MEXICO AND CANADA BEND THE KNEE!
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The tariffs on the southern border, the trade war with Mexico and China, and the race for ai. And much more! The Great Americana Show is brought to you by Lance Thompson and the Daily Mail.
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hello everybody and welcome to the great america show it's great to have you with us today thanks
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so much for joining us promises made promises kept you're going to hear me say that for the
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next four years folks president trump keeping on one of his promises yet again and no it's not the
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trade war we're going to get to that in just a second well it's the democrats call it a trade
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war we call it tariffs the daily mail is reporting that the u.s agency for international development
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also known as usaid employees got a nasty surprise when they went to go wake up on monday morning to
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go to work quote at the direction of the agency leadership the usaid headquarters at the ronald
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reagan building in washington dc will be closed to agency personnel on monday february 3rd 2025
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the message goes on to say agency personnel who normally work at usaid's headquarters will quote
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work remotely except for the people who perform essential on-site building maintenance duties
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further guidance will be forthcoming it adds in total 600 staffers are locked out overnight according
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to the daily mail as of 2016 there were about 12 000 employees on its payroll so be nice to save some
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money there and get these folks out of there elon musk cheering the decision yet again president trump
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keeping on his promises some other promises president trump is keeping up on his marxist
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dems call it a trade war we just call it good old-fashioned tariffs they were placed on as of this
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morning they were went in act on saturday but going to effect this morning on canada mexico
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and china except mexico found a way to wiggle themselves out of theirs and how did they do that
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it's called the art of the deal the only one man who can make that happen that's president trump
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mexico's president scheinbaum has pledged to put 10 000 mexican troops on the northern border of mexico
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with mexico in the united states as they take a brief one month pause on the tariffs and allow marco
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rubio and howard lutnik to negotiate how mexico is going to stop the free flow of drugs and cartels and
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child sex trafficking and migrant sex trafficking and all the bad things they allow to come through
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that southern border so we're holding off on those for a month but canada's tough guy and commander
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in chief justin trudeau says he's going to stop ordering whiskeys and bourbons and anything that
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comes from american red states uh because he doesn't want to give them the satisfaction of ordering
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uh one of canada's provinces also uh canceling a massive contract with starlink for internet
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that's fine you're only spiting yourself you're the one who's missing out on the internet so
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jokes on you folks our guest today is gordon chang he's an author and a china expert i want to take
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all this up with gordon the tariffs tiktok the southern border uh the deep seek ai and uh and open ai
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and the race for ai so as i say gordon chang is our guest today here on the great america show
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gordon it's great to have you back with us here on the great america show i want to start with
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something that happened lance last week transpired last week i tried to get you on the show you were
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too busy for us but we've got you here today so i want to use you while i can deep seek ai this ai
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company that's competing with open ai american company that wants nothing to do with china apparently
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uh last week telling us they're beating us in this race with ai undercutting us by probably
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hundreds of millions of dollars they're doing so great it tanks the markets the markets rebound a day
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later pretty much all for nothing i'd spoken with economist john lonsky just a day after it had
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happened and i alluded to him this seems awfully similar to what we witnessed five years ago or so
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with uh 5g and china's race against us in 5g with huawei you know they told us we're ahead we're ahead
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we're ahead it turns out as all as usual deception from china they weren't ahead they're never ahead
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everything they have is stolen from us so they have to wait for us to develop it so they can do it
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your thoughts on everything that's transpired with this deep seek ai and open ai yeah i agree with your
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thoughts you know deep seek is open so we can see everything it's open source and and yes they've made
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advances on open ai's chat gpt but the advances are not nearly as great as they proclaim we know this
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because they they did they were engaged in distilling in other words what they did was they trained their
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large language model with open ai's large language model and that was in violation of open ai's terms
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of service so in other words deep seek is a basically the product of view of chinese intellectual
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property theft one other thing that's going on here and that is it's a little bit too convenient
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that deep seek released its r1 model on january 20 i think this is largely political theater and the
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reason is at the same time they released r1 the communist party was engaged in a propaganda blitz
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about the futility of america's sanctions on china's ai i think that what we are seeing here is a big
