Our National Survival is on the Ballot in November
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Former US Customs and Border Patrol Agent Mark Morgan joins the Great America Show with Lou Dobbs to talk about his career and life in law enforcement and politics. He also talks about the latest in the McCarthy vs. Ryan feud and why he thinks Paul Ryan should be kicked out of the Republican Party.
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Well, Rhino, former speaker Kevin McCarthy, rejected once again by his peers.
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The former speaker has been on a revenge tour against the eight brave Republicans who voted to oust him.
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Tuesday, his power was put to the test in South Carolina's first congressional district.
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McCarthy was trying to unseat Congresswoman Nancy Mace with his war chest of millions of dollars.
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Well, Mace prevailed against her McCarthy-backed primary challenger by a winning margin of 27%.
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And McCarthy isn't the only Rhino running around on a revenge tour.
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His mentor, Paul Ryan, also out of the closet looking for revenge and no longer hiding the fact,
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Fox board member Paul Ryan on Fox News this week.
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A board member on Fox News railing against Donald Trump.
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And spewing his Trump derangement syndrome all over the screen.
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Ryan says President Trump, you know he's a big-time qualified character on this, Ryan, that is,
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And, well, who should know about being unfit for office?
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And I do think character is a really important issue.
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If you put yourself above the Constitution, as he has done.
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But I think it really is just character at the end of the day.
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And the fact that if you're willing to put yourself above the Constitution, an oath you
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will swear when you take office in federal office, whether it's president or a member
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of Congress, you swear an oath of the Constitution.
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And if you're willing to suborn it to yourself, I think that makes you unfit for office.
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Ryan obviously still can't get over the fact that Donald Trump got him the hell out of
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Congress because he is the one unfit for any public office.
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It looks to me like he's unfit to be on a public company board.
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He's out talking politics on that company's news network.
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And our friend, Congressman Troy Nels of Texas had a few choice words for Ryan after hearing
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For Paul Ryan to say he's not voting for Donald Trump, that's the problem with some of our
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Don't go spouting your mouth off and saying you're a conservative.
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You're spitting in the face of the leader of our party, Donald Trump.
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Turning now to the cartel-owned southern border, six suspected terrorists with ties to ISIS have
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been arrested in a sting operation in New York, Los Angeles, and Philadelphia.
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Those six arrested are reported to have come through the cartel border to the south.
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Our guest today knows more about that cartel-owned border than perhaps anyone.
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He is the former head of Customs and Border Protection, Mark Morgan.
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And Mark, I just got to tell you how great it is to have you on the show again and to talk
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about, I think, certainly, if it is not the most important issue, one of the most important
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Let's start with your assessment of what has happened here to the borders.
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This administration has, without question, simply turned that border over to the Mexican
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Lou, first of all, it's great to be with you once again.
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And I couldn't have said it better myself, but I completely agree.
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And at the end of the day, look, there's been challenges on both sides of the aisle when
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But this is really the first time in our lifetime where an administration intentionally and knownly
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came in and literally took the most secure border in our lifetime and intentionally unsecured
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And it took me a while because, as an American, I didn't want to come to this realization.
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But at the end of the day, because we ask each other all the time, why?
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And really, there's two major things that strive to, one, we know that illegal aliens are
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So there's a very real redistricting of House seats in favor of the Democrats, which clearly
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And they believe every single illegal alien, they find a pathway to citizenship is going
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So they've literally jeopardized our nation's safety and national security in the name of
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And to that point, I was stunned to see, because as you know, for years, immigration has been
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at the very top of this country's priorities in terms of political issues, etc.
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But never before have we seen illegal immigration rise to 62% of those who say we have to have
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deportations of all the illegal aliens who've come into the country in the past three years
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If you would have asked me that the poll would have been 62%, like you said, supporting large
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scale removal operation in this country, I would have said, no, that's never going to happen.
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But I think the reality that's happened is that the past three and a half years, this
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administration has so blatantly and so boldly opened our borders up again.
