In this episode of The Great America Show, host John Fawcett is joined by Mike Benz of the Foundation for Freedom Online to discuss the FBI's handling of the investigation into the January 6th, 2019 attempted assassination of President Trump.
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00:00:33.860Hello, everybody. I'm John Fawcett in for Lou Dobbs on today's episode of The Great America Show.
00:00:38.700The RNC wrapping up its final day today in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, with President Trump expected to speak this afternoon and accept the nomination for president.
00:00:46.380President Trump also this week tapping J.D. Vance to be his vice presidential nominee for the Republican ticket in November.
00:00:55.020New developments also out this week from the Secret Service.
00:00:57.560We now learn that the attempted sniper of President Trump was cited three hours before his assassination attempt on President Trump,
00:01:06.900walking around the venue with a rangefinder, then coming back shortly after with a backpack to which the authorities also noticed that alerting the Secret Service.
00:01:16.380To take all this up, we're going to bring in Mike Benz. He's our guest today. He's the executive director for the Foundation for Freedom Online.
00:01:24.600Mike Benz, it's great to have you on The Great America Show.
00:01:26.700So there's so much to talk about, the FBI heading this investigation into the Trump assassination attempt.
00:01:34.120You've got Secret Service director talking out both sides of her mouth.
00:01:38.760I mean, you have politicians now talking out both sides of their mouth.
00:01:41.940You have Joe Biden talking out both sides of his mouth.
00:01:44.560What's going on? What's your assessment on what took place that day and where we go from here?
00:01:50.020Well, we don't yet know. The details are so scant.
00:01:53.100You know, if somebody says something that triggers the cancellation mob within 10 minutes, we have their YouTube, their Instagram, their Facebook, their X history, their Reddit history.
00:02:03.040And it's now coming up on 120 hours since the shooting.
00:02:10.360The FBI has essentially jumped on the grenade the same way they did for investigations around January 6th,
00:02:17.340the same way they did for investigations around the Gretchen Whitmer fed napping,
00:02:21.980the same way they did around basically every seemingly major event where there appears to be a federal nexus.
00:02:29.380Nobody should have any trust in the FBI.
00:02:31.920It's the same FBI that plotted to have an insurance policy to stop Trump from being elected in the first place.
00:02:38.360And as I've been saying on social media all week, I believe there's a straight through line from the January 6th pipe bomb situation to the present one,
00:02:46.560where the January 6th pipe bomb situation, you had a bomb device planted 17 hours prior to it being discovered at the exact location where Kamala Harris,
00:02:58.180then the vice president elect arrived at, which meant the Secret Service had to have cased the area.
00:03:03.900The Secret Service was in charge of security of the building and they somehow missed.
00:03:08.320We are to believe a pipe bomb planted at the literal foot of the park bench at the entrance to the building.
00:03:17.860And meanwhile, the FBI has not disclosed a single new video file, even though they have something like 39,000 video files.
00:03:25.880They said in an interview, they've not released a single one to the public since September 2021.
00:05:01.540And I mean, there's so many parallels and it seems like everything that's wrong with this country stems back to the FBI.
00:05:07.040I mean, they have their hands in everything.
00:05:09.340Some of the parallels you mentioned, the bomb was planted the day before in this.
00:05:13.600We're here reporting now from the Beaver County police counter sniper station.
00:05:17.280That was out stationed outside the the the event that they saw this gunman walk into the facility hours before the the attempted assassination.
00:05:26.900He walked in hours before with a range finder.
00:05:29.280Now, why would you walk in there with a range finder?
00:05:50.660His parents called into the local police and said that he had been missing that day.
00:05:55.540Now you couple that with with these reports.
00:05:57.820Now you're hearing, obviously, we're not getting anything from his social media and the cell phones and all that stuff.
00:06:02.440But we are hearing from some of his former classmates and you're hearing a similar profile of one that you hear from people who commit these acts.
00:06:11.040He was bullied in high school, unfortunately.
00:06:14.620You know, his nickname was the school shooter.
00:06:17.940I mean, you have all these red flags and you have his parents sitting at home knowing that this kid is probably troubled.