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propaganda campaign and so therefore i agree with you that they're not nearly as far progressed as
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they say they need our ai in order to build upon theirs better put i think is they need our ai so they
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can steal it from us that's right stealing because we give it to them but um open ai surprisingly enough
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they literally want nothing to do with china absolutely nothing they nothing no part of their
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model is mined in china i think they're probably smarter than the average people uh definitely
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smarter than the folks running apple who give them everything and maybe even tesla um where are they in
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the race in ai is it even a race to begin with at all well you know in one sense it's a race i mean
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technology you know we're we're going to uh take back the lead very soon you know as open ai said
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they're going to release some very important uh products um in the next month or so but there's one
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thing that you got to be really concerned about and that is that ai it no matter what your technology is
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is going to be better the more data you put into it china has been hoovering up the world's data
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and that means in general their ai has a big lead on ours so that's the one concern i have you know
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whether they take it and they're taking a lot of uh data and uh technology through ai and they're doing
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it through tiktok and they're doing it through cyber attacks so this is i think the crux of the
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concern i'm not so worried about their technology development i am worried about the data that they
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have been able to take from the world now what will they what's china's end goal obviously they
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have an end goal with everything they do what is their end goal with ai ours is obviously to make
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people's lives a little bit easier on the work front we really haven't figured out a plan or at
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least a public plan for going forward or what we'll use it for militarily militarily what is china's plan
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um you know with ai what do they plan to use it for well they plan to use it for everything um and
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you know the military uses it but also businesses use ai and as people say um the contest for better
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ai is going to define the 21st century because it's going to lead to better and more efficient economies
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going to lead to better militaries so it is really across the board interesting i want to
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turn to tariffs first i want to get with the start with china we'll make our way down the list uh
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china being hit with tariffs uh president trump enacted on saturday it goes into effect today
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tuesday um what's your take on it i personally don't think it's enough
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we've spoken time and time again gordon about all the things we owe china for uh all the deception and
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destruction they've done to america um do you think president trump's starting point with the
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tariffs is enough i would do more than 10 remember during the campaign starting in february of last
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year he had told maria bartiromo that he was going to put tariffs on china of at least 60 and he
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actually even hinted 100 and then after that he said he said it he said it and then after that
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separately he said he would impose a 10 across the board tariff for fentanyl which is what he's just
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done so really what he has said was the tariffs on china should be at least 70 percent right now
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they're about 35 so he's halfway there and i agree with you this is not enough because this is not
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going to change china's behavior you need to have far higher tariffs on china in order to have any hope
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of getting xi jinping to move in better directions which is difficult enough in the best of days
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but a 35 tariff that ain't going to do it yeah china says they're going to react in kind issuing a
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message uh saying this is a quote serious violation of international trade rules the chinese government
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signaled its intention to respond with unspecified countermeasures while challenging the tariffs at the
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world trade organization who knows what china's going to do are they going to unleash another
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maybe china virus on us as a retaliation measure i mean the scary thing is is the possibilities are
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endless them putting tariffs on things from us would make i don't think any sort of difference at all
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certainly not as bad as canada which we'll talk about a little bit and mexico on us um what can
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china possibly do as a retaliation i'm only half kidding about them unleashing another china virus 2.0
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we've spoken about this as well i'm as far as i'm concerned they did it on purpose and they released
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it on purpose what kind of retaliated retaliatory measures could xi jinping do to america you know
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just these little fraction of a tariffs that we're expecting from president trump basically not anything
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or not anything meaningful and the reason john is that uh trade surplus countries have very little
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ammunition against trade deficit ones right and we run these persistent and large deficits with china
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so yeah there's things china can do there's things that china has done they've imposed for instance
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an export embargo on certain rare earth minerals they've sanctioned some u.s companies for selling stuff
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to taiwan really minor things that don't affect us they're not meaningful and at the end of the day
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when you have an economy like china's which is trade dependent really their threats are hollow
