The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1087 - Sturgill Simpson

00:00:00.000 How long is it going to take me to get to LAX and what time should I be there?

00:00:03.000 If you leave at 2, you have no problems at all.

00:00:06.000 Okay.

00:00:07.000 No problems.

00:00:07.000 Cool.

00:00:07.000 If you leave at 2, you're just going to coast in.

00:00:09.000 Are we live?

00:00:10.000 We're trying to figure out LA traffic, ladies and gentlemen. 1.00

00:00:13.000 You've got to plan for that shit. 1.00

00:00:14.000 You do, man. 1.00

00:00:15.000 Like a natural disaster.

00:00:18.000 In many ways, they're very similar.

00:00:20.000 When I moved to Colorado for just a few months and then came back here, it was instantaneous, like the recognition of what effect it has on me.

00:00:28.000 There's so many people.

00:00:29.000 You're driving, it's like...

00:00:30.000 When you go somewhere where there's very few people, there's a real feeling of relaxation.

00:00:38.000 Like, it's legitimate.

00:00:40.000 It's real.

00:00:41.000 Yeah, it's almost like if you could buy that, Like, yeah, man, I'm taking this gum that puts you in, like, a small-town feel.

00:00:49.000 Like, woodsy, Colorado feel, going through Evergreen, looking at the mountains.

00:00:54.000 Well, you can buy that.

00:00:55.000 You just have to get out of California.

00:00:57.000 Yeah, for sure.

00:00:59.000 But I was just thinking if you had a pill.

00:01:01.000 A pill that did that?

00:01:02.000 That would be a really expensive pill.

00:01:03.000 Or a patch or some gum.

00:01:05.000 You know, like nicotine gum.

00:01:07.000 Some, you know, peace and quiet gum.

00:01:09.000 Transport you to the wilderness.

00:01:11.000 How much would people pay for that?

00:01:12.000 Right? 0.99

00:01:13.000 Like, think about the people that buy Xanax and shit and just anything. 0.99

00:01:16.000 Just take a little bit of the edge off. 0.99

00:01:18.000 Just take this edge off.

00:01:21.000 I don't know.

00:01:22.000 I would probably just buy it and smoke it. 0.91

00:01:26.000 Yeah, and smoke the shit out of that. 0.98

00:01:27.000 Right. 0.91

00:01:28.000 But then you'd be happy living in downtown LA in some graffiti-covered building and hearing the horns go off constantly.

00:01:34.000 I love the weather here.

00:01:35.000 I do.

00:01:36.000 I think that's why I have to come out for work or anything else.

00:01:39.000 Never mind, because every day it's perfect.

00:01:41.000 Except I've been here for like four days and it's raining most of the time, so it's my luck.

00:01:45.000 Yeah.

00:01:46.000 The traffic, man, I think you just sort of accept that you're going to live in your car, right?

00:01:53.000 You're going to be in your car a lot.

00:01:54.000 So everybody has nice cars.

00:01:56.000 That's why everybody drives nice cars in LA. It's also because we're all really, really shallow.

00:02:00.000 We want to show everybody.

00:02:01.000 Like, look what I got. 1.00

00:02:02.000 Bitch! 1.00

00:02:04.000 You know? 1.00

00:02:05.000 There's a lot of that.

00:02:06.000 I like cars.

00:02:06.000 I do too.

00:02:07.000 It's okay.

00:02:08.000 I think about your song, When I Drive My Bronco.

00:02:12.000 You got a really nice Bronco.

00:02:14.000 I unfortunately no longer have a Bronco.

00:02:17.000 You need a Bronco in your life, man.

00:02:20.000 Yeah, but then I'd have a second car.

00:02:21.000 It took me five years just to buy my first car.

00:02:24.000 Yeah, you're one of the minimalist type characters who doesn't want to admit they're successful.

00:02:27.000 I understand.

00:02:28.000 No, I got no problem admitting that.

00:02:31.000 I think it's from living out of a bag most of my adult life.

00:02:36.000 I had one guitar for the first two or three years I was on the road.

00:02:41.000 And then one day you wake up and you have five guitars now.

00:02:44.000 Do you have a thing where you're trying to make your guitars?

00:02:46.000 I don't really need all these guitars.

00:02:48.000 Maybe two guitars is good.

00:02:50.000 But I feel like guitar makers must want to get you a guitar.

00:02:55.000 Does that happen with musicians?

00:02:57.000 Yeah, actually, I got one Martin made for me, and that's kind of an honor, obviously.

00:03:02.000 That's amazing.

00:03:03.000 Yeah, an old, really old, historic legacy company.

00:03:08.000 Yeah, your buddies build them and that kind of...

00:03:10.000 Most I've always made my own out of parts.

00:03:12.000 Really?

00:03:12.000 At least telecasters and stuff.

00:03:14.000 You can buy parts and assemble them just as good as anything coming out of what a custom shop might be for a fraction of the cost.

00:03:23.000 Wow, I didn't know that was a thing.

00:03:25.000 And maybe even build an instrument that is more comfortable to play because you're building to the exact specifics that maybe somebody doesn't mass manufacture.

00:03:34.000 Well, I guess if you know guitars as well as you know them and you've been around them your whole life, that totally makes sense.

00:03:39.000 Like, it's wood and parts, right?

00:03:41.000 A telecaster is basically this table bolted to a baseball bat cut in half.

00:03:46.000 You know what I mean?

00:03:47.000 It's hard to fuck that up.

00:03:48.000 So the rest of it is just electronics and the pickups have a lot.

00:03:51.000 And anything outside of that is just your fingers and who's actually holding the thing.

00:03:55.000 But to build one is not that complicated.

00:03:57.000 No, Les Paul or a Martin acoustic guitar, that's literally like a hand-shaped piece of work that has to be made from start to finish, whereas the guitars I'm talking about building, you're just assembling.

00:04:11.000 There's like parts that are...

00:04:12.000 Widely accessible.

00:04:13.000 I have a buddy that's a classical guitarist.

00:04:16.000 That's an art.

00:04:17.000 That's a whole other thing.

00:04:18.000 He always had his nails grow long when he'd do jiu-jitsu.

00:04:21.000 Dmitry, shout out to my friend Dmitry Duchenko.

00:04:24.000 He had to tape over his fingernails like when he did jiu-jitsu because he had claws. 0.97

00:04:29.000 He didn't claw bitches eyes out. 1.00

00:04:31.000 He had claw motherfuckers. 1.00

00:04:32.000 I mean, he had ridiculous long nails and powerful nails too because... 1.00

00:04:37.000 He strummed with his nails. 0.95

00:04:39.000 Like, that's what he did.

00:04:40.000 Like, he did everything he did with his fingers.

00:04:42.000 He's amazing at it.

00:04:43.000 I mean, just freaky amazing. 1.00

00:04:45.000 You'd watch him play, and he'd be like, holy shit! 0.99

00:04:48.000 You know, saw him play live a bunch of times, and he would do, like, people would hire him to do, like, parties and shit. 0.99

00:04:55.000 But it's, like, it's an art form that...

00:04:57.000 For whatever reason, I don't think it's the kind of respect that it deserves.

00:05:00.000 No, flamenco and classical guitar players, that's a highly complex musicianship.

00:05:06.000 Yeah, and so he would always explain to me guitars, like how they were constructed.

00:05:10.000 And it's amazing to me that there he is.

00:05:13.000 That's Dimitri.

00:05:18.000 That dude was the heavyweight on the Taekwondo team that I was on when I was like a lightweight.

00:05:24.000 I was like 155 pounds and he was fighting heavyweight. 0.99

00:05:27.000 That dude used to fuck people up. 0.99

00:05:30.000 He's got those crazy Ukrainian genes where he's just got giant hammers. 1.00

00:05:34.000 He's chicken picking there. 0.97

00:05:34.000 That's like... 0.97

00:05:35.000 Oh, he's a bad motherfucker. 1.00

00:05:37.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:05:40.000 Now, I don't know shit about guitar.

00:05:42.000 I know it sounds awesome, and I know that sounds awesome, but to you, as a person who plays guitar... 0.94

00:05:47.000 That's country guitar.

00:05:48.000 That's what we call chicken picking. 0.99

00:05:50.000 What he's doing on that classical guitar is pretty cool.

00:05:52.000 He might as well be on Lower Broadway right now. 1.00

00:05:54.000 He's a bad motherfucker, right? 1.00

00:05:55.000 Yeah, he's a bad motherfucker. 1.00

00:05:56.000 For sure. 1.00

00:05:57.000 And was Massachusetts state taekwondo heavyweight champion. 0.90

00:06:01.000 He also doesn't make silly faces. 0.88

00:06:02.000 I like that.

00:06:04.000 He went on to compete after I stopped competing.

00:06:07.000 He competed at a really high level nationally.

00:06:10.000 Like, fought in some big national tournaments. 1.00

00:06:11.000 So when he puts that guitar down, he's still a bad motherfucker. 1.00

00:06:14.000 That's a legit bad motherfucker. 1.00

00:06:16.000 He's a big boy, too. 1.00

00:06:17.000 Like, he's a natural 220. Like, the big Ukrainian rock people.

00:06:23.000 They're just thicker people.

00:06:25.000 They're rock people. 1.00

00:06:25.000 They can pick rocks up and shit. 1.00

00:06:27.000 Then on top of that, unbelievable guitarist. 1.00

00:06:30.000 Crazy.

00:06:32.000 How do you know him?

00:06:33.000 We used to do Taekwondo together when we were kids.

00:06:36.000 We started out together.

00:06:37.000 I was like...

00:06:39.000 I think he's a year younger than me.

00:06:41.000 So I think I was like 15 or 16 when we met.

00:06:45.000 And he was like 14?

00:06:46.000 Was he like 8 hours a day sitting at home with his guitar? 1.00

00:06:48.000 It's fucking discipline, man. 0.99

00:06:51.000 I don't know if it's discipline so much as... 1.00

00:06:55.000 I think everybody that plays music and that really gets into it that heavily, it's an OCD. You have to have a level of spectrum or to sit and just do the same thing over and over repetitively 8-10 hours a day.

00:07:10.000 Especially as a kid, when you're really learning, when it gets you and you hook into it, it's like this other thing that nobody else can be a part of.

00:07:17.000 You know what I mean?

00:07:18.000 I get it.

00:07:20.000 As an outsider, I get it.

00:07:21.000 It's like, you can do something.

00:07:24.000 And once you start doing it, it must feel amazing to be doing it well.

00:07:27.000 Yeah.

00:07:29.000 Yeah, I think...

00:07:30.000 Well, I mean, I played soccer and stuff when I was a kid, but it was always like...

00:07:32.000 I never was one of those guys that...

00:07:34.000 The team thing.

00:07:37.000 Yeah.

00:07:37.000 It was always just, like, introverted and didn't...

00:07:39.000 And so when I found...

00:07:39.000 Really found guitar and got into it, I was like, oh, this is something I can...

00:07:43.000 It's not a competition.

00:07:44.000 It's not...

00:07:46.000 You know, other than what you're pushing yourself to learn, I guess.

00:07:50.000 Yeah, you don't have to rely on other people's personalities or...

00:07:54.000 Well, that's what bands are for, right?

00:07:55.000 Yeah, that's what I always thought about bands.

00:07:57.000 Like, that's got to be the hardest part.

00:07:59.000 Is everybody just being cool?

00:08:01.000 Typically that's... 0.95

00:08:02.000 A bunch of crazy artists? 0.92

00:08:03.000 Well, yeah, especially... 0.96

00:08:07.000 I mean, it's really all about the hang, more than anything.

00:08:10.000 I got me and three other guys in my band now, and it's like, everybody's a great hang.

00:08:15.000 That's awesome.

00:08:15.000 Everybody gets along, and we're actually friends, and you go out every night, and we're just like, you know.

00:08:21.000 Yeah, if you could pull that off.

00:08:23.000 And it makes the road better.

00:08:24.000 When I go on the road, I bring Ian Edwards or Tony Hinchcliffe or any of my other friends that can do it.

00:08:31.000 Whether they're free that weekend, that's usually how I book it.

00:08:34.000 Yeah, because you're going to be around these people for weeks, man.

00:08:35.000 Oh man, we have the best time.

00:08:37.000 I don't do weeks.

00:08:38.000 I just do a couple days at a time.

00:08:39.000 I never go on the road for more than a Thursday, Friday, Saturday anymore.

00:08:43.000 Weekend Warrior?

00:08:43.000 Yeah.

00:08:44.000 Really?

00:08:44.000 And I only do it twice a week.

00:08:45.000 Is that because of the kids and just being home?

00:08:48.000 Yeah, I like being home.

00:08:50.000 And also because I can practice...

00:08:52.000 Travel makes you old?

00:08:53.000 Well, it's just not good for you.

00:08:55.000 It's just not good for you.

00:08:57.000 So it's all those things.

00:08:58.000 I like being around my family.

00:09:00.000 I like being at home.

00:09:02.000 I like being around my friends.

00:09:03.000 And also, I just don't think it's a healthy thing.

00:09:06.000 I think travel on occasion is okay, but I think once you start getting into every weekend flying, I've heard of people doing that, and I'm like, you're beating your body up.

00:09:15.000 There's no ifs, ands, or buts about it.

00:09:18.000 Well, it's one of the best things about certainly my job and your job.

00:09:25.000 You get to go out and perform and entertain, but since things sort of took off, For me, I realized very early on, I get paid to travel.

00:09:35.000 The shows are free. 0.99

00:09:36.000 That shit's fun. 1.00

00:09:37.000 You know what I mean? 1.00

00:09:38.000 We're out there doing what we love to do, but it's all the in-between and the beat down your body takes and being out of any kind of routine and away from your family.

00:09:47.000 That's really the thing.

00:09:49.000 You come off for four or five weeks straight of that. 0.99

00:09:52.000 I'm a pretty healthy 39-year-old dude, and it takes me four or five days just to get off the fucking couch after a month-long run. 0.98

00:09:59.000 And my wife, she finally started to understand. 0.99

00:10:02.000 It's because you're...

00:10:04.000 The travel, you know, it's a different kind of exhaustion you can't really articulate, I think.

00:10:09.000 There's the travel, there's the sleeping, because usually you got to get, if you're doing every day too, are you bussing it or are you flying?

00:10:15.000 We're on buses mostly, unless it's like, the logistics is just crazy, but you know, you still got to be there, so you might bus part of it, and then one night you're flying everybody, or a red hour the next morning, do that thing and then get back to the bus or meet up with the bus.

00:10:30.000 What helps me is cardio.

00:10:33.000 Whenever I go to a place, I don't want to. 0.99

00:10:36.000 I feel like shit. 0.99

00:10:37.000 I'm like, ugh, fucking tired. 1.00

00:10:38.000 But if I could just force myself to get to the gym and just do 45 minutes on an elliptical machine, just that 45 minutes out of the day. 0.98

00:10:45.000 That's what I'm doing, period.

00:10:46.000 Nothing else.

00:10:47.000 Put the headphones on, listen to a podcast, and just get that 45 minutes of cardio, and then I'm good.

00:10:54.000 Then I'm straight.

00:10:55.000 Then everything levels out.

00:10:57.000 But if I don't do that, if I don't do that every couple of days at least, I just feel worn out.

00:11:02.000 I think it's also an endorphin imbalance.

00:11:06.000 My buddy Bobby that plays organ, he works out like a madman.

00:11:10.000 It's kind of insane you guys would get along.

00:11:13.000 I think a lot of it is to balance out You know, just energy.

00:11:17.000 Because every night we get two hours of cardio on stage and just massive adrenaline blast, especially when it really locks in and there's all this energy just slamming you in the face.

00:11:28.000 And then you walk off stage and it takes like four or five hours to come down from that every night.

00:11:32.000 Yeah.

00:11:33.000 And then so, you know, the next day now you're... 0.99

00:11:36.000 Shit has to be off balance naturally, you know what I mean? 0.99

00:11:39.000 Just like you just had this massive blast of all these chemicals that your brain's pumping out, endorphins, and now the next day you're just like waking up trying to figure out where to take a shit and get a cup of coffee and is there a shower today? 0.99

00:11:52.000 And it gets weird when you do a bunch of them in a row, right? 0.89

00:11:56.000 Like how often you wake up and stare at the ceiling not exactly remembering what town you're in.

00:12:02.000 That never happens.

00:12:03.000 It never happens?

00:12:04.000 I'm always staying a week or two.

00:12:06.000 It's the adventure, the journey, so to speak.

00:12:10.000 I do wake up sometimes and just sort of...

00:12:14.000 Well, honestly, it's bittersweet because the longer you're out, the more you're playing and the better the music gets.

00:12:22.000 So, you know, by the last show, there's always this really like, man, you know, I'm exhausted.

00:12:26.000 I really want to go home, but I can't believe we've got to take a break now because everything just got super greasy, you know?

00:12:32.000 Right.

00:12:33.000 It's different every night, but you just, the chemistry and everything, and you lock in and you kind of get in that head.

00:12:38.000 Yeah, I could imagine.

00:12:40.000 A comedy is very similar.

00:12:42.000 It's very similar when you're doing a long stretch.

00:12:45.000 I only did it once with Charlie Murphy and John Heffron.

00:12:50.000 We did this little tour together.

00:12:51.000 It's the only time I've done 30 days where I did 22 dates, where I was just constantly out.

00:12:56.000 I was only home for a day or two, and then I was back out again.

00:12:59.000 But you get in that groove.

00:13:01.000 You just get relaxed.

00:13:03.000 You've been doing it a lot.

00:13:05.000 You feel it.

00:13:06.000 You get on this non-existent clock.

00:13:09.000 It's a routine of no routine is how I describe it.

00:13:13.000 Every day is the same but completely different.

00:13:16.000 But I don't mind it, man.

00:13:19.000 A lot of times it feels like I'm just back in the Navy because we still sleep in bunks on the bus. 0.97

00:13:24.000 We'd go out to sea for like 90 days and shit. 0.97

00:13:26.000 That was... 0.99

00:13:27.000 That's probably way better for you psychologically when you go on stage than if you're staying in some giant suite when you're walking around the suite and you get grapes on a plate.

00:13:36.000 I can't do the hotel rooms.

00:13:37.000 I get it.

00:13:38.000 When you start out and you start going on, you play festivals or shows with your heroes and they're on buses before you are and you go on and you talk to these guys and you realize they live in this thing.

00:13:49.000 They're institutionalized in the back of this bus and they never get off the bus.

00:13:52.000 You're like, I don't get it.

00:13:54.000 And then it happens to you, and you realize that that's like this little safe space.

00:13:59.000 Like a hotel room, overnight, for me, I'll go crazy waiting for a show.

00:14:04.000 You're like caged up in this little box, you know, with cable TV and nobody to talk to.

00:14:09.000 I got soured on buses when they pulled over Willie and arrested him for weed on his bus.

00:14:14.000 That guy should have been demoted, man.

00:14:15.000 For sure.

00:14:17.000 For sure.

00:14:18.000 You got Willie on a pot charge?

00:14:19.000 Good for you, Sherlock.

00:14:20.000 How dare you?

00:14:22.000 Whoever you are.

00:14:23.000 There's things you just gotta let slide.

00:14:25.000 I was in Texas, too, right?

00:14:26.000 Yep.

00:14:27.000 Texas doesn't play when it comes to weed, unfortunately. 1.00

00:14:30.000 It's really silly. 0.86

00:14:31.000 If it did, it would change Texas. 0.88

00:14:33.000 It'd make it better. 1.00

00:14:34.000 I could relax some of those fucking cowboys. 1.00

00:14:37.000 Settle down. 1.00

00:14:40.000 And why are you saying it shouldn't be legal, stupid? 1.00

00:14:42.000 That's crazy. 1.00

00:14:43.000 The fact that that's still an argument in 2018. You know what they said?

00:14:47.000 Here's a funny one.

00:14:48.000 One of the most recent arguments that I read was that more pedestrians were walking out into traffic because of legal weed and dying.

00:14:55.000 So, like, there's been an uptick everywhere.

00:14:58.000 I shouldn't laugh at that.

00:14:59.000 That's rude.

00:15:00.000 It could be me.

00:15:01.000 Right?

00:15:02.000 It could be me.

00:15:03.000 Why am I laughing?

00:15:04.000 It was almost me this morning. 1.00

00:15:06.000 I'm an asshole. 0.98

00:15:06.000 I'm sorry. 0.98

00:15:07.000 I apologize.

00:15:08.000 But I thought it was pretty funny.

00:15:09.000 This idea that there's an uptick in people just walking out into cars.

00:15:14.000 Getting hit by cars.

00:15:15.000 Because they're just spacing out because they're high.

00:15:18.000 I think it should be legal just because I'm from Kentucky, and if they gave all those farmers and ex-coal industry employees an industry that would really thrive, since it grows extremely well in Kentucky, instead of soybeans and tobacco,

00:15:34.000 those guys could actually generate an income. 0.74

00:15:36.000 What do you think is holding it back?

00:15:38.000 For their family, community, politics.

00:15:40.000 Actually, that's not true.

00:15:41.000 Mitch McConnell, or somebody, some really staunch right-wing guy in Kentucky came out and was even pushing for legislation towards at least the hemp industry, which would be incredible.

00:15:49.000 Yeah, the hemp industry is a no-brainer.

00:15:51.000 You can look at the tax numbers alone.

00:15:54.000 Well, you know, we buy hemp for Onnit, and for the longest time, we'd have to buy it in Canada.

00:16:00.000 Because you couldn't get it in the United States, because until recently it wasn't legal to grow. 0.92

00:16:05.000 And so to get like the best stuff that has the highest protein content, we'd have to fucking ship it in from Canada. 0.84

00:16:10.000 You can't even grow it here. 0.91

00:16:11.000 Now you can.

00:16:13.000 But when, I mean, when did we start on it?

00:16:16.000 That's not that long ago.

00:16:18.000 I want to say like seven years ago, something like that.

00:16:20.000 So that was like one of the first things that we did, is make a really good hemp protein powder.

00:16:26.000 And when we were looking into it, we were like, I can't even believe that you can't grow this.

00:16:30.000 It doesn't do anything to your consciousness.

00:16:33.000 Zero.

00:16:33.000 It doesn't affect you at all.

00:16:34.000 Because it's related to pot, it's illegal.

00:16:37.000 It's insane.

00:16:38.000 The National Hemp Museum is in Versailles, Kentucky.

00:16:43.000 Is it really?

00:16:44.000 Where I graduated high school.

00:16:46.000 Woodford County, Kentucky was at one point the largest hemp-producing county in the entire nation.

00:16:51.000 Whoa.

00:16:52.000 I don't know, something about the limestone, the soil conditions, the humidity, the sunlight. 0.99

00:16:56.000 Oh, shit. 0.99

00:16:57.000 Pot and hemp grows really, really well. 1.00

00:16:59.000 Wow.

00:17:01.000 The first legal 500-acre hemp farm in Kentucky unveiled.

00:17:05.000 So now it's legal?

00:17:06.000 In October.

00:17:08.000 Oh, wow.

00:17:08.000 So now they can grow it.

00:17:10.000 Excellent.

00:17:11.000 Beautiful.

00:17:12.000 I don't live there anymore, so I'm out of touch.

00:17:13.000 But hey, that's great news.

00:17:14.000 That's fantastic news.

00:17:17.000 That's amazing.

00:17:19.000 What were you just talking about something that I was going to bring up? 1.00

00:17:24.000 Oh, shit. 0.99

00:17:25.000 I can't remember. 0.99

00:17:26.000 Something about new...

00:17:30.000 Mr. Nelson.

00:17:31.000 Something new stuff that had to do with legalization.

00:17:35.000 Marijuana in Kentucky, we were just talking about.

00:17:37.000 Yeah.

00:17:38.000 It's just pretty crazy that you'd have a hemp museum and have it be illegal for so long with no argument.

00:17:44.000 There's no science.

00:17:45.000 It doesn't pollute anything.

00:17:46.000 It doesn't do anything to the environment.

00:17:49.000 The nation was basically built on it. 1.00

00:17:51.000 Everything was made out of that shit. 0.99

00:17:53.000 Did you ever see the first Henry Ford Model T where he made the fenders out of hemp and he's hitting it with a hammer? 1.00

00:17:58.000 I did not know that.

00:17:59.000 Dude, you gotta watch this.

00:17:59.000 We'll play this for you.

00:18:00.000 It's the craziest shit ever. 0.99

00:18:02.000 Henry Ford's very first car that he made, he made the fenders out of hemp. 1.00

00:18:06.000 And you're watching him hit this fucking fender with a hammer and the hammer is just bouncing off the fender. 0.99

00:18:12.000 Check this out. 1.00

00:18:13.000 This is crazy.

00:18:14.000 I mean, I don't know.

00:18:15.000 When was this?

00:18:16.000 What did it say, Jamie?

00:18:17.000 What was the time it said there?

00:18:18.000 It was 1941. 1941. So in 1941, before it was illegal, so it was made illegal right around the time where alcohol prohibition had ended, and they needed something to go after.

00:18:30.000 So then they started using the same guys to go after weed.

00:18:33.000 And this was pre that.

00:18:34.000 Look at this. 0.99

00:18:35.000 He's hitting this fucking thing with the back of an axe, and it's just bouncing off. 1.00

00:18:40.000 It was also a great way to discriminate against Mexican immigrants. 1.00

00:18:44.000 It was. 0.97

00:18:44.000 And black people, too. 0.97

00:18:46.000 The whole name, marijuana, came from a Mexican slang for wild tobacco. 0.89

00:18:52.000 Didn't have anything to do with marijuana.

00:18:54.000 They just created this thing.

00:18:56.000 Like, when they made it illegal, the people that were, they didn't even understand they were making hemp illegal.

00:19:01.000 They had to explain it to everybody.

00:19:04.000 And they had, like, tax stamps that you had.

00:19:06.000 I bet DuPont understood that, though. 0.84

00:19:09.000 Oh, they understood the fuck out of it.

00:19:11.000 So did William Randolph Hearst. 0.99

00:19:12.000 That guy was the craziest.

00:19:14.000 The guy who Citizen Kane was based on? 0.55

00:19:18.000 Rosebud. 0.85

00:19:19.000 That guy was the craziest. 0.92

00:19:20.000 So here it is. 1.00

00:19:21.000 This guy's hitting this hemp fender with a fucking hammer. 1.00

00:19:24.000 Henry Rollins testing it. 1.00

00:19:25.000 Henry Rollins, goddammit. 0.98

00:19:26.000 Look, you barely smudged the thing. 0.97

00:19:30.000 I mean, they're so superior to metal.

00:19:32.000 And it's easy.

00:19:34.000 It's a renewable resource. 0.91

00:19:36.000 We've fucked this up so bad. 0.68

00:19:39.000 It's so obvious. 0.69

00:19:40.000 It's one of the biggest examples.

00:19:42.000 People say, why do you drone on about pot all the time?

00:19:44.000 It's because these things like that are one of the biggest examples of just how egregious Making it illegal is.

00:19:51.000 It's one of the most amazing plants we've ever discovered.

00:19:56.000 You can make your house out of it. 0.99

00:19:58.000 You can fucking eat at it. 1.00

00:19:59.000 You can get high with it. 1.00

00:20:01.000 You can make your clothes with it.

00:20:02.000 It has all the amino acids you could use for heating oil.

00:20:06.000 What?

00:20:07.000 You can treat cancer patients.

00:20:09.000 You can treat cancer patients with it.

00:20:10.000 Somebody put it here.

00:20:12.000 Come on.

00:20:13.000 Come on.

00:20:14.000 Right?

00:20:14.000 It helps reduce tumor size.

00:20:18.000 It's crazy.

00:20:20.000 Helps a host of different diseases.

00:20:22.000 I know a lot of people that have, like, serious inflammation problems.

00:20:27.000 They smoke some weed and they're alright.

00:20:29.000 Just lightens everything up.

00:20:31.000 And it's illegal.

00:20:32.000 And you can grow it.

00:20:33.000 You can grow your own.

00:20:34.000 You can grow a shit ton of it in your backyard.

00:20:36.000 Anybody could. 0.65

00:20:38.000 Do you have a sprinkler?

00:20:39.000 Okay.

00:20:39.000 You got some good dirt?

00:20:40.000 Alright.

00:20:41.000 You got some weed.

00:20:42.000 That weed's just good to go. 1.00

00:20:43.000 That's a fucking hardy-ass plant. 1.00

00:20:46.000 Yeah, my grandmother... 0.99

00:20:50.000 She just had some health stuff, and it's like, you know, how do I... She's pretty old school.

00:20:58.000 Knowing there's this thing out there that isn't anything that these doctors are going to offer her that's just going to make her feel awful or have to go through all of that.

00:21:08.000 If someone will just give you comfort or ease nausea or make you want to eat food or those kind of things, why wouldn't you want someone you love and care about to have that?

00:21:16.000 But then at the same time, you want to be the person trying to feed pot to your grandmother.

00:21:23.000 Yeah, it's a hard sell.

00:21:26.000 It's a hard sell.

00:21:28.000 Yeah, it's just...

00:21:30.000 stunning. 0.97

00:21:34.000 How well propaganda from 1933 carried all the way the fuck to 2018. It's stunning. 0.99

00:21:40.000 Is it?

00:21:41.000 I mean...

00:21:41.000 But it's almost 100 years.

00:21:43.000 Yeah.

00:21:43.000 With what we...

00:21:44.000 Like, the amount of information that you can get on a subject now, like, say, if you're...

