The Joe Rogan Experience - JRE MMA Show #21 with Brendan Schaub

00:00:02.000 Four, three, two, one.

00:00:05.000 And we're live!

00:00:08.000 This is a bummer of a fight week, but also an awesome fight week.

00:00:12.000 I'm very excited.

00:00:13.000 Did you see the latest countdown?

00:00:15.000 What is it?

00:00:16.000 All Access?

00:00:16.000 What do they call it?

00:00:17.000 No.

00:00:17.000 Embedded?

00:00:18.000 Embedded, yeah.

00:00:19.000 I'm always trying to come up with a name.

00:00:21.000 They're all the same, but All Access, Embedded, 24-7.

00:00:24.000 Embedded is very good.

00:00:25.000 I should remember the name.

00:00:27.000 It's very good.

00:00:28.000 They're all Yeah, they're all good.

00:00:29.000 And this new one is really good, because it's got Max Holloway running on a treadmill, two treadmills over from Nurmagomedov, who's also running on a treadmill.

00:00:38.000 And they're fucking very cool to each other.

00:00:39.000 They're cool. 0.93

00:00:40.000 It's very interesting.

00:00:40.000 Khabib thanked him for taking the fight, which he should.

00:00:43.000 Yeah.

00:00:43.000 Which he should.

00:00:43.000 Thanks for taking the fight.

00:00:44.000 And then they have the same weight coach.

00:00:47.000 Yeah.

00:00:47.000 That's crazy.

00:00:48.000 Lockhart, right?

00:00:49.000 Yeah, it's Lockhart.

00:00:50.000 Yeah, it's Lockhart.

00:00:51.000 That's right.

00:00:52.000 Is Lockhart working with Nurmagomedov as well?

00:00:54.000 Yes, both of them.

00:00:55.000 So Lockhart is legit.

00:00:59.000 He goes over calculations of how much you weigh, how much water you're going to take, and he's weighing things out.

00:01:05.000 It took him an hour and a half to do the calculations.

00:01:07.000 It wasn't like, hey, we're going to wing this.

00:01:10.000 It's like, no, [...

00:01:11.000 We're going to do this weight cut.

00:01:14.000 And he's got it down to the day.

00:01:16.000 It's six days to lose...

00:01:18.000 I think he was 171?

00:01:21.000 I was wondering, what did he start at?

00:01:23.000 Is it 171?

00:01:23.000 Yeah, so I think he's got to lose 16 pounds.

00:01:26.000 What's crazy is...

00:01:28.000 When Max was on my show, I was talking to him a little bit off air, and this is on record, I'm not spilling anything that he didn't say, but he just goes, you know, with the injury, Jesus Christ.

00:01:38.000 Embedded, I think, is better than that UFC, not UFC, the HBO ones.

00:01:43.000 I think it's better than all of them.

00:01:44.000 The 24-7?

00:01:45.000 Yeah.

00:01:45.000 How dare you.

00:01:45.000 I think it's better than all of them.

00:01:47.000 The 24-7 when there's a big fight?

00:01:48.000 Yeah, you know why?

00:01:49.000 Because this is raw. 0.99

00:01:51.000 Well, I think in general they're better because they do more of it, but a 24-7, they're fucking They're very good. 0.98

00:01:57.000 With Leif Shriver? 0.98

00:01:58.000 Oh, I love that guy.

00:01:59.000 Bro, watch your words, son.

00:02:00.000 I love that guy.

00:02:01.000 But I like these better.

00:02:02.000 Remember when they had the alley cat Leif Shriver?

00:02:04.000 Yeah.

00:02:04.000 He's like, tonight, here we go.

00:02:07.000 But it was nowhere near the same.

00:02:08.000 It was no good.

00:02:08.000 Yeah, it was horrible.

00:02:09.000 I like this because there's almost no narration, right?

00:02:13.000 Yeah.

00:02:13.000 It's almost just all the story.

00:02:14.000 It tells us the footage.

00:02:15.000 I want to see the footage.

00:02:16.000 I would have liked the video of when they called Max with the fight.

00:02:19.000 Because from what I heard, he goes, Khabib, that's the toughest guy in the world. 0.99

00:02:22.000 Fuck yeah, let's go. 1.00

00:02:23.000 Which is insane. 1.00

00:02:25.000 Wow.

00:02:25.000 Why don't they have a video of that?

00:02:27.000 No one knew.

00:02:28.000 I don't think they knew, you know, to turn the video on.

00:02:31.000 I don't think Max knew why they were calling.

00:02:33.000 That would be an amazing video.

00:02:35.000 Especially if he wins.

00:02:37.000 This is my thing with Max is I think Khabib is the toughest fight in the world on six days notice.

00:02:42.000 I'd rather fight anybody else in the world than Khabib on six days because his style and just his tenacity. 1.00

00:02:47.000 But for Max, win, lose, or draw, whatever happens Saturday night, if you don't respect and like him even more after this, you're a moron. 1.00

00:02:56.000 You're a fucking moron. 1.00

00:02:57.000 There's very few champions on a run like Max Holloway's on that would be willing to take this fight on six days notice. 1.00

00:03:03.000 And also, I should say, coming off of a broken foot.

00:03:07.000 Correct.

00:03:07.000 So he had to pull out of a fight with a broken foot with Frankie Edgar, which just happened.

00:03:12.000 So, I mean, how healed is he?

00:03:14.000 And like I said, on my show, he was saying, you know, I've been doing some jiu-jitsu, been in the swing of things.

00:03:19.000 For me, it's good because I haven't been balls deep into training.

00:03:23.000 I've just been in a little jiu-jitsu, you know, getting a light workout, but it gives me time with my family.

00:03:28.000 And he goes, you know this, in camp, you're present, but you're not, which is true.

00:03:32.000 And he goes, you know, so I'm going through it.

00:03:34.000 I'm with my son and the family, but I'm thinking about something else.

00:03:37.000 So this has been good for me to really focus on my family.

00:03:40.000 That was, what, two weeks ago?

00:03:42.000 Three weeks ago?

00:03:43.000 Wow.

00:03:43.000 So then, bam, you're fighting Khabib.

00:03:45.000 And the reason why he wants to fight Khabib is because he thinks Khabib's the best pound-for-pound fighter in the world.

00:03:50.000 Which is nuts because when you look at Khabib's resume, it's good.

00:03:54.000 It doesn't blow your hair back.

00:03:56.000 He's 25-0, for God's sake.

00:03:57.000 It's good.

00:03:58.000 But it's not like all this crazy...

00:04:20.000 D.C. said that he hand fights with him.

00:04:26.000 Like, DC's, well, the heavyweight Strikeforce champion.

00:04:29.000 He said, he goes, dude, we go to war.

00:04:31.000 We go to war.

00:04:32.000 War.

00:04:33.000 Like, imagine that?

00:04:34.000 DC's a gorilla. 0.83

00:04:36.000 He's jacked. 0.87

00:04:37.000 I mean, DC's got some body fat on him. 1.00

00:04:39.000 He's strong as a fucking ox. 1.00

00:04:41.000 DC's so goddamn talented. 1.00

00:04:43.000 He's so good. 0.98

00:04:44.000 It's not even funny.

00:04:45.000 Watch when DC throws Josh Barnett through the air.

00:04:48.000 When they fought Strikeforce, you just go, Jesus!

00:04:50.000 Remember when he did the Hendo? 0.76

00:04:52.000 He's a beast!

00:04:52.000 Dude!

00:04:52.000 Dude, the Hendo fight was offensive.

00:04:54.000 He's a goddamn American. 1.00

00:04:55.000 It was offensive. 1.00

00:04:57.000 He ragdolled Hendo.

00:04:58.000 And couldn't be a cooler guy.

00:05:01.000 The nicest guy ever.

00:05:02.000 DC might be the nicest fighter of all time.

00:05:04.000 One of my favorite people, him or Max.

00:05:05.000 They're up there.

00:05:06.000 I love them both.

00:05:07.000 The nicest fighters of all time.

00:05:07.000 I don't know Max as well as I know DC because I've done so many shows with him.

00:05:11.000 But for DC, as good as he is, to say that him and Khabib go to war, I'm like... 0.78

00:05:18.000 That's crazy!

00:05:18.000 Dude, Josh Thompson, who's the captain of AK, said, you know, Ed Ruth, Penn State, three-time national champion, freak!

00:05:24.000 Just started doing MMA and Bellator.

00:05:26.000 Complete freak wrestling. 0.97

00:05:28.000 I was in San Jose, and I did a show with him, and I go, what were you doing?

00:05:31.000 He goes, I just came from practice, Khabib's second-to-last practice.

00:05:34.000 I go, what was he doing?

00:05:35.000 He goes, just straight wrestling.

00:05:37.000 I said, who was he wrestling?

00:05:38.000 He goes, Ed Ruth.

00:05:39.000 I go, oh my god, the Penn State legend?

00:05:41.000 He goes, yeah, man.

00:05:42.000 I go, how's that go down?

00:05:43.000 He's like...

00:05:44.000 The only one of them's going down, and ain't Khabib. 0.97

00:05:46.000 I'm like, what?

00:05:48.000 Ed Ruth?

00:05:49.000 And he goes, oh.

00:05:50.000 He goes, bro, I've never seen anything like it.

00:05:52.000 What?

00:05:53.000 There's just this legend of Khabib.

00:05:55.000 When they tell me that, it scares me.

00:05:57.000 Jesus.

00:05:58.000 What?

00:05:58.000 What are we going to do?

00:05:59.000 You see it in action when you saw the Barboza fight.

00:06:02.000 He's walking towards him like a zombie, gets a hold of him, and just ragdolls him.

00:06:07.000 Just ragdolls him.

00:06:08.000 But this is what's great about this fight, and this is what makes our sport so special.

00:06:11.000 Yeah, I'm super bummed.

00:06:13.000 I've been in deep depression because Ferguson fell out, and we've talked about this off air.

00:06:17.000 But our sport's so special because what Max Holloway has the chance to do Saturday night, if he can beat him, if he can somehow pull that out, there's nothing like in professional sports.

00:06:27.000 There's nothing like it.

00:06:28.000 If LeBron goes out, the team still goes on.

00:06:31.000 It's whatever. 0.79

00:06:32.000 If Tom Brady gets hurt, it sucks, but they still play. 0.87

00:06:34.000 Here, you know...

00:06:36.000 Man, Max has a huge chance.

00:06:38.000 Now, are the odds stacked against him?

00:06:40.000 Good God, are they ever.

00:06:41.000 There couldn't be a worse matchup for him.

00:06:43.000 But, what's the one Achilles heel, if there is one, for Khabib? 1.00

00:06:47.000 A guy who can strike going backwards. 0.98

00:06:49.000 Max Holloway's pretty fucking good at going backwards. 0.87

00:06:52.000 Yeah, it's a fascinating fight if there was no controversy. 0.96

00:06:57.000 If it wasn't like a six-day time period for him.

00:07:00.000 But that's what's so great.

00:07:01.000 I know it's kind of cool.

00:07:02.000 The only other fight that's been like that was Nate, when Nate took on Conor in the first fight.

00:07:06.000 Here's the difference, though.

00:07:07.000 Nate's the bigger guy, right?

00:07:09.000 Nate's the bigger guy, the more seasoned guy there.

00:07:11.000 So for Nate, it's like, yeah, it was short notice, but that's a rough matchup for Conor.

00:07:16.000 You know, Conor should be an underdog in that fight.

00:07:18.000 They don't even fight at the same weight class.

00:07:20.000 So that makes a little more sense.

00:07:22.000 But wait a minute.

00:07:22.000 They do.

00:07:23.000 Nate fights at 55. Before that, though, he's fighting at 70, right?

00:07:27.000 No, no, no, no.

00:07:27.000 He only fought three times at 70. But he fought at 70 is the point.

00:07:30.000 He fought at 70. Conor's never fought at 70. Right.

00:07:32.000 But when Conor fought him at 70, that was 70. Yeah, Conor's never fought.

00:07:36.000 He's not a 70-pounder.

00:07:37.000 Right.

00:07:37.000 But, I mean, Nate, when he fought 70, it didn't go well.

00:07:41.000 I mean, who did he fight?

00:07:41.000 He fought Rory McDonald at 70. Tough matchup.

00:07:45.000 Who else did he fight?

00:07:46.000 What else did he fight at 70?

00:07:48.000 He lost his fights at 70, I think.

00:07:50.000 No, he didn't lose all of them.

00:07:51.000 He won one?

00:07:52.000 Yeah, he wasn't great at 70, but the thing is, he's the bigger man.

00:07:56.000 He's a much bigger guy.

00:07:58.000 But if they agreed to fight at 155, he would make the 155 weight limit.

00:08:02.000 100%.

00:08:02.000 There was all this talk about him being so much bigger than Conor.

00:08:06.000 Oh, he's bigger for sure, Joe.

00:08:07.000 He's taller.

00:08:08.000 He's a bigger man.

00:08:09.000 He's a bigger guy.

00:08:10.000 He walks around heavier.

00:08:11.000 Well, when he gets heavier, but when they fight at 55, he makes that weight, and Conor makes that weight tough, too.

00:08:17.000 They both struggle to make 155. It's a much easier cut for Conor at 55. It's not the hardest cut, but when you look at the difference between how he looks physically when he fought Nate at 170 and how he looks when he's, you know, 145, he was awful.

00:08:31.000 I was going to say, Connick can make 145. Nate could never, I mean, there's no chance.

00:08:36.000 He probably could have made it when he was on The Ultimate Fighter.

00:08:38.000 Cut a leg off.

00:08:39.000 Pfft.

00:08:40.000 You know, like, real Liskie's not making 45. Well, he was very thin during the Ultimate Fighter days.

00:08:44.000 Remember?

00:08:44.000 We have to be, because you're an Ultimate Fighter, right?

00:08:46.000 So you have to make weight basically three times in a row.

00:08:49.000 Well, I just think he filled in, too.

00:08:50.000 I mean, he was really young back then, too.

00:08:52.000 100%, but you have to maintain a lower weight.

00:08:54.000 Yeah.

00:08:55.000 That's the closest fight to it, though.

00:08:57.000 I agree.

00:08:57.000 That fight's the closest.

00:08:57.000 No, I agree with you.

00:08:58.000 And the same kind of balls that Nate has. 0.87

00:09:02.000 But Max, the difference is that Max has taken on a guy that everybody's avoiding.

00:09:09.000 No one's been able to solve the riddle of Khabib. 0.91

00:09:11.000 No one's even put him in jeopardy.

00:09:14.000 Michael Johnson hit him, but that really wasn't...

00:09:18.000 We were talking about that the other day.

00:09:20.000 Who knows what was going on in that fight because that was a fight where he had the same issue cutting weight that he did when he had to pull out of the Ferguson fight where his body shut down.

00:09:28.000 So who knows?

00:09:29.000 He had that same issue with the Michael Johnson. 0.72

00:09:30.000 He might have been severely compromised in that fight even though he beat the fuck out of him. 0.75

00:09:33.000 I agree.

00:09:34.000 The difference between McGregor and Diaz is they both keep it on the feet, really, right?

00:09:39.000 Diaz is a phenomenal boxer.

00:09:40.000 Conor is a phenomenal striker.

00:09:41.000 Max Holloway, phenomenal striker.

00:09:43.000 Khabib, phenomenal grappler.

00:09:45.000 So it's even more of a task because Khabib's not going to sit there and strike. 0.98

00:09:49.000 That's your one way to win?

00:09:50.000 Cool, I'm the best grappler on earth.

00:09:52.000 He'll entertain it for a little bit, but if he wants you down, there's literally no one in the world from, I'll say, 155 to 170 who he's not going to take down.

00:10:02.000 I really want to see him in some straight grappling competition.

00:10:06.000 Hearing this?

00:10:08.000 Yeah.

00:10:08.000 Hearing that, about how amazing he is in the training room, and hearing it from a guy like D.C. I know.

00:10:14.000 And Fitch, and Thompson.

00:10:15.000 I mean, you're talking about all pioneers of the sport.

00:10:18.000 Yeah, animals.

00:10:18.000 I want to see him against Woodley at 70. I think 70's his natural weight class.

00:10:22.000 Yeah, I think he'd probably be a lot healthier.

00:10:25.000 Imagine that.

00:10:25.000 Imagine him being stronger and healthier.

00:10:27.000 Woodley and Khabib? 0.85

00:10:28.000 Jesus.

00:10:29.000 What?

00:10:29.000 But Woodley's a different thing, man.

00:10:31.000 You miss. 1.00

00:10:32.000 You fuck up, and you leave yourself in a position to get hit with one of those nuclear bombs. 1.00

00:10:37.000 Oh, he'll knock you out. 1.00

00:10:37.000 Woodley could put people to sleep, grapple his ass off, hard to take down, and puts people to sleep with one shot. 1.00

00:10:44.000 I don't think Woodley gets his due, and I think the best evidence is the two fights that people point to where they say that Woodley should have done better.

00:10:53.000 Those are the Thompson fights.

00:10:54.000 And the Maya fight.

00:10:55.000 The Maya fight, but Maya never got hurt. 0.89

00:10:58.000 He hit Maya a bunch of times, but it was uneventful because he was hurt.

00:11:03.000 Woodley was hurt early in the first round with his shoulder. 0.99

00:11:05.000 He fucked his shoulder up. 0.98

00:11:06.000 He fought Maya, though he should fight Maya if you don't want to go to the ground. 1.00

00:11:09.000 100%.

00:11:09.000 But my point is, in those two fights with Thompson, Woodley was the one who hurt Thompson.

00:11:14.000 He hurt him.

00:11:15.000 Bad.

00:11:16.000 Bad in both fights.

00:11:17.000 Almost stopped him in both fights.

00:11:18.000 Yeah, I don't want to see them ever fight again, but I hear you.

00:11:20.000 Great fight.

00:11:21.000 A hard pass.

00:11:23.000 If it was a crazy UFC 200 card and that was on it, I wouldn't be mad.

00:11:28.000 Me neither.

00:11:30.000 But as a main event, I get it.

00:11:32.000 I get it.

00:11:32.000 I like it.

00:11:33.000 Saw it twice.

00:11:34.000 Wow, cool.

00:11:35.000 Yeah, that's a super complicated equation to solve.

00:11:38.000 I'm set.

00:11:39.000 I'm set, though.

00:11:40.000 They're just not good dance partners.

00:11:41.000 It was the same thing.

00:11:42.000 They just said, no, this time's going to be different.

00:11:44.000 I'm going to war. 0.53

00:11:45.000 I'm going to war. 1.00

00:11:46.000 Fuck you. 1.00

00:11:47.000 And then... 1.00

00:11:47.000 Two rounds in, you're like, no! 1.00

00:11:49.000 You bastards! 1.00

00:11:50.000 They're just circling each other. 1.00

00:11:51.000 That's like Dana on Ferguson and Khabib.

00:11:54.000 He's like, that fight's never happening.

00:11:55.000 A fifth time, not happening.

00:11:57.000 I'm like, I get it.

00:11:59.000 I get it, man.

00:12:00.000 It's such a bummer, though.

00:12:01.000 Let's talk business.

00:12:02.000 I don't know how many pay-per-views this was going to do, but for the hardcore fans, this was a big one.

00:12:08.000 This was a big one.

00:12:09.000 Because this is the first time Khabib is fighting a guy that's super versatile. 0.93

00:12:13.000 That can fight standing up, can knock you out with one shot, tough as fuck, has incredible endurance, and can grapple off his back. 0.71

00:12:19.000 And the most dangerous guy Khabib will ever face. 0.87

00:12:21.000 Yeah, Tony Ferguson has the perfect style to test so we can really find out where Khabib's at.

00:12:28.000 Because we know where Tony's at.

00:12:29.000 And we kind of know where Khabib's at.

00:12:31.000 Do we?

00:12:32.000 We kind of do.

00:12:33.000 The Barboza fight, in my opinion, was the best example of it.

00:12:36.000 Dos Anjos.

00:12:37.000 Dos Anjos was great.

00:12:38.000 All that's old school Dos Anjos.

00:12:39.000 Dos Anjos also compromised to make 155. Correct. 0.87

00:12:43.000 Dos Anjos at 170. Different animal.

00:12:45.000 That's a different fucking animal. 1.00

00:12:46.000 That's a totally different beast. 0.99

00:12:48.000 And I think Dos Anjos is one of those guys where you point to a perfect example of a guy whose body just was not allowing him to compete at 155. Agreed.

00:12:57.000 Because he's a fucking animal in his mind. 1.00

00:13:00.000 I mean, no one works harder than that guy. 1.00

00:13:02.000 You see that guy train?

00:13:03.000 Yes, I have.

00:13:04.000 You've seen in person, right?

00:13:05.000 Yes.

00:13:05.000 Monster.

00:13:06.000 Monster.

00:13:07.000 And how about he's fighting Colby Covington in Brazil?

00:13:11.000 Enjoy that, Colby.

00:13:12.000 Good luck, Colby!

00:13:13.000 Security!

00:13:14.000 Please, security.

00:13:15.000 Super hard to take down.

00:13:17.000 Real hard to take down.

00:13:18.000 And brutal leg kicks.

00:13:20.000 And I don't know what 90-minute butt video he's been doing every day, but his legs are gigantic.

00:13:27.000 I know! 0.97

00:13:27.000 Rumpy rump! 0.97

00:13:29.000 That Brazilian shitter on him is just... 1.00

00:13:32.000 I don't know what, squats? 0.99

00:13:34.000 Front squats? 1.00

00:13:35.000 Dude, I don't know what kind of crazy shit he's doing. 0.97

00:13:37.000 I know he did some training in the past a lot with Nick Curzon out of Speed of Sport. 0.99

00:13:41.000 Nick helped him quite a bit.

00:13:43.000 Nick's, you know, the Marv Marinovich disciple.

00:13:46.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:13:46.000 And he does all that crazy shit that Marv had BJ doing. 0.99

00:13:49.000 He's got a ton of videos online of Dos Anjos training. 0.98

00:13:52.000 Is he working with Perello?

00:13:54.000 Jason Perillo?

00:13:55.000 Yeah.

00:13:55.000 I don't know, is he?

00:13:56.000 Is Dos Angeles and Perillo?

00:13:57.000 I think he is.

00:13:58.000 Is he?

00:13:59.000 I remember seeing him at the Ruka gym.

00:14:00.000 Is Perillo the greatest coach of all?

00:14:02.000 Like, he's like, you're having problems with your career?

00:14:04.000 Come here.

00:14:04.000 Very good.

00:14:05.000 And just, he's being cyborg.

00:14:07.000 I mean, just these monsters.

00:14:08.000 And you know what?

00:14:09.000 Good dude.

00:14:10.000 Great guy.

00:14:11.000 And doesn't want the spotlight.

00:14:13.000 He doesn't want to be out on camera.

00:14:15.000 Yeah.

00:14:15.000 He doesn't want anything to do.

00:14:16.000 And when I was telling him, I think he's doing a great job, dude shakes your hand, looks you in the eye.

00:14:21.000 Like, he's right there.

00:14:22.000 He's right there.

00:14:23.000 Thank you.

00:14:23.000 He's, like, right there.

00:14:24.000 And he won't work with just anyone either, which is what I like.

00:14:26.000 I like what he did with Bisping.

00:14:28.000 He helped Bisping a lot.

00:14:29.000 Yeah, Bisping became world champion.

00:14:30.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:14:31.000 I mean, he's a fucking great coach. 0.99

00:14:33.000 Back to Khabib. 0.99

00:14:34.000 You know who I think, and I'm not just saying this because he's my boy I've known for, but you know who I think could be his Achilles heel who matches up better with him than anyone?

00:14:41.000 Who?

00:14:42.000 Everyone's overlooking.

00:14:43.000 Brian Ortega.

00:14:44.000 Ooh, that's a good point.

00:14:45.000 Brian Ortega is a big dude at 55. Easy weight cut for him.

00:14:49.000 But on the ground, he's the most dangerous guy in the world right now.

00:14:53.000 Yeah, I think so, too.

00:14:54.000 I think the way he locks up submissions is very different.

00:14:57.000 It's like if everybody else is hitting it at a 7 or an 8, Ortega's hitting it at a 10, where you watch and you go, oh, that's different.

00:15:04.000 And you haven't seen it.

00:15:05.000 So for Khabib, he's grappled frickin' grizzly bears since he was four, and he's seen Sambo, he's seen black belt jiu-jitsu, he's seen all this stuff, you're not gonna catch him.

00:15:14.000 With Ortega, it's a little different, and he actually encourages you to go to the ground.

00:15:18.000 And he's dangerous on his feet, but on the grounds where he thrives.

00:15:21.000 Isn't it funny how that thing about going to the ground...

00:15:23.000 What is it?

00:15:24.000 Brian says, Ortega wrote, For the record, Dana called me yesterday to see if I'd step in against Khabib since Max hadn't responded yet.

00:15:29.000 I said yes.

00:15:30.000 Eventually, Max replied, and Dana gave him the fight.

00:15:33.000 If all goes according to plan, I'll get my turn at both of them.

00:15:36.000 Ooh.

00:15:37.000 It's a phenomenal fight for me.

00:15:38.000 Brian Ortega.

00:15:39.000 Just stylistically, I went, mm.

00:15:40.000 And if I'm Khabib, Khabib goes, why would I fight Ortega?

00:15:43.000 He's a phenomenal fighter, but he doesn't have a belt, doesn't have a big name.

00:15:45.000 And it's the most dangerous fight for him, I think.

00:15:47.000 And it's also, I mean, Ortega became a much bigger star with the Frankie Edgar knockout.

00:15:53.000 Much bigger star, but...

00:15:55.000 Is a ways to go.

00:15:56.000 Yeah, Max Holloway is one of the best fighters on the planet.

00:15:59.000 That's a really interesting fight.

00:16:01.000 Ortega's got...

00:16:03.000 There's something about his jiu-jitsu, man.

00:16:06.000 It's just ramped up and sharpened down to just a razor's edge, man.

00:16:12.000 When he grabs a hold of stuff, you have very little room to get out.

00:16:16.000 Yeah, and he sets it up from the clinch, and it's very unconventional, and the head snaps, especially like Tony Ferguson with the dart strokes where he's in Snap City.

00:16:24.000 However, what I wanted to see in this...

00:16:27.000 Ferguson-Khabib fight with the Snap City is like Josh Thompson and Fitch are like, oh no, we've never seen Khabib get his neck snapped down.

00:16:34.000 Ever.

00:16:35.000 For him, it's a pride thing.

00:16:37.000 Growing up where he grew up, no one snaps his neck down.

00:16:39.000 No one's snapping him down.

00:16:41.000 It doesn't work.

00:16:43.000 That's so crazy!

00:16:44.000 Well, that's Tony's thing.

00:16:45.000 They go, watch!

00:16:46.000 Watch!

00:16:47.000 No one's ever snapping his neck down.

00:16:48.000 Ever.

00:16:49.000 Wow.

00:16:50.000 Yeah.

00:16:50.000 That's so crazy.

00:16:51.000 Fitch is like, I've never seen him lose a round. 1.00

00:16:52.000 I'm like, what the fuck? 0.99

00:16:54.000 What are we doing? 1.00

00:16:54.000 These goddamn legends. 1.00

00:16:56.000 I know! 1.00

00:16:56.000 These people like this. 1.00

00:16:57.000 And I'm drinking the Kool-Aid.

00:16:59.000 I'm drinking it, too.

00:16:59.000 I'm so into this Kool-Aid.

00:17:02.000 Wear that hat Saturday night, sir.

00:17:04.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:17:04.000 Damn. 1.00

00:17:05.000 I'm fascinated. 1.00

00:17:07.000 I'm fascinated by this fight.

00:17:08.000 I'm always fascinated when Khabib fights because you're always wondering, like, what's the first guy that's going to be able to give him something different?

00:17:15.000 See, I look at it different.

00:17:16.000 I look at it like, alright, I hear all this crazy talk about Khabib.

00:17:20.000 Let's see it.

00:17:21.000 Like, I want to see that...

00:17:23.000 Pound for pound greatness out of him.

00:17:25.000 Let me get it.

00:17:26.000 Don't you think you saw it in the Barboza fight?

00:17:28.000 No.

00:17:28.000 I think Barboza's one-dimensional.

00:17:30.000 I think we did see, and I think people are taking for granted how good Khabib of a grappler is, because you talk to Frankie, you talk to Eddie Alvarez, I go, how hard is it to take down Barboza?

00:17:39.000 They go, oh, it's damn near impossible in training.

00:17:42.000 We don't get them down very easily, and they're badasses. 0.69

00:17:45.000 So what Khabib did, we didn't think he was going to be able to do. 0.99

00:17:48.000 And if you look at that third round when Barbosa gets taken down and he's kind of cage crawling, you look at his face, he looks like, get me the fuck out of here.

00:17:58.000 There's sheer panic.

00:17:59.000 And that's the difference between Khabib and the rest of these fighters.

00:18:02.000 That's why it's the worst to fight him on short notice because it's not going to be fast.

00:18:06.000 It's not going to be fun for you.

00:18:08.000 It's a smashing.

00:18:09.000 I feel like we've seen the pound-for-pound greatness in him, like the potential for it, but we need to see him against pound-for-pound greats.

00:18:18.000 Well, that's how you get there.

00:18:19.000 And you have to show up.

00:18:20.000 That's what's so interesting about Saturday.

00:18:21.000 Like Connor Aldo, right?

00:18:23.000 That quick knockout. 0.98

00:18:24.000 Or D.C. Gusvin.

00:18:26.000 John Jones, D.C. There's certain times in your career where you have these signature wins.

00:18:31.000 He doesn't have a signature win.

00:18:32.000 Right.

00:18:32.000 Well, I think that Barboza's as close as you can get, but Barboza's lost to a few guys.

00:18:36.000 He lost to Tony, he got Darce choked.

00:18:38.000 Lost to Cowboy.

00:18:39.000 Yep.

00:18:40.000 Yep.

00:18:40.000 But he's also very, he's one-dimensional.

00:18:43.000 Yeah.

00:18:43.000 He's not phenomenal on the ground.

00:18:45.000 He's a good anti-wrestler.

00:18:47.000 His striking's phenomenal, but overall package?

00:18:50.000 Yeah, and that is the difference, right?

00:18:52.000 Is the really good guys always threaten takedowns, always threaten submissions.

00:18:55.000 He just doesn't do that.

00:18:57.000 He stands up.

00:18:58.000 He's phenomenal at it.

00:18:59.000 He's a special stand-up, but...

00:19:01.000 I mean, stand-up is wicked.

00:19:02.000 He's got some of the best stand-up in the world, for sure, in MMA. I mean, Barboza's so fast, too.

00:19:07.000 Such a...

00:19:08.000 Wonder Boy Barboza, the right up there.

00:19:10.000 Darren Till.

00:19:10.000 Yeah.

00:19:11.000 Darren Till in Wonderboy is going to be a motherfucker. 0.99

00:19:15.000 How about Wonderboy? 0.99

00:19:16.000 I saw a quote coming in here where he goes, I'm not that impressed with Darren Till.

00:19:21.000 Who is he?

00:19:21.000 I'm like, did you learn nothing from the cowboy fight?

00:19:23.000 Even I learned from that.

00:19:25.000 I was like, man, why would Cowboy take this?

00:19:27.000 I don't really know who Darren Till is. 1.00

00:19:29.000 And then my inbox just flooded with shit. 0.99

00:19:31.000 And even Darren Till went off on me. 1.00

00:19:33.000 And I look him up like, oh my god, this guy's a monster. 0.99

00:19:35.000 He's an animal. 0.98

00:19:37.000 Doesn't he have a gorilla tattoo or something? 0.94

00:19:39.000 Does he?

00:19:39.000 He's got gorillas all over his, like, uses it in his screen name and Twitter.

00:19:43.000 Well, he's a gorilla. 0.78

00:19:44.000 He's a gorilla.

00:19:45.000 He's a Leverpool gorilla. 1.00

00:19:46.000 He's a bad motherfucker. 0.99

00:19:48.000 And for Wonderboy, who's rehabbing his thumbs, and it's just like, alright, if you want this. 1.00

00:19:52.000 And then what happens if Wonderboy, let's say Wonderboy were to win, which I don't think he is, unfortunately.

00:19:56.000 Really?

00:19:57.000 I don't.

00:19:57.000 You think Taylor's gonna get him?

00:19:59.000 I just, yeah, I think there's this kind of... 0.97

00:20:01.000 Are you a Darren Till dick rider? 0.99

00:20:02.000 A little bit. 0.99

00:20:03.000 Right now, I'm hard dick riding on Khabib, Till, there's a few guys. 1.00

00:20:09.000 DC always, Connor always, always, always.

00:20:13.000 Brian Ortega. 0.79

00:20:15.000 I'd dick ride Mighty Mouse, for sure. 0.99

00:20:17.000 Yeah, you do dick ride that guy. 1.00

00:20:18.000 I think he's the best. 0.99

00:20:19.000 You've been that way forever.

00:20:20.000 I think he's the best.

00:20:21.000 I mean, that's fair.

00:20:23.000 He needs a guy to challenge him.

00:20:25.000 Isn't he fighting Cejudo again? 0.99

00:20:27.000 Who I love Cejudo, but it's like, do you guys hate fucking money? 1.00

00:20:31.000 That shit's ridiculous. 1.00

00:20:32.000 I mean, Cejudo's a beast, no doubt about it, and I love what Cejudo did against Wilson Hayes. 1.00

00:20:38.000 I was like, holy shit, this is like a different Cejudo. 0.98

00:20:40.000 He looks like a karate champion. 0.99

00:20:41.000 Yeah, I get all that.

