The Glenn Beck Program - Fauci Pleads the 5th to Sen. Paul： What Is He Afraid Of？｜ Guest： Annie Jacobsen ｜ 7⧸29⧸26

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00:01:51.360 I'm going to show you the difference between a conservative and a progressive or a socialist because there's a there's a really very obvious thing and it revolves around Fauci today.

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00:03:23.960 Okay, so Senator Rand Paul started about half an hour ago.

00:03:27.720 He said, you know, it is secrecy that destroys trust.

00:03:31.060 It is arrogance that destroys trust.

00:03:33.440 It is censorship that destroys trust.

00:03:35.780 And it is refusal to admit error that destroys trust.

00:03:39.000 The loss of trust may be your most damaging legacy.

00:03:42.460 Now, he made it clear, at least to me.

00:03:45.780 Jason, I'd love to hear your opinion on this. To me, when he was talking, he made it clear I'm not going after prosecution. We just want answers. We have to know because history needs to know. We have to make sure that this doesn't happen again.

00:04:02.420 And then we had the co-chair from the Democrats. He started speaking. And what did he say? Do we have any clips, BJ? Do we have anything from from him? No. Basically, basically what he said was, you know, Rand Paul is just after him, wants to put him in jail.

00:04:21.460 He's been, you know, persecuting this honest man, a civil servant.

00:04:26.980 Meanwhile, we've got, you know, our government under Donald Trump firing people in the NIH.

00:04:34.140 You mean the people who are shredding documents?

00:04:36.200 Those people that were fired?

00:04:37.640 Yeah.

00:04:38.380 People that were involved in some of this?

00:04:40.220 Yeah, they were fired.

00:04:42.120 And you could see the outline of what was coming.

00:04:45.700 And then Fauci, well, before I get into what Fauci is doing,

00:04:49.160 I think we need a quick reminder of the Bill of Rights and the Fifth Amendment.

00:04:56.100 Here's our song from Torch.

00:04:57.520 I don't have to say a thing.

00:04:59.600 I plead the fifth.

00:05:00.960 When they start their questioning.

00:05:04.140 I plead the fifth.

00:05:05.620 It's my right inside the law.

00:05:08.640 To plead the fifth.

00:05:09.880 Protect my voice, my words, my thoughts.

00:05:12.940 I don't have to say a thing.

00:05:15.140 Now in this song you will hear that

00:05:18.720 Leave it run BJ

00:05:20.620 You'll hear in this song that it says

00:05:22.360 It doesn't mean that you're guilty

00:05:24.560 In this case I think it does

00:05:28.400 It doesn't mean that you're guilty

00:05:30.820 You have a right to protect yourself

00:05:34.540 And your silence doesn't mean you're guilt

00:05:37.380 You're emitting guilt

00:05:39.160 Listen

00:05:40.260 And the lights shine in my face like on TV.

00:05:44.400 I take a breath, stay calm, because it's my right.

00:05:48.620 His hands were shaking like crazy.

00:05:51.000 To keep my mouth shut tight.

00:05:53.740 A couple hundred years ago, things got pretty gray.

00:05:57.620 They'd say you're guilty, and you know it's all confessed right now or pain.

00:06:02.520 But 55 delegates said that's not our way.

00:06:05.940 Your words and thoughts are really yours and shouldn't put you away

00:06:10.420 Not today

00:06:12.640 I'll keep my voice

00:06:15.740 Cause my silence is my choice

00:06:20.920 I don't have to say a thing

00:06:24.020 Says he doesn't have to say a thing

00:06:26.200 He's pleading the fifth

00:06:27.360 So every question, even

00:06:29.080 Do you have a red folder in front of you on your desk, sir?

00:06:32.700 On the advice of my attorneys, I plead the fifth

00:06:36.200 OK, so and Rand Paul said, I'd just like it to be read into the record that he's pleading the fifth.

00:06:42.600 Let's join a little bit of of this hearing because you'll you'll hear who's a CRISPR scientist at MIT also wrote about this gain of function.

00:06:53.540 I implore every scientist, funder and nation working in the field, please stop.

00:06:59.920 No more trying to discover or make pandemic capable viruses.

00:07:03.720 no more experiments likely to disseminate blueprints for plagues.

00:07:08.460 Dr. Fauci, would you like to at least answer this one question for us today

00:07:12.480 and let us know whether or not you've changed your mind

00:07:15.680 on whether or not the benefits of gain-of-function research outweigh the risks?

00:07:21.740 On the advice of counsel, I respectfully decline to answer,

00:07:25.480 based upon my rights under the Fifth Amendment to the Constitution.

00:07:28.980 the chairman has denied your assertion of privilege and directed you to answer but you

00:07:37.880 nonetheless refuse and stand on privilege despite the existence of the pardon the committee will

00:07:43.200 have to consider after this hearing what appropriate action should be taken against

00:07:47.540 you for the failure to testify after being directed to do so it's against the law to obstruct

00:07:52.900 an investigation of congress there will be repercussions to your refusal to testify today

00:07:58.160 Senator Peters.

00:08:03.080 Wow, I've never heard that before.

00:08:06.980 You're not recognized.

00:08:08.440 You're not recognized.

00:08:10.300 If you are unruly, you will be removed from the proceeding.

00:08:13.220 You are not recognized.

00:08:15.960 And you are not recognized, sir.

00:08:18.740 Sir, you are not recognized.

00:08:21.240 You are not recognized.

00:08:22.980 Security.

00:08:26.600 We'll hold off.

00:08:28.160 But you will respect these proceedings.

00:08:30.760 You were told not to sit at the table.

00:08:32.780 You insist on sitting at the table.

00:08:34.380 That's his lawyer.

00:08:35.080 And we told you you would not be recognized.

00:08:37.580 You are not invited here for testimony, sir.

00:08:41.300 You are being disruptive.

00:08:43.820 Would you behave this way in a courtroom?

00:08:45.840 No, because the judge would put you in jail.

00:08:48.080 I can't do that today, but I can have you escorted from the premises.

00:08:51.260 So I would say, sir, sit quietly and don't say another word.

00:08:54.480 I said, sit quietly. You are not recognized. Another word and you're gone.

00:09:05.500 So, Mr. Chairman, I'd like to hear. I've never seen. I've never seen anything like this to say.

00:09:09.920 He is not recognized by the committee or the chair. If he speaks again, he will be removed from the room.

00:09:16.240 This testimony is from Anthony Fauci. This is not a game with his lawyers.

00:09:21.520 He can advise his lawyers can give him advice. He's got a half dozen here

00:09:26.080 They are all allowed to talk to him. Yes. All right, but the attorneys are not recognized

00:09:31.540 In fact, the attorney was told not to sit at the table and he's not obeying that recommendation

00:09:36.540 There's a row behind you sir

00:09:37.780 That's where you were told to sit and you're not and now you're disrupting the proceedings

00:09:42.360 And so look this is the way Anthony Fauci wants to be remembered for a lawyer not listening to the rules

00:09:48.480 That's the way you want to be remembered, and that's what you're going to do.

00:09:51.460 You are not recognized, sir.

00:09:55.440 Security please remove him from the room.

00:09:57.500 Good.

00:09:58.240 Yes.

00:09:58.720 Yes.

00:10:02.120 Get out.

00:10:09.300 I've never seen anything like this.

00:10:16.340 This is so sad.

00:10:18.020 that was scripted you think so why do you say let the record state that dr faust you will

00:10:31.940 still have the advice of the other half a dozen attorneys i guarantee you that was

00:10:35.960 senator peters part of the image thank you mr chairman the uh the covid19 pandemic

00:10:44.260 is not the first or the last public health crisis to impact our nation.

00:10:51.020 He's not about true. He's about image.

00:10:51.660 In December 2022, I released a report that identifies significant failures

00:10:57.280 in our federal government's preparedness and initial response to COVID-19.

00:11:04.100 This report contained 17 key findings.

00:11:05.640 Our initial response, that would be Trump.

00:11:07.480 It's a large report, which I have right here.

00:11:09.880 It contains 17 key findings and corresponding recommendations,

00:11:13.340 including the need to invest in sustainable domestic manufacturing capabilities for critical medical supplies.

00:11:21.860 Build the infrastructure needed to surge testing capacity for infectious diseases

00:11:26.340 and robustly fund public health emergency preparedness and responses across all levels of government.

00:11:34.580 Unfortunately, multiple administrations, including the current Trump administration,

00:11:39.640 But when I have the opportunity, I do correct other people.

00:11:43.340 Our health preparedness.

00:11:45.180 Yes, you did.

00:11:45.580 This is something that I would hope the committee in the future would investigate.

00:11:49.480 It needs to be taken a look at.

00:11:50.280 So few opportunities.

00:11:52.760 It also feels like a new public health threat is hitting us every month.

00:11:57.660 There's a foodborne parasite affecting thousands of people in Michigan and across the country.

00:12:03.120 And our federal agencies still haven't fully pinned down the source of that outbreak.

00:12:10.640 Measle cases in this country are the highest they've been in 35 years.

00:12:16.240 More children are getting sick and even hospitalized from this preventable disease.

00:12:22.540 Over a thousand people have died from the Ebola virus in Africa.

00:12:27.320 And we don't know how widespread this crisis actually is.

00:12:30.920 This administration is being—

00:13:00.920 Stop this. This hearing has nothing to do with the fighting of biological threats. Does it, Jason? This hearing was all about were we helping make a biological threat? Here's why this is really important. Under President Nixon, he said no more. No more. We cannot. Having biological weapons is against international law.

00:13:27.520 okay you're not supposed to have them and so what he left this window open for was okay but

00:13:36.760 we can do research to find cures for biological threats but that's not what fauci was doing

00:13:45.880 fauci was taking things and saying hey what if this happened what if this was mixed with this

00:13:53.980 and this and then it could kill people well but you don't have any you're making the weapon you're

00:14:02.040 making it it didn't happen naturally it didn't happen and then it gets out this is why we uh

00:14:09.840 have annie jacobson on today she has a new book out on uh biological uh threats and it's terrifying

00:14:18.300 it's terrifying um and i think and i don't know this for sure but in listening to her

00:14:27.620 uh you know i started listening to the book yesterday because it just came out yesterday

00:14:31.200 and i'm three chapters in and she is she is thorough on in her research um and i i get the

00:14:41.540 impression that she is very concerned that a biological weapon is going to be used and a

00:14:47.500 biological weapon will kill half of us in a slow horrible way um and it could be three quarters

00:14:56.240 could be a quarter could be half the estimates are a real biological weapon will kill half to

00:15:02.460 three quarters of the population slow and agonizing um what are we actually doing

00:15:11.380 what do we how much of a role are we playing in this you know the the problem with fauci and you

00:15:18.120 see it with his with his diary the guy is so unbelievably arrogant do you have the do you

00:15:25.400 have the thing about him and uh and julia roberts i don't have the video on it but that was absolutely

00:15:31.320 ridiculous so explain what happened he did he did uh i guess an interview or whatever i don't know

00:15:37.320 if Julia Roberts was having a podcast 0.97

00:15:39.400 or something, but she

00:15:41.420 clearly, she's clearly

00:15:43.100 fanboying on Fauci

00:15:45.300 and later Fauci writes in his

00:15:47.300 diaries that, you know,

00:15:49.280 sorry Richard Gere, looks like she had

00:15:51.340 the hots for me. Clearly 1.00

00:15:53.460 he fanned girls on

00:15:55.420 her or however you want to say it.

