The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1027 - Courtney Dauwalter

00:00:03.000 5, 4, 3, 2, 1. Welcome, Courtney!

00:00:06.000 Thank you.

00:00:07.000 Thanks for having me.

00:00:08.000 First of all, how did you do what you did, and how are you right now?

00:00:12.000 We're just jumping right in.

00:00:13.000 Yeah, let's just jump right in.

00:00:14.000 For people who are just tuning in, Courtney won the Moab 240, which is a 238-mile endurance race through the...

00:00:23.000 It's Moab, right?

00:00:24.000 Right.

00:00:25.000 In Utah.

00:00:26.000 Deserts, canyons, mountains...

00:00:28.000 And how long did it take you to run 238 miles?

00:00:31.000 It took just under 58 hours.

00:00:33.000 That is so crazy!

00:00:36.000 And you beat the second place person by more than 20 miles, right?

00:00:42.000 What was the distance?

00:00:43.000 Yeah, I'm not sure the distance.

00:00:44.000 I think it was around 20 or so.

00:00:46.000 It was about 10 hours.

00:00:48.000 How did you do that?

00:00:52.000 How old are you?

00:00:54.000 32. That's young for these kind of races, right? 0.99

00:00:57.000 Yeah, that's true.

00:00:58.000 Because these kind of races, usually it's like grit and anger at the world that gets you through. 1.00

00:01:02.000 Yeah.

00:01:04.000 And you're only 32. You're young.

00:01:07.000 And the way you're winning is like so crazy.

00:01:10.000 And you've only been doing this like big time races like this for a short amount of time, correct?

00:01:15.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:01:16.000 How long?

00:01:17.000 I've been running ultra marathons for maybe seven, eight years, but getting pretty competitive in the past couple years.

00:01:25.000 Wow.

00:01:26.000 So how did you start out?

00:01:28.000 The race?

00:01:29.000 How did you start out running?

00:01:31.000 Did you start out in high school?

00:01:33.000 Yeah.

00:01:33.000 Back in junior high, high school, I ran cross country and track and continued endurance sports through college and tried some marathons and then it was just like a natural segue into trail racing.

00:01:47.000 But it's just the way you're beating these people is insane.

00:01:50.000 You're not just beating them.

00:01:51.000 You're like demoralizing people.

00:01:53.000 Well, I hope not.

00:01:55.000 You hope not.

00:01:56.000 Oh, you're too nice.

00:01:58.000 When you beat the second place person by 20 hours or 20 miles, that's so crazy.

00:02:04.000 10 hours, you said?

00:02:05.000 It was about 10 hours.

00:02:06.000 That is insane.

00:02:07.000 You both start at the same time.

00:02:08.000 Ready, set, go.

00:02:09.000 You're finishing 10 hours ahead.

00:02:11.000 You could go, go to sleep, get 8 hours sleep, have a nice meal, sit down, and then just show up clean and showered and everything like that.

00:02:23.000 Oh, you're finishing now?

00:02:24.000 How cute.

00:02:25.000 I just slept all night.

00:02:30.000 That's crazy!

00:02:31.000 Yeah, it was cool.

00:02:32.000 I mean, it was a cool adventure to travel with your feet for 238 miles.

00:02:39.000 I mean, it was brand new territory for me, so I didn't know how it was going to go.

00:02:43.000 Well, it's pretty much brand new territory for all the runners, right?

00:02:45.000 This is like the first ever Moab 240?

00:02:48.000 Quite a few of them had done a bunch of 200 mile races before.

00:02:51.000 Yeah, there you go.

00:02:52.000 Let's picture you hoofing it.

00:02:54.000 Hoffen. 0.99

00:02:55.000 Crazy.

00:02:56.000 So what is going on? 0.92

00:02:58.000 Why are you so much better than everybody else?

00:03:03.000 I think I had a good day out there.

00:03:06.000 Get out of here.

00:03:06.000 You had three days.

00:03:11.000 You're trying to be too nice.

00:03:13.000 No, but really like objectively, like how are you so much better than everybody else?

00:03:18.000 I don't know that I'm physically better than any of them but I have been really trying to learn how to like tap into my brain when it physically becomes hard because I think our brain can help us overcome so much and it's so powerful so kind of that mind over matter thing and when it physically becomes impossible to try and switch gears and to like have it be a mental thing and just keep pushing.

00:03:46.000 So what are you doing to do that?

00:03:47.000 Have you studied some forms of meditation?

00:03:51.000 No, I think just experience.

00:03:54.000 I keep on doing these races that put me in uncomfortable physical states and then I try and keep in mind that my brain can help me overcome this physical pain if I just keep going.

00:04:09.000 So that's it?

00:04:10.000 Just stay tough?

00:04:12.000 Trial and error, yeah.

00:04:13.000 Wow!

00:04:14.000 So essentially self-taught in terms of your mental fortitude.

00:04:18.000 Kind of, yeah, I guess.

00:04:20.000 Probably could give some of that credit to my parents or my upbringing or coaches I've had along the way.

00:04:26.000 But in this past couple of years, it's been just not letting myself have an excuse to stop.

00:04:35.000 That's terrifying to everybody else, because if you did decide to start learning meditation or something, what if it took you to another level?

00:04:44.000 That'd be cool.

00:04:46.000 Do you meditate?

00:04:47.000 Yeah, I do.

00:04:48.000 Would it do that?

00:04:48.000 I don't know, because I can't do what you do, so I couldn't tell you.

00:04:53.000 I mean, maybe it's just...

00:04:55.000 Being comfortable with that excruciating agony and pain and just finding a state of mind that you obviously know how to achieve.

00:05:04.000 Maybe there's nothing more to it.

00:05:06.000 Maybe it's just incredibly hard work and just grit, which you obviously have both of those.

00:05:11.000 I mean, that could be just it.

00:05:13.000 Yeah, it could be real simple.

00:05:15.000 I mean, a lot of times people try to overthink things, right?

00:05:18.000 Mm-hmm. 0.90

00:05:18.000 How many people do you know where their life sort of never changes, but they're always doing self-help seminars and reading all these books and fucking nothing changes. 0.90

00:05:27.000 They're just the same person. 0.99

00:05:29.000 They keep screwing up.

00:05:30.000 They keep getting involved in bad relationships.

00:05:34.000 Sometimes maybe it's just there's a simpler thing or simpler answer.

00:05:38.000 Right.

00:05:39.000 Set your mind to something, put in the work to get there, and then just execute the plan.

00:05:45.000 Now, is this the furthest you've ever run?

00:05:47.000 That is the furthest, yeah.

00:05:48.000 What was the previous furthest?

00:05:50.000 The previous furthest was 155-ish miles.

00:05:56.000 Wow, that's a big difference.

00:05:58.000 Yeah.

00:05:58.000 Wow.

00:05:59.000 And that was just on a flat track.

00:06:01.000 Oh, wow.

00:06:03.000 So this was really different than what I had done before.

00:06:05.000 Well, that's the interesting thing about these mountain races.

00:06:08.000 It's not just your cardiovascular endurance.

00:06:14.000 You have to have muscular endurance because you're climbing.

00:06:17.000 There's a lot of elevation change, right?

00:06:19.000 Yeah, quite a bit.

00:06:20.000 It's nice though because then you get the reprieve of using different muscles.

00:06:25.000 Your hiking muscles might be different than your flat running or your downhill muscles.

00:06:30.000 So you get to kind of switch it around, switch the effort around.

00:06:34.000 And why is everybody in this race using trekking poles? 0.89

00:06:36.000 I noticed that.

00:06:38.000 For me, they were helpful.

00:06:40.000 I didn't use them until the probably last quarter of the race.

00:06:45.000 And they were helpful just as my feet were becoming a little more tender and my muscles not quite as quick to catch me on the downhills and the uphills just to like disperse the effort a little bit to my arms.

00:06:45.000 Really?

00:06:58.000 Well, Jamie, pull up that video of the sort of preview video of the MOAB 240 when they showed all these people running over the top.

00:07:06.000 There's some precarious sections.

00:07:09.000 Yeah.

00:07:10.000 And when you're tired, you've already run like 80, 90 miles, then you hit these crazy precarious sections.

00:07:16.000 Like, what is that like?

00:07:17.000 That's like, don't die.

00:07:19.000 And no one's there watching you.

00:07:20.000 It's not like anybody's running with you other than other runners, right?

00:07:23.000 Like, this would be a lonely death.

00:07:25.000 Moab 200 Endurance Run is a 238-mile foot race through some of Utah's most stunning and challenging terrain.

00:07:31.000 And it really is stunning.

00:07:32.000 Yeah, look at that.

00:07:33.000 That's beautiful.

00:07:33.000 God, so beautiful.

00:07:34.000 And so Solomon is the sponsor of this?

00:07:37.000 They're the presenting sponsor.

00:07:39.000 And then there's a bunch of, like, sub-sponsors.

00:07:41.000 I love their trail shoes.

00:07:42.000 Look at this section.

00:07:43.000 That is insane.

00:07:44.000 This is the one that drives me nuts.

00:07:45.000 It's like if you just stumble off the side, that's a wrap, son.

00:07:49.000 Well, and they're making it look like so easy to run down.

00:07:49.000 Yeah.

00:07:53.000 I'm pretty sure I was like stumbling my way down that a lot less gracefully.

00:07:59.000 Well, how come these guys can't do it the way you do it though?

00:08:02.000 Like something's going on because like this has got to be like insane for the other people that were running it that you win by these giant margins.

00:08:13.000 Yeah, I don't know.

00:08:14.000 You really don't know?

00:08:16.000 What is your diet like?

00:08:18.000 Ooh, yeah.

00:08:21.000 Nachos.

00:08:23.000 Candy.

00:08:25.000 Nachos and candy?

00:08:27.000 Beer.

00:08:28.000 Yeah?

00:08:29.000 I mean, just a normal diet.

00:08:30.000 I don't restrict or try and include anything different than...

00:08:36.000 The normal, I guess.

00:08:37.000 The average American.

00:08:38.000 Wow.

00:08:39.000 So do you supplement with vitamins or do you take anything else?

00:08:45.000 I take a multivitamin.

00:08:47.000 Yeah.

00:08:47.000 That's it?

00:08:48.000 No minerals?

00:08:48.000 Wow.

00:08:49.000 No creatine?

00:08:50.000 Nothing crazy?

00:08:51.000 No.

00:08:52.000 No?

00:08:52.000 Nope.

00:08:53.000 So just essentially a multivitamin and just hoofing it with nachos in your belly.

00:08:56.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:08:59.000 That's crazy!

00:09:00.000 Like, I would expect that someone who is so far ahead of the rest of the pack that you would have some, like, you go to Colorado Springs, the Olympic training program, and they get you hooked up to these Rocky IV machines, like they had Drago, the Russian guy, and you're doing all this stuff, and they got, like, a music video soundtrack playing in the background.

00:09:18.000 You're the best!

00:09:19.000 Around!

00:09:22.000 Right?

00:09:22.000 I mean, that's what I would think.

00:09:24.000 But meanwhile, you're just drinking beer, eating nachos.

00:09:26.000 Yeah.

00:09:28.000 Does it help living in Colorado?

00:09:30.000 Like, you're at a good altitude, right?

00:09:32.000 Yeah, great altitude.

00:09:33.000 I think it probably helps.

00:09:34.000 I mean, I'm right outside Denver, so there's trails out my door.

00:09:39.000 So that's my, like, everyday run is on trails, climbing around the foothills of Colorado.

00:09:44.000 So quite a bit of climbing.

00:09:47.000 We're already at altitude, so it's gotta help.

00:09:51.000 So, talk me through your preparation.

00:09:54.000 So, when did it start?

00:09:55.000 Like, when did you sign up for this race?

00:09:57.000 When did you know that you were gonna do it?

00:10:00.000 I signed up in May, but I also was signed up for a 100-mile race a month prior to Moab, so like mid-September.

00:10:11.000 And so my preparation was mostly for that 100-mile race.

00:10:15.000 And then after the 100-miler, it was just trying to recover, make sure my legs and body felt fresh again, and then got squeezed in a couple more weeks of solid training to get ready for Moab. 0.93

00:10:27.000 It's so funny, because you say 100 miles, I'm like, that ain't shit. 0.98

00:10:30.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:10:33.000 Relative, you know, because a marathon to me would kill me.

00:10:37.000 But I mean, you saying that you ran 238 miles and then a hundred mile doesn't sound like much.

00:10:44.000 I know, child's play.

00:10:46.000 How long does it take you to run a hundred miles?

00:10:50.000 Usually somewhere around 24 hours or under, depending on the trail and the climbing and stuff.

00:10:56.000 So when you're getting ready, so you're preparing mostly for the 100-mile race, and then it's sort of recovery, and then did the 100-mile race essentially get you in condition for the 240?

00:11:05.000 Yeah, that's what I hoped, is that it could be a good springboard to the next one.

00:11:09.000 So is that condition, is that a mental thing, or are we talking about a physical thing and a mental thing?

00:11:16.000 I think both.

00:11:17.000 Yeah, your body is important, so the physical aspect is important as well.

00:11:23.000 And just being able to pound your legs for the amount of time, the amount of miles that you need to for these races is physically learned, for sure.

00:11:34.000 So what kind of daily miles were you putting in when you were getting ready for the 100?

00:11:38.000 I would average about 100 miles per week.

00:11:42.000 So, I don't know.

00:11:44.000 So that's not even too crazy.

00:11:45.000 That's not too crazy.

00:11:47.000 Right.

00:11:48.000 Because my friend Cam Haynes was trying to do a marathon a day.

00:11:51.000 Yeah, he's insane.

00:11:53.000 Is that too much?

00:11:53.000 That's so cool.

00:11:55.000 I mean, no.

00:11:56.000 He was doing great with it.

00:11:58.000 Well, he came in a day later than you.

00:12:02.000 You're like, yeah, keep it up.

00:12:04.000 You know what?

00:12:04.000 You should do like 40 miles a day.

00:12:06.000 Keep going, buddy.

00:12:08.000 No, I think it depends on people's bodies.

00:12:10.000 Some people, 100 miles per week is a lot.

00:12:14.000 Their bodies can't sustain that.

00:12:15.000 And for some, like Cam Haynes, he can do a marathon a day and be in great physical form for it.

00:12:22.000 But he's a meathead.

00:12:22.000 And I always wonder, I love him, but I say this with all due respect.

00:12:26.000 I wonder if he pushes too hard.

00:12:28.000 Maybe there's a fine line between, there's a point of diminishing return, perhaps?

00:12:34.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:12:35.000 You know, where you go so hard that you're kind of overtraining, and even though you can sustain it, really you get better performance out of pushing less.

00:12:44.000 Right.

00:12:45.000 Yeah, I can't speak to his training, but I think he's pretty new to all these ultras as well.

00:12:52.000 Yeah, I think so.

00:12:53.000 Over the last few years, he did the Bigfoot 200 last year, which is 205 miles.

00:12:58.000 He did that in 78 hours.

00:13:00.000 He actually did this race two hours quicker than he did the 205. Which is so cool.

00:13:04.000 Crazy.

00:13:05.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:13:05.000 Probably because he's just humiliated by you. 0.99

00:13:08.000 Oh, no.

00:13:09.000 I hope not.

00:13:09.000 He's like, this chick beat me by a day!

00:13:12.000 She beat me by a day! 1.00

00:13:13.000 So, like, forget about the second place person who you could have taken a nice, restful eight-hour sleep, gotten a fine meal at a restaurant, had a glass of wine, and took a shower, and brushed your teeth, painted your toenails, if you have any left.

00:13:29.000 Did they all fall off?

00:13:30.000 No, still got ten.

00:13:31.000 Really?

00:13:32.000 Yeah.

00:13:32.000 Cam's all fall off.

00:13:34.000 He takes pictures of them all taped up.

00:13:36.000 Oh, really? 0.98

00:13:36.000 Disgusting. 0.98

00:13:38.000 So when you're recovering from something like this, how long does it take before you feel normal again?

00:13:45.000 After this one, I felt like a human.

00:13:48.000 So I finished Sunday night, and I felt human by Wednesday, probably.

