The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1074 - Cameron Hanes

00:00:00.000 Usually I have it, but it goes away after a month or so.

00:00:02.000 I've had it for like four months, pretty solid.

00:00:07.000 Ooh! 0.96

00:00:07.000 And we're live. 0.96

00:00:08.000 Cam Haynes.

00:00:09.000 How you doing, buddy?

00:00:10.000 I'm good.

00:00:10.000 How are you?

00:00:11.000 I'm good.

00:00:12.000 Welcome to California.

00:00:13.000 I know.

00:00:14.000 And this place is amazing.

00:00:16.000 It's pretty badass, right?

00:00:17.000 Yeah.

00:00:18.000 We did the grand tour and I'm ready to lift.

00:00:21.000 Yeah.

00:00:21.000 We're going to shoot first.

00:00:23.000 I don't want to have poor accuracy.

00:00:25.000 No.

00:00:25.000 That's like your whole motto of run, lift, shoot.

00:00:28.000 Yeah.

00:00:29.000 Shouldn't it be shoot, lift, run or shoot, run, lift?

00:00:33.000 I don't know.

00:00:35.000 You run in the mornings and then you run at night too, right?

00:00:37.000 Yeah.

00:00:38.000 Do you have a problem?

00:00:39.000 Yeah.

00:00:40.000 Yeah, that's a problem.

00:00:41.000 That's too much. 0.98

00:00:42.000 Well, I just fall back on the moderation is for cowards. 0.87

00:00:45.000 So that pretty much covers any psycho overdoing in excess. 0.77

00:00:52.000 It can be like, no, I'm just not a coward.

00:00:54.000 And what about overtraining? 1.00

00:00:55.000 Is that bullshit? 1.00

00:00:56.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:00:57.000 Yeah, it's totally bullshit. 0.98

00:00:58.000 But you were saying before that when you were 20, you're 50 now, but when you were 20, you could never do what you could do now when you were 50. No. 0.99

00:01:04.000 So if you tried to do what you do now at 50 when you were 20, wouldn't it be overtraining?

00:01:10.000 I'm confused.

00:01:13.000 Well, I mean, if you weren't in shape, obviously you're in great shape because you do this all the time.

00:01:18.000 But if you weren't in great shape and you tried to keep this up, like what you're doing right now.

00:01:22.000 Yeah.

00:01:23.000 No, I feel, I don't know.

00:01:25.000 I feel good.

00:01:26.000 Who is here?

00:01:27.000 Jamie, somebody just walked in.

00:01:29.000 Delivery.

00:01:30.000 Oh, okay.

00:01:31.000 So when you were 20, did you do anything?

00:01:36.000 I mean, I've always been active.

00:01:38.000 I always played sports and ran 10k in the summers and things like that.

00:01:43.000 Just worked out a little or something?

00:01:45.000 Yeah, I just wanted to lift a little bit, but not to the level I'm at now.

00:01:50.000 Yeah, but when I look at your Instagram, I get tired.

00:01:52.000 Yeah.

00:01:53.000 I do. 1.00

00:01:54.000 Because you're doing all that shit, especially that shit you're doing with Outlaw Strength. 1.00

00:01:59.000 Yeah, Eric. 1.00

00:02:00.000 Eric.

00:02:00.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:02:01.000 Outlaw Strength on Instagram.

00:02:02.000 You guys are doing ridiculous amounts of reps.

00:02:05.000 Yeah, we do.

00:02:06.000 It's all about the reps.

00:02:08.000 And it's like, I don't know.

00:02:10.000 And like I say, your body gets used to what you ask of it.

00:02:13.000 Yeah.

00:02:13.000 You know, if I would have tried to do that exact same thing when I was young, no way.

00:02:17.000 I mean, I'd probably be so sore I couldn't do anything for a week.

00:02:20.000 Yeah, that's what I was thinking also when I was looking at it.

00:02:22.000 I was like, if you stop doing this, how long will it take before it slides off?

00:02:27.000 One day.

00:02:29.000 Because when I don't work out for one day, I'm skinny, fat, and weak.

00:02:34.000 No, for real.

00:02:35.000 What's the longest you've ever taken off?

00:02:39.000 Oh, probably hunting.

00:02:41.000 Oh, okay.

00:02:42.000 If I'm at home, I would never take any time off.

00:02:45.000 But when I'm hunting, because that's what I'm there for.

00:02:48.000 Right, but when you're hunting, at least you're hiking, and there's a lot of physical activity, and there's a lot going on there.

00:02:53.000 But when I watch your videos, those Instagram videos of you guys, okay, we're going to do 100 reps of this, and we're going to do 100 reps of that.

00:03:00.000 Yeah.

00:03:01.000 Because right now, I told you I'm suffering through this little tendonitis thing that I've been trying to fight off.

00:03:05.000 So I see all those reps, and my elbow starts hurting when I'm looking at the screen.

00:03:09.000 Yeah, you know, people ask me about my joints or about, you know, because they're battling different things like that, and I have no idea.

00:03:17.000 I mean, I just, I don't have, I've been lucky where I don't have injuries.

00:03:22.000 You know, I mean...

00:03:23.000 That's very disappointing.

00:03:25.000 Yeah, I mean, I, you know, my...

00:03:28.000 I'm banged up a little bit, but I've talked to you before where I've had to take Advil every day, and not anymore.

00:03:36.000 Well, tell that story, because that's a crazy story.

00:03:39.000 And I've talked about it on the podcast without you being here, but I called you after Rhonda Patrick did a podcast with me, and she was telling me about the dangers of what they call non-steroidal anti-inflammatories.

00:03:51.000 That's what ibuprofen is.

00:03:52.000 And she was saying it ruins your gut biome, and that it actually causes inflammation.

00:03:58.000 And so the people that are taking Advil every day for inflammation don't even realize that taking all that Advil actually is causing inflammation.

00:04:05.000 Right, yeah.

00:04:06.000 So you quit.

00:04:07.000 I quit.

00:04:08.000 And then I wasn't, and I almost think it was maybe placebo a little bit because it's like, not only did it not help after a while, but it made it worse, essentially, the inflammation.

00:04:19.000 So after hearing that and, you know, who's ever going to question Rhonda Patrick.

00:04:25.000 I would never.

00:04:26.000 So I'm like, well, I better stop that.

00:04:28.000 So since then, I haven't been taking anything.

00:04:32.000 And then I have taken, there's this, you can get it at the health food store.

00:04:37.000 It's called Kratom.

00:04:38.000 Oh, yeah.

00:04:39.000 You ever heard of that?

00:04:39.000 Yeah.

00:04:40.000 That seems to help.

00:04:41.000 You know, they're trying to outlaw that stuff.

00:04:43.000 Yeah.

00:04:44.000 Apparently, that Kratom stuff, I had Chris Bell on the podcast.

00:04:48.000 He's doing a documentary about Kratom.

00:04:51.000 And he did that documentary, Bigger, Stronger, Faster.

00:04:55.000 Yeah, I know who he is.

00:04:56.000 He brought in some guys that sell Kratom, and they're explaining what it does, and I tried it.

00:05:02.000 And when I tried it, apparently if you take it in low doses, it's like almost a mild stimulant, which is what it felt like to me.

00:05:10.000 But if you take it in higher doses, it relaxes you, and it's really good for pain.

00:05:15.000 And Chris has had hip replacements.

00:05:17.000 What did he say about it?

00:05:18.000 Was it positive or negative?

00:05:20.000 Positive.

00:05:20.000 There's no negative.

00:05:21.000 There's no downsides to it.

00:05:23.000 It's not addictive.

00:05:24.000 It's not bad for you.

00:05:25.000 It's an herb.

00:05:26.000 It's not toxic at all.

00:05:28.000 Right.

00:05:28.000 So, of course, the government's trying to make it illegal.

00:05:31.000 Oh, you can't have stuff out there that actually helps. 1.00

00:05:34.000 Yeah, they're trying to label it with fucking heroin and shit. 1.00

00:05:36.000 They're so crazy. 1.00

00:05:37.000 Yeah. 0.92

00:05:38.000 But I think that's helped.

00:05:41.000 But other than that, I don't take anything.

00:05:43.000 I mean, nothing.

00:05:44.000 And I feel great.

00:05:46.000 That's crazy.

00:05:47.000 That's amazing.

00:05:48.000 So when you're doing all these reps, you do these crazy things on the lat pull-down machine where you do the whole stack, right?

00:05:57.000 The goal is 20 of the stack of everything. 0.99

00:06:00.000 That's fucking ridiculous. 0.99

00:06:01.000 So how do you not get joint pain? 1.00

00:06:03.000 I don't know.

00:06:04.000 So just because you do it all the time?

00:06:06.000 I'm not sure.

00:06:07.000 Your body's conditioned to it?

00:06:07.000 I can't.

00:06:08.000 Makes me want to do it.

00:06:09.000 I know, but I don't want people to...

00:06:13.000 It's taken a while to work up there.

00:06:15.000 I don't want people to go and try to do that right out of the gate and then get hurt.

00:06:21.000 I think that's what frustrates people more than anything is when they're excited to make a lifestyle change and then something happens and then they get hurt.

00:06:29.000 Yeah, I was doing chin-ups three or four times a week.

00:06:34.000 I decided I was going to do 50 chin-ups at least three or four times a week.

00:06:40.000 Just make sure I did them all the time.

00:06:42.000 And then on top of that, I was doing heavy cleans, 90-pound cleans with kettlebells, cleans, and presses.

00:06:48.000 I started getting this whole nagging elbow pain.

00:06:50.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:06:51.000 And I didn't want to be a pussy, so I kept working out through it. 0.99

00:06:55.000 And it would be fine. 0.99

00:06:57.000 During the workout, it would be fine.

00:06:59.000 It would start to hurt at the beginning of the workout, but then once the blood would get flowing, then it would be fine. 0.99

00:07:04.000 And then after a couple of weeks of that, my arm was like, hey, fuckhead. 0.99

00:07:09.000 Enough of this. 0.99

00:07:11.000 Cleans are tough, though.

00:07:13.000 Cleans are hard.

00:07:14.000 I know what I can get away with.

00:07:18.000 I don't do deadlifts.

00:07:20.000 I used to do deadlifts.

00:07:21.000 I used to do all this stuff.

00:07:22.000 Now I'm like, even though I want to do I want to maybe every once in a while try a deadlift.

00:07:29.000 Because I know it feels good.

00:07:30.000 I mean, my hamstrings feel good.

00:07:31.000 My back feels strong when everything works right.

00:07:33.000 But I just know that it's just not smart.

00:07:36.000 There's a high possibility that the chick could go south. 1.00

00:07:39.000 No, something gets tweaked in the bottom.

00:07:41.000 And then, you know, it's one side.

00:07:43.000 And then, you know, I feel it down my leg.

00:07:45.000 And I'm like, I don't want to be there.

00:07:48.000 For a while, you were taking that 130-pound rock and throwing it in a backpack.

00:07:51.000 Going up mountains with that.

00:07:53.000 You still doing that?

00:07:54.000 No, it's gone.

00:07:56.000 My rock's gone.

00:07:57.000 What happened to the rock?

00:07:57.000 I don't know.

00:07:58.000 Somebody stole it?

00:07:59.000 I guess.

00:07:59.000 So you would leave it in the same spot?

00:08:01.000 Or roll it off the side of the mountain. 0.90

00:08:02.000 There's some dude who probably jerks off on that rock. 0.96

00:08:04.000 Probably. 0.93

00:08:05.000 This is the campaign's rock.

00:08:08.000 Sounds fun.

00:08:18.000 Yeah, a little bit of poison is enough.

00:08:36.000 All you'd have to do is go to this restaurant one out of ten times. 1.00

00:08:39.000 They fucking poison you. 1.00

00:08:40.000 You'd never go back to that restaurant. 1.00

00:08:41.000 I don't even think it's one out of ten.

00:08:43.000 I think the interactions that I have online that are negative, it's not even one out of a hundred.

00:08:47.000 No, I don't think so.

00:08:48.000 For me, those are the ones that I am drawn to. 0.95

00:08:51.000 And I find myself, I see the negative, and I go past all these positive, and then I'll say something because just if I'm in a bad mood, after a whole day of getting beat down by Stupid comments, so I'll have to do something, and then I'll be like, why did I... So then I go back and I'll try to acknowledge some positive ones, 0.60

00:09:12.000 because I feel guilty.

00:09:14.000 Well, I saw you post a picture of a bear that you shot the other day.

00:09:17.000 It was a video of a bear you shot, and I said, ooh.

00:09:20.000 I looked at those comments, I'm like, here we go.

00:09:22.000 Which one?

00:09:23.000 It was you, you shot a bear, and you were opening its mouth and checking its teeth.

00:09:28.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, for sure.

00:09:30.000 And I saw that video and I was like, whoa, that's a landmine right there.

00:09:34.000 Yeah, I know.

00:09:35.000 Bear.

00:09:35.000 You know bear.

00:09:36.000 It's crazy.

00:09:36.000 It is.

00:09:37.000 That is the one animal that I think people have the most distorted perceptions of because of teddy bears and because of yogi and because I really want to take anybody who has these weird thoughts about bears.

00:09:48.000 I just really want to bring them to John and Jen's place in Alberta.

00:09:52.000 Yeah.

00:09:53.000 And I want to say, why don't you, we're going to come hang around.

00:09:55.000 And if we're lucky, we're going to see a bear tear apart a baby bear.

00:09:59.000 Yeah.

00:09:59.000 Because they do that every day.

00:10:01.000 All the time.

00:10:01.000 They get up out of their dens and they go looking for baby bears.

00:10:04.000 Yeah.

00:10:04.000 And then maybe if we're lucky, we'll see a bear get a hold of a fawn and it'll be crying and it'll eat that thing alive.

00:10:11.000 Yeah.

00:10:12.000 They'll have a different take on it. 1.00

00:10:14.000 They'll be like, kill that! 1.00

00:10:16.000 Just people are nuts. 1.00

00:10:18.000 They're trying to bring wolves into California. 1.00

00:10:19.000 Or Colorado, rather.

00:10:21.000 They're talking about bringing wolves into Colorado.

00:10:23.000 Like, listen, folks, you don't have to do that.

00:10:25.000 You don't.

00:10:26.000 You already have bears. 0.91

00:10:27.000 You know, I saw this the other day.

00:10:29.000 I think I put up...

00:10:30.000 I think it's what inspired me to put up...

00:10:32.000 There was a wolf video I posted.

00:10:34.000 There's some great wildlife videos out there.

00:10:37.000 Oh, it's crazy, right?

00:10:38.000 Great.

00:10:39.000 Not...

00:10:40.000 They can be emotional, like with that bear kill and the calf where I was crying.

00:10:46.000 I don't even like to see that.

00:10:47.000 I mean, I'm a hunter.

00:10:48.000 But there's one where these wolves were chasing down this cow elk.

00:10:53.000 And, you know, that's not a quick process.

00:10:55.000 And I put that up because I had seen a couple celebrities.

00:10:59.000 And I don't even know who the hell they are.

00:11:01.000 Movie stars, I think, or something. 1.00

00:11:02.000 But they're save the wolf fun or some wolf bullshit. 1.00

00:11:07.000 And they're, like, howling. 0.99

00:11:09.000 They're two humans and they were howling like they were wolves.

00:11:14.000 And it's like, I don't know.

00:11:17.000 I mean, wolves are great.

00:11:18.000 Wolves are one of my favorite animals, you know, called the Wild White Fang.

00:11:23.000 Those books, I love those Jack London books when I was young.

00:11:27.000 So wolves have always held a special place in my heart, but they're straight killers.

00:11:31.000 Yeah.

00:11:32.000 They're organized.

00:11:33.000 That's what they do.

00:11:34.000 Intelligent killers.

00:11:34.000 So, I mean, I'm not hating on them for doing that, but you just can't have wolves running around everywhere.

00:11:40.000 Well, yeah, you can.

00:11:41.000 You don't understand.

00:11:43.000 Right.

00:11:43.000 In my neighborhood.

00:11:44.000 Yeah.

00:11:45.000 I was at home the other night.

00:11:47.000 I made a recording of this because I was at home.

00:11:49.000 My dogs were barking like crazy.

00:11:50.000 It was like 9 o'clock at night.

00:11:51.000 Just... 0.99

00:11:53.000 It's like, what the fuck is going on? 0.99

00:11:54.000 And I step outside and these coyotes are like a half a block away from my house. 0.99

00:12:00.000 Just screaming.

00:12:04.000 Those are wolves.

00:12:05.000 Those are little wolves.

00:12:06.000 And they got a hold of something.

00:12:08.000 They're celebrating.

00:12:10.000 Some dude sent me a video that's on his page.

00:12:14.000 It's a compilation of all these videos from security cameras of coyotes killing cats and dogs.

00:12:21.000 Yeah.

00:12:22.000 Those are wolves.

00:12:23.000 That's what they do.

00:12:24.000 Those are the little wolves.

00:12:25.000 That's all they are.

00:12:26.000 They can breed with wolves.

00:12:28.000 They literally are wolves.

00:12:29.000 It's a fascinating thing, the disconnect that people have with predators.

00:12:36.000 Look, if I was in Idaho or Montana and I saw wolves, I'd be pumped.

00:12:41.000 I would think it would be awesome.

00:12:44.000 You gotta keep an eye on those things, folks.

00:12:47.000 There's a reason why they killed them off 150 years ago.

00:12:50.000 It wasn't because they're awesome. 0.97

00:12:51.000 It's because they will kill people. 1.00

00:12:54.000 They will kill your kids. 1.00

00:12:55.000 They will kill your dog. 1.00

00:12:57.000 They will.

00:12:59.000 I've seen wolves in the wild.

00:13:00.000 I saw a pack on Prince of Wales Island one time.

00:13:04.000 They came down to the water once, and I've seen them.

00:13:07.000 I had a wolf tag, actually, when I was in British Columbia hunting buffalo.

00:13:11.000 Yeah, I thought I was going to get a shot at a wolf up there, but I never have.

00:13:15.000 Now, they give tags up there because they're trying to diminish the population.

00:13:19.000 Yeah.

00:13:19.000 Because they have too many.

00:13:20.000 It's $50.

00:13:21.000 It's the same as in Alberta.

00:13:22.000 I mean, we get our bear tags when we go up there to John and Jen's, and $50 for a wolf tag also.

00:13:28.000 So it's not like there's a low number of wolves.

00:13:32.000 But every time I've seen them, I have been in a certain amount of awe just because...

00:13:38.000 There have been this amazing animal for my entire life.

00:13:43.000 It's hard not to look at a wolf and not think regal and wild.

00:13:49.000 There's that saying that you'll see bears and lions in the circus, but you'll never see a wolf.

00:13:55.000 They're just...

00:13:56.000 And I did the commercial with the wolf, too, which was amazing.

00:14:00.000 Well, that Under Armour commercial you told me was pretty crazy because they had this scene where the wolf snarls and they had to save that scene for the very end.

00:14:10.000 Yeah, because it was...

00:14:12.000 They said, you know, it was supposed to be me against a wolf going after this elk and then I ended up winning that little the story as it was told and they needed to get the wolf snarling and so they brought some meat out gave it some meat but they said well Actually gave it,

00:14:30.000 then took it away.

00:14:31.000 And obviously that's going to make any animal upset, especially a wolf.

00:14:34.000 But they said, once we do that, we're done with the wolf.

00:14:38.000 Because it's not going to just snap out of it.

00:14:42.000 That's going to be its mindset for a while.

00:14:45.000 It's not going to be happy.

00:14:46.000 Yeah, there it is.

00:14:48.000 Go back to that.

00:14:50.000 i think it shows at the end it should yeah yeah and that was actually i mean people thought that that was edited and it wasn't you know right there with me no it was right there with me um you know they did a great job of putting that commercial together uh it wasn't necessarily snarling at me or growling at me but it was there it was it was fun how big was that wolf I think it was about 130 pounds.

00:15:17.000 I mean, it's tall.

00:15:18.000 That's a big, that's what surprised me is how tall they are.

00:15:22.000 Long legs, right?

00:15:23.000 Yeah.

00:15:23.000 And I think, you know, we were talking about earlier, as far as endurance goes, wolves, I believe, are the number one animal out there, as far as they can run miles and miles and miles, and they're tall, and they can just, you know, their gait is, you know, whatever, it allows them to go for hours and miles.

00:15:40.000 Yeah, I was talking about running with my dog, and he's only a year old, and he's in such good shape now, because he runs with me all the time.

00:15:48.000 See, if we run two miles, I run two miles.

00:15:51.000 He runs seven or eight, because he's running up and back and up and back and up and back.

00:15:56.000 But it's amazing how good a shape they're in right out of the box. 1.00

00:16:02.000 I mean, he's a fucking puppy. 1.00

00:16:03.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:16:04.000 And he just books it up that hill. 1.00

00:16:06.000 And he turns around and looks at me, like, come on, bitch! 1.00

00:16:09.000 I know. 1.00

00:16:09.000 And he comes running back to me. 1.00

00:16:10.000 Yeah, animals, you know, animals pretty much have the advantage over us on everything other than, you know, I mean, they're stronger, stronger jaws.

00:16:20.000 You know, their muscles stronger for what they have.

00:16:24.000 We have endurance as a...

00:16:28.000 Advantage over most animals potential endurance like elk, but don't luckily we have you know, we can use our minds Well, that is the reason why we're so weak.

00:16:38.000 It's so fascinating how things balance out.

00:16:40.000 It's like us using our mind, creating houses and cities and cars and just sitting in a chair all day.

00:16:48.000 It makes you soft, but then you figure out how to make a gun.

00:16:53.000 And that balances everything out.

00:16:55.000 Unless the gun jams.

00:16:57.000 And then nature comes back into play.

00:16:59.000 Yeah.

00:17:01.000 Yeah, all these people that are, you know, We're good to go.

00:17:27.000 I'm like, you guys are selling a wolf rug?

00:17:29.000 And the guy explained to me, he said, well, these wolves are all shot by the government in Alaska because they're overpopulated.

00:17:38.000 So they're in these areas where they're trying to protect the moose population for the indigenous people that are subsistence hunters and live up there.

00:17:46.000 They have like a certain quota and he's like so it's actually like it's a good thing to sell these rugs because they're gonna shoot these wolves no matter what they're trying to keep the populations in check and I think that's that's something that these people that have that because see the problem with like celebrities was like they probably didn't think that shit through at all they just think this is a cool thing to be a part of of course everybody wants wolves to live I'll just go and say we've got to support the wolf we got to save the wolf yeah And so it looks like a cool thing for you to be a

00:18:16.000 part of.

00:18:17.000 I think one of them would have been Lisa Bonet. 1.00

00:18:20.000 She's kind of a hippie, right?

00:18:22.000 Oh, she's a super hippie. 1.00

00:18:23.000 Yeah.

00:18:23.000 She's got a nose ring.

00:18:24.000 Yeah.

00:18:25.000 Everything.

00:18:25.000 She was pretty.

00:18:27.000 I remember that.

00:18:28.000 Yeah.

00:18:29.000 Remember?

00:18:29.000 Isn't it funny that Bill Cosby was mad at her because she was naked in a movie?

00:18:34.000 Remember?

00:18:34.000 She was naked in Angel Heart with Mickey Rourke.

00:18:37.000 And he was mad at that, huh?

00:18:38.000 He was mad at that.

00:18:39.000 Isn't that funny?

00:18:40.000 Yeah.

00:18:41.000 Funny how things work out.

00:18:43.000 It's ironical.

00:18:44.000 Yeah, it is ironical.

00:18:46.000 I mean, look, I don't know.

00:18:50.000 I think wolves are awesome.

00:18:51.000 Don't get me wrong, folks.

00:18:52.000 I just don't think, and this was me, too, before I started hunting, before I started taking regular trips into the woods.

00:19:00.000 You know, you don't get it.

00:19:01.000 You just don't get it.

00:19:02.000 You got to go there.

00:19:03.000 You do.

00:19:04.000 If you don't go there, you don't get it.

00:19:06.000 Yeah, you know, we try to tell the story.

00:19:08.000 I mean, we're telling the story and it's getting through to some people.

00:19:12.000 I mean, I can see it.

00:19:13.000 I can see there's education there.

00:19:15.000 I mean, and I'm sure you get messages every day from people who have never hunted, who are interested in it, who just want to know what the lifestyle is.

00:19:23.000 We've sort of romanticized the lifestyle and it's easy to do because it's the mountains and the mountains are, you know, you get that connection and you get that empowerment.

00:19:34.000 So I think we are kind of turning the tide a little bit.

00:19:38.000 I got a message from a guy.

00:19:40.000 A while back, maybe four or five months ago, who was a vegan for a long time, started listening to the podcast, at first was upset about the talk about hunting, ran into some health issues.

00:19:51.000 His doctor recommended he start eating animal products again.

00:19:54.000 Started with eggs, worked his way back up to meat, ate meat again, was getting, you know, healthy, grass-fed, you know, ethically sustained animals, ethically raised animals.

