The Glenn Beck Program - February 20, 2026


Best of the Program | Guests: Rep. Anna Paulina Luna & Axel Bouchon | 2⧸20⧸26


Episode Stats

Length

46 minutes

Words per Minute

170.76195

Word Count

7,897

Sentence Count

500

Misogynist Sentences

17

Hate Speech Sentences

12


Summary

Epstein has been charged with conspiracy to commit sex trafficking. Rep. Anna Paulina Luna has a theory that Epstein may have been a victim of a massive sex trafficking ring run by Prince Andrew. What is the truth about Epstein and why should we care?


Transcript

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00:00:16.580 Well, it's Friday, so what the hell?
00:00:19.280 Why not talk about aliens and little green men?
00:00:22.240 This story just will not go away.
00:00:24.020 Is it real?
00:00:25.320 I mean, the things that have happened this week
00:00:27.200 now lead us to a place to where the president says,
00:00:30.040 you know, I'm going to instruct the Pentagon
00:00:31.920 just to release all of the UFO files.
00:00:34.220 Is this real or is this a psyop
00:00:35.920 that we've been being played for a very long time?
00:00:38.700 Also, some really cool, cool news
00:00:41.740 from a neuroscientist who joins me on the show.
00:00:44.700 He tried an experiment putting a payphone in San Francisco
00:00:47.920 and one in Abilene, Texas.
00:00:49.880 The one in Abilene, Texas, you pick it up and it says,
00:00:52.200 talk to a Democrat.
00:00:54.480 And the one in San Francisco says, talk to a Republican.
00:00:58.000 You pick it up, the other side rings.
00:00:59.460 What did he find?
00:01:00.820 It's an amazing story.
00:01:02.780 Also, Representative Anna Paulina Luna on Epstein.
00:01:06.960 What is really going on?
00:01:08.620 What's out there?
00:01:09.520 And what should we be striving for?
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00:03:23.680 You're listening to
00:03:32.940 The Best of the Glenn Beck Program.
00:03:36.700 Welcome to the Glenn Beck Program.
00:03:38.620 You know, as I'm watching everything that's unfolding
00:03:40.580 with the Epstein files,
00:03:41.740 I just don't understand why people
00:03:43.520 are being investigated
00:03:45.220 and actually seemingly going to jail
00:03:47.520 for the first time in 400 years,
00:03:51.060 a royal has been arrested
00:03:52.600 in Prince Andrew.
00:03:54.240 He's not even, he's Andrew now.
00:03:57.540 And he is going to jail,
00:04:00.560 but not for anything that he might have done
00:04:02.980 with Epstein except trade secrets.
00:04:05.540 That's the thing that got him into trouble
00:04:07.280 was he was passing on English secrets
00:04:11.360 to Epstein,
00:04:12.400 which is a whole nother ball game entirely.
00:04:14.940 But I don't understand how we can say
00:04:18.340 that he was trafficking,
00:04:19.900 you know, women underage.
00:04:23.240 And yet there's no Johns going to jail.
00:04:25.420 There's no, we don't have any,
00:04:27.140 who is he trafficking him to?
00:04:28.820 Why don't we have any of this information?
00:04:31.860 There was a tweet that was sent out
00:04:33.600 by Representative Anna Paulina Luna.
00:04:35.800 And she said,
00:04:36.760 Susan Hamlin sent this email.
00:04:39.900 She took a plea deal
00:04:40.820 and it was given victim status
00:04:42.180 under previous DOJ.
00:04:43.360 DOJ should look into charges.
00:04:45.640 Possible human rights violations
00:04:47.440 were committed.
00:04:48.660 I say that based on other files
00:04:51.260 with her name on it,
00:04:52.480 these women don't get to hide
00:04:53.600 behind redactions.
00:04:54.800 There's so many victims,
00:04:56.220 none of which did what this woman did.
00:04:58.240 This needs to be reopened.
00:05:00.280 And she gives an email.
00:05:02.000 It just says,
00:05:02.520 thank you for a fun night.
00:05:03.680 Your littlest girl was a little naughty.
00:05:05.980 And she wrote it to Jeffrey Epstein.
00:05:07.840 Now, Anna is with us now
00:05:12.200 to explain what you might know
00:05:15.680 or why you would say that.
00:05:16.800 Because she, somebody,
00:05:18.280 the son actually made charges against her
00:05:22.580 and they had to apologize.
00:05:25.120 And I think they paid a pretty big price for it
00:05:27.840 because they libeled her.
00:05:30.680 Or so she apparently proved in court.
00:05:34.140 What do you know, Anna?
00:05:36.180 Who is this woman?
00:05:38.440 I don't want to get into anything
00:05:39.680 that's libel,
00:05:40.600 but what do you know?
00:05:42.460 Why would you say this?
00:05:44.460 I know that many,
00:05:45.840 and this is based on
00:05:46.860 what I've gone through
00:05:48.580 in some of the files.
00:05:49.580 I've spent about maybe six,
00:05:51.780 seven hours with the files directly
00:05:53.260 and plan on going back in to see more.
00:05:56.280 But from what I've gathered
00:05:57.740 and from what I've reviewed
00:05:59.100 after looking at an FBI co-conspirator document,
00:06:02.660 she was actually allegedly named
00:06:06.060 as a co-conspirator by the FBI.
00:06:08.540 Ultimately, that was during Epstein's second run-in
00:06:13.260 with law enforcement in New York.
00:06:15.280 And it wasn't just her.
00:06:16.700 It was a list of many other women as well,
00:06:19.840 one of which was Ghislaine Maxwell.
00:06:21.360 Yet Ghislaine Maxwell is the only one sitting in prison.
00:06:23.540 And I think when we're talking about
00:06:26.000 the crimes that were committed by Jeffrey Epstein,
00:06:28.140 well, he didn't just do it alone.
00:06:29.720 And plenty of the victims that were trafficked
00:06:32.940 didn't turn around and do some of the other things
00:06:35.900 that some of these women
00:06:36.800 who were listed as co-conspirators did.
00:06:39.220 And so I think that it's very interesting
00:06:40.940 because you're seeing a lot of these emails come out.
00:06:44.020 A lot of these emails specifically
00:06:45.620 are some of the more egregious ones,
00:06:47.720 whether it was the implications
00:06:50.140 of one that was written.
00:06:51.560 And also too, there's a number of other emails
00:06:53.240 where this woman continues to pop up.
00:06:56.080 There's also one where it's mocking a little girl
00:06:59.400 talking about how she's protected by Jesus
00:07:02.360 that was also sent by a woman
00:07:03.900 who is listed as a potential co-conspirator.
00:07:07.040 And then a number of other emails
00:07:08.840 that get into weird code talk.
00:07:10.660 I mean, you name it, it's there.
00:07:12.220 But from what I've been observing,
00:07:15.000 it appears that these women,
00:07:16.500 whether or not they were trying
00:07:18.540 to maybe replace Glenn Maxwell,
00:07:20.460 whatever it might've been,
00:07:21.700 they did engage in what I would say
00:07:24.840 is trafficking of 10, 11-year-olds,
00:07:28.680 minors for sure.
00:07:30.140 And it's not okay
00:07:31.540 because what ends up happening is,
00:07:33.340 you know, the American people want names,
00:07:35.860 they want justice.
00:07:36.480 To be clear, these charges
00:07:38.900 really did start under Bush administration 1.0.
00:07:42.940 And it does seem that there was a lapse
00:07:45.560 of justice for the victims
00:07:48.720 that were not engaged in these horrible acts
00:07:51.220 against other young women.
00:07:54.080 But also too, in addition that you have this question of,
00:07:56.920 okay, well, what was, what were they,
00:07:59.340 why were they given these plea deals
00:08:00.840 if they're listed in an FBI document as co-conspirators?
00:08:04.340 And I understand that some of these charges
00:08:06.360 might be now outside of the statute of limitation,
00:08:08.720 but I do think that the DOJ
00:08:10.120 should re-examine these plea deals
00:08:11.640 because although it wasn't
00:08:12.900 this current administration's DOJ that did this,
00:08:16.040 it definitely is now something
