MyPillow inventor Mike Lindell joins Lou Dobbs on the show to talk about his efforts to fight against the use of electronic voting machines in the United States, and why he believes they are a threat to our democracy.
00:00:00.000Hello, everybody. I'm Lou Dobbs, and this is The Great America Show, Truth, Justice, and the American Way.
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00:02:40.080working hard to make certain Americans understand what happened in the election of 2020,
00:02:45.800and understand what must be done now to prevent a recurrence of a rigged election.
00:02:51.480Our guest is Mike Lindell, the inventor of MyPillow, a great American.
00:02:56.720He's doing great things to assure electoral integrity and spending millions of his own dollars to bring legal actions of all sorts
00:03:19.520Well, it's great of you, all that you're doing now, bankrolling a nationwide push to stop the use of voting machines and elections and already developments.
00:03:32.140Give us a sense of where you are right now with your legal efforts.
00:03:38.020Well, we've been working on these for about four months.
00:03:41.820This is like a separate little silo and everything we got going on.
00:03:45.260But these are preliminary injunctions.
00:03:49.740The lawyers on there's Alan Dershowitz, there's Andrew Parker's firm, Kurt Olson, Doug Wardlow, my in-house attorney,
00:03:58.760who also is running for attorney general in the state of Minnesota.
00:04:02.280But so you have these big-time lawyers.
00:04:04.740We're working on this for four months, and these were, at first we were going to make them, Lou.
00:04:09.360They were defective machines, that these would be a defective product.
00:04:12.620They cannot give you a free and fair election, and they're hackable and everything else, which we all know.
00:04:19.480Well, we changed it about two months ago to preliminary injunctions under Section 42-USC-1987, whatever that means.
00:04:29.500It basically, there's a lot of rights that are violated where every voter is basically the plaintiff.
00:04:37.580But we did our first one in the state of Arizona, and interestingly enough, the plaintiff is Carrie Lake, who is running for governor of the state of Arizona,
00:04:48.980and Mark Fincham, who's running for secretary of state.
00:04:52.940And incidentally, Mark also had a big hand in making the replacement system with this secure paper I can tell you about.
00:04:59.720But the plaintiffs that are the defendant is Katie Hobbs, the secretary of state of Arizona,
00:05:06.060and the Maricopa supervisors and the Pima supervisors were thrown in because they've been obstructionists,
00:06:53.120They work with the lawyers, and it's their case.
00:06:56.940But this preliminary injunction, everybody, what it does is here's another little irony to this, a little more craziness here is the person that has to defend this is the attorney general for this, whatever state it is.
00:07:13.880In this case, it's Attorney General Bonavich, who hasn't done a thing in Arizona, as everybody knows.
00:07:20.740He has sat back, watched this Maricopa audit unfold.
00:07:25.880People that deleted the evidence the night before the audit in the machines, they wouldn't give up the routers.
00:07:31.780All these things, all the evidence that poured out of there to get to, and they could decertify Wisconsin tomorrow, but the attorney general has not done a thing.
00:07:42.440Now, he's got to make a hard choice, Lou.
00:07:44.440He's either going to have to say, you know what?
00:08:02.940The most secure paper ever made that I believe in history, and then the cameras and the system that goes along with it.
00:08:11.620So, as you see, France just had one like this, and they got everything done in a 24-hour period, and they have about one-half to one-third the voters, I guess one-third, and we've done time studies here.
00:08:25.140We'll actually get this done in one day.
00:08:29.920What a year later, or over a year later, and we still know nobody has the closest count is the count that I have from the cyber experts, where, you know, here over in France, they get everything counted in one day.
00:08:45.300Yeah, it's quite a difference, and I saw that the president's chief of staff had made the point that Macron, the president of France, had even a lower approval rating than President Biden.
00:09:05.140And so they weren't worried about the election in the fall.
00:09:09.560He didn't point out that they also have voter identification.
00:09:13.560Everybody has to prove in France, by the way, in nearly every country in Europe, they have to have voter identification.
00:09:20.240They have to have some document to prove that they're paying their gas and water bills and also are citizens and eligible to vote.
00:09:31.000But not good old America, the left has guaranteed that anybody that they fly in from, say, Guatemala, Mexico, Romania, China, who knows, will be able to vote in various jurisdictions because that's just how rigged the Democrats expect every election to be.
00:09:51.880Well, it's unreal. And then it's and then you you look at the cover up on this.
00:09:56.820I mean, you've got a state like Pennsylvania that had more voters than votes, more votes than voters, more votes, everybody than voters.
