The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1069 - Ben Greenfield

00:00:00.000 Pacoats are supposed to be amazing.

00:00:01.000 They hang out with you.

00:00:02.000 5, 4, 3, 2, 1. Ben Greenfield, ladies and gentlemen.

00:00:11.000 So, it's been a lot of fun hanging out with you for the last 44 minutes.

00:00:14.000 That's a sick game you have out there.

00:00:16.000 Yeah, it's pretty fun, right?

00:00:17.000 I need to build a really, really big, like, 67-yard-long living room to put my big screen in now.

00:00:22.000 Yeah, that thing is crazy.

00:00:24.000 We're talking about this game called Techno Hunt that we were just playing. 0.99

00:00:27.000 So, dude, you are an interesting fucking guy. 1.00

00:00:29.000 You do a lot of weird shit. 1.00

00:00:31.000 No, thank you, I think. 1.00

00:00:33.000 Yeah.

00:00:33.000 No, it's good, yes.

00:00:35.000 It's a compliment.

00:00:36.000 I'll take it.

00:00:37.000 Yeah, interesting is a good thing.

00:00:38.000 But your background, you were just telling me, this is very fascinating.

00:00:44.000 You live way the fuck out in the middle of nowhere.

00:00:48.000 Well, it's kind of, I mean, it's Spokane.

00:00:51.000 Right.

00:00:51.000 Spokane, I mean, we have like a theater.

00:00:53.000 But you're off the grid.

00:00:53.000 And we have restaurants.

00:00:54.000 There are actual people there.

00:00:56.000 Two restaurants.

00:00:57.000 Yeah, there's a theater.

00:00:58.000 There's a little five and dime store and a general store.

00:01:01.000 Spokane's a normal place.

00:01:02.000 It's pretty normal.

00:01:02.000 But you're totally off the grid.

00:01:04.000 Well, up at our house we are.

00:01:06.000 You know, we're solar panels and well.

00:01:09.000 And the way I have it set up is we eased in power from the local municipal power.

00:01:13.000 But if that goes out, then it hits the solar inverters and we're full solar.

00:01:17.000 So then there's like a battery panel in the garage that stores the solar.

00:01:20.000 Because we're on like a north-facing slope.

00:01:22.000 So you get sun from 10 to 2. So we can't collect a lot of solar, but you store it in the battery, so it's there.

00:01:29.000 So you've got to be very judicious with your laptop use.

00:01:32.000 Yeah.

00:01:33.000 If you want to go off the grid, totally. 1.00

00:01:35.000 It's a stupid home. 1.00

00:01:36.000 So there's no Wi-Fi. 1.00

00:01:38.000 There's no Bluetooth.

00:01:40.000 It's hard-wired, metal-shielded Ethernet cable.

00:01:42.000 That's through the whole house.

00:01:43.000 Because I don't like to have Wi-Fi signals bouncing around.

00:01:46.000 Really?

00:01:46.000 I don't feel good.

00:01:48.000 I've always wondered about that.

00:01:50.000 What is that doing to us?

00:01:52.000 Well, I actually just read, there's a really good new book that came out.

00:01:56.000 It's called The Non-Tinfoil Hat Guide to EMF. I think it's the full title of the book.

00:02:02.000 But it goes into this idea of what are called voltage-gated calcium channels on your cell membrane, and all those actually get affected by Wi-Fi.

00:02:11.000 And apparently you see a change in In the electrochemical balance across the actual membrane in response to things like Wi-Fi, apparently Bluetooth affects red blood cells, and I haven't seen a lot of like actual, you know, in vivo research on that,

00:02:26.000 but I know that I feel better when I don't have like the Wi-Fi router going or, you know, I turn off all my...

00:02:33.000 Everything at night.

00:02:34.000 There's kill switches in all the bedrooms.

00:02:35.000 So you walk into the house and it's just super clean.

00:02:38.000 Everything's HEPA air filters, negative ion generators, no Wi-Fi, no Bluetooth.

00:02:44.000 We structure all the water that comes in from the well, so it's the same.

00:02:47.000 Have you heard of structured water before?

00:02:50.000 Yeah, I've just heard about it because Eddie Bravo just got that installed in his gym.

00:02:54.000 Yeah.

00:02:54.000 It's kind of cool.

00:02:55.000 I mean, the idea behind it, there's this cat up at University of Washington named Dr. Gerald Pollack, and he has done this research that shows, like, in plants or vessels, like blood vessels, for example, there's an exclusion zone of water.

00:03:09.000 I mean, there's like a positive charge on the inside and a negative charge on the outside.

00:03:14.000 And that might be backwards.

00:03:15.000 It might be positive on the outside, negative on the inside.

00:03:17.000 But either way, it causes fluid to move through vessels in a way that allows it to move more easily, like the water is actually charged.

00:03:27.000 So apparently when you drink structured water, it hydrates the cell a little bit better.

00:03:31.000 Yeah.

00:03:32.000 Sounds like it might be...

00:03:33.000 That's apparently how water moves through plants. 0.74

00:03:35.000 That's one of those things that you hear and then, like, you talk to a scientist and they go, no!

00:03:40.000 Yeah.

00:03:40.000 And they get mad, so I don't know.

00:03:41.000 Well, I interviewed that guy, Gerald Pollack, and he has compared...

00:03:45.000 Basically, what he's compared is, like, how it moves in glass tubes and how if you structure it and you watch it, like, the water moves up through the glass tube way, way better.

00:03:53.000 Yeah.

00:03:54.000 And then I interviewed this guy, Thomas Cowan, and he talks about how the heart is not really a pump or doesn't act as much like a pump as we're led to believe.

00:04:03.000 And so if you drink structured water, apparently the blood moves better through the vessels.

00:04:10.000 I haven't seen a ton of research on it, but I structure my water just because it's cheap.

00:04:14.000 It's like this tiny little plastic piece that you put on your water filter.

00:04:19.000 What exactly is it doing?

00:04:20.000 So the water passes through a series of glass beads.

00:04:23.000 It vortexes it.

00:04:24.000 So it comes out of my well, and I tested my water, and I've got a bacteria-based iron.

00:04:32.000 High levels of manganese like I thought well water was just all like pristine clear like you know like if you drink out of a spring on top of a mountain, but Apparently there's there's crap in the well water So I filter it and then after it all filters it passes through the structured water filter I would imagine that you would get some stuff in the water because if somewhere along the line there's like a dead animal or beaver fever Yeah,

00:04:57.000 there's dead animals all over my house, just piled everywhere.

00:04:59.000 Carcasses.

00:05:00.000 So I'm very careful.

00:05:02.000 Outside the woods.

00:05:03.000 Well, then the other thing is, like, what I get concerned about is, you know, you see, like, glyphosate and herbicides and pesticides.

00:05:09.000 They get sprayed all over the crops, and I live in farmland territory, right?

00:05:12.000 So I'm on this north-facing slope, and there's all, like, these farms above me.

00:05:16.000 So I figure if that's dropping down through the ground into that water, I might be getting some of it.

00:05:21.000 So I filter.

00:05:22.000 Yeah, that totally makes sense.

00:05:23.000 I know a guy who got bone cancer because he lived off of a golf course.

00:05:27.000 And the golf course is constantly spraying stuff on the golf course, and it got into the water supply.

00:05:33.000 And a bunch of people in this neighborhood got cancer.

00:05:34.000 How do they know that gave him bone cancer?

00:05:35.000 Oh, really?

00:05:36.000 Like, it happened to more people?

00:05:37.000 Yeah, a ton of people in the neighborhood got cancer.

00:05:39.000 Wow.

00:05:39.000 Yeah.

00:05:40.000 That's crazy.

00:05:41.000 You know, what I tell people is...

00:05:43.000 Right.

00:06:03.000 Or you can just use reverse osmosis and then use like trace liquid minerals or sea salt or anything else.

00:06:10.000 Yeah.

00:06:10.000 Electrolytes back in your diet.

00:06:11.000 I know a lot of people put like a pinch of Himalayan salt in the water.

00:06:13.000 I go through so much salt.

00:06:15.000 I use this stuff called Mexican salt, Kalima salt.

00:06:18.000 I was actually at a steakhouse last night.

00:06:20.000 People make fun of me because I pull out my big white bag of salt and I just sprinkle it on everything.

00:06:24.000 But I'm a fiend for salt.

00:06:26.000 I love salt.

00:06:26.000 It's very good for you.

00:06:27.000 And unfortunately, there's been a terrible myth that's been perpetrated a long time ago that salt gives you high blood pressure and it kills you.

00:06:35.000 That's a real tragedy because that's one of those ones that it was spread in probably, what was it, the 60s or the 70s when they started telling people that salt causes high blood pressure?

00:06:44.000 I have no clue.

00:06:45.000 People still repeat it today and they don't understand it.

00:06:47.000 It's an essential mineral.

00:06:50.000 Well, there's a new book out about this.

00:06:52.000 I forget the name of the book about salt.

00:06:53.000 Have you heard of this book?

00:06:54.000 Yeah, I've heard of the book, but I don't know the name of it either.

00:06:56.000 But it depends, too, because I used to do racing for Team Timex.

00:07:00.000 I used to do these Ironman triathlons, and they'd bring people in to test us.

00:07:04.000 And they would do sweat-sodium analyses, where you actually get a patch put on your skin, and it measures the amount of sodium released over X surface area of skin.

00:07:12.000 And then there's an algorithm that determines how much total sweat you lose, say, per hour during exercise.

00:07:18.000 And some people lose a copious amount of sodium in their sweat, and some lose barely any at all.

00:07:22.000 So you have like a sodium conservation mechanism that differs from person to person.

00:07:26.000 So there might be some people who store salt really well who might actually get higher blood pressure if they consume a lot of salt.

00:07:33.000 So if you had a massive excess of salt in your time.

00:07:36.000 Yeah, my numbers were off the charts though in terms of how much sodium I was losing, which is probably why I feel so good.

00:07:40.000 Well that makes sense.

00:07:41.000 You're sweating so much, right?

00:07:43.000 I mean it's just going right through your body.

00:07:45.000 Plus it tastes amazing.

00:07:46.000 I'm happy to die of high blood pressure just because the salt just makes everything taste like.

00:07:50.000 I know, I'm a big fan.

00:07:51.000 I love kosher salt.

00:07:52.000 They used to pay.

00:07:53.000 Didn't they pay like Roman soldiers in salt?

00:07:55.000 Oh yeah, people went to war for salt.

00:07:58.000 I'd take salt.

00:07:59.000 I mean, it's really kind of amazing that it was just less than 200 years ago that they figured out how to make refrigerators.

00:08:06.000 I mean, what is a refrigerator?

00:08:07.000 From the 1930s, I think it was?

00:08:09.000 When did they first invent those things?

00:08:11.000 And then before that, they had ice boxes.

00:08:12.000 You'd have to get a chunk of ice from somewhere.

00:08:14.000 Right.

00:08:14.000 Have to get an insulated carrier.

00:08:16.000 You mean just to store stuff.

00:08:16.000 And before that, they just used salt to preserve things.

00:08:18.000 Yeah, they'd cover things in salt.

00:08:19.000 And I've heard, I don't know if this is true, But I heard that if you come from an area, like if your ancestry is from an area where they did a lot of that fermenting, pickling, curing, salting, that you have more robust sodium loss mechanisms.

00:08:35.000 Which would make sense for me.

00:08:36.000 Like on Northern European heritage, they did a lot of pickling, salting, curing. 0.99

00:08:40.000 So I would lose more salt than somebody who might have come from, let's say, like a Sub-Saharan African or Southeast Asian or somewhere where they might not have been using so much salt. 0.77

00:08:49.000 Yeah, that totally makes sense.

00:08:50.000 Yeah.

00:08:51.000 This Wi-Fi thing, I want to go back to that.

00:08:53.000 Because I've always wondered.

00:08:55.000 There's not a long history of use, of human use of Wi-Fi.

00:08:58.000 And one of the things, it sounds so hippy-dippy.

00:09:00.000 It's like the stem cells we were talking about, right?

00:09:02.000 Exactly.

00:09:02.000 There's not a lot of studies on that either.

00:09:04.000 90-year-old dudes running around that have been doing stem cells for 60 years.

00:09:07.000 Right, exactly.

00:09:07.000 But the Wi-Fi, it sounds hippy-dippy, but if you go somewhere like Prince of Wales, Alaska, and you're on a mountaintop, it feels different.

00:09:17.000 Oh, it totally does.

00:09:18.000 There's no radio.

00:09:19.000 There's no Wi-Fi.

00:09:20.000 There's no direct TVs getting to you.

00:09:22.000 There's nothing.

00:09:23.000 And it feels different up there.

00:09:26.000 Well, you're also, I mean, like you're grounding and earthing, right?

00:09:29.000 And you're breathing a lot more negative ions because you're outside in the fresh air.

00:09:34.000 Yeah.

00:09:35.000 Really, for sure.

00:09:36.000 You don't have all the emails jumping out from your inbox.

00:09:38.000 There's a lot of confounding variables.

00:09:40.000 But, I mean, all I know, and I test, you ever tested heart rate variability?

00:09:45.000 No.

00:09:45.000 Like, it's the, do you know what that is, HRV? A lot of athletes use it.

00:09:48.000 I've heard it, but I don't know much about it.

00:09:51.000 What does it mean?

00:09:51.000 It's the interbeat individuality, like the variation in the amount of time in between each beat of your heart.

00:09:56.000 So it's not like how fast your heart is beating, it's how much time is in between each heartbeat.

00:10:00.000 So you can measure that, and you're supposed to have slight beat-to-beat variation in how much time is between each heartbeat.

00:10:07.000 And if you have that, that's high heart rate variability.

00:10:10.000 So you can use that to track your readiness to train, your recovery.

00:10:14.000 So I use a ring like this, or I'll do a heart rate strap in the morning.

00:10:19.000 What's that ring?

00:10:19.000 It's an aura ring.

00:10:22.000 Have you heard of this thing? 0.98

00:10:23.000 No, but dude, just going on your website is such a mindfuck. 0.95

00:10:26.000 I got it out of a Cracker Jack box. 0.98

00:10:28.000 It's a power ring.

00:10:29.000 It's a mood ring.

00:10:31.000 I have seen one of those.

00:10:32.000 Someone sent me something.

00:10:34.000 They don't just use rings, right?

00:10:35.000 There's other methods of measuring it as well?

00:10:38.000 Oh yeah, like you can use a Bluetooth-enabled heart rate monitor strap.

00:10:41.000 That's what I used to do is you wake up in the morning, you put on the strap, and you test your heart rate variability.

00:10:45.000 And it tells you, you know, if it's low, you might say, okay, well, today is going to be like a yoga day or an easy swim or a walk in the sunshine.

00:10:53.000 And if it's high, then that would be a day where you'll do like kettlebell training or a WOD or whatever it is that you're going to do.

00:10:59.000 Really?

00:10:59.000 And then the other thing you could use it for is if you'll sometimes purposefully get it low.

00:11:04.000 Like I have some athletes that I train where we'll work them into a state where they've got really low heart rate variability.

00:11:10.000 And then what happens is you taper, right?

00:11:12.000 Like you recover, you rest, you super compensate.

00:11:14.000 So you see a bounce back of nervous system recovery.

00:11:17.000 And you can use that to purposefully adjust the training.

00:11:21.000 Huh.

00:11:21.000 Yeah.

00:11:21.000 And if you train through a low HRV for too long, you can predict illness.

00:11:25.000 You can predict injury.

00:11:26.000 So it's a cool way to track training.

00:11:28.000 And you can even look at there's a high frequency and a low frequency component.

00:11:33.000 When you're saying you can predict illness and injury, how so?

00:11:36.000 Meaning like my HRV is low, but screw it.

00:11:38.000 I'm going to go train anyways.

00:11:39.000 And you do that day after day, you get injured.

00:11:42.000 And the weird thing is that you can have no musculoskeletal soreness.

00:11:46.000 Because a lot of time that subsides, you know, delayed onset muscle soreness, you see that disappear after like 48 hours.

00:11:51.000 And if you've crushed yourself, like we can talk about this later if you want, but I've been doing single set to failure.

00:11:56.000 Single set to failure exercises where it's just like a 15 minute long workout, but it's just full on isometrics as hard as you can go for 60 seconds to two minutes.

00:12:04.000 Isometric. 0.72

00:12:05.000 So you're pushing against, it's like this force plate machine that you push against and you just generate as much force as you can and it ties to your iPhone and it alerts you when you've dropped off 60% of what you're originally producing at the beginning of the set.

00:12:20.000 And then that's it.

00:12:21.000 Set's done, game over.

00:12:23.000 So you might do deadlift, squat, press, overhead press, pull down.

00:12:27.000 And that's the whole workout.

00:12:28.000 And then you're just recovering in between each of those sets.

00:12:30.000 So this plate, I mean, how are you doing a deadlift with a plate?

00:12:33.000 It's a force plate.

00:12:34.000 So for example, you'll have like a bar that you're holding onto, and the bar is attached to the force plate via two stands, like two pillars on either side of the bar.

00:12:45.000 And you pull the bar, and then the force plate detects how much force you're pulling.

00:12:49.000 And what position are you in in the deadlift or the bottom position?

00:12:51.000 You're standing on top of the force plate.

00:12:52.000 You're supposed to choose the hardest position of each exercise.

00:12:55.000 So like halfway in?

00:12:56.000 So if I'm bench pressing, it's like my elbows are slightly bent as though I'm just near the top.

00:13:01.000 Or squatting, it's like the knees are bent at about 30, 40 degrees.

00:13:05.000 So you get into that position, then you generate as much force as possible for 60 seconds.

00:13:10.000 When I first did it, I was at 30 seconds.

00:13:12.000 Now I can go a little bit over a minute where I can continue to generate As much force as possible before it drops off to just 60% of what I was originally producing.

00:13:21.000 It's a cool, efficient way to train, but you don't get that sore afterwards, right?

00:13:25.000 So musculoskeletal soreness is not a good indicator of recovery in many cases.

00:13:29.000 And that's where this HRV thing comes in, is your nervous system, right?

00:13:33.000 Your central nervous system, your neuromuscular system can be really beat up after a workout, even if the soreness has subsided.

00:13:40.000 So that's where you use something like HRV and you can say, okay, well, I'm not sore, but my HRV is still low.

00:13:45.000 So this is going to be an easy day for me. 0.96

00:13:47.000 I'm sorry to act like a moron, but explain that one more time. 0.88

00:13:49.000 So if your body is not sore, but your HRV is low, what is it showing? 0.98

00:13:57.000 What's an indication of?

00:13:58.000 So if your body is not sore, but your HRV is low, HRV is measuring your nervous system recovery, right?

00:14:04.000 So you might not be fully recovered.

00:14:06.000 So what I'm saying is like musculoskeletal soreness or discomfort is not necessarily the best indicator of whether you're fully recovered.

00:14:14.000 You have to test the nervous system too.

00:14:15.000 That's so weird.

00:14:16.000 I've never even heard of someone doing that before.

00:14:17.000 And that's where something like an HRV measurement comes in.

00:14:19.000 And coming full circle, I've noticed when I do those morning measurements and I'm traveling or I've got the Wi-Fi enabled at my house, my HRV is low.

00:14:27.000 So it's affecting my nervous system somehow.

00:14:30.000 Do you think the Wi-Fi is a mindfuck?

00:14:32.000 Do you think it's really doing something to you? 0.70

00:14:33.000 I think it's doing something, but then there's the placebo effect, I feel it.

00:14:38.000 Do you feel it in this room?

00:14:38.000 I feel really...

00:14:39.000 I'm trying to feel it. 1.00

00:14:42.000 That's why you're a moron right now. 1.00

00:14:43.000 You've got the Wi-Fi going. 1.00

00:14:44.000 What's going on, Jamie?

00:14:45.000 What do you got there?

00:14:45.000 This is my HRV off of my iPhone.

00:14:47.000 Oh, you just...

00:14:47.000 What did you use?

00:14:48.000 Did you use the fingertip?

00:14:49.000 I have my Apple Watch.

00:14:50.000 What?

00:14:51.000 The Apple Watch tests your HRV? Yeah, so it's been doing it the whole time I've had it on.

00:14:55.000 But it's paradoxical because the Apple Watch is making Wi-Fi.

00:14:58.000 Jesus Christ, you can't win!

00:15:00.000 It's so confusing. 0.98

00:15:01.000 Goddammit, Ben Greenfield. 0.95

00:15:03.000 No, that's what I was talking about.

00:15:04.000 This ring, I bought this in Finland like three years ago because I wanted like a body tracking device. 0.98

00:15:09.000 I want to track my HRV and I want to track my sleep cycles, but I don't like sleeping all night because I sleep with my hand tucked down by my dick. 0.96

00:15:17.000 I don't want something just like... 0.99

00:15:20.000 You sleep like this?

00:15:21.000 I sleep on my side with my hands tucked underneath me. 0.98

00:15:26.000 And my right hand is right down around my balls, basically, while I'm sleeping. 0.97

00:15:31.000 And I didn't want something just blasting me while I was sleeping. 0.98

00:15:35.000 That makes sense.

00:15:36.000 Because if it was on my wrist or on my finger or wherever.

00:15:38.000 So this has a built-in computer, and you can put it in airplane mode.

00:15:42.000 And it'll still collect all the HRV data and everything else.

00:15:44.000 Then when you want to take it out of airplane mode and sync it to your phone and upload all your sleep data or your HRV data or anything else, you can do it. 0.90

00:15:51.000 So that's why I wear this ring instead of like a Fitbit or a Jawbone or Jamie's stupid Apple Watch. 0.99

00:15:59.000 I never know whether or not I'm being ridiculous with this stuff, like with worrying about phones being in your pocket if you have butt cancer. 0.98

00:16:06.000 You know, because some dude told me that once, that he got cancer. 0.93

00:16:09.000 I think it was testicle cancer on his right side.

00:16:12.000 And the guy was saying, do you keep your phone in your right pocket?

00:16:14.000 He's like, yes, I do.

00:16:15.000 And the doctor was telling him that. 0.99

00:16:17.000 I was like, how the fuck does the doctor know? 0.96

00:16:18.000 Like, this is not proven stuff. 0.98

00:16:21.000 This is all real speculation, right?

00:16:23.000 I mean, it's tricky because, I mean, you could say about the bone cancer on the golf course, right?

00:16:27.000 But a lot of people got it.

00:16:28.000 But I think there was a class action lawsuit there because I think they tested the water and there was whatever the fuck the stuff that they used for fertilizer or pesticides. 0.93

00:16:38.000 That's what I was telling you. 0.97

00:16:38.000 I was concerned about the dick cancer thing because of the stem cells. 0.97

00:16:42.000 Right. 1.00

00:16:42.000 Well, you shot stem cells into your dick. 1.00

00:16:45.000 Well, for the past three months. 1.00

00:16:46.000 Please explain.

00:16:46.000 So Men's Health Magazine just had me write this article called New Year, New Dick.

00:16:51.000 I'm serious.

00:16:52.000 It's the issue with Marky Mark Wahlberg on the cover.

00:16:56.000 How appropriate. 1.00

00:16:57.000 Yeah, like how to make a small dick bigger, right? 1.00

00:17:00.000 And you put Marky Mark on the cover. 1.00

00:17:01.000 And now he can beat me with his four-foot-tall fisticuffs. 0.99

00:17:06.000 Anyways, though, so they had me go around doing everything that a guy could do to enhance sexual performance or increase the size of your dick or increase blood flow or increase orgasm quality. 0.98

00:17:16.000 They just wanted to find out what everything from, like, freaking gas station dick pills to—which, by the way, those things do not have in them what they say they have in them. 0.98

00:17:25.000 What do you think they have in them? 0.91

00:17:26.000 So they say, like, Epimedium and Urokema Long Jack— Right. 0.81

00:17:34.000 It's basically freaking sildenafil, the active ingredient in Cialis or Viagra, and then ephedra and copious amounts of caffeine.

00:17:41.000 So I would take these things and just literally feel like my head was going to explode.

