Why MAGA Feels Betrayed over Epstein Files ｜ Guest： John Solomon ｜ 7⧸14⧸25
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2 hours and 6 minutes
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Summary
In this episode of The Glenn Beck Program, host Glenn Beck sits down with former FBI agent Jason Trill to discuss the Epstein scandal and why it s so difficult to find out the truth about it. Glenn also talks about why he thinks the FBI should have been more proactive in bringing the Epstein case to justice.
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Uh, I, I, I'm in this strange place where I don't know what's going on.
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Uh, and what I don't like is being told that suddenly I shouldn't care.
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You know, if we have people that have been, you know, raping children, I have a real problem
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I don't think there could be any bigger problem than that.
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I don't have a horse in this race except for the truth.
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Now, maybe the truth is we don't have anything.
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Maybe the truth is Pam Bondi is so in unbelievably incompetent on this issue that she's bungled
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it from the very beginning that there was no evidence sitting on her desk.
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And then when it didn't come out, then she was stuck.
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Well, the FBI in New York is holding back on me.
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Well, as I said that day, why aren't you sending a SWAT team to the FBI headquarters to arrest
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Well, she didn't, which would lead me to believe that wasn't true either.
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And I think those questions have to be answered.
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I think I'm frustrated as most people are this morning.
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I mean, I think that you mentioned common sense.
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I mean, I think common sense is what's breaking a lot of people right now because we all know,
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It's just now it feels like it'll never be proven.
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And that is the heart, I think, of the frustration and kind of the feeling of where do we go from
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It is, this is emblematic of everything we have gone through.
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And we thought we had finally a way to break all of that.
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And I think at least that is my real frustration.
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I want you to be able to say, because I have, man, I have everybody's opinion right in front
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I just think that we need to, I mean, the only way that we're going to be able to heal
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They have to be transparent, or else they're not going to trust anybody.
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The people are not going to trust anybody in the administration.
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What if they came out and said, we have released all of the evidence?
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No, they're still not going to believe them, because there's still stuff that they told
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If they're not transparent, nobody's going to believe them here on out.
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You know, I have to tell you, I think it would be different for me if Donald Trump came out
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and said, look, we're releasing everything, except we've taken out all of the names, but
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We just want to make sure that we're protecting all of the victims.
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The attack that is being levied on, really, the supporters of Donald Trump is confusing
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It only makes it work, because Donald Trump knows his audience.
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I've never seen anybody intuit a group of people better than Donald Trump.
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And this is so unlike Donald Trump, saying, nobody cares about this.
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President Trump, everybody's talking about this.
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And I understand that maybe there might not be any evidence, okay, but the way this is
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being handled is just making things worse, just making things worse.
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You can't just say to your supporters, you people are all out of control.
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And you don't see how badly this has been bungled?
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Pam Bondi comes out and says, it's sitting on my desk.
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Then the next day, well, I can't because they're hiding things, the FBI.
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I just want somebody to recognize you're not crazy.
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And this is the first time I felt like my own side was calling me crazy.
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I don't have a horse in this except for the truth and restoring trust.
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I just want the truth so I can have trust in members of my government.
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Because if we don't restore the trust, we've got nothing.
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So my only horse in this race is just, look, if you made mistakes, great.
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But please recognize that we're not crazy for reading it the way we've been reading it.
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Well, I think as Christians who believe in a higher power and a higher law,
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we have to ask ourselves what personally, how we personally come at this.
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I don't know if you remember all the screaming that was done about moving the embassy to Jerusalem
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I wonder how much of this is just spiritual warfare.
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I did listen to Scott Adams' take on this, which is very persuasive.
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And I'm just, I'm where you are in what, I don't know what to think.
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Um, it was that we elected, that we have a representative, a democratic representative
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of government, and that we elected him to make these difficult decisions based on information
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You, you, you are our elected representative, and I've given him the benefit of the doubt
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If you want the trust because you can't, you can't know it because there are certain things
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in there for national security, that's different than what is being said.
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I mean, that is, then you come out and say that, look, there are some things that can't
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be revealed at this time due to national security.
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That's different than saying, what's wrong with you people?
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Why aren't you, why aren't you just satisfied by me saying there's nothing there?
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My problem is really with the FBI and Pam Bondi, which, which one of who bungled this?
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And if you can't at least admit the PR rollout of this is leading to all of this stuff.
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And I think it just needs to be vetted and solved one way or another.
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And you're not going to do it by telling people, shut up and sit down.