00:06:24.300You know, they can't be immune to the fact that, you know, what he went through or what he was dealing with.
00:06:30.140And knowing that this kid is possibly a threat, you have all this coupled together.
00:06:54.580They had a federal informant actually fly people around the country in order to coordinate it.
00:07:00.380They had federal agents attempting to sell everyone pipe bombs and even teach them how to make the pipe bombs.
00:07:07.620You had the the case in 2017 with the with the member of the three percenters.
00:07:14.100And it turned out that that person was radicalized by a federal agent.
00:07:17.820You had the Buffalo shooter, the so-called MAGA Buffalo shooter two years ago who was in a six person group chat.
00:07:24.480And one of them was a retired FBI agent.
00:07:27.140You have I mean, this this goes back forever.
00:07:30.580I mean, you can read a book called The Terror Factory by Trevor Aronson, which is, you know,
00:07:35.040the FBI basically ginning up domestic terror plots, including the one in Garland, Texas, where where there was an entire criminal trial for attempted murder.
00:07:44.920And it didn't come out until four and a half years after the trial that the FBI had an informant becoming that person's best friend and texting him to, quote, tear up Texas.
00:07:55.960And it didn't come out until after the murder trial again, years later, only because the defense attorney had a sympathetic insider at the Arizona field office of the FBI that it turned out the FBI actually was trailing the the the the man who attempted to commit the ISIS style terror attack in a car behind him on the way to the event.
00:08:16.780Now, it seems likely to me, or at least possible.
00:08:21.280Now, I'd say it's possible for, you know, certainly.
00:08:24.460But the longer this goes on, where there's no social media, there's no communications, there's nothing pulled from the cell phones, this total black box combined with the Secret Service malfeasance, which, by the way, is exactly what happened with January 6th.
00:08:37.800The Secret Service wiped all of their phones so that no one could see what they were talking about or what foreknowledge they had or what parts of the area they were investigating or what threats they were responding to around the pipe bomb at the at the exact location of the of the VIP they were protecting, Kamala Harris.
00:08:56.900And so, you know, to me, I don't even think of it through the lens of how could the FBI miss it.
00:09:03.460It's it's we need a totally alternative means of federal law enforcement and investigation in this country.
00:09:12.200There is a big problem, a big straight of Gibraltar, if you will, at our Justice Department through which all ships must pass.
00:09:19.400That is clogging up the ability for the American people to understand the crimes of the national security state.
00:09:24.840And the FBI is where evidence goes to die.
00:09:28.540I don't think the FBI necessarily orchestrates all this, but I think that rogue cells essentially have insiders at the FBI who can be trusted to kill investigations that implicate others on the outside.
00:09:43.560They're not necessarily the taskmasters of it all.
00:09:46.980But if the Pentagon wants to do something, if USAID wants to do something, if political insiders want to do something, the CIA has plausible deniability.
00:09:54.160And so you give it to them, even though it wasn't necessarily the CIA's idea.
00:09:57.440And here, you know, basically what we really need to end in this country is this concept of a so-called ongoing investigation.
00:10:03.520Right. Which is this idea that the FBI can take 100 years to finish their investigation.
00:10:08.800And the American people are boxed out the whole time.
00:10:26.960You look at you had mentioned the pipe bomber.
00:10:30.300I mean, everyone seems to forget about Seth Rich, the DNC staffer who was shot in the back of his head and what they called, I guess, attempted robbery.
00:10:49.420And when we come back, I want to take that up.
00:10:51.140If, you know, if they had any role in this, if the CIA, the NSC were getting reports now that the NSC alerted Secret Service hours before that rally,
00:11:00.180that there was an Iranian assassination attempt planned for President Trump.
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00:13:13.640And it's useful to keep in mind that DHS played a strange role in the cover-up of the Seth Rich situation.
00:13:21.040DHS put out a white paper in September 2018 called A Whole-of-Society Response to Disinformation.
00:13:29.260And in that white paper, they laid out the necessity of censoring conspiracy theories online about the death of Seth Rich.