00:20:09.000 Decided to go hunting.

00:20:11.000 Became a hunter.

00:20:12.000 Shot his first deer, ate his first deer, and now he's going to be a hunter.

00:20:16.000 I mean, this guy went full circle.

00:20:18.000 Part of the journey of him going full circle was listening to people talk about it on the podcast and realizing this idea that he had in his head that these people that are out there hunting are all people that hate animals and they're cruel and they're just rednecks that are going out there drinking beer and shooting these animals and laughing and hooting and hollering about it. 0.77

00:20:37.000 Yeah.

00:20:38.000 You know, well, there's a couple points I want to make there.

00:20:42.000 One of them is, your podcast has been amazing for the education part, and I mentioned this, Adam and I did a podcast with the Gritty Bowman, and I said, you know, Joe's podcast, just because the type of person Joe is,

00:20:57.000 as far as being open-minded and giving everything a chance, not coming in with biases, are the same type of listeners you have, you've kind of cultivated, or You know, they like you because, I don't know, they see themselves in you maybe.

00:21:11.000 But anyway, so those people have come in and listened to these podcasts like this without that bias.

00:21:19.000 When you listen to it and listen to us talk about it, it's not the redneck, you know, laughing because they're killing things, the person they may have thought. 0.99

00:21:27.000 It's, you know, this whole thing, this whole thing we talk about.

00:21:29.000 And so this podcast in particular has, I think, been a huge tool as far as promoting hunting and ethical hunting and Just the empowerment of being a hunter.

00:21:41.000 And so that, I don't know, just this venue, I don't know.

00:21:46.000 I don't know if we could have ever done that without, you know, the Joe Rogan podcast.

00:21:50.000 It's been amazing.

00:21:53.000 I don't know.

00:21:54.000 Have you noticed that?

00:21:55.000 I mean, with other things besides hunting?

00:21:58.000 I think floating, that's a big thing.

00:22:03.000 Sensory deprivation tanks, that business was going under.

00:22:06.000 There was virtually no tank centers in the world.

00:22:09.000 There was like one of them in Burbank, and I had heard one of them was in San Francisco.

00:22:15.000 They were hard to find.

00:22:16.000 There was none in New York.

00:22:17.000 Like one guy had one in an apartment in New York that you could rent out.

00:22:21.000 A guy had one like that in his house in Vegas that you could rent out.

00:22:24.000 There was none.

00:22:25.000 And now there's hundreds of tech centers all over the world.

00:22:28.000 And when you fill out a form...

00:22:30.000 Dude, I got one in 2002. I bought a house.

00:22:34.000 The house had a basement.

00:22:35.000 And I bought the house with the basement for two reasons.

00:22:39.000 One, because...

00:22:42.000 I wanted to put a tank in there.

00:22:44.000 And two, because the yard was big, so I could have my dogs running around the yard.

00:22:48.000 I just wanted to have a yard where the dogs could run around.

00:22:51.000 Those were my two requirements for a house. 0.99

00:22:52.000 Everything else, I was like, I really don't give a shit about it. 0.98

00:22:56.000 The TV sits there, and okay, here's where the bed goes. 0.98

00:22:59.000 I'm a man, you know?

00:23:01.000 There's things that women sweat when it comes to houses that dudes just don't sweat. 1.00

00:23:05.000 But for me, a big one was I tried a tank a couple of times at this place called Soothing Solutions in Burbank.

00:23:11.000 I don't even know if it's around anymore.

00:23:14.000 And then I put a tank in my basement, and then I started ranting and raving about it, and doing these YouTube videos about it, and then I got a new tank from the float lab, so I gave my old tank away online.

00:23:24.000 I had like a raffle, not a raffle, but like a random draw.

00:23:28.000 I said, just send me an email.

00:23:30.000 I gave an email address out, and I'll just pick a random person.

00:23:33.000 So I literally just scrolled through my email.

00:23:35.000 I'm like, bang, right there, and picked this guy out, and sent my tank to him, and had it set up, and sent the salt down to him, and the whole deal.

00:23:43.000 And then that alone, just having that contest and giving away a tank.

00:23:47.000 And then putting together this video for the tank.

00:23:51.000 Red Band put together this really cool video about it.

00:23:54.000 So these tank centers, because me talking about it on the podcast, started opening up all over the world.

00:23:58.000 To the point where now, when you sign up at a lot of tank centers, the first time you go there, they say, how'd you hear about us?

00:24:03.000 Whether it was through the internet, through books, or Joe Rogan.

00:24:07.000 You're one of the options.

00:24:08.000 Yeah, I'm one of the options on a lot of their questionnaires.

00:24:11.000 And that probably has had even more of an impact than hunting.

00:24:16.000 Well, it's amazing.

00:24:19.000 I hear it all the time.

00:24:20.000 Well, people have told me...

00:24:22.000 You wouldn't be anything without Joe Rogan.

00:24:24.000 That's some comments that I've got.

00:24:27.000 See, there you go again.

00:24:28.000 You're concentrating on the negative ones.

00:24:29.000 I know, but...

00:24:30.000 I wouldn't be bowhunting if it wasn't for you.

00:24:32.000 Right.

00:24:32.000 So there you go.

00:24:33.000 I wouldn't be me if it wasn't for that.

00:24:35.000 I wouldn't be the me that I am now.

00:24:36.000 So there you go.

00:24:37.000 Okay.

00:24:38.000 Well, I put it...

00:24:40.000 Because I was like, God, I know...

00:24:43.000 I don't know.

00:24:43.000 I think we've talked about it before, but this podcast gets to more people than CNN. Is that right?

00:24:50.000 Oh, yeah.

00:24:51.000 For sure.

00:24:52.000 And I heard Jordan Peterson talk.

00:24:54.000 You heard me, Don Lemon.

00:24:58.000 What?

00:24:59.000 That's good.

00:25:00.000 That's good, because I trust this more than CNN. You don't trust CNN? Oh, you're a redneck. 1.00

00:25:05.000 You're all on that Fox News tip.

00:25:07.000 Oh, Fox News now.

00:25:09.000 That's where you get your news.

00:25:10.000 That's solid reporting.

00:25:12.000 That is legit.

00:25:13.000 That's Sean Hannity.

00:25:14.000 That guy, I trust him with everything.

00:25:16.000 Yep, I hear ya.

00:25:19.000 And I heard Jordan, we're talking about his recent trajectory.

00:25:24.000 I mean, he's been, I'm assuming he's been brilliant in his whole life.

00:25:28.000 Well, in the last 18 months or two years or whatever.

00:25:30.000 And I think a lot of that is because of here.

00:25:33.000 So I put in my phone, I was like, I'm going to do some research on Joe Rogan before this.

00:25:38.000 I'm going to turn the tables on him.

00:25:39.000 I'm going to podcast him.

00:25:42.000 So I was like, putting in there Joe Rogan influence or Joe Rogan...

00:25:48.000 A fact or whatever.

00:25:50.000 And I couldn't find anything.

00:25:51.000 So I think I need to write something to quantify that.

00:25:56.000 But yeah, this gets to so many people.

00:25:59.000 It gets to a lot of people. 0.99

00:26:00.000 But in all honesty, not even just trying to be humble, but all I'm doing is talking about shit that's out there. 0.99

00:26:08.000 It's real simple. 0.97

00:26:09.000 It's like I'm not really...

00:26:11.000 Doing anything unusual other than that.

00:26:14.000 Just being open-minded, which I try very hard to do.

00:26:17.000 Yeah, but when you say you just do this and just do that, nobody else does that.

00:26:21.000 They come in with these biases.

00:26:23.000 That's a problem.

00:26:25.000 Yeah, you say you just do that.

00:26:26.000 That's a big thing.

00:26:27.000 I think people need to stop doing that.

00:26:29.000 I think that's a big part of the problem we have in this world.

00:26:32.000 And I was talking with Dan Harris from Good Morning America.

00:26:37.000 That's what he's on, right?

00:26:39.000 Yeah.

00:26:40.000 Yeah.

00:26:42.000 And he used a word that I love, a term that I love, toxic tribalism.

00:26:47.000 So, I mean, you see that with CNN versus Fox News.

00:26:51.000 It's like neither one of them want to look at things objectively.

00:26:54.000 Fox News has a very clear right-wing bias.

00:26:56.000 CNN has a very clear left-wing bias.

00:26:58.000 And they just go to war with each other.

00:27:00.000 And then the president's calling everybody fake news.

00:27:03.000 You know, it's...

00:27:04.000 It's hard to see what's really going on.

00:27:08.000 People want to look at their side, they want to defend their side, and they never want to say, okay, I see this guy's point.

00:27:14.000 But you've got to be able to see people's points.

00:27:16.000 I mean, that's one thing that I always say about vegans after I make fun of them.

00:27:20.000 I say, I understand why you would want to do that, and I think it's a compassionate choice.

00:27:27.000 I get it.

00:27:28.000 I totally understand.

00:27:29.000 Yeah, so do I. I do, and I support their decision.

00:27:32.000 I don't think there's anything wrong with it.

00:27:34.000 I think you should be real careful with your health if you're doing that, though, and I'm not bullshitting.

00:27:38.000 This is not me being facetious. 0.84

00:27:41.000 Meathead.

00:27:41.000 Yeah, I'm not being a meathead.

00:27:43.000 You should be careful with your health.

00:27:44.000 There's a lot of things that you should probably check.

00:27:47.000 B12 is a big one.

00:27:48.000 That's a huge issue with vegans.

00:27:49.000 Is B12 deficiencies.

00:27:52.000 And I think if you are a vegan, you should consider supplementing with things that you don't have a problem with eating, like maybe even some cricket protein or mollusks, like shellfish.

00:28:02.000 People should look into shellfish.

00:28:04.000 Shellfish, not only are they sustainable, but they're so primitive, they don't even have a neurological system. 0.98

00:28:10.000 They don't feel any fucking pain. 0.98

00:28:12.000 You could eat clams all day long. 1.00

00:28:14.000 They don't know what the fuck is going on. 0.99

00:28:16.000 We have this idea about clams because they do that, Because they close. 0.99

00:28:20.000 Oh, the poor little thing is just trying to hide. 1.00

00:28:23.000 There's pearls in there.

00:28:25.000 No, that's oysters.

00:28:26.000 Oh.

00:28:27.000 Okay.

00:28:27.000 I don't know anything about it either.

00:28:29.000 I know about bow hunting.

00:28:30.000 Yeah.

00:28:31.000 Yes, you do.

00:28:32.000 Yes, you do.

00:28:33.000 But to me, meat tastes better.

00:28:37.000 Yeah.

00:28:37.000 You feel better, too.

00:28:39.000 No, but as you were saying, I don't have a problem with vegans or their diet.

00:28:44.000 And I understand.

00:28:44.000 I mean...

00:28:46.000 If you think about killing an animal, nobody wants to kill animals, right?

00:28:53.000 I mean, that's not...

00:28:55.000 I don't know.

00:28:55.000 That's never...

00:28:56.000 You don't want to kill an animal for no reason.

00:28:58.000 No.

00:28:58.000 You want the meat of the animal...

00:29:00.000 The act of killing.

00:29:01.000 It is not enjoyable.

00:29:03.000 No.

00:29:04.000 It's part of the process.

00:29:06.000 It's a weird sense of loss, right?

00:29:07.000 Yeah.

00:29:08.000 And so I get that they're like, well, I don't want to kill any animals.

00:29:12.000 I get it.

00:29:13.000 That's fine.

00:29:14.000 But, yeah, just having that...

00:29:16.000 You know, the biases that come with it is what causes problems.

00:29:20.000 Well, they're doing what they think is good to shame people who eat meat or attack people who eat meat and especially attack people who actively go out and kill the animals themselves because they think that somehow or another it will lessen the amount of animals that are killed.

00:29:35.000 I think the opposite happens.

00:29:37.000 I think it shores up people's aggression towards vegans.

00:29:41.000 They firmly plant their heels on the other side of the line.

00:29:45.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:29:45.000 And they're like, fuck you, hippie, greenie, asshole, tree-hugging bitches. 1.00

00:29:50.000 Go eat your sprouts. 1.00

00:29:51.000 I'm going to go over here and eat a burger.

00:29:53.000 There's a lot of people that go out and eat burgers because of that.

00:29:56.000 You know, my friend Mike Hawkridge from BC, you met him?

00:30:00.000 Mike was dealing with people from Vancouver that were sending him hate mail because of wolves.

00:30:08.000 Now, where he lives, he lives in the real British Columbia. 0.99

00:30:12.000 Where there's fucking wolves and grizzly bears everywhere. 0.99

00:30:15.000 We found a wolf kill while we were up there. 0.99

00:30:19.000 It was pretty wild.

00:30:19.000 A wolf had got ahold of a moose calf and just tore it apart.

00:30:22.000 A pack of wolves.

00:30:23.000 Hair all over the place.

00:30:25.000 It's pretty fresh, too.

00:30:27.000 But he's shot a bunch of them.

00:30:29.000 And somehow or another, some group of people found out that he shot wolves.

00:30:35.000 And where he lives, you get an unlimited amount of wolf tags.

00:30:38.000 Right.

00:30:39.000 They're trying to kill wolves as much as possible.

00:30:41.000 You can kill 100 wolves a day if you can, and that's totally legal.

00:30:44.000 Because they have ranchers up there, and I think one of his neighbors, a wolf, it was in the middle of the winter, a wolf got a hold of one of the cows, a bunch of wolves, a pack. 0.99

00:30:54.000 So these people are in their house, and they're listening to a pack of wolves tear apart a cow that's like 100 yards from their fucking bed. 1.00

00:31:01.000 Scary, freaky shit. 1.00

00:31:02.000 They live in the real wild. 1.00

00:31:04.000 So these people were sending him all these death threats. 0.99

00:31:06.000 And so he said, look, every time you guys send me one of these, I'm going to shoot a wolf in the guts. 0.99

00:31:12.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:31:13.000 Radio silence.

00:31:14.000 They stopped?

00:31:15.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:31:15.000 He said to this lady, he said, every time you send me an email, I'm going to shoot a wolf in the guts. 0.99

00:31:19.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:31:20.000 Well, I don't know.

00:31:22.000 She's probably in front of her keyboard going, ah!

00:31:24.000 Yeah.

00:31:25.000 That was a tough one. 1.00

00:31:27.000 I'm going to kill a wolf, though. 1.00

00:31:28.000 That was a tough one. 1.00

00:31:29.000 Yeah.

00:31:29.000 Yeah, you know, BC was...

00:31:31.000 They just outlawed grizzly hunting up there because of that.

00:31:34.000 They did a poll in, I think, Vancouver.

00:31:39.000 Not only that, they did a very limited email poll with about 3,000 participants.

00:31:44.000 Right, yeah.

00:31:45.000 And 76% of 3,000 people...

00:31:48.000 They were opposed to grizzly bear hunting.

00:31:50.000 But I think if you're going to have any kind of a poll like that, you should have to have these people educated first as to what they're voting about.

00:32:00.000 Do you really understand what it's like up there?

00:32:03.000 I know.

00:32:03.000 Because if you talk to Mike, Mike shot a grizzly bear in the head from like 20 feet away as he was trying to get into his cabin.

00:32:11.000 They are fucking ferocious and they're huge and there's a lot of them. 0.98

00:32:16.000 There's no shortage of grizzly bears in British Columbia. 0.99

00:32:19.000 No, but it's that whole education piece.

00:32:21.000 But that's, I mean, you could take that to even voting in our elections.

00:32:25.000 Sure.

00:32:26.000 I mean, we need to educate people.

00:32:29.000 People need to be educated on the topics, not just hunting, but everything.

00:32:32.000 Yeah.

00:32:33.000 They can vote.

00:32:34.000 Their vote still counts. 0.99

00:32:35.000 It's like you can't tell people they can't vote because that's fucked up. 0.98

00:32:38.000 You can't say, well, you have to have a certain amount of education or you can't vote. 0.95

00:32:43.000 No, but what they need to do is trust the people who do know.

00:32:46.000 Like up there, the biologist...

00:32:50.000 Who actually have boots on the ground and they know what Grizzly are doing and how many there are.

00:32:56.000 Let's go and trust those people.

00:32:58.000 It's hard to see when you're in Vancouver, though.

00:33:00.000 The problem is you're in Vancouver.

00:33:02.000 You're eating at a nice sushi restaurant.

00:33:04.000 You're hanging out with your friends.

00:33:05.000 You're going to the movies.

00:33:06.000 Everything's beautiful.

00:33:08.000 Vancouver's so nice.

00:33:09.000 Yeah, it's beautiful.

00:33:10.000 You look at the mountains.

00:33:11.000 You see Whistler off in the distance.

00:33:12.000 Oh, it's so pretty.

00:33:13.000 I don't want to kill a bear.

00:33:14.000 Don't kill the bears.

00:33:15.000 I know.

00:33:16.000 But if you just go on a six-hour car ride, just keep going north, keep going north, get out of your car, and I want you to go for a two-mile hike into the woods.

00:33:26.000 Just go for a two-mile hike, and I want you to sit there for a day.

00:33:29.000 Just sit there for a day. 1.00

00:33:30.000 You're going to see some shit. 1.00

00:33:32.000 And you will realize, you will, oh, this is a different world. 1.00

00:33:36.000 This world is, this is a wild world. 0.99

00:33:39.000 Like these things out here, they don't give a shit if people are real or not. 0.99

00:33:43.000 They are there doing what they've always done. 1.00

00:33:45.000 The bear running around looking for shit to eat. 1.00

00:33:47.000 The animals are running around looking to get the fuck away from things that are trying to eat them. 1.00

00:33:50.000 And this is how they've always existed. 0.77

00:33:52.000 Yeah, I know.

00:33:54.000 And it's just like the wolves killing the cow, you said, 20 feet from wherever they lived.

00:34:00.000 I mean, that's just what they do.

00:34:02.000 And that's what grizzlies do. 0.99

00:34:03.000 Grizzlies are going to kill... 1.00

00:34:05.000 If they can kill a moose calf or an elk calf or a deer fawn...

00:34:10.000 They're not wasting a bunch of energy chasing a full-grown animal around.

00:34:14.000 So they're using less energy, burning less calories.

00:34:16.000 They get an easy kill.

00:34:17.000 They get high protein.

00:34:18.000 That's just what they do. 0.99

00:34:19.000 But the reason why we need to kill them is they're never going to stop doing what they do. 0.99

00:34:24.000 We just need to control the numbers, so how often that's happening. 0.97

00:34:27.000 If that's happening too often because there's too many of them, well, then the moose and elk numbers go down.

00:34:32.000 It's this balancing act, and people will say, well, just let animals take care of themselves.

00:34:38.000 They always have been.

00:34:39.000 And it's like, No, we've always hunted.

00:34:42.000 It's just now that people are saying, well, we shouldn't hunt.

00:34:45.000 So they're trying to take man out of the equation now.

00:34:47.000 Man's always been in the equation as far as hunting.

00:34:49.000 Yeah, I think people have an idea about it based on the excess that people have committed.

00:34:55.000 I mean, people have committed some atrocities when it comes to animals in this country alone.

00:34:59.000 Everyone's seen those stacks of buffalo heads and Yeah. 0.98

00:35:20.000 And so, you know, you weren't, like, getting steaks and freezing them, and there was not a lot of, like, large-scale agriculture back then, either.

00:35:27.000 There was a few ranchers and farmers, but when people had all these animals that were out in the wild, and they could hire these people that were in the military that had just gotten done with the war, and they were good shots, this would be a good way to make a living.

00:35:42.000 Go out there and shoot some buffalo.

00:35:43.000 Bring back the tongues. 0.94

00:35:44.000 Buffalo tongue was a...

00:35:45.000 Like, they would shoot a giant buffalo and just take the tongue.

00:35:49.000 Hmm.

00:35:49.000 They'd take the hides, and sometimes they would take the meat, and then they wiped out almost everything.

00:35:56.000 They wiped out most of the deer, most of the elk, most of the antelope, until guys like Teddy Roosevelt came along and went, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, hit the fucking brakes! 0.99

00:36:05.000 We've got to protect these animals. 0.99

00:36:06.000 We've got to protect this land.

00:36:08.000 We've got to protect these animals.

00:36:09.000 We've got to set up private, or public land, rather, where you can't do anything to it, where people could just...

00:36:16.000 Roam and hike and camp and fish and hunt and do whatever you want.

00:36:20.000 And we've got to make sure we protect these animal populations because they got down to some incredibly low number of elk at the turn of the century, right?

00:36:28.000 Yeah, well, I mean, they almost wiped out buffalo completely.

00:36:31.000 I don't know what the elk got to, but I know, you know, as conservationists, we like to say that hunters are conservationists now, but...

00:36:39.000 So one of the figures that we share is that there's more animals now than there was a hundred years ago.

00:36:46.000 So I don't know what they were a hundred years ago, what the numbers were, but yeah, very low.

00:36:51.000 Not only that, there's more white-tailed deer today than when Columbus landed.

00:36:55.000 Although Columbus didn't really get here.

00:36:58.000 When Columbus landed in the Bahamas, there's more white-tailed deer here than now.

00:37:04.000 And part of that is because of farming, which is real weird.

00:37:08.000 Like a white-tailed deer is a weird animal.

00:37:11.000 They're kind of a farm animal in a lot of a way.

00:37:13.000 Yeah.

00:37:14.000 And it's almost like, you know, if you're doing it right as far as killing the older bucks, you're almost farming. 0.99

00:37:21.000 You know, you're not harvesting when they're young.

00:37:23.000 You're waiting until they're mature.

00:37:24.000 And so it's almost like, you know, you're letting that crop age, essentially.

00:37:29.000 What is this, Jamie?

00:37:31.000 In 1910, the U.S. Forest Service estimated there were only between 500 and 1,000 elk in Colorado. 0.99

00:37:37.000 Holy shit! 0.99

00:37:39.000 And now there's 100 and what, 25,000? 1.00

00:37:42.000 Oh, I'm sure.

00:37:43.000 I mean, 150,000?

00:37:44.000 I don't know. 0.94

00:37:45.000 There's a fuckload. 0.97

00:37:45.000 There's a lot more than that. 0.97

00:37:46.000 The number's a fuckload. 0.82

00:37:48.000 There's 10 million. 0.90

00:37:49.000 Okay, it says the elk population in North America stood at about 10 million animals before European settlers came and systematic wholesale hunting began.

00:37:59.000 Wow.

00:38:00.000 That's amazing.

00:38:01.000 Colorado became famous for his trophy hunting and European gentlemen traveled here to try their luck.

00:38:07.000 Sir George Gore. 1.00

00:38:08.000 I heard that guy was a cunt. 1.00

00:38:11.000 I'm just making that up. 1.00

00:38:11.000 He's a trophy hunter. 1.00

00:38:16.000 What a dick. 1.00

00:38:25.000 That's road hunting. 1.00

00:38:26.000 He only took prime hides and large antlers and left the meat to rot.

00:38:30.000 Oh boy, what a bad person.

00:38:32.000 That sentence right there, that's what people still think happens.

00:38:36.000 I don't know anybody who ever does.

00:38:38.000 That's illegal, first of all.

00:38:39.000 That's poaching.

00:38:40.000 That's a good thing to point out.

00:38:42.000 It is illegal to not take the meat.

00:38:44.000 Not only is it illegal to not take the meat, you have to take the neck meat in Colorado.

00:38:48.000 You have to cut out the neck meat.

00:38:50.000 All the edible meat.

00:38:54.000 Even between the ribs.

00:38:55.000 I mean, there's a little, I don't know about if that's the law in Colorado.

00:38:58.000 I know in Alaska, you kill a moose, you're even taking that meat in between the ribs.

00:39:04.000 I mean, you're taking all edible meat there.

00:39:06.000 And so people say, well, are you one of those trophy hunters or you just don't take the head and leave it to rot?

00:39:12.000 It's like, you can't do that.

00:39:14.000 Why would you do that anyway? 1.00

00:39:15.000 It's so stupid. 1.00

00:39:16.000 I wouldn't do it, but it's illegal anyway. 1.00

00:39:18.000 If you walk down the street, if you eat steak, and you walk down the street, and you saw, like, for some reason, someone had put coolers of prime rib eyes just sitting there, you'd be like, what the fuck is this here for?

00:39:33.000 You'd look around, is there anybody here? 0.96

00:39:35.000 I gotta take this.

00:39:36.000 What is this?

00:39:37.000 You can't just leave this here.

00:39:38.000 You left it here to rot.

00:39:39.000 So why would you do that when you're hunting?

00:39:41.000 That's just you finding it, right?

00:39:44.000 Probably you would not eat it, now that I think about it.

00:39:46.000 You'd be like, what is this, a trap?

00:39:49.000 I get the point you're making.

00:39:50.000 The point I was making is if you go through all the effort to go hunt, and you do eat meat, of course you're going to eat the meat.

00:39:56.000 Not only that, the meat you're eating is incredibly precious.

00:40:00.000 Elk meat is incredibly precious.

00:40:02.000 It's so delicious.

