00:25:26.160oh you know he is black bro probably don't even have a debit card only an ebt card why would you
00:25:31.340go anywhere and not expect to make money exactly bro dude's stupid and like i said before i've
00:25:35.460already went in the red for these college campus things bro like i went red uh the past two years
00:25:40.860i've been doing it or two seasons i've been doing it i've already went red this shit doesn't make
00:25:44.600me money i only lose money by doing it but i do it because it's that goddamn important for you guys
00:25:48.660so you guys can see this shit because bro um i think you guys really enjoy seeing me outside
00:25:53.380of the studio um and debating dumb ass miami bimbos and um you know it kind of proves my
00:25:59.200point when i go and i do these debates at college campuses because then you guys see like oh shit
00:26:03.080like college students are retarded too yeah i've been trying to tell you guys this like
00:26:07.440you know women that are educated aren't that much better dude they're really not they're just as
00:26:13.820dumb so um you know sometimes people need to really see this shit with their own eyes when i
00:26:20.280tell you guys yo you know here's the reality about women it's one thing for me to tell you guys this
00:26:25.680is the reality it's another thing for you guys to watch after hours and see them actually confirm
00:26:29.060what i tell you guys every fucking day right and i think that's what took us um you know to the next
00:26:35.700level because a lot of these red pill guys all they did was sit there and talk shit to a camera
00:26:40.280all day and you know they didn't necessarily like apply the theory real time um live right
00:26:50.240So what we did, what we fucking pioneered was we're going to bring women in and let you guys see the stupidity for yourselves, which woke a lot of people up, you know, and red-pilled a lot of you guys.
00:27:48.060Like, these niggas really think that there's a difference between, like, some Miami bimbo or some bimbo that's at ASU.
00:27:51.820The only difference between the Miami bimbo and the girl at ASU is, like, the girl at ASU can probably articulate her stupidity a little bit better.
01:17:02.820I'm just keeping it real for the real niggas, bro, because, you know, a lot of us think this way.
01:17:06.420It's just that we can't say it out loud because, you know, we live in a crazy era now where, like, you know, it's totally OK to kill conservatives because Democrats are being fucking are fucking nuts.
01:21:01.080Watching. The FBI had already been tracking the stolen funds, and they quickly connected the dots between Malone's spending and the missing bitcoins.
01:59:36.120I've not been able to catch a live in a while.
01:59:37.980I needed to stop being a broke loser and eventually pay you back and pay it forward for all the value and endless advice you have given me since my divorce in 2022.
01:59:47.680I now make over six figures and just had a baby girl and my girlfriend.
01:59:50.720Best believe I got them in the program watching the fear.
02:41:14.180him on the phone marion um this dirt case it i think we're at almost like day 14 like um day 12
02:41:22.300if you don't count the uh the uh jury selection but uh it's out to the jury now and i'm wondering
02:41:30.140what do you think about the whole case you've discussed this uh you know on our stream where
02:41:36.060we talked about the indictment we talked about how the probably the the the investigation process
02:41:41.860went well this is far beyond that now we've seen federal agents testify we've seen evidence we've
02:41:47.160seen three cooperators there was many conversations about possible wiretaps and you know reddit had
02:41:53.260like oh jam is wearing a wire that was not true yeah but we we we've seen all the evidence they
02:42:00.260had mostly based on these cooperators but they have financial records that corroborate certain
02:42:04.960stuff text messages songs that might insinuate certain stuff i wonder how you feel about this
02:42:10.480case as a former federal agent do you think that you know um the agents uh had a strong case uh do
02:42:18.480you think that they gave the ausa a strong case or do you think that you know the ausa had to kind
02:42:24.000of make a lot of maybe nothing what's your thoughts on the whole thing um no man i mean it's it's a
02:42:29.360very strong case you know feds don't normally come for you unless they're certain that they're going
02:42:33.000to win you know i remember when i used to present a case right when i would give my it's called a
02:42:37.580grand jury packet, right? When you have your evidence and you're ready to indict, um, most
02:42:41.100AUSAs bro, aren't going to even go to grand jury unless they feel like they can win in a trial.
