The Great America Saturday Show： October 19. 2024
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Gordon Chang, author of the new book, Plan Red: China's Project to Destroy America, joins us to talk about what's going on in the Chinese stock market, and what it means for the world's second-largest economy.
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Hello, everybody, and welcome to The Great America Show.
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Well, America's in turmoil right now, whether it be our foreign policy, our electoral integrity,
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hurricanes rip-roaring through the whole southeast of America.
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We have a border invasion, the Biden-Harris administration letting millions, if not over
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20 million illegals into this country, drugs pouring through the southern border, and a
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stock market that's teetering, that can go any way, at any point, at any day.
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We don't even know if we have a president right now.
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Joe Biden has been missing in action since Kamala Harris stole the presidency from him
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China this week suffering the worst stock market fall in 27 years.
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Now, in some cases, economic downfall leads to war.
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He's the author of an all-new book, Plan Red, China's Project to Destroy America.
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Gordon, thank you so much for joining us today.
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We spoke about this last time, economic downfall and sometimes it leading to war.
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We've seen it here in America multiple times over the course of the last 200 years or so.
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I think this means that optimism about China, which is, you know, long-lasting and around
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Got to remember that this started because about a week ago, the People's Bank of China, the
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And analysts around the world, investors said, oh, look, this is stimulus.
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And they drove up the Chinese markets 24% in a week.
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But what we're seeing is that investors are looking and saying, well, look, what the central
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The other thing that was interesting, John, is that while the foreigners were pouring in,
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They were using the opportunity to get out of what was clearly a dangerous situation for
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And I think we're going to see the Chinese stock market come back down.
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It's been one of the worst performers since the middle of 2021.
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Essentially, about $6.5 trillion of value has been wiped out.
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A little bit before, about $7 trillion was taken out of the market.
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So really, what we're talking about is a disastrous situation.
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And I think that the Chinese themselves must be panicking right now because they can see
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Foreign investors, they cheered more state intervention in the Chinese markets.
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But it was state intervention that caused the problems in the first place.
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So that stock market rally up 24% in a week, that was always going to reverse itself.
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I'm just surprised it reversed itself so quickly and so fast.
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Now, you're a market expert of America, neither am I.
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We go to the guys that make a lot of money for that stuff.
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But we saw a few weeks ago, or months ago, I should say, what happened in Japan when their
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currency started to fall and the effect it had on the American markets.
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Number one, they're reporting that it's down to the lowest point in 27 years, right?
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Is it not as bad as they're telling us, number one?
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And number two, will this have an effect on the American markets?
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I think the Chinese markets are actually worse than they look.
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And the reason is that there's state intervention.
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And that has, of course, an effect of rigging the markets in a sense.
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And that is Xi Jinping is re-nationalizing Chinese companies.
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Now, in effect on the U.S. markets and elsewhere, because we misunderstand what's going on in China,
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it will have an effect here, because people say, oh, my gosh, how can things be that bad?
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But if we really knew what was going on, not only in the Chinese economy,
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but also the way the Chinese stock markets work, because they're not real stock markets like we think of them,
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then I think that people would have a much more balanced view.
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And other countries are going to feel it there as well.
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Now, what about, for example, we'll take some of these useful idiots, such as Apple,
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What effect does it have on companies like Apple?
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But what effect will it have on a company like Apple, a company like Microsoft,
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even a company like Tesla that's extremely dependent on China, their markets,
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and, you know, well, for Tesla, for example, there were the minerals.
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With regard to Apple, which is vulnerable, I think the markets in the United States and
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elsewhere have just overestimated Apple's potential in China, because I believe that Apple has a
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And the reason is Xi Jinping is just determined to push out foreign companies.
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He wants to support Huawei, which has become a big phone maker.
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And so they're doing everything possible to limit Apple's potential there.
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So I think the American markets have put too much value into Apple, because Apple is going
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But it's interesting you say Huawei, because three or four years ago, all we heard was Huawei
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and the towers they were building and the communications they were building.
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And we were terrified that it was coming to America.
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Now you're not really hearing it as much in America.
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Well, because the Federal Communications Commission, in addition to Congress, has made sure that
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Huawei's equipment is being ripped out of America's telecom backbone.