00:13:57.000 And got out for some jogs then, like, Friday, Saturday.

00:14:01.000 Really?

00:14:01.000 Yeah.

00:14:02.000 Wow.

00:14:03.000 I would be done with jogging forever.

00:14:05.000 I'd be like, enough of this. 1.00

00:14:06.000 This is so stupid. 1.00

00:14:08.000 I'll just take a car next time. 0.99

00:14:10.000 So, like, when you say you felt like a human again, like, what do you mean by that?

00:14:16.000 For me, those first couple nights after, I don't sleep very well.

00:14:20.000 I think, like, everything's just on overdrive.

00:14:22.000 My legs are throbbing and uncomfortable, and it's hard to, like, turn your brain off as much as you want to.

00:14:29.000 So I was finally, like, getting good, normal sleep by Wednesday, and it kind of messed with my appetite for a couple days as well, where food just, like, wasn't—it didn't sound that great, even though I was, like, totally depleted of nutrition.

00:14:44.000 Wow.

00:14:44.000 Yeah.

00:14:45.000 Yeah, it's got to be such a shock for your body.

00:14:48.000 Oh, for sure.

00:14:48.000 Who knows?

00:14:49.000 That's probably not good for us.

00:14:51.000 It can't be.

00:14:52.000 Well, I say it can't be, but maybe it can be, right?

00:14:55.000 Because maybe you're recovering, and maybe when you recover from that extreme exertion, your vitality ups.

00:15:03.000 Right.

00:15:04.000 Because, like, there's all these, like, people that say, like, I've read this, that if you run a marathon, you should take six months off.

00:15:12.000 I've read that.

00:15:13.000 I actually read that, like, someone's recommendation.

00:15:16.000 It takes you six months to recover from a marathon.

00:15:18.000 From one marathon.

00:15:19.000 Who?

00:15:19.000 Well, who?

00:15:20.000 You, fatso?

00:15:21.000 Like, who are you talking about?

00:15:22.000 Who's saying this?

00:15:23.000 Like, obviously there's people that can do more than you. 0.99

00:15:25.000 Like, people who are writing this stuff down are silly. 0.96

00:15:28.000 Because, no. 0.88

00:15:29.000 Because Cam, if he can run a marathon a day, obviously he doesn't need six months off.

00:15:33.000 Right.

00:15:33.000 And I've hung out with him after he's done this, and he's totally normal.

00:15:36.000 Yeah.

00:15:36.000 Like, it doesn't seem like there's anything wrong with him.

00:15:38.000 So, that's not true.

00:15:39.000 So the question is, like, Who are we comparing to?

00:15:43.000 Who's our baseline?

00:15:44.000 Is our baseline like a guy who barely works out?

00:15:47.000 Or is our baseline you?

00:15:48.000 Because you're going to get two radically different results.

00:15:50.000 Right.

00:15:51.000 Got to take those articles with a grain of salt.

00:15:54.000 Well, that's the thing.

00:15:54.000 Yeah.

00:15:55.000 What I was saying to Kim, I was like, well, how do you know how much to train?

00:15:58.000 He goes, no one knows how much to train for this stuff because it's really just guesswork.

00:16:01.000 Yeah, which is part of the cool part.

00:16:05.000 There's a million pieces to the puzzle of ultra running and figuring them out is part of the fun of doing this sport.

00:16:13.000 Now what has it been like for you after you won?

00:16:18.000 I've talked to so many people that really have no interest normally in endurance running and they've brought you up constantly.

00:16:27.000 You're like a superstar.

00:16:30.000 I'm sure this sounds crazy to you, but my friend Brian Stevens, he was texting me the whole way back and forth while this was going on, and he was looking at your numbers and your times. 0.96

00:16:40.000 He's like, this is fucking insane. 0.99

00:16:42.000 This woman is insane. 1.00

00:16:43.000 How is she doing this? 0.99

00:16:45.000 Well, thank you.

00:16:46.000 They had a good tracking system.

00:16:47.000 That was so fun for people to watch.

00:16:50.000 Yeah, that's what Brian was saying.

00:16:51.000 He's like, I've never been less productive because I'm just going online and checking this thing constantly.

00:16:58.000 I mean, since then, I had to create a Twitter.

00:16:58.000 Yeah.

00:17:02.000 You didn't have any social media?

00:17:04.000 I had a Facebook, but...

00:17:04.000 Instagram.

00:17:06.000 Maybe that's how you were successful.

00:17:08.000 I don't know.

00:17:09.000 You weren't just bogged down by all the nonsense that people just...

00:17:12.000 Social media nonsense can eat up a lot of your day.

00:17:15.000 Yeah.

00:17:15.000 Well, I'm still figuring it out, so...

00:17:18.000 Don't even bother.

00:17:19.000 Just occasionally post things and just ignore everything else.

00:17:22.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:17:23.000 I'll just retweet a few things.

00:17:25.000 That's the move.

00:17:26.000 Just learning about those.

00:17:27.000 Yeah, just press that little retweet button whenever anything's interesting.

00:17:30.000 That's a good move.

00:17:31.000 Yeah.

00:17:31.000 So like when you finish the race, like what is the feeling like when you cross the line and you look back and you don't even see a person?

00:17:40.000 Like you wouldn't be able to see them with fucking binoculars. 0.97

00:17:44.000 Like, they're on the other side of the earth. 0.98

00:17:45.000 Like, the curve of the earth, if you believe that thing, the curve of the earth is literally so far.

00:17:51.000 Like, they're beyond the curve.

00:17:54.000 That's true, right?

00:17:56.000 Isn't it?

00:17:56.000 20 miles?

00:17:57.000 I would imagine you can't see straight 20 miles.

00:18:00.000 I would imagine 20 miles.

00:18:01.000 You might be able to see, like, the top of a dude's head.

00:18:04.000 And he's like...

00:18:05.000 You'd have to have one of them crazy binos.

00:18:09.000 Yeah, if you're glassing, you could probably see him.

00:18:10.000 Yeah, if you're glassing.

00:18:12.000 Just glassing.

00:18:14.000 I mean, what is that feeling like?

00:18:17.000 It felt amazing.

00:18:18.000 You know, with the tracking system that we had, when I left the last aid station, there's like 17 miles to go.

00:18:27.000 And it was pretty much, we could see that it was certain that I could get to the line first as long as I didn't like take a nap out there or become like physically incapable.

00:18:40.000 But you could take a nap.

00:18:42.000 You could take a nice one.

00:18:42.000 That was the thing.

00:18:44.000 Did you think about that?

00:18:45.000 No.

00:18:46.000 Let me just take a nice nap here.

00:18:48.000 Oh, a nice five-hour nap.

00:18:50.000 And you still have, like, five-plus hours ahead of everybody.

00:18:54.000 Yeah.

00:18:54.000 Oh, maybe you'd...

00:18:55.000 Yeah, that would be nice.

00:18:57.000 It was nice because I was running with my husband at that point and we could enjoy the trail and not be super anxious about trying to be really efficient, but just trying to be efficient on the course.

00:19:11.000 But then we saw that getting under 58 hours was possible.

00:19:15.000 So then I got a little bee in my bonnet about trying to push the pace a little bit more.

00:19:21.000 A bee in your bonnet.

00:19:23.000 I've never heard that phrase before.

00:19:24.000 Oh, you should come to Minnesota.

00:19:24.000 That's a great phrase.

00:19:25.000 We've got all sorts of good phrases.

00:19:28.000 So does your husband run the same kind of races that you run?

00:19:31.000 Or did he just like hop in every now and then?

00:19:35.000 He runs 50 milers and 50k, so 31 miles.

00:19:38.000 But he didn't enter this race?

00:19:40.000 No, he didn't.

00:19:40.000 So he just kind of helped you along?

00:19:42.000 Jumped in at certain spots?

00:19:42.000 Yep.

00:19:43.000 So how does he get to these spots?

00:19:44.000 Do you have to drive?

00:19:45.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:19:46.000 So he's all relaxed and got a Starbucks in his hand?

00:19:49.000 No, I mean, if you picture a 238 mile loop...

00:19:53.000 He had to drive to all of the places on this course.

00:19:57.000 Oh, poor baby. 0.96

00:19:57.000 He spent the day in the car, the couple days in the car, and I had a fantastic crew of friends out there. 0.96

00:20:03.000 And in these races, you can have pacers for certain sections.

00:20:07.000 So I could have a buddy run with me who was fresh, and their brain and their eyes and their legs were more alert to help me just keep track of the course flags, like staying on course and stuff like that.

00:20:21.000 That's interesting.

00:20:22.000 When you're doing this for this amount of hours, what was the total hours again?

00:20:26.000 50?

00:20:27.000 Right under 58. So when you're doing it for this amount of hours, how much sleep are you getting?

00:20:32.000 I slept 21 minutes.

00:20:39.000 Wow.

00:20:40.000 That is so crazy.

00:20:43.000 That was two separate naps.

00:20:44.000 Really?

00:20:45.000 Yeah.

00:20:46.000 So like 10 and an 11?

00:20:48.000 A 20 and a 1. Really?

00:20:51.000 Yeah.

00:20:51.000 The one minute nap?

00:20:53.000 You count?

00:20:53.000 Oh man, it was amazing.

00:20:55.000 The best sleep I've ever had.

00:20:57.000 Was it really?

00:20:58.000 It really was.

00:20:59.000 Why'd you get up, though, after a minute?

00:21:02.000 So I did the 20-minute nap intentionally.

00:21:05.000 I crawled in the back of our crew car.

00:21:07.000 We had a sleeping bag back there, and I tried to, like, get some good rest after—it was, like, middle of the second night.

00:21:15.000 And I didn't sleep very well.

00:21:18.000 I was just really uncomfortable.

00:21:20.000 Just because you were so wrecked?

00:21:20.000 Yeah, and I was still pretty amped up, so I couldn't shut my brain off, even though it was becoming pretty delirious.

00:21:28.000 So then I left that aid station after laying in the car for 20 minutes, and I was on the trail with one of my good friends and pacers, and I was falling asleep as I was running, zigzagging all over the trail.

00:21:40.000 I couldn't keep my eyes open.

00:21:42.000 So at one point, I was bent over, and I was like, Faceplanting towards the ground and he's like, just lay down, take a nap right here, right on the trail.

00:21:51.000 So I'm laying down, already snoring as I'm like, one minute, just one minute.

00:21:56.000 Wakes me up one minute later and I was more alert than I've ever been.

00:22:01.000 And then we were super pumped up the rest of the time because we were like, a one minute nap, it worked!

00:22:07.000 That's the craziest thing I've ever heard in my life.

00:22:09.000 Yeah.

00:22:09.000 A bunch of people, like, I talked to Cam.

00:22:12.000 I think he took a similarly, like, really short nap, and it just, like, rejuvenates you in a weird way.

00:22:19.000 Wow.

00:22:20.000 I've heard that before, that, like, if you're really tired, a 20-minute nap will make a huge difference if you could just lie down.

00:22:26.000 And I've always, like, ignored that.

00:22:27.000 Like, how is that going to be beneficial?

00:22:29.000 Yeah.

00:22:29.000 Next time, try just one minute.

00:22:33.000 I'm too lazy.

00:22:34.000 I would stay asleep.

00:22:37.000 When he woke you up after one minute, were you like, why'd you wake me up?

00:22:41.000 No, I was like, why'd you let me sleep so long?

00:22:43.000 I thought it had been at least 30 minutes.

00:22:47.000 And I was like, dude, we gotta go.

00:22:49.000 Why'd you let me sleep so long?

00:22:51.000 Wow.

00:22:52.000 That was one minute.

00:22:53.000 One whole minute, ready, go, and you were just out cold.

00:22:56.000 Out cold.

00:22:56.000 I REM cycled, like, dreams and everything.

00:22:59.000 Really?

00:22:59.000 Yeah.

00:22:59.000 Do you remember them?

00:23:00.000 I don't, but it was like the deepest sleep.

00:23:03.000 Wow.

00:23:03.000 And what was cool is, as I was laying on the trail for one minute, it was dark and beautiful stars out, and there were elk bugling, like, up on the hillside.

00:23:14.000 Oh, wow.

00:23:14.000 It was cool.

00:23:15.000 I didn't hallucinate that.

00:23:17.000 That was real.

00:23:18.000 Wow.

00:23:19.000 Did you hallucinate at all?

00:23:20.000 I had some hallucinations, yeah.

00:23:22.000 What did you see?

00:23:23.000 You know, in the forest at night, everything just becomes something.

00:23:28.000 So there were tons of faces and animals.

00:23:30.000 There was a guy playing a cello.

00:23:33.000 There was a leopard hanging out in a hammock.

00:23:39.000 How vivid are these?

00:23:41.000 I mean, I think they're real and I'm waving at them.

00:23:45.000 You're waving at the leopard in the hammock?

00:23:47.000 Well, I didn't wave to him.

00:23:48.000 I waved to the cello player.

00:23:50.000 Really?

00:23:50.000 Yeah.

00:23:51.000 But did you know he wasn't real as you were running by?

00:23:53.000 Yeah.

00:23:54.000 I mean, now that I've done these quite a few times in the night, I usually see some things.

00:23:59.000 And so now it's just like kind of cool to acknowledge that it's happening and try and remember so I can tell my friends afterwards.

00:24:08.000 So is there any part of you that thinks like, hey, there's a guy with a cello in the woods.

00:24:14.000 Or is there just a recognition that you're freaking out because you're running 58 miles or 58 hours?

00:24:20.000 I think just a recognition like, huh, guy with cello.

00:24:24.000 Noted.

00:24:26.000 So you're just so focused on what you're doing that even the most bizarre thing, like a leopard in a hammock.

00:24:32.000 Yeah, I mean, it just happens now.

00:24:34.000 So I know there's not actually one.

00:24:37.000 But how often does this take place?

00:24:38.000 I mean, how many of these have you done, these ultramarathons?

00:24:43.000 Quite a few.

00:24:44.000 And did the hallucinations start in the early ones?

00:24:47.000 Yeah, basically my first couple hundred milers where you go through the night.

00:24:52.000 It's always the night time where shadows just play tricks on you.

00:24:56.000 And so I'm in the mountains of Colorado and there's giraffes and flying eels and all sorts of weird things.

00:25:04.000 And at first I was freaked out about it, but now it's just like...

00:25:09.000 Alright, that'll be a fun story to tell afterwards.

00:25:12.000 Have you talked to a doctor or anyone and say, hey, what happens to the mind?

00:25:16.000 No, I haven't.

00:25:18.000 I'd be fascinated to know what's happening that's causing you to have these extreme visual hallucinations.

00:25:26.000 So you're saying they looked real.

00:25:28.000 Yeah.

00:25:29.000 But I think it's just like shadows and your brain is too tired to like process so it just like jumbles them together into something that would make sense.

00:25:39.000 Wow.

00:25:40.000 I don't know.

00:25:41.000 But it's not freaking you out.

00:25:43.000 You're just like, alright, hey cello guy.

00:25:44.000 Hey man.

00:25:45.000 Rock on dude.

00:25:46.000 Yeah, thanks for the tunes.

00:25:49.000 Could you hear him?

00:25:50.000 No.

00:25:51.000 No?

00:25:51.000 So he was just like silently playing a cello?

00:25:53.000 Yeah, which is creepy in itself.

00:25:56.000 Wow.

00:25:57.000 Is that the only hallucinations or was there anything else weird?

00:26:01.000 During this one?

00:26:02.000 Yeah.

00:26:03.000 Those were like the significant ones.

00:26:05.000 Otherwise just a lot of like random faces on trees or rocks and stuff like that.

00:26:10.000 Now, as you're running, right, and you're running for 50-whatever miles or 58 hours and you're constantly moving forward, is there a point in time where your body, like, what does it feel like?

00:26:24.000 Are you, like, in constant pain or are you just numb to it?

00:26:29.000 Like, what happens?

00:26:31.000 You go in waves.

00:26:34.000 You'll be riding this wave where you're just feeling amazing and really fresh and your legs can cruise pretty well and nothing hurts.

00:26:44.000 Everything's feeling really good.

