8⧸9⧸17 - North Korea: No-win situation for a world on edge ( Michael Malice joins Glenn)
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Summary
After receiving daily threats from North Korea's leaders, President Trump yesterday made what, for an American president, was unprecedented in a statement that he made, threatening North Korean leader Kim Jong-un that if these threats against the United States don't stop, they will be met with fire, fury and frankly, power the likes of which this world has never seen before.
Transcript
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Hello, America. Welcome to the Glenn Beck Program.
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The big story of the day, story that everybody's talking about,
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the story that we need to clarify, boil down to its basic essence
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Okay, so here's what you need to know this morning about North Korea.
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Yesterday, after receiving almost daily threats from North Korea's leaders
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and hearing that they may have developed miniaturized nuclear weapons,
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President Donald Trump yesterday made what, for an American president, was unprecedented.
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A statement that he made, he threatened North Korea's leader, Kim Jong-un,
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that if these threats against the United States don't stop...
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They will be met with fire, fury, and frankly, power,
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the likes of which this world has never seen before.
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Now, as an American who has listened to Donald Trump for years,
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As a guy who knows that just a few minutes before he said this,
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And opioid overdose deaths have nearly quadrupled since 1999.
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It is a problem, the likes of which we have not seen.
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So, just a few minutes before, he was talking about another crisis,
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the likes of which the world had never seen before.
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This is something that President Trump always says.
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He won with an unprecedented, you know, margin of victory
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the likes of which the world had never seen before.
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I'm not sure that Kim Jong-un understands this.
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This is why, when you're the President of the United States,
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That's always been the way of the American President.
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Know that you have power, but don't boast about that power.
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North Korea did exactly what North Korea would be expected to do.
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Now, for the average person, when you hear that, he says, quote,
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the KPA strategic force is now carefully examining the operational plan
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for making enveloping fire at areas around Guam
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with medium to long range strategic ballistic rockets
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in order to contain the U.S. military bases on Guam,
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Because what the press reported yesterday was he was going to attack Guam,
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The reason why is because that is a strategic base for the United States,
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and if we were ever going to launch a strike against North Korea,
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Guam would be the place where all of our bombers would be hanging out.
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He is responding to hyperbole with an actual threat and a plan.
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If you're going to actually bomb us, you are going to use Anderson Air Force Base.
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And so I just want you to know, right now, look at the rockets,
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understand they're all now pointed to Anderson Air Force Base.
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So you're not going to have a base to base your operations from in Guam.
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He also said that any plans by the U.S. to execute a preemptive strike or to decapitate him
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would be met with an all-out war, quoting, wiping out all of the strongholds and enemies,
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One, I am really happy to have a president that is willing to say it's an evil empire, period.
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It's an evil empire, and it's not going to stand.
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That's the way we won the Cold War, by being very clear on what evil looks like.
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Kim Jong-un and all of the Kims that have reigned before him are evil.
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They are communists that will starve their own people to death.
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And anyone who stands in their way, it's not you that is thrown in prison.
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You're executed, and your family is thrown into prison for not one, but three generations.
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And so I'm really happy to have a president say, this is evil, and we're not going to stand for it.
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And then, because of Syria, we know that he means it.
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There is not a consensus within the intelligence community over North Korea's nuclear capability.
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We're not sure that they could make good on their threats.
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But what is crystal clear is the devastating effects of any war.
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This is why I have been saying for 15 years, North Korea and Iran must never have the capability of nuclear war.
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And the world must have harsh sanctions on Iran and North Korea.
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Because the moment they have missiles, the moment they have a nuclear weapon, you have to take them seriously, and there are no good options left.
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And instead of talking about what does this actually mean, the media is talking about Donald Trump.
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I don't like a president who shoots from the hip and can make things worse because another country doesn't understand exactly what he meant.
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When he said this last night, I have to tell you, it chilled me to the bone every time I heard it.
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Because that's not the words of an American president.
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Those are the words of people like the people that run Iran.
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That's the kind of language that they use and they understand.
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The United States should have come out last night and said,
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Rex Tillerson is on a plane going to China right now and he will be in Beijing by the morning.
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This is a problem that the entire world agrees on.
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And in an unprecedented move, the United Nations Security Council, including China and Russia, have all said the harshest sanctions are going to be imposed against North Korea.
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The United States is not going to be bullied and we're not going to be frightened by a tin pan alley dictator.
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What you must take away from this that no one is giving you
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is that Seoul, South Korea, is 35 miles away from the 38th parallel.