00:21:48.000 The medical benefits of cannabis.

00:21:50.000 Just Google that. 1.00

00:21:50.000 And you'll just start reading all the shit. 1.00

00:21:52.000 Like, it seems to me that enough people would go, wait, what are we doing? 0.99

00:21:56.000 Like, why is it illegal?

00:21:57.000 Nobody's died from it.

00:21:59.000 Like, no one.

00:21:59.000 More people die of aspirin every year.

00:22:03.000 Because zero died from pot, so it's really, the number is zero.

00:22:06.000 It doesn't mean that people aren't going to get high and walk into traffic.

00:22:09.000 Some are going to.

00:22:10.000 But I think part of that is because we're not teaching people how to get high properly.

00:22:14.000 If someone gets high for the first time, you let them take 10 hits.

00:22:16.000 I wonder how many of those people that are getting hit by cars are actually looking at their phones.

00:22:19.000 Could be a lot.

00:22:20.000 They were high and looking at their phones.

00:22:22.000 You don't see that here like you do in Nashville.

00:22:25.000 I drive around.

00:22:26.000 I hate that.

00:22:28.000 I'm just driving around town.

00:22:29.000 Everybody's texting.

00:22:30.000 Everybody's looking down.

00:22:31.000 You can always spot them on the interstate.

00:22:32.000 Yep, weaving.

00:22:33.000 But you don't see that in California.

00:22:34.000 You guys have really heavy laws about it.

00:22:36.000 Saw it today.

00:22:36.000 Yeah?

00:22:37.000 Saw it today.

00:22:38.000 Some lady had drifted completely in my lane. 1.00

00:22:40.000 And I looked over at her, and I saw the back of her head, like, I was on her driver's side, I was on that side, looking over at her, and all I saw was the back of her head.

00:22:50.000 She literally was looking at my car, and she was just looking at her phone, and working her thumb, and occasionally, like, looking up at the screen, or looking up at the windshield. 0.97

00:22:58.000 It's like, whoa, you crazy lady. 1.00

00:23:00.000 You think just because you're going 40 miles an hour, that's okay, because you're on a side street? 0.97

00:23:03.000 Like, you're not even looking where you're going!

00:23:06.000 You're driving a car, what if you hit a kid?

00:23:08.000 Jesus Christ! 1.00

00:23:11.000 Fuck! 1.00

00:23:12.000 What if you slam into some old lady? 1.00

00:23:15.000 You know?

00:23:16.000 What if you rear-end a bike?

00:23:18.000 You're not even looking.

00:23:19.000 You didn't even notice the bike was there.

00:23:20.000 Boom! 0.99

00:23:20.000 You run over some guy's leg. 0.99

00:23:22.000 What in the fuck, lady? 1.00

00:23:24.000 Or dude. 1.00

00:23:26.000 Maybe I was misgendering.

00:23:27.000 I don't know.

00:23:28.000 I don't know what her status is.

00:23:29.000 You gotta be real careful today, Sturgill.

00:23:31.000 Man.

00:23:32.000 Is it like that in Nashville?

00:23:33.000 Is everybody like super progressive?

00:23:34.000 I don't know, bro.

00:23:34.000 I don't leave the house.

00:23:36.000 I really don't have any idea.

00:23:38.000 I just sort of...

00:23:39.000 I think that's a good move.

00:23:42.000 Yeah, you know.

00:23:43.000 I like my kids.

00:23:45.000 I mean, I'm somewhat aware of everything going on.

00:23:49.000 It's surprising that none of that's really hit the music business as hard as it is, but...

00:23:57.000 I try to just do my thing.

00:24:00.000 Yeah.

00:24:02.000 It's a weird world we're living in today.

00:24:06.000 I would like us to figure this out better. 0.97

00:24:10.000 I would like us to do just a little bit better job being nice to each other, getting our shit together. 0.94

00:24:16.000 It's a weird time. 0.85

00:24:17.000 It's real weird.

00:24:19.000 Everybody's looking to argue.

00:24:20.000 It's the strangest times in my lifetime, which isn't that long, but that I can recall.

00:24:25.000 I don't ever remember things ever being like whatever this is.

00:24:32.000 You know?

00:24:33.000 Yeah.

00:24:34.000 And I don't mean that in any generalized middle of the road.

00:24:36.000 Just because at least like... 0.99

00:24:38.000 Crazy shit with superpowers talking about nuclear bombs all the time every day now. 0.99

00:24:44.000 And it's just like, how did we get back there? 1.00

00:24:45.000 Right.

00:24:46.000 You know?

00:24:46.000 Yeah, how did we get back to Putin telling us that he has some new nuclear missile that you can't defend against?

00:24:51.000 Yeah, did you see that shit? 1.00

00:24:51.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:24:53.000 1500 meter tsunami wave of...

00:24:56.000 Apocalyptic death that thing could bomb out. 1.00

00:24:58.000 Yeah, why the fuck, man? 1.00

00:25:00.000 And we don't have a defense system that can deal with it. 1.00

00:25:03.000 So he's basically saying, I could kill you. 1.00

00:25:05.000 I have a gun pointed at your head, I could kill you. 1.00

00:25:06.000 Anytime. 1.00

00:25:07.000 Welcome to 2018. Oh yeah, Donald Trump's president.

00:25:11.000 I did that too, by the way.

00:25:15.000 I don't know, man.

00:25:17.000 It's terrifying.

00:25:20.000 It's definitely cause for concern.

00:25:23.000 All this while pot's illegal.

00:25:25.000 Pot's illegal, but it's legal to have a guy who is the host of The Apprentice run the nuclear armament.

00:25:32.000 Or armory.

00:25:33.000 You'd say armory, right?

00:25:35.000 You know, I got in some trouble a few months ago because I did this...

00:25:39.000 I had nothing to do one night, and I went down.

00:25:42.000 The whole thing was just a protest kind of based on answering questions.

00:25:47.000 That's just the promise I made.

00:25:48.000 This buddy of mine, he videotaped it, and he had a press pass, so they couldn't tell us to turn the camera off.

00:25:55.000 Somebody asked me, what do you think about Trump?

00:25:57.000 And I answered it.

00:26:01.000 What they didn't ask, what do you think of all politicians?

00:26:03.000 You know what I mean?

00:26:04.000 Right.

00:26:04.000 To me, nothing ever really changes.

00:26:06.000 Right, left, this or that.

00:26:08.000 It's all just sort of a different version of the people you never really see.

00:26:14.000 We can't have an alpha chimp. 1.00

00:26:16.000 It's a stupid position. 1.00

00:26:18.000 We shouldn't have it anymore. 1.00

00:26:19.000 We shouldn't have had it a long time ago.

00:26:20.000 We should have figured out a long time ago that you can't have one person run the whole show.

00:26:25.000 It's insane.

00:26:26.000 It doesn't work.

00:26:27.000 It's crazy for them, too.

00:26:29.000 It's not good for anybody.

00:26:30.000 We can't pretend anymore that one person is special above other people.

00:26:34.000 Like, royalty doesn't work anymore.

00:26:35.000 It doesn't work.

00:26:36.000 We're all just people.

00:26:37.000 It doesn't work.

00:26:38.000 And you can't get voted in to the number one person on the world. 1.00

00:26:42.000 That's fucking ridiculous. 1.00

00:26:43.000 Apparently you can't. 1.00

00:26:44.000 You can.

00:26:45.000 But you shouldn't be able to.

00:26:46.000 It's too old.

00:26:48.000 It's too antiquated.

00:26:50.000 And there's way better options.

00:26:51.000 There's just way better options.

00:26:52.000 You can't have all of us.

00:26:54.000 And you can't have some arbitrary date where everybody has to decide by.

00:26:56.000 The presidential election should not be an episode of The Voice.

00:26:59.000 Is that what you're saying?

00:27:00.000 Well, it's got a time.

00:27:02.000 But everything's an episode of The Voice now.

00:27:04.000 That's just how it works.

00:27:05.000 Or American Idol or something like that.

00:27:07.000 There's a buzzer.

00:27:08.000 It's all a big contest.

00:27:09.000 You win the trophy.

00:27:10.000 When you vote, there's a buzzer.

00:27:12.000 The buzzer's over.

00:27:14.000 You can't vote anymore.

00:27:15.000 Right?

00:27:15.000 Right.

00:27:15.000 The votes are in.

00:27:16.000 That's it.

00:27:18.000 And the drum roll, please.

00:27:20.000 I mean, it's showbiz.

00:27:23.000 It doesn't make any sense that you mean I guess it does because then people could arbitrarily Decide to remove a leader and put a leader back in and like you would just be able to vote and change your mind with the tide like constantly But that's one more reason why we shouldn't have one person. 0.96

00:27:40.000 It's stupid should have First of all, we gotta overhaul the way we teach kids. 0.91

00:27:48.000 We gotta have more informed people. 1.00

00:27:50.000 Then once you have more informed people, you let them in on what the fuck we should do. 0.96

00:27:56.000 We all decide as a group. 0.75

00:27:57.000 Like, the way they do it now... 1.00

00:27:59.000 The way they do it now is just, it's bullshit. 1.00

00:28:01.000 It's fake. 1.00

00:28:02.000 Like you're pretending that you have a choice.

00:28:04.000 You do have a choice.

00:28:04.000 You have a choice between this guy or that guy.

00:28:06.000 Neither one you like, so pick it.

00:28:07.000 But both of them are embedded in all the special interest groups and all the lobbyists.

00:28:12.000 It was supposed to be a republic.

00:28:14.000 It was always supposed to be about the people.

00:28:16.000 Yeah.

00:28:16.000 And by the people, for the people.

00:28:18.000 It's been co-opted by money.

00:28:20.000 It's real simple.

00:28:21.000 For big pharma and oil companies.

00:28:24.000 I don't know.

00:28:25.000 Well, the amount of people that are allowed to spend millions and millions of dollars to prop up politicians.

00:28:30.000 It's like, why would we let that happen?

00:28:32.000 On both sides.

00:28:34.000 On both sides.

00:28:35.000 Why would we let that happen?

00:28:37.000 That seems crazy.

00:28:38.000 That seems like any other job where you were in a position of influence over someone else's job.

00:28:45.000 You wouldn't be able to take money from that person to make sure that you did the right thing.

00:28:50.000 That would be called bribery.

00:28:52.000 Right?

00:28:53.000 I don't know.

00:28:54.000 I mean, it is like bribery.

00:28:55.000 They do it.

00:28:56.000 Right, they do do it.

00:28:57.000 But they get in real big trouble for.

00:29:00.000 Here's one that I think is interesting.

00:29:02.000 Trump recently did something about steel, about bringing steel back to the United States and steel manufacturing back to the United States.

00:29:11.000 But before he did it, one of his homies... 0.98

00:29:14.000 Bought a shitload of stock in steel, like one of his like super rich dudes.

00:29:19.000 And so then the question is like, hey, should he have been allowed to do that?

00:29:22.000 Isn't that insider trading? 0.99

00:29:24.000 And you're like, wait a minute, you can't just know shit? 1.00

00:29:26.000 If I know shit, what am I supposed to do? 1.00

00:29:28.000 I'm not supposed to buy stock? 1.00

00:29:30.000 Like, well then, if you do know shit and you buy stock, is that fair? 0.99

00:29:34.000 That doesn't seem fair. 0.99

00:29:36.000 What's the answer there? 1.00

00:29:38.000 The answer is the system sucks. 1.00

00:29:40.000 You got a wacky ass fucking crazy system that all your money's based on, where people can just buy and sell parts of companies. 1.00

00:29:47.000 Yeah, or all. 0.99

00:29:48.000 Or all.

00:29:48.000 I think the Chinese pretty much bought all the steel companies.

00:29:52.000 Right, so a while back they were smart enough to say, oh, you don't want that?

00:29:54.000 Okay.

00:29:55.000 Nobody's ever gonna go back, though. 0.99

00:29:57.000 Once you can make money off the stock market, fuck that. 0.98

00:29:58.000 I'm making money off moving numbers around on my computer. 1.00

00:30:01.000 Fuck you, I'm staying. 1.00

00:30:02.000 Do you play it? 1.00

00:30:03.000 No.

00:30:04.000 It's just terrifying.

00:30:05.000 Terrifying.

00:30:05.000 No way.

00:30:06.000 No. 0.99

00:30:07.000 Get the fuck out of here with that. 1.00

00:30:08.000 I've gained and lost before. 0.99

00:30:10.000 I was a victim of a pump and dump steam.

00:30:12.000 I get nervous at the Wheel of Fortune dollar slots, man, in Vegas, you know what I mean?

00:30:16.000 Much less.

00:30:17.000 You should.

00:30:17.000 Those are dangerous.

00:30:18.000 Okay.

00:30:19.000 They lure you in.

00:30:20.000 I'm down 19. I gotta get the fuck out of here, you know what I'm saying? 0.99

00:30:22.000 I was a victim of a pump and dump scheme. 0.98

00:30:26.000 This dude told me to buy this stock.

00:30:28.000 He's like, dude, I'm telling you, the stock's about to blow up.

00:30:30.000 The guy was a coke dealer, so I knew he was honest, trustworthy, easy to listen to.

00:30:34.000 I didn't know he was a coke dealer at the time.

00:30:36.000 I just thought he was a comic.

00:30:37.000 And so he would tell me about the stock and we bought into it.

00:30:41.000 I don't think I bought that much, but it was like a few thousand dollars, which is not that big of a deal if you're Looking at the greater spectrum of how much money people lose in the stock market, I lost nothing.

00:30:53.000 I mean, people lose their whole life savings, their fortune, what they've inherited.

00:30:59.000 People can lose it like that in the stock market.

00:31:01.000 So we bought in, me and my business manager, and it went up for a little while.

00:31:05.000 It went up because more people were telling more people to buy it, and then it just crashed.

00:31:08.000 It crashed!

00:31:09.000 And when I mean it crashed, it just went through the floor like it didn't exist anymore.

00:31:14.000 It was like, it went from, I forget what the number was, but it was like in the many dollars down to like a fraction of a cent or a cent or three cent or something like that.

00:31:24.000 It went down to virtually worthless.

00:31:26.000 And we were like, oh, we got pump and dumped.

00:31:28.000 Like, that's what they do.

00:31:29.000 They pump it up, they get a bunch of people to join, and then once a bunch of people are buying this stock, they're like, abandon ship! 1.00

00:31:37.000 And I got fucked. 1.00

00:31:38.000 I remember Shooter going on years ago all about the Bitcoin shit, man. 1.00

00:31:42.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:31:42.000 He got hung up on the Bitcoin for a minute. 1.00

00:31:44.000 Shooter loves it.

00:31:45.000 I wish I'd listened. 1.00

00:31:47.000 He loves that shit. 1.00

00:31:49.000 He's a Bitcoin believer. 1.00

00:31:53.000 Yeah.

00:31:54.000 I'm a Bitcoin.

00:31:55.000 Hmm.

00:31:56.000 This is me.

00:31:57.000 Hmm.

00:31:57.000 I'm like, I don't understand that, and I probably never will, so I'm going to stay over here.

00:32:02.000 Yeah, it's a good move.

00:32:04.000 It feels like a little pyramid scheme-y.

00:32:08.000 Does it?

00:32:09.000 I don't know.

00:32:10.000 It's nervous.

00:32:11.000 It makes us nervous.

00:32:12.000 At this point in my life, I just assume everything is a pyramid scheme.

00:32:16.000 It's always like a trickle of, you know...

00:32:19.000 Yeah.

00:32:20.000 If it could be proven to be as stable or more stable than money, I think we just go for it.

00:32:27.000 That's what I think. 0.99

00:32:28.000 I think, why fuck around? 1.00

00:32:30.000 Why use all these old, crazy, rich banker dudes' money when you could just do nerd money? 0.99

00:32:37.000 Just digital nerd money.

00:32:39.000 Wait, all it would take is people having to agree to it, right?

00:32:42.000 That's all it would take.

00:32:43.000 If everybody just agreed to just use Bitcoin.

00:32:46.000 Or if everybody agreed to an implant that had all your info on it and all your money.

00:32:51.000 Don't you do that story, Joel.

00:32:53.000 Cool.

00:32:54.000 Walk into your movie, man.

00:32:55.000 That's coming.

00:32:57.000 Yeah, someone's going to give you the benefits of it. 1.00

00:32:59.000 If you just put this in your dick, first of all... 1.00

00:33:01.000 They just haven't inserted it yet, but we all have one, you know? 1.00

00:33:04.000 Yeah, they haven't turned it on yet.

00:33:06.000 It's in your pocket, not your wrist.

00:33:07.000 Yeah.

00:33:09.000 Well, some people, it's on their wrist, too.

00:33:11.000 I was texting one night with the guys in the band.

00:33:13.000 This was what really scared the shit out of me.

00:33:16.000 I got off social media a while back completely again.

00:33:19.000 I tried Twitter again.

00:33:20.000 I told Jason Isbell to give it a second shot, but I realized my kids were way more interesting.

00:33:25.000 I'd just rather be writing a song or doing something else.

00:33:28.000 But one night, we all had a group text going on, and somebody said something.

00:33:34.000 There's a lot of 80s film buffs in our band, and somebody made a Jean-Claude Van Damme reference.

00:33:40.000 And dude, five minutes later, I'm not in any way exaggerating this.

00:33:44.000 My wife and I are sitting there watching TV, surfing Netflix, and instantly it's like my entire channel is full of Jean-Claude Van Damme selections. 0.98

00:33:52.000 And I was just like, what in the fuck is going on?

00:33:54.000 I've never watched a Jean-Claude Van Damme film ever on Netflix. 0.97

00:33:58.000 And now there's all this...

00:33:59.000 It's like somehow that got... 0.99

00:34:01.000 Cross-marketed to my television set, just because I'm on my telephone talking about this fucking guy. 0.99

00:34:08.000 Freaked me out, man. 0.99

00:34:09.000 I was like, no more.

00:34:09.000 I'm dumping everything.

00:34:11.000 Dude, I've heard people tell me that they were having conversations on the phone with someone, and then what they were talking about showed up in their Google Ads on their laptop.

00:34:21.000 How does that work?

00:34:23.000 How does that work?

00:34:25.000 I have no idea.

00:34:26.000 Are they listening constantly?

00:34:27.000 Something is.

00:34:28.000 Jamie says yes.

00:34:29.000 Edward Snowden says yes. 0.60

00:34:31.000 But the fact that it shows up in your Google Ads, isn't that a little fucking obvious?

00:34:36.000 I mean, that hasn't happened to me.

00:34:37.000 Do you think that's real?

00:34:40.000 100%.

00:34:40.000 Jamie's looking...

00:34:41.000 He looks like he should have a Guy Fawkes mask on right now. 1.00

00:34:44.000 Slip on one of them fucking anarchist masks. 1.00

00:34:46.000 Look at him. 1.00

00:34:48.000 He's smiling over there.

00:34:49.000 100%.

00:34:49.000 They're listening to us.

00:34:51.000 God damn it. 0.99

00:34:53.000 Gmail's free for a reason, you know. 0.99

00:34:55.000 Boom, there it is.

00:34:56.000 What, so they can read it?

00:34:57.000 Definitely, yeah.

00:34:57.000 They're reading everything.

00:34:59.000 Wow.

00:34:59.000 It all makes sense now.

00:35:00.000 That's intense.

00:35:01.000 Now I'm freaking out, Jamie.

00:35:02.000 Thanks.

00:35:04.000 Thanks, buddy. 1.00

00:35:06.000 Fuck my head up, man. 1.00

00:35:07.000 Here to help. 1.00

00:35:10.000 Is that okay?

00:35:11.000 You know, like, who signed off on that?

00:35:13.000 How many people have ever read those terms of agreement?

00:35:16.000 I don't.

00:35:16.000 Have you ever?

00:35:17.000 No.

00:35:18.000 That's what I think.

00:35:19.000 When you buy the Alexa, you're just like, yes.

00:35:23.000 You're buying yes. 0.99

00:35:24.000 Those people are crazy.

00:35:26.000 Having those things in your house that you talk to and it listens to everything. 1.00

00:35:29.000 Fuck all that. 1.00

00:35:31.000 That just seems like too hackable. 1.00

00:35:33.000 It's all weird, man.

00:35:35.000 And by the way, this is just the first drops of water that's going through before our roof collapses.

00:35:41.000 Because it's coming.

00:35:43.000 Or, you know, all cars now, automotive bills, it's all, you know, electronic systems and GPS. Yeah.

00:35:50.000 I'm not a techie guy, so excuse me if this is a really ignorant question, but, like, what's to stop somebody from hacking into your car and crashing you into a fucking wall? 0.95

00:35:57.000 Well, that was always the case against Michael, or the death of, against the death of Michael Hastings. 0.97

00:36:01.000 Yeah, they said the CIA. Yeah.

00:36:02.000 Yeah, I remember that.

00:36:03.000 Well, they don't know if the CIA or who, you know, but he wrote a story for Rolling Stone.

00:36:09.000 He was embedded in Iraq or Afghanistan, I forget.

00:36:12.000 And he wrote a story about this general.

00:36:15.000 It was very unflattering.

00:36:16.000 And what happened was he got stuck there with them and he lived with these people for a long time and they let their guard down. 0.99

00:36:22.000 And, you know, they said a bunch of shit they would say around each other. 0.99

00:36:25.000 They made a movie about it, didn't they? 1.00

00:36:26.000 I don't know.

00:36:27.000 Did they?

00:36:28.000 I don't know.

00:36:29.000 I don't know about that.

00:36:30.000 Maybe.

00:36:31.000 They might have.

00:36:31.000 But this general apparently got fired.

00:36:34.000 He was one of the best generals that, you know, it was like...

00:36:38.000 Very highly ranked.

00:36:39.000 And really respected by the troops.

00:36:42.000 And people were really, really pissed at this guy.

00:36:45.000 And he was starting to say that he was in danger, that his life was in danger.

00:36:51.000 And I think he even said something about if, for whatever reason he commits suicide, that he didn't do it.

00:37:00.000 He was driving his car and he drove straight into a tree at over 100 miles an hour.

00:37:06.000 I think it was on sunset.

00:37:07.000 His car exploded. 1.00

00:37:10.000 Engine flew from the car like crazy, horrific shit. 0.99

00:37:14.000 And then afterwards they talked to these computer experts and they said, well, is it possible? 0.99

00:37:20.000 To take a modern automobile with all sorts of...

00:37:23.000 There's all sorts of devices inside modern cars that make them hit the brakes if you're getting too close to something or literally move out of a lane.

00:37:32.000 Some of them have automatic pilot, so you could just fucking press the destination and it just navigates there.

00:37:38.000 I mean, that's what a Tesla does. 1.00

00:37:39.000 I saw a lot of those in Pittsburgh.

00:37:40.000 I was there some weeks back.

00:37:42.000 Teslas are crazy.

00:37:43.000 They have the self-driving Ubers up there.

00:37:44.000 And they're getting better and better and better at that.

00:37:49.000 Man.

00:37:53.000 I don't know.

00:37:54.000 I mean, where do you go from?

00:37:56.000 Next thing you know, they'll be trying to shoot humans through pneumatic tubes or something, you know?

00:38:00.000 But you think that people who kill people literally for a profession, right?

00:38:06.000 Professional soldiers, especially the ones that this guy, I mean, embedded in combat.

00:38:10.000 Mm-hmm.

00:38:11.000 I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility that they would light that guy up for getting that general booted out.

00:38:19.000 I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility at all.

00:38:21.000 They would think that guy's the enemy.

00:38:24.000 And they said that he had amphetamines in his system, and for a while I was like, oh, he had amphetamines.

00:38:29.000 Maybe he was going crazy. 0.99

00:38:30.000 Then I realized that almost all journalists are taking fucking Adderall. 1.00

00:38:34.000 They're all taking amphetamines. 0.99

00:38:35.000 You'll find amphetamines and meth-like substances in all of them.

00:38:39.000 Not all of them.

00:38:39.000 Don't get mad if you're straight.

00:38:42.000 Dude, all I drink is coffee. 1.00

00:38:43.000 Don't be a dick. 1.00

00:38:44.000 But a lot of them. 0.99

00:38:45.000 I have many friends that are writers or journalists.

00:38:48.000 I can think of two journalists that are friends of mine that both take a lot of Adderall. 1.00

00:38:52.000 They love that shit. 0.99

00:38:54.000 A good buddy of mine who's a doctor was just telling me that when he was in college and he was going through all of his examinations, his friends started taking Adderall. 1.00

00:39:03.000 And he recognized this giant jump in their performance. 0.99

00:39:06.000 And he was like, what the fuck? 0.99

00:39:08.000 He goes, they were smoking me in the grades. 1.00

00:39:09.000 And I realized, oh, these guys are on PEDs.

00:39:12.000 I never did it.

00:39:13.000 I've never tried it.

00:39:14.000 Want to try it right now?

00:39:15.000 Not really.

00:39:16.000 You and me together?

00:39:16.000 No, I kind of like to be down here.

00:39:20.000 You know what I mean?

00:39:20.000 I've never understood that.

00:39:23.000 I guess it never appealed to my disposition.

00:39:26.000 I don't think I would function.

00:39:27.000 If you wanted to build a log cabin right now.

00:39:29.000 Right now.

00:39:30.000 It might be the way to go.

00:39:31.000 Right.

00:39:32.000 Well, they said when Jack Kerouac rode on the road, they were on a lot of Benzedrine or inhalant things they used to buy.

00:39:39.000 And he sat down and wrote the whole thing in like three days.

00:39:42.000 Jesus Christ.

00:39:43.000 Or maybe a day.

00:39:44.000 I can't remember. 0.98

00:39:45.000 I'm not a beat aficionado, but I know that he was hopped out of his mind on speed and wrote the whole dang thing like in a scroll on a roof in Mexico while Ginsburg was probably downstairs molesting a little kid or some shit. 0.99

00:39:57.000 Jesus. 0.99

00:39:58.000 That's a dark picture.

00:39:59.000 Right?

00:40:03.000 There used to be...

00:40:04.000 What do you got there, Jeremy?

00:40:06.000 How a generation of beat writers burnt out on speed.

00:40:10.000 Wow.

00:40:11.000 There was a big pool scene in the 1970s.

00:40:14.000 Everybody was on speed back then.

00:40:16.000 Yeah, that's what I was going to say.

00:40:17.000 Pool players.

00:40:18.000 That was the thing with pool players back then, is that they would take speed and gamble.

00:40:25.000 When people first found out about speed, it must have been the most amazing thing ever.

00:40:29.000 Before they realized how it could wreck you, I mean, think about it.

00:40:32.000 There's no speed, and then all of a sudden, 10, 20 years later, everyone's on speed.

00:40:37.000 I mean, it happened out of nowhere.

00:40:38.000 There wasn't a bunch of speed burnouts that everybody could, like, look back on and go, oh, look at that guy over there, learn from him.

00:40:44.000 Like, especially, like, Adderall.

00:40:47.000 Like, there's no burnouts.

00:40:49.000 So everybody's just been taking it for a few years.

00:40:51.000 A few years, yeah.

00:40:52.000 Like, how long has it been around?

00:40:53.000 20 years?

00:40:53.000 Maybe?

00:40:54.000 As long as, uh...

00:40:55.000 How long do you think Adderall's been around, Jamie?

00:40:58.000 Yeah, probably after Ritalin, probably, right?

00:41:00.000 So, yeah, 15, 20 years max.

00:41:02.000 15, 20 years?

00:41:03.000 It was invented at the same time as gluten.

00:41:05.000 LAUGHTER Kerouac took so much amphetamine when he first discovered the inhaler high that he'd lost most of his hair and his legs swelled up with, what is that word, thrombophlebitis.

00:41:22.000 Thrombophlebitis.

00:41:23.000 That seems like he went overboard.

00:41:26.000 A little bit.

00:41:26.000 Saying he went deep.

00:41:30.000 Do you know who that beardy man guy is?

00:41:32.000 He does electronic music.

00:41:35.000 What do they call those?

00:41:37.000 EM artists?

00:41:38.000 What do they call them?

00:41:39.000 EDM. EDM. What do they call those guys?

00:41:42.000 He's got a beard.

00:41:45.000 Greg Fitzsimmons and I were going over Hunter S. Thompson's routine before he would write and he would just start off early in the morning drinking.

00:41:53.000 Oh, the whole laundry list leading up until start work at midnight?

00:41:56.000 Yeah, at midnight Hunter S. Thompson is ready to write. 0.99

00:41:58.000 I'm like, holy shit. 0.97

00:42:00.000 But him, same thing, right? 1.00

00:42:01.000 His body just gave out, man.

00:42:02.000 His body was just falling apart by the time he's dying. 1.00

00:42:05.000 He just burnt that fucking thing to a crisp. 1.00

00:42:08.000 Well, they didn't know what we know now. 1.00

00:42:09.000 Damn. 0.99

00:42:10.000 You know, those guys were riding the lightning and they never thought there'd be any... 0.99

00:42:14.000 Yeah, but I think with Hunter it didn't matter.

00:42:16.000 Whether or not he knew.

00:42:17.000 He would have done the exact same thing anyway.

00:42:20.000 Like, he was of a mindset that he's like, he's not here for a long time.

00:42:26.000 He's here for a good time.

00:42:27.000 Right.

00:42:27.000 And that's what he did.

