A man was shot and killed by the FBI yesterday in Provo, Utah. A neighbor tells us what happened and why it happened. Glenn and Stu talk to the neighbor who has a lot to say about it. Glenn also talks about Global Warming and Joe Biden.
00:03:33.240So, Stu, it is, this is going to be a rough show, and this is going to be a show that you're going to have to actually pay attention and listen to.
00:03:47.700Because everybody is jumping to conclusions.
00:04:17.860Well, we have to go back in time for a while.
00:04:21.900Let me just start with the ending quickly.
00:04:24.780And the ending is that there was a shooting.
00:04:28.660The FBI came to a house in Provo, Utah, and shot a guy who is darn near 80 years old and shot him to death because they thought he was some sort of a threat to the president.
00:04:44.160Well, they had already visited him before and saw that he walks with a cane.
00:09:52.780He was in the wrong by posting those things online.
00:09:58.740Do not be surprised that the Secret Service shows up at your house if you make a threat against the life of the president or vice president or really any authority in Washington, D.C.
00:10:13.620That was happening under Ronald Reagan.
00:10:16.100If you say something about the president, I want the Secret Service, not the FBI, I want the Secret Service to show up at your house.
00:10:30.540Now, why do I want the Secret Service to show up at your house?
00:10:34.300Because the Secret Service doesn't usually show up with guns a blazing because they're treasury people.
00:10:40.980And all of the Secret Service that happens to be in Salt Lake City or Dallas or New York, New York may be different.
00:10:49.640They are generally not part of the protective detail.
00:12:25.340One of the main things the FBI is supposed to be trained in is de-escalation.
00:12:30.500So, if you want to de-escalate and you know the President of the United States is coming to this town and you know this person is a possible threat,
00:12:42.300if you know who he is, you know, okay, he's active in his church, go to his bishop.
00:12:49.200Because they came without a search warrant and he said, this was months ago, you come back with a search warrant.
00:12:57.060You come back with a search warrant, which is his right as American.
00:16:36.560With that being said, I, for one, demand a full explanation and investigation into this because I think the FBI gunned down a harmless man.
00:16:54.060We have his neighbor who is brave enough to come on today and is in mourning because he knew this teddy bear of a man.
00:26:52.320He lived less than half a block away from the church.
00:26:55.820And he would drive himself and his son to church just because he really couldn't walk that distance.
00:27:03.840If you saw him and you were on an FBI interview, would he be the kind of guy that, you know, if you only know that what he said, I've got a ghillie suit.
00:27:16.800I'm going to go up into a parking lot, and I'm going to stake out the president, and I'm going to shoot him with my high-powered rifle.
00:27:25.100Is he the kind of guy that you would, of course, if the president's coming in, you would go and make sure that he's not in his ghillie suit.
00:27:33.760But would that be a possibility or laughable if you had seen him, just seen him and not known him?
00:27:49.400I could not imagine him in a million years getting dressed up in a ghillie suit and taking up some position, you know, as a sniper, you know, in the condition that he was.
00:28:00.420He was just simply not capable of executing these threats that he made.
00:28:33.080My wife is good friends with the next door neighbor who called us immediately after it happened because she had a five-year-old in the house and she was very traumatized and was looking for someplace that as soon as they let her out of her house, she was the whole neighborhood was locked down.
00:28:50.500So as soon as she was able to get out of her house, she wanted a safe place for her and her five-year-old.
00:28:56.040So she called my wife, thought that maybe that could happen.
00:28:59.540And then my wife went over to go check on her and spoke with her.
00:29:05.980And as near as I can tell, the shooting took place inside the house.
00:29:09.880They attempted to bash his front door down.
00:29:16.300Then they had a vehicle mounted battering ram that went in through his front window and then they went into the building.
00:29:22.400And then that's when shots were fired.
00:29:24.700And then for some reason, I don't know, his body was taken out.
