The Glenn Beck Program - Best of the Program with Riaz Patel I 10⧸9⧸18

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00:00:26.160 On today's show, it's a big news day.

00:00:27.660 Nikki Haley is stepping down as a U.N. ambassador,

00:00:33.860 and we go into that a little bit as it kind of breaks during the show.

00:00:37.840 Also, we have Glenn's book, Addicted to Outrage, is out,

00:00:43.960 and we had a bunch of people calling in, sharing their thoughts,

00:00:46.840 their questions, would the stuff that Glenn talks about in this book work?

00:00:50.260 We kind of get into that a little bit and discuss, in a bigger sense,

00:00:53.820 we all focus about the day-to-day sort of news

00:00:55.940 and everyone's, you know, who tweeted what in the last 15 seconds.

00:00:59.040 What did Taylor Swift say?

00:01:00.460 I know that's always on everyone's mind,

00:01:02.600 but, you know, we kind of zoom back out a little bit

00:01:05.760 and take a wider view.

00:01:07.760 Where are we going as a country?

00:01:09.740 Where are we going as a conservative movement?

00:01:12.000 What can we do to make this better?

00:01:13.580 We get into that today.

00:01:14.680 As well as an interesting hour with Riaz Patel.

00:01:17.540 Riaz is a really great guy, and he's a leftist and a progressive, I guess.

00:01:25.300 But he took the time after Donald Trump was elected to kind of,

00:01:30.760 it was actually in the middle of the election, I guess,

00:01:32.420 and he went and just started talking to people,

00:01:34.880 actual people who were Trump voters, and like I think it was Alaska,

00:01:38.220 and wound up coming up with a, kind of treated them as real people,

00:01:42.560 which is something we always ask for in the media and never get.

00:01:45.100 And when we get it, we should talk about it a little bit.

00:01:47.300 Riaz decided to work with Glenn on a cool concept

00:01:50.560 to try to see if you could put people in a room

00:01:53.220 and figure out things they actually agree on

00:01:56.440 from all different backgrounds.

00:01:58.780 The results are really interesting,

00:02:00.640 and I think you're really going to enjoy it.

00:02:01.680 It's all on today's podcast.

00:02:05.700 You're listening to

00:02:06.780 The Best of the Glenn Beck Program.

00:02:12.260 It's Tuesday, October 9th.

00:02:15.100 We have in Portland, Oregon,

00:02:17.840 a mayor who has surrendered the town.

00:02:23.240 He has surrendered the town to Antifa.

00:02:27.320 They, apparently, not the police,

00:02:30.200 can direct traffic now.

00:02:32.580 And the police were there.

00:02:34.800 They did nothing.

00:02:36.740 If you don't do what Antifa says you have to do,

00:02:41.480 they'll threaten you.

00:02:42.740 America is at a crossroads.

00:02:52.940 We have to decide.

00:02:56.940 Or it will be decided for us.

00:02:59.600 My father taught me when I was very young

00:03:06.460 the most powerful words in any language

00:03:09.620 are these.

00:03:12.620 I am.

00:03:16.260 And the reason why they're so powerful

00:03:18.500 is because whatever it is that you say after that,

00:03:22.660 you begin to believe and you create.

00:03:31.280 What is America saying it is right now?

00:03:35.420 We are being told over and over again,

00:03:41.380 we are worthless.

00:03:43.280 The Western way of life is worthless.

00:03:46.860 That America is not good,

00:03:49.560 never has been.

00:03:51.380 In fact, it's a force for bad.

00:03:53.280 And unless we actively replace those things

00:03:59.480 in our heads and the heads of those around us,

00:04:03.620 we will be worthless.

00:04:06.140 And we will be a force for bad.

00:04:12.680 We are arguing about some of the dumbest things

00:04:15.640 I've ever seen.

00:04:16.480 And we are missing what's really going on.

00:04:21.440 The world is being redesigned right now.

00:04:24.920 And so many of us are worried about the future.

00:04:28.420 Today, we'll see in the New York Times and elsewhere

00:04:31.320 that the world only has 10 years

00:04:33.960 and you have to be a hero in the next 10 years

00:04:37.660 if you don't stop global warming.

00:04:40.480 Why we are all going to die.

00:04:46.320 So you must be a hero today

00:04:48.880 and you have to take action.

00:04:52.980 The question is,

00:04:54.700 what does that action look like?

00:05:00.060 Do any of the things that the environmentalists

00:05:03.500 are actually proposing,

00:05:05.760 do they help or hurt?

00:05:06.840 What the world looks like in 2030

00:05:12.760 depends on how we answer questions

00:05:16.200 that we're supposedly arguing about right now.

00:05:21.320 We can try to avoid it.

00:05:24.220 We cannot listen.

00:05:25.320 We cannot pay attention.

00:05:27.880 But, as Bonhoeffer said,

00:05:31.440 not to speak is to speak.

00:05:33.180 Not to stand is to stand.

00:05:35.080 No answer

00:05:37.600 will count

00:05:39.660 as our answer.

00:05:44.000 Will we all be remembered

00:05:46.060 as winter soldiers

00:05:47.960 and complicit

00:05:50.900 with what I believe

00:05:54.220 will be remembered

00:05:55.040 as the greatest

00:05:56.000 failure

00:05:57.240 and crime

00:05:59.880 in humanity's history?

00:06:02.200 just standing by

00:06:05.320 waving your finger

00:06:07.520 or waving the flag

00:06:08.980 as the Western world burns?

00:06:18.300 I do not want to be part

00:06:20.120 of the problem

00:06:21.040 in America.

00:06:23.920 And I fail on that

00:06:25.420 all the time.

00:06:26.220 We all do.

00:06:26.820 But what counts

00:06:33.040 is the effort.

00:06:36.620 What counts

00:06:37.380 is are you trying?

00:06:41.420 Are you trying?

00:06:43.080 And are you better today

00:06:44.600 than you were yesterday?

00:06:45.680 Have you found any answers

00:06:49.140 or are you only shouting

00:06:51.440 things down?

00:06:52.620 Are you just out

00:06:55.060 in the street

00:06:56.020 directing traffic?

00:06:59.400 Because you feel

00:07:00.700 it's your right.

00:07:02.100 Well,

00:07:02.740 have you even looked

00:07:04.120 at what your rights mean?

00:07:06.660 Where do your rights

00:07:08.280 even come from?

00:07:10.940 Today,

00:07:11.880 I saw Think Progress

00:07:13.120 write a whole article

00:07:14.540 about how the Constitution

00:07:15.840 has failed.

00:07:17.780 That was the headline.

00:07:19.120 The Constitution

00:07:19.960 has failed.

00:07:23.220 And then

00:07:24.140 it goes on

00:07:25.520 to explain

00:07:26.220 how it is really

00:07:27.140 a slavery document.

00:07:29.360 And the three-fifths

00:07:30.780 in the Constitution.

00:07:32.340 All lies.

00:07:33.460 All lies.

00:07:37.840 Now,

00:07:38.440 you can argue that

00:07:39.560 or we can begin

00:07:41.920 to teach our children.

00:07:44.320 You can argue that

00:07:45.920 and you can throw it

00:07:48.400 back in their face 0.60

00:07:49.560 with some sort

00:07:50.680 of epithet

00:07:52.240 or

00:07:52.580 name-calling

00:07:56.380 of some sort.

00:08:03.840 Here's the question

00:08:04.840 that we all have to answer.

00:08:06.720 Is America

00:08:07.940 a force for good

00:08:10.580 or a force for bad?

00:08:14.780 That requires

00:08:16.040 real thought

00:08:17.520 and discussion.

00:08:19.520 Because it is

00:08:20.660 neither,

00:08:21.400 in my opinion.

00:08:22.880 It is both.

00:08:24.740 It has been

00:08:25.800 a force for bad.

00:08:27.340 And I warn you,

00:08:29.200 if we leave

00:08:30.680 the Bill of Rights,

00:08:32.200 we will become

00:08:33.580 the darkest force

00:08:36.260 ever on Earth.

00:08:38.340 With our technology,

00:08:40.620 we will make

00:08:42.060 the Nazis 0.71

00:08:42.800 look like rookies.

00:08:44.360 make no mistake.

00:08:48.580 We have

00:08:49.500 been bad.

00:08:51.040 We have rounded up

00:08:52.160 the Japanese.

00:08:54.760 We've rounded up

00:08:55.680 the Germans

00:08:56.120 and the Italians.

00:08:58.760 We rounded up

00:08:59.780 the blacks. 0.59

00:09:02.580 We told people

00:09:03.600 they couldn't vote.

00:09:06.460 Including women. 0.94

00:09:07.380 But we are

00:09:09.660 also the people

00:09:10.600 that freed

00:09:12.460 people.

00:09:13.920 We freed

00:09:14.860 blacks 1.00

00:09:15.380 and we fought

00:09:16.480 for it.

00:09:17.640 We fought

00:09:18.240 and died.

00:09:24.480 We fought

00:09:25.740 to free

00:09:26.540 the Japanese.

00:09:30.720 We fought

00:09:31.820 to free

00:09:32.360 the Germans

00:09:33.360 and all of Europe

00:09:34.420 and the world.

00:09:35.200 we fought

00:09:36.920 to free

00:09:37.800 Russia

00:09:39.500 from the

00:09:41.140 tyranny

00:09:41.620 of communism.

00:09:45.080 And we

00:09:45.920 failed

00:09:46.540 in the time

00:09:47.540 of peace.

00:09:51.560 Are we

00:09:52.460 good

00:09:52.900 or are we

00:09:54.080 bad?

00:09:55.020 Is the

00:09:55.580 Declaration of

00:09:56.480 Independence 0.62

00:09:57.100 still a viable

00:09:58.940 mission statement?

00:10:00.260 Because that's

00:10:00.740 all that is.

00:10:01.900 The Declaration

00:10:02.620 of Independence

00:10:03.200 is a mission

00:10:03.920 statement,

00:10:04.540 period.

00:10:05.200 Do we

00:10:07.620 still hold

00:10:08.820 these truths

00:10:09.780 to be

00:10:10.240 self-evident?

00:10:11.220 Forget about

00:10:12.080 the past.

00:10:13.480 Let's talk

00:10:14.120 about the

00:10:14.580 future.

00:10:16.140 We have

00:10:16.600 never,

00:10:17.560 ever

00:10:18.300 reached the

00:10:19.620 heights

00:10:20.140 demanded

00:10:21.260 by our

00:10:22.000 mission statement.

00:10:24.840 But have

00:10:25.780 we gotten

00:10:26.100 better?

00:10:27.780 Is it

00:10:28.360 still worth

00:10:29.200 striving for?

00:10:31.060 We hold

00:10:31.680 these truths

00:10:32.440 to be

00:10:32.820 self-evident

00:10:33.380 that all

00:10:34.220 men are

00:10:34.960 created

00:10:35.600 equal.

00:10:36.020 That means

00:10:36.740 we're

00:10:37.340 born

00:10:37.960 equal.

00:10:39.000 We all

00:10:39.480 have an

00:10:39.800 equal

00:10:40.060 chance.

00:10:41.740 Don't

00:10:42.360 judge

00:10:42.660 somebody

00:10:43.020 by the

00:10:43.420 color of

00:10:44.020 their skin,

00:10:44.560 but by the

00:10:44.980 content of

00:10:45.540 their character.

00:10:47.800 Do you

00:10:48.500 have,

00:10:49.260 do you have

00:10:50.060 everything

00:10:50.640 the baby

00:10:51.500 laying next

00:10:52.900 to you has

00:10:53.680 when you're

00:10:54.280 born?

00:10:54.620 as far

00:10:58.100 as human

00:10:58.880 rights

00:10:59.440 and

00:10:59.700 dignity?

00:11:02.440 Do you

00:11:03.140 still believe

00:11:03.720 that?

00:11:05.220 And I'm

00:11:05.900 not talking

00:11:06.520 about,

00:11:07.100 well,

00:11:07.480 that's not

00:11:07.940 the way.

00:11:08.400 I'm asking

00:11:09.080 you as an

00:11:09.880 aspirational

00:11:10.840 mission statement.

00:11:11.840 That is the

00:11:12.960 mission statement

00:11:13.800 of our

00:11:14.320 country.

00:11:15.980 Do you

00:11:16.440 want to

00:11:17.020 live in

00:11:17.780 a country

00:11:18.420 that strives

00:11:20.380 and falls

00:11:21.420 short,

00:11:22.180 but picks

00:11:22.860 itself back

00:11:23.620 up again?

00:11:25.020 Do you

00:11:25.460 want to

00:11:25.920 live in

00:11:26.320 a country

00:11:26.820 that says

00:11:27.640 all men

00:11:28.580 are created

00:11:29.460 equal and

00:11:30.740 they are

00:11:31.160 endowed by

00:11:32.020 their creator?

00:11:33.080 Why would

00:11:33.740 you have to

00:11:34.120 throw God 0.99

00:11:34.680 into it?

00:11:35.620 I don't

00:11:36.220 care what

00:11:36.740 you put

00:11:37.240 there.

00:11:38.360 It just

00:11:39.200 must be

00:11:40.040 bigger than

00:11:40.760 man.

00:11:42.580 The reason

00:11:43.760 why the

00:11:44.320 creator is

00:11:45.160 important is

00:11:47.100 if you don't

00:11:47.740 have something

00:11:48.380 bigger than

00:11:49.000 man,

00:11:50.100 then man

00:11:51.360 will print

00:11:52.780 and take

00:11:53.760 away

00:11:54.260 rights.