00:15:57.320 He loved, loved

00:15:59.720 the celebrity attention and

00:16:01.360 that is a consistent thing throughout his

00:16:03.420 entire life. He is an egomaniac.

00:16:05.420 maniac. He's an egomaniacal kind of guy. And anybody when you see this, this whole,

00:16:11.400 this whole hearing, you know what this is really about? Can somebody say no to the president of

00:16:16.960 the United States? And that president isn't Trump. That president is Barack Obama. Barack Obama said

00:16:23.260 no more of this biological research. None of it. None of it. Stop it. And Fauci and his cronies

00:16:31.160 were pitching this very virus they tried to get DARPA to fund research for the virus that was

00:16:40.300 released accidentally oh it might be from the wet market the exact exact disease that they were

00:16:48.920 trying to get DARPA to fund and DARPA said no this is way too dangerous and the president said

00:16:56.000 no Fauci felt well you know what I don't have to listen to the president he doesn't know science

00:17:02.700 like I know science this is important we have to know this and so and so the charges and I mean

00:17:10.860 look if this was in a court of law outside of Washington DC this guy would go to prison for

00:17:15.420 a very long time the the the the evidence is really truly overwhelming it was overwhelming

00:17:24.320 Coming three years ago, four years ago, when we did our first special, as COVID is just starting to break, we're showing the cover-up of Anthony Fauci.

00:17:34.120 And we showed you all of this stuff six months into it, and it is absolutely stunning when you see it.

00:17:42.820 So now we have a guy who is just, in my opinion, responsible for killing millions of people.

00:17:49.260 um not that he did it directly himself but he allowed it to happen and then he covered it up

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00:19:23.800 so when fauci opened up today his hands were shaking

00:19:39.940 He was holding papers and they were shaking and shaking hard.

00:19:43.500 He was terrified.

00:19:45.600 Now he looks a little more calm because he knows he's not going to answer anything.

00:19:49.960 But he had that moment of choice and that moment where he had to say it.

00:19:54.020 And he was very nervous about it.

00:19:56.140 He should be nervous because if Rand Paul had anything to say about it, he will pay a price.

00:20:02.120 Because you can't, when you have, you're obstructing justice.

00:20:06.820 When you have clemency, if you have a pardon, and you've been telling the truth the whole time, and you're going to come out and say, look, I told you the truth.

00:20:18.240 I stand by all of those answers.

00:20:20.940 You can't, you can't, you're obstructing justice.

00:20:23.960 However, he can't say those things because there's so much evidence out there.

00:20:28.860 He knows if he says anything, what's going to happen?

00:20:32.500 his pardon is no good anymore at least not for these crimes that he would have been committing

00:20:38.400 today so that's why his hands were shaking now why is this important why did Rand Paul open up

00:20:44.280 and say look we just want to know the truth we just want to know the truth and I think he was

00:20:49.560 really disarming uh at the beginning because I looked at I looked at um uh Jason I said he's

00:20:55.620 not going for a conviction when when Rand Paul was talking he's not going he's not going for a

00:21:01.080 conviction. Now, maybe that was all theater because he knew in advance he's going to plead

00:21:07.320 the fifth. But he wasn't going for conviction here. He wants, as he said, we have to restore

00:21:16.940 trust. When you can deny the president of the United States out of arrogance, I know better

00:21:25.420 because I am science, when you can do that, what happens with the next guy?

00:21:34.040 Anthony Fauci, by not having to answer these questions, has made our government much more

00:21:39.820 dangerous. We all know this. Look at what they did to us. Look how they locked us down. Look

00:21:45.500 how they used the media. Look how they lied to us about how many people died. How many people died?

00:21:51.920 And I mean, how many people died from the vaccine?

00:21:56.740 How many?

00:21:57.800 How many?

00:21:58.880 Did you know that in 2021, about five months after he gets his shot,

00:22:04.820 Anthony Fauci gets a phone call from a radiologist at Sibley Hospital in Washington

00:22:09.880 because he had bad chest pains a couple of days before.

00:22:14.260 So he goes in for a scan and the radiologist said,

00:22:17.480 it looks like there's a lesion in your lower lobe.

00:22:20.880 And I think it's cancer.

00:22:23.280 Well, it turns out it wasn't cancer.

00:22:28.340 A pulmonologist reread the film.

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00:24:07.580 So it's June 19th, 2021. Anthony Fauci gets a phone call from a radiologist at Sibley Hospital

00:24:13.760 in Washington. Now we know this from the diaries. How did we get the diaries? Rand Paul released

00:24:20.260 his private diaries. No, no. Anthony Fauci was dumb enough to write his diaries on public

00:24:27.200 servers. He wrote them on government servers. Those are now government property. It was

00:24:34.880 um uh jf or rfk jr that found them on the surge on the servers and he released them to ran paul

00:24:42.940 ran paul then said well they're public so release them all we find this out this this little piece

00:24:51.940 we find out now this week that he goes to the hospital in washington he goes in for a scan

00:24:58.080 because he said he's never felt pain like this before he has pain in his chest he's worried

00:25:04.500 Maybe it's a heart attack. Now, he had just gotten publicly his his shot for the the coronavirus.

00:25:14.460 OK, he gets his he gets his shot. That's definitely going to stop it from.

00:25:18.660 You're never going to have to worry about it again anyway.

00:25:21.240 So the radiologist does something because he's Anthony Fauci that no radiologist would ever do.

00:25:26.820 You ask a radiologist, what do you see? The radiologist always says nothing because he's not a doctor.

00:25:31.960 he's a radio nothing nothing i don't i don't know you have to talk to your doctor the doctor

00:25:35.820 will give you that okay so the radiologist looks at it and he says there's a lesion in your lower

00:25:41.740 lobe and i think it's cancer so he writes in his diary that he felt like he was hit by a mac truck

00:25:49.140 turns out it wasn't cancer what was it a pulmonologist reread the film what fauci had

00:25:56.760 was a pulmonary infarct wait what what is that what what is that piece of lung tissue that died

00:26:06.720 because a clot a clot cut off his blood supply

00:26:10.440 wow now wait a minute hang on at that moment he's the most visible advocate for the covid vaccine

00:26:18.400 on the planet he had taken his first dose on live television and then he has this pulmonary infarct

00:26:25.520 and doesn't say anything now the diary doesn't say the vaccine caused the clot Fauci never wrote

00:26:31.800 that Robert Kennedy Kennedy and Dr. Peter McCullough made this connection this week on the basis of

00:26:37.680 timing and the fact that clotting events appear on federal lists of rare adverse effects but the

00:26:43.900 CDC does not list a pulmonary infarction among the common side effects of mRNA vaccines and also

00:26:52.260 Just to be fair, Anthony Fauci is 80 in June of 2021.

00:26:56.240 80-year-old men, they throw clots.

00:26:59.080 If you tried to prove causation in a courtroom on that evidence, you'd lose.

00:27:03.940 And you'd probably deserve to lose.

00:27:05.680 So I'm not saying it is caused by the COVID vaccine.

00:27:09.760 What I am telling you is what's left standing there.

00:27:14.060 A man telling 300 million Americans that adverse events were vanishingly rare, had an event in his own lung and got quietly treated by some of the best physicians in the country, didn't disclose it, not to the press, not to the parents he was asking to vaccinate their 12 year olds.

00:27:34.160 He wrote it down in a private notebook and kept walking to the podium telling everybody, including 80 year olds, you got to get this.

00:27:44.060 That's not a medical question. That's a character question. And the rest of the diary answers all of those questions. In May of 2020, he writes, he's the most famous and talked about person in the country. And there are pages and pages about the actors and the comedians.

00:28:02.260 there's an entry about a phone call from barbara streisand there are entries where he calls ran

00:28:07.620 paul stupid for asking about the nih royalty payments which we proved we proved in our special

00:28:15.860 what was the name of the special the cover-up covid cover-up yeah i think so it's available

00:28:19.860 right now at glennbeck.com you should go back and watch it we proved those payment we showed you

00:28:24.220 the payments were going to the federal reserve why well what was happening we made a partnership

00:28:32.180 before the coronavirus. And then he writes in his diary in 2022, after the midterms,

00:28:41.920 he says, wow, good thing the midterms turned out this way. Paul's not going to be able to

00:28:45.720 haul me into hearings anymore. And then something else on January 26, 2020, five weeks before the

00:28:51.440 World Health Organization would use the word pandemic, Fauci wrote privately that the first

00:28:57.320 infection was in early december and was not connected to the wet market

00:29:03.700 now wait a minute wait a minute wait a minute did you know that because i didn't know that

00:29:11.040 i knew that was true that that it was true not connected to the wet market because we showed

00:29:18.040 you in our special we showed you what was happening and that fauci knew what was happening

00:29:23.140 in that lab in december and really i think it started in september didn't it jason it was

00:29:30.280 september october but it really started to show first signs of this is deadly um in late november

00:29:37.600 early december okay then he goes on to say that the wet market was the amplifier

00:29:42.900 well why would it be the amplifier if it's not the source what what is the source and how is

00:29:50.940 the wet market well the Wuhan lab is right there by the wet market so that would make sense if it

00:29:58.580 came from the lab but go find publicly what he was saying that spring none of this okay so let

00:30:05.980 me tell you exactly what I believe and let me be precise about the word believe because I can't

00:30:12.060 prove it in court this is not a courtroom we have the documents I've made a very powerful argument

00:30:17.820 I think if I was in a courtroom, I would win, but that's not the way our system works, okay?

00:30:23.940 I believe that Anthony Fauci approved gain-of-function research, and he knows exactly how that is defined.

00:30:30.620 Once he redefined it in front of Congress, he went back and they changed it on the NIH website to fit his description of what gain-of-function is.

00:30:42.640 I believe he did it because he's arrogant enough to conclude the work was too important for the law to stop him, and he found a way to rout the money and let him say later that it wasn't technically what everybody knows it exactly was.

00:30:57.520 Wuhan was sloppy.

00:30:59.560 Something went wrong in the fall of 2019.

00:31:02.260 People started getting sick shortly after, and I believe it was the cover-up that followed.

00:31:07.700 That's not a theory.

00:31:09.040 The cover-up is documented.

00:31:12.640 The last part is an opinion. In April, a federal grand jury indicted Dr. David Morin's, that's Fauci's closest aide for nearly two decades, on five counts, including conspiracy and destruction of federal records.

00:31:28.880 The indictment describes Morin's moving conversations off government emails specifically to defeat the Freedom of Information request.

00:31:38.180 It names Peter Daszak of EcoHealth Alliance, the outfit that passed NIH money to the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

00:31:46.400 It lists them as a co-conspirator, along with another guy from Boston University.

00:31:52.640 51 years of theoretical exposure.

