The Great America Show - The Great America Saturday Show： January 18, 2025

00:00:00.000 Hello, everybody, and welcome to The Great America Show.

00:00:05.140 It's great to have you with us.

00:00:06.220 Thanks so much for joining us.

00:00:07.320 I hope you all had a great weekend.

00:00:08.740 And as I often say here, I hope your New Year is off to a great start and it's more prosperous

00:00:13.760 than the last one.

00:00:15.060 And it can't be any worse than the last one or the last three, I should say, with Joe

00:00:19.820 Biden as our president.

00:00:21.740 Folks, China has been a massive issue for America, and it hasn't just been for the last

00:00:26.700 four years.

00:00:27.140 It's been for the last eight years.

00:00:28.800 It's unleashing COVID on the world, killing over a million Americans, millions globally,

00:00:36.060 never paying the price for what they did and the damage they caused on this country.

00:00:40.240 We now find out there's another unusual phenomenon going on in China, according to the WHO.

00:00:47.400 The folks there checking into hospitals at an unusually high rate for respiratory issues

00:00:53.680 sounds awfully similar to what we heard back in December of 2020.

00:01:00.200 But the WHO says there's nothing unusual.

00:01:02.940 Don't worry about it.

00:01:04.300 I'm sure business is fine.

00:01:05.580 So are we to sit back and allow China to do what they did to us once again? 0.99

00:01:10.420 I hope not.

00:01:11.260 With President Trump coming in in just a few days now, I hope he'll get the ball rolling

00:01:17.060 on day one with China.

00:01:19.280 This new sickness respiratory issue is not the only thing China's been up to.

00:01:24.580 Last week, we find out that the CCP hacked into the Treasury Department.

00:01:31.080 Huh.

00:01:32.080 But our Treasury Secretary, Janet Yellen, says it's okay because our relationships with China

00:01:38.860 have become much more constructive.

00:01:41.220 It's all right.

00:01:42.000 They're allowed to hack in.

00:01:43.440 They're allowed to do whatever they want.

00:01:45.420 It's all in good fun and good play.

00:01:49.520 Unbelievable.

00:01:50.940 Our guest today is Gordon Chang.

00:01:52.340 He's the author of Plan Red, China's Project to Destroy America. 0.99

00:01:56.300 China expert, attorney, and a great American.

00:01:59.680 Gordon, it's great to have you back here on The Great America Show.

00:02:01.860 Thanks so much for joining us today.

00:02:03.660 It's always a delight to have you.

00:02:05.500 I want to start with first, Gordon, the Treasury getting hacked by China. 1.00

00:02:10.440 Now, we know China is prolific hackers and deceitful players, but when I see Americans 1.00

00:02:17.340 and the American government come to the defense of China after they've just successfully hacked

00:02:21.220 our Treasury Department, we've got Janet Yellen saying, well, China hacked the Treasury,

00:02:26.520 but we built a much more constructive relationship with them after they decided to hack us.

00:02:32.660 That starts to ring a little bit of alarm bells in my head, especially when they've breached the part of the Treasury

00:02:42.100 that manages investments, and I think it poses a massive national security risk, among many other things.

00:02:48.540 What's your thoughts?

00:02:49.740 So we've got Janet Yellen now defending the CCP. 1.00

00:02:52.840 Is she auditioning for her next job after January 20th?

00:02:57.200 Janet Yellen has never said anything good about China.

00:03:02.180 Sorry.

00:03:02.800 Can I do it again?

00:03:03.680 Sorry.

00:03:04.280 Yeah, go ahead.

00:03:04.780 Pick up.

00:03:05.760 Janet Yellen has been wrong about China from the beginning, and she's wrong about China now,

00:03:11.620 and her trips to Beijing last year were just simply disgraceful.

00:03:16.060 The problem here is that China has shown a malign intent, and she's trying to cooperate with a power 0.91

00:03:23.520 that is seeking to destroy the United States, and that's not me guessing about it.

00:03:28.860 This is the Communist Party talking about the United States.

00:03:32.580 In May 2019, we should remind Janet Yellen, the People's Daily, which is the most authoritative publication in China,

00:03:40.620 declared a people's war on us.

00:03:43.040 Now, she may think that that's just propaganda, but people's war is a phrase which has great

00:03:48.940 resonance in Communist Party history, and in 2023, the Chinese military very helpfully defined

00:03:56.840 people's war as total war, and we see this as China has attacked American society across the board. 0.89

00:04:05.260 Janet Yellen is part of a political class that does not understand what China is doing. 0.98

00:04:11.260 I don't know if it's intentional, but the point is she is a threat to the United States

00:04:17.460 because she's not defending our country with the vigor that is necessary.

00:04:21.900 You know, the aspect of, as I mentioned, of what they've got, they hacked into, I think the acronym for it is CEPHIS,

00:04:30.240 the Treasury Department's Committee on Foreign Investments in the U.S.,

00:04:34.520 and what they were specifically looking for and what that department entails is the real estate,

00:04:43.120 real estate investments in America from foreign nationals, and we've known now for the last two years or so,

00:04:50.140 three years or so, that China has been trying to buy up all types of farmland in this country,

00:04:55.460 and specifically land that surrounds military bases here in America.

00:05:01.040 Now, there's been great governors around this country, like Ron DeSantis in Florida, who have banned this.

00:05:07.580 Why is this even a thing?

00:05:08.860 How do we normalize, number one, how do we normalize China doing this to us? 0.91

00:05:13.940 Once again, I mean, if you look back four years ago, there's far worse things that China's done to us,

00:05:18.600 but it just never seems to end, the attacks from China, as they continue to be swept under the rug.

00:05:24.880 And I mean, even going back to the Trump administration, what retribution was there for COVID?

00:05:29.820 Now, he says, well, there was going to be retribution if he'd taken office again in 2020.

00:05:35.320 We'll see this time around, but I'm not optimistic, as we've constantly let China off the hook time and time again 1.00

00:05:41.780 after their genocide of COVID. 0.68

00:05:43.820 Now they're back again with the hacks.

00:05:45.880 We've seen some other hacks that have happened in the private sector over the last few years.

00:05:50.900 CrowdStrike shutting down Delta Airlines.

00:05:53.220 I'm not entirely sure that was not China.

00:05:56.520 You know, you can never really rule them out because they have such an interest in every single thing we do.

00:06:02.340 So, sorry, getting back to the question, how is this even a thing?

00:06:06.160 How are we even at the point right now where we're allowing China to continue to buy our land and our military bases, number one?

00:06:12.760 And how have we allowed our systems to be so vulnerable to allow these people to get into them?

00:06:19.540 Well, fundamentally, the problem is that we do not think that we're in a society that is subject to malicious attacks.

00:06:28.580 We think we're at peace, and China thinks it's at war.

00:06:33.820 Not only people's war, it's unrestricted warfare.

00:06:37.780 And we have seen this with, as you point out, COVID.

00:06:40.580 That's 1.2 million Americans dead, according to Johns Hopkins.

00:06:44.380 With fentanyl, that's 70,000 to 75,000 Americans die each year from a project of the Communist Party. 0.93

00:06:51.820 These are not just criminal gangs.