00:40:03.000 Well, here's what I know.

00:40:05.000 When we go hunting, and I can speak for myself, I'm sure I can speak for you too.

00:40:09.000 Speak for me.

00:40:10.000 When you go hunting, you bring back all the meat you can.

00:40:14.000 You eat all the meat you can of that animal.

00:40:16.000 You like sharing it.

00:40:17.000 The typical, I'll just say American, but waste 40% of their food. 0.87

00:40:23.000 This is what they buy.

00:40:24.000 You know how, oh, I'm done now in the garbage type thing?

00:40:27.000 So hunters, I know I don't do that.

00:40:30.000 If I kill a bull and I bring all that meat home, 40% of that is not going in the garbage.

00:40:36.000 You know what I mean?

00:40:37.000 So it's because we have that connection with the animal.

00:40:42.000 To me, it'd be...

00:40:44.000 I don't know if I'm thinking about it to be disrespectful, but there's so much value in it, I would never throw it in the garbage.

00:40:52.000 You know what I mean?

00:40:54.000 But when you buy it at a store, whatever.

00:40:57.000 I'm not saying people are putting 40% of prime rib in the garbage, but just as a rule, we waste a lot of food.

00:41:05.000 I think it would be a good thing for every single human being to grow some vegetables, and if you eat meat, once in your life, kill an animal.

00:41:16.000 I think everyone should do it.

00:41:18.000 I really do.

00:41:19.000 There was an article that I tweeted today.

00:41:22.000 I forget the subject, the title of it, rather.

00:41:25.000 But it was something along the lines of, it's not healthy to hide from the fact that there's death involved in eating meat.

00:41:35.000 I did a terrible job of paraphrasing that.

00:41:38.000 You find what that title is?

00:41:40.000 It's an article.

00:41:41.000 Okay.

00:41:41.000 We shouldn't hide the gory details of how meat reaches our plate.

00:41:46.000 Right.

00:41:46.000 Are those chickens?

00:41:48.000 What are those?

00:41:48.000 Yeah.

00:41:50.000 And I think that's very, very important. 0.98

00:41:53.000 And I think that, like, what I'm looking at right there is fucking gross. 0.99

00:41:56.000 That's their life. 0.99

00:41:57.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:41:59.000 It's fucked up because I eat chickens, but I don't eat my chickens. 0.99

00:42:02.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:42:03.000 Like, someone said, do you eat those chickens?

00:42:04.000 I'm like, no, those aren't like my pets.

00:42:06.000 It's weird, right? 0.99

00:42:08.000 But I'll eat the shit out of some chicken. 0.99

00:42:10.000 Yeah. 0.96

00:42:11.000 But when you think of it like that, I mean, so when we're looking at this picture, I know people listening to the podcast can't see the picture, but I mean...

00:42:19.000 We're looking at an enormous warehouse.

00:42:22.000 I mean, enormous.

00:42:23.000 It looks like several football fields long, and it's filled with chickens that are just stuffed into these rows.

00:42:28.000 On top of each other, right?

00:42:29.000 And that's their life until they get killed.

00:42:31.000 And when you think of that, okay, would I rather do that, or would I rather procure my own meat hunting?

00:42:37.000 You know, everybody would say, that's not right.

00:42:41.000 And I believe hunting is a noble way of procuring me.

00:42:46.000 Yeah.

00:42:47.000 And I think when you look at that, but people don't see that they don't think about that when they order their, you know, chick chicken nuggets.

00:42:56.000 They're not thinking about that.

00:42:57.000 No.

00:42:57.000 Just hungry.

00:42:58.000 Just hungry.

00:42:59.000 It's just too easy to get food.

00:43:00.000 I really think it's too easy to get food.

00:43:02.000 That's why we're such fatos.

00:43:03.000 That's a big problem.

00:43:04.000 But it's also too easy psychologically because we just don't have any...

00:43:09.000 I think you should have a connection if you're eating a living thing.

00:43:13.000 It just seems...

00:43:15.000 It just seems like you should understand what it is.

00:43:17.000 Just for your own mind.

00:43:19.000 Just for a sense of balance.

00:43:21.000 And 97% of Americans eat meat.

00:43:25.000 And something like 65% of vegans when they get drunk eat meat.

00:43:31.000 Really?

00:43:31.000 Yeah, some crazy number.

00:43:33.000 It might be higher than that.

00:43:34.000 I think I read it was like 84% of vegans.

00:43:37.000 See, I'm just making up numbers at this point.

00:43:39.000 That's fine.

00:43:40.000 It doesn't matter.

00:43:40.000 That might have been a tweet I read.

00:43:41.000 Somebody might have just made that up.

00:43:42.000 Who's going to audit us?

00:43:44.000 So a vegan drunk.

00:43:46.000 Yeah, they get drunk.

00:43:47.000 So meat's like an ex-girlfriend. 1.00

00:43:49.000 Yeah.

00:43:49.000 Right?

00:43:50.000 It's like an ex-girlfriend, yeah.

00:43:51.000 You get drunk if you're lonely.

00:43:53.000 You're texting your ex-girlfriend and you're eating a hot dog.

00:43:56.000 Is that right?

00:43:57.000 Yeah, same thing.

00:43:59.000 Yeah, exactly the same thing.

00:44:00.000 Okay, I got it.

00:44:00.000 It's a little over a third that confessed to eating meat when they're drunk.

00:44:04.000 Oh, then it's 100%, because three-quarters of them are liars. 0.78

00:44:07.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:44:09.000 Surprising number of drunk vegetarians secretly eat meat.

00:44:12.000 That is an awesome picture right there.

00:44:14.000 I love that picture.

00:44:15.000 The problem with this thing is this is a third of people that they asked.

00:44:18.000 And British vegetarians.

00:44:20.000 Oh, British people. 1.00

00:44:20.000 It's a totally different animal. 1.00

00:44:21.000 They fucking hate hunters. 1.00

00:44:23.000 They love saying cunt. 1.00

00:44:24.000 Oh, did I see effing cunt in there, actually? 1.00

00:44:27.000 Did you say that? 1.00

00:44:28.000 Really?

00:44:28.000 I thought I did.

00:44:30.000 I've been looking for it.

00:44:31.000 Oh, no.

00:44:31.000 Fleshing out.

00:44:35.000 I like how you said effing cunt, but you didn't say fucking cunt. 1.00

00:44:38.000 No, that's a cuss word. 1.00

00:44:43.000 Yeah, they do love to say cunt. 1.00

00:44:45.000 But they're the most delusional. 1.00

00:44:48.000 South Americans are super delusional. 1.00

00:44:49.000 Because there's no hunting there.

00:44:50.000 Exactly.

00:44:50.000 No hunting.

00:44:51.000 Brazil, for some strange reason.

00:44:53.000 I know.

00:44:53.000 I get a lot of hate from Brazil.

00:44:55.000 But they love me.

00:44:56.000 You go to Brazil, they invented the chuhascaria. 1.00

00:44:59.000 Chuhascarias are the shit, man. 1.00

00:45:01.000 Did we go to one when we went to Brazil? 1.00

00:45:04.000 Is that where they threw the plates in the mall?

00:45:05.000 Yes!

00:45:06.000 Right?

00:45:06.000 Oh, that's right!

00:45:07.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah!

00:45:07.000 They threw the plates.

00:45:08.000 Yeah, they fucking chuck plates like frisbees and shatter them. 0.99

00:45:11.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:45:12.000 They know how to party in Brazil.

00:45:13.000 They do.

00:45:13.000 And it's just meat on meat on meat.

00:45:15.000 Meat on meat.

00:45:15.000 It was beautiful.

00:45:16.000 You get a card.

00:45:17.000 It's got green on one side and red on the other.

00:45:19.000 A lot of people have been to these, like Fogo de Chão is a great one that's here in LA and all over the country.

00:45:25.000 But that's what they eat!

00:45:26.000 They're famous for meat! 0.96

00:45:28.000 When you're done with the meat, you give them the red card.

00:45:30.000 Yeah.

00:45:30.000 Right?

00:45:31.000 Yeah, you flip that card, I'll be like, you're done.

00:45:33.000 It's green on one side, red on the other.

00:45:34.000 Yeah, you tap out.

00:45:35.000 Yeah, we go to town. 1.00

00:45:37.000 Nobody can fuck with Ari Shafir when it comes to that place. 1.00

00:45:39.000 Nobody. 1.00

00:45:40.000 Really?

00:45:40.000 No, I've never seen...

00:45:42.000 Look, when me and Ari go to eat, generally speaking, I'm more of a glutton than him.

00:45:47.000 I'll eat more than him.

00:45:48.000 Yeah.

00:45:48.000 But not at that place.

00:45:50.000 Really?

00:45:50.000 There's something about, like, all you can eat.

00:45:53.000 I think maybe it's some, like, because his dad was in the Holocaust or something like that.

00:45:58.000 Yeah.

00:45:58.000 Like, or he's just, like, because it's free, because it's, like, you could eat, he just won't stop.

00:46:04.000 I've never seen anything like it. 0.99

00:46:06.000 I go, like, where are you putting all this fucking food? 0.99

00:46:08.000 Everyone's done. 0.99

00:46:09.000 Joey Diaz is done.

00:46:10.000 I'm done.

00:46:11.000 Eddie Bravo's done.

00:46:12.000 We're done.

00:46:12.000 We're just sitting there like this, like, ugh.

00:46:15.000 I'm like, you're still on green?

00:46:17.000 You're still on green?

00:46:18.000 He's like, I'm still on green.

00:46:19.000 And the guy will come over, you got lamb chops?

00:46:21.000 Lamb chops, yes, bring the lamb chops. 0.99

00:46:24.000 I've never seen anything like it.

00:46:25.000 That stuff is so good though, especially in Brazil there.

00:46:28.000 Yeah, they know how to do it.

00:46:29.000 And they have grass-fed meat over there, too. 0.93

00:46:31.000 They're not fucking around with the corn-fed and all that. 0.98

00:46:33.000 They don't have the sick, fat cows that we have over here. 1.00

00:46:36.000 But it is weird how you get a lot of hate from people over there.

00:46:40.000 But it's because of the propaganda that And the negative aspects of trophy hunting. 0.89

00:46:46.000 Like when you see a guy standing there with a dead elephant or some shit like that. 0.99

00:46:50.000 Like, why the fuck would you kill an elephant? 0.99

00:46:52.000 Like that kind of stuff in people's mind. 1.00

00:46:54.000 Or a giraffe. 1.00

00:46:55.000 Why the fuck would you kill a giraffe? 1.00

00:46:56.000 Like people have this idea that these people just go over there to kill things. 1.00

00:46:59.000 And so this is what trophy hunting is.

00:47:01.000 So they see you with an elk. 1.00

00:47:03.000 Like, oh, you piece of shit. 1.00

00:47:04.000 Why just go over there and shoot that thing? 1.00

00:47:06.000 Like, no, this is my food for a year.

00:47:08.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:47:09.000 You're going to that goddamn steakhouse and you keep that thing on green. 1.00

00:47:12.000 What do you think you're doing? 1.00

00:47:14.000 You're killing. 0.63

00:47:15.000 You're killing with your credit card. 0.97

00:47:17.000 I know.

00:47:18.000 Well, all we can do is try to educate and share the lifestyle.

00:47:23.000 I think it's important...

00:47:27.000 To be leaders and how we share that.

00:47:30.000 Because I see things that I wish weren't shared sometimes.

00:47:33.000 I mean, I've even made mistakes.

00:47:35.000 I'm not trying to say that I'm dialed in and I never make a mistake on what I post or whatever.

00:47:41.000 But I just think we need to be stewards of hunting.

00:47:44.000 And if we do it right, we're not going to get everybody.

00:47:47.000 We're not going to educate everybody because there's some that just won't listen.

00:47:52.000 But we can make some inroads.

00:47:54.000 I think we have and I think it's important to relay experiences because I think there's things to be learned From a lot of experiences, you know, like talking to you and talking to Courtney Dolwalter about just ultra marathons and endurance running.

00:48:13.000 There's something to be learned from that about the kind of mindset that it takes to do that.

00:48:17.000 I think having these conversations with you guys has changed the way I look at those things. 0.99

00:48:22.000 Like, fuck, man, before I met you, I never ran. 0.99

00:48:25.000 I'm running all the time now. 1.00

00:48:27.000 Dude, I run all the time.

00:48:29.000 I don't know.

00:48:29.000 You look slim.

00:48:30.000 I mean, how much do you weigh?

00:48:31.000 Like 196, 195. Oh, so you're about the same.

00:48:34.000 No, I'm a little lighter.

00:48:35.000 Oh, are you?

00:48:35.000 I was up to like 204 when I was a fatso.

00:48:37.000 Oh, okay.

00:48:38.000 That was the fattest I've ever been.

00:48:39.000 I thought you looked slimmer.

00:48:40.000 I'm a little, maybe a little slimmer.

00:48:42.000 Maybe I'm like 195 or 194. 194 is when I'm pretty lean.

00:48:46.000 I've got a full six-pack.

00:48:48.000 I look fat.

00:48:48.000 At 194. When I get to 200, that's when I go, okay, we better start doing the fasting again.

00:48:56.000 When I really get into my intermittent fasting, I'll spend either 14 or 16 hours without eating in a day.

00:49:02.000 I only eat for like 8 or 10 hours in a day.

00:49:04.000 I eat about every 30 minutes.

00:49:06.000 I'm actually starving.

00:49:07.000 Are you starting right now?

00:49:08.000 No.

00:49:09.000 See, but you're in a different thing, though, because I'm eating mostly fat, and a lot of guys are on that carnivore diet now.

00:49:16.000 When we had that Sean Baker in here, that doctor, the Bells, Chris Bell and Mark Bell, those guys are both on the carnivore diet now.

00:49:24.000 They don't eat anything but meat.

00:49:26.000 All day.

00:49:26.000 Wow.

00:49:27.000 Yeah, Mark says he's never felt better.

00:49:29.000 So he's thin.

00:49:30.000 He looks ripped. 1.00

00:49:31.000 If you look at his Instagram page, he's fucking jacked. 1.00

00:49:33.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:49:33.000 Shredded. 1.00

00:49:34.000 He's also on steroids.

00:49:35.000 That probably helps.

00:49:37.000 But he looks good.

00:49:39.000 Yeah.

00:49:40.000 Well, it's...

00:49:41.000 I don't know.

00:49:42.000 One of my favorites...

00:49:43.000 Yeah, look at the pictures.

00:49:45.000 Jamie just goes, Jesus Christ.

00:49:46.000 Yeah, look at him.

00:49:47.000 Look at that picture.

00:49:48.000 Oh my God.

00:49:49.000 All he's eating is meat.

00:49:50.000 All he's eating is meat. 0.86

00:49:52.000 Jacked! 0.73

00:49:52.000 Yeah. 0.73

00:49:53.000 Jacked! 0.73

00:49:54.000 Stud.

00:49:55.000 Plus steroids.

00:49:56.000 A little bit of steroids there. 0.99

00:49:57.000 But whatever.

00:49:59.000 Yeah.

00:50:00.000 Who's that?

00:50:00.000 Mark Bell?

00:50:01.000 Yeah.

00:50:02.000 He's a fucking animal. 1.00

00:50:03.000 Yeah, I watched the... 1.00

00:50:05.000 Bigger, Stronger, Faster?

00:50:06.000 Is that what it was?

00:50:07.000 Yeah.

00:50:08.000 His brother was on there, right?

00:50:10.000 Three brothers, and one of them died.

00:50:12.000 One of them died.

00:50:13.000 They hit a drug problem.

00:50:14.000 He was a pro wrestler.

00:50:15.000 Yeah, that's the one I watched.

00:50:17.000 Yeah, it was...

00:50:19.000 Powerful documentary.

00:50:20.000 It was.

00:50:21.000 It was pretty sad.

00:50:22.000 I mean, he wanted, you know, his brother wanted to make it be something, just like a lot of us, you know, and, you know, it's hard to say. 0.99

00:50:30.000 Well, he ran into the problem that I've seen many people run into, those goddamn prescription pills. 0.99

00:50:35.000 They're so scary. 0.99

00:50:36.000 They're one of the scariest things that are in modern society, and it's something that's not talked about enough.

00:50:42.000 You only hear it talked about from family members of people that have lost people or close friends of people that have lost people.

00:50:48.000 But it's a giant problem in this country.

00:50:52.000 We're losing thousands of people every day to pain pills.

00:50:56.000 Yeah.

00:50:56.000 Well, I put something up not long ago about suicide, and it was amazing.

00:51:03.000 How many people sent me messages?

00:51:05.000 I mean, how many people are affected or just are dealing with negative thoughts of their own and little mini battles.

00:51:13.000 And it's just like that one post.

00:51:17.000 I don't know.

00:51:18.000 I think people just need to know that there's people out there that care.

00:51:21.000 But I don't know how when they get in that cycle of pills, I don't really know.

00:51:27.000 I'm not a doctor.

00:51:28.000 I don't know how that works.

00:51:29.000 I don't know what they're dealing with.

00:51:31.000 I just know that, you know, social media can be used.

00:51:35.000 It can be irritating sometimes, but man, it can be good, especially for people like that, just able to reach out and maybe, you know, get some support or encouragement or something.

00:51:46.000 Yeah.

00:51:47.000 Well, for someone that they admire like you, that's gigantic.

00:51:50.000 If they can read something like that, sometimes that's all people need, just a little wind in their sail.

00:51:55.000 Just a little something.

00:51:57.000 I'm not saying I did anything.

00:51:59.000 It was in the news.

00:52:01.000 There was a quarterback up at Washington State that killed himself.

00:52:05.000 He was going to be the starting quarterback on the football team.

00:52:07.000 21 years old, and he shot himself a few weeks ago.

00:52:11.000 I didn't want to say that, well...

00:52:14.000 Because I don't want to say that, well, it's because as an athlete, that's why anybody cares, you know?

00:52:18.000 But it's anybody.

00:52:19.000 It's any person who's 21 years old.

00:52:21.000 I'm thinking, what a tragedy that is.

00:52:24.000 But it just, that was in the news, so it happened.

00:52:27.000 And so that's why I put it up.

00:52:28.000 And for no, I can't do anything.

00:52:30.000 It's not like I'm...

00:52:32.000 I just wanted people to be aware and just have that number to call in case there was a 21-year-old feeling that exact same way.

00:52:39.000 And this is seemingly some kid who had everything.

00:52:42.000 I mean, a college quarterback.

00:52:45.000 And it just breaks my heart to think that...

00:52:50.000 He would get to that point where killing himself was the answer. 0.97

00:52:56.000 It's even harder for younger people because they don't have a lot of life experiences and they don't know that a guy like you or I who's lived a long time and have seen a lot of shit, you've gone through your ups and downs and when you hit a down you go, well... 0.99

00:53:11.000 This sucks, but I know it's gonna get better. 0.99

00:53:14.000 Just gotta figure out why it sucks. 1.00

00:53:15.000 Address why it sucks. 0.98

00:53:18.000 Apologize if you need to. 1.00

00:53:20.000 Correct whatever the issue is that's making you feel like shit. 0.99

00:53:23.000 Pull yourself out of it. 0.98

00:53:24.000 Do a bunch of positive things.

00:53:26.000 Next thing you know, you're gonna be okay again.

00:53:28.000 And sometimes when you're 21 years old, you think the world's over.

00:53:32.000 I mean, I remember when my girlfriend dumped me when I was 18. I was so fucking bummed out. 0.85

00:53:37.000 I couldn't imagine. 0.97

00:53:38.000 I couldn't imagine living without her.

00:53:41.000 I was like, I can't believe that this is over.

00:53:44.000 I can't believe. 0.99

00:53:44.000 You're so devastated because you're fucking, you're a baby. 0.99

00:53:48.000 You're an 18-year-old baby. 1.00

00:53:49.000 You don't know jack shit. 0.97

00:53:51.000 But when you get older, and you've had more life experiences and more things, you get more perspective, and you kind of understand, like, what this feeling is, this bad feeling, and you just know, well, hey, I just gotta get the fuck out of the house, I gotta go hang out with my friends, I gotta go do a bunch of positive things, go hit the gym, take a yoga class, 0.94

00:54:07.000 do something fun, and then everything's gonna be okay.

00:54:10.000 You realize, hey, you know, Life's not perfect.

00:54:14.000 There's no such thing as a perfect life.

00:54:15.000 It doesn't exist.

00:54:16.000 You're gonna have ups, you're gonna have downs, but when you're 21 years old, it's very difficult to see that.

00:54:22.000 And also, who knows what else is going on in his life, whether it's pills or whether it's head trauma.

00:54:28.000 A lot of football players wind up killing themselves.

00:54:30.000 It's not a coincidence.

00:54:32.000 It's directly related to head drama.

00:54:34.000 Yeah, I'm not sure.

00:54:35.000 I don't want to speculate on any of that.

00:54:37.000 I don't either.

00:54:41.000 It's horrible.

00:54:42.000 I get a lot of...

00:54:43.000 I just...

00:54:44.000 When you said, well, you go hang out with your friends, it sometimes...

00:54:48.000 Because I've been in certain groups where even my friends aren't positive.

00:54:51.000 You know what I mean?

00:54:52.000 So you're like, that even makes it worse, they can.

00:54:55.000 So, I mean, that's where I see the positives of social media.

00:54:58.000 And I wish I could respond to everybody who sends me messages and just say, hey, you know, and it's cliche, keep hammering or whatever, but I know I get inspiration from people online.

00:55:09.000 And if...

00:55:12.000 I get a shout-out.

00:55:13.000 It feels good.

00:55:14.000 Sure.

00:55:14.000 It doesn't mean anything.

00:55:15.000 The Rock wears a t-shirt.

00:55:16.000 I don't know if it means...

00:55:17.000 It doesn't mean anything.

00:55:18.000 It does mean something.

00:55:19.000 But it does to me.

00:55:20.000 And so I just know what it's like to be in a small town and to not...

00:55:25.000 I'm not saying I didn't have any positive friends or whatever, but I know what it'd feel like to not have anybody to really lean on.

00:55:31.000 And so I try to think about...

00:55:34.000 Maybe people like I was. 0.98

00:55:36.000 And man, I just think we can, I don't know, together, shit, we can do a lot of positive things. 0.98

00:55:43.000 I just, like I said, it breaks my heart to think of people living negative each day. 0.97

00:55:50.000 I agree with you and I think that's one of the things that social media can do that's positive and also podcasts can do that's positive.

00:55:57.000 There's people that are listening to this conversation right now that they're taking comfort from it.

00:56:04.000 They might be either stuck in a shitty job or they might be alone and they're here with us.

00:56:09.000 They're here hanging out and they realize there's people like us out there.

00:56:12.000 There's friendly, positive people out there.

00:56:15.000 Even if you're alone, At least you're not around negative twats.

00:56:19.000 There's a lot of negative people around, and it's unfortunate that they're negative.

00:56:23.000 I wish you could fix them all.

00:56:25.000 But sometimes life gives you these lessons in the form of disastrous lives that you witness. 0.99

00:56:32.000 And you see these disastrous lives and you just go, oh my god, I gotta get the fuck away from this crazy asshole and live my life in a more positive, productive way because I see what can happen if you blame the world for all your problems and all you do is hate and you hate on people that are successful and you hate on people that are... 0.99

00:56:52.000 Whatever. 1.00

00:56:53.000 Wealthy, good looking.

00:56:54.000 Pick the thing.

00:56:56.000 Girls that are thin. 1.00

00:56:57.000 Whatever the thing is that you hate on.

00:56:59.000 There's so many people out there that waste all of their energy doing that.

00:57:02.000 And if you're around them, you can't fix them.

00:57:05.000 It's so hard to fix people.

00:57:06.000 But what you can do is see what they're doing that's so negative and Just completely degrades the quality of their life and just don't do that.

00:57:19.000 Recognize.

00:57:20.000 Recognize that this is not the way to live and then go listen to a podcast with some positive people and say, look at this guy.

00:57:25.000 This guy's out there Eating healthy, doing good things.

00:57:29.000 He lost 15 pounds. 1.00

00:57:30.000 She went running and decided to start doing marathons, and he did this, and this guy's building a fucking house. 0.94

00:57:36.000 You can find a lot of positive examples of people online today. 0.95

00:57:42.000 That's one of the reasons why I'm so drawn to ultra-running.

00:57:46.000 I mean, because whether you like running or not, the people that do that are some great, positive people.

00:57:53.000 They're savages.

00:57:54.000 Oh, but they're also...

00:57:56.000 You get so used to winning those many battles in a long run.

00:58:01.000 I mean, you have to...

00:58:02.000 And you get strength from each other.

00:58:04.000 So, at the finish line or during the race, is you can get a bond.

00:58:09.000 There's a saying, you know, he who sheds his blood with me will be my brother.

00:58:14.000 And it's like, it's not...

00:58:15.000 That's probably derived from war and I get that it's not like a war or anything like that but it's going through a mini battle and when you do that with somebody and you share that experience you get that connection and it's like and it's why even though I don't know Courtney that well I know What she does.