00:11:56.540 So if

00:11:57.320 you want

00:11:57.620 to see

00:11:57.960 the moon,

00:12:00.020 the

00:12:01.060 eternities,

00:12:02.420 the great

00:12:03.900 cosmos,

00:12:05.180 whatever,

00:12:07.080 but it

00:12:10.240 endows

00:12:11.040 each of

00:12:11.760 us with

00:12:12.260 certain

00:12:12.880 unchangeable

00:12:14.780 rights,

00:12:15.500 and those

00:12:16.020 rights are

00:12:16.600 life,

00:12:17.460 liberty,

00:12:17.820 and the

00:12:18.020 pursuit of

00:12:18.480 happiness.

00:12:19.080 Now there

00:12:19.480 is a lot

00:12:20.060 more.

00:12:21.460 And that's

00:12:21.880 where the

00:12:22.180 Bill of

00:12:22.520 Rights comes

00:12:23.120 in.

00:12:23.820 Do we

00:12:24.380 still believe

00:12:25.700 in this?

00:12:27.980 As an

00:12:28.780 aspirational

00:12:29.660 statement,

00:12:30.340 we are only

00:12:31.280 talking about

00:12:32.040 the past.

00:12:32.880 We're talking

00:12:33.320 about the

00:12:33.700 mistakes of

00:12:34.360 the past.

00:12:35.160 You cannot

00:12:35.960 fix the

00:12:37.080 mistakes of

00:12:37.780 the past

00:12:38.380 without saying

00:12:39.860 where we're

00:12:40.760 going.

00:12:42.100 So where are

00:12:43.080 we going,

00:12:43.840 Antifa?

00:12:45.080 You want to

00:12:46.060 tear us

00:12:46.480 down.

00:12:46.960 Now I

00:12:48.000 read your

00:12:48.620 website,

00:12:49.380 I read

00:12:50.020 your mission

00:12:50.580 statement,

00:12:51.280 I strongly

00:12:52.380 disagree.

00:12:54.220 Capitalism

00:12:54.920 is not

00:12:55.440 the problem.

00:12:57.320 Capitalism

00:12:58.080 that has

00:12:59.520 no moral

00:13:00.400 sentiment

00:13:00.900 is.

00:13:02.820 But you

00:13:03.460 don't fix

00:13:04.080 that by

00:13:05.240 a state

00:13:06.960 run

00:13:07.580 economy.

00:13:10.840 By

00:13:11.680 co-ops.

00:13:12.920 It always

00:13:14.180 fails.

00:13:14.940 now you

00:13:17.580 and your

00:13:19.620 allies in

00:13:20.300 the press

00:13:20.920 refuse to

00:13:22.520 point out

00:13:23.180 that that

00:13:23.560 is exactly

00:13:24.380 what you're

00:13:25.260 looking for.

00:13:26.740 It's a

00:13:27.520 failed system.

00:13:29.580 This one

00:13:30.060 has been,

00:13:30.800 this one

00:13:31.300 has failed

00:13:32.460 us because

00:13:34.060 it has been

00:13:35.040 usurped.

00:13:36.860 The

00:13:37.480 Constitution

00:13:38.120 no longer

00:13:38.720 means anything.

00:13:40.060 The Bill

00:13:40.340 of Rights

00:13:40.800 no longer

00:13:41.260 means anything.

00:13:42.640 Why?

00:13:42.940 Because it's

00:13:44.180 not taught

00:13:44.840 anymore.

00:13:45.820 Anybody who

00:13:46.600 takes the

00:13:47.100 oath of

00:13:47.500 office in

00:13:48.180 Washington,

00:13:49.140 90% of

00:13:50.320 them are

00:13:50.920 liars.

00:13:51.680 Not even

00:13:52.340 intentional

00:13:53.780 liars.

00:13:56.100 They don't

00:13:57.780 know it.

00:13:58.620 They don't

00:13:59.320 believe in

00:14:00.100 it.

00:14:00.580 They will

00:14:01.100 tell you

00:14:01.840 they do.

00:14:03.380 As was

00:14:04.180 told to me

00:14:04.880 by a very

00:14:05.420 powerful

00:14:05.840 individual

00:14:06.340 once,

00:14:07.280 look,

00:14:07.860 Glenn,

00:14:08.200 we all

00:14:08.700 believe in

00:14:09.240 the Constitution,

00:14:10.100 but you

00:14:11.400 know,

00:14:11.680 you gotta

00:14:12.140 do what

00:14:12.740 you gotta

00:14:13.140 do.

00:14:13.940 No.

00:14:15.900 No.

00:14:17.260 You do

00:14:18.000 not do

00:14:18.780 what you

00:14:19.200 have to

00:14:19.680 do.

00:14:20.000 That's

00:14:20.220 ends justify

00:14:21.000 the means.

00:14:21.980 We either

00:14:22.460 believe in

00:14:23.160 this or

00:14:23.680 we do

00:14:24.080 not.

00:14:24.640 And that

00:14:24.940 is the

00:14:25.240 question,

00:14:26.120 America.

00:14:26.820 Do you

00:14:27.660 believe?

00:14:32.940 Neutral,

00:14:34.400 half-assed,

00:14:35.800 not thought

00:14:36.700 out,

00:14:37.160 sitting on

00:14:39.600 the

00:14:39.800 sidelines?

00:14:41.520 All of

00:14:42.300 those answers

00:14:43.060 mean nothing

00:14:43.940 in the

00:14:44.460 end.

00:14:45.520 Only those

00:14:46.640 who know

00:14:47.560 it,

00:14:48.080 who understand

00:14:48.880 it,

00:14:49.520 who have

00:14:49.980 done their

00:14:50.540 homework,

00:14:51.420 who can

00:14:51.920 intellectually

00:14:52.880 defend it.

00:14:57.300 Those are

00:14:58.000 the winter

00:14:58.300 soldiers.

00:14:59.280 Those will

00:14:59.760 be the

00:15:00.100 ones that

00:15:00.900 restore

00:15:01.820 freedom

00:15:03.240 for all

00:15:04.280 mankind.

00:15:04.760 everything

00:15:07.300 else is

00:15:08.280 lip service,

00:15:09.540 a game,

00:15:10.740 and actually

00:15:12.080 a tool

00:15:13.520 in the

00:15:14.580 hands of

00:15:15.180 those who

00:15:15.780 wish to

00:15:16.160 create chaos

00:15:17.240 and destroy 0.82

00:15:18.420 all we

00:15:19.100 have.

00:15:19.980 This is

00:15:20.880 the best

00:15:21.320 of the

00:15:21.580 Glenn Beck

00:15:21.980 program.

00:15:27.160 Let me

00:15:27.780 go to

00:15:28.040 Greg.

00:15:29.580 Greg is

00:15:30.700 a contributor

00:15:31.320 for the

00:15:31.680 Federalist.

00:15:32.400 Wow.

00:15:33.280 Hi,

00:15:33.720 Greg,

00:15:33.980 how are

00:15:34.260 you?

00:15:35.060 Good

00:15:35.320 morning,

00:15:35.700 Glenn.

00:15:36.380 Good to

00:15:36.840 hear from

00:15:37.660 you.

00:15:38.640 Nice to

00:15:38.960 talk to

00:15:39.280 you.

00:15:39.860 I

00:15:40.260 understand

00:15:40.860 that

00:15:41.380 five

00:15:42.340 years

00:15:42.740 ago,

00:15:43.800 you may

00:15:44.420 not have

00:15:44.740 been my

00:15:45.140 biggest

00:15:45.460 fan.

00:15:47.020 No,

00:15:47.680 no,

00:15:47.940 not at

00:15:48.220 all,

00:15:48.460 actually.

00:15:49.120 I'm with

00:15:49.620 you,

00:15:49.820 Greg,

00:15:50.020 on that

00:15:50.240 one.

00:15:50.480 He has

00:15:51.760 different

00:15:53.580 reasons.

00:15:54.480 You were

00:15:55.020 on the

00:15:55.260 left?

00:15:56.680 Oh,

00:15:57.040 yeah,

00:15:57.260 very much

00:15:57.680 so.

00:15:58.180 Tell me

00:15:58.520 about it.

00:16:00.060 Well,

00:16:00.660 I was

00:16:01.500 raised by

00:16:02.860 far-left

00:16:04.760 kind of

00:16:06.040 ex-hippie

00:16:06.920 parents,

00:16:08.540 and,

00:16:08.920 you know,

00:16:09.860 that was

00:16:10.140 just kind

00:16:10.500 of pushed

00:16:10.920 into me

00:16:11.460 from a

00:16:11.880 young age.

00:16:13.760 And it

00:16:14.280 was just

00:16:14.640 how I saw

00:16:15.980 everything.

00:16:16.520 It was like

00:16:16.900 a filter

00:16:17.400 over the

00:16:18.340 entire world.

00:16:19.120 And I

00:16:20.720 walked around

00:16:21.960 looking

00:16:22.620 suspiciously

00:16:23.420 at everybody,

00:16:24.440 thinking that,

00:16:25.380 you know,

00:16:25.800 there's something

00:16:26.280 deeply broken

00:16:27.100 within them,

00:16:28.100 that they're

00:16:28.680 out to get

00:16:29.480 somebody,

00:16:30.340 that they

00:16:30.920 don't understand

00:16:31.700 what I do,

00:16:33.400 even though I

00:16:34.340 didn't understand

00:16:35.420 very much at

00:16:36.020 all.

00:16:37.060 It was pure

00:16:38.080 emotion,

00:16:38.680 and it was

00:16:39.000 raw and

00:16:40.120 ill-informed.

00:16:41.880 So what

00:16:42.600 happened?

00:16:43.080 And,

00:16:43.680 well,

00:16:44.280 I,

00:16:46.140 one of my

00:16:46.660 close friends,

00:16:47.560 we were

00:16:50.300 having a

00:16:50.660 discussion,

00:16:51.280 and he

00:16:51.580 actually

00:16:52.160 mentioned

00:16:52.880 Fox News,

00:16:55.660 and just

00:16:57.660 kind of said

00:16:58.120 that that was

00:16:59.000 his news

00:16:59.880 source,

00:17:00.520 and I was

00:17:00.920 appalled,

00:17:01.900 and I was

00:17:02.460 furious,

00:17:03.340 and I went

00:17:05.040 home from

00:17:05.500 that,

00:17:05.860 you know,

00:17:06.180 just thinking,

00:17:07.020 what?

00:17:07.220 I thought I

00:17:07.980 knew this

00:17:08.420 guy.

00:17:09.080 All along,

00:17:10.340 I had no

00:17:10.640 idea.

00:17:11.080 He's some

00:17:11.640 kind of

00:17:11.960 monster.

00:17:12.560 Like,

00:17:12.720 how could

00:17:13.680 this be?

00:17:15.200 And I

00:17:16.620 got curious,

00:17:17.560 curious as

00:17:19.520 to how

00:17:20.280 this could

00:17:20.960 happen,

00:17:21.780 and I

00:17:22.720 went home,

00:17:24.040 and I

00:17:24.840 started

00:17:25.300 watching and

00:17:26.940 listening to

00:17:28.120 some people

00:17:29.520 on the

00:17:29.840 other side,

00:17:30.680 and it

00:17:31.540 was quite

00:17:33.040 a slap

00:17:33.880 in the

00:17:34.120 face.

00:17:34.680 This was

00:17:35.060 prior to

00:17:36.200 Trump and

00:17:38.120 the whole

00:17:38.640 situation now,

00:17:39.840 and all

00:17:40.440 this flame

00:17:40.960 throwing,

00:17:41.740 and what

00:17:42.840 I saw

00:17:43.400 were,

00:17:44.460 you know,

00:17:45.140 people who

00:17:45.620 celebrate what

00:17:46.640 we've

00:17:47.000 overcome

00:17:47.580 instead of

00:17:48.420 what we've

00:17:48.800 had to

00:17:49.260 overcome,

00:17:50.660 and it

00:17:52.140 was really

00:17:52.520 powerful and

00:17:53.760 very restorative

00:17:55.640 to me,

00:17:57.480 and,

00:17:57.940 you know,

00:17:58.920 looking at

00:17:59.320 your book

00:17:59.700 through the

00:18:01.020 lens of

00:18:01.360 addiction,

00:18:02.200 looking at

00:18:03.540 the way that

00:18:04.260 we approach

00:18:04.820 our politics

00:18:06.060 and the way

00:18:06.500 we regard

00:18:06.940 one another

00:18:07.460 through that

00:18:08.360 lens,

00:18:08.740 I think is

00:18:09.420 so important.

00:18:10.320 I've gone

00:18:11.320 through addiction

00:18:11.940 myself,

00:18:12.520 and,

00:18:13.660 you know,

00:18:14.200 as an

00:18:14.520 addict,

00:18:14.880 you learn

00:18:15.480 about real

00:18:17.120 humility,

00:18:18.500 and you

00:18:20.140 find help,

00:18:20.820 you find

00:18:21.060 comfort in

00:18:21.760 some of

00:18:23.000 the most

00:18:23.300 unlikely

00:18:23.900 places,

00:18:24.880 and,

00:18:25.800 you know,

00:18:26.440 it really

00:18:26.860 kind of

00:18:27.180 becomes

00:18:27.660 clear to

00:18:28.680 you that,

00:18:29.280 you know,

00:18:29.780 you can

00:18:30.580 say that

00:18:31.180 diversity is

00:18:32.240 our greatest

00:18:32.660 strength,

00:18:33.600 but,

00:18:33.820 you know,

00:18:34.140 it's more

00:18:35.120 than that.

