Best of The Program ｜ Guests： Bill O’Reilly, Gavin McInnes, & Megyn Kelly ｜ 10⧸23⧸20
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Bill O'Reilly, Gavin McGinnis, Megynkel and Glenn Beck join me to discuss the first Democratic Debates, including the first presidential debate between Joe Biden and Donald Trump. Also, we introduce the American Journey Center, a new in-person classroom and virtual learning center where you can learn history not only from the writings in their own handwriting and the original documents of our founders.
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It's Friday. What a jam-packed Friday. Great conversation with Gavin McGinnis, Bill O'Reilly,
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Megyn Kelly, and we go all through last night's debate. This is one you don't want to miss.
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Also, tomorrow night at mercuryone.org, monextchapter.com, my Facebook page, YouTube
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page, also on the Blaze TV, a mega special, Mercury One's next chapter. We have an update,
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an incredible update from the field where rescues are going on of slaves all over the world. We
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concentrate on the Middle East tomorrow night. We also are going to be announcing something that
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I think every American needs. We are introducing our American Journey Center, where we have
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classrooms set up for in-person class and also free virtual classes that you'll be able to take to
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learn history, not only from the experts, but from the writings in their own handwriting and the
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original documents of our founders. We announce that tomorrow on those websites. Make sure you
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join us tomorrow night at 8 p.m. Eastern Time, and you'll be able to find that again at my Facebook
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page, blazetv.com, or mercuryone.org. Here's the podcast.
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You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program.
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Walking the streets of New York in his disco boots, Mr. Bill O'Reilly. Hello, Bill. How are you?
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Just call me super fly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. How are things?
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Yeah, oh yeah. No, I know. I know. And you got another book out. What a surprise. Yeah, I know.
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He's actually got Killing Crazy Horse, and maybe, maybe I'll give you a couple of minutes to mention
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your new book, Killing Crazy Horse, which has been a New York Times bestseller now for
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God knows how long, and you can get it wherever books are sold. I might allow you to say that a
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little later. Very kind of you, Beck, but that's the, you know, that's your general disposition.
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Very generous, very kind. Yeah, so you seem to be kind of in a happy mood. Tell me about what
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happened with Donald Trump last night, what your take is, and was it enough, and is it soon enough?
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Well, Trump won the debate. He was more commanding, and he had a very self-assured fact-based
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presentation primarily. So there wasn't a lot of immature nonsense that we saw in the first debate.
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Biden held his own, though, and Biden was much better than he has been in recent memory in the
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sense that he was able to get his opinion across, and you knew what he was talking about. He faltered
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at the end when he got tired. You could see he was looking at his watch. You know, he's going,
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listen, do I get milk or not? I haven't been up this late since 1946. It was one of those things,
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and you know, you know, when you get tired, it's late, you get cracked. So Biden faltered a little
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bit at the end, but he held his own. But let's talk about Trump, because it was all about him
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last night in the sense that if he had not performed well, he would have lost the election.
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So he's put himself back into play in the sense that I don't believe any of this. There aren't
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any undecided voters. I'll believe any of that. He also, I think, made gains among African-Americans,
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because that was his strongest suit last night. He was good. You know, he said, look, this is what
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I've done. And then Biden does what Biden always does. You know, and for eight years, Biden and Obama
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didn't do a damn thing. And 47 years, 47 in the Senate.
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It's a different thing, though. Look, Biden and Obama had an opportunity to reshape the debate in
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this country on race, and they did not do it. So they didn't elevate. They didn't say, look,
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we got a problem here because there's a terrible education system in the poor neighborhoods.
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It's impacting on the children negatively, and they're growing up and they're committing
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more crimes proportionally than whites. That's what it's all about.
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Well, Bill, Bill, Bill, let me remind you what Joe Biden said. They had a Republican Congress.
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Oh, yeah. OK. So there wasn't even the debate. And I know this because I, on more than one
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occasion, spoke to the president off the record about this, because I was involved with the
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Brothers Keeper program. We can talk about that a little later on if you want. But I'm telling
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you the exact truth, that they weren't able to get the discussion into the public arena. And I don't
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even know how hard they tried. So he comes on. And of course, with his usual bombast, Donald Trump,
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the greatest president for blacks is Abraham Lincoln. I don't know if you really need that.
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Maybe you say since Martin Van Buren. You probably want to leave Lincoln out of it. However, he doesn't.