00:13:37.060And even said internally, then in this white paper, that basically conspiracy theories online about Seth Rich and who might have killed him and whether it was an inside job from the DNC or political insiders, that that redounded to the benefit of Russia and that Russian news channels were talking about the Seth Rich murder.
00:13:57.560And so, therefore, you could censor all U.S. domestic speech about Seth Rich under the predicate that it was advantageous to the Russians and, therefore, indirectly part of a Russian disinformation campaign.
00:14:11.100They love this predicate because this is what allows them to crack open the Department of Dirty Tricks that comes from DHS, DOD, CIA, NSC,
00:14:22.280are foreign-facing dirty tricks powers that allow us to overthrow foreign governments or rig foreign media ecosystems.
00:14:30.020And when you have a foreign predicate, oh, it's the Russians, it's the Chinese, it's the Iranians, that gives carte blanche essentially for those big boys to come in and do dirty work.
00:14:40.760And here we're now hearing that, you know, frankly, I don't believe for half a millisecond, you know, that the Iranians have one flying fig to do with what happened on J-13 here with the shooting of Donald Trump and the murder, the murder of Corey Compertory.
00:14:58.760So, but, you know, this is something they tried before.
00:15:03.000Ahead of January 6th, they tried to say that the Proud Boys were being backed by Iran.
00:15:07.360And I think that this is very deliberate with the messaging here.
00:15:10.820I think what they try to do is they see that a lot of Republican, you know, establishment figures are very hostile to Iran.
00:15:18.980They're not necessarily going to buy, you know, the Russian, the Russian disinfo gamut, but they're trying to basically placate portions of the right.
00:15:28.340And if they can essentially send them down a primrose path about a hostile foreign nation that they are genuinely hostile to, such as Iran, that that that gives a kind of political point to that faction of the GOP to sort of blame Iran for what happened instead of blaming the FBI and DHS.
00:15:47.320And I should note, again, one of the scandals with the fact that we don't have the social media accounts, we don't have any of the cell phone data, we don't have the communications.
00:15:58.340The FBI declared the night the shooting happened that this was a lone gunman with no wider conspiracy.
00:16:04.320They made their conclusion of the investigation before they even started the investigation.
00:16:09.320No one, no one has the godlike prophecy power to do that.
00:16:16.060But that's now the official story before there's even been an official investigation.
00:16:20.320Now, what happens if there was an FBI informant or agent or DHS informant or agent or JTTF Joint Terrorism Task Force informant or agent who was talking to this individual, who was radicalizing this individual, who was teaching this individual how to make pipe bombs.
00:16:41.020We're hearing rumors of potential explosives, who was teaching this, you know, advocating this person, you know, to go train at guns.
00:16:48.320We've seen the FBI and DHS do this 2000 times before.
00:16:52.400And the fact that they are dragging this out as the, you know, tick, you know, ticking down date to Election Day happens, it seems very clear to me the longer this goes on, that the reason they're not they're not turning those over.
00:17:04.780And I shouldn't say very clear to me, but it seems like at this point, a very significant likelihood that the reason they're not disclosing the wider network of online and digital communications that this person has is because there was somebody involved that they don't want us to know about.
00:17:22.400They were at this shooter's house for four hours before they even told the public his name.
00:17:27.720When you are at that person's house, you have the router that they use, which means you have the IP address, which means the FBI knows every Google search, every every single thing that that the would be assassin of Donald Trump and the murder of Corey Compertori.
00:17:45.460knew every communication, every email he's ever sent, every search, how do you make a pipe bomb, what are the nearby training, that entire chronology can be pieced together simply from the IP address, which they have.
00:18:01.680And the fact that they are putting a black box, an effective black hole over the entire investigation of, frankly, one of the most scandalous events in American history, suggests there's something about that they don't want us to know.
00:18:20.200Are you erring on the side of that they had full on involvement or that they're involved in a cover up, you know, to cover their own rear ends that, you know, they missed this?
00:18:30.740Well, there's obviously a cover up, but in terms of the direct involvement, I'm, you know, this is still the week that it happened.
00:18:39.840I'm going to, you know, evolve my opinions as evidence comes forward.
00:18:45.180And that evidence appears to be coming from weird outside sources rather than the FBI and DHS itself.