00:17:44.000 I mean, it's like drinking 10 cups of coffee.

00:17:47.000 Yeah, we have a friend of ours who predicted accurately that John Jones was taking those things when he pissed hot because he was like, those things have everything in them.

00:17:55.000 And he's like, John Jones does coke? 0.99

00:17:57.000 He goes, I guarantee you he's taking dick pills. 0.99

00:17:58.000 They're actually pretty entertaining to read because it's like reading a Chinese fortune cookie. 0.98

00:18:04.000 It's like maximum potency vigora and everything's spelled wrong.

00:18:09.000 So they had me doing that.

00:18:11.000 Did you do an analysis of the ingredients?

00:18:13.000 Did you actually get it tested?

00:18:14.000 No, no.

00:18:15.000 We went to all these labs.

00:18:16.000 They wouldn't let us actually test, but apparently the FDA has tested them.

00:18:20.000 And if you go to the FDA.gov website, they have these warnings out about the actual ingredients.

00:18:26.000 We took the five that they had warnings about and tested them.

00:18:29.000 The dangerous ones.

00:18:30.000 Yeah, you don't feel well.

00:18:32.000 You feel like your head's going to explode and your hands get all cold and clammy.

00:18:35.000 And some of them say, I don't know why, but they say to take them in the morning.

00:18:38.000 Which doesn't, to me, make sense, but you take them in the morning and you just feel completely screwed up the whole morning.

00:18:45.000 It's like you're just mainlining coffee.

00:18:47.000 So they did that. 1.00

00:18:49.000 Have you heard of this acoustic sound wave therapy for your dick? 1.00

00:18:53.000 I'm serious. 1.00

00:18:54.000 I'm sure you are.

00:18:55.000 I'm not even going to answer.

00:18:57.000 No, I have not.

00:18:57.000 So this is a clinic in Florida.

00:19:00.000 It's called Gaines Wave.

00:19:01.000 Of course it's in Florida.

00:19:02.000 You go down there, and I walk in, and the first thing they do is they hand me this syringe full of numbing cream, and I'm supposed to just put it everywhere, and so I smeared it.

00:19:12.000 My balls, I just went everywhere, because I didn't really know what they were going to do, and I wanted all shields activated going into this thing. 0.99

00:19:20.000 So I walk into the room and my dick's all numb. 0.99

00:19:23.000 They have me lay down and so my legs are splayed. 0.99

00:19:26.000 I'm on this exam room table and this gal comes in and she's got like this giant wand attached to a machine. 1.00

00:19:31.000 And they do this for women too, by the way.

00:19:33.000 They put like a condom on the end of it. 0.99

00:19:35.000 And she just basically goes to town for like 20 minutes like a jackhammer. 1.00

00:19:39.000 It was like brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr And then they follow it up,

00:20:08.000 and you get a nerve block first.

00:20:11.000 I thought, I don't know why, I thought they put the needle just like right in the pee hole, which to me made sense, but it doesn't really.

00:20:19.000 I mean, you want it in the actual tissue. 0.78

00:20:20.000 So they actually go like up where the dick attaches, like the tissue at the top.

00:20:24.000 They do two nerve blocks on either side and then the PRP. And later on, like a couple months later, they had me do stem cells.

00:20:31.000 They actually extracted fat from my back and we did a stem cell injection.

00:20:35.000 But this acoustic sound wave therapy with the PRP, like it wears off and you literally just like get boners all the time.

00:20:43.000 Like all night long for like a month.

00:20:46.000 So the acoustic sound therapy is supposed to be breaking up blood vessels?

00:20:49.000 Breaks open old blood vessels.

00:20:52.000 Jamie found it. 0.85

00:20:53.000 Gaines wave procedure breaks up plaque formation in blood vessels and stimulates the growth of new blood vessels in the penis. 0.86

00:20:59.000 Low intensity extracorporeal shockwave therapy.

00:21:02.000 That's gonna sell a lot of procedures.

00:21:05.000 I like the drawing.

00:21:06.000 Before and after.

00:21:07.000 Before your veins are all tired and skinny.

00:21:11.000 Yeah, before it looks like an old, hunched-over man.

00:21:13.000 Then all of a sudden, vigor!

00:21:15.000 It looks like a bodybuilder vein.

00:21:17.000 Vigorous.

00:21:17.000 Yeah.

00:21:17.000 I used to do bodybuilding.

00:21:19.000 It's a horrible sport.

00:21:21.000 Do you think it's real?

00:21:22.000 Do you think that's really doing something?

00:21:23.000 It worked for me.

00:21:25.000 It worked for me. 0.98

00:21:27.000 So yeah, they did the gas station dick pills. 0.91

00:21:29.000 They did the acoustic sound wave therapy.

00:21:31.000 But the acoustic sound wave therapy was the best.

00:21:33.000 The PRP injections.

00:21:33.000 They had me do like the...

00:21:34.000 No, the stem cells were the best.

00:21:36.000 Stem cells were the best.

00:21:37.000 Stem cells, but not everybody's going to be able to do that.

00:21:39.000 But that was the best, bar none.

00:21:41.000 So I went down to Florida.

00:21:43.000 Of course again, Florida.

00:21:45.000 I think it's because all the old people live in Florida. 1.00

00:21:48.000 Florida's just crazy.

00:21:49.000 It's barely America. 0.99

00:21:50.000 Fort Lauderdale, all the people hunched over the steering wheel, but all the guys have great dicks. 0.99

00:21:54.000 They can't drive. 0.99

00:21:55.000 They have their blinker on for like two miles before they turn, but their dicks are primed.

00:22:00.000 So the stem cell thing was at the U.S. Stem Cell Clinic in Florida, and I went in there, and they extract all the fat. 0.95

00:22:09.000 For me, they took the fat out of my back.

00:22:12.000 And what they do is they have—it's called an enzymatic process where they use something that breaks down the collagen in the fat, and then they have the stem cells that get separated from the fat.

00:22:27.000 And apparently it's very, very high in these angiogenic, like vascular or vessel-building compounds.

00:22:34.000 And so then you get that re-injected.

00:22:37.000 It's high in the— Mesenchymal, the MSC, the MSC cells, which are supposedly the very good ones to inject in.

00:22:45.000 So I injected those, or I had a doctor in Spokane.

00:22:49.000 So they shipped them to Spokane on ice, and they show up at my house at like 7 a.m., right?

00:22:53.000 Because you've got to get them delivered same day.

00:22:55.000 And then I had my appointment at the doctor at 9 a.m., and I went to the doctor, and it was like deja vu from Florida, right?

00:23:01.000 Like I go in, do the numbing.

00:23:03.000 Did the doctor know you were going to do this?

00:23:05.000 Oh, yeah.

00:23:05.000 The doctor in Spokane?

00:23:06.000 Are you friends with the doctor?

00:23:08.000 Yeah.

00:23:08.000 Yeah, there's a picture.

00:23:09.000 I think there's a picture of him in the magazine.

00:23:11.000 Because they put all sorts of crazy pictures in the magazine. 0.99

00:23:12.000 Because they had me doing like infrared light on my balls. 0.94

00:23:15.000 And I have this big thing called the juve light that they had me standing in front of every day. 0.94

00:23:20.000 A juve light?

00:23:21.000 I'll tell you about the stem cells.

00:23:23.000 Okay, yeah, let's go one step at a time.

00:23:24.000 Because it's crazy.

00:23:27.000 So, the stem cells.

00:23:29.000 I went to this doctor in Spokane, and he injected these stem cells from my fat after they'd grown for like several...

00:23:38.000 In this case, I think they were down there for like eight weeks.

00:23:40.000 But, I mean, they can do same-day injections, but for me, I didn't have enough fat.

00:23:44.000 Because for me, it was right in the middle of...

00:23:46.000 I raced professionally in obstacle course racing, so I'm just like...

00:23:48.000 We're good to go.

00:24:10.000 So I was kind of like the guinea pig for this.

00:24:12.000 So do you have to explain to him what areas you're supposed to inject into?

00:24:15.000 No, he researched it, and I think he actually talked to the folks at the stem cell clinic beforehand to make sure that they were on the same page.

00:24:22.000 So I didn't want to fly all the way back down to Florida.

00:24:24.000 Right. 0.99

00:24:24.000 That's super inconvenient, and it's just a dick. 0.99

00:24:28.000 They'll make more someday. 0.98

00:24:29.000 They're growing kidneys and ears. 0.99

00:24:30.000 I'm sure they'll grow dicks someday. 1.00

00:24:32.000 So I got it injected. 0.99

00:24:34.000 And that was...

00:24:36.000 First of all, it looked like it got run over by a semi-truck for like two days.

00:24:42.000 It was like all black and blue where the injection site was.

00:24:44.000 Were you nervous?

00:24:44.000 Yeah.

00:24:45.000 Yeah, I'd be super nervous.

00:24:47.000 Like, what if it got infected?

00:24:48.000 It could have gotten infected. 0.98

00:24:50.000 I could still get dick cancer. 1.00

00:24:52.000 I've had MRSA, and I would not wish MRSA on your dick. 1.00

00:24:55.000 How'd you get MRSA? A triathlon. 1.00

00:24:59.000 I got it.

00:25:00.000 This was at the Wildflower Triathlon.

00:25:02.000 Like, coming back, my flight got delayed, and I was covered in all these, because it's like an off-road triathlon, and I had all these scrapes and wounds.

00:25:08.000 And I think my layover was in Vegas.

00:25:11.000 I don't remember where but I had to check in the hotel if I got delayed and I slept in this hotel room that I swear like there must have been something on the bed because within a few days like it was all you know it gets all nasty and cakey and then it was eating a hole.

00:25:23.000 I wrote a whole blog post about this on my website and you can see pull up the hole in the back of my leg it's nasty.

00:25:30.000 Marcia scares the shit out of me.

00:25:31.000 Just search for like Ben Greenfield staff and you'll see the pictures but it was eating a hole in the back of my leg. 0.52

00:25:37.000 And my kids roll now once a week, and I get the defense soap from Onnit.

00:25:42.000 As soon as they come back in the door, I have them go into the shower upstairs. 0.85

00:25:46.000 Defense soap is awesome. 0.99

00:25:47.000 Yeah, they have a bunch of different wipes and stuff for people that train in a place that doesn't have a shower.

00:25:53.000 Mm-hmm.

00:25:53.000 Yeah, you gotta be careful.

00:25:54.000 That and Thieves essential oil.

00:25:57.000 Like, it's like a whole bunch of companies make this version of essential oil called Thieves.

00:26:02.000 It's like clove.

00:26:03.000 It's named after these thieves who apparently never...

00:26:06.000 Yeah, clove, cinnamon, eucalyptus, which is really good for staff and rosemary.

00:26:10.000 It's actually named.

00:26:11.000 There's like this story of like these four thieves that apparently traveled around the world and they would rob...

00:26:22.000 We're good to go.

00:26:38.000 I think, from what I can tell, looking in the mirror, it got bigger.

00:26:42.000 I'm pretty sure.

00:26:43.000 How much?

00:26:44.000 Half inch?

00:26:45.000 Oh, like, maybe that much.

00:26:46.000 Quarter inch?

00:26:47.000 Like, enough to tell. 0.66

00:26:48.000 And my erections got bigger and my orgasms got a lot better.

00:26:51.000 For how long?

00:26:52.000 They're still like that.

00:26:53.000 Still?

00:26:53.000 Yeah.

00:26:54.000 Yeah, so I think the stem cells kind of like stick with you.

00:26:57.000 Well, last week I got them, I told you I'm training for the RKC kettlebell cert and I was doing the 100 reps in five minutes snatch test with the one and a half food and I felt something just go.

00:27:10.000 I was at 84 reps and I felt something go in my back and I got stem cells injected all up and down my QL, my multifidus, my rectospinae into my psoas.

00:27:20.000 But then they also sent them to my house, and I did that same fat cell, the stuff that's rich in the mesenchymal stem cells, into the bloodstream.

00:27:29.000 So I did a push IV into the bloodstream.

00:27:32.000 That's the one that you would have to go out of the country.

00:27:35.000 That's the one you gotta go to Panama for. 0.91

00:27:37.000 You're not supposed to do that.

00:27:39.000 It's technically not legal for someone to inject you with your own stem cells into your bloodstream, but if you get your stem cells extracted and they're stored and they send them to you, you can technically inject them if you do it yourself or you have a friend who's a nurse or whatever.

00:27:52.000 Right.

00:27:52.000 And it's literally just like a push IV. It's like 30 seconds.

00:27:55.000 We caught it on video for men's health films.

00:27:58.000 So they'll publish a video at some point, but I was super nervous because it's like a few thousand dollars worth of stem cells that You know, I'm trying to hit the vein and make sure that they go in the right way and then inject.

00:28:07.000 It's a very, very small amount. 0.99

00:28:09.000 You had to be the most nervous getting them shot into your dick, though, no? 1.00

00:28:13.000 I was kind of nervous, yeah. 1.00

00:28:15.000 Yeah, that seems to me, like, super experimental.

00:28:18.000 I do a lot of that, though.

00:28:19.000 Yeah, I know you do.

00:28:20.000 I mean, like, that's kind of my shtick, right?

00:28:21.000 Like, I do a lot of immersive journalism, a lot of self-experimentation, a lot of guinea pig type stuff.

00:28:26.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:28:27.000 And I'm not dead yet, and I still have my dick, so... 1.00

00:28:30.000 Oh, you look great. 0.99

00:28:31.000 I'm happy.

00:28:31.000 Yeah, thank you.

00:28:31.000 You look very healthy.

00:28:32.000 I'm 22. Oh, there's a whole...

00:28:35.000 But I'm actually...

00:28:35.000 Oh, yeah.

00:28:36.000 That's...

00:28:36.000 Is that...

00:28:37.000 Yeah.

00:28:37.000 Is that him?

00:28:38.000 That's one of them.

00:28:38.000 That is...

00:28:39.000 Yeah, that's an image from my website.

00:28:40.000 That's not as deep as it got.

00:28:41.000 I don't think that's the worst photo.

00:28:43.000 The worst one I've ever seen is Kevin Rambamann.

00:28:45.000 They have to stuff it with iodine.

00:28:47.000 Like, they...

00:28:47.000 Have you had it before?

00:28:48.000 No.

00:28:49.000 They have, like, these long iodine strips when you get the MRSA, and it's like...

00:28:52.000 It's flesh-eating bacteria. 0.56

00:28:54.000 Yeah.

00:28:54.000 Yeah, that's me, too.

00:28:56.000 And they stuff, see that hole in the middle?

00:28:58.000 Yeah.

00:28:59.000 They stuff like an iodine, it's like a stick in there, like a strip that has, but they literally stuff it.

00:29:04.000 Stuff it in there, yeah.

00:29:04.000 And you can feel it.

00:29:05.000 You were telling me you got dry needling done.

00:29:07.000 You know like that weird pressure?

00:29:10.000 It's not like pain, but it's like a weird pressure from dry needling.

00:29:13.000 This is like that, except pain.

00:29:15.000 Right.

00:29:16.000 Like it's both the pain and the pressure.

00:29:17.000 It was horrible.

00:29:18.000 Horrible.

00:29:19.000 Yeah.

00:29:19.000 Yeah, I've had some friends that have got staff in their leg where they have a small golf ball-sized hole in their leg, and they literally had a packet full of that kind of gauze covered in medicine.

00:29:28.000 I don't like how you say a small golf ball is a big hole for the back of the leg.

00:29:32.000 Yeah, that's a golf ball, but it's smaller than a golf ball.

00:29:34.000 They've got a large marble.

00:29:36.000 Any hole in the back of the leg, in my opinion, is too big.

00:29:38.000 The worst I've ever seen is Kevin Randleman.

00:29:40.000 See if you can find Kevin Randleman's staff.

00:29:42.000 He had open holes where you could see his muscle structure under his armpit.

00:29:46.000 It was horrific.

00:29:47.000 He never really recovered.

00:29:49.000 He wound up dying young.

00:29:50.000 He died?

00:29:51.000 He died young.

00:29:52.000 From that?

00:29:53.000 Who knows what he died from, but look at the hole.

00:29:55.000 I think I still have it.

00:29:56.000 Oh my gosh.

00:29:58.000 That's his muscle tissue.

00:29:59.000 That's Kevin Randleman.

00:30:00.000 What body part is that?

00:30:01.000 That's his underarm.

00:30:02.000 Oh my goodness.

00:30:03.000 Yeah, look at that.

00:30:04.000 Oh my goodness.

00:30:04.000 Yeah, that's how bad it was.

00:30:06.000 That looks like he got shot.

00:30:08.000 He does.

00:30:08.000 Yeah, he was rotting away.

00:30:10.000 And I don't know if he didn't treat it quick enough, or I don't know if it was just really aggressive, but it's a real common thing in gyms.

00:30:18.000 And once you get it, it stays with you, like it stays in your bloodstream.

00:30:22.000 I still have an essential oil diffuser on my desk, and I put thieves in it every day, and I just diffuse essential oils while I'm working into the air.

00:30:30.000 Yeah, it's like a nebulizing essential oil diffuser, just to play it safe.

00:30:34.000 I just want to be breathing that in during the day, just in case. 1.00

00:30:38.000 Fuck. 0.99

00:30:38.000 And that's the other thing, is I stand in front of this light, this infrared light, What's this? 0.99

00:30:44.000 Dick light again? 0.99

00:30:45.000 It's a dick light. 1.00

00:30:46.000 What's it called? 0.97

00:30:46.000 It's called a juve. 0.97

00:30:50.000 They've done these studies on testicular and sperm production, and they've found that there's a wavelength that's like 600 to 800 nanometers wavelength of light.

00:30:59.000 That if you expose the testicles to that for 5 to 20 minutes a day, it's based on this concept of photobiomodulation.

00:31:05.000 So I originally got into this whole photobiomodulation thing when this company, because I blog and people just send me these weird things to my doorstep to try.

00:31:15.000 And they sent me this like nasal probe that you put up your nose and it's got like a helmet on it.

00:31:20.000 You could look it up, Jamie, if you want.

00:31:22.000 It's called a vilite. 0.84

00:31:34.000 Whoa.

00:31:38.000 Whoa.

00:31:49.000 Whoa.

00:31:55.000 Up your nose, on your head.

00:31:56.000 I like how that guy's just looking pensively off into the wall.

00:31:59.000 This girl's reading a book.

00:32:00.000 She's reading a book.

00:32:01.000 She's reading Twilight.

00:32:01.000 See, that's what I originally did.

00:32:03.000 They sent me just the nose one, and I felt shorted because they had the full head, so I asked them for the full head one. 0.93

00:32:08.000 This is so fucking weird. 0.50

00:32:09.000 I know, and you can feel it pulsing. 0.97

00:32:13.000 I think it was NPR. It was either Radiolab or...

00:32:19.000 What's the other science one?

00:32:20.000 I think it might be Radiolab.

00:32:22.000 They did a study or a story on this 10 to 40 hertz frequency.

00:32:26.000 Nine volt nirvana.

00:32:27.000 Yeah, we talked about it.

00:32:28.000 No, that's TDCS. Oh, that's right.

00:32:30.000 That's transdermal stimulation.

00:32:31.000 I have one of those, too.

00:32:32.000 The transdirect cranial stimulation.

00:32:34.000 That halo device that you wear before a workout.

00:32:37.000 You use that thing?

00:32:37.000 No.

00:32:38.000 Well, it's one at a time.

00:32:39.000 We'll get to the halo thing.

00:32:40.000 One at a time.

00:32:40.000 So this photobiomodulation, I'm putting this thing, you know, the probe in my ear, and you're not even supposed to use it too much because it produces so much ATP that if you amp up cellular activity and neural tissue too much, you produce too many reactive oxygen species.

00:32:54.000 Like, that's a byproduct of cellular metabolism.

00:32:56.000 It's just like if you eat too much, you produce a lot of byproduct of making energy, and that's one of the reasons why fasting is good for you.

00:33:03.000 It cleans up the system and you don't make as many free radicals.

00:33:06.000 The same reason ketosis is good for you.

00:33:08.000 You're not burning as much glucose.

00:33:09.000 You don't produce as many free radicals.

00:33:11.000 Same concept with this.

00:33:12.000 You don't want to use it all the time because you get too much activity.

00:33:15.000 You produce too many free radicals or too many reactive oxygen species.

00:33:18.000 But every other day, you use it. 0.97

00:33:20.000 So, new year, new dick, how often did you use it? 0.99

00:33:23.000 Well, this was from my head. 0.99

00:33:25.000 And this was like a couple years ago.

00:33:27.000 But it's the same thing?

00:33:27.000 This was a couple years, and it was like a cup of coffee for my brain.

00:33:29.000 Like, every time I'd wake up, I'd put this thing on while I'm working at my desk.

00:33:32.000 So then, this company that makes these lights that are very similar activate cytochrome C oxidase, It activates release of nitric oxide, but if you do it on your testicles, specifically the cell that it works on is the latig cells in the testes,

00:33:47.000 which are responsible for producing testosterone.

00:33:49.000 So you're basically stimulating the latig cells in the testes the same way that you'd stimulate neural tissue using this one for your head. 0.99

00:33:56.000 So I'd had success with the thing for my head, so I tried this one for the balls in the dick, and what I did was I would just jack my pants down. 0.99

00:34:03.000 For 5 to 20 minutes a day while I'm diffusing my essential oils and I got the thing on my head. 0.99

00:34:08.000 And it works.

00:34:10.000 Like you actually get more blood flow.

00:34:12.000 I mean, I didn't do a control study just pulling my pants down and standing there for 5 to 20 minutes without the light on.

00:34:18.000 I should do that at some point. 0.99

00:34:20.000 Because maybe it's just like the whole, you know, it's like supposedly going combat style is supposed to be good for your dick too. 0.99

00:34:26.000 Just going combat style? 1.00

00:34:27.000 So there's you.

00:34:28.000 Yeah, that's me.

00:34:29.000 Balls out.

00:34:30.000 Yeah, I'm standing on my wobble board.

00:34:32.000 I got my ball light.

00:34:34.000 And that's actually not my office.

00:34:36.000 That was at one of my friend's houses because he had one.

00:34:39.000 And anyways, obviously I'm not naked, but normally I would be nude. 1.00

00:34:44.000 And you just nuke your balls. 1.00

00:34:47.000 And you just basically nuke your balls. 1.00

00:34:49.000 And what was the effect? 0.99

00:34:50.000 It's like a warm teddy bear. 0.94

00:34:52.000 Increased vascularity, better size, better orgasms.

00:34:54.000 I mean, like all this stuff seemed to have a... 0.99

00:34:56.000 So all this stuff seems to make your dick bigger and work better. 0.99

00:34:59.000 It had some kind of an effect, yeah. 0.99

00:35:01.000 So PRP injections, acoustic sound wave therapy, stem cells, the infrared light, the gas station dick pills, and that's the one I would not repeat. 0.95

00:35:10.000 And then they had me do some Ayurvedic stuff, like the no ejaculation thing, which is horrible, like where you have sex, but you pull out. 0.96

00:35:17.000 And you squeeze it. 0.89

00:35:19.000 It's a book.

00:35:20.000 It's called The Multi-Orgasmic Men. 0.84

00:35:22.000 So I read that and learned how to pull back, not actually orgasm.

00:35:27.000 And you pull it inside and then you finish up and you're just pissed off the rest of the day.

00:35:31.000 You can't sleep at night because you're all...

00:35:33.000 So you could see how it would work.

00:35:36.000 But for me, it's like, I got kids, and my wife and I sneak away to get it on.

00:35:39.000 Like, I want the full meal deal.

00:35:42.000 So I didn't like that, the no-ejaculation, reverse-orgasm thing.

00:35:46.000 What's it supposed to do?

00:35:48.000 Like, when you internalize the orgasm, when you keep it inside?

00:35:52.000 So this is all based on Chinese medicine principles.

00:35:56.000 I think it's called your jinn, or your jing, or something like that.