00:08:18.000 that I think the American people feel
00:08:19.720 that there needs to be justice for.
00:08:22.240 And then obviously too,
00:08:23.340 you have this aspect of,
00:08:24.740 you know, I see a lot of people saying,
00:08:26.460 okay, well, or they're assuming
00:08:27.680 that some of these emails were written by men.
00:08:29.500 But the fact is, is that from what I have seen,
00:08:32.120 a lot of them are written by women.
00:08:34.580 And it's just, it's crazy to think that that would,
00:08:37.760 yeah.
00:08:38.580 It's shocking how many women.
00:08:41.800 Mm-hmm.
00:08:43.600 Yeah.
00:08:44.400 It's, you know, I think people historically maybe think,
00:08:47.520 and it's just in our nature to think
00:08:49.040 that women might not commit, you know, evil acts.
00:08:52.700 But as you're seeing with this specifically,
00:08:55.220 one email sticks out to me, you know, point blank
00:08:57.820 in that I read they were basically trying to locate
00:09:01.240 a young girl's birth certificate in Russia
00:09:05.560 and they were bringing her to the United States,
00:09:08.280 I assume, on email traffic.
00:09:09.940 And in the same email thread,
00:09:11.240 it also talks about a Pornhub introduction.
00:09:13.880 And so the fact is, is that Jeffrey Epstein
00:09:16.320 did have these girls, you know,
00:09:18.200 from what I've gathered,
00:09:19.680 his preference was younger, very young girls.
00:09:23.280 But, you know, what he was doing is
00:09:26.020 he was definitely bringing the ones
00:09:27.560 that looked legal
00:09:29.460 and likely weren't around people
00:09:31.920 who were in positions of influence
00:09:34.280 and or politicians, et cetera.
00:09:36.980 I think, you know, in Prince Andrew's case,
00:09:39.540 I think that he has a lot of explaining to do.
00:09:42.460 And I do think also some people
00:09:44.760 were aware of what he was doing,
00:09:46.420 but then I also think that there were some people
00:09:48.100 that he kind of brought into his orbit
00:09:50.100 potentially with the intention of compromising them
00:09:54.300 and then exploiting that compromise material.
00:09:57.980 I mean, I saw the,
00:09:59.260 I saw a video of Donald Trump in 2015
00:10:02.120 saying, you want to know who,
00:10:04.380 you know, Prince Andrew is,
00:10:06.780 we'll look up his relationship with Epstein.
00:10:08.880 I mean, that's 2015.
00:10:10.300 Oh, yeah.
00:10:10.660 And he said at the time,
00:10:11.820 everybody knows it,
00:10:13.680 which, you know, I think is true.
00:10:15.260 I think all of these people
00:10:16.240 that run in these circles,
00:10:17.300 they knew, they knew.
00:10:19.680 So why are we not,
00:10:21.680 what happened to the names?
00:10:24.780 Why is this not going anywhere?
00:10:26.520 Why are we not seeing a bunch of people
00:10:28.820 being charged with anything?
00:10:32.700 Well, it's multifaceted, right?
00:10:34.960 So when we had our initial hearing
00:10:36.740 with some of these victims and the attorneys,
00:10:38.760 and to be clear,
00:10:40.380 not all of these victims engaged
00:10:42.440 in co-conspirator behavior,
00:10:44.400 nor did all of these victims
00:10:46.600 engage in trafficking younger girls, okay?
00:10:49.160 This was a select group of women
00:10:51.320 that even after,
00:10:53.040 let's say they were initially
00:10:54.140 one of Epstein's victims.
00:10:55.660 Now, when they became adults,
00:10:57.340 they then started getting paid.
00:10:59.080 They liked the lifestyle.
00:11:00.680 There are some emails talking about,
00:11:02.060 you know, 10 and 11 year olds.
00:11:04.100 If I go through all this stuff,
00:11:05.740 it would probably make you guys sick,
00:11:07.060 even just hearing this radio interview.
00:11:08.700 But the point is,
00:11:09.360 is that, you know,
00:11:10.600 when you're looking at,
00:11:12.200 well, where are the names, right?
00:11:13.980 Like we were promised by the victims
00:11:15.400 that they would give us a list of names
00:11:17.080 to be able to investigate.
00:11:20.360 And at the same time,
00:11:21.360 there's this massive lawsuit with Deutsche Bank.
00:11:23.760 And so what the attorney said to us
00:11:26.220 when we were actually in the meeting
00:11:28.980 with the speaker,
00:11:30.100 members of oversight,
00:11:31.400 the victims and the attorney,
00:11:32.740 is that from what I'd gathered,
00:11:35.000 they were getting phone calls from people
00:11:36.540 that were potentially exposed
00:11:38.440 and are looking to settle.
00:11:40.280 And when you settle,
00:11:41.940 you know, a lawsuit,
00:11:43.060 and I'm not saying that these victims
00:11:44.800 don't have right to financial damages
00:11:46.840 because of the fact that,
00:11:48.360 you know, they were exploited.
00:11:49.920 But then from what I gather,
00:11:51.660 there's also an NDA that goes with that.
00:11:54.020 So I don't necessarily know
00:11:55.520 that we will ever get the names
00:11:56.880 from the true victims that were trafficked.
00:11:59.100 But that's why I say
00:12:00.020 I have a deep invested interest
00:12:02.040 in at least urging and advising the DOJ
00:12:05.380 to look at these plea deals
00:12:07.000 because I do believe the women
00:12:08.360 that were given some of these plea deals
00:12:09.860 may have committed other acts.
00:12:11.840 Again, I will reference that email
00:12:13.280 where they were trafficking
00:12:14.200 a young girl in from Russia.
00:12:17.520 And then there's that Pornhub introduction
00:12:19.640 kind of correspondence.
00:12:22.240 But for that to be said,
00:12:24.280 you know, there's other things
00:12:25.300 that they can hit them with,
00:12:26.560 human rights violations, et cetera,
00:12:28.360 that don't operate
00:12:29.620 with the same statutes of limitations.
00:12:32.360 And so that's kind of
00:12:34.220 where we're at right now.
00:12:35.120 I think that that's the only way
00:12:36.240 that you're really going to be able
00:12:37.500 to figure out, okay, well,
00:12:39.500 who knew what?
00:12:40.460 Who is doing what?
00:12:41.120 And I would say that the co-conspirators
00:12:42.640 should not have been let off
00:12:44.080 and they should have not have
00:12:45.180 had their sentences dropped.
00:12:47.640 And I find it deeply disturbing
00:12:49.420 that of the entire list
00:12:50.740 of co-conspirators
00:12:51.520 that we all had access to
00:12:52.520 and we all saw,
00:12:54.120 they're all women.
00:12:55.180 But guess what?
00:12:55.860 The only one sitting in jail
00:12:56.800 is Galeen Maxwell.
00:12:58.340 I know.
00:13:00.120 I've got so many things
00:13:01.040 to talk to you
00:13:01.540 and only about three
00:13:02.200 or four minutes left.
00:13:03.720 I would love to have you back
00:13:05.200 and talk about the UFOs
00:13:06.580 that we now have
00:13:07.420 more information on,
00:13:08.600 which is,
00:13:08.980 it's just getting bizarre.
00:13:10.680 But we found out
00:13:12.460 the Supreme Court today
00:13:13.960 said that most
00:13:15.780 of the Trump tariffs
00:13:16.800 are,
00:13:17.840 they're overturning them
00:13:19.760 and he can't do that.
00:13:21.240 What are your thoughts on that?
00:13:23.920 I think Trump's reciprocal tariffs
00:13:26.040 have been the reason
00:13:26.860 why we've had a surplus.
00:13:28.060 And you guys remember
00:13:29.180 during the first shutdown
00:13:30.220 this year,
00:13:30.820 we were able,
00:13:32.860 or President Trump
00:13:33.520 was able to offset
00:13:34.660 Democrats cutting off funding
00:13:36.240 for the WIC program
00:13:37.640 known as Women,
00:13:38.280 Infant, and Children
00:13:39.000 given to lower income
00:13:40.480 American citizens
00:13:41.660 by using the balance
00:13:44.120 and the surplus
00:13:45.640 that he had
00:13:46.140 from the reciprocal tariffs
00:13:47.740 and then also the benefits
00:13:48.900 for military,
00:13:49.760 the 1776 check.
00:13:51.300 But it's really,