00:20:42.000 Did you see what Mighty Mouse did to him?

00:20:44.000 Went right through them.

00:20:45.000 Oh, you're blackout?

00:20:46.000 Cool.

00:20:47.000 Good.

00:20:47.000 Get you in an arm bar.

00:20:48.000 And what he did to Cejudo.

00:20:49.000 Yeah.

00:20:50.000 Oh, you like to clinch?

00:20:50.000 Check these out.

00:20:51.000 Olympics?

00:20:52.000 That's very cool.

00:20:53.000 Check this knee out, sir.

00:20:55.000 Knees to the body is fast.

00:20:57.000 I grabbed him once, just joking around, playing.

00:20:59.000 He hit me in the body with a knee so fast, it was confusing.

00:21:03.000 It was confusing.

00:21:04.000 Where'd that come from?

00:21:05.000 Like, I go, I gotcha!

00:21:07.000 He turns around, whoosh!

00:21:08.000 I'm like, hey!

00:21:09.000 That's not supposed to go that quick! 0.89

00:21:11.000 It's supposed to be, I see you move, I get to think, this might come my way, here it is.

00:21:17.000 No, it was already there before I realized he was doing it. 0.96

00:21:19.000 He's so fucking fast!

00:21:21.000 Do we know why the TJ fight's not going down? 0.93

00:21:25.000 Dude, I don't know, but that one bums me out.

00:21:27.000 That one bums me out. 0.99

00:21:29.000 That's a fucking gigantic super fight. 0.99

00:21:32.000 Like, why wouldn't he take that fight? 0.99

00:21:34.000 Well, first of all, Mighty Mouse right now is rehabbing a shoulder surgery.

00:21:38.000 So, it's going to be a while.

00:21:39.000 He was doing those, you know that bow thing they do, that flexi thing?

00:21:42.000 Yeah.

00:21:43.000 He was doing some of those exercises the other day on Instagram.

00:21:45.000 I'm looking at him like, okay, that's a guy that's got, like, he's got some scar tissue to work out.

00:21:49.000 Like, that's not healed up.

00:21:51.000 Did he get surgery or no?

00:21:52.000 Yeah, he got surgery.

00:21:53.000 Hmm.

00:21:53.000 So he's out for a little bit.

00:21:54.000 And TJ probably doesn't want to wait.

00:21:56.000 I don't know if that's what the case is.

00:21:58.000 I don't know what the case is.

00:21:59.000 You know, I mean, shoulder surgery is six months.

00:22:02.000 I mean, so you wait three months, then you have a three-month camp.

00:22:05.000 You know?

00:22:06.000 But they wouldn't announce it yet, right?

00:22:08.000 No.

00:22:08.000 I mean, I don't even know.

00:22:09.000 You can't even say that.

00:22:10.000 Because once you start going hard, you might not be able to go.

00:22:14.000 Matt Hume and Mighty Mouse are about as smart as it gets when it comes to preparation.

00:22:18.000 Correct.

00:22:19.000 So there's no way they would take that fight if his shoulder wasn't 100% or any fight.

00:22:23.000 And risk his legacy?

00:22:24.000 Because he loses that fight and everyone's like, told ya!

00:22:26.000 And they wouldn't go hard early to test it.

00:22:28.000 Hell no.

00:22:29.000 They would let it...

00:22:30.000 Well, Whitley's been out a little bit because of his shoulder.

00:22:33.000 Yeah.

00:22:34.000 Shoulders are tricky. 0.66

00:22:35.000 Yeah, he was in here, like, right after he got it.

00:22:38.000 He said he's gonna heal up quick.

00:22:39.000 Yeah.

00:22:40.000 And he might.

00:22:41.000 PRP, all that.

00:22:42.000 Yeah, he's going to do all the PRP, you know, as much, you know, different therapies, cryo, I'm sure.

00:22:49.000 It still takes a while, even with all our advances.

00:22:51.000 It's definitely faster.

00:22:52.000 But now he's forced to fight, and I see what the UFC's doing where they do an interim belt between Colby and Dos Anjos where, you know, it's interim belt.

00:23:01.000 So now, Woodley, you literally have to fight the winner of this.

00:23:05.000 You have to fight him.

00:23:06.000 It's a very sneaky move.

00:23:06.000 They have a belt.

00:23:07.000 What are you going to do?

00:23:08.000 You want a super fight?

00:23:09.000 Nope, this guy has a belt.

00:23:10.000 I get both sides here.

00:23:12.000 If it's Dos Anjos, if Dos Anjos beats Colby, Dos Anjos, lightweight champion, now welterweight champion.

00:23:18.000 That's a great fight.

00:23:20.000 You could have Dos Anjos sitting there with two belts on his shoulders.

00:23:24.000 And then what do you do with Darren Till?

00:23:25.000 Let's say he, for whatever reason, walks through Wonderboy, which is, you know...

00:23:38.000 Does that work that way? 0.99

00:23:40.000 Because the ratings are fucking screwy, man. 0.98

00:23:43.000 Sometimes I see a guy who beat a guy, and then that guy who he beat is still ranked ahead of him. 1.00

00:23:48.000 They're a nightmare.

00:23:49.000 All the ratings do now, it almost hurts if you're a guy like Sean Shelby or Dana trying to make these matchups.

00:23:56.000 Because a guy who's at four, if they say, hey, why don't you fight seven?

00:23:58.000 He's like, no, he's seven.

00:23:59.000 I have nothing to gain from that.

00:24:00.000 Where before, it was like, hey, why don't you fight this guy?

00:24:03.000 He's a name.

00:24:04.000 He's on a seven-fight win streak. 0.58

00:24:05.000 We don't know what ranking he is, but we know he's damn good.

00:24:07.000 So guys were more willing to take it.

00:24:09.000 Now they, nope, he's seven.

00:24:11.000 I want number one.

00:24:12.000 Exactly.

00:24:13.000 I need three, four, you know.

00:24:15.000 Yeah, that's weird.

00:24:16.000 It hurts us.

00:24:17.000 Well, it's also weird, like, the UFC could just, they just decide who's fighting.

00:24:21.000 I mean, it's the whole thing, the business is so interesting.

00:24:24.000 Because it's like, they decide who's fighting, they decide who's champion, they decide, Tony, you're not champion anymore, we're going to strip you.

00:24:31.000 It's like, put it, I fell!

00:24:32.000 I fell!

00:24:34.000 I don't want this to happen!

00:24:35.000 He was at the Fox studios, like, I twist my knee!

00:24:39.000 But he was working for the UFC when he fell.

00:24:41.000 I mean, he's doing his obligations, his press obligations.

00:24:45.000 It's very strange to strip him of a belt when he never lost it and he has the longest winning streak.

00:24:52.000 But also, Khabib has no belt.

00:24:54.000 There's no belt.

00:24:56.000 Khabib was going to take the belt.

00:24:57.000 They're going to make up a belt.

00:24:58.000 And then Conor has the belt at 55, so what do you do with that belt?

00:25:02.000 Well, what they were planning on doing, I believe, and now they've kind of let the cat out of the bag because they said it's going to be for the World Lightweight title.

00:25:08.000 They were going to strip Conor the moment something happened, like the moment the fight started.

00:25:13.000 That's when they were going to strip Conor.

00:25:15.000 They're going to announce that?

00:25:15.000 Yeah, because if they'd stripped him beforehand, Then what happens if Tony doesn't make weight or something?

00:25:21.000 Tony makes weight all the time.

00:25:23.000 What if Khabib doesn't make weight? 0.99

00:25:24.000 Then what the fuck do you have? 0.99

00:25:26.000 Then you have nothing. 1.00

00:25:27.000 So you already stripped him?

00:25:28.000 Are you going to give it back to him?

00:25:29.000 Are you going to give it back to him?

00:25:30.000 So what if he wants to fight again?

00:25:31.000 Now he's not the champ anymore? 1.00

00:25:32.000 What the fuck kind of shit is this? 1.00

00:25:34.000 It's strange. 1.00

00:25:34.000 So they waited. 1.00

00:25:35.000 And the idea was to wait.

00:25:36.000 But now they're in a desperado situation.

00:25:38.000 Straight desperado. 0.98

00:25:40.000 Still a belt on the line. 1.00

00:25:41.000 Not only that, fucking April Fools. 1.00

00:25:43.000 April Fools Day it happens. 1.00

00:25:45.000 I didn't believe a goddamn word of it. 0.99

00:25:46.000 Jimmy Smith starts texting me. 1.00

00:25:47.000 I'm like, fuck that, dude. 1.00

00:25:48.000 I'm not falling for it. 1.00

00:25:49.000 Jamie texted me.

00:25:50.000 I'm like, I'm not falling for it.

00:25:51.000 You texted me?

00:25:52.000 You go, bro, it's April Fools.

00:25:54.000 I'm like, I know.

00:25:55.000 But Dana released a video and he's, listen, I'm sure he likes a good April Fools joke, but what he likes more is money and pay-per-view buys.

00:26:04.000 You can't honeydick the fans and be like, psych, it's back on.

00:26:08.000 People are We're going to be pissed and not buy it.

00:26:09.000 That's a good point.

00:26:10.000 I didn't buy it.

00:26:11.000 I still was like, maybe it's just an elaborate PR scam.

00:26:13.000 I didn't even tweet about it until the next day.

00:26:15.000 I know. 0.99

00:26:16.000 I was tweeting about other shit. 1.00

00:26:17.000 People were like, what the fuck, bro? 1.00

00:26:18.000 This is going down. 1.00

00:26:19.000 You're not even tweeting about it.

00:26:20.000 I'm like, I'm not.

00:26:21.000 I'm not.

00:26:21.000 I'm not going to do it.

00:26:22.000 I'm not going to jump in.

00:26:23.000 I checked with you, and then I checked with Josh Thompson, who works closely with Khabib.

00:26:29.000 And then, boom, there's my two main guys.

00:26:32.000 And I went, all right, Ariel.

00:26:33.000 I saw Ariel tweet.

00:26:34.000 I'm like, God, he's a journalist.

00:26:37.000 I'm a... 1.00

00:26:38.000 I'm an ass clown. 1.00

00:26:39.000 He's a legit journalist. 1.00

00:26:40.000 He has the credibility.

00:26:43.000 So I went, bro, is this real?

00:26:44.000 And he goes, I would never joke around like that, Brendan.

00:26:46.000 I'm like, he's right!

00:26:49.000 Well, I went straight to his jiu-jitsu coach.

00:26:51.000 I called Eddie.

00:26:52.000 Talked to him on the phone.

00:26:53.000 You're a good friend.

00:26:53.000 Yeah.

00:26:54.000 And Eddie gave me the full rundown of what happened with Tony.

00:26:58.000 It's like he saw somebody and he turned to say hi to somebody.

00:27:02.000 Didn't see some wires on the ground. 1.00

00:27:04.000 Tripped over some wires and just blew his shit out. 0.99

00:27:07.000 And Eddie was on the podcast yesterday and Eddie was saying that Tony wanted to fight or the day before yesterday. 0.99

00:27:13.000 Tony wanted to fight.

00:27:14.000 They wouldn't let him fight.

00:27:16.000 His ligament is torn from the bone.

00:27:19.000 Which is rare, which is hard to do.

00:27:21.000 Where is that one? 0.99

00:27:23.000 Lateral, collateral ligament, some shit. 0.75

00:27:27.000 Anyways, but do you think if it went tripping off that, is that a freak accent or do you think it would have went during the fight? 0.93

00:27:33.000 It's hard to say.

00:27:35.000 Oh, I bet it was a freak accident.

00:27:36.000 Freak accident, right?

00:27:36.000 Especially at LCL. Yeah.

00:27:38.000 I mean, the way they said it.

00:27:40.000 But first of all, what Dana said was very savage.

00:27:43.000 What'd he say?

00:27:43.000 Dana said, he wears those sunglasses indoors.

00:27:46.000 That should happen to everybody that wears sunglasses indoors.

00:27:52.000 That's the Larry David quote.

00:27:54.000 Have you heard the Larry David quote?

00:27:55.000 He goes, there's only two types of people that wear sunglasses indoors. 1.00

00:27:58.000 Blind people and assholes. 1.00

00:28:00.000 It's true. 1.00

00:28:01.000 It's so true. 0.84

00:28:03.000 Don't wear those indoors.

00:28:04.000 It's such a weird thing, man.

00:28:05.000 Especially at night.

00:28:06.000 Like, what are you doing?

00:28:07.000 It's so hard to see.

00:28:08.000 What is this?

00:28:09.000 What are you doing? 0.99

00:28:10.000 I've seen a guy in a club, when I used to go to clubs, he'd have his glasses on, and then people would walk by, he'd lift them up and look around and put them back down because you can't see shit. 0.97

00:28:16.000 The biggest tools wear glasses to fights. 0.99

00:28:20.000 They wear sunglasses and they sit there with their fucking sunglasses on. 1.00

00:28:23.000 Especially celebrities that do that. 1.00

00:28:25.000 Celebrities do that. 0.93

00:28:26.000 It's like, get a grip. 0.99

00:28:28.000 That's like when you know you fucked up and you got too famous. 0.98

00:28:30.000 You have to wear sunglasses at a fight. 0.99

00:28:33.000 You sit in the front row with sunglasses.

00:28:34.000 And your boys are just like, nah, I like it, man.

00:28:36.000 Yeah, wear those indoors.

00:28:37.000 That makes complete sense.

00:28:38.000 Same if you wear a peacock coat and your boys are like, that's all good.

00:28:41.000 I'm gonna start doing podcasts like this.

00:28:43.000 Dude, that stresses me out.

00:28:45.000 From now on.

00:28:45.000 That stresses me out.

00:28:47.000 Sam Tripoli did a podcast like this.

00:28:48.000 Did you say something?

00:28:49.000 What?

00:28:50.000 Did you say something to him?

00:28:51.000 Yeah.

00:28:51.000 Like, what are we doing?

00:28:52.000 And I put mine on.

00:28:53.000 I put mine on.

00:28:54.000 And we've done them before with sunglasses with Nass outfits.

00:28:57.000 That's hilarious.

00:28:59.000 D'Elia did the Fire in the Kid with sunglasses on.

00:29:02.000 I go, bro, you gotta take the sunglasses off.

00:29:04.000 He goes, my future's too bright.

00:29:05.000 My future's too bright. 1.00

00:29:06.000 And I went, oh fuck, mine too. 1.00

00:29:08.000 And I put my glasses on. 1.00

00:29:09.000 And the count goes, shit, I don't have my sunglasses. 0.99

00:29:12.000 Yeah, it's a weird thing, sunglasses. 0.98

00:29:14.000 That's a hilarious quote by Dana, though.

00:29:17.000 Yeah.

00:29:17.000 Hilarious.

00:29:18.000 And especially considering how much money he's losing on this fight.

00:29:21.000 Can you imagine?

00:29:22.000 Can you imagine getting a call that close and being like, what?

00:29:26.000 What keeps happening?

00:29:28.000 It keeps happening.

00:29:30.000 It keeps happening.

00:29:31.000 Does it?

00:29:31.000 It's happened a bunch of times.

00:29:33.000 It's happened a bunch of times. 1.00

00:29:34.000 This one, the MMA guys are like, you morons. 1.00

00:29:36.000 I'm trying to do you a favor here. 1.00

00:29:38.000 What was the most recent one where that happened?

00:29:40.000 Where Cyborg stepped in last minute.

00:29:43.000 This close?

00:29:44.000 Yeah, so the last one.

00:29:45.000 Cyborg stepped in.

00:29:46.000 Oh, that was Max Holloway.

00:29:47.000 Max Holloway and Frank Yeager.

00:29:49.000 But then there was the Ferguson one with Khabib where Khabib's liver shut down. 0.99

00:29:54.000 They had to take him to the fucking hospital. 0.99

00:29:55.000 That was a bummer. 1.00

00:29:56.000 That was a bummer.

00:29:57.000 This has happened a ton of times.

00:29:59.000 Was the worst one John Jones?

00:30:02.000 UFC 200?

00:30:03.000 DC? Literally the day before?

00:30:06.000 You're like, what?

00:30:08.000 But I wonder if that's better for the UFC. Shitty business either way.

00:30:11.000 But is it better for the UFC? Because we've already seen the hype where we bought in.

00:30:15.000 And then the next day, they're like, where's John?

00:30:18.000 Oh yeah, you didn't hear that?

00:30:20.000 Does that help them more?

00:30:21.000 Or does this, where you at least can promote a little bit with Max Holloway.

00:30:25.000 You can promote a little bit with Max Holloway.

00:30:27.000 And it's an interesting fight.

00:30:29.000 It's a very interesting fight.

00:30:30.000 Yeah, there's a lot of those men that happen.

00:30:32.000 You're like, what?

00:30:34.000 Which one was the Jon Jones DC one?

00:30:37.000 UFC 200. And what was the thing that Jon did?

00:30:40.000 Which one was that?

00:30:41.000 Remember that...

00:30:42.000 Was that the Coke one?

00:30:43.000 Yeah, I think that was the Coke one.

00:30:44.000 No.

00:30:45.000 Coke was...

00:30:45.000 No, this was Dick Pills.

00:30:47.000 Remember?

00:30:48.000 He was like, hey, we got to pull him from the card.

00:30:50.000 And then DC fought Anderson Silva.

00:30:53.000 That's right.

00:30:53.000 On like two days notice.

00:30:55.000 Anderson.

00:30:56.000 And then DC didn't win any fans of that because he just kind of...

00:30:59.000 Yeah.

00:31:00.000 It's a weird fight.

00:31:01.000 He just wrestled him and it was whatever.

00:31:02.000 Anderson in the front kicked him in the gut too and I think he hurt him.

00:31:05.000 Yeah, it was messed up.

00:31:07.000 That was awkward.

00:31:08.000 But it happens in sports.

00:31:10.000 This is what I think makes fighting so great.

00:31:12.000 So great.

00:31:13.000 Max has an opportunity that no one else in the world in sports can have.

00:31:17.000 And then look at Canelo Triple G. In combat sports, this is what we deal with.

00:31:22.000 Canelo, that's the biggest fight of the year.

00:31:24.000 Biggest fight everyone wants to see.

00:31:25.000 The rematch of the year.

00:31:26.000 And then tainted meat.

00:31:29.000 Do you buy the tainted meat?

00:31:30.000 Absolutely not, sir.

00:31:31.000 I've had many tacos in Mexico, and I'm not swole.

00:31:34.000 Yeah, but you're not getting tested for trace amounts of clembuterol.

00:31:38.000 You don't know. 0.98

00:31:41.000 Maybe I have to go and snitch come to my house just for the fucks of it. 0.99

00:31:44.000 Maybe I'm still in the testing protocol. 0.88

00:31:47.000 Interesting.

00:31:47.000 Yeah, maybe.

00:31:48.000 I don't know.

00:31:49.000 But I'd see some sort of change.

00:31:50.000 But even Triple G's camp goes last fight he was on it.

00:31:54.000 What else is new?

00:31:55.000 Now, why do you think they said that?

00:31:58.000 I don't know.

00:31:59.000 Listen, I'm sure Gennady's been in there with over 500 people now, 400 people, and he just said in his experience he can tell who's on PDs and who's not, and he thought Canelo was.

00:32:12.000 Do you buy that?

00:32:14.000 I do, because as a fighter, there's guys I fought who I assumed were.

00:32:18.000 Okay, but what about Woodley?

00:32:19.000 A guy like Woodley has tremendous genetics.

00:32:22.000 He's always been like that.

00:32:23.000 Right.

00:32:24.000 Always been like that, but so has Canelo, no?

00:32:26.000 You look at it, he's gotten pretty swole.

00:32:28.000 Now, he's getting older, though.

00:32:30.000 So it could be that, too.

00:32:31.000 As you get older, you put on more size.

00:32:33.000 Well, the big one was Manny.

00:32:34.000 Manny was the one that everybody was always accusing.

00:32:37.000 And Manny was the first...

00:32:38.000 I mean, Manny went up eight weight classes.

00:32:40.000 Yeah.

00:32:41.000 And kept his knockout power.

00:32:42.000 He's fighting as a little boy and then just was like...

00:32:44.000 Crazy.

00:32:45.000 I mean, and kept the knockout power.

00:32:47.000 True.

00:32:47.000 And most people thought that Manny was on PEDs.

00:32:50.000 Correct.

00:32:50.000 And then they thought that Manny got off PEDs when he fought Juan Manuel Marquez and he got starched.

00:32:55.000 But there's a two-sided story there.

00:32:58.000 He got off PEDs and he also found Jesus Christ.

00:33:00.000 So he stopped going to strip clubs, he stopped hanging out with girls, but he stopped having fun. 1.00

00:33:04.000 And then got serious about Jesus and got knocked the fuck out. 0.99

00:33:08.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:33:09.000 Then he saw Jesus in that fight.

00:33:10.000 Jesus was like, listen...

00:33:12.000 If you want to be a savage, you got to live like a savage.

00:33:14.000 Jesus is like, I'm not even advising this, man. 1.00

00:33:16.000 Just fucking do your thing. 1.00

00:33:17.000 Keep taking steroids. 1.00

00:33:18.000 Yeah, take them steroids.

00:33:20.000 Jesus is like, listen, I made steroids, okay?

00:33:22.000 Steroids came from God.

00:33:23.000 That wheatgrass ain't going to help you, son.

00:33:26.000 That's good for you, but you need steroids, too. 0.88

00:33:28.000 It's good, but you need this, too.

00:33:29.000 It depends on what you are.

00:33:30.000 I mean, if you want to be a 147-pound knockout artist...

00:33:34.000 I mean, but Marquez is no stranger to the Mexican supplements.

00:33:39.000 No, no, [...

00:33:41.000 Well, they had the same strength and conditioning coach.

00:33:45.000 When Manny found Jesus, his old strength and conditioning coach went over to the dark side.

00:33:52.000 Juan Manuel Marquez.

00:33:53.000 He was always on the dark side.

00:33:54.000 Stayed on the dark side.

00:33:55.000 That dude was always on the dark side.

00:33:56.000 What was his name?

00:34:00.000 Alex Ariza.

00:34:01.000 Yes, good call, brother. 1.00

00:34:02.000 Yeah, he knows his shit, man. 1.00

00:34:03.000 He knows his shit, and I don't know whether or not he's got anybody on PEDs that are just blaming him. 1.00

00:34:08.000 But he knows his shit. 1.00

00:34:08.000 As a strength and conditioning coach, that guy's very, very good. 1.00

00:34:11.000 Yeah, I would've worked with him if I was fighting.

00:34:12.000 I saw the stuff that he was doing with Juan Manuel Marquez.

00:34:14.000 I was like, this guy's...

00:34:15.000 He's super legit.

00:34:16.000 And he brings those guys up to modern levels of performance.

00:34:19.000 Correct. 1.00

00:34:19.000 Not the old school shit. 1.00

00:34:21.000 Some of the old school shit, to this day, I think chopping wood, that's all legit, man. 1.00

00:34:26.000 Sledgehammers on tires, that's as legit as it gets. 0.99

00:34:28.000 I agree.

00:34:28.000 I think it's good to add in.

00:34:29.000 I think deadlifts, all that stuff.

00:34:31.000 But I think you mix that with the new wave of technology, and now you've got something.

00:34:35.000 Well, what I was saying about Nick Curzon and that Marv Marinovich method, it's all plyos, man.

00:34:40.000 Everything's like jump, box jumps.

00:34:42.000 Movement.

00:34:42.000 Yeah, left, right, left, right, left, right.

00:34:45.000 You know, Curzon said something very interesting to me when I said, like, what do you think fighters are missing most, like strength condition-wise?

00:34:50.000 He said foot strength.

00:34:52.000 That makes sense.

00:34:53.000 It totally makes sense.

00:34:54.000 You know who's been on that ball since?

00:34:55.000 God, since I've known him is Loren Landau, who I worked with in Denver, and now he just got the gig as the head condition coach of the Denver Broncos.

00:35:03.000 Whoa.

00:35:04.000 But he was making this workout barefoot forever, even as football players.

00:35:08.000 Steve Maxwell was always on that, too.

00:35:09.000 Yeah.

00:35:10.000 All his kettlebell workouts.

00:35:11.000 There's some of those guys who it's like, oh, this is all new, and then you talk to a Loren or that Maxwell guy, like, we've been doing this for like 20 years.

00:35:18.000 You guys are just now finding out about it.

00:35:20.000 Well, so many people.

00:35:21.000 You see so many people working out with high, thick-ass running shoes that are all spongy on the bottom.

00:35:27.000 Yeah, I'd be one of them.

00:35:28.000 Yeah, a lot of people do.

00:35:30.000 But you're not training for a fight right now.

00:35:31.000 No, no.

00:35:33.000 But if you were, you'd try to optimize everything, wouldn't you?

00:35:35.000 Yeah, I used to wear those five-finger.

00:35:38.000 I'd wear those to run.

00:35:39.000 I'd wear those on the track.

00:35:40.000 I'd wear those during most of my stuff.

00:35:43.000 So now you just wear regular running shoes for comfort?

00:35:46.000 Regular running shoes, and then I had a knee problem because I was putting so many miles on it.

00:35:50.000 Now I'm on a bike.

00:35:50.000 I got one of those Pelotons.

00:35:52.000 Yeah, those are dope. 0.90

00:35:53.000 It's been good.

00:35:54.000 It's good because you can play along and go along with a class.

00:35:58.000 Yeah, it's cool.

00:35:59.000 I don't know if it's the answer I do every day, but I need to mix it up, man. 0.57

00:36:03.000 I'm just bored as fuck with working out. 0.95

00:36:05.000 That Echo bike. 0.98

00:36:06.000 Those are dope. 0.77

00:36:07.000 I want to get one of those in the crib.

00:36:09.000 But I like waking up because my Mondays and Tuesdays are a nightmare.

00:36:12.000 I have to be on set at 7 a.m.

00:36:14.000 So I'm waking up at like 5 just doing that Peloton for an hour and then I'm off.

00:36:17.000 Oh, that's good.

00:36:18.000 Yeah, where before I'd have to try and go to the gym.

00:36:20.000 Or I was missing my workouts.

00:36:21.000 It drives me nuts.

00:36:22.000 Dude, you know what?

00:36:23.000 I like to start the day with a sweat and then I get going.

00:36:25.000 You know what kick I'm on?

00:36:26.000 The VersaClimber.

00:36:28.000 Those are a nightmare.

00:36:30.000 I went to the gym the other day, and I did a 150-meter sprint at the end of the workout.

00:36:34.000 The trainer had me do a 150-meter sprint on the reverse climbing.

00:36:37.000 Did you feel like passing out? 0.99

00:36:38.000 Holy shit, it's hard. 1.00

00:36:39.000 Holy shit. 1.00

00:36:40.000 When you get off, man, like you're barely alive. 1.00

00:36:42.000 You've done them before, yeah?

00:36:43.000 Yeah, but I haven't been doing it.

00:36:44.000 I'm getting one in here now.

00:36:46.000 It might be the toughest thing as far as cardio-wise.

00:36:49.000 Again, Lorne Lando used to have us do, even as football players, all the time. 0.98

00:36:53.000 And I was like, what the fuck are we doing, man? 0.99

00:36:55.000 This is awful. 0.99

00:36:56.000 It was by far, he'd have these circuits, and it'd always end on that.

00:36:59.000 I remember everyone, if he was like, here's your circuit, and you end on Versa, some of the best athletes in the world were just like, oh my god, man, what are we doing?

00:37:08.000 Yeah, well, that's what they do at this gym that I've been working at.

00:37:10.000 He lets you do a circuit, at the end of the circuit, you get on that Versa climber, and you sprint.

00:37:14.000 And it's how much time to get to 150 meters.

00:37:17.000 I've been doing rows with my trainer.

00:37:19.000 Oh yeah, I do that too?

00:37:20.000 We do the 1,000 meter row.

00:37:22.000 And I'm like, what's a good time?

00:37:23.000 So we looked up the top times.

00:37:25.000 I'm like, I think I'm top 300 in the world right now.

00:37:28.000 I've got to do some work.

00:37:31.000 Really?

00:37:31.000 Yeah, there's a big difference between top 300 and the top 100. Yeah, but dude, you're top 300 in the world with a row?

00:37:37.000 With a row, yeah, look it up. 0.92

00:37:38.000 That's pretty fucking sweet. 0.92

00:37:39.000 It's alright. 0.97

00:37:40.000 I mean, it's a row machine.

00:37:42.000 I'm top 85 million.

00:37:44.000 I mean, no, hold up.

00:37:46.000 Hold on, hold on.

00:37:48.000 That was the humble brag, but let's just be serious there. 1.00

00:37:51.000 You're the hardest kicker ever on that goddamn UFC machine. 0.99

00:37:55.000 Well, I call it the Francis machine. 0.99

00:37:57.000 Well, there's a video of me doing 152. Right now, you only see the one with me kicking it with my jeans on, and that got to 135. Were they stretchy jeans?

00:38:06.000 Yeah, barbell jeans. 0.97

00:38:07.000 Basically PEDs.

00:38:08.000 PEDs, yeah.

00:38:08.000 It's like sweatpants, man.

00:38:10.000 Some dude burned me.

00:38:12.000 Burned me from the audience.

00:38:13.000 And he goes, hey man, how long did it take you to paint on those jeans?

00:38:17.000 And I went, oh my goodness, sir.

00:38:19.000 You just scorched me. 0.74

00:38:22.000 Theo Vonk did me dirty. 0.97

00:38:23.000 He goes, bro, we're clowning each other. 0.83

00:38:25.000 We're clowning each other. 0.55

00:38:26.000 I said, you look like an extra from the Waterboy set. 1.00

00:38:29.000 He goes, the fuck? 1.00

00:38:32.000 He goes, bro, you look like you work at Nordstrom's Rack and you're a mechanic. 1.00

00:38:39.000 I was like, What are you talking about? 0.98

00:38:43.000 He's so crazy. 1.00

00:38:45.000 These fucking pants, man. 1.00

00:38:46.000 These pants are the shit. 1.00

00:38:47.000 These are different. 1.00

00:38:48.000 These right now, I have on their similar.

00:38:49.000 They're called Mott& Bow.

00:38:50.000 Oh, those are a good company.

00:38:52.000 Those are like legit jeans.

00:38:53.000 Yeah, they're more feel like jeans.

00:38:55.000 Where the barbell jeans, they look like jeans until you touch them.

00:38:57.000 They go, hey, what's going on here?

00:38:59.000 I've got sweatpants on, son.

00:39:00.000 No, that's in a good company.

00:39:02.000 This will bind you up a little bit more if you were trying to kick somebody.

00:39:06.000 A little bit more.

00:39:07.000 So what did you do the record-setting kicking?

00:39:09.000 With barbell jeans.

00:39:11.000 I did the record one.

00:39:12.000 This is the record one.

00:39:13.000 I see you with that Dos Anchos rump.

00:39:15.000 I see you, son.

00:39:16.000 That's on my hill running, man. 1.00

00:39:17.000 My ass is way bigger. 0.99

00:39:19.000 A lot of people have been complimenting me on it. 1.00

00:39:21.000 Nothing wrong with a nice ass. 1.00

00:39:22.000 I don't like that fat belly, though. 1.00

00:39:24.000 I'm so fat right now.

00:39:25.000 You are not fat.

00:39:26.000 For me?

00:39:27.000 152. 152. And what's the hardest?

00:39:31.000 No, I'm definitely fatter than I usually am.

00:39:33.000 I've been cheating on my diet way too much.

00:39:36.000 I hear you, man.

00:39:37.000 Cheating way too much.

00:39:38.000 Well, it's also, I can't, there's certain things I can't do in the gym right now, and I got this, man. 0.98

00:39:44.000 This dildo that I got here. 0.92

00:39:45.000 What do you do with that, bro? 0.98

00:39:47.000 This is for, you know, I have golfer's elbow.

00:39:50.000 I have this tendinitis.

00:39:51.000 I've had that for a while, yeah. 1.00

00:39:53.000 Fuck, dude! 1.00

00:39:53.000 I've never had tendinitis before. 1.00

00:39:55.000 Have you ever had it?

00:39:56.000 Yeah, not fun.

00:39:56.000 It takes forever!

00:39:58.000 Like, way more than a muscle.

00:39:59.000 Do you have shots in there?

00:40:00.000 I got PRP, I got Regenikine, I got stem cells, I had a bunch of shots.

00:40:06.000 This, this dildo I'm holding, this helped me more than any of them.

00:40:10.000 In two weeks, in two weeks this thing has helped me. 0.92

00:40:13.000 That dry needling you did seemed like it should have fixed everything.

00:40:15.000 What did?

00:40:16.000 The dry needling.

00:40:17.000 Oh, a complete waste of time.

00:40:19.000 Oh yeah, you saw me do that too.

00:40:20.000 I had dry needling where they used electricity too.

00:40:23.000 And they zapped it and made your hands pulse.

00:40:25.000 It did nothing for me.

00:40:26.000 Didn't help.

00:40:27.000 This helped.

00:40:28.000 This is cheap.

00:40:28.000 You buy it on Amazon.

00:40:30.000 It's called TheraBand.

00:40:32.000 And what do you do with it?

00:40:33.000 And my friend Brian told me about this.