00:26:46.000 And then that wave will eventually come crashing down where things are hurting again.

00:26:51.000 You might be like whimpering along for a little bit, but the cool part about these is that those waves like, I mean, they always come and then they go.

00:27:00.000 So you ride this like high and low the whole race.

00:27:04.000 And when it gets really low, when you're feeling awful, you just have to remember that you're going to feel better again soon.

00:27:11.000 You just got to keep chugging along.

00:27:13.000 So you're in pain and then somehow or another you feel better even though you don't stop running.

00:27:18.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:27:19.000 How does that work?

00:27:19.000 I don't know, like a switch flips or sometimes I'll like intentionally during those lows take more calories in thinking maybe that will help just like give my body some something to burn for a while to make it happy again.

00:27:34.000 What kind of stuff can you eat while you're running this much?

00:27:37.000 In one this length, I was doing a lot of water, Gatorade, and then there's this powder you can put in water called Tailwind.

00:27:46.000 It has electrolytes and 200 calories per bottle, so you're getting in calories.

00:27:52.000 And then normal athletic foods like Honey Stinger products, which are gels and shoes and stuff.

00:28:01.000 But then I was...

00:28:04.000 Eating boatloads of the cheese quesadillas at all the aid stations.

00:28:09.000 They serve cheese quesadillas?

00:28:11.000 Oh my gosh, it was like a whole buffet line.

00:28:13.000 Anything you wanted were at these aid stations.

00:28:16.000 And it was good?

00:28:17.000 Oh, it was amazing.

00:28:18.000 Wow.

00:28:19.000 So you could eat cheese quesadillas and just keep running?

00:28:21.000 Yeah, so I would stop at each aid station.

00:28:26.000 Demolish a cheese quesadilla, like hang out for just a second to let my body reset, and then keep cruising.

00:28:33.000 Which normally I'm not very good at eating real food during, but this just felt like too much.

00:28:33.000 Wow.

00:28:38.000 There's Cam with the bacon cheeseburger.

00:28:39.000 Yeah.

00:28:41.000 Covered in a blanket.

00:28:42.000 That's another thing, like there's points in the race where it's extremely cold, right?

00:28:46.000 It got really cold.

00:28:47.000 I think we hit nine degrees on the second night.

00:28:50.000 And what are you wearing?

00:28:52.000 A couple jackets, like a windbreaker jacket and a rain jacket and some gloves, like a headband, some pants, nothing like absurd.

00:29:02.000 So just the fact that you're constantly moving, you stay fairly warm?

00:29:06.000 Yeah.

00:29:06.000 And the windbreaker is the rain jacket to stop rain or from wind?

00:29:11.000 Just layers.

00:29:12.000 I just wanted to try and insulate the body heat.

00:29:15.000 Are you eating those little waffle things, those bee stingers?

00:29:20.000 Yeah, I love those.

00:29:21.000 Yeah, those are great too.

00:29:21.000 Yeah, those are great.

00:29:21.000 You've had them?

00:29:22.000 They're awesome.

00:29:23.000 So you're just trying to take in the densest stuff, like sugars and cheese and quesadilla, just anything.

00:29:31.000 Just anything that would stay in.

00:29:31.000 Yeah.

00:29:33.000 I didn't want to get nauseous and start losing it on the trail.

00:29:36.000 And Cam said he doesn't go to the bathroom the entire time.

00:29:39.000 He doesn't have to.

00:29:40.000 Food just goes in and just gets burned.

00:29:44.000 Is that the case with you too?

00:29:46.000 I use the bathroom.

00:29:47.000 It's a rude question to ask women. 0.71

00:29:48.000 Yeah, no, bring it.

00:29:51.000 But he said he didn't poop for like three days.

00:29:53.000 I don't know if that's healthy, Cam.

00:29:55.000 Yeah, he's got a lot of unhealthy problems.

00:29:57.000 Talk to him.

00:30:00.000 Maybe he'll listen to you.

00:30:01.000 He doesn't listen to me.

00:30:03.000 No, I used the restroom while I was out there.

00:30:05.000 Did you have to pee?

00:30:06.000 Yeah.

00:30:07.000 Well, that's crazy because I would think that you're sweating so much that it would just go right through your skin.

00:30:11.000 Yeah, I'm not sure the science of it.

00:30:13.000 For a while I was peeing like way too much, like multiple times per mile.

00:30:18.000 And I think it has something to do with the amount of salt that you're taking in.

00:30:23.000 Oh, okay.

00:30:23.000 That was another question I had.

00:30:24.000 Are you taking salt tablets?

00:30:26.000 I wasn't until I was having this problem and then it was like we gotta try and stop this because that's not good either to go as often as that.

00:30:35.000 Yeah.

00:30:36.000 So then I took some salt tabs or whatever pills.

00:30:39.000 Did that clear it up?

00:30:40.000 Yep.

00:30:41.000 Now what are those like do you know what milligrams how much salt you're actually taking in?

00:30:45.000 Nope.

00:30:46.000 No.

00:30:46.000 They're just like S-caps or something.

00:30:49.000 They're just a normal like you can buy them at any athletic store.

00:30:54.000 Just a little pill of salt, I think.

00:30:57.000 And it's mostly for runners, essentially.

00:31:00.000 That's all I've seen use them, but you could probably have some if you wanted.

00:31:06.000 So what's the thought process behind it, though?

00:31:08.000 The thought process is that your body is pushing through all these minerals and the salt helps you retain water?

00:31:14.000 Yeah.

00:31:15.000 And what about other minerals?

00:31:17.000 Do you have to take magnesium or anything else while you're doing that?

00:31:19.000 I didn't, no.

00:31:20.000 And I don't even really know the exact contents of that tailwind powder that I was putting in.

00:31:27.000 I know it has lots of electrolytes and stuff like that that's supposed to help, but I'm not sure if it has some of the other pieces that people need during these.

00:31:36.000 Now, before the race gets started, do you hyperhydrate?

00:31:39.000 Do you drink a ton of water to get ready?

00:31:42.000 Yeah, I tried.

00:31:43.000 I mean, nothing too crazy.

00:31:45.000 Nothing too crazy?

00:31:46.000 No.

00:31:47.000 What about food before the race? 0.50

00:31:48.000 Do you just eat like a pig and get ready?

00:31:50.000 No. 0.98

00:31:51.000 No?

00:31:52.000 No.

00:31:54.000 Just normal.

00:31:55.000 Normal nachos.

00:31:56.000 Just normal nachos, normal beer.

00:31:58.000 And so, like, when you're, like, as you're leaving, like, as ready, set, go. 0.99

00:32:05.000 What's the state of mind you go into when you know that you're about to run 238 miles and kick everybody's ass? 0.99

00:32:14.000 It was exciting. 0.94

00:32:15.000 I mean, it was this big adventure that I had high expectations of myself while at the same time having no expectations of myself because I didn't know how it was gonna go.

00:32:27.000 And I really wanted to just enjoy Being out there, like, moving my body with my feet for multiple days was really exciting.

00:32:36.000 So I was pumped at the beginning and spent those first probably 50 miles, like, running with various people through the desert.

00:32:44.000 There's, like, canyon walls just, like, towering on every side and just trying to enjoy that, like, this is just the beginning.

00:32:52.000 If you start to think about, like, how far you have to go, you're going to freak yourself out.

00:32:58.000 So, like, just be right now.

00:33:00.000 So you just sort of stay in the moment?

00:33:02.000 That's what I was trying to do, yeah.

00:33:03.000 Just left foot, right foot, left foot, right foot.

00:33:06.000 Yup, yup.

00:33:07.000 That's it.

00:33:08.000 Easy as that.

00:33:10.000 Is there ever a moment while you're doing this where you want to stop?

00:33:14.000 And quit?

00:33:15.000 Yes.

00:33:16.000 No, I never wanted to quit.

00:33:19.000 I knew that the cutoff time was...

00:33:23.000 Tuesday night and so no matter what happened out there I was going to make sure I'm finished this race even if I was Coming in Tuesday night like if it meant I had to sleep for Many many hours or multiple times or if I had to like death march my way around the desert I was gonna finish it death march You know just like slow.

00:33:46.000 Oh, okay That's a harsh way of looking at it, though.

00:33:51.000 Oh, sorry.

00:33:52.000 Don't apologize.

00:33:52.000 No, no.

00:33:53.000 It's good.

00:33:55.000 I did notice that there were some people that were still running.

00:33:58.000 You know, after you guys had finished and, you know, after Cam had finished, I stopped looking at the time for quite a while, and then I went like eight hours, nine hours later, and I'm like, oh my god, people are still running.

00:34:11.000 Yeah, those are warriors.

00:34:12.000 They're so impressive.

00:34:14.000 I mean, they were out there putting on their headlamp for the fifth night.

00:34:19.000 That's a long time to be out there and it was incredible.

00:34:23.000 We got to hang around the finish line and watch quite a few of those.

00:34:26.000 You stuck around?

00:34:27.000 Yup, yeah.

00:34:29.000 That was one of the best parts.

00:34:30.000 Were you eating ice cream?

00:34:32.000 Drinking beer.

00:34:35.000 But did you think to yourself, like, how the hell did I finish so much faster than anybody?

00:34:44.000 No, I thought, how the heck are these people so incredible and still going?

00:34:50.000 I mean, I'd like to think I'd be able to keep pushing myself on that fourth day into the fourth night, but that's mentally really hard.

00:34:59.000 Oh, it's got to be.

00:35:00.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:35:01.000 But you do understand that you stomped everybody's ass. 0.99

00:35:05.000 You do get that, right? 0.99

00:35:06.000 You're so humble.

00:35:08.000 This is kind of amazing.

00:35:10.000 Thank you.

00:35:12.000 You do understand that though, right?

00:35:13.000 I mean, it's like, has it internalized?

00:35:15.000 Um, I understand.

00:35:18.000 Yeah, I put together a pretty good day.

00:35:21.000 And when you when you stop and you think about when you reflect and you look back on it, we're like, you know, a week past it was about more than two weeks.

00:35:29.000 How long ago was it?

00:35:30.000 Oh, one week, one week.

00:35:31.000 Yep.

00:35:32.000 So you're a week past it.

00:35:33.000 And how do you like, how do you process that?

00:35:39.000 Yeah, I'm still working on it.

00:35:43.000 Just the whole adventure, all the places, all the sights I got to see, the people that I got to meet, the fact that my feet carried me that far.

00:35:53.000 What kind of shoes do you run?

00:35:55.000 Salomon shoes.

00:35:56.000 Okay, so same as the...

00:35:58.000 Which ones?

00:35:59.000 They're called the Sense Ride.

00:36:00.000 Mm-hmm.

00:36:01.000 Have you tried them?

00:36:02.000 No, I haven't.

00:36:03.000 I see you got some Solomons on.

00:36:05.000 Yeah, I always wear these trail runner things.

00:36:08.000 Speed cross ones. 0.96

00:36:10.000 Speed cross.

00:36:10.000 I like those because they're good.

00:36:12.000 They have a lot of grip.

00:36:13.000 When I'm not wearing those Vibrams, I wear those five finger shoes too.

00:36:17.000 I sort of alternate.

00:36:18.000 So do you run the sidewalks in those?

00:36:21.000 No, I just run trails.

00:36:23.000 You run around here?

00:36:24.000 Yeah.

00:36:25.000 That's awesome.

00:36:26.000 It's good, but it's not, like Colorado, you're dealing with altitude and a lot more.

00:36:30.000 You also have, like, didn't someone just die?

00:36:32.000 Some endurance guy just got bit by a rattlesnake near you?

00:36:34.000 Yeah.

00:36:35.000 That's in Golden, wasn't it?

00:36:36.000 Yup, which is where I live. 1.00

00:36:38.000 Holy shit. 1.00

00:36:39.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:36:39.000 What happened to that dude? 0.98

00:36:41.000 It was really unfortunate.

00:36:42.000 I don't actually know the whole story, but he was out on a trail, like, it's a couple miles from my house and got bit and had some, like, weird reaction to it.

00:36:52.000 Like, he had help pretty quickly and got to the hospital in pretty good time, but unfortunately, something about his body and that bite, like, wasn't good.

00:37:03.000 Wow.

00:37:04.000 Yeah.

00:37:05.000 Because I've thought rattlesnakes, like, you have a few hours.

00:37:09.000 Usually, right?

00:37:10.000 Yeah, I mean...

00:37:12.000 It's not good, but you have a few hours.

00:37:14.000 And pretty much, if you read anything about what to do after a rattlesnake bite, those things are wrong.

00:37:20.000 You pretty much can't do anything.

00:37:22.000 You shouldn't suck the venom out.

00:37:24.000 You shouldn't slice it open.

00:37:26.000 You shouldn't do anything.

00:37:27.000 Just get to the hospital as calmly as possible.

00:37:31.000 You shouldn't suck the venom out? 0.92

00:37:32.000 No.

00:37:33.000 What was that, a Dan Aykroyd movie? 1.00

00:37:36.000 Where he got venom in his butt and he's telling someone to suck the venom out of his butt. 1.00

00:37:41.000 Remember that? 1.00

00:37:42.000 No.

00:37:43.000 I remember that.

00:37:47.000 But I bet we're going to see it here in a second.

00:37:49.000 Yeah, I'm sure.

00:37:50.000 Jamie's furiously typing.

00:37:53.000 The reason why I remember it is because Sam Kinison was mocking him.

00:37:57.000 Was mocking it.

00:37:58.000 They almost had some sort of a feud back in the day.

00:38:01.000 Anyway.

00:38:01.000 Well, if he had...

00:38:02.000 It was in City Slickers.

00:38:03.000 Was it in City Slickers?

00:38:04.000 Oh, okay.

00:38:04.000 Yeah.

00:38:05.000 Oh, that's why Sam Kinison was mocking it.

00:38:07.000 He got kicked off the original City Slickers.

00:38:10.000 He was in it.

00:38:11.000 He was in the original cast.

00:38:12.000 Oh, wow.

00:38:13.000 And he didn't get along with somebody and they got rid of him. 0.98

00:38:16.000 Well, it wouldn't have helped if he did suck the venom out.

00:38:18.000 Why do people think that you should do that?

00:38:20.000 I don't know.

00:38:21.000 Like Old Wives Tale or something?

00:38:22.000 I'm not sure.

00:38:23.000 Yeah, they say you're supposed to cut it.

00:38:25.000 Cut it open and you can't do that?

00:38:26.000 Yeah, you're not supposed to do that either.

00:38:28.000 What do you do?

00:38:29.000 Do you make a tourniquet?

00:38:30.000 I think that's actually a good idea, right?

00:38:34.000 The latest thing I read that's the best to do is just have a sharpie along.

00:38:39.000 Circle where the bite is and mark the time.

00:38:41.000 And then every 20 minutes, if you have to hike yourself out or you're trying to get somewhere to go get help, circle it again 20 minutes later to show where the swelling has gotten to so that the doctors have a better idea of how quickly it's moving through you.

00:38:58.000 I saw a horrible thing online.

00:39:00.000 This young man got bit in his arm, and his skin started to die, and his tissue started to die, you know, necrosis.

00:39:09.000 And so they had to do all these massive skin grafts and just massive surgeries, and it had essentially rotted down to the bone, and you could see, like, the bone in his arm.

00:39:21.000 But he lived.

00:39:21.000 It was rough.

00:39:23.000 Yeah, but I think he'd gone through more than ten surgeries.

00:39:28.000 Geez.

00:39:28.000 Yeah, it was awful.

00:39:29.000 And I didn't know that rattlesnakes could do that to you.

00:39:32.000 I'm like, whoa.

00:39:32.000 Yeah.

00:39:33.000 You have rattlesnakes here?

00:39:34.000 Oh, yeah.

00:39:35.000 I killed one just a couple weeks ago. 0.88

00:39:35.000 Yeah. 0.88

00:39:37.000 With your bare hands.

00:39:38.000 I stomped it.

00:39:39.000 Oh.

00:39:40.000 Yeah, I stomp whenever chance I get. 1.00

00:39:43.000 People say you shouldn't, but fuck them. 1.00

00:39:46.000 Like, if they're near my house, like, there's no... 1.00

00:39:48.000 I have kids.