00:13:52.320 really stupid
00:13:53.440 economics for people
00:13:55.980 to think that
00:13:56.720 that wasn't helping
00:13:57.480 the American people
00:13:58.260 because it gave us
00:13:59.020 a massive negotiating tool,
00:14:00.580 especially with dropping
00:14:01.980 the cost of product.
00:14:02.960 You're actually seeing it
00:14:03.800 now impact the supermarkets
00:14:06.160 across the country.
00:14:07.560 And so I think,
00:14:08.360 you know,
00:14:08.760 some of my colleagues
00:14:10.020 are controlled
00:14:10.680 by their donors
00:14:11.440 and some of the donors
00:14:12.540 even were trying to call me
00:14:13.700 getting me to work
00:14:14.840 against the president
00:14:15.420 and I would not do it.
00:14:16.440 I said,
00:14:16.800 you don't understand
00:14:17.740 that this is actually
00:14:18.500 also part of the trade negotiations
00:14:20.000 and it's going to work out
00:14:21.060 and it did.
00:14:22.200 And so you're going to see
00:14:23.380 why people elected Trump
00:14:24.860 is they didn't want
00:14:25.500 any more of the D.C. policy
00:14:26.780 as normal.
00:14:27.720 And unfortunately,
00:14:28.760 in this instance,
00:14:29.420 they got it.
00:14:31.180 I had lots of people
00:14:32.380 call me and say,
00:14:33.180 can you talk to the president?
00:14:34.360 This is, you know,
00:14:35.360 and I'm like,
00:14:35.800 no, that's not my job.
00:14:37.040 I'm not going to talk
00:14:37.620 to the president about it.
00:14:38.600 That's your job.
00:14:39.460 You take care of that.
00:14:40.300 And I happen to believe
00:14:43.280 he was working on something
00:14:44.620 far bigger than anybody else
00:14:46.320 could even understand.
00:14:47.580 Yeah, and these people
00:14:48.420 are worried about,
00:14:49.440 you know,
00:14:49.920 how it's affecting
00:14:51.100 their business
00:14:51.660 in the short term,
00:14:52.520 not looking at the long term,
00:14:53.640 how much it was actually
00:14:54.720 going to impact them
00:14:55.500 for the better.
00:14:56.680 And unfortunately,
00:14:57.620 a lot of people
00:14:58.420 are very coupled
00:14:59.240 with China
00:14:59.920 and they will only want
00:15:01.560 to do their trade
00:15:02.240 with China
00:15:02.660 and that's part
00:15:03.380 of the problem as well.
00:15:04.400 And we can probably
00:15:05.060 do a whole nother
00:15:05.760 10 segments on China alone.
00:15:08.560 But the whole issue
00:15:09.760 that we have now
00:15:10.520 is that we have
00:15:11.080 a slim majority
00:15:11.760 and a lot of these
00:15:12.680 frontline members
00:15:13.400 are thinking that
00:15:14.680 this will hit them
00:15:15.360 in the midterms.
00:15:16.760 But as you're seeing,
00:15:17.960 it's actually benefiting
00:15:18.980 our country.
00:15:20.360 And, you know,
00:15:21.140 you're going to see this thing
00:15:21.880 with the favorite nation's pricing,
00:15:23.680 especially there is a group
00:15:25.040 of conservative organizations,
00:15:26.480 which I was surprised at
00:15:27.340 saying that President Trump
00:15:28.240 was basically embracing
00:15:29.220 socialist policies
00:15:30.100 or something along those lines.
00:15:31.480 And that's completely not true
00:15:32.840 and such a terrible perspective
00:15:34.540 to take
00:15:34.960 because, you know,
00:15:35.560 these same groups
00:15:36.220 and same politicians
00:15:37.240 are also owned
00:15:38.080 by pharmaceutical.
00:15:39.420 And so, yeah,
00:15:40.200 we have an uphill battle,
00:15:41.180 but, like,
00:15:41.740 you have to get in the fight
00:15:42.740 and you can't just,
00:15:43.760 you know,
00:15:44.080 it's one step back,
00:15:45.680 but we'll take
00:15:46.100 two steps forward, so.
00:15:47.760 Okay, I've got 90 seconds left.
00:15:49.660 Tell me, what,
00:15:50.480 are we going to war?
00:15:53.500 I have not heard murmur of that.
00:15:55.920 I also know, though,
00:15:57.760 that President Trump
00:15:58.960 wants there to be
00:16:00.100 a negotiation
00:16:00.940 with the government of Iran.
00:16:03.360 And so,
00:16:04.100 I think that they should listen
00:16:05.800 and I think that they take
00:16:07.260 President Trump very seriously,
00:16:08.780 so I am hoping
00:16:09.480 that we do not,
00:16:10.920 but also I'm not a part
00:16:12.280 of those discussions
00:16:14.060 in the situation room,
00:16:15.140 so I don't want to speculate,
00:16:16.720 but I'm hoping that we don't.
00:16:18.880 I'm thinking that we don't.
00:16:19.760 Does he believe,
00:16:20.880 so am I.
00:16:21.360 Do you believe he needs
00:16:23.020 an act of war from Congress
00:16:24.240 for something like this?
00:16:25.180 You know,
00:16:28.140 Iran,
00:16:28.940 on a few occasions,
00:16:31.040 threatened to assassinate
00:16:33.020 the president,
00:16:34.400 and to my understanding,
00:16:36.840 there were some interesting things
00:16:38.300 that may have happened
00:16:39.260 leading up to his election,
00:16:41.100 et cetera.
00:16:42.080 Yeah.
00:16:42.560 I think that in itself
00:16:44.060 gives him
00:16:45.500 unilateral authority.
00:16:47.260 However,
00:16:48.240 I am always going to
00:16:50.080 err on the side of caution,
00:16:51.240 especially when it comes
00:16:52.140 to foreign conflict,
00:16:53.820 and caution against intervention
00:16:55.920 wherever I can.
00:16:58.060 However,
00:16:58.460 in this instance,
00:16:59.240 I do not know
00:16:59.960 that we will get to that point
00:17:01.060 because,
00:17:01.760 again,
00:17:02.140 negotiating,
00:17:03.020 negotiating tactics.
00:17:05.360 Yeah.
00:17:06.320 Anna Paulina Luna,
00:17:07.740 always good to talk to you.
00:17:08.620 Thank you,
00:17:08.940 Congresswoman.
00:17:09.440 Appreciate it.
00:17:10.440 Representing the great state
00:17:11.420 of Florida.
00:17:13.180 You bet.
00:17:13.440 Let me tell you
00:17:15.840 how pain usually works.
00:17:17.240 It doesn't arrive
00:17:18.000 with,
00:17:18.460 you know,
00:17:18.800 any kind of
00:17:19.540 dramatic entrance.
00:17:21.460 It doesn't knock you,
00:17:22.580 you know,
00:17:23.100 over all at once.
00:17:23.920 It starts small.
00:17:24.920 You get a little stiffness
00:17:26.060 in the morning,
00:17:26.920 you know,
00:17:27.420 tightness in your back
00:17:28.260 after sitting too long,
00:17:29.260 knee that complains
00:17:30.000 more than it used to,
00:17:30.820 and before you know it,
00:17:31.620 you've adjusted your life
00:17:32.700 around all of those things.
00:17:33.780 You park closer,
00:17:34.540 you take the stairs
00:17:35.400 more carefully,
00:17:36.520 you stop doing certain things,
00:17:38.140 you know,
00:17:38.460 not because you want to,
00:17:39.740 but because it's just
00:17:40.440 not worth the aching afterwards.
00:17:41.900 That's not living
00:17:42.580 your life fully.
00:17:44.200 Relief Factor
00:17:44.720 was developed by doctors
00:17:45.780 to support your body's
00:17:47.060 natural response
00:17:48.060 to inflammation,
00:17:48.820 which means
00:17:49.400 you can change your life
00:17:51.900 by getting to the root
00:17:53.000 of that daily discomfort.
00:17:54.740 Inflammation
00:17:55.180 is about dressing the problems
00:17:57.060 at the source,
00:17:58.820 not masking them.
00:18:00.020 Over a million people
00:18:01.000 have tried Relief Factor.
00:18:02.000 Two-thirds of them
00:18:02.700 have gone on
00:18:03.220 to take it more
00:18:03.960 month after month.
00:18:04.780 I'm one of them,
00:18:05.640 so you don't have to
00:18:06.560 rearrange your schedule
00:18:07.980 or your life around pain.
00:18:10.240 You know,
00:18:10.500 if you're dealing
00:18:10.980 with daily pain,
00:18:11.760 would you just try this?
00:18:12.700 Launch your three-week
00:18:13.600 quick start right now.
00:18:14.620 Just try it for three weeks.
00:18:15.640 If it's not working
00:18:16.180 for you in three weeks,
00:18:16.920 it's not going to need
00:18:17.500 to stop taking it.