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and they're us especially hollow in this circumstance xi jinping has turned his back on consumption
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as the foundation of the chinese economy that means his only way of rescuing his economy is to export more
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which means he's put his fate in our hands that means the future of the communist party is going to be determined
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not in beijing but in places like brussels tokyo and washington so we should take advantage of this
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leverage because right now he's at our mercy yeah and what a lot of people don't realize is china
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literally imports i mean everything they have uh their food i they don't produce any food is that
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correct their coal their their oils everything they have nothing yeah they're not self-sufficient in food
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i mean in an emergency they could get by um but they essentially their their food self-sufficiency
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ratio is like about 93 and it's dropping um so yeah they do need to do this and that's one of the
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reasons why xi jinping has been hoarding grain and stockpiling it because he realizes that that's a
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vulnerability for him the other issue too gordon you i want your thoughts on this is eventually i think
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the chinese people if they haven't had enough already uh of the situation they're currently
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living in under xi jinping do you think we maybe see the next year two three years the chinese people
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have enough of xi jinping and some sort of revolt in that country we're seeing it across the board
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we saw in 2020 americans were tired they they were tired of being lied to by a government they
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believed an election was stolen they revolted you saw it in venezuela an election was stolen by
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nicolas maduro uh the people revolted there it's a little bit different um do you think the chinese
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people it's possible for them to have enough and maybe have a an overthrowing of xi jinping
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it's always possible john um because the chinese people are volatile and this is not just under
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communism this goes back through millennia of chinese history that the chinese people can be
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quiet for very long periods and then all of a sudden and unpredictably explode now they did
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that in october 2022 there were protests across china over various things it started over covet
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lockdowns and just continued over other things um and and then it died away um the communist party is
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very good at um ending protests but we also know that the chinese people right now are not happy
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they're gloomy they're pessimistic that sort of helps the communist party because when people are
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pessimistic they generally don't revolt but every once in a while throughout chinese history a spark
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occurs people get hope and they take to the streets so yeah anything can happen and one thing we know
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because xi jinping spends so much on domestic security more than on the people's liberation army
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we know that he's definitely concerned about what the chinese people might do because right now with
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the economy failing they are not happy yeah there's been a lot of people who have been very hawkish on
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china's moves as to if they're going to take taiwan if they're going to take the philippines or where
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they're going to go next to me it seems right now is xi jinping's got so many things going wrong
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he doesn't have his buddies russia because russia is fighting their own war with ukraine uh russia's
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turned out to be not as strong as we they believe we believe they were it turns out they didn't have
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the force that we believe they had it turns out they didn't have the equipment we believe they had
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they can't defeat ukraine as they promised who knows what's going on there the truth about what's
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going on there um do you think xi jinping still has his eyes set on taiwan and how could he possible
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or philippines and how could he possibly do it with all that's going on right now it seems he's he's got
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like this submarine that's got pinholes all in it and any moment one of them is going to open up and
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just explode or implode yeah well you know it does he have his eye on taiwan the answer to that is yes
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because he's based his personal legitimacy on annexing taiwan but i agree with you that taiwan
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is he's probably not going to invade i worry a lot of things about china i don't worry about him
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starting hostilities with an invasion of the main island of taiwan and there are a lot of reasons
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for that one of them right now is that the chinese military appears to be in quiet revolt against
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xi jinping we know this because military propaganda organs have been promoting and praising collective
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leadership quote unquote that phrase is a direct criticism of xi's style of governance of rule and so
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we know that they're not happy and there are even reports which i don't know if i believe them or not
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but there are reports that c has lost a lot of his authority over the military um so that is that
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actually fits in with some things that we've been observing over the last 18 months the thing is
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you're right it's a mess there are pinholes in the submarine and any one of them could become the leak
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that uh that takes the sub down yeah and that's just my assertion of it but you you're far more
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well versed in this than i am that's just the way i see it as a layman from the outside you know that
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there's really no possible way he's got nobody who's got his back right now it's like the kid on the