00:10:06.020What a concept. There's a law in Pennsylvania you can't have.
00:10:09.400You can't turn in your electors if you have more votes than voters.
00:10:12.820Well, they did. And so these Republicans that are there that could have voted to decertify and find out what happened.
00:10:20.400They do nothing, Lou. None of these legislatures in our country, these Republicans have done anything.
00:10:26.540I believe it's been part they've been part of the cover up, whether they're scared or whatever the reason is.
00:10:31.600It's disgusting. I will say this, everybody. I want to give everybody some hope here.
00:10:36.900I am, you know, yeah, Donald Trump appointed.
00:10:41.340I believe it's over 400 judges and including three Supreme Court judges.
00:10:45.380Now, everyone says, well, Mike, those judges, those were Trump appointed and they didn't do anything.
00:10:51.020That was over a year ago, Lou. And that was a different time we were in where I believe so many of them judges were in fear.
00:10:58.620I know my family was attacked. I was attacked for everything you could imagine just by saying, hey, this I have evidence here.
00:11:06.880Does anybody want to see it? And speaking out, well, these judges, you know, they did.
00:11:13.100None of them looked at the evidence. Every one of them kicked the can down the road.
00:11:16.640Now, one judge other than a little town or little county, Antrim County, Michigan, where that judge that did look at it said, wow, there's 7000 votes flipped out of 15000.
00:11:26.860There's a problem here. But as soon as it got out past him, it got stopped and other judges stopped it.
00:11:32.840But that was different times. And I think now, now that everything is unfolded, this has all been on God's timing.
00:11:39.900It really has. And more and more things get revealed as more and more things have been revealed.
00:11:45.080You get brave judges. Look at that example of that Florida judge that just made a ruling to get one judge makes a ruling.
00:11:52.820Hey, we're not going to we don't need these masks on airplanes and these mandates and our airports.
00:11:58.600And boom, overnight, it's every you know, one freedom comes back.
00:12:03.380And and this is I really believe with all these injunctions now we're going to be doing that the judges are going to make the right rulings that keeps up within our Constitution.
00:12:13.880What a concept. And as you know, this also before the election, all the attorney generals, when they did all these illegal things in all these states from Wisconsin to Georgia to Minnesota, all these states where they said, hey, we're going to change the rules of the elections.
00:12:31.640Most of it was done by these crooked secretary of states. I haven't found that there's unless the one hand where I'm and I can honestly say this, that I can't find one that didn't do stuff or doesn't have some personal agenda.
00:12:44.760It's terrible. The secretary of states. And now we know what they all do.
00:12:48.440They're in charge of these elections, but they don't get to make the law.
00:12:52.180The legislatures make the law. Well, these secretary of states like Michigan said, hey, let's mail out seven million ballots to people.
00:13:00.840Seven million. Just send them out. Well, that and you know who was supposed to stop them was the attorney generals.
00:13:07.420The attorney generals turned a blind eye except for one great Ken Paxton out of Texas.
00:13:14.220He fought back with 12 lawsuits and he saved the state of Texas. All 12.
00:13:21.360He won and and they were trying to change the rules there, too.
00:13:25.340Let's have early voting and all this stuff. He won all 12.
00:13:28.100They found two million ballots that were going to get pushed into the system.
00:13:31.880Granted, in Texas, they still stole a million votes from Donald Trump, but he had enough.
00:13:37.060There were Ken slow did enough where Donald Trump still won by 500000 votes.
00:13:44.040And that that being said, I was just in a rally with our great real president, Donald Trump.
00:13:48.540And he said, he said, you know, he's telling everyone, you know what they did before that election?
00:13:53.900They did all this propaganda. Texas could turn blue. Texas could turn blue.
00:13:59.700It didn't have any chance of turning blue without a rigged election and without those machines.
00:14:05.980And but they do that to you. So then if it does happen, the public goes, oh, man, it turned blue.
00:14:13.260Just like the poll said it was going to those those inner cities and Democrats.
00:14:17.760Democrats, it's all a big lie. It really is.
00:14:21.160The big lie has become the hallmark of corporate media in this country.
00:14:26.300And by corporate media, I'm talking obviously about ABC News, CNN, MSNBC, you know, and Disney, of course, Disney running ABC News and also trying to decide what are appropriate parents rights across the country.
00:14:42.720I mean, we've reached a point where if anyone in the country, I would be I'd be surprised if any Republican or any independent has any doubt about the political corruption of this Democrat Party and the Marxist left that are driving the puppet president.