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It shouldn't have been here in the first place for a lot of reasons.
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There's still some Huawei equipment in rural areas.
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The FCC has been basically engaged in trench warfare with local telecom operators in rural states.
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It should have never been here in the first place.
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Matter of fact, the world's leading player in network equipment, because it stole its technology
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So yeah, they never should have been here in the first place.
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It's interesting you say that, because over the last year or so, we've heard about China
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coming and buying up farmland across this country.
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Everything the Chinese do is strategic, because they're smarter than us on every front, especially
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with Joe Biden and Kamala Harris leading this country.
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And hopefully, after November 5th, it won't be the case.
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But is there any correlation to that, to these rural areas having broadband built up by Huawei
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and farmlands being bought up around the country?
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Well, the correlation is that China is determined to take over the United States.
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With farmland and ranchland, there are about three or four things going on.
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One of them is that there are some purchases which are strategic, which I'm sure the Communist
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Party is directing Chinese companies to buy land near, for instance, Grand Forks Air Force Base.
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And there are some other purchases close to military facilities, which are otherwise inexplicable.
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But also, there's been purchases of farmland just by the triads, the Chinese gangs.
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And they use farmland for a number of things, like illegal marijuana grows, which are all over
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But also in Oklahoma, we're seeing Chinese parties base human trafficking operations on
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In Oklahoma, the Chinese build fences around their property.
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Every American in Oklahoma has a fence on their farmland.
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The difference is that Americans build fences to keep people out.
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The Chinese are building fences on their farmland to keep people in.
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I mean, this is our country, and we've allowed this to occur.
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So obviously, we need to get the Chinese out of our farmland, out of our ranch land.
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If they want to own a condo in Honolulu, I'm not that upset.
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But I'm really, really upset about farm and ranch land.
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We saw in America this year, right here in New York City, a shadow police state being
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run in Chinatown, in Manhattan, right under our very eyes for years, for years.
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Their focus is on spying on Americans who don't do anything wrong.
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Their focus is on going after school board parents who protest at schools because transgender,
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and there's no such thing as a transgender, I don't know why I just said that, a man is
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a man, a woman is a woman, but men participating in women's sports.
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That's who the NSA and the CIA is so keen on spying on because these are domestic terrorists
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in their eyes, obviously not in ours, or mine at least.
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But we have a police state, Gordon, in this country by the Chinese, right, under our very
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And it's only gotten worse under Joe Biden and Kamala Harris.
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The FBI closed the Chinese police station on East Broadway in Chinatown in New York City.
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But according to Daily Caller and New York Post reporting, there are either seven or nine
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remaining police stations spread across the country.
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One, by the way, in Minnesota, which has a governor who is Tim Waltz.
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But the point is, why these operations remain there, I don't know.
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Because we know that the Ministry of State Security and Chinese consular officials are
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coercing, intimidating, and blackmailing people who are on our soil legally.
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But Beijing has been trying to weaponize blood, quote unquote, as they call it.
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We know that Ministry of State Security agents have been committing crimes on our soil.
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And we have had presidents who knew this and didn't do anything about it.
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So, yeah, we should be really angry at the Chinese.
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We should be more angry at the people we elect, the people we elect to defend ourselves.
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Well, Gordon, who did you expect was going to do anything about it?
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Joe Biden, who was getting 10 percent as the big guy from his son, Hunter Biden, who was
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taking trips overseas to Asia on Air Force Two with his father, his vice president, as
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he was in between smoking crack and having prostitutes at his house and making millions
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And when the whistleblowers came out and said something about it, you know, it was all bets
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When we return, we're talking about Americans and us being the problem.
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A big one, Mark Cuban, former owner of the Dallas Mavericks, still backing Chinese, the
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Chinese, even after all the human rights abuses and the NBA making money on it.
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I also want to take up Tim Waltz and what problem that poses to America if, God forbid,
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We're talking with Gordon Chang, author of the all-new book, Plan Red.
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Gordon, you brought up Tim Waltz, and it scares the hell out of me, the prospect of them winning
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And I think the only way they win is if they steal it again.