00:18:18.680 But again,
00:18:19.060 like I said,
00:18:19.480 three-quarters of the people
00:18:20.320 go on to take it
00:18:20.980 month after month.
00:18:22.080 Do it now.
00:18:23.540 Take the three-week
00:18:24.200 quick start.
00:18:24.600 Let me just take you
00:18:37.620 to the beginning
00:18:38.560 of the week.
00:18:39.980 The beginning of the week,
00:18:41.980 Barack Obama
00:18:42.780 is on a podcast
00:18:44.760 and he's asked,
00:18:47.480 are aliens real?
00:18:49.320 And he says,
00:18:50.420 they're real,
00:18:51.400 but I haven't seen them
00:18:53.100 and they're not being kept
00:18:54.320 in, what is it,
00:18:55.260 Area 51.
00:18:56.940 Okay.
00:18:58.560 Everybody goes crazy.
00:19:00.200 What is Obama doing?
00:19:01.980 Blah, blah, blah.
00:19:02.780 Then Laura Trump,
00:19:04.820 the president's daughter,
00:19:06.480 comes out
00:19:06.940 and she says,
00:19:08.600 what was it exactly?
00:19:10.220 My dad has a speech
00:19:11.700 ready to go, right?
00:19:13.860 To talk about aliens.
00:19:16.020 You're like,
00:19:16.420 wait,
00:19:17.100 what,
00:19:17.580 what,
00:19:18.060 what is,
00:19:18.780 what is happening here?
00:19:20.880 Then,
00:19:21.540 after that,
00:19:23.260 you have
00:19:24.000 the president
00:19:24.960 coming out
00:19:25.740 yesterday
00:19:26.300 and he says
00:19:27.800 he's going to direct
00:19:28.580 Hegseth
00:19:29.020 to release
00:19:29.600 all government
00:19:30.500 UFO files.
00:19:32.480 Okay.
00:19:33.120 So let's listen to that.
00:19:34.380 Can we listen to that?
00:19:35.020 I think it's cut seven.
00:19:36.840 Something that got
00:19:37.440 a lot of attention
00:19:38.060 this week,
00:19:38.740 Barack Obama said,
00:19:40.520 that aliens
00:19:41.380 are real.
00:19:43.040 Have you seen
00:19:43.720 any evidence
00:19:44.420 of non-human
00:19:45.720 visitors to Earth?
00:19:47.160 Well,
00:19:47.280 he gave classified
00:19:48.040 information.
00:19:48.860 He's not supposed
00:19:49.440 to be doing that.
00:19:50.880 So aliens are real?
00:19:51.960 Well,
00:19:52.140 I don't know
00:19:52.440 if they're real or not.
00:19:53.200 I can tell you
00:19:53.680 he gave classified
00:19:54.520 information.
00:19:55.360 He's not supposed
00:19:56.000 to be doing that.
00:19:56.920 He made a big mistake.
00:19:59.440 He took it out
00:19:59.940 of classified information.
00:20:01.740 No,
00:20:02.000 I don't have an opinion
00:20:03.280 on it.
00:20:03.680 I never talk about it.
00:20:05.160 A lot of people do.
00:20:06.500 A lot of people believe it.
00:20:08.820 Do you believe it,
00:20:09.660 Peter?
00:20:10.180 Well,
00:20:10.680 the president
00:20:11.240 can declassify
00:20:12.260 anything that he wants to.
00:20:13.440 So if you want
00:20:13.940 to make an announcement.
00:20:14.980 I may get him
00:20:15.540 out of trouble
00:20:15.980 by declassifying.
00:20:17.020 We know illegal aliens,
00:20:18.160 really.
00:20:18.680 Yeah,
00:20:19.040 illegal.
00:20:19.720 Only illegals.
00:20:21.800 Wait,
00:20:22.280 wait,
00:20:22.620 wait,
00:20:22.960 wait,
00:20:23.320 wait.
00:20:23.500 This is crazy.
00:20:25.780 You wouldn't be
00:20:27.220 breaking
00:20:27.880 the classified
00:20:29.400 information rule
00:20:30.640 if you were saying
00:20:32.140 they didn't exist
00:20:33.320 and they didn't exist.
00:20:34.280 That's not classified
00:20:35.080 information.
00:20:35.440 Why would you
00:20:36.140 classify
00:20:36.760 that they didn't
00:20:38.120 exist?
00:20:39.220 Okay.
00:20:40.820 So he
00:20:42.720 violated classified
00:20:44.960 information.
00:20:46.140 I don't know
00:20:46.780 what that means.
00:20:47.580 And so then he says,
00:20:48.420 yeah,
00:20:49.120 I just might release
00:20:50.200 all of the government
00:20:50.920 files.
00:20:51.220 Now he says he might
00:20:52.040 do a lot of things
00:20:52.980 on things like this
00:20:54.760 and,
00:20:55.600 you know,
00:20:55.760 who knows,
00:20:56.560 but let me just
00:20:59.180 take you back
00:20:59.880 a couple of weeks,
00:21:00.820 shall I?
00:21:02.220 There was a story
00:21:03.280 in the New York
00:21:03.980 Post and I don't
00:21:05.100 even know,
00:21:05.680 it was in our
00:21:06.320 show prep and I
00:21:07.080 don't even know
00:21:07.600 if we got to it.
00:21:09.480 But I thought it
00:21:10.820 was important enough
00:21:11.680 to include it in
00:21:12.500 our show prep at
00:21:13.240 the time so you
00:21:14.100 could read it.
00:21:15.620 The bank,
00:21:16.420 this is,
00:21:16.900 this came out
00:21:17.980 January 24th.
00:21:21.040 The Bank of
00:21:21.860 England has been
00:21:23.060 advised to create
00:21:24.160 a plan for the
00:21:25.440 inevitable
00:21:26.060 financial chaos
00:21:28.380 that will result
00:21:29.980 if and when
00:21:31.080 world governments
00:21:32.220 disclose the
00:21:33.380 existence of
00:21:34.500 aliens.
00:21:36.020 Former senior
00:21:37.040 financial security
00:21:38.540 analyst Helen
00:21:39.760 McCraw sent a
00:21:41.240 letter to the
00:21:41.760 UK Central Bank
00:21:42.960 urging the
00:21:43.620 institution to
00:21:44.460 prepare for the
00:21:45.300 economic impact
00:21:46.620 of someone
00:21:49.240 disclosing the
00:21:50.280 existence of
00:21:51.040 aliens.
00:21:51.920 If such a
00:21:52.860 disclosure should
00:21:53.660 come from the
00:21:54.240 White House,
00:21:54.900 Cambridge educated
00:21:55.660 McCraw,
00:21:56.620 projected in her
00:21:57.620 letter,
00:21:58.160 the revelation
00:21:58.680 will send shock
00:21:59.640 waves to
00:21:59.960 financial markets
00:22:01.180 and the banking
00:22:01.960 system and
00:22:03.080 inspire general
00:22:04.200 unrest among
00:22:05.580 earthlings.
00:22:08.080 I don't think,
00:22:09.640 I mean,
00:22:10.460 you're going to
00:22:11.880 go march out in
00:22:12.620 the streets if
00:22:13.260 you find out that
00:22:13.940 earthlings, I
00:22:14.720 mean that,
00:22:15.020 that aliens are
00:22:16.400 real.
00:22:16.980 I'm not,
00:22:17.920 I might actually
00:22:19.420 stay in my house
00:22:20.160 a little bit more
00:22:21.080 than go out into
00:22:22.000 the streets.
00:22:22.660 in the documentary
00:22:25.240 Age of Disclosure,
00:22:27.160 physicist UFO
00:22:28.000 researcher revealed
00:22:29.640 that George H.W.
00:22:30.620 Bush administration
00:22:31.300 convened experts in
00:22:32.240 the alien field in
00:22:33.120 the early 2000s,
00:22:34.020 tasked him with
00:22:34.460 figuring out the
00:22:35.420 positives and
00:22:36.100 negatives of
00:22:36.900 revealing that
00:22:37.520 mankind is not
00:22:38.480 alone in the
00:22:39.160 universe.
00:22:39.660 The group weighed
00:22:40.580 the impact on 60
00:22:41.640 different aspects of
00:22:42.600 human culture,
00:22:43.200 including religion
00:22:43.880 and the stock
00:22:44.780 market, and
00:22:45.220 determined the
00:22:45.740 negative fallout
00:22:46.420 of public
00:22:46.800 disclosure outweighed
00:22:48.060 the benefits for
00:22:48.880 population at large.
00:22:49.940 Are we really
00:22:55.400 that, are we
00:22:56.420 really that
00:22:56.880 fragile?
00:23:00.500 Jason, would you
00:23:01.400 weigh in on this?
00:23:02.760 Do you really
00:23:03.820 think we're that
00:23:04.760 fragile on this?
00:23:06.220 That we would,
00:23:08.980 we would fall
00:23:10.420 apart?
00:23:11.000 I mean, my faith
00:23:11.940 is not so fragile
00:23:13.720 that I find out
00:23:15.380 that there's, you
00:23:15.960 know, aliens that
00:23:17.180 I'm going to, I'm
00:23:18.580 going to lose my
00:23:19.460 faith.
00:23:19.940 And stop going
00:23:20.580 to church?
00:23:21.060 That wouldn't
00:23:21.420 make any sense
00:23:22.140 at all to me.
00:23:24.000 I'm going to pull
00:23:24.660 my money out of
00:23:25.260 the stock market
00:23:26.000 because we have
00:23:27.680 evidence that
00:23:28.340 aliens are real?
00:23:29.620 What sense does
00:23:30.580 that make?
