ALEX JONES: TWO MINUTES TO MIDNIGHT
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Alex Jones joins Lou Dobbs on the Great America Show to talk about what it's like to be a conservative pundit in the late 80's and early 90's. Alex Jones has been a conservative voice in the media for a long time. He is now a full-time podcaster and host of the Alex Jones Show on the radio show Alex Jones Radio.
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Hello, everybody. I'm Lou Dobbs and welcome to The Great America Show. Thanks for being
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with us. It turns out Joe Biden isn't the only Marxist im in D.C. who is, well, getting
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a little slower. Take a listen to Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer talking to the American
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people with a straight face and telling them Joe Biden's mental acuity is great and any suggestion
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otherwise is right-wing propaganda. I talk to President Biden, you know, regularly or sometimes
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several times in a week or usually several times in a week. His mental acuity is great. It's fine.
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It's as good as it's been over the years. I've been speaking to him for 30 years since we worked on the
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Brady Bill in the assault weapons ban when I was a young congressman. And he's fine. All this right-wing
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propaganda that his mental acuity is declined is wrong. He's going to win the election because he
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has a great record, because more and more Americans are seeing that record.
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If Schumer seriously believes this president isn't demented and impaired, he might be right there
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with him. Don't you think? Our guest today is Alex Jones, the Alex Jones. And Alex, it's always
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great to see you. It's been a long while, but we're delighted to have you here and to have a chance
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to have a little talk about what in the world is going on in America. Well, I'm glad you raised that
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up front because you sent me a few questions, but you didn't add that one. And that's what I was going
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to say. What is it like when you had the top show in the English-speaking world? We're not trying to be
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first place here, but a bigger show than Tucker had on Fox. When you were on CNN reaching 10 million
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people a day conservatively predicting 20 years ago, 18 years ago, everything that's happened. So our job is
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much easier as patriots that are anti-globalist. I mean, you pioneered on mainstream media, the first
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person to ever break all this. So I was going to ask you when you asked me questions, what is it
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like now to now be here when Elon Musk and Joe Rogan and Tucker Carlson all sound just like you did
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20-something years ago? Well, it sounds like music to me because I didn't hear any like voices like
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mine. Well, I would reserve that. You were amazing throughout your career. You started as a skeptic of
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all that is establishment. And my hat's off to you. But I was out in the wilderness. I mean,
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I was out in the wilderness. I was a bush leaguer when I was doing it. You charged right on. And it
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showed that freedom is popular. You have the number one show, as I said, covering freedom,
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just like all the top shows now are populist, anti-globalist. So I think that's a very positive
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thing about the awakening that we've reached. I've been a populist all along. I've always said,
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you know, populist, they say it like it's a dirty word. In my view, it means people.
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And if you're not for the people of this country, who the hell are you for? So if you don't call
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yourself a populist, I want you to say exactly what you are, what you do, because you sound like
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an enemy of this great republic. And I felt that way from the outset, as you suggest. And I know
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this, that there are enough voices. You were talking about Tucker and everyone out there.
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I am so delighted to have people with strong and bright principled voices out talking about what
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matters to this country. It's a joy to me to watch it, to still be part of it. I'm thrilled to be still
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in the arena fighting. You know, I may not land as many punches, but I sure do. Well, I guess I'd
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land a few, but it's harder to take them. I'll put it that way. Go ahead, Alex. Go ahead.
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No, I just know that I'm coming on with you, but I want to talk about you, because when I look at
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who in the last 30, 40 years has had the biggest effect against this anti-American agenda, it's Ron
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Paul, it's Lou Dobbs, and then kind of we all came later. And I'm not taking away from Tucker. I'm
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friends with Tucker. Love Tucker. He's amazing. I think hopefully he'll have you on his show soon.