00:18:35.640 It's the

00:18:37.160 cooperation

00:18:37.760 between,

00:18:38.560 you know,

00:18:39.080 diverse people.

00:18:40.960 It's the

00:18:41.620 humility of

00:18:42.860 diverse people,

00:18:43.880 I think.

00:18:44.340 One of my

00:18:44.780 favorite quotes

00:18:45.340 is,

00:18:45.700 where there

00:18:46.760 is doubt,

00:18:48.080 there is

00:18:48.620 freedom.

00:18:50.120 And we

00:18:51.600 flip that up

00:18:53.540 on its head.

00:18:54.720 We are now

00:18:55.580 so,

00:18:56.940 I mean,

00:18:57.160 look at

00:18:57.420 Antifa,

00:18:57.940 directing

00:18:58.260 traffic.

00:18:58.940 They are

00:18:59.280 so convinced

00:19:00.780 that they

00:19:01.400 are right,

00:19:02.340 they will

00:19:02.840 bludgeon you 0.95

00:19:03.680 if you

00:19:04.160 disagree with

00:19:04.800 them.

00:19:05.580 There's no

00:19:06.020 freedom there.

00:19:07.280 Where there

00:19:07.740 is doubt,

00:19:08.800 there is

00:19:09.340 freedom.

00:19:09.640 Where there

00:19:10.040 is humility,

00:19:11.000 there is

00:19:11.420 freedom.

00:19:13.380 Absolutely.

00:19:14.420 And,

00:19:14.780 you know,

00:19:14.920 when,

00:19:15.120 you know,

00:19:16.580 intellectual

00:19:17.040 exploration,

00:19:17.940 when curiosity

00:19:18.840 going against

00:19:21.500 the grain

00:19:21.980 in any way,

00:19:22.840 when that

00:19:23.140 becomes

00:19:23.780 punishable,

00:19:25.780 I think

00:19:26.980 they really

00:19:28.200 risk,

00:19:28.820 you know,

00:19:29.620 driving

00:19:30.140 good people

00:19:32.600 down some

00:19:33.980 unsavory roads.

00:19:35.700 And there's

00:19:37.300 no good in

00:19:37.820 that.

00:19:38.980 Great,

00:19:39.260 thank you.

00:19:39.520 tradition.

00:19:40.560 Oh,

00:19:40.920 yeah,

00:19:41.140 absolutely.

00:19:42.040 Absolutely.

00:19:42.700 Thank you so

00:19:43.500 much for

00:19:43.840 reading the

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00:19:44.540 And I'm

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00:19:46.100 copy.

00:19:46.920 But thank

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00:19:47.960 reading and

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00:20:56.800 Heather in

00:21:00.340 Hi Glenn,

00:21:01.060 how are you?

00:21:01.640 I'm very

00:21:02.040 good.

00:21:03.800 I overall

00:21:04.980 agree with

00:21:05.920 everything in

00:21:06.440 the book.

00:21:06.680 I think it's

00:21:07.160 awesome.

00:21:08.580 I want to

00:21:09.200 talk about

00:21:09.940 kind of a

00:21:10.320 minor point,

00:21:10.920 I guess.

00:21:11.320 Okay.

00:21:12.360 You're talking

00:21:15.320 about how

00:21:15.800 AI is going

00:21:16.620 to come in

00:21:17.480 and replace

00:21:18.720 almost all

00:21:19.320 the jobs.

00:21:20.120 And I know

00:21:21.300 you don't

00:21:21.700 necessarily agree

00:21:22.560 with UBI,

00:21:23.260 but you've

00:21:23.600 said that we

00:21:24.000 need to at

00:21:24.340 least have a

00:21:24.700 conversation

00:21:25.300 about UBI

00:21:26.560 because of

00:21:27.100 it.

00:21:28.040 Yes.

00:21:28.280 I think we

00:21:29.080 need to be

00:21:29.440 careful about

00:21:30.120 even considering

00:21:32.120 UBI.

00:21:33.080 I think that

00:21:33.460 they're really

00:21:33.860 using fear

00:21:34.700 over AI to

00:21:36.240 try to come

00:21:37.320 in and

00:21:37.700 institute this,

00:21:38.620 which is

00:21:38.940 something that

00:21:40.440 they want to

00:21:40.900 push us

00:21:41.220 towards socialism.

00:21:42.860 I think that

00:21:43.420 AI, while it

00:21:45.960 will certainly

00:21:46.640 change everything,

00:21:48.140 obviously,

00:21:49.400 we've run

00:21:50.500 into this in

00:21:51.200 the past and

00:21:52.120 all the other

00:21:52.700 technical

00:21:53.820 revolutions

00:21:55.160 where the

00:21:56.940 Luddites,

00:21:57.560 they were

00:21:58.040 afraid that

00:21:59.200 technology was

00:22:00.120 and replace

00:22:00.960 their jobs.

00:22:01.760 That was

00:22:02.040 their problem.

00:22:03.360 Correct.

00:22:03.760 And so I

00:22:05.360 understand that

00:22:06.360 AI is definitely

00:22:07.820 coming and it's

00:22:08.600 going to change

00:22:09.120 things, but it's

00:22:10.380 not going to

00:22:10.760 take over

00:22:11.220 everything, all

00:22:12.020 the jobs.

00:22:12.700 In addition,

00:22:13.720 obviously, to

00:22:14.200 the people that

00:22:14.720 will need to

00:22:15.380 create the

00:22:16.420 machines and

00:22:17.900 keep the AI

00:22:18.440 running, there's

00:22:19.760 certain things

00:22:20.220 AI just can't

00:22:21.060 do, like

00:22:21.820 fixing a leak

00:22:24.940 in your plumbing

00:22:25.520 in your house.

00:22:26.260 Probably AI is

00:22:27.160 not going to

00:22:27.580 do that.

00:22:30.060 As far as

00:22:30.900 service, obviously,

00:22:31.880 I think

00:22:32.100 McDonald's is a

00:22:33.380 great example

00:22:33.920 where AI, I

00:22:35.160 don't think many

00:22:35.660 people are going

00:22:36.100 to be upset if

00:22:37.440 they go into

00:22:37.820 McDonald's and

00:22:38.520 not have to

00:22:39.100 deal with

00:22:39.400 anyone, but

00:22:40.340 Chick-fil-A is

00:22:41.220 known for their

00:22:41.820 service.

00:22:42.620 Let me ask you

00:22:44.300 this.

00:22:44.800 Let me ask you

00:22:45.300 this.

00:22:45.520 First of all,

00:22:46.040 I don't mean

00:22:47.780 any offense or

00:22:48.780 anything, I just

00:22:49.400 want to know

00:22:50.020 how up to

00:22:52.200 speed you are

00:22:52.880 on this.

00:22:55.060 What books

00:22:55.880 are you reading

00:22:56.400 on AI?

00:22:57.920 Are you just

00:22:59.440 a generalist or

00:23:00.640 have you dug in

00:23:01.840 deep on this?

00:23:02.940 Yeah, I'm more

00:23:03.780 of a generalist.

00:23:04.540 I have not done

00:23:05.320 deep work on

00:23:06.420 this, so I'm

00:23:07.840 coming just from

00:23:08.840 a different

00:23:09.580 perspective without

00:23:10.980 having done the

00:23:11.740 deep research that

00:23:12.640 I know that you

00:23:13.160 have on this,

00:23:14.480 but just my

00:23:16.600 feeling like AI

00:23:18.380 is going to

00:23:19.060 absolutely be able

00:23:19.760 to diagnose

00:23:20.280 cancer quicker

00:23:22.080 and more

00:23:22.520 accurately,

00:23:22.880 than a doctor,

00:23:23.660 but are you

00:23:24.020 going to want

00:23:24.320 to sit in

00:23:24.740 front of a

00:23:25.380 robot and

00:23:26.120 have the

00:23:26.520 robot tell

00:23:27.060 you that you

00:23:27.420 have cancer

00:23:27.940 and explain

00:23:28.680 your options?

00:23:29.460 Okay, so

00:23:29.800 Heather, there

00:23:30.440 is a, and I

00:23:31.460 can't remember

00:23:31.840 the name of

00:23:32.300 it on this

00:23:33.560 particular subject,

00:23:34.660 but I will

00:23:35.040 look for it.

00:23:36.000 There is a

00:23:36.700 whole book

00:23:37.180 based just

00:23:38.200 on this.

00:23:39.600 Nursing is

00:23:40.280 probably one

00:23:41.200 of the jobs

00:23:41.860 that will be

00:23:42.320 the last to

00:23:43.320 go.

00:23:43.820 However, there

00:23:45.060 are two

00:23:45.760 companies right

00:23:46.760 now that are

00:23:47.460 doing studies

00:23:48.320 on emotions,

00:23:50.340 the emotion

00:23:51.240 of being able

00:23:52.340 to detect

00:23:53.060 it in

00:23:53.760 someone and

00:23:55.040 being able

00:23:55.560 to reflect

00:23:56.220 it in

00:23:56.840 face.

00:23:57.800 The reason

00:23:58.320 why that

00:24:01.220 we don't

00:24:02.520 connect with

00:24:03.460 robots is

00:24:04.420 because they

00:24:05.020 cannot see

00:24:06.200 our emotions

00:24:07.520 and read

00:24:08.080 them and

00:24:08.660 also reflect

00:24:09.860 emotions in

00:24:10.600 their eyes

00:24:11.240 and in their

00:24:11.780 face.

00:24:12.340 So there

00:24:13.020 are companies

00:24:13.520 now that are

00:24:14.400 specifically just

00:24:16.460 working on

00:24:17.280 cracking the

00:24:17.960 code of

00:24:19.020 emotional

00:24:19.740 connection.

00:24:21.580 It's going

00:24:22.220 to take

00:24:22.520 a while,

00:24:23.080 but a

00:24:23.340 while is

00:24:23.800 what,

00:24:24.160 10 years,

00:24:24.900 15 years

00:24:25.600 in today's

00:24:26.300 world?

00:24:27.100 And I

00:24:27.700 think that's

00:24:28.020 a long

00:24:28.480 while.

00:24:29.580 So there

00:24:30.240 are those

00:24:31.920 ideas that

00:24:35.760 are being

00:24:36.300 worked on

00:24:36.860 right now.

00:24:37.480 You have

00:24:37.740 to understand

00:24:38.380 that Silicon

00:24:40.100 Valley is

00:24:41.020 currently working

00:24:42.040 on the

00:24:43.340 utopian

00:24:44.100 idea of

00:24:45.640 100%

00:24:47.100 unemployment,

00:24:48.340 that no

00:24:49.060 one has

00:24:49.900 to work,

00:24:50.920 that everyone

00:24:51.840 will be able

00:24:52.760 to have

00:24:54.180 plenty because

00:24:55.400 robots and

00:24:56.620 everything else

00:24:57.280 will be able

00:24:57.840 to manufacture.

00:24:59.320 This is

00:25:00.560 different than

00:25:01.540 any other

00:25:02.340 technological

00:25:02.980 leap that

00:25:03.760 we've ever

00:25:04.740 made.

00:25:05.840 Yes, we are

00:25:06.880 going to shed

00:25:07.620 jobs, and

00:25:08.400 yes, there

00:25:08.960 will be other

00:25:09.940 jobs that will

00:25:10.820 be created.

00:25:11.900 That is one

00:25:12.980 theory.

00:25:13.420 The prevailing

00:25:14.000 theory is there

00:25:15.420 is nothing

00:25:16.060 that a human

00:25:16.680 can do that

00:25:18.120 true AGI and

00:25:20.160 especially ASI

00:25:21.620 will not be

00:25:22.400 able to do

00:25:23.080 much, much

00:25:24.120 better, including

00:25:25.200 breaking the

00:25:26.220 news to people

00:25:27.060 because the

00:25:28.420 idea is that

00:25:30.180 that system

00:25:31.160 will be able

00:25:32.000 to go

00:25:33.220 through every

00:25:34.300 bit of

00:25:35.180 information about

00:25:36.640 the individual

00:25:37.480 they're about

00:25:38.100 to tell.

00:25:39.400 So they will

00:25:39.940 know everything

00:25:40.720 that they've

00:25:41.140 ever posted

00:25:41.780 about, let's

00:25:42.360 say, their

00:25:42.920 mom just

00:25:44.000 died.

00:25:44.360 They'll be

00:25:45.140 able to

00:25:45.540 see everything

00:25:46.900 they've ever

00:25:47.380 written to

00:25:47.880 their mom,

00:25:48.440 every text

00:25:49.080 message to

00:25:49.740 their mom.

00:25:50.380 They will

00:25:50.620 know the

00:25:51.140 exact

00:25:51.580 relationship,

00:25:52.240 and they

00:25:53.020 will be

00:25:53.320 able to

00:25:53.860 temper the

00:25:54.440 message much

00:25:55.740 better and

00:25:56.500 much more

00:25:57.040 personal than

00:25:58.340 anyone else.