00:23:31.840 I think there's a
00:23:32.720 couple of different
00:23:33.400 things.
00:23:34.100 Like, did you ever
00:23:34.660 see that movie
00:23:35.300 Contact with Jodie
00:23:36.280 Foster back in,
00:23:37.420 like, the early
00:23:37.800 90s?
00:23:38.480 Yes, loved it.
00:23:39.640 It was really, it
00:23:40.300 was really good.
00:23:41.140 And I don't know
00:23:42.000 if you remember,
00:23:42.520 there were, like,
00:23:43.460 fringe, you know,
00:23:44.980 religious groups
00:23:45.680 that were coming
00:23:46.260 out, like, in the
00:23:46.820 movie.
00:23:47.200 I thought that was
00:23:47.680 kind of very, I
00:23:48.640 don't know, similar
00:23:49.760 to how it would
00:23:50.460 be today.
00:23:50.820 But I think the
00:23:51.320 biggest thing, the
00:23:52.420 big people that
00:23:53.620 are within the
00:23:55.460 disclosure movement
00:23:56.480 or were within the
00:23:58.060 entire thing, you
00:23:58.700 see these on some
00:23:59.880 of the documentaries,
00:24:00.660 some of the guys
00:24:01.100 that used to be part
00:24:01.820 of the program.
00:24:02.900 There was this one
00:24:03.580 guy that said the
00:24:05.060 biggest worry was
00:24:06.620 that if they come
00:24:07.220 out and confirm
00:24:08.100 everything now was
00:24:09.540 economic.
00:24:10.080 economic, and he
00:24:11.720 went further into
00:24:12.620 it, and he said,
00:24:13.300 well, what happens
00:24:14.660 when a lot of
00:24:15.480 these competing
00:24:16.120 companies, they
00:24:17.380 suddenly found out
00:24:18.600 that some of the
00:24:19.540 technology was based
00:24:20.480 off of recovered
00:24:21.320 craft, and it was
00:24:23.040 lent or given over
00:24:24.960 to, let's just say
00:24:25.840 Comcast.
00:24:26.680 Let's just throw
00:24:27.100 that out there as
00:24:27.560 an example.
00:24:28.800 But all the other
00:24:29.780 telecommunication
00:24:30.460 companies.
00:24:33.040 I mean, come on,
00:24:33.900 man.
00:24:34.280 Really?
00:24:34.740 We're like, we've
00:24:35.980 got this alien
00:24:36.600 technology.
00:24:37.380 Who do we give
00:24:37.800 it to?
00:24:39.780 Let's give it to
00:24:40.480 the cable company.
00:24:43.900 Another one,
00:24:44.720 Fisher Price.
00:24:46.840 Give it over to
00:24:47.700 Fisher Price, and
00:24:48.780 let's have them
00:24:49.400 create the best
00:24:50.240 toys ever.
00:24:50.880 But then Mattel
00:24:51.760 is like, whoa,
00:24:52.920 whoa, whoa, whoa.
00:24:54.100 We didn't get any
00:24:54.980 of that cool new
00:24:55.740 toy tech.
00:24:56.700 Like, what is
00:24:57.060 going on here?
00:24:58.220 We deserve
00:24:59.320 basically reparations,
00:25:00.820 or we deserve
00:25:01.300 compensation for
00:25:02.920 everything that they
00:25:03.940 got and gave them
00:25:04.740 an advantage for.
00:25:06.560 Seriously,
00:25:06.960 that is the
00:25:07.700 scenario that
00:25:08.340 they are the
00:25:08.760 most worried
00:25:09.400 about as far
00:25:10.200 as economic.
00:25:11.380 Trillions and
00:25:12.040 trillions of
00:25:12.540 dollars that
00:25:13.520 would now go up
00:25:15.120 for grabs for
00:25:15.640 them to fight
00:25:16.120 over for, and
00:25:17.240 it would happen
00:25:17.700 globally,
00:25:18.240 internationally.
00:25:19.020 That is the
00:25:20.040 biggest thing when
00:25:21.200 you think about
00:25:21.680 fragility that
00:25:22.580 they're thinking
00:25:23.000 about.
00:25:25.180 Yeah, go ahead,
00:25:26.300 Ricky.
00:25:26.600 I think you're
00:25:27.640 abnormal.
00:25:28.580 I think the fact
00:25:29.240 that you're not
00:25:29.940 worried.
00:25:30.800 I mean, you've
00:25:31.220 seen the alien
00:25:31.980 movies.
00:25:32.520 It never ends
00:25:33.500 well for the
00:25:34.020 humans.
00:25:34.740 And the fact
00:25:35.260 that you're not
00:25:35.920 worried.
00:25:36.320 What does AI?
00:25:37.380 Makes you
00:25:37.820 abnormal.
00:25:38.900 People like
00:25:39.640 me, I
00:25:40.600 actually have
00:25:41.000 nightmares about
00:25:41.760 aliens invading
00:25:42.640 Earth.
00:25:43.120 Am I alone
00:25:43.580 here?
00:25:43.920 I'm serious.
00:25:44.880 You are alone.
00:25:45.380 If I hear that
00:25:46.160 aliens are touching
00:25:46.920 down or they're
00:25:47.540 trying to contact,
00:25:48.100 I'm finding your
00:25:49.020 bunker in Idaho
00:25:50.060 and I'm locking
00:25:51.540 down.
00:25:53.140 Really?
00:25:54.820 That's, I think
00:25:55.700 that's, really?
00:25:57.020 Why?
00:25:57.640 How are you not
00:25:58.380 afraid?
00:26:00.820 Well, because what
00:26:01.500 are you going to do
00:26:02.000 about it?
00:26:02.480 So you're just
00:26:03.640 going to hang
00:26:04.720 it up and not
00:26:06.060 fight the aliens?
00:26:06.760 No.
00:26:07.540 If I hear that
00:26:08.740 aliens are on the
00:26:10.040 other side of the
00:26:10.940 moon and they're
00:26:12.060 mounting an
00:26:13.160 invasion, then I'm
00:26:14.500 worried.
00:26:15.400 But if we find out
00:26:17.140 that aliens landed
00:26:18.760 on Earth in 1956
00:26:20.400 and they died and we
00:26:22.760 have their bodies
00:26:23.540 someplace, okay, well
00:26:25.940 we know those are
00:26:26.640 real.
00:26:27.260 Now, if they say,
00:26:28.320 and by the way,
00:26:29.200 they're shapeshifters
00:26:30.140 and they might be
00:26:30.980 among us, then I
00:26:32.060 freak out.
00:26:32.720 Are you talking
00:26:33.080 about Nancy Pelosi?
00:26:34.360 Yes, I am.
00:26:35.740 I mean, then I
00:26:36.720 freak out.
00:26:37.420 But if it's just
00:26:38.140 that we have, we
00:26:39.980 know that aliens
00:26:40.960 exist, okay, I
00:26:43.500 mean, I'm not
00:26:44.140 surprised by that.
00:26:46.100 I mean, I would be
00:26:47.040 very surprised if
00:26:47.840 they're shapeshifters
00:26:48.580 and they're here on
00:26:49.240 Earth, but I'm not
00:26:50.780 surprised.
00:26:51.940 As it says in that
00:26:53.080 movie, Contact, as
00:26:54.220 Carl Sagan used to
00:26:55.420 say, what a
00:26:56.300 horrible waste of
00:26:57.380 space if we are
00:26:58.520 alone.
00:26:58.840 I mean, think of
00:27:01.020 the vastness of
00:27:01.880 space.
00:27:03.120 All of this was
00:27:04.120 created and we're
00:27:05.240 the only forms of
00:27:07.040 intelligent life that
00:27:08.120 makes no sense
00:27:09.200 whatsoever.
00:27:09.900 So I'm actually kind
00:27:11.120 of excited by it.
00:27:12.260 I don't want to
00:27:13.420 arrange the meeting.
00:27:15.500 I'm not like, hey,
00:27:17.220 let's put out all of
00:27:18.600 our Reese's peanut
00:27:19.420 butter cups when they
00:27:20.340 come on down.
00:27:21.200 They might like
00:27:21.840 them.
00:27:22.780 It's not going to
00:27:23.720 end well.
00:27:25.000 So I'm not, yeah.
00:27:27.020 Have you seen the
00:27:27.880 documentary Mirage?
00:27:28.840 Mirage Men?
00:27:31.340 No.
00:27:32.120 So I'm bringing this
00:27:33.440 up because a lot of
00:27:34.260 the insiders are
00:27:35.000 talking about in the
00:27:35.680 chat right now that
00:27:36.400 this could be or this
00:27:37.540 seems like a
00:27:38.820 distraction, you know,
00:27:40.180 some kind of
00:27:40.800 distraction operation.
00:27:42.680 And Mirage Men,
00:27:43.940 every time the
00:27:44.940 government wanted to
00:27:45.680 distract you away from
00:27:46.640 something, they would
00:27:47.740 say, oh, look at
00:27:48.720 the, this is like,
00:27:49.680 they would filter it
00:27:50.740 out little by little
00:27:51.520 and say this is
00:27:52.100 evidence of aliens.
00:27:52.860 It does seem very,
00:27:54.340 very convenient that
00:27:55.600 every time a major
00:27:56.480 story is going on,
00:27:57.700 we get a new
00:27:58.580 disclosure hint.
00:27:59.840 I don't know.
00:28:01.040 Oh, I,
00:28:01.900 I think this is much
00:28:04.700 more likely that this
00:28:05.760 is a PSYOP.
00:28:07.140 I think it's much
00:28:08.340 more likely that
00:28:09.080 that's what's
00:28:09.740 happening.
