The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1028 - Adam Greentree

00:00:01.000 I'm scared to ask you too many questions until we get live.

00:00:20.000 Got home, pretty much hugged the family to death, went straight to Arnhem Land in the Northern Territory of Australia, complete opposite, like just first thing in the morning just sweating, covered in mosquitoes, flat barren ground.

00:00:33.000 And then, but no humans, like a small indigenous population out there and that's it. 0.62

00:00:38.000 Then straight from there, so straight from Arnhem Land to Sydney, met Kim in Sydney and then straight here to LA and flying in and it was just like...

00:00:47.000 I don't know.

00:00:47.000 How many people live here?

00:00:48.000 Too many.

00:00:49.000 Too many.

00:00:49.000 There's more people here than in the entire country of Australia.

00:00:53.000 That's crazy.

00:00:55.000 And I remember last time I was here and you're like, you know, this is the safest place on earth.

00:01:01.000 Or the safest place in the U.S. And there was that armed robbery or whatever there was in Calabasas there.

00:01:08.000 Today when we flew in, I went into a cell provider to get a SIM card.

00:01:15.000 A dude walks in, look, full dodgy.

00:01:17.000 I knew something was about to go on.

00:01:19.000 The dude that was serving me knew something was going on.

00:01:21.000 I kept seeing him looking over my shoulder at this guy.

00:01:24.000 He grabs a Bluetooth speaker and is pretending like he's going to go to the checkout and I'm just being polite and thinking there's something going on so let's just get him done and out of the store.

00:01:34.000 Then he goes to do a full runner for it, dude, straight out the door with this Bluetooth speaker.

00:01:39.000 But old mate had his runners on and chased him down and got it off him.

00:01:42.000 Really?

00:01:43.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:01:45.000 And I'm like, every time I come here, there's something crazy going on.

00:01:48.000 Well, if you're in the wrong place at the wrong time, there's plenty of crazy going on.

00:01:51.000 Yeah, for sure.

00:01:53.000 There's just so many people.

00:01:54.000 There's so many people.

00:01:55.000 That's what it is, yeah.

00:01:55.000 Yeah, there's no way around it.

00:01:56.000 But, you know, fairly safe.

00:02:01.000 Fairly. 1.00

00:02:02.000 I mean, you're out there fucking shooting water buffaloes and shit. 1.00

00:02:05.000 Which is safer than fucking people. 1.00

00:02:06.000 That's just not bullshit. 1.00

00:02:08.000 That's crazy. 0.99

00:02:10.000 It's safer than people.

00:02:10.000 No, when you're Adam Greentree, maybe it's safer because you know what you're doing.

00:02:15.000 You know how to hunt them.

00:02:16.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:02:16.000 But you were telling a story on whose podcast?

00:02:20.000 Was it Jay Scott's?

00:02:22.000 I forget whose podcast it was.

00:02:23.000 You were telling a story about one of your friends that got gored by a scrub bull. 0.99

00:02:26.000 Oh, Pedro Lever that got gored by a scrub bull, yeah. 1.00

00:02:29.000 Yeah, see?

00:02:29.000 That's not good.

00:02:30.000 That doesn't happen out here.

00:02:31.000 That's definitely not good.

00:02:33.000 Did I tell you that story?

00:02:34.000 No.

00:02:35.000 So, what happened?

00:02:36.000 He shot a scrub bull.

00:02:37.000 Well, tell people what a scrub bull is. 1.00

00:02:38.000 Yeah, so a scrub bull's just like domestic cattle, but it's been out in the wilderness.

00:02:44.000 Many, many generations.

00:02:45.000 Exactly.

00:02:45.000 Wild.

00:02:46.000 And they've changed the way they look.

00:02:47.000 Yeah, they're like a real feral, inbred-looking... 0.92

00:02:50.000 They're crazy-looking. 0.96

00:02:51.000 They're crazy-looking. 0.97

00:02:52.000 And they're crazy dangerous, too.

00:02:54.000 Here's a photo of them.

00:02:55.000 I mean, that looks amazing.

00:02:57.000 That is such a cool-looking animal.

00:02:59.000 That looks so much different.

00:03:00.000 And that's pretty much a purebred Brahman, that one. 0.99

00:03:03.000 Look at that one.

00:03:04.000 Whoa.

00:03:05.000 Yeah, that looks like...

00:03:08.000 So when you say it's a purebred brahma, that means... 0.99

00:03:10.000 That's a pretty good looking bull. 0.78

00:03:12.000 If you go up the top, Jamie, there's a couple more at the top.

00:03:15.000 That red one that you were just under?

00:03:17.000 That one there?

00:03:18.000 Yeah.

00:03:18.000 That's a pretty typical scrub bull there.

00:03:20.000 That's a fellow that I know actually in Australia.

00:03:23.000 Is that a stick bow he's got?

00:03:24.000 Yeah, he's got a trad bow.

00:03:26.000 That's all he hunts with is a trad bow.

00:03:27.000 Oh, Jesus.

00:03:28.000 Why do people do that to themselves?

00:03:29.000 So, the problem with these animals, obviously they don't respect fences and they'll go and breed and interbreed with like a farmer's stock and things like that.

00:03:39.000 And is that bad for the farmer stock?

00:03:42.000 Oh, definitely, yeah.

00:03:42.000 They'll just go straight through fences.

00:03:44.000 But I mean, as far as the breeding?

00:03:47.000 Yeah, he'll have a heap of calves and they won't be purebred anymore. 0.76

00:03:50.000 So they're not good for rebreeding or they won't fetch the same value at the markets either.

00:03:56.000 What is the difference in the genetics?

00:03:58.000 They look different?

00:04:00.000 They look a fair bit different.

00:04:02.000 So that first bull that Jamie showed was like a Brahmin bull. 1.00

00:04:05.000 Then one of those scrub bulls, which is just bits of friggin' every sort of bull over a lot of generations, will come in and interbreed with it and then sort of wrecks the herd. 0.99

00:04:14.000 And when did they get released, or when did they escape?

00:04:16.000 Well, it would have been with the first cattle that come into Australia.

00:04:20.000 1800s?

00:04:21.000 1800s, yeah.

00:04:21.000 Wow.

00:04:22.000 So they've just sort of morphed and become wild animals now.

00:04:25.000 And wild bulls, very dangerous, right?

00:04:27.000 They're very dangerous, yeah.

00:04:28.000 So...

00:04:29.000 What happened was Pedro shot this ball and it dropped unconscious.

00:04:33.000 He thought it was dead, walked up to it.

00:04:36.000 It jumped up.

00:04:37.000 He literally got up to it and it jumped up.

00:04:40.000 It ended up getting him against a tree.

00:04:42.000 He ran to get up a tree.

00:04:43.000 He felt it hit him and it sort of lifted him up the tree.

00:04:47.000 We're good to go.

00:05:05.000 Two times, I think.

00:05:06.000 Once in the air, because the Royal Flying Doctors come in and grabbed him, because he was a long way out in the middle of nowhere.

00:05:12.000 And then once on the operating table as well.

00:05:15.000 Wow.

00:05:16.000 Yeah, but he survived all that and ended up dying of a bloody mass heart attack.

00:05:19.000 No way?

00:05:20.000 Yeah.

00:05:20.000 When?

00:05:21.000 I think he was only 36 or 37. Do you think it had anything to do with the accident?

00:05:27.000 I don't reckon it was related at all.

00:05:28.000 Really?

00:05:29.000 Yeah.

00:05:30.000 You would think that a guy could get past getting gored by a bull, push his guts back into him.

00:05:35.000 Like, that guy's not going to get a heart attack?

00:05:37.000 Yeah, life's not fair, eh? 1.00

00:05:38.000 Don't give a shit. 1.00

00:05:39.000 Wow, that's crazy. 1.00

00:05:40.000 Oh, thank you, Jamie.

00:05:44.000 My shoelace is untied as well if you want to fix that.

00:05:47.000 Those don't have shoelaces.

00:05:49.000 You've got those underwear fat tires with a little click in the wheel. 0.94

00:05:52.000 I like those.

00:05:53.000 Everyone asks me about my boots.

00:05:55.000 I'll get a glimpse of whatever shoes that I'm wearing.

00:05:57.000 I'll shoot some awesome animal and they're like, what shoes are you wearing?

00:06:01.000 People are gearheads, man.

00:06:03.000 I know. 0.88

00:06:04.000 That's a big thing about hunting, is how many people are crazy gearheads.

00:06:08.000 They want to know what kind of bow you have, what sight are you running, what kind of shoes do you wear?

00:06:13.000 It's really uninteresting to me, maybe because I've done it for so long.

00:06:18.000 I sort of don't care about the gear as long as it works as good as it should.

00:06:22.000 Because everyone asks me to keep doing these tip things as well, and I hate doing that.

00:06:26.000 I hate listening to them, but if you're a new guy coming into bow hunting, then obviously you want to know.

00:06:31.000 Some people love that stuff, man.

00:06:33.000 Like John Dudley's tips that he does.

00:06:35.000 He does these live Instagram and YouTube Facebook feeds where he'll take a bow apart, put it back together again, explain the cam systems.

00:06:43.000 Yeah, he's extreme with He's extreme.

00:06:46.000 He's my go-to guy.

00:06:48.000 If I don't know something that I'm doing, I'll go straight to Dudley every time.

00:06:52.000 Dudley's podcast, if you're into archery, is called Knock On.

00:06:55.000 And the Knock On podcast is, without a doubt, the most in-depth archery podcast from not just hunting, from a hunting standpoint, but from just target archery, how important technique is.

00:07:08.000 I mean, he's a real master.

00:07:10.000 Yeah.

00:07:10.000 Loves it.

00:07:11.000 Yeah.

00:07:11.000 And he's a super gearhead, too.

00:07:13.000 He is.

00:07:14.000 How's your sober October going?

00:07:16.000 It's crazy.

00:07:17.000 It's going good.

00:07:18.000 The sober part's easy.

00:07:19.000 The hot yoga, we're in the home stretch.

00:07:21.000 Today was number 13, so I got two more.

00:07:23.000 I'm banging them out this week.

00:07:24.000 I'm going to do tomorrow and Friday and be done with it.

00:07:26.000 Yeah, right.

00:07:27.000 Awesome.

00:07:27.000 Because I want to get back to doing other stuff, and when you do a 90-minute yoga class, it's hard to lift weights or run or do anything else.

00:07:34.000 You don't really want to do anything else, you know?

00:07:36.000 So, I'm just going to bang it out and get it over with.

00:07:38.000 Yeah, Kim's done it once and she reckons it was like hell on earth.

00:07:42.000 Just the yoga?

00:07:42.000 Yeah, just the yoga.

00:07:43.000 I think she had a big drinking session before it. 0.84

00:07:46.000 She was in Bali. 1.00

00:07:48.000 And she just made some stupid promises to this Balinese woman. 0.99

00:07:52.000 And then this Balinese woman's ringing her up the next morning like, where are you for yoga? 1.00

00:07:57.000 Kim just thought it was yoga, though.

00:07:59.000 So she's like, oh, I can do yoga in my sleep.

00:08:01.000 And she gets here and it's like in this hot room and stuff.

00:08:04.000 And it made it was killing us.

00:08:06.000 Bali, too, I would imagine is very humid.

00:08:08.000 Oh, humid.

00:08:08.000 It'd be muggy as hell.

00:08:10.000 Yeah.

00:08:10.000 Ari was talking about that today because Ari does yoga in New York, which is way more humid than it is in California.

00:08:18.000 California is dry.

00:08:19.000 Yeah, so he was probably loving today.

00:08:21.000 We went to a different place today.

00:08:23.000 Today we went to a place that was more mild, not as hot.

00:08:28.000 But your body gets used to it.

00:08:31.000 It's interesting.

00:08:32.000 You know I do that cryotherapy stuff?

00:08:35.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:08:36.000 Well, I did it yesterday for the first time in about three weeks, I guess.

00:08:40.000 And it was hard.

00:08:41.000 Yeah.

00:08:41.000 Whereas when I do it every day, it's nothing.

00:08:44.000 You're conditioned to it.

00:08:44.000 I just get in there and I do it.

00:08:45.000 But it's quick how that conditioning goes away.

00:08:48.000 Yeah.

00:08:49.000 Hey, did you see the pig tusks that I brought you?

00:08:50.000 Yeah, I did.

00:08:51.000 It's pretty badass.

00:08:52.000 Did you have a set of them yet?

00:08:53.000 These are cutters.

00:08:54.000 No, I've never killed a boar.

00:08:55.000 I've only killed sows.

00:08:56.000 You need to come to Australia, my friend. 1.00

00:08:58.000 I do, but I'm scared.

00:09:00.000 I've got to be honest with you. 1.00

00:09:01.000 Every time I look at your Instagram feed and I see a brown snake that can kill you or a spider that can kill you or fucking saltwater crocodiles. 1.00

00:09:07.000 What are you doing playing with crocodiles the other day, man? 1.00

00:09:09.000 They were coming in the camp, dude.

00:09:11.000 There was a couple of...

00:09:12.000 I wish I captured it on video.

00:09:14.000 There was one that she... 0.85

00:09:16.000 I think it was a female anyway. 1.00

00:09:18.000 She must have been coming around the back of camp unnoticed.

00:09:20.000 So when she was heading back to the water, she was literally coming straight through camp to get back to the water.

00:09:26.000 There it is.

00:09:27.000 That thing... 0.62

00:09:28.000 That photo doesn't do that thing justice.

00:09:31.000 That photo scares the shit out of me.

00:09:32.000 That's a real... 0.99

00:09:34.000 That's a real live monster right there. 1.00

00:09:36.000 How big was that fucker? 1.00

00:09:37.000 He's about five and a half meters. 1.00

00:09:40.000 Whoa.

00:09:40.000 He's giant.

00:09:41.000 He's old.

00:09:41.000 You can even see it in the texture of his body.

00:09:43.000 He's just a real old croc.

00:09:45.000 Five and a half meters to Americans.

00:09:47.000 I want you to think about 15 feet.

00:09:50.000 America.

00:09:51.000 So a few people have been taken at this spot, mostly indigenous, have been grabbed at that spot over the years.

00:09:58.000 And when you see an ancient beast like that, there's a chance he's at...

00:10:02.000 A man-eater.

00:10:02.000 Yeah.

00:10:03.000 Yeah.

00:10:04.000 They're just ruthless.

00:10:05.000 Like, how old do you think a 15 and a half foot crocodile is?

00:10:09.000 I don't know.

00:10:09.000 I don't want to comment because I don't know and I'll probably get it wrong.

00:10:13.000 I would like to know, like, how long does it take them to grow 15 and a half feet?

00:10:16.000 See if you can find that, Jamie.

00:10:17.000 Saltwater crocodile.

00:10:18.000 I'm pretty sure they live over 100 years.

00:10:20.000 Yeah, they live a long time, right?

00:10:23.000 They're ruthless, too.

00:10:25.000 People who live in Florida, don't get those confused with alligators.

00:10:28.000 They're a different animal.

00:10:29.000 Completely different animal.

00:10:30.000 So we've got the freshwater crocodile, which just lives in freshwater.

00:10:34.000 Then we've got the saltwater crocodile, but he lives in both.

00:10:37.000 And so a lot of people get that confused.

00:10:39.000 Like, oh, it's freshwater.

00:10:40.000 I'll be right to go for a swim.

00:10:42.000 No.

00:10:43.000 So the freshwater crocodiles are not as aggressive?

00:10:45.000 They're not as aggressive.

00:10:46.000 They might get a bit territorial, but they're not going to grab you to eat you.

00:10:50.000 Whereas the salty will grab you to eat you.

00:10:51.000 You just look like another.

00:10:52.000 They keep growing throughout their lifespan, require more and more food.

00:10:55.000 When the amount of food is unavailable, they die from starvation.

00:10:58.000 The reason why you don't see a thousand-year-old crocodiles that are 50 feet long.

00:11:02.000 Wow, that's the only reason? 1.00

00:11:03.000 Holy shit! 1.00

00:11:05.000 The way they die is out of starvation or if they contract a disease. 1.00

00:11:08.000 Oh my god, they just keep growing!

00:11:11.000 That's crazy!

00:11:12.000 That's why these ones in captivity, because they're getting hand-fed, probably get the biggest.

00:11:17.000 That's where you'll see the biggest crocs.

00:11:19.000 The Guinness Book of World Records, the saltwater crocodile caught in Australia as the largest crocodile in captivity, measures 17 feet, 11.75 inches, so basically 18 feet.

00:11:30.000 Yeah, that's huge.

00:11:32.000 So my buddy, my buddy Andrew Oogles...

00:11:36.000 Have you heard of Andrew Uckels?

00:11:39.000 No, I haven't.

00:11:40.000 He's like a YouTube sensation.

00:11:42.000 He's been capturing just about everything in Australia for the last millennium.

00:11:48.000 And...

00:11:50.000 He's seen a six-meter crocodile before. 0.99

00:11:52.000 And he's one of these guys, you don't bullshit. 0.95

00:11:54.000 Like, if he says he's seen a six-meter crocodile, he's seen a six-meter crocodile. 0.97

00:11:57.000 Yeah, but that's just the biggest one in captivity, right?

00:11:59.000 That's right, yeah.

00:12:00.000 And Australia has a ton of food.

00:12:02.000 A ton of food, yeah.

00:12:03.000 So it's not like they're going to starve to death.

00:12:05.000 This river system, we went down there fishing, and we probably traveled an hour down the river in a little tinny, a little boat.

00:12:12.000 I reckon we've seen 200 to 250 saltwater crocodiles in that time.

00:12:18.000 Jeez.

00:12:19.000 Because they can't harvest them or they don't cull them out or anything like that.

00:12:24.000 Is there laws protecting them?

00:12:25.000 Is that what they do?

00:12:25.000 There is.

00:12:26.000 There's laws protecting them.

00:12:27.000 So that's why the place is just riddled with them at the moment. 0.83

00:12:29.000 But why are there laws protecting them?

00:12:31.000 It sounds like they're infested.

00:12:32.000 Well, anything that's a native in Australia is protected. 0.97

00:12:36.000 So like you guys, you know how you can hunt your white-tailed deer and everything like that.

00:12:40.000 Australia, you can't hunt kangaroos.

00:12:42.000 You can't hunt any native, so everything we're hunting is an introduced species.

00:12:46.000 That sounds crazy.

00:12:46.000 Crocodiles are native, so you can't hunt them.

00:12:49.000 There's been talk about bringing in, like, a program, but I don't know if it'll happen.

00:12:53.000 But that's so weird.

00:12:55.000 Yeah.

00:12:55.000 That seems to me to be very strange.

00:12:57.000 That's a completely different system, yeah.

00:12:59.000 Yeah.

00:12:59.000 But, well, it makes sense that you guys hunt all the non-native species because they're invasive and they devastate the land and the other wildlife.

00:13:08.000 You guys have crazy problems with feral cats.

00:13:11.000 We talked about that before.

00:13:12.000 And, you know, you have Pigs everywhere. 0.94

00:13:15.000 Name it. 0.89

00:13:16.000 Donkeys, wild horses, even the funny ones that people don't think about, like donkeys, wild horses, camels.

00:13:21.000 I think camels probably get a little bit of exposure.

00:13:23.000 Then we've got all your typical stuff, you know, pigs, goats.

00:13:26.000 We've got the six deer species.

00:13:28.000 So if we didn't have any of those introduced species, there would be no hunting in Australia.

00:13:34.000 That sounds nuts.

00:13:36.000 So they're only hunting just to get rid of the invasive species?

00:13:39.000 Yeah, that's correct.

00:13:40.000 But how do they control the populations of the kangaroos?

00:13:42.000 Kangaroo, you can get a permit.

00:13:45.000 I couldn't as a bow hunter or just a hunter couldn't get a permit.

00:13:48.000 But if you're a professional shooter, like you're shooting for human consumption or pet meat or something like that, or if you're a big landowner, You can get a tag or permit to shoot kangaroos.

00:13:59.000 Then every now and then there'll be an organised cull because they let them get so far out of control that they eat the ground down to dust pretty much.

00:14:08.000 Then they lay around and die a slow death of a couple of months because they lose nutrition.

00:14:13.000 They're weak and they don't move and obviously it's a very painful way for them to go.

00:14:18.000 Once it gets to that point it seems like they're like, oh we need to do a cull now.

00:14:22.000 So, and all it is, is we've spoken about these people before, the greenies, you know, these people that really don't have a good picture on it and see that a cull or a hunting program is actually better welfare for the animals because they stay healthier and in check. 0.67

00:14:37.000 Well, yeah, they don't have any predators, essentially.

00:14:39.000 Yes, exactly, yeah.

00:14:39.000 Some places got wild dogs or dingoes, but that's about it.

00:14:42.000 Yeah, and how many dingoes can take out a kangaroo? 0.97

00:14:46.000 Those kangaroos get pretty goddamn big. 0.99

00:14:47.000 Yeah, they do. 0.95

00:14:48.000 They take them out.

00:14:49.000 They try and take down buffalo and stuff.

00:14:51.000 Do they really?

00:14:52.000 Yeah, I don't think they're very successful. 0.53

00:14:54.000 They'd pick off a pig or a piglet or something like that instead. 0.95

00:14:58.000 Man, you know, it's just...

00:15:00.000 I just don't understand why they would not try to keep the crocodiles in check if you've seen hundreds and hundreds of crocodiles like that because what are those things going to eat?

00:15:09.000 What's going on here, Jamie?

00:15:10.000 Oh, this is in Malaysia.

00:15:12.000 A croc showed up in front of somebody's shop and they were trying to get rid of it and they apparently don't know how.

00:15:19.000 These people have helmets on.

00:15:20.000 This is like a month ago.

00:15:22.000 Why do they have helmets on?

00:15:22.000 Maybe they're going to headbutt it.

00:15:24.000 This guy's got a gaff.

00:15:26.000 What is he going to do here?

00:15:27.000 He's trying to throw a tarp on it so they can get it out of there.

00:15:30.000 It seems like a bad idea.

00:15:31.000 This is hilarious.

00:15:32.000 They're all wearing camo.

00:15:33.000 But why are they wearing red camo?

00:15:35.000 There might be the firemen, I think, it looks like.

00:15:37.000 There's a fire truck right there.

00:15:38.000 But why do firemen wear camo?

00:15:39.000 What are they blending into that's got red in it?

00:15:42.000 That's a uniform, you think?

00:15:43.000 Probably a fire uniform.

00:15:44.000 That's why they got their helmets on.

00:15:45.000 But that helmet looks like a motorcycle helmet.

00:15:47.000 Hey, it's a different country.

00:15:49.000 It's a different stuff.

00:15:52.000 It's Captain Diversity over here.

00:15:53.000 Jamie Vernon.

00:15:54.000 Look how big that is.

00:15:55.000 That's a good-sized crock. 1.00

00:15:56.000 He's a big fucker and he's got his mouth open too. 1.00

00:16:00.000 He's like, bitch, I'll kill you all. 1.00

00:16:03.000 They're scary. 1.00

00:16:04.000 Oh, they're so different.

00:16:05.000 Yeah.

00:16:05.000 Like, I grew up when I was, not when I grew up, actually, but I lived there for three years.

00:16:10.000 I lived in Gainesville, Florida.

00:16:11.000 And when I lived there, alligators were protected.

00:16:14.000 They used to be protected.

00:16:15.000 And we used to go to this place called Lake Alice, and we would throw marshmallows into the water, and the alligators would come up and eat the marshmallows.

00:16:21.000 But then they started snatching people's dogs.

00:16:23.000 I remember this one lady freaked out, wanted to snatch her dog, just pull it right off her leash, and she was freaked out. 0.99

00:16:28.000 Yeah.

00:16:28.000 And that started happening more and more, and then the population got denser and denser.

00:16:32.000 At one point in time, they were endangered.

00:16:34.000 Now, they're infested.

00:16:36.000 Now, there's so many alligators that they have.

00:16:39.000 You ever see that show, Swamp People?

00:16:40.000 Yeah, yeah. 0.94

00:16:41.000 That show where they go hunting for alligators, which, you know, people make purses and shoes and shit out of them. 0.98

00:16:45.000 They get 500 tags. 0.78

00:16:49.000 Yeah.

00:16:49.000 500. So they can chew 500 fucking alligators.

00:16:52.000 Yeah, just to keep the population healthy. 0.99

00:16:54.000 And the food is apparently very good.

00:16:56.000 The tail meat is apparently delicious.

00:16:58.000 I think Benny O'Brien was just down there somewhere, maybe a month back.

00:17:02.000 Oh yeah?

00:17:03.000 And they were down there and they must set a line and hook them and harvest them.

00:17:07.000 They were taking a heap of meat, obviously the leather off the skins and things like that.

00:17:10.000 The leather off the skins, the meat is very good.

00:17:12.000 Dudley hunts them, he bow hunts them.

00:17:14.000 Yeah.

00:17:14.000 Every year, he goes to Orlando, outside of Orlando.

00:17:17.000 I'd like to.

00:17:18.000 It'd be pretty cool.

00:17:18.000 Yeah, it'd be pretty cool.

00:17:19.000 Well, they taste good, too.

00:17:21.000 And it's a conservation thing, too, because it's like you really do need to control their populations.

00:17:26.000 Yeah, Australia needs to get to that point. 0.87

00:17:28.000 What's happening now is they're pushing into domestic waters, you know, like Darwin, the cities, like, build around, you know, a big river.

00:17:44.000 Oh, I've seen that.

00:17:49.000 I've seen that.

00:18:04.000 Imagine seeing that.

00:18:05.000 How creepy is that?

00:18:06.000 It was swimming in a river system.

00:18:09.000 It seems like some sort of aqueduct or something like that.

00:18:12.000 Yeah.

00:18:14.000 Crazy. 0.99

00:18:14.000 Big dog, too. 0.99

00:18:16.000 Everyone talks about if there's Bigfoot.

00:18:20.000 Oh, this is the one.

00:18:21.000 That's it.

00:18:22.000 Oh, Jesus Christ.

00:18:23.000 Look at the collar on it.

00:18:25.000 God, that thing is so big.

00:18:27.000 Like Fluffy.