00:26:00.080 The bigger

00:26:00.460 problem is on

00:26:01.820 AI and

00:26:02.560 doctors is this

00:26:04.140 will happen

00:26:04.840 quickly.

00:26:06.960 Already, and I

00:26:07.940 can't remember

00:26:08.400 the name of

00:26:09.560 the system, but

00:26:10.440 it is in New

00:26:10.980 York, and you'll

00:26:11.440 have to excuse me,

00:26:12.060 I read about

00:26:12.600 this about

00:26:13.020 three, four

00:26:14.120 years ago.

00:26:15.220 The New

00:26:16.580 York Board

00:26:17.100 of Medicine

00:26:17.740 already has a

00:26:19.420 computer on

00:26:20.460 the board, and

00:26:22.100 what they're

00:26:22.660 doing is they

00:26:24.060 are feeding in

00:26:25.100 all kinds of

00:26:26.360 information, and

00:26:28.020 it is not

00:26:30.220 like a human

00:26:31.580 doctor, the

00:26:32.300 best human

00:26:32.980 doctor, that

00:26:33.900 has seen a

00:26:34.500 lot, done a

00:26:35.160 lot, really up

00:26:36.180 on the latest

00:26:37.000 research, and

00:26:37.920 all of the facts

00:26:39.440 and studies

00:26:40.060 and history,

00:26:41.720 everything else.

00:26:42.540 This has

00:26:43.100 perfect recollection

00:26:44.340 of it, and

00:26:45.320 they have found

00:26:45.940 that it can

00:26:46.560 diagnose so

00:26:48.400 much better.

00:26:49.000 I think it's

00:26:50.500 50% for the

00:26:53.020 doctors, and

00:26:53.640 it's 98% for

00:26:55.780 the computer,

00:26:56.960 way in

00:26:58.140 advance.

00:26:59.180 At what

00:27:00.140 point do

00:27:01.660 we say, I

00:27:02.660 don't want a

00:27:03.620 human to do

00:27:04.300 the diagnosis?

00:27:05.540 I don't want

00:27:06.340 the best

00:27:06.860 specialist.

00:27:07.500 I want the

00:27:09.060 IBM, please.

00:27:11.580 So you have

00:27:12.940 to understand

00:27:13.660 that there is

00:27:14.240 a fundamental

00:27:15.420 shift that the

00:27:16.560 world has never

00:27:17.660 ever seen

00:27:18.520 before, and

00:27:19.840 we're about to

00:27:20.760 experience that

00:27:21.700 shift between

00:27:22.500 2020 and

00:27:23.520 2030, and

00:27:24.820 the world

00:27:25.240 will not be

00:27:26.420 like it is

00:27:27.840 today.

00:27:28.540 You started

00:27:29.440 your comment

00:27:30.740 about the

00:27:31.560 section of the

00:27:32.040 book where

00:27:32.400 there's a

00:27:33.120 chapter where

00:27:33.580 I talk about

00:27:34.180 UBI, universal

00:27:35.060 basic income.

00:27:35.840 I am against

00:27:37.040 universal basic

00:27:37.820 income.

00:27:38.400 I do not

00:27:38.880 think that

00:27:39.520 that is the

00:27:40.400 way we

00:27:40.820 should go.

00:27:41.960 But we

00:27:42.840 as conservatives

00:27:43.780 must be

00:27:45.400 willing to

00:27:46.200 listen to

00:27:47.160 the debate,

00:27:47.760 and I'm not

00:27:48.260 talking about

00:27:48.980 the people who

00:27:49.620 are socialists

00:27:50.480 in Washington.

00:27:51.740 I'm talking

00:27:52.380 about the

00:27:52.920 people who

00:27:53.360 are studying

00:27:54.380 the culture,

00:27:56.220 studying humans,

00:27:57.480 and studying

00:27:58.800 technology

00:27:59.660 together,

00:28:00.360 that are now

00:28:01.780 looking for

00:28:02.700 what is it

00:28:04.180 that will give

00:28:04.900 people value,

00:28:06.320 what is it

00:28:07.220 when we do

00:28:07.880 hit high

00:28:08.480 unemployment,

00:28:09.260 if your goal

00:28:09.880 is 100%,

00:28:11.140 Bain Capital

00:28:12.380 says we will

00:28:13.000 have 30% of

00:28:14.280 unemployment,

00:28:14.900 and it will

00:28:15.520 be a permanent

00:28:16.460 30% unemployment.

00:28:18.100 That, so you

00:28:19.060 know, is about

00:28:19.940 the size of the

00:28:20.700 Great Depression.

00:28:21.700 When you have

00:28:22.840 that, how do

00:28:24.280 you stop civil

00:28:25.180 unrest?

00:28:26.160 How do you

00:28:26.800 give people

00:28:27.500 meaning, and

00:28:28.980 how do you

00:28:30.060 give people

00:28:31.700 enough money

00:28:32.520 to be able

00:28:33.320 to live

00:28:34.140 and further

00:28:36.020 their life?

00:28:37.460 It's fraught

00:28:38.940 with problems,

00:28:39.760 and even

00:28:41.260 universal basic

00:28:42.220 income, I

00:28:43.040 think, misses

00:28:43.740 the fundamental

00:28:45.300 point that

00:28:47.360 people don't

00:28:49.900 want to live

00:28:50.940 without a

00:28:51.740 purpose, and

00:28:52.660 too many people

00:28:53.940 get their

00:28:54.600 purpose from

00:28:55.460 their job,

00:28:56.660 especially men.

00:28:58.660 We can't just

00:29:00.340 look at the

00:29:01.020 money problem,

00:29:01.900 and you

00:29:03.460 can't just

00:29:04.420 give people

00:29:05.540 stuff.

00:29:06.180 If you give

00:29:07.160 people stuff,

00:29:08.100 they value it

00:29:09.120 less, and

00:29:10.740 most importantly

00:29:11.640 on this,

00:29:14.220 when you

00:29:16.580 have a

00:29:17.120 universal basic

00:29:18.140 income, and

00:29:19.680 70%, 5% 0.74

00:29:21.420 of the people

00:29:22.440 can work,

00:29:24.240 what stops

00:29:25.320 people who

00:29:27.060 want control

00:29:27.700 and power,

00:29:28.260 or just basic

00:29:29.400 human instinct

00:29:30.600 or human

00:29:31.160 reaction, what

00:29:32.640 stops that

00:29:33.280 30% from

00:29:34.380 saying, well,

00:29:35.120 wait a minute,

00:29:35.540 I don't have

00:29:36.080 a job, I

00:29:36.660 can't even

00:29:37.140 get a job,

00:29:38.300 how come I

00:29:38.800 have to live

00:29:39.280 on this, and

00:29:40.080 they have

00:29:40.520 that?

00:29:41.460 It will be

00:29:42.300 the same

00:29:42.780 old story,

00:29:43.760 but we

00:29:44.220 must have

00:29:45.240 these

00:29:45.660 conversations

00:29:46.340 now, and

00:29:48.080 stop with

00:29:49.920 the nonsense

00:29:50.880 that we're

00:29:51.480 dealing with.

00:29:52.240 We want

00:29:59.560 to try

00:29:59.960 something a

00:30:00.380 little

00:30:00.480 different

00:30:00.760 this hour.

00:30:01.500 I want

00:30:01.860 to talk

00:30:02.200 about a

00:30:02.760 major

00:30:03.380 issue, but

00:30:04.400 I don't

00:30:04.600 want to get

00:30:04.900 stuck in

00:30:05.280 the same

00:30:05.680 rut.

00:30:06.780 So let

00:30:07.320 me bring

00:30:07.600 in my

00:30:07.840 friend,

00:30:08.520 Riaz

00:30:08.880 Patel.

00:30:10.320 He hates

00:30:11.180 the labels,

00:30:12.560 and so do

00:30:13.500 I, because I

00:30:14.140 hate the

00:30:14.480 labels that

00:30:14.960 I have.

00:30:16.280 You're a

00:30:16.700 progressive,

00:30:17.540 gay, 0.74

00:30:18.260 Muslim,

00:30:19.080 immigrant,

00:30:19.540 Hollywood

00:30:22.540 producer,

00:30:23.560 and there's

00:30:24.780 no reason we

00:30:25.480 should be

00:30:25.920 friends.

00:30:26.500 No, because

00:30:26.700 of your

00:30:26.940 labels.

00:30:27.480 You are a

00:30:28.660 conservative,

00:30:30.300 anti-gay,

00:30:31.680 anti-minority.

00:30:33.300 So you know

00:30:33.700 what's amazing

00:30:34.380 about that is

00:30:35.100 those labels

00:30:36.040 that I gave

00:30:36.700 you were

00:30:37.540 actual things

00:30:38.620 a part of

00:30:39.580 you.

00:30:40.400 Almost

00:30:40.620 everything you

00:30:41.080 said about

00:30:41.380 me was not

00:30:41.960 true.

00:30:42.380 But I'm

00:30:43.140 thinking about

00:30:43.500 before we

00:30:44.100 met.

00:30:44.400 Yes.

00:30:44.860 So I'm

00:30:45.320 thinking about

00:30:45.640 before we

00:30:46.040 met, what

00:30:46.340 I came in

00:30:47.020 thinking you

00:30:47.800 were.

00:30:48.120 Right.

00:30:48.400 And we

00:30:48.680 became good

00:30:49.600 friends, and

00:30:50.200 we still

00:30:50.560 disagree on

00:30:51.240 stuff.

00:30:51.620 Many things.

00:30:52.060 But we're

00:30:53.500 good friends.

00:30:54.400 When we

00:30:54.840 met, things

00:30:56.000 that you

00:30:56.300 have said

00:30:56.720 changed the

00:30:57.280 way I

00:30:57.560 see the

00:30:58.420 country, the

00:30:59.500 world, and

00:31:00.360 I think there's

00:31:01.000 real importance

00:31:01.800 in having

00:31:02.400 friends, having

00:31:03.520 relationships with

00:31:04.280 people who think

00:31:04.980 completely differently

00:31:06.000 from you.

00:31:06.540 Because we are in

00:31:07.060 this situation

00:31:07.640 now where it's

00:31:08.180 us versus

00:31:08.800 them.

00:31:09.380 Yes.

00:31:09.880 And there is

00:31:10.260 no them.

00:31:10.900 There shouldn't

00:31:11.480 be, because I

00:31:12.260 think it's us

00:31:12.860 versus the 0.55

00:31:13.360 problem.

00:31:14.100 Whatever the

00:31:14.460 problems are,

00:31:15.220 it's all of

00:31:15.800 us on one

00:31:16.260 side.

00:31:16.860 But the more

00:31:17.160 we demonize

00:31:17.780 each other,

00:31:18.100 the more it

00:31:18.580 feels like we're

00:31:19.240 against each

00:31:19.880 other.

00:31:20.720 And there's

00:31:20.960 no nuance.

00:31:22.000 There's no

00:31:22.420 nuance.

00:31:23.120 It's either I'm

00:31:24.000 absolutely right and

00:31:25.120 you're absolutely

00:31:25.860 wrong, or you

00:31:27.980 know you're

00:31:28.420 thinking that

00:31:28.840 about me.

00:31:29.880 And this is

00:31:30.340 kind of why we

00:31:30.860 wanted to do

00:31:31.360 this podcast.

00:31:32.260 So the premise

00:31:32.720 is simple.

00:31:33.340 Can we look at

00:31:34.100 the things that

00:31:34.580 divide us in a

00:31:35.840 way that, from a

00:31:36.960 different angle,

00:31:37.600 maybe a more

00:31:37.980 human perspective, a

00:31:38.920 more personal

00:31:39.400 perspective that

00:31:39.940 allows us to see

00:31:40.920 the connections?

00:31:41.880 So I gave you

00:31:42.600 the impossible

00:31:43.220 task.

00:31:43.740 See if you

00:31:45.080 can have a

00:31:46.000 reasonable

00:31:46.480 conversation with

00:31:47.340 people on all

00:31:48.120 sides about

00:31:49.620 guns.

00:31:50.420 Guns.

00:31:50.980 This constant

00:31:51.880 gun debate.

00:31:52.900 And the reason

00:31:53.400 we chose guns,

00:31:54.220 because it seems

00:31:54.600 like a funny

00:31:55.020 topic for the

00:31:55.520 first one, is

00:31:56.120 that, inspired

00:31:56.860 by all these

00:31:57.720 school shootings

00:31:58.440 that have been

00:31:58.860 happening, we

00:31:59.820 all want the

00:32:00.260 same thing.

00:32:01.080 We don't want

00:32:01.740 the children to

00:32:02.960 be harmed.

00:32:03.560 So knowing we

00:32:04.320 all want the

00:32:04.680 same goal, how

00:32:05.540 do we work

00:32:06.140 together to

00:32:06.740 achieve that

00:32:07.240 goal?

00:32:07.520 And so this

00:32:08.720 journey of

00:32:09.800 exploring how

00:32:10.860 do real

00:32:11.440 Americans engage

00:32:12.280 with each

00:32:12.580 other, this

00:32:13.420 whole thing

00:32:14.180 started with

00:32:14.960 the simplest,

00:32:15.980 simplest sounds,

00:32:17.040 because you're

00:32:17.780 a father, and

00:32:18.660 I'm a father, and

00:32:19.640 so this whole

00:32:20.120 thing started

00:32:20.520 with these

00:32:20.840 little voices.