00:42:29.000 And there's, I mean, that's why people love that guy. 0.99

00:42:32.000 It's one of the main, not just because of his brilliant writing, but because that motherfucker went for it. 0.99

00:42:37.000 And then when it was all over, he said, yep, this ain't fine anymore. 0.99

00:42:40.000 You take care. 1.00

00:42:41.000 Put a gun to his head. 1.00

00:42:42.000 And that's a wrap. 1.00

00:42:44.000 Told everybody he was going to do it, too.

00:42:46.000 Said, hey, I'm gonna get to a point where I don't like this anymore.

00:42:49.000 I got fake hips now, can't move, always in pain.

00:42:53.000 That's a wrap.

00:42:54.000 Take care.

00:42:55.000 Boom! 0.99

00:42:57.000 The second you can't walk up or down a few flights of stairs by yourself, that's kind of when it's over, you know?

00:43:02.000 For a lot of people, yeah.

00:43:03.000 A lot of people manage to still find some reason to keep going and enjoy themselves and, you know, and they're fine.

00:43:11.000 But it's like when you're a guy that's just still hitting it hard every day.

00:43:17.000 He never got...

00:43:17.000 He never sobered up.

00:43:19.000 There was no sobering up.

00:43:20.000 At what point, though, is that...

00:43:22.000 Sad?

00:43:24.000 Yeah.

00:43:24.000 When is...

00:43:25.000 I mean, there's obviously a pretty inherent level of self-medication going on to get through the day so you don't wake up and blow your brains out.

00:43:32.000 Right.

00:43:32.000 You know?

00:43:33.000 Yeah.

00:43:36.000 Maybe it was just me.

00:43:37.000 I don't know.

00:43:38.000 I think with a guy like him, his path was probably pretty clearly carved from the time he was very young.

00:43:56.000 I mean, the thing that's so interesting about him is that he was so genuinely thoughtful. 0.99

00:44:01.000 Like, you really did think about shit. 0.98

00:44:02.000 Oh, he's one of the greatest writers of our time, no question. 1.00

00:44:05.000 And a Kentuckian, so...

00:44:07.000 Yeah, there you go.

00:44:08.000 It's gotta be alright.

00:44:09.000 Yeah.

00:44:10.000 I read a lot of it, but I read it way too early, because, you know, when you're...

00:44:13.000 I was one of those kids that got just...

00:44:14.000 I had older cousins. 1.00

00:44:15.000 You get exposed to all that shit. 1.00

00:44:17.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:44:17.000 And it was too soon, you know. 1.00

00:44:20.000 Probably high school when I read...

00:44:24.000 The campaign trail thing, the Nixon book, Shark Hunt.

00:44:27.000 Yeah, that was a great one.

00:44:30.000 His documentary, you ever see that Gonzo, The Life of the Times? 0.96

00:44:35.000 Fucking amazing. 0.96

00:44:36.000 You want to just do something with your life after you watch that. 0.99

00:44:41.000 Not to...

00:44:43.000 I don't know.

00:44:44.000 I don't have any friends that wave 44 Magnums around in their living room, though. 1.00

00:44:48.000 It's not good.

00:44:48.000 You're right.

00:44:49.000 100%.

00:44:49.000 I would go to that party.

00:44:52.000 Don't get me wrong. 0.99

00:44:53.000 I'd go to that party, too, but you might get shot.

00:44:55.000 I wouldn't move in.

00:44:56.000 No.

00:44:57.000 No.

00:44:58.000 No.

00:44:59.000 You'd go to the party.

00:45:00.000 Johnny Depp moved in for, like, what, six weeks or so?

00:45:02.000 He moved in, yeah.

00:45:03.000 He went all the way.

00:45:04.000 They went all the way.

00:45:05.000 He sort of had to, though.

00:45:06.000 I wonder if he cooked Johnny Depp's brain.

00:45:08.000 I wonder if that's when Johnny Depp started going wacky. 1.00

00:45:10.000 Holy shit, it probably is. 0.97

00:45:11.000 I'm going to spread a conspiracy theory. 0.99

00:45:13.000 Johnny Depp was reasonable and calm and polite and had his shit completely together until he did too much acid with Hunter S. Thompson, and that's why he's wacky now. 0.75

00:45:23.000 What do you think? 0.95

00:45:24.000 I don't know.

00:45:25.000 It's not outside the realm of possibility.

00:45:26.000 He's from Kentucky, too, so I'm not going to say anything bad about you. 0.99

00:45:28.000 Damn, it's a full Kentucky house. 0.98

00:45:30.000 Did you ever read the Kentucky Derby is Decadent and Depraved? 0.99

00:45:34.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:45:35.000 And it still holds true.

00:45:37.000 Oh, it's an amazing book.

00:45:39.000 Or amazing article, rather.

00:45:40.000 Well, that was where he sort of really found the style.

00:45:43.000 That piece in particular was where he was like, I'm going to go over here and do this.

00:45:47.000 Yeah, there was definitely that.

00:45:49.000 And then that fear and loathing in Las Vegas thing, too, where that started out.

00:45:52.000 He was being paid to cover a motorcycle race. 0.99

00:45:55.000 It became this just fucking crazy screed about drugs and partying. 0.99

00:46:00.000 And we were outside of Barstow and the drugs began to take hold. 1.00

00:46:04.000 And it's fucking bats in the air and shit. 0.99

00:46:06.000 They're driving a convertible Cadillac across the country, headed to Vegas. 1.00

00:46:10.000 I mean, it's a fucking amazing, amazing piece of work. 0.96

00:46:13.000 And it started out as a Sports Illustrated story. 0.98

00:46:16.000 They wanted him to cover a race. 0.99

00:46:18.000 And also a very, you know, fitting and beautiful eulogy to the whole 60s flower power shit that just caved on itself. 0.99

00:46:26.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:46:27.000 There's that one line, too. 1.00

00:46:29.000 A bunch of fucking quitters, man. 0.99

00:46:31.000 Well, what do you think happened with them? 1.00

00:46:33.000 I think they took away their pot, they took away the acid, and they arrested a bunch of people.

00:46:37.000 They definitely clamped down, and then, you know, you have a few college student massacres, and, you know, the sensationalization of the Manson murders probably didn't help.

00:46:51.000 Right, sure.

00:46:52.000 That became like a big narrative piece.

00:46:54.000 Hippies, LSD, Manson, yeah, it was all tied in. 0.97

00:47:01.000 But musically, since I should stick to talking about things I know about, which is music, I think that that was probably just the best shit that ever happened and ever will happen. 0.52

00:47:10.000 Like that 65 to 70, it just sort of exploded in all different directions and a lot of things happened that maybe they couldn't happen now. 0.79

00:47:22.000 Or even two decades ago that couldn't have happened.

00:47:25.000 As a musician, what do you think was the catalyst?

00:47:26.000 Like what made them go from the 50s sound to the 60s?

00:47:30.000 Just experimentation and mind, whatever, you know, looking for different ways of life.

00:47:38.000 Right.

00:47:39.000 Philosophically speaking, maybe I think what they were all writing about.

00:47:42.000 But I mean, and then some guys were just pushing the sonic limitations of the studio.

00:47:46.000 Like Hendrix didn't really do that much drugs.

00:47:49.000 You know what I mean?

00:47:49.000 The guy was all just about like, I mean, yeah, he partied, but he wasn't like a druggie.

00:47:54.000 You know, he probably ate acid on stage a couple times and both of those I think he was spiked.

00:47:58.000 Really?

00:47:59.000 Yeah, he was just a serious blues head and they wanted to stretch out and really push what the limitations of the gear at that time in the studio, you know, Well, I don't only want to have eight channels.

00:48:11.000 What if we had 16?

00:48:12.000 Some of the experimentation and things that guys like him and Pink Floyd and later bands, you know, ALO, just really pushing the parameters of what you could do with a traditional style of music in terms of arrangement and how you frame that.

00:48:28.000 I always assumed that because he got arrested in Toronto with heroin, That he did drugs.

00:48:34.000 I feel like if you have heroin on you...

00:48:36.000 Did he get busted?

00:48:37.000 I thought it was barbiturates or...

00:48:39.000 That's a good question.

00:48:40.000 I'm pretty sure it was heroin.

00:48:41.000 I don't think he ever...

00:48:42.000 I could be wrong, man.

00:48:43.000 You might be right.

00:48:44.000 You might be right.

00:48:46.000 Acadia says a small amount of heroin and hashish.

00:48:49.000 Huh.

00:48:50.000 That's Chasing the Dragon.

00:48:51.000 Yeah, see, so when I read that, I'm like, hmm, how much do we know about what Jimi Hendrix did during his day?

00:48:57.000 Like, people don't know how high I'm getting.

00:49:00.000 How would they know?

00:49:02.000 I mean, if they see us get high on this show, they know how high I got today.

00:49:05.000 But they don't even, because I could get high before I go running.

00:49:08.000 I might get high when I'm sitting home to write.

00:49:11.000 I have people tell me that I'm high when I'm not even high.

00:49:15.000 Yeah, but you probably are a little.

00:49:16.000 No, I just have really sleepy hound dog eyes.

00:49:19.000 I always look high, but whatever, it doesn't matter.

00:49:24.000 Jimmy liked... 1.00

00:49:27.000 He was into some weird shit. 1.00

00:49:28.000 I know he had this thing about filming women walking away from the hotel. 1.00

00:49:34.000 They found this big collection of home movies of him hanging out off hotel room balconies.

00:49:41.000 As they walked away?

00:49:42.000 As they walked away.

00:49:44.000 That was some kind of weird fetish.

00:49:47.000 What is that?

00:49:48.000 He was not guilty on the charges.

00:49:49.000 They don't know that...

00:49:50.000 They might have been planted on him.

00:49:52.000 Oh, interesting.

00:49:53.000 They're not sure if there actually is.

00:49:54.000 Interesting.

00:49:55.000 Interesting.

00:49:56.000 It said he had no drug paraphernalia in his luggage or needle tracks on his arms.

00:50:00.000 No.

00:50:01.000 He smoked pot, but he didn't like... 0.99

00:50:02.000 Oh, they might have fucking framed him. 0.99

00:50:05.000 The plot thickens. 0.99

00:50:05.000 That dude was too creative and prolific, just in the amount of time he was alive, to have been a junkie. 0.99

00:50:12.000 You know what I mean?

00:50:13.000 Yeah.

00:50:13.000 You gotta...

00:50:15.000 You gotta make a junkie get up and do shit. 1.00

00:50:17.000 That's true. 1.00

00:50:18.000 But they say that about potheads, too.

00:50:20.000 But I know a lot of pretty prolific potheads.

00:50:22.000 I don't buy that.

00:50:23.000 I don't either.

00:50:24.000 Smoking pot gets me off the couch.

00:50:25.000 Yeah, right?

00:50:26.000 It makes you a little paranoid.

00:50:27.000 Totally. 0.99

00:50:27.000 Yeah, like, I gotta get some shit done. 0.99

00:50:29.000 Well, you know. 0.96

00:50:31.000 Like, I'm maybe not working hard enough.

00:50:32.000 It makes me feel like that. 0.93

00:50:33.000 Like, I could be getting more shit done. 0.97

00:50:35.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:50:36.000 They said Lennon actually, you know, when he was on heroin for a while, but that motherfucker laid in bed with like 18 cats, you know, and it didn't do anything. 0.95

00:50:44.000 And then they said Paul would be like, oh, I've got some songs, we've got to make a record. 0.98

00:50:47.000 And he'd be like, goddammit, wake up, I have to write five songs in a week.

00:50:50.000 Oh, really? 0.98

00:50:51.000 Because he just, they said he'd just lay around like a sloth, butt naked, and tell all the maids to pretend like he wasn't there when he walked through the kitchen butt naked to get a glass of milk. 0.99

00:51:02.000 Wow. 0.99

00:51:03.000 You couldn't do that anymore.

00:51:04.000 They'd take your house. 1.00

00:51:05.000 Yeah.

00:51:05.000 That means you'd be fired.

00:51:06.000 You couldn't even make an arrangement.

00:51:08.000 Well, you can make an arrangement the other way, though.

00:51:09.000 There's like a topless maid service. 1.00

00:51:11.000 They come over to your house and they take their top off.

00:51:13.000 See, that just seems weird.

00:51:14.000 It's definitely weird.

00:51:15.000 I don't know.

00:51:16.000 I would be like, ah.

00:51:17.000 Imagine the people that those poor ladies have to deal with on a daily. 1.00

00:51:20.000 Fuck, man. 1.00

00:51:21.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:51:21.000 That ain't a good time. 1.00

00:51:23.000 But you could have a topless maid service, but you couldn't have a you come over and wash the house while I'm naked deal. 1.00

00:51:31.000 Because if it's your house and you're naked and they're walking around your house, then you're forcing them to look at you naked.

00:51:36.000 Right?

00:51:37.000 I would think that that's not legal.

00:51:39.000 Yeah, people are losing their careers over there right now.

00:51:41.000 Yeah, you can't do that.

00:51:42.000 You're really not supposed to do that. 1.00

00:51:43.000 Yeah, but in the old days, like a king who didn't give a fuck, he would just stroll around and let everyone look at his cock and walk right through the fucking building. 1.00

00:51:51.000 Wouldn't give a shit. 1.00

00:51:52.000 Have your head chopped off if you didn't have sex with him. 1.00

00:51:55.000 I would not want to live in those times. 1.00

00:51:57.000 I've been watching a lot of Vikings.

00:51:58.000 I haven't seen it, man. 1.00

00:52:00.000 I feel like four people tell me to watch that shit. 0.99

00:52:02.000 I don't have time. 0.99

00:52:03.000 I didn't believe them.

00:52:04.000 I didn't believe them.

00:52:05.000 I'm like, there's no way.

00:52:06.000 It's on regular TV. Is it that good?

00:52:07.000 It's fucking good. 0.99

00:52:08.000 Really? 0.99

00:52:08.000 It's a good show. 0.99

00:52:09.000 You have to get through the first couple episodes.

00:52:11.000 First couple episodes, you're a little like, what?

00:52:14.000 Yeah.

00:52:15.000 My buddy Ferg's all about it.

00:52:16.000 He's like, man, you gotta get on this Vikings show, man.

00:52:18.000 They have to set things up.

00:52:19.000 That's the problem with shows.

00:52:20.000 You're a little skeptical until you get to know everybody, and then you get the feeling of the characters, and then you get sucked in.

00:52:26.000 That's why binge-watching is so awesome.

00:52:29.000 Binge watching is great, especially if you're a touring musician.

00:52:33.000 Oh yeah, right? 0.97

00:52:34.000 I can never get into shows when they come out because I'll see a couple episodes and then we go on tour for two months and you're like, what the fuck happened?

00:52:41.000 But now I can come home and just...

00:52:44.000 You know, watch a season of something in a day while I'm recuperating.

00:52:49.000 Yeah.

00:52:50.000 My wife's pretty... 1.00

00:52:51.000 She knows what, like, the good shows, the programs and shit. 0.98

00:52:54.000 Like, I wouldn't know what to watch, but I've found a lot of things. 0.88

00:52:57.000 Have you seen Stranger Things?

00:52:58.000 I saw the first season.

00:53:00.000 Or, no, I did see...

00:53:01.000 Yeah, we saw those.

00:53:03.000 What about Ozark?

00:53:05.000 Saw that. 1.00

00:53:06.000 Fuck yeah. 1.00

00:53:06.000 I like Bateman. 1.00

00:53:07.000 That's a good one. 1.00

00:53:08.000 I like that sardonic shit. 1.00

00:53:09.000 There's a new one coming out with Jared Leto. 1.00

00:53:13.000 But the Yakuza?

00:53:14.000 Or is it a movie?

00:53:15.000 It's a movie.

00:53:16.000 It's a movie on Netflix.

00:53:17.000 Yeah.

00:53:18.000 He joins the Yakuza.

00:53:20.000 Most handsomest white-looking Yakuza guy ever. 0.91

00:53:24.000 Perfect features.

00:53:25.000 Right.

00:53:25.000 Because that happens all the time.

00:53:27.000 It's happening in this movie, bro.

00:53:28.000 How about to spend a little disbelief for Jared Leto? 0.99

00:53:30.000 They're just walking around Shinjuku looking for white dudes to fucking run shop, you know? 0.99

00:53:36.000 Do you think he's learned how to speak Japanese? 0.99

00:53:39.000 I hope so.

00:53:40.000 It's going to be pretty weird if he doesn't.

00:53:41.000 It's beautiful.

00:53:43.000 He's prettier than most women. 1.00

00:53:45.000 Oh, he's prettier than a lot of women, man. 1.00

00:53:46.000 If you put him in like a long-haired wig type situation, it's beautiful.

00:53:52.000 There he goes.

00:53:53.000 We going to look at pictures of Jared Leto now?

00:53:55.000 Is he supposed to be half Japanese?

00:53:57.000 Is that the premise of the show?

00:53:59.000 Oh, I better not be.

00:54:00.000 Because he's got his hair dyed.

00:54:01.000 They can't do that anymore. 1.00

00:54:02.000 That shit is cultural appropriation. 0.99

00:54:04.000 You're not allowed to anymore. 1.00

00:54:05.000 But how else is a white dude gonna get in Yakuza? 0.65

00:54:08.000 He's gotta be like a catch there.

00:54:10.000 I think he was a soldier that was friends with a guy and he stayed over there to help him. 0.99

00:54:14.000 Like if you have a movie today and you have a Chinese character in a movie but you have a Japanese guy play the Chinese character, you're fucked. 0.99

00:54:21.000 Right? 0.99

00:54:22.000 People will get angry.

00:54:24.000 You can't do it anymore.

00:54:26.000 No more pretending you're someone else.

00:54:30.000 Unless you're Robert Downey Jr. Yeah, he could get away with it, but not anymore.

00:54:35.000 He got away with it in that one movie. 0.96

00:54:38.000 But, like, if you were an Asian guy, though, I firmly believe no one would have a problem if they took an Asian guy and gave him some sort of facial prosthetics that turned him into a European-looking guy, and then gave him lead roles in a movie where he plays a European guy, people would have to shut the fuck up. 0.68

00:54:55.000 They would want to say something, But then they go... 0.76

00:54:59.000 It's amazing how far...

00:55:01.000 We watch a lot of movies on the bus sometimes. 0.99

00:55:04.000 If I'm at home and I'm by myself, I watch weird shit. 0.77

00:55:09.000 I like old films and a lot of old westerns and stuff. 0.99

00:55:12.000 I watch the same movies I've seen a hundred times over and over as opposed to watching a lot of the newer shit. 0.98

00:55:19.000 We do watch a lot of these old westerns from the 50s, and it's like, it's all white dudes painted up like Native American Indians with the headdress, and it just looks so cheesy, and they have these affected, horrible accents, and you're just like, how the fuck did that ever happen? 0.99

00:55:34.000 But then you get to the 80s, and you watch something like 48 Hours now, and it's the most sexist, racist, misogynistic shit, and they were just pumping those things out of studios two or three decades ago. 0.96

00:55:49.000 Any female characters in those films, you're either Hooker 1 or Secretary at Precinct who everybody dismisses. 1.00

00:55:57.000 Those were the only roles.

00:56:00.000 Yeah, that just happened.

00:56:03.000 That's when we were kids.

00:56:04.000 Yeah, when we were kids.

00:56:06.000 That movie I just called out specifically, we watched it on the bus one night. 0.91

00:56:10.000 We were all like, this would never fucking get made now, man. 0.93

00:56:13.000 There's no way. 0.96

00:56:14.000 So much would never get made.

00:56:16.000 It's weird.

00:56:18.000 I mean, is that cultural evolution?

00:56:20.000 I think so.

00:56:21.000 I mean, I hope so.

00:56:22.000 There's a little bit of it, but it's happening at such a rapid rate. 0.99

00:56:25.000 I hope it's all not just like catchphrases and shit. 0.95

00:56:26.000 I hope it's actually doing something. 0.65

00:56:29.000 I have weird ideas about this.

00:56:32.000 I really feel like if we weren't completely embedded in it, that we would look at this as like a system that's pulling us into its web and And forcing us to be more and more entangled.

00:56:49.000 And this system is the system of electronics.

00:56:53.000 It's like almost like it's preparing for us to give birth to artificial life.

00:56:58.000 And so in the meantime, it's completely sucking us in and making us be completely embedded.

00:57:05.000 Phones in your pocket, constant Alexa listening to everything you do.

00:57:08.000 It's all just as deep as it can in the biological systems world until it gives birth.

00:57:14.000 We're going to force it into existence just by being completely fascinated with electronics.

00:57:21.000 Are we?

00:57:22.000 Is it the universe forcing it into existence?

00:57:25.000 That too.

00:57:25.000 I think it's a natural thing.

00:57:27.000 I've always described it as like a...

00:57:28.000 It's figured out a way to interconnect itself even more, man.

00:57:32.000 Yeah, it has.

00:57:33.000 With data.

00:57:34.000 Yeah, and force progress.

00:57:36.000 Think about what they were saying about Putin.

00:57:39.000 If Putin really does have that kind of missile... 0.99

00:57:41.000 But sooner or later, it's fucking Skynet, man. 0.99

00:57:42.000 It sure is. 1.00

00:57:44.000 There you go.

00:57:46.000 But if someone has that kind of power, if there really is something that a person can think up that didn't exist 200 years ago.

00:57:53.000 200 years ago, there wasn't even the thought of it.

00:57:55.000 So in 200 years, two small amounts of measurement of time in relationship to the entire age of the universe, they could figure out a way to kill every person on the planet.

00:58:06.000 Like that.

00:58:07.000 Literally wreck the planet where no life would be.

00:58:10.000 It wouldn't be possible to have life.

00:58:11.000 There's enough nuclear bombs to do that. 0.82

00:58:15.000 What is it going to be like in 200 years from now?

00:58:18.000 It's going to be way, way, way, way, way more accelerated.

00:58:22.000 It's almost going to get to the point where the universe It's going to be a place where you could visit.

00:58:29.000 People can go places.

00:58:30.000 If not people, things can go places.

00:58:32.000 As long as I'm holding a lightsaber before I die.

00:58:36.000 Oh, you'll get one of those. 0.99

00:58:36.000 It's all fucking worth it. 0.99

00:58:37.000 But the problem with the lightsaber is I was always like, well, why does it end there? 0.96

00:58:40.000 Why doesn't it just go on for infinity like a laser?

00:58:43.000 Oh, yeah, right?

00:58:43.000 Why is it only three and a half feet long?

00:58:45.000 Yeah, what's it doing?

00:58:46.000 Unless it was a rod and then the laser went around the rod but it knew to stop at the top.

00:58:51.000 That would make sense. 0.94

00:58:53.000 But the fact that the laser only extends three feet or whatever it does, get the fuck out of here.

00:58:58.000 George Lucas was a big Kurosawa fan.

00:59:00.000 Was he?

00:59:00.000 Yeah.

00:59:01.000 All that shit's based on samurai films. 0.99

00:59:03.000 Oh, that's right. 1.00

00:59:04.000 And Leone films.

00:59:06.000 All those guys are just like generations of dudes paying homage and ripping each other off that lead to the new thing.

00:59:11.000 It's the same as music.

00:59:13.000 Wow.

00:59:14.000 Well, Quentin Tarantino's always been pretty open about that, right?

00:59:17.000 He makes unapologetic, like, cinematic homages right down to framing shots and scores.

00:59:24.000 Like, he's a...

00:59:24.000 Yeah.

00:59:25.000 Does it masterfully, though.

00:59:27.000 Like, isn't it...

00:59:28.000 What are you doing when you're remaking King Kong?

00:59:31.000 Making money.

00:59:32.000 Yeah, you're making money.

00:59:33.000 Making a lot of money.

00:59:34.000 But if you do it right...

00:59:36.000 You're making art.

00:59:37.000 I don't think anybody's done King Kong right.

00:59:39.000 Nobody's done King Kong right.

00:59:40.000 You might not be able to do King Kong right.

00:59:41.000 Maybe it's a bad example.

00:59:42.000 But the Hulk. 0.99

00:59:43.000 The CGI shit, for me, man, it really took the magic out of everything. 0.99

00:59:47.000 That with HD, because you watch Harry and the Hendersons with your kids now or something, and that looks better than a lot of the stuff coming out. 0.99

00:59:54.000 It's just, I don't know.

00:59:55.000 The suspension of disbelief isn't there. 0.54

00:59:58.000 HDTV just fucking ruined movies for me, because I'm like... 0.99

01:00:01.000 Get the fuck out of here. 1.00

01:00:02.000 It's fake as fuck. 1.00

01:00:04.000 Give me some VHS. It's better. 1.00

01:00:07.000 Blur the lines a little bit.

01:00:09.000 Yeah.

01:00:09.000 Like digital music, same thing.

01:00:11.000 You hear all that separation and air and sterilization, I guess, is the best way to put it.

01:00:18.000 Yeah.

01:00:18.000 I think it definitely works that way for physical things.

01:00:21.000 It's one of the reasons why the original Alien movie was so terrifying.

01:00:24.000 It was a physical thing. 0.99

01:00:25.000 Oh, fucking... 1.00

01:00:27.000 Or the first Halloween. 1.00

01:00:29.000 There's no blood in that film.

01:00:31.000 It's just tension and dread and anxiety.

01:00:34.000 Real people. 1.00

01:00:35.000 And some crazy fuck running around in a William Shatner mask. 1.00

01:00:40.000 Even in American Werewolf in London, which is quick scenes. 0.99

01:00:43.000 John Carpenter, also from Kentucky.

01:00:44.000 Was he really?

01:00:45.000 Yep. 1.00

01:00:46.000 Damn, Kentucky. 1.00

01:00:47.000 And Muhammad Ali. 1.00

01:00:49.000 Yeah, we don't fuck with that. 1.00

01:00:49.000 Louisville. 1.00

01:00:50.000 Yeah.

01:00:50.000 Abraham Lincoln.

01:00:51.000 Daniel Boone. 1.00

01:00:53.000 Damn. 1.00

01:00:55.000 Harry Dean Stanton. 1.00

01:00:58.000 Well, imagine the Daniel Boone days.

01:01:01.000 Imagine being...

01:01:02.000 Brother, I don't have to imagine where I live now.

01:01:05.000 It's like Daniel Boone days.

01:01:07.000 I walk out and it's like, yup.

01:01:10.000 There's some caves down, we moved to the Smokies, where they just give land away down there.

01:01:17.000 Really? 0.99

01:01:19.000 Yeah, like fucking... 1.00

01:01:22.000 My own woods now for less than what a townhouse in Nashville would cost. 0.99

01:01:26.000 But the people who bought it from me found a cave on the back of the property down.

01:01:31.000 We kind of back up to this national forest and there's a bunch of like 3,000 year old Indian cave paintings in there.

01:01:39.000 Like Native American cave paintings.

01:01:40.000 The University of Chicago came down and studied it all. 0.99

01:01:43.000 So now I'm going to spend the rest of my life trying to figure out how to keep my fucking kids from going in there and doing something, you know. 0.99

01:01:49.000 Right, and Dick was here. 1.00

01:01:50.000 Yeah, we're drawing big cock and balls on the Indians. 1.00

01:01:54.000 But here's the thing. 0.99

01:01:56.000 That cock and balls would be revered by people who have found it 2,000 years from now. 0.99

01:02:00.000 Why do we say it? 0.99

01:02:01.000 Yeah.

01:02:01.000 I mean, if you went to a cave 2,000 years from now, and they uncovered some cave, and it was a bunch of dudes just drawing guys jerking off, people would be excited.

01:02:11.000 They'd be like, well, this was 3,000 years later.

01:02:13.000 What happened?

01:02:14.000 Yeah.

01:02:15.000 Well, if you look at some of the ancient artwork, right? 0.92

01:02:18.000 Like, how about some of the Roman statues where dudes are grabbing each other's dicks and wrestling?

01:02:21.000 Do you ever see that? 0.90

01:02:22.000 Really?

01:02:22.000 I haven't seen that.

01:02:23.000 Yeah.

01:02:24.000 They were wrestling, and in the process of wrestling, one dude's grabbing the other guy's junk, which they did do. 1.00

01:02:30.000 They'd crush your balls and shit. 1.00

01:02:31.000 That was a move back then. 1.00

01:02:34.000 And so...

01:02:34.000 Well, let's be honest.

01:02:35.000 Like, in a real fight...

01:02:37.000 Yeah, it's a move.

01:02:37.000 That's a move.

01:02:38.000 It is a move.

01:02:38.000 It's a way to go.

01:02:39.000 It's definitely the way to go.

01:02:40.000 If you crush a man's taters or take away his ability to breathe, the fight's pretty much over.

01:02:44.000 There was actually an MMA fight where that took place back when there was no rules.

01:02:48.000 There was a guy named The Pedro, and he was fighting a guy named Big Daddy Goodrich. 0.99

01:02:52.000 And Big Daddy reached into his pants and grabbed a hole in his cock and balls and crushed it in his hand. 1.00

01:02:57.000 See this guy? 1.00

01:02:58.000 What the fuck? 1.00

01:02:59.000 He's just grabbing dicks, man. 1.00

01:03:00.000 The guy on the bottom is grabbing a dick. 1.00

01:03:02.000 He's holding that guy's hog. 1.00

01:03:05.000 It's rude.

01:03:05.000 But that's how they wrestled back then.