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He should. But I just look back to the people that were telling me about this first. You know,
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my grandfathers, both my mother's dad and my father's dad, they weren't on air, but they were
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both aware of this because they were learned, educated men. So I just realized that it's like
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the rock in the pond. So we can see the big waves now out from the edge of it. But I'm just saying
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Lou Dobbs was one of the original big rocks thrown in the pond. So, you know, I don't
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care about Hollywood people. I don't care about sports people, none of that. But I do get
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a little bit giddy talking to you because I'm smart enough to look back and say, if there
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wasn't Lou Dobbs for all those years on air, you know, the only person in mainstream media
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saying it, we would be in a lot of trouble today. And we're still in a lot of trouble.
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We're in a lot better position, thanks to you. So I know it's a little bit groveling here,
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but I'm not. We need to recognize the people that were, you know, trailblazers. And you're
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Well, thank you. And I take that as high praise and coming from you. You know, you were talking
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about being out in the bush. You were only in the bush because people were scared to death
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of you in that establishment. And they were putting you back as far as they could, as long
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as they could. And you broke through and hallelujah, brother. And it's like you say, it's a great
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gathering, these voices now, to hear them taking up the issues that matter instead of the pablum
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of the mainstream national corporate legacy, whatever you want to call Marxist media. People
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are wising up to it in a hurry. And it's wonderful to see. And the question only now is, is it soon
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enough? Because we're sitting here 10 months away from an election. It's I truly believe
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it. You know, a lot of people say it's existential. It's all of this. I think it's our last best
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chance, period. And we got to we got to move ahead. I want to ask you back in those days,
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if you could ever have imagined in your earliest days that this country would have a 2000 mile
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long border that they turned over to the Mexican drug cartels. There's no middleman. Biden just
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handed over to the cartels. And the Border Patrol is afraid to get near it. The National Guard has to
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on their side edge up to it. But no one is dealing with the reality that is the cartels controlling
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Mexico and our border. It's total rogue warrior. You know, back 20 something years ago, when you're
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exposing it in the last decade on Fox Business and all that, it was a problem. But but but not
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because I've been down there 50 times or more like you have. Now it is road warrior bizarre.
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You don't have to go looking for smugglers or kids being loaded in vans without their parents.
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You go there for even 30 minutes and you are just I know I am dizzied or stunned by how insane it is.
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And then I'm flying to the border and being groped to get there and groped to fly back.
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And it just illustrates how asinine it is. There's all the security at the airport.
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But then the border is completely wide open and the Border Patrol to their great irritation has been
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turned into a facilitator of the crime. And it just shows the social contracts broken.
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We know the NGOs that you exposed on Fox Business. They got you in so much trouble.
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It's finally in the news are paying these Democrats we see on the news to house these illegals.
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They're not doing it out of the goodness of their heart. It's a new business for Democrat voters
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to bring in new Democrat voters, but also house them for 40, 50 thousand dollars a piece a year
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in their house. So this is a business that's cloward and pivoted that will collapse the country.
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And that's exactly what it's designed to do. So that's why I have a sickening feeling,
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even though I'm optimistic and see a big awakening. I can still, like you said, tell it's crunch time.
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You can cut the danger with a knife and really feel that America is at the crossroads right now.
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This is the most important election in modern history, probably the most important election in
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world history at this current point, because, as you know, elections are only a few hundred years old,
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the modern world. I guess Greece had a few little tests with it or something in ancient times.
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But it is truly amazing that we're at this point in history.
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Yeah, it is amazing. And we're talking with the amazing Alex Jones. We're going to take
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just a quick break. We're going to be right back. We're talking with Alex Jones about the things
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that matter and matters most. Of course, this country, the United States of America. You don't
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hear people say United States of America a lot, do you? You don't even hear them talk about the
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United States anymore. They'll sort of whisper America, but they won't. That was my Biden impression,
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by the way, Alex. We'll be right back with the great Alex Jones.
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We're back with Alex Jones. And Alex, I just want to turn to a reality that is the national
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capital, the nation's capital, the swamp, the open sewer, whatever people want to describe it.