00:32:24.800 Daddy, it's

00:32:26.500 raining.

00:32:29.120 There's your

00:32:29.800 umbrella.

00:32:31.540 That's Zara,

00:32:32.700 who's two,

00:32:33.880 pointing out that

00:32:34.460 it's raining, and

00:32:35.580 that I need an

00:32:36.080 umbrella.

00:32:36.880 Tenzing,

00:32:37.520 her little

00:32:38.420 brother is

00:32:38.840 one, and

00:32:39.860 agrees.

00:32:44.520 Generally

00:32:45.000 speaking, I am

00:32:45.980 a liberal, so

00:32:47.220 this is the

00:32:47.800 sound that the

00:32:48.440 children of a

00:32:49.020 liberal make as

00:32:50.220 they eat pieces

00:32:50.980 of French toast

00:32:51.780 before school.

00:32:56.160 And this is

00:32:57.380 the sound that

00:32:57.940 the children of

00:32:58.540 conservatives make

00:32:59.540 as they eat

00:33:00.480 their breakfast.

00:33:04.600 Soon our

00:33:05.400 kids will

00:33:05.860 intermingle and

00:33:06.780 mix as we

00:33:07.580 take them to

00:33:08.080 school.

00:33:08.780 Hi, Sarah.

00:33:10.280 Hi, Sarah.

00:33:12.320 And as they

00:33:14.200 all say their

00:33:14.780 highs, I say

00:33:16.120 my goodbye.

00:33:17.680 And sometimes,

00:33:19.060 not every time,

00:33:19.960 but sometimes when

00:33:20.940 I leave, I think

00:33:22.420 that thought.

00:33:25.000 Please don't let

00:33:26.020 anything bad

00:33:28.120 happen here.

00:33:29.980 A thought I'm

00:33:31.100 sure all parents

00:33:32.000 have from time

00:33:32.720 to time.

00:33:36.300 But when a school

00:33:37.360 shooting has

00:33:38.200 happened, instead

00:33:39.380 of coming together

00:33:40.120 to make sure it

00:33:40.680 never happens

00:33:41.420 again, we

00:33:42.380 divide.

00:33:43.460 Shame!

00:33:44.340 Shame!

00:33:44.860 They're ruining

00:33:45.580 this country.

00:33:45.920 Jesus would not

00:33:46.620 be holding those

00:33:47.360 songs.

00:33:47.760 That are cowards

00:33:50.140 and in the

00:33:50.560 pockets of the

00:33:51.260 NRA.

00:33:52.140 And we demonize

00:33:53.180 each other even

00:33:53.820 more in the

00:33:54.680 endless gun

00:33:55.320 debates that

00:33:55.840 follow.

00:33:56.060 It's the guns

00:33:56.960 are stupid. 0.94

00:33:57.800 Freeloading

00:33:58.280 them, Democratic

00:33:59.300 and liberals.

00:33:59.620 Democrats are

00:34:00.120 much more

00:34:00.820 concerned with

00:34:02.260 moral issues

00:34:03.620 than Republicans.

00:34:04.680 They chip away

00:34:05.100 at our rights

00:34:05.680 a little bit

00:34:06.300 at a time and

00:34:06.760 we accept it

00:34:07.440 and we accept

00:34:08.000 it and before

00:34:09.000 long we won't

00:34:09.660 have it.

00:34:09.880 Our approach

00:34:10.580 to debating

00:34:11.120 this is you

00:34:12.100 don't support

00:34:12.560 the Second

00:34:12.900 Amendment and

00:34:13.580 you support

00:34:14.320 mass killings

00:34:14.960 and certainly

00:34:15.680 there's something

00:34:16.340 in the middle.

00:34:17.740 But we all

00:34:18.780 want the same

00:34:19.720 exact thing.

00:34:21.240 To keep all

00:34:21.940 those French 0.98

00:34:22.600 toast-eating

00:34:23.240 kids safe.

00:34:24.160 So this was

00:34:26.480 my question.

00:34:27.540 In an increasingly

00:34:28.460 divided America

00:34:29.700 how do we

00:34:30.600 work together

00:34:31.420 to achieve

00:34:32.160 the same thing?

00:34:33.620 Keeping our

00:34:34.180 children safe

00:34:34.920 at school?

00:34:36.480 So a few

00:34:37.040 weeks ago

00:34:37.540 I asked

00:34:38.140 seven very

00:34:39.100 different Americans

00:34:40.100 to sit down

00:34:41.160 with me

00:34:41.580 and help me

00:34:42.380 find an answer.

00:34:44.240 And we did.

00:34:45.860 We found

00:34:46.740 an answer

00:34:47.320 but it wasn't

00:34:49.160 at all what

00:34:49.820 I thought it

00:34:50.220 would be.

00:34:51.640 The answer

00:34:52.380 as it turns out

00:34:53.100 to my complete

00:34:53.620 surprise

00:34:54.120 is a single

00:34:55.520 digit number.

00:34:57.580 A number

00:34:58.280 that was hastily

00:34:59.180 written on a

00:34:59.780 pink post-it note

00:35:00.620 and passed over

00:35:01.820 to me with a

00:35:02.460 handful of others

00:35:03.180 as part of a

00:35:04.340 kind of warm-up

00:35:05.420 exercise as the

00:35:06.420 seven were just

00:35:07.380 sitting down to

00:35:08.080 begin our

00:35:08.500 conversation.

00:35:09.880 As you hear me

00:35:10.980 read all the

00:35:11.520 numbers back to

00:35:12.320 the group several

00:35:13.000 weeks ago

00:35:13.520 keep in mind

00:35:19.120 one of them

00:35:20.200 is our answer

00:35:21.660 forward.

00:35:22.160 Let me start

00:35:24.720 by telling you

00:35:25.400 about the

00:35:25.940 seven.

00:35:26.220 I am a

00:35:27.500 high school

00:35:27.860 teacher,

00:35:28.580 mother of

00:35:29.360 three boys,

00:35:30.080 three teen

00:35:30.480 boys.

00:35:30.900 I am a

00:35:31.500 firearms

00:35:31.980 instructor.

00:35:33.040 I was a

00:35:33.600 police officer

00:35:34.240 in Arlington

00:35:34.840 Police in

00:35:35.640 Virginia for

00:35:36.240 37 years.

00:35:37.320 I wanted

00:35:37.720 their politics

00:35:38.320 to be very,

00:35:39.160 very different.

00:35:40.160 I would be

00:35:40.720 probably considered

00:35:41.980 a constitutional

00:35:43.320 conservative.

00:35:44.320 I find the

00:35:45.520 older that I

00:35:46.380 get the more

00:35:47.160 progressive and

00:35:47.900 liberal that I

00:35:48.540 become.

00:35:48.940 I am very

00:35:50.120 much on both

00:35:52.000 sides.

00:35:52.540 I always vote

00:35:53.120 for the person

00:35:53.740 that scares me

00:35:54.440 the least.

00:35:55.400 I even wanted

00:35:56.180 their experiences

00:35:57.080 and feelings

00:35:57.760 about guns to

00:35:58.580 be different.

00:35:59.280 My stepdad was

00:35:59.940 from the south.

00:36:00.500 He had a shotgun

00:36:01.000 in the closet.

00:36:01.840 Kids or not,

00:36:02.540 he had a shotgun

00:36:03.080 in the closet.

00:36:03.500 I'm a retired

00:36:04.660 Navy combat pilot.

00:36:06.460 We have guns in

00:36:07.240 our home.

00:36:07.920 They are locked

00:36:08.480 up.

00:36:08.820 I've never seen

00:36:09.620 them.

00:36:09.960 I don't want to

00:36:10.740 see them.

00:36:11.200 People ask me

00:36:11.620 how I started

00:36:12.160 shooting.

00:36:12.600 I just say with

00:36:13.080 my dad and his

00:36:13.740 redneck buddies 0.52

00:36:14.340 out in the country.

00:36:15.020 These seven

00:36:17.000 were thoughtful,

00:36:18.360 well-informed,

00:36:19.560 good-hearted people

00:36:20.600 who all agreed

00:36:21.520 to spend an

00:36:22.300 entire evening

00:36:23.060 talking to people

00:36:24.060 they didn't even

00:36:24.740 know.

00:36:25.440 Why?

00:36:26.020 To come up

00:36:26.680 with a list.

00:36:28.040 I wanted us

00:36:29.060 to find a list,

00:36:30.460 even if it was

00:36:31.260 a very short

00:36:31.800 one, of specific,

00:36:33.640 practical things

00:36:34.520 that we could all

00:36:35.400 agree upon to

00:36:36.660 help combat this

00:36:37.580 intangible threat

00:36:38.840 to our kids that

00:36:39.520 we all think

00:36:40.280 about from time

00:36:40.960 to time.

00:36:42.240 An intangible

00:36:43.080 threat that Alicia,

00:36:43.900 our teacher in

00:36:44.980 the room,

00:36:45.720 explained from

00:36:46.420 the perspective

00:36:46.920 of being inside

00:36:48.380 the schools each

00:36:49.340 and every day.

00:36:51.500 Anytime there is

00:36:52.860 any sort of

00:36:53.920 anything out of

00:36:54.620 the norm at

00:36:55.160 school, the kids

00:36:56.020 get weird, they

00:36:57.320 get upset.

00:36:58.480 It's just a

00:36:59.260 feeling among

00:37:00.060 the entire school

00:37:01.400 that something is

00:37:03.000 dreadfully wrong.

00:37:04.540 And I think it's

00:37:05.900 all over the

00:37:06.940 country.

00:37:07.540 I think that you

00:37:08.380 hear a noise in

00:37:09.300 the hallway when

00:37:10.180 your class is

00:37:10.960 quiet and everyone's

00:37:12.340 head turns.

00:37:13.900 And with that

00:37:15.240 awareness, we

00:37:17.240 began talking.

00:37:18.580 The story of that

00:37:19.900 conversation has

00:37:20.840 two parts.

00:37:22.180 The content, the

00:37:23.120 stuff that was

00:37:23.660 said, and then

00:37:24.980 the impact, what

00:37:26.580 happened because of

00:37:27.820 what was said.

00:37:29.280 So, content.

00:37:30.940 As we searched for

00:37:31.920 the list for almost

00:37:32.880 four hours, I'd like

00:37:34.620 to share with you the

00:37:35.680 three biggest impediments

00:37:37.140 we came up against.

00:37:38.720 Because in this new

00:37:39.920 era of communicating

00:37:41.260 and communication, I

00:37:43.280 think they're worth

00:37:43.840 considering.

00:37:45.220 Remember, same

00:37:46.820 children, same

00:37:48.340 goal.

00:37:50.260 Impediment number

00:37:51.220 one.

00:37:52.080 Opinions outnumber

00:37:53.680 people.

00:37:54.880 I soon realized that

00:37:56.540 in this age of

00:37:57.580 unlimited access to

00:37:58.840 opinions, that

00:37:59.940 although there were

00:38:00.580 seven people physically

00:38:01.940 sitting around me,

00:38:03.280 there were many more

00:38:04.580 opinions and voices

00:38:05.680 brought into our

00:38:06.620 conversation.

00:38:07.160 Listen to the

00:38:08.420 following exchange

00:38:09.220 between two mothers,

00:38:10.640 Anna, a progressive,

00:38:12.160 and Mona, a

00:38:13.300 Christian conservative,

00:38:14.620 and see how many

00:38:16.220 people's opinions and

00:38:17.680 perspectives are brought

00:38:18.720 into the mix other

00:38:20.100 than their own.

00:38:21.180 From my side, what I

00:38:22.640 hear is, oh, don't

00:38:25.360 infringe on any of my

00:38:26.380 rights, and I don't 0.98

00:38:27.720 want any restrictions

00:38:28.640 on myself.

00:38:30.180 And it's kind of, and

00:38:31.200 I'm not saying this is

00:38:31.900 what you want, but this

00:38:32.600 is kind of the debate

00:38:33.500 that's been in place.

00:38:35.220 And it's kind of like,

00:38:36.120 come on, there are

00:38:37.660 reasonable ideas we

00:38:39.380 can come up with that's

00:38:40.880 not going to

00:38:41.620 inconvenience you.

00:38:42.960 And you're right,

00:38:44.400 there are probably

00:38:45.260 solutions there, and

00:38:46.920 you're reasonable, but

00:38:48.660 the leaders of your

00:38:50.200 movement are not

00:38:51.160 reasonable.

00:38:51.860 That's actually...

00:38:52.800 Why is it that when

00:38:53.540 there's a school

00:38:54.480 shooting or a mass

00:38:55.600 shooting someplace, the

00:38:57.180 first thing we hear is

00:39:00.020 we need gun control,

00:39:01.820 and the NRA is the

00:39:02.880 bad guy.

00:39:03.320 Bad guy.

00:39:03.840 Bad guy.

00:39:06.120 So many other

00:39:08.160 opinions and voices,

00:39:09.740 most of them extreme,

00:39:11.220 jumped right into our

00:39:12.280 conversation on minute

00:39:13.400 39.

00:39:14.920 Everything was heightened

00:39:16.140 from the get-go.

00:39:17.880 Denise, our firearms

00:39:19.060 instructor, who almost

00:39:20.140 missed the round table

00:39:20.940 because she had food

00:39:21.620 poisoning, speaks about

00:39:23.120 the problem with letting

00:39:24.460 other people speak for

00:39:25.900 us.

