The Glenn Beck Program - July 28, 2026


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00:00:00.000 we're saved mom donnie is starting grocery stores yeah no i'm willing to give them the benefit of
00:00:07.100 the doubt but i want something in exchange i want actual metrics that we can all measure and i i
00:00:13.160 because i believe it's going to fail now if it doesn't i'll be the first to admit it wow that
00:00:17.080 worked out and they're actually saving money but are they will they will it succeed i give you all
00:00:23.400 of the examples of all these grocery stores that have been tried all over the country they don't
00:00:26.700 they don't ever succeed. And what is it costing? What are the metrics? And will anyone ever be
00:00:31.900 held accountable? Also, Natalie Winters joins us to discuss the Chinese influence over American
00:00:38.260 journalists and metaglasses and the singularity, all on today's podcast.
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00:03:16.680 So remember a couple of weeks ago, the president gave a really, really stunning address to the nation, said things I've never heard before, that there were people that, you know, that the that foreign governments were infiltrating, not just our our voting system, but they were also using social media for propaganda.
00:03:40.340 OK, we knew that. But also that they were buying off journalists, mainstream journalists, and looking for those journalists that would continue to report even more negative stories on Donald Trump.
00:03:54.840 And nobody was talking about it. Listen to him say this.
00:03:57.980 The Chinese government sought to identify U.S. journalists who had reported negatively on the U.S. president
00:04:06.600 and pay them large sums of money to write more negative articles about him, as many as they could,
00:04:14.580 and they didn't care what they said.
00:04:16.920 The Chinese government wanted U.S. president to lose the next election,
00:04:21.160 and the reason they wanted me to lose is because they knew I was wise to them.
00:04:27.040 charged them billions and billions of dollars worth of tariffs
00:04:31.280 and built the strongest military anywhere in the world
00:04:34.760 I don't think I've ever seen a president
00:04:38.420 go through what he has gone through
00:04:40.620 or exposed what he was willing to expose
00:04:43.100 and the media did nothing
00:04:44.740 one reason might be
00:04:46.460 because some of them are on China's payroll
00:04:48.820 Natalie Winters
00:04:50.260 she is the co-host of Bannon's War Room
00:04:52.160 she's the White House correspondent there
00:04:55.040 and she says
00:04:56.800 She has dug up evidence and she can name names of people who are on China's payroll.
00:05:03.600 Natalie, welcome to the program.
00:05:06.380 Thank you so much for having me on.
00:05:08.620 How confident are you that you have real solid evidence of people being on the payroll?
00:05:17.120 And when I say being on the payroll, what does that mean?
00:05:22.240 Sure. Well, I am as confident in my heart that I know that the PRC is America's existential threat. Now, I think there's no secret discussion that we talk about when could things turn kinetic with the Chinese Communist Party.
00:05:36.680 But unfortunately, as we're learning today, something I think many of us have known for years, the information warfare has already started and the Chinese Communist Party runs a multibillion dollar apparatus, not just to take over newsrooms by them, but to cultivate people from within, to push stories that are beneficial or advantageous towards the Chinese Communist Party, but also kind of forward deploying these, you know, intellectual, I would call them pseudo intellectual assets who all of a sudden start saying things like, 0.72
00:06:05.780 well, President Trump's claims about Chinese election interference, well, they're fake.
00:06:10.440 Or President Trump is a candidate actually that we shouldn't like. So I want to walk people
00:06:14.420 through the story because I think the receipts matter here and are really important and actually
00:06:18.160 enrich the story. And we actually can name names. So there is an organization called the China
00:06:23.680 United States Exchange Foundation. Now, this is a group that is at the tip of the spear
00:06:28.560 of China's United Front Work Department. Now, the United Front Work Department is explicitly part
00:06:34.300 of the Chinese Communist Party. It's how they seek and really work to co-opt, co-opt and neutralize
00:06:40.900 is the exact term. American elites, Western elites, those in politics, those in media,
00:06:46.300 those in academia, kind of, you know, influencers of thought, at least maybe in the old guard.