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Any attack by the U.S. against North Korea will almost certainly set into motion a series of events
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that would bring devastation to that nation, along with massive civilian and military casualties,
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perhaps for sure in the six-figure range, perhaps in the seven-figure range.
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Since the 1950s, South Korea has built armaments and built weapons to do one thing.
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Destroy South Korea and Seoul in particular within 24 hours.
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We have to be 100% accurate for them not to strike Seoul.
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North Korea now has over 1,000 missiles pointed directly at Seoul.
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There are 37,000 American troops stationed in South Korea.
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Not to mention that South Korea's economy is the 11th largest in the world.
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An all-out attack against North Korea would be a devastating blow to their economy and our economy.
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Forget about the deaths of people you've never met on the other side of the planet.
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This will impact you and your family for a very long time.
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And we'll all deal with the deaths that we failed to prevent,
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or the deaths that we were part of causing on a march to war.
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The best option we have is to apply sanctions, hold the rest of the world together,
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and hope this ends like the Cuban Missile Crisis did,
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Anything that beats the drums of war in this situation is dangerous.
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and boy, it was like watching two different worlds.
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and not totally against because of the facts that I just gave you,
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They are not helping us in any way, shape, or form.
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By coming out and spending literally two hours last night
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they will die in the fiery fury of the Islamic state.
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give me the strength to hasten the return of the promised one.
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Both of those things are end time scripture for them.
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it's like any crazy person standing up who's a Christian
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you are geographically assigned where to live in
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in the wings and lastly one of the things that I
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agreement so then you know we keep hearing that
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for decades when he was take there was a moment and
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it's a very beautiful moment for everyone who loves freedom when this horrible
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dictator was on TV and over the first time the crowd starts booing and you see
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the look on his face and if two or three days later him and his wife were shot
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Kim Jong-il took that video and showed it to all the leading party cadres and
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says said if the masses rise up this is what is going to happen to us so when
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these regimes go down the people at the very top like Haddafi like Hussein are
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personally killed and with good reason so that's another very important incentive
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for Kim Jong-un to do anything he can to stay in power it's not like if he's
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removed from power he's gonna you know retire to Saint-Tropez I mean this man is a
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so perhaps I ask it and then we come back on the other side because I really want to
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know also about you know the former Soviet Union and your life there yeah but I guess
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what I would like to know and I don't know if you could answer this so is he likely to
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just kind of be quiet and allow himself to be put into a box is he or is he the type
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that will fire off a missile because he's a god he's the type who's taught and
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believes you fight fire with twice as much fire and escalate whenever possible
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especially when you're the small dog okay so what that means exactly when we come
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Michael Malice he is an author and commentator he's an expert on North Korea traveled to the
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very close country wrote a book called Dear Reader the unauthorized autobiography of Kim Jong-il
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you just said to me Michael that that Kim Jong-un is a guy who believes if you're hit you're hit
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twice you hit back twice as hard you don't back down and as you're describing the traits of Kim Jong-un
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you're also describing our president um I mean to some extent I mean I don't I think I you remember
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during the campaign Trump did apologize for that audio that got out and I don't think President
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Trump would be comfortable starving 10 percent of the population oh no no no I don't mean it that way
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no no no no no I don't mean it that I do not mean to equate um the two of them I mean just far as
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tactics I I you know last night I thought the press was I love my press was crazy last night
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yeah they they were almost saying you know we gotta have war because Mr. President I mean now
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you're not going to have any credibility you can't back down it was crazy Glenn it was terrifying that
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they're basically saying oh they're first of all the idea if North Korea is going to attack us that
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they're going to go after Guam is insane on its face they're going to have one shot they're going to
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make it count to be totally you know Machiavellian about it but let's let's get some perspective
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for decades we had hundreds if not thousands of nuclear weapons from the Soviet Union pointed at
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us and our allies and that was something that we managed to deal with so this situation is not
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entirely without precedent so that is but take a deep breath you know so my position today has been
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pretty much that take a deep breath there is no good answer to this the thing to do
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is walk away keep your eye and ear to the ground but just walk there's no good answer to this
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will and is that enough for Kim Jong-un well it's scary to me how so many people are saying
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that because Kim Jong-un is treating our country and our president with disrespect that we should I saw
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one commentator say we should rain hellfire that is crazy Korea I mean these are 25 you want to talk
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about having the moral high ground being the moral leader of the free world yeah and you're going to