00:40:35.000 Callan?

00:40:36.000 No, no, no.

00:40:36.000 Brian from...

00:40:38.000 I'll give you his last name.

00:40:39.000 Sorry.

00:40:40.000 He's Vinny Shorman's buddy from Fontana, California.

00:40:44.000 I think, what is his thing?

00:40:46.000 Double Deuce Muay Thai?

00:40:49.000 Is that his place?

00:40:50.000 Here, hold on a second.

00:40:51.000 That's a great shirt, by the way, Jamie.

00:40:53.000 Brian Dobler.

00:40:55.000 And Brian is a great Muay Thai coach himself.

00:40:59.000 He had an issue and he told me this is the thing that fixed him.

00:41:03.000 You take it, you hold it out like this right in front of you, right?

00:41:06.000 Then you twist.

00:41:07.000 This is the arm that's injured, the bottom arm.

00:41:09.000 So you hold out, you twist it with the other one and then you hold it straight and then you let it untwist with this arm slowly. 0.98

00:41:16.000 And I've been doing this shit all the time. 0.99

00:41:18.000 I do it in my car. 0.99

00:41:19.000 I take it with me at home. 0.96

00:41:20.000 But I'm twisting the shit out of it and then slowly untwisting it with my right side. 0.95

00:41:26.000 And it's helping? 0.86

00:41:26.000 Oh, dude, it makes a big impact. 0.86

00:41:29.000 It makes a big impact because it's strengthening it.

00:41:31.000 It's strengthening this little particular area, but it's also getting a ton of blood.

00:41:36.000 You hold it like that, like palm out, and then twist it.

00:41:41.000 Right?

00:41:41.000 And now straighten it out.

00:41:43.000 Now unwind it with this hand, with the injured hand.

00:41:45.000 There you go.

00:41:46.000 Just like that.

00:41:47.000 Yeah.

00:41:47.000 And you just do that slow.

00:41:49.000 And I'll do that for like five, ten minutes at a time.

00:41:52.000 And then I'll leave it alone.

00:41:53.000 Game changer, huh?

00:41:55.000 Game changer!

00:41:55.000 Feeling better?

00:41:56.000 Dude, a lot better. 0.79

00:41:58.000 I mean, obviously, I've had a lot of other shit done to it, like the Regenikine was like a month or so ago. 0.81

00:42:04.000 I'm sure it helped. 0.93

00:42:05.000 But that's good.

00:42:06.000 But this, once I started doing it almost immediately, within a few days, I started feeling better.

00:42:12.000 Basic, son. 0.99

00:42:14.000 There's a lot of shit I can't do. 0.99

00:42:16.000 I can't do chin-ups right now. 0.98

00:42:17.000 I haven't been able to do chin-ups.

00:42:18.000 I could do rows, but I can't go heavier than 50 pounds.

00:42:23.000 Everything has to be All about preserving this little ligament.

00:42:28.000 And your trainer knows that?

00:42:29.000 Yeah.

00:42:30.000 It's a new trainer?

00:42:31.000 Yeah.

00:42:32.000 As long as they're good trainers, they usually know how to adapt.

00:42:34.000 But even here, like when I'm training here.

00:42:36.000 Yeah, you can't do anything. 0.99

00:42:36.000 There's so much shit I can do. 0.99

00:42:38.000 I can't do anything on the rings. 0.99

00:42:39.000 No.

00:42:40.000 No hooks.

00:42:40.000 I can throw straight punches.

00:42:41.000 Yep, but no hooks.

00:42:42.000 No, no hooks.

00:42:43.000 Uppercut. 0.99

00:42:43.000 But it's getting much better just in two weeks of using this fucking thing. 0.99

00:42:47.000 Do you ever think about resting it? 0.99

00:42:48.000 Maybe just not doing anything, sir.

00:42:51.000 That's how I got fat.

00:42:53.000 Well, you can still get up. 1.00

00:42:55.000 You're crazy. 1.00

00:42:56.000 You're crazy. 1.00

00:42:57.000 For me to stick on a diet, I have to have a meal specialist delivering my meals. 0.88

00:43:02.000 I'm that guy right now.

00:43:04.000 I'm usually really good at it.

00:43:06.000 But one thing this has done is ramped up my hill running.

00:43:09.000 So I've been doing more hill running.

00:43:10.000 Are you the type of dude that, well, I always see late night, you're always posting. 1.00

00:43:14.000 Yeah, you got that fat ass. 1.00

00:43:15.000 I always see when, pH fat. 1.00

00:43:17.000 I see when at night when you come home from the comedy store, you're always posting like protein and veggies.

00:43:22.000 Yeah.

00:43:22.000 Are you really eating that?

00:43:23.000 Or are you like, there's that, and then you have McDonald's on the side?

00:43:25.000 No, I'm not doing McDonald's.

00:43:27.000 If I cheat, it's pasta.

00:43:29.000 Dude, that was me last night.

00:43:30.000 I ate a whole pizza the other day. 0.99

00:43:32.000 Fucking giving up. 0.99

00:43:33.000 Where from? 1.00

00:43:34.000 It was at a restaurant.

00:43:35.000 I went with the missus, and we ordered some other stuff, and I said, let's just get a pizza, too.

00:43:40.000 Right, that's how it starts.

00:43:41.000 She's like, I'm not really into this.

00:43:42.000 I'm like, good.

00:43:44.000 That's me, man.

00:43:45.000 I wolfed the whole pizza down. 1.00

00:43:46.000 I ate that whole fucking pizza. 1.00

00:43:47.000 And I'm so disappointed in myself. 1.00

00:43:49.000 I had these meals, man.

00:43:51.000 I've been strict on it. 0.99

00:43:52.000 When I'm on the road, it's fucking tough. 0.95

00:43:54.000 Or if I'm not getting any sleep, my body craves sugar and carbs. 0.98

00:43:57.000 Yep, yep.

00:43:58.000 Always. 0.99

00:43:59.000 But I'm screwed. 0.98

00:43:59.000 Same thing. 0.98

00:43:59.000 And I'm like, all right, just one. 0.98

00:44:00.000 And then one, I just can't stop myself.

00:44:03.000 Yeah, it's hard.

00:44:03.000 And then last night, I made my son this pasta, and of course I have to try it.

00:44:08.000 I gotta make sure it's not poison. 0.97

00:44:09.000 I tried it, I'm like, that's fucking way better than my meal I'm about to eat. 0.95

00:44:13.000 So I just fired up some tortellinis. 0.96

00:44:16.000 Yeah, it's hard.

00:44:17.000 It's also hard when you work hard.

00:44:19.000 Because I do a lot of things.

00:44:21.000 I'm always busy.

00:44:22.000 And it's like, sometimes I just want to go off with food.

00:44:25.000 Like, that's my indulgence.

00:44:27.000 That's the one thing where I can get loose on, man.

00:44:29.000 But most of the time, I'm very strict.

00:44:32.000 Most of the time.

00:44:33.000 But it's been hard with this injury.

00:44:34.000 Just because I thought it was going to be healed by now.

00:44:37.000 So it's been frustrating the shit out of me.

00:44:39.000 There's certain things I want to do.

00:44:40.000 Like, I was on this...

00:44:42.000 Heavy chin-up kick and heavy cleans and presses kick and that's probably where I wound up doing it because I felt some twinges and instead of just Working on it and like letting it heal up.

00:44:53.000 I pushed through it for months.

00:44:55.000 That's the athlete in you. 1.00

00:44:57.000 That's the idiot in me. 1.00

00:44:58.000 For months I pushed through it. 1.00

00:45:00.000 But that's how it works when you're an athlete.

00:45:01.000 I'm sure when you're doing taekwondo or jiu-jitsu, you get hurt.

00:45:04.000 It's not like, oh, let me take months off to make this better.

00:45:07.000 It's none of that.

00:45:08.000 Yeah.

00:45:08.000 And that's something that Eddie said about Tony.

00:45:10.000 Is it like Tony, when he gets hurt, he's like, whatever, I'm hurt.

00:45:13.000 Just works around it.

00:45:14.000 Whatever it is, he doesn't stop working out.

00:45:16.000 Ever.

00:45:17.000 Ever.

00:45:17.000 Yeah.

00:45:18.000 But this is an eye-opener for me.

00:45:20.000 This TheraBand thing is like, always keep searching.

00:45:24.000 And the other thing I have is this other thing where I put my fingers in this rubber thing and I expand my fingers.

00:45:29.000 It's very difficult to expand.

00:45:31.000 It's easy to contract.

00:45:32.000 You're always doing that.

00:45:33.000 But how much strength do you have this way?

00:45:34.000 Very little.

00:45:35.000 It's kind of shocking.

00:45:36.000 When do you ever do it?

00:45:37.000 Never.

00:45:37.000 Never?

00:45:38.000 Never.

00:45:38.000 But this rubber thing is really good.

00:45:40.000 And I think I read, I think it was Jim Stopani, who's a bodybuilder guy online. 0.99

00:45:44.000 He's got a bunch of supplements and shit. 0.97

00:45:46.000 And he's also a super, super smart, educated guy. 0.99

00:45:50.000 And he was recommending that for people with tendonitis.

00:45:53.000 There's a lot of different things you can do with bands.

00:45:56.000 And this one, this is the strongest one they have, too. 0.99

00:45:59.000 You keep shaking like a dick. 0.99

00:46:01.000 Do you think if you went to physiotherapy, they would have shown you all this stuff before you injected yourself with all these needles and stuff? 0.99

00:46:09.000 I feel like a lot of that's physio.

00:46:10.000 Maybe.

00:46:11.000 Yeah.

00:46:12.000 No.

00:46:12.000 You live, you learn.

00:46:14.000 Most of them were just saying, ice it and rest. 0.99

00:46:16.000 Oh, god damn it. 0.99

00:46:17.000 The rest, yes, but the rest they want. 0.99

00:46:19.000 It's just not what I want to do.

00:46:21.000 Yeah.

00:46:21.000 Well, it's also...

00:46:23.000 When your body is so used to going hard, and then you're not going hard, and then your body's like, okay, let's find some problems.

00:46:30.000 I know.

00:46:30.000 And I can't sit still, and it's like, well, now I'm lazy, and it affects everything.

00:46:35.000 Yeah, you feel like a bitch. 1.00

00:46:36.000 I know. 1.00

00:46:37.000 But, like I said, it's increased my badonkadonk. 1.00

00:46:41.000 Yeah, an ass on you. 1.00

00:46:42.000 Oh, man, dude. 1.00

00:46:43.000 The missus likes it or she wants you to tone it down?

00:46:45.000 She's happy with it. 1.00

00:46:45.000 No one likes a flat ass. 1.00

00:46:47.000 No one likes a flat ass. 1.00

00:46:47.000 Even on a guy. 1.00

00:46:48.000 Yeah.

00:46:48.000 No one.

00:46:49.000 That might be the worst thing if you have flat ass. 1.00

00:46:50.000 You know when a girl wants a flat ass? 1.00

00:46:51.000 I'd rather have a small dick than a flat ass. 1.00

00:46:52.000 A girl wants a flat ass because she knows the guy's not going anywhere. 1.00

00:46:55.000 Correct. 1.00

00:46:55.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:46:55.000 Look at him when it's flat ass. 1.00

00:46:57.000 Where you going, bitch? 1.00

00:46:58.000 Maserati, flat ass, fucking shitty jeans. 1.00

00:47:02.000 Loafers on. 1.00

00:47:04.000 Gucci loafers. 1.00

00:47:05.000 Gucci loafers, no socks, flat ass. 1.00

00:47:07.000 Gets tired walking upstairs. 0.99

00:47:09.000 Could you imagine if all of a sudden you had someone's flat ass and then you had to walk around and you had to realize, oh my god, it's so hard to walk up hills. 0.95

00:47:18.000 How do you get around? 0.99

00:47:20.000 How do you get around flat ass? 0.99

00:47:22.000 Carrying up the grocery bags up the stairs. 0.99

00:47:24.000 That's out.

00:47:26.000 I've seen it where it might be one of the easiest muscles to build. 0.99

00:47:31.000 There's some girls with flat asses, then you see them on Instagram, these Instagram models who do deadlifts or something, and then just over time, boom, that ass just grows like a tomato. 1.00

00:47:41.000 If they really are motivated, you can get your ass to grow. 1.00

00:47:45.000 A little winny, a little fucking... 1.00

00:47:47.000 A little of that, right? 1.00

00:47:48.000 Yeah.

00:47:48.000 For sure.

00:47:49.000 There's a lot of that going on with girls, man. 1.00

00:47:51.000 There is.

00:47:52.000 Winstraw is what we're talking about, folks.

00:47:54.000 You don't know what Winnie is.

00:47:54.000 Yeah, I wasn't referring to Winnie the Pooh.

00:47:56.000 I'm talking about Winstraw, son.

00:47:58.000 Steroids.

00:47:58.000 Yeah.

00:47:58.000 A lot of those fitness girls are doing steroids.

00:48:00.000 Yes.

00:48:01.000 They just do a little bit.

00:48:02.000 Just a little bit.

00:48:03.000 It changes them a little bit.

00:48:05.000 The jaw.

00:48:05.000 You look at the shoulders.

00:48:07.000 They get manly.

00:48:08.000 Anytime Cal sees a ripped girl, he goes, steroids! 1.00

00:48:14.000 They keep that shit though. 1.00

00:48:16.000 They keep it. 1.00

00:48:17.000 That's what's weird.

00:48:18.000 They keep the manly parts.

00:48:19.000 They don't just keep the muscles. 1.00

00:48:22.000 When they get off the shit, their face is still hard. 0.99

00:48:25.000 Yeah, their face structure is a little different. 1.00

00:48:27.000 There's a lady who lives in my neighborhood. 1.00

00:48:28.000 She used to be a big ol' Ms. Olympia. 1.00

00:48:30.000 And I see her walking around.

00:48:32.000 It's weird.

00:48:33.000 She looks like a man, not just in her face, but in the way she carries herself.

00:48:40.000 Everything, right?

00:48:41.000 That sounds weird to say, but there's a certain masculine quality that the people, the women that take massive amounts of steroids, they develop. 0.97

00:48:51.000 They just develop.

00:48:52.000 They look different.

00:48:53.000 They're whiter. 0.90

00:48:55.000 Yeah, they don't look like they're going to take care of you.

00:48:59.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:49:02.000 I'm not attracted to that.

00:49:05.000 No.

00:49:05.000 Sweet and cuddly.

00:49:08.000 They're not going to be the best moms, is what I'm saying here.

00:49:11.000 You know what's interesting, too?

00:49:12.000 That's even bad.

00:49:15.000 But if you want that, those career women will be mad at you. 1.00

00:49:21.000 Oh, I know!

00:49:22.000 If you want a soft, sweet, caring woman who likes to cuddle and is going to be a good mom and is just sweet to be around and kind and friendly. 0.79

00:49:30.000 Oh, you mean the opposite of us?

00:49:31.000 Yeah.

00:49:32.000 Yeah, but a lot of career women will get mad at you. 1.00

00:49:35.000 I know.

00:49:36.000 Like, oh, is that what you want?

00:49:37.000 You want a woman who just can't take care of herself? 1.00

00:49:39.000 Oh, you don't want an equal? 1.00

00:49:40.000 No, bitch, I'd date Brian Callen. 1.00

00:49:41.000 Like, I'm good. 1.00

00:49:43.000 I'd toss a wig on Brian if I wanted that.

00:49:45.000 Well, that equal stuff is like, equal how?

00:49:47.000 How so?

00:49:48.000 Oh, you just can't date your equal?

00:49:49.000 Oh, you go date some cartoon?

00:49:51.000 Like, alright.

00:49:52.000 Oh, okay, but they want to be a woman in some respect, right? 1.00

00:49:54.000 They don't want to be an equal. 0.56

00:49:55.000 They're not claiming they're, like, as strong as you or as funny as you or know as much about... 1.00

00:50:04.000 Pussy. 1.00

00:50:04.000 Where are you an equal? 1.00

00:50:06.000 You're not an equal, you're a woman. 1.00

00:50:07.000 You're just an aggressive, successful, powerful woman. 1.00

00:50:12.000 But you're not a man. 1.00

00:50:14.000 Like, if you were an equal, I'd be gay. 0.99

00:50:16.000 Correct. 1.00

00:50:16.000 We'd be two dudes, like, high-fiving and butt-fucking. 1.00

00:50:19.000 Yes, and watching the game together. 0.97

00:50:21.000 Which is fine, too.

00:50:21.000 Yeah, if that's your thing, that's cool.

00:50:23.000 But like, this whole want an equal?

00:50:25.000 Like, why are we playing math games?

00:50:27.000 Yeah, why can't we just be chill?

00:50:29.000 Can't we just like each other?

00:50:30.000 Yeah.

00:50:30.000 Why do we have to be equal?

00:50:31.000 Yeah.

00:50:32.000 What is that?

00:50:32.000 I don't know.

00:50:33.000 It's weird.

00:50:34.000 And I run from it.

00:50:36.000 I run from it.

00:50:37.000 Success women.

00:50:38.000 Who said there can only be one headshot in the household? 0.99

00:50:41.000 Have you ever heard that?

00:50:42.000 That's good, though.

00:50:43.000 You can only have one headshot in the household.

00:50:45.000 It's not going to work out if you both want to be famous.

00:50:47.000 You know what George Harrison once said?

00:50:48.000 He said, all I need from a woman is to be attracted to her, everything else I get from a man.

00:50:56.000 That's a great quote.

00:50:57.000 Wow. 1.00

00:50:58.000 We're gonna get shit for that. 0.99

00:50:59.000 Well, we didn't say that. 0.99

00:51:00.000 I didn't say it.

00:51:01.000 No.

00:51:01.000 I would never say that.

00:51:02.000 I would not either.

00:51:03.000 I would agree with that.

00:51:04.000 I'd go, that's cool.

00:51:05.000 I need a woman to be my equal. 1.00

00:51:06.000 I need an equal.

00:51:07.000 My equal. 1.00

00:51:08.000 Pay the rent, bitch. 1.00

00:51:08.000 And I need someone who calls me on my shit and yells at me all the time and throws things at me. 1.00

00:51:13.000 And even makes fun of me. 1.00

00:51:14.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:51:15.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:51:16.000 That's what I want.

00:51:17.000 That's exactly what.

00:51:17.000 Just demeaning.

00:51:18.000 And then comes home with a six-pack and rips a huge fart. 0.52

00:51:20.000 Look at this. 1.00

00:51:21.000 Female bodybuilder Candice Armstrong's steroid habit made her grow a penis and facial hair. 1.00

00:51:26.000 Whoa, she's a dude. 0.99

00:51:28.000 Are you sure that's real?

00:51:29.000 She's on that Gold's Gym diet. 1.00

00:51:33.000 Let's see the dick. 1.00

00:51:35.000 Come on. 1.00

00:51:36.000 Whoa.

00:51:36.000 Oh, wow.

00:51:37.000 See, she turned into a man. 0.98

00:51:39.000 Oh, wow. 0.96

00:51:40.000 That's a heavy whitehead on her. 0.99

00:51:41.000 That's a giant whitehead on her bicep. 1.00

00:51:44.000 They must have put makeup on her, too. 0.94

00:51:45.000 How are they letting that whitehead go? 0.57

00:51:48.000 That's staff. 0.87

00:51:48.000 Yeah, why wouldn't they cover that up? 0.87

00:51:50.000 Dude, she's so jacked. 1.00

00:51:51.000 Look at her hands. 0.87

00:51:52.000 Oh my god, look at her arms. 0.99

00:51:53.000 Dude, she's jacked. 1.00

00:51:54.000 Ah, look at her face. 1.00

00:51:55.000 That's a dude.

00:51:56.000 That's a dude.

00:51:57.000 Come on, is this a joke?

00:51:59.000 This might be a joke.

00:52:00.000 She looks like Criss Angel. 0.98

00:52:01.000 She doesn't even look like... 1.00

00:52:02.000 But jacked.

00:52:02.000 Yeah, but the size of her hands looks proportionate, too.

00:52:06.000 She doesn't look like a girl.

00:52:07.000 There's nothing feminine about that woman. 0.99

00:52:09.000 Look at her back. 1.00

00:52:10.000 Holy shit. 0.99

00:52:11.000 Look at those back pics. 0.99

00:52:12.000 I think that's the same person.

00:52:13.000 You sure?

00:52:14.000 Yeah.

00:52:14.000 Are you sure?

00:52:15.000 Oh, my God.

00:52:16.000 That's Photoshop. 1.00

00:52:17.000 Damn! 0.99

00:52:18.000 Look at that. 1.00

00:52:18.000 That's a dude with a nice set of hair. 1.00

00:52:20.000 Well, some girls can be jacked and muscular, but still look like a woman. 1.00

00:52:25.000 Like Felice Herrig.

00:52:26.000 Do you see Felice Herrig?

00:52:27.000 She's fighting this weekend.

00:52:28.000 Bodied up.

00:52:29.000 She's bodied up.

00:52:30.000 But you see the picture of her doing double biceps from the back? 0.99

00:52:33.000 No.

00:52:33.000 There's some pictures she did at the UFC press thing.

00:52:35.000 You're like, jacked!

00:52:37.000 Attractive young lady. 1.00

00:52:38.000 Jacked! 0.97

00:52:38.000 There's a few who are jacked, who are attractive. 0.97

00:52:41.000 She's jacked. 0.99

00:52:42.000 But she's jacked like a woman. 1.00

00:52:43.000 She's jacked like a woman who lifts weights. 1.00

00:52:45.000 Yeah, it doesn't look artificial.

00:52:46.000 No.

00:52:46.000 This lady that we just saw.

00:52:48.000 That?

00:52:48.000 Yeah.

00:52:49.000 That's a good picture, but that's just her looking fit. 0.99

00:52:52.000 There's a picture of her.

00:52:54.000 Just Google her image, double bicep or something like that. 1.00

00:52:58.000 She's a lady. 1.00

00:52:59.000 She's an attractive lady. 1.00

00:53:00.000 There you see it.

00:53:01.000 She's Shred City, son. 0.98

00:53:03.000 That's a shredded, fit woman. 1.00

00:53:05.000 But that looks like a woman. 1.00

00:53:07.000 Like, look at her arms. 0.77

00:53:08.000 It looks like a powerful woman's arm. 1.00

00:53:10.000 Who's in shape as balls. 1.00

00:53:12.000 Yeah, in shape as fuck. 1.00

00:53:13.000 But that other lady, that didn't look like... 1.00

00:53:15.000 I should've said balls. 0.99

00:53:16.000 I didn't mean in shape as balls. 0.99

00:53:18.000 Goddammit. 0.99

00:53:18.000 You meant a good thing. 0.99

00:53:19.000 Now we get shit online. 1.00

00:53:20.000 She's a tank. 1.00

00:53:21.000 Fire shop! 1.00

00:53:22.000 He said balls! 0.99

00:53:23.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:53:24.000 We can't fire you for your own thing.

00:53:26.000 If they fire you from Showtime, it'll be like they use the force against themselves.

00:53:30.000 It'll just make you stronger. 1.00

00:53:32.000 I do say a lot of crazy shit, though. 1.00

00:53:33.000 You could do that show on your own. 1.00

00:53:36.000 Anything like that, you could do it on your own.

00:53:38.000 I think it's great that you're on Showtime.

00:53:39.000 It's a fun show, too.

00:53:41.000 What I like about it is you're being you on that show.

00:53:44.000 When I see you on that show, I'm like, oh, they let him be himself. 1.00

00:53:47.000 Like you say, a bunch of silly shit. 1.00

00:53:49.000 You're laughing. 1.00

00:53:49.000 There's a lot of cracking up. 1.00

00:53:51.000 Yeah.

00:53:51.000 I have fun.

00:53:52.000 They let me do my thing.

00:53:53.000 The first one, there was a lot of teleprompter.

00:53:55.000 And I was like, God, that's really not my thing.

00:53:57.000 Y'all let me go.

00:53:58.000 And they listened to me.

00:53:59.000 That's the great thing about Showtime.

00:54:00.000 They listened to me.

00:54:01.000 But the fans were like, man, this isn't why we listen to Brendan to be another frickin' sports show.

00:54:05.000 Like, you gotta let him go.

00:54:07.000 And literally, they all were like, alright, here you go, man.

00:54:09.000 Here's your point.

00:54:10.000 Do what you want to do.

00:54:11.000 I'm like, really?

00:54:11.000 But then they edit it so I don't get in trouble.

00:54:15.000 Like, on my podcast.

00:54:19.000 Which is why there's show time and I'm what I do well that mean this is what we We talked about the other day with Eve Edwards. 1.00

00:54:26.000 He was in here That was that's one of those things like and I was saying when you talk as much as we talk We both I talk too much you talk too much we talk too much yes when you talk too much Shit comes out of your mouth. 1.00

00:54:38.000 You're gonna step in some shit. 1.00

00:54:39.000 And then you're scrambling, trying to make it make sense. 1.00

00:54:44.000 Joe, I can't...

00:54:46.000 I didn't listen to the podcast with these.

00:54:48.000 I like these.

00:54:49.000 We don't know each other that well.

00:54:50.000 The thing that bothers me about this is...

00:54:52.000 We're good to go.

00:55:12.000 Before that show, me and Brian were talking about something with race and men and women, and somehow that entered my brain, and I have no animosity towards...

00:55:21.000 This is why it doesn't make sense.

00:55:23.000 I have no animosity towards UFC Tonight.

00:55:24.000 It's one of my favorite shows.

00:55:26.000 I've worked with Karen Bryant for over 10 years.

00:55:28.000 She's a good friend.

00:55:29.000 Woodley.

00:55:30.000 DC, Kenny Florian's a good friend.

00:55:32.000 Bisbing's a good buddy.

00:55:33.000 I don't know Yves.

00:55:35.000 I work with the team on UFC Night.

00:55:37.000 I love those guys.

00:55:37.000 I just had Jimmy Smith in on my show who works there.

00:55:41.000 It makes zero sense.

00:55:42.000 And then I was in St. Louis and I started to get texts from someone involved in that show.

00:55:47.000 I won't say their name.

00:55:48.000 And he goes, hey man, some people are upset here about what you said.

00:55:51.000 And I'm like, I can't even tell you what I said.

00:55:53.000 And he tells me, what?!

00:55:55.000 And then Chin goes, hey man, I'm seeing online about some of this stuff.

00:55:58.000 He goes, should I edit it out?

00:55:59.000 I went, no, we never do that.

00:56:00.000 I go, don't edit.

00:56:01.000 Let me deal with it.

00:56:02.000 Let me see what I say.

00:56:03.000 Because that makes me look even worse if you cut it out.

00:56:05.000 It looks like I was saying something that I wasn't meant to say.

00:56:08.000 And then, you know, Yves was upset.

00:56:10.000 And then me and Yves text back and forth.

00:56:12.000 Again, I don't know him.

00:56:13.000 Brian worked with him a little bit on certain stuff for help or something like that for shows or what he was trying to do, which is great.

00:56:19.000 Everyone should talk to Brian if you're friends with him.

00:56:21.000 And then I sent Eve a text, his number from Brian, and I thought it was over, squashed.

00:56:27.000 And then I was doing PR for my Below the Belt show in New York.

00:56:31.000 And someone brought it up, and I went, oh, man.

00:56:33.000 Again, I meant no offense.

00:56:35.000 I come up with about 10 hours of content a week.

00:56:38.000 I can't even tell you what I was saying.

00:56:39.000 I messed up. 0.97

00:56:40.000 Whoever had problems with it, if it's Eve Edwards, that's his own insecurities, which is so stupid because I couldn't even tell you what he should be insecure about. 0.98

00:56:50.000 It doesn't make sense. 1.00

00:56:51.000 And then as soon as I got done with that interview, I get texts from my brother who goes, you're an idiot. 1.00

00:56:55.000 You resurfaced that story. 1.00

00:56:57.000 I'm like, oh, my God.

00:57:00.000 And so I text Eve again.

00:57:01.000 And then Eve comes on here, right?

00:57:04.000 And then I haven't listened to it.

00:57:06.000 And then I text Eve like, dude, I don't want to keep going through this.

00:57:10.000 I'm at zero offense.

00:57:11.000 I've texted Karen Bryant, DC, Woodley, literally anyone you see tonight.

00:57:18.000 This business, especially entertainment, you know this better than anyone.

00:57:20.000 It's impossible to be successful in this business. 1.00

00:57:23.000 It's a fucking monster. 1.00

00:57:25.000 I'm willing to help them out. 1.00

00:57:27.000 I want the help.

00:57:28.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:57:28.000 I don't even want to criticize people.

00:57:30.000 That's not what I do.

00:57:31.000 That's not why I signed up for this.

00:57:33.000 You just got caught on a path when you started talking about something.

00:57:37.000 And then one of the things that we do, the best part about it is there's no script.

00:57:42.000 The best and the worst.

00:57:43.000 It's the worst.

00:57:44.000 Because I have to deal with this.

00:57:45.000 Sometimes it goes haywire.

00:57:47.000 Yeah.

00:57:47.000 It didn't go haywire.

00:57:48.000 My biggest issue is whenever someone was hurt by my words or is upset by something I said, then I'm like, again, I don't know Eve's that well at all.

00:57:58.000 But I lost sleep over it.

00:58:00.000 I'm like, oh my God, what am I doing?

00:58:02.000 I have respect for him.

00:58:03.000 He's a pioneer at 155. Again, I love all the people you see tonight.

00:58:06.000 I watch the show all the goddamn time. 0.98

00:58:08.000 They're my friends. 0.99

00:58:09.000 It makes zero sense.

00:58:10.000 And you tried to just make sense of your words.

00:58:13.000 Makes no sense.

00:58:14.000 I apologize to you.

00:58:15.000 It's all good.

00:58:16.000 I told him, open door policy, once you come on the show, we can talk about it on there, but I put my foot in my mouth.

00:58:21.000 And I hate to tell you, it's probably going to happen again.

00:58:23.000 I wish I could say it's not.

00:58:24.000 It's probably going to happen again.

00:58:24.000 That's part of what makes it fun, is that you are really working without a filter, working without a net.

00:58:31.000 You're just trying to have fun.

00:58:33.000 Yeah.

00:58:33.000 I mean, that's...

00:58:34.000 And sometimes you take some swings and you miss.

00:58:36.000 Yeah, you miss a lot.

00:58:37.000 I can't even tell what a ball I was trying to hit.

00:58:40.000 I can't even tell you.

00:58:40.000 I was taking swings at balls I didn't even know what I was hitting.

00:58:43.000 So, yeah, sometimes that shit happens. 0.99

00:58:45.000 It happens. 0.99

00:58:46.000 Yeah.

00:58:47.000 It's just one of those things.

00:58:48.000 I mean, I've done it a hundred times on this podcast. 0.99

00:58:51.000 I said some shit, and I was like, what the fuck did I even say that for? 0.99

00:58:54.000 I don't even know what was going on in my mind. 1.00

00:58:56.000 And sometimes, like when you're trying to form a sentence, like right now I'm trying to form a sentence, right?

00:59:00.000 Like sometimes...

00:59:01.000 While you're thinking about it, you're like, this isn't going so good.

00:59:04.000 Let me try to make it sound better.

00:59:06.000 Or let me try to see if I can rescue this for the people that are listening and make some sense. 0.99

00:59:11.000 And then it just makes it more cloudy and more fucked up. 0.97

00:59:14.000 And it's hard for people to follow and you're just like, oh my god, I speak for a living. 0.99

00:59:18.000 Yeah.

00:59:18.000 Have you ever been on stage?

00:59:19.000 He's going through my set, and I've been doing it so much lately.

00:59:24.000 I'll be in the middle of it, and in my mind, I'll fast forward to already the next bit, and I'm thinking about that bit while I'm doing this one.

00:59:31.000 Have you ever done that?

00:59:32.000 You're going to be careful about that.

00:59:33.000 I know, because I'm not present.

00:59:35.000 Don't do that.

00:59:35.000 And you know what happened?

00:59:36.000 I skipped over a part that was new, and I thought it was going to be a home run.

00:59:42.000 I skipped over it.

00:59:43.000 Yeah.

00:59:43.000 And I went back, because I recorded it, right?

00:59:46.000 And I didn't realize I was doing the moment, and I listened and I go, oh my god!

00:59:50.000 And I remember in my head going, dude, you're here, you're in first base, you're looking at third already.

00:59:57.000 You missed second base.

00:59:58.000 You're not even the moment.

01:00:00.000 That's hard because you never know how you should think when you're on stage.

01:00:05.000 You're doing the bit and you're just trying to perform the bit right.

01:00:08.000 And if it's going well, then you start thinking, okay, this is going well.

01:00:11.000 What am I going to lead into next?

01:00:13.000 But while you're still talking about the original thing, you can't do that.

01:00:16.000 I know.

01:00:16.000 Have you done that before, though?

01:00:17.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:00:18.000 No, I've definitely done it.

01:00:20.000 I was so disappointed in myself, man.

01:00:22.000 The big thing about comedy, one of the big things is the audience has to know that you are honestly thinking about that subject.

01:00:29.000 Like, even if you talked about it a hundred times, When you're talking about it that day in front of those people, they want...

01:00:37.000 They're hearing it for the first time.

01:00:39.000 They want you to be tuned into that subject 100%.

01:00:42.000 And present.

01:00:43.000 Yeah.

01:00:43.000 If you're not, they can sense it.

