The Great America Show - April 16, 2024


MARCH TOWARD GLOBAL CONFLICT

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Lou Dobbs John Fawcett
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Joe Biden Gordon Chang Ron Paul Peter McCullough Vladimir Putin Border Patrol Mike Johnson Drew Pinsky Xi Jinping Netanyahu Trump
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In the wake of Iran's attack on Israel on October 7th, some are asking whether the United States should have done more to help defend itself. Former Vice President Joe Biden's response to the attack has been widely criticized, and some have suggested that he was actually guiding Iran in part of the attack. In this episode of The Great America Show, we talk to National Security Analyst Gordon Chang about why we should have been prepared to defend ourselves, and why we failed to do so.

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00:00:38.160 Hi, everybody, and welcome to The Great America Show.
00:00:41.540 It's an extraordinary moment in our history,
00:00:44.600 an unprecedented attack against the Israeli nation of firing missiles,
00:00:50.220 ballistic and guided missiles, rockets by the hundreds into Israel.
00:00:56.920 And with an amazing, an amazing result, that is,
00:01:02.100 99% of those ostensibly were intercepted by the United Kingdom,
00:01:08.860 the United States, by Jordan, and the Israelis.
00:01:13.380 And only 1% got through, and that 1% apparently doing no real damage,
00:01:21.240 and there were no casualties that resulted.
00:01:23.960 But nonetheless, it is an unprecedented attack,
00:01:27.880 an attack that Prime Minister Netanyahu and the State of Israel cannot ignore.
00:01:34.620 It's outrageous.
00:01:35.400 And the Iranians started almost immediately trying to explain how this was a conclusive act 0.73
00:01:43.820 and that Israel should not make the mistake of retaliating itself.
00:01:50.160 Preposterous and nonsensical propaganda on the part of the Iranians, 1.00
00:01:54.180 knowing perfectly well what they had done.
00:01:56.480 And it is only by benefit of advanced technology in the hands of those fighter pilots
00:02:04.020 and the commands from the U.K., the U.S., Israel, and Jordan,
00:02:08.800 that there was not more damage, far more damage and injury as a result.
00:02:15.160 So we wait, as we will learn at some point, when Israel decides to retaliate.
00:02:22.340 My own view is that they will.
00:02:24.020 That's why I said when, not if.
00:02:27.240 But this administration is hard to read.
00:02:31.300 It is impossible to explain.
00:02:34.160 And there are now reports that Joe Biden was actually guiding Iran
00:02:39.720 during part of the assault on Israel.
00:02:43.600 These are unconfirmed reports, but nonetheless reports.
00:02:47.020 And given the perverse nature of the Biden regime's policies, foreign and domestic,
00:02:54.720 one has no reason to question those reports, other than journalistic obligation, of course.
00:03:01.020 I am delighted to tell you that we have with us Gordon Chang.
00:03:05.940 I consider him to be foremost among the Asia experts,
00:03:09.760 foremost among the national security experts in this country.
00:03:13.700 And, Gordon, we're delighted to have you with us, and we appreciate your time.
00:03:19.220 Let's very quickly turn to your impression of the performance,
00:03:24.520 not of the Israelis or the U.K. and Jordan,
00:03:28.840 but the performance of the Biden administration itself in the run-up to this moment
00:03:36.480 and his absurd, to me, and inexcusable conduct as the commander-in-chief.
00:03:45.680 The broader context is that the world has fallen apart
00:03:49.280 since the catastrophic withdrawal from Afghanistan in August 2021.
00:03:53.280 We then had the attack of Russia on Ukraine.
00:03:57.600 China and Russia are fueling insurgencies in North Africa that look like wars.
00:04:01.920 And then, of course, the attack on Israel on October 7th
00:04:05.320 and the spreading of that war throughout the Middle East.
00:04:08.380 This is the result of Biden policy.
00:04:10.420 One mistake after another has convinced Xi Jinping, Vladimir Putin,
00:04:15.940 and others that they can take on the United States and the international community.
00:04:20.840 And right now, we have Biden trying to prevent Israel from retaliating
00:04:25.480 from this horrible attack on Saturday.
00:04:28.080 This is absolutely the wrong move.
00:04:30.480 What Biden sort of thinks is that we're still in peacetime
00:04:33.440 and that we can avoid escalation, but we're not.
