The Glenn Beck Program - Bonus： Glenn & Riaz Patel ｜ Gun Debate Extended Cut

00:00:00.000 hey buddy hey yes how are you i'm good how are you but this is kind of a buddy podcast

00:00:10.980 i want to introduce you to my buddy he hates the labels uh and so do i because i hate the

00:00:16.660 labels that you know i have you're a progressive gay muslim immigrant left-handed well i am too

00:00:24.180 hollywood producer yes um and there's no reason we should be friends no because of your labels

00:00:29.400 you are a conservative anti-gay anti-minority so you know what's amazing about that is 1.00

00:00:37.300 those labels that i gave you were actual things a part of you almost everything you said about me

00:00:43.740 was not true i was saying but i'm thinking about what before we met yes yes so i'm thinking about

00:00:47.820 before we met what i came in thinking you were right and we became good friends and we still

00:00:52.740 disagree on stuff many things but um we're good friends when we met things that you have said

00:00:58.900 change the way i see the country the world and i think there's real importance in having friends

00:01:05.120 having relationships with people who think completely differently from you because we are

00:01:09.080 in this situation now where it's us versus them yes and there is no them there shouldn't be because

00:01:14.100 i think it's us versus the problem whatever the problems are it's all of us on one side but the

00:01:19.220 more we demonize each other the more it feels like we're against each other and there's no nuance

00:01:23.920 there's no nuance it's either i'm absolutely right and you're absolutely wrong or you know

00:01:30.320 you're thinking that about me and this is kind of why we wanted to do this podcast so the premise is

00:01:35.100 simple can we look at the things that divide us in a way that from a different angle maybe a more

00:01:40.180 human perspective a more personal perspective that allows us to see the connections so i gave you

00:01:44.780 the impossible task see if you can have a reasonable conversation with people on all sides

00:01:50.740 about guns guns this this constant gun debate and the reason we chose guns because it seems like a

00:01:57.020 funny topic for the first one is that inspired by all these school shootings that have been happening

00:02:01.420 we all want the same thing we don't want the children to be harmed so knowing we all want the same

00:02:07.040 goal how do we work together to achieve that goal and so this journey of exploring how do real

00:02:13.640 americans engage with each other this whole thing started with the simplest simplest sounds

00:02:18.860 um because you're a father and i'm a father and so this whole thing started with these little voices

00:02:23.720 that's zara who's two pointing out that it's raining and that i need an umbrella 1.00

00:02:38.560 tenzing her little brother is one and agrees 0.92

00:02:42.460 generally speaking i am a liberal so this is the sound that the children of a liberal make

00:02:51.780 as they eat pieces of french toast before school

00:02:54.700 and this is the sound that the children of conservatives make as they eat their breakfast

00:03:03.300 soon our kids will intermingle and mix as we take them to school

00:03:10.600 and as they all say their highs i say my goodbye and sometimes not every time but sometimes when i leave

00:03:23.640 i think that thought please don't let anything bad happen here a thought i'm sure all parents have from time to time

00:03:35.360 but when a school shooting has happened instead of coming together to make sure it never happens again

00:03:44.000 we divide

00:03:45.080 shame

00:03:46.120 shame

00:03:47.040 they're ruining this country

00:03:48.120 jesus would not be holding those songs

00:03:49.720 he's carrying guns

00:03:50.580 cowards and in the pockets of the nra 0.97

00:03:53.960 and we demonize each other even more in the endless gun debates that follow

00:03:58.340 it's the guns stupid

00:03:59.740 freeloading them

00:04:01.000 democratic liberals

00:04:01.840 are much more concerned with the moral issues

00:04:05.800 they chip away at our rights a little bit at a time and we accept it and we accept it

00:04:10.400 and before long we won't have it

00:04:12.120 our approach to debating this is you don't support the second amendment and you support mass killings

00:04:17.160 and certainly there's something in the middle

00:04:19.120 but we all want the same exact thing

00:04:22.700 to keep all those french toast eating kids safe

00:04:26.360 so this was my question

00:04:29.260 in an increasingly divided america

00:04:31.980 how do we work together to achieve the same thing

00:04:35.220 keeping our children safe at school

00:04:37.600 so a few weeks ago i asked seven very different americans

00:04:42.400 to sit down with me and help me find an answer

00:04:45.520 and we did

00:04:47.300 we found an answer

00:04:49.520 but it wasn't at all what i thought it would be

00:04:52.740 the answer as it turns out to my complete surprise

00:04:56.240 is a single digit number

00:04:58.720 a number that was hastily written on a pink post-it note

00:05:02.780 and passed over to me with a handful of others

00:05:05.360 as part of a kind of warm-up exercise

00:05:08.100 as the seven were just sitting down to begin our conversation

00:05:11.280 as you hear me read all the numbers back to the group several weeks ago

00:05:15.720 six

00:05:16.140 three

00:05:16.960 ten

00:05:18.080 ten or one

00:05:19.020 one

00:05:19.660 keep in mind

00:05:21.300 one of them

00:05:22.380 is our answer forward

00:05:24.340 let me start by telling you about the seven

00:05:28.440 i am a high school teacher

00:05:30.500 mother of three boys

00:05:32.140 three teen boys

00:05:32.980 i am a firearms instructor

00:05:34.760 i was a police officer in arlington police in virginia for 37 years

00:05:39.360 i wanted their politics to be very very different

00:05:41.980 i would be probably considered a constitutional conservative

00:05:46.180 i find the older that i get the more progressive and liberal that i become

00:05:51.140 i am very much on on both sides

00:05:54.580 i always vote for the person that scares me the least

00:05:57.060 i even wanted their experiences and feelings about guns to be different

00:06:01.240 my stepdad was himself he had a shotgun in the closet

00:06:03.800 kids or not he had a shotgun in the closet

00:06:05.680 i'm a retired navy combat pilot

00:06:08.480 we have guns in our home

00:06:09.980 they are locked up

00:06:10.940 i've never seen them

00:06:12.040 i don't want to see them

00:06:13.320 people ask me how i started shooting

00:06:14.680 i just say with my dad and his redneck buddies out in the country 0.60

00:06:17.220 these seven were thoughtful

00:06:20.060 well-informed

00:06:21.360 good-hearted people

00:06:22.800 who all agreed

00:06:23.700 to spend an entire evening

00:06:25.260 talking to people they didn't even know

00:06:27.220 why?