00:39:26.320 The inflammatory, super,

00:39:28.940 you know, agitators that

00:39:30.780 are being the talking

00:39:31.820 heads on the media,

00:39:32.920 speaking for you,

00:39:33.840 speaking for me,

00:39:34.660 that kind of craziness

00:39:36.820 does not represent me.

00:39:38.620 And I would like to

00:39:39.320 think that, you know,

00:39:40.240 when I see these

00:39:41.260 ultra-liberal, you know,

00:39:42.780 screaming about all this

00:39:43.720 stuff and calling people

00:39:45.720 like me gun nuts and all

00:39:47.020 that, I would like to

00:39:47.880 think that that's not

00:39:48.640 representative of you.

00:39:49.740 So how do we solve that

00:39:51.040 problem with getting

00:39:52.420 these people to stop

00:39:53.860 being the ones that are

00:39:54.800 out there trying to

00:39:55.680 send a message because

00:39:56.820 it's, for me, I think

00:39:58.220 it's the wrong one and

00:39:59.740 it's not productive.

00:40:01.480 I became aware very

00:40:02.960 quickly that it's almost

00:40:04.180 impossible to have a

00:40:05.880 productive conversation

00:40:06.980 with so many other

00:40:08.600 voices referenced and

00:40:10.100 repeated.

00:40:11.320 How could I get each

00:40:12.340 person just to speak

00:40:13.740 for themself?

00:40:15.840 We'd get there, but it

00:40:17.660 would take a while.

00:40:18.540 For me, one of the most

00:40:19.660 eye-opening things, and

00:40:21.340 I think it was the same

00:40:22.160 for you, and you had

00:40:24.120 asked me something

00:40:24.980 about why had I said

00:40:28.520 the things that I had

00:40:29.680 said about President

00:40:30.680 Obama, and it wasn't

00:40:32.060 the inflammatory stuff.

00:40:33.820 It was, why did you

00:40:35.440 think he was so bad, or

00:40:36.840 why did you think that

00:40:37.780 administration was so

00:40:38.580 bad?

00:40:39.460 And I gave you several

00:40:41.340 stories, and I remember

00:40:43.000 going up with the

00:40:43.460 chalkboard, and I said

00:40:44.140 there was this story.

00:40:44.920 Did you know about it?

00:40:45.580 Yeah, yeah.

00:40:45.760 This story.

00:40:46.600 This story.

00:40:47.060 Never heard of any of

00:40:47.720 them.

00:40:47.840 You'd never heard of any

00:40:49.140 of them.

00:40:49.460 Never heard of any of

00:40:49.740 them.

00:40:49.900 And that was the

00:40:51.000 beginning of my

00:40:51.880 awareness of how

00:40:53.080 loud and separate

00:40:54.360 these echo chambers

00:40:55.120 are.

00:40:55.580 That was the moment I

00:40:56.420 was like, oh no,

00:40:57.060 people, we think they

00:40:58.340 know things.

00:40:58.960 We think they hear

00:40:59.760 things.

00:41:00.180 They don't.

00:41:00.580 They don't.

00:41:01.100 And you know what?

00:41:01.720 Because of that

00:41:02.520 moment, I redoubled my

00:41:04.240 efforts to read.

00:41:06.140 There are many times

00:41:07.200 that I'll hear people

00:41:08.040 say, well, you won't

00:41:09.280 find that in the times.

00:41:10.280 Actually, yes, that's

00:41:11.960 exactly where I found

00:41:12.980 it.

00:41:13.180 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:41:13.760 You know what I

00:41:14.120 mean?

00:41:14.920 And so, when we talk

00:41:16.160 about the problems, we

00:41:17.580 have those in common.

00:41:19.200 That whether it's

00:41:20.000 keeping our children

00:41:20.860 safe, whether it's

00:41:21.700 drugs, whether it's

00:41:22.520 the weaponization of

00:41:23.720 information, those are

00:41:24.760 big problems that we

00:41:26.000 need to discuss.

00:41:26.920 But the in-person

00:41:28.420 quality of it has to

00:41:29.940 happen because

00:41:30.960 otherwise we're posting

00:41:32.540 these awkward, awkward

00:41:33.740 things.

00:41:34.140 Even though it got

00:41:34.760 hot.

00:41:37.120 It's difficult to

00:41:38.240 come up with a

00:41:38.940 solution where one

00:41:40.460 side doesn't want to

00:41:42.020 talk about guns at

00:41:42.940 all.

00:41:43.320 And I'm sure you guys

00:41:44.100 think that's all we

00:41:45.080 want to talk about is

00:41:46.280 I want to come take

00:41:47.420 away your guns.

00:41:48.020 And that's not the

00:41:48.800 case.

00:41:49.600 Impediment number

00:41:50.180 two.

00:41:51.220 We can't hear all

00:41:52.680 the options.

00:41:55.060 Potential solutions

00:41:55.920 may already be on

00:41:57.280 the table, but we

00:41:58.500 aren't even hearing

00:41:59.540 each other.

00:42:00.700 This exchange between

00:42:01.640 Anna, our progressive

00:42:02.700 mother, and Chad, a

00:42:04.540 libertarian father,

00:42:05.580 shows this phenomenon.

00:42:07.420 All we're trying to

00:42:08.660 see is what

00:42:10.120 reasonable measures

00:42:11.380 are you all willing

00:42:14.000 to agree to to help

00:42:16.460 solve this problem?

00:42:18.020 and to really solve

00:42:19.600 this?

00:42:20.340 And what steps are

00:42:21.660 you willing to take?

00:42:22.680 But I'm not sure.

00:42:23.500 I'm willing to sign

00:42:24.120 on to the NRA's

00:42:25.280 Project Exile, which

00:42:26.400 has worked very well

00:42:27.320 in Virginia.

00:42:29.020 So what was Anna's

00:42:30.180 response to Project

00:42:31.140 Exile?

00:42:31.880 What is that, sir?

00:42:32.880 I don't know.

00:42:33.540 Project Exile?

00:42:34.580 Oh, committing, you

00:42:35.360 committed gun crime,

00:42:36.920 mandatory sentencing,

00:42:38.560 you go to the top of

00:42:39.540 the rocket docket

00:42:40.480 for prosecution.

00:42:42.460 A practical, tangible

00:42:44.140 solution, already on

00:42:45.700 the table, never heard

00:42:47.360 of it.

00:42:48.080 But wait, this wasn't a

00:42:49.320 one-way phenomenon.

00:42:50.980 Soon after, Mona, our

00:42:52.280 mother of three teenage

00:42:53.160 boys, was explaining how

00:42:54.660 her sons and their peers

00:42:55.860 can sense when a

00:42:57.360 classmate may pose a

00:42:58.420 threat.

00:42:58.840 And they're called

00:42:59.360 school shooters.

00:43:00.440 Oh yeah, he's a school

00:43:01.100 shooter.

00:43:01.600 She's a school shooter. 1.00

00:43:02.940 They've got that label

00:43:04.060 because everybody knows

00:43:05.900 who is capable of doing

00:43:07.520 that.

00:43:07.880 And the response from

00:43:23.400 Alicia, our teacher in

00:43:24.560 the room, who had

00:43:25.440 literally just been

00:43:26.560 talking about kids

00:43:27.500 exhibiting red flags,

00:43:29.120 had this to say about

00:43:29.940 the idea.

00:43:33.080 How is that even

00:43:34.140 possible?

00:43:34.980 On my side, I hear

00:43:36.000 the term red flag laws

00:43:37.160 almost daily in

00:43:38.240 campaign ads.

00:43:39.400 But Alicia lives in a 0.99

00:43:40.320 different state and

00:43:41.420 gets different ads.

00:43:43.840 Again, it's not about

00:43:45.240 whether you think either

00:43:46.260 of the ideas are good

00:43:47.220 ones or bad ones.

00:43:48.200 It's about the fact the

00:43:49.160 other side has never

00:43:50.100 even heard of them.

00:43:52.620 When we're talking about

00:43:53.760 trying to protect our

00:43:54.760 kids, shouldn't every

00:43:56.080 idea be considered?

00:43:59.060 Embediment number

00:43:59.800 three, either or

00:44:01.320 thinking.

00:44:02.300 This is another

00:44:03.160 exchange that fascinated

00:44:04.360 me between Anna, our

00:44:05.720 progressive mother, and

00:44:06.980 Mona, who identifies as a

00:44:08.340 Christian conservative,

00:44:09.640 about what each of us can

00:44:10.780 do now to help keep our

00:44:12.740 children safer.

00:44:14.140 I know from my side is,

00:44:15.900 you know, reaching out to

00:44:17.100 my legislators and saying,

00:44:18.400 this is what I want.

00:44:19.380 And if the legislators

00:44:20.280 refuse to take action,

00:44:21.640 it's helping to elect

00:44:22.900 people who will, who are

00:44:24.020 more in line with those

00:44:25.240 thoughts.

00:44:25.860 And perhaps on your side,

00:44:27.820 you can do the same.

00:44:29.140 But we all have a part to

00:44:30.580 play in this.

00:44:31.660 And first is making our

00:44:33.760 voices heard.

00:44:34.440 It might be futile, but

00:44:36.060 that's one step we can all

00:44:37.300 take.

00:44:38.040 But if we started even one

00:44:40.660 step, I can't find the

00:44:43.220 right word, once to take

00:44:44.560 one step back and start at a

00:44:45.760 community level instead of

00:44:47.160 relying on our legislators to

00:44:48.720 fix this problem.

00:44:49.460 So you go into the schools and

00:44:51.080 you say to your principal, I'm a

00:44:52.860 retired Marine and my two kids

00:44:55.240 go to this school and I really

00:44:56.740 want to help keep this building

00:44:58.520 secure.

00:44:59.040 This is all I can do.

00:44:59.920 I can only work within the

00:45:01.180 confines of my life and my

00:45:02.580 time, but I'm a parent here.

00:45:04.520 I have expertise.

00:45:05.560 I want to do something.

00:45:06.960 How can we gather the parents

00:45:08.480 in this school to help

00:45:09.780 fortify the build?

00:45:10.700 I think there probably there's

00:45:12.240 so many restrictions and

00:45:14.180 issues against.

00:45:15.060 I mean, I don't know.

00:45:15.740 I'm not involved in the school

00:45:16.860 system, but.

00:45:18.260 Two approaches both felt

00:45:19.720 valid and worthwhile to me.

00:45:21.480 But in that moment, it felt

00:45:22.900 very either or and a little

00:45:25.520 dismissive.

00:45:26.460 And this happened a lot,

00:45:28.260 jumping back and forth between

00:45:30.060 opposing ideas as opposed to

00:45:32.100 spending time discussing

00:45:33.320 integrating them or combining

00:45:35.360 the approaches.

00:45:36.340 And I just hope that the divide

00:45:38.420 over the first approach, the

00:45:39.880 constant fight over election

00:45:41.760 day doesn't demonize us so

00:45:43.900 much that we aren't able to

00:45:45.640 work together on the second

00:45:46.860 community level approach.

00:45:48.640 We need both, not either or.

00:45:51.720 So those three impediments,

00:45:53.840 opinions outnumbering people,

00:45:55.100 not hearing all the options

00:45:56.800 and either or thinking were

00:45:59.060 our biggest obstacles as we

00:46:00.940 searched together for my list.

00:46:04.020 And as we talked.

00:46:05.380 Well, you have to get to see

00:46:06.480 they have to be their mental 0.58

00:46:07.880 health as well.

00:46:09.300 And talked.

00:46:10.760 Yeah, I think I think that

00:46:11.840 has to be part of the danger.

00:46:14.780 We just kept running up

00:46:16.720 against them.

00:46:17.960 But then also you can't.

00:46:19.280 Who said that?

00:46:20.040 Well, the danger is the child.

00:46:22.080 And never got around them.

00:46:24.340 If there are weapons that he

00:46:25.880 could then use to act out.

00:46:27.500 So let's take out all the

00:46:28.340 knives out of the kitchen too

00:46:29.660 and remove the cars from

00:46:31.300 the parents too.

00:46:32.100 If I can finish too.

00:46:32.980 In the room, hour after hour,

00:46:34.840 it was tense, defensive and

00:46:36.160 hot.

00:46:37.040 The air conditioning wasn't

00:46:38.120 working and my premise

00:46:38.920 wasn't working.

00:46:40.120 And I feel like that's what

00:46:41.160 happens a lot.

00:46:42.280 Both sides, every time.

00:46:44.580 Somebody gives an example.

00:46:46.500 Somebody else tells you why

00:46:47.360 that example is not going to

00:46:48.460 work for them specifically.

00:46:49.980 And then it turns into a

00:46:51.260 different conversation.

00:46:51.980 My stupid list was only

00:46:54.220 making us more frustrated

00:46:55.680 the more we couldn't find it.

00:46:57.340 Because although there were

00:46:58.440 so many moments of

00:46:59.400 connection, it was the

00:47:00.720 moments of disconnect that

00:47:02.240 controlled the mood of the

00:47:03.300 room.

00:47:04.360 We already have the laws on

00:47:06.460 the books for exact...

00:47:07.920 We do not.

00:47:08.900 We do not.

00:47:09.780 There are loopholes in the

00:47:10.440 loopholes.