00:36:01.000 You have this energy, you know, your chi, your prana, your chakra, your life force, and apparently orgasming is and coming, like ejaculating, is supposedly one of the ways that you give some of that life force away, like you release some of your vitality.

00:36:34.000 I found tables where based on your age, there's a certain frequency with which you're supposed to ejaculate.

00:36:41.000 The younger you are, it's like every two days, every three days, and the older you get, it gets to a certain point where you're 70 years old and it's like every month or something like that.

00:36:50.000 And so it's kind of interesting.

00:36:52.000 But again, I don't like that.

00:36:54.000 I want to finish.

00:36:56.000 Yeah, I wonder if that's a preconceived prejudice that you have, though.

00:37:01.000 Like, I wonder if you just went into it, like, completely objectively, if it would have some sort of a benefit.

00:37:04.000 Or maybe you just get, like, mineral depleted and you lose all your zinc and everything else you need to make sperm and you start to cramp up.

00:37:11.000 I don't know.

00:37:12.000 To me, you'd have to be ejaculating a lot, I think.

00:37:14.000 So when you were doing all these different things, how much of a buffer did you give yourself in between each thing?

00:37:20.000 It was not a well-controlled experiment at all.

00:37:22.000 It was like three months of just like, hey, why don't we try this?

00:37:25.000 Hey, the article's coming out soon.

00:37:26.000 We should toss this in there, too.

00:37:28.000 So they probably compounded.

00:37:29.000 It was not a well-controlled experiment, and I did a lot over three months.

00:37:32.000 It would have been a lot better to just try one thing at a time.

00:37:35.000 I would be so nervous.

00:37:37.000 But I am well-hung and very vascular now for the whole experiment.

00:37:40.000 So there's that.

00:37:41.000 So yeah, it's called New Year New Dick. 1.00

00:37:44.000 And it really did make your dick bigger. 1.00

00:37:45.000 So do you think there's any hope out there asking for a friend? 1.00

00:37:49.000 Guys who have micro dicks? 1.00

00:37:51.000 What's a micro dick? 1.00

00:37:52.000 Guys who have really small penises. 1.00

00:37:54.000 I would imagine there's hope. 0.99

00:37:55.000 I'm sure they could be great politicians.

00:38:00.000 Influential it says that there's got to be some kind of trade-off, right?

00:38:03.000 Ferrari salesman.

00:38:04.000 It's like if you have sickle cell anemia, apparently it protects you from malaria. 0.99

00:38:08.000 I mean, if you have a small dick, it protects you from some kind of horrible accident later on in life. 0.99

00:38:12.000 I don't know. 1.00

00:38:13.000 I don't think so.

00:38:14.000 I just wonder, like, if there's a way to fix that in people, if maybe this is the way.

00:38:18.000 I've always felt like that's got to be one of the saddest things.

00:38:22.000 Again, you never know. 0.97

00:38:24.000 There could be a bunch of 90-year-old men walking around with dick cancer 60 years from now who heard this and all went and got injected.

00:38:30.000 So I will not attest to the safety of it, but I can attest to the efficacy of it. 0.99

00:38:35.000 Maybe some of those things would work for all those people walking around there, all of your listeners with small dicks. 0.96

00:38:41.000 Gave them salvation. 0.94

00:38:42.000 There's hope, fellas.

00:38:43.000 There's hope.

00:38:44.000 What scares me, though, is that...

00:38:48.000 You're saying it still works.

00:38:51.000 How long ago did you do this experiment?

00:38:53.000 Oh, I mean, like, the magazine is still on the shelves.

00:38:56.000 Like, it just came out.

00:38:57.000 Okay, but how long?

00:38:58.000 This was, like, several months ago, right?

00:39:00.000 This was, like, starting, I got the stem cells extracted in August of 2017. So this is, like, the end of January.

00:39:08.000 And then eight weeks later, I got those shot into the dick. 0.99

00:39:10.000 So we're only dealing with a couple months. 0.98

00:39:11.000 Six months later, after they'd really grown a lot of these mesenchymal stem cells, I got them injected into my bloodstream and into, like, that injury that I'm fighting in my back right now.

00:39:21.000 Mm-hmm.

00:39:22.000 And I'd done some other things before that for the back and for tissue, like peptides, like this BPC-157.

00:39:29.000 That we were just talking about before the show.

00:39:31.000 Yeah, which is really interesting stuff.

00:39:33.000 I mean, it's not intended for human consumption, but it's also not banned by WADA. I mean, actually, it's legal to use, and it's a peptide.

00:39:43.000 Yeah.

00:39:44.000 It's called Body Protection Compound, BPC-157.

00:39:49.000 And the 157 refers to like the sequence of amino acids that makes up the actual compound.

00:39:54.000 But you can buy it and reconstitute it.

00:39:57.000 And then if you inject it into an area, and it doesn't even have to be like a painful intramuscular injection.

00:40:03.000 It can be like a subcutaneous injection.

00:40:06.000 BPC supposedly stimulates angiogenesis, and it's a natural compound.

00:40:10.000 You find it in the human gut.

00:40:11.000 So they took this same thing that helps to heal the human gut, which is why if you were to consume this in drinking water, supposedly, and this is in rodent models, it apparently works to heal up an inflamed gut, you know, colitis, IBD, IBS, stuff like that.

00:40:25.000 But you can inject it into a joint or subcutaneously into an area around a joint.

00:40:31.000 And it supposedly stimulates the, I feel like this is a repetitive phrase on this show, the growth of new blood vessels.

00:40:37.000 So angiogenesis.

00:40:40.000 And then there's another one called TB500 that they use in racehorses.

00:40:44.000 Thymosin beta, that one is banned by WADA. But similar principle except that one acts on the actin and myosin fibers.

00:40:51.000 And actually causes regeneration of those.

00:40:53.000 So you could do both and you get angiogenesis and then also fiber regrowth.

00:40:56.000 And that's a strategy that would be like pennies on the dollar compared to stem cells.

00:41:01.000 And also, you know, a far less intensive procedure in terms of like collecting your stem cells.

00:41:07.000 Right.

00:41:07.000 Yeah.

00:41:08.000 And then there's...

00:41:09.000 So there's the fat for the stem cells.

00:41:11.000 And from what I understand...

00:41:13.000 If you're going after the anti-aging effect, the bone is better.

00:41:17.000 Like a bone marrow.

00:41:19.000 So I had my bone marrow extracted at this place called Forever Labs in Berkeley, California.

00:41:26.000 And they store that.

00:41:28.000 And then what I can do is I can just inject the 35-year-old me into my body. 0.82

00:41:33.000 Every year or every five years or whenever I want to put that back in.

00:41:36.000 So I've got bone marrow and fat marrow stored.

00:41:39.000 Let me stop you there real quick.

00:41:40.000 So they take the bone marrow and how do they have enough to just keep going?

00:41:44.000 Do they somehow replicate it?

00:41:45.000 I don't know the protocol that used to grow the stem.

00:41:48.000 Like I know the fat one, they use like a collagenase procedure that enzymatically breaks down the collagen from the fat and somehow concentrates the stem cells.

00:41:57.000 And you can actually grow them.

00:41:59.000 Like you can actually multiply them.

00:42:00.000 I'm assuming it's something similar for bone.

00:42:02.000 Huh.

00:42:03.000 And the bone would be more for, like, longevity and anti-aging, and then the fat would be more for joints.

00:42:10.000 I know a lot of people got the bone marrow done for injuries.

00:42:13.000 Yeah.

00:42:14.000 Yeah.

00:42:14.000 And it's supposed to be very painful.

00:42:16.000 Was it painful for you when they extracted the bone? 0.99

00:42:18.000 Not compared to the dick injections. 0.99

00:42:20.000 Nah! 0.99

00:42:20.000 Nah, it's all relative. 0.99

00:42:22.000 But I've been obstacle course racing, and I was a triathlete before that and did bodybuilding, so I've always done all this masochistic shit. 0.93

00:42:30.000 So I think my pain tolerance is high. 0.95

00:42:33.000 Oh, sure.

00:42:34.000 The bone marrow didn't hurt that much, no.

00:42:36.000 They numb it, they go in.

00:42:38.000 The dick one was where there was that weird pressure, a little bit of pain. 0.57

00:42:41.000 I would say that the iodine packing into the staph infection that we were talking about, that was up there.

00:42:46.000 Well, Daniel Cormier, UFC light heavyweight champion, had it done.

00:42:49.000 With the bone marrow and he was telling me it was painful as hell.

00:42:52.000 He's about as tough a human being as they get.

00:42:53.000 You mean getting injected or getting taken out?

00:42:55.000 No, just getting extracted.

00:42:56.000 I mean, it's a big needle.

00:42:58.000 He was limping around himself for a while.

00:43:00.000 When I did the stem cell injections, that was cool because they used a digital thermography.

00:43:04.000 It's like an ultrasound.

00:43:05.000 It's like what you would use to look at a baby.

00:43:07.000 Yeah.

00:43:07.000 But you can see the tissue.

00:43:09.000 You can see the areas where there's swelling or there's like a black area where the tissue is torn up or where there's edema or inflammation.

00:43:16.000 And you can, and he showed me the video after he did all the injections.

00:43:21.000 You can see the needle going into the...

00:43:24.000 You can micro-target exactly, exactly where you want to put the cells.

00:43:28.000 Yeah, I've done it.

00:43:29.000 So it's a very, very cool procedure.

00:43:30.000 I've done it and watched.

00:43:31.000 That's pretty cool.

00:43:31.000 Did they use that, the thermography?

00:43:32.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:43:33.000 It's a cool procedure.

00:43:33.000 Have you ever done Regenikine?

00:43:35.000 No.

00:43:36.000 Are you aware of it?

00:43:37.000 You know what it is?

00:43:38.000 It's one of the things that a lot of pro athletes are going to Germany to get done.

00:43:41.000 It's a form of platelet-rich plasma where they heat it up.

00:43:45.000 And by heating up the plasma, it produces this radical anti-inflammatory property.

00:43:51.000 It's like they extract it into this yellow serum.

00:43:53.000 They spin it in a centrifuge.

00:43:55.000 So if you're going to get it done, I've had it done on that.

00:43:57.000 How is that different than just normal PRP? It's more powerful.

00:44:00.000 Really?

00:44:01.000 Because it's heated up?

00:44:02.000 Yeah.

00:44:02.000 Because I've done PRP before.

00:44:03.000 Yeah, I have as well.

00:44:04.000 I mean, obviously I'm not a doctor, but according to these doctors that do it, and there's a place in Santa Monica that does it called Lifespan Medicine.

00:44:13.000 I've had it done there.

00:44:14.000 Really?

00:44:14.000 Yeah, for the longest time you had to go to Germany.

00:44:17.000 Dana White flew to Germany to get it done.

00:44:20.000 Why, because it was illegal in the US? Yes, they hadn't approved it yet.

00:44:24.000 Interesting.

00:44:25.000 I'm going over to Venice Beach.

00:44:28.000 I'm going to be down by there.

00:44:29.000 I'm going to these cats at that place I was talking about, the Human Garage.

00:44:33.000 That's an interesting place.

00:44:34.000 If you really want to talk to the guy who does it, my friend Dr. Ben Ruhi is the guy who performs the procedures down there.

00:44:40.000 He's a great guy.

00:44:41.000 He would love to talk to you, too.

00:44:42.000 Yeah, cool.

00:44:43.000 You'd get a kick out of it.

00:44:44.000 It's pretty interesting.

00:44:44.000 I'm sure someday I'll run out of stuff to inject into joints, but for now...

00:44:47.000 For me, it really helped me heal a bulging disc in my neck.

00:44:50.000 Really?

00:44:51.000 They go right into the spinal cord.

00:44:52.000 It's great for people that have pretty serious neck injuries and back injuries.

00:44:56.000 Have you tried this thing?

00:44:57.000 I think it's Peticon is the company that makes it, but it's like a neck traction device.

00:45:02.000 Yes.

00:45:03.000 I have one of those.

00:45:04.000 So I have that and a yoga trapeze.

00:45:07.000 I saw the yoga trapeze in your Instagram.

00:45:08.000 Yeah, I'll hang by the neck.

00:45:09.000 I do this when I get up.

00:45:10.000 I get up and I put a bunch of magnesium on my neck and my back to relax all the tissue.

00:45:16.000 And once you get really relaxed, I have this vibrator.

00:45:19.000 It's like a car buffer for your body.

00:45:22.000 So you can vibrate your neck and your back and you get really, really relaxed.

00:45:26.000 And it's perfect for doing your own deep tissue therapy.

00:45:30.000 But it vibrates.

00:45:31.000 So I'll do that on my body and I go hang from this neck thing.

00:45:33.000 Yeah.

00:45:34.000 And you get all these pops up and down your neck, and it apparently realigns the atlas and the axis and some of the cervical vertebrae, and there's probably a bunch of chiropractic docs who are really pissed off right now because I'm describing this incorrectly, but it feels amazing.

00:45:49.000 It just adjusts everything.

00:45:51.000 And then I hang from the yoga trapeze.

00:45:52.000 Well, what it definitely does is decompress.

00:45:54.000 It definitely decompresses your...

00:45:56.000 I don't know about all that other nonsense, but it definitely...

00:45:58.000 It's stretching out those muscles and alleviating some of the stress that comes from bad posture.

00:46:03.000 And for me, it was a lot of grappling.

00:46:05.000 Getting your neck cranked and squished and resisting things all the time.

00:46:09.000 It's like...

00:46:10.000 It's kind of similar to traction.

00:46:12.000 And I've really been getting into that.

00:46:14.000 Have you heard of ELDOA? E-L-D-O-A? No.

00:46:16.000 It's like a form of stretching where I actually had a guy come to my house for two days and he stayed in my basement and we wake up.

00:46:25.000 I've done this a few times.

00:46:27.000 I'll have people come over to me and just like teach.

00:46:29.000 There's another guy who mashes, like use a walker and just like mash up and down your body.

00:46:35.000 But this is El Doa.

00:46:36.000 So El Doa, you'll like push a joint out this way, and then out this way, and then your feet will be splayed in both directions. 0.58

00:46:44.000 There's like 20 different poses that you do, but it's a form of self-traction.

00:46:48.000 Right?

00:46:48.000 So it's like...

00:46:50.000 It's similar to like if you were to use a monster band to traction a joint.

00:46:54.000 Have you ever done that?

00:46:54.000 Like traction to your hip where you'll tie a monster band around your hip and then attach it to...

00:46:59.000 I have not.

00:47:00.000 No, but I've seen people do it.

00:47:02.000 Yeah, like kind of pulls the joint apart.

00:47:03.000 Yeah, that's El Doa.

00:47:04.000 Is that Adam from Mind Pump?

00:47:06.000 Is that the mind pump video?

00:47:07.000 I think that's my buddy Adam.

00:47:09.000 It says spinal health, LDOA, E-L-O-D-O-A. Yeah, so that's one of the ones I do in the morning.

00:47:16.000 That's L5-S1. So they all work on a specific part of the back or part of the body. 1.00

00:47:22.000 Let me say it again.

00:47:23.000 E-L-D-O-A. LDOA, L-O-A. I forget what it stands for.

00:47:29.000 It was invented by this guy named Guy Voyer, a French guy.

00:47:33.000 And...

00:47:34.000 Dude, you feel amazing.

00:47:35.000 You hold these poses for like a minute and it introduces a bunch of new blood flow to the joint.

00:47:39.000 See how he's doing that?

00:47:40.000 He'll like put his hand up and traction the fascia.

00:47:44.000 And so he's getting this intense pull.

00:47:45.000 If you were to do this, you get this intense pull on your back.

00:47:48.000 I do this one so I could show it to you after.

00:47:50.000 But you feel amazing.

00:47:51.000 I do this when I wake up now.

00:47:53.000 Who invented all this stuff?

00:47:55.000 This goes back.

00:47:56.000 This is like some French guy invented it.

00:47:59.000 And...

00:48:00.000 I don't remember how I heard about it, but I interviewed this guy named Jacob Schoen on my podcast, and he taught me all these moves and came to my house.

00:48:09.000 And it's another one of those really cool forms of stretching.

00:48:12.000 How often do you do yoga?

00:48:15.000 I have a sauna.

00:48:18.000 Do you ever do like an infrared sauna?

00:48:20.000 No, we have a regular sauna.

00:48:21.000 I use like a near-far infrared sauna.

00:48:25.000 And I go in there because your tissue gets very pliable and hot.

00:48:29.000 So I had a crane drop a 19-foot endless pool out in the forest back behind my house in Spokane.

00:48:35.000 And I keep this thing just like super-duper cold, right?

00:48:39.000 So it's like 45, 50 degrees.

00:48:41.000 So that's like my cryotherapy cold water immersion.

00:48:44.000 How do you keep it that cold?

00:48:45.000 Wow.

00:48:53.000 Wow.

00:49:03.000 And he asked about yoga.

00:49:04.000 I go in there, and this is when I do a lot of this stuff, right?

00:49:07.000 Like I'll do some of my yoga moves, some of my aldoa.

00:49:10.000 There's another really good form of stretching called core foundation, a doc named Eric Goodman, and it's like a form of decompression for the spine.

00:49:19.000 He works with a lot of athletes.

00:49:20.000 It kind of like turns on your glutes, decompresses your spine.

00:49:23.000 So I just use a mashup of all these little moves, and I'll be in my sauna for like 30 minutes.

00:49:29.000 So I'm producing all the heat shock proteins, I'm getting the nitric oxide, getting the blood flow, and you just feel good when you do the sauna.

00:49:37.000 So I get all sweaty, and I get kind of woo-woo, I'll sprinkle essential oils in there, and I'll burn like Palo Santo incense and put on...

00:49:45.000 You burn incense inside the sauna?

00:49:47.000 Put on beets, yeah, it smells really nice.

00:49:49.000 You put on beets?

00:49:50.000 Like binaural beets?

00:49:50.000 Yeah, like binaural beets.

00:49:52.000 So there's this guy named Michael Tyrell, and he makes these CDs and these tracks that...

00:49:58.000 Even when you said his name, you lowered your voice.

00:50:01.000 Michael Tyrell.

00:50:03.000 Makes these amazing tracks.

00:50:04.000 And they vibrate at specific hertz frequencies, right?

00:50:09.000 There's this whole idea that your root chakra, your fourth chakra, your heart chakra vibrates at 528 hertz.

00:50:15.000 And there's different hertz frequencies associated with different positive aspects of your...

00:50:21.000 It's this...

00:50:23.000 It's like a chakra.

00:50:25.000 Right. 1.00

00:50:25.000 But is that bullshit? 1.00

00:50:26.000 I mean, have you tried to debunk any of that? 0.99

00:50:27.000 I don't know.

00:50:27.000 I feel really good.

00:50:28.000 If I feel good, I'm going to try to debunk it.

00:50:30.000 I just do it.

00:50:31.000 Why not?

00:50:31.000 Yeah, why not?

00:50:32.000 Are you doing this with headsets on?

00:50:33.000 No, the sauna has surround speakers.

00:50:35.000 Okay.

00:50:35.000 And so I play that through the speakers.

00:50:38.000 No Bluetooth and no Wi-Fi, Jamie.

00:50:40.000 It's just like my little shitty little iPod shuffle that I plug in and play.

00:50:45.000 And so I play that while I'm in the sauna and I'm doing all my moves.

00:50:48.000 And then I walk out of my house, go through my office, walk through the forest, and I go and jump in the pool.

00:50:54.000 And I'll just like swim in there for like 50 yards.

00:50:57.000 It's not that far.

00:50:57.000 So you just jump one to the other?

00:50:59.000 Do you go back and forth?

00:51:01.000 No, it's too much to go back and forth.

00:51:04.000 I've got to keep things somewhat, because this is getting kind of complex between the light and the balls and the essential oils.

00:51:09.000 You've got to draw the line somewhere.

00:51:12.000 Sometimes I'll have friends over and we'll vape or we'll smoke in the sauna and then we'll go out to the pool and then go roll around in the snow, then get back in the pool, then go back in the sauna.

00:51:22.000 I do this, and my wife is inside making dinner, and we just feel amazing.

00:51:27.000 We got the hot, we got the cold, and then we go in and we eat dinner.

00:51:30.000 It's amazing.

00:51:31.000 It's my favorite thing to do with my friends.

00:51:32.000 But in the morning, I do the sauna, and then the ice, or the cold pool, and then I finish with a quick dip in the hot tub out in the trees, because I put a hot tub next to the cold pool.

00:51:43.000 And everything's like super clean.

00:51:45.000 You know, it's clean with ozone and minerals instead of chlorine.

00:51:48.000 And so you just feel really, really clean.

00:51:50.000 And then I walk in and start my day.

00:51:51.000 Wow.

00:51:52.000 So I do yoga.

00:51:53.000 Yeah.

00:51:54.000 But it's in the sauna.

00:51:55.000 Well, it sounds like you're just stretching.

00:51:56.000 You're not doing like the strengthening poses.

00:51:58.000 No, I do actual like...

00:52:00.000 Well, what do you mean?

00:52:01.000 Like standing bow poses.

00:52:01.000 Like warrior one, warrior two, warrior three.

00:52:04.000 Like...

00:52:05.000 Like standing bow pose, head to knee pose, like very strenuous.

00:52:10.000 I'm not doing like old person yoga. 1.00

00:52:11.000 I do the legit shit. 0.97

00:52:13.000 Listen, I know you're a fit guy. 0.99

00:52:14.000 I'm not questioning your fitness.

00:52:16.000 I do a headstand.

00:52:17.000 I'm just wondering what you're doing actually in the sauna.

00:52:20.000 Yeah, I make it up as I go.

00:52:23.000 Just based on how you feel?

00:52:24.000 Well, I was speaking in, that's why I'm down here, I was speaking in Costa Mesa a couple days ago, and there was like this banquet dinner as part of the event, and I was sitting next to this guy, and I'm like, well, what do you do for your fitness routine, et cetera?

00:52:35.000 He does Bikram yoga every day, but like the Bikram yoga, like all of the poses that are part of Bikram yoga, because it's a set series of routines.

00:52:43.000 You've done Bikram before?

00:52:44.000 Yeah.

00:52:45.000 Yeah, it's like 90 minutes, and he does that every single day.

00:52:47.000 I did it nine days in a row.

00:52:49.000 Yeah.

00:52:49.000 No, he's been doing it for like eight years every day.

00:52:52.000 I'm impressed because we did it.

00:52:53.000 We did Sober October.

00:52:54.000 We had to do 15 of them in a month, me and a bunch of my friends.

00:52:58.000 I wanted to burn it out.

00:52:59.000 So the last nine days, well, I had a few days to go, but for nine days, I just said, let me just get these out of the way.

00:53:05.000 And every day I did 90 minutes and it was like, wow.

00:53:08.000 But it's interesting because you realize that your body can do that.

00:53:11.000 It is.

00:53:11.000 You just force it.

00:53:12.000 I don't like to overdo it, though, because it's static stretching, and we know that can decrease force potential.

00:53:17.000 It can decrease power production if you become too pliable, too flexible.

00:53:21.000 Isn't that the case, though, pre-workout?

00:53:23.000 Well, it's the case pre-workout, but chronically, if you elongate tissue, and I don't know if they've actually done any studies on people who have done yoga for a really long time and compared their vertical jump before and after...

00:53:37.000 But I just feel almost too stretchy if I get too into it.

00:53:42.000 Like, I feel like when I run, it's a little bit more like Gumby running versus limiting the amount of yoga that I do.

00:53:48.000 That's weird.

00:53:48.000 That's interesting.

00:53:49.000 That's weird.

00:53:54.000 It's not a good idea.

00:53:54.000 Right, like prior to things like squats or something like that.

00:53:57.000 It was like when the lights went out during the Super Bowl a few years ago, you remember that?

00:54:01.000 And you could see on TV, both teams were just like standing on the sidelines or sitting on the sidelines doing these long hamstring static stretches.

00:54:10.000 And I wondered why they were doing that, because they were about to get back in and engage in a very powerful explosive sport.

00:54:17.000 So yeah, it's dynamic stretching, definitely, prior to forced production activities.