00:18:28.000 That is a monster.

00:18:29.000 Just straight up...

00:18:31.000 I mean, what are they like?

00:18:32.000 I think they're more than 30 million years old.

00:18:35.000 I don't think they've changed in 30 plus million years.

00:18:39.000 I think they just look at everything as potentially food.

00:18:43.000 And that's where the risk is.

00:18:45.000 And it's the same with a big grizzly bear.

00:18:48.000 They just look at everything as either danger, so they feel threatened and want to attack it, or it's food.

00:18:54.000 Have you ever seen Jim Shockey's show?

00:18:57.000 You know that show Uncharted that he does?

00:18:59.000 Yep, I have, yep.

00:19:00.000 Jim Shockey's Uncharted, one of the ones, he went to Africa, and I think it was the Congo?

00:19:05.000 I think it was the Congo River.

00:19:07.000 Is that the Congo River?

00:19:09.000 I don't know.

00:19:10.000 Anyway, it was a river.

00:19:12.000 And this native population that lived there, these villagers, they lived right on the riverbanks.

00:19:18.000 And they were just getting taken left and right by crocodiles.

00:19:20.000 Everyone in the village had like an arm missing or a chunk cut out of their head.

00:19:26.000 Is this it right here?

00:19:27.000 Jim Chockey?

00:19:28.000 Mozambique.

00:19:29.000 There we go.

00:19:29.000 Thank you.

00:19:31.000 Jim Shockey is just amazing.

00:19:32.000 But these things, look at what they got here.

00:19:34.000 One of them was feasting on some sort of an animal.

00:19:37.000 Look at these guys.

00:19:38.000 They all have like a stump where their arm is and there's Jim.

00:19:42.000 And so they wanted to bring in professional hunters to try to help control the population because they were actively targeting the people that live there.

00:19:51.000 And these people, I mean, they live in a very small, very primitive village, and all they have is the water.

00:19:57.000 I mean, that's where they're getting their water from. 0.99

00:19:59.000 Which, turn it off, is about to fucking make the kill shot. 0.99

00:20:02.000 YouTube glitch was fucking with me. 0.99

00:20:04.000 Oh, really? 0.98

00:20:04.000 It kept flashing. 0.98

00:20:05.000 What is that?

00:20:06.000 I needed to refresh it.

00:20:07.000 It was just a thing that happens on YouTube from time to time.

00:20:09.000 On the computer or normal?

00:20:11.000 Just normal?

00:20:12.000 Yeah, just the browser.

00:20:13.000 But it's just the poor people that live there.

00:20:16.000 I mean, you just got to imagine if this is your only place.

00:20:18.000 These people aren't traveling.

00:20:20.000 They don't have cars.

00:20:21.000 They're not flying anywhere.

00:20:22.000 This is where they live.

00:20:23.000 They have to build these sort of fences around these little tiny bays.

00:20:30.000 They build these small makeshift fences to try to protect themselves from the crocodiles when they clean their food or Yeah.

00:20:39.000 Gather water, wash their clothes.

00:20:40.000 Who wants that risk every day? 1.00

00:20:42.000 Oh, fuck, man. 1.00

00:20:43.000 This is one of the reasons why I do these radical hunts, because it makes you realize how good we've got it, right? 1.00

00:20:48.000 Yeah.

00:20:48.000 Like, we just go to the tap and turn the tap on, we get water.

00:20:52.000 Or if you want a shower or a bath, it's in the comfort of your own house.

00:20:55.000 These people are just trying to get water to drink, and they could get snatched, or people have been snatched. 0.77

00:20:59.000 Isn't that ridiculous? 0.58

00:21:00.000 Oh, yeah. 0.97

00:21:01.000 And that's their life, and there's no other life they know.

00:21:03.000 Yeah.

00:21:03.000 Their ancestors have been there.

00:21:05.000 Their grandparents have been there.

00:21:07.000 Their fathers have been there.

00:21:08.000 Their mothers and now them.

00:21:09.000 Yeah.

00:21:09.000 And this is life.

00:21:10.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:21:11.000 That's why anytime someone complains about Australia or living in the US or whatever, it's like, dude, fucking take a look at what you've got. 0.97

00:21:20.000 So easy. 0.98

00:21:21.000 Isn't it crazy?

00:21:22.000 It's so crazy.

00:21:22.000 I mean, I was watching your Instagram feed when you were taking water out of this buffalo wallow and throwing it through a filter.

00:21:28.000 Yeah.

00:21:28.000 And put it in.

00:21:29.000 I was a bit concerned about that.

00:21:33.000 Like, when I looked into the filter, it just looked like a...

00:21:36.000 See if you can find that video.

00:21:36.000 Is that on your Instagram?

00:21:37.000 It might be still live on the Instagram.

00:21:40.000 Oh, no, it's on normal.

00:21:41.000 It's on normal Instagram.

00:21:42.000 Oh, it's on normal Instagram.

00:21:43.000 Go to...

00:21:44.000 That way we can see it.

00:21:45.000 So, to starters, I moved probably 200 buffalo off that waterhole and, like, a couple of mobs of pigs that were all, like, they go right out into the water and try and cool off.

00:21:54.000 There's at least one big saltwater crocodile in there as well.

00:21:57.000 But I'm walking out there with that bag to collect water.

00:22:00.000 Are you by yourself?

00:22:01.000 Yeah, I'm by myself here, yeah.

00:22:02.000 Jesus Christ.

00:22:04.000 Sleeping in a little cloth house?

00:22:05.000 Yeah, there was other guys back in camp, but I was just out on the hunt by myself.

00:22:09.000 Is that it?

00:22:10.000 Is this it?

00:22:10.000 This was pretty new.

00:22:11.000 I don't know if it was older, right?

00:22:12.000 Yes!

00:22:13.000 I think it's it.

00:22:15.000 Yeah, here at home.

00:22:17.000 Barefoot, walking up to the water with this...

00:22:24.000 There's a big buffalo turd sitting right there.

00:22:28.000 That's all through the water.

00:22:30.000 Do you not drink and then dehydrate and die out there?

00:22:36.000 But you're drinking turd water.

00:22:37.000 Yeah, but that's why I hope the filter works.

00:22:40.000 Now, how do these filters work?

00:22:42.000 How does that...

00:22:42.000 Well, they claim to filter out 99.99999% of all the germs.

00:22:48.000 It's that.00001 that's going to fuck you up, though.

00:22:52.000 Yeah, or something on the edge of the bag that runs down, you know, that's probably going to get you, but... 0.97

00:22:58.000 How often do you get beaver fever when you do this?

00:23:01.000 I've never been sick from drinking water out in the bush or eating any of the meat or anything like that.

00:23:07.000 Everybody I've ever talked to that spends time in the bush gets sick.

00:23:11.000 How have you not gotten sick?

00:23:12.000 I don't know.

00:23:12.000 Same with my buddy Andrew Uckles and he seems like a pretty hardy dude.

00:23:16.000 And he's like, oh, so have you had this?

00:23:18.000 And I'm like, nah.

00:23:19.000 Have you had this?

00:23:19.000 I'm like, nah.

00:23:20.000 Have you had this?

00:23:20.000 I'm like, nah.

00:23:21.000 He's like, I nearly died from this.

00:23:22.000 I'm like, what?

00:23:23.000 I've had none of those.

00:23:25.000 And I've drank, there was one time I was so desperate for water, this is going back to when I was like 18 or 19. Actually looks alright.

00:23:33.000 It looks pretty good.

00:23:34.000 Just the taste after filtering the water tastes...

00:23:37.000 Like piss?

00:23:38.000 Like piss.

00:23:39.000 And I'm like, shouldn't the filter...

00:23:41.000 Take the taste out?

00:23:42.000 Yeah, shouldn't it?

00:23:43.000 Because the taste is obviously from something.

00:23:45.000 But it's still piss.

00:23:46.000 It's still piss.

00:23:48.000 But it's probably actually really good for you.

00:23:50.000 Drinking piss is good for you?

00:23:51.000 Drinking that water piss is good for you. 0.86

00:23:53.000 I see you've got a Mountain Ops bottle.

00:23:55.000 Do you put some flavoring in there?

00:23:56.000 Yeah, just to mask it a bit.

00:23:58.000 I think I'd run out at this point.

00:24:00.000 That was like a 27-kilometer hike that day.

00:24:04.000 So you just deal with the taste?

00:24:06.000 You just deal with it.

00:24:07.000 And you know what?

00:24:08.000 You're that thirsty that it doesn't nearly bother you at the time.

00:24:11.000 Well, when you did that epic hunt up here in Colorado, you started in Colorado, right?

00:24:17.000 And then you went to Idaho?

00:24:19.000 Idaho, but I didn't actually hunt Idaho.

00:24:21.000 I crossed through Idaho into the back of Montana, trying to find a spot with limited hunters and more elk.

00:24:27.000 And we were all following you on Instagram story.

00:24:30.000 That was a tough hunt.

00:24:32.000 There was heaps that I left out of it.

00:24:33.000 And I'm like, I'll just save this for Joe.

00:24:36.000 Like what?

00:24:37.000 Well, I got really sick.

00:24:38.000 Like, there was just liquid coming out of frigging every spot I could.

00:24:44.000 Did you think you got sick from water or something?

00:24:46.000 I don't want to admit that.

00:24:47.000 Yeah, you just said you never got anything.

00:24:49.000 Because a couple of people wrote me messages and like, that's a good way to get sick.

00:24:53.000 And I'm like, I've done this heaps.

00:24:54.000 It's fine.

00:24:55.000 What did you do?

00:24:56.000 You drank right out of the ground?

00:24:57.000 I actually ate some jerky that had been...

00:25:00.000 I left it in the tent and the tent got really hot.

00:25:03.000 Like the start of the hunt, the heat was soaring, you know?

00:25:06.000 And the jerky went a bit sweaty and that in the bag.

00:25:09.000 But I was starving, so I'm like, I'm just going to eat it.

00:25:12.000 And then it was nearly like two hours later that I was like, yeah, I don't feel real good.

00:25:17.000 Yeah.

00:25:17.000 But I've never been tent-bound in my life and I'm just like, nah, just keep hunting, don't worry about it.

00:25:24.000 This is bad, I probably shouldn't say it, but I literally hunt for five minutes and have to pull my strides down, you know, and then go number twos and then walk for another five minutes and be like, oh, fuck. 0.99

00:25:37.000 So you just shake your brains out for a couple days? 0.99

00:25:39.000 How many days?

00:25:40.000 Two days.

00:25:41.000 I think that's...

00:25:42.000 Because I lost 17 kilos.

00:25:44.000 I reckon I lost 10 of them in them couple of days.

00:25:46.000 Wow.

00:25:47.000 What's that in pounds?

00:25:48.000 17 kilos.

00:25:49.000 That's a lot of pounds.

00:25:50.000 35-ish.

00:25:51.000 You lost that much weight?

00:25:52.000 Yeah.

00:25:53.000 My pants were falling off me, dude.

00:25:54.000 Wow.

00:25:55.000 Like, literally falling off me from being tired of my waist to falling off me.

00:25:58.000 So this is because you were hiking every day?

00:26:00.000 Yeah, just hiking every day.

00:26:02.000 I hiked over 400 miles all up.

00:26:04.000 414 miles, I think it was, all up.

00:26:06.000 22 days.

00:26:07.000 That's so crazy.

00:26:08.000 Limited food.

00:26:09.000 And, you know, maybe that bad jerky helped as well.

00:26:15.000 But I'm like, so I'm going to start a weight loss program.

00:26:18.000 Burt Kreischer, my friend Burt, that I did yoga with today, he's obsessed with you.

00:26:22.000 Is he?

00:26:22.000 He's like, Adam Cringe, he's going to be on the podcast today.

00:26:24.000 I heard him, well, Kim sent me a link and she's like, you should listen to this podcast and I listened to it and he's like, I feel like I could be friends with that dude.

00:26:33.000 And I'm like, yeah, we can be friends. 1.00

00:26:34.000 Then he put frigging on Instagram, some dude trying to milk his nipples. 1.00

00:26:38.000 Oh yeah. 1.00

00:26:39.000 We can't be fucking friends. 0.99

00:26:40.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:26:42.000 But he's won me back over because he's done that hilarious video of you dancing the day.

00:26:47.000 I was freaking crying.

00:26:49.000 I was crying.

00:26:50.000 Yeah, we did our 13th.

00:26:52.000 He and I did our 13th yoga class today and Ari and Tom are on number 14. Two more to go for me, one for those two guys.

00:26:58.000 That's awesome.

00:26:59.000 We're at the home stretch.

00:26:59.000 That's a good effort.

00:27:00.000 Yeah, nothing compared to 28 days in the bush.

00:27:03.000 Yeah, it was good.

00:27:04.000 I loved it.

00:27:05.000 I missed a lot of things like it makes you realize, you know, like I said, how lucky we are just to have a life.

00:27:11.000 And I've always been the person that doesn't take anything for granted anyway, but it's just that, you know, it really rings home, you know, the simple things.

00:27:20.000 So you just...

00:27:21.000 Just went out there?

00:27:22.000 Like, you didn't necessarily have a good area that had been scouted out?

00:27:25.000 No, I definitely didn't have a good area, but met a real nice young dude.

00:27:30.000 He actually messaged me through Instagram, and at the time I could hardly get to any messages.

00:27:34.000 But anyway, it was one that I read, and he's like, look, while you're in this unit, he picked what unit I was in.

00:27:39.000 He's like, come over to this area, I've hunted it for pretty much my whole life, and there's a few good bulls there.

00:27:45.000 The first day, or the second day that I was in there, I seen three really good bulls.

00:27:50.000 And that's what kept me there, because I kept thinking I'm going to find them bulls again, and they just cleared off.

00:27:54.000 They just moved out of the area. 0.93

00:27:57.000 The whole idea of hunting Colorado was, because last year I had a couple of issues with grizzlies in Montana, and doing it solo, I'm like, you're a dickhead if you do that again, because... 0.72

00:28:07.000 You've got three young kids and a beautiful wife.

00:28:10.000 It's a big risk to take.

00:28:12.000 I take risks, but that's one that's out of my control, a grizzly going.

00:28:16.000 I kept trying to avoid that area.

00:28:19.000 When I wasn't finding bulls, I ended up moving out of Colorado.

00:28:23.000 Went to Idaho and walked into the back of Montana, where there's supposed to be less grizzlies, and that's where I got charged by a grizzly.

00:28:29.000 There's a lot of grizzlies in Montana.

00:28:31.000 Man, it's crazy.

00:28:33.000 They're out of control, too. 0.99

00:28:34.000 They're just friggin' like the crocs on dry land. 0.98

00:28:36.000 You saw grizzlies in Colorado, though. 0.97

00:28:38.000 I did, yeah.

00:28:39.000 Now, this is a disputed thing.

00:28:41.000 I've copped so much flack over that.

00:28:43.000 You're positive that these were grizzlies?

00:28:45.000 100%.

00:28:45.000 There's black bear in the same area, and I nearly could do the comparison because there was a black bear there and there was a grizzly there.

00:28:53.000 I'd seen the black bear first, and you'll see the video.

00:28:57.000 I'm like, oh, there's a black bear over there.

00:28:58.000 That's pretty cool.

00:28:59.000 She's got cubs, so I just want to try and avoid her.

00:29:02.000 Then, looking at this other bear, and I've seen grizzlies before, this thing's a completely different beast.

00:29:08.000 There's no mistake in the two.

00:29:09.000 It's not like, ah, that's just a young-looking grizzly, so now it looks like a big black bear.

00:29:17.000 No, it's a friggin' massive grizzly, and compare it to a massive black bear, there's still a massive height difference in everything.

00:29:25.000 The big raked-up shoulders, the big square hairs. 0.52

00:29:27.000 Did you have a spotting scope with you?

00:29:29.000 No, I didn't.

00:29:29.000 I just had my binoculars.

00:29:31.000 And 10-42s? 0.90

00:29:33.000 10x42 is the Mavens, yep.

00:29:35.000 The same ones you all got on there.

00:29:36.000 You got a good look at it?

00:29:38.000 Oh, awesome look. 0.99

00:29:39.000 But at that point, I just figured, oh shit, there is grizzlies in Colorado. 0.97

00:29:44.000 Just a couple of people that told me, oh, you won't see grizzlies there, just didn't know the area right. 0.99

00:29:48.000 So I didn't think much of it.

00:29:50.000 So I did the little film through the binos and stuff like that.

00:29:53.000 There's a big mama grizzly up there.

00:29:54.000 She's got cubs. 1.00

00:29:55.000 I definitely want to stay away from her. 0.99

00:29:58.000 Then I wanted to haul my ass out of that, because that's in a basin. 1.00

00:30:02.000 I wanted to haul my ass out of that basin and not sleep in that basin for the night. 0.99

00:30:06.000 So I moved on pretty quick, got to the top of the ridge, looked at her again. 0.99

00:30:09.000 She was feeding along.

00:30:10.000 I'm like, cool.

00:30:12.000 Then slept on the other side of the ridge, then come back through there in the morning, spotted her again in the morning, kept walking out of there.

00:30:20.000 Then I got reception again, and then I had a heap of messages.

00:30:23.000 There's not supposed to be any grizzlies in Colorado. 1.00

00:30:25.000 I'm like, fuck. 0.99

00:30:26.000 I just blew it off as in, oh, there is grizzlies here. 1.00

00:30:30.000 Shit, these guys got it wrong. 0.99

00:30:31.000 Not that it's a massive big deal and that there's not supposed to be at all. 0.99

00:30:35.000 No one wants to admit that they are there.

00:30:38.000 Is it that no one wants to admit it, or is it you are deep into the backcountry?

00:30:42.000 Yeah, that as well.

00:30:44.000 There's a limited amount of people, though.

00:30:45.000 There's been multiple sightings in the area.

00:30:48.000 I don't want to say the area, because next year I'm going to go back and document it with a decent camera and everything like that.

00:30:53.000 To try to get some video of the bears, too?

00:30:56.000 Yeah, try and get some real good evidence and stuff like that. 1.00

00:30:58.000 So I haven't really spoken about it a lot since then, because I just got pounded with messages going, there's no grizzlies in Colorado, you idiot. 0.99

00:31:06.000 Well, don't you want to tell wildlife biologists or someone? 0.95

00:31:09.000 Apparently they already know and they don't want to admit it because of the whole Protected Species Act and everything like that.

00:31:15.000 Well, what does that mean, though?

00:31:16.000 Why wouldn't they want to admit that there's bears there? 0.99

00:31:19.000 I think it might be a pain in the ass. 0.99

00:31:20.000 I don't know. 0.99

00:31:21.000 I don't understand.

00:31:22.000 But I'm keen to get to the bottom of it.

00:31:24.000 You know what sort of person I am.

00:31:25.000 I ain't giving up on this.

00:31:27.000 Next year I'm hiking back in there again.

00:31:30.000 And I'm going to try and get some good evidence.

00:31:33.000 But it seems to me that they would want...

00:31:35.000 I don't understand why they would want to deny the existence.

00:31:38.000 No, neither do I, but a lot of people are saying there's actually...

00:31:41.000 I think there's a website where it takes in people's sightings and stuff like that.

00:31:48.000 And all the sightings and the last grizzlies known in Colorado are all in this mountain range.

00:31:53.000 That probably gives a lot of it away.

00:31:55.000 Was it San Jose?

00:31:56.000 San Jose Mountain Range?

00:31:57.000 It is, yeah.

00:31:57.000 Oh, it's out there now.

00:31:59.000 Oh, sorry.

00:31:59.000 No, it's massive.

00:32:01.000 It's a huge mountain range.

00:32:02.000 I'm not too worried.

00:32:03.000 All the last sightings were there.

00:32:05.000 I think the last sightings were in the 80s, maybe the early 90s.

00:32:09.000 There was grizzlies there.

00:32:11.000 And when you look at a map and you look at the range, there'd be nothing for them to be there still.

00:32:15.000 Right.

00:32:15.000 Or new ones walk in there.

00:32:18.000 There's grizzlies in Wyoming, right?

00:32:19.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:32:20.000 And that's connected.

00:32:21.000 Yeah.

00:32:21.000 So of course they're probably there.

00:32:22.000 Why do they think they're not there?

00:32:23.000 I don't know.

00:32:24.000 You get up there and you have a look at this mountain range and it's just 100% grizzly country.

00:32:29.000 Oh, look at that.

00:32:30.000 That one there, I'm not...

00:32:31.000 The last credible sighting occurred in 2006 near an independent pass.

00:32:34.000 Officials investigated but found nothing.

00:32:36.000 The 1979 bear had cubs that are likely dead.

00:32:40.000 Is that a bear right there that they got on camera?

00:32:43.000 That's obviously a grizzly.

00:32:45.000 Yeah, you could tell the difference.

00:32:46.000 I saw one in Alberta.

00:32:47.000 I've only seen one.

00:32:48.000 See that grizzly there, if that is a grizzly?

00:32:50.000 Oh, yeah.

00:32:50.000 This thing that I've seen towers over that.

00:32:53.000 Like, we're talking about a fully mature mother grizzly bear.

00:32:57.000 So you're talking about like a 10-foot bear?

00:32:58.000 Yeah, just a huge bear.

00:33:00.000 Like, there's no mistake in it.

00:33:03.000 This thing would, when she was walking, you could see, like, she's out here like this, you know, like, she had, when they get big and mature, you'll see they've got like a silverback on them, like a gorilla, you know, they've got this silverback on them, like this, it's like the last part of the hair goes silver.

00:33:18.000 She's that, she's the right colour, the right shape, the right size and everything, so.

00:33:22.000 Hmm, so you only saw her and her cubs or you saw more?

00:33:25.000 Her and her cubs.

00:33:26.000 And then the other one, there's a photo of another one.

00:33:28.000 That's just a cinnamon black bear.

00:33:30.000 And I think a few people got confused.

00:33:32.000 And that's probably on my end from...

00:33:34.000 I just posted a story about a grizzly and then I had these other bear shots.

00:33:38.000 That's a grizzly.

00:33:38.000 From 2011, it says, actually.

00:33:41.000 Steamboat Springs.

00:33:42.000 Yeah.

00:33:42.000 Okay.

00:33:43.000 That's Colorado.

00:33:44.000 Right?

00:33:45.000 I nearly look at that as a cinnamon phase black bear.

00:33:48.000 I might be wrong.

00:33:50.000 Can you make that larger, Jamie?

00:33:52.000 It's as big as it gets.

00:33:54.000 Hmm.

00:33:55.000 That might be a grizzly.

00:33:56.000 Yeah, it could be.

00:33:57.000 But yeah, you might be right, though.

00:33:59.000 That could be a color-faced brown bear.

00:34:01.000 Or a black bear, rather.

00:34:02.000 It could be.

00:34:03.000 Just looking at...

00:34:04.000 If it's a younger grizzly, then maybe not. 0.98

00:34:06.000 But, you know, she just had this friggin' massive head, dude. 1.00

00:34:10.000 Like, flared out like this, you know. 0.98

00:34:13.000 The big ridge on the back and...

00:34:15.000 It'd be interesting if Adam Greentree was the one who proved that there was...

00:34:18.000 From Australia.

00:34:19.000 Yeah, grizzly bears in Colorado.

00:34:21.000 But the point is, there's very few people that are going deep into these mountain ranges.

00:34:26.000 How far back were you from the trailhead?

00:34:28.000 Well, so I rode a really rough trailhead on a mountain bike for so far.

00:34:33.000 Then that trail pretty much disappeared out to nothing.

00:34:37.000 Then I hiked a full...

00:34:40.000 Must have been seven hours because she was just before sundown.

00:34:45.000 So it would have been a good seven hours in the back then.

00:34:48.000 Because there was no elk, that's going non-stop.

00:34:51.000 If you watch the video, I run a lot of it because it was just what I call dead country.

00:34:55.000 There was not really good looking hunting country.

00:34:58.000 So you'll see me sort of trotting along most of it.

00:35:01.000 It was a long way back.

00:35:03.000 There was no human footprints up there.

00:35:05.000 There was nothing like that.

00:35:07.000 Ten miles?

00:35:07.000 Fifteen miles?

00:35:09.000 Probably, yeah, 16 miles, I think it was.

00:35:12.000 So the odds of people going back there on a regular basis are probably pretty slim.

00:35:16.000 Very slim, yeah.

00:35:17.000 So they probably just don't know.

00:35:19.000 No, that's right, yeah.

00:35:20.000 That's one of the issues that apparently they're dealing with in BC. You know, in BC, when you talk to the people that live there versus the people that are...

00:35:30.000 You know how BC has banned grizzly hunting?

00:35:32.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:35:33.000 The people that live in BC are terrified of that now.

00:35:36.000 Yeah, yeah. 0.99

00:35:36.000 Because they're like, we have to control these goddamn things. 0.99

00:35:38.000 Like, what they say, the people that I know that live up there, they say the wildlife biologists are rarely here. 0.99

00:35:44.000 Yeah.

00:35:44.000 Like, they need, and the hunters, the people that live up there, the outfitters, it's like, you need to take, like, some sort of a census from us.

00:35:52.000 They're the people on the ground.

00:35:54.000 Yeah, that's right, yeah.

00:35:55.000 And the way they describe it is like there was a Gritty Bowman did a podcast about this with one of the guys that lives up there That's a an outfitter and he was saying we encounter them all the time and they're hyper aggressive Yeah, like you you're talking about people these biologists that are rarely there There's not like any like really involved intricate census that they're doing where they're you know really in-depth Accounting of all the bears.

00:36:19.000 He's like, you've got to get information from the people that live there.

00:36:22.000 And if you do, they're going to tell you.

00:36:23.000 There's a lot of them.

00:36:24.000 Yeah.

00:36:25.000 Well, they're not smart enough to control themselves, right?

00:36:28.000 Because a lot of these people just want to sit back and just let these animals do what they want to do.

00:36:32.000 That's the idea they want to do in BC. They think that what they can do is...

00:36:37.000 I mean, this is speculation, but they think that what they can do is let the...

00:36:44.000 People control the predators.

00:36:46.000 They think, let the predators eat all the game that they can, and then when they don't have enough food, their populations are naturally going to diminish.