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Yeah. And then he goes on to list an impressive array of accomplishments that help African-Americans.
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Yeah. So he may have cleaved some votes off there. I mean, I was watching it with Ice Cube and we were
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both impressed. That's not true. So, no, you weren't with Ice Cube because I know you guys hang out all the
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time. And I invited him, but I don't know where he was last night and I really don't want to know.
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OK, so. So, Bill, what was the big takeaway last night? Was it that he is he's only banning fracking on
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federal land? Oh, that what a disaster that was. Yeah. And I am going to I am going to get rid of
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fossil fuels and and oil by 2035. So we've got 14 years at the end when he started in on that. I
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expected him to say and flush toilets. Forget it. You've got to go outside again. You know, it was
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really that could very well hurt him in Pennsylvania and Ohio and Texas. You know, he's going to win
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Texas anyway. Trump will. Be careful. Look, Beck, I'm telling you, Beck, you want to pull a little.
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No, I would not bet, but I wouldn't bet. I wouldn't bet either way on this election. I mean,
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I have no idea what's going on, but I will tell you, I just talked to somebody. In fact, let me read
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the email that I got last night and it was very, very positive. Glenn had extensive briefing on
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inside polling numbers from the field, extremely different from what most of the national media
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is showing. Based on the numbers right now, Trump is doing very good in the battleground states.
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Interestingly, interestingly, numbers currently show Texas is more of a problem than several of
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the battleground states. Democrats are crushing Republicans in the urban and suburban areas,
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but it looks like the rural areas are outperforming, which may make the difference in Texas.
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All right. I mean, I heard that Cruz was going to lose last time and that Beto O'Rourke was going
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to be the number. Look, you know. I know. I know. But Cruz did lose. Cruz won by how many? Five points?
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Two points. I mean, six points. I believe it was. I mean, I'm going to put everybody to rest.
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I'm calling Texas for Trump now. So just put it on that little board. Here you have.
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Now we're going to be banned by Twitter and Facebook. Google's going to send their police
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squad out. But, you know, it is going to be a close election. I do believe that. I think
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that last night in the debate, Trump helped himself more than Biden did. And that's always how you
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calibrate a winner. Always in a debate. Who helped themselves more? Trump did because he didn't come
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across as O'Fish. Word of the day, O'Fish. O-A-F-I-S-H. I eat O'Fish all the time. You don't have to
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spell it. You need a tutor and I will pick it up.
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Yeah. Oh, yeah. Look, we're living in a in a warp speed age. And between now and election
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day, you're going to have a lot more. How much money did Biden take from Ukraine? I mean,
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that story isn't going away. And I caution everybody on this story. I believe myself
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that Joe Biden is an old time Paul that enriched his family because of his public service. That's
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what I believe. And it is entirely possible that he enriched himself in the process.
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OK, I always think about Gerald Ford, a guy from Grand Rapids, Michigan, without a penny.
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And he retires to Palm Springs and living in a lavish mansion. How did that happen? Anyway,
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I believe that story, but I caution people about the details of it. This is a lot of stuff we
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haven't nailed down yet. So don't be running around. But that thing is in play. And, you know,
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people, they hear things. If there is more that comes forth that shows Biden as vice president and
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senator enriched himself and his family, that's going to be huge. So that's there. And Trump was
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pretty good last night getting that out, even though the debate moderator, who I thought did
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a pretty good job, Miss Welker, every time he tried to do it, she jumped in and diverted the
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question away. It was like Leslie Stahl when you saw the 60 Minutes interview, which I think
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everybody should watch the whole thing, not not the edited version on site. You know, Trump
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looked at her and he goes, well, are you kidding me? This is the biggest story, political story.
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And she goes, and it hasn't verified. We haven't verified it. For two and a half years,
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CBS News pounded the guy in a Russian collusion. It was not one single thing verified. And every
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night you did it. And now you wouldn't even discuss this Biden thing with Trump. I mean,
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Americans, some of them are stupid, Beck, but most of them aren't stupid. They get it.
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They see the fixes in. They're suspicious of Joe Biden. I mean, a good thing about Trump is that
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we know everything about Trump. All right. We know it. If you're in the United States of Trump,
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you know him. You're not going to be surprised in the next nine days. Biden, you might be.
