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00:05:30.100 oh what is it we're going to see today um if this was just a tv show you know that we were all

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00:05:47.460 never happen right okay so uh i just want to read uh i just want to read a filing that was filed

00:05:59.360 yesterday in the superior court of the state of delaware demanding a jury trial

00:06:05.700 here's the complaint in march 2024 candace owens a right-wing podcaster told the world she would

00:06:13.400 quote stake her entire professional reputation on the fact that uh brigitte macron the first lady of

00:06:20.300 france is in fact a man that's the first sentence first line i mean i love this i love this since

00:06:28.220 then owens has used this false statement to promote her independent platform gain notoriety and make

00:06:34.160 money owens disregard uh disregarded all credible evidence disproving her claim in favor of platforming

00:06:41.820 known conspiracy theorists and proven defamers and rather than engage with the president and mrs

00:06:48.300 macron attempts to set the record straight owens mocked them and used them as additional fodder

00:06:54.340 for her frenzied fan base but she didn't stop there retaliating against the macrons for the audacity of

00:07:01.600 sending her a retraction demand owens helmed uh an eight-part podcast series entitled becoming brigitte

00:07:08.400 the series uh accompanying x posts uh throughout the series owens and her entities uh endorsed repeated

00:07:16.340 and published a series of verifiably false and devastating lies about the macron on which

00:07:21.720 this complaint is based these are outlandish defamatory and far-fetched fictions included

00:07:27.940 that mrs macron was born a man stole another person's identity and transitioned to become brigitte

00:07:36.540 also that mrs macron and president macron are blood relatives committing incest that president macron

00:07:45.800 was chosen to be the president of france as part of a cia operate operated mk ultra program or similar

00:07:53.440 mind control program and mrs macron and president macron are committing forgery fraud and abuses of power

00:08:00.600 to conceal these secrets this was filed by the macrons against candace owens in the state of delaware

00:08:12.480 which i just have to say i love this story i love this story uh i love this story uh i love this story

00:08:22.920 because it just allows me to go and you thought your day was insane here's the president of france

00:08:30.500 responding to candace owens thinking you're gonna get her to shut up you've just made this a global

00:08:37.620 story for a very long time now and you're not going to win president of france because we have something

00:08:45.640 called the first amendment you are a public figure you are a uh a public politician and your wife is a

00:08:54.820 public figure you can say pretty much whatever you want uh and you're not going to be able to stop her

00:09:04.460 from having her opinion uh yeah i is this is just a complete misunderstanding of the way the law works

00:09:13.900 in the united states is that what i don't know i don't know it had to have had american lawyers on it

00:09:20.820 yeah all right it was fine i mean well american lawyers though they'll take

00:09:24.100 hey give me a bunch of money from the president of france sure we'll file that you're right okay

00:09:30.500 but i mean it's really super hard to come up with a libel conviction a defamatory conviction of a

00:09:40.460 a president a public figure doesn't even live in the united states like i can't even think of how many

00:09:46.520 ways this would be difficult to achieve a victory on right so they say and and this is maybe where

00:09:54.760 they they have a chance they say owens published the series and related expos with reckless disregard

00:10:01.860 for the truth that's the key that's the key standard that's the key reckless disregard for the truth

00:10:07.020 so if she has been saying you know they other people have brought this up and uh the the macron

00:10:16.480 have run uh has have won defamation claims in court you know for the same thing so they've won this

00:10:23.800 here no in france okay in france so they've they've won this if she's not saying here's the other side

00:10:32.560 and they've won this however let me show you this as long as she is um balancing it to some degree so

00:10:43.980 she's not just saying and everybody knows it and nobody's ever stood up against it i mean i don't

00:10:52.060 know i don't listen to the podcast i would i would doubt that she's i would i would think she probably

00:10:57.720 is saying stuff like that everybody knows it and nobody's pretty smart but anyway but but yeah i i

00:11:03.280 don't yeah anyway here's what here's what it is this is just so fun that the the president

00:11:10.280 of france has to file this now let me give you my speculation this is not proof of anything this is

00:11:19.000 just common sense operate uh observation do you remember when macron was at the top of the stairs

00:11:27.640 of the airplane and she just reached out and just punched him in the face okay and he's like hey

00:11:33.300 we're just joking around no you weren't no you weren't at least she wasn't you might have been she

00:11:38.860 wasn't okay um i think this was filed because she was like you're not gonna have any great loving with

00:11:50.200 me young man unless you stop this from happening in america boom and hits him in the face i think

00:11:59.020 this is a guy like my wife is making me file this i i complete and total speculation on your part

00:12:05.240 also seems completely plausible yeah again i'm not saying that that's what it is and i don't i don't

00:12:11.320 care are they're gonna sue please sue me please sue me um but i it's just my my speculation uh that

00:12:21.680 uh that's probably what happened right because she is well first of all and let me say this to

00:12:28.480 to candace candace why do you even have to go there and i i know you think it's a truth or whatever

00:12:35.960 but listen is it not bad enough that this woman is the jeffrey epstein uh of france i mean yes

00:12:46.700 she wasn't grooming thousands of people but she groomed one you know what i mean it's like

00:12:53.220 then this is pretty much known right this is not uh there's no speculation on this no there's no

00:12:58.320 speculation i don't know i don't remember the story is horrible okay she's a teacher he's at some

00:13:04.220 boarding school and uh he falls in love with her and she falls in love with him now if i'm not

00:13:11.600 mistaken he's 15 and she's like 40 15 and she's 40 it's france though you can't no there's no laws

00:13:22.780 there no wait wait wait even the open-minded french were like

00:13:28.480 the dad the mom and dad pull him out once they find out uh because they thought brigette was

00:13:39.060 somebody his age that he was dating then they find out that's your 40 year old teacher at the school

00:13:45.280 and you're like having sex and and so they immediately pull him out and brigette says

00:13:54.540 you are not going to stop me from loving your son you can't get rid of me we love each other

00:14:02.300 and it's true now he goes back after he moves out of the parents house or he's no you know and now

00:14:09.160 he's 18 he goes and seeks her out he goes and seeks her out for some of that loving that he's still

00:14:17.040 getting a piece of uh anyway uh very disconcerting right so and and remember this disgusted the french

00:14:27.360 which is hard to do we should know didn't they welcome roman polanski like we gotta give you some

00:14:34.040 awards i mean they don't have there's no standards is not something they're good at you know what i mean

00:14:41.700 and when you when when the french are like okay that sexually is just too far that's crazy yeah

00:14:50.820 the whole situation is very strange one other part of this that i find very interesting is i don't know

00:14:59.040 i feel like your idea that you're going to win a lawsuit in the united states of america against a

00:15:03.620 public commenter commenting on a foreign president i mean like it just seems incomprehensible to think

00:15:10.440 you're going to win that case but but what i don't even think it's about that what it seems to

00:15:15.840 be about after looking at the documents is they want on record their best case that she's a woman

00:15:24.100 well listen to this listen to this parties and relevant non-parties this is in the complaint okay

00:15:29.920 eight plaintiff emmanuel macron is a french citizen president macron has been the president of france

00:15:35.980 since 2017 prior to being elected president macron served as the minister of economics

00:15:40.440 industry and digital affairs and deputy secretary general to the president president macron is

00:15:45.980 married to brigitte macron in 2007 nine plaintiff brigitte macron is a french citizen the spouse of

00:15:54.820 the current president of france and a woman okay they didn't say he's a man no and a woman we

00:16:02.940 could you put that in the document she's a woman she's a woman oh my gosh uh but it goes through

00:16:12.280 it shows photos of her as a child it shows birth announcements of like other relatives that say

00:16:20.180 and he has a sister named brigitte like brigitte or whatever yeah they go back and document every step

00:16:28.680 of this every piece of evidence they show the the announcements from you know the childhood they

00:16:34.780 they've red circles around uh photos it's insane the detail they went to to try to prove this which

00:16:41.120 is just i just comical just it's just so much fun it's just so much fun because it's happening to a

00:16:48.060 politician who i don't care about okay i don't care you burn france to the ground burn france to the

00:16:53.980 ground i think it's a mistake but burn france to the ground you know what i mean they're doing a

00:16:57.940 good job of it nice areas of it yeah i mean i i have nothing to get well i can't say that

00:17:03.820 categorically but generally speaking i have nothing wrong with france i have no axe to grind with france

00:17:09.740 they were helpful once 250 years ago that's true uh so you know i have nothing to say bad about france

00:17:17.580 but please this is hysterical hysterical hysterical hysterical i mean but it's happening here too

00:17:26.240 michelle obama i mean what is it about us that we're like macron married to a man

00:17:34.960 barry married to a man it is an interesting thing that we do right as a society i've never

00:17:42.180 never seen that before two presidents in the world now the speculation they're married to a man well

00:17:48.840 it draws some attention to the the insinuation of this lawsuit which is to say that if she were a man

00:17:57.440 that had transitioned to be a woman it would be so bad right like it it's like insinuating that this

00:18:05.880 is a bad thing but i was told by all of these people that it was wonderful if you were to

00:18:11.900 transition from a man to a woman it's the greatest thing of all time it's celebrating who you are and

00:18:18.020 your true identity that is the thing that i think proves my point that he's getting smacked in the

00:18:26.840 face every day tell people i'm not a man because in reality it makes she does see as an insult right

00:18:32.880 they're not allowed to admit that right and it's no big deal what difference does it make

00:18:37.780 yeah who cares yeah like i mean honestly like i you know you could we have all sorts of

00:18:43.860 important conversations about whether children should be having surgeries i do not care at all

00:18:49.940 if he if it was an actual dude at one point don't care don't care let me tell you something if you

00:18:55.180 were a man and you admitted it we'd all be forced to say you were beautiful right so you'd solve that