00:06:28.320 to come up with a list

00:06:29.720 i wanted us to find a list

00:06:32.420 even if it was a very short one

00:06:34.260 of specific

00:06:35.320 practical things

00:06:36.700 that we could all agree upon

00:06:38.260 to help combat this

00:06:39.760 intangible threat to our kids

00:06:41.540 that we all think about from time to time

00:06:43.560 an intangible threat that alicia

00:06:46.140 our teacher in the room

00:06:47.480 explained from the perspective of being

00:06:49.640 inside the schools each and every day

00:06:52.220 anytime there is any sort of

00:06:56.120 anything out of the norm at school

00:06:57.680 the kids get weird

00:06:59.120 they get upset

00:07:00.260 it's just a feeling among the entire school

00:07:03.580 that something is dreadfully wrong

00:07:06.320 and i think it's all over the country

00:07:09.440 i think that you hear a noise in the hallway

00:07:11.920 when your class is quiet

00:07:13.460 and everyone's head turns

00:07:15.100 with that awareness

00:07:18.440 we began talking

00:07:20.120 the story of that conversation

00:07:22.680 has two parts

00:07:23.680 the content

00:07:24.960 the stuff that was said

00:07:26.120 and then the impact

00:07:27.860 what happened because of what was said

00:07:30.660 so content

00:07:32.560 as we searched for the list

00:07:34.540 for almost four hours

00:07:36.000 i'd like to share with you

00:07:37.440 the three biggest impediments

00:07:39.320 we came up against

00:07:40.300 because in this new era

00:07:42.420 of communicating

00:07:43.460 and communication

00:07:44.560 i think they're worth considering

00:07:46.500 remember

00:07:47.860 same children

00:07:49.520 same goal

00:07:51.060 impediment number one

00:07:53.800 opinions

00:07:54.880 outnumber

00:07:55.860 people

00:07:56.500 i soon realized

00:07:58.520 that in this age

00:07:59.560 of unlimited access

00:08:00.780 to opinions

00:08:01.520 that although there were

00:08:02.780 seven people

00:08:03.640 physically sitting around me

00:08:05.120 there were many more

00:08:06.760 opinions and voices

00:08:07.860 brought into our conversation

00:08:09.340 listen to the following exchange

00:08:11.420 between two mothers

00:08:12.420 anna

00:08:13.100 a progressive

00:08:13.820 and mona

00:08:15.000 a christian conservative

00:08:16.300 and see

00:08:17.320 how many people's opinions

00:08:19.540 and perspectives

00:08:20.400 are brought into the mix

00:08:21.560 other than their own

00:08:23.180 from my side

00:08:24.360 what i hear is

00:08:25.600 oh

00:08:26.460 don't infringe on

00:08:28.020 any of my rights

00:08:28.880 and i don't want

00:08:30.140 any restrictions

00:08:30.820 on myself

00:08:31.600 and it's kind of

00:08:33.200 and i'm not saying

00:08:33.820 this is what you want

00:08:34.480 but this is kind of

00:08:35.240 the debate

00:08:35.680 that's been in place

00:08:36.780 and it's kind of like

00:08:38.320 come on

00:08:38.940 there are

00:08:39.840 reasonable ideas

00:08:41.320 we can come up with

00:08:42.460 that's not going to

00:08:43.800 inconvenience you

00:08:44.860 but

00:08:45.140 and you're right

00:08:46.460 there are probably

00:08:47.460 solutions there

00:08:48.480 and you're reasonable

00:08:49.980 but the

00:08:51.220 the leaders of your

00:08:52.360 movement are not

00:08:53.340 reasonable

00:08:53.840 that's

00:08:54.220 that's actually

00:08:54.760 why is it that

00:08:55.520 when there's a

00:08:56.360 school shooting

00:08:57.100 or a mass shooting

00:08:58.080 someplace

00:08:58.560 the first thing

00:09:00.420 we hear

00:09:01.140 is

00:09:02.200 we need gun control

00:09:03.680 and the nra

00:09:04.700 so many other

00:09:10.320 opinions and voices

00:09:11.720 most of them

00:09:12.380 extreme

00:09:12.860 jumped right into

00:09:14.280 our conversation

00:09:14.960 on minute 39

00:09:16.320 everything was

00:09:17.880 heightened from

00:09:18.660 the get-go

00:09:19.260 denise our

00:09:20.780 firearms instructor

00:09:21.780 who almost missed

00:09:22.580 the round table

00:09:23.120 because she had

00:09:23.620 food poisoning

00:09:24.180 speaks about the

00:09:25.480 problem with

00:09:26.380 letting other people

00:09:27.420 speak for us

00:09:28.560 the inflammatory

00:09:29.960 super you know

00:09:31.840 agitators that are

00:09:33.200 being the talking

00:09:34.020 heads on the media

00:09:34.940 speaking for you

00:09:35.940 speaking for me

00:09:36.760 they don't represent

00:09:37.460 that kind of craziness

00:09:39.000 does not represent me

00:09:40.640 and I would like to

00:09:41.500 think that you know

00:09:42.380 when I see these

00:09:43.420 ultra-liberal you know

00:09:44.900 screaming about all

00:09:45.740 this stuff and

00:09:46.540 calling people like

00:09:48.160 me gun nuts and all

00:09:49.200 that I would like to

00:09:50.060 think that that's not

00:09:50.820 representative of you

00:09:51.820 so how do we solve

00:09:53.020 that problem with

00:09:54.040 getting these people

00:09:55.440 to stop being the

00:09:56.400 ones that are out

00:09:57.220 there trying to send

00:09:58.080 a message because

00:09:59.000 it's for me I think

00:10:00.400 it's the wrong one

00:10:01.480 and it's not

00:10:02.440 productive

00:10:02.960 I became aware

00:10:04.520 very quickly that

00:10:05.820 it's almost impossible

00:10:07.160 to have a productive

00:10:08.480 conversation with so

00:10:10.000 many other voices

00:10:11.300 referenced and

00:10:12.280 repeated

00:10:12.660 how could I get

00:10:14.260 each person just

00:10:15.400 to speak for

00:10:16.180 themself 0.90

00:10:16.780 we'd get there

00:10:19.040 but it would take

00:10:20.220 a while

00:10:20.600 the story continues

00:10:23.120 as the conversation

00:10:24.080 gets

00:10:24.560 tribal

00:10:25.840 for me one of the

00:10:34.200 most eye-opening

00:10:34.980 things and I

00:10:36.220 think it was the

00:10:36.780 same for you

00:10:37.360 and you had asked

00:10:39.240 me something about

00:10:40.280 why had I said

00:10:43.280 the things that I

00:10:44.280 had said about

00:10:45.060 President Obama

00:10:45.860 and it wasn't the

00:10:47.000 inflammatory stuff

00:10:48.020 it was why did you

00:10:50.200 think he was so bad

00:10:51.500 or why did you think

00:10:52.280 that administration

00:10:53.060 was so bad

00:10:53.500 and I gave you

00:10:55.700 several stories

00:10:56.820 and I remember

00:10:57.760 going with the

00:10:58.220 chalkboard and I

00:10:58.780 said there was

00:10:59.140 this story

00:10:59.560 did you know

00:11:00.060 about it

00:11:00.380 this story

00:11:01.000 this story

00:11:01.760 never heard of

00:11:02.020 any of them

00:11:02.560 you'd never heard

00:11:03.500 of any of them

00:11:04.240 and that was the

00:11:05.700 beginning of my

00:11:06.580 awareness of how

00:11:07.780 loud and separate

00:11:09.060 these echo chambers

00:11:09.840 are

00:11:10.160 that was the moment

00:11:11.020 I was like oh no

00:11:11.700 people we think

00:11:12.860 they know things

00:11:13.580 we think they hear

00:11:14.480 things

00:11:14.800 they don't

00:11:15.240 they don't

00:11:15.740 and you know what

00:11:16.420 because of that

00:11:17.280 moment I redoubled

00:11:18.700 my efforts to read

00:11:20.740 because there are

00:11:22.000 many times that

00:11:22.920 I'll hear people

00:11:23.580 say well you

00:11:24.660 won't find that

00:11:25.240 in the times

00:11:25.680 actually yes

00:11:26.580 that's exactly

00:11:27.880 where I found

00:11:28.540 it

00:11:28.720 you know what

00:11:29.600 I mean

00:11:29.880 and so when we

00:11:31.460 talk about the

00:11:32.020 problems we

00:11:33.100 we have those

00:11:33.900 in common

00:11:34.300 that whether

00:11:35.220 it's keeping

00:11:36.020 our children

00:11:36.400 safe whether

00:11:36.980 it's drugs

00:11:37.540 whether it's

00:11:38.060 the weaponization

00:11:39.080 of information

00:11:39.660 those are big

00:11:40.440 problems that we

00:11:41.520 need to discuss

00:11:42.160 but the in-person

00:11:43.940 quality of it