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The truth is it's a land of coercion and blackmail and absolute raw political force. An NSA whistleblower
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who's a guest on the show a great deal, a friend, he said point blank to me the first time I talked to
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him, that he knew there was a problem when the NSA was spying on Barack Obama in 2004. He knew there
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was a problem when Supreme Court justices were being surveilled by the NSA. And he became a whistleblower,
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and to his great cost and to his great credit. He's a great patriot. We right now are facing
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total surveillance. We are facing a total loss of constitutional rights because the American people
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are taking it. How much more can we take, Alex? Well, you're absolutely right. I mean, look at
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Tucker three years ago. He gets a call from the NSA and you're being spied on. He talks about it. They
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don't deny it. A month later, the Washington Post goes, yeah, we've got your private messages and
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we've got transcripts to your phone calls. That is a huge felony against a journalist. And Nixon
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was removed from office for far less. And so there's this emboldened arrogance to all of it.
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And I don't like Obama, but he shouldn't have been spied on by the NSA. And then we have Trump,
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we know, as candidate Trump, and then presidential elected Trump. And then I guess what's the right
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term? Nominee Trump. And then he was the president. But the point is the entire time they were spying
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on him, trying to find something, and they didn't find anything. When he was candidate, president-elect,
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or president, they had the two fake impeachments and the Russia game. I remember watching congressional
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hearings six years ago, and they're just flat out, Alice Jones is a Russian agent. Never been to
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Russia, not involved with Russia, know nothing about Russia when it comes to being there. But
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they're just saying, I'm a Russian agent. All of Trump's supporters are Russian agents, because
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they're the globalists that are selling out the country. And so they need to project onto us that
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we're the unfaithful ones. And so, yeah, the general public knows it's not true, but they use that
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designation to spy on us. And it's totally illegal. And so, yeah, we're kind of already inside the
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tyranny. The question is, how high are they going to turn it up? Right. You're right. And just where
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do they stop if they stop at all? We are right now, and the national mainstream media will not
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acknowledge that these Marxists who control the Democrat Party, the Marxist Dems, who are the masters of
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this puppet President Biden. They control the entire federal government. This is no joke anymore. This
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is not a party that's interested in politics. This is a party that's interested in dominion. And they mean
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to possess power in perpetuity. And meanwhile, we have a fight over the national, you know, the Republican
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National Committee. We're having a fight over electors and the stuff that's at the margin. When the
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reality is that government of ours is in the hands of a foreign power, that foreign power, I don't mean
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in terms of geography. I mean, in terms of foreign, in the sense that it is alien to everything. This
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country stands for the people who are the Marxist Dems who control that are aliens unto themselves.
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And to the rest of this country, we are looking at a desperate, desperate inflection point in our
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history. And it's whether or not we have the guts to stand up to the conflict that is surely coming.
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Will it be open conflict? I don't know. But it will be conflict and there will be pain and there
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will be loss and there will be sacrifice. And there's no way around it. And people have to
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steel themselves to that. And I don't know if the American people have that in their spine right now.
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Well, that's right, Lou. And you always say I learned so much from you. We think of Russia or
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China, and there's certainly adversaries and China's really out of control and evil and
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hugely wedded the Democratic Party and people like Mitch McConnell on the Republican side. So it's a
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huge real threat. But the globalists, the leftists, the Marxists, they really hate America. Even when
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they run it, they still see it because of its Christian background and because it did oppose the
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Soviet Union and things as the enemy. And they are the main threat and that they are like a foreign
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government. They are a fifth column. They really are an alien group to our country. BlackRock and the
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big banks and the money and the Hollywood and the whole woke thing is just a corporate
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cult with all these minions literally working against the country. And as big a threat as China is,
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I'd say it's 20 percent of the threat and Russia is 10 percent of the threat. But then I'd say 30 percent
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of the threat is our own domestic enemies that have opened us up to Islamic invasion and a criminal
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invasion that have run our dollar down, that are saying they're going to put mentally ill people
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in charge, flying airplanes. I mean, they are admittedly trying to bring down the old structure
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to get control of it. I mentioned Cloward and Piven. This is on steroids. What's crazy is they're in the
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house that they're undermining, that they're going to be destroyed by it. So they're so ideological.
