The Joe Rogan Experience - April 17, 2018


Joe Rogan Experience #1105 - Michael Hunter

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In this episode, we talk to a man named Michael. He's a chef and owner of a restaurant called Antler in Toronto, Canada. We talk about the protest that went viral when he butcheered a deer leg in front of a group of people who were upset that he was serving meat in front to them. We also talk about how he handled the situation and what he did to get them to stop yelling at him. We also get into how he was able to get the heck out of there without getting into a fight with the protesters and how he dealt with it. We hope you enjoy this episode and it makes you think twice before you go out to eat. If you don't already know who Michael is, then you're in for a treat! This episode is brought to you by Vlogged Off, a food delivery service that specializes in vegan and vegetarian options. They offer a wide range of menu items, including meat, fish, vegetables, and other items that can be consumed on-site. They are located in the heart of the city of Toronto. They are open 24/7, 7 days a week, 7 nights a week. The service is great and the prices start at $10.00 per person! You can get 10% off the entire menu, plus free shipping throughout the rest of the week! v=a&feature=youtu.be and v=AQQQGQQmUoUoQwYVQ&t=3P8 Thank you so much for listening to this episode! We really appreciate all the support, we really appreciate it. We really do appreciate all of your support and your support. We look forward to hearing from you. -Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays! XOXO! -The Crew at Vlogging Crew! Cheers, Caitlyn and Sarah - Caitlyn Caitlyn & Sarah - Michael ( ) Caitlyn ( ) & Sarah ( ) ( ) and Sarah ( ( ) ( . Thanks so much Caitlyn's work and love you, Sarah ( . ) & Sarah's work ( ) ( ). . . . , , Sarah's new book, Sarah's book, Sarah's Book, , and so much more! ( ) , and much more!!

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00:00:01.000 Four, three, two, one.
00:00:05.000 Hello, Michael.
00:00:07.000 Welcome.
00:00:07.000 Thanks, man.
00:00:08.000 Thanks for doing this.
00:00:09.000 Thanks for coming in.
00:00:09.000 100%, man.
00:00:10.000 If people don't know the story, we'll give them the brief synopsis.
00:00:13.000 I found out about your story online because there was this viral thing that was going on about a chef who was getting protested by a bunch of animal rights activists and vegans who decided to camp out in front of your business and tried a restaurant called Antler in Toronto.
00:00:31.000 I don't know what the fuck they were trying to do, but you decided to butcher a leg of deer in front of them, and it became this horrific thing.
00:00:43.000 Like, how could you do that? 0.99
00:00:44.000 In a place that serves meat, how could you prepare the meat right in front of them?
00:00:50.000 How did this all get started?
00:00:52.000 How did it become such a crazy, viral story?
00:00:56.000 And why were they mad at you when there's a million other restaurants around you?
00:01:00.000 Alright, so it started in about December.
00:01:04.000 About.
00:01:05.000 Clue number one.
00:01:07.000 Possibly Canadian. 1.00
00:01:08.000 The crazy Canadian. 1.00
00:01:09.000 Besides being nice. 0.98
00:01:11.000 Well, that's why it went viral, because I wasn't being nice.
00:01:14.000 I wasn't the stereotypical Canadian.
00:01:16.000 Well, you weren't even being mean.
00:01:18.000 You were just doing your job in front of them.
00:01:19.000 Doing my thing.
00:01:20.000 So they started in December, and they really...
00:01:22.000 Try to keep this right in front of your face.
00:01:24.000 They really got pissed off with our...
00:01:26.000 We have a little chalkboard sign out front.
00:01:29.000 I'll give you the...
00:01:30.000 We have a 45-seat restaurant.
00:01:31.000 So we're a small...
00:01:32.000 I have one business partner who's my best friend and family friend.
00:01:36.000 And we had a little chalkboard sign up front that said, Venison is the new kale.
00:01:41.000 And, you know, we get cute with our sign.
00:01:43.000 We tease other restaurants around us.
00:01:44.000 Like, we have fun with the sign.
00:01:46.000 And it's fun.
00:01:47.000 And this cyclist vegan rode by and took huge offense to our sign.
00:01:54.000 And all of a sudden, one day, these protesters just showed up.
00:01:57.000 So...
00:01:58.000 Originally, I was just kind of frustrated because they're totally misguided because we take a lot of pride in where our food comes from.
00:02:07.000 We have vegan and vegetarian dishes on the menu, and I really respect that type of diet.
00:02:13.000 So we were just totally floored with why this was happening.
00:02:18.000 So this started to go on.
00:02:19.000 They started to come every week.
00:02:22.000 They went from like two or three people being kind of peaceful to being like 10, 15 people not so peaceful.
00:02:29.000 So it's when it turned not so peaceful, they were shouting at our guests and shouting in our door and really trying to harm our business that I just kind of got fed up last resort. 0.94
00:02:40.000 We get a whole deer a couple times a month and we butchered ourselves and I just said, screw it, screw it.
00:02:46.000 I'm like, I'm going to get these people to get out of here.
00:02:49.000 So I thought that that would make them go away.
00:02:53.000 How did you think that was going to make them go away and not escalate it?
00:02:56.000 I don't know.
00:02:57.000 It was just totally like last resort, totally fed up.
00:03:01.000 I wanted to defend myself, defend our customers.
00:03:03.000 You could see people walking in visibly upset.
00:03:07.000 They're being shouted at, being screamed at, called a murderer as they're walking in for dinner.
00:03:12.000 You're going on a date, you want to have a nice time, and then people are screaming at you just for eating.
00:03:18.000 So I was just fed up and I just kind of thought, buzz off.
00:03:22.000 And why?
00:03:24.000 So just one sign.
00:03:26.000 Medicine is the new kale.
00:03:28.000 One sign.
00:03:29.000 Set this whole thing off.
00:03:30.000 Yeah.
00:03:32.000 And you're surrounded by restaurants.
00:03:34.000 I mean, I know where you are.
00:03:35.000 So we're surrounded by restaurants.
00:03:37.000 There's an actual butcher shop across the street.
00:03:39.000 And if you go in, there's like whole cattle hanging.
00:03:42.000 That's okay.
00:03:42.000 In their butcher shop.
00:03:43.000 But you're a problem with your comparison to kale.
00:03:46.000 You attack their sacred kale.
00:03:47.000 Yeah.
00:03:48.000 God.
00:03:49.000 We were promoting meat.
00:03:51.000 I don't know.
00:03:52.000 That's what it is?
00:03:53.000 Totally bizarre.
00:03:53.000 Because you were promoting it?
00:03:54.000 We were promoting it.
00:03:55.000 On the sign.
00:03:56.000 Yeah, no idea.
00:03:57.000 So if you just didn't promote anything, and they were allowed to cycle by and dream of broccoli without any interference.
00:04:05.000 Yeah, man.
00:04:05.000 I have no idea.
00:04:06.000 It's totally bizarre.
00:04:07.000 I'm sorry.
00:04:07.000 How many times did they protest you?
00:04:09.000 I think it's about eight now.
00:04:12.000 Eight.
00:04:12.000 They're coming weekly.
00:04:13.000 They still do.
00:04:14.000 They still do.
00:04:14.000 There's one this Friday.
00:04:15.000 Oh, Jesus.
00:04:16.000 So they organized them.
00:04:17.000 They organized them.
00:04:18.000 There's like Facebook groups.
00:04:20.000 They're basically giving us an ultimatum.
00:04:22.000 We have to put their slogan in our window and they'll go away.
00:04:26.000 What?
00:04:27.000 Yeah.
00:04:28.000 What's their slogan? 0.98
00:04:29.000 We are cunts? 0.99
00:04:33.000 I can't remember it word for word, but it's like killing animals is wrong. 0.98
00:04:38.000 They have feelings.
00:04:40.000 Do you have to put that in your window?
00:04:42.000 We're not going to.
00:04:43.000 But that's what they want.
00:04:44.000 That's what they want.
00:04:45.000 That's hilarious.
00:04:46.000 It's like eco-terrorism extortion, whatever you want to call it.
00:04:50.000 Wow.
00:04:50.000 Well, the part of this that drives you the most crazy is the fact that You're surrounded by restaurants.
00:04:59.000 We're surrounded by restaurants.
00:05:00.000 You're surrounded by, like you said, you're across the street from a butcher shop.
00:05:04.000 97% of the people in the world eat meat.
00:05:08.000 It's something crazy like that.
00:05:10.000 I mean, I'm sure everyone hasn't really been polled.
00:05:12.000 I'm sure it's not that accurate.
00:05:14.000 But it's somewhere between 95 and 97%.
00:05:16.000 It's big.
00:05:17.000 It's big.
00:05:17.000 And I think we're an easy target.
00:05:20.000 Our name is Antler.
00:05:22.000 I think they're mad because their thing is that we're promoting ethical farming.
00:05:29.000 And their belief is there is no such thing as ethical farming, that all meat is murder.
00:05:34.000 And if you look at murder in the dictionary, it has to do with humans.
00:05:38.000 It has nothing to do with animals.
00:05:41.000 There is such a thing as ethical farming and sustainable farming, and we work really hard to make sure that where we get our meat from is from the best possible place we can, and it's local, so it's supporting our local farmers that are within hours of our restaurant.
00:05:56.000 Now, when you say that they started out nice, how many people were there in the beginning?
00:06:01.000 Two, three, four.
00:06:03.000 And they had signs?
00:06:04.000 They had signs, and they were just kind of promoting their message, but they weren't really yelling and screaming.
00:06:10.000 What escalated it?
00:06:12.000 So we would call the police.
00:06:13.000 We kind of got wind of it on their Facebook groups.
00:06:16.000 So we would call the police and have the police there to make sure everyone's safe because one thing, like, customers are scared.
00:06:21.000 Our staff are scared.
00:06:22.000 Like, no one's dealt with this before.
00:06:24.000 I've never dealt with this before.
00:06:25.000 Um...
00:06:27.000 So we would have the police there.
00:06:29.000 The police were amazing.
00:06:32.000 And then one time we kind of thought, okay, let's not call the police.
00:06:35.000 Let's see what happens.
00:06:36.000 Maybe they'll just go away.
00:06:37.000 And so then a megaphone came out.
00:06:41.000 Our neighbors were coming down and getting in fights with them.
00:06:44.000 And it was ugly.
00:06:45.000 So we called the police to come and keep the peace.
00:06:49.000 A megaphone.
00:06:52.000 Part of the problem with these kind of things is it becomes a contest.
00:06:55.000 It becomes a battle, you know, trying to see who's going to win.
00:06:59.000 And they're absolutely on a team.
00:07:02.000 I mean, that's one of the things that happens with veganism.
00:07:06.000 And I think it happens with hunters, too.
00:07:09.000 People become very tribal.
00:07:11.000 And it's us versus them. 0.83
00:07:13.000 They want to win and then it becomes this thing where you know look the reality is a Lot of people are idiots and they don't have a lot going on in their life And so when something comes up where it becomes a primary focus of their life one restaurant as illogical as it might be That becomes the battleground and it's an ideological battleground for you know don't eat meat ever Versus sustainable farming. 0.98
00:07:41.000 Look, I'm sure... 0.99
00:07:43.000 I know you're a hunter.
00:07:44.000 I'm sure you feel a certain amount of remorse when an animal dies.
00:07:49.000 100%.
00:07:50.000 And that's a big part of sort of my beliefs and my philosophy and why I'm working on this cookbook right now is because I think that if you do eat meat, you should be able to kill an animal and experience that.
00:08:02.000 And I think that if people were to actually kill an animal...
00:08:06.000 They would see, you know, what goes into that.
00:08:08.000 And I don't think people would consume as much meat and I don't think people would definitely, you know, they certainly wouldn't waste as much meat as they do.
00:08:15.000 And it's just really upsetting and I think it's totally misguided, you know, why we were targeted.
00:08:22.000 Well, I mean, like I said, I think it just becomes a game.
00:08:25.000 It becomes the big tribal game.
00:08:28.000 You know, there's a real argument, a real argument that I support against factory farming.
00:08:34.000 And factory farming is the way most people are getting their meat, in terms of like...
00:08:41.000 In terms of like cheeseburgers and fast food and stuff along those lines, I mean, you're not getting it from the most ethical sources.
00:08:46.000 It's just, it's not financially sustainable to do it that way.
00:08:51.000 Everything would cost more money.
00:08:53.000 And that's a real problem that we, as a society, it's not obviously not you or I that has set up this system, but that this system is a system that we find ourselves a part of.
00:09:04.000 It's a real problem.
00:09:05.000 I've removed myself from it for the most part.
00:09:08.000 But occasionally I'm on the road and I'm hungry and I'll eat some meat that's just whatever.
00:09:14.000 Totally.
00:09:14.000 It's a necessary evil.
00:09:17.000 Sort of.
00:09:17.000 Sort of.
00:09:18.000 It's not really necessary.
00:09:18.000 It's not really necessary at all.
00:09:20.000 Maybe that's the wrong way to describe it.
00:09:21.000 But it's how the system's been set up and it's actually why I started hunting and doing what I do because I watch these documentaries like Food Inc.
00:09:29.000 These things that kind of shone a light on the system and how this stuff is actually being produced.
00:09:35.000 And it's horrible.
00:09:35.000 It's terrifying.
00:09:37.000 It really is.
00:09:37.000 I think that's the real number one problem.
00:09:39.000 And this vegan activist message to go after these types of farming, we support as well.
00:09:47.000 We agree with.
00:09:48.000 So the fact that we were targeted for this was really, really frustrating.
00:09:52.000 Yeah, I think vegans, I understand where they're coming from, but I don't think that they have seen the big picture.
00:10:01.000 And the big picture is there's some animals that need to be harvested.
00:10:05.000 They're not sustainable.
00:10:07.000 Wild pigs is the best example. 0.98
00:10:09.000 There is no way you are going to stop wild pigs without killing them. 0.99
00:10:12.000 No. 0.99
00:10:13.000 There's no way.
00:10:13.000 You're not going to give them birth control.
00:10:15.000 You're not going to, unless you're going to let loose fucking packs of wolves, and I mean packs, to deal with what's going on in Texas. 0.99
00:10:26.000 I mean, they're forced to shoot them out of helicopters. 1.00
00:10:29.000 That's crazy.
00:10:29.000 They hire people to come in with helicopters and shoot them from the sky.
00:10:33.000 It's that bad.
00:10:34.000 And this is farmers.
00:10:35.000 There's companies called hella hunting.
00:10:38.000 That's crazy. 1.00
00:10:39.000 They have it on the side, like they have a wild boar and a fucking helicopter blade on their logo. 1.00
00:10:43.000 It's crazy. 0.99
00:10:44.000 They have to do it.
00:10:46.000 Yeah, no, and I don't have a lot of experience with that because where I am, we don't have that wild boar problem, but I hunt with these guys from Mossy Oak, and I've gone down there and done one of these.
00:10:57.000 Pig hunts and they've shown me their fields and like one third of their cornfield is just destroyed.
00:11:02.000 Destroyed.
00:11:03.000 And they have to hunt them at night or they hunt them with dogs and it's a huge problem for farmers trying to make a living.
00:11:10.000 It is a huge problem and vegans themselves need to understand that's your food supply.
00:11:15.000 Totally.
00:11:15.000 You're not growing your own food mostly.
00:11:17.000 Most people listening to this that are vegan are not growing their own food.