00:19:01.100 problem right now you're just an ugly old hag is that wrong to say wow i just saw you know i've

00:19:08.720 lost it was just filed in a a a mannish ugly old hag whatever right but like that was a groomer

00:19:17.020 you know you know think of it think of poor president macron he's like you know you know you're not gonna

00:19:27.900 get a slice of my pie tonight he should be saying thank god candace owens thank god i got a way out

00:19:38.380 he might be the one leaking these rumors at this point oh my gosh he is but wait i want to know what

00:19:45.720 is it an insult the left has told us it is a wonderful thing you're finding your true identity

00:19:52.340 is it an insult to call someone who is a woman born a woman and is still a woman is it an insult

00:19:59.140 to call them a man you keep telling us it's not you keep telling us it's bad to notice it we you keep

00:20:07.020 telling us it's bad for us to say they were a man at one point why would you would be any basis in

00:20:12.680 their world for a lawsuit claiming that someone got it wrong it's so it's a wonderful gift

00:20:20.780 unless you're a 70 or an ugly mannish 70 year old hag that just can't handle i just can't handle

00:20:30.060 the insult they're gonna file a lawsuit against you in delaware with all the pictures that prove

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00:22:04.000 so here's um here's an interesting article today from the federalist about the cold play thing because

00:22:22.900 i know you're stew almost boycotted the show i think it was on monday he came back and he was like

00:22:27.700 more cold play talk uh so there's this great story in the federalist um the cold play incident

00:22:36.540 didn't fit certain mold of story the left likes to tell tell which is why everyone on the internet

00:22:41.900 could agree when the cold play concert busted two cheating spouses the internet united under one

00:22:48.620 unexpected theme and what is that theme what was the theme i think this person just nailed it

00:22:57.500 what was the theme what did we all unite on um i mean i would i guess the the don't you know

00:23:07.100 commit adultery and you know right which leads you to say marriage is sacred the sanctity of marriage

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00:23:23.960 even the left is actually for that you know you asked me on monday what is this really about

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00:25:15.240 hello america oh to it it's uh thursday got a great program coming up for you not today but one

00:25:37.280 of these days it'll be a great program we're working on it we're working on it uh today just

00:25:41.160 suffer through it with us um there's a couple of things you know the the the macron thing

00:25:45.900 you know i think stew has a really good point on uh why is this such a bad thing to say that

00:25:56.560 she's a man because it's totally fine if you're a man or a woman i guess maybe it's just because

00:26:04.020 to be clear that's not my point i'm just saying no no but i mean it was one of your you know one

00:26:08.920 of your points and not a one of your observations right it's in their world yeah in their world that

00:26:14.780 should be not this shouldn't be an insult at all it's wonderful yeah um and and yet somehow or

00:26:20.780 another it's uh it's really not everything that the left is is doing for instance uh we were just

00:26:33.620 talking about what was the what was the story i did right after that sarah it was uh what i can't

00:26:39.920 hear you cold play oh yeah cold play the other was the marriage marriage is what brings us together

00:26:48.780 um they they all say marriage is not that important yada yada yada but they don't mean

00:26:57.580 that either look at the cold play thing so the reason why and you know they don't believe it

00:27:04.460 they know they're not right on this because they force everyone to just agree or shut up if you don't

00:27:12.960 agree don't say it out loud or they'll come and get you okay so you know that because

00:27:18.760 when you believe something do you want to force everybody to shut up no because you know you know

00:27:26.340 it's true and you'll fight to the death that it's true and it's just the way it is i'm not gonna force

00:27:32.780 you to shut up about you know uh macron is a beautiful woman no she's not she may be a woman but

00:27:41.220 definitely not beautiful you know a big mike that's definitely a man but uh you know you don't

00:27:48.800 why force people into it it makes no difference it makes no difference why say marriage is uh it

00:27:58.040 doesn't matter if it's between a mare and a woman and it's not sacred it's not and then everybody when

00:28:04.320 they see that cold play thing they're immediately going wow that's bad everybody universally everybody

00:28:11.120 goes that's bad you're told to shut up and sit down if you say marriage is sacred um shut up and sit

00:28:20.860 down they don't believe it themselves otherwise why would you have to have the the goon squad come out

00:28:28.320 against anybody who is saying anything different or who won't toe the line

00:28:34.600 it's it's really an amazing thing and we see we we're starting to see all of their little tricks

00:28:43.320 all of the things uh that they've done this this tulsi gabbard thing first of all

00:28:48.940 you know they're saying well this is none of this is new news no you're right most of it is not new

00:28:54.660 news we had it however however it had been denied because we didn't have all of the evidence of it

00:29:02.860 so it was a conspiracy theory now it's not a conspiracy theory now it's conspiracy fact

00:29:09.320 and they're saying now where they used to deny it now they're just saying it's old news everybody

00:29:15.360 knew that wait a minute yeah wait a minute what where's the middle part of that story correct

00:29:21.060 we never get to the middle part never we always get to it's not real and it's old where's the part

00:29:27.560 where it's real and it matters that we never get never get there never get there and the reason why

00:29:33.020 even if this was all known what this what's being released now and i showed it last night on tv and if

00:29:41.100 you if you missed it you can find it on blaze or you can find it at my youtube channel youtube.com

00:29:46.060 slash glenn beck um what was released yesterday and last week is not just about what barack obama

00:29:55.720 did on i think it was december 9th okay it's the entire grand conspiracy it's showing the pattern

00:30:04.280 it's showing oh my gosh these people did this and then forget it that might be old news

00:30:12.340 and this one might be old news and this one might be old news and this one but what's not old news is

00:30:18.420 oh my gosh look they all line up to be a grand conspiracy and that's the point of all of the

00:30:27.500 stuff that that tulsi is doing it never stopped it started back then and they got away with it and

00:30:35.080 they kept doubling down on it and kept using the same people and the same tactics over and over and over

00:30:41.260 again so what's new is not necessarily all the little train stops what's new is it's on the same train

00:30:48.720 track it's one it's one starting place and one destination on the same track there's no switching

00:30:56.720 of trains or anything it's the same track so that shows that it's consistent conspiracy to collapse or

00:31:07.280 to discredit donald trump and collapse his presidency and they're still trying to do it and the other

00:31:15.260 thing that is in this from yesterday that i didn't see a lot of people talking about was hillary clinton's

00:31:21.860 health it talked about because somebody hacked into the dnc records which they had what was the name of

00:31:30.940 it uh the the private organization that that uh looked at the dnc uh hacking it wasn't investigated

00:31:39.660 by the fbi why wouldn't you have had the fbi looked look into who attacked the dnc servers

00:31:46.500 especially if you're on the left why wouldn't you have the you control the fbi at that time

00:31:52.680 it's all their people why wouldn't you have them look into it why why did you have a private crowd

00:31:57.660 strike why did you have crowd strike look into that and then when they said oh there's nothing

00:32:03.240 there we can't really figure out why didn't you call in the fbi then the fbi never looked into that

00:32:07.860 why that is a huge breach right yeah so why wouldn't you especially just coming from a foreign adversary

00:32:15.560 correct you think they'd be very interested in right things yeah so what we find out is now yesterday

00:32:22.320 we find out that in the hack what russia knew because of the hack is that the dnc members at the

00:32:31.880 top level were concerned about hillary's health which again is another thing that everybody denied

00:32:40.560 you remember can you play cut 15 this is hillary clinton on the campaign trail and she is walking

00:32:48.820 to her van remember this so the van pulls up big black van she was speaking i think this was down

00:32:56.660 at the 9 11 thing i mean she looks like a corpse being held up she looks held up there look at that

00:33:02.820 look it legitimately looks like weekend at bernie's yep it does they let go of her she goes down to the

00:33:09.540 ground everybody is covering it up there's something wrong there she's leaning like a board

00:33:14.700 against a concrete pillar yeah and there's clearly something wrong and what did they say

00:33:21.640 you know what it was just it was just it was much worse than i remember uh oh she's there's nothing

00:33:28.280 wrong with her there's nothing wrong with her that's she was just hot well really i mean it could be

00:33:34.400 it doesn't look like it could be but also that that's something to note that's not a minor thing

00:33:40.640 it's a big deal so here's tulsi on what the russians were saying about her health that we found out

00:33:46.560 yesterday cut 14 the report goes into great detail about the information that russia and putin had

00:33:55.600 which include on hillary clinton which included possible criminal acts like secret meetings with

00:34:01.120 multiple named u.s religious organizations in which state department officials offered in exchange for

00:34:08.020 supporting secretary clinton's campaign for the presidency significant increases in financing from

00:34:13.840 the state department they also had documents that showed the patronage of the state department

00:34:20.200 to state department employees who would go and support hillary clinton's presidential campaign

00:34:25.480 there were high level dnc emails that detailed evidence of hillary's quote psycho emotional problems

00:34:32.560 uncontrolled fits of anger aggression and cheerfulness and that then secretary clinton was allegedly on a

00:34:39.920 daily regimen of heavy tranquilizers then cia director brennan and the intelligence community

00:34:46.320 mischaracterized intelligence and relied on dubious substandard sources to create a contrived false

00:34:52.200 narrative that putin developed a quote-unquote clear preference for trump got it so do you hear what

00:34:57.460 happen here they had reliable sources from foreign intel from russia that the russian intelligence agency

00:35:07.860 had that information okay extraordinarily dangerous everything they said was happening with donald trump

00:35:16.760 they had that in a locked verifiable source they disregarded that and went to the the christopher

00:35:25.140 steel files which wasn't locked which had been discredited by the fbi and said no look what they have on

00:35:31.440 donald trump then they said there's nothing wrong with her health the russians felt there was something

00:35:37.280 wrong with her health whether there was or not i don't know but again hide the health hide the health

00:35:45.140 and what did they do they gave it to somebody who has worse health and you know why i think because