00:15:01.380We now have in the White House. It is whether it's open borders, illegal immigration.
00:15:07.220Now, Biden seems to be out trying to start a war by saying things, having a secretary of defense say things like we want a weak Russia.
00:15:16.360Are you kidding? Yeah, this is a government that is utterly out of control.
00:15:22.220So let me let me turn to a couple of points you made.
00:15:26.840And one of the points I think that I would like to really emphasize is Mike is financing this entire effort.
00:15:34.440And I will tell you, folks, he's got his own law firm.
00:15:38.180I mean, I don't know how many lawyers you have either working for you directly or under contract or retainer.
00:15:46.600How many lawyers do you have working on machines?
00:15:49.940It was over 40, but now I trimmed about 10 off of that because they were very upsetting.
00:15:56.700They tried to they were tried to steer things.
00:16:00.300They they all of a sudden became marketers and cyber guys.
00:17:00.180Well, Obama changed this in around 2008 or 2009 to where you could just email in your request for your ballot and the emails went back and forth.
00:17:09.620Well, this is the way 99 percent of them, maybe even higher than that, come into our country.
00:17:14.840So if you're overseas and you're in the military and you email in your request, you get back an email, you check it off, whoever you want, there's no ID required, no nothing.
00:17:41.500Now, on the night of the election, two people sit there and they press the button and it prints it out on printer paper, just typing paper.
00:20:23.040That's why Biden never came out during the campaign, because he didn't have to.
00:20:28.000When you got everything, when you're going to steal and rig an election and you already got a rigged game, you don't have to practice for a football game, Lou, if the whole thing is rigged.
00:20:41.700Because the White House is even talking about, you know, they're not going to be that worried about it all.
00:20:47.180Obama is saying basically the same thing.
00:20:49.560Obama out giving speeches about censoring the press, censoring public free speech.
00:20:56.300I mean, this is a Democrat party that is, I think it resembles more of foreign leftist party, Marxist party, than anything that resembles the American Democrat party of old.
00:21:18.340Well, we skipped right over socialism to communism.
00:21:21.360And I tell everyone, you know, if you were in college and they, you know, as China infiltrated our colleges, and by the way, 90% of this attack, the cyber attack came from physical buildings in China.
00:21:33.860And that's just a little tidbit there.
00:21:37.120But I tell people that all went to college and they thought that socialism was just having a cup of coffee with your friend, socializing.
00:21:45.220Well, now I'll tell you what, they're learning real fast what that manifests to, which is communism.
00:21:50.160And, and I've talked to so many of my employees, I have 2,700 employees, and there's Democrats, liberals, conservatives, independents, Republicans, every walks of life, Asian, Asian, black, white, Hispanic, it doesn't matter.
00:22:08.240And one of the things, we don't have, none of them have any argument about politics anymore, because they're all going, hey, we as a people, none of, nobody liked what's going on.
00:22:39.700So everybody had a taste of what politicians could do if they made decisions for the people, common sense decisions.
00:22:48.180And everybody, I don't care who you are.
00:22:50.760If they say anything different, they're lying.
00:22:53.180And, and now we see just the opposite of that, what communism can do.
00:22:57.340And you don't have to look too far to the first country that was taken way back when, in the early 2000s, when they put computerized voting in, and that was Venezuela.
00:23:05.980I've had to look at the history of the voting machines and, and the computers used in elections.
00:23:12.020And Lou, it's, it's absolutely, it's horrific what's went on out there.
00:23:17.460When people, if people really knew the history and this, the names have changed throughout the last couple of decades.
00:23:46.520It's, it's very scary, everybody, but, but they're, but we, you know what?
00:23:50.880We're in a great position because we've got all the pieces that, you know, God has provided with everything.
00:23:57.100What if we sat here and we didn't have any of, you know, all this stuff wasn't getting revealed and all the evidence of this crime and all the, and all the, all the, the bad people and the bad platforms that have bubbled up, you know, heck we trusted Fox news.
00:24:14.280And all of a sudden, boom, they don't, they go, they go Fox on us.
00:24:17.900You know, Newsmax, Lou, conservative media, they couldn't have done this without knowing that they were going to silence the conservative media.
00:24:26.440I'm, I, they couldn't have, they couldn't have pulled it off.
00:24:28.840There's no way they had to use lawfare and everything else.
00:24:34.100I just want to explain to the audience something.
00:24:37.600I'm one of the people named in a lawsuit from my tenure at Fox, a defamation suit by one of those voting machine companies.