00:06:53.480 This is run by the Communist Party.

00:06:55.380 This is murder.

00:06:56.880 70,000 to 75,000 Americans each year are murdered by the Communist Party.

00:07:02.460 We are afraid to confront that reality.

00:07:07.280 And that is our problem.

00:07:09.020 And this is not just Biden.

00:07:11.080 This is also Republicans.

00:07:13.560 This is liberals and conservatives.

00:07:15.680 There are villains across the board.

00:07:17.940 We have a political system that is not willing to talk to the American people about what is occurring.

00:07:22.600 And because of that, we are not protecting our farmland.

00:07:26.840 We are not protecting our people.

00:07:29.200 We're not protecting our computer networks.

00:07:31.660 All the things you talk about.

00:07:34.140 At what point, Gordon, do the American people wake up?

00:07:36.740 Under our eyes here in New York where I live, we've watched secret Chinese police stations occupy Chinatown. 0.88

00:07:43.560 If they're catching that, Gordon, that's what the Chinese people wanted them to catch. 1.00

00:07:47.860 So, in other words, where there's smoke, there's fire.

00:07:51.100 Well, Lou used to tell me if something doesn't seem right, you lift up the rug and there's probably a mouse under there.

00:07:56.000 I think they've got a whole bunch of rats that are sitting under a carpet somewhere. 0.76

00:07:59.340 But how deep does this rotten corruption go? 0.96

00:08:01.840 Like I said, we have Chinese police stations effectively operating under their own jurisdiction.

00:08:08.520 Under our eyes, we know everything that goes on in this country.

00:08:11.740 The FBI, the NSA, the CIA, through the Patriot Act, is able to spy on each and every single one of us as Americans.

00:08:19.440 How do they not know what's going on under our eyes with the police state that's being run right here, right now, in America by China? 0.98

00:08:27.300 I don't know the answer to that question.

00:08:30.000 That scares me, Gordon, that you don't know.

00:08:32.140 I mean, I tend to think it's because we have a failure to appreciate and understand what China's doing, but also it's greed.

00:08:43.080 It's also we've got governors who have been compromised by China.

00:08:47.480 The list just goes on and on.

00:08:49.860 I mean, you talk about the police stations.

00:08:51.940 Yes, I'm happy the FBI closed the one in Chinatown in New York.

00:08:56.160 But according to New York Post and Daily Caller reporting, there are seven to nine other police stations that China operates across our country.

00:09:06.540 So this is a disease.

00:09:09.860 And as I said, you know, you've got a president right now who's apparently his family taken millions of dollars from China.

00:09:17.000 But we have not had a president since Eisenhower willing to talk to the American people.

00:09:23.880 Xi Jinping talks to the Chinese people about going to war all the time.

00:09:28.060 He's preparing his society to go to war.

00:09:31.380 I mean, it's not only the fastest military buildup since the Second World War.

00:09:35.480 We are seeing them stockpiling grain and other commodities.

00:09:38.880 They're trying to sanction proof for their regime.

00:09:41.700 Xi Jinping is firing military officers who are opposed to going to war.

00:09:45.380 That big spy balloon that passed over our country in January and February of two years ago, that was surveying our nuclear weapons site.

00:09:57.220 China is preparing its civilians to go to war there.

00:09:59.960 It's total society mobilization.

00:10:02.340 And we have not had President Biden talk to the American people about this.

00:10:07.880 The answer to your question is, when do we wake up?

00:10:10.560 Unfortunately, it's when China kills a lot of American servicemen and women. 1.00

00:10:17.280 So the 1.2 million Americans that the Chinese killed, the CCP killed, Xi Jinping killed, I guess wasn't enough for a wake-up call for our U.S. leaders, for our government, for our Congresses to act.

00:10:29.700 Is that right?

00:10:30.640 That's right.

00:10:31.360 It's not only the COVID deaths.

00:10:33.520 We can argue COVID deaths.

00:10:35.020 Some people say, oh, it wasn't as many.

00:10:38.000 Any number above zero is unacceptable because this was a deliberate plan.

00:10:43.880 We don't know how COVID got out into the Chinese population, probably a lab leak from the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

00:10:51.600 But, John, we do know one thing, that once this disease got out into central China, Xi Jinping deliberately spread it beyond his borders.

00:10:59.080 For at least five weeks and probably longer, he lied about transmissibility of the disease, telling us that it was not contagious.

00:11:07.680 And then while he was locking down his own country, yes, lockdowns are controversial, but by locking down his own country, he was telling the world he thought that was an effective way to stop disease.

00:11:17.840 So, while this guy was locking down his own country, he was pressuring others, including the United States, to take passengers from China without restrictions.

00:11:27.440 That's how this disease spread and became a global pandemic.

00:11:31.660 The thing that's great.

00:11:32.520 That's murder.

00:11:33.320 Absolutely.

00:11:34.080 And genocide, what I've said from the beginning, I think it is, and you say it as well. 0.97

00:11:37.920 It is genocide.

00:11:38.600 If you look at the Genocide Convention of 1948, the definition of genocide, Xi Jinping killing foreigners meets the definition of a genocide.

00:11:50.540 And we have not had the political will to declare that.

00:11:56.000 So, the way I look at it is this, Gordon.

00:11:58.280 We're going to call it genocide because that's what I believe it is. 0.54

00:12:00.520 That's what you believe it is.

00:12:01.520 But at the same time, we can't dance around and say, well, we don't know if he leaked it on purpose.

00:12:07.640 Because there's not a doubt in my mind.

00:12:09.740 I don't think there was a doubt in Liu's mind.

00:12:11.560 There's probably not a doubt in your mind that he did it on purpose.

00:12:16.100 China doesn't do things on accident.

00:12:18.520 They may not be good at making things that last long and work, appliances, electronics, whatever you want to call it.

00:12:25.980 But Xi Jinping and his CCP are extremely smart and they're very calculated.

00:12:31.900 I don't think, especially in China, where everything is under government control.

00:12:37.320 Every aspect of that country, every aspect of that private sector, whether it be Apple, whether it be Tesla, whether it be any sort of Hisense, TCL, everything is under government regulation under the government's eye.

00:12:51.140 So you can't sit here, and I'm not saying you, but I'm saying generally speaking, you can't sit here and tell me Xi Jinping and the CCP didn't know what was going on in the Wuhan lab of virology.

00:13:01.420 He didn't know that they were working on a bioweapon that came out.

00:13:05.200 And then if you just look at the construction around how the things came out, you had people here in America telling us, well, maybe it came from North Carolina.

00:13:11.520 Maybe it came, it's, I think the proof is in the pudding, the way everything happened, the deceptiveness of it all.

00:13:20.400 There's not a doubt in my mind that thing came out of the lab and it came out of the lab on purpose.

00:13:24.660 And it was created as an experiment to see how many people we can kill.

00:13:28.640 And we're going to talk about the other one now that's maybe coming out of China, but I want to get your reaction on that first, Gordon.

00:13:33.760 Oh, well, first of all, yes, we know that the Wuhan Institute of Virology was involved in gain-of-function research on coronaviruses.