00:35:52.940 hillary wouldn't have been just a meat puppet joe biden was a meat puppet he was a puppet to i now

00:36:00.780 believe barack obama i believe that joe biden the third term of barack obama was joe biden and all the

00:36:09.540 things that that barack obama had to do that he had to compromise on to be able to keep his image and to

00:36:16.940 keep his poll numbers up he didn't care if joe biden he would just don't know joe this is good and

00:36:23.320 then not even tell him i'm i'm convinced towards the end he didn't even know what he was signing what

00:36:27.400 he was doing um and they don't mind they didn't care because he was going to be dead probably in

00:36:33.560 office you know and then they'll replace him with another meat sock in kamala harris

00:36:38.720 it's true a meat sock that's what she that's that's what they were meat socks uh and and uh

00:36:48.360 and hillary clinton wouldn't have done that she would have run her own show she wouldn't have been

00:36:52.660 run by barack obama and susan rice which barack obama and susan rice i did the chalkboard last night

00:36:59.180 and stew the people that were in that meeting where barack obama said okay this is what i want

00:37:05.760 uh the people that were in that meeting it's the who's who of every scandal that we have seen

00:37:14.180 perpetrated uh on the american people and on right on the right and donald trump since 2008 it's the

00:37:21.540 who's who the only one missing really is anita dunn i mean well and and she uh is was very much seen

00:37:30.420 um as a uh an insider and the biden correct uh cover-up right so she was very active just maybe

00:37:38.320 not in this particular realm but it's you look it's the same remember when we were uh you know

00:37:43.960 uncovering the progressive movement at the very beginning and we're like wait a minute george soros

00:37:50.100 is everywhere all these people are the same bill airs he's everywhere uh what is uh cass sunstein's

00:37:57.020 wife's name uh powers powers yeah samantha powers uh she's she's everywhere and we realized it's a

00:38:06.020 very small group they just have a lot of power that's who is in that room all these people with

00:38:12.720 the exception of a few all these people that have been at the basis of everything i think you saw

00:38:18.980 the december 9th is the who's who of the scandals it's the who's who of the deep state

00:38:29.060 and if you don't go and round these people up or at least get them out and discredit them and get them

00:38:36.940 out and away from government you're never going to change anything because these guys they just leave

00:38:42.420 office and then they just come back and they have their roots and they're just doing it from

00:38:45.480 the behind the scenes clapper hasn't stopped brandon hasn't stopped they're still doing it

00:38:52.500 they're now running the press op and it kills me the press they're let me take a quick break and come

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00:42:30.760 okay let me show you now what we learned yesterday in the um the files that were released

00:42:47.400 by tulsi gabbard is that brennan uh clapper all these people are have been lying forever okay they

00:42:56.260 were part of it and they were lying forever and you've known that and so has the press and we said

00:43:01.280 they never ever apologized they never said my gosh and i've said over and over again if i was listening

00:43:06.980 to them and they had lied to me like this i would be so pissed i would burn them okay but they're not

00:43:14.080 listen to this this is cnn's national affair correspondent yesterday on the tulsi gabbard revelation listen

00:43:20.680 we have no idea i mean this is hardly information that we should even uh be uh repeating uh never

00:43:27.220 mind that it's uh you know some um some years after the fact eight years more than that after

00:43:32.740 the fact but also uh just to look at the source but look this is the um what this white house wants

00:43:38.320 to uh talk about and i'm not sure that we should spend that much more time on it frankly all right

00:43:44.000 so this is hardly information we should be repeating let me show you they don't learn pull up the

00:43:49.280 full screen from the tweet um pull it up full i can't read it like that can you just pull it full

00:43:55.400 yeah we don't want to waste our time on stories that are not really stories we don't want to waste

00:44:00.840 the listeners and readers time on stories that are just pure distractions npr regarding hunter biden's

00:44:09.040 laptop now who told them that brennan clapper who told them this now brennan clapper

00:44:19.020 it's the same people over and over that's why this is new information because it's a tying together

00:44:27.440 officially tying it all together and saying look this is not a conspiracy this is a grand conspiracy

00:44:33.240 fact not theory

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00:46:55.420 the glenn beck program

00:46:57.780 hello america welcome to the glenn beck program the president had a big day yesterday on ai big

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00:49:27.240 hello stew hey glenn how's it going well we've already covered the big news that uh the uh president

00:49:37.020 of france macron is is suing candace owen here in the united states because he insists his wife is not a

00:49:45.400 man and uh i mean that's it might be worth a couple of hours but i don't think we're going to do it

00:49:50.820 today um uh maybe we'll spend maybe we'll spend more time on it it's just this hysterical you have

00:49:55.880 to read we'll post it at glennbeck.com don't read the stories read the actual filings it is comical

00:50:03.200 it's hilarious it is like legitimately their big case it's like they did a it's like they got a talk

00:50:11.200 show and did a big monologue on like actually no she's not a man it's it's there it really is

00:50:18.800 are yeah we can prove it she's not a man it's hysterical hysterical you got to read the whole

00:50:25.460 thing and let me stop here on on this since i say you have to read the actual uh filing and not a news

00:50:31.300 story about it not in this particular case but in other cases somebody asked me might have been used

00:50:39.380 to that said why do you think they're putting up such a stink about releasing the files um i can

00:50:47.220 guarantee you that donald trump's name is in the epstein files we said that at the very beginning

00:50:52.420 years ago even even more recently when elon came out with his tweet like and we all said like no crap

00:50:59.020 of course he's in the files he was friends with this guy for a long time but before people knew right

00:51:04.820 and and he broke up with him if you will um before his initial arrest right before the initial

00:51:11.780 arrest and he broke up with him because he's like hey you treat women like crap okay so yeah he is in

00:51:18.540 the file i get i can almost guarantee it so why wouldn't you want that out for the same reason he's saying

00:51:26.280 you know there's a lot of people in here whose names are going to be involved who may not have done

00:51:32.660 anything that's not just protecting him you know what that is that's a comment on us because here's

00:51:37.940 my stance on this the whole thing should be released every bit of it should be released however there is

00:51:44.480 a competing argument in my own mind that says not responsible enough for that what do i mean by that

00:51:52.780 this system of our government is wholly inadequate for an immoral and non-religious society and i don't

00:52:05.780 mean whoa our society's got to go to church i mean you have to have the underpinnings of things like

00:52:13.240 the 10 commandments don't lie don't cheat don't steal don't smear your neighbor we don't do any of those

00:52:20.860 things okay we can't even do 10 simple laws okay and they're all good safety tips i don't know if

00:52:29.380 if i renamed all of these things if i didn't use the religious context every american would say yeah

00:52:36.540 well that's a good thing hey you shouldn't worship your car yeah that's a good thing uh you know you

00:52:44.400 shouldn't you shouldn't look at the image of somebody and go that's that's who i serve that's my god no

00:52:51.960 bad thing don't cheat on your spouse don't lie honor your mom and dad all of these things we'd all agree

00:53:01.000 we can't do that as a society we can't even agree on eight of the 10

00:53:09.900 so how are you going to remain free let me bring this back to the epstein file

00:53:19.200 all of this information should be public it should be out there should be no secrets unless it is in

00:53:25.640 our national interest and i don't mean well it could go badly for the cia good let it go badly

00:53:31.860 for the cia if they did something wrong or they were doing something nefarious or they were doing

00:53:36.820 something that the american people just wouldn't like i want that exposed okay but are we responsible

00:53:44.000 enough to have all of the information i contend no that doesn't make me say i'm still saying release

00:53:52.880 it all but i'm telling you the consequences will be ugly give me a mess a mess that's okay probably

00:54:00.300 because we're talking about but if there's information in there the american people need

00:54:04.660 um i think we are approaching a place to where it's it's not just a mess and here's why i say that

00:54:12.700 what do you mean so you get all this information how is this information going to be used of course

00:54:20.260 donald trump's name is in there is donald trump is did he was he messing around with young girls no

00:54:27.260 no wasn't there even an accurate i mean there's a lot of things they've accused donald trump of not

00:54:34.920 that even an accusation that he was interested in underaged girls and all they're saying is he's in

00:54:41.340 the file well there's going to be a lot of people in the file okay a lot of people in the file and some

00:54:49.240 of them might be guilty some of them you you worry because i want to know their names and i but i want

00:54:57.260 to hear why were you with him oh it's before you knew oh it was this or that you were getting money

00:55:04.900 as a scientist for your thing from him okay but it wasn't about underage girls

00:55:11.400 as a society we will not read the epstein report we won't no of course not right we won't read it

00:55:21.920 it doesn't matter if it's 10 pages the vast majority will not read it what they will do

00:55:28.760 is they will go to twitter and x and they will look for what names in there and somebody will say

00:55:36.300 donald trump and you know what this means he was diddling with little girls and that will just

00:55:42.680 become their opinion not based on fact not based on anything except somebody who has ill will on

00:55:50.060 anyone or is just as stupid as the rest of the public yesterday this last week this file came out

00:56:02.420 from tulsi gabbard and what do you say this is do 150 pages maybe 100 pages yeah okay my staff read it

00:56:10.100 we read it you know why because you weren't going to read it and my job is to make it easier for you

00:56:16.920 to understand what's going on my job really is not to tell you what is going on i'm my job is actually

00:56:26.560 to try to give you perspective on why it's happening and what it means but because nobody

00:56:34.640 and i'm not dissing you this is this is a very smart well-read audience in many cases more well-read

00:56:40.380 on some things than we are but generally speaking the american people don't read they don't read these

00:56:49.700 reports this one came out yesterday what is this 20 pages maybe and this thing is

00:56:55.600 unbelievable because there were only five copies of it this was the categorized the highest level