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I think there's a couple of things here on this. I thought Donald Trump did a great job last night
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going. They spent forty six million dollars in three and three quarters years trying to discredit
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me, trying to dig up anything on me, the family, our business, et cetera. They got nothing. They got
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nothing. He said, give me a million bucks. I think I can find a lot on this guy.
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Listen, he made some excellent points. Donald Trump did. But you raise the question. Is it enough?
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And it isn't enough for the people who hate him. And there was one other thing. And he left a couple
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of opportunities on, you know, as I said last night, I just can't believe he didn't bring up when they
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would talk at the border. Look at Biden and say, oh, you want to explain to me why the American
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taxpayer should pay all the health care costs for undocumented aliens? That's a knockout blow.
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So rather than being on the defense, you bring stuff like that. I kept waiting for it. It never
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happened. And on the covid, which if Trump loses, it'll be because of covid. That's why. All he had
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to do was look into the camera and say, you know, in hindsight, I wish I had been more pro mask. I wish
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I had encouraged that a little bit more than I did. But we didn't know we were getting conflicted
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information. And the major things that I did saved a lot of lives. But he'll never make that kind of
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a concession. But anyway, going forward, which I think everybody wants to do now, Trump has a real
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chance to win. And the polls are bogus. We know that the polls I'm watching are Rasmussen and Trafalgar,
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both of which were right last time, four years ago. And they both show him, you know, and not in a
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great position, but not in a dire position. He could win. Fall is in the air. And for me, that means saying
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Sorry to wake you up. I know you probably had more drinking than we did in your coverage
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of the debate last night. Well, I think Biden attacked us and the joke was P-O-U-R. He was
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implying that we drink too much. And when someone excuses you of that, the first thing you want to
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do is have a drink. Right. I'm just a poor boy. Nobody loves me. Right. So we went to the pub and I
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was accosted by feminists at the pub. A very fat woman and a woman with a shaved head. And
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the left, the left, it's their right to, to interrogate you when they see a popular conservative
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in public. So I had to answer all these questions like the Spanish Inquisition. And when this happens,
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it'll probably happen to you too. You just say, show me a right wing riot. And I demanded she show
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me that. And she pulled up something on her phone about people demonstrating against COVID.
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And it ended the night, it ended the interrogation. And she just yelled, you're a Nazi on the way out
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of the pub. So Gavin, I have to ask you, um, because you started the Proud Boys kind of as a joke. I
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mean, you know, like, like you just did, you know, you, you, you over the top masculinity, uh, just to,
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just to really kind of hack people off. Right? Yes. Yeah. It's, it's, it's, it people say it
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started as a joke and then it went out of control. No, it started as a joke. It's still a joke. Yes.
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There's violence because there's violence. I mean, we're living in violence right now. That's the
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era we're in. I think rich upper middle-class whites don't see the violence in their face,
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but in Manhattan, if I do a talk, if, if it's Goldie doesn't talk, if Cassandra Fairbanks
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is walking with her kid, there's violence. So we're happy to fight them. No one else is.
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And that makes us violent. Uh, so, uh, the, the Proud Boys, if I'm not mistaken,
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you refuse to go to the, uh, unite the right rally, which is the one that everybody says,
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you know, Donald Trump, he said, there's good people on both sides. There were Nazis there,
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but you guys weren't there, weren't you? Were you? I expected a high five after Charlottesville.
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Cause I said, I don't like this Jason Kessler dude. He lied about being all right. This is
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smelling like a rat. They're calling it a statues demonstration, but I feel like it's going to be
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a Nazi thing. I was correct. I called it months in advance. I said, if you go to that thing,
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you're out of the Proud Boys, sorry, the poor boys. Um, and that makes me hungry. Like they said,
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no, there was a couple of guys there or something. And I didn't get my high five for predicting that
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it was a Nazi thing. I'm at the point now where I think Charlottesville was, was a fed operation.
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I think Jason Kessler was a fed. They just, it reeks of a setup and we spotted it yet. We're still
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blamed for it. I did Newsmax yesterday and I had to sit there like a bad boy with my
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handout and repeat. I'm not a white supremacist. I'm not a white nationalist. It's, it's this
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weird anti white humiliation we have to do. Um, so Gavin, when you hear Joe Biden talk about
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the one group, single out one group besides the Nazis and you weren't even there and you
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were warning against it. How's that make you feel? It makes me insane. And my wife's a liberal.