00:11:20.000 You're getting your own food from a farm.
00:11:21.000 That farm is being attacked by pigs.
00:11:23.000 That's only one animal.
00:11:25.000 Another one is deer.
00:11:26.000 I mean, there's a shitload of deer in North America.
00:11:29.000 What's interesting is California has a very weird way of handling it, and I kind of get it in some ways.
00:11:35.000 The weird way that we handle it in California is we don't hunt mountain lions.
00:11:38.000 Okay.
00:11:39.000 There's no mountain lion hunting.
00:11:40.000 There's very few deer.
00:11:42.000 I mean, I see deer in my neighborhood.
00:11:44.000 I live in a fairly rural area.
00:11:46.000 Yeah.
00:11:47.000 I see deer, you know, a couple times a week, but it's nothing like if you go to the East Coast.
00:11:53.000 Have you ever been in the East Coast of California or of the United States, like New York State, that kind of area?
00:11:59.000 New York City, yeah, I've been to the East Coast now. 0.99
00:12:02.000 The state, if you go upstate, like New York State, there's so many fucking deer up there. 0.96
00:12:07.000 It's one of the reasons why Lyme disease is so horrible up there. 0.98
00:12:10.000 It comes from the ticks that were on the deer.
00:12:12.000 And people get these terrible, terrible cases of Lyme disease. 0.98
00:12:16.000 And it's fucking everywhere up there, man. 0.86
00:12:19.000 I have several friends that have really bad Lyme disease. 0.99
00:12:22.000 Go to Jim Miller's Instagram.
00:12:26.000 Jim Miller is a fighter in the UFC, a high-level fighter, who's been competing at the highest level for a long time.
00:12:36.000 And he has serious Lyme disease to the point where it's like debilitated.
00:12:40.000 It's scary.
00:12:41.000 He has to take a fat bag of pills and he held up his pills the other day.
00:12:46.000 What he takes while he's in training camp.
00:12:50.000 That's insane.
00:12:51.000 19 days of medication and supplements. 0.99
00:12:53.000 He said, fuckly me. 0.99
00:12:56.000 31 capsules a day. 0.99
00:12:58.000 You do the math.
00:13:00.000 Remember the carrier to seven.
00:13:01.000 And it just says Lyme disease is one of the hashtags.
00:13:05.000 Yeah, he's got it really bad.
00:13:07.000 And I mean, what's crazy is the guy could not be healthier, works out constantly, eats right.
00:13:13.000 He's not boozing. 0.99
00:13:15.000 His body's just falling apart because of fucking Lyme disease. 1.00
00:13:17.000 And it's being carried by these deer. 0.99
00:13:21.000 Overpopulation of wild animals is handled in one of two ways.
00:13:26.000 Either you introduce predators or you manage them with hunting.
00:13:30.000 There's a place in Maui Maui has no predators, but they also have a bunch of wild game that was brought in for King Kamehameha.
00:13:44.000 I think it was in the 1800s they brought it in.
00:13:47.000 I'm not sure when, but there's tons of Axis deer on Maui and on Lanai and on Molokai, a couple of different islands.
00:13:56.000 And one of the things they've started doing is they were trying to figure out how to eradicate them from this area.
00:14:02.000 So a bunch of hunters got together and they're hunting these Axis deer and then giving the meat to poor people, like making it free for them. 0.98
00:14:10.000 And it's a really cool program, but that's another...
00:14:15.000 Sort of situation where you kind of have to hunt.
00:14:19.000 Unless you're just going to poison them or you're going to somehow or another capture them all and neuter and spay a certain amount of them every month, there's really no other way to handle it.
00:14:31.000 Yeah, and I think that's a big misconception.
00:14:33.000 Like, people that don't educate themselves about hunting, they're just like, hunting is bad, killing animals is bad, and they get on this bandwagon, but they don't have enough information about it.
00:14:41.000 Yeah.
00:14:42.000 And I think people confuse trophy hunting, you know, with like, they see Cecil the lion, and everyone goes after, okay, it's hunting is the problem, but...
00:14:49.000 You know, trophy hunting is the problem, but hunters that hunt for food and that hunt to, you know, help the sort of environmental impacts that they're having.
00:14:59.000 Like snow geese.
00:15:01.000 I don't know if you know much about snow geese.
00:15:02.000 Oh, I do.
00:15:02.000 I read that article that you retweeted, actually.
00:15:04.000 Yeah, like a Nat Geo article that I posted.
00:15:07.000 You know, these birds fly in flocks of like 20,000, 30,000 birds and they land in a farmer's field and they eat everything.
00:15:14.000 Everything.
00:15:14.000 And they destroy it.
00:15:15.000 And, you know, like 10, 15 years ago, these populations of birds, they weren't...
00:15:19.000 Like they are now.
00:15:21.000 Well, large-scale agriculture is also responsible for the boom in the population of deer. 0.85
00:15:27.000 Deer in America, particularly in the Midwest, where all the farms are, what is it, a fucking coincidence that there's all the deer where all the farms are? 0.90
00:15:36.000 No, it's not. 0.94
00:15:37.000 My good friend Doug Duren, he has a big-ass farm in Wisconsin, beautiful place, in the Driftless area.
00:15:44.000 Do you know what that is?
00:15:45.000 No.
00:15:45.000 It's where the glaciers didn't pass through, so it's not flat.
00:15:49.000 There's all these hills, and it's very beautiful, and lakes.
00:15:52.000 It's a phenomenal place.
00:15:53.000 But essentially, he's got the deer that he hunts, and that he and his friends hunt on his property, they're farm animals.
00:16:03.000 They're eating corn.
00:16:04.000 They're just eating grains.
00:16:05.000 I mean, he grows corn.
00:16:07.000 He's a farmer.
00:16:08.000 So he grows all this corn.
00:16:09.000 The deer are eating all this corn. 0.99
00:16:11.000 And they are fucking delicious, man. 0.99
00:16:13.000 They're huge. 0.99
00:16:14.000 They're so huge.
00:16:15.000 And they're so good.
00:16:16.000 But there's a reality to population control.
00:16:21.000 Now, in Wisconsin, they get it.
00:16:23.000 Because they're around them every day.
00:16:25.000 They're hitting them with their cars.
00:16:26.000 They see them everywhere they look.
00:16:28.000 This is not like... 0.59
00:16:31.000 The idealistic view of someone who lives in a city street in Toronto and is driving around on their bike looking for signs that are criticizing kale or whatever the fuck they're doing, they're not in the real natural world that these animals exist in. 0.84
00:16:45.000 100%. 0.98
00:16:45.000 They don't get it. 0.98
00:16:46.000 They don't understand.
00:16:47.000 They live in their bubble and...
00:16:50.000 Another thing they don't understand is that hunters actually, you know, we have to buy tags.
00:16:53.000 We have to buy our licenses.
00:16:54.000 There are rules and laws that we have to follow.
00:16:56.000 And those fees actually pay for the wildlife conservation.
00:17:00.000 And I'm pretty sure it's the same in the States as well, from at least talking to my friends.
00:17:04.000 It is.
00:17:06.000 It's 11% of all the proceeds from hunting gear go to wildlife conservation, and that turns out to be billions and billions of dollars.
00:17:16.000 It's far more than any other conservation group, far more than any wildlife conservation group or animal activist group.
00:17:25.000 No one contributes more to conservation than hunting.
00:17:28.000 No one.
00:17:29.000 Because we want it.
00:17:29.000 We want it to be there for our kids and their kids.
00:17:32.000 It's nature.
00:17:33.000 It's how the world is supposed to be.
00:17:34.000 It's also this contradictory thing that seems like it doesn't make sense, but we love the wildlife.
00:17:40.000 We love the animals.
00:17:41.000 Just because you eat them doesn't mean you don't love them.
00:17:44.000 But you recognize them as This is a weird way to look at it, but it is a renewable resource.
00:17:49.000 And it is also a magical, beautiful thing.
00:17:52.000 Just because of that doesn't mean you shouldn't eat it.
00:17:55.000 I mean, this disconnect that people have with the wild, I think, is a real part of it, a real part of the problem.
00:18:03.000 Good luck finding a vegan in Alaska.
00:18:06.000 There's not a whole lot of them that live out in the bush that are vegans.
00:18:09.000 They're eating salmon.
00:18:11.000 You can bring in vegetables.
00:18:14.000 I'm sure there are some. 1.00
00:18:15.000 I'm just talking shit. 0.99
00:18:16.000 But the reality is if you're embedded in that world, you understand it and you appreciate it. 0.99
00:18:22.000 It's very humbling.
00:18:24.000 Killing an animal is very humbling. 0.99
00:18:26.000 To someone who's an animal lover, that sounds fucking crazy. 1.00
00:18:29.000 It's hard. 0.99
00:18:30.000 It's also really hard. 0.96
00:18:31.000 Like, when I see a deer come out, I hunt with a bow, a crossbow, and I see a deer come out, I'm trembling, the hair on my back is standing up, they're these beautiful, majestic creatures, and I'm gonna kill it.
00:18:43.000 And it's really, really difficult, and I don't think that people understand that, that don't hunt and that haven't killed an animal, they don't understand the respect and the amount of effort that goes into that.
00:18:55.000 No, they definitely don't.
00:18:56.000 But they don't care.
00:18:57.000 I mean, they have an idea.
00:18:59.000 And the idea is animals should not die.
00:19:01.000 But they're going to die.
00:19:03.000 They're going to die of old age.
00:19:04.000 They're going to die of starvation.
00:19:05.000 They're going to freeze to death.
00:19:06.000 They're going to be eaten alive. 0.99
00:19:07.000 They're going to be eaten alive.
00:19:08.000 And people think that animals, they die peacefully in the wild.
00:19:11.000 It's absolutely incorrect.
00:19:14.000 Google anything.
00:19:16.000 About how animals die in the wild.
00:19:17.000 And they're being eaten alive.
00:19:18.000 Like deer are being taken down and eaten alive by wolves or coyotes or whatever it is.
00:19:22.000 Bears.
00:19:23.000 Bears.
00:19:23.000 And it's horrific.
00:19:24.000 And to be shot with an arrow, to be shot with a bullet, it's a way more humane way to go, in my opinion.
00:19:31.000 Oh, it's unquestionably a more humane way to go. 0.71
00:19:34.000 I mean, it's one of the reasons why I hunt.
00:19:37.000 And I practice so much.
00:19:39.000 I practice every day.
00:19:40.000 One of the reasons why we got this building is so I could put a 45-yard indoor archery range.
00:19:44.000 You have to practice. 0.99
00:19:46.000 Well, we can shoot afterwards, but we have to fucking practice. 0.99
00:19:49.000 You have to be able to make an ethical shot. 0.99
00:19:53.000 But now, when I sit down and I cook something for my family, I know where that came from.
00:19:59.000 If we have vegetables that we grew in our garden, there's a great satisfaction for serving up some cucumbers or some kale or whatever it is that we grew in our garden.
00:20:07.000 It tastes better.
00:20:08.000 When you go out there and you cut that cucumber off the plant and you cut that kale down, it is like half an hour old.
00:20:15.000 Nothing compares to that freshness that you go to the grocery store that may be a couple days, a week, a month old.
00:20:20.000 You have no idea.
00:20:21.000 And for me as a chef, that's why I love hunting and foraging and having a garden in my backyard because when you go and pick something, nothing tastes as good as that.
00:20:31.000 Right.
00:20:32.000 Yeah.
00:20:33.000 I mean, I appreciate where vegans and animal rights activists are coming from.
00:20:38.000 Because it's coming from, I think, there's a lot of distortion with, like, really angry ones.
00:20:44.000 But this is my take on a lot of this.
00:20:47.000 You get a group of 100 people. 1.00
00:20:49.000 One of them, for sure, is a fucking idiot. 1.00
00:20:51.000 Just out of just sheer odds, right? 1.00
00:20:54.000 Like, what are the odds one of them is a fucking idiot? 1.00
00:20:56.000 It's pretty strong, right? 1.00
00:20:58.000 Well, if you're gonna get a group of a hundred vegans, you're gonna get at least one of them that's a fucking idiot. 1.00
00:21:02.000 And they're gonna be, some of them are violent, Some of them are super aggressive about it. 1.00
00:21:07.000 I mean, there's a ton of them online that you can go.
00:21:09.000 Their identity is completely wrapped around veganism.
00:21:12.000 They use vegan in their name.
00:21:13.000 It's always, I'm the vegan this or the vegan that.
00:21:16.000 That is 100% of their name.
00:21:18.000 100% of their identity.
00:21:20.000 So they can't separate from it, ever.
00:21:23.000 Like, that is who they are forever.
00:21:24.000 And there's been some serious problems.
00:21:27.000 What was the name of that cafe again?
00:21:30.000 Cafe Gratitude?
00:21:32.000 There were some people that were running a vegan restaurant.
00:21:35.000 I think they have a couple of them, right?
00:21:37.000 In LA. And they were having health issues.
00:21:40.000 And some people, the vegan diet just doesn't agree with them.
00:21:44.000 Maybe they were doing it wrong.
00:21:45.000 Maybe they...
00:21:47.000 You have unique dietary needs, but they started raising cattle, and they started eating those cattle. 1.00
00:21:52.000 And the fucking vegans freaked out. 1.00
00:21:54.000 Death threats, all this crazy shit, coming after them, protesting. 1.00
00:21:58.000 And, you know, these people were terrified. 0.99
00:22:00.000 They're older folks.
00:22:01.000 They're, you know, they're elderly.
00:22:02.000 There it is.
00:22:03.000 Vegan restaurant owners received death threats over animal slaughter scandal.
00:22:08.000 Yeah.
00:22:09.000 I mean, this is the bad ones, right?
00:22:12.000 And it's not most of them.
00:22:13.000 Most vegans, I think, are vegans for all the right reasons, even if they're misinformed.
00:22:18.000 If you choose to not eat meat and choose that kind of lifestyle, power to you.
00:22:23.000 Power to you.
00:22:24.000 It's amazing.
00:22:24.000 And I think that if it works for you and your body, that's great.
00:22:29.000 And for me, it doesn't work for me.
00:22:32.000 I've done vegan cleanses.
00:22:34.000 I've done the juice cleanses.
00:22:35.000 I've gone out as a chef to vegan restaurants and I'm not full.
00:22:41.000 I'll eat three or four courses.
00:22:43.000 I'll spend tons of money and half an hour later, I'm starving.
00:22:47.000 I need to eat something with protein and lots of protein.
00:22:52.000 It's meat or fish.
00:22:55.000 I've made tofu from scratch from soybeans and it's not the same.
00:23:00.000 Yeah, well, right now people are screaming at their...
00:23:02.000 You're doing it wrong!
00:23:04.000 My vegan food is amazing!
00:23:06.000 I love it.
00:23:07.000 It's tasty.
00:23:07.000 It's the most delicious!
00:23:08.000 But I'm not full.
00:23:09.000 Some of it is.
00:23:10.000 Some of it's good.
00:23:11.000 I mean, I eat vegan all the time.
00:23:13.000 There's a vegan restaurant near me.
00:23:14.000 I go to it all the time.
00:23:15.000 Sometimes I get dirty looks. 1.00
00:23:17.000 People are like, oh, this motherfucker's here. 1.00
00:23:19.000 Why are you here? 1.00
00:23:19.000 Why are you here? 1.00
00:23:20.000 You're not allowed to eat.