00:36:55.000 I like the idea, but that ain't going to work.

00:36:58.000 Well, it can happen, but it could take 50, 60 years.

00:37:01.000 And the problem is, along that, you're going to get a lot of human deaths, you're going to get a lot of pets, you're going to get a lot of animals that are going to invade into farmlands.

00:37:09.000 It just seems to me that that's not a wise way to handle it.

00:37:12.000 No, definitely not.

00:37:13.000 And it's also they're gonna have to pay money to kill problem bears instead of making money. 0.83

00:37:20.000 But they don't like, look, this whole Cecil the lion thing, I think fucked a lot of people up.

00:37:25.000 You know, people, the idea of some evil person just going over there and shooting some beloved animal, that became the narrative.

00:37:31.000 And everybody sort of has this idea in their head that this is what bear hunting is.

00:37:36.000 It's the same sort of thing, and we don't want that in BC. It really is something that needs to be discussed on both sides.

00:37:44.000 And I think both sides have points when it comes to, like, quote-unquote trophy hunting, you know?

00:37:49.000 Yeah, I'm definitely not for one or the other.

00:37:52.000 It's not like we want to wipe them off the face of the planet.

00:37:54.000 We just want to see a healthy population.

00:37:57.000 And the people that live around there, a lot of them depend on moose meat and deer meat.

00:38:02.000 And these bear are going to decimate the populations.

00:38:04.000 If they don't control the populations of bear, they will decimate...

00:38:07.000 Something else has got to change.

00:38:09.000 Yeah, they're going to decimate the game population for sure.

00:38:12.000 I actually think the areas that I hunt in Montana aren't overpopulated with grizzlies from what I've seen.

00:38:18.000 They're just populated.

00:38:19.000 They're just populated.

00:38:21.000 So the place that I end up going into in Montana isn't my usual spot and there wasn't supposed to be as many grizzlies.

00:38:29.000 You would have seen the video where I walk over the rise and then all of a sudden we locked eyes at the same time and then in a split second she just comes straight at me.

00:38:39.000 And I'll tell the story because heaps of people keep asking, but I'm one of these people that I practice with whatever I'm shooting with.

00:38:48.000 Remember when the 3D leafy suits came out?

00:38:52.000 It was like a camouflage suit and it had like 3D leaves on it hanging off it.

00:38:57.000 And I got laughed at because I went to the archery range and shot in it.

00:39:01.000 And the first time I shot in it, the string of the bow hit the leaves and my shot was off.

00:39:06.000 Yeah, it was like a ghillie suit?

00:39:07.000 Yeah, ghillie suit.

00:39:08.000 Like just practice with whatever you're using.

00:39:11.000 So my buddy's a sheriff.

00:39:14.000 In Idaho, he's going to lend me a handgun.

00:39:17.000 So he lends me a handgun.

00:39:18.000 I'm like, dude, I've never even shot a handgun.

00:39:20.000 You just can't get them in Australia like that.

00:39:21.000 So I want to practice.

00:39:22.000 We went out and practiced.

00:39:24.000 And we practiced with a cheaper bullet.

00:39:28.000 And it was like a solid bullet.

00:39:31.000 And it was awesome.

00:39:31.000 I picked it up straight away and there was no dramas.

00:39:33.000 I was a good shot with it.

00:39:35.000 Just trying to do a rush shot, thinking if a bear ever gets you, it's going to be in a rush.

00:39:39.000 It's not like these, you know, pull the gun out and have a heap of time.

00:39:43.000 So I was practicing shooting with one hand and everything like that.

00:39:46.000 Anyway, when it come to going on the hunt, he gave me some expensive bullets and they were a hollow point with like a real flat front on it.

00:39:54.000 So we never shot those bullets.

00:39:56.000 Anyway, this grizzly charged.

00:39:57.000 I pulled the gun out.

00:39:58.000 She stopped at 20 metres the first time.

00:40:01.000 I stayed stationary.

00:40:03.000 I didn't want to do any radical movements, but I just yelled at her. 1.00

00:40:06.000 She stopped at 20 metres.

00:40:07.000 She turned back and went to a cub. 1.00

00:40:09.000 And at this point, a cub's just at the base of the tree.

00:40:12.000 She got there.

00:40:13.000 As soon as she seen that the cub was all right, she'd just come straight back at me again like... 1.00

00:40:17.000 Like massive bear, like racing straight at me.

00:40:21.000 I had the handguns out now because I pulled it out the first time.

00:40:25.000 This time she come all the way to 10 metres and I... Actually, I'll leave this bit out just for now.

00:40:32.000 I'll just tell her how it went.

00:40:34.000 And I pulled the gun out.

00:40:35.000 I yelled at her again like that. 0.99

00:40:37.000 She stopped.

00:40:37.000 She did a big swipe on the ground, spun around and went straight back to the cub again.

00:40:42.000 As soon as she got back to the cub, this time she ran to the side and tried to flank me. 1.00

00:40:46.000 It freaks me out how fast these things can move.

00:40:50.000 You've seen how fast a deer can get off the mark.

00:40:52.000 I reckon a grizzly is faster than a deer.

00:40:54.000 And you think of the size of a grizzly, and it can still move at the speed of a deer or faster.

00:40:59.000 And she just disappears into this.

00:41:01.000 There's all this scrub beside me.

00:41:03.000 I can't see.

00:41:03.000 So I'm standing there just waiting.

00:41:06.000 Where's she going to pop out? 0.98

00:41:07.000 Because I thought the third time she's going to... 1.00

00:41:09.000 She ain't fucking around. 1.00

00:41:10.000 She's going to try and kill me the third time. 1.00

00:41:12.000 Right. 0.96

00:41:13.000 Anyway, she never showed up.

00:41:14.000 And I stayed there for a little while.

00:41:16.000 I'm like, just start backing up.

00:41:17.000 And that's when I've got the camera out.

00:41:20.000 Because the other thing I'm fearful of is shooting one and not being able to justify it.

00:41:25.000 Right.

00:41:25.000 Because people go to jail or get massive fines.

00:41:27.000 So I'm like, I want to document this third time that she's coming.

00:41:31.000 I'm probably going to pull the trigger.

00:41:32.000 I want to document it.

00:41:33.000 Anyway, I back out.

00:41:35.000 She sort of stalks along a little bit, like, watching me and stuff like that.

00:41:39.000 Then she disappears and I walk away.

00:41:41.000 And then I realise the gun's jammed.

00:41:44.000 The gun's been jammed that whole time.

00:41:46.000 And I was like... 1.00

00:41:48.000 So if she did come for me, like, truly come for me, I was fucked. 0.99

00:41:52.000 Like, there was no doubt about that. 0.99

00:41:52.000 How was it jammed? 0.99

00:41:53.000 What was going on?

00:41:54.000 Those hollow points with the flat face on them wouldn't load up into the chamber of the gun.

00:41:58.000 They hit on the throat of the revolver and won't go up in there.

00:42:02.000 So you never would have gotten off a shot?

00:42:04.000 I never would have gotten off a shot.

00:42:06.000 Oh, Jesus. 0.99

00:42:07.000 And then I was thinking, the time that she'd come to 10 metres, because I thought she was going to jump me at when she'd come that time, and I was like, fuck, I'm surprised the gun didn't go off, because I'm sure I had the finger on the trigger. 0.95

00:42:17.000 Like, I just remember thinking, wait, and it happened that fast, and I reckon that second time she'd come at me, when she was about the 12 or 11 metre mark, or even when she'd just come past the original mark that she stopped at, 20 metres, I reckon I'd pulled the trigger and it didn't go off.

00:42:33.000 And I kept thinking, like, there's a slide lock on the gun, and I kept thinking that was jammed up, and it wasn't at all.

00:42:38.000 So those bullets just didn't fit in that gun?

00:42:40.000 They didn't fit in there.

00:42:41.000 So you never practiced with them at all?

00:42:42.000 So the entire time you were unarmed?

00:42:44.000 Yep, the entire time I was unarmed.

00:42:46.000 I bought bear spray from Cabela's, right? 0.98

00:42:50.000 This I mean, it was like the world was fucking out to get me. 0.80

00:42:53.000 I bought bear spray from Cabela's, and it's the only item the lady didn't put in the bag. 0.63

00:42:57.000 And I got it there, and I unpacked the bags, and I'm like, where's the bear spray? 0.99

00:43:00.000 Fuck, I don't even have the bear spray. 0.99

00:43:03.000 Mate, so I was either going to, when she was on me, if I even had this chance, I was either going to pull an arrow out of the bow and just try and stab her or, I don't know, or do you lay dead and cop it or what? 1.00

00:43:13.000 They say with a female grizzly you just try to lay dead because they're just trying to eliminate a threat to their cubs. 0.62

00:43:19.000 I feel like it'd be really hard to lay dead when something's scratching you up.

00:43:23.000 Yeah.

00:43:23.000 I feel like it'd just be instinct to try and go back at it, you know?

00:43:27.000 Oh, well, they're so goddamn powerful. 0.77

00:43:28.000 So that happened, and then I'm like, you know what? 0.97

00:43:30.000 I've got to hike out of there anyway.

00:43:32.000 I'm unarmed.

00:43:33.000 So I've got to hike out of there.

00:43:34.000 I've got to get bullets from somewhere. 0.98

00:43:36.000 I might as well go back to the fucking bad grizzly spot, which at least I know there's elk there, but I've been trying to not do it. 0.99

00:43:43.000 What caliber gun is this? 0.99

00:43:45.000 .45.

00:43:46.000 Okay, so it's a good gun.

00:43:48.000 Yeah, but the drama started way before then, because I'm like, if I'm going to do this hunt, I want to have someone with me, like a hunting buddy.

00:43:55.000 I'm not going to do that one solo anymore.

00:43:57.000 Because of the Grizzlies.

00:43:58.000 Because of the Grizzlies.

00:43:59.000 So I invited Shane Doran, our buddy Shane.

00:44:02.000 He was coming and then the tags in Montana got really hard to get so he couldn't get a tag.

00:44:07.000 Then I was going to have Under Armour film the hunt but they found out they couldn't film in a wilderness area so they couldn't be there and I'm just like, I'm just destined to go there by myself. 0.99

00:44:17.000 And it was like I already knew some shit was going to go down. 0.85

00:44:21.000 It was like everything kept pushing me in that direction. 0.98

00:44:23.000 No, go back to Montana.

00:44:24.000 You'll be right.

00:44:25.000 You're just going to encounter a grizzly.

00:44:26.000 That's it.

00:44:28.000 Put this thing in front of your face.

00:44:29.000 Don't put it by your neck. 0.91

00:44:30.000 There you go.

00:44:30.000 Hello.

00:44:31.000 Much better.

00:44:32.000 There you go.

00:44:32.000 I think I might have been like this when I started the show and now I've just come back up.

00:44:37.000 I think you're freaking out.

00:44:38.000 That's what's going on.

00:44:38.000 I think I'm trying to get tall because I'm talking about grizzlies and trying to look big.

00:44:44.000 I'm fucking getting goosebumps just hearing you talk. 0.98

00:44:46.000 I'm getting nervous. 0.99

00:44:47.000 I watched a video probably a week ago and it was just not of an attack or anything.

00:44:52.000 It was just of a big grizzly.

00:44:54.000 And I had all them feelings rush back to me.

00:44:56.000 Like, I had a full adrenaline rush and everything, dude.

00:44:59.000 Like, my body was full pumping. 0.97

00:45:01.000 And to the point I was starting to feel uncomfortable, I'm like, fucking, what's going on? 1.00

00:45:05.000 I'm like, fuck. 0.99

00:45:06.000 It was just that grizzly video and thinking about that grizzly running at me. 1.00

00:45:09.000 I could see her as clear as day, still coming at me. 1.00

00:45:12.000 I remember seeing her shoulders moving, dude, as she was just racing.

00:45:15.000 I can just remember seeing her shoulders, like, pulsating, like, and all of her hair moving and... 0.77

00:45:25.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:45:26.000 Oh, fuck that. 1.00

00:45:28.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:45:29.000 Did you, um, Rinella just released a podcast, two podcasts in a row.

00:45:33.000 They got charged by a big male grizzly on Kodiak.

00:45:37.000 They'd killed an elk, not on Kodiak, uh, a Fognak. 1.00

00:45:41.000 Yeah.

00:45:41.000 I've seen Remy's videos.

00:45:43.000 Yes.

00:45:43.000 So, yeah.

00:45:44.000 They just did a podcast, two podcasts in a row.

00:45:48.000 And they shot an elk.

00:45:51.000 And the Fognac Islands, they have Roosevelt elk, which is a very large elk, and they're the biggest Roosevelt elk.

00:45:56.000 So it's a huge animal, like 1,400-pound animal.

00:45:58.000 And it's a crazy thick brush, and they're packing this thing out.

00:46:02.000 It took forever, right?

00:46:03.000 So they shot it.

00:46:05.000 When they left some of it there, they went back to go get the elk, and a grizzly bear had obviously claimed it, and they didn't know.

00:46:13.000 And they were hanging around, eating sandwiches, they didn't have their guns out, nothing, and the bear just came running in, just charged into all of them.

00:46:21.000 One of the guys, Dirt Myth, wound up riding on the back of the bear. 0.93

00:46:27.000 It is a fucking crazy story, and they're talking about just a giant bear. 0.97

00:46:32.000 10, 11 foot grizzly bear. 0.99

00:46:35.000 You know when people are like, do you believe in Bigfoot and stuff like that? 0.99

00:46:39.000 We don't fucking have to. 0.87

00:46:40.000 There's a real live monster, but we're just used to seeing it. 0.98

00:46:44.000 We call it a grizzly bear. 1.00

00:46:46.000 It fucking can eat you. 1.00

00:46:47.000 Oh, it eats everything. 1.00

00:46:49.000 It eats everything.

00:46:49.000 They're just savage, dude.

00:46:51.000 They're so big.

00:46:52.000 I don't think people understand how big they are. 0.88

00:46:54.000 I haven't seen a big one in the U.S. in the wild, but I saw a small one in Alberta in the wild, and it scared the shit out of me.

00:47:02.000 The one that was on my elk carcass last year, and we spoke about it on last year's podcast, I remember thinking its face is bigger than my whole torso, dude.

00:47:12.000 And I'm just like... 0.95

00:47:14.000 Like, that should be mythical, but it's fucking not. 0.90

00:47:17.000 It's living here right now. 0.98

00:47:20.000 And there's states that are protecting them. 1.00

00:47:24.000 Like, holy shit. 0.98

00:47:26.000 Yeah, they want to help the populations grow. 1.00

00:47:28.000 I think your vote would change really quickly about protecting them if it fucking ate your dog or one of your kids or tried to eat you. 0.99

00:47:35.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:47:35.000 I think people, it would be very hard to get people to vote if it killed a dog. 1.00

00:47:38.000 Yeah.

00:47:39.000 Because people go, well, you know, they were here first.

00:47:42.000 Yeah.

00:47:43.000 It's when they start getting into, you know, our friends up in Alberta, John and Jen Rivet, they sent me some pictures recently of some bears that had moved into the area.

00:47:53.000 Yeah, because they've been pushed out of their good area by grizzlies, right?

00:47:56.000 Yeah, there's a lot of grizzlies.

00:47:57.000 A lot of grizzlies up there.

00:47:59.000 Apparently they're talking about having some sort of a season on them because people are encountering them on a more frequent basis.

00:48:06.000 But again, that area where they live up in Alberta is just so dense.

00:48:11.000 It's so dense.

00:48:12.000 Trying to figure out how many bears are there, where the bears are.

00:48:16.000 So that's a good system when they put that time and effort in the finding the numbers.

00:48:20.000 Like this is why the American system is the best hunting system I've ever come across.

00:48:25.000 So you do a numbers check and then you release the tags for what can be taken out of the population to keep the population healthy still.

00:48:34.000 And it's all done by wildlife bars.

00:48:36.000 Exactly, yeah.

00:48:36.000 There's a heap of revenue there.

00:48:39.000 It's an awesome system.

00:48:40.000 Well, billions of dollars a year come from hunting revenue in this country that go to wildlife preservation, that go to conservation of habitat.

00:48:49.000 Backcountry Hunters and Anglers has a great website where all this stuff is detailed.

00:48:53.000 Rocky Mountain Elf Federation does a similar thing.

00:48:56.000 They have just the detailed numbers on how much money goes into conserving these areas and even repopulating these animals into other areas.

00:49:04.000 Yeah, it's a brilliant system.

00:49:07.000 But there has to be that two sides because it can't go fully one way or fully the other.

00:49:13.000 Because if it goes fully one way and we try and frigging wipe them out, no one wants that.

00:49:17.000 So there's got to be that middle ground there where I think, what we say, the greenies fight for as well. 0.89

00:49:22.000 And then it's like, well, we can afford to shoot 200 of those grizzly bears out of the 10,000 that live there or whatever it is, crazy numbers.

00:49:32.000 Then that's the system we want.

00:49:34.000 So it's healthy populations of game every single year for generations to come.

00:49:39.000 Healthy populations of game and making sure that these giant predators don't encroach on civilization.

00:49:44.000 That's the thing, keeping them out.

00:49:46.000 Once they start wiping out all the moose and all the deer and all the elk, they're going to move towards people.

00:49:52.000 People need to understand that this is not a game.

00:49:55.000 You don't encounter them in Santa Monica, right? 1.00

00:49:58.000 So people are like, you know, you assholes, just trying to kill animals. 1.00

00:50:01.000 That's not what these people are doing. 1.00

00:50:03.000 You don't understand.

00:50:04.000 No, exactly, yeah.

00:50:05.000 Like, you could tell them.

00:50:06.000 I mean, maybe they've heard you. 0.99

00:50:09.000 Be around them and understand what the fuck this is. 1.00

00:50:11.000 This is a giant, 1,500-pound monster. 1.00

00:50:15.000 Yeah, that doesn't think, like, oh, that dude that I'm going to eat might have kids.

00:50:20.000 You know?

00:50:22.000 They're just thinking food.

00:50:24.000 I've got a hole in my stomach and I want to fill it.

00:50:27.000 The greenies would say, well that elk you killed those kids too mad. 1.00

00:50:30.000 Why aren't these greenies out there petitioning against fucking lions killing shit? 1.00

00:50:37.000 Why aren't they? 1.00

00:50:37.000 Yeah, right. 1.00

00:50:38.000 Why aren't they? 1.00

00:50:39.000 Like, lions are killing shit. 0.99

00:50:40.000 We were just talking about that. 1.00

00:50:41.000 We're just part of the food chain as well, dude.

00:50:43.000 We're part of this whole system.

00:50:44.000 Courtney DeWalter on the podcast, I was talking to her about, you know, people occasionally when they're running these trails, they're running the mountain lions.

00:50:50.000 We were talking about this lady who lives in Malibu who has an alpaca farm. 1.00

00:50:54.000 A mountain lion got into alpacas, killed 11 of them, and a goat.

00:50:58.000 Just wiped them out. 0.99

00:50:59.000 Just fucking decimated the population. 1.00

00:51:01.000 That was frill killing. 0.99

00:51:03.000 And so this lady got a depredation permit to kill the mountain lion and she got all these death threats from people. 0.99

00:51:08.000 Yeah, right.

00:51:09.000 But it's always like, do you understand that this mountain lion is killing animals too?

00:51:13.000 Too, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:51:14.000 Way more animals than this lady wants to kill. 1.00

00:51:16.000 I can't understand it.

00:51:18.000 Well, it's not logical.

00:51:19.000 It's just emotional.

00:51:20.000 And I think a big part of the problem, there's two parts of the problem.

00:51:25.000 One, a lack of real wilderness exposure, like real time in the woods, understanding what this whole ecosystem is really all about, because it's just a predator-prey ecosystem.

00:51:36.000 And when a hunter goes into that, you're really just dipping your toes into the wild world for a little bit.

00:51:41.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:51:41.000 And the other part of it is movies.

00:51:44.000 All these fucking bear movies where the bears are your friends, they talk to each other, and all these anthropomorphization movies, you know, whether it's Bambi or whether, you know... 0.98

00:51:56.000 Yeah, there's no realism in there. 0.98

00:51:57.000 Whereas if you go out into the woods and see it yourself, you know, it's a much better understanding and a much better experience for the person.

00:52:04.000 Right, but way more people get exposed to these movies where the bears talk... 0.99

00:52:08.000 And they're your buddy, then get exposed to an actual charge from a fucking mama grizzly bear like you did. 0.99

00:52:14.000 Yeah, it's crazy. 0.99

00:52:15.000 Nobody wants to kill those bears. 0.98

00:52:16.000 I mean, that's not what we're saying.

00:52:17.000 Nobody wants to wipe them out. 0.99

00:52:18.000 I didn't look at that mama grizzly and be like, I want to shoot you. 1.00

00:52:21.000 If you look at the video, you'll actually hear me going, I really don't want to shoot this bear.

00:52:25.000 Like, she's just doing what her instinct tells her.

00:52:27.000 I'm not even cranky at her.

00:52:29.000 But... 0.99

00:52:30.000 I don't want to fucking die. 0.99

00:52:31.000 Right. 1.00

00:52:32.000 That's a terrible way to die, too.

00:52:33.000 That'd be a horrible way to die.

00:52:35.000 A jaw the size of this table closing down on you.

00:52:40.000 Wouldn't be good.

00:52:42.000 Yeah.

00:52:43.000 Well, they're going to open up a season, apparently, near Yellowstone.

00:52:47.000 Yeah, okay.

00:52:47.000 Too many situations.

00:52:49.000 Yeah.

00:52:49.000 More and more bears.

00:52:50.000 Yeah, that's roughly the area that I'm near, and that's where they release a lot of the problem bears.

00:52:55.000 Oh, they do?

00:52:56.000 That's where they do, yeah.

00:52:57.000 They release problem bears there?

00:52:58.000 So I went to an area that they didn't release problem bears, because I never see a female grizzly where I usually hunt in Montana.

00:53:04.000 They're all males or all lone animals, at least, and I can't tell.

00:53:08.000 And the males are less likely to charge.

00:53:09.000 Well, it seems like it.

00:53:11.000 Yeah, it seems like the males...

00:53:12.000 Well, if a male charges you, it's to eat you. 0.98

00:53:15.000 Yeah, because I yelled at that one on my carcass last year, and he wanted to go the other way, and he did. 0.98

00:53:20.000 He ran off and friggin' disappeared.

00:53:22.000 And it's interesting, because Montana does not have a bear season. 0.84

00:53:25.000 So these are not animals like Alaska bears avoid people like the plague.

00:53:29.000 Exactly, yeah.

00:53:30.000 Because they're afraid of being shot.

00:53:32.000 Yeah, so he like ran off.

00:53:33.000 I think I only yelled out oi to him, you know, that one last year and he disappeared. 0.99

00:53:37.000 This female grizzly that was running at me, I was calling her a fucking mole and everything, mate. 1.00

00:53:42.000 A mole? 1.00

00:53:42.000 A mole. 1.00

00:53:43.000 What's a mole?

00:53:44.000 I knew that was an Australian word.

00:53:47.000 What does that mean? 1.00

00:53:48.000 Like a bitch? 1.00

00:53:49.000 So me and my buddy Andrew Ukels, I've just spent the last week with him in the Arnhem Land in the Northern Territory. 0.99

00:53:56.000 He'd come, he'd just be sitting in the vehicle driving along and it's all quiet and peaceful and then he would just come up with something weird like, you know, if you had to bring any actor back from the dead to hunt with you for a week, who would it be?

00:54:09.000 I'm like... 0.99

00:54:10.000 Fuck, I need some time to think about that. 1.00

00:54:13.000 But then I come up with one because I'm like, he's coming up with all this shit. 1.00

00:54:17.000 I'm going to come up with one. 0.96

00:54:17.000 I'm like, over this trip, we just need to come up with real Australian things, sayings that aren't getting used anymore. 0.96

00:54:24.000 And mine was like, ta-da.

00:54:26.000 Like, do you have that one?

00:54:27.000 Like, if you say bye to someone, instead of saying bye, you just say ta-da. 0.98

00:54:31.000 Oh, I'm fucking getting blank tears here. 0.94

00:54:33.000 No, ta-da is like a magician would say ta-da. 0.98

00:54:34.000 Nah, nah, it's like ta-da, like as in see you later.

00:54:37.000 No, ta-ta for now.

00:54:39.000 What about hooray?

00:54:40.000 Hooray! 0.97

00:54:41.000 No, just as in hooray, bye.

00:54:43.000 No. 1.00

00:54:44.000 Oh, fuck. 1.00

00:54:44.000 No, hooray is like victory. 1.00

00:54:45.000 Okay, well mole is like calling someone... 1.00

00:54:51.000 A bitch? 1.00

00:54:52.000 Or a skank? 1.00

00:54:53.000 A mole?

00:54:54.000 You got skank? 0.98

00:54:55.000 Yes.

00:54:56.000 Yeah.

00:54:56.000 Got a lot of skanks.

00:54:57.000 Yeah, so she's running at me. 1.00

00:54:58.000 I'm like, fucking ease up, you fucking mole, you know? 1.00

00:55:01.000 Oh. 1.00

00:55:01.000 And she's like, where the fuck is this guy from? 1.00

00:55:03.000 That's probably why she didn't eat you. 0.99

00:55:05.000 She's not even from here.

00:55:06.000 She didn't even say this, but I imagine she was thinking, I don't speak English.

00:55:09.000 She's probably like, he doesn't even know what a bear is. 0.97

00:55:11.000 This is a dummy. 1.00

00:55:12.000 He's just living around kangaroos and shit. 1.00

00:55:15.000 No, I've never heard of a mole before. 0.99

00:55:16.000 Yeah, right.

00:55:17.000 Is it Maul?

00:55:18.000 Like a Maul of America? 0.94

00:55:19.000 Maul.

00:55:19.000 M-O-L-E. Maul.

00:55:21.000 Like Molly.

00:55:22.000 I get it.

00:55:23.000 Yeah, but I think it's more of like Maul on your face.

00:55:26.000 He's brought it up.

00:55:27.000 M-O-L-L. Slang. 1.00

00:55:28.000 Slang term.