00:47:10.460 But you see, there's 25,000

00:47:12.040 of them and you're willing to

00:47:13.220 let all of those go just for

00:47:15.220 your point.

00:47:16.740 And then it happened.

00:47:18.260 The moment I had been

00:47:19.440 fearing, we reached it.

00:47:22.660 Now, are you willing to put

00:47:24.300 some...

00:47:24.680 No.

00:47:25.680 You didn't even hear that

00:47:26.940 in a second.

00:47:28.560 That's...

00:47:29.040 That's...

00:47:29.120 That's the impasse.

00:47:30.880 Because you're not even

00:47:31.940 willing to listen.

00:47:32.960 No.

00:47:33.860 The impasse.

00:47:35.900 Soon after, Anna summed up

00:47:37.820 how a lot of us were

00:47:38.600 feeling.

00:47:39.360 Coming in here, I...

00:47:41.000 I thought our chances of

00:47:42.480 getting a list together was...

00:47:44.900 I was more optimistic.

00:47:46.800 You know, I see why we are

00:47:48.420 where we are today.

00:47:49.860 It's...

00:47:50.140 It's this sort of, you know,

00:47:52.600 impasse.

00:47:53.620 The conversation ended

00:47:54.800 shortly after.

00:47:55.780 We all said goodbye.

00:47:57.380 And I sat in the room alone

00:47:58.440 and texted my husband

00:47:59.360 two words.

00:48:00.900 It failed.

00:48:03.020 I could not get the enemy

00:48:04.800 lines to go away in that

00:48:06.640 room, even for a little

00:48:08.620 while.

00:48:10.120 But I was wrong.

00:48:12.080 There's content.

00:48:13.800 And then there's impact.

00:48:15.480 How surprised were you

00:48:17.260 that this fell apart?

00:48:21.020 Because to me,

00:48:23.080 that's where they all end.

00:48:24.600 Right there.

00:48:25.260 Yes.

00:48:25.920 I was not just shocked,

00:48:28.220 but personally gutted.

00:48:30.140 Why?

00:48:30.300 Because I had found

00:48:30.840 all these people

00:48:31.540 and with the best of

00:48:33.240 intentions, I had said,

00:48:34.160 look out there in the world,

00:48:35.220 no one's talking.

00:48:36.080 Let's try and create this

00:48:37.000 environment with the seven of

00:48:38.060 us that we can go past that.

00:48:41.080 We will know each other.

00:48:42.060 You're all good people.

00:48:42.860 And I could not believe that

00:48:45.200 with all that prep of them

00:48:46.560 coming in, that the guards

00:48:48.880 went up and it disintegrated.

00:48:51.120 It's not the seven people.

00:48:53.640 It's all of the voices that

00:48:56.180 are in each of their heads

00:48:57.780 that they're all battling.

00:48:59.100 I understand why he said what

00:49:01.040 he said and cut her off.

00:49:02.360 And it has nothing to do with

00:49:04.600 the people in that room.

00:49:05.920 Exactly.

00:49:06.280 The people in that room could

00:49:08.440 compromise.

00:49:09.440 Could potentially, hypothetically.

00:49:11.140 Yes.

00:49:11.500 Yes.

00:49:11.720 And so if they, if that was

00:49:13.860 their community and it was

00:49:15.340 only about them, they could

00:49:17.340 come up with it.

00:49:18.480 The next day, I honestly

00:49:21.720 couldn't get out of bed.

00:49:22.680 And when I looked at my phone,

00:49:24.260 there were this flurry of texts

00:49:25.560 and emails from other people

00:49:26.920 in the room saying, how did we

00:49:28.900 miss?

00:49:29.340 We all tried.

00:49:30.420 We missed.

00:49:31.100 So what'd you find out?

00:49:32.680 Well, what was interesting was

00:49:33.900 that one of the texts was an

00:49:35.140 invitation from Denise, our

00:49:36.780 firearms instructor, to to Anna,

00:49:39.600 our progressive activist mother,

00:49:40.820 saying, do you want to continue

00:49:42.660 the conversation?

00:49:43.300 Why don't you come down to the

00:49:44.340 shooting range and we can?

00:49:46.280 And so I conveyed this and Anna

00:49:48.160 accepted in a second.

00:49:49.380 I was shocked.

00:49:50.300 And so the next day, this

00:49:52.200 progressive activist went to the

00:49:53.860 shooting range at the base of the

00:49:55.800 NRA's building to continue the

00:49:57.580 conversation with this firearms

00:49:58.600 trainer.

00:49:58.960 And that's where we go now.

00:50:02.240 Of course, I'm going to take out an

00:50:03.300 AR-15.

00:50:04.080 OK.

00:50:04.420 OK.

00:50:04.700 I'm ready to try out.

00:50:05.420 Sure.

00:50:06.140 And I'm also going to start you off

00:50:07.780 on a .22 semi-automatic handgun.

00:50:10.360 Very low recoil.

00:50:11.960 OK.

00:50:12.320 And as I somewhat nervously watched

00:50:14.200 them engage each other one-on-one,

00:50:16.160 the memory of their interaction from

00:50:17.740 not even 48 hours prior was still

00:50:19.820 pretty fresh.

00:50:20.480 Let's take out all the knives out of

00:50:24.320 the kitchen, too, and still not

00:50:26.100 remove the cars from the parents,

00:50:27.640 too.

00:50:28.240 I think that has to be part of it.

00:50:29.600 Let's remove the guns out of the

00:50:30.800 house.

00:50:32.200 They began this new conversation

00:50:33.600 with basics.

00:50:35.140 So how do you take the safety off?

00:50:37.060 Because they say keep the safety on

00:50:38.580 and then take it off.

00:50:39.060 So if it has, it depends on the

00:50:41.860 specific type of firearms.

00:50:43.300 So this one.

00:50:45.440 And then they started talking more

00:50:46.900 specifics.

00:50:47.860 This is Denise explaining some of the

00:50:49.920 existing gun laws that don't make 0.60

00:50:51.580 sense.

00:50:52.900 So if someone were to hold this like

00:50:54.800 this and put it up against their

00:50:56.140 shoulder, well, you're now shooting

00:50:57.720 it like a rifle.

00:50:58.860 So now you're in violation of the

00:51:00.380 law and you're technically a felon.

00:51:02.500 Why would there be an issue if you're

00:51:03.860 holding it as a rifle?

00:51:05.100 Why would it be considered illegal?

00:51:07.340 Because now the one of the pieces

00:51:10.080 is not registered as a rifle.

00:51:11.960 You didn't purchase it as such.

00:51:13.800 So if you purchased it as a pistol and

00:51:16.320 now you're shooting it as a rifle, they're

00:51:18.180 saying that now you're in violation

00:51:19.740 of the law.

00:51:20.680 Again, complete makes absolutely no

00:51:23.280 sense.

00:51:24.680 And then this happened as they were

00:51:26.640 talking about bullets.

00:51:29.220 Extremely much larger bullet, tons more

00:51:31.360 powder.

00:51:32.400 This is a 308.

00:51:34.080 So that's a typical hunting round.

00:51:36.180 So you can just see the difference in

00:51:38.460 the power and penetration between the

00:51:40.220 bullets and the amount of powder that

00:51:41.620 goes in them.

00:51:42.560 So size does matter.

00:51:44.060 I love that.

00:51:46.360 And as they giggled over a size joke,

00:51:52.900 that was it.

00:51:54.320 The enemy lines weren't there anymore

00:51:56.620 between them.

00:51:58.040 It was no longer us versus them, Anna

00:52:00.760 versus Denise. 1.00

00:52:02.260 They were on the same side, just two

00:52:04.060 people trying to figure something out.

00:52:07.020 They had connected.

00:52:07.940 All right, let's go shoot some guns. 0.98

00:52:11.460 This is Anna, coached by Denise through

00:52:14.220 her first shot.

00:52:14.880 A little higher there.

00:52:16.660 Nice.

00:52:17.460 Take your sights.

00:52:19.900 Shoulders forward.

00:52:21.600 Focus on that front side.

00:52:24.300 Slow, steady.

00:52:28.460 Good.

00:52:29.780 Finger off.

00:52:31.880 Good job.

00:52:32.760 And for the record, her shot was just

00:52:36.260 off the bullseye.

00:52:37.960 And afterwards, they started talking

00:52:39.500 specifics again.

00:52:41.000 But there was a willingness to work

00:52:42.340 together and limit the number of

00:52:44.160 opinions to their own.

00:52:45.780 So it's like, OK, rather than you and

00:52:47.440 I like meeting in the parking lot and

00:52:49.120 purchasing the gun or wherever, let's

00:52:51.340 go to the license dealer, run a

00:52:53.020 background check on me to make sure,

00:52:54.680 you know, that I'm not a felon.

00:52:56.140 I don't have a history of domestic

00:52:57.320 violence, et cetera.

00:52:58.800 And then just hand the gun off in

00:53:00.300 that sense.

00:53:00.840 So it's not a big argument with that

00:53:03.140 is going to be that we're

00:53:04.640 we're guilty until proven

00:53:07.060 innocent.

00:53:07.880 You know what I mean?

00:53:08.980 I'm not 100 percent against it

00:53:10.660 because I that's pretty much how I

00:53:12.880 do things now.

00:53:13.860 I'm just saying I

00:53:15.520 I'm like 80 percent there.

00:53:20.400 If that makes sense.

00:53:21.220 I mean, I'll bring you over.

00:53:24.140 To repeat, Denise says I'm 80 percent

00:53:26.920 there.

00:53:27.700 Anna excitedly responds by saying

00:53:29.480 I'll bring you over.

00:53:30.840 But it's what Denise says next

00:53:32.940 that got me.

00:53:34.260 Or you come 80, I come 80, we

00:53:35.800 figure out somewhere.

00:53:36.560 I love that.

00:53:40.340 You come 80, I come 80, and we

00:53:43.520 figure out somewhere in the middle.

00:53:45.720 One on one, there was a personal

00:53:47.100 connection now.

00:53:49.200 Anna, who just the other night

00:53:50.740 felt so hopeless.

00:53:52.340 You know, I see why we are where

00:53:54.040 we are today.

00:53:55.260 It's this sort of, you know,

00:53:58.040 impasse.

00:53:58.520 Now, not even 48 hours later,

00:54:01.740 had this to say.

00:54:03.240 We're really, on most of it,

00:54:05.180 like 80 percent of it,

00:54:06.620 we're all on the same side,

00:54:07.960 like, of the issue.

00:54:08.980 It's just we may be speaking

00:54:10.140 with different language.

00:54:11.440 There's nuance.

00:54:12.940 And how do we understand

00:54:14.580 someone's different language

00:54:15.800 and nuance?

00:54:17.160 By spending time with them

00:54:18.620 in person.

00:54:20.700 This is how Anna felt when I spoke

00:54:22.740 with her a few weeks later.

00:54:23.780 To come back and to sort of

00:54:25.620 have formed some sort of a bond

00:54:27.540 with the, you know,

00:54:28.680 someone who works with the NRA

00:54:30.280 as their top trainer and stuff,

00:54:32.060 I mean, that was a refreshing

00:54:33.560 surprise.

00:54:35.540 And that sort of,

00:54:36.240 thank God for that.

00:54:37.720 Because that sort of gave me

00:54:39.400 a glimmer of hope that,

00:54:40.680 okay, we can come to some sort

00:54:43.160 of an agreement.

00:54:44.160 The problem isn't always

00:54:45.780 the other person.

00:54:47.060 The problem isn't always

00:54:48.320 the other side.

00:54:49.760 Denise explained how this shifted. 0.88

00:54:51.140 For you two to come out

00:54:52.440 to the range with me,

00:54:53.460 just putting your toes

00:54:56.400 in the world of another person

00:54:58.300 and understanding it

00:54:59.800 and actually getting to see it

00:55:01.080 were not the problem.

00:55:02.880 Weeks later,

00:55:04.020 Denise and I spoke about

00:55:05.080 her perspective on America

00:55:06.440 after our time together.

00:55:07.920 It's just a very combative,

00:55:09.720 you know,

00:55:11.240 very argumentative environment.

00:55:13.140 And it doesn't have to be.

00:55:14.420 It doesn't have to be.

00:55:15.580 You know, you can agree

00:55:16.620 to disagree on things,

00:55:17.880 but, you know,

00:55:18.980 like what you're trying to do,

00:55:19.980 you find some things

00:55:20.700 that you do agree on

00:55:21.720 and I don't think

00:55:22.420 that it is that hard.

00:55:24.420 It isn't that hard.

00:55:26.480 So the question remained,

00:55:28.580 how did we get to this point

00:55:30.740 of connection and optimism?

00:55:33.000 What had happened in the room

00:55:34.520 during the conversation

00:55:35.480 with The Seven

00:55:36.100 that had prompted Denise

00:55:38.080 to want to reach out to Anna

00:55:40.080 and invite her to the gun range

00:55:41.680 in the first place?

00:55:43.240 It's like just people being open.

00:55:45.260 I think it's the first step too.

00:55:46.400 That's what's important.

00:55:47.660 That's why I appreciated

00:55:48.760 talking the other night.

00:55:50.040 Yeah, well, thank you.

00:55:51.180 Because I know there were others

00:55:52.580 who were not so open

00:55:54.380 to see the side.

00:55:56.320 And it was just,

00:55:57.220 I know,

00:55:57.620 one night just...

00:55:58.400 It was frustrating on both sides.