00:11:44.720 has to happen

00:11:45.760 because otherwise

00:11:47.360 we're posting

00:11:48.060 these awkward

00:11:48.960 awkward things

00:11:49.600 even though it

00:11:50.120 got hot

00:11:50.640 even though it

00:11:51.680 got hot

00:11:52.040 and it did

00:11:52.760 get hot

00:11:53.040 because we

00:11:53.740 started the

00:11:54.080 conversation

00:11:54.400 after the

00:11:54.880 building had

00:11:55.260 closed

00:11:55.640 and what

00:11:55.960 they didn't

00:11:56.220 tell me

00:11:56.500 is that the

00:11:56.760 air conditioning

00:11:57.120 would be

00:11:57.400 turned off

00:11:57.840 and it was

00:11:58.480 98 degrees

00:11:59.420 in Virginia

00:11:59.920 that day

00:12:00.340 so slowly

00:12:01.360 the heat

00:12:01.840 started seeping

00:12:02.520 into the room

00:12:02.900 and so the

00:12:03.800 temperature in

00:12:04.480 the room

00:12:04.860 was rising

00:12:05.840 literally

00:12:06.460 it's difficult

00:12:08.780 to come up

00:12:09.520 with a solution

00:12:10.200 where one side

00:12:11.740 doesn't want to

00:12:12.860 talk about guns

00:12:13.620 at all

00:12:14.040 and I'm sure

00:12:14.500 you guys think

00:12:15.220 that's all we

00:12:15.920 want to talk

00:12:16.480 about is

00:12:17.120 I want to come

00:12:18.040 take away your

00:12:18.600 guns

00:12:18.860 and that's not

00:12:19.500 the case

00:12:19.980 impediment

00:12:20.660 number two

00:12:21.280 we can't hear

00:12:23.040 all the options

00:12:24.100 potential solutions

00:12:26.640 may already be

00:12:27.740 on the table

00:12:28.500 but we aren't

00:12:29.480 even hearing

00:12:30.260 each other

00:12:30.860 this exchange

00:12:32.040 between Anna

00:12:32.680 our progressive

00:12:33.440 mother

00:12:33.760 and Chad

00:12:34.700 a libertarian

00:12:35.740 father

00:12:36.140 shows this

00:12:36.840 phenomenon

00:12:37.340 all we're

00:12:39.020 trying to see

00:12:39.720 is what

00:12:40.940 reasonable

00:12:41.580 measures

00:12:42.120 are you

00:12:42.940 are you

00:12:43.920 all

00:12:44.160 willing to

00:12:45.140 agree to

00:12:46.000 to help

00:12:47.300 solve this

00:12:48.360 problem

00:12:48.820 and to

00:12:49.580 really solve

00:12:50.460 this

00:12:50.780 and what

00:12:51.960 steps are

00:12:52.500 you willing

00:12:52.820 to take

00:12:53.300 but I'm

00:12:53.900 not sure

00:12:54.400 I'm willing to

00:12:54.420 sign on to

00:12:55.360 the NRA's

00:12:56.120 Project Exile

00:12:56.960 which has worked

00:12:57.620 very well

00:12:58.160 in Virginia

00:12:58.760 so what was

00:13:00.520 Anna's response

00:13:01.280 to Project Exile

00:13:02.260 what is that

00:13:03.480 sir I don't know

00:13:04.320 Project Exile

00:13:05.220 committing you

00:13:06.200 committed gun

00:13:06.760 crime

00:13:07.220 mandatory

00:13:08.120 sentencing

00:13:08.820 you go to

00:13:09.880 the top

00:13:10.280 of the

00:13:10.520 rocket

00:13:10.840 docket

00:13:11.340 for prosecution

00:13:12.680 a practical

00:13:14.180 tangible

00:13:14.860 solution

00:13:15.420 already on

00:13:16.420 the table

00:13:16.820 never heard

00:13:18.080 of it

00:13:18.360 but wait

00:13:19.240 this wasn't

00:13:19.900 a one-way

00:13:20.540 phenomenon

00:13:21.060 soon after

00:13:22.120 Mona

00:13:22.460 our mother

00:13:23.160 of three

00:13:23.540 teenage boys

00:13:24.220 was explaining

00:13:25.160 how her sons

00:13:25.940 and their peers

00:13:26.580 can sense

00:13:27.480 when a classmate

00:13:28.540 may pose a threat

00:13:29.440 and they're called

00:13:30.180 school shooters

00:13:30.860 oh yeah

00:13:31.500 he's a school

00:13:31.940 shooter

00:13:32.260 she's a school

00:13:32.940 shooter

00:13:33.240 they've got

00:13:34.420 that label

00:13:34.900 because everybody

00:13:36.080 knows who is

00:13:37.280 capable of doing

00:13:38.380 that

00:13:38.780 I think that's

00:13:40.180 what you know

00:13:40.680 when I mentioned

00:13:41.520 earlier the red

00:13:42.220 flag laws

00:13:42.920 I think that's

00:13:43.760 the purpose of

00:13:44.480 those where you

00:13:45.260 see a kid

00:13:46.160 who is you

00:13:47.740 know like

00:13:48.120 this kid is

00:13:48.680 trouble

00:13:49.060 and that

00:13:50.560 enables you

00:13:51.260 to go in

00:13:51.940 and remove

00:13:52.680 the guns

00:13:53.160 and the response

00:13:53.920 from Alicia

00:13:54.480 our teacher

00:13:55.120 in the room

00:13:55.560 who had

00:13:56.180 literally just

00:13:57.060 been talking

00:13:57.620 about kids

00:13:58.200 exhibiting red

00:13:59.120 flags

00:13:59.520 had this to

00:14:00.340 say about

00:14:00.660 the idea

00:14:01.160 I had never

00:14:02.180 heard the term

00:14:02.720 red flag law

00:14:03.700 how is that

00:14:04.780 even possible

00:14:05.440 on my side

00:14:06.540 I hear the term

00:14:07.180 red flag laws

00:14:08.000 almost daily

00:14:08.860 in campaign ads

00:14:09.800 but Alicia lives 0.95

00:14:10.980 in a different

00:14:11.360 state

00:14:11.720 and gets

00:14:12.440 different ads

00:14:13.140 again

00:14:15.080 it's not about

00:14:16.060 whether you think

00:14:16.740 either of the ideas

00:14:17.640 are good ones

00:14:18.260 or bad ones

00:14:18.900 it's about the fact

00:14:19.820 the other side

00:14:20.420 has never even

00:14:21.300 heard of them

00:14:22.220 when we're talking

00:14:24.340 about trying to

00:14:24.960 protect our kids

00:14:25.820 shouldn't every idea

00:14:27.200 be considered

00:14:27.880 impediment number

00:14:30.620 three

00:14:31.020 either or

00:14:32.140 thinking

00:14:32.560 this is another

00:14:33.960 exchange that

00:14:34.620 fascinated me

00:14:35.440 between Anna

00:14:36.040 our progressive

00:14:36.880 mother

00:14:37.180 and Mona

00:14:38.040 who identifies

00:14:38.800 as a Christian

00:14:39.400 conservative

00:14:39.840 about what

00:14:40.920 each of us

00:14:41.420 can do now

00:14:42.300 to help keep

00:14:43.400 our children

00:14:43.800 safer

00:14:44.220 I know

00:14:45.380 from my side

00:14:46.180 is you know

00:14:47.280 reaching out

00:14:47.800 to my legislators

00:14:48.680 and saying

00:14:49.160 this is what

00:14:49.680 I want

00:14:50.020 and if the

00:14:50.660 legislators

00:14:51.120 refuse to

00:14:51.720 take action

00:14:52.340 it's helping

00:14:53.240 to elect

00:14:53.740 people who

00:14:54.340 will

00:14:54.560 who are more

00:14:55.140 in line

00:14:55.600 with those

00:14:56.080 thoughts

00:14:56.440 and perhaps

00:14:57.500 on your side

00:14:58.520 you can do

00:14:59.340 the same

00:14:59.860 but we all

00:15:00.680 have a part

00:15:01.220 to play in this

00:15:02.120 and first is

00:15:03.400 making our voices

00:15:04.880 heard

00:15:05.280 it might be

00:15:06.140 futile

00:15:06.640 but that's

00:15:07.200 one step

00:15:07.680 we can all

00:15:08.140 take

00:15:08.420 but it's

00:15:09.180 we started

00:15:09.820 even

00:15:10.260 one step

00:15:11.960 I can't find

00:15:13.960 the right word

00:15:14.520 once to take

00:15:15.400 one step back

00:15:16.020 and start at a

00:15:16.600 community level

00:15:17.480 instead of relying

00:15:18.300 on our legislators

00:15:19.240 to fix this problem

00:15:20.200 so you go into

00:15:21.260 the schools

00:15:21.700 and you say

00:15:22.200 to your principal

00:15:22.840 I'm a retired

00:15:24.080 Marine

00:15:24.480 and my two kids

00:15:26.080 go to this school

00:15:26.840 and I really

00:15:27.560 want to help

00:15:28.180 keep this building

00:15:29.360 secure

00:15:29.740 this is all

00:15:30.300 I can do

00:15:30.760 I can only work

00:15:31.600 within the confines

00:15:32.460 of my life

00:15:33.120 and my time

00:15:33.760 but I'm a parent

00:15:34.920 here

00:15:35.240 I have expertise

00:15:36.120 I want to do

00:15:37.020 something

00:15:37.360 how can we

00:15:38.420 gather the parents

00:15:39.320 in this school

00:15:40.000 to help fortify

00:15:41.100 the building

00:15:41.480 I think there

00:15:41.980 probably

00:15:42.420 there's so many

00:15:43.560 restrictions

00:15:44.700 and issues