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playground who's ready to start a fight with 10 guys and he turns around he's got you know nobody
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there uh looking to help him i want to take a quick break here gordon when we return i want to talk
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about marco rubio put to the first his first test as secretary of state my in my opinion is doing a
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pretty good job so far uh it seems like everybody in the trump administration whether they liked it or
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not is is hard at work already whether you're sean duffy or howard lutnik and uh uh marco rubio
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down the list of all these folks who are hard at work i want to take up that i want to take up
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tick tock i want to take up the tariffs on canada that are going into effect on tuesday and i want to
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take up the southern border we're coming right back with gordon chang stay with us
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folks we're back we're talking with gordon chang china expert and brilliant author
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gordon i want to turn to tiktok they have what is it 70 days now 70 days from the ban that was
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supposed to happen to sell the company what do you think ultimately winds up happening with tiktok
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the the thing the strange part about it is it's going to be sold but it won't be sold with the
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algorithm essentially you're selling it for the name with no algorithm behind it it's worth absolutely
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nothing is that correct that's correct um and we should uh you know the sale has to include the
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algorithm right um the algorithm is used by china to promote its narratives in other words propaganda
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but it's also been used to promote illicit drug use in the u.s self-harm it's being used to foment
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violence on american streets which is an act of war um and we have every right to expropriate that
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algorithm which means that we you know we can't take it from china but we can use it without china's
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permission now the algorithm is something that changes all the time which means we won't get the
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updates but we can get the basic algorithm um and this is something that we absolutely have to
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do so i'm not in favor of any sale that for instance leaves china in possession of any ownership
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interest in tiktok and i'm not interested in any sale that uh does not include the rights to the
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algorithm i'm not in favor of any sale period you know and i'll tell you why it's like making a deal
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with the devil gordon you're forking over however much money they're going to get for this thing or
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whatever they want it seems it's like a drug and a drug addict's willing to pay whatever the amount
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of money they they need to to get their fix how do we trust china to act in good faith i mean how do
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we know they'll actually sell the thing completely how do we know they're not going to still somehow
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monitor the program and still spy on us anyway well if if we actually control the data then they can't
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steal the data um that we can manage um the thing about tiktok is that um it has been used to steal
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data um i mean in enormous amounts of data as we mentioned because that goes into um their
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algorithms back home for ai um but we can do this i mean india shut it down um we can shut it down too
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um if it's owned 100 by an american company i'm i'm okay with that but um right now that's not what
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trump's talking about trump's talking about a 50 50 joint venture which to me is just completely
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unacceptable yeah yeah i mean we we yell at china for doing the same exact thing that
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we're eventually now going to do i don't think the government has any business being in the social
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media business uh oh absolutely absolutely the u.s government should not own anything if it's owned
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by an american or a canadian kevin o'leary mr wonderful is canadian um it's got to be private
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and yeah i agree with you you know big media companies they have been mining data but they're private
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that's the big difference in china um tiktok although nominally private all of that information
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goes to the communist party and to the chinese military so there's a critical difference there
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yeah you know the thing it's really just annoys me is america has the smartest innovators i think in
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the world uh tech guys the smartest tech guys in the world there's no silicon valley in china there's
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no silicon valley in india there's no silicon valley in russia uh we are the innovators when it comes to
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tech uh we've built facebook american uh twitter was built by an american instagram obviously now
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facebook whatsapp oh you know all the social media companies we shouldn't be sitting here offering up
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150 200 billion dollars to the ccp uh for for a stupid program i think that president trump should
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have let the band sit down the election was over he won the election some people say tiktok helped
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him the election i mean that's neither here nor there it's over right the election's over the way
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i see it is there's people who need to make money there's people on a payroll that need to make money
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off this deal president trump should have let this thing expire uh should have let this thing go by
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the wayside and you know what gordon in two weeks in three weeks americans would have forgotten
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about it anyway and they would have been back on facebook or instagram well you know i agree with you
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on that i mean um i think that the 75 day order to the attorney general not to enforce the law was