00:06:51.160 And QCEF is run by a bunch of PRC, CCP apparatchiks who have ties, direct ties to the
00:06:57.420 regime. And they retained, now this has been going on for over nearly two decades, but back in the
00:07:02.860 early 2000s, they retained a bunch of Western lobbyists, various firms to connect them with
00:07:10.260 American journalists that they were seeking and really working to find those that they could get
00:07:15.700 preferential treatment from. And the point of this program was to get favorable coverage and
00:07:22.560 disseminate positive messages. What am I quoting? The Farrah documents. Now, the stories had a lot
00:07:28.700 of legs because within these foreign agent registration acts, you can see the way that
00:07:33.360 these lobbyists were working with journalists on behalf of an intermediary with QSEF to take them
00:07:39.100 either on free trips to China or have these private dinners, either with CCP officials or
00:07:44.900 people who are part of that United Front Work Department, which is just an espionage and
00:07:48.820 propaganda front for the Chinese Communist Party. Why this story is so explosive is because I
00:07:54.800 actually have the names of people and i'll rattle them off for you but okay hang on hang on hang on
00:08:00.400 before you do that before you do that answer this question yes i would expect that you know people
00:08:07.340 would say a trip paid for didn't doesn't mean it influenced me uh doesn't mean i gave anything in
00:08:13.980 exchange i went to learn their point of view or whatever um and lots of people who are pro israel
00:08:20.800 pro-Qatar, pro-Saudi Arabia. Countries do this all the time, and they'll pay for people's trips
00:08:27.820 over there. And that doesn't necessarily mean that you're bought and paid for. Before you
00:08:33.760 announce the names, what leads you to believe that these trips actually did buy them? Positive
00:08:40.940 coverage. Sure. First of all, the Chinese Communist Party is, I think, uniquely distinct
00:08:45.520 from some of those countries that you rattled off, right? First of all, their influence and
00:08:49.620 espionage apparatus is something that you can't just go over there and expect to not frankly end
00:08:54.680 up in some form of compromise or blackmail they're running basically intel ops on these journalists
00:08:59.280 so there's that component too but the explicit pay-for-play I mean it's just evidenced in the
00:09:04.480 reporting for example there's a sister group to QSEF it's called the committee of 100 it's a little
00:09:09.640 more U.S. based but I actually obtained I just published the story but a leaked document from
00:09:15.300 them. They unintentionally put it up on their website and it was an internal trip report. So
00:09:20.900 this was a report where they were talking about five journalists that had gone to China. They
00:09:25.580 were saying it was $60,000 a person that they were covering their expenses and they were literally
00:09:32.300 itemizing the articles that they got in return from these people after they came back, even
00:09:38.180 having some of these journalists give them direct commentary and quotes about how these trips,
00:09:43.080 you know, quote, changed their perspective of China. Now, Glenn, you get it better than anyone,
00:09:47.320 right? These laws about FARA disclosures and the financing, it's kind of like the COVID origins
00:09:52.520 game. They say, oh, well, because I didn't, you know, publish the check that I got or the wire
00:09:56.920 transfer, therefore you can't prove that I was paid by China. First of all, anybody, let alone
00:10:02.000 people who lecture us on how we're destroying democracy, who is so in bed with the Chinese
00:10:06.260 Communist Party, not some euphemistic friendship group, a communist influence group literally
00:10:11.460 designed to overtake the United States from within, there's nothing altruistic there. You
00:10:15.980 know what you're getting into. And when you can see some of the stories that these people publish,
00:10:20.300 which, by the way, it's not just that they're getting free airfare in a hotel. These are,
00:10:24.280 like I was saying, trips that are costing extensive amounts of money. They're going,
00:10:28.900 they're touring Huawei facilities, they're touring military bases. I mean, they're touring
00:10:32.740 sanctioned companies in the United States. But one trip, a participant, upon return,
00:10:39.360 She literally published an article, quote, China bashing is for losers. 0.87
00:10:42.920 You have another one praising everything that China has done on climate change. 0.84
00:10:47.040 One warned that, quote, decoupling from China would backfire.
00:10:50.140 A Washington Post editor literally published a story titled Team Trump should be careful what it wishes for on China.
00:10:56.220 They said that China doesn't currency manipulate.
00:10:58.840 TPP is great.
00:10:59.960 The scrutiny of Huawei is miscreased.
00:11:01.980 And this is a direct quote.
00:11:04.040 Americans should accept that large scale manufacturing will never return to the United States.
00:11:09.360 Wow. Wow. Okay. All right. You made that point. So give me the names.
00:11:15.180 Sure. So there's a lot. So bear with me, but you have Ezra Klein, the Vox co-founder and New York
00:11:21.180 Times columnist, Matthew Iglesias, the Vox co-founder, Ronald Brownstein, a CNN senior
00:11:26.720 political analyst and Atlantic senior editor, Bradford Plumer, a New York Times reporter,
00:11:31.140 Marjorie Miller, former AP vice president and editor, Steve Clemens, former editor at Large
00:11:35.660 of the Hill, David Rode, now an MSNOW correspondent, Jonathan Alter, an MSNBC commentator, David
00:11:41.200 Sweeney, a former NPR managing editor, how's that for NPR being communist, Daniel Gross,
00:11:46.340 former Yahoo Finance columnist, Marilyn Guy Wax, a former NPR senior editor, Kathleen
00:11:51.140 Devaney, former Newsweek and Wall Street Journal marketplace editor, Tom Olmstad, former U.S.
