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00:00:00.000 The Fauci hearings today, I plead the fifth.

00:00:02.980 Who didn't see that one coming?

00:00:05.280 I guarantee you what you're going to see is the mainstream media is going to make this all about Rand Paul wanting to get this sweet old man who did nothing wrong, how he kicked his attorney out.

00:00:16.220 He had six of them, by the way.

00:00:18.100 And this is just nothing but a hatchet job.

00:00:20.560 That's that's what the mainstream media is going to say.

00:00:22.640 And meanwhile, Annie Jacobson was on discussing her new book about biological warfare and COVID and why it's so important to get this right.

00:00:32.720 Because her new book that came out yesterday is absolutely terrifying.

00:00:37.060 Wait until you hear what is truly going on all over the world with biological warfare and, you know, gene splicing.

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00:02:15.640 so it's june 19th 2021 anthony fauci gets a phone call from a radiologist at sibley hospital in

00:02:22.540 washington now we know this from the diaries how did we get the diaries ran paul released his

00:02:29.020 private diaries no no anthony fauci was dumb enough to write his diaries on public servers

00:02:36.500 he wrote them on government servers those are now government property it was um uh jf or rfk

00:02:45.840 jr that found them on the surge on the servers and he released them to ran paul ran paul then

00:02:52.460 said well they're public so release them all we find this out this this little piece we find out

00:03:02.080 now this week that he goes to the hospital in washington he goes in for a scan because he said

00:03:07.500 he's never felt pain like this before he has pain in his chest he's worried maybe it's a heart

00:03:13.920 attack now he had just gotten publicly his uh his shot for the um the coronavirus okay he gets his

00:03:23.860 he gets his shot that's definitely going to stop it from you're never gonna have to worry about it

00:03:28.440 again anyway so the radiologist does something because he's anthony fauci that he no radiologist

00:03:34.860 would ever do you ask the radiologist what what do you see the radiologist always says nothing

00:03:39.260 because he's not a doctor he's a radio nothing nothing i don't i don't know you have to talk

00:03:43.500 to your doctor the doctor will give you that okay so the radiologist looks at it and he says there's

00:03:49.020 a lesion in your lower lobe and i think it's cancer so he writes in his diary that he felt

00:03:55.680 like he was hit by a mack truck turns out it wasn't cancer what was it a pulmonologist re-read

00:04:03.160 the film what fauci had was a pulmonary infarct wait what what is that what what is that piece

00:04:13.620 of lung tissue that died because a clot a clot cut off his blood supply

00:04:18.980 wow now wait a minute hang on at that moment he's the most visible advocate for the covid vaccine

00:04:26.920 on the planet he had taken his first dose on live television and then he has this pulmonary

00:04:33.360 infarct and doesn't say anything now the diary doesn't say the vaccine caused the clot

00:04:39.080 fauci never wrote that uh robert kennender kennedy and dr peter mccullough made this connection this

00:04:45.300 week on the basis of timing and the fact that clotting events appear on federal lists of rare

00:04:50.680 adverse effects. But the CDC does not list a pulmonary infarction among the common side effects

00:04:57.040 of mRNA vaccines. And also, just to be fair, Anthony Fauci is 80 in June of 2021. 80-year-old

00:05:05.300 men, they throw clots. If you tried to prove causation in a courtroom on that evidence,

00:05:11.740 you'd lose and you'd probably deserve to lose so i'm not saying it is caused by the covid vaccine

00:05:17.640 what i am telling you is what's left standing there a man telling 300 million americans that

00:05:26.200 adverse events were vanishingly rare had an event in his own lung and got quietly treated by some of

00:05:35.020 the best physicians in the country didn't disclose it not to the press not to the parents he was

00:05:40.720 asking to vaccinate their 12-year-olds, he wrote it down in a private notebook and kept walking

00:05:46.660 to the podium telling everybody, including 80-year-olds, you got to get this. That's not

00:05:53.380 a medical question. That's a character question. And the rest of the diary answers all of those

00:06:00.880 questions. In May of 2020, he writes, he's the most famous and talked about person in the country.

00:06:06.780 and there are pages and pages about the actors and the comedians there's an entry about a phone

00:06:12.320 call from barbara streisand there are entries where he calls ran paul stupid for asking about

00:06:17.860 the nih royalty payments which we proved we proved in our special what was the name of the special

00:06:25.360 the cover-up covid cover-up yeah i think so it's available right now at glennbeck.com you should

00:06:29.880 go back and watch it we proved those payment we showed you the payments were going to the federal

00:06:36.400 reserve. Why? What was happening? We made a partnership before the coronavirus.

00:06:45.480 And then he writes in his diary in 2022, after the midterms, he says, wow, good thing the midterms

00:06:52.540 turned out this way. Paul's not going to be able to haul me into hearings anymore.