02:42:45.240So when I would, you know, give my grand jury packet with all my evidence, you know, so that
02:42:49.360we can go to grand jury so the AUSA can indict the case, like you're giving them a lot of the times,
02:42:54.320um, stuff ready to go for trial. So like by the time, if someone did decide they want to go to
02:42:58.920trial, um, there wasn't much that you had to give them after that. I mean, you, you know,
02:43:02.640refine some things here and there, you know, you get them the official official of things so that
02:43:06.400You can make sure that you can actually use it for trial.
02:43:08.180But for the most part, by the time you go to grand jury and you're indicted in the case, you're ready to go to trial at that point.
02:43:13.940And that's one of the things about the feds is like, you know, with us, you know, you're buttoning up the case really tightly because most attorneys offices have like high prosecution success rates and they don't want to go below 95%.
02:43:26.320So, you know, if you're talking about like a Southern District of New York or, you know, L.A., the L.A., AUSA's office, United States Attorney's office over in L.A., these are big offices that have a lot of AUSAs and they have the power and the resources and the agents and the power and, you know, the time to go ahead and, you know, really make the case airtight.
02:43:44.400So in this case, right, I know that they, you know, the defense has really been attacking the credibility of OTF Jam and OTF Vani, saying that they're liars, they're gang members, you know, they're the only reason why they're even here testifying is because they're getting a deal.
02:43:58.400These guys can't be trusted or whatever. And, you know, this is, you know, one of the things with the feds is, you know, and I remember this vividly when I would talk to AUSAs for like my drug conspiracy cases, they would always say, look, we can't indict on the testimony of a crook.
02:44:11.920We need physical evidence to corroborate the testimony of the crook, because the thing is, when you have a witness that's not credible, like an OTF Viney or an OTF Jam, who's like, you know, admitted murderer.
02:44:22.120Well, though they're horrible witnesses. Right. If you can take physical evidence to corroborate what they're saying, well, now you've kind of you've validated what they've said.
02:44:32.380So anytime you have witnesses like this that are criminals, that are involved in a conspiracy, that have an incentive to cooperate for leniency, you have to pair it up with physical evidence.
02:44:41.920Now, as far as, like, the wire or whatever, I knew that they more than likely weren't going to get a T3 on this.
02:44:46.120Contrary to popular belief, it's actually really hard to get a Title III intercept on phones.
02:44:52.420Also, also, so they said Dirk had, like, 27 numbers in three years.
02:44:58.620You know, not to kind of instruct some of the future criminals out there.
02:45:02.400does it make it difficult to keep up with a, uh, um, a wire, um, as a federal agent,
02:45:09.460if the subject keeps switching their numbers, like they keep going from number to number,
02:45:14.560you know? Um, shit. Okay. Um, I'm trying to think here what I can say to you. Uh,
02:45:21.440cause I've, I've done a, I've done a title three intercept before. So, um,
02:45:24.900okay uh i'll say this i'll say i'll say this i'll say this
02:45:32.660changing changing your number and changing your phone um can create some issues but there's ways
02:45:39.900around that i'll say that that you can that you can still do what you got to do um but yes it
02:45:45.780could be it could be problematic for the the affian and the agent but uh but there's ways
02:45:51.100around that for sure um to continue doing the title three intercept i'll say that
02:45:55.780okay so so there was no um wire here it it appears at least in the government's case
02:46:06.240and you know you've done many cases in it and you know obviously really maybe something might be
02:46:13.280something of interest or someone's a person of interest or there's a crime that got committed
02:46:17.040but i'm guessing there's usually certain at a point where it's like you know this thing just
02:46:21.520got really kicked off and it appears that the government has admitted that you know of course
02:46:26.600they were looking into things but this thing really got kicked off by otf jam who gets caught
02:46:32.320with a gun yeah and he literally slides a note to the agents and says hey i know about bodies now
02:46:39.920we had city national here who's in court and he said listen i'm gonna be honest with you
02:46:45.540And actually, not only said it, Nash, who else do we have?
02:46:50.420It's not only said that someone else said that doesn't sound accurate.
02:46:54.040It doesn't sound like there's a bunch of people getting caught for a gun and then admitting to bodies.
02:46:59.320That doesn't make sense. Maybe the feds, you know, that's a roundabout way of the feds, you know, trying to act like jam came to them.
02:47:06.780But in reality, they put him in a jam, all pun intended. Does that sound normal?
02:47:13.480So I could tell you why I could I could give you a couple of scenarios of why I think he probably cooperated.