00:13:42.560 And we know this because there have been scientific papers published about what was happening at Wuhan.

00:13:49.620 They talked about their coronavirus gain-of-function research.

00:13:55.160 We know that the lab was not following safety protocols.

00:13:59.140 There was a State Department investigative team there, and we know from other reporting that that was the case.

00:14:07.800 We know from the makeup of SARS-CoV-2, the pathogen that causes this disease, that it was almost certainly manipulated.

00:14:16.320 We know all sorts of things.

00:14:18.100 And we also know something else.

00:14:20.120 And this is an issue for our scientific community.

00:14:22.860 They have been trying to make the case that this was a zoonotic, in other words, a natural transfer from bats in basically Yunnan province, which is in the south of China, which was transmitted by an intermediary mammal to bats 1,000 miles away in Wuhan.

00:14:40.380 There's been no evidence of that.

00:14:43.080 And yet our scientists keep on saying that that is the case.

00:14:46.640 But we know that the circumstantial evidence points like 99.99% to an accidental lab leak from the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

00:14:58.000 And there's that 100% we know that once this disease got out into the Chinese public, 100%, John, 100% that they spread this beyond China's borders. 0.98

00:15:07.400 That's murder.

00:15:08.500 That's genocide.

00:15:09.940 So let me ask you this, Gordon.

00:15:11.020 If you're saying that's the case, and it accidentally spread, but then they intentionally spread it afterwards, where's your beyond a reasonable doubt that it wasn't released on purpose?

00:15:23.280 Yeah, we don't know the intent.

00:15:25.420 I mean, we know that the failure to maintain safety protocols was a consistent failure at the Wuhan Institute of Virology. 0.80

00:15:34.340 Now, Chinese nationals will tell you that this was a deliberate spread, that they wanted to kill old Chinese. 1.00

00:15:43.660 When that shows you as a reflection of the cynicism in Chinese society, I don't think we have evidence of that.

00:15:51.780 But as I said, there was, once this disease got out, 100%, we know that they decided to spread it to the rest of the world.

00:15:59.440 That's 7 million people outside China died from COVID, according to most estimates.

00:16:06.180 That's a greater death toll than the genocide of the Third Reich.

00:16:11.600 Yeah, and we also don't have evidence to the converse, as I said before, that it wasn't released on purpose with a reason to do so.

00:16:18.640 So, and like I said, we have every, in my opinion, we have every right and every reason to believe so.

00:16:25.480 With what we've seen China do to us over the, I mean, it's not even just the last four years.

00:16:31.120 It's not the last 10 years.

00:16:32.180 It's the last quarter century with the Belt and Road Initiative and the mass deceptiveness that this country has done to us and to the rest of the world.

00:16:40.240 And the rest of the world lets them get away with it.

00:16:42.540 We're America.

00:16:43.280 We're the greatest country in the world.

00:16:44.420 And I'm not saying we should be dropping bombs over there and sending troops on the ground, but to let them get away with what they've gotten away with, it just doesn't sit right with me.

00:16:53.960 And we continue to do business with them.

00:16:56.220 We continue to let them own Elon Musk and his manufacturing and the batteries for his car.

00:17:02.100 We let them own Tim Cook and Apple and these cell phones that we use.

00:17:06.880 Who knows what's in these cell phones that, you know, that we get sent over here from China.

00:17:10.760 I ordered a brand new Apple computer, Gordon.

00:17:12.780 It didn't come from wherever the hell they say it comes from, Palo Alto, California or wherever.

00:17:17.200 It came right from China.

00:17:18.680 So they're not even hiding the fact anymore, Gordon, that we are the CCP.

00:17:24.360 It's the USA CCP because we are so reliant on them in every little aspect of everything we do.

00:17:31.340 You know, at one time that was true, but right now China is so reliant on the United States and we're not nearly as reliant on them.

00:17:41.760 And the reason is that Xi Jinping has turned his back on consumption as the basis of the Chinese economy.

00:17:48.340 So his only plan to rescue his economy is to export to the world, which means he's put his fate in our hands.

00:17:56.360 We are the world's largest market.

00:17:58.380 Our market is irreplaceable.

00:18:00.200 So we no longer have an excuse.

00:18:03.500 I mean, this is just a complete failure of our political will.

00:18:07.800 And that's on us.

00:18:09.740 You know, regardless of everything else, we know that China is using the profits from trade and they're using the proceeds from investment to build their military, which is configured to kill Americans. 0.67

00:18:23.980 So this is not only strategically wrong, it is morally wrong.

00:18:29.000 And we need a president who will sever those ties because our lives of Americans, the life of a single American, not to mention tens of thousands of Americans that we lose each year is more precious than the profits of our companies.

00:18:44.660 We can reduplicate those profits in other countries.

00:18:48.780 This is on us.

00:18:51.140 I want to take a quick break here, folks.

00:18:53.700 We're talking with Gordon Chang.

00:18:54.980 He's the author of the all new book, Plan Red, China's Project to Destroy America.

00:18:59.180 We recommend it to you highly.

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00:19:02.660 But Gordon, from what you're saying, China's in a very vulnerable position right now.

00:19:07.420 And when we return, I want to get your take on why are we not kicking the dog while they're down? 0.95

00:19:13.100 I think they deserve to be kicked harder than than anything that's ever been kicked before after laying out for the last 15 minutes.

00:19:19.880 All the things that they've done to us just in the last four years, not going back 25 years, like I said before, the Belt and Road Initiative, biggest, probably one of the biggest scams in history. 0.97

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00:20:43.960 Folks, we're back.

00:20:44.880 We're talking with Gordon Chang.

00:20:45.760 He's the author of the all-new book, Plan Red, China's Project to Destroy America.

00:20:50.200 You can get your copy on Amazon.com or wherever you guys get your books.

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00:20:57.600 At Gordon G. Chang, G-O-R-D-O-N-G-C-H-A-N-G. 0.92

00:21:04.360 Gordon G. Chang.

00:21:05.460 And once again, the book is Plan Red, China's Project to Destroy America. 0.94

00:21:09.100 Gordon, before we went to break there, I had a very good question for you.

00:21:12.760 You say China's very vulnerable right now.

00:21:14.660 They're relying on the U.S. to carry them across the finish line and everything they do.

00:21:18.280 Why are we not kicking them while they're down?

00:21:21.040 Why are we not giving them retribution where they deserve?

00:21:23.580 Why are we not not paying our bills to them?

00:21:26.040 Why are we not withholding the money we owe them?

00:21:28.500 I think that would just be a tiny start.

00:21:32.180 Tiny start to the debt that they're in to us.

00:21:35.880 Yes.

00:21:37.860 And before I answer your question, let's remember, you know, President Trump at the end of his term and during the campaign talked about reparations from China.

00:21:49.520 We need to do this.

00:21:50.880 And for a very simple reason, you know, even if you are willing to ignore all that's going on in the past, and by no means we should, got to remember that Chinese technicians in their laboratories are working on what they call specific ethnic genetic attacks. 0.93

00:22:07.760 Those are attacks by pathogens that will leave the Chinese immune and sicken and kill everybody else. 0.83

00:22:13.620 Because Xi Jinping now realizes, he has to realize, he knows that he deliberately spread this disease beyond China's borders.

