The Debrief With MyronGainesX - MOST Wanted： Osama Bin Laden. How The CIA Found Him!

00:00:00.280 And we are live. What's up, guys? Welcome to Fed It. Today, we're going to be going over the Osama bin Laden manhunt that the CIA conducted for almost 20 years.

00:00:08.100 This will be a good one, guys. Let's get into it.

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00:01:51.140 We're going to go over his past, the gang time, so that this all makes sense.

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00:02:01.940 And we're back.

00:02:02.460 What's up, guys?

00:02:02.880 Welcome to Fed It.

00:02:03.420 Today, we're going to be breaking down the Osama Bin Laden case and how they found him.

00:02:08.320 Namely, the CIA and the intelligence agencies.

00:02:10.580 So real quick, so that this all makes sense, guys.

00:02:12.820 This is part two of a multi-part series, okay?

00:02:17.200 And what's going to happen here, guys, is I'm going to have to, the whole 9-11 situation,

00:02:21.580 I'm going to have to break down systematically.

00:02:24.160 So for you guys to get the full scope of this, I need you guys to, well, check this out.

00:02:27.700 I just dropped the, you know, John Gacy, Killer Clown, Serial Killer episode earlier today.

00:02:32.060 And right now, it's 5.37 in the morning, Eastern Standard Time, guys.

00:02:35.280 So we're doing the doubleheader.

00:02:36.360 But you're going to have to see this episode right here on 9-11, okay?

00:02:39.880 Basically, in this episode, guys, I got all the time standing there, and basically, I go over how the FBI, well, the 9-11 attacks, how they occurred,

00:02:50.120 and then how the FBI was able to systematically do their investigation and identify al-Qaeda as the perpetrators.

00:02:56.520 Now, with that said, guys, they were able to link the attacks back to, ultimately, to Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda.

00:03:04.480 But if you guys understand the full story of how they were able to actually conduct these attacks,

00:03:08.800 we're going to have to go into the man himself, bin Laden, and get his background information.

00:03:14.040 So I have a documentary here called Manhunt, okay?

00:03:17.520 And I also have Osama bin Laden and the Rise and Fall.

00:03:20.100 So we're going to watch this first so that you guys get a better idea because a lot of people don't really know the background on Osama bin Laden.

00:03:27.620 You know, he's an educated guy, came from a very wealthy family, multimillionaire.

00:03:31.320 A lot of people don't know this.

00:03:32.840 So for you guys to truly understand how he turned from a freedom fighter into the world's largest terrorist at one time,

00:03:41.600 the most wanted man in the world, we're going to have to go back in time, okay, and know the man's origin.

00:03:50.400 So let's start with the documentary on him, okay?

00:03:53.420 And, of course, they put this little thing as, oh, inappropriate, offensive to some audiences.

00:03:57.400 Anything that has to do with 9-11 or bin Laden, guys, they almost always either age restrict shit or, you know, limit the monetization.

00:04:04.880 It kind of sucks.

00:04:06.020 But anyway, let's get right into it.

00:04:11.600 So first, we're going to start with his family.

00:04:19.080 Now, we're not going to play this entire documentary, guys, but we are going to play a good portion of it so you guys understand how bin Laden rose to become the most wanted terrorist in the world.

00:04:34.240 The bin Laden lineage originated in Hadram out in Yemen, a harsh, arid place where even today's citizens live in poverty.

00:04:41.600 So he's originally from Yemen.

00:04:45.400 Bin Laden's family.

00:04:47.080 Ancestral village is Al-Rabat in the Wadi Dawan Valley, where bin Laden's street can still be found, along with a crumbling bin Laden mansion.

00:04:54.940 To this day, distant cousins of the bin Ladins still live in the area, eking out the most basic living.

00:05:02.840 In the 1930s, Osama bin Laden's father, Muhammad, and his brother, Abdullah, left Al-Rabat to seek a better life in Saudi Arabia.

00:05:12.360 Their timing was perfect, as the oil reserves in the Saudi desert were starting to be discovered in commercial quantities by the Americans.

00:05:18.920 Oh, that oil money coming.

00:05:22.760 After initially finding work as a porter in Jeddah, Muhammad, a skilled bricklayer, formed a prosperous construction company and worked on projects for Abdul Aziz ibn Saud, the first king of Saudi Arabia.

00:05:36.780 Muhammad's shrewd business sense and hard work contributed to his business's phenomenal success, and his family became known as the wealthiest non-royal family in the kingdom.

00:05:45.100 Now, that's huge, guys. They're basically right there with the Saudi princes and kings and, you know, the Saudi royalty.

00:05:54.940 And just so y'all know, his father became a billionaire, guys, okay?

00:05:58.980 So, a billion dollars back then? I mean, hell, we can do the math.

00:06:03.380 I'll pull out my inflation calculator here in a second.

00:06:05.940 Close links to the Saudi royal family. In short, he was never short of huge projects to work on.

00:06:10.820 In total, Muhammad had 11 wives and fathered 52 children.

00:06:16.000 Holy goddamn!

00:06:17.300 Oh, shit! Oh, shit!

00:06:18.040 He was smashing all kinds of chicks.

00:06:20.320 I've always said it, man. Men with status and money have always had all the women, man. Hypergamy is real.

00:06:25.500 However, the only one known to the wider world is his 18th child, Osama bin Muhammad bin Awad bin Laden.

00:06:32.920 Osama was born on the 15th...

00:06:34.320 Yes, guys, that is his actual full name.

00:06:37.300 18th child, Osama bin Muhammad bin Awad.

00:06:41.140 You know what's kind of funny?

00:06:43.120 Yeah, this is my middle name right here, Awad, so hilarious stuff.

00:06:48.000 But yeah, Osama bin Muhammad bin Awad bin Laden.

00:06:52.080 Yeah, guys, I had a super long last name like that too, Arab last name,

00:06:55.540 and I had to actually get it legally shortened, which is kind of funny.

00:06:58.320 But yeah, there's a young Osama right there, guys, with the stash.

00:07:03.100 ...bin Laden. Osama was born on the 15th of February, 1957, to Muhammad's 11th and last wife, Aliyah Ghanim.

00:07:12.480 Aliyah was just 14 years old when she met 50-year-old Muhammad during his visit to the...

00:07:17.220 Goddamn! That's a huge age gap right there.

00:07:19.720 But, hey, man, this is very common in the Middle East, guys.

00:07:23.300 ...port city of Latakia in Syria.

00:07:25.140 Like the bin Laden family, Aliyah's family hailed from Yemen, but instead of setting in Saudi,

00:07:31.380 Aliyah's family became Syrian citizens and made their living as citrus farmers.

00:07:37.060 Unlike Muhammad, Aliyah was brought up as an Alawite, not a Sunni Muslim.

00:07:43.320 Alawi Muslims are a minority group who practice an esoteric form of Shia Islam.

00:07:47.580 However, that didn't seem to bother Muhammad, and he married Aliyah, and she moved with him to Saudi Arabia.

00:07:53.980 Less than a year after their marriage, Osama was born.

00:07:57.580 The marriage lasted until Osama was two years old when the couple divorced.

00:08:02.300 Aliyah later married Muhammad Al-Attas, who worked as a manager at the bin Laden construction company.

00:08:08.580 Attas brought up Osama as his own, and he and Aliyah went on to have three sons and a daughter together.

00:08:14.240 All right, so now we know who his mother is, who his father is, his father's, you know, wealth that he built from doing construction projects alongside the royal family and during the booming oil industry in the 30s.

00:08:38.100 Osama was extremely close to his mother, but had little interaction with his father.

00:08:41.920 He was raised along with his half-siblings as a devoted Sunni Muslim.

00:08:46.820 However, even though he was a bin Laden, and a member of one of the richest families in Saudi, he was somewhat of an outsider, despite having over 50 brothers and sisters.

00:08:55.800 And he and his mother were not treated as members of the bin Laden extended clan, likely because his mother was from the Alawite sect and wasn't considered part of the Muslim community in Saudi.

00:09:04.980 At the age of 10, Osama suffered personal heartache when on September 3rd, 1967, his father Muhammad died in a plane crash.

00:09:14.260 His small private enemy...

00:09:15.160 All right, so this is a little bit of a turning point here in Osama's life, guys.

00:09:18.300 You're going to see some things are about to change here after his father passes.

00:09:21.920 The aircraft crashed when trying to land on a remote strip of land near the Yemen border.

00:09:27.940 Both Muhammad and his American pilot were killed.

00:09:31.040 He was 60 years old and by some accounts was traveling to marry his 12th wife.

00:09:36.020 Even though Osama wasn't close to his father, reportedly only meeting him on a handful of occasions,

00:09:40.540 the trauma of losing him led Osama to seek solace in the Quran, and he memorized its text,

00:09:47.160 and eventually could recite all 6,000 verses.

00:09:50.520 The already subdued little boy also became even more introverted.

00:09:54.440 So, you guys can see here that the radicalization is almost, you know, it's in the infant stages here.

00:10:01.120 And, you know, Osama was extremely religious.

00:10:04.260 I mean, the guy prayed, I think, five to seven times a day.

00:10:09.260 He fasted on certain days of the week, every week, versus only on Ramadan, just like the Prophet did.

00:10:14.980 So, he was a very devout Muslim.

00:10:17.620 And you're going to see this devoutness, if that's a word, devoutness, morph into extremism here.

00:10:24.660 You know, it started with good intentions, and it quickly morphs into something far more evil.

00:10:29.220 At the time of his death, Mohammed's company was reputed to be worth $5 billion U.S. dollars,

00:10:35.980 and Osama later inherited around $25 million.

00:10:39.240 Guys, so he was worth $1 billion.

00:10:42.800 Let's do the math on that real fast, okay?

00:10:44.980 So, he died in 67, right?

00:10:48.740 So, let's go ahead and do the math, right?

00:10:51.660 Okay, so let's Google this.

00:10:52.840 $1 billion U.S. dollars in 1967 today.

00:11:06.480 Okay, hold on.

00:11:08.080 It won't let me even put the billion in.

00:11:09.580 That's how much it is.

00:11:10.360 All right, let me go back to the documentary.

00:11:21.520 I'll have the number here for you guys in a second while I search this.

00:11:25.660 ...even more introverted.

00:11:27.860 At the time of his death, Mohammed's company was reputed to be worth $5 billion U.S. dollars,

00:11:32.880 and Osama later inherited around $25 million.

00:11:36.960 So, he got $25 million.

00:11:39.140 The company was worth $5 billion.

00:11:46.080 Well, let's do the math with $25 million.

00:11:50.280 $25.

00:11:55.920 Here, I'll keep going.

00:11:57.100 I'll get the numbers to you guys here in a second.

00:11:58.740 A year after his father's death, Osama, aged 11,

00:12:02.340 attended the elite Al-Thaga model school in Jeddah,

00:12:05.320 considered to be one of the most progressive schools in Saudi Arabia.

00:12:09.440 At the school, Osama was remembered as not the brightest,

00:12:12.860 but by far the tallest and most courteous of his peers.

00:12:18.640 Osama was 6'4", by the way, guys.

00:12:20.740 Extremely tall.

00:12:21.440 In 1971, when Osama was 14 years old,

00:12:31.400 he spent the summer in the United Kingdom studying English language at a school in Oxford.

00:12:36.380 He was accompanied on the trip by two of his older half-brothers.

00:12:40.120 And whilst they relished their time in the West, Osama did not.

00:12:42.980 Okay, guys, just so you know, $25 million in 1967 is worth $222,161,676.67 today.

00:12:54.840 Crazy, man.

00:12:56.280 Now I'm going to search $5 billion for y'all.

00:12:57.520 Osama told his own children he refused to go back to the United Kingdom the following year

00:13:02.200 because a pious Muslim should not go to the lands of the West.

00:13:06.280 Osama believed the British were morally degenerate.

00:13:09.220 But whilst Osama was rejecting the West,

00:13:11.400 many of his half-siblings embraced it,

00:13:13.480 and his eldest brother, Salam,

00:13:15.440 attended the prestigious English boarding school Millfield.

00:13:19.240 Most of the Bin Laden siblings were pro-American and westernized,

00:13:22.300 and their vast wealth afforded them the luxury to travel all over the world.

00:13:26.520 And eventually, over half of Osama's siblings were either educated

00:13:29.600 or later lived in Britain or the U.S.

00:13:34.340 Salam.

00:13:34.860 And just so y'all know, $5 billion back then was worth $44,000,000 to $432,335,329.34 today.

00:13:49.160 Holy shit.

00:13:50.680 He would basically be right up there with Bill Gates in today's dollars, guys.

00:13:54.880 $5 billion in 67.

00:13:56.820 $44.4 billion, guys.

00:14:01.500 Oh, shit! Oh, shit!

00:14:02.260 So now you guys know the gravity of the individual we're talking about on this pod, man.

00:14:07.380 Osama Bin Laden, guys, was not a bum.

00:14:10.180 You know?

00:14:11.380 $25 million, you know, he pretty much got after his father passed in 67.

00:14:15.520 Now you guys know why he was the head of al-Qaeda and why he was able to fund terrorist activities

00:14:20.780 for the better part of two decades.

00:14:22.760 Let's keep going.

00:14:25.100 Osama's eldest brother particularly enjoyed all that came with his power and money.

00:14:29.940 He was the one who was now heading the business empire

00:14:32.040 and often treated his many siblings to trips around the world.

00:14:35.040 This iconic photograph of 23 of the Bin Laden brothers and sisters.

00:14:39.820 There you can see Bin Laden right there in the corner with his sister.

00:14:44.620 And look at this big family, man.

00:14:45.960 His dad was out here smashing.

00:14:47.340 Goddamn.

00:14:48.460 Leaning up against a pink Cadillac was during a visit to Sweden in 1971.

00:14:54.140 Allegedly, Osama can be seen happily posing next to his sister.

00:14:58.760 However, whilst his fabulously wealthy brothers and sisters enjoyed their luxury westernized lifestyle,

00:15:04.840 Osama was following a totally different course.

00:15:07.740 He started attending an after-school Islamic study session,

00:15:11.340 led by a Syrian teacher who had a huge influence on young Osama.

00:15:15.800 It is not known who the teacher was,

00:15:17.920 but it is thought that he may have been a member of the Muslim Brotherhood.

00:15:20.540 A transitional Sunni Islamic organization that seeks to inject Islam into the political arena.

00:15:28.140 Okay, so you guys can see.

00:15:29.400 So now it's building upon itself, right?

00:15:31.200 So step one, become extremely devout, extreme religious.

00:15:34.260 Step two, join an Islamic cult to a degree that wants to inject Islam into other parts of society and politics.

00:15:43.180 Hmm.

00:15:44.460 Already raising some red flags.

00:15:47.960 Osama started adopting the style and habits of Islam.

00:15:50.540 Islamists, wearing shortened leg trousers and growing a beard.

00:15:54.520 Islamists believe that Islam should guide social, political and personal life.

00:15:59.180 However, it's worth pointing out that Islamism is not a form of the Muslim faith or an expression of Muslim piety.

00:16:06.340 Instead, it is a political ideology.

00:16:08.820 Yes.

00:16:09.140 It has been described as an anti-ideology, opposing almost everything.

00:16:13.520 It is an anti-Semitic, anti-Israeli, anti-Christian, anti-Western and anti-American due to its distorted view of Jews' role in the United States.

00:16:22.260 And let me put an emphasis here on anti-Semitic, guys.

00:16:26.080 I'm just going to – I don't know a better way to say this, so I'm just going to say it.

00:16:31.560 The Middle East is extremely anti-Semitic, guys.

00:16:33.920 There's conflicts in Israel, between Israel and Palestine.

00:16:37.960 And, you know, basically a lot of Muslim countries feel as though the Jewish people robbed them of their lands.

00:16:44.840 And that has led to a lot of conflict and bloodshed in the Middle East.

00:16:48.840 And that constant fighting has – and, you know, in the U.S.'s support of Israel, which then, you know, obviously fights against the Palestinians, Muslims, that has basically galvanized the Middle East to have extremely anti-Semitic views against the Jews and the United States as a whole.

00:17:11.320 And all Western countries that support Israel, which is a foundational pillar as to the hatred of the West from the Middle East, guys.

00:17:19.840 So, you know, just so you guys kind of understand where this is coming from.

00:17:25.480 Let's continue on.

00:17:28.420 Islamism is not about the Islamic faith.

00:17:31.180 It's an extremely dangerous ideology that distorts religion and reality to fit its anti-platform.

00:17:36.220 It was around this time that Osama told family members he had started thinking about jihad.

00:17:42.600 To explain jihad can mean three things to Islam.

00:17:45.660 Which is basically a holy war, guys.

00:17:48.180 One, a personal struggle in devotion to Islam, especially involving spiritual discipline.

00:17:53.740 Two, a crusade for a principle or belief.

00:17:57.640 Or three, as was the case with Osama, a holy war waged on behalf of Islam as a religious duty.

00:18:04.400 Osama became fanatical.

00:18:06.220 And started praying more than the five times a day required by his faith.

00:18:10.080 And fasted every Monday and Thursday, just as the Prophet Muhammad had done.

00:18:14.880 Yeah, only very religious and devout Muslims do that and follow in the Prophet's footsteps.

00:18:21.040 While he had few friends growing up, when he invited them over, he would encourage them to chant hymns about Palestine.

00:18:27.420 However, it wasn't all religion.

00:18:29.220 It was also known to...

00:18:29.940 See, it comes back to, you know, that Palestine and Israeli conflict.

00:18:33.320 You know, that is the root cause of a lot of the issues that we have, you know, in general with the Middle East.

00:18:40.200 You know, between the West and the Middle East.

00:18:41.540 And, you know, I wish they would make some goddamn peace, man.

00:18:44.060 But it probably won't happen.

00:18:46.240 This is a battle that's been going on for decades, guys.

00:18:48.740 He's going to enjoy cowboy films, Bruce Lee movies, and anything to do with horses.

00:18:54.740 He loved horses.

00:18:56.060 And when he was older, he kept many of them at various places he lived.

00:18:59.960 He also loved fast cars.

00:19:01.860 The faster, the better.

00:19:03.140 And his pride and joy as a teenager with his white Chrysler with red leather interior.

00:19:07.340 All right.

00:19:12.680 So now he's about to become an adult and have children of his own.

00:19:18.880 When Osama turned 17, Thor turned to marriage.

00:19:22.080 And after he visited Syria with his mother, he asked if he could marry his younger cousin, Najwa, who is the daughter of his mother's brother.

00:19:29.540 Okay, so this is something that's fairly common in Middle Eastern culture, guys.

00:19:35.100 Let me just put this out there.

00:19:36.420 A lot of the times they'll marry a cousin or a distant cousin in the family.

00:19:41.180 And I know, like, what the hell?

00:19:42.920 I agree.

00:19:44.160 But this happens, you know, in Middle Eastern culture.

00:19:48.260 So this was not necessarily abnormal.

00:19:52.700 All right.

00:19:53.820 It's very common.

00:19:55.800 Though we think it's gross.

00:19:57.140 And I agree.

00:19:57.560 I think it's gross, too.

00:19:58.340 But, yep, this is what they did a lot of the times.

00:20:00.580 And for obvious reasons, this can lead to birth defects.

00:20:04.140 The families agreed to match.

00:20:06.040 And 17-year-old Osama and 15-year-old Najwa were married in 1974.

00:20:11.560 The wedding was held at the home of Najwa's parents in Syria.

00:20:15.340 It was a very simple ceremony that followed Osama's fundamentalist beliefs.

00:20:19.900 There was no music, singing, or jokes.

00:20:22.100 And laughter was banned.

00:20:23.880 But the marriage, according to Najwa, was a love match.

00:20:26.600 From the moment, Najwa married the cousins she adored.

00:20:30.700 Her life was lived in isolation, according to her husband's wishes.

00:20:34.600 If she went out in public, she had to be completely covered head to toe in black robes, and accompanied by a male relative or friend.

00:20:41.180 Only permitted to see the outside world through a black veil.

00:20:45.980 Osama and his new wife moved to Saudi Arabia and lived with his mother at her house in Jeddah.

00:20:51.580 Within a year, Najwa was pregnant and gave birth to a son, Abdullah.

00:20:55.500 At the time, Osama was still in high school.

00:20:59.140 Osama went on to have at least five more wives, and fathered around 25 children.

00:21:03.660 God damn, bro, these dudes out here...

00:21:05.340 Oh shit! Oh shit!

00:21:06.460 Smashing all day!

00:21:07.620 After graduating from high school in 1976, Osama went to King Abdul University in Jeddah, where he befriended a boy called Jamal.

00:21:24.440 They both shared the same religious ideology.

00:21:26.560 The two friends often went riding together, and would spend nights in the desert, sleeping on the sand, and eating only dates in the water.

00:21:34.960 These desert stays were Bin Laden's ways of testing himself in extreme conditions to toughen himself up for a time of deprivation that he believed was to come.

00:21:45.340 It was during Bin Laden's time at university that he developed very literal interpretations of Islam, and he felt if he did not follow them, God would punish him.

00:21:53.820 He also met...

00:22:23.820 Asim was a Palestinian-Sunni Islamic scholar, and theologian, and an influential Salafist jihadist, to help the Afghan, who went on to preach defensive jihadi by Muslims, to help the Afghan Mujahideen against the Soviet invaders.

00:22:39.580 Okay, this is very, very important here, guys.

00:22:42.600 Okay, so in 1979, right around 79, the Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan, and this right here essentially created the Mujahideen, who is going to form into, later on, Al-Qaeda.

00:22:56.540 We'll talk about that.

00:22:57.240 But this is where Bin Laden steps up.

00:23:03.480 Osama had previously fought the Israelis when they invaded Palestine in 1967, and he had experience of guerrilla warfare.

00:23:11.140 Asim was a major influencer and mentor to the young Osama Bin Laden, and his influence almost certainly contributed to Bin Laden's extreme...

00:23:18.320 And this guy obviously is anti-Jew, right?

00:23:21.480 Because he's Palestinian, he fought against the Jews in 67, so now the Soviets are invading Afghanistan.

00:23:27.040 So what does he do?

00:23:27.680 He gears up the troops, and he's like, hey, you guys are invading Islamic land.

00:23:30.360 We need to band together and fight.

00:23:31.800 In 1978, Najwa had a second child, another boy they called Abdul Raham.

00:23:48.160 The following year, whilst pregnant again, Najwa and her two young children joined Osama on a surprise visit to the United States, which he told her was a business trip.

00:23:56.640 In reality, Osama was meeting with Abdullah Azam, who was in the U.S. on a speaking tour, to recruit jihad.

00:24:04.240 And you guys are probably wondering, what the hell?

00:24:06.420 So wait, you're telling me Osama's been in the United States?

00:24:08.400 Yes.

00:24:09.280 Back in 78, and he came to meet this guy, who also was an extremist.

00:24:15.620 I met up with Azam to discuss a role for him in the movement.

00:24:19.640 Whilst in America, baby Abdul Raham, who was born with hydrocephalus, became ill,

00:24:24.440 and the couple sought help from a doctor in Indianapolis.

00:24:28.740 After their return, Najwa gave birth to a third son they called Said.

00:24:33.500 At this point...

00:24:34.340 And keep in mind also, guys, that Osama was a Saudi citizen.

00:24:38.120 As a Saudi citizen, though they're not a visa waiver,

00:24:41.840 they enjoy certain benefits that other Middle Eastern countries do not,

00:24:45.960 which includes, you know, the ability to get a visa a little bit easier,

00:24:49.480 since Saudi Arabia is a first world country and is not necessarily, you know,

00:24:55.460 on like a terrorist watch list.

00:24:56.720 And of course, and this is back in the 70s, you know,

00:24:59.220 the FBI was more concerned with the La Cosa Nostra than terrorism,

00:25:02.080 if you know what I'm saying.

00:25:03.320 Osama decided to skip graduating from university

00:25:06.040 and work full-time for the family construction business.

00:25:10.380 Osama tried to emulate the father he idolized by being hands-on with the workers

00:25:14.540 and was often seen driving bulldozers and eating with the staff.

00:25:18.520 And Osama was a civil engineer, by the way, guys, as well.

00:25:21.920 Very humble, as you guys can see, eating with the staff,

00:25:24.020 driving the bulldozers, he's doing the groundwork with his guys.

00:25:26.760 As his father had.

00:25:27.880 His eldest brother, Salim, had now taken over from his father

00:25:31.020 and was now at the helm of the company

00:25:32.780 and was as successful as his father at generating big contracts.

00:25:36.920 Salim built the business even more by diversifying into other areas,

00:25:41.180 including engineering and telecommunication systems.

00:25:43.800 Salim acted as the patriarch of the bin Laden family

00:25:47.140 after their father's death.

00:25:48.780 And as well as being in charge of the family's vast income,

00:25:51.580 he also oversaw the individual education plans

00:25:54.040 for each of his half-brothers and sisters.

00:25:56.840 He also continued the close relationship with the Saudi royal family.

00:26:00.840 Ironically, Salim bin Laden was one of the investors

00:26:03.500 in the Arbusto Oil Company created by George W. Bush in 1979.

00:26:09.120 Oh, shit.

00:26:11.180 Interesting links.

00:26:12.060 He also owned a house in Orlando, Florida.

00:26:15.800 Sadly, just like his father,

00:26:17.260 his love of piloting his private planes caused his death

00:26:20.080 when in 1988 he hit a high-voltage electrical power line

00:26:24.040 on the edge of Shirts in Texas.

00:26:25.800 1979 was not only the year bin Laden's third son was born,

00:26:38.380 but it was also a turning point for Muslims all over the world

00:26:41.380 when on November 20th, worshippers were attacked

00:26:44.740 at Masjid al-Haram, the holiest mosque in Islam, in Mecca, Saudi Arabia.

00:26:49.340 The insurgents declared that the Mahdi, the redeemer of Islam,

00:26:54.340 had arrived in the form of one of their leaders, Muhammad Abdullah al-Qahtani,

00:26:58.500 and called on Muslims to obey him.

00:27:01.100 The Saudi army, advised by French commandos,

00:27:03.920 fought for almost two weeks to reclaim the Grand Mosque.

00:27:06.720 The attack shocked the Islamic world.

00:27:09.500 Muhammad was killed in the recapture of the mosque,

00:27:11.880 and the rebels who survived the assault were captured and later beheaded.

00:27:16.040 Official reports stated that 255 fanatics

00:27:19.340 Yeah, Saudi Arabia doesn't play out with that shit, guys.

00:27:21.540 They're gonna give you the...

00:27:22.700 If you mess with them, bruh.

00:27:25.100 ...troops and pilgrims were killed.

00:27:26.820 Behead!

00:27:27.340 ...and 560 were injured.

00:27:30.420 Following the attack, the Saudi king implemented

00:27:32.820 a strict enforcement of Sharia law.

00:27:36.140 Shortly after, on December 26th,

00:27:38.400 an infidel Soviet army invaded Afghanistan,

00:27:40.620 Bin Laden...

00:27:42.000 Infidel stands for non-believer, guys.

00:27:44.260 ...was deeply upset by this event,

00:27:46.160 and made it his mission to help the Afghan resistance.

00:27:49.600 He responded to the invasion by what he called

00:27:52.480 godless communists,

00:27:54.380 by gathering up as much money as he could

00:27:56.120 from relatives and the family business

00:27:57.680 to donate to the Afghan resistance fighters,

00:28:00.780 known as Mujahideen,

00:28:02.600 and in 1980, he traveled to Pakistan,

00:28:04.800 where he met up again with Abdullah Azam.

00:28:08.800 Together, they set up

00:28:10.080 Maktab al-Kidimat,

00:28:11.740 also known as the Afghan Service Bureau,

00:28:14.300 to raise funds and recruit foreign Mujahideen

00:28:16.620 for the war against the Soviets in Afghanistan.

00:28:18.700 And there's a special donor

00:28:22.620 for the Mujahideen, by the way, guys.

00:28:24.660 You're going to see here in a second who it was.

00:28:26.920 From this point,

00:28:27.880 Osama became heavily involved in the Afghan struggle,

00:28:31.020 collecting millions of dollars from wealthy Gulf donors

00:28:33.200 and making frequent visits to Pakistan.

00:28:36.380 The fight became his sole focus.

00:28:38.680 Asam had convinced him to help personally finance

00:28:41.000 the training of recruits.

00:28:43.140 Bin Laden's fortune paid for air tickets and accommodation,

00:28:45.600 dealt with paperwork needed for Pakistani authorities

00:28:48.280 and provided other services for the jihad fighters.

00:28:51.300 Asam, who shared Osama's outrage at the Soviet invasion,

00:28:55.960 issued a fatwa,

00:28:57.440 declaring defense of the Muslim lands,

00:28:59.660 stating that both the Afghan and Palestinian struggles

00:29:02.520 were jihads

00:29:03.340 and that all able-bodied Muslims

00:29:05.060 had a duty to fight against foreign occupations

00:29:07.480 of Islamic countries.

00:29:09.520 However, this ruling went beyond traditional interpretations

00:29:12.240 of defense.

00:29:12.640 And just so you guys know,

00:29:13.420 a fatwa is a legal ruling on a point of Islamic law,

00:29:15.740 Sharia,

00:29:16.140 given by a qualified jurist

00:29:17.740 in response to a question posed by a private individual.

00:29:21.300 Defense of Jihad.

00:29:23.960 Asam moved to Peshawar,

00:29:25.720 closer to the Afghan border,

00:29:27.520 where he set up paramilitary training camps

00:29:29.420 in Afghanistan

00:29:30.000 to prepare international recruits

00:29:32.200 for the Afghan war front.

00:29:33.640 And these paramilitary training camps

00:29:35.480 are going to become

00:29:37.100 terrorist training camps in the future.

00:29:41.020 An estimated 16,000 to 35,000 Muslim volunteers

00:29:45.060 from around the world

00:29:46.000 came to fight in Afghanistan,

00:29:47.420 employing tactics of asymmetric warfare,

00:29:51.480 the Afghan resistance movement

00:29:52.720 was able to fend off

00:29:53.780 the military's superior Soviet armed forces

00:29:55.880 through most of the war,

00:29:57.900 although the lightly armed Afghan Mujahideen

00:30:00.380 suffered enormous casualties.

00:30:03.860 Throughout the 1980s,

00:30:05.260 the Saudi Arabian government

00:30:06.380 and the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency

00:30:08.780 gradually increased financial and military assistance

00:30:11.480 to the Afghan Mujahideen forces

00:30:13.260 in an effort to stem Soviet pro-

00:30:15.480 You guys heard that?

00:30:17.480 So there you have it.

00:30:18.720 The U.S. and the CIA

00:30:20.440 was funding the Mujahideen

00:30:22.280 to fight the Soviets

00:30:23.560 in the late 70s, guys.

00:30:25.620 So that-

00:30:26.560 Oh shit! Oh shit! Oh shit!

00:30:28.240 And little did they know

00:30:29.400 that these dollars

00:30:30.220 would be used

00:30:31.260 for more nefarious purposes

00:30:32.500 that would hurt us later on.

00:30:35.000 But back then, guys, remember,

00:30:36.800 Russia was, you know,

00:30:38.380 the enemy world power.

00:30:39.700 So, the United States

00:30:41.480 was hell-bent on doing anything

00:30:42.960 to weaken the Soviet Union back then.

00:30:45.280 ...progress

00:30:45.720 and destabilize the Soviet Union.

00:30:49.380 Abdullah Azam

00:30:50.500 frequently joined Afghan militias

00:30:52.140 as he became an inspirational figure

00:30:54.040 among the Afghan resistance

00:30:55.440 and freedom-fighting Muslims worldwide.

00:30:58.740 He inspired young Muslims

00:31:00.380 with stories of miraculous deeds.

00:31:02.600 He published a book called

00:31:03.720 Signs of the Most Merciful

00:31:05.060 in the Afghan Holy War.

00:31:07.100 And in it,

00:31:07.920 he recounted stories of miracles

00:31:09.620 as a result of God's grace,

00:31:12.000 saying fighters

00:31:12.780 who were struck by bullets

00:31:13.820 were unharmed

00:31:14.560 and birds circled in flocks

00:31:16.400 to distract enemy helicopters.

00:31:18.780 He also claimed

00:31:19.760 Afghan jihad

00:31:20.640 were martyrs

00:31:21.720 who always died

00:31:22.460 with smiles on their faces

00:31:23.620 and their dead bodies

00:31:25.140 gave off a sweet musk-like odor.

00:31:28.980 Osama was in awe

00:31:29.780 of his older mentor

00:31:30.620 and seemed to have-

00:31:31.580 And of course,

00:31:32.180 this is propaganda

00:31:32.860 to incite people

00:31:33.980 to go ahead and join

00:31:35.060 the, you know,

00:31:36.020 what they would deem

00:31:36.640 as a holy war,

00:31:37.400 you know, to get volunteers in.

00:31:39.620 Brown, the father figure

00:31:40.460 he longed for.

00:31:41.940 Azam was driving

00:31:42.760 Osama's extreme beliefs.

00:31:45.000 It wasn't until 1989

00:31:46.100 that the FBI office in Dallas

00:31:47.940 started investigating

00:31:49.320 Azam for his role

00:31:50.300 in recruiting fighters

00:31:51.720 for the Soviet-Afghan war.

00:31:53.060 So the FBI puts, you know,

00:31:58.640 a target on his mentor

00:32:00.700 Azam's back in 89.

00:32:03.200 Damn near 10 years

00:32:03.980 after the Soviet resistance,

00:32:05.320 right, you know,

00:32:05.940 closer to the Soviet collapse,

00:32:07.160 actually.

00:32:13.940 During the first four years

00:32:15.320 of the war in Afghanistan,

00:32:16.820 bin Laden went back and forth

00:32:18.080 from Saudi to Pakistan,

00:32:19.380 bringing donations

00:32:20.340 and supporting the cause.