00:06:56.100 And then something else. On January 26, 2020, five weeks before the World Health Organization

00:07:00.960 would use the word pandemic Fauci wrote privately that the first infection was in early December

00:07:07.980 and was not connected to the wet market

00:07:12.220 now wait a minute wait a minute wait a minute did you know that because I didn't know that

00:07:19.560 I knew that was true that that it was true not connected to the wet market because we showed you

00:07:26.780 in our special we showed you what was happening and that fauci knew what was happening in that lab

00:07:32.660 in december and really i think it started in september didn't it jason it was september october

00:07:39.680 but it really started to show first signs of this is deadly um in late november early december okay

00:07:47.340 then he goes on to say that the wet market was the amplifier

00:07:51.420 well why would it be the amplifier if it's not the source what what is the source and how is

00:07:59.460 the wet market well the wuhan lab is right there by the wet market so that would make sense if it

00:08:07.100 came from the lab but go find publicly what he was saying that spring none of this okay so let

00:08:14.500 me tell you exactly what i believe and let me be precise about the word believe because i can't

00:08:20.580 prove it in court. This is not a courtroom. We have the documents. I've made a very powerful

00:08:25.880 argument. I think if I was in a courtroom, I would win, but that's not the way our system works,

00:08:31.880 okay? I believe that Anthony Fauci approved gain-of-function research, and he knows exactly

00:08:37.360 how that is defined. Once he redefined it in front of Congress, he went back and they changed it on

00:08:45.940 the NIH website to fit his description of what gain-of-function is. I believe he did it because

00:08:53.760 he's arrogant enough to conclude the work was too important for the law to stop him, and he found a

00:08:58.580 way to rout the money and let him say later that it wasn't technically what everybody knows it

00:09:04.520 exactly was. Wuhan was sloppy. Something went wrong in the fall of 2019. People started getting sick

00:09:11.880 shortly after, and I believe it was the cover-up that followed. That's not a theory. The cover-up

00:09:19.320 is documented. The last part is an opinion. In April, a federal grand jury indicted Dr. David

00:09:28.040 Morin's, that's Fauci's closest aide for nearly two decades, on five counts, including conspiracy

00:09:34.800 and destruction of federal records. The indictment describes Morin's moving conversations off

00:09:41.540 government email specifically to defeat the freedom of information request. It names Peter

00:09:47.460 Daszak of EcoHealth Alliance, the outfit that passed NIH money to the Wuhan Institute of

00:09:53.140 Virology. It lists them as a co-conspirator along with another guy from Boston University.

00:10:01.160 51 years of theoretical exposure. That case is live right now. And the question that I just

00:10:11.200 can't get past is, if there's nothing there, what were they hiding? You don't route correspondence

00:10:20.060 through Gmail to protect science. You don't shred documents, as it was pointed out again today.

00:10:27.820 Anthony Fauci, his assistant, is on record shredding documents. Why would you do that?

00:10:35.300 You don't do that unless you're trying to assure that a grantee, their name, doesn't turn up in a FOIA production to protect science or to protect yourself, okay?

00:10:48.400 That's exactly what was going on.

00:10:50.600 And I'll tell you where the case is then.

00:10:52.820 There is no proven link between the coronavirus work at the lab and the outbreak.

00:10:58.840 there are really credible opinions including that the CIA briefed Fauci early on saying it came from

00:11:07.000 the lab and then he never said anything about it including the fact that he early on said it came

00:11:12.720 from the lab everybody on his team there was 13 people in the room everybody except two said it

00:11:19.720 came from the lab we always heard it was the opposite it was just a minority no the majority

00:11:26.280 everybody said it came from the lab and then he and peter dasik went to work people started getting

00:11:32.200 grants when they suddenly came out and said no it didn't come from the lab and most of the fight

00:11:37.920 over is gain of function and that's just about a definition at this point okay does this experiment

00:11:44.900 meet the exact federal language that definitional gap is exactly how he has survived eight rounds

00:11:52.420 of this. The diaries strengthen the conduct of his case enormously, enormously, but they don't

00:12:00.340 close the origins case. And if I didn't tell you this, you should know that I would be selling you

00:12:05.700 something. It doesn't, but it's a strong case. So I think this morning he's listening to his lawyers,

00:12:14.740 his six lawyers let him know you could either just repeat exactly what you said before

00:12:22.840 but there might be able to get you into lying which would put you in prison

00:12:26.940 because they now have the evidence that what you said was a lie so you really have one move left

00:12:35.280 well two you could say i don't remember i don't recall and look like an old man that just doesn't

00:12:41.300 remember anymore and you could be remembered for that or you could look defiant and you could make

00:12:46.080 this whole case uh look like there that this Rand Paul is just after me and I'm just this simple

00:12:53.620 public servant and he's after me and we'll stage a little thing at the very beginning where he's

00:12:59.100 gonna force me to get out because I've already been told I can't sit at the table with you that's

00:13:04.200 not the way this works blah blah blah um and so he'll force me out and that'll only make it

00:13:11.220 stronger i can guarantee you that's what he that's what he took he took the one move to look like the

00:13:17.340 the victim and plead the fifth and john you um laid this out um i mean it's almost arithmetic

00:13:25.120 the way this works a pardon covers what he said and did before it was signed a knowing false

00:13:32.040 statement under oath today is a brand new federal crime, and the auto pin can't reach that one.

