On this episode of The Dark Side Of, Ryan Reynolds sits down with Mark Robert and Eric Hundley to discuss the conspiracy theories surrounding the assassination of President John F. Kennedy in Dallas, Texas on November 22, 1963.
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00:01:28.840About 80,000 new JFK files got released.
00:01:32.400And not very many people have been able to go through every single one of these documents,
00:01:37.060but many other documents have been released before.
00:01:39.660And there are certainly many individuals who have been tracking the story for quite a long time.
00:01:42.940So what better opportunity than now to actually sit down and break down this conversation over the JFK assassination?
00:01:51.580And I got to tell you guys, it goes way beyond this because when you get into conversations about whether it's the mob or the CIA or whatever's going on,
00:01:59.400you get into conversations about the liberal economic order.
00:02:01.920You get into conversations about the Council on Foreign Relations, the Atlantic Council.
00:06:00.040For many years, there are folders on the National Archives website for every year, going back to the Assassination Records Review Board, coming out with folders of that year.
00:07:39.340And now, like, I'm working with one person right now that's scraping all the documents to get it into a searchable AI.
00:07:47.340Problem is, as Mark is pointing out, you have to know what you're looking for, and also the AI has to report back what the actual document is.
00:07:54.600So, if you say, Lee Harvey Oswald, Ruth Payne, or something like that, then you have to say, okay, it's in these documents, and then link to the said documents so you can verify what the actual reference is.
00:08:06.160Otherwise, you get hallucinations, you get problems with AI.
00:08:34.620You have to physically go look at the document and go, okay, that word is actually this, because the OCR can get screwed up.
00:08:41.620One of the techniques they used back in the day, Tim, was to photostat documents over and over again, to blur them intentionally, and then turn them over to the people requesting them.
00:10:02.140The CIA had their own propaganda program against Cuba.
00:10:05.280So, if we can—I think we need, like, a launching point.
00:10:08.040Can you give me the elevator pitch to what you believe happened with the JFK assassination?
00:10:12.260Yeah, I don't know if there's an elevator pitch, but the mastermind of the assassination, if you want to read a book by a guy named Philip Nelson, who just passed away,
00:10:21.440he wrote a book called LBJ Mastermind of the Assassination, and most people believe that LBJ was the mastermind of the assassination.
00:11:02.160Life magazine was about to come out with a cover story on November 22nd of the crimes that he had committed with a guy named Bobby Baker, who was his underling.
00:11:12.040And they had been linked to, in Maryland, actually, Ocean City, Maryland.
00:11:18.100They had a motel strip there where they brought in prostitutes and girls for congressmen to come to Ocean City.
00:11:25.960And they filmed them, and there was a lot of things going on in Ocean City, Maryland.
00:11:29.900But the bottom line was the attorney general of the United States at the time was feeding information to Life magazine, Time magazine, and Newsweek about LBJ's corruption.
00:12:28.840And if you think that the vice president of the United States can't go to jail, you're sadly mistaken, because a couple of years later, Spiro Agnew went to jail, who was Nixon's vice president.
00:12:41.120They were going to incarcerate LBJ, and RFK hated his guts and vice versa.
00:12:47.520This is one of the most legendary feuds in American politics.
00:12:51.400LBJ famously said on numerous occasions, I am going to cut his—
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00:18:09.940Now you've got a guy who is a multimillionaire playboy.
00:18:14.160I mean, the difference is so enormous, the extremes of this thing, who wants to make a deal with the Soviets to reduce the amount of nuclear missiles in the world
00:18:23.260while they want to launch an initial attack against the Soviets, he also pulls back air support for the Bay of Pigs invasion, making them lose their minds.
00:18:35.180They have a lot of motivation to kill him, Tim.
00:18:37.640And he famously rejected Operation Northwoods.
00:18:40.760He famously rejects Operation Northwoods, which is put forth by the Joint Chiefs of Staff to shoot down our own planes.
00:19:25.000So for those that are not familiar, and I'm going to go ahead and assume you all are, but maybe there's like five people who've never heard this.
00:19:37.060Yeah, it's a proposed false flag operation that originated within the U.S. Department of Defense and the United States government in 1962.