00:32:22.740 But he'd never actually

00:32:23.940 crossed the border

00:32:24.700 into Afghanistan.

00:32:25.960 His family had advised

00:32:26.780 against it.

00:32:28.100 However, in 1984,

00:32:29.680 Azam persuaded Osama

00:32:30.900 to cross

00:32:31.420 to see for himself

00:32:32.280 what was going on.

00:32:34.120 At first,

00:32:34.860 he was terrified

00:32:35.520 and the sounds of explosions

00:32:37.120 scared the life out of him.

00:32:38.680 But once he reached the camps,

00:32:39.780 he was horrified

00:32:40.380 by the state of the weapons

00:32:41.460 the Afghans were using

00:32:42.520 and the conditions

00:32:43.460 they were fighting in.

00:32:45.600 He felt a sense of guilt

00:32:46.880 and embarrassment

00:32:47.480 that he had not visited

00:32:48.600 the site before.

00:32:49.580 because he's just

00:32:51.480 a rich financier,

00:32:52.560 you know,

00:32:52.800 he doesn't know

00:32:53.380 what's going on.

00:32:53.980 He doesn't know

00:32:54.460 the ill effects of war.

00:32:55.660 So obviously,

00:32:56.040 he goes in there,

00:32:56.800 he sees his Muslim

00:32:57.400 brother struggling.

00:32:58.820 He's like,

00:32:59.200 what the fuck?

00:33:00.000 You know,

00:33:00.140 and remember,

00:33:00.500 he's used to a life

00:33:01.220 of affluence,

00:33:01.840 having money,

00:33:02.400 et cetera.

00:33:02.760 Though he was

00:33:03.160 a humble individual,

00:33:04.960 it's still,

00:33:06.180 you know,

00:33:06.500 it was a wake-up call

00:33:07.440 for him.

00:33:07.980 The only way God

00:33:09.080 would pardon him

00:33:09.720 for his sins

00:33:10.240 was to be martyred.

00:33:12.600 When Osama

00:33:13.380 went back to Saudi,

00:33:14.480 he was even more

00:33:15.140 determined to help

00:33:15.980 fight the holy war

00:33:16.880 and raised vast amounts

00:33:18.120 of money for the cause

00:33:19.180 through friends

00:33:19.820 and relatives.

00:33:21.400 He also started

00:33:22.100 paying $300,000 a year

00:33:23.980 to help Muslims

00:33:25.100 around the world

00:33:25.780 who wanted to travel

00:33:26.920 to Pakistan

00:33:27.440 and sign up

00:33:28.100 to fight the cause.

00:33:30.900 Azam and Osama

00:33:31.700 also started publishing

00:33:32.820 a magazine

00:33:33.440 they called

00:33:34.060 Jihad Magazine.

00:33:35.960 The monthly Arabic

00:33:36.780 publication

00:33:37.420 became a vital tool

00:33:38.600 for recruiting

00:33:39.120 Muslim volunteers

00:33:40.000 from around the world

00:33:40.920 for Afghan jihad.

00:33:43.540 Azam was very much

00:33:44.440 the driving force

00:33:45.200 behind recruitment

00:33:45.900 at this stage

00:33:47.040 and Bin Laden

00:33:48.000 was barely mentioned

00:33:48.900 in the publications.

00:33:51.180 The magazine

00:33:51.980 was distributed

00:33:52.740 in over 50 countries

00:33:54.000 and used the most

00:33:54.920 up-to-date media reports

00:33:56.280 to spread propaganda

00:33:57.540 and at its height

00:33:59.260 70,000 copies

00:34:00.520 were being printed.

00:34:01.120 And just so you guys know,

00:34:01.960 $300,000 back then

00:34:03.500 was around

00:34:04.120 $1 million today, guys.

00:34:06.500 So he was donating

00:34:07.220 a million dollars a year

00:34:08.180 to the cause.

00:34:08.780 ...into the month.

00:34:11.680 All the while,

00:34:12.520 Bin Laden continued

00:34:13.320 to flip between

00:34:14.080 the Afghan war

00:34:14.860 and the family business.

00:34:15.920 He also started

00:34:17.300 thinking about

00:34:17.920 marrying again.

00:34:26.660 In Islam,

00:34:27.820 polygamy is usual.

00:34:29.280 But Bin Laden

00:34:29.780 held the view

00:34:30.500 that marrying

00:34:31.020 multiple women

00:34:31.740 like his father did

00:34:32.700 purely for gratification

00:34:34.020 was wrong.

00:34:35.160 And to be a true Muslim,

00:34:36.440 you should marry

00:34:37.020 only four wives

00:34:38.020 and then only if you

00:34:39.580 could treat them

00:34:40.040 all equally.

00:34:40.540 Which is the standard

00:34:43.360 in the Quran, guys.

00:34:44.740 If you're going to

00:34:45.040 have multiple wives,

00:34:45.680 you need to be able

00:34:46.180 to support them

00:34:46.820 all equally the same

00:34:48.220 from a financial standpoint.

00:34:49.700 That means if you

00:34:50.320 buy one a house,

00:34:50.980 the other one's got

00:34:51.420 to have a house.

00:34:52.040 If you buy another

00:34:52.780 one a house,

00:34:53.200 they basically got

00:34:53.740 to be treated equally

00:34:54.580 from a financial standpoint

00:34:55.660 and get all the same

00:34:56.960 resources.

00:34:57.560 It's kind of a

00:34:58.000 checks and balances

00:34:58.620 to ensure that only

00:35:00.280 the highest status

00:35:01.220 of men are able

00:35:02.320 to have multiple wives.

00:35:03.780 Hey,

00:35:04.180 I bergamy once again,

00:35:05.160 even in religion, guys.

00:35:06.000 In 1983,

00:35:07.480 with thoughts of

00:35:08.120 marrying again,

00:35:09.140 bin Laden bought

00:35:09.800 a large house

00:35:10.540 close to his mother's

00:35:11.580 in Saudi.

00:35:13.080 But he chose to leave

00:35:13.940 the house undecorated

00:35:15.020 with no personal effects

00:35:16.580 and an overall

00:35:17.680 color scheme of gray.

00:35:19.420 He also refused

00:35:20.160 to turn on the air

00:35:20.860 conditioning or the

00:35:21.800 refrigerator,

00:35:22.900 despite the brutal

00:35:23.740 hot climate of Saudi.

00:35:25.380 He liked the,

00:35:26.340 you know,

00:35:26.600 the challenge.

00:35:27.300 And as you guys know,

00:35:28.000 right when he was younger,

00:35:28.700 what was he doing?

00:35:29.140 He was going around

00:35:29.660 in the desert,

00:35:30.360 eating dates with his friend,

00:35:31.660 not having much water,

00:35:32.700 putting himself through

00:35:33.820 that,

00:35:34.140 fasting twice a week.

00:35:34.960 twice a week.

00:35:35.900 He always tested

00:35:36.580 his limits,

00:35:38.880 right?

00:35:39.260 And even though

00:35:40.000 he grew up rich,

00:35:40.640 he tried everything

00:35:41.380 in his power

00:35:41.880 to not come off

00:35:42.580 as a rich,

00:35:43.080 pompous kid.

00:35:43.620 He liked to work

00:35:44.140 with individuals

00:35:44.720 when he was

00:35:45.080 in the construction company.

00:35:46.100 He wanted to be

00:35:46.620 on the front lines

00:35:47.160 when they were

00:35:47.480 fighting war in Afghanistan.

00:35:48.880 That's just how

00:35:49.440 this dude was.

00:35:51.440 He believed

00:35:52.160 Islamic beliefs

00:35:52.980 were being corrupted

00:35:53.780 by modernization.

00:35:56.120 His wife,

00:35:56.660 Najwa,

00:35:57.140 was not thrilled

00:35:57.800 about the prospect

00:35:58.500 of her husband

00:35:59.140 taking another wife.

00:36:00.840 And the couple

00:36:01.340 spent many hours

00:36:02.140 discussing the issue.

00:36:03.920 But ultimately,

00:36:04.580 Bin Laden

00:36:05.180 talked her around.

00:36:07.640 Najwa was already

00:36:08.440 on her fifth pregnancy

00:36:09.440 and Asama had told her

00:36:10.920 that to bring

00:36:11.620 many more Muslims

00:36:12.440 into the world,

00:36:13.480 he needed to take

00:36:14.140 more wives.

00:36:15.440 And that if she was

00:36:16.120 content in her heart

00:36:17.020 for him to take

00:36:17.760 a second wife,

00:36:18.760 she would gain in heaven.

00:36:20.680 And it was certain

00:36:21.560 that her life

00:36:22.320 would end in paradise.

00:36:23.800 For the love

00:36:24.240 of her husband,

00:36:25.240 Najwa agreed.

00:36:26.000 In 1983,

00:36:29.540 Bin Laden

00:36:29.900 married his

00:36:30.400 second wife,

00:36:31.760 Khadija Sharif.

00:36:33.220 In 1985,

00:36:34.360 he married a third wife,

00:36:36.220 a lady his first wife

00:36:37.300 had chosen for him

00:36:38.240 called Kariya Saber.

00:36:39.660 Oh, shit,

00:36:42.460 your wife is finding

00:36:43.120 new wives?

00:36:43.660 That's what's up, man.

00:36:44.800 And also, guys,

00:36:46.340 keep in mind that

00:36:48.240 this is,

00:36:49.420 a lot of the times

00:36:50.700 when people

00:36:51.540 have multiple wives,

00:36:52.380 et cetera,

00:36:52.660 they look at it like,

00:36:53.400 yo, we need to have

00:36:53.940 more children.

00:36:54.520 Well, guess what?

00:36:55.180 A woman can only bring

00:36:56.020 you one child

00:36:56.660 per year,

00:36:57.940 so what do you do

00:36:58.620 to, you know,

00:36:59.200 multiply that

00:36:59.740 and get another wife?

00:37:01.600 In 1987,

00:37:02.940 Bin Laden took

00:37:03.520 a fourth wife,

00:37:04.640 the sister of his

00:37:05.300 close friend,

00:37:06.160 Saad al-Sharif,

00:37:07.200 named Syham Sabah.

00:37:09.460 Bin Laden had no

00:37:10.280 trouble finding wives,

00:37:11.500 as in Saudi,

00:37:12.200 he was becoming

00:37:12.640 increasingly celebrated

00:37:13.800 for his support

00:37:14.920 of jihadi fighters

00:37:15.780 in Afghanistan.

00:37:16.900 So,

00:37:17.760 back then, guys,

00:37:18.660 you guys can see,

00:37:19.440 he's looked at as a hero

00:37:20.540 because he's,

00:37:21.800 you know,

00:37:22.100 gathering funds,

00:37:23.320 he's helping the

00:37:24.080 Afghanis and their cause,

00:37:25.280 you know,

00:37:25.600 it's very respected,

00:37:27.060 guys,

00:37:27.720 to, um,

00:37:29.280 is very respected

00:37:30.100 to,

00:37:30.560 to fight

00:37:31.660 for Islamic land

00:37:33.020 and the fact that

00:37:33.620 he was there

00:37:34.100 on the front lines

00:37:34.920 as a multi-millionaire,

00:37:36.800 you know,

00:37:37.120 in there,

00:37:37.640 in the trenches

00:37:38.120 with the people,

00:37:39.380 uh,

00:37:39.840 you know,

00:37:40.780 as an affluent individual,

00:37:42.440 supporting the cause,

00:37:43.140 fighting on the front lines,

00:37:44.040 they respected him.

00:37:44.800 So,

00:37:44.960 when he goes back

00:37:45.460 to Saudi Arabia,

00:37:46.160 he's almost like

00:37:46.660 a folk hero,

00:37:47.320 you know,

00:37:47.500 because a lot of people

00:37:48.120 don't have the balls

00:37:49.040 to step into a combat zone

00:37:50.320 and fight off the Soviets

00:37:51.220 who they looked at

00:37:52.280 as the enemy

00:37:52.740 because they were

00:37:53.300 invading Islamic lands.

00:37:54.900 So,

00:37:55.580 to,

00:37:55.780 to,

00:37:56.100 um,

00:37:56.640 to his peers,

00:37:57.420 to his friends,

00:37:57.900 to his family,

00:37:58.980 they were like,

00:37:59.460 oh,

00:37:59.700 this dude is the fucking shit.

00:38:01.180 Now,

00:38:01.600 you're gonna see

00:38:02.120 where things start to turn,

00:38:03.580 take a side,

00:38:04.680 uh,

00:38:05.200 for,

00:38:05.460 take a dark turn.

00:38:09.600 And was considered

00:38:10.460 a genuine war hero.

00:38:12.060 That,

00:38:12.500 in addition to his wealth,

00:38:13.620 made him a perfect suitor.

00:38:14.740 So,

00:38:16.360 you already know

00:38:16.780 that girls are loving

00:38:17.520 this dude,

00:38:17.940 right?

00:38:25.140 By 1986,

00:38:26.700 Osama was frequently

00:38:27.540 crossing the Pakistan border

00:38:28.900 into Afghanistan

00:38:29.600 to fight as a guerrilla commander,

00:38:31.920 leading his Arab troops

00:38:32.860 into battle

00:38:33.400 with the Russians.

00:38:35.100 It was around this time

00:38:36.320 that his once-close relationship

00:38:37.720 with Abdullah Azam

00:38:38.840 started to sour.

00:38:40.580 Their views on fighting

00:38:41.480 the Holy War differed.

00:38:43.200 Osama wanted to create

00:38:44.120 a standalone Arab force

00:38:45.460 to fight the Soviets,

00:38:47.040 soldiers that were prepared

00:38:48.040 to martyr themselves

00:38:48.940 for the cause,

00:38:50.160 whereas Azam wanted

00:38:51.100 to build the Afghan

00:38:51.940 Mujahideen

00:38:52.780 and scatter Arab forces

00:38:54.380 amongst them

00:38:54.940 to boost morale,

00:38:56.140 educate,

00:38:56.740 and get updates

00:38:57.380 for the wealthy

00:38:57.960 Middle Eastern donors.

00:38:59.820 It made more sense to him

00:39:00.980 to have one army

00:39:01.880 rather than two.

00:39:02.660 But bin Laden

00:39:04.340 was hellbent

00:39:04.980 on his own idea

00:39:05.820 and selected an area

00:39:07.080 around Jaji

00:39:07.900 in eastern Afghanistan

00:39:08.860 to build a new base

00:39:09.940 for his warriors

00:39:10.600 that he named

00:39:11.600 the Lion's Den.

00:39:14.760 The area was not ideal

00:39:16.260 because in winter

00:39:17.160 it would become

00:39:17.740 blocked by snow

00:39:18.640 during the brutal

00:39:19.380 Afghan winters,

00:39:20.700 making supplies

00:39:21.500 impossible to get through.

00:39:23.800 Despite knowing this,

00:39:25.160 bin Laden pushed on

00:39:25.980 with his plan

00:39:26.560 and work began

00:39:27.360 on the base

00:39:27.840 in October of 1986.

00:39:30.400 Bin Laden

00:39:30.780 and four of his followers

00:39:31.800 lived in a tent

00:39:32.680 as they began construction.

00:39:34.780 The conditions

00:39:35.500 were brutal.

00:39:37.940 Soon there were

00:39:38.740 16 Saudis

00:39:39.620 working on the project,

00:39:40.820 building underground

00:39:41.480 shelters and bunkers.

00:39:43.160 They also brought in

00:39:44.100 their first machine guns.

00:39:46.400 As the numbers grew,

00:39:47.600 more arms were brought in

00:39:48.580 from Pakistan,

00:39:49.840 including AK-47s

00:39:51.380 and rocket-propelled grenades,

00:39:53.260 and the group of about 40

00:39:54.620 started mounting

00:39:55.520 small attacks

00:39:56.380 against the Soviets,

00:39:57.980 and soon

00:39:58.500 there were casualties.

00:40:00.700 Allegedly,

00:40:01.220 on more than one occasion,

00:40:02.860 he took his young sons

00:40:03.840 to the lion's den

00:40:04.620 to educate them

00:40:05.660 on his passion for jihad,

00:40:07.100 much to the dismay

00:40:07.840 of his family

00:40:08.440 and his unenthusiastic

00:40:10.240 young offspring.

00:40:12.320 His old friends back in...

00:40:13.280 Now you can see

00:40:13.740 where the radicalization

00:40:14.660 is also starting to set in.

00:40:15.720 Now he's bringing

00:40:16.260 his children,

00:40:16.820 radicalizing them,

00:40:18.080 you know,

00:40:18.700 to fighting this war,

00:40:20.180 which, you know,

00:40:21.320 isn't what you should be

00:40:22.000 doing with your children.

00:40:22.900 But bin Laden

00:40:23.980 was obsessed, guys.

00:40:26.260 He was obsessed,

00:40:27.240 which, you know,

00:40:27.720 led to his downfall.

00:40:28.640 When the Saudi

00:40:29.520 noticed a change

00:40:30.380 in Osama,

00:40:31.260 he was no longer

00:40:31.960 introverted and shy.

00:40:33.580 He became more assertive

00:40:34.760 and started making speeches

00:40:36.280 at mosques

00:40:36.860 and other gathering places.

00:40:39.040 His speeches

00:40:39.860 mainly focused

00:40:40.680 not on Afghanistan,

00:40:42.020 but his obsession

00:40:42.840 with Palestine

00:40:43.480 and the Israelis,

00:40:45.020 and he urged his audience

00:40:46.140 to boycott all...

00:40:47.220 See, I told you guys,

00:40:48.120 everything stems

00:40:48.940 from the Israeli

00:40:50.440 and U.S. alliance.

00:40:51.640 U.S. goods,

00:40:52.720 because he believed

00:40:53.480 without the support

00:40:54.220 of the U.S.,

00:40:55.200 Israel could not exist.

00:40:57.320 See, exactly.

00:40:58.220 That's why...

00:40:58.840 That right there, guys,

00:41:00.100 is why so many

00:41:01.680 of these terrorists,

00:41:03.040 these crazy extremists

00:41:04.960 hate the United States

00:41:06.020 and the West

00:41:06.420 is because of Israel,

00:41:07.340 because of our support

00:41:08.140 for Israel.

00:41:09.520 You know,

00:41:09.780 and it's sad

00:41:10.320 that we can't come

00:41:11.180 to a happy middle ground

00:41:12.360 because the thing is, guys,

00:41:13.660 me personally speaking

00:41:14.820 as a Muslim,

00:41:16.300 I have friends

00:41:17.580 that are Jewish

00:41:18.040 and Judaism

00:41:19.140 and Islam

00:41:19.720 are very similar, man.

00:41:21.100 We both

00:41:21.520 eat kosher.

00:41:23.040 You can eat

00:41:23.520 kosher food from...

00:41:25.360 that's prepared

00:41:26.480 by Jewish people.

00:41:27.180 It's one of the few religions

00:41:27.960 where we can eat

00:41:28.560 their food as well

00:41:29.140 and not have

00:41:29.460 any types of problems.

00:41:30.500 The religions

00:41:30.960 are very tightly tied

00:41:32.360 and it's sad

00:41:33.120 that we just can't

00:41:35.320 see eye to eye

00:41:35.760 on certain things

00:41:36.380 and, you know,

00:41:37.080 fighting over land,

00:41:38.240 not being able

00:41:38.760 to live together

00:41:39.340 harmoniously,

00:41:40.340 it's sad, man,

00:41:41.240 and it's led

00:41:41.840 to so much

00:41:42.660 unnecessary bloodshed.

00:41:45.880 He held a growing

00:41:46.920 resentment

00:41:47.340 towards the U.S.

00:41:48.400 and their part

00:41:49.020 in the Palestinian conflict.

00:41:50.320 All right,

00:41:57.280 now we're starting

00:41:57.880 to get into

00:41:58.560 the dark side

00:41:59.200 here, guys.

00:42:02.320 By 1988,

00:42:04.000 bin Laden

00:42:04.360 had split

00:42:04.900 from Magdab,

00:42:05.820 al-Khirmat,

00:42:07.040 and whilst

00:42:07.520 al-Zam continued

00:42:08.300 to support

00:42:08.880 the Afghan fighters,

00:42:10.420 bin Laden

00:42:10.760 started growing

00:42:11.480 his splinter

00:42:12.180 Islamic faction.

00:42:14.300 It is thought

00:42:15.040 al-Qaeda

00:42:15.840 was officially formed

00:42:17.080 on August 11,

00:42:18.120 1988.

00:42:18.740 There's your birthday

00:42:20.420 of al-Qaeda,

00:42:22.080 one of the most

00:42:22.660 notorious terrorist

00:42:23.420 organizations

00:42:24.100 known to humankind.

00:42:27.300 August 11, 1988.

00:42:28.720 On or about.

00:42:29.780 Although at this point

00:42:30.580 its name

00:42:31.120 was not known

00:42:31.660 in public,

00:42:32.620 as its existence

00:42:33.460 was still

00:42:33.960 a closely guarded secret.

00:42:36.580 A list of requirements

00:42:37.540 for membership

00:42:38.140 itemized the following.

00:42:40.240 Listing ability,

00:42:41.280 good manners,

00:42:42.080 obedience,

00:42:42.920 and making a pledge

00:42:43.680 to follow one's superiors.

00:42:45.980 In February 1989,

00:42:47.880 the Soviet Union

00:42:48.560 withdrew from Afghanistan

00:42:49.600 and Osama bin Laden

00:42:51.180 returned to Saudi Arabia

00:42:52.440 as a hero of jihad.

00:42:55.240 So obviously guys,

00:42:56.020 you can see here,

00:42:56.640 this is huge,

00:42:57.720 you know,

00:42:58.240 he was at the forefront

00:42:59.580 of a resistance

00:43:00.340 that sent back

00:43:01.000 the Soviets,

00:43:01.640 which the US paid for

00:43:02.540 by the way,

00:43:03.620 and he goes back

00:43:05.260 to Saudi Arabia

00:43:06.080 as a fucking rock star.

00:43:07.880 But that's all about

00:43:08.720 to start crashing down here

00:43:10.100 very soon.

00:43:15.360 His 50 minutes of fame

00:43:16.680 are about to be up.

00:43:17.420 With some of his new

00:43:18.780 Al-Qaeda followers,

00:43:20.020 it was believed

00:43:20.520 he had brought down

00:43:21.400 the mighty superpower

00:43:22.760 of the Soviet Union.

00:43:24.700 The same year,

00:43:25.720 on the 24th of November,

00:43:27.320 Abdullah Azam

00:43:28.120 and two of his sons

00:43:29.100 were driving

00:43:29.580 to Friday prayers

00:43:30.580 in the Sabah Ali Mosque

00:43:32.580 in Peshawar

00:43:33.340 when an unknown assassin

00:43:34.920 detonated a bomb

00:43:36.060 as the vehicle approached,

00:43:37.520 killing all three

00:43:38.160 of them at right.

00:43:39.800 After Azam's death,

00:43:41.200 Osama bin Laden

00:43:41.900 was the undisputed leader

00:43:43.180 of the Arab fighters.

00:43:44.840 So now,

00:43:45.680 his mentor

00:43:46.300 is gone,

00:43:47.280 out of the picture.

00:43:48.540 So the Mujahideen

00:43:49.460 and everything else

00:43:50.260 pretty much died

00:43:51.200 alongside him.

00:43:52.300 So what's left?

00:43:53.580 Just Al-Qaeda and bin Laden.

00:44:00.140 Okay, guys,

00:44:00.960 this is very important.

00:44:02.140 This is where

00:44:02.960 we get to the turning point

00:44:04.720 in bin Laden's relations

00:44:06.640 with Saudi Arabia,

00:44:08.480 which then ends up

00:44:09.800 souring his situation

00:44:12.060 with the United States

00:44:13.060 even more so.

00:44:16.940 From war hero

00:44:17.980 to what you're about

00:44:19.180 to see here next.

00:44:21.680 On August 12th, 1990,

00:44:24.040 Saddam Hussein

00:44:24.700 invaded Kuwait,

00:44:25.820 putting the Saudi government

00:44:26.820 and the royal family

00:44:27.840 at risk.

00:44:29.620 Bin Laden offered

00:44:30.320 the Saudi royal family

00:44:31.340 as holy warriors

00:44:32.140 to fight and defeat

00:44:33.060 Saddam Hussein.

00:44:34.480 So here's Osama, right?

00:44:36.380 Just beat the Soviet Union

00:44:37.340 in a war.

00:44:37.880 He's got his Al-Qaeda

00:44:38.780 and the former

00:44:40.480 Mujahideen guys.

00:44:41.560 And he's like,

00:44:41.960 yo, we just beat the Soviets.

00:44:43.440 You know,

00:44:44.020 obviously I know

00:44:44.640 it's a national security risk

00:44:45.500 that Saddam Hussein

00:44:46.380 and Iraq invaded Kuwait

00:44:47.940 because Kuwait is very close

00:44:49.040 to Saudi Arabia

00:44:49.680 from a tactical situation.

00:44:51.880 So I'm ready.

00:44:53.740 Give me the ball.

00:44:55.260 We can go ahead

00:44:55.900 and we can deal

00:44:56.380 with these guys.

00:44:57.360 And what ends up happening,

00:44:58.500 you're going to see

00:44:58.940 right here, guys,

00:44:59.760 which ends up

00:45:00.340 souring things forever.

00:45:02.940 His offer was refused

00:45:03.940 and instead the Saudi government

00:45:05.460 accepts U.S.

00:45:06.400 Secretary of Defense.

00:45:07.360 So obviously y'all know

00:45:11.300 that bin Laden

00:45:12.020 hates the United States

00:45:13.020 because of their support

00:45:13.880 of Israel.

00:45:14.860 So for his home country

00:45:16.120 to accept aid

00:45:17.640 from a foreign nation,

00:45:19.320 not only a foreign nation,

00:45:20.400 but a foreign nation

00:45:21.260 of non-Muslims,

00:45:22.620 he's looking at that

00:45:24.020 like, you know,

00:45:25.860 he looks at this

00:45:26.940 as the ultimate betrayal.

00:45:29.240 But of course,

00:45:29.680 Saudi Arabia

00:45:30.180 is being intelligent

00:45:30.980 because it's like,

00:45:31.560 bro, okay,

00:45:32.220 we got some random

00:45:33.140 freedom fighters

00:45:34.180 that beat the Soviets

00:45:35.440 with U.S. aid.

00:45:36.280 But bro,

00:45:36.980 why are we going to use y'all

00:45:37.880 when the United States

00:45:38.740 is offering to help us?

00:45:39.900 And you guys are probably wondering,

00:45:40.780 why is the United States

00:45:41.620 protecting Saudi Arabia?

00:45:43.480 Well, guys,

00:45:43.960 because of the petrodollar.

00:45:45.540 I mean,

00:45:45.720 the United States

00:45:46.400 went into,

00:45:47.900 had an agreement

00:45:48.480 with the Saudis

00:45:50.660 since the 70s,

00:45:51.480 I think during the Nixon era,

00:45:52.540 if I'm not mistaken,

00:45:53.560 where they basically promised

00:45:54.940 to protect the royal family

00:45:56.740 in exchange

00:45:57.860 that they do

00:45:58.880 all their oil transactions

00:46:00.800 in U.S. dollars.

00:46:02.580 And that, my friends,

00:46:03.380 is what has led

00:46:04.560 and kept the United States

00:46:05.700 at the top

00:46:06.520 of the socioeconomic list,

00:46:11.060 okay,

00:46:11.420 the totem pole,

00:46:12.700 so to speak,

00:46:13.340 or the food chain.

00:46:14.300 Because when everyone

00:46:15.600 has to do

00:46:16.160 all their transactions

00:46:17.140 in dollars

00:46:17.840 to get oil,

00:46:18.680 something as precious as oil,

00:46:20.200 guess what?

00:46:20.940 That instantly creates

00:46:22.360 a high demand for dollars.

00:46:24.180 And since there's

00:46:24.620 a high demand in dollars

00:46:25.660 and all countries

00:46:26.840 are doing transactions

00:46:27.780 in dollars

00:46:28.280 for a commodity

00:46:28.980 that they need,

00:46:29.540 like oil,

00:46:30.180 that puts the U.S.

00:46:31.180 in a very strong position.

00:46:32.880 And they can only

00:46:34.000 maintain that position

00:46:34.940 by protecting Saudi Arabia.

00:46:37.400 So for obvious reasons,

00:46:38.720 when Iraq invaded Kuwait,

00:46:41.240 they went to the United States

00:46:42.780 for assistance

00:46:43.700 versus Osama Bin Laden.

00:46:45.480 He looked at this

00:46:46.180 as a huge insult.

00:46:48.540 Geopolitics,

00:46:49.120 very important to know, guys.

00:46:50.880 Dick Cheney's offer

00:46:51.920 of American military assistance.

00:46:55.140 Bin Laden was furious

00:46:56.040 and started speaking out

00:46:57.480 against the Saudi government,

00:46:59.260 arguing that the Quran

00:47:00.280 prohibited non-Muslims

00:47:01.640 from setting foot

00:47:02.520 in the Arabian Peninsula

00:47:04.060 and that the two holiest

00:47:06.080 trines of Islam,

00:47:07.500 Mecca and Medina,

00:47:08.880 the cities in which

00:47:09.720 the Prophet Muhammad

00:47:10.480 received and recited

00:47:11.700 Allah's message,

00:47:13.080 should only be defended

00:47:13.940 by Muslims.

00:47:14.680 And this is an example

00:47:16.660 of his extremism.

00:47:17.860 You know,

00:47:18.140 he thinks,

00:47:18.640 oh,

00:47:18.940 they're infidels,

00:47:19.760 they're kafidists,

00:47:20.520 we would say in Arabic.

00:47:21.520 They can't help,

00:47:22.720 which,

00:47:23.440 I mean,

00:47:23.880 bro,

00:47:24.160 that's not necessarily true,

00:47:25.780 but this is his

00:47:26.440 extremely strict interpretation

00:47:28.260 of the Quran

00:47:28.980 and this is what extremists do.

00:47:30.060 They take it

00:47:30.480 to the next level.

00:47:31.420 Saudi government

00:47:32.700 warned Bin Laden

00:47:33.540 about his criticism

00:47:34.500 of the royal family,

00:47:35.820 but he ignored their advice

00:47:37.140 and continued with his runs.

00:47:39.560 Bin Laden's refusal

00:47:40.420 to comply

00:47:41.100 meant that the royal family

00:47:42.380 limited his freedom,

00:47:44.140 ordering him to stay

00:47:44.920 within the Saudi kingdom.

00:47:51.480 So,

00:47:52.060 in response to this,

00:47:52.840 what does he do?

00:47:53.480 He moves to Sudan

00:47:54.420 in the early 90s.

00:47:55.980 In 1991,

00:48:01.620 Bin Laden left Saudi Arabia

00:48:03.000 after convincing

00:48:03.900 one of the royals

00:48:04.760 to approve

00:48:05.340 a one-off trip to Pakistan

00:48:06.660 to close down

00:48:07.800 his business there.

00:48:08.940 He promised to return,

00:48:10.200 but instead moved first

00:48:11.280 to Afghanistan

00:48:11.880 before relocating

00:48:13.220 to Sudan in 1992.

00:48:15.780 He was accompanied

00:48:16.360 to Sudan

00:48:16.900 by a security detail

00:48:18.200 whose weapon arsenal

00:48:19.760 included SA-7s,

00:48:21.280 Stinger missiles,

00:48:22.240 AK-47s,

00:48:23.700 RPGs,

00:48:24.500 and PK machine guns.

00:48:26.760 Whilst in Sudan,

00:48:28.040 Bin Laden gains approval

00:48:29.240 from the Sudanese government

00:48:30.460 to set up many businesses

00:48:31.760 and he established

00:48:33.000 a new base

00:48:33.660 for his Al-Qaeda operations

00:48:35.060 in Khartoum

00:48:36.060 and began moving

00:48:37.360 more and more

00:48:37.840 Afghan veterans

00:48:38.560 from Pakistan,

00:48:39.640 who he hired

00:48:40.860 to work in his businesses

00:48:41.980 as well as preparing them

00:48:43.380 for future missions.

00:48:44.120 And just so you guys know,

00:48:45.140 Sudan,

00:48:45.720 that's where my family's from.

00:48:47.040 It's an Arab-speaking country,

00:48:48.580 Muslim-Arab-speaking country

00:48:49.780 in North Africa.

00:48:51.340 At the time,

00:48:52.060 it was just Sudan.

00:48:53.020 There was no such thing

00:48:53.680 as a North and South Sudan.

00:48:54.680 Obviously, nowadays,

00:48:55.340 there's a North and South.

00:48:56.440 But at the time,

00:48:57.120 Sudan was the biggest country

00:48:58.060 in Africa

00:48:58.540 with a very strong

00:49:00.300 Islamic base.

00:49:01.820 It was pretty much

00:49:02.380 the main religion

00:49:04.660 practice in the country.

00:49:06.500 And my parents

00:49:07.440 are actually from Khartoum,

00:49:08.480 which is the capital

00:49:09.180 of Sudan.

00:49:12.320 Other militant groups

00:49:13.560 also began to congregate

00:49:14.920 in Sudan

00:49:15.320 to join bin Laden's Al-Qaeda,

00:49:17.420 including Al-Jihadi

00:49:18.440 and Al-Ghamas,

00:49:20.180 Al-Islamiyya.

00:49:21.480 All three militant groups

00:49:22.620 came together

00:49:23.280 for the purpose

00:49:24.040 of restoring Islamic Jihad.

00:49:25.960 Their goal

00:49:26.500 was for the world

00:49:27.160 to be ruled by Islam.

00:49:29.260 Bin Laden was also being linked

00:49:30.740 with Egyptian Islamic Jihad.