00:13:38.740 Every time he pleads the fifth, however, remember he says it with a thousand pages of his own

00:13:44.620 handwriting sitting on the table right in front of him. A man who never expected anyone to read it

00:13:51.900 wrote down who he actually was and what he was really doing. And for the first time today,

00:13:58.660 who was asked to sit in a room where we all know exactly who he is.

00:14:04.200 It's a sad day for the republic because you don't have an honest search for truth

00:14:10.480 on the other side.

00:14:12.620 The facts are so clear on this.

00:14:15.840 And what you have is you have big state.

00:14:18.840 It's not Democrats.

00:14:19.960 It's big state.

00:14:21.080 Anybody who is for the big state, anybody who is like,

00:14:24.080 look, we're going to have to do things that we have to do.

00:14:26.860 and you know if things get tough we have to have all of the tools in our hands we have to be able

00:14:34.180 to say you're not doing that or you go to jail you have to do this you have to take this vaccine

00:14:39.560 or you're going to be a pariah we have to be able to say to the media no you do these things if they

00:14:47.300 start pulling on this thread you're going to see all of the crimes that were committed at least

00:14:52.840 crimes against your rights crimes against the bill of rights and the media is not covering any

00:15:00.420 of this because they were cohorts in it they were just as responsible it's a sad day for the

00:15:07.500 republic because if you don't correct this if somebody doesn't pay the next guy who is just

00:15:15.320 as arrogant goes well fauci got away with it do you know why hitler knew he could get away with

00:15:22.120 exterminating the Jews?

00:15:25.440 Turkey.

00:15:28.420 Turkey.

00:15:30.360 Turkey, the Turks went in

00:15:32.160 and they rounded up and they slaughtered

00:15:34.520 all of the Armenians. Just slaughtered

00:15:36.480 them. And the world said

00:15:38.300 nothing. And Hitler said

00:15:40.520 at the time, the world

00:15:42.220 doesn't care.

00:15:43.880 If you slaughter the right people, the world

00:15:46.400 doesn't care. He knew

00:15:48.440 then I could get rid of the Jews.

00:15:50.200 If the world would have cared about the Armenians, maybe Hitler would have known they'll care about the Jews, too.

00:15:59.800 That's the point of this hearing.

00:16:01.920 This is not about get them.

00:16:03.860 It's not about any of that.

00:16:05.420 It's about making sure this can't happen again, and you don't set a precedent for somebody who is even crazier than Anthony Fauci.

00:16:14.400 No, when the president says you're not doing it, you're not doing it.

00:16:17.640 And when it happens, you better tell the truth.

00:16:22.100 I wouldn't have had a problem without Fauci.

00:16:24.140 I would have had a problem to some degree, but not like I do now.

00:16:26.960 If he would have said, yeah, I did this.

00:16:28.880 I thought it was the right thing.

00:16:30.340 They were a sloppy deal.

00:16:31.980 And yeah, I am responsible.

00:16:34.720 Not entirely, but I have to admit I played a role.

00:16:37.840 I would have actually had, I actually would have had compassion for him.

00:16:42.440 He still should have paid a price, but I would have had compassion for him.

00:16:45.360 I despise this man now.

00:16:47.640 this is the best of the glenbeck program one of my favorite writers investigators is uh annie 0.64

00:16:58.880 jacobson i i have so much respect for what she does uh she does years of research on something

00:17:06.980 goes deeper than anybody i know um and lets the chip fall fall where they may and then she can

00:17:15.700 and she she's just an absolute pro at telling a great story so the way she talks about it after

00:17:23.320 she's done all her investigation she knows how to capture your attention and tell a great story

00:17:28.140 she just did a scenario on nuclear war that was her last bestseller and it was holy cow was that

00:17:34.920 good especially if you listen to her she has such a beautiful voice and she's so dry and calm that

00:17:41.120 when she's talking about things that are horrifying in such an almost detached sort of way it makes it

00:17:47.360 even more disturbing um but you can get through it i started listening to her um her new book

00:17:54.700 biological war yesterday i'm about halfway through it and it is i mean it's riveting and i knew it was

00:18:03.520 going to be terrifying when uh you know back in the 90s there was a guy who ran the soviet

00:18:09.340 biological warfare department and he was terrifying and i did an interview with him he

00:18:14.180 wrote a book i can't remember what it was called and his name is ken albick or something like that

00:18:18.480 uh and he defected and he wrote a book about what the difference is between russia and the united

00:18:26.140 states and what he had experienced in russia where they were looking to kill people in these horrible

00:18:32.380 experiments that they did she went even further on this because she was quoting him uh and went

00:18:38.880 even further than he went. And then she gets into a horrifying scenario of what a real outbreak

00:18:48.320 looks like. This is so important today because Fauci today is pleading the fifth. And think

00:18:56.660 what you want about COVID and the masks and everything else. We know because we have the

00:19:04.080 evidence now that there was at least a cover-up. There's no real solid absolute proof that it came

00:19:11.180 from the Wuhan lab, but I think the evidence is so strong that it's at least the most likely

00:19:19.540 scenario. And the fact that we may have been involved in that. What else are we doing? What

00:19:25.340 else is the United States or other countries working on? How bad are these labs? This just

00:19:31.160 seems like we're on a suicidal path and no one's going to pay a price for what just happened and

00:19:37.320 more importantly we're never really going to know the truth about what happened annie jacobson

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00:20:00.320 Welcome to the program.