00:23:21.000 You're not one of us.
00:23:22.000 You're not allowed to eat our food.
00:23:24.000 It's just...
00:23:26.000 It's very unfortunate that I think these ideological groups get tainted by the most extreme members.
00:23:34.000 And I think that's true on the hunting side, too. 0.94
00:23:36.000 And you got guys like fucking Ted Nugent, you know, and all the people that I think that they distort the real sort of Fascinating and mystical qualities of wildlife and harvesting wildlife and being out there and experiencing nature. 0.97
00:23:55.000 It's an almost psychedelic experience to hunt and be in the wild. 0.99
00:24:01.000 That sounds so counterintuitive to someone who's never experienced it.
00:24:05.000 The world of these animals, when you're away from your cell phone, when you're away from television and all the bullshit and the computer, when you're out there in the wild, you are almost in another dimension.
00:24:17.000 If you're in complete silence, in the forest, in your mind...
00:24:23.000 Goes into a completely different sort of mode that is familiar, but yet alien.
00:24:31.000 It's familiar in a way that your body's like, oh, this is hunting.
00:24:35.000 This is what humans have done for hundreds of thousands of years.
00:24:39.000 This is why we became human.
00:24:41.000 I mean, this is literally one of the reasons that scientists believe that our brains grew.
00:24:45.000 It's because we started eating meat, we started cooking meat, the nutrition became more accessible, and also we started thinking about how to hunt, developing tools to hunt with.
00:24:55.000 I mean, all of this is the reason why humans are humans today.
00:24:58.000 And I'm sure the vegan argument against that would be, well, that's then, and we're past that now.
00:25:02.000 Well, we're not.
00:25:03.000 No, we're not.
00:25:04.000 We're not because of controlling the population of animals.
00:25:07.000 We're certainly not because of controlling the population of predators.
00:25:10.000 And that's another thing that people need to accept and understand.
00:25:13.000 There's a reason why they eradicated all the wolves in North America before they reintroduced them to Yellowstone, and now they're thriving in many parts of the Northwest. 0.99
00:25:20.000 It's because they were fucking killing everything. 0.99
00:25:22.000 And they don't have any predators, and the only predators that they have are humans. 0.99
00:25:26.000 And if we don't keep the populations in check of them, and of grizzly bears, of black bears, and all the other predators, they start eating each other, they start tearing each other apart, they start coming after us, they start encroaching on people.
00:25:38.000 Well, we're in their territory.
00:25:40.000 We shouldn't be in their place. 0.99
00:25:42.000 Look, I'm on team people, so I don't know what the fuck you're saying here. 1.00
00:25:45.000 If you're saying that we should move out of San Francisco and give it to the wolves, you can go fuck yourself. 1.00
00:25:49.000 And this is literally what it boils down to. 1.00
00:25:52.000 Because you have to draw some line in the sand somewhere.
00:25:55.000 Because if someone doesn't control the population of animals...
00:25:59.000 Then what's going to happen?
00:26:00.000 Well, you can leave them to their own devices and they can sort of sort it out.
00:26:05.000 But you know how they sort it out through disease and starvation?
00:26:08.000 I mean, what happens is there's too many animals and not enough food, so they get horrific diseases.
00:26:14.000 That's where mange comes from.
00:26:16.000 That's where a lot of serious diseases that infect wildlife come from.
00:26:21.000 They come from a lack of food or overpopulation.
00:26:24.000 That's how nature sorts it out.
00:26:26.000 You know, and that's how nature sorts it out with people, too.
00:26:28.000 We're just sneaky. 0.99
00:26:28.000 We've used vaccines and shit. 0.99
00:26:30.000 We're at the top of the food chain. 1.00
00:26:31.000 Yeah.
00:26:31.000 Well, we are.
00:26:32.000 We've worked hard to get there.
00:26:33.000 We are.
00:26:34.000 And I think it comes with a certain responsibility, and that responsibility is really...
00:26:39.000 We're really doing a disservice to that responsibility with factory farming.
00:26:43.000 And that's one of the main arguments for veganism.
00:26:46.000 One of the main arguments is the horrific treatment of those animals.
00:26:50.000 Whether it's veganism, or whether it's rather factory farming, or whether it's...
00:26:56.000 Large-scale dairy farms where they mistreat their cows, or the chicken farms, or all these different factory farms where they treat these animals not as a living being but as a commodity.
00:27:07.000 Then it becomes a giant problem.
00:27:08.000 But if you look at guys like, do you know who Joel Salton is?
00:27:11.000 No.
00:27:12.000 Joel Salatin is a very fascinating guy.
00:27:14.000 He runs a farm called Polyface Farms, and what he has essentially done is made large-scale animal agriculture possible in a humane and very natural way.
00:27:27.000 He has enormous electric fences that he uses for his pigs.
00:27:32.000 And he just moves them around.
00:27:34.000 Moves the fences around.
00:27:35.000 So the pigs wander around.
00:27:37.000 He has a huge rolling chicken coop. 0.99
00:27:39.000 I mean, it's fucking huge. 0.98
00:27:41.000 And he pushes that thing around. 0.98
00:27:43.000 He moves it to a new space.
00:27:44.000 The chickens go out.
00:27:45.000 They wander around.
00:27:46.000 They do their chicken thing and they go right back into the chicken house.
00:27:49.000 And this is where he gets the eggs from.
00:27:51.000 This is how they raise chickens. 0.99
00:27:52.000 This is how they raise cattle. 0.90
00:27:54.000 They do it with all these different animals.
00:27:56.000 And his perspective on all this is that If you do it right, it's not horrific.
00:28:03.000 It's not an evil thing.
00:28:05.000 And that these animals are living the way they're meant to live.
00:28:09.000 Right.
00:28:10.000 That's one of the things that we do at Antler is to find those farmers and guys like that.
00:28:15.000 One of the farms we get our deer from, they have a thousand acres.
00:28:18.000 The deer roam as they please.
00:28:20.000 They're eating nuts and apples and acorns and grass and everything they're supposed to eat.
00:28:25.000 And then when it's time...
00:28:27.000 They're collected and harvested.
00:28:28.000 And that is where we get our meat from.
00:28:30.000 And we try really hard not to buy from these factories.
00:28:34.000 We don't serve chicken, beef, or pork.
00:28:36.000 We have bison, pheasant, duck, wild boar, because these game farms, they don't have these massive, large-scale operations.
00:28:45.000 And I buy direct from the farmer, and they can tell me what their diet is, their good months, their bad months.
00:28:51.000 We know all about these animals that we're bringing to the restaurant.
00:28:55.000 And we're really proud of that.
00:28:57.000 I have an issue with people that keep saying wild boar.
00:29:01.000 Why do they say wild boar when it's wild pig?
00:29:04.000 The boar is a male.
00:29:05.000 It actually is a different breed.
00:29:07.000 So the pigs that are in these factory farms or even regular pigs, there's many different breeds and a lot of them are hybrid.
00:29:15.000 hybrid breeds the the wild boar breed has long black hair and tusks that actually come out so I can buy whole pigs and they don't have those tusks and when I buy the wild boar breed the meat is darker the the hair is black but we're getting them you know there's no hair by the time we get them and they've got the tusks in the jaw right but my point is that a boar is a male right you're definitely eating females too that's true Yeah,
00:29:40.000 so why do they call it a wild boar?
00:29:42.000 Because it's a sow.
00:29:43.000 Yeah, it's just a breed.
00:29:44.000 Yeah, but do you know that they're all the same breed? 1.00
00:29:46.000 I did not know that.
00:29:48.000 They're all sous scroffa, I guess the genus, is that what you say?
00:29:54.000 They're all sort of interchangeable.
00:29:56.000 They all breed with each other.
00:29:57.000 I do know there's tons of different varieties, like there's the Berkshire, there's Tamworth, there's all these different kinds of breeds of hogs.
00:30:03.000 Sure, there's variations.
00:30:04.000 Yeah.
00:30:04.000 But they're all the same animal.
00:30:06.000 What's crazy about wild pigs is if you took a domestic pig, you know, like Babe, release Babe out into the forest, they morph in a very short amount of time.
00:30:17.000 Their snout extends, their hair becomes darker and thicker, their tusks lengthen.
00:30:22.000 It's very weird.
00:30:23.000 They're a weird animal. 0.65
00:30:25.000 Pigs are a weird animal.
00:30:26.000 They're a weird animal.
00:30:28.000 When they're domestic, they're sweethearts. 1.00
00:30:30.000 Unless you fall in their cage when they're hungry and they fucking eat you, which is really crazy. 0.99
00:30:35.000 It's one of the main ways that farmers die. 1.00
00:30:37.000 Fall into cages and get eaten by pigs.
00:30:40.000 That's gruesome.
00:30:40.000 Happens all the time.
00:30:41.000 It does.
00:30:42.000 It happens every year. 1.00
00:30:43.000 A guy will fuck up and fall into a pig pen and the pigs just fuck him up. 1.00
00:30:47.000 That's crazy. 1.00
00:30:48.000 Yeah, especially if you're dealing with those really enormous pigs. 1.00
00:30:53.000 I mean, those pigs need a lot of food, and they're fucking big. 1.00
00:30:56.000 And once they start chewing you, that's your ass. 1.00
00:30:59.000 They just decide. 1.00
00:31:01.000 Have you been pig hunting?
00:31:03.000 Yeah.
00:31:03.000 Yeah, I've been pig hunting.
00:31:05.000 I've shot a couple pigs.
00:31:06.000 The meat is definitely different.
00:31:08.000 It's a lot darker.
00:31:09.000 It's a lot darker.
00:31:09.000 Yeah.
00:31:10.000 It's delicious, though.
00:31:11.000 And where I do it, what's really interesting is in California, a lot of the pigs were introduced by William Randolph Hearst. 0.99
00:31:20.000 That crazy asshole that ran, you know, from the movie Citizen Kane, the Orson Welles depiction of him. 0.99
00:31:26.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:31:26.000 This crazy guy that ran Hearst Publications in the 1930s. 1.00
00:31:29.000 He's literally one of the reasons why marijuana is illegal.
00:31:32.000 Right.
00:31:33.000 William Randolph Hearst decided that when there was a cover of, I believe it was Popular Science Magazine that said, And they had invented a machine called a decorticator.
00:31:46.000 And what a decorticator does is it effectively processes hemp fiber much more efficiently.
00:31:51.000 And for the longest time, they used slaves to process hemp fiber.
00:31:55.000 But then Eli Whitney came around with the cotton gin, and they switched from hemp clothing to cotton.
00:32:01.000 Cotton is easier to produce with the cotton gin, but it's just an inferior cloth.
00:32:06.000 Hemp makes better paper.
00:32:08.000 Hemp makes cloth.
00:32:10.000 You can make houses with it.
00:32:11.000 Henry Ford made the first fenders for the first Model T out of hemp.
00:32:15.000 I mean, hemp's a crazy thing.
00:32:17.000 William Randolph Hearst read this article, saw what was coming, and realized that he was going to have to transition all of his paper mills, and he owned forests that they would cut down the trees and make paper with.
00:32:28.000 They would have to transition those to hemp if people were demanding hemp. 0.99
00:32:33.000 He undercut the entire industry by saying that there was a new drug that blacks and Mexicans were smoking and they were raping white women. 0.98
00:32:41.000 And he called this drug marijuana, which was really just the name of a Mexican slang for wild tobacco. 0.98
00:32:48.000 So we start printing these stories.
00:32:50.000 Congress made it illegal.
00:32:51.000 A lot of people that were voting on it didn't even know that they were making cannabis or like hemp, the textile and the commodity, hemp.
00:33:01.000 They didn't know they were making it illegal. 0.99
00:33:02.000 They thought they were stopping a drug scourge that was forcing blacks and Mexicans to rape white women. 1.00
00:33:07.000 It was all William Randolph Hearst, this one crazy asshole with Harry Anslinger in the fucking 1930s. 1.00
00:33:13.000 That's when it became illegal. 1.00
00:33:14.000 Well, this same crazy asshole let a bunch of wild pigs loose on his property so he can hunt them because he was a gentleman hunter. 1.00
00:33:22.000 So the pigs that I hunt in California when I go pig hunting probably are direct descendants from the pigs that were let loose by this asshole. 1.00
00:33:31.000 I think what a lot of people don't understand is how fast they breed. 0.99
00:33:36.000 My friends in Mississippi were telling me a pig can lay a litter three times a year, four times a year, up to 10, 12 piglets per litter, and they have no natural predators.
00:33:45.000 So what are these farmers going to do when they start decimating their crops?
00:33:49.000 Yeah, they're not a native North American species.
00:33:51.000 No.
00:33:52.000 Yeah, and it's one of the most destructive and vicious species. 0.99
00:33:57.000 And if you've never seen them before, you see them on TV, they look, you know, oh, it's a pig. 0.98
00:34:02.000 Pigs are cute. 0.98
00:34:03.000 I've seen, my friend has a pot belly pit.
00:34:05.000 I pet it.
00:34:06.000 That's great. 1.00
00:34:07.000 What they are as adults, when they're wild boars covered in mud and disease, they're fucking a mammal plague. 1.00
00:34:15.000 They're vicious. 1.00
00:34:15.000 And they go through everything. 1.00
00:34:18.000 They will spread across the country.
00:34:20.000 They'll destroy your garden.
00:34:22.000 They'll eat your dog. 1.00
00:34:23.000 I mean, no bullshit. 1.00
00:34:24.000 They're fucking dangerous. 1.00
00:34:25.000 It's a crazy animal. 1.00
00:34:26.000 A lot of farmers actually ask me if I'll come hunt on their property.
00:34:29.000 A lot of vineyards will ask me to come in and they have a problem with the turkeys.
00:34:32.000 The turkeys are eating all their grapes.
00:34:35.000 Stuff like that.
00:34:36.000 A lot of regular people that live in the city, they don't understand.
00:34:41.000 Yeah, the turkey populations in some places are exploding too because they've realized, oh, let's just go to the suburbs.
00:34:45.000 No one even hunts us.
00:34:46.000 There was one running down the street in Toronto last week.
00:34:49.000 A turkey?
00:34:49.000 A turkey.
00:34:50.000 People were filming it and sending me the videos.
00:34:52.000 Wow.
00:34:52.000 They're delicious too.
00:34:54.000 Yeah.
00:34:54.000 That's actually the first bird I hunted.
00:34:56.000 I didn't actually start hunting until I was in my 20s.
00:34:59.000 And I had grown up cooking.
00:35:01.000 I was interested in becoming a chef.
00:35:05.000 I think?
00:35:24.000 And the meat is dark.
00:35:26.000 Like the chicken leg meat is like the breast.
00:35:28.000 Like it's dark.
00:35:29.000 And I just thought like, wow, like this is incredible.
00:35:31.000 And then when I tasted it, I just couldn't believe that this is what turkey was supposed to taste like.
00:35:37.000 Yeah, it's a robust flavor.
00:35:38.000 And you grow up, you know, at least I grew up, you know, Christmas, Thanksgiving, these important holidays, eating turkey.
00:35:44.000 And you see it and it's this big white blob and it's humongous.
00:35:46.000 And then, you know, the wild bird, it's leaner.
00:35:48.000 It's not like super round.
00:35:50.000 It's lean.
00:35:50.000 It's how it's supposed to be.
00:35:52.000 And then for me, that was like the light bulb moment.