01:00:45.000 I know.

01:00:45.000 I was so disappointed in myself.

01:00:47.000 I've never done it before.

01:00:48.000 And it was very strange, too.

01:00:50.000 And this is what hurts me about the Eve Edwards situation is the guys I look up to, yourself, Gary Shandling, they always help people, man.

01:00:58.000 You don't put anyone down.

01:00:59.000 They always help people.

01:01:00.000 And I don't have the same platform you guys have, but...

01:01:03.000 I like to think one day I will, and I want to help people like you guys help people.

01:01:06.000 There's the 60 degrees of separation, and you look at all the lives you've touched and Gary Shanley, it's insane.

01:01:13.000 That's so inspirational to me.

01:01:15.000 And I was watching the Gary Shanley doc, and I went, man, that's so cool. 0.98

01:01:18.000 And that's why this Edwards situation is fucking me up, because I'm like, damn, man, I don't want to hurt anyone. 0.92

01:01:24.000 But back to the comedy, I was so excited because Gary Shanley stuff, whenever they show Comedy Store stuff, it's just, I'm so into it, man. 0.95

01:01:33.000 He was talking about the Comedy Store, and I got super inspired, and I was like, let's do this.

01:01:37.000 I've never been more pumped to hit the stage, and then that happened.

01:01:40.000 I was so disappointed.

01:01:42.000 You're still getting it.

01:01:43.000 I mean, think about how long you've been doing stand-up.

01:01:45.000 You've been doing it less than two years.

01:01:46.000 Yeah.

01:01:47.000 This is a thing that's going to come up.

01:01:49.000 Yeah, I know.

01:01:50.000 It's like when you're doing a certain move and you leave yourself open for an arm bar. 0.99

01:01:56.000 How the fuck am I still doing that? 0.99

01:01:59.000 You just have to cement it into your head. 0.99

01:02:02.000 It's a craft.

01:02:04.000 You've got a great work ethic.

01:02:07.000 And you're a funny dude.

01:02:08.000 And you're very good at going off the cuff.

01:02:11.000 And you're impulsive.

01:02:13.000 Those are all great qualities for comedy.

01:02:15.000 And you're also doing the work involved...

01:02:18.000 You're listening to tapes.

01:02:19.000 You're going over notes.

01:02:21.000 You're doing things a lot of comics don't do. 0.99

01:02:23.000 Because a lot of comics are fucking lazy. 0.98

01:02:25.000 Like, I've had conversations with dudes. 0.99

01:02:27.000 I'm like, you did a fucking special last August or last October and you're already recording another one? 0.79

01:02:33.000 And I'm like, yeah, I work. 0.99

01:02:34.000 I fucking work, man. 0.99

01:02:36.000 Like, I really work. 1.00

01:02:38.000 Like, I get home from a comedy store.

01:02:40.000 I'll get home.

01:02:41.000 It's 1230 at night. 1.00

01:02:43.000 I'll just sit in front of the fucking TV. I'll put something on just for background and I pull out the laptop and I start writing. 0.99

01:02:50.000 When you come back from the time store, right?

01:02:51.000 That's the best time to do it.

01:02:53.000 I go over subjects.

01:02:55.000 Sometimes I just have something in the background just for visual.

01:02:57.000 I just like to be stimulated by something.

01:03:00.000 Sometimes I'll just sit by myself at my desk.

01:03:02.000 Just nothing. 1.00

01:03:03.000 Just nothing but that fucking screen, staring at it. 0.99

01:03:06.000 And when I do that, every two or three days, I'll come up with a great line. 1.00

01:03:11.000 Every two or three days.

01:03:12.000 Which is nuts.

01:03:13.000 Which is a lot of work.

01:03:14.000 Yeah.

01:03:15.000 And because usually I'll come home...

01:03:17.000 You know, it's late at night.

01:03:19.000 I'll just take one little hit.

01:03:22.000 Just sit there and go over the ideas.

01:03:24.000 Give those ideas their time.

01:03:25.000 The stuff you already have.

01:03:27.000 Yeah.

01:03:27.000 Give those ideas their time.

01:03:28.000 And then maybe I have a new idea.

01:03:30.000 Maybe I have a new idea.

01:03:31.000 I'll flesh that out, too.

01:03:32.000 And then I'll come back and look at that again tomorrow night.

01:03:34.000 And then I have a whole list.

01:03:35.000 I started using this program called Scrivener.

01:03:37.000 Have you ever heard of Scrivener?

01:03:38.000 No.

01:03:38.000 On the iPad?

01:03:40.000 No.

01:03:41.000 Well, you can use it on Mac.

01:03:44.000 It'll work on an iPad.

01:03:45.000 Or you could use it on Windows, too.

01:03:48.000 I've been writing on Windows.

01:03:50.000 Do you like that?

01:03:51.000 Yeah.

01:03:51.000 I like actual paper.

01:03:53.000 Paper's good, but I can't write with my hands as fast as I can type.

01:03:58.000 The phone version?

01:03:59.000 Oh, they've got a phone version, too.

01:04:01.000 Is that for Android as well?

01:04:02.000 Probably.

01:04:03.000 It says features for iOS.

01:04:04.000 So what exactly do you do with this, Joe?

01:04:06.000 Well, this is different.

01:04:08.000 Show the corkboard thing.

01:04:10.000 The corkboard thing is interesting.

01:04:14.000 What they do is, just see if you could, yeah, right there.

01:04:17.000 Pull that up.

01:04:18.000 So, they have it like, this is like, you could do it in different colors, so you could have different, each one of those things, those little windows, can be like a box.

01:04:26.000 Oh, that's cool. 0.87

01:04:27.000 That, you know, that doesn't look like a cork board, but sometimes you could change the background shit and make it actually look like a cork board.

01:04:34.000 But what it is, is basically a board, a bulletin board, where you've taken an index card and you put it up there and the index card has the subject.

01:04:42.000 Oh, that's sweet.

01:04:42.000 I do that.

01:04:43.000 In real life, too.

01:04:45.000 I have a real cork board, and I put index cards on the cork board like if I'm doing like vegan cat.

01:04:51.000 I'll do that bit.

01:04:52.000 I'll put it up right there.

01:04:55.000 I can't wait for that one.

01:04:57.000 I put all these different things on the cork board.

01:05:01.000 Then I'll look at them, and I'll pick one, and then I'll do it.

01:05:04.000 But really all these different things is just about making the time, putting the focus in.

01:05:10.000 Discipline.

01:05:11.000 That's what you do, and that's why you're getting better so quick. 1.00

01:05:14.000 And all these other guys are like, what the fuck? 0.99

01:05:15.000 He's already doing an hour. 1.00

01:05:17.000 What the fuck? 1.00

01:05:17.000 He's touring the road. 1.00

01:05:18.000 He works!

01:05:19.000 He listens to those recordings.

01:05:21.000 Nobody listens to the recordings, man.

01:05:23.000 They record them, and they never listen to them.

01:05:25.000 I listen.

01:05:25.000 You gotta listen.

01:05:26.000 You have to. 0.99

01:05:26.000 It sucks to hear your voice, right? 0.99

01:05:28.000 It's not good. 0.99

01:05:29.000 That's what it looks like.

01:05:30.000 Oh, that's sweet, man.

01:05:32.000 Yeah.

01:05:32.000 So, it's set up like that.

01:05:34.000 Like, where it literally looks like.

01:05:36.000 So, I have that on my laptop.

01:05:37.000 And so, I come home.

01:05:39.000 I'll bust open a card.

01:05:40.000 And I'll pick a subject.

01:05:41.000 And I'll start going.

01:05:42.000 And if something else comes to mind while I'm on that, I'll just start talking about that.

01:05:47.000 I'll just keep going.

01:05:48.000 It's all just about opening up the floodgates.

01:05:50.000 But really, just about giving...

01:05:53.000 Giving everything more time, giving everything more attention, more focus, you know?

01:05:58.000 And not just skimming through it.

01:05:59.000 It's never done. 0.98

01:06:00.000 What's good is a moment like this where you fucked up and you were thinking about one bit while you're thinking about another. 0.95

01:06:05.000 Now you know that that can happen. 0.98

01:06:06.000 So that's like a lesson.

01:06:08.000 So just look at it as a good thing.

01:06:09.000 Like now your set will be stronger because of that.

01:06:12.000 Whenever I have a bad set, the one good thing that it says to me is like, okay, I know how bad that feels.

01:06:19.000 I know where I went wrong.

01:06:21.000 It's live comedy, man.

01:06:23.000 Live is crazy.

01:06:24.000 There's so many factors.

01:06:26.000 It's so loose and wild.

01:06:28.000 It's a crazy way to perform.

01:06:31.000 And sometimes it doesn't go right.

01:06:33.000 It's the purest way to perform.

01:06:35.000 But everyone I know, like, as far as who's at, just the tip of the spear as far as comedy, like you, Burr, D'Elia, there's one thing in common, all you guys work, man.

01:06:46.000 Gotta work.

01:06:46.000 Work, relentless, relentless.

01:06:47.000 Constantly.

01:06:48.000 Gotta be doing sets all the time.

01:06:50.000 You know, I'll do sets three, four nights a week at the least.

01:06:54.000 A good week, I'll do five.

01:06:56.000 Like, wrapping up for my special, I'll do five.

01:06:59.000 And your special's in April, right?

01:07:01.000 Yeah.

01:07:02.000 April 20th, Boston.

01:07:03.000 Hell yeah.

01:07:04.000 20th and 21st.

01:07:05.000 Can't wait, man.

01:07:07.000 How great is that room?

01:07:09.000 The best.

01:07:10.000 That room is crazy, right?

01:07:11.000 Dude, for me, I highlight that one.

01:07:13.000 As far as lifetime achievements of Wilbur, for a guy like me to sell at the Wilbur, what?

01:07:18.000 And then you open and we kept it a secret.

01:07:20.000 And I'm a chatty Cathy.

01:07:21.000 I'm so proud of myself.

01:07:22.000 That was great.

01:07:23.000 That was great. 0.99

01:07:24.000 The fucking best, man. 0.99

01:07:25.000 Well, also, that place is like three comedy clubs. 0.99

01:07:27.000 Yes.

01:07:28.000 It's like everyone's so close to you, even though it's like 1,100 people, 1,200 people, whatever it is, they're stacked up so close to you.

01:07:35.000 It's like 500 on the bottom, and then, yeah.

01:07:38.000 You know what's like that in the fight world is the Palms.

01:07:40.000 Yes.

01:07:41.000 Where when I fought Roy, I was like, God, get off of me, man.

01:07:44.000 Get out of here.

01:07:45.000 I didn't like it.

01:07:46.000 The Palms was great.

01:07:47.000 Yeah, Palms was great.

01:07:48.000 They're not doing that anymore, right?

01:07:49.000 No.

01:07:50.000 I think, doesn't Lorenzo own the Palms now?

01:07:52.000 Didn't they buy the Palms?

01:07:53.000 Yeah, they did, yeah.

01:07:54.000 Wow.

01:07:56.000 Hashtag ballin'.

01:07:56.000 Takin' over.

01:07:57.000 Yeah, because 27 casinos just isn't enough.

01:08:00.000 Like, nah, let's keep it goin'.

01:08:01.000 Yeah.

01:08:02.000 They own all those station casinos. 1.00

01:08:04.000 Those fuckers are everywhere. 1.00

01:08:05.000 You ever stay that one? 1.00

01:08:06.000 No.

01:08:07.000 Don't.

01:08:09.000 They made me stay at that Palace Station Casino before I went on the Ultimate Fighter.

01:08:15.000 The worst hotel I've ever stayed in my life.

01:08:16.000 Really?

01:08:17.000 The worst?

01:08:17.000 The worst.

01:08:18.000 Hands down, I've never stayed in the worst hotel. 0.97

01:08:20.000 Now, at the time, it was under construction, it was off the Strip, and of course, there was a hooker being smacked around the other room. 1.00

01:08:26.000 I've told this story.

01:08:27.000 When I thought I was going to be a Captain Saboho, and the guy pulled out a gun and I ran in my underwear and almost got kicked off the Ultimate Fighter.

01:08:33.000 I've told this story on here, I think.

01:08:34.000 But that was Palace Station Casino.

01:08:36.000 The guy pulled a gun on you?

01:08:38.000 Well, it was the night before The Ultimate Fighter, right?

01:08:42.000 Sorry if you've already heard this.

01:08:43.000 It was the night before The Ultimate Fighter, and they put all the fighters in there.

01:08:46.000 And they tell you, the production staff goes, do not leave this room.

01:08:49.000 If you leave this room, you will be kicked off the show before it even begins.

01:08:53.000 You're not allowed to leave this room.

01:08:54.000 We're taking your phone, everything.

01:08:56.000 All you have is what you bring in the house.

01:08:58.000 Do not leave this room.

01:08:59.000 We'll bring you food.

01:09:00.000 Any food you want, call down.

01:09:01.000 So I called, had myself a nice Caesar salad because I was worried about my figure on the Ultimate Fighter the next day.

01:09:06.000 And I finally fall asleep, and I hear this arguing next door, and the walls are paper thin.

01:09:11.000 It's Pallet Station, for God's sakes.

01:09:13.000 And I hear this guy and this girl arguing.

01:09:16.000 I'm like, it's waking me up. 1.00

01:09:16.000 I'm like, what the fuck? 1.00

01:09:17.000 And then she's just going off, and I hear him slap the piss out of her. 1.00

01:09:22.000 Boom! 0.99

01:09:23.000 Like, hard.

01:09:24.000 And then I hear her keep going, and I hear him hit her again.

01:09:26.000 I'm like, alright, man. 1.00

01:09:28.000 So I'm like, fuck this. 0.99

01:09:29.000 So I get up in my underoos to stop this, because I just thought it was a regular dude hitting a girl. 0.99

01:09:35.000 I'm not cool with that, man. 1.00

01:09:36.000 I get up, and it's all dark, get on my underwear, and I hear another dude go, nah, man, nah, man, fuck this bitch, I'm going to shoot her. 1.00

01:09:43.000 And I hear a gun clock them all. 1.00

01:09:46.000 Definitely not going in there now. 1.00

01:09:48.000 Fuck that noise. 1.00

01:09:49.000 And I'm like, God, it's so quiet. 1.00

01:09:51.000 I'm like, I don't want him to hear me. 0.98

01:09:52.000 So I'm army crawling in my undies to the door because I'm afraid fucking gunfire is going to go off. 0.99

01:09:58.000 I get to my door and I hear him go, hold up, dog. 0.99

01:10:02.000 Hold up.

01:10:02.000 Someone's next door.

01:10:03.000 I'm like, oh, shit. 0.99

01:10:05.000 So you'll see that I'm sure there's video of this pal station. 0.99

01:10:07.000 Me just booking down the hallway and And I run to the casino and the staff was like gambling or something.

01:10:13.000 They see me go running by and I went to go get security.

01:10:15.000 In your underwear?

01:10:16.000 In my underwear.

01:10:17.000 And I went to go get security. 0.99

01:10:18.000 But all the production staff saw me and they're like, what the fuck is Shaab doing? 0.98

01:10:22.000 So I told her, I'm like, hey, some girl's about to get shot next door. 1.00

01:10:26.000 I don't know what's going on, but she was hit before.

01:10:28.000 There's two dudes in there and there's a lady in my room, 213. And they're like, all right. 0.97

01:10:33.000 So they go, show us.

01:10:34.000 So I go up there.

01:10:35.000 I'm like, it's there.

01:10:36.000 It's there.

01:10:38.000 And then they just...

01:10:38.000 They go, go to your room.

01:10:40.000 But I'm in my room, like, looking to see what's going on.

01:10:42.000 And, like, a whole crew of them go in. 1.00

01:10:44.000 Fucking... 0.99

01:10:45.000 The girl starts defending the dude. 1.00

01:10:47.000 Attacks security.

01:10:48.000 They have to tase the dude. 0.56

01:10:50.000 The other guy who's gonna shoot her, they put in handcuffs. 0.98

01:10:52.000 And it's two large, you know, black dudes. 0.96

01:10:55.000 And I'm like... 1.00

01:10:56.000 I'm like, fuck this. 0.99

01:10:56.000 So they bring me down the hallway. 0.99

01:10:58.000 Because just in case it was going on, they bring me down the hallway.

01:11:00.000 But I'm like this with the crew.

01:11:01.000 And I hear the guy go, I see you, white boy. 1.00

01:11:04.000 You fucking snitch. 1.00

01:11:05.000 We'll be back. 1.00

01:11:05.000 I'm all... 1.00

01:11:08.000 And I was like, can I get another room?

01:11:10.000 They're like, no, there's no more rooms.

01:11:12.000 I'm like, well, they know where I'm staying, man.

01:11:14.000 I'm supposed to start a show tomorrow.

01:11:16.000 I mean, what do you want us to do?

01:11:18.000 I'm like, anything else.

01:11:20.000 And I have to stay there, and I got zero, zero winks of sleep.

01:11:23.000 Literally zero.

01:11:25.000 Zero, man.

01:11:26.000 I was so scared.

01:11:28.000 And the next morning when they knocked, I was like, yes, yes, I'm here, I'm here.

01:11:31.000 Put me in the Ultimate Fighter house.

01:11:32.000 Yeah, that guy got out of jail, like, quick, I guarantee you. 0.99

01:11:35.000 Oh, dude, for slapping up, and she was a prostitute. 1.00

01:11:38.000 I did not know that. 0.99

01:11:39.000 But still, it was a pimp and a prostitute, and then some John was in there. 0.97

01:11:43.000 She's a woman, Brendan. 0.99

01:11:44.000 She's a woman. 0.82

01:11:44.000 She's my equal. 0.82

01:11:46.000 She's your equal? 0.98

01:11:47.000 She's my equal.

01:11:48.000 I like how you think.

01:11:49.000 You think you're a feminist? 1.00

01:11:51.000 Ah, man.

01:11:53.000 That's where I get in trouble.

01:11:54.000 It's tough, man.

01:11:55.000 It's tough.

01:11:56.000 Even as a joke.

01:11:57.000 That's just showing your belly. 1.00

01:11:58.000 I know, man.

01:12:00.000 This whole Me Too movement, and it's...

01:12:02.000 I don't know.

01:12:04.000 It's a tricky situation.

01:12:05.000 It is.

01:12:06.000 You think it's going to bounce back?

01:12:08.000 I think the game's changed forever.

01:12:10.000 I do.

01:12:11.000 I think if you're a creep, you can get sought out and found out.

01:12:14.000 However, I think men in power, in position, and if there's an attractive young lady in the office or the studio, this is always going to be the dynamic. 0.98

01:12:24.000 I think so.

01:12:25.000 I think there's some attractive young ladies out there who are like, I don't have a problem with it. 1.00

01:12:30.000 Yeah, okay.

01:12:31.000 Yeah, he's an attractive dude, just happens to have some power and get me movies or whatever, but I actually like him.

01:12:37.000 You know, I'm not being forced to do this.

01:12:39.000 Well, there's a new option now.

01:12:41.000 It's almost like a new element is in the game.

01:12:43.000 Like, if you're playing a game, and then all of a sudden someone found, like, a new magic power.

01:12:48.000 You can end careers now.

01:12:49.000 If you are, like, a woman who was sexually abused by a guy like Harvey Weinstein, you just have to take it.

01:12:55.000 Now, you have a new power.

01:12:57.000 Which is what I'm all about.

01:12:58.000 However, some will take advantage of that power and pull that card when it's not real.

01:13:02.000 And dudes are losing their jobs.

01:13:03.000 It's like, whoa! 0.99

01:13:05.000 There's people that are crazy.

01:13:06.000 Like, look, that video that we were watching before the podcast today, that lady who shot up YouTube, we're watching her online videos. 0.98

01:13:14.000 One of the worst YouTube videos I've ever seen. 1.00

01:13:15.000 She's fucking nuts. 1.00

01:13:17.000 And there's going to be people like that, and there's going to be people like that that take advantage of the Me Too movement. 1.00

01:13:22.000 It's just going to be...

01:13:24.000 I mean, there's no way you can deny that.

01:13:26.000 It's just part of human nature.

01:13:28.000 That's with anything, though, right?

01:13:29.000 Yeah, but ultimately...

01:13:31.000 Ultimately, where it's going to shift is, look, people have to be nicer to each other. 0.99

01:13:35.000 And they can't get away with shit like that. 0.99

01:13:37.000 And that's, what Weinstein was doing was nothing but crime. 1.00

01:13:41.000 It's just crime.

01:13:42.000 He's a bad dude. 0.59

01:13:43.000 He's a bad dude. 0.93

01:13:44.000 And I'm glad that happened.

01:13:45.000 Yeah.

01:13:45.000 I really am.

01:13:46.000 I'm glad he got sought out and he's screwed and he should be screwed. 1.00

01:13:48.000 Do you imagine being a chick and you have to suck that fat guy's dick in order to get in a movie? 1.00

01:13:52.000 Hey Harvey, is there any way you could just look a little more attractive? 1.00

01:13:56.000 No. 0.99

01:13:56.000 Do you have to be so hideous? 0.99

01:13:57.000 There's nothing he could do at this point. 0.98

01:13:59.000 They would have to cut chunks of his face and pull it back together again.

01:14:02.000 He's got this blah blah blah.

01:14:03.000 What about the diet?

01:14:04.000 Blah blah blah.

01:14:06.000 It's part of the whole thing, right?

01:14:07.000 It's like he's a glutton.

01:14:09.000 Would girls complain if you look like Brad Pitt though?

01:14:11.000 Tony Hinchcliffe has a bit.

01:14:13.000 Oh, doesn't he?

01:14:14.000 My bad.

01:14:15.000 I haven't heard it, by the way.

01:14:16.000 I wasn't trying to screw up Tony's bit.

01:14:17.000 He doesn't use that as an example, but it's a great bit.

01:14:20.000 You have to see it.

01:14:20.000 I don't want to even paraphrase it.

01:14:22.000 Did I give it away?

01:14:22.000 No, no, no.

01:14:23.000 You didn't.

01:14:23.000 It's a great bit.

01:14:24.000 It actually involves Louis C.K. It's a great bit.

01:14:27.000 Oh, I love it. 0.94

01:14:28.000 It's really fucking funny. 0.94

01:14:29.000 Tony's brilliant. 0.97

01:14:30.000 I don't want to tell you where it goes because it goes even crazier.

01:14:33.000 Please don't.

01:14:33.000 Because I'll see it tonight.

01:14:33.000 You've got to see it.

01:14:34.000 Are you going to see him tonight?

01:14:35.000 Yeah, he's at the store.

01:14:36.000 I'm at the store.

01:14:37.000 He murdered.

01:14:38.000 I took him on the road with me this past week. 1.00

01:14:40.000 He's a killer. 1.00

01:14:42.000 Murdering. 1.00

01:14:42.000 He murdered him in Nashville. 1.00

01:14:44.000 Murdered.

01:14:45.000 Murdered him in Charlotte. 0.97

01:14:47.000 A lot of rednecks heckling. 0.97

01:14:48.000 Woo! 0.99

01:14:49.000 Really?

01:14:49.000 Tony had to go to war.

01:14:51.000 Good luck heckling Tony.

01:14:53.000 I mean, he's a writer for the roast, for God's sakes.

01:14:55.000 He's so witty. 0.96

01:14:56.000 I fucked up one time and had let my shield down and told him I almost started crying in Comedy Central, and I just feel his neck get stiff and goes... 0.97

01:15:04.000 And right away I'm like, oh no! 0.99

01:15:06.000 Here he comes.

01:15:08.000 And he was like, you almost cried in Comedy Central?

01:15:10.000 And just roasted me for basically the rest of the show.

01:15:13.000 Why did you almost cry in Comedy Central?

01:15:15.000 Just because it's full circle for a guy like me to be on Comedy Central doing stand-up, you know, it was just a special night for me.

01:15:21.000 And during the story that I tell, I talk about how I realized I've never become UFC champ, but being on Comedy Central.

01:15:27.000 And Judd Apatow is one of the books I've read when I was super, you know, getting started in comedy.

01:15:32.000 And that day I had Judd Apatow on my show, that night I did Comedy Central.

01:15:35.000 I don't know, it just hit me in that moment when I was on stage at a strip club where they shoot it.

01:15:39.000 And I don't know, I got emotional. 0.99

01:15:41.000 I was like, you need to get your shit together, man. 0.99

01:15:43.000 You gotta get your shit together. 1.00

01:15:44.000 Yeah, I was happy and I was emotional, man. 0.99

01:15:47.000 And then I said that on the podcast, and I just feel Hinchcliffe's neck go...

01:15:52.000 What? 1.00

01:15:53.000 And I was like, oh, fuck! 1.00

01:15:55.000 He's like, this isn't Comedy Central in 2010! 1.00

01:15:58.000 And just went nuts, man.

01:15:59.000 Well, Hinchcliffe's always had a thing with Comedy Central, for whatever reason.

01:16:03.000 Yeah, for whatever reason.

01:16:04.000 He's got a burr on his side about them, like they didn't appreciate him.

01:16:07.000 He's a very underrated guy, man.

01:16:09.000 Like, right now, he's still, to this day, right now, he's underrated.

01:16:12.000 I agree.

01:16:13.000 And I think with your show, he was close. 0.63

01:16:15.000 I think he's a monster on our show.

01:16:18.000 The most underrated guy who should be selling out theaters is Theo Vaughn.

01:16:23.000 Well, we were talking about that before.

01:16:25.000 Theo's got a...

01:16:26.000 He hit a stride within the last year.

01:16:30.000 He hit a stride where he just like...

01:16:32.000 Sometimes you'll see dudes.

01:16:34.000 They're doing really well.

01:16:35.000 And then for whatever reason, they figure something out and they take it to the next level.

01:16:40.000 And that's where Theo is right now.

01:16:43.000 He's a unique guy.

01:16:45.000 His comedy is so unique.

01:16:47.000 You wouldn't work with anybody.

01:16:48.000 You won't see it anywhere else.

01:16:50.000 Sometimes I'll watch other comedians and I'll go, I can see how they came up with that idea. 0.99

01:16:55.000 When I watch Theo, I'm like, what the fuck? 1.00

01:16:57.000 Where are you smoking? 1.00

01:16:58.000 Where were you raised?

01:17:03.000 How's that your view of the world? 1.00

01:17:05.000 Were you raced by a fucking pack of crocodiles in New Orleans? 1.00

01:17:08.000 Like, where the fuck did you come up with this? 1.00

01:17:11.000 Yeah, but even just hanging around with him, like, offstage, he's just a weird dude. 0.99

01:17:18.000 Oh, bro, he pulled up this dude yesterday, and he just got a new car.

01:17:21.000 I won't say a car, a nice car, we'd like it.

01:17:24.000 And I go, dude, you're killing it, man.

01:17:27.000 That's your car?

01:17:28.000 He goes, yeah. 0.99

01:17:28.000 And he goes, some homosexual bumped into the bathroom in there. 0.99

01:17:32.000 Why is he a homosexual? 0.99

01:17:33.000 He's like, because he was.

01:17:34.000 I'm like, all right, man.

01:17:36.000 It just happened to be.

01:17:36.000 Yeah, he's like, just happened to be.

01:17:38.000 He's just so hilarious, man.

01:17:40.000 Yeah, there's a lot of good guys right now.

01:17:42.000 I was talking about watching that Gary Shandling stuff and doing all the stuff.

01:17:47.000 That's Judd's documentary, right?

01:17:49.000 That's Judd Apto's documentary.

01:17:50.000 It's brilliant on his process and stuff like that.

01:17:52.000 I got emotional on that as well. 0.83

01:17:53.000 I don't know if you guys know this, obviously I'm a complete bitch, but Gary Chandler talks about how his goal going through everything was to get on The Tonight Show, and then he does it, and he walks backstage and he kills it, right? 0.64

01:18:03.000 But that was his goal, and he starts crying. 0.61

01:18:05.000 He Falls into Bob Saget's arm starts crying, right?

01:18:08.000 Because that was his goal.

01:18:08.000 But he's talking about the Comedy Store, and he's talking about all the big names there, and I was thinking, God, that must have been cool to be involved in that back then, around all those big names.

01:18:16.000 I was talking to Brian.

01:18:17.000 Brian goes, man, right now the Comedy Store, some would argue it's better.

01:18:21.000 And when you think about it, I'm like, God, it is. 0.98

01:18:23.000 When you think about all the fucking just legends, man. 0.99

01:18:27.000 You, Burr, you got Mary, you got Deli. 0.99

01:18:30.000 I mean, the list goes on and on and on.

01:18:33.000 I'm like, oh my God, it's bad.

01:18:35.000 It's a crazy time.

01:18:36.000 It's certainly the best time at the store in terms of the amount of time that I've been there, and I started going there in 94. It's a long time.

01:18:43.000 It's a long-ass time.

01:18:45.000 So in 24 years that I've been going there, it's better now than ever before.

01:18:49.000 But when you think about it, I mean, obviously there's the cellar in New York, but as far as like, you go there on a Tuesday night, go there on a Wednesday night.

01:18:56.000 I mean, it's frickin' murder's row.

01:18:58.000 Yeah, they're very similar.

01:18:59.000 They're very similar in a way.

01:19:01.000 And they're also very similar in that they become big tourist traps, too.

01:19:06.000 Comedy store, people take vacations for comedy.

01:19:09.000 They do comedy vacations and they fly from Australia.

01:19:12.000 Getting a lot of people from Australia.

01:19:13.000 Yeah, but because you know if you show up, you're going to see Bill Burr, Rogan, Mark Mirren, and Delia in the same night.

01:19:19.000 Almost every week, one of us is there.

01:19:21.000 Someone's there.

01:19:22.000 At least.

01:19:22.000 Unless someone's on tour, someone's off.

01:19:24.000 Yeah, and a lot of times you are on tour. 0.98

01:19:27.000 But shit, on any given Tuesday, Dave Chappelle might stop in. 0.99

01:19:32.000 Correct. 1.00

01:19:33.000 And then Chris Rock.

01:19:33.000 Chris Rock.

01:19:35.000 Maybe Louis will make his comeback there.

01:19:37.000 I hope he does.

01:19:38.000 I'm a Louis fan.

01:19:40.000 People like, whatever.

01:19:42.000 Come on.

01:19:43.000 Come on.

01:19:44.000 You're like people watching you beat off. 1.00

01:19:47.000 It's worse shit. 1.00

01:19:48.000 Come on. 1.00

01:19:50.000 Yeah.

01:19:51.000 Just need someone to come up.

01:19:52.000 Someone has to do something much more horrible.

01:19:55.000 You know, Callan's shooting his special, I think, in July now.

01:19:58.000 He is?

01:19:59.000 For who?

01:20:00.000 I forget who's shooting it, but definitely not his buddy who works for ESPN this time.

01:20:05.000 So they're doing it right.

01:20:06.000 He's doing it right this time, but they're going to go out there and try and sell it.

01:20:10.000 But he's ready to go.

01:20:11.000 I just hope it works out for Kalen as far as Netflix or Showtime or somewhere.

01:20:14.000 You gotta land somewhere, you know?

01:20:15.000 So is he gonna sell it and then bring it somewhere?

01:20:17.000 Is that the move?

01:20:18.000 I think so.

01:20:19.000 I don't want to misquote Brian, but I'm almost positive.

01:20:22.000 But he has someone who, I think he shot Segura's and a bunch of other guys' stuff.

01:20:26.000 Like, it's someone who knows what the hell they're doing.

01:20:28.000 Where's he gonna do it?

01:20:29.000 I think Chicago.

01:20:31.000 Ooh, Chicago's a good spot.

01:20:32.000 In July, yeah.

01:20:33.000 Ooh, that's a good spot.

01:20:35.000 I'm there for the UFC in June.

01:20:37.000 I'm doing the Chicago Theater. 0.99

01:20:38.000 June 7th or some shit. 0.99

01:20:41.000 I love Chicago. 0.99

01:20:42.000 Ooh! 0.96

01:20:43.000 What theater?

01:20:43.000 Last time I did Vic.

01:20:44.000 Chicago Theater?

01:20:45.000 Chicago Theater.

01:20:46.000 Yeah.

01:20:47.000 It's great.

01:20:47.000 It's a beautiful, beautiful old place, too.

01:20:50.000 Yeah, Chicago's awesome, man.

01:20:52.000 Doesn't get enough love.

01:20:53.000 It's a weird place, right?

01:20:54.000 Does it not get enough love? 0.96

01:20:55.000 I feel like everyone fucking loves Chicago. 0.99

01:20:57.000 They're pizza. 0.99

01:20:58.000 People won't shut up about it.

01:20:59.000 It's not really pizza.

01:21:00.000 It's a casserole.

01:21:02.000 Correct.

01:21:02.000 Yeah.

01:21:03.000 Stop calling that a pizza.

01:21:04.000 That's not a pizza.

01:21:05.000 If it's a large, thick square, that would be a casserole that I come from.

01:21:09.000 If you have a hamburger and you roll it up in a tortilla, is that still a hamburger?

01:21:13.000 No.

01:21:13.000 That's a tortilla.

01:21:14.000 It's a wrap. 1.00

01:21:15.000 That's a burrito, bitches. 1.00

01:21:16.000 Is that In-N-Out protein style, then? 0.99

01:21:18.000 Oh, that's lettuce.

01:21:20.000 We call that a lettuce taco.

01:21:22.000 That's a wrap, though, in the Chinese food place.

01:21:24.000 Correct.