00:55:29.000 Two different...

00:55:30.000 Okay, only Australia.

00:55:31.000 Australia, New Zealand.

00:55:32.000 Oh, and the United States. 0.88

00:55:34.000 Usually a pejorative or self-deprecating for a woman of loose sexual morals. 1.00

00:55:39.000 Oh, shit. 1.00

00:55:39.000 I said bitch. 1.00

00:55:40.000 A bitch, slut, or a prostitute. 1.00

00:55:42.000 Damn, no wonder she was pissed off. 1.00

00:55:44.000 Wow. 1.00

00:55:45.000 Mall.

00:55:46.000 Mall, yeah. 0.99

00:55:47.000 That's probably like some old shit from America that we gave to you a long time ago and we abandoned it. 0.99

00:55:53.000 Then you guys picked it up. 0.99

00:55:55.000 Probably.

00:55:56.000 Probably.

00:55:57.000 So, when you went and got bullets.

00:56:00.000 So you went and got bullets for the.45.

00:56:01.000 So then I went and bought bullets, jumped straight back into Montana, but me old spot in Montana.

00:56:06.000 And then I only had three days at that point to try and...

00:56:11.000 Because, you know, I was after a bull elk.

00:56:13.000 And I'd passed up a lot of younger animals and, like, immature animals over that time.

00:56:17.000 But, um...

00:56:19.000 I went from the hot heat to got to my usual spot in Montana and just whited out with snow.

00:56:25.000 Explain that to people too.

00:56:27.000 For people that aren't hunters, it is very important if you want to consider the overall health of the herd.

00:56:31.000 You always want to shoot the older, mature animals because those are the ones that are bred and they've passed on their genetics.

00:56:37.000 And it also improves the health of the herd because then the younger males...

00:56:42.000 Who would probably get killed by the bigger males or have the potential of getting killed in combat when they clash.

00:56:48.000 That's the whole reason if people don't know why they have antlers to fight each other.

00:56:52.000 Yeah, exactly. 0.92

00:56:53.000 I think my biggest thought in that is I just want to shoot an animal that's lived its life.

00:56:59.000 You know, like, look, if I'm desperate for meat, don't get me wrong, I'll shoot a spike or a cow or whatever, but I'm not desperate for meat in that point of survival, you know, so I just feel a lot better if I shoot an animal that I'm like, it's lived its life. 0.91

00:57:14.000 Right.

00:57:14.000 You know, and then the byproduct of that is you get a bigger animal, so more meat.

00:57:19.000 Yeah.

00:57:19.000 You know, you get a set of antlers, which is, to me, a memory.

00:57:23.000 It's not like about, I don't cut the head off and just walk out of the antlers.

00:57:26.000 Of course.

00:57:29.000 For me, it's a way of respecting the animal to me.

00:57:35.000 So it's a funny thing, but yeah, just shooting a big old... 1.00

00:57:38.000 And that's why I passed a lot of younger animals.

00:57:41.000 I had opportunities.

00:57:42.000 There was one day I was right on the edge of this...

00:57:44.000 It was like a cliff, but there was a rock that went out over the cliff, like a bit of a pinnacle.

00:57:49.000 And I was actually on the pinnacle, and I had this bull straight below me.

00:57:53.000 And he was like...

00:57:53.000 I think he was 30-something metres, but because you're shooting down, it's like...

00:57:58.000 You know, the range finders say and shoot it at 16 or 17 metres.

00:58:02.000 Right.

00:58:02.000 And he was just laying there, had no idea I was there.

00:58:06.000 But just a younger bull, you could see it in his face and his body and just his antlers.

00:58:11.000 But it felt good to be there and then be like, no, I'm back out.

00:58:15.000 And then it was that afternoon, I think, that that grizzly went me. 0.99

00:58:18.000 So, you know, I had opportunities to shoot bulls, but I pretty much went 21 days without an opportunity where I'm like, this is the bull that I'm going to shoot, you know, and I'm getting into the zone.

00:58:28.000 Yeah, that's the thing that people, I think, on the outside don't understand or appreciate, is that it's not just about getting meat.

00:58:37.000 It's also about getting a mature animal, and it's also about getting a mature animal because they're way more difficult to shoot.

00:58:43.000 Exactly, yeah.

00:58:44.000 They're way smarter.

00:58:45.000 They've been through seasons.

00:58:47.000 They're just heaps more switched on.

00:58:48.000 They are a lot smarter.

00:58:51.000 It's like going into a fight.

00:58:52.000 You don't want to go into a fight with someone that's never done kickboxing.

00:58:56.000 You're the champion kickboxer. 0.98

00:58:58.000 That's ridiculous. 0.95

00:58:59.000 Where's the challenge in that? 0.94

00:59:00.000 How are you going to be better at doing what you're doing if you're just fighting the fight that you know you're always going to win?

00:59:07.000 I say it very early in that trip.

00:59:10.000 I'm happy to go home without a bull.

00:59:12.000 But I'm not happy to give up on day three or four or sit around camp and then go home without a bull. 1.00

00:59:18.000 I want to bust my ass. 1.00

00:59:20.000 You know, I want to get to the point where I say to myself, and I did it multiple times on this trip, what the fuck are you doing? 1.00

00:59:26.000 Like, give up. 0.99

00:59:27.000 This is too hard, you know?

00:59:28.000 I want to get to that point and wear myself right down because I feel like that's the most you ever grow, you know, in...

00:59:34.000 Any sort of hardship, but, you know, it's like freaking Cam Haynes running this.

00:59:39.000 Like, you know he's just going to find a longer marathon next time.

00:59:43.000 Well, that's what Courtney was saying, that they're considering a 500-mile run.

00:59:50.000 500 miles.

00:59:51.000 I can't even fathom that, dude.

00:59:53.000 Yeah, I mean, how many days would that take?

00:59:55.000 I can't even fathom going without sleep.

00:59:58.000 That's like six, seven days.

00:59:58.000 That's probably like a week.

00:59:59.000 It's probably going to be a week of running.

01:00:01.000 Yeah.

01:00:01.000 So it's just, you're always upping it, you know?

01:00:03.000 Like, I've got to pull back a little bit now.

01:00:07.000 Like, that's about the maximum that I'll do.

01:00:09.000 How many did you in 28 days?

01:00:11.000 I did 22. 22. Yeah.

01:00:12.000 But it was a lot longer without the family.

01:00:18.000 Right.

01:00:32.000 I went bass fishing.

01:00:34.000 So there was like a week and a half on that trip that probably a lot of people didn't realize that I'm without my kids and family, you know.

01:00:42.000 That's the hard bit.

01:00:43.000 I could go and live out there like a freaking hermit, but I've got family and I freaking love them and I miss them, dude.

01:00:48.000 You know what I mean? 0.99

01:00:49.000 I'm saying to Kim, I'm like, you fuck this for me, because I'm sitting on the mountain like, you know, this is, I'm in my element up there. 0.99

01:00:57.000 Like, it's out in the middle of nowhere, there's no people, there's no lights, you know, there's just wild animals running around. 1.00

01:01:02.000 And I'm sitting on the mountain, I'm like, fuck, I miss Kim. 0.93

01:01:06.000 But don't you think that that's one of the reasons why you appreciate them even more? 0.99

01:01:10.000 I mean, obviously you appreciate your family so much as it is, but...

01:01:13.000 You know, I said once to Steve Rinello, we did this crazy hunt in Prince of Wales, and it rained every day, and we were just drenched.

01:01:20.000 You're inside your tent, and the tent, like, I turned on my headlamp, and there was just water vapor everywhere in the tent.

01:01:27.000 Like, nothing ever dried out.

01:01:28.000 Your sleeping bag's wet, your clothes are wet. 1.00

01:01:30.000 Just miserable as fuck. 1.00

01:01:32.000 But when I got home, I called him up and I said, man, I have never felt this good. 0.99

01:01:37.000 I'm so happy.

01:01:38.000 The sun is out and I'm driving and I just feel amazing.

01:01:42.000 I feel like I'm on a drug.

01:01:43.000 And I called him up and I go, dude, I've never been happier.

01:01:46.000 Yeah, crazy. 0.51

01:01:47.000 The more miserable it is. 0.87

01:01:49.000 Yeah. 0.92

01:01:49.000 The better, you know? 0.92

01:01:50.000 You have to experience some difficulty and some hardship in order to appreciate the good times.

01:01:56.000 Yeah, exactly. 0.83

01:01:57.000 I feel like frigging with Kim, it's like we're newlyweds all the time. 0.93

01:02:01.000 It's probably because I'm away so much. 0.92

01:02:02.000 But every time I come home, you know, every time I'm away, I'm thinking about them flat out, you know?

01:02:07.000 I actually just renewed my vows with Kim.

01:02:10.000 15 years married, 18 years together.

01:02:14.000 Yeah, I think that there's something to that, man.

01:02:16.000 I mean, people, you know, absence makes the heart grow fonder.

01:02:19.000 It's a common expression.

01:02:20.000 I think it's totally true.

01:02:21.000 And I think that...

01:02:22.000 I don't think life is supposed to be easy.

01:02:26.000 No, it's not. 0.99

01:02:27.000 I think you're supposed to do some difficult shit. 0.99

01:02:29.000 But I think the sooner you realize that, then it does seem easy. 0.99

01:02:34.000 Like, does that make sense? 0.99

01:02:36.000 It's like the sooner you realize that life's supposed to be fucking tough, and if it's not, put yourself through some tough shit... 0.99

01:02:42.000 Then the better, dude. 0.99

01:02:44.000 Yeah.

01:02:44.000 Then it's just...

01:02:45.000 Right now I feel like I've found the recipe just to be happy as hell. 0.87

01:02:50.000 I've been saying it the last friggin' month.

01:02:52.000 Like, I don't want this to happen, but I've been saying to Kim and she sort of gets teared up. 0.99

01:02:56.000 Fucking just know I'm happy to die right now. 0.99

01:02:59.000 Like, and I really mean that. 1.00

01:03:00.000 I'm happy to fucking die right now. 1.00

01:03:01.000 I want to see my kids grow and I want to see my kids have kids and I want to spend eternity with that woman, but... 1.00

01:03:08.000 I'm fucking happy to die right now. 0.99

01:03:10.000 I'm that happy. 1.00

01:03:11.000 Why do you think like that?

01:03:12.000 Because I feel like I've just lived a thorough life already.

01:03:16.000 But you still enjoy it.

01:03:17.000 Yeah, I still enjoy it.

01:03:18.000 So why be happy to die? 0.99

01:03:20.000 Because I'm fucking happy. 1.00

01:03:21.000 Because you're crazy. 1.00

01:03:23.000 Probably. 1.00

01:03:24.000 I ain't doing anything out of the ordinary to fucking die. 1.00

01:03:28.000 Right. 0.99

01:03:29.000 Well, a little bit you are.

01:03:30.000 A little bit, but that's just normal. 1.00

01:03:31.000 Out there dancing with bears with a fucked up gun. 1.00

01:03:33.000 That's just the fucked up gun bit. 1.00

01:03:37.000 That's probably not good. 1.00

01:03:38.000 Jesus Christ, did you get back and tell that dude who gave you the 45, hey, fuckface? 0.99

01:03:42.000 Yeah, yeah, he was freaking. 0.99

01:03:44.000 They're the most nicest people.

01:03:45.000 It was Kay and Ed that were in.

01:03:47.000 Oh, really?

01:03:47.000 Yeah, they're the nicest people, and I think Ed was freaking more than me.

01:03:51.000 I'm like, it's all good, but fuck. 1.00

01:03:53.000 Yeah, fuck, indeed. 1.00

01:03:55.000 Jesus Christ. 1.00

01:03:56.000 To know that you had the gun, you had it out, and there was nothing there.

01:04:00.000 And it wouldn't, yeah.

01:04:00.000 Wow.

01:04:01.000 So I had to sleep there that night because I wasn't walking out in the dark and the worst thing is I'm sleeping at the elevation that she's at and she's only about 400 metres in a direct line from my camp.

01:04:14.000 Oh, Jesus Christ, dude.

01:04:16.000 How did you sleep? 0.98

01:04:16.000 Well, so I manually put a shell in the chamber, so I had one shell, and I just fucking... 0.98

01:04:21.000 I actually slept really good that night. 0.80

01:04:22.000 I don't know if there was adrenaline wearing off, and it wore me out more.

01:04:26.000 Were you convinced that it was going to fire, even with that one shell in the chamber?

01:04:29.000 Yeah, it would have.

01:04:30.000 It would have.

01:04:30.000 It just wouldn't have loaded up.

01:04:31.000 Yeah, so I couldn't have the magazine in there, because it would jam on the bullet, but I could drop a shell in there manually, and that'd be good to go.

01:04:39.000 So you had one?

01:04:39.000 I had one bullet.

01:04:40.000 Yeah.

01:04:42.000 Russian roulette with bears. 0.99

01:04:43.000 Not fucking good. 1.00

01:04:45.000 I had my knife out that night as well, like sleeping with me and shit like that. 0.99

01:04:49.000 How long is your knife? 1.00

01:04:50.000 Nah, fuck all. 1.00

01:04:51.000 Three inches? 1.00

01:04:52.000 Yeah.

01:04:53.000 Oh God, dude.

01:04:54.000 She's probably thinking it's a mosquito bite if it comes to it.

01:04:57.000 She's not even going to notice.

01:04:58.000 Nah. 1.00

01:04:58.000 They're fucking thick. 1.00

01:05:00.000 Their skin is so thick. 1.00

01:05:01.000 Yeah.

01:05:02.000 Because they bite each other.

01:05:03.000 Yeah.

01:05:03.000 I watched that Grizzly Man documentary, and one of the craziest things was watching the two grizzlies fight.

01:05:08.000 They were just tearing each other apart, biting each other's heads.

01:05:11.000 And when it was over, it didn't look like anything happened to either one of them.

01:05:14.000 It would have tore us to shreds.

01:05:16.000 A buddy that's had really good experience in Northwest Territories, where there's black bears and grizzlies living in the same area, he's experienced the two fighting, and it's never like the black bear going to the grizzly.

01:05:28.000 It's always the grizzly running down the black bear. 0.99

01:05:30.000 He said, one swipe from a grizzly bear, you know how big a black bear is, one swipe from a grizzly bear, and the black bear, it mightn't be dead, but it's fucking disabled, mate. 0.99

01:05:40.000 One swipe. 0.98

01:05:41.000 So imagine what one swipe from a grizzly would do to us, you know? 0.99

01:05:45.000 There's a picture of Cam Haynes and a grizzly that he shot in Alaska, and he's holding up its paw.

01:05:53.000 It's, yeah, another photo. 0.98

01:05:55.000 And I think the bear that he shot was like 11 feet tall, and he's holding up its paw, and the paw is like a fucking dinner plate. 0.99

01:06:02.000 Scary, eh? 0.99

01:06:03.000 It's like this big.

01:06:04.000 Yep.

01:06:04.000 Maybe bigger than it did.

01:06:05.000 Imagine that bitch slap followed by claws, dude. 1.00

01:06:09.000 There it is. 1.00

01:06:09.000 Straight after it, yeah. 1.00

01:06:10.000 Look at the size of that thing. 1.00

01:06:12.000 Fuck the paw. 1.00

01:06:13.000 Look at the teeth on that bloke. 1.00

01:06:15.000 The claws, yeah.

01:06:17.000 No, the teeth.

01:06:19.000 Cam's teeth, but not again.

01:06:21.000 You're obsessed with Cam's white teeth.

01:06:23.000 I want them.

01:06:24.000 You could just get that charcoal toothpaste and polish them away.

01:06:27.000 I've got it. 0.97

01:06:27.000 It ain't fucking working. 0.97

01:06:29.000 Do you drink coffee? 0.98

01:06:30.000 Yeah, I do.

01:06:31.000 He drinks coffee too, though.

01:06:32.000 He drinks coffee.

01:06:33.000 Yeah, but his coffee must have bleach in it instead of milk. 1.00

01:06:39.000 They are fucking enormous enormous animals. 0.99

01:06:42.000 But like you said, I mean that really is a real live living monster. 1.00

01:06:45.000 Yep, crazy, eh?

01:06:46.000 I love that dude there.

01:06:48.000 I'm just having a joke about these teeth. 1.00

01:06:50.000 He's a fucking legend. 0.99

01:06:51.000 He's the best. 0.99

01:06:52.000 But, I mean, John Dudley saw a grizzly bear take out a moose with one swipe.

01:06:59.000 He saw it through a spotting scope.

01:07:01.000 He saw a grizzly bear hit a moose in the back and break its spine.

01:07:06.000 They just, they hit things.

01:07:08.000 Insane, yeah.

01:07:08.000 They're probably one of the few animals that like hits.

01:07:11.000 Yeah, so what chance have we got?

01:07:14.000 Zero.

01:07:14.000 You're a bit meatier than me.

01:07:16.000 No, I'm fucked. 1.00

01:07:16.000 Oh, come on, man. 1.00

01:07:17.000 If it breaks the back of a moose, I'll just cape my skull in.

01:07:21.000 Yeah.

01:07:22.000 They're just so big. 0.98

01:07:23.000 They're so goddamn big. 0.99

01:07:24.000 Friggin' living Bigfoot dude. 1.00

01:07:26.000 They fuck Bigfoot. 1.00

01:07:27.000 Right there. 1.00

01:07:29.000 Bigfoot's only supposed to be an eight-foot-tall monkey. 1.00

01:07:31.000 They probably fucking white Bigfoot out. 0.99

01:07:32.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:07:33.000 They probably fucked Bigfoot. 1.00

01:07:34.000 Fucked them all to death. 1.00

01:07:37.000 This fucking werewolf fucking this gorilla over here on your table. 1.00

01:07:41.000 Well, what's crazy is that that's a small bear compared to the short-faced bear. 1.00

01:07:46.000 Short-nosed bear?

01:07:47.000 What was it?

01:07:47.000 What was that bear that lived in the...

01:07:50.000 I've seen the photo of that.

01:07:51.000 A short-faced bear, they think they call it.

01:07:53.000 Yeah.

01:07:53.000 Which is bigger even than a polar bear.

01:07:55.000 Yeah.

01:07:55.000 Bigger than a Kodiak bear.

01:07:56.000 There's a picture of these guys standing next to a...

01:08:00.000 Yeah, that's it.

01:08:02.000 That's the picture.

01:08:03.000 That's the one. 0.99

01:08:03.000 Holy shit, that's scary. 0.99

01:08:05.000 And that thing had long legs. 1.00

01:08:07.000 And that thing, apparently, was so fast and so ferocious that it kept people from crossing the Bering Land Bridge.

01:08:14.000 That's one of the reasons why they think that people...

01:08:18.000 It took so long for human beings to make it to North America.

01:08:21.000 It's paws as big as that dude's chest there.

01:08:24.000 The bigger dude.

01:08:25.000 Look how much bigger they are than anything else.

01:08:28.000 There's a grizzly, polar, and then the polar's big daddy is a short-faced bear.

01:08:31.000 So how long have I been extinct for?

01:08:33.000 I think 10,000 years.

01:08:35.000 Yeah, okay.

01:08:36.000 Find out if that's the case, Jamie.

01:08:39.000 But there's a picture of seven facts about the extinct giant bear.

01:08:46.000 11,000 years.

01:08:48.000 Go back to that last page you were at, please, and look at that one image.

01:08:52.000 It's really not that long.

01:08:53.000 The guy up in the right-hand corner with the guy touching the face.

01:08:56.000 Oh, yeah.

01:08:57.000 Look at that.

01:08:58.000 That's what they used to look like.

01:09:01.000 That's awesome. 0.98

01:09:01.000 I mean, God damn it. 0.98

01:09:03.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:09:03.000 I mean, that is a monster. 1.00

01:09:05.000 That's a monster from Avatar or from Star Wars.

01:09:09.000 Yeah.

01:09:10.000 And that's a real animal that lived alongside people for a long-ass time.

01:09:13.000 But see what I mean?

01:09:14.000 If they were just running around in the wild still, we'd just have a normal name for them and it wouldn't be any different because we're used to seeing them, dude.

01:09:21.000 It's like the galaxy.

01:09:22.000 You're used to looking out at, say, the Milky Way.

01:09:24.000 So it's like, oh, cool. 1.00

01:09:26.000 Fuck off. 1.00

01:09:27.000 Have a think about that. 1.00

01:09:28.000 That is freaky, dude.

01:09:30.000 Oh yeah.

01:09:31.000 I've always said that if space wasn't real, like if there was a roof over the world, but there was one place where you could go where you could see space, everybody would want to take a trip to that spot.

01:09:39.000 Oh yeah, 100%.

01:09:39.000 And it's out there for all of us to look at.

01:09:41.000 You've just got to get away from some of these shitty lights.

01:09:43.000 Well you have some amazing pictures. 0.62

01:09:45.000 I just put one up.

01:09:47.000 Go to first.man.image on Instagram.

01:09:52.000 Adam is not just an amazing bowhunter, but an amazing photographer.

01:09:56.000 Yeah, I just added one today, eh?

01:09:58.000 Because when you're out there in Arnhem Land, there's no artificial, there's no light pollution for a long, long way.

01:10:05.000 God.

01:10:05.000 Yeah, look at that.

01:10:06.000 So if you look closely at that picture, so the orange light's the fire, but see the clouds in the background?

01:10:13.000 There's a fun, just a campfire that we had.

01:10:16.000 But if you look behind that, that's lightning in those clouds there.

01:10:20.000 So I end up getting the fire, the lightning, and then the Milky Way blazing through there.

01:10:24.000 God.

01:10:24.000 That is an amazing picture, man.

01:10:27.000 That is amazing.

01:10:28.000 Isn't it?

01:10:28.000 I'm just...

01:10:29.000 Dude, I can't...

01:10:30.000 Like, I'm there and I don't go to sleep till 1 or 2 o'clock in the morning because I'm just laying there looking up or taking photos and I'm just like, what's out there?

01:10:38.000 Like, how crazy is that?

01:10:40.000 That picture's incredible.

01:10:41.000 Yeah.

01:10:42.000 That's incredible.

01:10:43.000 So beautiful.

01:10:44.000 So that's over our heads every night.

01:10:46.000 That's another thing that you just sort of take for granted, you know?

01:10:49.000 Yeah, and like you said, the light pollution.

01:10:51.000 I mean, we love cities.

01:10:52.000 They're nice. 0.98

01:10:53.000 They give you supermarkets and restaurants and shit, but they also ruin your view of the universe. 0.99

01:10:58.000 Totally. 0.99

01:10:59.000 It's not worth it.

01:11:01.000 It's not worth it.

01:11:02.000 The trade-off is almost not worth it. 0.97

01:11:05.000 I feel like we're just all fucking pigs now because there's so many options out there in food, and I reckon our taste buds have changed and everything. 0.97

01:11:14.000 Well, no doubt our taste buds have changed. 0.99

01:11:16.000 For sure.

01:11:16.000 Because...

01:11:18.000 Stuff back then wouldn't be bland, but if you just ate those real simple items now, it'd be bland as hell, you know.

01:11:24.000 I need sauce on it, I need to put salt on it, I need to do this. 0.54

01:11:28.000 I just feel like we're turning into frigging pigs because there's so many options for food out there that we just keep shoveling and we just take it all for granted as well.

01:11:36.000 100%.

01:11:37.000 But I like it.

01:11:38.000 I like it too.

01:11:40.000 We were talking about getting dinner after this.

01:11:42.000 We're going to go to a restaurant.

01:11:43.000 Sit down.

01:11:44.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:11:45.000 Not think about it at all.

01:11:46.000 Well, how good is that?

01:11:47.000 It's amazing.

01:11:49.000 When I come back from this 22 days, dude, I was fantasizing over foods.

01:11:54.000 I put the 17 kilos straight back on.

01:11:57.000 What were you thinking of? 0.99

01:11:58.000 Fucking anything. 0.99

01:11:59.000 But what was the one... 0.99

01:12:00.000 Is there one thing you're like, as soon as I hit back...

01:12:02.000 Any burger.

01:12:03.000 Any burger, but like a full works burger, like a burger that's just packed.

01:12:08.000 Yeah.

01:12:08.000 And there's a couple of places that me and Kim usually go home and I was just dying.

01:12:12.000 Like, I'm about to salivate, sorry.

01:12:15.000 Like...

01:12:16.000 Food is so good.

01:12:17.000 Yeah, but both, right?

01:12:17.000 Both.

01:12:18.000 The time spent away and the time in civilization.

01:12:21.000 That's the thing, is achieving balance.

01:12:23.000 Yeah, just getting the balance.

01:12:24.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:12:25.000 Because the civilization is awesome.

01:12:26.000 It's great to be able to go to a doctor. 0.98

01:12:28.000 Yeah, and when you get away from all that and you are out in the wilds, then you fully realize, like, fuck, how good do we have it? 0.99

01:12:36.000 Yeah. 0.94

01:12:36.000 Like, you hop in a car with air conditioning, you drive from point A to point B, like... 0.94

01:12:41.000 I always think about how life must have been back in the day. 0.89

01:12:45.000 It wasn't driving from point A to point B, because that might have taken fucking a week, dude. 0.89

01:12:50.000 Now you just jump in a car and go. 0.93

01:12:52.000 It's all temperature controlled.

01:12:54.000 You stop at a service station.

01:12:56.000 You get fuel. 1.00

01:12:57.000 Fucking, I'm thirsty. 1.00

01:12:58.000 I'm going to get a drink while I'm in there. 1.00

01:13:00.000 That's just one example of how crazy it is.

01:13:04.000 Yeah, now when you are in the bush, especially when you're in Ardham Land, you find a lot of pictographs and a lot of these...

01:13:11.000 Yeah, because there was such a huge indigenous population up there.

01:13:15.000 Well, there still is, but, you know, you're looking at...

01:13:17.000 I put one up the other day.

01:13:19.000 It's a video.

01:13:20.000 It's just in the Insta story, so Jamie won't find it.

01:13:22.000 But me and Ukuls are looking at some paintings, and then I look down, and I'm like, there's a whole human remains tucked in the rocks there, wrapped in paper bark, which is a...

01:13:32.000 Do you have paper bark in America, a type of tree?