02:47:18.000So, like, getting caught with a gun, right, by the state isn't that bad.
02:47:22.740But getting caught by the feds with a gun as a convicted felon is really bad, especially with his rap sheet.
02:47:27.360So that would have been an easy, you know, 18 UFC 922 G charge because obviously he's a felon, probably smokes weed and does drugs and stuff like that.
02:47:36.000So with his rap sheet, bro, and getting caught with a firearm, that would have been an easy Fed charge on him.
02:47:40.880And he would and he do like, you know, some very serious time based on his criminal history.
02:47:44.280Hold on. And I want you to react to all this because I'm even in the thought that I think not only the like the fans in terms of the agents, I definitely think the AUSAs are playing some games.
02:47:55.100So real quick, some stupid nigga in your chest said really bad is five years fed.
02:47:58.500Yeah, you're a fucking retard because when you have a criminal history that or your career criminal like OTF Jam Hat is, they can significantly increase your your time.
02:48:08.000This is why niggas in chat are stupid as fuck, like this idiot.
02:48:10.140No offense, but your guy in your chat's an idiot.
02:48:59.180Because that's what—what I'm arguing is that, like—and I'm not even arguing.
02:49:03.000I mean, like what I'm saying is that I think like something they could have held over his head to get him to cooperate, because I'm trying to because you're I agree with you.
02:49:09.420You have a good point. Hey, why the hell would he cooperate just by getting caught with a gun?
02:49:12.640Like that doesn't make sense. Like snitch on OTF, snitch on Dirk, you know, implicate himself in a murder for hire.
02:49:17.440Why would he do that? What I'm saying is I think the feds came to him and said, look, buddy, we got you with a gun.
02:49:23.120You are a multiple time convicted felon. You're going to go to the feds.
02:49:26.700You're going to do 80 percent of your time, 90 percent of your time.
02:49:29.060You're going to go to a USP off rip because you have a violent criminal history.
02:49:31.900You're not going to go to a low or a medium, and you're going to do a significant amount of time, and you're not going to get parole, right?
02:49:37.280And you're going to get all kinds of extra points on this.
02:49:40.620I think that's what made him really realize, like, or maybe in the back of his mind he knew this, that if he didn't cooperate, he would get cooked on the federal charges with the gun.
02:55:10.940How do you detail the contents of that interview or, you know, I mean, the information that is being divulged, especially if it's not recorded.
02:55:19.220And if maybe they say no video, wouldn't you just go to audio?
02:55:25.700No, because what will happen is, especially guys, this happened all the time when I would interview gang members, by the way.
02:58:57.560okay that's our plug okay what does he do okay he brings in the drugs from blah blah blah or he
02:59:01.800buys it from the mexicans down south and he brings it in so like whenever you're dealing with like
02:59:05.920big organizations like this where you have people in different ranks and different duties and
02:59:08.720everything else like that a debrief man can easily go one two three hours because you're getting you
02:59:14.080know all the details of every single person um and what they do what their duties are etc and that's
02:59:19.280how you're able to build a gang investigation because then you're able to figure out the
02:59:21.940hierarchy you're able to figure out who does what who's responsible for what and then it allows you
02:59:26.200to kind of like properly target the organization based on kind of where you stand. So like,
02:59:29.520if I want to do a wiretap, right, I'm going to want to go ahead and, uh, get someone kind of
02:59:34.200in the middle or someone that's as close to the, as to the top as I can so that I can kind of get,
02:59:38.380you know, closer to the, to the main guy. So these debriefings, bro, a lot of the times are
02:59:43.680like, you know, super important when it comes to like intelligence gathering, how gang structures
02:59:48.540work, duties, all that other stuff. So that's what, um, more than likely happened with a lot
02:59:53.240of these debriefings with this guy was him giving you know deep insight into the gang the shootings
02:59:58.980their inner workings and someone like him is gonna know you know because like i'm sure he probably
03:00:03.880had an enormous amount of intelligence on the gds as well because he was beefing with them so he's
03:00:07.720gonna know who the shooters are who did what who shot who who did you know who sells the drugs who
03:00:12.860funds them you know where they get their guns from hey how do you make those how do you make
03:00:16.740those okay so all right so someone just gave me some info apparently he was collared by cpd which
03:00:22.940the chicago police department okay you collar him obviously maybe you know obviously there was
03:00:28.580current investigations by the feds in chicago they probably like either came in or whatever or
03:00:33.540once he said i know about some murders how do you work with other agencies let's say you're the feds
03:00:39.080out of chicago right then you're out of illinois how do you kind of connect with maybe the feds out
03:00:45.320of uh california to be like oh okay maybe he's down maybe he did a crime there like is that
03:00:52.500something where you kind of like just put out there like hey we have this guy that might blah
03:00:57.660blah blah or you know you kind of just like feed off of what he's telling you or what whatever
03:01:02.340whatever i'm wondering how all the feds link up with this sure guy because a lot no no no no that's
03:01:08.060a really good question because people ask this question all the time like hey how the hell do
03:01:10.840we know if you're even under investigation from another agency so different states have something
03:01:15.460called deconfliction right and typically like um like in texas for example they had like a
03:01:20.300deconfliction center where, you know, you would take your main target, you put them in there.