01:21:25.000 Lettuce wrap.

01:21:25.000 Chicken wrap.

01:21:26.000 But it's not wrapped.

01:21:27.000 See, the difference is the way you make it.

01:21:29.000 It's rolled up.

01:21:30.000 Look, you can take a piece of pizza and flatten it out and fold it over and over again, and then it'll become folded pizza.

01:21:36.000 But if it starts out folded, what are you selling me?

01:21:38.000 It's a calzone. 0.99

01:21:39.000 Yeah, you're selling me a goddamn calzone. 0.99

01:21:41.000 I love calzanas. 1.00

01:21:43.000 I'm a fan.

01:21:43.000 I'm a fan of calzanas as well.

01:21:44.000 Have you had a good thick piece of pizza from basic casserole from Chicago, though?

01:21:48.000 Yeah.

01:21:49.000 Oh, yeah.

01:21:49.000 Best you've ever had, though?

01:21:50.000 It's very good.

01:21:51.000 The best you've ever had?

01:21:53.000 Where's the place we go to?

01:21:54.000 Che Guevara's.

01:21:55.000 What is it called?

01:21:56.000 Giordano's, that one?

01:21:57.000 Might have been.

01:21:58.000 You know who makes a nice square piece is Kings in New York? 0.99

01:22:01.000 Or have you ever heard of, ah, fuck, I'm getting the artichoke pizza in New York? 0.99

01:22:07.000 Artichoke pizza? 1.00

01:22:07.000 It's called artichoke pizza. 1.00

01:22:09.000 Do you have to have ripped pants to get in there?

01:22:10.000 No, sir.

01:22:11.000 No, sir.

01:22:13.000 People kept telling me to go there.

01:22:14.000 When I was in New York working for Showtime, I tried one slice.

01:22:18.000 You know, Postmates.

01:22:19.000 Postmates is what makes me fat now.

01:22:21.000 Postmates?

01:22:21.000 Postmates.

01:22:22.000 Oh, is that the way you get food delivered to your house?

01:22:23.000 They just pick it up and drop it off to your hotel room.

01:22:25.000 So I get done after a long day of PR. I'm like, ah, pizza would be great.

01:22:29.000 So I get two slices. 0.99

01:22:30.000 I'm like, next night, I'm like, fuck, that was delicious. 1.00

01:22:33.000 Next thing you know, I've got a fucking love handle and a triple chin. 1.00

01:22:36.000 Isn't it weird how when you're tired, you want carbs? 0.99

01:22:40.000 You want sugar and carbs. 0.98

01:22:41.000 I wonder why.

01:22:42.000 I think it's like my willpower's weak.

01:22:44.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:22:45.000 Like, I never fuck with Egg McMuffins or McGriddles. 1.00

01:22:49.000 My mouth's watering. 1.00

01:22:50.000 But if I'm at the airport and I'm on a fucking 7 a.m. 0.99

01:22:54.000 flight. 0.99

01:22:54.000 You and I ate one together. 0.99

01:22:56.000 Yeah.

01:22:56.000 You and I ate one together.

01:22:57.000 I never eat that shit. 1.00

01:22:59.000 You and I ate it together. 1.00

01:23:00.000 It was so good for the brief moment it was in my mouth.

01:23:02.000 Dude, you know what I was thinking? 0.99

01:23:03.000 I'm like, fuck, I'd love a McGriddle, but I don't want to be judged right now. 0.99

01:23:07.000 I'm going to wait to see if he goes to that fucking weird, bright place on the breakfast spot on the right, or is he going to go to McDonald's? 0.99

01:23:13.000 When he started leaning over there, I went, I want to be mad at Egg McMuffin. 1.00

01:23:18.000 And he just looked at me and went, yeah, fuck this. 1.00

01:23:20.000 Let's do this. 1.00

01:23:21.000 Yes!

01:23:22.000 That's why I ate before I saw you guys.

01:23:24.000 I thought you would skip it.

01:23:25.000 Oh, that's funny.

01:23:26.000 You don't want to be the guy who pulls the trigger.

01:23:28.000 You don't want to be judged, man.

01:23:29.000 Yeah, most of the time, I'm going to not pull the trigger.

01:23:32.000 But I feel like that's part of the thing. 0.98

01:23:35.000 It's like pulling that trigger every now and then for the fuck of it. 0.98

01:23:37.000 Have some fun. 0.99

01:23:38.000 Get chicken and waffles.

01:23:39.000 Go to Roscoe's.

01:23:41.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:23:41.000 Go to Roscoe's and slather that motherfucker with maple syrup and butter. 1.00

01:23:45.000 You just can't do it every day. 1.00

01:23:46.000 Can't do it every day.

01:23:47.000 But you can do it one day a week.

01:23:48.000 I agree.

01:23:49.000 The Rock, his Instagram, the pictures of him eating stacks of pancakes.

01:23:54.000 His cheat meal?

01:23:55.000 Stacks of pancakes.

01:23:56.000 Definitely a photo shoot.

01:23:57.000 Yeah, I hear you.

01:23:57.000 You ain't eating all that, son.

01:23:59.000 You think so?

01:24:00.000 No, that's definitely so.

01:24:01.000 But he's a giant. 1.00

01:24:02.000 You don't think he eats all that shit? 1.00

01:24:03.000 He's not a giant. 1.00

01:24:04.000 I mean, he's on different supplements than I am.

01:24:06.000 We're very similar size.

01:24:07.000 Different supplements.

01:24:08.000 Different supplements, sir.

01:24:10.000 Different supplements.

01:24:11.000 Supplementes.

01:24:12.000 Do you think they come from south of the border?

01:24:14.000 I'm sure he's eating the same tacos.

01:24:16.000 He's eating the same tacos.

01:24:20.000 Yeah.

01:24:21.000 Do you see he came out and said he has depression?

01:24:23.000 Yeah.

01:24:23.000 I think it's a football thing, man.

01:24:25.000 I think...

01:24:26.000 And then also, pro wrestling.

01:24:28.000 All that slamming.

01:24:29.000 All that getting slammed around.

01:24:30.000 This is my take on this.

01:24:32.000 I think...

01:24:33.000 I mean, I'm sure you dealt with depression, right?

01:24:36.000 You have bummer days.

01:24:37.000 Jamie, you have bummer days, right? 1.00

01:24:38.000 Shit happens. 1.00

01:24:39.000 I think there's a difference between having a depression... 0.99

01:24:42.000 Period in your life or events in your life and then, you know, you're normally a happy dude.

01:24:47.000 And then there's people with severe depression who have to be medicated.

01:24:50.000 There's a scale.

01:24:51.000 Yeah, and he's not on that scale.

01:24:52.000 No, he's not on that scale.

01:24:53.000 It makes news because he goes, hey, I've been sad too before.

01:24:56.000 And we're like, yes!

01:24:57.000 Rocket's sad too.

01:24:58.000 Right.

01:24:58.000 Different sad.

01:24:59.000 We're not talking to Ari Shaffir depressed here.

01:25:01.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:25:02.000 Right.

01:25:02.000 He was talking about his mom was Ari Shaffir depressed though.

01:25:04.000 Much more so.

01:25:05.000 Correct.

01:25:05.000 His mom walked into traffic.

01:25:06.000 And I'm not throwing shade at Ari.

01:25:08.000 We've talked about Ari having depression before and he takes medication.

01:25:11.000 That's why I said that.

01:25:11.000 Well, he doesn't anymore.

01:25:12.000 He's off medication?

01:25:13.000 Yeah.

01:25:14.000 His life got better.

01:25:15.000 He magically became...

01:25:16.000 Oh, weird.

01:25:17.000 Yeah, he's a phenomenal comic and successful, and he's not depressed anymore?

01:25:20.000 No, he's not depressed anymore.

01:25:21.000 Weird.

01:25:21.000 Also, he got off Propecia.

01:25:23.000 Callan calls bullshit on it. 0.88

01:25:24.000 Callan's taking Pro-Petra like they're Skittles, and he's the happiest man I know. 0.92

01:25:28.000 Yeah, but it's not necessarily universal.

01:25:31.000 Some people can take penicillin and they don't have a problem.

01:25:34.000 Other people are allergic to it.

01:25:36.000 Yeah, but I think it's a rare case where you take Pro-Petra and get depressed.

01:25:40.000 I don't think it's that rare.

01:25:41.000 If you look at the studies, and this comes from Callan.

01:25:44.000 This is bro science.

01:25:45.000 Well, Callan just wants that hair. 0.98

01:25:47.000 He wants to keep that hair so bad.

01:25:48.000 He'll do anything.

01:25:50.000 I think you should wear a wig.

01:25:52.000 A good fat one.

01:25:53.000 Yes!

01:25:53.000 A red one.

01:25:54.000 Yes! 0.96

01:25:54.000 Just go crazy. 0.96

01:25:55.000 So I can yank it off and shit? 1.00

01:25:57.000 I want to wear a wig so bad. 0.99

01:25:59.000 Like one of those mesh net ones?

01:26:02.000 Just like the LeBron sprayed on.

01:26:04.000 Almost looks like a Pittsburgh Steeler helmet.

01:26:06.000 Is LeBron still doing that?

01:26:07.000 Yeah, kind of.

01:26:10.000 You just gotta let it go.

01:26:11.000 Question on this though.

01:26:13.000 Wouldn't you take Propecia because you're a little depressed, because your hair is falling out?

01:26:17.000 And if it didn't work, you're gonna stay a little depressed.

01:26:21.000 Correct. 1.00

01:26:21.000 It also fucks with your dick game. 1.00

01:26:23.000 Yeah, maybe, but I think what they're saying is like suicidal depression. 1.00

01:26:28.000 That there's something about the DHT inhibitor.

01:26:32.000 Dihydrotestosterone, which is a derivative of testosterone, is what causes you to have your hair fall out.

01:26:37.000 The DHT inhibiting factors in Propecia with some people.

01:26:43.000 It adds to it.

01:26:44.000 It's a low percentage though, I'm pretty sure.

01:26:46.000 It might be.

01:26:46.000 The study this comes from, which I googled it, it might have been more than one study, but it was in 2012 and it was only 61 men.

01:26:54.000 Oh, they only did 61 men?

01:26:55.000 And how many got depressed?

01:26:57.000 It said, uh, 61 men who formerly used Propecia who experienced more than three months of sexual side effects and had no history of depression, sexual problems of any sort.

01:27:06.000 Yeah, I don't know. 0.97

01:27:06.000 Dude, if I'm losing my hair and my dick won't get up, I'm gonna be depressed too. 0.97

01:27:10.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:27:10.000 I'll stop taking Propecia. 0.99

01:27:12.000 And then also you gotta figure, like, what's happening in your love life? 1.00

01:27:16.000 If you're depressed and your dick doesn't work. 1.00

01:27:18.000 Correct. 1.00

01:27:18.000 You can get more depressed. 1.00

01:27:20.000 But also, are you at a 9-to-5 job you hate and you can't pay the bills and then you have family drama?

01:27:26.000 11% of those, I guess 11% of the 61, which would be, what, 6 of them?

01:27:31.000 5 or 6?

01:27:31.000 Yeah.

01:27:32.000 Had mild symptoms of depression, 28 had moderate, and 36 had severe.

01:27:37.000 Whoa! 0.71

01:27:38.000 36 had severe?

01:27:41.000 I mean, so that's also then when you're asking them, so it's like, what was the study?

01:27:45.000 But hold on a second.

01:27:46.000 Did you say 61 people, 36% had severe depression?

01:27:51.000 They also found that 44% of the men had experienced thoughts of suicide.

01:27:55.000 Hold on.

01:27:56.000 What?

01:27:57.000 Hold on.

01:27:57.000 Jesus Christ.

01:27:58.000 44%?

01:27:59.000 Right, but that's what I'm also going in.

01:28:01.000 Would they just ask them, like, have you ever thought of it?

01:28:04.000 Well, if it's a scientific study, I'm sure there's some sort of protocol they have to follow.

01:28:08.000 Let me understand this, though.

01:28:10.000 66 people?

01:28:11.000 We're randomly, how many people took it?

01:28:15.000 Right, it says the Journal of Clinical Psychiatry study included 61 men.

01:28:21.000 That's what it says.

01:28:21.000 So what is that, like 28 dudes wanted to kill themselves?

01:28:24.000 That's fucking crazy! 0.99

01:28:26.000 Yeah, I'll probably lay off that Propecia. 1.00

01:28:27.000 Fuck that! 1.00

01:28:28.000 I'll just go bald, man. 1.00

01:28:29.000 Dude, Ari said it was like almost instant and he never put the two of them together.

01:28:34.000 Never put the two of them together.

01:28:35.000 Depression with the...

01:28:36.000 With the suicidal thoughts.

01:28:38.000 Like, all of it came, like, right when he got...

01:28:41.000 Like, you know, he had had some issues in the past with being depressed after breakups. 1.00

01:28:46.000 Normal shit. 1.00

01:28:47.000 Like, everybody has. 1.00

01:28:48.000 Been there.

01:28:48.000 But it wasn't...

01:28:49.000 That's not the case.

01:28:50.000 I never want to kill myself.

01:28:51.000 He didn't...

01:28:52.000 Ari's kind of a stoic dude.

01:28:55.000 He's very proud and he doesn't talk a lot about stuff.

01:28:58.000 And so it took like me and him hanging out where he like wasn't talking and I was like, okay, what's the matter?

01:29:05.000 And he's like, dude, it's just hard.

01:29:07.000 It's hard to just not kill myself.

01:29:10.000 He said that to you? 0.91

01:29:10.000 And I went, what? 0.91

01:29:12.000 What?

01:29:12.000 Yeah.

01:29:13.000 So we were playing pool in my house and I was like, what?

01:29:15.000 I go, what's going on?

01:29:17.000 And so he starts telling me, um, they put him on medication.

01:29:21.000 And the medication didn't work.

01:29:22.000 And then they put him on another medication.

01:29:24.000 And then that didn't work.

01:29:25.000 And, you know, he's with SAG. He had SAG, AFTRA insurance.

01:29:28.000 Not the best insurance.

01:29:30.000 And he's like, I don't know what to do.

01:29:33.000 And I'm like, okay, this is one of my best friends.

01:29:36.000 And he's reaching out.

01:29:37.000 I'm like, okay.

01:29:38.000 Yeah, he's saying something for a reason.

01:29:39.000 And I don't have any experience with that.

01:29:41.000 I mean, I've had some bummer moments in my life, but I would never say that I was depressed.

01:29:46.000 I'm a pretty happy person.

01:29:48.000 You've been depressed, though.

01:29:49.000 Yes.

01:29:49.000 I've had bad moments.

01:29:50.000 Yes.

01:29:50.000 But I've never gone through depression.

01:29:53.000 I've never been down for like six months.

01:29:54.000 No, I've never couldn't get out of bed or thought about suicide. 0.99

01:29:56.000 No, there's a scale of that shit. 0.99

01:29:58.000 I've thought about dying. 1.00

01:29:59.000 He was on the dark end of the scale where he was thinking about killing himself and trying to not do it.

01:30:08.000 So, I started making some phone calls and I found, my business manager found the best psychiatrist.

01:30:16.000 Like he said, this guy is a wizard.

01:30:18.000 He's dealt with a bunch of my clients before.

01:30:21.000 He's helped out a lot.

01:30:23.000 It was very expensive.

01:30:25.000 So I just paid for it.

01:30:26.000 Not to save a life, though.

01:30:27.000 I just told Paul, no.

01:30:28.000 I mean, I don't think about it that way.

01:30:29.000 I mean, for Ari, he couldn't afford it.

01:30:31.000 Oh, so Ari's like, yeah, I'm sure a great option. 1.00

01:30:33.000 I can't afford this.

01:30:34.000 Yeah.

01:30:35.000 You know, he was getting by winning poker tournaments and getting the occasional commercial.

01:30:40.000 How long ago is this?

01:30:42.000 Quite a few years ago.

01:30:44.000 I want to say like 2000...

01:30:45.000 I don't know.

01:30:47.000 It was quite a few years ago.

01:30:49.000 2004? 0.99

01:30:49.000 Some shit like that. 0.99

01:30:50.000 I don't know. 0.99

01:30:51.000 I don't remember when it was.

01:30:52.000 But it was far enough back where Ari was really struggling as a comedian. 0.99

01:30:56.000 I mean, he's talked about this publicly, otherwise I wouldn't talk about it.

01:30:59.000 No, that's why I brought it up.

01:31:01.000 He's talked about it publicly.

01:31:02.000 I'm not airing Ari's dirty laundry out there. 1.00

01:31:06.000 I love Ari.

01:31:07.000 I mean, I don't know what caused it.

01:31:08.000 If it was that...

01:31:11.000 I can't stop coughing today. 1.00

01:31:12.000 Like, my kids are sick as fuck. 1.00

01:31:14.000 That's how it goes, man. 1.00

01:31:15.000 My youngest one.

01:31:16.000 Yeah, then everyone gets it.

01:31:17.000 Yeah.

01:31:18.000 He just, his career wasn't going well, because he was, you know, he was just getting the ball rolling, really.

01:31:25.000 But I really think it was the Pro-P show.

01:31:27.000 Don't you think it was the perfect storm? 0.99

01:31:30.000 Propecia, career, who knows what's going on with this girl, and then it's just this fucking perfect storm. 0.97

01:31:35.000 Then if the Propecia's making you even more depressed, then you're like, dude, I'm thinking about killing myself? 0.99

01:31:40.000 What the fuck is going on right now? 0.99

01:31:42.000 Some dark stuff. 0.99

01:31:43.000 So he pulled out of it, got off the Propecia, And then his career took the fuck off, right? 0.91

01:31:50.000 He got on good medication.

01:31:51.000 Whatever the medication his new psychiatrist got him on worked like a charm and like he was better in like a Couple months a couple months.

01:32:01.000 He was like back to Ari fucking around laughing then oddly enough When it started working really well for him, then his career started taking off, right?

01:32:11.000 Of course, that's how it works. 0.64

01:32:13.000 His stand-up started taking off, his career started taking off, he became happier, got off the Propecia, and then weaned himself off the drugs.

01:32:21.000 And now he's good.

01:32:22.000 Now he's good, yeah.

01:32:23.000 Now he's great to see.

01:32:25.000 But he smokes a lot of weed, and I always wonder, like, how much of that is self-medicating?

01:32:29.000 Yep.

01:32:29.000 But it's okay.

01:32:30.000 But you smoke a ton of weed.

01:32:31.000 It's not self-medicating though, right?

01:32:33.000 No, I like it.

01:32:34.000 You just like doing it.

01:32:36.000 You're not a dark guy.

01:32:37.000 It makes you vulnerable. 1.00

01:32:39.000 It makes you think about shit. 1.00

01:32:40.000 It makes you nervous. 1.00

01:32:42.000 You don't just take things for granted when you get high.

01:32:45.000 You know, my problem is I smoked the other night because I couldn't sleep and I was thinking about a lot of things.

01:32:51.000 And then I got this thought in my head. 0.99

01:32:54.000 This is some weird shit, man. 0.99

01:32:55.000 I was talking. 1.00

01:32:56.000 I think I was telling Cal on this.

01:32:58.000 I hate when I think like this.

01:33:01.000 But I was in San Jose and I saw this mom with two homeless kids.

01:33:04.000 I was at the store and I was going to buy an expensive sweater and I felt so guilty.

01:33:11.000 So I went and got cash and gave this mom a bunch of cash. 0.98

01:33:15.000 And she started crying. 1.00

01:33:16.000 I'm like, fuck. 1.00

01:33:17.000 And there's like this weird guy around the kids, and the kid was about my son's age, about two, sitting there, this little girl. 0.99

01:33:24.000 And I thought, I don't know why.

01:33:27.000 I had this random thought, what if he grabbed her by the legs and spiked her on the ground?

01:33:30.000 I don't know why.

01:33:31.000 I know.

01:33:32.000 And then I gave her the cast.

01:33:34.000 I felt better because there's more people around.

01:33:35.000 I'm like, no one's going to let that happen to a kid. 0.68

01:33:37.000 And so that whole night fucked up about it. 0.82

01:33:39.000 And then someone reached out to me like, dude, that's her side hustle. 1.00

01:33:41.000 She does that all the time. 1.00

01:33:42.000 She's actually not.

01:33:42.000 We've seen her raise those kids on the street.

01:33:44.000 She gets picked up by her husband. 0.99

01:33:46.000 It's a shitty deal. 0.90

01:33:47.000 So I'm like, all right, that's fine. 0.98

01:33:48.000 But I smoked weed, right?

01:33:49.000 And I'm laying in bed, and then I had this visual of someone doing that to my son.

01:33:54.000 I got to sleep.

01:33:55.000 I felt sick to my stomach.

01:33:57.000 Yeah.

01:33:57.000 It's weird.

01:33:58.000 Like, sometimes weed, I can think, if I think about a bit, I think about something, I'll go down this cool road.

01:34:02.000 But then if that creeps in there, and then it's like, it kept coming back.

01:34:06.000 It was so visual.

01:34:07.000 And I was, like, sick to my stomach, man.

01:34:09.000 Well, I mean, it's part of... 0.99

01:34:10.000 My son woke up at 5, and I fucking beelined to his room and just, like, squeezed the fuck out of him for the rest of the morning. 0.98

01:34:15.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:34:16.000 It's hard, man.

01:34:17.000 Nobody knows how much you love a person, how much you can love a person until you have a kid.

01:34:24.000 Correct.

01:34:24.000 Everyone says that.

01:34:26.000 Everyone says that.

01:34:27.000 And I'm like, okay, okay.

01:34:28.000 Everyone I know, you told me that.

01:34:30.000 Brian told me.

01:34:30.000 Everyone told me this.

01:34:31.000 But then once you have a kid, it's like, I don't know, man.

01:34:34.000 It's just a different animal where now, like, when I see the shootings, when I see, you know, the nuclear war talk with North Korea and Russia, I think, God, and I see a lot of negativity on social media and stuff like that. 0.95

01:34:48.000 I'm like, the world is such a kind of a fucked up place if you want to look into that stuff. 0.79

01:34:53.000 And when I have a kid, I think about him. 0.98

01:34:54.000 I'm like, God.

01:34:56.000 What's it going to be like when he's like 16 or 18?

01:34:58.000 What kind of world is it going to be when he's 18?

01:35:01.000 If I think too hard about it, that's when I'll get depressed.

01:35:04.000 Well, I think the world's going to be okay.

01:35:06.000 For sure.

01:35:07.000 I don't mean to bring this podcast down to a bummer.

01:35:09.000 No, but horrible things are going to happen no matter what.

01:35:11.000 Correct.

01:35:11.000 But it changes who you are when you have a kid.

01:35:15.000 It really does. 1.00

01:35:16.000 Or you're a piece of shit. 1.00

01:35:18.000 Or you're a sociopath and you suck. 1.00

01:35:20.000 If you're around the kid enough, it changes who you are. 1.00

01:35:24.000 And if you're not around the kid, it changes who you are because then you realize you're not around the kid and that's going to take a piece out of who you think you are.

01:35:31.000 But you know what?

01:35:32.000 And we have friends who aren't great dads or whatever and you can see it in their kids.

01:35:37.000 And I'm not saying a psychologist or I'm some expert in parenting, but if I go to a person's house and I see the way the kids treat the parents, I go, you're not around enough, man.

01:35:45.000 I promise you, I can tell.

01:35:47.000 My son doesn't act like that.

01:35:49.000 Yeah.

01:35:49.000 You can call me whatever you want.

01:35:51.000 One thing I am is a beast of a dad. 0.79

01:35:53.000 I know that.

01:35:54.000 I don't know if I'm a good comic.

01:35:55.000 I don't know if I was a good fighter.

01:35:57.000 I don't know if I'm a good podcaster.

01:35:58.000 That's all up for debate. 0.99

01:35:59.000 One thing I know is I'm a fucking good dad, man. 0.99

01:36:02.000 Good for you, man. 0.99

01:36:03.000 That's a very, very, very, very important quality.

01:36:07.000 And that quality, when your kid becomes an adult, that's going to be just a major factor in how you get along.

01:36:13.000 I mean, even parents...

01:36:16.000 I know friends...

01:36:18.000 They had bad relationships with their parents when they lived with them.

01:36:20.000 And then once they got out, their parents were nice to them.

01:36:22.000 But their parents were shitty to them when they were kids.

01:36:24.000 And they always hold it against them. 1.00

01:36:26.000 They always have that shit in the back of their head. 1.00

01:36:28.000 Like, why were you a dick when I was 12? 1.00

01:36:30.000 That shit is always in their head. 1.00

01:36:32.000 It's like that avatar horse. 1.00

01:36:33.000 When you're young, you mix together.

01:36:35.000 And if you don't mix together when you're young...

01:36:37.000 And I was talking to someone, a therapist.

01:36:40.000 They were saying, I think it's from like, till they're three.

01:36:43.000 If you don't make that connection...

01:36:45.000 When you're like, oh, when they're four, like, oh, I'll do it now, it's almost too late. 1.00

01:36:48.000 Because they already developed these brain pathways where like, nope, my dad's an ass. 0.99

01:36:54.000 And there's really nothing you can do to fix it. 1.00

01:36:56.000 Yeah.

01:36:56.000 Man, I went to the movies yesterday with my kid.

01:36:59.000 What movie?

01:37:00.000 We went to see the Gnomeo and Juliet movie.

01:37:02.000 Oh, dope.

01:37:03.000 What is it?

01:37:04.000 Sherlock Gnomes?

01:37:05.000 Yeah, the Sherlock Gnomes.

01:37:06.000 Yeah, cute little movie.

01:37:07.000 Yeah.

01:37:08.000 You know, we went to that Senniopolis place where, you know, you lean back, you know those things?

01:37:12.000 Yeah.

01:37:12.000 The seats lean back.

01:37:13.000 Good food.

01:37:14.000 And you take the seat rest down, and she just, my seven-year-old, just snuggles with me.

01:37:19.000 The best.

01:37:19.000 We're snuggling, watching a movie.

01:37:21.000 I'm like, I couldn't be happier.

01:37:22.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:37:22.000 I don't want to see this stupid fucking movie. 1.00

01:37:24.000 No, but I don't care. 1.00

01:37:25.000 But she wants to.

01:37:25.000 Yeah.

01:37:25.000 So I couldn't be happier.

01:37:27.000 I sat there and watched this. 1.00

01:37:29.000 Silly no bullshit movie. 1.00

01:37:31.000 Yeah, she's just a little snuggle-bunny. 1.00

01:37:33.000 I've watched Boss Baby nine times.

01:37:35.000 Boss Baby's not a bad movie.

01:37:36.000 In like a week though.

01:37:37.000 That's a pretty funny movie though.

01:37:38.000 Boss Baby's great.

01:37:39.000 Al Baldwin's The Voice.

01:37:40.000 I've watched like nine times.

01:37:42.000 But my son, whenever we watch, he snuggles up with me.

01:37:44.000 When usually, this is why I want a daughter.

01:37:45.000 This is why I'm jealous you have daughters. 1.00

01:37:47.000 Because daughters love their dads. 0.99

01:37:48.000 My son, I'm like, you little traitor. 1.00

01:37:51.000 Little bitch. 1.00

01:37:52.000 Mommy! 1.00

01:37:53.000 Mommy! 1.00

01:37:53.000 Dude, it's me! 1.00

01:37:55.000 Every morning you cry for your mom?

01:37:56.000 Girls are like that too in a lot of ways. 1.00

01:37:58.000 Sometimes.

01:37:59.000 You gotta accept the fact that the mom is not just the soft, sweet... 0.70

01:38:06.000 Woman in the house, but she's also the person who made them in her body. 1.00

01:38:10.000 Yeah, and there's chemical connection.

01:38:12.000 It came out of her body, man.

01:38:14.000 I had a deal with my wife.

01:38:17.000 I'm not naming any kids.

01:38:18.000 I go, I got veto power.

01:38:19.000 I go, but you do way more work.

01:38:21.000 It's way harder to make the person. 1.00

01:38:24.000 I go, as long as you try to call the kid applesauce or something fucking stupid. 1.00

01:38:27.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:38:28.000 I just don't feel like...

01:38:30.000 It's not an even proposition. 1.00

01:38:33.000 All I did was fuck her. 1.00

01:38:34.000 Which you were going to do anyways. 1.00

01:38:36.000 Which I was going to do anyways, but now we've got to deal with this seed.

01:38:39.000 Yeah, you've got a bonus.

01:38:40.000 They've got a bonus.

01:38:42.000 Overtime for you.

01:38:42.000 It is kind of crazy, though, that sex is how you make people.

01:38:46.000 I know. 0.99

01:38:47.000 And everybody just wants to fuck all the time. 1.00

01:38:49.000 And you want to fuck a bunch of people. 1.00

01:38:50.000 But a lot of people don't want kids. 1.00

01:38:52.000 No, hell no.

01:38:53.000 You know who opened my eyes like in a big way in a podcast recently that's really been making me think a lot about this is Brett Weinstein.

01:39:01.000 He's the professor that got in that.

01:39:03.000 Do you know who he is?

01:39:05.000 Yes.

01:39:05.000 The controversy with Evergreen University.

01:39:07.000 The pronouns and all that.

01:39:07.000 They were taking the day of absence.

01:39:09.000 It wasn't a pronoun thing.

01:39:11.000 It was the day of absence.

01:39:12.000 They wanted all the white people to stay home. 0.81

01:39:14.000 He's like, that's racist. 1.00

01:39:15.000 Ridiculous. 1.00

01:39:16.000 Yeah. 0.80

01:39:16.000 Anyway, he was on, he said there's two different things that men are attracted to. 0.80

01:39:20.000 They're attracted to a woman that they think would be a great companion and a great mother and, like, someone who...

01:39:29.000 He said there's a difference between hot and beautiful.

01:39:32.000 Correct.

01:39:32.000 Like, some women are beautiful and, like, they're loving.

01:39:34.000 You want to be around them.

01:39:36.000 But then there's other women who are just hot. 1.00

01:39:39.000 And in males, that very receptive woman who doesn't require any commitment was an opportunity for men to spread their seed with someone who they didn't have to be around for. 0.98

01:39:51.000 Wow.

01:39:51.000 Yeah, so there's literally like a programming in a man's mind.

01:39:55.000 So you see a girl with big giant tits and a little waist and a fat ass hanging out of her shorts and she's got sloppy makeup on and she looks at you and you're like, okay, let's do this. 0.99

01:40:06.000 But that's what that is. 1.00

01:40:07.000 You don't want to live with her.

01:40:08.000 Right.

01:40:08.000 You're not saying, I would like to start a relationship with you.

01:40:11.000 It's like, no, I want to shoot my load into you and then you raise my kid when I'm nowhere near you because it's an opportunity for my DNA to propagate.

01:40:18.000 Wow. 0.61

01:40:19.000 That makes so much sense.

01:40:20.000 Makes so much sense.

01:40:21.000 I literally never considered it until he brought it up on the podcast.

01:40:24.000 I went, oh, duh.

01:40:26.000 Me neither.

01:40:26.000 I just thought, she's hot, whatever.

01:40:29.000 Yeah, she's just hot. 1.00

01:40:29.000 Dirty, in a dirty way. 1.00

01:40:31.000 Why is she so hot? 1.00

01:40:31.000 I'm attracted to that. 1.00

01:40:32.000 Yeah, why is she so dirty? 1.00

01:40:33.000 I don't know.

01:40:34.000 I told my girl, Joe, I told my girl, Joe, probably...

01:40:37.000 Four weeks into it, five weeks where we're getting serious, and she got this job offer to go to Miami, and she was talking about career and stuff like that.

01:40:43.000 And I went, no, that's all cool, and no one's career first more than me.

01:40:46.000 However, you know you're put on the search to be a mom, right?

01:40:49.000 Like, you're going to be such a beast of a mom. 1.00

01:40:51.000 I guarantee you, because I saw her interact with Callen's kids.

01:40:54.000 I can guarantee you, you might be the greatest host in the world, but you're going to be the best mom I've ever seen.

01:41:01.000 And then she's like, really?

01:41:02.000 I'm like, I guarantee you. 0.99

01:41:03.000 Fucking... 0.99

01:41:04.000 Bam. 1.00

01:41:04.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:41:05.000 There's just those qualities.

01:41:06.000 They can see it's something.

01:41:08.000 And when someone's not, when someone's a bad mom, it's such a depressing thing.

01:41:12.000 Oh, man.

01:41:12.000 Nothing worse.

01:41:14.000 It's so depressing to be around. 1.00

01:41:15.000 A woman's really short with her kids and shitty with them. 1.00

01:41:18.000 Or even as a kid, if I had friends who talked back to their parents or were mean to their parents, like... 0.99

01:41:23.000 Ugh, God, what's wrong with you?

01:41:24.000 If I was dating a girl, she'd badmouth her mom. 1.00

01:41:27.000 What's wrong with you, girl? 1.00

01:41:28.000 You know, and the hard thing is that pattern.

01:41:30.000 It's hard to break.

01:41:31.000 Those kids may very well have that same kind of behavior towards their kids.

01:41:35.000 Like when they become adults, it's a hard pattern to break.

01:41:39.000 Sometimes you need the right person in your life.

01:41:41.000 Like a good person in your life that you, you know, a wife or husband or whoever it is, you know, when you match up with that person, like it changes who you are too.

01:41:50.000 That's what I always say that one of the most important things about community, like your community of friends, is that when you have good friends, those people change you.