00:20:02.120 Thank you so much for having me.

00:20:03.500 And thank you for that lovely introduction.

00:20:06.760 Terrifying.

00:20:07.440 Why do you do this?

00:20:08.720 How did you, how did you come?

00:20:10.900 I was, I was listening to the book last night and I'm like, what part of you makes you look

00:20:17.300 for the darkest, most terrifying things and then expose them?

00:20:22.100 Is this what, is this what you planned on doing with your life at some point?

00:20:25.640 Why did you choose this?

00:20:26.760 I'm a national security reporter who writes about war and weapons. And my first six books were written in the past tense. And these two books, Nuclear War Scenario and Biological War Scenario, look at the future based on hypothetical Pentagon war games.

00:20:44.600 and yes they are terrifying but you know i say that right in the author's note in the beginning

00:20:51.020 it ends in dystopia but at the same time you can look at the book as a cautionary tale

00:20:57.140 so here's the problem you know i was just talking about fauci and and pleading the fifth i really

00:21:05.120 would like to see the guy go to jail if the evidence could be proven in the court of law

00:21:08.840 However, I just want the truth, and we have to have standards, because if we were involved in something, mistakes were made, we have to know those things.

00:21:20.860 People have to pay a price, or the next time, it will just be worse.

00:21:26.300 What are your thoughts on this, and did this play a role?

00:21:30.480 Did COVID play a role in you writing this book at all?

00:21:35.200 Everyone I interviewed had an opinion about COVID.

00:21:38.840 specifically about, you know, the lab leak at Wuhan, but I left it out of the book for a very

00:21:44.940 particular reason, because I wanted readers to be able to come to their own conclusions, whatever

00:21:49.620 their preconceptions may be. And I do think people think and look differently at COVID after they

00:21:57.100 read the book. That's the feedback I've gotten so far. The book just published yesterday.

00:22:00.820 But, you know, absolutely right. COVID could have been on top of all the horrors that it was. It could exist for us as a nation as a terrific example of, you know, what might happen, what could happen. And instead, it's left this fractured society with people absolutely digging their heels in about their beliefs. Not everyone, but a large portion of America, I think.

00:22:29.280 I think more important than just what they believe, the trust is gone.

00:22:37.080 It's just gone.

00:22:38.960 If it happened, if an outbreak happened today, half of the country would not believe Donald Trump.

00:22:44.440 If it was Joe Biden or Kamala Harris, half of the country would not believe her.

00:22:49.460 And there's so many people now that no matter who's in the office, they don't trust the science because they couldn't admit any mistakes.

00:22:59.820 Anywhere along the, I would have so much sympathy for people who made mistakes and then said, I made this horrible mistake.

00:23:06.420 I thought at this time, because I think we, I think the people's intent at the very beginning was this could be really bad.

00:23:13.980 We got to do everything we can.

00:23:15.700 But then there came a time to where, I don't know what the motivation was, but let's just call them all these horrible mistakes.

00:23:22.320 And they never admitted it.

00:23:23.940 So we've lost the trust.

00:23:25.660 Yeah, there's so much uncertainty when you're talking about bio. You've said you've gotten halfway through the book. Well, it doesn't end well. I think what people will really be surprised to learn about is COVID had a case fatality rate of 1%. 1%. One in 100 people die.

00:23:46.780 There are genetically modified pathogens out there that have 100% case fatality rate.

00:23:52.680 Everybody dies.

00:23:53.960 And I show readers what the government has planned for that kind of event.

00:24:00.080 And when you see what exists on the books, you know, I take the readers from outbreak

00:24:04.860 to anarchy in six days.

00:24:08.240 Anarchy.

00:24:09.020 And then you learn what happens after anarchy.

00:24:11.160 And so, again, I really hope that the takeaway from this is not panic, it's pressure. Because when people read this book, which is all based on sources telling me, I'm talking about presidential advising, okay, yep, this is actually what we do.

00:24:27.320 they will say, whoa, like we've got to drop the rock on those other issues and really focus on

00:24:36.640 what people are supposed to do, what people can do. But you're absolutely right that

00:24:41.180 there has to be a kind of accountability for it because no one likes to be misled.

00:24:46.300 And whatever you say about the lab leak, whatever you fall, you absolutely know now that public

00:24:52.280 health officials were not being honest honest that doesn't work in my family it shouldn't work

00:24:58.880 in the government no so so annie you're writing this and and i've been watching you for the last

00:25:06.340 couple of months um and really since we spoke last time right after the last book um i've been

00:25:12.880 watching you and and uh and seeing your reaction to pathogens and biological weapons or biological

00:25:21.460 problems. How convinced are you that we are near something and near something not like

00:25:31.160 the Spanish flu, but from an accident in one of these labs?