00:58:34.000 And I really look up to her ability to just be a beast.

00:58:39.000 And that whole environment, the ultra running environment and community is empowering for me for sure.

00:58:47.000 And that's why I love even just being around people like that.

00:58:51.000 It just makes you better.

00:58:52.000 Well, they're exceptional.

00:58:54.000 Those are exceptional people.

00:58:56.000 They have an exceptional mind.

00:58:57.000 To be able to endure something like a 238-mile race through the Moab Desert, you've got to be something special.

00:59:05.000 There's a little thing in the back of your head that says, why don't you sit down?

00:59:08.000 I want to just quit.

00:59:10.000 Enough's enough.

00:59:11.000 We already ran five miles.

00:59:13.000 That's enough, man.

00:59:14.000 You ran a marathon.

00:59:15.000 That is enough.

00:59:16.000 You ran two marathons. 1.00

00:59:17.000 You sit the fuck down. 1.00

00:59:17.000 We just sit the fuck down and take a nap. 1.00

00:59:19.000 But you have to be able to shut that off, and most people can't shut that off. 0.99

00:59:23.000 They just can't, you know?

00:59:25.000 It's tough.

00:59:26.000 It's amazing.

00:59:26.000 I mean, my brother was with me on that last one.

00:59:30.000 And it's weird to share an experience like that with somebody because you can be similar, but in the course of something like three days like that, you're in low points at different times.

00:59:44.000 You know what I mean?

00:59:44.000 And so it's really hard.

00:59:48.000 It's really hard to win each of those battles because at one time when you might, I don't know, it's just, it seems like that'd be easier, and I think in some respects it is, but it's, man, it's tough.

01:00:02.000 It's tough all the way around.

01:00:04.000 So when you're going through a three-day, 238-mile run, Does it... 0.99

01:00:11.000 It gets bad at certain times where you just feel like shit. 0.99

01:00:16.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:00:16.000 And then if you keep going, it gets better? 0.99

01:00:19.000 And then it gets bad again?

01:00:20.000 Yeah.

01:00:21.000 And then it gets better.

01:00:22.000 Oh, yeah, yeah.

01:00:22.000 You're up and down, up and down the whole time.

01:00:25.000 But you know that if you keep going, even when you feel like dog shit, you'll eventually break through and start feeling okay again. 0.98

01:00:33.000 I don't know. 0.98

01:00:34.000 There's no guarantee.

01:00:35.000 There's no guarantee.

01:00:36.000 No, there's no guarantee.

01:00:36.000 You hope...

01:00:38.000 Have you ever gone through a whole long race and felt like dog shit the entire time? 1.00

01:00:42.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:00:42.000 Which one of those? 0.99

01:00:43.000 Well, like the 24-hour run, you know, because that's usually like my first tough one of the year.

01:00:49.000 It's in June, so I haven't really prepared for it enough.

01:00:53.000 No, because I'm always after spring bear.

01:00:56.000 And I haven't been training because I've been up in bear camp and doing whatever.

01:01:01.000 So that's always one where I know I'm just pretty much going to be miserable the whole time.

01:01:06.000 There's going to be no light at the end of the tunnel, other than when the 24 hours is up.

01:01:10.000 So that one I know.

01:01:12.000 I'm just going to have to grind it out.

01:01:14.000 That's where I'm like, this is one day out of my life.

01:01:20.000 Just do it.

01:01:21.000 I'm just going to be miserable.

01:01:23.000 You know, on Moab, that one started off and I felt terrible right out of the, I mean, I felt, I was like, we were, God, I don't want to think, like 19 or maybe 15 miles in, something like that at an aid station.

01:01:38.000 I'm going, this is not good.

01:01:41.000 15 miles in?

01:01:42.000 Yes.

01:01:42.000 What's crazy is you were running a marathon a day.

01:01:45.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:01:46.000 So why was 15 miles so bad?

01:01:49.000 Um, I don't know.

01:01:50.000 There's sometimes when you, do you ever go on a run and your legs just feel heavy?

01:01:54.000 Yeah.

01:01:54.000 And you just don't feel good?

01:01:55.000 Yeah.

01:01:56.000 So it was that.

01:01:58.000 That's what it was.

01:01:58.000 I just, I was like, I wanted to be fresh and I wanted to feel light on my feet and I wanted to get out there.

01:02:05.000 And I was like, it's not a good sign when I didn't because, you know, we just essentially started the race and it was hot and I had run out of water already one time.

01:02:17.000 And my legs felt heavy, and so it wasn't looking good.

01:02:23.000 And then Courtney was way out ahead, and they were saying...

01:02:27.000 I didn't really know who she was at that time, so me and my brother Taylor, we were thinking, well, in the 70s would win the race.

01:02:37.000 So I thought, well, I want to go out and aim for finishing in the 70s.

01:02:43.000 When you say 70s, what do you mean?

01:02:44.000 70 hours?

01:02:46.000 So I figured, because what usually won Bigfoot was high 60s.

01:02:51.000 And Bigfoot's 205?

01:02:52.000 205. And so this is close to 35 miles further.

01:02:56.000 So we just figured, well, probably 70s is going to get it done.

01:03:01.000 And so she went out, and there's a couple other guys with her, I think.

01:03:05.000 And they went out pretty hard.

01:03:07.000 And, you know, there's updates on where they were.

01:03:10.000 And I didn't know at that time she was the American record holder for the 24-hour run. 0.97

01:03:17.000 She'd run 160 miles, I think, in 24 hours.

01:03:21.000 Jesus Christ!

01:03:22.000 And so...

01:03:24.000 I was like, oh, well, they just went too fast, you know, because I'd done that before, like a Bigfoot the year before, and I thought, well, they'll come back, you know, so meaning we'd catch up or they'd come back.

01:03:37.000 And I think the guys with her ended up dropping off a little bit, and then she never came back.

01:03:44.000 Well, one of them dropped out totally.

01:03:45.000 He tried to keep up with her, and he couldn't, and he wound up dropping out totally.

01:03:48.000 Mm-hmm. 0.99

01:03:49.000 She's a monster. 1.00

01:03:50.000 She's eating nachos and candy. 1.00

01:03:51.000 That's what's crazy.

01:03:52.000 Drinking beer.

01:03:53.000 All these people are on all these diets and watching their macronutrients.

01:03:58.000 No, but I did want to say that because I listened to you talk to her about that.

01:04:04.000 Excuse me.

01:04:05.000 I've seen a lot of comments about that, but what you've got to keep in mind is her training.

01:04:10.000 Yeah.

01:04:11.000 So you can't say, well, I run 15 miles a week and I'm going to eat nachos and beer.

01:04:15.000 Right.

01:04:16.000 So she's running 120 miles a week probably. 1.00

01:04:19.000 You can eat pretty much whatever you want.

01:04:21.000 Right.

01:04:22.000 Well, I get that, but it's also like I was asking her about the nutritional content.

01:04:28.000 Of her food.

01:04:29.000 Are you really monitoring how much protein you get versus phytonutrients and minerals?

01:04:35.000 No, no.

01:04:36.000 Just gutting it out.

01:04:37.000 She probably just needs calories. 1.00

01:04:39.000 It doesn't even matter how she gets them.

01:04:42.000 Just needs calories to sustain herself. 1.00

01:04:44.000 I would just think for just the cells of your body, you would need more nutrients.

01:04:48.000 I mean, who knows? 1.00

01:04:49.000 She's obviously a fucking savage. 1.00

01:04:51.000 But who knows, if she really monitored her diet and ate super healthy, she might be better. 1.00

01:04:58.000 Maybe.

01:04:58.000 Which is just terrifying.

01:05:00.000 Maybe.

01:05:00.000 Yeah, she's amazing.

01:05:03.000 She's so normal, too.

01:05:04.000 Yeah.

01:05:05.000 You hang out with her?

01:05:06.000 Like, when she did the podcast, she's just fun and laughing.

01:05:08.000 Like, you would never imagine that she's just like... 0.90

01:05:12.000 Elite ultra-marathon runner.

01:05:13.000 I would think you'd have to be super stoic and intense.

01:05:17.000 No.

01:05:17.000 And when you see her, she's wearing, it looks like basketball shorts.

01:05:21.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:05:23.000 Big shorts.

01:05:23.000 It's not like...

01:05:26.000 You know, you see some of these track athletes, and they got the tight little shorts on, and the singlet, and they're like, you know, she's just like, with kind of a baggy shirt and baggy shorts, and then just crushing people.

01:05:40.000 Crazy!

01:05:40.000 Yeah, she's...

01:05:41.000 I love that, though.

01:05:43.000 I love outliers.

01:05:44.000 I love people that come along that don't make any sense. 0.99

01:05:46.000 They're like, what the fuck? 0.99

01:05:47.000 Like, she's so much better than everybody else. 1.00

01:05:50.000 She won that 238 mile race by 22 miles? 0.96

01:05:56.000 Something like that, yeah.

01:05:57.000 22 miles ahead of the second place winner.

01:06:00.000 Yeah.

01:06:00.000 And the guy who got second is a stud.

01:06:03.000 Fucking animal! 1.00

01:06:04.000 The guy's an animal. 1.00

01:06:05.000 Yeah.

01:06:05.000 And she was 22 miles ahead of him.

01:06:07.000 I know.

01:06:07.000 Imagine getting whooped, not just whooped, but whooped 22 miles ahead by someone who's eating nachos and drinking beer and eating candy.

01:06:17.000 I just love that.

01:06:18.000 I love someone who doesn't make any sense, who's just so much better, and it's just like, wow, we gotta fucking throw a monkey wrench into this whole idea.

01:06:26.000 The only thing I got on anybody is, can they pack out an elk?

01:06:30.000 Nah, you got that on them. 1.00

01:06:32.000 If that was the race, you'd fuck them all up. 1.00

01:06:35.000 But what I like about her also is I flew home the other day. 0.99

01:06:39.000 I can't remember where it was from, but I flew over.

01:06:42.000 In the Cascades of Oregon, there's a Middle Sister, North Sister, South Sister, and then Bachelors where everybody goes and skis, and then Broken Tops right there. 0.95

01:06:51.000 So I filmed it, and I'm like...

01:06:53.000 I tagged my brother, Taylor, and I'm like, hey, can we knock off all five of these peaks in 24 hours?

01:06:59.000 And it would be...

01:07:01.000 I mean, it would be a test, you know?

01:07:03.000 And she commented and said she'd join us.

01:07:07.000 Wow.

01:07:07.000 She wants to come do it.

01:07:08.000 So, I mean, I just love that.

01:07:10.000 I don't even...

01:07:11.000 She's amazing, but that type of... 1.00

01:07:16.000 I mean, I guess that kind of goes hand in hand with the eating whatever you want is also doing whatever you want.

01:07:22.000 You know, like a lot of these elite athletes, they would be like, have a schedule of races and my training and this and that, you know, whatever.

01:07:31.000 I like that she would just say, yeah, I'll do that.

01:07:34.000 It's not a race.

01:07:35.000 It's just, we're just having fun.

01:07:38.000 Or just a test.

01:07:39.000 It's an unofficial test.

01:07:41.000 And for her to want to join in, that's probably what I love the most about her.

01:07:46.000 And are there established trails that you guys can run over all those peaks?

01:07:49.000 We did the South Sister and the Middle Sister last year, and now it's getting off the South Sister towards the Middle Sister is sketchy.

01:07:59.000 There's no trails, no.

01:08:00.000 Oh, so you're just running through the woods.

01:08:03.000 There's no trees.

01:08:04.000 It's on the side of the mountain, so it's like shale.

01:08:07.000 Oh, even more sketchy.

01:08:08.000 Yeah.

01:08:09.000 I'd rather run over trees.

01:08:10.000 Yeah.

01:08:11.000 Sort of.

01:08:12.000 No, you would, because if there's trees there, there's solid ground there.

01:08:15.000 Right.

01:08:16.000 So with the rocks up there, you don't know what's going to happen. 0.98

01:08:19.000 But you've got to be stepping over shit if there's trees there. 0.56

01:08:22.000 You might run into a bunch of places where all the trees have fallen down. 0.99

01:08:25.000 Generally, yeah.

01:08:26.000 I mean, there can be windfall in there, but generally you can get on an animal trail and find your way through.

01:08:33.000 But when it's just rocks, that's probably the most sketchy.

01:08:38.000 Just because there's a...

01:08:41.000 I don't know, a thousand pound rock sitting there.

01:08:44.000 It could just be balanced perfectly.

01:08:47.000 You might step on it.

01:08:49.000 There's no guarantee that those rocks are staying there.

01:08:51.000 It falls all the time.

01:08:54.000 With rocks in that type of country, super steep, it's part of it.

01:08:59.000 It's fascinating to me that that is the appeal of sheep hunting to a lot of people, is that it's so incredibly dangerous.

01:09:05.000 That being up in those high peaks and stepping on shale and on these crazy peaks where to the left is just a steep drop-off, to the right is a steep drop-off.

01:09:17.000 You have a very narrow place to navigate.

01:09:20.000 Yeah, it's, you know, sheep hunting, they say it's not the animal that's the most wary, it's just the country that makes it.

01:09:30.000 So, I mean, they're expensive, the hunts, but it's just where they live is the draw.

01:09:40.000 I think with the bow, definitely a tough animal.

01:09:44.000 With a rifle, mostly it's just kind of getting in, if you can get your body within range, you can usually get one done.

01:09:51.000 But it's just where they live.

01:09:52.000 Yeah, when Ben O'Brien and...

01:09:56.000 Green Tree, we're hunting tar.

01:09:59.000 It's a similar thing in New Zealand.

01:10:01.000 They're in these crazy peaks and super dangerous, sketchy territory.

01:10:07.000 It's fascinating to me how people get addicted to incredibly difficult things. 0.99

01:10:11.000 They do it, they say, fuck, I'm never doing this again. 0.99

01:10:14.000 God, this is terrible. 1.00

01:10:15.000 And then they get back and a couple weeks later they're like, shit, I want to go back. 0.99

01:10:20.000 Yeah, it's... 0.95

01:10:21.000 God, I don't know what type of analogy to make, but, you know, if you...

01:10:26.000 When you've done, say, maybe ultras or marathons, it's really hard to get excited for a 5K. You know what I mean?

01:10:34.000 When you do your keep hammer in 5K, how boring is that for you?

01:10:38.000 To me, it's more about the people, then.

01:10:40.000 Right.

01:10:40.000 Yeah, it's not...

01:10:41.000 For me, I'm not... 1.00

01:10:44.000 That stupid race is the reason why I started running. 1.00

01:10:47.000 I couldn't believe how hard it was to do with zero running, folks. 1.00

01:10:52.000 Zero.

01:10:52.000 I ran zero, and then I ran a 5k.

01:10:55.000 At the end of that, I was like, okay, I gotta start running. 1.00

01:10:58.000 Shit. 1.00

01:10:59.000 Yeah, and it feels great now, right? 1.00

01:11:00.000 It does.

01:11:01.000 It does.

01:11:01.000 There's nothing that feels better to me than being able to run.

01:11:05.000 I mean...

01:11:06.000 You know what's crazy is my endurance for kickboxing is way better.

01:11:09.000 Yeah.

01:11:09.000 I mean way better.

01:11:10.000 Way better.

01:11:11.000 Like I could do a hard three minute round no problem.

01:11:15.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:11:15.000 And it's just from running these fucking hills. 0.99

01:11:17.000 It just changes your lung capacity. 0.99

01:11:18.000 Yeah, your lungs just expand and contract and you just...

01:11:22.000 You're just getting more oxygen in there, I guess, huh?

01:11:25.000 Yeah.

01:11:25.000 Well, you've seen those trails that I'm running on, too.

01:11:28.000 They're so steep.

01:11:29.000 So much of it is just pushing, pushing, pushing, pushing.

01:11:32.000 It's like you're sprinting up these hills, and your body's just used to those bursts.

01:11:38.000 And so now, when I go crazy in the heavy bag, and then the belt will go off, and I'm like...

01:11:45.000 Go good.

01:11:46.000 It's crazy.

01:11:47.000 It's amazing.

01:11:49.000 And it does so much for your legs, too.

01:11:51.000 Oh, yeah.

01:11:51.000 People always ask, you know, what I do for legs.

01:11:54.000 And it's like, I just run mountains.

01:11:56.000 I mean, and it's, you know.

01:11:58.000 Yeah, there was a famous kickboxer from Montreal.

01:12:01.000 His name was Jean-Yves Theriot.

01:12:02.000 He was like the most scary kickboxer in the world in the PKA karate days.

01:12:08.000 And all he did was he would run stairs.

01:12:11.000 That was the big workout.

01:12:13.000 He wrote a book on training and what it takes to be a world champion.

01:12:18.000 One of the things that he's saying is you've got to run stairs.

01:12:21.000 He's like, running stairs has been the best thing for his kicking power, for his endurance.

01:12:26.000 I remember thinking that.

01:12:27.000 He was talking about how it just put inches on his thighs and it radically increased his lung capacity and kicking power.

01:12:36.000 Speaking of endurance, I don't know if we were, but I will, but Francis Ngannou, he got gassed out.

01:12:44.000 He did.

01:12:44.000 Well, he tried to take Stipe out in the first round.

01:12:47.000 That was his thought, was that Stipe's not going to be able to survive.

01:12:51.000 When it didn't happen, it's not good. 1.00

01:12:52.000 He's fucked. 0.99

01:12:53.000 And he doesn't know how to wrestle that well. 1.00

01:12:54.000 He doesn't have a long background in martial arts at all. 0.99

01:13:00.000 And Stipe was a very good college wrestler, and obviously a bad motherfucker. 0.99

01:13:05.000 God. 0.99

01:13:05.000 He took some hard shots, too. 0.99

01:13:07.000 He did.

01:13:08.000 You know, that's the thing about Stipe.

01:13:09.000 It's not just that he knows how to fight. 0.97

01:13:13.000 He's just fucking tough. 1.00

01:13:16.000 There's a bunch of shit going on there. 1.00

01:13:17.000 It's experience. 1.00

01:13:18.000 It's just sheer toughness and grit and determination.

01:13:22.000 And he also knows how to ride out bad moments.

01:13:26.000 Like, Francis had never had a bad moment. 0.98

01:13:28.000 He didn't know what the fuck to do. 0.93

01:13:29.000 I think most people, I know you didn't, but I think most people had kind of assumed, oh, Francis is going to win this fight. 0.97

01:13:37.000 I thought it's very possible Francis could win the fight.

01:13:40.000 I thought it was very possible that Francis could just nuke him in the first round.

01:13:43.000 He's just so scary.

01:13:45.000 Yeah.

01:13:45.000 Yeah, just takes one.

01:13:46.000 No, I've never seen anyone in all of my history of watching MMA that's so terrifying with one punch.

01:13:54.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:13:54.000 And he's just punching, too.

01:13:55.000 His kicks are, you know, they're okay.

01:13:58.000 Yeah.

01:13:58.000 But he's not like...

01:14:00.000 You know, he's not Edson Barboza or someone who could put you to sleep with one kick.

01:14:03.000 He's not kicking people.

01:14:05.000 He's just moving towards you, throwing a few kicks, maybe. 0.99

01:14:08.000 But what he's trying to do is hit you with those giant fucking canned hams that he calls fists. 0.99

01:14:14.000 And even when he was so gassed, he could barely do anything. 0.99

01:14:18.000 I was thinking, still one big, tired, heavy arm could do it.

01:14:23.000 Oh, yeah.

01:14:24.000 100%.

01:14:25.000 That guy still has unbelievable potential.

01:14:28.000 If he could get it together, but what he needs to do, and this is critical, He needs to work on his ground game, needs to work on his wrestling, and he needs to be with a real top-flight MMA camp.

01:14:41.000 Yeah.

01:14:42.000 Who trains him now?

01:14:43.000 He trains with the guy who found him.

01:14:45.000 I forget the gentleman's name.

01:14:48.000 But the guy's done an amazing job of building his skills up in five years. 0.99

01:14:53.000 And the thing is, Francis is so goddamn good that most people he spars with, most people he fights with are fucked. 0.96

01:15:02.000 But he runs to the top of the food chain, a guy like Stipe, Stipe can avoid all the dangerous stuff, drag him into deep water, get him diminished, diminish his endurance and his ability, and then overwhelm him, which is what Stipe did. 0.98

01:15:16.000 Yeah.

01:15:18.000 Francis can learn from that.

01:15:20.000 He can learn from that.

01:15:21.000 He can learn from that and he can get better at all those areas that he had problems with.

01:15:25.000 I'm so tired.

01:15:26.000 Yeah, but the endurance is something you can work on.

01:15:29.000 You can work on all those things.

01:15:30.000 I just don't know how...

01:15:31.000 I'm sure he worked hard.

01:15:32.000 I'm absolutely sure.

01:15:33.000 But I don't know how hard he was pushed.

01:15:36.000 So there's a difference between working hard and being pushed.

01:15:39.000 If he's training with a guy like Cain Velasquez, for instance, prime time Cain Velasquez, if Cain's in his prime, Cain's taking him down left and right.

01:15:47.000 He's going to try to have to get up all the time.

01:15:49.000 He's doing rounds with Cain.

01:15:50.000 You're going through hell. 1.00

01:15:51.000 You're going through five minutes of hell, and when that bell goes off to end the five minutes of hell, you're just like, holy shit. 1.00

01:15:58.000 Yeah. 0.97

01:15:58.000 You know, you watch the training camps with Daniel Cormier and Luke Rockhold and Cain Velasquez, some of the footage. 0.97

01:16:05.000 There's a reason why those guys are so goddamn good, because iron sharpens iron.

01:16:10.000 Those guys are in there, world champions, going at it with each other on a daily basis. 0.99

01:16:14.000 And because of that, that's what turned them into those fucking monsters that they are today. 1.00

01:16:21.000 Francis is just a physical freak. 1.00

01:16:24.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:16:24.000 But if he was in that camp, holy shit. 1.00

01:16:28.000 Yeah, that'd be amazing. 0.99

01:16:29.000 It'd be amazing to see what he could do.

01:16:31.000 Yeah.

01:16:32.000 I don't know.

01:16:32.000 The problem is sparring with that guy.

01:16:34.000 Yeah.

01:16:34.000 If Francis spars the way they spar, because DC... Because they go hard, don't they?

01:16:39.000 They go a little hard.

01:16:41.000 Isn't that kind of maybe too hard?

01:16:43.000 That's the argument.

01:16:44.000 There's two arguments.

01:16:45.000 There's one argument that going through that is why they're so successful in world championship fights.

01:16:51.000 That they know what the fire feels like.

01:16:54.000 The other thing is that they get injured a lot.

01:16:59.000 That camp gets injured a lot. 0.99

01:17:03.000 They're so fucking good! 0.99

01:17:04.000 Look who they got! 0.99

01:17:05.000 Habib Nurmagomedov, Luke Rockhold, Daniel Cormier, Kane motherfucking Velasquez. 0.98

01:17:11.000 You can't argue with that. 0.82

01:17:13.000 One camp in San Jose has some of the best fighters that have ever done the sport.

01:17:19.000 Then on top of that, Josh Thompson.

01:17:21.000 They had Josh Koscheck for a while, and he was at the top of his game. 1.00

01:17:24.000 Some fucking killers have come from AKA. So you could look at it two ways. 0.99

01:17:29.000 You could say, one, they're beating each other up too much, or two, that's what you gotta do.

01:17:34.000 That's what you gotta do to be a world champion.

01:17:36.000 Yeah, it's hard to say.

01:17:39.000 I was still, to this day, when Kane was in his prime, I never saw a heavyweight like that before.

01:17:43.000 Ever. 0.99

01:17:44.000 The fucking endurance that guy had was off the charts. 0.99

01:17:46.000 For a big guy. 0.99

01:17:47.000 It's not like nothing.

01:17:48.000 You would see guys just be overwhelmed. 0.99

01:17:50.000 They couldn't imagine how the fuck he could do this. 0.98

01:17:53.000 Like, where's he getting... 0.98

01:17:54.000 And the second round would come around, they'd have this look in their face, and Kane would just be like, like he just woke up.

01:17:59.000 Like, he's not even started to really sweat yet.

01:18:02.000 Yeah, yeah. 0.98

01:18:02.000 And then he beat the shit out of him for the second round, beat the shit out of him for the third. 0.98

01:18:05.000 They would just wilt under the pressure. 0.76

01:18:07.000 Yeah, you see those fights were, I mean, not him, but I mean, even now were...

01:18:13.000 It's just an onslaught.

01:18:15.000 You're just like, man, you feel bad for it.

01:18:17.000 Who was that the other night?

01:18:21.000 Shevchenko?

01:18:22.000 Did you see that fight?

01:18:23.000 Jesus Christ.

01:18:24.000 I was like, can this fight get over?

01:18:26.000 They should have stopped that fight a long time ago.

01:18:29.000 It was brutal.

01:18:30.000 That fight should have been stopped 15 or 20 times.

01:18:33.000 Oh my God, it was brutal.