01:42:01.000 You react like everyone is your tribe.

01:42:04.000 You react like everyone's your friends.

01:42:07.000 So you want good for them.

01:42:09.000 You love them.

01:42:10.000 You care about them.

01:42:11.000 They change who you are.

01:42:12.000 They inspire you, whether they inspire you with being smart or with their kindness or with their ambition, whatever it is.

01:42:20.000 We're not individuals.

01:42:22.000 We're a piece of a community, always.

01:42:25.000 And that community, even if it's a small community that you call a family, that piece is...

01:42:30.000 Dependent upon who you do that piece with.

01:42:31.000 You might be an amazing dad with the right woman, but with the wrong woman, you might be so frustrated with the relationship that you're not as good a dad as you are right now.

01:42:42.000 There might be chaos going on all the time.

01:42:44.000 There might be situations you put the kid in where you're yelling and screaming at each other that the kid shouldn't see.

01:42:48.000 All these different factors that are dependent upon your relationship with this other person.

01:42:53.000 And they change you, and you change them.

01:42:56.000 Like, you might be the wrong person for them.

01:42:57.000 They might be super cool and calm with someone else, but with you...

01:43:01.000 It's just not a mix.

01:43:02.000 You hit buttons for a reason.

01:43:04.000 It's like a woman saying to you, you know, you don't want an equal. 1.00

01:43:07.000 Like, well, I don't want this.

01:43:09.000 I know I don't want this.

01:43:10.000 You might be right, but I know for sure I don't want this.

01:43:13.000 Oh, you're threatened.

01:43:13.000 You're threatened by a strong woman.

01:43:14.000 No.

01:43:15.000 I'm threatened by you.

01:43:16.000 You're aggressive for no reason. 0.99

01:43:18.000 Who the fuck has ever said that? 0.99

01:43:19.000 You're threatened by a strong man. 1.00

01:43:20.000 You're threatened by a strong man?

01:43:21.000 Like, what? 1.00

01:43:22.000 Shut up, pussy. 1.00

01:43:23.000 What are you calling yourself a strong man? 1.00

01:43:25.000 Get the fuck out of here. 1.00

01:43:26.000 Any guy who calls himself a strong man most likely is a bitch. 1.00

01:43:31.000 Most likely is just trying to prop himself up. 1.00

01:43:33.000 And I feel the same way about women who say that shit. 1.00

01:43:36.000 Women who are like, you know, you're scared of a strong woman. 1.00

01:43:38.000 Like, okay, am I really? 1.00

01:43:39.000 Or are you a cunt? 1.00

01:43:41.000 Are you a cunt? 1.00

01:43:42.000 Just a raging cunt. 1.00

01:43:43.000 Is this cunt talk? 1.00

01:43:45.000 This sounds super uncomfortable. 0.97

01:43:49.000 I don't know what got us to this position, but whatever I did, please, I'll apologize. 0.96

01:43:54.000 But I also feel like in this community of friends that we're talking about, if you were a shit father, it would show elsewhere in your life, like around us, or if we're at the comedy store, or a restaurant, or in your social media. 0.96

01:44:08.000 It's going to come out one way or another, you know? 0.99

01:44:10.000 And it'd be tough to be in that group.

01:44:12.000 You know that expression, how you do one thing is how you do everything?

01:44:14.000 Yes.

01:44:15.000 Yeah.

01:44:16.000 I think there's something to that.

01:44:18.000 I mean, obviously, there's people that are really good at one thing and suck at other things, so it's not a... 0.99

01:44:23.000 It's not always 100% correct, but, you know, if you're a shitty dad, you're going to be a shitty friend. 0.99

01:44:28.000 Mm-hmm. 0.99

01:44:29.000 I agree. 1.00

01:44:29.000 And if you're a shitty friend, you're probably going to be a shitty dad. 1.00

01:44:31.000 And I say this, too, with, like, with dudes who are shitty dads, it's like, all right, if you're willing to do that to your—literally, you're connected to this person chemically. 1.00

01:44:41.000 They're made of your DNA. If you're willing to treat him like that, when the going gets rough for me, where the fuck are you going to be? 0.99

01:44:47.000 Right. 1.00

01:44:47.000 There's no way I want you in my foxhole. 1.00

01:44:49.000 Yeah.

01:44:50.000 Yeah, that's big, man.

01:44:52.000 People that don't understand that, they don't understand what they're doing wrong, that's rough, too.

01:44:58.000 It's a bummer.

01:44:58.000 The people that can't see it, and you try to explain it to them, and they can't see it.

01:45:02.000 The one thing people won't put up with, though, is, and I would never do this, but if you give someone parenting advice, it just doesn't.

01:45:08.000 There's certain things you can't talk about, usually.

01:45:10.000 Politics, religion, and parenting.

01:45:12.000 The only way I think parenting advice works, ever, is if you talk about I know.

01:45:34.000 I know.

01:45:36.000 People get super offensive.

01:45:41.000 An object. 0.99

01:45:42.000 I don't fucking treat my son like... 0.99

01:45:44.000 It's on. 1.00

01:45:45.000 Game over.

01:45:46.000 He's not even listening to what you said.

01:45:47.000 No, you're all ramped up.

01:45:48.000 Dude, I had a...

01:45:48.000 My son was one and a half at the time, and I was taking him to this play area, and he didn't express himself, and everyone was older, and he'd hit kids.

01:45:58.000 And he's a big kid.

01:45:58.000 He's a 99 percentile, first size, and all that stuff.

01:46:02.000 And he would hit kids.

01:46:03.000 And the...

01:46:04.000 The place where I was taking them in Brentwood knew I was a former fighter.

01:46:09.000 One of the guys who works front desk is a fan.

01:46:11.000 I've talked MMA with them.

01:46:13.000 And they took me to the side and said, you know, we got a bit of a problem because Tiger is hitting kids and we think it's in direct correlation of you letting him watch fights.

01:46:23.000 And from what you did, I just started laughing. 1.00

01:46:26.000 You guys are silly as fuck. 1.00

01:46:27.000 A, I'm never bringing them back. 1.00

01:46:29.000 B, he's one and a half.

01:46:31.000 Everyone else in there is three.

01:46:33.000 I mean, yeah, he cold-cocked that kid with a left hook. 0.71

01:46:35.000 And I'm proud of him.

01:46:36.000 I'm proud of him.

01:46:37.000 That kid took his toy. 1.00

01:46:38.000 However, it's just, this is what kids do.

01:46:40.000 They hit, man.

01:46:41.000 It's nothing.

01:46:42.000 And I tell him, no, I stay on top of my helicopter. 1.00

01:46:44.000 The parent, the fuck, get him when he's in there. 1.00

01:46:46.000 But he's one and a half. 1.00

01:46:48.000 The rest of the kids are older.

01:46:49.000 And trust me, he's not watching UFC. It has nothing to do with it.

01:46:54.000 Took me to the side.

01:46:55.000 This lady was like that U of FC-er, whatever you're getting into. 1.00

01:46:59.000 I was like, oh my god. 1.00

01:47:00.000 This is some Brentwood shit, lady. 1.00

01:47:02.000 There's a lot of that Brentwood shit. 1.00

01:47:03.000 This is some Brentwood shit right now. 1.00

01:47:04.000 All right? 1.00

01:47:05.000 Y'all let me eat dirt. 0.98

01:47:06.000 If they hit each other, they hit each other.

01:47:08.000 We're concerned that you're constantly reaffirming his gender without him choosing. 0.53

01:47:13.000 Oh, dude.

01:47:13.000 We're concerned.

01:47:15.000 Hmm.

01:47:16.000 I was reading something about some lady who had a three-year-old trans kid.

01:47:19.000 I'm like...

01:47:19.000 Oh, my God.

01:47:21.000 Are you sure?

01:47:23.000 Are you positive?

01:47:24.000 It's not just a kid?

01:47:25.000 You're three. 1.00

01:47:25.000 Oh, you mean how he's into cars this week and next week he's going to be in trolls and he wants to chop his dick off? 1.00

01:47:29.000 Well, they were like... 0.99

01:47:30.000 This article was really super positive about it.

01:47:33.000 Oh, my God.

01:47:34.000 Stop. 1.00

01:47:35.000 How they're bringing the kid to therapy and shit. 1.00

01:47:37.000 Oh. 0.99

01:47:37.000 Aiding his transition. 0.99

01:47:39.000 Like, he's fucking three. 0.99

01:47:41.000 I just read this like two days ago. 1.00

01:47:42.000 I was like, this is so nuts.

01:47:44.000 There's so much of this going on right now.

01:47:45.000 Yeah, and I want to be a transformer when I was three. 0.98

01:47:47.000 You don't see my dad putting fucking mechanical arms on me. 0.98

01:47:50.000 Imagine if I was three and he put arms on me and I'm 19. Like, what the fuck, dad? 1.00

01:47:55.000 Why am I a robot now? 1.00

01:47:56.000 Well, when you were three, you told us you wanted to be a robot. 1.00

01:47:58.000 It's the same shit. 1.00

01:48:00.000 It is the same shit. 1.00

01:48:01.000 It's crazy. 1.00

01:48:01.000 It's insane. 1.00

01:48:02.000 It's so weird.

01:48:03.000 It's so weird that people are just openly jumping into this and it's these weirdo, super, you know, ideological progressive people that just they're locked into this idea that it's amazing to have a trans kid.

01:48:16.000 And, you know, the kid shows any sign whatsoever of being inclining to be female or inclined to be male that they're pushing it.

01:48:23.000 I feel like it's exceptionally bad out here. 0.99

01:48:26.000 Well, it's also very dangerous because they start wanting to fuck with the kid's hormones. 0.99

01:48:30.000 Like, you've got to let the child develop. 0.99

01:48:32.000 There's no real science in what the fuck happens when you put hormone blockers into a three-year-old and try to transition them into a girl. 0.95

01:48:38.000 But also, the real doctors who know what the hell they're doing, they're not going to inject that kid with hormones. 0.93

01:48:43.000 They're going to say, listen, if you want to do this, when you're 18, 19, even then it's a little too early.

01:48:48.000 Even then it's too early. 0.74

01:48:49.000 When you're 21, which again is too early, and I've seen this on some of the bullshit reality TV shows I watch, but these legit doctors go, then I'm willing to help you out. 0.90

01:48:57.000 But before then- Get out of here. 0.92

01:48:59.000 No, get out.

01:48:59.000 Let's see where you're at when you're 16. But there's a market for it, which is a cruel thing to say and a weird way to describe it.

01:49:05.000 Yeah.

01:49:05.000 Here's the problem, Joan.

01:49:06.000 We're talking about, you know, on the spectrum.

01:49:09.000 For some of those kids, they do feel like they're trapped in a woman's body, you know?

01:49:13.000 And I feel for them. 0.91

01:49:13.000 That must suck to go through high school and all that. 0.91

01:49:15.000 But isn't that the exception?

01:49:17.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:49:18.000 Is that kid the exception that feels like that?

01:49:21.000 And they should have access to it?

01:49:23.000 How could you do that with a three-year-old?

01:49:24.000 I know.

01:49:25.000 I mean, how do you know?

01:49:26.000 I mean, you just don't. 1.00

01:49:27.000 And anybody says that you do, you're crazy. 0.83

01:49:29.000 People change.

01:49:30.000 You change when hormones get entered into your body, and maybe you won't be the most masculine man in the world, and maybe you will turn into a woman someday.

01:49:36.000 Maybe. 0.99

01:49:37.000 But give yourself a goddamn chance to just exist. 0.99

01:49:41.000 Did you see the high school wrestler? 1.00

01:49:42.000 Yes.

01:49:43.000 The girl?

01:49:43.000 Just beating up, right?

01:49:44.000 And then she wins and gets boozed like a motherfucker. 1.00

01:49:48.000 She does. 1.00

01:49:48.000 I know. 1.00

01:49:48.000 It's not fair. 1.00

01:49:49.000 She should be allowed to wrestle boys. 1.00

01:49:51.000 Or he should be allowed to wrestle boys.

01:49:53.000 You know, but, you know, whatever, man.

01:49:55.000 It's crazy.

01:49:55.000 You're taking a high school girl and you're filling her up with testosterone.

01:49:59.000 With injections.

01:50:00.000 What?

01:50:01.000 It's nuts.

01:50:02.000 And then you're allowing her to wrestle girls that aren't on testosterone. 1.00

01:50:05.000 It's fucking cheating, okay? 0.96

01:50:07.000 If she was just a girl, and she wasn't, like, trying to transition into a man, and they found out that she was winning the state championship as a woman, or as a girl, rather, by taking steroids, they would take it away from her. 0.99

01:50:20.000 They would say, she's cheating. 1.00

01:50:21.000 There'd be an uproar. 1.00

01:50:23.000 This is some stupid shit. 1.00

01:50:24.000 But then what do you do? 1.00

01:50:24.000 Not let her wrestle? 1.00

01:50:26.000 Yes.

01:50:27.000 Not let her wrestle.

01:50:28.000 Don't let her wrestle at all.

01:50:28.000 What happens if they go, we can't wrestle with the boys, and then just can't wrestle at all?

01:50:33.000 Either wrestle the boys, or don't wrestle.

01:50:36.000 That's what he wants.

01:50:37.000 He wants to wrestle the boys?

01:50:39.000 Pronoun, son.

01:50:40.000 It's he.

01:50:42.000 Zero.

01:50:44.000 Yeah, I think, hey, if you're going to choose to go that path of this transition into a female, then you give up your right to wrestle. 0.98

01:50:53.000 Because we don't have a division for that yet, and we don't have enough wrestlers.

01:50:56.000 Yeah, she's transitioning to he. 0.75

01:50:58.000 And it's just, it's not fair.

01:51:00.000 If it was the other way, it would be more fair.

01:51:02.000 Because, like, if you're a man, and you're transitioning to be a woman, and they make you wrestle men, well, you're going to be at a disadvantage because you're taking hormone blockers, or you're getting castrated, you're losing your testicles, whatever it is, you are at a disadvantage. 0.99

01:51:18.000 You can't get that ass piece. 0.99

01:51:19.000 Yeah, he's at a disadvantage now, transitioning to, I mean, he's at a massive advantage right now, transitioning to a man. 0.99

01:51:26.000 He's on steroids.

01:51:27.000 The kid's on steroids.

01:51:29.000 Testosterone.

01:51:29.000 100%.

01:51:30.000 And probably a lot of them.

01:51:31.000 Probably a lot of it, because they're trying to turn him into a man.

01:51:34.000 Correct.

01:51:34.000 It's all nuts, man.

01:51:36.000 I know.

01:51:36.000 Like, where was this 30 years ago?

01:51:37.000 Was it just like a silent epidemic?

01:51:39.000 Was everyone just undercover and like, God, I feel like a woman, you know?

01:51:42.000 There was a few of those.

01:51:43.000 There was like that one guy, Renee Richards, the tennis player, that wound up... 1.00

01:51:49.000 He was a terrible male tennis player.

01:51:52.000 Transitioned to a female tennis player and started dominating.

01:51:55.000 Oh, that's Juana Man. 1.00

01:51:56.000 That's the plot of Juana Man, Tennis Edition. 0.99

01:51:58.000 Remember that movie?

01:51:59.000 No, what was Juana Man? 0.97

01:52:00.000 Juana Man was a guy who couldn't... 0.99

01:52:02.000 He got suspended from the Lakers, the fake Lakers in the movie.

01:52:05.000 So he's like, God, I want to play basketball. 0.99

01:52:06.000 So you could make the women's team and just wore a wig and put titties on and started dunking on bitches. 1.00

01:52:11.000 Well, that does happen today. 0.98

01:52:13.000 There was a guy who was ready for this, 50 years old, he was six foot four or five, played women's college basketball because he played as a man, but now he's not a man anymore. 1.00

01:52:27.000 Now this fool is a fucking woman. 1.00

01:52:29.000 He's a fool. 1.00

01:52:30.000 If you're a fool, and you're 50 years old, and you're pretending to be a college girl, and you're like, I'm in a fantasy world, this is my fantasy, and she's a giant, and she's swatting basketballs out of people's hands. 1.00

01:52:41.000 There's Joanna, man. 1.00

01:52:43.000 Yeah.

01:52:44.000 See if you can find the guy who played, who's 50, type in 50-year-old transsexual man, transsexual plays women's college basketball. 0.62

01:52:54.000 In America.

01:52:55.000 Yeah, in America.

01:52:56.000 But here's the thing.

01:52:57.000 Imagine if your kid is on a team with that person, and that person takes your kid's scholarship, takes your kid's role.

01:53:07.000 Look at that, right there.

01:53:09.000 50-year-old.

01:53:10.000 Yeah, seriously. 0.89

01:53:12.000 Giant, jacked, 50-year-old man. 0.94

01:53:15.000 And got a nose on him. 1.00

01:53:16.000 And became a college basketball player at fucking my age. 1.00

01:53:20.000 Get the fuck out of here. 1.00

01:53:22.000 52, excuse me. 0.99

01:53:23.000 Gabriel Ludwig.

01:53:25.000 52. Okay.

01:53:26.000 Two years older than me, goes to college.

01:53:28.000 Can she ball? 0.98

01:53:30.000 I think she played as a man.

01:53:31.000 Look at the size difference!

01:53:33.000 Now imagine your kid is competing against her.

01:53:37.000 And can't get a shot off.

01:53:38.000 Can't get a shot off.

01:53:39.000 And she's just Shaquille O'Neal and your daughter. 1.00

01:53:40.000 And it's just bullshit. 0.98

01:53:41.000 It's like if Shaquille O'Neal was playing on that other team, if Shaquille O'Neal transitioned to be a woman and decided to go back to college, this college would let her play as a woman. 0.99

01:53:50.000 That's insane.

01:53:51.000 Shaquille O'Neal as a woman.

01:53:52.000 What college is that?

01:53:53.000 Douchebag University.

01:53:55.000 I don't know.

01:53:56.000 I don't want to give him any press.

01:53:58.000 Press?

01:53:59.000 It just makes me sick.

01:54:01.000 I mean, that's a giant man. 0.96

01:54:03.000 It's nonsense. 1.00

01:54:04.000 With tits. 1.00

01:54:04.000 It's straight nonsense. 1.00

01:54:06.000 It's straight nonsense. 0.95

01:54:07.000 This is where progressiveness goes down the rabbit hole.

01:54:14.000 What is it?

01:54:14.000 Mission College?

01:54:15.000 That's probably a juco, huh? 1.00

01:54:17.000 I don't know what it is, but it could suck it. 1.00

01:54:20.000 It can suck a non-existent dick. 1.00

01:54:22.000 Well, here's the interesting thing. 1.00

01:54:24.000 She played college basketball 30 years ago as a man.

01:54:27.000 That's what I said.

01:54:27.000 How does she still have eligibility?

01:54:29.000 Because she's a woman now. 0.98

01:54:30.000 That's what I said.

01:54:30.000 She can go back as a woman.

01:54:32.000 They let her transition.

01:54:33.000 And when you're transitioning, you go back.

01:54:36.000 Now you're a woman. 0.99

01:54:36.000 You don't have a history of playing as a woman. 0.99

01:54:38.000 So now you're allowed to play again.

01:54:40.000 Five more years of college eligibility?

01:54:42.000 Yep.

01:54:42.000 Dude, I feel like a lot more guys are going to do this.

01:54:45.000 There's a few that would do it.

01:54:47.000 Oh, 100%.

01:54:47.000 You know, Dana White was joking around about that.

01:54:49.000 Like, I know a few guys, if it could be a world champion, they'd cut their dick off. 1.00

01:54:52.000 There's a few guys. 0.99

01:54:53.000 Yeah, there's some guys who, by all means, necessary.

01:54:55.000 It's crazy to even suggest. 0.78

01:54:58.000 But so is walking into YouTube, shooting a bunch of people, and then shooting yourself in the chest. 0.84

01:55:03.000 That's crazy to suggest, too. 0.99

01:55:04.000 That's crazy. 1.00

01:55:05.000 People are out of their fucking mind. 1.00

01:55:06.000 That bitch was definitely out of her mind. 1.00

01:55:07.000 And also, if you saw a YouTube video, no wonder you made no fucking money, lady. 1.00

01:55:11.000 Those videos were terrible. 0.99

01:55:14.000 Terrible. 1.00

01:55:14.000 Well, there's something wrong with that lady's brain. 1.00

01:55:16.000 How about her dad goes, warned the police, like, hey, you guys need to check her out. 0.88

01:55:20.000 She's going to do something bad to YouTube. 1.00

01:55:21.000 There's some issues here.

01:55:22.000 But if you're a cop, and they did find her the night before at 2 a.m.

01:55:26.000 because she went missing, they found her, and they're like, yeah, she doesn't seem like she's going to hurt herself or anyone else.

01:55:31.000 I don't know what you want us to do.

01:55:32.000 Like, we found her.

01:55:32.000 She said she's good.

01:55:34.000 She's sleeping in her car.

01:55:34.000 Until someone does something, it's so hard to do anything about it.

01:55:38.000 Like, they...

01:55:40.000 They sent that one college kid.

01:55:42.000 They're sending him back.

01:55:43.000 They found his roommates.

01:55:46.000 We were talking about it yesterday.

01:55:47.000 His roommates were talking about him.

01:55:48.000 They were seriously worried about him.

01:55:50.000 He had bleached his hair blonde, started stockpiling ammunition, bought an assault gun.

01:55:56.000 And then the cops came to visit him.

01:55:58.000 And after the cops left, he went out and bought another AR. And they're like, okay, okay, that's it.

01:56:04.000 We gotta do something about this.

01:56:05.000 His roommates were freaking out.

01:56:06.000 People were freaking out being around the guy.

01:56:08.000 And they sent him back on a technicality because he wasn't going to school.

01:56:12.000 Because he stopped going to class.

01:56:13.000 So what can you do?

01:56:14.000 Student visa. 0.99

01:56:15.000 What the fuck can you do? 0.99

01:56:16.000 They deported him. 1.00

01:56:17.000 Oh, really?

01:56:18.000 Yeah.

01:56:18.000 Oh, perfect.

01:56:19.000 Yeah, and they said, we think we prevented a tragedy.

01:56:21.000 I love that.

01:56:22.000 Yeah.

01:56:22.000 That's exactly what they should do.

01:56:23.000 But however, with this lady, let's say they stopped at two in the morning, she's in a car, and the dad, the dad, who, you know, she came from his seed, goes, listen, she's going to do something bad. 0.96

01:56:35.000 We've seen signs.

01:56:37.000 We've known her since she was a day old.

01:56:39.000 You guys should do something about it.

01:56:40.000 I don't think you should go, ow, we talked to her.

01:56:42.000 Seems all right.

01:56:43.000 Maybe take her in for the night.

01:56:45.000 What can you do, though?

01:56:45.000 She doesn't do anything.

01:56:47.000 But if she doesn't do anything, and then she does.

01:56:49.000 People are so unpredictable.

01:56:51.000 I would look at those eyebrows and toss her in jail. 1.00

01:56:52.000 That video of her doing those squats and the jumps, the workout video.

01:56:56.000 Terrible workout.

01:56:57.000 Look at those eyes. 0.88

01:56:58.000 Crazy. 0.65

01:56:59.000 She's not there. 0.95

01:56:59.000 She's from a different planet. 0.95

01:57:00.000 She's like a horror movie. 1.00

01:57:01.000 But then she's mad.

01:57:03.000 She's not getting freaking revenue from YouTube. 1.00

01:57:05.000 And YouTube's like, your videos suck, lady. 1.00

01:57:07.000 We have nothing to do with it. 1.00

01:57:08.000 You're crazy. 0.99

01:57:09.000 You didn't come up in the open mic circuit, so you don't have a PhD in psychos. 1.00

01:57:13.000 No.

01:57:15.000 Like Tony Hinchcliffe or all these dudes that have been in the grind. 1.00

01:57:19.000 I did open mics a long time ago, but they're fucking crazy people. 0.99

01:57:25.000 There's a certain amount of open micers who think that they're really funny, and they can't get work, and they're angry about it, and they're really fucking crazy people. 0.99

01:57:32.000 I get on Kill Tony when I've been on it like two or three times. 0.93

01:57:34.000 Oh yeah, that's a perfect example.

01:57:35.000 Kill Tony's a perfect example. 0.99

01:57:37.000 You go there and you're like, what in the fuck am I watching? 0.99

01:57:39.000 And if someone tries to tell that person, like, maybe you should connect more with the crowd. 0.99

01:57:42.000 Ah, connect!

01:57:43.000 I'm connecting with people.

01:57:44.000 They get mad.

01:57:44.000 I'm connecting.

01:57:45.000 This is my best bits.

01:57:46.000 These bits are good bits. 0.99

01:57:47.000 And the people are like, what in the fuck? 0.97

01:57:48.000 Tony Tawonga is like, dude, you're bombing. 1.00

01:57:50.000 He goes, they were laughing.

01:57:51.000 They're laughing.

01:57:51.000 They're laughing at you.

01:57:52.000 And Tony goes, they're laughing because you're fucking terrible. 1.00

01:57:55.000 And we're making faces behind you. 1.00

01:57:56.000 He goes, that's laughing. 1.00

01:57:58.000 You don't know what the fuck you're talking about. 1.00

01:57:59.000 Tony's like, get off the stage. 1.00

01:58:01.000 He's like, make me.

01:58:01.000 It's like, oh my God, dude.

01:58:03.000 Oh boy.

01:58:05.000 Yeah.

01:58:06.000 But you see that too on American Idol.

01:58:09.000 There'd be some crazy dude like, my mom thinks I'm the best, you know, the best since Lionel Richie.

01:58:13.000 And they get up and they just completely bomb. 0.99

01:58:15.000 And then they talk shit to the experts. 0.99

01:58:18.000 You guys just don't know what you want. 0.99

01:58:19.000 Well, you have to look at people as a whole, right?

01:58:22.000 Now, if you look at people as a whole, like physically, right?

01:58:25.000 There's people that are built like you, and there's people that are built like Vern Troyer.

01:58:29.000 That's just a fact.

01:58:30.000 It's tough.

01:58:31.000 It's tough.

01:58:32.000 But then there's also brilliant minds.

01:58:33.000 Right.

01:58:33.000 But my point is, it's come on seven.

01:58:36.000 It's a roll of the dice.

01:58:37.000 That's the same thing with everything.

01:58:38.000 It's the same thing with your mind as well.

01:58:40.000 It just is.

01:58:41.000 The mind varies widely.

01:58:43.000 It varies racially.

01:58:45.000 It varies interracially.

01:58:46.000 It varies age-wise. 1.00

01:58:48.000 Like, you're going to have a 50-year-old black guy that's the smartest guy you ever met in your life, and you're going to have a 50-year-old white guy who is a fucking moron... 0.99

01:58:57.000 And you're going to have a 50-year-old woman who's out of her fucking mind, and you're going to have a 50-year-old woman who's a brilliant physicist, and you're going to have everything. 1.00

01:59:06.000 You're going to have every combination. 1.00

01:59:08.000 Every combination of smart and stupid and tall and thin. 1.00

01:59:12.000 People vary, but they also vary with how crazy they are. 0.99

01:59:17.000 But also, I think some people are crazy, and then they find a passion, they run with it, maybe it's music, comedy, but then some of those crazy people who are different than the others in high school get made fun of, get bullied, and then that craziness turns into darkness,

01:59:32.000 and then they get a hold of AK-15.

01:59:46.000 Oh, yeah.

01:59:51.000 Yeah, so 100%.

01:59:52.000 Physical abuse, sexual abuse, along with that...

01:59:55.000 Medications?

01:59:56.000 Yeah, sure.

01:59:57.000 Medications can do it.

01:59:58.000 And every single mass shooter's on medications.

02:00:01.000 But when you look at the combination of all the different factors, it's like, when you see that lady crying in her car at 2 o'clock in the morning, you're a cop, you don't know what to do.

02:00:09.000 What do you think?

02:00:10.000 You think she's going to... 0.60

02:00:10.000 Like, I knew when I looked at her that she was going to go on YouTube and shoot that place up. 0.60

02:00:14.000 No, there's no way you know.

02:00:14.000 There's no way.

02:00:15.000 The Nicholas Cruz kid, same thing.

02:00:17.000 They came to see him two years before, and they decided he wasn't a threat.

02:00:21.000 And the people are like, the FBI is incompetent. 0.98

02:00:23.000 No, 24 months later, first of all, he probably got fucking crazier, right? 0.98

02:00:27.000 In 24 months. 0.99

02:00:28.000 His mom wound up dying like six months before that, so that probably fucked him up, too. 0.51

02:00:33.000 There's probably a whole host of factors. 0.58

02:00:34.000 Chain events.

02:00:35.000 Right, but he never did it before. 0.98

02:00:36.000 How the fuck can you predict? 0.99

02:00:38.000 These random shooters, I don't know what you're going to do. 0.99

02:00:42.000 The only thing with the YouTube thing is if the dad goes, listen, my daughter is going to do something crazy, and they find her near the YouTube Northern California offices, we should at least take her in for the night, talk to her, and that's the least...

02:00:56.000 You're not going to lose anything.

02:00:57.000 Taxpayers would be happy to pay for a night in there. 0.62

02:00:59.000 It's all good.

02:01:01.000 Yeah.

02:01:01.000 I mean, I don't know if that would do it, though.

02:01:03.000 It's like... 0.99

02:01:04.000 That lady just seemed fucking nuts, man. 1.00

02:01:06.000 Someone posted it and said, be ready to never sleep again. 0.99

02:01:13.000 I mean, that video didn't scare me that much.

02:01:16.000 Yeah. 0.98

02:01:16.000 Oh, she's batshit crazy. 0.98

02:01:19.000 Yeah, like super duper batshit crazy. 0.89

02:01:22.000 She thought YouTube was out for her because her views were lowering.

02:01:26.000 One video I thought she had 45 views. 0.99

02:01:29.000 It's like, come on, man. 0.99

02:01:30.000 That is fucking bananas, man. 0.99

02:01:32.000 I'm sure they pull her YouTube page by now, Jamie? 0.99

02:01:34.000 Yeah.

02:01:35.000 And if you're going to go out, right?

02:01:37.000 Most people do it to the head.

02:01:39.000 She shot herself in the chest. 0.91

02:01:44.000 That's dark. 0.96

02:01:45.000 Savage.

02:01:45.000 That's dark.

02:01:46.000 That's a dark way to go.

02:01:49.000 The people that have done that, I guess, people that knew their brain was going to get licked up.

02:01:53.000 Junior Seau did that.

02:01:54.000 He shot himself in the chest because he goes, I want you to study my brain because it's not good. 1.00

02:01:58.000 Fuck. 1.00

02:02:00.000 I can't feel good. 1.00

02:02:01.000 No.

02:02:02.000 I feel like the brain would be way faster. 1.00

02:02:03.000 Damn, we went dark. 0.99

02:02:04.000 We've got to bring it back. 0.99

02:02:05.000 We've gotten dark this podcast.

02:02:06.000 We've got to bring it back.

02:02:07.000 Let's bring it home.

02:02:08.000 Let's bring it home on a positive thing.

02:02:10.000 Thug Rose! 1.00

02:02:11.000 Thug Rose! 1.00

02:02:11.000 That's the fight no one's talking about. 1.00

02:02:13.000 Yoana Rose.

02:02:14.000 Hey, Jamie, tell homeboys you've got to watch the monitor.

02:02:19.000 Yeah, Thug Rose.

02:02:20.000 No one's talking about it.

02:02:20.000 It's being overshadowed.

02:02:21.000 Yeah, it is being overshadowed.

02:02:23.000 It's a crazy one, right?

02:02:24.000 It's because nobody expected it to go down the way it did in the first one.

02:02:30.000 Not at all.

02:02:30.000 In the rematch, Ioana's on weight.

02:02:33.000 She's way lighter.

02:02:34.000 She was 122 last week.

02:02:36.000 So she's just a few pounds away. 1.00

02:02:38.000 Here's my problem with this fight.

02:02:41.000 I might stop making picks.

02:02:44.000 I said on the podcast yesterday, it doesn't make me feel good when I pick against people.

02:02:47.000 It doesn't make me feel good.

02:02:48.000 I feel like I have to do it.

02:02:50.000 A lot of people don't do picks and they come to me for picks.

02:02:52.000 What do you think is going to happen?

02:02:56.000 For a long time, I thought, ooh, Rose, she's a monster, and I know Rose right from Denver. 1.00

02:03:01.000 She landed that left hook, and Trevor teaches that, and Pat Berry teaches that, and that's exactly what they wanted to do.

02:03:07.000 Amazing fight.

02:03:08.000 I bet they fight three or four times. 0.98

02:03:10.000 But if they do a rematch, which they should give Ioana the immediate rematch, Rose will be in a little bit of trouble, because Ioana is a fucking machine. 1.00

02:03:17.000 Here's the caveat to that. 0.96

02:03:18.000 When I see Joanna do interviews and she goes, it was my nutritionist, it was this person, it was this, it was this.

02:03:24.000 Never once has she owned it and taken credibility.

02:03:27.000 I go, that's not the way a world champion speaks.