00:22:22.820 He knows he's killed 7 million foreigners. 0.98

00:22:26.160 He knows that there's been no cost imposed on China.

00:22:29.620 No one's holding him accountable.

00:22:32.420 And so Xi Jinping in his own mind is saying, well, I just killed 7 million people.

00:22:37.440 You know, let me do this again.

00:22:39.420 Because he does believe that he needs to take down the United States.

00:22:44.060 So there's no deterrent.

00:22:45.600 We have to establish that deterrent.

00:22:48.140 And, for instance, confiscating China's foreign exchange reserves, that's one thing we can do.

00:22:54.360 We can cut off trade.

00:22:55.680 We can cut off investment, technical cooperation.

00:22:58.500 These are things that we need to do to impose those costs on China so that he doesn't release another disease in addition to everything else. 0.97

00:23:06.280 You know, on your question, with Biden, because Biden, president right now, at least in name, there's two things.

00:23:19.760 We know that his family took a lot of money from China in circumstances that scream corruption.

00:23:26.140 And that's a long story.

00:23:28.720 I can go through it if you want.

00:23:30.140 But the other point is, it may not be the entire explanation.

00:23:34.620 And that is, remember, Robert Gates, who was defense secretary at the end of George W. Bush's administration and the beginning of Barack Obama's, famously wrote in his 2014 memoir that Joe Biden has been wrong on nearly every foreign policy and national security matter of the past four decades.

00:23:52.540 So whether we're talking about corruption or whether we're talking about someone who is just misguided, Biden has not imposed those costs on China.

00:24:01.780 And he now leaves it to the incoming President Trump to do that.

00:24:06.140 I hope that Trump will do that.

00:24:08.500 There are indications that he won't.

00:24:12.020 You know, all of this is up in the air.

00:24:13.520 We'll only know for sure when President Trump takes the oath of office.

00:24:17.100 But we need to make sure that President Trump is as good as his word to the American people about China.

00:24:23.920 Yeah, I absolutely agree with you.

00:24:25.840 And, you know, like you say, he's released this on the world and all the genetic phenoms that they're working on right now in the lab to try to make themselves immune.

00:24:34.580 We now find out the WHO, nonetheless, which I think is going to be one of Trump's hundred executive orders on day one to get the heck out of that place, because they're just I mean, they're owned by the CCP.

00:24:47.280 Tedros Adhan was owned by the CCP and Xi Jinping during COVID.

00:24:51.800 That man's a criminal, along with Dr.

00:24:53.720 Anthony Fauci, in my opinion.

00:24:54.880 But the WHO told the Global Times, which is the CCP's, one of their propaganda state run outlets, that this new unusual surge in respiratory infections, cases at the Chinese hospitals, is unusual, but no emergency declarations have been issued and none yet, because it seems like it's just nothing.

00:25:16.960 Gordon, this is the same storyline that we heard from COVID.

00:25:20.780 It's non-transmissible, transmissible from human to human.

00:25:24.060 It came from, we'd only go from animals to animals.

00:25:26.520 We'll go down to the wet market. 1.00

00:25:27.600 We'll kill every single anteater down there. 1.00

00:25:29.380 We'll kill all the dogs. 1.00

00:25:30.240 We'll call the cats, the squirrel, whatever you want to, whatever they eat over there. 1.00

00:25:34.080 We'll kill that all. 0.99

00:25:35.060 And that should get rid of it. 1.00

00:25:36.720 It seems now, I don't know.

00:25:38.420 It's still too early to tell, but I want to err on the side of caution this time.

00:25:42.460 I was one of the first people at Fox News to get COVID.

00:25:44.720 You probably recall.

00:25:46.040 I sent the place into lockdown.

00:25:47.700 I sent everyone working from home.

00:25:49.020 So everyone at that place owes me a great deal of debt and gratitude because I started work from home, Fox News.

00:25:55.220 But I don't want to go through it again, Gordon.

00:25:57.960 I don't want to go through the lockdowns again.

00:25:59.520 I don't want my friends' restaurants being shut down.

00:26:01.340 I don't want grocery stores being shut down.

00:26:03.340 I don't want to deal with it again.

00:26:04.780 Is this another mass deception by the CCP and the WHO to test out their next virus?

00:26:12.460 Yeah.

00:26:13.360 There's all sorts of diseases right now floating around China.

00:26:17.040 It's winter.

00:26:18.060 And China has traditionally been the world's generator of mass disease. 0.99

00:26:25.420 This is even before the Communist Party.

00:26:27.480 Communist Party has made it worse because of the reason you've said, you pointed out, and that is that they lie about this.

00:26:34.780 They lie about it for, God knows, any number of reasons.

00:26:38.900 But the point is, yeah, they don't want the world to understand China's responsibility for death. 0.90

00:26:47.680 And because of that, we saw this in COVID very clearly.

00:26:51.940 And I think we're seeing the same dynamic now.

00:26:55.800 I don't know if this disease is as deadly as COVID, but it is fatal.

00:27:00.060 And there has been an American fatality from bird flu, which is the Chinese disease.

00:27:06.900 So it's here already.

00:27:10.040 Hopefully, this is not a replay of 2019.

00:27:14.620 But whatever it is, we need, for any number of different reasons, including this one, to sever travel with China.

00:27:22.820 We should not be having our planes going there or their planes coming here. 0.96

00:27:26.580 We should be evacuating Americans out of China for any number of different reasons, including this one. 1.00

00:27:33.780 This is just something that shows the failure of our policymakers to understand the threat from China.

00:27:41.140 Yeah, I think you're absolutely right.

00:27:44.560 You know, for a little bit of time after COVID-19, we sort of saw America and the rest of the world branching away from China when it came to making of things.

00:27:55.160 You'd buy something it would now say made in Indonesia.

00:27:58.080 Even for a short while, you'd buy something from Apple.

00:28:01.080 And I forgot where it was made, but maybe Thailand or Bangladesh, whatever, where it was made.

00:28:06.140 It was out of China.

00:28:07.460 And we sort of, the world was angry at China, but they did nothing about it. 0.92

00:28:11.440 But we sort of saw the manufacturers start to sway away.

00:28:15.020 But something pulled them right back in.

00:28:18.480 How do we begin, Gordon, to get these manufacturers?

00:28:21.120 Now, it doesn't help that Elon Musk and Donald Trump are best friends, and Elon Musk is in the pocket of Xi Jinping.

00:28:28.900 That doesn't help.

00:28:30.000 Tim Cook, it also doesn't help that he produces almost every single piece of Apple technology.

00:28:36.100 And when I mean that, when I say that, I mean that China owns every single patent, every single technology that Apple owns.

00:28:43.440 Whatever Apple has, China has. 0.99

00:28:45.500 Whatever Tesla has, China has. 0.99

00:28:47.220 Will the Chinese make it as good as Apple or Tesla? 1.00

00:28:51.040 Probably not, because they try to cut corners at every cost, which is why I'm not particularly too scared about going to war with China.