00:31:55.620 that case is live right now and the question that i just can't get past is

00:32:04.220 if there's nothing there what were they hiding you don't route correspondence through gmail

00:32:12.460 to protect science you don't shred documents as it was pointed out again today anthony fauci

00:32:20.060 his assistant, is on record shredding documents.

00:32:25.800 Why would you do that?

00:32:27.740 You don't do that unless you're trying to assure that a grantee,

00:32:32.420 their name doesn't turn up in a FOIA production to protect science or to protect yourself.

00:32:38.680 Okay?

00:32:39.880 That's exactly what was going on.

00:32:42.080 And I'll tell you where the case is then.

00:32:43.360 There is no proven link between the coronavirus work at the lab and the outbreak.

00:32:50.720 There are really credible opinions, including that the CIA briefed Fauci early on saying it came from the lab.

00:32:59.580 And then he never said anything about it, including the fact that he early on said it came from the lab.

00:33:05.460 Everybody on his team, there was 13 people in the room, everybody except two said it came from the lab.

00:33:13.360 We always heard it was the opposite. It was just a minority. No, the majority of everybody said it came from the lab. And then he and Peter Daszak went to work. People started getting grants when they suddenly came out and said, no, it didn't come from the lab.

00:33:27.760 And most of the fight over is gain of function. And that's just about a definition at this point.

00:33:34.460 Does this experiment meet the exact federal language? That definitional gap is exactly

00:33:42.080 how he has survived eight rounds of this. The diaries strengthen the conduct of his case

00:33:47.380 enormously, enormously. But they don't close the origins case. And if I didn't tell you this,

00:33:55.040 you should know that I would be selling you something it doesn't but it's a strong case

00:34:01.280 so I think this morning he's listening to his lawyers his six lawyers let him know

00:34:08.720 you could either just repeat exactly what you said before but there might be able to get you

00:34:16.820 into lying which would put you in prison because they now have the evidence that what you said was

00:34:22.240 a lie. So you really have one move left. Well, two, you could say, I don't remember. I don't

00:34:30.040 recall and look like an old man that just doesn't remember anymore. And you could be remembered for

00:34:34.460 that. Or you could look defiant and you could make this whole case look like there that this

00:34:41.780 Rand Paul is just after me. And I'm just this simple public servant and he's after me. And

00:34:47.520 we'll stage a little thing at the very beginning where he's going to force me to get out because

00:34:52.260 I've already been told I can't sit at the table with you. That's not the way this works,

00:34:57.180 blah, blah, blah. Um, and so he'll force me out and that'll only make it stronger. I can guarantee

00:35:03.800 you. That's what he, that's what he took. He took the one move to look like the V the victim and

00:35:09.920 plead the fifth. And John, you, um, uh, laid this out. Um, I mean, it's almost arithmetic the way

00:35:17.000 this works a pardon covers what he said and did before it was signed a knowing false statement

00:35:23.900 under oath today is a brand new federal crime and the auto pin can't reach that one every time he

00:35:31.200 pleads the fifth however remember he says it with a thousand pages of his own handwriting sitting on

00:35:37.240 the table right in front of him a man who never expected anyone to read it wrote down who he

00:35:45.140 actually was and what he was really doing and for the first time today he was asked to sit in a room

00:35:51.400 where we all know exactly who he is it's a sad day for the republic because um you don't you

00:36:00.460 don't have an honest search for truth on the other side the facts are so clear on this

00:36:06.140 and what you have is you have big state it's not democrats it's big state anybody who is for the

00:36:13.880 big state, anybody who is like, look, we're going to have to do things that we have to do.

00:36:18.920 And, you know, if things get tough, we have to have all of the tools in our hands.

00:36:24.620 We have to be able to say, you're not doing that or you go to jail.

00:36:28.380 You have to do this.

00:36:29.780 You have to take this vaccine or you're going to be a pariah.

00:36:33.140 We have to be able to say to the media, no, you do these things.

00:36:38.180 If they start pulling on this thread, you're going to see all of the crimes that were committed.

00:36:43.080 at least crimes against your rights crimes against the bill of rights and the media is

00:36:51.140 not covering any of this because they were cohorts in it they were just as responsible

00:36:56.760 it's a sad day for the republic because if you don't correct this if somebody doesn't pay

00:37:03.940 the next guy who is just as arrogant goes well fauci got away with it do you know why

00:37:11.120 Hitler knew he could get away

00:37:13.420 with exterminating the Jews?

00:37:16.880 Turkey.

00:37:19.840 Turkey.

00:37:21.820 Turkey, the Turks went in

00:37:23.660 and they rounded up

00:37:24.840 and they slaughtered all of the Armenians.

00:37:27.280 Just slaughtered them.

00:37:28.780 And the world said nothing.

00:37:30.980 And Hitler said at the time,

00:37:33.100 the world doesn't care.

00:37:35.340 If you slaughter the right people,

00:37:37.560 the world doesn't care.

00:37:38.740 he knew then I could get rid of the Jews

00:37:41.700 if the world would have cared about the Armenians

00:37:44.140 maybe Hitler would have known

00:37:47.140 they'll care about the Jews too

00:37:49.440 that's the point of this hearing

00:37:53.140 this is not about get them

00:37:54.960 it's not about any of that

00:37:56.800 it's about making sure this can't happen again

00:38:00.400 and you don't set a precedent

00:38:01.880 for somebody who is even crazier than Anthony Fauci

00:38:05.240 no, when the president says you're not doing it

00:38:08.260 you're not doing it and when it happens you better tell the truth i wouldn't have had a problem

00:38:14.640 without fauci i would have had a problem to some degree but not like i do now if he would have said

00:38:19.420 yeah i did this i thought it was the right thing they were a sloppy deal and yeah i i i am responsible

00:38:26.040 not entirely but i have to admit i played a role i would have actually had i actually would have

00:38:31.360 had compassion for him um he still should have paid a price but i would have had compassion for

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00:44:36.280 and empowerment this is the glenn beck program glenn beck is all right today's big fauci day

00:44:48.020 on capitol hill but nothing is happening because fauci was surprised is uh pleading the fifth

00:44:54.300 uh his lawyer got thrown out uh and taken out of the uh taken out of the hearing room

00:45:00.740 Some are saying this is nothing but a show.

00:45:04.200 And Rand Paul is only after him because he hates Fauci.

00:45:08.480 No, I think Rand Paul is probably the only guy that has this really right.

00:45:13.480 And Fauci is truly, and I don't use this lightly,

00:45:17.960 I think he's truly a monster of a human being.

00:45:21.180 He is really, what he has done in his life with this and the way he has behaved,

00:45:27.320 He cares more about himself than the millions that died.

00:45:31.120 And I don't, you know, we're never going to put him in prison.

00:45:33.140 Nothing's ever going to happen.

00:45:33.980 But if we don't get to the bottom of this, this will happen again.

00:45:36.580 And we'll grow a bigger monster than Fauci.

00:45:40.200 This is really not good.

00:45:41.860 Now, I want to talk about something else.

00:45:44.120 You know, we learned about the Fifth Amendment under Fauci because that's what he is saying.

00:45:48.380 Doesn't mean that he's guilty.

00:45:49.720 It just means I have a right to not speak.

00:45:52.060 um the uh eighth amendment we're gonna get to if we have time today but probably tomorrow

00:45:58.300 eighth amendment now has three different cases on it and that's cruel and unusual punishment

00:46:02.400 and the fourth amendment is also in the news today our problems all stem from us not understanding

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00:46:16.120 argument is big because we're talking about flock cameras flock cameras you know when you have

00:46:22.220 cameras in a store in parking lots because costco doesn't want bad things happening in their parking

00:46:26.560 lot that's one thing but when you have flock cameras thousands of cameras all over the city

00:46:31.820 and the police the sheriff and the city are using it uh to spot crime uh and make assumptions quite

00:46:40.560 honestly um that's a real problem a real problem and we are creating a panopticon for ourselves

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00:46:54.640 i want to talk to you a little bit about flock cameras because there's a good side to it and

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00:48:20.240 So let me start with a good on flock cameras.

00:48:23.440 Because flock cameras are starting to become even less popular than data centers.

00:48:31.760 So let me give you the good side.

00:48:32.700 truck gets stolen out of a driveway two in the morning 10 years ago that was a report a case

00:48:38.240 number and a shrug good luck maybe we'll find it okay today a camera on a pole reads the plate as

00:48:44.660 it crosses the county line a deputy has a direction of travel before the owner finishes his coffee

00:48:50.240 another one woman with dementia there was a woman with dementia they didn't find her body right here

00:48:56.540 I live right across the street from a reservoir in this canyon that my ranch is in.

00:49:02.580 And it was snowy, really bad.

00:49:05.260 Woman with dementia gets into her car and she's driving and she's trying to find her way home.

00:49:11.420 She has no reason to be in this canyon.

00:49:13.320 It's nowhere, this is not the direction of her home, but she has dementia.

00:49:17.080 It's late at night.

00:49:18.860 She drives off, you know, the road, a little cliff, and she goes into the water.

00:49:23.960 and the car sinks into the water.

00:49:30.340 Nobody knows it because it was in the middle of the night.

00:49:33.820 Nobody knows where she is, has no idea until the thaws come

00:49:38.660 and then the water line starts to go down in the summer

00:49:42.080 and you start to see the car and you're like, oh dear God.

00:49:45.560 And they pull her car and her out.

00:49:47.300 It took months for anybody to know where she was.

00:49:50.200 If you had a Flock camera, the system would know.

00:49:55.100 Families would have known maybe they would have been able to stop her before she even got into this canyon.

00:50:02.140 Flock Safety says it's technology supported by more than a million public safety investigations last year,

00:50:09.640 assisted in 20% of solved cases where departments used it, helped locate more than 10,000 missing people.

00:50:17.740 Now, that's the company's own number, unaudited, so weigh it accordingly.

00:50:21.100 But go tell the sheriff who found a missing child with one of the flock cameras that they don't work.

00:50:27.340 And you're going to lose the argument.

00:50:28.560 And you should.

00:50:29.240 It works.

00:50:30.260 And nobody serious should say otherwise.

00:50:32.780 It is great.

00:50:36.140 But it has a dark side, as everything does in today's world.

00:50:41.420 The camera doesn't read the plate of a stolen truck.

00:50:45.100 It reads every plate.

00:50:47.060 It reads yours on the way to work, yours on the way to church, yours on the way to the doctor, yours on the way to the lawyer, the gun store, the divorce attorney.

00:50:54.300 And the newer ones don't stop at the plate.

00:50:56.640 They log the make, the model, the color, the dent in your fender, the rack on your roof, the sticker in your back window.

00:51:03.780 Some of them track people and faces, not just cars.

00:51:07.180 And all of it drops into a searchable database and sits there for weeks.

00:51:13.100 Now, one camera is a tool.

00:51:15.800 90,000 of them wired into a network across thousands of communities is not a tool.

00:51:22.980 It's a standing answer to a question nobody asked.

00:51:27.080 And that question is, where has this person been for the last month?

00:51:31.900 Now, you can talk about theoretical abuse, but let's talk about real stuff that is already happening.