02:03:30.000 That's not the way at all someone talks. 0.98

02:03:32.000 And when I see a bunch of excuses, I go, oh shit, you have a hole in your boat, and you're masking it with duct tape, and you're trying to get back to this point. 0.97

02:03:41.000 You're not actually patching that up. 0.99

02:03:43.000 And so you're susceptible again, and now you're talking like that never happened, it was a fluke. 0.97

02:03:50.000 Rose is pretty fucking good. 0.84

02:03:51.000 And if you don't respect her again, and you think it's your nutritionist, is why you lost that fight, you're probably gonna lose again. 0.98

02:03:57.000 You might be right.

02:03:58.000 You might be right.

02:03:58.000 That's the only thing that bothers me.

02:03:59.000 I think Ioana's one of the greatest champions of all time, one of the greatest fighters.

02:04:02.000 But when I see that, I'm like, oh, you're going about it the wrong way.

02:04:06.000 And she goes, you know, I even talked to Ronda.

02:04:08.000 She said she had a weight cut.

02:04:09.000 I'm like, no one's dealt with losses worse than Ronda.

02:04:13.000 You don't want to reference that at all.

02:04:16.000 I don't want to see that out of Ioana.

02:04:18.000 She has so much more work to do.

02:04:20.000 Yeah, well, it's also...

02:04:22.000 Ioana had a long career in Muay Thai.

02:04:25.000 A long career, you know, like a lot of fights.

02:04:27.000 Oh, yeah, tons.

02:04:28.000 A lot of kickboxing, sparring, a lot of MMA sparring.

02:04:32.000 Sometimes your chin just goes.

02:04:35.000 I mean, there's a real possibility.

02:04:37.000 Sometimes your chin just goes.

02:04:38.000 You think it's a chin thing?

02:04:39.000 I don't know.

02:04:40.000 I don't know.

02:04:41.000 See, I think it's too early to call for that, especially at that weight class.

02:04:44.000 I think for her, it was more she just wasn't being respectful of Rose. 0.99

02:04:48.000 I thought she was going to walk through all the shit-talking she was doing. 1.00

02:04:50.000 And Rose is a different animal. 0.99

02:04:52.000 She reminds me of Brian Ortega a little bit, where she's very dangerous on conventional and there's certain spots you can't train for.

02:04:59.000 She's that type of animal, similar to Brian Ortega.

02:05:03.000 But with Ioana, gun to my head, I'd say Ioana wins by decision. 0.99

02:05:09.000 But again, I hate...

02:05:10.000 Making picks makes me feel bad lately. 0.96

02:05:13.000 Yeah, making picks is tough, man, because you're going to piss people off, and they're like, oh, we're fucking rooting against me.

02:05:19.000 No, you have to look at the analysis of it.

02:05:23.000 Before the fight, I thought Rose was in trouble.

02:05:25.000 I'm like, Ioana's very hard to take down.

02:05:27.000 Her stand-up is world-class, and I think she could very well pick Rose apart and crack her as she's coming in. 1.00

02:05:35.000 But when she hit her with that left hook, she hit her before that and hurt her. 1.00

02:05:39.000 But when she hit her with that left hook, I was like, Jesus. 0.98

02:05:42.000 Explosive, too.

02:05:43.000 She looks good, man.

02:05:44.000 And Rose, like, on the embedded, Rose was, Pat Barry takes a giant box of tennis balls and throws tennis balls at her. 0.96

02:05:53.000 And she's popping tennis balls in the air, and she looks fucking solid. 0.83

02:05:57.000 And Rose, too, her ceiling, we're just seeing it. 0.94

02:06:00.000 She has so much room for growth.

02:06:01.000 She's so young, and she has Pat, and she has Trevor around her.

02:06:04.000 And now, forever, people are like, you're going to be world champion.

02:06:07.000 And everyone tells, coaches tell fighters all the time. 1.00

02:06:10.000 But when it actually happens, you go, oh shit! 1.00

02:06:13.000 They're not bullshitting. 1.00

02:06:14.000 They're not just saying this.

02:06:15.000 And I think when she actually believes it, now you're dealing with different Thug Rose.

02:06:19.000 You're dealing with different Ioana.

02:06:21.000 Ioana doesn't think she's the greatest gift to the MMA world.

02:06:24.000 So that combination is such a fascinating fight.

02:06:27.000 And no one's talking about it.

02:06:28.000 Yeah, well, everybody was so caught up in this cancellation.

02:06:31.000 And the Ferguson-Khabib fight was so huge.

02:06:35.000 For the hardcores, for sure.

02:06:36.000 But it's also one of those things where with Rose coming into this fight now and Ioana making excuses for the last fight, I'm really interested to see what happens when they square off.

02:06:47.000 I can't wait for that fight.

02:06:49.000 Is Ioana going to do the same talking again and Rose reciting the Bible?

02:06:53.000 I don't think she can.

02:06:54.000 I don't think Ioana can do the same talking.

02:06:56.000 You don't think she goes, this was a fluke, I'm doing the exact same thing. 0.99

02:06:59.000 No, I think Rose is going to stare right through her fucking soul again. 1.00

02:07:02.000 Me too. 1.00

02:07:02.000 Be like, I'm the champ, bitch. 1.00

02:07:03.000 When you talk a gang of shit at someone, and they just stare right through you, and then they murk you in the first round, it's very tough to talk that shit the second time. 1.00

02:07:13.000 It's going to be interesting. 1.00

02:07:14.000 I think that's a sign, if Joanna isn't respecting Rose again, if she gets up there and starts talking that shit, I would put a ton of money on Rose. 1.00

02:07:21.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:07:22.000 If I see her doing the same things, I'm like, oh shit, you learned nothing, girl. 1.00

02:07:25.000 You learned nothing. 0.99

02:07:26.000 Well, it's whether or not Rose can clip her again. 1.00

02:07:29.000 If Rose charges in and clips her again. 0.89

02:07:31.000 It's also the thing about a striker always worried about being taken down is more likely to get hit with a shot.

02:07:38.000 Like Kevin Randall when he knocked out Mirko Krokok.

02:07:41.000 Correct.

02:07:41.000 Same thing.

02:07:42.000 Like Kevin was the threat as a wrestler, leaps in with a left hook and catches him right on the chin, knocks him the fuck out. 0.94

02:07:49.000 I think there's a real correlation there.

02:07:53.000 I wouldn't be surprised if Ioana's so focused on improving her stand-up and, you know, it's like, alright, I got caught this time.

02:07:58.000 I'm just going to overwhelm her.

02:07:59.000 Stand-up, she gets submitted.

02:08:00.000 She overlooked the submission game of Rose, which is actually Rose's best weapon. 0.98

02:08:04.000 That's what I was thinking.

02:08:05.000 I was thinking, bro, we might see Rose throw a flying armbar. 1.00

02:08:07.000 Correct. 1.00

02:08:08.000 We might see Rose do some wild shit. 1.00

02:08:09.000 She doesn't care about being on her back. 1.00

02:08:11.000 No.

02:08:12.000 And she's fast. 1.00

02:08:13.000 She goes for shit. 1.00

02:08:15.000 She's a wild, explosive person. 1.00

02:08:18.000 And she's a really interesting thinker, too.

02:08:21.000 She had a tough life, man.

02:08:23.000 Tough life growing up.

02:08:25.000 And developed this very strong mind.

02:08:28.000 Controlled chaos is what I call it.

02:08:29.000 And she's brilliant at it.

02:08:31.000 I think what else is fascinating about this, not that fight, I'm almost more excited for that fight than anything now, but what's fascinating to me is everyone talks about Conor McGregor, right?

02:08:41.000 Especially when you're talking about 155. And with Conor and Max Holloway, Conor's never looked back and went, ah, I'll fight that guy back even though I'm better.

02:08:48.000 The thing that gets Conor out of bed, I think, is the challenge and making history.

02:08:53.000 I think if Khabib or Max were to win, that would be a new challenge and he would be an underdog against Khabib.

02:08:59.000 And when Max Holloway, they have to have a history at 55. Especially if Khabib were to win, I think we see Conor take that fight now.

02:09:05.000 Because he goes, that's pound for pound great.

02:09:07.000 Well, I'm the best at moving backwards hitting dudes. 1.00

02:09:10.000 I bet you I can beat that guy.

02:09:11.000 And we see him, I think we see him take that fight.

02:09:14.000 I've never said that before.

02:09:16.000 I know Dana said, oh, they're going to fight in Russia.

02:09:18.000 I'm like, God, why would Conor fight him?

02:09:19.000 When you think of all the challenges in Conor's career and what gets him going, it's not people behind him.

02:09:24.000 It's always when people go, that guy's the best.

02:09:26.000 He goes, cool, give me that guy.

02:09:27.000 Very similar to Max Holloway.

02:09:30.000 Yeah.

02:09:31.000 If Max wins, for sure they have a rematch.

02:09:34.000 100%.

02:09:35.000 The thing about Khabib is, you've always got to wonder who's avoiding him.

02:09:40.000 There's a difference there.

02:09:42.000 Everybody.

02:09:42.000 See, the difference is, Max is one of the best fighters on the planet, no doubt.

02:09:47.000 He's one of my top.

02:09:48.000 One of my top guys.

02:09:50.000 Maybe even ever.

02:09:51.000 Top featherweight of all time.

02:09:52.000 But people aren't avoiding him.

02:09:54.000 No.

02:09:56.000 Like I said, Khabib's a different animal. 1.00

02:09:58.000 He's a terrifying guy. 0.81

02:09:59.000 I referenced this. 0.85

02:10:00.000 I said, if you gave me a choice to make the walk against Francis or Khabib, I'm picking Francis because it's a quick death. 0.99

02:10:07.000 He's going to knock my head into the third row, but it's quick.

02:10:10.000 Khabib, it's like an ISIS video.

02:10:12.000 Long drawn out. 0.99

02:10:13.000 It's going to be a fucking nightmare that you're not going to forget. 1.00

02:10:15.000 Yeah, he's going to beat your body into a pulp. 1.00

02:10:18.000 But the worst is he breaks you where it's like, oh, you were good at this and people thought you were mentally strong? 0.64

02:10:25.000 Watch this. 1.00

02:10:26.000 Now your entire family and friends are going to see how much of a pussy you are as they bash your brains in round after round after round after round. 1.00

02:10:33.000 You see him break guys too, though. 1.00

02:10:35.000 You see something happens to them.

02:10:37.000 They give in to the inevitability of getting ragdolled. 1.00

02:10:41.000 Oh, he's just better.

02:10:42.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:10:42.000 Oh, the only person that's going to beat him, it's not a person, it's a fucking grizzly bear. 1.00

02:10:46.000 You know, it's like, fuck this, man. 1.00

02:10:48.000 And you can see it in their eyes, where it just changes, where it's just like, nope, not happening. 1.00

02:10:53.000 How many rounds?

02:10:54.000 Four more rounds of this?

02:10:56.000 This is terrible.

02:10:57.000 If he wins and he beats Holloway, I guarantee you he's calling out McGregor.

02:11:02.000 He wants the GSP fight.

02:11:05.000 Khabib wants GSP? Holy shit. 1.00

02:11:08.000 That's what I hear. 1.00

02:11:09.000 Whoa.

02:11:10.000 That's the super fight for him.

02:11:11.000 At 170?

02:11:12.000 Mm-hmm.

02:11:12.000 Whoa.

02:11:14.000 What a great fight, right?

02:11:15.000 It's a perfect time to do it right now, right?

02:11:17.000 GSP wins by rear naked choke against Bisping at 185. Says he doesn't want to fight at 85 again.

02:11:23.000 Here, take your belt. 1.00

02:11:24.000 Suck it. 1.00

02:11:25.000 Suck it. 1.00

02:11:26.000 GSP, it just goes, suck it. 1.00

02:11:27.000 Take your belt. 1.00

02:11:28.000 Take your belt.

02:11:29.000 Yeah, I know I told you I'd fight there. 1.00

02:11:30.000 Suck it. 0.99

02:11:31.000 Do whatever you want to do with that belt. 1.00

02:11:32.000 I'm just going to do whatever the fuck I want. 0.99

02:11:33.000 I made a couple million bucks. 0.98

02:11:34.000 True.

02:11:35.000 I'm going to kick back for a while.

02:11:36.000 And now you get Khabib, who, oh, you fancy yourself a grappler, GSP? Me too.

02:11:42.000 Let's party.

02:11:43.000 That's a really interesting fight.

02:11:44.000 You know, if I can make a super fight, if I was like Dana, Scrooge McDuck, just sitting on top of all these gold coins, I'd call it Ben Askren.

02:11:50.000 I'm like, Yo, any interest in fighting Khabib at 170? 0.99

02:11:54.000 Fuck yes. 1.00

02:11:55.000 Fuck yes. 1.00

02:11:56.000 What's up, brother? 1.00

02:11:56.000 That's what I'm talking about. 1.00

02:11:57.000 Yes!

02:11:57.000 That's the fight.

02:11:58.000 Call your boy!

02:11:58.000 I'll call my boy.

02:11:59.000 He blocked my call.

02:12:01.000 Call your boy.

02:12:02.000 Did he block your call?

02:12:03.000 I don't call him, but I'm sure...

02:12:05.000 I'm going to talk to him this weekend.

02:12:06.000 I'm going to talk to him this weekend.

02:12:07.000 That would be the fight.

02:12:08.000 The one fight to get him out.

02:12:09.000 But here's the thing.

02:12:10.000 What if Ben Askren wins? 1.00

02:12:11.000 He starts talking shit. 1.00

02:12:12.000 Calling Dana a fat fuck. 1.00

02:12:14.000 Perfect. 1.00

02:12:14.000 Egghead. 1.00

02:12:15.000 It works.

02:12:15.000 It sells paper.

02:12:17.000 It's the bottom line.

02:12:19.000 Yeah, but then you ruin Khabib. 0.98

02:12:21.000 If Ben Askren could beat him.

02:12:22.000 I think you give Ben Askren a guy who's a good fighter.

02:12:26.000 GSP. Well, yeah, but seeing it, most people don't know who Ben Askren is.

02:12:30.000 The problem is, he fought in Bellator for so long, and then even when Bellator's gotten bigger on Spike TV, he was off in 1FC. Which, yeah, no one saw.

02:12:39.000 We are huge Ben Askren fans, but we're hardcore.

02:12:42.000 Like, the casual fan has no idea, like, who's this guy with the curly hair they're sending to his death?

02:12:49.000 But we can sell it because he speaks well.

02:12:53.000 He's a beast on the mic.

02:12:54.000 And then you pin an Olympian who's on the feed and never been hit against Khabib. 0.97

02:13:01.000 We call it the Cold War. 0.98

02:13:03.000 I think in the UFC, particularly me, who I'm a big Ben Askren dick rider, and Jimmy Smith, who's also a big Ben Askren dick rider. 0.99

02:13:10.000 I think we're all dick riders. 1.00

02:13:11.000 We're all dick riders. 1.00

02:13:12.000 We could sell the shit out of it. 0.99

02:13:14.000 I could hype the shit out of that fight and be 100% honest in the process. 0.96

02:13:17.000 I think he's something special.

02:13:19.000 I think his grappling is very unusual, very difficult to prepare for.

02:13:22.000 And if you're going to deal with Khabib against a guy who can neutralize his stuff, and then we see, like, what if we see Khabib on his back? 0.94

02:13:30.000 Ben Askren fucking put a knee across the belly, punching Khabib in the face. 0.98

02:13:35.000 We're like, no! 1.00

02:13:35.000 What about Ben Askren on his back? 1.00

02:13:37.000 And Khabib just doing the ground and pound. 1.00

02:13:39.000 There's these crazy scrambles and the grappling community is going to be like, what the fuck? 0.99

02:13:45.000 It would be amazing. 1.00

02:13:45.000 This is terrible striking, but what the fuck? 1.00

02:13:47.000 Good luck selling that to Uncle Dana. 1.00

02:13:48.000 Uncle Dana's going to be like, fuck you! 1.00

02:13:52.000 He's going to slam that phone down. 1.00

02:13:53.000 Fuck you! 1.00

02:13:55.000 He's like, sir, I'm trying to finalize CM Punk Floyd here. 1.00

02:13:59.000 You're talking about Ben Askren?

02:14:01.000 Khabib?

02:14:01.000 How dare you?

02:14:02.000 He would have to have a good relationship with Ben Askren.

02:14:05.000 No, he doesn't.

02:14:06.000 I disagree.

02:14:07.000 No, he doesn't.

02:14:07.000 He can go, alright, I'm going to make money off this kid.

02:14:10.000 I have $450 million.

02:14:12.000 I'm going to make money off this kid.

02:14:13.000 Let me do this.

02:14:14.000 Don't you think you'd have to put Ben Askren in a UFC fight, though, against somebody to show everybody what he's capable of?

02:14:20.000 Nope.

02:14:21.000 He has all those belts.

02:14:22.000 Undefeated.

02:14:23.000 Olympian.

02:14:24.000 We just... 1.00

02:14:24.000 Promo the shit. 1.00

02:14:25.000 He's on Embedded. 1.00

02:14:26.000 He's on UFC Tonight.

02:14:28.000 He's on Below the Belt.

02:14:29.000 He's on JRE. We go on this campaign.

02:14:31.000 He's dressed in a flag. 0.99

02:14:33.000 He's like, watch me beat the shit out of the pound for pound great Russian. 1.00

02:14:38.000 Who else doesn't like Russia? 0.99

02:14:39.000 We're all, yeah!

02:14:43.000 MAGA! Great!

02:14:44.000 Ooh, I like it.

02:14:45.000 It's never happening, probably, though.

02:14:47.000 It's never happening, but you sold me.

02:14:49.000 Thank you, sir.

02:14:49.000 If we could just get Dana to listen to this video.

02:14:51.000 Dana, Uncle D. If you just have him fight someone who's really good, like Neil Magny, or Carlos Condit, have him his introduction fight. 0.96

02:15:01.000 He's eating him up like fucking Kobayashi Tata. 0.93

02:15:03.000 Let's watch that introduction fight. 1.00

02:15:05.000 And who knows?

02:15:06.000 Nope.

02:15:06.000 This is a one-shot Hail Mary here.

02:15:09.000 We're selling the fuck out of it. 0.87

02:15:12.000 I'm interested. 0.99

02:15:12.000 Because then what happens if he fights and just rapes him, humps him for three rounds? 0.99

02:15:17.000 People are like, that sucked, man. 0.98

02:15:19.000 I know, but he probably won't be able to do that Khabib. 1.00

02:15:21.000 So you've got to watch that one.

02:15:22.000 We missed the boat.

02:15:22.000 Well, his style is so much more suited to 1FC because they allow those knees to the head on the ground.

02:15:27.000 True.

02:15:27.000 Soccer kicks.

02:15:28.000 Do they still allow soccer kicks in 1FC? Did they stop it after Brandon Vera almost executed a dude?

02:15:33.000 I think they still do it.

02:15:35.000 How about the Roger Huerta one?

02:15:36.000 Oh my gosh.

02:15:36.000 Roger Huerta got head kicked by that dude.

02:15:38.000 How about Roger Huerta's fight in Ben Henderson this weekend?

02:15:41.000 That's flying under the radar.

02:15:42.000 Yeah, it is flying under the radar.

02:15:44.000 Well, Huerta was the first ever MMA fighter on the cover of Sports Illustrated.

02:15:50.000 People forget.

02:15:51.000 People forgot that back in the day, was this like 2002-ish, 2003-ish?

02:15:55.000 Yeah, right before that, I forget who he beat, then he was supposed to fight Kenny Florin, if you remember.

02:16:00.000 He was on the front cover.

02:16:01.000 What year was that?

02:16:03.000 2004?

02:16:04.000 2005?

02:16:05.000 No.

02:16:06.000 That's crazy.

02:16:06.000 Later than that, 2006. 2006?

02:16:10.000 2006?

02:16:11.000 What does it say?

02:16:12.000 Oh yeah, here's the head kick. 1.00

02:16:14.000 So the dude is already beating him.

02:16:17.000 He ragdolls him.

02:16:18.000 Hort is down.

02:16:19.000 And look at this.

02:16:20.000 This is horrible.

02:16:21.000 Boom! 0.99

02:16:22.000 I mean, that was one of the worst head kicks you'll ever see.

02:16:25.000 That was horrible.

02:16:26.000 See, I don't want to see that.

02:16:27.000 I don't want that in my sport.

02:16:29.000 That's horrible.

02:16:30.000 That one's horrible.

02:16:30.000 Like, that guy was already hurt and out of it before that.

02:16:35.000 Whoa, the average casual adult soccer player can kick a ball with a thousand foot-pound force.

02:16:42.000 The average professional soccer player can kick at about 1,200 foot-pound force.

02:16:47.000 My educated guess is elite, highly trained martial artists perform very similar to the professional soccer player.

02:16:51.000 I'll tell you what. 0.99

02:16:52.000 You put somebody down on their hands and knees, and I kick them in the head like that... 0.99

02:16:55.000 It's going to be a lot more than that. 1.00

02:16:56.000 They're fucked. 1.00

02:16:57.000 Oh, you might... 1.00

02:16:58.000 Broden killed a guy.

02:16:59.000 You know, you don't want to see that. 0.98

02:17:00.000 You could kill somebody doing that. 1.00

02:17:02.000 You literally could snap their neck. 1.00

02:17:04.000 There's no doubt about it.

02:17:05.000 When was that Sports Illustrated cover though, Jamie?

02:17:08.000 Do you remember Roger Huerta on the cover of Sports Illustrated?

02:17:11.000 And it says, is the UFC the next emerging sport, or is it just a fad or something like that?

02:17:17.000 I want to say 2006. Me too, I'm thinking 6-ish.

02:17:20.000 Because I think it's post...

02:17:21.000 It's post...

02:17:24.000 Tough.

02:17:24.000 Yeah, it's post-Stefan Bonner, Forrest Griffin.

02:17:27.000 Yeah, I agree.

02:17:27.000 And that was 2005. Yeah, so 2006, 2007?

02:17:30.000 Maybe 2007?

02:17:33.000 But remember Roger Huerta, he got all that notoriety, and then he tried big dick in the UFC. He went, no, I want this, this, and this.

02:17:40.000 Then he went, cool, we're going to sit you, and then give you the worst matchup possible. 1.00

02:17:44.000 Here's Gray Maynard.

02:17:45.000 Yeah.

02:17:46.000 May 28th, 2006. Boom.

02:17:49.000 There it goes.

02:17:49.000 What's up?

02:17:50.000 2007. I'm sorry, 2007. Ah!

02:17:52.000 Shit, sorry, my bad. 1.00

02:17:53.000 Mother. 1.00

02:17:54.000 So...

02:17:54.000 We were in the neighborhood.

02:17:55.000 Yeah, we're close.

02:17:56.000 So this was, you know, Roger Huerta was like the poster board. 1.00

02:18:00.000 Handsome, Hispanic, Latino, bad motherfucker. 1.00

02:18:05.000 Remember when Roger Huerta beat that dude up that punched a chick in the face like a goddamn superhero in Austin, Texas? 1.00

02:18:11.000 He's a big football player. 0.99

02:18:12.000 Big football player, sucker punched a girl in the face in front of everybody, dropped her. 0.99

02:18:17.000 And then Roger Huerta takes his shirt off and fucks this dude up. 0.98

02:18:21.000 There's a scramble. 0.96

02:18:22.000 You see the dude squaring off.

02:18:23.000 Roger's way smaller than him.

02:18:24.000 Cut to, a few seconds later, you see Roger soccer kicking him.

02:18:29.000 Here it is.

02:18:30.000 So Roger is standing back here, and this guy steps into this girl.

02:18:36.000 TMZ, son.

02:18:37.000 World star.

02:18:37.000 Did you show the first beginning of it?

02:18:39.000 That's a long video.

02:18:40.000 Yeah, but the beginning of it is when he steps in and punches the girl in the face.

02:18:44.000 Oh, right there.

02:18:45.000 He drops a girl.

02:18:46.000 Go right to the beginning.

02:18:47.000 Knocks a girl out. 1.00

02:18:48.000 Right to the beginning.

02:18:50.000 It doesn't play the whole thing.

02:18:52.000 So the guy in the orange shirt, big-ass dude, drops a girl.

02:18:55.000 Female girl. 0.99

02:18:56.000 Punched her in the face. 0.97

02:18:56.000 Then look at Werta. 0.97

02:18:57.000 Look at him.

02:18:59.000 Yeah.

02:19:03.000 Good luck holding back Werta. 1.00

02:19:04.000 He's talking shit. 1.00

02:19:07.000 He's saying, that's a girl, man. 1.00

02:19:08.000 He's so much smaller. 1.00

02:19:09.000 This guy's like, fuck you. 1.00

02:19:10.000 I'll fuck you up, too. 1.00

02:19:11.000 Werther always had good fashion, too. 1.00

02:19:13.000 Just want to throw that out there.

02:19:15.000 There's another video of this where you hear more volume with them talking to each other.

02:19:20.000 This might be the only one I've ever seen.

02:19:21.000 Oh, there goes Werther takes his shirt off and he's pissed.

02:19:24.000 Guy who hit girl, Roger Werther.

02:19:25.000 Yeah, they both took their shirt off.

02:19:27.000 Okay, here we go. 0.98

02:19:28.000 That guy has some titties with a... 0.98

02:19:29.000 So Roger chases him down. 1.00

02:19:32.000 Well, Roger was fast as fuck. 0.99

02:19:34.000 That guy had no idea what he's doing. 1.00

02:19:36.000 He was an animal. 0.91

02:19:37.000 Before he knew it, that dude's getting punched in the face. 0.93

02:19:39.000 And at the end, you see Roger's got the dude in the ground soccer kicking him.

02:19:43.000 No, it's like jumping into the water and there's a crocodile in there.

02:19:46.000 Before you know it...

02:19:49.000 Look at Roger.

02:19:50.000 Boom! 0.99

02:19:51.000 He's out cold.

02:19:52.000 You know, and that's justice, isn't it?

02:19:54.000 He's basically a Mexican Batman there. 0.88

02:19:57.000 If he kept kicking him, it would have been justice. 1.00

02:19:59.000 I mean, it was justice for sure, but fuck that guy. 1.00

02:20:01.000 Oh, I know. 1.00

02:20:02.000 Imagine sucker punching your daughter. 0.99

02:20:04.000 Big, giant, 250-pound football player. 1.00

02:20:07.000 Sucker punches your daughter in the face. 1.00

02:20:09.000 It'd be hard not to kill him. 1.00

02:20:09.000 Very hard not to kill him. 1.00

02:20:10.000 That guy's very lucky he's alive. 0.99

02:20:12.000 Very lucky he's alive.

02:20:13.000 And he probably shouldn't be.

02:20:14.000 If he doesn't feel remorse for that... 1.00

02:20:16.000 Soccer punching a girl in the face like that, it's a special kind of piece of shit. 1.00

02:20:20.000 That's a big dude, too. 1.00

02:20:21.000 It's a giant dude.

02:20:22.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:20:22.000 I mean, who knows what the fuck is going on in his head? 0.99

02:20:25.000 But then again, who knows what the fuck is going on with a lot of football players that have suffered a lot of head trauma? 0.99

02:20:30.000 True. 0.99

02:20:30.000 Or he could just be a bad guy, though. 0.99

02:20:31.000 Could be a bad guy.

02:20:32.000 Maybe he was raised around that, thinks it's okay.

02:20:34.000 Yeah, maybe.

02:20:35.000 Who knows what the girl did, too. 0.99

02:20:36.000 Either way, never okay to hit a girl. 1.00

02:20:38.000 Fuck! 1.00

02:20:39.000 Like that, too? 1.00

02:20:40.000 That's a horrible thing to watch.

02:20:42.000 It's a horrible thing to watch.

02:20:43.000 It's awful. 0.98

02:20:44.000 That guy punching a guy like you is horrible, but punching a girl in the face? 0.99

02:20:49.000 Horrible, man. 1.00

02:20:50.000 There's a lot of fucking shitty humans out there, man. 1.00

02:20:53.000 It's a real unfortunate part about us. 1.00

02:20:56.000 We keep going dark.

02:20:57.000 It's tough not to.

02:20:59.000 When you watch something like that.

02:21:00.000 I know.

02:21:00.000 But thank God Roger was there.

02:21:02.000 He did, man.

02:21:03.000 Superhero style.

02:21:04.000 I bet his friends are like, remember that time you got murked by Roger Huerta? 1.00

02:21:09.000 He's tiny, fought 155 pounds, and your giant ass is all juiced up in the goddamn weight room every day, and you still got knocked out for hitting a girl? 1.00

02:21:16.000 Remember that asshole? 1.00

02:21:18.000 Yeah, that guy never lives that down. 1.00

02:21:19.000 Nope. 0.99

02:21:20.000 Even now, I'm sure people will find him on Instagram and be like, hey, Rogan Shaw, we're talking mad shit about you, man. 0.99

02:21:25.000 Remember that? 0.98

02:21:25.000 You're never going to live it down. 0.98

02:21:26.000 If he never went to jail for that, that's the punishment.

02:21:29.000 Correct.

02:21:29.000 You never went to jail for that?

02:21:31.000 You're supposed to go to jail for that.

02:21:32.000 Yeah, for a long time.

02:21:32.000 That's supposed to put you in jail for a long time.

02:21:34.000 And hopefully he doesn't have kids.

02:21:37.000 It's dark.

02:21:39.000 Dark. 0.73

02:21:39.000 We went dark again. 0.73

02:21:41.000 We go dark sometimes.

02:21:45.000 What else is on this card this weekend?

02:21:47.000 You got Chiesa, Anthony Pettis.

02:21:50.000 That's a fun one.

02:21:51.000 Everybody's slept on that fight.

02:21:53.000 I know.

02:21:54.000 It's another one that's gone under the radar.

02:21:55.000 I know.

02:21:56.000 Chiesa, Anthony Pettis.

02:21:58.000 Very interesting, man.

02:21:59.000 Chiesa, man. 0.99

02:22:00.000 He fucking submitted Benil Dariush. 0.99

02:22:03.000 He gets your back. 1.00

02:22:04.000 You're fucksville, son. 0.98

02:22:04.000 But remember, he got submitted by Kevin Lee. 0.98

02:22:07.000 He did, but he didn't.

02:22:09.000 He didn't.

02:22:10.000 He didn't get submitted.

02:22:11.000 The referee stopped it.

02:22:12.000 I know, but you were saying he was good.

02:22:14.000 Look, he was tightening up his neck.

02:22:16.000 Yeah, because we've seen that.

02:22:18.000 You've got to let the guy go out.

02:22:19.000 Oh, come on, brother.

02:22:20.000 100%.

02:22:20.000 Paul Felder, Al Iaquinta.

02:22:23.000 That kicks it off.

02:22:25.000 Dude, Cater. 1.00

02:22:26.000 Did you see?

02:22:27.000 You remember Cater fighting in Boston? 0.97

02:22:28.000 He's a monster.

02:22:29.000 Calvin Cater and Moicano. 0.91

02:22:32.000 That's a good fight, too.

02:22:33.000 Dude, look at the undercard.

02:22:34.000 You've got Borg.

02:22:34.000 You've got Joe Lozon.

02:22:36.000 Go up there, up around our quarter.

02:22:38.000 Calvin Cater and Renato Moicano.

02:22:40.000 Great fight.

02:22:41.000 That's a great fight.

02:22:42.000 That's fight of the night written all over it.

02:22:43.000 Yeah, dude.

02:22:44.000 All over it. 0.98

02:22:45.000 God, there's fucking five excellent fights in that main guard. 0.99

02:22:48.000 Look at your boy Felice Herring. 0.99

02:22:49.000 Or look at your girl Felice Herring. 1.00

02:22:51.000 Yeah.

02:22:52.000 Versus Carolina.

02:22:53.000 Yes.

02:22:54.000 Carolina Kivalkovich.

02:22:55.000 And then I'm not even mad at the Fight Pass fight.

02:22:58.000 The main one, your boy Bruce Leary versus Lobov.

02:23:01.000 Did you hear about Artem Lobov, who's obviously Team Conor and then Team Khabib saw each other and they got into it?

02:23:07.000 Did they?

02:23:07.000 Yeah, Team Conor and then Team Khabib got really into it.

02:23:10.000 Because Khabib obviously asked for Conor when Tony fell out and Dana was like, come on, let's get real.

02:23:15.000 Yeah, you can't put that in.

02:23:16.000 You have a better shot of fighting Ben Asterix.

02:23:18.000 I read there's a video supposedly of Lobov calling him a coward and like he was calling him out to say it to his face.

02:23:24.000 Oh, wow.

02:23:25.000 It never goes good with those guys from...

02:23:27.000 For Dagestan?

02:23:28.000 It's Dagestan, right?

02:23:30.000 Yeah, you know how many people he must have seen get killed? 1.00

02:23:32.000 Shit. 1.00

02:23:34.000 I'm going to get mad off mentally. 1.00

02:23:35.000 He's in a completely different space. 0.99

02:23:37.000 Goddamn, Mike can't even be in color? 0.97

02:23:39.000 Why do they have Mike Rodriguez? 0.98

02:23:41.000 Why is Mike in black and white?

02:23:42.000 Why is he in dad shorts? 1.00

02:23:44.000 What the fuck kind of shit is this? 1.00

02:23:45.000 What kind of bullshit? 1.00

02:23:45.000 What is this bullshit? 1.00

02:23:46.000 They didn't even allow him to flex. 1.00

02:23:48.000 Goddamn, Mike's guts out. 1.00

02:23:50.000 He has the fucking regular Russell shorts on that you get in gym class. 1.00

02:23:54.000 Fuck, Mike. 1.00

02:23:55.000 Oh, man. 1.00

02:23:56.000 Oh, Joe Lozon's on the card, too.

