Russ Tice, former senior U.S. intelligence analyst and whistleblower joins us on the show to talk about his new book, "Spygate" and the massive cyber hack from China on the heels of the recent firing of AG Pam Bondi.
00:05:54.700And I said, Russ Tice made accusations that Americans were being illegally spied on.
00:05:58.760Did it prove to be true? Yes, Russ Russell Tice, his core accusations that the NSA was conducting illegal warrantless surveillance on Americans were largely proven truth of some of his more expansive claims,
00:06:11.060such as word of word, domestic content collection or specific high profile targets, relied on his personal testimony without full public documentation at the time.
00:06:23.520But we know that now to be entirely true because what they did to Donald Trump ties, they go on to give you a little background and they go on to say what you know, what your claims that you made and everything that you have said, Russ, has been confirmed to be true.
00:06:40.640Yet, you've never got a phone call from good old Jesse Waters apologizing, number one, for coming to your house, and number two, apologizing for being a total buffoon and a total idiot and acknowledging the fact that we were illegally spied on here in America.
00:07:04.060I wasn't expecting that little weasel to show up anytime soon.
00:07:07.620What gets me is he's done interviews after that, especially after what happened with Ed Snowden, where he goes to people and says, are you upset that the government's spying on you?
00:07:21.280And it's interesting that I wonder why Ed Snowden is not here, that he can do interviews with Mr. Walters, because to show him information, the difference between me and Ed was that Mr. Snowden, he had the tangible proof of what I said many years before.
00:07:43.480He had the documentation and some of that was classified.
00:08:18.840And I don't want to cut you off, Russ, but I have a short train of thought.
00:08:23.760And I'll probably forget. I think I'm getting experience in the onset of getting old.
00:08:29.540I just want to get this and get your reaction to this.
00:08:33.920It's funny for me because Jesse Waters goes out there and talks about President Trump being spied on and wiretapped.
00:08:41.760And he's made a career on it. He's made millions of dollars a year on the fact that.
00:08:45.740But he's never acknowledged the fact, Russ, that you were the one who called it out.
00:08:49.560And he was a little pompous jerk that showed up your house to pretty much make fun of you when he goes on television every night.
00:08:55.720And he's like, oh, well, Trump was the victim, which he was 100 percent, but never acknowledging the core fact of you blowing the whistle on this over 20 years ago.
00:09:06.520Well, you remember when I when I first blew the whistle, a Republican was in the White House.
00:09:10.940a guy named w bush so um so then it was okay i guess for the for the for the for that side to
00:09:18.720come after me and what's ironic is you know i'm i'm very much a conservative and they always have
00:09:23.700been a constitutional or republic kind of guy so um it's uh they you know the people they were
00:09:33.680going after when i when i was showing being shown the the documentation was i mean they went after
00:09:40.520president obama before he became president when when he did that big speech for the democratic
00:09:46.320convention in 2004 and everyone realized this guy was a rising star and they say boom they hit him
00:09:52.840right away now they hit him any staffers they had his wife they they did all of his comms and i'm
00:09:59.080talking not just the metadata which is b you know we've talked about that that's the bs that they
00:10:04.840put out there that they're only doing but so they can do the parallel construction thereafter but
00:10:09.320of course they went after word for word for for uh wannabe senator of illinois barack obama well
00:10:16.600at that time there were bigger things in line for that fellow so and but but the nsa will they'll
00:10:24.580go after anyone either side they play both sides off the other and so as long as they stay in power
00:10:31.460that they're in charge you know you got to understand we're in charge hey i'll give you
00:10:36.040some dirt on this guy at this side i'll give you a dirt that's like an arms dealer selling selling
00:10:40.960arms to both sides of a conflict both sides are killing each other but and they're using your
00:10:45.740guns and you're you're you're you're the one you know making the money and you're in charge
00:10:49.580so that's the game that essay was playing
00:10:51.980it was a big big case out in in illinois i mean you probably remember rod bulgoyevich who i've
00:11:03.120I don't know, show before a man who was completely set up and framed charges.
00:11:08.620They had a hung jury within seven minutes of the hung jury.
00:11:11.940I mean, we found out that he was wiretapped and everything within seven minutes of there being a hung jury.
00:11:16.780The prosecutors came out and said, well, we're retrying this case.
00:11:19.940You know, they jigged it around a little bit, dropped some charges, added some charges and boom, you got a conviction of this guy.
00:11:25.380And that was in the same time frame of them spying on Obama.
00:11:29.460And to me, it's just totally asinine that they continue to do this and they continue to get away with it.