00:35:54.000 That this is what we're supposed to be eating. 1.00
00:35:56.000 We're not supposed to be eating that shit. 1.00
00:35:58.000 Yeah, that shit, that really white meat turkey. 1.00
00:36:01.000 Look at him. 1.00
00:36:02.000 There's the turkey in Toronto.
00:36:03.000 Turkey in Toronto.
00:36:04.000 Running down the street.
00:36:05.000 I'm so thankful to be here because it's still snowing.
00:36:08.000 Is it really?
00:36:09.000 It's still snowing.
00:36:09.000 And I love winter and snowboarding and going out and enjoying the snow, but I'm done.
00:36:15.000 California?
00:36:15.000 California, baby.
00:36:16.000 Come on down. 0.94
00:36:17.000 Yeah, man.
00:36:18.000 I was talking to a buddy of mine from Montana on the phone yesterday. 0.97
00:36:20.000 It was fucking freezing cold up there, thick snow everywhere. 0.95
00:36:24.000 And they're about to open up their bear season. 0.99
00:36:28.000 And he's like, Jesus Christ, it snows everywhere.
00:36:31.000 And I'm like, dude, I'm in my underwear right now outside.
00:36:33.000 I love it here, man.
00:36:34.000 I have a soft spot for California.
00:36:36.000 I've been coming here since I was a little kid to visit my dad in the summers.
00:36:41.000 And I come here two or three times a year, and I love it.
00:36:43.000 I love it too.
00:36:44.000 You know, the mountain lion thing is a weird thing with California because I see their point.
00:36:49.000 What they've essentially done is, and this is, one of the weird things about California is like, California is one of the places that doesn't have a fish and game department.
00:37:01.000 Really?
00:37:01.000 Yeah, it's like, they don't call it that.
00:37:03.000 They call it wildlife.
00:37:05.000 Okay.
00:37:06.000 They don't call it like, they don't think of it as like you have to hunt them.
00:37:11.000 Right.
00:37:11.000 Like if you say like fish and game, or Arizona calls it game and fish.
00:37:15.000 Okay.
00:37:15.000 Because there's more game in Arizona than there are fish.
00:37:18.000 Yeah, desert.
00:37:19.000 Yeah, it's kind of interesting the way they've switched it around.
00:37:21.000 But I think the way California calls it is fish and wildlife.
00:37:25.000 See, we call it the Ministry of Natural Resources. 0.98
00:37:28.000 Damn, that's a good way to look at it. 0.97
00:37:30.000 But I can't argue with the effectiveness of their approach because you do not find a lot of deer in California. 0.98
00:37:37.000 And deer hunters are extremely frustrated by that.
00:37:40.000 And I get it.
00:37:40.000 If you're like a local guy and you want to be able to hunt your own deer, it's hard going, man.
00:37:47.000 It's crazy.
00:37:47.000 I actually didn't know there was hunting here.
00:37:49.000 I had no idea.
00:37:50.000 And through hanging out with my friends at Mossy Oak, I met this guy that lives actually in Orange County.
00:37:55.000 His name is Jeremiah Dowdy from Field to Plate.
00:37:58.000 I don't know if you know this guy.
00:37:59.000 He's a local LA guy.
00:38:02.000 And he hunts all over California.
00:38:04.000 I had no idea that there was so much hunting.
00:38:06.000 Yeah, there's plenty of hunting.
00:38:07.000 He's a really good friend of mine.
00:38:10.000 He's like, well, there's turkey, there's wild pig, there's the pronghorn, there's all kinds of stuff that you can hunt.
00:38:17.000 There's elk.
00:38:17.000 There's Rocky Mountain elk near Tejon Ranch, and then there's Thule elk that are natural on the coast.
00:38:22.000 There's a lot of different animals here. 0.98
00:38:24.000 But there's also a lot of motherfucking mountain lions. 0.99
00:38:27.000 And they still kill them. 0.99
00:38:29.000 But the way they kill them now is through government trackers. 0.93
00:38:32.000 It's really kind of crazy.
00:38:34.000 What they do is mountain lions start eating people's dogs and cats.
00:38:37.000 And they get scary.
00:38:40.000 And then people call...
00:38:41.000 One of the, you know, I don't know who you would call that would take care of it.
00:38:45.000 And they hire people.
00:38:46.000 Most of the time they use dogs.
00:38:48.000 They use dogs to tree the mountain lion and they shoot them.
00:38:51.000 And when they empty the contents of their stomachs, when they do an autopsy on them, they find it filled with dogs and cats, which is really kind of crazy.
00:38:58.000 That is nuts.
00:38:59.000 There was one near where my dad lives.
00:39:01.000 A lady was attacked and they were running.
00:39:04.000 A pair of girls were running in the canyon. 1.00
00:39:06.000 And a mountain lion actually attacked one of them.
00:39:08.000 And she was like having a tug of war with the mountain lion, like with her friends.
00:39:12.000 Oh, Jesus Christ.
00:39:13.000 And I think it was about five or six years ago.
00:39:15.000 Where was this?
00:39:16.000 Somewhere in Orange County.
00:39:17.000 Someone was attacked running or cycling or something like that.
00:39:20.000 And they went and found it and shot it.
00:39:24.000 Well, when they get hungry...
00:39:26.000 We're encroaching because we're encroaching on their land. 0.72
00:39:29.000 No, it's just land. 1.00
00:39:32.000 It's not theirs, you fuck. 1.00
00:39:34.000 This is what's crazy about people. 1.00
00:39:36.000 We're encroaching on their territory.
00:39:37.000 No, no, no. 0.96
00:39:38.000 They're dead.
00:39:39.000 And then whatever was there that claimed that territory is dead.
00:39:42.000 And then there's a new one that comes along and they take it. 0.99
00:39:45.000 It's a fucking constant battle. 0.98
00:39:47.000 This idea that like we're in their community, like they have an established gated community that we've entered and we start putting up houses and pissing off their neighbors. 0.99
00:39:55.000 No, that's not what it is.
00:39:56.000 It's just land. 0.99
00:39:58.000 And if you hate people and you don't like cities, well then go fucking live in the forest. 1.00
00:40:03.000 Until then, fuck off. 1.00
00:40:04.000 And stop saying like we're encroaching on their land. 1.00
00:40:07.000 Do you go to the supermarket?
00:40:09.000 Yes.
00:40:09.000 Do you buy your vegan food at a vegan deli?
00:40:12.000 Well, that's a place where a deer could have lived.
00:40:14.000 Okay?
00:40:14.000 Do you go to the movie theater?
00:40:16.000 You do? 1.00
00:40:16.000 Well, you piece of shit. 1.00
00:40:17.000 That used to be like a squirrel's house. 1.00
00:40:19.000 That was a field at one point.
00:40:20.000 Yeah.
00:40:21.000 I mean, large-scale agriculture.
00:40:23.000 This is the other thing that kind of drives me crazy about vegans.
00:40:26.000 I'm not saying you shouldn't eat grain.
00:40:28.000 I'm not saying you shouldn't eat vegetables.
00:40:31.000 But large-scale agriculture, in terms of just raising vegetables, is responsible for a tremendous amount of death.
00:40:37.000 First of all, there's the pesticides that they use that kill bugs.
00:40:41.000 Now, if you only like mammals and you don't mind when people kill bugs, that seems a little hypocritical to me.
00:40:46.000 It gets a little weird, but it does get weird.
00:40:48.000 And then there's the fact that when you're making these, when you're using a combine...
00:40:53.000 Running through the field with all the rabbits, all the bunnies, all the groundhogs are being decimated.
00:40:58.000 My good buddy lives in Iowa, and he takes pictures.
00:41:03.000 He's like, look, we just chopped down, we just cut the field.
00:41:06.000 Look at all the vultures.
00:41:07.000 And the vultures are just circling overhead and landing in the field right out.
00:41:11.000 They know.
00:41:12.000 When the combine rolls through, they come in.
00:41:14.000 Dinner time.
00:41:15.000 They literally know.
00:41:16.000 There's places in Alaska, especially on Kodiak Island, where rifle shots Oh, I've heard of this.
00:41:24.000 Dinner bell.
00:41:25.000 Yeah, the bears come running.
00:41:27.000 I've heard of this.
00:41:28.000 This is crazy. 0.99
00:41:29.000 Fucking crazy. 0.99
00:41:29.000 And hunters are carrying like big Magnum 45s, like pistols to defend themselves against these grizzlies. 0.99
00:41:36.000 I'll send you a fantastic podcast that, do you know Steve Rinell is?
00:41:40.000 No.
00:41:41.000 Steve Rinella is a really, really interesting guy, and he's a host of a TV show called Meat Eater.
00:41:47.000 He's an author.
00:41:49.000 He has a podcast that he recorded when they were in a Fognak Island, which is like one of those chains of islands near Kodiak.
00:41:58.000 So it has those enormous coastal brown bears, just like Kodiak, and they got attacked.
00:42:04.000 They got attacked when they shot an elk, and they were packing the elk out, and they got rushed by... 0.99
00:42:10.000 A fucking tanker of a bear. 0.99
00:42:12.000 And it is a crazy podcast. 1.00
00:42:14.000 Because they recorded it right after the fact.
00:42:18.000 Everyone's freaking out still.
00:42:20.000 And one guy had a pistol on him, but he set it down next to his pack.
00:42:24.000 And they had all these ideas of what it would be like if an animal came in.
00:42:28.000 If they got attacked, they had all these preconceived notions of what it would feel like.
00:42:33.000 It was like, throw all that out the window.
00:42:37.000 It's not even on a reptilian level.
00:42:39.000 Your brain is so terrified, and this thing was so big.
00:42:42.000 My friend Giannis said that he saw its teeth gnashing, literally feet from his head as it ran through the camp.
00:42:49.000 Oh my god, the revenant is just like... 1.00
00:42:51.000 Fuck, dude. 1.00
00:42:52.000 I got rushed by a deer one time and I was losing it. 1.00
00:42:56.000 I didn't know what to do.
00:42:57.000 It was before sunrise.
00:42:59.000 It was like 5 in the morning.
00:43:01.000 I'm walking into my deer setup and I had to cross this little river and it was like full of stones and stuff and I'm kind of walking up this river.
00:43:10.000 And all I hear is like, brum, brum, brum.
00:43:12.000 And I'm like, what the hell is that noise?
00:43:14.000 And then it stopped and it was pawing at the ground and snorting. 0.99
00:43:17.000 And I was like, holy shit, this is a buck. 0.99
00:43:19.000 And I got goosebumps right now thinking about this. 0.99
00:43:22.000 And my bow's in my bag.
00:43:24.000 And I'm just like, I'm going to get taken down by this deer.
00:43:27.000 And then it thought it was another buck because it's in the rut.
00:43:31.000 Right.
00:43:31.000 It's rutting season for these deer and then it smelt that I was a human and it did that.
00:43:36.000 I got blown, it whistled, did that whistling, blowing kind of sound and took off. 1.00
00:43:40.000 But I thought I was fucked. 1.00
00:43:42.000 I was like, this is it. 1.00
00:43:43.000 I'm going to get gored by these antlers and that's it. 0.57
00:43:46.000 Well, were you in Canada?
00:43:48.000 Yeah, that was in Canada.
00:43:49.000 Those are big animals.
00:43:51.000 They're big.
00:43:51.000 We have big white tail.
00:43:53.000 300 pounds sometimes.
00:43:54.000 They're big.
00:43:55.000 And even our does are huge.
00:43:56.000 We get a lot of doe tags.
00:43:59.000 Where I grew up in Caledon, which is about an hour north of the city on a horse farm, we don't have a gun season for deer.
00:44:06.000 So that's how I got into archery and hunting with a bow.
00:44:08.000 That's interesting.
00:44:09.000 Why is that?
00:44:10.000 You know what?
00:44:11.000 I don't know.
00:44:11.000 I think it's because the farms are kind of closer together.
00:44:14.000 It's sort of like, you know, it's not huge agriculture.
00:44:17.000 They're more kind of hobby farms.
00:44:18.000 So I think they're a little closer together.
00:44:20.000 They don't want people just letting loose bullets.
00:44:22.000 Letting loose bullets.
00:44:23.000 I think the main thing is rifles.
00:44:24.000 So deer season and turkey season, you can use a shotgun. 0.97
00:44:28.000 And it's really stupid because you can shoot coyotes too with a rifle or shotgun, but there's no shotgun or rifle for deer, which is weird. 0.89
00:44:36.000 That is weird. 0.99
00:44:37.000 So that's why I got into archery.
00:44:42.000 And yeah, I'm lucky because it's so close to the city.
00:44:44.000 I can kind of go and hunt and then come back to work in the morning.
00:44:48.000 Yeah, the coyote thing is interesting because it's very counterintuitive.
00:44:51.000 The more coyotes you kill, the more coyotes breed, the more coyote populations increase.
00:44:56.000 Coyotes are a fascinating animal.
00:44:58.000 They're a big problem, at least in Calden, where I'm from.
00:45:00.000 You were talking about the mountain lions.
00:45:02.000 That's kind of our version.
00:45:03.000 I don't think there's any mountain lions where I live, but the coyotes are a problem.
00:45:07.000 They're nabbing people's dogs and cats everywhere.
00:45:09.000 Off the trail, people will be walking on their leash and they're coming out and nailing their little dog.
00:45:14.000 It happens out here.
00:45:14.000 I had one kill a chicken of mine two weeks ago.
00:45:17.000 Crazy. 1.00
00:45:18.000 Yeah, I've got a video of the dead fucking chicken in my chicken coop. 1.00
00:45:21.000 And then, here's what's really dark. 0.99
00:45:23.000 I dug a hole and buried the chicken.
00:45:26.000 We don't eat our chickens.
00:45:27.000 We just use the eggs.
00:45:28.000 For eggs.
00:45:28.000 And they're like pets.
00:45:29.000 I mean, there's a video of me from my Instagram walking in my yard holding my daughter's bunny.
00:45:35.000 And the chickens, they're following me around. 0.99
00:45:37.000 I wrote, I'm the motherfucking chicken whisperer. 0.99
00:45:40.000 Because it's a crazy video. 0.99
00:45:41.000 Because these chickens just follow me. 0.82
00:45:44.000 I mean, they literally, they're like pets.
00:45:46.000 Yeah.
00:45:47.000 So when this chicken died, I was bummed out.
00:45:50.000 It was a sweetheart of a chicken, too.
00:45:52.000 And this was a chicken that we would turn over rocks, and she would come and get the worms. 1.00
00:45:57.000 And so she would follow you around.
00:45:58.000 I'm like, come on, sweetie, here we go.
00:46:00.000 And it's really like a pet.
00:46:02.000 Here it is.
00:46:03.000 Here's a video of me walking.
00:46:04.000 Like, look at them.
00:46:05.000 That's so cool.
00:46:05.000 They just follow me around, man.
00:46:07.000 I know.
00:46:07.000 And a lot of farmers and people at little hobby farms, they use chickens as insect control.
00:46:12.000 Yes.
00:46:12.000 In their vegetable gardens.
00:46:13.000 Oh, they're great for that.
00:46:14.000 They're great for... 1.00
00:46:15.000 They will fuck up some mice, too, man. 0.99
00:46:18.000 You ain't never seen nothing like it. 0.99
00:46:19.000 No way.
00:46:19.000 No?
00:46:19.000 You never seen it?
00:46:20.000 I did not know that.
00:46:21.000 Dude, this is how I found out about it.
