The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1101 - Chris & Mark Bell

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00:00:06.000 Gentlemen, we're live.

00:00:08.000 What's up?

00:00:09.000 Yeah, thanks.

00:00:09.000 What's going on?

00:00:10.000 How are you, fuckers? 1.00

00:00:11.000 Doing great, man. 1.00

00:00:12.000 It's great to be on the show again.

00:00:13.000 Great to have you guys here. 0.98

00:00:15.000 You know, I was watching your Instagram the other day and I was looking at you with fake hips doing crazy fucking heavy deadlifts, man. 0.98

00:00:22.000 That's amazing. 0.96

00:00:23.000 I am starting to deadlift a little bit more because I've been doing this carnivore diet and I feel great.

00:00:29.000 And there's no reason not to, right?

00:00:31.000 So I just figured if I can do it and it doesn't hurt, then why not?

00:00:36.000 So I was going up to about 400 pounds, but I think I can even get stronger now.

00:00:41.000 So what I'm so happy about is this is something, squatting and deadlifting, it's something that was part of my life all growing up.

00:00:49.000 I was a powerlifter all growing up. 0.99

00:00:50.000 He's the one who got me into this shit. 0.97

00:00:52.000 And it got taken away from me, and I was really sad and disappointed, became a drug addict and an alcoholic because of it, and now I can lift again, so I feel good. 0.99

00:01:00.000 Is that unusual for someone who's got artificial hips to be able to do something like that? 1.00

00:01:05.000 Do you know?

00:01:06.000 How many people do you know that have artificial hips? 1.00

00:01:08.000 Well, I do know that Ed Cohn, who's the greatest power lifter of all time, he has two fake hips now, right?

00:01:13.000 Yeah, I think so.

00:01:14.000 And I think he still squats 600. Jesus.

00:01:17.000 With fake hips? 0.99

00:01:18.000 Yeah, at Eddie Cohn.

00:01:20.000 Check him out.

00:01:21.000 He's a beast. 1.00

00:01:21.000 Holy shit. 1.00

00:01:22.000 Fake hips, squatting 600 pounds, they say that is like one of the most effective replacement surgeries that they do, is replacing people. 1.00

00:01:31.000 I think it's a great surgery.

00:01:34.000 Before I got it done, I mean, I couldn't even get up out of a chair.

00:01:37.000 I'd be stuck, you know, I would stick places.

00:01:40.000 And before I got it done, I couldn't really move at all.

00:01:43.000 And then after I got it done, they had botched one side.

00:01:46.000 So one side went perfect.

00:01:48.000 The other side for two years was all screwed up and the doctors didn't know What was screwed up about it?

00:01:54.000 The cup.

00:01:56.000 There's a cup, and then there's the ball that goes into the cup.

00:01:58.000 The cup came loose, and it would shift around.

00:02:02.000 Now, they think the cup comes loose because when you do both hips at the same time, they hammer one hip into one side, and then you're completely like a dead body almost, and they flip you over.

00:02:11.000 It's really violent, actually.

00:02:13.000 When they flip you over, they think that's when that socket may come out.

00:02:18.000 So they're starting to question doing them both on the same day now.

00:02:22.000 Yeah, I've heard people getting one done a couple months later.

00:02:26.000 I would recommend getting one done because then when I got the one that was messed up redone and I had one good leg and one leg to recover on, it was so much easier.

00:02:36.000 I didn't have to have the special toilet and all the other stupid things.

00:02:38.000 You could be on crutches instead of being a wheelchair probably, right? 0.99

00:02:41.000 If you only had one done at the time?

00:02:42.000 I actually wasn't even on crutches.

00:02:43.000 I came home from the hospital And that day that I came home from the hospital, I was walking.

00:02:48.000 I even climbed a ladder, and our mom yelled at me because I climbed a ladder.

00:02:53.000 And she's like, what are you doing?

00:02:53.000 You just got a hip surgery.

00:02:55.000 And I'm like, I've got to change this light bulb.

00:02:57.000 Now, I would think that one good benefit about weightlifting would be increasing bone density.

00:03:03.000 And that you would want that if you have artificial hips, especially because you've got that bar that goes down deep into the bone of the hips. 1.00

00:03:10.000 We just got a DEXA scan done. 0.93

00:03:11.000 We got weird shit going on. 0.99

00:03:13.000 We got really weird shit going on. 0.99

00:03:14.000 We had a DEXA scan done, and Dr. Jacob Wilson told us that our bone, was it bone mineral density? 0.95

00:03:21.000 Density, yeah.

00:03:23.000 Mine was like off the charts, but his was way off the charts.

00:03:26.000 Yeah, and then we also got a muscle biopsy done by Dr. Andy Galpin. 0.90

00:03:31.000 And he's just like, dude, I don't know what the fuck's going on with my muscle and his muscle.

00:03:36.000 He's like, but we need to talk about this more. 0.97

00:03:38.000 It's called steroids. 0.99

00:03:39.000 Yeah, I know.

00:03:40.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:03:41.000 So he said he wanted to interview me more and talk to me more about what I've taken over the years and all those different things.

00:03:47.000 It works. 0.98

00:03:47.000 It fucking works fantastic. 0.98

00:03:48.000 There's a reason why people do it. 1.00

00:03:50.000 It's so crazy.

00:03:51.000 I heard you talking the other day about throwing a roundhouse kick, and you said it's a second nature to you.

00:03:55.000 And I think for us, we've been lifting for so long.

00:03:58.000 Sure.

00:03:58.000 And a lot of this stuff, even when I was a drug addict and alcoholic, the entire time, I still trained every day.

00:04:03.000 I wasn't doing as good of a job, but I still would make it to the gym every day.

00:04:06.000 It's ingrained in us.

00:04:07.000 It's something that we've been doing forever.

00:04:09.000 So your body's just designed for it.

00:04:11.000 I don't know if it's designed for it.

00:04:12.000 Well, not designed, but you've sort of designed it.

00:04:15.000 I think it's something that found us.

00:04:17.000 Really?

00:04:18.000 We did kind of stumble upon it, but I think it's something that found us.

00:04:22.000 I was strong right out of the gate.

00:04:24.000 He was strong right out of the gate.

00:04:25.000 I remember my friends benching in the garage, and they were benching the bar, maybe a tent on each side, and I was doing a plate.

00:04:34.000 Doing 185, 12 years old.

00:04:36.000 He was an animal when he was young.

00:04:38.000 There was just something there.

00:04:38.000 There was some sort of strength.

00:04:39.000 Our mom benched 135. Your mom can bench 135? 0.97

00:04:44.000 Like right off, without ever lifting.

00:04:47.000 I want to say, I think she benched 185. She might have. 0.98

00:04:50.000 In the same day.

00:04:50.000 That's what Joey Diaz would say, immigrant mentality.

00:04:53.000 Where's your mother from?

00:04:54.000 Where's she from?

00:04:55.000 She's Polish, right? 0.78

00:04:57.000 There you go. 1.00

00:04:58.000 Hard fucking people. 1.00

00:05:00.000 I'm just white. 1.00

00:05:01.000 Yeah, we're like a mutt mix. 0.76

00:05:03.000 Did you get 23andMe done?

00:05:05.000 He did it.

00:05:06.000 I got one of those things done.

00:05:07.000 Yeah, I'm like Irish.

00:05:09.000 I'm like only 4% Italian.

00:05:11.000 I thought we were more.

00:05:12.000 It makes no sense.

00:05:13.000 Our grandmother was directly from Sicily, so I don't understand how that happened.

00:05:17.000 Yeah, we don't know what's going on.

00:05:18.000 Yeah, well, even if she's from Sicily, who knows what happened when she was over there.

00:05:24.000 Yeah, where she came from.

00:05:25.000 Yeah, I need to get mine done.

00:05:26.000 I've been wanting to get it done for a while.

00:05:28.000 It's pretty cool.

00:05:29.000 Some of them can tell you allergies and stuff.

00:05:30.000 A lot of people get mad.

00:05:30.000 They get mad?

00:05:31.000 You know what people get mad?

00:05:32.000 The people who are not really Native American.

00:05:34.000 They get really mad. 1.00

00:05:35.000 Shit, I thought I was spiritual! 1.00

00:05:37.000 Well, people are like, I could drink so much because I'm Irish, and then they find out they're not. 1.00

00:05:40.000 You're just a drunk.

00:05:42.000 It happens all the time.

00:05:43.000 People get really upset because they're not what they've been rooting for their whole lives. 0.99

00:05:47.000 People take great I wish I was something stupid. 1.00

00:05:57.000 Polish is a silly one. 1.00

00:06:00.000 But in my mind, they're fucking hard people. 1.00

00:06:03.000 I've known a lot of Polish people, and they're fucking tough people. 1.00

00:06:08.000 Like Joanna Jacek, that's a perfect example. 0.95

00:06:10.000 I was going to say, aren't some of the fighters Polish?

00:06:12.000 Sure, Karolina Kowalkiewicz. 1.00

00:06:13.000 That bitch is a beast. 1.00

00:06:15.000 That woman, I should say. 1.00

00:06:18.000 Yeah, those ladies are fucking tough. 1.00

00:06:21.000 Like when I was a kid, watching pro wrestling. 0.99

00:06:23.000 Ivan Putzky.

00:06:24.000 How jacked was he? 1.00

00:06:26.000 Fucking jacked! 1.00

00:06:27.000 Now he works at a strip club in Vegas. 1.00

00:06:30.000 Does he really?

00:06:30.000 He's still alive.

00:06:31.000 I would like to go to that strip club just to shake that guy's hand. 0.95

00:06:33.000 I don't know if he still works there, but I know that a bunch of the wrestlers worked at Cheetahs.

00:06:38.000 I know the Godfather, the wrestler of the Godfather, he still manages Cheetahs in Vegas, and I think some of the wrestlers work there.

00:06:44.000 He's a real plump in real life?

00:06:45.000 He's a real pimp. 0.77

00:06:46.000 Dude, I was watching some clips from last night from WrestleMania and Ronda Rousey was with Kurt Angle and I was looking at Kurt Angle's body. 0.86

00:06:53.000 I was like, wow, that guy's gone through some damage.

00:06:56.000 He's a machine. 1.00

00:06:57.000 He's a goddamn beast. 1.00

00:06:58.000 He's gone through some damage. 1.00

00:07:00.000 Lots of neck surgeries.

00:07:01.000 Well, you could see it in his arms.

00:07:02.000 The neck surgeries you see in guys' arms because their arms atrophied.

00:07:05.000 Yeah, he's atrophied a lot. 1.00

00:07:06.000 Because his fucking neck looks like a goddamn tree trunk. 0.99

00:07:10.000 He's just got this neck that starts above his ears, and then his arms are not nearly as big as they used to be. 1.00

00:07:16.000 I think it's nerve damage, right?

00:07:17.000 Exactly, yeah.

00:07:18.000 I had Pat Miletic in here a couple weeks ago, you know, former UFC champion Pat.

00:07:22.000 He's got one arm that's smaller than the other one.

00:07:24.000 Boss Rutten will be here tomorrow.

00:07:25.000 He's got the same issues.

00:07:27.000 It's necks, neck issues.

00:07:30.000 I had a bulging disc in my neck, and I was getting weird numbness in my hands and then nerve pain in my elbow. 0.97

00:07:37.000 Ulnar nerve goes on there and when you ignore that shit and then keep training it, keep getting your fucking neck yanked on, then the disc starts to decay and then the pressing against the nerves and the spinal column, it gets worse and then it starts atrophying and cutting off the nerves to your arms and you get to the point where your shit just shrinks and it doesn't come back. 0.97

00:07:59.000 Yeah. 0.97

00:08:23.000 And then he got a CPAP, the CPAP to help actually cure everything.

00:08:27.000 He tried to do any and everything.

00:08:28.000 He was doing all kinds of different things to get his hand strength back and it turned out it was mainly his sleep.

00:08:33.000 He's too big to sleep on his side.

00:08:35.000 Whoa, that's crazy.

00:08:36.000 So how does he have to sleep?

00:08:38.000 Face forward?

00:08:38.000 I think he has to sleep on his back.

00:08:40.000 He should get one of the massage tables, just sleep with his face in the hole.

00:08:43.000 I want to do that.

00:08:45.000 You fall asleep on those things all the time. 1.00

00:08:46.000 Fuck yeah, it's a good way to keep from snoring. 0.99

00:08:48.000 Because the thing with me, I have a fat tongue, and if I lie down on my back, my tongue, I have sleep apnea too, but I wear a mouthpiece. 1.00

00:08:55.000 I don't...

00:08:56.000 You hear about some of these people taping their mouth shut?

00:08:58.000 Yeah, you could do that.

00:09:00.000 What's that about?

00:09:00.000 There's people that wear a chin strap.

00:09:01.000 You ever try that?

00:09:01.000 And you can breathe through your nose and it'll help.

00:09:03.000 Yeah.

00:09:04.000 Because if you breathe through your mouth and your tongue falls back and it covers your mouth open.

00:09:08.000 You're not recovering properly.

00:09:09.000 You're not breathing properly.

00:09:10.000 Right.

00:09:10.000 You would wake up with headaches.

00:09:12.000 I just wake up tired and with headaches, and then I went to this guy, Dr. Kuropian.

00:09:17.000 He's in Encino, and he has this mouthpiece that is essentially, it's a mouthpiece with like a tongue, and it presses down, like a tongue depressor.

00:09:24.000 It presses down on your tongue, and it keeps your tongue from falling backward. 0.99

00:09:27.000 It was a fucking game changer for me. 1.00

00:09:29.000 Oh shit. 1.00

00:09:29.000 Just one day, just changed? 1.00

00:09:31.000 Yeah, I tried CPAP for one night. 1.00

00:09:32.000 I'm like, get this fucking robot bullshit machine out of my face. 1.00

00:09:36.000 Yeah, Mark didn't like it. 1.00

00:09:37.000 He got scared.

00:09:38.000 Yeah, I'm claustrophobic, so it scared the fuck out of me.

00:09:41.000 Really? 1.00

00:09:42.000 Yeah, I hated that shit on my face. 1.00

00:09:43.000 And I tried the nose one. 1.00

00:09:45.000 I tried the mouth one.

00:09:46.000 I couldn't do either one of them.

00:09:47.000 Mouthpiece. 1.00

00:09:47.000 Mouthpiece is the shit. 1.00

00:09:48.000 I had sleep apnea really, really bad. 1.00

00:09:50.000 And it's cleared up a lot by just losing weight.

00:09:53.000 Being less fat.

00:09:54.000 That's a big thing.

00:09:55.000 Yeah, that's a factor.

00:09:56.000 That's a factor for a lot of people.

00:09:57.000 The fat in their neck and everything just sort of...

00:09:59.000 I mean, I was...

00:10:00.000 Yeah, we got so big.

00:10:02.000 Substantially fatter.

00:10:02.000 So, I mean, I could see why.

00:10:04.000 Yeah, it's the thing with weightlifters.

00:10:05.000 It's the interesting thing.

00:10:06.000 You get so big that you can't sleep.

00:10:09.000 What is it? 1.00

00:10:10.000 You spilled some shit on your shirt? 0.99

00:10:11.000 You spilled some coffee there. 1.00

00:10:13.000 That's the worst.

00:10:15.000 Trying to wipe it off.

00:10:16.000 Keep it from getting stained.

00:10:18.000 So, tell me about this carnivore diet.

00:10:21.000 Sure.

00:10:21.000 Because I had Sean Baker in here, and he talked to me about it, but he doesn't have any science.

00:10:26.000 You know, there's no, like, he doesn't have any, like, real tests or any long-term studies or anything like that.

00:10:31.000 And, you know, I I'm a person who believes in balance.

00:10:35.000 And I think that you need phytonutrients.

00:10:37.000 You need plant fiber.

00:10:39.000 I think there's a lot of healthy stuff that you get from plants.

00:10:43.000 I'm a big believer in eating meat, though.

00:10:45.000 But all meat.

00:10:46.000 You guys are doing all meat.

00:10:48.000 I've modified it.

00:10:50.000 One at a time, boys.

00:10:52.000 I think there's some holes in every diet.

00:10:54.000 I think when you go and you make the decision to only eat meat, then some rational thought should come into your head.

00:11:02.000 Maybe when I switch all the way to just meat all the time, maybe there's a possibility I'm going to eat too much meat.

00:11:08.000 And so maybe that would make sense to bring in some fruit and bring in some vegetables just so you're not eating too much meat for the simple reason.

00:11:15.000 Vegetables have been shown, and you can get a study to show you anything, but there's a study that's been done on 200,000 people that went on for 14 years.

00:11:24.000 And they studied vegetables.

00:11:26.000 They studied every type of vegetable.

00:11:27.000 And they found that they were more neutral than they were harmful or good for you.

00:11:32.000 They found that fruit was a little bit better for you.

00:11:34.000 And again, you can have any study saying anything.

00:11:36.000 Wait a minute.

00:11:36.000 What is this study?

00:11:38.000 It's called the pure study.

00:11:39.000 Wait a minute.

00:11:39.000 They said vegetables are neutral?

00:11:42.000 What does that mean?

00:11:42.000 They're neutral.

00:11:43.000 They don't really help you that much.

00:11:44.000 They weren't necessarily great and they weren't necessarily bad.

00:11:48.000 In comparison to what, though?

00:11:49.000 I don't know what their standard was for what they were looking for exactly, but the main thing they were looking for was it being protective in terms of your heart.

00:11:57.000 That was the main thing they were looking at.

00:12:00.000 So they found out that saturated fat is protective of your heart.

00:12:03.000 They found out that cholesterol is actually protective of your heart.

00:12:06.000 They found out that salt is...

00:12:07.000 Now it's all like, you know, without...

00:12:10.000 You can't take in tons and tons of salt because then something's going to...

00:12:14.000 Well, salt can kill you. 0.85

00:12:15.000 If you eat a pound of salt, you're dead.

00:12:16.000 You know, salt's one of those things that's really good for you.

00:12:18.000 It's an essential mineral.

00:12:19.000 To a certain extent.

00:12:21.000 But if you take too much of it, you will die.

00:12:22.000 So I think any of these things can be done too far.

00:12:24.000 I jumped on a carnivore diet just to give it a shot and to see exactly what it was about.

00:12:28.000 Why did you do that?

00:12:29.000 Because you talked to Sean?

00:12:30.000 Sean Baker?

00:12:31.000 Yeah, he was on your podcast.

00:12:32.000 I got inspired to do it.

00:12:34.000 He was already doing it.

00:12:35.000 So I was like, all right, let me try it out.

00:12:37.000 I tried it out, got leaner, felt better.

00:12:39.000 And I was like, this is pretty cool.

00:12:40.000 And why'd you start it?

00:12:41.000 So I was doing a ketogenic diet for over a year.

00:12:44.000 Lost a lot of weight on that.

00:12:45.000 Was doing great.

00:12:46.000 You look really good, man.

00:12:47.000 You look very thin and healthy.

00:12:49.000 I appreciate it.

00:12:49.000 Your face looks healthy.

00:12:51.000 I still have a long way to go, in my opinion.

00:12:54.000 This is a work in progress, but the reason I did it was really simple.

00:12:57.000 It's a dietary intervention.

00:12:59.000 I went through sobriety, as you know.

00:13:02.000 I was a drug addict and an alcoholic for about six years.

00:13:06.000 And when I went through sobriety, that's an intervention.

00:13:10.000 There's something wrong.

00:13:11.000 There's a problem.

00:13:12.000 We need to fix it.

00:13:13.000 So my problem now was arthritis.

00:13:16.000 And I needed something that was like an intervention that would get me from being arthritic and in pain and not being able to lift.

00:13:26.000 Yeah.

00:13:39.000 Excellent on this diet, and I think the reason is I'm getting a lot more protein in.

00:13:43.000 I wasn't getting enough protein on keto because I was listening to everybody say, well, it'll knock you out of ketosis if you eat too much protein, and that's what I constantly was being told, but I wasn't muscular.

00:13:53.000 I wasn't being able to put on muscle.

00:13:57.000 Well, you were constantly testing your blood levels.

00:14:00.000 Were you using a meter?

00:14:02.000 Yeah, every day about three or four times.

00:14:04.000 Like I'm crazy with it.

00:14:05.000 What would knock you out of ketosis?

00:14:07.000 The things that would knock me out of ketosis were just like mainly anything with carbohydrates.

00:14:11.000 I wasn't really having too much of a problem with protein because I wasn't eating a lot of protein.

00:14:16.000 But there were things that if I cheated on my diet, for example, of course that would usually kick me out of ketosis.

00:14:23.000 But then I also got to a point where you become so fat adapted that you become what we like to call metabolically flexible.

00:14:30.000 Metabolic flexibility just means you can switch from being a fat burner, you know, mostly a fat burner for the most part because I'm eating high fat, but then if I do eat something with sugar in it, it doesn't really affect me that much.

00:14:41.000 Because I'm 90% going with the fat.

00:14:45.000 So I can kind of move back and forth between those two things.

00:14:49.000 But what I realized on the carnivore diet, when I switched over to carnivore, the whole time I was thinking, man, if I could just have an apple, I would feel so much better.

00:14:58.000 Because just eating this steak, it's killing me and it's driving me crazy.

00:15:01.000 Well, how's it killing you?

00:15:02.000 Just mentally.

00:15:03.000 I wasn't ready for it.

00:15:04.000 I wasn't tough enough to just say, okay, I'll just have steak on a plate.

00:15:08.000 Yeah, mentally.

00:15:09.000 Well, you automatically use intermittent fasting almost because you don't always have a hamburger in your pocket or you don't always run through In-N-Out Burger or whatever it might be. 0.99

00:15:18.000 But yeah, you end up utilizing some intermittent fasting and you're like, fuck, man, the only food I have to eat is a hamburger or steak. 0.97

00:15:25.000 That's where I was at. 0.99

00:15:26.000 And it was hamburger or steak.

00:15:27.000 And I'm like, well, how about an apple?

00:15:29.000 So I talked to our friend, Stan Efferding, who's a bodybuilder, and he's huge.

00:15:33.000 Jacked.

00:15:33.000 And he's also a power lifter.

00:15:35.000 51 years old, too, and fucking jacked. 0.99

00:15:37.000 One of the smartest guys I know. 0.99

00:15:39.000 And he sent me that study that I sent to you about the fruit.

00:15:43.000 And I don't know if you watched that or not, but basically they did a large scale study with fruit and they found out that the fruit actually would drive blood glucose down instead of bringing it up when taken with protein like red meat.

00:15:57.000 And so I'm like looking at this going like, well, it's not going to drive my glucose up.

00:16:02.000 I mean, that'd be the one thing I'm concerned with.

00:16:04.000 Why not have some fruit?

00:16:05.000 And talking with Stan about it, he was saying, like, I think fruit is totally fine, and I think you can have as much as you want.

00:16:12.000 And so I sort of switched over.

00:16:14.000 That sounds crazy, though, because that's sugar.

00:16:16.000 I mean, how is your body not at its blood glucose level?

00:16:21.000 They've done studies where they've studied fructose.

00:16:25.000 So everybody thinks fructose is really bad.

00:16:27.000 Well, they think that because of high fructose corn syrup.

00:16:29.000 And fructose is really bad when it's outside of fruit.

00:16:33.000 But for some reason, a fruit has these phytonutrients.

00:16:37.000 It has fiber in it.

00:16:38.000 And those things sort of like protect you from what's going on in the sugar.

00:16:43.000 They actually, there's phytonutrients in fruit, like say an apple.

00:16:46.000 There's certain phytonutrients in there that won't allow your small intestine to like absorb the fat.

00:16:52.000 And so it actually helps you to digest things like red meat that have high fat.

00:16:57.000 There's cofactors in fruit that help you digest the sugars in them.

00:17:00.000 I'm not a doctor, I'm a filmmaker, so I basically ask a lot of questions to a lot of people and start figuring things out, and then it's trial and error.

00:17:12.000 Right now I'm in the trial and error part, and it seems like it's been working pretty good.

00:17:16.000 Now, are you getting your blood work done?

00:17:18.000 Yes.

00:17:19.000 Just got my blood work done from last month and everything improved from keto to carnivore.

00:17:27.000 I didn't really have any cholesterol issues.

00:17:30.000 I didn't have any...

00:17:32.000 What were my issues?

00:17:35.000 We've had our blood work done probably four or five times in the last year or so, I'd say.

00:17:40.000 Yeah. 0.57

00:17:40.000 And, you know, not all the numbers are fucking great, but for the most part, it's been pretty healthy. 0.57

00:17:45.000 The cholesterol has been good. 0.93

00:17:46.000 The triglycerides have been good.

00:17:49.000 This doesn't show up in your blood.

00:17:50.000 Well, what's not good?

00:17:51.000 Just it's not in the high range of what it shows you on the sheet.

00:17:57.000 And then we also had other people.

00:17:58.000 Wait a minute.

00:17:58.000 For what?

00:18:00.000 Oh, in terms of like the triglycerides and the cholesterol and stuff like that, is what you're talking about?

00:18:05.000 Well, you're saying what's not good?

00:18:07.000 No, I'm just saying everything's been pretty good.

00:18:12.000 Like this last time, I did have my...

00:18:14.000 I had one of my markers kind of high.

00:18:17.000 We both had high C-reactive protein, and we're not sure why, so that's something that we have to look into.

00:18:23.000 And what is C-reactive protein?

00:18:25.000 It's a marker for inflammation, and my C-reactive...

00:18:27.000 Specifically of the heart.

00:18:29.000 Yeah, my C-reactive protein, mine was really high on keto, but then after I went keto to carnivore, it came way, way down.

00:18:36.000 So I don't know where it is right now.

00:18:38.000 I also had a really high, mine registered really high out of nowhere.

00:18:42.000 It was totally fine with all the blood work I've had done.

00:18:45.000 And the last one I had done, it skyrocketed.

00:18:48.000 People were saying, well, maybe it's because you worked out beforehand or...

00:18:51.000 Right.

00:18:51.000 Were you consistent in when you ate, when you got your test done?

00:18:56.000 Were you guys on a fast before your test done?

00:18:58.000 I trained beforehand, so I might have fucked it up. 0.97

00:19:00.000 Oh, you fucked it up. 0.98

00:19:01.000 For sure. 0.99

00:19:01.000 The way you train? 0.99

00:19:03.000 You should never test yourself after the way you train.

00:19:05.000 Yeah.

00:19:06.000 The blood work, it's a snapshot in time, and we hear that a lot.

00:19:12.000 And I think that that's important to realize and recognize that it's just this one snapshot in time, and we constantly change all the time.

00:19:21.000 That's particularly important with dietary cholesterol.

00:19:24.000 With cholesterol in the blood, the way it registers, if you have a big fat-filled meal and then go and get a blood test versus you fasting, it's like, how is your body absorbing this is what's really important.

00:19:37.000 How's your body absorbing these essential nutrients, not what happens right after you eat?

00:19:43.000 Because your body knows what to do with that stuff.

00:19:45.000 My cholesterol was 190, which is good.

00:19:48.000 I mean, they want it to be under 200. But I thought what was really interesting was my HDL went way up from about like 60 points going from keto to carnivore.

00:19:58.000 Well, are you eating a lot of fatty cuts, like rib eyes and stuff like that?

00:20:02.000 Mostly rib eyes.

00:20:03.000 I like a lot of dietary fat.

00:20:05.000 I like a lot of meat fat.

00:20:07.000 I think there's a certain point, right?

00:20:09.000 Because I don't know.

00:20:10.000 Before, when I was doing a ketogenic diet, the fat is kind of free-flowing because you make your bulletproof coffees and you're just dumping fat and everything.

00:20:19.000 You're putting butter on everything.

00:20:20.000 But when you have a steak, what's really nice about having a steak is you're right about 65 to 75% fat already.

00:20:29.000 Like just out of the box.

00:20:32.000 You're eating corn-fed beef?

00:20:34.000 Is that what you're eating?

00:20:34.000 I eat both.

00:20:35.000 I think that the difference between the grass-fed and the grain-fed, there really isn't a substantial amount of proof of how much better that is.

00:20:44.000 I do know that grass-fed beef has five times the amount of omega-3.

00:20:47.000 Yeah.

00:20:47.000 So you always want to pick grass-fed beef when you can.

00:20:50.000 But a lot of people can't afford it.

00:20:52.000 And also, for me, the best meat is at Costco.

00:20:56.000 That's the best tasting meat that you're going to find.

00:20:58.000 I've been everywhere.

00:21:00.000 Why is Costco better?

00:21:02.000 It just tastes the best.

00:21:03.000 I think they shoot around for the best stuff.

00:21:05.000 They have the best meat.

00:21:06.000 Really?

00:21:06.000 I think they do, yeah.

00:21:07.000 So fuck some expensive butcher shop. 1.00

00:21:09.000 It's corn-fed. 1.00

00:21:10.000 Go to Costco?

00:21:11.000 I think Costco is outstanding.

00:21:12.000 Do you know Costco is all organic now, too?

00:21:15.000 Mm-hmm.

00:21:16.000 That's a weird word, though.

00:21:17.000 That word is so loosely defined.

00:21:18.000 What is organic? 0.99

00:21:19.000 Well, we didn't spray it with a fucking chemical right before we gave it to you. 0.98

00:21:24.000 What is exactly organic meat? 0.99

00:21:26.000 You have to pay to get organic status, too.

00:21:29.000 That's a weird thing.

00:21:30.000 You have to pay a lot of money.

00:21:33.000 Talking to Bulletproof, and the guy was telling me, like, you have to, to Dave Asprey, he was telling me, you have to pay money to get recognized as being organic.