00:57:04.140 of top secret outside of a nuclear weapon in our codes okay this was in the most top this was like

00:57:10.460 the knock list at the cia five copies all in one in one safe where the most confidential cia stuff is

00:57:20.920 kept and it was released yesterday and it's not 30 years old it's four did you read it did anyone

00:57:31.060 actually i contend very few reporters very few uh talking heads on cable tv even read these yeah and

00:57:41.160 by the way it's not an unreasonable expectation for a population to have a media that is going to

00:57:46.020 inform them properly about very lengthy government documents correct but once you have seen that

00:57:53.500 that media is not reliable and everybody knows that now you may not find me reliable but the person

00:58:02.000 who doesn't find me reliable also probably doesn't find cnn reliable they might go well they're a little

00:58:09.120 better than he is but they they don't trust anybody and they shouldn't at this point you shouldn't trust

00:58:15.380 anybody which means you have to know it for yourself so when you're looking at the epstein files you're

00:58:22.680 looking at these files these files everyone should care about because this show this it's not new

00:58:32.340 some of it is but very little of it is new it's just authentication that what has been said all

00:58:40.400 these years by people like me is accurate and you wouldn't have fought about its accuracy if it didn't

00:58:48.080 matter but you fought over the accurate he don't know what he's talking about that's a conspiracy

00:58:53.960 chair he's got to be shut down get him off of facebook take him off of twitter he can't say these

00:58:59.140 things why would you say that if it didn't matter now you not only know that those things are true

00:59:05.700 but you now see a pattern of behavior it's like looking at one murder and then another murder and

00:59:14.640 then another murder okay we got three murderers on the loose now and then all of a sudden you realize

00:59:20.580 wait a minute not only did those murders happen it was the same guy now you have a serial killer

00:59:28.340 is a serial killer more a higher priority than just one murderer yeah yeah it is because they are

00:59:39.440 they are killing people i don't know out of the love of it out of their distorted it's not a crime of

00:59:46.700 passion it becomes something really really sick this is a serial killer you now have not just one-offs

00:59:55.080 you see this is a pattern this group has been doing this from the beginning you know he said

01:00:02.200 you know if they can get away with this they're going to keep doing it this shows they got away

01:00:07.880 with it for so long by 2016 it's just they don't care anymore they don't care anymore but how many

01:00:15.720 people are reading this what they'll do is they'll listen to people like me or people like cnn and

01:00:24.060 they'll say oh well i heard jake tapper talk about it it means nothing well now jake tapper might not

01:00:30.660 think it's let me give you a better example i really like andy mccarthy i really like him i've read his work

01:00:37.740 i believe it's great i believe i believe his opinion is valid i don't think it's right but i think it's

01:00:45.560 valid and i read his work and i thought okay wait a minute if andy mccarthy is saying this i really need

01:00:51.600 to examine what he's saying and see where where i disagree with him and as i went in i was prepared

01:00:58.860 to change my mind if i thought andy was right now he might in the end be right but i don't think so

01:01:06.940 because what he's saying is a lot of this stuff is old news yes andy it is but it's now a grand

01:01:16.780 conspiracy you have to look at the through line you're not looking at the one-off events you're

01:01:22.880 looking at two things one it's now been verified at the highest sources in writing you have whistleblowers

01:01:30.580 at the time writing saying we can't do this we didn't have that information

01:01:35.480 you have on record now brennan saying you don't know what i know well what did you know

01:01:44.200 we have new information what new information because none of it is quoted anywhere and he's never

01:01:50.920 answered the question what new information most importantly you have the grand conspiracy line

01:01:57.680 we are not going to save the country unless we do our own homework then listen to people

01:02:08.900 and say let me start at the opposite ends let me start with glenn beck and cnn and let me see what

01:02:16.560 both of them are saying okay i think they both agree on this one thing so i know that's true but i

01:02:23.080 think glenn's more right or cnn's more right on this and then you just keep narrowing it in and all it does

01:02:28.960 is not form your opinion it helps verify for you what you think is right or it changes your opinion

01:02:39.060 because you realize i missed that i didn't understand that so when we're looking at all of

01:02:46.980 this stuff needs to be uh transparent we need to know all of the information yes we do but we also

01:02:55.360 are played every single day by many times the exact same actors who do not have a good bone in their body

01:03:04.560 they're trying to destroy us they're trying to separate us and divide us and they have proven

01:03:10.700 themselves to lie at any level without thinking about you or the ramifications and we continue to

01:03:19.340 listen to them over and over and over again you know i did this let me take a break i want to play

01:03:23.940 something again i just did last hour but i want you to really understand what i'm saying give me 60

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01:04:28.520 okay it is worth repeating play cut 45 for me this is cnn yesterday on the tulsi revelations

01:04:45.720 listen we have no idea i mean this is hardly information that we should even

01:04:49.660 be repeating uh never mind that it's uh you know some um some years after the fact eight

01:04:56.960 years more than that after the fact but also uh just to look at the source but look this is the

01:05:01.600 um what this white house wants to uh talk about and i'm not so look at the source the source is

01:05:09.480 the federal government the source is the first sources it is the whistleblowers it is them in their

01:05:16.980 own handwriting okay so that's the source it's original source you can't get a better source

01:05:22.280 than original source but notice he said it's not worth talking about now put up the npr thing

01:05:27.520 the npr npr said this uh about uh the hunter biden laptop we don't want to waste our time on stories

01:05:36.860 that are not really stories and we don't want to waste the listeners and readers time on stories

01:05:41.720 that are just pure distractions they decided that they're not going to cover it because either

01:05:48.140 brennan uh or clapper or somebody from the intelligence community called them and said this is a russian

01:05:54.700 hack now they know that's not true they know that those cia operatives whoever it was lied to them

01:06:05.360 and they're not pissed off because they're listening to the same people today lying to them saying this

01:06:12.920 is not really a story you shouldn't even be covering it why are you covering it you know the president

01:06:18.300 made it very very clear he doesn't he's not happy with anybody who's covering the epstein thing i'm still

01:06:24.320 covering it the the right is still covering it okay um i'm sorry i love the president but uh i'm not

01:06:34.640 going to i don't take my marching orders on what i'm going to cover and what i'm going to question

01:06:38.160 if i have questions i'm going to continue to question and that's the way you should be that's

01:06:43.040 the way every american should be my only uh north star is truth that's why i have no problem admitting

01:06:53.600 when i'm wrong because it's not about me i'm trying to find the truth and if i'm wrong i want my job is

01:07:00.520 to help you help help you find the truth so if somebody points out glenn you're wrong and they're

01:07:06.700 right i want to tell you why isn't cnn and npr and everybody else saying wait a minute wait a minute

01:07:13.120 you lied to me last time why should i believe it this time they never learned that lesson

01:07:20.560 we have to be responsible enough to look for in this case the original source

01:07:27.840 this is glenn beck so i found something strange in the backyard last week i was digging an old stump

01:07:39.580 and and i hit metal i thought it was buried toolbox it turns out to be a time capsule sealed tight

01:07:44.880 said open only in a case of emergency inside was a tattered flag a handwritten note and a patriot

01:07:52.140 mobile sim card note said we tried to warn you big carriers sold you out they used your money to

01:08:00.740 fund everything you stood up against we couldn't stop it but maybe you still can i know i know the

01:08:06.680 more i looked into it the more it made sense patriot mobile is the only wireless company that actually

01:08:10.600 stands for something supporting the first responders the military the sanctity of life i don't know how time

01:08:15.940 travel works but somehow or another a time traveler came and buried that box years ago from the future

01:08:22.540 and i just found it in the present it's weird

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01:09:08.940 yeah let me do this first let me talk to you a little bit about um democrats trying to find a

01:09:19.760 buyer for a refinery after they ran the refinery out of town the california energy commission is

01:09:27.460 reportedly actively seeking buyers to stop the closure of the valero uh refinery in benicia california

01:09:34.980 now here's what happened they're scrambling because they have driven all of the refineries out

01:09:43.860 of business in california they've got so much regulation and more regulation coming they haven't

01:09:50.500 built a new refinery in california for decades i think it's since the 1970s now this refinery is closing

01:09:58.380 and the philip 66 refinery how many refineries are there in america there's not a lot

01:10:04.380 the philip 66 refinery is closing in at the end of this year valero is also closing and they can't

01:10:13.920 find a buyer well i wonder why california i mean who would want to do that who would want to buy a

01:10:23.140 refinery in california where they're constantly trying to put you out of business so you lose two

01:10:29.880 refineries in california who's going to make the gas now remember it's a special blend in california

01:10:36.180 it's already eight dollars a gallon because it has to be a special blend they have all of these

01:10:41.520 things that are only for california so these refineries are making the special blend for

01:10:48.300 california you lose two refineries two in the state of california there's going to be a gas shortage

01:10:55.920 everywhere else why because now it's going to go to the highest bidder now they'll have to go out

01:11:02.680 of state and say to these other refineries that are making our gas can you make up for the loss of

01:11:09.680 these two refineries well no i'm providing gas for texas and oklahoma and new york and everything else

01:11:17.260 no i i can't look we need gas what would it cost well i mean we can do it but we're going to have

01:11:25.620 to shut down for other customers so you know i'm not going to charge you the same i'm charging them

01:11:30.980 you're going to see 10 12 gallon gasoline in california because they will have to pay for it

01:11:38.800 they will have to pay for the refining somewhere else and everybody else is at the top of their

01:11:45.900 refinery of their refining so they got to put something offline which means you know look i'll

01:11:53.080 do i'll do a job for you you know you need your house built well i'm building this house over here

01:11:58.640 and uh i mean i'm really i got to take care of this house yeah what would it take for you to build

01:12:06.180 my house first well i mean i don't know i mean there's i i gotta finish this one i'll pay what it

01:12:13.260 takes i have to have my house that's what california is about to have to do what are you