00:49:32.600 Now you guys can see

00:49:33.640 where the extremism

00:49:34.380 is starting to kick.

00:49:35.100 So he gets ostracized

00:49:36.060 by his own country.

00:49:36.960 They pretty much,

00:49:38.540 you know,

00:49:39.640 tell him you're exiled.

00:49:40.760 And he says,

00:49:42.240 fuck it.

00:49:42.560 And he goes to Sudan

00:49:43.520 to conduct his operations.

00:49:45.900 Jay,

00:49:46.680 which later made up

00:49:47.840 the core of Al-Qaeda.

00:49:50.440 Bin Laden bought

00:49:51.600 a large 22-bed house

00:49:53.360 in Al-Mashtal Street

00:49:55.000 in the affluent

00:49:56.200 Al-Rehad quarter,

00:49:57.900 as well as a retreat

00:49:58.800 in Soba

00:49:59.420 on the Blue Nile.

00:50:01.080 He later moved

00:50:01.740 all of his wives

00:50:02.400 and children

00:50:02.880 to the country.

00:50:05.120 During his time

00:50:06.060 in Sudan,

00:50:06.560 Bin Laden

00:50:07.220 heavily invested

00:50:08.080 in infrastructure,

00:50:09.240 agriculture

00:50:09.740 and other businesses.

00:50:11.700 Many of his laborers

00:50:12.540 were the same fighters

00:50:13.480 who had been his comrades

00:50:14.600 in the war

00:50:15.100 against the Soviet Union.

00:50:17.340 He was known

00:50:17.920 to be generous

00:50:18.500 to the poor

00:50:19.100 and was popular

00:50:19.920 with the Sudanese people.

00:50:21.820 However,

00:50:22.220 he continued to criticize

00:50:23.260 King Fahad

00:50:24.060 of Saudi Arabia

00:50:24.920 and in response

00:50:25.900 in 1994,

00:50:27.440 Fahad stripped Bin Laden

00:50:28.420 of his Saudi citizenship

00:50:29.560 I'm persuaded.

00:50:30.720 Oh, shit.

00:50:32.720 Oh, shit.

00:50:33.680 Oh, shit.

00:50:34.380 Now, he went from

00:50:35.700 and guys,

00:50:37.020 I want you to understand

00:50:37.660 the gravity of this.

00:50:38.940 So he's born

00:50:40.480 to one of the richest families

00:50:42.360 outside of royalty

00:50:43.320 in Saudi Arabia.

00:50:44.820 His father

00:50:45.440 builds a $5 billion

00:50:47.700 at the time

00:50:49.440 of his death,

00:50:49.980 by the way,

00:50:50.740 which in today's dollars

00:50:51.740 is about $44 billion

00:50:52.940 construction company

00:50:54.600 in Saudi Arabia

00:50:55.280 where they pretty much

00:50:56.120 do a whole bunch

00:50:57.100 of construction

00:50:57.640 on behalf of the royal family.

00:50:59.360 They win most

00:50:59.740 of the contracts.

00:51:00.440 His father dies.

00:51:01.260 He inherits $25 million.

00:51:03.740 He becomes more and more

00:51:05.100 of a devout Muslim,

00:51:06.280 starts to edge

00:51:07.280 on the side of extremism,

00:51:08.820 joins up with Azzam,

00:51:10.240 becomes a freedom fighter,

00:51:11.960 gives support,

00:51:13.240 money,

00:51:14.100 resources

00:51:14.580 to freedom fighters

00:51:16.000 that go to Afghanistan

00:51:17.140 to fight out

00:51:17.740 the Soviets in 1979.

00:51:19.460 He ends up

00:51:20.320 getting the Soviets

00:51:21.200 to leave

00:51:21.840 years later.

00:51:23.720 He's looked at

00:51:24.480 as a war hero.

00:51:25.740 He is loved

00:51:27.640 in his home country

00:51:28.720 of Saudi Arabia.

00:51:29.420 He's loved by Muslims

00:51:30.020 all over the world

00:51:30.660 because him

00:51:31.320 and other freedom fighters

00:51:32.480 have fought off

00:51:33.040 the powerful Soviets

00:51:34.000 with the U.S. dollar

00:51:34.940 and U.S. help,

00:51:36.280 by the way.

00:51:37.120 So Saddam Hussein decides,

00:51:38.600 let me go ahead

00:51:39.160 and invade Kuwait.

00:51:40.500 Instead of utilizing

00:51:41.620 Osama bin Laden

00:51:42.420 as his guerrilla army

00:51:44.180 to fight off

00:51:45.480 the Iraqis,

00:51:47.180 the Saudi royalty,

00:51:50.220 intelligently so,

00:51:50.900 by the way,

00:51:51.280 uses the Americans

00:51:52.700 to go ahead

00:51:53.500 and fight them off.

00:51:54.200 Osama looks at this

00:51:54.960 as a huge insult,

00:51:56.280 so Osama starts

00:51:57.000 to criticize

00:51:57.580 the Saudi government.

00:51:58.820 Well, anyone

00:51:59.280 that knows anything

00:52:00.000 about geopolitics

00:52:00.880 knows that criticizing

00:52:01.740 the Saudi government

00:52:02.500 is probably not

00:52:03.220 in your best interest.

00:52:03.940 That's why

00:52:04.300 that other Saudi Arabian

00:52:05.940 citizen,

00:52:07.320 I forget his name,

00:52:07.880 but he got killed

00:52:08.460 in the Saudi Arabian

00:52:10.380 consulate in Turkey.

00:52:13.480 I forget the guy's name.

00:52:14.380 I can't remember.

00:52:14.920 I'll Google it here

00:52:15.700 in a second.

00:52:16.280 But I watched

00:52:16.680 the documentary on that

00:52:17.380 and I'm aware

00:52:17.780 of that as well.

00:52:18.500 But the Saudi government

00:52:20.620 does not do well

00:52:21.440 with criticism.

00:52:22.100 So what do they do?

00:52:22.780 They say,

00:52:23.080 you know what?

00:52:23.360 We don't give a fuck

00:52:24.020 about who your father is.

00:52:25.220 We don't care that he built up

00:52:26.420 a large infrastructure

00:52:27.720 of Saudi Arabia.

00:52:29.660 We're stripping you

00:52:30.480 of your Saudi Arabian

00:52:31.360 citizenship.

00:52:32.260 You're done.

00:52:33.220 And just so you guys know,

00:52:34.040 by the way,

00:52:34.500 and I know this

00:52:35.020 because I have family

00:52:35.800 that was born in Saudi Arabia,

00:52:36.780 et cetera,

00:52:37.100 it's extremely difficult

00:52:38.160 to get Saudi Arabian

00:52:39.100 citizenship.

00:52:40.020 Keep in mind,

00:52:40.960 he is not technically,

00:52:42.820 his family isn't technically

00:52:43.860 from Saudi Arabia.

00:52:45.080 They're Yemenis, guys.

00:52:45.960 So he went from revered,

00:52:50.060 respected,

00:52:51.400 damn near folklore hero

00:52:52.980 fighting off the Soviets

00:52:54.740 to now he's been stripped

00:52:56.720 of his citizenship

00:52:57.880 from his own home country

00:52:59.380 and pretty much exiled

00:53:01.300 and he's living in Sudan.

00:53:02.960 So that show you guys

00:53:04.580 the rise to prominence

00:53:06.560 and now what we're starting now

00:53:08.100 is the descent.

00:53:11.360 Let's keep going.

00:53:12.960 Hope you guys are enjoying

00:53:13.660 the pod, man.

00:53:14.220 This stuff is,

00:53:14.700 a lot of people don't know

00:53:15.500 the stuff about Bin Laden

00:53:16.340 and I think it was

00:53:16.920 very important for y'all

00:53:18.000 to see who the man was

00:53:19.580 before we get into,

00:53:20.620 you know,

00:53:21.480 how the CIA was able

00:53:23.860 to track him,

00:53:24.400 et cetera,

00:53:24.580 because this all led up

00:53:25.640 to his radicalization

00:53:26.480 which obviously led

00:53:27.340 to 9-11.

00:53:28.320 He wasn't always a sick fuck

00:53:29.460 but he morphed into that,

00:53:30.860 let the power get to his head.

00:53:32.780 ...his family to cut off

00:53:33.920 his $7 million a year allowance.

00:53:36.600 In response to this,

00:53:37.660 the Sudanese government

00:53:38.440 granted Bin Laden

00:53:39.360 and his family

00:53:40.020 Sudanese citizens...

00:53:41.040 $7 million a year

00:53:42.380 in the 90s.

00:53:43.420 Let me see what that is today.

00:53:44.740 ...smanship

00:53:45.160 on passports.

00:53:46.860 Bin Laden arranged...

00:53:47.700 And that was former

00:53:48.300 President Umar Bashir

00:53:49.140 by the way back then

00:53:50.000 and that's what

00:53:50.680 a Sudanese passport

00:53:52.560 looks like

00:53:52.920 and I don't know this

00:53:53.500 because I only know this

00:53:54.240 because of my parents

00:53:54.800 but yeah.

00:53:56.500 ...for the passports

00:53:57.400 to be issued

00:53:57.960 with fake names.

00:54:00.020 Around this time,

00:54:01.080 Osama's second wife,

00:54:02.840 Khadija,

00:54:03.500 asked for a divorce.

00:54:05.240 Osama agreed

00:54:05.880 and she left Sudan

00:54:06.960 with the three children

00:54:07.920 and moved back to Saudi.

00:54:10.040 After the divorce,

00:54:11.080 Osama married

00:54:11.700 his fifth wife.

00:54:12.960 However,

00:54:13.220 the marriage

00:54:13.680 was annulled shortly.

00:54:14.720 Just so y'all know,

00:54:15.920 $7 million in 1990

00:54:17.640 roughly was the equivalent

00:54:19.120 of $15,896,373.

00:54:23.380 So that means

00:54:24.740 he was making

00:54:25.500 damn near

00:54:26.600 1.15

00:54:28.920 divided by 12.

00:54:30.980 He was making

00:54:31.400 $1.8 million

00:54:32.200 a month

00:54:33.180 back in the

00:54:34.160 fucking 90s, guys.

00:54:35.680 Oh shit!

00:54:36.320 Oh shit!

00:54:36.700 That just goes

00:54:37.280 to tell you

00:54:38.000 how wealthy

00:54:38.960 his family

00:54:39.520 really was.

00:54:41.420 ...the after

00:54:41.820 for unknown reasons.

00:54:47.180 Okay.

00:54:47.980 Now the attacks

00:54:48.980 actually begin.

00:54:53.120 On December 29th,

00:54:54.700 1992,

00:54:55.640 there was a terrorist

00:54:56.300 attack in Aden,

00:54:57.200 Yemen

00:54:57.420 on a hotel

00:54:58.260 that was used

00:54:58.940 by American troops.

00:55:00.680 On that day,

00:55:01.620 however,

00:55:02.080 there were no soldiers

00:55:02.860 staying there

00:55:03.520 and two Austrian tourists

00:55:05.200 were killed in the attack.

00:55:07.240 Terrorism experts

00:55:08.020 believe this was

00:55:08.880 the first attack

00:55:09.640 carried out by Bin Laden

00:55:10.700 and his Al-Qaeda organization,

00:55:12.880 although it's never

00:55:13.420 been proved.

00:55:15.100 On the 26th of February,

00:55:16.580 1993,

00:55:17.600 the World Trade Center

00:55:18.400 in New York

00:55:18.880 was bombed.

00:55:20.320 Six people are killed

00:55:21.260 and over 1,000 injured.

00:55:23.180 Now,

00:55:23.680 the World Trade Center

00:55:24.280 bombing, guys,

00:55:24.880 which we're going to link

00:55:25.500 a little bit later.

00:55:26.700 Now,

00:55:26.900 just so y'all know,

00:55:28.040 I went ahead

00:55:28.800 and did a whole podcast

00:55:30.260 on that because I knew

00:55:31.480 we were going to cover 9-11

00:55:32.560 for you guys

00:55:33.160 to actually understand.

00:55:34.140 9-11 100%.

00:55:36.420 You should definitely

00:55:38.300 watch this episode

00:55:39.080 right here.

00:55:40.460 This is the 1993

00:55:41.580 World Trade Center

00:55:42.600 bombing,

00:55:43.680 the foreshadow

00:55:44.260 of 9-11

00:55:44.800 and this was basically

00:55:46.380 a terrorist attack

00:55:48.160 that occurred in 93

00:55:48.860 at the bottom

00:55:49.380 of the parking garage

00:55:50.340 of the World Trade Center

00:55:51.540 back in 93

00:55:52.940 and one of the,

00:55:54.000 basically the mastermind

00:55:55.100 behind it

00:55:55.640 was the nephew

00:55:56.580 of the mastermind

00:55:58.180 of the 9-11 attacks

00:55:59.580 which I explained

00:56:00.300 in the 9-11 episode

00:56:02.000 right here.

00:56:04.140 which we dropped

00:56:05.660 last week.

00:56:06.620 So watch,

00:56:07.560 guys,

00:56:07.860 so you could get

00:56:08.300 a full understanding

00:56:09.020 of 9-11,

00:56:09.760 Bin Laden and Al-Qaeda

00:56:10.840 and everything else

00:56:11.440 like that.

00:56:12.140 You're going to want

00:56:12.620 to watch this,

00:56:13.760 former Fed explains 9-11

00:56:14.940 and you're going to want

00:56:15.700 to watch the 1993

00:56:17.080 World Trade Center

00:56:17.820 bombing pod

00:56:18.500 and that's going

00:56:19.220 to explain for you

00:56:20.080 and bring everything

00:56:20.860 to full circle

00:56:21.640 about what happened

00:56:23.820 surrounding 9-11

00:56:25.860 and all the events

00:56:26.600 prior and after.

00:56:30.980 It's believed the attack

00:56:32.120 had links to Al-Qaeda.

00:56:33.660 Which it did.

00:56:34.120 That was confirmed

00:56:34.660 in 93 World Trade Center

00:56:36.140 bombing did have links

00:56:36.960 to Al-Qaeda

00:56:37.340 because Ramzi Youssef,

00:56:39.260 the orchestrator

00:56:40.180 of that attack

00:56:41.020 was the nephew

00:56:45.960 of Khalid Sheikh

00:56:47.760 who was the mastermind

00:56:49.060 of the 9-11 attacks

00:56:50.640 and those attacks

00:56:52.480 were funded

00:56:53.020 through Bin Laden.

00:56:54.780 But KSB

00:56:55.980 was the actual

00:56:56.840 mastermind

00:56:58.020 that had the idea

00:56:58.860 of flying planes

00:57:00.000 into the towers.

00:57:02.120 And just for you

00:57:02.660 conspiracy theorists

00:57:03.420 out there

00:57:03.720 because I know

00:57:04.020 you guys are out there

00:57:04.640 saying that's not true,

00:57:05.920 I am definitely going

00:57:06.780 to also do

00:57:07.540 at the end

00:57:07.960 of this series

00:57:08.600 a breakdown

00:57:09.980 of all the conspiracy theories

00:57:12.260 on the 9-11 situation

00:57:14.840 as well.

00:57:15.460 You know,

00:57:15.640 trying to be objective

00:57:16.200 here with all the facts.

00:57:17.100 Giving you everything

00:57:17.780 and going to present it

00:57:19.200 to you guys

00:57:19.480 and you guys can go ahead

00:57:20.260 and make your decision

00:57:20.840 after the fact.

00:57:23.200 But Bin Laden

00:57:24.020 was never charged.

00:57:26.000 In October 1993,

00:57:27.820 the U.S. government

00:57:28.540 humanitarian mission

00:57:29.700 in Mogadishu, Somalia

00:57:31.260 was ambushed

00:57:32.480 and 18 U.S. soldiers

00:57:33.680 were killed.

00:57:35.220 After the attack,

00:57:36.340 Bin Laden admits

00:57:37.160 that his fighters

00:57:37.840 were involved.

00:57:39.980 In 1995,

00:57:41.320 the EIJ

00:57:41.980 attempted to assassinate

00:57:43.200 the Egyptian president,

00:57:44.880 Hosni Mubarak.

00:57:46.340 So now all these events

00:57:47.400 are starting to get linked

00:57:48.160 back to Bin Laden,

00:57:49.780 right?

00:57:50.060 So you guys can see

00:57:50.760 he's starting to actually

00:57:52.520 take physical action

00:57:54.400 on his beliefs now.

00:57:56.220 The attempt failed

00:57:57.480 and Sudan expelled the EIJ.

00:58:00.520 In the wake of these attacks,

00:58:02.260 the U.S. State Department

00:58:03.280 accused Sudan

00:58:04.140 of being a sponsor

00:58:05.160 of international terrorism

00:58:06.400 and...

00:58:07.400 And that is why

00:58:08.300 when I was an agent, guys,

00:58:09.700 I almost never traveled

00:58:10.880 to Sudan

00:58:11.400 because Sudan

00:58:11.980 was on the watch list

00:58:12.980 since they had shielded

00:58:16.040 Bin Laden

00:58:16.460 back in the early 90s.

00:58:19.240 Because remember, guys,

00:58:20.040 he was already

00:58:20.720 on the U.S.'s radar

00:58:21.660 at this point.

00:58:22.760 And just so y'all know,

00:58:24.080 Bill Clinton

00:58:24.600 had an opportunity

00:58:25.560 to kill him

00:58:26.220 and he admitted this

00:58:26.920 during a board meeting

00:58:27.800 in Australia

00:58:28.300 once he had left the office

00:58:29.440 like a day or so

00:58:30.920 before 9-11,

00:58:32.280 ironically enough.

00:58:33.440 And the reason

00:58:34.380 why he didn't kill Bin Laden

00:58:35.740 when he had the chance

00:58:36.620 was because

00:58:37.560 the intelligence

00:58:39.180 that they had,

00:58:40.160 he was in a farm

00:58:41.480 or like a village area

00:58:42.800 where there was about

00:58:43.920 three to four hundred

00:58:45.080 innocent people there

00:58:46.320 and Bill Clinton

00:58:47.740 didn't want to hit them

00:58:48.720 with a drone strike

00:58:49.520 and kill a bunch

00:58:50.540 of innocent people

00:58:51.280 to get Bin Laden.

00:58:52.400 So he let him go.

00:58:54.860 Which, you know,

00:58:55.280 obviously, you know,

00:58:56.620 that's why they call you

00:58:57.420 commander-in-chief

00:58:58.040 and it's one of the most

00:58:58.740 stressful jobs

00:58:59.340 because you look at

00:58:59.960 any president

00:59:00.380 that takes office,

00:59:01.460 you know,

00:59:01.920 look at him

00:59:02.540 four years after the fact

00:59:03.640 or look at him

00:59:04.120 eight years after the fact

00:59:04.960 that he gets two terms

00:59:05.680 and you'll see the age

00:59:06.760 in their face, man.

00:59:08.460 It's really bad.

00:59:09.120 I'll show you guys

00:59:09.580 an example of this

00:59:10.320 here in a second.

00:59:11.580 Bin Laden

00:59:11.880 of operating terrorists.

00:59:15.500 Can you imagine

00:59:15.800 making that decision,

00:59:16.640 you know,

00:59:17.260 kill a terrorist

00:59:17.960 and kill innocent people

00:59:18.740 in the process

00:59:19.320 or, you know,

00:59:20.500 let them live

00:59:21.020 and risk him

00:59:21.560 potentially attacking

00:59:22.220 your country?

00:59:22.760 That's tough, man.

00:59:23.760 I don't know

00:59:24.140 if I'd be able to sleep

00:59:24.900 with myself

00:59:25.940 with either decision.

00:59:27.640 First training comes

00:59:28.760 in the Sudanese desert.

00:59:31.040 In 1995,

00:59:32.320 Osama Bin Laden

00:59:33.000 wrote to King Fyad

00:59:34.220 of Saudi Arabia

00:59:35.160 calling for a campaign

00:59:36.280 of insurgent attacks

00:59:37.480 in the kingdom

00:59:38.460 against the US forces

00:59:39.700 still stationed there.

00:59:41.680 Shortly after,

00:59:42.600 in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia,

00:59:44.200 there is a truck bombing

00:59:45.760 at a US-operated

00:59:46.880 Saudi National Guards

00:59:48.000 training center.

00:59:49.540 Five Americans

00:59:50.200 and two Indians

00:59:51.000 are killed.

00:59:52.760 Bin Laden

00:59:53.180 denies responsibility

00:59:54.280 but praises the attackers.

00:59:57.240 By now,

00:59:58.520 despite the Sudanese government

00:59:59.660 being uncooperative,

01:00:01.080 US intelligence

01:00:01.780 started monitoring

01:00:02.700 Bin Laden

01:00:03.220 in Sudan.

01:00:04.480 Bam.

01:00:04.840 So they start

01:00:05.400 figuring out

01:00:06.540 what he's doing,

01:00:07.900 what he's up to.

01:00:08.800 Just to give you guys

01:00:09.540 an example,

01:00:10.700 look at this

01:00:11.560 right here.

01:00:15.300 Hold on.

01:00:16.600 I don't know

01:00:16.900 if y'all can see that.

01:00:21.980 My bad, guys.

01:00:22.880 God damn it.

01:00:35.480 Sorry, guys.

01:00:36.140 Bear with me here.

01:00:36.800 I think I closed.

01:00:39.100 Well, I didn't close it,

01:00:40.080 but all right.

01:00:40.960 There we go.

01:00:41.920 So let me stop screen.

01:00:45.520 Share screen real quick.

01:00:46.660 This is what George Bush

01:00:52.020 looked like, guys,

01:00:52.860 in 2000 versus 2008.

01:00:54.480 Y'all can see

01:00:55.160 the wear and tear

01:00:56.700 on him, man.

01:00:57.460 Let me see if I can

01:00:57.900 enlarge this.

01:00:58.940 Look at that, guys.

01:01:00.500 That's what being

01:01:00.980 president does to you, man.

01:01:03.360 Holy, man.

01:01:04.880 Oh, shit.

01:01:05.600 Oh, shit.

01:01:06.080 Great that he had

01:01:06.280 one of the most stressful

01:01:07.000 presidencies of all time,

01:01:08.300 you know,

01:01:08.780 taking office

01:01:09.500 and then pretty much

01:01:10.060 getting hit with the

01:01:10.660 worst terrorist attack

01:01:11.340 of all time.

01:01:12.160 But, you know,

01:01:13.280 that's what being

01:01:13.980 a president does to you.

01:01:16.660 All right.

01:01:17.100 Let's get back

01:01:17.660 to the documentary here.

01:01:20.980 Sorry about that

01:01:21.660 little hiccup there, guys.

01:01:23.440 We'll get back

01:01:24.140 to the sauce.

01:01:33.620 Sorry, guys.

01:01:34.340 Delay.

01:01:35.160 All right.

01:01:35.500 Cool.

01:01:35.780 We're back.

01:01:36.660 Using operatives

01:01:37.400 to run by daily

01:01:38.360 and photograph activities

01:01:40.120 at his compound.

01:01:46.660 OK, so now that we've

01:01:49.160 pretty much went over

01:01:50.040 his background, guys,

01:01:51.560 we're going to go ahead

01:01:52.260 and start getting into

01:01:53.320 him being on the CIA's radar

01:01:56.120 and what led up to him

01:01:58.360 being caught and captured.

01:02:00.160 OK, this comes from

01:02:01.480 Manhunt,

01:02:02.480 which is a documentary

01:02:03.760 that tracked the

01:02:05.180 the movements

01:02:07.220 and capture of bin Laden

01:02:09.000 as told by CIA,

01:02:10.580 you know, employees

01:02:12.420 that worked at the time.

01:02:13.400 One of them is

01:02:13.920 is a CIA essentially

01:02:15.820 operative, right?

01:02:17.120 That's out here,

01:02:17.580 recruiting sources,

01:02:18.280 et cetera, out there

01:02:18.820 in the field

01:02:19.180 and a couple of analysts.

01:02:21.300 And the woman that you guys

01:02:22.160 are about to hear from

01:02:22.840 right now,

01:02:23.720 her name.

01:02:24.620 Sorry, I wrote this down

01:02:25.720 is

01:02:26.600 Cindy Storer.

01:02:30.460 And she began

01:02:31.120 tracking bin Laden

01:02:31.860 in 1995, guys.

01:02:33.760 So this is her

01:02:34.920 analyzation

01:02:35.900 of

01:02:36.820 kind of

01:02:38.120 the hierarchy

01:02:38.880 of the chart.

01:02:39.400 So during

01:02:42.520 the Afghan-Soviet war,

01:02:43.880 the camps were set up

01:02:44.880 by bin Laden

01:02:45.440 and others

01:02:46.020 to train

01:02:46.680 which we just

01:02:47.120 discussed before

01:02:47.780 in Afghans

01:02:49.620 and people from

01:02:50.240 who came from

01:02:50.780 all over the world

01:02:51.360 to go and fight

01:02:52.120 against the Soviets.

01:02:58.040 Towards the end

01:02:59.000 of the war,

01:03:00.620 some of these camps

01:03:01.500 got converted over

01:03:02.700 into urban guerrilla

01:03:03.840 warfare

01:03:04.460 camps.

01:03:06.220 And this was as

01:03:07.280 what we now know

01:03:08.180 was Al-Qaeda.

01:03:08.980 We're taking over

01:03:09.620 some of these camps

01:03:10.500 and they were starting

01:03:11.240 to train people

01:03:12.220 to conduct

01:03:12.940 urban guerrilla warfare

01:03:13.980 in various countries

01:03:15.120 like Egypt and Algeria.

01:03:17.460 And I'm really glad

01:03:18.380 they brought this woman

01:03:19.040 because she's pretty much

01:03:20.180 the subject matter expert

01:03:21.220 when it comes to bin Laden.

01:03:22.320 And you guys are going

01:03:22.900 to see here

01:03:23.480 that she did quite a bit

01:03:25.120 of work

01:03:25.720 that the higher-ups

01:03:27.180 over at the CIA

01:03:28.020 and the White House

01:03:28.980 ignored.

01:03:33.900 One of the prominent

01:03:34.920 figures in the training

01:03:36.180 camps in Afghanistan

01:03:37.060 is a gentleman

01:03:38.600 who went by

01:03:39.620 the door name

01:03:40.080 of Abu Zubaydah.

01:03:42.220 And for you guys

01:03:42.720 that are wondering,

01:03:43.380 we talked about

01:03:43.940 Abu Zubaydah

01:03:44.580 in the other podcast

01:03:46.900 where the FBI

01:03:47.580 had done interviews

01:03:48.280 with him

01:03:48.700 and gotten information

01:03:49.480 were able to identify

01:03:50.360 other key conspirators

01:03:51.520 in the 9-11

01:03:52.180 hijackings.

01:03:54.440 He was definitely

01:03:55.080 running parts

01:03:56.200 of the camp's network.

01:03:57.240 So now it's

01:04:02.580 after the war

01:04:03.320 in the early 90s,

01:04:04.980 we started to get

01:04:06.460 all these reports

01:04:07.300 about things

01:04:08.320 blowing up

01:04:08.900 all over the world.

01:04:09.780 Which we just

01:04:10.540 discussed earlier

01:04:11.280 with, you know,

01:04:13.060 what happened

01:04:13.860 in those foreign countries

01:04:15.060 a minute ago,

01:04:16.400 right,

01:04:16.620 where bin Laden

01:04:17.880 didn't necessarily

01:04:18.440 take full credit

01:04:19.920 of it,

01:04:20.380 but he was sympathizing

01:04:22.380 or had cryptic messages

01:04:23.780 when asked about it.

01:04:25.660 So, you know,

01:04:26.800 he even admitted

01:04:27.280 that some of the people

01:04:28.000 that were killed

01:04:28.560 in Somalia

01:04:29.360 were his freedom fighters,

01:04:31.860 quote unquote.

01:04:32.840 So now he's

01:04:34.240 on the CIA's radar

01:04:35.140 and this woman

01:04:35.780 was involved

01:04:36.260 in tracking him

01:04:37.000 and yeah,

01:04:38.660 we'll see what

01:04:38.980 she was able to work up.

01:04:40.460 Who were from people

01:04:41.260 who had fought

01:04:41.880 in Afghanistan.

01:04:45.600 So that's when

01:04:46.340 we started to say

01:04:46.880 to ourselves,

01:04:47.400 what is going on here?

01:04:49.580 You know,

01:04:49.760 let's try to figure out

01:04:50.760 is there some kind

01:04:51.740 of an organization?

01:04:52.760 Is it a social movement?

01:04:53.700 What is it?

01:04:55.660 And we're starting

01:04:58.260 to warn,

01:04:59.080 look,

01:04:59.280 this is going

01:04:59.720 to be a problem.

01:05:02.980 And we actually

01:05:03.820 issued some of that

01:05:04.700 warning before

01:05:05.740 the first World Trade Center

01:05:06.900 bombing.

01:05:08.800 Bam.

01:05:09.440 So again,

01:05:10.680 he was on their radar

01:05:11.640 in the early 90s.

01:05:12.620 They were already

01:05:13.340 giving warnings

01:05:13.900 prior to 1993.

01:05:15.200 And this individual

01:05:16.000 right here to the left,

01:05:16.800 guys,

01:05:17.060 is Ramzi Youssef,

01:05:18.640 the mastermind

01:05:19.660 of the 1993

01:05:20.420 World Trade Center

01:05:20.980 bombings.

01:05:21.340 Again,

01:05:29.060 for more information

01:05:29.640 on this stuff,

01:05:30.180 guys,

01:05:30.380 so it makes more sense,

01:05:31.200 go watch my

01:05:31.780 World Trade Center,

01:05:32.740 a 93 World Trade Center

01:05:33.680 bombing video.

01:05:34.460 This will put everything

01:05:35.520 into perspective

01:05:36.080 so you can see

01:05:36.520 the full picture

01:05:37.000 of 9-11.

01:05:45.460 Ramzi Youssef,

01:05:46.580 I'm sure everybody knows

01:05:47.620 from the first

01:05:48.040 World Trade Center

01:05:48.620 attack.

01:05:49.220 He is the cousin

01:05:51.640 slash nephew

01:05:52.480 of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.

01:05:53.800 And the attack

01:05:54.700 was partly funded.

01:05:55.460 Bam.

01:05:55.740 And there's KSM

01:05:56.400 right there.

01:05:57.000 And this was the

01:05:57.660 mastermind

01:05:58.120 of the 9-11 attacks.

01:06:00.060 And he was the one

01:06:01.040 that came up

01:06:01.460 with the idea

01:06:01.980 of flying planes

01:06:02.900 into the towers.

01:06:05.260 By Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.

01:06:08.260 The same year,

01:06:09.520 there is the incident

01:06:10.740 referred to as

01:06:11.280 the Black Hawk Down

01:06:11.860 incident.

01:06:16.020 Osama pretty much

01:06:17.460 indirectly took

01:06:18.980 credit saying

01:06:19.620 that some

01:06:19.960 of his

01:06:20.180 freedom fighters

01:06:20.720 were involved

01:06:21.280 in the death

01:06:21.800 of those soldiers.

01:06:23.140 We didn't learn

01:06:23.720 until later

01:06:24.660 the extent

01:06:25.380 to which

01:06:25.820 Al-Qaeda

01:06:26.160 at least

01:06:26.460 was involved.

01:06:35.340 These plots

01:06:36.200 are multiple

01:06:37.440 nationalities.

01:06:38.820 This is not

01:06:39.440 your typical

01:06:40.000 events, right?

01:06:41.840 We can't pin this

01:06:42.580 on any one terrorist

01:06:43.620 group.

01:06:44.740 What's going on

01:06:45.680 here?

01:06:51.200 Oh, I mean,

01:06:51.940 it was Bin Laden.

01:06:52.740 There was no doubt

01:06:53.480 that the common

01:06:54.380 purpose had to be

01:06:55.240 Bin Laden.

01:06:56.500 All of a sudden,

01:06:57.240 it just hit me that

01:06:58.300 this is a bureaucracy.

01:06:59.880 So, by 1998,

01:07:07.200 we're able to say

01:07:08.320 with confidence,

01:07:09.140 this is a worldwide

01:07:09.760 terrorist organization.

01:07:11.080 Bin Laden is the

01:07:11.640 head of this

01:07:11.980 organization.

01:07:13.200 Their goal is

01:07:14.180 global jihadists.

01:07:15.160 See, I heard this.

01:07:16.280 By 1998,

01:07:17.400 they had already

01:07:17.880 pretty much had

01:07:18.520 this stuff all

01:07:19.140 planned out,

01:07:19.660 the CIA.

01:07:21.220 Now, let's see

01:07:21.900 what happens next

01:07:22.600 and what they did

01:07:23.280 with this information.

01:07:23.940 They want to create

01:07:24.800 a global Islamic

01:07:25.700 government.

01:07:26.240 It's not just

01:07:26.840 about Saudi Arabia.

01:07:29.880 There was still

01:07:30.300 some debate

01:07:30.740 about what's

01:07:31.100 called,

01:07:31.340 because some

01:07:31.840 said it was

01:07:32.500 called the

01:07:32.820 Islamic army.

01:07:34.700 It was my

01:07:35.500 analytical judgment

01:07:36.340 that it was

01:07:37.000 called al-Qaeda.

01:07:43.960 So, she writes

01:07:44.720 the first warning

01:07:45.340 to the president

01:07:45.820 about al-Qaeda.

01:07:47.420 Let's look at

01:07:47.960 the dates of when.

01:07:52.360 And that's

01:07:52.900 going to come up

01:07:53.340 later.

01:07:56.220 So, now we're

01:07:56.880 fast-forwarding a

01:07:57.440 little bit here,

01:07:57.840 guys.

01:07:58.040 Or, rewinding

01:08:00.260 in this case.