03:01:24.120And then if anyone else searches that individual, you're going to get a, you're going to get like
03:01:28.300a notification. And then, um, the other person, right. You'll put in there, like, you know,
03:01:33.280you're looking at them, which agency you're from. You can look, you can specify what crime you're
03:01:36.600looking at them for, blah, blah, blah. And then what ends up happening is, uh, when another person
03:01:40.920searches that guy through that same database, it's going to notify you. And it's going to notify him
03:01:45.220that you're looking at him as well. And then what you're supposed to do is call that guy and, you
03:01:49.420know kind of figure out what the deal is right so um you know i had a an ocf case back in the day
03:01:53.540uh which stands for organized crime drug enforcement task force right this was like a big
03:01:56.940thing back in the day now they just replaced it with um you know human uh homeland security
03:02:01.620task forces they replaced with hstf but same thing and what you would do is like if i was
03:02:06.540looking at someone for like drug trafficking i had a meth case back in the day and there was
03:02:09.000this guy that was like a source of supply with very pure crystal methamphetamine out of south
03:02:13.820texas and i put his stuff in there and then i get like a hit from somebody from dps then i get a
03:02:18.440hit from someone DEA. Now, what you could do is be like, okay, you know, I'm not going to work
03:02:22.260with these guys. I'm going to run my own case, but that could create problems because if you're
03:02:25.120going to try to do an operation or anything else like that, you need to know who else is like
03:02:28.600working this actively or how far along they are in their investigation. So I always called them,
03:02:32.620I always reached out, told them, Hey man, this is what we're looking at them for. You know,
03:02:35.600we can have a meeting, right. And kind of figure out where to go from here. And most of the time,
03:02:39.680if you're polite about it, whatever, you know, they'll have a meeting with you. And then you'll
03:02:42.640just, you know, whether if it's DEA, an FBI guy, whatever, you just figure out where y'all can
03:02:46.560meet whether you go to their office they come to yours um you come in with your stuff they come in
03:02:50.280with theirs and you know this is where the politics come in where it's like you know you can be a
03:02:54.160dickhead and be like most fbi just not want to share information or you can kind of go in there
03:02:58.140and be like look this is what we're working bro we want to bring you in we've done expended these
03:03:01.400types of source and these types of resources we've done a couple buys we have an informant blah blah
03:03:06.140blah and then typically whoever comes in with more investment and you know more stake or more skin in
03:03:10.520the game typically will kind of win that battle and i would always be the one that would have
03:03:14.260the source. So I'd be like, you know what, bro, I got an informant already, blah, blah. I'm already
03:03:16.600kind of ahead here. Just come on the case. We'll put you on the OCDF. We'll write you in. It'll be
03:03:21.940good for your office, blah, blah. Here's OCDF case number. And then they just come in and, you know,
03:03:25.100they get to stat and everything else like that. So that's kind of how you figure things out when
03:03:29.480you're looking at someone like that with these deconfliction centers. Okay. So now you get
03:03:36.440someone like jam he's basically broke down the all the all the you know facets of the case
03:03:43.900he tells you he has three bodies yeah start promise because now he's looking it's deal or
03:03:52.020no deal he's like hey listen you know i i did a lot of fucked up shit i'm here to help you i could
03:04:00.000get you maybe some people you need but i need some promises i need some promises that you know
03:04:06.420i'm gonna have a date which means i'm not getting life from prison um what could you offer me and
03:04:14.040they start putting things on the table for example hey i know about multiple bodies unsolved murders
03:04:20.060and he's saying it to you basically saying come at me with the deal and we could deal
03:04:28.840now given that there's the feds we know how the feds move it's usually not okay here's the deal
03:04:34.540on some why so what he should take the deal and then we'll get the info after how do you barter
03:04:40.940in that situation a guy says hey listen i know about three bodies they're unsolved murders
03:04:45.000but i need to know if i admit to these i could probably get you the other co-conspirators the
03:04:51.180other people i did the murders with but i have to know i'm gonna get out of jail at some point
03:04:56.480what do you offer them or what do you do at that point okay so that's a really fantastic question
03:05:01.640I'm going to take you step by step how I because I actually did this before where someone was like they had information on like on murders and stuff like that.