00:21:42.000 I would take whatever that guy says with a fat grain of salt.

00:21:45.000 Yeah, sure, I know.

00:21:46.000 But I'm saying you have to pay to get it to be...

00:21:49.000 I wonder if that's true.

00:21:50.000 Yeah.

00:21:50.000 I don't know if that's true.

00:21:51.000 Yeah, it is true.

00:21:52.000 Is it?

00:21:53.000 That you have to pay?

00:21:54.000 Well, I mean, I'm sure it costs money to get tested and to make sure that you're certified.

00:21:59.000 Yeah, something like that.

00:22:00.000 You have to pay money for it.

00:22:01.000 I mean, there has to be some sort of a test and tests cost money.

00:22:04.000 I mean, but when you're looking at the standards, like, what does that mean?

00:22:08.000 It means no antibiotics, no added hormones, right?

00:22:10.000 Is that what it means?

00:22:11.000 I believe so, yeah.

00:22:12.000 And for food, it means no pesticides, right?

00:22:14.000 Yeah.

00:22:14.000 I mean, excuse me, for plants.

00:22:15.000 Fruits and vegetables, yeah.

00:22:16.000 For fruits and plants.

00:22:18.000 The one thing that concerns me with grass-fed meat is that you're eating...

00:22:24.000 Well, you definitely get a more expensive cut, but you're eating an animal that is eating what it's supposed to eat.

00:22:30.000 Yeah.

00:22:31.000 When you're eating, like, I've had Wagyu beef and Kobe beef.

00:22:34.000 It's delicious.

00:22:35.000 It's awesome, yeah.

00:22:36.000 But that thing's dead.

00:22:37.000 That's a dying animal. 0.74

00:22:38.000 That's like eating a giant fat guy about to have a heart attack.

00:22:41.000 I mean, all that marbling, that's not supposed to happen.

00:22:44.000 Like, you shoot a bison, like a free-range bison, you get a dark, ruby-red hunk of meat. 0.99

00:22:51.000 I mean, and that's a fucking vibrant animal. 0.95

00:22:53.000 I'd have to say that I completely agree with you, but there isn't science to really support that eating a cow that was fed with soy or corn is necessarily way worse. 0.99

00:23:03.000 And so I might just be stupid for waiting for that to come out. 0.97

00:23:07.000 It could. 0.99

00:23:07.000 It could be worse. 0.99

00:23:08.000 Hold on a second.

00:23:08.000 You just said that there's way more omega fatty acids in grass-fed beef.

00:23:14.000 Omega fatty acids are essential for brain development, muscle development.

00:23:18.000 There's so many benefits to those essential fatty acids.

00:23:21.000 And if those are more present in grass-fed meat, wouldn't you just assume that grass-fed meat is more nutritious?

00:23:27.000 Yeah, I would say that it has more omega-3.

00:23:32.000 It might be more nutritious in that particular way.

00:23:36.000 But I say, like, you know, is the cost-benefit?

00:23:39.000 You know, the other day I went and bought grass-fed meat from Whole Foods.

00:23:44.000 $33.99 a pound for a filet.

00:23:46.000 $19.99 a pound at Costco for a filet.

00:23:49.000 The Costco one is so much better.

00:23:52.000 The one from Whole Foods was almost not edible.

00:23:54.000 It didn't taste good.

00:23:56.000 It's a real tough piece of meat sometimes.

00:23:58.000 Tough filet?

00:24:00.000 At Whole Foods, I don't know why, they'd have crappy meat.

00:24:03.000 For some reason, grass-fed stuff sometimes is a little tougher.

00:24:05.000 And it's super expensive.

00:24:05.000 Did you get a sponsorship for Costco right before you came here today?

00:24:08.000 No, no, no.

00:24:09.000 We did.

00:24:09.000 Super suspicious.

00:24:11.000 We nailed it.

00:24:11.000 But what I'm saying is that I've gone to a lot of places to try to find what meat I thought tastes the best.

00:24:20.000 So, for me, sometimes you have to eat a lot of meat.

00:24:26.000 And if it doesn't taste that good, you're not going to get through it.

00:24:28.000 So I prefer to have meat that tastes better.

00:24:30.000 I like, for grass-fed meat, I like to use grass-fed beef patties, because they're a little fattier, and those taste fine to me.

00:24:40.000 But the grass-fed steaks, they don't really taste as good, so I just kind of switch back and forth.

00:24:44.000 I think these are some of the smaller issues.

00:24:46.000 These aren't the main things that we're really trying to fight.

00:24:48.000 My brother and I, we just took on to do another film, and he and I are doing this one together on nutrition.

00:24:56.000 And we're trying to find out some truths.

00:24:58.000 I mean, we're trying to find out about grass-fed and organic and all these different things. 0.92

00:25:02.000 But mainly we're just trying to figure out how the fuck do we help fight obesity?

00:25:06.000 How do we help fight diabetes? 0.84

00:25:08.000 How do we help people gain control of their diet?

00:25:11.000 And I think that's really truly what we're talking about is control.

00:25:14.000 And you look at something like a ketogenic diet, in my opinion, it's one of the few diets that can really help people with control of their diet because it can help...

00:25:25.000 Well, the cravings of refined carbohydrates and sugars, those are giant.

00:25:35.000 And when you hear about...

00:25:38.000 Saturated fat being dangerous.

00:25:40.000 It is dangerous if you take saturated fat with high levels of carbohydrates and high levels of refined sugars.

00:25:46.000 Dr. Rhonda Patrick went over that in depth, and it's really fascinating.

00:25:49.000 The reaction that your body has to the high levels of carbohydrates and the high levels of fat.

00:25:53.000 See, your body is either fat burning or carbohydrate burning.

00:25:57.000 So when you combine the two of them together, you have a nightmare.

00:26:00.000 Yeah.

00:26:01.000 You're really not supposed to do that.

00:26:03.000 It's not the saturated fat that's the problem.

00:26:05.000 It's the saturated fat in conjunction with the refined carbohydrates and sugars.

00:26:09.000 And one of the things that they're finding, too, is one of the big arguments that vegans in particular have used for high-carbohydrate diets in relation to obesity is look at Asian cultures.

00:26:20.000 In Asian cultures, you have low levels of obesity but high levels of high-carbohydrates.

00:26:26.000 But you know what else you have?

00:26:27.000 High levels of diabetes.

00:26:28.000 Diabetes.

00:26:29.000 You don't have to be fat to be diabetic.

00:26:31.000 How many people in China?

00:26:34.000 400 million people with diabetes?

00:26:36.000 Well, their level is slightly lower than ours in terms of diabetes, but Japan's level is higher than ours. 0.97

00:26:44.000 It's pretty high, right?

00:26:45.000 Yeah, Japan's level of diabetes per capita is higher than ours.

00:26:48.000 I would say their body fat levels are probably pretty high, too.

00:26:51.000 No, their body fat levels are lower than ours. 0.94

00:26:53.000 We're gross.

00:26:54.000 Oh, of course they're lower than ours. 0.94

00:26:54.000 Not you and I and not the three of us. 0.94

00:26:56.000 We're not gross. 1.00

00:26:56.000 But Americans, we're fucking gross. 1.00

00:26:58.000 We eat fucking dog shit. 1.00

00:27:02.000 And speaking of dogs, we feed our dogs shit. 1.00

00:27:06.000 The only two species on the planet that get fat are human beings and the things that we feed. 1.00

00:27:12.000 Oh, you see my friend's cat.

00:27:14.000 Yeah, it could be a cat, it could be a dog, but it's our pets and people.

00:27:17.000 Those are the only things that get fat.

00:27:19.000 Ice cream.

00:27:20.000 We grew up like that.

00:27:22.000 We grew up eating Oreo cookies, having a plethora of ice creams and different things in our cabinets.

00:27:27.000 We'd go to the gym and do a full-on squat workout, work up to 500 pounds and go home and eat half a gallon of ice cream just because we didn't know any better.

00:27:36.000 It's not even true.

00:27:37.000 It wasn't a full workout.

00:27:38.000 It was just a squat, as heavy as we could.

00:27:40.000 Then we went home and ate ice cream.

00:27:41.000 But there's some benefit for eating some sugar post-workout, right?

00:27:45.000 Absolutely.

00:27:45.000 I know Jim Stepani, he believes in that.

00:27:48.000 He's into gummy bears and shit like that. 0.97

00:27:49.000 There is a big shift, though, in what's going on in nutrition and what people think about that post-workout carb window and all that kind of thing. 0.98

00:27:59.000 I think a lot of people have been shifting away from that kind of stuff.

00:28:01.000 A lot of people have been shifting away from six meals a day.

00:28:04.000 A lot of people have been shifting away from...

00:28:07.000 Fasted cardio, and a lot of these dietary sort of myths that we thought that we needed to do, we're looking into it and going like, wait, if you don't eat after you work out, you don't lose muscle, these things don't happen, so do you need to do that?

00:28:19.000 It could be beneficial or it could not be, but we're starting to realize that maybe some of these things that we were doing aren't necessary.

00:28:26.000 I think there's science behind it, too, because there's money to be made.

00:28:29.000 So I don't think it really matters exactly when you take in your carbs.

00:28:32.000 I think if you were just to have carbs throughout the day, I think you would end up with a similar pump and you'd end up with similar recovery levels.

00:28:38.000 I know there's a lot of studies showing that, but there's probably not a study showing if you took in 300 grams of carbs just normally versus dumping some more in after a workout.

00:28:47.000 Well, you guys know Rob Wolf, right?

00:28:48.000 Absolutely.

00:28:49.000 He's awesome.

00:28:49.000 He's great.

00:28:50.000 But one of the things that Rob Wolf has done is pretty interesting is he and his wife will eat the exact same thing and then an hour later they test their blood and they have very different results.

00:28:58.000 And this is something that's really important to emphasize.

00:29:01.000 Everybody's body is different.

00:29:02.000 Sure.

00:29:03.000 And some people just, like, I have one daughter that can't, she's lactose intolerant. 0.94

00:29:08.000 She drinks milk, she starts farting.

00:29:10.000 She's seven years old.

00:29:11.000 She thinks it's hilarious.

00:29:12.000 She thinks it's hilarious.

00:29:13.000 I don't know.

00:29:13.000 But it does hurt her stomach a little bit.

00:29:15.000 Yeah.

00:29:15.000 But she'll have like a little ice cream and then she'll start farting.

00:29:18.000 Damn. 1.00

00:29:19.000 She does it on cue, too. 1.00

00:29:20.000 She goes...

00:29:21.000 There's something really important to tell you.

00:29:24.000 She nails you with it, right?

00:29:26.000 What, she been hanging out with you?

00:29:27.000 She's got time.

00:29:28.000 That's his jokes.

00:29:30.000 But my other daughter, my nine-year-old, has zero problem with it.

00:29:32.000 So it's just a physiological thing.

00:29:35.000 And it's a weird roll of the dice.

00:29:37.000 I mean, human beings, we vary in eye color, we vary in height, we vary in everything.

00:29:41.000 And we definitely vary in our dietary needs.

00:29:43.000 And that's what makes it so crazy to try to give people any sort of nutritional advice because...

00:29:48.000 You know, you can't talk in generalizations.

00:29:51.000 You can't say this will work for everybody.

00:29:52.000 I can't get on here and say an all-meat diet will work for everybody.

00:29:56.000 I think you can.

00:29:56.000 I think you can in some way.

00:29:57.000 I think most people are eating too much sugar.

00:29:59.000 People that are fat.

00:30:00.000 I think that.

00:30:00.000 In that way, you can.

00:30:02.000 And just carbs, period.

00:30:03.000 Well, that's what we're trying to define by doing a documentary.

00:30:06.000 What are the couple things that we can point to and say everybody needs to do this, this, and this, and then these other things are like, I just wonder if your average American only ate 100 carbs every day if people wouldn't be fat.

00:30:18.000 Well, I think there's different carbohydrate requirements for athletes though. 0.95

00:30:21.000 Like my friend Cam Haynes who runs, like when he's training for these ultra marathons, he runs a fucking marathon a day.

00:30:28.000 That guy needs more carbs than the average guy who sits in front of his desk and is on a keto diet. 0.98

00:30:34.000 But maybe he needs more fat.

00:30:36.000 You can only store 2,000 calories of, you know, carbohydrate in your body at one time, but the normal average person has about 40,000 calories of fat just hanging out on their body and they don't even know it.

00:30:49.000 So we have a lot more energy available to us as fat if we Learn how to utilize it.

00:30:55.000 Carbs are also crucial from one workout to the next.

00:30:57.000 So if you're anybody that ever does multiple workouts in a day, any of these MMA fighters, CrossFitters, they're doing multiple.

00:31:03.000 They absolutely need carbs. 1.00

00:31:05.000 And it's a good opportunity.

00:31:06.000 Like, forget the carb window necessarily.

00:31:09.000 It's just another opportunity to eat and to get in some calories.

00:31:12.000 And so I think for them, post-workout shakes and those carb shakes can be really beneficial.

00:31:16.000 It's a problem with athletes, too, because they're always trying to find the optimum performance, and you're experimenting.

00:31:23.000 And you're wondering how much of your mind-fucking yourself, how much of it is just because you worked out too hard?

00:31:28.000 Like, where's your energy level at? 0.99

00:31:29.000 You didn't sleep good?

00:31:31.000 Is it your diet?

00:31:32.000 Like, what is it?

00:31:32.000 You know, and they're always trying to figure it out.

00:31:35.000 It's a big commitment and a big deal to actually stop what you're doing and to eat.

00:31:39.000 Because it takes you like 20-30 minutes to actually eat.

00:31:42.000 It might take you 10-20 minutes to cook the meal.

00:31:44.000 And then you have 20-30 minutes to try to digest it and you're not sure.

00:31:48.000 If you're doing MMA, you have intense workouts.

00:31:51.000 Or if you're doing CrossFit or some of these workouts can be really intense.

00:31:54.000 You're not sure how that's going to sit. 1.00

00:31:56.000 So sometimes, for me, I'm just like, fuck it. 0.99

00:31:58.000 I'm just going to use intermittent fasting. 0.99

00:31:59.000 But I don't compete anymore.

00:32:01.000 So for me...

00:32:02.000 It doesn't matter as much.

00:32:03.000 Well, intermittent fasting is absolutely beneficial.

00:32:05.000 And I think one of the things that we're talking about, one of the benefits of the keto diet that you also get from intermittent fasting is when your body goes into fat-burning mode, your hunger goes away.

00:32:14.000 It's the weirdest thing.

00:32:16.000 And it's a great benefit.

00:32:17.000 I was going to bring that up. 1.00

00:32:17.000 That's an important thing to kill. 1.00

00:32:18.000 I had a really poor relationship with food before I even started the ketogenic diet.

00:32:25.000 And by doing the keto...

00:32:26.000 Let's not talk over each other.

00:32:27.000 I know it's hard and we're all doing it, but let's try.

00:32:30.000 Gotcha.

00:32:31.000 But yeah, not being hungry has allowed me to have a little bit of...

00:32:35.000 I feel free now.

00:32:36.000 I feel like I'm not...

00:32:37.000 You know, attached to food.

00:32:39.000 I don't need food all the time.

00:32:40.000 I used to think about food all the time because I was constantly, you know, eating things with sugar in it.

00:32:45.000 I used to go to the movies and because I'm a filmmaker, I love to go to the movies and I used to go all the time.

00:32:50.000 And I had this rule where during the movie was my only time I could cheat on my diet and I could eat whatever I wanted.

00:32:55.000 And it turned into a clusterfuck because I'd have, you know, I'd have like the little pretzel bites with the cheese that you dip in.

00:33:02.000 And I'd have Sour Patch Kids and Twizzlers and I'd buy... 0.99

00:33:05.000 I'd eat three bags of candy and pretzels and I'd eat the whole thing during the movie because the movies usually suck and I need something to do to keep my mind off of the shitty movie.

00:33:13.000 So I would eat the whole time, you know, and obviously that didn't work, you know, and I was dieting besides that. 0.73

00:33:20.000 But, you know, it wasn't doing anything because I was just killing all the, you know, all the progress I was making.

00:33:26.000 But by doing this ketogenic diet and not being hungry...

00:33:30.000 It's allowed me to just sit back and look at food and go, I want that and I want that because it's good for me.

00:33:36.000 Rather than say, I need this now because I'm hungry.

00:33:39.000 Do you still do cheat meals?

00:33:40.000 No.

00:33:41.000 Once in a while. 0.96

00:33:42.000 I shouldn't say no because then somebody will catch me on Instagram with a piece of cake and be like, that guy's a liar.

00:33:47.000 But the thing is, I try not to.

00:33:52.000 But there's things that are cheating for the carnivore diet that sometimes come into my life.

00:33:58.000 Like somebody makes a new bar and they give it to me and they're like, oh here, try this bar.

00:34:02.000 And I want to just try it to see if it's good.

00:34:04.000 So yeah, it's off my diet and I'll eat it.

00:34:05.000 But my cheats are much less damaging than they used to be.

00:34:09.000 My cheats now are what some people call health foods.

00:34:12.000 Now, when you say carnivore diet, you're saying that all of your meals are just meat?

00:34:16.000 Yeah.

00:34:17.000 Just meat?

00:34:18.000 Yeah, just meat.

00:34:19.000 Just steak, usually, or grass-fed beef.

00:34:23.000 No salads?

00:34:24.000 No salads for the most part.

00:34:26.000 Every once in a while, like if I'm at a restaurant or something and a salad creeps in, I'll have a couple bites of it.

00:34:32.000 But I'm not a vegetable kind of guy.

00:34:34.000 I've never really liked them.

00:34:36.000 But I do love fruit.

00:34:37.000 I like the sweet stuff, but I don't like the vegetables that much.

00:34:40.000 So how much fruit do you eat a day now?

00:34:41.000 About two to three pieces of fruit a day.

00:34:45.000 Like an apple.

00:34:46.000 Like maybe two apples a day.

00:34:47.000 Probably something like that.

00:34:48.000 And how many meals a day?

00:34:49.000 Maybe one.

00:34:50.000 And then about two meals a day.

00:34:52.000 Maybe like two steaks or maybe four burger patties or something like that.

00:34:56.000 So it's not a whole lot of food that I'm talking about.

00:34:58.000 I can't eat like Dr. Sean Baker.

00:35:00.000 He's an animal.

00:35:01.000 He eats about four pounds of meat a day. 0.92

00:35:03.000 He's a big giant dude.

00:35:04.000 Yeah, he's 6'5".

00:35:05.000 He's a foot taller than I am.

00:35:06.000 So that's pretty crazy right there.

00:35:09.000 There's not a whole lot of food.

00:35:11.000 I think a lot of people, when they hear all meat, they're just thinking, I'm downing these giant plates of food, but I'm not that hungry.

00:35:18.000 So I do have to try to hit my protein goal each day, though, which is about, you know, I need a certain amount of protein, so I need like 168 grams of protein or something like that.

00:35:30.000 I went off the rails the other night at Peter Luger's in Brooklyn.

00:35:32.000 I saw that.

00:35:32.000 I was so excited.

00:35:34.000 Woo! 0.99

00:35:35.000 So good.

00:35:35.000 But we were eating steak, and then I was stuffed from the steak, but French fries were there.

00:35:39.000 And it's a weird thing, man. 0.98

00:35:41.000 When you eat steak and there's fries, you could be stuffed from the steak, but you fucking keep pounding those fries. 0.97

00:35:47.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:35:47.000 Those salty fries are still goddamn good. 0.99

00:35:49.000 You know what? 0.91

00:35:49.000 Pallet fatigue is a big thing, and that's what professional eaters do. 0.91

00:35:54.000 They'll be eating ice cream and they can't eat anymore, so they eat some french fries because it's a different taste.

00:35:59.000 There's also the salt.

00:36:00.000 There's something about the fried food with salt.

00:36:03.000 You could just stuff more in there.

00:36:05.000 It's weird.

00:36:05.000 If you look at Brian Shaw, the world's strongest man that we were talking about before, he uses dextrose.

00:36:11.000 He puts it on rice, which is a sugar, and he puts it on rice so that you can eat more rice.

00:36:17.000 Jesus.

00:36:17.000 Yeah.

00:36:18.000 Just so he can get bigger?

00:36:19.000 So he can get bigger, yeah.

00:36:20.000 So he can maintain his 440-pound body. 1.00

00:36:25.000 That's fucking ridiculous. 1.00

00:36:26.000 Well, that's a totally different thing. 1.00

00:36:27.000 One thing that we've tried to do is we've tried to not celebrate I think that can be an issue.

00:36:34.000 You do want to celebrate here and there.

00:36:36.000 You want to have some fun here and there.

00:36:37.000 But have control over that celebration.

00:36:40.000 You're celebrating your buddy's birthday party that you never even talked to. 1.00

00:36:46.000 And you're getting drunk and eating fucking cheesecake and stuff. 1.00

00:36:49.000 Celebrate when you really want to. 0.99

00:36:51.000 Celebrate when you really kind of quote-unquote need to.

00:36:54.000 Maybe you celebrate after you lost 20 pounds, but if you celebrate by cheating on your diet, it's actually more harmful to you than it is a real celebration.

00:37:04.000 You're hurting yourself rather than helping improve yourself.

00:37:07.000 Now, we do need times where we do have fun and we kick back and have a couple drinks.

00:37:13.000 But drinking or overeating, a lot of those things, even when you're trying to stay on your diet, they will almost always lead to you cheating.

00:37:20.000 I noticed that if I overeat, that's when I get hit with cravings sometimes.

00:37:25.000 So somebody might think, I'm just going to stuff myself with a bunch of burgers.

00:37:29.000 I'm going to stuff myself with a bunch of meat.

00:37:31.000 For me, it hasn't worked that way.

00:37:33.000 It kind of makes those cravings creep back in.

00:37:35.000 Yeah, for sure.

00:37:36.000 I mean, but it's also, psychologically, it's fun to cheat.

00:37:40.000 Absolutely.

00:37:41.000 Give yourself a little bit of a break.

00:37:42.000 Get some linguine with clams.

00:37:44.000 I'd say even like on a carnivore diet, there's some things that I eat that are, I'd consider them like slight cheats, like going to In-N-Out Burger, you know, getting like a Flying Dutchman.

00:37:54.000 You know what that is?

00:37:55.000 No.

00:37:55.000 Flying Dutchman is a patty, then two pieces of cheese, and then a patty.

00:37:59.000 That's cheating?

00:38:00.000 Well, it's...

00:38:01.000 Because of the cheese?

00:38:01.000 Because of the cheese, yeah.

00:38:03.000 You know?

00:38:03.000 And it's not grass-fed or anything like that, so you're like, eh, who knows what I'm eating, but at least it sort of fits on my plan.

00:38:10.000 But those are so good that every once in a while, you know, you stop it in and out and get a couple...

00:38:14.000 I get it with the lettuce on.

00:38:16.000 They give you way too much lettuce, I think.

00:38:18.000 They give you like an entire head of lettuce, and I'm like, how do I get through this?

00:38:21.000 You don't like lettuce?

00:38:22.000 No, not really.

00:38:23.000 Not a big fan.

00:38:24.000 Neither one of us love salad.

00:38:26.000 I said on Instagram the other day that salad is fake news and people got really pissed.

00:38:31.000 But what I meant by that was just that people are dumping tons of dressing on it.

00:38:35.000 Oh, yeah.

00:38:35.000 And they're not getting what they think they're getting.

00:38:38.000 And especially like a lot of salads that you get at like a restaurant are just...

00:38:41.000 I like that idea.

00:39:00.000 I use his mayonnaise because I eat a lot of wild game and wild game doesn't have much fat at all.

00:39:05.000 You talked about that Chipotle mayonnaise and I started eating like crazy after you said it.

00:39:11.000 I ate a ton of it this morning with a steak.

00:39:13.000 It's really good.

00:39:14.000 I take it, I'll slice a piece of steak, dunk it in, I'll put a It's good.

00:39:30.000 It's good.

00:39:39.000 You wouldn't be able to do a carnivore diet on those kind of meats, right?

00:39:43.000 I mean, it's too lean, right?

00:39:45.000 Yeah, I would think so.

00:39:46.000 You'd have to add fat.

00:39:47.000 You've heard of rabbit starvation?

00:39:49.000 Yeah, rabbits are extremely lean, and you can eat only rabbit and literally starve to death.

00:39:55.000 Wow.

00:39:55.000 Yeah, people have experienced rabbit starvation.

00:39:58.000 Sounds crazy.

00:39:59.000 It is crazy.

00:40:00.000 Because it's so lean?

00:40:01.000 Yeah, Google that.

00:40:03.000 Google rabbit starvation, what that means.

00:40:05.000 Because someone told me about that, and I literally never looked into it other than what they said.

00:40:09.000 But it's so lean that your body just doesn't get enough fat.

00:40:13.000 Do butchers typically add fat to wild game, like when they chop it up and stuff?

00:40:18.000 Not protein poisoning.

00:40:19.000 Protein poisoning also referred to as rabbit starvation.

00:40:23.000 A rare form of acute malnutrition thought to be caused by a complete absence of fat in the diet.

00:40:28.000 Oh, that's interesting.

00:40:29.000 They call it protein poisoning.

00:40:30.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:40:31.000 So because if you just eat rabbits, like if you just have like a fucking room full of rabbits. 0.99

00:40:36.000 Can you live off rabbit meat? 0.99

00:40:36.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:40:37.000 You can live off rabbit meat, but most people would eat rabbits, eat rabbits with potatoes, and look at that.

00:40:43.000 Rabbit starvation.

00:40:44.000 Man cannot live by rabbits alone.

00:40:46.000 The meat is too lean.

00:40:47.000 Add fats and a few carbs or protein to the lapin.

00:40:49.000 I guess that's what a rabbit is and you can easily survive.

00:40:52.000 Rabbit meat, lapin is typically too lean.

00:40:55.000 Yeah, it's interesting.

00:40:57.000 Leaner than chicken, I guess?

00:40:58.000 Yes. 1.00

00:40:59.000 Yeah, well, those little fuckers are just running all the time. 1.00

00:41:02.000 I found it interesting. 0.99

00:41:03.000 On a ketogenic diet, I was up around 200 grams of protein when I first started it, and I was just dropping fat like crazy.

00:41:10.000 Just dropping weight.

00:41:11.000 Wait a minute.

00:41:12.000 That's not a ketogenic diet.

00:41:13.000 200 grams of protein?

00:41:14.000 No, of fat.

00:41:15.000 Oh, fat.

00:41:16.000 You said protein.

00:41:16.000 Yeah, 200 grams of fat, and I was dropping fat like crazy.

00:41:24.000 But then it came to a point where it stopped.

00:41:27.000 I think that's what everybody needs to know.

00:41:29.000 On any of these diets, they eventually plateau or stop, and then you have to sort of figure out how to get around that roadblock and continue to lose more weight or do whatever you're trying to do.

00:41:38.000 Well, with some people, just too much protein knocks you out of ketosis because your body takes too much protein and reverts it to glucose.

00:41:44.000 I think that's a lot.

00:41:46.000 I think it's overstated a lot, though.

00:41:48.000 Is it?

00:41:48.000 I mean, I think, like, if you have a couple grams over, you're not going to be in trouble.

00:41:52.000 But if you're eating 500 grams of protein or something crazy or even, like, 300 grams of protein, you know, after a while, you're going to get to too much and you're going to have that problem.

00:42:01.000 But I feel like for most people, that's not going to be the main issue, you know?

00:42:04.000 For me, it's inflammation.

00:42:07.000 The big difference is when I eat a lot of carbs, if I go off the rails and I'll cheat and have pasta or bread or something like that, I experience more inflammation.

00:42:16.000 I experience more soreness in my joints.

00:42:20.000 You get more fatigue.

00:42:21.000 You get tired.

00:42:23.000 You get that insulin crash.

00:42:25.000 You get all those big factors that I just don't get when I eat clean.

00:42:29.000 When I eat just meat and Salad and vegetables and high fat diet and low carb, my body is just way more efficient.

00:42:38.000 It feels better.

00:42:40.000 And the big thing that I keep trying to stress to people is you don't need a nap. 0.99

00:42:44.000 That fucking afternoon nap, which I just thought is something you need. 0.99

00:42:47.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:42:48.000 All that is is just your body recovering from lunch.

00:42:51.000 Yeah, from carbs. 1.00

00:42:52.000 Yeah, your fucking carbs at lunch. 1.00

00:42:53.000 If you don't have that, the day is much more efficient. 1.00

00:42:56.000 I get more done.

00:42:57.000 I have more energy.

00:42:59.000 You know, it's like when people say, how do you do all these podcasts, two podcasts a day?

00:43:02.000 Like, no, I eat good.

00:43:04.000 Eat good, and it's not hard.

00:43:05.000 It's not hard.

00:43:06.000 Your brain is functioning all day long.

00:43:08.000 But, man, if I stopped... 0.99

00:43:10.000 At noon and had a fucking pizza and then tried to do a podcast, I'd be here like going, oh, is this done yet? 0.99

00:43:16.000 I need to sleep. 1.00

00:43:17.000 Yeah, you just get tired.

00:43:18.000 Yeah, you get exhausted.

00:43:18.000 We've been doing this diet since the mid-90s.

00:43:21.000 Since like 1993, I think it was, around the time we kind of started.

00:43:25.000 We've been doing them on and off for a long time, and more recently I used it to drop 70 pounds.

00:43:30.000 But I think...

00:43:31.000 One of the things with keto that I noticed was it almost doesn't really matter that I'm in ketosis all the time.