00:54:22.000 Yeah, I wonder why they're doing...

00:54:23.000 Maybe they just have really old-school trainers or something like that that are not aware.

00:54:26.000 Yeah.

00:54:27.000 Or maybe they just do it on their own.

00:54:28.000 Before I do that isometric training for power production, I've got two things.

00:54:34.000 I bought this stuff called Nose Torque on Amazon.

00:54:36.000 You heard of this stuff?

00:54:37.000 Nose Torque.

00:54:37.000 It's like smelling salts on steroids.

00:54:39.000 No.

00:54:40.000 Really?

00:54:40.000 Yeah, a power lifter told me about it.

00:54:42.000 And he would sniff it before he'll go like, you know, rip a 700-pound bar off the ground.

00:54:46.000 And you snort that you open up the cap on this stuff.

00:54:50.000 And it's just like releasing a wild animal into the room.

00:54:54.000 So you release the cap.

00:54:55.000 It's like smelling salts on steroids. 0.98

00:54:57.000 And you just want to go kill somebody or fight somebody. 0.97

00:54:59.000 Really? 0.93

00:54:59.000 What is it called? 0.93

00:55:00.000 It's called Nose Torque or Nose Turk.

00:55:04.000 Torque.

00:55:04.000 It's something like that, like nose torque.

00:55:07.000 T-O-R-K. T-O-R-K, yeah, there you go. 1.00

00:55:09.000 And so I do that, and then the other one that I just made, you can buy this for like pennies on the dollar on Amazon.

00:55:15.000 You can get these essential oil inhalers.

00:55:17.000 So here's some guy just smelled it.

00:55:19.000 Here we go.

00:55:20.000 He can't even get it near his face.

00:55:21.000 He's got it way up.

00:55:22.000 It's hard, like it packs a bunch.

00:55:24.000 But what is it supposed to do?

00:55:25.000 Did he just do it, or is he getting ready to do it?

00:55:27.000 He just opened it up.

00:55:27.000 It's like smelling, it's ammonia.

00:55:29.000 Right.

00:55:31.000 I don't know chemically.

00:55:33.000 I would imagine it just puts your sympathetic nervous system into overdrive when you sniff all that ammonia.

00:55:39.000 He's being really ginger.

00:55:40.000 He's like, oh!

00:55:42.000 I've done it with some of my friends at restaurants.

00:55:44.000 I carry it around sometimes.

00:55:46.000 Oh, Jesus.

00:55:46.000 You bring it to a restaurant?

00:55:47.000 I have smelt my bouquets, actually.

00:55:49.000 You can smell it.

00:55:50.000 Go get it.

00:55:51.000 Right now?

00:55:52.000 You want to sniff it right now?

00:55:53.000 Yeah, let's do it on air.

00:55:54.000 All right, let's do it.

00:55:55.000 Nose torque.

00:55:55.000 It's out in the car.

00:55:57.000 Oh, it's in the car.

00:55:58.000 You know what?

00:55:59.000 We'll do it after.

00:56:00.000 It would be boring podcasting.

00:56:01.000 Plus, if people really want to try it, they can just buy it on Amazon.

00:56:05.000 So it jacks your system up and excites you and allows you to...

00:56:09.000 So they should be on the field doing that before they...

00:56:13.000 I don't know if I would recommend that.

00:56:14.000 There'd probably be some guys like nosebleeds and heart attacks.

00:56:20.000 The other one is peppermint.

00:56:23.000 Have you ever used peppermint oil?

00:56:24.000 And they've done studies on this, on peppermint oil and athletic performance.

00:56:28.000 And what I have is this little, it looks like a little tampon.

00:56:32.000 You can buy these on Amazon.

00:56:33.000 They're called aromatherapy inhalers.

00:56:36.000 And it's like this little cotton wick.

00:56:38.000 And you put essential oil on the cotton wick, right?

00:56:42.000 So it absorbs into the wick.

00:56:43.000 And then you put the cap on, and you can carry this around in the gym in your pocket.

00:56:47.000 Or I play tennis on Wednesday nights, so I bring it to my tennis matches.

00:56:50.000 And while I'm playing tennis, I'll stop sometimes and sniff this thing.

00:56:53.000 Kind of say like awake and alert.

00:56:55.000 And dude, it's just peppermint.

00:56:57.000 It's just peppermint, but it has this amazing effect.

00:56:59.000 It's like this wakefulness promoting effect.

00:57:01.000 Wow, peppermint.

00:57:02.000 Yeah, peppermint's amazing.

00:57:03.000 If you get bloating or gas, you can smear that around your stomach and it makes it go away.

00:57:08.000 It goes through your skin?

00:57:09.000 It's one of my favorite oils to use, yeah.

00:57:11.000 How does that work?

00:57:11.000 It gets absorbed through the skin.

00:57:13.000 I mean, you know this, the skin is a mouth.

00:57:15.000 Yeah, but I mean, it gets all the way into your internal organs?

00:57:17.000 I don't know if it actually goes into the actual stomach, like through the epithelial lining and into the actual intestine, but it has an effect, for sure.

00:57:28.000 You know what I just started using recently is topical CBD. I got some topical CBD and like a roll-on, almost like a deodorant roll-on kind of a thing.

00:57:36.000 It's amazing.

00:57:37.000 Yeah, CBD, there's one...

00:57:40.000 I use this stuff called BioCBD, and it's turmeric or curcumin with CBD. And yeah, it's the same thing.

00:57:49.000 It's like a topical.

00:57:49.000 They also do THC, like THC roll-ons.

00:57:53.000 Yeah, they do that now.

00:57:54.000 Speaking of the sexual performance thing, you can actually buy like THC sex lube. 0.98

00:58:00.000 And I mean, it's like a high for your crotch. 0.97

00:58:02.000 Literally, you apply it locally, and it's like your crotch gets a high. 0.98

00:58:05.000 I believe it.

00:58:06.000 You can do the same thing with these little coconut oil, THC suppository.

00:58:10.000 Well, they're not suppository.

00:58:11.000 They're meant for swallowing in the mouth.

00:58:13.000 That's a normal route of delivery. 0.99

00:58:15.000 But you can shove them up your butt like 30 or 40 minutes before you have sex. 1.00

00:58:19.000 And you actually get like this amazing high for your crotch. 0.99

00:58:22.000 That's just like these THC coconut oil capsules. 0.91

00:58:25.000 Wow.

00:58:25.000 How'd you find out about that?

00:58:26.000 Just shove it up your butt and take notes. 0.99

00:58:29.000 They have actual bath salts. 0.99

00:58:32.000 Not bath salts like the drug, but the stuff that you put in the bath now that's THC. Really?

00:58:37.000 Yeah, they're doing everything out here now.

00:58:39.000 It's crazy.

00:58:39.000 They've gone hog wild because it's basically legal.

00:58:41.000 Out here, you mean like California?

00:58:42.000 Well, Colorado and Washington as well.

00:58:44.000 Yeah, Washington's legal.

00:58:45.000 But the guy that I get...

00:58:48.000 My stuff from California just started giving me this stuff to put in the bath.

00:58:52.000 Yeah.

00:58:52.000 And he's like, you've got to be careful, though, because you can get way too high in your bath.

00:58:56.000 I believe it.

00:58:56.000 Your skin is with your pores.

00:58:58.000 Yeah, you're literally just bathing in it.

00:59:00.000 People bathe in wine in these fancy spas.

00:59:04.000 They what?

00:59:04.000 They bathe in wine?

00:59:05.000 They have wine baths, yeah. 0.93

00:59:06.000 There's this place I go to in New York City.

00:59:09.000 It's called Are Spa, A-I-R-E. And they have one of the options to go there.

00:59:12.000 You can just take a bath in wine.

00:59:14.000 That sounds so like Caligula.

00:59:16.000 I know.

00:59:17.000 I was like, bring me the wine and a few virgins and some feed me grapes.

00:59:23.000 She's taking a drip of it.

00:59:24.000 This bath is full of wine.

00:59:26.000 Oh, that's so strange.

00:59:27.000 That's kind of cheesy, though.

00:59:28.000 She looks like a news anchor. 0.86

00:59:29.000 Yeah, she does.

00:59:31.000 Yeah, this is like for...

00:59:32.000 Oh, she's eating grapes. 0.99

00:59:33.000 There we go.

00:59:34.000 I called it the grapes.

00:59:35.000 Yeah, it's actually a cool spa.

00:59:37.000 I've never done the wine bath. 0.99

00:59:38.000 That sounds like you'd get really fucked up. 0.99

00:59:40.000 I don't know if you'd get drunk from the wine. 0.99

00:59:42.000 I don't know if it would actually wind up in your...

00:59:44.000 But they use antioxidant-rich Tempranillo grapes.

00:59:47.000 Well, how could you not get some sort of absorption?

00:59:50.000 I'm sure you would get something.

00:59:52.000 One of the things about the sensory deprivation tank is that through the Epsom salts, your body absorbs a lot of magnesium.

00:59:57.000 Right.

00:59:58.000 I like the magnesium chloride, like using actual magnesium.

01:00:02.000 And I like that because you can get it for, I mean, that's what they use to melt ice.

01:00:06.000 Like, you can just buy this stuff.

01:00:07.000 Oh, like rock salt?

01:00:08.000 Yeah, I know you guys don't melt a lot of ice in California, but, like, in Washington State, you can buy magnesium chloride, but, like, a freaking, like, concrete-sized bag, a concrete-mixed-sized bag of it, and it's the same stuff that they sell on these expensive websites as, like, magnesium salts.

01:00:20.000 It's just magnesium chloride.

01:00:22.000 Really?

01:00:22.000 And you can dump that in your...

01:00:23.000 You get way more magnesium than you get from Epsom salts.

01:00:25.000 Oh, wow.

01:00:26.000 And that's really what you want, is the magnesium.

01:00:28.000 Like, that's displacing the calcium, that's producing the relaxing effect, that's, you know, it's...

01:00:32.000 Maybe I should add that to my tank.

01:00:35.000 Magnesium?

01:00:35.000 Yeah, because I've already got the Epsom salts in there.

01:00:37.000 I'd like to ask first to make sure it's not going to mess up the...

01:00:39.000 Is there like a filtration mechanism on the tank?

01:00:42.000 Yeah, there's a pretty heavy filtration system, but it filters out the Epsom salts.

01:00:45.000 I have an idea for float tanks.

01:00:47.000 You want to hear my idea?

01:00:48.000 Of course.

01:00:49.000 That's why you're here.

01:00:50.000 I just get...

01:00:51.000 I get really bored in float tanks.

01:00:54.000 Do you?

01:00:54.000 Yeah.

01:00:55.000 Do you ever go in with edibles?

01:00:58.000 No.

01:00:58.000 That's the move.

01:00:59.000 Go in with edibles.

01:01:00.000 You would not be bored.

01:01:01.000 I've only done it three times, every time in Austin, Texas, and it's always been like I've been with my wife.

01:01:06.000 A lot of people do it with ketamine, don't they?

01:01:09.000 Yeah, that's the guy who invented it.

01:01:12.000 John Lilly's method.

01:01:14.000 Yeah, I have an edible that I make at home with Kratom, which is an opioid-like painkiller.

01:01:21.000 That's freaking amazing.

01:01:22.000 It induces this euphoria-like high.

01:01:24.000 And then I add CBD, THC, copaiba oil.

01:01:29.000 Have you ever heard of this?

01:01:29.000 No.

01:01:30.000 Copaiba oil acts on the endocannabinoid receptors very similarly to THC and CBD, but it has what's called like an entourage effect.

01:01:37.000 Meaning it enhances the effects of CBD and THC. So like if you're vaping, you can add like a couple drops of oil over the top of the herb.

01:01:47.000 Or you can mix it into like an edible.

01:01:49.000 Is this those sleep cakes that you make?

01:01:51.000 Yeah.

01:01:52.000 Yeah, I saw that.

01:01:53.000 Wow.

01:01:54.000 My sister accidentally took one last week and said she had the best night of sleep of her life.

01:01:57.000 Really? 0.63

01:01:58.000 And I don't travel with them because they just smell like you just open up a whoop-ass can full of weed.

01:02:04.000 So you don't want those in the bow case when you're traveling.

01:02:07.000 All the dogs.

01:02:07.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:02:08.000 Every dog.

01:02:09.000 There's a whole line of dogs following me through the airport running like O.J. Simpson.

01:02:13.000 Anyways, though, the mix I use is coconut oil and ghee and dark chocolate and a little bit of stevia.

01:02:21.000 I have this butterscotch toffee stevia.

01:02:23.000 It's amazing.

01:02:24.000 I travel everywhere.

01:02:25.000 I put it in sparkling water.

01:02:26.000 I put it in coffee.

01:02:27.000 Wow.

01:02:27.000 It's like an organic butterscotch toffee stevia.

01:02:30.000 Where are you getting that?

01:02:31.000 I'm addicted to it.

01:02:31.000 It's a company called Omica Organics.

01:02:34.000 High spot?

01:02:35.000 I get a three-pack.

01:02:36.000 O-M-I-C-A. I get it off Amazon.

01:02:38.000 It's a vanilla, butterscotch toffee, and plain.

01:02:42.000 If you want to sweeten something, but you don't want those extra flavors, best stevia ever.

01:02:47.000 So I put all this in the edible, and I have this countertop immersion blender called Magical Butter Machine.

01:02:53.000 Wow.

01:02:54.000 And you blend this, and it blends on top of your counter for like eight hours, and all this stuff mixes together, and then you pour it into molds, and you can just put it in the freezer, and then I keep it in these little Miran glass jars so it doesn't degrade, and it's just like the best edible ever.

01:03:09.000 So I should try some before a float tank sometime.

01:03:12.000 Oh, yeah, yeah.

01:03:13.000 But return to my float tank idea.

01:03:14.000 Okay.

01:03:15.000 So I get these ideas when I'm in the float tank.

01:03:19.000 And I want to, and usually it's like 5 or 10 minutes in.

01:03:23.000 So I spend the next 50 minutes trying to remember, like, don't forget this, don't forget.

01:03:27.000 And I try like these little mnemonic techniques where you imagine like, you know, like an image of what you remembered is waiting for you outside the door as soon as you open the float tank.

01:03:36.000 So it might work for you to remember.

01:03:38.000 But basically it just kind of screws up my whole ability to be able to just like let thoughts come and go and relax.

01:03:45.000 So my idea is this.

01:03:47.000 Why not have some kind of a recorder?

01:03:49.000 Yeah, I thought of that already.

01:03:49.000 Like a digital recorder.

01:03:51.000 You thought it was already?

01:03:51.000 Voice-activated recording.

01:03:52.000 You can get those. 0.99

01:03:53.000 Shit, I thought I was the first one to think of this. 1.00

01:03:54.000 Glue it to the wall. 1.00

01:03:55.000 No.

01:03:56.000 Screw it.

01:03:56.000 I've been doing that forever.

01:03:57.000 So like a voice-activated recorder?

01:03:59.000 Yeah.

01:03:59.000 Do you have one?

01:04:00.000 No, I never did because...

01:04:02.000 And then you walk out and you just get an mp3 playback.

01:04:05.000 Yeah.

01:04:05.000 Whatever you thought of.

01:04:06.000 I've been trying to figure out what a good one would be and how to set it up in there with all the salt and not have it degrade.

01:04:13.000 But I think what you could do...

01:04:15.000 You could just figure it out.

01:04:16.000 This is my thought.

01:04:16.000 My thought is a Velcro, like a Velcro patch, slap it in when you go in there and then activate it.

01:04:23.000 You ever see those voice-activated ones with the red light kicks on?

01:04:25.000 I've seen voice-activated recorders, yeah.

01:04:26.000 I don't want the red light, though.

01:04:27.000 That's why I'm thinking it would be super easy.

01:04:28.000 Yeah.

01:04:29.000 Well, they make these LED, you know, they're like, you know, because when I travel, I don't like to get all the blue light in the hotel rooms and I'll unplug things.

01:04:38.000 I try to make the hotel room dark, right?

01:04:39.000 Because when you flip off the lights in a hotel room, it's just like freaking Vegas, right?

01:04:43.000 There's blue lights on the TV and stuff flashing, you know, all over the place.

01:04:47.000 So they make these, and I had it for a while.

01:04:49.000 I don't travel with it anymore, but it's like a black tape.

01:04:50.000 You can put over things that light up in a room.

01:04:54.000 You can just use something like that.

01:04:59.000 They're like LED light blockers.

01:05:01.000 It's like tape, basically.

01:05:03.000 But you just put it over the cover of anything that lights up.

01:05:06.000 You can use something like that on the digital recorder.

01:05:09.000 Wow.

01:05:09.000 We could sell this for millions of dollars.

01:05:11.000 Well, I think the digital-recorded thing is a really good idea, and someone needs to...

01:05:16.000 I need to.

01:05:16.000 Thank you.

01:05:17.000 It was my idea.

01:05:18.000 It was not your idea.

01:05:18.000 I'm sure I thought of it first.

01:05:20.000 When did you first start doing it?

01:05:21.000 Oh, I thought of this like two years ago.

01:05:23.000 I started in 2002. I got you, dude.

01:05:25.000 I've had one of them.

01:05:26.000 I've had a tank since 2002. Yeah.

01:05:28.000 I raced Ironman Triathlon for eight years and just got tons of sensory depth in the water just staring at that black line at the bottom of the pool.

01:05:37.000 It's hard for me to just get in water and relax and not feel like I have to swim.

01:05:41.000 I've never been able to get that relaxed.

01:05:43.000 That's interesting.

01:05:44.000 So you associate water with the movement?

01:05:46.000 I associate water with swimming.

01:05:48.000 I get in water and I love water.

01:05:50.000 I free dive and I spearfish.

01:05:53.000 I read this book, Deep, by James Nestor.

01:05:56.000 Amazing book about all these cool things when you go down deep.

01:06:00.000 And he talks about how Olympic athletes are using this now to enhance their performance because your spleen compresses and you produce more erythropoietin, more red blood cells.

01:06:08.000 Same thing that you produce actually.

01:06:09.000 If you sauna, like if you do a workout and you get really hot and then you go in the sauna after, they've done studies on this and they found that 30 minutes of heat therapy after you've already gotten the body hot, you produce EPO the same as if you were to use the performance enhancing drug.

01:06:23.000 Yeah, that's interesting.

01:06:24.000 There was a study that just came out about cryotherapy, and this echoes something that Rhonda Patrick was saying, that if you do cryo, her advice was you should wait at least an hour after a workout before you do it and allow your body to have some sort of effect from the exercise.

01:06:42.000 But sauna, they're saying you should do almost immediately after.

01:06:46.000 So the idea with this, and there was a brand new study that just came out like three days ago where they showed that heat post-exercise enhanced the effects of exercise, whereas cold blunted the hormetic response to exercise, which makes sense.

01:06:59.000 It's the same thing.

01:07:00.000 Inside of a window, though.

01:07:01.000 It's a window of time.

01:07:02.000 So the deal is you don't want to blunt the hormetic response to exercise.

01:07:05.000 High-dose antioxidants, cryotherapy, cold immersion, all of that can do this.

01:07:11.000 That's a problem with fighters, because a lot of fighters are getting into cold immersion immediately after workouts.

01:07:17.000 Exactly.

01:07:17.000 So they should wait at least two hours.

01:07:18.000 So you'd want to wait until later on in the day.

01:07:20.000 How many hours do you think?

01:07:21.000 There's no research on the amount of time.

01:07:22.000 For me, what I do, same thing when I do a hard afternoon workout.

01:07:26.000 I wait a couple hours afterwards because you get a bigger testosterone and growth hormone response when you wait after workout to eat.

01:07:34.000 Actually, Mark Sisson was the first guy who told me about this, and it turns out that there actually is a better hormonal response when you fast post-exercise.

01:07:41.000 Same thing with antioxidants.

01:07:44.000 There are a couple exceptions I can tell you about.

01:07:46.000 Same thing with cryotherapy.

01:07:49.000 Now, at the same time, Yeah.

01:08:13.000 Yeah, Kelly Starrett sent me one of those things.

01:08:16.000 Yeah, and the cool thing is like your partner can put their temperature on and I can put my temperature on and you can sleep at whatever temp you want.

01:08:22.000 So I sleep with this thing.

01:08:23.000 Doesn't it make noise now?

01:08:24.000 At 55 degrees.

01:08:25.000 Yeah, but it's like background noise.

01:08:27.000 I sleep with all these binaural beats and everything.

01:08:30.000 I use this thing called Sleepstream.

01:08:32.000 It's like a DJ for sleep.

01:08:34.000 So I put my phone in airplane mode and then I have these noise blocking headphones.

01:08:39.000 And if you're a side sleeper, you can use these things called sleep phones, which is like a headband that goes around your head.

01:08:45.000 Anyways, though, back to the not doing the cold after exercise.

01:08:49.000 So you wait a little while, but I think decreasing the body's core temperature is good.

01:08:53.000 So like a cold shower.

01:08:55.000 Cold water immersion also beats out cryotherapy.

01:08:57.000 Beats out.

01:08:58.000 Yeah, it's actually more.

01:08:59.000 And there was a study they did last month on this that cold water immersion was very effective in reducing post-workout muscle soreness and that inflammatory response to exercise compared to cryotherapy.

01:09:09.000 But again, you should wait a little bit before you do it.

01:09:11.000 You should wait a little bit before you do it, but I think part of that is due to you get like this hydrostatic pressure of water against the skin, right?

01:09:17.000 So it kind of pushes the cold against the skin a little bit better.

01:09:20.000 And then the other reason is that when your head gets wet, when your head goes under, you know, same thing as you would get with a cold shower, you get like this mammalian dive reflex, right?

01:09:28.000 Like that sharp...

01:09:29.000 Intake of breath, and that activates your vagus nerve.

01:09:33.000 So we talked about HRV and heart rate variability tracking.

01:09:37.000 Anytime you do something like that, that improves the tone of the vagus nerve, you would actually improve your ability to recover and improve the strength of your nervous system.

01:09:47.000 Vagal nerve stimulators and they've looked into like chanting, humming, singing, jaw, they call it jaw realignment therapy, apparently removes the pressure that the trigeminal nerve can place on the vagus nerve.

01:10:02.000 There's all these things you can do to enhance the health It's a vagus nerve.

01:10:05.000 And that's one of the things that improves your HRV or your heart rate variability.

01:10:09.000 It allows your sympathetic and your parasympathetic nervous system to be more balanced.

01:10:12.000 But when you're saying tone, what do you mean by that?

01:10:14.000 The tone of the nerve, it would basically be synonymous with the health of the nerve.

01:10:20.000 I don't know if it's changing the myelin sheaths of the nerve or something like that when you're increasing the tone of the nerve.

01:10:30.000 More or less, it's healthy for the vagus nerve when you get your head wet or underwater.

01:10:36.000 So when I go in my cold pool after workout, I put my head under and then come up like five or ten times just to go up and down and up and down.

01:10:43.000 Then I get out.

01:10:44.000 And if I'm going to do a longer cold soak, it's not right after workout.

01:10:48.000 The two studies I found on antioxidant use after workout, right?

01:10:55.000 High-dose antioxidant like vitamin C, vitamin E, etc.

01:10:57.000 That supposedly blunts the hormetic response to exercise.

01:11:00.000 But there was one study that shows that green tea polyphenols don't do that.

01:11:05.000 So green tea would allow you to fight off the inflammatory effects of exercise without blunting, for example, satellite cell proliferation or building of new mitochondria or all of the things that you want to happen in response to a workout.

01:11:17.000 That's interesting.

01:11:17.000 So only green tea?

01:11:17.000 And the other one was, and this is a new thing, not a lot of people are talking about this now, but it's like hydrogen-rich compounds.

01:11:24.000 They call it hydrogen-rich water.

01:11:26.000 And there's these companies now, there's like four or five of them, they sell these tablets that you can dissolve in water.

01:11:32.000 And there's the Molecular Hydrogen Foundation.

01:11:35.000 They do research on this hydrogen.