00:46:23.000 Well, one way I found out about it, a mouse got in the chicken coop and they fucked that thing up.
00:46:28.000 And I was like, wow, that's crazy.
00:46:30.000 But then another thing happened was my daughters found a hawk.
00:46:35.000 My wife decided in all of her...
00:46:38.000 You know, women are always trying to spruce things up. 1.00
00:46:40.000 She decided she was going to change some of these fences to a glass fence.
00:46:44.000 And the hawks didn't get the memo. 1.00
00:46:46.000 And they suck and... 1.00
00:46:48.000 They swan-dived into this glass wall. 1.00
00:46:53.000 And when we first put up the fence, there was like three hawks that got fucked up. 0.99
00:46:57.000 And one of them died. 0.97
00:46:59.000 And we found one of them that was just KO'd and had blood coming out of its nose.
00:47:04.000 Like literally, it was like a UFC fight. 0.99
00:47:06.000 It was down and fucked up. 0.95
00:47:08.000 So my daughters took this in and they put it in a large cardboard box and they had to figure out how to feed it because it was, I think it was on Saturday and the wildlife rescue place was not open on the weekend. 0.98
00:47:22.000 And so we had to bring it into a place on Monday.
00:47:25.000 So over the weekend, we went to this pet store that we go to, and they sell something called pinkies.
00:47:31.000 It's a very cute term for baby mice that you can't really see yet.
00:47:37.000 And they're separated from their mother, and they feed them to snakes.
00:47:39.000 It's mostly reptiles they feed them to. 0.99
00:47:41.000 But these hawks would fuck these pinkies up. 1.00
00:47:45.000 And so to try to give this hawk some food while it was there over the weekend so it didn't starve, my daughters brought them the pinkies. 0.98
00:47:53.000 And there was one pinky left.
00:47:55.000 That the hawk didn't eat when we brought the hawk to the wildlife rescue place.
00:47:59.000 So they fixed up the hawk and they told us the hawk was...
00:48:01.000 They took care of its wing and eventually they released it back in the wild.
00:48:05.000 So it was a nice story.
00:48:06.000 But there was this one pinky left over and the thing was going to die. 0.78
00:48:09.000 It wasn't with its mother.
00:48:10.000 It was too small to drink milk.
00:48:12.000 And they were like, we want to keep it.
00:48:14.000 We want to keep it as a pet.
00:48:15.000 I'm like, that doesn't make any sense. 0.99
00:48:17.000 You were just feeding its brothers and sisters to this fucking hawk and now you guys want to keep it. 0.99
00:48:21.000 So I said, listen, I think we should feed it to the chickens. 0.99
00:48:23.000 And they're like, no!
00:48:25.000 I was like, well, what are you going to do?
00:48:27.000 This is crazy.
00:48:27.000 You can't keep it.
00:48:28.000 It's going to die.
00:48:29.000 Do you understand that?
00:48:30.000 And they said, okay, okay, okay.
00:48:31.000 I go, well, listen, you don't have to watch.
00:48:33.000 I'll just go out and do it. 0.99
00:48:35.000 Dude, I put that fucking thing down, and I have never seen those chickens so voracious attack that mouse, and then they were all chasing the one chicken that had the mouse, trying to steal it from her. 0.99
00:48:47.000 Watch this. 1.00
00:48:48.000 Here's the chicken with a mouse right here. 0.98
00:48:50.000 Look, they get a mouse, and they fuck that mouse up, man, and they try to steal it from each other. 0.97
00:48:54.000 They're like, give it to me! 0.99
00:48:55.000 Give it to me!
00:48:56.000 Give it to me!
00:48:58.000 There's one where a cat is playing with a mouse.
00:49:01.000 You've seen the one with the cat and the chicken, Jamie?
00:49:03.000 That's the best one.
00:49:05.000 Because the cat, everybody thinks of cats as being vicious.
00:49:08.000 Cats are pretty vicious. 1.00
00:49:10.000 Chickens are fucking dinosaurs, man. 1.00
00:49:12.000 The way the chicken attacks the mouse, like, here he is. 1.00
00:49:15.000 See, look at that. 0.99
00:49:16.000 He's gonna eat the shit out of that mouse, too. 1.00
00:49:18.000 She's got to keep her eyes open, make sure those other cunts don't come and steal her mouse. 1.00
00:49:22.000 See? 0.99
00:49:23.000 Look at her.
00:49:23.000 They're experts in bobbing and weaving and turning their heads.
00:49:26.000 So the cat is stalking the mouse, and the chicken's like, bitch, you don't even know what you're doing. 1.00
00:49:32.000 The chicken just runs in and snatches it right in front of the cat. 1.00
00:49:35.000 The cat's like, fuck, seriously? 0.99
00:49:37.000 It's like, my mouse. 1.00
00:49:38.000 They're way more ruthless.
00:49:39.000 I mean, birds are ruthless creatures.
00:49:42.000 And chickens in particular are just, I think it's just a part of their natural diet.
00:49:47.000 Like when a mouse would get, look at this.
00:49:49.000 See the cat?
00:49:50.000 The cat's like, wow, check out this mouse.
00:49:52.000 I can't believe how lucky I am.
00:49:55.000 So he's like, you know, cats, for a cat, half of it's a game, right?
00:49:59.000 They just want to play with it.
00:50:00.000 Yeah.
00:50:00.000 There's a chick hanging back.
00:50:02.000 But as soon as the chicken finds it, Meanwhile, that mouse does not seem scared of that cat.
00:50:10.000 He's not scared enough.
00:50:10.000 I bet that mouse has toxo.
00:50:12.000 Boom! 1.00
00:50:12.000 Look at that, the chicken's like, fuck you, give me that thing. 1.00
00:50:14.000 That is crazy. 1.00
00:50:15.000 Crazy.
00:50:16.000 I did not know that about chickens. 1.00
00:50:17.000 Oh, dude, they'll fuck a mouse up. 1.00
00:50:20.000 That is crazy. 0.99
00:50:20.000 But it's just the way they do it, too. 0.99
00:50:22.000 He's fast, too.
00:50:23.000 And they think of it as purely as food.
00:50:26.000 They're not thinking, like the cat, it's sport.
00:50:28.000 For the cat, it's kind of fun.
00:50:30.000 The cat's probably fully fed.
00:50:32.000 It's a house cat.
00:50:32.000 Yeah, it's a house cat.
00:50:33.000 It's a fat house cat.
00:50:34.000 He's just looking to kill something for sport.
00:50:35.000 But that's nature. 0.88
00:50:36.000 That's nature.
00:50:37.000 People don't understand that.
00:50:38.000 They want to remove themselves from it, and that's great.
00:50:41.000 They don't want to understand it.
00:50:42.000 They don't want to understand it.
00:50:43.000 They want something that aligns with their ideology, and their ideology is love and compassion, except for people that eat meat, and then death.
00:50:52.000 Death threats.
00:50:55.000 I mean, that's really what it is.
00:50:57.000 It's an ideological battle, and in that sense, veganism becomes very much like a religion, because you support all the people that are on your side, and the people that are opposed to you are like apostates.
00:51:12.000 They're like the negative people that are trying to bring you to the dark side, to hell.
00:51:17.000 It gets really crazy.
00:51:19.000 And there's a lot of evidence on their side in terms of, like, factory farming and the horrors of factory farming.
00:51:25.000 And even the really incredibly poor modern American diet that they see. 0.98
00:51:32.000 A lot of people, when they go vegan, what they're doing, one of the best things that they're doing is they're eliminating all the bullshit. 1.00
00:51:38.000 They're eliminating all the trans fats and all the fucking... 1.00
00:51:41.000 All the terrible shit that a lot of people eat that isn't vegan. 1.00
00:51:45.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:51:46.000 But...
00:51:47.000 The negative thing is, most of them are eating diets that are far too carbohydrate rich, and if they're not getting their blood checked, they don't even know how unhealthy they are.
00:51:56.000 They convince themselves they're doing much better and they're feeling much better. 0.81
00:52:00.000 But a lack of cholesterol can fuck with your hormone functions.
00:52:04.000 A lot of vegans have low hormones because of that.
00:52:07.000 One of our regulars at Antler was talking to me about his experience.
00:52:11.000 He used to have an organic vegetable farm.
00:52:13.000 And he's a 6'7", big, huge, tall Dutch white guy.
00:52:17.000 And he goes to me, he says, you know, I was vegan for a long time.
00:52:21.000 I had this organic vegetable farm and I thought that I was doing my body a service.
00:52:25.000 He said, I thought I was doing something great for my body.
00:52:27.000 And he got really sick and he went to the doctor and the doctor said, listen, man, you have to take supplements.
00:52:32.000 Just supplement the things you're not getting from eating meat.
00:52:35.000 Or you have to go back to eating meat.
00:52:36.000 Because just some people's bodies do better than others.
00:52:39.000 He said a lot of Asian cultures are more susceptible to vegetable diets.
00:52:43.000 But in reality, he's like, you're a Northern European descent.
00:52:48.000 And you need to eat this stuff to be healthy.
00:52:51.000 And that's when he went back to eating meat.
00:52:54.000 And it doesn't matter...
00:52:56.000 He was living on an organic vegetable farm.
00:52:59.000 What more healthy vegetables could he be eating?
00:53:03.000 B12 is a big one.
00:53:05.000 And B12 essentially only comes from things other than vegetables.
00:53:08.000 You can get some of it from algae.
00:53:12.000 You definitely can get it from meat.
00:53:14.000 It's rich in meat.
00:53:15.000 And the other thing is iron.
00:53:17.000 People say, well, there's iron in vegetables.
00:53:19.000 There is, but it's not very bioavailable.
00:53:21.000 A lot of the various vitamins and even protein in vegetables are not very bioavailable in most sources.
00:53:28.000 And it's how your body absorbs those nutrients as well.
00:53:30.000 It might be rich in that substance, but your body can't really absorb it.
00:53:33.000 Well, it's just everybody's body is different.
00:53:35.000 I mean, that is an absolute fact that there are some people that can eat certain diets and be very healthy, and then other people eat them and they have a really hard time with them.
00:53:45.000 But the other thing is that most of these people that are talking about how healthy and how great they feel, there's a lot of it is sort of a placebo effect and they're not getting blood work done.
00:53:54.000 Everyone, regardless of what your diet is, you should get blood work done just to find out if you have any potential problems that are on the horizon.
00:54:04.000 Because there's a lot of times you'll feel okay and then you get your blood work done and the doctor will tell you, hey man, you're really low in vitamin B and D and A and you need this and that.
00:54:16.000 This is the health consequences of not having this stuff in your diet.
00:54:19.000 And if you are committed to a vegan diet, there's ways that you can supplement.
00:54:24.000 And this is my advice to people.
00:54:26.000 If you want to supplement, first of all, algae is a great one. 0.98
00:54:30.000 It tastes like shit, but it's very good for your body. 0.99
00:54:33.000 And you just add it to smoothies. 1.00
00:54:35.000 Just add it with coconut milk or a bunch of other things.
00:54:38.000 You can do it.
00:54:39.000 I mean, you definitely can eat a vegan diet and be healthy.
00:54:42.000 But you've got to be on the ball.
00:54:44.000 And the B12 one is a big one.
00:54:46.000 It's massive amounts.
00:54:48.000 I was reading some crazy article the other day that said something like 90% of all vegans are B12 deficient.
00:54:53.000 I've heard this.
00:54:55.000 I'm not an expert, but I've been reading.
00:54:56.000 It's terrible.
00:54:57.000 It's terrible.
00:54:58.000 There's a guy named Chris Kresser that I've had on my podcast before who's a brilliant guy who is an expert in diet and nutrition who started out as a macrobiotic vegan and had massive health problems and then switched to eating meat eventually and then really became a connoisseur of organ meat.
00:55:21.000 Which is probably the most nutrient-dense food in the world.
00:55:25.000 That's my favorite thing about hunting is the organ meat.
00:55:27.000 Me too, man.
00:55:28.000 I love liver.
00:55:29.000 Liver and the heart.
00:55:31.000 I went hunting and I came back and I brought the heart into the restaurant for the guys because I wanted to share with them the experience of eating fresh, killed.
00:55:40.000 The heart was still warm when I brought it to work.
00:55:42.000 And the way I like to eat is either tartare, like just mince it up raw, or cook it like a steak.
00:55:47.000 So I cut it, you know, horizontally into like, it looks like a tenderloin steak.
00:55:51.000 And we all got like this like buzz, like we just like shot a double espresso or something.
00:55:56.000 It was just like, whoa.
00:55:57.000 And it's like, it's so nutrient rich, the organ meat.
00:56:01.000 I had Alexander Gustafsson on the podcast yesterday as a UFC number one light heavyweight contender. 0.99
00:56:06.000 Big Viking motherfucker. 1.00
00:56:08.000 But he gets all of his meat from hunting for his training camps and everything like that. 1.00
00:56:13.000 He hunts red deer in Sweden, that's where he lives.
00:56:16.000 And we were both talking about how when you eat Really nutrient-dense, wild game.
00:56:22.000 It gives you a stimulated effect.
00:56:24.000 Your body is like, yeah, more of this.
00:56:27.000 Give me more of this.
00:56:29.000 There's something in it.
00:56:31.000 It tastes like it's supposed to taste.
00:56:34.000 You can't explain it.
00:56:36.000 The flavor is totally different.
00:56:37.000 Even when we're buying from these really cool game farms, it's different than the deer that I go and shoot because that deer I just shot could be six, seven years old versus at the farm it's maybe one or two.
00:56:49.000 But again, it's eating such a diverse diet and it's, you know, my belief is that that's how we're supposed to be eating.
00:56:56.000 Well, it's definitely how we were eating for the longest time.
00:57:00.000 And it is entirely possible that if humans, like, say if you got an isolated group of humans that stuck to a very, very rigid vegan diet for many, many, many generations, it's entirely possible that our genes would adapt to that diet and lifestyle.
00:57:16.000 It's totally possible.
00:57:17.000 The reality of your current physical form is it's most likely not designed for that.
00:57:22.000 And this is just based on genes and on genetics and epigenetics and all the various things that they've, methods that they've devised to try to study What makes you a person, and where your ancestors came from,
00:57:39.000 and how did your ancestors develop?
00:57:42.000 Did they eat mostly fish?
00:57:43.000 Like, there's people that live, like, in the Northwest, like the extreme, like in Alaska, and Inuits, and people, they're...
00:57:53.000 Entire history, they've evolved from eating fish and whale and whale blubber and seal and seal fat.
00:58:02.000 And there's real changes to who they are as people.
00:58:06.000 First of all, one of the big ones is the people that live up there, their hands don't get cold like ours do.
00:58:11.000 Their hands have better circulation.
00:58:12.000 I've heard that when the indigenous communities There was some program where they were trying to get them to stop hunting whales or stop killing seals, and the government was supplementing them with beef and cattle.
00:58:24.000 And their argument was, this is not what we're supposed to eat.
00:58:26.000 This is not what we're designed to eat.
00:58:27.000 We need the fat in the whale blubber to stay warm.
00:58:32.000 Yeah, it's kind of weird.
00:58:33.000 It's weird.
00:58:34.000 Why would we be forcing these people to eat something that is foreign to them?
00:58:37.000 The fat content in beef is way different than whale and seal.
00:58:41.000 It's like apples and oranges.
