The Great America Show - June 07, 2024


HUNTER TAKES THE STAND TODAY

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judge presiding over gun trial
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Lou Dobbs John Fawcett
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Hunter Biden Garrett Ziegler Joey Abby Lowell Jill Biden Hallie Biden Melissa Jim Biden Marco Polo Frank's Speech, Rumble, Roku Peter McCullough Elise Stefanik Donald Palmer Miranda Devine Byron Donalds Marco Rubio Drew Pinsky David Weiss Ben Bergquam Tom Cotton and 14 more
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Hunter Biden is on trial in California facing 15 counts, including conspiracy to commit perjury, conspiracy to obstruct justice, and conspiracy to falsely file false tax returns. Biden's defense team has rested its case, and now it's time for the prosecution to take the stand. On the stand today is Biden's own daughter and former lover, Hallie Biden, former lover of Hunter, and former wife, widow of Beau.

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00:00:33.700 Hello, everybody. Welcome to The Great America Show. Good to have you with us.
00:00:38.260 The hunt for a Republican vice president candidate is now underway.
00:00:42.220 We're just over a month out from the RNC convention, and the Trump team has reportedly started their vetting process for a vice president.
00:00:52.460 And among the contenders, Florida Senator Marco Rubio and former North Dakota Governor Ben Burgum,
00:01:01.140 South Carolina Senator Tim Scott, and Arkansas Senator Tom Cotton, and also, well, Senator J.D. Vance.
00:01:11.000 And Congresswoman Elise Stefanik, and the list goes on.
00:01:16.780 Florida Congressman Byron Donalds, you would think it would be a shorter list by this time, but no luck.
00:01:23.300 And former secretary of the Department of Housing and Urban Development, Dr. Ben Carson, and I've got three favorites among all of those.
00:01:32.140 The Trump team says the list may grow, and there is no short list at this time.
00:01:36.140 Our guest today is Garrett Ziegler.
00:01:39.060 Garrett is the founder of the 501c3 Marco Polo, the opposition research group for the American people.
00:01:47.140 Marco Polo has put out a 640-page report on the Hunter Biden laptop for all Americans to read about the Biden family corruption.
00:01:58.420 Garrett has been in the courtroom every day for the Hunter Biden trial, and he joins us now to take all of that up.
00:02:05.860 Here is Garrett Ziegler, and Garrett, great of you to take time to join us.
00:02:10.500 Thank you very much.
00:02:10.840 You're following this trial.
00:02:12.820 You're all over it.
00:02:14.660 Give us your sense of where we are as we approach the end of the week.
00:02:19.800 So tomorrow, the defense will have their limited case.
00:02:24.000 The president's brother is expected to be called as a witness, Jimmy Biden.
00:02:27.660 It's an incredible cornucopia of human depravity this week.
00:02:33.760 Joe is the patriarch of a family of drunks and drug addicts, and today on the stand was Hallie Biden, the president's daughter-in-law, former lover of Hunter and former wife slash widow of Beau, his favorite son.
00:02:49.040 And it's been three days of Abby Lowell just trying to confuse the jury.
00:02:55.640 He's a master sophist.
00:02:58.040 And so Hunter's attorney, Abby Lowell, has been trying to basically throw any spike strip he can on the road to just sort of confuse the jury.
00:03:08.840 It's a very clear-cut felony.
00:03:10.620 He lied on the form.
00:03:11.520 And he's expecting and hoping that one person lie in jury selection and they get a hung jury.
00:03:17.780 That's the most they can hope for right now.
00:03:19.540 I very, very much think that it's not going to be a not guilty verdict.
00:03:23.900 I just don't know if there's going to be one or two holdouts.
00:03:26.560 But that's going to be coming on Monday, the deliberation probably.
00:03:30.280 So as you've watched this trial, has anything about it surprised you, or is it comporting to what your expectations were and your sense of these people, this, I will call them a tragic family, tragic for America, certainly.
00:03:50.460 The only thing that has been a little bit surprising is that they have Hallie and Kathleen and Zoe, one of the lovers, former lovers, on the stand.
00:04:02.320 I truly didn't think they'd get them on the stand, even with immunity agreements.
00:04:06.280 We've known that this family is degenerate in the superlative for years, and you have as well.
00:04:12.020 We wrote in our dossier, Report on the Biden Laptop, about this gun affair.