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Isn't that what the left has done to us forever?
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I don't want to believe this about our government.
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I don't want to believe that they're making excuses knowingly for people who are abusing
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And I tell you what, guys, I feel really betrayed and I feel really, really angry.
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We have a president who tells us to move on from Epstein because it doesn't matter.
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And yet he still talks about the 2020 election fraud.
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He talks about all this stuff from five, six years ago.
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And he tells us to move on from the Epstein trial or the Epstein case.
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And I, people like me will not stop talking about this.
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If we do not stand up for the children of this country, we have nothing.
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And I tell you what, I've also lost a lot of respect for a lot of people that are prominent
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figures in this country because they are saying, you know what, this doesn't matter.
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What really matters is election fraud and post-election fraud.
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The children of this country really, really matter.
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How can we just sweep them under the rug and not care?
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Let me ask you, is there anything that could be said that would make you go, okay, that's
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All of them, children, all those families, everything they went through, I don't want
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I pray that God would be with them and give them some sort of peace if they could ever,
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Is there anything that anyone could produce to show you and have you go, okay, Epstein
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is dead, Gladwell is in prison, and that's the only justice you're going to be able to
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Quit telling us that, you know, oh, well, he killed himself and we saw everything.
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We have the information, by the way, it doesn't exist.
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Help me believe that maybe you don't have any evidence against people.
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I do not trust the government at all, and yet they expect me to take their word for it.
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I'm sorry, you lost your credibility a long time ago, government.
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You need to start gaining the trust of these American people back, and I really hope and
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pray that they can at least provide some sort of evidence.
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I don't, I'm beyond, I don't have a horse in this race.
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What I have is common sense, and what I have is maybe a bunch of people hyping this up
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for a very long time, but then I need somebody to say, hey, these people were hyping this
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for this reason, and here, let me show you how that was done.
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So help me, but I don't know how you prove a negative.
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If all these people like me are all upset about this Epstein client list, and it's all
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been for naught all these years, then help me believe that, you know what, you've been
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And actually, there's some really good things out there.
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And if it's the opposite, show us that evidence too.
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Right now, all we have to go on is the word and trust of the United States government, and
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So this is what we found in the documents we're going to give you are going to be, you
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know, mostly redacted, but the information is there.
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There's a lot of good in this country, but you got to help us out a little bit.
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For me, I can't see a world in which where these documents and this evidence doesn't exist
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still, the main reason being it's such an amazing weapon against anyone you detest, I
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lot of things that consume a lot of things, a lot of difference in opinion.
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the utmost importance and not just get rid of it at the very end of the administration
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Is it just because his life is at stake on this one?
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My niece lives in Texas, and she keeps telling me to come there.
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But I've got a cousin right now that's been flooded everywhere she's gone in Texas trying to help rescue these kids.
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He's a wonderful speaker, but he's a terrible actor.
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And when he stood and said what he said about the Secret Service, that was about him.
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If he doesn't care that they just tried to kill him, we don't believe it.
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We can't even trust the man that we fought so hard to put in office.
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None of us who ever have gone through what we've gone through with our homes trust that woman in Florida.
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And as a matter of fact, you're going to love this.
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I'm a member of the total rule of Doge intelligence out of D.C.
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We thought we finally got to the right place to get to President Trump and get things fixed.
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Right now, there is not a damn place in this country getting anything done for we, the people.
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And if you listen to Santos this week's interview with Tucker about the depravity,
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what is more depravity than what they've done to these children?
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We have a nation who are standing up in revolution right now, whether they want to believe it or not.
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And we have the one man we thought we could follow.
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That man is rolling in his grave right now with our founding fathers.
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And we have a man at the helm that we thought was going to be a moral compass.
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Okay, those people out there, Democrats, liberals, whatever, laugh at me all you want.
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And as Travis said, what Travis said rang to my heart because that's how we feel.
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Not only do we feel betrayed, but when you've got a nation of moms and dads who raise kids
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and the kids are lying straight to your teeth and you know it.
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I don't care if it's Pam Bondi who goes to jail.
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She was ahead and told you when all this crap was going on with Epstein before.
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Isn't she buddies with the New York attorney or AG somewhere that was handling this?
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This is worse than the Whitakers as far as incest goes in this country.
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And I'm telling you, I'm with a team of thousands of whistleblowers across this country.
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We handed the ability to clean this country up to Doge.
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You know why I say now everything is compromised?