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wrong um and matter of fact you know if if trump had not issued that then the chinese would have sold
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tiktok for very little because it would have become almost i wouldn't say almost worthless but the point is
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once that ban was in place tiktok's value was erode by the day and you know he trump's supposed to be
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art of the deal well the art of the deal is you put maximum pressure on the other party and that
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could have occurred um but yeah you know the other thing is we had every right to expropriate without
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compensation tiktok because china used that as in an act of war against the united states they committed
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a federal crime for promoting and fomenting violence on american street through tiktok videos
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that's that to me should have been the end of the conversation then we should have just taken it
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confiscated without compensation yeah and somehow we've we've got a full three uh 180 degree turn
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on it it's uh truly perplexing to me that we find ourselves in this situation again where we're you
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know at the dinner table with the devil and the devil is china make no mistake about it uh speaking of
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china marco rubio was in the panama well he's in panama not quite at the canal but that was the purpose
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of the visit meeting with the panamanian president uh panama is reportedly exiting china's belt and
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road initiative uh that they were set to uh renew on after marco rubio singles uh single visit down
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there what does this mean and for marco rubio's negotiating power speaking of the art of the deal
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what does it mean for america in regards to panama and china in regards to panama well it's a good start
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um but there's a lot more that we need to do to get china out of the canal zone because you know as
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everyone talks about they've got port operations at both ends of the canal um and that allows them
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to use those operations plus others in the canal zone to choke off that vital waterway so we need
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to get american port operators there we need to get american businesses there we need to get the chinese
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out that's a long-term process but at least we're starting to move in the right direction
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because china has the ability to choke off that waterway in times of war and as secretary of
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state rubio said he has quote unquote zero doubt that the chinese have contingency plans to do that
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how do you think china responds to this now uh they're going to huff and puff um they're very
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influential in panama um for a number of reasons uh especially uh they got a lot of leverage over
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president molino we're just going to have to fight there um day in day out and i'll give you one
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other thing which um people don't talk about but but the great war correspondent michael yawn is
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reporting that the chinese are building a road through the darien gap the darien gap is 70 miles
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of jungle that separates central america from south america it is the route that migrants have to take
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if they're coming up from central america and using the land route and if the chinese are able to
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build a road through the darien gap it's going to facilitate migration into the united states the
00:25:55.740
chinese are building the road for that purpose so we need to stop the construction of that road
00:26:02.820
it's funny i spoke to my called my father yesterday he obviously listens to you every single day that he
00:26:08.360
possibly can and he said the exact same thing that you just said to me so i got the preview from him
00:26:14.020
um that's another thing gordon that just totally perplexes me is president trump knows that this is
00:26:21.600
what china is doing there's a goal in everything they do fentanyl is to get americans hooked and
00:26:26.800
become drug addicts and kill off a population and then laugh in our faces and say look you know we
00:26:31.780
don't need to stop our fentanyl flow you need to stop the drug addicts you have in your country
00:26:35.620
why are we sitting back and letting them do this i mean they're doing it right in front of our faces
00:26:40.700
it's just like uh you know the catholic charities the red cross fuels these migrants to come to this
00:26:46.400
country and then when they get here they protect them and they help them get them in here how do we
00:26:50.280
let this happen right in front of our eyes gordon i think it's because no president of the united
00:26:55.880
states since eisenhower has told the american people that china is not a competitor it's not merely an
00:27:02.520
adversary it is an enemy it is preparing for war it is preparing to destroy the united states
00:27:07.760
and we need to start mobilizing ourselves and we need president trump to say that
00:27:12.920
this is really important because until the american people get it american people are not going to take
00:27:20.200
those measures that are necessary to defend ourselves and although we're a far stronger country than china
00:27:25.320
we can lose our country because we're not protecting ourselves because we don't know
00:27:30.280
about what our enemies are doing this is just like in the pre-9-11 period this is just like pre-pearl
00:27:37.600
harbor we americans are not paying attention to what our enemies are actually telling us
00:27:43.640
what is it going to take for president trump to heed to that warning i know when lou was alive
00:27:50.240
lou was you know very vocal on the china issue you and lou spoke very often on it and uh you know lou
00:27:57.980
sort of had president trump's ear on it and would you know tell him the things he wanted to hear and
00:28:01.980
the things he didn't want to hear uh you don't have very many people like the great lou dobbs anymore
00:28:07.340
who are willing to tell the president the truth whether he likes it or not what's it going to take
00:28:13.360
for president trump to heed the warnings and like i you know like i said before and i hope i'm wrong
00:28:19.360
and this china virus 2.0 something to that effect where china unreally you know unleashes something
00:28:25.960
else on the world as another accident well first of all we need lou dobbs because there's nobody
00:28:33.260
could replace lou um and so you know it is it's been my honor and lydia's honor to have known him
00:28:41.760
on your point about disease 2.0 we know the chinese are working on what they call specific
00:28:48.660
ethnic genetic attacks in other words attacks by pathogens that will leave the chinese immune and
00:28:53.760