01:03:07.000 They didn't give a fuck. 1.00

01:03:09.000 The dick was something you could also hold on to. 1.00

01:03:12.000 You can hold on to the foot. 1.00

01:03:13.000 Why can't you hold on to the dick? 1.00

01:03:15.000 So they were yanking on dicks and pulling people along. 1.00

01:03:18.000 Boy, they really turned it up back then, didn't they? 0.99

01:03:20.000 They had to.

01:03:21.000 How long were they living?

01:03:22.000 You know? 0.99

01:03:23.000 I mean, if you were one of these bad motherfucker wrestler dudes, how much time did you have to be that guy? 1.00

01:03:27.000 I'd go grab some dick and roll around in the dirt and then I'd go eat some grapes and have a giant orgy and watch a lion eat my friend later on today. 1.00

01:03:34.000 That's a day. 1.00

01:03:35.000 Look at the apple on the end of that guy's dick. 1.00

01:03:37.000 Jesus Christ. 1.00

01:03:38.000 Look at the size of his hog. 0.71

01:03:40.000 If that was real, he was hard. 0.99

01:03:41.000 This is sex then.

01:03:43.000 This is not fight for the death.

01:03:44.000 That guy's getting off on that. 1.00

01:03:45.000 Or, if he doesn't, If he's not getting hard, and that's just how big his dick is when it's soft. 0.99

01:03:52.000 This is not at all where I thought we would end up today on my way over here. 0.99

01:03:56.000 But it has to be said.

01:03:57.000 Last time I think we talked about Bigfoot.

01:04:00.000 Yeah, no new opinions on that.

01:04:04.000 Oh, I got a Bigfoot story.

01:04:07.000 Really?

01:04:07.000 No, I think I already told it.

01:04:08.000 I think...

01:04:10.000 Did I? When I used to live out west a long time ago, my buddy and mine were driving up to this little town called Leavenworth, Washington to go check out this weird little Aspen Swedish ski town in fucking northern Washington where you go get your potato soup. 0.94

01:04:26.000 That's another story, though. 0.84

01:04:40.000 Yeah.

01:04:41.000 Yeah.

01:04:51.000 It was this old Sasquatch statue.

01:04:54.000 That's where I remembered it from.

01:04:55.000 I was like, that looks just like this thing from there.

01:04:57.000 Right there.

01:04:58.000 Yep.

01:04:59.000 And, no, that's not...

01:05:00.000 That's badass, though.

01:05:02.000 Is there a lot of Bigfoot sightings out there?

01:05:05.000 Well...

01:05:06.000 Funny you should mention that.

01:05:09.000 We're stopping and we're getting coffee from this lady. 1.00

01:05:12.000 And I'm like, you know, whatever, trying to talk about the statue from the movie.

01:05:15.000 She's like, yeah, they stopped and filmed here.

01:05:17.000 And then she pulls out these, she had these old photo books, like family photo albums, like huge photo albums, two or three of them at least, full of Polaroids.

01:05:27.000 Of Sasquatch that her family had taken in this house, supposedly.

01:05:32.000 It's the greatest idea to sell coffee ever.

01:05:34.000 Polaroids!

01:05:35.000 Like photographs. 1.00

01:05:36.000 Like fucking old... 0.99

01:05:38.000 Of a real Sasquatch. 1.00

01:05:39.000 Of photos of...

01:05:40.000 How bad they look.

01:05:41.000 That's what she really wanted us to think.

01:05:43.000 Right.

01:05:43.000 Yeah.

01:05:44.000 There were just so many of them.

01:05:46.000 I remember thinking, like, God, she really went to some trouble here, man.

01:05:50.000 Because there was, like, giant photo albums of Sasquatch.

01:05:53.000 And they were all Sasquatch photos.

01:05:55.000 They'd taken off their back porch or out the windows of the house.

01:05:58.000 Because they lived, like, right off the side of the road. 0.98

01:06:00.000 And it was just fucking wilderness, you know? 0.99

01:06:04.000 That's my Sasquatch story. 0.99

01:06:05.000 Was there any of them that made you go, hmm? 0.99

01:06:07.000 Not a damn one. 0.98

01:06:09.000 I don't believe in Bigfoot. 0.97

01:06:12.000 It definitely used to be a real thing.

01:06:15.000 That's what I think.

01:06:16.000 You think at one time it definitely existed and they're all gone now.

01:06:19.000 There's an animal called the Gigantopithecus.

01:06:21.000 Right.

01:06:21.000 You know about that one, right?

01:06:22.000 That was a real thing.

01:06:23.000 So that was basically a Bigfoot.

01:06:25.000 It was an eight foot tall...

01:06:27.000 Gigantic bipedal ape.

01:06:29.000 So they know that that was real.

01:06:31.000 So if that was real, it's entirely possible that one of them made it across the Bering landmass with human beings.

01:06:36.000 Entirely possible.

01:06:38.000 Because they were from Asia, and they were from Asia right around... 0.98

01:06:41.000 A Yeti.

01:06:42.000 Yeah, Yeti.

01:06:43.000 Yeah, Yeti, Neanderthal, I mean Sasquatch, there's like a bunch of different names for them, but it was a real animal that lived, I think they found bones that were as recent as 100,000 years.

01:06:57.000 So anatomically modern humans definitely lived in the presence of this thing.

01:07:03.000 So what do you attribute all the sightings to in the last five years? 0.99

01:07:05.000 Bullshit. 1.00

01:07:05.000 Hurt bears. 1.00

01:07:07.000 Bears hurt their paw.

01:07:08.000 They walk on hind feet.

01:07:10.000 They do it all the time. 1.00

01:07:11.000 I think most of it's bullshit. 0.99

01:07:12.000 The reason I say that is because there's no real compelling evidence other than like a couple of footprints that you think someone could have faked. 0.99

01:07:18.000 You actually had a show for a while.

01:07:20.000 You wanted to talk to all these crazy folks, right?

01:07:22.000 Yeah.

01:07:23.000 Were you ever at any time, like, this guy might have saw something?

01:07:27.000 One lady, I think, saw something. 0.56

01:07:28.000 I don't think she was lying.

01:07:29.000 But I think she probably saw a wounded bear.

01:07:31.000 And she saw it very briefly. 0.99

01:07:32.000 And the problem, the real problem with people's memory, especially in some situation that freaks you out, like you think you might have saw a Sasquatch, your brain starts fucking with you. 1.00

01:07:42.000 It starts filling in the blanks with a bunch of shit. 0.99

01:07:44.000 And then you start repeating that shit as if it's the actual... 1.00

01:07:47.000 There's a name for that. 0.99

01:07:48.000 Yeah, I don't know what it is.

01:07:50.000 But I would imagine if you're...

01:07:51.000 I'm sure you've been...

01:07:53.000 You lived in Seattle for a while, right?

01:07:54.000 For a little while.

01:07:55.000 So you know what it's like when you go up into those mountains.

01:07:57.000 It's like so thick.

01:07:58.000 It's beautiful.

01:07:59.000 Unbelievable. 0.99

01:08:00.000 I mean, if I was going to go fuck off and get lost somewhere, that would be... 1.00

01:08:03.000 Dude. 0.99

01:08:04.000 That's some real wilderness, man.

01:08:06.000 Mount Rainier, right?

01:08:07.000 Yeah.

01:08:08.000 God, it's gorgeous.

01:08:09.000 But the wilderness is so dense.

01:08:11.000 I always describe it as like trying to look through a box of Q-tips.

01:08:14.000 It's like a Petri dish.

01:08:15.000 Yeah, they're just...

01:08:16.000 And the ground is so soft and smushy from all the pine needles.

01:08:22.000 So my point is, this lady saw something in the distance.

01:08:25.000 She saw elk running, right?

01:08:27.000 And then she saw something standing up, and she looked at its face, and she realized it was an ape.

01:08:32.000 She's like, oh my god, I see an ape.

01:08:35.000 How is there an ape?

01:08:36.000 And then she said to herself, oh, it's Bigfoot.

01:08:39.000 That's Bigfoot.

01:08:40.000 And then it went over through this patch of timber, because everything's super, super dense.

01:08:45.000 You know, 10, 20 yards further, and you can't see it anymore.

01:08:48.000 She lost it completely.

01:08:49.000 But it makes sense that a bear was chasing elk.

01:08:52.000 That's what they do.

01:08:53.000 They do it all the time.

01:08:54.000 They're probably chasing elk.

01:08:56.000 There's probably a fawn.

01:08:57.000 They're probably trying to get it, and the bear might have been hurt. 1.00

01:08:59.000 They know how good that shit tastes. 1.00

01:09:00.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:09:00.000 And the bear might have been hurt, which happens all the time. 1.00

01:09:04.000 And when bears are hurt, they walk on two legs.

01:09:06.000 So if you're looking at this thing, bears can grow nine feet long.

01:09:10.000 Right.

01:09:11.000 That's real.

01:09:11.000 Black bears can be nine feet long.

01:09:13.000 A really big black bear.

01:09:15.000 So if you're looking at this thing in the Pacific, it's probably rare, but they could be seven feet all day.

01:09:19.000 You can find a bunch of seven-foot black bears.

01:09:22.000 Those are legitimate.

01:09:23.000 So this black bear's walking around seven feet tall, standing up on its hind legs, and you're seeing it through the trees 30 yards away.

01:09:30.000 You're like, oh my god, I see Bigfoot.

01:09:32.000 So in her head, I don't think she was lying. 0.72

01:09:34.000 I think she definitely saw a big-ass animal. 0.94

01:09:36.000 She really believes she saw it. 0.70

01:09:37.000 She saw elk running, and she saw a big-ass animal in pursuit.

01:09:41.000 But it easily could have been a bear.

01:09:42.000 And she could have filled in the blanks in her mind with all these false memories that are attributing, like, oh, I saw its face, it looked at me, it made a noise.

01:09:51.000 All that stuff, like, people get wacky.

01:09:53.000 Like, you think you saw something, and you didn't.

01:09:57.000 There's no bodies.

01:09:58.000 That's the problem. 0.99

01:09:59.000 There's nothing, like, no one's found shit. 0.99

01:10:01.000 No one's found anything. 0.99

01:10:03.000 Not a single fucking bone. 0.98

01:10:05.000 I mean, they found this gigantopithecus bone in an apothecary shop in China. 0.99

01:10:09.000 Then they did a dig.

01:10:10.000 They went back to the spot. 0.99

01:10:11.000 These anthropologists said, where the fuck did you get this? 0.99

01:10:13.000 They had this giant primate tooth that wasn't a gorilla, wasn't a human being. 0.99

01:10:17.000 They're like, where'd you get this?

01:10:19.000 And they take them to the spot where they got it, and they find bones.

01:10:22.000 They find jaw bones that indicate that it was bipedal.

01:10:25.000 It's kind of controversial, apparently.

01:10:27.000 But apparently by the way the jaw is designed, they knew that this thing stood upright.

01:10:31.000 And it's huge!

01:10:34.000 I don't know.

01:10:34.000 I met some dudes from Stornoway, Scotland once, which they looked like they were from another planet.

01:10:40.000 They were like the biggest fucking people I've ever seen in my life. 0.98

01:10:42.000 There was four or five of these guys at this little music festival in Kilkenny, Ireland, and they'd all come down for the festival. 0.99

01:10:50.000 I mean, I'm not shitting, man.

01:10:51.000 They were the biggest people I've ever seen. 0.79

01:10:55.000 All of them. 1.00

01:10:56.000 They were just like fucking mountain men who just blocked out the light when they walked through the door and had these long gray hair and beards and shit. 1.00

01:11:03.000 And they're like, you should come up and play in Stornoway. 1.00

01:11:06.000 Fuck that! 1.00

01:11:07.000 It only takes eight fucking fairies to get there, you know? 1.00

01:11:12.000 I would actually love to go up, but... 0.99

01:11:14.000 I think of those dudes whenever I think of those Atlas Stones.

01:11:17.000 Do you know what Atlas Stones are?

01:11:18.000 Like the most manly way to work out ever.

01:11:22.000 You're basically picking up these enormous balls of stone.

01:11:26.000 And these dudes lift them and they get them on their chest and they hoist them onto these blocks.

01:11:30.000 They have contests to see who can, like when they do the strongman contests, they pick those Atlas Stones up and put them on progressively higher and higher shelves.

01:11:39.000 Giant.

01:11:39.000 Giant people.

01:11:41.000 Stone.

01:11:41.000 Yeah.

01:11:42.000 Balls. 0.71

01:11:42.000 Giant stone balls. 0.71

01:11:44.000 Those people, I mean, those are the ancestors of the Vikings, for sure, right?

01:11:47.000 100%.

01:11:47.000 Oh, for sure.

01:11:48.000 That's where the Vikings turned around, I think.

01:11:50.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:11:51.000 If I'm not mistaken, they got there and they were like, fuck this. 1.00

01:11:54.000 They shot loads into everybody. 1.00

01:11:56.000 They got wintertime and then they bailed. 1.00

01:11:58.000 Let's fuck this place. 1.00

01:11:59.000 It's always raining. 1.00

01:12:00.000 Let's get out of here.

01:12:01.000 They took off.

01:12:01.000 Too depressing.

01:12:02.000 I got some really good buddies now in Glasgow, all musicians you meet over the years touring, and a couple guys particularly that if I go over sometimes I'll do a little pickup band with these guys, and they're both like hard Glaswegians,

01:12:17.000 and my friend Lloyd went to the last time I was over there, he took me up on a proper car trip up to the Highlands and back down, and one day I think we got as far as like...

01:12:29.000 Oban or...

01:12:30.000 Anyway.

01:12:31.000 But yeah, there's parts of that stuff.

01:12:33.000 It just...

01:12:34.000 It looks like you're on another planet, man.

01:12:37.000 I can't even describe it. 0.99

01:12:38.000 I remember we got out of the car in a couple places and you try to wrap your head around how ancient that shit is. 0.99

01:12:43.000 And everything that took place there... 0.99

01:12:46.000 And, you know, how, one, we're just standing outside a car on the side of the road, and I'm like, I am fucking freezing to death.

01:12:53.000 You know, in the middle of August, it's just raining literally upside down, and it's not even raining. 0.99

01:12:58.000 You're just like, it's some harsh, brutal shit. 0.99

01:13:02.000 Always cold, always wet. 1.00

01:13:03.000 Always cold, always wet, even when it's not, somehow.

01:13:05.000 I don't understand.

01:13:06.000 It would be like sunny, and a mile and a half later, there's like a blizzard. 0.99

01:13:10.000 It was just like fucking mental, man. 0.99

01:13:12.000 But it looked like another planet. 0.99

01:13:14.000 I felt like this could have been a setting out of Star Wars or something.

01:13:18.000 Yeah, if you think about it, when you think about Scottish people, you always think of hardy, right?

01:13:23.000 Oh, yeah.

01:13:23.000 Hardy, tough people.

01:13:24.000 Hardy.

01:13:25.000 That instantly comes to mind.

01:13:26.000 Well, you know, another weird thing about it is you always appear, Americans especially, like where you're from, your ancestry and this and that.

01:13:33.000 I grew up in eastern Kentucky and then moved to central Kentucky, but most of the early settlers in the Appalachian region was predominantly Scotch-Irish and some German.

01:13:46.000 Yeah.

01:13:49.000 Yeah.

01:13:53.000 Yeah.

01:14:03.000 And I realized, I was like, yep, I might as well be in Hazard, Kentucky right now.

01:14:08.000 It's the same stoic, very guarded, you know, disposition, but then, like, once you get to know them, and especially once you become friends, it's just like they would do anything for you.

01:14:20.000 It's a very regal, stoic, working-class city. 0.99

01:14:23.000 There's something really special in magic about Glasgow. 0.99

01:14:25.000 Damn. 0.99

01:14:26.000 But it just kind of hit me, like, this is definitely where my fucking people came from, you know? 1.00

01:14:30.000 Like, that might as well be my Uncle Bobby right there. 1.00

01:14:34.000 Damn. 1.00

01:14:37.000 The people that live there today, man, like, they get to go by castles and shit. 1.00

01:14:43.000 There's castles near there. 0.99

01:14:44.000 You drive by a castle.

01:14:46.000 And how old are those castles?

01:14:47.000 Like, what's the oldest castle in Scotland?

01:14:49.000 I'm not sure what the oldest one.

01:14:50.000 I mean, there's...

01:14:51.000 Like, what's an old one?

01:14:52.000 A thousand years old?

01:14:53.000 I think the one in Edinburgh is probably 1,200 years old.

01:14:59.000 A guy invented penicillin.

01:15:02.000 Imagine going back and looking at it.

01:15:05.000 Yeah, 12, 14, 1600 years.

01:15:06.000 We played somewhere in Ireland in this little town and across the street from the hotel was this guard tower that had been there for 1300 fucking years and there was like Viking boats they had on display around.

01:15:16.000 I'm just thinking, yeah, somebody a thousand years ago was up in that window with a bow and arrow. 0.53

01:15:24.000 That's all they had.

01:15:25.000 That's all they had. 0.97

01:15:27.000 Shooting arrows down, invading people.

01:15:30.000 It gives you perspective, though, especially Europe in terms of old world isn't that old when you think about China or a lot of Southeast Asian cultures.

01:15:39.000 You're talking about 10,000, 15,000.

01:15:41.000 Europe is a good example for me. 0.99

01:15:43.000 Every time I go, it gives me perspective because you think about everything happening in our country and everybody's like, oh, it's fucking going to hell. 0.98

01:15:50.000 We're such a baby. 0.97

01:15:52.000 Yeah.

01:15:52.000 You know, there's churches over there that are five times older than the United States, and it's still working somehow.

01:16:00.000 Yeah, the oldest shit we have is like, when I was living in Boston, there was a cemetery that you could go to where you could see tombstones from like the 1700s. 0.96

01:16:07.000 And you can barely read it. 0.99

01:16:09.000 They were all weathered and worn out. 1.00

01:16:11.000 Someone tapped that shit with it. 1.00

01:16:12.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:16:13.000 In the 1700s.

01:16:15.000 And you can just go over and touch it.

01:16:16.000 It's right there.

01:16:17.000 But people touch it too much. 1.00

01:16:18.000 Because the numbers are all fucking worn off and shit. 1.00

01:16:22.000 Look at that one right there. 1.00

01:16:23.000 Which is this one?

01:16:24.000 It's a cathedral built in 1471. It's the oldest building in Glasgow, I think.

01:16:31.000 1471. The coolest gig I ever played was in London.

01:16:36.000 It's called St. Pancras.

01:16:38.000 It's this old church building, which I think monks at one time, they built it acoustically and designed it out of stone for choirs.

01:16:51.000 It was the most insanely beautiful natural reverb I'd ever heard in my life.

01:17:02.000 It's like right around King's Cross, kind of a busy intersection.

01:17:05.000 Is that it right there?

01:17:08.000 St. Pancras?

01:17:10.000 No, that's the train station.

01:17:13.000 Look at St. Pancras Old Church.

01:17:19.000 It was really special, though. 0.99

01:17:20.000 I remember walking in for soundcheck and I was like, I don't give a fuck if anybody comes tonight. 0.94

01:17:23.000 I just get to sit here and play my guitar in this room. 0.62

01:17:26.000 Is it right here?

01:17:26.000 That's it, yeah.

01:17:27.000 It's like a little pewed building.

01:17:29.000 And so the way they built the whole place reverberates, all the rounded edges and everything?

01:17:35.000 Actually, that's the side hall.

01:17:37.000 And then there was a...

01:17:40.000 See the one?

01:17:42.000 Third from the right?

01:17:43.000 The darker one?

01:17:44.000 Yeah, the dark.

01:17:45.000 That's it.

01:17:45.000 Whoa!

01:17:46.000 Wow, that's beautiful, man.

01:17:48.000 Yeah, it was really special.

01:17:49.000 So if somebody wanted to look at this, Jamie, what is the image if someone's listening to this?

01:17:52.000 St. Pacras.

01:17:54.000 P-A-N-C-R-A-S. Pancras. 0.99

01:17:57.000 P-A-N-C-R-A-S. How beautiful is that construction? 1.00

01:18:01.000 It's the oldest standing house of worship.

01:18:04.000 I don't want to hope I'm not misquoting this, but I think it's like the oldest church in the United Kingdom.

01:18:10.000 And it's in the center of London.

01:18:12.000 Wow, so they designed it so that people could play acoustically?

01:18:14.000 It was built to sing in.

01:18:17.000 Like, you just be like...

01:18:18.000 Does the thing that the old keyboard effects just have built in?

01:18:22.000 It's that like...

01:18:23.000 Wow.

01:18:25.000 That bloom on everything.

01:18:26.000 When I was a kid, I lived down the street from this place called Echo Bridge.

01:18:31.000 And Echo Bridge is near Newton-Upper Falls.

01:18:35.000 And it's this place where we'd all go hang out and drink.

01:18:37.000 But if you get underneath the bridge, it gave you this crazy echo. 0.99

01:18:42.000 Just, like, ridiculous, ridiculous, ridiculous. 0.98

01:18:44.000 Hello, hello. 1.00

01:18:47.000 That's shit geeks like me walk around constantly listening for. 0.98

01:18:50.000 Yeah, every kid in my high school thought he was Billy Squire when he'd go down there, you know? 0.99

01:18:54.000 Lonely is the night when you find yourself alone. 1.00

01:18:58.000 You'd be screaming it like a fucking dork. 1.00

01:19:00.000 Remember we knew how to do the Van Halen thing on our notebook? 1.00

01:19:03.000 The VH. The logo.

01:19:06.000 That was my first concert.

01:19:08.000 Yeah, man.

01:19:08.000 That freaked me out.

01:19:10.000 Van Halen, they were amazing.

01:19:12.000 I had a buddy.

01:19:13.000 I used to work at this grocery store in Nashville when I was out kicking it around.

01:19:18.000 This guy was really cool.

01:19:20.000 He was older.

01:19:21.000 He was in his 50s.

01:19:21.000 He was local.

01:19:22.000 He grew up in Nashville.

01:19:24.000 He was a big music guy.

01:19:25.000 He saw every show that ever came through town in the 70s and 80s.

01:19:31.000 He grew up in that.

01:19:33.000 He'd always tell me about the shows. 0.97

01:19:35.000 He saw Van Halen at the the little coliseum in nashville like down on the north side of town back in i think he said 77 so it was before the first album had come out and they were opening for black sabbath and you know but this time deep purple and all these like riff rock bands were just sort of the thing wow and he said these guys come out and he said it was like a bomb exploded in that fucking place man look eddie's like doing backflips off his amp and all that crazy shit nobody ever heard that stuff you know wow and he said 0.93

01:20:05.000 then Sabbath came out and everybody basically walked out after the third song because they realized they had just seen what was next.

01:20:15.000 Wow.

01:20:19.000 Man.

01:20:21.000 I saw Kiss when I was like 10. 10 or 11 years old.

01:20:26.000 I saw him live.

01:20:28.000 Were you into them?

01:20:29.000 Totally into them.

01:20:30.000 Yeah, I was really into them, and my uncle worked for their advertising company that designed the album covers.

01:20:37.000 Howard Marks Advertising Company, they're the ones that did...

01:20:40.000 Well, he's a genius.

01:20:41.000 Howard Marks?

01:20:42.000 The marketing... 1.00

01:20:43.000 Yeah, whoever's handling the marketing on that shit. 0.99

01:20:46.000 Well, it was my uncle Vinny and his friend Dennis were the artists. 0.99

01:20:50.000 They would make the album covers.

01:20:52.000 That's crazy.

01:20:53.000 Yeah, so I got to meet H. Freely without his makeup.

01:20:56.000 I was like 11. Ace Frehley is actually the first guy who ever did the harmonic tapping on tape.

01:21:02.000 Really?

01:21:03.000 That Eddie later got all the acclaim.

01:21:05.000 He took it and ran with it.

01:21:06.000 But I think the first time that was ever recorded was on a Kiss song.

01:21:09.000 Somebody using that technique. 0.99

01:21:11.000 He was fucking phenomenal, man. 0.97

01:21:15.000 Apparently a really nice guy too, right? 0.99

01:21:17.000 Ace?

01:21:17.000 I don't know.

01:21:18.000 I never met him.

01:21:19.000 I know that he didn't get along with some of the other guys, like Gene Simmons and Paul Stanley. 0.99

01:21:22.000 Because they're all fucking pricks. 0.98

01:21:24.000 I think the Ace, I think, is supposed to be like the sweetheart of the guy that's... 1.00

01:21:26.000 Maybe.

01:21:29.000 Maybe.

01:21:30.000 Paul Stanley was nice.

01:21:31.000 He was a nice guy.

01:21:32.000 Gene Simmons has been nice to me.

01:21:34.000 Right.

01:21:34.000 You know, obviously everybody knows.

01:21:36.000 It's part of their thing, man.

01:21:37.000 I get it.

01:21:37.000 Yeah.

01:21:38.000 I mean, they've been rock stars for so long.

01:21:43.000 I mean, think about that.

01:21:44.000 They were rock stars in the 70s.

01:21:46.000 They were rock stars when it meant something else.

01:21:49.000 Yeah, it's different.

01:21:50.000 It's a different thing.

01:21:51.000 I'm not sure if it even is necessary.

01:21:53.000 Do we really need whatever that is?

01:21:57.000 Rock stars?

01:21:58.000 Yeah.

01:21:58.000 Here's the problem.

01:21:59.000 We know too much about them.

01:22:00.000 All the mystery's gone. 0.99

01:22:02.000 You know, it used to be like Robert Plant would come down on fucking magic carpet. 0.97

01:22:06.000 We didn't know where he was coming from. 0.98

01:22:07.000 You know?

01:22:08.000 He would show up.

01:22:09.000 He probably at the time thought he was on one.

01:22:10.000 And just think about Robert Plant in his prime, right? 0.98

01:22:13.000 Who the fuck ever saw anything like that before? 0.96

01:22:14.000 They were taking Elvis off the Ed Sullivan show because he was shaking his hips. 0.99

01:22:18.000 Robert Plant has got a piece on him.

01:22:20.000 And it's pressed up against his pants.

01:22:23.000 His pants are as tight as a glove.

01:22:25.000 He's got no shirt.

01:22:26.000 His shirt is completely open, right?

01:22:28.000 His completely bare-chested, long hair, and a voice that you never heard before.

01:22:33.000 You never heard someone sing like, Hold Out of Love.

01:22:36.000 I mean, it's just, he's doing something different.

01:22:38.000 He's got some new thing going on. 0.98

01:22:40.000 And you don't know shit about him. 0.99

01:22:42.000 There's no fucking podcast that he does. 1.00

01:22:44.000 He doesn't have a Twitter page where he says stupid shit about Trump. 1.00

01:22:47.000 Yeah, they actually never did any interviews. 1.00

01:22:50.000 Good.

01:22:51.000 And he didn't release singles.

01:22:52.000 Yeah.

01:22:53.000 Actually, a lot of people didn't know.

01:22:55.000 You hear all these classic songs on the radio now, but they never put singles.

01:22:58.000 They refused to do singles.

01:22:59.000 They didn't do press.

01:23:00.000 Dude, there he is.

01:23:01.000 If you wanted to see Led Zeppelin, you had to go to the show. 1.00

01:23:04.000 Yeah, look at his cock. 1.00

01:23:05.000 Look. 1.00

01:23:06.000 Look at it. 1.00

01:23:07.000 Look at his cock. 1.00

01:23:08.000 He wants you to. 1.00

01:23:09.000 And that's pressed up against his pants.

01:23:10.000 Of course he does. 1.00

01:23:10.000 I mean, I don't know if he had a sock there, but I want to believe that he was just up there slinging dick. 1.00

01:23:16.000 A dude was like 17 when that first record came out. 0.98

01:23:19.000 And he wasn't even the first choice.

01:23:21.000 They went through a few people Jimmy Page did when he put the band together.

01:23:23.000 One of my favorite singers of all time.

01:23:27.000 I love Robert Plant, but I always felt like if Steve Marriott, I always wanted to hear what that would sound like.

01:23:33.000 The guy from Humble Pie. 0.98

01:23:35.000 Fucking incredible voice. 0.99

01:23:37.000 Was he supposed to be? 0.99

01:23:38.000 I want to say maybe Page wanted him, but he couldn't do it.

01:23:42.000 I know they talked to maybe Rod Stewart.

01:23:45.000 Was it Faces at the time or earlier?

01:23:48.000 I know Robert Plant wasn't choice number one.

01:23:51.000 And they had to talk Bonneman to take the gig.

01:23:54.000 Paige and John Paul Jones had known each other through session work in the mid-60s, and when the Yardbirds broke up, Jimmy somehow thought he had rights to the name, and he wanted to put together a super band of all his favorite musicians he played with.

01:24:09.000 And Bonham was recommended by the bass player, John Paul Jones, but they had to go and talk him into it, because he was playing with bands at the time that paid him a lot more money.

01:24:18.000 Wow.

01:24:19.000 And Jimmy had to explain what they were trying to accomplish and sell him on the idea.

01:24:24.000 But that was sort of like bands that are put together by labels.

01:24:30.000 Jimmy Page was a genius and a very visionary kind of guy, so he knew he needed to build this band to take over the world, and that's what he did.

01:24:39.000 Wow.

01:24:41.000 Great producer, too. 0.99

01:24:43.000 Fucking phenomenal guitarist, right? 0.95

01:24:46.000 Probably one of the most inventive guitar players ever. 0.98

01:24:50.000 A lot of people say sometimes, especially later when he's on the morphine, sometimes it can be a little sloppy, but I like that.

01:24:56.000 I hate perfect.