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She's lost all her friends. You know, she's got all these family problems because of this
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lie. This, this election, this, these past four years have been Orwellian. Everything
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up is down. And the fact that we're out there trying to promote, uh, you know, the first
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and second amendment and American values and being called Nazis for it is just, you got
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to laugh. You got to see the humor in it. We're living, we're living in the craziest time
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in history, but it's also the funniest time in history. Okay. I have to tell you that
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this is not something that I would ever wish on myself or anybody else, but if it happens,
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it's kind of cool to be singled out as a, as the, the mullahs in Iran using something you
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came up with as a joke and, and them using it to try, try to sway the election. I mean,
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that's, I mean, in some ways that's kind of, I wouldn't want it to happen to me or you honestly,
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but I mean, it's kind of cool that it did right. It is funny. It'll be fun to tell my grandchildren
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and someone in media, you want to have influence. So it is cool that we've come up in the past
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two, the only two presidential debates. That's, that's interesting, but what a clown world. And
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they're not sending their best, like sending an email from proud boys. It says, we're going to
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kill you if you don't vote for Trump. Obviously the FBI is going to trace those emails. Obviously
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you're going to get caught. Your son left a laptop at a repair place. Could you be more amateur at this?
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I think the, they're just, they're just spoiled brats. They're like monarchs. We're dealing with
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the, that weird gay King in the movie Braveheart. The weird, that's a, that's might be a little
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obscure, uh, you know, all these years later, but he's like the prince or something. Right. I don't,
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I don't remember, but strangely I do kind of have a recollection of that. Yeah. Um, so, uh, uh,
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Gavin, are you, are you voting for Donald Trump or did you vote for him last time?
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I back him a thousand percent. Uh, he's going to win in a landslide. The left will contest it.
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They will talk about mail-in ballots. They will contest it so much that, uh, come January 1st,
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he's going to have to use the Supreme court to say, finish counting your stupid fake ballots.
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We got to get to work here. And then they'll contest it for the next four years.
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You know, they're going to blame you and the proud boys for anything that happens violent in the
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streets. Yes. And isn't that amazing? It's been five months of writing. I count 32 deaths directly,
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not, not tangentially related to the riots, but actually in the rights, 32 deaths. Uh,
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it's been $3 billion worth of damage. The most in American history, 98 of the biggest hundred cities
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in America have experienced rioting. Every single state has had statues destroyed. And the news,
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including Fox news, by the way, is what if proud boys riot? What if they get mad? What?
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They're so scared of mythical riots. It's all this. What if militia groups get mad? Why don't you look
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out your window right now and look at the left wing groups that are burning the country to the
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ground? How is that not a problem? They're not mostly peaceful, Michelle.
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Well, Gavin, uh, I thank you for the, uh, the evidence on, uh, uh, how racist, uh, you really
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are when you talk about all the deaths that, uh, BLM, uh, has caused. We all know those were COVID
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deaths. Uh, yeah, those tests, by the way, those 32 deaths are mostly black and Hispanic and they're
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from COVID. Nope. Uh, thank you so much, Gavin. I appreciate it. Thanks for coming on, uh, the,
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uh, program and it's just gotta be surreal being you, uh, this week. I've been, I've been thinking
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about you a lot. Every time I hear about the poor boys, uh, I think I get, this has gotta be surreal.
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Gotta be a surreal world. Thank you so much, Gavin. Appreciate it.
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This is the best of the Glenn Beck program. And we really want to thank you for listening.
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A world renowned journalist, somebody who has interviewed just about every damn prime minister
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on the planet, uh, every famous person on the planet, time magazines, 100 most influential people
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in the world, Hollywood reporters, women in entertainment power, 100. Uh, she was on the
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cover of vanity fair, only the second news anchor in history to do that. She's also practiced law
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litigator for nine years, her memoir settled for more debuted at number one on the New York times.
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She is also moderated five presidential debates, and that's why I wanted to have her on now. She's
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also the host of a brand new podcast called the Megan Kelly show found wherever you get your
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podcast. Welcome to the program, friend of the program, Megan Kelly. Hi, Megan.
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Megan, Megan, are you there? Yeah, yeah. Sorry. I can hear you. Okay.
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Yeah. Thank you. Um, so I, I saw you rant a bit and I want to talk to you about the debate,
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but I want to start with the, the press. Have you ever seen anything like what the press is doing
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right now on, uh, 60 minutes, but also Joe Biden's scandal?