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I'd like to know what attorney, if it wasn't Dershowitz, that got in Trump's here and said,
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This will take our whole country down to the ground.
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It needs to be down to the ground because we need to rebuild from the ashes.
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This is, I'm going to stop now because I am so livid with what, when we're told to shut
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up and sit down and like Travis said, he's still, he's still talking about the stolen
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We thought we finally had somebody in office that we didn't have to worry about being lied
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Um, I, uh, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't,
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I have several thoughts on what Billy just said.
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I think everything she said, what I heard her say was, you can't trust anything anymore.
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What I heard her say was, we had one shot and now that shot is over.
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What I heard her say was burn it to the ground.
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And especially you want to burn this down to the ground.
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There are tons of people that will help you burn it to the ground.
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Coming back up from the ashes is almost, if not impossible.
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And in many ways, well, in every way I can relate, but I have to separate myself from,
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uh, from your feelings of burn it down to the ground.
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Um, this is, there couldn't be anything more dangerous.
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This is why I hope that we will find our way back to one another through this because we have to,
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if we separate ourselves, uh, we're in trouble.
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Uh, this has not, uh, this has not, this has not made me turn on MAGA.
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I feel exactly like Travis said, what he said that really connected with me was help me help you help me believe.
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There are going to be things that happen that we don't like.
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There are going to be conclusions that you may not agree with.
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You may say, well, I don't think that's what actually happened.
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Just because we believe it doesn't make it true.
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We need the evidence to show us one way or another.
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And then we need to have the guts to say, you know what?
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It goes against everything that I thought, but, uh, the truth is the truth.
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And that's what I got out of Travis help me believe help me because I don't want to be in this situation.
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I don't, you know, when, when Elon Musk and Donald Trump were fighting, I said at the time, I like both Elon and I like Donald Trump.
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I'm doing everything I can to keep my principles, to make sure that I continue to tell you exactly what I feel while not doing any more damage, while not, you know, I'm going to piss the president off no matter what I do.
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Um, but I'd rather, um, but I'd rather not, I'd rather I am on his side because I want him to be the guy I need him to be.
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And by isolating him, there's no chance of that by turning on him.
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There's a chance if we can help him hold the line.
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And on this particular case, convince him to help us understand.
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There are times when I'm, I'm on the air and I know.
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There are times when I'm on the air and I know.
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So maybe I've messed this up because I've put too many of my own words in between her call and what I have to say to you.
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And there are people that are everywhere trying to separate us.
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Trying to make, look at the left, what they're doing with this.
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They are pushing to have us separate from one another.
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We must disagree but not separate from one another.
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John Solomon is on with us next with some good news.
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Friday, I'm hearing all the news coming out of Washington.
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He is the CEO and editor-in-chief of Just the News.
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And he told a story on Friday about what the DOJ is doing with John Brennan.
00:45:03.000
You know, I said on Friday that I think Pam Bondi is like every supervillain James Bond ever went after.
00:45:09.480
You know, where they have him strapped to a table and they got a laser and it's going to cut his head off as soon as the bad guy goes away.
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It's like she's got somebody strapped to the table and she's got some elaborate plan.
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But we all know now he's going to get out of it.
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But it is some good news, I think, from John Solomon.
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You know, we keep this little secret to ourselves if you want.
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You know, I just looked at the last time you were on with me was 2023.
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And I'm thinking, we have got to have John Solomon on more than that.
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That's the mean that there's enough evidence to support a belief that crimes occurred on what viewing the last 10 years as an ongoing conspiracy.
00:47:13.680
An ongoing conspiracy by the deep state and Democrats to protect Democrats from possible criminal prosecution, people like Hillary Clinton and Hunter Biden and Joe Biden, and to foist upon Donald Trump and his supporters investigations that weren't warranted by the evidence.
00:47:32.320
And when you go through that, you can cycle through this and begin to put a very clear pattern and timeline.
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Hillary Clinton gets let off on the email case, even though the FBI got new intelligence early, just a few weeks before James Comey cleared her, that said that maybe there was a criminal matter.
00:47:52.360
On the same day, they start working towards putting Donald Trump under the bogus Russia collusion investigation.
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There are three events that protect Democrats, the effort to call Hunter Biden's laptop disinformation, the impeachment scandal to make it look like Donald Trump had a Ukraine problem when it was Joe Biden.
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And in August of 2020, the FBI gets an extraordinary piece of intelligence that China is trying to hijack the election by creating bogus mail-in ballots for Joe Biden.