01:13:34.000 Yeah.

01:13:34.000 I don't think so.

01:13:35.000 Maybe.

01:13:36.000 They call it paver bark because the bark literally rips off it like a soft tissue paper.

01:13:41.000 And so some mobs, like indigenous people, would wrap their dead in that. 0.99

01:13:45.000 No, mob is what the indigenous people call a group of them.

01:13:48.000 Well, you'd say tribe here.

01:13:49.000 Yeah, you were talking a mob of hogs earlier. 1.00

01:13:52.000 Yeah.

01:13:52.000 You said that.

01:13:53.000 So a mob's a group of indigenous... 1.00

01:13:56.000 That's what they call themselves, right?

01:13:57.000 Yeah, that's correct.

01:13:58.000 So I don't like the term tribe or anything like that because that's very American for your Indians and things like that.

01:14:03.000 So they would say...

01:14:05.000 I wanted to really get into this because this is some stuff we talked about at my house after we did the podcast last time.

01:14:12.000 Oh, wow.

01:14:13.000 Look at those pictures.

01:14:14.000 That's amazing.

01:14:15.000 Yeah.

01:14:15.000 So they're a real beautiful race and they were very...

01:14:18.000 I don't know if I'd call them artistic because this just seemed to be what they did.

01:14:22.000 You know, whether it's...

01:14:23.000 Their dream time.

01:14:25.000 You would have heard about their dream time.

01:14:26.000 So whether it's recording their dream time, you know, the Indigenous would do these rock arts and sometimes they'd be carvings.

01:14:35.000 So if you go to like the Dampier Archipelago in Western Australia, which is in the Pilbara region, they're all carvings in rock, like literally scribed in the rock.

01:14:45.000 And...

01:14:46.000 The detail that you'd get, like it's so hard describing a rock, they'd get this detail in this rock that was just amazing.

01:14:53.000 These are paintings where they'd grind up different stones and get different texture and colours and see those handprints, those handprints have been put up, their hands go on the wall and then they spray it out of their mouth so they make like a liquid form.

01:15:05.000 And essentially it's like a spray painting, you know, but they're using their mouth.

01:15:09.000 Those other ones would be painted on.

01:15:11.000 You see some really crazy things.

01:15:13.000 I reckon that's an emu, that white thing, if you have a good look at it.

01:15:16.000 There's so many paintings on there.

01:15:18.000 That's a picture that I took a couple of years ago now.

01:15:20.000 There's so many paintings on there now that you have to stare at it for a while and then pick a different one out.

01:15:25.000 Are these documented?

01:15:27.000 These ones aren't.

01:15:30.000 I'm one of about two white fellas that have been to this area and a traditional elder took us there, like a traditional owner took us up there.

01:15:38.000 She couldn't go up there and the only reason we were allowed in there was because this mob of people, they don't exist anymore. 0.84

01:15:45.000 The last of them has passed away so it was okay to go in there.

01:15:49.000 So, to take you into the full story, we had beaten down this bush track for hours and hours, and we pull up at a little creek system, and she just sort of pointed it out.

01:16:00.000 She said, look, if you go up to the escarpment there and into a cave or whatever, you'll see...

01:16:05.000 You know, the artefacts and everything that's up there.

01:16:07.000 So this is untouched, like crazily untouched, this spot.

01:16:11.000 And we go in there and it's like a frigging lost city but all natural, like rocks just pushed up out of the ground and then you see the mouth of the cave and a couple of paintings on it.

01:16:20.000 Then you walk into the cave and this cave is 60, 70 metres long.

01:16:25.000 It's probably 30 metres wide and the roof's probably...

01:16:31.000 Let's say 10 metres tall and the whole way through this cave system is those paintings.

01:16:37.000 How did they even reach the top of the cave?

01:16:39.000 There's no big rocks or anything sitting around anymore.

01:16:42.000 There's still the grinding stones there, Joe, where they were grinding up the different paints because that's what they'd do.

01:16:48.000 They'd grind it up and work it into a paste to paint with.

01:16:51.000 That's all still sitting there and there's 30 human remains just sitting in the cave in a pile there as well.

01:16:59.000 Wow.

01:17:01.000 So the Indigenous story goes, you know, and this might be a part of the Dreamtime, I don't want to get this bit wrong, but it might be a part of like a Dreamtime story and how it happened, but the Dreamtime story is the kids descended off the, from the cave down onto,

01:17:17.000 from the escarpment down onto the flats, and the kids were told not to kill any serpents, like don't kill a snake, you know, they were off limits.

01:17:25.000 And the kids go down there and they can't find anything to eat and they find a serpent, like a young snake.

01:17:32.000 So they grab the snake and they cut its head off and it doesn't die.

01:17:35.000 It keeps squiggling and moving around.

01:17:39.000 So they keep chopping it up.

01:17:40.000 They chop it into little bits and it keeps squiggling around and won't die.

01:17:43.000 They bash it with a rock and it won't die.

01:17:45.000 It keeps squiggling around.

01:17:46.000 Then they throw it in a fire and the fire still doesn't kill it.

01:17:49.000 It's just in pain and it's squirming and squiggling around.

01:17:52.000 Then the mother serpent... 0.88

01:17:54.000 You know, heard this commotion.

01:17:56.000 The kids go back up to the escarpment and into the cave, but the mother serpent comes up, and there never used to be a creek there, and she come up with such a rage that she carved the creek through the land.

01:18:06.000 So this is how a lot of their Dreamtime stories go.

01:18:09.000 And so she carved that creek in that we're actually camped on.

01:18:13.000 She went up, she found the people in the cave after finding her young dead, and she lit a fire all the way around them.

01:18:19.000 She raced them into the cave, and she burned them out, and she burned them to death. 1.00

01:18:24.000 So, you know, that's the Indigenous story.

01:18:28.000 The whitefella story is the Indigenous, and I'm not saying one's true or one's not true, but I'll tell you how the story goes.

01:18:37.000 The whitefella story is that was one of the first cattle stations in the Northern Territory of Australia, and the Indigenous were picking off cattle to eat, you know, and they wouldn't have known any different, right? 1.00

01:18:49.000 It's an animal.

01:18:50.000 Yeah.

01:18:51.000 And the station owners found this out.

01:18:54.000 They found out where the indigenous were living and they took them food as a gift, but it was all laced with poison.

01:19:00.000 And they end up all dying in the cave.

01:19:02.000 So, you know, there's two versions of the story.

01:19:05.000 Obviously.

01:19:06.000 Yeah.

01:19:06.000 It's the second one.

01:19:08.000 Yeah, I don't want to say, because who freaking knows?

01:19:11.000 Well, I definitely know that a snake isn't going around lighting fires.

01:19:16.000 Probably not, but...

01:19:16.000 I know what you're saying.

01:19:17.000 You're being respectful.

01:19:18.000 Yeah, if you listen to enough Dreamtime stories, you know, and they were there for a long time, you know?

01:19:25.000 Yeah.

01:19:26.000 They were so good at hunting...

01:19:29.000 Because, you know, a lot of people say, oh, the Indigenous didn't come up with the bow and arrow.

01:19:33.000 They didn't need to.

01:19:34.000 Like, why invent something you didn't need?

01:19:36.000 They were so good with boomerangs and spears and, you know, the way that they hunted that they didn't need a bow and arrow, you know.

01:19:43.000 It was insane.

01:19:44.000 So they're a beautiful race, but they're still very young to Western society, you know.

01:19:50.000 I think we spoke about this last time.

01:19:52.000 Jamie, can you find out how old...

01:19:54.000 Well, when was the Northern Territory of Australia really pioneered?

01:19:58.000 Because that's the population of Indigenous that we're talking about.

01:20:01.000 They've been thrown into this Western society that we've come through slowly with. 0.98

01:20:07.000 Essentially, they were still in the Stone Age because that's all they needed.

01:20:12.000 Northern Territory in 1825. The area occupied today in the Northern Territory is part of the colony of New South Wales.

01:20:19.000 It was first settled by Europeans in 1824 at Fort Dundas, Port Essington.

01:20:26.000 In 1863, control of the area was given to South Australia.

01:20:29.000 So isn't that crazy?

01:20:30.000 It's not even 200 years old, dude.

01:20:32.000 That's crazy.

01:20:33.000 Yeah.

01:20:33.000 And so these people have been there for how many thousands of years before that?

01:20:36.000 Let's look that up too, because I don't want to get it wrong.

01:20:38.000 Yeah.

01:20:39.000 And one of the things that you were telling me that I thought was really fascinating, we were just hanging out at my house, was how many different languages they have.

01:20:46.000 Yeah.

01:20:47.000 There's like, I think there's over 700 dialects.

01:20:50.000 And you could literally have a mob of indigenous on this part of the mainland, and just a little bit further down another mob of indigenous, and they wouldn't speak the same language.

01:20:59.000 Yeah.

01:20:59.000 It says the Northern Territory provides evidence of settlement around 60,000 years ago.

01:21:05.000 I think it's just been blown right out of the water and it's a lot longer than that now.

01:21:09.000 Really?

01:21:10.000 Yep.

01:21:11.000 Recently?

01:21:11.000 Yep, just recently.

01:21:13.000 Yeah, I remember reading something about that.

01:21:14.000 That's right.

01:21:15.000 What's the date on that?

01:21:16.000 It was like super recently, like a week ago or something, right?

01:21:19.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:21:20.000 And there's...

01:21:21.000 So there's now findings to suggest that Egyptians come over at some point, especially these two brothers.

01:21:29.000 And one of the brothers, there's a story that goes, one of the brothers was really sick and, you know, he had to look after him and...

01:21:37.000 I can't remember how it ends, but, you know, that Egyptians had come here just because of some of the signs that they found, and, like, there was, like, a story noted down on some rocks and things like that.

01:21:46.000 So it's really crazy, the history behind Australia, when you think of it like that, and when you think of how young it is.

01:21:52.000 Here it goes.

01:21:53.000 Aboriginal architectural discovery in, how do you say that word?

01:21:57.000 Kakadu?

01:21:57.000 Kakadu, yep.

01:21:58.000 Kakadu rewrites the history of Australia.

01:22:01.000 Northern Territory Aboriginal people have lived in Australia a minimum of 65,000 years.

01:22:06.000 A team of archaeologists has established 18,000 years longer than it had been proved previously, and at least 5,000 years longer than it had been speculated by the most optimistic researchers.

01:22:17.000 Wow.

01:22:18.000 Crazy, huh?

01:22:19.000 Yeah, pretty crazy. 1.00

01:22:20.000 That's a long fucking time, man. 0.99

01:22:22.000 It's a long time. 1.00

01:22:23.000 65,000 years.

01:22:25.000 There's a story about the Dampy Archipelago area in the Pilbara.

01:22:29.000 That's what I mentioned earlier.

01:22:30.000 That's right near where I have my business.

01:22:32.000 And there's over 70,000 rock arts on the archipelago itself.

01:22:38.000 They still don't know the significance of it.

01:22:40.000 70,000.

01:22:41.000 But there's a story that goes, the indigenous that lived on the mainland were so much different than the people that lived on the islands.

01:22:50.000 They called them the canoe people or the boat people.

01:23:10.000 Jesus Christ.

01:23:11.000 Yeah.

01:23:12.000 It's just amazing how many different dialects.

01:23:14.000 It's insane, isn't it?

01:23:15.000 And you were saying that you could just go a couple kilometers away and they spoke a totally different way.

01:23:20.000 Yep, that's correct.

01:23:20.000 And they couldn't understand each other.

01:23:22.000 Nope, they couldn't understand each other.

01:23:23.000 So with my business, like I've been very fortunate to work closely with a lot of indigenous people, whether it's Arnhem Land, where I go hunting a lot, or it's with my business.

01:23:34.000 Because in my business, I've got a joint venture with an indigenous business owner.

01:23:41.000 She's a lovely woman.

01:23:43.000 She's awesome. 0.83

01:23:44.000 And I also have a thing where I employ at least 25% local indigenous people.

01:23:52.000 And I actually usually blow that out to 50% at some times, which is awesome.

01:23:57.000 Is this a deal that's mandated by a treaty or the government?

01:24:00.000 Not really.

01:24:01.000 The mining companies that I work for, Would prefer an Indigenous joint venture owner of 25%, then what I've taken on through myself is just I want the 25% or more Indigenous employees as well,

01:24:19.000 local Indigenous people.

01:24:20.000 So I've been close to a lot of them and you hear a lot of their different stories, but one of the things is where my business is, the Sorry, the woman has the say in the relationship,

01:24:36.000 everything financial, everything like that.

01:24:38.000 But just two hours away, the man has...

01:24:40.000 It's the complete opposite, and the man has the say in everything.

01:24:44.000 And that's just two hours away.

01:24:46.000 But anyway, some of these Indigenous... 1.00

01:24:49.000 You know, have married into, you know, someone from two hours away, like the Pilbara region, and they're always like, oh, can we move back to, like, Onslow, where the man gets to say it's really, really funny. 0.91

01:25:02.000 But I'm just like, but in my relationship, it's whoever's the most fucking pissed off in the day gets to say.

01:25:08.000 You're both a little bit of both, then. 0.63

01:25:10.000 So that's interesting.

01:25:11.000 So if they moved, then they would switch roles.

01:25:13.000 It's full switches, and that happens all the time.

01:25:15.000 So they just accept it?

01:25:16.000 Yeah, they just accept it.

01:25:17.000 Wow!

01:25:18.000 And the whole tribe agrees.

01:25:20.000 Yeah, that's the whole mob agrees.

01:25:21.000 See, that never exists in, like, America.

01:25:24.000 It doesn't.

01:25:26.000 It probably doesn't run so smoothly there, either.

01:25:28.000 Well, who knows?

01:25:29.000 The other real...

01:25:30.000 And it's really hard for a lot of Westerners to understand...

01:25:35.000 So I'll tell you one story about old Kevin, traditional owner that I go hunting out on his land.

01:25:42.000 He's been out on camp with me for a couple of weeks and he hasn't had anything but water and a bit of red meat that I've shot him and stuff like that.

01:25:52.000 I think?

01:26:12.000 They get there, nothing's been taken out of the bags, but once they hand it to him, they just start reaching.

01:26:17.000 Whatever he's grabbed out, they reach.

01:26:18.000 So he got a couple of bottles of Coke, and all the kids and relatives are drinking the Coke, and they leave him with about this much Coke.

01:26:26.000 He gets a pack of cigarettes, all his hands go in, they grab cigarettes.

01:26:29.000 He doesn't look at them once.

01:26:31.000 He doesn't go to say, no, I haven't had a smoke for a couple of weeks, or a drink for a couple of weeks.

01:26:36.000 Doesn't even blink, dude.

01:26:38.000 Or anything.

01:26:39.000 Just everyone takes and they just leave them with a little bit. 0.99

01:26:41.000 And I was thinking, fuck, if that was me, I'd be like, oi, I haven't had a freaking cigarette for a couple of weeks. 0.98

01:26:49.000 Like, ease up. 0.99

01:26:51.000 And it didn't bother him one bit, because that's how they are.

01:26:53.000 But when one of them has something that he doesn't have, he's quite welcome to reach in and grab whatever he wants as well.

01:26:58.000 They say that was an issue with Native Americans as well, that they didn't understand property.

01:27:03.000 Yeah, yeah, don't understand property and just sharing is what they do.

01:27:06.000 Yeah, it's just normal.

01:27:08.000 This property thing came out of the Europeans, and they didn't understand, so they would do the same thing. 1.00

01:27:13.000 They would take the animals or take the food, and it was normal to them.

01:27:17.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:27:18.000 We're good to go.

01:27:46.000 And then not show up to work the next morning and come back two months later and just walk straight into the depot like, hey boss.

01:27:56.000 And I'd be like, I haven't seen you for a couple of months, mate.

01:27:59.000 What are you doing?

01:28:00.000 I'm here for work.

01:28:02.000 What?

01:28:04.000 Because they'd get their paycheck and they'd just be happy and go off with it for those couple of months or whatever.

01:28:10.000 They're not all like that, but a lot of them would do that.

01:28:12.000 And it took me a long time to understand, especially being a business owner and just wanting everything to run nice and smooth, that that's just how a lot of them are.

01:28:21.000 And it is something to be envious about.

01:28:23.000 Because the other thing that would happen...

01:28:26.000 And the mine sites were pushing for Indigenous employees at this time, and I'd load them up with Indigenous employees. 1.00

01:28:34.000 Then there'd be a death, you know, in the family, and a funeral.

01:28:39.000 They won't bury their dead until everyone from the mobs there. 0.75

01:28:43.000 And because some of them live so far out in bush, you know, it could take a week for a funeral, or some funerals go for weeks and weeks, months, dude.

01:28:52.000 And these guys wouldn't show up and I'd have the client ringing me up saying, you know, like, what's going on?

01:28:56.000 You guys aren't here today.

01:28:57.000 Well, if you want Indigenous employees and Indigenous business, this is what happens. 0.99

01:29:01.000 You need to understand their culture.

01:29:03.000 Now, there's been a lot of cultural awareness.

01:29:09.000 A lot of cultural awareness has gone out there to the mine sites that now they're all understanding that as well.

01:29:15.000 So they know if there's a funeral on that, they're not going to have their Indigenous people there anymore. 1.00

01:29:19.000 So the Indigenous people haven't adjusted. 1.00

01:29:21.000 Yeah.

01:29:21.000 No, they haven't.

01:29:22.000 No, they have to a certain degree on some things, but not a lot.

01:29:25.000 And they shouldn't have to either.

01:29:27.000 Right.

01:29:27.000 Yeah.

01:29:28.000 But when they take off, they don't get paid. 1.00

01:29:31.000 No, shit, no. 0.99

01:29:34.000 You've got to get work. 1.00

01:29:36.000 You've got to work to get paid on my club.

01:29:37.000 But when a guy goes off on a walkabout and comes back two months later, do you just take him back in?

01:29:41.000 I am now, yeah, we usually do if we've got the work.

01:29:43.000 So now you just...

01:29:44.000 Because it's cultural awareness.

01:29:46.000 I'm aware of how their culture is.

01:29:48.000 Wow.

01:29:48.000 Yeah.

01:29:49.000 That's interesting because whenever an invasive culture moves into an indigenous culture, there's this battle, right? 0.98

01:29:57.000 Yeah.

01:29:58.000 Try to figure out whose lifestyle wins out.

01:30:01.000 Yeah.

01:30:01.000 And that's decimated the Native Americans.

01:30:03.000 I think in all of the cities and...

01:30:06.000 More populated places in Australia, it definitely has.

01:30:09.000 But I've just been lucky enough to go into some of these remote areas where that's not the case still.

01:30:15.000 And like I said, you look in on them and you're just like, I wish I could live my life like that.

01:30:19.000 It's like they don't want some of the things that we want.

01:30:24.000 Right.

01:30:25.000 I guess they probably...

01:30:26.000 Well, I don't know.

01:30:28.000 Maybe they envy some of the ways that we live as well. 0.98

01:30:30.000 I don't fucking think so. 0.97

01:30:31.000 No. 0.99

01:30:32.000 I think some of them do, obviously.

01:30:34.000 Some of them do, yeah.

01:30:35.000 Yeah.

01:30:36.000 But I look at them out there, out bush, you know, like when they're right out and it's just like, this is the way life should be lived.

01:30:42.000 It's like there's no rush to do anything or get anywhere and just, they're just living life, dude.

01:30:48.000 Well, that's how you like to live too.

01:30:50.000 You like to just be out when you're at your cabin.

01:30:54.000 You spend a tremendous amount of time at your cabin just out hunting.

01:30:58.000 Pretty much.

01:31:00.000 Chilling out.

01:31:00.000 That's the thing about where you live.

01:31:02.000 You have so many invasive species.

01:31:04.000 So many deer and pigs.

01:31:06.000 You can just go and hunt anytime you want.

01:31:10.000 That's amazing.

01:31:11.000 So I do get to hunt a lot.

01:31:13.000 So you just eat wild game constantly.

01:31:15.000 Yeah, pretty much.

01:31:16.000 Like your wedding, my mouth drool.

01:31:18.000 Oh, dude, that was the best.

01:31:18.000 The food that you guys had laid out.

01:31:20.000 Woo! 0.99

01:31:21.000 Yeah.

01:31:21.000 Just wild pork and venison.

01:31:23.000 I ate those meatballs, which were like a deer-pig mix for like three days, dude.

01:31:31.000 God.

01:31:31.000 Breakfast, lunch, and dinner.

01:31:32.000 It looked so good.

01:31:33.000 All that wild pork.

01:31:34.000 It was awesome.

01:31:35.000 And it was an awesome experience to go out, harvest that meat myself, then put it on for like 60, 70 people at the wedding.

01:31:42.000 Wow.

01:31:43.000 Yeah, it was cool.

01:31:43.000 I'm like, this is from right here.

01:31:46.000 Like, right here, off the farm.

01:31:48.000 That's crazy.

01:31:49.000 Yeah.

01:31:49.000 Yeah, no, you're living, man.

01:31:50.000 You so need to come over, dude. 0.99

01:31:52.000 You gotta kill all those bugs first. 0.96

01:31:55.000 Did you see that scorpion that bit me? 0.99

01:31:57.000 No.

01:31:59.000 Because I've always been like, I've actually never been bitten.

01:32:02.000 I got bitten by like an orb spider on the arm once.

01:32:05.000 What's an orb spider?

01:32:06.000 They're not too bad, but like this side went numb.

01:32:09.000 All this side here.

01:32:10.000 Okay, that's bad, dude.

01:32:12.000 Yeah, but it's not like bad, like it's going to kill you or make you real sick.

01:32:15.000 You just don't feel it for a while. 0.99

01:32:17.000 Just jerk off with left hand. 0.99

01:32:19.000 The day before the wedding. 0.99

01:32:21.000 Yeah, that's a garden orb.

01:32:24.000 That's the fella there.

01:32:26.000 That bit me.

01:32:28.000 So they're not too bad, but I've never looked up scorpions before because I've never been bitten by them, and I've just heard a few rumours that you can get really sick from the little ones, and I picked up a bit of timber while I was building the barn that I was doing,

01:32:44.000 and originally I thought it was just a splinter that cracked me, and then, dude, this hand felt like it was about 10 times the size.

01:32:51.000 Like, in 20 seconds, this hand just felt like it was just swelling up.

01:32:54.000 It wasn't.

01:32:55.000 It looked fine, but then...

01:33:01.000 We're good to go.

01:33:26.000 Two or three days.

01:33:27.000 Yeah.

01:33:27.000 Anyway, once it got into my chest, it sort of disappeared.

01:33:30.000 I did feel a bit nauseous and stuff like that.

01:33:33.000 But then, 2am in the morning, it drifted down into this leg on the opposite side, like woke me up, like was just killing me. 1.00

01:33:40.000 Like, you little fucker, they're only this fucking big too. 1.00

01:33:43.000 It's like an inch long? 1.00

01:33:44.000 Yeah, about an inch long.

01:33:46.000 Just a tiny little stinger. 0.97

01:33:48.000 Oh, I feel like that.

01:33:48.000 That didn't happen to me, thank Christ.

01:33:51.000 That's what, necrosis?

01:33:52.000 Yeah, but...

01:33:55.000 You can like it.

01:33:56.000 It's not freaking good.

01:33:57.000 But the day of the wedding, while we're all getting ready, me good friend Ben Chambers was there.

01:34:03.000 I was over freaking building something still or whatever I was doing.

01:34:07.000 And I hear a bit of commotion.

01:34:08.000 I look over.

01:34:09.000 He's freaking wrestling.

01:34:10.000 It's a spotted blue-bellied black snake, which we've actually never had on the property before.

01:34:17.000 And they're really aggressive.

01:34:20.000 He sort of tried to hold it out of a stick so it couldn't lash back and get him. 0.97

01:34:23.000 I've got all these people showing up for a wedding and there's a friggin' venomous snake running around. 0.97

01:34:27.000 How venomous is a black snake? 0.89

01:34:29.000 I've heard that they give you a real bad migraine, but they can do the same. 0.99

01:34:34.000 You can have cardiac arrest, you can have a bad reaction to it, so there's a lot of shit that can go on there. 0.99

01:34:40.000 But, mate, it grabs this stick, and a red-bellied black snake will whack you and then usually let go. 0.99

01:34:47.000 These things are notorious for grabbing you and just pumping you with venom.

01:34:50.000 That's what makes them the worst of the black snakes.

01:34:52.000 They'll just grab onto you and keep pumping you with venom, and they won't do a dry bite. 0.96

01:34:56.000 A lot of snakes do a dry bite. 0.92

01:34:58.000 But anyway, this is like an hour away from the wedding start, and he's tangling this snake up around the stick.

01:35:05.000 Then he lets it go further away from the cabin, and when he lets it go, it spews up a bloody brown snake.

01:35:12.000 And I sent you a video once before of a snake spewing up another snake.

01:35:16.000 This thing spewed up a full brown snake, and then...

01:35:19.000 And brown snakes are super poisonous.

01:35:21.000 Exactly, yeah.

01:35:22.000 So I probably should have left it alive because it's taking care of the brown snake population.

01:35:26.000 It has a taste for what kills you.

01:35:28.000 Yeah.

01:35:28.000 Should have left it right at the cabin.

01:35:30.000 Yeah, I mean, if it only gives you a headache.

01:35:31.000 Yeah.

01:35:32.000 But most of the time, like in Australia, and I've walked thousands of miles, dude, and I've never, ever had a problem.

01:35:41.000 That's why you need to come out.

01:35:42.000 Yeah.

01:35:43.000 Boy, that's not a convincing argument.

01:35:45.000 Come visit the farm.

01:35:47.000 I'll take you up to the cabin.

01:35:48.000 Sounds good.

01:35:48.000 Can I get an armored suit?

01:35:50.000 You got some Kevlar underwear I could put on?

01:35:53.000 It seems like a terrible idea. 0.99

01:35:56.000 I brought you that buffalo skull because I'm like, you're fucking never coming. 1.00

01:35:59.000 So I might as well bring you one of my buffalo skulls. 0.99

01:36:02.000 Well, I would come to Australia.