kill everybody else we know at this moment that they are working on ebola ebola in nature has a 50
00:29:01.040
percent fatality rate but the good thing about ebola's pathogen is that it's not very transmissible
00:29:08.380
if the chinese can increase the lethality rate or more important if they increase its transmissibility
00:29:13.960
they have a weapon that can kill the american people exterminate the american people i mention
00:29:20.760
ebola because at that lab in readley california the secret chinese biological weapons facility that
00:29:26.780
that alert building inspector found in december 2022 they had quote at least 20 pathogens inside
00:29:33.480
and one of those pathogens was the one for ebola so i mean is this i mean you know this gordon uh
00:29:44.120
there's other people who know this is going on does president trump know this i mean do the american
00:29:48.400
people know this that this may be something else that's in the woodwork i mean the first one hit us
00:29:54.420
by surprise but we should never be surprised again by the by what can happen now i'm not saying
00:30:00.260
government shutdowns and all that good stuff because i don't think the american people ever stand
00:30:03.440
for that once again after we learned what we learned from dr anthony falchi and the the troll
00:30:08.440
the level of trolling they did to us but i mean what does this mean to president trump does this does
00:30:14.380
he heed the warning and uh maybe get a head start on it you know i hope so you know if we go back to
00:30:21.460
february 2020 everyone said that trump was a shoo-in for re-election um and the reason he didn't
00:30:28.580
get re-elected is trying to use tiktok against him by the way but also because of the pandemic
00:30:34.820
um it just roiled american politics so i hope that president trump understands that i hope that he
00:30:41.340
understands the maliciousness of the chinese system um i don't like it when i hear him say good things
00:30:48.000
about xi jinping i don't like it when they hear from his people that he wants to go to china within
00:30:53.680
the first hundred days of his term this is not a good thing we need to start defending ourselves
00:30:59.820
um but anyway we need lou dobbs you you're preaching the choir i couldn't agree with you more
00:31:07.220
you know i had a friend who worked for president trump in the first administration and they did a
00:31:11.900
diplomatic i some sort of diplomatic trip in the first term i don't know if you remember or not
00:31:16.560
but they did a diplomatic trip and my buddy was over there and he had mentioned some weird something
00:31:21.800
weird to me and they figured it out obviously at the end they stayed in this hotel and every hotel
00:31:27.500
there was a hotel room and then a room next door on each side and each rooms next door were empty
00:31:31.880
and it would skip a room skip a room they were spying through each rooms on the side he came back and
00:31:37.260
they gave him he gave his cell phone and his cell phone was encrypted with spyware data and millions and
00:31:43.020
millions of like viruses where they could try this is who the chinese people are and president trump's ready
00:31:47.740
to go over there and get on a plane and meet with these people to just i mean compromise america it's
00:31:53.580
so mind-blowing to me uh that he'd want to do such a thing well you know what what is his is is tie to
00:31:59.940
china and why does he care to be friends with them so much you know i have i've got friends who are not in
00:32:06.380
the administration but who are friends with people in the administration and they say that trump knows
00:32:12.320
what's going on he is confronting china and he's doing it in his unconventional way sort of like a
00:32:19.020
jedi mind trick i hope that's the case um and i can see signs that that is the case but as we've talked
00:32:26.700
about with tiktok i've seen him flop on things that he shouldn't be flopping on so you know we just take
00:32:32.740
this day by day and um we keep on pressuring the administration to not do those things which are
00:32:39.100
not in our interest which is the reason why your show is so important yeah and people like you are
00:32:44.660
very important gordon i want to take one more quick break here when we return i want to take up the
00:32:48.580
tariffs on canada uh the southern border and how this all plays out the markets aren't really liking
00:32:55.000
it right now but they're i think uh getting used to it they should be used to it after the first term but
00:33:00.560
uh the markets i guess are never used to anything we're coming right back with gordon chang stay with us
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with gordon chang a brilliant author china expert uh happens to be an attorney too gordon once once an
00:34:17.040
attorney no longer you're in a better place now i think right gordon i want to turn to uh these tariffs
00:34:24.900
president trump put into effect on saturday they go into effect today tuesday uh on china we spoke
00:34:31.920
about but canada and mexico trudeau's playing tough guy but he finds himself in a very tough position he
00:34:39.180
wanted to do some sort of covet style bailouts which he can't do because of the way the legislature
00:34:44.220
structured and he said he's stepping down until sometime in march so he's sort of handcuffed his
00:34:49.540
people have already turned on him they're turning on him even more now uh he wants to play hard
00:34:54.560
bowl let's start with him first and then we'll get down to shine bomb in mexico how does this play out
00:34:59.640
for for uh trudeau i mean big tough guy trudeau he's going to learn uh hard and fast we don't need him
00:35:07.920
as much as he needs us yeah that's for sure because uh canada runs persistent trade surpluses against the
00:35:14.960
united states the u.s economy is something like what 13 14 times larger than canada's and like he has what
00:35:23.960
87 or so percent of his exports go to the u.s he's just out of ammunition when it comes to the u.s
00:35:31.480
and you know a lot of people say well we shouldn't be having a trade war with our you know border
00:35:37.000
country to the north but we got to remember that trudeau has allowed china to use canadian soil
00:35:43.640
for assaults on the united states and you know administration and administration out in washington
00:35:49.820
has been talking to canada about all of these problems and they never do anything they have just
00:35:55.900
been um allowing this to continue so somebody had to do something you know people may not like tariffs
00:36:01.680
on canada but the point is we had to get their attention just give you one example the number
00:36:08.180
of migrants coming into the united states from mexico far exceeds the number of migrants coming
00:36:13.300
in from canada but the number of apprehensions of people on the terror watch list from canada is about
00:36:20.780
three times greater than the apprehensions of terror watch list suspects from mexico dangerous elements
00:36:28.940
have understood that they can use the undefended northern border to get into the united states
00:36:35.560
canada knows what's going on and doesn't do anything about it canada's allowed the chinese
00:36:41.020
to take over large portions of the canadian political system the canadian banking system
00:36:46.100
is a haven for money launderers because ottawa doesn't enforce rules something had to happen
00:36:53.020
and i'm glad that president trump took action because whether you know you like tariffs or
00:36:58.820
not something had to be done president trump putting out the following truth social message
00:37:06.280
just a few hours ago quote canada doesn't even allow u.s banks to open or do business there
00:37:12.440
what's that all about many such bad things but it's also a drug war and hundreds of thousands of people
00:37:17.300
have died in the u.s from drugs pouring through the borders of mexico and canada just spoke with
