It’s Time to Carry Charlie Kirk’s Torch ｜ Guests： Megyn Kelly & Allie Beth Stuckey ｜ 9⧸11⧸25
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Summary
On this day in 2025, the assassination of Charlie Kirk will be remembered as one of the most impactful events in American history. On September 11th, 2001, firefighters, police officers and other heroes ran toward the danger and not away from it.
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I was getting ready to record my special last night
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Just to compliment him on how he handled everything yesterday
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I couldn't have told you how it was going to change after 9-11
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Well it depends on how we handle things from here
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Because I thought principles were more important than taxes
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I wanted to make sure that people understood our principles
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Today I feel like we're still in that confusion that we had on 9-11-2001
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When you say that our country has changed forever
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But I think one of the things that has happened
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I'm going to share some personal thoughts on Charlie Kirk coming up in a minute.
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But I want to spend a few minutes with another friend of Charlie Kirk's and a good friend of our program and mine, Steve Dace, who follows me on Blaze TV.
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I think I have sobbed more, Glenn, in the last 18 hours than I probably did since the night of my own conversion.
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And there will be a time after we need to mourn first, Glenn, because otherwise the anger will come out destructively.
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I think Charlie's legacy as a father, husband, friend, patriot merits that.
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But in the not-too-distant future, we're going to have to get the message that was sent here.
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When you saw him behind the scenes or in public, genuinely kind, generous.
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Too many pastors and ministry leaders thought they were too good for Charlie and TPUSA.
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And yet he was the one that sought out the seekers.
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He went to the places that those nicer-than-God pastors didn't go to.
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And he took the bullet that, frankly, that's part of their calling that they're supposed to take.
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And I hope in a good way it shames some of them this morning that they wake up and they realize that they have slept on the job.
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And that's why somebody like Charlie had to do their job for them.
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And as Charlie named his own organization, this is a turning point.
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We're never going back to the way things were before.
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What we do next, we'll decide whether or not they are better.
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And as one of Charlie's biggest supporters and donors texted me this morning,
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we can only pray that out of one, many will rise up.
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That is an absolute guarantee that that is going to happen.
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You know, when the tyrant is killed, his reign is over.
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When the martyr is killed, his reign has just begun.
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And make no mistake, for Liberty, Charlie Kirk was a martyr.
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And, you know, I think, I hope that America, I wish America could know him the way we knew him
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It didn't matter who you were or what rank in life you were, if you needed help, he was there.
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And no matter how busy he was, everything stopped and he would help you.
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And I saw it in him over and over and over again.
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And I wish people could see that because, you know, this cartoon character,
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where they're making him into this bomb thrower, he was anything but.
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I mean, he would have the greatest conversations with people.
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But he could, and he could logically and peacefully have a great conversation with people who despised him.
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And that was so important for the healing of our nation.
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And I really think that that's one of the reasons why he was killed.
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Not just because he was effective at what he did, but because he was healing us.
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And if you just look on social media and see so many people in our movement who have such incredible people I don't know,
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people that don't know me, such incredible testimonies of everything you just said in their interactions with Charlie.
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You know, we had a very divisive presidential primary.
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And to be honest, I didn't always handle it well.
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One of the first people I heard from when it was over was Charlie.
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But that's the kinds of those are the kinds of things leaders do.
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And at my lowest point I've ever had in my faith, the Lord said something to me that will stay with me the rest of my life.
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Because to win the fight that is going to come after this, that is what will be required.
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If you know me, you know, this isn't about being a pansy.
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The apostles did something that Hannibal couldn't do.
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No other civilization in the Fertile Crescent could do.
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And they did not do it because they were passive and they sat on the sidelines and they were nicer than God and they wore pleated khakis and Hawaiian shirts year-round with sweater vests.
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They did it because they got their hands dirty.
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They did it because they did the kinds of things we saw Charlie do.
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I mean, we would have to have a literal conclave, Glenn, and come with literally everyone in our business and movement and come up with divisions to do all the various things.
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I told Charlie at dinner recently, it's like you are like if Rush Limbaugh and the Heritage Foundation had a baby.