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No, it's disgusting. It's just, it's stomach turning, but it's just a continuation of what
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we've seen over the past couple of years. They are, their Trump derangement syndrome has blinded them
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to what they're doing to their own credibility. They, they can't get it back. It's too late.
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They've already sacrificed it. And now no one is listening to them other than the hard partisans
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for whom they craft their news. So the 60 minutes thing was really eyeopening, wasn't it?
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So let's go over that. Tell me what you, tell me your takeaways on that.
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So I, I'm like, uh, I watch 60 minutes. I'm like a mild fan of it. I, it's kind of stodgy and it's
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pretty old school, but you know, I grew up seeing it. So you got that sort of back. And I loved Mike
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Wallace. I thought he was the best ever. He's like, if you ask me who I want to be like, that's
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why I want to be like Mike Wallace. But anyway, Leslie Stahl, when I watched her on the unedited 37
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minutes, my main takeaway was the 60 minutes producers are so much better than we've been
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giving them credit for. Like they took this woman and I'm sorry to rip on her, but who sounded
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whiny and petulant and immature and biased and unprepared. And they somehow wind up slicing
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and dicing it to the point where we have this image of a professional, smooth, polished,
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tough interviewer. Um, but she like, I could give you 10 examples. One, one just off the top
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of my head is like, she was pressing him and why he doesn't make the people who go to the
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Donald Trump rallies wear masks. You're very powerful. Why, why don't you tell them? And you
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know, Trump, he never hits it right on the head. He's just kind of like, Oh, I tell him, I tell him.
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It's like, why didn't he look at her and say, Leslie, I'm not their daddy. They understand that
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masks and social distancing are what is recommended. I don't run through the crowds and say, and you,
00:26:18.080
and you, and you, that is not my job. They're grownups. They can make their own. And just her,
00:26:23.860
her whininess on the subject betrayed her bias and hatred for Trump. Yes. But it went down the
00:26:30.380
line on every question. She also claimed that Joe Biden's not in a scandal at all. There's no
00:26:35.640
scandal. What? I tweeted out and I really believe this. It was such a meta moment. It's like, so media
00:26:42.200
refuses to cover a scandal, uh, because it's going to hurt Joe Biden. And then when the actual other
00:26:48.380
candidate says, Hey, that guy's having a scandal. Media responds with what scandal? There's no scandal.
00:26:53.860
Right. There's no scandal because you refuse to cover it. Yeah. Like there's no, right. If you,
00:26:58.900
if you don't hear the bear in the woods or whatever, however the saying goes, there is
00:27:02.920
there, there. And now we've heard it from enough witnesses who were involved in it. And the DNI
00:27:07.800
saying, this is not Russian disinformation, that the press has run out of excuses to not try to cover
00:27:12.600
it. And the only obvious explanation for it all is the one that we knew from the beginning,
00:27:17.020
which is their bias toward Biden and against Trump.
00:27:19.460
So is the information, excuse me, the information that has come out, um, right now, how would you
00:27:27.320
have covered the laptop and the information? What, what do you think is a reasonable way to cover
00:27:35.200
Well, I think you try to track down the legally blind computer repair man. I just can't,
00:27:41.580
I can't really get past that part of the store. I don't understand how you wind up in that line of
00:27:44.920
work. But anyways, you know, I'm, I'm with you. Yeah. Right. Right. So anyway, um, you track him
00:27:51.200
down, you ask him questions, you know, that, that may or may not lend credibility to the story.
00:27:55.400
You do what Fox news did. And actually what I have done as well, which is try to get the, uh,
00:28:00.320
Hunter Biden signature on, you know, when he gave the laptop, which I've seen personally. And so as
00:28:06.340
some of the inquiring media like Fox, um, you try to take a look at the emails yourself. You go
00:28:12.800
through the chain of custody to figure out how you got the emails. And then understanding that
00:28:16.060
you're not going to get that laptop. You're not going to get the original source because the FBI
00:28:19.340
has it. You disclose that to your audience. And you say, look, this is what we did to try to
00:28:24.380
satisfy ourselves. This is a real story. There is this asterisk because no one's going to be able
00:28:28.660
to see the actual laptop and let the viewers decide whether they think this is credible or not
00:28:33.300
credible. But all the time, news organizations go to press with stories that they can't
00:28:38.700
completely know are 100% bulletproof. Hello, steel dossier, right? Everything for the last five
00:28:47.860
years, everything that they have run with. Let me, um, let me take you to the, uh, to the,
00:28:54.180
the statement from NPR. Did you happen to read that? Yeah. It's outrageous. It's completely outrageous.