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be killing 25 million slaves and hostages what kind of person are you that not only that what kind of
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person you that's your first reaction as opposed to a last resort it's terrifying no I was watching
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last night I'm so glad to hear you say this Michael I was watching this last I was watching CNN
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and they kept going on and on and on about you know how the president said all these things and now
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there's a red line and and and and and commentator after commentator yesterday was saying you know we
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don't have a choice we can't be embarrassed we can't uh uh you know be the laughingstock and I'm
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thinking are we're talking about the possibility of millions dead who cares about your stupid honor
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if all it means is you know what I said something I shouldn't have said I'm going to shut my mouth
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now and what do you say we leave those millions alive Glenn the I'm going to make it even worse
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the people in these concentration camps are told constantly and explicitly there's like 100-200,000
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people should the U.S. imperialists invade we will kill you all and burn these camps to the ground
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so like you're saying if someone has a gun to my kid's head if someone if some school someone has a
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bomb they're going to blow up a school they can call me every name in the book please call me all
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the names you want just don't kill the children and the idea that like well we better go in and kill
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the children first as a response is even more demented how is North Korea if the United States would
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respond I can't imagine that South Korea because it would be almost like our American Civil War
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is going to sit happily by as a soul is most likely uh destroyed uh and and secondly they have family
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members up there it would be viewed as the United States killing their family members would it not
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uh to some extent those families have been separated now for 70 years with uh no communication
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with each other but let's talk something else you know people are saying they have nukes now this is
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unprecedented they've had missiles pointing at Seoul for decades yeah Seoul is a city with you know
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tens of millions of people with skyscrapers can you imagine the imagery of missiles hitting a city full
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of skyscrapers even if they didn't have nukes is that something people are comfortable with or it's just
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well at least it wasn't nukes that are hitting these skyscrapers I mean is that what we're talking about
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and that is what we're talking about so it's it's a very dangerous situation and Glenn I know you remember
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very well the the war mania that led up to the Iraq war and how everyone's like we gotta do something
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we gotta do something now emergency emergency emergency let's freak out let's do things as quickly as possible
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and it's like what I was taught growing up in school is that war is a last resort
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it's not the first thing you do and it's not your best option especially when you're dealing
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with a pop with a regime that is comfortable killing its own citizens to maintain its hold on
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power talking to michael malice kim jong ill book dot com is the site um michael is there an increase
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in their resources lately I mean they've been able to outpace all of our intelligence estimates as to
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what they've been able to develop like crazy they're dumping money into things like renovating
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the hotel of doom which you know is the only the hotel of doom because they didn't have money at one
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point are they it's the hotel of doom so let's talk about how north korea is their army uh north korea
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everyone in the army does construction so they're not just sitting around or whatever they actually
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build things so that hotel which is I think at one point the largest building in the eastern hemisphere
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something crazy the rung yang hotel was structurally unfound so it was never completed because it can't
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be completed it's a complete mess and it just looms like this giant hulk over a pyongyang but let me
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also talk about you were talking about having empathy for the north korean people when I went there and we
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were taking the the the bus from the airport to the capital city my guide pointed at that hotel and she
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goes look there's our latest rocket launch and you know we don't think of them as human beings they
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have sense of humor they have families you know when you're on the street you see the grandmothers
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doting with their grandkids you see teenage girls giggling when you wave at them the fact that these
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people are capable of having some semblance of humanity in the most inhumane country on earth
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behooves us when you read news reports and trying to make them out to be clowns
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keep in mind again like I said earlier if someone has your family as a hostage you're going to put
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on clown makeup too yeah and it's not as the people are the you know when I think when somebody says you
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know these people are clowns uh they're meaning you know uh I think people like kim jong-un etc etc he's
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not a clown he is no he knows what he's doing he just operates with a completely different operating
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system uh right and we do and my the whole point of my book is spelling out how they operate and what
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they're doing because it's very logical it's very methodical but let me speak a bit about the clown
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issue like I remember there was an article in a british paper that showed the marching and it's
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referred to kim jong-un's mini skirted robot army that these young women you know in the army are all
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marching in lockstep and ha ha ha it's like you know they're hostages of course they're going to march
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like they're told they're not robots to call someone a robot is to act like they don't have
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a soul or a mind of their own and they very much do okay well let me ask you first of all can we
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have you back we're running out of time can we have you back on tomorrow it's an honor okay I would
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love to go ahead we'll figure it out we can figure out yes yeah okay um let me ask you two other