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They have such a sick ideology that they really are mentally ill. And I don't think they think
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two, three, four steps ahead. And I agree with you. I don't know because there's a big awakening
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happening. The average conservative or populist or Christian now knows, wait, we're in trouble.
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But I still don't think they knew what you knew 20 years ago or I knew 20 years ago of just how
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diabolical this is. And I just don't know if even our best people realize that we're two minutes to
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midnight and that this is this is the crisis, not just of America, but civilization, because if the
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globalists get full control and they can eradicate the idea of American freedom, then all we have is
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Klaus Schwab and Bill Gates's ideology of scientific tyranny. And so that's why they're at war with us,
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because even though it's the source of their power, the freedom we generated, the productivity,
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still it's existential to them because they want to get rid of any ember of freedom that they believe
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Yeah, you're absolutely right. And if you look at it in terms of economics, we're looking at a country
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in which large corporations, the tech industry itself, massive capital valuations, three trillion.
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If you're in video, you get to go buy Amazon, Apple. We're talking trillions of dollars in three,
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you're talking almost 10 trillion dollars in three companies. That's unheard of.
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The idea that this country can somehow survive without being stepped on by these elephants,
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we are the we are the dominions. We are the de minimis fragments floating in space, and they are
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the all powerful. And we have to find some way in which to bring to heal the idea that this Marxist
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government of ours is going to be responsive to the to the people, to the consent of the government.
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I remember you doing business news whenever it was 2000 or whatever, and you were covering the
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breakup of Microsoft and it was a monopoly and it was corrupt and deserved it. I look at Bill Gates's
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corruption, not as a business reporter, but as a layperson. It's nothing compared to the three
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big elephants that you just mentioned, Apple and Facebook and Amazon and Google. There's four
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elephants. And Microsoft now is back. I mean, isn't the answer trust busting? But there's no
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energy for that now. Yeah, there's no energy unless you're Elon Musk and you are a disruptor
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and you do not heal to the to the to the principal narrative of these Marxist Dems. And then suddenly
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you've got the SEC, you've got the FTC and every every EU coming right after you. And he'll be
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performing before the SEC, I think, next week. That's where we are. We're talking with Alex Jones.
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We're talking about whether or not this great republic will survive. And it's up to you when it's
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up up to Alex and me. And we'll all try to do our part. I am sure we'll be right back. Stay with us.
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Lou Dobbs here. I'm delighted to let you all know that the program Lou Dobbs tonight has returned to
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I hope you'll be joining us for Lou Dobbs tonight as our fight to save this country has only begun.
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We're back. We're talking with Alex Jones and Alex, the idea that we have a 2000 mile border,
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as I said, that is wide open as long as you're paying off the cartels because it's their property
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now, not America's, not Mexico. And by the way, the cartels also are in charge of Lopez Obrador,
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the president of Mexico and everyone in his government. So where do we stand and how in
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the world is it? There's not anyone in this country. It seems to me really grasping the
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desperate moment that we live in. And the American people seem to be just sucking air through their
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teeth, waiting for somebody to say, you know, maybe we should be a little outraged at this.
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Well, look at the $90 million spending package to Ukraine and Israel that they call a border package
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and they think they'll pass to the house. I hope they don't. And the American people do get that
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there's billions to NGOs to pay for more illegals. And it basically gives Biden the power to even
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open the border up more and they see right through it. So, but, but they feel powerless. I mean,
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just like you and I, at least we have platforms to warn people and we have border patrol that are
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whistleblowing and we have all this happening, but I hate to use the World War II analogy or
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maybe an Eastern Europe analogy after World War II, where Stalin's tanks are rolling into your country
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and it's wrong and it's terrible. You want it to stop, but it's really happening.