01:36:03.000 I'm not going buffalo hunting. 1.00

01:36:05.000 You guys are out of your fucking mind. 1.00

01:36:06.000 You're pretty safe up there. 1.00

01:36:07.000 Oh yeah, pretty safe.

01:36:08.000 There's no crocodiles up there at all.

01:36:09.000 Saltwater crocodile.

01:36:10.000 Is that the snake?

01:36:11.000 That's a red-belly there.

01:36:13.000 Ooh! 0.96

01:36:13.000 That thing's beautiful. 0.96

01:36:15.000 He is pissed off.

01:36:16.000 See, he's flattening his neck out like that.

01:36:18.000 God, it's so beautiful.

01:36:19.000 Yeah.

01:36:20.000 That's a red-bellied black snake? 0.70

01:36:21.000 Yeah.

01:36:21.000 They're pretty harmless.

01:36:23.000 They're so pretty.

01:36:24.000 I've actually had my head back on a stick before and it was curled right up behind my head and they'll lift up and have a look in the grass and he lifted right up beside me.

01:36:33.000 I'm like, I won't move.

01:36:34.000 I don't want to get bit.

01:36:35.000 And then he just relaxed and chilled out.

01:36:37.000 So you just lay there?

01:36:39.000 That second from the left, Jamie, that looks like a spotted...

01:36:42.000 What is that?

01:36:45.000 This says blue-bellied here, but you can't see much of it.

01:36:48.000 Look at that one, the bright, shiny black one above it to the right.

01:36:52.000 Yeah, that's where I was.

01:36:52.000 Click on these.

01:36:53.000 God, that's gorgeous.

01:36:56.000 That is a gorgeous creature.

01:36:58.000 It's not uncommon to see a few of them through the summer while you're hunting, but like I said, they're really placid.

01:37:04.000 So those are sick. 0.98

01:37:05.000 But how the fuck do you remember them all? 0.99

01:37:07.000 Do me a favor while you're looking at snakes. 1.00

01:37:09.000 Will that kill you?

01:37:10.000 Look up Andrew Uckels.

01:37:11.000 I saw this thing on your Instagram.

01:37:13.000 Yeah, and then you'll find him on YouTube.

01:37:17.000 Then he's got this video where he catches, I think it's two brown snakes and a red-bellied black snake, and he puts them down in rabbit holes, and then they chase the rabbits out.

01:37:28.000 They're trying to get shelter.

01:37:29.000 They chase these rabbits out, and he ends up catching the rabbits.

01:37:32.000 It's frigging hilarious.

01:37:34.000 These are his older videos.

01:37:36.000 I've just seen it.

01:37:37.000 That one there, Jamie, the top one.

01:37:40.000 Is this the one or the one above it?

01:37:41.000 This one here, he's doing something.

01:37:43.000 Catching wild rabbits with snakes?

01:37:45.000 Not it?

01:37:45.000 Nah.

01:37:47.000 That one there. 0.92

01:37:49.000 This dude's a freak.

01:37:52.000 That's him?

01:37:53.000 Barefoot? 0.99

01:37:54.000 Holy shit, that was a few years ago. 0.99

01:37:57.000 He looks pretty Australian. 1.00

01:37:58.000 He's very Australian. 1.00

01:38:00.000 I keep saying to him, if you keep doing this shit, your fucking number's coming up, brother. 1.00

01:38:04.000 So these snakes are what kind of snakes? 1.00

01:38:08.000 They're two red-bellied black snakes. 0.88

01:38:09.000 So those will kill you?

01:38:11.000 Nah, they won't kill you unless you have a bad reaction. 0.77

01:38:14.000 Yeah, they're headache snakes.

01:38:15.000 And they're not attacking them.

01:38:17.000 Well, one of them's trying to now.

01:38:19.000 It's getting a bit revved up.

01:38:21.000 Yeah, I mean, he's just walking around carrying them.

01:38:23.000 He's got some serious control.

01:38:24.000 So when they lift up the strike, he drops them down a little bit, you know, because they can't fight against their own weight like that.

01:38:29.000 Uh-huh. 0.99

01:38:34.000 See how you just fucking grab it? 0.99

01:38:37.000 He just saw one on the ground. 0.99

01:38:38.000 He's got three of them in his hand. 0.99

01:38:40.000 What the fuck is wrong with this dude? 0.99

01:38:42.000 This is your buddy? 0.99

01:38:43.000 Yeah, this is my buddy.

01:38:44.000 He's a bow hunter?

01:38:45.000 No, he doesn't hunt, no.

01:38:46.000 Why should he hunt? 1.00

01:38:48.000 Snakes with his fucking hands while he's wearing gym shorts. 1.00

01:38:51.000 Dude, he's just done Africa maybe a couple of years ago. 1.00

01:38:55.000 He chases a pride of lions off a fucking kill. 1.00

01:38:59.000 What? 1.00

01:38:59.000 Chases a pride of lions, bluffs them out. 1.00

01:39:02.000 Come on.

01:39:02.000 He has elephants chase him down, dude, and he outruns elephants.

01:39:06.000 What?

01:39:07.000 What is wrong with this dude? 1.00

01:39:07.000 He's fucking insane. 1.00

01:39:10.000 Does he have a death wish? 1.00

01:39:11.000 He must have.

01:39:12.000 Do you think he does?

01:39:12.000 I don't know.

01:39:13.000 Talk to him about it?

01:39:15.000 He's got some screws loose at least.

01:39:17.000 Can he identify the taste of a gun?

01:39:22.000 Oh, I've been there before.

01:39:24.000 So he drops these snakes down the holes and the rabbits just run out?

01:39:27.000 Yeah, he drops them down the hole.

01:39:29.000 And then what he does?

01:39:29.000 He grabs a rabbit with his hands?

01:39:30.000 He grabs a rabbit, yeah.

01:39:32.000 Or they run into a net.

01:39:33.000 I'm not sure.

01:39:34.000 One or the other.

01:39:36.000 You're hanging around with some weird dudes.

01:39:37.000 Dude, I just watched him wrestle a full-size bull buffalo.

01:39:42.000 What?

01:39:43.000 Yeah, he pretty much, he lassoed this bull, and I'm filming, this is on this last time.

01:39:48.000 What kind of buffalo?

01:39:49.000 A water buffalo.

01:39:50.000 Like the one that you had?

01:39:51.000 Yeah, one of the invasive ones, yeah. 1.00

01:39:52.000 That giant fucker? 1.00

01:39:53.000 Yep. 1.00

01:39:54.000 He lassoes one of those, but because of how the horns are, he can only get a lasso around one horn, so it comes off, made it, I've got it on video, it misses him by...

01:40:05.000 I reckon it's a couple of feet. 1.00

01:40:06.000 This thing is on his ass. 1.00

01:40:08.000 But he can run, but I'm like, dude, one trip and you are fucked up. 1.00

01:40:13.000 How fast is a water buffalo? 1.00

01:40:15.000 Fast.

01:40:16.000 They're huge.

01:40:17.000 Just the weight in the head could...

01:40:22.000 Squish your body in half if it got you against the ground or a tree.

01:40:26.000 So imagine the rest of its whole body weight grinding you. 0.98

01:40:29.000 Dude, it'd turn you into friggin' pepper. 0.99

01:40:30.000 What's the endgame for this guy? 0.85

01:40:32.000 Like, what's he doing this for?

01:40:34.000 For a thrill?

01:40:35.000 I think so.

01:40:36.000 He's done some stuff with...

01:40:37.000 Look at him out there, a backpack, gym shorts.

01:40:38.000 He's done some stuff with...

01:40:39.000 Look at this monkey having a root in the background.

01:40:43.000 So this is Africa?

01:40:44.000 This must be Africa. 1.00

01:40:47.000 Sample clip.

01:40:48.000 Like, what is he doing?

01:40:49.000 He's gonna chase one of these wild baboons. 0.77

01:40:51.000 Baboons? 1.00

01:40:51.000 Holy fuck. 1.00

01:40:53.000 Oh, Jesus Christ. 1.00

01:40:55.000 Why is he chasing baboons? 1.00

01:40:57.000 Baboons will fuck you up. 1.00

01:41:00.000 He nearly dies on this trip. 1.00

01:41:02.000 Something bites him or something.

01:41:03.000 Oh my god.

01:41:04.000 So he just chased off all these baboons by running at them. 1.00

01:41:07.000 This does not seem wise.

01:41:09.000 What concerns me more than anything is that other people are going to copy this guy.

01:41:14.000 Oh, 100%.

01:41:15.000 Yeah, because he obviously is very skilled.

01:41:18.000 I mean, if you can call it skilled, knowledgeable, what's the word?

01:41:21.000 He's done it before.

01:41:22.000 He's experienced. 1.00

01:41:23.000 Oh shit, here comes this pride of lion bit. 1.00

01:41:25.000 Oh fucking Christ. 1.00

01:41:26.000 Look, he turns his back on him. 1.00

01:41:32.000 He's got no shirt on folks. 0.99

01:41:34.000 He's wearing gym shorts and he's he's give me some volume so I can hear this crazy fuck talk In that last bit of footage you can see me rolling on the ground So they could get animals. 0.99

01:41:46.000 So they could come in close. 0.99

01:41:48.000 But even then, these animals understand that I'm a predator.

01:41:51.000 They understand.

01:41:52.000 One look at me with my two legs, my two arms, standing upright, my vision forward.

01:41:56.000 These animals understand that I'm a potential threat to them.

01:41:59.000 I'm not food.

01:42:00.000 I'm a threat.

01:42:02.000 A fret. 1.00

01:42:03.000 Fuck. 1.00

01:42:04.000 He's crazy. 1.00

01:42:05.000 They understand he's fucking crazy. 1.00

01:42:08.000 One of those lines just needs to go, no, you're fucking not, and you're in some trouble. 1.00

01:42:13.000 I'm ready to put this down. 0.99

01:42:14.000 Yeah, I mean, that tissue paper skin that we have covering this fucking water balloon of blood that we call a body. 0.99

01:42:22.000 They're used to tearing open like friggin buffalo and shit like that. 1.00

01:42:25.000 Things in thick hide. 1.00

01:42:27.000 We ain't nothing.

01:42:28.000 We're nothing, man.

01:42:29.000 Oh, Jesus.

01:42:30.000 What is he doing?

01:42:31.000 Why does he have a crocodile? 1.00

01:42:33.000 Why is he putting a lasso around a fucking crocodile? 1.00

01:42:35.000 This guy's crazy. 1.00

01:42:36.000 He fed it a coconut. 1.00

01:42:38.000 He fed it a coconut?

01:42:39.000 Yeah.

01:42:40.000 Why did he feed it a coconut?

01:42:41.000 Why not?

01:42:42.000 Like to put it in its mouth so it can't bite? 1.00

01:42:45.000 Okay, give me some volume of this crazy fuck. 1.00

01:42:46.000 He must be in Africa because you can't. 1.00

01:42:49.000 Oh, shit. 1.00

01:42:52.000 Stay, he says. 1.00

01:42:53.000 Stay.

01:42:54.000 I do the same thing.

01:42:56.000 I start talking to animals and I'm like, they don't understand English. 0.99

01:43:00.000 There's no use telling them to calm down or not fucking eat you. 0.98

01:43:02.000 This dude doesn't even have shoes on. 0.99

01:43:03.000 The closing pressure of a crocodile is around 3,500 pounds per square inch.

01:43:09.000 Compare this to us humans and it's only 200 pounds per square inch.

01:43:13.000 And you'll soon realise why this guy deserves the title as nature's vice. 0.99

01:43:24.000 This crazy fucker has a coconut in the crocodile's mouth and he's trying to get the crocodile to crack a coconut for him. 1.00

01:43:32.000 Oh my god. 1.00

01:43:34.000 He's a stud, dude.

01:43:36.000 He's awesome, yeah.

01:43:38.000 So what does this guy do for a living? 0.97

01:43:40.000 Fucking YouTube and stuff for, I don't know, some network. 0.99

01:43:44.000 Tickle, tickle, tickle. 0.99

01:43:46.000 He's actually a real nomad, to tell you the truth.

01:43:49.000 Really?

01:43:50.000 Yeah.

01:43:50.000 Just lives out in the bush?

01:43:51.000 Yeah.

01:43:53.000 Jesus.

01:43:54.000 But, I mean, doesn't he have to feed himself?

01:43:56.000 Does he have a job? 1.00

01:43:59.000 He does some crazy shit. 1.00

01:44:01.000 He's about to do some massive trek, dude, with nothing and just walk through some wild country. 0.99

01:44:08.000 And so one of the reasons why he was in Arnhem Land with me up north was he's trying to learn off the indigenous about a lot of the bush tucker, like a lot of the food that he can find out in the bush, like yams and different like fruits and stuff like that.

01:44:23.000 He knows all the wildlife stuff that he can eat, but the indigenous have spent a long time trying to work out what they can and can't eat. 1.00

01:44:32.000 And there's heaps of things that you can eat, but they've got to be boiled for a certain amount of period.

01:44:36.000 You can only eat to this far into it and things like that. 0.97

01:44:40.000 I've always fucking cark it, dude. 0.86

01:44:43.000 I don't know if it's a root or a type of fruit, and you definitely can't eat it. 0.97

01:44:47.000 They crush it up and they put it in the water and it takes all the oxygen out of the water and all the fish floats.

01:44:52.000 Oh, I've seen that in South America.

01:44:53.000 Yeah, okay, yeah.

01:44:54.000 So imagine how long it took to work out that actually worked.

01:44:57.000 Like, that's crazy, isn't it?

01:44:58.000 That's another thing that they eat in Bolivia, cassava.

01:45:03.000 You ever heard of that?

01:45:04.000 No, I haven't, no.

01:45:05.000 It's a root that if you eat it raw, it's super toxic.

01:45:10.000 There's a whole really involved process where you have to soak it, and then you have to drain it, and they have to cook it, and then it turns it into, there's actually cyanide that comes out of it.

01:45:27.000 Yeah, see if you can find a video, Jamie, on preparation of cassava.

01:45:34.000 But this cassava is apparently...

01:45:36.000 Rinello was telling me about it.

01:45:38.000 That's what it was.

01:45:39.000 Rinello...

01:45:40.000 I've read about it before, but Rinello was telling me how poisonous it is.

01:45:45.000 That the stuff that they... 0.99

01:45:47.000 Fuck, it looks like Bert. 1.00

01:45:49.000 It does. 1.00

01:45:50.000 Bert wishes he looked that good. 0.99

01:45:52.000 That's like Bert's gay lover. 0.99

01:45:54.000 That's what it looks like. 0.98

01:45:56.000 So, they have these buckets around the camp.

01:46:00.000 Jamie, you've got to find a better video than this.

01:46:02.000 This guy's so good.

01:46:03.000 All the rest of it are just recipes that someone was preparing at the start.

01:46:08.000 Well, there's a really involved process in order to cook it.

01:46:12.000 Yeah, so you either get it right and... 0.61

01:46:15.000 Or you're dead. 0.99

01:46:15.000 You're dead, yeah. 0.99

01:46:17.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:46:18.000 Just amazing that they figured this out.

01:46:20.000 So you have to do all the stuff to it and prepare it.

01:46:23.000 And the actual buckets of liquid, they were saying, Ranella was talking about how they just leave them around the camp.

01:46:29.000 And he was like, what if a kid drinks that?

01:46:32.000 It's like, they don't.

01:46:34.000 So she's cooking it up.

01:46:36.000 Just got some way to...

01:46:37.000 Anyway.

01:46:39.000 Anyway.

01:46:40.000 But yeah, I mean, how long did it take them to figure out that if they can grind that plant up, throw it in the water, that the fish will suffocate?

01:46:45.000 How many people died eating it themselves because it looks like a fruit?

01:46:48.000 Yeah.

01:46:48.000 And there's so many in the Australian Outback that...

01:46:52.000 Look and smell and even taste good, but man, they'll kill you.

01:46:56.000 Isn't that crazy when you think about the trial and error involved in figuring out what you can and can't eat?

01:47:01.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:47:02.000 Motherfucker. 1.00

01:47:02.000 Now we've got all these books. 1.00

01:47:04.000 At least it takes the mystery out of stuff like that.

01:47:07.000 But even then, people screw it up.

01:47:08.000 Oh, for sure.

01:47:09.000 All the time with mushrooms?

01:47:10.000 Yeah.

01:47:10.000 I nearly did it the other day.

01:47:12.000 There's one that...

01:47:14.000 It sort of tastes similar to an apple, but a little bit like on the sour side, if it was an unripe apple.

01:47:21.000 It's completely edible.

01:47:23.000 There's another one that looks nearly exactly the same of it.

01:47:25.000 It drops the same pink flower out of the bottom of it.

01:47:27.000 It's got this little spike that comes off it.

01:47:30.000 And so I'd been walking around eating these other ones because I didn't have hardly any food.

01:47:34.000 And then I'm like, oh, there's a frigging whole heap of them here.

01:47:36.000 And I grabbed them and just threw them in the backpack.

01:47:39.000 Got to this waterhole. 0.96

01:47:41.000 Cracked it open and just thought, shit, is it the same type? 0.96

01:47:44.000 And then I smelled it and straight away, it's not the same type. 0.97

01:47:46.000 It didn't have the same seeds or anything.

01:47:48.000 But how quick of a mistake to make. 0.87

01:47:50.000 And that one, that second one that I grabbed is really friggin' poisonous, dude. 0.50

01:47:54.000 So it's like, yeah, I need to carry a bush tucker book with me. 0.99

01:47:58.000 But at least there's those books out there now.

01:48:00.000 Fugu. 1.00

01:48:00.000 Oh, these fucking things. 1.00

01:48:02.000 Yeah, I've seen those. 1.00

01:48:02.000 Why even fuck around with it? 1.00

01:48:05.000 Yeah, they use them for sushi. 1.00

01:48:06.000 Yeah.

01:48:07.000 Apparently, like the really skillful sushi chefs, they slice through this thing and fillet it. 0.99

01:48:13.000 But what the fuck? 0.98

01:48:15.000 The smallest mistake in preparation could be fatal, but Tokyo City's government is planning to ease restrictions that allow only highly trained and licensed chef to serve the dish. 1.00

01:48:25.000 Fuck all that. 1.00

01:48:26.000 Well, just how about fucking eat some normal fish? 1.00

01:48:28.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:48:29.000 Eat some tuna, you crazy assholes. 1.00

01:48:31.000 But I think it's for people, they like a thrill of knowing that they're eating something that could kill you. 1.00

01:48:36.000 Yeah.

01:48:36.000 If prepared incorrectly.

01:48:38.000 This sounds like a fucking elk cunt in Montana. 1.00

01:48:40.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:48:43.000 So how good did that elk taste though, knowing all you went through it?

01:48:47.000 Well, because I was starving by the end.

01:48:49.000 You can only have limited food with you. 0.95

01:48:52.000 And then even though I come out of the wild, you know, like I come into town and bought the bullets, I didn't go to a store and be like, I'm going to load up on a heap of other food and shit.

01:49:02.000 For me, that was going to wreck the trip, you know? 0.76

01:49:04.000 So I'd just go into town, grab the bullets. 0.99

01:49:06.000 Yeah, fucking would. 1.00

01:49:07.000 It was a challenge. 1.00

01:49:08.000 So you wanted to live off the land?

01:49:09.000 I did, yeah.

01:49:09.000 I wanted to live off the land.

01:49:10.000 But you must have brought some food with you, right?

01:49:12.000 Yeah, like, so the first, probably the first 11 days I ate pretty good.

01:49:17.000 What did you bring with you?

01:49:19.000 Dehydration meals, you know, little energy bars, just, because everything's got to be light, you know.

01:49:25.000 So most everything was dehydrated, or just like a light type of food, you know, as simple as it is.

01:49:32.000 And then... 0.98

01:49:33.000 Heaps of chocolate bars, actually, they're not that light, but fuck, you need them when you're out there. 0.98

01:49:38.000 You need to pack that energy back on and keep going. 0.97

01:49:40.000 So heaps of chocolate bars, and then...

01:49:43.000 Any specific ones do you use, or just any one you can get?

01:49:46.000 Just whatever I can get.

01:49:48.000 Just regular chocolate or Snickers bars? 0.99

01:49:50.000 Yeah, Snickers, shit like that. 0.99

01:49:51.000 Just calories. 0.99

01:49:52.000 Yeah, just calories.

01:49:53.000 Half the chocolate bars in America, I don't even know what they are. 0.99

01:49:56.000 And then I open them up, and I'm like, ah, that's shit, you know? 0.99

01:49:58.000 It's... 0.98

01:50:01.000 Because it's so different back in Australia, but we do have Snickers, but we've got a Mars bar.

01:50:06.000 You don't have a Mars bar here, it's called a Milky Way.

01:50:09.000 No, we have Mars.

01:50:09.000 Oh, do you?

01:50:10.000 I couldn't find them anywhere, and they're my favourite.

01:50:12.000 Oh, they have Mars bars here.

01:50:13.000 Oh, do they?

01:50:14.000 I must have went to the wrong store. 1.00

01:50:15.000 I was fucking dirty. 0.98

01:50:17.000 But I bought some Milky Ways, which are different back in Australia as well, and they're more similar to a Mars bar, so... 0.99

01:50:22.000 But yeah, so the first 11 days I ate pretty well, but I'd still, if I could spare food, like if I could shoot a grouse, I'd eat that.

01:50:28.000 If I come across berries, I'd eat those.

01:50:32.000 And I sort of had contact with April Vokey, who's like riding the outdoors and fly fishing and stuff.

01:50:39.000 You had her out in Australia on your podcast as well, right?

01:50:42.000 Yeah, I did, yeah.

01:50:42.000 And she's hunted with us a few times.

01:50:45.000 And Kim and her get along like a house on fire, so it works out good.

01:50:49.000 Is a house on fire good?

01:50:50.000 You don't have that saying either?

01:50:52.000 Get along like a house on fire.

01:50:54.000 That seems like a terrible way to get along. 1.00

01:50:57.000 If your house is on fire, you're fucking furious and sad. 0.99

01:50:59.000 If you're the fire... 1.00

01:51:01.000 That's a fuck saying, eh? 1.00

01:51:03.000 That's a weird one. 0.99

01:51:04.000 There's a few of those weird ones, and I'm like, how'd they even come up with that?

01:51:07.000 That one right there.

01:51:08.000 Yeah, house on fire.

01:51:09.000 Or, you know, like, jump the gun.

01:51:10.000 Did they actually jump the gun?

01:51:12.000 Yeah, well, that's a jump in the starting block.

01:51:14.000 You know, ready, set, bang.

01:51:15.000 Why don't they just say jump the noise?

01:51:17.000 No, jump the gun makes sense.

01:51:19.000 Makes more sense than get along like a house on fire. 1.00

01:51:22.000 Unless you're the fire, because you're fucking burning up. 0.99

01:51:24.000 You're going blazing, so... 0.99

01:51:26.000 Okay.

01:51:27.000 Could look at it like that as well.

01:51:28.000 I see where you're going with that.

01:51:29.000 Yeah.

01:51:31.000 So, April was sort of my go-to person.

01:51:34.000 Like, if I had reception, I'd take a photo and be like, can I eat this?

01:51:38.000 Can I eat this?

01:51:39.000 The worst thing is, because sometimes she'd be busy, I'd be collecting heaps of them.

01:51:43.000 Like, I'd need them.

01:51:44.000 She'd be like, definitely not. 1.00

01:51:45.000 And I'd be like, fuck! 1.00

01:51:46.000 Fuck! 1.00

01:51:48.000 But most things just from taste and a few things I already knew. 1.00

01:51:52.000 But there'd be some areas, especially up high, where those bears were, where I've seen that grizzly in Colorado, there was berries everywhere, and that's obviously why the bears were there.

01:52:00.000 Oh, okay.

01:52:01.000 And you ate those berries?

01:52:02.000 Yeah.

01:52:02.000 What kind?

01:52:03.000 Yeah. 0.84

01:52:04.000 Like friggin' raspberries, blueberries. 0.95

01:52:07.000 There's those rose nips. 0.84

01:52:11.000 Do you know those?

01:52:12.000 They don't look edible, and they're pretty hard, but they're really good for you.

01:52:16.000 But if you eat too many of them, they'll make you feel itchy.

01:52:18.000 Itchy?

01:52:19.000 Yeah.

01:52:19.000 Which I never felt itchy, but I didn't want to get to that point, like, walking around hunting and be like...

01:52:23.000 Really?

01:52:24.000 They make you itchy?

01:52:25.000 Yeah.

01:52:25.000 When's the 2.30 crack give a light?

01:52:28.000 What was the word that you used?

01:52:30.000 Bush something?

01:52:31.000 Bush tucker.

01:52:32.000 Bush tucker.

01:52:32.000 What does that mean?

01:52:33.000 Tucker. 1.00

01:52:34.000 Fuck, you Americans need to come up the scratch, right? 1.00

01:52:36.000 Oh, shut up, you mole. 1.00

01:52:37.000 Yeah, good one. 1.00

01:52:41.000 You fucking mole. 1.00

01:52:42.000 You fucking mole. 1.00

01:52:42.000 And you can't say fucking as in I-N-G. It's got to be E-N on the end of it. 1.00

01:52:47.000 Fucking. 0.99

01:52:48.000 You would say E-N. We would say I-N and then put an apostrophe. 1.00

01:52:51.000 Yeah, right. 1.00

01:52:52.000 Fucking. 1.00

01:52:52.000 Nah, fucking. 1.00

01:52:53.000 Yeah, you've got to say fucking mole. 1.00

01:52:55.000 Fucking mole. 1.00

01:52:56.000 Yeah, there you go. 1.00

01:52:57.000 See how Australian it sounds straight away?

01:52:59.000 I could fit right in.

01:52:59.000 Perfect.

01:53:00.000 You'd get right in.

01:53:00.000 I just have to get used to driving on the wrong side of the road.

01:53:02.000 No, it's the right side, I'm pretty sure.

01:53:06.000 But yeah, so April was my go-to girl.

01:53:08.000 Bush Tucker.

01:53:09.000 What does that mean, though?

01:53:10.000 Bush Tucker's food.

01:53:12.000 Huh?