00:04:16.480 Quite honestly, the trial in California is much more legitimate in my mind because it's more serious felonies, tax evasion, and false filings and everything else.
00:04:28.720 But this gun trial, ironically, one of the three charges could be reversed on appeal because there's a little bit of a question at the appellate level now, and hopefully it's SCOTUS too, about whether the 922G statute is unconstitutional.
00:04:43.860 Hunter clearly was addicted to crack cocaine during this period, but I think the lying on the form is, from a constitutional standpoint, much more sound when it comes to overturning.
00:04:57.060 It's an irony, though, because Joey not only helped institute the mandatory minimums for the differences between crack and powder cocaine, which his own son abused,
00:05:05.400 but he also was very pivotal in the drug or the gun control fiasco.
00:05:13.520 And, you know, Hallie, the widow, disposed of this .38 Colt revolver in a trash can about less than 1,000 feet from a school. 0.97
00:05:24.640 And Joey was the exact senator in 1994 who instituted and sponsored the legislation that enhanced the felonies for gun violations and gun laws within 1,000 feet of a school.
00:05:40.120 So it's not only the degeneracy.
00:05:42.320 It's the hypocrisy of the family.
00:05:43.980 It's the fact that Hunter's never going to pay his attorneys.
00:05:47.840 Abby Lowell is effectively doing this trial as an in-kind campaign contribution to Joey because his sugar brother, who's also suing me along with Hunter, is tapped out of liquid cash, and even his own family is abandoning him.
00:06:01.800 So I know there's a lot there, but I wanted to get a lot.
00:06:04.020 It's been a whale of a trial, but the level of surprises has been down.
00:06:10.760 But we did post the transcripts today for days two and three.
00:06:14.400 Great.
00:06:14.860 Great.
00:06:15.380 And the judge presiding, tell us about her.
00:06:20.720 She is an interesting, to me, an interesting judge for the Bidens and the Marxist dibs to confront.
00:06:29.820 I very much agree.
00:06:31.180 She hits at their marks of a woman of, you know, she is a, I describe her as a very stern, strict older sister. 0.99
00:06:40.480 Somebody that you maybe wanted to cheat off of in high school.
00:06:44.480 No BS, but very fair.
00:06:48.000 She's been very fair to Abby Lowell.
00:06:49.580 I mean, spending five minutes with Abby Lowell is hard to do, and she's had to spend hours with him, and she hasn't lost her mind, which is Hunter's attorney.
00:06:58.080 So I think she's been very fair, very stern.
00:07:01.380 You know, she just asked basic questions about the scope of the immunity in the plea deal, and all this went haywire last July.
00:07:09.840 So the fact is, is that she was, you know, she was the judge that presided over the failed plea deal, and now she's the judge for this gun trial.
00:07:17.860 And I found her pretty fair, but again, you know, she's given to both parties.
00:07:22.640 I think that she's a little bit of an anomaly in that she's not solidly pro-Biden, but she is, you know, sort of in that, the legal establishment, I would call uniparty in Delaware.
00:07:34.200 She was at the same firm for 25 years.
00:07:36.140 She only practiced civil litigation. 0.99
00:07:37.940 I will say this, there's a difference between judges that presided over criminal trials and civil trials, and for somebody who just did 25 years of straight patent law, I've been pleased with her ability to, you know, rule on objections, and the jury instructions were good.
00:07:52.840 You'd think that she's been doing criminal jury trials for a decade, and she's only been doing them, you know, for four and a half years now. 0.97
00:07:59.140 Well, she had an impressive outing last year.
00:08:03.140 Yes.
00:08:03.500 That was a surprise, a shock, and for a change, a pleasant one.
00:08:09.820 We're talking with Garrett Ziegler, and we're coming right back.
00:08:13.080 You don't want to miss a single word of what Garrett has to say about this trial.
00:08:19.440 We'll be right back.
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00:09:57.280 We're back with Garrett Ziegler who's covering this extraordinary trial.
00:10:02.620 And Garrett, let me go to that outburst from the Biden clan.
00:10:11.540 It looked like they were sort of huddled against you as Melissa said some unkind words.
00:10:19.100 I would put it that way.
00:10:20.400 Yeah, expletives got in my face about six inches away from my face.
00:10:25.640 And again, I never said anything to anyone in the entire courtroom that day.
00:10:31.520 I was a sober observer, one of the 75 people.
00:10:34.400 She sought me out.