00:51:38.780 Officers in Georgia have been arrested over the misuse of the system.

00:51:42.280 police around the country have lost their jobs for running plate readers on women that they're

00:51:47.460 interested in. Columbus officer ran immigration searches. Reporters found police using a search

00:51:56.600 function to hunt for people by tattoo and t-shirt, not cars and people. In Los Angeles,

00:52:03.480 the department's own inspector general flagged how often the system falsely flagged vehicles as

00:52:08.780 stolen, which means innocent drivers were getting pulled over in California at gunpoint because the

00:52:15.820 software misread a letter. So cities are starting to cancel this, more than 50 of them, 39 in the

00:52:23.740 first five months of this year alone. Syracuse pulled 131 cameras off the poles. Denver let its

00:52:30.740 contract lapse. Los Angeles let its expire. Then, city after city, a different crew showed up and

00:52:38.620 bolted a different camera onto the same pole. Now it's Axon. This is the taser company, the body

00:52:45.560 camera company. They're already sitting inside of those police departments. Denver cut the camera

00:52:51.380 count in half, shortened the data retention from 30 days to 21, and called it a victory.

00:52:57.280 Syracuse changed the vendors and kept the network. Security expert Bruce Schneider said

00:53:03.780 leaving a flock for Axton is like quitting FanDuel

00:53:11.500 because you're addicted to it and joining DraftKings.

00:53:15.800 It's the same thing, okay?

00:53:18.780 The problem is not the company.

00:53:21.580 The problem is there is no rule.

00:53:24.900 A contract gets renegotiated.

00:53:26.840 A vendor will get swapped.

00:53:28.740 Police chief retires.

00:53:31.100 Counsel turns over.

00:53:32.400 And every promise that protected you walks right out the door with that person leaving.

00:53:38.320 The law is the only thing that survives the next election.

00:53:42.380 If you're going to have flock cameras, you have to have law.

00:53:48.420 Good news, we already have one.

00:53:50.640 We've had it since 1791.

00:53:53.560 In fact, BJ, do you have a little bit of the song from Torch 250?

00:53:59.220 This is a song about the Fourth Amendment.

00:54:02.400 Do you have it? Play it if you have it.

00:54:06.180 The Fourth Amendment is all about how you can't do these things.

00:54:11.000 Listen.

00:54:15.740 Number four protects your rights.

00:54:21.460 You've got to have a warrant.

00:54:22.860 You have to have probable cause.

00:54:24.360 Otherwise, leave me alone.

00:54:30.900 There is no warrant.

00:54:32.400 These flock cameras have no warrant.

00:54:35.460 Warrants have to come from a judge.

00:54:37.680 They're issued on probable cause.

00:54:40.600 What's the probable cause of watching me all of the time?

00:54:45.900 You're not searching my place or my person by name.

00:54:54.160 But I will tell you, it's either the Third Amendment, which is watching you all the time

00:55:00.400 through, you know, having somebody, you know, having a military posted inside of your house,

00:55:07.260 which is the third amendment, or it's the fourth amendment. Where is your search warrant?

00:55:12.760 How can you possibly search me? How can you possibly watch me all the time? Okay.

00:55:20.440 The men who wrote the fourth amendment had lived under a piece of paper that let an officer search

00:55:26.360 anyone he pleased. They could go in and just say, I don't need a warrant. I can search you.

00:55:35.260 I can haul your butt over here for anything I want. A camera that photographs every single

00:55:41.600 car that passes it is a warrant with no name on it. You know, I've been doing this for years.

00:55:51.580 I've been reading this stuff. I mean, I've been doing this job for 49 years. I've been

00:55:55.540 read in this stuff about the amendments for 25 years. This has happened before. I'm looking now

00:56:02.600 for all the times that these things have happened before. Listen to this one. Did you know in August

00:56:06.780 of 1945, days after the war ended, the ink is barely dry on the surrender. Two men from the

00:56:14.600 Army Signals Intelligence went to New York and sat down with three companies that carried

00:56:20.300 telegrams. It was Western Union, RCA, and ITT. And they said, we need a copy of every telegram

00:56:29.700 going into or out of the United States. And the company said yes. It ran for 30 years. Truman,

00:56:38.780 Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon. At its peak, analysts were pulling 150,000 messages every month

00:56:45.960 without a warrant not one court order that's the same as your car not one american knew what was

00:56:53.100 happening they called it project shamrock so they're pulling all of these there's nothing

00:56:57.740 going wrong but they're just watching the traffic okay there was no law against it at the time no

00:57:05.420 law against it no a lot nobody had written one because when it started the technology was new

00:57:10.560 the war had just ended and everybody involved meant well finally was exposed in 1975 the senate

00:57:18.960 dragged it into the daylight and investigators asked the retired deputy director whether reading

00:57:24.240 americans telegrams had been legal and he said i don't know you'll have to ask the lawyers

00:57:28.400 that's the problem so congress wrote the law the foreign intelligence surveillance act

00:57:34.520 made the wholesale warrantless collection of raw telegrams phone calls everything else

00:57:39.260 It required a warrant to target an American, and that program ran three decades in the dark, and it died two years after somebody turned the light on, 30 years before anybody found out about it.

00:57:52.500 Flock has been at this for seven, and we know, but that's the entire advantage.

00:57:59.760 It has a shelf life.

00:58:02.640 Knoxville County, the mayor there, Glenn Jacobs, I think.

00:58:07.820 He looked at a plan for 270 cameras in his county,

00:58:11.580 funded by more than a million dollars in grant money.

00:58:14.440 And he said, yeah, no, no.

00:58:17.460 Not let's study it, no.

00:58:20.700 His commission didn't ban them on Monday.

00:58:23.000 They voted to keep arguing and come back next month.

00:58:25.580 That's a fight, not a defeat.

00:58:29.360 And there's a Tim Burchett is filing a bill in congressman to stop federal agencies from buying or accessing the systems that track people.

00:58:41.280 Thomas Massey says he's going to file one to cut the federal dollars to departments that deploy them.

00:58:46.280 Fifty three cities already walking away.

00:58:48.680 There is another response out there, and I have to tell you, I understand it.

00:58:54.060 But people are now going out and they're vandalizing these flock cameras.

00:58:58.180 that is really bad a man in new mexico uh just violated uh the uh he was arrested for taking

00:59:07.660 out 13 of these flock cameras and told the tv station when they got him i'd do it again and i

00:59:13.300 get the anger but a man with a crowbar doesn't change anything that a purchase order can't undo

00:59:19.600 by friday you destroy them you're only going to make the case for flock cameras even bigger we

00:59:25.080 You got to get these hoodlums off of the streets and they'll just go buy another one and replace it.

00:59:30.440 OK, you have to do something the next vendor can't undo, uninstall, replace and the windows closing.

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01:01:06.680 Jason just said to me in the break, I'm glad you're here as my moral compass.

01:01:10.140 That doesn't bode well.

01:01:11.400 That does not bode well.

01:01:12.700 It really doesn't.

01:01:13.640 Okay.

01:01:15.160 Look, here's what's happening.

01:01:17.140 The window is closing here because they're turning everything into infrastructure.

01:01:22.300 There are now reports of cameras hidden inside what looks like ordinary speed limit signs.

01:01:28.100 And the CEO who last year compared the people mapping his camera locations to terrorists spent this month apologizing for the word.

01:01:37.500 But this is not a company in retreat.

01:01:39.880 That's a company just waiting you out.

01:01:43.280 Infrastructure is the hardest thing on earth to remove.

01:01:45.520 That's why I said you don't understand what Donald Trump is doing.

01:01:48.340 By the way, I have to tell you about this phone call that Donald Trump called me yesterday.

01:01:51.460 and i talked to him about this very thing um you it's why when he says we have 18 trillion dollars

01:01:59.680 in infrastructure coming in the money coming in they're building factories that's what he's doing

01:02:03.760 you don't remove factories okay once the polls are up and the contracts renew on autopilot

01:02:10.720 the line item stops getting read out loud at meeting it stops being a decision anybody makes

01:02:16.800 and just starts being the weather, okay?

01:02:20.700 Three companies, one agency, no laws, 30 years, it ended.

01:02:25.240 We did this before,

01:02:26.580 but not because somebody smashed a telegraph office,

01:02:29.200 but because citizens made the representatives

01:02:31.500 write it down in plain English.

01:02:35.260 This is what the government is,

01:02:36.940 and this is what the government is not allowed to ever do.

01:02:39.920 You still have that power.

01:02:42.260 It just doesn't keep unless you reinforce it,

01:02:45.340 Unless you're going to your local community and your county commissioner, you ask your sheriff, how long is the data held?

01:02:52.080 Who else can search it?

01:02:54.100 Any federal agency ever run a query on my plate or anybody else's plate?

01:02:58.200 Ask your state legislature why the law governing this was written before the smartphone existed.

01:03:05.100 Ask this month while it's still a debate, not a fixture.

01:03:08.320 The Fourth Amendment says searches need a name on it.

01:03:11.840 there's no name on flock cameras which means the name is yours you cannot allow this to happen we

01:03:20.340 are creating a panopticon if you don't know what that is look it up it's fascinating it seems like

01:03:26.060 common sense there were these prisons and guy decided if i build a round prison and all of the

01:03:32.900 doors to all of the jail cells surround the guard i put the guards in the middle and they sit at a

01:03:40.000 round desk and so they can see into every cell the entire prison is viewable at any given time

01:03:47.020 they said that was cruel and unusual punishment because people are not they're not built to be

01:03:53.880 monitored all the time that's why there's there's no cameras in cells it was cruel and unusual

01:04:01.340 punishment the eighth amendment you're creating a panopticon by not by going out and being violent

01:04:08.840 You're only going to make that worse. You've got to go to your city council meetings. You've got to organize and you have to pass a law that says either these are not allowed or they're allowed, but you can only keep the information for 10 days and you've come up with really stringent.

01:04:27.480 I want you to know, if you allow it to happen, it will be abused.

01:04:32.340 The, you know, the Surveillance Act, the one that stopped everybody reading everybody's

01:04:37.680 telegram, that's what the FISA courts, that's what the FISA courts are done for.

01:04:42.040 Okay, all of that came out of this.

01:04:45.540 They stop one thing and they say, we're going to stop them.

01:04:48.040 We got to have warrants.

01:04:49.320 Yeah, but what if somebody overseas is connecting, you know, with a terrorist overseas?

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01:05:02.340 Flock cameras, that is double garage doors wide open.

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01:05:09.780 But it's only going to happen one community at a time.

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01:05:17.240 Private cameras are different.

01:05:20.140 Connected cameras for the government?