00:04:36.320 But escalation is a concern during peace, but Israel right now is involved in a total war.
00:04:42.340 It's a war where the other side, Iran, has said it's going to destroy Israel.
00:04:47.280 So we should be helping Israel win.
00:04:49.680 I know that a lot of people think that that might be extreme,
00:04:52.640 but the point is we are now seeing China engage in proxy wars,
00:04:57.040 wage proxy wars on three continents.
00:04:59.360 And if we don't start defending ourselves with the vigor that is necessary,
00:05:03.120 this is going to spread.
00:05:04.340 One other point, Lou.
00:05:06.000 In the late 1930s, there were separate wars around the world.
00:05:09.920 They merged into what we now call World War II.
00:05:13.340 We are seeing the same dynamic today, the almost irresistible momentum to global conflict.
00:05:20.280 I think that that is salient analysis and absolutely one of the most rational conclusions
00:05:29.220 one could extract from what we are witnessing around the globe, as you say.
00:05:35.480 I think that's a terrific point.
00:05:37.560 I also, at this moment in history, truly believe that the United States,
00:05:45.120 and this, as I called it, a perverse regime under Joe Biden. 0.59
00:05:50.020 We know he's a puppet president.
00:05:51.500 He's compromised. 1.00
00:05:52.960 He's cognitively impaired.
00:05:54.720 He is no better. 0.96
00:05:57.480 At most, he is a cardboard cutout, a figurehead, a puppet, but no better than that.
00:06:06.440 Your sense as to who actually is running this country right now, and by that I mean making
00:06:12.380 the national security decisions that mean life and death, war and peace.
00:06:17.240 I wish I knew the answer to that, Lou.
00:06:21.180 You know, I think that as we see in the National Security Council and in the State Department,
00:06:26.920 there are many people who are more loyal to Iran than they are to the United States,
00:06:31.760 and that helps explain inexplicable decisions that Biden nominally made himself.
00:06:38.380 So I think that we have really just not only disloyal elements, but people who are just totally
00:06:44.140 misguided.
00:06:44.760 But, you know, the one thing I know is we are seeing what's happening in the world.
00:06:49.380 And if we contrast that with Biden's predecessor, there was peace for four years.
00:06:54.720 And there were a lot of reasons why the Trump policies worked and the Biden policies didn't.
00:07:00.540 So really, whoever is making those decisions, and I agree with you, it's probably not Biden
00:07:05.220 himself.
00:07:06.200 We see that this is creating the worst of all possible outcomes for us.
00:07:11.400 It is, and for the world itself.
00:07:13.940 We're talking with Gordon Chang.
00:07:15.460 We're going to take a quick break.
00:07:16.940 We're going to come back.
00:07:18.220 And when we do, we're going to take a look.
00:07:20.800 As Gordon put it, we're going to take a larger look at what is happening in the world and why.
00:07:25.940 Because there is much to be considered and to try to reach some understanding of exactly where
00:07:35.800 we're headed militarily, geopolitically, and of course, as a nation unto itself.
00:07:43.160 We're talking with Gordon Chang.
00:07:44.580 We're coming right back.
00:07:45.540 Please stay with us.
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00:09:21.380 We're back now with Gordon Chang, a preeminent expert on Asia national security.
00:09:30.660 And I want to say, Gordon, that as we look around what is happening, this is an administration
00:09:37.960 that has opened up a border 2,000 miles long to the south.
00:09:41.780 We are watching an estimated almost 15 million illegal aliens have come into this country at
00:09:48.900 Biden's invitation since he took the Oval Office.
00:09:54.100 It is a remarkable national security issue.
00:09:57.740 But it is also a national security issue to consider the state of our economy, almost $35 trillion
00:10:04.800 in national debt.
00:10:06.460 We know that the deficit will be somewhere between $1.5 and $2 trillion this year.
00:10:13.100 It was always said our economy was the foundation of our national security.
00:10:18.120 And if that is the case, woe is us.
00:10:21.020 Because from every level, from within and from without, we're under threat.
00:10:26.620 And by the way, when I say within, I'm also talking about the tens of thousands of Chinese
00:10:31.820 nationals, males, military age that have crossed that border and are now in the United States.
00:10:39.420 For what purposes, we do not know, but we have to assume the worst, I believe is true. 0.99
00:10:46.060 And also decamped in northern Mexico, tens of thousands more of those Chinese nationals.