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And that's what it's going to take to fill that void.
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And I can't, I'm sure with the size of your audience, my inbox, my wife is going through it as we speak.
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My buddy Sloan over at TPUSA texted me yesterday.
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He goes, Steve, I can't tell you how many pastors we're hearing from.
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They thought they were too pious for us, too good for us.
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And I'm just so sorry that it took two little children and their mom's family away from them for more people to get the message.
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And I want to specifically challenge my generation, Gen X, no more grunge, no more we're too cool for school, no more, well, everything sucks, nothing we can do, no more.
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That was a 31-year-old man doing the work as a young father and husband.
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He has other primary duties that he should have been given the benefit of devoting to as a husband and father.
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But our generation has sat on the sidelines for too long.
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It is our children now that are grown, that are leaving the nest.
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It is our time now to lead, to stop bitching and complaining about boomers, and I say that to me more than anybody else, and to stop looking around like we're still listening to Pearl Jam and Stone Temple Pilots and Soundgarden and nothing's going to get better.
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This is our moment, and we are the ones that are in place to do this with the positions of our families and with our productivity and prosperity.
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Charlie said to me one time, he was 17 years old.
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And the first time we met, he said, I want to be like you.
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He said, I'm doing and going to do what I do because I grew up listening to you and watching you.
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He said, I would race home so I could watch your show at five.
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He said, I'm in high school and college, and I'm listening to you.
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So, he was the guy that I hoped we would find, we would find the leadership in the youth, and they would be raised with truth.
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And yesterday, I spent too much time thinking about how I wish he wouldn't have listened to me.
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My dad said, the goal of every father is to raise a son that can surpass him.
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Charlie, at 25, had a better handle on America and its path and where we were headed and how to fix it than I have even today.
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And because of that, he raised a whole generation.
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Out of the people he taught, millions will rise.
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I thought a lot about the TPUSA crowd, I don't know, group, I don't even know what to call them, the Charlie's friends and family and kids.
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Because I keep hearing people say about his family, and that is true, we've got to pray for his wife and his children.
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We have to live up to be worthy of saying that that was our friend, because I know how he would want us to react.
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And I want his kids to see how a nation reacted.
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And they reacted that way because their dad was such a great man.
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It's 1025, and today we're remembering our dear friend Charlie Kirk, who was assassinated
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And I'm going to get into all of it here at the top of the hour, but we may now have a motivation, and it goes directly to what Charlie Kirk was talking about right before he was shot.
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I want you to listen to this question and Charlie's answer, and where the audio stops is where the shot rang out.
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Do you know how many transgender Americans have been mass shooters over the last 10 years?
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And it says that a .30 caliber hunting rifle was found.
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It was found with an expended cartridge inside the rifle.
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And there were also three unspent rounds that were in the magazine of the rifle.
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there were expressions of transgender and anti-fascist ideology on those rounds.
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And again, this comes from a federal law enforcement bulletin that is starting to go around.
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And we just saw that exact same thing just a couple of weeks ago.
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And I say this sincerely, but also with a touch of questioning in it.
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that the question Charlie was being asked just before he was shot
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Do you know how many transgender Americans have been mass shooters over the last 10 years?
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Do you know how many mass shooters there have been in America over the last 10 years?
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I think that, uh, at this point, all options need to be considered.
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I hope that is a coincidence because if it's not a coincidence,
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it means we are dealing with something entirely different.
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Uh, and I, I gotta believe it's a coincidence, but what an amazing thing to happen still.
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Have you seen the video going around of the one guy in the crowd that immediately is celebrating?
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It's one of the most shocking things I've ever seen in my life.
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I mean, like outside of just how horrible of a human being you'd have to be to celebrate
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Um, the, just the, I mean, think of the moment, right?
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You're, you're, you're, this guy's probably 30 feet away from where this shot just went off,
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There's a man who, I mean, and if, you know, it's, it's a very bloody scene.
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He's literally turning around and cheering, waving his hands up and down, like, like they
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had just won the Superbowl and it's in the crowd.
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Uh, how do I don't see how in a normal circumstance you could possibly react that way without either
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having pre-knowledge or have at least fantasized about something like this happening.