00:24:49.440By the way, they only did one part of, I think, Los Angeles County.
00:24:53.680Uh, that was their total involvement in the American elections.
00:24:57.020Uh, and they're suing Fox for $2.7 billion for defamation.
00:25:02.840Uh, and that represents, uh, quite an issue for me because I, uh, when I talk about voting machines, I am, you know, I've got lawyers who said, you know, be very, uh, circumspect.
00:25:14.600And I'm not, as you know, Mike, a very circumspect fellow, I don't understand the lawsuit because basically what I said was I want an investigation of every voting machine company in the country.
00:25:27.500If it weren't for Mike Lindell, for example, we would have been, uh, there would be no knowledge about those voting machine companies role in the election.
00:25:40.960For example, there are a number of questions here that arise just to everyone watching.
00:25:44.500Uh, what were we seeing on television that night, election night, when people are moving ballots around and they had all sorts of, uh, sort of silly explanations in particular in, uh, Georgia, in Arizona, in Wisconsin, uh, Michigan peculiarities that deserve to be.
00:26:07.320Well, yeah, I call them deviations Lou.
00:26:11.420And here, here's an example in Michigan, 106,000 votes in the middle of the night dropped for Biden.
00:26:18.700And there was like 3000 for Donald Trump.
00:26:21.020And they'd said the excuse was, well, those were mail-in votes.
00:26:25.940Well, and everyone's going, Oh man, that's a lot.
00:26:29.500I can't believe they all voted for, they all voted for Biden in the inner city, blah, blah, blah.
00:26:35.420But here's the reality, the mail-in votes in Michigan, everybody were counted on the morning of the third, where did, so the question is, where did those 106,000 votes come from?
00:26:49.180Those are names in our country, Lou, seven states have more voters than registered voters.
00:26:56.820They, and, and then you have one state, Pennsylvania has more votes than voters in the whole state.
00:27:02.260So this is, you have, and then you have counties and counties and more counties that all have more, more people that voted that live in the counties.
00:27:10.920I mean, this is throughout our whole country and this is all done, it's computerized.
00:27:15.640I, I've said it before, Lou, you talk about deviations.
00:27:33.640I dig in and find out why, or if it's a radio station, why did they do less than they normally would?
00:27:39.800If it's a, if it's a deviation and then you learn, I mean, just interrupt Mike's talking about, uh, stations that are advertising from which he's getting orders for all of his, uh, my pillow products.
00:28:34.580Here's what they can do with computers that you could never do with by, by, um, I call it organic cheating, the old fashioned cheating.
00:28:43.020You know, let's say you have in Minnesota, you have, uh, people running down and ballot harvesting, or you're doing, or you're signing for your uncle or whatever it is.
00:28:51.780And you're grabbing his ballot or, or you're counting, you're in the counting room or whatever you can only cheat so much at the, at that point.
00:28:59.180But when you're going to cheat and you're going to fool a whole country and you've got computers to do it, you're not going to do it Lou with a big deviation.
00:29:18.240So in North Dakota, if the, if the final count came in, Donald Trump won 400,000 to Biden's 1000 votes, everyone in this country, including Republicans would say, um, that's a computer error.
00:29:33.420They wouldn't say that all the Donald Trump people marched across and cheated, uh, just like, and, and so they had to do it with computers to steal through every state at every single state, all 50 states.
00:30:01.600No, Donald Trump was a six point favorite.
00:30:04.960I knew this going in from internal polls that I had done ahead in the election.
00:30:08.820They did that and did that and did that because they really in, in Wisconsin, Donald Trump won by almost a quarter million votes and they got them losing by 20,000.
00:30:28.360This is why they do, when you talk about deviations, everybody, you have to get a different input to get a different output.
00:30:35.160So when you look at the night of the election, one of the states was Arizona when that, when that took one week to count the last 2% of the votes took one week to count the last 2%.
00:30:47.080Well, I looked at what was left to be counted based on other years and based on that, Donald Trump would pass and he'd win by 80,000 votes in spite of all the cheating and they, and they completely kept it for a week.
00:31:40.940And not to have, I mean, we've become a third world country in terms of our elections world countries don't have to put up with this for crying out loud.
00:31:50.340No, we have voting seasons instead of voting day.
00:32:00.280I mean, these are the things you, you know, it should be election day and that's it.
00:32:04.880And, uh, you can't, why all this stuff that is manifested, all these, all these things that changed, especially in the 2020 election though, they've all got to go away.
00:32:15.680And you know what that's going to take Lou, that's going to take the Supreme court.