00:10:36.380 And the most incredible thing is not the expletives because we already knew they were trashy.
00:10:40.560 The most incredible thing she said to me is that I didn't have a right to be at the trial.
00:10:44.980 You know, she's from a remote village in South Africa.
00:10:46.980 So I may have to explain to her, for the record, that here in America, normal citizens, federal taxpayers, can observe criminal proceedings.
00:10:55.200 And no matter if Joey's family likes you or not. 0.97
00:10:58.880 So I would have rather had her just say, I hate you, F you, rather than make this ridiculous statement that I am not able to observe her husband's criminal trial of every right that she does. 0.99
00:11:10.780 These people are so warped in their brain and they're in their in their Soviet ways that anybody who opposes them is a Nazi. 1.00
00:11:17.880 It's totally ridiculous. 1.00
00:11:19.260 I'm not a Nazi. 0.96
00:11:20.180 I'm a lover of the U.S. Constitution.
00:11:21.620 I'm actually a kind, sober guy.
00:11:24.420 And the way that they have treated me is horrendous, horrendous.
00:11:29.040 And the fact of the matter is, I've never said anything about Melissa.
00:11:31.740 She said I called her slurs.
00:11:33.440 She's in a one page of our report.
00:11:35.040 That's what's funny.
00:11:35.620 I said, Hunter, you're getting emasculated by your wife. 1.00
00:11:38.680 Your five foot one petite wife is fighting your enemies for you. 1.00
00:11:42.120 That's emasculating.
00:11:43.160 If my wife did that, I'd be mad at her. 1.00
00:11:47.820 Well, it's it's quite a bizarre gathering there.
00:11:51.620 And to see to see them all arrayed, Dr. Jill.
00:11:58.420 I love that.
00:11:59.020 Dr. Jill.
00:12:00.120 Suddenly we have to have a doctor for someone who doesn't even have a Ph.D. or a letter of.
00:12:09.880 Yeah.
00:12:10.480 That Ph.D. is in our report.
00:12:12.160 You'd rather give yourself a lobotomy than read that thing.
00:12:14.740 It is it is a good, a good paper for a 10th grader, let alone a Ph.D. 0.93
00:12:21.240 Her Ph.D. is in hogwash.
00:12:23.340 It is it is fascinating.
00:12:25.100 And, you know, the whole family's there.
00:12:27.200 Valerie, Jill, Ashley, the one who took inappropriate showers with her father, according to her, not me.
00:12:33.140 And the whole family's there.
00:12:34.520 And, you know, what is incredible, too, is they are making reactions to the jury and to the prosecutors while the proceedings are ongoing.
00:12:42.920 So I don't know if Noreka has seen this, but based like when the prosecutor held the physical laptop up and admitted it as evidence, Melissa and Jill were shaking their heads.
00:12:54.560 This is not normal behavior.
00:12:56.940 Anybody, you know, with a triple digit IQ would tell you that when you're in the courthouse, you want to be stoic.
00:13:03.800 You don't want to offer any emotions, especially if you're the defendant.
00:13:06.480 You want nothing to, you know, to to to reflect poorly on you.
00:13:12.520 Not even the spectators are shaking their heads.
00:13:15.560 So this family's never been challenged in this way.
00:13:18.020 I think that's why they're so mad at me is that we've just been staying on this story.
00:13:21.880 It's an amazing beat for us because there's so much material.
00:13:24.600 Right.
00:13:24.860 And I think the only other reason why we care about it so much is because Joe hasn't acknowledged Hunter's behavior.
00:13:33.100 It's one thing if Joe would say, you know what, every every family has a black sheep.
00:13:37.400 I love him.
00:13:38.300 He's going to be out in the cabin in Montana and he's going to be fine.
00:13:41.000 He's going to do his doodles.
00:13:42.380 He didn't say that.
00:13:43.700 Joe said this is the smartest man he knows from a pure intellectual capacity.
00:13:47.360 So shouldn't everyone want to know who the smartest man the U.S. president knows?
00:13:51.480 And that drives our obsession.
00:13:52.800 Yeah, well, I, I, I, I, a worthy, a worthy obsession.
00:13:57.880 Uh, the, the very idea that the news hasn't mentioned, uh, this business about Joe showering with his daughter, highly inappropriate, no matter.
00:14:08.660 And I would say.
00:14:09.760 Yes.
00:14:11.160 Awful.