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But nonetheless, if they win, Tim Waltz, I mean, his ties to China, I think, are worse
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than what we've seen to the likes of Hunter Biden.
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And Hunter Biden was getting millions of dollars from these people.
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His business partners were getting millions of dollars.
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And his father, Joe Biden, the president of the United States, getting millions of dollars.
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What does it mean for America if Waltz and Harris are to win with regards to foreign policy
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It means that a communist sympathizer is one heartbeat away from the Oval Office.
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You know, the Chinese had to pay the Biden family.
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Tim Waltz, they just got him for free because he actually believes this stuff from all that
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From his recent statements, the thing about Tim Waltz, first decade of this century, he
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was taking American high school students, bringing them to China so they could be indoctrinated.
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That exercise had to have been approved by the Communist Party's United Front Work Department,
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which is the part of the party that subverts foreign governments.
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Now, Tim Waltz can't say, well, I was young and a knucklehead then, because we know from
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Daily Caller reporting that Tim Waltz today, as governor of Minnesota, has had continuous
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contact with Communist Party front organizations in his state.
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He's actually appointed essentially a communist agent to a Minnesota government board.
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And as we just talked about, there is a secret police station run by the Chinese in, I think
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it's Minneapolis, but I know it's in Minnesota.
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So I think Tim Waltz has an obligation to tell the American people about his ties.
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And clearly he needs to come clean because this guy could be president of the United States.
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And we need to hear from him what happened, because clearly from what we know right now,
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And that's just further down the rabbit hole, Gordon, of Americans being the problem, we being
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I just want to go off on a little tangent here because it blows my mind.
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I was watching Tennessee the other day and they're over in, nonetheless, in Wuhan playing
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Why these professional organizations, the MLB, the NBA, anybody who does licensing agreements
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The Chinese killed millions of Americans, over a million Americans and millions across the
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We know that it didn't come from the wet market, the China virus.
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Trump, you know, unfortunately had to leave office after January of 21, which then brought
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But when push came to shove, he did absolutely nothing about it.
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China has gotten off scot-free for killing millions of people and causing billions and trillions
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of dollars worth of damage economically to America and the world.
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They're getting away with it because Joe Biden is president.
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You know, President Trump understood something, and that was the World Health Organization was
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And the WHO actually helped China spread a narrative that senior WHO doctors knew was false.
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That narrative was that SARS-CoV-2, the pathogen that causes COVID-19, was not readily transmissible
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In January of 2020, a critical month regarding spread of this disease, the WHO had a statement
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that the disease was not readily transmissible.
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And there was a tweet from the director general of the WHO, Dr. Tedros, to the same effect.
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But senior WHO doctors who were involved in looking at communicable diseases, especially
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viruses, knew that those statements and that tweet were false.
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And the reason why it was wrong was because we know that the Chinese regime deliberately
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And while they were locking down their own country, they were pressuring others, including
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the United States, to take arrivals from China without travel restrictions or quarantines.
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You put those two things together, John, and it means that 7 million people outside of China
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That includes 1.2 million Americans, according to Johns Hopkins.
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And yes, we can argue about the number of people that COVID killed, but anything above
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And I would even argue, and I said this from the beginning, I was one of the first people
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I look at it as genocide because we don't know who they released it on.
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If it was meant for America, it's genocide against the American people.
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Now, Xi Jinping doesn't give a damn about his own people.
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He wouldn't care if he wiped out, I mean, half the population, especially if it were women
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It didn't make a difference one way or another.
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I had mentioned Mark Cuban recently saying he's fine with the NBA having ties to China,
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and he understands there's human rights abuses, but it is what it is.
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Tell the audience, if you will, that the human rights abuses that China, and it's not just
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We often hear the Uyghurs, the Muslim population that China is persecuting and essentially hasn't
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been slave over, but it's Catholics, it's Christians, it's monks.
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I spoke to somebody on the show recently who lived in China for six months, and he said the
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abuses and disgusting things that was being done against monks and people of any faith
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in China is just the likes of things we've never seen before.
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And I think he knows how bad it is, yet he sits there and parades China.