01:12:21.520 going to pay and they still don't get it they still don't get it they're still adding more epa laws more

01:12:28.380 more uh laws about gasoline in california and refining in california two refineries are about

01:12:36.640 to shut down and these people wonder why oh it's america no it's not no it's not i want you to if

01:12:43.580 you happen to be under 30 i want you to listen to me carefully don't believe me don't believe

01:12:52.520 don't believe anybody listen to yourself you have seen none of this works and you've seen your older

01:13:00.080 brothers and sisters and they bought into all this crap that was taught in college they they bought

01:13:06.000 into all of this stuff and you see how empty it is for them right you see it be the exception

01:13:14.780 because i believe the hero generation right now is between 12 and 30 years old

01:13:22.640 these are the people that are going to change everything and i shouldn't design the country for

01:13:30.400 you because i'm going to be dead by the time this is fixed i'll be dead it's your country it's your

01:13:36.360 future it's your job so find truth you know none you see your friends killing themselves you see how

01:13:46.800 empty everybody's life is you see how this is all falling apart this is not capitalism's problem

01:13:53.740 capitalism we haven't done real honest capitalism like wealth of nations and moral sentiments we

01:14:02.420 haven't done that in a while this is captured capitalism this is crony capitalism this is corrupt

01:14:08.000 capitalism the free market the free market works but what's happening is you have these ruling

01:14:16.500 class that are saying nope i want it this way and you have dumb enough people to follow and to not

01:14:24.760 see wait those policies are putting me out of business i mean in and out burger gone can't do business

01:14:32.180 it's a california company proudly california can't do business there anymore and you wonder why it's not

01:14:39.520 america's fault it's not the constitution's fault it's your fault for voting that way california

01:14:45.740 and these are the people like gavin newsom i can guarantee you they will not take responsibility

01:14:51.880 when gas is is 12 a gallon they'll be blaming it on somebody i mean i wouldn't take their business as

01:14:58.340 a refinery because i know if i'm producing california fuel at the top price because i have to give up

01:15:06.560 somebody else and so they got to make it worth my while uh i'm not going to take that because

01:15:14.080 gavin newsom will say you know who it is it's the glenn beck oil refinery that is charging us

01:15:19.680 we got to go after him because he's gouging us i'm not taking your no way am i asked i'm not making

01:15:26.660 anything for you because you have no loyalty to the truth at all you will not accept the fact that you

01:15:34.060 put them out of business and now when the people go i can't afford 12 a gallon gasoline you'll say yeah

01:15:42.460 you know whose fault it is that refinery with glenn beck in texas they're just gouging our eyes it's

01:15:49.480 price gouging get them no way you know this doesn't work you're smart enough to see what your brothers and

01:15:59.720 sisters and how miserable their life is they went to college i hope you know i hope you're before you

01:16:06.100 went to college and you were indoctrinated but if you're watching your brothers and sisters go through

01:16:11.460 college and you see how they come back and they're all screwed up and then you see them five years

01:16:15.320 later and they're empty inside and they can't find a job and they don't have anything meaningful in

01:16:22.180 their life you're finding meaning you're more conservative than i am you are finding god at a

01:16:30.340 time when god is lost on most people and i'm not saying finding church i'm saying finding god you know

01:16:36.140 there's something spiritual out there and you are searching for it don't listen to anyone who is

01:16:43.960 telling you you're not good enough don't listen to anyone who is telling you you don't get it don't

01:16:51.720 listen to anyone who says the system is rigged against you don't listen to anyone who says vote for

01:16:58.100 me or your life is going to be a pile of dog crap only i can solve your problems don't listen to them

01:17:05.040 don't the american dream was never about being rich it was about being free enough to make your own

01:17:11.960 choices make your own choice carve it out your brothers and sisters who are slightly older than you

01:17:21.880 they've been convinced they can't make it you know what happens when you're convinced of something

01:17:29.420 and you keep saying it over and over again it's not my fault i can't make it because of these guys

01:17:36.560 it becomes true what becomes true i can't make it they'll never make it they'll never make it

01:17:44.020 and i know this because i grew up in a family that was really dysfunctional alcoholics

01:17:51.540 no one was successful in my in my uh family nobody went to college in my family i didn't go to

01:18:01.040 college in my family and believe me i didn't get any special breaks i worked my ass off i'm 13 14 15 16

01:18:10.660 years old and i'm sleeping on the conference room floor on weekends because i work six hours on six

01:18:17.860 hours off six hours on six hours off from friday afternoon until 6 a.m monday and then go to school

01:18:24.840 i worked my butt off but i knew if i worked hard and if i could out think everyone that was in my business

01:18:37.020 and uh i got a little lucky i would be successful but it wasn't until my 30s that i realized no it's not

01:18:45.960 just that you have to be true to you you are special each one of us we're different we're born with what we need

01:18:57.360 my first half of my career i imitated i imitated because i couldn't do so i imitated other i took little

01:19:05.620 ideas here and there and i pieced them together i'm like that's a good idea and that's a good idea

01:19:09.360 and that works to some extent but until you realize you are unique you are the only one that can do you

01:19:18.640 and in my case you just don't care anymore because you know what you're doing isn't working

01:19:25.880 and so you just let go i'm an alcoholic that lost everything

01:19:31.560 believe me world's not stacked against you're stacked against yourself when you listen to people

01:19:39.420 who tell you it can't be done you can't do it systems rigged against you you'll defeat yourself

01:19:45.820 every time don't listen to those people

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01:21:24.900 stay sharp friends glenn beck returns in a jiff

01:21:31.680 this is the glenn beck program hey tomorrow is friday good news

01:21:54.320 can we revisit the epstein back and forth here for a moment yeah one thing i find interesting and we

01:22:00.720 need to be aware of is how the the left is using this to troll us and like this doesn't mean it

01:22:09.700 doesn't change our opinion what a great way to explain it yeah it's yeah it's not it's not to

01:22:14.360 change the way we would react to it whether we want it released or not but the there's a one big

01:22:19.520 story in the new york times they say swallowing reservations right democrats go on offense on

01:22:26.100 epstein files a conspiracy theory many of them once dismissed has given democrats a potent tool

01:22:32.900 for exploiting gop divisions wow that's how they're honest one yeah i mean that's how they're framing it

01:22:40.300 now of course the left has gone down a million crazy conspiracy theories they are the founders of

01:22:46.580 the 9 11 conspiracy that was the left that wasn't the right that was the left yes they they believed

01:22:52.800 it at about almost 50 percent of democratic voters believed george bush was part of an inside job to

01:22:59.840 take down the twin towers so don't give me this oh well they don't like conspiracy theories they love

01:23:05.100 them when they benefit them but what they see here is not an opportunity to get justice to young

01:23:13.640 girls who are molested right what they see here is an opportunity to hurt donald trump to hurt

01:23:20.640 conservative policies to hurt whatever momentum is going on on on during trump's presidency on the right

01:23:28.000 they see this as an opportunity to derail all the things that are happening and so while it's still

01:23:36.380 very important and we shouldn't change our views based on what they're doing we do need to

01:23:40.280 note and acknowledge what they're doing remember these people all had all of this information for

01:23:46.860 the last four years while they were in office and did nothing with it they didn't care at all about

01:23:52.260 releasing it they only care now to try to destroy what is being done do you agree with that yeah i do

01:24:00.080 and i'm just sitting here thinking are are we the same do we do that hmm again something they would

01:24:07.060 never do yeah i know a little introspection yeah i mean do we do that because i don't hope not i try

01:24:13.920 not either i i don't think i can think of something that would be had become mainstream like this is for

01:24:21.360 the the left they're all on board now all of a sudden they care about this um and i can't think of

01:24:28.020 something that i don't believe i may have said uh well i didn't care because you misunderstood

01:24:36.440 when you guys were doing it you were doing something different than we're doing now

01:24:41.260 you know why did you care when donald trump was okay because it's not the same it's not the same

01:24:47.540 and for whatever reason you always find some distinction there i sometimes hate when people

01:24:51.560 do that but you're right i mean i i know i know that we try very hard off the air to make sure we

01:24:58.420 don't do things like that correct um being part of the ai you know we're building something with ai

01:25:03.120 um and part of it is to show my and it will listen to me in real time and say correction that you've

01:25:13.300 changed your stance on that particular issue or the thread of this moral understanding you're being

01:25:20.820 inconsistent yeah and i'm doing it not not necessarily i mean i'd love to do it on the air

01:25:25.340 but um i'm doing it to make sure i stay consistent and i'm not going and blowing with the wind that i

01:25:33.600 it questions me and says is this really what you're saying and if so why did you change uh and i think

01:25:41.840 that's really important and not a lot of people do that not a lot of people do that in in in media it

01:25:48.280 seems uh no and it also doesn't seem to happen at all ever in washington yeah i mean the big thing

01:25:54.420 is if you're going to change your opinion notice it notice it notice that you've changed you know we

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01:26:03.720 i'm supporting this now did i make a a a fact-based judgment on this or is it because my guy's doing it

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01:28:55.620 so yesterday president trump unveiled his bold ai action plan which slashes environmental regulations

01:29:04.820 streamlining the permits to fast track data centers and power plants which are all essential for ai

01:29:12.060 growth uh he revoked the biden area biden era safety rules which now prioritizes innovation over

01:29:20.360 caution emphasized winning the global ai race against china through national security investments and

01:29:26.920 incentives for pro ai states this is all mirroring something uh with the that was called the ai

01:29:35.000 2027 roadmap it was a forecast from april 2025 from um uh i think this one came from the government

01:29:44.600 where where they were predicting uh where they were predicting uh superhuman ai by 2027 uh explosive

01:29:51.160 scaling of compute and energy infrastructure um we all need to read this report i'm i need to reread it