00:11:55.640 News and World Report correspondent, Steve Chapman, former Chicago Tribune columnist
00:12:00.080 and editorial writer, Bruce Stokes, former National Journal correspondent, Craig Gilbert,
00:12:04.460 former Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, Washington Bureau Chief, Tony Samarad, Salt Lake Tribune
00:12:09.240 Reporter, Sheikha Dalmia, Columnist for the Week, Jonathan Broder, Newsweek Senior Writer,
00:12:13.760 Christy Kemp, Chicago Tribune Associate Managing Editor, John Healy, LA Times Deputy Editorial
00:12:19.040 Page Editor, and Julian Peckett, former Foreign Affairs Reporter.
00:12:23.080 I don't mean to interrupt here.
00:12:24.880 Would it be simpler just to say who's not on this list?
00:12:28.320 and remember these people have lectured us for like over a decade that we're the ones destroying
00:12:34.920 democracy meanwhile they're literally collaborating with the foremost existential threat to democracy
00:12:39.640 at large but glenn here's the most important thing too these names were never disclosed
00:12:44.960 in the pharah filings i only got these names by sleuthing together old might i add deleted
00:12:50.660 frankly chinese language pamphlets from the chinese organizations themselves so these people
00:12:56.860 never really disclosed these trips. And what's so interesting, I find about the Chinese information
00:13:02.200 warfare space is back in 2010, they were more focused on shaping how Americans viewed China,
00:13:07.840 right? Joint partnerships are good. We should outsource our manufacturing. Now it's more about
00:13:12.980 attacking Trump, attacking people who are tough on China, shaping how Americans actually engage
00:13:18.940 with our foremost adversary. I think also what's going on with the data centers
00:13:26.260 is extraordinarily dangerous as well.
00:13:29.480 I mean, I don't mind if people in America
00:13:31.360 make up their mind that they're against data centers
00:13:33.320 as long as it's their mind that has been made up
00:13:36.100 and it is not due to influence from Chinese money
00:13:41.340 or Chinese propaganda.
00:13:43.000 And that's really, really hard.
00:13:44.560 It's also amazing to me,
00:13:46.020 there is so much talk about AIPAC,
00:13:47.940 which is FARA,
00:13:49.340 and how they've influenced.
00:13:51.640 And people who don't know,
00:13:52.400 you don't know how they're,
00:13:53.520 And, you know, you're pretty much disclosed on everything.
00:13:57.300 And nobody talks about the influence of China.
00:14:00.180 Nobody is saying, hey, what about the journalist?
00:14:03.940 And I watched this speech a couple of weeks ago, or was it last week?
00:14:08.560 And maybe it was just me.
00:14:11.060 But when I was watching it, I thought, I don't think I've ever heard a president say anything this important like this in my lifetime.
00:14:22.680 And then the next morning, it was business as usual. Everybody said there was nothing that he announced. There was no big deal. Was that the impression you had when you saw that?
00:14:31.140 Yeah, I mean, if people maybe just heard one speech from Xi Jinping, they would see that the PRC is at a people's war with us. And I think President Trump matched that intensity with what he was talking about.
00:14:40.980 But you really can see, I mean, China's unrestricted warfare on full display. And frankly, with that speech, you see why China hates President Trump so much, right? Unrestricted warfare, this idea of weaponizing information warfare, political warfare, legal warfare, in lieu of kinetic conflict, not because they don't want to go kinetic, they would just prefer they've seen, you know, I think our mishaps when it comes to extending maybe too far across the globe with actual troops, they would much prefer to just take over the information space.
00:15:07.640 And QSEF is one of dozens of united front groups that are actively working to undermine the United States.
00:15:14.980 And QSEF itself also runs these same trips, not just for journalists, but for congressmen, former congressmen, think tank types, the Center for American Progress, the one that basically staffed the entire Obama administration, congressional staffers.
00:15:29.500 You want to talk about the degrees to which they control and really run American politics and even, believe it or not, partnering with the Congressional Black Caucus Foundation to host a special delegation where they sent young black Americans over to China to basically get exposed to Chinese propaganda.
00:15:45.900 And they had testimonials from the students when they came back.
00:15:48.340 One of them literally was praising China as a, quote, amazing communist country that was superior to the United States.
00:15:54.500 Wow.
00:15:55.620 Natalie, thank you for the good work.
00:15:57.080 I appreciate it.
00:15:57.740 Stay in touch with us.
00:15:58.460 you have any more breaking news, just let us know. Thank you. Natalie Winters, Costa
00:16:02.040 Benin's War Room, and she has just written on her Substack
00:16:05.760 an article, here are the mainstream journalists on China's payroll.