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Um, it is, you know, the reaction to it is incredibly disturbing.
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That one is the worst of them, but there's so many people just celebrating on social media
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and stuff with, with, there's this one woman that's going viral for her celebration afterward.
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And what strikes me of it is like, it, she has a beautiful smile, like a beautiful smile.
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You know, it's like, she's like really happy and joyful and, and it's, she's thrilled that
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this has happened and she's so excited about it.
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It's like, she's really gleeful that this dad just got murdered.
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It is, it's like, it's hard to understand what, what country we even have looking at this
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Well, here's the thing about all of this, America needs to decide what kind of civilization
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If you want to live in a, in a civilization that celebrates or excuses, um, political violence,
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the assassination of people who are only coming to campus to speak to people who disagree and
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will respectfully let those people speak and then have a conversation back and forth.
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If that is something worth shooting someone over, I don't want to live in your civilization.
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And I think that the more these people celebrate, I am hoping the more people on the reasonable
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left, you know, there's the Democrat that we all grew up around will go, I don't want
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And it's not enough just to say, that's not me.
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And they have exposed themselves as being a part of a death cult that I will stand against
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And I want no part of this in our civilization because you don't have a civilization.
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It's not, it's not, it's not, uh, Glenn, one more thing on this, you know, cause we're
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Um, but one thing I can't come back to is all these pictures of their family, you know,
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that this, this beautiful family that they have.
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And, and you see everyone's putting these videos up and everything else.
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And the one thing like I realized after watching, I don't know, a hundred of them is I have no
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None of the photos that are public, he would have let his kids faces be seen because he
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You know, he lived his entire life with the knowledge that what he was doing was putting
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You know, there's a picture of him with this beautiful background of him and his, and his
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wife and their Chicago Cubs hat is like awkwardly pulled over the face of their child because
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they, they couldn't show the face that they couldn't post photos of their own kids.
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Pray for the family, pray for the family and the kids.
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And now let's show those children as they grow, how much he meant to us by living a life that
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he would respect and he would not want a vengeance.
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He would want justice, but he would not want vengeance of any kind.
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And I, I pulled out a song that, um, I had produced years ago for man in the moon and I just wanted
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It's the second stanza of a song that, you know, we all know it's America, the beautiful,
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but I, I thought the last stanza was Charlie Kirk.
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Who more than self, their country loved, and mercy more than love, America, America,
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who more than self, their country loved, and mercy more than love, America, America,
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America, America, America, may God thy soul revive.
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History doesn't turn on the movements of faceless crowds, but on the courage of individuals,
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men and women who in the darkest of hours ask a haunting question.
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Why do I have to be the one to stand when standing carries the risk of losing everything?
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He knew the price of failure was not embarrassment or political obscurity.
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Generations later, it was on the beaches of Normandy, the jungles of Vietnam, the deserts in the Middle East.
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They chose conviction over their own comfort, purpose over safety.
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I think in his own way, Charlie Kirk wrestled with that same question.
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His assassination yesterday is a brutal reminder that in a world of hate and division, telling the truth is no longer safe.
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And he knew, just as those other men did, he knew the price of defending those principles in an age where only telling lies is rewarded.
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The road of soldiers, of first responders, of men and women who run into buildings, run into fires to put them out, not away from them.
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And that's not because they're foolish or reckless, not because they're fearless, but because duty demanded it.
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I knew Charlie well enough to know that he knew his voice and his gifts were not his to hoard.
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At the center of the courage that it takes to be like Charlie Kirk, to stand within the lies and tell the truth in the modern world,
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is something that nobody wants to acknowledge, at least not in the mainstream, if you will.
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We are made for something way beyond ourselves.
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And it was Charlie's faith that fueled his courage.
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He believed, as so many martyrs have, that life's true meaning is not measured by the length of days, but by the faithfulness to your call.
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And so we're left with the question that he lived out.
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What gives us the strength to face the outcome, whatever it may be, for what we believe?
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On a day when we're remembering Charlie Kirk, I would ask that you would review the gifts that you've been given.