00:29:00.880
It is, it is saying we know better than you do. We're not going to cover this because there's
00:29:07.940
not even a story here. Well, of course there's a story there. Even if it turned out that the story
00:29:13.660
was Rudy Giuliani made that laptop out of chewing gum and, uh, and foil wrappers, that's a story.
00:29:21.300
But for them to say there's no story, especially at this time, my question is,
00:29:26.360
did Donald Trump do enough? And, and, and, and how do you combat when half of the country is getting
00:29:36.680
their news and vast portions of what's really going on are just gone? How do you break through?
00:29:44.220
And did he do enough to at least incite some curiosity on, wait, what is he even talking about?
00:29:50.880
Well, first and foremost, NPR gets federal tax dollars. So it's just, it's really outrageous that
00:29:55.160
they, they should be so openly biased and show absolutely zero interest to actually investigate
00:30:00.240
major facts in a presidential race. Shame on them. But I do think this race is in large,
00:30:09.020
in large ways between Donald Trump and the media. And I think they completely declared against him.
00:30:15.280
And it's really hard for him to break through because I think a lot of independents, those are
00:30:19.780
the only persuadables. Maybe some working class Democrats are, they watch CNN thinking this is the
00:30:25.080
news. Like this is, I'm getting the news. They know what they watch MSNBC. They're getting left,
00:30:29.500
left wing bias. But I think there's still a hangover reputation for CNN that it might just be real news
00:30:35.740
instead of MSNBC under different call letters. And so if I were Trump, if I, you know, if I were advising
00:30:41.500
Trump, I would have said, Mr. President, before you go out there tonight, you have to assume they don't
00:30:46.160
know anything about this. People are living their lives. They're not obsessing about Hunter Biden.
00:30:50.200
Trust me. So if you want to make this point, you're going to have to, you're going to have to sort of
00:30:53.600
forgive the term, dumb it down so that people who aren't steeped in news can get it and can get it
00:30:58.740
easily. Like, let me tell you, members of the American public, this guy's as corrupt as they
00:31:03.940
come. He says he had no business dealings with his son, Hunter, who's deeply troubled. Well, he has.
00:31:09.580
And now we know because of a laptop that Hunter Biden gave to some repairman and never picked up
00:31:15.720
that Hunter Biden was cutting deals in Ukraine. He was trying to cut deals in China, some of which
00:31:20.960
looped Joe Biden in as a monetary participant, some of which looped him in as just the guy who
00:31:26.860
needed to do something so Hunter could get paid while Biden was vice president. Either way you
00:31:31.860
look at it, it's totally corrupt. And the media blackout of the story shows you, American people,
00:31:36.600
that it's you and me working against them. Well, he didn't do that. But that would have been very,
00:31:44.440
very, very good. But he didn't he didn't do that. You have done the complex stuff. You are you have
00:31:53.320
done five presidential debates. This, I think, was the best moderator yet of these debates. But can
00:32:02.020
you tell me, as I look, they were supposed to talk about foreign policy. But of course, nobody wants
00:32:06.380
to talk about foreign policy because what's going on in the Middle East, which is miraculous what's
00:32:10.720
happened in the Middle East. But as you look at that, it was COVID, which they covered ad nauseum,
00:32:17.840
the first debate and the second debate. There was no foreign policy and everything was really kind of
00:32:25.340
playing towards Biden's POV. Of course. So is that the moderator's responsibility?
00:32:34.240
Yes. I mean, I agree with you that she was the best so far. And I like Kristen Welker. I knew a little
00:32:39.260
when I worked at NBC and I think she's a stand up person. I think she managed the two candidates as
00:32:44.800
well as anyone could. Yeah. But I do think some of her left wing bias was reflected in the overwhelming
00:32:51.780
number of times she interrupted Trump instead of Biden. And in the topic selection, I mean, why wouldn't
00:32:57.460
we be talking about what's happening in the Middle East or Afghanistan? And instead, once again, back to
00:33:03.980
Black Lives Matter and race, I mean, this is like the the left is obsessed. They are obsessed with
00:33:10.480
pigmentation and genitalia. It's like everything is seen through the lens of like lady parts and
00:33:18.940
pigmentation. I'm sick of it. It's like we've covered this now. It's so many debates. I can't
00:33:23.040
believe she didn't ask him the you've refused to condemn. I know. I know. But she got around to,
00:33:28.080
you know, like you said, the stuff about Black Lives Matter. Again, not a question to Joe Biden about
00:33:31.840
where's his condemnation for Antipa, which actually is causing riots in the streets right now.