01:53:13.000 Food.

01:53:13.000 Bush Tucker?

01:53:14.000 Tucker's food.

01:53:15.000 Tuck.

01:53:16.000 Tucker.

01:53:17.000 Yeah, Tucker's food.

01:53:18.000 Let's go get some Tucker. 0.95

01:53:19.000 Yeah, let's go get some Tucker.

01:53:20.000 Like, we'll go get some Tucker.

01:53:21.000 Have you ever heard that, young Jamie?

01:53:23.000 No.

01:53:24.000 You're acting like this is normal.

01:53:26.000 It is very normal.

01:53:27.000 For who?

01:53:28.000 For...

01:53:29.000 For Australians.

01:53:30.000 Is this like a dialect you picked up in the Outback?

01:53:32.000 No, it's pretty normal.

01:53:33.000 Bush Tucker.

01:53:34.000 Food.

01:53:35.000 Thank God for Google.

01:53:36.000 Also called bush food is any food native to Australia and used as sustenance by the original inhabitants, the Aboriginal Australians, but can also describe native flora or fauna.

01:53:47.000 Yeah.

01:53:48.000 Flora or fauna.

01:53:49.000 Yeah.

01:53:49.000 So that was something did you pick up from the indigenous people?

01:53:54.000 No, I think I was just...

01:53:56.000 Rays like that, you know. 1.00

01:53:57.000 So it's just a phrase.

01:53:59.000 Yeah, obviously I grew up out in the bush.

01:54:01.000 Bush Tucker.

01:54:02.000 Whoa, what is that?

01:54:02.000 So the bush is the woods.

01:54:04.000 Marlu is what you call a kangaroo?

01:54:06.000 Yeah, they're indigenous names there.

01:54:08.000 Marlu...

01:54:09.000 Bardura...

01:54:11.000 What is that word?

01:54:13.000 That looks like...

01:54:17.000 It could be magpie geese.

01:54:18.000 And what is that one?

01:54:20.000 That'd be magpie geese. 0.99

01:54:20.000 What is that? 0.99

01:54:21.000 How's that word?

01:54:22.000 Yalibeeri? 0.98

01:54:23.000 That's anemia, yeah.

01:54:24.000 Right.

01:54:25.000 Yalibeeri? 0.98

01:54:25.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:54:26.000 And so, do the people, the indigenous people, they eat kangaroos? 1.00

01:54:30.000 Yeah, yeah, definitely.

01:54:31.000 Kangaroos, wallabies, goingers.

01:54:32.000 You ever eat kangaroo?

01:54:33.000 Yep, yep, plenty of times.

01:54:34.000 What's it taste like?

01:54:35.000 Um...

01:54:36.000 It's a very rich red meat.

01:54:39.000 Like a really, really rich red meat.

01:54:41.000 Good?

01:54:42.000 It's delicious, yeah.

01:54:43.000 And it's super lean, like there's no fat content to it at all.

01:54:46.000 And so do you buy it in a store?

01:54:47.000 You can. 1.00

01:54:48.000 Whoa, what the fuck is that, man? 1.00

01:54:50.000 That's bullshit. 1.00

01:54:51.000 Really? 1.00

01:54:51.000 Yeah, that's not right. 1.00

01:54:53.000 It's bullshit. 1.00

01:54:54.000 How's it bullshit? 1.00

01:54:55.000 The guy's holding it. 1.00

01:54:55.000 That's not fucking a real grub. 1.00

01:54:58.000 It's not a real grub? 0.99

01:54:59.000 No.

01:55:00.000 Nah, it's like a wood grub or a witchy grub.

01:55:02.000 They're good eating.

01:55:03.000 Oh, so it's not really that big.

01:55:05.000 No way, no.

01:55:07.000 What's that?

01:55:07.000 They're good grubs there.

01:55:08.000 They'd be witchy grubs there. 0.94

01:55:09.000 Good grubs.

01:55:10.000 Yeah.

01:55:11.000 Hold on.

01:55:11.000 So you see those, oh, them's good grubs.

01:55:14.000 Like, you'd go eat those.

01:55:15.000 Yeah, have you seen my videos?

01:55:16.000 Oh, that's Bush Tucker.

01:55:17.000 That's Bush Tucker.

01:55:18.000 We're eating good grubs.

01:55:19.000 When I've been building the cabin and I'm stripping the bark off it, you'll see all those grubs and I get them and I cook them up and eat them.

01:55:26.000 Just like peanut butter, mate, but better.

01:55:28.000 They taste like peanut butter?

01:55:30.000 Yep, they do, yep.

01:55:30.000 Really?

01:55:31.000 Yep, probably even better than peanut butter.

01:55:33.000 What kind of peanut butter do you guys have in Australia?

01:55:35.000 They're pretty good.

01:55:36.000 What is that?

01:55:36.000 A honey ant?

01:55:37.000 Yeah, honey ants, sugar ants.

01:55:39.000 Those are good?

01:55:39.000 Yeah, they're good.

01:55:40.000 You eat those?

01:55:40.000 Yeah, and if you run out of tea or if you want a hot drink and you're out in the bush, then you'd boil your water and then you'd get a heap of those in a leaf or on a leaf and you'd dip them in your hot water and it makes a nice tea, but it's sweetened already from the ant.

01:55:57.000 They carry a sugary taste on them.

01:55:59.000 Whoa. 0.99

01:56:00.000 So that little thing on their butt is actually honey? 0.99

01:56:03.000 Yep. 0.99

01:56:03.000 They have a little bubble pack of honey? 0.99

01:56:05.000 Well, it's not really honey, but it tastes like honey.

01:56:08.000 Really?

01:56:08.000 It looks like honey, though.

01:56:09.000 Yep.

01:56:10.000 Well, what is it?

01:56:10.000 I'm pretty sure bees are the only things that can produce honey.

01:56:13.000 Wow, that's crazy, though.

01:56:15.000 That's their abdomen, essentially, right?

01:56:16.000 Yep.

01:56:17.000 So it looks like those black things on the top is like their abdomen is separated, rather?

01:56:22.000 That's weird.

01:56:22.000 It looks like it's sucking on a bottle.

01:56:24.000 Yeah, it's got something in Photoshop to honey.

01:56:26.000 Yeah.

01:56:29.000 That's so strange.

01:56:31.000 So, it's only strange because we don't eat it, but imagine those things were grown on a farm and harvested for mass production, no different than lamb or...

01:56:42.000 I know we...

01:56:42.000 What insects do we eat?

01:56:44.000 None.

01:56:44.000 Which is friggin' weird.

01:56:45.000 Why wouldn't we eat insects?

01:56:46.000 They're food, right?

01:56:47.000 Well, crickets.

01:56:47.000 People are starting to eat crickets.

01:56:49.000 Yeah, and frogs and...

01:56:50.000 But crickets meaning bugs.

01:56:52.000 A lot of people eat crickets these days.

01:56:54.000 They're eating cricket protein powder.

01:56:56.000 It's very popular in America.

01:56:57.000 Yeah, okay.

01:56:58.000 Not very popular.

01:56:59.000 I shouldn't say very.

01:57:00.000 Like there's two people in all of America.

01:57:02.000 No, it's becoming more popular.

01:57:04.000 I think they have a nice cricket protein bar that you can buy.

01:57:08.000 I haven't tried them.

01:57:09.000 Yeah, okay.

01:57:10.000 But I've been to Mexico, but I've heard good things about them.

01:57:13.000 But I've been in Mexico, and we went to this resort, and when you check into your hotel room, they have like a little bowl of fried crickets.

01:57:20.000 Really?

01:57:20.000 Yeah, like with chili powder and stuff.

01:57:22.000 Proudly strange.

01:57:24.000 What is that?

01:57:25.000 Is that the company?

01:57:26.000 Yes.

01:57:27.000 Exo.

01:57:28.000 Oh, exo? 0.99

01:57:30.000 What's this goddamn pop-up ads? 0.98

01:57:32.000 So, exo, meaning exoskeleton, is crickets. 0.99

01:57:35.000 I don't understand why we wouldn't eat insects.

01:57:38.000 Well, we should.

01:57:39.000 Well, not only that, but vegans should eat them, because it's a great way to get B12, and most people don't really care that much about bugs.

01:57:46.000 It's like, the thing about vegans seems to be sentient animals and worrying about killing these feeling lifeforms, right?

01:57:56.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:57:56.000 And if that's the way they feel, they could be far healthier eating mollusks.

01:58:01.000 Mollusks are a big one. 1.00

01:58:02.000 They don't feel shit and they're fucking stupid. 1.00

01:58:05.000 Like mollusks, they say, are dumber than plants. 1.00

01:58:07.000 Like they're more primitive than plants. 0.98

01:58:09.000 The fact that they move is what freaks people out.

01:58:12.000 But does a vegan eat a Venus flytrap?

01:58:14.000 Would they eat that? 1.00

01:58:15.000 Because that thing fucking moves too. 1.00

01:58:17.000 Well, plants fucking move. 1.00

01:58:18.000 They just take a long time to move and grow. 1.00

01:58:20.000 Exactly.

01:58:20.000 But crickets are a really good source of protein.

01:58:23.000 So if someone wants to get animal or some sort of living protein, particularly like the nutrients and amino acids that you can get from that kind of protein, just look into insects. 1.00

01:58:33.000 Don't die, you fuckers. 0.99

01:58:34.000 I'm going to start my own insect farming. 1.00

01:58:36.000 Do it, bitch. 1.00

01:58:37.000 Fuck, this is how you become a millionaire. 1.00

01:58:39.000 Seems like it's a tough sell. 1.00

01:58:43.000 I mean, trust me, I used to host Fear Factor.

01:58:46.000 But why? 0.96

01:58:46.000 Why the fuck is it a tough sell? 0.96

01:58:48.000 We're eating little lambs. 1.00

01:58:50.000 Well, not only that.

01:58:51.000 Cows.

01:58:51.000 Yep, yep.

01:58:52.000 Australia, we're eating kangaroos.

01:58:53.000 And how about crabs and lobsters, which are basically bugs.

01:58:56.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:58:57.000 Bugs live in the water.

01:58:58.000 Yeah, crickets in particular taste good.

01:59:00.000 I'm telling you, man, I was grubbing on those crickets in Mexico. 0.90

01:59:02.000 They had like a nice chili powder on them and they were fried and like...

01:59:05.000 So they're like crunchy.

01:59:07.000 Yeah, they were kind of salty, a little savory.

01:59:10.000 They were good.

01:59:10.000 Like, I would buy them.

01:59:12.000 Yeah, that sounds good.

01:59:13.000 These grubs that I'm talking about are delicious, dude.

01:59:15.000 That's where I draw the line.

01:59:16.000 Nah, full delicious.

01:59:18.000 It's just a...

01:59:19.000 Full delicious.

01:59:19.000 That's another thing that the Australians say, full.

01:59:22.000 Fully or full...

01:59:22.000 Full amazing.

01:59:24.000 Fully sick.

01:59:25.000 Yeah, fully sick. 1.00

01:59:26.000 Mad cunt. 1.00

01:59:27.000 That's a good one too. 1.00

01:59:29.000 Mad cunt is like a good expression. 0.99

01:59:31.000 That's like my favorite one. 1.00

01:59:31.000 Like Cameron Hayes is a mad cunt. 1.00

01:59:34.000 Cameron Hayes is a mad cunt, yeah. 1.00

01:59:36.000 I actually, some people, it might have been for me saying that, and they were like, where can I get a mad cunt shirt? 1.00

01:59:44.000 You're a mad cunt? 1.00

01:59:45.000 No, it would be a nice cunt. 1.00

01:59:47.000 Because you're either a nice cunt or a bad cunt. 1.00

01:59:50.000 Oh, right. 1.00

01:59:50.000 And the shirt that everyone wanted, I actually got one printed up, but it didn't come in time. 1.00

01:59:53.000 I was going to wear it here. 0.99

01:59:54.000 It just said, just be a nice cunt. 1.00

01:59:56.000 It's as simple as that. 1.00

01:59:58.000 Well, you guys are a very different use of the word cunt. 1.00

02:00:00.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:00:01.000 Cunt is like a good dude. 0.91

02:00:04.000 Well, well, can be. 1.00

02:00:06.000 So if you say mad cunt, if you say mad cunt, that's awesome. 1.00

02:00:11.000 That's a good compliment. 1.00

02:00:12.000 That's a bad motherfucker. 1.00

02:00:13.000 But if you're like, you're a fucking cunt. 1.00

02:00:14.000 Right. 1.00

02:00:15.000 No.

02:00:16.000 No.

02:00:16.000 That's interesting.

02:00:18.000 You have much more range with the word cunt than we do. 0.98

02:00:21.000 A lot of Australians, even though you're going to say yes or no, they're always like yeah. 1.00

02:00:28.000 So they start with yeah and then they're like nah.

02:00:30.000 Yeah, nah.

02:00:32.000 Yeah, nah.

02:00:33.000 I like that.

02:00:34.000 That's a good one.

02:00:35.000 I like using that one too.

02:00:36.000 That's a good one.

02:00:37.000 Or if you're going to say no, then go no.

02:00:42.000 You shake your head yes, but you say no.

02:00:46.000 What is that? 1.00

02:00:47.000 It means I don't give a fuck. 1.00

02:00:48.000 You pick what you want. 1.00

02:00:50.000 So you're nodding yes and saying no.

02:00:52.000 Kim will be like, should I this swimsuit?

02:00:56.000 And I'll be like, no.

02:01:00.000 You make your own mind up.

02:01:02.000 So you're shaking your head and nodding your head. 0.99

02:01:05.000 Whatever the fuck I say doesn't matter anyway. 0.99

02:01:07.000 She's going to get what she wants. 0.99

02:01:10.000 You know what I've developed?

02:01:11.000 I've developed an amazing ability to not listen when someone's talking.

02:01:15.000 That's what I've been doing this whole show.

02:01:17.000 Oh, man.

02:01:19.000 I don't mean with you.

02:01:20.000 I mean with my wife.

02:01:23.000 I can hear they talk about stuff that I, especially when my wife gets together with her friends, they can have a conversation.

02:01:29.000 I can be right there. 0.99

02:01:30.000 I don't hear a fucking thing. 0.99

02:01:31.000 I can be in a field just hearing chirp, chirp, chirp. 1.00

02:01:34.000 Exactly. 1.00

02:01:35.000 Kim's like, you're fucking, you're antisocial. 1.00

02:01:38.000 I'm like, no, I'm not antisocial. 1.00

02:01:39.000 I just don't have to talk about everything.

02:01:41.000 I'm quite happy sitting here quietly.

02:01:43.000 I just think there's a very big biological difference between the way women like to communicate and the way men. 0.65

02:01:49.000 Especially a guy like you, who does so much hunting, where it's very valuable to be quiet.

02:01:53.000 Yeah.

02:01:54.000 I've actually had some friends say to me, like...

02:01:57.000 That I'm very antisocial and it's like you're not interested in hanging out with us and stuff like that.

02:02:04.000 Do these friends hunt?

02:02:05.000 Yeah, they do.

02:02:06.000 But I like hunting solo. 0.71

02:02:09.000 But it's not like a choice that I'm like, oh, I'm not fucking taking him or I'm not inviting him or whatever. 0.51

02:02:14.000 But I'm just happy to do it alone.

02:02:16.000 So if I'm planning the trip, I don't necessarily plan it around someone else's time or something like that.

02:02:22.000 So they think you're antisocial because you don't invite them?

02:02:24.000 Because they wouldn't do it.

02:02:25.000 Well, yeah, and they're a little bit like, they're also like, how can you just go out there by yourself like that?

02:02:31.000 Like, don't you get bored or don't you miss talking to someone or whatever?

02:02:35.000 And it's taken me years to figure it out.

02:02:37.000 Like, why am I so comfortable being by myself or not saying a word in a crowd of people that are talking?

02:02:43.000 And like, you know, my past growing up, but a lot of it's been from my past growing up.

02:02:50.000 And like, I've nailed it.

02:02:51.000 It's like, I grew up with people that were supposed to be loved ones that didn't show love at all.

02:02:56.000 In fact, they taught you the complete opposite.

02:02:59.000 Instead of teaching trust, they taught distrust. 1.00

02:03:01.000 Because this is supposed to be a person that's close and treats you well, and they're fucking treating you like shit. 1.00

02:03:06.000 So you slowly start moving away from... 1.00

02:03:10.000 Sort of mankind, in a sense, where...

02:03:13.000 Well, you start associating people with a negative feeling.

02:03:16.000 Exactly.

02:03:17.000 And so the way that I'd get treated, you know, growing up, was I'm better off by myself.

02:03:23.000 You know, I'm better off safer.

02:03:24.000 Kim sort of wrecks that now, but that's what I mean, how she's wrecked it. 0.95

02:03:28.000 But I grew up all those years knowing, you know, not to trust people and people are fucking actually dangerous and stuff like that.

02:03:35.000 So I'm happy being off by myself and doing my own thing.

02:03:39.000 And then, like I said, now it's different.

02:03:41.000 I've got my own family and I know the complete opposite.

02:03:43.000 I trust and love and everything like that.

02:03:45.000 But isn't also the hunting thing for you that when you're hunting, you're just locked in on the task at hand?

02:03:52.000 To a degree, definitely.

02:03:54.000 So you don't want someone with you that's going to mess it up or making noise?

02:03:59.000 Well, no.

02:03:59.000 No?

02:04:00.000 Because I'm not a self...

02:04:01.000 That sort of sounds a little bit selfish.

02:04:04.000 No, I don't mean it that way.

02:04:05.000 I don't mean it that way.

02:04:05.000 What I mean is that you're focused.

02:04:08.000 Definitely focused.

02:04:08.000 Not even that you don't need anybody else, but when you're focused, you really don't need anybody else.

02:04:13.000 It's just the task at hand.

02:04:15.000 No, that's right.

02:04:15.000 Yeah, just you against the elements.

02:04:17.000 Yeah.

02:04:18.000 Yeah.

02:04:20.000 I think it's that.

02:04:21.000 It's pushing myself. 1.00

02:04:23.000 I love the fucking wilderness. 1.00

02:04:25.000 Like, it's just as simple as that. 0.99

02:04:26.000 And Joe, like, I always feel like I love the society we live in and this whole system.

02:04:31.000 But it's not the system that I've designed for myself.

02:04:35.000 Right. 0.98

02:04:35.000 Like, I'd love to go back fucking 10,000 years, dude. 0.98

02:04:38.000 Jesus. 0.99

02:04:39.000 And be living then. 0.97

02:04:39.000 You would have a shitty bow, though. 0.97

02:04:41.000 Fuck it. 1.00

02:04:42.000 All your arrows would weigh different amounts. 1.00

02:04:44.000 If I could, I'd be indigenous to Australia.

02:04:47.000 Would you?

02:04:47.000 And run around with a spear and boomerang, dude.

02:04:49.000 You'd be happy with that?

02:04:50.000 Oh, hell yeah.

02:04:51.000 I wouldn't be happy with that.

02:04:52.000 Not knowing what I know, though. 0.98

02:04:54.000 So this is the thing where Kim's fucked it for me. 1.00

02:04:56.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:04:57.000 Like, I wish she could just be a real bitch and nasty and not good looking, and then, you know, I'd be like, I am going walkabout. 1.00

02:05:03.000 Right. 1.00

02:05:04.000 I ain't coming back.

02:05:04.000 That's a funny expression, going walkabout.

02:05:07.000 That is a funny expression.

02:05:09.000 Walkabout.

02:05:09.000 Yeah, just...

02:05:10.000 Well, because they would.

02:05:11.000 It'd take them so far to get from wherever they were, you know, because they'd travel a lot.

02:05:17.000 There's actually...

02:05:18.000 I think there's some hard evidence now that Indigenous Australians, because there was symbols like right down on the east coast of Australia, the same exact symbols go all the way out the coast to the Northern Territory.

02:05:29.000 This is a five-day drive, by the way, that the Indigenous would walk that... 1.00

02:05:34.000 Five day drive.

02:05:36.000 Yeah, so walkabout.

02:05:37.000 Like Kevin used to walk from community.

02:05:39.000 So that's built by the Australian government to house the indigenous people.

02:05:43.000 Then they also have, we call it on country, but like an out community just for his mob on his land. 0.77

02:05:52.000 So Kevin's a traditional owner just for his mob on his land.

02:05:55.000 They would walk that.

02:05:56.000 It would take them five days to walk it.

02:05:58.000 And then, so if they went out on country for a while and hunted and stuff like that, let's say they spent another 20 or 30 days out there, maybe longer, then another five days walk, you can see why they called it walkabout.

02:06:09.000 They'd disappear, and that's how the sayings come up when you go away for a long time, is you've gone on walkabout, because they'd literally walk that distance, they'd be out on country...

02:06:18.000 For a certain amount of period and then come back.

02:06:21.000 So that's why I've sort of adopted as well, like when I go walkabout.

02:06:26.000 I go walkabout on Kim a fair bit.

02:06:30.000 The idea of driving five days, that they could walk it, and now these are different...

02:06:36.000 I mean, you were talking about all the different dialects and different tribes of people.

02:06:40.000 Now, what the hell did they do?

02:06:41.000 They encountered...

02:06:42.000 Well, sometimes there'd be war and stuff like that between mobs.

02:06:48.000 There'd be war and things like that because I think in most cases they'd try and avoid it and they'd have like their corridor that they walk through.

02:06:55.000 But they all had their own land, what they sort of pretty much call...

02:06:59.000 Well, I can't say they all had their own land because there's so many indigenous mobs and there was so many differences between them that some of them were just pure nomadic, you know, and just...

02:07:10.000 Did they have written language?

02:07:12.000 No.

02:07:14.000 I don't know.

02:07:16.000 I think their written language, friggin' don't quote me on this, was like the Dreamtime and the paintings and everything like that, and everyone tells a story.

02:07:25.000 What's getting lost is it's only the traditional elders that know those stories, and they've got to pass it on to the next generation.

02:07:30.000 So this is their story, this is their paintings, this is how the story goes.

02:07:34.000 When it gets lost is when the mob essentially dies out, you know, or it's not passed on down through the generations.

02:07:44.000 That's just so crazy that there's this enormous population of people and their stories not being told.

02:07:49.000 Yeah, it seems sad when I think about it.

02:07:53.000 In one sense, it seems really sad.

02:07:55.000 But in the other sense, it shouldn't matter to anyone else because it's just those people's language and their story.

02:08:01.000 So if they die, it's gone with them anyway.

02:08:04.000 Yeah, but I mean, it's still, just for the historical record, I think it'd be great for human, just the human race to understand that this is really a very little understood group of human beings.

02:08:17.000 Don't you hate that the mystery's getting taken out of everything, though?

02:08:21.000 Like, it's good to have all that information.

02:08:24.000 Like, go on Google and find out frigging the age of the last ice age or something like that, which is awesome, but it also cancels out all the mystery.

02:08:34.000 Like, we know that there's no other sort of monster crocodile in the waters anymore because the whole world's, like, right at our fingertips.

02:08:42.000 Instead of being able to have that mystery in our mind, like, oh, I wonder what's out the back there.

02:08:47.000 That's why I felt like there's no more last frontiers.

02:08:51.000 I love calling Arnhem Land the last frontier and places like Northwest Territories the last frontier because there's hardly any humans out there.

02:08:58.000 But the truth is it's all been discovered.

02:09:01.000 It's all pretty much been documented.

02:09:02.000 I sort of hate that.

02:09:03.000 You got some like real wanderlust, dude. 1.00

02:09:06.000 You got some like Lewis and Clark type shit in you. 0.99

02:09:09.000 That's why I'm like, I wish I could go back. 0.99

02:09:11.000 Like, there's nowhere to discover anymore.

02:09:13.000 Right.

02:09:13.000 Like, Stuart MacDonald, he was an alcoholic, but he's actually a real famous early explorer that come into Australia.

02:09:23.000 And Australia was convinced, or the people of Adelaide were convinced, that's where the first settlements were, that there was an inland ocean in Australia, because there's all these rivers running out from the centre of Australia.

02:09:35.000 Right.

02:09:36.000 And it couldn't be the opposite, as you know. 1.00

02:09:38.000 It's all fucking desert. 0.99

02:09:39.000 But they walked in and out of there so many times and so many men died. 0.99

02:09:43.000 And MacDonald Stewart himself nearly died a couple of times from starvation and no water because they were walking into the desert.

02:09:50.000 In the end, he was successful and he ended up walking all the way through to the top of Australia, dude.

02:09:58.000 We're good to go.

02:10:23.000 So crazy to think.

02:10:24.000 But some of the stories is he's got an awesome book.

02:10:29.000 Well, he doesn't have an awesome book because he's long gone, but there's an awesome book out on him called Mr. Stewart's Track.

02:10:35.000 And there's one point, because Indigenous, like they'd never encountered Indigenous and things like that as well.

02:10:41.000 They're walking into the centre of Australia where it was highly populated with Indigenous people.

02:10:45.000 No white people had ever been in there, no settlers before.

02:10:48.000 They were literally cutting the first tracks and drawing the maps, dude.

02:10:52.000 And they walk into one spot and Like, they've been three days or something without water.

02:10:59.000 Like, they're on the brink of death.

02:11:02.000 And they think it's like a miracle.

02:11:04.000 There's like a little well out there, like a clay-built well out in the middle of nowhere, and it's got this crystal clear water in it.

02:11:10.000 They keep the cattle and horses at bay, because cattle and horses would smell the water and just go in there and trash it before the men could get there.

02:11:17.000 So they keep the cattle and horses at bay.

02:11:19.000 They go in with their own canteens and fill them up and drink, and, you know, all the men are just getting as much water as they can.

02:11:26.000 Then they've let the horses and cattle go so they can have a drink.

02:11:31.000 Now the horses and cattle come in there and they trample this whole well like it ends up going back to dust because they cave it all in.

02:11:37.000 They drink as much water as they can, they cave it all in and the water pretty much dissipates.

02:11:43.000 Then they ride out for three or four days and they can't find water.

02:11:48.000 And they've run out of the water that they collected there.

02:11:50.000 They turn back to there.

02:11:53.000 And it might have even been longer.