00:10:54.300 Give us your sense of what you suspect these fifth columns that are rising up right now within
00:11:00.600 the United States, whether they're the Chinese nationals, whether they are from various parts
00:11:06.900 of the Middle East and associated with terror groups. 0.94
00:11:13.940 Many of the Chinese coming across our border look like they are here to attack us. 1.00
00:11:19.340 Beijing is creating the infrastructure in the United States to attack us from our own soil.
00:11:24.920 If we go back two years, primarily the Chinese migrants coming across our borders were family
00:11:30.660 groups.
00:11:31.380 In other words, desperate Chinese would want to live in a free society. 0.98
00:11:34.580 But these days, U.S. Border Patrol is reporting that at least 80 percent, probably around 85 percent
00:11:40.800 are of those that you described.
00:11:43.660 They are military aged males traveling in packs of five to 15 without family members.
00:11:50.280 Some of them pretend not to speak English.
00:11:52.880 We know that Border Patrol says that some of them actually have links to the Chinese military.
00:11:57.520 And, Lou, you know, at the end of January, there was a website, Define America, that posted
00:12:03.180 images of Chinese migrants who had been in our country for less than three weeks, who came
00:12:08.980 in with no documentation, no money.
00:12:11.700 And what were they doing?
00:12:13.420 They were taking target practice with pistols and, in one case, a sniper rifle.
00:12:19.240 Now, these images come from a desert location.
00:12:22.380 But Blaine Holt, who's a retired Air Force general who lives in Idaho, has said the same
00:12:27.400 thing is taking place in his state.
00:12:29.240 So we have to assume this is occurring around the U.S., which means that we have to assume
00:12:34.280 the worst about these migrants. 1.00
00:12:37.440 There is no question.
00:12:39.500 And why would one not assume the worst?
00:12:41.620 That's the point of having a border.
00:12:43.160 That's the point of having ports of entry and doing immigration and customs inspections as
00:12:50.420 those people who are crossing that border come into our country. 0.97
00:12:54.840 Only fools would be in the position we're in. 1.00
00:12:57.680 And no bigger fool in the world exists than Joe Biden. 1.00
00:13:01.580 We are watching this country. 1.00
00:13:04.360 It's absolutely dissolving around us right now because of the decisions taken by the Biden
00:13:11.720 regime.
00:13:12.300 I can't call him a president because if I did, I'd have to say illegitimate president because
00:13:18.620 he has no business of being where he is today.
00:13:22.340 He was engineered into that job.
00:13:25.120 And we hope that we'll see an election this year that is not rigged.
00:13:30.660 The world, how does it look at us now as we are our commander in chief refuses to even,
00:13:39.420 as this conflict with one of our most important allies in the world, this conflict doesn't
00:13:45.820 even merit a public speech by the president of the United States, ostensibly, the commander
00:13:52.980 in chief.
00:13:53.600 You know, if we go back to I think it was August of last year, Biden gave a speech to Democratic
00:14:02.700 Party fundraisers in Utah, and it was closed to the public.
00:14:07.060 And Biden actually said some things which I thought were quite realistic in terms of how
00:14:11.760 dangerous China was. 0.90
00:14:12.880 But Biden refuses to talk to the American people in the same way.
00:14:18.280 And that is an abrogation of his number one constitutional duty, which is to protect the United
00:14:23.520 States from foreign attack.
00:14:25.160 You can talk to people in Asia, you can talk to people in the Middle East, and they are
00:14:31.320 rooting for President Trump in the November election.
00:14:34.840 And basically what they're saying, Lou, is that if Biden were to win, that people in
00:14:40.040 Asia, people in the Middle East are saying they have no choice but to come to terms with
00:14:44.860 China.
00:14:45.600 In other words, they're going, these are traditional friends of the U.S., but they realize that
00:14:49.620 they have no choice if Biden wins another term.
00:14:52.700 So they're all rooting for Trump.
00:14:55.120 And I think that that is certainly the way I see it, because we cannot afford another four
00:15:00.840 years of what we have seen, which is the purposeful takedown of American institutions.
00:15:06.240 Anyone who would even contemplate the possibility of voting for a Marxist dem in this moment in
00:15:15.080 history is turning over the country to the Marxists, absolutely ending our constitutional
00:15:22.140 republic, and then we can start to worry about all the rest of it.