00:15:45.360 against

00:15:45.740 I mean

00:15:46.040 I don't know

00:15:46.500 I'm not involved

00:15:47.220 in the school system

00:15:48.220 but

00:15:48.520 two approaches

00:15:49.700 both felt valid

00:15:50.940 and worthwhile

00:15:51.480 to me

00:15:52.060 but in that moment

00:15:53.260 it felt very

00:15:54.160 either or

00:15:55.140 and a little

00:15:56.380 dismissive

00:15:57.300 and this happened

00:15:58.540 a lot

00:15:59.000 jumping back

00:16:00.040 and forth

00:16:00.580 between opposing

00:16:01.340 ideas

00:16:01.860 as opposed to

00:16:02.960 spending time

00:16:03.660 discussing

00:16:04.160 integrating them

00:16:05.360 or combining

00:16:06.220 the approaches

00:16:06.820 and I just hope

00:16:08.280 that the divide

00:16:09.260 over the first

00:16:10.100 approach

00:16:10.520 the constant

00:16:11.580 fight over

00:16:12.160 election day

00:16:12.940 doesn't demonize

00:16:14.360 us so much

00:16:15.080 that we aren't

00:16:15.900 able to work

00:16:16.660 together on the

00:16:17.300 second

00:16:17.700 community level

00:16:18.780 approach

00:16:19.240 we need both

00:16:20.600 not either or

00:16:21.640 so those

00:16:23.500 three impediments

00:16:24.320 opinions

00:16:25.000 outnumbering

00:16:25.620 people

00:16:25.940 not hearing

00:16:26.900 all the

00:16:27.220 options

00:16:27.640 and either

00:16:28.600 or thinking

00:16:29.280 were our

00:16:30.080 biggest obstacles

00:16:31.040 as we

00:16:31.780 searched together

00:16:32.420 for my list

00:16:33.740 and as we

00:16:35.300 talked

00:16:35.760 they have to

00:16:37.800 be their

00:16:38.380 mental health

00:16:39.060 as well

00:16:39.540 and talked

00:16:41.260 yeah I think

00:16:42.140 I think that

00:16:42.760 has to be part

00:16:43.520 of the danger

00:16:45.040 we just kept

00:16:46.840 running up

00:16:47.520 against them

00:16:48.480 but then also

00:16:49.340 you can't

00:16:49.840 the danger

00:16:51.480 is the child

00:16:52.200 and never

00:16:53.620 got around

00:16:54.880 them

00:16:55.360 there are

00:16:55.940 weapons that

00:16:56.600 he could then

00:16:57.080 use to act

00:16:58.000 out

00:16:58.140 so let's

00:16:58.560 take out

00:16:58.920 all the

00:16:59.180 knives out

00:16:59.660 of the

00:16:59.880 kitchen too

00:17:00.520 and remove

00:17:01.460 the cars

00:17:01.880 from the

00:17:02.260 parents too

00:17:03.300 in the room

00:17:04.600 hour after

00:17:05.280 hour it was

00:17:05.980 tense

00:17:06.280 defensive

00:17:06.780 and hot 0.98

00:17:07.280 the air

00:17:08.340 conditioning

00:17:08.660 wasn't working

00:17:09.240 and my premise

00:17:09.780 wasn't working

00:17:10.420 and I feel like

00:17:11.680 that's what

00:17:12.000 happens a lot

00:17:12.740 both sides

00:17:13.840 every time

00:17:14.880 somebody gives

00:17:15.960 an example

00:17:16.560 somebody else

00:17:17.800 tells you

00:17:18.080 why that

00:17:18.340 example is

00:17:18.780 not going

00:17:19.200 to work

00:17:19.460 for them

00:17:19.800 specifically

00:17:20.340 and then

00:17:21.080 it turns

00:17:21.820 into a

00:17:22.100 different

00:17:22.260 conversation

00:17:22.860 stupid list

00:17:24.620 was only

00:17:25.060 making us

00:17:25.580 more frustrated

00:17:26.540 the more

00:17:26.920 we couldn't

00:17:27.340 find it

00:17:27.900 because although

00:17:28.760 there were

00:17:29.300 so many

00:17:29.800 moments of

00:17:30.240 connection

00:17:30.700 it was the

00:17:31.560 moments of

00:17:32.080 disconnect

00:17:32.720 that controlled

00:17:33.480 the mood

00:17:33.900 of the room

00:17:34.380 we already

00:17:36.100 have the

00:17:36.780 laws on the

00:17:37.460 books

00:17:37.740 we do not

00:17:39.600 we do not

00:17:40.520 there are

00:17:40.940 but you see

00:17:41.620 there's 25,000

00:17:42.860 of them

00:17:43.180 and you're

00:17:43.600 willing to let

00:17:44.240 all of those

00:17:45.280 go just for

00:17:46.060 your point

00:17:46.520 and then it

00:17:48.120 happened

00:17:48.440 the moment

00:17:49.640 I had been

00:17:50.280 fearing

00:17:50.700 we reached

00:17:51.940 it

00:17:52.360 now are you

00:17:53.980 willing to

00:17:54.700 put some

00:17:55.360 verse

00:17:55.520 no

00:17:55.740 that's

00:17:58.860 that's

00:17:59.920 that's

00:18:00.740 the impasse

00:18:01.420 because you're

00:18:02.420 not even

00:18:02.760 willing to

00:18:03.340 listen

00:18:03.660 no

00:18:03.980 the impasse

00:18:05.580 soon after

00:18:07.560 Anna summed up

00:18:08.660 how a lot of

00:18:09.200 us were feeling

00:18:09.760 coming in

00:18:10.840 coming in

00:18:10.860 here

00:18:11.140 I thought

00:18:12.540 our chances

00:18:13.060 of getting

00:18:13.660 a list

00:18:14.760 together

00:18:15.240 I was

00:18:16.240 more optimistic

00:18:16.920 you know

00:18:17.960 I see why

00:18:18.620 we are

00:18:19.260 where we are

00:18:19.780 today

00:18:20.140 it's this

00:18:21.440 sort of

00:18:22.360 you know

00:18:22.800 impasse

00:18:23.940 the conversation

00:18:25.320 ended shortly

00:18:25.940 after

00:18:26.300 we all

00:18:27.120 said goodbye

00:18:27.640 and I sat

00:18:28.740 in the room

00:18:29.040 alone and

00:18:29.460 texted my

00:18:29.940 husband

00:18:30.220 two words

00:18:30.880 it failed

00:18:32.560 I could not

00:18:34.880 get the enemy

00:18:35.640 lines to go

00:18:36.920 away in that

00:18:37.480 room even

00:18:38.760 for a little

00:18:39.460 while

00:18:39.880 but I was

00:18:41.660 wrong

00:18:42.020 there's content

00:18:43.700 and then there's

00:18:45.640 impact

00:18:46.400 in fact

00:18:48.680 at the exact

00:18:50.020 moment we

00:18:50.820 reached the

00:18:51.280 deadlock in

00:18:51.860 the room

00:18:52.220 the story

00:18:53.340 of the

00:18:53.620 content

00:18:54.020 the list

00:18:54.540 comes to

00:18:55.340 an end

00:18:55.700 and the

00:18:56.960 story about

00:18:57.480 the impact

00:18:58.360 begins

00:18:59.400 here is that

00:19:01.300 moment of

00:19:01.840 impasse again

00:19:02.740 listen carefully

00:19:04.200 because much

00:19:04.780 more happens

00:19:05.520 in that moment

00:19:06.240 than I had

00:19:07.140 initially realized

00:19:08.120 that's

00:19:10.000 that's the

00:19:10.960 impasse

00:19:11.380 because you're

00:19:12.420 not even

00:19:12.780 willing to

00:19:13.340 listen

00:19:13.700 all evening

00:19:15.300 I was so

00:19:15.960 distracted by

00:19:16.700 the content

00:19:17.680 what was said

00:19:18.760 the ways we

00:19:19.200 weren't connecting

00:19:19.820 my stupid

00:19:20.400 list

00:19:20.720 I couldn't

00:19:21.520 even see it

00:19:22.180 that there was

00:19:23.440 enough of a

00:19:24.500 human connection

00:19:25.340 in that moment

00:19:26.460 that it would

00:19:27.560 create a bridge

00:19:28.900 across the

00:19:29.600 American divide

00:19:30.440 the story

00:19:31.580 continues in

00:19:32.280 the most

00:19:32.680 unlikely

00:19:33.560 place

00:19:34.300 how surprised

00:19:40.640 were you

00:19:41.280 that

00:19:42.400 this

00:19:43.780 fell apart

00:19:44.800 because to

00:19:45.500 me

00:19:45.800 that's

00:19:47.700 where they

00:19:48.040 all end

00:19:48.440 right there

00:19:49.080 yes

00:19:49.540 I was

00:19:50.540 not just

00:19:51.700 shocked

00:19:52.100 but personally

00:19:53.080 gutted

00:19:53.680 because I

00:19:54.440 had found

00:19:54.860 all these

00:19:55.180 people

00:19:55.560 and with

00:19:56.740 the best

00:19:57.160 of intentions

00:19:57.640 I had said

00:19:58.100 look out

00:19:58.600 there in the

00:19:59.040 world

00:19:59.180 no one's

00:19:59.480 talking

00:19:59.760 let's try

00:20:00.480 and create

00:20:00.840 this environment

00:20:01.360 with the

00:20:01.680 seven of us

00:20:02.320 that we

00:20:02.960 can

00:20:03.200 go past

00:20:04.800 that

00:20:05.000 we'll know

00:20:05.620 each other

00:20:06.020 you're all

00:20:06.340 good people

00:20:06.880 and I

00:20:07.500 could not

00:20:08.040 believe

00:20:08.580 that with

00:20:09.380 all that

00:20:09.960 prep of