01:24:58.000 There's probably nothing more boring than perfect.

01:25:00.000 Is the sound of a guitar similar to a voice? 0.97

01:25:03.000 Sometimes the dude will have a raspy, crazy, fucked up voice and it just makes it, right? 0.77

01:25:09.000 I mean, yeah, any real artist player with an instrument, it doesn't matter what the guitar is or the amp or anything. 0.98

01:25:16.000 Anybody that has their thing, they can pick up anything and within three notes you just know it's that person.

01:25:23.000 What do you think of that?

01:25:24.000 How do you say his name?

01:25:26.000 Ray LaMontagne?

01:25:28.000 Is that how you say it?

01:25:30.000 Yeah, he's like a songwriter.

01:25:31.000 Yeah.

01:25:32.000 Do you know that song, Jolene?

01:25:33.000 I do.

01:25:34.000 Have you heard that song?

01:25:34.000 Yeah, he's got a really cool voice, man.

01:25:36.000 Damn! 0.98

01:25:37.000 My buddy Dan did a record with him, and I've never met him, but no, he's a really cool vibe. 0.99

01:25:44.000 Dude, his voice is insane.

01:25:46.000 I think he's kind of like, he was sort of, if I'm not mistaken, I'm going to be like, well, sort of came into it later like I did. 0.99

01:25:51.000 He had jobs and shit before and then just started doing it. 0.86

01:25:54.000 That makes sense. 0.98

01:25:55.000 And found success later on.

01:25:57.000 I think that makes sense with a lot of people, man.

01:25:59.000 I just think...

01:26:00.000 People like Justin Bieber, like, he's got a way harder road. 1.00

01:26:05.000 It's a way harder road to try to figure out who the fuck you are. 1.00

01:26:08.000 Dude, can you imagine? 1.00

01:26:08.000 Like, all things considered... 1.00

01:26:10.000 He's probably handling it okay.

01:26:15.000 He's handling it phenomenally.

01:26:17.000 You think about... 0.99

01:26:18.000 He was, what, fucking eight? 0.99

01:26:20.000 He's only 24! 0.99

01:26:21.000 He's 24 years old?

01:26:22.000 He's 24 right now. 1.00

01:26:23.000 Holy shit! 1.00

01:26:23.000 And all this has already happened. 1.00

01:26:25.000 Just turned 24. And he's rolling around on a G7. That's his day-to-day, you know?

01:26:29.000 He does whatever the fuck he wants, dude. 0.98

01:26:31.000 All the time. 0.99

01:26:32.000 You know, you don't pay attention to things.

01:26:35.000 I'm not like a... 0.99

01:26:36.000 I'm not glued into pop culture, but somehow you just can't not know what Justin Bieber's up to once a month just walking around the world anymore.

01:26:45.000 I would say that kid, for most people to be handed that type of existence and all of that scrutiny and all the shit that comes along with that, that does things to people, you know?

01:26:57.000 It definitely does. 0.88

01:26:57.000 Especially if your personality is not even formed yet. 0.88

01:27:00.000 Yeah.

01:27:01.000 I can't imagine.

01:27:01.000 Like, I'm so grateful I got into this business at 35. Yeah.

01:27:05.000 And not 21. I was talking to my friend John this weekend about this.

01:27:09.000 And I was saying that it's almost like if you made an epoxy, right?

01:27:12.000 You know, if you have epoxy, you just put a couple ingredients in.

01:27:15.000 Like, there's one thing and you mix it with another thing and then it hardens. 0.99

01:27:19.000 But if you add some shit in that that's not supposed to be there, and it's fully developed, you're not going to take that shit out. 0.99

01:27:25.000 Like, if you added oil, you threw some oil in the epoxy, like, ah, now you fucked that whole thing up. 0.99

01:27:30.000 That's kind of what you're doing to a person when you raise a person famous.

01:27:34.000 If you take some reality star from the time they're five, and then they're in a sitcom and a movie, and then you've gone through your whole...

01:27:42.000 I don't know why I said reality star, but you've gone through your whole life If you're that person, if you're Justin Bieber, you've gone through your whole life.

01:27:48.000 Under that eye.

01:27:49.000 Under the eye.

01:27:50.000 And it's gotten bigger and bigger and bigger and more and more people paying attention.

01:27:53.000 Like you never had a moment like you did where you're working for the railroad tracks.

01:27:56.000 Right.

01:27:56.000 Or like, you know, I did going on the road for years or some of the jobs that I had before I was ever a comedian.

01:28:03.000 They don't have any of those.

01:28:04.000 They don't have the wondering if you could pay your bill feeling.

01:28:07.000 They don't know that feeling.

01:28:09.000 They don't have the...

01:28:10.000 See, I still feel like that. 0.98

01:28:12.000 You know, that's what's fucked up my wife. 1.00

01:28:14.000 I'm just like...

01:28:15.000 I'm still like...

01:28:16.000 I'll never not feel like that.

01:28:19.000 You know?

01:28:19.000 Yeah.

01:28:20.000 From never...

01:28:21.000 Never really had money or anything like that or had any aspirations to own a house or those kind of things.

01:28:27.000 So it's just...

01:28:29.000 You know, especially with kids now.

01:28:32.000 Like, I just don't...

01:28:33.000 There's no...

01:28:35.000 Flamboyance...

01:28:39.000 Yeah.

01:28:39.000 But now he lives a different life where people like Rihanna, they're like literally citizens of the world and any day of the week they could be in some five-star hotel and God knows where, you know.

01:28:52.000 Yeah, God knows where.

01:28:55.000 You know, it's a crazy way to live.

01:28:57.000 Very bizarre.

01:28:59.000 Jet setting, flying around.

01:29:00.000 I couldn't do it, man, because there's no way.

01:29:02.000 I don't ever want to wake up and have that kind of career because it takes so many people around you on a daily basis just to maintain and keep a machine that large rolling, logistically speaking, that you become enslaved to the job.

01:29:20.000 You know what I mean?

01:29:21.000 Because you have all these...

01:29:24.000 There's always this name.

01:29:26.000 When you have Superstar X, you put this head right here and then everything below that just to make that thing go around.

01:29:33.000 It just turns into this... 0.97

01:29:35.000 It's like a corporation, really, with 20 semi-trucks and all this shit. 0.71

01:29:41.000 You've got to go out and make that happen because now all these people depend on you for their livelihoods and careers and...

01:29:47.000 So then that's going to affect the artistic decisions you make because you have to stay relevant, culturally speaking. 0.82

01:29:54.000 And if you want to do something different next time, well now this massive fanbase isn't really going to fucking deal with that very well.

01:30:01.000 Like when Beastie Boys put out Paul's Boutique.

01:30:04.000 Exactly. 1.00

01:30:04.000 People went, what the fuck? 1.00

01:30:06.000 But now it's one of the greatest records ever made. 0.99

01:30:10.000 But people back then didn't know what to handle.

01:30:11.000 They didn't know what to do with that.

01:30:13.000 They didn't have the Beastie Boys classified in the artist box.

01:30:17.000 They had them in the pop music box. 0.91

01:30:19.000 So this is silly. 0.51

01:30:20.000 You gotta fight for your right to party. 0.92

01:30:22.000 We get it.

01:30:22.000 You guys are partiers.

01:30:23.000 Cool.

01:30:24.000 And then all of a sudden, you know...

01:30:27.000 Paul's Boutique is like, whoa, what is this?

01:30:29.000 David Bowie went from Ziggy Stardust to doing a soul album in like nine months with Luther Vandross.

01:30:36.000 Yeah, wow. 0.98

01:30:36.000 Those are huge, classic, amazing records now, but you realize those guys were playing in theaters when all that shit happened. 0.98

01:30:42.000 Whoa. 0.94

01:30:43.000 And he's just like, I'm done with this.

01:30:45.000 I'm going to go do this now. 0.99

01:30:47.000 You literally can't see anymore because I fucking killed it on stage. 0.98

01:30:51.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:30:51.000 That's over. 0.99

01:30:53.000 You know.

01:30:54.000 Do you think Rod Stewart gets enough credit?

01:30:56.000 I don't, actually.

01:30:57.000 I don't either.

01:30:58.000 I think, especially Man of Faces, and even his early solo records, those are some amazing albums.

01:31:03.000 His voice is incredible.

01:31:05.000 You know what happened to him?

01:31:06.000 I love Rod Stewart.

01:31:06.000 What?

01:31:07.000 The hits. 1.00

01:31:07.000 He got too much pussy. 1.00

01:31:08.000 Do you think I'm sexy? 1.00

01:31:09.000 He fried his brain.

01:31:10.000 Once he hit that, everybody's like, check, please.

01:31:15.000 He's like, wait, that's all I gotta do?

01:31:17.000 Because remember, go back to Maggie Mae, you know?

01:31:21.000 Wake up, Maggie!

01:31:22.000 Like, that song was...

01:31:23.000 There was something in that song, right?

01:31:25.000 There was a guy trying to figure his life out, hanging out with some chick.

01:31:29.000 Yeah.

01:31:29.000 No, Rod Stewart's a badass man.

01:31:31.000 Oh, man.

01:31:31.000 No question.

01:31:32.000 What is that song?

01:31:33.000 Is it called Maggie Mae?

01:31:34.000 Yeah.

01:31:35.000 Him and Elton John, all those guys, like, that's...

01:31:39.000 Yeah, he was a beast.

01:31:40.000 It was a different level. 1.00

01:31:40.000 But then he started wearing, like, leopard-tight pants and shit. 1.00

01:31:44.000 Because he could. 1.00

01:31:45.000 I mean, look at that shit. 1.00

01:31:46.000 It ain't like it's not working, you know what I mean? 1.00

01:31:48.000 Look at him.

01:31:48.000 Look at that look.

01:31:49.000 Yeah.

01:31:49.000 He actually was, I think he almost played professional soccer for Celtic or somebody.

01:31:54.000 Wow.

01:31:55.000 He was like a really great soccer player when he was a kid, but he was too small.

01:31:59.000 And he's another one, right?

01:32:02.000 Basically, you're never going to see one of those again.

01:32:04.000 No, I don't think so.

01:32:06.000 You're never going to see a lot of things again, just because there's just nobody that's...

01:32:11.000 Actually, that's not necessarily true.

01:32:13.000 You might see more things now, because...

01:32:15.000 That's true, too, right?

01:32:16.000 I'm getting ahead of myself.

01:32:18.000 For all intents, I shouldn't be here.

01:32:20.000 Right.

01:32:20.000 It's true.

01:32:21.000 It wasn't an industry creation.

01:32:23.000 Right.

01:32:24.000 So now, anything really is possible.

01:32:26.000 Right.

01:32:27.000 Yeah, that's a good point. 0.98

01:32:28.000 You just have to fight and sift through so much shit, most of it mediocrity, to get to something that really hits you or that you connect with. 0.96

01:32:37.000 Well, I think that you're also saying this out of your own personal experiences, where you realize you could have not been you. 0.99

01:32:42.000 Like, easily.

01:32:43.000 You could have not turned out into being you.

01:32:45.000 Oh, if I'd have sat down in a room with a bunch of people who know what's best, I wouldn't have been me.

01:32:49.000 Yeah.

01:32:50.000 You and most people that are successful.

01:32:54.000 My first record, we did shop to a few labels in town, but I was a little bit ahead of the whole neo-trad curve that sort of kicked off in the last few years.

01:33:06.000 I made this really traditional country record.

01:33:10.000 But it was like hard country.

01:33:13.000 It was very...

01:33:14.000 Like an album I'd always wanted to make.

01:33:16.000 And we shopped it to a few people and they just didn't really know.

01:33:19.000 It wasn't the right time.

01:33:20.000 So nothing came of it.

01:33:22.000 So we self-released it.

01:33:23.000 So then when I did the second one, Metamodern, and now I've got this whole record about like, you know, mind... 0.99

01:33:32.000 The journey of a soul or a mind or whatever, talking about turtles and fucking tripping and shit. 0.94

01:33:37.000 I knew nobody is going to get this. 0.99

01:33:41.000 I can waste time trying to find somebody to release it or we can just put the damn thing out. 0.97

01:33:45.000 And I'm so glad we did it that way. 0.97

01:33:47.000 Just because I know what happened was a result of people hearing it.

01:33:52.000 And sharing that with their friends.

01:33:54.000 100%.

01:33:54.000 That's how I found out about it.

01:33:55.000 I found out about it for people online.

01:33:57.000 And I gotta tell you, the cover of it threw me off at first.

01:34:00.000 The cover of it, I was like, what?

01:34:01.000 That was me being a smartass, because I was like, there's all this, like...

01:34:07.000 You know, you go to these festivals and stuff. 0.86

01:34:09.000 I'm like a grown-ass man.

01:34:10.000 You know what I mean? 1.00

01:34:11.000 Work fucking stupid jobs. 1.00

01:34:14.000 Now I was in this, all of a sudden, in this position of going out and playing all these festivals and looking at these kids and stuff, doing it and all. 1.00

01:34:20.000 And it's just great.

01:34:20.000 You make a lot of friends.

01:34:21.000 But there's a lot in any industry.

01:34:24.000 There's a lot of...

01:34:26.000 Yeah.

01:34:46.000 So I'll do a painting of a 10-type photo and surround it by the tackiest outer space. 0.93

01:34:52.000 My buddy that I did the thing with, we were actually trying to make the worst album cover of the year.

01:34:57.000 We ended up making a top 10 list on Rolling Stone. 0.97

01:35:00.000 We didn't get the cherry, but I was like, let's just make the tackiest fucking thing we possibly can. 0.97

01:35:06.000 Like those cheesy fonts and... 0.99

01:35:09.000 It's kind of crazy.

01:35:10.000 Because the music, to me, was so heavy and personal and real.

01:35:13.000 So I was like, God, man, I don't want to be... 0.98

01:35:15.000 I kind of wanted to make fun of the dude levitating in the fucking cave before people turn you into that. 0.98

01:35:21.000 You know what I mean? 0.99

01:35:22.000 Because that's not at all... 0.97

01:35:23.000 A lot of the shit was just stuff I'd been reading about or, you know, you're in character. 0.97

01:35:29.000 Yeah, but it was psychedelic country music. 0.99

01:35:31.000 Well, which is a lot...

01:35:32.000 I love a lot of 60s rock, and some of my favorite country records ever made were made in the late 60s.

01:35:37.000 Some of the...

01:35:37.000 Gene Clark and some of the early Vern Gosden brothers type stuff.

01:35:42.000 There was this level of psychedelia in the production that made it so beautiful. 0.99

01:35:46.000 I've got to get a list of shit to listen to you. 1.00

01:35:47.000 Yeah, I'll throw you some shit, man. 0.99

01:35:50.000 But then, talented guys, and I was kind of a taskmaster, so it was such a young band because they wanted to play loud, and you've got to pull things back, or like... 0.99

01:36:00.000 Oh, wow.

01:36:18.000 Wow.

01:36:18.000 So you just were in the groove.

01:36:20.000 Yeah, basically just plug up like five mics, don't move anything, and just lay it all down.

01:36:24.000 And then Dave and I, with the mixing, and then he had some great ideas in post-production, like getting the sounds around.

01:36:29.000 But then you come back, and we had all these separated recordings.

01:36:33.000 So to me, I realized the real fun is putting everything in sequence and making these cycle...

01:36:38.000 To maximize, I guess, the emotiveness of the records.

01:36:41.000 Right.

01:36:42.000 In terms of a rollercoaster of emotions.

01:36:44.000 You know, instead of just one...

01:36:46.000 So, like, every time we do it now, it's always different.

01:36:49.000 Like, the record I did after that was...

01:36:51.000 Recorded that one a totally different way.

01:36:53.000 Still going fast, but, you know, I always wanted to make a big kind of lush orchestral soul record.

01:37:02.000 And then what I've learned is that I don't want to be in the music business because...

01:37:07.000 I'm just going to be in the Sturgill business because there's this mechanical timeline of it all.

01:37:15.000 By the time we go in and make that record, you're so, you've been processing and thinking about it so much for months.

01:37:23.000 And you get in and you have that release and it's like, I equate it to driving in a really heavy downpour rainstorm for like an extended period of time, which is like there's a mental exhaustion that comes forward, but you have to just kind of like keep going.

01:37:36.000 And by the time it's finished and mixed, you've heard this thing like a thousand times.

01:37:40.000 You don't ever want to hear it again.

01:37:42.000 But now you've got to go out and play it on the road every night for a year and a half.

01:37:46.000 So we're constantly trying to reinvent every night how to keep that fresh and exciting while holding the pause button on going over here and recording what creatively you may already be onto.

01:37:57.000 Wow.

01:37:58.000 So I realized this year I'm going to take the reins and I'm going to play 30 festivals because those things are always so fun just to go out and get all the energy in your face and then we're going to do probably a double album and another record and record it all so that when I do turn around I want to go do a really big long two year tour we have all this new material and the old stuff to pull from.

01:38:19.000 I like how you're approaching it so you're approaching it like a plan.

01:38:23.000 It is a plan.

01:38:24.000 You have to look at it like a plan.

01:38:25.000 Do you think everybody does that?

01:38:27.000 Well, there's all kinds of different plans.

01:38:29.000 I just know what works for me.

01:38:30.000 I've learned, more importantly, what works for my family and my sanity.

01:38:34.000 I don't need to go play 300 shows a year.

01:38:38.000 I'd rather go play...

01:38:41.000 30 or 60 shows and know that every one of those was 110% as opposed to, you know, you got the Tuesday and Wednesday shows to get you to this weekend market where everybody's counting their checks already and shit and you're exhausted and then the shows suffer and these people pay money or maybe they don't realize that like you can't hear anything for 40 minutes because you don't ever want to project negativity.

01:39:02.000 from the stage if you can help it but there's you know the bad nights i just want every night to be great and then but most importantly right now for me the fun is is the studio and the the process of trying to push it and get to what's next yeah you do totally different albums every time you put an album out it's a completely different i'm a music listener and lover first and foremost probably a musicologist more than a musician at this point is that a word Yeah,

01:39:28.000 that's my field of study.

01:39:31.000 Musicologist? 0.95

01:39:31.000 Yeah, if I had to say that I have obsessed over one subject enough to where somebody should probably give me a fucking piece of paper that says I know what I'm talking about, it's probably music. 0.95

01:39:42.000 When did it start? 0.68

01:39:44.000 Did you have this your whole life?

01:39:46.000 Early, yeah, my whole life.

01:39:48.000 Honestly, first time from Michael Jackson, maybe. 0.96

01:39:53.000 You know what's kind of fucked up about this? 0.95

01:39:55.000 What? 0.99

01:39:56.000 You wouldn't have been you if you didn't come into this so late.

01:40:01.000 No, hell no.

01:40:02.000 But think of your whole life, right?

01:40:03.000 Your whole life you loved music.

01:40:05.000 Yeah.

01:40:05.000 You could have easily just been on a path from the time you were in high school.

01:40:08.000 Well, I always played, but I'm glad I never recorded anything until...

01:40:14.000 Yeah, because when you're younger, you know, like Eric Clapton.

01:40:17.000 I love Eric Clapton.

01:40:18.000 Huge influence.

01:40:18.000 Never met the guy.

01:40:20.000 But there's great documentaries came up.

01:40:21.000 But you can look back in his career.

01:40:23.000 He was so young and passionate and talented.

01:40:27.000 There's one particular record he did with a guy named John Mayle.

01:40:30.000 It was like kind of the birth of like rock and roll guitar tone. 0.99

01:40:32.000 It's the first time everybody plugged a Les Paul into a Marshall and just cranked the fucking thing. 0.96

01:40:36.000 And that record, that sound, everybody's like, whoa, that was a thing that happened. 0.98

01:40:41.000 But you can look at his career, and he was such a chameleon going through all these phases, and a lot of it was emulation or reinterpretation because he got into substance abuse.

01:40:50.000 But you can see...

01:40:52.000 How much his career shaped him more so than all the people he'd been around and his friends wasn't exposed to and him rubbing off on them and vice versa.

01:41:01.000 Wow.

01:41:02.000 Anybody in their 20s is still, anybody I know in their 20s is definitely still figuring out who they are as a person, much less an artist.

01:41:10.000 Yeah.

01:41:10.000 I'm almost 40 and I'm still figuring out who I am as an artist, you know.

01:41:14.000 Because every year, you're going to feel different every fucking day, much less two years from now when it's time to make a record. 0.79

01:41:19.000 Yeah, and you're going to change it up as you see fit. 0.97

01:41:21.000 You're going to go with what's going on in your mind right now.

01:41:25.000 Right.

01:41:26.000 That's a beautiful thing, right?

01:41:27.000 You don't have a...

01:41:28.000 I mean, even though you have a whole sort of entity behind you in terms of people carrying your stuff and all the jazz that's going on, all the equipment that's involved in doing one of your shows...

01:41:38.000 Yeah, very few people.

01:41:39.000 How many people you got?

01:41:41.000 Myself, three members of the band, we have a tour manager, we have our side monitor sound guy, the front sound guy, and my merch girl.

01:41:53.000 So you got 12 people?

01:41:55.000 Nine people on the bus with the drivers, and I'll always be in one bus. 0.99

01:41:58.000 We got one truck to haul the gear and All that shit. 0.85

01:42:04.000 That's pretty minimal compared to some bands. 0.70

01:42:06.000 In respect to what you do, it kind of shows you do that.

01:42:10.000 That is pretty minimal.

01:42:12.000 I would keep it there as long as possible, no matter what happens.

01:42:17.000 Just because I've never been a big lights guy or any of that stuff.

01:42:22.000 The guys in my band are all pretty amazing players we try to go out and put a show on.

01:42:26.000 If you were doing something else, though, like say if you were a part of a band, that band was being promoted very heavily by some record company that had put the band together, you know, they do like those manufactured bands or something like that, you'd be in a situation where you're basically required to do commercially successful and viable music.

01:42:45.000 You couldn't just...

01:42:47.000 Free ball like you're doing and doing whatever you want to do.

01:42:52.000 Honestly, I don't know, man.

01:42:54.000 All I know is what's happened to me.

01:42:57.000 And most of my friends are people that just kind of do their thing.

01:43:01.000 But there definitely is that element.

01:43:03.000 But there's, you know...

01:43:07.000 I never thought I'd ever sign with a record label.

01:43:10.000 Really?

01:43:11.000 Yeah, I never had any interest in it whatsoever.

01:43:15.000 When things kind of took off, all of them came knocking.

01:43:21.000 But it was working fine by ourselves, just sort of subcontracting my team and...

01:43:27.000 The only reason any artist should ever sign with a record label is for larger recording budgets, you know, a larger toolbox in which to use to make your product, let's call it, for lack of a better term.

01:43:42.000 So they have serious places where you can go to.

01:43:45.000 You can get to ridiculous studios. 0.75

01:43:48.000 Or not. 0.89

01:43:49.000 I still record in my favorite studio in Nashville.

01:43:53.000 There's nothing fancy about it.

01:43:54.000 It's just money for...

01:43:57.000 The players and gear you might not have, and then mixing, and then more time to spend in the studio.

01:44:06.000 We did MetaModern in three or four days because we had to.

01:44:11.000 Dark Side of the Moon was made in like nine months.

01:44:14.000 Was it really?

01:44:14.000 I don't know.

01:44:15.000 It was definitely like two separate extended sessions. 0.91

01:44:20.000 For me, that's the fun is sitting in that room and figuring out how to break shit and make sounds I haven't heard before. 0.84

01:44:27.000 You need time to do that. 0.98

01:44:28.000 You need, you know, money.

01:44:33.000 But you can make great records for very little money too.

01:44:37.000 So what's the benefit of having a record company?

01:44:40.000 They pay for the gear?

01:44:42.000 They pay for production?

01:44:43.000 The benefit of having a record company is simply somebody else's pockets.

01:44:48.000 It all comes back on you.

01:44:50.000 We don't want to pull the curtain back too much here.

01:44:53.000 I looked at it as like Going into business with a bank for at least two records, I'll take out a loan that I'm pretty sure I'll never pay back.

01:45:04.000 Because the recoup, you know, it's in there.

01:45:06.000 But I feel like I'm more of like a...

01:45:10.000 It all comes down to the bean counters eventually.

01:45:13.000 My records sell two, 300,000 copies and at some point they'll have to decide whether that's fiscally viable to them anymore because they don't make any money off me unless I sell records.

01:45:24.000 You know what I mean?

01:45:25.000 It was a very friendly structured deal. 0.94

01:45:28.000 Touring and all that publishing shit is completely separate.

01:45:30.000 It has nothing to do. 0.90

01:45:31.000 I just make records.

01:45:32.000 And they have to sell them.

01:45:34.000 Right.

01:46:03.000 Right.

01:46:03.000 I think it was a great record.

01:46:05.000 I know I deserved to be there, but it wouldn't have happened if you didn't have that kind of weight at the table.

01:46:11.000 That's very honest.

01:46:12.000 And that can make you feel, like, jaded against it all, or you can be like, okay, well, you know, Wiz Khalifa, they probably spend more money marketing one single for Wiz Khalifa than my entire project costs.

01:46:24.000 Yeah.

01:46:25.000 So because they make all those records, and Bruno Mars or whoever sells 18 gazillion records, guys like me get to make records.

01:46:33.000 And that's how it works.

01:46:36.000 It's a trickle-down Right, and it's all based on the money that they made from a long time ago, really, and then maintaining some sort of grip on the community now.

01:46:43.000 Oh, they're still making money, man.

01:46:45.000 The streaming thing, you know, they're all in bed now with the streaming services.

01:46:48.000 Yeah, we've talked about this before.

01:46:49.000 You've seen profits steadily climb back up.

01:46:51.000 For them, but not really for artists.

01:46:52.000 Not really for the artists.

01:46:53.000 Which is crazy.

01:46:54.000 I have nothing against Spotify. 1.00

01:46:55.000 I know people are like, fuck that shit, but look at it like this, man. 1.00

01:46:58.000 The people that are streaming music, they're not buying records anyway. 1.00

01:47:02.000 But they're still finding your music.

01:47:03.000 They're still telling their friends about it.

01:47:04.000 They're still coming to your show, which is how we get paid, playing shows.

01:47:08.000 Yeah, they're still your fans. 0.98

01:47:09.000 So you have to either embrace it or go fucking do something else. 0.98

01:47:13.000 Yeah, that's a good point. 0.96

01:47:15.000 But now when Spotify starts kicking songwriters 12 points, then yeah, I'll do commercials for them.

01:47:20.000 Until then.

01:47:22.000 But they are doing, whether you realize it or not, it does count up.

01:47:26.000 It counts up, but it is a weird thing.

01:47:28.000 It's very weird.

01:47:29.000 When your business model is based on you selling art and you don't pay for it.

01:47:33.000 Specifically, I feel more like Atlantic went into business with me.

01:47:36.000 I feel, in many ways, still feel like a very independent-minded artist.

01:47:40.000 I don't go to meetings.

01:47:41.000 Nobody's telling me what to do.

01:47:43.000 I don't have a manager or even technically a publicist at this point.

01:47:47.000 I'm just sort of floating and writing songs and making records, and then we go play shows.

01:47:52.000 If you could just keep that.

01:47:54.000 Yeah.

01:47:54.000 That's where I've...

01:47:57.000 In the last five years figured out where I want to be.

01:48:01.000 Right.

01:48:02.000 And what parts of it mean and something to me and I know I'm getting and giving back with the fans.

01:48:09.000 Well, I think it's also if you can stick into that groove, you stay in that groove right there, you can maintain who you are.

01:48:16.000 You can still explore new ideas.

01:48:19.000 You're not being pushed too much.

01:48:21.000 If you were being pushed to constantly produce new stuff and I could imagine that wears on artists.

01:48:29.000 I just spent so much of my early life working for other people.

01:48:31.000 I just made a point one day before I moved to Nashville, I'm not going to do that ever again.

01:48:36.000 I don't want to work for anybody else.

01:48:38.000 Unless it's somebody I really admire or is a really exciting, creative thing that I feel like I could benefit from or learn from being involved with.

01:48:46.000 I understand a thousand percent.

01:48:48.000 But what's interesting is when I talk about it on the podcast, sometimes people who don't do that, they do work for someone.

01:48:53.000 They have a job.

01:48:54.000 They get upset.

01:48:54.000 Right.

01:48:55.000 They feel like it sounds like you're talking down on jobs.

01:48:58.000 But the reality is you're working there for money.

01:49:01.000 We've all done it.

01:49:02.000 Everybody's worked for money.

01:49:03.000 Everybody's worked for money.

01:49:03.000 Some of my jobs, I love the railroad gig.

01:49:06.000 If this all gave up tomorrow, I actually could be just fine.

01:49:08.000 I'd go back to the railroad and be totally happy. 0.99

01:49:10.000 Go out and throw switches 12 hours a day, have my four days off, make a good salary, whistle while I work, all that shit, man. 0.98

01:49:19.000 It doesn't hurt to have a plan B, but no, working for other people was never something I enjoyed. 0.91

01:49:25.000 But I think anybody that even hears us say that, the reality is if someone gave them the option, you don't have to work ever again.

01:49:32.000 They'd go, okay.

01:49:32.000 What would you do though?

01:49:33.000 You'd do whatever you want.

01:49:35.000 What I would do? 1.00

01:49:36.000 I would fill my day up with learning shit. 0.99

01:49:38.000 You're one of the busiest fucking people I know though. 1.00

01:49:40.000 You don't have a job, but you're a very proactive human being. 0.98

01:49:46.000 You know, you do whatever you want all day long, but it doesn't mean you're not working, you're not benefiting.