01:08:01.140 And this is

01:08:01.920 after Osama

01:08:03.020 declares a formal

01:08:04.240 war against

01:08:04.960 the United States

01:08:05.700 and the West

01:08:06.460 for their

01:08:07.560 occupancy

01:08:08.300 of Palestine

01:08:10.040 alongside Israel

01:08:11.080 and the support

01:08:11.940 of Israel

01:08:12.600 in their occupancy,

01:08:13.800 I should say.

01:08:20.840 Peter Bergen

01:08:21.600 right here,

01:08:22.140 famed journalist.

01:08:23.920 In 97,

01:08:24.680 he did Bin Laden's

01:08:25.560 first Western

01:08:26.260 interview, guys.

01:08:28.680 At that time in 97,

01:08:30.280 Osama bin Laden

01:08:30.900 had declared war

01:08:31.700 on the United States

01:08:32.500 in an Arab-language

01:08:33.420 newspaper and no one

01:08:34.340 paid any attention.

01:08:35.940 You know, the case

01:08:36.460 that I made to them

01:08:38.480 was, you know,

01:08:41.140 if you're going to

01:08:41.480 declare war on the

01:08:42.200 United States,

01:08:42.940 don't do it on the

01:08:43.500 BBC, do it on

01:08:44.480 an American network.

01:08:47.120 And, you know,

01:08:47.820 CNN has seen all

01:08:48.720 around the world

01:08:49.340 and this is, you know,

01:08:50.380 and also we have a

01:08:51.060 reputation for being,

01:08:52.020 you know, fair.

01:08:53.400 It was a lengthy

01:08:55.280 process.

01:08:55.800 They were very

01:08:56.140 concerned.

01:08:57.120 Are you agents

01:08:57.660 of the CIA?

01:08:58.480 Will you give

01:08:59.000 Osama bin Laden

01:09:00.140 a fair shake

01:09:00.840 if we allow you

01:09:01.540 to do this interview?

01:09:03.140 Eventually,

01:09:03.660 after a month or so,

01:09:04.820 we got the sort

01:09:05.600 of coded message

01:09:07.080 that we're going

01:09:07.960 to go and see

01:09:08.320 Bin Laden.

01:09:08.720 They picked us up

01:09:25.360 at dusk in a van

01:09:26.940 sort of like this,

01:09:27.980 right?

01:09:30.180 Yeah, very similar

01:09:31.040 to this, yeah.

01:09:31.740 But in the evening,

01:09:32.660 yeah.

01:09:32.840 Yeah, in the evening.

01:09:33.280 Yeah.

01:09:35.860 And then they gave

01:09:36.700 us the sunglasses

01:09:37.560 that had cardboard

01:09:38.980 inside them.

01:09:39.820 Right, a sort

01:09:40.420 of crude blindfold.

01:09:41.560 That's right.

01:09:41.920 And did they put

01:09:42.980 those on immediately

01:09:43.680 on us?

01:09:44.280 Yep, they did.

01:09:44.960 Yeah, that's right.

01:09:48.360 So that goes

01:09:49.140 to show the paranoia

01:09:50.060 that they were

01:09:50.580 dealing with

01:09:51.120 even back then.

01:09:55.720 The interesting

01:09:56.500 thing is that

01:09:56.960 when you go to Kabul,

01:09:58.120 you go through

01:09:58.780 these tunnels.

01:09:59.640 So the fact

01:10:00.080 that we were

01:10:00.440 blindfolded,

01:10:01.640 you could hear,

01:10:02.540 feel the change

01:10:03.200 in air pressure

01:10:03.720 and actually hear

01:10:04.440 the difference in sound

01:10:05.500 through the tunnel.

01:10:07.560 It's amazing

01:10:08.740 how much your

01:10:09.640 sense is heightened

01:10:11.740 when your vision

01:10:13.080 is obstructed

01:10:13.980 or taken away

01:10:15.180 from you.

01:10:15.520 They can hear

01:10:16.020 and feel everything

01:10:16.860 when they're blindfolded.

01:10:21.240 So you had

01:10:21.920 something of a good

01:10:23.320 idea of where

01:10:23.880 we were heading.

01:10:24.760 Yeah.

01:10:27.820 And on the other

01:10:28.600 side of this,

01:10:29.300 this is where

01:10:29.800 Al-Qaeda had

01:10:30.620 its chemical weapons,

01:10:32.200 crude chemical weapons

01:10:33.240 facility.

01:10:39.700 So we got

01:10:41.240 to the,

01:10:41.800 sort of this plateau,

01:10:43.140 right?

01:10:43.760 I think it was

01:10:44.220 about 6,000 feet up

01:10:45.300 maybe or something

01:10:45.900 like that.

01:10:46.180 Something like that,

01:10:46.760 yeah.

01:10:46.820 And there was

01:10:47.100 a small village,

01:10:48.340 the type that would

01:10:48.940 be used by shepherds

01:10:50.240 to put their sheep

01:10:51.220 in at night.

01:10:51.920 Yeah.

01:10:54.920 Peter Arnett

01:10:55.660 was a correspondent.

01:10:56.640 He was,

01:10:56.820 he was at the time,

01:10:59.460 arguably the most

01:11:00.120 famous journalist

01:11:01.120 in the world.

01:11:03.200 They put the

01:11:03.620 carpets down

01:11:04.240 so they made

01:11:04.880 it respectable.

01:11:05.800 Yeah.

01:11:07.140 And then we,

01:11:07.920 as I recall,

01:11:08.520 we waited for

01:11:09.100 some period of time

01:11:09.960 and had some

01:11:11.180 sort of goat-like

01:11:12.180 dinner.

01:11:13.340 That's right,

01:11:13.740 yeah.

01:11:13.960 This is like

01:11:15.520 the hostage video.

01:11:17.180 The hostage video.

01:11:20.720 Do you recall

01:11:21.560 when he came in?

01:11:24.700 Yep.

01:11:26.100 He shook

01:11:26.560 your hand,

01:11:27.060 right?

01:11:27.500 Yep.

01:11:28.060 And do you

01:11:28.280 remember what

01:11:28.680 that felt like?

01:11:29.360 It was

01:11:29.940 sort of like

01:11:31.180 a dead fish.

01:11:31.980 It wasn't

01:11:32.420 a strong grass,

01:11:36.640 cold,

01:11:37.100 a bit like

01:11:37.520 Gulbuddin.

01:11:38.500 I compare it

01:11:39.300 sometimes to

01:11:39.880 a bank manager's

01:11:40.880 shake.

01:11:44.620 Thank you,

01:11:45.260 Mr. Bin Laden.

01:11:46.120 And another thing

01:11:47.100 too,

01:11:47.260 I want to let

01:11:47.640 you all know,

01:11:48.140 and this is me

01:11:48.960 speaking kind of

01:11:49.680 from my experiences

01:11:50.420 growing up as a Muslim,

01:11:52.300 like a lot of

01:11:52.880 religious people,

01:11:53.940 like guys that

01:11:54.440 are super,

01:11:55.220 super devout,

01:11:56.440 they don't really

01:11:56.980 like shaking

01:11:57.540 people's hands

01:11:58.240 that aren't Muslim.

01:11:59.360 So,

01:12:00.240 I'm not surprised

01:12:02.560 that he kind of

01:12:03.120 gave a feeble

01:12:04.660 handshake because

01:12:05.420 guys like this

01:12:06.700 don't respect

01:12:07.180 Westerners in

01:12:07.780 general.

01:12:08.700 So,

01:12:09.140 you know,

01:12:09.780 he's probably

01:12:10.180 doing this

01:12:10.580 interview,

01:12:11.780 you know,

01:12:12.000 they do anything

01:12:12.420 for the clout,

01:12:12.960 as you would say.

01:12:13.680 He was doing

01:12:14.140 this for awareness

01:12:14.740 so that America

01:12:15.760 can know that

01:12:16.880 he's waging a war,

01:12:17.880 which back then,

01:12:18.580 whatever,

01:12:19.300 bro,

01:12:19.420 you're just some

01:12:19.900 fucking nigga in the

01:12:20.560 caves,

01:12:20.780 you don't give a

01:12:21.120 shit.

01:12:21.760 But,

01:12:22.000 you're going to

01:12:23.700 show here in a

01:12:24.260 second why

01:12:24.800 Bin Laden was a

01:12:25.600 threat and the

01:12:26.900 US government did

01:12:27.680 not take him

01:12:28.180 seriously back then.

01:12:29.360 You could tell

01:12:36.440 from his eyes

01:12:37.000 and everything

01:12:37.360 else like that

01:12:37.960 and the awkward

01:12:38.440 smile that he

01:12:39.680 can't speak English

01:12:40.440 despite,

01:12:42.180 you know,

01:12:42.760 spending time in

01:12:43.580 the UK and

01:12:44.400 in the United

01:12:45.860 States.

01:12:46.200 just relax a

01:12:54.640 minute,

01:12:54.920 I think.

01:12:55.340 Just relax now.

01:12:56.560 get my knees

01:13:02.240 I'm not used to

01:13:02.960 this.

01:13:04.560 No question.

01:13:06.080 Yeah,

01:13:06.520 he's used to

01:13:06.920 doing interviews

01:13:07.440 on Al Jazeera

01:13:08.100 where he can

01:13:08.560 speak in Arabic

01:13:09.080 and not have to

01:13:09.540 worry.

01:13:09.840 So for him

01:13:10.280 to sit there

01:13:10.820 with British

01:13:11.280 broadcasters

01:13:11.960 that are,

01:13:12.740 you know,

01:13:13.820 infidels in his

01:13:14.560 eyes,

01:13:14.780 you can see the

01:13:15.840 awkward tension

01:13:16.460 in the air

01:13:16.800 here.

01:13:18.980 Well,

01:13:19.660 Mr. Bin Laden's

01:13:21.060 voice is in

01:13:21.980 good condition.

01:13:24.960 It got better

01:13:25.780 as you got

01:13:26.400 more into the

01:13:28.920 subject as you

01:13:29.760 talked about it.

01:13:30.580 He goes,

01:13:49.200 and, uh,

01:13:50.300 you know what,

01:13:50.640 since we're

01:13:50.900 listening to this

01:13:51.400 on the audio

01:13:51.840 version,

01:13:52.140 let me read

01:13:53.140 what he's saying

01:13:53.680 for y'all.

01:13:56.060 Because we got,

01:13:57.560 we're up on

01:13:57.860 Anchor,

01:13:58.120 by the way,

01:13:58.440 guys,

01:13:58.680 anchor.fm

01:13:59.300 slash

01:13:59.560 1811.

01:14:00.400 So for all

01:14:00.760 my ninjas

01:14:01.480 out there

01:14:01.780 that like

01:14:02.100 to listen

01:14:02.420 to the

01:14:02.680 podcast,

01:14:03.180 I'll

01:14:03.340 translate

01:14:03.620 what he's

01:14:03.920 saying.

01:14:09.880 We believe

01:14:10.580 that getting

01:14:10.880 killed for

01:14:11.300 the cause

01:14:11.720 of Allah

01:14:12.240 is a great

01:14:12.860 honor,

01:14:13.620 wished for

01:14:14.160 by our

01:14:14.540 Prophet Muhammad

01:14:15.140 sallallahu

01:14:15.540 alayhi wa sallam.

01:14:26.920 As he once

01:14:27.960 said,

01:14:28.320 I swear to

01:14:28.740 Allah,

01:14:28.960 I wish to

01:14:29.500 fight for

01:14:29.860 God's cause

01:14:30.420 and be

01:14:30.780 killed.

01:14:40.900 I'll fight

01:14:41.520 and be

01:14:41.760 killed.

01:14:43.060 Hold on,

01:14:43.660 let's see

01:14:43.800 my back guys.

01:14:50.960 I swear to

01:14:51.600 Allah,

01:14:51.740 I wish to

01:14:52.040 fight for

01:14:52.360 God's cause

01:14:52.780 and be

01:14:53.000 killed.

01:14:53.240 I'll fight

01:14:57.560 and be

01:14:57.760 killed and

01:14:58.180 fight again

01:14:58.720 and be

01:14:59.120 killed.

01:15:02.440 Being killed

01:15:05.000 for Allah's

01:15:05.500 cause is a

01:15:05.980 great honor.

01:15:06.840 So as you

01:15:07.120 guys can see,

01:15:07.700 man,

01:15:08.280 he's using

01:15:09.120 this,

01:15:10.180 the Quran

01:15:10.960 to kind of

01:15:11.660 fit into

01:15:12.480 what he

01:15:12.860 thinks is

01:15:13.300 right,

01:15:14.040 you know,

01:15:14.260 which is the

01:15:14.680 textbook definition

01:15:15.440 of an

01:15:15.740 extremist,

01:15:16.260 you know,

01:15:16.420 waging war

01:15:17.000 against innocent

01:15:17.600 people that

01:15:18.620 have nothing

01:15:19.160 to do with

01:15:20.280 the oppression

01:15:21.180 that you and

01:15:21.600 your people are

01:15:22.040 facing is

01:15:23.240 haram.

01:15:24.000 Quite frankly,

01:15:24.800 guys,

01:15:25.160 like nowhere

01:15:26.680 in the Quran

01:15:27.920 does it say

01:15:28.420 that killing

01:15:28.960 innocent people

01:15:29.760 is acceptable.

01:15:31.380 You can't do it.

01:15:32.400 You know,

01:15:32.540 if you have an

01:15:32.880 issue with the

01:15:33.320 government,

01:15:33.680 that's one thing,

01:15:34.320 but you can't

01:15:34.740 kill innocent

01:15:35.140 people in

01:15:36.080 pursuit of that

01:15:36.580 political change.

01:15:37.320 So this is

01:15:38.700 where the

01:15:39.620 extreme

01:15:40.160 meets the

01:15:42.100 rubber on

01:15:42.420 the road

01:15:42.700 and realizes

01:15:43.260 that,

01:15:43.580 yo,

01:15:43.780 this is not

01:15:44.920 what you're

01:15:45.180 supposed to

01:15:45.460 do,

01:15:45.580 my friend.

01:15:50.400 Bestowed upon

01:15:51.040 only the

01:15:51.600 very best

01:15:52.080 Muslims.

01:15:55.220 We love

01:15:55.860 this kind

01:15:56.240 of death

01:15:56.600 more than

01:15:57.040 you love

01:15:57.380 life.

01:16:04.780 I did

01:16:05.380 think that

01:16:05.820 this was an

01:16:06.260 amazing interview.

01:16:08.220 And my

01:16:08.460 Arabic is a

01:16:09.140 little rusty,

01:16:10.060 guys,

01:16:10.260 but I can

01:16:10.660 tell right

01:16:11.040 away from

01:16:11.480 the way

01:16:11.720 he is

01:16:12.000 speaking,

01:16:12.760 he has

01:16:13.180 that

01:16:13.380 Saudi

01:16:13.760 accent

01:16:14.240 of

01:16:14.660 Arabic.

01:16:22.560 The

01:16:22.960 hearts of

01:16:23.280 Muslims

01:16:23.540 are filled

01:16:23.880 with

01:16:24.040 hatred

01:16:24.280 towards

01:16:24.560 the

01:16:24.680 United

01:16:24.820 States

01:16:25.100 of

01:16:25.220 America.

01:16:33.160 And the

01:16:33.680 American

01:16:34.000 president,

01:16:34.400 the

01:16:34.540 president

01:16:34.760 has a

01:16:35.080 heart

01:16:35.260 that

01:16:35.460 won't

01:16:35.720 listen

01:16:35.960 to

01:16:36.140 words.

01:16:37.320 which at

01:16:39.580 this point,

01:16:40.200 97,

01:16:41.420 Bill Clinton

01:16:41.880 was in

01:16:42.160 office.

01:16:47.180 We asked

01:16:47.880 him why.

01:16:50.860 Because the

01:16:51.520 American

01:16:51.780 government is

01:16:52.440 an unjust

01:16:52.900 government.

01:16:53.280 You know,

01:16:55.300 he basically

01:16:55.720 gave a

01:16:56.100 laundry list

01:16:56.620 of complaints

01:16:57.360 about American

01:16:57.960 foreign policy

01:16:58.640 in the

01:16:58.860 Muslim world.

01:16:59.660 It has

01:17:01.920 committed

01:17:02.120 acts that

01:17:02.600 are

01:17:02.700 extremely

01:17:03.000 unjust,

01:17:03.780 hideous,

01:17:04.220 and

01:17:04.320 criminal.

01:17:08.400 We asked

01:17:08.820 him to

01:17:09.000 clarify,

01:17:09.560 did that

01:17:09.760 mean a

01:17:10.040 war against

01:17:10.540 American

01:17:11.100 soldiers or

01:17:11.880 American

01:17:12.360 civilians?

01:17:14.780 They're

01:17:15.340 not

01:17:15.740 exonerated

01:17:16.200 from

01:17:16.340 responsibility

01:17:16.780 because they

01:17:17.380 elected their

01:17:17.960 government.

01:17:18.420 See,

01:17:18.640 this is

01:17:18.940 another

01:17:19.200 example,

01:17:19.760 guys,

01:17:20.440 of him

01:17:21.360 using his

01:17:21.920 extremism

01:17:22.600 to

01:17:22.840 rationalize

01:17:23.800 killing

01:17:24.480 innocent

01:17:24.880 people.

01:17:26.180 You know,

01:17:26.800 because let's

01:17:27.260 say even if

01:17:28.080 you did vote

01:17:29.060 for these

01:17:29.360 individuals that

01:17:30.340 ended up

01:17:30.700 committing these

01:17:31.180 terrible acts,

01:17:32.200 it's not like

01:17:33.700 you signed

01:17:34.240 off on them

01:17:34.940 doing the

01:17:36.460 terrible acts,

01:17:37.240 if that makes

01:17:37.760 sense.

01:17:38.680 Let's be honest

01:17:39.400 here.

01:17:39.560 A lot of

01:17:39.820 politicians,

01:17:40.300 they promise

01:17:40.680 one thing,

01:17:41.060 they get an

01:17:41.380 office,

01:17:41.660 and they do

01:17:41.960 another.

01:17:42.740 But what

01:17:43.220 he's trying

01:17:43.640 to do is

01:17:44.380 he's trying

01:17:44.780 to put the

01:17:45.480 responsibility

01:17:45.960 on the

01:17:46.420 voters for

01:17:47.760 the person

01:17:48.280 that got an

01:17:48.660 office that

01:17:49.100 might do

01:17:49.420 things that

01:17:49.800 he doesn't

01:17:50.140 necessarily

01:17:50.580 like,

01:17:51.320 which is

01:17:51.880 ridiculous and

01:17:53.300 ludicrous

01:17:53.640 because it's

01:17:54.520 not like the

01:17:55.020 people are

01:17:55.360 they're sitting

01:17:56.040 next to the

01:17:56.500 president signing

01:17:57.380 executive orders

01:17:58.220 to invade

01:17:58.920 Muslim countries.

01:18:00.320 You know,

01:18:00.720 so you

01:18:01.960 can't hate

01:18:03.360 the U.S.

01:18:03.820 government and

01:18:04.180 by extension

01:18:04.780 kill innocent

01:18:05.440 civilians and

01:18:07.040 rationalize your

01:18:07.960 cause under

01:18:08.460 the guise of

01:18:09.440 Islam and

01:18:10.000 jihad and a

01:18:10.640 holy war and

01:18:11.160 fighting for

01:18:11.520 your lands.

01:18:12.080 You can't do

01:18:13.040 that.

01:18:13.260 But this is a

01:18:13.800 textbook example

01:18:14.620 of bin Laden

01:18:15.700 misconstruing the

01:18:17.080 teachings of

01:18:17.600 the Quran to

01:18:19.040 fit his

01:18:19.880 extremist

01:18:20.320 ideology.

01:18:22.300 You know,

01:18:22.440 and I'm

01:18:22.620 speaking about

01:18:23.100 this,

01:18:23.400 you know,

01:18:23.500 I'm speaking

01:18:24.780 here from

01:18:25.280 a Muslim.

01:18:26.700 Obviously,

01:18:26.920 I'm not the

01:18:27.240 most devout

01:18:27.660 or the

01:18:27.880 most religious,

01:18:28.420 but I know

01:18:28.760 the fundamental

01:18:29.360 pillars,

01:18:29.920 of course,

01:18:30.280 and killing

01:18:31.020 innocent people

01:18:31.840 is definitely

01:18:33.220 not one of

01:18:33.840 them,

01:18:34.060 regardless of

01:18:35.560 who they

01:18:36.840 elected into

01:18:37.380 office or

01:18:37.840 whatever.

01:18:38.160 But again,

01:18:38.960 this is what

01:18:39.280 extremists do,

01:18:39.880 guys.

01:18:40.100 he's sort

01:18:45.220 of said

01:18:45.500 American soldiers

01:18:46.240 were the

01:18:46.560 primary target.

01:18:47.740 American

01:18:47.980 civilians got

01:18:48.600 in the way,

01:18:49.060 that was

01:18:49.320 their problem.

01:18:52.860 We do not

01:18:53.320 guarantee their

01:18:53.840 safety.

01:18:55.740 He said that

01:18:56.920 in his mind,

01:18:58.360 the United States

01:18:58.860 was as weak as

01:18:59.580 the former

01:18:59.920 Soviet Union.

01:19:00.680 America boasts

01:19:04.200 that they're

01:19:04.420 still powerful.

01:19:08.000 Even after

01:19:08.480 successive defeats

01:19:09.980 from Vietnam

01:19:10.500 to Beirut,

01:19:11.320 from Aden to

01:19:11.920 Somalia.

01:19:18.720 And eventually,

01:19:20.140 the United States,

01:19:20.800 if it was

01:19:21.180 subjected to

01:19:22.000 enough violent

01:19:22.880 pressure,

01:19:24.060 would pull out

01:19:24.600 of the Middle

01:19:24.940 East and

01:19:25.480 basically,

01:19:26.060 he would get

01:19:26.940 his wish.

01:19:28.680 Oh,

01:19:29.100 boy,

01:19:29.320 was he wrong

01:19:29.780 about that

01:19:30.280 one?

01:19:30.740 Holy.

01:19:34.480 What are

01:19:35.040 your future

01:19:35.680 plans?

01:19:36.680 And when I

01:19:37.500 do the next

01:19:38.080 episode,

01:19:38.460 guys,

01:19:38.680 where I break

01:19:39.140 down what

01:19:39.800 they found

01:19:40.200 in Bin Laden's

01:19:40.760 home,

01:19:40.980 you guys are

01:19:41.400 going to see

01:19:41.960 exactly what

01:19:43.260 he thought was

01:19:43.800 going to happen

01:19:44.320 after the 9-11

01:19:45.080 attacks and how

01:19:45.780 it actually

01:19:46.180 backfired on

01:19:46.860 him.

01:19:46.960 you'll see

01:19:59.760 and hear about

01:20:00.280 them in the

01:20:00.660 media,

01:20:01.000 God willing.

01:20:01.660 Oh,

01:20:01.940 my God,

01:20:02.440 this dude.

01:20:09.700 Can we get

01:20:10.420 a couple of

01:20:11.160 still pictures

01:20:11.780 now?

01:20:12.860 Some photographs?

01:20:14.520 And guys,

01:20:15.020 when people say

01:20:15.480 inshallah,

01:20:16.060 that means God

01:20:16.600 willing.

01:20:16.960 The impact

01:20:20.740 of the

01:20:20.980 interview at

01:20:21.420 the time

01:20:21.840 was,

01:20:22.200 I would say,

01:20:22.700 pretty muted.

01:20:24.400 You know,

01:20:24.840 it didn't get

01:20:25.260 a lot of

01:20:25.600 play.

01:20:26.260 You guys

01:20:26.580 can see

01:20:26.920 Bin Laden

01:20:27.340 slouches a

01:20:29.800 lot,

01:20:30.320 but he's

01:20:30.760 actually the

01:20:31.140 tallest person

01:20:31.680 in this

01:20:32.000 photo.

01:20:32.460 You can see

01:20:32.980 here that

01:20:33.260 these guys

01:20:33.600 are kind

01:20:33.880 of propped

01:20:34.780 up a little

01:20:35.180 bit.

01:20:35.800 Bin Laden's

01:20:36.100 just sitting

01:20:36.500 right on his

01:20:37.680 ass and he's

01:20:38.160 still pretty

01:20:38.480 much the same

01:20:38.860 height as

01:20:39.140 them.

01:20:39.620 He's 6'4",

01:20:40.400 but this was

01:20:41.680 something he

01:20:44.120 kind of did

01:20:44.580 during his

01:20:45.200 interviews when

01:20:45.640 he was sitting

01:20:45.980 down.

01:20:46.260 Which I

01:20:49.000 thought was

01:20:49.280 always kind

01:20:49.620 of strange,

01:20:50.180 but, you

01:20:50.600 know, he

01:20:51.240 was a

01:20:51.520 soft-spoken

01:20:52.120 soft guy.

01:20:53.280 You know,

01:20:53.420 it's not like

01:20:53.760 he was like

01:20:54.260 a real killer,

01:20:55.720 guys, you

01:20:56.160 know, I'm

01:20:56.580 sorry.

01:20:57.280 Well, no,

01:20:57.960 he was a

01:20:58.420 killer, but I

01:20:58.900 mean, as in

01:20:59.320 like, he

01:20:59.900 wasn't the

01:21:00.280 one actually

01:21:00.700 like on the

01:21:01.220 front line

01:21:01.560 shooting and

01:21:02.020 killing people.

01:21:02.540 He was a

01:21:02.800 financier.

01:21:03.400 He was there

01:21:03.700 to support,

01:21:04.320 etc.

01:21:04.560 but as far

01:21:05.600 as like him

01:21:06.080 getting his

01:21:06.540 actual hands

01:21:07.260 dirty, very

01:21:08.480 rarely.

01:21:08.800 Of course, he

01:21:10.820 hadn't really

01:21:11.280 done anything.

01:21:13.780 Imagine if in

01:21:14.520 1937 the

01:21:15.420 Japanese army

01:21:16.360 had gone on

01:21:17.660 NBC or RKO

01:21:18.880 to say, hey,

01:21:19.600 we are planning

01:21:20.120 to attack the

01:21:20.620 United States.

01:21:21.860 You know, Pearl

01:21:22.420 Harbor might have

01:21:22.980 turned out

01:21:23.280 differently.

01:21:23.860 These guys

01:21:24.320 repeatedly said

01:21:25.200 publicly, we are

01:21:26.000 planning to.

01:21:26.620 That's a good

01:21:27.200 point.

01:21:27.660 I mean, could

01:21:28.940 you imagine if

01:21:29.600 the Japanese

01:21:30.040 run around,

01:21:30.480 yeah, we're

01:21:30.760 going to attack

01:21:31.520 y'all.

01:21:31.840 you think the

01:21:33.060 US would have

01:21:33.460 been able to

01:21:33.820 prevent Pearl

01:21:34.260 Harbor, but

01:21:34.800 fast forward

01:21:36.140 decades later,

01:21:37.380 you have this

01:21:37.980 crazy guy in a

01:21:38.840 cave saying

01:21:39.380 that we're

01:21:39.760 going to come

01:21:40.080 and attack

01:21:40.480 you and

01:21:41.620 the US

01:21:42.480 didn't take

01:21:42.860 these threats

01:21:43.220 seriously.

01:21:44.600 We're attacking

01:21:45.020 the United States

01:21:45.580 and no one

01:21:46.000 paid any

01:21:46.360 attention to them.

01:21:53.000 This is an

01:21:54.600 Al-Qaeda

01:21:54.940 propaganda video.

01:21:55.860 I want you

01:21:56.220 guys to look

01:21:56.760 at this and

01:21:57.160 laugh at the

01:21:57.720 crazy low

01:21:58.640 quality and

01:22:00.120 production

01:22:01.280 quality.

01:22:01.840 comic relief

01:22:03.640 in this

01:22:03.960 goddamn

01:22:04.300 thing.

01:22:15.720 Oh, no, no,

01:22:16.300 this isn't the

01:22:16.740 video.

01:22:16.900 It's going to

01:22:17.200 play a little

01:22:17.860 bit later, but

01:22:18.440 that was an

01:22:18.900 excerpt from

01:22:19.400 one of their

01:22:19.760 propaganda

01:22:20.100 videos, which

01:22:20.900 damn, these

01:22:21.900 dudes need a

01:22:22.400 fucking new

01:22:22.780 editor.

01:22:23.300 These Al-Qaeda

01:22:23.760 guys.

01:22:31.840 And that

01:22:43.080 Kenya

01:22:43.520 embassy bombing

01:22:45.180 was the

01:22:45.580 first major

01:22:46.280 attack that

01:22:47.240 was linked to

01:22:47.860 bin Laden.

01:22:48.220 The other ones

01:22:48.620 were kind of

01:22:49.000 like somewhat

01:22:49.360 speculative, but

01:22:50.380 this one was

01:22:50.840 one of the main

01:22:51.440 ones that

01:22:51.820 linked them.

01:22:52.220 And then the

01:22:58.620 bombing of the

01:22:59.140 USS Cole in

01:23:00.360 the year 2000,

01:23:01.060 which I have a

01:23:01.540 little bit more

01:23:01.900 info on that on

01:23:02.880 our prior episode

01:23:03.960 of 9-11, where

01:23:05.900 Ali Sufan, the

01:23:06.920 FBI agent from

01:23:07.640 New York, was

01:23:08.400 actually in Yemen

01:23:09.400 at the time

01:23:10.020 investigating that

01:23:11.200 bombing and was

01:23:11.900 able to find a

01:23:12.840 high-level source

01:23:13.560 that was able to

01:23:14.580 pin him in the

01:23:15.160 direction of

01:23:16.020 bin Laden.

01:23:16.860 And I go into

01:23:17.420 more detail on

01:23:18.000 that in the last

01:23:18.400 episode.

01:23:18.680 Feel free to

01:23:19.060 check that.

01:23:30.240 Another

01:23:30.600 propaganda video,

01:23:31.740 which again,

01:23:32.500 comedy, guys.

01:23:33.520 Enjoy and get

01:23:34.020 your popcorn ready.

01:23:35.380 And here, the

01:23:36.080 day when we

01:23:36.600 destroyed the

01:23:37.120 coal on the

01:23:37.560 sea.

01:23:37.840 So they're

01:23:38.120 singing in

01:23:38.580 Arabic about

01:23:39.260 destroying the

01:23:40.520 USS Cole, which

01:23:41.200 killed a bunch

01:23:42.120 of innocent

01:23:42.620 Navy service

01:23:43.620 members, which

01:23:44.220 is despicable.

01:23:45.440 But this is

01:23:45.980 what they do to

01:23:46.520 recruit new

01:23:48.740 individuals for

01:23:49.620 the cause.

01:24:09.380 I always

01:24:10.180 watched their

01:24:11.080 latest statements.

01:24:13.340 Now y'all see

01:24:14.140 what I'm talking

01:24:14.580 about with these

01:24:15.120 goddamn propaganda

01:24:15.960 videos.

01:24:16.480 their choices

01:24:19.360 of what they're

01:24:20.000 going to say

01:24:20.620 are very

01:24:21.040 important.

01:24:23.720 Oh yeah, they

01:24:24.060 were cagey at

01:24:24.820 first about

01:24:25.360 claiming credit

01:24:26.140 for anything.

01:24:26.860 They didn't

01:24:27.080 want to claim

01:24:27.620 credit.

01:24:29.360 Then later on

01:24:30.200 they become

01:24:30.720 more willing

01:24:32.720 to take credit,

01:24:33.920 in fact,

01:24:34.260 demanding credit

01:24:35.220 for it.

01:24:36.020 So they start

01:24:36.460 to become more

01:24:37.160 and more brazen.

01:24:38.360 The jihad against

01:24:41.120 America and

01:24:41.700 fighting the

01:24:42.120 Americans.

01:24:42.540 is at the

01:24:46.760 core of our

01:24:47.220 faith.

01:24:48.480 This has been

01:24:48.860 Laden speaking

01:24:49.380 now.

01:24:55.420 You know,

01:24:56.160 it's all this

01:24:56.640 stuff hitting

01:24:57.220 you, all

01:24:58.180 these horrible

01:24:58.800 images hitting

01:24:59.660 you.

01:25:00.660 Just this

01:25:01.340 rapid fire,

01:25:02.620 horribly evil.

01:25:03.460 I can see

01:25:04.080 these propaganda

01:25:04.580 videos are

01:25:05.260 extremely violent.

01:25:06.200 music video

01:25:08.360 slash horror

01:25:09.780 films

01:25:10.660 slash

01:25:11.480 showing

01:25:14.060 beheading

01:25:14.540 shootings,

01:25:15.220 killing people.

01:25:17.300 Al-Qaeda

01:25:17.740 is a

01:25:19.020 global

01:25:19.560 organization

01:25:20.660 made up

01:25:21.380 of people

01:25:21.800 from over

01:25:22.460 60 countries

01:25:23.380 who speak

01:25:24.100 60 different

01:25:24.720 languages.

01:25:26.040 So they

01:25:27.160 really have

01:25:27.740 to communicate

01:25:28.400 in the clear

01:25:29.160 through these

01:25:30.900 statements.

01:25:31.660 And they're

01:25:32.120 also under

01:25:32.660 a religious

01:25:33.220 obligation to

01:25:34.120 warn their

01:25:34.500 enemy.

01:25:34.780 So for all

01:25:35.760 of those

01:25:36.140 reasons,

01:25:36.640 it made

01:25:37.300 complete sense

01:25:38.440 that they

01:25:39.320 meant what

01:25:39.580 they said.

01:25:44.060 We know

01:25:44.840 the Americans

01:25:45.360 are listening

01:25:45.800 to us

01:25:46.120 here.

01:25:51.100 We're

01:25:51.660 launching a

01:25:52.180 psychological

01:25:52.700 war.