00:33:36.780
So it is frustrating to me as somebody who's more in the middle, the way the news media approaches.
00:33:42.760
Forget Donald Trump, he's controversial, but just Republicans in general. But I thought
00:33:46.900
understanding that the bias is baked in, she did about as well as you could expect from somebody
00:33:51.100
who's, you know, probably leaning over that way. Do you believe the polls?
00:33:54.460
Not really. Not really. I have to say I, in general, I do. And so I have a history of believing
00:34:03.700
them. But I think we learned through Trump last year that there's real reason to doubt them when
00:34:08.760
Donald Trump is involved. So what do you think? What do you think is going to happen?
00:34:12.300
Well, let me tell you something, Glenn. If you look at where Joe Biden is polling today,
00:34:16.100
versus where Hillary Clinton was polling on this exact same date,
00:34:19.780
four years ago, she was polling better than Joe Biden is in virtually every swing state,
00:34:27.820
virtually all of them versus Donald Trump. And she lost the race. So don't let anyone tell you
00:34:33.280
that just because Joe Biden is polling ahead, even in the swing states, he's got this thing locked up.
00:34:38.680
He doesn't. And I actually think there's even more reason this time around to doubt the polls than
00:34:43.460
the last time, because people have been more shamed than ever to say that they like Donald Trump.
00:34:50.600
People are getting kicked out of their sororities for saying that they're getting their hands slapped
00:34:54.300
on Twitter. Their companies are getting they're getting fired if they like a tweet that is controversial
00:34:59.660
about Black Lives Matter. Like our whole society has cracked down on freedom of opinion. And I think
00:35:05.540
they're more afraid than ever to say how they really feel when they go in that voting booth. It's between
00:35:09.860
them and their God. And if I had to put money on it right now, I would put money on Trump.
00:35:17.840
Last question, Megan, when you look at what is what's coming, it could go either way.
00:35:26.100
I tend to agree with you that it's going to go Trump's way. But we know that the left has planned.
00:35:33.500
I mean, they announced that they had 200 organizations already ready for protests if Donald Trump wins.
00:35:39.180
How is that going to come down? What is the press going to do if he wins?
00:35:45.960
I mean, I think, you know, the answer to that question, right there. It's going to be a calamity.
00:35:51.480
It's going to be, you know, it's going to be like Adolf Hitler. It was put into the Oval Office by an
00:35:56.860
American public that doesn't care at all about anybody in any minority group. And you're going
00:36:01.780
to see anchors openly shedding tears on election night. Whereas if Biden wins, Republicans will suck
00:36:06.400
it up and move on. I mean, that's just that's the way people are built in this country. We've seen it
00:36:10.860
happen enough times. Whoever wins, half the country will tune out from traditional media for the next
00:36:16.360
few months. And I actually believe based on my own history that they'll come to people like you,
00:36:21.240
like me, they'll come to podcasts where they can hear smart cultural discussions that aren't
00:36:26.100
necessarily all politics, either for soothing, for a soothing balm and an escape, or just to hear like
00:36:33.540
a smart take on what the country may be going through at that time. So I think it'll be good for
00:36:37.460
podcasters, you know, like, like me and like you. And I mean, you're more than a podcaster, but
00:36:41.420
we're all we all do the same. We all shoveling the same crap every day. I'd love to be a lot of
00:36:49.640
tears, a lot of tears, a lot of playing up of anything that's dramatic on television.
00:36:53.620
Megan, I appreciate you and your point of view and being on the program. I'd love to have you on
00:36:57.300
again, because you said something yesterday, you tweeted, it's fun being outside corporate media.
00:37:01.800
And I would love to unpack that with you. But I'm out of time this time. Hope to have you on again.
00:37:06.280
Thank you so much, Megan. You bet. She is the host of the Megan Kelly show now on podcast,
00:37:13.340
and you can find it wherever you get your podcasts.