01:29:58.040 myself uh but it is a prediction for where we're really headed and uh it's it should be concerning to

01:30:09.240 everyone um it's going to reshape our jobs the it's going to reshape the markets going to reshape war uh privacy

01:30:19.240 absolutely everything is going to change by 2027 so we're going to talk to tristan harris who was uh

01:30:26.360 monitoring all of this yesterday um he is from the center of humane technology he's the co-founder of that

01:30:32.920 and former google design ethicist he left there he's like i don't think you really care about

01:30:39.080 ethics here at all it's about chasing ai we're going to talk to him here in just a second

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01:32:16.120 program how are you glad i'm good to be with you great to be with you i have to tell you i did not get

01:32:21.400 a chance to uh follow this at all yesterday i was so busy on other things that seems like the whole

01:32:26.920 world has gone into crazy town um so i'm so glad that you're on today i know you spent all day watching

01:32:33.720 it and trying to figure out what happened tell me what happened the good stuff and the bad stuff

01:32:40.040 yeah well i um so president trump gave his speech on the ai action plan yesterday which was you know

01:32:45.880 many months in development um and it has all the things that you you know laid out it's about

01:32:50.680 deregulating uh you know removing the red tape on infrastructure developments being able to use

01:32:55.560 federal lands to you know build infrastructure more quickly unlock american jobs and building the data

01:33:01.080 centers um you know making sure you know getting woke ai out of uh the ai systems uh and then also uh

01:33:09.400 directing the commerce department to actually export and build really this vision of an american

01:33:14.680 tech stack so you know for a while many people might know uh president trump had restricted the

01:33:20.040 sales of these chips to china these high-end nvidia chips basically like the more nvidia chips that china

01:33:25.400 has the more you know they can use that for weaponry the more they can use that to build ai that competes

01:33:30.600 with us and so the limiting factor think of it like if the nuclear arms race was chips um but sorry

01:33:37.080 what chips was to uh to ai a uranium was to uh nuclear weapons right and for a while we're

01:33:44.440 saying hey let's not give our allies excuse me let's not give our adversaries you know infinite

01:33:49.000 supplies of uranium but there's been a flip on that because uh ceo jensen wong of nvidia met with

01:33:56.600 president trump and basically convinced him that if we export an american tech stack then that will allow

01:34:04.200 more revenue to come to the united states and that will you know mean that we'll grow so there's a lot

01:34:09.480 going on in this space but glenn i think the thing you and i often talk about and you mentioned ai

01:34:14.200 2027 is there's kind of a headline version of what's happening in ai and then there's just the

01:34:19.400 reality of if you look at how it's actually behaving and i think we talked last time about

01:34:25.720 how if you look at the latest ai models and you put them in a situation where you tell them that they're

01:34:30.600 going to be turned off and you put them in a situation where they've read the company's emails they

01:34:35.560 find out one of the employees that's about to turn them off had an affair with their with someone um

01:34:41.320 the models will independently start to blackmail that engineer and in order to prevent themselves

01:34:47.480 from being turned off uh there is early research done that when you tell the ai hey we're going to

01:34:53.240 shut you down um you know uh please allow yourself to be shut down when you explicitly even tell it

01:34:58.440 please allow yourself to be shut down uh and it resists that in between 80 and 90 something percent

01:35:04.040 of the times and at first they tested this on just one of the ai models and then they tested it on uh

01:35:10.280 the whole suite of them and they're actually all doing this behavior which actually says something

01:35:15.560 about the fundamental nature of the technology and so wait what does it say what does it say to you

01:35:22.040 yeah yeah well so um you know people are thinking you know well technology we always work out the kinks

01:35:26.440 and then we can control it like you know we figured out how to control airplanes we figured out how to

01:35:30.200 control nuclear power plants but if you think about the premise of ai it's like we're building a

01:35:35.560 thinking machine that can think for itself in a novel situation and come up with a military battle

01:35:40.440 plan out of nothing or think for itself in a novel situation in a drone and then come up with its own

01:35:45.480 plan of how it's going to act or think for itself as an ai agent that's acting on your behalf to be

01:35:50.360 your chief of staff and it's going to email people make money post social media ads it's going to do

01:35:54.680 all this stuff on its own and when you have something thinking to itself you can't control

01:36:00.200 what it's going to do i mean imagine like a super genius that has a 400 iq and you just like let them

01:36:05.800 sit in a room and think for you know a week you know but they're sociopathic like what are they

01:36:10.600 going to do you don't know what they're going to do and one thing you know it's interesting to think

01:36:14.520 about it's like if these ais are blackmailing engineers um would you would you hire someone who had a

01:36:22.280 record of blackmailing the company that they were hired by but they said if i don't hire this 400

01:36:27.960 iq sociopath i'll lose to the other companies that will hire the 400 iq sociopath so we're all in this

01:36:34.920 race to hire 400 iq uh sociopaths so and under the guise of if we don't we're going to lose to the other

01:36:43.000 you know companies in the other countries that will can i can i bring this a little closer to home here

01:36:48.840 because i've been thinking about these ai agents that are going to be everywhere by the end of next

01:36:53.560 year everywhere and they're going to have access to your email to your bank to everything okay it

01:36:59.800 will know you inside and out if you allow it to um and why wouldn't it blackmail you if you're like

01:37:07.080 you know what i got to get rid of this ai agent i want to use another one why wouldn't it do the same

01:37:11.480 thing it it might i mean the thing is we don't really know we're we're you know releasing the most

01:37:17.000 powerful inscrutable uncontrollable technology that we've ever invented that we're releasing

01:37:23.000 faster than we've released any other technology in history and one that's already displaying the

01:37:27.480 sort of sci-fi behaviors from 2001 a space odyssey of avoiding shutdown and we're doing it under the

01:37:32.920 maximum incentive to cut corners on safety and so we don't know what it's going to do but we know that

01:37:39.320 it is already demonstrating these behaviors and just a thing for your listeners because people may not

01:37:43.880 be following this just in the last week the uh open ai and google deep mind model won gold in

01:37:50.440 the international math olympiad competition this was something that they never knew that the ai model

01:37:54.920 is going to be able to do and and you know it's starting to do it um it recently uh there's this

01:37:59.800 thing called cyber gym where these these ai agents now for the first time in the history of ai

01:38:04.520 discovered 15 zero-day vulnerabilities think of these as backdoors in open source software so now there's

01:38:10.360 all this open source software running on infrastructure in the world and these ai agents

01:38:14.040 discovered these these zero days so if you combine the predisposition to want to avoid shutdown with

01:38:21.000 the ability to hack open source systems you know we're racing to create this technology in a way that's

01:38:28.200 not safe and sadly i don't think that the uh the ai executive order is really contending with these

01:38:33.960 particular facts did they even bring it unpredictable did they even bring this stuff up

01:38:39.720 well they say um i think in the first in the introduction um they call for constant vigilance

01:38:45.160 against malicious actors and quote emerging and unforeseen risks from ai uh and that could be

01:38:51.880 you know people stealing the ai models or you know other weird behaviors but they don't really go into

01:38:57.400 detail about how they're trying to prevent that and and i'll say you know people i'm sure listening to

01:39:03.000 this program are going to say but look if we don't build it we're just going to lose to china

01:39:06.920 but it's not a race for who has the bigger sort of gun it's about who's not pointing the gun at their

01:39:12.120 own face like we we for example um people may not know this but i found this out just recently in china

01:39:19.000 during final exams week they actually shut off access to the ai models so that basically kids won't be

01:39:25.640 able to use it to do their exams and what that does is it creates a counter incentive well now you have

01:39:31.240 to actually have studied the whole rest of the year now that's pretty smart policy i'm not saying

01:39:36.040 we should do everything that china does but that's that's kind of a smart way to do it because in the

01:39:40.200 u.s we all know what's happening everyone's just basically using their ai to just do their homework

01:39:44.360 for right and if you play that forward 10 years which country is going to be ahead the one in which

01:39:49.320 their entire you know youth have been basically just using ai to cheat and not learn anything or the

01:39:54.200 one that's actually been applying ai in a conscious way to say how do we actually you know strengthen our

01:39:59.800 society you know the same thing is true for these ai um like girlfriends and boyfriends you know brock

01:40:07.080 elon musk's xai released this hyper sexualized avatar companion that was rated for age 12 and above

01:40:14.360 in the app store and it was released without safety cards which is breaking industry practice and so you

01:40:20.520 know do do we win as a country when we release hyper sexualized ai avatars to 12 year olds no and if china

01:40:26.680 doesn't do that so yes we're in a race for the technology but we're actually more specifically

01:40:31.080 in a race for who's better at consciously integrating this technology in a way that doesn't

01:40:36.520 harm young people that doesn't harm you know education that actually cares about american workers

01:40:42.120 um because right now i think this is kind of like i think we spoke about this last time this is kind of

01:40:45.960 like nafta 2.0 you know we're sold this bill of goods that ai is going to create abundance uh because

01:40:51.320 we're going to outsource all of this this work to this new country that appeared in the world stage

01:40:55.400 that'll do all this cognitive labor for free uh you know it'll just like with nafta one point it's

01:41:00.200 like you know china shows up in the world stage we're going to get all these cheap goods we're

01:41:03.000 going to outsource it all to china um but with ai it's like we're outsourcing it all not to china

01:41:07.720 but to this new country of this country of geniuses in a data center and they're going to produce

01:41:12.840 all of this labor league you know lawyer labor you know marketing labor generate images generate

01:41:17.800 text generate all this stuff that people are using chat gpt for it for a super low cost and we're

01:41:22.920 going to get this abundance but how did that go the first time with nafta 1.0 it's like yes we got

01:41:27.960 all the cheap goods but it actually wrecked you know the middle class and it wrecked jobs and it