01:25:55.920 Could you

01:25:56.580 imagine

01:25:56.940 constantly

01:25:57.480 letting your

01:25:57.960 enemies know

01:25:58.440 that you're

01:25:58.760 going to

01:25:58.940 attack them?

01:25:59.540 Like,

01:25:59.720 come on,

01:26:00.120 man.

01:26:00.340 these guys,

01:26:04.660 bro.

01:26:05.340 But again,

01:26:05.860 like,

01:26:06.140 you know,

01:26:06.780 Cindy was

01:26:07.440 saying,

01:26:07.700 they are

01:26:07.980 obligated

01:26:08.540 through

01:26:09.700 religion to

01:26:10.240 notify.

01:26:10.820 But could

01:26:11.260 you imagine

01:26:11.640 just like

01:26:12.080 constantly

01:26:12.840 being threatened

01:26:13.460 by somebody?

01:26:14.140 And I

01:26:14.400 think the

01:26:15.180 fact that

01:26:15.560 they claim

01:26:16.040 responsibility

01:26:16.640 for so many

01:26:17.200 attacks,

01:26:17.700 the fact that

01:26:18.120 they threaten

01:26:18.460 the U.S.

01:26:18.860 so often,

01:26:19.720 it kind of

01:26:20.120 made the

01:26:20.380 U.S.

01:26:20.620 say,

01:26:21.300 dude,

01:26:21.440 we're not

01:26:21.720 scared of

01:26:22.020 you,

01:26:22.280 which,

01:26:22.840 you know,

01:26:24.000 that hubris

01:26:24.480 started biting

01:26:24.980 us in the ass

01:26:26.400 a little bit,

01:26:27.460 which you're

01:26:27.740 going to see

01:26:28.020 here in a

01:26:28.360 second.

01:26:28.900 But there

01:26:29.520 were many

01:26:30.000 times where

01:26:30.580 the CIA

01:26:31.020 warned

01:26:31.580 the

01:26:33.260 Clinton

01:26:34.400 and the

01:26:35.020 Bush

01:26:35.200 administration

01:26:35.820 about

01:26:36.840 bin Laden,

01:26:38.200 especially the

01:26:38.660 Clinton

01:26:38.820 administration,

01:26:39.500 because he

01:26:40.520 was in

01:26:40.780 office

01:26:41.120 predominantly

01:26:41.980 during this

01:26:42.560 time.

01:26:46.740 It's a

01:26:47.260 shout at

01:26:47.520 the enemy's

01:26:47.820 prestige.

01:26:48.300 Don't worry

01:26:48.700 about them

01:26:49.080 listening.

01:26:55.620 They're

01:26:56.060 planning

01:26:56.480 something,

01:26:57.220 but where?

01:26:58.580 When?

01:26:59.100 What?

01:26:59.980 Is it

01:27:00.260 going to

01:27:00.420 be an

01:27:00.680 armed assault?

01:27:01.680 Is it

01:27:01.940 going to

01:27:02.140 be a

01:27:02.680 hijacking?

01:27:04.060 Is it

01:27:04.420 going to

01:27:04.640 be an

01:27:05.460 assassination?

01:27:07.660 A bomb?

01:27:09.840 You know,

01:27:10.360 is where?

01:27:12.620 There were

01:27:13.180 no real

01:27:13.720 answers.

01:27:18.620 The CIA

01:27:19.340 did very

01:27:19.780 good warning

01:27:20.260 in that

01:27:20.580 period of

01:27:20.980 time.

01:27:22.120 There are

01:27:22.440 dozens.

01:27:23.000 All right,

01:27:23.200 now we're

01:27:23.480 going to

01:27:23.660 go into

01:27:24.080 when the

01:27:24.520 CIA warned

01:27:26.300 other

01:27:27.600 parties of

01:27:28.260 the

01:27:28.380 government

01:27:28.640 about him.

01:27:29.460 Well,

01:27:29.680 they did

01:27:30.000 fuck up

01:27:30.340 with the

01:27:30.560 FBI,

01:27:30.880 though.

01:27:31.040 They

01:27:31.140 didn't

01:27:31.400 tell them

01:27:31.720 about two

01:27:32.060 of the

01:27:32.200 hijackers

01:27:32.620 being the

01:27:32.960 United States

01:27:33.400 because obviously

01:27:34.520 the CIA

01:27:35.000 always wants

01:27:35.920 to classify

01:27:36.780 everything.

01:27:37.180 But we're

01:27:38.120 going to see

01:27:38.440 some of the

01:27:38.860 documents that

01:27:39.380 were passed

01:27:39.720 up the

01:27:39.980 chain to

01:27:40.300 the

01:27:40.400 president

01:27:40.720 that they

01:27:41.580 ignored.

01:27:42.960 ...and

01:27:43.300 dozens of

01:27:43.760 reports in

01:27:44.420 which we

01:27:44.820 express the

01:27:45.500 view that

01:27:46.960 bin Laden

01:27:47.680 is intending

01:27:48.300 to attack...

01:27:48.780 April 20,

01:27:49.400 2001,

01:27:49.940 bin Laden

01:27:50.200 planning

01:27:50.520 multiple

01:27:50.980 operations.

01:27:51.680 ...like the

01:27:52.160 United States.

01:27:54.640 We would

01:27:55.320 have weekly

01:27:55.960 or bi-weekly

01:27:56.820 meetings sometimes

01:27:57.920 on exactly...

01:27:58.600 May 3,

01:27:59.180 2001,

01:27:59.820 bin Laden

01:28:00.100 public profile

01:28:01.040 may presage

01:28:03.040 attack.

01:28:03.940 ...what was

01:28:04.480 going on...

01:28:06.120 It's so

01:28:08.240 frustrating when

01:28:08.760 you can't

01:28:09.160 figure out

01:28:09.600 date and

01:28:09.900 time.

01:28:11.360 There's always

01:28:12.020 a large band

01:28:12.820 of uncertain...

01:28:13.540 Bin Laden

01:28:13.940 networks plan

01:28:15.000 advancing.

01:28:16.300 Bin Laden

01:28:16.940 networks plans

01:28:18.300 advancing.

01:28:18.880 That's May 26,

01:28:19.620 2001, so a

01:28:20.400 couple weeks

01:28:20.700 after the

01:28:21.080 last one I

01:28:21.500 just read.

01:28:23.560 That's fertile

01:28:24.420 ground.

01:28:24.660 June 23rd,

01:28:25.300 bin Laden

01:28:25.580 attacks may

01:28:26.200 be imminent,

01:28:27.060 2001.

01:28:27.820 ...for argument.

01:28:29.220 June 30,

01:28:29.940 2001, bin Laden

01:28:30.680 threats are real.

01:28:32.320 And if you

01:28:32.720 warn about every

01:28:33.320 little thing,

01:28:34.040 then you're

01:28:34.340 crying wolf and

01:28:35.020 nobody pays

01:28:35.520 attention to

01:28:36.040 you at all.

01:28:37.000 Exactly.

01:28:37.600 So you got

01:28:37.920 bin Laden who

01:28:38.600 they don't

01:28:39.140 take him

01:28:39.480 seriously because

01:28:39.880 he sends

01:28:40.220 too many

01:28:40.500 warnings.

01:28:41.240 Then you got

01:28:41.520 the CIA

01:28:41.940 writing constant

01:28:42.560 reports.

01:28:43.560 So the

01:28:43.820 government's

01:28:44.100 like,

01:28:44.300 whatever,

01:28:45.580 bro,

01:28:45.720 we're more

01:28:46.140 concerned with

01:28:46.600 some other

01:28:46.880 stuff.

01:28:47.280 I don't

01:28:47.820 think this

01:28:48.100 dude in

01:28:48.320 the cave

01:28:48.540 is that

01:28:48.760 important.

01:28:50.260 Middle

01:28:50.620 East.

01:28:51.260 July 2nd,

01:28:51.900 2001,

01:28:52.380 planning for

01:28:52.800 bin Laden

01:28:53.120 attacks continues

01:28:53.920 despite delays.

01:28:55.240 South Asia,

01:28:56.540 Europe,

01:28:57.140 the United

01:28:57.480 States,

01:28:58.200 where?

01:28:59.580 July 13,

01:29:00.340 2001,

01:29:00.840 bin Laden

01:29:01.060 attacks delayed

01:29:01.600 but not

01:29:01.980 abandoned.

01:29:02.520 Guys,

01:29:02.840 I mean,

01:29:03.580 usually I make

01:29:04.320 fun of the CIA

01:29:05.040 but bro,

01:29:05.600 in this

01:29:05.900 case,

01:29:06.340 God damn,

01:29:09.900 you can't

01:29:11.660 really blame

01:29:12.160 them.

01:29:12.360 They did

01:29:12.600 their due

01:29:12.960 diligence and

01:29:13.620 notified,

01:29:14.340 you know,

01:29:14.680 the higher

01:29:15.080 ups about

01:29:15.780 these imminent

01:29:16.340 attacks.

01:29:17.600 You just

01:29:18.180 don't know.

01:29:20.360 We did not

01:29:20.900 at this time

01:29:21.560 and in this

01:29:21.980 report have

01:29:22.940 what I would

01:29:23.380 call actionable

01:29:24.660 intelligence.

01:29:25.220 I want to

01:29:25.680 know when,

01:29:26.300 I want to

01:29:26.820 know where,

01:29:27.560 I want to

01:29:27.980 know who.

01:29:28.680 We could

01:29:29.140 not.

01:29:29.620 August 3rd,

01:29:30.140 2001,

01:29:30.620 threat of

01:29:30.900 impending

01:29:31.320 Al-Qaeda

01:29:31.800 attack to

01:29:32.280 continue

01:29:32.680 indefinitely.

01:29:34.320 Determine time,

01:29:35.180 target,

01:29:35.540 and method.

01:29:36.140 You know,

01:29:36.580 I really

01:29:37.060 wish I could

01:29:37.560 tell you

01:29:38.120 when and

01:29:38.600 where,

01:29:39.500 but it's

01:29:40.100 not that

01:29:40.520 easy with

01:29:41.380 the clandestine

01:29:42.040 organization.

01:29:44.120 Well,

01:29:44.360 if you just

01:29:44.800 had more

01:29:45.300 human assets,

01:29:46.160 you did

01:29:46.420 less analysis,

01:29:47.580 then we would

01:29:48.200 know all

01:29:48.580 these things.

01:29:49.140 Well,

01:29:49.260 that isn't

01:29:49.480 true.

01:29:50.360 You could

01:29:50.600 say we're

01:29:50.980 pretty sure

01:29:51.640 it's going

01:29:51.980 to happen,

01:29:52.520 but we

01:29:54.760 can't make

01:29:55.360 that decision

01:29:56.140 to say

01:29:56.860 you should

01:29:57.640 do or

01:29:58.220 not do.

01:30:00.780 We can

01:30:01.160 say our

01:30:01.660 bottom line

01:30:02.820 is it

01:30:03.880 looks pretty

01:30:04.680 dangerous.

01:30:09.040 Barbara

01:30:09.560 Sood wrote

01:30:10.960 this memo

01:30:11.420 to the

01:30:11.720 president on

01:30:12.160 August 6th,

01:30:12.720 2001,

01:30:13.260 and it

01:30:13.440 titled,

01:30:14.080 Bin Laden

01:30:14.320 determined to

01:30:14.860 strike U.S.

01:30:15.580 declassified and

01:30:16.160 approved for

01:30:16.440 release April

01:30:17.740 10,

01:30:18.040 2004.

01:30:19.160 I'll read a

01:30:19.880 little bit of

01:30:20.200 this for y'all.

01:30:21.100 Clandestine

01:30:21.540 foreign government

01:30:22.060 and media

01:30:22.460 reports

01:30:22.880 indicate

01:30:23.580 Bin Laden

01:30:23.980 since

01:30:24.240 1907

01:30:24.760 is warned

01:30:25.140 to conduct

01:30:25.460 terrorist

01:30:25.740 attacks in

01:30:26.120 the U.S.

01:30:26.620 Bin Laden

01:30:26.980 implied in

01:30:28.080 U.S.

01:30:28.420 television

01:30:28.660 interviews

01:30:29.060 in

01:30:29.200 1997-98

01:30:29.980 that his

01:30:30.560 followers

01:30:30.840 would

01:30:31.020 follow the

01:30:32.060 example of

01:30:32.500 the World

01:30:32.740 Trade Center

01:30:33.060 bombing

01:30:33.400 Ramzi

01:30:33.920 Yousef and

01:30:34.440 bring the

01:30:34.820 fighting to

01:30:35.220 America

01:30:35.560 after U.S.

01:30:36.120 missile

01:30:36.360 strikes on

01:30:37.280 his base

01:30:37.700 in Afghanistan

01:30:38.180 in 1998.

01:30:39.680 Bin Laden

01:30:39.980 told followers

01:30:41.000 he wanted

01:30:41.300 to retaliate

01:30:41.840 in Washington

01:30:42.200 according to

01:30:42.980 a boom

01:30:43.580 service.

01:30:44.760 This is a

01:30:45.140 source more

01:30:45.480 likely here.

01:30:46.260 An

01:30:46.320 Egyptian

01:30:46.560 Islamic

01:30:47.000 jihad

01:30:47.420 operative

01:30:48.160 told and

01:30:48.800 boom

01:30:49.380 service at

01:30:50.400 the time

01:30:50.820 that Bin Laden

01:30:51.680 was planning

01:30:52.640 to exploit

01:30:53.220 the operatives

01:30:53.700 access to

01:30:54.160 U.S.

01:30:54.740 to mount

01:30:55.140 a terrorist

01:30:55.680 strike.

01:30:56.860 And then

01:30:57.000 this gets

01:30:57.380 blanked out

01:30:57.960 but it

01:30:58.140 goes here

01:30:58.420 although Bin

01:30:58.820 Laden

01:30:58.960 has not

01:30:59.240 succeeded in

01:30:59.740 attacks against

01:31:00.180 the U.S.

01:31:00.560 embassy in

01:31:01.460 Kenya and

01:31:02.360 Tanzania in

01:31:02.860 1998

01:31:03.240 demonstrate that

01:31:03.780 he prepares

01:31:04.220 operations years

01:31:06.060 in advance

01:31:06.580 and is not

01:31:06.980 deterred by

01:31:08.140 setbacks.

01:31:08.700 Bin Laden

01:31:08.920 associates

01:31:09.400 surveilled our

01:31:11.100 embassies in

01:31:11.720 Nairobi and

01:31:12.300 Dar as

01:31:13.140 Salaam as

01:31:13.900 early as

01:31:14.640 1993 and

01:31:17.320 some members

01:31:17.840 of the

01:31:18.440 Nairobi

01:31:18.840 cell

01:31:19.240 planning the

01:31:19.720 bombings

01:31:20.080 were arrested

01:31:20.660 and deported

01:31:21.160 in 1997.

01:31:22.680 Al Qaeda

01:31:22.860 members including

01:31:23.580 those who are

01:31:24.820 U.S.

01:31:25.160 citizens have

01:31:26.020 resided in

01:31:26.760 or traveled

01:31:27.220 to the U.S.

01:31:27.620 for years and

01:31:28.820 the groups

01:31:29.180 apparently

01:31:29.720 maintain a

01:31:30.840 support

01:31:32.280 structure that

01:31:34.460 could aid

01:31:35.020 attacks.

01:31:35.520 Two Al Qaeda

01:31:35.860 members found

01:31:36.480 guilty in the

01:31:37.020 conspiracy bomb

01:31:37.560 embassies in

01:31:38.000 the East Africa

01:31:38.320 were U.S.

01:31:40.200 citizens.

01:31:40.860 So as you

01:31:41.080 guys can see

01:31:41.560 this memo

01:31:42.820 here is pretty

01:31:43.440 damn detailed

01:31:44.220 men and it

01:31:44.740 came out a

01:31:46.300 little over a

01:31:46.960 month prior to

01:31:47.560 the 9-11

01:31:47.960 attacks.

01:31:55.460 The headline

01:31:56.240 says bin

01:31:56.880 Laden

01:31:57.140 determined to

01:31:58.440 strike in

01:31:59.020 U.S.

01:32:00.240 There were

01:32:00.680 just warning

01:32:01.260 after warning

01:32:01.760 after warning

01:32:02.340 all spring.

01:32:03.360 Well you know

01:32:03.800 with the

01:32:04.140 benefit of

01:32:04.640 hindsight.

01:32:05.780 We knew

01:32:06.440 something huge

01:32:07.520 was going to

01:32:07.980 happen.

01:32:08.560 And yeah

01:32:08.920 she's really

01:32:09.340 emotional guys

01:32:09.980 earlier in

01:32:10.560 the in the

01:32:12.220 documentary which

01:32:13.060 I didn't show

01:32:13.500 you guys.

01:32:13.880 she was

01:32:14.440 crying because

01:32:15.500 the CIA got

01:32:17.420 a lot of

01:32:17.720 blame after

01:32:18.120 this attack

01:32:18.640 and for

01:32:18.960 her she

01:32:19.260 felt person

01:32:19.740 responsible

01:32:20.240 despite the

01:32:21.080 fact that

01:32:21.380 she generated

01:32:21.840 so many

01:32:22.220 intel products

01:32:22.920 warning the

01:32:23.800 government about

01:32:24.280 bin Laden

01:32:24.640 because she

01:32:25.040 was pretty

01:32:25.380 much the

01:32:25.820 main person

01:32:26.880 targeting him

01:32:27.500 since 1995.

01:32:29.140 So obviously

01:32:29.540 the chickens

01:32:29.980 came to roost

01:32:30.460 after 9-11 and

01:32:31.260 she probably

01:32:31.740 bared a brunt of

01:32:32.940 that abuse that

01:32:33.560 came her way

01:32:34.180 despite being

01:32:35.720 fairly diligent

01:32:37.040 and how do I

01:32:39.620 say this

01:32:39.920 proactive in her

01:32:41.180 investigative

01:32:41.580 efforts as an

01:32:42.300 analyst.

01:32:42.660 It would seem

01:32:43.920 that this was

01:32:46.080 a perfect

01:32:47.000 warning in

01:32:47.960 August of

01:32:49.360 2001 that

01:32:50.760 the United

01:32:51.160 States was

01:32:51.680 about to be

01:32:52.180 attacked.

01:32:52.900 Everybody was

01:32:53.680 completely

01:32:54.380 tense.

01:32:55.560 Why didn't

01:32:56.200 we do

01:32:56.500 something about

01:32:57.040 this?

01:32:57.580 The language

01:32:58.580 being used

01:32:59.420 by these

01:32:59.780 guys was

01:33:00.280 like oh

01:33:01.480 my God

01:33:02.040 what are

01:33:02.340 they going

01:33:02.560 to do?

01:33:14.600 This

01:33:15.040 propaganda

01:33:15.460 video

01:33:16.100 literally

01:33:16.980 bro

01:33:17.380 get your

01:33:19.200 popcorn ready

01:33:19.780 y'all are

01:33:20.140 about to see

01:33:20.620 some poverty

01:33:21.940 production

01:33:23.240 here.