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They pull back and actually turn a blind eye to it.
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Then you go all the way down to 2022, the Jack Smith stuff, Joe Biden sickening the prosecutors on Donald Trump when he himself has a classified documents problem.
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But instead, they're going to project that on Donald Trump.
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And you can go all the way to 24, where Joe Biden's mental decline is covered up by the White House to try to influence the election.
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And Kash Patel's document or the FBI's document treats this as an ongoing conspiracy.
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It allows you to go back and charge events that are outside the statute of limitations.
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Many of the overt acts occurred in Florida with the raid of President Trump's home.
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So you could potentially have a grand jury in a trial in Florida where the jury is probably more likely to consider the evidence fairly.
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I heard this in the ongoing conspiracy that that is remarkable.
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That will take care of everything that we have.
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I mean, because nobody has been prosecuted for anything.
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And you just you just list a lot of really important possible crimes.
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And most of those are past the statute of limitations.
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But if they if they say this is an ongoing conspiracy, they can go all the way back past that statute of limitations and charge everybody.
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However, oh, and the other good part is you could possibly do it in Florida.
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So if you're not doing it in in in Washington, D.C. or New York, you have a chance of actually a fair trial.
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But we have been let down over and over and over again.
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Oh, yeah. Many more times than we've ever been given a moment of relief and hope.
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Right. I think this is going to turn on two very important events and they'll have to happen soon in the next week or two.
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The first is, will Pam Bondi appoint a special prosecutor and give them the full authority and resources you do?
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You can't do this at the FBI while you're also trying to stop criminals and the counterintelligence threats.
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You got to break this off, give a person who focuses on it full time, the ability to do it and panel that grand jury and then treat this like a real investigation.
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The second is there are two pieces of evidence.
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It's remarkable, given all the Russiagate and other documents that we've gotten that these two highly classified documents have never been released.
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They are the events that would help a jury understand the beginning and then the repetition of this pattern in.
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There is a set of documents and a classified annex and the inspector DOJ inspector general report about Hillary Clinton being let off in the email scandal that show that just before James Comey cleared her, intelligence came in that suggested there was a serious criminal matter.
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And the FBI chose under James Comey not to investigate that.
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The Democrat gets off in the face of perhaps really damning evidence.
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Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
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We only have the description of Chuck Grassley in one letter.
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Chuck Grassley has spent eight years trying to get this information released, and I think he is about to succeed with President Trump.
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But basically, it just says foreign intelligence came in that the FBI should have investigated and it didn't.
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And instead, it just waved a magic wand and exonerated Hillary Clinton.
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I believe it's at the top secret compartmentalized level.
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But I think Chuck Grassley may have the president's attention and this may happen.
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Now, you know that maybe Hillary Clinton, there's another piece of evidence that we didn't know about that Hillary Clinton perhaps got off on when, in fact, she might have been prosecuted.
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That establishes Democrats getting off like Hunter Biden afterwards and all the other things that happened.
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The flip side is a piece of evidence that John Durham, the special prosecutor who tried to indict some people in D.C. but couldn't get him convicted.
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He writes in his final report about the Clinton plan intelligence.
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It's an intercept that the United States intelligence intercepted in July before the FBI opened up the clearly corrupt crossfire hurricane investigation, an unwarranted investigation of Russia collusion.
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A couple of days before that, the U.S. intelligence community intercepts that Hillary Clinton has personally approved a plan to hang a Russian shingle on Donald Trump's campaign.
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So basically concoct a scandal to make it look like Russia is trying to help Donald Trump win the election so that they can get by Hillary Clinton's own Russia problems.
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Remember, Bill Clinton had taken the $500,000 speech fee from Russia and they got all the money for the foundation for Russian interest.
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So the government knows before it opens up on Donald Trump, before it opens up on Donald Trump, that Hillary Clinton is concocting the very thing they're about to investigate.
00:53:23.540
Now, we don't know what the intercept is specifically, but I think if we get that released and John Durham clearly was begging for it to be released in his report, those two pieces give us the ignition of this recurring cycle of let Democrats off and pin down Republicans with bogus scandals.
00:53:45.360
Well, they're both, believe it or not, in classified annexes of reports.
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So the first one is in the possession of the Justice Department Inspector General.
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He got access to that intelligence, and that would be the easiest place to declassify it from.
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He also created a classified annex to his report that has that explosive Clinton plan intelligence.
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It's part of the reason why the Kash Patel FBI opened up the conspiracy case.