01:11:39.000 They don't have a financial affiliation with any of these companies, so I respect some of the research that they do.

01:11:44.000 And they've found that it actually blunts or it allows for anti-inflammatory and antioxidant effects to shut down like the inflammatory response to exercise without blunting the hormetic response.

01:11:55.000 It would be like green tea and molecular hydrogen would be the two things that I know of that you could do post-workout to blunt that inflammatory response without actually blunting the hormetic response to exercise.

01:12:08.000 So it'll enhance without diminishing.

01:12:11.000 Right, exactly, exactly.

01:12:12.000 Have your cake and eat it too.

01:12:13.000 One of the things I think that's probably really good about cold immersion therapy also, I think there's a meditative aspect of getting into that incredible cold and just relaxing and calming and I think it does something for your mind.

01:12:25.000 It does, and it's the nervous system, right?

01:12:28.000 What I tell people is you have a strong, and I take my kids out there, and I've trained them since a very early age.

01:12:33.000 They go out there, they jump in the cold pool, but they'll stand in front of the cold pool and calm their nervous system, calm their heart rate.

01:12:41.000 One of them visualizes a sea otter, and the other one does a polar bear.

01:12:45.000 So they'll visualize these animals that are just impervious to cold.

01:12:49.000 And then they get in the water, and they know there's no sharp intake of breath, there's no Like people do when they take a cold shower a lot of the time.

01:12:57.000 If you can get your body to that point, I think that it probably has a pretty—it's a good indicator that you're building that nervous system resilience, right?

01:13:06.000 Like if you can just get in cold and not freak out.

01:13:08.000 Right.

01:13:08.000 So that's what I think people who do cold should train themselves to be able to do.

01:13:12.000 I've heard that argument about the sauna as well, that it also builds like a mental toughness to be able to just sit in there and calm yourself and get used to the adverse...

01:13:22.000 Get to the point where you want to bang down the door and climb out.

01:13:25.000 And yeah, that's what I like to get myself to in the sauna.

01:13:28.000 Because obviously you get a bigger expression of heat shock protein and more blood flow when you get really hot.

01:13:32.000 But yeah, there's a mental effect, too.

01:13:34.000 Same thing with the water.

01:13:35.000 I was talking about that book, the book Deep, and how I got into freediving and spearfishing.

01:13:40.000 How deep are you going?

01:13:40.000 Which I think you would love.

01:13:41.000 I would love it.

01:13:42.000 As a bowhunter dude, I told you I'm going to go hunt.

01:13:45.000 Well, Aubrey was telling me it's like hunting underwater.

01:13:47.000 Yeah.

01:13:49.000 Actually, yeah.

01:13:50.000 Aubrey and I spearfished in Kona last year.

01:13:55.000 He and Whitney and I went down there and we were just using like the little three-prong guns.

01:13:59.000 It wasn't full on like 80 feet deep, you know, big ass guns after tuna.

01:14:03.000 After tuna?

01:14:05.000 Jesus Christ.

01:14:06.000 People go out there like, I've never done deep.

01:14:08.000 I'm not good enough.

01:14:09.000 I would not want to be underwater attached to a tuna.

01:14:12.000 Well, what you do is you have a reel, and the reel is attached to a float.

01:14:16.000 Right.

01:14:17.000 And so after you shoot and you spear a big fish like a tuna, it's not dragging you, it's dragging the float.

01:14:22.000 Oh, I see.

01:14:22.000 So all you have to do is wait for that float to pop back up wherever it's going to pop up.

01:14:27.000 But I haven't done that.

01:14:28.000 That's like on my bucket list.

01:14:30.000 Big time.

01:14:31.000 I'm going back to Kona.

01:14:32.000 I got big tuna.

01:14:32.000 I'm going back to Kona in April, and that's going to be more shallow water spearfishing.

01:14:36.000 We're going to hunt for scrub cattle, sheep, goat.

01:14:39.000 You know, the pig there is amazing.

01:14:40.000 They have scrub cattle in Kona?

01:14:42.000 Yeah, and the pig feed on, like, macadamia nuts and avocado and mango.

01:14:45.000 Explain to people what scrub cattle is.

01:14:47.000 I don't know what scrub cattle is, but apparently it tastes amazing.

01:14:49.000 What scrub bulls are, they're essentially domestic cattle that have gone feral.

01:14:54.000 So some time in the past, whether it's 10, 20 generations back, whatever it was, they busted through some fences and now they're wild.

01:15:01.000 And in Australia, they hunt them.

01:15:04.000 And they're very dangerous.

01:15:06.000 Apparently they are the most aggressive bulls.

01:15:08.000 Bring it on.

01:15:09.000 I can't wait.

01:15:10.000 You've got to be real careful.

01:15:11.000 One of Adam Greentree's buddies got gored real bad and he had to be medevaced out of there.

01:15:16.000 He was in the...

01:15:17.000 I'm just going to play a shitload of techno-hunt.

01:15:20.000 I'll be ready.

01:15:21.000 So the book, I read this book by James Nestor, and I had him on my podcast.

01:15:27.000 I'm like, dude, I want to learn how to do this.

01:15:29.000 I want to learn how to compress the spleen and go under and learn how to hold my breath and get all these nervous system benefits.

01:15:34.000 You learn how to compress the spleen?

01:15:35.000 The spleen just gets compressed because of the depth.

01:15:38.000 Because I couldn't, even as an Ironman triathlete, I couldn't go deeper than 15 feet without freaking out.

01:15:44.000 Because, like, my ears would get the pressure in them, and I could do the, what do you call it, the, when you equalize.

01:15:50.000 Not the Frenzel technique, but it's the, you know, when you go, I'm forgetting the name of it.

01:15:56.000 The pop your ears.

01:15:57.000 Yeah, the pop your ears technique that most people do when they get into the water.

01:16:01.000 But there's another technique called the Frenzel technique, where you'll pull the, it's like, You see like your nose go...

01:16:10.000 See how my nose goes out like that?

01:16:14.000 If you do that, you can equalize it like 20 feet, 30 feet, 40 feet.

01:16:19.000 So I said, who can I go learn from?

01:16:21.000 He's like, you got to go see this cat down in Fort Lauderdale named Ted Hardy.

01:16:24.000 Of course, Florida.

01:16:25.000 You got to go back to Florida. 1.00

01:16:26.000 I think dicks, spleens. 1.00

01:16:28.000 Dick shots, do the stem cells, go learn how to do the spleen thing. 1.00

01:16:33.000 Fortunately, my grandmother lives in Florida, so I have a place to stay when I go there. 0.90

01:16:37.000 So there's that, at least.

01:16:39.000 And I take this freediving course, and he gets me from holding my breath for about a minute and 45 seconds.

01:16:46.000 He got me up to 4.45.

01:16:47.000 Four minutes and 45 seconds.

01:16:49.000 Took me from 15 feet over five days down to 80 feet where you're like, you actually, they put a rope in the water and you go vertical and you have like your, you know, the big fins, like you have the big fins and you have the mask.

01:17:02.000 How long are those?

01:17:03.000 I've seen those on people.

01:17:05.000 They're like half as long as that flag.

01:17:07.000 What's that, like three or four feet?

01:17:09.000 Yeah, they're like these big carbon fins.

01:17:11.000 And I said, dude, just tell me all the best things to buy.

01:17:13.000 And I contacted the editor of Spearing.

01:17:15.000 They're carbon, so they're stiff?

01:17:16.000 They're carbon, they're stiff, and you just swim so fast in them.

01:17:19.000 And I contacted the editor of Spearing Magazine and asked him, what's the best gun to buy?

01:17:23.000 What are the best fins?

01:17:24.000 So I got outfitted with all this stuff, and then I went down there.

01:17:28.000 Learned how to hold my breath.

01:17:29.000 Learned how to equalize.

01:17:31.000 And now, when I spearfish, and I still, again, I haven't got to the point where I've gone, like, I go after the grouper and the parrotfish, like the little ones.

01:17:40.000 I haven't gotten to the point now where I'm hunting the big fish. 0.59

01:17:42.000 Groupers can get pretty fucking big.

01:17:44.000 Very similar to, I know, the first time I went after them, I got two at once, two groupers at once. 0.59

01:17:49.000 And apparently it wasn't grouper season, so they had me put them back.

01:17:53.000 Put them back.

01:17:54.000 It's not as big of a deal as if you shoot an elk and a tag.

01:17:57.000 They have a grouper season?

01:17:59.000 I mean, not put them back.

01:18:00.000 I didn't take them down to their little grouper nest and take them away.

01:18:03.000 They're dead.

01:18:03.000 Leave them alone.

01:18:05.000 Can't keep them?

01:18:05.000 Yeah, you just leave them.

01:18:06.000 That seems ridiculous.

01:18:08.000 They just didn't want to get fined? 0.96

01:18:09.000 They didn't want to get in trouble.

01:18:11.000 So anyways, though, spearfishing.

01:18:14.000 Amazing.

01:18:14.000 And this whole, like, freediving.

01:18:16.000 You know, we got on this topic from the float tanks.

01:18:18.000 Similar experience.

01:18:19.000 Like, you're just at peace under the water.

01:18:22.000 You're not wearing all the scuba equipment, so fish swim up to you, and you can kind of, like, lay on the bottom of the water and, you know, shoot something as it comes.

01:18:30.000 And I go with my kids, and they, like, sit on the shore with, like, buckets and knives, and, you know, they'll help brain the fish, and then we take it back, and you have, like, fish cook-offs.

01:18:38.000 Oh, wow.

01:18:38.000 It's amazing.

01:18:39.000 It's very similar feel to bow hunting, except it's like that peaceful setting in the water.

01:18:45.000 It's probably intensely physical, too, right?

01:18:47.000 Well, it's a great workout, because not only are you cold, so you're getting all the benefits of cold thermogenesis, you know, like the white adipose to brown fat conversion, and the shivering, and the calorie burning, and, you know, the Angiogenesis and all the stuff you get from cold, but then you're also, you're freaking hunting,

01:19:03.000 right?

01:19:03.000 You're not sitting on the edge, like, with a fishing pole over a boat, which I find intensely boring.

01:19:09.000 You're actually in there.

01:19:10.000 And you're doing it all while you're holding your breath.

01:19:12.000 Doing it all while you're holding your breath.

01:19:14.000 No scuba equipment.

01:19:15.000 And people will do, like, I do breath hold walks, right?

01:19:18.000 Where I'll go on a walk, and every time I pass a telephone pole, I'll just, like, take a breath.

01:19:21.000 I'll hold my breath as long as possible when I pass a telephone pole.

01:19:25.000 And then I'll breathe through my nose to recover.

01:19:27.000 And then when I get to the next telephone pole, I'll hold my breath.

01:19:29.000 I'm probably going to die someday, like passed out next to a bus stop by a car.

01:19:35.000 Blue in the face.

01:19:36.000 But yeah, spear fit.

01:19:37.000 Like you'd like it.

01:19:38.000 I'm sure I would.

01:19:38.000 I think you'd dig it.

01:19:39.000 Yeah, it seems like an interesting mental exercise too because you have to keep your shit together while you're underwater and you want to take a breath. 0.98

01:19:45.000 You do. 0.99

01:19:46.000 And people die.

01:19:47.000 People do shallow water blackout.

01:19:48.000 And this is what I learned.

01:19:49.000 That's why this guy sent me down to Fort Lauderdale, because this guy, he teaches safety, right?

01:19:54.000 You don't do, like, the Wim Hof breathing and blow off all the carbon dioxide so you can hold your breath longer, which is great for holding your breath longer, but carbon dioxide is your body's signal to take a breath.

01:20:04.000 Right.

01:20:04.000 So if you breathe all your carbon dioxide, then you can pass out, you can do shallow water blackout.

01:20:09.000 So, for example, you're floating on the water before you're going to take a dive down.

01:20:14.000 So you're kind of like watching the water, you're watching the fish, and you might do like a two-count breath in.

01:20:18.000 One, two.

01:20:20.000 Two-count hold, and then ten-count breath out, two-count hold.

01:20:24.000 And you're just like getting the heart rate down.

01:20:31.000 Sure.

01:20:46.000 Dominique D'Agostino, he's done research on divers and reducing a lot of the effects of reduced flow of oxygen to the brain that apparently these Navy SEAL divers get.

01:20:58.000 And he does research on the use of ketosis and ketones.

01:21:02.000 And one of the days that we were out there, I actually took ketones and they increased my breath hold time just using these exogenous ketones.

01:21:09.000 Really?

01:21:09.000 So apparently they have an effect as well.

01:21:11.000 That's fascinating.

01:21:12.000 I don't know if it's because the brain is using more of the ketones and the glucose, but they increase breath hold time.

01:21:16.000 Yeah, they came up with that for rebreathers, right?

01:21:19.000 Like, that's when they started getting people, yeah, Navy SEAL divers, when they're using rebreathers, apparently, a certain percentage of them are susceptible to seizures.

01:21:26.000 Yeah, and they use, you know, well, two things, you know, ketosis and CBD are two things that are used for, like, epilepsy and seizures.

01:21:35.000 Yeah, yeah, ketosis supposedly has an amazing effect with kids, kids that have seizures.

01:21:40.000 I did 12 months of, like, strict ketosis.

01:21:44.000 Really?

01:21:44.000 How'd you like it?

01:21:45.000 For a lab study.

01:21:46.000 In Florida.

01:21:48.000 No, I'm just kidding.

01:21:51.000 University of Connecticut.

01:21:52.000 This guy named Jeff Volek.

01:21:56.000 He does a lot of ketone research.

01:21:58.000 And he had one group of athletes follow just a normal endurance athlete diet for 12 months.

01:22:04.000 And another group follow like a high-fat, low-carb, ketogenic diet for 12 months because he wanted to see if you would maintain your glycogen levels and if your performance would be synonymous to the group that did not eat the high-fat, low-carb diet,

01:22:20.000 what would happen to inflammatory markers, what would happen to the gut microbiome.

01:22:25.000 A lot of these studies on high-fat, low-carb diets, they'll follow people for two weeks or three days and have them eat high-fat, low-carb, and then see what happens when they go jam on a bike for 30 minutes or exercise, but they want to do a long-term study to see if the body can adapt to burning fats as a fuel with long-term utilization of a high-fat diet,

01:22:46.000 which I don't do anymore, by the way.

01:22:48.000 I save all my carbohydrates for the evening, then I eat a bunch of carbohydrates in the evening.

01:22:52.000 What kind of carbs do you eat?

01:22:54.000 Oh, like red wine, dark chocolate, tubers, starches, yams, sweet potatoes.

01:22:58.000 My wife's a cook, so she does this amazing slow-fermented sourdough bread, which pre-digests all the gluten and lowers the glycemic index. 1.00

01:23:07.000 It's pretty much quinoa, amaranth, milk.

01:23:09.000 I don't follow a specific diet in terms of restricting certain food groups.

01:23:13.000 My philosophy is you just make them digestible.

01:23:16.000 I've read that about eating carbs at night, that it's a good thing to relax here as Well, technically, you're more insulin sensitive in the morning, but you can make yourself more insulin sensitive in the evening.

01:23:30.000 And the advantage of that is if you consume a bunch of your carbohydrates in the morning when you're in an insulin sensitive state, what are you going to rely upon as your primary fuel during the rest of the day?

01:23:40.000 Carbohydrates.

01:23:40.000 Carbohydrates, right?

01:23:41.000 Instead of teaching your body how to be a fat-burning machine and tap into fats and generate ketones.

01:23:45.000 So you save your carbohydrate intake for the end of the day, but I also save my hard workout for the end of the day, which is when your body temperature peaks and your grip strength peaks.

01:23:55.000 And you can do a hard workout.

01:23:59.000 Anybody who rolls out of bed and tries to do a CrossFit WOD versus doing it, you know, 5 p.m.

01:24:03.000 in the afternoon knows this.

01:24:04.000 Like, you can do a pretty good hard workout, like in the later afternoon or the evening when you're warmed up.

01:24:08.000 But that also upregulates insulin sensitivity and the activity of these GLUT4 transporters that can, you know, shove glucose into muscle tissue, for example.

01:24:16.000 And so then you can have your cake and eat it too, right?

01:24:19.000 You create your own insulin-sensitive state and then you go off.

01:24:23.000 And typically I'll finish that workout around like 6, 6.30, right?

01:24:27.000 And like I mentioned, I don't eat dinner for a couple hours after the workout.

01:24:30.000 It's like 8, 8.30, we sit down to a family dinner.

01:24:33.000 And I'll just eat as many carbohydrates as I want because I'm in an insulin sensitive state by the next morning.

01:24:39.000 And I tested this for a while.

01:24:40.000 I did like the blood ketone and the breath ketone testing.

01:24:42.000 I'm back in a fat burning state by the next morning.

01:24:45.000 That's interesting, even with the bread.

01:24:47.000 I've also replenished my glycogen stores in my liver and my muscle to be able to do the next day's hard workout.

01:24:54.000 So I like this strategy for athletes because they can get all the benefits of a fat burning state, the reduced free radical production from excess glucose intake.

01:25:02.000 Yeah.

01:25:19.000 Have your carbohydrates to replenish all your energy levels.

01:25:21.000 Then you go into the next day.

01:25:23.000 What's your primary food source during the day?

01:25:25.000 Do you have standard foods that you choose?

01:25:28.000 We have a lot of really good wild plants that grow up on our land.

01:25:32.000 So I have 10 acres up there in Washington state.

01:25:34.000 We've got like wild nettle and mint and plantain and organ grape roots and comfrey and all these amazing plants.

01:25:41.000 So we also have eight raised garden beds where we grow kale and bok choy and Swiss chard.

01:25:47.000 Do you raise them so that they're not as obsessible to?

01:25:50.000 Ground frost?

01:25:51.000 Well, when you raise a garden bed, you can just add whatever type of soil that you want to, versus digging down.

01:25:57.000 Because my wife does a lot of composting. 1.00

01:25:58.000 We have chickens and goats, so she used a lot of the dung from the chickens and the goats and the leftover food from inside and does composting. 0.87

01:26:05.000 And so we use a lot of this in the raised garden beds.

01:26:08.000 I started gardening this year indoors.

01:26:10.000 I'm growing something called splilanthes, which I can tell you about later.

01:26:13.000 It's amazing.

01:26:14.000 I found it in Kauai.

01:26:15.000 But what I do during the day is eat a lot of wild plants.

01:26:20.000 So when I'm coming in from that cold pool in the morning, I'll gather some plants and I throw those in a blender with some fats like coconut milk or coconut oil.

01:26:30.000 I'll do some bone broth and some lemon because when you mix vitamin C with collagen, you make the collagen a lot more absorbable.

01:26:37.000 So I'll mix the vitamin C with bone broth.

01:26:40.000 I'll put that into the blender.

01:26:42.000 A whole bunch of superfoods.

01:26:43.000 I'll blend it for like two minutes.

01:26:44.000 Because if you blend it for a long time, it gets a texture like a Wendy's Frosty.

01:26:48.000 And you can eat it with one of those long...

01:26:51.000 You've had a Wendy's Frosty before, right?

01:26:53.000 You look confused for a minute when I said Wendy's Frosty.

01:26:56.000 I'm like, what kind of horrible life.

01:26:58.000 What did your parents do to you?

01:26:59.000 You never had a Wendy's Frosty.

01:27:01.000 So it gets this Wendy's Frosty-like consistency.

01:27:03.000 It's just a bunch of wild plants and fats, and I put that stevia in there.

01:27:08.000 I put a little bit of cacao in there.

01:27:10.000 Sometimes I'll do a little bit of whey protein, like a good grass-fed whey or some kind of protein source.

01:27:15.000 And then I put like crunchy things in.

01:27:19.000 So I put it all in a bowl with a spatula.

01:27:22.000 Crunchy?

01:27:22.000 Yeah, like coconut flakes and cacao nibs.

01:27:25.000 And like I use like these little spirulina and chlorella tablets.

01:27:29.000 And so it's like eating a...

01:27:32.000 It's like when you go to a yogurt store and you get the yogurt and you get the toppings on top of it...

01:27:36.000 But it's like this amazing ketogenic, superfood-rich meal.

01:27:40.000 And by blending it all together and blending the fats with all the ingredients, you're actually enhancing the absorption.

01:27:46.000 Wow.

01:27:46.000 And so that's what I have for breakfast.

01:27:49.000 Dude, you should open a cafe.

01:27:50.000 That sounds good.

01:27:50.000 I want to order one right now.

01:27:52.000 Well, I'm trying to make it into like a drinkable...

01:27:57.000 A drinkable form.

01:27:58.000 Something that will stay in that form?

01:28:00.000 Yeah, I'm going over to see Rick Rubin after this over in Malibu, and he does the same thing for breakfast.

01:28:06.000 And that's actually one of the things we're talking about over there.

01:28:07.000 Did you teach him how to do this?

01:28:09.000 No, it's so random.

01:28:10.000 We go sauna together over there in Malibu, and we were...

01:28:15.000 We both do the same thing.

01:28:17.000 Like, his is a little bit different.

01:28:19.000 Like, he puts some different things in it, the same thing.

01:28:21.000 And it's an amazing breakfast, because you can sit there and, like, I do a lot of dictation on my computer, so I'll sit there and I'll dictate emails while I'm eating my smoothie with a spoon.

01:28:30.000 Wow.

01:28:30.000 It's amazing.

01:28:31.000 And then I do a salad for breakfast, or for lunch, a big-ass salad.

01:28:35.000 Again, a whole bunch of wild plants.

01:28:37.000 And I'll put like sardines, seeds, nuts, you know, just good fats on there.

01:28:42.000 And then I have like these nori wraps, which is like a seaweed wrap, really good in iodine, really nutrient dense.

01:28:49.000 And then I use miracle noodles.

01:28:51.000 Have you had miracle noodles before?

01:28:53.000 So they're made out of Japanese yam.

01:28:55.000 They call them shirataki noodles.

01:28:57.000 My kids make pad thai out of this.

01:28:59.000 They have like a cooking podcast where they do all these crazy, crazy meals.

01:29:02.000 And one of the things they use a lot of are these shirataki noodles.

01:29:04.000 So I make these Japanese yam noodles.

01:29:07.000 I put them on top of the salad and then I roll that up in like a nori burrito wrap and I eat that like a burrito for lunch.

01:29:14.000 Wow.

01:29:14.000 And then dinner, like I mentioned, is just, you know, whatever my wife happens because dinner is like my free meal, right?

01:29:19.000 It's just whatever I want to have.

01:29:20.000 But for this study, for Jeff Volek's lab, it was 12 months, strict ketosis.

01:29:24.000 And they brought us into the lab and me and the group of ketogenic athletes and also the whole group of endurance athletes following a traditional carbohydrate-rich diet do a VO2 max test the night that we got there.

01:29:36.000 And then the next morning, they punched a bunch of holes in our thighs with needles and did a biopsy of the muscle to see how much glycogen was in the muscle.

01:29:44.000 And then with these big holes in our muscles, we had to go run on a treadmill for three hours.

01:29:49.000 So I ran.

01:29:50.000 22 miles on this treadmill.

01:29:51.000 So when you're saying punch a hole, like a thin tube?

01:29:53.000 They wanted to see how much glycogen.

01:29:55.000 So they pull out tissue?

01:29:56.000 It's like a muscle biopsy.

01:29:56.000 It's like a little guillotine.

01:29:58.000 That's a big needle.

01:29:59.000 Especially when you go pound on the treadmill after you've had these needle biopsies in your thighs. 0.87

01:30:04.000 And then they did fat biopsy because they wanted to look at fat content up on either side of the hips. 0.98

01:30:09.000 And then I ran for three hours on this treadmill.

01:30:12.000 And it was horrible.

01:30:13.000 There was like no TV. Three hours?

01:30:16.000 It was a white wall on the treadmill.

01:30:18.000 And I was hooked up to like a blood collection device.

01:30:23.000 Did you have a Walkman on or anything?

01:30:24.000 A Walkman?

01:30:25.000 What am I in the 90s?

01:30:26.000 Yeah, I had a Walkman.