03:05:08.740I wanted to and he wanted to help me on a case that was kind of unrelated.
03:05:11.320So this is exactly what I did step by step.
03:05:13.380So they teach you this in every every single law enforcement agency.
03:05:16.440They tell you, you know, they teach you this.
03:08:14.980So like, it really depends on relationships and who, you know, and what the charges, but going back to jam situation in that situation, obviously they can't make promises, but they can call the USA and be like, look, we're going to call the USA so we can make happen, et cetera, et cetera. And then, you know, maybe you do a 5k debrief or you do, you know, a safety valve or one of these like debriefs, one of these debriefs where they're able to kind of like, or they call it a queen for a day or king for a day where they can kind of come in and give their information without it being used against them.
03:08:40.360there's different ways to go around it but like as far as like tangible like i can get you this
03:08:44.540you really can't promise that as an agent that really comes down to the a usa um and they're
03:08:48.520the ones that really can like make things happen because at the fed level bro like feds don't have
03:08:52.460that much motion to make things happen like the state does the state has state law enforcement
03:08:56.380has way more power to and way more discretion to do shit like that than the feds do the feds you
03:09:01.100you're at the mercy of the usa's office uh i want to ask you a very important question this is a
03:09:07.120question that i think a lot of people have been um wondering about so there's a few people that um
03:09:13.160they've been mentioned frequently in the trial but they're on they're they're well they're named
03:09:19.980but they're uncharged like for example there is duty low supposedly he gave the low the location
03:09:26.940there's boonie mo supposedly he recruited one of the shooters um jason smith apparently he
03:09:34.080He booked the flights for the shooters to San Diego.
03:09:53.240And not only that, he's in the message with Derek.
03:09:56.160He's sending videos or pictures of Kondo crying after the murder.
03:10:02.520it seemed like he kind of maybe knew about the plot he's booking flights
03:10:07.440these people are uncharged they don't come up as witnesses they don't come up as you know they
03:10:14.440were mentioned as co-conspirators initially but they're not charged why would that be the case
03:10:19.680like for example duty low his name is all be mentioned in court he's outside doing backflips
03:10:24.540you know he's you know he he's turning into a jungle gym outside the court yeah um he seems
03:10:31.220pretty confident that there is no charges coming why would charges not arise for someone who
03:10:39.540allegedly is on text messages you know getting the location for someone who eventually died
03:10:46.740um passing the location on also according to one of the the um cooperators they said when they were
03:10:54.340clueless about why they were in los angeles they said doozy low called them and said hey you're
03:11:00.100are here to do a murder why would these people not be charged that that's what we're all kind
03:11:05.540of like yeah um it could be a combination of things it can be you know they simply don't
03:11:10.040have enough evidence uh it could be they're not worth you know you know trying to also wrap into
03:11:15.000the indictment and prove guilty obviously right their hands are going to be full because there
03:11:18.580came in with you know a very competent defense team it could be um maybe they cooperated or
03:11:24.160they're not worth the time or or they just don't have enough evidence on those individuals
03:11:27.860specifically, uh, besides, you know, them potentially, you know, being involved with
03:11:32.160some text messages or whatever, those can all be reasons why.
03:11:37.200Interesting. Interesting. Uh, well, a follow-up question to that. Yeah.