02:23:58.000 Mike, Slow Mike Rodriguez.

02:24:00.000 That's not a great nickname.

02:24:02.000 Slow Mike.

02:24:03.000 That's not good.

02:24:04.000 That's a trick.

02:24:05.000 It's fast.

02:24:06.000 So fast I couldn't get him a colored picture.

02:24:09.000 Light heavyweight.

02:24:09.000 Look at that.

02:24:10.000 205 and 192. What is that?

02:24:13.000 What's that shit? 0.99

02:24:15.000 That's not a real weight. 1.00

02:24:16.000 It's a real weight.

02:24:17.000 It's not 192. One of them is 205. One is 192. That doesn't even make any sense.

02:24:23.000 Unless they're fighting at 85 and they caught them before the weight cut.

02:24:26.000 That makes zero sense.

02:24:27.000 That makes zero sense.

02:24:29.000 One guy's 13 pounds heavier?

02:24:31.000 What weight class are they fighting?

02:24:32.000 I mean, I know that's light heavyweight, but what is that?

02:24:36.000 Mike Rodriguez, what's a strange name for a black guy, last name Rodriguez.

02:24:41.000 Might be Cuban.

02:24:41.000 Maybe.

02:24:42.000 His name's Mike, though.

02:24:43.000 Slow-mo Mike.

02:24:44.000 But he's just fortunate.

02:24:46.000 He got a picture, because usually they just throw up a shadow if they don't have it.

02:24:49.000 This time they went, you know what?

02:24:50.000 You're not getting a shadow.

02:24:51.000 We're going black and white.

02:24:52.000 We're gonna let people know that you haven't really fought the UFC before.

02:24:57.000 But we're still gonna get pictures.

02:24:59.000 What do you think about Chiesa and Pettis?

02:25:02.000 Ah, man, Pettis, right?

02:25:04.000 He's on a bad streak.

02:25:05.000 He's on a rough streak.

02:25:06.000 He won his last one, right?

02:25:07.000 But then him fighting at 45, whoever told him to do that's insane.

02:25:10.000 That's how Holloway got his belt.

02:25:12.000 I'm a Kevin Lee fan, but I say he did not submit Michael Chiesa.

02:25:16.000 I say he had it, and they should have let him go out, and he would have won, but they didn't, and he didn't.

02:25:23.000 Okay.

02:25:23.000 Well, we're in the same boat.

02:25:25.000 However, if it would have kept going on, he would have been choked unconscious.

02:25:27.000 Maybe not.

02:25:28.000 Maybe not.

02:25:29.000 You've been doing jiu-jitsu way too long not to know.

02:25:31.000 Chiesa is like Hicks and Gracie. 1.00

02:25:33.000 Hicks and Gracie lets black belts take his back with a full rear naked choke and he's like, go ahead. 0.91

02:25:37.000 I know, Gracie. 0.94

02:25:38.000 Try to choke.

02:25:40.000 You know what Gracie we're talking about. 1.00

02:25:42.000 That's Hickson for God's sakes.

02:25:44.000 I love Chiesa.

02:25:45.000 That's a far cry from Hicks and Gracie.

02:25:48.000 And also, he went to go tap.

02:25:51.000 If you look at the video, he panics a little bit, and now he's a black belt, I think? 0.99

02:25:57.000 He knows what the fuck he's doing. 0.98

02:25:59.000 He was concentrating on his neck, if you hear him talk about it, that he'd put all his focus on his neck and let his hands go, and he's just tightening it up. 1.00

02:26:06.000 Oh yeah, you have Kevin Lee who's a fucking anaconda around your neck and has previous wins of rear naked chokes. 0.99

02:26:13.000 I don't buy it. 1.00

02:26:13.000 I agree with you. 1.00

02:26:14.000 They should have let it go on.

02:26:16.000 I think we've been choked unconscious.

02:26:17.000 Gotta let it go on.

02:26:18.000 You have to.

02:26:19.000 Gotta let it go on.

02:26:19.000 The only worst ref I've seen was the ref in the Joseph Parker fight.

02:26:24.000 I didn't see that fight. 0.99

02:26:25.000 The ref would not fucking let these guys fight. 0.98

02:26:27.000 Anytime they even got close, you jump in the room and push them away. 0.98

02:26:30.000 Who do you think that favored?

02:26:32.000 I think they thought it was going to favor Anthony Joshua.

02:26:34.000 For sure they want him to win, but actually favored...

02:26:38.000 Parker?

02:26:41.000 Did you agree with the decision?

02:26:42.000 Yes.

02:26:43.000 Parker definitely lost, but I don't agree where people are like, oh, Anthony Joshua looked bad in off night. 1.00

02:26:48.000 No, no, you morons. 1.00

02:26:49.000 And Paulie mentioned this. 1.00

02:26:50.000 The distance they fought in, such a high level.

02:26:53.000 No one got hit.

02:26:54.000 And Parker's such a good boxer. 0.97

02:26:55.000 His jab is so goddamn good. 0.96

02:26:58.000 It was just a battle of straight skill, man. 0.98

02:27:00.000 And I thought it was so impressive.

02:27:02.000 And people walk away from him going, man, Anthony Joshua's not that good.

02:27:05.000 I went, man, he's better than I thought.

02:27:06.000 He can box way better than I thought.

02:27:08.000 Well, it's because you understand.

02:27:09.000 Yes.

02:27:09.000 The people that say it's not that good because he didn't win by spectacular knockout.

02:27:13.000 Yes.

02:27:13.000 Like Deontay Wilder.

02:27:14.000 Correct.

02:27:16.000 Wilder, that's interesting. 1.00

02:27:18.000 The Wilder fight is very interesting because Wilder talks a ton of shit. 1.00

02:27:22.000 He's exciting. 1.00

02:27:23.000 He's brash.

02:27:24.000 He's got serious knockout power. 0.99

02:27:26.000 Crazy.

02:27:27.000 And he's fun to watch, man. 0.99

02:27:28.000 And he's like a brash American. 1.00

02:27:31.000 That's a great fight.

02:27:32.000 It's a great fight.

02:27:32.000 When are they going to do that?

02:27:34.000 Does Wilder have to fight somebody first?

02:27:37.000 It sounds like Joshua's going to fight someone else and Wilder's going to fight someone else.

02:27:40.000 Why are they doing that? 1.00

02:27:41.000 That's so stupid. 1.00

02:27:42.000 It's so stupid. 1.00

02:27:42.000 You know how boxing is, man. 1.00

02:27:43.000 It's so stupid. 1.00

02:27:44.000 Well, they build it up to make this big, giant event. 1.00

02:27:47.000 And when it comes off, like, look, it comes off.

02:27:49.000 It comes off like Pacquiao versus Mayweather.

02:27:51.000 It's giant.

02:27:51.000 It's the number one problem with boxing.

02:27:53.000 Give us the matchups everyone wants to see.

02:27:55.000 That's why the UFC gains so much ground.

02:27:57.000 Because usually Dana, besides Asperger and Khabib, usually when there's a fight, Dana goes, boom, there you go.

02:28:03.000 Super, you want to see steep ADC? Boom, there you go.

02:28:05.000 Conor Aldo?

02:28:06.000 Boom, there you go.

02:28:07.000 So we get all this.

02:28:08.000 Conor, Eddie Alvarez?

02:28:09.000 There you go.

02:28:09.000 So we get these super fights.

02:28:10.000 In boxing, like, no, no.

02:28:12.000 Listen, we want to do this.

02:28:14.000 And this guy's a mandatory.

02:28:15.000 I manage this guy.

02:28:16.000 And this guy's PBC boxing.

02:28:17.000 This guy's Showtime.

02:28:18.000 So it's all this red tape.

02:28:20.000 Yeah.

02:28:20.000 It'd be a phenomenal fight.

02:28:22.000 It'd be a phenomenal fight.

02:28:23.000 Phenomenal fight.

02:28:24.000 It's gonna happen.

02:28:25.000 I think it happens.

02:28:26.000 I don't know if it happens at the end of this year, but...

02:28:27.000 I just can't believe Triple G and Canelo are not gonna fight on 8th.

02:28:32.000 That's such a bummer.

02:28:33.000 I feel like it's not even...

02:28:35.000 I mean, what is today date?

02:28:36.000 Is it April 5th?

02:28:37.000 It's a month away.

02:28:38.000 Yeah, I know.

02:28:38.000 They haven't even put the hearing together.

02:28:42.000 The hearing is like, what, the 18th or something?

02:28:44.000 Canelo backed out.

02:28:45.000 Why did he back out?

02:28:46.000 I think he knew the odds were against him and backed out.

02:28:50.000 And then, you know, Triple G's still planning on fighting May 5th.

02:28:52.000 Wow.

02:28:53.000 He's still going to fight. 1.00

02:28:54.000 Who the fuck is he going to fight? 0.97

02:28:56.000 I'd love it if he fought Billy Joe Saunders, but Joe Saunders can't fight until June. 0.98

02:28:59.000 Why?

02:29:01.000 Because he's coming off a hand injury.

02:29:02.000 But he's like, I'm ready in June.

02:29:03.000 Let's do it in June.

02:29:04.000 If I'm Triple G, I'm not fighting May 5th.

02:29:08.000 You're going to sell 30 pay-per-views.

02:29:10.000 When Canelo drops out, whoever they're replaced with, it's not going to be a huge name.

02:29:14.000 I'm sure it's going to be a tough guy.

02:29:15.000 It's going to be a worthy opponent.

02:29:17.000 It's not going to make you bank.

02:29:19.000 You make bank off your pay-per-view.

02:29:20.000 Just fight in June!

02:29:22.000 Just fight in June! 0.99

02:29:23.000 Fight fucking Billy Joe Saunders in June for us. 0.98

02:29:26.000 Yeah, but the problem is they don't have the date in June. 1.00

02:29:28.000 When you look at a venue like the T-Bumble Arena in Vegas, that motherfucker is booked out way in advance. 0.97

02:29:36.000 Except for the Mayweather-McGregor fight. 0.98

02:29:39.000 The Mayweather-McGregor fight, they found an opening.

02:29:41.000 They said, let's do it.

02:29:42.000 Because now you're dealing with the boxing commission.

02:29:44.000 Then they have to pay.

02:29:46.000 They have to pay, yeah.

02:29:47.000 Ice Cube's Basketball League had it booked.

02:29:49.000 Ice Cube's Basketball League.

02:29:51.000 How much do they have to pay?

02:29:52.000 Three-on-three league.

02:29:52.000 I heard six million.

02:29:55.000 Really?

02:29:56.000 Six million, and then they did the parking lot. 0.97

02:29:59.000 But it's three-on-three basketball, so Ice Cube, get the fuck out the way. 1.00

02:30:04.000 I'll watch three-on-three at the rack. 0.65

02:30:06.000 I'm not trying to see these old basketball players play three-on-three. 0.98

02:30:08.000 Get the fuck out so we can watch Conor vs. 0.99

02:30:11.000 Floyd. 0.98

02:30:12.000 Don't give us any hassle.

02:30:13.000 What is Ice Cube's basketball league?

02:30:14.000 It's his three-on-three league.

02:30:15.000 What is it?

02:30:15.000 They have a bunch of old college players and some old NBA players, and they play a three-on-three half-court game.

02:30:20.000 They put it on TV. It was done every week in a different city.

02:30:24.000 They have a four-point shot?

02:30:26.000 What?

02:30:27.000 If they had a master's league and you could only use your left jab, that's what it's like in the UFC. It's a fucking nightmare, you sons of bitches. 1.00

02:30:34.000 Karate is back. 1.00

02:30:35.000 New World Full Contact Karate Combat League kicks off.

02:30:38.000 Is this with Boss Rutten?

02:30:40.000 Just announced today, yeah.

02:30:41.000 Yeah, Boss Rutten is the commentator.

02:30:44.000 He's coming on.

02:30:45.000 He might have something to do with the organization, too.

02:30:47.000 Boss is coming on next week to talk about it.

02:30:49.000 El Guapo! 0.98

02:30:50.000 In the house!

02:30:51.000 I love Boss.

02:30:52.000 I love Boss, too.

02:30:53.000 They play in a pit.

02:30:54.000 Or they fight, rather.

02:30:54.000 In a pit.

02:30:55.000 In a straight pit?

02:30:56.000 Like sand pit?

02:30:57.000 Look at it.

02:30:58.000 See it?

02:30:58.000 Oh, bro.

02:30:59.000 Chuck Norris did this shit. 1.00

02:31:00.000 Yeah, that's the way to go, man. 1.00

02:31:02.000 Oh, yeah.

02:31:02.000 It worked out great for Chuck.

02:31:03.000 Look, it did work out great.

02:31:05.000 He had a lot of successful shows.

02:31:07.000 Yeah, they have a fight booked April 26th in Miami.

02:31:11.000 Wonder Boy fighting in it.

02:31:12.000 They're going to fight with karate pants on, too, it looks like.

02:31:15.000 So they're fighting with little gloves on, but they're wearing karate pants.

02:31:18.000 And it's going to be in the Olympics.

02:31:19.000 Not this exact thing, but karate's in the Olympics for the next one.

02:31:22.000 Karate's in the Olympics. 0.98

02:31:23.000 I'll tell you right now, all these fighters better pray to God Wonder Boy doesn't get a feather up his ass and decide to join this league. 0.98

02:31:28.000 Or Raymond Daniels or one of these world-class guys. 0.99

02:31:32.000 Now, can you kick to the legs?

02:31:33.000 I don't know about rules on it. 0.99

02:31:34.000 You better be able to kick to the legs. 1.00

02:31:36.000 You can fuck it. 1.00

02:31:38.000 For sure fight in a sandpit, though. 1.00

02:31:40.000 They should fight in a basketball court. 0.99

02:31:43.000 Oh, God damn it. 1.00

02:31:44.000 Stop that. 1.00

02:31:44.000 I can't! 1.00

02:31:45.000 We can't say that.

02:31:47.000 Fight in a basketball court.

02:31:48.000 Period.

02:31:49.000 Don't let them get too close to the fans.

02:31:52.000 Don't let them get too close to the fans.

02:31:54.000 Three rounds, three minutes, offensive technique scored more highly than counter-strikes.

02:31:58.000 It says, karate is back!

02:32:00.000 Approximately 50 million Americans have participated in karate at some point in their lives. 0.95

02:32:04.000 And then I grew the fuck up. 0.58

02:32:05.000 You gotta stop with that. 0.98

02:32:06.000 Then I grew the fuck up. 0.99

02:32:07.000 Then I realized, oh, I'm not learning shit that Jean-Claude did in the movies, and this isn't fun anymore. 0.98

02:32:13.000 Yeah, when someone says that, approximately 50 million Americans have participated in karate at some point in their life. 0.99

02:32:17.000 Yeah, little kids taking fucking karate classes. 0.98

02:32:20.000 My seven-year-old's awesome at it. 1.00

02:32:21.000 Correct.

02:32:22.000 Yeah, me too.

02:32:22.000 That's great.

02:32:23.000 I was a yellow adult. 1.00

02:32:24.000 Fuck out of here. 1.00

02:32:25.000 The problem with karate is we already know about MMA and we already know about Muay Thai. 1.00

02:32:30.000 But...

02:32:30.000 And Jiu-Jitsu.

02:32:31.000 What I do like is if they allow leg kicks and they have those small gloves on, it's basically like...

02:32:37.000 It's an MMA fight but all standing.

02:32:38.000 Yeah, it's all standing.

02:32:39.000 But also, they're not going to allow leg kicks.

02:32:41.000 God, they've got to allow leg kicks. 1.00

02:32:44.000 That's a huge fuck-up if they don't allow leg kicks. 0.98

02:32:47.000 Is Boss just a commentator or is he in on it as a promoter? 0.95

02:32:49.000 I don't know.

02:32:49.000 I'm going to find out next week.

02:32:51.000 But I would hope that they allow leg kicks.

02:32:54.000 I don't even like...

02:32:56.000 That glory doesn't allow elbows.

02:32:57.000 I feel like you should allow elbows.

02:32:59.000 I agree.

02:32:59.000 I think that's the sport.

02:33:01.000 The sport is if you're going to stand up, it should be Muay Thai.

02:33:04.000 I mean, that to me is the sport.

02:33:05.000 The rules of Muay Thai.

02:33:06.000 You could throw wheel kicks in Muay Thai.

02:33:07.000 You could throw flying sidekicks. 1.00

02:33:09.000 You do whatever the fuck you want. 0.99

02:33:10.000 But you also can do Muay Thai. 0.99

02:33:12.000 Like knees to the body, elbows to the face. 0.97

02:33:14.000 All those super effective, close range techniques that glory doesn't allow.

02:33:18.000 But I think they're worried about with the elbows, guys aren't going to be able to fight close together because of the elbows because of the cuts.

02:33:23.000 However, I'd rather deal with that than not allow elbows.

02:33:26.000 Well, I don't like the guys fighting close together.

02:33:28.000 I think that's super dangerous.

02:33:29.000 That's the sport though, isn't it? 0.94

02:33:30.000 But when you have guys fight more than one time in a night, I think that is fucking crazy.

02:33:34.000 When you have guys fight two, three times in a night like Joe Schilling did in the LA Last Man Standing event, that is bananas.

02:33:41.000 You're taking a giant chance.

02:33:44.000 You're hoping that someone doesn't get severely concussed even in a win in their first fight and then come back and fight in the second fight.

02:33:49.000 Doesn't that make it fun though?

02:33:50.000 Like that's kind of the nature of the game?

02:33:52.000 Like what about wrestling?

02:33:53.000 Like NCAAs, those guys wrestle a few times.

02:33:54.000 They're not getting head kicked.

02:33:56.000 They're cutting massive weight.

02:33:57.000 They are cutting massive weight, but they're not getting head kicked.

02:33:59.000 Getting head kicked in the first round and getting up at the count of seven and then fighting and then getting head kicked again an hour later.

02:34:08.000 It's nuts.

02:34:09.000 I agree.

02:34:09.000 It's crazy.

02:34:10.000 I just don't like it.

02:34:12.000 And also, you don't get the best guy versus the best guy in an even situation, right?

02:34:17.000 Like if one guy wins by first-round knockout, the other guy has a four-round war, like Joe Schilling did when he fought Simon Marcus.

02:34:23.000 Amazing fight.

02:34:24.000 Crazy fight.

02:34:25.000 They go to three rounds, it's a draw.

02:34:27.000 They go to the third, and Joe had been knocked down, I think, in the first, and then Joe stopped.

02:34:33.000 Isn't that kind of cool? 0.67

02:34:34.000 If you know the sport, you're like, damn, look how these guys just get through this, they've dealt with this, and now it's kind of cool. 0.85

02:34:40.000 But we know the repercussions. 0.98

02:34:41.000 Most people don't.

02:34:42.000 Right.

02:34:43.000 Well, then the UFC should bring back a tournament, too, then.

02:34:45.000 I'm not mad at that.

02:34:46.000 The Pride Tournament's It's so old school.

02:34:48.000 Yeah.

02:34:49.000 And people are probably going to die because you guys are so good now, but it's what you sign up for.

02:34:53.000 Well, the problem is if one guy goes through three rounds of hell and the other guy just lands like a Conor straight left hand they did on Aldo and wins in 13 seconds, it's just not fair.

02:35:01.000 I know.

02:35:02.000 And, you know, you don't care.

02:35:03.000 But however, that guy pulled off that 13 second knockout.

02:35:07.000 Another guy had a war.

02:35:08.000 It's true.

02:35:09.000 It's true.

02:35:10.000 It's true.

02:35:11.000 I mean, Glory is the only organization right now that's mainstream where you can watch guys fight more than once in a night.

02:35:16.000 They do it all the time.

02:35:18.000 Here's the point why the UFC is never going to do it and most sports won't do it.

02:35:21.000 It's hard to...

02:35:23.000 A, it's a long show.

02:35:25.000 B, it's hard to market that.

02:35:26.000 It shouldn't be sanctioned.

02:35:28.000 No.

02:35:28.000 There's a reason why it's not.

02:35:30.000 You're in the right here.

02:35:31.000 There's a reason why it's not.

02:35:32.000 I like to play devil's advocate, but the reason why it's not is because the masses are like, what?

02:35:36.000 You just saw him get kicked in the face fighting again?

02:35:38.000 They sanction it for kickboxing, but they don't sanction that for MMA. Isn't that weird?

02:35:43.000 Because Last Man Standing was in LA. We saw that at the fucking forum. 1.00

02:35:47.000 That was right here. 0.99

02:35:50.000 The whole rules are weird.

02:35:51.000 The judge, and we've talked about this before, and that's why I was so intrigued about the Tony Ferguson fight.

02:35:56.000 And this is why I did stand-up at the San Jose Improv.

02:36:01.000 And in the front row, and I didn't know they were going to be there, was all of Team AK. John Fitch, Thompson, stuff like that.

02:36:08.000 And after the show, someone in front of them asked me, This is before Ferguson dropped.

02:36:12.000 I went, Ferguson, Khabib, who's going to win?

02:36:14.000 And it was a toss-up for me because I thought Tony was going to do work off his back. 0.97

02:36:19.000 He was going to land a crazy amount of elbows and fuck up Khabib's face. 0.93

02:36:23.000 But because Khabib was on top, he'd get the win via decision. 0.96

02:36:26.000 And I said the losers are going to be the judges because they won't know how to judge that fight. 0.53

02:36:31.000 And saying that in front of the AK team was awkward.

02:36:34.000 Depends upon how it plays out, but if it plays out the way you described it, yeah.

02:36:38.000 If Tony is landing big shots from the bottom... 0.94

02:36:41.000 Submission threats, elbows, his face getting bloody, but Khabib's doing work on top, but Tony's still threatening elbows, elbows, just fucking him up. 0.86

02:36:48.000 It's possible, but if Khabib mauls him, it should be real clear. 0.96

02:36:52.000 We don't even know if we're ever going to see that now.

02:36:54.000 And that's a sin against humanity.

02:36:57.000 He says we won't.

02:36:58.000 He says we will never see it. 0.99

02:36:59.000 He said crazy shit like John Jones never being a main event again. 1.00

02:37:03.000 He said a lot of crazy shit. 1.00

02:37:04.000 True. 1.00

02:37:04.000 He says this person gets a title shot and then someone else does. 1.00

02:37:08.000 Yeah.

02:37:08.000 I think he's emotional.

02:37:09.000 He's upset.

02:37:10.000 I'd be pissed too.

02:37:10.000 But also, think how much money he's missed out on.

02:37:13.000 If they tried to, again, be the fifth time trying to promote this.

02:37:16.000 Is that the fifth, really?

02:37:17.000 Yeah.

02:37:17.000 This is the fourth they've dropped out.

02:37:19.000 The fourth they've tried to make this fight.

02:37:20.000 That's insane.

02:37:21.000 Sean Shelby and Joe Sill was trying to make this fight before he retired.

02:37:24.000 It's the one fight he wanted to make.

02:37:25.000 It never happened.

02:37:26.000 So if you're Dana, you're like, hold up. 0.98

02:37:27.000 How much money have we put in marketing to these fucks and it just doesn't happen for us? 0.99

02:37:33.000 We're out. 0.99

02:37:34.000 We're out.

02:37:34.000 But if it does happen, you got to do it.

02:37:36.000 You know, you said that you didn't believe it was going to happen until you saw the door bolt and they're standing next to each other.

02:37:41.000 Yeah, here we are.

02:37:41.000 Yeah, you're right.

02:37:42.000 It's such a shame.

02:37:45.000 You're the first person I texted when I saw it because we were talking about how sad we'd be.

02:37:49.000 It's such a bummer.

02:37:51.000 But this is the next best thing.

02:37:53.000 No, the next best thing is Connor.

02:37:55.000 This is the next best, next best thing.

02:37:57.000 This is the next best thing on a six days notice.

02:38:00.000 Yeah, you would never get Connor on six days notice.

02:38:03.000 No.

02:38:04.000 But what if Conor was scheduled to fight?

02:38:07.000 See, the thing about Conor at this stage is there's no tune-up fights.

02:38:10.000 It's never going to happen again.

02:38:13.000 Every fight is just giant.

02:38:15.000 The only fight where it would be a level playing field would be Nate Diaz because he's been out just as long.

02:38:20.000 So you have a little bit of ring rest.

02:38:22.000 You're both going to be out for a long time.

02:38:23.000 You're both going through the same thing.

02:38:25.000 You fight a guy like Khabib.

02:38:26.000 Do you think they offered it to Nate?

02:38:29.000 Who do you think they offered it to?

02:38:30.000 We know they offered it to Ortega.

02:38:32.000 Ortega, Eddie Alvarez.

02:38:34.000 And Alvarez said no, right?

02:38:36.000 Yeah.

02:38:36.000 Why did he say no?

02:38:37.000 I'm not sure.

02:38:38.000 He's out of shape.

02:38:39.000 Too heavy right now.

02:38:41.000 Oh yeah, he's 190. He's been doing it too long.

02:38:43.000 He said he's 190. I'm not making that sound.

02:38:45.000 He said, I'm all of 190. I love Eddie Alvarez.

02:38:47.000 Imagine losing 35 fucking pounds. 1.00

02:38:50.000 Nah. 0.99

02:38:51.000 How much, and if you know, please say it for everyone, how much you think they paid Max Holloway to take this fight?

02:38:56.000 Six day notice and they go, bro, we know you're champ at 145. Here's the offer.

02:39:02.000 There's no way we're just giving you this much.

02:39:04.000 All I know is what Eddie told me on the podcast about Tony.

02:39:07.000 He said he was going to make millions.

02:39:11.000 So, if that's what we know, we've got to assume there's a big paycheck in it for Max Holloway.

02:39:16.000 I told Brian Gus how much you think he's going to pay, and I said, if I'm max, I don't take that fight for under $4 million.

02:39:22.000 I know they're in a tough position, and they need a big name, and they're trying to recoup the pay-per-views, so I got them back in the corner.

02:39:28.000 I'm on a long-ass win streak.

02:39:31.000 I'm saying $4 million or bust.

02:39:32.000 Ooh, you're a bold man.

02:39:34.000 I'd say two.

02:39:36.000 Two?

02:39:37.000 After taxes?

02:39:38.000 Yeah.

02:39:39.000 That's not worth it. 1.00

02:39:41.000 Fuck that. 1.00

02:39:42.000 Not when you're fighting Khabib? 1.00

02:39:43.000 Fuck! 1.00

02:39:43.000 No! 1.00

02:39:44.000 What?

02:39:46.000 I need a million for every day, so six days.

02:39:49.000 You know, Max can submit people, but we don't anticipate him submitting Khabib.

02:39:57.000 It just seems like...

02:39:58.000 Khabib's grappling's on a higher level than Max's.

02:40:01.000 It seems like the way Max can win this fight is by pacing, because Max is...

02:40:06.000 Even if Max is not in shape, he's in phenomenal shape.

02:40:10.000 I mean, he's just...

02:40:10.000 He's got an incredible cardio base, and he really knows how to pace himself very well.

02:40:16.000 Pacing if it's more of a stand-up fight, and if it's at his tempo.

02:40:21.000 Khabib goes, watch your tempo, and just throws in a blender.

02:40:24.000 Yeah, he's...

02:40:25.000 And it's a six-day notice, and it's a Max who's taking time off, spending time with his family.

02:40:29.000 So all the chips are just stacked against Max.

02:40:32.000 All of it.

02:40:33.000 And it's a weight class above his weight class.

02:40:35.000 It's Khabib, who's a huge 155. It's arguably the best grappler in the UFC. And the other problem is he really doesn't entertain the stand-up game, so your chance of the home run shot is even dropped even lower.

02:40:52.000 That's why I'm saying four mil.

02:40:53.000 Did you hear what he said about it?

02:40:55.000 He said, thank you for taking fight.

02:40:57.000 I don't think you'll ever be the same again.

02:40:59.000 Oh.

02:41:01.000 Mufasa.

02:41:01.000 I don't think you'll ever be the same again.

02:41:04.000 Probably not lying.

02:41:06.000 That's a dark thing to say, too.

02:41:07.000 Not just I'm going to win, but you'll never be the same again.

02:41:12.000 That breaks my heart.

02:41:13.000 Dude, we might say that.

02:41:14.000 I hope he's wrong.

02:41:15.000 And you know what I'd do if I was in Max's corner? 0.91

02:41:17.000 And if it's like halfway through that second round, and I'm like, damn, Max looks exhausted because he's not in shape. 0.92

02:41:23.000 He's just taking a beat, and he's so tough. 0.56

02:41:24.000 He's probably going to last five rounds.

02:41:26.000 I throw in that towel. 1.00

02:41:27.000 I'm going to take all the shit from the fans. 0.99

02:41:29.000 I don't want Max dealing with this because this isn't his fight, to be honest. 0.99

02:41:34.000 This isn't his fight.

02:41:35.000 This isn't his path.

02:41:36.000 He's going to make $4 million, hopefully, and he's going to be set for life financially if he's smart with his money.

02:41:40.000 However, this isn't his path.

02:41:42.000 We did this to help out the UFC. He made bank.

02:41:45.000 Here's the towel. 1.00

02:41:46.000 Fuck you. 1.00

02:41:47.000 I know you're going to hate me, Max. 1.00

02:41:48.000 We'll talk in Hawaii over a bowl of ahi tuna.

02:41:51.000 That's not a bad idea.

02:41:52.000 Well, I think with a Khabib fight, one of the things is after the first round, you kind of know how it's going to go.

02:41:59.000 Well, no.

02:42:00.000 But the thing for Max, too, if he had 12 weeks and he's in phenomenal shape and he gets taken down, all kind of Chad Mendes, Conor McGregor, when Conor got taken down, we're like, it's just a matter of time.

02:42:09.000 Wear him out.

02:42:10.000 A matter of time, you're going to catch him.

02:42:11.000 But with this, Khabib's in better shape.

02:42:13.000 He's had more time.

02:42:14.000 He's been preparing for a guy who's insane cardio shape. 0.98

02:42:17.000 So it's just the odds are so fucked for Max. 0.99

02:42:20.000 It's crazy. 0.99

02:42:21.000 Crazy.

02:42:23.000 Really crazy.

02:42:24.000 I'm stressed.

02:42:25.000 I'm so stressed.

02:42:26.000 As I explain it myself, I'm stressed out.

02:42:29.000 Wow, it's going to be interesting.

02:42:31.000 It's going to be interesting, man.

02:42:32.000 It's going to be a good one.

02:42:33.000 So we were talking before, let's wrap this up, but before talking before this, we want to do a fight companion, but there's no fights that we're all around for a fight companion.

02:42:39.000 So let's do a fight companion, get all the boys in here, and put on some fights. 0.99

02:42:45.000 Doing a random night or something like that. 0.99

02:42:46.000 Yeah, a random, like a fucking Tuesday or some shit. 0.99

02:42:49.000 And maybe order some pizzas. 0.99

02:42:51.000 Yeah.

02:42:52.000 I'm eating pizza every now and then.

02:42:53.000 Well, every now and then.

02:42:54.000 Me too.

02:42:54.000 Well, wait.

02:42:55.000 We'll save it for a cheat meal.

02:42:56.000 How about neither one of us cheat till that night?

02:42:58.000 Okay.

02:42:58.000 Deal?

02:42:59.000 It's a deal.

02:42:59.000 Deal.

02:43:00.000 I'll get the pizzas. 1.00

02:43:01.000 Let's wrap this bitch up. 1.00

02:43:02.000 Brendan Schaub, Big Brown Breakdown. 1.00

02:43:05.000 No, Below the Belt.

02:43:06.000 No more.

02:43:07.000 It's just Below the Belt.

02:43:08.000 The podcast is renamed Below the Belt.

02:43:11.000 Oh, really?

02:43:11.000 Yeah.

02:43:12.000 Oh.

02:43:12.000 It's still on my show.

02:43:13.000 You know what I'm saying?

02:43:13.000 It's still on my show.

02:43:14.000 Below the belt.

02:43:15.000 Yeah, next episode.

02:43:16.000 You changed the name of your podcast.

02:43:17.000 Just so it's all in cohesion.

02:43:18.000 To go with your show.

02:43:19.000 Oh, okay.

02:43:19.000 I like it.

02:43:20.000 I like it.

02:43:20.000 Next episode's number four episode next Wednesday night.

02:43:24.000 Tfatk.com.

02:43:25.000 The Fighter and the Kid.

02:43:26.000 The Fighter and the Kid.

02:43:27.000 And then Friday night, Bakersfield.

02:43:29.000 There's 30 tickets left this Friday night at Bakersfield.

02:43:31.000 Where are you at at Bakersfield?

02:43:32.000 Tumberland Brewing or something.

02:43:34.000 Joey Diaz is there.

02:43:35.000 It's a good spot.

02:43:35.000 I love Bakersfield.

02:43:37.000 I'm excited. 0.99

02:43:37.000 It's fucking fun, man. 0.99

02:43:38.000 I had a great time at Bakersfield. 0.99

02:43:39.000 I'm there this Friday night and then April 20th, 21st, Calgary.

02:43:44.000 Yuck yucks.

02:43:44.000 Boom.

02:43:45.000 Beautiful.

02:43:45.000 Houston, June.

02:43:46.000 T-back K. Love you. 1.00

02:43:47.000 Bye, everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience - April 04, 2018

JRE MMA Show #21 with Brendan Schaub

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