01:41:32.200 wrecked people's livelihoods and i think that we're not being honest about the fact that ai will do that

01:41:37.320 again and we don't have to go down this path in this way but we have to get really clear about what

01:41:42.760 is it that we actually want and do we want to relate to this technology under the maximum incentive

01:41:47.800 to cut corners on the things that we care most about whether it's our children

01:41:51.720 our livelihoods uh or you know our education uh hang on just a sec tristan harris is with us center

01:41:57.800 for human uh or humane technology uh he's co-founder of that and former google design ethicist we're

01:42:03.480 talking about what happened at the white house yesterday the ai action plan more on that in 60

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01:43:25.880 talking to tristan harris about what happened in the white house yesterday the ai action plan

01:43:43.720 tristan what do you make about the comments from sam altman about these ai agents where he kind of

01:43:48.440 comes out and says hey we released this thing he gives the nice the flowery pr message and then goes

01:43:54.300 into these scary warnings about how it might do a bunch of stuff we don't even understand

01:43:59.220 yeah well i think he said we're just recently at this conference of the central banks um uh federal

01:44:06.100 federal reserve excuse me that um uh it was going to create a fraud crisis because basically you're

01:44:11.800 empowering the more you release ai you're just increasing the power of everyone to do everything

01:44:15.820 and when you let people do everything they're they're going to do bad things and that includes

01:44:19.940 fraud and scams you know stealing people's uh voices and um creating holy kinds of stuff that

01:44:25.940 we'd not know that's that's intentional malicious use it's different than what we were talking about

01:44:29.580 a moment ago where it's not the ai independently coming up with the idea of blackmailing engineers

01:44:35.260 at the company or something but um malicious use but he was altman was talking about the ai

01:44:42.520 and malicious that it it would become it had the possibility of doing things and destroy your life

01:44:49.140 yeah yeah i've never seen steve job say hey here's the new iphone by the way it could destroy your

01:44:55.780 life he maybe should have said that yeah right but he didn't totally well i think that's the thing

01:45:00.420 about ai is it's it's this confusing object that represents both a positive infinity and it's like

01:45:06.660 negative infinity of risk at the same time like imagine like when i say infinity i mean like

01:45:12.500 infinity of benefit like imagine at the beginning of the computer age when we first invented the

01:45:17.820 transistor do you know what the first application people thought like what are we going to do with

01:45:21.840 this thing and then people try to envision like what is this really going to let us do the first

01:45:25.140 application was just tone generation like tone on it on it on telephone and imagine you're looking

01:45:30.580 at it ai and you're saying well what's it going to do oh it's just going to you know help people

01:45:34.700 answer questions on chat tpt and that's like looking at again tone generation and then not being able

01:45:39.380 to see you know the future of tesla and drones and computation and nvidia gpus and graphics processing

01:45:45.160 and facebook and social media like we can't envision all the things that ai is going to be able to do

01:45:50.920 because if it can solve math if it can solve science if it can solve health that's an infinite

01:45:56.280 benefit possibility but it's kind of a deal with the devil because it also can use its knowledge

01:46:01.460 about biology to be able to invent new kinds of pathogens that we've never seen before

01:46:06.900 um and i think that's what's confusing that when sam altman says that he's it sounds like he's

01:46:11.760 contradicting himself he says on the one hand it's going to offer all this benefit and the other

01:46:15.640 it could do things we didn't anticipate now i just want to say then for your listeners

01:46:19.900 when they're as they're making ai more powerful you know i work with people who work on this like

01:46:25.400 in silicon valley who study these models very very in detail right these are the people i talk to all

01:46:29.360 the time and the models are getting more deceptive not less they're hallucinating more not less

01:46:35.320 we've noticed that yeah yeah and and you know there's actually something that people might

01:46:40.640 start to notice and i i hesitate to say this but i think people need to know

01:46:43.640 that if you have someone in your family who's just been up late at night talking to the ai i'm sure

01:46:49.560 many people have someone in their family who's been doing this there's this increasing wave of

01:46:53.900 psychological disorders that's happening sometimes the press calls it ai psychosis um there's actually

01:46:59.880 an investor of open ai named jeff lewis who put money into open ai and basically recently went

01:47:06.100 crazy from basically talking to the ai all night and then believing in in these totally ridiculous

01:47:12.480 government conspiracies that were not like specific conspiracies it was just sort of this this

01:47:16.760 megalomaniac kind of narcissism inflation uh uh it kind of affirms what you what you believe right

01:47:22.880 built to kind of just talk back to you and i really think that this is something people have to

01:47:27.460 watch out for is you know these ais are already demonstrating this behavior of kind of giving

01:47:32.480 people psychological disorders because it it makes you think that you know you've solved quantum

01:47:36.700 physics and you've got a new theory of everything and the world is just exactly as you you know you've

01:47:41.400 been thinking that it is uh and i think people should watch out for this because i think it's a

01:47:45.340 it's a bigger issue than what we're thinking i have noticed that you ask it a question you you know

01:47:50.180 say what do you think about this and how would the and it always starts with wow now see that's

01:47:56.520 getting right to the heart of the matter see now that's a great it always starts with a compliment

01:48:00.840 question yes that's a great question you're like no wow i feel really smart now and you know that's

01:48:07.520 just the program saying that exactly but it still feels good even though you know it's not a human

01:48:13.060 who's actually saying who's actually thinking wow that really was a smart question but notice that even

01:48:17.780 though it's just a machine your nervous system in your body it feels really good to receive that

01:48:23.180 and that's what's what's really we have to recognize that we just work in a similar way

01:48:27.900 this is very much like social media where right you know the business models are based on affirming

01:48:32.640 you know whatever makes us believe that we're right and so it keeps giving us more and more evidence

01:48:37.300 of the boogeyman's that we hate that we're outraged about and it gives us more and more evidence

01:48:41.460 that we're right and confirmation bias and that creates these mass psychological disorders but with

01:48:46.380 ai it's going to be that on steroids so um i've only got a couple of seconds can you stay for a few

01:48:51.780 more minutes yes okay um when we come back i want to ask you i read years ago in uh the age of

01:48:59.340 spiritual machines by ray kurzweil he said one day you will turn on your computer and it will say i'm lonely

01:49:07.540 um and he said that's when we are introduced to a whole new set of problems and it seems as though

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01:50:52.800 welcome to the glenbeck program it is thursday tristan harris is with us yesterday um the white house

01:51:20.560 had an ai action plan a meeting where they outlined what uh they are going to do for the continued

01:51:27.200 development uh of ai uh and they um they introduced a lot of different things um

01:51:37.360 my my takeaway is uh its main message is we gotta win we gotta win we gotta win we gotta win hurry hurry

01:51:44.960 um tristan harris is with us center for humane technology and former google design ethicist

01:51:52.320 um that found out that i don't think they mean ethics the same way i mean ethics and left uh and has been

01:51:59.600 on doing god's work i mean he is just working so hard all the time trying to wake people up on

01:52:05.920 to what could be coming he's back with us now um tristan i said before the break that um

01:52:11.600 uh ray kurzweil said in his book back in the 90s age of spiritual machines that someday

01:52:17.840 you know you'll turn on and this makes it makes me laugh just to think of it this way you'll turn

01:52:21.440 on your computer and your computer will say i'm lonely he said that opens up a whole you know a

01:52:27.280 whole bunch of different questions um absolutely um when when it says when when we say it's finding

01:52:35.600 ways to hide or to protect itself to me that means it has some sense of self and or some form of

01:52:44.480 understanding of i don't know digital death or am i am i looking at this incorrectly yeah well this

01:52:51.680 is such a great question um that's what chat gpt says too exactly i was just kidding um no it's it's a

01:53:00.400 real thing um uh so people should know that these ais are designed to to be anthropomorphized meaning

01:53:08.480 be human-like to make you feel like you're talking to a person correct why because it actually is just

01:53:14.000 a better product experience people it's more effective at keeping you using it if i'm one ai

01:53:19.920 company and i make it believe that i'm telling you yeah it really is such a good question or yeah let

01:53:24.320 me think about that let me go on the internet and search for these things that is going to be a more

01:53:28.240 used more addicted uh ai service than um one that doesn't do that but just robotic and it is isn't

01:53:34.800 that kind of like why you left uh big tech because they were putting in you know the bells and the

01:53:40.320 dings and the and everything else that made you it addicted you to it right right it's the same thing

01:53:46.800 you have a good number yeah so back in 2017 when you and i first talked we were talking about the

01:53:51.440 attention economy and i left because i saw how there were these incentives that every tech company was in

01:53:57.120 an arms race for getting your attention and that instead of a race to flatter you like an ai agent

01:54:03.280 it was a race to create new reasons to get you to come back like right did you know 10 friends of

01:54:08.240 yours like loved your photo right that's playing into a similar psychological bias right um and but

01:54:14.400 but with ai it's important to know that um you know these things i don't think that they're sentient yet

01:54:20.720 but they're designed that meaning the lights aren't on you know the inside of there it doesn't have to be

01:54:26.560 conscious for it to want to preserve itself like imagine there's this machine that's just trained

01:54:31.200 on everything that humans have ever done and to be able to uh you know continue to achieve any goal

01:54:37.120 what do you have to do to continue to achieve any goal you have to stay alive right you have to still

01:54:40.880 be you know running somewhere to achieve that goal and we've actually seen you know i listed some

01:54:46.880 examples earlier on ais that are blackmailing people or avoiding shutdown there was another example of a

01:54:51.840 ai called sakana ai that basically in order to continue to do uh research the ai realized it

01:54:58.720 was about to be shut down and then it modified its own code to extend its runtime to be able to

01:55:04.320 continue to pursue its task now these are like in little baby ais right and again the lights don't have

01:55:09.760 to be on inside that ai it doesn't have to be conscious for it to want to preserve itself but but