00:28:58.280 Nothing they ever seem to do works.

00:29:01.080 We might see some missiles come off, come up in the air, and come right back down on them if they're using their Chinese technology of cutting corners. 1.00

00:29:07.560 But do you think we can see over the next four years of Donald Trump, these companies, him working with Tim Cook, him working with Elon Musk to get the heck out of China?

00:29:19.220 I mean, I think there's no better revenge, even including military power, than pulling our manufacturing out of there.

00:29:28.440 It'll absolutely cripple the place.

00:29:30.240 It'll cripple the government.

00:29:31.100 It'll cripple the people, which sucks to do to the people, but we need to be America first at the end of the day.

00:29:38.320 Do you think Donald Trump, if there's anyone who can do it, I think it's him, but do you think he can do it to get these manufacturers finally out of there, get our pharmaceuticals out of there?

00:29:46.740 Sorry, go ahead.

00:29:47.440 Yeah, there's two ways that he can do that.

00:29:50.400 First of all, during the campaign, he talked about tariffs on China.

00:29:53.520 As we know, in his various conversations, especially with Fox Business, Maria Bartiromo, he said he's going to impose tariffs of more than 60% across the board on Chinese goods.

00:30:07.320 And then, of course, he said that he would impose an additional 10% tariff on China for fentanyl.

00:30:13.220 So that's more than 70%.

00:30:15.340 You add those two together.

00:30:18.080 That's one thing.

00:30:19.040 Second thing is just I hope that President Trump just enforces U.S. law, specifically the Tariff Act of 1930.

00:30:29.660 Tariff Act of 1930 bars the importation into the United States of goods made with forced labor.

00:30:37.500 All or virtually all of China's green products are made with forced labor, and many of China's other products are also made with forced labor.

00:30:46.480 Right.

00:30:46.660 So we should not recall what it is, it's slave labor.

00:30:50.580 For many of them, for the Uyghurs, the Kha'Zix, and the other Turkic minorities, the stuff they make, that is slave labor. 1.00

00:30:56.720 They're slaves.

00:30:57.120 And by the way, that iPhone that you showed us a few moments ago, that is Apple.

00:31:04.540 Apple has been known to use products, components from Lens Technology, a Chinese company.

00:31:10.920 Lens Technology does use forced labor.

00:31:14.280 So, you know, Apple has all sorts of labor problems in China, and forced labor is one of them.

00:31:22.200 And that's forced labor of Uyghurs, by the way, a racial minority. 1.00

00:31:25.920 So those two things, tariffs and just merely enforce the Tariff Act of 1930, we can stop a lot of this commerce into our country.

00:31:35.420 We should not be enjoying the benefits of genocide.

00:31:39.460 And in addition, when we buy products made under a genocidal program, which is forced labor of Uyghurs is, we're financing China's genocide. 0.99

00:31:50.460 Right.

00:31:50.600 I mean, it's just, this is just wrong.

00:31:52.820 Remember, Secretary Pompeo had a formal declaration that China was committing genocide.

00:31:59.140 Antony Blinken actually affirmed that declaration of genocide.

00:32:03.680 So this is bipartisan.

00:32:06.160 They're committing genocide.

00:32:07.420 We should have no part of this.

00:32:09.220 Right.

00:32:09.340 You know, the other thing, too, Gordon, is I don't care about paying an extra few percent on products.

00:32:16.140 We've gotten used to at this point, Gordon, with inflation through the roof on everything.

00:32:19.780 And that was inflation hitting household items.

00:32:22.160 The items we're buying from China.

00:32:24.400 Most of them are, you know, things that we that we want to buy for luxuries.

00:32:28.580 But whether it be TVs or cell phones or computers or things like that, I don't care about paying an extra two or three percent that these people cry is going to add on to the price of putting tariffs and getting it out of these countries.

00:32:43.120 If it means that we are now independent of China.

00:32:47.180 Like I said, we've experienced it over the course of the last four years, Gordon, with inflation through the roof on food, on bare necessities.

00:32:54.540 You know, you often hear people bitching and moaning about Trump adding tariffs over on Germany and all these.

00:33:02.760 OK, who's going to pay the price?

00:33:04.440 It's going to be the guy who's buying the Mercedes Benz.

00:33:06.320 Are we supposed to feel bad that he's going to pay an extra four percent to buy a Mercedes Benz, Gordon?

00:33:10.720 You know, time and time again, the left, the mainstream media and the left, they want to scare you and say, well, by Trump using these tariffs.

00:33:20.780 Well, we're going to get tariffs put back on us.

00:33:23.360 So, Gordon, the two biggest things that we import or the three biggest things we import are computers, computer parts, petroleum and cars.

00:33:32.840 So, you know what?

00:33:34.440 You want to talk about oil and gas?

00:33:36.160 We start drilling back in America again.

00:33:38.040 Boom.

00:33:38.300 There you go.

00:33:39.080 The luxury cars, as I just as I just mentioned, that's fine.

00:33:42.760 The rich man buying the Mercedes, the BMW, he could pay the extra two or three percent.

00:33:46.380 You can afford to buy the car.

00:33:47.660 You can afford the tax.

00:33:48.700 And I'm sure they'd figure out a way to cut it and subsidize it anyway.

00:33:52.060 And then the last one, computer parts, you buy a computer once every five, ten years.

00:33:56.460 OK, so you pay an extra four or five percent.

00:33:58.860 That's fine.

00:33:59.300 If they want to play that game with us, if China wants to play that game with us, if Germany and the rest of Europe wants to play that game with us, that's fine.

00:34:07.180 Because they're going to be the ones who are going to bear the brunt of it.

00:34:11.320 You remember what happened with the cheese and wine over in Europe and them having to melt down on the tax of it.

00:34:16.620 That's fine.

00:34:17.320 You guys want to put the tariff on us?

00:34:19.020 You need us more than we need you.

00:34:20.440 Don't ever forget that.

00:34:21.780 Go ahead.

00:34:22.800 Yeah, I've got some good news for you.

00:34:25.420 First of all, in 2018, when Trump imposed his 25 percent tariffs on China, we had a lot of policymakers.

00:34:34.380 You had a lot of analysts and economists wail about how this was going to be passed on to the American consumer.

00:34:39.920 Because they don't understand it, Gordon.

00:34:41.220 Newsflash to these guys.

00:34:43.940 In those 2018 tariffs, studies have been done.

00:34:47.120 China picked up somewhere, depending on the study, 75 to 81 percent of the cost of those tariffs.

00:34:53.880 The American consumer did not feel it at all.

00:34:56.620 Another thing.

00:34:57.920 We tend to think in tariffs in bilateral terms.

00:35:02.020 That if we impose a tariff on China, this is China-U.S. trade.

00:35:06.460 No.

00:35:07.160 Tariffs are multilateral.

00:35:08.960 This means once you impose a tariff on a country like China, factories move to other countries.

00:35:15.160 All sorts of things happen.

00:35:16.880 You have all sorts of substitution going on.