00:43:38.000 I think the effort to be in ketosis, I think, is important by getting rid of a lot of the carbohydrates that you have, the effort to kind of eat a little bit more fat.

00:43:46.000 But what I've noticed is I don't think I need to really go out of my way to eat tons and tons of fat.

00:43:51.000 I don't need to be dumping tons of MCT oil on stuff.

00:43:54.000 I don't need to...

00:43:55.000 There's enough fat usually in the steaks that I'm eating.

00:43:58.000 A lot of times I get ribeye.

00:44:00.000 Sometimes I eat bacon, eggs, things like that.

00:44:02.000 I put up on my Instagram the other day about seven or eight foods that I thought if you just stuck to these seven or eight foods for a handful of days, you would lose a lot of weight.

00:44:11.000 And the response was amazing. 0.93

00:44:14.000 People were writing back and they're like, holy shit, man, I'd lost 10 pounds. 0.90

00:44:17.000 Well, a lot of people do lose weight off keto. 0.97

00:44:19.000 There's no doubt about that.

00:44:20.000 But even Mark Sisson, who was one that got me into it, Mark goes on and off, and he thinks there's some benefit to going on and off.

00:44:28.000 Yeah, I don't think you have to be in ketosis all the time.

00:44:31.000 Yeah, but even when you go off, you're not switching your diet to spaghetti. 0.99

00:44:36.000 You're not eating fucking Wonder Bread and shit like that. 0.99

00:44:39.000 You would love it if you switched to spaghetti, right? 1.00

00:44:41.000 That's your thing.

00:44:42.000 Pasta?

00:44:42.000 Well, I like it.

00:44:43.000 I like it when I cheat, but I don't like the effect on my body, for sure.

00:44:46.000 I just like the taste of it.

00:44:48.000 Like, linguine with clams is one of my favorite things to eat, but The way I feel afterwards is not my favorite feeling.

00:44:54.000 How about bread and butter?

00:44:54.000 Why is that so good?

00:44:56.000 Why is that so good?

00:44:57.000 It's amazing.

00:44:57.000 It's so good.

00:44:57.000 Well, you know, people out in California, they don't even know.

00:45:00.000 We always talk about this.

00:45:01.000 Hard rolls.

00:45:01.000 You used to go get a buttered roll in the morning.

00:45:03.000 We grew up in New York, so you go get a buttered roll.

00:45:06.000 Bagel?

00:45:07.000 Bagel with butter?

00:45:07.000 Yeah, it was the best thing ever.

00:45:09.000 And out here, they don't have them, thank God.

00:45:11.000 I'm actually glad they don't have them out yet. 0.95

00:45:12.000 You know what I've had that I fucking love? 0.82

00:45:14.000 Sourdough bread with grass-fed butter and honey. 0.99

00:45:18.000 Oh, my God.

00:45:18.000 Oh, man.

00:45:19.000 Sourdough.

00:45:19.000 Sourdough is really good.

00:45:20.000 But honey on top of the butter.

00:45:22.000 Oh, Jesus.

00:45:24.000 With all this ketogenic...

00:45:26.000 That sounds amazing.

00:45:26.000 With all this keto stuff going on, I've been wondering when somebody's going to make some bread.

00:45:31.000 Like, figure out...

00:45:31.000 They have.

00:45:32.000 No foods.

00:45:32.000 Yeah, it's terrible, though.

00:45:33.000 It's not that bad.

00:45:34.000 No foods is good.

00:45:35.000 I like their bread.

00:45:36.000 I make egg sandwiches with their bread.

00:45:37.000 Oh, the no foods.

00:45:37.000 I haven't tried that one.

00:45:38.000 I haven't tried that one yet.

00:45:40.000 They make a lot of good stuff.

00:45:41.000 I know they just came out.

00:45:42.000 Yeah, I've tried the waffles. 0.99

00:45:43.000 They're fucking good. 0.97

00:45:44.000 The donuts and stuff like that, but I think a lot of those things for me, they have way too many carbohydrates for me. 0.99

00:45:50.000 They do.

00:45:50.000 Way too many.

00:45:51.000 But I think, isn't there something about the type of carbs they have?

00:45:54.000 They have fibers in them usually.

00:45:56.000 They don't raise your blood level, blood sugar level.

00:46:00.000 Yeah.

00:46:00.000 Well, you know, I don't want to eat regular waffles on a regular basis, but if I'm going to cheat and I eat what they have, you know, and they also have a very low sugar syrup, too, that tastes very good with some butter.

00:46:13.000 It's just, it's the best option if you're going to do something like that.

00:46:18.000 Exactly.

00:46:19.000 Mostly eat real foods.

00:46:20.000 I feel better when I eat meat and vegetables.

00:46:25.000 I had Jordan Peterson on, and he had some pretty serious autoimmune disorders, and his body was really in trouble.

00:46:31.000 And his daughter had similar problems, and his daughter went to essentially a diet of just meat and greens.

00:46:38.000 And now I think she's on a carnivore diet, and she's got an Instagram page too documenting it. 1.00

00:46:44.000 But he went to meat and greens, lost a shit ton of weight, was losing, I think he said he was losing, what did he say, like seven pounds a month for something like, something along those lines.

00:46:54.000 Lost a ton of weight and looks great.

00:46:56.000 He said he's thinner than he's been in 25 years.

00:46:59.000 Feels great.

00:46:59.000 All his autoimmune issues were done.

00:47:01.000 I think a lot of what people are dealing with is inflammation that's caused by too much processed carbohydrates, too much simple refined carbohydrates and sugars.

00:47:11.000 And the inflammation leads to So if you look at what they call the five scourges of health, they are obesity, cancer, cognitive decline, heart disease, and diabetes.

00:47:22.000 Those are all metabolic.

00:47:23.000 Those are all things that we get through food.

00:47:26.000 And over half the people that are in the hospital today, right now in the United States, are in there for metabolic issues.

00:47:33.000 So that's crazy.

00:47:34.000 It is crazy.

00:47:35.000 So more than half of the people that are in the hospital are there because of what they ate.

00:47:39.000 It is crazy.

00:47:40.000 And you see a direct correlation between the amount of refined sugars and carbohydrates human beings have adjusted and started eating to the rise in diabetes and heart disease and all these other issues.

00:47:51.000 And one of the things we were talking about before the podcast is...

00:47:54.000 Sorry, I went running today.

00:47:56.000 For some reason, I can't stop coughing.

00:47:58.000 People are dealing with...

00:48:01.000 A lot of various health issues, and they're always trying to pin one cause of these health issues.

00:48:10.000 And one of the real problems is when people develop these ideological answers, like veganism is one of them.

00:48:17.000 They do not want to think that there's anything healthy about meat and that what they do is the only way. 0.90

00:48:24.000 I'm watching this, there's a thread right now going on on Twitter between some cockamamie vegan doctor who's full of shit and all these people that are citing science and he is getting pissed off and he's showing his degree and photos of his degree. 0.99

00:48:36.000 They're like, look, motherfucker, there's real science to the fact that dietary cholesterol is necessary. 0.99

00:48:42.000 It's the building blocks for cells. 0.99

00:48:44.000 I mean, it literally is.

00:48:45.000 It's the reason why your body is converting it to all the sex hormones, cholesterol, saturated fat.

00:48:56.000 Your body processes that.

00:48:57.000 It's healthy for your brain.

00:48:59.000 It's healthy for your heart.

00:49:00.000 All these things are a fact.

00:49:01.000 He's not recognizing the fact that the issue is not saturated fat.

00:49:06.000 It's saturated fat in conjunction with all these other things.

00:49:09.000 And that's a problem with these studies.

00:49:11.000 One of the studies they did recently where they showed that people who ate meat more than five times a week were much more likely to have heart disease.

00:49:19.000 But that's not a good study because they didn't say, what are they eating the meat with?

00:49:22.000 What else are they doing?

00:49:23.000 What are you eating the meat with?

00:49:25.000 Are you eating it with bread?

00:49:26.000 Are you eating it as a burger?

00:49:29.000 Are you drinking a soda with it?

00:49:31.000 Like, this is not a good study. 0.99

00:49:33.000 A good study would be have someone, you know, get a large group of people, put them on a carnivore diet, have a large group of people, put them on a keto diet, have a large group of people, put them on a standard American diet, let them eat burgers and fries and chocolate shakes and sodas, and let's find out what the fuck it is. 0.93

00:49:49.000 Put people on a vegan diet. 0.99

00:49:50.000 I have had tons of friends, including Sam Harris, who was on a vegan diet, and his fucking blood sugar was off the charts. 0.99

00:49:56.000 He was trying to figure out how to stay healthy. 0.98

00:49:59.000 Like, he tried. 0.99

00:50:00.000 He tried it for a long time, but he felt like shit, and then he went and switched to fish, and he felt like shit just doing that too. 0.99

00:50:07.000 And then he went back to meat. 0.99

00:50:08.000 Now he's healthy again.

00:50:09.000 I think the answer always seems to come back to being in the middle somewhere, right?

00:50:13.000 Somewhere.

00:50:14.000 We veer off so far, and we're like, oh man, we got Doritos, and we got cookies, and we got all this stuff being thrown at us every single day, and it's convenient.

00:50:23.000 And then someone will say, okay, you know, no more carbs.

00:50:25.000 And you just go the complete opposite route.

00:50:28.000 And you end up with something like a carnivore diet.

00:50:30.000 But I think just, if you just sit there and think about stuff logically, it would make sense to me that you can overdo it on meat.

00:50:36.000 Like, I think you can overdo it on just about anything.

00:50:38.000 Yeah, that's why I lean towards balance, and that's why I like vegetables, but I can't talk you guys into that.

00:50:44.000 Yeah, I think your balance is probably ideal, but the balance of the average American is not great because I think they think they can just grab and reach for anything.

00:50:53.000 That's their level of balance.

00:50:54.000 Well, I think the average American is just trying to feed themselves.

00:50:58.000 They're hungry and they're tired.

00:51:00.000 And look, there's a great Henry Thoreau quote that most men live lives of quiet desperation.

00:51:07.000 And I think that applies to so many different things.

00:51:10.000 And one of them is work. 1.00

00:51:11.000 Most people are fucking working all day and they're sad and they feel like shit. 1.00

00:51:15.000 And when you get out of there, you're like, fucking Wendy's drive-thru. 1.00

00:51:18.000 Come on, baby! 1.00

00:51:20.000 Hit me up with one of them fucking double cheeseburgers. 0.99

00:51:23.000 Chocolate shake, please. 1.00

00:51:24.000 Woo! 0.99

00:51:25.000 They get a little reward, and then they feel even more shitty. 0.99

00:51:28.000 And then they crash, and they get up, and they do it all over again with a fucking Egg McMuffin and a cup of coffee with three scoops of sugar in it. 0.99

00:51:34.000 This is the roller coaster that most people are on. 0.99

00:51:37.000 And it all started with them going to bed too late because they stayed around and fucked around on their phone or watched TV. They went to bed too late. 0.98

00:51:45.000 They woke up later than they wanted.

00:51:46.000 They're tired because they didn't get the sleep they were supposed to get.

00:51:49.000 They drank the coffee, right?

00:51:51.000 And it just...

00:51:52.000 It's just one thing snowballing after another.

00:51:54.000 Now, what are you guys doing in this documentary?

00:51:56.000 What are you trying to document?

00:51:57.000 We're basically just going around interviewing people that are sort of in the know, that are writing these books, like Mark Sisson, Rob Wolf.

00:52:05.000 Those are some of the people that we interviewed.

00:52:07.000 And just asking them basic questions about diet and nutrition and sort of seeing where they stand.

00:52:15.000 And then we shot about 15 interviews right now.

00:52:19.000 And then it's my job to sort of figure out like, well, how does this all correlate together?

00:52:24.000 So we don't really have, I'd say it'd be disingenuous for me to come on and say, this is exactly what we're going to do, because I have no idea what it's going to be.

00:52:32.000 And I think that's the beauty of it.

00:52:34.000 When we shot bigger, stronger, faster, I had no clue how that was going to turn out.

00:52:38.000 And I think a lot of documentary filmmakers, they go in with like, here's the point I'm going to prove.

00:52:43.000 Let me find all the people and string them along and then figure out how they fit into the puzzle.

00:52:47.000 If they don't conveniently fit into my puzzle, they're out.

00:52:50.000 I don't know.

00:52:52.000 I developed a different way of doing it.

00:52:54.000 I just like to try to get as much information as I can and then think about it a lot and then put it in a way that makes sense to me.

00:53:01.000 So you're basically doing the opposite of a lot of these propaganda films.

00:53:05.000 Like this is one of the problems that I know a lot of people that have had heart disease or all these various issues.

00:53:09.000 They've paid attention to some of these propaganda films.

00:53:13.000 So there's a couple of vegan ones that are out there right now.

00:53:16.000 What the Health?

00:53:17.000 That's been widely dismissed.

00:53:20.000 By scientists and nutrition experts.

00:53:23.000 And I would love to interview him or any of the doctors that are involved in that because, you know, why not?

00:53:29.000 Let them speak their mind and let's hear what they have to say and then let's talk about it, you know?

00:53:36.000 And I think that's another interesting thing because the other thing I also feel is like the guy that made What the Health?

00:53:43.000 I just feel like he has good intentions also.

00:53:46.000 Yes.

00:53:46.000 Right?

00:53:46.000 I mean, he's not trying to kill people.

00:53:49.000 He's trying to help people just like I'm trying to help people.

00:53:53.000 So he's over here going like, this guy's trying to help people eat meat. 1.00

00:53:57.000 He's crazy. 0.82

00:53:58.000 The problem is I'm not doing that to him. 0.93

00:54:00.000 I think like there is a lot of benefits to a vegan diet.

00:54:03.000 There are a lot of people that could benefit from it.

00:54:05.000 Can everybody benefit from it?

00:54:06.000 I don't know.

00:54:07.000 There's a lot of things missing also.

00:54:09.000 So I definitely question it.

00:54:11.000 But I don't Shit all over it.

00:54:13.000 I don't think that's the way to help people.

00:54:14.000 The way to help people is to sort of bring them together and figure out what works.

00:54:18.000 I think it's very rare that people do it right.

00:54:19.000 I think if you do it right and you have, you know, some sort of B12 supplements, whether it is, you know, from, like, greens, like, what do they use at, what's that?

00:54:33.000 Algae greens.

00:54:34.000 Oh, yeah, the algae stuff that Dominic D'Agostino uses, right?

00:54:37.000 Yeah, there's a lot of that stuff that you can get your B vitamins from.

00:54:40.000 And if they're not opposed, I mean, some of the simplest organisms on the planet are mollusks.

00:54:45.000 You know, and I know that people think of them as animal life, but they're more primitive than plants.

00:54:51.000 I mean, there's certain clams and mollusks and things like that. 0.99

00:54:54.000 They don't feel fucking shit. 0.99

00:54:57.000 They're not suffering. 1.00

00:54:58.000 They literally don't have the capacity for pain.

00:55:00.000 And they're one of the more primitive life forms on Earth.

00:55:03.000 I mean, we deviated from them 600 million years ago or something like that.

00:55:06.000 They're barely an animal.

00:55:08.000 We can call them an animal.

00:55:09.000 But see, what we say is because they move, you know, because the clam closes its mouth, we've decided that that's a living thing.

00:55:17.000 Well, plants move, too.

00:55:18.000 I mean, you have the plant that eats the rats.

00:55:21.000 Yeah, that thing's awesome.

00:55:22.000 Or Venus flytraps.

00:55:23.000 But the thing is, Plants are far more complex in their ability to communicate and their ability to even express predation, pain, and protect themselves through various chemical means to protect themselves from predation.

00:55:36.000 They change the way they taste to keep from getting eaten.

00:55:39.000 And there's been studies also that if you just play the sound of a caterpillar eating leaves next to plants, they recognize that sound and they change their taste profile. 0.97

00:55:50.000 Which is just fucking crazy.

00:55:51.000 And those are chemicals like lectins, things like lectins and stuff that can be very damaging to people. 0.97

00:55:57.000 A lot of people don't know, but if you eat cucumbers and tomatoes and stuff like that, you're getting a lot of these lectins that a lot of people have adverse reactions to.

00:56:06.000 So a lot of people be eating a variety of vegetables in their diet and not understand why they still don't feel good.

00:56:13.000 They need to look into that.

00:56:14.000 They may have a lectin issue.

00:56:15.000 Yeah, it's entirely possible.

00:56:17.000 So a lot of people still don't know about it.

00:56:19.000 When we started this film, we were going to call it the War on Carbs.

00:56:22.000 That's what we were talking about, and that's what we've been talking about for quite a long time.

00:56:27.000 But as we started to go through the movie, we were like, oh, I don't know, War on Carbs, like maybe that's going to isolate and that's going to pigeonhole the movie into one style.

00:56:36.000 But as we started interviewing more and more people, we realized that the problem is carbs.

00:56:41.000 Yeah.

00:56:41.000 It's really a war on refined carbs and vegetable oils and sugars.

00:56:47.000 You know, sugar, which is a refined carb. 0.76

00:56:48.000 When you say carbs, we're talking about pizza, basically, and ice cream and all the excess things that people are eating.

00:56:53.000 Power-nots, saturated vegetable oils, refined carbohydrates, refined sugars.

00:56:57.000 And these are all a product of the modern world.

00:57:00.000 Modern industrialized world and food production.

00:57:03.000 They call the diseases Western diseases because they didn't used to have these diseases in other countries.

00:57:11.000 And then when we started exporting molasses and we started exporting rice and everything else we were exporting to these other countries that didn't have it, they all got sick.

00:57:20.000 They all started getting sick.

00:57:22.000 Their obesity rates went up, their diabetes rates went up.

00:57:25.000 And that's...

00:57:26.000 That's just proof right there that if you eat that stuff, you know, it will have those consequences.

00:57:31.000 Well, one of the great ways that I've seen someone talk about, I forget who it was that was discussing this, they were saying, look at human's teeth.

00:57:38.000 People did not suffer from the type of tooth decay they suffer from now.

00:57:41.000 What is that from?

00:57:42.000 Well, it's from refined carbohydrates and sugar.

00:57:44.000 That's what it is.

00:57:45.000 And especially sugary drinks.

00:57:47.000 Like, people were constantly drinking soda. 0.99

00:57:49.000 I mean, you were just fucking torturing your teeth. 0.99

00:57:52.000 You're just throwing acid on your teeth all day. 0.99

00:57:54.000 Yeah.

00:57:54.000 I can't believe I used to eat all that stuff when I look back.

00:57:57.000 Man, I used to eat all that.

00:57:59.000 Look forward to it too, right?

00:58:00.000 I guess I thought I felt okay, but I really didn't.

00:58:05.000 Thinking back on it, I'm like, I feel way better now, but back then I thought I was okay.

00:58:09.000 I thought I was doing a good job.

00:58:11.000 You didn't know any better.

00:58:12.000 Even doing a low-carb ketogenic diet, I was still eating a ton of vegetable oil and stuff like that.

00:58:19.000 What kind of vegetable are we eating?

00:58:20.000 Well, just like, okay, chicken wings, they don't have carbs in them, but they're deep fried, right?

00:58:24.000 Right.

00:58:24.000 It's terrible.

00:58:25.000 Oh, you're eating that, yeah.

00:58:26.000 I mean, just stuff like that, I'd say, that you still have in your diet and not know about.

00:58:30.000 I used to have, I was doing a low-carb diet, so I'd figure, okay, I'll make a big salad and I'll dump this dressing all over it and the dressing's full of soybean oil.

00:58:40.000 Oh, yeah.

00:58:41.000 Stuff like that.

00:58:41.000 You're not thinking about it.

00:58:42.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:58:44.000 So when you set out to do this, what was the motivation?

00:58:47.000 Just because your own, the health benefits that you found from adjusting your own diet?

00:58:51.000 I think just, yeah, I mean, I just like to help people.

00:58:54.000 You know, I like to make films that can help people find their way, find what's good for them or what works for them.

00:59:01.000 You know, they can take it or leave it.

00:59:03.000 I think this falls in the category of addiction, too, because the place that he came from where he was addicted to drugs and alcohol and he was able to overcome a lot of that, I think the ketogenic diet, I think without it, I think it would have been a lot harder.

00:59:17.000 I think the ketogenic diet played into it.

00:59:21.000 I did a ketogenic diet in rehab.

00:59:24.000 So when I got to rehab, I was like, I'm not eating carbs.

00:59:27.000 Like, that's it.

00:59:28.000 But why?

00:59:28.000 Why did that help you?

00:59:29.000 It helps with your cognitive function.

00:59:31.000 It helps your brain.

00:59:34.000 It helps your brain work better.

00:59:36.000 And so when I went to rehab, you know, I was about 245 pounds, and I came out at like 215 from doing a keto diet, and I started training again a little bit.

00:59:46.000 But I was still very sick, and I was very, like, I was messed up at that time.

00:59:50.000 Like, I wasn't right mentally or physically.

00:59:53.000 I was just broken, you know, and I was ready for a change.

00:59:56.000 And so, you know, it was very humbling.

00:59:59.000 You know, it still is, actually, to even talk about it.

01:00:01.000 So...

01:00:03.000 Getting knocked down a little bit helped me.

01:00:05.000 It also helped me to start back over and start back over with a better head on my shoulders, you know?

01:00:11.000 Because I used to think I knew everything, and now I think I know nothing.

01:00:14.000 And I think that that's important because I have this white belt mentality now that I use on everything. 0.89

01:00:19.000 And I actually got that from talking to Fabricio Verdum because he was always learning, always thinking he was learning, right?

01:00:25.000 And so I asked him one time, I was talking about something, and he said, yeah, I have a white belt mentality towards everything.

01:00:30.000 And I think I've heard you talk about that as well.

01:00:32.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:00:32.000 And I think that's important, though, because we think we know everything and we start preaching all this stuff.

01:00:38.000 And then I turned around and go, wow, I really don't know what I'm talking about a lot of times.

01:00:42.000 I really better think about what I say more.

01:00:44.000 And even now, I'm just a lot more careful about making absolute statements.

01:00:47.000 I don't make any more absolute statements or things like that, because you want to be sure that you're conveying the right information to people.

01:00:53.000 What were you saying before the podcast started?

01:00:55.000 You were going to bring it up again about veganism coming from a religion.

01:00:58.000 Yeah, veganism started with the Seventh Adventist Church, I believe.

01:01:04.000 So there was a group of people that had a church, and the guy that led the church as part of the church was like, you know, they were following the Jewish kosher laws or whatever at first, and it was like no pigs or whatever else, shellfish,

01:01:19.000 I think.

01:01:20.000 No pigs or shellfish.

01:01:21.000 And then the guy just said, like...

01:01:23.000 It just sort of took it to a next level and said, like, no meat, no animal products at all.

01:01:27.000 And so these people that were in this church were like the first real group of vegans.

01:01:32.000 The Church of Seventh Adventist, I think, is what it's called.

01:01:36.000 It's where it came from, like, 1863 is when that, like, movement, I guess, started.

01:01:40.000 I'm sure people were doing it earlier than that, obviously, but I think that that's where the roots came in.

01:01:46.000 And I just find that really interesting because it does seem like a religion.

01:01:50.000 It seems like...

01:01:52.000 It seems like a lot of times you get – I get called out a lot on Instagram and stuff like that from people that are vegan saying, like, I can't believe you do this and blah, blah.

01:02:01.000 But I would never go on their page and say anything to them at all.

01:02:04.000 Well, they're proselytizing.

01:02:06.000 I mean, that's a big part of this whole community is there's a moral high ground.

01:02:10.000 They stand on it.

01:02:11.000 And then a lot of these people, especially people with vegan in their name and their screen name, they always go after people.

01:02:17.000 And they try to shame people.

01:02:22.000 In many ways is a very good thing.

01:02:25.000 They're not participating in factoring farming, right? 0.99

01:02:27.000 They're not participating in the horrors that we see in these fucking PETA videos where you see Cows and pigs and chickens are just being tortured all that fuck that is disgusting and that should be eliminated and shouldn't be a part of modern culture But in terms of like the humane raising and killing of animals Look, 0.99

01:02:45.000 they're not going to live forever. 1.00

01:02:47.000 And I don't care what you say.

01:02:48.000 I'm not into animal suffering.

01:02:50.000 I don't think they should suffer. 0.99

01:02:51.000 But if you try to say that people are not herbivores, or that people are herbivores, rather, and that we're not omnivores, you're crazy. 0.91

01:02:57.000 It's just not true.

01:02:58.000 It's not fact.

01:02:58.000 And they show a picture.

01:02:59.000 These are not the teeth of a carnivore.

01:03:02.000 These are the teeth. 1.00

01:03:02.000 We're not carnivores, stupid. 1.00

01:03:04.000 We're omnivores. 1.00

01:03:05.000 They show you the intestines and everything. 1.00

01:03:07.000 Yeah, we look real similar in our teeth to fucking chimps. 1.00

01:03:10.000 Chimps are omnivores. 1.00

01:03:12.000 And...

01:03:13.000 The human diet is a very complex thing.

01:03:15.000 When you attach that human diet to ideology, then it gets really screwy because you're not dealing with people that are being honest about dietary requirements, how your body functions, what the studies show. 0.99

01:03:32.000 If you look at it objectively, the objective, the first thing anybody should say, first thing across the board, get rid of all the fucking sugar. 0.99

01:03:39.000 That's number one. 1.00

01:03:40.000 Get rid of all the refined carbohydrates.

01:03:43.000 Eat more vegetables.

01:03:44.000 I think.

01:03:44.000 You guys don't.

01:03:45.000 Eat more vegetables.

01:03:46.000 Eat healthy fats.

01:03:48.000 Get some form of omega fatty acids.

01:03:51.000 Recognize that the omega fatty acids you get from flaxseed oil are not as bioavailable.

01:03:56.000 It's a fact from studies.

01:03:59.000 Not as bioavailable as the omega fatty acids you get from fish and meat.

01:04:02.000 They're just not.

01:04:03.000 The meat, the protein.

01:04:04.000 You say, well, broccoli has 15 grams of protein. 0.99

01:04:07.000 It's not as bioavailable, you fucks. 0.99

01:04:09.000 And you know it's not. 0.99

01:04:10.000 It's just not.

01:04:10.000 Yeah.

01:04:11.000 So you can get bioavailable protein from plants.

01:04:15.000 You get it from hemp.

01:04:16.000 You get it from quinoa.

01:04:17.000 You get it from peas.

01:04:19.000 Pea protein is very good.

01:04:20.000 But it's not as good as the protein that you get from meat.

01:04:24.000 It's just not.

01:04:25.000 Can it sustain you?

01:04:26.000 Yes, it can. 0.99

01:04:27.000 Can you be a healthy person and live a fucking balanced life on a completely vegetarian diet? 0.99

01:04:32.000 100%. 0.99

01:04:32.000 But I would always recommend eat free-range eggs. 0.99

01:04:36.000 You're not hurting a chicken.

01:04:37.000 Nothing gets hurt.

01:04:38.000 It is free food.

01:04:40.000 I have chickens.

01:04:40.000 They roam around.

01:04:41.000 They eat vegetables.

01:04:42.000 Nobody eats them. 1.00

01:04:43.000 The chickens live a fucking healthy life. 1.00

01:04:45.000 They lay eggs. 1.00

01:04:46.000 We eat the eggs. 1.00

01:04:46.000 The eggs are healthy as fuck. 1.00

01:04:48.000 Eat those. 0.99

01:04:49.000 Find a place that has free-range chickens.

01:04:52.000 Eat the eggs.

01:04:53.000 I mean, it's not vegan, but it is vegetarian.

01:04:55.000 If you want to get rid of dairy and you don't want...

01:04:57.000 I get it, man.

01:04:58.000 I've seen dairy farms. 1.00

01:05:00.000 It's fucked up. 0.99

01:05:01.000 You see what they're doing to cows and the way they treat them and the way they raise them and just the whole idea behind it, like making them lactate. 1.00

01:05:09.000 The only time cows lactate is when they have a baby, right?

01:05:12.000 So they keep them in this state and it's just unnatural.

01:05:15.000 And that is a reality of dairy production.

01:05:19.000 And if you don't want to be a part of that, that's 100% noble.

01:05:22.000 But we have to be honest about nutrition requirements, not about the ideology of veganism.

01:05:28.000 And this is the problem with these people.

01:05:30.000 And so many of them, especially the ones with vegan attached to their identity, because they use the name, like, I'm Vegan Warrior, this is Vegan Prince, I'm the Vegan Defender. 1.00

01:05:40.000 They're fucking morons who joined a gang. 1.00

01:05:42.000 And what they do is they start eating plants, they start talking shit, and they go looking to just go after anybody who's not on the same page as them. 1.00

01:05:49.000 And the real problem is people that watch a movie like What the Health or something, and then think, well that, this is, oh my god, I'm killing myself by not being a vegan. 0.99

01:05:59.000 No, you need to...

01:06:00.000 Google what the health debunked and find out the actual science. 1.00

01:06:04.000 Because what they're talking about is bullshit. 0.99

01:06:06.000 They're not being honest. 1.00

01:06:07.000 What they've done is make a vegan proselytizing movie.

01:06:11.000 They're trying to get people to join in because that's what they do.

01:06:14.000 And a lot of these people...

01:06:16.000 They give up. 0.98

01:06:17.000 A lot of these people, they get to a point where their health can't take it anymore and they fucking give up. 0.98

01:06:20.000 Chris Kresser. 0.93

01:06:21.000 He's a perfect example.