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Your voice, your platform, your moment in history.
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If you can't name another person that can do it, then perhaps it's you that needs to stand.
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Charlie Kirk's life is now his legacy, is demanding an answer from all of us.
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And you're going to think it's small and it doesn't matter, but it does.
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And all of us are going to have to answer that question.
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Because if we refuse to look at it and to answer it, somebody else will answer it for us and you will not like that answer.
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And I think you know this, the republic hangs in the balance.
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All day I so desperately wanted to talk to the president to thank him for how he was handling everything.
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To tell him how sorry I am because I know how close he was to Charlie Kirk.
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But also to thank him for being the man who would answer the call.
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And I find it so ironic that I'm having these words that feel so familiar to me.
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That I'm sharing almost the same message that I shared on 9-11-2001.
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Today, as we remember both the towers that fell and the voices that will no longer speak,
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A friend of mine, Allie Bestucki, who is just a remarkable woman, posted something.
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To the people who did this, to the people who support this, you have changed our country forever.
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If your goal was to immortalize Charlie's ideas and to raise people even bolder and more relentless than him, good job.
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And, Allie, I want to share something that I just saw online from somebody I've never heard of, Maddie Rune.
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With everything going on, I'm feeling the pull to go to church and give my life to Christ.
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I know this is a tough day for you, and thank you for joining me.
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He is in the business of thwarting Satan's schemes.
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He is in the business of bringing beauty out of ashes.
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He is in the business of bringing glory to himself and bringing people to himself.
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And, if Charlie had had the choice, if someone had been able to come to him and say,
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It will accomplish more people hearing the gospel.
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I know that if Charlie had had that choice, he would have said yes.
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He went into the lion's den, and now he is with the Lion of Judah.
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Now he is with Jesus, and everyone is going to know who he was and why he lived and the gospel that motivated him.
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And that is the only thing right now that is giving me any hope or any peace or any comfort.
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I know that all I could think of yesterday was how glorious the greeting must have been on the other side.
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You know, well done, good and faithful servant.
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And before any of us heard the news, before his sweet wife, Erica, got the phone call, he was already hearing those words.
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I'm so happy that he's with the saints and the martyrs and the persecuted through which the Church of Christ has been advanced for millennia.
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Heaven gained an incredible person, but we lost a huge presence.
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They weep for the loss to themselves and to the world and to the families that are hurting.
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But when they think of the person who has died, they know exactly where they are.
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And with Charlie, I mean, I knew him when he was 17 and he was a good kid.
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He grew into, over the past five to 10 years, such a theologically deep and apologetically astute man of God.
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As he became a husband, as he became a father, as he became even more of a warrior for truth.
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And that is really what, that's what inspired me.
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And when I heard the news yesterday, I thought, my first thought was, that's it.
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And then later, after he died, I went through some of the texts that he had sent me over the years.
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He was always sending everyone, all of his friends, these very encouraging texts.
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And he sent me this article from a liberal outlet that, of course, had taken some jabs at me, that had made me anxious.
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And I just, I just know that if he were here, that's exactly what he would say.
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And that's exactly what he would tell all of us.
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I have received so many emails from people who have said, I don't know how to get back up again.
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And I don't know what to tell them other than faith in God.
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I think if our side, if you will, I hate that in this context, but if we didn't have God, we'd be very much like the left right now.
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We would be mired in anger and screaming for vengeance.
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And it would be a really ugly place today if we didn't have God.
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And if Jesus wasn't raised from the dead, like if he wasn't resurrected, then we don't have a hope of a resurrection.
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If he didn't defeat death, then we can't defeat death.
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If Jesus didn't live forever, then we can't live forever.
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And that's exactly what Charlie always preached, what he always posted on X, what he always said.
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If you were to be able to text him right now and say, look, Charlie, I've got this really tough thing to talk about today.
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The one word that he would text back, and that would be Jesus.
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Just tell him that Jesus is the only way to fulfillment.
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People may not realize that, but every time he went on a college campus, he wasn't just talking about capitalism or Donald Trump and all those things are important.