00:16:10.500 NatalieGWinters.Substack.com
00:16:13.480 This is the best of the Glenn Beck
00:16:16.420 program. I'm going to start with this.
00:16:20.000 We all want a safety net. All of us want a safety net. We do not want
00:16:23.620 poor going, we don't want anybody starving on our streets. That's unreasonable
00:16:27.720 in America. Okay, so we're all there. Now, how do we do that the most effective way?
00:16:32.820 I'm going to give Mondani the benefit of the doubt, even though this has never,
00:16:36.860 ever worked, ever. But I want to give him the benefit of the doubt. But I want something in
00:16:41.380 return. I want, and I'm going to give it to you, I want a list of metrics that we all check.
00:16:50.980 And if it doesn't work, I want all the people that are for this to say what I will say if it works.
00:17:00.680 Congratulations, it worked.
00:17:02.060 That's amazing.
00:17:03.380 That's amazing.
00:17:04.220 Maybe we should consider doing this elsewhere.
00:17:06.800 I want the same thing in response.
00:17:10.180 If it doesn't work, and I think we demand this from everybody we know, if it doesn't work based on these metrics,
00:17:17.840 i want you to say wow it doesn't work and it hasn't worked in city after city after city
00:17:24.580 so let me give you the whole story here the city of new york has not opened a government grocery
00:17:30.440 store not one what happened this week in east new york was a press conference about a price
00:17:37.980 mamdani stood inside of food pantry distribution hub and announced that when the city's five
00:17:45.060 municipal grocery stores eventually open a core basket of goods is going to sell for 30 cents
00:17:50.780 below typical retail that's quite a number but let me show you how sketchy this whole thing was
00:17:56.760 he said we've announced we got a new uh price code and he held up a bunch of bananas and he's like
00:18:03.340 and look you can go to the website all you have to do is scan it and he was amazed he didn't read
00:18:08.260 what it said on his phone he just you can scan it and you can find out all about the price
00:18:13.860 he didn't even show it he just scanned it and then looked at it went and it works
00:18:18.660 he was amazed that the website worked okay quite an accomplishment okay so here's what he said
00:18:27.580 we're going to sell everything well we're going to sell these things 30 under market
00:18:33.360 all fresh produce all meat all seafood all milk eggs bread pasta rice beans butter yogurt and nuts
00:18:40.840 about 20 categories prices set once a month and locked in for the month same discount for
00:18:47.920 everybody no income test no application that brings up other questions we're going to get
00:18:54.120 into here in a minute but the city's economic development corporation projects the average
00:18:58.740 shopper is going to save 90 a month a thousand dollars a year cutting the total grocery bill
00:19:04.100 roughly by 15%. The first store is supposed to open at Hunts Point in the Bronx at the end of
00:19:11.380 2027 and the second at La Marqueta in East Harlem in 2029. All five, one per borough by the end of
00:19:21.480 his term. $70 million in the capital budget. Now they are projecting that the first store is going
00:19:30.120 to cost them around $30 million. The first store is going to cost them $30 million.
00:19:36.220 The average for a nice supermarket, not like the Kroger super stores are anywhere between
00:19:41.920 $30, $35, and $40 million. Now, this New York store, it's not going to be a Kroger super store,
00:19:50.280 I can guarantee you. So it's already almost the price of a Kroger super store, but it's not.
00:19:58.780 The average price of a medium-sized grocery store is between, is around $10 to $15 million.
00:20:07.400 So if you take the low end, it's three times the price already.
00:20:12.300 All right.
00:20:13.520 But why quibble over $15 million?
00:20:18.360 The city builds them.
00:20:19.920 The city owns the land.
00:20:21.000 The city charges no rent and collects no property tax.
00:20:24.560 Now, here's the part that you're going to get a private-public partnership.
00:20:28.200 A private operator hired through a request for proposals that the city issued on Monday runs the store under the city's pricing rules.
00:20:37.800 Now, there's not going to be a butcher counter.
00:20:39.840 There's not going to be a hot food bar.
00:20:41.680 There's no beer and there's no cigarettes.
00:20:43.940 Now, that's really important because I want to get to the math of this thing.
00:20:48.820 An American supermarket, how much do you think they make?
00:20:51.920 How much do you think they take out of every dollar?
00:20:54.000 every dollar they make, how much is profit?
00:20:57.900 I'll bet you the average person says 30, 40 cents.
00:21:01.860 30 or 40 cents, that's what they take.
00:21:04.280 That's what they keep.
00:21:05.180 No, it's 2 cents, 1.4 to 2.4 for every dollar.