00:58:43.000 Well, it's also, you're looking at what we were talking about before, like white meat from turkey, domestic turkey versus the turkey that's a wild turkey.
00:58:53.000 When you see cows, you get these corn-fed cows, you have this pale meat.
00:58:59.000 That meat is pale because it's not as good for you.
00:59:02.000 It's more filled with fat, which tastes good, but it's not as nutrient-dense.
00:59:08.000 When you have a moose steak, you've seen a moose steak before, right? 0.99
00:59:12.000 It's fucking... 0.99
00:59:13.000 It's lean. 1.00
00:59:14.000 Yeah, but it's almost like...
00:59:15.000 Purple.
00:59:16.000 Dark, dark, red. 1.00
00:59:18.000 It's fucking dark, man. 0.99
00:59:21.000 That's way different. 0.99
00:59:22.000 It's a way different thing.
00:59:24.000 That cow is just some... 1.00
00:59:26.000 It's like the fattest, laziest person.
00:59:30.000 If you thought about taking an athlete like LeBron James, who's just this super athlete... 1.00
00:59:36.000 And compare, like, the composition of his body to some fucking slob who just drinks soda all day and is tired, is on antidepressants and antibiotics because his body is fucking deteriorating rapidly. 0.99
00:59:49.000 He's got arthritis in all of his joints because he's too fat. 1.00
00:59:52.000 That literally is a cow. 1.00
00:59:54.000 That's literally one of these fucking farm-raised, overstuffed, corn-fed cows, and they grind that fat fuck into a hamburger. 1.00
01:00:02.000 And it's just not the same. 1.00
01:00:04.000 I'm not...
01:00:05.000 I'm not endorsing eating LeBron James, but I'm saying there's a difference in what the composition of their body is.
01:00:12.000 It's a different thing.
01:00:13.000 It's a very different thing.
01:00:14.000 Totally.
01:00:15.000 Yeah, I mean, I think wild things, whether it's wild salmon or even wild vegetables, I think, would be probably better for you.
01:00:24.000 So that's a big part of what I do, and it's one of the reasons why I love nature so much, is foraging.
01:00:30.000 And I take my kids out to the woods and we go pick mushrooms.
01:00:33.000 And since they were like babies, my son's been dragged into the woods since he was one.
01:00:37.000 What kind of mushrooms?
01:00:38.000 So my favorite one to harvest where I live is morels.
01:00:41.000 Oh, yeah.
01:00:42.000 They're really funky looking.
01:00:43.000 They kind of look like a brain or something, something weird.
01:00:45.000 I wear them online.
01:00:47.000 I've never seen them in the wild.
01:00:48.000 There's nothing that tastes quite like them that you can buy.
01:00:51.000 They're almost like a meat.
01:00:53.000 They're very meaty.
01:00:54.000 They're very meaty.
01:00:54.000 And there's a couple different kinds.
01:00:55.000 There's like black ones and kind of white or yellowish ones.
01:00:59.000 And they're just like, it's so fascinating to go out into the wild and pick your own food.
01:01:03.000 And when you come home and cook it, like nothing else tastes like that.
01:01:06.000 Like mushrooms from the store, they're totally different.
01:01:08.000 And it's just something really special that you can go and experience in the wild.
01:01:11.000 Yeah, morels are a real weird one, and I've been reading up on them.
01:01:16.000 One of the strange things is when there's fire.
01:01:19.000 Forest fires.
01:01:19.000 Yeah.
01:01:20.000 They pop up.
01:01:20.000 The next season, they're cleansing the earth.
01:01:24.000 I'm not a mycologist, so I don't know.
01:01:27.000 I just enjoy finding them and eating them, but...
01:01:30.000 I do know there's a cleansing property to decaying matter.
01:01:35.000 So when trees fall down, the best place to find morels is I look for trees with no bark on them.
01:01:41.000 So they're really super old.
01:01:43.000 It's called a dead elm tree.
01:01:45.000 And they like the rotting roots of these dead elm trees.
01:01:48.000 And you're in the bush or in the field and you kind of see this one tree that has no bark on it and it's about to fall over.
01:01:54.000 There'll be like 20 morels at the base.
01:01:57.000 They're feeding off the root system that's underground.
01:02:00.000 Yeah, I'm absolutely fascinated by mushrooms.
01:02:02.000 I had Paul Stamets on the podcast.
01:02:05.000 I saw that one.
01:02:06.000 How great is that guy?
01:02:07.000 That's super cool.
01:02:08.000 With his mushroom hat?
01:02:08.000 Yeah.
01:02:09.000 That was amazing.
01:02:09.000 I got one if you want one.
01:02:10.000 That's awesome.
01:02:11.000 He gave me two mushroom hats.
01:02:12.000 Oh, that's amazing.
01:02:13.000 What am I going to do with two?
01:02:14.000 In case one breaks.
01:02:15.000 I have an extra mushroom hat.
01:02:17.000 There's a really cool documentary, actually.
01:02:20.000 It's called Know Your Mushrooms, I think.
01:02:22.000 You better know them.
01:02:23.000 By Ron Mann.
01:02:24.000 And he travels along with these mushroom hunters.
01:02:29.000 I think a lot of it's in Oregon and up the coast of California down in New Mexico, but they're professional foragers that then go and sell these mushrooms.
01:02:36.000 But they track these foragers, and it's such a cool movie.
01:02:39.000 That's interesting. 0.99
01:02:41.000 What I was going to say is you better know mushrooms because they'll fucking kill you if you don't. 0.99
01:02:44.000 That's the thing, man. 0.99
01:02:46.000 My first experience in foraging for mushrooms, I was like an apprentice chef at this restaurant and the chef comes in and was like, hey, check these out.
01:02:52.000 And I was like, whoa, what the hell are these?
01:02:55.000 And he's like, oh, they're morels.
01:02:56.000 I found them mountain biking.
01:02:57.000 And there's this stigma.
01:02:59.000 As a kid, your parents are like, don't eat those.
01:03:01.000 Don't touch those.
01:03:02.000 They're poisonous.
01:03:02.000 They'll kill you.
01:03:03.000 And it's like, okay, well, then you just have this idea. 0.96
01:03:05.000 Well, mushrooms come from the grocery store.
01:03:07.000 Well, it's like, no, they come in the wild.
01:03:09.000 You know, that's like my thing with meat is I teach my kids, like meat doesn't come from the grocery store.
01:03:13.000 It's not a styrofoam package.
01:03:15.000 That's not where it comes from.
01:03:16.000 It's an animal.
01:03:17.000 Yeah.
01:03:18.000 And yeah, and it's just like, you know, mushrooms that grow in the wild and they're just, they're crazy.
01:03:24.000 They have this like micro...
01:03:26.000 Microrisel.
01:03:27.000 Yeah.
01:03:28.000 Microrisel relationship with the animals, or with the trees rather.
01:03:33.000 Do you know the story of the Amanita muscaria?
01:03:36.000 I know what they are.
01:03:37.000 I don't know the story.
01:03:38.000 The Amanita Mascari is the most fascinating one to me because that's the one that looks like Santa Claus.
01:03:44.000 Or the Mario Kart.
01:03:44.000 It's red with white.
01:03:46.000 That is the subject of a book by a guy named John Marco Allegro.
01:03:51.000 Who was one of the head scholars for deciphering the Dead Sea Scrolls.
01:03:57.000 He deciphered the Dead Sea Scrolls for 14 years.
01:03:59.000 He was an ordained minister, but he was also, in his study of theology, became agnostic when he started realizing that there was all these different religions that had similar stories, and he found all these different connections, and he was trying to figure out what the origins of all these stories were.
01:04:15.000 Well, after studying the Dead Sea Scrolls for, I think it was 14 years before he wrote this book, He decided that all of Christianity was a massive misunderstanding.
01:04:27.000 And what it was originally about was these stories, this collection of stories that were about fertility rituals and psychedelic mushroom use.
01:04:36.000 And he traced the word Jesus back to an ancient Sumerian word that was a mushroom covered in God's semen. 0.55
01:04:45.000 And that when God would come on the earth, that's what rain was.
01:04:48.000 Rain was God coming on the earth. 0.99
01:04:51.000 And that these mushrooms would rise up out of the ground, they would eat them and trip their fucking balls off, right? 1.00
01:04:56.000 That's a crazy story. 1.00
01:04:58.000 So, you've got to think.
01:04:59.000 Yeah.
01:05:00.000 People that were foraging for food, especially back when there was no agriculture, right?
01:05:04.000 I mean, it was touch and go.
01:05:06.000 You could easily starve to death.
01:05:08.000 A bad winter, a drought, people would starve to death.
01:05:12.000 It was very, very common.
01:05:13.000 So they would take...
01:05:16.000 Foraging extremely serious and they knew what they could eat and they knew what they couldn't eat.
01:05:21.000 Well, they knew that there was a relationship between carnivorous trees and coniferous trees would grow these weird looking shiny red and white mushrooms under them.
01:05:31.000 That's what Coniferous trees is pine trees.
01:05:34.000 That's what we use for Christmas trees.
01:05:36.000 Those red and white packages, they are like the shiny packages underneath the Christmas tree.
01:05:42.000 They are the color of Santa Claus.
01:05:44.000 They're common in Siberia.
01:05:47.000 They're eaten constantly by caribou.
01:05:49.000 Caribou are reindeer.
01:05:51.000 Reindeer are addicted to these to the point where when people are having psychedelic mushroom rituals and they go outside to take a leek, The caribou will knock them over to get to the Amanita muscaria piss in the sand, because they smell the Amanita muscaria in the piss. 0.72
01:06:08.000 And one of the ways these guys trip their balls off is they eat the mushroom and then they drink their own urine. 0.85
01:06:13.000 They have a second process of this. 0.99
01:06:15.000 Here's where it gets even crazier. 0.99
01:06:17.000 In the times in Siberia where it would become extremely snowy, when the shaman would visit, the way they would get into the house is through the fucking chimney. 0.99
01:06:26.000 Because the door would be snowed in. 0.98
01:06:28.000 So they would climb in through the chimney.
01:06:29.000 I mean, there's so many parallels to Santa Claus and to Christianity, to this one mushroom that they think was a massive part of shamanistic rituals.
01:06:40.000 There it is right there.
01:06:40.000 This is this Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer.
01:06:42.000 Yeah.
01:06:43.000 Oh, that is Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer, I'm sure.
01:06:45.000 That's such a cool story. 0.99
01:06:46.000 Oh, dude, it's fucking crazy. 0.96
01:06:47.000 So he wrote this book called The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross that was bought out by the Catholic Church. 0.99
01:06:53.000 This I have to verify.
01:06:54.000 But I do know that they stopped production of it.
01:06:57.000 I don't know if it was bought out by the Catholic Church.
01:06:59.000 That's always been what's been told to me.
01:07:00.000 But I do know that they stopped production of it forever.
01:07:04.000 He came out with another book called The Dead Sea Scrolls and The Christian Myth, which is still available.
01:07:10.000 Then, more recently, like really recently, within the last decade, a guy named Jan Irvin republished the John Marco Allegro books with permission from his family.
01:07:20.000 I think it might have actually been one of those things where when a book is over 25 years old, it becomes like public domain or something like that, too.
01:07:28.000 But this book and this story behind it is incredibly fascinating.
01:07:33.000 And what he's basically saying is that, and it makes sense, if you were living thousands of years ago and you stumbled upon these psychedelic mushrooms and you took them, you would experience God.
01:07:43.000 You literally would think that that psychedelic state was you communicating with God.
01:07:48.000 They would want to hide those from the Romans. 0.98
01:07:49.000 So they hid them in parables and stories, and he explains what the original meaning of all these parables and stories are.
01:07:56.000 Because, of course, you're going from We're good to go. 0.99
01:08:18.000 I'm obviously not one of those, so I'm just talking shit. 0.99
01:08:21.000 But there's so many parallels, it's almost like, how could it be just coincidental that Santa Claus is red and white, that Santa Claus likes reindeers, that the Christmas tree is something that we use and the presents are under the Christmas tree, that Santa Claus lives in the fucking North Pole, which is Siberia, 0.98
01:08:37.000 which is where caribou live, and which is where these mushrooms are very common. 0.68
01:08:41.000 I mean, there's so many parallels. 0.98
01:08:43.000 It's really kind of fucking crazy. 0.95
01:08:44.000 That's cool. 0.97
01:08:45.000 Yeah, it's a great book.
01:08:46.000 I really highly recommend it.
01:08:48.000 It's one of those books where you read a few chapters and you've got to go, I think I may have to go back over that again.
01:08:54.000 It's so freaky.
01:08:56.000 Very cool.
01:08:57.000 But I've stumbled upon those in the wild, those Amanita Mysterios.
01:09:02.000 You have to cook them first.
01:09:03.000 You can't eat them raw.
01:09:04.000 You have to boil them.
01:09:05.000 Yeah, we made tea out of them.
01:09:05.000 They will make you sick, apparently, if you don't do it right.
01:09:09.000 I forage more for...
01:09:11.000 Morels are my favorite.
01:09:13.000 Chanterelle is obviously an awesome culinary mushroom.
01:09:16.000 What's that yellow one that grows on trees? 0.99
01:09:19.000 It's like a thick...
01:09:21.000 Chicken of the Woods?
01:09:22.000 Yes, that one.
01:09:22.000 And it tastes like chicken.
01:09:24.000 It is unbelievable.
01:09:25.000 I heard that one's amazing.
01:09:25.000 It's really funky.
01:09:27.000 I was walking with the kids in a park downtown Toronto and I look over and there's this massive, it's on my Instagram, massive yellow kind of looks like goo growing on this tree and it was a premature chicken of the woods and it just looked like this blob and then if I were to leave it,
01:09:42.000 it would start to kind of shelf out into like shelf kind of mushrooms.
01:09:46.000 And so I left it for like a week and went back and harvested it.
01:09:49.000 And it's like tender, juicy chicken flavor.
01:09:51.000 It is bizarre.
01:09:52.000 Oh, that's kind of cool.
01:09:53.000 So you were just like hoping nobody else saw it?
01:09:55.000 Yeah.
01:09:56.000 And it was in like a really public park.
01:09:58.000 And I was like, oh man, I better get this before someone else finds it.
01:10:02.000 Well, how many people would know in a public park in Toronto?
01:10:06.000 There's a few.
01:10:06.000 There's definitely a few.
01:10:07.000 I've kind of walked up to ladies, like, picking herbs and stuff, and I was like, hey, like, what do you do?
01:10:12.000 And then they just kind of looked at me and kind of went away.
01:10:14.000 They didn't want to share their knowledge with me.
01:10:15.000 There it is.
01:10:16.000 There it is.
01:10:17.000 Oh, so that's the...
01:10:17.000 It's bizarre, man.
01:10:18.000 Look at you.
01:10:18.000 You look like zookeeper or zoo handler.
01:10:20.000 I was like, I was so pumped.
01:10:22.000 I was so excited.
01:10:24.000 The face you're making.
01:10:25.000 There's another one.
01:10:26.000 You look like Chris D'Elia there.
01:10:28.000 Doesn't he look a little like D'Elia?
01:10:29.000 That's hilarious.
01:10:31.000 Oh, that's so cool, man.
01:10:32.000 There's a little tiny one below it.
01:10:34.000 Why do they grow on trees?
01:10:36.000 I don't know.
01:10:37.000 Well, that one, you can see the bark is deteriorating.
01:10:39.000 So again, it's feeding off the decaying tree.