02:11:54.000 It might have been a couple of weeks.

02:11:55.000 It might have been on the way back after not being able to go any further.

02:11:59.000 And they come back there and there's all these Aborigines there dead. 1.00

02:12:04.000 Because the Aborigines were the ones that would put the well in there. 1.00

02:12:06.000 They walk days and days and they would just have a water source...

02:12:11.000 At the last point.

02:12:12.000 So they'd just go.

02:12:13.000 They knew water was there.

02:12:15.000 They'd drink.

02:12:15.000 They'd be able to make it the next three or four days to the next bit of water.

02:12:18.000 They get there.

02:12:19.000 It's fully caved in.

02:12:21.000 They can't get to the water.

02:12:22.000 There's a whole mob of Indigenous people dead there.

02:12:25.000 They knew they couldn't go on any further.

02:12:27.000 At least all the ones that were dead there knew they couldn't go on any further.

02:12:31.000 And they died right there, and there was no water, there was no well there anymore, like the cattle had just trampled it.

02:12:36.000 And one thing, like as if that's not crazy enough, but one thing that I always think about is, imagine the Indigenous people coming across these hooves prints like that, because there's nothing in Australia.

02:12:48.000 You've got to think, they're all...

02:12:49.000 The biggest animals running around in Australia were like kangaroos, dude.

02:12:53.000 They'd have these little toad legs, and then they'd come across these massive prints for the first time that have just...

02:12:58.000 Devastated their last drinking hole before they move on to the next place.

02:13:03.000 Crazy stories in this book.

02:13:04.000 So there's no way to dig down deeper to restart the well?

02:13:08.000 I guess not.

02:13:09.000 I guess at that point you're already so dehydrated, but you're walking to a point that you think that there's water because you build a well and then there's not anymore.

02:13:18.000 Not that I very much doubt they would have given up because they're hardy people, but whatever they tried to do obviously wasn't enough. 1.00

02:13:25.000 Fucking white people. 1.00

02:13:27.000 We ruin everything. 1.00

02:13:28.000 I know.

02:13:28.000 Isn't that a horrible story?

02:13:30.000 White people ruin everything. 1.00

02:13:32.000 I hate to say it. 0.99

02:13:32.000 We've done a lot of good. 0.99

02:13:34.000 Don't get me wrong.

02:13:35.000 I'm a big fan of white people.

02:13:36.000 Yeah.

02:13:36.000 But man...

02:13:37.000 But so see the mystery behind... 0.99

02:13:40.000 Fucking just walking into the center, even though it's a horrible mystery to go through. 0.99

02:13:44.000 You know, that's what I mean. 0.99

02:13:45.000 At least a heap of us don't have to die walking in the middle of Australia thinking, I'm going to go in there fishing.

02:13:50.000 There's an inland ocean somewhere, and you never come across it.

02:13:52.000 You're out in the middle of the desert.

02:13:53.000 But at the same time, it takes away from all the mystery in life, you know?

02:13:57.000 See, you look at things way different than me.

02:13:59.000 Because you have that wanderlust.

02:14:01.000 You have that, I want to go out and find the hidden things. 1.00

02:14:05.000 I don't have any of that shit. 0.98

02:14:06.000 I'm like, okay, where's the water? 1.00

02:14:09.000 Yeah.

02:14:09.000 No, no, no.

02:14:10.000 Show me on a map.

02:14:11.000 Where's the water?

02:14:11.000 Okay.

02:14:12.000 What kind of equipment do we need?

02:14:14.000 What are we doing?

02:14:15.000 Do we have a backup gun?

02:14:17.000 What if we get charged?

02:14:20.000 You and I are very different in that regard.

02:14:22.000 I have no desire to go to uncharted territory and find some new monkey.

02:14:25.000 It's not the risk that's appealing.

02:14:28.000 What is it?

02:14:31.000 Just a wanderlust.

02:14:32.000 It must be.

02:14:33.000 It just must be.

02:14:34.000 You have legit wanderlust.

02:14:36.000 That cave system that you put a picture up of before that I took photos of, a lot of people have asked, like, where is that?

02:14:42.000 But... 0.85

02:14:43.000 For me personally, I'd like to keep that undocumented because it seems once a place is known, it's no different than a good fishing or a hunting spot that gets fucking ruined. 1.00

02:14:52.000 And that cave system, for starters, it's not up to me because, you know, that'd be up to the traditional owners to want to put that out there for people to go and look at.

02:15:02.000 It's not up to me, so I can't share that information.

02:15:04.000 Yeah.

02:15:05.000 For me personally, I don't want that to be documented because I know as soon as it's documented, rubbish will show up there. 0.91

02:15:10.000 Some dickheads will show up there and spray paint or scribble on it or want to write their own initials. 0.99

02:15:15.000 Some shit like that. 1.00

02:15:17.000 Some places are better off... 1.00

02:15:21.000 Undocumented.

02:15:21.000 Well, the human race has got to evolve past that.

02:15:24.000 And that's a big order, obviously.

02:15:26.000 It's a very tall order.

02:15:28.000 But God, we've got to evolve past that. 0.97

02:15:29.000 But it fucking won't, dude. 0.88

02:15:31.000 There's been good people and bad people since the dawn of man. 0.98

02:15:34.000 Right.

02:15:35.000 But I think there's more good people now than ever before.

02:15:37.000 Oh, definitely.

02:15:38.000 More informed people now than ever before.

02:15:40.000 We just got to keep progressing along the same lines.

02:15:42.000 And I think that progress is accelerating.

02:15:45.000 And I would just hope that more people in the future would have more appreciation for...

02:15:49.000 What that is is this incredible historical resource.

02:15:54.000 We're talking about 65,000 years of people in this area.

02:15:57.000 Who knows how old those paintings are?

02:15:59.000 They could be thousands of years old, right?

02:16:00.000 Has anybody done a carbon dating on them or anything?

02:16:03.000 I'm sure there has been.

02:16:05.000 I'm sure there has been many times.

02:16:07.000 They find those in Texas sometimes from Native Americans.

02:16:10.000 They'll find them in caves.

02:16:12.000 You just find a cave system and then you just encounter these pictographs.

02:16:15.000 When I was hunting in New Mexico, so I tagged out and then, like, I didn't want the hunt to end.

02:16:22.000 The hunt was done, sorry, I didn't have any tags left.

02:16:24.000 I didn't want the experience to end.

02:16:26.000 You know, that's why I said it's never, ever been about, you know, just killing an animal.

02:16:30.000 It's about the whole adventure, the whole package.

02:16:33.000 And I was with an outfitter and the guide's like, oh, you tagged out, what do you want to do?

02:16:37.000 I'm like, well...

02:16:38.000 Let's go exploring and go walking still and just, you know, take photos of the countryside or whatever.

02:16:44.000 You put that all up on your blog too, right?

02:16:45.000 Was it in a magazine?

02:16:46.000 It was in a magazine, that one.

02:16:48.000 I read that.

02:16:49.000 Actually, it might be on bowsite.com.

02:16:51.000 Okay.

02:16:51.000 I think I did a live one.

02:16:52.000 Anyway, go up on top of this mesa and you can see these rock...

02:16:57.000 Like a rock in Ushakes, which used to be like the Anasazi Indians. 0.97

02:17:02.000 That's how they used to have their housing and stuff like that.

02:17:05.000 Perfect spot, right up high, looking down onto these big meadows.

02:17:08.000 It would have been the perfect place to, if other tribes were coming in, you'd be able to see them.

02:17:13.000 And if any animals were moving through there, you'd be able to see them.

02:17:17.000 Just the perfect spot.

02:17:18.000 We get up there, and as I get to the top, the first thing you find is a bunch of pottery.

02:17:24.000 And the Anasazis had a certain colour.

02:17:26.000 I think it was the white with the black riding on the pottery.

02:17:30.000 And the Navajos had the orange with the white riding on the pottery.

02:17:34.000 And there's both types sitting in this area.

02:17:36.000 So I don't know if there's a bit of confusion or maybe I'm lacking a bit of information there.

02:17:40.000 But as far as I've looked in, it was the Anasazi Indians.

02:17:44.000 And it's the whole way around there.

02:17:45.000 Like, this must have been some major site.

02:17:48.000 Dude, I found the perfect stone broadhead just sitting right there on a rock. 0.99

02:17:54.000 Wow.

02:17:55.000 And it just rained, so everything was clean.

02:17:57.000 Like, everything was clean.

02:17:58.000 I picked it up, and, like, my mind boggled straight away.

02:18:01.000 Like...

02:18:02.000 How did this get here?

02:18:04.000 Who held it?

02:18:05.000 Did they shoot it?

02:18:06.000 Who sharpened it?

02:18:07.000 The history behind it.

02:18:10.000 So we kept walking around.

02:18:12.000 I found a full axe head, dude.

02:18:14.000 Obviously, the timber's gone off the axe because it's been there for so long.

02:18:17.000 The timber's just rotted into nothing.

02:18:19.000 The axe head's sitting there perfect.

02:18:21.000 We end up finding three axe heads, Indian pendant, with a perfect little hole scribed in it and just... 0.61

02:18:29.000 Like, crazy dude.

02:18:30.000 Did you bring that bag with you? 0.79

02:18:31.000 Yep, yep.

02:18:32.000 Because it was private land, I was able to take it.

02:18:34.000 Did you take a photo of the broadhead? 0.65

02:18:37.000 Yep, I got all that documented.

02:18:38.000 Those fascinate me. 0.68

02:18:40.000 I was nearly going to give you the broadhead, and I'm like, that's taking it too fucking far. 0.89

02:18:44.000 I don't deserve it. 0.99

02:18:45.000 You can have the buff skull.

02:18:46.000 Like, I shed a tear just parting with that buffalo skull. 1.00

02:18:49.000 It's a fucking joke. 0.99

02:18:52.000 It doesn't matter, they all mean something to me. 1.00

02:18:53.000 You probably killed 50 last week.

02:18:55.000 They all mean something to me.

02:18:57.000 That's what Bert was saying today.

02:18:58.000 He killed like nine things this week!

02:19:00.000 I follow his Instagram page!

02:19:02.000 He killed a dog!

02:19:09.000 The cat thing is what freaks people out about Australians.

02:19:12.000 The dog freaks people.

02:19:15.000 It's no different than shooting a coyote here or a problem animal.

02:19:19.000 Dingoes are one of the first, they believe, one of the first introduced species into Australia and come with the indigenous population at some point.

02:19:27.000 Oh, so they came with the indigenous people. 0.95

02:19:28.000 Yeah.

02:19:29.000 So the indigenous people when they got there...

02:19:32.000 The problem with wild dogs is...

02:19:33.000 Dingoes, sorry, is most of them aren't dingoes anymore because there's been a wild dog population that's sort of peppered through there as well.

02:19:41.000 Dingoes and normal dogs, like a domestic dog that's gone wild, have now interbred.

02:19:47.000 And I'm pretty sure the only place you can find a purebred dingo now is on Fraser Island in Australia.

02:19:52.000 Yeah.

02:19:54.000 They've got a policy or regulations that there's not allowed to be any domestic animals taken to the island at all, so the population stayed pure.

02:20:01.000 Oh, wow.

02:20:03.000 So if you live there, you can't have a dog?

02:20:06.000 I don't think you can live on the island at all.

02:20:08.000 Oh, it's one of those things.

02:20:10.000 You've got weird rules.

02:20:12.000 The weird rules is that you can't hunt anything native.

02:20:15.000 That's very strange to me.

02:20:18.000 That they wouldn't just have to...

02:20:19.000 Well, kangaroos are on some of our currency.

02:20:22.000 They're like our icon.

02:20:24.000 So imagine eating your bald eagle, like eating your American icon.

02:20:28.000 So that's one way to look at it. 0.94

02:20:30.000 But we can't eat echidnas or friggin' wombats or anything like that. 0.95

02:20:34.000 Not that I'd probably want to.

02:20:36.000 But people do eat kangaroo, though.

02:20:39.000 That's why I'm confused.

02:20:40.000 And they're indigenous, Ken.

02:20:41.000 That's a dingo? 1.00

02:20:41.000 Yeah, they're good-looking dogs. 1.00

02:20:43.000 That looks like a Shibu Inu.

02:20:45.000 Wow.

02:20:46.000 They'd be Fraser Island dogs.

02:20:47.000 Oh, yeah, you've got to do that.

02:20:48.000 So that's a purebred dingo. 1.00

02:20:50.000 Wow, that's a beautiful dog.

02:20:52.000 That feels like you could take that thing as a puppy and raise it.

02:20:56.000 I've got a buddy who had one have a go at his little girl, like try and grab his little girl.

02:21:02.000 He had it as a puppy?

02:21:04.000 No, just a wild one that came into the tent and tried to grab his little girl.

02:21:08.000 There's one ripping a wallaby down there.

02:21:10.000 So what happened?

02:21:14.000 He ended up killing the dog. 0.69

02:21:15.000 He found it the next morning and ended up shooting it with his bow. 0.89

02:21:18.000 It was a wild dingo. 0.60

02:21:19.000 A dingo ate my baby.

02:21:21.000 Yeah, and I reckon there's some truth to that.

02:21:23.000 Oh, yeah.

02:21:24.000 I've seen how...

02:21:25.000 For sure, they go fishing?

02:21:26.000 Jesus Christ.

02:21:29.000 A wild dingo eating a shark on a beach. 1.00

02:21:31.000 That's a fucking cool photo. 1.00

02:21:34.000 That's a gangster ass dog. 1.00

02:21:35.000 When in God's love a shark. 1.00

02:21:38.000 It's a lot of meat in there.

02:21:40.000 I wonder if someone actually caught the shark.

02:21:42.000 That's another thing that people are freaking out about here in America.

02:21:45.000 It's the most recent freak out.

02:21:46.000 It's people fishing and catching sharks.

02:21:48.000 Ah, it's the same in Australia, dude.

02:21:50.000 Let it go.

02:21:51.000 Oh, my God.

02:21:52.000 Where do you go?

02:21:53.000 You used to be able to buy Mako shark.

02:21:55.000 It was very common.

02:21:56.000 You'd get it in a grocery store.

02:21:57.000 Well, most flake, dude.

02:21:58.000 Most flake and the stuff that you're buying shark, you know, like when you buy like a battered bit of fish or something like that from one of them quick takeaways that does fish and chips.

02:22:07.000 Yeah.

02:22:07.000 Then most of that's actually flake, which is just a shark.

02:22:11.000 Really?

02:22:11.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:22:12.000 Not here?

02:22:12.000 No specific.

02:22:13.000 You're talking Australia?

02:22:14.000 No, probably here too, dude.

02:22:15.000 What?

02:22:16.000 Do you think they're serving up a lot of shark here?

02:22:17.000 There's heaps of them and there's a ton of them.

02:22:19.000 They get in the nets.

02:22:20.000 That's where they go.

02:22:21.000 Really?

02:22:22.000 Yeah.

02:22:23.000 Tastes good.

02:22:24.000 I've eaten mako shark before and it was delicious.

02:22:26.000 It was like swordfish. 0.53

02:22:27.000 It's the same as anything, as long as we're not friggin' killing them out.

02:22:30.000 Well, you know what happens is people find out that a lot of people are killing them for fins.

02:22:35.000 Okay, warning, your fish and chips could actually be shark. 0.99

02:22:39.000 Damn, I've been right a few times today. 1.00

02:22:41.000 Steve Bogan, you are a bad motherfucker. 1.00

02:22:42.000 Oi, this bloke Australian, last name Bogan... 1.00

02:22:47.000 He could fit right into Australia with a last name like Bogans.

02:22:51.000 Yeah, cashed up Bogans.

02:22:53.000 Did you tell me that?

02:22:54.000 You might have told me that expression.

02:22:55.000 No, it would have been Kim. 0.55

02:22:57.000 Talking smack far out.

02:23:00.000 But I think what happened was, over here, the people found out about how many sharks get killed for the Finns.

02:23:06.000 Yeah.

02:23:06.000 Shark fin soup and there was a big campaign to alert people about it.

02:23:09.000 And so then the people that have just barely a peripheral awareness of conservation and fishing and animal life, then they started going, don't kill sharks, people are killing sharks, they're assholes. 0.99

02:23:21.000 Meanwhile, they're eating a cod filet. 0.98

02:23:23.000 Exactly, yeah.

02:23:23.000 And having some salmon for lunch on their salad.

02:23:26.000 Would you eat this fish?

02:23:27.000 A shark called a dogfish makes a tasty taco. 0.99

02:23:29.000 Yeah, I'd eat the fuck out of a dogfish. 0.94

02:23:31.000 Yeah, it's still meat. 0.98

02:23:32.000 It's still a fish.

02:23:33.000 I mean, it's not a fish.

02:23:34.000 It's a shark.

02:23:34.000 But I just don't understand why people would differentiate between that and tuna.

02:23:39.000 How about you assholes that really love sushi? 1.00

02:23:41.000 Back the fuck off of the tuna because they're killing all the goddamn tuna. 1.00

02:23:45.000 There's probably more sharks than there are tuna. 1.00

02:23:47.000 Yeah.

02:23:48.000 There's some pretty strict regulations in Australia.

02:23:51.000 The whole world needs it, though.

02:23:54.000 No, so there's some regulations that have come into the Northern Territory of Australia now because you can actually shoot a magpie geese with a bow and arrow.

02:24:02.000 So there's magpie geese and there's some introduced turkeys like what you guys have here in the States.

02:24:06.000 They're the only birds that you can shoot with a bow and arrow in Australia.

02:24:10.000 Oh really?

02:24:10.000 So they just brought in a season for magpie geese Which really restricts a lot of the hunters taking too many, which is fine.

02:24:17.000 I think that's probably not a bad thing. 0.98

02:24:20.000 But then these birds fly to other countries where there's no restrictions at all and they just fucking get hammered, dude. 0.98

02:24:26.000 So it's like, we're doing everything we can on our part, but they just go somewhere else and get slaughtered anyway. 0.98

02:24:31.000 Well, I don't understand.

02:24:34.000 And the issue is with the sharks as well.

02:24:37.000 There's a few species that are highly protected in Australia, but they swim abroad and they're fair game for anyone.

02:24:42.000 Nobody eats great whites though, right?

02:24:44.000 Not that I know of.

02:24:45.000 But I guess people would if they were starving.

02:24:47.000 They would, for sure.

02:24:48.000 I mean, it's probably just fish.

02:24:50.000 It probably tastes pretty good. 0.94

02:24:51.000 I don't think they'd give up too fucking easy. 0.99

02:24:53.000 That's another monster. 1.00

02:24:54.000 Living monster, dude. 0.60

02:24:56.000 Oh, yeah. 0.84

02:24:57.000 Legit monster.

02:24:58.000 Yeah, there was an instance in San Diego a few years back where a bunch of these people were training for a triathlon and they were swimming in the ocean and one out of nowhere just came and cut this guy in half right in front of everybody else.

02:25:12.000 Just bit him right at the waist. 0.92

02:25:15.000 That's scary, dude.

02:25:16.000 Chopped him right in half.

02:25:18.000 Besides conserving their lives, shark meat can be terribly unhealthy.

02:25:22.000 According to a CNN report from nearly 20 years ago, the mercury levels in sharks can cause coordination loss, blindness, and even death.

02:25:30.000 Scientists think that sharks accumulate mercury in their body because they eat many smaller fish.

02:25:34.000 That's interesting.

02:25:35.000 Why you shouldn't eat shark meat?

02:25:38.000 Doesn't marlin have a lot of mercury in it as well?

02:25:41.000 I don't know.

02:25:42.000 A lot of Hawaiians don't like to eat marlin.

02:25:46.000 But I've heard marlin's good.

02:25:47.000 Yeah, I think a lot of those big fish, especially the predator ones, are full of mercury.

02:25:52.000 Makes sense.

02:25:52.000 Yeah.

02:25:53.000 I mean, it's like predators in general have a lot of weird things going on with their body if you eat them.

02:25:58.000 You know, like mountain lions give you trichinosis.

02:26:00.000 This is an interesting study.

02:26:01.000 It says at the top of the article, an estimated 100 million sharks are killed each year to feed consumer demand.

02:26:07.000 And then the study came from a report of 124 sharks that were tested.

02:26:12.000 And one third of them came in with mercury levels that were over...

02:26:22.000 We're good to go.

02:26:34.000 Ooh, that's not good.

02:26:35.000 That's not good at all.

02:26:36.000 Is that in one third?

02:26:37.000 It's real bad, do you think?

02:26:38.000 Yeah, that's terrible.

02:26:39.000 It doesn't say maybe they were all in one area, too. 0.94

02:26:41.000 They could have came out of one shitty, maybe, area.

02:26:44.000 Well, I've told this story a hundred times, but I'll say it again just quickly. 0.86

02:26:47.000 I had arsenic in my body.

02:26:51.000 From when I did a blood test, they said, what are you eating?

02:26:53.000 And I said, I eat a lot of sardines.

02:26:55.000 And the guy said, back off the sardines.

02:26:57.000 We'll try it again in a couple weeks.

02:26:58.000 And the arsenic was gone.

02:27:00.000 So I was eating two cans of sardines a day.

02:27:02.000 I love sardines.

02:27:03.000 I don't know why.

02:27:04.000 I like sardines on Tiles.

02:27:06.000 I love them.

02:27:06.000 They're great.

02:27:09.000 King mackerel and swordfish.

02:27:11.000 Oh, do not eat shark, swordfish, king mackerel, or tilefish because they contain high levels of mercury.

02:27:17.000 I've heard that about tuna as well.

02:27:18.000 I don't know those fish.

02:27:19.000 In certain areas, some tuna apparently contains high levels of mercury. 1.00

02:27:24.000 Yeah, we're assholes. 1.00

02:27:25.000 I was reading something about fucking crabs. 1.00

02:27:28.000 I put it up on my Twitter that crabs are getting Prozac in the water from human beings. 0.99

02:27:35.000 Because so many fucking nutbags are on Prozac that it's getting into the oceans through runoff, and it's affecting crab behavior, and it's making crabs reckless. 0.99

02:27:46.000 They already seem pretty fucking reckless. 1.00

02:27:48.000 I know, they're bugs. 0.99

02:27:49.000 Right?

02:27:50.000 But apparently it's making them reckless.

02:27:52.000 Here it goes.

02:27:53.000 Prozac puts crabs in a mood to take deadly risks. 1.00

02:27:57.000 Shit, that's what's wrong with me and Andrew Ukels. 1.00

02:28:00.000 You guys are I mean, what the fuck? 1.00

02:28:04.000 I mean, how crazy is the human race where we are giving Prozac inadvertently to fucking crabs and they're at a risk. 1.00

02:28:14.000 Apparently they're worried about the population dying off or at least being affected because these crabs are doing reckless things and it's going to cause them to get preyed upon or die. 1.00

02:28:28.000 What the fuck, man? 1.00

02:28:29.000 Crab brains on SSRIs. 1.00

02:28:31.000 What is that word?

02:28:33.000 How do you say that word, Jamie?

02:28:36.000 Fluoxetine is a class of antidepressant called SSRI, or selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor, meaning that it indirectly boosts the amount of mood-altering serotonin available to the brain.

02:28:46.000 It's designed to affect people's brains in a way that can alleviate depressive symptoms, but past research has shown that when a person's fluox...

02:29:06.000 Wow. 1.00

02:29:13.000 Fucking nuts. 1.00

02:29:13.000 Humans are cunts. 1.00

02:29:16.000 We're definitely a mess. 1.00

02:29:17.000 Speaking of that, let's get out of here and go get something to eat.

02:29:20.000 Yeah, that sounds awesome.

02:29:20.000 I feel like I need to get you to say that you're coming to Australia.

02:29:24.000 I'll come to Australia eventually.

02:29:25.000 I'll do some shows, go to a nice restaurant, have dinner.

02:29:28.000 Just come hunting, dude.

02:29:29.000 Just say it.

02:29:29.000 I don't want to get killed by a brownstone.

02:29:30.000 Yes, you won't. 0.99

02:29:31.000 I'll fucking protect you. 1.00

02:29:33.000 If I die and everybody who likes this podcast no longer gets a podcast, they'll be fucking mad at you for bringing me to Australia. 0.99

02:29:39.000 It'll be worth it. 0.99

02:29:40.000 To shoot some leather-skinned animal that takes forever to eat. 0.99

02:29:43.000 You need to come. 0.99

02:29:44.000 Me, you, and Cam.

02:29:45.000 Alright, we'll work something out.

02:29:46.000 Maybe not. 0.99

02:29:49.000 Why don't we just go to Hawaii and shoot axes, dear? 0.99

02:29:52.000 Have a good old time.

02:29:53.000 No, it's not the same.

02:29:53.000 Stay at a nice resort.

02:29:54.000 Come to Arnhem Land. 0.69

02:29:56.000 Hunt buffalo, balls. 0.96

02:29:57.000 Sounds terrible. 0.99

02:30:00.000 Listen to what you're offering me. 0.89

02:30:01.000 We'll drink buff piss together. 0.96

02:30:03.000 Very authentic.

02:30:05.000 Get chased by saltwater crocodiles and watch brown snakes slither into our camp.

02:30:10.000 Probably.

02:30:11.000 Thanks for having me on the show again, brother.

02:30:13.000 My pleasure, brother.

02:30:13.000 Always.

02:30:13.000 Thanks, Jamie.

02:30:14.000 Adam Greentree, ladies and gentlemen.

02:30:15.000 Adam.greentree on Instagram.

02:30:18.000 That's correct.

02:30:19.000 And first.man.image.

02:30:22.000 Adam, get it?

02:30:23.000 First man.

02:30:23.000 Adam and Eve.

02:30:25.000 Kim's wearing an Eve shirt today. 1.00

02:30:27.000 She thinks she's fucking cool as fuck. 1.00

02:30:28.000 That's adorable. 0.99

02:30:29.000 That's adorable.

02:30:30.000 All right.

02:30:30.000 Thanks, brother.

02:30:31.000 Appreciate it.

02:30:31.000 Thanks, buddy.

02:30:31.000 It was fun.

The Joe Rogan Experience - October 25, 2017

Joe Rogan Experience #1028 - Adam Greentree

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