00:15:25.980 The fifth columns within the threats from Russia and from China and Iran and around the 0.86
00:15:32.900 world, the list goes on.
00:15:35.440 It is, but that's where we are.
00:15:37.400 Our national media is captured by the Marxist dems, the oligarchs who are demanding that they
00:15:46.440 ignore the right, they ignore the MAGA and America first, of course, and we have no response
00:15:55.200 from our leaders, so-called Speaker Mike Johnson.
00:16:00.880 Actually, as Rand Paul said, Senator Paul said, this is a moment where we have a Speaker of
00:16:12.860 the House that is governing exactly like a Democrat, and yet he was in Mar-a-Lago standing next
00:16:19.240 to the president of the United States, both former and future, it's mind-numbing to watch what's
00:16:30.700 going on.
00:16:32.280 Well, it certainly is.
00:16:33.400 You know, just to go back to the conversation about purposeful destruction of the U.S., you
00:16:39.300 know, if you go back to the September 11th deal of last year that Biden arranged with Iran,
00:16:44.180 that was the release of certain individuals, as well as the unfreezing of, I guess it was
00:16:50.480 $6 billion.
00:16:51.720 $6 billion for five hostages.
00:16:55.900 You know, and part of that deal, which hasn't gotten reported very much, is that President
00:17:01.780 Biden actually gave clemency to five Iranian operatives, and he allowed three of them, three
00:17:09.660 of them, Lou, to stay in the United States.
00:17:12.520 This is a hostile regime that talks about destroying America, and he's allowing their operatives to 0.97
00:17:20.040 stay here.
00:17:20.780 So it doesn't take very much imagination.
00:17:24.180 We have, the State Department is still providing security to State Department officials in the
00:17:30.000 Trump era because they're worried about Iran assassinating them, and Biden allows these
00:17:35.600 operatives to stay here.
00:17:36.940 This, to me, is incomprehensible.
00:17:38.760 What do you think of the reports, unconfirmed, but they are reports, and, you know, by responsible
00:17:47.560 organizations, that Biden may have been actually giving guidance to the Iranians during the
00:17:54.320 Iranian assault on Israel? 0.77
00:17:56.780 This would be part of Biden's appeasement of Iran, that he is working so hard to try to
00:18:05.140 get them to do things his way, to see things his way, that he is empowering them.
00:18:10.580 He empowered them with all that cash and in other ways as well.
00:18:14.520 So, you know, I wouldn't be surprised.
00:18:16.800 But, you know, one thing, you know, we know from what his administration has done, and that
00:18:21.020 is, it has given Iran the means to attack Israel.
00:18:25.240 And the reason why this is important, among other things, is because China stands behind 0.89
00:18:30.760 Iran.
00:18:31.240 Iran is China's proxy, and that means we are supporting a militant regime in Beijing that 0.90
00:18:37.760 is attacking our friends and allies, and indeed, the United States as well.
00:18:42.280 We're supporting China.
00:18:43.220 We are supporting, incredibly, the Iranians against our ally, Israel, and trying to make 1.00
00:18:52.880 some pretense that any of this is rational.
00:18:56.880 It is, this is the end of an era.
00:18:59.800 It may be the American era, but it may be also the era of just utter madness.
00:19:05.620 And that will depend on the outcome on November 5th.
00:19:09.340 Gordon, as always, we thank you for being with us.
00:19:12.000 We appreciate it.
00:19:13.500 And thanks so much.
00:19:15.720 Thank you, Lou.
00:19:16.900 Gordon Chang, a great American and a brilliant national security analyst.
00:19:22.100 And as I said, I think the foremost expert on Asian issues in this country.
00:19:28.420 I want to say thank you for being with us here today.
00:19:32.000 A lot of stress and strain for all of us as we go through these dark days because of the
00:19:39.900 leadership in Washington, D.C., make no mistake.
00:19:43.920 That is the principal cause of all of our misfortune and a country that is, as I said, under some
00:19:54.340 considerable stress.
00:19:56.000 Our prayers go out to all of the Israelis, to the nation of Israel.
00:20:00.840 God bless you.
00:20:01.940 And God bless America.
00:20:03.500 Thank you for being with us.
00:20:05.280 Thank you for being with us.