01:18:35.000 Yeah, Mario Yamasaki said he gave her the opportunity to be a warrior.

01:18:39.000 That's what he said.

01:18:40.000 That was his take on it.

01:18:41.000 Oh, man.

01:18:42.000 She was getting beat up.

01:18:44.000 Not just beat up.

01:18:46.000 Did you see the stats?

01:18:48.000 The actual physical striking stats?

01:18:50.000 The significant strikes...

01:18:52.000 Did she land any?

01:18:53.000 One.

01:18:54.000 Okay.

01:18:54.000 And Valentina...

01:18:55.000 She landed one...

01:18:56.000 I think...

01:18:59.000 It was some unbelievably overwhelming number, like one versus several hundred in the significant strike department.

01:19:08.000 Like, literally, Shemek landed one pretty decent punch.

01:19:11.000 Shevchenko, she looked like a guy up there with the big hard elbows, you know, coming down. 1.00

01:19:16.000 I mean, just like, just power.

01:19:18.000 She looked like a guy. 0.99

01:19:19.000 Sexist much? 1.00

01:19:20.000 Someone's a fucking sexist. 1.00

01:19:22.000 Did you notice that, Jamie? 1.00

01:19:24.000 Jesus.

01:19:25.000 She's a world champion Muay Thai kickboxer. 1.00

01:19:27.000 She looks like a world champion woman, you son of a bitch. 1.00

01:19:31.000 Jeez. 1.00

01:19:32.000 I'm getting read the riot act over here.

01:19:35.000 You've got to be careful these days.

01:19:36.000 People turn on you.

01:19:37.000 I hate that.

01:19:38.000 You know, I hate that.

01:19:40.000 That really irritates me.

01:19:43.000 I think I'm going to...

01:19:45.000 Yeah, why is it wrong to say she looks like a guy?

01:19:47.000 I don't know. 1.00

01:19:48.000 She's a woman, son of a bitch. 1.00

01:19:49.000 That's why. 1.00

01:19:50.000 You don't even get it.

01:19:51.000 I was just talking more about the power.

01:19:53.000 You just don't see women... 1.00

01:19:55.000 Jesus, look at the strikes.

01:19:58.000 95 to 2. Oh.

01:20:00.000 But you just don't see women coming down hard like that?

01:20:04.000 Have you before?

01:20:06.000 Yeah.

01:20:07.000 Kat Zingano.

01:20:08.000 Kat Zingano can do that. 0.84

01:20:09.000 She's a beast. 1.00

01:20:10.000 It's just rare. 0.86

01:20:10.000 Yeah, it's rare. 0.86

01:20:11.000 When they're on that...

01:20:15.000 I just haven't seen it that often.

01:20:44.000 She's an all-around badass fighter. 1.00

01:20:48.000 There was an argument that she won that for the championship.

01:20:52.000 Against Nunes?

01:20:53.000 Yeah.

01:20:53.000 Super close fight.

01:20:54.000 I didn't think it was a bad decision, but I thought it was a very close fight.

01:20:59.000 It's hard for me calling fights because when I'm calling them, I'm just looking at what's happening, I'm trying to talk, but I'm not scoring it.

01:21:09.000 I don't score.

01:21:10.000 If you score, you've got to keep your mouth shut.

01:21:12.000 You should have a piece of paper in front of you.

01:21:15.000 Eddie Bravo used to do it for the UFC. He used to score in between rounds, and he had a great system where he would put a line down the center of a paper, and it would be one opponent on the left side and the other one on the right side, and then he would write down kicks, takedowns,

01:21:31.000 submission attempts, and all that stuff, and then defense.

01:21:34.000 Those are little categories, and they would put check marks next to one.

01:21:38.000 And then he would go over why he thought someone won and what kind of score he gave.

01:21:42.000 He had a very good system.

01:21:43.000 And I think that's the only way to fairly judge a fight. 0.99

01:21:48.000 Unless it's like Valentina Shevchenko's fight, where you just go like, what the fuck? 0.96

01:21:53.000 I gave her like... 0.99

01:21:55.000 10-2.

01:21:56.000 I mean, it was so overwhelming.

01:21:59.000 I mean, a 10-8 round is a disgrace.

01:22:01.000 It's like a 10-6. 1.00

01:22:02.000 If you gave her just a 10-8, you'd be like, who the fuck are you? 1.00

01:22:04.000 What kind of shit judge are you? 1.00

01:22:06.000 Oh my god, that was crazy. 1.00

01:22:07.000 Yeah.

01:22:09.000 It was a bad matchup, because that girl, I believe that was her UFC debut. 1.00

01:22:15.000 So, to have a UFC debut against a woman who's fought for the title against a world-class striker, I mean, literally one of the very best strikers on the planet Earth, male or female.

01:22:28.000 Yeah.

01:22:28.000 And just, it's not fair, you know?

01:22:31.000 That was her first fight at 125, wasn't it?

01:22:33.000 Valentina's, yes.

01:22:34.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:22:35.000 Yeah.

01:22:35.000 Well, Valentina fought Ioanniu and Jacek in Muay Thai.

01:22:39.000 Oh, how'd she do?

01:22:41.000 She beat her. 1.00

01:22:43.000 I think...

01:22:45.000 I think they fought more than once.

01:22:47.000 But I believe Valentina beat her.

01:22:50.000 I hope I'm not wrong.

01:22:52.000 Because I'm wrong a lot.

01:22:53.000 I'm excited for that Rose...

01:22:55.000 Now my Eunice and Joanna and Jacek rematch?

01:22:58.000 Yeah.

01:22:58.000 Well, you know, Rose trains with Valentina.

01:23:00.000 Oh, okay.

01:23:01.000 That's her main sparring partner. 1.00

01:23:02.000 Oh, really?

01:23:02.000 Yeah.

01:23:03.000 Oh.

01:23:03.000 Man, that's a good camp then.

01:23:05.000 Just having those two there to work off each other.

01:23:09.000 Yeah, it's phenomenal for Rose and for Valentina.

01:23:12.000 It's going to be tough for Rose to come now as the champion. 1.00

01:23:16.000 I don't know.

01:23:17.000 It'll be interesting to see if it changes at all.

01:23:22.000 Yeah, it will definitely be interesting.

01:23:24.000 And coming into this fight was fascinating to me.

01:23:27.000 Even though Rose won by first round knockout, she's the underdog. 1.00

01:23:30.000 Yeah, well, I put up that clip of when she was saying the Lord's Prayer there, when you were up there and you were talking about how it was terrifying or something like that.

01:23:41.000 I put up that little clip.

01:23:43.000 That was crazy.

01:23:44.000 She was so in the zone.

01:23:45.000 It's from you guys.

01:23:47.000 On fight night, before the fight, you guys were standing there and they were showing that from the weigh-in.

01:23:53.000 Oh my God, that was classic. 0.99

01:23:55.000 Yeah, she was so in the zone that Joanna was talking shit to her. 1.00

01:23:58.000 I'm going to fuck you up. 1.00

01:24:00.000 I'm going to fuck up your pretty face. 1.00

01:24:02.000 I'm the boogie woman. 1.00

01:24:03.000 She's talking all this crazy shit to her and Rose is just going, Our Father who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name. 0.99

01:24:08.000 Thy kingdom come, thy will be done. 0.99

01:24:09.000 And she was in this zone where you want to put her fist on her nose and she didn't even flinch.

01:24:15.000 That was the only one that I said because they had something up about Fighter of the Year, I think.

01:24:21.000 But that was...

01:24:22.000 I get fired up for all the fights.

01:24:23.000 But that was the only fight that I was standing up because I was watching it at home.

01:24:29.000 And I'm just like, oh my god!

01:24:32.000 Because she was landing those hard punches and it was, I don't know, it's amazing.

01:24:39.000 Yeah, it was amazing.

01:24:40.000 Amazing.

01:24:41.000 A lot of people thought she had a chance by submission because Naomi Eunice is a really good submission artist and she's really fast. 0.99

01:24:47.000 She'll throw up flying arm bars and shit. 1.00

01:24:49.000 She's wild. 1.00

01:24:50.000 She takes crazy chances. 1.00

01:24:52.000 But for her to win by KO like that, it was like, holy shit. 1.00

01:24:56.000 I know it. 0.99

01:24:57.000 I was so pumped.

01:24:58.000 When Daniel Cormier just starts yelling out, Thug Rose!

01:25:01.000 Thug Rose! 1.00

01:25:02.000 That was amazing.

01:25:05.000 That was one of my favorite moments of doing commentary, of just being next to him while he was just yelling that out.

01:25:11.000 Because it was just pure excitement and appreciation and joy.

01:25:15.000 He was just having a good time.

01:25:16.000 Does he know her then, too?

01:25:17.000 I mean, they all know.

01:25:18.000 I don't know each other.

01:25:19.000 Oh.

01:25:19.000 I mean, I don't know how well he knows her.

01:25:21.000 Not training together.

01:25:21.000 No, I don't believe so.

01:25:22.000 Yeah, not the same camp.

01:25:23.000 I mean, maybe she's done some training at AKA. I'm not aware.

01:25:26.000 But she's in Colorado.

01:25:28.000 She's with Trevor Whitman.

01:25:29.000 And her boyfriend, Pat Barry, who's a world-class kickboxer.

01:25:34.000 Yeah.

01:25:34.000 He's a really good MMA fighter as well.

01:25:36.000 I remember him.

01:25:37.000 Fighting in the UFC, he had some wild-ass fights.

01:25:39.000 He's a serious striker. 0.99

01:25:41.000 Pat Barry can fucking crack. 0.99

01:25:43.000 I remember it. 0.99

01:25:44.000 I mean, I thought he was fighting, let's see, who was that?

01:25:48.000 And it's like, I thought he was knocked out, basically, and then landed one big one, or maybe it's the other way around.

01:25:54.000 The other way around, yeah.

01:25:55.000 He was fighting Chet Kongo, and he had Chet Kongo completely out of it.

01:25:59.000 And he just went in for broke, and Chet Kongo caught him with a crazy punch and KO'd him.

01:26:03.000 Yeah, that was it.

01:26:05.000 I remember that fight.

01:26:07.000 That was nuts.

01:26:08.000 But that's just how Pat fights.

01:26:10.000 He's a wild man.

01:26:10.000 He just fights wild.

01:26:12.000 Yeah, I remember he was thick and could punch.

01:26:16.000 Yeah, he's a tank.

01:26:18.000 Ruthless, ruthless leg kicks.

01:26:20.000 He's got some of the best leg kicks I've ever seen in the heavyweight division.

01:26:24.000 Those are...

01:26:25.000 I just heard you talk about it the other day, but those low leg kicks are a new thing nowadays.

01:26:31.000 Yeah.

01:26:32.000 Well, Benson Henderson started doing that a long time ago.

01:26:35.000 He was one of the first guys to introduce it to MMA. But he had some success with it, but not like you're seeing today.

01:26:41.000 You're seeing guys getting debilitated really quickly.

01:26:45.000 It must be a new...

01:26:46.000 So it's a weak spot on humans, I guess.

01:26:50.000 Well, there's a lot of things that...

01:26:53.000 Muay Thai fighters known about forever that MMA fighters are just starting to figure out.

01:26:57.000 Okay.

01:26:58.000 The same as with kickboxing and karate.

01:27:00.000 There's a lot of karate moves that MMA fighters are not good at, but karate guys are. 0.56

01:27:06.000 And karate guys come into MMA like Stephen Tompkins.

01:27:09.000 Thompson.

01:27:10.000 Thompson.

01:27:10.000 Wonderboy.

01:27:11.000 Yeah.

01:27:11.000 Wonderboy Tompkins.

01:27:12.000 Tompkins.

01:27:14.000 Keep saying Tompkins because of Sean Tompkins, but Wonderboy is doing things from a sideways karate stance that a lot of people just don't know how to handle.

01:27:27.000 Wonderboy has these crazy front leg sidekicks and front leg roundhouse kicks.

01:27:31.000 Have you ever watched his fight with Johnny Hendrix?

01:27:34.000 It's one of the best examples. 0.99

01:27:36.000 He hits Johnny Hendrix in the gut with a sidekick, and then Johnny Hendrix is still there, so he roundhouse kicks him in the face with the same leg, and you see Johnny's like, what in the fuck? 0.96

01:27:45.000 Because it's just something like, he didn't see that in training. 0.95

01:27:48.000 You can't simulate that.

01:27:50.000 You have to get a really good karate guy, and most really good karate guys, he's just going to be able to take them down.

01:27:57.000 But, you know...

01:27:59.000 Wonder Boy's just got that style just dialed in and nailed.

01:28:03.000 Yeah.

01:28:03.000 And he moves like a snake from the waist.

01:28:05.000 Like, he moves backwards from the waist. 1.00

01:28:07.000 Like, he gets away from shit and then fires back at you. 0.99

01:28:10.000 He looked good in that last fight. 1.00

01:28:12.000 Yeah.

01:28:12.000 Against Jorge Masvidal?

01:28:13.000 Yeah.

01:28:14.000 Yeah, so that's a different style.

01:28:16.000 And so these techniques, like, he's...

01:28:19.000 Exceptionally good at those karate techniques, and a lot of people aren't.

01:28:24.000 And so with Muay Thai, most of the time when guys were learning Muay Thai and bringing it into MMA, they were doing a few things.

01:28:32.000 They were throwing the leg kicks, they were throwing the knees to the body, the elbows, normal Muay Thai techniques. 0.69

01:28:37.000 But they were missing some of the subtleties.

01:28:39.000 So some of the better Muay Thai fighters started training with some of the better MMA fighters, and then slowly but surely those techniques started leaking in.

01:28:46.000 And then the big one now is that low leg kick.

01:28:50.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:28:51.000 That low leg kick is a motherfucker, man. 1.00

01:28:52.000 It just takes out... 1.00

01:28:53.000 You can't condition your lower leg.

01:28:56.000 That's what I'm saying.

01:28:57.000 It feels like it's a week's...

01:28:58.000 I mean, because I know Michael Chandler, he got caught with that, and that's how he lost the belt.

01:29:04.000 Yeah, it killed the nerves in his leg.

01:29:06.000 Yeah, and it looked like his leg was broke.

01:29:08.000 I mean, his ankle was flopping all around.

01:29:11.000 You'd swear that that leg was broke.

01:29:13.000 And it must have just been those low leg kicks down there, just dead in the nerve.

01:29:17.000 Yeah, it's amazing.

01:29:19.000 It's amazing how many fighters, like Gilbert Melendez, when he fought Jeremy Stevens, Jeremy Stevens cracked him real early in the first round with that low leg kick, and you see it immediately swelling up.

01:29:31.000 And then Gilbert's just falling down on it.

01:29:33.000 He just can't stand up on it.

01:29:35.000 It's crazy.

01:29:36.000 Douglas Lima and Rory McDonald.

01:29:38.000 Rory McDonald in Bellator, right into the same thing.

01:29:42.000 Right into the lower leg. 0.99

01:29:44.000 He had a giant hematoma. 0.99

01:29:45.000 It was fucking huge and swollen. 0.99

01:29:47.000 Yeah, it's a devastating technique. 0.99

01:29:51.000 It's interesting.

01:29:52.000 I just love that.

01:29:53.000 I love when new elements get brought into this very complex sport.

01:29:58.000 Yeah.

01:29:59.000 I mean, that's just been a new one for sure.

01:30:04.000 But this Saturday, are you going to be at the Keep Hammering Run?

01:30:08.000 This Saturday is a Keep Hammering run?

01:30:10.000 Yeah.

01:30:10.000 Where?

01:30:10.000 Salt Lake.

01:30:11.000 I didn't know there was one.

01:30:12.000 No.

01:30:13.000 No, I'm going to be here.

01:30:14.000 No, remember that you went to that show.

01:30:17.000 Yeah, I did go to that show.

01:30:18.000 I went to that show by accident.

01:30:20.000 The Western Hunting Expo. 0.99

01:30:21.000 I was in town skiing, which I fucking hate. 0.99

01:30:23.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:30:24.000 I don't hate skiing, but I'm not a fan.

01:30:27.000 It's just boring.

01:30:28.000 You just dislike it a lot.

01:30:29.000 I just don't get it.

01:30:31.000 Every time I do it, I'm like, maybe this time I'm going to get it.

01:30:33.000 This is going to be the day where I'm going to be in bliss.

01:30:36.000 I'm going to slide down that mountain.

01:30:38.000 People are like, oh, it's because you're not good at it.

01:30:40.000 I did it for five years.

01:30:42.000 I got pretty good at it.

01:30:43.000 I didn't get good at it like I couldn't enter a skiing competition, but I don't fall down anymore.

01:30:48.000 I know how to stop.

01:30:49.000 I know how to ski.

01:30:50.000 I just don't get it.

01:30:52.000 So I was there and then I was like, what?

01:30:54.000 There's a hunting expo? 0.98

01:30:55.000 And I fucking snuck away for a day. 0.98

01:30:57.000 I had a great time with you. 0.99

01:30:58.000 I was like, this is so much better.

01:30:59.000 Yeah, so that's this weekend, that show.

01:31:02.000 And you have a keep hammering run in Utah?

01:31:04.000 Yeah.

01:31:05.000 Where's it at?

01:31:06.000 If it's the same place as last year, it's just right, I mean, we start at the Capitol there in Salt Lake.

01:31:12.000 Capitol building, and then you run a 5K from there.

01:31:15.000 Oh, okay.

01:31:16.000 Yeah, so it's Saturday morning.

01:31:19.000 Should be fun.

01:31:19.000 I'm a big fan of Salt Lake.

01:31:20.000 I love that town.

01:31:21.000 Me too. 0.99

01:31:22.000 It's fucking great. 0.97

01:31:23.000 Yeah, me too. 0.97

01:31:23.000 Nice people, man. 0.97

01:31:24.000 Oh, I know.

01:31:25.000 They're so nice.

01:31:26.000 The best.

01:31:27.000 I mean, I know it's weird.

01:31:28.000 There's a lot of Mormons there.

01:31:29.000 I know people get weirded out by Mormons.

01:31:31.000 They're the nicest people.

01:31:32.000 They're so nice.

01:31:33.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:31:34.000 Like, I don't care what wacky shit you believe, as long as you're nice. 0.99

01:31:38.000 That's it. 0.99

01:31:39.000 Yeah, just be nice.

01:31:40.000 That's it.

01:31:41.000 Yeah.

01:31:42.000 So that's, I'm excited.

01:31:44.000 It's going to be, I think we're hoping to have, God, I want to think, we had a few hundred last year.

01:31:51.000 Really?

01:31:51.000 Yeah.

01:31:51.000 Nice.

01:31:52.000 It's going to be, and then we'll do that Saturday, and then we'll be back in September elk hunting.

01:31:59.000 Ooh.

01:32:00.000 Do you remember that?

01:32:01.000 Remember elk hunting in Utah?

01:32:02.000 I do.

01:32:03.000 We only got to 470,000 views.

01:32:05.000 What?

01:32:05.000 We're going to do a podcast when we get to 500,000.

01:32:08.000 What's it at right now, Jamie?

01:32:10.000 Go to the UA Hunt YouTube page.

01:32:12.000 We might have to cancel this. 1.00

01:32:13.000 Son of a bitch. 0.99

01:32:15.000 Yeah, we were hoping to do a podcast when it hit 500,000, but it petered out. 1.00

01:32:20.000 It did.

01:32:21.000 Petered out at about 471, 270. Ooh, so we got 1,000 today.

01:32:26.000 So we just need a few more days.

01:32:28.000 We're good.

01:32:28.000 By the end of the month.

01:32:30.000 Yeah, close enough.

01:32:31.000 Yeah, we're getting close.

01:32:32.000 We'll hit it by the end of the month.

01:32:34.000 Hey, and then also this weekend, the Secretary of the Interior, Zinke, on Friday is going to announce a big, I think it's a big win for conservationists, and we're going to protect the winter migration routes for deer and elk from development.

01:32:56.000 So that's been a big thing that I told them when I met with them back in Vegas, I don't know when it was, a couple weeks ago, that it feels like We've taken some hits as sportsmen as far as the national monuments being shrunk,

01:33:13.000 you know, and you can argue that both ways.

01:33:16.000 Drilling on the coast, you know, a lot of people don't like the prospects of that.

01:33:21.000 So I'm like, man, we could use a wind and brought up the winter migration routes and protecting those from any development just so those animals can get down and get to the winter range.

01:33:32.000 When food's hard to come by, and so that's going to be announced on Friday that he's going to make that happen.

01:33:39.000 That's awesome.

01:33:39.000 And now you have a position there as well.

01:33:43.000 What is your official position?

01:33:46.000 I'm on the International Wildlife Conservation Council, which doesn't have anything to do with North America, but I'm just kind of using that as an excuse to talk about North America.

01:33:58.000 It doesn't have anything to do with North America?

01:34:00.000 No.

01:34:00.000 What does it have to do with?

01:34:02.000 Well, that's about the trophy export ban from Africa.

01:34:07.000 Oh.

01:34:08.000 So...

01:34:10.000 International hunting, basically.

01:34:13.000 It's weighing in on that.

01:34:16.000 If you go to Australia and you shoot some animals, you can't bring the meat back.

01:34:21.000 Is that different?

01:34:23.000 It's different.

01:34:24.000 That doesn't have anything to do with what's going on right now.

01:34:27.000 It's Africa and with elephants coming back.

01:34:31.000 When you can't bring your trophy back, who's going to want to go shoot?

01:34:35.000 Not just elephants, because elephants are a whole different category.

01:34:38.000 Who's going to go want to shoot A gazelle. 1.00

01:34:41.000 Well, if you can't bring it back.

01:34:43.000 An eland, yeah.

01:34:44.000 I don't know if those are regulated, but it's mostly elephants.

01:34:49.000 And lions.

01:34:51.000 And lions, yeah. 1.00

01:34:52.000 They reversed it, and then Trump said, fuck that. 1.00

01:34:55.000 Trump doesn't like it, which is fascinating because his sons are big hunters. 1.00

01:35:00.000 He called it a horror show.

01:35:02.000 He did, and that's what got my attention.

01:35:04.000 It's because he said that he doesn't see how conservation helps elephants Which, okay, that's one thing.

01:35:10.000 But then he said, or any other animals.

01:35:12.000 And I'm like, wait a second.

01:35:13.000 Okay, you can't, we can't say conservation hunting as a conservation tool doesn't help any other animals, because we've proven here in North America, it's that it's a model that works.

01:35:23.000 So I didn't like how he worded that and lumped that on together.

01:35:26.000 And I'm like, was that I was Was that just a poorly worded tweet?

01:35:30.000 What's going on here?

01:35:32.000 So then he said he was going to look at that ban regarding elephants because, you know, if there's no value on the animals, we know what happens.

01:35:42.000 And if there is no hunting, it's pretty much the death sentence of the animal.

01:35:46.000 Well, we'd probably have to explain that to a lot of people that don't know what we're talking about, but Africa, there's a lot of animals in Africa that were on the verge of extinction just a few decades ago.

01:35:56.000 And what they did was, it's a very controversial thing, especially to people that don't hunt, but what they did was they created a lot of these game preserves where they had these animals and they had a financial interest in keeping these animals alive because people paid a lot of money to come over there and hunt them.

01:36:14.000 So now these animals that were on the verge of extinction just a couple of decades ago are thriving in record numbers.

01:36:20.000 But they get hunted.

01:36:22.000 So for people that are concerned about the welfare of these animals and their wildlife lovers, they're in a weird predicament because it's hunting that's keeping these animals alive.

01:36:34.000 And it seems like a contradiction.

01:36:36.000 Like, how could hunting be conservation?

01:36:39.000 Right.

01:36:39.000 But even in this country, 11% taxes on bullets, on hunting equipment, on all the different things that people buy.

01:36:47.000 And this was a self-imposed tax that sportsmen put on the purchase of these goods so that it would go towards wildlife.

01:36:54.000 And billions of dollars, billions of dollars have gone to preserving wetlands, preserving wildlife habitat, reestablishing populations of animals in all these different areas where they're diminished.

01:37:07.000 Right.

01:37:08.000 It's like the amount of money that has gone towards conservation from hunters versus from PETA or the Humane Society or any other welfare group, it's not even remotely comparable.

01:37:22.000 No.

01:37:22.000 Hunters are making the difference, and we put our money where our mouth is.

01:37:25.000 We say we care about it.

01:37:27.000 We pay for it.

01:37:28.000 We put money there to help conservation and pay for the biologists and pay for the studies and pay for Habitat enhancement.

01:37:36.000 And so that essentially is the same thing that needs to happen in Africa.

01:37:39.000 But it's weird to say, well, how can the United States regulate what happens in Africa?

01:37:44.000 Because we can't, really.

01:37:46.000 But we can say, we're not going to allow the trophies to come home.

01:37:50.000 So that pretty much stops the hunting in Africa.

01:37:53.000 So yeah, we're not saying you can or can't hunt.

01:37:55.000 You can still go do it.

01:37:55.000 You just can't bring them home.