01:49:50.000 I do whatever I want, but I earn it. 1.00

01:49:52.000 Like, I do shit. 1.00

01:49:53.000 I earn it. 1.00

01:49:54.000 I feel like I have to work.

01:49:56.000 The thing with my job is it doesn't feel like work.

01:49:59.000 Right.

01:50:00.000 There are parts that did feel like work that I identified that really have nothing to do with what I want to wake up and do every day.

01:50:07.000 So now I just don't do those things anymore.

01:50:09.000 Right.

01:50:10.000 And now it's like, you know...

01:50:14.000 The travel sometimes feels like work.

01:50:16.000 The things that I do don't feel like work.

01:50:18.000 This stuff definitely never feels like work.

01:50:20.000 Podcasts don't feel like work.

01:50:21.000 Stand-up doesn't feel like work.

01:50:23.000 Working for the UFC doesn't feel like work.

01:50:24.000 Those things don't feel like work.

01:50:26.000 But the stuff in between those things, to make sure those things work well, that's the work.

01:50:30.000 Sure.

01:50:30.000 Like working out, writing and stuff.

01:50:33.000 Do you handle the day-to-day admin?

01:50:35.000 100%.

01:50:36.000 I don't have anybody.

01:50:37.000 I don't have an assistant. 1.00

01:50:38.000 My take is always, if you need an assistant, just do less shit. 0.99

01:50:43.000 You don't want someone that you have to constantly check in on and make sure they've got their shit together. 0.99

01:50:49.000 And I've had some friends that had assistants and then your life becomes their life and your problems become their problems. 0.98

01:50:54.000 Their problems become your problems as well.

01:50:56.000 Anybody you invite into your life, you're inviting their problems into your life.

01:50:59.000 That's ultimately what I've learned.

01:51:01.000 And it's also, I don't necessarily think in my case it's necessary.

01:51:05.000 Maybe other people are more busy and they need assistants and I have a lot of friends who have assistants.

01:51:10.000 A lot.

01:51:13.000 I don't function that way. 0.98

01:51:16.000 When I wake up, I have a bunch of shit I want to do today. 0.95

01:51:19.000 I set my alarm clock, and I have a schedule. 0.99

01:51:21.000 But that schedule's mine.

01:51:23.000 I made it.

01:51:23.000 That's yours.

01:51:24.000 Yeah, when I went running today.

01:51:25.000 You change it whenever you want to. 0.99

01:51:26.000 Whatever the fuck I want. 0.97

01:51:27.000 My tour manager is like the sweetest, most empathetic human being I've ever met. 0.98

01:51:32.000 He's not just responsible for me.

01:51:35.000 He's like the babysitter and the mother of the whole family.

01:51:39.000 But like sometimes if we've been on the bus for a while or rolling, more than anything to give everybody else a break and do them a favor, I'll go off on my own and like stay at a different hotel or I'll go to a different city for two days.

01:51:51.000 And he's always like, you know, he's from New Zealand.

01:51:53.000 He's like so sweet. 0.99

01:51:54.000 He's like fucking gigantic. 0.99

01:51:57.000 He's like, would you like me to book your room? 0.99

01:51:59.000 No, I got it, man.

01:52:00.000 He's like, are you sure?

01:52:01.000 And he's almost like, I almost feel like I'm hurting his feelings because I won't let him take care of my day. 0.99

01:52:05.000 It's like, motherfucker, I got Priceline. 0.99

01:52:07.000 You know what I mean? 1.00

01:52:07.000 I can do this. 1.00

01:52:10.000 People don't expect you to be doing that, though.

01:52:12.000 That's what's interesting, right?

01:52:13.000 They want to be able to handle it so you don't have to do the mundane things that a normal person does.

01:52:17.000 So you got eight other people to take care of right now.

01:52:20.000 I'm a grown-ass man.

01:52:21.000 Yeah, I would never want to do what you were saying John Lennon did, just lay around, walk around naked, and I can't do it.

01:52:29.000 I don't think he liked to work.

01:52:30.000 Yeah.

01:52:31.000 I mean, he was a true artist.

01:52:33.000 Yeah.

01:52:34.000 I get it.

01:52:35.000 I mean, I get it. 0.98

01:52:38.000 But for me, it's almost like I know what makes me feel like shit, and I know what makes me feel good. 0.99

01:52:44.000 What makes me feel good is when I get shit done. 0.99

01:52:46.000 What makes me feel like shit is when I'm lazy, then I get anxiety, I feel weird, I don't feel good, I don't feel like I'm getting anything done. 0.98

01:52:53.000 And people think that, oh, because I work hard and I'm constantly doing something, then I never feel like that. 0.97

01:52:59.000 No, I definitely will feel like that.

01:53:00.000 That's why I do it.

01:53:01.000 I just saw something recently. 0.96

01:53:02.000 They proved that Task completion, your brain releases a chemical that makes you fucking feel great. 0.97

01:53:09.000 Oh yeah, man. 0.95

01:53:10.000 I did this.

01:53:11.000 I did something on purpose.

01:53:12.000 When you finish your album, when you're done.

01:53:14.000 It's amazing.

01:53:15.000 But it's also terrifying.

01:53:17.000 I'm sure.

01:53:17.000 Because you're like, God, I gotta release that.

01:53:19.000 People are gonna hear that shit. 0.99

01:53:21.000 But yeah, it does feel like a release is the best way to put it. 0.99

01:53:29.000 Yeah, I think everybody should experience that, even in a small... 0.99

01:53:32.000 I think little kids get that when they earn their fucking karate belts. 0.98

01:53:35.000 And you see a little kid get a yellow belt, and they tie it on, they're beaming this face. 0.99

01:53:39.000 Oh, man.

01:53:40.000 Like, they can't believe it.

01:53:41.000 I did it!

01:53:42.000 I give my oldest a high-five for anything, and it's like you see them light up.

01:53:46.000 Yeah.

01:53:46.000 It's just, like, that affirmation.

01:53:48.000 Yep.

01:53:48.000 Getting something done.

01:53:49.000 They did it.

01:53:50.000 It didn't...

01:53:50.000 I mean, think about...

01:53:51.000 Especially when you're talking about, like, little children.

01:53:53.000 Like, my seven-year-old loves to draw.

01:53:56.000 She's really into art.

01:53:57.000 And, like, she takes a piece of paper, and this is not a big deal to us as grown men.

01:54:01.000 She takes a piece of paper, and that paper is blank.

01:54:04.000 And in her little brain, she decides what's going to be on that paper.

01:54:07.000 She's like, I'm going to draw a dog.

01:54:08.000 And then, boom, it's a dog. 0.97

01:54:10.000 And I'm going to draw a dog that has a wing and also has a tail, and has a tail that grows out of its forehead, and just makes wacky shit up. 0.99

01:54:17.000 And she thinks it's fucking hilarious. 0.98

01:54:19.000 Like, look, he's got a tail on his head. 0.99

01:54:21.000 Ha! 1.00

01:54:22.000 But in her little mind, she's learning that she can do whatever the fuck she wants with that time. 0.99

01:54:27.000 There's nobody there saying you shouldn't do that. 0.98

01:54:29.000 No one's saying anything.

01:54:30.000 And little kids gravitate towards that, man.

01:54:32.000 When little kids start drawing, they gravitate towards this expansion of the creative aspects of your mind, like whatever it is in your mind that causes you to have these ideas.

01:54:41.000 Whatever in your mind that causes you to think of a story that you want to write down or a drawing that you want to try to accomplish and try to put down, those little things to a kid are magical.

01:54:52.000 Because they didn't have any of that before.

01:54:54.000 I mean, they just learned how to talk.

01:54:56.000 She's seven.

01:54:57.000 And she's only been talking for five and a half years.

01:54:59.000 You know, all that other stuff before was gibberish.

01:55:01.000 And all of a sudden, she's sitting in front of the pad and no one tells her what to do.

01:55:05.000 Little seven-year-old, like, hmm, I think I'm going to paint today.

01:55:08.000 And she gets out the paint and just puts a little of this and a little of that.

01:55:11.000 You're flexing those little muscles, you know, just as if you were doing push-ups.

01:55:15.000 You're flexing those creative feels.

01:55:18.000 You know?

01:55:18.000 And to encourage that with kids.

01:55:21.000 That's what we all love.

01:55:22.000 We all love doing something.

01:55:24.000 And people say, well, I'm not very creative.

01:55:25.000 I just like working with wood. 0.99

01:55:27.000 That is fucking creative. 1.00

01:55:29.000 Like, Carpenter's a goddamn creative. 1.00

01:55:31.000 You built a house, motherfucker. 1.00

01:55:32.000 Do you understand? 1.00

01:55:33.000 I can't do that.

01:55:34.000 I can't do that.

01:55:35.000 I'm in awe of that, actually.

01:55:36.000 It's amazing.

01:55:37.000 I grew up around construction. 0.96

01:55:39.000 It's fucking hard to do. 1.00

01:55:40.000 You build a badass house, that shit is hard to do. 0.99

01:55:43.000 Or people that are highly mechanically inclined can just take a car completely apart and put it back together in the garage. 0.99

01:55:49.000 I've always been really envious.

01:55:50.000 Guys who build cars, that's art.

01:55:51.000 That's art.

01:55:52.000 Mechanics, there's an art to even being a mechanic.

01:55:55.000 Just doing it all perfect.

01:55:56.000 Putting it together, using your mind, thinking out.

01:55:58.000 How did you maybe get bore out this and put that in and swap this out?

01:56:02.000 And what's the issue with the vehicle?

01:56:03.000 There's a creative aspect to anything that's really satisfying.

01:56:08.000 And I think that we kind of pound that out of kids, man.

01:56:12.000 Yeah, I think that's...

01:56:15.000 Very true.

01:56:16.000 We pounded out of them.

01:56:17.000 Very true.

01:56:17.000 Well, it has no...

01:56:19.000 It doesn't serve capitalism.

01:56:21.000 Yeah.

01:56:21.000 You know, so...

01:56:22.000 Yeah.

01:56:24.000 Like I was saying earlier, I had this train job, and the first year I was there, I was just, like, out on the ground, like, throwing the switches and disconnecting the trains and hooking them back up and that kind of thing, and then I got promoted to what they call,

01:56:39.000 like, a yard master, or, like, well, you know, a yard boss, and you're in the truck, and you're sort of in charge of The inbound and outbound manifest and everything that comes in and how it gets blocked apart and switched over to this track and you're building other trains and you've got to get them out on time.

01:56:54.000 And as soon as they put me in that job, it was like the greatest job I've ever had because I was playing Tetris.

01:56:59.000 You know what I mean? 0.92

01:56:59.000 I was just like fucking Baron von Mutchhausen in my little fucking truck with my 8,000 radios, like tearing trains apart and just watching it all happen and get it out the gate on time. 0.92

01:57:08.000 And it became like a high, you know? 0.99

01:57:10.000 Wow.

01:57:11.000 Because it's high pressure, very dangerous...

01:57:13.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:57:14.000 There's only three guys out there making all this shit happen. 0.96

01:57:16.000 You've got the guy driving the engineer, the dude breaking them apart, and then whoever's on the back, like, sort of playing the chessboard. 0.99

01:57:22.000 Whew.

01:57:23.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:57:24.000 I was like, this is fucking awesome. 0.98

01:57:25.000 I got a big old thermos. 1.00

01:57:27.000 I got all that shit, man. 0.99

01:57:30.000 Yeah, there's some good jobs, for sure. 1.00

01:57:33.000 But if somebody came up to you in the middle of that good job and said, you don't have to do this ever again, you can do whatever the fuck you want, you would leave. 0.79

01:57:40.000 It's a good job for a job. 0.98

01:57:41.000 Yeah, that's what I did.

01:57:42.000 Yeah, it's a good job for a job. 0.98

01:57:43.000 Well, I fucked up and took a management position after that. 0.99

01:57:45.000 Oh, no! 1.00

01:57:46.000 And these offices, totally out of my element, getting screamed out on a conference call when some other asshole didn't get the train out on time. 1.00

01:57:53.000 Isn't that crazy? 0.98

01:57:53.000 Because you went from having this cool, high-pressure job that makes you feel good to making more money, but you don't want to get that juice anymore. 0.98

01:58:00.000 Yeah, I was like, man, this is way too stable.

01:58:02.000 I better be a songwriter.

01:58:06.000 You know?

01:58:07.000 No, I burnt out.

01:58:08.000 I hit Vaporlock.

01:58:09.000 I can't. 0.99

01:58:10.000 I was like, I've got to go to fucking golf. 0.99

01:58:12.000 I can't imagine. 1.00

01:58:13.000 Shit with other dudes in khaki pants now. 1.00

01:58:16.000 Those poor guys. 1.00

01:58:16.000 I can't even pretend to be this guy. 1.00

01:58:17.000 What am I thinking?

01:58:18.000 Those are the guys that I think of when I, that Thoreau quote.

01:58:22.000 Most men live lives of silent desperation. 0.96

01:58:25.000 Those are the men I think of.

01:58:26.000 Those men that have fallen into some salary position where they're not happy and they want to get out and they don't know how to. 0.95

01:58:33.000 Well, they have the downfall of being highly efficient individuals and other CEOs recognize that and be like, I can put you on salary and work you 90 hours a week and you're going to get it done because you won't let yourself fail, but you'll probably fucking drink five pots of coffee a day and Well,

01:58:49.000 listen, Sturgill, if you keep going, you've got a good position in this company.

01:58:52.000 I'm telling you, you've got a bright future.

01:58:54.000 You can make it happen.

01:58:56.000 401k, 519A. I'm making those numbers up.

01:59:01.000 All that shit. 1.00

01:59:02.000 It's crazy. 1.00

01:59:03.000 It's most people.

01:59:04.000 You know?

01:59:05.000 People get tired of people hearing this because they don't...

01:59:09.000 Know what to do.

01:59:11.000 I didn't know what to do forever.

01:59:14.000 But then you do.

01:59:16.000 I always played music, but never thought it was something you could even do for a job.

01:59:20.000 I wouldn't have known where to go or how to do that until I married somebody a lot smarter than me one day.

01:59:26.000 I was like, man, I'm really unhappy. 1.00

01:59:27.000 She's like, it's because you're supposed to be playing music, dumbass. 0.99

01:59:31.000 I was like, oh, that's probably true. 0.99

01:59:34.000 But if you did it earlier, you wouldn't be you.

01:59:37.000 It's the craziest thing ever. 0.98

01:59:38.000 It's like you had to go through all that bullshit to get the sound that you have now, to get the soul behind it that you have now. 0.98

01:59:44.000 Sure. 0.99

01:59:44.000 That's the sound of a man who suffered. 0.99

01:59:47.000 Oh, yeah.

01:59:47.000 That's the sound of a man who understands.

01:59:49.000 That's the woes is me.

01:59:51.000 That's real.

01:59:53.000 There's real emotions, you know?

01:59:54.000 Like that Jolene song that we're talking about.

01:59:57.000 Yeah, you're all lost though, man.

01:59:58.000 If it had happened when I was younger, it would have been way more interesting to watch. 0.99

02:00:01.000 I would have fucked it up so good and proper. 0.98

02:00:02.000 You spiraled hard, right? 0.99

02:00:03.000 So good and proper, yeah.

02:00:07.000 No.

02:00:08.000 I mean, that's props to Justin Bieber.

02:00:10.000 We're happy, man.

02:00:12.000 He's keeping it together.

02:00:13.000 It's hard to complain.

02:00:15.000 It's hard to complain.

02:00:17.000 Yeah, it should be.

02:00:18.000 We got a great, great, great band.

02:00:19.000 Family's healthy.

02:00:20.000 Dude, you're in the groove.

02:00:21.000 I'm in the groove.

02:00:22.000 I'm doing my thing as far as I want to.

02:00:24.000 You're in what my friend Vinnie Shorman calls Hakalau.

02:00:28.000 It's when he's a hypnotherapist.

02:00:31.000 He does a lot of mind work with fighters, like a mind coach.

02:00:36.000 And he's like, there's this state that you get in where everything just flows.

02:00:41.000 Everything flows.

02:00:42.000 And that's... 1.00

02:00:43.000 What you've figured out how to do so brilliantly in your life is after you've been through a bunch of bullshit. 0.97

02:00:48.000 You've figured out how to get to a place of success and then you're able to just do your thing. 0.97

02:00:54.000 That's your flow.

02:00:56.000 You found your thing.

02:00:58.000 That's a...

02:00:59.000 Yeah, and I had to learn that even in the last few years, you know, because it's so easy when...

02:01:04.000 I've always used a metaphor, when you're on the train, it's hard to tell how fast it's going.

02:01:09.000 And more importantly, where it's going, because a lot of times you don't really have any control or even say so in that matter.

02:01:16.000 And in some regards, you don't want to know how the sausage gets made.

02:01:20.000 But then...

02:01:24.000 I'm at a point now where it's as far as I ever want to go.

02:01:28.000 Because I have all the freedom to do what I want.

02:01:31.000 And it might not sell as good or as great as the last one did, but I'm having fun.

02:01:38.000 And it's going to be okay, you know?

02:01:40.000 I don't think you're going to have any problems.

02:01:42.000 I think the real issues have always been in the past about distribution in terms of radio play, album sales.

02:01:48.000 So we don't do any of that.

02:01:49.000 A guy like you, yeah.

02:01:50.000 And a guy like you, you're so locked in.

02:01:53.000 You came along at the right time, man.

02:01:54.000 You're locked in the zeitgeist.

02:01:56.000 But you came along at the right time of the internet.

02:01:59.000 I think it was all luck in the right time.

02:02:03.000 Definitely not all luck.

02:02:04.000 But there was definitely like...

02:02:06.000 I'm just glad nobody else wrote a song about turtles that year.

02:02:10.000 Because it would have been a very different outcome.

02:02:13.000 It would have been like that year that they had the two meteor movies.

02:02:16.000 Oh, yeah.

02:02:17.000 Yeah, right.

02:02:18.000 Exactly.

02:02:18.000 Yeah.

02:02:18.000 Can't have fucking two Turtle songs, man.

02:02:20.000 Yeah, you can't have that. 1.00

02:02:22.000 Even today. 0.97

02:02:22.000 Some guy wrote a book this year with the same title of that song, and man, he was getting all kinds of shit on the internet. 0.97

02:02:28.000 I was like, I didn't fucking come up with it. 0.91

02:02:29.000 Like, don't send this to me. 0.65

02:02:31.000 Yeah, people don't want to look into things.

02:02:33.000 Yeah.

02:02:34.000 Turtles all the way down.

02:02:35.000 People don't want to look into things.

02:02:36.000 I didn't know what it meant until you explained it.

02:02:38.000 I still don't know what it means.

02:02:40.000 I just thought, you know.

02:02:41.000 Yeah.

02:02:41.000 That's cool.

02:02:42.000 No, I know what it means, but in a very dumbed down...

02:02:45.000 To make this a standalone podcast, explain to people what turtles all the way to do.

02:02:48.000 Well, it's a jocular expression.

02:02:50.000 More of a funny way to put what is originally a concept, as far as I know, that was first described in detail by a Jesuit priest named Pierre de Chardin.

02:03:04.000 All about the omega point in the universe and how all consciousness emits from this one central point of origin where the whole thing banged out from And it's all just expanding and reciprocating back to itself and like absorbing everything going on.

02:03:19.000 But it's this one point where all things spiritual, scientific, metaphysical, all matter in the universe, all fucking knowledge emits from.

02:03:27.000 And he got blackballed from the Vatican for preaching that. 0.83

02:03:30.000 Because he was like, you don't necessarily need to stand in a building to talk to God because God is everywhere and all around you and inside you all the time.

02:03:38.000 Whatever you want God to be or, you know.

02:03:42.000 So I got it from a Stephen Hawking book where, and it's weird, you can go around the world and there's all these ancient civilizations, whether it be some Native American tribes or parts of Far Eastern Asia where they find like these adherence to turtles and elephants and old culture and Hindu mythology.

02:03:58.000 There's even a Hindu illustration representing sort of a similar figure or myth that it all sat on the back of this great turtle flying around in space because they held those animals in such regard as old and wise creatures.

02:04:12.000 Actually, turtles are the oldest living species on the planet.

02:04:16.000 They predate crocodiles.

02:04:18.000 Wow.

02:04:19.000 And the symmetry of their shell designs, no matter what species, it's always 13 pieces, which a lot of the old tribes thought had something to do with the lunar phases of the sun and how it was all tied in together with, you know.

02:04:33.000 Whoa. 0.97

02:04:34.000 Anyway, long way of saying that that song was written as a result of a lot of fucking reading. 0.99

02:04:40.000 Not necessarily taking drugs, you know. 0.97

02:04:43.000 Wasn't that the original, one of the more original calendars?

02:04:48.000 Wasn't there like a 13 lunar cycle calendar?

02:04:50.000 Yeah.

02:04:51.000 Was it Mayan?

02:04:53.000 Yeah.

02:04:53.000 I think that is what it is.

02:04:55.000 I think it is a Mayan calendar.

02:04:57.000 But it's all these things I sort of found or symbiotically were connected.

02:05:01.000 I was reading at the time and I was about to have my first child and I was just like, man, I want to make a country record about all this shit or like you know write a song about the book of the dead and but as a traditional country record and then incorporate some classic rock psychedelia so that was all that was That's how I found you.

02:05:22.000 Yeah.

02:05:22.000 People online, like, yo, dude, this guy making psychedelic country music, gotta have him on your podcast.

02:05:27.000 But then, like, then everywhere you go, people are making, like, handing you, like, hand bone glass third eyes and shit, you know what I mean?

02:05:32.000 Like, you get some real interesting characters, man. 0.94

02:05:34.000 Get a little too many of those.

02:05:35.000 When you throw it out there like that.

02:05:36.000 There's too many bongs out there. 0.97

02:05:38.000 Right.

02:05:40.000 People still rock the bong, though.

02:05:41.000 Gotta respect that, you know?

02:05:43.000 It's like driving a manual car.

02:05:44.000 I never was a bong guy. 0.87

02:05:46.000 It's too heavy, man. 0.99

02:05:47.000 I got shit to do, man. 0.99

02:05:48.000 I can't... 0.99

02:05:49.000 Oh, the hit?

02:05:49.000 Just peel down.

02:05:51.000 Or the dab thing.

02:05:52.000 I got friends in Colorado, California now. 1.00

02:05:55.000 The first time I ever did that shit. 0.99

02:05:58.000 This is a pretty embarrassing story, but my buddy, you know, they were all like California, Colorado guys. 1.00

02:06:04.000 They were all...

02:06:05.000 Pretty hard.

02:06:05.000 I'm not really a heavy smoker, man, to be honest.

02:06:07.000 On the road, it keeps me occupied from time to time.

02:06:10.000 But if I'm riding, maybe.

02:06:11.000 But at home, you know, there's no need. 0.99

02:06:15.000 So the first time I did that shit, I didn't know what it was. 0.99

02:06:19.000 You know, I just pulled it like it was a big old bong rip. 0.99

02:06:22.000 And then, like, everybody's face was like...

02:06:24.000 You know, I need to instantly know you just did something you shouldn't have.

02:06:27.000 Oh, no. 1.00

02:06:28.000 And I was like, oh, fuck, man. 0.99

02:06:30.000 So I sat down, and for a couple minutes, I just started getting really cold and clammy. 1.00

02:06:34.000 And I was like, yep, I'm going to puke. 1.00

02:06:36.000 So I went over and I was like, fuck this guy. 1.00

02:06:38.000 So I puked right in his sink. 1.00

02:06:39.000 And I was like, dude, I gotta go home. 0.99

02:06:41.000 I feel like dog shit now, and I'm pretty sure I'm dying. 0.97

02:06:44.000 So we lived in this apartment, and I went out the door and turned the corner to go down the hallway to mine, and it was full on vertigo. 0.99

02:06:52.000 Every time I took a step, the hallway got twice as long. 0.99

02:06:55.000 And I was like, this is fucked up. 0.98

02:06:57.000 My wife was out of the country on work at the time. 0.99

02:06:59.000 I remember I was sitting down in the hallway. 0.99

02:07:02.000 Just, like, trying to get my shit together, man, because I thought I was having a fucking heart attack. 0.99

02:07:06.000 It was just, like, sweating. 1.00

02:07:09.000 And I remember this voice saying, get up, you stupid junkie fuck, before somebody comes out here and sees you, you know, sitting in the hallway like a dumbass. 1.00

02:07:18.000 And I managed to, like, pop out of it. 1.00

02:07:20.000 And as soon as I got back to my place and sat down on the couch, everything was fine.

02:07:25.000 But it was just so initial in the rush.

02:07:28.000 I was just like, nobody needs to be that stone, you know?

02:07:32.000 That fast.

02:07:33.000 I'm sorry.

02:07:35.000 What kind of milligrams are you getting, do you think?

02:07:38.000 They just had that nail head torch thing with this $3,000 glass piece. 1.00

02:07:43.000 I was like, you guys are taking this shit way too seriously. 1.00

02:07:46.000 You could be curing fucking cancer somewhere right now, I'm pretty sure, if they put the effort, energy, and... 1.00

02:07:52.000 Mind power. 0.99

02:07:53.000 Have you seen the laser bongs now?

02:07:55.000 I got a video sent to me the other day.

02:07:57.000 It's got a pressure-activated laser bong.

02:08:00.000 It shoots a beam and ignites the flower.

02:08:02.000 Oh, Jesus. 1.00

02:08:03.000 What the fuck's that guy doing? 1.00

02:08:05.000 Come on, man. 1.00

02:08:07.000 The thing is, they might be curing cancer.

02:08:09.000 We've got space colonies that somebody's going to need to build.

02:08:11.000 How many cancer patients are taking dabs?

02:08:13.000 That might be the key.

02:08:14.000 Out here, probably a lot.

02:08:16.000 Get them on it.

02:08:17.000 If I was dying of terminal cancer, that's when you want to be that high.

02:08:21.000 Look at this thing.

02:08:23.000 Do that again, Jamie?

02:08:25.000 Yeah.

02:08:26.000 Oh, that's it.

02:08:27.000 Look at this thing.

02:08:29.000 He hits the light.

02:08:30.000 Look at this laser. 0.99

02:08:31.000 This is fucking insane. 1.00

02:08:32.000 Now, how do you not go blind staring at this? 0.99

02:08:34.000 So he's heating it up.

02:08:36.000 It's cooking.

02:08:37.000 That's a good question.

02:08:39.000 And then he takes a big hit.

02:08:41.000 Wow.

02:08:42.000 Yeah, anyway.

02:08:44.000 The medical strength stuff, I totally understand. 1.00

02:08:46.000 Fuck. 1.00

02:08:47.000 That seems like you go blind, like if you're staring at a welder. 1.00

02:08:50.000 Yeah.

02:08:50.000 You know?

02:08:51.000 Do you have to wear a welding mask?

02:08:54.000 Somebody very close to my life recently that was dealing with that.

02:09:00.000 Vertigo?

02:09:01.000 No, like heavy medical issues, health issues, and we got him some edibles, and he's like the only thing that made it okay, that discomfort.

02:09:11.000 So when I had to have a sinus surgery, We talked about this. 0.98

02:09:16.000 When we played the Grammys out here last year, I was sick as fuck, man. 0.98

02:09:21.000 Like, I was getting all year, for like the last year and a half on the road, I was getting these horrible sinus infections all the time. 0.97

02:09:25.000 And I just assumed it was allergies.

02:09:28.000 Tennessee's really bad about that.

02:09:30.000 Or we'd go to Texas or Atlanta places in October when all these crazy dogwoods are kicking off.

02:09:35.000 And I would lose my voice.

02:09:37.000 And, you know, by no fault of my own, it became very frustrating from a touring standpoint.

02:09:41.000 Because I felt like I was always sick.

02:09:43.000 Because I was.

02:09:45.000 So when we flew out and did the Grammys, I was all plugged up, couldn't sing.

02:09:50.000 Obviously, biggest gig in my life, kind of stressing it.

02:09:52.000 So the label guy sent me to this doctor who looked up in there and realized, you know, I probably had my nose broken at some point or just a really deviated septum when I was younger.

02:10:02.000 So like a broken air filter.

02:10:03.000 But then when they did the scan, like all the cavities were just completely caked with residual bacteria and infection.

02:10:11.000 He's like, he's like, if you get on a plane and fly home, you're probably going to get meningitis.

02:10:15.000 Whoa.

02:10:15.000 So we had to play the Grammys.

02:10:17.000 He nuked me with all this shit. 0.99

02:10:19.000 I don't even know what he did, but it opened it up for like a day. 1.00

02:10:22.000 That's where I was able to sing.

02:10:23.000 So the next day, the whole band, they flew home. 0.98

02:10:25.000 I had to stay out here for like nine days, I think, and go in every morning twice a day for IVs for him to clean that shit out so I could fly home. 0.98

02:10:33.000 Wow. 0.99

02:10:35.000 Wow. 0.99

02:10:49.000 While I was recuperating, long story short, I didn't want to take any of the opioid or the fucking pills that they gave me to deal with the pain. 1.00

02:10:58.000 I was like, I'm not taking that shit. 1.00

02:10:59.000 You're going to give me this for four weeks? 1.00

02:11:00.000 Like, no.

02:11:01.000 No way.