01:30:28.000 How did that even come out of my mouth?

01:30:30.000 I had my aerobic socks on.

01:30:32.000 Like Jane Fonda back in the day.

01:30:35.000 Exactly.

01:30:36.000 So you were just running for three hours staring at the wall?

01:30:38.000 I was running for three hours staring at the wall.

01:30:39.000 That's got to be the worst part of it.

01:30:40.000 It was horrible.

01:30:41.000 I didn't know going in. 1.00

01:30:42.000 I walked in the room and I'm like, oh shit. 0.99

01:30:44.000 Because I would have brought something to watch. 0.99

01:30:47.000 But I ran.

01:30:48.000 And they were testing fat oxidation rates at rest and at exercise.

01:30:52.000 So I'm wearing this mask.

01:30:54.000 It does what's called indirect calorimetry, where based on the carbon dioxide that you breathe out and the oxygen that you consume, it approximates your carbohydrate and your fat burning rate.

01:31:02.000 It's kind of like the gold standard of metabolic testing in laboratory situations, like in an exercise physiology lab.

01:31:09.000 And so you're testing how much fat you're burning during exercise, how much carbohydrate you're burning during exercise, something called your respiratory exchange ratio is what it's called.

01:31:18.000 And the prevailing research and the literature suggests that you can burn about 1.0 grams of fat per minute during exercise.

01:31:28.000 Like that would be about how much fat you would burn, 1.0 grams of fat per minute.

01:31:32.000 When they tested, this was called the FASTER study, F-A-S-T-E-R. They found that the folks who followed a high-fat diet, like me and these other people who are eating high-fat diet, we were burning 1.5 to 1.7 grams of fat per minute during exercise, during this three-hour treadmill run.

01:31:47.000 We had no deficit in performance.

01:31:49.000 Our VO2 maxes were just as high, and we maintained our levels of muscle glycogen.

01:31:54.000 And so basically there was no, we didn't go any faster.

01:31:58.000 I'm not saying like a ketogenic diet is going to make you better at endurance sports because I've never seen any evidence that that's going to happen.

01:32:03.000 But we did go just as fast and we actually burnt, we turned our bodies into fat burning machines over the course of 12 months.

01:32:11.000 It was actually a really cool study.

01:32:12.000 So the benefits would not be necessarily performance, but the benefits are more health-wise, cancer, prevention.

01:32:19.000 A lot of people, they get gut rot and fermentation from eating a lot of fermentable carbohydrates.

01:32:23.000 Some people get small intestine bacterial overgrowth.

01:32:26.000 Some people get blood glucose fluctuations.

01:32:29.000 You see a drop in what's called the first phase insulin response.

01:32:34.000 Normally, you're supposed to produce a lot of insulin when you eat a meal, or at least enough to be able to shove that substrate into storage tissue and Normally, you'd be able to produce this, and by getting a lot of glycemic variability during the day, you eventually produce insulin insensitivity, right?

01:32:48.000 Like, you don't have that normal first-phase insulin response.

01:32:50.000 And you can restore.

01:32:52.000 You can use things like bitters and chew your food a lot and, you know, strength train before you eat a carbohydrate-rich meal, you know, things like that.

01:32:59.000 But ultimately...

01:33:02.000 Yeah, it's more of like a health and longevity thing.

01:33:04.000 It's not like eating low carbohydrate makes you faster.

01:33:06.000 It's just that you avoid a lot of the potential issues, the potential health issues that would come with a large amount of glucose fluctuations.

01:33:14.000 But there's exceptions to that rule, right?

01:33:17.000 Like you could go get your genetics tested and you might find out you have, let's say, familial hypercholesterolemia, in which case if you eat like a ketotic diet, you'll produce a lot of like oxidized cholesterol.

01:33:29.000 400, 500 and really high LP little a and all these issues with a high amount of fat consumption because their bodies are unable to deal with that amount of cholesterol.

01:33:41.000 That's a big point.

01:33:42.000 That's a big point.

01:33:43.000 Customizing.

01:33:44.000 I can't stress that enough is that human beings vary so widely.

01:33:46.000 A huge, huge amount.

01:33:48.000 There's a great book that Brian Callen turned me on to that I'm reading right now called Sapiens.

01:33:53.000 The Origins of Human Beings.

01:33:56.000 It's completely fascinating.

01:33:58.000 It's crazy.

01:33:58.000 There's another book called Biochemical Individuality.

01:34:00.000 It's like an old book, but I was looking through it.

01:34:02.000 It's fascinating.

01:34:03.000 There's like 12 different shapes of the stomach and like seven different ways that the heart is shaped.

01:34:08.000 And certain people will excrete copious amounts of vitamin D and need a lot more vitamin D intake.

01:34:13.000 And other people develop vitamin D toxicity in response to like the 2,000 or 4,000 international units that a lot of people are popping these days.

01:34:20.000 Certain people develop...

01:34:21.000 High cholesterol and high triglycerides and high inflammation in response to a ketogenic diet, and some people don't.

01:34:29.000 We live in an era where it's cheap to get your genes tested, and it's only going to get cheaper.

01:34:36.000 You'd have to really find a good expert that really understands what the difference in the genetic variabilities are.

01:34:42.000 Otherwise, you're just testing.

01:34:45.000 You're trying your ketogenic diet, testing out your blood work, and trying to figure it out.

01:34:49.000 It's very complicated for the layperson.

01:34:51.000 It is, but I mean, like, in very simplistic terms, I've told some people this, right?

01:34:55.000 You could at least test your genetics, and there's actually a really good book about this called The Jungle Effect by Dr. Daphne Miller, and she goes into how, like...

01:35:04.000 She'll put, like, her Hispanic clients on, like, a traditional Mexican diet comprised of, like, you know, soaked and sprouted legumes and low glycemic index, you know, tortillas and non-GMO corn and take them back to what their ancestors would have eaten. 0.99

01:35:21.000 Like, she'll literally take, like, what the Taramahara Indian tribe is eating in South America and put her Hispanic clients on that. 1.00

01:35:26.000 Or she'll put, like, her African American clients on a fiber-rich fermented, like, Cambodian diet. 0.92

01:35:33.000 And you could easily do it.

01:35:35.000 It's not rocket science.

01:35:36.000 You go get your genetics tested, you see where your ancestors came from, and you try to approximate.

01:35:41.000 And obviously we're a genetic melting pot in America, and there's going to be some people who are just like, oh crap, I come from Japan and Europe and Ethiopia.

01:35:51.000 There's some people who come from all over the place, in which case you would have to take a deeper dive.

01:35:55.000 You can get blood work.

01:35:57.000 What I tell people is get your genes tested.

01:36:00.000 Get a comprehensive blood analysis.

01:36:03.000 Get your gut tested, right?

01:36:04.000 So you could look at your bacterial balance, presence of parasites, yeast, fungus, all those kind of little things that affect gut health and personality and everything else that the microbiome affects.

01:36:15.000 And then like a urine test for hormones, which is more accurate than a blood test.

01:36:20.000 And that's a lot of testing, but I mean, if you really, really, truly want to dial things in, it's genetic testing, it's blood testing, urinary testing for hormones.

01:36:28.000 There's a test called the Dutch test.

01:36:30.000 It tests like your testosterone all throughout the day, the metabolites of testosterone, your cortisol all throughout the day, the metabolites of cortisol.

01:36:37.000 So you could actually see like, you know, do I really have high cortisol or am I just not breaking it down quickly enough, for example?

01:36:44.000 I just wish there was a place that you could go that was very comprehensive that the average person could go to where they could do all this stuff for you and break it down for you.

01:36:52.000 It seems like there's more and more of a market to that every day.

01:36:54.000 It's going to cost $10,000.

01:36:56.000 Actually, there is a place.

01:36:58.000 There's some of these guys who are trying to live forever.

01:37:02.000 I think one of them is Peter Diamandis.

01:37:05.000 Craig Benter, I think, is another guy.

01:37:07.000 Where are these places?

01:37:07.000 The Human Longevity Institute, I think it's called.

01:37:10.000 Yeah, like some of these rich dudes, right?

01:37:13.000 Like a lot of these billionaires.

01:37:14.000 They're going to these places and getting the comprehensive blood testing done.

01:37:18.000 I do a lot of that myself just by ordering it from direct labs.

01:37:22.000 Well, you have a deep understanding and knowledge of all this stuff.

01:37:25.000 It's different than the average person.

01:37:27.000 Yeah, plus I'm injecting stem cells into my...

01:37:29.000 But I think for the average person that's listening to this, it's a little confusing and maybe a little frustrating because it would be nice if there was a place you could go that's like the dentist.

01:37:39.000 You go to the dentist, hey, Bob, you've got a cavity.

01:37:41.000 Right.

01:37:42.000 It's all pretty straight cut.

01:37:43.000 Exactly.

01:37:44.000 There's companies working on that right now, like an actual dashboard where you get a home test kit done, and there are actually microneedles now.

01:37:53.000 That you can attach to the skin.

01:37:54.000 You patch it on yourself.

01:37:56.000 You send off a tiny, tiny amount of blood.

01:37:58.000 And you get a host of blood values back.

01:38:00.000 And then you would be able to see what you have deficits in.

01:38:04.000 And I could totally see them pairing that with food delivery companies.

01:38:07.000 Or even just printouts.

01:38:09.000 Like, here's your protein-carb-fat ratio.

01:38:12.000 It'll happen.

01:38:13.000 Now, when you were on the strict ketogenic diet for 12 months, what was your diet?

01:38:17.000 What did you basically eat?

01:38:19.000 No Italian. 0.99

01:38:21.000 Is that the first thing you ate when you got off?

01:38:24.000 Just order a pizza and have some spaghetti?

01:38:26.000 I don't remember what I ate.

01:38:27.000 It was like my bodybuilding days where you go way in in the morning before the show and then the rest of the day you eat freaking ice cream and bread and you look like an Olympic god when you get up on stage because everything's popping.

01:38:41.000 All that glycogen gets restored after about eight hours.

01:38:45.000 How does that work?

01:38:46.000 I don't remember what my first meal was.

01:38:47.000 Well, when you don't eat many carbohydrates, you upregulate levels with something called glycogen synthase, which is an enzyme responsible for helping to get glycogen into muscle tissue.

01:38:56.000 So this would be a process that you would do before a show?

01:38:58.000 Glycogen depletion followed by glycogen restoration causes this big surge in glycogen.

01:39:04.000 Plus, going into a show, you're restricting carbohydrates anyways because it's hard to get very, very low body fat.

01:39:11.000 That's why you see bodybuilders eating glycogen. 0.98

01:39:13.000 Freaking like chicken and broccoli, right?

01:39:15.000 So the same thing is something I did when I did triathlon, right?

01:39:20.000 You'll like carbohydrate deplete the weekend before a race.

01:39:23.000 And then I used to do this.

01:39:24.000 You'd eat like no carbohydrates on Saturday and Sunday for a race that follows the next Sunday.

01:39:29.000 And then Monday, you'd start to eat more carbohydrates, Tuesday even more.

01:39:34.000 And by like Saturday before the race, you're eating like 90% carbohydrate.

01:39:37.000 This is what I did before I kind of trained my body to do like ketosis and Mm-hmm.

01:39:41.000 Function while on a low-carb diet.

01:39:43.000 But you're just, I mean, you're jacked up, chock full of glycogen because you upregulate that enzyme.

01:39:48.000 It's called, what's it called?

01:39:50.000 Carbohydrate, it's just basically carbohydrate depletion and carbohydrate loading.

01:39:54.000 Now, was there any benefit of that performance-wise versus what you're doing now?

01:40:03.000 There's not necessarily a benefit in that you go faster if you've trained your body how to operate well on a low-carbohydrate diet.

01:40:16.000 I've never, like I said, seen any evidence that a low-carbohydrate ketogenic diet makes you go faster than if you were eating a regular carbohydrate-rich diet.

01:40:26.000 But I also haven't seen that if you do like I did and follow it strict for a long time...

01:40:32.000 There's not a lot of evidence that makes you go slower either.

01:40:35.000 So it's kind of like, it's like even keel.

01:40:37.000 Right, so it's just a health longevity benefit.

01:40:40.000 It's more of like, hey, if I can live a longer time and feel better and produce less reactive oxygen species by doing this versus the high carbohydrate intake, then why not do it?

01:40:50.000 And I mean, when you look at like the Nike project and how they were trying to break the marathon record in Italy They were using these crazy engineered forms of carbohydrate where they went way above these maltodextrin fructose blends that a lot of companies like Gatorade use, and they were using these super engineered carbs.

01:41:07.000 It's possible that some of these newer carbohydrates that are engineered for extremely high absorption could beat out.

01:41:14.000 If we were to study those in a high-fat, low-carb athlete who'd followed that diet for a long period of time versus a traditionally fueled athlete who was eating these newfangled engineered carbohydrates...

01:41:23.000 It's possible the newfangled engineered carbohydrates could make you go faster, but unless your paycheck is on the line and you're a pro, I still say, you know, why not get that balance between health and longevity and speed.

01:41:34.000 My thyroid, though, did not like that high-fat ketogenic diet paired with high levels of physical activity.

01:41:42.000 My testosterone went down.

01:41:43.000 Like, there were some issues.

01:41:44.000 That's fascinating because usually you hear the opposite.

01:41:47.000 People with thyroid disease, they recommend a ketogenic diet to those people.

01:41:51.000 Yeah, but look at it this way.

01:41:54.000 And I explain this to a lot of athletes who I work with who want to do the ketogenic diet thing.

01:41:58.000 You read a book like, you know, there's some fantastic ketogenic diets out there that are plant-rich, which a lot of ketogenic diets aren't, right?

01:42:06.000 They'll be like coconut oil and butter.

01:42:08.000 And that actually creates a lot of gastric inflammation in the absence of like, you know, high amount of polyphenols and flavonoids and high fiber and plant intake.

01:42:16.000 Like you want both.

01:42:17.000 I wrote an article about this called The Dark Side of Coconut Oil that gets into the fact that if you're going to do like a high fat, low carb, ketogenic type of diet, you would want to include a lot of plants.

01:42:28.000 Dr. Terry Walls has a book called The Walls Protocol.

01:42:30.000 That's got a plant-rich ketogenic version in it.

01:42:32.000 Stephen Gundry has his book The Plant Paradox, and he has like a ketogenic version in that book that's like very plant-rich.

01:42:39.000 So if you're eating like a plant-rich ketogenic diet and you're following what a lot of these people have written, you'd generally be advised to eat like 30 to 50 grams of carbohydrates per day, which is fine if you have thyroid disease or you have some other issue, you know, pre-diabetes,

01:42:55.000 whatever, and you're trying to control it with a ketogenic diet.

01:42:57.000 But then once you throw copious amounts of physical activity into the mix, right, you're a CrossFitter, you're an Ironman triathlete, and you go read one of these books and you read the supposed to be 50 grams of carbohydrates.

01:43:06.000 Well, you know, the authors of those books, to my knowledge, are not out racing Ironman triathlons and, you know, doing marathons and copious amounts of physical activity.

01:43:15.000 So you have to up the carbohydrate intake.

01:43:18.000 So it's all about, you know, so for me personally, like 100 to 200 grams of carbohydrate.

01:43:23.000 And still maintain ketosis.

01:43:24.000 Carbohydrate feed at the end of the day.

01:43:26.000 I'll still maintain ketosis.

01:43:28.000 And so, again, you have your cake and eat it too.

01:43:31.000 That's a radical physical output that you're talking about.

01:43:33.000 Exactly.

01:43:34.000 So, if you have like a thyroid issue and you're highly active and you want to follow a ketogenic diet, then you need to include more carbohydrate than would be recommended in, let's say, like a more sedentary type of ketogenic diet.

01:43:46.000 Well, that makes sense because you're always reading these diets based on just the average person.

01:43:50.000 And the average person is just not going to put out that kind of output.

01:43:52.000 And you want to include a lot of the things that you tend to build up deficits in, like potassium and magnesium are two biggies.

01:43:58.000 And you dump a lot of glycogen, and glycogen stores a bunch of water, and it stores a bunch of electrolytes, so you have to figure out how to replace that.

01:44:04.000 And now people are using these exogenous ketones, like the ketone salts or the ketone esters.

01:44:11.000 And the danger with those is now you can get into ketosis, but still also have high blood glucose.

01:44:18.000 And that's something that we haven't really studied.

01:44:20.000 That's not like our ancestors out hunting.

01:44:24.000 It's not like they were in ketosis because they were burning a lot of their own body fat and generating ketones as a byproduct.

01:44:31.000 And they were in just like a natural state because they weren't eating a lot of food, sometimes just not stuffing their face with carbohydrates and glucose.

01:44:40.000 But now people are able to eat a normal Western diet.

01:44:43.000 Yeah.

01:44:43.000 And then like buy one of these ketone supplements and also be in ketosis.

01:44:47.000 So you're hyperglycemic and hyperketotic.

01:44:49.000 And I did that before a race and I felt like I was on steroids.

01:44:54.000 Really?

01:44:54.000 Like it was like rocket fuel because my blood glucose was jacked through the roof.

01:44:58.000 So I did a bunch of like fructose maltodextrin energy-based gels.

01:45:02.000 And then I drank a bottle of these ketone esters, which basically, I mean, they have, if you measure your ketones, you'll know that this is high.

01:45:10.000 But within 10 minutes, my values were above 7 millimolar, which is just off the charts for ketones.

01:45:15.000 But my blood glucose was also off the charts.

01:45:17.000 And I felt like my cells had, like, both forms of fuel they'd ever need, both ketones and glucose.

01:45:23.000 And I felt amazing.

01:45:25.000 But I'll bet, I mean, that's similar to, like, diabetic ketoacidosis.

01:45:28.000 Like, if you're in that state all the time and you're using all these ketone supplements and just eating your diet and using these because you're, quote, in ketosis, unquote, I don't think it's healthy.

01:45:36.000 I wonder if it would be great, though, performance-wise, like for a fight or something like that.

01:45:41.000 It's amazing.

01:45:42.000 It's amazing.

01:45:42.000 You feel unstoppable.

01:45:44.000 I would think that.

01:45:44.000 I wonder if athletes have tried that.

01:45:46.000 And as long as you use that, it's like you use it as a, you know, it's like I heard somebody say it's like sugar is a sometimes drug.

01:45:53.000 Right.

01:45:54.000 Because it does, like, you can feel and it can give you, especially if you're not fat adapted, I mean, carbohydrates give you a pretty big boost in performance and energy versus not having them on board when you're exercising and especially when you're exercising hard.

01:46:05.000 And this would be like that, right?

01:46:06.000 If you were to use that as a sometimes drug and be careful with it, I could see that being a huge, huge performance boost.

01:46:13.000 What kind of a bump were you getting?

01:46:14.000 I didn't quantify it, but it was a Tough Mudder in Vegas.

01:46:19.000 And all I know is I felt way, way more doubt.

01:46:24.000 I had the cognitive high that you get from ketones, which was the original reason that I started doing this ketosis thing seven years ago when I was getting ready to race Ironman Canada.

01:46:35.000 And I wanted to see what it would feel like to have those readily available fuel sources for the liver and the diaphragm and the heart and kind of the focus that comes with high levels of ketones when you're on a bike for five hours.

01:46:45.000 And I had that when I took these exogenous ketones, but then I also had all the energy that you get after you've had like a candy bar, right?

01:46:54.000 So yeah, you're high blood sugar and high blood ketones.

01:46:56.000 So you just feel focused, but you also have high levels of energy.

01:47:00.000 That sounds amazing.

01:47:02.000 That's scary.

01:47:03.000 I hope it's good for you. 1.00

01:47:04.000 Just like the stem cells in the dick. 0.99

01:47:06.000 It's amazing. 0.99

01:47:07.000 I hope it's good.

01:47:08.000 I hope I don't die.

01:47:09.000 That sounds like, though, if you were doing a big event, and if you didn't do it, I like what you're doing in terms of diet-wise.

01:47:17.000 It seems like it makes sense.

01:47:18.000 You've got a really good balance.

01:47:20.000 But for a big event, that sounds like it would be a really good thing to do.

01:47:23.000 Load up on carbohydrates.

01:47:24.000 Load up on the ketone esters.

01:47:26.000 Right.

01:47:26.000 Exactly.

01:47:27.000 That sounds wild.

01:47:28.000 Ketone esters are expensive.

01:47:29.000 A lot of these ketone salts.

01:47:31.000 The thing I like about the ketone salts, too, is I haven't seen a lot of research that the ketone esters are necessarily that much better.

01:47:36.000 And the ketone salts, you get electrolytes with them, too.

01:47:38.000 And that's one of the things that you get depleted on them, like a ketogenic diet.

01:47:40.000 Do you know what brand you're using for your ketone supplements?

01:47:44.000 Dude, I told you, I'm like, as a blogger, I get these packages sent to my house every day.

01:47:49.000 It's like, you probably get the same thing.

01:47:50.000 It's like cardboard boxes. 1.00

01:47:51.000 We have boxes of shit back there. 0.99

01:47:52.000 And like the occasional little paper bag of something that somebody made in their kitchen that they sent to you. 0.99

01:47:56.000 I don't touch those stuff.

01:47:57.000 Somebody gave me when I was, this was, where was it?

01:48:02.000 I think it was in Asheville, doing a race in Asheville.

01:48:04.000 Of course, North Carolina.

01:48:05.000 People don't know about Asheville.

01:48:07.000 Freaking great food in Asheville.

01:48:08.000 Asheville is a crazy little spot.

01:48:10.000 One of my clients took me to this place called Karate.

01:48:13.000 It's like a charcuterie, like a fine charcuterie restaurant.

01:48:16.000 Amazing meat.

01:48:18.000 Asheville's amazing.

01:48:19.000 Apparently, President Obama's favorite restaurant was in Asheville, and he'd go there, and you'd go up and down the street.

01:48:26.000 I went there during the yoga festival, and there's people sitting up in trees playing banjos.

01:48:30.000 It's crazy.

01:48:31.000 It's amazing.

01:48:32.000 I definitely want to go back there.

01:48:33.000 Yeah, the International Yoga Festival in Asheville.

01:48:38.000 Shout out to Asheville.

01:48:39.000 Yeah, shout out to Asheville, baby.

01:48:40.000 Hashtag Asheville.

01:48:41.000 Somebody gave me wine that they infused with cannabis.

01:48:45.000 Of course they did.

01:48:46.000 This big bottle of cannabis-infused wine, but it was in one of those old-school kombucha bottles.

01:48:52.000 And you're just like, I don't know where this has been sitting.

01:48:54.000 I don't know what's in here.

01:48:56.000 Nope.

01:48:57.000 It was a cool idea, but no offense to whoever gave me that, but I didn't actually consume that.

01:49:02.000 But the ketone salts and the ketone esters, honestly, dude, I've tried all of them.

01:49:11.000 Kegenics and Keto...

01:49:13.000 I forget all of them.

01:49:14.000 They're all Keto something.

01:49:15.000 My friend Duncan went to school in Asheville, and he said that they started giving the cows a certain diet. 1.00

01:49:21.000 To kill the psilocybin mushrooms that grow in their shit because too many kids were climbing fences and plucking mushrooms out of the cow shit. 0.99

01:49:30.000 You ever do that? 1.00

01:49:31.000 You ever do like the psilocybin microdosing thing that people are doing for cognition?

01:49:36.000 I have psilocybin microdosed, and it gives you a nice feeling.

01:49:40.000 I like it.

01:49:41.000 I have a friend who is a world champion kickboxer who microdoses every day, and he says it makes him almost telepathic.

01:49:48.000 He says it makes his response time to sparring.

01:49:51.000 He said he sees things before they happen.

01:49:53.000 Your sensory perception improves, especially in nature settings.

01:49:57.000 Right, like there's this, there's like the synthetic chemical LSD, or PLSD is like the one a lot of people are using now because you get it for a lot less expensive, and it has the same effect as LSD. It's just, it's a lot cheaper.

01:50:11.000 You get both on like these websites where you use cryptocurrency to purchase the compound, but...