00:39:49.000 I have little kids.

00:39:50.000 Like, any rattlesnake that's in my yard is dead.

00:39:53.000 What else?

00:39:53.000 You guys have mountain lions out here.

00:39:55.000 Yes.

00:39:55.000 Have you ever seen one of those?

00:39:57.000 I've seen them, but I saw them in Colorado.

00:39:59.000 I haven't seen one out here.

00:40:00.000 I saw one in Santa Barbara, actually.

00:40:03.000 That was weird.

00:40:04.000 It was in Montecito, which is like this really nice residential community, and we were driving up the road, and I saw what I thought was a coyote.

00:40:11.000 I was like, who's a coyote?

00:40:12.000 I go, what a tail! 1.00

00:40:14.000 Oh, it's a fucking cat! 1.00

00:40:15.000 Just out on the street? 1.00

00:40:16.000 Just out on a regular street.

00:40:17.000 Wow. 1.00

00:40:18.000 Yeah, it was a big fucker, too. 1.00

00:40:19.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:40:20.000 You know, like probably 70, 80 pounds.

00:40:22.000 Those are scary.

00:40:23.000 Yeah, it's like, it's not big for a mountain lion.

00:40:26.000 They get to be like 150 and up.

00:40:28.000 What's really interesting on here is people don't, everyone here is so urbanized that their understanding of what a mountain lion is, is like, you know, they think it's the Lion King.

00:40:39.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:40:40.000 There's this one that, he has a name too, it's like P32 or P41 or some shit. 0.96

00:40:46.000 He went on a killing rampage at an alpaca farm. 0.99

00:40:50.000 Okay.

00:40:50.000 And killed like 11 alpacas and a goat.

00:40:54.000 Yeah.

00:40:55.000 And doesn't even eat them.

00:40:56.000 He just went on a rampage.

00:40:58.000 And this woman got a depredation permit to kill it because it's her alpaca farm. 1.00

00:40:58.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:41:04.000 And like this lion has just decided to start fucking up her animals. 0.96

00:41:07.000 And this is like what she does for a living. 1.00

00:41:09.000 Okay.

00:41:10.000 And she got all these death threats from animal rights activists.

00:41:14.000 I mean like death threats.

00:41:15.000 Like she was terrified.

00:41:16.000 So she decided not to do anything.

00:41:16.000 Yeah.

00:41:18.000 She was going to hire someone to kill this mountain lion. 1.00

00:41:20.000 But it's like, if you love animals, wouldn't you want to stop the animal that's murdering all her animals, you fucking crazy assholes? 1.00

00:41:27.000 Well, and it's not doing it for food, which is unusual. 1.00

00:41:30.000 Well, apparently they have a reaction.

00:41:32.000 They can get into a pen when there's a bunch of them in there. 0.90

00:41:35.000 They just can't help themselves.

00:41:36.000 Okay.

00:41:37.000 They just can't help themselves.

00:41:38.000 They just see them all there, and they just jack one and jack the other one.

00:41:41.000 And he wasn't even eating them.

00:41:43.000 He didn't eat any of them.

00:41:43.000 Jeez.

00:41:44.000 Yeah.

00:41:44.000 Yeah, I've never seen one out on a run, but I've always got my eyes peeled.

00:41:48.000 It would be so scary.

00:41:50.000 Oh, they're terrifying.

00:41:51.000 They're terrifying animals.

00:41:52.000 And, you know, for the most part, they're important.

00:41:54.000 They're an important part of the ecosystem.

00:41:56.000 Oh, yeah.

00:41:56.000 But the weird thing about out here is we've sort of sectioned off their habitat by our highway system.

00:42:03.000 And so there's some of them that are stuck in the Santa Monica Mountains and the genetic diversity is not very strong.

00:42:10.000 Right.

00:42:10.000 I actually had a coyote expert on here.

00:42:14.000 He works for the...

00:42:15.000 What did he work for?

00:42:17.000 What was the actual organization he worked for?

00:42:22.000 What the hell was it?

00:42:27.000 We can do this for a while.

00:42:29.000 Anyway, some sort of park ranger type fellow.

00:42:31.000 Really nice guy.

00:42:32.000 But he was telling us about the ones that they have in Griffith Park.

00:42:36.000 There's a mountain line in Griffith Park.

00:42:38.000 People are just jogging and riding their bikes, and this guy is just out there eating deer all day long.

00:42:43.000 And they have to capture him every couple of years.

00:42:45.000 They have to dart him because his collar...

00:42:49.000 The tracking device on his collar runs out of batteries.

00:42:52.000 So every couple years they gotta put the whack on this guy, put him to sleep, and redo it.

00:42:57.000 But they leave him in the park.

00:42:59.000 Exactly.

00:43:00.000 They don't want to relocate?

00:43:02.000 No.

00:43:04.000 It's interesting.

00:43:05.000 One of the good things about California is that we don't have a lot of car accidents with deer.

00:43:11.000 You know, it's very uncommon.

00:43:13.000 Okay.

00:43:14.000 Whereas, you said you're from Michigan?

00:43:16.000 Minnesota.

00:43:17.000 Minnesota has a lot.

00:43:18.000 A lot of them.

00:43:19.000 A lot of car accidents.

00:43:20.000 Yeah.

00:43:21.000 And these places where they don't have apex predators, they have a lot.

00:43:28.000 Do you guys have, what do you have out there?

00:43:30.000 Like as far as, do you have wolves?

00:43:31.000 In Minnesota?

00:43:32.000 Yeah.

00:43:33.000 Wolves.

00:43:33.000 Yeah.

00:43:35.000 Deer.

00:43:36.000 I think like way north there's even like, I mean there's got to be moose and...

00:43:40.000 Do you have mountain lions in Minnesota?

00:43:41.000 I don't know about any mountain lions.

00:43:43.000 Well out here there's a lot of coyotes which get the fawns and then there's mountain lions which decimate the deer.

00:43:43.000 Yeah.

00:43:52.000 So no car accidents.

00:43:53.000 Very few deer.

00:43:54.000 California is like a really low deer density state.

00:43:57.000 Interesting.

00:43:58.000 So there's good to that.

00:44:00.000 Northern Minnesota fighting cougars now believed to be bobcats.

00:44:04.000 Oh, they were fighting each other?

00:44:06.000 They're up in a tree?

00:44:08.000 Yeah, that's a bobcat.

00:44:10.000 Where's his tail?

00:44:11.000 No, that's fake.

00:44:12.000 This one is, but I don't think so.

00:44:15.000 Like, that's Photoshop.

00:44:16.000 What is the one on the left?

00:44:17.000 What is that?

00:44:18.000 It's probably to hide something.

00:44:19.000 It's cardboard cutout.

00:44:20.000 Cardboard cutout of a typical size of a cougar or mountain line left is compared to the photograph of a bobcat.

00:44:25.000 Oh, they were just probably doing it for the photos.

00:44:26.000 Oh, yeah.

00:44:27.000 Oh, that makes sense.

00:44:28.000 Just Minnesotans passing the time.

00:44:30.000 Oh, yeah.

00:44:31.000 Well, I saw a bobcat that I thought was a cougar.

00:44:34.000 I saw a bobcat with its cubs at Tejon Ranch, and I thought it was a cougar.

00:44:39.000 It's their tail.

00:44:40.000 Their tail will give it away.

00:44:41.000 Yeah, well, I just saw the cat.

00:44:44.000 I saw this big cat in the road.

00:44:46.000 I was like, whoa, is that a mountain lion?

00:44:47.000 And then we eventually figured out that it was a bobcat.

00:44:50.000 But they get to a good size.

00:44:52.000 So we do have bobcats in Minnesota.

00:44:55.000 So I got a question for you.

00:44:56.000 Can you talk about the Run Rabbit Run race you had that you won?

00:45:01.000 Yeah, we can talk about that.

00:45:03.000 How did it end?

00:45:04.000 I'll let her describe it because it sounds pretty crazy.

00:45:04.000 No.

00:45:06.000 What happened?

00:45:09.000 So the 100-mile race that I was doing a month before Moab, at about, I mean, 12 miles roughly to the finish line, my vision started blurring, like, in the periphery, and over the course of the next couple miles closed in until it was pure white.

00:45:27.000 I couldn't see anything.

00:45:29.000 So I just, like, stumbled my way along roughly 10 miles of trails to get to the finish line.

00:45:37.000 Pretty much, I would say like 98% blind.

00:45:40.000 What?

00:45:41.000 I could see my feet, like right in front of my feet, but it was just white out.

00:45:46.000 So I was running and falling everywhere.

00:45:50.000 It was probably hilarious if people were watching, but I hit my head also on a rock.

00:45:56.000 After you were blind?

00:45:57.000 Yeah, one of the times I fell.

00:45:59.000 So I had blood dripping down my face, like stumbling along, totally couldn't see the trail.

00:46:05.000 And you still won?

00:46:06.000 Yeah, manage to finish and hold the lead. 1.00

00:46:09.000 You're a savage. 0.95

00:46:10.000 You should give seminars on how to be a savage. 1.00

00:46:12.000 That is crazy.

00:46:14.000 So what happened to your vision?

00:46:17.000 So since then there's been tons of people kind of talking about it.

00:46:21.000 Apparently it happens in Ultros quite often.

00:46:24.000 They are thinking it's a corneal edema.

00:46:27.000 So basically like I wear contact lenses to see and the like contact mixed with the air and the dryness and all sorts of things cause like a kind of fluid or I'm not really sure how it works.

00:46:43.000 Have you ever thought about getting Lasix or something?

00:46:45.000 People who have done LASIK also get this corneal edema.

00:46:48.000 So for now, I'm just staying with the contacts because I've been learning how to deal with those a little bit better.

00:46:57.000 Did that concern you at all when you were about to run 238 miles?

00:47:03.000 Yeah, I really didn't want to go blind again.

00:47:06.000 Yeah, Jesus Christ.

00:47:08.000 Especially at that course.

00:47:10.000 Yeah, right off a cliff.

00:47:12.000 I was using eyedrops just to like...

00:47:17.000 Get some like tears going in there and I wore glasses for this whole race in Moab because that's supposed to help as well.

00:47:25.000 Keep grit from hitting your arms?

00:47:27.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:47:27.000 Now when you got back and you won that race and you were basically almost blind, how long did it take for your vision to recover?

00:47:35.000 Five, six hours.

00:47:36.000 Oh, that's it?

00:47:37.000 Yeah.

00:47:38.000 Oh, that must have been a relief.

00:47:39.000 Oh, such a relief, yeah.

00:47:41.000 I was pretty sick of it by the time I finished.

00:47:43.000 But were you concerned that it could be potentially permanent?

00:47:46.000 You know, it didn't feel permanent.

00:47:48.000 I think because it went white and because it moved in slowly, it felt topical.

00:47:54.000 I don't know.

00:47:55.000 I didn't really consider while I was racing if it was permanent.

00:47:58.000 I was just like...

00:48:00.000 Amped on finishing the race at that point.

00:48:03.000 But once I finished, no one seemed overly concerned about it.

00:48:08.000 Like we went to the hospital and they were more concerned with checking out my head.

00:48:12.000 So it didn't feel like that urgent.

00:48:15.000 Whoa.

00:48:16.000 Yeah.

00:48:16.000 But it was weird.

00:48:18.000 Yeah.

00:48:18.000 Did you think about quitting?

00:48:20.000 No.

00:48:21.000 Jesus Christ.

00:48:23.000 Even though you're blind and you got a concussion, you look like Carrie at a prom night. 0.99

00:48:29.000 Like, what the hell?

00:48:31.000 Well, I hit my head and it thunked pretty hard and then there was liquid dripping on my face, but I put my hand up to touch it and I couldn't see my hand in front of my face to see if it was blood or not.

00:48:43.000 Wow!

00:48:44.000 So I had no idea.

00:48:45.000 And what is this course like that you're running on?

00:48:48.000 It's in Steamboat, Colorado, so mountains and pretty rough trails on this section where I fell.

00:48:56.000 Yeah, but the last six miles of the race you finally get to like a fire road, so a little bit wider, a little more room for error if you go crooked.

00:49:08.000 That's just so crazy.

00:49:10.000 So how are you knowing where to step?

00:49:11.000 You're not?

00:49:12.000 You're just guessing?

00:49:14.000 So that's a picture of the course, yeah.

00:49:16.000 So you're running that course blind?

00:49:18.000 Well, that section's quite a bit more technical than the section I went blind on.

00:49:23.000 When you say technical, what exactly do you mean?

00:49:25.000 Like big rocks and cliffs, stuff like that.

00:49:28.000 Why would that be technical?

00:49:31.000 I don't know.

00:49:32.000 That's just the word they associate with like trickier trails.

00:49:36.000 Like you have to be more...

00:49:37.000 use technique?

00:49:39.000 Is that what they're saying?

00:49:40.000 Maybe.

00:49:41.000 I've heard that term before.

00:49:42.000 That's why I always ask.

00:49:43.000 Yeah.

00:49:43.000 Like people talk about like technical terrain, like, you know...

00:49:47.000 I don't know the root word for it.

00:49:51.000 I guess you just can't just flat out just hoof it.

00:49:54.000 You have to think about what you're doing.

00:49:56.000 Yeah, like your foot placement is a little bit trickier.

00:49:59.000 You're kind of looking down a lot while you're running.

00:50:01.000 You can't just run straight.

00:50:02.000 Right.

00:50:03.000 Because most people, if you're running on a flat trail, you're just kind of looking ahead.

00:50:08.000 You're assuming the road is going to be the same with the left foot as it is for the right foot.

00:50:12.000 But this, you can't, right?

00:50:15.000 Yeah.

00:50:16.000 Now, when you're doing something like that, I would think you've got to constantly look down.

00:50:19.000 That is when I would be concerned about mountain lions or something like that.

00:50:22.000 Yeah.

00:50:23.000 Because you're not looking.

00:50:24.000 Yeah.

00:50:25.000 And they probably think you're trying to get away.

00:50:28.000 Right?

00:50:29.000 Yeah, I'm pretty sure if you end up seeing the mountain lion, it's already too late for you.

00:50:34.000 Oh, really?

00:50:35.000 I don't know.

00:50:35.000 Did you hear about that kid in Alaska that got eaten by a bear in a race?

00:50:38.000 Yeah, that's unfortunate.

00:50:40.000 That was horrible.

00:50:40.000 Yeah.

00:50:41.000 Called his mom, too.

00:50:42.000 Called his mom before the bear attacked him and said, I think there's a bear that's following me.

00:50:48.000 Yeah.

00:50:49.000 Yeah, I mean, animals are a real part of it out there.

00:50:53.000 There was also a guy who was jogging along, minding his own business, and a hawk came and tried to swoop him, scoop his head.

00:51:01.000 He had scratches across his whole head from the talons of this hawk.

00:51:06.000 What?

00:51:07.000 Pull up that picture.

00:51:11.000 Yeah.

00:51:11.000 What?

00:51:12.000 Like, the hawk thought he was food, so he was gonna grab him and bring him to the nest.

00:51:16.000 What a gangster hawk.

00:51:18.000 Yeah.

00:51:18.000 How little is this guy?

00:51:20.000 I don't think that little.

00:51:21.000 I think, like, an adult, I'm pretty sure.

00:51:25.000 If a hawk landed on my head, I guarantee you I'm going to have a stuffed hawk in here.

00:51:29.000 Right here. 1.00

00:51:30.000 I'm going to have that fucker. 1.00

00:51:31.000 And I'm going to have like a plastic hand around his scrawny neck. 1.00

00:51:37.000 Fucking assholes. 1.00

00:51:38.000 I have hawks in my yard all the time. 1.00

00:51:40.000 They're trying to get my chickens.

00:51:41.000 I think they did get one.

00:51:43.000 I think they got one.

00:51:44.000 One of them went missing.

00:51:45.000 We're trying to figure out what happened.

00:51:46.000 Look at that.

00:51:47.000 Wow, that is crazy!

00:51:49.000 That's from the Thumb Talon, whatever.