01:37:57.000 Which essentially stops the hunting.

01:37:59.000 Without hunting, those animals don't have value.

01:38:01.000 And no matter how you want to...

01:38:03.000 Slice it or phrase it or whatever you want.

01:38:06.000 If they don't have value, they're not gonna, it's going to be the detriment of the animal of the species.

01:38:12.000 You know, Kenya, they stopped hunting in 1973. And 70% of the animals are gone with no hunting.

01:38:21.000 Yeah, it's very confusing.

01:38:23.000 Because it seems contradictory.

01:38:25.000 It does.

01:38:25.000 And it's like, you know, I talked with Zinke about this also.

01:38:30.000 And so that's what this council is about, to try to make a good decision on how best to regulate the trophies coming home.

01:38:37.000 And maybe we can help promote hunting and how to do it right and what it means as a council.

01:38:45.000 So that's...

01:38:46.000 I'm involved in that.

01:38:48.000 I used that opportunity to talk to him about other things too.

01:38:53.000 So I don't know.

01:38:54.000 I don't know where it's all going to lead.

01:38:56.000 It's a fascinating subject because elephants are endangered in some parts of Africa, but Africa is an enormous place.

01:39:04.000 And in other parts of Africa, they have a problem with elephants.

01:39:08.000 So going to those places and shooting elephants to most people is a horrific offense.

01:39:15.000 But the problem is I don't see the amount of money that someone has to pay to go and shoot an elephant.

01:39:20.000 It's a crazy amount of money.

01:39:22.000 $75,000. 0.99

01:39:23.000 That's a lot of fucking money. 0.99

01:39:24.000 How many people are spending $75,000 to go look at them or help them? 0.99

01:39:28.000 They're not going to.

01:39:29.000 They're not going to.

01:39:30.000 No.

01:39:30.000 And when you say, well, that money could come from photo safaris.

01:39:34.000 No.

01:39:34.000 No one's going to pay $75,000 to take a picture.

01:39:38.000 And for a photo safari, where they have them set up is that they go on pretty much the same route.

01:39:43.000 So the habitat just gets hammered.

01:39:44.000 I mean, you know what a national park here, the most popular places, you know what those look like. 0.99

01:39:51.000 It's a freaking dump. 0.61

01:39:53.000 So when you have those photo safaris that go on the same track, basically you're hammering the habitat. 0.99

01:39:57.000 You're not getting back to the back reaches where the poachers are killing the animals.

01:40:01.000 You know, that's still happening back there.

01:40:03.000 And then to get a pride of lion in to where you can take pictures of it, they're still going out and shooting zebras and impala and different things, buffalo, throwing them out there so the lions are there eating.

01:40:15.000 So there's still animals dying, but there's just the animals aren't benefiting from it.

01:40:19.000 So when you think of like in the bush of Africa, if a farmer there has a crop and there's elephants getting in there thrashing his crop, The elephant has no value to him.

01:40:32.000 What has value is the crop.

01:40:34.000 And if the elephant's in there trampling it, he just wants the elephant dead.

01:40:39.000 He wants it gone. 0.99

01:40:40.000 So he's going to shoot. 0.99

01:40:40.000 It's going to lay there. 0.99

01:40:41.000 It's not going to benefit anybody.

01:40:43.000 But his crop grows.

01:40:44.000 And that's what happens.

01:40:45.000 It's just very hard for people to look at it that way.

01:40:48.000 Because they look at it like, no, I don't want an elephant to die.

01:40:52.000 No, I don't want a lion to die.

01:40:54.000 No, I don't want a zebra to die.

01:40:55.000 No, I don't want a giraffe to die. 1.00

01:40:57.000 But you can go ahead and shoot that other thing, that warthog, that ugly thing. 1.00

01:41:01.000 Nobody gives a fuck about warthogs. 1.00

01:41:02.000 You can shoot warthogs and smile and take a picture. 1.00

01:41:05.000 People are racist. 0.99

01:41:07.000 They're racist against certain animals. 0.94

01:41:09.000 That's a fact.

01:41:10.000 Oh, for sure, for sure.

01:41:11.000 That's a fact.

01:41:12.000 Is it racism?

01:41:13.000 Racism.

01:41:14.000 Race of speciesism.

01:41:15.000 Are you a speciesist?

01:41:16.000 I am.

01:41:17.000 I sent you a video about that.

01:41:18.000 I'm a speciesist.

01:41:19.000 That's a fact.

01:41:21.000 I like people way more than I like goldfish.

01:41:23.000 And with regard to lions, you know, so if lions are coming in and killing the goats or whatever that, say, in Tanzania that they're raising, they're just going to put...

01:41:32.000 They'll be a dead goat. 0.99

01:41:34.000 They'll put poison in it. 0.98

01:41:35.000 The pride will come in, eat it. 1.00

01:41:37.000 They'll go die.

01:41:37.000 Then no more goats are getting killed.

01:41:39.000 Yeah.

01:41:40.000 All those lions are dead.

01:41:41.000 Well, that was one of the things about Zimbabwe, right?

01:41:44.000 Was it Zimbabwe where that guy killed that lion, the Cecil?

01:41:48.000 Yeah.

01:41:48.000 Oh, I think so, yeah.

01:41:50.000 That place, they had to kill a bunch of lions because people stopped lion hunting there.

01:41:56.000 Yeah.

01:42:04.000 So the $50,000 per line that they would have made that would have gone towards all sorts of different things, protection of the habitat, the different conservation officers that work in that area, instead, there's no money,

01:42:19.000 and then they actually have to hire someone to go and do that job.

01:42:23.000 Right.

01:42:24.000 And this is the argument about British Columbia as well, that this is exactly what's going to happen up there.

01:42:29.000 The argument that you're getting from the people that are in the field, that are out there every day, is that what's going to have to happen is you're going to have a bunch of problem bearers, and they're going to have to hire people to go after these problem bears, and it's incredibly expensive and very, very dangerous.

01:42:42.000 Yeah.

01:42:43.000 And bears are still going to die.

01:42:45.000 Yeah.

01:42:45.000 So that's still going to happen.

01:42:46.000 Some of them are still going to die.

01:42:47.000 Yeah.

01:42:48.000 But animals are going to die.

01:42:49.000 You know, I mean, do you get mad when a bear kills an antelope or when a bear kills a giraffe?

01:42:55.000 Right.

01:42:55.000 Well, they don't really.

01:42:56.000 They're not over there.

01:42:57.000 But if they were over here, you know, if a bear kills a moose, are you upset, or are you only upset when a person kills a moose?

01:43:03.000 Yeah, right.

01:43:04.000 And, you know, in Africa, too, so those animals are dying, and when it's hunters that are doing it, numbers are very controlled.

01:43:13.000 The harvest is very controlled.

01:43:14.000 You can take X amount of animals out, and this money will go towards, you know, this enhancement of a waterhole, this Paying for the anti-poaching unit, which when I was over there was $1,000 a day to pay for guys to come in to keep the poachers out of there.

01:43:31.000 Without that money, none of that's happening.

01:43:34.000 So instead of having a very regulated harvest number, the poachers will kill however many.

01:43:41.000 Yeah.

01:43:41.000 And let's be honest about it.

01:43:43.000 The vast majority of the money is going towards whatever lodge or the owners of that area.

01:43:49.000 Yeah, for sure.

01:43:49.000 But they're also hiring people.

01:43:51.000 They are hiring people, but they have a financial incentive to keep these animals alive.

01:43:54.000 It's very problematic for a lot of people.

01:43:57.000 They don't like to hear it.

01:43:58.000 And I've read this article, this ridiculous article that said that that's not true, that trophy hunting is not what sustains these animals, and you can get just as much from a safari.

01:44:08.000 That's not true.

01:44:09.000 What you're saying is not true.

01:44:11.000 The CNN thing handled it pretty well.

01:44:13.000 Did you watch that trophy?

01:44:15.000 What did you think about that? 1.00

01:44:17.000 No, I... A lot of hunters said some stupid shit. 1.00

01:44:20.000 Yeah, I didn't. 1.00

01:44:21.000 God, you know, I mean, we talked about this earlier in the podcast, you know, when people say, oh, you just want to go kill stuff and this and that.

01:44:27.000 I didn't really like when whoever the hunter was, I don't know, probably a nice guy, but he shot a crocodile and he says, yeah, mother effer.

01:44:36.000 I'm like, what is going on there?

01:44:39.000 I've never done anything like that.

01:44:41.000 And that isn't like the honorable hunter that I know.

01:44:46.000 So that seemed a little weird.

01:44:47.000 I don't like crocodiles. 1.00

01:44:49.000 I might say, yeah, motherfucker, if I shot a crocodile. 1.00

01:44:52.000 Crocodiles scare the shit out of me. 1.00

01:44:53.000 They are the one thing that scares me more than pretty much any animal on the planet. 0.94

01:44:58.000 Yeah, I know.

01:44:58.000 I still feel a lot of respect for the animal.

01:45:01.000 I'm joking around mostly.

01:45:02.000 No, I know.

01:45:03.000 I know, but it just seemed like a weird reaction to me.

01:45:06.000 Well, especially knowing that the world is going to see that reaction.

01:45:09.000 Yeah.

01:45:09.000 I mean, if he was just by himself and he said that and that was an honest reaction and he still had respect for the animal and it was just the fact that he pulled it off.

01:45:18.000 Yeah.

01:45:19.000 It's unfortunate.

01:45:19.000 It's unfortunate to broadcast that for the world to see.

01:45:25.000 Yeah.

01:45:25.000 I thought it could have been a lot worse with regard to how hunters were portrayed.

01:45:31.000 You know, I mean, even the guy who killed the lion, he did get emotional.

01:45:36.000 He showed some reverence there, which I liked.

01:45:40.000 It could have been worse.

01:45:42.000 They talked about how its animals are, I guess, a commodity in some respects with the rhinos.

01:45:48.000 You know, I think that guy had 1,500 rhinos, didn't he, on his property?

01:45:52.000 Yeah.

01:45:54.000 You know, so what's better, 1500 rhinos for him to have and raise and cut off the horns or zero?

01:46:00.000 Yeah.

01:46:01.000 You know, it's better to have 1500, right?

01:46:03.000 Yeah, well, it's definitely better for the population of rhinos as a whole, because people don't like the idea of raising something as a commodity, raising wildlife as a commodity.

01:46:12.000 Yeah, I understand that.

01:46:13.000 Did you ever see the Louis Theroux documentary about wildlife in Africa, about those...

01:46:18.000 I forget what it was called, but you can watch it on YouTube.

01:46:22.000 That, to me, was a better piece and one of the most... 0.86

01:46:26.000 Interesting things because Louie is a he's a very smart guy, but he's also a very nice guy Yeah, he just kept asking questions and pestering people and getting to the heart of it But he also showed like these fenced-in lions and they're throwing a dead cow over the top of the fence and the lions are tearing it apart It's fucking crazy.

01:46:43.000 I didn't see it, but it's it's weird because the these Lions they're never wild like they're feeding them and then people go over there and hunt them as if it's like a wild lion Yeah, it's it's super weird I couldn't hunt in a fence.

01:46:58.000 I couldn't hunt a lion in a fence.

01:47:02.000 So, I don't know.

01:47:04.000 Yeah.

01:47:05.000 It's not what we call over here in America fair chase.

01:47:09.000 Right.

01:47:09.000 There's a term.

01:47:10.000 That term fair chase is synonymous with ethical hunters in America.

01:47:14.000 Yeah.

01:47:15.000 And this is something that most people aren't aware of, that there's a code that And the code varies slightly.

01:47:23.000 Like in some places you can use electronic communication, meaning you can use walkie-talkies to locate an animal.

01:47:28.000 Like I believe you can do that in Arizona.

01:47:30.000 You definitely can do that in Nevada.

01:47:32.000 You can't do that in Montana.

01:47:34.000 There's different things of what people decide is fair chase or ethical, and it depends.

01:47:40.000 Like Colorado, they won't even let you use a light on your site, on your bow site.

01:47:44.000 You can't have any electronics.

01:47:46.000 Right.

01:47:47.000 Attached to your site, for whatever reason.

01:47:48.000 They just started allowing lighted NOx.

01:47:51.000 Well, that was just in Oregon, too.

01:47:53.000 They've been out loud in Oregon.

01:47:54.000 I think, I mean, I haven't used them in Oregon, but I think they are legal now.

01:47:58.000 But yeah, I mean, as far as, so you're trying to define what is fair chase.

01:48:03.000 Right.

01:48:03.000 And so, yeah, there's a lot of these electronics, this or that, but what we say is fair chase is not in a high fence.

01:48:09.000 Well, it's definitely not feeding a lion in a cage and then opening up the door right when the hunter pulls up.

01:48:16.000 Do they do that?

01:48:18.000 Oh, yeah.

01:48:18.000 That is what they do.

01:48:20.000 It's one of the reasons why a lot of these lions that get shot, they don't know what the fuck is going on. 0.99

01:48:24.000 They're bedded somewhere. 0.99

01:48:25.000 They just lay down.

01:48:26.000 Because they're outside in this new environment like, where am I? They don't even know what it is.

01:48:30.000 Because they've been living in this very small environment.

01:48:32.000 And they let them out.

01:48:33.000 And they let them out right when the hunter gets there.

01:48:35.000 Yeah.

01:48:37.000 That's tougher to justify.

01:48:39.000 It's very tough to justify.

01:48:40.000 I feel like it's not justifiable.

01:48:44.000 You're not hunting anymore.

01:48:45.000 You're just murdering an animal.

01:48:47.000 It's not murder.

01:48:48.000 Murder is a person.

01:48:49.000 I'm going to not address that part and just address hunting in general.

01:48:55.000 Hunting in general Is what's necessary for the future of animals.

01:49:02.000 I mean, until it gets down to a number where maybe the white or black or whatever rhino that is, that's only down to a handful, obviously you're not going to hunt those.

01:49:13.000 But by and large, hunting is what keeps these animals, the population viable.

01:49:18.000 Well, and then there was also the case of Corey Knowles, who went over there.

01:49:22.000 Dan Knowlton.

01:49:23.000 No.

01:49:24.000 How do you say it?

01:49:25.000 Corey Knowlton.

01:49:26.000 Knowlton?

01:49:27.000 Yep.

01:49:27.000 Is that how you say his name?

01:49:28.000 Yep.

01:49:28.000 Sorry, Corey.

01:49:30.000 Corey Knowlton.

01:49:31.000 We got it.

01:49:31.000 Why did I say Knowles?

01:49:32.000 Because I have too many names in my head.

01:49:34.000 But anyway, when Corey went over there, and Corey's done the podcast as well.

01:49:36.000 Too much paw smoking.

01:49:37.000 You think so?

01:49:38.000 No.

01:49:39.000 But that's what people like to say, right? 1.00

01:49:41.000 Yeah, people like to say a lot of stupid shit. 1.00

01:49:43.000 Let's have a pop quiz, motherfucker. 1.00

01:49:45.000 See who knows more shit. 1.00

01:49:46.000 But when Cory went over there, he spent a quarter of a million dollars to shoot an endangered rhino. 1.00

01:49:53.000 I think it was $350,000, wasn't it?

01:49:56.000 Wasn't that much?

01:49:57.000 It was a lot.

01:49:58.000 A lot of money.

01:49:59.000 Hundreds of thousands of dollars.

01:50:01.000 And he said that it was undervalued.

01:50:03.000 And he said the reason why the bidding didn't get higher was because there was so much pressure on people to do it.

01:50:08.000 But he explained very eloquently and very clearly on CNN and when he did my podcast about all the death threats that he got.

01:50:17.000 Right.

01:50:43.000 So what is the best way to do it?

01:50:45.000 To get a tremendous amount of money that can go for anti-poaching efforts and all these different things.

01:50:50.000 So he explained it.

01:50:51.000 This is an animal that they were going to kill.

01:50:56.000 They had to kill it because it was threatening this endangered population of only a couple of thousand rhinos, right?

01:51:02.000 Right.

01:51:03.000 It's a really interesting situation, and people would like it if that wasn't the case.

01:51:10.000 They would like it if, no, the money is actually coming from animal welfare groups and from wildlife lovers who just want to see these animals alive.

01:51:18.000 The difference is, It's very rare that someone is going to give you $350,000 to keep a rhino alive.

01:51:25.000 And so that's a magnified example, but that's pretty much what's happening with all the animals.

01:51:31.000 I mean, you're not getting that much money, but you're getting money in exchange for their life, basically, and it's for the betterment of the herd.

01:51:37.000 Yeah.

01:51:38.000 I mean, that's hunting.

01:51:39.000 Yeah.

01:51:40.000 Right?

01:51:40.000 I mean, that's like...

01:51:42.000 Like I said, very magnified because you're getting a huge amount of money and there's only a few animals, but it's easy to see, hey, killing this one is going to save animals.

01:51:51.000 So that's really easy to see.

01:51:52.000 But that's pretty much what happens with all animals.

01:51:54.000 I mean, you're balancing that herd.

01:51:56.000 The other thing is they ate that rhino and a lot of people ate that rhino.

01:51:59.000 I mean, they gave that meat away to villages and people don't know.

01:52:03.000 Not only can you eat rhinos, apparently they taste good.

01:52:06.000 Same thing with elephant.

01:52:07.000 Elephant apparently tastes delicious.

01:52:09.000 Well, do you remember in the Trophy movie, they could care less what elephant that guy killed, but they didn't like that it was small.

01:52:18.000 Do you remember that?

01:52:20.000 Because they wanted more meat.

01:52:21.000 They don't care about...

01:52:22.000 They care about eating.

01:52:24.000 That's it.

01:52:25.000 So, I mean, as far as the locals go, I mean, so we...

01:52:30.000 Here in America, it feels like, you know, we take up these causes, and it's like, you know, we're the social justice warriors for the world.

01:52:40.000 It's like, we ought to probably check in with the people that actually live there, right? 0.86

01:52:44.000 Yeah, they want you to kill the lions. 0.97

01:52:46.000 Jesus Christ!

01:52:47.000 There was an article in the New York Times shortly after the lion, Cecil the lion controversy, it said in Zimbabwe, we did not cry for lions.

01:52:57.000 Right.

01:52:57.000 I know I read that one.

01:52:58.000 And that's real life.

01:53:01.000 Over here, everything lives, everybody's friends.

01:53:07.000 Simba is my friend!

01:53:10.000 And no one's saying that lions need to die.

01:53:12.000 No.

01:53:13.000 Look, I'm not in favor of those high-fence things and the way they keep those lions alive.

01:53:18.000 And you would never hunt a lion.

01:53:19.000 You've told me before you wouldn't hunt one.

01:53:21.000 No, no desire.

01:53:22.000 Right.

01:53:23.000 But you understand hunting and how it works and what we need.

01:53:28.000 Yeah.

01:53:29.000 It's just a weird facet of human nature that we've sort of boxed ourselves into this situation with Africa. 1.00

01:53:36.000 But Africa, I think, is a... 1.00

01:53:38.000 You could look to that example and see how this is a very complex issue.

01:53:44.000 Especially, let's take all what Steve Rinella calls the charismatic megafauna out of the equation, like giraffes, which everybody loves.

01:53:52.000 I had a whole bit about giraffes in one of my comedy specials, that they're the one animal that you can't say, Like, is not better off in the zoo.

01:54:03.000 Yeah.

01:54:03.000 Because, like other animals, they look like captive.

01:54:06.000 They look like they're contained.

01:54:08.000 Yeah.

01:54:08.000 But giraffes are so happy, babies feed them.

01:54:11.000 Like, I used to take my kids to the zoo when my daughter was, I don't even think she was two. 0.99

01:54:16.000 She's holding out a piece of lettuce and a fucking giraffe comes up. 0.99

01:54:20.000 Huge head. 1.00

01:54:21.000 Huge!

01:54:21.000 Huge, giant tongue wraps around the lettuce and takes it from her.

01:54:25.000 She's giggling and laughing.

01:54:26.000 Yeah.

01:54:27.000 But they're so confident in giraffe behavior that they let babies feed them. 0.91

01:54:32.000 Yeah, that's impressive.

01:54:33.000 There's not another animal like that in the zoo.

01:54:34.000 No, no.

01:54:35.000 Because animals are, you know, wild animals, you don't know what they're going to do.

01:54:39.000 But what I said was that a giraffe wakes up every day in the zoo and goes, another day with no lions.

01:54:44.000 That's true.

01:54:45.000 And just sort of wanders around the zoo.

01:54:48.000 They look like they're having a blast.

01:54:49.000 Yeah.

01:54:50.000 But they have not a care in the world.

01:54:51.000 They don't mind at all being in that fence.

01:54:53.000 As long as you keep chucking that hay over the side, keep it coming.

01:54:57.000 Keep that hay coming, baby. 0.66

01:54:58.000 Yeah, good to go.

01:55:00.000 But we have connections with certain animals.

01:55:03.000 Elephants are a big one.

01:55:05.000 You know, lions are a big one.

01:55:08.000 Giraffes, for whatever reason, are a big one.

01:55:10.000 Even zebras.

01:55:11.000 People are like, why are you shooting a zebra?

01:55:12.000 It's too much like a horse.

01:55:14.000 Yeah.

01:55:14.000 Like, we have these...

01:55:15.000 But...

01:55:17.000 If it's like an antelope that you eat, like, oh, that kind of makes sense.

01:55:21.000 We have these kind of makes sense animals. 0.99

01:55:23.000 And again, warthogs, nobody gives a fuck about warthogs. 0.99

01:55:26.000 There's no one out there trying to save the warthog. 0.98

01:55:28.000 People don't even know how many there are.

01:55:30.000 They don't care.

01:55:30.000 They can care less.

01:55:31.000 People are worried about lions.

01:55:33.000 No one is out there wondering how many warthogs there are left in Africa. 1.00

01:55:38.000 I see it all the time.

01:55:39.000 It's like people will comment, not hunters, obviously, but they'll be on my page and say, well, I don't have a problem if you kill deer and elk, but there's no reason to kill a bear.

01:55:47.000 What are you talking about?

01:55:49.000 Have you ever had bear sausage? 0.95

01:55:50.000 Well, if you've had bear sausage, and you probably haven't, but if you have, it's goddamn good. 0.94

01:55:57.000 And why is it any different? 0.91

01:56:00.000 It's the same.

01:56:00.000 Why is it any different?

01:56:01.000 Yeah.

01:56:02.000 It's not.

01:56:02.000 Yeah.

01:56:03.000 So it's just what they're ingrained to feel about an animal, I think.

01:56:08.000 Well, they seem too dog-like.

01:56:11.000 Think so?

01:56:12.000 Yeah, that's a thing.

01:56:13.000 That's a thing with people.

01:56:15.000 Bears just seem dog-like.

01:56:16.000 Oh, they're portrayed as being nice and friendly.

01:56:20.000 People have them for pets, too.

01:56:21.000 Like, there's a lot of people that have bears, pets, like a lot of Russian dudes. 1.00

01:56:24.000 A lot of people?

01:56:25.000 Yeah, man, on Instagram.

01:56:26.000 Yeah.

01:56:27.000 Do you have one, Jamie?

01:56:27.000 You can find him.

01:56:28.000 There's this one motherfucker who has a giant grizzly bear that he cuddles with. 0.99

01:56:32.000 People keep sending me videos of this guy. 0.99

01:56:34.000 I'm like, one day.

01:56:35.000 I know.

01:56:35.000 One day this video is going to get dark.

01:56:38.000 God.

01:56:39.000 Yeah.

01:56:39.000 Look at this guy.

01:56:41.000 He's got a sweet bear.

01:56:42.000 He's just chilling with this bear.

01:56:43.000 This bear is my friend.

01:56:45.000 And we hang out.

01:56:46.000 I take him places.

01:56:47.000 And he likes my girlfriend.

01:56:49.000 And I rub his back. 0.65

01:56:50.000 But one day he ate my baby.

01:56:53.000 Yeah.

01:56:53.000 Ugh.

01:56:54.000 Ugh.

01:56:56.000 Yeah, it looks like a cool bear. 0.76

01:56:59.000 It's a dope bear. 0.99

01:57:00.000 Look, they're fucking awesome animals, man. 0.99

01:57:02.000 I love all of them. 0.98

01:57:04.000 But here's the deal.

01:57:06.000 If you had a thousand of those living in your neighborhood, you'd have to thin the herd.

01:57:09.000 You just have to.

01:57:11.000 The reality of all this stuff is super complex, and I just do not think you get an understanding of it from, you know, in front of your laptop in Vancouver.

01:57:21.000 You don't.

01:57:22.000 No, for sure.

01:57:22.000 So what I like is, you know, with regard to, like, this International Wildlife Council or even...

01:57:30.000 It just seems like with this administration, and people say good or bad, or mostly bad, it feels like, and that's one thing that I would read CNN, I'd listen to, it's like the same topic.

01:57:45.000 Two totally different slants.

01:57:46.000 So it's like, what the hell?

01:57:48.000 Who do you believe?

01:57:48.000 So that's why I was happy to be involved so I can actually hear.