00:25:38.120 You know, case in point, I mean, accidents are listed in Defense Department nomenclature

00:25:45.280 as having the same plan go into effect as an attack.

00:25:50.420 And that's the only wargaming I know that considers that.

00:25:54.780 I mean, a nuclear accident is going to be dealt with entirely differently

00:25:58.580 because it's going to have entirely different consequences than a nuclear attack.

00:26:02.740 Biological is actually called biological incident or attack.

00:26:07.760 So a lab leak, 100% is as deadly as an attack.

00:26:13.040 because the pathogen if it's airborne the weapon system is the human lung set

00:26:19.900 so shouldn't what this you know this gain of function research i mean we are just suicidal

00:26:30.300 all of this stuff that is out there already sitting deep in a lab um i mean i understand

00:26:36.540 if we're looking for you know cures for these weapons but i just don't know it feels as though

00:26:42.220 we have crossed a point to where we're almost insane and will appear to be suicidal at some

00:26:49.000 point down the road. And you can't use any of these biological weapons. It's all against the

00:26:57.220 law since Nixon. But how many countries are still doing this stuff? Well, for starters,

00:27:04.420 look at the labs. So there are 110 BSL-4 labs around the world. That's the maximum containment

00:27:12.180 lab. And BSL-3, by the way, is just right below that. You can work with plague, hantavirus,

00:27:19.000 anthrax, rabies in a BSL-3 lab. And there are 3,500 of those labs around the world.

00:27:27.760 And so the idea of an accident is, you know, we're just right at that precipice.

00:27:33.080 You mentioned about like suicide. I quote, there was a existential sort of philosopher,

00:27:39.980 Nick Bostrom spoke, God, it's 10 years ago now, about AI maybe being humans' last great invention.

00:27:48.400 And I echo him, only I say that about genetic modification of terms.

00:27:54.580 That could very well be 21st century humans' last invention.

00:28:01.960 You know, when you actually know why Elon Musk wants to go to Mars, it makes more sense.

00:28:08.440 You know, he wants to get off before AI and the singularity happen because he's like, otherwise man may not exist.

00:28:15.640 You know, we don't know what's coming our way.

00:28:17.560 The same thing with biological weapons.

00:28:20.480 You know, we don't have a seed vault for the human race.

00:28:25.180 We screw this up.

00:28:27.100 There's no seed vault.

00:28:28.100 And I think that's what Elon Musk is trying to do with Mars to some degree.

00:28:33.140 Let me take a one-minute break, Annie.

00:28:35.260 And then I want you to just set the scene for this war game narrative and take us through it.

00:28:43.980 We'll do that in 60 seconds.

00:28:45.600 First, Z-factor.

00:28:47.180 Amazing how many things human beings have invented in an attempt to fall asleep.

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00:29:51.320 10 seconds and back to Annie.

00:29:59.100 so annie you tell your readers right at the beginning of the book before you get into the

00:30:09.620 story this ends in dystopia why do you give away the ending that's the only ending glenn that is

00:30:17.240 the only ending with a genetically modified pathogen to be airborne among the population

00:30:24.760 You might as well know that right off the bat.

00:30:27.460 I mean, Tom Cruise is not coming to save the day.

00:30:33.720 You sure?

00:30:35.160 Give me just a sliver of that.

00:30:38.560 But?

00:30:39.740 But, well, you know, I think you and I have spoken about this before when we were talking nuclear,

00:30:45.140 that I really love the phrase, you can't fix what you can't face.

00:30:50.500 because what it also means is you can fix what you're willing to face.

00:30:55.320 And so when you have a bit of knowledge about these subjects that are so terrifying,

00:31:03.140 then you can arm yourself with the correct information.

00:31:07.220 You can understand when a mask would be appropriate and when it isn't.

00:31:12.740 You can understand, you know, when the hantavirus outbreak happened, for example, in May

00:31:17.940 and everyone was all worried about it. Well, that was a legitimate fear because there is a strain

00:31:22.500 that is airborne. When it proved not to be that airborne strain, you could take different measures.

00:31:30.700 People don't notice, so they go to an alternative narrative. How could you not?

00:31:37.640 All right. So take us through the scenario that you lay out in the book. We've got about five

00:31:41.780 minutes here. Lay out the beginning of the scenario. What's happening? I tie everything

00:31:46.420 to either something has happened in the past or, you know, things that Defense Department

00:31:51.340 games out in the future. So you have an outbreak at a BSL-4 lab in Siberia, in Russia, because

00:31:58.540 Russia still has a bioweapons program in violation of the treaty. Very quickly, you got

00:32:04.960 airborne, you got travelers, hunters, international businessmen in that area of Novosibirsk

00:32:12.500 get on planes and they go to every continent but antarctica there you have it it's spread

00:32:18.780 and once it's spread it's too late i show what the defense department what the intelligence

00:32:24.140 community is doing you know gangbusters to try to understand what this pathogen is because until

00:32:31.600 you know what something is how do you try and defeat it and very quickly it arrives in the

00:32:36.960 United States. And then I show readers the plans in place that the president has, that the

00:32:43.900 biodefense council has. And most interestingly to me was understanding that it's a bureaucratic

00:32:50.020 nightmare, meaning you don't have the defense department in charge, who essentially are kind

00:32:55.740 of like go to it, get it done, say what you will about the DOD, but that's what they do.