00:28:10.020 I do believe that
00:28:13.020 there is a good
00:28:15.240 shot that we have
00:28:16.720 had, that we have
00:28:18.760 intelligence that
00:28:19.640 life exists outside
00:28:22.160 of human life,
00:28:24.260 okay, and earth
00:28:25.520 life.
00:28:26.200 I do believe that
00:28:27.480 there is a good
00:28:28.420 chance that we know
00:28:29.420 that.
00:28:30.760 Whether we have,
00:28:31.920 you know, alien
00:28:32.860 technology or not,
00:28:34.360 I don't know.
00:28:35.080 I'd be interested to
00:28:36.040 find out.
00:28:36.540 But I think this
00:28:37.980 whole thing is much
00:28:39.660 more likely a
00:28:40.460 PSYOP.
00:28:42.080 I mean, you know,
00:28:42.660 what would be the
00:28:43.220 one thing that would
00:28:44.000 unite everybody on
00:28:45.300 earth?
00:28:49.340 People in space
00:28:50.520 coming to get you.
00:28:51.980 So what is the
00:28:53.320 PSYOP?
00:28:53.680 Are they trying to
00:28:54.640 distract us from?
00:28:56.240 Like, is it war
00:28:57.280 with Iran?
00:28:58.440 The economy?
00:29:01.720 I think that it's
00:29:03.360 interesting that this
00:29:04.240 is all happening the
00:29:05.140 week of Epstein
00:29:06.880 again.
00:29:07.260 I mean, when this
00:29:11.200 story came out, you
00:29:13.440 know, we should, we
00:29:14.280 should, anybody who's
00:29:15.340 an insider, anybody who
00:29:16.540 is, you know, just,
00:29:17.640 just do a quick search,
00:29:19.700 line up the big
00:29:20.900 stories, when the big
00:29:21.960 stories came out on
00:29:23.720 UFO and find out what
00:29:26.340 was happening those
00:29:27.280 weeks.
00:29:29.580 And line up the big
00:29:31.140 stories and see if
00:29:32.020 there's any correlation
00:29:33.120 to big stories that
00:29:34.420 came out those weeks.
00:29:35.560 For instance, I mean,
00:29:36.800 if you start to find
00:29:37.720 60% of them also
00:29:39.720 coincide with Epstein
00:29:41.160 things, I think you
00:29:42.660 have your answer on
00:29:43.460 your PSYOP.
00:29:45.840 But that, that should
00:29:46.820 be easy to, that
00:29:48.120 should be easy to
00:29:48.820 check.
00:29:49.340 Run that through, get
00:29:50.500 that to me.
00:29:51.540 888-727-BECK,
00:29:53.500 triple, isn't that
00:29:54.080 weird?
00:29:54.440 You would never be
00:29:55.440 able to do that a
00:29:56.160 year ago.
00:29:57.380 I mean, the access to
00:29:59.000 information that we
00:30:00.080 have now is so
00:30:01.520 incredible.
00:30:02.580 You can do anything.
00:30:05.880 And I don't think
00:30:06.680 people really
00:30:07.240 understand.
00:30:07.780 I don't think they
00:30:08.220 appreciate the time
00:30:10.020 that we live in right
00:30:11.060 now.
00:30:11.600 Quick, enjoy it,
00:30:12.680 because, you know, as
00:30:13.560 I said, I think I said
00:30:15.380 this off the air
00:30:15.980 earlier, so maybe I
00:30:18.000 shouldn't say it on the
00:30:18.660 air, but we all know
00:30:19.600 that Elon Musk is
00:30:20.520 going to turn out to be
00:30:21.200 the Antichrist at some
00:30:22.420 point.
00:30:23.360 But, but until that
00:30:26.000 time, it's kind of cool
00:30:27.260 to see everything that's
00:30:28.180 happening, right?
00:30:28.960 You're listening to the
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00:30:36.020 I saw this amazing
00:30:38.360 video, I think it was on
00:30:39.200 Instagram last week, of a
00:30:41.480 guy who set up these
00:30:43.140 like pay phones, one in
00:30:46.020 San Francisco and one in
00:30:48.560 Abilene, Texas.
00:30:50.120 And the one in San
00:30:51.320 Francisco said, talk to a
00:30:52.980 Republican.
00:30:53.700 The one in Abilene said,
00:30:55.520 talk to a Democrat.
00:30:56.520 And if you picked up
00:30:58.660 the phone, it would
00:30:59.580 ring in the other city
00:31:01.020 and then people would
00:31:01.680 pick up.
00:31:02.500 Let me show you what
00:31:03.600 happened.
00:31:03.960 It's an amazing
00:31:04.700 experiment.
00:31:05.640 Let me play a little
00:31:06.560 clip of what I saw.
00:31:07.840 We bought this pay phone
00:31:09.020 on Facebook Marketplace
00:31:10.140 and then modified it a
00:31:11.240 bunch and then changed
00:31:12.160 the signage to say,
00:31:13.180 call a Republican.
00:31:14.280 And then we brought the
00:31:14.900 pay phone to San
00:31:15.600 Francisco, California,
00:31:16.800 which is the most
00:31:17.580 liberal city in America.
00:31:18.780 And then we installed
00:31:19.620 the pay phone outside of
00:31:20.920 black serum tattoo, of
00:31:22.600 course, with their
00:31:23.240 permission.
00:31:23.580 And after we installed
00:31:24.300 the phone, we then got
00:31:25.320 on a flight to Texas.
00:31:26.520 where we bought another
00:31:27.500 pay phone in Dallas and
00:31:29.200 drove it two hours west
00:31:30.500 to Abilene, the most
00:31:31.940 conservative city in
00:31:33.040 America.
00:31:33.580 And then at an Airbnb,
00:31:34.680 we modified it a bunch
00:31:35.760 and had it say, call a
00:31:37.400 Democrat.
00:31:38.220 And then we installed
00:31:38.900 this pay phone outside
00:31:39.900 of seven in one books,
00:31:41.600 of course, with their
00:31:42.320 permission.
00:31:42.840 And when you pick up
00:31:43.520 this phone in Texas,
00:31:44.380 it automatically calls
00:31:45.660 the other phone in
00:31:46.560 San Francisco.
00:31:47.340 And when you pick up
00:31:47.940 the phone in San
00:31:48.580 Francisco, it
00:31:49.300 automatically calls
00:31:50.120 this one in Texas.
00:31:51.440 The project is called
00:31:52.260 The Party Line.
00:31:53.280 And the goal is to get
00:31:54.140 people from different
00:31:54.860 political viewpoints to
00:31:55.820 have meaningful,
00:31:56.880 not hateful conversations.
00:31:58.400 Because at a biological
00:31:59.260 level, humans are far more
00:32:00.680 similar than we are
00:32:01.520 different.
00:32:02.020 And while political
00:32:02.540 discourse often causes
00:32:03.560 stress, human-to-human
00:32:04.760 friendly conversations
00:32:05.700 reduce the stress in our
00:32:06.940 brains and activate the
00:32:08.160 neurotransmitters,
00:32:08.940 dopamine, and cannabinoids,
00:32:10.240 which make us happier.
00:32:11.260 So, the guy who did it is
00:32:15.040 Axel Bouchon, and he's a
00:32:16.700 neuroscientist.
00:32:17.680 He's not some political
00:32:18.680 guy.
00:32:19.000 He's a neuroscientist.
00:32:21.000 And he is the CEO and
00:32:22.500 founder of Matter
00:32:23.580 Neuroscience.
00:32:25.520 And his experiment was,
00:32:27.060 what happens to our
00:32:28.780 brains when we're given
00:32:29.660 the opportunity to find
00:32:30.780 connection over animosity?
00:32:33.280 Axel, what a great
00:32:34.940 experiment.
00:32:35.620 Thanks for being on the
00:32:36.300 program with me.
00:32:38.040 Well, thanks for having
00:32:38.900 me, Glenn.
00:32:41.120 Yeah, I mean, we try to
00:32:43.920 really translate
00:32:44.600 neuroscience into something
00:32:45.660 you can feel.
00:32:46.660 That's kind of almost like
00:32:48.620 what we do actually since a
00:32:49.700 very long time, to be
00:32:50.560 honest.
00:32:53.200 What did you find?
00:32:54.600 Because I've seen some of
00:32:56.920 the conversations, and
00:32:58.340 they're amazing.
00:32:59.820 I didn't expect it.
00:33:00.880 Amazing.
00:33:01.700 Yeah.
00:33:03.760 Maybe I just take one step
00:33:05.460 back to quickly explain
00:33:06.620 what we are.
00:33:07.240 Because we're actually a
00:33:07.920 hardcore neuroscience
00:33:08.880 biotech company.
00:33:09.980 And we started because
00:33:11.200 today we don't really
00:33:13.500 understand why people get
00:33:14.580 depressed on a molecular
00:33:15.780 level.
00:33:16.460 So the company, our
00:33:18.880 company tries to find a
00:33:20.060 biomarker for happiness
00:33:21.800 and depression.
00:33:23.060 What we did successfully
00:33:24.140 like last year, so our
00:33:26.080 medical program, what is