00:35:19.660 And so, therefore, the cost is not felt because we're not paying it.

00:35:25.620 So, you know, the point is, 2 to 3 percent tariffs, we're not going to feel it.

00:35:30.220 But we're not even going to have 2 to 3 percent increase in cost because of tariffs.

00:35:36.580 Right.

00:35:36.880 And if they want to make it so bad, there's going to be an equilibrium point, Gordon, where it won't make sense anymore if they want to do that to even buy from them.

00:35:45.580 It would make sense to buy from South America, which I think is going to see a boost in manufacturing and things like that coming over the next four years if President Trump does go through with doing all these things to China.

00:36:00.180 But if people need to get their heads out of the sand and realize it for what it is, if it does hit us on the purse at the end of the day, it'll all be better for all of us.

00:36:09.440 But like you had said, I don't think it does in the first place because China needs us more than we need them.

00:36:14.720 Who are they going to get to pick up all the stuff that we buy from them? 0.55

00:36:19.400 There's no other country that imports like America.

00:36:22.780 That's right.

00:36:23.320 And, you know, other countries around the world are following our lead in imposing additional tariffs on China.

00:36:29.480 And it's not just the developed world like the EU.

00:36:32.960 It's also countries like Turkey and Indonesia and the quote unquote global south, as China likes to call it, because nobody wants to have the Chinese decimate their local industries. 0.96

00:36:42.980 And so we are seeing across the world, northern hemisphere, southern hemisphere, global north, global south, countries are starting to impose costs on China and these tariffs.

00:36:54.960 Yeah, I think you're right.

00:36:55.780 I think a lot of people are going to fall in the lead of America, as they often usually do.

00:36:59.200 We are the greatest country in the world, Gordon.

00:37:01.060 We are the freest country in the world, or at least we were.

00:37:03.880 Or I think we're going to be again.

00:37:06.600 But there's no place like America.

00:37:08.240 You travel the world, Gordon.

00:37:09.720 You spent some time overseas in China, Hong Kong.

00:37:13.080 You know what it's like.

00:37:14.060 I travel a bunch.

00:37:14.940 And every time I'm abroad, I say to myself, whether I'm in Asia, whether I'm in Europe, whether I'm down in the Caribbean, I can't wait to get home.

00:37:22.860 I can't wait to be back home.

00:37:24.820 And just the thought of not being here absolutely terrifies me.

00:37:28.500 I would never do anything to be barred from this country.

00:37:31.120 I want to take a quick break here, Gordon.

00:37:32.860 We're talking with Gordon Chang.

00:37:33.940 He's the author of Plan Red, China's Project to Destroy America. 0.99

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00:37:39.200 You can get it on Amazon, wherever you get your books.

00:37:42.180 Gordon, when we come back, I wanted to wrap up this show with some things that have been going on and some comments from President Trump regarding Greenland, regarding the Panama Canal,

00:37:52.740 and some of the work he's been doing to oust Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau.

00:37:57.400 I also want to take up everything that's going on right now in South Korea.

00:38:00.960 I think a lot of people don't really understand what's happening over there.

00:38:05.100 And I think it's our duty to fill them in on just how crucial the times are in the Korean Peninsula.

00:38:11.260 We're coming right back with Gordon Chang.

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00:39:17.160 Folks, we're back with Gordon Chang, author of the all-new book, Plan Red, China's Project to Destroy America.

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00:39:29.220 Get a copy for your friend and teach them a little bit about China and the deception of the Chinese. 1.00

00:39:34.720 Gordon, I want to begin with here, Greenland.

00:39:37.380 It's been on President Trump's mind, I think, for the last 10 years or so before he took office in 2016, wanting to acquire Greenland for the natural resources, for the geographical aspect of it.

00:39:53.460 We're now finding out that the Kremlin spokesman, Dmitry Peskov, reminded President Trump-elect, who hopes to acquire Greenland, that Russia will protect its strategic interests in the Arctic region, saying, quote,

00:40:05.700 The Arctic is a zone of our national interest and our strategic interests.

00:40:10.100 We are interested in preserving the atmosphere of peace and stability in the Arctic zone.

00:40:14.440 Is America about to become the next Ukraine? 0.99

00:40:16.640 Well, certainly Russia would like it.

00:40:20.460 Russia should remember, it is not the only Arctic country.

00:40:24.500 Correct.

00:40:24.820 The other, Canada, the United States, and Denmark, by virtue of Greenland, and I believe Norway or Sweden.

00:40:35.140 But the point is, Russia is not the only Arctic state.

00:40:38.640 And so, yeah, we have our national interests in there as well.

00:40:42.480 And President Trump's comments on Greenland, you know, bring back or should remind America's people that China and Russia are seeking to dominate the Arctic, try to drive out other Arctic states, and that we cannot allow this to occur.

00:41:01.120 Yeah, Greenland being one of them, and what people don't realize is the strategic placement of Greenland.

00:41:11.820 Greenland to Moscow is just about a six-hour trip on, if you were to fly, as the crow flies on a commercial plane.

00:41:18.080 For a fighter jet, it's probably half that of time.

00:41:20.620 So to get from there to, and what I've been saying to the people on this show, Gordon, as guests for the last few days since this news broke,

00:41:26.220 if we go to war, it's going to be with probably one of three or four countries.

00:41:30.660 It's going to be with China, it's going to be with Iran, or it's going to be with Russia.

00:41:36.520 And going to, or it'll be with North Korea as the fourth. 0.91

00:41:40.500 If we go to war with any of those countries, it's most likely involves Russia anyway, right? 0.97

00:41:45.960 Russia as a proxy to China, Russia as a proxy to North Korea, Russia as a proxy to Iran,

00:41:51.200 and Russia as a proxy to itself.

00:41:54.660 So I think by President Trump wanting that, I think he's preparing us now for a position that we don't fall vulnerable,

00:42:02.240 a position that we will have our military aircraft, our warships ready to go for Russia to step out.

00:42:10.120 Now, I'm not entirely sure Russia's in the position right now to be saying anything.

00:42:14.240 They couldn't conquer Ukraine, a country with the manpower of Texas. 0.86

00:42:21.060 And they're sitting here telling us, you guys back up or we're going to do this.

00:42:26.480 We've learned a few things since that war.

00:42:28.680 And I'm not saying the war was a good thing between Russia and Ukraine,

00:42:32.620 but it was good in the sense where it opened up our eyes to the vulnerabilities of Russia.

00:42:38.780 Russia didn't have as many troops as they told us they originally did.

00:42:41.700 Russia didn't have as many reserves as they originally told us they did.

00:42:45.780 Russia's aircrafts and planes didn't work as well as they told us they did.

00:42:51.060 Their counter defense didn't work as well as they told us they did.

00:42:54.980 They told us they were going to take Ukraine in just a few weeks, a few months.

00:42:58.780 It's now going on in years, and they can't seem to finish the job that they wanted to start.

00:43:02.780 Now, I don't want them to finish the job.

00:43:04.560 I'm not advocating for that, but I'm simply relaying what they said they were going to do.

00:43:09.600 Do they really want to now get into a scuffle with the world-dominant power?