00:18:51.740I mean, I think it's frankly telling that we have more information from BlackRock about the shooter than we have about the so-called Federal Bureau of Investigations.
00:19:00.660You know, it's sort of interesting to see the blame game now it's started, you know, between local officials and the Secret Service.
00:19:07.840And I guess eventually the FBI will, you know, start pointing fingers as more evidence comes out to show that maybe they, you know, had some involvement.
00:19:15.380Maybe they knew what was going on, what this man was thinking.
00:19:18.260Or as you suggested, maybe we're working to radicalize this man.
00:19:22.300But you have the Secret Service director conveniently going on CNN this week, first putting the blame on the local, the county police.
00:19:29.940But now she's saying that they didn't have any agents on that roof because the slope was too dangerous.
00:19:36.860I mean, this is stuff, you know, that you couldn't make up for a Hollywood scripted play or a movie.
00:19:44.820The slope on the roof, you look at the pictures of the roof that the other, you know, gentlemen were on, and it was far more sloped than that.
00:19:52.840You know, I don't know where they found this woman.
00:20:15.500Kim Cheadle, the Secret Service director, also defended the Secret Service, deleting the Secret Service text messages about the January 6th pipe bomb.
00:20:27.340The, you know, she should be, you know, in any sane world, she'd be fired for that statement alone,
00:20:32.460that they wouldn't have people on the roof because it's effectively flat with the most minor incline that even a baby could circumnavigate.
00:20:43.040But, you know, this is, I mean, it looks like a cover-up.
00:20:47.500I mean, and the fact that the Secret Service deleted all the evidence with January 6th for a pipe bomb in their jurisdiction on the front leg of a park bench to the entrance of the building.
00:20:59.360And then when they were interrogated about it, because it took an entire year for the public to learn that Kamala Harris was at the DNC building that day,
00:21:08.620the Justice Department lied and actually said in prosecutorial indictments that Kamala Harris was in the Capitol building.
00:21:16.760It took an entire year for it to come out that actually the Secret Service and Kamala Harris were at the pipe bomb location.
00:21:24.580And then when Jim Jordan launched an investigation on that and requested the cell phone data, they purged it.
00:21:34.000You know, the thing that's most mind-boggling to me, it's like the FBI doesn't have enough real crime to fight in America that they've got to manufacture.
00:21:42.460I mean, it's the craziest thing in the world.
00:21:44.820We're talking with Mike Benz, he's the executive director of the Foundation for Freedom Online.
00:21:48.920When we return, we're going to take up a few things.
00:21:50.560Trump tapping J.D. Vance as vice president, you know, what that means for the party.
00:21:55.200Joe Biden wants to reform the Supreme Court.
00:21:57.760It only took him a few days after this assassination attempt to get right back on his bandwagon.
00:22:02.480And Facebook is allowing Donald Trump to go back on Facebook and Instagram.
00:22:06.620We're going to take all that up when we return.
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00:22:57.000And what does he mean for, you know, freedom online as we go forward here?
00:23:03.360I think Trump has great instincts, and I trust his instincts in this case.
00:23:08.780I think J.D. Vance has taken many bold positions that have earned him the ire of the neoconservative establishment in the GOP, which I think is, you know, bravery is probably the most important trait you can have as a politician in the current era.
00:23:24.120The fact that J.D. Vance has been hostile to the funding of endless war in Ukraine and against Russia has earned him the ire of Mitt Romney, who I think came out and said there's no one he is more content or disrespect for than J.D. Vance.
00:23:39.580I would say even more than an endorsement from the president, a condemnation from Mitt Romney is probably, you know, probably the single best badge of honor you can have as a politician in the modern era.
00:23:52.340So, you know, the fact is, is, you know, there is this this history and backstory of J.D. Vance voting for Evan McMullin, the CIA agent who was put up by the neocons in 2016, put up by Bill Kristol.
00:24:05.800You know, you know, you had this this condemnation of Trump by by Vance in the early years.
00:24:13.160But many people, I think, were, you know, fell victim to the kind of clockwork orange tonality and fake news of mainstream media and became disenchanted with that and ultimately move closer to the truth and frankly closer to Trump because of that.