00:29:32.240And when my wife went to go check on her friend who was living right next door with her five-year-old son, and they were obviously traumatized, his body was still laying out there on the sidewalk under a sheet.
00:29:56.740That he was just this person that we knew from church, this kind of lovable teddy bear kind of a guy who didn't seem like a threat to anyone, was just laying out there.
00:30:08.620She thought it was very disrespectful.
00:30:11.300People don't understand the neighborhoods in Utah are different.
00:30:15.980Usually everybody goes to church and the church is usually within a walking distance of a couple blocks.
00:30:22.800And so families really get to know each other and children get to know each other.
00:30:27.200Was he the kind of guy that the children knew in the neighborhood?
00:30:32.620I understand that she did everything she could to keep her five-year-old son from knowing what was going on.
00:30:41.980Took him down to the basement to protect him because it was a very scary situation.
00:30:47.240And the second she found someone who could, you know, take her kid and get them out of that situation, she did.
00:30:57.620But they were stuck there while all this was unfolding.
00:31:00.900Yeah, I'm wondering how all the other children on the block, if they saw this man that they knew.
00:31:06.780So, um, did he seem, did he seem at all crazy to you?
00:31:12.880Did he seem like the kind of guy that would, so this was just, I spoke to him on Sunday.
00:31:27.080He has a, an adult son who is disabled, blind, that he's the primary caregiver for and had been up until a few weeks ago.
00:31:35.240His son had a stroke and is now, and, and so I meant to ask about his son, but I didn't.
00:31:44.180And I regret that, but he seemed fine.
00:31:47.260Uh, he was always good natured, quick with a joke, uh, could be a little bit curmudgeonly at times.
00:31:54.500Um, but he was, and I, I said this in my Twitter post, he was a sweet guy.
00:32:00.960And I know that sounds crazy considering what everybody's seen, what he's posted on Facebook.
00:32:05.240But he was, he was a, I think there's, um, I think there's a monster in each of us that comes out sometimes on social media that you're like, you'd never say that in real life, but you just become a monster because you're on social media and you think you can get away with it.
00:32:20.980Um, yeah, I, I think he just kind of leaned into his online persona, but anyone, anyone who saw him and his condition and anyone who knew him and his personality would have just thought this guy is just, he's just trolling.
00:32:37.460And just went over the top and, and, and not very wise, you know, statements, but I can't imagine anybody who knew him thinking that he, he was, any of that was more than just bluster.
00:32:54.140And, you know, I do, I think he just went into some dark places and leaned into his online persona and, and blew it up because he just simply was incapable of enacting any of the things he said.
00:33:07.800But had you ever gone on over to his house or know anybody that you had, did he have guns laying around?
00:33:15.800Did he, was he sitting next, you know, in his recliner?
00:34:37.800But I mean, it wouldn't surprise me because he talked about concealed carry.
00:34:41.680But if he did, he wasn't flashing it in church.
00:34:44.720He wasn't, you know, he wasn't like some of these gun nuts who are flashing their gun and doing everything else.
00:34:51.480If he did, he was very discreet about it.
00:34:54.020And, and it, it never worried me at all.
00:34:56.960Um, he was always very conscientious about his guns, about safety, his guns, his guns were in a secure place in his house.
00:35:04.580Um, and so I, I can't, you know, I can't imagine.
00:35:09.440I mean, yeah, I had guns in the house, but I, I don't know what the situation or how it unfolded.
00:35:14.380But one last thing, this bothers me that the FBI who knows that they're supposed to be trained in de-escalation, they knew he was a ward clerk.
00:35:25.520So he's in part of, you know, what's called the bishopric.
00:35:28.520Um, he is part of the leadership of the church.
00:35:32.400Um, and, uh, he, he's known to be a nice guy.
00:35:37.620If the FBI knows this, they should have gone to the bishop.
00:35:41.520Is he the kind of guy that the bishop would have gone to and said, Hey, listen, FBI approached me.
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