00:21:10.460 So let's just split the difference.
00:21:12.960 It's 2 cents on every dollar.
00:21:16.660 Net profit is 1.7, I'm hearing you,
00:21:20.360 So between 1.7 and 2.1% in 2025.
00:21:26.640 Wow.
00:21:27.700 Wow.
00:21:28.280 So 70 to 75 cents of that dollar is the food itself.
00:21:33.240 Bought from the same wholesalers everybody else buys from.
00:21:36.880 Okay, well, there's your 30%.
00:21:38.240 He's going to save because no, no, no, no, no, no.
00:21:40.460 You just don't.
00:21:41.700 You'd have to go to the wholesaler and then you'd have to go through the boxes and pick out your food.
00:21:46.600 Okay, you can't do that.
00:21:47.780 $0.10 to $0.18 is payroll.
00:21:51.940 What's left of that covers refrigeration, electricity, insurance, spoilage, theft, and rent.
00:21:58.880 Okay, so when they're promising a 30% cheaper box of food, I hear what he's not promising.
00:22:08.340 He's not promising to take it out of profit.
00:22:11.280 He can't.
00:22:12.380 There is not 30% of profit in the building.
00:22:14.820 You could seize every dollar a grocer earns and sell the food at cost, and you wouldn't move the price more than 2%.
00:22:23.100 So where's the other 28% coming from?
00:22:27.000 Wow, rent.
00:22:28.300 Okay, well, that's two or three cents on the dollar.
00:22:31.080 Property tax, maybe one.
00:22:33.580 Free construction spread over the life of the building is worth a couple of cents more.
00:22:37.800 add every municipal advantage together generously and you found six to seven cents for every dollar
00:22:45.600 okay well that's still not 30 cents is it now let's run it backwards the mayor has promised
00:22:54.600 the operators workers the families the sustaining wage and benefits which means the labor is going
00:23:01.380 to be way above market not below so what are we taking out of those seven cents we just found
00:23:07.020 Are we taking three more cents?
00:23:09.380 Four?
00:23:10.460 Plus, the store, as I told you,
00:23:12.300 it's not going to have a butcher.
00:23:13.540 It's not going to have hot food.
00:23:14.900 It's not going to have beer.
00:23:15.960 It's not going to have cigarettes.
00:23:17.120 Those are the four highest margin things
00:23:19.900 a grocery store sells.
00:23:22.680 Prepared food carries 40% to 60% gross margin.
00:23:26.860 They want you.
00:23:27.640 That's why it's always up in the front.
00:23:29.480 That's why it smells so good.
00:23:30.480 They want you to buy that stuff
00:23:31.960 because that's where they can make money.
00:23:33.960 Produce and meat carry the thinnest.
00:23:36.800 So he's discounting the thin things by 30% and removing the fat things entirely.
00:23:44.140 If you wanted to make up for it, you would sell more hot food,
00:23:47.820 but you would sell it at normal prices because that's where you're going to make your money.
00:23:53.620 So where's the gap being filled with?
00:23:56.440 Where was that money coming from?
00:23:58.660 It's not an accusation, that's subtraction.
00:24:02.340 New York is buying groceries for people and calling it a store.
00:24:06.800 Okay. Now you have no border. You have no boundaries. Anyone can go into that store
00:24:14.360 and buy it for 30 cents cheaper. That's what he's saying. 30% cheaper. You can go in and buy
00:24:20.060 these 20 or 30 items. Okay. I'm a bodega and I'm operating right down the street. Heck,
00:24:28.860 I'm operating anywhere in New York.
00:24:32.800 What would stop me from going in and buying those pieces of groceries at 30 cents cheaper
00:24:39.800 and then going and selling them in my bodega for full price?
00:24:46.940 Heck, sell it for 15 cents off every dollar.
00:24:51.440 Sell it for 15% less.
00:24:53.100 You're undercutting all your competition everywhere else, and you're making 15%.
00:24:58.680 There's no law against this.
00:25:01.620 And by the way, anyone, anyone, there is no wage cap.
00:25:07.060 There's no, you can walk in.
00:25:08.480 I don't care if you're Bill Gates, you can walk in and buy your meat there.
00:25:13.540 Okay.
00:25:14.460 All right.
00:25:14.880 So now we're subsidizing apparently rich people too.
00:25:19.180 Okay.
00:25:20.400 Second claim worth checking here.
00:25:22.000 The campaign promised that these stores would buy and sell at wholesale prices by centralizing warehousing and distribution.
00:25:31.180 Five stores.
00:25:32.820 They have five stores, and they're going to centralize their warehouse and distribution.
00:25:38.940 Well, that is the way you save money.
00:25:40.960 But let's just put this into perspective.