00:43:14.560 And I'm not advocating for war by any means, but is this really a war?

00:43:18.820 Is this really a conflict they want to get themselves into now in the situation they're in?

00:43:23.740 Everything they have is depleted, Gordon.

00:43:26.100 Yeah, no, they don't.

00:43:27.660 Because as you point out, they failed miserably in Ukraine to accomplish their initial objectives.

00:43:33.420 The one thing the war did was it opened our eyes to the vulnerabilities of the Russian state.

00:43:40.900 Because, you know, Americans, including me, thought that they would take over and absorb Ukraine within a matter of weeks, if not days.

00:43:49.640 And obviously, they have failed in that regard.

00:43:53.860 Russia likes to threaten. 0.91

00:43:55.700 It's gotten a lot by threatening.

00:43:58.260 Biden has backed down.

00:43:59.520 Matter of fact, the war in 2022 started because Biden backed down.

00:44:05.260 It did not have to occur.

00:44:07.800 Remember, we had four years of peace under Trump in Ukraine.

00:44:12.940 And Biden's backing down over Putin's threats just convinced Putin he could do what he wanted to.

00:44:21.060 Yeah, and he's allowed them to get away with it.

00:44:23.580 And it was the same reason that we had the October 7th attack in Israel.

00:44:28.560 Absolutely.

00:44:29.380 The world is just such a weak place.

00:44:31.380 And I can't stand the thought of America being the world police.

00:44:34.460 But the thought of it that resonates with other countries is enough for me to, you know, to get rid of that whole saying of America being the world police.

00:44:45.040 Because it portrays safety on the world stage.

00:44:48.900 It doesn't allow terrorist attacks like that to happen.

00:44:52.280 It doesn't allow countries to be invaded because they know there's a thought that there can be a price to pay.

00:45:00.620 I want to turn now to south of the border.

00:45:03.720 It's another place that President Trump's got his eye on.

00:45:05.840 It's the Panama Canal.

00:45:06.900 The Panama Canal CEO.

00:45:10.240 Now, this is another place that either we take or we occupy or China occupy. 0.96

00:45:16.540 So, you know, you pick your poison by poison.

00:45:19.200 I mean, China being the poison. 0.98

00:45:20.680 But the Panama Canal CEO says that Trump's claims that China is in control of the canal are false.

00:45:26.840 And the end of the Carter Neutrality Treaty means it's going to be chaos.

00:45:30.880 What's your thoughts?

00:45:32.540 China is dominant in the canal zone.

00:45:34.820 It can close off the canal at will.

00:45:38.440 It has so many commercial enterprises there that can be turned into military facilities.

00:45:44.280 That was the comment of General Laura Richardson in 2022 when she actually flew over the canal zone, looked at the Chinese facilities and said they were dual use.

00:45:56.260 Yeah.

00:45:56.420 There are a lot of different ways that China can do that.

00:45:59.380 China is dominant in Panama in general.

00:46:02.140 So, yeah, this is good for President Trump to highlight the issue.

00:46:08.660 December 31st of 1999 was the day that we effectively turned over control of the canal to back to them, ending the lease.

00:46:17.060 Why is it now taking, Gordon, why is it taking 25 years for a U.S. president to come to the conclusion?

00:46:24.260 Now, a lot happened since 1999, and I mentioned before the Belt and Road Initiative, which was around that time under Bill Clinton.

00:46:33.480 Why has it now taken 25 years for a president with a brain to come to the conclusion that China is a problem?

00:46:40.260 China is now trying to dominate South America. 0.96

00:46:43.860 This didn't just happen overnight, Gordon.

00:46:45.640 It didn't happen in the last four years, and it didn't happen in the last eight years.

00:46:48.900 It's been happening for the last quarter century.

00:46:51.500 Why are our politicians, and by our politicians, I mean Donald J. Trump, the only people to wake up to the fact that China can dominate us at our own southern border?

00:47:00.940 Yeah, it didn't happen overnight.

00:47:04.280 It actually started when China joined the World Trade Organization at the end of 2001.

00:47:09.600 Right.

00:47:10.280 If you take Mexico out of Latin America, China is the number one trade partner of the region.

00:47:17.100 China is investing there.

00:47:19.400 You know, this is, there are a lot of reasons for this, and one of them is that we Americans have just ignored countries to our south.

00:47:27.200 So this is on us.

00:47:28.400 We shouldn't have, we shouldn't have allowed this, but it's important now for us to have that conversation about China in Latin America, not just the canal zone.

00:47:40.860 And the Caribbean, and the Caribbean, Latin America and the Caribbean.

00:47:44.380 Right.

00:47:44.740 I want to turn to now north of the border, which you have family ties.

00:47:49.420 You've got family up in Canada, and I'm happy for them because they're now going to get maybe a prime minister.

00:47:55.080 It was a man, a prime minister who cares about his country, a prime minister who wants to make Canada great again.

00:48:02.240 You know, it's in our best interest for Canada to be great.

00:48:04.840 Let's, you know, just be honest about that.

00:48:06.760 Right.

00:48:06.960 You know, Gordon, it terrifies the hell out of me to think that north of our border, just eight hours north in a car to the border of Canada, that we can have the CCP knocking on our doors there.

00:48:29.700 And then it also terrifies the hell out of me that we can go south of Key West, Florida, by 90 miles into Cuba, and we can have the CCP there.

00:48:37.020 Or we can go 10 feet across the southern border in Texas or Arizona, and we can have the CCP there.

00:48:44.900 It's like a game of, it's like a board game, a battleship, and all guns are pointed at America.

00:48:51.380 Your take on Canada and the mistakes that Justin Trudeau has made that's now made Canada vulnerable to the CCP.

00:49:00.340 Yeah, Canada is actually more influential in Ottawa than we are.

00:49:04.280 And part of the reason for Justin Trudeau's political problems is that people have woken up in Canada about how dominant the CCP has been in electing candidates in Canada, and as well as influencing Justin Trudeau.

00:49:22.040 So, and by the way, there's one other place, that's Bahamas, which is 90 miles east of Palm Beach, Florida.

00:49:32.060 So, yeah, it is, as you say, it's in all directions.

00:49:36.840 You know, I travel a bunch, Gordon, and I go down to the Caribbean a bunch, and I can't tell you how many times I get on a Wi-Fi, and it's Huawei.

00:49:47.540 And I'll go with my friends, and they'll say, I'll say, what's the Wi-Fi?

00:49:50.820 And they're saying, who we, or who's we?

00:49:54.240 And I'm like, what the heck are you talking about?

00:49:55.820 And then I look at it, and I go, oh, my goodness, it's Huawei.

00:49:58.360 And they've managed to dominate.

00:49:59.860 Now, we haven't heard about them for quite some time.

00:50:02.720 Four years ago, five years ago, they were dominating the 5G space.

00:50:06.000 Whatever happened with Huawei and their, you know, prospects of dominating the 5G stratosphere?

00:50:14.900 Yeah, well, they've dominated 5G around the world.

00:50:18.300 And also, they're now moving their sights on to 6G.

00:50:24.000 They are building phones.