00:55:59.380 Was it?

00:55:59.840 Yeah.

00:56:00.720 Did you feel that?

00:56:02.540 I mean, that's why

00:56:03.480 I started defending her.

00:56:04.480 I was getting pissed, so...

00:56:07.100 Defending her?

00:56:08.800 That's right.

00:56:10.380 The moment of impasse.

00:56:12.480 Now, are you willing

00:56:13.320 to put some...

00:56:14.600 No.

00:56:15.600 You didn't even hear that.

00:56:18.500 That's...

00:56:18.940 You can't do that.

00:56:19.480 That's the impasse.

00:56:20.880 Because you're not even

00:56:21.860 willing to listen.

00:56:22.840 No.

00:56:24.340 Remember when I said

00:56:25.540 there was more in that moment

00:56:26.800 than I had realized?

00:56:28.080 There's Denise

00:56:28.760 defending Anna 0.97

00:56:30.140 by saying,

00:56:31.220 you can't do that to her.

00:56:32.480 You can't do that.

00:56:33.040 That's the impasse.

00:56:34.560 So what happened

00:56:35.260 in that moment?

00:56:36.060 I asked Denise later. 0.91

00:56:37.100 I just felt very angry

00:56:39.000 that someone

00:56:39.860 that was supposed

00:56:40.880 to be sharing

00:56:42.440 my point of view

00:56:43.300 and my perspective

00:56:44.100 was being blatantly

00:56:45.460 disrespectful,

00:56:47.040 completely shut off

00:56:48.620 to a human being

00:56:49.480 sitting next to me.

00:56:50.980 Honestly,

00:56:51.720 just like,

00:56:52.180 I needed to defend her.

00:56:54.660 Whether she was

00:56:55.720 on my side,

00:56:56.520 their side,

00:56:57.160 it didn't matter.

00:56:59.340 In that moment,

00:57:00.780 the moment of impasse,

00:57:02.220 the enemy lines

00:57:03.100 had actually shifted.

00:57:04.960 Someone on the complete

00:57:05.860 opposite end

00:57:06.600 of the issue

00:57:07.160 became an ally

00:57:08.260 to Denise

00:57:08.860 when there was

00:57:09.660 a greater obstacle

00:57:10.740 to overcome.

00:57:12.840 What greater obstacle?

00:57:14.700 So I went back

00:57:15.360 to the audio

00:57:15.840 of the round table

00:57:16.600 and listened to it.

00:57:17.720 Eight, four,

00:57:18.600 you got a shotgun

00:57:19.100 in the closet.

00:57:19.880 Six, don't infringe

00:57:20.940 on any of my rights.

00:57:22.240 Three, not reasonable.

00:57:23.280 Difficult.

00:57:23.860 Ten or one.

00:57:24.940 And there it was.

00:57:25.880 One.

00:57:26.480 Again and again,

00:57:27.560 the obstacle to consensus

00:57:28.860 so many of the times

00:57:30.180 was the same person.

00:57:31.760 Rick.

00:57:32.680 Now, are you willing

00:57:33.460 to put some reason

00:57:34.900 No.

00:57:35.340 The E. 0.61

00:57:35.740 No.

00:57:36.600 It wasn't his ideas.

00:57:38.260 The majority of the room

00:57:39.180 shared his ideas

00:57:39.840 on, well,

00:57:40.280 pretty much everything.

00:57:41.360 It was his approach

00:57:42.440 to the conversation.

00:57:44.100 He became

00:57:44.740 the greater obstacle.

00:57:46.840 Many times,

00:57:47.640 we would all agree

00:57:48.460 to an idea,

00:57:49.220 but in going around

00:57:49.940 the room for consensus,

00:57:51.020 we'd hit the block.

00:57:51.660 Is that fair

00:57:52.260 for everyone around?

00:57:53.240 Yes.

00:57:54.240 But the problem is...

00:57:55.660 Ugh.

00:57:57.440 That one became close.

00:57:59.680 Here I am

00:58:00.240 in hour two

00:58:00.840 anticipating his block

00:58:02.220 to a new idea,

00:58:03.380 a role I think

00:58:04.120 he knew he was playing.

00:58:05.540 Thoughts about that?

00:58:07.540 What are you looking

00:58:08.260 for?

00:58:10.080 In hour three,

00:58:11.220 here I am again.

00:58:12.260 And I'm asking you

00:58:12.760 specifically because

00:58:13.500 you're my nemesis right now.

00:58:16.180 And then this happened.

00:58:17.760 Now, are you willing

00:58:18.560 to put some reason

00:58:19.980 No.

00:58:20.400 The E. 0.61

00:58:21.760 It wasn't the content

00:58:23.400 of what he was saying.

00:58:25.200 It was the way

00:58:26.060 he was saying it.

00:58:27.480 The intention behind it.

00:58:29.340 And that was because

00:58:30.540 of his number.

00:58:31.500 The number he had

00:58:33.680 walking in.

00:58:34.980 Eight,

00:58:35.660 four,

00:58:37.160 six,

00:58:38.280 three,

00:58:39.600 ten,

00:58:40.100 ten or one?

00:58:40.860 Ten.

00:58:41.160 One.

00:58:41.840 Remember those numbers?

00:58:43.440 As the sound guy

00:58:44.540 was setting up,

00:58:45.500 as people were sitting down

00:58:46.760 and sipping their water

00:58:47.560 nervously,

00:58:48.340 I wondered how could

00:58:49.260 I measure

00:58:49.920 the degree of hope

00:58:51.480 that they were bringing

00:58:52.380 to this round table?

00:58:53.880 How could I gauge

00:58:54.960 their commitment

00:58:55.800 to finding my list?

00:58:57.660 So just as audio

00:58:58.860 started recording,

00:58:59.700 you hear me ask them.

00:59:01.260 How do you think

00:59:01.940 it is likely,

00:59:02.600 one to ten,

00:59:03.300 of finding some sort

00:59:04.480 of consensus?

00:59:05.280 Some sort of...

00:59:05.680 Just us.

00:59:06.400 Just us.

00:59:07.000 Just us.

00:59:08.380 What do you honestly

00:59:09.240 believe and then

00:59:09.940 hand it to me?

00:59:12.200 Numbers were privately

00:59:13.360 passed to me

00:59:14.020 at the beginning

00:59:14.460 of the conversation

00:59:15.200 and never referred to again

00:59:16.920 until it was time

00:59:17.960 to leave three hours

00:59:18.920 and 46 minutes later.

00:59:21.320 Here is the actual moment

00:59:22.660 the conversation ended

00:59:23.820 and the numbers

00:59:24.880 are revealed.

00:59:26.300 You'll hear Rick

00:59:27.180 at the end.

00:59:28.280 It's tough.

00:59:28.740 It's a tough one.

00:59:30.660 Can't wait to see

00:59:31.380 where our numbers

00:59:31.940 come out.

00:59:32.760 What?

00:59:33.760 Yeah, I'm curious

00:59:34.440 to...

00:59:34.740 Yeah, I'm curious

00:59:35.280 to the numbers.

00:59:37.140 It was 8, 4, 6, 3, 10,

00:59:44.540 10 or 1?

00:59:45.300 10.

00:59:45.640 1.

00:59:46.040 1.

00:59:46.720 I thought it was a 1

00:59:47.440 but then there's a 0

00:59:48.060 right next to it.

00:59:48.720 9.

00:59:49.180 0 to 1.

00:59:50.300 That was your range.

00:59:51.280 0 to 1.

00:59:52.060 I said 1.

00:59:53.060 Interesting.

00:59:54.300 Rick was a 1.

00:59:55.680 We never had a chance.

01:00:00.900 In fact,

01:00:01.760 the next day

01:00:02.700 he sent me an email

01:00:03.620 saying,

01:00:04.200 quote,

01:00:04.740 Riaz,

01:00:05.160 I think this was

01:00:05.720 a good cause

01:00:06.280 but the impasse

01:00:07.000 is far too wide

01:00:07.880 a chasm to be crossed.

01:00:09.440 End quote.

01:00:11.600 A 1 will always 1.00

01:00:13.320 diminish the hope

01:00:14.440 in any given room

01:00:15.500 just the way

01:00:16.560 that negativity

01:00:17.300 lately overwhelms

01:00:18.720 whatever true hope

01:00:19.880 there is out there.

01:00:20.860 We have all been a Rick

01:00:22.340 for whatever reason

01:00:23.800 or whatever mood

01:00:24.640 we've all been

01:00:25.800 that person.

01:00:27.640 But a 1

01:00:28.360 is a very powerful thing

01:00:30.340 especially

01:00:30.980 in a very divided America.

01:00:34.000 So to me

01:00:34.540 the answer

01:00:35.720 for how do we move forward

01:00:37.660 and work together

01:00:39.240 to keep our children safer

01:00:41.540 is to be any number

01:00:44.080 greater than 1.

01:00:46.880 This is Denise

01:00:48.040 at the end of our roundtable.

01:00:50.240 Denise who went on

01:00:51.200 to open up her world

01:00:52.340 to show a fellow American

01:00:53.860 that she isn't a them. 0.99

01:00:55.960 Denise's number

01:00:56.720 is 8.

01:00:58.200 I'm loving sitting here

01:00:59.520 and like my heart

01:01:00.280 is going out

01:01:01.060 to each one of you

01:01:02.660 for your

01:01:03.500 you know

01:01:04.220 your viewpoints

01:01:05.460 and I understand it.

01:01:07.160 It may not be one

01:01:08.520 that I

01:01:09.320 you know

01:01:09.780 fully get on board

01:01:10.660 but I believe you

01:01:11.820 and I know

01:01:12.280 where you're coming from

01:01:13.360 and I appreciate that.

01:01:16.080 What's interesting is

01:01:17.240 Denise has been invited

01:01:18.640 by Anna

01:01:19.120 to attend

01:01:19.720 her progressive groups

01:01:20.620 and Anna

01:01:21.580 is taking

01:01:22.060 progressive moms

01:01:22.880 to the shooting range

01:01:24.000 at the NRA

01:01:24.540 to learn more.

01:01:25.900 Love it.

01:01:26.040 So the bridge

01:01:26.620 is there

01:01:27.360 the bridge starts

01:01:28.260 with just sitting

01:01:29.100 in the same room.

01:01:30.320 So Riaz 1.00

01:01:30.900 when I think about

01:01:32.000 coming to

01:01:32.860 a solution

01:01:33.600 in Washington

01:01:34.240 I'm a 0.

01:01:36.700 Mm-hmm.

01:01:37.760 When I think about

01:01:39.140 the American people

01:01:40.580 I'm an 8, 9.

01:01:45.380 It's funny

01:01:45.980 because the only thing

01:01:47.280 I said we never

01:01:48.380 got my list

01:01:48.840 I didn't say

01:01:49.220 there was nothing

01:01:49.800 we didn't agree on

01:01:50.520 the only thing

01:01:51.200 we all agreed on

01:01:52.320 was that we had

01:01:53.120 no faith

01:01:53.680 in the government

01:01:54.260 system that exists.

01:01:55.820 That was the only thing

01:01:57.180 the seven of us

01:01:58.060 all agreed on.

01:01:59.720 So I think

01:02:00.920 that is part

01:02:01.560 of the problem

01:02:02.040 and I think

01:02:03.180 the best progress

01:02:04.720 that we have

01:02:05.480 the best shot

01:02:06.120 we have

01:02:06.700 is one-on-one.

01:02:08.700 Thanks Riaz.

01:02:09.120 My pleasure.

01:02:10.080 I think you can see

01:02:10.940 in this episode

01:02:13.860 that outrage 0.83

01:02:15.860 stops us

01:02:16.520 from talking

01:02:17.020 to each other.

01:02:18.000 We don't trust each other

01:02:19.220 we don't believe

01:02:20.260 in one another

01:02:21.580 and we stop

01:02:23.980 using reason

01:02:24.900 we just block

01:02:26.300 and it always

01:02:27.340 ends the same way

01:02:28.540 which stops us

01:02:29.600 from doing

01:02:30.220 all of the things

01:02:31.020 that we can do.

01:02:32.480 We may never agree

01:02:33.280 on guns

01:02:34.040 but man

01:02:35.200 look at all the other

01:02:35.820 things that we can do.

01:02:37.660 If we can't get past

01:02:38.820 the outrage

01:02:39.520 if we can't find

01:02:40.700 our way

01:02:41.220 to talk to one another

01:02:42.660 and there are ways

01:02:44.240 as you're seeing in this

01:02:45.300 if we can't do that

01:02:47.100 we're finished.

01:02:49.080 So what's the plan?

01:02:50.920 What's the way

01:02:51.680 where we all win?

01:02:53.780 It's

01:02:54.180 Addicted to Outrage.

01:02:56.700 Find this book

01:02:57.840 and read this book

01:02:58.880 and share it

01:02:59.660 with a friend.

01:03:00.520 It was written

01:03:01.620 to be able to share

01:03:02.800 with somebody

01:03:03.640 just like the people

01:03:04.820 you're meeting now.

01:03:06.100 Addicted to Outrage

01:03:07.100 available in bookstores

01:03:08.420 and online

01:03:09.220 right now.

01:03:10.300 The Blaze Radio Network

01:03:11.700 On Demand

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The Glenn Beck Program - October 09, 2018

Best of the Program with Riaz Patel I 10⧸9⧸18

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