00:20:10.400 them coming

00:20:10.820 in

00:20:11.100 that the

00:20:11.920 guards went

00:20:13.140 up

00:20:13.400 and it

00:20:14.100 disintegrated

00:20:14.960 it's not

00:20:15.720 the seven

00:20:16.260 people

00:20:16.700 it's

00:20:18.080 all of

00:20:19.220 the voices

00:20:19.720 that are

00:20:20.340 in each

00:20:21.000 of their

00:20:21.360 heads

00:20:21.800 that they're

00:20:22.400 all battling

00:20:22.960 I understand

00:20:23.680 why he said

00:20:24.860 what he said

00:20:25.520 and cut her 1.00

00:20:26.020 off

00:20:26.240 and it has

00:20:27.000 nothing to do

00:20:28.100 with the people

00:20:29.080 in that room

00:20:29.780 exactly

00:20:30.200 the people

00:20:30.640 in that room

00:20:31.440 could compromise

00:20:33.220 could potentially

00:20:34.440 hypothetically

00:20:35.060 yes

00:20:35.440 if that was

00:20:37.880 their community

00:20:38.720 and it was

00:20:39.360 only about

00:20:40.020 them

00:20:40.460 they could

00:20:41.360 come up

00:20:41.740 with it

00:20:42.100 the next

00:20:43.200 day

00:20:43.580 I

00:20:44.160 honestly

00:20:45.740 couldn't

00:20:45.940 get out

00:20:46.160 of bed

00:20:46.380 and when

00:20:47.640 I looked

00:20:47.860 at my

00:20:48.060 phone

00:20:48.240 there were

00:20:48.460 this flurry

00:20:49.020 of texts

00:20:49.580 and emails

00:20:50.000 from other

00:20:50.720 people in

00:20:51.080 the room

00:20:51.360 saying

00:20:51.960 how did

00:20:52.760 we miss

00:20:53.220 we all

00:20:53.740 tried

00:20:54.140 we missed

00:20:54.980 so what'd

00:20:55.460 you find

00:20:55.740 out

00:20:55.980 well

00:20:56.900 what was

00:20:57.380 interesting

00:20:57.780 was that

00:20:58.000 one of

00:20:58.200 the texts

00:20:58.680 was an

00:20:59.160 invitation

00:20:59.520 from

00:21:00.180 Denise 0.55

00:21:00.540 our firearms

00:21:01.220 instructor

00:21:01.820 to

00:21:02.620 Anna

00:21:03.260 our progressive

00:21:04.180 activist

00:21:04.520 mother

00:21:04.840 saying

00:21:05.320 you want

00:21:06.400 to continue

00:21:06.680 the conversation

00:21:07.180 why don't

00:21:07.540 you come

00:21:07.820 down to

00:21:08.240 the shooting

00:21:08.560 range

00:21:08.920 and we

00:21:09.280 can

00:21:09.580 and so

00:21:11.040 I conveyed

00:21:11.480 this

00:21:11.720 and Anna

00:21:12.180 accepted

00:21:12.660 in a second 0.78

00:21:13.260 I was

00:21:13.620 shocked

00:21:13.880 and so

00:21:14.740 the next

00:21:15.500 day

00:21:15.780 this progressive

00:21:16.700 activist

00:21:17.240 went to

00:21:17.760 the shooting

00:21:18.100 range

00:21:18.520 at the

00:21:19.400 base

00:21:19.620 of the

00:21:19.820 NRA's

00:21:20.240 building

00:21:20.480 to continue

00:21:21.440 the conversation

00:21:21.960 with this

00:21:22.280 firearms

00:21:22.620 trainer

00:21:22.960 and that's

00:21:23.680 where we

00:21:23.900 go now

00:21:24.300 of course

00:21:26.640 I'm going to

00:21:26.920 take out

00:21:27.220 an AR-15

00:21:27.880 okay

00:21:28.360 ready to try

00:21:29.280 out

00:21:29.440 and I'm

00:21:30.720 also going

00:21:31.260 to start

00:21:31.560 you off

00:21:31.820 on a

00:21:32.180 22

00:21:32.700 semi-automatic

00:21:33.660 handgun

00:21:34.120 very low

00:21:35.120 recoil

00:21:35.640 okay

00:21:36.260 and as I

00:21:37.420 somewhat

00:21:37.780 nervously

00:21:38.480 watched them

00:21:39.100 engage each

00:21:39.700 other

00:21:39.900 one-on-one

00:21:40.520 the memory

00:21:41.400 of their

00:21:41.720 interaction

00:21:42.200 from not

00:21:42.640 even 48

00:21:43.340 hours prior

00:21:43.940 was still

00:21:44.560 pretty fresh

00:21:45.280 they began

00:21:57.340 this new

00:21:57.780 conversation

00:21:58.360 so how

00:21:59.560 do you

00:21:59.800 take the

00:22:00.220 safety

00:22:00.520 off

00:22:00.900 because

00:22:01.300 they

00:22:01.440 say

00:22:01.600 keep

00:22:01.800 the

00:22:01.980 safety

00:22:02.220 on

00:22:02.620 and

00:22:02.760 then

00:22:02.940 it

00:22:03.600 depends

00:22:04.800 on

00:22:05.400 the

00:22:05.860 specific

00:22:06.420 type

00:22:06.740 of

00:22:06.900 firearms

00:22:07.380 so this

00:22:07.960 one

00:22:08.400 and then

00:22:10.420 they started

00:22:10.860 talking

00:22:11.260 more specifics

00:22:12.100 this is

00:22:13.160 Denise 0.55

00:22:13.440 explaining

00:22:14.000 some of

00:22:14.480 the

00:22:14.620 existing

00:22:15.060 gun

00:22:15.380 laws

00:22:15.660 that

00:22:15.860 don't

00:22:16.120 make

00:22:16.300 sense

00:22:16.680 so if

00:22:17.320 someone

00:22:17.640 were to

00:22:18.140 hold

00:22:18.400 this

00:22:18.620 like

00:22:18.840 this

00:22:19.120 and put

00:22:19.440 it up

00:22:19.680 against

00:22:19.940 their

00:22:20.180 shoulder

00:22:20.560 well you're

00:22:21.260 now shooting

00:22:21.760 it like

00:22:22.180 a rifle

00:22:22.640 so now

00:22:23.280 you're in

00:22:23.620 violation

00:22:24.020 of the

00:22:24.420 law

00:22:24.680 and you're

00:22:25.120 technically

00:22:25.460 a felon

00:22:26.000 why would

00:22:26.920 there be

00:22:27.200 an issue

00:22:27.560 if you're

00:22:27.880 holding it

00:22:28.340 as a

00:22:28.600 rifle

00:22:28.880 why

00:22:29.360 would it

00:22:30.320 be

00:22:30.460 considered

00:22:30.940 illegal

00:22:31.340 because

00:22:31.680 now

00:22:32.020 the

00:22:32.360 one of

00:22:33.660 the pieces

00:22:34.120 is not

00:22:34.720 registered

00:22:35.180 as a

00:22:35.620 rifle

00:22:35.860 you didn't

00:22:36.300 purchase

00:22:36.640 it as

00:22:37.100 such

00:22:37.460 so if

00:22:38.200 you purchased

00:22:38.660 it as

00:22:39.000 a pistol

00:22:39.460 and now

00:22:40.540 you're shooting

00:22:40.980 it as a

00:22:41.420 rifle

00:22:41.720 they're saying

00:22:42.580 that now

00:22:43.080 you're in

00:22:43.380 violation

00:22:43.780 of the

00:22:44.100 law

00:22:44.320 again

00:22:44.940 complete

00:22:46.200 makes

00:22:46.540 absolutely

00:22:47.040 no sense

00:22:47.700 and then

00:22:50.060 this happened

00:22:50.700 as they were

00:22:51.360 talking about

00:22:52.140 bullets

00:22:52.760 extremely much

00:22:54.020 larger bullet

00:22:54.780 tons more

00:22:55.400 powder

00:22:55.780 this is

00:22:57.200 a 308

00:22:57.980 so that's

00:22:58.520 a typical

00:22:58.920 hunting round

00:22:59.780 so you can

00:23:01.000 just see

00:23:01.440 the difference

00:23:02.140 in the power

00:23:02.960 and penetration

00:23:03.580 between the

00:23:04.240 bullets

00:23:04.540 and the amount

00:23:05.120 of powder

00:23:05.460 that goes

00:23:05.860 in them

00:23:06.320 so size

00:23:07.000 does matter

00:23:07.600 I love that

00:23:10.440 and as

00:23:14.880 they giggled

00:23:15.460 over a

00:23:15.980 size joke

00:23:16.680 that was

00:23:18.180 it

00:23:18.400 the enemy

00:23:19.660 lines weren't

00:23:20.540 there anymore

00:23:21.340 between them

00:23:21.980 it was no

00:23:23.580 longer us

00:23:24.500 versus them

00:23:25.100 Anna versus

00:23:25.740 Denise 0.55

00:23:26.060 they were on

00:23:27.540 the same

00:23:27.960 side just

00:23:28.560 two people

00:23:29.120 trying to

00:23:30.120 figure something

00:23:30.660 out

00:23:31.020 they had

00:23:32.240 connected

00:23:32.640 let's go

00:23:33.540 shoot some

00:23:33.960 guns

00:23:34.220 this is

00:23:36.600 Anna

00:23:36.900 coached by

00:23:38.000 Denise 0.55

00:23:38.380 through her

00:23:39.160 first shot

00:23:39.560 and for the

00:23:59.480 record her

00:23:59.920 shot was

00:24:00.360 just off

00:24:01.240 the bullseye

00:24:01.740 and afterwards

00:24:03.240 they started

00:24:03.820 talking specifics

00:24:04.760 again

00:24:05.200 but there was

00:24:06.140 a willingness

00:24:06.520 to work together

00:24:07.440 and limit the

00:24:08.500 number of

00:24:08.860 opinions

00:24:09.360 so it's

00:24:10.380 like okay

00:24:10.740 rather than

00:24:11.220 you and I

00:24:11.580 meeting in the

00:24:12.260 parking lot

00:24:12.840 and purchasing

00:24:13.840 the gun

00:24:14.220 or wherever

00:24:14.740 let's go to