00:14:11.800 Uh, there's a special protection for this man and for his family.
00:14:17.920 Uh, it comes, it's, it manifests with the secret service, which goes to extraordinary links to protect him, uh, unprecedented, extraordinary links.
00:14:28.000 Uh, it goes to, uh, the party itself and the Obama acolytes who people his white house.
00:14:35.500 Uh, it's, it's, I've never seen anything like it, uh, in the white house. 0.91
00:14:40.640 Uh, I haven't seen anything like it in politics before.
00:14:44.280 Well, you make a great point about the secret service because you know, what's not coming up at the trial.
00:14:49.160 The two SS officers who tried to, who visited the gun shop and tried to shake down the owner, Ronald Palomir, who's a witness in the case and try to make him give him the ATF form.
00:15:00.760 Cause in, they were off duty officers and Joey lost protection by statute in July of 2017.
00:15:06.820 And this gun affair went down in October, 2018.
00:15:09.220 That's how, you know, David Weiss and his crew are only doing a limited hangout.
00:15:14.280 They want to charge Hunter and convict Hunter on conduct that doesn't explicitly touch on Joe.
00:15:20.320 But this gun episode is incredible because the ATF has the right to go into any federal, you know, firearms licensee and demand to see the 4473 form.
00:15:30.080 Which is at the center of this case that Hunter made two false statements about.
00:15:34.160 But the secret service does not.
00:15:36.120 And at that time, I get goosebumps just talking about it.
00:15:39.520 At that time, Joe wasn't a protectee, let alone his decrepit son.
00:15:44.080 So I want to know the names of those two secret service agents.
00:15:47.560 And that has not come up at the trial.
00:15:49.440 And the secret service to this day responded in a lawsuit and to the press saying we have no record of this.
00:15:55.400 Well, guess what?
00:15:56.140 It was off-duty officers still active trying to do cleanup for Hunter.
00:16:01.960 Amazing.
00:16:02.900 And we're going to be right back.
00:16:05.240 Garrett Ziegler, we're talking about a trial that is one for the record books.
00:16:12.420 We'll be right back.
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00:16:44.400 We're back with Garrett Ziegler.
00:16:50.800 And here we go.
00:16:53.220 A fascinating week in this trial.
00:16:56.480 And give us your judgment.
00:16:59.240 How does this end?
00:17:00.400 Because, bizarrely, we have a prosecutor who was the principal protection and defender of one, the Biden mystique, once again, in the person of Joe Biden, Jill Biden, and the whole family arrayed in that courtroom to protect one fella, Hunter Biden.
00:17:24.540 Exactly.
00:17:24.940 I look at it as a gradation, like a ladder of evil.
00:17:29.000 And what they were trying to do last July is the most evil thing, which is let him get off with a couple misdemeanors and no jail time.
00:17:36.960 And that caused such a public outcry that Weiss went into self-protection mode.
00:17:42.360 And then he surveyed the Thanksgiving buffet of criminal activity and said, hmm, what can I charge Hunter with that doesn't touch on Joe?
00:17:52.100 Because that's what this is.
00:17:53.240 You know, the only connection to Joe we have in the trial is that Hunter drove his Cadillac CTS to the gun shop to illegally purchase the gun.
00:18:00.900 And I think that's hilarious.
00:18:02.520 And Joe knew about all this when it was going on, by the way.
00:18:05.760 And, you know, I think that there's a real chance there could be a hung jury, not because the prosecution hasn't proven it beyond a reasonable doubt.
00:18:15.120 It's because that town is incestuous. 1.00
00:18:19.920 This is not like DJT where it's 95 to 5.
00:18:22.680 You know, one of the jurors is a former Secret Service employee, and her husband is a former agent of the Secret Service.
00:18:30.740 So it's incredible who they got in a random jury pool.
00:18:35.700 I was there on Monday.
00:18:37.200 Monday was the most uneventful day, but it was the jury selection day.
00:18:41.280 You know, we heard from, just to recap, we heard from Hunter's ex-wife.
00:18:45.960 We heard from one of his ex-girlfriends.
00:18:47.720 We heard from another ex-girlfriend, also his brother's widow today.
00:18:50.580 And they, the stuff they described, that's why we posted the transcripts, the stuff they described was the, imagine if Caligula's son left a laptop at a Roman repair shop.