01:10:43.000 Wow, look how badass that looks.
01:10:46.000 And I found ones like that, too.
01:10:47.000 If you go and harvest those, they're really woody by that time, and they're kind of a little too tough to eat.
01:10:53.000 Oh, really?
01:10:54.000 So yeah, you want to get them when they're kind of younger like that.
01:10:57.000 So is there a color change?
01:10:59.000 I guess when they're older, they get a bit more orange from that kind of yellow premature state.
01:11:04.000 See that one where there's like yellow?
01:11:06.000 Yeah, those are like perfect.
01:11:07.000 Right there is perfect?
01:11:08.000 Yeah.
01:11:09.000 Oh, wow.
01:11:10.000 That looks almost like cauliflower.
01:11:12.000 Totally.
01:11:12.000 Yeah, it's really, really neat.
01:11:13.000 Wow.
01:11:14.000 It's fascinating.
01:11:15.000 You know, the mushroom world is super cool.
01:11:18.000 Do you know they breathe air?
01:11:20.000 I did not know that.
01:11:21.000 They breathe air and they breathe out carbon dioxide.
01:11:23.000 They're closer to animals than they are to vegetables.
01:11:25.000 That's really cool.
01:11:26.000 Yeah, they're weird.
01:11:27.000 Fungus is a weird thing, man.
01:11:29.000 Yeah.
01:11:29.000 Well, a lot of it's like misunderstood.
01:11:32.000 Well, I guess I was watching the podcast with the mushroom guy.
01:11:36.000 Paul Stamets.
01:11:37.000 Yeah.
01:11:38.000 Shout out to Paul.
01:11:39.000 Love that guy.
01:11:39.000 Shout out to Paul.
01:11:40.000 But like a lot of it is still being learned today of the impact on the earth and what they do.
01:11:47.000 Did you hear a story about, would he take 10 grams of psilocybin mushrooms and climb a tree in a lightning storm? 0.99
01:11:54.000 And like, connected to the fucking universe? 0.99
01:11:56.000 First time ever doing it, right? 0.99
01:11:57.000 Yeah, he did that.
01:11:59.000 I think he was in high school, right?
01:12:01.000 Or somewhere around there?
01:12:02.000 Very young.
01:12:03.000 Yeah. 0.96
01:12:03.000 Crazy. 0.96
01:12:04.000 He's awesome.
01:12:05.000 Such a trip, though.
01:12:06.000 Well, I was reading that, like, the philocybin is linked to curing depression and things like that, which I don't know a lot about, but it's fascinating, the effects they have on people.
01:12:18.000 John Hopkins is doing some studies on them.
01:12:19.000 The most fascinating of all the mushroom theories is by the late, great Terence McKenna.
01:12:26.000 And his brother, Dennis McKenna, who's still alive and a scientist, Explained it on my first podcast with him.
01:12:33.000 So if anybody's interested, find that and download it.
01:12:36.000 Dennis is a brilliant guy.
01:12:39.000 And the theory is called the stoned ape theory.
01:12:43.000 And this coincides with what we're talking about, about hunting and consumption of meat leading to us becoming humans.
01:12:51.000 There's a doubling of the human brain size over a period of two million years.
01:12:55.000 It's like apparently one of the biggest mysteries in the fossil record.
01:12:59.000 They do not understand why something so important like the thing that actually created the theory of I mean that of evolution explained evolution like this very organ Doubled over a period of two million years.
01:13:16.000 I don't know why Terence believes that the reason coincided with climate change and that as the climate changed These rainforests receded into grasslands and these lower hominids, like our ancestors, came down from the trees and started experimenting with new food sources. 0.67
01:13:33.000 And one of the things they experimented with was psychedelic mushrooms.
01:13:36.000 And that through psilocybin, which they found by flipping over cow patties, a couple things happened.
01:13:42.000 One, it increased visual acuity.
01:13:45.000 Mushrooms, especially in low doses, increased visual acuity, which would make them better hunters.
01:13:50.000 They could see better, made them more intuitive, made them more creative.
01:13:54.000 And also, the way Dennis explains the effect of psilocybin on the brain, he was saying that it could have possibly led to the development of language, and that all of this could have come out of The consumption of psychedelic mushrooms. 0.99
01:14:08.000 It's fucking intense, man. 0.99
01:14:09.000 That's crazy. 1.00
01:14:10.000 Terrence called it the stoned ape theory.
01:14:13.000 Very cool.
01:14:13.000 That's how he thinks we became human.
01:14:16.000 That's amazing.
01:14:17.000 Yeah. 1.00
01:14:18.000 It sounds stupid. 1.00
01:14:19.000 It sounds stupid until you do mushrooms. 1.00
01:14:21.000 Yeah. 1.00
01:14:21.000 And then you go, oh. 1.00
01:14:22.000 That makes sense.
01:14:23.000 And then you go, oh, okay.
01:14:24.000 Okay.
01:14:25.000 Okay, maybe.
01:14:26.000 Yeah, maybe.
01:14:27.000 Yeah.
01:14:28.000 Why is this illegal?
01:14:28.000 Then you start going, what?
01:14:30.000 Everybody should do this.
01:14:31.000 Oh my God, everybody should do this.
01:14:32.000 Now, when you first started cooking, how old were you when you became a chef?
01:14:39.000 Well, it's kind of a fluke, funny story.
01:14:42.000 I was a 13-year-old kid, and I wanted a part-time job, you know, like a newspaper route or something like that.
01:14:47.000 And I went to, I lived in a little town on this horse farm in the country, and I rode my bike down to this gas station, and I applied to pump gas. 0.90
01:14:56.000 And this guy had a diner on the corner and was like, hey, man, I don't need anyone to pump gas, but can you cook?
01:15:02.000 And I grew up cooking at home with my mom because she would work late and she would call me on her way home and tell me how to start dinner.
01:15:08.000 So she'd be like, turn on the oven, get the chicken out of the fridge, get the shake and bake, and she'd walk me through it.
01:15:14.000 And I'd start dinner and she'd get home and finish it. 0.77
01:15:16.000 So I told her, yeah, I can cook or whatever.
01:15:19.000 And he had me in there dropping the fry baskets and flipping eggs and doing the brunch shift on the weekend.
01:15:26.000 And it just stuck.
01:15:27.000 It's one of those things that you just kind of grow up doing. 1.00
01:15:30.000 I wanted money to buy skateboards and pot and stupid shit. 1.00
01:15:33.000 And yeah, it just kind of stuck. 1.00
01:15:36.000 And then all through high school, I had a job cooking.
01:15:39.000 And I really started to struggle with it because I was taking all these world issues courses and learning about the environment and watching these documentaries about food.
01:15:49.000 And I didn't know how being a chef could help change the world.
01:15:52.000 And how am I going to make a difference as a chef?
01:15:55.000 And then I had my daughter when I was 19, and I had all this experience cooking, and I thought, well, you know, I'm just going to go to chef school and make a go of this.
01:16:05.000 Like, I've got all this experience.
01:16:06.000 I'm already this far ahead.
01:16:08.000 And it was having kids at such a young age that really made me focus and was like, okay, like, I have a job to do.
01:16:16.000 And I fell in love with food.
01:16:19.000 I was a 17-year-old kid with a vegetable garden.
01:16:21.000 Like, who does that?
01:16:22.000 And then I got into hunting and foraging and learning about food, and I totally just fell in love with it.
01:16:29.000 And so how did Antler come about?
01:16:31.000 You brought a bunch of these, huh?
01:16:32.000 I brought a bunch of these, yeah.
01:16:33.000 So this photo, I actually took this photo.
01:16:36.000 It's blown up in the restaurant.
01:16:37.000 All the green on the ground is wild leeks.
01:16:40.000 So in the spring, I actually took this turkey hunting.
01:16:43.000 And I looked over and was like, whoa, cool.
01:16:45.000 That's amazing.
01:16:46.000 So it's like a postcard?
01:16:47.000 Yeah, it's a postcard.
01:16:48.000 This is actually a sketch my friend did of a deer skull that I shot.
01:16:53.000 Oh.
01:16:54.000 So anyway, Antler came about because I worked for a celebrity chef.
01:16:58.000 He gave me his cookbook and I was hunting and foraging, doing all the stuff.
01:17:02.000 And I thought, well, you know, one of the ways I can make an impact on the world is I can teach people about what I'm doing.
01:17:06.000 And I went and I got a camera and I would take it with me and shoot photos like this.
01:17:11.000 And I wanted to teach people about hunting and foraging because...
01:17:16.000 What I was doing is not new.
01:17:17.000 It's really, really old.
01:17:18.000 But, you know, people seem to have forgotten about it.
01:17:21.000 You know, at least people in the cities anyway, people don't really know much about it.
01:17:24.000 So I thought, you know, I'm going to help educate, you know, modern civilization about hunting and foraging.
01:17:30.000 And I thought this will be like my make a difference in the world.
01:17:33.000 And I ended up hanging out with a really good friend of mine, one of my best friends today.
01:17:40.000 And he's a family friend, documentary filmmaker by the name of Jody Shapiro.
01:17:45.000 And, you know, we had this deal and he said, you know, I'll help you with the photos if you teach me how to cook.
01:17:50.000 And he was taking some culinary courses at the local college just as a hobby.
01:17:55.000 And, you know, we started hanging out and shooting this cookbook.
01:17:59.000 And we started to kind of get some press about it.
01:18:03.000 You know, Eater Magazine did this article on us, and we started doing these game dinners out of his house.
01:18:08.000 And he had this really nice condo.
01:18:10.000 And so I put on this game dinner.
01:18:11.000 We sold tickets.
01:18:12.000 And I knew there were laws about serving game in restaurants.
01:18:16.000 So in Canada, and I'm pretty sure the U.S. is pretty similar, you can't serve wild game in a restaurant.
01:18:20.000 So there's public health.
01:18:22.000 Excuse me.
01:18:24.000 All meat has to be inspected through a slaughterhouse.
01:18:27.000 Europe is different.
01:18:27.000 You can kind of do whatever in Europe.
01:18:29.000 So I thought, okay, cool.
01:18:30.000 We'll have this game dinner out of his house and we're in the clear.
01:18:33.000 But with the Ministry of Natural Resources, you can't sell game meat for any kind of profit.
01:18:38.000 But we weren't profiting off it.
01:18:40.000 We were just kind of having fun.
01:18:41.000 Anyway, do this game dinner.
01:18:43.000 A local paper, a national paper, actually wanted to buy a ticket.
01:18:46.000 They came.
01:18:47.000 We thought they were going to write this little blurb about it.
01:18:49.000 They did a two-page spread in a national newspaper about this game dinner.
01:18:53.000 So we started to get all this press about it, and we just said, hey, let's open a restaurant.
01:18:58.000 Let's have a home where we can work on this book.
01:19:02.000 Possibly shoot some documentary and really just have fun and explore Canadian cuisine.
01:19:08.000 It's something that I'm really passionate about.
01:19:10.000 Something that really, you know, hasn't really been defined.
01:19:14.000 There's a bunch of people trying to define it, you know, and it was just sort of our home.
01:19:19.000 Now, when you say Canadian cuisine, are these traditional recipes or are they improvised?
01:19:25.000 Well, you know, a lot of it is improvised.
01:19:27.000 A lot of it's my take on it.
01:19:29.000 You know, I definitely want to do some more kind of studying about native and indigenous cooking.
01:19:35.000 You know, traveling across the country is something I want to do and learning from the indigenous communities.
01:19:41.000 But sort of my take on it is, you know, if there wasn't these farmed animals, what would we eat?
01:19:47.000 And for me, it's morels, it's maple syrup, it's the wild leeks in this photo, it's deer and turkey and rabbit and these things we serve at Antler because that's what's growing around us in Canada.
01:19:57.000 It's wild fish.
01:19:59.000 And thanks again for the maple syrup, man.
01:20:01.000 I'm going to have to break my diet to enjoy some of this.
01:20:03.000 Yeah, man.
01:20:03.000 But that is the liquidiest looking, richest looking maple syrup I've ever seen.
01:20:09.000 Yeah, man.
01:20:09.000 That looks amazing.
01:20:11.000 So I was telling you earlier, that takes 18 liters of sap boiled down to make one liter of syrup.
01:20:17.000 And the cool part is you can drink the sap.
01:20:18.000 It's full of natural electrolytes and minerals.
01:20:22.000 So it's kind of like a coconut water type of beverage.
01:20:26.000 What's crazy to me is how someone figured out to do that.
01:20:29.000 And they've been doing it for hundreds of years, right?
01:20:32.000 Yeah, super cool.
01:20:33.000 And it happens only, you can only make it in the spring when it's freezing at night and it thaws during the day.
01:20:39.000 And what happens is the tree roots are sucking up as much water as it can to feed the buds that it's trying to make leaves. 0.98
01:20:46.000 Again, how the fuck did anybody figure that out? 0.97
01:20:48.000 No idea. 0.98
01:20:49.000 Figure out how to take the sap from the trees like that.
01:20:53.000 It's so simple.
01:20:54.000 It's really, really cool.
01:20:55.000 When you drill a hole in the tree, you put in this little tap and hang a bucket and it just drips out.
01:21:01.000 Wow.
01:21:02.000 And how long does it take to drip?
01:21:05.000 When it's kind of perfect conditions, I put up these 16 liter buckets and within three or four days they're full.
01:21:11.000 Oh, wow.
01:21:12.000 So it's cool.
01:21:13.000 It's fun.
01:21:13.000 And it gets me out in the woods.
01:21:15.000 I call it my spring training because I'm lugging around all these buckets, you know.
01:21:18.000 Oh, okay.
01:21:18.000 Yeah.
01:21:19.000 Yeah, that's great.
01:21:20.000 That's awesome.
01:21:21.000 Getting the winter fat off.
01:21:22.000 So when you were talking about indigenous people, how they would cook their food, have you learned any of those dishes yet?
01:21:28.000 I have.
01:21:29.000 Like I said, I'm not an expert, but it's something we're going to be kind of studying moving forward.
01:21:35.000 You know, the growth of Antler, you know, where do we go from here?
01:21:38.000 And, you know, I mentioned my business partner is a documentary guy.
01:21:41.000 So we want to travel and travel across the country and learn really what that is.
01:21:46.000 There's so many different indigenous communities in Canada.
01:21:49.000 Like Canada's on three coasts, much like the States with Alaska.
01:21:52.000 You don't really think of the Arctic up there, but there's three oceans.
01:21:56.000 Oh yeah, you have an ocean up top. 1.00
01:21:57.000 Fuck that ocean though. 1.00
01:22:00.000 Isn't that ocean, can you walk across it? 1.00
01:22:02.000 Yeah, it's frozen.
01:22:04.000 Jesus.
01:22:05.000 Yeah, it's something that I definitely want to learn more about.
01:22:09.000 How would they cook moose?
01:22:11.000 Do you know?
01:22:13.000 A lot of it would be open fire, and a lot of it's raw, like the seal meat and whale blubber.
01:22:18.000 In the Arctic, they don't have a lot of wood to burn, and they would have oil lamps from the oil from the blubber, but a lot of the cooking is raw.
01:22:28.000 Yeah, Steve Rinella went to Nunavut.
01:22:31.000 Is that it?
01:22:32.000 Nunavut.
01:22:32.000 Yeah, yeah.
01:22:32.000 Something like that.
01:22:33.000 How do you say it?