00:37:22.560
justin trudeau we'll be speaking with him again soon you know it's a war he can't win gordon
00:37:28.200
i mean there's no possible way he wins and it's not even about saving face anymore because there's
00:37:33.940
no face to save he's resigned he's leaving office embarrassed as hell president trump another one
00:37:41.500
another one who tried to go up against president trump and learned that it doesn't end well when
00:37:46.720
you try to go up against donald trump i can't think of one person and you correct me if i'm wrong please
00:37:51.940
who's went up against president trump in any aspect any form those 16 against him in 26 and has come
00:37:59.360
out on top can you think of one no why does justin trudeau think he's going to be the first
00:38:05.260
you know you had the president of columbia back down last week um you have claudia scheinbaum
00:38:11.000
the mexican president um signaling that she wants to come you know to do what trump wants to seal the
00:38:17.560
border justin trudeau is is in a difficult position he said that he was going to resign he hasn't
00:38:23.200
resigned what he's done is he's taken parliament and prorogued it in other words it's now not in
00:38:29.860
session won't be in session until i think march 27th yeah he can't um he's running the country himself
00:38:36.300
and i think he's trying to use this crisis to stay in power not very likely for him to do that
00:38:42.500
but justin trudeau is can take canada down just because he doesn't want to do what the canadian
00:38:48.600
people want him to do which is to step down you know that's that's got to be the most embarrassing
00:38:54.620
thing gordon in the world first of all they owe the democrats often talk about dictators he's a
00:39:00.140
dictator uh clearly uh by everything you just described um but it's crazy that people from his own
00:39:07.960
country are in favor of these tariffs against him and their own country how bad has it gotten for
00:39:14.400
the people of canada you know i always use the canadian health care system as an example i know
00:39:19.480
people of health care up in canada who wait weeks and months to see a doctor but it's free it's free
00:39:25.340
i don't have to pay i don't have to pay to go to the doctor okay but how long does it take you to see
00:39:30.340
the doctor and why are so many of your people coming down to america i have a very close family friend
00:39:36.060
it's a very sad story but the man has cancer he has to come to america for treatments because it's
00:39:42.580
so bad in canada and that's what the american people parade like it's such a good thing whereas
00:39:47.840
you've got the canadian people saying the americans are right i it's so asked backwards gordon but
00:39:53.040
it's just hysterical to watch yeah um for everything except for emergency care um what you say about the
00:40:01.320
canadian health care system is absolutely right you have canadians going south you do not have
00:40:05.460
americans going north and there's a reason for that um because you can wait months for routine
00:40:12.920
care in canada except an emergency emergency they're they're great but um otherwise you're
00:40:19.540
absolutely right about that and by the way they can afford that because they don't have a military
00:40:23.280
they don't have a military because they just sort of take us for granted um as a number of senior
00:40:29.600
canadian politicians have said the u.s is no longer going to allow us us canadians to take advantage of
00:40:36.620
the americans they understand that and they know they've taken us for granted and they know that it
00:40:41.620
can't last by the way you know i'm sure they do have very good emergency service but so do we gordon
00:40:47.300
you can be an illegal alien walk right into the emergency room and come on in i go into the emergency
00:40:53.260
room gordon where's your health care where's your card what insurance do you have is a blue cross blue
00:40:58.280
shield uh if you don't have it get out of here you know it's like is this america word or is this
00:41:03.820
like some third world country i want to turn to the the southern border you mentioned shine bomb uh
00:41:10.140
folding cheaper than a lawn chair uh sending 10 000 troops scored into the to the border of a mexico
00:41:17.180
and america now i don't know if i necessarily believe it to be true because i saw on twitter a video
00:41:22.260
you may have seen this of the mexican military it's not the mexican military though it's the cartels
00:41:27.860
gordon they're in tanks they have machine guns it's a minute long video of someone taking it
00:41:32.880
pretty much saying you come for us we're gonna we're gonna come after you and i go into the further
00:41:37.940
into the post and i'm reading the surface to air uh combatants we can't send in drones because they
00:41:44.060
have anti-drone technology presumably this is all come from china because it's not come from us
00:41:50.080
it's not like we left stuff behind in afghanistan or anything like that but we haven't been in a war in
00:41:55.820
mexico to do that even though i'm sure we would what's going on with that yeah the cartels certainly
00:42:01.880
control the northern border of mexico um and they actually operate in the united states and during
00:42:07.620
the biden administration they took over um crime in a number of american cities and we got to remember
00:42:14.120
that um on fentanyl trade you got chinese technicians mixing chinese precursor chemicals
00:42:20.620
um in the northern part of mexico because there's two uh cartels that uh control the fentanyl trade
00:42:27.200
and so this is a joint cartel china project and you know the cartels and china are not going to easily
00:42:34.480
give up the northern border of mexico so we're going to have to take it back and i agree with you
00:42:41.480
you know this is going to be more than just a one month thing um the um this is going to be a long
00:42:47.960
drag drawn out fight but the important thing is we're starting to do something about it during the
00:42:54.080
biden administration biden's actions strengthen the cartels by putting tens of millions if not
00:43:00.200
hundreds of millions of dollars into the pockets of cart of cartel members so they can afford those
00:43:05.560
um those um surface-to-air missiles and those fighting vehicles that they have i mean this is
00:43:12.500
paid for by americans unfortunately we could agree to disagree with president trump on some of it and
00:43:18.760
you and i are certainly on the same side of it of it with president trump when it comes to china and
00:43:23.780
hopefully he'll come around but you know i always say i agree with president trump on 99.9 percent of
00:43:28.780
things and you know the china thing is one that that has really annoyed me and pissed me off and i'm
00:43:33.760
sure it's pissed you off too but hopefully he does come around on it the border there there's nothing to
00:43:39.880
you know to talk about there president trump i can't imagine i you know i i figured he was going
00:43:46.460
to come back and he was going to you know start slow and get things rolling we're here in guantanamo
00:43:51.120
bay maybe alcatraz or some of these people we we're hearing ice uh down the streets even in new york
00:43:56.960
i had a buddy call me the other day owns a restaurant and he says they're in new york and i said that's
00:44:01.640
excellent he goes that's not excellent i'm gonna lose my whole kitchen staff i said well they did they
00:44:05.620
commit any sort of crimes and uh and he said i don't know that's not the point i'm gonna lose my
00:44:10.820
kitchen staff and i'm gonna have to go back to work i said then so be it you know we saw the other
00:44:16.260
day gordon these folks in la shutting down the freeway saying we're not criminals but if you're
00:44:21.640
coming to the country gordon illegally even if you didn't commit a crime while you were here