02:11:02.000 And so I just got a bunch of medical strength edibles.

02:11:06.000 And my wife and the kids, they had to come out my way to rent a house. 1.00

02:11:08.000 I had to be here to recover and shit. 0.99

02:11:10.000 And man, just laying in bed listening to headphones stoned out of my mind for like a week recovering. 0.99

02:11:16.000 And that's...

02:11:18.000 It's kind of awesome because you feel like when you're actually in pain or when you need that heavy type of alleviation, what it is actually doing and offering you in terms of relief. 0.98

02:11:31.000 And it gave me a whole new understanding and respect for the medical side of that shit. 0.98

02:11:35.000 Here we are back on pot again. 0.99

02:11:37.000 And then my buddy who dealt with some pretty serious cancer said it was literally the only thing that made him feel better.

02:11:43.000 So what did it do for you? 0.99

02:11:44.000 So you're in this terrible agony, your nose is all fucked up. 0.98

02:11:48.000 It was all plugged up. 0.98

02:11:48.000 I had all this gauze and shit, and I could feel where they'd been in there behind me. 0.98

02:11:53.000 Scraping? 0.98

02:11:53.000 Scraping. 0.98

02:11:54.000 So immediately, all that was gone, and you just sort of get really docile and euphoric. 0.98

02:12:00.000 I mean, so fucking high. 0.73

02:12:02.000 But it didn't affect me in an overdose-y, nauseous sort of way, like if you're eating too many edibles, because your body actually needs it. 0.98

02:12:10.000 Yeah.

02:12:11.000 I laid there listening to headphones and came up with the record I'm working on now, which is great for me because it was like, that's what I want to do next, you know?

02:12:20.000 Yeah, it's a crazy ride, those edibles, but if you can take that ride, you get something out of it.

02:12:25.000 And sometimes people take the ride and the feeling is just too self-examinatory, too paranoia-inducing.

02:12:33.000 Sometimes people just can't handle it.

02:12:35.000 On a mass legality issue, I mean, if anything, I know it's just going to fuck pot up, you know, but from a medical stance, I can't see any reason why we're still even talking about this.

02:12:48.000 Yeah.

02:12:49.000 You know?

02:12:49.000 No, it doesn't make sense.

02:12:50.000 We're being fucked over by giant pharmaceutical companies that are making billions of dollars and they would realize how much more money they would be losing every year if marijuana becomes fully legal. 0.94

02:13:03.000 They've already lost money for sure. 0.98

02:13:04.000 I guarantee you there's people that are buying edible marijuana right now that would have bought pain pills.

02:13:09.000 They know it.

02:13:10.000 Also insurance companies.

02:13:11.000 Yep.

02:13:12.000 You know, on-the-job accidents.

02:13:13.000 Oh, we had weed in the system.

02:13:15.000 We're not going to pay that.

02:13:16.000 My life insurance now, man, this is crazy.

02:13:20.000 One of the first interviews I ever did, I think, I talked about the first time I moved to Nashville and how I didn't really know anybody.

02:13:28.000 This was like 2005, and it was a different town then.

02:13:31.000 And I said, I spent most of my time listening and playing bluegrass and drinking.

02:13:37.000 Which is pretty much what everybody does the first year they moved to Nashville.

02:13:42.000 But then I said, like, after that, well, I moved out to Utah and got this job and got sober.

02:13:47.000 I was working all the time.

02:13:48.000 So somebody put on my Wikipedia page that I've talked about my struggles with alcohol. 1.00

02:13:54.000 And those people read that shit, man. 0.94

02:13:55.000 When I had to get a life insurance policy, like they showed up, they'd read all the interviews and like, wow, you've been really open about this and that. 1.00

02:14:01.000 And I was like, yeah.

02:14:02.000 And they're like, so you do the whole medical test.

02:14:06.000 And of course I test positive for THC because I'm on the road all the time.

02:14:09.000 And I was like, but I don't, I don't smoke it.

02:14:12.000 You know, I vape or edibles.

02:14:14.000 Like I don't, I'm not a smoker.

02:14:15.000 I never smoked cigarettes.

02:14:17.000 But they list you as a smoker. 0.98

02:14:19.000 And now I have like a criminally fucking insane yearly life insurance policy. 0.80

02:14:24.000 Because of course, like, you know, they think, well, musician too. 0.99

02:14:26.000 This guy's going to die. 1.00

02:14:27.000 We can't fuck you. 1.00

02:14:28.000 I have the exact same thing. 1.00

02:14:29.000 Yeah, it's insane.

02:14:30.000 Like, I don't even smoke.

02:14:31.000 But I'm listed as a smoker.

02:14:33.000 And it's like literally $9,000. 0.99

02:14:35.000 Some crazy fucking premium just to make sure my family's okay if I die on a business trip. 0.99

02:14:40.000 Yeah, they tested me, and they said, well, you tested positive for pot. 1.00

02:14:46.000 I go, yeah, that's because I smoke pot.

02:14:47.000 You already know that.

02:14:48.000 Like, what are you doing?

02:14:49.000 Trying to pretend I'm not healthy?

02:14:51.000 Has anybody ever died from smoking pot? 1.00

02:14:52.000 No, it's stupid. 1.00

02:14:53.000 It's a dumb thing. 1.00

02:14:54.000 Unless you think that I'm going to do dumb shit because I'm high all the time, if that's what you think. 0.99

02:14:57.000 But that doesn't make any sense. 0.99

02:14:58.000 You need to test how healthy I am.

02:15:00.000 Guess what? 0.99

02:15:01.000 I'm fucking healthy. 0.98

02:15:02.000 Right. 0.96

02:15:02.000 Yeah, I work out all the time, super healthy, eat good. 0.96

02:15:05.000 I know what I'm doing.

02:15:06.000 Like, you don't know what you're doing.

02:15:07.000 The problem is you don't know what you're doing.

02:15:08.000 You're the insurance guy.

02:15:09.000 You don't know what you're doing.

02:15:10.000 If you knew what you were doing, you would look at each individual and go, this guy's fine.

02:15:14.000 This guy's healthy.

02:15:15.000 This guy's concentrating on his health. 0.99

02:15:16.000 This guy who doesn't smoke pot and just eats sugar all day, this guy's kind of fucked, though. 1.00

02:15:20.000 Oh, that guy's real fucked. 1.00

02:15:21.000 That guy's fucked. 1.00

02:15:22.000 This guy who's on Adderall because he's got a prescription for ADD and you don't have a problem with that, that guy's fucked. 1.00

02:15:29.000 There's a lot of people that are fucked out there, and these insurance companies that think that a guy who smokes pot is more likely to die, there's no statistics to back that up. 1.00

02:15:38.000 There's no statistics that say that people who smoke pot are more likely to get diseases or die of some sort of a fucking debilitating syndrome that came about because of overuse of THC. It doesn't exist. 0.99

02:15:50.000 But they're not even testing you for alcohol.

02:15:52.000 They ask you how much you drink, but they're not testing you.

02:15:56.000 They can't test you.

02:15:57.000 It's not in your system anymore. 0.98

02:15:58.000 It's really strange because in the Navy and the Railroad, there were very stringent, obviously highly stringent drug policies, but drinking your ass off every night is completely fine. 0.96

02:16:08.000 Completely fine.

02:16:09.000 Don't smoke a joint at 5 p.m., but kill that six-pack and come in here and build this train the next morning.

02:16:15.000 Those were always the guys that made me nervous.

02:16:17.000 Not only that, there's like a culture of honor behind it.

02:16:19.000 Like how much you can handle your drunk.

02:16:22.000 How much can you handle your drinking? 1.00

02:16:23.000 Bobby had 17 fucking beers. 1.00

02:16:25.000 I swear to God, bro, you would think he had zero. 1.00

02:16:27.000 He's right there.

02:16:28.000 Good for Bobby.

02:16:29.000 Bobby's an animal. 0.57

02:16:31.000 Bobby puts him down.

02:16:32.000 There's like a badge of honor that goes to that.

02:16:36.000 Meanwhile, he's taking something that's completely hindering his thought process, his His stability, his emotions are all out of whack. 1.00

02:16:46.000 He's fucking drunk as shit. 1.00

02:16:48.000 He doesn't know what he's doing. 1.00

02:16:49.000 He's wrestling.

02:16:51.000 His brain is wrestling with alcohol right now, which is one of the weirdest depressants.

02:16:56.000 It's awful.

02:16:57.000 One of the weirdest drugs.

02:17:00.000 You spend a lot of time on the road traveling constantly.

02:17:05.000 One, you can't really drink, especially at our age.

02:17:08.000 It just does things to me.

02:17:08.000 You look out at rooms full of people every night that are sometimes really drunk.

02:17:12.000 If you work with people...

02:17:14.000 I don't.

02:17:15.000 I refuse to.

02:17:16.000 I don't really let people drink in my band on the road.

02:17:21.000 That's cost me players because they'd rather drink than be in your band.

02:17:24.000 It just...

02:17:25.000 Would you say you don't drink?

02:17:26.000 Can they have a glass of wine with dinner?

02:17:28.000 Well, that's like, you know, a beer or two.

02:17:32.000 Right.

02:17:32.000 Just not getting hammered.

02:17:33.000 I'm just saying there's people that shouldn't drink.

02:17:35.000 Right.

02:17:35.000 You know what I mean?

02:17:36.000 Yes. 1.00

02:17:36.000 Like the guy that has one drink and instantly turns into a different motherfucker altogether. 1.00

02:17:40.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:17:41.000 And then by the time he's on that third one, everybody's like, how much longer do we got to do this?

02:17:46.000 Yeah.

02:17:46.000 There's a lot of those guys out there, too.

02:17:48.000 A lot of people.

02:17:49.000 I didn't know that existed in...

02:17:51.000 Until the first time I met one.

02:17:53.000 One where the switch goes off and they get gerbilized.

02:17:56.000 Oh, the Jekyll and Hydrone?

02:17:57.000 Yeah, they get gerbilized.

02:17:59.000 Gerbilized, wow, that's a good way to put it.

02:18:01.000 They're out there like... 1.00

02:18:03.000 Shit gets weird. 1.00

02:18:04.000 Whoa, and they're moving around like they're a normal, a woke person. 1.00

02:18:08.000 Hashtag woke.

02:18:10.000 Yeah, there's a weird contradiction we have in the society.

02:18:13.000 We were constantly drinking drugs in the form of caffeine, constantly getting drugs in the form of whatever your doctor prescribes you for depression or anxiety or ADHD or whatever that is, constantly going out and having drinks, taking drugs,

02:18:29.000 the drugs being alcohol, taking a whiskey drug and a vodka drug, and no one thinks anything of it.

02:18:36.000 And they're like, well, I don't do drugs.

02:18:39.000 Drugs all day.

02:18:40.000 All day.

02:18:41.000 There's so few people who don't do any drugs.

02:18:44.000 Some drugs are super beneficial.

02:18:46.000 Think about those weed edibles that made you write this album.

02:18:49.000 That's a beneficial...

02:18:51.000 Well, it didn't make you write it, but you were on it while you wrote it.

02:18:54.000 Give it a little credit.

02:18:55.000 I think I was listening to some old records of Early Love and I was like, yeah, that sounds good.

02:19:01.000 You can feel music better when you're high.

02:19:04.000 Britney Spears sounds good when you get high enough, man.

02:19:07.000 You kidding me? 0.99

02:19:08.000 Turning that shit up, like, yeah, Britney. 1.00

02:19:11.000 God bless her. 1.00

02:19:12.000 I like Miley Cyrus' music while I'm high.

02:19:14.000 I'm gonna admit it right now. 0.99

02:19:16.000 That song, Malibu, it's a good fucking song, man. 0.99

02:19:18.000 It's a good song. 1.00

02:19:19.000 Don't laugh at me, Jamie.

02:19:22.000 It mocks me.

02:19:23.000 As if a young cute girl can't be a real artist. 1.00

02:19:26.000 Son of a bitch. 1.00

02:19:27.000 It's like the first thing you played in the studio here in the gym. 1.00

02:19:29.000 That's right.

02:19:30.000 Super loud.

02:19:31.000 Yeah.

02:19:31.000 You got a big stereo on here?

02:19:32.000 Oh, yeah.

02:19:33.000 Oh, do you?

02:19:34.000 Oh, yeah.

02:19:34.000 Of course.

02:19:34.000 This place is filled with speakers.

02:19:36.000 Good for you.

02:19:37.000 I went to a name drop real quick because yesterday was probably one of those days where you're like, yeah, this is why I do this.

02:19:46.000 Yeah.

02:19:49.000 I ended up going up to Malibu to Rick Rubin's house and was playing him some of this record I'm working on just to get some feedback and it's one of those moments when you realize you're sitting like Rick Rubin's like all Indian style on his couch head banging like a fucking caveman and he had literally the best sounding stereo system I've ever heard in my life.

02:20:12.000 I could only imagine.

02:20:13.000 I mean, better than any top-grade studio monitors I've ever set in front of.

02:20:17.000 It was just like...

02:20:18.000 Yep.

02:20:21.000 Yeah, that's really Rick Rubin, too.

02:20:23.000 That's the other thing. 0.99

02:20:24.000 The coolest part, that was the only thing that was in the fucking room, was the couch. 0.98

02:20:28.000 He was literally like the TKA guy sitting in the chair in front of this tower. 0.99

02:20:32.000 It was just the stereo on the floor in this fucking empty room. 0.97

02:20:35.000 I don't know what it was or what the speakers even were. 0.98

02:20:38.000 I'd never seen anything like it, but it...

02:20:40.000 I bet it's like what Rollins has.

02:20:42.000 Henry Rollins says these speakers we were talking about the other day, they're like a quarter million dollars.

02:20:45.000 Is that what they were?

02:20:47.000 Quarter million dollar speakers in his living room.

02:20:49.000 These towers, these two towers, and they're just...

02:20:52.000 I mean, I've never experienced it, so I don't know what it's like.

02:20:56.000 But I gotta assume that you've spent a quarter million dollars for some speakers. 0.80

02:21:00.000 I thought I'd heard some pretty impressive speakers in my time, but this was like some really holy shit this exists kind of moment. 0.87

02:21:08.000 Right, right. 0.75

02:21:09.000 It makes sense.

02:21:10.000 It doesn't even have to be that loud, right?

02:21:11.000 It's just that the sound is so powerful, right?

02:21:13.000 Yeah.

02:21:14.000 I don't want a car.

02:21:15.000 I want a samurai sword and Rick Rubin's home stereo.

02:21:19.000 That's it.

02:21:20.000 That's what I'm aspiring to now.

02:21:22.000 And a Bronco.

02:21:22.000 And a lightsaber.

02:21:23.000 Give the man a Bronco and a lightsaber.

02:21:25.000 Yeah, I had a Bronco.

02:21:26.000 I had a badass Bronco.

02:21:27.000 My second one, we moved to Nashville and Bronco.

02:21:30.000 It was my wife's.

02:21:31.000 It died.

02:21:32.000 I ended up scoring this sweet one, this redneck in Livingston, Tennessee or somewhere. 0.98

02:21:37.000 I bought it off from him.

02:21:38.000 It was a 92, and he'd like...

02:21:41.000 Matt blacked it out.

02:21:42.000 My buddy Bobby took it for like a month while I was on tour in Europe and stripped all the interior out.

02:21:47.000 We rhino-hied the entire liner.

02:21:49.000 Took all the plastic. 0.99

02:21:50.000 Everything was just like a fucking Mad Max death trap. 0.98

02:21:53.000 We had these bucket Colbert leather racing seats we bolted in. 0.99

02:21:56.000 And then I had two kids.

02:21:58.000 And I was like...

02:21:59.000 I'm going to die driving in this thing. 0.99

02:22:01.000 It had a 400 Windsor rebuild with cams, headers, the whole goddamn thing. 1.00

02:22:05.000 My neighbors hated it. 0.98

02:22:07.000 I gave it to my drummer when his truck died.

02:22:10.000 He actually, unlike most kids of the millennial era, really put time and money and effort and work into it.

02:22:17.000 He was fixing it up and making it his.

02:22:19.000 Then he's getting married, so he's got a real truck.

02:22:21.000 Now that Bronco's gone.

02:22:22.000 I feel like it's probably time to find a sweet Bronco.

02:22:25.000 Yeah, that's a good era, too.

02:22:27.000 The O.J.'s Bronco here is a more understated Bronco.

02:22:30.000 Yep.

02:22:30.000 The locking hubs.

02:22:31.000 Yeah.

02:22:32.000 The move is to get one of those and keep it plain jamming on the outside.

02:22:35.000 But on the inside, just put a badass stereo in it.

02:22:38.000 See, that's what I really want to do, is...

02:22:42.000 Because I don't...

02:22:42.000 I'd like to have some...

02:22:44.000 Yeah, it's very unassuming.

02:22:45.000 And then on the inside, just look like a rocket ship.

02:22:47.000 Yeah.

02:22:48.000 With all the accoutrement.

02:22:49.000 That can be done.

02:22:50.000 Yeah, easily.

02:22:51.000 Yeah.

02:22:53.000 And very modernized, user-friendly.

02:22:55.000 But what are you going to pay to do that, man? 0.98

02:22:56.000 You could fucking go buy a 1970 Cuda or something. 0.99

02:22:59.000 You could buy a house. 1.00

02:23:00.000 Right.

02:23:00.000 Yeah, you could buy a house where you live.

02:23:02.000 For real.

02:23:04.000 Yeah.

02:23:04.000 Buy a fat piece of land.

02:23:06.000 Actually, Nashville, the real estate has gotten pretty crazy.

02:23:09.000 I don't live in Nashville anymore, but...

02:23:11.000 I don't know.

02:23:12.000 Much like Austin, I mean, five years from now, there may not be any music in Nashville, because I don't know how many musicians are going to afford to live there.

02:23:19.000 Yeah, that's what I keep hearing.

02:23:20.000 It gentrifies so fast.

02:23:22.000 Like an explosion, right?

02:23:23.000 An explosion.

02:23:24.000 Logistically, the infrastructure, the traffic, it's like a miniature version of L.A. now.

02:23:27.000 When did it start?

02:23:29.000 Hard to say.

02:23:30.000 I mean, the first time I lived there was in 2005, and it was a different city then.

02:23:35.000 None of this had happened.

02:23:36.000 A lot of the hit bars now, like, there could have been eight people in there on a Friday night.

02:23:42.000 I'm not really sure.

02:23:43.000 I moved there 2011. And I think it was like in the last two or three years, though.

02:23:50.000 All the gentrification started around then.

02:23:53.000 They were building these, you know, what used to be the blown out, dilapidated parts of town.

02:23:57.000 The high rises started going up and shopping centers and that sort of thing.

02:24:01.000 And And there's still very much the old Nashville.

02:24:05.000 It's almost like two or three different cities in some cases in terms of personality.

02:24:09.000 But the influx and all this change has sort of changed what it is.

02:24:16.000 But Austin used to be a thriving music scene, but now it's like all the tech industry moved in and the cost of living and property is just...

02:24:25.000 Insane.

02:24:26.000 Struggling service industry, job, day-to-day, as we say, artists, people trying to make it.

02:24:31.000 They're all having to live an hour outside of town and commute in for the gigs.

02:24:35.000 Wow.

02:24:38.000 That's crazy.

02:24:39.000 And what do you think was the catalyst?

02:24:41.000 What caused the launch?

02:24:43.000 It just became a cool place to be.

02:24:46.000 Yeah.

02:24:46.000 There was...

02:24:51.000 Well, it's always been a publishing hub.

02:24:53.000 I mean, it's a music town, and there's all kinds of music.

02:24:56.000 They're not just country music.

02:24:58.000 When did that TV show come out?

02:25:00.000 There was a big Nashville TV show.

02:25:02.000 That would have been about four or five years ago, I think.

02:25:04.000 Do you think that fucked it up? 0.96

02:25:05.000 All those dorks, they go, oh, we're going to live there. 0.95

02:25:07.000 Well, there's definitely tours from that TV show. 0.95

02:25:10.000 Drink out of a mason jar.

02:25:11.000 It's such a soap opera version that isn't really that far enough away from how that world probably works.

02:25:18.000 I never saw it.

02:25:19.000 I didn't either.

02:25:20.000 My wife watched it one night and I just was like, no.

02:25:27.000 I've been there a bunch of times playing Zanies.

02:25:30.000 Okay, now that little street where you're talking about, that corner on 8th Avenue, there's Zaney's, you got Douglas Corner, then there's a lot of shops that I go to on Sundays.

02:25:42.000 They're auctioneers, they do all these old estate sales and really cool furniture.

02:25:46.000 But that little pocket, that intersection, is probably one of the few remaining bastions of funk.

02:26:04.000 Right, right.

02:26:08.000 But a lot of other things change around things that don't.

02:26:11.000 Does that make sense?

02:26:12.000 It does make sense.

02:26:13.000 Yeah.

02:26:13.000 Those are cool little pockets then, right?

02:26:15.000 Yeah.

02:26:16.000 I got a good friend, Billy Wayne Davis.

02:26:18.000 I met him at Zany's one night.

02:26:22.000 Back when I was on Twitter, he reached out like, I'm playing here tonight.

02:26:25.000 Free ticket.

02:26:26.000 So my wife and I went.

02:26:26.000 We like comedy.

02:26:28.000 Got to know him and he ended up opening a tour for me.

02:26:30.000 That place is one of those places where you know it's good and old based on the number of dead people on the wall.

02:26:37.000 Right.

02:26:38.000 Seriously.

02:26:38.000 And you're walking around, you're like, oh, Richard Jennings, he's dead.

02:26:40.000 If you can walk in and taste cocaine.

02:26:41.000 Yeah.

02:26:42.000 Well, I mean, the photos, the headshots of all the dead comedians, there's so many of them.

02:26:48.000 You know, that place has been around forever.

02:26:50.000 Aren't you coming to Nashville soon?

02:26:51.000 Yeah, like a couple of weeks.

02:26:53.000 What day?

02:26:54.000 I don't know.

02:26:56.000 I should probably know.

02:26:57.000 I'm doing the Ryman on the 30th?

02:27:01.000 Yeah, the 30th.

02:27:01.000 Yeah, the 30th on the Ryman with the Golden Pony, Tony Hinchcliffe.

02:27:06.000 Then we're in Charlotte the next night.

02:27:08.000 That's what I like.

02:27:08.000 A little short weekends.

02:27:10.000 Bing bang.

02:27:10.000 Four shows.

02:27:11.000 Two shows Friday, two shows Saturday.

02:27:12.000 Have you done The Round One before?

02:27:14.000 Yeah, a couple times.

02:27:15.000 Yeah, I love it. 0.92

02:27:17.000 It's fucking awesome.

02:27:17.000 I'm going to be out of town, man.

02:27:18.000 I'm bummed.

02:27:19.000 Eh, what are you going to do?

02:27:20.000 What are you going to do?

02:27:21.000 What are you going to do?

02:27:22.000 I'm always coming through.

02:27:24.000 I come through like once every year.

02:27:26.000 Maybe a year and a half at most.

02:27:27.000 I love it.

02:27:28.000 I might come through again and do Zanies after this when I write my new hour. 0.99

02:27:33.000 Just fuck around, stretch it out. 0.99

02:27:35.000 Because you really want to stretch it out at a comedy club. 1.00

02:27:37.000 You don't want to stretch it out in front of 3,000 people.

02:27:39.000 It's just not a good development ground.

02:27:44.000 It's not the room to try things out?

02:27:45.000 No.

02:27:45.000 The big rooms in the room, that's when you're done.

02:27:48.000 You got it.

02:27:49.000 You got the set.

02:27:50.000 You know what you're doing. 0.99

02:27:51.000 You fuck around while you're up there, but you basically have a structure for your act. 0.99

02:27:54.000 You have a structure for each bit. 1.00

02:27:55.000 And occasionally, I'll deviate.

02:27:58.000 But what I don't want to do, I don't want to work out brand new material in front of 3,000 people. 1.00

02:28:02.000 Fuck that! 0.99

02:28:03.000 One night, I think I came to watch your show at the store, and this was like a year ago, and you had to jet right after the set and go to Pasadena for another set. 1.00

02:28:12.000 My buddy that I brought with me, we're going to hang here, see who comes out, and Jeff Ross or somebody comes out, and he's doing his bit, and right in the fucking middle of it, The back curtain opens and Chappelle walks out and just kind of like taps Ross on the corner on the shoulder like, fuck off, 0.96

02:28:27.000 I got this, you know, and just jacks the mic and pretty much everybody else's set who was supposed to perform that night and stands there for like three hours, man. 0.96

02:28:35.000 We're just sitting there. 0.92

02:28:36.000 I was like, dude, this will probably never happen again in your lifetime, so I'm not fucking leaving. 0.91

02:28:41.000 And we just sat there the whole time and he sat there rocking tequila bombs and getting drunk and just really talking. 0.94

02:28:47.000 There were times where it was... 0.97

02:28:48.000 The funniest thing I've ever seen, literally, and there were times where it kind of got dark, and you're like, what the fuck's happening? 0.61

02:28:54.000 Where's this going?

02:28:55.000 And he was working things out, and then later on, those Netflix specials land, and I realized I've already heard like 90% of these jokes, because the guy was just like, I'm going to go hijack the main room, work my shit out, because I got it like that.

02:29:07.000 I'm Dave Chappelle, you know? 0.97

02:29:09.000 But it was fucking amazing. 0.68

02:29:10.000 Yeah, he does that a lot, where he'll just drop into place and just do a set, and that's how he kind of works his material out. 0.94

02:29:18.000 He just kind of drops in and keeps tweaking it.

02:29:22.000 If he has a structure, if he has a few ideas that he's talking about, he can just riff.

02:29:29.000 Especially if he's drinking.

02:29:30.000 Just go on stage.

02:29:31.000 And then he's always got dudes behind him that are taking down notes, letting them know, like, oh, you talked about this.

02:29:38.000 I'm sure they record it, too.

02:29:40.000 They'll go over it and eventually boil it down to what that Netflix special was.

02:29:45.000 The two Netflix specials.

02:29:47.000 That shows you how prolific that dude is.

02:29:49.000 To put out a Netflix special and then a year later put out two Netflix specials.

02:29:53.000 And then Netflix is like, we'll take it.

02:29:55.000 What do you got?

02:29:55.000 He's like, hey, I wrote this one this month and I'd like to put it down for all eternity.

02:30:00.000 Are you cool with that?

02:30:01.000 Most people, like, you write something and it's a good solid year before you even consider putting in a special.

02:30:08.000 You know, some guys were doing like a special year.

02:30:10.000 But too much of it was like half-cooked.

02:30:12.000 It's like, if you just waited six more months, this thing would be like an all-time great special.

02:30:17.000 But instead, you're banging them out one a year.

02:30:19.000 You never get the essence of the thing.

02:30:22.000 Well, his thing too, part of his thing, I think, is...

02:30:27.000 Making it look like it's so easy.

02:30:29.000 Effortless. 0.99

02:30:29.000 Because the night at the comedy store, it did feel like he was just sort of making the shit up on the spot. 0.99

02:30:34.000 And then you see the Netflix specials, and it sort of feels the same way. 0.98

02:30:37.000 Like he's just being Dave.

02:30:39.000 And the little subtle things that I noticed, like, probably ten times throughout the night, at really awkward moments, he would call the waitress to get him another drink. 0.97

02:30:50.000 But he would only say, bar whore. 0.99

02:30:53.000 And every time he'd say it, it'd get a little more awkward, like a little less appropriate each and every fucking time. 0.99

02:30:59.000 Eventually, everybody in the room was like, that's not really cool. 0.99

02:31:03.000 And then at the end of the night, the last thing he said was like, I'm really sorry, I called you bar whore, I just don't have any fucking jokes. 0.98

02:31:09.000 And he walked off the stage and was like... 0.99

02:31:14.000 Yeah, that's how Dave writes.

02:31:15.000 That's one of the ways he writes.

02:31:17.000 But he's got it down.

02:31:19.000 He's got it down to a science.

02:31:21.000 And the other thing he does is he just travels to towns.

02:31:23.000 Just decides to travel to a town and then go on stage.

02:31:25.000 Show up.

02:31:26.000 Show up at a comedy club.

02:31:27.000 Three nights at the Fillmore.

02:31:28.000 Yeah, but I mean, he doesn't even...

02:31:29.000 He'll do that, but that's booked.

02:31:30.000 He books that.

02:31:31.000 You have to book the Fillmore. 1.00

02:31:32.000 You have to book that shit. 1.00

02:31:33.000 Nine months. 1.00

02:31:33.000 Right. 1.00

02:31:34.000 But if he works somewhere else, he just shows up.

02:31:36.000 Like, he'll work at a comedy club and just show up.

02:31:38.000 Gotcha.

02:31:39.000 Gotcha.

02:31:39.000 I was in Denver once, and he just showed up.

02:31:41.000 I came in the green room after the show.

02:31:43.000 It was after the late show Friday night.

02:31:45.000 I went backstage, and Dave's in the green room.

02:31:48.000 I go, what are you doing, man? 0.98

02:31:49.000 And he goes, hey, Joe, I'm just in town, fucking around. 0.98

02:31:52.000 I go, you want to go on stage? 0.98

02:31:53.000 He's like, should I? I go, fuck yeah. 1.00

02:31:55.000 I grab him, bring the people back in. 0.99

02:31:57.000 People were already getting up and leaving.

02:31:58.000 I said, ladies and gentlemen, get back.