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But unless you can share it with a grand jury because it's declassified, you're going to keep the grand jurors in the dark on what may be two of the most explosive pieces of evidence we haven't had.
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What makes you believe that this will actually happen?
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I do know that the events that I identify in the story have happened.
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Now, the investigation was opened about three months ago by the FBI.
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I have talked to some people who were consulted by the Justice Department.
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Would you consider being a special counsel or a deputy special counsel?
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Now, remember, special counsels have to be Senate confirmed.
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And if you don't have a U.S. attorney, maybe you go and name someone who's a cabinet secretary, who's a former prosecutor.
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Lee Zeldin at EPA was a prosecutor earlier in his life.
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He was part of the team that broke the Russia collusion delusion out in the public.
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What if you named him and you just sped things up?
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Now, the only reason I'm going to believe it is if Donald Trump declassifies and Pam Bondi appoints a special counsel.
00:55:45.220
Do they have to do it before the statute of limitation runs out on people like Brennan?
00:55:53.860
Well, a lot of the events on Brennan go back to 16.
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So but they would be wrapped into a conspiracy.
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There's plenty of events that have occurred in 2022, 23 and 24.
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The raid on Mar-a-Lago over the objections of the FBI.
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But there's a very small window left on the China intelligence.
00:56:24.340
If you open the investigation now, you might be able to toll the statute on that.
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But there are several events that occur between 2022 and 2024, the cover up of Joe Biden's mental decline,
00:56:34.880
that keep a long window for a special prosecutor to bring the whole kitchen in.
00:56:40.080
This is basically a kitchen sink conspiracy case.
00:56:42.780
But that's how you went after the mob back in the 80s and 90s with Rudy Giuliani.
00:56:48.860
There's several years of statute on some events that are part of the alleged conspiracy.
00:56:59.960
If they want to pursue what Kash Patel has started, just announce it this week.
00:57:04.500
Is there any reason you can think of that Donald Trump would not want to do this?
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I'm going to try to interview him the next day or two if they'll allow me to.
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At the end of the day, the president usually will keep a hands off thing on the Justice Department.
00:57:23.040
So it's going to come down to Pam Bondi, who's had a bumpy start to her tenure, for sure.
00:57:32.120
This could be a gift horse that just showed up at her door.
00:57:35.720
And if she runs with it, I think the American public will get an accounting that they've
00:57:41.440
never gotten for and potentially accountability to some of these bad actors who had a spin
00:57:53.080
Now is it time to unravel that great punishment so it doesn't happen again in the future?
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John, I'm going to stop for a break for 60 seconds.
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Back in just a minute with John Solomon from Just the News.
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John, I started the podcast earlier today with a phone call from somebody who I think really
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expressed what a lot of us are feeling about the Pambandi, you know, debacle here on Epstein.
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And he said, look, there's nothing more important than crimes against children.
00:59:40.660
And all of our guts are saying this is there's something really wrong here.
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And now we're being told to shut up and sit down.
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And and we're and we're being told this without giving us, as he said, help me believe I want
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What is your take on the Epstein thing and why it's I mean, is it does it just Pambandi
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I think Pambandi simply raised the expectation of this maybe to have a Fox News moment or just
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to have one of those sort of excitement moments and and it wasn't well prepared and so overstated
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And then they've been rolling backwards ever since.
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Now, I think there are two places that President Trump, Pambandi and and the American
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We've focused on what the FBI got, but the probably the most interesting evidence is still
01:00:47.460
Every time you see someone talking about this, those documents aren't mentioned.
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I think that that's what people like the lawyers for Epstein were talking about.
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Alan Dershowitz was talking about the other day.
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I think that you look at the grand juries and there are two grand juries.
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There's one in the state of Florida and then there's one in Southern District of New York.
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State of Florida is out of Pambandi's control now, though it would have been under control
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Get the information at the Southern District of New York.
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Create a Vaughn index of all the documents that the people see what's been released, what's
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not being released and the reason it isn't being released.
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You'd have a moment of transparency that would reboot the confidence of the American people
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The second place to look is that it is clear that Jeffrey Epstein had some interactions with
01:01:47.460
But at various times, he would have had interactions with the CIA and the people around the CIA.
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By Jeffrey Epstein's own admission in an interview he did several years ago before his death, he
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admitted that he was working with a Saudi Arabian businessman named Khashoggi back in the 1980s when
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Khashoggi was the main man for the Iran-Contra transactions between the Reagan administration,
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It's impossible that Jeffrey Epstein, with that level of relationship, didn't run into the CIA and most likely ran into the CIA, excuse me, again, a few times.