00:24:15.600 the license

00:24:16.040 dealer

00:24:16.340 run a

00:24:17.040 background check

00:24:17.620 on me

00:24:17.980 to make

00:24:18.340 sure

00:24:18.580 that I'm

00:24:19.600 not a

00:24:19.900 felon 0.81

00:24:20.180 I don't

00:24:20.460 have a

00:24:20.680 history of

00:24:21.040 domestic

00:24:21.340 violence

00:24:21.820 etc

00:24:22.260 and then

00:24:23.120 just hand

00:24:23.520 the gun

00:24:23.800 off

00:24:24.060 in that

00:24:24.520 sense

00:24:24.880 so it's

00:24:25.820 not

00:24:26.060 the big

00:24:26.340 argument

00:24:26.720 with that

00:24:27.160 is going

00:24:27.540 to be

00:24:27.800 that we're

00:24:28.660 guilty

00:24:30.320 until proven

00:24:31.080 innocent

00:24:31.520 you know

00:24:32.420 what I mean

00:24:32.860 I'm not

00:24:33.440 100%

00:24:34.080 against it

00:24:34.680 because

00:24:35.200 that's pretty

00:24:36.340 much how I

00:24:36.900 do things

00:24:37.340 now

00:24:37.700 I'm just

00:24:38.640 saying

00:24:39.160 I'm like

00:24:43.080 80% there

00:24:44.180 if that makes

00:24:44.900 sense

00:24:45.180 to repeat

00:24:49.800 Denise says

00:24:50.740 I'm 80%

00:24:51.620 there

00:24:52.040 Anna

00:24:52.640 excitedly

00:24:53.300 responds by

00:24:53.900 saying I'll

00:24:54.380 bring you

00:24:54.680 over

00:24:55.000 but it's

00:24:56.360 what Denise

00:24:56.880 says next

00:24:57.660 that got me

00:24:58.400 where you

00:24:58.660 come 80

00:24:59.060 I come 80

00:24:59.620 we figure out

00:25:00.280 somewhere

00:25:00.580 I love that

00:25:04.200 you come 80

00:25:05.700 I come 80

00:25:07.160 and we figure out

00:25:08.900 somewhere in the

00:25:09.580 middle

00:25:09.800 one on one

00:25:10.980 there was a

00:25:11.420 personal connection

00:25:12.380 now

00:25:12.840 Anna

00:25:14.160 who just

00:25:14.860 the other

00:25:15.200 night felt

00:25:15.680 so hopeless

00:25:16.380 you know

00:25:16.600 I see why

00:25:17.260 we are

00:25:17.900 where we

00:25:18.240 are today

00:25:18.760 it's this

00:25:20.060 this sort

00:25:20.600 of you

00:25:21.240 know

00:25:21.440 impasse

00:25:22.560 now not

00:25:24.340 even 48

00:25:25.260 hours later

00:25:26.040 had this to

00:25:27.120 say

00:25:27.220 we're really

00:25:27.920 on most of

00:25:29.020 it like

00:25:29.360 80% of

00:25:30.260 it

00:25:30.420 we're all

00:25:31.060 on the

00:25:31.340 same side

00:25:31.880 like of

00:25:32.440 the issue

00:25:32.860 it's just

00:25:33.420 we may be

00:25:33.920 speaking with

00:25:34.360 different

00:25:34.600 language

00:25:35.040 there's

00:25:35.720 nuance

00:25:36.200 and how

00:25:38.300 do we

00:25:38.780 understand

00:25:39.280 someone's

00:25:39.800 different

00:25:40.120 language

00:25:40.520 and nuance

00:25:41.160 by spending

00:25:42.380 time with

00:25:43.040 them

00:25:43.340 in person

00:25:44.700 this is how

00:25:46.200 Anna felt

00:25:46.800 when I spoke

00:25:47.460 with her

00:25:47.780 a few weeks

00:25:48.240 later

00:25:48.340 to come back

00:25:48.800 and to sort

00:25:49.460 of have

00:25:50.180 formed

00:25:50.540 some sort

00:25:51.000 of a bond

00:25:51.580 with the

00:25:52.180 you know

00:25:52.620 someone who

00:25:53.440 works with

00:25:53.860 the NRA

00:25:54.300 as their

00:25:54.640 top trainer

00:25:55.260 and stuff

00:25:55.740 I mean

00:25:56.300 that was

00:25:56.620 that was

00:25:57.020 a refreshing

00:25:57.600 surprise

00:25:59.360 and that

00:25:59.840 sort of

00:26:00.220 thank God

00:26:00.680 for that

00:26:01.200 because that

00:26:02.400 sort of

00:26:02.860 gave me

00:26:03.440 a glimmer

00:26:03.820 of hope

00:26:04.360 that okay

00:26:04.900 we can

00:26:06.280 come to

00:26:06.700 some sort

00:26:07.200 of an

00:26:07.420 agreement

00:26:07.800 the problem

00:26:09.480 isn't always

00:26:10.500 the other

00:26:10.900 person

00:26:11.320 the problem

00:26:12.280 isn't always

00:26:13.040 the other

00:26:13.480 side

00:26:14.020 Denise 0.55

00:26:14.680 explained

00:26:15.200 how the

00:26:15.500 shift

00:26:15.660 for you two

00:26:16.020 to come out

00:26:16.460 to the range

00:26:17.000 with me

00:26:17.360 just

00:26:17.720 putting your

00:26:19.840 toes in

00:26:20.860 the world

00:26:21.440 of another

00:26:21.880 person

00:26:22.320 and understanding

00:26:23.560 it and actually

00:26:24.200 getting to see

00:26:24.900 it were not

00:26:25.520 the problem

00:26:26.240 weeks later

00:26:28.320 Denise and I

00:26:29.280 spoke about

00:26:29.780 her perspective

00:26:30.400 on America

00:26:31.180 after our

00:26:32.040 time today

00:26:32.200 it's just a

00:26:32.420 very combative

00:26:33.340 you know

00:26:35.200 very argumentative

00:26:36.380 environment

00:26:36.980 and it doesn't

00:26:37.600 have to be

00:26:38.240 it doesn't

00:26:38.920 have to be

00:26:39.480 you know

00:26:39.820 you can

00:26:40.260 agree to

00:26:40.840 disagree

00:26:41.180 on things

00:26:41.800 but you know

00:26:42.620 like what

00:26:43.360 you're trying

00:26:43.760 to do

00:26:44.020 find some

00:26:44.500 things that

00:26:44.920 you do

00:26:45.200 agree on

00:26:45.740 and I

00:26:46.040 don't think

00:26:46.440 that it

00:26:46.720 is that

00:26:47.160 hard

00:26:47.540 it isn't

00:26:49.620 that hard

00:26:50.140 so the

00:26:51.760 question

00:26:52.120 remained

00:26:52.620 how did

00:26:53.860 we get

00:26:54.460 to this

00:26:55.080 point of

00:26:55.740 connection

00:26:56.220 and optimism

00:26:56.880 what had

00:26:58.320 happened in

00:26:58.900 the room

00:26:59.240 during the

00:26:59.660 conversation

00:27:00.200 with the

00:27:00.580 seven

00:27:00.820 that had

00:27:01.880 prompted

00:27:02.280 Denise 0.55

00:27:02.800 to want

00:27:03.760 to reach

00:27:04.200 out to

00:27:04.540 Anna

00:27:04.800 and invite

00:27:05.600 her to 0.94

00:27:05.840 the gun

00:27:06.140 range

00:27:06.380 in the

00:27:06.620 first place

00:27:07.220 the story

00:27:08.640 continues

00:27:09.180 when we

00:27:09.800 revisit

00:27:10.320 the moment

00:27:11.100 of impasse

00:27:12.140 that's

00:27:13.960 that's the

00:27:14.900 impasse

00:27:15.500 because you're

00:27:16.360 not even

00:27:16.720 willing to

00:27:17.280 listen

00:27:17.640 or as I

00:27:19.540 now hear it

00:27:20.540 the moment

00:27:21.420 the enemy

00:27:22.080 lines

00:27:22.600 shifted

00:27:23.400 so Riaz 0.98

00:27:25.820 what came

00:27:29.180 to mind

00:27:29.620 in listening

00:27:30.420 to that

00:27:30.920 is a

00:27:32.360 friendship

00:27:33.440 is important

00:27:34.640 like ours

00:27:35.420 yeah

00:27:36.120 you can

00:27:38.100 give the

00:27:39.040 benefit of

00:27:40.260 the doubt

00:27:41.180 to a

00:27:41.860 friend

00:27:42.320 otherwise

00:27:45.500 we're all

00:27:46.780 put into

00:27:47.240 these little

00:27:47.860 boxes of

00:27:49.300 and we

00:27:50.060 have to

00:27:50.560 defend that

00:27:51.540 box

00:27:52.320 so friends

00:27:53.940 are important

00:27:55.460 and the

00:27:55.880 big concern

00:27:57.040 and we've

00:27:57.400 talked about

00:27:57.820 this in

00:27:58.120 many of

00:27:58.360 the shows

00:27:58.740 is the

00:27:59.160 editing of

00:27:59.800 your friends

00:28:00.540 and your

00:28:01.240 friend list

00:28:02.000 to line up

00:28:02.740 exactly with

00:28:03.460 what you

00:28:03.780 believe

00:28:04.260 right

00:28:04.620 and so

00:28:05.320 do you know

00:28:06.100 anybody who

00:28:06.760 believes

00:28:07.160 everything you

00:28:07.760 do though

00:28:08.200 do you want

00:28:09.300 to be friends

00:28:09.780 with

00:28:10.160 I think

00:28:11.520 I think

00:28:11.860 when we

00:28:12.520 talk about

00:28:12.920 things it

00:28:13.340 shifts the

00:28:13.840 way I

00:28:14.380 see things

00:28:14.900 yeah me

00:28:15.240 too

00:28:15.400 and when we

00:28:15.820 were I

00:28:16.140 remember we

00:28:16.420 were in

00:28:16.580 Thailand and

00:28:17.040 we're taking

00:28:17.300 a tour of

00:28:17.740 the temple

00:28:18.080 and we're

00:28:18.320 talking about

00:28:18.680 the king