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And so I think in a way, because our government's been seized, we're spectators to this.
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And one of the biggest hopes is Trump is wildly popular and I'm not a perfect person. None of us
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are, but would shut this down overnight. It's just fighting with nine months left to try to get in
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there with all these false indictments. This is way better than any football game and sudden death
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overtime or basketball and overtime, because that stuff's fun and I enjoy it myself, but it doesn't
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matter who wins the game at the end of the day. This is everything. This is our children.
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I've got kids old enough now, but they have grandchildren. I know you're a father and all
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the rest of it. And it's just to watch the establishment recklessly flush all this security
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and freedom down the toilet for a perceived short-term bottom line really shows they're
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disconnected. They're not the elitist they say they are. They're not the aristocrats they claim
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because an aristocrat's not perfect. But if you've got a ruling class, they're supposed to hold up
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society. They're supposed to try to build stability. And instead, I know we've got all
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these lawyers and politicians and think tanks that just think they're invincible. You know,
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if you go back to a great movie made about the Deepwater Horizon that was based on the transcripts
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of the lawsuit and the British Petroleum criminal trial. And so the movie with Mark Wahlberg and
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Kurt Russell's excellent. We've seen it. But it's based pretty much as close as you can get to
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what really happened. And they get a call from BP's headquarters in the U.S. in Houston.
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And they tell the head engineer, the head of the plant, yeah, we're spending $30 million a day to
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drill this super deep well. We don't think we need to dump concrete in on the hole. He goes,
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let me do an equation. He comes back 10 minutes later and he says, if we hit gas at any decent
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level, it will blow up the plant. They said, well, we're going to, by saving $300 million in the next
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couple of weeks, not putting concrete in the hole to pressurize it. We're going to leverage
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that, make an extra billion dollars. So we don't care. You're ordered to do it. And so the engineer
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said, we'll do a stress test and just test what you said for a few minutes. They did the stress
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test, didn't blow up, turned it off. Just the stress test hours later blew it up and killed a
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bunch of people and the biggest wall spill in history. And I don't think I know, I've talked a lot
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of insiders. It's that corporate attitude of people in London and Houston telling engineers
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on an oil drilling platform with 40 foot thousand deep well into the biggest reserve they ever found.
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You don't need to follow math. You just go ahead and do whatever you want. And I think that's the
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perfect allegory on an even bigger scale of where we are. We have reached lunatic level bizarreness
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from the ruling class. No question about it. And anyone who pays attention
00:26:04.160
to the stock market, for example, has to be struck by the fact that we're $34 trillion
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in debt. We've got $2 trillion in annual deficits. We have another almost $10 trillion in external debt.
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Then we also have the Federal Reserve with another $8 trillion on its balance sheet that has to be
00:26:25.620
worked off. And meanwhile, you look over to CNBC or Fox Business or whomever,
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and you and you see these these these sell side personalities saying, you know, you've got to buy
00:26:39.460
you've got to be X, B, Y Chinese stocks by the dozens. They're pushing American investment and savings
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into the Chinese economy, which is madness in of itself. It's remarkable.
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Which is, as you know, is imploding. I mean, I'm not a business expert like you, but I watch it.
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I'm like, wait, China's imploding. Why am I watching CNBC and it's almost all go to China?
00:27:05.460
Like, I'm on a rocket scientist, Lou, but am I right? That's really bad advice. I mean,
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Well, you know, Kramer is a good guy. But the fact is, he's also a corporatist guy. And that's
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his world. And that's understandable. But here's the real deal. This is the world we all live in.
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And it matters where we put our money and it matters where we invest our money and it matters
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where we put our plants, because the simplest truth that is in manufacturing is that the greatest
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innovation, the greatest inventions have to be in proximity to markets and the plants that
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fabricate whatever the product may be, whether it's a car, whether it is advanced technology.