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And I think he falls in line perfectly with the people he endorsed, Tim Walz and Kamala
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First of all, you made a critical point, which if I can go back for a second, about genocide.
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If you look at the definition of genocide in the Genocide Convention of 1948, to which
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the United States is a partner, a party, yes, what China did with regard to spreading COVID
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beyond its borders was a genocide because it was targeted on an ethnic group.
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And we should be making this point every single time.
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With regard to Mark Cuban, what's going on in China are atrocities.
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It's genocide against Uyghurs, Kazakhs and other Turkic minorities, against Tibetans and
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So there's genocide going on there, especially in Xinjiang.
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There's been the detention in concentration camps of somewhere between one and three million
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But we also know that inside those camps, there is murder.
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We know that there are imprisonment of children.
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That's because parents, mothers and fathers, have been both in prison.
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And basically, they have what they call orphanages, but which resemble prisons.
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And it's occurring not just against what are considered to be the foreign religions like
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It's also against people of faith of so-called domestic religions like Buddhism.
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Xi Jinping has no tolerance for faith of any sort.
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This is a system which is responsible for the deaths of tens of millions of Chinese under
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And it's continuing under Xi Jinping in different forms.
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And Mark Cuban, if you're listening, you have endorsed atrocities.
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Mark Cuban, I think, has been blocked on Twitter and every other social media platform.
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I had the pleasure of meeting him one day outside of a nightclub in Orlando, Florida.
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And I confronted him because he was with two women, neither of which were his wife.
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We're going to take a quick break here, Gordon.
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But I want to take up something else that's happening on the other side of that world.
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Yeah, they're acting up again just in time for the November election.
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We're going to take that up on the other side of this quick break.
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And we're also going to take up Gordon's new book, Plan Red.
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He's the author of the all-new book, Plan Red, China's Project to Destroy America, which we recommend to you all highly.
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We're going to get into that in just a few moments, but I want to talk first, Gordon.
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North Korea, Kim Jong-un, and we were talking before the show today, very interesting, the correlation and the friendships, or friendships in air quotes, between Kim Jong-un, Xi Jinping, and Vladimir Putin.
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And I said to you, the way I look at it is they all have a knife in each other's back halfway in, and they're ready to finish the job at any given point, any slip-up.
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But Kim Jong-un this week sent a letter to Vladimir Putin congratulating him on his work he's doing in Ukraine and wishing him a happy birthday, which Xi Jinping is not very happy about because he thought he had a good relationship with Kim Jong-un.
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They exchanged letters, I think it was two months ago, where they wanted to strengthen ties.
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Puts North Korea in a very peculiar place right now.
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Kim Jong-un went to Russia and met Vladimir Putin outside of Vladivostok at a Cosmodrome.
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And that's where, supposedly, they stitched together their deal, where the North Koreans would sell artillery shells and ballistic missiles.
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And in return, they would get technology for missiles and perhaps nuclear weapons.
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Since that time, North Korea has supplied millions of shells to the Russians.
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We know that North Korean soldiers have died on the battlefield in Ukraine.
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A lot of very smart people in New York and Washington believe that China is really, really, really miffed by this.
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But the Chinese also know that neither the Russians nor the North Koreans can go very far.
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They can't stray out of the Chinese orbit because both Russia and North Korea depend on China.
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They will let the North Koreans' mouth off every once in a while.
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But when the Chinese really want something out of North Korea, they get it.
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And they get it because prior to September of last year, China accounted for about 95% of North Korea's foreign trade.
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That's just something that North Korea can't replace.
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Is Xi more loyal to Kim Jong-un than he is to Vladimir Putin?
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And it seems like Putin doesn't give a damn who is who because obviously Putin has no loyalty to anybody, nor do any of them for that matter.
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I mean, if push comes to shove and Russia gets in trouble, does China jump on that opportunity and vice versa?
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If China gets itself into a little bit of trouble, does Russia decide to start moving to the east towards China?
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On the basics, China has had a military alliance with North Korea for decades, going back to about 1961.
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Until June of this year, that was North Korea's only military alliance.
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And China's only military alliance is with North Korea.