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The last 40 months or so, there's been 10 million in total nationwide encounters, plus another
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At this pace, by the end of his first four years, you're looking around 14 million total
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I mean, that would make it the equivalent to the fourth most populated state in this country.
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There's no country on the face of the planet that can sustain that.
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And I think the American people, after three and a half years, see that for what it is.
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And they understand that this cannot be sustained.
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And part of the solution can't just be to secure a physical border.
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We also have to take care of the individuals that are here in the country illegally, as well
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as go after the cartels, as you mentioned earlier.
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And I think that's what you're seeing reflected in the polls.
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And there's another poll I just saw from, I believe it was CNN, that said,
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President Biden right now is upside down 28 points with respect to his handle on the border
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as compared to the confidence of how President Trump would handle it.
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And that is a major, major issue, obviously, for the electorate this year going into November
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I also wonder just how in the world we're going to get it fixed.
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I know the president has said he wants the largest massive deportation effort in the country's
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history, a program to deport all of those illegals.
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What do you think it will take to remove, you said 14 million, let's call it, make it
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How in the world can we get them out of that efficiently, effectively, and in a reasonable
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Well, first of all, let's step back real quick for context.
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Really, to do what we need to do, there's a multilayer strategy.
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I don't have faith that Congress is going to give those to us, so we're going to have
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But President Trump gave us those tools and networks and authorities the last time.
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The second leg of that three-legged stool is we have to fundamentally change how we go up
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They cannot remain in existence if we're truly going to have a secure border.
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And the third thing is interior enforcement, Lou.
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I know it's a little tongue-in-cheek, but people say, well, how can we do it?
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And my purpose of saying that is that we can't just give up.
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We can't say because there's too many, what do we do, just not try?
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Enforcement and removal operations, it's a subcomponent of ICE.
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Look, I think there's some of the best in the world at going after individuals in a
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We need to give them, what I would say, assistance on steroids.
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It's going to take a whole other government approach.
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A lot of different departments and entities are going to have to be involved.
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And we're also going to need congressional assistance, political will, especially through the funding
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If we have all that together, we can do this, Lou.
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What I don't understand is the scale of it, because we've never before been bringing in
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And I'm rounding off your number, 14 million to 5 million a year.
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It's just how big would ICE have to be to be effective in that role of bringing those
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people from wherever they are, whatever community, and getting them ready to be transported back
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So, Lou, you bring up a very, very good point, right, about the numbers that are coming in.
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First of all, for interior enforcement to be successful, we have to cut up the spigot first,
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You know, the former chief of Border Patrol said, hey, look, you know, I don't need necessarily
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You know, when his analogy was a fire hose, he goes, I don't need more buckets to manage
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So one of the first things, strategy, we have to secure the border.
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We have to stop catching release of more illegal aliens.
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But when it comes to interior enforcement, look, we're going to need assistance, including
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Now, I'm not saying we're going to be, you know, rolling military out into cities.
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But to help support them on the logistics side, whether that's transportation you talked
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about, whether that's temporary detention facilities.
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So we're going to need to augment ICE resources to be able to do that.
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Eisenhower did this, you know, back in the 50s, right?
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And then what we also saw, and I think the same thing will happen again.
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So people are here in the country illegally, really believe we're serious about it.
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You're going to have potentially hundreds of thousands actually self-deport as well.
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And the last thing I'll say about this is that we've got to have the political strength,
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courage, the will of Congress to support us financially.
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And I think one way we do that is what ICE has continued to do, and that's prioritize
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No one can be off limits, but we prioritize criminals.
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We go after murderers, rapists, pedophiles, aggravated felons, and gang members first, and
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We're talking with Mark Morgan, the former commissioner of Customs and Border Protection.
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We're coming right back, and we're going to talk about how do you move 15 million people
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Oh, by the way, once you get that wall built, we'll be right back.