00:28:18.920 and I

00:28:19.180 and I was

00:28:19.680 like from

00:28:20.000 the eastern

00:28:20.400 perspective

00:28:20.840 not the

00:28:21.940 best movie

00:28:22.300 for us

00:28:22.680 because it's

00:28:23.060 sort of

00:28:23.260 but you

00:28:24.080 would never

00:28:24.320 thought of

00:28:24.620 that because

00:28:24.940 how would

00:28:25.500 you unless

00:28:25.820 someone tells

00:28:26.360 you right

00:28:26.800 and to me

00:28:27.520 what I loved

00:28:28.300 about this

00:28:28.720 was that

00:28:29.640 there was

00:28:30.180 enough of a

00:28:30.740 connection in

00:28:31.420 that room in

00:28:31.860 that moment

00:28:32.220 that their

00:28:32.580 invitation came

00:28:33.460 so Ronald

00:28:34.220 Reagan used

00:28:34.720 to say

00:28:35.140 if we agree

00:28:36.800 on eight out

00:28:37.420 of ten things

00:28:38.040 you're not

00:28:38.380 eighty percent

00:28:39.080 my enemy

00:28:39.680 and in

00:28:42.580 our culture

00:28:43.640 we have

00:28:44.300 focused so

00:28:45.120 much on our

00:28:45.660 diversity

00:28:46.120 which is

00:28:47.140 important

00:28:47.560 diversity

00:28:48.060 gives us

00:28:48.540 thrust 0.99

00:28:49.140 diversity

00:28:49.900 of ideas

00:28:50.800 diversity

00:28:51.280 of thought

00:28:52.260 that's what

00:28:53.120 pushes us

00:28:54.040 forward

00:28:54.400 yes

00:28:54.740 but it's

00:28:55.560 our unity

00:28:56.880 on eighty

00:28:58.980 percent

00:28:59.580 that gives us

00:29:01.240 the stability

00:29:02.120 to be able

00:29:03.480 to reach

00:29:04.320 the highest

00:29:05.500 heights

00:29:05.840 and that's

00:29:06.360 that stability

00:29:07.240 is missing

00:29:07.760 and that

00:29:08.800 that

00:29:09.520 and that's

00:29:11.140 what I was

00:29:11.440 looking for

00:29:11.960 was how

00:29:13.140 can we get

00:29:13.580 people who

00:29:13.980 have different

00:29:14.460 ideas

00:29:14.880 completely

00:29:15.280 opposite ideas

00:29:15.980 to connect

00:29:16.640 so how

00:29:17.200 does this

00:29:17.640 story end

00:29:18.200 so so

00:29:18.960 there we

00:29:19.460 were at

00:29:19.800 the gun

00:29:20.260 range

00:29:20.460 the shooting

00:29:20.740 range

00:29:21.000 and Anna

00:29:21.720 and Denise

00:29:22.060 were chatting

00:29:22.540 post-shooting

00:29:23.400 and as they

00:29:24.900 were saying

00:29:25.240 their goodbyes

00:29:25.980 they were

00:29:26.240 talking about

00:29:27.140 the round

00:29:27.860 table conversation

00:29:28.560 with the seven

00:29:29.220 from the evening

00:29:30.220 before and so

00:29:30.940 that's where we go

00:29:31.580 it's like just

00:29:34.520 people being open

00:29:35.560 I think it's the first

00:29:36.620 step too

00:29:37.020 that's what's

00:29:37.600 important

00:29:37.940 that's why I

00:29:39.040 appreciated talking

00:29:39.820 the other night

00:29:40.480 yeah

00:29:40.880 well thank you

00:29:41.720 because I know

00:29:42.380 there were others

00:29:43.260 who were not so

00:29:44.700 open

00:29:45.060 I know

00:29:45.940 to see the

00:29:46.520 side

00:29:46.800 and it was

00:29:47.300 just

00:29:47.640 I know

00:29:48.180 it was frustrating

00:29:49.380 on both sides

00:29:50.020 was it

00:29:50.460 yeah

00:29:50.720 did you feel

00:29:52.080 that

00:29:52.340 I mean that's

00:29:54.020 why I started

00:29:54.500 defending her 0.97

00:29:55.040 I was getting

00:29:55.480 pissed

00:29:55.820 so

00:29:56.400 defending her 0.97

00:29:58.080 that's right

00:29:59.820 the moment

00:30:01.100 of impasse

00:30:01.980 now are you

00:30:03.720 willing to

00:30:04.400 put somewhere

00:30:05.180 that's the impasse

00:30:11.080 because you're

00:30:12.160 not even willing

00:30:12.840 to listen

00:30:13.420 no

00:30:13.760 remember when I

00:30:15.400 said there was

00:30:16.040 more in that

00:30:16.580 moment than I

00:30:17.320 had realized

00:30:17.940 there's Denise

00:30:18.880 defending Anna 0.97

00:30:20.240 by saying you

00:30:21.440 can't do that

00:30:22.220 to her

00:30:22.760 that's the impasse

00:30:24.620 so what happened

00:30:25.380 in that moment

00:30:25.940 I asked Denise

00:30:26.920 later

00:30:27.260 I just felt

00:30:28.580 very angry

00:30:29.680 that someone

00:30:30.560 that was supposed

00:30:31.580 to be sharing

00:30:33.120 my point of view

00:30:33.980 and my perspective

00:30:34.800 was being blatantly

00:30:36.140 disrespectful

00:30:36.900 completely shut off

00:30:39.300 to a human being

00:30:40.160 sitting next to me

00:30:41.200 honestly just like

00:30:42.800 I needed to defend her

00:30:44.200 whether she was

00:30:46.420 on my side

00:30:47.100 their side

00:30:47.760 it didn't matter

00:30:48.800 in that moment

00:30:50.680 the moment of impasse

00:30:52.000 the enemy lines

00:30:53.220 had actually

00:30:53.800 shifted

00:30:54.460 someone on the

00:30:55.640 complete opposite

00:30:56.440 end of the issue

00:30:57.280 became an ally

00:30:58.380 to Denise

00:30:58.920 when there was

00:30:59.780 a greater obstacle

00:31:00.860 to overcome

00:31:01.720 what greater obstacle

00:31:04.380 so I went back

00:31:05.480 to the audio

00:31:05.960 of the round table

00:31:06.720 and listened to it

00:31:08.080 8

00:31:08.660 4

00:31:09.220 6

00:31:10.820 3

00:31:13.260 and there it was

00:31:16.340 1

00:31:16.980 again and again

00:31:17.980 the obstacle

00:31:18.740 to consensus

00:31:19.460 so many of the times

00:31:20.800 was the same person

00:31:22.060 Rick

00:31:22.620 now are you willing

00:31:24.140 to put some

00:31:25.420 version

00:31:25.600 it wasn't his ideas

00:31:28.560 the majority

00:31:29.340 of the room

00:31:29.800 shared his ideas

00:31:30.440 on well

00:31:30.800 pretty much everything

00:31:31.540 it was his approach

00:31:33.060 to the conversation

00:31:33.960 he became

00:31:35.340 the greater obstacle

00:31:36.780 many times

00:31:38.200 we would all agree

00:31:39.080 to an idea

00:31:39.700 but in going around

00:31:40.540 the room for consensus

00:31:41.460 we'd hit the block

00:31:42.300 is that fair

00:31:42.940 for everyone around

00:31:43.800 but the problem is

00:31:46.180 here I am

00:31:50.860 in hour 2

00:31:51.440 anticipating his block

00:31:52.840 to a new idea

00:31:53.660 a role I think

00:31:54.720 he knew he was playing

00:31:55.740 thoughts about that

00:31:57.140 what are you looking

00:31:58.960 for

00:31:59.300 in hour 3

00:32:01.680 here I am again

00:32:02.560 and I'm asking you

00:32:03.440 specifically

00:32:03.860 because you're

00:32:04.400 my nemesis

00:32:06.080 right now

00:32:06.540 and then this happened

00:32:07.980 now are you willing

00:32:09.240 to put some

00:32:10.500 version

00:32:10.660 it wasn't the content

00:32:14.000 of what he was saying

00:32:15.140 it was the way

00:32:16.680 he was saying it

00:32:17.740 the intention

00:32:18.800 behind it

00:32:19.600 and that

00:32:20.460 was because of

00:32:21.360 his number

00:32:22.140 the number

00:32:23.740 he had

00:32:24.300 walking in

00:32:25.100 8

00:32:26.040 4

00:32:27.180 6

00:32:28.720 3

00:32:29.540 10

00:32:30.600 10 or 1

00:32:31.540 1

00:32:32.140 remember those numbers

00:32:33.460 as the sound guy

00:32:35.160 was setting up

00:32:35.920 as people were

00:32:36.740 sitting down

00:32:37.360 and sipping their water

00:32:38.180 nervously

00:32:38.660 I wondered how could I measure

00:32:40.520 the degree of hope

00:32:42.100 that they were bringing

00:32:43.000 to this round table

00:32:43.900 how could I gauge

00:32:45.580 their commitment

00:32:46.400 to finding my list

00:32:47.640 so just as audio

00:32:49.460 started recording

00:32:50.300 you hear me ask them

00:32:51.580 how do you think

00:32:52.620 it is likely

00:32:53.160 1 to 10

00:32:53.780 of finding some sort

00:32:55.160 of consensus

00:32:55.700 some sort of

00:32:56.380 just us

00:32:56.960 just us

00:32:57.540 just us

00:32:58.580 what do you honestly believe

00:33:00.220 and then

00:33:00.620 hand it to me

00:33:02.200 numbers were privately

00:33:03.960 passed to me