00:24:30.620So I trust the president's judgment here. Vance, I I'm told by by sources I trust, has his heart in the right place and has come a long way in the past several years.
00:24:45.220And again, the fact that he has that he has staked out these bold positions is is quite a refreshing change from the role of vice presidents, frankly, for the past 20 years in being a kind of buffering containment zone for the blob to have a backdoor into White House decision making.
00:25:06.460The fact is, is Mike Pence was a blob creature. He was very much belonged to that warmonger and military and and, you know, GOP kind of, you know, Reince Priebus establishment GOP class.
00:25:22.200And there were many things run through the Pence side of the White House that I think were were hostile to the president's agenda.
00:25:29.720I think that Joe Biden, frankly, played a similar role in the Barack Obama presidency, you know, as the former 40 year dominating force over the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and the guy who effectively ran most portions of most critical foreign policy decisions for the Obama administration.
00:25:45.020I think Biden was the blobs guy inside the Obama presidency.
00:25:49.700And I think that you could have seen something happen similar here where were Doug Burgum or or someone else, you know, chosen as as Trump's VP pick.
00:26:01.540And I think J.D. Vance sort of sits in that spectrum between the sort of the vague type and the Doug Burgum type Burgum type.
00:26:09.980And I think that that's strong. Elon Musk called it assassination insurance.
00:26:13.820And while that's a dark framing, you can't help but but suspect that it's it's true.
00:26:20.120Yeah. You know, it's it's truly interesting.
00:26:23.140And I think the only thing we can do is pray to God, as we've had to do, I think, every day for the last three and a half years as Joe Biden is present, that J.D. Vance does work out.
00:26:31.540Joe Biden, I mean, it only took him a few days to get back to his hateful rhetoric after, you know, promising he was going to tone down the rhetoric of the mainstream media.
00:26:38.800They had to take off mourning Joe, Joe Scarborough and Mika on that Monday after the shooting because they were scared of what these psychopaths would say.
00:26:46.540I mean, it's truly insane. But Joe Biden back to work or his regime back to work, I should say.
00:26:52.620In the coming weeks, apparently they're looking to propose sweeping changes to the Supreme Court, which would propose term limits and an ethics code, whatever that means.
00:27:02.320Although it's nearly unlikely that it will happen because a constitutional amendment would be near impossible.
00:27:09.320Why are the Democrats always trying to I mean, they're the epitome of moving the goalpost, taking the ball home, you know, when they're upset.
00:27:17.360What is wrong with these people? I mean, what goes through their head in this last I guess we'll call it since 2016, since since Trump derangement system came out?
00:27:26.580What has gone through these people's heads that they're just so adamant on changing the rules of the game?
00:27:32.320Well, it's power over principles, right? I mean, their only principle is staying in power.
00:27:37.960Now, I don't generally speaking, have a problem with reforms to the process, especially when you believe institutions are corrupt.
00:27:46.820I mean, that's frankly what I propose every day when it comes to reforming the rules of the road for the Justice Department, the FBI, DHS.
00:27:54.840But in this case, you know, what they're operating on is is total bogus and this idea that they simply just didn't like the way certain decisions came down this year.
00:28:04.780If if if the Supreme Court had simply ruled the other way on four or five decisions, they wouldn't be doing this at all.
00:28:11.300And, you know, what they've what they've cooked up around around Clarence Thomas and Scalia, you know, this idea that because there was a flag flown at his home,
00:28:25.860that it was the same flag that it was the same flag that flies in many of the Capitol buildings of U.S. states, a symbol many Americans had never even seen before.
00:28:35.980But they tried to make it into a January six symbol, you know, and then they try to use these sort of financial ethics complaints around Clarence Thomas.
00:28:45.040I mean, notice how it's only against their their adversaries.
00:28:49.220I mean, it's the whole thing is is so shallow. There's not there's no basis to it whatsoever.
00:28:54.680And it should be. And I believe it probably will be crushed.
00:28:58.740You know, if the shoe is on the other foot, you'd hear the Republicans whine about it, send a strongly worded letter.