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questions first of all auto warm beer uh the the kid that uh went over right was you know caught
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stealing a propaganda poster uh right you know 15 years uh what'd you say trespassing yes uh 15
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years to hard labor looks like they pretty much tortured him to uh to death um and dumped on our
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body I thought in a way that was very reminiscent of the godfather uh sending sending us a message
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here's here's your citizen back no no no no no that's not it at all they had him as a hostage
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if you have a hostage you want to return the hostage in one piece so you get your ransom
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so when things turn south they knew they couldn't take care of him and that's why they dropped him
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off here think about it okay he didn't serve a day of hard labor they they treat their hostages very
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very well because they're a valuable resource well remember when they kidnapped that ling reporter
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they got president clinton to fly to pyongyang and kiss kim jong-yeol's ring that's a great coup
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right but this guy it looks like he was uh drugged and tortured uh that's my understanding is that the
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autopsy showed no signs of trauma and this could have been self-harm
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okay i had not heard that one um one last question um sure is there a is there something that we could
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be doing right now um other than sitting on our hands and just hoping for the best now is there
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something that we should be doing or we should be encouraging some other country to be doing
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yeah we should be sitting down with china and saying what is it going to take for you
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to turn on these people once and for all and frankly glenn if they have a
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food and they don't have concentration camps i'm fine with it you're saying if if china would
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just roll in and they were still communist but they were fed and no concentration camps
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right communist in the chinese model do you know what i mean i could live with that they don't need
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to have some western liberal democracy as long as they don't have to live in constant fear that
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their children are going to be murdered that's all i need how old were you when you left uh the
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former soviet unit uh two years old and um your parents uh came over here with you when
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78 so they escaped uh and knew what they were escaping oh yes of course and it wasn't anywhere near as bad
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towards the end as it had been you know when they were growing up and it's certainly nowhere near as bad
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north korea do you watch the tv show the americans i i i couldn't because they have them being
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patriotic russians and that wasn't a thing by the 80s everyone was cynical and knew that the system
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was nonsense huh um all right so i'd love to have you on maybe again tomorrow and i because i'd like
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to talk to you about what it's like to live in a communist country what you you know what what um you
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know and then and and how we've kind of blown it um here on our side and when maybe perhaps you have
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some insight on on putin as well on well i'll just tell you one sentence we fought the kgb and now we
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have the nsa no i'm not joking i'm not joking what's the difference mike uh good to have you on michael
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malice uh michael malice.com michael malice.com you can grab the book dear reader the unauthorized
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biography of kim jong uh ill and we'll talk to you again tomorrow uh a little bit about you know
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what's like to live in a communist country and uh what your family saw and how that relates to today
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thank you so much michael we'll talk to you again thank you so much you bet now this in our tech
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hello america i thought he was fascinating yeah i mean an incredible life he's lived and and you
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know it's one of those things i remember i was very jokey about north korea for a long time it's it is
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it does seem silly there's so much ridiculousness there and i remember it was it was michael malice's
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book and also jonah goldberg column i read at one point and you know this is really like
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hitler in our time going on oh i know we don't pay attention and we just don't treat it that way at
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all and we just kind of treat it as this sort of silly thing that's going on in this other part of
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the world and it really is serious yeah there's there's there's a couple of things happening in
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the world um uh and i will share some pretty big news uh about the nazarene fund um i got word that
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one of our operations went well uh which the operations that we're involved in now with the
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nazarene fund are absolutely hair-raising um i will hopefully have all the information cleared to
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be able to share with you tomorrow um but what's happening in the middle east and what's happening
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in north korea those are probably the two biggest stories um that you know we we'd like to say on
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our high horse oh you know our founders should have done something about slavery oh i would have done
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something about that i would have really oh the world should have reacted you know with hitler in
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the concentration camps where was the rest of the world i would react different really because it's
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happening it's happening right now and we're going through the same thing that every society goes
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through what do you do what do you do and the average person is not the one making those big sweeping
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differences it is it is the the governments that do it and that's why we took on the nazarene fund you
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can't wait for the government i don't know what you do with concentration camps in north korea
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holy cow can we can we get that guy who escaped do you think we could find him the guy who escaped
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the concentration camp in north korea and came out and smuggled information out he's he is fascinating
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because what they're doing in these concentration camps america doesn't know and i don't think the
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world really cares and we should it's not a drumbeat to war but it's at least something that you need to
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be aware of a special on uh north korea and its leadership tonight at five only on the blaze tv