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01:06:50.400 so yesterday i'm i'm in my art studio and i'm working on a painting and um and the phone rings

01:07:06.540 it's the president i look at the phone and i see i see you know potus and i'm like what i can't what

01:07:13.880 is my my life is so weird mr president glenn i just wanted to say hello so he's talking to me

01:07:22.340 about several things uh i just wanted to share one thing that he said i asked him i said is it

01:07:29.960 is it uh because i said it's it's i know it's been a hard day for you today because of lindsey

01:07:35.780 graham and we talked about lindsey graham for a while and the meeting with benjamin and yahoo and

01:07:40.700 and yada yada everything that happened yesterday and he said you know but it's a tough job it's a

01:07:47.660 tough job and I said let me ask you is it tougher to be president or to run for president and he said

01:07:57.540 hmm that's a great question let me think and he said you know what the first time it was harder

01:08:05.320 to be president he said because i had no experience at it and i didn't know where the the you know the

01:08:13.260 hidden trap doors were and i was surrounded by bad people and so i was hunted and he said so it

01:08:19.360 was harder that time he said this time i would say it's easier to be president but this time

01:08:28.220 I'm not hunted I'm the hunter and I thought oh my gosh and he said uh he said uh and there's some

01:08:37.340 big game gonna be brought down soon I think you're gonna be very excited I was like okay okay

01:08:43.220 Mr. President all right nice nice talking to you anyway so uh I don't know what I mean he is

01:08:49.560 on it he is on it I want to tell something else I talked to him about um you know this theory that

01:08:55.500 I gave yesterday. I said, Mr. President, people don't understand what you're doing. And I said,

01:08:59.300 you really, I tried to explain it this morning, but you know, really have to explain to people

01:09:04.280 what you're doing. You're looking long-term, et cetera. And I'll go over that later. Probably

01:09:09.140 maybe, maybe tomorrow, if somebody will remind me, maybe I'll go in tomorrow on, on what he said,

01:09:13.220 because it's really important that our side understand the long-term game that he is playing.

01:09:19.100 uh now let's talk about iran because iran is not i mean it is going the way i think i've always

01:09:33.780 thought it would um but i was very very hopeful that it wouldn't go this way um and i shouldn't

01:09:41.220 say it that way because i thought if it went poorly we would be looking at 300 a barrel gas

01:09:46.820 or $200 barrel gas, and it would collapse the world's economy.

01:09:51.820 And that's not happening.

01:09:54.140 In fact, gas went down again yesterday, didn't it?

01:09:57.020 Oil went down.

01:09:58.000 I was thinking gas went down a penny, I think, yesterday.

01:10:02.560 And then there was strikes last night, so maybe it went back up

01:10:06.540 because now Saudi Arabia is getting involved, and that was in Iran.

01:10:11.720 Sorry, that was in Iraq, right?

01:10:13.620 Jason, explain what happened with Saudi Arabia.

01:10:15.760 Saudi Arabia and the U.S. did some kind of joint action, and it was on proxy forces.

01:10:21.060 And that's unusual, isn't it?

01:10:23.680 It's kind of unusual that the Saudis got involved.

01:10:26.840 It's unusual, and I don't know.

01:10:30.540 I guess it's not the norm of how the war has been progressing so far, with most strikes being in Iran proper.

01:10:39.360 but there were yesterday well it was a couple of days ago there was an attack from uh iran it was

01:10:46.500 it came from kind of a remote area area within iran and uh they attacked in jordan military

01:10:53.780 u.s military facilities in jordan now every single patriot intercepted uh the missiles i think they

01:11:00.200 shot off like five missiles and we shot every single one of them down but they targeted u.s

01:11:04.600 forces in jordan and this goes against the current pause and attacks correct um which is interesting

01:11:11.420 because there was a lot of chatter that there were elements within or a faction within iran

01:11:16.920 that are pushing towards um you know negotiations more mou type stuff there's another faction and

01:11:23.620 i don't get me wrong i think all of them are radicals i think they're just split on how to

01:11:27.700 deal currently with the situation there are progressive radicals and then there are and i'm

01:11:32.160 metaphorically. There are progressive radicals, and then there are communist radicals.

01:11:36.700 The communist radicals are the ones we're starting to see with the DSA, that they're coming out and

01:11:41.280 they're saying, yeah, we don't agree with the free market, and we want to shut down the

01:11:44.680 Senate, and we're going to shut down the Supreme Court, and we're going to do something entirely

01:11:49.300 different. That's a progressive communist, somebody who has said, we've done enough

01:11:55.740 game playing here. We're close enough. Just take it now. And then there's the progressive radical

01:12:01.100 that is still there that is like no just slow down slow down slow down we have them where we

01:12:05.580 want just buy more time we're making slow progress right yeah that's the difference between the two

01:12:12.020 radicals there's no good guy yet that has appeared right and so and i think that the action we took

01:12:16.760 against those proxy forces in iraq are probably aligned with the faction that are the as as glenn

01:12:23.960 put it like they're like the communist marxist radicals the ones that want to do direct action

01:12:28.200 right now yeah that that would be my guess and i think that the trump administration that a couple

01:12:33.380 of days ago there was a report that um we were pausing to basically see uh because basically

01:12:39.460 because we thought the economic damage we were doing was more effective than the military damage

01:12:44.000 so they want to see what already in the dire straits that they are to see what the blockade

01:12:49.700 the naval blockade and the other and and the rest of the sanctions and everything else is going on

01:12:53.900 How much that will push their government to implosion and see if that works faster than military strikes?

01:13:00.440 Well, the problem is you're hurting the people with economic.

01:13:03.860 You're really hurting the people with it because they'll be the last ones that the government cares about.

01:13:09.160 And they just executed one or two people.

01:13:12.260 I think yesterday, right, two people executed them for, you know, vocally coming against the current administration.

01:13:21.540 uh you know that's a lot of people in this country would would be dead if that were the rule yeah so

01:13:29.080 they are still strong arming their people to sit down and shut up and it's a double-edged sword

01:13:33.740 because if it's economic damage that we're inflicting on them how long it may take the rest

01:13:39.800 of the world's also suffering economic damage so i still we are on a timeline with them we know

01:13:44.920 through oil reserves and as we see oil prices tick up and the oil reserve problem did you read the

01:13:51.280 story today i think it's in show prep um if you don't get our daily show prep you should there's

01:13:55.120 so much in there that we don't uh that we don't get to but all of them are the stories that i and

01:14:00.320 my staff feel should be read should be we need to be aware of these stories even we don't talk about

01:14:06.100 them on the air so read them um you get it it's free glennbeck.com just look for our free show

01:14:10.500 prep um but in there there is a story i think it's today that uh was about how the strategic

01:14:16.960 oil reserve we are now at a place to where it is um hurting the mechanisms of these giant caves

01:14:27.240 i'd love to we should do a show on the strategic oil reserves and what they are because i've always

01:14:31.860 thought i'm in tanks you know but they're in giant caves a lot of these things um and the

01:14:37.660 infrastructure is so old that when it gets down to a certain level you're actually doing damage to

01:14:44.740 the infrastructure it's exactly what we said was going to be the problem with iran you know they

01:14:49.160 have to stop pumping at some point but then that infrastructure decays and then you can't use it

01:14:54.420 anymore we're getting into that same situation europe i think is already in that situation and

01:14:59.760 china is almost in that situation i mean it's not good i'd like an update specifically on the

01:15:05.140 iranian iranian side because i i think we even had an expert on to talk about what what that

01:15:09.760 what what's not them not being able to pump oil what is that doing ricky what our don't we have

01:15:16.600 our secretary of energy on here in the next few days yeah we are just working on timing and i've

01:15:23.620 already told the team like to talk to him about the strategic petroleum reserves and where we're

01:15:27.580 at with that okay good that's what i want to know good yeah what what is that how that works

01:15:32.200 yeah so thank you good and i would like to know an update because remember everyone was saying

01:15:38.540 that as soon as that runs out, then they're in real trouble.

01:15:41.840 What did they do?

01:15:42.900 I'd like an update on that.

01:15:44.240 Somebody has to know.

01:15:46.200 Ricky, assign that to one of the producers to track that down.

01:15:48.740 We'll get that story for you.

01:15:49.940 So where do we stand today with Iran?

01:15:52.260 Better or worse, about the same?

01:15:54.240 I guess about the same.

01:15:56.040 If you listen to a lot of people that analyze this right now,

01:15:59.400 a lot of them are saying the same thing,

01:16:01.340 which is, look, take a breath from military strikes.

01:16:05.480 let's see what happens with uh inflation in iran the strength of the of the real um see what happens

01:16:12.760 with that over you know the next few weeks as the naval blockade stays in force because they think

01:16:17.220 that the economic damage will be a lot faster and forcing the implosion the problem with that is is

01:16:22.780 they keep hitting you know we're only responding we have stopped and it's not like you can not

01:16:30.240 respond yeah or can you do you think that's wise to not respond well i mean if the iranians are

01:16:37.200 also seeing news reports of us running out of serp stair missile interceptors you believe that

01:16:41.780 munitions in general i don't know what to believe on it i know it's not an infinite amount so it is

01:16:46.580 a finite amount so i i i don't know how many we have but if they to your point though if they

01:16:52.700 continue to goad us into using military action that goes to their benefit if they can deplete us

01:16:58.200 So we now have and this is not unusual. We now have Russia sending arms to China. China sending no Russia. Ukraine said Russia was sending arms. And now we have new information that China is also sending arms. So, you know, and that's what happened during the Cold War. It's a proxy war.

01:17:19.700 You know, we're in a proxy war with Russia and China, and that's not good if we can keep it from a hot war.

01:17:28.260 I mean, we've been here before, but we had mutually assured destruction holding at bay.

01:17:33.360 And we have that with China. We have that with Russia.

01:17:35.740 We don't have that with Iran.

01:17:38.760 They're crazy.

01:17:40.000 But the problem is, if we sense weakness, or sorry, if they sense weakness, if they believe our strategic oil reserve is almost empty tank, which I believe it is, but if they believe that and they believe they don't have any more, just completely drain them of all of their military supplies, if they feel that they can drain us, then they will.

01:18:05.980 because we're spending so much money doing this.

01:18:09.180 Remember, what brought the Soviet Union to its knees in the end?

01:18:13.080 Reagan and Star Wars and the giant military buildup.

01:18:18.100 We're doing a giant military buildup and we're using all of it.

01:18:22.780 And so we're having to build more.

01:18:25.100 And we don't have the money, but we also don't have the infrastructure to do it.

01:18:30.460 Now, we supposedly have endless supplies, and I don't know what to believe on that.

01:18:35.740 But I certainly don't want our enemies to believe or be in doubt that we have enough supplies because that only encourages them to collapse us.

01:18:48.640 Keep pushing, keep pushing, keep pushing.

01:18:50.260 It goes back to the monologue I did on the special about a month ago for the insiders where I said everybody is just saying, hold on, just a little bit more, just a little more pressure, just hold on, hold on.

01:19:00.560 We're doing it to them.

01:19:01.440 They're doing it to us.

01:19:02.360 it's it's we're just waiting to see who gets to the finish line first uh all right let me tell

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01:20:29.120 I want to change subjects here. 0.99

01:20:45.780 We have Annie Jacobson on here in just a second, where Fauci is testifying.

01:20:52.680 Her book just came out on biological warfare, and it is terrifying.

01:20:56.620 We're going to talk to her.

01:20:57.360 She is really an amazing and fascinating guest.

01:21:00.660 But I want to play something that I saw this video of this teenage lifeguard that went into the water to rescue this boy.