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In June, Russia and North Korea signed up a comprehensive strategic partnership deal, which is said to have a clause requiring both North Korea and Russia to come to the aid of each other if one of them is attacked.
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However, when we start to look at this relationship, I think that essentially Xi Jinping and Vladimir Putin are pretty much on the same page.
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And the reason is the Chinese want to disrupt the international system.
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So, Vladimir Putin is really important to Beijing because he's accomplishing things that China could not do on its own.
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So, I think that that relationship is a lot stronger than most people give it credit for.
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And Putin actually, I think, is stronger in the relationship than people think.
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Because everyone says, oh, you know, Vladimir Putin's the junior partner.
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But he's not as junior as we Americans think he is.
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In terms of North Korea, the North Koreans have to do what China wants.
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The bottom line out of all of this is that if China gets involved in some war in East Asia,
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we should expect both North Korea and Russia to come in on China's side.
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And the reason is because of Russia's and North Korea's critical reliance on China,
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neither Vladimir Putin nor Xi Jinping are in a position to say no when Xi Jinping asks, air quotes,
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when he asks them to come and fight alongside China.
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But at the end of the day, Gordon, what does North Korea really have to offer that China doesn't already have?
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It's on a peninsula that there's nothing really there that I think is useful to either of them, right?
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Well, you know, in terms of material stuff, yeah, you're right.
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I mean, North Korea has some coal and some other stuff.
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But what North Korea provides is it ties down America's forces in the region, ties down South Korea and Japan.
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And in a wartime situation where China is fighting, you know, you name it, Japan, Taiwan, Philippines,
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the North Koreans are a valuable military asset because they've got this enormous army and they can do a lot of damage to South Korea.
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So that's it's a strategic or a geo-strategic advantage.
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Interesting. So you mentioned Philippines and all the other places that China wants to dominate the same way Russia wants Ukraine.
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We now find out that China has got a military base that they've built now in Cambodia,
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just south of the country in the region of Thailand and Miramar,
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where they've got two, I believe it's two of their amphibian or Corvette ships parked there.
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Well, China is trying to build what was once called the String of Pearls,
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which is, you know, a series of military bases.
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And what they want to do is, first of all, they want to control the Indian Ocean.
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So they have a base in Djibouti, which is their first official offshore military site.
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But they need to have something between Djibouti and China.
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One of them is the base in Cambodia, the naval base that you just talked about.
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It is fragile because it is in a part of Pakistan,
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which is really hostile to the national government in Pakistan.
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Balookistan is the portion of Pakistan I'm talking about.
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The Balooks took responsibility for killing a lot of Pakistanis and Chinese in a convoy.
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So Gwadar is not as safe and secure as the Chinese wanted to be.
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And they're looking for other places as well in order to build that string of pearls.
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To confuse the audience further, I want to tie in one more country to this.
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And it's one that we've all been hearing about lately.
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I think it is the largest state sponsor of terror in this country,
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training almost every terror organization that hates America and the rest of the world.
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The Houthis, the Hezbollah, I mean, going after the backing people in Gaza,
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trying to wipe Israel off the face of the earth.
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They've now got themselves in a little bit of a situation because the Jews in Israel are fighting back.
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And it looks like they're waging a pretty decent war on Hezbollah,
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How does Iran now get itself further into this situation or further out of this situation that they've got?
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Well, the Iranians think they're nobody's proxies,
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but the Chinese think that they are China's proxy
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because Iran could not have afforded to attack Israel last October 7th
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were it not for Chinese elevated commodity purchases,
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diplomatic and propaganda support, and weapons support.
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The only thing the Chinese aren't doing is providing troops to Iran.
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Just to give you an example of how close this relationship is,
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last year, more than 90% of Iran's exports of crude oil went to China.
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And so that shows you that China is financing the war on Israel.
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Now, the problem for China is, you know, proxy wars can be very clever,
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but the problem for China right now is that their proxy is not doing too well in their war against Israel.
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And by the way, one can say almost the same thing about Russia with regard to China.
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Russia isn't doing very well either because that also looks like a proxy war.
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The only place where China's proxy wars seem to be succeeding are North Africa.
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And that's because we're not contesting what's going on there, but we should.