01:50:15.000 It's the FBI sending it to you.

01:50:17.000 Exactly.

01:50:23.000 It's very synthetic, and there's a merging of the left and right hemispheres of the brain, and you get very creative and focused simultaneously.

01:50:29.000 What doses are you...

01:50:31.000 For LSD, you want to volumetrically dose, which means if you get a blotter of LSD, it's like 100 micrograms on a square, and a lot of people cut that into 10 pieces.

01:50:42.000 So that one piece would be 10 micrograms, but you don't know if that piece has 20 or 5 on it.

01:50:48.000 So you take a 100 microgram tab, and you put that in a glass dropper bottle.

01:50:57.000 And then you would add like 10 milliliters of Everclear or vodka or some kind of alcohol to it.

01:51:03.000 And then you know that for every one milliliter of alcohol in that little dropper bottle that you consume, you're getting exactly 10 micrograms of LSD and about 10 to 20 micrograms, like one to two dropper bottles full, that would be considered a microdose for most people.

01:51:21.000 But you don't, like, returning to psilocybin, psilocybin produces, like, this sensory perception, very natural feeling improvement in your cognition, in your senses.

01:51:35.000 It just feels more natural, right?

01:51:37.000 It's like you would take it before you go on a hike, or you would take it when you're in, like, a very natural, like a nature setting.

01:51:44.000 Like, you know, for something like...

01:51:47.000 Day at the office.

01:51:48.000 It seems like LSD is a more natural choice.

01:51:50.000 But psilocybin is really interesting for nature-based setting, hiking.

01:51:53.000 The thing about it is you feel like you're getting readings from trees and plants.

01:51:59.000 You get a weird feeling from them that you don't normally get.

01:52:02.000 Like, oh, now I'm tuned into whatever frequency you guys are operating on.

01:52:05.000 And they feel alive.

01:52:07.000 Whereas trees just feel like trees normally.

01:52:10.000 I walk by, they look beautiful, but I don't feel them.

01:52:13.000 Right.

01:52:13.000 In the same sense.

01:52:14.000 Right.

01:52:14.000 Exactly.

01:52:15.000 And I mean, you don't want to make yourself dependent on finding a tree beautiful by whether or not you have psilocybin in your bloodstream.

01:52:20.000 It's not even a beautiful thing.

01:52:22.000 It's like it's communicating with you.

01:52:23.000 Do you know what I'm saying?

01:52:24.000 It's like you feel like they're giving you information.

01:52:27.000 You save it for those settings when you want nature to be really special.

01:52:30.000 Yeah.

01:52:30.000 Because my wife gives me a hard time sometimes.

01:52:32.000 She's like, you know, why do you got to take psilocybin before you got to go on a hike?

01:52:35.000 Like, why don't you just go on a hike?

01:52:37.000 Sometimes it's more interesting.

01:52:39.000 Sometimes you see things you wouldn't normally otherwise see.

01:52:42.000 I go to bed and I've got my binaural beats and my sleep mask and I've got that little grounding earthing device under my body and my chili pad and blue light blocking glasses and I get in bed with all these wires sticking up out of my head and my wife just gets in bed and just like...

01:53:01.000 Sleeps.

01:53:02.000 She's got nothing on her side. 0.94

01:53:03.000 So we're very yin and yang.

01:53:04.000 Yeah, but you're so involved.

01:53:05.000 Like everything you're doing, you're very involved.

01:53:07.000 Does it ever feel overwhelming that you have all this stuff?

01:53:10.000 I mean, obviously it's what you do.

01:53:11.000 No, because you systematize it, right?

01:53:13.000 Like when I walk into my office, it's not like I'm spending 20 minutes like...

01:53:17.000 Turning on the Juve light and putting on the essential oil diffuser and, you know, I've got like this device that creates like special water that you breathe.

01:53:28.000 Well, you know, humidifies the water that you breathe while you're working.

01:53:32.000 And I've got like, you know, blue light generating devices on the ceiling and all this stuff in my office.

01:53:37.000 But when I walk in, there's just like click, click, click, and I go to work.

01:53:40.000 Right?

01:53:40.000 With the thing on my head or whatever.

01:53:42.000 So once you systematize it, it's not exhausting.

01:53:44.000 It's not like you're doing a lot to actually improve your body or, you know, let's say biohack your body while you're at work.

01:53:52.000 A lot of stuff just becomes systematized, right?

01:53:54.000 It's like putting on your pants in the morning.

01:53:55.000 That biohack word is about done.

01:53:58.000 I'm about done with that word.

01:53:59.000 The biohack word.

01:54:00.000 It's so beaten up, that word.

01:54:02.000 Now, what I would consider to be biohacking is these dudes that inject chlorella into their eyes so that they could get night vision.

01:54:09.000 What?

01:54:10.000 You should pull that out.

01:54:11.000 Or like Kevin Warwick.

01:54:13.000 He was the original cyborg guy who got a chip implanted underneath his Yeah.

01:54:40.000 Yeah.

01:54:40.000 So I think it's overused.

01:54:42.000 It's very trendy.

01:54:42.000 I think there are true biohackers out there who have actually hacked their biology.

01:54:48.000 Well, injecting chlorella into your eyes seems super risky.

01:54:53.000 Actually, you know what?

01:54:54.000 I think it's chlorophyll, which is the green active component that you would find in something like chlorella.

01:55:00.000 But his eyes are all black.

01:55:01.000 It's really weird.

01:55:02.000 You should pull it up, Jamie.

01:55:03.000 They're stuck black forever? 0.99

01:55:06.000 I'm assuming. 1.00

01:55:07.000 Oh, fucking Christ. 1.00

01:55:08.000 I mean, I don't think he could suck the chlorophyll back out, but he has night vision now. 1.00

01:55:11.000 What?

01:55:12.000 Or the guy who is Goatman.

01:55:13.000 Did you hear about Goatman?

01:55:15.000 No, hold on.

01:55:15.000 Let's one step at a time.

01:55:16.000 You're almost manic.

01:55:17.000 You're just like, I got another one.

01:55:19.000 I got another one.

01:55:19.000 Hold on.

01:55:20.000 So this guy has permanent black in his eyes, and he can see sort of like a deer, like nocturnal.

01:55:27.000 That guy.

01:55:28.000 Yeah, that's him. 1.00

01:55:29.000 Jesus motherfucker. 0.99

01:55:31.000 Making science more available to the public, have been testing a concoction of chemicals that allows humans to see in the dark, and it works. 0.99

01:55:38.000 That's a true biohack.

01:55:39.000 Like, that's a correct use of the term biohacking, in my opinion.

01:55:43.000 This guy's out of his mind.

01:55:44.000 There's some other people, and you can get like a, what's this on, Nerdist?

01:55:48.000 Yeah, Nerdist.com.

01:55:49.000 There he goes.

01:55:50.000 Straight into the eye.

01:55:51.000 I'm not gonna do that. 1.00

01:55:52.000 I will stop at the stem cells into my dick. 0.99

01:55:55.000 I'm not gonna do the things. 0.99

01:55:56.000 The speculum holding my eyes open was by far the worst part.

01:56:00.000 Even the effects themselves were very subtle.

01:56:03.000 It wasn't like, oh my god, I have predator vision.

01:56:05.000 Nothing like that.

01:56:05.000 You don't get superpowers.

01:56:07.000 This is a tweak, not an overhaul.

01:56:08.000 It's kind of disappointing that you go through all that for just a tweak. 1.00

01:56:11.000 Yeah, well, your whole fucking eyes are black. 1.00

01:56:13.000 If I'm going to do that shit, I want predator vision. 1.00

01:56:16.000 I want the full meal deal. 1.00

01:56:18.000 I want to be able to hunt animals in the darkness.

01:56:20.000 This guy's got hamster eyes.

01:56:21.000 The chemical works by binding to opsin proteins in your retina where it's excited by light.

01:56:26.000 Transformational process to occur in the protein segment.

01:56:28.000 See?

01:56:29.000 There you go.

01:56:30.000 Huh.

01:56:30.000 Yeah.

01:56:31.000 So you could get the blue light blocking glasses or you could just inject everything into your eyes.

01:56:36.000 Allowed him to pick up figures in the dark with 100% accuracy where non-treated test subjects could only make out to about 30%.

01:56:42.000 That's pretty significant.

01:56:43.000 Well, that would be really good for bow hunters.

01:56:44.000 And I like how the author doesn't know which percentage sign to use, the actual percentage sign or the word percent.

01:56:50.000 Right.

01:56:50.000 He mixes it up.

01:56:51.000 They've got to work on their editing.

01:56:53.000 That's interesting.

01:56:54.000 Yeah, you're a writer.

01:56:54.000 Yeah, I know.

01:56:55.000 We're talking 50 meters.

01:56:57.000 Go back to that, Jamie.

01:56:58.000 We're talking 50 meters over 160 feet apart.

01:57:01.000 Oh, wow.

01:57:02.000 That's actually really significant.

01:57:03.000 The following morning, his eyes returned to normal.

01:57:07.000 Oh.

01:57:08.000 All right, where does it say that?

01:57:09.000 Right there.

01:57:09.000 The eyes return to normal.

01:57:11.000 No apparent side effects.

01:57:12.000 Oh, wow.

01:57:13.000 So he's not like that forever.

01:57:14.000 No, so they're not injecting.

01:57:15.000 They're dropping.

01:57:16.000 They're using drops.

01:57:17.000 So this would be, like we were talking about bow hunting, about elk hunting, like when you're in sort of low light.

01:57:23.000 That might be the move.

01:57:24.000 You could pack your speculum into your bow case.

01:57:28.000 Drop them in there.

01:57:28.000 Just drop them in there.

01:57:29.000 Make sure that you have a hunting buddy who is well-versed in the addition of Chlorophyll.

01:57:35.000 Rubber gloves.

01:57:35.000 Into a speculum.

01:57:36.000 Yeah, bring the rubber gloves.

01:57:37.000 You've got all that stuff to fill dress anyways and just go to town on your eyes.

01:57:41.000 How did you get into bow hunting?

01:57:44.000 My buddy, Kenton Claremont, up in Washington State, he was running these train-to-hunt competitions, which are really bad.

01:57:52.000 It's like obstacle course racing with a weapon.

01:57:55.000 And you could do it out here, because you could carry sandbags and do cones and suicide sprints and all sorts of stuff with this techno-hunt setup that you have.

01:58:02.000 But the train-to-hunt...

01:58:05.000 The first competition that I did, you show up and it starts off with like a four or five hour traditional 3D shoot.

01:58:11.000 And for people who don't know what a 3D shoot is, it's a bunch of targets, you know, like Reinhardt targets or whatever that are set up in different locations.

01:58:16.000 They look like animals.

01:58:17.000 They look like animals.

01:58:20.000 They're going to be a fox or an elk or, you know, whatever, you know, a bedded animal or a standing animal.

01:58:27.000 And they're spread throughout this course that you're walking.

01:58:31.000 You can think of it almost like golfing, you know, for people who don't bow hunt.

01:58:35.000 And you'll, you know, one shot might just be like a simple 25-yard shot at a fox where if you get vitals, you'll get five points.

01:58:43.000 And if you hit a body shot, then it might be three points.

01:58:46.000 And if you miss, it's zero.

01:58:49.000 And if you get like a wound, it's actually a negative score, right?

01:58:53.000 Which it should be.

01:58:54.000 Like, it's like a...

01:58:54.000 Because if you wound an animal, that's really much, much worse than missing an animal.

01:58:59.000 So some of the shots are pretty complex.

01:59:02.000 It might be you got to get off two shots in 10 seconds, which is actually kind of hard to do.

01:59:06.000 You know, two shots in 10 seconds and one animal's at 20 and one animal's at 40. Right, which is why I use like a three pin side on my bow because you don't even have time to adjust the dial after you've taken one shot to the yardage for the second shot.

01:59:19.000 You might have a shot that's like run up this hill.

01:59:22.000 There is a target up there.

01:59:24.000 We won't tell you the distance, but you have 30 seconds to make it the 25 yards up that goalie and then you're going to have a shot at the top and you got to run up the goalie site and get your shot off in those 30 seconds.

01:59:38.000 So it's not like a traditional 3D shoot.

01:59:40.000 It's very active.

01:59:41.000 And some shots are you draw lunging, and then you stand, and then you've got to walk around the tree, and then take your shot.

01:59:48.000 So it's actually pretty fun.

01:59:49.000 It's way different than just standing out of the range shooting at targets.

01:59:55.000 Yeah.

02:00:11.000 Which is a hundred pounds in your pack, and it's a two to four mile course that you gotta boogie across as fast as possible.

02:00:17.000 Yeah, people were running, right?

02:00:18.000 And the problem with it was people, like, when you pack out, like, you're taking your time.

02:00:23.000 You're not running.

02:00:24.000 You're not, like, racing your buddy.

02:00:26.000 But this, and it was, like, the most painful thing I've really ever done in terms of, like, how high my heart rate got and the amount of lactic acid.

02:00:32.000 Like, just try to go two miles as fast as you can with a hundred pounds in your pack.

02:00:35.000 Sounds very dangerous.

02:00:36.000 Not only do you got to spend, like, I would spend copious amounts of time just, like, making sure the pack was adjusted properly, and I'll put, like, the bubble wrap in the bottom of the pack so it moves the weight that you're using, which are typically sandbags, up to the center of the pack.

02:00:47.000 And I worked with this company called Kefaru that makes, like, these...

02:00:52.000 Yeah, I use their packs.

02:00:53.000 Yeah, yeah, they make a good pack.

02:00:54.000 Shout out to Aaron Schneider.

02:00:55.000 Yeah, Aaron.

02:00:56.000 Exactly.

02:00:57.000 And, you know, he did some Skype sessions with me where he taught me exactly...

02:01:00.000 Because you don't set it up the way that you would if you were just going to pack out an animal.

02:01:03.000 You have to put it super-duper tight up in the shoulder so it's not bouncing around.

02:01:07.000 And then you put the weight down in the hips.

02:01:08.000 So it works for running two miles really hard, but it's super uncomfortable.

02:01:13.000 It's not biomechanically favorable.

02:01:15.000 Right. 0.96

02:01:15.000 It sucks, but... 0.96

02:01:16.000 But it's good for running. 0.98

02:01:17.000 Yeah, so...

02:01:18.000 They call that the meat pack.

02:01:20.000 Do you have to do it that way or is it just a matter of how much weight you have on your back?

02:01:24.000 Could you use one of those Atlas packs?

02:01:27.000 Have you seen those Atlas things from Outdoorsman's?

02:01:29.000 No.

02:01:30.000 Essentially, it's a pack frame with a traditional Olympic bolt on the end of it where you put the plates on it.

02:01:36.000 What are those things called?

02:01:37.000 The end of a weight bar or the weight slide on them.

02:01:40.000 What would you call that?

02:01:42.000 The end of a weight bar?

02:01:43.000 Yeah, like the end of a barbell?

02:01:45.000 Yeah, the end of a bar.

02:01:46.000 I don't know.

02:01:46.000 It's called the end of a barbell.

02:01:47.000 Yeah, the end of a bar.

02:01:48.000 Well, they have one of those, a post.

02:01:50.000 I guess you'd call it a post.

02:01:51.000 Yeah.

02:01:51.000 They have one of those that's hanging out of the back.

02:01:53.000 See if you can find it.

02:01:54.000 It's called the Atlas Trainer, Jamie.

02:01:56.000 Outdoorsmans.com.

02:01:58.000 And it's a pack?

02:01:59.000 Yeah.

02:02:00.000 It's a pack frame.

02:02:01.000 I hike with it on.

02:02:03.000 Wow.

02:02:03.000 This is it.

02:02:04.000 Show me a picture.

02:02:05.000 It's pretty dope.

02:02:05.000 Whoa.

02:02:06.000 Yeah.

02:02:07.000 Okay, yeah.

02:02:08.000 Outdoorsmans.com.

02:02:09.000 They're not a sponsor, but they're good people.

02:02:12.000 You could use whatever you want.

02:02:13.000 As long as you have weight in it, you just have to figure out how to...

02:02:15.000 Because everybody has to use a standard weight, so you have to use the sandbag that they issue to you.

02:02:19.000 Oh, you have to use sandbags.

02:02:20.000 You have to use the same object, so everybody's using a sandbag, just so you don't come in with your own...

02:02:25.000 Right.

02:02:26.000 But I was just saying, if you did that, you'd have a 45-pound plate.

02:02:30.000 Your rubber plate that you bought that you painted a 45-pound logo on.

02:02:33.000 Anyways, so you do the meat pack, and you get a certain amount of time for that, and then you do the obstacle course, which is the real hoot, and which they still do, which is because they got rid of the meat pack.

02:02:42.000 They got rid of the meat pack.

02:02:44.000 Well, it doesn't make sense, right?

02:02:46.000 They designed this whole competition to simulate hunting, to prepare a hunter to hunt, and to train a hunter to hunt properly, and it just flew in the face of everything that is hunting, which is, you know, jacked-up nervous system, you know, rushing through the woods with a giant pack,

02:03:02.000 and you just, you don't.

02:03:03.000 Pack out an animal like that.

02:03:05.000 Right.

02:03:06.000 And they'd have to figure out a way to put a speed limiter on.

02:03:08.000 Like, oh hey, you're not allowed to run. 1.00

02:03:09.000 Oh, that's stupid. 1.00

02:03:10.000 So how many guys got their legs blown out? 1.00

02:03:12.000 It makes sense.

02:03:13.000 I don't know.

02:03:13.000 But people were getting hurt and it just didn't make sense.

02:03:15.000 I'm jacked at my back.

02:03:18.000 It's cool. 0.52

02:03:18.000 I get it. 0.52

02:03:19.000 I kind of wish they still had it because I was good at that part.

02:03:21.000 Because I'm an endurance athlete and I'm kind of strong.

02:03:24.000 So for me it worked out pretty well.

02:03:26.000 And then they have the obstacle course, which is like crawling under barbed wire, stand, shoot.

02:03:31.000 And then you're doing like, you know, like sandbag over the shoulder, 20 reps, shoot, 30 burpees.

02:03:37.000 And for the obstacle course, you have a 50 pound pack or a 40 pound pack on your back.

02:03:41.000 They kind of adjust the pack weight based off which division that you're in.

02:03:44.000 But so you're using a smaller pack.

02:03:46.000 So I use the Kefaru pack. 0.88

02:03:47.000 Again, they just had like a smaller pack.

02:03:49.000 Same thing, you got a sandbag, but it's a lighter sandbag.

02:03:51.000 So you're carrying that through the whole course, but you're stopping and shooting along the way.

02:03:55.000 So it's like you're learning how to, just imagine if you're like rushing up a hill and you got to the top of the hill and you got to calm your heart rate, calm your nervous system very quickly and get your shot off.

02:04:07.000 And granted, you're not necessarily going to be hauling a sandbag up That hill and doing a bunch of burpees, but it's kind of simulating that idea of shooting with your heart rate elevated.

02:04:16.000 And it's a hard course.

02:04:18.000 I mean, like, there are, like, legitimate, you know, hardcore crossfitters and athletes that do this, but it's a combination of being able to shoot well and being able to fitness.

02:04:28.000 Well, that's the interesting thing about bowhunting is that bowhunting really does require fitness.

02:04:33.000 Well, when I did that...

02:04:34.000 Especially high country elk.

02:04:35.000 Yeah, I was wearing this ring we were talking about when I did that hunt in Hawaii.

02:04:40.000 And I did like 46 miles over the course of five days, just like crawling and walking and hiking and sprinting.

02:04:47.000 I mean, that's why I like bow hunting.

02:04:49.000 It's a challenge.

02:04:51.000 And the Train to Hunt guy, Kenton, he told me about these competitions and I was watching them and I'm like, I really want to try this.

02:04:59.000 Because at that point I'd firearm hunted for two years.

02:05:01.000 I didn't grow up hunting.

02:05:02.000 I grew up, you know, homeschooled, playing chess and playing the violin, reading books, and playing World of Warcraft.

02:05:10.000 Like, I was not, like, a hunter kid growing up.

02:05:13.000 And neither were my parents, right?

02:05:14.000 Like, we'd occasionally go fishing for trout.

02:05:16.000 That was about it, in the stocked pond.

02:05:18.000 So hunting was new for me.

02:05:20.000 I'd been hunting for two years.

02:05:22.000 It's totally self-taught.

02:05:23.000 Like I failed to dress my first animal with the little YouTube video on the iPhone where I'm following along and I've got my knife and I'm watching the video because that's the way I'm being homeschooled.

02:05:33.000 I like to teach myself things.

02:05:35.000 I just grew up as a very independent learner.

02:05:36.000 So all of my hunting was self-taught.

02:05:38.000 That's a great benefit.

02:05:39.000 Yeah.

02:05:40.000 There are drawbacks to being very resistant to learning from others or having mentors, I think, that you also don't play well with others, right?

02:05:48.000 Like, I grew up, when I got to college, I was very poor at, like, the team activities.

02:05:52.000 You weren't socialized.

02:05:53.000 I was very good at creating, at leading, at thinking outside the box, at, you know, kind of being a lot more independent, right?

02:06:02.000 Well, that's fascinating because that's what homeschooling did for me.

02:06:05.000 That's what you do.

02:06:06.000 It is what I wound up doing.

02:06:08.000 And also, I read a copious amount.

02:06:10.000 I wrote a copious amount.

02:06:11.000 And that's still what I do because that's what I kind of grew up doing, homeschooled.

02:06:17.000 And it was really tennis that got me into fitness.

02:06:20.000 Like, I played tennis in college, and I got big into tennis in high school.

02:06:23.000 And in Idaho, where I was at the time, there's a rule that homeschooled kids could play sports at the local public school.

02:06:29.000 So I played tennis, and that really got me into sports.

02:06:31.000 And then I studied exercise physiology and biomechanics in college.

02:06:35.000 And here I am.

02:06:36.000 What was that like, going from being homeschooled to hanging out with public school kids?

02:06:43.000 Really awkward.

02:06:45.000 Because you're not in class with them.

02:06:47.000 You're not at the prom.

02:06:49.000 You're not doing any of the social things that they're doing.

02:06:51.000 But then you might show up at tennis practice or whatever.

02:06:53.000 And same thing when you get to college.

02:06:54.000 You're just not used to it.

02:06:56.000 Dude, I went off the deep end of college because I graduated when I was 15, and I didn't do a gap year or anything.

02:07:01.000 I just started college when I was 16, and I did not have good self-control around sex and alcohol and drugs and all these things that all of a sudden I was immersed in in college.

02:07:13.000 And no one was there to tell you no.

02:07:15.000 Yeah, the way I raise my kids is they, for example, there are really no rules in our house, right?

02:07:22.000 Like, they can try rum and scotch and whiskey and they can take a hit off the vape pen.

02:07:26.000 How old are they?

02:07:27.000 They're nine.

02:07:28.000 But they also have been educated about what that might do to their liver or to the gray matter in their brain.

02:07:35.000 Or we don't say no gluten.

02:07:36.000 I tell them, you know, gluten is going to affect your test scores, creates neural inflammation, can create some gastric inflammation.

02:07:42.000 You get to choose when you go to the birthday party whether you're going to have the gluten.

02:07:45.000 And sometimes it comes back to bite me because we'll go out to a restaurant and they'll bring the bread out to the restaurant and my boys will be like, no, no, we don't want the bread.

02:07:52.000 And I'm like, but I kind of wanted a little piece of bread here.

02:07:57.000 So I think that's a better way to raise a child.

02:08:00.000 You educate them about the consequences of their decision and then you let them make the decision themselves.

02:08:06.000 You equip them rather than creating a bunch of forbidden fruit, which is the way that I was kind of raised.

02:08:10.000 Right.

02:08:11.000 So, yeah, it was a little tricky, the whole college thing.

02:08:15.000 But back to bow hunting, it was this train hunting.

02:08:19.000 And Kenton came over to my house, and I asked him about, kind of like the spearfishing, like, what's the bow?

02:08:23.000 What release do I get?