00:25:43.320 You know the grocery store I told you that let's give them benefit of the doubt and say they make 2.4 cents of profit on every dollar?
00:25:50.960 That would be Kroger.
00:25:52.820 They have 2,700 grocery stores.
00:25:56.600 They have a massive distribution and warehouse.
00:25:59.340 They can buy in bulk.
00:26:01.260 Costco buys by the shipping container.
00:26:04.900 You got five stores.
00:26:06.240 How are you going to be Costco?
00:26:08.420 And then there is a Costco and an Aldi within a mile of this East Harlem site,
00:26:13.400 already beating the city's projected price on a good part of that basket.
00:26:17.560 Today, they're doing it without any subsidy at all.
00:26:22.240 Okay, now, here's the best part,
00:26:24.280 and I didn't find out until I started doing some research on this.
00:26:26.880 This is the best part of the grocery store.
00:26:28.540 So I'm going to tell you about that East Harlem store
00:26:32.640 that he announced in April.
00:26:36.560 You're listening to the best of Glenn Beck.
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00:26:42.680 So I read a story a couple of days ago about a reporter that was at a board game this last spring.
00:26:51.520 And she mentioned to her friends that she'd be moving into a new apartment in the fall.
00:26:56.680 This is such a fascinating story.
00:27:01.120 Now, I want you to imagine for yourself, you are playing a board game with friends.
00:27:07.440 God help you if it's Monopoly, because it'll never end.
00:27:09.320 and somebody like she was is wearing a bracelet but it's a bracelet that listens okay so she was
00:27:20.160 playing this board game and she said i am moving into a new apartment blah blah blah the next time
00:27:24.360 she opens her app it reminds her to book movers for october okay useful then it told her something
00:27:32.660 else it had concluded that the move was triggering anxiety about her stability and her sense of home
00:27:41.060 and it's it suggested that she photograph one beloved corner corner of her current place to
00:27:47.260 take with her and to watch her anxiety levels well she wasn't anxious about the move she hadn't said
00:27:53.220 that to her friends she hadn't said that to her husband because it wasn't true the device didn't
00:27:59.100 record a fact it manufactured one and then kept it as record now that reporter was from cnn who
00:28:08.440 spent several months it living inside the future of the industry that is building all of these
00:28:14.620 devices for us three devices meta's ray-ban glasses with the camera and the microphones built
00:28:19.960 in amazon's b pioneer wristband and plod's note pin s it's a recorder that you you know you just
00:28:27.520 clipped to your shirt you can keep it for your office work trips vacation dinner with friends
00:28:31.980 and it records everything that you say and then transcribes it and keeps it for record
00:28:36.320 so you're in lisbon she was standing in front of the monastery she didn't reach for her phone
00:28:45.640 she just looked up at the monastery and she took a picture she read the building
00:28:52.600 And it answered.
00:28:54.920 That's wonderful, I guess.
00:28:56.740 You know, every real bargain starts with something genuinely wonderful.
00:28:59.740 And it's great.
00:29:00.200 You can look at something and you can blink your eyes and it will take a picture.
00:29:03.760 However it works, okay?
00:29:05.300 But the question is, what are you trading for that?
00:29:09.700 Here's what you're trading.
00:29:11.060 You're trading consent.
00:29:12.500 And not just yours. 0.99
00:29:14.640 A woman who runs the internet ethics program at Santa Clara University,
00:29:18.480 she said in this article that i was reading that these devices are harder to spot than a phone so
00:29:24.120 the whole notion of consent is disintegrating okay your phone announces it announces itself
00:29:30.880 you hold it up and everybody in the room knows oh that person is taking a picture i can't tell
00:29:35.640 you how many people will say i'm like my family will be out dinner or something and they're like
00:29:39.020 dad turn the other way for a second why somebody's holding up their phone and you just know you know
00:29:45.980 Somebody's taking a picture when that happens.
00:29:48.060 Glasses and a shirt clip announce nothing.
00:29:51.760 Nothing.
00:29:53.380 Meta says that it has a capture light, and it blinks, and it has no off switch.
00:30:00.960 Fine.
00:30:01.860 But a light on your wrist or your collar does no good because nobody's looking at your wrist or your collar when they're talking to you.
00:30:08.700 They're looking at your face, which in the case of the glasses is where the camera is.
00:30:14.300 Now, let me give you a quick history
00:30:16.900 because this is inevitable that it's going to happen,
00:30:19.000 but you can slow it down
00:30:20.360 because this has happened kind of before.
00:30:23.880 1888.
00:30:25.480 When your picture was taken in 1888,
00:30:28.320 what did you have to do?
00:30:30.520 Hold still.
00:30:32.060 Don't move.