02:32:00.000 Dave Chappelle's here.

02:32:01.000 And they went, ah!

02:32:02.000 Of course he wants to go on stage.

02:32:03.000 Why else is he there?

02:32:04.000 That's why he's there.

02:32:05.000 That's what he does.

02:32:05.000 That's his thing, you know?

02:32:07.000 But it's just weird to say, like, oh, like, this guy's so free, he could just fly into a town where he knows his friends are going to be.

02:32:12.000 He doesn't even have to call you in advance.

02:32:14.000 You know, he just flew in.

02:32:15.000 And I see him, like, oh, yeah, get up there.

02:32:17.000 Like, he's as free as a bird.

02:32:19.000 He does, like, whatever he wants.

02:32:21.000 And then he does these Netflix specials.

02:32:22.000 They pay him an ass load of money.

02:32:24.000 And then he just does shows whenever he wants to.

02:32:26.000 But his creative process is, like, almost, like, engineered around being loose.

02:32:32.000 Like, doing whatever he wants.

02:32:33.000 Going where he wants to go.

02:32:35.000 Doing whatever he wants.

02:32:36.000 And then writing.

02:32:37.000 You know?

02:32:38.000 And then figuring it out on stage.

02:32:39.000 And then riffing. 0.99

02:32:40.000 And then just fucking around. 0.99

02:32:41.000 It's fascinating. 1.00

02:32:42.000 Fascinating to watch.

02:32:44.000 It's like jazz, almost.

02:32:45.000 Oh, it's very much like.

02:32:47.000 Yeah, I mean, he's, um...

02:32:49.000 He's also got being Dave Chappelle down to a science.

02:32:52.000 Like you were saying that you're in the Sturgill Simpson business.

02:32:55.000 He's in the Dave Chappelle business.

02:32:56.000 Yeah.

02:32:57.000 Yeah.

02:32:58.000 He does what Dave Chappelle wants to do.

02:33:00.000 That's the key, I think.

02:33:01.000 I think that's the key. 1.00

02:33:02.000 If we could all be in the business of whoever the fuck you are, whatever you do. 1.00

02:33:07.000 Well, it's... 0.99

02:33:08.000 I like to write songs and make records and pretty much say no to everything else.

02:33:14.000 I think that's a good life.

02:33:17.000 Dave...

02:33:18.000 Seems to be on a much grander scale, like yourself.

02:33:22.000 I mean, is there any point in the day where you ever do anything you don't want to do?

02:33:27.000 No, not anymore.

02:33:29.000 No, I mean, I do things that I know I have to do that I'm not looking forward to. 0.99

02:33:33.000 But that's mostly, like, exercise shit. 0.99

02:33:36.000 Right. 0.99

02:33:37.000 You know, like, sometimes I'm just not looking forward to it, and I have to force myself to do it.

02:33:40.000 Or writing.

02:33:41.000 I love writing, but sometimes I have to force myself to sit down in front of the computer.

02:33:45.000 But other than that...

02:33:47.000 You write on a computer?

02:33:48.000 Yeah.

02:33:48.000 Really?

02:33:49.000 Yeah.

02:33:50.000 I can't write.

02:33:52.000 I write by hand, too.

02:33:53.000 But when I write by hand, it's really just rehashing things.

02:33:55.000 Right.

02:33:56.000 When I write on a computer, there's no way I can write with my hands as quickly as I can type.

02:34:02.000 I can type pretty quick.

02:34:03.000 So if I have an idea, and I don't want to hear my voice, so I don't want to say it into a microphone, I want to just figure out what the beats are of things.

02:34:12.000 Interesting.

02:34:13.000 I always write by hand because usually the meter or the phrasing, there's a way it makes me think about it.

02:34:23.000 It goes down right the first time.

02:34:25.000 Or as opposed to I'm just writing poetry on a computer screen or whatever.

02:34:29.000 You don't necessarily have a sense of the beat.

02:34:32.000 Whereas I want things to flow a certain way and land on hits and that.

02:34:37.000 And I usually just throw all the consonants away.

02:34:40.000 Hmm.

02:34:41.000 You know, Bill Clinton wrote his entire memoir on, like, legal paper?

02:34:46.000 Doesn't surprise me.

02:34:47.000 He wrote it on, like, a regular notebook.

02:34:49.000 Makes you think about what you're writing.

02:34:50.000 Yeah.

02:34:51.000 I think he wrote it on, like, a regular notebook.

02:34:55.000 Like, maybe one of those black and white ones that you used to get when you were...

02:35:00.000 With the splatter covers?

02:35:02.000 Yeah, those splatter covers are cool.

02:35:03.000 I've got, like, stacks of those things at the time.

02:35:04.000 Those are the best.

02:35:05.000 I still write jokes in those.

02:35:07.000 When I write on a piece of paper, I'm really just reminding myself most of the time.

02:35:13.000 Occasionally I have an idea that I have to circle and I put an X next to it.

02:35:17.000 But if you read my notebook, you'd think I was a crazy person.

02:35:19.000 There's something to that too in terms of memory.

02:35:23.000 I've learned a long time ago...

02:35:25.000 If there's a song I want to learn and you've got to remember all the words, I'm never going to remember them until I just sit down and write that song down on paper.

02:35:34.000 Once I write it on paper and see it, it's like it's there.

02:35:39.000 Whether it's mine or somebody else. 0.99

02:35:41.000 I only forget the words to the shit I write, weirdly. 0.99

02:35:43.000 That's kind of... 0.99

02:35:44.000 In shows, it never fails.

02:35:46.000 If I get lost or forget something, it's always a song I wrote.

02:35:50.000 Really? 0.99

02:35:51.000 Like 8,000 old country and bluegrass songs, I just pull out of my ass on a dime and remember all that shit, but it's always the ones I wrote. 0.99

02:35:57.000 I wonder why. 0.99

02:35:58.000 I don't know, man.

02:35:59.000 That's interesting.

02:36:00.000 That makes sense though, right?

02:36:01.000 Because the other ones that you remember, they just had an impact on you.

02:36:05.000 Like they mean something to you.

02:36:06.000 Or it's the one you wrote, like it comes out of nowhere.

02:36:09.000 It goes through you to your pad, right?

02:36:12.000 It's like, it's almost hard to recapture that state.

02:36:15.000 And then you're like a normal person trying to remember what you thought of when you were in that zone.

02:36:19.000 Whereas if it was a song that somebody else made, you're like, oh, I love this song.

02:36:23.000 I know how it goes.

02:36:24.000 I don't know if it's because you're reacting to it more strongly.

02:36:30.000 Well, I think there's a thing of...

02:36:32.000 There's creativity that involves the no self, right?

02:36:36.000 There's that state that you get when you... 0.98

02:36:38.000 There's a lot of shit that I write where I go back over it. 0.96

02:36:41.000 Like, I'm like, how did I write that bit out? 0.99

02:36:43.000 And then I go back and read it.

02:36:45.000 I don't remember any of this.

02:36:47.000 Half of it I don't even remember.

02:36:48.000 I took it in a whole different place.

02:36:49.000 That's the hardest part, though, is getting to that lack of self.

02:36:52.000 Yeah.

02:36:52.000 I mean, even...

02:36:53.000 I think that's with any art when you're not thinking about it or self-aware or have any preconceived notions about where it wants to go.

02:37:01.000 Yeah.

02:37:01.000 You know?

02:37:02.000 Do you smoke weed and write?

02:37:05.000 I don't ever like do one way or another specifically.

02:37:10.000 Just whatever.

02:37:10.000 I have written while I'm high and I've written when I'm not.

02:37:13.000 Right.

02:37:14.000 What about performing?

02:37:16.000 Generally I don't enjoy.

02:37:17.000 It depends.

02:37:19.000 I don't really like to smoke weed anymore.

02:37:22.000 It's something about the way it hits me when I inhale it high it becomes more heady And internalizing, like, any anxiety or the paranoia people talk about.

02:37:30.000 The only time I've ever experienced that is when I've smoked weed.

02:37:33.000 But my problem is I don't like going on stage stoned anymore because...

02:37:38.000 You're so ultra-sensitive.

02:37:39.000 My ear becomes...

02:37:40.000 I already struggle with it enough.

02:37:41.000 I'm hearing everything happening and dissecting it all hypercritical in real time.

02:37:47.000 And you can't do that and perform and let go.

02:37:50.000 So you kind of have to...

02:37:51.000 It's two different brains.

02:37:53.000 But if I'm up there singing and looking at an audience, if I'm stoned, I know enough about myself to know I'll get internalized and just only start listening to the band and the music.

02:38:03.000 And you sort of forget that there's all these people there.

02:38:06.000 You have to...

02:38:07.000 Give a show to.

02:38:08.000 And again, maybe that is the show when we get lost in the music.

02:38:11.000 And then I've also played some of the best gigs I've ever played in my life on edibles.

02:38:19.000 Because, you know, it's sort of like an anti-anxiety and just like very free and you feel everything much more delicately in terms of response.

02:38:29.000 But it's not something I was like, oh, we got to get high.

02:38:32.000 Let's go try and play a gig.

02:38:33.000 You do or you don't.

02:38:34.000 I don't.

02:38:34.000 Honestly, kind of straight away from it.

02:38:35.000 No, no, no.

02:38:35.000 That's what I mean.

02:38:36.000 What I mean is you do or you don't.

02:38:37.000 Whatever you want.

02:38:38.000 You do or you don't.

02:38:38.000 Yeah, there's no...

02:38:39.000 If you are, it's just this is tonight.

02:38:41.000 Right, right.

02:38:41.000 You know, tomorrow is tomorrow.

02:38:42.000 It's not like you have a ritual.

02:38:44.000 Right.

02:38:44.000 Yeah.

02:38:45.000 I like a drink right before I go on stage.

02:38:47.000 A shot.

02:38:48.000 See, that messes...

02:38:48.000 A small shot.

02:38:48.000 Alcohol messes with my voice.

02:38:50.000 I get that.

02:38:51.000 You got to stay away from it.

02:38:51.000 I just like just a little...

02:38:53.000 Just that little feeling that you get with one shot.

02:38:55.000 Like a...

02:38:55.000 Right.

02:38:55.000 Here we go.

02:38:56.000 I like that.

02:38:59.000 What about food?

02:39:03.000 Man, it depends.

02:39:05.000 I don't like eating close to a show.

02:39:07.000 It's just not good.

02:39:08.000 Yeah, not good. 0.99

02:39:11.000 I'll eat a big lunch and then just fast and I'll eat after the gig most of the time because I jump around a lot and get into shit. 0.99

02:39:17.000 Yeah, me too. 0.99

02:39:18.000 And then one time we did this radio thing or some shit and I couldn't fucking sing anyway. 0.92

02:39:24.000 My voice was gone. 0.98

02:39:25.000 It was this freebie throwaway thing for Sirius and we'd been in there setting up and rehearsing in the studio all day.

02:39:30.000 And then they realized, like, oh, we haven't eaten. 0.98

02:39:33.000 I'm fucking starving. 0.98

02:39:33.000 I gotta play gigs. 0.98

02:39:34.000 So we had some pho delivered, and I ate it, like, ten minutes before we were supposed to play.

02:39:37.000 Dude, you said it correctly.

02:39:38.000 Most people don't even know what pho is.

02:39:41.000 It just gut-bombed me, dude.

02:39:44.000 Like, your worst nightmare. 0.99

02:39:45.000 You're out there, like, trying to really push and sing on a microphone and not shit your pants. 0.99

02:39:50.000 So I've learned my lesson. 0.99

02:39:52.000 I hit the wall the other day in my house. 0.98

02:39:54.000 I don't know what the hell I ate, but I literally had to put my hand on a railing so I could squeeze my butt cheeks together harder so I couldn't shit myself. 0.99

02:40:03.000 It broke through some weird barrier where I thought, I knew I had to take a shit, but I was thinking maybe I could let a fart out first when I'm on my way to the bathroom. 0.98

02:40:13.000 I don't know what I was thinking. 0.98

02:40:14.000 They call that the gambler.

02:40:16.000 But I took a step.

02:40:17.000 I took a step and all of a sudden it's like if I had a water bag inside my body and it just broke. 1.00

02:40:23.000 And then I'm holding it all together with my asshole and squeezing my ass cheeks and the fucking abdominal pain is like, whoa! 0.99

02:40:34.000 I feel like, you remember when you were a kid and you used to put your thumb over the garden hose? 1.00

02:40:39.000 Just try to really clamp that fucking thing down. 0.97

02:40:43.000 And you got to a place where you stopped all the water from coming out of the garden hose, but barely. 1.00

02:40:48.000 I mean, fucking barely. 1.00

02:40:49.000 That was my asshole the other day. 1.00

02:40:51.000 And I'm holding onto the railing just squawking. 1.00

02:40:54.000 And I did these little baby steps like this towards the toilet where I wasn't even picking up my legs.

02:41:00.000 I was just sliding my legs over.

02:41:02.000 Barely, barely got my pants off. 1.00

02:41:05.000 And it was like a broken fire hydrant came out of my asshole. 1.00

02:41:09.000 I was like, where was this? 1.00

02:41:13.000 Where'd this come from?

02:41:14.000 Five minutes ago, there was nothing wrong with me.

02:41:16.000 I felt 100% normal.

02:41:18.000 I wouldn't have imagined that this could happen.

02:41:20.000 And then all of a sudden, it's flying out of me.

02:41:22.000 That's terrifying to think.

02:41:24.000 It could happen any time.

02:41:25.000 You could be on a plane.

02:41:26.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:41:26.000 Stuck in your seat and you just shit all over your socks and your pants and it just runs up your back and down your legs. 1.00

02:41:33.000 It can happen to anybody. 0.98

02:41:34.000 Have you ever had full-blown, absolutely horrible food poisoning coming out both ends and you literally think, I might die?

02:41:41.000 Yeah.

02:41:42.000 Yeah, I had it real bad once.

02:41:44.000 Well, I've had it real bad twice.

02:41:46.000 But that barracuda that I used to have, this cool 1970 barracuda, it was named the Sick Fish.

02:41:51.000 The reason why I named it the Sick Fish is I got food poisoning.

02:41:54.000 I ate linguine with clams in Illinois. 0.99

02:41:56.000 There's no fucking clams anywhere near Illinois. 0.99

02:42:00.000 And those things got me hard, man. 0.99

02:42:02.000 I couldn't even make a fist the next day.

02:42:04.000 I was walking around like a zombie.

02:42:05.000 I was dead. 0.95

02:42:06.000 I spent the whole night throwing up and shitting myself. 0.84

02:42:09.000 And then the next day, I was just dead.

02:42:11.000 I drank like five or six cups of coffee because we had to film this thing where they were putting the engine in the car and they were going over the design.

02:42:18.000 I was like barely able to stay awake while I was doing that.

02:42:20.000 I was so wrecked.

02:42:23.000 I had it one time from this Chinese buffet, and it hit me hours later, seven hours later that night, and all of a sudden it was just in this bathroom for four or five hours, and it was those things like...

02:42:39.000 It was the worst shape I've ever been in.

02:42:41.000 But in the back of your mind, you're like, it's okay.

02:42:45.000 I know this is food poisoning, but it's okay.

02:42:48.000 It's going to go to a point.

02:42:50.000 And then throughout the night, it just kept getting worse.

02:42:53.000 And I kept asking, where is this point going to be?

02:42:56.000 Or do I need to go to the hospital?

02:42:57.000 Because... 0.98

02:42:59.000 That was very uncomfortable, you know, like abdominal tremors and shit from puking so hard, and your muscles are just spasming. 0.99

02:43:07.000 No, you can die from it. 0.98

02:43:08.000 I mean, people have died from E. coli poisoning.

02:43:11.000 There was a scene in Food, Inc.

02:43:13.000 where they talked about this little kid that got food poisoning from, I think it was a Jack in the Box, and he wound up dying.

02:43:19.000 It was, right?

02:43:20.000 Yeah, it's horrible.

02:43:21.000 It's a terrible way to die.

02:43:23.000 I mean, you're ingesting some sort of a poison and it just takes over your system and just kills your cells.

02:43:28.000 Your body can't process it quickly enough, can't get it out enough. 0.99

02:43:30.000 You're shitting yourself and throwing up and doing everything you can to get whatever the fuck is inside you out. 1.00

02:43:36.000 Right. 1.00

02:43:37.000 Yeah, food on the road, we play it pretty safe.

02:43:41.000 Yeah.

02:43:41.000 I'll skip meals a lot of times.

02:43:43.000 I'll not eat if the only alternative is something like really shitty.

02:43:46.000 Yeah.

02:43:47.000 Just because, not because like, oh, I'm a health nut, but it's just not worth it.

02:43:52.000 You don't know.

02:43:52.000 I bring a lot of protein bars.

02:43:54.000 I bring a ton of protein bars, so if I'm stuck and I just need to eat something, I just down like a...

02:43:59.000 We have a bunch of Onnit protein bars.

02:44:01.000 I like those.

02:44:02.000 I like those Quest bars.

02:44:03.000 They don't have any sugar in them.

02:44:04.000 I like Muscle Pharma.

02:44:05.000 I have some good bars.

02:44:06.000 Just, I don't live off of them, but it's way better than that.

02:44:10.000 I'm not getting a burger.

02:44:11.000 Do you eat sugar?

02:44:12.000 Very little.

02:44:13.000 Very little.

02:44:14.000 Very little.

02:44:14.000 I'll give them, like last night I had a piece of apple rhubarb, no, strawberry rhubarb pie though, with whipped cream.

02:44:19.000 Ooh, I went deep.

02:44:21.000 But that's rare.

02:44:22.000 I did a thing a while back.

02:44:25.000 I kind of got pressured, but I tried to just say I only went as long as I could without any sugar.

02:44:29.000 How long did you go?

02:44:30.000 I was like 12 days.

02:44:32.000 Isn't that crazy?

02:44:33.000 Yeah, it was nuts, man.

02:44:34.000 That's as good as you can get. 0.99

02:44:35.000 Well, it's hard because everything has fucking sugar in it. 0.99

02:44:39.000 And you just... 0.99

02:44:40.000 But after even just abstaining that short amount of time, when I did eat it again at first, it was like everything tasted so sweet.

02:44:47.000 You could really understand how much we're getting drugged with food.

02:44:52.000 But my thing is coffee.

02:44:53.000 I drink coffee in the morning. 1.00

02:44:54.000 I'm not a breakfast guy, but I just can't drink it straight because it tastes like a bucket full of asshole. 1.00

02:44:59.000 I've got to cut it with something. 0.99

02:45:00.000 If I could cut out coffee in my life, I could probably cut out sugar.

02:45:03.000 Oh, you cut it with some sort of sugar?

02:45:05.000 Cream and sugar.

02:45:06.000 See, I just use cream, man.

02:45:08.000 Or I drink these.

02:45:08.000 Did you like this?

02:45:09.000 Caveman's?

02:45:10.000 I'll get a bunch sent to you.

02:45:11.000 That wasn't bad, yeah.

02:45:11.000 I'll have a bunch sent to you.

02:45:12.000 How do you get the mud butt down? 0.99

02:45:14.000 I don't get mud butt from this.

02:45:16.000 I don't know what I ate that made me get mud butt, but whatever it was, it turned out to not be anything. 0.99

02:45:21.000 I had that one terrible shit, and then the rest of the day was golden. 0.99

02:45:25.000 It was no problems. 1.00

02:45:26.000 It's like something got in there.

02:45:27.000 Some little microbacteria.

02:45:28.000 I eat a lot of probiotics.

02:45:30.000 I don't know if that helps, but I'm hoping that that helps and that when I eat something funky, all the good stuff that I eat, like I eat kimchi almost every day.

02:45:39.000 I drink kombucha every day.

02:45:40.000 See, I love steak, but I hate ass cancer, so I don't eat steak very often. 0.99

02:45:46.000 I don't think steak really gives you ass cancer. 0.99

02:45:48.000 But when I do, I like it raw. 0.98

02:45:51.000 Rare.

02:45:52.000 Rare.

02:45:52.000 I like it raw.

02:45:53.000 So I just know that the rare occasion when I have a steak, I'm going to get the chas. 0.79

02:45:59.000 You know?

02:46:00.000 Because it's just worth it.

02:46:01.000 But it makes me eat red meat very little now.

02:46:05.000 When was the last time you had wild game?

02:46:07.000 Oh, man.

02:46:08.000 Like real wild game?

02:46:09.000 Real wild game.

02:46:10.000 Probably...

02:46:13.000 When I was out in Utah, I worked with this kid who was a big hunter, and he would bring in elk, like, fillet medallions or, like, hamburger.

02:46:20.000 He lived in Wyoming, so he could pull, like, two or three extra tags here.

02:46:25.000 Like cow tags, probably, yeah.

02:46:26.000 The 18 deep freezers full of every possible cut of meat you can think of made from elk meat. 1.00

02:46:31.000 And he would bring it in sometimes when we were working and cook that shit. 0.99

02:46:34.000 And the first time I ever tasted it, I was like, I don't ever want to eat beef again. 0.99

02:46:37.000 That was the most delicious meat I've ever tasted in my life.

02:46:41.000 I basically eat it almost every day.

02:46:43.000 Elk.

02:46:44.000 Yeah, almost every day.

02:46:45.000 Because when you shoot an elk, I try to shoot an elk a year.

02:46:49.000 You don't always get one, obviously.

02:46:51.000 This year I got lucky.

02:46:52.000 I got two.

02:46:53.000 I scheduled two elk hunts.

02:46:55.000 And I figured I was going to strike out.

02:46:57.000 If not both of them, definitely one of them.

02:47:00.000 And I just...

02:47:01.000 I got real lucky.

02:47:02.000 On both?

02:47:02.000 Yeah.

02:47:03.000 Wow.

02:47:03.000 Again, there's definitely having really good guides.

02:47:07.000 I had good guides.

02:47:08.000 How long can you feed yourself and your family?

02:47:11.000 A year.

02:47:12.000 One year.

02:47:13.000 A year, yeah.

02:47:14.000 And I hand a lot of it to my friends.

02:47:16.000 I give Gary Clark some elk.

02:47:19.000 Honey, honey, they took some elk.

02:47:21.000 I wish you around, man.

02:47:22.000 I'll give you some elk, too, if you lived around here.

02:47:24.000 Well, we're living now.

02:47:25.000 If I sit on my back porch long enough, it'll probably be pretty easy.

02:47:29.000 Well, Kentucky actually has a new elk population over the last, like, 40 or 50 years, I think.

02:47:35.000 They've re-established it to the point where it's a hunting destination now.

02:47:39.000 They opened it up, I think you and I were talking about this.

02:47:41.000 I think we were.

02:47:43.000 It used to be flooded with it back, you know, 1800. They hunted them out and they repopulated, I want to say in the 90s, maybe early 2000s, and now there's so many that they're opening it up again.

02:47:53.000 Yeah, shout out to the Rocky Mountain Elk Federation.

02:47:56.000 That's what they do.

02:47:57.000 They establish habitat for these animals.

02:48:00.000 We're down in the southeast corner around the Smokies, man.

02:48:05.000 It's really weird.

02:48:07.000 A lot of wild turkey and deer.

02:48:08.000 It's supposed to be amazing there.

02:48:09.000 I saw armadillo in the woods at my house. 0.99

02:48:12.000 I was like, no fucking way. 1.00

02:48:14.000 That can't ensure shit. 1.00

02:48:15.000 They've migrated that far over and up. 1.00

02:48:19.000 Wow.

02:48:19.000 They're really varmity.

02:48:21.000 They don't...

02:48:22.000 Really do much good.

02:48:23.000 Do you have any elk near you?

02:48:24.000 There's got to be.

02:48:25.000 Do you ever hear it?

02:48:27.000 I don't hear them.

02:48:28.000 How long have you been in this new spot?

02:48:30.000 Well, we really haven't even been in it.

02:48:31.000 I stayed there off and on a couple times when dealing with the contractors.

02:48:36.000 They just really got finished and out of there, which is perfect.

02:48:39.000 I've got to go back to work.

02:48:40.000 Well, you won't really know until September.

02:48:41.000 Right.

02:48:42.000 September, you're starting to hear...

02:48:43.000 There's so many turkey and deer, it's kind of going to be an issue. 0.99

02:48:48.000 I can't walk outside and kick the fucking turkey out of the way. 1.00

02:48:50.000 Turkeys are crazy, man. 1.00

02:48:51.000 They get aggressive with you, too. 0.82

02:48:53.000 Yeah.

02:48:53.000 I don't mind.

02:48:54.000 The only thing, I tell you what, man, we got all the snakes and spiders and all that shit. 0.95

02:48:58.000 See, I grew up around playing with, like, baby copperheads in the creek, and my mom spanking the shit out of me when she caught me, because I don't worry about this stuff. 1.00

02:49:05.000 But I'll tell you what's fucked up. 0.96

02:49:07.000 My wife found, she was sweeping, we get ladybugs that come, like, in this time of year, they try to come in on this, like, sun porch, and she's sweeping a pile up and found a scorpion. 0.95

02:49:18.000 Oh, I found a bunch of those on here. 0.99

02:49:19.000 I was like, what the fuck? 1.00

02:49:20.000 Fuck, there's a scorpion in Tennessee now? 1.00

02:49:22.000 That's crazy. 1.00

02:49:23.000 That's pretty crazy.

02:49:26.000 Yeah, I couldn't believe it, man.

02:49:27.000 I mean, I hate spiders, but that's like a whole other level.

02:49:30.000 They're supposed to be in the desert, aren't they?

02:49:31.000 That's what I thought, but there are two species of scorpion native in Tennessee.

02:49:35.000 It's basically like equivalent to get stung by a honeybee, but they just look so evil, man. 0.99

02:49:39.000 I don't want to walk in the bathroom and have to be like checking under my toilet bowl for fucking scorpions. 1.00

02:49:44.000 I always assume that they kill you. 1.00

02:49:46.000 When you see a scorpion, I assume it kills you. 0.91

02:49:48.000 Well, you know why?

02:49:49.000 Because you remember the original Clash of the Titans?

02:49:51.000 Oh, that's right, that thing.

02:49:52.000 When your movie and the blood dripped out of Medusa's head bag and then turned into giant scorpions. 1.00

02:49:57.000 I was a kid, I saw that, so it's like...

02:49:59.000 They were giant.

02:50:00.000 Like, stinging that guy. 0.99

02:50:02.000 That movie was fucked up, actually. 1.00

02:50:04.000 It was pretty fucked up, but it was good. 1.00

02:50:05.000 It's terrible when you watch it now. 0.99

02:50:07.000 That's like a Harryhausen movie, right?

02:50:10.000 Where it was like stop animation.

02:50:12.000 The guy from some soap opera or whatever his name was.

02:50:14.000 I don't know.

02:50:15.000 That's right.

02:50:16.000 Medusa and the Kraken.

02:50:18.000 That's right.

02:50:18.000 Harry Hamlin?

02:50:19.000 Harry Hamlin.

02:50:20.000 Yes. 0.99

02:50:20.000 Harry fucking Hamlin. 0.99

02:50:21.000 How do I know that? 0.99

02:50:22.000 And the guy that played Hades, you know, like the red, the devil dude that God's turning into. 0.83

02:50:28.000 Dude, I forgot all about that movie.

02:50:30.000 If you didn't bring it up.

02:50:32.000 I saw that kid. 0.97

02:50:32.000 It was like the TBS that when I was a kid, they would play that and Beastmaster back to back like every fucking two hours. 0.97

02:50:38.000 Beastmaster. 0.69

02:50:38.000 So, but yeah, that original Clash of the Titans, man, Medusa did a number on me. 0.69

02:50:43.000 What do you got?

02:50:44.000 The video of it?

02:50:45.000 Look how bad it looks.

02:50:46.000 I think that might have been the first time I ever actually saw boobies was Medusa. 1.00

02:50:50.000 Look at this.

02:50:51.000 The blood hits the ground.

02:50:53.000 That's it.

02:50:54.000 Oh my god.

02:50:54.000 Scorpions pop up.

02:50:55.000 The robotic owl. 0.99

02:50:57.000 Look how bad the fucking special effects were. 0.99

02:51:00.000 But we were like, dude, I'm in. 0.99

02:51:02.000 That's how they did it.

02:51:03.000 Yeah.

02:51:04.000 You had to believe.

02:51:05.000 Wow.

02:51:06.000 Look at that, dude. 0.99

02:51:08.000 Sturgill, you better get the fuck out of here. 0.99

02:51:10.000 You're not going to catch your flight. 0.99

02:51:11.000 Okay.

02:51:11.000 It's 2.20 right now.

02:51:12.000 Yeah, I should do that.

02:51:13.000 We've got to get you moving.

02:51:14.000 Next time you're in town, I've got a grill back here.

02:51:16.000 I've got a grill and I've got some meat.

02:51:17.000 I'm going to cook for you.

02:51:18.000 Thank you.

02:51:19.000 We'll have a meal.

02:51:20.000 Awesome.

02:51:20.000 We'll sit down like men.

02:51:22.000 We'll drink ale.

02:51:22.000 Next time you come to Nashville, I won't be there and I won't be able to repay the favor.

02:51:26.000 Yeah.

02:51:26.000 Well, I'll be back again.

02:51:27.000 I'll be back at Zaney's.

02:51:28.000 Okay.

02:51:28.000 See you soon.

02:51:29.000 Bye, everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience - March 05, 2018

Joe Rogan Experience #1087 - Sturgill Simpson

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