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He knew that every single person that walked in front of him was made in the image of God with a soul that was going to live forever in one of two places.
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He desperately wanted the people who hated him to go to heaven.
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And I just pray that I can have that same boldness for the rest of my life.
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I don't mean to put you on the spot, Allie, but I feel as though I have seen two greats come into my life as very young adults.
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And I watched him grow into an icon in just remarkable things.
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And I know I told you about a year or so ago that you're the first that I have seen come through my doors that I have said, that is a game changer.
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This is a superstar that is going to change the game.
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I don't mean to put you on the spot, but I'm sorry to say this to you, but you're the closest replacement.
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I mean, because you can do it and you're placed in the right place and you have very much the same message.
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And I want to say thank you for those words and thank you for your belief in me.
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And, you know, Charlie, way back before I had any audience or was doing anything, I certainly hadn't done anything impressive at all.
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Before I came to the blaze or anything, Charlie was one of the first people to reach out to me, said, you got this.
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And he always, for reasons that I didn't really understand, he always cheered me on.
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Even when I didn't agree with him on everything, he never cared about that.
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He built people up and I don't think I'll ever be able to fill those shoes.
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And, you know, I'm just going to follow the call that God has on my life and try to do the next right thing and believe that God is going to use me.
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And if he uses me in a fraction of the way that he used Charlie Kirk, then my life will be fulfilled.
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You've already done so many great things, Allie.
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Allie Bestuckey, she is Blaze TV host of a show that is doing, I know, but a show that is doing so remarkably well everywhere.
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And can I mention what you're doing or have you decided on that for sure?
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So the show, the show is relatable and we've got, we've got an event coming up and.
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And this is not a time for, I'm not trying to sell tickets or anything like that.
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So we've got this event, a Christian women's conference called Share the Arrows.
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And actually, Charlie was like the perfect embodiment of that, because whenever anyone got arrows slung at them for saying something that was true, he was the guy to stand up and say, yeah, you know what?
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It's about instilling women with courage, teaching them theology and making sure that they share what is good, right and true in every sphere of the world that they occupy.
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And I got a message from someone saying, you know, I'm so glad I bought these tickets two months ago, because I need to be near believers.
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So if that is you, if you are a Christian woman and you're like, wow, I need this, then you can go to sharethearrows.com.
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We will be learning from the word of God, and we will draw courage from each other.
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So if you want to be there, then I invite you to come.
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And it's happening on October 11th at the Credit Union of Texas Events Center.
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And, you know, I just talked to Megan Kelly a few minutes ago.
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And I talked to her off the air, and I said, I think I know the answer, but are you really going to start your tour next Monday?
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Nothing is going to stop these valiant, valiant women and warriors.
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Well, thank you, Glenn, for everything that you do and how you lead and how you represent the truth so well.
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We are all so thankful to you and indebted to you in many, many ways.
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Sharethearrows.com, and you can follow Allie, blazetv.com, slash Allie, and her show is relatable.
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Somebody who is a remarkable force for good in our world wrote to me this morning and said,
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I'm in deep mourning for Charlie, for his family and our country.
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There are no words that can erase the weight of this moment.
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Like you, I'm mourning Charlie, not only as a friend that we lost,
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but the bright light of hope he carried for so many.
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His absence is a wound in all of our hearts, in his family, and in the country that he loves so fiercely.
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Charlie would not want us to remain in despair.
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He understood, perhaps better than most, that our time here is short,
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The pain you feel now is proof of the impact he had,
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the lives he touched, the courage he sparked, the truth he spoke.
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But out of that mourning can come renewed resolve.
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It was merely passed to you, to me, to every mother, father, son, and daughter
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who still believes in the promises of God and the promise of America.
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We will honor him not by our silence, not by retreat,
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but by standing taller, loving harder, and speaking the truth even more boldly.
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In this dark hour, I find myself returning again and again to faith
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and that he will use even this unspeakable loss for a greater purpose
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So when you ask how to surface from this, the answer is together.
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Together we will carry forward Charlie's courage.
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But it calls us now to live our lives with the same passion,
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the same conviction, the same faith, and the same unshakable hope.