00:30:32.960 30 seconds.
00:30:35.280 Okay?
00:30:36.440 Sometimes it was a minute,
00:30:38.300 which meant to get a picture of you,
00:30:40.700 it required your cooperation,
00:30:42.180 which means nobody had to ever write this down it took your permission because they couldn't
00:30:48.640 take a quick snap if you walk in by or something then george eastman invents this little box
00:30:55.340 okay it's a little box camera you press the button eastman kodak said we'll do the rest
00:31:01.260 when that happened it was not publicly accepted i didn't know this i thought everybody would go
00:31:06.500 Oh, the camera, it's great.
00:31:07.740 Not accepted.
00:31:09.540 One of the reasons is two years before you could buy the Kodak camera,
00:31:14.140 you could buy one that was built to wear under your vest.
00:31:19.960 This is crazy.
00:31:21.760 The lens came out through a buttonhole,
00:31:24.340 and they shaped the lens to look like a button. 1.00
00:31:27.280 Of course, it was the Germans who came up with this. 0.88
00:31:30.420 15,000 of these sold, not to a government, 0.53
00:31:33.500 but to anybody with the money.
00:31:34.920 And they had a name for the category, and it was more honest than anything printed on any box today.
00:31:40.840 They were detective cameras, the world's first hidden cameras, before the box camera from Kodak.
00:31:47.600 That's where we went with these?
00:31:49.920 Yeah.
00:31:51.180 The camera that invented privacy because the country came apart was the box camera.
00:31:58.800 Okay?
00:31:59.240 When the Kodak came out, it didn't stop.
00:32:03.200 They banned it on the box camera.
00:32:05.640 It was banned at all beaches.
00:32:07.540 They banned it at the Washington Monument.
00:32:10.740 The papers had a name for people carrying cameras.
00:32:13.800 They were called Kodak fiends.
00:32:15.960 Can you imagine that?
00:32:16.860 In Britain, young men formed an association for the sole purpose of thrashing the cads with cameras.
00:32:24.140 That's a quote.
00:32:25.040 They hung around the photography stores or they went to the beaches where there were people that were at the shore photographing women coming out of the water.
00:32:35.660 Two years, two years, this went on.
00:32:38.300 That's all it took.
00:32:39.380 In 1890, two Boston lawyers, one of them was Louis Brandeis, who would end up on the Supreme Court of the United States, published an article called The Right to Privacy.
00:32:50.700 If you've ever heard anybody say, I've got a right to privacy.
00:32:54.120 No, you don't.
00:32:54.760 No, you don't. There is no right of privacy. There's nowhere in the Constitution do you have a right for privacy. It came from this article because of cameras. Okay, go look it up. I mean, it's crazy. The word privacy is not in the Constitution. They had to build it, and they built it because of the camera.
00:33:12.280 So they borrowed the best phrase in it from an old judge 136 years later.
00:33:20.000 Nobody's improved on it.
00:33:21.560 It's the right to be left alone.
00:33:24.980 But this isn't you coming out of the camera in your bathing suit.
00:33:28.260 This is much worse.
00:33:31.120 This is tech.
00:33:32.040 You are trading the right to be misunderstood in private now.
00:33:36.620 That bracelet decided a woman was anxious, but she wasn't.
00:33:40.500 and now that conclusion exists in a file somewhere in a company system and it will inform the next
00:33:48.260 inference and the one after that and it will store it so now she's anxiety written uh ridden she's
00:33:56.400 she's done all these things and she didn't even recognize her anxiety wait a minute i didn't say
00:34:00.520 that i didn't feel that but it's part of your record you're now trading you're off the record
00:34:05.820 self, every marriage, every friendship, every business that works, works partly on things
00:34:11.560 said badly, said in anger, said it half formed and then withdrawn.
00:34:17.140 You take that away and people don't become more honest.
00:34:20.460 What do they become?
00:34:21.360 They're not more honest.
00:34:22.220 You stop doing that.
00:34:23.260 You take away that right to be wrong.
00:34:25.260 What happens?
00:34:26.820 They become more careful in a room where everything is recorded and then held by a private company.
00:34:35.820 That's a room where nobody's saying anything out loud.
00:34:38.420 Nobody's thinking out loud.
00:34:39.600 Nobody's risking anything.
00:34:41.520 You're trading a defense.
00:34:44.280 A recording is evidence, and the evidence can get subpoenaed, and it may be false evidence.
00:34:51.260 I didn't say that.
00:34:52.640 I never felt anxious.
00:34:55.560 Every conversation you will ever have will be indexed and searchable, every conversation.
00:35:02.320 And it will be sitting on a server owned by a company with lawyers who work for the company.