00:33:27.260 one of our major
00:33:28.260 activities is in Stanford
00:33:29.520 with patients.
00:33:30.980 But then we realized that
00:33:32.600 people who were in our
00:33:33.720 studies actually became
00:33:35.300 happier by just doing the
00:33:37.120 study.
00:33:37.740 And that led us to
00:33:40.020 creating our emotional
00:33:41.780 fitness club, what is
00:33:43.820 literally like a gym where
00:33:45.200 you train the muscles of
00:33:46.240 your brain, what is kind of
00:33:47.280 your emotions.
00:33:48.180 And the experiment that
00:33:49.660 you have seen is just a
00:33:51.200 stunt of the fitness
00:33:53.300 club, basically, the
00:33:54.280 emotional fitness club.
00:33:55.280 So tell me, wait, wait,
00:33:56.020 then tell me about the
00:33:57.160 fitness club here before we
00:33:58.200 go any further.
00:33:59.000 What do you do in the
00:34:00.240 fitness club?
00:34:02.160 Like, and let me take the
00:34:03.300 example off the phone.
00:34:04.200 We have seen in the
00:34:05.940 experiments, in the
00:34:06.660 studies that cortisol, what
00:34:08.760 is the underlying molecule
00:34:10.360 for all our negative
00:34:11.680 emotions, can be overtaken
00:34:15.400 and replaced if you give
00:34:17.040 very strong signals of
00:34:18.960 belonging, like oxytocin for
00:34:20.760 family love or cannabinoids
00:34:22.280 for just friendship.
00:34:23.620 And this works extremely
00:34:24.740 well when you talk to
00:34:26.740 people, preferably in
00:34:28.520 person, but already when you
00:34:29.640 just talk to them, we as a
00:34:31.940 human species, we realize
00:34:34.640 how emotions are kind of
00:34:37.900 sounded, and then we feel
00:34:39.820 better if we are not
00:34:41.100 immediately attacked.
00:34:42.260 And that was the
00:34:43.420 experiment.
00:34:43.920 We felt like, hey, there's
00:34:44.780 so much negative
00:34:47.100 connotation in the media
00:34:49.780 that is not like really
00:34:51.100 human-to-human interaction
00:34:52.760 that we wanted to
00:34:54.200 reproduce the data we have
00:34:55.320 seen in our study, that
00:34:56.320 when you calmly talk to
00:34:58.220 someone, you're actually
00:34:59.060 developing an interesting
00:35:00.260 conversation, because we're
00:35:02.240 humans.
00:35:03.020 And that was literally, I
00:35:05.980 mean, to me, a huge
00:35:07.520 surprise, very, very nicely
00:35:09.800 reproduced.
00:35:10.520 So we had like 250
00:35:12.360 conversations and over 300
00:35:15.300 voice messages, and we have
00:35:18.840 not listened to all of them,
00:35:20.060 but I think over 200.
00:35:21.140 We have not found a single
00:35:22.720 negative, aggressive
00:35:24.540 conversation.
00:35:27.180 Unbelievable.
00:35:28.580 Unbelievable.
00:35:29.760 Okay, so is this part of,
00:35:31.780 you know, when you say just
00:35:33.780 by talking, you start to feel
00:35:35.720 better, is this part of the
00:35:37.380 problem with social media?
00:35:38.560 We're not talking to each
00:35:39.740 other, we're only talking to
00:35:41.160 each other via text, so there's
00:35:42.340 no human-to-human or much
00:35:44.540 less human-to-human contact,
00:35:45.920 and that's why maybe we're
00:35:47.520 starting to see suicide rates
00:35:48.700 and everything else?
00:35:50.860 I think the connection to
00:35:52.000 suicide rate is most probably a
00:35:53.660 longer conversation where we
00:35:55.040 need an hour together.
00:35:55.940 But I think the key thing is
00:35:58.900 indeed what you said, right?
00:36:00.500 If I can write something, I
00:36:02.540 can be aggressive because I
00:36:04.680 don't see the reaction, right?
00:36:06.500 And then if you just even look
00:36:08.680 at what is shown in classical
00:36:12.460 news channels, it's always like
00:36:14.080 the peak of an aggression, right?
00:36:16.140 The escalation.
00:36:17.260 So we are selectively getting
00:36:19.140 exposed to triggers for
00:36:23.740 negativity.
00:36:24.260 What in our brain is triggering
00:36:25.920 cortisol at its max.
00:36:27.600 And cortisol is like literally
00:36:28.820 shutting down all the molecules
00:36:32.440 that make us feel good.
00:36:33.760 It's like the ultimate stop
00:36:36.180 signal for feeling good.
00:36:37.800 And a normal conversation
00:36:39.320 actually restarts these.
00:36:40.700 Can you help me out on that?
00:36:43.260 Because cortisol also is the one
00:36:44.880 that when you got to go, you know,
00:36:46.640 when you got to get up and go in
00:36:47.740 the morning, your cortisol level is
00:36:49.420 very high.
00:36:50.800 I mean, I've never heard it put in
00:36:54.380 such a negative term before.
00:36:56.100 Give me the pro and the con on
00:36:58.780 cortisol.
00:37:00.340 Yeah.
00:37:01.040 And good spot.
00:37:02.820 The point is we have cortisol
00:37:04.820 activities in the body and literally
00:37:07.080 as a neurotransmitter modulator in our
00:37:09.340 brain and in the brain, it has a very
00:37:11.900 negative influence on our mood.
00:37:14.620 So indeed, our body gets up and needs
00:37:17.980 it to get active.
00:37:19.160 But that is only a peak in the beginning
00:37:21.460 of the morning.
00:37:22.900 But when we are chronically exposed to
00:37:25.320 cortisol, we get literally
00:37:26.880 molecularly blocked to experience good
00:37:30.280 emotions.
00:37:30.720 And that was a little bit the experiment
00:37:35.000 that we wanted to prove that even if
00:37:36.620 you know, just imagine, you know, you
00:37:38.640 will call a Republican, you know, you
00:37:41.420 will call a Democrat that actually maybe
00:37:42.900 in the day before you were like, eat
00:37:45.620 these guys.
00:37:46.800 But then just when you start talking
00:37:48.700 about the weather, when you talk about
00:37:50.220 any sandwiches, when you talk, I mean,
00:37:52.620 this was the funny thing, like food was
00:37:54.280 an interesting topic.
00:37:55.320 Hey, what are you doing?
00:37:56.100 And it's like, and that was, I think
00:37:58.800 was, was really great.
00:37:59.840 I, I, it almost feels like, um, we should
00:38:02.600 have them in much more cities.
00:38:04.940 Everywhere.
00:38:05.540 I strongly believe.
00:38:07.300 Yeah.
00:38:07.540 Yeah.
00:38:08.760 I'd like to see you do one to Canada,
00:38:11.140 Americans to Canada, Canada to America.
00:38:13.280 Cause it's, I mean, we, we just, you
00:38:16.820 know, I know if we just talk, we're
00:38:18.680 going to get past all of this crap.
00:38:20.360 Um, that was the surprising thing to
00:38:22.660 me on this.
00:38:23.360 When I was listening to the conversations
00:38:25.640 that were coming back was they were
00:38:27.380 not what I expected because it is talk
00:38:30.020 to a Democrat, talk to a Republican.
00:38:31.740 So you would think somebody's going to
00:38:33.840 pick up the phone and go, I got to give
00:38:35.160 you a piece of my mind.
00:38:36.580 Um, instead it was, so what's it like
00:38:39.760 there?
00:38:40.540 What's happening around you?
00:38:41.780 And it was very normal.
00:38:44.660 It's weird.
00:38:45.100 Yeah.
00:38:46.320 Yeah.
00:38:47.940 Weird.
00:38:48.560 Oh, I think normal.
00:38:49.920 Right.
00:38:50.180 So, so, so I also have to, um,
00:38:52.840 yeah, I mean, normal is weird now.
00:38:57.180 I don't know if you know that
00:38:58.020 everything is upside down, but, but
00:39:02.500 you see, for me, the scientist who
00:39:04.120 only looks at molecules and cells, I
00:39:07.460 cannot see any differences anyways
00:39:09.260 between the political directions.
00:39:11.260 It's for me, it's we are all the
00:39:12.660 same, right?
00:39:13.560 So, so that the key thing for me was
00:39:15.700 actually to kind of just like help us
00:39:17.380 feel that we have really a very, very
00:39:19.460 strong similarity.
00:39:20.340 Interestingly, even when the
00:39:22.700 conversation changes moved towards