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We're back with Mark Morgan, and I want to start with this new executive order from President
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This guy is telling everybody he's going to take care of the border now in the last five
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And then we get this little proclamation guidance saying the door is now wide open for migrants.
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And don't worry about all that stuff I've been lying about in public.
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But I actually was still shocked by just the outrageous audacity to go through this.
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This was a cringeworthy political stunt that did actually surprise me that after three and
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a half years of saying, quote, there's nothing more that I can do.
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I mean, because we know he used his executive power to enact 94 executive orders that dismantled
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and destroyed all the network of tools and authorities we had in place under the John.
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Yeah, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10.
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I kind of refer to this as a cringeworthy political stunt.
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Remember, this is the same president for three and a half years has been saying, quote,
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I'm waiting for Congress to give me the authority and power to act, to address the crisis.
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We knew that was a lie because we knew he used executive authority to enact 94 executive
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orders that destroyed, dismantled the network of tools, authorities and policies we had in
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place under the Trump presidency that really led to the most secure border in our lifetime.
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But it's even worse than that, Lou, because the executive order, it's a joke.
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It's not going to shut down or close the border, not for a day, not for an hour, not for 10
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The loopholes would rival a block of Swiss cheese.
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I mean, it's actually going to allow 22,500 illegal aliens to enter on the southwest border
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in between the ports of entry before they do anything.
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They've also carved out if they use that CBP1 app, they're going to still allow them to come
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to a land port of entry or fly into one of 45,000 airports and be released in the United
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That's another million plus the few hundred thousand guideaways.
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That's why, Lou, that's why I keep saying, look, this is not a serious executive order
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This is about addressing the crisis at the polls for President Biden.
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And the idea that this country right now is losing, the estimate is 100,000, my guess is
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it's well north of that, the number of Americans dying every year from fentanyl.
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And that means that President Biden is responsible for the deaths of somewhere around 400,000 Americans
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just in the short time that he has been President of the United States.
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And, you know, we have double that every year to fentanyl.
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And no one's building a monument to those sorry souls who were addicts and killed themselves
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on fentanyl, thanks to the CCP that delivered the fentanyl to Mexico and manufactured it.
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And then the cartels distributed it in our country.
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Yeah, Lou, look, once again, you said it better than I could have.
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Look, this is why I've said for a long time, I'm with you, that both President Biden and
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Secretary of America have blood on their hands.
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Look, no administration, no matter how hard they try, are going to be able to be perfect.
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But if you actually have an administration that's doing all they can to actually secure
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the border, then, hey, you look at them saying, hey, are they doing the best they can?
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That's not what's happening in this administration.
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As we discussed, they've intentionally unsecured the border.
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Knowing full, Secretary Mayer, because remember, he was the deputy secretary when I was chief
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He knows that drugs are pouring in every single day.
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He knows that fentanyl is pouring in from the southwest border every single day.
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He knows that our borders are unpatrolled and unmanned because they're off the front
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Literally, we've handed operational control over to our southwest border, the cartels, so
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they continue to push fentanyl across, killing Americans every single day that you just talked
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And the Secretary and the President of the United States know this is happening, and they know
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it's a direct result of their open border policies.
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So I do believe absolutely 100% they have blood on their hands.
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And so as we talk about this, what about Mexico?
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Everybody leaves, not everybody, a lot of people leave Mexico out of the equation.
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We also have a president that is, well, the old boss is the new boss because she is a disciple
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And so it's difficult for me to say that there would be any difference.
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And if there is a difference between AMLO and her, it's going to be probably that she's
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No, look, I think you're saying, look, the parallels between our two countries are really
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I mean, you've got Biden that's holding the seat, but you know Obama is connected to that.
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And I think the same thing is unfolding in Mexico right now, as you just described.
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And I think here's something that as United States, we have to come to realization is
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that Mexico is really no longer a true partner for the United States.
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And we have to fundamentally change how we look at Mexico and how we deal with Mexico.