00:51:53.000 Escaped Harris Hawks are attacking runners and walkers, prompting fears they are now breeding in Britain.

00:51:59.000 Oh.

00:52:00.000 This is in England.

00:52:02.000 Wow.

00:52:03.000 That is a huge gash.

00:52:05.000 For people who are just listening, we're talking like 11, 12-inch gashes on this guy's head.

00:52:10.000 The whole head.

00:52:11.000 The whole top of his head is like a track. 0.53

00:52:14.000 Like train tracks.

00:52:16.000 Like two straight lines.

00:52:17.000 Kind of a cool scar it's going to make though.

00:52:19.000 Beautiful scar, right?

00:52:20.000 What happened to you? 1.00

00:52:22.000 Gangster shit. 1.00

00:52:24.000 I wonder if he's like, oh my, this hawk is trying to take me away. 1.00

00:52:30.000 Oh dear.

00:52:30.000 Hey, someone help me.

00:52:33.000 That's not the hawk.

00:52:35.000 That one looks too small.

00:52:36.000 A Harris hawk.

00:52:36.000 So this is an escaped hawk, they're saying.

00:52:39.000 So is this a hawk that essentially was a captive hawk, and now they got loose and they don't know how to eat?

00:52:47.000 They don't know what to do?

00:52:49.000 Jeez.

00:52:49.000 And maybe...

00:52:50.000 That's crazy.

00:52:52.000 Maybe it thought this guy was...

00:52:56.000 Give it a shot.

00:52:57.000 I recall hearing what I now know was the bird's wings flapping behind my head.

00:53:01.000 And then suddenly, just talons.

00:53:03.000 But other than that, there was no warning.

00:53:05.000 Geez.

00:53:06.000 He thought it was a mugging.

00:53:07.000 He thought he got mugged.

00:53:08.000 Wow. 0.91

00:53:10.000 What a crazy bird. 0.98

00:53:11.000 The bird thinking he could kill a person. 0.96

00:53:14.000 Yeah. 0.95

00:53:15.000 That is a gangster bird, man.

00:53:20.000 Escaped bird, attacking humans.

00:53:23.000 Yeah, go back to that again real quick.

00:53:24.000 What did he say?

00:53:25.000 Whilst the attacker was originally thought to be a buzzard, no one had become aggressive during the nesting season.

00:53:30.000 Experts pointed out the native birds of prey seldom strike in the summer months.

00:53:35.000 Wow.

00:53:37.000 Harris Hawk.

00:53:39.000 Yeah, those things, the claws and those.

00:53:41.000 We were just talking about eagles the other day.

00:53:43.000 Like, imagine something they can swoop down and grab a salmon out of a river and fly off with it.

00:53:48.000 Yeah. 0.81

00:53:49.000 These ridiculous things they have at the bottom of their feet.

00:53:52.000 Can't they even pick up, like, small deer and stuff? 0.86

00:53:54.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:53:55.000 Yeah, they can.

00:53:56.000 Yeah, the Mongols use them to attack wolves.

00:54:01.000 They have trained eagles that they swoop down and they grab wolves and they kill the wolves.

00:54:07.000 They drop them from a pie, or what do they do?

00:54:09.000 No, they just kill them. 1.00

00:54:10.000 They kill them with their talons. 1.00

00:54:11.000 Their talons are so strong. 1.00

00:54:12.000 It's like knives.

00:54:13.000 They just grab ahold of their neck and stick the talons into the side of the neck. 0.97

00:54:17.000 It's crazy to watch.

00:54:18.000 I mean, these aren't big wolves.

00:54:20.000 These are like coyote-sized wolves.

00:54:21.000 Yeah.

00:54:22.000 But it's still, it's like, it's so weird to watch.

00:54:25.000 It's like this thing just trying to run away, and this eagle just knows what to do, swoops down, just grabs him by the neck and wrestles him to the ground.

00:54:32.000 That's insane.

00:54:33.000 And then the Mongolian guys come over.

00:54:35.000 Here, you can watch it here.

00:54:36.000 See, they're trained.

00:54:37.000 See, they have those little strings coming off the back of their legs. 1.00

00:54:39.000 Oh, jeez. 1.00

00:54:40.000 And those wolves are like, fuck! 1.00

00:54:44.000 And so this dude just releases the eagle. 1.00

00:54:46.000 The eagle swoops down and just death from the sky just jacks him.

00:54:51.000 It's crazy to think that this was somehow or another they trained these things to do this too.

00:54:57.000 And then they would, you know, kill the wolves and take their skins.

00:55:01.000 I guess they like make jackets or something.

00:55:03.000 The wolf knows what's going on too.

00:55:05.000 And look, he's so much bigger than the eagle.

00:55:06.000 That's what's really crazy.

00:55:07.000 Because what does an eagle weigh?

00:55:09.000 Like 20 pounds or something like that?

00:55:10.000 Well, that wolf should have ran a little faster there at the end.

00:55:12.000 Yeah.

00:55:12.000 He's tired.

00:55:14.000 I mean, it's crazy.

00:55:15.000 Oh, that's awful.

00:55:16.000 Look how badass they are, though.

00:55:18.000 Those are huge birds.

00:55:19.000 Huge.

00:55:20.000 But even a huge bird is a fraction of the size of that wolf.

00:55:24.000 Yeah.

00:55:25.000 And then just holding them down.

00:55:26.000 Maybe that wingspan freaks it out.

00:55:28.000 I just don't think...

00:55:28.000 Yeah.

00:55:29.000 I think it's just a superior murdering machine.

00:55:32.000 You know what I mean?

00:55:32.000 I think when it comes to nature's killers, eagles are just far superior to a wolf.

00:55:38.000 I mean, they have air on their side.

00:55:40.000 They swoop down on you.

00:55:42.000 Which is cool.

00:55:42.000 Right.

00:55:43.000 Yeah, they move through 3D space.

00:55:44.000 You know, it's just a whole different thing.

00:55:46.000 So do they ever get your chickens?

00:55:46.000 Yeah.

00:55:49.000 I know that a hawk has.

00:55:50.000 Yeah.

00:55:51.000 Well, I saw a coyote get one.

00:55:53.000 I saw a coyote run over the fence with a chicken in his mouth. 1.00

00:55:56.000 I was sitting with my wife and my kids and we were playing some game, like Monopoly or some shit, and we look out the window and I see a coyote running through the backyard with a chicken in his mouth and he just hops the fence and I open the door just to go, you fucker! 1.00

00:56:08.000 Like that he was gone. 1.00

00:56:10.000 You got him.

00:56:11.000 Yeah.

00:56:14.000 It was a very complicated scenario because he actually had talked my dog into helping him.

00:56:20.000 Yeah, I think it was a girl.

00:56:20.000 No way.

00:56:21.000 I'm pretty sure it was a girl coyote. 1.00

00:56:25.000 Yeah, my dog thought it was...

00:56:25.000 Trickery.

00:56:27.000 I have a big dumb dog. 1.00

00:56:28.000 And he thought, this is my friend. 1.00

00:56:31.000 He wants to play with the chickens.

00:56:31.000 Yeah.

00:56:32.000 I'll help him.

00:56:33.000 Because the dog can...

00:56:35.000 My dog is a...

00:56:36.000 He's a nice dog to people, but he's not nice to chickens.

00:56:40.000 He's murdered a few chickens in the past.

00:56:42.000 He's got...

00:56:43.000 I think so far he's killed six of my chickens.

00:56:46.000 Oh, wow.

00:56:46.000 Yeah.

00:56:47.000 He broke into the fence recently.

00:56:49.000 I don't think I talked about this.

00:56:51.000 We were outside, and we had heard something.

00:56:51.000 Sigh.

00:56:57.000 We heard these chickens squawking and making up all this noise.

00:57:00.000 And I look, and I'm like, how is the dog in the chicken coop?

00:57:03.000 He clawed through the chicken wire.

00:57:06.000 He's a mastiff.

00:57:07.000 He's a big mastiff.

00:57:08.000 Oh, wow.

00:57:08.000 Those are huge dogs.

00:57:10.000 And he just smashed the chicken wire enough so he could get his body in there and just went on a rampage.

00:57:16.000 And just was murdering chickens.

00:57:18.000 Yeah.

00:57:18.000 Oops.

00:57:19.000 It's just their instinct, you know?

00:57:20.000 Yeah.

00:57:21.000 They just can't help it.

00:57:22.000 And, like, a friend of mine said that he had a dog that did that once, that killed his chicken, and he took the dead chicken and tied it on the dog's head and then chained the dog to a tree and left him there for a couple hours.

00:57:36.000 And he said it worked. 0.94

00:57:38.000 He said the dog never fucked with the chickens again. 0.99

00:57:45.000 So are you going to try that? 0.99

00:57:47.000 No.

00:57:48.000 I think my golden retriever, he's a sweetheart, and I think he's killed a chicken too.

00:57:53.000 I don't know if he killed it, but he showed up with one in his mouth and it was dead.

00:57:58.000 And we're trying to figure out if he killed it or if it was already dead, because sometimes they just die.

00:58:02.000 Because we don't like to think he's a killer because he's still a baby, but he might have died too.

00:58:07.000 Dogs and chickens, it's a classic relationship.

00:58:13.000 I don't know how we got on this.

00:58:15.000 Oh, runners, animals.

00:58:16.000 Yeah, sorry about that.

00:58:17.000 So do you ever bring any sort of first aid with you?

00:58:21.000 Do you bring a backpack when you're running?

00:58:24.000 It depends on where I'm going or how long I intend to be out there.

00:58:29.000 So when you're running Moab, do you bring any sort of backpack or anything?

00:58:33.000 Yeah, I had a pack that was carrying water and an emergency blanket and jacket just in case and food.

00:58:41.000 So when you have an emergency blanket, is that one of those thin, sort of silvery blankets?

00:58:46.000 Yeah, just folds down into a very small square.

00:58:49.000 Do those really work?

00:58:51.000 Yeah, I mean, fortunately, I've never had to use one in an actual emergency, but you know how after marathons they give everyone like a tinfoil wrap, basically?

00:59:01.000 I think it's the same thing where it's like holding in your body heat.

00:59:05.000 So if worse comes to worse out there, you've got something to help you get through.

00:59:10.000 Better than nothing.

00:59:11.000 Right, right.

00:59:12.000 Now, when you're running and you're drinking water, do you have bottles of water or do you have like a hydration bladder and a tube?

00:59:19.000 How do you run it?

00:59:20.000 The pack I was using has bottles so it can carry, I mean at one point I had two and a half liters of water with me for like a really hot long section.

00:59:30.000 And how long did that last you for?

00:59:32.000 I made it last for 20 miles.

00:59:35.000 That's crazy.

00:59:36.000 That's it?

00:59:38.000 Two and a half liters seems like a tiny amount of water to drink for 20 miles of running.

00:59:43.000 God, that's crazy.

00:59:44.000 And it was a really hot exposed day out there in the desert.

00:59:48.000 Have you ever been running like Cam was telling me that he did the Bigfoot 200 and there was a stretch where he miscalculated and he realized the terrain and he didn't have any water.

00:59:58.000 And he had to go for several hours with no water.

00:59:58.000 Yeah.

01:00:01.000 Have you ever done that before?

01:00:02.000 That's awful.

01:00:04.000 I don't know if I've ever had to go several hours but yeah I've gotten to the point where it's like Miles and miles away still and you're fresh out of water. 0.66

01:00:15.000 That's gotta suck.

01:00:16.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:00:17.000 How much of a performance hit does that take?

01:00:20.000 I think it depends.

01:00:22.000 Also, it can take a big toll out of you mentally if you stress out about it too much.

01:00:27.000 But if you're just like, well, this is the situation, the only solution is to get to the next aid station, then I think it is just a blip on the radar.

01:00:37.000 That's an interesting approach. 1.00

01:00:39.000 And that's what I wanted to get to this about how it transcends how your this your mental fortitude sort of like How it manifests itself in everyday life Like your ability to just deal with shit is so superior to the average person Like when you hear people complain like Starbucks is out of fucking venti lattes is such bullshit, 0.97

01:01:02.000 you know like no more caramel macchiatos like Normal everyday complaining stuff is like what A lot of people sort of engage in sort of a recreation that people have to complain about nonsense, right? 0.98

01:01:15.000 Yeah.

01:01:16.000 Well, how do you deal with that?

01:01:20.000 To each their own, I think.

01:01:22.000 You just let it happen?

01:01:23.000 If that venti latte was going to make your day, I'm really sorry that they're out, you know?

01:01:28.000 But there's got to be a part of you that realizes how, I mean, so many people are just really very weak in terms of their ability to overcome adversity, you know?

01:01:40.000 I think they just aren't giving themselves enough credit.

01:01:43.000 And I think we're all capable of way more than we think we are if we just jump in and go for it, whatever it is.

01:01:52.000 Right.

01:01:53.000 And do you think you realize that more the more you push yourself?

01:01:57.000 Do you understand yourself more after running 238 miles?

01:02:01.000 I'm trying to, yeah.

01:02:02.000 I'm trying to find my physical boundary.

01:02:04.000 I'm trying to find the mental boundary, like where can I take this?

01:02:09.000 And trying to learn about myself and about the world and meet people along the way.

01:02:14.000 But I think that that must give you immense confidence to overcome obstacles, boundaries.

01:02:21.000 The fact that you can do what you can do.

01:02:23.000 That you can just put your mind into this state of just dealing with the constant grind.

01:02:30.000 You're falling asleep.

01:02:31.000 You're half blind.

01:02:33.000 More than half blind.

01:02:34.000 98% blind.

01:02:36.000 That has got to transcend.

01:02:39.000 It really must make its way into your everyday life in a very weird way.

01:02:45.000 I hope so.

01:02:46.000 What do you do for regular stuff?

01:02:48.000 Like, do you have a regular job?

01:02:49.000 I taught middle school and high school science for nine years, and just this past year I stepped out of the classroom.

01:02:57.000 So now you just run?

01:02:58.000 So currently I'm running, yeah.

01:03:00.000 Wow.

01:03:01.000 Do you have sponsors or something like that?

01:03:01.000 So how does that work?

01:03:03.000 Yep, I have some sponsors and a really supportive husband and my school has been super supportive through all of this and they were like, go see what you can do without the 7am to 7pm shift, you know?

01:03:19.000 See what you can make of this and let us know if you want back in teaching ever.

01:03:24.000 Did they freak out when you won the Moab?

01:03:28.000 Well, one of the guys I teach with was actually one of my pacers out there, so he has been really supportive and awesome to train with, and I haven't actually talked to anyone else at the school since then.

01:03:41.000 But they've got to be incredibly proud.

01:03:43.000 I mean, to say, hey, go see what you can do.

01:03:47.000 Yeah.

01:03:47.000 And you're like, hey, look what I can do.

01:03:50.000 Yeah.

01:03:50.000 Here it is.

01:03:52.000 Pretty crazy.

01:03:53.000 And so is this your goal now is to just run?

01:03:58.000 Yeah, for the time being, I want to just see what can happen if I really dedicate more time and energy to training and traveling for races and all of the pieces that go with that.

01:04:11.000 And what is the woman's name that put on the MOAB? Candice Burt. 0.97

01:04:14.000 And does Candice like look at, I know, is she involved in Bigfoot as well?

01:04:14.000 Candice.

01:04:18.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:04:19.000 All those 200 mile races are hers. 0.82

01:04:21.000 But does she look at the 240 now and look at you and go, hmm.

01:04:25.000 Courtney might be able to do 320. She just the other day suggested on the Moab 200 Facebook group, and she put it out there, what about a 500 mile race?

01:04:38.000 Jesus Christ!

01:04:40.000 Courtney! 0.97

01:04:41.000 No, that's Candice! 1.00

01:04:43.000 She suggested!

01:04:44.000 I know, but Courtney, don't do that. 0.74

01:04:47.000 I mean, why not, man? 1.00

01:04:49.000 Candice, you're a psycho. 1.00

01:04:50.000 Candice is a crazy person. 1.00

01:04:51.000 Does she run these races too? 1.00

01:04:53.000 Well, unfortunately when you're race directing, she can't run the 200 miles, but she... 1.00

01:04:57.000 Oh, unfortunately.