00:39:25.100 political topics, it was interesting to
00:39:27.900 observe that nobody was kind of
00:39:30.840 subscribing a hundred percent to
00:39:33.800 everything of their respective party.
00:39:36.020 It was always like, Hey, I, I don't like
00:39:38.720 this particular part, but, but I like the
00:39:41.660 other thing.
00:39:42.160 And so it was interesting that actually
00:39:44.020 almost central America, right?
00:39:48.040 So I'm in Germany, right?
00:39:49.180 There was a, there's like, we have
00:39:50.740 like a very strong center party where we
00:39:52.900 had it, right?
00:39:53.660 So in a way it feels like in the middle,
00:39:56.900 most probably even 90% in the middle,
00:39:58.900 most probably agree on a lot of things.
00:40:01.880 I'm not saying everything, but it sounded
00:40:03.240 like almost everything.
00:40:04.360 And so, yeah.
00:40:05.680 I know.
00:40:06.900 Was there a conversation that you did
00:40:08.700 here that really struck you, uh, as
00:40:12.540 unique or important?
00:40:16.080 Um, so actually several, because it was
00:40:21.240 just like, everybody just wanted to be
00:40:22.860 okay.
00:40:23.720 So it was just topics to where you are.
00:40:26.640 Okay.
00:40:26.900 It was about food.
00:40:27.680 It was about how is the weather.
00:40:28.820 It was about how, what do you do today?
00:40:30.880 How is the family?
00:40:32.040 So, so like literally the foundation of
00:40:33.860 being just okay.
00:40:35.220 And that when you hear it over and over
00:40:37.100 again, that was, I think the remarkable
00:40:40.800 thing that across, I would almost say 90%
00:40:44.160 of the conversations that was the joint
00:40:46.280 force, like just be okay.
00:40:49.360 And so, so, so I couldn't kind of pick
00:40:52.280 one that is an outlier on this.
00:40:54.960 Um, but I think it was interesting for us
00:40:57.280 is that we, we received, and that's so
00:40:59.840 confirming that we received, I think one
00:41:01.960 email with negative writing.
00:41:06.400 So all voice messages, everything with,
00:41:08.560 with voice was okay.
00:41:10.660 Writing was negative.
00:41:12.100 We got only one negative.
00:41:13.720 Interesting.
00:41:15.240 Interesting.
00:41:16.860 It, it, you know, I hear this from so
00:41:19.800 many people on both sides of the aisle.
00:41:21.860 When you go out into the real world, not
00:41:24.860 Washington, not the media scape, not
00:41:26.720 any, you're actually out in the real
00:41:28.160 world and you hear this from people.
00:41:31.020 They're just tired of all of this.
00:41:32.280 They just, they just, can't we just, can't
00:41:34.420 we just go back to being normal people
00:41:36.520 again?
00:41:37.380 Um, and it's good to see that that's
00:41:40.320 not, uh, not just something that, you
00:41:43.320 know, you kind of feel it.
00:41:44.660 It's actually, you're proving it to be
00:41:46.440 real.
00:41:47.560 Um, is there, is there anything?
00:41:50.100 Yeah.
00:41:50.300 No, go ahead.
00:41:52.960 Can I just, just add one thing because
00:41:54.700 I lived in the U S worked in the U S
00:41:56.960 and moved a lot around the world.
00:41:59.320 And now I'm just living in Germany at
00:42:00.940 the moment.
00:42:02.120 But for me as an outsider, it just
00:42:05.840 like to, to send that message to the
00:42:08.740 U S that you were basically the
00:42:10.700 foundation, for instance, for my life, I
00:42:13.180 would not be standing here without you
00:42:14.560 guys.
00:42:15.440 So what unites you is so strong and
00:42:20.120 so unique that I'm running a U S
00:42:24.740 company, right?
00:42:25.320 So, so therefore, when I see it, it's
00:42:26.480 like, just so bad, it's just not
00:42:29.200 necessary, right?
00:42:30.300 So it just feels if, if you would all
00:42:32.560 can just like come together and think
00:42:33.800 about your absolute uniqueness and kind
00:42:35.820 of building the craziest stuff and even
00:42:38.980 achieve it, that is kind of just like
00:42:41.720 what unites everything to me.
00:42:43.080 Um, and, and I say that as a, I think
00:42:45.840 actually, we used to, we used to believe
00:42:50.000 that about ourselves and there's just
00:42:51.660 this movement.
00:42:52.380 I don't know how big it is.
00:42:54.340 Um, but there is this movement and it
00:42:56.160 is taken a real hold in social media,
00:42:59.020 et cetera, that America should be ashamed
00:43:02.100 of itself, that it's not unique in the
00:43:04.500 world, that it it's, you know, it's a
00:43:06.500 failure where a lot of Americans look at
00:43:09.460 this and go, yeah, you know, we do suck
00:43:11.860 on a lot of things.
00:43:12.860 Like every country sucks on things.
00:43:14.440 We've had bad moments in our history, et
00:43:16.480 cetera, et cetera.
00:43:17.020 Every country has had that, but there is
00:43:19.380 something unique here.
00:43:20.660 And that, that is the, the, that was the
00:43:24.920 unum that used to hold us together in
00:43:27.000 e pluribus unum.
00:43:27.860 It was the, these rights that we all had.
00:43:30.980 And, and you know, I'll def, I'll defend
00:43:33.500 with my life, your right to say something
00:43:36.160 that I disagree with, but you have a right
00:43:38.300 to say it.
00:43:39.360 And that's what made us unique.
00:43:41.560 Yeah.
00:43:42.600 But we can't seem to get there anymore.
00:43:43.980 It is the uniqueness here.
00:43:45.680 Yeah.
00:43:46.380 Yeah.
00:43:47.160 Let's just get back there.
00:43:48.560 That's the whole thing.
00:43:49.280 I mean, if we join, if we join the forces,
00:43:51.400 we will get back there.
00:43:52.800 I can just say that.
00:43:53.560 I just remember myself as a little boy
00:43:55.840 standing there, Germany, right.
00:43:57.820 It was still like, um, and getting the
00:44:01.380 feelings from the U S GIs was amazing.
00:44:04.540 I can just say that it's like, it was
00:44:06.220 unique.
00:44:06.700 It's a unique set of genes.
00:44:09.300 I would even say.
00:44:13.720 Axel.
00:44:16.280 I cry easily.
00:44:17.200 So this is not a big hurdle to cross here,
00:44:19.300 but that, I mean, that means so much to
00:44:21.960 me.
00:44:22.200 And I, I think a lot of Americans hearing
00:44:25.200 that, thank you for saying that.
00:44:26.980 Uh, is it, uh, these phone, are the, are
00:44:31.460 the phone booths going elsewhere?
00:44:34.400 It's interesting how we wanted to do it
00:44:36.640 30 days and how there's interest to just
00:44:39.720 leave it open and just let it go.
00:44:41.740 Um, so we're just discussing with both.
00:44:44.360 We had some ideas from the users, whether
00:44:46.980 we should do, um, phone booth is in an
00:44:50.300 elderly home and in a college so that the
00:44:52.460 old and young may just talk to each
00:44:54.400 other.
00:44:54.640 What I think is another interesting idea.
00:44:56.180 Um, and we're just like looking, sorting
00:44:59.540 out whether that's possible.
00:45:00.860 Um, your company, you can find it.
00:45:04.660 The website is matter.xyz matter.xyz like
00:45:10.340 to have you on again to talk about what you
00:45:12.140 guys do on your, you know, your, your
00:45:14.400 mental gym, if you will.
00:45:15.760 Uh, it's, uh, matter neuros, matter
00:45:18.880 neuroscience, find it at matter.xyz.
00:45:22.620 Axel, thank you very much.
00:45:24.060 God bless.
00:45:25.460 I thank you.
00:45:26.240 Thanks so much.
00:45:26.900 Have a good day.
00:45:27.780 You bet.
00:45:29.120 Does that make you feel good?
00:45:30.580 Man, that makes me feel good.
00:45:31.660 Some say the bubbles in an arrow truffle piece
00:45:38.140 can take 34 seconds to melt in your mouth.
00:45:40.780 Sometimes the very amount you're stuck at
00:45:42.620 the same red light.
00:45:44.420 Rich, creamy, chocolatey arrow truffle.
00:45:47.280 Feel the arrow bubbles melt.
00:45:49.300 It's mind bubbling.
00:45:50.320 You bet.
00:46:11.040 You bet.
00:46:14.280 You bet.