00:33:01.020 You've got HHS in charge.

00:33:03.200 You've got CDC who reports to HHS.

00:33:05.820 You've got FEMA.

00:33:06.680 You've got DHS.

00:33:07.660 You've got all these organizations sitting around the White House trying to organize

00:33:12.800 themselves, their thoughts, and their plans.

00:33:15.920 And it all moves very quickly.

00:33:18.240 And by the time they decide what they can do, and by the time that USAMRID, the DOD's

00:33:24.180 only BSL-4 lab at Fort Detrick is able to identify the pathogen in my book as pneumonic

00:33:32.240 plague, one of the scariest to all public health officials pathogens with a hundred percent

00:33:39.780 death rate. By the time they know that it's too late. How many BSL-4 labs have that

00:33:48.420 pathogen? Plague is, I mean, plague, Glenn, think about it. The bubonic plague of the 14th century,

00:33:56.760 there are history books written about this. And I quote survivors, what they said happened to

00:34:01.780 people. And everyone thinks, oh, bubonic plague is a thing of the past because Yersinia pestis,

00:34:08.380 that's the germ. Antibiotics will kill that germ. Well, not anymore when you're talking about

00:34:15.240 genetic modifications. One of the things that gain of function does, it makes pathogens more

00:34:21.440 virulent, it makes them more transmissible, and it makes them able to defeat existing vaccines

00:34:28.360 or antibiotics. And so if there is no cure, you just have mass death, you have anarchy,

00:34:36.040 you have insurrection. And I show readers, I'm not going to spoiler alert because I want you

00:34:40.500 to experience this. But what happens after the Insurrection Act is declared is a classified plan

00:34:48.360 called the Devolution Plan. And I was able to get Obama's former FEMA director, Craig Fugate,

00:34:56.120 to take me and I take readers up to the edge of what can legally be known about that plan,

00:35:02.280 where all the government goes off to secret bunkers called hot sites, cold sites, and warm

00:35:10.460 sites. So let that stew in your imagination when you finish my book. Thank you very much.

00:35:17.640 I hate you so much. I want to leave the program right now and go read the rest of the book.

00:35:25.140 um um so annie um can you give us something because when you describe the guy on the plane

00:35:35.100 oh my gosh how quickly he is devolving um and how it is everywhere on that plane

00:35:44.920 um and it's just one guy um it's a little terrifying yeah you know the go ahead i was

00:35:54.760 going to say, may I butt in? Yeah. Because in your intro, I cannot forget this, in your intro,

00:36:00.680 you mentioned Ken Alibac. And he was one of the Soviet defectors. And there were a number of them.

00:36:07.260 And I interviewed their CIA handlers for the book and learned a lot more. And I interviewed

00:36:12.480 one of the world's experts on plague at USAMRID, at the DOD's BSL-4 lab, who told me what Alibac

00:36:20.640 was really doing and his team in the Cold War, in the Soviet bioweapons program, never reported

00:36:27.360 before, they were inserting through gain of function, genetic modification, they were

00:36:32.680 inserting the gene. This is what you're referring to, the traveler on the plane, the gene for

00:36:38.280 euphoria. And so you may say to yourself, well, what on earth would that be for? What would it do?

00:36:43.780 Think about it. If you're really sick, you go home and get under the covers and you don't infect anyone. But the Soviet sort of malevolent scientists thought if we inject euphoria into the pathogen, people will go out and socialize. They may even go to the disco and they will infect other people. That's dark.

00:37:10.320 Oh, really dark.

00:37:12.320 We're going to come back and we'll talk some more because I want to spend some time on Ken and why he defected in the end and what he experienced and some of the stuff that he did that I didn't know that you reveal at the beginning of the book that is just white-knuckle terrifying.

00:37:28.200 Annie Jacobson, the name of the book is Biological War, a Scenario.

00:37:32.800 It's available everywhere right now and well worth it.

00:37:35.500 Listen to the audio because her narration is fabulous.

00:37:38.000 You're streaming the best of Glenn Beck.

00:37:40.320 To hear more of this interview and others, download the full show podcasts wherever you get podcasts.

00:37:48.460 All right.

00:37:49.520 So let me start with a good on flock cameras.

00:37:52.760 Because flock cameras are starting to become even less popular than data centers.

00:38:00.720 So let me give you the good side.

00:38:02.260 Truck gets stolen out of a driveway two in the morning.

00:38:05.180 Ten years ago, that was a report, a case number, and a shrug.

00:38:08.540 Good luck.

00:38:09.440 Maybe we'll find it.