01:33:32.560 look at

01:33:40.020 this the

01:33:40.340 heroes of

01:33:40.740 the raids

01:33:41.160 they call

01:33:41.500 them the

01:33:41.740 heroes of

01:33:42.960 the raids

01:33:43.220 receive their

01:33:44.160 intensive

01:33:44.660 training and

01:33:46.640 learn how to

01:33:47.100 take over the

01:33:47.680 navigation

01:33:48.180 cabin

01:33:48.760 to enable

01:33:53.160 the pilots

01:33:53.640 to fly the

01:33:54.200 planes towards

01:33:54.700 the targets

01:33:55.300 and ensure

01:34:02.080 protection for

01:34:02.800 them

01:34:03.200 until the

01:34:05.920 moment when

01:34:06.320 the aircraft

01:34:06.740 crashed into

01:34:07.580 their targets

01:34:08.220 the

01:34:13.980 brother pilots

01:34:14.980 continued their

01:34:15.640 preparation in

01:34:16.360 complete calm

01:34:17.120 deep inside

01:34:20.360 America

01:34:20.800 disregarding the

01:34:21.680 media's propaganda

01:34:22.560 of

01:34:22.900 America's

01:34:28.320 all-powerful

01:34:28.880 security and

01:34:29.480 intelligence

01:34:29.880 capabilities

01:34:30.680 whose noise

01:34:36.560 filled the

01:34:37.040 world

01:34:37.460 this is the

01:34:42.600 cheesiest video

01:34:43.320 ever

01:34:43.540 they're over

01:34:43.840 here kicking

01:34:44.280 each other

01:34:44.720 and shit

01:34:44.980 with masks

01:34:45.420 on

01:34:45.700 guys

01:34:46.080 if you're

01:34:47.240 listening to

01:34:47.640 this on

01:34:48.020 Anchorman

01:34:48.900 make sure you

01:34:50.220 watch the

01:34:50.500 YouTube video

01:34:50.940 this is too

01:34:51.420 much comedy

01:34:51.880 here

01:34:52.320 the heroes

01:34:55.520 recorded their

01:34:56.040 last wills and

01:34:56.660 testaments

01:34:57.160 in which they

01:35:00.160 clarified their

01:35:00.800 reasons and

01:35:01.280 motivations

01:35:01.920 behind their

01:35:05.440 carrying out

01:35:05.980 this blessed

01:35:06.500 act

01:35:06.940 and I say

01:35:11.040 to America

01:35:11.540 and this is

01:35:11.820 one of the

01:35:12.080 hijackers it

01:35:12.700 looks like

01:35:13.080 if it wants

01:35:16.460 its soldiers

01:35:17.000 and people to

01:35:17.620 be safe

01:35:18.220 then it must

01:35:22.100 withdraw all

01:35:22.980 forces from

01:35:24.400 the Muslim

01:35:24.820 plans

01:35:25.180 and they're

01:35:32.680 doing like a

01:35:33.260 chant song

01:35:34.300 now this

01:35:40.900 is you know

01:35:41.600 something that

01:35:42.160 kind of

01:35:42.480 contradicts the

01:35:43.140 conspiracy theory

01:35:43.840 which I'm going to

01:35:44.240 break this down

01:35:44.760 more if it was

01:35:45.880 an inside job

01:35:46.840 how would have

01:35:47.960 they been able to

01:35:48.680 coordinate with

01:35:49.940 several other

01:35:51.200 you know

01:35:51.880 terrorists

01:35:53.600 essentially

01:35:54.140 and have

01:35:55.540 them make

01:35:55.920 videos

01:35:56.320 do all this

01:35:56.820 overt stuff

01:35:57.620 yo I

01:35:58.720 attacked the

01:35:59.540 United States

01:36:00.100 and all this

01:36:00.380 other stuff

01:36:00.720 knowing damn

01:36:01.400 well that

01:36:02.480 these guys

01:36:03.380 hate America's

01:36:04.820 guts like why

01:36:05.440 would they do

01:36:05.960 anything in their

01:36:06.580 power to help

01:36:07.820 the United States

01:36:08.840 if it was an

01:36:09.200 inside job so

01:36:09.780 this is kind of

01:36:10.460 you know where

01:36:11.680 you can get that

01:36:13.260 split in the

01:36:13.660 road where like

01:36:14.160 the conspiracy

01:36:14.920 theorists might

01:36:15.660 believe like it

01:36:16.200 was an inside job

01:36:16.720 for the government

01:36:17.160 but then the

01:36:18.040 official story

01:36:18.780 which we're

01:36:19.420 describing here

01:36:20.080 kind of does

01:36:20.900 make some sense

01:36:21.520 because obviously

01:36:22.700 these dudes had

01:36:23.460 a deep hatred

01:36:24.080 for the United

01:36:24.580 States

01:36:24.920 so it could go

01:36:26.660 either way

01:36:27.180 you know I'm

01:36:27.880 being objective

01:36:28.460 here but I'm

01:36:28.940 giving y'all

01:36:29.300 another perspective

01:36:30.100 and we will

01:36:31.000 definitely break

01:36:31.560 down the

01:36:32.560 sorry guys I'm

01:36:36.460 losing my train

01:36:36.900 of thought here I've

01:36:37.320 been up all night

01:36:37.900 haven't slept

01:36:38.720 I'll definitely be

01:36:39.460 breaking down the

01:36:39.980 conspiracy theory

01:36:40.760 podcast as well

01:36:41.680 from the new

01:36:42.300 Pearl Harbor

01:36:42.700 let's keep

01:36:43.720 rolling

01:36:43.940 of course you

01:37:05.760 can make the

01:37:06.060 argument oh

01:37:06.680 well they claim

01:37:07.180 credit after you

01:37:08.220 know it was

01:37:09.500 deemed it was

01:37:10.160 an inside job

01:37:10.760 there's a million

01:37:11.800 conspiracies and

01:37:12.700 you know rumors

01:37:13.340 surrounding it

01:37:13.880 but for all

01:37:14.660 intents and

01:37:14.960 purposes of this

01:37:15.560 episode we're

01:37:16.560 going you know

01:37:17.140 to obviously

01:37:17.560 document it from

01:37:18.140 the government

01:37:18.400 side then we'll

01:37:18.880 go ahead and

01:37:19.320 take the less

01:37:20.580 official route

01:37:21.240 with the

01:37:22.260 conspiracy theory

01:37:22.900 podcast on a

01:37:23.780 later episode

01:37:24.860 told y'all 9-11

01:37:26.700 was going to be

01:37:27.100 a monster guys

01:37:27.800 on the morning

01:37:29.800 on the morning of

01:37:33.380 all right so

01:37:34.160 they're all about

01:37:34.580 to reflect on

01:37:35.140 what happened

01:37:35.660 the day of

01:37:36.000 9-11

01:37:36.420 office I had

01:37:37.540 my office was

01:37:38.880 here the

01:37:39.680 office of the

01:37:40.280 group chief was

01:37:41.040 right next to it

01:37:41.900 and I had my

01:37:43.380 door open and I

01:37:44.600 looked and there

01:37:45.360 was an analyst

01:37:46.040 running through the

01:37:47.840 row between the

01:37:48.480 cubicles and it

01:37:51.000 was one of the

01:37:51.480 older analysts and

01:37:52.900 you don't see

01:37:53.380 older analysts

01:37:54.020 running I was in

01:37:55.920 I was in Jordan

01:37:57.020 I was at the

01:37:57.980 CIA 9-11 I was

01:37:59.420 in my office at

01:38:00.440 NSA I was at the

01:38:01.840 executive office

01:38:02.500 building for the

01:38:03.040 White House I was

01:38:03.840 in the Pentagon

01:38:04.400 when it got hit

01:38:06.380 the first breaking

01:38:08.180 news was coming

01:38:09.240 an interesting thing

01:38:10.320 is anyone that's

01:38:11.040 old enough to

01:38:11.500 remember 9-11

01:38:12.340 will never forget

01:38:14.020 where they were

01:38:14.640 when they heard

01:38:16.100 the news you know

01:38:16.920 I know I won't

01:38:18.200 and I talked about

01:38:19.820 where I was what I

01:38:20.780 was doing at the

01:38:22.040 time of 9-11 back

01:38:22.940 in 2001 when I was

01:38:23.780 11 years old on the

01:38:24.960 other podcast if you

01:38:25.860 guys want to know

01:38:26.340 what your boy

01:38:26.840 Myron Gaines back

01:38:27.620 in the day was

01:38:28.040 doing when these

01:38:29.020 attacks were going

01:38:29.620 down go check out

01:38:30.720 that pod somebody

01:38:32.580 has it on real

01:38:33.400 player on there and

01:38:34.660 just so y'all know

01:38:35.080 that guy that they

01:38:35.760 showed he is a CIA

01:38:37.740 operative that

01:38:38.460 recruits sources in

01:38:39.240 the Middle East

01:38:39.620 speaks Arabic

01:38:40.120 fluently they

01:38:41.020 introduced him

01:38:41.460 earlier in the pod

01:38:42.080 but that might be

01:38:43.120 like you know the

01:38:43.860 first time that you

01:38:44.400 guys are actually

01:38:44.820 seeing him here

01:38:45.360 since we've been

01:38:46.160 like kind of

01:38:46.660 bouncing around

01:38:47.120 the documentary to

01:38:48.760 keep things nice

01:38:49.380 and concise at their

01:38:51.620 desk the report was

01:38:52.520 saying there was a

01:38:53.000 small aircraft that

01:38:54.140 apparently it hit

01:38:55.040 right then second

01:38:55.980 plane into the

01:38:56.840 second tower and I

01:38:59.420 knew there was no

01:39:00.800 doubt in that office

01:39:01.660 in that moment that

01:39:02.780 this is what we were

01:39:04.300 waiting for this is

01:39:05.100 it that's the words

01:39:06.380 that went through

01:39:06.840 everybody's mind this

01:39:08.240 is it this has been

01:39:09.340 Laden

01:39:09.640 it's an attack it's

01:39:11.340 terrorism and it's

01:39:12.440 al-qaeda I knew who

01:39:13.780 they were I knew what

01:39:14.680 their intentions were

01:39:15.640 this is it they pull

01:39:17.340 this thing off we're

01:39:19.420 going to battle

01:39:19.960 stations and we were

01:39:20.960 all evacuated after

01:39:21.960 that second plane went

01:39:23.080 in because we thought

01:39:24.120 the next one that is

01:39:25.540 the shanksville plane

01:39:26.380 might be headed for us

01:39:27.280 it was complete chaos

01:39:28.580 plane flew in under

01:39:31.300 under my office my my

01:39:33.040 two assistants looked

01:39:33.920 out the window and saw

01:39:35.360 a 757 fly in under

01:39:37.240 their feet the order

01:39:39.260 then went out for

01:39:40.280 the building to be

01:39:40.900 evacuated except for

01:39:44.920 the counterterrorism

01:39:45.760 analysts as you guys

01:39:47.000 know the fba also

01:39:47.780 vacated their building

01:39:48.760 when this these attacks

01:39:49.600 went down as well

01:39:50.460 essentially decamped

01:39:51.660 from the high rises and

01:39:53.160 moved on into the

01:39:54.100 operations center I

01:39:55.040 said look she says we

01:39:56.860 can't go but you know

01:40:00.620 if you want to leave

01:40:01.440 I'll cover for you and

01:40:03.780 not one of those people

01:40:04.680 left

01:40:05.200 19 guys look at their

01:40:20.460 faces all right now we're

01:40:23.440 going to fast forward to

01:40:25.340 the dismantlement part

01:40:27.220 all right so obviously we

01:40:28.220 get attacked they pretty

01:40:29.640 much know it's been

01:40:30.240 laden what are we going to

01:40:31.640 do now is how alone the

01:40:34.180 cia felt in this period

01:40:35.420 of time because

01:40:38.180 obviously right after

01:40:38.960 the 9-11 attacks you

01:40:40.300 know everyone in the

01:40:41.600 government is pointing

01:40:42.220 fingers not sharing

01:40:43.400 information the fbi is

01:40:44.480 blaming the cia cia is

01:40:45.760 blaming the fbi uh you

01:40:47.700 know everyone you know

01:40:48.520 people are blaming ins

01:40:49.600 and you know the state

01:40:50.980 department for issuing

01:40:51.760 visas to these guys you

01:40:52.980 know it was a whole big

01:40:53.980 you know you did it you

01:40:55.560 did it you did it it's

01:40:56.420 your fault it's your fault

01:40:57.120 it's your fault which you

01:40:58.220 know led to the creation of

01:40:59.500 the department of homeland

01:41:00.300 security it led to more

01:41:01.820 comprehensive information

01:41:03.300 sharing between agencies

01:41:04.220 it led to the fbi taking

01:41:06.260 terrorism and making it

01:41:07.520 the predominant

01:41:08.420 investigative field not

01:41:10.160 the fucking mafia because

01:41:11.140 contrary to popular

01:41:11.820 belief you guys might not

01:41:12.680 know this but prior to

01:41:13.440 9-11 the fbi wasn't

01:41:15.360 really going that hard on

01:41:16.740 terrorism they're more

01:41:17.480 focused on you know

01:41:18.440 organized crime the

01:41:19.300 mafia they had a hard

01:41:20.080 on for fucking guys like

01:41:20.980 john gotti versus you

01:41:22.340 know terrorists so this

01:41:24.320 attack shifted the whole

01:41:25.900 us government to a whole

01:41:27.640 other level luckily for

01:41:28.940 the cia as you guys saw

01:41:30.080 with those reports they

01:41:31.320 had been documenting and

01:41:32.360 warning the higher ups

01:41:34.060 about bin laden for a

01:41:35.200 while the issue though

01:41:36.440 with the cia and i know

01:41:37.400 this from working with

01:41:38.040 them in the past from my

01:41:38.840 experience is they don't

01:41:40.260 share information with

01:41:40.960 other agencies it's all

01:41:42.320 good and dandy that you

01:41:43.480 guys are pressing

01:41:43.980 information up your own

01:41:45.100 you know chain of command

01:41:46.000 but the reality is if

01:41:48.080 you're not sharing it with

01:41:48.920 other agencies especially

01:41:50.780 agencies like the fbi who

01:41:52.460 are responsible for

01:41:53.140 investigating these types

01:41:54.080 of crimes especially if

01:41:55.360 they're domestic because

01:41:56.280 remember guys on the last

01:41:57.100 pod the cia knew about

01:41:58.620 two of the hijackers

01:41:59.460 living in san diego yet

01:42:00.840 they did not share that

01:42:01.580 information with the fbi

01:42:02.400 which led to a real big

01:42:03.920 battle when you don't

01:42:05.720 share information this

01:42:07.260 is what happens so

01:42:08.560 nowadays the joint

01:42:09.840 terrorism task force is

01:42:10.800 much more inclusive

01:42:11.540 agencies share a lot more

01:42:12.860 information than they

01:42:13.560 used to agencies were

01:42:14.960 merged together like the

01:42:16.180 ins service and customs to

01:42:18.900 create a more robust and

01:42:20.300 more how do i say this

01:42:21.720 two you know two in one

01:42:24.280 type deal agency right

01:42:25.620 between customs and

01:42:26.660 immigration officers being

01:42:27.500 combined you know customs

01:42:28.800 and ins special agents

01:42:30.320 being combined etc so the

01:42:32.200 government did a whole

01:42:32.940 restructure after this and

01:42:34.860 and now we're going to get

01:42:36.640 into the dismantling part of

01:42:37.860 al-qaeda after the attack

01:42:39.560 just by virtue of the

01:42:44.760 evolution of events and

01:42:45.880 history we ended up at this

01:42:47.640 moment in time with kind of

01:42:48.980 unique knowledge of this

01:42:50.340 phenomenon al-qaeda i think

01:42:54.340 the feeling all of us had was

01:42:55.920 this is on our shoulders to

01:42:57.920 prevent this from ever

01:42:58.940 happening again the day of

01:43:02.840 9-11 the president pulled us

01:43:05.080 together and said i want to

01:43:06.860 see a war plan here well yeah

01:43:10.220 bush wasn't fucking around

01:43:11.280 guys after 9-11 attacks and

01:43:13.540 actually i want to show you

01:43:14.380 guys a quick little video and

01:43:16.480 some of you guys might be too

01:43:17.340 young to remember this but i

01:43:18.360 think this is really important

01:43:19.380 also for my you know red pill

01:43:21.080 guys out there this right here

01:43:22.800 what i'm about to show y'all is

01:43:24.160 the definition the pure

01:43:26.500 definition of maintaining

01:43:28.380 frame during a crisis and i'm

01:43:30.600 going to show you this

01:43:31.080 interview while i play what

01:43:32.920 bush's response was at these

01:43:34.460 attacks that we've been

01:43:36.360 working on this for a long

01:43:52.800 all right so check this guys

01:44:12.380 hold on a second

01:44:15.720 so you just search here

01:44:22.800 right george bush

01:44:28.060 9-11 right

01:44:31.760 good evening

01:44:36.200 today our fellow citizens

01:44:39.220 our way of life i'll just play a

01:44:41.720 clip of this but as you guys can

01:44:42.660 see this was on september 11th

01:44:44.200 itself right after the attacks

01:44:45.880 look at the frame control from

01:44:48.160 george bush

01:44:48.800 our very freedom came under attack

01:44:52.080 in a series of deliberate and

01:44:54.460 deadly terrorist acts

01:44:56.240 the victims were in airplanes or in

01:45:00.500 their offices

01:45:01.120 secretaries businessmen and women

01:45:03.940 military and federal workers

01:45:06.240 moms and dads

01:45:08.140 friends and neighbors

01:45:09.940 thousands of lives were suddenly

01:45:13.040 ended by evil

01:45:14.080 despicable acts of terror the pictures

01:45:18.540 of airplanes flying into buildings

01:45:20.340 fires burning huge huge structures

01:45:23.760 collapsing have filled us with

01:45:26.200 disbelief terrible sadness and a quiet

01:45:31.060 unyielding anger these acts of mass

01:45:35.560 murder were intended to frighten our

01:45:37.260 nation into chaos and retreat but they

01:45:40.640 have failed our country is strong a great

01:45:45.000 people has been moved to defend a great

01:45:47.400 nation a w for w george george w bush my

01:45:50.720 friends w for gw

01:45:53.020 terrorist attacks can shake the foundations of our

01:45:57.620 biggest buildings

01:45:58.400 but they cannot touch the foundation of

01:46:01.420 america

01:46:01.940 bars

01:46:02.780 these acts shatter steel

01:46:04.500 but they cannot dent the steel of

01:46:07.340 american resolve

01:46:08.400 bars

01:46:09.080 america was targeted for attack because

01:46:11.820 we're the brightest beacon for freedom

01:46:13.540 and opportunity in the world

01:46:15.480 facts that's why they took down the twin

01:46:17.380 towers and this is specifically why

01:46:19.260 ksm and ramsey yousef tried so hard to go

01:46:21.760 after wcc or the world trade center

01:46:23.920 because the that symbolized american

01:46:26.340 path of power affluence and um economic

01:46:30.120 strength so they went after something that

01:46:31.860 symbolized that

01:46:32.620 and no one will keep that light from

01:46:36.720 shining

01:46:37.140 bam

01:46:37.680 today our nation saw evil

01:46:40.140 the very worst of human nature

01:46:42.640 and we responded with the best of america

01:46:45.940 with the daring of our rescue workers

01:46:48.900 with the caring of for strangers and

01:46:51.420 neighbors who came to give blood

01:46:52.900 and help in any way they could

01:46:55.200 immediately following the first attack

01:46:58.320 i implemented our government's emergency response plans

01:47:02.120 which was a part of what you just heard telling

01:47:04.540 the cia we need a war plan

01:47:06.180 our military is powerful

01:47:08.420 and it's prepared

01:47:09.800 our emergency teams are working in new york city

01:47:12.940 and washington dc

01:47:14.220 to help with local rescue efforts

01:47:16.540 our first priority is to get help to those who have been injured

01:47:20.240 and to take every precaution

01:47:22.680 to protect our citizens at home

01:47:25.040 and around the world from further attacks

01:47:27.660 i remember watching this speech as a kid

01:47:29.980 like not really knowing what's going on

01:47:32.300 but watching it back

01:47:33.280 you know

01:47:34.100 damn near two decades later

01:47:35.700 over two decades later

01:47:36.760 it's surreal guys

01:47:38.540 and seeing how calm he is

01:47:40.780 how collected he is

01:47:41.820 uh the unwavering intensity

01:47:44.960 i mean this is probably one of the best speeches

01:47:47.360 i've seen bush ever deliver

01:47:49.140 let alone let a president deliver

01:47:50.480 after such uh a terrible act

01:47:53.240 you know

01:47:53.700 this is my friend's uh textbook leadership 101

01:47:56.580 the functions of our government continue without interruption

01:48:00.820 federal agencies in washington

01:48:03.540 which had to be evacuated today

01:48:05.480 are reopening for essential personnel tonight

01:48:08.300 and will be open for business tomorrow

01:48:10.700 bars

01:48:11.920 our financial institutions remain strong

01:48:14.940 and the american economy will be open for business as well

01:48:18.540 the search

01:48:20.660 letting the terrorists know that you can't stop us

01:48:22.620 is underway for those who are behind these evil acts

01:48:25.480 i've directed the full resources of our intelligence and law enforcement communities

01:48:30.400 to find those responsible

01:48:32.260 and to bring them to justice

01:48:34.640 patriot act

01:48:36.260 oh sorry

01:48:37.400 my my

01:48:38.280 i forgot my mic was muted

01:48:39.640 we will make no distinction

01:48:42.140 between the terrorists who committed these acts

01:48:45.100 and those who harbor them

01:48:47.320 i appreciate so very much the members of congress

01:48:51.180 who have joined me in strongly condemning these attacks

01:48:53.660 and on behalf of the american people

01:48:56.240 i thank the many world leaders who have called to offer their condolences