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And those that don't know, you can have the best technology ever. But if you don't have
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infrastructure to do it, you don't have it. And if you don't have it in proximity to your
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market, you're even dumber. And guess what? You hear that crying? That's all those people
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who invested in those global supply chains that screw up nearly every business in this
00:28:05.840
country. We're paying a horrible price for it. And we're a more dependent nation as a
00:28:10.020
result. So let me ask you, though. I mean, I see what's happening in China. It looks really
00:28:13.940
bad. I know that'll drag us down partially. We're pivoting to India. But how can they be on
00:28:19.560
CNBC and Bloomberg advising people to go to China? I'm not the big business guru like you,
00:28:25.260
but that sounds like really bad advice. Well, it's not only, you know, it's just advice.
00:28:31.400
And the fact is, if you're a corporatist, it's wonderful advice. If you're a populist,
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it sucks. I mean, let's be straightforward about it. It's a terrible thing for this country not to
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even be having the conversation about building plants, as Donald Trump said when he said he's going
00:28:47.480
to bring back all the outsourced jobs, all of the plants back to America. There's so many out
00:28:51.780
there, it's going to take years to bring them home. But if we don't, we're going to pay an even
00:28:56.560
heavier price. So let me ask you this, because I know you're interviewing me, but it's true.
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You're smarter than me when it comes to business. What is your dead reckoning? Because I'm going to
00:29:07.280
air this on my show. You told me during the break of good. So I'm going to air it a couple of days.
00:29:10.400
What is your dead reckoning? Because I'm trying to tell my family. They're concerned.
00:29:13.640
I don't know. I'm pretty smart. I don't know what's going to happen financially. That's the
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one area. I'm pretty good at other predictions, but I'm like a blind bat when it comes to finance
00:29:23.180
and the economy and the Federal Reserve and inflation. I mean, what do you, just in a summation,
00:29:27.920
really things going on, Lou Dobbs? Well, in summation, and you're ending this with a very good
00:29:35.780
question. And the reality is no one knows the answer to it, because the complexity of this
00:29:40.860
globalist economy that we've constructed, the derivatives alone are exponentially greater than
00:29:48.680
the physical economy. And the physical economy is right now, there's a veil between, a veil, a curtain,
00:29:55.520
maybe even an iron curtain between investors and savers, taxpayers and working people,
00:30:03.240
and the financial structure that is the lifeblood of it all. It is right now such a complicated
00:30:11.380
economy. For example, in China, we don't know if their GDP goes up 5% or 10%, whatever they say,
00:30:17.640
that's what it is, because there is no clarity. And right now, there is no clarity on what they're
00:30:22.960
saying. There's such a black box with derivatives in China. That's what it looks like to me is like
00:30:27.960
with St. Bankman Frye or anybody. They don't even know. The Federal Reserve is like, oh, inflation
00:30:33.240
is down. No, it's up. Oh, we're in a raise, raise lower. To me, it looks like they don't know what
00:30:37.600
they're doing. They know what they're doing. They just don't care about the consequences.
00:30:44.060
And that's the chief difference. And by the way, that sounds like a political economy, doesn't it?
00:30:48.240
Because our politicians are thinking the same way as the oligarchs and the corporatists.
00:30:53.440
So they're backing up their investments in China and other places at the detriment of
00:30:58.200
Americans. Oftentimes, without question, and certainly to their own benefit. But that's
00:31:04.960
the beauty of capitalism, raw, unfettered capitalism, laissez-faire capitalism.
00:31:10.260
Take no responsibility for the consequences of your actions so long as they drive profits.
00:31:16.920
A true capitalist takes responsibility and understands the impact of society
00:31:22.160
and to all of its stakeholders or her stakeholders. And that is that was that was America 1980,
00:31:28.940
1990. Well, Henry Ford, Henry Ford was unleashed. I'm interrupting. Sorry, go ahead.
00:31:34.520
No, I you were saying 1980 unleashed. Say it again.