00:33:04.620 at the beginning

00:33:05.060 of the conversation

00:33:05.800 and never referred to again

00:33:07.540 until it was time

00:33:08.580 to leave 3 hours

00:33:09.520 and 46 minutes later

00:33:10.720 here is the actual moment

00:33:13.300 the conversation ended

00:33:14.420 and the numbers

00:33:15.500 are revealed

00:33:16.340 you'll hear Rick

00:33:17.780 at the end

00:33:18.740 it's tough

00:33:19.420 it's a tough one

00:33:20.520 can't wait to see

00:33:22.060 where our numbers

00:33:22.640 come out

00:33:23.040 what

00:33:23.820 tell me about the numbers

00:33:25.260 yeah I'm curious

00:33:25.980 about the numbers

00:33:26.500 it was

00:33:29.160 8

00:33:30.500 4

00:33:31.620 6

00:33:33.160 3

00:33:33.980 10

00:33:35.040 10 or 1

00:33:35.980 1

00:33:36.600 1

00:33:37.100 I thought it was a 1

00:33:38.120 but then there's a 0

00:33:38.740 right next to it

00:33:39.220 9

00:33:39.660 0 to 1

00:33:40.800 that was your rate

00:33:41.780 0 to 1

00:33:42.680 interesting

00:33:44.080 Rick

00:33:45.160 was a 1

00:33:46.320 we never

00:33:48.420 had a chance

00:33:49.700 in fact

00:33:52.180 the next day

00:33:53.300 he sent me an email

00:33:54.240 saying

00:33:54.660 quote

00:33:55.000 Riaz

00:33:55.700 I think this was

00:33:56.340 a good cause

00:33:56.880 but the impasse

00:33:57.620 is far too wide

00:33:58.500 a chasm to be crossed

00:33:59.380 end quote

00:34:00.520 a 1

00:34:02.800 will always

00:34:03.920 diminish

00:34:04.460 the hope

00:34:05.060 in any given room

00:34:06.120 just the way

00:34:07.160 that negativity

00:34:07.920 lately

00:34:08.500 overwhelms

00:34:09.320 whatever true hope

00:34:10.480 there is out there

00:34:11.500 we have all been

00:34:12.520 a Rick

00:34:12.960 for whatever reason

00:34:14.420 or whatever mood

00:34:15.240 we've all been

00:34:16.400 that person

00:34:17.320 but a 1

00:34:18.960 is a very

00:34:20.100 powerful thing

00:34:20.960 especially

00:34:21.600 in a very

00:34:22.440 divided America

00:34:23.340 so to me

00:34:25.160 the answer

00:34:26.360 for how do we

00:34:27.620 move forward

00:34:28.260 and work together

00:34:29.840 to keep

00:34:30.720 our children

00:34:31.580 safer

00:34:32.140 is to be

00:34:33.900 any number

00:34:34.700 greater

00:34:35.560 than 1

00:34:36.480 this is Denise

00:34:38.640 at the end

00:34:39.320 of our round table

00:34:40.120 Denise who went on

00:34:41.800 to open up her world

00:34:42.960 to show a fellow

00:34:44.060 American that she

00:34:44.840 isn't a them 0.99

00:34:45.880 Denise's number

00:34:47.300 is 8

00:34:48.540 I'm loving

00:34:49.600 sitting here

00:34:50.200 and like my heart

00:34:50.960 is going out

00:34:51.740 to each one of you

00:34:53.340 for your

00:34:54.160 you know

00:34:54.920 your viewpoints

00:34:56.140 and I understand it

00:34:57.440 it may not be

00:34:58.940 one that I

00:35:00.000 you know

00:35:00.460 fully get on board

00:35:01.340 but I believe you

00:35:02.500 and I know

00:35:02.960 where you're coming

00:35:03.620 from

00:35:04.040 and I appreciate

00:35:04.780 that

00:35:05.240 what's interesting

00:35:09.980 is Denise

00:35:10.860 has been invited

00:35:11.760 by Anna

00:35:12.240 to attend

00:35:12.840 her progressive

00:35:13.340 groups

00:35:13.720 and Anna

00:35:14.700 is taking

00:35:15.160 progressive moms

00:35:16.000 to the shooting

00:35:16.780 range at the NRA

00:35:17.640 to learn more

00:35:18.760 so the bridge

00:35:19.720 is there

00:35:20.480 the bridge

00:35:20.880 starts with

00:35:21.720 just sitting

00:35:22.220 in the same room

00:35:23.120 so Riaz 0.98

00:35:24.020 when I think

00:35:24.840 about coming

00:35:25.660 to a solution

00:35:26.740 in Washington

00:35:27.380 I'm a zero

00:35:29.320 when I think

00:35:31.840 about the

00:35:32.820 American people

00:35:33.720 I'm an 8

00:35:36.660 9

00:35:37.520 it's funny

00:35:39.100 because the only

00:35:39.980 thing

00:35:40.400 I said we never

00:35:41.500 got my list

00:35:41.960 I didn't say

00:35:42.340 there was nothing

00:35:42.920 we didn't agree

00:35:43.500 on the only

00:35:44.060 thing we all

00:35:44.840 agreed on

00:35:45.440 was that we

00:35:46.100 had no faith

00:35:46.800 in the government

00:35:47.380 system that exists

00:35:48.300 that was the

00:35:49.460 only thing

00:35:50.280 the seven of us

00:35:51.160 all agreed on

00:35:52.020 so I think

00:35:54.040 that is part

00:35:54.660 of the problem

00:35:55.140 and I think

00:35:56.300 the best progress

00:35:57.820 that we have

00:35:58.580 the best shot

00:35:59.220 we have

00:35:59.800 is one-on-one

00:36:00.980 and I think

00:36:01.940 that's what I want

00:36:02.440 to continue exploring

00:36:03.160 is these dynamics

00:36:04.040 of the seven

00:36:04.540 one-on-one

00:36:05.120 because based on

00:36:06.060 the emails

00:36:06.420 and the flurry

00:36:06.760 exchanges

00:36:07.160 everyone's still

00:36:08.340 thinking about it

00:36:09.220 because those

00:36:10.160 opportunities are

00:36:10.800 very rare

00:36:11.480 to sit down

00:36:11.960 with people

00:36:12.300 in a civil way

00:36:13.080 so now you're

00:36:13.760 going back

00:36:14.420 to the seven

00:36:15.860 you have

00:36:17.260 connections with

00:36:17.980 two

00:36:18.260 who's next

00:36:20.840 what was

00:36:22.280 fascinating

00:36:22.640 about these

00:36:22.940 seven is

00:36:23.240 they didn't

00:36:23.540 know each

00:36:23.860 other

00:36:24.040 but in

00:36:24.720 those four

00:36:25.160 hours there

00:36:25.520 were so many

00:36:26.080 dynamics that

00:36:26.760 came up

00:36:27.140 there's so many

00:36:27.720 threads to

00:36:28.260 pull at

00:36:28.740 so the seven

00:36:29.720 have this

00:36:30.700 history now

00:36:31.440 and now I want

00:36:32.240 to see where

00:36:32.900 I can take it

00:36:33.540 by them spending

00:36:34.380 more time with

00:36:35.000 each other

00:36:35.380 what can they

00:36:36.120 learn about

00:36:36.980 each other

00:36:37.380 and how can

00:36:37.800 we change

00:36:38.240 not only their

00:36:38.720 opinions on

00:36:39.700 specifics but

00:36:40.880 their feelings

00:36:41.360 towards the

00:36:42.140 other

00:36:42.360 I have a

00:36:43.900 place in the

00:36:44.660 Rockies

00:36:45.020 and I love

00:36:46.140 they're called

00:36:47.460 Quakies or

00:36:48.220 Aspens

00:36:48.720 and I found

00:36:50.040 something out

00:36:50.620 as I was

00:36:51.060 planting some

00:36:51.620 Aspens

00:36:52.060 you don't

00:36:54.240 plant one

00:36:54.920 Aspen

00:36:55.280 the entire

00:36:56.620 Aspen forest

00:36:57.860 is one

00:36:58.660 you have to

00:36:59.820 watch all of

00:37:00.760 them or

00:37:01.740 they'll all

00:37:02.260 die

00:37:02.640 do you know

00:37:03.460 that plants

00:37:04.020 actually the

00:37:04.800 trees communicate

00:37:05.800 through their

00:37:06.120 root system

00:37:06.560 that everything

00:37:07.700 we see about

00:37:08.220 a tree the

00:37:08.740 leaves the

00:37:09.160 branches the

00:37:09.640 trunk are

00:37:10.060 all just for

00:37:10.820 show but

00:37:11.600 the actual

00:37:11.940 communication

00:37:12.480 happens

00:37:12.820 underground

00:37:13.260 and I

00:37:13.840 think when

00:37:14.300 we feel

00:37:14.920 through social

00:37:15.800 media and

00:37:16.280 our posts

00:37:16.640 those are the

00:37:17.380 leaves the

00:37:17.720 branches

00:37:17.960 everything that

00:37:18.360 looks

00:37:18.620 but there's

00:37:19.320 no real

00:37:19.620 connection

00:37:20.120 that has to

00:37:21.180 be in person

00:37:21.700 and that has

00:37:22.260 to happen

00:37:22.540 through eye

00:37:23.000 contact

00:37:23.320 that is our

00:37:24.160 root system

00:37:25.100 human to

00:37:25.800 human is our

00:37:26.400 root system

00:37:26.980 thanks Reyes

00:37:28.140 my pleasure

00:37:48.620 .

00:37:54.800 .

00:37:57.220 .

00:37:58.020 .

The Glenn Beck Program - September 30, 2018

Bonus： Glenn & Riaz Patel ｜ Gun Debate Extended Cut

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