01:04:58.000 I wish I could.

01:04:59.000 Wish I could run with you, Courtney.

01:05:00.000 She does a lot of 100 mile races and, yeah, is a great runner. 1.00

01:05:05.000 But 500, that is next level.

01:05:09.000 What is the longest anybody has ever run?

01:05:11.000 Like, what's the longest race ever? 0.96

01:05:12.000 Is it the Moab?

01:05:16.000 No.

01:05:17.000 Let's see.

01:05:18.000 So there's races that are called six-day races, and it's just on a small loop, and you try and go as far as you can, do that loop as many times as you can in six days.

01:05:29.000 And I'm not actually sure what the record for that is, but I'm certain that it's higher than 238. Okay.

01:05:36.000 So when she's talking about a 500, what?

01:05:39.000 3,100 mile race.

01:05:41.000 Oh, there you go.

01:05:42.000 Pretty sure it's a relay race, but that's what it says.

01:05:44.000 Shri Chimoy Marathon Team.

01:05:47.000 Look up on six-day world record.

01:05:50.000 Welcome to the 21st annual Self-Transcendence 3,100-mile race.

01:05:56.000 You know why they say it, the Self-Transcendence?

01:05:58.000 Because after 2,000 miles, you run with Jesus.

01:06:01.000 He's literally with you.

01:06:04.000 You're running on air.

01:06:04.000 You transcend.

01:06:07.000 That's crazy.

01:06:10.000 52 days.

01:06:11.000 52 days?

01:06:13.000 They must log an average of 59.6 miles a day. 1.00

01:06:17.000 That's fucking baby talk. 0.99

01:06:18.000 Wait, I think this is the one in New York. 1.00

01:06:20.000 It's just around like a city block in New York or something.

01:06:23.000 The runners begin at 6 a.m.

01:06:25.000 and run for extended periods throughout the day, taking breaks as needed.

01:06:28.000 If they want to, they can continue as late as 12 midnight when the course closes for the night.

01:06:33.000 Wow.

01:06:36.000 That's pretty cool.

01:06:38.000 Boy.

01:06:39.000 Now, the community has got to be a very strange community of iron-willed human beings.

01:06:45.000 Oh, it's such a special community.

01:06:47.000 I'd imagine.

01:06:48.000 Yeah.

01:06:49.000 Like, there's the character of those people.

01:06:51.000 Well, and everyone's got a story, and they're all out there battling their own battle, you know?

01:06:55.000 Yeah.

01:06:56.000 And it's cool to be at the finish line then and celebrate together and swap war stories, you know?

01:07:02.000 I mean, I just like to find other human beings that are capable of putting their mind and their body into that position.

01:07:10.000 Yeah, and want to do that.

01:07:13.000 Actively choose to do that.

01:07:14.000 And look forward to it, and look forward to the next one.

01:07:17.000 Pay money to do it.

01:07:19.000 How much does it cost?

01:07:21.000 For this one, maybe seven, eight hundred.

01:07:26.000 Did you win anything?

01:07:27.000 Nope.

01:07:28.000 Jesus Christ!

01:07:29.000 We gotta get you a prize!

01:07:30.000 She should have a prize! 0.54

01:07:32.000 You should win something!

01:07:33.000 This is crazy! 1.00

01:07:35.000 Think about how much they win when they fucking play golf. 1.00

01:07:38.000 Oh, you knocked a ball in the hole. 1.00

01:07:40.000 Way to go, fatso.

01:07:45.000 That doesn't impress me at all.

01:07:48.000 What you do, I just feel like it's massively underrated in terms of society's appreciation of it.

01:07:55.000 Yeah, well, a lot of people don't even know these are happening.

01:08:00.000 Like, ultramarathons are a very alien thing to a lot of people.

01:08:04.000 I wasn't aware of them.

01:08:05.000 Until I became friends with Cam.

01:08:05.000 Yeah.

01:08:07.000 I didn't know anybody who was that crazy.

01:08:09.000 So, what mileage are you running now?

01:08:11.000 I only run a couple.

01:08:12.000 I run like three.

01:08:12.000 Yeah.

01:08:13.000 The most I run is like four.

01:08:16.000 I mean, they have even half marathons on trails.

01:08:18.000 That would be cool for you to just check out.

01:08:20.000 Trail running is so awesome.

01:08:22.000 Well, mostly what I'm doing is, like, super steep hills.

01:08:22.000 It is.

01:08:25.000 Okay.

01:08:25.000 That's what I like to do.

01:08:26.000 I do a lot of hill sprints.

01:08:27.000 Yeah.

01:08:28.000 But it's made a big difference in, like, martial arts training.

01:08:31.000 I've only been doing it for, like, six, eight months, maybe.

01:08:31.000 Oh, I bet.

01:08:34.000 No.

01:08:35.000 January, I think, I started running.

01:08:36.000 So it's more than that.

01:08:37.000 Yeah.

01:08:38.000 Incorporated with all sorts of other training.

01:08:40.000 It just makes a huge difference in my wind.

01:08:42.000 I used to feel like...

01:08:45.000 I guess it was just laziness or I just didn't want to try it.

01:08:48.000 But a lot of people's thought process is, well, if you do cardio specific to your athletic event, like if you do jiu-jitsu, just do jiu-jitsu.

01:08:57.000 Just do a lot of rolling, do a lot of sparring, and your cardio will go up.

01:09:00.000 If you do kickboxing, just do a lot of kickboxing, hit the bag a lot, and your cardio will go up.

01:09:04.000 It will, but I maintain that just sheer cardio from running is a different thing, and that your capacity for cardio is expanded, especially when you do hill running or sprints.

01:09:18.000 Yeah, you'd think so.

01:09:20.000 Yeah, I would think so.

01:09:21.000 Now, do you do anything else other than running?

01:09:24.000 Are you involved in any other athletics?

01:09:26.000 Right now, no.

01:09:27.000 I played on some adult co-ed volleyball and soccer teams recently, but otherwise, just running right now.

01:09:36.000 Do you have a long-term goal, or is there anything that you'd like to accomplish?

01:09:41.000 I don't know.

01:09:42.000 I just want to keep pushing the limits and finding out what's possible.

01:09:46.000 Going a little bit faster or a little bit further and getting to see parts of the world is what I'm hoping for in this next year.

01:09:54.000 How many other women win these things? 1.00

01:09:57.000 There's been, in the past couple years, it's becoming a little more frequent to have a female overall winner.

01:10:03.000 Yeah, because for a long time that wasn't the case, right?

01:10:06.000 Right.

01:10:06.000 Why do you think that is?

01:10:08.000 I'm not sure.

01:10:09.000 I don't know if the confidence or the time women are putting in or just figuring out nutrition stuff. 1.00

01:10:18.000 I don't know.

01:10:18.000 I don't know what's been the thing that switched it over, but it's not as absurd as it used to be for sure.

01:10:25.000 Well, what you do is absurd.

01:10:27.000 I mean, that's absurd.

01:10:29.000 To not just win, but to win by such an enormous margin.

01:10:32.000 You know, like, what an inspiration you must be to other young runners that are coming up right now and just know that that's possible, that someone can do that.

01:10:40.000 Yeah, I mean, I hope, yeah, to inspire future generations, my niece, like, I mean, that'd be cool.

01:10:48.000 I don't know if it's happening, but...

01:10:50.000 Oh, it is 100% happening.

01:10:51.000 I'll keep trying.

01:10:52.000 I have no desire to do it, and you've inspired me.

01:10:55.000 Oh, thank you.

01:10:56.000 You know the story of the Four Minute Mile, right?

01:10:59.000 Yeah.

01:11:00.000 That before...

01:11:00.000 Who was the guy that...

01:11:01.000 Prefontaine.

01:11:01.000 Jesse...

01:11:02.000 No, not that guy.

01:11:03.000 It was before that.

01:11:03.000 Who was it that broke the Four Minute Mile?

01:11:05.000 Was it, like, Alan...

01:11:07.000 I forget his name.

01:11:08.000 I was going to say Jesse Owen, but it's not him.

01:11:10.000 But whoever the gentleman was that broke the four-minute mile, they used to literally think it was physically impossible.

01:11:15.000 Roger Bannister, thank you.

01:11:15.000 Roger Bannister.

01:11:17.000 But once he broke it, then a bunch of people broke it afterwards.

01:11:19.000 They realized it could be possible.

01:11:22.000 Which is one of the reasons why when someone says, oh, if you run a marathon, you have to take six months off. 1.00

01:11:28.000 Shut the fuck up. 1.00

01:11:29.000 Nobody knows what people can do yet. 0.99

01:11:31.000 It's really true that there are boundaries to human performance that have not been explored yet.

01:11:37.000 I agree.

01:11:37.000 Absolutely.

01:11:38.000 So people like you, you're like at the tip of the spear of this shit. 1.00

01:11:42.000 You realize that? 1.00

01:11:43.000 No!

01:11:44.000 You are.

01:11:45.000 You are.

01:11:46.000 I'm telling you, you are.

01:11:47.000 Like in human history, I don't think there's a whole lot of people that can ever say that they've run 238 miles.

01:11:55.000 I bet there's maybe one or two other people that have ever walked the face of the earth that have done what you did.

01:12:02.000 They might not have ever.

01:12:04.000 I mean, maybe there's like some crazy aborigine or some indigenous people that we don't know about. 0.91

01:12:09.000 Someone who lives in Mexico in the mountains or something like that has done something crazy like this.

01:12:12.000 But for the most part, I mean, how many people have ever done what you did?

01:12:16.000 I think there were 95 finishers at the Lab 240. But how many people have done it in less than 58 hours?

01:12:24.000 This year just one, but I think it'll keep falling.

01:12:27.000 That's my thought process.

01:12:29.000 And do you think that there's anything left?

01:12:34.000 Do you think you left anything on the table as far as like when you crossed the line, was there a thought like, I could have done that maybe like five minutes faster?

01:12:44.000 I mean, sure, yeah.

01:12:45.000 You can cut out time at aid stations.

01:12:47.000 You can do sections more efficiently.

01:12:50.000 So my hope is there's always room for improvement.

01:12:53.000 And if I went back next year, I would absolutely be trying to push the pace and drop my time.

01:13:00.000 What would you try to get at under 50?

01:13:02.000 I don't know.

01:13:02.000 I think I'd just have to see how the day was unfolding and what sort of obstacles were coming up.

01:13:08.000 If you did it under 50, I guarantee you some people would just throw themselves off the side of the cliff. 1.00

01:13:14.000 They'd be like, fuck this. 1.00

01:13:16.000 Fuck this. 1.00

01:13:18.000 It'd be like me playing basketball against Jordan. 1.00

01:13:20.000 Like, I can't do this anymore.

01:13:23.000 You know, I mean...

01:13:24.000 I don't know.

01:13:25.000 Seven...

01:13:26.000 That'd be almost eight hours cut off.

01:13:28.000 And I don't think I can...

01:13:29.000 That'd be a lot.

01:13:30.000 Yeah.

01:13:31.000 But why not aim high?

01:13:33.000 Talk to the person who came in second. 1.00

01:13:34.000 If you didn't exist, that person who came in second would be a bad motherfucker. 1.00

01:13:38.000 They'd be like, look, I just beat everybody's ass in this crazy race. 1.00

01:13:42.000 He still is. 0.99

01:13:44.000 But meanwhile, eh, he's not so much.

01:13:46.000 He's a little bummed out right now. 0.98

01:13:48.000 He's sitting at home going, fucking 10 hours. 0.96

01:13:50.000 I bet that guy gets a good night's sleep and brushes his teeth and forgets about it for a little while, gets in his car, and then he's in traffic and the light turns red. 1.00

01:13:59.000 He goes, fucking 10 hours! 0.99

01:14:01.000 How'd she beat me by 10 hours?! 1.00

01:14:06.000 I guarantee you.

01:14:08.000 I hope you're not thinking that, Sean.

01:14:10.000 I know you're thinking it, Sean.

01:14:10.000 Sean.

01:14:12.000 I would be thinking it too.

01:14:13.000 Good news, Sean.

01:14:13.000 You beat me by 10 days.

01:14:16.000 Think of it in terms of...

01:14:18.000 Well, you're the high watermark now, I guess.

01:14:22.000 I can't imagine there's any other way to put it. 0.89

01:14:26.000 You won the first one, but you won it by such a ridiculous margin.

01:14:31.000 Yeah, we'll see next year what people are capable of. 0.77

01:14:35.000 Now, Candace, in her crazy idea for 500 miles, are you going to indulge her in this ridiculous quest?

01:14:40.000 Yeah, I mean, yeah, she threw it out there. 0.98

01:14:42.000 She had, like, immediately positive response from everyone in this group.

01:14:48.000 Of course. 1.00

01:14:49.000 Bunch of fucking psychos. 1.00

01:14:50.000 I know, yeah. 1.00

01:14:51.000 And she was saying maybe 2019 she'd be able to pull it together.

01:14:55.000 Oh, why does she need that much time? 1.00

01:14:57.000 I mean, the logistics involved, and then there's like permitting you have to do.

01:15:02.000 And where would she have one of these things?

01:15:04.000 Yeah, she didn't say.

01:15:06.000 How about the surface of the sun?

01:15:07.000 Yeah, or the moon.

01:15:08.000 Like, let's all go to the moon.

01:15:10.000 No, it's too easy.

01:15:10.000 It's cold.

01:15:16.000 Yeah, not enough gravity.

01:15:17.000 You'd be, like, cheating.

01:15:18.000 It's only, like, one-sixth.

01:15:20.000 One-sixth Earth's gravity.

01:15:22.000 Yeah, I mean, I just...

01:15:23.000 I wonder, like, what is the limit?

01:15:26.000 Like, what is the limit of a human?

01:15:28.000 Yeah.

01:15:29.000 In terms of, like...

01:15:30.000 I mean, you said that when it was over, you were wrecked for days.

01:15:34.000 You couldn't sleep.

01:15:35.000 You really weren't eating well.

01:15:38.000 But when you cross that finish line, and if someone said...

01:15:42.000 Okay, the real finish line is another 80 miles.

01:15:46.000 You just would have kept going.

01:15:49.000 Yeah, if that was real and I had 80 more miles to cover, I would figure out how to do it.

01:15:55.000 What if it was 180?

01:15:56.000 How many more miles did you think you have left in your body?

01:15:59.000 I mean, is there a point where your tissue would just give out?

01:16:04.000 Maybe, yeah.

01:16:07.000 But, like, for this 500-mile race she's suggesting, she's thinking a 10-day cutoff or whatever.

01:16:13.000 Oh, God.

01:16:14.000 You know, so then you just got to build in some good sleep.

01:16:17.000 Yeah.

01:16:18.000 Sorry, Candice, if we weren't supposed to talk about this yet, I don't know.

01:16:21.000 We're talking about it, Candice.

01:16:23.000 We're talking about it.

01:16:24.000 That's, like...

01:16:27.000 Ten days is not, well, I guess, but no one's going to do that, right?

01:16:31.000 You're just going to keep running.

01:16:32.000 No one's going to just go 50 miles a day.

01:16:34.000 You could.

01:16:35.000 You could build that into your plan.

01:16:37.000 Yeah, but no one's going to do that.

01:16:39.000 I mean for this one people had sleep plans.

01:16:42.000 There's aid stations out there that have like cots and blankets and you can stay they say for six hours they'll let you sleep there before they boot you to the course.

01:16:51.000 Six hours?

01:16:52.000 Six hours.

01:16:52.000 They go get up lazy.

01:16:53.000 Yeah.

01:16:54.000 I don't know if they just want to keep turning them over in case there's a need for more.

01:16:58.000 Oh that makes sense.

01:16:59.000 So they wake you up at six hours?

01:17:00.000 Apparently.

01:17:01.000 I don't have any personal experience doing it.

01:17:05.000 What if you get off the cot and just lay right on the ground right next to the cot?

01:17:08.000 Now what?

01:17:08.000 Yeah.

01:17:09.000 Look, I'm not getting up.

01:17:10.000 I'm just going to lay right here.