00:31:38.420
Well, I'm saying to you that we had a compassionate conservatism. We had a concerned capitalism
00:31:45.880
and a responsible capitalism. What we're witnessing today is a mad rush to unexpected, unknown and
00:31:54.120
unpredictable consequences. Take, for example, the investments in China. It could be a black hole.
00:32:01.160
It could also be a fountain of capital. We don't know the answer. Everyone pretends they do.
00:32:07.920
Take our artificial intelligence. We don't know whether the extension of artificial intelligence
00:32:12.660
is an extraordinarily efficient and utopian world for all of us in it or whether there will be no room
00:32:20.060
for us in any of what is transhumanism and a world that is dominated by machines rather than
00:32:29.220
something quite called a human. Absolutely. It's just an incredible moment to be alive. And
00:32:36.580
it makes my head spin because there's so many, like you said, so many variables going into it. And
00:32:44.260
it seems like the establishment only thinks first or second order. They're not thinking out further
00:32:49.180
what it's going to do. Yeah. And they also and I've just been given a signal that this is your last
00:32:56.380
question on your show. But the reality is that right now, this is a country with so many problems,
00:33:05.480
desperate problems in terms of how we're going to live. And you mentioned your children and mine
00:33:10.520
and grandchildren. In my case, you know, we have a great investment in their prospects in their future.
00:33:17.080
And this nation's, I think, destiny is the way I look at this country's future. It is a destiny.
00:33:22.920
But only if we ourselves live up to the principles of our founders and those philosophers
00:33:29.240
and patriots who made it possible. Alex Jones, I want to get graded on my last answer.
00:33:36.760
I insist you've been asking all the I have to get an A. It's A through F.
00:33:41.160
Well, I'm interesting. I'm interesting, but you're even more interesting. It's true. And I'm going to
00:33:45.080
air this on my show. And you need to come on my show as soon as you can. It's been 10 years.
00:33:49.880
Gut level, just, you know, pass the business expert and journalist, talk show host to grandpa.
00:33:55.080
Well, when I look at my children and they're getting old enough to get together and get
00:33:59.960
married and have kids, it makes me physically sick because I love them so much. And they're
00:34:04.680
the only investment that matters. And I just gut level look everything. Trump's not perfect,
00:34:08.920
but I can just feel Trump is going to protect their future. Just gut level, not as intellectual.
00:34:14.280
I just want Trump. And because the end of the day, I have all the math, the numbers. He's a good guy.
00:34:18.920
He means well. He agrees with us on most things. But gut level, obviously better than Michelle Obama
00:34:24.600
or Gavin Newsom or Biden or any of them. We need Trump. Gut level, do you think Trump can make it
00:34:32.120
through all this and get in? A and B, what can we do to get him in? Well, the answer is he has to get
00:34:38.600
in. He is committed to that. I wish that more Americans were as committed as he to his leadership
00:34:45.400
and to this great nation. The MAGA world, all of us deplorables, America first, we're going to be
00:34:53.880
there. But we've got to do even more than just vote for him. We've got to be part of our community.
00:34:58.520
We've got to be in those precincts and we have got to be watching and we've got to be doing and
00:35:02.920
we've got to be telling anybody who doesn't want our eyes on them, go to hell. I'll be right here
00:35:09.560
watching over our democracy. And you just step aside. That's where we have to be.
00:35:15.720
And from there, I think we start to see excellent results if we are living our lives in our
00:35:20.520
communities and taking charge of our communities rather than letting this world wash over us in
00:35:26.360
terms of big questions and nonsense spewed by the propagandists that we call a government spokesman.
00:35:35.080
Well, I know one thing for sure in closing, thanks for having me on,
00:35:38.360
is that we're not living in boring times. Anybody that says I'm bored is not paying attention.
00:35:43.480
We are in extremely dangerous, but also very opportune times where the Chinese say,
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may you live in interesting times. That's a double meaning.
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Lou Dobbs, thank you so much for having me on. Love you to death, man.
00:35:54.600
Thanks to Alex Jones and thank you everybody for being with us. Join us tomorrow for The Great
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