03:11:42.140Would it, you know, um, with the fact that they're not charged, would that mean they're
03:11:47.780in the clear since the trial essentially has gotten all the way to this point? Um, you know,
03:11:52.880Dirk does have a subsequent trial, but, you know, if they haven't been named in any action or any indictment so far, would these individuals, you know, potentially be, I won't say like, you know, super clear, but would it be right if they are comfortable with knowing that, hey, listen, you know what, the fans are not trying to get me?
03:12:19.020Yeah, I mean, they definitely, unless they made some kind of agreement where they came in maybe under a 5K proper, where they said, you know what, we'll cooperate. Who knows? We don't know because we don't have access to Dirk's discovery. It might be where they cooperate under a 5K. And they said, hey, I'll give you all the information so you can build a case on these other guys. Or if they didn't cooperate, the government still reserves the right to indict them at any time. And with something like murder for hire, there's probably no statute of limitations. So they're not off the hook if they didn't cooperate from the government up front.
03:12:49.020wow okay but i'm gonna assume they cooperated you know for them to not be charged i'm gonna
03:12:56.620assume they cooperated to some degree or maybe got a 5k or something yeah uh yeah that would
03:13:03.260be interesting if do you cooperate you know obviously he's one of the biggest supporters
03:13:07.020of dirk uh let me ask you this question so everyone's making their predictions uh i'm pretty
03:13:12.620sure you probably heard a little bit about uh how the government's case was against dirk and their
03:13:17.880responses you know we kind of focused on the the openings and the closings it kind of like
03:13:22.240drove home the narratives obviously there was three cooperators um there was some text you
03:13:27.660could read either way the the the agents kind of you know built this case but if you look at this
03:13:34.220stepping back it's now in the hands of the jury and i know like usually you're in the agent
03:13:40.740you know position where you know you just showed up and doing your job but
03:13:43.860do you think that this was a strong case that they brought against Dirk um and what do you think
03:13:54.840you know if you were an agent like you know for example there was agent Cody Berg and there was
03:13:59.340another agent who testified would you feel like hey listen you know what we've done our job and
03:14:04.640this is enough to get like a conviction what's usually an agent thinking after they get off the
03:14:08.520in yeah um you know whenever you go to trial this is why going to trial is so tough bro um i remember
03:14:14.960i went to trial in a case and most agents to be honest with you bro most agents do not go to trial
03:14:18.500on their cases it's it's not common to go to trial especially with the fed so um you know no one wants
03:14:24.500to go to trial because you can always lose you can you know on cross-examination they can make
03:14:28.480you look like an idiot there's always a risk of potentially you know sloppy things coming in that
03:14:32.980can mess you up as an agent so no one ever really wants to go to trial because that's like when all
03:14:37.120the marbles on a table so you know and the other thing too is like you can have all this evidence
03:14:41.800in the chart the jury can still feel unconvinced and say you know what bro you know what we don't
03:14:45.260think it's beyond a reasonable doubt we have we have we have a little bit of reasonable doubt here
03:14:48.040you guys you know we're 90 percent of the way there but we don't think it's enough so it's
03:14:51.920always a gamble when you go to trial and then with a case like this where you have a you know
03:14:55.720a prominent music figure that has a lot of fans a lot of supporters um you know he has a a really
03:15:00.420good defense team i i know brian steel you know did a fantastic job on you know cross-examining
03:15:05.240otf jam really hurt his credibility same with otf vonny uh you know kind of showing how much
03:15:10.640scumbags they are etc and really highlighting that to the jury uh it's a toss-up man it's a
03:15:16.140toss-up i think it's a strong case in general obviously but you know given the fact that you
03:15:20.280know we have a defendant here that has the resources to actually put a competent legal
03:15:24.200team together who knows what the jury is going to be man what they're going to say because jury
03:15:27.780You know, jury trials are always a risk.
03:16:03.560Like, the fact that they didn't come back within hours,
03:16:05.880that means that the feds do not have –
03:16:07.920the trial was not, like, as airtight as it could have been
03:16:11.380if they didn't come back immediately with a guilty verdict.
03:16:13.960So that's good for the defense, the fact that, like, it's taken, you know, a full day,
03:16:17.860which means they obviously have questions and concerns,
03:16:20.720and, you know, they need more time to deliberate.
03:16:22.420The faster the verdict, the worse it is for the defense.