01:57:52.000 But still, it's still hard.

01:57:54.000 It's still hard to listen and think, okay, so what's going on?

01:57:58.000 But with my whole thing is like, I kind of look at it as, if I got somebody online giving me advice, Or you give me advice.

01:58:11.000 I'll be like, well, Joe knows me.

01:58:13.000 I'm going to listen to him.

01:58:14.000 That's why I kind of wanted to be involved in these councils and in this part of this decision making. 1.00

01:58:19.000 Because they can listen to all these people talking shit. 1.00

01:58:22.000 All day. 0.99

01:58:23.000 But if I'm there and can actually weigh in, well, then they know me and, you know, it should weigh a little more.

01:58:30.000 They know your experience in this.

01:58:32.000 Right.

01:58:32.000 And so that's why I want to be involved.

01:58:35.000 I'm not saying I'm going to agree and it's going to be exactly what I wanted every time, but...

01:58:41.000 I don't know how else to do it.

01:58:43.000 And I know that with my voice, because they have trust in me about whatever, even if they agree or don't agree, I'll at least get to share my thoughts.

01:58:51.000 And so that's what I did when I talked with Zinky the other day.

01:58:55.000 What is he like?

01:58:57.000 He's an avid hunter, right?

01:58:59.000 Yeah, that's what, you know, and I've read all these, man, you would think he was the worst, just like Trump, you know, people, you'd think they were Satan to some people.

01:59:10.000 But to me, I read the outside magazine article on him, it sounded terrible, and I was like, God, that's not good.

01:59:18.000 I read a few other things about him, I'm like, but to me personally, it seemed, would listen, Seemed like somebody who, if we were sitting there talking about something and we came to a decision and it made sense, that's what he seemed like.

01:59:33.000 Like a normal, you know, well thought out person.

01:59:36.000 Well, I think he's probably got a tremendous amount of pressure on him from a bunch of different angles.

01:59:41.000 Oh, for sure.

01:59:42.000 They're all interested in making money.

01:59:44.000 For sure.

01:59:45.000 And they think of someone that is pro-wildlife as being a roadblock to the money. 1.00

01:59:51.000 Like, oh, this fucking greenhouse-loving, hippie, tree-hugging asshole. 1.00

01:59:58.000 What he told me is he's concerned he wants to increase hunting opportunities and, you know, public land opportunities. 1.00

02:00:11.000 And that's kind of what I want to hear.

02:00:14.000 So, I mean, maybe who you're talking to, I understand that.

02:00:17.000 But it sounds good.

02:00:20.000 I mean, it gave me a better feeling talking to him than reading the other articles, the articles about him.

02:00:27.000 And then his staff, great people.

02:00:31.000 Like I said, just like we'd sit here and talk and it'd make sense.

02:00:34.000 And even talking with Donald Trump Jr., I'd be like, God, I wish we could just do this right now.

02:00:40.000 Because it's like you can actually come to a consensus, make a decision, talk it through, and be like, that's how it should be.

02:00:48.000 And it feels like it's different.

02:00:51.000 Politics are different because everybody, like you said, there's pressure from different places, but When I think of a politician, I think special interest groups and these other people that are influencing them, and you're wondering why is this for their own benefit,

02:01:07.000 and so you don't really know.

02:01:09.000 With this, it doesn't feel like that.

02:01:10.000 It feels like it's trying to make the right decision without being influenced.

02:01:16.000 I know there's always going to be influence, but without the special interest type influence, and I don't know.

02:01:21.000 Well, I think the more people like you that are involved in this, and the more people like you have a say, or at least are...

02:01:27.000 They come to you for advice.

02:01:29.000 You're going to get at least a more balanced perspective of what the potential hazards are, what's important, what we need to concentrate on.

02:01:38.000 You know, I think, regardless of what you think about Trump, what people were excited about, about him as a president, would be that the economy would have an upswing.

02:01:47.000 And it did.

02:01:48.000 But lately, the last couple of days, there's been a massive decline in the stock market.

02:01:53.000 Yeah, it's been...

02:01:54.000 Yesterday, I think, was the biggest loss ever.

02:01:57.000 I don't understand the stock market.

02:01:59.000 I really don't get it. 1.00

02:02:00.000 A bunch of assholes throwing their hands in the air. 1.00

02:02:02.000 There's computers that are doing a lot of the calculations. 1.00

02:02:04.000 I don't know what's going on. 0.91

02:02:06.000 It's too fucking confusing. 0.82

02:02:07.000 I feel like if I just went down that rabbit hole, I'd be stuck studying the stock market for weeks upon weeks, and I just don't have that kind of time, dude. 0.94

02:02:15.000 I've got to play techno hunt with cam hands.

02:02:17.000 Well, and I like reading stuff like, you know, stock market's at an all-time high.

02:02:22.000 Everybody's making money.

02:02:23.000 That's all I heard.

02:02:23.000 Yes!

02:02:24.000 I heard that.

02:02:24.000 Nothing but that.

02:02:25.000 Like, jobs.

02:02:26.000 Like, more jobs than ever.

02:02:29.000 You know, unemployment's at an all-time low.

02:02:31.000 I'm like, well, you know, when you have a guy who is just so hell-bent on making money in business, it's good for business.

02:02:38.000 Yeah.

02:02:38.000 Right?

02:02:38.000 So, like, that would be the benefit of having a guy like that.

02:02:41.000 But then apparently there's some downsides to that shit, and the downsides are inflation and panic. 0.99

02:02:48.000 And then once the stock market starts going south and people start freaking out, then it really goes south. 0.99

02:02:55.000 And now it's really gone south.

02:02:57.000 Well, last couple days.

02:03:00.000 That's all I live in the moment, Cam Haynes. 0.99

02:03:03.000 I'm not here for your fucking rosy view of the future. 0.98

02:03:06.000 Oh, sorry. 0.99

02:03:07.000 I don't even understand the stock market.

02:03:09.000 I don't understand it.

02:03:10.000 I like hearing good news.

02:03:12.000 That's what I like hearing.

02:03:13.000 Yeah.

02:03:14.000 I get comfort in hearing people that I'm not wondering about what their intentions are.

02:03:21.000 So that's why I enjoy the discussions with those guys.

02:03:25.000 I just said it feels like as sportsmen we took a couple of hits.

02:03:31.000 We could use something on the positive side, and I think we're getting that on Friday.

02:03:34.000 So that's great.

02:03:35.000 So on Friday, are they going to make new rules in terms of what you can bring back and what you can't bring back?

02:03:40.000 No, no, no.

02:03:40.000 Is that the idea behind it?

02:03:41.000 No, that's not about the international.

02:03:42.000 This is about the corridors.

02:03:45.000 Oh, the corridors.

02:03:45.000 Right, right, right.

02:03:46.000 So protecting migration routes for the big game animals here.

02:03:52.000 That's phenomenal.

02:03:53.000 Which is important.

02:03:53.000 That's very, very important.

02:03:55.000 Yeah, especially for animals like mule deer whose populations aren't really that good right now.

02:04:00.000 Yeah, elk.

02:04:01.000 Elks still need to be able to get out of the high country, out from where they breed, down when the weather hits, to get down to where the feed is.

02:04:09.000 And if there's a bunch of gas rigs in there, I'm not going to be able to do it.

02:04:13.000 Do you follow Gritty Bowman on Instagram?

02:04:15.000 You do, right?

02:04:16.000 Yeah.

02:04:16.000 Brian was taking all these videos of elk in evergreen.

02:04:20.000 Oh, I know.

02:04:21.000 Because they just wander right through the town, and they're huge.

02:04:24.000 Huge.

02:04:25.000 These are giant bulls that are just hanging out near cars.

02:04:29.000 I know.

02:04:29.000 They have zero fear of people.

02:04:31.000 I know.

02:04:32.000 And they know that once they're in the town, that's like they're on home base.

02:04:35.000 They're safe.

02:04:36.000 It's weird how they know that.

02:04:38.000 Yeah.

02:04:38.000 You know?

02:04:39.000 I know.

02:04:40.000 I did see that.

02:04:41.000 There's some nice animals in there.

02:04:42.000 Crazy!

02:04:43.000 It's beautiful.

02:04:44.000 People pulled over, just checking them out, and they're screaming and rutting.

02:04:47.000 It's just weird that they just migrate right through the town.

02:04:51.000 They probably figured out a long time ago, hey, just keep away from the cars. 0.99

02:04:55.000 Nobody fucks with you. 0.99

02:04:56.000 We're good to go. 0.98

02:04:57.000 But you know, they have weird rules in Evergreen where you can kind of hunt in your backyard.

02:05:01.000 Oh, really?

02:05:02.000 Yeah.

02:05:02.000 I didn't know that.

02:05:03.000 Oh, yeah.

02:05:03.000 Yeah.

02:05:04.000 If you own a certain amount of property, I think it's like more than an acre, you could fucking boom! 0.99

02:05:10.000 Blouch! 0.99

02:05:11.000 Right in your backyard.

02:05:12.000 You got a full freezer then.

02:05:13.000 Yeah, I mean, I think that's exactly why they made those rules.

02:05:16.000 I think it's by section, you know, by unit, depending upon where you're at.

02:05:22.000 But in some places, you literally can hunt in your backyard.

02:05:27.000 I would imagine elk avoid those places.

02:05:30.000 I would think so.

02:05:31.000 They learn pretty quick. 1.00

02:05:31.000 They figure that shit out. 1.00

02:05:32.000 Isn't it interesting? 1.00

02:05:33.000 They learn quick.

02:05:34.000 Well, that's one of the things that they said about reintroduction of wolves into Yellowstone.

02:05:37.000 They figured it out after a while.

02:05:39.000 They're like, okay.

02:05:40.000 In the beginning, they were just sitting ducks.

02:05:43.000 But that was in the 90s.

02:05:45.000 And now we're in 2018. It's essentially the ecosystem has sorted itself out.

02:05:50.000 And there's some good arguments that it's sorted itself out for the better.

02:05:54.000 Yeah.

02:05:55.000 You know, which is, you know, for the betterment of other wildlife, other plant species that the elk were, you know, eating a shitload of.

02:06:03.000 So, it's interesting.

02:06:04.000 But also, you should note that where they brought those wolves back, you can't hunt.

02:06:09.000 Right.

02:06:09.000 Because it's the greater Yellowstone ecosystem.

02:06:12.000 It's like, it's all protected.

02:06:14.000 Right.

02:06:14.000 So, maybe they needed them there.

02:06:16.000 Yeah.

02:06:16.000 It's hard to say.

02:06:17.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:06:18.000 Just don't bring them to Colorado, fuckers. 1.00

02:06:20.000 Don't do it. 1.00

02:06:20.000 There you go. 1.00

02:06:21.000 Don't do it.

02:06:22.000 So what else are you going to discuss with Zinke?

02:06:25.000 How often do you meet?

02:06:27.000 What does this job entail or this position entail?

02:06:30.000 On that council, it says you meet twice a year.

02:06:34.000 So I don't really know when that's going to happen.

02:06:39.000 But for me, and my whole thing is like...

02:06:44.000 If I want to get to know somebody, I like to have them do what I do.

02:06:48.000 Just like you.

02:06:49.000 And so, he says he has a bow.

02:06:52.000 And I'm like...

02:06:53.000 I said, what kind of bow?

02:06:54.000 He told me, what kind of bow?

02:06:55.000 I'm like...

02:06:56.000 What kind of bow?

02:06:56.000 I said, what did he have?

02:06:58.000 It's not a Horton X1. No, it's an old bow.

02:07:02.000 Oh, really?

02:07:03.000 God, I can't even...

02:07:04.000 Like a high country?

02:07:05.000 Something like that.

02:07:06.000 Something like that.

02:07:07.000 But I'm like...

02:07:07.000 So anyway, I said, well...

02:07:09.000 I said, you want to shoot that bow?

02:07:10.000 He's like, yeah.

02:07:11.000 I said, well...

02:07:13.000 Hook him up with Hoyt.

02:07:15.000 They can't take any gifts.

02:07:17.000 They can't take gifts?

02:07:20.000 Because I said that.

02:07:21.000 I said, well, don't worry about that. 1.00

02:07:23.000 I go, just shoot your bow. 0.85

02:07:25.000 I said, how about if I come back to D.C. there and we shoot bows?

02:07:30.000 You can't give him a gift as a friend?

02:07:32.000 I don't know.

02:07:34.000 Maybe from a company would be an issue.

02:07:36.000 It's pretty regulated.

02:07:37.000 Oh, that makes sense.

02:07:38.000 Taking whatever.

02:07:39.000 You can only take bribes.

02:07:41.000 Under the table.

02:07:42.000 You can't take gifts.

02:07:43.000 You can't have an actual bow.

02:07:45.000 Isn't that funny?

02:07:45.000 You can take campaign contributions.

02:07:48.000 Yeah, but not a bow.

02:07:49.000 Yeah, you can't take a bow.

02:07:50.000 You could have lobbyists that are on staff that are trying to get cash and work in those special interest groups.

02:07:55.000 Come on, baby. 0.97

02:07:57.000 Can't take a bow.

02:07:58.000 We talked about next week, me going back there and shooting bows.

02:08:02.000 With him?

02:08:03.000 Yep.

02:08:03.000 And talking just about whatever.

02:08:06.000 Film it.

02:08:07.000 I want to see his form.

02:08:08.000 That's right.

02:08:09.000 So we're trying to make that happen.

02:08:12.000 Like I said, if you have somebody's ear, you just want to be able to tell them what's important to you.

02:08:17.000 And that's all I want to do.

02:08:18.000 But I can do that...

02:08:20.000 Generally better over something I care about like archery or running or lifting weights or whatever like that.

02:08:28.000 So that's my goal just to, you know, share what's what because I feel like I have a pretty good pulse on what's important to sportsmen and hunters here in North America.

02:08:37.000 And so I just want to share that.

02:08:40.000 Well, I know Donald Trump Jr. is an avid archer.

02:08:43.000 Like, he's really into it.

02:08:44.000 He's an avid hunter.

02:08:45.000 He's got a hoit. 0.88

02:08:46.000 Yeah.

02:08:46.000 And you got a chance to talk to him, too.

02:08:49.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:08:50.000 Quite a while.

02:08:51.000 Yeah, he wants to do the podcast.

02:08:53.000 This podcast?

02:08:54.000 Yeah, so he wants, you know, me, you, and him to talk about hunting.

02:08:59.000 Okay.

02:09:01.000 We're in, Don.

02:09:03.000 Think we'll smoke weed first?

02:09:05.000 For sure!

02:09:11.000 Oh, for sure.

02:09:12.000 What's he like?

02:09:13.000 No, total, normal.

02:09:15.000 How's that possible?

02:09:16.000 How's it possible that you grow up with Donald Trump as your dad?

02:09:19.000 You got a golden toilet bowl when you're a little kid.

02:09:21.000 That's what I said.

02:09:22.000 I haven't met any of Donald's kids, except for Don Jr., So I'm like, well...

02:09:31.000 But I follow him on Instagram.

02:09:33.000 You know, you kind of get a...

02:09:33.000 I do too.

02:09:34.000 Kind of a...

02:09:35.000 Sort of a feel for what...

02:09:36.000 I said, man, I go...

02:09:37.000 You know, in talking to you, I said, it seems weird to say, but seem like a normal guy.

02:09:44.000 Which...

02:09:44.000 Your dad's a billionaire.

02:09:46.000 I don't know.

02:09:46.000 Is he a billionaire, right?

02:09:47.000 Oh, yeah.

02:09:48.000 Yeah.

02:09:48.000 So, doesn't that seem...

02:09:50.000 It seems surprising.

02:09:52.000 He's like...

02:09:53.000 Seems like just like we would be.

02:09:55.000 Right.

02:09:55.000 Total normal.

02:09:57.000 I mean, he's...

02:09:59.000 I follow him on Instagram.

02:10:00.000 I see the pictures of his daughter, super cute, the fishing pictures.

02:10:04.000 But I saw him on Tucker Carlson the other night, and I told him this when we were talking in Vegas.

02:10:09.000 And he was just laying it down for a one-minute clip on Instagram, on Tucker Carlson, which was Fox News, and laying it down.

02:10:18.000 And I was like, God...

02:10:19.000 I never really had followed his political or his public speaking type life. 0.98

02:10:24.000 So I was like, holy crap, this guy's pretty dialed in. 0.87

02:10:28.000 It's probably the plan. 0.98

02:10:29.000 He probably takes over when Big Daddy retires.

02:10:31.000 He might.

02:10:32.000 I mean, he's 40, so he's just kind of getting his feet under.

02:10:34.000 Slides right in.

02:10:35.000 In that world.

02:10:36.000 Donald Trump dynasty, just like they did with the Bushes!

02:10:39.000 That's right.

02:10:40.000 No, all of them.

02:10:41.000 Clintons?

02:10:41.000 The Bushes?

02:10:42.000 You know, once you're in there, it's like, that's all they want.

02:10:45.000 Isn't that interesting?

02:10:46.000 It's crazy, but he, I would feel, I mean, man.

02:10:51.000 Well, that's what Dudley told me.

02:10:51.000 He seemed like a good guy.

02:10:52.000 Dudley said he wished that Don Jr. was running for president.

02:10:55.000 Yeah, he said Don Jr. is very reasonable.

02:10:57.000 Oh, man.

02:10:57.000 Totally.

02:10:58.000 Totally.

02:10:58.000 It's funny.

02:10:59.000 If he says one thing wrong, one thing, one slip up of a word, which, by the way, everybody does.

02:11:05.000 I do it every day.

02:11:06.000 Yeah, me too.

02:11:07.000 One slip up of the word.

02:11:09.000 I know.

02:11:09.000 Corey Knowlton.

02:11:11.000 One fuck up like that, and then this dunce. 1.00

02:11:15.000 I know. 1.00

02:11:16.000 It's just magnified. 0.98

02:11:17.000 Ridiculous hate that comes his way and the attacks against him. 0.99

02:11:22.000 And people right now listening to this probably yelling at their folks, because they're fucking justified! 1.00

02:11:26.000 He's a piece of shit! 1.00

02:11:28.000 He's a shill! 1.00

02:11:29.000 He's a this, he's a that! 0.74

02:11:32.000 I mean, it is really hard not to get pissed off.

02:11:36.000 Well, it's really hard to be unbiased.

02:11:39.000 It's really hard to just have a balanced perspective.

02:11:41.000 I don't think anybody does a good job as president.

02:11:44.000 I've never seen a single person do it well.

02:11:46.000 I've seen Obama give very good speeches.

02:11:48.000 I think he's very statesman-like.

02:11:50.000 I think he's very...

02:11:52.000 What Obama did that was excellent was he was very...

02:11:57.000 He's composed and articulate and smooth, and he represented a highly educated, like a high level of human being in terms of his intellect and the way he carries himself, and I think that's good for the country. 0.90

02:12:13.000 But I think, you look at the drone attacks, you look at the attacks on whistleblowers and on the press, and there's a lot of bad shit about the Obama administration that everybody wants to sweep under the rug, because I think nobody's a good president. 0.97

02:12:27.000 Terrible job. 0.98

02:12:28.000 I didn't like how he sort of started a war on cops.

02:12:32.000 You remember when he was, you know, crucifying some of the arrests they had and it started, people were looking at cops thinking, are these the good guys or the bad guys?

02:12:40.000 I didn't like that because...

02:12:53.000 Yeah, 100%.

02:13:04.000 Good police work.

02:13:06.000 He's highlighting the military.

02:13:08.000 He's, you know, pride in the good old United States of America.

02:13:12.000 I like that.

02:13:13.000 So, I mean, I don't know.

02:13:16.000 Yeah, well, the thing that drove me the most nuts about Obama was that crazy speech that he said, If you have a business...

02:13:23.000 That business uses the highway?

02:13:24.000 You didn't build that.

02:13:25.000 Yeah, you didn't build that?

02:13:26.000 You didn't build that business?

02:13:27.000 Oh.

02:13:27.000 You didn't build that?

02:13:28.000 That pissed me off.

02:13:30.000 That is the craziest way to look at things.

02:13:32.000 Yeah.

02:13:33.000 If I was his friend, I would have said, okay...

02:13:36.000 This is not the way to say this.

02:13:38.000 No, what he did, I think, he started, like, highlighted the victim mentality.

02:13:42.000 Everybody's a victim.

02:13:43.000 Whereas, I like Trump, he says, you're in control, here's your opportunity, make the most of it.

02:13:50.000 It seems like a different approach.

02:13:50.000 I would have just phrased it very differently.

02:13:52.000 I would have said, if you have a business and you started it yourself, congratulations.

02:13:56.000 This is what American ingenuity is all about.

02:13:58.000 But we all have to be aware.

02:14:00.000 Not just you, not signaling that person to say, you didn't know that!

02:14:03.000 You didn't do it!

02:14:04.000 I would say we all have to be aware that without our infrastructure, none of us would be able to do it.

02:14:09.000 So we all have to support this beautiful system that we have.

02:14:12.000 So in an empowering way, instead of, you didn't do it!

02:14:15.000 You didn't build it!

02:14:16.000 You didn't do it!

02:14:17.000 Taking credit away from people who work their ass off.

02:14:20.000 And by the way, He's a guy who's never been in business.

02:14:24.000 He's a lawyer.

02:14:25.000 He went from being a lawyer to being a professional politician to being the president.

02:14:29.000 Bam, bam, bam.

02:14:31.000 That's one thing I don't like is people who are like, their goal is to be a politician.

02:14:36.000 I don't like that.

02:14:38.000 I'd like it if they were awesome at it, but no one's awesome at it.

02:14:41.000 I like, it seems like the best, like even back in, you know, when our country was founded, those weren't politicians.

02:14:47.000 Those were guys who had influence, who made good decisions, and then they were politicians.

02:14:52.000 You know what I mean?

02:14:54.000 I've been watching Vikings a lot lately.

02:14:56.000 It's a new show I've been watching.

02:14:58.000 Okay.

02:14:58.000 And it seems like there's no good leaders.

02:15:01.000 Yeah.

02:15:02.000 Even in the Viking world, there was bad leaders. 1.00

02:15:04.000 This leaders suck. 1.00

02:15:05.000 Nobody wants a goddamn leader. 1.00

02:15:07.000 And when you're a leader of 350 million people or whatever the hell we have here... 0.99

02:15:11.000 Yeah, it's tough.

02:15:12.000 It's just impossible.

02:15:14.000 It doesn't make any sense.

02:15:15.000 What's going on, Jamie?

02:15:16.000 I just looked up that quote.

02:15:17.000 It got taken out of context.

02:15:18.000 Uncut and unedited.

02:15:20.000 But he said it.

02:15:21.000 He said those two sentences, but not in that way.

02:15:24.000 Oh, if you got a business, you didn't build that.

02:15:26.000 Hey, you know what that is?

02:15:27.000 Somebody else made that happen.

02:15:28.000 Fake news.

02:15:29.000 Okay, so what is the actual quote?

02:15:32.000 Let's hear the real quote.

02:15:36.000 If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help.

02:15:40.000 There was a great teacher.

02:15:41.000 Okay, but if you've got a business, you didn't build that.

02:15:44.000 Okay, somebody invested in roads and bridges.

02:15:47.000 Okay, here it is.

02:15:48.000 Somebody helped create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive.

02:15:56.000 Somebody invested in the roads and bridges.

02:15:59.000 If you got a business, you didn't build that. 0.99

02:16:01.000 That's just a shit way to say it. 0.99

02:16:03.000 It is. 0.99

02:16:04.000 I don't care, even in context.

02:16:06.000 Somebody else made that happen.

02:16:07.000 Not somebody else.

02:16:09.000 We all chipped in.

02:16:10.000 We!

02:16:11.000 That's what he's saying, I think. 0.99

02:16:13.000 I know that's what he's saying, but it's a shit way to say it. 1.00

02:16:15.000 It's a shit, disempowering way to say it. 1.00

02:16:18.000 It is. 1.00

02:16:18.000 That's what I don't like. 1.00

02:16:19.000 It takes credit away from the people.

02:16:21.000 I don't like that.

02:16:21.000 There's a way to do that.

02:16:22.000 There's a way to phrase that.

02:16:23.000 That needs an edit and a rewrite. 0.97

02:16:25.000 And by the way, how the fuck could he even have time to do that when you're writing under the pressure of being the President of the United States? 0.91

02:16:33.000 I totally sympathize. 0.99

02:16:34.000 I get it.

02:16:36.000 I'm not saying I would have done better.

02:16:37.000 I would have done way worse. 0.99

02:16:38.000 But it still sucks. 0.98

02:16:39.000 Yeah. 0.97

02:16:40.000 It's just not a good way to say things.

02:16:42.000 I agree.

02:16:42.000 You didn't build it.

02:16:43.000 No.

02:16:43.000 You didn't do that.

02:16:45.000 You said disempowering, and that's exactly right. 0.98

02:16:48.000 And so it feels like there's a different tone right now.

02:16:53.000 And I'm not saying our president is perfect.