01:21:09.520 Go ahead and play this while I'm explaining.

01:21:12.840 I have respect for water.

01:21:17.180 I don't like the water.

01:21:18.540 I don't like giant waves, et cetera.

01:21:20.440 But I've never seen anything like this.

01:21:21.920 I respect the undertow.

01:21:24.540 But this is remarkable.

01:21:26.300 This is in California, and this kid is out, and he just gets sucked out farther and farther and can't make it out.

01:21:33.140 The lifeguard sees him, runs in after him, and is trying to pull this kid out, and he gets really close.

01:21:40.100 And then another wave comes and just knocks them all down and sucks them back out.

01:21:46.080 It's amazing.

01:21:47.420 Either one of these people is alive.

01:21:49.440 The kid, in fact, the guy, Scott Vander Dussen, who made this video, he said the boy was moments away from not coming back.

01:21:58.540 A few seconds, a few degrees, a few yards of distance.

01:22:00.760 This is a very difficult story with a very different ending.

01:22:03.200 And you can see it.

01:22:05.160 If it would have ended this way for the lifeguard who went in after him, he would have been left to carry it largely on his own.

01:22:11.780 He goes into how firefighters and everybody has a circle where they can get together and get grief counseling in case they failed.

01:22:19.440 And lifeguards aren't like that. There's a new bill sitting in committee someplace right now trying to give lifeguards the status of first responders, which they are. They should. Can you imagine a 16-year-old going in doing that and losing that kid? How he would beat himself up for the rest of his life, especially if he didn't have money for counseling? And it shouldn't be his responsibility for counseling, for doing his job as a lifeguard.

01:22:42.120 but uh that kid is a hero he's coming to the white house the president's going to give him a

01:22:46.640 a hero's welcome but i have to tell you it's one of the most impressive things i've ever seen

01:22:52.380 did you watch it jason you seen it oh gosh the i've never seen undertow like that that was

01:22:56.920 never terrifying that's california that's insane ricky yeah when i saw that video and the reaction

01:23:04.940 to it and the white house's um you know offer for him to come to the white house and get a

01:23:09.160 Presidential Medal of Freedom. I clapped because we need to normalize this kind of masculinity.

01:23:14.900 We need to normalize making heroes out of people. Again, this is what makes America exceptional.

01:23:20.480 So congratulations, young man. And let's get more heroes like him.

01:23:24.960 16-year-old kid. 16-year-old kid. And you saw adults just standing there filming it.

01:23:31.700 You know, I mean, I'm not going in. What am I going to do? Me, I would drown because I don't

01:23:36.220 swim well um but there were a lot of people that were standing on the edges and finally because

01:23:41.240 you could see it the kid i thought was dead because they were just dragging him in at the

01:23:46.420 end he was just barely there um and even the lifeguard was so winded and so tired from beating

01:23:54.040 that uh that wave uh that i mean he this could have been a very both of those guys could have

01:24:00.340 been lost when this happened. It's remarkable footage. And, and thank you. Thank you to all

01:24:08.580 lifeguards, in particular, this lifeguard. What an amazing hero.

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01:26:21.860 One of my favorite writers, investigators, is Annie Jacobson.

01:26:27.600 I have so much respect for what she does. 0.72

01:26:30.240 She does years of research on something

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01:26:46.780 At telling a great story

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01:26:51.340 After she's done all her investigation

01:26:52.760 She knows how to capture your attention

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01:26:56.360 She just did a scenario on nuclear war

01:26:59.360 That was her last bestseller, and it was, holy cow, was that good, especially if you

01:27:04.180 listen to her.

01:27:05.280 She has such a beautiful voice, and she's so dry and calm that when she's talking about

01:27:10.560 things that are horrifying in such an almost detached sort of way, it makes it even more

01:27:15.980 disturbing, but you can get through it.

01:27:19.640 I started listening to her new book, Biological War, yesterday.

01:27:25.060 I'm about halfway through it and it is I mean it's riveting and I knew it was going to be

01:27:32.160 terrifying when you know back in the 90s there was a guy who ran the Soviet biological warfare

01:27:38.860 department and he was terrifying and I did an interview with him he wrote a book I can't remember

01:27:43.240 what it was called and his name is Ken Albeck or something like that and he defected and he wrote

01:27:50.200 a book about what the difference is between Russia and the United States and what he had

01:27:55.860 experienced in Russia, where they were looking to kill people in these horrible experiments that

01:28:01.540 they did. She went even further on this because she was quoting him and went even further than

01:28:08.020 he went. And then she gets into a horrifying scenario of what a real outbreak looks like.

01:28:17.620 this is so important today because fauci today is pleading the fifth and think what you want about

01:28:26.440 covid and the masks and everything else we know because we have the evidence now

01:28:33.280 that there was at least a cover-up there's no real solid absolute proof that it came from

01:28:39.860 the Wuhan lab. But I think the evidence is so strong that it's at least the most likely scenario.

01:28:49.100 And the fact that we may have been involved in that. What else are we doing? What else is the

01:28:54.280 United States or other countries working on? How bad are these labs? This just seems like we're on

01:29:00.220 a suicidal path and no one's going to pay a price for what just happened. And more importantly,

01:29:06.100 we're never really going to know the truth about what happened. Annie Jacobson joins me in 60

01:29:11.880 seconds. First, I'm paying the commercial rate for this one. It's my company, realestateagentsitrust.com, 0.54

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01:29:23.260 buy or sell your home right now, realestateagentsitrust.com. Okay, Annie, welcome to the

01:29:29.260 program. Thank you so much for having me, and thank you for that lovely introduction.

01:29:33.020 terrifying why do you do this how did you how did you come i i was i was listening to the book last

01:29:41.360 night and i'm like what part of you makes you look for the darkest most terrifying things and

01:29:48.540 then expose them is this what is this what you planned on doing with your life at some point

01:29:53.820 why did you choose this i'm a national security reporter who writes about war and weapons and my

01:29:59.200 first six books were written in the past tense and these two books nuclear war scenario and

01:30:06.640 biological war scenario look at the future based on hypothetical pentagon war games and yes they

01:30:14.080 are terrifying but you know i say that right in the author's note in the beginning it ends in

01:30:20.320 dystopia but at the same time you can look at the book as a cautionary tale so here's the problem

01:30:28.540 You know, I was just talking about Fauci and pleading the fifth.

01:30:32.640 I really would like to see the guy go to jail if the evidence could be proven in the court of law.

01:30:37.280 However, I just want the truth.

01:30:40.440 And we have to have standards because if something, if we were involved in something, mistakes were made, we have to know those things.

01:30:49.100 People have to pay a price or the next time it will just be worse.

01:30:54.180 What are your thoughts on this?

01:30:56.880 And did this play a role? Did COVID play a role in you writing this book at all?

01:31:03.520 Everyone I interviewed had an opinion about COVID, specifically about, you know, the lab leak at Wuhan.

01:31:10.340 But I left it out of the book for a very particular reason, because I wanted readers to be able to come to their own conclusions, whatever their preconceptions may be.

01:31:20.200 And I do think people think and look differently at COVID after they read the book.

01:31:25.840 That's the feedback I've gotten so far. The book just published yesterday. But, you know, absolutely right. COVID could have been, on top of all the horrors that it was, it could exist for us as a nation as a terrific example of, you know, what might happen, what could happen.

01:31:45.980 And instead, it's left this fractured society with people absolutely digging their heels in about their beliefs.

01:31:54.640 Not everyone, but a large portion of America, I think.

01:31:58.060 I think more important than just what they believe, the trust is gone.

01:32:05.320 It's just gone.

01:32:07.200 If it happened, if an outbreak happened today, half of the country would not believe Donald Trump.

01:32:12.460 if it was joe biden or kamala harris half of the country would not believe her and there's so many

01:32:19.340 people now that no matter who's in the office they don't trust the science because they couldn't

01:32:25.820 admit any mistakes anywhere along i would have so much sympathy for people who made mistakes and

01:32:33.040 then said i made this horrible mistake i thought at this time because i think we i think the people's

01:32:38.540 intent at the very beginning was this could be really bad we got to do everything we can but

01:32:44.040 then there came a time to where i don't know what the motivation was but let's just call them all

01:32:49.560 these horrible mistakes and they never admitted it so we've lost the trust yeah there's so much

01:32:55.960 uncertainty when you're talking about bio you know you've said you've gotten halfway through the book

01:33:01.740 Well, it doesn't end well. You know, I think what people will really be surprised to learn about is, you know, COVID had a case fatality rate of 1%. 1%. One in 100 people die. There are genetically modified pathogens out there that have 100% case fatality rate. Everybody dies.

01:33:21.620 And I show readers what the government has planned for that kind of event. And when you see what exists on the books, you know, I take the readers from outbreak to anarchy in six days. Anarchy. And then you learn what happens after anarchy.

01:33:39.420 And so, again, I really hope that the takeaway from this is not panic, it's pressure. Because when people read this book, which is all based on sources telling me, I'm talking about presidential advising, okay, yep, this is actually what we do.

01:33:55.560 they will say, whoa, like we've got to drop the rock on those other issues and really focus on

01:34:04.880 what people are supposed to do, what people can do. But you're absolutely right that

01:34:09.440 there has to be a kind of accountability for it because no one likes to be misled. And whatever

01:34:15.200 you say about the lab leak, whatever you fall, you absolutely know now that public health officials

01:34:21.160 We're not being honest.

01:34:24.400 That doesn't work in my family.

01:34:26.400 It shouldn't work in the government.

01:34:27.820 No.

01:34:28.940 So Annie, you're writing this, and I've been watching you for the last couple of months, and really since we spoke last time right after the last book.

01:34:40.440 I've been watching you and seeing your reaction to pathogens and biological weapons or biological problems.

01:34:51.160 How convinced are you that we are near something, and near something not like the Spanish flu, but from an accident in one of these labs?

01:35:05.840 You know, case in point, I mean, accidents are listed in Defense Department nomenclature as having the same plan go into effect as an attack.

01:35:18.680 And that's the only wargaming I know that considers that.

01:35:23.040 I mean, a nuclear accident is going to be dealt with entirely differently because it's going to have entirely different consequences than a nuclear attack.

01:35:30.980 Biological is actually called biological incident or attack.

01:35:36.000 So a lab leak, 100% is as deadly as an attack.

01:35:41.840 Because the pathogen, if it's airborne, the weapon system is the human lung set.

01:35:49.640 So shouldn't what this gain-of-function research, I mean, we are just suicidal.

01:35:58.720 All of this stuff that is out there already, sitting deep in a lab.

01:36:04.020 I mean, I understand if we're looking for cures for these weapons, but I just don't know.

01:36:08.940 It feels as though we have crossed a point to where we're almost insane and will appear to be suicidal at some point down the road.

01:36:18.680 Um, and, and you can't use any of these biological weapons.

01:36:24.040 It's all against the law since Nixon.

01:36:27.160 Um, but how many countries are still doing this stuff?

01:36:31.460 Well, for starters, look at the labs.

01:36:33.600 So there are 110 BSL-4 labs around the world.

01:36:38.660 That's the maximum containment lab.