00:50:26.640 They're having some problems because, on the phone space, because China's, you know, preventing them from having apps that people around the world want. 0.97

00:50:37.540 Right.

00:50:37.680 But, yeah, Huawei is a significant competitor.

00:50:43.440 It is the dominant world's telecommunications provider.

00:50:47.440 And, again, they did it with stealing Cisco technology.

00:50:51.400 And we did not impose those costs on Huawei.

00:50:55.140 So, Huawei now is, you know, we don't have, you know, we're the people who invented cell phone technology.

00:51:02.180 Yeah.

00:51:02.660 There's no American company that is a major provider of telecom equipment.

00:51:07.700 You got two Scandinavian companies, Nokia and Ericsson and Huawei.

00:51:12.420 Yeah.

00:51:12.900 I can't even tell you I feel bad for Cisco because they probably didn't steal it.

00:51:16.420 Cisco handed it over to them, as they do with everything else.

00:51:19.580 Gordon, I want to wrap up with here, as we promised, give an update to the audience on South Korea for everyone who doesn't know what's going on there.

00:51:26.600 There are President Yoon declaring martial law, then being forced out of office, which, when we spoke before the show, seems like a communist takeover.

00:51:37.140 Can you give the audience a rundown on what exactly is happening right now in the Korean Peninsula and what it means for South Korea and maybe even North Korea and China?

00:51:45.820 Yeah.

00:51:46.120 Right now, there's a standoff.

00:51:48.280 President Yoon is in his residential complex.

00:51:51.060 Government officers want to arrest him, bring him in for questioning.

00:51:57.840 This is a result of his declaration of martial law on December 3.

00:52:03.380 That declaration was rescinded after six hours, but he was impeached.

00:52:10.240 Yoon was very unpopular.

00:52:11.580 He's a conservative president.

00:52:13.600 He was very unpopular.

00:52:15.880 His approval ratings were below 20 percent.

00:52:18.660 Now they're north of 40.

00:52:20.000 And the reason is that people are not focusing on the declaration of martial law.

00:52:24.520 They're focusing on the overreach of the opposition Democratic Party of Korea called Minjoo.

00:52:30.400 And they not only impeached President Yoon, they impeached his successor as acting president.

00:52:36.540 And they're now threatening to impeach the successor to the successor.

00:52:41.880 They, Minjoo, is pro-communist China, pro-North Korea, anti-Japan, anti-U.S.

00:52:48.940 The previous Minjoo president wanted to abolish the country of South Korea, sort of merge it into North Korea.

00:52:56.460 He was prevented by the Korean people from doing that.

00:52:59.760 But the current leader of Minjoo is a more ruthless version.

00:53:03.920 And so anything can happen, including South Korea becoming a communist state.

00:53:10.880 Not the people of South Korea want it, but it is certainly possible because of the leadership of the opposition.

00:53:21.020 You know, America set a dangerous precedent.

00:53:24.100 And it wasn't just for America, Gordon, when they went after President Trump and they impeached him twice.

00:53:29.200 When they went after him and convicted him of BS crimes last week, apparently becoming now a convicted felon in New York because they had to sentence him.

00:53:38.720 But the good news is, in that case, now President Trump can start his appeals process, which I'm more than confident he'll be able to do with how tainted that jury was and how corrupt that judge was.

00:53:48.500 That's a whole different story we could have.

00:53:50.520 Well, there was no crime.

00:53:51.680 I mean, he invented a crime which didn't exist.

00:53:54.840 Right.

00:53:55.320 And so, yeah, I'm confident that his appeal will exonerate him.

00:53:59.840 You know, I talked to Roger Stone about this the other day.

00:54:01.860 It's like the government come to you, Gordon, and say, well, we think you did this and you did this.

00:54:07.760 You're now convicted of this.

00:54:09.660 And then you go and you get under oath and you maybe make a mistake.

00:54:13.240 Maybe you intentionally lie about something.

00:54:14.920 Right.

00:54:15.560 But there's no underlying crime.

00:54:18.020 But now they've got you on purge or you lied about something, but there was no underlying crime in the first place.

00:54:22.260 But you lied under oath.

00:54:23.620 And the whole thing is just an absolute scam.

00:54:25.560 And they've done this now.

00:54:26.700 It wasn't just to him.

00:54:27.720 It was to Michael Flynn, Paul Manafort, the U.S. government.

00:54:30.940 But, Gordon, they sent a very dangerous precedent.

00:54:35.220 And it's not just for America.

00:54:36.820 It's not the precedent they set for the future of America and the future going forward on retribution and the things that our politicians are now going to be held accountable for because of the precedent they sent.

00:54:48.320 But they also set a dangerous precedent for Venezuela.

00:54:51.660 We saw what happened when Maduro lost that election.

00:54:54.580 A dangerous precedent for Brazil on what they've done down in Brazil.

00:54:58.480 Well, they've now set a dangerous precedent for South Korea. 0.56

00:55:01.820 And what's going to go on there?

00:55:02.840 People don't realize when America is not in power, when we're not showing a strong force of power, right, the whole world collapses.

00:55:13.940 And those are just three or four countries that I labeled off you now that have all gone down the same exact path of what we've done.

00:55:21.300 And political leaders fleeing the country, political leaders being jailed.

00:55:25.860 America started, though.

00:55:26.840 I mean, America didn't start the whole thing. 0.71

00:55:29.460 What I should say is it started in third world countries in banana republics.

00:55:32.820 And then America brought it to the mainstream that now it's all right.

00:55:35.940 You could jail whoever the heck you want.

00:55:37.960 Lock up whoever the heck you want.

00:55:39.320 Who cares about what precedent it sets to this country?

00:55:42.120 You're concluding thoughts here, Gordon.

00:55:43.440 Well, the good thing is that President Trump won on November 5th, and he showed the world and the American people that those tactics you talked about will not succeed.

00:55:57.720 American democracy held, and we are looking forward to four years of a reasonable president.

00:56:05.880 Yep, you're absolutely right, Gordon.

00:56:07.860 Gordon, the book.

00:56:09.000 Go ahead.

00:56:10.120 I'll let you do the promo this time.

00:56:11.500 Plan Red, China's Project to Destroy America, and follow me on Twitter, at Gordon G. Chang. 0.85

00:56:18.560 You heard the man, folks.

00:56:20.060 Gordon, you're a great American.

00:56:21.420 Thanks for everything you do, and thanks for getting the word out.

00:56:24.280 We know it's at a great cost to you and your family as you travel nowhere abroad safely, knowing that the CCP is always watching you.

00:56:33.180 Thanks so much, John.

00:56:34.500 Thanks, everybody, for being with us today.

00:56:35.980 Please be sure to join us back here tomorrow for The Great America Show as our quest for truth, justice, and the American way continues.

00:56:42.860 See you back here tomorrow, same time, same place.

00:56:46.040 But until then, may God bless you, may God bless America, and may God bless the great Lou Dobbs.

00:56:52.260 God bless y'all.

00:56:52.820 God bless you.

The Great America Show - January 18, 2025

The Great America Saturday Show： January 18, 2025

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