01:06:22.000 Have you interviewed him for your film?

01:06:24.000 Not yet, but we will. 0.98

01:06:25.000 He's fucking brilliant. 0.99

01:06:26.000 And he was a macrobiotic vegan. 0.99

01:06:29.000 I mean, this guy was off the charts with veganism and eventually realized his body was falling apart and gave up on it.

01:06:34.000 There's some people that own that restaurant in California, in Hollywood.

01:06:39.000 What is it called?

01:06:40.000 Something Cafe?

01:06:42.000 Gratitude.

01:06:42.000 Thank you.

01:06:43.000 Cafe Gratitude?

01:06:44.000 Yeah, I know about that.

01:06:45.000 Yeah, these people were... 0.99

01:06:46.000 I mean, their fucking health was falling apart. 0.99

01:06:47.000 So they decided to raise their own cattle and eat their own meat. 1.00

01:06:50.000 And vegans found out they got death threats and people were fucking going after them. 0.99

01:06:55.000 Yes, man. 0.99

01:06:56.000 It was a terrifying thing for these people.

01:06:57.000 They're older folks and they have their own farm and they were raising their own farm animals and they decided to start eating them.

01:07:04.000 And when they made these posts about starting eating, these people went after them, man.

01:07:08.000 You know, it's not...

01:07:09.000 This is not kindness.

01:07:11.000 This is not someone who's compassionate. 1.00

01:07:13.000 These are fucking cunts that are in a gang. 1.00

01:07:16.000 And they're in the plant gang. 1.00

01:07:18.000 And I'm sure you've seen it by doing this carnivore diet thing.

01:07:22.000 If you do anything that's outside of that, they go after you.

01:07:27.000 Just so everybody knows, you keep mentioning, you're not going to talk us into liking vegetables or whatever.

01:07:33.000 I do eat vegetables.

01:07:36.000 Occasionally, if you have to.

01:07:37.000 Well, no, I would just say my ketogenic diet, before I went on the carnivore diet, We're good to go.

01:07:58.000 That's sort of what the switch was, and it's just an intervention for now.

01:08:02.000 I feel that I used to think that the best, healthiest diet for a human being would be a vegan diet with like three or four ounces of meat thrown in at every meal, you know, just to add.

01:08:13.000 The animal fat and animal protein.

01:08:14.000 I thought like that would be really smart.

01:08:16.000 Now I'm starting to think the opposite.

01:08:18.000 I think front-loading your body with the nutrients that it needs because our body's always in search for nutrients.

01:08:23.000 That's why we're hungry.

01:08:25.000 We're always searching for the nutrients that we need, the vitamins and minerals that we need and all the macronutrients we need.

01:08:30.000 If we front-load it first and give us a chunk of nice steak, your body's not hungry afterwards.

01:08:36.000 And I think that's what's happened to me where Now I'm sort of giving my body what it needs, and it's never asking for what it doesn't need.

01:08:44.000 I saw a comment the other day on one of those animal videos, one of those horrible factory farming videos, said, because of this video, I'm 60% vegan now with my diet.

01:08:55.000 Exactly. 0.98

01:08:56.000 What the fuck does that mean? 1.00

01:08:58.000 But that's the type of morons we're dealing with here. 1.00

01:09:00.000 People that are not looking at themselves or anything, honestly. 1.00

01:09:04.000 They're trying to stand on the moral high ground.

01:09:06.000 And if they know they eat meat, they can't.

01:09:09.000 So they say, well, I'm almost all vegan. 1.00

01:09:11.000 Well, okay, well, those poor little fucking cows you murder, they're 40% almost. 1.00

01:09:17.000 Everybody who eats a balanced diet is 60%. 1.00

01:09:20.000 Vegan. 0.95

01:09:21.000 That's ridiculous. 0.99

01:09:22.000 Exactly. 0.98

01:09:22.000 I mean, that's normal. 0.98

01:09:23.000 It's a ridiculous thing to say, but the problem is people, they're not just eating things, they're posturing, they're publicly posturing on their position on morals and ethics.

01:09:36.000 We see it all the time, yeah. 0.74

01:09:37.000 We see it in every aspect of fitness, we see it.

01:09:40.000 Oh, yeah.

01:09:40.000 You see it in all areas.

01:09:41.000 But I think there's also a difference between, you know, survival and there's a difference between performance.

01:09:47.000 And I think, you know, we're asking our bodies, all three of us at the table, we're asking our bodies to do some demanding things.

01:09:52.000 So I think in that case, like maybe we do need a little bit more meat, especially if meat is going to be kind of our main driver of our calories, then it kind of makes sense that we would need a little bit more of that than maybe your average person.

01:10:04.000 So what you said about the three ounces of meat every couple meals probably makes sense and probably be great for survival.

01:10:10.000 The other thing that's really interesting, though, is that even for those of us who have been trying to seek the truth and for those of us who have been trying to eat good and trying to train, it's not like you're like, oh, there's Joe Rogan, 150 years old. 0.99

01:10:23.000 Look at that fucking guy. 0.79

01:10:25.000 You're not insuring anything, right? 1.00

01:10:29.000 But you're trying to just live the life that you want to live the best way possible that you can live it. 0.99

01:10:34.000 Yeah, if I live to be 150, those last couple years are going to suck a fat guy. 0.98

01:10:39.000 Last couple. 0.84

01:10:40.000 Well, I mean, I'm not convinced that people won't in our lifetime. 0.99

01:10:44.000 I mean, with science and fucking stem cells. 0.97

01:10:47.000 I think they said right now, if you're born today, you have a chance of living to be 104. It's like the... 0.98

01:10:52.000 104? 1.00

01:10:52.000 I'm going to live to be 104, bitch. 1.00

01:10:54.000 If I don't get killed or hit by a car or hit by an asteroid or Yellowstone blows. 0.99

01:10:58.000 But the thing is, you and I and a lot of other people listening, we started 30, 40 years in.

01:11:02.000 You know what I mean?

01:11:02.000 We started too late.

01:11:03.000 I don't know when you started eating better, but I know that it wasn't your whole life, right?

01:11:07.000 No.

01:11:08.000 No, it wasn't my whole life.

01:11:09.000 I was certainly in a high, refined carbohydrate diet up until 10 years ago.

01:11:14.000 Yeah.

01:11:14.000 I mean, I've always been supplementing with vitamins, and I've been getting my blood work done for a couple decades now, but the real shift was switching to ketogenic.

01:11:28.000 Do you know where the shift came from me?

01:11:30.000 And you're probably not going to believe this.

01:11:32.000 The shift came for me after going to a show where I first met you.

01:11:35.000 The very time we first met, I don't know if you remember it, it was outside the Ice House in Pasadena.

01:11:41.000 And I came up to you and talked to you with Brian Callen and you were talking about diet. 0.99

01:11:45.000 And you were saying, man, I can't believe that people eat all this shit. 0.99

01:11:48.000 And like, you know, you say every town I go to, the first thing I do is look for the Whole Foods. 1.00

01:11:53.000 And I find the Whole Foods and I go get my food.

01:11:55.000 And I'm thinking, man, I travel all the time.

01:11:57.000 If Joe Rogan can do this, why am I not doing it?

01:12:00.000 Why am I being so lazy with my diet?

01:12:02.000 I'm so fat.

01:12:03.000 What's going on?

01:12:04.000 And that day actually really made me think about a lot, and I saw you as an inspiration.

01:12:09.000 Oh, that's cool, man.

01:12:10.000 And after that day, I started really digging into it a lot more.

01:12:13.000 Well, I spend a lot of time in hotels, so what I would do is I would show up at a place on Thursday, and I'd be there until Sunday, especially when I was doing comedy clubs on the road.

01:12:21.000 So I'd go to Whole Foods.

01:12:22.000 I'd stock up on kombucha.

01:12:24.000 I would get a bunch of healthy snacks, a bunch of raw almonds and things along those lines.

01:12:29.000 So that way I had something in my hotel room all the time.

01:12:31.000 So if I'm writing or getting done working out or something like that, I'm not eating candy bars. 0.98

01:12:36.000 I'm not raiding the hotel mini bar and eating bullshit. 0.96

01:12:39.000 That makes all the difference in the world, though. 0.97

01:12:41.000 And that's how I travel now, too.

01:12:42.000 I just have everything ready to go.

01:12:44.000 Yeah, bring yourself a big case of bottled water.

01:12:47.000 Make sure you've got stuff in your room that can sustain you.

01:12:51.000 And if you're carnivore, just bring some sardines in a can.

01:12:54.000 Yes, I do a lot of that.

01:12:55.000 I bring sardines.

01:12:56.000 I bring oysters.

01:12:58.000 I bring oysters with me.

01:12:59.000 You're not going to believe this.

01:13:00.000 My first sardine I've ever eaten was like two days ago, actually.

01:13:04.000 What?

01:13:04.000 So, because you guys talk about it so much, D'Agostino, we went and visited Dom D'Agostino and interviewed him.

01:13:10.000 He just kept talking about these sardines, so I'm like, finally, I gotta try it.

01:13:14.000 They taste just like tuna fish.

01:13:15.000 They're great.

01:13:16.000 Oh, they're great.

01:13:17.000 I can't believe How many of you never had sardines?

01:13:18.000 They're awesome.

01:13:19.000 They're great.

01:13:19.000 It sounds gross?

01:13:20.000 They sound gross, but I had them like about two weeks ago as well.

01:13:23.000 Maybe a month or two ago.

01:13:24.000 The Wild Planet ones?

01:13:26.000 Yeah, the Wild Planet.

01:13:27.000 They have some good stuff.

01:13:28.000 They also have mackerel and a bunch of other different things they sell.

01:13:31.000 I was used to the ones that my grandfather get where you like peel the can down and then it was like these little fish in there.

01:13:39.000 Those look too gross to me.

01:13:41.000 That's what I remember seeing as sardines.

01:13:43.000 They're good, man.

01:13:44.000 They're good.

01:13:44.000 I like sardines.

01:13:45.000 They're very healthy for you.

01:13:46.000 Well, one thing, though, I do have to say.

01:13:48.000 I was eating a can or two a day, and then I found arsenic in my blood.

01:13:53.000 That's right.

01:13:53.000 I heard that.

01:13:53.000 Yeah.

01:13:54.000 And then the doctor's like, just lay off that.

01:13:56.000 Let's do another test in a month.

01:13:58.000 And then it was gone.

01:13:59.000 And so it's just there's a lot of heavy metals in the water, and they're low on the...

01:14:05.000 In the ocean floor. 0.99

01:14:06.000 I mean, they're down there with all that shit. 0.98

01:14:09.000 Speaking of fish and stuff like that, I do think it's important for people to get some omega-3s in if they are going to try a carnivore diet. 0.99

01:14:15.000 And a way to do that is either eat the grass-fed beef or to add in some salmon.

01:14:19.000 So I add in salmon twice a week, usually just pokey or something like that.

01:14:23.000 Just eat it by itself.

01:14:25.000 What about oils?

01:14:26.000 What about just getting some fish oil and taking that in?

01:14:31.000 I like whole foods, and I like things in the whole food environment.

01:14:35.000 And the more I do research on things and look into it, the more I realize the whole foods are really where it's at.

01:14:40.000 So I don't know.

01:14:42.000 I mean, I'm sure there's a lot of studies on it and things like that, but I just feel like...

01:14:52.000 I don't know, so I don't use it.

01:14:54.000 Right.

01:15:03.000 But beef liver is the highest in nutrients.

01:15:05.000 You want to talk about a superfood.

01:15:07.000 It is like these true superfoods, but way more than quinoa.

01:15:11.000 I mean, there's so many nutrients in beef liver, but I don't like it.

01:15:14.000 So I take beef liver tablets or capsules or whatever.

01:15:17.000 Oh, I love liver.

01:15:18.000 And those taste gross.

01:15:19.000 You don't like it? 0.78

01:15:19.000 I don't know that I don't like it. 0.78

01:15:21.000 I don't know how to cook it, so I've never actually made it.

01:15:23.000 All you do is take a dusting of ketogenic flour, like almond flour, something like that, put it on there and fry it in butter.

01:15:32.000 Just fry it.

01:15:33.000 Really?

01:15:33.000 Yep.

01:15:33.000 Slice that baby up thin.

01:15:35.000 Fry it with onions.

01:15:35.000 Do you like onions?

01:15:36.000 You're going to see a YouTube video then.

01:15:38.000 Dude, I got some elk liver if you want to try that. 0.97

01:15:41.000 That'll fucking, if you think beef liver's strong, you take elk liver, you're like, yo! 0.97

01:15:46.000 I had some liverwurst, and I thought it was pretty good. 0.99

01:15:49.000 Well, yeah.

01:15:49.000 That's a different thing.

01:15:50.000 I thought it was pretty good.

01:15:51.000 It's good for you, too, though.

01:15:52.000 Your buddy, Kyle Kingsbury, he recommended the liverwurst, and I didn't want to do it.

01:15:58.000 It's good.

01:15:59.000 But that's just mixed in with other stuff or something, right?

01:16:01.000 It's really good.

01:16:02.000 I don't know.

01:16:03.000 It's in liverwurst.

01:16:04.000 That's a good question.

01:16:05.000 It's liver and kidneys and hearts.

01:16:07.000 Let's find out.

01:16:08.000 Well, all those things are great.

01:16:09.000 Organ meat is the best meat for you and liver in particular.

01:16:12.000 That's why wolves, when the alpha is established in the pack, the alpha will always eat the wolf or eat the liver first.

01:16:20.000 There was this crazy thing that this guy was doing where he was living with wolves.

01:16:25.000 And he had established himself as the alpha in the pack.

01:16:28.000 And one of the ways he would do that, they would have a kill, and he would plant a liver inside the kill.

01:16:33.000 And then he would eat the liver and growl at all the other wolves.

01:16:36.000 He would let them go because he's got the liver.

01:16:38.000 But then he had to leave in order to help someone else.

01:16:44.000 This guy had a farm that was being attacked by wolves, and so he set up some speakers and had some other wolves howl and essentially tried to convince these wolves that were killing these guys' animals that a new pack had been in town. 0.99

01:16:58.000 And with these big speakers, these other wolves were like, holy shit, there's a lot of fucking wolves here. 0.99

01:17:01.000 Let's get out of here. 0.99

01:17:03.000 And it literally worked, but he was gone for a while, I think for a couple months. 1.00

01:17:06.000 And when he came back, the other wolves were like, fuck you, motherfucker. 1.00

01:17:09.000 We're the alpha now. 1.00

01:17:10.000 And he almost got killed by these wolves.

01:17:12.000 It's terrifying to watch him whimpering in front of these wolves while these wolves are like inches away from him with their teeth. 1.00

01:17:19.000 Like big fucking wolves, man. 0.99

01:17:21.000 Why did the guy do that? 0.99

01:17:22.000 Well, he was doing studies on wolves, and they were all contained in this large, fenced-in area, which is also highly criticized, because there's some videos on YouTube that you can see of these wolves attacking this one beta wolf.

01:17:36.000 And one of the reasons why that behavior is so accentuated is the fact that they are contained in a very small area.

01:17:41.000 I mean, it's big in that it's a few acres, but it's small in terms of what a wolf's natural roaming would be.

01:17:47.000 They do say that animals tend to go for...

01:17:50.000 The liver.

01:17:51.000 They know about it.

01:17:52.000 So if you look at salmon, there'd be a bunch of salmon in a river and there'd be a big chunk taken out of them, but the rest of the body would be there.

01:18:00.000 And the reason was a bear would just basically rip out its liver.

01:18:03.000 And that's what it was after.

01:18:05.000 That's when it's like they're in full surplus.

01:18:07.000 There's salmon everywhere.

01:18:08.000 And it would go get four or five livers because it wanted to eat that.

01:18:11.000 So it's like looking at the salmon almost like an egg, and that's the egg yolk.

01:18:16.000 That's fascinating.

01:18:16.000 That's the important part.

01:18:17.000 Yeah, most animals, like most predatory animals, they go for the guts first.

01:18:21.000 It's really weird.

01:18:22.000 Yeah, and back in the day, I think, when they used to kill things, they would say that even human beings would eat all the organs first.

01:18:29.000 Oh, yeah. 0.98

01:18:29.000 I mean, organ meat, kidney pie, and shit like that. 0.98

01:18:32.000 But they didn't know they were doing it for nutrition. 0.98

01:18:34.000 They just didn't want to waste anything.

01:18:36.000 Yeah, I think you're right.

01:18:37.000 The heart's great, too.

01:18:39.000 I got some elk heart if you want to try that.

01:18:40.000 And then it probably went with what tasted better, right?

01:18:42.000 Like, eventually, you know, if the heart tasted great, they'd be like, yeah, let's...

01:18:46.000 Yeah, the heart doesn't taste the best.

01:18:48.000 The best is, like, the backstrap, which is the loins or the tender loins, you know, which is the inside.

01:18:54.000 That stuff is the most tender, and a lot of people feel like it's the best.

01:18:58.000 Some people, like in a cow, they like a New York strip.

01:19:00.000 It's got a more richer taste, but most people don't find the liver to taste the best, but it's just because it's a strong flavor.

01:19:08.000 I don't know.

01:19:09.000 I've always liked it.

01:19:10.000 I've always liked liver and onions.

01:19:11.000 The beef liver, desiccated beef liver capsules actually taste like a fart. 0.99

01:19:16.000 What the fuck does that mean? 0.99

01:19:17.000 When you burp? 0.99

01:19:19.000 No, just when you take them.

01:19:21.000 You can drink as much water as you want.

01:19:23.000 You're always going to get that little, like, oof. 0.83

01:19:25.000 Well, you taste like a fart.

01:19:27.000 When you eat the meat, it doesn't taste like that.

01:19:30.000 When you eat the meat of the liver, it doesn't taste that bad.

01:19:33.000 I don't think your diet should be high in farts.

01:19:36.000 Chris Kresser is a big proponent of organ meat.

01:19:39.000 He had a bunch of autoimmune issues as well.

01:19:42.000 He said that eating liver and heart and kidneys and stuff like that, all that stuff really helped him tremendously.

01:19:48.000 I wish I liked liverwurst more.

01:19:52.000 I don't like it that much.

01:19:53.000 Force yourself to eat it, man.

01:19:54.000 Force yourself to eat cow's liver. 0.99

01:19:56.000 The problem is you're getting calves' liver most of the time, which is kind of fucked up. 0.99

01:19:59.000 I think, though, you're right. 0.90

01:20:01.000 If you do force yourself to eat it, you end up actually liking it a lot.

01:20:04.000 You can eat it in a place that cooks it well.

01:20:07.000 If you go to a really good restaurant that serves liver and onions, a good restaurant that serves it, it's delicious.

01:20:13.000 You've got to find someone who knows how to prepare it properly.

01:20:15.000 Do you teach your kids to eat healthy or is it just kind of like they just watch and they kind of pick off of some of the stuff?

01:20:20.000 My kids eat everything.

01:20:21.000 It's really unusual.

01:20:22.000 They've been eating from the time they were really little.

01:20:25.000 I started hunting in 2012. So for the last six years they've been eating wild game.

01:20:31.000 So from the time they were little.

01:20:33.000 Like my seven-year-old, she doesn't know anything different.

01:20:35.000 She's eaten beef, for sure.

01:20:37.000 She eats hot dogs and normal stuff that kids eat, but she's been eating elk and bear and deer and, you know, moose her whole life.

01:20:46.000 She's eaten wild turkey.

01:20:47.000 She's eaten, like, basically all the different things that people hunt for, she's eaten since she was a little kid.

01:20:52.000 You guys talk about nutrition at all?

01:20:54.000 Yes, yes.

01:20:55.000 The other thing that my kids eat that's really spectacular to watch is they love kimchi, especially my youngest.

01:21:02.000 She loves probiotics, which is crazy.

01:21:04.000 Yeah, we give them probiotics in supplements.

01:21:06.000 We give them probiotics in terms of yogurt and acidophilus and these little Bio-K formulas that are pretty rich.

01:21:14.000 And they taste pretty good, too.

01:21:16.000 There's some sugar in there, unfortunately.

01:21:18.000 But getting your kids into really healthy probiotic foods, it's interesting.

01:21:24.000 What's interesting is how quickly they snap back from colds.

01:21:27.000 How resistant they are to them and how quickly they snap back for them because they have this healthy biome, this healthy immune system.

01:21:34.000 Kimchi is one of my favorite.

01:21:35.000 I had some kimchi today.

01:21:36.000 I eat it almost every day.

01:21:38.000 There's a company called Mother-in-Law's Kimchi.

01:21:41.000 It's my favorite.

01:21:42.000 And I'll buy like five jars at a time. 0.99

01:21:45.000 And I go through those fuckers in like two weeks. 0.99

01:21:47.000 You just eat it by itself? 1.00

01:21:48.000 I eat kimchi with meat most of the time.

01:21:50.000 I'll slice meat and put kimchi on it and eat the two of them together. 0.99

01:21:53.000 Don't people bury that shit like in their backyard or something like that? 1.00

01:21:55.000 The Koreans do. 1.00

01:21:56.000 Yeah, they make a pot and it ferments and they're buried in their backyard.

01:21:59.000 It's really good for your gut microbiome.

01:22:01.000 And the more we find out about that, that's why I was saying like what I'm doing is an intervention.

01:22:05.000 I'm not going to just eat meat forever.

01:22:07.000 Right.

01:22:08.000 Because the next step for me is once I get to the point where I feel like I'm lean enough to where I want to be, I still want to lose about 10 pounds.

01:22:17.000 Do you really?

01:22:18.000 Yeah, I You look pretty lean.

01:22:19.000 I still have a lot of belly fat that's been around from drinking every day for years, you know? 0.97

01:22:24.000 So the upper abs come in, but then the lower abs are still, you know, so we got to tighten that shit up. 0.84

01:22:30.000 Other than Peter Luger going off the rails, I've been on a strict diet for two weeks, and I've lost five pounds.

01:22:34.000 What's your diet?

01:22:35.000 Mostly just meat and vegetables.

01:22:38.000 That's mostly it.

01:22:39.000 Any sort of rhyme or reason, or you just eat as much as you want when you want, or...

01:22:43.000 I got a little fat.

01:22:44.000 I got up to about 200, and that's when I'm fat.

01:22:48.000 And I like to be, like right now, I was 194 after my run, so I'm probably like 196. That's amazing.

01:22:54.000 We weigh the same exact weight, 194 this morning. 0.99

01:22:56.000 Damn. 0.99

01:22:57.000 Just became best friends. 1.00

01:22:58.000 Oh my God!

01:22:59.000 Did we just become best friends?

01:23:00.000 Yeah!

01:23:00.000 I like to be, I think, if I'm shredded, I'm down at about 192. That's when I think I'm really...

01:23:07.000 So I think I could lose another four pounds.

01:23:09.000 I think being mindful is a key factor.

01:23:11.000 You're like, oh, I'm getting fat.

01:23:13.000 Hold yourself to a standard.

01:23:14.000 I tell people all the time, try to be made of something different.

01:23:17.000 The only way I know how to build up any self-esteem or build up self-respect or any of these things is through training or through diet.

01:23:26.000 I can't really do it through a business meeting.

01:23:28.000 I can't do it just through reading a book.

01:23:30.000 You can get motivated by watching a YouTube video or something, but that lasts you a couple hours.

01:23:35.000 Maybe it lasts you for the week.

01:23:36.000 Maybe it helps point in the right direction, which is cool.

01:23:39.000 Well, the thing about it for martial arts, especially for striking, is when you lose weight, you move faster. 0.97

01:23:44.000 It's like if I went out there and hit the bag and I put a 40-pound weight vest on, strapped that fucker in, I would feel slower. 0.98

01:23:51.000 I mean, I just would. 0.99

01:23:52.000 There's no way around it.

01:23:54.000 Well, even 10 pounds makes a difference.

01:23:56.000 When I used to fight, one of the things that I noticed when I would get down close to my weight class is I just moved quicker.

01:24:01.000 Because I was carrying around less weight.

01:24:02.000 I felt like it was less to move around.

01:24:05.000 My muscles are essentially as strong.

01:24:07.000 I probably lost a little bit of muscle when you lose weight, but most of it was there.

01:24:12.000 But my body weight was down several pounds, and I would just move quicker.

01:24:18.000 It must be tough as a fighter to gauge that, too, though, like when you lose too much.

01:24:21.000 Maybe you almost want to avoid food to feel faster.

01:24:24.000 You see that with a lot of UFC fighters.

01:24:26.000 When they get down too low in weight, they just can't perform properly.

01:24:31.000 And I think there's a real issue with MMA, and that issue is there's not enough weight classes.

01:24:36.000 I feel very, very strongly about this.

01:24:39.000 I think there's giant gaps. 0.95

01:24:41.000 Like, 185 to 205 drives me fucking crazy. 0.52

01:24:44.000 It's a 20-pound gap. 0.64

01:24:46.000 That's a tough area, too, because guys can be so muscular at that weight or skinny.

01:24:51.000 It doesn't depend on how tall they are or whatever.

01:24:54.000 But it's really like, what is your optimal?

01:24:56.000 And the idea that people would fit in between that 20-pound optimal, either this way or that way, is crazy.

01:25:01.000 Because those 205 guys, a lot of them could be heavyweight.

01:25:04.000 It's like Jon Jones.

01:25:05.000 Jon Jones could be the heavyweight champion of the world.

01:25:08.000 100%.

01:25:08.000 No doubt about it.

01:25:09.000 He's a savage. 1.00

01:25:10.000 No fucking doubt about it. 0.99

01:25:11.000 Yet, he still weighs 205 when he fights, and he doesn't have a hard time making that weight. 0.98

01:25:15.000 Now, if you're a guy like...

01:25:17.000 Say, Hector Lombard, who's fought at 170 and just really packs a lot of meat on, and he fights at 185. You know, when he fights at 185, he's also fought at 205 before, I believe.

01:25:29.000 If he decided to fight at 205 and John Jones decides to fight at 205, I mean, Hector's my height, and John Jones towers over me.

01:25:38.000 So you're looking at just a totally different body size.

01:25:40.000 Totally different frame.

01:25:42.000 That 20 pounds is too much, man.

01:25:44.000 And then from 205 to heavyweight, you could get some Brock Lesnar motherfucker or Francis Ngannou who has to cut weight to make 265. Francis is even more impressive, right? 0.53

01:25:54.000 Because he's natural.

01:25:55.000 I mean, he's not even barely lifting weights. 0.98

01:25:58.000 I mean, that guy's just a fucking gigantic super athlete. 0.89

01:26:02.000 So that guy doesn't really lift? 0.98

01:26:03.000 No.

01:26:04.000 He's huge. 1.00

01:26:04.000 He got that big from working in a fucking sand mine. 1.00

01:26:08.000 Oh my god. 0.99

01:26:09.000 I mean, he literally is like Conan the Barbarian from the Robert E. Howard novels.

01:26:13.000 Is he Nigerian?

01:26:14.000 He is from Cameroon, I believe, right?

01:26:17.000 I think that's where he's from. 0.91

01:26:19.000 There's videos of him on his Instagram from yesterday of him back in the same sand mine, and he's wearing his fucking Reebok jersey with his name on the back of it, digging sand with all the guys he used to work with. 0.98

01:26:33.000 It's fucking crazy, but that is hard labor. 0.98

01:26:38.000 And there he is. 0.99

01:26:39.000 Do that all day? 1.00

01:26:40.000 Dig fucking sand all day? 1.00

01:26:42.000 You know how fucking strong you would be? 1.00

01:26:44.000 Just carrying 20 pound hunks of sand and shoving them onto the top of that Truck? 0.99

01:26:50.000 All day long?

01:26:51.000 He's so efficient. 0.97

01:26:51.000 He's a beast. 0.97

01:26:52.000 Well, he's got tremendous genetics. 0.97

01:26:55.000 His father is built like him, too.

01:26:57.000 There's a picture of him on his Instagram when he was three years old, standing next to his father.

01:27:01.000 And you look at his dad, you're like, oh, Jesus.

01:27:03.000 Like, the apple and the tree.

01:27:05.000 There they are, baby.

01:27:06.000 You think he's going to be pretty dangerous coming up?

01:27:08.000 Like...

01:27:09.000 The only issue with Francis is his wrestling and his endurance.

01:27:12.000 And this is just based on his fight with Stipe Miocic, who, in my opinion, is the best heavyweight ever.

01:27:17.000 He's great.

01:27:18.000 If you look at what Stipe has managed to do in his career, he's defended the title more than anybody.

01:27:22.000 He knocked out Fabrizio Verdun, who was one of the best ever.

01:27:25.000 He knocked out Alistair Overeem. 0.97

01:27:27.000 He beat Francis Ngannou, who everybody was fucking terrified of. 0.91

01:27:29.000 And Francis has been blowing everybody out of the water, including Alistair Overeem. 0.90

01:27:34.000 I just think, and knocked out Junior Dos Santos, also a former heavyweight champion, I think Stipe's the best of all time.

01:27:40.000 So when, you know, Stipe's able to beat you, and beat you by using his wrestling, and using his smarts, and using his octagon intelligence, and just his overall fight IQ, he just knows how to fight better.

01:27:51.000 He's just got more tools in the toolbox.

01:27:54.000 Francis can learn, and he's an incredible athlete, and what he has over everybody is power.

01:28:01.000 He has more power in his punch. 0.90

01:28:03.000 We have a machine out there called the Power Cube, and that machine, Francis registered the highest ever power punch by like 10,000 units, whatever the fuck that means.