00:35:08.080 You're trading your kids and your neighbors who signed nothing.
00:35:14.860 We're there now.
00:35:16.400 Did you see what Sam Altman said yesterday?
00:35:20.640 He believes we are now, now, at the singularity.
00:35:25.420 That's when everything changes.
00:35:27.300 That's when everything, you're pulled into this vortex.
00:35:30.580 You cannot reverse, and it's going to compound faster and faster and faster and faster.
00:35:36.660 And Sam Altman just said, we're there.
00:35:40.060 Elon Musk said we were there about six months ago.
00:35:42.660 If we're there today or tomorrow or in six months or last six months, it's here, gang.
00:35:49.060 And it's going to get harder from here.
00:35:51.000 Zuckerberg told investors that a person without AI glasses may be at a significant cognitive disadvantage against the people they work with
00:35:59.900 and compete against. Why? Why? You're at a disadvantage. This is what Ray Kurzweil said
00:36:09.240 about taking a chip. I said, I don't want a chip, Ray. He said, Glenn, everybody will have a chip.
00:36:13.820 I don't want the chip. But Glenn, you can take the chip and you'll be able to speak any language.
00:36:17.900 You'll be able to access who you're talking to, who's on the street. You'll know because
00:36:21.620 you will be one with the internet. And I said, I want to be just me. I don't want that.
00:36:26.120 For me to be one with the internet, it also requires that I not only can get uploads, but it will take downloads as well.
00:36:33.520 No, he said, Glenn, everyone will want it. 0.99
00:36:35.640 You will be, excuse the language, it will be as if you're retarded. 0.99
00:36:41.740 You won't be able to function because everyone will have it. 1.00
00:36:45.060 This is the product pitch from Zuckerberg.
00:36:49.180 That's the threat delivered as a forecast.
00:36:52.100 Wear it or fall behind.
00:36:53.660 right now declining is a preference a little awkward easily accommodate accommodated but a
00:37:03.060 preference two years from now when your team's meetings you know meeting has notes action items
00:37:09.340 performance reviews and they're all running off transcripts declining won't be a preference
00:37:14.020 anymore it's a problem it's you being difficult nobody will forbid you they'll just build the
00:37:21.440 office around the assumption and let the cost fall on the holdout. You. Also, OpenAI's president,
00:37:29.820 Sam Altman, said also this week, the keyboard and the mouse are out. Clicking and typing was a phase.
00:37:37.480 It was never what we wanted it to be. Read that as an engineer would. Clicking and typing is
00:37:44.780 is where you interface, where you decide what the machine gets,
00:37:49.880 clicking and typing.
00:37:52.180 If that's gone, if you type it, then it's there.
00:37:58.500 If you don't type it, the machine doesn't have it.
00:38:02.840 But that's not where we're going, is it?
00:38:06.340 What replaces it is a machine that takes everything and sorts it out afterwards.
00:38:10.920 That's not an upgrade in convenience.
00:38:12.720 that is a removal of the gate that's not good not good you know in 1890 that law that showed up late
00:38:23.420 and one only partly the tort that warren and brandeis proposed took decades to spread state
00:38:30.760 by state and by the time it arrived the camera had already changed us okay they said we had a
00:38:35.060 right to privacy we don't have a right to privacy the camera had already changed us etiquette bent
00:38:39.380 around the device as it always does but something else happened first and then it happened faster
00:38:45.220 than any court beach owners posted signs resorts said no newspapers named the behavior and shamed
00:38:52.140 it ordinary people decided out loud in public you know there are places you don't bring a camera
00:38:57.720 into and they decided it years before a judge agreed with them that's the piece we keep forgetting
00:39:03.580 that is available to us.
00:39:05.000 You don't have to wait for Congress.
00:39:07.940 You are allowed to say
00:39:09.120 at your own table,
00:39:10.920 not in my house, 0.97
00:39:12.500 you're allowed to say to a man,
00:39:14.220 take the glasses off,
00:39:15.640 put the phone down,
00:39:16.980 stop recording.
00:39:18.180 You're allowed to say,
00:39:19.340 you're allowed to be the person
00:39:20.480 who says, take that away.
00:39:23.560 You're going to say that
00:39:24.460 and it's going to be awkward.
00:39:26.440 But the awkwardness
00:39:27.540 is the whole mechanism.
00:39:29.320 That's the only thing
00:39:30.680 that has ever set a norm
00:39:31.940 before the law caught up.
00:39:33.300 The device is not the danger.
00:39:35.260 The device is a button.
00:39:37.160 The danger is a country full of people who will trade the right to be let alone for the ability to look at a monastery without reaching into their pocket.
00:39:45.620 That's the trade.
00:39:47.240 Make sure you know you're making a trade.