00:29:03.380And then it would, you know, all go away in a week. Before we wrap up here, I know you've got to run and we appreciate you taking the time.
00:29:08.180And Facebook announcing this week they're going to roll back restrictions on President Trump's account the first time since January 6th of 2021.
00:29:16.240Meta put out a statement saying, quote, in assessing our responsibility to allow political expression,
00:29:21.440we believe that the American people should be able to hear from the nominees for president on the same basis.
00:29:27.120Why now? Why just now a few months out? Have they changed their position?
00:29:31.640Because they're cowards because they're cowards.
00:29:33.980They they think Trump might win now and they want to butter up.
00:29:37.520They want to make it look, you know, while there's still time to do it before, you know, the election itself happens.
00:29:44.440They want to try to have a couple months of coasting to say, oh, we're we're on your side now, buddy boy.
00:29:50.700I mean, this is the same thing Google did at the TGIF meeting the day after the 2016 election,
00:29:55.660when there was a question to the Google C-suite on stage about whether or not, you know,
00:30:01.620the Google was going to boycott funding the Republican Party because Donald Trump just won the night before.
00:30:08.540And the Google C-suite came up, came up to the, you know, responded and said, actually, we're going to do more lobbying than ever.
00:30:17.600We're going to we need to have a seat at the table.
00:30:23.880You know, frankly, I'd like to believe that Facebook is doing this because of hostilities from the Biden administration.
00:30:31.260We saw that come out in the so-called Facebook files that Jim Jordan subpoenaed from the weaponization committee,
00:30:37.500where it was clear that the C-suite of Facebook was terrified of the Biden administration.
00:30:44.500They internal internally in their own emails, they said they only changed their censorship policies because of intense pressure from the Biden administration and that they did it.
00:30:54.080They tried to find creative ways to be responsive to the censorship requests because they had bigger fish to fry on multiple policy fronts with the Biden administration,
00:31:02.780meaning that the Biden administration was withholding favors for them, protecting them against foreign governments, that that protection would fall away unless Facebook did what they wanted.
00:31:14.400And I don't think that Trump would would be as scorched earth in his in his diplomacy with big tech.
00:31:20.340Trump famously called MAGA, Microsoft, Apple, Google and Amazon.
00:31:23.960But but but but, you know, the fact is, is I think that the timing of it means that they like like certain other world leaders are resigned to the very real possibility Trump may win in November.
00:31:36.300And and just as they feared President Biden and wanted to do favors to not be on his bad side, they are only sort of turning over on their bellies because they're fundamentally cowards.
00:31:47.540Right. And it seems they're trying to fall in line with what Elon Musk has done.
00:31:50.900I mean, Elon's been ahead of the curve along the whole entire way.
00:31:54.600I mean, a great man now endorsing President Trump.
00:31:56.980He got some pushback from Gavin Newsom.
00:32:00.140Gavin Newsom retweeted a an old quote from President Trump saying when Elon went to the White House, he was on his hands and knees begging.
00:32:07.380He would have been on his hands and knees begging for subsidies.
00:32:10.960Gavin Newsom tweeting out, you bent the knee to Elon Musk and Elon brilliantly tweeting back.
00:32:28.640I should note, you know, he he's he's disputed that Wall Street Journal report.
00:32:33.080He posted a meme of a of of, you know, new of the animal, you know, a new in in a in a guy in a new suit and called that fake news.
00:32:43.460So I don't I don't know that that's that that's actually accurate on the forty five million front.
00:32:48.220But I do want to just to make one quick point about Facebook to say that if there's no reason that Trump should have had any hindrances on his account for the past three years, there's there's no reason whatsoever.
00:33:01.200And it's it's it's it's total insanity.
00:33:03.240They were wrong to de-platform him on January 8th, twenty twenty one.
00:33:08.520They were wrong to keep him off for years.
00:33:36.760Thanks, everybody, for joining us today.
00:33:38.240And thanks to Mike Benz for all the great work he's been doing to expose the corruption among these government agencies and these government gangsters.
00:33:45.600Be sure to join us the rest of this week for The Great America Show.