00:38:10.320 Okay. Today, a camera on a pole reads the plate as it crosses the county line. A deputy has a

00:38:16.600 direction of travel before the owner finishes his coffee. Another one, woman with dementia. 0.99

00:38:23.020 There was a woman with dementia. They didn't find her body right here. I live right across the

00:38:27.920 street from a reservoir in this canyon that my ranch is in. And it was snowy, really bad. Woman

00:38:34.840 with dementia, gets into her car, and she's driving, and she's trying to find her way home.

00:38:40.680 She has no reason to be in this canyon. It's nowhere, this is not the direction of her home,

00:38:45.000 but she has dementia. It's late at night. She drives off, you know, the road, a little cliff,

00:38:51.460 and she goes into the water, and the car sinks into the water. Nobody knows it,

00:39:00.600 because it was in the middle of the night.

00:39:03.080 Nobody knows where she is, has no idea, until the thaws come,

00:39:08.140 and then the water line starts to go down in the summer,

00:39:11.900 and you start to see the car, and you're like, oh, dear God.

00:39:14.780 And they pull her car and her out.

00:39:16.660 It took months for anybody to know where she was.

00:39:19.880 If you had a flock camera, the system would know.

00:39:24.260 Families would have, you know, known maybe they would have been able to stop her

00:39:28.640 before she even got into this canyon.

00:39:30.600 All right. Flock Safety says it's technology supported by more than a million public safety investigations last year, assisted in 20 percent of solved cases where departments used it, helped locate more than 10,000 missing people.

00:39:46.700 Now, that's the company's own number, unaudited, so weigh it accordingly. But go tell the sheriff who found a missing child with one of the flock cameras that they don't work and you're going to lose the argument.

00:39:57.620 And you should. It works. And nobody serious should say otherwise. It is great.

00:40:05.540 But it has a dark side, as everything does in today's world. The camera doesn't read the plate

00:40:13.240 of a stolen truck. It reads every plate. It reads yours on the way to work, yours on the way to

00:40:19.020 church, yours on the way to the doctor, yours on the way to the lawyer, the gun store, the divorce

00:40:22.660 attorney. And the newer ones don't stop at the plate. They log the make, the model, the color,

00:40:28.040 the dent in your fender, the rack on your roof, the sticker in your back window. Some of them

00:40:33.540 track people and faces, not just cars. And all of it drops into a searchable database and sits there

00:40:40.520 for weeks. Now, one camera is a tool. 90,000 of them wired into a network across thousands of

00:40:49.720 communities is not a tool. It's a standing answer to a question nobody asked. And that question is,

00:40:57.720 where has this person been for the last month? Now, you can talk about theoretical abuse,

00:41:04.760 but let's talk about real stuff that is already happening. Officers in Georgia have been arrested

00:41:09.960 over the misuse of the system. Police around the country have lost their jobs for running

00:41:14.200 plate readers on women that they're interested in. Columbus officer ran immigration searches.

00:41:23.080 Reporters found police using a search function to hunt for people by tattoo and t-shirt, not cars

00:41:29.820 and people. In Los Angeles, the department's own inspector general flagged how often the system

00:41:36.140 falsely flagged vehicles as stolen, which means innocent drivers were getting pulled over in

00:41:42.540 California at gunpoint because the software misread a letter. So cities are starting to

00:41:49.820 cancel this. More than 50 of them, 39 in the first five months of this year alone. Syracuse pulled

00:41:55.980 131 cameras off the polls. Denver let its contract lapse. Los Angeles let its expire. Then city after

00:42:05.240 city, a different crew showed up and bolted a different camera onto the same pole. Now it's

00:42:12.220 axon this is the taser company the body camera company they're already sitting inside of those

00:42:18.200 police departments denver cut the camera count in half shortened the data retention from 30 days to

00:42:24.200 21 and called it a victory syracuse changed the vendors and kept the network security expert

00:42:31.260 bruce schneider said leaving a flock uh for axon is like is like quitting uh fanduel because you're

00:42:41.580 addicted to it and joining draft kings it's the same thing okay the problem is not the company

00:42:50.200 the problem is there is no rule a contract gets renegotiated a vendor will get swapped

00:42:57.580 police chief retires uh council turns over and every promise that protected you walks right out

00:43:05.620 the door with that person leaving the law is the only thing that survives the next election

00:43:11.240 If you're going to have flock cameras, you have to have law.

00:43:17.680 Good news, we already have one.

00:43:19.920 We've had it since 1791.

00:43:22.820 In fact, BJ, do you have a little bit of the song from Torch 250?

00:43:28.500 This is a song about the Fourth Amendment.

00:43:32.860 You have it? Play it if you have it.

00:43:35.220 The Fourth Amendment is all about how you can't do these things.

00:43:40.260 Listen.

00:43:44.260 Number four protects my rights.

00:43:47.860 Do it right or just leave me alone.

00:43:50.720 You've got to have a warrant.

00:43:52.120 You have to have probable cause.

00:43:53.600 Otherwise, leave me alone.

00:43:57.520 There is no warrant.

00:44:01.780 These flock cameras have no warrant.

00:44:04.720 Warrants have to come from a judge.

00:44:06.920 They're issued on probable cause.