01:28:12.000 So Tyrone Spong, who's a super powerful heavyweight boxer, he scored like 119, I think it was, or 114, and then Francis scored 129, 129,000.

01:28:24.000 You see it when he hits people.

01:28:26.000 And that's about what you kick, right? 0.97

01:28:27.000 You should kick a little bit more than that, so that's like getting kicked in the face. 0.79

01:28:31.000 I hold the record right now until somebody beats me. 0.99

01:28:34.000 There you go.

01:28:34.000 I hold the record, 152, 152 from a kick.

01:28:37.000 That's amazing.

01:28:37.000 But again, look at the size of my legs.

01:28:40.000 Of a leg, yeah.

01:28:40.000 Carrying around 196 pounds all day, running hills with 196 pounds.

01:28:44.000 Try doing fucking handstands and running up a hill with handstands. 0.99

01:28:49.000 You just can't. 1.00

01:28:49.000 Your arms are not that strong. 1.00

01:28:51.000 And also...

01:28:52.000 You know, I've been kicking my whole life.

01:28:54.000 He's really only been training MMA for five years.

01:28:56.000 Yeah.

01:28:56.000 So he's just...

01:28:57.000 He's fun to watch.

01:28:58.000 He's amazing to watch.

01:28:59.000 It's like an old Tyson fight.

01:29:01.000 Yeah.

01:29:01.000 Even the match, even the fight with Stipe was kind of scary because he just kept getting back up.

01:29:05.000 Oh, yeah.

01:29:06.000 It was like watching Mike Myers, like a horror movie or something.

01:29:09.000 Michael Myers or Freddy Krueger or something just kept coming back.

01:29:12.000 Doesn't have the wrestling experience, doesn't have the wrestling technique, but what he has is incredible heart and desire and he's very hungry to learn.

01:29:20.000 And I'm very hopeful that he's going to learn and I really, really hope that he incorporates a real rigorous wrestling program because that was one thing that was lacking from his last training camp when he fought for Stipe.

01:29:34.000 Yeah.

01:29:35.000 I think UFC needs a 300 and up club.

01:29:37.000 I think so.

01:29:38.000 You know, to have that weight class and then have them only fight for a minute and rest for like five minutes.

01:29:42.000 Well, the issue is there's not enough fighters.

01:29:45.000 There's not enough guys, you know, but...

01:29:48.000 Not enough big boys.

01:29:49.000 Yeah, maybe you just like put USADA on the back burner for above 265. Like, guys, listen, you can do whatever you want.

01:29:57.000 You know, I'm hopeful that Francis still, I mean, he's a little older in terms of, like, being this new to the sport at 33. You know, I mean, really didn't even start training until he was 28, which is kind of crazy.

01:30:13.000 He was homeless.

01:30:13.000 Yeah.

01:30:14.000 I mean, you want to talk about an amazing story that's like right out of a movie. 0.86

01:30:18.000 The guy was homeless, came from Africa where he worked in a fucking sand mine, and then gets to the number one contender spot in the UFC. But there's guys now, like Alexander Volkov. 0.97

01:30:34.000 Volkov.

01:30:37.000 The guy who just knocked out Fabricio Verdum.

01:30:41.000 He's...

01:30:42.000 This is a giant guy.

01:30:44.000 He's a huge...

01:30:45.000 I think he's 6'7".

01:30:47.000 Jeez.

01:30:48.000 Yeah, and incredibly skillful.

01:30:51.000 So there's these guys that are coming up that are at the higher end of the weight class.

01:30:55.000 How do you say his last name?

01:30:57.000 Volkov, right?

01:30:58.000 I always get confused because Russians say things with Russian accent.

01:31:03.000 Alexander Volkov.

01:31:05.000 Volkov.

01:31:06.000 Volkov is...

01:31:07.000 Yeah.

01:31:08.000 Find out if that's the case, if he is that tall.

01:31:10.000 He is?

01:31:11.000 He's 6'7".

01:31:12.000 Yeah.

01:31:12.000 He's incredibly long and efficient, and he has real power.

01:31:17.000 And he's hard to hit, man.

01:31:19.000 But his game is so well-rounded.

01:31:22.000 The difference between him and a guy like...

01:31:26.000 You know, Francis is he's not new to the game. 0.96

01:31:29.000 I mean, he's a giant guy who's been fighting for a long fucking time. 0.81

01:31:33.000 So he is a real efficient martial artist. 0.96

01:31:36.000 When he fought Fabricio Verdun, I could tell early on these striking exchanges like, wow, Fabricio might be in trouble.

01:31:43.000 This guy, he's long, he knows to stay on the outside, and he knows he's got an excellent sense of distance, and he's got legit knockout power. 0.60

01:31:50.000 He fucked Fabrizio up, man. 0.98

01:31:52.000 That was hard to watch. 0.99

01:31:54.000 I was like, wow, this guy, he's legit.

01:31:56.000 It's amazing these longer body types have been so good.

01:31:59.000 Anderson Silva, Bones Jones.

01:32:02.000 A lot of these guys, I wouldn't think that.

01:32:05.000 You'd think someone may be shorter or stockier than getting the inside, but...

01:32:09.000 Did you see Zabit?

01:32:10.000 Did you see Zabit Saturday night?

01:32:12.000 Yeah, it was a great fight.

01:32:13.000 Magobed Sharapov?

01:32:15.000 Say that five times fast?

01:32:16.000 Like I said before we came on the podcast, as soon as he came on, I'm going 6'2", 145. Dude.

01:32:21.000 You couldn't find a skinnier guy, I thought.

01:32:23.000 And then I saw him fight, and man, he was just so impressive.

01:32:26.000 But fast and strong at 145 and 6'2".

01:32:30.000 I guess Hoist was, you know, he wasn't real tall, but he was like 6'1", right?

01:32:34.000 But he was 175. Hmm.

01:32:36.000 And, you know, he was obviously fighting in the unlimited class, and he was fighting guys like Dan Severn at the time, who was, you know, 265. Zabit is thin, but he's got muscle on him.

01:32:44.000 He's kind of jacked.

01:32:45.000 Like, when you look at him, he's...

01:32:46.000 He's got, like, a perfect frame.

01:32:47.000 He's almost like a little tiny Luke Rockhold in a lot of ways.

01:32:51.000 But with a way more dynamic game, he could do everything, that guy.

01:32:54.000 He was really interesting to watch.

01:32:56.000 It's the first time I ever saw him fight. 0.98

01:32:57.000 Dude, that guy is fucking phenomenal. 0.97

01:32:59.000 He's so talented. 0.99

01:33:00.000 That was the first time I saw him fight live.

01:33:03.000 And it's a different thing when you see someone live.

01:33:05.000 Like you see someone in a video and you go, wow, that guy's good.

01:33:07.000 But then you see him live and, you know, your brain has like a little computer where it's seen or, you know, you've got a database, especially me.

01:33:15.000 I've seen so many fights.

01:33:17.000 I have a database of how people move.

01:33:19.000 And then you see that guy move and you're like, whoa!

01:33:21.000 What are we looking at here?

01:33:23.000 Because I love seeing that. 1.00

01:33:24.000 I love seeing this next level shit. 0.99

01:33:26.000 That next level thing, whether it's Connor or whether it's Tyron Woodley. 0.99

01:33:32.000 Every now and then you see next level and you go, oh.

01:33:35.000 Like Tyron Woodley to me.

01:33:37.000 He fought Carlos Condit, and there was a moment in the Condit fight where he stepped forward and snapped Carlos with a straight right hand.

01:33:44.000 I was like, whoa!

01:33:45.000 That's like 10% faster than it should be.

01:33:47.000 You know what I mean?

01:33:48.000 You get used to world-class athletes moving, and then you see someone like Edson Barboza switch kick.

01:33:55.000 That's another one.

01:33:56.000 You're like, whoa!

01:33:57.000 Whoa, baby! 1.00

01:33:58.000 But to me, the biggest example of that is Nurmagomedov's wrestling.

01:34:04.000 Khabib takes...

01:34:04.000 Oh my god.

01:34:06.000 Everybody.

01:34:06.000 Everybody who's good.

01:34:07.000 Rafael dos Anjos, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu black belt world champion.

01:34:11.000 Ragdolls him. 0.96

01:34:13.000 Ragdolls everybody. 1.00

01:34:14.000 Michael Johnson.

01:34:15.000 I mean, no matter who he fights.

01:34:17.000 He ragdolled this guy in the beginning, and I thought it was over right away.

01:34:20.000 I was like, oh, this is over.

01:34:22.000 But Aya Quinta did really well. 0.67

01:34:24.000 Did very well.

01:34:26.000 Very well. 0.95

01:34:26.000 The thing about Aya Quinta is he's a legit crazy person. 0.95

01:34:30.000 Like, that guy's crazy. 0.99

01:34:31.000 He trashes hotel rooms. 0.99

01:34:32.000 He's like, you look at his eyes, they're like...

01:34:34.000 Oh, there's only like a couple people home.

01:34:38.000 There's not a full village in that head.

01:34:40.000 That's not a good example. 0.92

01:34:41.000 But what I'm saying is he's a legit maniac and he's not scared. 0.69

01:34:45.000 He'll fight anybody. 0.90

01:34:46.000 You could wake him up at 3 o'clock in the morning and he'll fight anybody. 0.87

01:34:50.000 Being crazy is a thing.

01:34:51.000 He was screaming.

01:34:52.000 He was running around the hotel lobby the day when we found out that Max Holloway could not make weight.

01:34:59.000 By the way, I shouldn't say could not make weight.

01:35:01.000 I believe Max would have made the weight.

01:35:03.000 The New York State Athletic Commission, they made some big errors.

01:35:09.000 I can go into detail with a couple of them.

01:35:11.000 One of them is they wouldn't let Paul Felder fight.

01:35:14.000 Paul Felder wanted to fight.

01:35:15.000 They said he's not ranked. 1.00

01:35:16.000 Paul Felder is a fucking killer. 1.00

01:35:19.000 He is a straight-up killer. 1.00

01:35:21.000 And him versus Khabib would have been a very interesting fight because Paul is a big 155. He's very big and very strong, and he is an expert, world-class striker.

01:35:32.000 Paul Felder is a dangerous, dangerous man for anybody at 155 pounds.

01:35:36.000 And he's a ground-and-pound expert.

01:35:39.000 He's also got very good defense in everything.

01:35:42.000 Very good defense standing up.

01:35:43.000 Very good defense on the ground. 0.99

01:35:44.000 I mean, Felder's fucking well-rounded. 0.98

01:35:46.000 I would have been very intrigued in that fight. 0.98

01:35:48.000 And they offered it to Felder. 0.99

01:35:50.000 Felder said, fuck yeah. 0.99

01:35:51.000 And then the New York State Athletic Commission said no. 0.99

01:35:54.000 Said no, yeah. 1.00

01:35:55.000 I was like, you guys are out of your fucking minds. 1.00

01:35:56.000 You don't know shit about fighting if you don't think that guy could fight for the title. 0.99

01:35:59.000 Because Paul might be fighting for the title in a year from now or whenever. 0.99

01:36:02.000 I mean, he's fucking world class. 0.98

01:36:04.000 So the fact that they don't know that, and they're saying, well, based on the rankings. 1.00

01:36:07.000 Well, the rankings are horse shit. 0.99

01:36:08.000 They're arbitrary. 0.99

01:36:09.000 They're made by a bunch of people that I think a lot of times are biased.

01:36:12.000 They have terrible judgment.

01:36:14.000 Sometimes a guy will fuck a guy up, and then you look at the rankings, and he's below that guy. 1.00

01:36:18.000 He just fucked up. 0.99

01:36:20.000 Explain that. 1.00

01:36:21.000 There's no other way to tell if a guy's better than who he fucked up. 0.99

01:36:24.000 And they say, well, it was past experience. 1.00

01:36:27.000 Suck fat dicks. 1.00

01:36:28.000 That past experience doesn't mean anything. 1.00

01:36:30.000 This guy just beat this guy.

01:36:32.000 The guy beat the guy. 0.82

01:36:33.000 Who beat the guy?

01:36:33.000 That guy beat him?

01:36:34.000 Well, if he was number one, now he's number one.

01:36:36.000 That's how it goes.

01:36:37.000 You can't get knocked out and still be number one. 1.00

01:36:39.000 That's fucking bananas. 1.00

01:36:40.000 And this is often the case. 0.99

01:36:42.000 We see a guy beat a guy and he's still below the guy in the rankings. 0.96

01:36:45.000 Like, what the fuck else can he do? 0.94

01:36:47.000 But beat the guy. 0.97

01:36:49.000 How did they end up getting Iaquinta then?

01:36:51.000 They just asked him.

01:36:52.000 He was the next guy in line?

01:36:54.000 He's on a four or five fight win streak, and he's beaten some very good guys like Jorge Masvidal, Ross Pearson.

01:37:02.000 He's beaten some legit guys.

01:37:03.000 Look, Iaquinta can bang, and he's tough as shit, and he's got a wrestling background, which I think played a big factor in that fight. 0.84

01:37:10.000 Obviously, he was greatly outclassed by a guy who I think is one of the greatest lightweights of all time. 0.94

01:37:16.000 And now that he's the champion, I'm very interested in seeing.

01:37:19.000 I think what we saw in that fight that was very intriguing was the fact that Iaquinta was able to get back up and that Iaquinta was one of the few guys that Nurmagomedov has ever fought that has stuffed a bunch of takedowns and then into the late rounds.

01:37:34.000 And this is a guy in Al that didn't even prepare for a five-round fight.

01:37:37.000 He was getting ready for a three-round fight with Paul Felder. 0.98

01:37:40.000 So, I mean, fucking props to Al Iaquinta. 1.00

01:37:43.000 I mean, fucking animal. 1.00

01:37:44.000 Yeah, great job. 1.00

01:37:45.000 That was awesome.

01:37:45.000 Animal.

01:37:46.000 And major props to that Kyle Bokniak kid that fought Zabit. 1.00

01:37:51.000 That kid's fucking savage. 0.99

01:37:54.000 Because he ate everything. 1.00

01:37:55.000 He was smiling. 0.99

01:37:56.000 Getting punched in the face.

01:37:57.000 Smiling and coming on at the end of the fight.

01:37:59.000 The end of three rounds of a clinic.

01:38:02.000 I mean, Zabit put on a clinic.

01:38:03.000 He did everything.

01:38:04.000 Jump spinning back kicks, roundhouse kicks, switch kicks.

01:38:07.000 He hit him with a switch kick that was like, Jesus!

01:38:10.000 Bokniak took a couple to the neck, whack!

01:38:12.000 And still kept coming.

01:38:13.000 Still kept coming.

01:38:14.000 Blood coming out of his nose, his mouth.

01:38:16.000 He's screaming at him.

01:38:17.000 Sticking his tongue out on him. 0.99

01:38:19.000 And then Zabit is like, what the fuck do I gotta do to this guy? 0.98

01:38:22.000 At the end of it, Bokniak's got him pinned up against the cage and he's throwing bombs. 0.99

01:38:26.000 It was crazy.

01:38:27.000 The whole place.

01:38:28.000 The entire Barclays Center on their feet.

01:38:30.000 You were going nuts. 1.00

01:38:31.000 Fuck. 1.00

01:38:31.000 I stood up. 1.00

01:38:32.000 I stood up and I was screaming and clapping.

01:38:34.000 It was phenomenal.

01:38:35.000 Phenomenal.

01:38:36.000 That's what I love.

01:38:37.000 In my mind, that was worth the price of admission for the whole pay-per-view card.

01:38:41.000 That was the best fight, for sure.

01:38:43.000 Yeah, for sure.

01:38:44.000 But to see Al do that just shows you that...

01:38:49.000 You know, Al is a legit world-class fighter.

01:38:52.000 I mean, definitely is not on the level of Khabib, but nobody thought he was coming in.

01:38:55.000 I think it was, in a lot of ways, an upset just the fact that he was able to go to the distance.

01:38:59.000 And you see what Khabib did to so many other fighters.

01:39:02.000 I mean, he mauled everybody else.

01:39:04.000 And he mauled Al for a lot of the fight.

01:39:06.000 I mean, look, the guy's the best wrestler at 155. Ever.

01:39:10.000 I mean, ever.

01:39:11.000 He does things to world-class guys that makes you just confused.

01:39:16.000 Because he's not...

01:39:17.000 It's like there's certain guys that are doing things like...

01:39:20.000 Yair Rodriguez is a perfect example. 1.00

01:39:22.000 He does wild shit. 1.00

01:39:23.000 He does, like, jump 360 roundhouse kicks. 1.00

01:39:26.000 He 360 roundhouse kicks BJ Penn in the face. 1.00

01:39:29.000 And you're like, what the fuck? 0.99

01:39:31.000 So this is like a guy doing something to the other guy. 0.99

01:39:34.000 Well, the other guy just can't do that.

01:39:35.000 He can't move that way.

01:39:37.000 Nurmagomedov is doing standard stuff, but he's doing it at such a high level that he makes world-class fighters question their career.

01:39:45.000 I mean, he takes them and mauls them, and they have a different sense of where they fit in the universe. 0.97

01:39:50.000 It's crazy to see somebody come back from that when they're getting a shit beat at them. 0.99

01:39:53.000 They're getting hit so hard. 0.99

01:39:55.000 You're like, what makes you?

01:39:56.000 I've had some fighters and stuff that I've talked to in the past, and Yeah.

01:40:05.000 Yeah.

01:40:22.000 I've goofed around about pro wrestling before, but my honest feelings, all bullshit aside, is this is one of the toughest professions in all of entertainment. 0.95

01:40:30.000 It's brutal. 0.85

01:40:30.000 It is unbelievably difficult. 0.85

01:40:32.000 It is gay, though.

01:40:32.000 That's why I was in it.

01:40:34.000 Just for the gay stuff? 0.99

01:40:35.000 Exactly. 0.71

01:40:36.000 It's not a sport.

01:40:39.000 It's entertainment. 0.99

01:40:40.000 But you have to be incredibly athletic to do some of the shit they do. 0.99

01:40:44.000 And the beating those guys take in terms of their body... 0.99

01:40:47.000 It's very underappreciated because you just watch it and you go, oh, it's not real.

01:40:51.000 They're not really fighting.

01:40:53.000 But no, they're really hitting each other with chairs.

01:40:55.000 They're really jumping off the top rope and slamming each other. 0.99

01:40:58.000 I mean, all the crazy shit that they do, the toll those guys take on their body is unbearable. 0.99

01:41:03.000 Like what we're saying about Kurt Angle. 1.00

01:41:05.000 Like that guy has gone through a fuckload. 0.86

01:41:08.000 I mean, see if you can find that picture. 0.94

01:41:10.000 I think it's on Ronda Rousey's Instagram page.

01:41:13.000 Ronda Rousey with Kurt Angle at the end of their match. 1.00

01:41:16.000 And you're looking at it.

01:41:17.000 50?

01:41:17.000 He won an Olympic gold medal with a broken neck and he's still going.

01:41:22.000 Did he win a gold medal?

01:41:23.000 His neck was broken when he won the Olympics?

01:41:26.000 Not like broken in half.

01:41:28.000 He had a fracture in his neck and he still won. 1.00

01:41:30.000 What the fuck, man? 1.00

01:41:32.000 He wasn't supposed to wrestle. 1.00

01:41:33.000 That was a good one, but the one with their arms raised.

01:41:39.000 Is it on hers?

01:41:41.000 Maybe it's not.

01:41:42.000 There it is right there.

01:41:43.000 Look at that.

01:41:43.000 Look at his arms, man.

01:41:44.000 Yeah, look at that left arm. 0.97

01:41:46.000 I mean, that's crazy.

01:41:47.000 Looks like...

01:41:47.000 No offense, Jamie.

01:41:49.000 Looks like Jamie's arm.

01:41:50.000 Jamie, you got big arms.

01:41:52.000 You do have big arms.

01:41:53.000 I mean, you do.

01:41:54.000 But you have big arms for a normal guy. 1.00

01:41:55.000 He's a goddamn gorilla. 1.00

01:41:57.000 Normal? 1.00

01:41:58.000 Yeah, for normal.

01:41:58.000 Well, you're athletic.

01:42:00.000 You're a well-built guy.

01:42:01.000 I'm not saying anything bad, but I'm saying that for the size of what he used to look like, go back. 1.00

01:42:06.000 Look at the size of his fucking neck. 0.99

01:42:08.000 Dude, what is that thing right below his ear? 1.00

01:42:11.000 What is that?

01:42:11.000 That's his neck.

01:42:12.000 What is that? 1.00

01:42:13.000 That's fucking crazy. 1.00

01:42:14.000 Dude, that's like he's got a gopher living in his neck. 1.00

01:42:16.000 You know, the way those guys train their neck is crazy. 1.00

01:42:19.000 The way they do is with bridges and shit. 1.00

01:42:20.000 That shit's not good for you, man. 1.00

01:42:22.000 I don't think so. 1.00

01:42:23.000 It's not.

01:42:23.000 There's an article about that recently where they were describing the dangers of neck bridging.

01:42:28.000 It does strengthen your neck. 0.98

01:42:30.000 Well, wrestling, they do a lot of shit that's not great for you, I don't think. 0.99

01:42:33.000 It's kind of par for the course, right? 0.99

01:42:35.000 With collegiate-style wrestling. 1.00

01:42:37.000 Do you ever fuck with that iron neck? 1.00

01:42:39.000 I like it. 1.00

01:42:39.000 Love that thing. 1.00

01:42:40.000 I like it.

01:42:41.000 I used it before.

01:42:42.000 I got one of those out there.

01:42:43.000 Love that.

01:42:43.000 I used it before some deadlifts the other day, and I felt stronger, legitimately felt stronger.

01:42:47.000 Oh, it's phenomenal.

01:42:48.000 I actually used it and didn't know that I had an issue with my neck until I used it.

01:42:52.000 And then after I used it, I'm like, wait a second, I can turn my head all the way now.

01:42:56.000 So I think it's great.

01:42:57.000 Well, one of the things about it is the range of motion that it gives you.

01:42:59.000 And for grapplers, I think it is mandatory.

01:43:03.000 I think it's a mandatory thing. 0.99

01:43:05.000 I fucked my neck up for a bunch of reasons. 1.00

01:43:07.000 One, from being an idiot and not tapping. 1.00

01:43:09.000 Two, from getting injured and still training. 0.99

01:43:11.000 But three, because one of my biggest moves is the arm triangle.

01:43:15.000 So in the arm triangle, when you get a head and arm choke, when I got the guy's arm trapped here, I'm using my neck.

01:43:21.000 So I'm constantly pinning things down with my neck.

01:43:25.000 And you're rolling... 0.88

01:43:27.000 For a fucking hour, a night, or whatever it is, it's a lot of pressure you're putting on your neck, and then defending things with your neck, and everything gets inflamed, and everything's injured, and you get these little micro-injuries that never really heal because you're back training again. 0.98

01:43:40.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:43:40.000 That iron neck thing works great, though. 0.98

01:43:42.000 I think we both looked at it kind of skeptical when we first saw it, and then the guy did a demo for us, and we both used it and thought it was really cool.

01:43:48.000 You put on this weird helmet.

01:43:50.000 It looks weird.

01:43:51.000 In the beginning, you're like, what is this thing?

01:43:53.000 And then it works great.

01:43:54.000 But, I mean, even one of those harnesses with a weight, just anything where you're, you know, just constantly conditioning your neck.

01:44:00.000 I mean, your neck needs a workout.

01:44:02.000 It really does. 1.00

01:44:03.000 That's when you know you're serious about training is when you have a fucking neck harness. 1.00

01:44:07.000 Yeah, man. 1.00

01:44:08.000 Yeah.

01:44:08.000 I've always had one.

01:44:09.000 Back in the day.

01:44:10.000 I'm a big believer in working out your neck.

01:44:12.000 You know, and Jean-Jacques Machado, my jiu-jitsu instructor, there's a very famous quote.

01:44:16.000 He says, never trust your neck.

01:44:20.000 Yeah, never trust your neck.

01:44:21.000 You know, like if you think that, you know, if someone's choking you, it's like, don't just think that your neck is strong enough to handle it. 1.00

01:44:27.000 Fuck that. 1.00

01:44:28.000 Protect your neck. 1.00

01:44:29.000 Yeah, Kurt Angle looks like he's got over a 20-inch neck or something.

01:44:32.000 I mean, it's huge. 1.00

01:44:32.000 It looks like he's pushing his head off his fucking shoulders. 1.00

01:44:35.000 Yeah, it's like two of my thighs holding his fucking head up. 0.99

01:44:38.000 But I mean, it's probably just to support his neck with all the injuries that the guy's had. 0.98

01:44:42.000 I mean, I'm sure he's got fused discs or something going on up there, right?

01:44:45.000 Does he?

01:44:46.000 Yeah, he had surgery a couple times.

01:44:48.000 He actually, you know, he was addicted to drugs.

01:44:51.000 Now he's doing a big thing on sobriety.

01:44:53.000 And he was heavily addicted to, like, opioids for a long time.

01:44:58.000 And he actually went to the point where, I believe...

01:45:03.000 It was a situation where it was either the drugs or he gets fired, and he basically got fired from WWE or released or whatever happened, but sort of went down a really bad road, and it's just good to see him back and back being as healthy as he can be at this point because he went through a really rough time,

01:45:22.000 you know?

01:45:23.000 I loved your documentary, Prescription Thugs, and I've shown it and recommended it to so many people.

01:45:28.000 I just think we live in a crazy time.

01:45:32.000 You're hearing all the time someone's cousin, my brother, this guy, my mom.

01:45:37.000 People get injured, they get on pills, and then they wind up dying, or they go down that road and they become addicts. 0.99

01:45:43.000 It is a fucking, not so silent, but epidemic in this country. 0.97

01:45:49.000 And a lot of people feel completely helpless because they're getting prescribed these things by their doctor, so they think they should take them. 0.99

01:45:55.000 And then, you know, you watch your friend drift away.

01:45:58.000 I mean, it happened to one of my family members. 1.00

01:46:00.000 I watched my family member go from being a normal guy to being a total fucking loser. 0.99

01:46:04.000 It's just because he hurt his back and he got hooked on pills and the next thing you can't keep a job and he's always on the pills and he never did shit when I knew him. 1.00

01:46:12.000 I grew up with this kid. 0.99

01:46:13.000 He was totally normal and now he's all fucked up and it's just... 0.99

01:46:17.000 Is he still messed up? 1.00

01:46:18.000 Yeah, he's still fucked up. 1.00

01:46:19.000 He doesn't want to get sober? 1.00

01:46:20.000 Is that the thing?

01:46:21.000 I can't.

01:46:22.000 I can't.

01:46:22.000 I don't know what to do.

01:46:23.000 You can't hold someone's hand.

01:46:25.000 I mean, he lives in Boston. 0.99

01:46:27.000 I can't fly to Boston and fucking hold his hand. 0.99

01:46:29.000 We have a cousin who's an alcoholic and And he's in his 30s. 0.99

01:46:34.000 You know, he needs a liver transplant and he still goes and drinks. 1.00

01:46:38.000 In his fucking 30s. 1.00

01:46:39.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:46:41.000 Goddamn. 0.99

01:46:41.000 You know, and it's just a shame because we love him. 0.99

01:46:44.000 He's our cousin, but there's nothing that we can do to help him.

01:46:46.000 I've tried to help him so many times, even offering him to bring him out here and to go to rehab for free.

01:46:59.000 It is brutal.

01:47:03.000 It runs rampant.

01:47:04.000 It does, and it's so easy for people to get lost.

01:47:07.000 I mean, Schaub.

01:47:08.000 Schaub broke his nose in the Cro Cop fight.

01:47:10.000 Cro Cop smashed his nose with an elbow, and he had to get his nose reconstructed. 1.00

01:47:14.000 And when he got his nose reconstructed, they put him on pills.

01:47:16.000 Next thing you know, he's taking those pills all day long.

01:47:19.000 And it's four months later, and his buddies grabbed him, and they went to his house, and they opened up his medicine cabinet, they threw everything away, and they go, this is it.

01:47:27.000 It's over.

01:47:27.000 You're not doing this anymore, man.

01:47:29.000 And he's like, you're right, you're right.

01:47:30.000 And he went cold turkey.

01:47:32.000 Luckily, Brendan is a strong guy, mentally.

01:47:36.000 And he got off of it, and that was it.

01:47:37.000 And he likes to talk about it, because it's an important thing.

01:47:40.000 Because he goes, I would have never thought that I would get addicted to drugs.

01:47:42.000 It's such a sickness.

01:47:43.000 I remember the last time I did Percocet.

01:47:47.000 I was at a UCLA-USC game, and I took a bunch of them because I was like, I'm going to be sitting through this game the whole time.

01:47:52.000 I'll take the whole bottle.

01:47:53.000 I took 30 of them with me to this game.

01:47:55.000 30!

01:47:56.000 30 pills with me to this game.

01:47:58.000 This gets even better.

01:48:00.000 I sit down in my seat, and right behind me is the doctor who owns the clinic where I got my surgery done.

01:48:08.000 Meanwhile, I'm super high talking to this doctor the whole time on the pills that he prescribed to me.

01:48:14.000 I did 30 pills during that game.

01:48:16.000 That's crazy.

01:48:18.000 Did the doctor know that you were pilled up?

01:48:20.000 I mean, he would have had to know.

01:48:22.000 I mean, I don't know, but it was a weird situation, but getting off those pills was necessary.

01:48:32.000 It would have ended my life, for sure.