01:17:12.000 It's over.

01:17:13.000 Yeah, so I guess for this one, they'd have to have sleep stations out there.

01:17:18.000 I think what I'm getting at is the fascinating part of this to me is that the boundaries are at least somewhat unexplored.

01:17:28.000 Because what you did was, in a way, very...

01:17:33.000 Revolutionary.

01:17:33.000 What you did was you just flipped the whole thing on its head by coming in 10 hours and 20-plus miles ahead of the second-place person.

01:17:45.000 Now people are going to go, okay, well, what's possible?

01:17:48.000 Because maybe there's someone out there that could do that to Courtney. 0.76

01:17:51.000 Yeah, absolutely there is.

01:17:53.000 Like who?

01:17:54.000 Well, I haven't met them recently.

01:17:57.000 Do they exist?

01:17:57.000 I don't know.

01:17:58.000 That's the question.

01:17:59.000 That's the cool part, is if people just keep wondering that, then we'll be breaking down all sorts of barriers.

01:18:06.000 That's what's fascinating about it to me, as a completely outside observer, is that what you're doing is, you're essentially in unexplored territory.

01:18:17.000 And even the training protocols, right?

01:18:20.000 Like, your protocol's different than Cam's, and I'm sure that Sean Guy's got a different thing that he did, and everybody's got their own little methods.

01:18:27.000 And wasn't there a guy that was leading for a while, but he had a bail at like 150 miles, he couldn't take it anymore?

01:18:33.000 Yep, so I was going back and forth for a while with a guy until maybe, yeah, I think it was 150 miles.

01:18:39.000 What happened to him?

01:18:40.000 I'm not sure.

01:18:41.000 I think his legs or his quads or something was given out.

01:18:45.000 I'm not positive.

01:18:46.000 I didn't get to have a conversation with him.

01:18:48.000 And does that happen often where someone just comes out of the gate too hard or maybe like he's trying to keep up with you and he outpaced himself?

01:18:56.000 Yeah, unfortunately they're called DNFs or did not finish, and those happen pretty frequently.

01:19:04.000 What's the percentage, if you had to guess?

01:19:05.000 It was a hundred plus people entered, right?

01:19:08.000 Yeah, I think the Moab race had way less than a normal 100 mile race, for example.

01:19:16.000 Way less DNFs?

01:19:17.000 Way less people dropped out, yeah.

01:19:18.000 Wow, interesting.

01:19:20.000 I don't know if it's like the mindset going in, you just know it's this big adventure and you're going to be out there for multiple days, so you're ready for that, versus a 100 mile race.

01:19:29.000 I mean, people are breaking down barriers with how fast those can be done.

01:19:33.000 Yeah.

01:19:34.000 And so then you're you're going out guns blazing from the start and and then you've got a higher potential for a blow-up that just can't be fixed.

01:19:43.000 So is that what happens like your your muscles just break down you get what is it called autolysis or something like that your muscles start eating themselves?

01:19:51.000 Yeah, and just like no response you're getting nothing back from them.

01:19:55.000 Yeah, and what is that thing that those CrossFit people get?

01:19:59.000 Rhabdomyelosis?

01:20:00.000 Oh, yeah.

01:20:01.000 Yeah.

01:20:01.000 Do you ever get that?

01:20:02.000 I've never gotten it.

01:20:03.000 Rhabdo?

01:20:04.000 Rhabdo.

01:20:05.000 Rhabdomyelosis?

01:20:06.000 Something about like your muscles are breaking down into your bloodstream or...

01:20:06.000 Yeah.

01:20:10.000 Yeah.

01:20:11.000 Yeah, that's not good.

01:20:12.000 It's supposed to be horrible.

01:20:13.000 Yeah.

01:20:14.000 And apparently way more common today than muscle breakdown damages the kidneys.

01:20:20.000 Apparently it's way more common today because of these CrossFit classes and people pushing themselves.

01:20:28.000 That's the thing.

01:20:29.000 It's not a matter of what's possible.

01:20:32.000 Like, hey, Courtney ran 248 miles.

01:20:34.000 I can run it, too.

01:20:36.000 Well, yeah, maybe. 1.00

01:20:37.000 But you're going to have to build up to that, stupid. 1.00

01:20:40.000 You can't just do it tomorrow. 1.00

01:20:42.000 That's kind of the crazy thing about all this, right?

01:20:46.000 You're building a mountain one Lego block at a time.

01:20:51.000 And someone who's like, oh, well, her mountain's 5,000 feet high. 0.99

01:20:56.000 I'll just fucking build a... 0.99

01:20:57.000 No. 0.99

01:20:58.000 It takes a long-ass time to build that mountain, right?

01:21:01.000 Yeah.

01:21:02.000 I mean, for me, I've been training for this long stuff for seven years now, so I wasn't, like, instantly successful at the 100-mile distance, and it's taken a lot of training and a lot of just learning along the way.

01:21:18.000 Now, because of the fact that you ran this 238 mile race at a certain pace and you did so phenomenally, do you feel like your body is now going to be stronger for the next one?

01:21:29.000 I hope so.

01:21:30.000 I hope if I treat it nicely for a little bit here and let it fully recover, that then I can try and springboard off of this for the next thing.

01:21:38.000 Plenty of nachos, plenty of beer.

01:21:40.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:21:41.000 Just load it in.

01:21:42.000 Now, do you do any other kind of training?

01:21:44.000 Do you do any weightlifting or yoga or anything else?

01:21:48.000 Do you incorporate anything else?

01:21:49.000 Yeah, I go to the gym.

01:21:52.000 Mostly at the gym I do core work and throw around a couple five-pound dumbbells.

01:22:00.000 But otherwise, no, I think yoga would be a great thing to incorporate.

01:22:04.000 I just haven't gotten motivated to head to those classes yet.

01:22:10.000 That's so funny.

01:22:12.000 Now, do you stretch?

01:22:14.000 Sometimes.

01:22:16.000 But wouldn't you think that that would be a good thing to do?

01:22:20.000 Oh, absolutely.

01:22:21.000 Why don't you do it?

01:22:22.000 I mean, I try, yeah.

01:22:24.000 It's just not incorporated into my normal routine very well.

01:22:29.000 Do you think maybe like things along those lines like maybe yoga or weightlifting or stretching would maybe possibly advance you to another level?

01:22:37.000 Yeah, I mean I might as well try and see.

01:22:40.000 Yeah, but that's what I'm thinking.

01:22:41.000 I'm like you're so far ahead.

01:22:44.000 I would imagine it's a matter of what could possibly make you better.

01:22:52.000 To win by that extreme of margin, I would think obviously what you're doing now is amazing.

01:22:59.000 If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

01:23:02.000 But are you at your very best?

01:23:08.000 I hope not.

01:23:09.000 I'm gonna keep trying to strive for higher.

01:23:12.000 Just keep putting Lego blocks up?

01:23:13.000 Yeah.

01:23:14.000 Keep building a higher and higher mountain?

01:23:16.000 Yeah, I like that.

01:23:16.000 I love Legos.

01:23:17.000 Who doesn't?

01:23:18.000 But it seems like it's a fairly good analogy, you know, that it seems that it's a slow, arduous process of improvement and it takes discipline and constant focus and constant attention and just time in.

01:23:33.000 Yeah, and enjoying it too.

01:23:35.000 That's a huge part of it for me as well.

01:23:38.000 I'm loving it still.

01:23:39.000 But you think that's part of the success as well, the enthusiasm that you have?

01:23:43.000 I think it's got to be.

01:23:44.000 If you're out there grinding every day for hours and you're just hating it, then you won't be jazzed to go to any starting line.

01:23:53.000 Yeah, well that's sort of what you were saying about the water thing.

01:23:56.000 That if you're low on water, don't let it freak you out.

01:24:00.000 Just deal with it and it'll be less.

01:24:03.000 That really does apply to life, doesn't it?

01:24:05.000 I think so, yeah.

01:24:07.000 No matter if you run or not, I think just figuring out how to deal with situations like that without freaking out and having it wreck your day is huge.

01:24:18.000 Now, what about runner's high?

01:24:19.000 How high do you get when you're running like that?

01:24:22.000 Is that real?

01:24:24.000 I don't get it, I just get tired.

01:24:28.000 Do you get runners high?

01:24:30.000 Sure, yeah.

01:24:31.000 I mean when you're out there like cruising along some beautiful trails and you're in an amazing place and you feel really good and maybe you're with people or maybe not, it definitely can feel really awesome.

01:24:47.000 But people like sort of chase that down, right?

01:24:49.000 There's some people that that is like the only way they stay sane.

01:24:53.000 I think they got to go out and get their medicine.

01:24:54.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:24:55.000 Getting that running.

01:24:57.000 Do you have like an end goal?

01:25:00.000 Like do you do that?

01:25:01.000 Do you look at like this running career and go, okay, I'm gonna get to be X amount of age.

01:25:07.000 I want to accomplish a certain amount of things and then stop.

01:25:11.000 Or is it just life?

01:25:14.000 Yeah, life.

01:25:15.000 It's just life.

01:25:16.000 Yeah, the cool part about this running stuff, I mean, you alluded to it earlier, but people in their 40s and 50s and 60s, they're doing these races and still enjoying the trails.

01:25:27.000 And I hope to still be doing it in 20 years and 30 years.

01:25:33.000 My friend Ari, his dad, who is a Holocaust survivor, who's 80 years old, just ran a marathon in six hours. 0.99

01:25:41.000 Fucking stud. 0.99

01:25:41.000 Wow! 0.99

01:25:42.000 That's amazing. 0.89

01:25:45.000 Dud.

01:25:46.000 I mean, come on.

01:25:47.000 I can't run a marathon in six hours. 1.00

01:25:49.000 I know Bert can't, that fat fuck. 1.00

01:25:52.000 Sorry, Bert, I love you. 1.00

01:25:54.000 Inside joke.

01:25:58.000 That's a total inside joke.

01:26:00.000 But Ari's dad is like, how does one do that?

01:26:05.000 How's an 80-year-old man run a marathon in six hours?

01:26:08.000 That's insane.

01:26:09.000 That's cool.

01:26:10.000 Yeah, just grinding.

01:26:11.000 Yeah.

01:26:12.000 I mean, what is the oldest competitor that you guys had in that race?

01:26:17.000 69, I think.

01:26:18.000 Wow.

01:26:19.000 Yeah.

01:26:20.000 How'd they do?

01:26:21.000 He finished.

01:26:23.000 Yeah.

01:26:24.000 It's amazing.

01:26:25.000 69 years old and he runs 238 miles.

01:26:30.000 I think he had something.

01:26:32.000 He's 69 years old and it was like his 6,800 plus mile race he'd ever done or something crazy like that.

01:26:40.000 At that age, you're on borrowed time. 1.00

01:26:43.000 Why not just burn that candle with a goddamn blowtorch? 1.00

01:26:47.000 Fuck the wick. 1.00

01:26:48.000 Just throw that candle in the volcano. 1.00

01:26:51.000 Yeah, or maybe he's making more time.

01:26:52.000 He might be.

01:26:53.000 Could be.

01:26:54.000 Rhonda Patrick, Dr. Rhonda Patrick, who's this brilliant woman I've had on the podcast a few times, posted something on Twitter just a couple of days ago that rigorous physical exercise can expand, lowers the biological age by as much as nine years.

01:27:11.000 Wow.

01:27:12.000 Did you find that?

01:27:13.000 Yeah, it's some crazy study they did on extending...

01:27:17.000 I mean, it just makes sense.

01:27:19.000 Any rigorous exercise.

01:27:20.000 Yeah, here it goes.

01:27:21.000 Physical exercise reduces cancer incidences, lowers the race of recurrence, inhibits tumor growth.

01:27:27.000 No, it's one that I retweeted.

01:27:30.000 Here it is.

01:27:31.000 High intensity exercise delayed biological aging by nine years as measured by telomere length.

01:27:38.000 Wow.

01:27:38.000 So this is like scientific analysis of your telomeres.

01:27:42.000 That's amazing.

01:27:44.000 So like what, nine years every time you...

01:27:46.000 No, no, no.

01:27:47.000 People who are rigorously exercising, say if you're 39, you're telomeres.

01:27:54.000 Results show that regular activity accounted for significantly longer telomeres in U.S. adults.

01:28:00.000 The longer telomeres found in active adults accounted for nine years of reduced cellular aging.

01:28:06.000 Regular physical activity reduces disease risk, possibly due to the preservation of telomeres.

01:28:12.000 Wow.

01:28:13.000 So that's an interesting thing because for the long time, telomeres are nucleoprotein caps positioned at the end of chromosomes.

01:28:21.000 And aging causes telomeres to shorten significantly and results in gradual cell deterioration.

01:28:27.000 And that makes sense because you see people that don't exercise and they get older and they look like shit, as opposed to someone who does exercise and they'll stand right next to them and you go, whoa, those two people the same age? 0.95

01:28:36.000 Like, that's crazy. 0.98

01:28:37.000 That's cool that they're studying that.

01:28:39.000 It'll be interesting to see how that unfolds as they learn more.

01:28:43.000 It makes sense, right?

01:28:44.000 You're requiring more of your body.

01:28:46.000 Your body has to maintain this much higher work rate than the average person.

01:28:50.000 Right.

01:28:50.000 Yeah.

01:28:51.000 That's cool.

01:28:52.000 How much sleep do you get a normal night?

01:28:54.000 Normal, probably seven or eight hours.

01:28:57.000 It's just normal stuff.

01:28:58.000 Yeah.

01:28:58.000 You're not doing anything crazy.

01:29:01.000 No.

01:29:01.000 Other than the actual accomplishment physically.

01:29:04.000 You're not doing anything crazy outside of it.

01:29:06.000 I don't think so.

01:29:07.000 Do you get massages?

01:29:08.000 No.

01:29:08.000 No?

01:29:09.000 Really?

01:29:10.000 Do you wear those crazy pants?

01:29:13.000 What are those crazy pants that smush your legs? 1.00

01:29:16.000 What are those things called?

01:29:17.000 Compression?

01:29:17.000 I sent those to Cam.

01:29:18.000 They sent them to me and I sent them to him.

01:29:20.000 The compression tights?

01:29:21.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:29:21.000 No, no, no, no, no.

01:29:22.000 They, like, massage your legs.

01:29:24.000 You put them, whoa!

01:29:26.000 I'll have them send them to you.

01:29:27.000 They sent them to me.

01:29:28.000 I didn't even ask for them.

01:29:29.000 Are they like the big boots?

01:29:31.000 Yeah, they're pants.

01:29:32.000 Normatec.

01:29:33.000 Yeah, Normatec. 1.00

01:29:33.000 They're supposed to be the shit. 1.00

01:29:35.000 No. 1.00

01:29:35.000 Yeah, pull up a video of that Normatec system. 1.00

01:29:38.000 They sent it to me and I sent it to Cam.

01:29:40.000 See if you find Cam's Instagram video.

01:29:42.000 I think he's got him using it.

01:29:43.000 But you climb into that thing and it massages your leg.

01:29:47.000 It says pulse leg recovery system.

01:29:50.000 People swear by these things.

01:29:52.000 Is it water filled or is that air?

01:29:53.000 I don't know.

01:29:53.000 It's a good question.

01:29:55.000 It's a good question.

01:29:56.000 It doesn't show up.

01:29:59.000 That could be cool if it was cold water.

01:30:02.000 Oh, right.

01:30:03.000 That would feel good, I bet.

01:30:04.000 Have you done cryotherapy?

01:30:05.000 No.

01:30:06.000 Ooh, you want to do it today?

01:30:08.000 It's a place right down the street.

01:30:09.000 What does that involve exactly?

01:30:11.000 It involves 240 degrees below zero for three minutes.

01:30:14.000 Oh, geez.

01:30:15.000 Hey, stand in there.

01:30:16.000 It's awesome.

01:30:17.000 You come out, you feel fantastic.

01:30:18.000 If you want to do it, we can do it.

01:30:20.000 There he is.

01:30:21.000 Oh, that's cool.

01:30:22.000 So that's him at a place doing it.

01:30:24.000 He has one at home now that I sent him.