00:44:24.960
you're a criminal you know you may be here working hard trying to make money for your family
00:44:29.840
you broke the law i equate it to uh me robbing a bank gordon to go uh pay for animals to be freed
00:44:37.360
and not kill the disorder house i had a good intention that i didn't want the the dogs to die
00:44:42.340
uh but i did rob the bank and i broke the law so therefore i'm a criminal you know i i really don't
00:44:49.120
know what other way to put it it's sad right we all have hearts at the end of the day but we do have
00:44:55.220
a country of law and order and borders what after president trump finishes with these violent
00:45:01.460
criminals which it seems it's about a thousand a day now that are going what is he to do about the
00:45:06.700
ones who came here and haven't committed any further crime than just being in the country
00:45:11.220
illegally yeah they're gonna you know tom holman um has said look they're they're gonna deport them
00:45:17.900
and then they should um you know and i know that it's it's heart-wrenching yeah but the problem is
00:45:23.320
that if you have a border you have to enforce it because that's sovereignty and the other thing is
00:45:28.280
that all the people who have been waiting in line legally to get into the u.s like my wife a long time
00:45:33.780
ago um you know she just followed the rules well if people want to come to the united states you know
00:45:40.720
file a legitimate asylum claim um or wait in line um what am i supposed to say we got laws we should
00:45:48.960
enforce them it's just as simple as that because we know that 99.999 percent of those asylum claims
00:45:55.580
are false they are fake asylum claims and what they do is they make it hard for people with
00:46:02.240
legitimate asylum claims to come into the country that's not good yeah it's like these migrants
00:46:10.040
think that these illegal aliens people get upset when i call them migrants it just slips my mind
00:46:15.000
they're still illegal whatever you call them right they're here illegally because they filed a false
00:46:20.840
asylum claim or they snuck across the border or whatever but they shouldn't be in our country
00:46:26.140
they think that we're the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow gordon they come here
00:46:30.100
some of them make 150 dollars some of them make 200 some of them make 250 some of them are making
00:46:35.240
more money than people who are working at large corporations working here illegally not paying taxes
00:46:40.340
we've got to figure out a way to start penalizing i spoke with a friend of ours rich valdez yesterday
00:46:46.140
we got to figure out a way to start penalizing the businesses gordon or hiring them that's that's the
00:46:51.720
only way i think you get to the root of it if you start penalizing these businesses who are hiring
00:46:56.300
these illegals i think you can crack down now you know if you make it a criminal a criminal act to
00:47:03.120
hire illegals you're probably sure if you if there's no jobs to them gordon they're not going to come to
00:47:07.640
this country that's the first part of it now the second part of it which i'm sort of in favor of is
00:47:12.360
and you and i have discussed this before about using central america and these countries to move
00:47:17.380
offshore some of our stuff that's in china whether it be textiles uh things that will never come back
00:47:22.560
to america you know you're not going to get americans making textiles it's just what it is that's fine
00:47:27.280
we'll save the jobs we'll save the corporations like carrier air conditions and save them for america jeeps
00:47:32.780
we'll bring back to america from mexico um but the things that just won't come back to america is
00:47:37.800
that americans won't do we move them down to central america and you and i have spoken about this
00:47:42.200
i think that's stage two if we can make these people's countries habitable where they can make
00:47:46.580
a decent living they'll stay in their own country because they don't want to leave at the end of the
00:47:51.400
day gordon they don't want to leave their families and their kids behind they come here because it's so
00:47:55.520
expensive to get through the southern border by themselves they leave their families behind they send money
00:47:59.460
back third you gotta i think have a ground war with these cartels i'm not in favor of war i'm not
00:48:04.820
in favor of of our military members engaging any wars but uh it's a war that needs to be fought
00:48:10.580
gordon we we have no problem going over to the middle east i say this all the time because it's so true
00:48:15.160
we have no problem going over the middle east and destabilizing the hell out of that
00:48:18.380
why don't we find a war that actually matters what's your thoughts yeah you know just uh rubio is
00:48:26.160
going to five central america five central american and caribbean countries um and you have um four of
00:48:33.540
those are members of captain tr our free trade agreement um guatemala el salvador costa rica
00:48:40.620
and the dominican republic those are the four out of the five um and clearly what we should be doing
00:48:48.220
as you say we should be encouraging country companies to manufacture in those countries stabilize them
00:48:54.860
so they won't um people won't want to come to the u.s we solve the caravan problem and we also
00:49:01.920
have our supply chains more resilient and we don't enrich china and by the way it's great for the
00:49:08.080
climate because getting products up from central america or the dominican republic a lot less carbon
00:49:13.400
in the air than transporting them across the pacific you imagine you think the democrats would go for that
00:49:19.660
if you tell them that we could offset carbon maybe we go like net zero no they won't because
00:49:24.520
even though it makes perfect sense um it doesn't do what they want to do which is to ruin our lives
00:49:31.200
at home so yes they should know about this this is no this is no secret about the amount of carbon
00:49:38.240
that those container ships put into the air but this is too simple this is too logical and it doesn't
00:49:44.560
involve enslaving the american people so of course they're you know al gore is not going to support this
00:49:50.260
yeah why would the march systems be in favor of getting americas off of drugs you know people
00:49:56.300
don't realize gordon by by doing this and stabilizing central america it kicks china i mean where it hurts
00:50:03.800
it really does because you slow down the drug trade you maybe stop it completely that cuts china makes a lot
00:50:09.960
of money off of that and not it's just money the satisfactions of watching americans die uh you know
00:50:15.520
it's a long list of everything he does to hurt china you get the last word here gordon well you
00:50:21.560
know we need lou we just need lou so you know i pray every night that he's going to come back and
00:50:29.000
sometimes i wake up in the morning and i i still have an alarm set on my phone that says call lou and
00:50:33.640
sometimes i go to pick up my phone and i still talk with his wife every single day because it
00:50:38.580
makes me uh feel closer to lou but nobody misses him more than me gordon nobody misses getting yelled at
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more than me i never thought i'd say that well thanks a lot john thanks gordon we'll talk to you
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soon bye-bye thanks everybody for being with us today please be sure to join us back here tomorrow
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for the great america show as our quest for truth justice and the american way continues folks we'll
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see you back here tomorrow same time same place until then may god bless you may god bless america and