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So really what we've got is a China where its proxies aren't doing as well as Beijing first thought they would.
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The other issue you mentioned we have is oil, which is how oil and terror and Barack Obama sending a few billion dollars over to Iran
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is the only income for that hellhole of a country.
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And I feel terrible for the people that have to live in that country under the leadership of the Ayatollah Khamenei.
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And Israel now, in an escalation, may start to soon attack those oil fields and all of their oil that they have,
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which then poses a threat now for China, because where is China going to get their oil for?
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Should Iran go further into this world, this war?
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And should Israel decide to start hitting them where it really hurts?
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Yeah, for the first eight months of this year, China got 54% of its oil from the Persian Gulf.
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And if Israel goes after Iran's oil depots, which you could very well do,
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then China is going to be in trouble because it could lose almost all of its source of oil,
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or it could lose more than half of its source of oil.
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It's going to drive up oil prices, of course, if that happens.
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This becomes critical, because China right now is depending on its factories to pull its economy out of the slumps.
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And right now, if they don't have oil, they don't have factories.
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Joe Biden, another useful American idiot, trading the Russian merchant of death for Brittany Griner last year in a prisoner swap
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to bring back that American hater from Russia who was locked up there for drug possession in the country,
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is now selling arms, he's a politician now, and he's back to selling arms to the Houthis.
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I mean, how do we find ourselves, Gordon, in this same situation, time and time again,
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where we let these scumbags go, and then they're back on the field doing the same exact thing,
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only to maybe later be caught again and be traded for somebody else?
00:36:32.580
Yeah, the Biden administration has made it clear that the countries can grab Americans and that we'll deal.
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And that's exactly what we have, you know, the Biden administration has done.
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And what's happened is this has escalated because you have, for instance, Hamas grabbing all of those American hostages
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So they're now going into hostage grabbing on a wholesale scale.
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And they've been encouraged by the Biden administration.
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You know, I understand it's a natural impulse for a president or prime minister in a democratic society
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But the problem is once you start that, then you just encourage more hostage taking.
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And so the Biden administration is responsible for that.
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And this was part of a general attitude because they actually encouraged Colonial Pipeline,
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and I think it was 2021, to pay a ransom to Russian hackers.
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And that just gives incentives for other people to attack our infrastructure.
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And they go back to the term useful idiots, Gordon.
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He's the author of the all new book, Plan Red, China's Project to Destroy America.
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We're going to take it up on the other side of this quick break.
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We're coming right back with the author, the man himself, Gordon Chang.
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So by you going out and buying this book, it supports Gordon and lets him go out and write more books like this.
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Because like I said to you, Gordon doesn't make millions of dollars writing these books.
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So, Gordon, another new book, The Forward, written by my best friend who passed away, Lou Dobbs.
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He's one of your biggest fans throughout his entire career.
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And I think you probably say the same about him.
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But preparing for war, what is the most important message you hope to get through in your brand new book here, Gordon?
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It's that American elites, American foreign policy specialists, and American leaders fundamentally misunderstand China's assault on our American republic.
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They think that we can cooperate with China, that things will be okay.
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But they do not understand that the Communist Party believes that it must destroy our country.
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Once we understand that, we can defend our country.
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Because although we're a far stronger society than China, we're actually far stronger than China, Russia, Iran, and North Korea all combined.
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But the point is we're not defending ourselves.
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So, we can lose our country because we do not understand what is occurring.
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The problem is, Gordon, is that we've seen it now for the last, we'll even call it modern times, the last 25 or so years under the Belt and Road Initiative.
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We've allowed these people to grow into the devil and continue to push around America.
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So, we can speak and we can speak until our faces turn blue and our heads explode.
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But at the end of the day, when push comes to shove and our politicians are in bed with these people and our corporations, our Fortune 500 companies are in bed with China and rely on China for everything down to our pharmaceutical needs.
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Where we have 90% of our pharmaceutical needs, maybe even more, coming from China and India.
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They're the ones, Gordon, who've got us into this situation in the first place.
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And, you know, we're a democracy and so we allow our enemies to buy our political leaders and our elites.
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I mean, all we have to do is look at the way we reacted to Osama bin Laden.