01:49:00.320 and assistance

01:49:01.560 america and our friends and allies

01:49:05.140 join with all those who want peace and security in the world

01:49:08.840 and we stand together to win the war

01:49:11.780 against terrorism

01:49:13.220 bars

01:49:14.740 you guys get the idea

01:49:19.060 but that right there my friends is textbook 101 frame control

01:49:23.240 something that we can all learn from

01:49:25.320 to check the documentary

01:49:29.640 challenge when you look at al-qaeda after 9-11

01:49:32.400 was to understand it well enough

01:49:34.000 first to disrupt it and then dismantle it

01:49:35.900 we're not in the business of disruption alone

01:49:38.340 because if you disrupt an organization

01:49:40.160 the adversary is so committed

01:49:41.600 i mean they believe that what they do is inspired by a holy book

01:49:44.640 that they'll just go out and plot another attack

01:49:47.060 i gotta show you guys one more clip

01:49:48.940 it's my bad

01:49:49.780 this is uh too fucking lit right here

01:49:52.680 so this is george bush

01:49:56.360 um visiting ground zero right after the attack

01:49:59.480 and check this out

01:50:00.160 thank you all

01:50:03.520 i uh i want you all to know

01:50:09.340 i can't go any live

01:50:12.340 i want you all to know

01:50:16.720 that america today

01:50:19.780 america today

01:50:21.720 is on bended knee

01:50:24.260 in prayer for the people whose lives were lost here

01:50:28.480 for the workers who work here

01:50:31.000 for the families who work

01:50:33.300 i think this was on september 12th or september 13th

01:50:36.020 like right after you did that address

01:50:37.220 this is this is such an awesome clip guys

01:50:39.440 this nation stands

01:50:42.180 with the good people of new york city

01:50:44.220 and new jersey and connecticut

01:50:46.520 as we mourn the loss

01:50:48.900 of thousands of our citizens

01:50:51.140 i can hear you

01:50:55.360 hey

01:50:57.860 so you guys can hear someone in the crowd kind of saying

01:51:03.600 we can't hear you

01:51:04.500 we can't hear you

01:51:05.220 and he responds

01:51:05.880 i can hear you though

01:51:07.160 you know

01:51:08.080 i can hear you

01:51:14.420 the rest of the world hears you

01:51:16.540 and the people

01:51:17.860 and the people who knocked these buildings down

01:51:24.420 will hear all of us soon

01:51:26.560 that's what i'm fucking talking about

01:51:31.220 american flags in the fucking chat man

01:51:35.340 y'all know what time it is

01:51:36.620 i had to show you guys that clip man

01:51:38.200 that right there my friends

01:51:40.060 is textbook 101 frame control

01:51:43.320 and taking a shitty situation

01:51:45.480 galvanizing your people

01:51:47.620 and uniting them against a common front man

01:51:50.640 so shout out to george w bush

01:51:52.580 for staying steadfast

01:51:54.320 in a crisis man

01:51:56.800 where many other presidents would have cracked

01:51:58.500 and i don't think george bush gets enough credit

01:52:00.500 for uh having quite frankly

01:52:02.660 the hardest hardest presidency

01:52:04.020 that any other president has had to endure

01:52:06.080 so the business really became dismantlement

01:52:09.640 how do we destroy it

01:52:10.660 and that's a people business

01:52:11.760 how do you find the operators

01:52:17.280 financiers

01:52:17.980 trainers

01:52:18.400 etc

01:52:18.900 and how can you know

01:52:20.700 where they're going to be tomorrow

01:52:21.540 so you can pick them up

01:52:22.420 the explosion

01:52:26.760 of intelligence

01:52:28.040 at cia

01:52:28.840 after

01:52:29.420 9-1-1

01:52:30.100 is hard to imagine

01:52:30.860 you have a small group of people

01:52:32.940 in alex station

01:52:33.700 who are looking at the problem

01:52:34.840 pre-9-1-1

01:52:35.580 so alex station guys

01:52:36.700 was the group of analysts

01:52:37.940 that were responsible

01:52:39.140 for looking at 9-11

01:52:40.320 and tracking galvanic way before

01:52:42.460 obviously it was only a team

01:52:43.560 of like three to four girls

01:52:44.620 one like operative

01:52:45.940 so obviously they didn't prioritize it

01:52:47.660 for you know

01:52:48.500 serious obvious reasons

01:52:49.540 but now

01:52:50.560 since they were able to identify

01:52:52.740 galvanic as the main perpetrator

01:52:53.980 thanks to the fbi

01:52:54.860 now the cia is going

01:52:56.740 and well they had already known this as well

01:52:58.380 but

01:52:59.120 now at this point

01:53:00.240 they're allocating way more resources

01:53:01.820 to that alex section

01:53:03.320 they had limited resources

01:53:06.080 after 9-1-1

01:53:08.580 that small core group of people

01:53:10.460 is dwarfed

01:53:11.640 by the newcomers

01:53:12.960 into the center post 9-1-1

01:53:14.300 so that lady that was crying

01:53:19.340 is finally about to start to

01:53:20.440 is finally about to

01:53:21.560 actually get some support now

01:53:22.760 it was a foundational change

01:53:26.220 in the organization

01:53:27.040 foundational charge

01:53:30.660 for everyone in the government

01:53:31.880 after

01:53:32.580 they needed

01:53:37.340 managerial horsepower

01:53:39.340 to support

01:53:40.940 the increase

01:53:42.820 in people

01:53:43.520 and budget

01:53:44.120 I did not know enough

01:53:47.360 about al-qaeda

01:53:48.300 just what little

01:53:49.840 I had read in the press

01:53:50.680 was not my specialty

01:53:52.620 but you know

01:53:55.680 if you've had

01:53:56.640 25 years

01:53:58.540 of experience

01:53:59.500 you come

01:54:00.640 with a pretty good sense

01:54:02.360 of what needs to be done

01:54:04.260 even if it's a new target

01:54:05.600 for you

01:54:06.260 pretty quickly

01:54:07.940 so they bring this guy in

01:54:09.060 you learn

01:54:09.960 with some hired muscle

01:54:10.860 you need to learn

01:54:11.720 about that target

01:54:12.260 Jose Rodriguez

01:54:21.260 ran the CIA's

01:54:22.460 counterterrorism center

01:54:23.400 and he actually wrote a book as well

01:54:25.680 if I'm not mistaken guys

01:54:26.660 I became the head

01:54:29.100 of counterterrorism center

01:54:30.220 just about the time

01:54:32.700 when we were dealing

01:54:34.080 with all these threats

01:54:35.060 I mean it was daily

01:54:36.940 constant intelligence

01:54:38.500 coming about

01:54:39.720 a second wave of attacks

01:54:42.220 but I had a reputation

01:54:45.460 for building strong teams

01:54:46.820 the phone rang

01:54:50.060 the senior came online

01:54:51.700 basically said

01:54:52.740 we need to come back

01:54:53.660 you know the gravity

01:54:55.280 of the situation

01:54:56.100 and here he is

01:54:57.500 right here guys

01:54:58.200 Jose Rodriguez

01:55:00.260 you need

01:55:02.700 and let me pull him up

01:55:04.580 real fast for y'all

01:55:14.340 bear with me here guys

01:55:15.280 sorry

01:55:15.620 director of national

01:55:18.820 clandestine service

01:55:19.720 so this guy was like

01:55:20.560 the top dude

01:55:21.800 for all the international

01:55:22.920 operations

01:55:23.500 you know where they're

01:55:24.100 waterboarding people and shit

01:55:25.160 this dude was the one

01:55:26.100 overseeing it

01:55:26.840 he's an American

01:55:29.020 former intelligence officer

01:55:29.840 who served as the director

01:55:30.620 of national clandestine service

01:55:32.260 national central

01:55:33.520 intelligence agency

01:55:34.180 which means basically

01:55:35.060 all the you know

01:55:35.800 dark side shit that we do

01:55:36.800 I'm the president of that

01:55:37.720 he was the CIA

01:55:38.640 deputy director

01:55:39.560 for operations

01:55:40.240 before that position

01:55:41.020 expanded to

01:55:41.660 deputy NCS

01:55:43.080 in December 2004

01:55:44.820 Rodriguez was central figure

01:55:46.280 in the 2005 CIA

01:55:47.220 interrogation

01:55:47.980 videotapes destruction

01:55:49.100 leading to the New York Times

01:55:50.300 leading to the New York Times

01:55:52.060 editorial board

01:55:53.520 and human rights watch

01:55:54.320 to call for his prosecution

01:55:55.540 so yeah

01:55:57.020 obviously you know

01:55:57.820 this dude took the

01:55:58.840 the patron act

01:56:00.200 to another level

01:56:00.700 we authorized a bunch

01:56:01.680 of waterboarding baby

01:56:02.600 this dude was

01:56:03.540 we might as well

01:56:04.260 change his name to

01:56:04.980 waterboard Rodriguez

01:56:06.260 so but hey man

01:56:11.040 this was a different time

01:56:12.000 they were really trying

01:56:12.760 to catch these guys

01:56:13.460 so they were like

01:56:14.460 we don't give a fuck

01:56:15.400 you know this was a very

01:56:16.740 volatile time for the US

01:56:18.580 come back and do what you do

01:56:20.840 Marty Martin led the war

01:56:26.400 on Al Qaeda

01:56:27.960 the CIA's war

01:56:28.680 so this was the operative guys

01:56:30.040 that was working

01:56:30.980 recruiting sources etc

01:56:32.200 in the Middle East

01:56:33.260 when this all went down

01:56:34.040 the part of Alex Station

01:56:34.880 basically came back

01:56:38.060 to be the

01:56:40.120 senior manager

01:56:42.000 for the

01:56:44.520 worldwide effort

01:56:45.900 against

01:56:46.440 Al Qaeda

01:56:47.580 I had a

01:56:49.840 multi-dimensional

01:56:50.860 responsibility

01:56:51.840 I had to protect

01:56:52.820 my people

01:56:53.280 you know

01:56:53.740 we changed the rule book

01:56:56.960 a bit

01:56:57.420 Patriot Act

01:56:58.860 we were empowered more

01:57:02.340 Patriot Act

01:57:04.880 we did things more aggressive

01:57:07.560 Patriot Act

01:57:10.560 I love how he like

01:57:13.000 doesn't want to refer

01:57:14.600 to the Patriot Act

01:57:15.880 and all of its like

01:57:16.760 crazy expanded powers

01:57:18.300 that allowed

01:57:18.760 government officials

01:57:20.120 like him

01:57:20.660 my job is to kill

01:57:24.720 Al Qaeda

01:57:25.300 either get

01:57:28.980 shoulder to shoulder

01:57:30.260 and get with us

01:57:31.000 or get out of our way

01:57:32.220 so after 9-11

01:57:37.040 guys

01:57:37.340 these dudes

01:57:37.880 pretty much got

01:57:38.740 free reign

01:57:39.540 to do whatever

01:57:40.280 the fuck

01:57:40.680 they wanted

01:57:41.180 I mean

01:57:41.840 hell

01:57:42.020 think about it

01:57:42.620 they were trying

01:57:43.440 to prosecute

01:57:44.160 Jose Rodriguez

01:57:45.480 for

01:57:46.260 some of the shit

01:57:47.380 that he was doing

01:57:47.980 so that goes to show

01:57:48.680 you guys

01:57:48.980 the level of authority

01:57:49.900 and latitude

01:57:50.360 the Patriot Act

01:57:51.080 gave to these individuals

01:57:52.320 that years after

01:57:53.400 the attacks

01:57:54.360 they were like

01:57:55.720 hmm

01:57:55.980 maybe you guys

01:57:56.520 have too much power

01:57:57.420 but once again

01:57:58.740 it illustrates

01:57:59.280 how badly

01:58:00.120 the United States

01:58:00.740 wanted Bin Laden

01:58:01.400 and members of Al Qaeda

01:58:02.320 we had been

01:58:05.680 focusing on

01:58:06.660 capturing

01:58:07.320 Abu Zubaydah

01:58:08.740 we also spoke

01:58:12.540 about him

01:58:13.020 on the last episode

01:58:13.960 wait

01:58:14.520 Ali Sufani

01:58:15.060 interviewing him

01:58:15.680 go check that pod

01:58:16.600 for more info

01:58:17.120 if you want

01:58:17.520 he knew

01:58:20.080 who the leadership

01:58:21.720 was

01:58:22.400 he knew

01:58:23.480 their methods

01:58:24.260 of attack

01:58:24.880 their targets

01:58:25.680 he was the highest

01:58:31.480 level Al Qaeda

01:58:32.500 terrorist

01:58:32.980 that we had

01:58:33.560 ever captured

01:58:34.140 so obviously

01:58:36.740 a high value target

01:58:37.640 he got all kinds

01:58:38.660 of water boring

01:58:39.220 guaranteed

01:58:39.780 when we captured

01:58:46.360 him in March

01:58:47.420 he was severely

01:58:48.780 wounded

01:58:49.200 yeah

01:58:50.380 I wonder how

01:58:51.480 and we knew

01:58:55.020 we had to get

01:58:55.520 him out of

01:58:55.840 Pakistan

01:58:56.280 and in the

01:58:58.200 the way

01:58:59.480 the US

01:59:00.320 had dealt

01:59:01.160 with issues

01:59:01.780 like this

01:59:02.420 was to

01:59:03.080 transfer

01:59:03.660 the

01:59:04.500 terrorists

01:59:05.100 to a friendly

01:59:06.200 country

01:59:06.680 for interrogation

01:59:07.720 but

01:59:08.940 we needed

01:59:09.620 to take

01:59:10.040 responsibility

01:59:10.740 for high level

01:59:11.900 terrorists

01:59:12.380 ourselves

01:59:13.120 so we understood

01:59:15.900 what we had

01:59:16.400 to do

01:59:16.780 and we did

01:59:18.300 it

01:59:18.480 waterboarding

01:59:23.220 we took

01:59:25.620 a lot of

01:59:26.300 bad guys

01:59:26.780 off the

01:59:27.140 streets

01:59:27.540 to the

01:59:29.100 black sites

01:59:29.560 guys

01:59:29.900 and they

01:59:30.860 got put

01:59:31.440 up in

01:59:31.740 this

01:59:31.960 now

01:59:32.320 public

01:59:32.660 knowledge

01:59:33.020 and

01:59:33.260 nice

01:59:34.140 little

01:59:34.480 let's

01:59:36.140 just say

01:59:36.460 boutique

01:59:40.520 locations

01:59:41.420 bro

01:59:42.040 yo

01:59:42.800 there is

01:59:43.260 nothing

01:59:43.560 funnier

01:59:44.100 than

01:59:44.920 watching

01:59:45.780 CIA

01:59:46.720 employees

01:59:47.360 talk about

01:59:48.580 shit

01:59:48.840 that used

01:59:49.380 to be

01:59:49.640 super

01:59:49.900 classified

01:59:50.360 that's

01:59:51.140 declassified

01:59:51.900 now

01:59:52.300 and

01:59:53.180 seeing

01:59:53.600 them

01:59:53.800 like

01:59:54.060 not

01:59:54.560 want

01:59:54.820 to

01:59:54.940 admit

01:59:55.180 what

01:59:55.380 the

01:59:55.520 fuck

01:59:55.660 was

01:59:55.800 going

01:59:55.960 on

01:59:56.120 when

01:59:56.240 clearly

01:59:56.540 what

01:59:56.780 it's

01:59:57.160 declassified

01:59:57.760 by now

01:59:58.060 but that

01:59:58.360 just goes

01:59:58.680 to show

01:59:58.960 like

01:59:59.180 their

01:59:59.640 fucking

01:59:59.940 mindset

02:00:00.260 of

02:00:00.440 can't

02:00:00.840 share

02:00:00.940 information

02:00:01.280 can't

02:00:01.600 share

02:00:01.680 information

02:00:02.080 you know

02:00:02.600 because I've

02:00:02.880 worked

02:00:03.040 with a

02:00:03.260 couple

02:00:03.420 spooks

02:00:03.700 myself

02:00:03.980 guys

02:00:04.320 and

02:00:04.480 they're

02:00:04.680 super

02:00:05.040 secretive

02:00:05.540 for no

02:00:05.820 fucking

02:00:06.080 reason

02:00:06.380 it could

02:00:07.040 be

02:00:07.300 stuff

02:00:07.860 that's

02:00:08.120 not

02:00:08.280 even

02:00:08.460 classified

02:00:08.860 anymore

02:00:09.240 you'll

02:00:09.560 ask

02:00:09.800 them

02:00:09.920 for

02:00:10.060 and

02:00:10.160 they'll

02:00:10.240 be like

02:00:10.380 oh

02:00:10.640 sorry

02:00:10.960 what

02:00:11.460 you

02:00:11.540 need

02:00:11.700 to

02:00:11.820 know

02:00:12.040 so

02:00:12.560 you

02:00:13.060 can

02:00:13.240 see

02:00:13.480 just

02:00:13.680 from

02:00:13.820 their

02:00:13.960 mannerisms

02:00:14.500 and

02:00:14.800 how

02:00:15.280 they're

02:00:15.600 even

02:00:16.180 talking

02:00:16.540 about

02:00:16.860 black

02:00:17.140 sites

02:00:17.360 or

02:00:17.480 whatever

02:00:17.720 that

02:00:17.980 they

02:00:18.380 just

02:00:18.540 have

02:00:18.700 a

02:00:18.860 habit

02:00:19.220 of

02:00:19.880 not

02:00:20.120 talking

02:00:20.500 about

02:00:20.740 certain

02:00:21.040 things

02:00:21.380 even

02:00:21.720 though

02:00:21.980 it's

02:00:22.220 fucking

02:00:22.480 public

02:00:22.780 information

02:00:23.280 nowadays

02:00:23.740 but

02:00:24.400 I

02:00:24.700 figured

02:00:25.120 you guys

02:00:25.480 would

02:00:25.660 just

02:00:25.880 pick

02:00:26.360 up

02:00:26.500 on

02:00:26.660 that

02:00:26.780 it's

02:00:26.880 kind

02:00:27.020 of

02:00:27.100 funny

02:00:27.340 basically

02:00:39.260 you have

02:00:39.760 two

02:00:40.060 things

02:00:40.440 you have

02:00:40.880 to bring

02:00:41.160 with you

02:00:41.420 to an

02:00:41.700 interrogation

02:00:42.220 room

02:00:42.500 especially

02:00:43.180 with

02:00:43.480 individuals

02:00:44.000 like

02:00:44.280 al-qaeda

02:00:44.660 so

02:00:45.660 this

02:00:45.840 is

02:00:45.940 Ali

02:00:46.120 Sufan

02:00:46.460 guys

02:00:46.720 he's

02:00:47.420 an

02:00:47.560 FBI

02:00:47.880 agent

02:00:48.300 and

02:00:49.180 what

02:00:49.340 you're

02:00:49.460 about

02:00:49.580 to

02:00:49.720 see

02:00:50.000 is

02:00:50.680 the

02:00:50.820 incredible

02:00:51.260 difference

02:00:53.260 between

02:00:53.620 how CIA

02:00:54.220 does

02:00:54.540 things

02:00:54.840 and

02:00:55.260 how

02:00:55.380 the

02:00:55.500 FBI

02:00:55.760 does

02:00:56.060 things

02:00:56.360 and

02:00:57.020 I

02:00:57.120 think

02:00:57.260 this

02:00:57.420 is

02:00:57.520 a

02:00:57.660 perfect

02:00:57.960 illustration

02:00:58.540 of

02:00:59.520 why

02:01:00.480 they're

02:01:00.740 so

02:01:01.060 different

02:01:01.540 agencies

02:01:02.400 you have

02:01:04.660 to bring

02:01:05.000 knowledge

02:01:05.420 and you

02:01:06.280 have

02:01:06.440 to bring

02:01:06.960 empathy

02:01:08.560 and

02:01:09.580 if you

02:01:10.020 don't

02:01:10.140 have

02:01:10.300 those

02:01:10.520 two

02:01:10.780 I

02:01:11.280 think

02:01:11.760 most

02:01:12.100 probably

02:01:12.500 you're

02:01:12.820 going

02:01:12.840 to

02:01:12.960 fail

02:01:13.240 he

02:01:14.760 gave

02:01:15.000 us

02:01:15.140 a

02:01:15.320 couple

02:01:15.580 of

02:01:15.760 pieces

02:01:16.000 information

02:01:16.640 in

02:01:16.980 that

02:01:17.180 early

02:01:17.640 phase

02:01:18.240 not

02:01:21.360 to

02:01:21.520 mention

02:01:21.700 guys

02:01:22.000 Ali

02:01:22.560 Sufan

02:01:22.880 interviewed

02:01:23.200 this

02:01:23.420 guy

02:01:23.560 as

02:01:23.720 well

02:01:23.880 as

02:01:24.020 the

02:01:24.140 CIA

02:01:24.380 did

02:01:24.620 both

02:01:24.880 of

02:01:24.980 them

02:01:25.320 but

02:01:26.280 then

02:01:26.520 he

02:01:26.680 stopped

02:01:26.940 talking

02:01:27.360 when

02:01:28.100 he

02:01:28.360 regained

02:01:28.840 his

02:01:29.080 strength

02:01:29.680 he

02:01:29.860 stopped

02:01:30.140 talking

02:01:30.520 and

02:01:32.660 we

02:01:33.000 became

02:01:33.400 convinced

02:01:33.900 that

02:01:35.040 we

02:01:35.420 had to

02:01:35.780 come up

02:01:36.100 with

02:01:36.300 a new

02:01:36.700 alternative

02:01:37.460 to doing

02:01:37.960 this

02:01:38.180 because

02:01:38.340 it was

02:01:38.700 not

02:01:38.880 working

02:01:39.280 the

02:01:42.380 CIO

02:01:42.640 received

02:01:43.080 house

02:01:43.420 approval

02:01:43.860 for

02:01:44.500 enhanced

02:01:45.120 interrogations

02:01:47.560 shit's

02:01:50.380 about

02:01:50.560 to

02:01:50.680 get

02:01:50.840 real

02:01:51.220 12

02:01:56.200 techniques

02:01:56.800 and

02:02:01.000 I'll

02:02:01.200 outline

02:02:01.500 them

02:02:01.680 for you

02:02:01.940 guys

02:02:02.120 here

02:02:02.260 in

02:02:02.340 a

02:02:02.440 second

02:02:32.720 his

02:02:32.900 family

02:02:33.260 use

02:02:33.840 of

02:02:34.020 mild

02:02:34.260 non

02:02:34.540 injurious

02:02:35.000 physical

02:02:35.400 contact

02:02:35.760 such as

02:02:36.140 grabbing

02:02:36.440 exposure

02:02:37.100 to

02:02:37.280 cold

02:02:37.460 weather

02:02:37.700 or

02:02:37.940 water

02:02:38.220 use

02:02:38.840 of

02:02:38.980 a

02:02:39.080 wet

02:02:39.240 towel

02:02:39.560 and

02:02:40.320 dripping

02:02:40.620 water

02:02:41.000 to

02:02:41.220 induce

02:02:41.580 the

02:02:41.820 misperception

02:02:43.580 of

02:02:45.380 suffocation

02:02:45.860 which is

02:02:46.840 aka

02:02:47.360 waterboarding

02:02:48.020 guys

02:02:48.300 the worst

02:02:48.860 torture

02:02:49.280 technique

02:02:50.060 that the

02:02:50.620 US

02:02:50.860 employs

02:02:51.260 eight

02:03:00.160 of the

02:03:00.500 12

02:03:00.740 techniques

02:03:01.320 in my

02:03:02.100 humble

02:03:02.500 opinion

02:03:02.900 were

02:03:03.300 pretty

02:03:03.580 wimpy

02:03:03.880 stuff

02:03:04.380 of

02:03:06.540 course

02:03:06.780 you

02:03:06.940 would

02:03:07.060 say

02:03:07.260 that

02:03:07.520 Jose

02:03:07.800 your

02:03:08.100 name

02:03:08.360 is

02:03:08.520 waterboard

02:03:09.040 Rodriguez

02:03:09.540 you know

02:03:11.800 like

02:03:12.000 slapping

02:03:12.440 give me

02:03:12.700 a break

02:03:13.160 okay

02:03:14.140 might

02:03:14.340 be

02:03:14.520 unpleasant

02:03:14.980 to

02:03:15.260 slap

02:03:15.540 somebody

02:03:15.920 but

02:03:16.300 it's

02:03:16.440 not

02:03:16.620 torture

02:03:17.040 grabbing

02:03:18.280 someone

02:03:18.660 from

02:03:18.900 the

02:03:19.120 lapel

02:03:19.520 bring

02:03:19.840 them

02:03:19.960 to

02:03:20.480 you

02:03:20.740 may

02:03:21.580 be

02:03:21.740 unpleasant

02:03:22.240 and

02:03:22.860 it's

02:03:23.180 an

02:03:23.280 attention

02:03:23.640 grabber

02:03:24.000 but

02:03:24.180 it's

02:03:24.340 not

02:03:24.580 torture

02:03:25.120 now

02:03:25.940 y'all

02:03:26.100 see

02:03:26.300 why

02:03:26.480 they

02:03:26.640 brought

02:03:26.840 this

02:03:27.020 guy

02:03:27.220 in

02:03:27.480 to

02:03:27.800 oversee

02:03:28.080 the

02:03:28.260 clandestine

02:03:28.900 operations

02:03:29.980 the CIA

02:03:30.520 he was

02:03:31.000 the head

02:03:31.260 guy

02:03:31.640 for all

02:03:32.280 the

02:03:32.380 waterboarding

02:03:32.860 we

02:03:35.020 didn't

02:03:35.260 ask for

02:03:35.660 this

02:03:35.880 we did

02:03:36.400 not

02:03:36.600 ask

02:03:36.900 to

02:03:37.040 get

02:03:37.220 attacked

02:03:37.780 they

02:03:38.780 did

02:03:39.040 it

02:03:39.300 and

02:03:40.400 so

02:03:40.640 if

02:03:40.840 we

02:03:41.000 can't

02:03:41.240 make

02:03:41.380 them

02:03:41.540 uncomfortable

02:03:42.200 to

02:03:43.400 save

02:03:43.720 lives

02:03:44.180 this

02:03:44.660 we

02:03:45.180 missed

02:03:45.520 the boat

02:03:45.900 here

02:03:46.180 I

02:03:46.960 believe

02:03:47.800 that

02:03:48.160 the

02:03:48.300 intention

02:03:48.680 was

02:03:50.740 this

02:03:50.980 to

02:03:51.120 happen

02:03:51.420 let's

02:03:53.060 do

02:03:53.200 whatever

02:03:53.480 needs

02:03:53.760 to

02:03:53.900 be

02:03:54.020 done

02:03:54.260 they're

02:03:54.540 straight

02:03:55.140 up

02:03:55.540 haters

02:03:56.780 there

02:03:57.060 is

02:03:57.260 no

02:03:57.500 reasoning

02:03:58.260 with

02:03:58.560 some

02:03:58.740 individuals

02:03:59.260 who

02:03:59.920 were

02:04:00.120 at

02:04:00.420 the

02:04:00.540 time

02:04:00.840 in

02:04:02.460 places

02:04:02.780 to

02:04:02.960 make

02:04:03.100 decisions

02:04:03.580 believe

02:04:04.480 that

02:04:04.660 the

02:04:04.780 only

02:04:04.960 reason

02:04:05.280 you

02:04:05.460 deal

02:04:05.660 with

02:04:05.800 these

02:04:05.940 individuals

02:04:06.360 is

02:04:06.740 by

02:04:07.020 techniques

02:04:08.280 like

02:04:08.500 this

02:04:08.880 if

02:04:09.080 you

02:04:09.160 deal

02:04:09.340 with

02:04:09.440 some

02:04:09.560 of

02:04:09.640 the

02:04:09.720 hardcore

02:04:10.280 RTT

02:04:11.660 knees

02:04:12.060 they

02:04:12.700 might

02:04:12.920 have

02:04:13.020 become

02:04:13.340 compliant

02:04:13.980 and

02:04:15.160 they

02:04:15.280 may

02:04:15.420 be

02:04:15.620 jovial

02:04:16.040 and

02:04:16.220 engaging

02:04:16.680 but

02:04:17.280 if

02:04:17.420 you

02:04:17.540 ask

02:04:17.800 him

02:04:17.960 what

02:04:18.120 are

02:04:18.220 you

02:04:18.300 going

02:04:18.420 to

02:04:18.500 do

02:04:18.740 if

02:04:19.200 you

02:04:19.300 ever

02:04:19.460 get

02:04:19.640 out

02:04:19.980 and

02:04:20.980 go

02:04:21.140 I'm

02:04:21.340 going

02:04:21.460 to

02:04:21.560 come

02:04:21.880 kill

02:04:22.140 you

02:04:22.460 my

02:04:24.380 friend

02:04:24.700 all

02:04:26.740 the

02:04:26.920 information

02:04:27.460 all

02:04:28.160 right

02:04:28.280 so

02:04:28.420 you

02:04:28.500 guys

02:04:28.640 are

02:04:28.740 about

02:04:28.860 to

02:04:28.960 see

02:04:29.060 the

02:04:29.200 differences

02:04:29.540 between

02:04:29.880 the

02:04:30.040 two

02:04:30.180 agencies

02:04:30.520 I

02:04:30.720 love

02:04:30.980 how

02:04:31.100 they're

02:04:31.280 doing

02:04:31.420 this

02:04:31.580 back

02:04:31.800 and

02:04:31.920 forth

02:04:32.120 here

02:04:32.320 so

02:04:32.920 you

02:04:33.240 got

02:04:33.400 Ali

02:04:33.660 Sufan

02:04:33.980 here

02:04:34.140 FBI

02:04:34.440 agent

02:04:34.700 you

02:04:34.840 got

02:04:34.980 the

02:04:35.140 other

02:04:35.320 guy

02:04:35.620 CIA

02:04:36.340 operative

02:04:36.800 look

02:04:37.200 at

02:04:37.340 the

02:04:37.520 vast

02:04:37.840 difference

02:04:38.140 in

02:04:38.300 how

02:04:38.440 they

02:04:38.620 conduct

02:04:38.900 their

02:04:39.100 interviews

02:04:39.500 and

02:04:40.320 how

02:04:40.680 they

02:04:40.840 get

02:04:41.020 information

02:04:41.440 out

02:04:41.780 of

02:04:41.960 suspects

02:04:42.620 and

02:04:42.960 or

02:04:43.080 detainees

02:04:43.540 that

02:04:45.080 came

02:04:46.080 from

02:04:46.340 Abu

02:04:46.540 Zubayra

02:04:46.920 we

02:04:47.500 got

02:04:47.880 before

02:04:49.600 water

02:04:49.880 most

02:04:51.180 of

02:04:51.380 these

02:04:51.580 things

02:04:51.900 came

02:04:52.240 from

02:04:52.720 traditional

02:04:53.640 interrogation

02:04:54.460 techniques

02:04:54.940 by

02:04:55.980 showing

02:04:56.340 people

02:04:56.640 evidence

02:04:57.160 by

02:04:57.720 putting

02:04:58.040 detainees

02:04:58.480 against

02:04:58.740 each

02:04:58.980 other

02:04:59.260 by

02:04:59.680 pocket

02:05:00.040 litter

02:05:00.320 so

02:05:00.980 the

02:05:01.160 traditional

02:05:01.640 interrogation

02:05:02.360 techniques

02:05:02.820 pocket

02:05:03.200 litter

02:05:03.420 guys

02:05:03.740 is

02:05:03.980 also

02:05:04.280 known

02:05:04.520 as

02:05:04.660 pocket

02:05:04.940 trash

02:05:05.240 is

02:05:05.440 when

02:05:05.700 whenever

02:05:06.520 you're

02:05:06.740 arrested

02:05:07.020 agents

02:05:07.940 sometimes

02:05:08.340 will

02:05:08.600 you know

02:05:09.100 take

02:05:09.300 the

02:05:09.560 things

02:05:09.980 out

02:05:10.120 of

02:05:10.200 your

02:05:10.280 contents

02:05:10.600 out

02:05:10.800 of

02:05:10.840 your

02:05:10.920 pocket

02:05:11.300 you know

02:05:11.920 search

02:05:12.240 your car

02:05:12.520 incident

02:05:12.760 to

02:05:12.920 arrest

02:05:13.180 etc

02:05:13.520 and

02:05:14.340 what

02:05:14.600 that

02:05:14.780 does

02:05:15.000 a lot

02:05:15.160 of

02:05:15.260 times

02:05:15.480 is

02:05:19.880 been

02:05:20.220 paper

02:05:20.920 receipts

02:05:21.500 other

02:05:22.540 evidence

02:05:23.100 and or

02:05:23.440 other

02:05:23.760 things

02:05:24.740 that may

02:05:25.020 lead to

02:05:25.320 a search

02:05:25.660 warrant

02:05:25.900 or develop

02:05:26.320 the

02:05:26.460 investigation

02:05:26.920 more

02:05:27.300 so

02:05:28.000 on one

02:05:29.220 side

02:05:29.440 Ali's

02:05:29.740 taking

02:05:29.920 the

02:05:30.100 more

02:05:30.340 traditional

02:05:30.840 FBI

02:05:31.140 route

02:05:31.360 for

02:05:31.520 obvious

02:05:31.740 reasons

02:05:32.020 because

02:05:32.220 you can't

02:05:32.580 be

02:05:32.700 waterboarding

02:05:33.220 you know

02:05:34.420 detainees

02:05:36.200 because

02:05:36.360 obviously

02:05:36.660 you're not

02:05:36.900 going to

02:05:37.020 be able

02:05:37.180 to get

02:05:38.560 prosecution

02:05:38.960 doing

02:05:39.200 that

02:05:39.340 shit

02:05:39.480 but

02:05:39.580 the

02:05:39.680 CIA

02:05:39.960 they

02:05:40.140 don't

02:05:40.240 give

02:05:40.340 a

02:05:40.460 fuck

02:05:40.680 they're

02:05:41.080 just

02:05:41.200 trying

02:05:41.340 to

02:05:41.420 get

02:05:41.540 intel

02:05:41.860 they

02:05:42.120 don't

02:05:42.220 care

02:05:42.400 about

02:05:42.560 prosecution

02:05:43.040 so

02:05:43.700 it's

02:05:43.920 really

02:05:44.080 interesting

02:05:44.380 to

02:05:44.540 see

02:05:44.700 the

02:05:45.060 dichotomy

02:05:46.560 between

02:05:46.820 the

02:05:46.960 two

02:05:47.060 agencies

02:05:47.440 and

02:05:48.240 interrogation

02:05:49.080 techniques

02:05:49.480 worked

02:05:50.640 tremendously

02:05:51.280 we had

02:05:54.920 the

02:05:55.080 interrogators

02:05:55.860 and we

02:05:56.320 had

02:05:56.560 the

02:05:56.720 debriefers

02:05:57.400 interrogators

02:05:58.320 would

02:06:00.100 work

02:06:01.000 with

02:06:01.500 a detainee

02:06:02.260 and once

02:06:03.360 they became

02:06:03.760 compliant

02:06:04.340 they would

02:06:05.940 step back

02:06:06.660 and the

02:06:07.140 debriefers

02:06:07.860 the

02:06:09.940 targeting

02:06:10.300 analysts

02:06:10.900 the people

02:06:12.540 who knew

02:06:12.980 the most

02:06:13.720 about

02:06:14.020 the

02:06:14.200 target

02:06:14.580 would

02:06:14.880 step

02:06:15.160 in

02:06:15.440 and

02:06:17.140 would

02:06:17.280 begin

02:06:17.580 to

02:06:17.820 question

02:06:18.120 them

02:06:18.420 Jennifer

02:06:20.120 Mathis

02:06:20.580 was

02:06:20.760 there

02:06:21.180 sitting

02:06:23.100 in front

02:06:23.480 of

02:06:23.780 Abu

02:06:24.080 Zubaydah

02:06:24.400 asking

02:06:24.700 them

02:06:24.860 questions

02:06:25.460 there

02:06:26.080 is a

02:06:26.300 big

02:06:26.440 difference

02:06:26.920 between

02:06:27.200 being

02:06:27.780 an

02:06:28.460 expert

02:06:29.060 behind

02:06:29.580 and

02:06:29.820 so

02:06:30.020 is

02:06:30.160 this

02:06:30.300 guy

02:06:30.460 Ali

02:06:30.800 behind

02:06:31.300 a

02:06:31.540 desk

02:06:32.000 and

02:06:33.200 being

02:06:33.420 a

02:06:33.600 field

02:06:33.820 expert

02:06:34.260 you

02:06:36.580 can't

02:06:37.000 argue

02:06:37.320 with

02:06:37.560 success

02:06:38.200 and

02:06:39.980 the

02:06:40.120 fact

02:06:40.360 of

02:06:40.460 the

02:06:40.560 matter

02:06:40.800 is

02:06:41.240 that

02:06:41.840 we

02:06:42.060 were

02:06:42.300 extremely

02:06:42.980 successful

02:06:43.780 once

02:06:44.260 we

02:06:44.520 started

02:06:44.860 using

02:06:45.480 the

02:06:46.320 techniques

02:06:46.780 on

02:06:46.980 Abu

02:06:47.300 Zubaydah

02:06:47.740 and

02:06:49.380 once

02:06:49.860 he

02:06:50.900 became

02:06:51.160 compliant

02:06:51.660 we

02:06:54.020 started

02:06:54.360 to

02:06:54.580 collect

02:06:54.880 incredible

02:06:55.440 intelligence

02:06:56.220 Abu

02:06:58.200 Zubaydah

02:06:58.640 gave us

02:06:59.440 the playbook

02:07:00.200 of how

02:07:01.740 to go

02:07:02.020 after

02:07:02.220 these

02:07:02.480 individuals

02:07:03.040 so in

02:07:06.040 short order

02:07:06.620 every

02:07:07.520 chief of

02:07:08.220 operations

02:07:08.780 was either

02:07:09.860 captured

02:07:10.260 captured

02:07:10.280 or

02:07:10.560 killed

02:07:10.980 Ramsey

02:07:17.540 Ben

02:07:17.700 Oshib

02:07:18.220 Nishiri

02:07:19.100 Hanbali

02:07:20.260 KSM

02:07:20.980 remember

02:07:21.560 that guy

02:07:22.060 that was

02:07:22.680 a nice

02:07:22.960 one

02:07:23.460 KSM

02:07:26.700 director

02:07:27.900 of the

02:07:28.200 9-11

02:07:28.460 attacks

02:07:28.940 but

02:07:38.780 they

02:07:38.880 had

02:07:39.060 him

02:07:39.160 in

02:07:39.280 an

02:07:39.600 Arab

02:07:39.960 yuppie

02:07:40.940 outfit

02:07:41.420 this

02:07:43.320 guy

02:07:43.700 bro

02:07:44.100 an

02:07:45.920 Arab

02:07:46.260 yuppie

02:07:46.620 outfit

02:07:47.080 looking

02:07:48.920 very

02:07:49.140 prim

02:07:49.380 and

02:07:49.520 proper

02:07:49.800 I'm

02:07:50.200 like

02:07:50.400 forget

02:07:50.800 this

02:07:51.040 I

02:07:51.160 want

02:07:51.320 every

02:07:51.580 guy

02:07:51.820 bad

02:07:52.080 guy

02:07:52.280 down

02:07:52.560 range

02:07:52.800 to

02:07:52.940 know

02:07:53.100 what

02:07:53.340 their

02:07:53.460 future

02:07:53.760 is

02:07:54.120 this

02:07:54.820 is

02:07:55.000 this

02:07:55.360 is

02:07:55.480 their

02:07:55.620 chief

02:07:57.420 gangster

02:07:57.860 look

02:07:58.920 at

02:07:59.060 this

02:07:59.340 obviously

02:08:00.000 the

02:08:00.260 CIA

02:08:00.500 purposely

02:08:01.120 put

02:08:01.400 this

02:08:01.560 shit

02:08:01.680 out

02:08:02.280 as

02:08:04.960 deterrent

02:08:05.620 for

02:08:06.680 any

02:08:07.080 other

02:08:07.320 would-be

02:08:07.620 terrorist

02:08:07.940 and it's

02:08:08.180 actually

02:08:08.420 kind of

02:08:08.740 cool

02:08:08.940 to

02:08:09.200 get

02:08:09.840 the

02:08:10.040 first-hand

02:08:10.520 operative

02:08:11.380 saying

02:08:11.980 yo

02:08:12.260 this is

02:08:12.560 the

02:08:12.660 picture

02:08:12.840 we

02:08:12.980 put

02:08:13.120 out

02:08:13.300 for

02:08:13.480 such

02:08:13.740 and

02:08:13.880 such

02:08:14.140 so

02:08:14.900 now

02:08:15.420 y'all

02:08:15.560 know

02:08:15.700 where

02:08:15.840 this

02:08:15.960 picture

02:08:16.160 came

02:08:16.360 from

02:08:16.580 man

02:08:16.760 like

02:08:16.940 the

02:08:17.100 fucking

02:08:17.340 video

02:08:17.740 cause

02:08:18.460 y'all

02:08:18.600 ain't

02:08:18.720 gonna

02:08:18.820 get

02:08:18.980 sauce

02:08:19.240 like

02:08:19.400 this

02:08:19.560 anywhere

02:08:19.820 else

02:08:20.140 this

02:08:20.360 infamous

02:08:20.820 photo

02:08:21.240 this

02:08:25.620 Khalid Sheikh

02:08:27.140 Mohammed

02:08:27.440 was

02:08:27.760 waterboarded

02:08:28.660 183

02:08:29.680 times

02:08:30.060 they

02:08:30.640 tried to

02:08:31.480 quantify

02:08:31.960 the numbers

02:08:32.700 holy

02:08:33.400 oh shit

02:08:34.460 183

02:08:35.560 times

02:08:36.100 of

02:08:36.440 pourings

02:08:37.020 of water

02:08:37.560 and

02:08:39.540 eventually

02:08:39.980 the

02:08:40.260 pourings

02:08:40.680 of water

02:08:41.240 used

02:08:42.200 in

02:08:42.420 waterboarding

02:08:43.040 became

02:08:43.560 times

02:08:44.300 so

02:08:45.540 183

02:08:46.400 total

02:08:46.840 pourings

02:08:47.300 of water

02:08:47.860 on

02:08:49.460 Khalid Sheikh

02:08:50.640 Mohammed

02:08:51.040 became

02:08:51.480 183

02:08:52.320 times

02:08:52.820 which is

02:08:53.360 crazy

02:08:53.960 look

02:08:54.540 it's not

02:08:55.220 FBI

02:08:55.640 versus

02:08:56.000 CIA

02:08:56.360 I

02:08:56.880 know

02:08:57.040 for

02:08:57.220 a

02:08:57.380 fact

02:08:57.660 yeah

02:08:57.940 yeah

02:08:58.140 definitely

02:08:58.420 y'all can

02:08:59.520 see how

02:08:59.780 they don't

02:09:00.100 like

02:09:00.280 each

02:09:00.440 other

02:09:01.060 that

02:09:02.020 everything

02:09:02.360 that

02:09:02.580 we've

02:09:02.780 been

02:09:02.920 told

02:09:03.420 that

02:09:05.140 resulted

02:09:05.600 because

02:09:06.440 of

02:09:06.760 waterboarding

02:09:07.240 that's

02:09:07.780 not

02:09:07.940 true

02:09:08.200 only

02:09:08.500 three

02:09:09.160 terrorists

02:09:09.980 with

02:09:10.480 American

02:09:10.820 blood

02:09:11.100 on their

02:09:11.360 hands

02:09:11.680 were

02:09:11.880 ever

02:09:12.220 waterboarded

02:09:12.960 in

02:09:13.180 many

02:09:13.380 cases

02:09:13.760 it

02:09:14.300 was

02:09:14.480 just

02:09:14.860 a

02:09:15.540 few

02:09:15.720 days

02:09:16.260 in

02:09:17.500 the

02:09:17.640 case

02:09:17.940 of

02:09:18.140 Abu

02:09:18.420 Zubayr

02:09:18.700 and Khalid

02:09:19.020 Sheikh

02:09:19.240 Mohammed

02:09:19.640 it

02:09:19.800 was

02:09:19.900 just

02:09:20.060 a

02:09:20.200 few

02:09:20.360 weeks

02:09:20.820 this

02:09:21.140 program

02:09:21.600 evolved

02:09:22.200 because

02:09:22.620 you know

02:09:23.620 some

02:09:23.840 of

02:09:24.000 the

02:09:24.220 stuff

02:09:25.060 that

02:09:25.220 they

02:09:25.340 tried

02:09:25.560 to

02:09:25.680 do

02:09:25.820 was

02:09:25.960 not

02:09:26.120 working

02:09:26.460 and

02:09:28.080 during

02:09:28.860 the

02:09:29.180 evolution

02:09:29.760 process

02:09:30.380 I

02:09:31.520 realized

02:09:31.980 that we

02:09:32.280 shouldn't

02:09:32.480 be part

02:09:32.820 of this

02:09:33.200 and I

02:09:34.020 shouldn't

02:09:34.260 be even

02:09:34.560 a witness

02:09:34.880 for this

02:09:35.400 and I

02:09:35.960 reported

02:09:36.360 it to

02:09:36.620 our

02:09:36.800 headquarters

02:09:37.160 and headquarters

02:09:37.580 pulled us

02:09:38.140 out

02:09:38.380 and that's

02:09:39.480 for obvious

02:09:39.820 reasons

02:09:40.140 because I

02:09:40.440 told you

02:09:40.740 guys

02:09:40.900 this

02:09:41.060 before

02:09:41.420 the

02:09:42.080 FBI

02:09:42.360 operates

02:09:42.840 in

02:09:42.940 the

02:09:43.040 dark

02:09:43.320 the CIA

02:09:43.920 operates

02:09:44.480 in

02:09:44.640 the

02:09:44.780 light

02:09:47.820 the CIA

02:09:48.220 operates

02:09:48.760 in

02:09:48.860 the

02:09:48.960 dark

02:09:49.160 so

02:09:49.660 for

02:09:49.940 the

02:09:50.100 FBI

02:09:51.600 prosecution

02:09:51.920 they

02:09:52.620 can't

02:09:53.020 be

02:09:53.180 aware

02:09:53.540 and

02:09:53.760 privy

02:09:54.020 to

02:09:54.160 certain

02:09:54.400 things

02:09:54.660 because

02:09:55.020 honestly

02:09:55.860 let's

02:09:56.440 say

02:09:56.560 they

02:09:56.700 did

02:09:56.860 want

02:09:57.020 to

02:09:57.120 prosecute

02:09:57.440 one

02:09:57.580 of

02:09:57.640 these

02:09:57.780 guys

02:09:58.020 and

02:09:58.160 he

02:09:58.240 was

02:09:58.320 getting

02:09:58.460 waterboarded

02:09:58.940 well guess

02:09:59.300 what

02:09:59.480 now your

02:09:59.760 criminal

02:09:59.960 case is

02:10:00.300 out the

02:10:00.520 window

02:10:00.780 because

02:10:01.360 you

02:10:01.680 actually

02:10:02.020 witnessed

02:10:02.340 him

02:10:02.480 getting

02:10:02.660 waterboarded

02:10:03.240 and

02:10:03.640 that

02:10:03.820 would

02:10:04.040 significantly

02:10:04.840 hurt

02:10:05.420 his

02:10:05.620 testimony

02:10:06.000 so

02:10:07.080 goes

02:10:08.000 to

02:10:08.120 show

02:10:08.320 we

02:10:10.840 all

02:10:11.060 knew

02:10:11.280 Americans

02:10:11.700 would

02:10:11.920 find

02:10:12.200 out

02:10:12.400 at

02:10:12.520 some

02:10:12.700 point

02:10:12.900 about

02:10:13.080 everything

02:10:13.380 we

02:10:13.560 were

02:10:13.620 up

02:10:13.740 to

02:10:13.820 there

02:10:21.600 we

02:10:21.900 had

02:10:22.140 were

02:10:22.260 not

02:10:22.420 very

02:10:22.640 good

02:10:22.980 alright

02:10:29.060 so

02:10:29.220 this

02:10:29.400 is

02:10:29.560 the

02:10:29.680 address

02:10:29.840 I

02:10:29.980 think

02:10:30.120 this

02:10:30.280 was

02:10:30.440 somewhere

02:10:30.900 around

02:10:31.180 2004

02:10:31.640 2005

02:10:32.100 people

02:10:32.720 of

02:10:32.840 America

02:10:33.020 this

02:10:33.220 talk

02:10:33.460 is

02:10:33.580 for

02:10:33.700 you

02:10:34.780 about

02:10:38.960 how

02:10:39.140 to

02:10:39.300 prevent

02:10:39.520 another

02:10:39.820 Manhattan

02:10:40.220 before

02:10:45.960 I

02:10:46.140 begin

02:10:46.320 I