02:16:56.000 Just say it, white people. 0.79

02:16:57.000 You like white people. 0.86

02:16:58.000 I'm not saying that at all.

02:16:59.000 I get it, dude.

02:17:01.000 But I'm just saying, nobody's perfect, but I like that part of the message.

02:17:05.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:17:06.000 Well, he definitely has that part of the message, but he's obviously said a bunch of stupid shit, too. 1.00

02:17:10.000 But he's also a guy who flies off the cuff. 1.00

02:17:12.000 I mean, we have to take into consideration what this guy was his entire career.

02:17:17.000 He's a giant, larger-than-life personality with crazy hair who puts his name on everything, and then he ran for president.

02:17:25.000 Yeah.

02:17:25.000 Of course he's going to stay that guy when he becomes president.

02:17:29.000 We go, no, no, no.

02:17:29.000 Now that you're president, it's like if you're playing Beauty and the Beast and you're the beast, you've got to act like the beast.

02:17:37.000 Now you've got the role, you've got to act like the beast.

02:17:39.000 Why are you still acting like Hugh Grant?

02:17:41.000 You can't.

02:17:42.000 I know.

02:17:43.000 The role of being the president is this majestic top of the mountain that we look at.

02:17:50.000 Like, oh, he's the guy.

02:17:52.000 He's the main dude.

02:17:54.000 You're supposed to act like the president.

02:17:56.000 That's what they say.

02:17:56.000 He's not presidential.

02:17:58.000 It's like he never has been.

02:17:59.000 But you know what?

02:18:00.000 He's been a leader.

02:18:02.000 So here's what I know. 0.99

02:18:04.000 I don't see ISIS over here bombing the shit out of the United States anymore. 1.00

02:18:09.000 Because they're all dead. 0.99

02:18:12.000 Well, there's a lot of that, but they were never bombing the shit out of the United States anyway. 0.99

02:18:15.000 They're trying to. 1.00

02:18:15.000 There's a few dummies that snuck over here and did some stupid shit. 1.00

02:18:18.000 They're not here. 1.00

02:18:19.000 Horrible shit. 1.00

02:18:20.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:18:20.000 Look, the one thing that the military has said, and friends of mine that are in the military, and guys like Tim Kennedy that rejoined, he said that they feel like... 1.00

02:18:42.000 Right.

02:18:44.000 Right.

02:18:54.000 There's a debate back...

02:18:56.000 This is, again, like a lot of other things.

02:18:58.000 This is a very complex, nuanced conversation that you'd have to have all the facts at your disposal.

02:19:03.000 I don't.

02:19:04.000 No, either do I. But I can say they're not bombing the shit out of the United States. 0.98

02:19:07.000 They sound like a complete redneck. 0.99

02:19:09.000 Right.

02:19:10.000 And that's how I see it.

02:19:11.000 But I understand there is...

02:19:13.000 Well, you need a strong military because the world has some dark places. 0.68

02:19:16.000 And anybody who doesn't think that you need a strong military, you need to pay attention to what the fuck is going on in Syria, in North Korea, in a lot of parts of the world where there is chaos.

02:19:27.000 And this is an entirely real possibility anywhere.

02:19:32.000 Anywhere that exists, it can exist here.

02:19:35.000 If you see horrible tyranny and destruction and chaos in other parts of the world, the only reason why it's not here is because of geography.

02:19:43.000 If they can get there, they can get here. 0.98

02:19:45.000 If things can go sideways in Iran or in Iraq or wherever the fuck it is, they can go sideways in America, too. 1.00

02:19:52.000 And if you don't think that we need military, you're goddamn crazy. 0.99

02:19:56.000 I would love it if we didn't. 0.98

02:19:58.000 I would love it if we lived in this utopian world where everybody treats people the way you or I would.

02:20:02.000 Where you don't have to worry about.

02:20:03.000 If you and I were neighbors, I would never worry about you invading me. 0.99

02:20:06.000 I'd be like, oh, Cam's never gonna bring a gun over and fucking take over my house. 0.88

02:20:10.000 He's a nice guy. 0.97

02:20:11.000 If the world was like that, it would be wonderful.

02:20:14.000 It would be wonderful.

02:20:15.000 But right now, it's not currently like that.

02:20:17.000 And people that I know, like Tim Kennedy, a guy who's been there, a guy who's done that, a guy like Jocko Willink, a guy who's been there, those are the guys that I turn to When I want to know what's going on over there, I want to get a real perspective.

02:20:33.000 You want to get a real perspective for someone who's been in active duty in a combat situation, who's been to these horrific parts of the world.

02:20:42.000 They can tell you what's going on.

02:20:44.000 And when they tell you that it's a better situation, that the military has the handcuffs off, I listen to them.

02:20:50.000 That's a good sign.

02:20:52.000 I talked to Tim at SHOT Show about going back in and he said that same thing.

02:20:59.000 I don't know.

02:21:01.000 It feels better that we're not having terrorist issues over here anymore.

02:21:08.000 Yeah, I mean, I really wish that everyone would come back home.

02:21:10.000 I really wish that no one was in Afghanistan. 1.00

02:21:12.000 I really wish that we weren't the police people for the world. 0.99

02:21:14.000 I really wish that we're not sending young people to die in foreign wars that don't make any sense to you or I or anybody that really knows what the fuck is going on there. 0.98

02:21:23.000 But this is the world we live in right now. 0.98

02:21:25.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:21:26.000 We manage it the best we can.

02:21:27.000 Yeah.

02:21:28.000 Protect us.

02:21:28.000 Protect people here.

02:21:30.000 Yeah.

02:21:30.000 And hopefully protect people there, too.

02:21:32.000 Yeah.

02:21:33.000 You know, it's just...

02:21:34.000 No, that's why you got to respect the people that are over there doing that.

02:21:37.000 And, you know, it's just like, you know, what a sacrifice, you know?

02:21:43.000 And it's, I want to never take it for granted that there are, you know, we're safe here, things are going on, but just what's the sacrifices made by people in the military, it's, I never want to forget it.

02:21:56.000 Yeah, it is a very controversial subject with people because if you're on the left, you want less military, you want less war, you want less violence, you want less everything, and that's a totally reasonable position.

02:22:11.000 But I think in a lot of ways it's like wildlife.

02:22:14.000 Like you're talking about it as someone who's never experienced it.

02:22:18.000 And I think once you experience it and once you've been to these parts of the world, at least my perspective based on the descriptions that I've gotten from people that have been there, that it's way more complex. 0.99

02:22:30.000 There are just parts of the world that are fucked. 0.98

02:22:33.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:22:33.000 No. 0.99

02:22:34.000 Yeah.

02:22:35.000 It's not black and white, that's for sure.

02:22:36.000 And I think it's going to take many, many generations for those parts of the world to become a better place for people to live in and sort of catch up to what we think of as civilization in the Western world.

02:22:49.000 Yeah.

02:22:50.000 Yeah.

02:22:50.000 I mean, you're looking at parts of the Middle East where women in Iran are risking their lives and their safety by not wearing a religious outfit.

02:22:58.000 There's all these protests where these women are on the streets not wearing the hijab and they're walking around and they risk being imprisoned. 0.99

02:23:06.000 This is fucking crazy. 0.99

02:23:08.000 I know. 0.99

02:23:08.000 And these women are brave as hell, man. 0.99

02:23:11.000 And they're out there just saying, fuck this. 1.00

02:23:13.000 Enough already. 1.00

02:23:13.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:23:14.000 And they're taking pictures like that.

02:23:16.000 And they're putting it up on social media.

02:23:18.000 And, you know, there's a big revolt there right now.

02:23:22.000 Mm-hmm.

02:23:22.000 People are just tired of it.

02:23:24.000 They want fucking freedom. 0.99

02:23:25.000 They see what's going on in the rest of the world, they have the internet. 0.99

02:23:29.000 They get a chance to see what's going on in America.

02:23:32.000 That's one of the things that we always have to remember about America. 0.99

02:23:35.000 Yeah, America might be fucked in some ways. 0.99

02:23:38.000 We definitely have issues. 0.99

02:23:41.000 There is more opportunity and more possibility for you to do what you want to do here than almost anywhere on the planet Earth.

02:23:49.000 That's a fact.

02:23:50.000 Yeah.

02:23:51.000 That's a fact.

02:23:51.000 And there's more art that comes out of here, and there's more comedy that comes out of here.

02:23:56.000 There's so much more movies. 0.97

02:24:00.000 There's a lot of great shit that comes out of this one spot. 0.99

02:24:03.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:24:04.000 It's a great place to...

02:24:05.000 I mean, we're blessed to live here and have...

02:24:08.000 We've only known this, you know?

02:24:10.000 Yeah.

02:24:10.000 And I couldn't imagine living someplace where it wouldn't matter how smart or how hard of a worker you are or how...

02:24:17.000 You know, whatever talented you were, you weren't getting out of there.

02:24:21.000 Right.

02:24:22.000 And that's how it is in some places.

02:24:23.000 Yeah.

02:24:23.000 And so, you know, in here, it's not like that.

02:24:26.000 And, man, I just hope we never...

02:24:30.000 Never need to forget that.

02:24:31.000 I never want to forget that.

02:24:33.000 And I just hope other people just realize that because it's not like I've been everywhere, but I know that the challenges like the women have that you were talking about, it's like, I couldn't imagine that.

02:24:45.000 Yeah, look, one of the reasons why I'm pro-America is because I'm pro-human being.

02:24:50.000 And I think there's more chances for people to be who they really want to be and become what they really want to be here.

02:24:57.000 You know, and I support a lot of left-wing ideas.

02:25:02.000 Equality and freedom and gay marriage. 0.99

02:25:05.000 I think you should be able to do whatever the fuck you want to do. 0.98

02:25:08.000 I mean, go have fun. 0.99

02:25:09.000 Just be nice.

02:25:10.000 Just be you.

02:25:12.000 Just go be you. 0.99

02:25:13.000 So when, you know, people see me and they see this giant American flag behind me, and they think immediately, oh, right-wing, oh, fucking conservative, alt-right, or whatever this is. 0.98

02:25:25.000 What is this? 0.97

02:25:26.000 Yeah.

02:25:27.000 What do you support?

02:25:27.000 Imperialism?

02:25:28.000 You support this?

02:25:29.000 No, I support the idea of what America is.

02:25:33.000 Yeah.

02:25:33.000 That's what I support.

02:25:34.000 Yeah.

02:25:35.000 Yeah, me too. 1.00

02:25:36.000 Fuck yeah! 1.00

02:25:38.000 Woo! 1.00

02:25:41.000 So, El Cunning, September.

02:25:44.000 Are we back?

02:25:45.000 Same spot?

02:25:45.000 Going to the Deseret?

02:25:46.000 Is that locked in?

02:25:48.000 Hell yeah.

02:25:49.000 That was crazy.

02:25:50.000 Yeah.

02:25:51.000 That's a beautiful place.

02:25:52.000 No, I know.

02:25:53.000 That was one of the most fun times I've ever had.

02:25:55.000 Yeah.

02:25:55.000 Well, we're going to do it again.

02:25:57.000 I'm excited.

02:25:58.000 Me too.

02:25:59.000 470,000 views.

02:26:01.000 That video was a lot of fun to make too, man.

02:26:04.000 I just wish that they had put in the elk that you shot.

02:26:07.000 Yeah.

02:26:07.000 Your elk, you did wind up shooting an elk, but did the video that did not get the actual arrow hitting the elk on camera, is that what the issue was?

02:26:17.000 It's tough.

02:26:18.000 You know, bow hunting is hard.

02:26:20.000 Bow hunting on film is even harder.

02:26:23.000 And so it's, you know, we do the best we can to tell the story.

02:26:29.000 I don't think it does tell the story very well.

02:26:31.000 No, but we do the best we can.

02:26:32.000 It is hard.

02:26:33.000 I think it should be a lot longer.

02:26:35.000 That's what I think.

02:26:36.000 I think that thing should have been at least an hour.

02:26:39.000 And I think even then it wouldn't have told the whole story.

02:26:42.000 Because you look at it like...

02:26:43.000 It's one of the things that I told a friend when we were watching a hunting show before.

02:26:48.000 They're like, wow, it looks so easy.

02:26:49.000 They just go out there and they always shoot something.

02:26:51.000 I'm like, man, to shoot one of these shows...

02:26:53.000 We were watching Meat Eater.

02:26:55.000 First of all, Meat Eater is one of the rare shows that they'll have a lot of shows where they're not successful.

02:27:00.000 Yeah.

02:27:00.000 Like, I've done two different shows with them who weren't successful.

02:27:04.000 Yeah.

02:27:04.000 We just go out there seven days.

02:27:06.000 Well, that's most hunting.

02:27:07.000 Most hunting, yeah.

02:27:08.000 So when you boil all that down to 22 minutes with commercials, it just looks like inevitably you're going to get to about 18 minutes in, someone's going to shoot something.

02:27:17.000 Yay, they got it.

02:27:18.000 It seems like they're shooting things that are definitely going to be there.

02:27:22.000 But that's not the case.

02:27:24.000 No.

02:27:24.000 No, there's no guarantee, especially with the bow.

02:27:27.000 Yes, especially with the bow.

02:27:28.000 And I think, well, I mean, we can film on ourselves.

02:27:31.000 We can film on ourselves and make it as long as we want.

02:27:34.000 That's what I think we should do.

02:27:35.000 I've been thinking about that a lot because I was frustrated by that whole thing and this archaic idea that everything has to be 10 minutes long.

02:27:41.000 You're talking to a guy who does a three-hour podcast.

02:27:44.000 We've been talking for quite a while today.

02:27:46.000 And millions of people listen to this.

02:27:47.000 So I just don't buy it.

02:27:49.000 I think it's an archaic...

02:27:51.000 Antiquated way of looking at things.

02:27:53.000 I don't think it's right.

02:27:54.000 And I think this idea that people have an incredibly short attention span.

02:27:58.000 Listen, people are consumers of entertainment.

02:28:01.000 And especially people who love hunting.

02:28:04.000 I watch a lot of videos.

02:28:06.000 I watch a lot of hunting videos.

02:28:08.000 I watch a lot of videos on science. 1.00

02:28:11.000 I watch a lot of shit. 1.00

02:28:12.000 I watch hours and hours of stuff. 1.00

02:28:13.000 Things that I'm interested in.

02:28:15.000 The people that are interested in elk hunting, they don't want to just see a couple guys laughing and joking around that an arrow hits a big bull and everybody's happy.

02:28:23.000 No, they want to see what happened.

02:28:25.000 What was the struggle?

02:28:26.000 There was a lot of struggle.

02:28:27.000 We had to keep hammering.

02:28:29.000 We did have to keep hammering.

02:28:30.000 That was fun.

02:28:31.000 That one clip was hilarious.

02:28:34.000 By the way, folks, if you're watching this, if you watch that clip of Cam and I, that was not rehearsed.

02:28:39.000 That just came out of nowhere. 0.97

02:28:41.000 We were just fucking around. 0.95

02:28:42.000 Keep Hammering has been around a little while. 0.96

02:28:44.000 It's been around a long time.

02:28:46.000 They thought that was the origins of it.

02:28:48.000 That's because that's how good we sold it.

02:28:50.000 Yeah.

02:28:51.000 Wow.

02:28:51.000 That's how good we sold that thing.

02:28:54.000 Well, that's your sense of humor that I think most people are not aware of.

02:28:58.000 That's what you say.

02:28:59.000 You have a very funny, dry sense of humor.

02:29:03.000 That was fun.

02:29:05.000 It was a lot of fun.

02:29:07.000 So who's coming this time?

02:29:08.000 Is Adam Greentree going to come down?

02:29:11.000 To Utah?

02:29:12.000 Yes.

02:29:12.000 Oh, I don't know.

02:29:13.000 This is, listen, Under Armour, get your shit together. 1.00

02:29:15.000 This is what we need. 1.00

02:29:16.000 Remy Warren, Adam Greentree, John Dudley, Cam Haynes, me, Ben O'Brien.

02:29:22.000 Make it happen.

02:29:23.000 Sell it!

02:29:25.000 Wrap it up!

02:29:26.000 Make a video, an hour long.

02:29:28.000 How about just, Under Armour, let me film it.

02:29:30.000 Just let me handle this. 1.00

02:29:32.000 You guys don't know what the fuck you're doing. 1.00

02:29:34.000 Ten minutes. 1.00

02:29:36.000 I know.

02:29:36.000 I think we can...

02:29:37.000 I just want to...

02:29:38.000 Man, I've always wanted to just share a hunting adventure.

02:29:45.000 The real hunting adventure.

02:29:46.000 Give it the content, the time to develop the story.

02:29:53.000 Just let it evolve, you know?

02:29:56.000 Do you watch those hushing guys on YouTube? 0.56

02:29:58.000 No.

02:29:59.000 Great videos.

02:30:00.000 Are they good?

02:30:01.000 Yeah, and they got a lot of content.

02:30:03.000 And one of the things that you really get out of their content is you really get a sense of how difficult it is.

02:30:09.000 And mostly what they're doing is public land hunting.

02:30:11.000 Oh, born and raised?

02:30:12.000 That's another group of guys.

02:30:13.000 Yeah, I watch that.

02:30:15.000 I watch those guys too.

02:30:16.000 Yeah.

02:30:17.000 But one of the beautiful things about YouTube is there's no time parameters.

02:30:20.000 Right, yeah.

02:30:21.000 And people, yeah, I mean, we are just kind of locked into this 22 minutes with commercials type thing from the Outdoor Channel.

02:30:28.000 And it doesn't need to be like, I was talking with Branlon Shockey about this, and he is so talented as far as a filmmaker goes.

02:30:39.000 And even in Womack, who put together our Utah.

02:30:42.000 I mean, without the handcuffs of a time restraint, I just think the sky's the limit.

02:30:47.000 I agree too.

02:30:48.000 I think the story should be what the story is.

02:30:51.000 And just say, just make it what it is. 0.98

02:30:54.000 I don't give a fuck if it's 40 minutes or an hour and 40 minutes. 0.97

02:30:57.000 People will watch it. 0.99

02:30:58.000 People will watch it.

02:30:59.000 And the ones who don't, they weren't going to watch it anyway.

02:31:03.000 The idea that you get it in 10 minutes and somehow or another it's more digestible in 10 minutes, like, stop!

02:31:10.000 That's not real.

02:31:12.000 People have these weird ideas in their head about things.

02:31:16.000 Like, oh, but the statistics show that more people watch 10-minute videos. 1.00

02:31:19.000 Well, if you want to watch videos about babies chewing bubblegum or some stupid shit like that, yeah. 0.99

02:31:25.000 Yeah, the 10 minutes. 0.99

02:31:26.000 But you're supposed to be showing respect to what is one of the more difficult and misunderstood pursuits in the United States, and that's bow hunting.

02:31:37.000 It's incredibly difficult and incredibly misunderstood.

02:31:41.000 And I think it's a noble pursuit, and I think it's also one of the more intriguing things and more interesting things I've ever done in my life.

02:31:51.000 Well, I know, and I don't know if you could capture it all in one film, but I just know that, you know, if somehow we could capture just more of the journey, because there's people that don't know anything about it, just, like, want to know how to get started.

02:32:04.000 I don't know if you could have one film that would do all that, but I just know that there's people hungry for knowledge out there that we're reaching, even with this podcast or with social media, that haven't been ingrained.

02:32:14.000 So, it's like we're making these films To people who are already hunters, who already know everything.

02:32:20.000 And so to them, oh, we've got to do this in a short period of time, otherwise you're going to get bored because they've done this a million times themselves. 0.99

02:32:26.000 That's bullshit. 0.99

02:32:27.000 No, we need to make it for the masses. 1.00

02:32:31.000 Exactly.

02:32:31.000 Because that's who we're reaching now.

02:32:32.000 I mean, it's the millions and millions and millions.

02:32:35.000 We're reaching more people than actually buy hunting licenses.

02:32:37.000 So we need to remember that.

02:32:41.000 Yeah, and the idea that you're even reaching hunters, that they're going to get bored after 10 minutes.

02:32:46.000 That's crazy.

02:32:47.000 No, yeah, because I'm like you.

02:32:49.000 I watch all sorts of hunting stuff.

02:32:51.000 Especially you and me. 0.99

02:32:52.000 We're entertaining as fuck. 1.00

02:32:55.000 Let it roll! 1.00

02:32:56.000 Yeah, like the, what were we saying?

02:32:59.000 Oh, yeah, with the chicken tied to the dog neck.

02:33:03.000 Yeah.

02:33:07.000 It was one of the funniest things Cam's ever said.

02:33:09.000 He was talking about this guy, his dog, my dogs killed a few chickens. 0.99

02:33:14.000 And I'm like, fuck, how'd you get your dog to stop killing chickens? 0.99

02:33:17.000 He goes, oh, we tied a dead chicken to his neck. 1.00

02:33:20.000 And Cam goes, they should tie a dead stripper to your neck. 1.00

02:33:27.000 And it was just out of the blue, and I was fucking crying laughing. 0.99

02:33:31.000 But that was one of the funniest things you said, but there was one other one. 0.95

02:33:34.000 What was the other one?

02:33:35.000 We had a hard time remembering it.

02:33:36.000 Remember the other one that you'd said before?

02:33:38.000 Yeah.

02:33:39.000 It was even funnier than that. 0.99

02:33:40.000 But my point is, he's got fucking stand-up comedy timing. 0.99

02:33:44.000 That sounds like something that one of my comic friends would have said. 0.99

02:33:47.000 Oh, okay.

02:33:48.000 I wish I could remember the other one.

02:33:49.000 There was another one that was funnier.

02:33:51.000 I know. 1.00

02:33:51.000 Fuck! 1.00

02:33:52.000 I know. 1.00

02:33:53.000 Goddammit. 0.98

02:33:53.000 We're going to remember. 0.98

02:33:54.000 We laughed about the dead stripper tied your neck for a long time now.

02:33:57.000 Many times.

02:33:58.000 Many times.

02:33:59.000 It's also, too, at the end of the day, you're kind of exhausted.

02:34:02.000 You're tired.

02:34:02.000 You're delirious.

02:34:03.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:34:03.000 You're eating dinner.

02:34:04.000 Yeah.

02:34:05.000 So that's where the timing comes in.

02:34:07.000 Exactly.

02:34:08.000 Well, it's like those hunting camps are so much fun.

02:34:11.000 At the end of the day, you and me and Ben sitting around laughing, cracking jokes.

02:34:16.000 It's half the fun of it.

02:34:17.000 The family up there, the Land family, love those guys.

02:34:21.000 Salt of the earth.

02:34:22.000 Tom Land and his boys.

02:34:24.000 It's just fun.

02:34:26.000 They feel like family when you go back up there.

02:34:28.000 You'll feel that this year, you know?

02:34:30.000 Well, he's a great guy.

02:34:31.000 The whole staff they had there was fantastic.

02:34:34.000 It's just an awesome place.

02:34:35.000 And it's such a beautiful piece of land.

02:34:38.000 There's just this 240,000 acres.

02:34:42.000 Yeah, and that's...

02:34:44.000 I know we're probably wrapping this up, but...

02:34:46.000 So when you talk about hunting and conservation real quick, on that piece of property, 240...

02:34:51.000 They could make more money by running cattle on it.

02:34:54.000 Right.

02:34:54.000 Do you realize that?

02:34:55.000 But if they ran cattle on it...

02:34:58.000 That habitat would be thrashed.

02:35:00.000 The water sources would be thrashed.

02:35:02.000 All those flowers, the grouse that live there, gone.

02:35:06.000 Because it's just cattle.

02:35:07.000 But if his goal is making money, they could just do that.

02:35:09.000 But the goal is to make money, but also enhance the habitat.

02:35:14.000 And hunting is the best way to do that.

02:35:16.000 Yeah, and it's just a magical place.

02:35:19.000 Like the mule deer that we saw wandering around, this big mule deer.

02:35:22.000 They have everything there, all sorts of different wildlife.

02:35:25.000 And it's gorgeous country, too.

02:35:27.000 It is.

02:35:27.000 Beautiful.

02:35:28.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:35:29.000 Alright, let's wrap this bitch up. 1.00

02:35:31.000 Cameron R. Haynes on Instagram. 0.99

02:35:33.000 And is that the same as Twitter?

02:35:35.000 But you don't even use Twitter, really, right?

02:35:36.000 No.

02:35:36.000 Facebook.

02:35:37.000 Do you use Facebook at all anymore?

02:35:38.000 A little bit.

02:35:39.000 People die off that, right?

02:35:40.000 Instagram's got it beat.

02:35:41.000 Instagram's got it right now.

02:35:43.000 All right.

02:35:44.000 And next video we make, folks, will be about four hours long.

02:35:49.000 No.

02:35:50.000 We can't.

02:35:50.000 The video.

02:35:51.000 The hunting video.

02:35:52.000 We're going to keep hammering.

02:35:53.000 We're going to keep hammering.

02:35:54.000 Bye, everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience - February 06, 2018

Joe Rogan Experience #1074 - Cameron Hanes

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