01:48:34.000 Now, if you had gotten a surgery tomorrow, like, say, what if your hip fucked up and they had to go back and redo it, would you take the pain pills?

01:48:41.000 I would take the painkillers as long as I was in the hospital.

01:48:45.000 Like, whatever I'm supervised.

01:48:47.000 Wouldn't you be scared, though, that you would jump right back in?

01:48:50.000 You think that's over?

01:48:51.000 Not really.

01:48:51.000 I don't think it works that way.

01:48:52.000 I don't think it'd be a trigger.

01:48:56.000 But I wouldn't take them at home.

01:48:57.000 I'd use Kratom or something else.

01:49:00.000 And who knows?

01:49:01.000 I don't know how good Kratom would work after a surgery.

01:49:04.000 Right, right, right.

01:49:05.000 Who knows?

01:49:05.000 We don't know how it works like that.

01:49:06.000 Kratom did help you, right?

01:49:08.000 Helps me phenomenally every single day, yeah.

01:49:10.000 My friend Cam's on that stuff, too.

01:49:12.000 He had a real problem with ibuprofen for a while.

01:49:15.000 And then Dr. Rhonda Patrick did a podcast with me where she was talking about the dangers of ibuprofen and all the different real severe side effects that people have.

01:49:24.000 It ruins your gut microbiome.

01:49:25.000 It ruins your libido and your...

01:49:29.000 Your sperm count, too.

01:49:30.000 Well, the gut microbiome was really fascinating because it would cause his inflammation and he was dealing with inflammation issues.

01:49:36.000 So he'd wake up, his hips would hurt, his feet would hurt, his knees would hurt.

01:49:39.000 So he'd take 800 milligrams of ibuprofen.

01:49:41.000 He would do it several times a day.

01:49:43.000 That's what I was doing.

01:49:44.000 But it was a cycle. 0.82

01:49:44.000 So that was what was causing the inflammation because it was fucking up his gut microbiome. 0.82

01:49:48.000 So he gets off of it and then he calls me and he's like, you can't fucking believe this, man. 0.82

01:49:53.000 He goes, I'm off of it and all my pain's gone. 0.99

01:49:55.000 He kept running because he's an animal.

01:49:56.000 He runs every day.

01:49:58.000 So he said, the pain's gone.

01:50:00.000 He's like, the pain was being caused by the inflammation that was caused by ibuprofen. 1.00

01:50:04.000 Like, holy fucking shit. 0.99

01:50:05.000 And he just thanked me. 1.00

01:50:07.000 He's like, if it wasn't for Rhonda Patrick, I, you know, who knows?

01:50:09.000 I mean, people get strokes. 0.99

01:50:11.000 They have all sorts of fucking... 0.99

01:50:12.000 You're not supposed to take that. 1.00

01:50:13.000 I mean, it's fine if you take it.

01:50:14.000 I go have a headache, take a little ibuprofen, you'll be fine.

01:50:16.000 It's not going to kill you. 1.00

01:50:18.000 But if you take that shit 800 milligrams a day for a couple of years, who the fuck knows what's going to do to you? 1.00

01:50:22.000 Your body's not designed for non-steroidal anti-inflammatories on a daily basis on very high doses over and over and over and over. 1.00

01:50:29.000 And they say if you combine the Advil, the ibuprofen, and the acetaminophen that it works even better.

01:50:34.000 So that's what I was doing.

01:50:35.000 I would take about eight Advil a day and eight Tylenol a day.

01:50:38.000 So I'm killing not only my liver but my kidneys also.

01:50:42.000 And I've known a lot of people that have had transplants because of that.

01:50:46.000 Whoa.

01:50:47.000 Have a kidney transplant because they're taking too much ibuprofen.

01:50:50.000 Now, your documentary, A Leaf of Faith, you're still doing that?

01:50:54.000 We finished it, yeah.

01:50:56.000 It comes out on May 29th.

01:50:58.000 And that's all about Kratom?

01:50:59.000 Yeah, it's all about Kratom.

01:51:01.000 It's really about my experience with Kratom.

01:51:03.000 It's about my journey.

01:51:05.000 Like, hey, I was this guy who lifted weights and did all these things.

01:51:08.000 Yeah.

01:51:09.000 Got hurt.

01:51:10.000 And this is what happened to me.

01:51:11.000 And I just I sort of tell the story.

01:51:13.000 And then as I tell the story, I go out and discover, you know, is Kratom good or bad for you?

01:51:17.000 And we talked to we talked to both sides of the issue.

01:51:19.000 We talked to the Congress people that are trying to ban it.

01:51:22.000 We talked to the ones that are trying to save it.

01:51:24.000 Well, they're calling an opiate now.

01:51:25.000 Yeah, they definitely call it...

01:51:27.000 There was a real recent redefinition of it.

01:51:30.000 The show that you and I did, and in the movie, you'll see it, it's very pivotal.

01:51:34.000 Like, what you do is awesome with this podcast, by the way, but what we were able to do from that show is, like, basically you kept Kratom legal.

01:51:44.000 We're good to go.

01:52:00.000 That's amazing.

01:52:01.000 The DEA said, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, wait a second.

01:52:04.000 We can't make this illegal.

01:52:06.000 People go crazy.

01:52:07.000 But what did they do recently?

01:52:08.000 They definitely reclassified it.

01:52:10.000 It's not totally illegal?

01:52:11.000 That was the FDA, not the DEA. So the FDA came out.

01:52:15.000 Why?

01:52:16.000 Okay, so here's why.

01:52:18.000 Realistically, why?

01:52:19.000 FDA calls creative an opioid and warns against using the supplement.

01:52:22.000 I'll tell you why. 0.99

01:52:23.000 Because they're cunts, right? 0.99

01:52:26.000 No, no, not at all. 0.99

01:52:27.000 The FDA is doing the right thing here.

01:52:31.000 What?

01:52:31.000 How dare you?

01:52:32.000 Who are you?

01:52:33.000 What have you done with Chris Bell?

01:52:34.000 I'll tell you why.

01:52:36.000 A lot of people are marketing Kratom the wrong way, they're packaging it the wrong way, and they are not testing it.

01:52:42.000 And when they're not testing it, you have things like a salmonella outbreak that put 28 people or something in the hospital.

01:52:50.000 I forget how many people, but there was a salmonella outbreak, and that's because a company...

01:52:55.000 Buys kratom from overseas, from Indonesia.

01:52:58.000 They get it shipped here.

01:52:59.000 And they don't test it for contaminants.

01:53:02.000 So the company that I did the film with, a company called Urban Ice, they test all their products for contaminants three times during the process.

01:53:10.000 You know you own a supplement company.

01:53:11.000 You know how it works.

01:53:13.000 You have to test your shales. 0.98

01:53:14.000 Independently.

01:53:14.000 It's very important.

01:53:15.000 Third-party independent testing.

01:53:17.000 And that's what people aren't doing.

01:53:18.000 And so they make it cheaper.

01:53:21.000 And then the companies that are doing it, That screws them because now they've got to try to make their product cheaper to keep up with other people, but they're paying for the testing each time.

01:53:30.000 Well, the supplement business is almost on the honor system.

01:53:34.000 It's really crazy. 0.99

01:53:36.000 My friend Aubrey, whom I'm partners with in Onnit, He was explaining to me how those big dick pills work. 0.99

01:53:43.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:53:44.000 You know, when you buy them at the gas station, the hard-on pills.

01:53:47.000 He's like, those pills, most of them have Cialis or Viagra in them.

01:53:51.000 Yeah.

01:53:51.000 And so they get busted.

01:53:53.000 Somebody busts them.

01:53:54.000 And then once they bust them, they go, oh, sorry.

01:53:56.000 They changed the name of the company.

01:53:57.000 They sell it again.

01:53:58.000 And then they get busted again.

01:53:59.000 And they just keep doing this.

01:54:00.000 There's a little shuffle.

01:54:01.000 We're in the same thing with the Kratom industry, basically.

01:54:03.000 So what else is in Kratom?

01:54:05.000 If you buy Kratom somewhere, what could it possibly be other than...

01:54:09.000 Well, so there's...

01:54:11.000 Does that happen sometimes?

01:54:12.000 Yeah, and there's different...

01:54:13.000 Yeah, it actually happened in Sweden to the point where people died.

01:54:16.000 So in Sweden, they put fentanyl in with kratom.

01:54:20.000 Oh, Jesus Christ.

01:54:20.000 And nine people died.

01:54:22.000 Fuck! 1.00

01:54:22.000 And I don't want to scare people off of taking it, because I use it every day and think it's great. 1.00

01:54:26.000 Well, what's the company that you use, because that was the guy that you brought on the podcast?

01:54:30.000 Yeah, Urban Ice Organics, that company.

01:54:31.000 Urban Ice Organics, yeah.

01:54:33.000 That stuff I've used, and it's great.

01:54:35.000 Yeah, their website's Natural Organics, with an X on the end, dot com.

01:54:38.000 What's interesting to me, too, is that in low doses, it's actually kind of a stimulant, almost like a cup of coffee.

01:54:43.000 Yeah.

01:54:44.000 But in high doses, it's more relaxing.

01:54:46.000 Yeah.

01:54:47.000 Do you take it?

01:54:48.000 I take it occasionally.

01:54:49.000 Yeah, we have some in the back.

01:54:50.000 Yeah.

01:54:51.000 Yeah, I thought we sent you some in.

01:54:52.000 Yeah, yeah, you did.

01:54:52.000 Yeah.

01:54:53.000 And I thought, because, you know, the thing is that not everybody is in pain, but a lot of people feel stress.

01:55:00.000 Stress is a big deal, you know, and Kratom really helps people with anxiety, PTSD, and stress.

01:55:05.000 If someone has anxiety, like how many pills do they take for anxiety?

01:55:07.000 I take Two at a time.

01:55:09.000 I think that's the problem we're getting into.

01:55:11.000 I can't really tell people that stuff because that's like illegal according to FDA. Now I can because I'm a filmmaker, right?

01:55:17.000 So I would say take two.

01:55:19.000 But for the most part, like a company can't tell you that.

01:55:22.000 Like, you know, you as the owner of Onnit can't say, take this many pills and this will like take this much alpha brain and it'll do this for your brain. 0.99

01:55:28.000 Because you say the wrong thing and the FDA is all over your ass, right? 0.99

01:55:32.000 So that's an issue. 0.99

01:55:35.000 Like the way that...

01:55:36.000 The way that Kratom needs to be marketed is like basically, the way that supplements are supposed to be marketed is you know that you're taking it for a specific response, but the FDA doesn't let you tell people that, which is just really screwed up too, because I think that that's a problem.

01:55:50.000 It's like an issue.

01:55:51.000 You should be able to say what it does.

01:55:53.000 The problem is people make way too many health claims.

01:55:56.000 So with Kratom, they make the health claim that it will cure opioid addiction.

01:56:00.000 And that's a huge claim to make. 0.89

01:56:03.000 And it's a ridiculous claim to make. 0.92

01:56:05.000 It can help somebody get over an opioid addiction.

01:56:08.000 But to say it cures an opioid addiction or to say that it even will cure your pain or help your pain, those are bigger claims than supplements are allowed to make.

01:56:18.000 And that's the issue with people coming down on it.

01:56:21.000 That is the thing, like, what helps you over an addiction.

01:56:24.000 There's so many factors.

01:56:26.000 First of all, there's genetics.

01:56:27.000 Some people have a genetic propensity for addiction.

01:56:29.000 It's just a fact.

01:56:30.000 It runs in their family.

01:56:31.000 And I don't know if that's nature or nurture, because I don't have it in my family, but some people do. 0.98

01:56:36.000 I know people, they drink one drink, and they get fucking gerbilized, and they're off to the races. 0.97

01:56:41.000 They're gone. 0.93

01:56:42.000 They disappear.

01:56:42.000 You know people like that, right?

01:56:44.000 Yeah, and there was a big difference.

01:56:45.000 My dad says there was a big difference between our brother Mike and me and the way that we did it.

01:56:51.000 So I sort of fell into it, but Mike was kind of always that way.

01:56:55.000 You fell into it because of surgery.

01:56:57.000 Because of surgery.

01:56:57.000 Right, and constant pain because of...

01:56:59.000 You have...

01:57:00.000 Mike fell into it because he was an...

01:57:01.000 Rheumatoid?

01:57:02.000 Osteoarthritis.

01:57:03.000 Osteoarthritis?

01:57:03.000 Our brother, Mad Dog, he fell into it because he was an animal.

01:57:07.000 Right.

01:57:07.000 He was always that guy.

01:57:08.000 Partying and...

01:57:09.000 Yeah, he was...

01:57:10.000 You know the guy who's like the king of the school, the head of everything?

01:57:14.000 That was Mad Dog.

01:57:15.000 He was always in charge, always had the most friends, was super popular.

01:57:20.000 But there was some void inside, something missing that would turn him to drugs and alcohol. 0.96

01:57:25.000 Man, it's like when you know someone that has that, it is such a helpless feeling because it's not a goddamn thing you can do about it. 0.90

01:57:33.000 I first experienced it when I was in high school. 0.85

01:57:36.000 My dad was an architect, and I got a lot of gigs over the summer working on construction sites. 0.97

01:57:42.000 And so I would hang out with a lot of these guys that were carpenters and laborers, and this one guy that I worked with was a great guy, but he couldn't fucking lay off the coke. 0.83

01:57:51.000 He would get clean. 0.61

01:57:53.000 He was like, this is it.

01:57:53.000 I'm getting my band together.

01:57:55.000 I'd be like, that's awesome, man.

01:57:56.000 Good for you. 1.00

01:57:56.000 And then he'd come in hungover, fucked up. 1.00

01:58:00.000 It just looked like he had the flu. 1.00

01:58:02.000 It's dark.

01:58:03.000 Yeah, it's dark.

01:58:04.000 It's dark, man.

01:58:04.000 He couldn't stop.

01:58:05.000 He'd keep going back to it. 1.00

01:58:06.000 I used to go in my bathroom in the morning, hungover every day, look in the mirror and go, who the fuck are you? 1.00

01:58:12.000 Like, what is that fat, gross, wrinkly, old dude doing in the mirror? 1.00

01:58:17.000 Like, what happened to you? 0.98

01:58:19.000 Your movie was 96% on Rotten Tomatoes about steroids and health and trying to figure out if this is good or bad for you. 1.00

01:58:27.000 And now you are just a fucked up drug addict. 1.00

01:58:30.000 And I would just cry. 1.00

01:58:32.000 And I had nothing, like nowhere to turn.

01:58:34.000 I felt like I couldn't tell my parents because they just experienced it.

01:58:38.000 I felt like I couldn't tell my brother because he's into fitness and training and he's going to be like, come on, dude, snap out of it.

01:58:43.000 It's what I thought, but what I thought didn't happen.

01:58:47.000 As soon as Mark found out about it, he said, come here, give me a big hug and say, we're going to help you.

01:58:51.000 And I think that's most people's fear is that it's going to be really bad.

01:58:55.000 But I should tell everybody it's going to be really, really good when you come out that other side.

01:58:59.000 My wife was a big part of it.

01:59:00.000 And the advice I always give and we try to always give is just don't give up on people. 0.97

01:59:04.000 You don't want to overextend yourself because you are going to get fucked over by people that are addicts. 0.99

01:59:10.000 You will get screwed over. 0.99

01:59:12.000 But you just tell them, hey, whenever you're ready, I'm here to help. 0.93

01:59:15.000 Whatever way I can help.

01:59:16.000 If I can help financially, if I can help – whatever way I can help, I'm here to help.

01:59:21.000 Just let them know.

01:59:22.000 And in that way, you can always at least feel good that you at least did some of your part there.

01:59:52.000 Get him to where he is now.

01:59:53.000 I'm so proud of him.

01:59:55.000 It's unbelievable.

01:59:56.000 It sounds kind of dorky, you know, in some way, because he's my bro.

01:59:58.000 No, it's great. 0.99

01:59:59.000 We're supposed to talk shit about each other all the time, you know? 0.98

02:00:01.000 But I am really proud of him, and he's been an idol of mine since I was a little kid. 0.98

02:00:06.000 He's the reason why I lift.

02:00:07.000 He's the reason why I lift so hard. 1.00

02:00:09.000 And he'll get motivated by me, and he'll say, dude, I saw you doing that crazy shit. 0.99

02:00:12.000 He's like, I'm going to go in and deadlift. 0.99

02:00:14.000 But it's really him that's motivating me.

02:00:16.000 He's the driver of a lot of this.

02:00:18.000 Well, you really do look a lot healthier than when I first met you.

02:00:22.000 Well, thank you. 0.90

02:00:22.000 It looks fucking awesome. 0.90

02:00:23.000 It's really cool.

02:00:23.000 Thank you both.

02:00:24.000 I'm getting showered in praise over what I wanted to do.

02:00:26.000 When I saw you today, I was like, you look good, man.

02:00:28.000 Thank you, man.

02:00:28.000 I really appreciate it.

02:00:29.000 You know how someone, you see them and they just look vibrant.

02:00:32.000 You know, you can tell when someone's healthy.

02:00:34.000 When he first started getting sober, it was hard.

02:00:36.000 You know, he was losing weight.

02:00:37.000 He was doing everything good, but he still was getting sick all the time.

02:00:41.000 And he looked sickly.

02:00:43.000 You know, and I was like, man, is he...

02:00:44.000 Is he telling me the truth?

02:00:45.000 Is he really doing okay?

02:00:47.000 And it took time.

02:00:48.000 It took a long time.

02:00:49.000 The best thing for me is being able to give back and being able to come on this podcast.

02:00:54.000 And I know after this podcast, I'm going to get hit up on social media a million times, and I'm going to be like, bro, I'm dying.

02:01:01.000 I'm sick.

02:01:02.000 I'm drunk right now.

02:01:04.000 I'm crying.

02:01:05.000 And I'll be like, call me.

02:01:08.000 You know what I mean?

02:01:08.000 And I'll call these people.

02:01:09.000 That's awesome.

02:01:10.000 I literally call them and I say, I can't even believe I'm talking to you.

02:01:13.000 And I'm like, I'm just a normal dude, you know?

02:01:15.000 Yeah, it's the trick of the microphone, right?

02:01:17.000 Yeah.

02:01:17.000 And so what's really beautiful is being able to help these people and then, you know, forgetting about these people because there's so many of them.

02:01:26.000 There's hundreds of emails and texts and things.

02:01:29.000 So you help them and then you move on to the next guy.

02:01:32.000 But then three or four months later, you get this, you know, thank you letter, you know, that That says like, hey, I completely turned my life around.

02:01:39.000 I'm completely fine now.

02:01:41.000 You know, and I'm sure some of them still go the other way and you can't save everybody and you can't help everybody, but you sure can try, you know?

02:01:48.000 Well, you definitely make an impact and podcasts like this always make an impact.

02:01:51.000 There's people out there that are listening right now and they might be in their car. 0.80

02:01:54.000 They might be sitting at home just trying to figure out what the fuck to do with their life. 0.89

02:01:57.000 Sometimes all people need is that little extra juice, that little extra motivation that they get from hearing somebody like yourself that's gone through it. 0.98

02:02:05.000 Yeah. 0.98

02:02:05.000 And came out on the other side healthy and like fuck if he was crying looking in the mirror and feeling like shit and he was addicted to drugs and And and and he came from a healthy background and he came from a background where he's making a documentary about health when it got really bad You know when you when you start drinking in the morning, 0.98

02:02:22.000 it's really bad Yeah, and alcohol became the worst part of it worse than worse than even you know the pills and I just remember They start selling alcohol in L.A. at 6 a.m. 0.99

02:02:32.000 And I remember I used to live right across from Gold's Gym in Venice.

02:02:35.000 And I'd get up and I'd walk across the street at like 545 because my car was parked.

02:02:42.000 I had to park across the street right by the gym.

02:02:44.000 I'd walk across the street over by the gym and I'd see my friends going into the gym for a workout.

02:02:48.000 And they'd be like, hey, Chris, what's going on?

02:02:50.000 And I'd be waving them.

02:02:51.000 I'd be going to the liquor store.

02:02:52.000 And that's when I knew it was really bad and things needed to change.

02:02:56.000 So I really do think that, like you said, it takes somebody just like that little thing.

02:03:03.000 So if there's people out there that are listening to this, just hit me up or hit up somebody and tell them that you're hurting because people will help you.

02:03:10.000 You need other people.

02:03:10.000 You're not going to do it on your own.

02:03:12.000 Everybody needs other people, period. 0.98

02:03:13.000 This idea of the lone wolf is total horseshit.

02:03:16.000 I need to help other people in order for me to be fulfilled. 0.81

02:03:18.000 For sure.

02:03:19.000 Yeah, man.

02:03:20.000 Yeah, I mean, we're all together in this thing.

02:03:24.000 Yeah, having him at my house really helped me a lot, too.

02:03:27.000 Just knowing that he was safe and knowing he was doing the right thing.

02:03:31.000 I'm married.

02:03:31.000 I got two kids.

02:03:32.000 I don't fuck around. 1.00

02:03:33.000 I train. 1.00

02:03:34.000 I fucking try to eat healthy. 0.94

02:03:35.000 I try to do the best I can each and every day. 0.96

02:03:38.000 And having him with me made me more accountable, made me more full bore about everything.

02:03:43.000 So it worked out good for both of us.

02:03:45.000 Did you ever investigate Ibogaine?

02:03:48.000 Yeah, I looked into it.

02:03:49.000 I talked to the top.

02:03:50.000 I do know the top researcher on ibogaine, Dr. Deborah Mash.

02:03:55.000 Explain what that stuff is and what it can do.

02:03:57.000 Ibogaine is a substance that you get it from Africa.

02:04:00.000 It's found in Africa.

02:04:01.000 And basically, you drink it.

02:04:03.000 I think they make up some sort of potion or whatever.

02:04:06.000 And you drink it.

02:04:06.000 And then...

02:04:08.000 Literally, we'll turn a 20-year heroin addict around in about a day, about 36 hours, they say.

02:04:16.000 And they go through some ritual.

02:04:17.000 I'm not sure if the ritual does anything.

02:04:19.000 The doctor didn't even really know if the ritual did anything, but it's part of the placebo, I guess.

02:04:24.000 But it seems to really work.

02:04:27.000 It's a Schedule I drug here in America.

02:04:29.000 You can't get it here.

02:04:31.000 It's actually fairly safe compared to a lot of other things.

02:04:35.000 So there's been some deaths on it, but like maybe 15 all time or something, like not super high.

02:04:42.000 And it definitely needs to be medically supervised, but I don't think it should be illegal at all.

02:04:46.000 I think Ibogaine and Kratom are the answers to the opioid epidemic.

02:04:50.000 Well, Ibogaine has an incredibly high rate of success in terms of people taking Ibogaine and getting off pills.

02:04:58.000 I think Ibogaine is incredible.

02:05:00.000 My friend Ed Clay opened up a clinic. 0.81

02:05:02.000 He had an issue with pills as well and I'm pretty sure, I don't want to speak out of school, but I'm pretty sure his came also from an injury and then he had a pill problem and then was trying to figure out what the fuck to do with it and went down to Mexico Went to an Ibogaine clinic and then said,

02:05:19.000 wow, this is, I mean, fixed him up totally and then opened up his own clinic.

02:05:25.000 One thing I didn't understand is I interviewed this doctor, Debra Mash, and it's probably because she's in Florida. 0.94

02:05:31.000 She's tied in with politicians, which is always a problem. 1.00

02:05:34.000 And so she's 100% for ibogaine, but she's also against kratom, which makes no sense because she thinks that kratom is...

02:05:44.000 Because ibogaine, you have to go get it medically supervised and medically done, and she just thinks giving people kratom is loosey-goosey kind of stuff. 1.00

02:05:53.000 Man, I'm 100% for clinics opening up and then giving the money to the doctors and give the money to the state.

02:05:58.000 If you can get Ibogaine into the hands of a lot of these people, it's so ruthlessly introspective.

02:06:03.000 Not from my personal experience, but Aubrey's taken it.

02:06:06.000 I know several people, Ed has taken it.

02:06:09.000 I know several people that have taken it and it's completely turned their life around where they had this...

02:06:14.000 Intense 24-hour experience where you just examine every single aspect of your life in this really alien way and then after it's over you like I'm never fucking drinking again or I'm never taking pills again and they really do change their life and it's also Not just an introspective experience,

02:06:30.000 but it also rewires the way your brain handles the addiction.

02:06:34.000 I'm not qualified to speak how, because I don't really understand it.

02:06:38.000 I don't know if anybody understands it, actually.

02:06:41.000 Like, exactly how it works.

02:06:42.000 Aubrey could explain it.

02:06:43.000 Aubrey can explain, like, the mechanism.

02:06:45.000 There's some sort of a shift.

02:06:47.000 See if we can find that.

02:06:48.000 How does ibogaine cure addiction?

02:06:50.000 See if you can find that.

02:06:51.000 But it's incredibly effective.

02:06:54.000 One of the highest rates of success, another super high rate of success that we might be getting in California, it's on the ballot in 2018, is legalizing psilocybin. 0.98

02:07:05.000 If they can legalize psilocybin, that can fix a lot of fucking people, too. 0.92

02:07:09.000 And that's also something that you don't die from. 0.98

02:07:12.000 Nobody's overdosing on psilocybin.

02:07:14.000 The LD50 rate is something like 1,500 pounds.

02:07:16.000 And what does that do?

02:07:18.000 Magic Mushrooms.

02:07:19.000 Yeah, and that's for mental health, right?

02:07:22.000 Well, Johns Hopkins University did some studies on it, and one of the things they found is soldiers with PTSD. This is one thing that MAPS is concentrating on now, especially soldiers with PTSD and anybody with PTSD, rape victims, violent assault victims.

02:07:38.000 Some people have some real hard times getting past past events.

02:07:41.000 And psilocybin has incredible effects on that.

02:07:45.000 But MDMA also does.

02:07:47.000 And right now, MAPS is involved in some pretty heavy clinical trials with MDMA. And they think 2021 is around the time where they're going to have MDMA clinics.

02:07:58.000 And then it'll be legal. 0.92

02:07:59.000 Because we have so many soldiers that are coming back from war, and they're all fucked up, and they have no solutions. 0.87

02:08:04.000 They put these people on pills and antidepressants and all these different things, anti-anxiety medication. 0.82

02:08:09.000 Psilocybin and MDMA have shown to have massive, powerful, beneficial effects.

02:08:14.000 That's something that I really want to do.

02:08:16.000 I want to do the MDMA treatment.

02:08:17.000 I think that what a lot of people don't understand is when you have an addiction, there's deep-seated things in your mind, in your subconscious, that drive you to go to the pills or go to the drinks or whatever.

02:08:29.000 And it doesn't just go away when you get sober.

02:08:31.000 You sort of work a lot of it out.

02:08:34.000 But some of the subconscious stuff, you can't work out.

02:08:36.000 So I'm like, man, there's still things, habits I don't like about myself.

02:08:40.000 There's still things I want to fix.

02:08:41.000 Well, let me connect.

02:08:42.000 I'll connect you to Aubrey because he's really tight with those guys that are in the middle of those studies right now and he's actually gone through that protocol and he's helped other people.

02:08:50.000 I know Aubrey a little bit.

02:08:51.000 Do you have his number?

02:08:52.000 Yeah, I have his number.

02:08:53.000 We'll hit him up.

02:08:54.000 Contact him and talk to him about it because he's deep in this stuff.

02:08:57.000 You introduced me to him when I went down to your gym, the haunted gym.

02:09:01.000 Yeah, he's what I would call a real psychedelic warrior.

02:09:04.000 That guy, he's in there. 1.00

02:09:05.000 He's in there all the time with some crazy shit. 1.00

02:09:09.000 But there's the real benefits from it. 1.00

02:09:11.000 I mean, real, legit benefits.

02:09:12.000 And we've been really robbed, and it's terrible.

02:09:17.000 I mean, we've been lied to, and we've been robbed.

02:09:19.000 And there's a lot of people that use them recreationally, and I'm not against that. 0.97

02:09:24.000 I think you should be able to do whatever the fuck you want. 0.87

02:09:26.000 If you can drink whiskey recreationally, which I do, I don't think there's anything wrong with doing mushrooms recreationally. 0.99

02:09:31.000 And there's some people that think it's terrible and they're a sacrament.

02:09:35.000 You should always use them in a ritual, in a shamanic setting.

02:09:37.000 I say you should do that, too, if you want.

02:09:39.000 But I've used them recreationally. 0.99

02:09:41.000 I've had a great old fucking time. 0.94

02:09:42.000 And also came out of it with some insight and a different way of looking at myself and looking at my life. 0.98

02:09:48.000 Do you know that in this country, you have to list euphoria as a side effect to a supplement or a drug, right?

02:09:55.000 That's hilarious.

02:09:56.000 So euphoria is something that we all should have.

02:09:59.000 Like, we should all be happy, right?

02:10:00.000 So they're listed as a side effect as if it's a bad thing.

02:10:03.000 They experience euphoria. 1.00

02:10:04.000 Oh, shit. 1.00

02:10:04.000 I better not take that, right? 1.00

02:10:06.000 Super fucking happy. 0.97

02:10:07.000 But don't you think the things that induce euphoria, we should be handing those out like crazy? 0.99

02:10:12.000 Yeah.

02:10:12.000 It's weird.

02:10:13.000 People are too angry.

02:10:13.000 You think these pills are maybe like rehab pills kind of in a way?

02:10:16.000 Almost like treatment pills because they help you look from the inside out almost?