01:36:41.300 And BSL-3, by the way, is just right below that.

01:36:44.020 you can work with plague, hantavirus, anthrax, rabies in a BSL-3 lab. And there are 3,500 of

01:36:53.380 those labs around the world. And so the idea of an accident is, you know, we're just right at that

01:37:00.380 precipice. You mentioned about like suicide. I quote, there was a existential sort of philosopher,

01:37:08.240 Nick Bostrom spoke, God, it's 10 years ago now, about AI maybe being humans' last great invention.

01:37:16.660 And I echo him, only I say that about genetic modification of terms.

01:37:22.840 That could very well be 21st century humans' last invention.

01:37:30.220 You know, when you actually know why Elon Musk wants to go to Mars, it makes more sense.

01:37:36.700 You know, he wants to get off before AI and the singularity happen because he's like, otherwise man may not exist.

01:37:43.900 You know, we don't know what's coming our way.

01:37:45.820 The same thing with biological weapons.

01:37:48.760 You know, we don't have a seed vault for the human race.

01:37:53.440 We screw this up.

01:37:55.360 There's no seed vault.

01:37:56.360 And I think that's what Elon Musk is trying to do with Mars to some degree.

01:38:01.400 Let me take a one minute break, Annie.

01:38:03.520 And then I want you to just set the scene for this war game narrative and take us through it.

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01:39:27.360 so annie you tell your readers right at the beginning of the book before you get into the

01:39:37.880 story this ends in dystopia why do you give away the ending that's the only ending glenn that is

01:39:45.500 the only ending with a genetically modified pathogen to be airborne among the population

01:39:53.020 You might as well know that right off the bat.

01:39:55.740 I mean, Tom Cruise is not coming to save the day.

01:40:01.980 You sure?

01:40:03.420 Give me just a sliver of it.

01:40:06.840 But?

01:40:08.020 But, well, you know, I think you and I have spoken about this before when we were talking nuclear,

01:40:13.180 that I really love the phrase, you can't fix what you can't face.

01:40:18.760 because what it also means is you can fix what you're willing to face.

01:40:23.580 And so when you have a bit of knowledge about these subjects that are so terrifying,

01:40:31.400 then you can arm yourself with the correct information.

01:40:35.580 You can understand when a mask would be appropriate and when it isn't.

01:40:41.000 You can understand, you know, when the hantavirus outbreak happened, for example, in May,

01:40:46.400 and everyone was all worried about it.

01:40:48.200 Well, that was a legitimate fear because there is a strain that is airborne.

01:40:51.600 When it proved not to be that airborne strain, you could take different measures.

01:40:58.980 People don't notice, so they go to an alternative narrative.

01:41:03.440 How could you not?

01:41:05.600 All right.

01:41:06.360 So take us through the scenario that you lay out in the book.

01:41:09.380 We've got about five minutes here.

01:41:10.560 Lay out the beginning of the scenario.

01:41:12.460 What's happening?

01:41:12.940 I tie everything to either something has happened in the past or, you know, things that Defense Department games out in the future.

01:41:21.180 So you have an outbreak at a BSL-4 lab in Siberia, in Russia, because Russia still has a bioweapons program in violation of the treaty.

01:41:30.620 very quickly. You got airborne, you got travelers, hunters, international businessmen in that area

01:41:39.120 of Novosibirsk get on planes and they go to every continent but Antarctica. There you have it. It's

01:41:46.360 spread. And once it's spread, it's too late. I show what the defense department, what the

01:41:51.940 intelligence community is doing, you know, gangbusters to try to understand what this

01:41:58.540 pathogen is because until you know what something is, how do you try and defeat it? And very quickly

01:42:04.480 it arrives in the United States. And then I show readers the plans in place that the president has

01:42:11.800 that the biodefense council has. And most interestingly to me was understanding that

01:42:16.440 it's a bureaucratic nightmare, meaning you don't have the defense department in charge

01:42:22.260 who essentially are kind of like go to it, get it done, say what you will about the DOD,

01:42:27.460 but that's what they do. You've got HHS in charge. You've got CDC who reports to HHS.

01:42:33.920 You've got FEMA. You've got DHS. You've got all these organizations sitting around the White

01:42:39.400 House trying to organize themselves, their thoughts, and their plans. And it all moves

01:42:45.200 very quickly. And by the time they decide what they can do, and by the time that USAMRID,

01:42:51.380 the DOD's only BSL-4 lab at Fort Detrick, is able to identify the pathogen in my book as

01:42:59.480 pneumonic plague, one of the scariest to all public health officials pathogens with a hundred

01:43:06.940 percent death rate. By the time they know that, it's too late. How many BSL-4 labs have that

01:43:16.700 pathogen? Plague is, I mean, plague, Glenn, think about it. The bubonic plague of the 14th century,

01:43:25.040 there are history books written about this. And I quote survivors, what they said happened to

01:43:30.060 people. And everyone thinks, oh, bubonic plague is a thing of the past because Yersinia pestis,

01:43:36.640 that's the germ. Antibiotics will kill that germ. Well, not anymore when you're talking about

01:43:43.520 genetic modifications. One of the things that gain of function does, it makes pathogens more

01:43:49.720 virulent, it makes them more transmissible, and it makes them able to defeat existing vaccines

01:43:56.640 or antibiotics. And so if there is no cure, you just have mass death, you have anarchy,

01:44:04.300 you have insurrection. And I show readers, I'm not going to spoiler alert because I want you

01:44:08.780 to experience this. But what happens after the Insurrection Act is declared is a classified plan

01:44:16.640 called the Devolution Plan. And I was able to get Obama's former FEMA director, Craig Fugate,

01:44:24.380 to take me and I take readers up to the edge of what can legally be known about that plan,

01:44:30.560 where all the government goes off to secret bunkers called hot sites, cold sites, and warm

01:44:38.720 sites. So let that stew in your imagination when you finish my book. Thank you very much.

01:44:45.900 I hate you so much. I want to leave the program right now and go read the rest of the book.

01:44:53.420 um um so annie um can you give us something because when you describe the guy on the plane

01:45:03.380 oh my gosh how quickly he is devolving um and how it is everywhere on that plane

01:45:13.200 um and it's just one guy um it's a little terrifying yeah you know the go ahead i was

01:45:23.020 going to say, may I butt in? Yeah. Because in your intro, I cannot forget this in your intro,

01:45:28.940 you, you mentioned Ken Alibac and he was one of the defectors and there were a number of them.

01:45:35.540 And I interviewed their CIA handlers for the book and learned a lot more. And I interviewed

01:45:40.860 one of the world's experts on plague at USAMRID, at the DOD's BSL-4 lab, who told me what Alibac

01:45:48.920 was really doing and his team in the Cold War, in the Soviet bioweapons program, never reported

01:45:55.640 before. They were inserting through gain of function, genetic modification. They were

01:46:00.960 inserting the gene. This is what you're referring to, the traveler on the plane, the gene for

01:46:06.560 euphoria. And so you may say to yourself, well, what on earth would that be for? What would it do?

01:46:12.060 Think about it. If you're really sick, you go home and get under the covers and you don't infect anyone. But the Soviet sort of malevolent scientists thought if we inject euphoria into the pathogen, people will go out and socialize. They may even go to the disco and they will infect other. That's dark.

01:46:38.640 Oh, really dark.

01:46:40.600 We're going to come back and we'll talk some more

01:46:42.260 because I want to spend some time on Ken

01:46:44.140 and why he defected in the end

01:46:47.160 and what he experienced

01:46:48.320 and some of the stuff that he did that I didn't know

01:46:50.900 that you reveal at the beginning of the book

01:46:52.700 that is just white-knuckle terrifying.

01:46:56.460 Annie Jacobson, the name of the book

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01:47:06.580 All right.

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01:48:26.620 annie jacobson is one of my favorite writers and next to ray porter the best narrator of any book

01:48:42.560 she is the author of nuclear war a scenario which is a must-have area 51 operation paperclip which

01:48:52.540 is amazing um and a whole bunch of other books her latest is a biological war a scenario it is

01:49:01.540 a companion to nuclear war and it is terrifying and annie you say in your book that we can mitigate

01:49:07.140 the devastation and i want to get into that here in a second but i want you to tell people the

01:49:11.920 story about what uh ken i can't remember how to say his last name alaback is that yeah exactly

01:49:17.920 Yeah. Okay. Ken Alabek. He was made in charge after there was an accident in the lab. He was put in charge of their biological weapons in the Soviet Union when it was still the Soviet Union. He later defects, comes over here to the United States and starts telling us and helping us on different things. But can you explain the scenario that I was not aware of, of the mental institution, in air quotes?

01:49:47.000 That's a crazy detail that came.

01:49:48.980 I got access to the journals of the originator of the super plague weapon program in Russia,

01:49:56.680 a guy called Igor Domorodsky.

01:49:59.220 And, you know, I love, you comb through all this information and you find something that

01:50:04.160 just kind of sums up the situation.

01:50:06.940 And that was that they had a facility where they were working on plague south of Moscow

01:50:11.300 in a town called Oblensk.

01:50:13.660 It was like a tiny village.

01:50:14.860 But they were so paranoid – this is in the 70s and 80s – they were so paranoid that the U.S. government was spying on them from space that they disguised the institute to be a mental institution.

01:50:28.740 They even went so far as to hire actors who would wear pajamas and stand out there, sometimes in the snow, and play volleyball.

01:50:38.280 and they are and they are looking for something that is going to kill everyone and did they were

01:50:51.140 they ever testing these out on people i mean that is a dark question and we don't know that i mean

01:50:59.040 it was alluded to me that totalitarian countries um have a different set of principles if you will

01:51:06.400 about testing, you know, drugs, essentially weapons. But, you know, their program that

01:51:12.120 the Soviets were working on, they called it, this is actually Alabeck's quote, I believe,

01:51:16.300 their Manhattan Project. But even darker, their plan, he said, was to kill all the people

01:51:25.700 in America and the West and leave the infrastructure intact. And so you have this

01:51:32.940 image of these like Soviet soldiers marching in with their high stepping boots and taking over

01:51:40.820 because unlike nuclear, the buildings are still there. I talked to the inventor of the neutron

01:51:47.220 bomb and that was the, he was, he was during the, I think the first Gulf war, he was saying we should

01:51:53.560 drop the nuclear, the neutron bomb. And I'm like, you're out of your mind. And he was the inventor

01:51:57.220 and proud of it. And he was like, but it leaves all the infrastructure. I'm like, dude, you should

01:52:01.860 get a nap in. That's terrifying. But how do they think that a plague is going to stay in the United

01:52:11.240 States or wherever they release it? How is it they think that they're not all going to die too?

01:52:16.920 Yeah, it's just the basic concept of blowback that all of us in the 21st century are really

01:52:22.380 clear about because how quickly we can travel around the world. But think about it back in

01:52:28.480 the 70s and the 80s when the first genetic modifications were going on. So, you know,

01:52:34.380 you really have to think seriously about where we are now with things like CRISPR in terms of

01:52:39.740 what can be done. But back in the day in sort of genetic modification 101, the Soviet Union was

01:52:46.220 behind the wall. They did have this idea that they were the fortress on the hill.