00:19:02.100 That is the type of content on this device, not just the sex and drugs, but the business crimes, which the one in California, which I'll also be on, which I hope that I'll be able to get on your program one time to talk about the California trial in September.
00:19:16.360 It righteously got moved back.
00:19:18.200 It's a much more complex trial.
00:19:19.420 There's nine counts, three felonies.
00:19:22.320 And I'll be at that in September.
00:19:24.140 You know, Hunter, Lou, is actually suing us in the same district he was criminally indicted in.
00:19:28.860 Hunter's suing us in the Central District of California for the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act.
00:19:33.960 Mostly he's just mad that we have fortitude and made these email and photo databases.
00:19:39.280 But I'll be at that one.
00:19:40.640 And I think Leo Wise will finally maybe scratch a little bit more of the most important criminal activity, which is not Hunter illegally owning a gun, although that is degenerate and hypocritical considering Joey's stances.
00:19:53.760 But the fact that they ran a far-violating scheme for over a decade and laundered millions and millions of dollars.
00:20:02.620 And that's not just speculation.
00:20:04.080 Uncle Jimmy was involved.
00:20:05.900 Joe was the chairman.
00:20:06.940 And, you know, I'm here at this trial for a couple of principal reasons.
00:20:11.920 Number one, first time the son of the U.S., any child of the U.S. president is at a criminal trial.
00:20:17.580 And second of all, just to expose the smartest man the U.S. president knows.
00:20:22.900 And again, he hasn't renounced those words.
00:20:24.700 So until he renounces the words, I'm going to repeat that with sobriety.
00:20:28.180 The U.S. president still believes this is the smartest man he knows from a pure intellectual capacity who has dealers named Mookie.
00:20:35.760 Amazing.
00:20:37.220 So as we look toward the next day and the conclusion, what do you think we – where does it all land?
00:20:49.940 I think that the defense will start their case about 2 p.m. tomorrow.
00:20:55.340 And Hunter probably will take the stand.
00:20:58.180 I think that he won't take the stand in California because the evidence is much more important and much more damning, in my opinion, meaning the number of charges in Delaware.
00:21:06.800 The most important reason I think he'll take the stand in Delaware as opposed to California is because this is his backyard.
00:21:12.240 I mean, Joey was not only the senator from MB&A Bank, but he was a senator from Delaware for 36 years.
00:21:18.140 And, you know, Miranda Devine had a good jingle today. 0.81
00:21:22.760 She called him the crown prince of Delaware instead of Belair.
00:21:26.320 But – so I think that people will know him on – you know, maybe some people in L.A. don't know Hunter Biden, even though he's the smartest man the U.S. president knows.
00:21:34.800 In Delaware, they will.
00:21:36.200 And so I think you're going to see Hunter – to answer your question directly – Hunter take the stand mid-morning Monday, and they'll start deliberations late Monday and will probably have a verdict by Tuesday.
00:21:45.780 I predict a guilty verdict, 70 to 30, but I think there's a 30 percent chance there'll be a hung jury.
00:21:52.340 I will be shocked if it is not guilty because it's such a cut-and-dry case.
00:21:56.220 I mean, you have text messages from him saying, I'm laying on a car at the corner of 4th and Rodney smoking crack.
00:22:04.780 And you had three witnesses.
00:22:06.440 And these aren't just spurned lovers, right?
00:22:08.840 These are people who have no interest in Hunter right now.
00:22:14.300 You know, Hallie just got remarried. 0.99
00:22:16.400 There's nobody with an ax to grind.
00:22:18.020 Sure, he owes Kathleen $3 million in alimony, but she didn't get an immunity agreement.
00:22:22.340 So every sophistry tactic that Lowell has tried – confusion, just asking that on cross-examination Lowell asks 500 questions – I don't think it'll stick.
00:22:33.120 Well, that's going to be fascinating, and we appreciate you taking the time to be with us and to share your perspective on all of this.
00:22:43.180 Garrett Ziegler, thanks so much.
00:22:45.420 I look forward to talking to you soon.
00:22:47.860 Thank you.
00:22:48.480 Thanks, everybody, for being with us today.
00:22:50.180 Be sure to join us tomorrow for the Great America Saturday Show, and be sure to join us tonight for Lou Dobbs tonight, 7 p.m. Eastern, 6 Central, on Frank's Speech, Rumble, Roku, and X.
00:23:02.160 Thanks, everybody.
00:23:03.480 God bless you, and may God bless America.