02:08:25.000 What arrows do I get?

02:08:26.000 How do I do this?

02:08:27.000 I went to my local bow shop.

02:08:29.000 I took some lessons in shooting.

02:08:31.000 And then my first hunt...

02:08:34.000 What was my first hunt?

02:08:37.000 Aside from my property, because I'm on 10 acres, maybe a copious amount of whitetail, so I shot my first animal out there.

02:08:42.000 My first major hunt was high country, Colorado.

02:08:44.000 We did like a horseback hunt with a guide there, you know, and that got me hooked.

02:08:49.000 This was elk.

02:08:52.000 I came back after seven days with nothing.

02:08:54.000 That was my very first hunt.

02:08:56.000 And then my first actual kill was I hunted Axis deer down in Texas. 0.51

02:09:00.000 Amazing, amazing.

02:09:01.000 Texas is crazy.

02:09:02.000 I was telling you, they have like freaking zebras you can hunt down there. 0.97

02:09:05.000 Believe me, I know.

02:09:06.000 They have everything.

02:09:07.000 Yeah, I've hunted there.

02:09:08.000 They came back.

02:09:09.000 Neal guy and African animals.

02:09:11.000 My wife bought us a sausage maker, and me and my boys made Axe's deer sausage and the backstrap, and it was amazing.

02:09:18.000 And now they're little chefs, dude.

02:09:21.000 That's cool.

02:09:22.000 They made like bone broth, like made baked donuts out of breadfruit flour, and they used bone broth and colostrum, and they made like a cream cheese ginger frosting and a dark chocolate cacao frosting, and it actually tastes like real donuts.

02:09:35.000 What was this from?

02:09:36.000 A recipe?

02:09:37.000 Yeah, from a recipe.

02:09:37.000 And they had, like, donut molds.

02:09:38.000 How'd they find this recipe?

02:09:39.000 And you bake them.

02:09:40.000 Bone broth colostrum donut recipe.

02:09:43.000 We made it up.

02:09:44.000 Oh, you made it up?

02:09:44.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:09:45.000 And they use breadfruit flour.

02:09:46.000 Or they do pad thai, but they use those shirataki noodles I was talking about.

02:09:51.000 And they use organic roasted crickets, like, instead of shrimp for chicken.

02:09:55.000 And the crickets actually taste really good.

02:09:57.000 They're, like, nutty and salty.

02:09:58.000 What are they getting crickets? 0.85

02:09:58.000 Are they buying these crickets or are they raisin' them? 0.85

02:10:01.000 Yeah, they're not raising the crickets.

02:10:04.000 I think it's called Akeda is the company that they get the crickets.

02:10:07.000 And they're really good.

02:10:07.000 They send you these little baked crickets.

02:10:10.000 This is a place I go to in Mexico.

02:10:13.000 Yeah, crickets are actually really tasty.

02:10:16.000 Yeah, this is a place I go to in Mexico and they give them to you.

02:10:19.000 It's a little appetizer they leave in your room when you go to this resort.

02:10:22.000 Really?

02:10:22.000 Yeah, it's like a fried cricket.

02:10:25.000 It's an appetizer.

02:10:26.000 It's like the resorts you go to with the apples and the mango covered in the cellophane on the back, but instead it's crickets.

02:10:32.000 Well, they have that, too.

02:10:32.000 They have crickets, too.

02:10:34.000 Wow.

02:10:34.000 And it's very tasty.

02:10:36.000 They're dark, and they're somehow or another cooked.

02:10:39.000 I don't know what they're seasoned with.

02:10:40.000 Sustainable, mineral-rich source of protein.

02:10:43.000 Yeah.

02:10:43.000 I love it.

02:10:44.000 See, the thing about most people that don't want animals to die, they don't usually give a shit about bugs. 0.99

02:10:50.000 Mm-hmm. 0.99

02:10:51.000 Yeah.

02:10:51.000 Not a lot of people find like a June bug super cute and cry when it gets killed.

02:10:56.000 Or a mosquito.

02:10:57.000 Vegans will slap mosquitoes when they're on their arms. 0.99

02:10:59.000 Yeah.

02:10:59.000 I read a study this morning of gene editing mosquitoes now.

02:11:02.000 Yeah.

02:11:02.000 Like they're using CRISPR technology to make the mosquitoes less likely to bite you.

02:11:05.000 I saw that.

02:11:06.000 Isn't that crazy?

02:11:06.000 Yeah.

02:11:07.000 It's very bizarre.

02:11:08.000 Yeah.

02:11:08.000 And there's a cool little anecdote from that study too where they found that mosquitoes actually have like they learn.

02:11:15.000 If you swat up the mosquito, it actually learns to avoid you.

02:11:20.000 Normally, I just put some on my skin, like cinnamon essential oil or something that drives a mosquito away.

02:11:26.000 Does that work?

02:11:26.000 Yeah, it does.

02:11:27.000 You want to dilute it because it's a burning oil, but cinnamon works amazingly.

02:11:33.000 But have you ever tried it in Alaska where they have really aggressive mosquitoes?

02:11:37.000 I've tried it in Hawaii where there's a lot of mosquitoes.

02:11:40.000 It's a different animal.

02:11:42.000 You've been to Alaska?

02:11:43.000 No, it's on my bucket list. 1.00

02:11:45.000 Get out of the fucking car and they swarm you like a pack of zombies. 1.00

02:11:49.000 Alaska doesn't seem like a place I would envision having these special snow mosquitoes. 1.00

02:11:52.000 No, they just don't live very long, so they're incredibly aggressive.

02:11:56.000 I mean, I'm telling you, it's the weirdest thing I've ever seen.

02:11:58.000 We went salmon fishing there, me and my friend Ari, and we opened up the car door to get out, and in the time it took to open the car door...

02:12:05.000 A swarm of mosquitoes was inside the car, and I'm not exaggerating, several hundred mosquitoes.

02:12:10.000 Oh my goodness.

02:12:11.000 Show that video that you pulled up once, we were talking about this, with the clouds of mosquitoes in Alaska. 0.99

02:12:16.000 Fucking crazy. 0.89

02:12:17.000 That sounds like when I grew up in Lewiston, Idaho, and we would get these grasshopper infestations. 0.99

02:12:24.000 Locusts.

02:12:24.000 Yeah, locusts.

02:12:25.000 And apparently they plant their eggs in the ground, and then in the spring or the summer they hatch.

02:12:30.000 Look at that.

02:12:31.000 That's mosquitoes in Alaska. 0.98

02:12:32.000 Yeah.

02:12:33.000 Wow. 1.00

02:12:34.000 Dude, I'm telling you, it's the craziest fucking... 1.00

02:12:36.000 Is that just like a bird getting eaten by mosquitoes? 1.00

02:12:38.000 Look at it.

02:12:40.000 Poor little birdie getting jacked. 1.00

02:12:41.000 Oh my goodness.

02:12:42.000 Dude, I'm telling you, I've never seen anything like it. 0.99

02:12:45.000 And we were covered with DDT and all that shit, but... 0.98

02:12:48.000 Yeah, the... 0.99

02:12:48.000 You feel terrible. 0.99

02:12:49.000 The DEET. Do you know about thermocels?

02:12:52.000 Cancer sticks.

02:12:53.000 I do now.

02:12:54.000 I think I've been using them because my kids camp outside sometimes, you know, in the forest, and I set one of those little thermocel things in front of their...

02:13:03.000 They're amazing.

02:13:04.000 These caribou are getting jacked by mosquitoes.

02:13:06.000 Wow.

02:13:07.000 Yeah.

02:13:07.000 Is that why the fur is like that?

02:13:09.000 I have no idea.

02:13:09.000 On that caribou?

02:13:11.000 Yeah, the grasshoppers at our house in Lewiston, we would actually go sell them to pet stores.

02:13:16.000 That's how we'd make money in the summers because there'd be so many of them.

02:13:18.000 Me and my brothers would walk around with cages, catch these grasshoppers and bring them to pet stores.

02:13:22.000 We'll use them for tarantulas and stuff like that. 0.95

02:13:24.000 And then this army guy who was in the military came up to our house and he showed us how they eat grasshoppers.

02:13:28.000 So we started eating grasshoppers and we would like...

02:13:30.000 Everything, like we'd microwave grasshoppers, just figure out every way to kill a grasshopper.

02:13:36.000 And the way that we got rid of them was we introduced praying mantis and chicken to our property. 1.00

02:13:40.000 Oh, chickens are motherfuckers, dude. 1.00

02:13:42.000 Yeah, so we introduced a bunch of chickens, and then we have chickens at our property up in Spokane now, too. 0.99

02:13:47.000 I have chickens right here. 1.00

02:13:48.000 Yeah, Icelandic chickens. 0.99

02:13:50.000 They're very, very hardy in the winter.

02:13:52.000 Oh, they're different.

02:13:52.000 And then the goats that we have are Nigerian dwarf goats.

02:13:55.000 Nigerian? 0.73

02:13:56.000 Nigerian.

02:13:56.000 Nigerian dwarf goats, they're a very small goat and they produce a lot of milk for their actual size and they're very hardy in the winter.

02:14:04.000 Do you milk them?

02:14:04.000 And they're small and they're cute and we haven't milked them yet because they need to be, they have to be pregnant to produce the milk.

02:14:12.000 And we've had some issues with, like, the babies dying.

02:14:16.000 We're learning our goat game. 0.77

02:14:18.000 However, we did have to tie rubber bands around a bunch of their testicles recently to neuter some of the males. 1.00

02:14:24.000 Why don't you get them in front of that light machine? 0.96

02:14:25.000 Because we're training the males to be pat goats. 1.00

02:14:27.000 Oh, so you have to neuter them, so you're killing their balls with rubber bands. 1.00

02:14:30.000 Right, exactly. 1.00

02:14:31.000 Yikes.

02:14:32.000 I've heard of dudes doing that.

02:14:33.000 Look at those little cute guys.

02:14:35.000 Oh, they're adorable.

02:14:36.000 Yeah, those are little Nigerian dwarf goats.

02:14:38.000 And we have, like, little tires.

02:14:39.000 Look at them go.

02:14:40.000 We have little tires that they play on.

02:14:42.000 They're super cute.

02:14:43.000 My kids love them.

02:14:44.000 Jumping over each other.

02:14:45.000 They named them after candy bars like M&M and Caramel and Milky Way and Toffee.

02:14:50.000 And did you buy them just for pets or did you buy them?

02:14:53.000 We bought them originally for milk.

02:14:55.000 Because goat milk, the protein is smaller.

02:14:58.000 It's very thermodynamically compatible.

02:15:01.000 Apparently the only one that's better is camel milk.

02:15:04.000 There was a company out of California that was sending me camel's milk to my house for a while.

02:15:08.000 And apparently it's super duper healthy for you and the protein is smaller, more absorbable, and it's less hypoallergenic and friendly to your immune system.

02:15:16.000 Well, when my daughter was young, she could not digest actual cow milk.

02:15:22.000 It just really didn't agree with her.

02:15:24.000 But goat milk was fine.

02:15:25.000 It's one of the things we found.

02:15:26.000 And I started drinking goat milk.

02:15:27.000 I just feel like it just tastes better.

02:15:29.000 You know what I like is the colostrum.

02:15:32.000 You ever use colostrum?

02:15:33.000 Oh, Jamie, you're showing me.

02:15:33.000 We're just basically just like playing goat yoga.

02:15:36.000 Yeah, people do yoga with goats.

02:15:38.000 They apparently find it relaxing.

02:15:40.000 I would get so pit.

02:15:41.000 That does not look relaxing.

02:15:43.000 You do a down dog and you got like a cloven hoof on your cervical vertebrae.

02:15:48.000 It's really popular, man.

02:15:50.000 I think I would get a kick out of that.

02:15:52.000 It'd distract you a little bit. 0.58

02:15:55.000 That's white people. 0.62

02:15:57.000 This looks like something people who've never been on a farm would do. 0.94

02:16:00.000 They're like, goats, yoga.

02:16:02.000 Seattle.

02:16:03.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:16:04.000 They walk out of Starbucks with their Frappuccino and they go sit with the goats.

02:16:11.000 You've got a great system out there, though.

02:16:12.000 It sounds awesome.

02:16:13.000 It's a good setup.

02:16:14.000 You've got wild animals out there.

02:16:16.000 It's a good setup.

02:16:17.000 And then I have an obstacle course because I do all this obstacle course racing.

02:16:20.000 And you know what's cool is you can take all these little bow targets and you set them up around the obstacle course.

02:16:25.000 So you climb the rope and you come down and then you shoot your bow and then you move on.

02:16:29.000 Is that how you practice standing still though and working on your form and doing that as well where you're not tired?

02:16:35.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:16:37.000 It's meditative.

02:16:38.000 It's very relaxing and very meditative.

02:16:40.000 Sit down with you and go over this idea.

02:16:42.000 Because you also trigger shoot.

02:16:45.000 You're not using surprise release.

02:16:48.000 I haven't.

02:16:49.000 I took one class at my bow shop on surprise release.

02:16:53.000 And I like it.

02:16:54.000 And I get it.

02:16:55.000 And frankly, I feel like there's a lot less strain in the shoulder when you pull back.

02:16:59.000 Because for a while, I was getting some of the brachialis issues from pulling back.

02:17:04.000 Why would it be different?

02:17:05.000 You know how when you do a lat pulldown and if you grip thumbs off, you use more of the lats?

02:17:10.000 And if you grip thumbs on, you use more of the biceps and the forearm muscles?

02:17:14.000 I felt like it was similar to that.

02:17:15.000 I felt like with the Surprise release, I was using more of my back and less of my forearm and biceps.

02:17:21.000 I don't know if there's something to that.

02:17:23.000 It doesn't make any sense because the draw is exactly the same way.

02:17:25.000 The only difference is the release.

02:17:27.000 Yeah, it felt a lot different.

02:17:29.000 The thing about archery is it's like martial arts in that if you learn the wrong way, it's very difficult to unlearn.

02:17:36.000 When I was teaching martial arts, it was way better to get someone who was open-minded, who had never had any martial arts experience, versus someone who had many, many years in a shitty martial art.

02:17:48.000 Because those people had these deeply ingrained pathways that were... 0.96

02:17:51.000 Whenever the shit would get weird or they would get uncomfortable or they'd get nervous, they would go back to their old technique. 0.98

02:17:57.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:17:58.000 It makes sense.

02:17:59.000 Yeah.

02:17:59.000 With archery, it's very...

02:18:02.000 There's also a series of instructionals that can show you about surprise releases that John Dudley's done and put online.

02:18:11.000 And there's a guy named Joel Turner that has this whole dedicated thing to...

02:18:15.000 Avoiding target panic in high-pressure situations.

02:18:19.000 He's got a website.

02:18:20.000 It used to be called Iron Mind Hunting, but now he calls it Shot IQ. I think it's Shot IQ. Isn't Iron Mind the people that sell the Captains of Crush hand grip strengtheners?

02:18:29.000 I think that's another company, but I love those guys.

02:18:32.000 I have a bunch of those.

02:18:34.000 I have those up 197 pounds.

02:18:36.000 I don't know.

02:18:36.000 I think mine might be like 150 years old, but I have two things.

02:18:39.000 I travel with one of those power lungs that you breathe in and out of to strengthen the expiratory and inspiratory muscles and the diaphragm, and then the captains of crush.

02:18:48.000 And so if I'm on a long road trip and I've got to drive a long time, I go back and forth between the hand grip strengthener and then the lung strengthener.

02:18:55.000 I'll just work out for two hours while you're driving.

02:18:58.000 That's awesome.

02:18:58.000 Yeah, it's amazing.

02:18:59.000 You put on a good book and work the grip and work the lungs.

02:19:02.000 Yeah, I'm a big believer in those grip things.

02:19:04.000 I mean, it just makes your hands so much stronger. 0.99

02:19:06.000 And the captains of Crush, I mean, they don't fuck around. 0.99

02:19:08.000 Those are really hard. 0.99

02:19:09.000 And you combine that with the apnea so you pass out a few times.

02:19:12.000 I mean, it's a super safe way to drive.

02:19:15.000 Your hand's You got a sweat on, you're blue in the face, you can't even grip the steering wheel because your grip's gone.

02:19:22.000 It's a good way to roll.

02:19:23.000 We're short on time here, but I feel like we could probably talk for about six days and you would never run out of things to talk about.

02:19:28.000 That's fun.

02:19:29.000 How often are you around here, man?

02:19:30.000 We gotta do this again.

02:19:31.000 Not that often.

02:19:32.000 Not that often?

02:19:33.000 I avoid LA. Do you?

02:19:35.000 I like it up in Spokane.

02:19:37.000 Oh, yeah.

02:19:37.000 What I do is when I travel, I batch stuff here.

02:19:40.000 I'm just back to bed.

02:19:41.000 I shot four documentaries yesterday and then talked the day before.

02:19:45.000 I batch a lot of meetings and then go home.

02:19:47.000 So I'll go out to Malibu tonight, and then I'm going to go do that Human Garage treatment on the 31st.

02:19:56.000 Talk about that for a second, because I've been following those guys online, the Human Garage, and it seems really fucking interesting and weird.

02:20:04.000 What do they do there?

02:20:05.000 It goes back and forth.

02:20:05.000 I've had some people tell me that it's cultish, right?

02:20:09.000 Because you go in there and you've got to be a member of their tribe. 0.98

02:20:12.000 What do you mean?

02:20:14.000 I've never experienced anything like that, and I'm not quite sure what people mean when they say that.

02:20:19.000 You have a big profile.

02:20:22.000 You're a famous fitness guy.

02:20:24.000 It might be they let you slide on the cult.

02:20:26.000 I don't know.

02:20:26.000 I don't know, but I enjoy it.

02:20:29.000 They fill you full of high-dose curcumin before you go in, so your muscles just melt.

02:20:34.000 And then they have four massage therapists working on you at the same time. 1.00

02:20:37.000 And they taught me this, how if one's rubbing your head in a clockwise direction, but the other guy's mashing on your adductor with their elbow, you don't feel the mashing on the adductor as much because the movement on your head is distracting you from that.

02:20:51.000 And then somebody else is working on your leg.

02:20:53.000 And they have, like, all these essential oils that they fill the air with.

02:20:57.000 They're, like, special oils that cause you to relax and be a little bit more open to the deep tissue work.

02:21:03.000 And everybody there, like, goes through a special...

02:21:06.000 I mean, I liked it so much.

02:21:07.000 I actually...

02:21:07.000 I flew one of their guys up to my house to work on me at my house.

02:21:11.000 They're doing it right here?

02:21:11.000 Oh, that's me.

02:21:12.000 What is that?

02:21:13.000 That's a...

02:21:16.000 Is that there?

02:21:16.000 Yeah, that's there.

02:21:17.000 That's there.

02:21:18.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:21:19.000 That's Gary.

02:21:20.000 The first time I was there, he was working on my back, and he worked on my back by putting on a rubber glove.

02:21:27.000 I actually have had that intra-butt massage.

02:21:31.000 No, they work on your pelvic floor. 0.97

02:21:34.000 It's pelvic floor therapy. 1.00

02:21:35.000 Inside your asshole. 1.00

02:21:36.000 That gets tight just like anything else. 1.00

02:21:38.000 So they go through your asshole to get to there. 1.00

02:21:39.000 They go into your asshole. 1.00

02:21:40.000 That sounds like something that a pervert would tell you. 1.00

02:21:42.000 There's only one way for me to do this. 0.95

02:21:44.000 No, I had a girl down in Kauai do it. 1.00

02:21:46.000 It was Gabby Reese's trainer.

02:21:48.000 She actually does dry needling. 1.00

02:21:50.000 She does smash. 1.00

02:21:51.000 Intra butt therapy.

02:21:52.000 Get that rubber glove on there.

02:21:54.000 Does it hurt?

02:21:55.000 She also had me buy this glass tool so I could do it myself. 0.97

02:21:58.000 So I do this and I go in through my butt and I do massage. 0.78

02:22:01.000 It sounds weird, but it actually works. 0.96

02:22:03.000 With a glass tool?

02:22:04.000 Why don't they make it out of metal? 1.00

02:22:05.000 That shit gets tight. 0.99

02:22:06.000 What if it breaks? 1.00

02:22:06.000 Just because glass is smooth. 1.00

02:22:07.000 I don't know.

02:22:08.000 Hey, polish the metal. 1.00

02:22:10.000 The fuck putting glass in your asshole? 1.00

02:22:12.000 Have you ever seen one of those Faces of Death videos? 1.00

02:22:14.000 My roommates in college used to rent those.

02:22:18.000 It seems like that would be a way someone would die. 0.99

02:22:21.000 There's a video of a guy who stuck a bottle up his ass and then the bottle breaks. 1.00

02:22:26.000 It's one of those... 0.99

02:22:26.000 No, I stop at THC suppositories and actual proven deep tissue devices. 0.99

02:22:31.000 Yeah, glass rods.

02:22:34.000 Anyways, the human garage, they went in through my mouth to work on my back. 0.88

02:22:38.000 They went in through your mouth?

02:22:39.000 They go in through your mouth, like a big old rubber glove, and they're working on the different areas.

02:22:43.000 If you work on your infraspinatus or your teres minor in your shoulder, it can actually get rid of pain on the front of your shoulder.

02:22:50.000 Really?

02:22:51.000 There are certain trigger points, yes.

02:22:52.000 And it's very similar.

02:22:53.000 There are certain trigger points on the head that refer to the back or the psoas.

02:22:58.000 It's really interesting, this whole idea behind fascia and trigger points, and how when you're working on one area, it actually affects another area.

02:23:06.000 Well, I got rolfing done a few times when I had some pretty bad back injuries, and I found that to be pretty interesting.

02:23:13.000 Yeah.

02:23:14.000 Very painful.

02:23:15.000 Yeah.

02:23:15.000 I haven't had any rolfing done.

02:23:19.000 I had it from a giant dude, too.

02:23:20.000 I don't think I've ever had rolfing.

02:23:22.000 I use a lot of those vibrating foam rollers and vibrating deep tissue devices, though.

02:23:26.000 Yeah, I'm a big fan of those.

02:23:28.000 But most of the time, you're not going somewhere to get deep tissue?

02:23:30.000 Yeah.

02:23:31.000 Most of the time, I do my own, and I just started...

02:23:36.000 To begin to have a massage therapist come to my house once a week. 0.98

02:23:39.000 Because I think like there's a certain amount of relaxation that you get when somebody else is working on you and you're laying down on a table and I have like this.

02:23:47.000 You ever used like a bio mat?

02:23:49.000 Yes.

02:23:50.000 A bio mat like produces a bunch of heat.

02:23:52.000 So I lay down on the bio mat and I put on my Michael Tyrell.

02:23:56.000 Beats.

02:23:58.000 And diffuse essential oil and have her work on me for a couple of hours. 1.00

02:24:01.000 Usually I'll have her come over after dinner, like around 7.30, 8 o'clock, and after the family's kind of wrapped up, and she'll just work on me at night and then go to bed.

02:24:09.000 It's amazing.

02:24:10.000 Listen, Ben, you're a fascinating dude.

02:24:12.000 I'm glad we got a chance to talk.

02:24:13.000 Awesome, dude.

02:24:13.000 Really cool.

02:24:14.000 Chance to talk, chance to shoot.

02:24:14.000 Really appreciate it.

02:24:15.000 Yeah, it's a lot of fun.

02:24:16.000 That's a sick techno hunt setup.

02:24:17.000 Yeah, it was a lot of fun, dude.

02:24:19.000 Thank you very much for doing this.

02:24:20.000 I appreciate it.

02:24:20.000 Thanks, dude.

02:24:21.000 And people can find you on your website...

02:24:23.000 Wherever.

02:24:24.000 Just Google.

02:24:25.000 Instagram, Twitter, all that jazz.

02:24:27.000 All those places.

02:24:28.000 And Greenfield, ladies and gentlemen.

02:24:29.000 Later! 0.71

The Joe Rogan Experience - January 29, 2018

Joe Rogan Experience #1069 - Ben Greenfield

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