01:52:51.540 okay so you talk about mitigating the um the devastation um i know trump obama tried to stop

01:53:00.200 it and that's the thing that fauci just worked around i feel um trump is put is saying he's

01:53:06.360 going to put policies to stop all of this testing how convinced are you that we could trump or

01:53:13.080 anybody could put in policies that will stop this gain of function research you absolutely have to

01:53:20.560 I mean, that's one of the things I write in the end of the book, you know, in the acknowledgements.

01:53:25.160 I say the point is not necessarily panic.

01:53:27.980 It's pressure, pressure to do exactly what you're talking about, where you have to have agreements with other governments that this kind of dangerous research gain a function.

01:53:39.080 But, but Annie, it's not even it's not even having a it's not even having an agreement with another country.

01:53:43.360 We saw Fauci goes against Barack Obama.

01:53:48.220 It's the arrogance of these people that say, no, I'm on a mission.

01:53:54.080 This is really important.

01:53:55.640 I know science more than you do.

01:53:58.660 We have to do this, and I don't care what you say.

01:54:01.740 We'll just find a way to do it.

01:54:03.100 That's in our own country.

01:54:04.660 If we can't stop it here, how do we ever stop it in other countries?

01:54:09.520 I believe you're absolutely right, and you have to sort of – that's where you have to have the reckoning where you say, look, you know,

01:54:15.540 however you're going to frame your apology. But I do want to say, okay, biological weapons are

01:54:22.280 illegal, but there is a carve out for prophylactic purpose. And so that's always what people who are

01:54:31.080 pro gain of function, like Fauci, will say, we are just doing this so we can defend against it

01:54:38.940 if you guys do it. And it's an obvious catch-22. And many people that I know that believe gain of

01:54:46.620 function is just a euphemism for biological weapons engineering stand on the opposite

01:54:52.080 side of the aisle where they're like, you can't call that a carve-out, call it what it is. But

01:54:56.900 either way, you got to have your sort of reckoning about what cannot be done. And then you have to

01:55:04.100 have agreements. And so that pressure, I think, comes from transparency to enforce the Biological

01:55:11.000 Weapons Convention Treaty. It is not enforceable right now. That's from like the top State Department

01:55:16.460 officials I spoke with. Annie, nobody was building these pipelines to cut off, you know, the Strait

01:55:26.740 of Hormuz choke point until we're at war and everybody is, you know, paying six, seven, eight

01:55:32.720 a gallon in gasoline then everybody's like we should build these pipelines they're not going

01:55:37.540 to do this stuff until you know it's too late if they would have if they would if anything should

01:55:44.360 have shocked the world into it it should have been covid look at what happened to our society

01:55:50.460 and to our planet and to our children we have forever changed because of that and i don't see

01:55:56.020 anything changing i don't see anybody willing to even say to get beyond it's donald trump's fault

01:56:03.320 it's uh you know it's joe biden's fault i don't care i don't see anybody who's actually trying

01:56:10.740 to say let's solve this problem so we or our children aren't wiped off the face of the earth

01:56:18.060 i agree with you that it's an it seems like an intractable problem but you know anyone who

01:56:25.840 knows me personally knows that even though I write these very dark dystopian scenarios,

01:56:31.720 I am an eternal optimist. I'm the mother of two boys. And, you know, I just have to believe that

01:56:38.560 something can be done and must be done. And so it's a bit of your intro where you were talking

01:56:44.480 about why wasn't COVID a cautionary tale for us? Why haven't we learned from it? And you could say,

01:56:50.180 call me, you know, a Pollyanna, it's never too late to learn from the past.

01:56:55.380 Yeah.

01:56:56.320 Well, I hope, and I hope that your book does as well as nuclear war did, because I have to tell you, I don't think, you know, we're in a generation now that did not grow up in the Cold War.

01:57:06.060 So they have no idea what nuclear war is, and it is much worse now than it was back then.

01:57:12.760 I mean, it was bad then, but the weapons that we have now, I mean, it's just, it's horrific what can be done.

01:57:20.640 But so far, everybody who has a nuclear weapon understands MAD, mutually assured destruction.

01:57:28.580 And so nobody's willing to do it.

01:57:30.340 It's worked for a while.

01:57:31.880 I don't know if you're not proposing that this is going to be used by some country unless it's a rogue nation.

01:57:38.620 This is really you're worried about an accident, aren't you?

01:57:42.500 Precisely.

01:57:43.080 And that's exactly why the scenario inciting incident is a lab leak.

01:57:47.340 It's an accident at a BSL-4 lab.

01:57:50.640 How likely is this to happen, you know, in 10 years, 20 years?

01:57:56.540 If you subscribe to the idea that the Wuhan situation was a lab leak, it has already happened.

01:58:05.580 How many of these labs? I mean, I mean, I trust an American, you know, level four containment system as much as you can.

01:58:15.700 I know accidents can happen there. But how many of these countries, we have them in Ukraine. I mean, how many of these countries are unstable or sloppy or like Wuhan?

01:58:29.160 Well, you're right in worrying about this. I mean, I threw out the numbers earlier, 110 BSL-4 labs, 3,500 BSL-3 labs.

01:58:37.980 But you know what's fascinating in a terrifying way? Those numbers are not from any government organization, because there is no government organization, either in America or internationally, that tracks and monitors the BSL three and four labs. None. These statistics come to us from academics and scientists who work tirelessly to get that information out to the public, to which most people pay attention.

01:59:05.980 How will we know? I mean, because the problem in this this time when it comes is we don't have trust for the government or science or doctors or anybody else. And if it's one of these really bad ones, I mean, you have a week. How do we how will we know what's real and what's hype?

01:59:25.440 In all Defense Department biological wargaming I looked at that includes incidents or accidents, a common phrase that I came across, which is so disquieting, is that fear of infection is the real secondary effect that kicks in and causes the anarchy and insurrection that almost certainly will take hold.

01:59:52.680 fear of infection. And that has to do with the fact that precisely as you say, if public health

01:59:59.520 officials aren't trusted to say, this is how you can be infected. This is the degree of contagion.

02:00:06.400 This is the degree of virulence. All of those kinds of basic science ideas that all of us

02:00:11.660 should know. They're not that complex. I make them very simple in the book to understand.

02:00:17.020 If you don't trust people that are in charge, then that fear of infection is going to absolutely take hold.

02:00:28.020 But you must have a government when they know that it's really bad.

02:00:32.320 You must have voices in the room that says you can't tell the American people this.

02:00:36.160 They will panic.

02:00:37.140 And then we can't get things done that we have to get done to protect the continuance of government.

02:00:42.620 Right.

02:00:43.720 So, I mean.

02:00:44.780 Absolutely.

02:00:45.340 And that's exactly what happens.

02:00:46.480 And that's why that devolution plan is in place.

02:00:48.860 And when you read about it, I think the outcome for readers is probably like, OK, if they spend this much money and time planning for that, how about we spend some money and time planning for the rest of us?

02:01:02.480 Unbelievable.

02:01:03.500 Unbelievable.

02:01:04.180 Annie, thank you.

02:01:05.920 It's always a delight.

02:01:06.920 I mean, no, it's not a delight.

02:01:08.340 It is always fascinating to have you on.

02:01:10.380 And you're really one of my favorite reporters and writers and human beings.

02:01:15.760 I just so appreciate everything that you have done in the past and will continue to do, I'm sure.

02:01:20.960 Thank you.

02:01:22.200 Thank you for having me on.

02:01:24.200 You bet.

02:01:25.200 Annie Jacobson, Biological War, A Scenario.

02:01:28.700 I am two chapters in, three chapters in, I think.

02:01:32.180 And it is riveting, riveting.

02:01:36.420 And now that I know what she said, I have to tell you, I'm going to leave the show today and just listen to the book.

02:01:44.860 her first one that i uh that i read or listened to on this scenario uh series she's doing is

02:01:51.200 nuclear war and it it was did you ever listen to it jason i didn't but i saw the netflix show that

02:01:56.900 i think was based off of her book oh you should listen to she is the way she narrates it is it's

02:02:03.400 because it's she almost sounds detached you know what i mean her voice is just so good and she

02:02:09.380 She reads it all detached, so it's just the cold, hard facts.

02:02:13.540 And so she's not reading for excitement.

02:02:16.440 She's just reading it cold, and it makes it so terrifying because it's just the facts.

02:02:22.780 Anyway, Annie Jacobson, Biological War.

02:02:25.580 Get it.

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02:02:27.500 All right.

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02:04:04.300 you know i was going to talk about a story that's coming out of california i'm going to go into it

02:04:20.220 in depth uh tomorrow but jason was just talking about it and he said i don't understand as a

02:04:25.800 texan now in the mountain west i don't understand what's happening in california with the coyotes

02:04:30.640 West Hollywood, a pack of coyotes has taken over abandoned West Hollywood complex.

02:04:34.860 They got photos of these coyotes everywhere.

02:04:37.060 The people are wondering, what do we do?

02:04:38.760 What do we do?

02:04:39.480 They're running us out of this area.

02:04:40.960 Right here.

02:04:41.320 This is the answer.

02:04:43.440 That's the answer.

02:04:44.900 California.

02:04:45.740 California.

02:04:46.560 You kill them. 0.93

02:04:47.820 They're coyotes.

02:04:49.200 And I said earlier, I said to Jason when we were talking about this off air, I said, you know what?

02:04:53.960 I guarantee you they're going to coexist with these coyotes.

02:04:57.320 And?

02:04:57.560 They have like an 18-page slide called Coyote Management and Coexistence Plan.

02:05:04.220 Coexistence with coyotes.

02:05:07.600 Californians, you deserve to be eaten by coyotes.

02:05:11.760 You are just so – stop the insanity, please.

02:05:16.220 I know there's so many people who love us in California, and they're like,

02:05:19.860 it's not my fault.

02:05:20.780 I know we're surrounded.

02:05:22.860 I mean, maybe the coyotes are a good thing.

02:05:25.860 Maybe it just will eat the people who are like,

02:05:28.360 hey, just look cute.

02:05:29.320 Let me hug that coyote. 0.77

02:05:30.900 Maybe you just let them eat them.

02:05:32.300 You know what I mean?

02:05:33.800 Darwin, one less dope to deal with.

02:05:37.800 Welcome to Hollywood. 0.95

02:05:39.340 Welcome to California, coyotes.

02:05:42.060 Come across my property line. 0.97

02:05:44.740 I know who you are, and we kill you.

02:05:55.860 We'll be right back.

The Glenn Beck Program - July 29, 2026

Fauci Pleads the 5th to Sen. Paul： What Is He Afraid Of？｜ Guest： Annie Jacobsen ｜ 7⧸29⧸26

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The Glenn Beck Program - July 29, 2026

Fauci Pleads the 5th to Sen. Paul： What Is He Afraid Of？ ｜ Guest： Annie Jacobsen ｜ 7⧸29⧸26

Episode Stats

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Fauci Pleads the 5th to Sen. Paul： What Is He Afraid Of？｜ Guest： Annie Jacobsen ｜ 7⧸29⧸26