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I mean, in 1993, Al-Qaeda reached out and killed six Americans in the bombing of the North Tower of the World Trade Center.
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We didn't pay any attention until one day where Osama bin Laden killed 2,977 Americans.
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Well, it happened because we did not listen to what Al-Qaeda was saying about us.
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And the reason I mention all this is because it's exactly the same with China's regime.
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And clearly, China's regime is so much more powerful than Osama bin Laden ever was.
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You mentioned 9-11 and, you know, just under 3,000 people died.
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Uncle just passed away a few weeks ago from the repercussions of it and the, you know, the smoke and all this stuff these people inhaled.
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And it just goes to show you again, our government, our government knew that we should not be letting our first responders into these areas.
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They knew within days that the building, Building 7, was covered with asbestos and that none of these people should have been down there in the first place without even masks.
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Yet we allowed our Americans to go in there and go do this work and clean up.
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And after knowing that we were killing them and hundreds and thousands more have died, hundreds and thousands more have paid the price with medical issues for the rest of their life.
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We waited years later to go kill Osama bin Laden.
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Like I said, we let COVID now go by the wayside.
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When are we going to stop being the doormat, Gordon, for everybody to allow terrorists?
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I mean, another issue we heard last week, Iranians are planning an assassination, another assassination attempt on President Trump.
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There were reports unconfirmed, but of them maybe sneaking missiles through our southern border.
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At what point does America stop becoming a damn doormat for these terrible people who want us dead?
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70,000 to 75,000 Americans die each year from doses of illegal Chinese fentanyl.
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And we do not have a political system that recognizes what's going on.
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I just don't know how to answer your question because it is – I fear the answer is great tragedy, that we are going to lose many more Americans before we decide to do something.
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Fentanyl, I mean, you go to any major city across this country.
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You go – anywhere you go, you see these people on the side of the road, and you know they're not on marijuana.
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You know they're not on cocaine because the effects on that are relatively normal compared to what these people on fentanyl and these other drugs that come from China.
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These people turn into zombies, and it's disgusting.
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I think there was a call or something or Xi Jinping was making fun of America that Americans have drug problems, but it was all to their creation.
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I mean, this is what they wanted, and this is what they've got.
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And our leaders sit here, and they sit on their hands to do nothing about it because I would assume somewhere around 50% to 60% of them are paid off one way or another, whether it's directly from the CCP or through proxies.
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I mean, is it going to come down to a ground war?
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Is it going to come out to some sort of war for us to finally say enough is enough?
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The answer is what Lou Dobbs has talked about for decades, and that was severing our trade and investment relations with China.
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And I know that that sounds politically unacceptable, but it's absolutely necessary.
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And it's necessary because China uses every point of contact to take down our society.
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So until we can manage this, we have to sever those relations.
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Yes, that is not something the American political system is willing to do.
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But if we talk about it, maybe we can avoid the tragedy that I so fear.
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Well, how do you get the Tim Cooks of the world, the Jamie Diamonds of the world to decouple from this place?
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I mean, it obviously takes a Donald Trump type figure to come in and do it.
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But how on November 6th, when President Trump is the president-elect, what does President Trump do?
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How does he get these private corporations to get the hell out of there?
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I mean, I'm glad to see President Trump has now become friends with Elon Musk because Elon does a shit ton of business over there.
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And hopefully he can be the trophy figure to say enough, you know, let me pull out of this place.
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What is it going to take President Trump to do on November 6th?
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I think what's going to happen will be a number of smaller things that will lead to a dynamic that will get American business out.
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First of all, I've got to remember, this is not just pulling American business out.
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This is also Xi Jinping pushing American business out.
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But there are a lot of little things that could make huge differences.
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So, for instance, the Tariff Act of 1930, that prohibits the importation into the United States of goods made with forced or slave labor.
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Almost all of China's green products are made with such labor.
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And many other Chinese products that are put together outside of Xinjiang, they are also made with forced labor.
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We just start enforcing that we can have a big effect on the Chinese economy, which is really at a knife's edge right now in any place.
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So there are these things that we can do which could have a disproportionate effect on China.