00:44:09.820 What's the probable cause of watching me all of the time?

00:44:14.760 You're not searching my place or my person by name, but I will tell you, it's either the Third Amendment, which is watching you all the time through, you know, having somebody, you know, having military posted inside of your house, which is the Third Amendment.

00:44:37.520 Or it's the Fourth Amendment.

00:44:40.400 Where is your search warrant?

00:44:42.000 How can you possibly search me?

00:44:43.700 How can you possibly watch me all the time?

00:44:46.720 Okay?

00:44:49.700 The men who wrote the Fourth Amendment had lived under a piece of paper that let an officer search anyone he pleased.

00:44:58.900 They could go in and just say, I don't need a warrant.

00:45:03.320 I can search you. 0.98

00:45:04.520 I can haul your butt over here for anything I want.

00:45:08.400 A camera that photographs every single car that passes it is a warrant with no name on it.

00:45:17.080 You know, I've been doing this for years.

00:45:20.840 I've been reading this stuff.

00:45:21.980 I mean, I've been doing this job for 49 years.

00:45:24.560 I've been reading this stuff about, you know, the amendments for 25 years.

00:45:29.600 This has happened before.

00:45:31.080 I'm looking now for all the times that these things have happened before.

00:45:33.820 Listen to this one. Did you know in August of 1945, days after the war ended, the ink is barely dry on the surrender, two men from the Army Signals Intelligence went to New York and sat down with three companies that carried telegrams.

00:45:50.520 It was Western Union, RCA, and ITT, and they said, we need a copy of every telegram going

00:45:59.340 into or out of the United States, and the company said yes.

00:46:05.200 It ran for 30 years.

00:46:07.560 Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, at its peak, analysts were pulling 150,000

00:46:13.880 messages every month without a warrant, not one court order.

00:46:18.220 That's the same as your car.

00:46:20.520 Not one American knew what was happening.

00:46:22.900 They called it Project Shamrock.

00:46:24.780 So they're pulling all of these.

00:46:26.480 There's nothing going wrong, but they're just watching the traffic, okay?

00:46:31.260 There was no law against it at the time.

00:46:34.500 No law against it.

00:46:36.100 Nobody had written one because when it started, the technology was new.

00:46:39.900 The war had just ended, and everybody involved meant well.

00:46:44.780 Finally was exposed in 1975.

00:46:47.260 The Senate dragged it into the daylight and investigators asked the retired deputy director whether reading Americans telegrams had been legal.

00:46:55.560 And he said, I don't know. You'll have to ask the lawyers. That's the problem.

00:46:59.900 So Congress wrote the law. The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act made the wholesale warrantless collection of raw telegrams, phone calls, everything else.

00:47:08.600 It required a warrant to target an American.

00:47:11.620 and that program ran three decades in the dark

00:47:15.160 and it died two years after somebody turned the light on.

00:47:17.960 30 years before anybody found out about it.

00:47:21.760 Flock has been at this for seven

00:47:23.760 and we know,

00:47:26.620 but that's the entire advantage.

00:47:29.100 It has a shelf life.

00:47:31.900 Knoxville County,

00:47:33.480 the mayor there, Glenn Jacobs, I think,

00:47:36.940 he looked at a plan for 270 cameras in his county

00:47:40.660 funded by more than a million dollars in grant money?

00:47:43.700 And he said, yeah, no, no.

00:47:46.720 Not let's study it, no.

00:47:49.900 His commission didn't ban them on Monday.

00:47:52.240 They voted to keep arguing and come back next month.

00:47:54.820 That's a fight, not a defeat.

00:47:59.160 There's a Tim Burchett is filing a bill in congressman

00:48:05.240 to stop federal agencies from buying

00:48:07.680 or accessing the systems that track people.

00:48:10.480 Thomas Massey says he's going to file one to cut the federal dollars to departments that deploy them.

00:48:15.500 Fifty-three cities already walking away.

00:48:18.300 There is another response out there, and I have to tell you, I understand it.

00:48:23.320 But people are now going out and they're vandalizing these flock cameras.

00:48:27.900 That is really bad.

00:48:29.720 A man in New Mexico just violated the—he was arrested for taking out 13 of these flock cameras

00:48:38.760 and told the TV station when they got him,

00:48:41.260 I'd do it again, and I get the anger.

00:48:43.900 But a man with a crowbar doesn't change anything

00:48:46.160 that a purchase order can't undo by Friday.

00:48:49.940 You destroy them, you're only going to make the case

00:48:52.460 for flock cameras even bigger. 0.99

00:48:54.220 We got to get these hoodlums off of the streets, 0.99

00:48:56.580 and they'll just go buy another one and replace it, okay?

00:49:00.460 You have to do something the next vendor can't undo,

00:49:05.880 uninstall, replace.

00:49:07.840 and the windows closing.

00:49:09.880 So I'm going to tell you exactly,

00:49:11.040 if you're against these flat cameras,

00:49:12.360 and I am,

00:49:13.800 I'm going to tell you exactly what you need to do.

The Glenn Beck Program - July 29, 2026

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