02:10:21.000 Well, for sure with MDMA, which you get in pill form, it's actually made from the bark of a tree.

02:10:26.000 Didn't we go over this the other day? 0.99

02:10:28.000 Where the fuck's it from? 1.00

02:10:29.000 Malaysia or some shit? 1.00

02:10:30.000 Something like that. 0.99

02:10:31.000 There's a tree, and there's a real issue now in this country where this bark is, because, you know, there's fucking wars going on to try to get this tree. 0.80

02:10:41.000 And it's not a very common tree, either. 0.97

02:10:43.000 I mean, it's rare, and we could be in a situation where they chop down all the fucking trees that make ecstasy before we make it legal. 0.96

02:10:50.000 They did it with kratom in Thailand. 0.96

02:10:51.000 So Thailand made Kratom illegal because it was cutting into the heroin trade.

02:10:56.000 This is back in 1947. They made it illegal and cut down almost all the Kratom trees.

02:11:01.000 And if you see the documentary that the guy did on Vice, Morris, Hamilton Morris.

02:11:07.000 Hamilton Morris.

02:11:07.000 Yeah, he did the Pharmacopia show on Kratom, and he goes to Thailand to find the only remaining Kratom tree.

02:11:15.000 And he finds it and drinks the real Kratom and all the stuff like that.

02:11:19.000 It was really kind of fascinating that they did that.

02:11:22.000 So now it all comes from Malaysia, Indonesia, whatever area. 0.99

02:11:25.000 It is crazy that they tried to stop the one thing that's safe because it was cutting into the fucking opium market. 0.99

02:11:31.000 Yeah, of course. 0.98

02:11:32.000 I like Kratom too.

02:11:33.000 I use it before I work out a lot of times.

02:11:35.000 Do you really?

02:11:35.000 Yeah, and even just for creativity.

02:11:37.000 Just like if I want to just sit down and write or think of new products or whatever it might be.

02:11:42.000 Really?

02:11:42.000 Kratom helps you in that way.

02:11:44.000 How so?

02:11:44.000 I like it a lot.

02:11:46.000 I don't know exactly what it does.

02:11:47.000 I don't know what the mechanism is behind it, but it does give me a sense of euphoria.

02:11:51.000 It does make me happier.

02:11:53.000 One thing I've always noticed about training is that when you feel good, you can lift so much better and it just makes you feel really good because You know, you're trying to lift with some force, just like you hitting these bags and stuff.

02:12:06.000 You're trying to put something into it.

02:12:08.000 And if you can't put the mustard on it that you want to because your shoulder hurts, it makes you grumpy.

02:12:13.000 This stuff really matters to us.

02:12:14.000 So for me, for lifting-wise, it's like I feel like I can go all in.

02:12:18.000 I was actually just saying the other day, when I'm sitting down...

02:12:21.000 And I go to get up, especially after some of these like squat workouts and stuff, it's kind of slow.

02:12:26.000 It takes me a minute.

02:12:27.000 But on Kratom, boom, I feel like I can get up and run out the door.

02:12:31.000 It feels like almost, I would consider it similar to getting out of a hot tub. 0.99

02:12:35.000 The way that you feel going into the hot tub, you're like, man, my shit's just kind of, I don't even know. 0.98

02:12:39.000 Everything's just stiff, right? 0.99

02:12:40.000 Can't get up and down the stairs so good.

02:12:42.000 I got to do the sideways trot down the stairs every morning.

02:12:46.000 And I get in the hot tub and I can zing up the stairs. 0.99

02:12:48.000 You know what's fucked up, man? 0.95

02:12:49.000 Sometimes I have pain in my hip when I don't run hills. 0.99

02:12:54.000 It doesn't make any sense, man.

02:12:56.000 And I've talked to doctors and they don't understand it.

02:12:58.000 I say, look, when I run hills every day, or not every day, every week, I run like two, three times a week, I got zero pain in that hip.

02:13:06.000 Could just be getting a lot of blood in the hip flexor.

02:13:09.000 I think running hills and running in sand I think is really, really valuable.

02:13:13.000 Even pushing sleds and stuff.

02:13:14.000 Because it slows us down.

02:13:16.000 Not that running can be great.

02:13:18.000 Sprints can be great.

02:13:19.000 But regular sprints for some of us who are over 40 and you haven't sprinted in a long time, probably not a great idea.

02:13:27.000 But to run up a hill or sprint up a hill, it makes you go slower because the intensity is higher.

02:13:32.000 And this doesn't seem... 0.98

02:13:33.000 I think that's it, but it's also I'm putting all this extra muscle around my hip and my ass. 0.97

02:13:39.000 Like, there's something about that. 0.96

02:13:40.000 Looks great.

02:13:41.000 Thank you very much.

02:13:42.000 Yeah.

02:13:44.000 But it's something about running up hills that, like, dude, did I take a couple weeks off?

02:13:49.000 Like, I was sick for a week, and then the week before that I was doing a lot of other different shit, and it starts to, like, get at me. 0.63

02:13:55.000 Your reverse hyper doesn't help with that? 0.96

02:13:58.000 Is it in the hip?

02:14:00.000 Is it in the front of the hip?

02:14:01.000 The side.

02:14:02.000 It's the side.

02:14:03.000 I don't know what it is.

02:14:04.000 You've got to get in on that hip circle.

02:14:05.000 Hip circle?

02:14:06.000 What's that?

02:14:06.000 I'll show you afterwards.

02:14:07.000 Oh, a band?

02:14:07.000 Yeah, the hip circle band.

02:14:08.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:14:09.000 Those are great.

02:14:10.000 It'll help you a lot. 0.97

02:14:10.000 It'll help build up that side ass, I like to call it. 0.97

02:14:12.000 Is that what it is? 1.00

02:14:13.000 Side ass? 0.99

02:14:14.000 But I'm telling you, man, there's nothing like running up hills. 0.98

02:14:16.000 And the hills that I run, it's all rocky terrain, so I'm jumping from one rock to the next, and it's steep like that.

02:14:22.000 So I'm running up, and I have to take a couple of breaks to get to the top.

02:14:26.000 It's a half a mile up and half a mile in.

02:14:28.000 I have two different courses that I run.

02:14:31.000 Well, I have several, but the ones that I run the most, the full length of it, I could run as long as four miles, or I could break it up into one or two.

02:14:40.000 Most of the time, I do two.

02:14:42.000 How long are your runs?

02:14:43.000 Two miles takes me about 40 minutes, because the hills...

02:14:49.000 It's not two hours.

02:14:50.000 I mean, it's not 40 minutes.

02:14:52.000 I could run, you know, probably do it in 15, 16 if I was running flat.

02:14:59.000 It wouldn't be that hard.

02:15:00.000 But it's hills.

02:15:02.000 It's not really...

02:15:03.000 I mean, I would call it running, but it's more like hill sprints.

02:15:06.000 I'm just doing these ruthless hill sprints.

02:15:07.000 And I'd read that a long time ago that a lot of football players prefer hill sprints.

02:15:12.000 And then I saw that...

02:15:14.000 Greg Jackson and Mike Winklejohn, when they train their fighters in Albuquerque, they have them run this crazy mountain.

02:15:20.000 And they're running straight up the hill.

02:15:22.000 And this was like a big thing that they did to really build up endurance.

02:15:26.000 Yeah, Walter Payton, Jerry Rice, Roger Craig.

02:15:28.000 This goes on and on.

02:15:29.000 Damian Tomlinson.

02:15:31.000 Walter Payton used to run hills until he'd throw up.

02:15:33.000 Yeah.

02:15:34.000 He would run hills until he threw up.

02:15:35.000 I think running hills is great, especially for bigger guys.

02:15:38.000 Guys that are 250, 260, 270, have joint problems.

02:15:42.000 Right.

02:15:42.000 It's going to be really hard to get out there and run.

02:15:44.000 Yeah, because it's not a pounding.

02:15:46.000 You're not dropping the weight down.

02:15:48.000 Instead, you're almost doing lunges over and over and over again.

02:15:52.000 Right.

02:15:52.000 And you can walk back down the hill.

02:15:54.000 Take your time.

02:15:54.000 You can walk back down the hill.

02:15:56.000 There's evidence that shows if you do five to eight sprints and you have long periods, you can have as much rest as you want in between.

02:16:02.000 You'll still get great results for fat burning.

02:16:05.000 So it doesn't take very long to do a workout like that.

02:16:08.000 It changes your cardio, too.

02:16:10.000 I mean, it really does. 0.99

02:16:11.000 I force him to do shit like that with me sometimes. 0.99

02:16:13.000 But you can't run, though, right, with your bad hips? 0.99

02:16:16.000 Not really run, but pushing a sled is really hard.

02:16:20.000 He has a thing called the tank, which is kind of an amazing sled with wheels that you push and you put weights on it.

02:16:27.000 So we push the tank.

02:16:28.000 We do all sorts of stuff like that that...

02:16:31.000 I can go on a rowing machine as fast as possible.

02:16:34.000 I can go on an aerodyne bike as fast as possible.

02:16:40.000 Did you see that one I got out there?

02:16:41.000 The Echo Bike from Rogue?

02:16:43.000 No, I haven't tried it. 1.00

02:16:44.000 It's a fucking tank. 1.00

02:16:46.000 It's like an aerodyne on steroids. 1.00

02:16:48.000 It's got these big-ass steel fucking handles. 1.00

02:16:50.000 Yeah, I saw it. 1.00

02:16:51.000 It looks nice.

02:16:51.000 It's so good.

02:16:52.000 It's so good.

02:16:53.000 That thing's ruthless, too.

02:16:54.000 Something as simple as that.

02:16:56.000 And those bikes, you can get them as cheap as like 500 bucks.

02:16:59.000 That thing will change your life.

02:17:00.000 Just do it, like Mark said, five to eight sprints on it a day.

02:17:03.000 Yeah.

02:17:03.000 When he comes up and trains with me.

02:17:06.000 When he comes up and trains with me, a lot of times he'll say, I can't do that.

02:17:10.000 I try to have everybody in these kind of big circuits that we do and we train our asses off and probably sometimes overdo it.

02:17:16.000 But when he joins us, a lot of times he'll say, I can't do this or I can't do that.

02:17:19.000 I'm like, well, you don't really know unless you try.

02:17:21.000 And I'm sympathetic towards the fake hips.

02:17:24.000 I don't have them, so I don't know exactly what it's like.

02:17:26.000 But I'm like, just try it or try a different variation of it.

02:17:30.000 He kind of won't, and then he'll kind of drift off, and the next minute I'll see him either trying it or doing some other version of it.

02:17:37.000 And I'm like, alright, good, it's working, because he's at least doing something, right? 0.99

02:17:41.000 Do you fuck with the VersaClimber? 0.99

02:17:42.000 Yeah, we do that a little bit. 1.00

02:17:44.000 Sometimes.

02:17:44.000 That thing's brutal.

02:17:45.000 That thing makes you hate your life.

02:17:47.000 We do a circuit with that, and I have a bike that's on steroids, too.

02:17:52.000 It's from Australia. 0.99

02:17:53.000 I forget the name of that damn thing. 0.99

02:17:54.000 Yeah, the cross trainer, too. 0.99

02:17:55.000 Oh, yeah, we have the ski erg thing.

02:17:58.000 Oh, those things are ruthless.

02:17:59.000 Yeah, we use that and the rower.

02:18:00.000 And we do a circuit of all three or four of those exercises, yeah. 0.94

02:18:04.000 That's fucking awesome. 0.75

02:18:05.000 Yeah, we started adding in a lot more things like that and cardio and stuff like that because I'm 45. He's, how old are you, 41? 0.95

02:18:13.000 41, yeah.

02:18:14.000 So as we get older, you start looking into things where you want to be healthy.

02:18:19.000 You want to do it for your health.

02:18:20.000 So thinking about those things, we definitely, I don't care about power lifting anymore.

02:18:25.000 I don't care about my numbers.

02:18:26.000 I want to lift heavy weights consistently, but I don't care what the single rep max is anymore.

02:18:32.000 It doesn't matter.

02:18:32.000 Right.

02:18:34.000 When you talk about your diet and its impact on inflammation, do you ever think that if you got on this diet when you were younger, you wouldn't have had to get hip replacements?

02:18:42.000 Yeah, I do.

02:18:44.000 I really do.

02:18:44.000 I think if I did it when I was younger...

02:18:47.000 Well, I don't know.

02:18:48.000 It really is about a decline in...

02:18:53.000 In tissue, you know, a decline in cartilage tissue, like where it was there when I was young and then it started disappearing.

02:19:00.000 And then by the time I was 28 years old, it was completely gone.

02:19:04.000 And this is because of inflammation and because of arthritis?

02:19:06.000 There's really no reason for it.

02:19:08.000 You know, my doctor said that lifting didn't cause it.

02:19:11.000 It might have sped it up, the fact that I needed to get the double hip replacement surgery.

02:19:16.000 But he said, like, this isn't something that, you know, lifting a weight causes.

02:19:19.000 A natural process in your body where your body's breaking down, you know, whatever.

02:19:24.000 So I don't know.

02:19:25.000 A good test will be five years from now how I feel, you know, because I have other joints in my body, a lot of them.

02:19:32.000 I was just going to ask you, like, how are your shoulders?

02:19:34.000 How are your elbows?

02:19:36.000 I screwed up my shoulder, I tore my rotator cuff, and I tore my tricep a while back, and they never really healed properly, so that's an issue.

02:19:46.000 But the rest of my other joints that aren't injured are all fine and feel good now, you know, so...

02:19:52.000 What about your knees?

02:19:52.000 Well, my knees were...

02:19:53.000 When I got my hip surgery 10 years ago, the doctor said to me, your knees are next and they need to be done probably like in a year, you know?

02:20:01.000 Oh, God!

02:20:02.000 So he told me that 10 years ago.

02:20:04.000 That doctor's got a Ferrari.

02:20:06.000 Yeah.

02:20:07.000 He's thinking about making payments on that condo in the Alps.

02:20:09.000 Yeah.

02:20:09.000 And I don't know.

02:20:11.000 I haven't had...

02:20:12.000 And then...

02:20:12.000 Let's see.

02:20:14.000 I'm trying to think of when this was.

02:20:15.000 I think like around when I finished Prescription Thug.

02:20:18.000 So maybe like two years ago.

02:20:20.000 I went to a doctor and I was just in so much pain.

02:20:24.000 And I said, look, I can't get back on opioids.

02:20:26.000 That was my problem.

02:20:27.000 But I need something.

02:20:29.000 And what was the pain in?

02:20:30.000 Everywhere.

02:20:31.000 Everywhere.

02:20:31.000 Every joint in my lower body, from my ankles, my knees, my hips.

02:20:35.000 And the guy basically just said, you need to go get a full-body MRI. So I get a full-body MRI, and he tells me that there's really nothing wrong with me.

02:20:42.000 And I'm like, I don't know what you're looking at, but I can't walk in the morning.

02:20:45.000 And he's like, ah, well, you don't really have cartilage in your knees.

02:20:50.000 That's going away, but you do have it in your ankles.

02:20:55.000 And he didn't really offer me any solutions.

02:20:57.000 And it was at that point where I realized...

02:21:00.000 If I'm going to do anything, a doctor's not going to be the one to help me.

02:21:03.000 So I think a lot of times people are always so concerned, like, did you ask a doctor?

02:21:07.000 And I'm always like, well, doctors never really helped me.

02:21:10.000 It's myself always helping me.

02:21:12.000 It's me researching things that cause me pain that really helped me.

02:21:16.000 So that's what I had to do, was go out and look for it myself. 0.99

02:21:21.000 Wow, so do you ever go back to that doctor and go, hey motherfucker, it's ten years later, I'm still walking, now I don't have any pain? 0.98

02:21:29.000 Yeah, I should go back to him and say, hey, you know, they screwed up my hip and they left a bad hip in me for two years and I went to the doctor and I went to my doctor and I said, doc, this is debilitating. 0.99

02:21:42.000 And so he takes a tissue box and he throws it on the ground.

02:21:46.000 And he says, pick that up.

02:21:47.000 And I pick it up.

02:21:48.000 And he said, you're using the wrong terminology.

02:21:50.000 It's not debilitating, or else you wouldn't be able to pick that up.

02:21:53.000 And I thought it was the rudest thing I've ever heard a doctor do or say.

02:21:57.000 Like, ruthless.

02:21:57.000 Like, really?

02:21:58.000 So I'm using the wrong word, but big deal.

02:22:00.000 I can't pick something up off the floor.

02:22:02.000 It hurts.

02:22:03.000 And I was trying to tell him, like, you don't understand.

02:22:05.000 This hurts.

02:22:06.000 And he's like, nah, you're not hurt.

02:22:07.000 You're fine.

02:22:07.000 He actually told me to go back to the gym and start lifting.

02:22:10.000 Oh my god.

02:22:11.000 And then two years later, he calls me back and he says, I know what's wrong with your hip.

02:22:14.000 We screwed it up.

02:22:15.000 Oh, Jesus.

02:22:16.000 Yeah, so...

02:22:17.000 Did you ever think about calling one of the doctors on late night TV? Yeah.

02:22:21.000 One of the injury doctors?

02:22:22.000 I don't think that's the way, you know...

02:22:23.000 You don't think that's the way to get paid?

02:22:25.000 I'm sure, yeah.

02:22:26.000 I mean, but... 1.00

02:22:27.000 See, they fucked you up, man. 1.00

02:22:29.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:22:29.000 Just sue the shit out of that asshole. 1.00

02:22:31.000 Those tissue box throwing douchebags. 1.00

02:22:34.000 Fuck them. 1.00

02:22:35.000 Part of what happened to you, too, is you had pain, right? 1.00

02:22:38.000 That was preventing you from moving more, right?

02:22:41.000 And then you just kind of stopped.

02:22:43.000 You did some cardio stuff for exercise, but you weren't able to squat, bench, deadlift.

02:22:47.000 You weren't able to get some full range of motion and therefore use it or lose it, right?

02:22:51.000 You lost range of motion.

02:22:52.000 When did the pain go away?

02:22:54.000 Well, I'm still in a lot of pain when I wake up every morning.

02:22:57.000 Are you?

02:22:58.000 Yeah, it goes away when I – the thing is that the diet has helped clear up like a lot of inflammation.

02:23:03.000 It's also helped clear up a lot of body fat, which helps you get into better, more advantageous positions when you're lifting, you know, that you can't – I couldn't even bend down to deadlift properly.

02:23:13.000 Yeah, your gut would get in the way and all that stuff like that.

02:23:15.000 So get rid of those things and that helps a lot.

02:23:18.000 Losing weight in general always is going to improve health markers and you're always going to feel lighter and better, you know, for the most part.

02:23:25.000 And then it was at this like losing weight.

02:23:28.000 And then when I started taking Kratom with a ketogenic diet, And really reduced my inflammation is when I started feeling better.

02:23:37.000 So it was sort of a combination of those two things and continuing to move.

02:23:42.000 It's a daily struggle.

02:23:44.000 It doesn't go away.

02:23:45.000 And this is because you're osteoarthritis?

02:23:47.000 Yeah.

02:23:47.000 So when you woke up this morning, like hard to get out of bed?

02:23:50.000 Yeah.

02:23:51.000 You know what?

02:23:51.000 Actually, this morning I felt good.

02:23:53.000 So you have good days and bad days. 0.99

02:23:55.000 Do you ever fuck with hot yoga? 0.98

02:23:58.000 I haven't, but I keep hearing you talk about it and I keep thinking like, man, that's just something I have to go do. 0.99

02:24:03.000 I was wondering how that would affect your hips. 0.99

02:24:05.000 Do you have full range of motion?

02:24:08.000 I think I would probably feel great, but right now I can't move enough to get in those positions, so I have to take a pre-yoga class to get into yoga.

02:24:16.000 No, no, no.

02:24:16.000 You just take a yoga class and you do your best.

02:24:18.000 They always say that, because there's a lot of people in my class that have some serious issues that can't move well, or there's this one lady who goes, and she's fucking courageous, man, because this lady's so overweight, and she goes to this yoga class and she does her best, and And I see her, and I want to say something to her,

02:24:34.000 but I don't want to say something to her. 0.98

02:24:36.000 I don't want to be the guy and go, hey, for a giant lady, you're fucking putting it up there. 1.00

02:24:42.000 I don't want to, like, you know? 0.97

02:24:43.000 I say hi, and I smile at her, but she's courageous.

02:24:47.000 She's every bit of 450, 500 pounds. 1.00

02:24:50.000 I'm just guessing.

02:24:52.000 She's enormous.

02:24:52.000 But she does it.

02:24:54.000 She tries.

02:24:55.000 She's got her arms up.

02:24:56.000 She's bending forward.

02:24:57.000 She's doing her best.

02:24:59.000 And if you just keep showing up, it'll get better.

02:25:02.000 Like, you're not going to be able to get into those positions initially, but if you keep showing up...

02:25:06.000 I think the hot yoga might help him because when he's warmed up, you move around really well.

02:25:11.000 That's what I'm saying. 0.99

02:25:12.000 In a workout, you're like, oh, fuck it, now I'm going to deadlift. 0.99

02:25:14.000 Once he's warmed up... 1.00

02:25:15.000 Yeah.

02:25:16.000 A lot of people don't warm up enough.

02:25:17.000 Right.

02:25:18.000 I agree with you 100%.

02:25:19.000 In a yoga class where it's already warm, that helps a lot, but...

02:25:23.000 People need to understand that the more intense the exercise is that you're going to do, the longer your warmup needs to be.

02:25:29.000 So if you're going for a two-hour walk, how much warmup do you need?

02:25:32.000 Probably none.

02:25:33.000 There's not a lot of intensity behind that.

02:25:35.000 But if you're trying to run 40-meter sprints, Then you better warm up for half an hour and probably minimum so you don't tear a hamstring.

02:25:42.000 Same thing with trying to bench heavy or squat heavy.

02:25:44.000 Not just the exercise itself either.

02:25:46.000 That's a mistake, I think.

02:25:48.000 I think you have to warm up with other means.

02:25:51.000 And the easiest way to warm up is through your upper body.

02:25:54.000 So you go in the gym and you can do curls and shoulder stuff if your shoulder's healthy.

02:25:58.000 That's the fastest way.

02:26:00.000 SkiErg is a great way. 1.00

02:26:01.000 The fastest, easiest way to warm up your body is through the upper body.

02:26:04.000 A lot of times our knees and our What do you mean?

02:26:06.000 Well, because like your knees and your lower back, I mean, just in general, this isn't everybody, but in general, a lot of people, the knees, the lower back and some of those things are going to take time to warm up.

02:26:16.000 And you can warm them up faster just by getting the upper body to move.

02:26:21.000 When you utilize your upper body, you get your heart rate up a little bit faster.

02:26:25.000 Right.

02:26:25.000 And it's just, it's more comfortable.

02:26:27.000 It's just easier.

02:26:28.000 It's easier for me to say, hey, you know, hold this band, pull it apart, do these curls.

02:26:33.000 Get some sweat going.

02:26:34.000 Yeah, just move your arms around.

02:26:35.000 Throw some punches.

02:26:36.000 Like, who can't throw punches?

02:26:37.000 Right.

02:26:38.000 Anyone can throw some punches.

02:26:39.000 I know a few guys.

02:26:40.000 I can't throw any good ones.

02:26:41.000 Yeah, no, you can't throw any good ones, yeah.

02:26:43.000 Yeah.

02:26:44.000 You just move around.

02:26:45.000 That's how you warm yourself up.

02:26:46.000 You got to make sure you warm yourself up.

02:26:47.000 I like to use the elliptical machine.

02:26:49.000 I do 10 minutes on an elliptical machine because there's nothing going on.

02:26:52.000 The intensity is so low.

02:26:54.000 That's great.

02:26:55.000 And there's no impact.

02:26:56.000 There's no nothing.

02:26:57.000 You do it at your own pace.

02:26:58.000 You're not really...

02:27:00.000 Another thing Mark and I do all the time is walk.

02:27:03.000 We walk every single day, and we started a thing like a 10-minute...

02:27:07.000 He has a hashtag 10-minute walk, and after you eat every time, right?

02:27:12.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:27:12.000 You try to do as many 10-minute walks in a day as you can.

02:27:15.000 I never tell anybody about that hashtag, because now they're going to put a bunch of pictures of dicks. 0.97

02:27:19.000 Hashtag 10-minute walks. 0.99

02:27:20.000 It's going to be all dicks now. 0.97

02:27:21.000 Hey, that's okay. 0.99

02:27:22.000 He likes that stuff.

02:27:23.000 Yeah, I get a lot of eggplants.

02:27:25.000 A lot of eggplants.

02:27:26.000 I don't know.

02:27:27.000 Now it's even worse because I said it here, right?

02:27:30.000 Is this like some inside joke about eggplants?

02:27:32.000 Tons of eggplants. 1.00

02:27:33.000 Well, the eggplant's a dick, right? 1.00

02:27:35.000 What kind of dick? 1.00

02:27:36.000 Right? 1.00

02:27:36.000 Is it? 1.00

02:27:37.000 Yeah, for sure.

02:27:38.000 100%.

02:27:38.000 Oh, I didn't know.

02:27:39.000 Yeah.

02:27:40.000 But I would see that emoji and be like, why is it an eggplant? 0.99

02:27:44.000 That's a dick. 0.99

02:27:44.000 That's so funny. 0.99

02:27:45.000 I'm so old.

02:27:47.000 I don't know anything the kids are doing these days. 0.99

02:27:49.000 I just found out about Lil B. I don't know shit. 0.91

02:27:52.000 Anyway, people should be going on a 10-minute walk. 0.98

02:27:55.000 It's low-hanging fruit.

02:27:55.000 It's easy to do.

02:27:56.000 Just, you know, try one a day.

02:27:58.000 It's not hard.

02:27:59.000 One thing I like to do is bodyweight squats, too.

02:28:01.000 I do those Hindu squats. 0.98

02:28:02.000 I'll do a set of 100, and it just gets everything warmed up, just everything loose.

02:28:06.000 You get your legs burning pretty good.

02:28:07.000 Yeah, in a weird spot, right?

02:28:08.000 Like your quads near your knee.

02:28:10.000 Upper knee.

02:28:11.000 Yeah, like right here. 0.99

02:28:13.000 This part, like right where your knee connects with your quad, that shit gets fired up. 0.99

02:28:17.000 What about a wall sit? 0.99

02:28:19.000 How come a wall sit's so hard? 0.99

02:28:20.000 It's fucking hard. 0.99

02:28:22.000 I did that the other day. 0.99

02:28:23.000 It was brutal. 0.99

02:28:23.000 That's the hardest fucking exercise there is, isn't it? 0.99

02:28:26.000 Well, in karate, they would have you stand at a horse dance for long periods of time, just like this. 0.99

02:28:31.000 Just standing at a horse dance.

02:28:33.000 Like, how hard could this be? 0.99

02:28:34.000 A minute in, you're like, oh shit, how long am I supposed to do this for? 0.98

02:28:38.000 You're not even leaning up against the wall. 0.99

02:28:39.000 Yeah, no lean up against the wall.

02:28:41.000 Just a deep squat.

02:28:45.000 And how long would you stand there for?

02:28:46.000 I never did it.

02:28:48.000 My instructor was never into that.

02:28:50.000 I took karate for a very short period of time.

02:28:53.000 That's a karate thing. 0.69

02:28:54.000 I was in Taekwondo.

02:28:55.000 We never did that.

02:28:55.000 Karate Kid's coming back.

02:28:57.000 Oh my god.

02:28:58.000 Do you know about that?

02:28:59.000 Is it Will Smith Jr. again?

02:29:00.000 No, no, it's Cobra Kai.

02:29:02.000 It's a show about the Cobra Kai.

02:29:03.000 It's like Netflix, I think.

02:29:05.000 It's about the bad guys?

02:29:06.000 It's on Netflix, yeah.

02:29:06.000 It's on YouTube.

02:29:07.000 But Ralph Macchio's in it, and he comes in, and he has a competing dojo, I believe.

02:29:11.000 How old is Ralph Macchio now?

02:29:13.000 50?

02:29:14.000 32. At least.

02:29:16.000 He looks great.

02:29:17.000 Like, what is that guy on? 1.00

02:29:19.000 Ralph Macho is on some youth shit. 0.99

02:29:22.000 Oh, look at this guy. 1.00

02:29:23.000 Look at Cobra Kai.

02:29:24.000 Let me see this.

02:29:24.000 Strike hard.

02:29:25.000 Oh, push-ups.

02:29:26.000 Oh, terrible punches.

02:29:28.000 Who's teaching these people?

02:29:29.000 No mercy.

02:29:31.000 Is there any particular way you want me to wash your windows?

02:29:34.000 Oh, God. 0.99

02:29:34.000 No, I don't give a shit. 0.99

02:29:37.000 Just shut that off. 1.00

02:29:38.000 That was great.

02:29:38.000 Shut that off right now.

02:29:39.000 That was great.

02:29:40.000 There you go. 1.00

02:29:41.000 That is the fucking trailer. 1.00

02:29:44.000 We need an MMA movie. 1.00

02:29:45.000 Get to work.

02:29:46.000 There was one, Warrior.

02:29:47.000 Warrior is good. 0.99

02:29:49.000 The only problem with that movie is they had people fight over a couple days, which is just like, shut the fuck up. 1.00

02:29:54.000 They did a bunch of stupid shit they didn't have to do in that movie. 1.00

02:29:57.000 They just... 1.00

02:29:58.000 You don't have people...

02:30:00.000 You can have people fight more than one time in a night.

02:30:03.000 Yeah.