00:48:47.660
But, Gordon, at the end of the day, when the American shopper goes to the store and they see they can buy a shirt for $2 that's made in China or a shirt that's made in America for $5,
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the American person is going to go and say, well, I can't afford to pay an extra $3.
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I have a family of six people at home that I have to feed.
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Because in some cases, Gordon, there's American jobs that just can't be brought back home.
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And it's things like textiles and stuff like that, which will be overseas because we will never be able to make an end's meet on actually making them and selling them there.
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We have a free trade agreement with the region.
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And we could unilaterally liberalize its provisions, which would encourage low-end factories to move to Central America.
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One of them is it gets those factories on this side of the Pacific, which means getting the goods into the United States is going to be really cheap.
00:49:53.600
Also, it would tend to get people to stay in their home countries instead of migrating up into our southern border.
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And if you're a climate change fan, I mean, obviously, there's a lot less carbon that is needed to get a product out of Costa Rica or, you know, Honduras than it is getting it across the Pacific, which requires a lot of carbon.
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So any way you look at this, this is great for us.
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And so these are things that we can do, which would have that disproportionate effect that I talked about.
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Ninety percent of these migrants and illegals that come to this country don't want to come to this country.
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They want to stay home because they come by themselves.
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They have families that they send their money back to.
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That's the truth of the matter at the end of the day.
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But at the end of the day, they're not supposed to be here because we're a country of law and order and law and borders.
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What I would love to see President Trump do, and we heard it floated by Mark Esper in a leaked book like he was hurting Trump.
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Trump apparently reportedly wanted to blow up the drug factories in Mexico.
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If we can get Mexico under control and a sustainable country that these people can live in, we will cut down our border numbers.
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I think probably 99 percent if you can make Mexico a habitable place for their citizens to live in.
00:51:27.420
Mexico is going to have an immigration problem from the countries to the south in Guatemala and Honduras and El Salvador and the rest of the Venezuela and Colombia and all these other people want to come up here.
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But it's not until that time when we do something like this that we're going to see a stop in this.
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And I'm not convinced that the Democrats, not any one of them in Congress or the Senate or the president, for that matter, wants to fix our immigration issue because then it's an issue they can't run on.
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If Donald Trump were to fix this issue, I mean, this is an issue George Bush ran on, John McCain, and none of them ever fixed it.
00:52:00.200
Why was it? Why did it take Donald Trump to come in 15, 20 years later and say, we're building a wall?
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You mentioned fences around the properties to keep people in versus keep people out.
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I mean, it's the dumbest yet smartest idea possible.
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Once again, I want to recommend the book to you highly.
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It's available on Amazon or wherever you buy your books.
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This is how we help people like Gordon Chang keep doing the great work that he's doing.
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Like I said, Gordon doesn't make millions of dollars to write a book, and he doesn't do it for that reason.
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He does it to inform us all, and he has been doing it long before I was even born.
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I don't mean to age you, but long before I was even born.
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And by supporting Gordon in all the work that he does is how you keep Gordon afloat.
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And Lou was a great inspiration to Lydia, my wife, and me.
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And it is one of the greatest honors of my life to know him.
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And you were one of his favorite people, not just on air, but one of his favorite people.
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Lou didn't have many friends, and he prided himself on that.
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But he did consider you one of his good friends, you and Lydia both.
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And I was glad Lou was able to write these four words for you and epigraphs for the book before he passed away.
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Because Lou didn't put his name on anything he didn't believe in.
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And that's what makes you and him such good people.
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Again, the book is Plan Red, China's Project to Destroy America.
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Not a long read, which is excellent, but it gets to the point of everything we need to know.
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Gordon Chang, thank you so much for joining us today.
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Thanks to Gordon Chang, and thank you all for being with us today.
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Again, the book is Plan Red, China's Project to Destroy America.
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I can't recommend it any higher than I already have.
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I read it over the weekend, and I encourage you all to grab a copy.
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It's all you need to know about China and their plan to try to dominate America and the rest of the world.
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Be sure to follow me on Twitter at JohnFawcettNY and on Truth Social at JohnFawcett.
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May God bless you, God bless America, and may God bless the great Lou Dobbs.