01:30:27.000 They sent me one I didn't even ask for.

01:30:28.000 I don't know how they got my address or anything.

01:30:30.000 They just sent me a norm attack.

01:30:32.000 I'm like, okay.

01:30:33.000 And my wife's like, what are you going to do with this? 1.00

01:30:36.000 I'll just send it to Cam.

01:30:37.000 He'll use it.

01:30:38.000 He uses it.

01:30:39.000 Did you try it?

01:30:40.000 No.

01:30:41.000 I see a lot of athletes using it too.

01:30:43.000 Like LeBron James uses it after training.

01:30:45.000 It looks badass. 0.99

01:30:47.000 I mean, there's all these different methods of recovery, but Courtney don't need shit! 1.00

01:30:50.000 Go ahead, bitches. 1.00

01:30:52.000 You guys keep using it. 1.00

01:30:53.000 When you were running the long...

01:30:55.000 Did you listen to a certain playlist over and over and over again?

01:30:58.000 Do you hate certain songs now that you listen to them for 60 hours straight or no headphones and...

01:31:03.000 No, I use music occasionally.

01:31:06.000 I didn't use it for the entire thing.

01:31:08.000 I probably did a couple hours with music the first day and maybe a couple hours of music the second day just to like reboost.

01:31:16.000 Give someone your iPad or iPod, I mean.

01:31:19.000 Yeah.

01:31:20.000 Hey, I need it back.

01:31:20.000 I'm bored.

01:31:21.000 Yeah.

01:31:22.000 Or like, I want to change it up a bit.

01:31:25.000 Yeah.

01:31:26.000 So most of the time when you're training, do you use music or no?

01:31:29.000 I don't often use music.

01:31:31.000 Some days I will, but especially out on trails.

01:31:34.000 I mean, we just talked about all these animals that can kill you.

01:31:37.000 Then I'm not using music. 0.61

01:31:39.000 Right, if you don't hear the rattle, that would suck.

01:31:41.000 Or like the wings flapping behind your head.

01:31:44.000 Right before you get a scalping.

01:31:48.000 Now, do they test you guys for drugs?

01:31:51.000 Occasionally, some races have that.

01:31:53.000 This one did not.

01:31:54.000 This one didn't.

01:31:55.000 So you could be jacked up to the gills.

01:31:57.000 How many people you think were juiced up to the gills and they still couldn't beat you?

01:32:01.000 At least one.

01:32:02.000 At this race, no one was juiced. 1.00

01:32:04.000 Shut up. 0.99

01:32:05.000 There's someone out there. 1.00

01:32:05.000 No way. 1.00

01:32:06.000 There's one person who's on EPO for sure.

01:32:08.000 I won't believe it.

01:32:09.000 I believe it.

01:32:10.000 One person.

01:32:11.000 None of that stuff is filtering into the trail running scene.

01:32:15.000 I mean, there was a zero dollar prize on the line.

01:32:19.000 I understand that.

01:32:20.000 Why is someone going to EPO for that?

01:32:22.000 I know what you're saying, and it's very logical.

01:32:24.000 You're right.

01:32:25.000 But there was actually an article that was written about Silicon Valley CEOs that were taking EPO and doing triathlons and marathon races.

01:32:38.000 And they were taking these endurance drugs, these performance enhancing drugs, just for, I mean, just to try to up their performance in these amateur events.

01:32:48.000 That it's a big thing.

01:32:49.000 That it's a very common thing lately.

01:32:51.000 Interesting.

01:32:52.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:32:53.000 I mean, I don't even know where the fuck they get it. 0.98

01:32:56.000 Yeah, I don't know what all that would involve, but I like to think better of the trail running community and that people are pushing just their natural limits without seeing what any sort of drug regimen would do. 0.98

01:33:10.000 I would like to think better of them too, but I just, because of the UFC, I've seen so many people fail drug tests that I didn't think.

01:33:19.000 I was like, that guy?

01:33:20.000 Wow.

01:33:22.000 Huh.

01:33:22.000 Did Tank Abbott fail?

01:33:24.000 No.

01:33:24.000 Tank Abbott's all beer.

01:33:25.000 He was my guy.

01:33:26.000 He's your guy? 0.96

01:33:27.000 He's an animal.

01:33:28.000 He was an anywhere, anytime guy.

01:33:31.000 Yeah.

01:33:32.000 He'd fight anybody. 1.00

01:33:32.000 He would hop off a bar stool and beat the shit out of people. 1.00

01:33:34.000 We used to rent like four of the videos from Blockbuster and just marathon it. 0.97

01:33:42.000 Those were great.

01:33:43.000 That was before I was involved.

01:33:45.000 Those were awesome.

01:33:46.000 No eye gouging, no fish hooking.

01:33:50.000 But there was probably definitely dudes that he fought that were on steroids.

01:33:53.000 I mean, I don't know if he ever took anything, but there's a lot of people that have took things.

01:33:57.000 But back then, you could take whatever you wanted, and there was no drug testing in the early days.

01:34:02.000 But, you know, it's like, how much does that help?

01:34:07.000 And how much is...

01:34:09.000 Especially when it comes to trail running.

01:34:11.000 Like, what you're doing is, first of all, you're living at elevation, which is phenomenal, right?

01:34:16.000 Then you're also just constantly putting in the work and grinding, and it's a full-time job now.

01:34:22.000 And you're obviously a special athlete when it comes to your ability to focus. 0.99

01:34:26.000 And you went fucking blind, lady. 1.00

01:34:28.000 I mean, you went blind, you kept running. 0.99

01:34:31.000 You know, so there's no drugs out there that can fix that.

01:34:34.000 There's no...

01:34:35.000 That's true.

01:34:36.000 Yeah.

01:34:36.000 There's nothing that's going to give you that kind of mental fortitude to push past blindness.

01:34:41.000 Right.

01:34:42.000 And they're getting better about...

01:34:43.000 I mean, more and more trail races are starting to implement drug testing just to try and, like...

01:34:51.000 Cut it out before it even becomes a thing.

01:34:53.000 That's smart.

01:34:54.000 Yeah.

01:34:55.000 Yeah, weed out all the performance enhancing stuff.

01:34:57.000 But, you know, there's going to be, there's a line, right?

01:35:00.000 Like, what do you test for and what don't you test for?

01:35:03.000 Right.

01:35:04.000 What's okay?

01:35:05.000 You know, multivitamins are okay?

01:35:07.000 All right.

01:35:07.000 Well, what about, you know, there's some weird stuff that people take, you know, some weird stuff from GNC. Right.

01:35:15.000 You know?

01:35:15.000 We're having issues with that in the UFC where guys take just over-the-counter stuff at GNC and it turns out it actually has steroids in it.

01:35:22.000 Yeah.

01:35:23.000 Apparently it's super common that these, you know, all these muscle building this and, you know, stack that.

01:35:29.000 Right.

01:35:29.000 A lot of that stuff is, they literally put performance enhancing drugs in them.

01:35:35.000 Right.

01:35:35.000 Which is why they work.

01:35:36.000 So then it's just your job as an athlete to know what's on the ingredient list and is it okay?

01:35:42.000 Yeah, USADA actually has a list of things that have tested positive for steroids and it is crazy.

01:35:51.000 I had Jeff Novitski on who is the head of USADA and now works for the UFC's drug enforcement program and trying to catch people cheating and we pulled up the USADA website and your jaw drops.

01:36:02.000 You're like, what?

01:36:03.000 All the stuff? 1.00

01:36:04.000 Thousands of fucking supplements that you're buying from just a regular mom and pop vitamin store. 1.00

01:36:12.000 That's crazy. 1.00

01:36:13.000 It has steroids in them.

01:36:14.000 Yeah.

01:36:15.000 But you just take a multivitamin.

01:36:17.000 That's it.

01:36:17.000 Yeah.

01:36:18.000 Just a women's multivitamin. 1.00

01:36:20.000 Oh, a women's multivitamin. 0.99

01:36:21.000 Yeah.

01:36:22.000 Is there a difference?

01:36:24.000 No, I don't know.

01:36:25.000 It's probably a marketing scheme.

01:36:26.000 Probably, right?

01:36:27.000 Yeah.

01:36:28.000 And do you think that there's anything that you could take that would possibly enhance your performance in any way?

01:36:35.000 That's legal?

01:36:36.000 Yeah.

01:36:37.000 I don't think so.

01:36:39.000 Is there something that other runners rely on?

01:36:42.000 Is there something that you hear people talk about, like vitamins or supplements or anything?

01:36:47.000 No, I think more the conversation is always about the diets and changing up what you eat or what food groups you live in and all of that is more what I hear talk about.

01:37:01.000 I'm just not interested in cutting out carbs or cutting out fat.

01:37:06.000 I want it all.

01:37:07.000 Yeah.

01:37:08.000 Yeah, that's one of the guys that ran.

01:37:11.000 He ran a hundred miles.

01:37:12.000 What is this gentleman's name?

01:37:14.000 He's actually emailed me.

01:37:16.000 He ran a hundred miles faster than anybody ever, and he's on some fat-burning diet.

01:37:21.000 He's on one of those...

01:37:22.000 What is that, keto?

01:37:23.000 Yeah, he's on a ketogenic diet.

01:37:25.000 Okay.

01:37:26.000 And his whole...

01:37:26.000 Here's his name.

01:37:27.000 Zach Bitter.

01:37:29.000 Yeah.

01:37:29.000 Yeah, do you know who that guy is?

01:37:30.000 Yeah.

01:37:31.000 Yeah.

01:37:32.000 He is...

01:37:35.000 He won.

01:37:36.000 There he is.

01:37:36.000 Yep.

01:37:37.000 Yeah.

01:37:37.000 He eats almost no carbs.

01:37:39.000 Oh, carbs are my favorite.

01:37:42.000 Well, you brought up something, too, that I think is really important that really can't be stressed enough, is that everybody's body's different.

01:37:50.000 Yeah.

01:37:50.000 It really is.

01:37:51.000 He ran 100 miles in 11 hours, 40 minutes, and 55 seconds.

01:37:56.000 What a monster.

01:37:57.000 Yeah.

01:37:58.000 That's on a quarter-mile track.

01:38:00.000 Six and a half marathons.

01:38:03.000 That is insane.

01:38:05.000 402 laps on a track.

01:38:07.000 Jesus Christ.

01:38:09.000 That's awesome.

01:38:10.000 Yeah, he's a really great athlete.

01:38:12.000 That's a monster. 0.58

01:38:13.000 That's insane.

01:38:14.000 It's incredible that he can do this with almost no carbs.

01:38:18.000 Right.

01:38:18.000 All fat.

01:38:19.000 Right.

01:38:19.000 You're just not interested in trying that.

01:38:21.000 No.

01:38:22.000 I mean, I don't see a need for it.

01:38:24.000 Why should you?

01:38:25.000 Yeah.

01:38:26.000 I'm not saying they aren't enjoying life, but the things that I enjoy involve just not worrying about it.

01:38:34.000 Yeah.

01:38:34.000 Like, do you regulate your sugar intake at all?

01:38:38.000 No.

01:38:39.000 I guess if you run as much as you run, you don't have to think about your diet at all, right?

01:38:44.000 I don't.

01:38:45.000 I mean, maybe that could be one of the Lego pieces that I try and fine-tune, but it's not on my to-do list for the near future.

01:38:54.000 Yeah, I mean, again, it's like if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

01:38:58.000 But what if someone comes creeping up real close to you, Courtney?

01:39:02.000 Someone's starting to, like, you're finishing, and they're finishing a couple minutes behind you, and you're like, wow, I might need to kick in the afterburners.

01:39:12.000 Is that when you would go to a nutritionist?

01:39:14.000 Try to tighten up your diet?

01:39:16.000 Yeah, I mean there's plenty of people who beat me and I'm just trying to work harder, like train more, train better, get stronger, especially like those core muscles.

01:39:28.000 Like what kind of exercises do you do for your core?

01:39:31.000 Just like the normal planks and things of that nature.

01:39:35.000 And yeah, that doesn't motivate me to change my diet.

01:39:40.000 People beating me.

01:39:41.000 No?

01:39:42.000 No.

01:39:43.000 It would take more than that?

01:39:44.000 That just is like, okay, you need to train harder.

01:39:47.000 You need to put in more work for this. 0.86

01:39:49.000 But don't you think that the fuel that you use in your body, obviously me giving you any advice is fucking ridiculous, but don't you think that the fuel that goes in your body has some sort of an effect on your performance? 0.92

01:40:00.000 I mean, it must. 0.96

01:40:01.000 Surely, surely.

01:40:02.000 But I also just want to live life and enjoy it, you know?

01:40:07.000 Like, I don't want to be counting how many kale pieces I'm eating.

01:40:12.000 Well, it's a good answer.

01:40:13.000 I mean, obviously your enthusiasm is a huge part of your success.

01:40:18.000 And your mental state, I think, it can't be argued at all that that's not a huge part of your success.

01:40:27.000 And just to keep enjoying your life and living the way you're living perhaps fuels that mental state.

01:40:34.000 Yeah.

01:40:35.000 I mean, I'm thinking they're all intertwined, but who knows, you know, what thing could be tweaked to make it better.

01:40:41.000 Yeah, well, I don't know.

01:40:43.000 You know, I mean, it's all that Jack Nicholson, The Shining.

01:40:47.000 You know, too much work, no play, makes Jack a dull boy.

01:40:50.000 Right.

01:40:50.000 Yeah.

01:40:51.000 Yeah.

01:40:52.000 Is it John or Jack?

01:40:53.000 Who is he?

01:40:54.000 In the movie, it was Jack, too?

01:40:56.000 Johnny.

01:40:57.000 Johnny, a dull boy, right?

01:40:58.000 Yeah.

01:40:59.000 Here's Johnny.

01:41:00.000 That's right.

01:41:01.000 Yeah.

01:41:02.000 I mean, I wonder if, like, maybe just the ultimate grind of discipline and no reward is just not beneficial to performance.

01:41:12.000 That there's some sort of a balance that must be achieved.

01:41:15.000 Yeah.

01:41:15.000 Enjoying yourself and being enthusiastic and appreciative and also disciplined.

01:41:21.000 Yeah.

01:41:21.000 I think a good balance of all that is important.

01:41:24.000 Well, listen, Courtney, thank you so much for being here.

01:41:27.000 You are an inspiration and I'm so blown away by what you've managed to do.

01:41:33.000 And I can't wait to see what you can do in the future and if you really can run 500 miles.

01:41:37.000 If you do 500 miles, you got to come back in here.

01:41:40.000 We got to talk about it.

01:41:41.000 You better just be out on the course with a foam finger. 0.97

01:41:45.000 I'll wear whatever you want.

01:41:46.000 I'll wear a chicken outfit like those dudes who sell real estate.

01:41:49.000 Whatever you need.

01:41:50.000 Thank you.

01:41:51.000 Thank you so much.

01:41:52.000 Thank you for having me.

01:41:53.000 And everybody, tell people how they can get a hold of you on Twitter.

01:41:55.000 It's different than Instagram.

01:41:57.000 Instagram is Courtney DeWalter.

01:41:59.000 Instagram is Courtney DeWalter.

01:42:01.000 Twitter is Court DeWalter.

01:42:02.000 And D-A-U-W-A-L-T-E-R. Correct. 1.00

01:42:07.000 Whoever's got Courtney DeWalter on Twitter, give it up, bitch. 1.00

01:42:11.000 Come on. 1.00

01:42:12.000 That's ridiculous. 0.99

01:42:14.000 Give it to her. 0.99

01:42:15.000 Because they got it, right?

01:42:16.000 Right after you won, right?

01:42:17.000 That's when they did it?

01:42:18.000 Yeah, some weird series of events led to a Twitter being made for me.

01:42:22.000 But didn't they say they were going to give it to you?

01:42:23.000 They said they were going to give it to you, right?

01:42:24.000 Yeah.

01:42:25.000 Okay, make that happen.

01:42:27.000 Thank you so much, Courtney.

01:42:28.000 It's been awesome.

The Joe Rogan Experience - October 24, 2017

Joe Rogan Experience #1027 - Courtney Dauwalter

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