02:10:46.460 say

02:10:46.620 to

02:10:46.720 you

02:10:46.820 that

02:10:50.300 security

02:10:50.680 is an

02:10:51.020 indispensable

02:10:51.540 pillar

02:10:51.920 of

02:10:52.080 human

02:10:52.260 life

02:10:52.680 and

02:10:55.740 that

02:10:55.860 free

02:10:56.140 men

02:10:56.420 do not

02:10:56.880 forfeit

02:10:57.180 their

02:10:57.320 security

02:10:57.720 I

02:11:01.900 was

02:11:02.060 on

02:11:02.220 it

02:11:02.360 yeah

02:11:02.680 in late

02:11:02.920 2004

02:11:03.240 bin Laden

02:11:03.660 released

02:11:04.120 his first

02:11:04.580 video in

02:11:04.940 three years

02:11:05.420 because he

02:11:08.120 went into

02:11:08.380 hiding guys

02:11:08.820 which we're

02:11:09.060 going to

02:11:09.220 talk about

02:11:09.560 this more

02:11:10.040 on the

02:11:11.500 capture of

02:11:12.160 bin Laden

02:11:12.580 when the

02:11:12.880 seals went

02:11:13.560 to his

02:11:13.880 compound

02:11:14.240 in the

02:11:19.100 aftermath

02:11:19.460 of 9-11

02:11:20.200 people

02:11:20.880 expected

02:11:21.360 and realized

02:11:21.840 he would

02:11:22.160 probably

02:11:22.440 go to

02:11:22.940 Tora Bora

02:11:23.540 which he

02:11:25.240 did

02:11:25.480 after Tora Bora

02:11:30.860 he more

02:11:32.020 likely than

02:11:32.420 not went

02:11:32.700 up to

02:11:32.980 Konar

02:11:33.380 and then

02:11:35.480 somewhere

02:11:36.680 well it

02:11:38.680 could have

02:11:39.000 been in

02:11:39.340 I always

02:11:40.120 thought of

02:11:40.460 him as

02:11:40.780 running

02:11:41.040 around

02:11:41.500 maybe on

02:11:44.340 the Afghan

02:11:44.900 pact

02:11:45.280 border

02:11:45.600 maybe even

02:11:46.100 in Afghanistan

02:11:46.900 that's what

02:11:47.400 my favorite

02:11:47.980 would have

02:11:48.280 been having

02:11:48.660 him in

02:11:48.960 Afghanistan

02:11:49.600 because that

02:11:50.320 was his

02:11:50.780 spiritual home

02:11:53.300 so to speak

02:11:54.080 from the

02:11:54.700 Afghan

02:11:55.180 jihad

02:11:55.480 I was

02:11:57.620 asked

02:11:58.060 where is

02:11:59.580 bin Laden

02:11:59.980 all the

02:12:01.180 time

02:12:01.580 that's

02:12:03.800 gotta be

02:12:04.060 annoying

02:12:04.360 when I

02:12:07.360 went to

02:12:07.600 testify to

02:12:08.200 the Congress

02:12:08.720 the first

02:12:09.220 thing they

02:12:09.480 wanted to

02:12:09.780 know is

02:12:10.020 where is

02:12:10.440 bin Laden

02:12:10.840 I went

02:12:15.040 to the

02:12:15.280 Oval

02:12:15.500 Office a

02:12:15.940 number of

02:12:16.200 times

02:12:16.520 I was

02:12:17.300 asked

02:12:17.640 by the

02:12:18.440 President

02:12:18.760 where is

02:12:19.280 bin Laden

02:12:19.700 everybody

02:12:23.340 would ask

02:12:23.940 the same

02:12:24.300 question

02:12:24.780 where is

02:12:25.600 bin Laden

02:12:26.000 it was

02:12:26.260 very frustrating

02:12:27.020 could you

02:12:27.400 imagine being

02:12:28.060 the head of

02:12:28.480 clandestine

02:12:28.940 services

02:12:29.340 where your

02:12:30.620 charge

02:12:31.140 when not

02:12:31.500 only finding

02:12:32.260 but also

02:12:33.200 interrogating

02:12:34.520 anybody

02:12:34.960 associated to

02:12:35.640 bin Laden

02:12:35.940 and finding

02:12:36.360 out where

02:12:36.660 he is

02:12:36.940 and getting

02:12:37.500 asked this

02:12:37.980 every single

02:12:39.040 fucking day

02:12:39.880 from anyone

02:12:41.180 that's higher

02:12:41.700 up in the

02:12:42.100 government

02:12:42.320 with brass

02:12:42.960 talking to

02:12:43.840 the President

02:12:44.200 about this

02:12:44.760 shit on

02:12:45.560 damn near

02:12:46.240 a weekly

02:12:46.580 or monthly

02:12:46.940 basis

02:12:47.340 dude

02:12:47.960 an enormous

02:12:48.840 amount of

02:12:49.260 pressure on

02:12:49.640 this guy

02:12:49.980 and you

02:12:50.480 can see

02:12:50.720 why he

02:12:51.620 didn't give

02:12:51.860 a fuck

02:12:52.160 what his

02:12:52.580 techniques

02:12:52.880 were

02:12:53.100 he just

02:12:53.400 wanted to

02:12:53.680 get bin Laden

02:12:54.200 to basically

02:12:57.280 have to admit

02:12:58.060 that he didn't

02:12:58.680 know

02:12:58.900 one time

02:13:02.660 one of my

02:13:03.540 colleagues

02:13:04.060 came in

02:13:05.660 to talk to

02:13:07.060 me about

02:13:07.680 where's bin

02:13:08.840 Laden

02:13:09.120 and I told

02:13:11.420 him look

02:13:11.700 you know

02:13:12.000 I am

02:13:12.560 so tired

02:13:14.060 of this

02:13:15.040 the next

02:13:16.200 time

02:13:16.620 the next

02:13:17.220 person

02:13:17.580 asked me

02:13:18.260 where is

02:13:19.600 bin Laden

02:13:20.020 I'm gonna

02:13:20.580 say

02:13:20.900 you know

02:13:21.340 what

02:13:21.540 fuck

02:13:22.280 you

02:13:22.720 oh shit

02:13:23.820 oh shit

02:13:24.400 you

02:13:24.420 I like

02:13:28.860 that guy

02:13:29.200 later that

02:13:29.660 day I went

02:13:30.660 home

02:13:31.100 and the

02:13:32.000 first thing

02:13:32.300 my wife

02:13:32.680 asked me

02:13:33.120 when I

02:13:33.360 get home

02:13:33.880 is

02:13:34.280 where is

02:13:36.700 bin Laden

02:13:37.120 why can't

02:13:37.720 you find

02:13:38.200 him

02:13:38.460 the

02:13:45.900 toughest

02:13:46.280 position

02:13:46.900 to be

02:13:47.180 in

02:13:47.280 Al-Qaeda

02:13:47.740 then

02:13:48.040 was

02:13:48.260 number

02:13:48.460 three

02:13:48.700 number

02:13:48.920 four

02:13:49.260 because

02:13:49.820 why

02:13:50.020 you

02:13:50.140 had to

02:13:50.380 communicate

02:13:50.900 you had to

02:13:51.960 communicate

02:13:52.300 to get a tax

02:13:53.120 done

02:13:53.360 you had to

02:13:53.680 communicate

02:13:53.980 and if you

02:13:54.380 were doing

02:13:54.640 that

02:13:54.820 we're

02:13:55.040 on you

02:13:55.560 and that's

02:13:57.520 why the CIA

02:13:58.080 targeted

02:13:58.560 obviously

02:13:59.360 people that

02:14:00.020 are close

02:14:00.740 enough to

02:14:01.020 bin Laden

02:14:01.280 to have

02:14:01.540 info

02:14:01.780 but also

02:14:02.280 far enough

02:14:02.800 where they

02:14:03.080 had to

02:14:03.400 put themselves

02:14:03.860 in a

02:14:04.060 compromising

02:14:04.440 position

02:14:04.840 to get

02:14:05.440 information

02:14:05.840 to bin

02:14:06.400 Laden

02:14:06.580 and that

02:14:07.540 was the

02:14:08.300 trick

02:14:08.640 that helped

02:14:10.060 the CIA

02:14:10.500 identify

02:14:11.020 bin Laden

02:14:11.460 as you guys

02:14:11.820 are going to

02:14:12.020 see here

02:14:12.280 in a second

02:14:12.660 or identify

02:14:13.160 where he was

02:14:13.600 at

02:14:13.820 frankly

02:14:15.980 even though

02:14:17.340 in the back

02:14:17.700 of our minds

02:14:18.340 we knew

02:14:18.740 we had to

02:14:19.140 get him

02:14:19.400 someday

02:14:19.760 we were

02:14:22.040 actually

02:14:22.380 too busy

02:14:23.000 going after

02:14:24.760 those who

02:14:25.160 were actually

02:14:25.560 plotting

02:14:25.880 against us

02:14:26.580 congratulations

02:14:30.340 Abu

02:14:31.040 butthead

02:14:31.520 you're now

02:14:32.500 number three

02:14:33.020 in Al-Qaeda

02:14:33.620 bro

02:14:35.900 this guy

02:14:37.420 that's the good

02:14:38.300 news

02:14:38.480 the bad

02:14:38.820 news is

02:14:39.180 you're now

02:14:39.480 number three

02:14:39.880 in Al-Qaeda

02:14:40.380 better buckle

02:14:41.060 your chin strap

02:14:41.700 because your

02:14:42.220 career path

02:14:42.900 is probably

02:14:43.300 going to be

02:14:43.620 short-lived

02:14:44.180 there is an

02:14:50.300 aspect

02:14:50.640 it's about

02:14:51.160 to get real

02:14:51.860 back to the

02:14:52.560 intelligence

02:14:52.980 business called

02:14:53.640 targeting

02:14:54.100 I think this

02:14:55.500 is a revolution

02:14:56.240 for a couple

02:14:57.000 of reasons

02:14:57.560 just in the

02:14:58.580 past 10 years

02:14:59.440 the agency

02:15:00.160 has transitioned

02:15:01.180 from strategic

02:15:02.100 intelligence

02:15:02.820 to tactical

02:15:03.820 intelligence

02:15:04.380 that helps

02:15:04.840 you identify

02:15:05.560 the movements

02:15:06.540 and locations

02:15:07.280 of one

02:15:08.400 specific

02:15:08.920 individual

02:15:09.440 I'm not

02:15:10.860 just worried

02:15:11.340 about what

02:15:11.780 Al-Qaeda

02:15:12.120 looks like

02:15:12.620 strategically

02:15:13.100 I want

02:15:14.100 an analyst

02:15:14.800 who's

02:15:16.400 spending

02:15:16.700 all their

02:15:17.100 time

02:15:17.500 looking at

02:15:18.180 one target

02:15:18.940 with one

02:15:19.540 name

02:15:19.920 and people

02:15:22.460 whose whole

02:15:23.120 goal in life

02:15:23.860 is following

02:15:24.820 one human

02:15:25.320 being

02:15:25.700 many of the

02:15:30.380 Alex station

02:15:30.860 analysts took

02:15:31.380 on new

02:15:31.660 jobs

02:15:31.880 as you guys

02:15:32.360 can see

02:15:32.660 now they're

02:15:33.140 really buckling

02:15:33.820 down

02:15:34.120 they became

02:15:40.640 targeters

02:15:41.020 hunting Al-Qaeda

02:15:41.600 leaders

02:15:41.880 not including

02:15:42.500 bin Laden

02:15:43.400 and I'll

02:15:44.240 and I'll tell

02:15:44.340 you guys

02:15:44.580 this

02:15:44.720 coming

02:15:45.040 from the

02:15:45.340 government

02:15:45.520 for you

02:15:46.000 to sit

02:15:46.300 there

02:15:46.440 and target

02:15:46.740 only one

02:15:47.340 person

02:15:47.740 that shows

02:15:48.900 you

02:15:49.160 the serious

02:15:50.380 intent

02:15:50.700 of the CIA

02:15:51.740 to find

02:15:52.240 these guys

02:15:52.620 they were

02:15:52.860 willing to

02:15:53.240 put everything

02:15:53.760 else on the

02:15:54.320 back burner

02:15:54.760 fuck Russians

02:15:56.280 that are spying

02:15:57.600 or Chinese

02:15:58.180 fuck all that

02:15:59.040 we're trying

02:15:59.580 to find

02:15:59.880 bin Laden

02:16:00.300 you know

02:16:00.940 you're a Russian

02:16:01.480 spy

02:16:01.920 good luck

02:16:02.660 bro

02:16:02.900 good luck

02:16:04.260 to you

02:16:04.460 you just

02:16:04.720 basically

02:16:05.120 came at

02:16:05.520 the perfect

02:16:05.860 time

02:16:06.120 we're hunting

02:16:06.540 down

02:16:06.820 these

02:16:07.300 motherfuckers

02:16:07.980 we could

02:16:08.500 care less

02:16:08.900 about

02:16:09.220 Sergei

02:16:09.980 we're more

02:16:10.280 interested

02:16:10.540 in fucking

02:16:11.040 Mohammed

02:16:11.520 I went

02:16:16.740 to

02:16:17.220 the other

02:16:18.100 women

02:16:18.280 who had

02:16:18.660 become

02:16:18.920 targeting

02:16:19.260 officers

02:16:19.680 when I

02:16:20.020 moved over

02:16:20.580 this lady

02:16:21.440 was also

02:16:22.160 critical

02:16:22.680 in identifying

02:16:23.560 where bin Laden

02:16:24.960 was

02:16:25.320 Jennifer Matthews

02:16:27.400 and some of

02:16:27.780 the other

02:16:28.060 women who

02:16:28.380 had already

02:16:28.660 paved the

02:16:29.060 way

02:16:29.340 just to

02:16:30.100 ask them

02:16:30.420 how do

02:16:30.700 I do

02:16:30.980 this

02:16:31.320 I have

02:16:31.820 to build

02:16:32.260 this

02:16:32.600 from the

02:16:33.080 ground

02:16:33.360 up

02:16:33.720 kind of

02:16:34.260 like they

02:16:34.540 did on

02:16:34.840 the bin Laden

02:16:35.240 side

02:16:35.640 you know

02:16:37.820 how do I

02:16:38.260 do this

02:16:38.640 we still

02:16:39.200 didn't have

02:16:39.600 a great

02:16:39.940 technical

02:16:40.420 tool

02:16:40.760 to

02:16:40.980 do

02:16:41.120 that

02:16:41.400 I

02:16:42.100 built

02:16:42.320 a

02:16:42.480 spreadsheet

02:16:42.880 and

02:16:44.260 when I

02:16:44.620 reached

02:16:44.860 out

02:16:45.060 to

02:16:45.260 Barbara

02:16:45.980 and

02:16:46.400 Gina

02:16:47.180 and

02:16:47.640 a few

02:16:48.120 other

02:16:48.260 women

02:16:48.500 they

02:16:48.680 just

02:16:48.840 said

02:16:49.020 that's

02:16:49.260 how

02:16:49.360 we

02:16:49.500 do

02:16:49.640 it

02:16:49.820 go

02:16:51.120 for it

02:16:51.520 that's

02:16:51.860 exactly

02:16:52.200 how

02:16:52.400 you

02:16:52.520 get

02:16:52.640 it

02:16:52.780 done

02:16:53.080 you're

02:16:59.040 leaving

02:16:59.320 a digital

02:16:59.800 trail

02:17:00.140 every

02:17:00.360 day

02:17:00.840 so are

02:17:01.480 terrorists

02:17:01.900 when that

02:17:02.500 person

02:17:02.880 travels

02:17:03.460 when that

02:17:03.900 person

02:17:04.360 gets

02:17:04.640 on a

02:17:04.960 phone

02:17:05.240 when we

02:17:05.620 get

02:17:05.820 information

02:17:06.400 from

02:17:06.960 a

02:17:07.280 courier

02:17:07.840 in

02:17:08.000 Al-Qaeda

02:17:08.340 about

02:17:08.660 who he's

02:17:09.160 touching

02:17:09.500 and we

02:17:09.800 bounce it

02:17:10.300 against

02:17:10.700 information

02:17:11.380 we might

02:17:11.800 have

02:17:11.920 found out

02:17:12.440 two years

02:17:12.960 ago

02:17:13.260 they're

02:17:16.560 looking at

02:17:17.020 a human

02:17:17.380 terrorist

02:17:17.720 in the

02:17:18.000 field

02:17:18.260 and they

02:17:18.600 might send

02:17:19.060 a cable

02:17:19.440 to a

02:17:19.800 station

02:17:20.180 that results

02:17:21.160 in action

02:17:21.700 against that

02:17:22.240 target

02:17:22.560 the next

02:17:22.960 day

02:17:23.260 somebody

02:17:28.900 somebody

02:17:28.920 who wants

02:17:29.400 in the

02:17:29.640 fight

02:17:29.940 that's

02:17:30.560 what

02:17:30.780 a

02:17:30.900 target

02:17:31.160 is

02:17:31.580 you

02:17:34.040 have

02:17:34.320 to

02:17:34.460 intimately

02:17:34.840 know

02:17:35.340 the

02:17:35.960 target

02:17:36.260 that

02:17:36.500 you're

02:17:36.660 going

02:17:36.920 after

02:17:37.280 how

02:17:37.720 you

02:17:37.900 think

02:17:38.060 that

02:17:38.200 person

02:17:38.520 is

02:17:39.380 going

02:17:39.520 to

02:17:39.620 act

02:17:39.960 react

02:17:40.640 what

02:17:41.320 they're

02:17:41.440 going

02:17:41.540 to

02:17:41.620 do

02:17:41.760 that

02:17:41.960 day

02:17:42.360 what

02:17:43.000 their

02:17:43.140 strategy

02:17:43.540 is

02:17:44.020 who

02:17:44.160 they're

02:17:44.280 going

02:17:44.380 to

02:17:44.480 talk

02:17:44.700 to

02:17:45.000 what

02:17:45.280 are

02:17:45.360 their

02:17:45.480 priorities

02:17:45.900 in

02:17:46.080 life

02:17:46.260 is

02:17:46.440 it

02:17:46.640 wife

02:17:46.920 number

02:17:47.120 one

02:17:47.440 is

02:17:47.580 it

02:17:47.700 wife

02:17:47.940 number

02:17:48.140 two

02:17:48.640 hope you

02:18:17.120 guys

02:18:17.280 are

02:18:17.380 enjoying

02:18:17.600 this

02:18:17.780 breakdown

02:18:18.080 man

02:18:18.320 like

02:18:18.520 the

02:18:18.660 goddamn

02:18:18.960 video

02:18:19.380 this

02:18:19.980 is

02:18:20.100 some

02:18:20.260 detailed

02:18:20.620 stuff

02:18:21.060 and

02:18:21.600 don't

02:18:21.720 worry

02:18:21.840 guys

02:18:22.020 we're

02:18:22.120 not

02:18:22.260 going

02:18:22.360 to

02:18:22.400 go

02:18:22.520 through

02:18:22.660 the

02:18:22.800 entire

02:18:23.320 documentary

02:18:24.700 I'm

02:18:24.980 just

02:18:25.120 playing

02:18:25.480 the

02:18:25.600 most

02:18:25.840 pertinent

02:18:26.080 parts

02:18:26.360 for

02:18:26.480 y'all

02:18:26.720 because

02:18:27.180 on

02:18:27.400 the

02:18:27.540 next

02:18:27.780 episode

02:18:28.080 I'm

02:18:28.240 going

02:18:28.320 to

02:18:28.420 break

02:18:28.620 down

02:18:28.940 what

02:18:29.860 they

02:18:29.980 did

02:18:30.160 after

02:18:30.500 they

02:18:30.660 found

02:18:30.840 bin

02:18:31.000 laden

02:18:31.200 and

02:18:31.320 what

02:18:31.440 they

02:18:31.580 found

02:18:31.780 in

02:18:31.880 his

02:18:32.000 house

02:18:32.240 after

02:18:32.520 killing

02:18:32.780 him

02:18:33.000 I

02:18:42.420 was

02:18:42.560 in

02:18:42.720 Baghdad

02:18:43.080 shortly

02:18:43.400 after

02:18:43.740 the

02:18:44.960 war

02:18:45.120 started

02:18:45.480 and

02:18:46.340 it

02:18:47.000 was

02:18:48.320 it

02:18:51.800 was

02:18:51.940 complete

02:18:52.240 chaos

02:18:52.900 bin

02:19:03.980 laden

02:19:04.160 was

02:19:04.320 initially

02:19:04.580 excited

02:19:04.980 about

02:19:05.240 this

02:19:05.500 he

02:19:05.640 was

02:19:05.740 excited

02:19:06.100 about

02:19:06.320 Iraq

02:19:06.680 this

02:19:08.320 is

02:19:08.420 something

02:19:08.600 he

02:19:08.800 couldn't

02:19:09.320 at

02:19:09.500 the

02:19:09.620 time

02:19:09.820 pull

02:19:10.080 off

02:19:10.400 so

02:19:10.900 he

02:19:11.160 was

02:19:11.340 happy

02:19:11.640 to

02:19:12.060 support

02:19:12.460 the

02:19:12.640 end

02:19:12.760 effort

02:19:13.060 he

02:19:31.180 was

02:19:31.340 such

02:19:31.540 a

02:19:31.740 brutal

02:19:32.220 terrorist

02:19:33.000 I

02:19:35.580 just

02:19:35.780 felt

02:19:36.080 like

02:19:36.380 we

02:19:36.900 owed

02:19:37.080 it

02:19:37.260 to

02:19:37.560 the

02:19:37.680 people

02:19:37.880 of

02:19:38.060 Iraq

02:19:38.360 to

02:19:39.160 remove

02:19:39.480 him

02:19:39.820 so

02:19:41.680 they

02:19:41.840 go

02:19:42.020 into

02:19:42.200 how

02:19:42.400 they

02:19:42.540 were

02:19:42.640 able

02:19:42.760 to

02:19:42.900 find

02:19:43.160 and

02:19:43.300 identify

02:19:43.960 and

02:19:44.160 kill

02:19:44.300 this

02:19:44.520 guy

02:19:44.760 so

02:19:45.500 now

02:19:45.780 we're

02:19:45.980 going

02:19:46.080 to

02:19:46.160 get

02:19:46.320 into

02:19:46.760 the

02:19:49.240 next

02:19:49.560 part

02:19:49.960 here

02:19:50.400 getting

02:19:52.260 into

02:19:52.480 how

02:19:52.680 they

02:19:52.860 got

02:19:53.140 actually

02:19:54.460 ID'd

02:19:54.840 the

02:19:54.920 London

02:19:55.180 that

02:19:57.080 Zerkawi

02:19:57.560 was

02:19:58.000 not

02:19:58.280 being

02:19:58.480 deferential

02:19:59.060 he

02:20:01.820 was

02:20:02.080 being

02:20:02.540 insubordinate

02:20:03.460 so

02:20:22.400 enter

02:20:22.720 al-qaeda

02:20:25.640 he

02:20:30.020 was

02:20:30.160 actually

02:20:30.420 bringing

02:20:30.760 over

02:20:31.260 another

02:20:31.900 letter

02:20:32.240 from

02:20:32.740 al-qaeda

02:20:33.260 central

02:20:33.600 to

02:20:33.860 Zerkawi

02:20:34.400 about

02:20:35.380 how

02:20:36.040 he

02:20:36.220 should

02:20:36.380 be

02:20:36.520 conducting

02:20:36.880 operations

02:20:37.460 in

02:20:37.600 Iraq

02:20:37.920 and

02:20:42.400 the

02:20:42.620 definition

02:20:42.960 guy

02:20:43.180 is

02:20:43.240 an

02:20:43.340 emissary

02:20:43.700 is

02:20:43.820 a

02:20:43.920 person

02:20:44.140 set

02:20:44.360 on

02:20:44.480 a

02:20:44.600 special

02:20:44.860 mission

02:20:45.140 usually

02:20:45.440 as

02:20:45.820 a

02:20:45.940 diplomatic

02:20:46.240 representative

02:20:46.780 so

02:20:47.380 basically

02:20:48.020 this

02:20:48.240 guy

02:20:48.560 had

02:20:49.140 like

02:20:49.320 courier

02:20:49.580 type

02:20:49.800 functions

02:20:50.260 he

02:20:50.980 realized

02:20:51.720 that

02:20:51.920 Hassan

02:20:52.240 Ghul

02:20:52.360 would

02:20:52.520 be

02:20:52.640 traveling

02:20:52.900 to

02:20:53.140 Iraq

02:20:53.520 we

02:20:55.500 decided

02:20:56.100 this

02:20:56.280 was

02:20:56.380 an

02:20:56.480 opportunity

02:20:56.860 for

02:20:57.180 us

02:20:57.400 so

02:20:57.820 we

02:20:58.340 actually

02:20:58.720 planned

02:20:59.000 an

02:20:59.120 operation

02:20:59.500 with

02:21:00.060 it

02:21:00.240 was

02:21:00.420 my

02:21:00.780 team

02:21:01.140 with

02:21:01.560 our

02:21:02.280 base

02:21:02.700 and

02:21:03.200 the

02:21:03.420 Kurdish

02:21:03.640 government

02:21:04.020 to

02:21:05.200 capture

02:21:05.540 him

02:21:05.920 and

02:21:06.900 we

02:21:08.980 definitely

02:21:09.460 the

02:21:09.740 Kurdish

02:21:10.100 government

02:21:10.540 kept

02:21:10.900 him

02:21:11.180 and

02:21:11.560 we

02:21:11.740 definitely

02:21:12.100 gained

02:21:12.540 a lot

02:21:12.760 of

02:21:12.840 information

02:21:13.280 out of

02:21:13.620 him

02:21:13.780 including

02:21:14.200 al-Kawedi's

02:21:14.960 name

02:21:15.300 and the

02:21:15.700 role

02:21:15.880 that he

02:21:16.280 played

02:21:16.920 with

02:21:17.400 bin

02:21:17.620 Laden

02:21:17.880 did

02:21:19.020 that

02:21:19.240 answer

02:21:19.700 to this

02:21:24.460 day

02:21:24.640 still

02:21:24.880 classified

02:21:25.360 you know

02:21:26.380 they've

02:21:26.700 waterboarded

02:21:27.200 that

02:21:27.360 boy

02:21:27.660 within

02:21:34.700 the

02:21:34.980 course

02:21:35.500 of

02:21:35.680 a

02:21:36.040 debriefing

02:21:37.000 with

02:21:37.620 the

02:21:37.880 Kurdish

02:21:38.160 government

02:21:38.620 Hassan

02:21:39.480 Ghul

02:21:39.640 gave

02:21:39.900 up

02:21:40.040 the

02:21:40.160 name

02:21:40.360 of

02:21:40.500 al-Kawedi

02:21:40.940 the

02:21:41.500 courier

02:21:41.860 Ahmed

02:21:45.100 from

02:21:45.440 Kuwait

02:21:45.880 it was

02:21:48.260 significant

02:21:48.800 information

02:21:50.000 even

02:21:51.360 though

02:21:51.920 we

02:21:52.160 knew

02:21:52.480 that

02:21:52.960 the

02:21:53.160 pseudonym

02:21:53.540 al-Kawedi

02:21:55.220 was the

02:21:56.680 throwaways

02:21:57.220 I mean

02:21:57.560 who

02:21:57.740 you know

02:21:58.680 it's like

02:21:59.140 saying

02:21:59.360 Jose

02:21:59.900 the

02:22:00.100 Puerto

02:22:00.300 Rican

02:22:00.560 you know

02:22:01.200 could be

02:22:02.500 anybody

02:22:02.900 the key

02:22:04.660 is

02:22:05.520 what he

02:22:05.920 told us

02:22:06.240 about

02:22:06.440 bin Laden

02:22:06.900 not using

02:22:07.860 any other

02:22:08.260 means of

02:22:08.640 communicating

02:22:09.200 we

02:22:11.520 asked

02:22:12.260 so this

02:22:13.100 was his

02:22:13.480 courier

02:22:13.880 that was

02:22:14.540 the only

02:22:15.000 person

02:22:15.400 that he

02:22:15.700 pretty much

02:22:16.160 had

02:22:16.320 correspondence

02:22:16.760 with

02:22:17.000 so this

02:22:17.860 ghul

02:22:18.100 guy

02:22:18.480 gives

02:22:19.180 up

02:22:19.460 al-Kawedi

02:22:20.060 which is

02:22:20.500 a critical

02:22:20.980 moment

02:22:21.500 about

02:22:25.180 the

02:22:25.880 information

02:22:26.300 of the

02:22:26.600 courier

02:22:26.900 and he

02:22:29.680 kind of

02:22:29.940 just

02:22:30.200 he jumped

02:22:30.760 back

02:22:31.040 his body

02:22:32.340 lane

02:22:32.560 would

02:22:32.700 jump

02:22:32.880 back

02:22:33.040 he

02:22:33.160 changed

02:22:33.580 and he

02:22:34.660 said

02:22:34.820 no

02:22:35.000 no

02:22:35.160 no

02:22:35.420 look

02:22:35.920 we

02:22:36.620 all

02:22:36.800 know

02:22:36.980 even

02:22:37.220 as

02:22:37.440 little

02:22:37.680 little

02:22:38.320 kids

02:22:38.840 if

02:22:40.280 suddenly

02:22:40.620 you

02:22:40.780 react

02:22:41.040 to

02:22:41.140 go

02:22:41.240 no

02:22:41.460 no

02:22:41.640 no

02:22:42.020 yes

02:22:42.860 yes

02:22:43.060 yes

02:22:43.360 he

02:22:43.880 had

02:22:44.020 not

02:22:44.180 been

02:22:44.400 truthful

02:22:44.820 so

02:22:45.240 they

02:22:45.380 know

02:22:45.560 he

02:22:45.700 they're

02:22:45.880 right

02:22:46.020 over

02:22:46.200 target

02:22:46.600 and

02:22:47.140 KSM

02:22:47.520 had

02:22:47.660 purposely

02:22:48.000 withheld

02:22:48.360 this

02:22:48.520 info

02:22:48.820 but

02:22:49.500 later

02:22:50.000 and

02:22:51.740 this

02:22:51.880 is

02:22:52.000 the

02:22:52.160 benefits

02:22:52.500 of

02:22:52.700 having

02:22:52.980 black

02:22:53.340 sides

02:22:53.740 we

02:22:54.980 intercepted

02:22:55.700 a

02:22:55.840 communication

02:22:56.440 from

02:22:57.900 him

02:22:58.220 to

02:22:58.440 some

02:22:58.700 of

02:22:58.820 the

02:22:58.920 other

02:22:59.100 detainees

02:22:59.800 he

02:23:00.560 told

02:23:01.020 his

02:23:01.380 fellow

02:23:01.700 detainees

02:23:02.260 not

02:23:02.500 to

02:23:02.720 say

02:23:02.940 a

02:23:03.160 word

02:23:03.360 about

02:23:03.580 the

02:23:03.740 courier

02:23:04.080 thereby

02:23:05.420 telling

02:23:05.860 us

02:23:06.040 a

02:23:06.260 lot

02:23:06.540 about

02:23:07.300 the

02:23:07.460 courier

02:23:07.780 that

02:23:10.100 he's

02:23:10.280 of

02:23:10.420 tremendous

02:23:10.780 importance

02:23:11.460 and

02:23:12.640 that

02:23:12.740 we

02:23:12.820 were

02:23:12.980 on

02:23:13.200 to

02:23:13.300 something

02:23:13.720 different

02:23:39.580 to

02:23:40.380 in late 2007 the bin laden cell came to me

02:23:50.680 some of these people have been doing this well before 9-11 i mean they go all the way back to

02:23:59.620 alec station these people had spent their lives on this target

02:24:04.240 they said we're going to try another approach it's got to be the courier network

02:24:10.780 we've got some information on couriers we're going to begin to build from that

02:24:15.680 the way it works is information comes in you catalog it you organize it you know that little

02:24:28.820 nugget there could sit fallow on your shelves for four or five years until something else

02:24:34.280 comes in that suddenly very illuminating about something that you may have had for a very

02:24:39.380 long period of time that actually happened and the work we did to hunt for osama bin laden

02:24:51.080 by trying to track his courier this is critical guys it took years for the agency to recruit

02:25:01.080 the human source that eventually gave us the true name that's why we're in the business

02:25:07.960 of clandestine human intelligence um because you mean clandestine waterboarding because in

02:25:16.080 many cases all these fancy gadgets and everything else uh won't give you the information that you

02:25:22.600 really need a true name and we finally got his true name bam ibrahim saeed

02:25:32.960 which is whatever it is whatever arabic name you know but the true name we were able to

02:25:43.260 find out a lot about him from then on you know the agency was able to do what he does so well

02:25:49.900 track the guy so just so you guys notice you have a little bit of background here at the time

02:25:53.640 bin laden wasn't hiding and he didn't use any other means of communication he was living on a

02:25:57.640 compound that basically had nothing attached to it and his only way to communicate with anyone was

02:26:02.400 one courier that came so that he can go ahead and pass messages back and forth to other members

02:26:07.040 of al qaeda since he was on a run so for the cia to find this was a huge break for them because

02:26:13.420 you're not gonna you rarely would you get an opportunity like this

02:26:16.560 and find him

02:26:19.560 and find him

02:26:23.560 he's not at all what you'd expect as a radical he's a doctor

02:26:30.560 he's not at all what you'd expect as a radical he's a doctor

02:26:38.560 he's working at a refugee clinic

02:26:41.560 turns out he had this very dangerous hobby on the side which is writing this blog and getting himself in trouble

02:26:45.560 overall period of months he becomes one of the most visible writers on the internet

02:26:52.660 and the cia and the jordanian intelligence go all around the border

02:26:55.700 he's not at all what you'd expect as a radical

02:26:57.060 he's a doctor he's working at a refugee clinic

02:27:01.760 turns out he had this very dangerous hobby on the side which is writing this blog and getting himself in trouble

02:27:06.720 over a period of months he becomes one of the most visible writers on the internet

02:27:11.720 and the CIA and the Jordanian intelligence

02:27:14.720 go all out to recruit Balawi to be a spy.

02:27:19.720 There were several weeks, they convinced him to go to work for them.

02:27:41.720 So he's saying they raided his house and interrogated him for hours, offering millions of dollars.

02:27:52.720 And they bought him a ticket and sent him to Waziristan on a mission.

02:28:08.720 Obviously, it's many other terrorists.

02:28:11.720 Balaoui finds his way into Pakistan and essentially disappears.

02:28:19.720 Very likely, somebody suspected him as being an informant and maybe cut his head off.

02:28:25.720 Nobody hears anything from Balaoui for three months.

02:28:30.720 Suddenly, he's back on our screen again and he's saying...

02:28:33.720 And for a source, that's terrible to see.

02:28:35.720 You know, you're thinking your guy's dead or whatever, but...

02:28:38.720 Luckily, they hear from him.

02:28:40.720 I've gotten inside.

02:28:41.720 Balaoui is a doctor.

02:28:43.720 He's now beginning to treat the number two leader of Al Qaeda, Eamon Al Zawiyiri.

02:28:49.720 That's huge.

02:28:51.720 When Balaoui sends this information to the CIA headquarters, the place goes crazy.

02:28:58.720 Even the White House gets briefed.

02:29:01.720 This young man, Balaoui, is going to take us right to number two and maybe even to number one.

02:29:13.720 Let's see what happens after this.

02:29:17.720 The meeting has to take place in a place where the CIA can completely control the environment.

02:29:22.720 And by default, this becomes the CIA base at coast.

02:29:28.720 It falls to Jennifer Matthews to come up with a plan to get Balaoui inside this base at coast without being detected.

02:29:36.720 Well, the problem is that nobody in the CIA has ever met with Balaoui.

02:29:46.720 They make arrangements for him to come into the base without even being searched or checked because they're afraid that somebody might recognize him.

02:29:52.720 His identity might be compromised.

02:30:02.720 Oh man, looks like it might be a double cross.

02:30:06.720 These are some of his videos released after the fact.

02:30:08.720 People have been too quick to blame Jennifer.

02:30:27.720 And that I reject totally because there were many people looking at this operation.

02:30:32.720 Yeah, I mean, even the White House was excited.

02:30:37.720 So, you know, how the hell do you think the main handler is going to feel?

02:30:40.720 So, of course, you couldn't foresee what would happen.

02:30:45.720 People wanted to believe that the source was good.

02:30:49.720 There were also pressures coming from the White House and elsewhere saying, you know, pursue, pursue, pursue, we need to do this.

02:31:06.720 I'm sure there were people, voices out there saying, oh, maybe not.

02:31:16.720 Maybe we should slow down.

02:31:21.720 That happens in many operations.

02:31:27.720 Seen that evil smirk right there? Sadistic.

02:31:30.720 It happened in this one.

02:31:31.720 So they set up a plan to get him through the checkpoints without being even looked at by the guards.

02:31:42.720 He gets further into the base, goes to a second checkpoint, goes to a third checkpoint, and gets all the way into the innermost heart of the base, the inner sanctum.

02:31:51.720 Get you, CIA team.

02:31:53.720 Inshallah will you get you down.

02:31:54.720 Inshallah means God willing.

02:31:55.720 So, look, you recorded a homemade video before you went in there.

02:31:58.720 Fourteen CIA officers line up to meet him.

02:32:00.720 With this to come to you.

02:32:03.720 So, unexpected way, Inshallah.

02:32:07.720 Baloui gets out of the car on the wrong side.

02:32:09.720 And he's chanting the words in Arabic, God is great.

02:32:11.720 Before anybody could stop Baloui, he fumbles for his detonator.

02:32:14.720 Baloui gets out of the car on the wrong side.

02:32:17.720 And he's chanting the words in Arabic, God is great.

02:32:20.720 Before anybody could stop Baloui, he fumbles for his detonator.

02:32:24.720 This is for you.

02:32:26.720 It's not watch.

02:32:27.720 It's a detonator.

02:32:29.720 To kill as much as I can, Inshallah.

02:32:31.720 You will be sent to the hill.

02:32:33.720 Baloui hits a switch, blows himself up, and there's a terrific explosion that kills almost everybody who's within direct sight of Baloui at the time of the explosion.

02:32:43.720 Fucking terrible, man.

02:32:44.720 Rest in peace to all those operatives, man.

02:32:46.720 Trying to keep the country safe.

02:32:47.720 And if you guys ever seen the movie Zero Dark Thirty, there's a scene where this actually was replicated.

02:32:54.720 So this is 100% a true story.

02:32:56.720 It was based on a true event.

02:32:58.720 We heard the explosion, but when we saw the smoke coming up from exactly where I knew Chapman was, that I knew the base had been hit.

02:33:06.720 We knew that someone had gotten inside the base, and we knew that it was the agency that had been hit.

02:33:12.720 And we knew it was bad.

02:33:21.720 By the time we got...

02:33:22.720 So if you guys want, I'm going to show you real quick the actual clip.

02:33:30.720 And this is it right here.

02:33:31.720 Camp Chapman Attack Zero Dark Thirty.

02:33:33.720 I can't play it here because I know I'm going to get hit with the copyright.

02:33:36.720 But if you guys want to, you know, check this out on your free time, it pretty much comes from the movie and it is damn near verbatim to the true tale of events.

02:33:43.720 Oh, my bad.

02:33:44.720 On the scene, it was an ugly scene.

02:33:53.720 There were parts everywhere.

02:33:56.720 The conventional unit that was there landed the helicopter right in the courtyard and evacuated as many of the wounded as possible.

02:34:06.720 You know, he said Jen didn't make it.

02:34:13.720 Her logistics chief that we had worked with to close the base on a daily basis didn't make it.

02:34:24.720 And some of his, some of her case officers never made it even back to the, you know, they died on the scene.

02:34:41.720 When you do this and do this and do this, eventually.

02:34:46.720 So a lot of people don't know this, but this was actually one of Bin Laden's acts of terror.

02:34:51.720 The reason why it wasn't made public was because obviously it was very classified.

02:34:55.720 So a lot of people don't know that Bin Laden was actually responsible for this bombing as well.

02:35:00.720 Another terrorist attack on foreign soil.

02:35:03.720 You lose one and we lost.

02:35:06.720 We lost really good people.

02:35:11.720 When I heard that Jennifer was in coast, I was shocked that she was.

02:35:28.720 She was like the reason why I hit them all so hard, guys, because she was like a kind of a senior person within that group, the Alex station group.

02:35:34.720 So obviously hit all of everyone that worked on the Bin Laden case for so long, really hard.

02:35:39.720 It's taken out by Bin Laden.

02:35:42.720 I mean, that was just, it just seemed so surreal, but that would happen to her.

02:35:48.720 You know, after she spent so many years trying to prevent.

02:35:52.720 Yeah.

02:35:53.720 And, and not only gotten killed by Bin Laden, but got killed by a source that you thought was trustworthy.

02:35:59.720 But that confided more in Bin Laden, essentially a double agent guys.

02:36:03.720 So one of the worst portrayals.

02:36:05.720 Another tragedy by that the common American doesn't know.

02:36:08.720 But y'all know now.

02:36:09.720 Thanks to fed it.

02:36:11.720 Don't forget to like the goddamn video.

02:36:13.720 I'll show you guys the quick situation here.

02:36:15.720 Look, I've been working so goddamn long.

02:36:17.720 The sun's actually out guys.

02:36:18.720 No cap in my raps.

02:36:19.720 No one works harder than I do when it comes to this crap.

02:36:21.720 So guys like the video, support the channel.

02:36:24.720 Love y'all.

02:36:25.720 Let's keep going.

02:36:26.720 No sleep.

02:36:27.720 No sleep.

02:36:28.720 No sleep.

02:36:29.720 In effect, had anything to do with her death.

02:36:32.720 It's incredibly disheartening.

02:36:33.720 There are some criticism of the agency.

02:36:40.720 Frankly, I understand that.

02:36:42.720 But you don't get a Bada Bada without Coast.

02:36:46.720 An agency that's not willing to take the risks that were evident at Coast, which unfortunately ended tragically.

02:36:59.720 That agency, if it's not willing to do that, is not an agency to do what it had to do to build that trail all the way to a Bada Bada.

02:37:09.720 And a Bada Bada is where they eventually ended up finding Bin Laden.

02:37:12.720 And yeah, guys, I mean, this is kind of the dark side of being a government employee in this type of work.

02:37:16.720 Even when I was an agent, man, I knew every day that I might not come home.

02:37:19.720 And, you know, I signed up for this, guys.

02:37:21.720 You know, you take a note to protect your country through thick and thin, you know, to the death almost.

02:37:28.720 So she knew what she got into.

02:37:30.720 Obviously, she died as a patriot.

02:37:32.720 All those people died as patriots.

02:37:34.720 It's just that, you know, it's kind of a unwritten rule that death is an accepted outcome in this realm of profession.

02:37:43.720 In fact, in fact, some of the human beings who built the trail to a Bada Bada were actually killed at Coast.

02:37:55.720 This kind of Team America and the hunt for Bin Laden and the fight against Al Qaeda.

02:38:01.720 And there is powerful connective tissue between the two events.

02:38:10.720 In regard to Bin Laden, such as the big, successful, successful, and popular.

02:38:17.720 And between these numbers, it's the work of Bin Laden.

02:38:21.720 Because it was used to the military, and it was important in the military system.

02:38:26.720 And it was used to...

02:38:28.720 All right, so I'm fast-forwarding a little bit.

02:38:33.720 So now, we're coming into how they found a Bada Bada.

02:38:37.720 And where Bin Laden was actually living.

02:38:39.720 That's footage of him watching TV.

02:38:54.720 That's footage of him watching TV.

02:39:03.720 The hunt for the courier to Bin Laden makes complete sense to me.

02:39:08.720 It was based...

02:39:09.720 And then, bam, they tracked the courier to a Bada Bada.

02:39:11.720 We had a very tight-knit group of people who really cared about this and supported each other.

02:39:20.720 We invented the technique that works.

02:39:23.720 And it's the technique that got Bin Laden in the end.

02:39:26.720 I got a call from another former colleague.

02:39:33.720 So we'll end it there, guys.

02:39:34.720 So that's pretty much how the CIA was able to build up their investigative efforts to identify Bin Laden and other members of Al Qaeda.

02:39:43.720 And the next episode that I do is going to illustrate what was done after they found the compound through that courier.

02:39:51.720 And what the Navy SEALs did.

02:39:53.720 How they executed it.

02:39:54.720 The entire game plan.

02:39:55.720 So we're going to go into extreme detail with the raid.

02:39:59.720 What was found in his house.

02:40:00.720 And what we can interpret from what they found in his house, guys.

02:40:03.720 So I hope you guys enjoyed that episode of Fed It, man.

02:40:06.720 I'll catch you guys on the next one.

02:40:07.720 I got to get some sleep.

02:40:08.720 The sun's out.

02:40:09.720 Love you guys.

02:40:10.720 Peace.

02:40:13.720 I was a special agent with Homeland Security Investigations.

02:40:15.720 Okay, guys.

02:40:16.720 HSI.

02:40:17.720 The cases that I did mostly were human smuggling and drug trafficking.

02:40:20.720 No one else has these doctors.

The Debrief With MyronGainesX - October 28, 2022

MOST Wanted： Osama Bin Laden. How The CIA Found Him!

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