02:30:03.000 But if you really think someone can get in a brawl and then...

02:30:05.000 You've never seen anybody fight and then see what they look like the next day.

02:30:08.000 Because I remember when Ken Shamrock fought Tito Ortiz and then I ran into him the next day. 0.98

02:30:13.000 I was like, holy shit, Ken. 0.97

02:30:15.000 His whole face was swollen up. 0.99

02:30:16.000 He had sunglasses on.

02:30:18.000 That guy is not fighting anybody today.

02:30:20.000 I mean, he would. 1.00

02:30:21.000 He's a fucking animal. 1.00

02:30:22.000 But that's not healthy. 1.00

02:30:23.000 Yeah.

02:30:23.000 Like, your body's dealing with all the...

02:30:25.000 I don't even like when they fight more than one time in a night. 0.97

02:30:27.000 And they got away with that back in the day, and I know Glory still does that for some of their kickboxing tournaments, but it's just fucking dangerous. 0.96

02:30:34.000 It's just not smart. 0.94

02:30:35.000 Guys get concussed, and then they fight again an hour later, two hours later.

02:30:39.000 That's crazy. 0.98

02:30:39.000 Smashing Machine was a fucking awesome movie. 0.98

02:30:41.000 That's my favorite documentary ever. 0.98

02:30:43.000 That is a great...

02:30:45.000 And that's an accidental find.

02:30:47.000 That's one of those documentaries...

02:30:47.000 An amazing doc.

02:30:49.000 That is a lot like that movie, Icarus, where they started to do one thing...

02:30:54.000 And they found another. 0.92

02:30:55.000 Yeah, they found something way fucking crazier. 0.83

02:30:57.000 And that's a documentary on Mark Kerr, who's one of the scariest MMA fighters of all time. 0.90

02:31:03.000 And he was juice to the taste.

02:31:06.000 Yeah.

02:31:07.000 But there was such an ironic thing with him where he was an animal, but he was so afraid to actually fight, which was really cool.

02:31:15.000 That was such an interesting angle.

02:31:18.000 He'd say before he goes out to the cage every time, he's like, I can barely take a sip of water because I'm so nervous.

02:31:24.000 Yeah.

02:31:24.000 Because that kills people.

02:31:26.000 I was around when Mark Kerr first started competing.

02:31:29.000 He's one of the first guys that ever saw, first of all, he was a giant.

02:31:33.000 They used to call him the specimen for a while, then they called him the smashing machine. 0.98

02:31:38.000 But he's the first guy that ever saw that submitted someone with a, look at that, get the fuck out of here. 0.94

02:31:44.000 Mark's like, I can improve that. 0.95

02:31:46.000 I can just get him in my gym.

02:31:48.000 But look at that.

02:31:49.000 Just keep that up there for a second.

02:31:50.000 Those traps.

02:31:51.000 When he was at the UFC, he submitted someone with a chin to the eye socket. 0.96

02:31:56.000 He held the back of the dude's head and got his chin in the guy's eye socket and just fucking drove his chin into his eye socket. 0.95

02:32:03.000 Dan Bobish. 0.96

02:32:04.000 Yeah, first time I ever saw somebody submit someone that way.

02:32:07.000 But seriously, everybody asks me what my favorite documentary is because that's what I do.

02:32:10.000 And without even hesitation, I always say Smashing Machine.

02:32:13.000 It's a great documentary.

02:32:14.000 It hit me on so many levels.

02:32:15.000 It was great.

02:32:16.000 It really reminded me of our older brother.

02:32:18.000 He reminded me a lot of Mad Dog.

02:32:20.000 Wow.

02:32:21.000 Mark Kerr.

02:32:22.000 Well, you know, he had a substance abuse problem.

02:32:24.000 And he was also like a guy at the time.

02:32:27.000 It was the early days of MMA. I mean, he was fighting back when...

02:32:31.000 It was just crazy, raw, bare knuckles and fighting in these weird rings and shit. 0.86

02:32:37.000 He was the early, early days of MMA. You ever read the book Blood in the Cage? 0.75

02:32:42.000 I read some of it.

02:32:43.000 It's really good.

02:32:44.000 I never finished it.

02:32:45.000 You had Pat on last week.

02:32:47.000 I still want to do a film with Pat, a scripted film.

02:32:51.000 We've been talking about it.

02:32:52.000 We talked about it a long time ago, and now I have a little bit of clout now.

02:32:55.000 I'm starting to talk about it again.

02:32:57.000 But his life was insane.

02:32:59.000 He had two brothers that died, and one brother that ended up going to jail for like 15 years, and he was the runt of the family, and he ended up becoming the first ever UFC lightweight champion.

02:33:09.000 Which is just overcoming adversity like crazy.

02:33:12.000 It's an amazing story. 0.96

02:33:13.000 You know, Pat's neck was so fucked up that his discs fused together on their own. 0.99

02:33:18.000 Wow. 0.99

02:33:18.000 That's incredible. 0.99

02:33:19.000 He had so much degeneration of his discs that the two bones, they sat on top of each other for so long that they fused.

02:33:26.000 The part where people accused him of having an operation.

02:33:29.000 Like, he had an issue where a doctor said that he had an operation. 0.99

02:33:33.000 He's like, I never had a fucking operation. 1.00

02:33:34.000 Like, your neck, your fucking... 1.00

02:33:37.000 The two bones, they have no disc in the middle, and now they're fused together. 0.99

02:33:41.000 I've never even heard of that before.

02:33:42.000 Have you ever heard of that before?

02:33:43.000 No. 0.97

02:33:43.000 You know how fucking tough you have to be to deal with the kind of pain where your neck is fusing itself? 0.97

02:33:48.000 Your neck is like, this asshole is not going to go to a doctor, so we're going to be the doctor. 0.99

02:33:53.000 When you see what he went through, he's probably one of the toughest people in the world. 1.00

02:33:56.000 He's been through a lot.

02:33:58.000 Very smart dude, too.

02:33:59.000 When you talk to him, he's there.

02:34:01.000 He's all there.

02:34:01.000 Long career in MMA. He fought Dan Severn.

02:34:05.000 Finish that book if you get a chance.

02:34:06.000 It's amazing.

02:34:07.000 Listen to the audio book when you run or something.

02:34:09.000 It's great.

02:34:10.000 Really good book.

02:34:12.000 Yeah, it's those old days.

02:34:14.000 There's nothing like them.

02:34:15.000 It'll never happen again.

02:34:16.000 What's great about that book, also, it tells the whole story of how the UFC started, how it got started and all the players involved, and it tells that whole story, which is really cool.

02:34:26.000 Who wrote it?

02:34:26.000 John Wertheim, Sports Illustrated.

02:34:28.000 Really, really good writer.

02:34:30.000 That guy's written a lot of good stuff.

02:34:31.000 He wrote a great book on pool, too.

02:34:33.000 Yeah, he wrote a book on...

02:34:34.000 About Kid Delicious.

02:34:35.000 Yeah, he wrote the pool book.

02:34:37.000 He wrote a book on statistics and how they sort of point shave and all that stuff like that in basketball.

02:34:42.000 Yeah.

02:34:42.000 No, he's a very good writer.

02:34:44.000 Okay, cool.

02:34:47.000 When do you think this documentary is going to come out?

02:34:50.000 The Nutrition one or the Kratom one?

02:34:52.000 Well, the Kratom one is going to come out soon, right? 1.00

02:34:53.000 May 29th.

02:34:54.000 What's it going to be on?

02:34:55.000 Where can people get it?

02:34:57.000 Well, hopefully it will be on Netflix, Amazon, whatever.

02:34:59.000 I'm not sure exactly where it will be yet.

02:35:01.000 We've partnered with The Orchard, and they're the distribution company, so right now they're in the process of figuring out where it will be.

02:35:08.000 But I'll let everybody know.

02:35:10.000 It'll probably start out, to tell you the truth, on iTunes is the normal route.

02:35:14.000 And then you let it play on iTunes for a while.

02:35:18.000 There's a whole system to it because it makes money in different ways, different places.

02:35:23.000 Unfortunately, for documentary filmmakers, Netflix is sort of your graveyard at the end because you want it to be on Netflix because everybody has access to it.

02:35:32.000 But as a filmmaker, they really shaft you.

02:35:35.000 Do they?

02:35:35.000 How?

02:35:36.000 Because they buy the film from the distribution company, and then all that money just goes back to the investor, and it's like, I don't see any money out of it.

02:35:47.000 So the only way to make documentaries and make them profitable is make them really, really cheap, and a lot of times we don't do that, so we end up losing some money on it a lot of times.

02:35:56.000 I'm paying for this one.

02:35:57.000 It's just the way it works.

02:35:57.000 Are you?

02:35:58.000 You financing it?

02:35:58.000 Yeah, this nutrition movie, yeah.

02:36:00.000 The Meathead Millionaire Money?

02:36:01.000 Yeah.

02:36:03.000 100%.

02:36:03.000 Yeah.

02:36:04.000 But, you know, the advantage of doing a food documentary is they do really well.

02:36:08.000 So with a food documentary, you have a chance to really make a profit, where, as the other stuff, it's really difficult.

02:36:14.000 Did you patent the term Meathead Millionaire yet?

02:36:17.000 Trademarked, yeah.

02:36:17.000 Did you?

02:36:18.000 I got all kinds of stupid shit trademarked. 1.00

02:36:20.000 Nice. 1.00

02:36:20.000 That's a good thing. 1.00

02:36:21.000 That's a good thing to trademark.

02:36:21.000 That was my nickname for him.

02:36:23.000 Yeah. 0.87

02:36:24.000 Meathead millionaire.

02:36:25.000 Well, I know that Icarus did really well, and it did really well for Brian Fogle, you know, but that is a groundbreaking, life-changing documentary.

02:36:34.000 Also, things break out like that.

02:36:35.000 Like that movie, first of all, it was involved.

02:36:38.000 You know, when we did Bigger, Stronger, Faster, there wasn't an international scandal going on that we sort of happened to be following.

02:36:45.000 Stepped in shape.

02:36:45.000 Yeah, so in a way, he got lucky with that, but he also made a great film.

02:36:51.000 He took it and made it into something really good.

02:36:52.000 So I think that was cool.

02:36:54.000 But what a crazy movie that was.

02:36:58.000 We didn't have something like that in the movie.

02:37:00.000 We didn't have somebody admitting to steroids.

02:37:02.000 That was huge.

02:37:04.000 When it came out at Sundance, it was sort of a shocker to a lot of people.

02:37:07.000 Like, this is at Sundance?

02:37:08.000 This is crazy.

02:37:09.000 I can't believe this is at Sundance.

02:37:12.000 And it did really well.

02:37:13.000 It got really good reviews.

02:37:14.000 It did really well, but it didn't have that one thing that broke it out and made it supersize me.

02:37:19.000 There was something missing, some element where it wasn't a thing that everybody had to see, although it was a really great film, I think.

02:37:27.000 It just didn't have that one thing.

02:37:29.000 I thought it was really great as well, but yeah, he got super lucky.

02:37:33.000 While he's doing that.

02:37:34.000 You can see what I'm saying.

02:37:35.000 There wasn't that one thing where you have to see it because of this thing. 0.96

02:37:38.000 Yeah, because the thing about cheating in the Olympic Games, it's always been suspected, but to get it so confirmed, where you have the guy that did it, and he's running from the Russian mob, or whatever you want to call them, and they're trying to fucking kill him, and now he's in hiding.

02:37:54.000 He's still in hiding to this day in America in protective custody, and they're looking for him.

02:37:58.000 They're looking for him.

02:38:00.000 I think it's crazy, first of all, that he did the film.

02:38:03.000 And I think, secondly, it's crazy that he wasn't even a little bit more protected, at least by the filmmaker.

02:38:11.000 I thought the filmmaker kind of threw him under the bus a little bit.

02:38:14.000 How so?

02:38:15.000 He wanted to be in the film.

02:38:17.000 Yeah, I know.

02:38:17.000 It was weird, though.

02:38:18.000 It started to feel weird.

02:38:20.000 In what way?

02:38:20.000 I felt like...

02:38:23.000 I don't know.

02:38:24.000 How could he protect him?

02:38:25.000 By changing his name?

02:38:26.000 The Russians knew who he was.

02:38:28.000 Yeah, I don't know.

02:38:29.000 I just felt like it was...

02:38:30.000 I don't know.

02:38:32.000 I felt like it was a little reckless as a filmmaker.

02:38:34.000 I just felt like it was...

02:38:35.000 What would you do differently?

02:38:51.000 Yeah, no.

02:38:57.000 What changed after that was that the Russians essentially are barred from the Olympics and now they compete under the Olympic flag.

02:39:03.000 Well, what's interesting is they had Don Catlin in there and Don Catlin's a guy for America that does the same thing.

02:39:09.000 Does he?

02:39:09.000 And he was going to be the first guy.

02:39:11.000 Remember then he backed out and he said, I'll give you the Russian guy because he knew the Russian guy would talk.

02:39:15.000 What do you mean he does it for America?

02:39:16.000 He's the guy that's our doping control.

02:39:19.000 Our doping control guy.

02:39:21.000 He's our USADA guy.

02:39:24.000 He's the guy that did all the drug tests for the Olympics from the 80s on.

02:39:29.000 Right, but he's not the guy that dopes up the Americans.

02:39:32.000 It's got to be really clear when you say that.

02:39:34.000 He doesn't dope.

02:39:34.000 He's the guy that tests them.

02:39:36.000 Right.

02:39:36.000 We should tell people what Icarus is, too, if they don't know what we're talking about.

02:39:39.000 So this would be a standalone podcast.

02:39:41.000 It's a documentary that Brian Fogel made where he decided to ride his bike in a race clean, completely clean, and then do it on steroids to see what his times would be, how much benefit he would have.

02:39:55.000 And in the process of him filming this documentary, the guy who hooked him up, this guy Grigory from Russia, who was the head, Unbeknownst to him, of the Russian state-sponsored doping program.

02:40:07.000 He thought he was getting a guy who was like the Russian USADA, that it was going to tell him what the cheaters use.

02:40:15.000 But it turned out, along the way, everything got exposed, and he was like, look, I did this for 40 years, I dope everybody, everybody on drugs. 1.00

02:40:22.000 And he said every fucking single athlete that was in the Olympics was on some shit. 1.00

02:40:27.000 And then he explained how they did it, and everybody was like, what the fuck? 1.00

02:40:31.000 And then... 0.99

02:40:32.000 They were going to pull the Russians, and then the other thing that he exposed is the collusion between WADA and the IOC, and that they all work for each other, and they switch fucking roles, and they go back and forth with each other, and that they're not going to punish the Russians. 0.68

02:40:46.000 But what they're doing now is they kind of have to because of that movie.

02:40:50.000 I mean, that movie literally changed the Olympics.

02:40:53.000 I guess what I'm saying is when I did Bigger, Stronger, Faster, and we're going around talking to the experts, you know?

02:40:58.000 A lot of the experts, they would mention Don Catlin, and I'd be like, what's up with Don Catlin?

02:41:02.000 And they'd say, oh man, if you get him to talk, I mean, the sports world will just crumble.

02:41:07.000 And everybody kept saying that.

02:41:08.000 I heard it from like four different people that are experts.

02:41:11.000 They just said, like, nobody would believe in sports if that guy exposed what he knew.

02:41:16.000 And so then I interviewed Don Catlin, but he just laughed when I asked him that.

02:41:19.000 He's like, ah, they don't know what they're talking about, you know, kind of thing.

02:41:21.000 I gotta go!

02:41:22.000 Yeah, I'll see you later.

02:41:23.000 I'll see you guys later.

02:41:25.000 And I said, well, look, Charles Esalas is an expert.

02:41:27.000 He said the whole sports world would crumble if they knew what you knew.

02:41:30.000 What do you know?

02:41:31.000 And he said, I don't know anything.

02:41:33.000 Wow.

02:41:35.000 You're never going to get an answer like that.

02:41:36.000 Something has to get exposed through a different way.

02:41:39.000 Right.

02:41:39.000 I can't say beyond a shadow of a doubt that that's the truth, but I'm suspicious of that guy, I should say, and suspicious of our system.

02:41:50.000 I don't think they're the only ones doing it.

02:41:52.000 There's no way they're the only ones doing it.

02:41:53.000 China had a record number of gold medals when they hosted it in Beijing.

02:41:58.000 But I think we're doing it just as bad as they are.

02:42:01.000 We're doing it better, obviously.

02:42:03.000 We're not getting caught.

02:42:04.000 So when you say we, do you think there's a state-sponsored American doping program like they have in Russia?

02:42:10.000 I don't think state-sponsored, but I think like maybe...

02:42:13.000 There's some people doing something somewhere.

02:42:15.000 There's some sort of network going on.

02:42:16.000 Some shenanigans.

02:42:17.000 Look, if there's one Balco, there's ten. 1.00

02:42:20.000 There's got to be more than one Balco. 1.00

02:42:21.000 You think so?

02:42:22.000 There's got to be more than one guy that's like, you know, telling people what to take. 1.00

02:42:27.000 There's a lot of that shit out there. 0.99

02:42:29.000 But listen, man, keep me posted on your movie. 0.99

02:42:31.000 Let us know when this nutrition...

02:42:34.000 Do you have a name for it yet?

02:42:35.000 We've been talking about the war on carbs, but we've been debating whether or not that's the right move.

02:42:40.000 It's a very catchy thing, especially now, because people are so aware.

02:42:44.000 There's so many people that are switching to low-carb, high-fat diets and having some pretty spectacular results.

02:42:49.000 Yeah.

02:42:50.000 I mean, there's a lot of evidence behind it.

02:42:52.000 You were saying before, I'd like to see somebody take all these diets and compare them.

02:42:58.000 And they did that in the 70s or the 80s.

02:43:01.000 I forget when it was.

02:43:02.000 It was Dr. Gardner from Stanford.

02:43:05.000 And he was a vegetarian, so he took a vegan diet, vegetarian diet.

02:43:08.000 The Atkins diet was the diet at the time.

02:43:10.000 It wasn't like a keto diet.

02:43:12.000 The Dash diet and the Ornish diet, and he put them all together.

02:43:16.000 And they did a lot, like a pretty big elaborate, I don't know how big it was, so I don't want to say, but a pretty elaborate study.

02:43:21.000 And at the end of the day, the Atkins diet basically won.

02:43:25.000 Most weight loss, best health marker improvement.

02:43:27.000 Atkins diet, and the guy was a vegetarian, and he said at the end of the study, this was a really tough pill to swallow.

02:43:33.000 You know, and I think that's a really interesting thing.

02:43:35.000 They did this study.

02:43:36.000 Did you know that Atkins had a bunch of heart attacks, had coronary heart disease, and was 258 pounds when he died?

02:43:43.000 Yeah.

02:43:44.000 And someone was saying...

02:43:46.000 I heard that stuff wasn't true, though.

02:43:48.000 No, no, no.

02:43:49.000 That is true.

02:43:50.000 No, that's how big he was when he died, and he definitely had heart disease.

02:43:53.000 So he did.

02:43:54.000 He definitely did.

02:43:54.000 He did.

02:43:54.000 But the question is...

02:43:56.000 Did he have heart disease before he did this diet?

02:43:58.000 Was he even on his own diet? 0.99

02:44:00.000 I mean, was his diet based on science and fact and efficacy, but did he follow it or did he just eat ice cream and fuck off all day? 0.99

02:44:08.000 We don't know. 1.00

02:44:09.000 But he died by hitting his head, right?

02:44:10.000 Fell and hit his head?

02:44:11.000 He fell and hit his head, but...

02:44:14.000 See, this all came from a tweet that I read from John Joseph from the Cro-Mags, who's a pretty rampant rabid vegan and a badass triathlete and very, very athletic guy, right? 0.92

02:44:28.000 He was the one that said that, and I was like, wow, is that true?

02:44:31.000 And he said that the guy died of a heart attack and that his wife was covering it up.

02:44:35.000 So I went to look into it, and it's very difficult to say because even Snopes had it as inconclusive.

02:44:43.000 Yeah.

02:44:43.000 Yeah, it's like, ooh.

02:44:45.000 Like, he might have had a heart attack and fell and hit his head.

02:44:48.000 I mean, the guy had heart disease.

02:44:49.000 But the question is, look, some people have heart disease and it's congenital.

02:44:53.000 They're born with issues.

02:44:55.000 There are people that are more, I mean, they're just more likely to have heart attacks.

02:45:00.000 Just like there's some people that are more likely to have strokes and more likely to have arthritis.

02:45:04.000 There's just issues that people have.

02:45:05.000 So we don't know whether or not he was born with that or if he had that. 0.99

02:45:09.000 But also, if he's at 258 pounds, He clearly isn't following his fucking diet unless he's a giant. 0.98

02:45:15.000 How old was he? 0.99

02:45:17.000 He was an old guy.

02:45:18.000 He was in his 70s, I believe.

02:45:19.000 Maybe late 60s.

02:45:21.000 Pull up the wiki on him.

02:45:25.000 On Dr. Atkins.

02:45:28.000 What was his name?

02:45:29.000 Robert Atkins, I think.

02:45:31.000 Robert Atkins.

02:45:31.000 How he died.

02:45:32.000 Yeah, that's the thing.

02:45:35.000 We're talking about him, the guy, but the diet that he created is different than the actual guy, right?

02:45:40.000 And we don't know if he was doing his diet.

02:45:41.000 So the people that were doing his diet that were in the study, they ended up coming out on top, is all I'm saying.

02:45:47.000 What's like the guy who created CrossFit?

02:45:49.000 He's not in shape.

02:45:50.000 Right.

02:45:51.000 Greg Glassman?

02:45:52.000 Yeah.

02:45:52.000 You ever see him?

02:45:53.000 Yeah, he's got some issues, I believe, some injuries and stuff that don't allow him to do all the stuff that CrossFit does.

02:45:59.000 Right.

02:46:00.000 He's 72 and he died.

02:46:02.000 Days prior to his death, he fell and hit his head on an icy New York pavement.

02:46:07.000 New York's blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, admitted April 8th.

02:46:10.000 He underwent surgery to remove a blood clot in his brain but went into a coma.

02:46:14.000 So, we don't know.

02:46:16.000 I mean, it says that's how he fell and he hit his head.

02:46:18.000 We don't know why he fell and it may very well have been that.

02:46:21.000 But here it says, the medical examiner's office a year after his death showed that Atkins had a history of heart attack.

02:46:27.000 Oh, yeah.

02:46:29.000 Congestive heart failure.

02:46:30.000 What is congestive heart failure?

02:46:32.000 And hypertension.

02:46:33.000 Congestive means...

02:46:34.000 Okay, that's not good.

02:46:35.000 His widow refused to allow an autopsy.

02:46:38.000 Oh, that's interesting.

02:46:39.000 That is interesting because his widow refused to allow an autopsy because this guy wasn't healthy and maybe wasn't even following his own advice.

02:46:47.000 What was his weight when he died?

02:46:49.000 Maybe because he's going to get ripped.

02:46:50.000 Does it say that, Jamie?

02:46:51.000 His wife might have felt that he's going to get ripped apart in his death, and she didn't want that.

02:46:56.000 72 years old.

02:46:57.000 See if you can find out what his weight was when he died, because I'm pretty sure he was 258 pounds. 1.00

02:47:03.000 And if you're 258 pounds at 72 years old, that shit ain't good. 0.99

02:47:09.000 Does it say his weight? 0.99

02:47:13.000 I'm very, very sure that he was very heavy.

02:47:17.000 Just Google Robert Atkins, 258 pounds when he died.

02:47:21.000 I'm pretty sure that's how...

02:47:22.000 So here's the thing.

02:47:24.000 Was that from the diet?

02:47:25.000 I mean, how's that possible?

02:47:28.000 I mean, if the guy is making people lose weight on this diet and he himself is fat and he himself has serious heart failure.

02:47:34.000 Yeah.

02:47:35.000 258 pounds at his death.

02:47:37.000 The release report by New York City officials outraged the Atkins people.

02:47:41.000 So he had a history of heart attacks and congestive heart failure and 258 pounds.

02:47:47.000 I don't think he exercised, did he?

02:47:48.000 He probably didn't, but that doesn't mean anything.

02:47:51.000 I mean, he overate, obviously, too.

02:47:52.000 But it's like, was the guy following his own advice?

02:47:55.000 We don't know.

02:47:56.000 There's a lot of people that...

02:47:57.000 Look, ice cream is tempting.

02:48:00.000 Spaghetti's tempting.

02:48:01.000 You know, who doesn't like a good meatball sub every now and again?

02:48:04.000 Who knows?

02:48:04.000 At the end of the day, we're all in this race who can see who's going to live the longest, right?

02:48:09.000 And I think that's, there's still no, like, real conclusive proof.

02:48:13.000 Is there that one diet, people live longer over the other?

02:48:16.000 Well, forget about live the longest, because that's really out of your control.

02:48:19.000 What about the quality of life while you're alive?

02:48:20.000 That's what I think about. 0.99

02:48:21.000 If you're 258 pounds, your quality of life sucks, unless you're a giant. 0.99

02:48:25.000 Yeah. 0.98

02:48:25.000 Unless he's as big as Francis Ngannou, you know? 0.98

02:48:28.000 I mean, really, literally, that's like Ngannou's weight class.

02:48:31.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:48:31.000 How the fuck? 0.99

02:48:32.000 How is he that big? 1.00

02:48:34.000 Unless Atkins is his fucking giant jack gorilla. 0.99

02:48:37.000 I mean, how does he have 258 pounds? 1.00

02:48:40.000 That's not good.

02:48:41.000 I agree with you.

02:48:42.000 Quality of life.

02:48:43.000 If I'm here, if I'm going to get an extra two years, but I'm going to be weak and feeble and not able to do anything, are those two years worth it?

02:48:52.000 I feel that the best diet is the one you can follow.

02:48:55.000 And utilizing a ketogenic style diet, utilizing intermittent fasting, I think it helps kill hunger.

02:49:01.000 I think it helps kill cravings.

02:49:03.000 And so I think it's a diet that, in my opinion, is one of the easier diets to adapt to.

02:49:07.000 It might be hard for some people that really like carbs, and they might have to find something different.

02:49:11.000 But for me, it's always worked.

02:49:12.000 For him, it's always worked.

02:49:13.000 Well, his essential Atkins diet did put people into ketosis.

02:49:17.000 I mean, that was a big Yeah, but it wasn't really the goal of it.

02:49:22.000 It wasn't the goal to get... 1.00

02:49:23.000 He also had weird shit, too. 0.99

02:49:24.000 He had a lot of bars and things like that. 1.00

02:49:26.000 Yeah, Atkins bars.

02:49:27.000 You would intake sugar alcohol and a lot of things in there that probably are just not great for you, I'd imagine.

02:49:31.000 Those Atkins bars are really good if you like to fart.

02:49:34.000 Yeah, I mean, that stuff is...

02:49:35.000 You want to clear a room.

02:49:37.000 They make some crazy stuff.

02:49:39.000 They make chocolate caramel.

02:49:41.000 Anything that's going to be like that can't be good for you in any way, really.

02:49:46.000 Fake flavors.

02:49:47.000 Yeah, it's all fake, and that's hot.

02:49:49.000 I think whether you're doing a ketogenic diet, a vegan diet, or any diet, you should stick to real whole foods.

02:49:55.000 And one of the things Rob Wolf taught me, Buy things that don't have nutrition labels on them.

02:50:00.000 And just that simple thing, when you think about it, you're like, oh yeah, if I buy an apple...

02:50:04.000 Vegetables and meat and an apple.

02:50:06.000 Yeah, it doesn't have that.

02:50:07.000 And you're like, okay, gotcha.

02:50:08.000 All right, gentlemen, let's wrap this up.

02:50:10.000 Big Strong Fast on Twitter.

02:50:12.000 Mark Smelly Bell on Twitter.

02:50:14.000 Tell people about your gym.

02:50:16.000 I got Super Training Gym in West Sacramento.

02:50:18.000 The gym is free.

02:50:19.000 We're having a seminar April 22nd if you want to come check out the gym. 0.97

02:50:22.000 How the fuck do you survive with a gym that's free? 0.99

02:50:25.000 Head Millionaire. 0.99

02:50:25.000 It's because I got a lot of products. 0.99

02:50:27.000 I invented a product called the Slingshot.

02:50:28.000 So you let people just work out at your gym?

02:50:30.000 I let people just work out at my gym for free.

02:50:32.000 Guess what?

02:50:32.000 Good luck.

02:50:33.000 There's going to be a fucking cavalcade of psychopaths headed to your gym. 1.00

02:50:37.000 That's okay. 1.00

02:50:38.000 Beautiful.

02:50:38.000 We welcome it.

02:50:39.000 That's awesome, man.

02:50:40.000 I love helping other people.

02:50:41.000 I love teaching other people.

02:50:43.000 I love coaching other people. 1.00

02:50:44.000 You fucking beautiful human being. 1.00

02:50:45.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:50:46.000 All right.

02:50:47.000 Well, and tell people where it is again.

02:50:48.000 Check out my website, markbellslingshot.com, and Super Training Gym is in West Sacramento, California.

02:50:54.000 All right.

02:50:54.000 That's it, folks.

02:50:55.000 See you guys.

02:50:55.000 We'll be back tomorrow with Boss Rootin'.

02:50:57.000 Whoa! 0.71

02:51:00.000 Thank you so much.

02:51:01.000 That was awesome.

The Joe Rogan Experience - April 09, 2018

Joe Rogan Experience #1101 - Chris & Mark Bell

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