00:11:37.520You know, it must drive them nuts, nuts, Russ, because, you know, being one of those fellows used to be in this agency, you spy on people to get the dirt.
00:11:45.560It must drive them nuts inside of that basement, inside of that bunker, wherever the heck they're hiding, Russ, to have spied on Donald Trump and not got as much as a salacious photo of the guy.
00:11:57.760I mean, it's got to drive them absolutely nuts to know we spent all this time.
00:12:02.900We've ruined the credibility of this agency and we have absolutely nothing on the big bad orange man.
00:12:09.060Well, think about that. You know what? I when I came out in.
00:12:13.100Well, actually, I started talking to the press in 04, but it finally came out at the end of the December of 05.
00:12:20.940after the White House was doing everything they could to suppress
00:12:24.820the information coming out from the New York Times.
00:12:28.760But, you know, it's like, boom, they hit.
00:12:33.260Obama was talking about when he was running for president.
00:12:35.300He's going to clamp down on the intelligence community
00:12:38.760and on all these abuses, blah, blah, blah.
00:13:19.940He's lived in a glass house his entire life.
00:13:22.840So all the foibles he's had in his life, and he's been with a couple different ladies here and there, and was known as a bit of a playboy, and everyone's known that.
00:23:16.980I mean, loved – I spoke to him after Lou passed away,
00:23:19.780And then his daughter, actually, his daughter, young, I think early 30s, Andy Biggs, his daughter just passed away from some complications.
00:23:27.520Yeah. So, you know, I texted with him not long ago and, you know, let me know his daughter passed away and she's in heaven now at Lou.
00:23:34.040So just a solid Congress doesn't deserve people like him.
00:23:39.200They don't deserve people like Anna Polina Luna because the place is just accessible of just trash.
00:23:45.040I mean, it really is a cesspool of total, total garbage.
00:23:49.160And they continue to sell the American people down the river with no repercussions.
00:23:54.500People continue to go out and vote for these people.
00:24:13.240Let's just get to the bottom of it and be honest about what it is, Russ.
00:24:16.900Let's turn, Russ, to FBI warning Congress of a major cyber attack that involves China that could threaten our national security.
00:24:27.280A computer security breach in the Bureau's Virginia offices first detected in February.
00:24:33.740It's been reported to Congress as a major incident that could threaten national security.
00:24:37.920And it appears, Russ, that Beijing is behind it.
00:24:41.000last week we saw salacious hacks of cash patel's personal email address they said it was from
00:24:49.880iran but i don't think the iranian regime is smart enough to to do something like that which
00:24:54.860relates it all back to china well i'm not sure if you're old enough to remember john but back in
00:25:00.160the 90s um there was a big major computer company that was writing code and uh and doing a lot of
00:25:06.800work for the government and one of the systems they wrote that was being sent out to all the
00:25:12.080commercial market um someone got a chance to look at the inside of the code and someone noticed
00:25:20.060that whoever coded when someone writes code by the way you you put little notes in there that
00:25:25.660this is for this this block of code is for to do this or whatever and normally before you release
00:25:30.440the code you take all those annotations out well some of the annotations were left in and one of
00:25:36.780said uh this is nsa's back door into the system yeah so you go oh well well that guy he was told
00:25:47.840to do that and the company he worked for obviously let him do it told him to do it but no one was
00:25:53.200supposed to know until they saw that annotation where they forgot to take that out of the code
00:25:58.520register so um this has been happening for a long time now why do i bring that up it's because when
00:26:06.600you create back doors into something that that normally means nsa has petitioned to have that
00:26:13.020done so that nsa can get into the back door of the communications against uh originally against
00:26:19.340our true enemies but now of course we you know against you and me and we're the enemy right the
00:26:25.960domestic public um and then the deep state will come after anyone who's who goes against the deep
00:26:32.640state that at the cess the dc cess swamp so so but when they do that and and they also open up
00:26:41.120a fissures that other hackers say in china or you know you know some smart punk 13 year old in his
00:26:49.540basement yeah can can break into so they create their own nightmares with some of the stuff that
00:26:56.480i was dealing with where i told you they went after obama company not only did you know it
00:27:02.620It was worse because they made sure there was no audit trail capability because they didn't want to get caught in the evenings when they're going in and they're spying on the politicians and they're spying on the top military and Congress and all these other law firms and all these other folks that they didn't want to get caught.
00:27:24.620So they made sure there was no audit trail that someone could go in and see that someone in the evening at 930 at night was going and getting all this information.