03:16:25.220oh you think so wow yeah because because if they come back with a fast verdict bro you're nine out
03:16:31.560of ten times you're guilty so the more time that goes the the better it is for the defense because
03:16:37.000that means that they're fighting and arguing in there like oh no he's not guilty no he is guilty
03:16:41.100i have reasonable doubt on this i have reasonable doubt on that so the you know the more time that
03:16:45.040elapses uh the better it is for the defense for sure wow that's that's interesting yeah yeah so
03:16:52.920So whenever they're requesting like documents or we need more time or whatever, that means that they're they're in there bickering with each other.
03:17:00.760OK, which of the charges you think is the most difficult?
03:17:04.540I feel like when it comes to defense, you know, the conspiracy charges are always the let me pull up the indictment real quick.
03:17:12.780Do you have it in front of you or because they've done like a million different.
03:17:16.900They've done a million different supersedings for this trial, for this case.
03:17:20.520yeah they've turned it into five charges um i'm pretty sure you can probably find it yeah i'm
03:17:28.240looking it up right now because they've they've done multiple superseding indictments on this
03:17:32.100um because obviously getting ready because they knew they were going to go to trial so they had
03:17:35.360to clean it up several different times um but sorry go ahead go i'm listening so i'm kind of
03:17:43.760you know in terms of the feds and like you know an agent which charges are the ones that you're
03:17:49.540like you know what okay this might be tough to get him on even though it might technically uh
03:17:55.460qualify to be charged with that but what are the catch-all charges i feel like conspiracy
03:18:00.940that's what it is because you know it's a very lax way of you know there's many different
03:18:06.820interpretation it doesn't require you to do every single overacted you know but from from an agent
03:18:13.120perspective in when you're assigning charges or that probably has to do a lot with a usa
03:18:17.720But when you're thinking about what somebody might be charged with, how do you kind of rationale the potential charges that you would suggest, obviously, for the AUSA to adopt and, you know, essentially file?
03:18:29.620Yeah. Conspiracy is like the catch all one, man. You know, 18 USC 371, man.
03:18:33.960I had that burned in my brain because it's like that's like the catch all charge, because all you really need is, you know, two or more people and an overt act or two overt acts or whatever, maybe for the conspiracy.
03:18:45.380Right. So, like, let's say, you know, me and you rob a bank. Right. And we're planning to rob a bank and they catch us before we rob the bank.
03:18:52.300But they have you on video buying the gloves. They have me on video getting the guns or whatever.
03:18:55.940And they stop us beforehand. They got us for conspiracy dead to rights because we did we conducted over at X in furtherance of the conspiracy of robbing the bank.
03:19:03.180So even though we didn't rob the bank, they caught us, you know, in the in the process of doing it.
03:19:08.400It's more two or more people. And then we took over at X to make the crime happen.
03:29:43.700The thing that the jury is probably going to be deliberating on the most is that murder for hire because that's what's going to put him away for life.
03:44:56.460Yeah. Obviously, I can see like there's some niggas in academics chat that like just hate me because they're fucking retarded.
03:45:02.740But, hey, it is what it is, man. You know, you can't you can't really, you know, niggas are going to be mad.
03:45:08.360Oh, this nigga is a racist. So let me just cry and be mad, even though he's giving me information that no one else can provide to me.
03:45:14.020Oh, oh, no. But yeah, this is really the big one right here, bro.
03:45:18.480This murder for hire one, bro, is if he gets convicted of this, it's over, bro.
03:45:22.200That one is the death sentence right there, man.
03:45:25.180So, but yeah, I know I have to come back and look at the indictment, guys, because they literally, what's it called?
03:45:45.960Did several of these superseding indictments.
03:45:48.000They did, I think, like three or four of them, right?
03:45:50.340And then they added Dirk to the end of it later.
03:45:52.640It's also important that you guys realize that, like, they had to add Dirk to it at the end and rush their case because Dirk was trying to flee.
03:45:58.620That's something else I forgot to say.
03:46:00.600Like, the reason why Grant is at the top of the indictment is because they brought Dirk in later into the conspiracy because he was trying to flee the United States.
03:46:08.220So that's a right of criminal complaint to go get him, if you guys remember.
03:46:11.060That's why Dirk wasn't the main guy on the thing.
03:46:14.700But Dirk is the main guy who they're going for, typically.