00:19:43.480The proposals called for CIA operatives to both stage and commit acts of terrorism against American military and civilian targets and then blame them on the Cuban government.
00:19:52.020Use this as a justification for war against Cuba.
00:19:55.300The possibilities detailed in the document included the remote control of civilian aircraft, which would be secretly repainted as U.S. Air Force planes.
00:20:01.460A fabricated shoot down of U.S. Air Force fighter jets off the coast of Cuba.
00:20:05.360The possible assassination of Cuban immigrants, sinking boats of Cuban refugees on the high seas, blowing up a U.S. ship, and orchestrating terrorism in U.S. cities.
00:20:14.820The proposals were rejected by President John F. Kennedy.
00:20:17.160How could this have gotten unclassified?
00:20:20.160Okay, a lot of things get unclassified because the people doing the declassification are plebs who just work in that department.
00:20:30.920When they created the FOIA Act, the reason it was a nightmare was because the bigwigs didn't want to have to go through every goddamn file that was in there.
00:20:41.880So they just redacted the shit out of stuff, and the underlings had to deal with the government agencies that were requesting the files.
00:20:49.920I just want to point out, as it pertains to Northwoods, this is the CIA and the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
00:20:58.560I mean, this is DOD, highest levels, proposing blowing up our own ships and planes and blaming foreign governments to get us into war.
00:21:06.300I'd also like to stress the Gulf of Tonkin incident, famously, was a false flag operation, and I think it was only in, what, like 2010, or it was only like 15, 20 years ago, they actually admitted it.
00:21:18.940So when I was younger, the conversation on the Gulf of Tonkin was considered conspiracy theory and you were nuts, and then at some point it was like, no, actually, yeah, we faked it.
00:21:34.660I mean, JFK signs National Security Action Memo 263 in November of 1963, and that's for the reduction of the amount of troops that were already in Vietnam.
00:21:45.360Once he's assassinated, while he's lying in state in the rotunda downstairs, LBJ signs National Security Action Memo 273 and says to the generals in front of him, you want your war, here's your effing war.
00:22:01.080And he gives them Southeast Asia as a proxy war, as a booby prize.
00:22:05.980They wanted to go to war with the Soviet Union.
00:22:08.640They wanted to use Oswald as a patsy, not to frame an innocent man.
00:22:14.060The framing of Oswald is because he had worked for us as a defector.
00:22:19.380They wanted to entrap the Soviets and launch a thermonuclear war against the Soviets and blame them for the assassination of John F. Kennedy.
00:22:52.360Well, keep in mind that the church committee in 1977 did hold them accountable, and there was quite a bit of pushback, and they were back on their heels.
00:23:22.860Richard Helms, the director of the CIA, was found guilty of perjury, and he was convicted of perjury for lying to the congressional committee.
00:23:34.240Well, I think what we've seen over the past several years, not to jump too far into the future with Trump, I'll tell you one of the craziest things I've seen in my lifetime.
00:23:43.580When Eric Chiaramella blew the whistle, quote-unquote, against Donald Trump in his first term, alleging that he made untoward or illegal actions pertaining to Ukraine, if you went on YouTube or Facebook and said the name of a CIA operative, Eric Chiaramella, YouTube would delete your video.
00:24:25.020Now, you tell me, under what rule structure or community guidelines were they deleting the name of a guy who works in the public sector for the American people who was the subject of massive public scrutiny?
00:24:42.660Well, Arthur Kroc, who is the editorial director of the New York Times, famously wrote three weeks before the assassination of JFK that if a military coup happens in this country, it's going to come from the CIA.
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00:26:08.060The more we choose to stand up as our most flag-flying, maple-y-flying, local-adventuring selves,
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00:26:27.060Also, in the Washington Post, right after the assassination, Harry Truman wrote an editorial saying that he made a mistake by creating the CIA and militarizing it.
00:26:39.100That was really the problem, was the militarizing of the CIA.
00:26:42.260Even Obama, when they were taking down bin Laden, Tim, the CIA had a plan to militarily take down and kill bin Laden,
00:26:51.420and Obama pulled the plug on it and went with the Navy SEALs.