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And in turn, then that will help us deal with the cartels.
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I subscribe to the AG Barr approach to going after the cartels, the kind of planned Columbia
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approach where we use the United States military.
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I'm not saying we roll tanks into Mexico, but we use special operations capabilities to
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use precision surgical kinetic operations to go into Mexico and really strike at the
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We know where all the drug and human smuggling routes are.
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Because Mexico doesn't have the political will or the capability to actually defeat the cartels
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Do you think that we have the will and the resources to get it done?
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The real question that I'm not sure about is the will.
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Look, for the past hundred years, Congress has really failed to really step up and give
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persistent, ongoing legislative fixes that we need to address the illegal immigration
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Speaker Johnson, remember, he promised the American people he's going to, quote, hold the
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And at the midnight hour, for unspeakable reasons, he walked away from H.R. 2 and still gave
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$95 billion to other countries to secure and defend their border.
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So I'm not sure we have the political will to do it.
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We're talking with Mark Morgan, former Customs and Border Protection Commissioner.
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And Mark, again, just a delight to have you with us today.
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Look forward to talking with you more in the days and weeks ahead
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because so much is going to involve everything that your career has been about.
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the sovereignty of the nation and to control our borders.
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And, again, I'm just so concerned that we will once again run into a situation
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where there will be opposition to a wall on the border.
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There will be opposition to President Trump's plans to get rid of the cartels,
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Obviously, we know where the Democrats are going to be.
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But the challenge that I really have is the Republican side.
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Remember, the first two years of the Trump administration,
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the Republicans controlled the Senate and the House,
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yet they failed to get a single piece of meaningful border security legislation passed
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that would have addressed the loopholes and really give the authorities to the president
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At the end of the day, we had to really look at and use purely internal policies and executive order
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to get done what we needed and provide the resources like the wall that we needed.
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Again, we just talked about Speaker Johnson as a quintessential example.
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HR2 was the strongest piece of border security legislation that's ever been passed
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in either chamber of the Congress in our lifetime, Lou.
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And again, Speaker told the American people, Lou,
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Once he do, backs off, gives $95 billion to multiple countries to protect,
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Meanwhile, nothing with respect to HR2 and our ability to secure our border.
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So I don't have faith in either party that even if President Trump's in the White House,
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And so we're going to have to use executive order and internal policies
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to actually secure the border and protect this country.
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Do you think that finally, at long last, the political admixture is here, finally,
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to actually put in e-verify, to hold employers accountable for illegal employees,
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to actually deport illegal aliens who are in this country at the invitation of Joe Biden
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and have come on over the last three and a half years, some 15 million of them.
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Do you believe that we're near that in terms of political will and purpose?
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If Speaker Johnson would have held to HR2 with respect to the foreign aid package,
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I may say the Republicans are finally coming together,
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and they're actually sowing some strength and political courage and will.
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But they failed once again to hold that line and do what the American people needed them to do.
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So what I do have faith, though, is that President Trump will come in
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and give ICE the support they need to do to increase worksite enforcement operation,
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and go after them every day across this country with respect to hiring illegal aliens
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and actually holding the illegal aliens to task as well and removing them as well.
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Now, that, I think the American people are starting to see the light,
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and you're seeing some of that change in the polls that you mentioned.
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Well, Mark, we're going to give you the concluding thought, the last word here today.
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And I think, look, I love talking to you every single time
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You and I have been talking about this for many years.
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At the end of the day, if I could tell the American people, it's this simple.
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Why are we concerned about illegal immigration?
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Because border security is synonymous with national security.
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When you flood our borders with millions of illegal aliens,
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away from the law enforcement and national security mission.
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We literally have handed operation control, a large area of the border, to the cartels,
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and they exploited to push drugs, criminals, and national security threats.
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Less migrants suffer and die, and less Americans suffer and die.
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Thanks to Mark Morgan for being with us, and thank you, everybody, for being here.
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