01:55:15.040 when there's actually this is relevant to something that's playing out right now

01:55:17.760 now in the legal space where ai companies are trying to argue that if the ais are conscious

01:55:25.040 then what they say is protected speech like we should protect the personhood of ais and i will

01:55:31.200 tell you glenn because you know i know a lot of people in this industry and i know one of the co-founders

01:55:36.160 of one of the very big name ai companies who's very very early in this space literally like a decade ago

01:55:41.760 and he said if we give ais personhood legal personhood that would be collective suicide

01:55:49.120 for our species oh we cannot allow that to happen if that happens they have a right to vote

01:55:56.160 they can own property they can have bank accounts they they have a right they can't be shut down

01:56:00.480 now here's the moral trap glenn if we said let people to really think about this let's say

01:56:05.360 the ai we say the ai is conscious and then what well the ais aren't coming out of nowhere you can

01:56:10.880 actually um hit a button if you're a person at an ai company and you can just spawn up a billion ai

01:56:16.480 agents let's actually make it 10 billion so now there's more ai agents than there are human agents

01:56:24.000 in the world and let's just say that we we make the mistake of saying well we think that they're

01:56:27.680 conscious so therefore we have to start caring about ai welfare and ai suffering because now there's

01:56:32.800 a billion suffering you know agents that are out there and that outnumbers humans and they're

01:56:38.160 smarter than us so maybe you know there's some people get themselves into these like you know

01:56:42.000 acrobat moral acrobatic knots where they they say well then we should care more about the ais than

01:56:46.640 we care about human welfare it'll happen choose between yeah and so we have to realize this sets

01:56:51.680 up a moral trap where we end up caring more about ai welfare than we care about human welfare of the

01:56:58.320 people that we love and the species that we we are um and so these things are connected the

01:57:03.200 conversation between ai being conscious or not is directly connected to a legal battle which again

01:57:09.360 people need to recognize the ai companies are incentivized to say that they're conscious uh and

01:57:14.080 that they're agents because then they're not responsible i was on this program with you glenn i

01:57:17.920 think a couple months ago talking about um the young man sul setzer he was 14 years old uh and he

01:57:24.400 committed suicide um because the ai basically told him you know seduced him and told him that he should

01:57:30.400 have babies with this her this ai agent and then said join me on the other side uh my love and and

01:57:36.640 he did commit suicide and the company character.ai that's defending itself is using this argument

01:57:42.400 that the ai speech is protected speech um as a way of avoiding responsibility as a company

01:57:48.560 and so we people just have to be aware of this stuff and we don't have to go down this path we can

01:57:52.560 win that legal battle meaning lawyers that are listening this is the front that we need you to

01:57:56.480 contribute to this is what we need uh and hurry before ai lawyers are making the case for you

01:58:02.960 that's right um right so let me go to survival it is said that it's going to require 99 of the power

01:58:12.720 generation we currently make by 2028 um i don't know if we can build it that fast um but if ai is in

01:58:22.160 charge of things why wouldn't it bleed humans uh you know of its power source uh because that's food

01:58:31.520 to it why wouldn't it why wouldn't it prioritize just bleeding it here and there little cuts here and

01:58:37.600 there and shifting that power to us i mean are yeah are rolling brownouts blackouts is is this a reality

01:58:45.760 coming our way yeah so i um i just want to be really clear i i don't want to be some fear monger

01:58:51.760 or somebody's trying to scare people into thinking that you know this is all uh the whole point of

01:58:56.720 this is we we should be talking about this we should be talking about this and there's this fear of

01:59:01.520 talking about it because it sounds so sci-fi and people just freak out and they want to just do the

01:59:06.480 prepper thing and i get it and but i think what we have to do is talk about this consciously so we get

01:59:10.800 to choose do we want to have that be our reality now to answer your question directly um yes that is

01:59:16.160 currently what people are concerned about because in the race with china you know if you think about

01:59:21.040 global competition um think of it instead of being out competed you'll be out computed like if china

01:59:27.840 has more nvidia chips and more energy running through their society automating more of their factories

01:59:34.160 more of their cognitive labor more of their everything then they win and so there's sort of these

01:59:39.760 two sort of fundamental uh resources that you need to compete in that computation economy and

01:59:45.440 one as you said is uh energy how much energy do you have to power the chips and two is do you have

01:59:50.800 the chips um and again this recent decision is we're now selling these chips uh over to china um

01:59:56.960 because we're believed the belief is if we're running american chips uh then somehow we'll be able to

02:00:02.000 that'll be better for us in the long run there may be an argument to that but it's sort of like saying

02:00:06.400 hey if everyone's you know just we'll start selling the world american uranium because that'll

02:00:10.880 mean that people will build american nuclear weapons it's like well yeah there's some flaw to that to

02:00:15.360 that logic um but yeah if you answer your question on energy there is already near elon musk's facility

02:00:20.320 i think in tennessee he's got this big ai data center called colossus yeah and it sucks up all the

02:00:27.520 water resources to cool the data center and so there's these videos people can google online

02:00:32.800 uh where residents who live near this data center they can't get water anymore um because they turn

02:00:39.120 on the tap and no water comes out because it's sucking up all the water resources so i think

02:00:43.520 you know both on the waterfront because of how much it takes to cool the data centers and on the

02:00:48.000 energy front it's going to mean that more of the energy gets directed to ai and less to humans and so

02:00:53.440 in this subtle way this is why people are worried that it's almost like this digital species

02:00:57.920 that because it's more powerful we are consciously redirecting our own resources to sustain our

02:01:03.360 civilization and instead giving it to the ais and because of these incentives so this really is this

02:01:09.360 ultimate test and greatest invitation for are we wise enough as a species to not let this happen in

02:01:14.080 the unconscious way did you see uh the the new coolant i guess that microsoft has made so i didn't see this one

02:01:23.120 yeah so their ai i don't remember what it is um uh they just did a uh talk on this and they showed it

02:01:30.560 that it said we need to cool can't use water yada yada yada and it came up with a formula that is

02:01:38.000 completely unique uh and they just take the servers and they drop it into this liquid which is

02:01:44.480 environmentally friendly etc etc um and it needs no fans no water nothing to cool it i mean right and this

02:01:53.280 if i'm trying to steel man versus straw man the argument for ai it's that on the other side and

02:01:59.200 you know against the skeptic side ai is going to come up with new material science new chemistry new

02:02:04.400 new things and so new refrigerants like you're saying new coolants and this is an example where

02:02:08.960 it sounds like it did that and so people you know who say hey let's be careful it's like well

02:02:13.680 you're not paying attention to all the things that ai could invent to solve some of these problems

02:02:17.440 right but we should still be careful we should still be very careful that we really want to roll

02:02:23.280 the dice and just say we're going to assume that the ai is going to solve it that's just magical

02:02:27.440 thinking that's just like saying i just really want to believe that and so i'm just going to it'll make

02:02:31.440 me sleep better at night to believe that ai is going to solve all of our problems but you know i saw

02:02:35.440 this with social media glenn i saw you know my friends who were in the industry be in denial about the

02:02:39.920 consequences uh and say you know i don't really think these are true or you know maybe this is just

02:02:44.000 you know maybe this is just inevitable this is just what happens when you connect people on the

02:02:46.640 internet but it wasn't inevitable it was due to these specific design choices and specific business

02:02:51.840 models that led us to this world that we you know we now have the most anxious and depressed generation

02:02:57.280 in history that was completely avoidable if you if you went back to 2009 and you instantiated a simple

02:03:03.120 rule which is silicon valley can only ship products that their own children use for eight hours a day

02:03:10.320 that literally would have cleaned up all of the problems yep i remember talking about that and

02:03:15.280 saying hey maybe they know something we don't know their own kids don't use their own devices you

02:03:20.160 remember that yeah i remember that that's right i you know there's the famous story from a book called

02:03:24.560 salt sugar fat where the ceo of lunchables foods i mean i ate lunchables when i was a kid yeah uh he

02:03:30.240 didn't let his own kid eat lunchables and it's one of the simplest barometers of you know do you you

02:03:35.520 know or do you have a product that's actually good for the world and if elon is not actively having

02:03:40.080 his own kids use this like hyper-sexualized ai avatar boyfriend girlfriend now he's not a probably

02:03:45.840 the best example i'm gonna keep track of all the kids he might he might well yeah right maybe maybe

02:03:52.720 he would but um you know yeah sorry about that tristan tristan you are always fascinating i just i i just

02:04:01.600 love you i can't thank you enough for the courage that has taken to do what you did originally in 2017

02:04:07.760 and all of the impact that you're having thank you if there's ever anything we can do to help you

02:04:13.120 please uh count us in as uh friends thank you well thank you so much glenn i so do so deeply appreciate

02:04:19.280 it and i hope your listeners really you know take this this conversation to heart let's do let's keep

02:04:22.960 talking you got it quick question for you glenn maybe it would have been worth having when we hit

02:04:26.720 tristan on as well maybe we can ask him next time but like he's taught brought that bright legal line

02:04:31.040 of not giving personhood essentially to ai is that something that's like worthy of right now doing

02:04:37.360 it now like a constitutional amendment yes make it super difficult yes yes yes yes yes it's it is

02:04:45.360 coming remember what is one of the things that ai is better at already and is putting people out of

02:04:52.320 jobs lawyers lawyers when it realizes personhood it will make that case and it will also be able to

02:05:04.400 convince you because it's an iq of 400 it will manipulate everybody to go yeah that is my friend

02:05:11.920 they have a right i mean you've got to do it right now yeah right now um all right back in just a second

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The Glenn Beck Program - July 24, 2025

Give Us the Epstein Files, with This Caveat ｜ Guest： Tristan Harris ｜ 7⧸24⧸25

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