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And my sources tell me there's a few other interactions.
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So Florida grand jury, Southern District, New York grand jury unsealed, and whatever the CIA has on Epstein, I think that would give a great accountability.
01:02:38.160
It would get Van Bondi, Donald Trump, and the FBI focused on other bigger things than this.
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I don't think there's going to be a lot of surprises, but the lack of trust that they've created can be easily fixed with that.
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You know, he worked for the New York Times and the Washington Post and the Wall Street Journal.
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And he finally said enough is enough and he left and he started his own thing because they wouldn't let him cover things.
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And he does an outstanding job, an outstanding job.
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And I think we should also perhaps start to ask the president and Pam Bondi to open a grand jury on a grand conspiracy.
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Now it's just up to Pam Bondi and the president to allow those two documents to be unsealed or to be declassified.
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You know, for years I have been doing this work, covering stories, asking questions, watching how people respond when you ask those questions,
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and also noticing how people respond when the narrative doesn't go their way.
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I have rarely done it the way I should have done it the whole time, and that is with real humility.
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And as I get older, I realize there's only one thing I truly know,
01:07:33.680
and the only thing I'm truly certain of is I'm not certain of anything.
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And that is troubling because it means, wait, I may not ever get the answer.
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And I'm probably not going to get the answer that I like.
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And it's my job to dig in, to analyze, and to explain, and more and more I find myself in a place to where I can't explain.
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I can explain things in a way that makes sense to me, makes sense to you, but doesn't necessarily mean it's true.
01:08:17.080
We are living in a very fragile world right now.
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Certainty has never been a reliable guide, not in a world that is this contradictory, this fragile, this complex.
01:08:34.920
But I know if we are going to survive, not just as a country, but as a species, we have to question.
01:08:44.040
And that is one of the things that really scares me about AI, is I'm afraid it's going to stop us from questioning.
01:08:55.700
Questioning, fearlessly, honestly, that's hard.
01:09:10.940
And for the first time in my life in the last 10 years, I see what questioning power does.
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But the most important thing that we can question, because it's the only thing we actually have control of, is questioning ourselves and what we believe.
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And that's why I would ask that you keep an open mind on everything.
01:09:48.620
It doesn't mean to become, well, I don't really know.
01:10:04.120
And that doesn't mean that you don't stand fast.
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It makes your belief stronger if you throw honest questions at it all the time.
01:10:14.700
Because it will burn away any of the little imperfections or the little things that you kind of, a lot of people, when there's a nagging doubt on something, they just dismiss it.
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When you start looking for confirmation and start looking for clarity, it will shake you.
01:10:45.460
But it certainly, the hell, changes the way and how you believe it.
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I don't know what the answers are on a lot of things.
01:11:00.440
And I'm finding myself not knowing the answer on more and more every day.
01:11:18.000
Not just the really bad guys that we see, like, how come they're not being held accountable?
01:11:30.560
I know that we're asked to be better than we were yesterday.
01:11:33.260
And that doesn't mean more righteous, more of a zealot.
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That means better and perhaps less of a zealot.
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That is one of the more hurtful things that I've, that has ever been said to me.
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And I am trying really hard to be a better person.
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And I had a really hard time with dealing with it.
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And I said, I was on the phone and I said, I'm going to end the conversation right now.
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But I'm, I'm not going to, I'm not going to argue lies.
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And when I took the time and I prayed about it, I saw how that individual might see things.
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And what was going on perhaps in their life that made them feel that.
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And it was even harder because as I did that, I realized that person had not done that and given me the benefit of the doubt or given me the time at all in their life to think about from my perspective.
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It's not about presenting both sides of any argument.
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Especially when it contradicts what you want to be true.
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And you know, one of the things that was so hurtful about what was said to me was.
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It isn't something that any honest person, if you're really trying to be better, wouldn't go, well, wait a minute, is it this?
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And if you're really doing that, and you're really tearing yourself apart in a good way, and you're really trying to find answers.
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Because when the self-righteous walk in the door, it's difficult because you've already accused yourself of that.
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Because I don't want to be comforted by my truth or our truth.
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I know what we're going to have to stand against.
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I guess everything we would hope an American soldier is in the end.
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and the one who heals all the way along the way.
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Isn't that what we're all supposed to be doing?
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I'm trying to tell you the truth without dividing.