01:22:34.000 Nunavut Island?
01:22:35.000 Nunavut.
01:22:35.000 Nunavut.
01:22:36.000 Is that how they say it?
01:22:36.000 I think there's the Northwest Territories and there's Nunavut.
01:22:40.000 And they were eating a lot of fish, frozen fish that was dipped in seal oil.
01:22:47.000 Crazy.
01:22:47.000 They would dip the fish in seal oil and eat it.
01:22:49.000 They have a tremendous amount of oil and fat in their diet.
01:22:53.000 Yeah.
01:22:54.000 You know, which kind of makes sense.
01:22:55.000 Keto diet.
01:22:56.000 Yeah, super keto.
01:22:57.000 And I mean, they're up there in the coldest of cold climates.
01:23:01.000 One of the things we do that's kind of cool is I know the indigenous cultures would make cedar tea and it's full of vitamin C and minerals and nutrients.
01:23:12.000 But we do a cedar sorbet.
01:23:15.000 So we boil cedar leaves and then I just add sugar and make it into like an ice.
01:23:19.000 So it's a frozen kind of sorbet.
01:23:21.000 Wow.
01:23:21.000 Which is really cool.
01:23:22.000 And it's like when you eat it, it's like the forest in your mouth.
01:23:25.000 It's really, really neat.
01:23:26.000 Whoa! 0.71
01:23:26.000 Where do you get the cedar from? 0.71
01:23:27.000 We just go into the woods and cut it down. 1.00
01:23:30.000 No shit. 0.99
01:23:30.000 And we bring that into the restaurant. 0.99
01:23:31.000 There's all kinds of cool stuff that we do that we, you know, because I go up, I try and be in nature a couple times a week.
01:23:37.000 And I'll go and, you know, forage for all this stuff and bring it into antler.
01:23:40.000 Another way we use the cedar is in a cocktail.
01:23:43.000 We do a cedar gin sour.
01:23:44.000 So we infuse the gin with cedar leaves for like a week.
01:23:50.000 And then we shake that with some simple syrup. 0.99
01:23:52.000 Damn, dude, you make me hungry. 0.99
01:23:53.000 So, it's interesting that when you go to the woods to forage for plant life, it's totally legal. 1.00
01:24:01.000 You could sell it.
01:24:02.000 But if you forage for animal life, you can't do that.
01:24:06.000 I think that is because of market hunting that really decimated most of the population of North American game animals in the 1800s, early into the 1900s.
01:24:17.000 Most people...
01:24:19.000 Associate that with the death of the buffalo.
01:24:22.000 And it makes sense.
01:24:23.000 And I think if there are ways to do it where it could be controlled, I don't think I could hunt enough meat for the restaurant.
01:24:30.000 Right.
01:24:31.000 45 seats.
01:24:32.000 45 seats.
01:24:33.000 But you know what?
01:24:33.000 I do think that, you know, I think it's people's right to be able to eat wild meat.
01:24:38.000 I think that as a human being, you have the right to try that.
01:24:41.000 And if you're not a hunter, if you don't know how to go do it, you have the right to at least try it.
01:24:45.000 And I do know, actually, in Newfoundland, they're allowed to serve wild game, and the hunter has to go and get a permit to sell, and then he has to bring it to a butcher that has a permit to process it and expect it, and then that butcher can then sell it to a restaurant.
01:25:00.000 Oh, well, that makes sense.
01:25:01.000 Yeah, and it's controlled.
01:25:02.000 I don't want to decimate the population.
01:25:03.000 I don't want to hurt anything.
01:25:06.000 Is that the way to say it, though?
01:25:07.000 Newfoundland?
01:25:08.000 Newfoundland?
01:25:08.000 Yeah, I think it's Newfoundland.
01:25:09.000 I think if you call it Newfoundland, it's like calling Chicago Chicago.
01:25:13.000 They'll get pissed at you. 1.00
01:25:14.000 You're a fucking fake Canadian! 1.00
01:25:16.000 I have an ant from there. 1.00
01:25:18.000 Yeah, I don't want market hunting of wild game.
01:25:23.000 It's because I love wild animals.
01:25:26.000 100%.
01:25:27.000 Yeah, how do you love an animal?
01:25:30.000 Yeah, well, I just think it's very complex.
01:25:35.000 That's what I think.
01:25:36.000 I think just staying alive, being a human is very complex.
01:25:40.000 And I think we have very simplistic ways of looking at it.
01:25:42.000 I also think that it's entirely possible that plants are communicating with each other and they have a level of intelligence that we don't totally understand.
01:25:49.000 And that's supported by data.
01:25:51.000 That's supported by more and more research every day.
01:25:54.000 They're finding out that plants have some interconnected network of communication with each other and that they recognize when they're being eaten and they change their flavor profile to make themselves taste terrible to animals that are eating them.
01:26:09.000 There's some communication between them, and they're some sort of a primitive life form that many argue are far more complex than things that vegans won't eat, like mollusks. 1.00
01:26:19.000 Like mollusks, although we think of them as animals, they're the simplest, dumbest fucking things on earth. 0.99
01:26:25.000 Vice just did an article questioning whether mollusks were vegan. 1.00
01:26:29.000 I thought it was kind of funny.
01:26:30.000 Yeah, they should be!
01:26:31.000 I think for health purposes, people that are vegans, like, hey man, they're sustainable.
01:26:36.000 I mean, you could farm them.
01:26:37.000 You could eat them.
01:26:38.000 And they have a cleaning property, too.
01:26:39.000 I've watched something that they were using mussels to clean up ocean beaches and filter the water.
01:26:45.000 And mushrooms, too, apparently are very cleansing.
01:26:48.000 They're trying to find ways to use mushrooms to clean kind of oil spills and, you know, really screwed up environmental things.
01:26:54.000 People should eat mollusks. 0.89
01:26:56.000 They really should.
01:26:57.000 And they should also eat eggs.
01:26:58.000 Eat eggs, folks.
01:26:59.000 Just eat them from ethical animals.
01:27:01.000 And I'm just saying this just as a person who values health.
01:27:04.000 And a person who's...
01:27:05.000 I mean, I put my body through a lot.
01:27:09.000 My body has to perform.
01:27:11.000 And it has my whole life.
01:27:13.000 So I'm very, very concerned with nutrition.
01:27:15.000 And I'm very aware of the impact nutrition has on physical performance.
01:27:20.000 And I think eggs are gigantic. 0.96
01:27:21.000 They're so goddamn good for your health. 0.95
01:27:23.000 And this idea that somehow or another you're doing something cruel. 0.96
01:27:27.000 My chickens are my friends.
01:27:28.000 You see it from that video.
01:27:29.000 That's proof in the pudding.
01:27:30.000 They're not scared of me at all.
01:27:32.000 They're running around with you.
01:27:32.000 They're running around with me.
01:27:33.000 And I eat their eggs.
01:27:34.000 And those eggs are good for you.
01:27:35.000 And I know everybody can't do that.
01:27:37.000 But you can get these kind of pasture-raised eggs.
01:27:40.000 And you vote with your dollars that you're spending.
01:27:42.000 If you go to the store and you buy organic eggs and you buy the healthier version, yes, you're paying an extra buck or two bucks or whatever it is, but crack open an egg from the mass-produced place and you crack open an egg from the organic place.
01:27:55.000 The organic ones are bright orange and super dark and even the yolk is really thick.
01:28:02.000 And then the other one, it's pale and runny and yellow and you crack them and the yolks break sometimes and they're just like, it's garbage.
01:28:09.000 And who knows what's in them and what conditions those chickens are living in. 1.00
01:28:12.000 A lot of times terrible conditions.
01:28:14.000 I think whoever started off...
01:28:17.000 I mean, I guess it's just economics, right?
01:28:18.000 And you give people the option to make the most amount of money and not have to account for ethics or cruelty standards or whatever issues were in place that allowed factory farms to materialize.
01:28:35.000 That's one of the worst...
01:28:39.000 Worst pieces of evidence about the cruelty of human beings.
01:28:43.000 It's one of the worst.
01:28:44.000 It's horrific.
01:28:45.000 I mean, and it's something that I think we should really collectively do something about.
01:28:52.000 And I think it's one of the things that really ramps up I get it.
01:29:02.000 I get it.
01:29:17.000 Murderer.
01:29:18.000 Murderer.
01:29:19.000 That's not true. 0.80
01:29:20.000 It's like saying you're a thief because you cut grass.
01:29:29.000 No, it's not murder.
01:29:31.000 It's killing animals.
01:29:33.000 Even in the video, someone's walking by and they're like, they're saying they're murderers.
01:29:37.000 And she's like, they're murdering people?
01:29:38.000 And they're like, no, they're murdering animals.
01:29:40.000 They kind of laugh.
01:29:43.000 A lot of those people are sad.
01:29:45.000 Like a lot of like what you're dealing with with these animal rights activists, they're so engrossed in this struggle.
01:29:53.000 And it's the part of their daily existence.
01:29:55.000 And they're angry and sad.
01:29:57.000 There's one crazy video where this lady goes into this restaurant and she starts yelling in front of everybody about her friend and this beautiful creature that just wants to live.
01:30:09.000 And it's a chicken.
01:30:09.000 She's talking about a chicken.
01:30:11.000 And they're like, my friend the chicken was killed.
01:30:13.000 And it's like, what? 1.00
01:30:14.000 And everybody in the restaurant is like, what the fuck? 1.00
01:30:16.000 I've seen these videos and they'll storm a restaurant. 1.00
01:30:19.000 There'll be like 50 people that go and occupy a steakhouse. 0.96
01:30:22.000 Yeah, here's this crazy lady. 1.00
01:30:29.000 I have a little girl. 0.98
01:30:31.000 She was very abused for her entire life.
01:30:34.000 She was terrified.
01:30:36.000 She has a very determined look in her eyes wherever she goes.
01:30:40.000 And she was hurt and abused her entire life because of this establishment and because of establishments like it.
01:30:48.000 She was locked away.
01:30:49.000 She was hidden.
01:30:51.000 She had nobody there for her.
01:30:54.000 She was crying.
01:30:55.000 She was scared every single moment.
01:30:58.000 Look at the maitre d.
01:30:59.000 What?
01:30:59.000 My girl in the background.
01:31:01.000 Yeah, my girl playing in the background. 0.89
01:31:03.000 Someone was going to murder her.
01:31:05.000 Someone was going to murder her.
01:31:06.000 And I can see you smiling and I can see you laughing.
01:31:08.000 But to her this is not funny.
01:31:09.000 I can see you smiling and laughing.
01:31:11.000 At least they're not busy.
01:31:13.000 Yeah, that's true.
01:31:14.000 That's such a restaurant way of thinking.
01:31:18.000 She would be kind.
01:31:19.000 Just like all of her sisters.
01:31:21.000 Just like everybody who we left behind.
01:31:25.000 And I'm here to tell you today that all of those other girls, but everyone who we left behind, they just wanted to live too.
01:31:34.000 And they deserve their lives.
01:31:37.000 And right now their eggs and their milk and their bodies are all plates inside this restaurant.
01:31:43.000 And that is so unfair to them.
01:31:47.000 It's unfair to those mice.
01:31:50.000 Oh, her name is Snow. 0.99
01:31:54.000 Oh, eggs. 0.98
01:32:01.000 She's a mouse murderer. 1.00
01:32:05.000 It's not food? 0.99
01:32:09.000 Now here they sing it together.
01:32:11.000 Look, they all get together with signs.
01:32:12.000 Oh my god.
01:32:13.000 Look at this.
01:32:16.000 It's not food!
01:32:17.000 It's violence!
01:32:21.000 Okay, cut it short. 1.00
01:32:23.000 You should see the way your cunt little bird Snow fucks up a worm, you crazy bitch. 1.00
01:32:29.000 Fucks up mice. 1.00
01:32:30.000 Throw a mouse in the cage. 1.00
01:32:31.000 No Snow, only grain!
01:32:33.000 Oh, this guy's amazing. 1.00
01:32:35.000 Snow's like, fuck you, that guy's funny. 1.00
01:32:35.000 This guy's amazing. 1.00
01:32:36.000 So, yeah, there's like...
01:32:37.000 You know, I get that there's protesting, and it's our fundamental right to protest and have freedom of speech and have these things, but that's not protesting.
01:32:47.000 That's disrupting a business.
01:32:48.000 Yeah, it's not the place for it.
01:32:50.000 That's harassment. 0.95
01:32:50.000 Look, the best place for something like that is really what we just saw, a video. 0.95
01:32:55.000 Make a video about your thoughts.
01:32:57.000 You know, if you...
01:32:59.000 I mean, if they honestly think that what you're doing is wrong, like, this is what...
01:33:03.000 Something like YouTube is for.
01:33:05.000 Make a video where you state your case.
01:33:08.000 Or come and talk to me.
01:33:08.000 They didn't even come and talk to me.
01:33:10.000 They showed up my restaurant with signs.
01:33:11.000 But at least with a video, you leave the comments open and then people debate. 1.00
01:33:15.000 They decide whether or not they agree or disagree or you fucking crazy asshole. 1.00
01:33:19.000 Let that snow loose. 1.00
01:33:21.000 Watch what she does. 1.00
01:33:22.000 Watch what she does to every fucking bug she finds. 1.00
01:33:25.000 She's a murderer. 1.00
01:33:25.000 She's not a vegetarian. 1.00
01:33:27.000 Your fucking chicken's not a vegetarian. 1.00
01:33:29.000 It's just not. 1.00
01:33:31.000 You know, people like vegetarian fed.
01:33:32.000 Well, then you got a sick chicken because that's not what they're supposed to eat.
01:33:35.000 Yeah.
01:33:35.000 Same like cats.
01:33:36.000 Cats need meat.
01:33:37.000 You can't feed a cat a vegan diet.
01:33:39.000 Well, you can.
01:33:39.000 It's one of my bits.
01:33:40.000 I have a bit about it.
01:33:41.000 Do you really?
01:33:41.000 It's fucking hilarious because of something that I found online when someone was angry at me.
01:33:46.000 When someone was angry at me, I went to her page and one of the things said, hashtag vegan cat. 0.97
01:33:51.000 I went, oh, Jesus.
01:33:53.000 I think I heard that was illegal.
01:33:55.000 It should be.
01:33:56.000 Animal rights people will come and take your cat. 1.00
01:33:58.000 We'll talk about that later.
01:33:59.000 I don't want to do my bit.
01:34:00.000 I'm doing a comedy special soon.
01:34:02.000 But the problem with this is that, as we said before, it becomes like a contest.
01:34:09.000 It becomes like a battleground.
01:34:12.000 That's my concern.
01:34:13.000 It's like, how does this end?
01:34:14.000 How do we bridge the gap?
01:34:16.000 How do we get people? 1.00
01:34:16.000 How do they stop fucking with you? 1.00
01:34:18.000 I have no idea. 0.99
01:34:19.000 Well, their thing is they want us to put a sign in our window that says that we're mistreating animals and animal lives are their right.
01:34:28.000 And they say this extortion, if we put this sign in our window, they're going to go away.
01:34:32.000 Well, we're not doing anything wrong.
01:34:33.000 Nothing we're doing is illegal.
01:34:35.000 We're not infringing on anyone's rights.
01:34:36.000 Have you talked to them at all?
01:34:38.000 Have you gone outside?
01:34:39.000 So, no.
01:34:40.000 We had one of our managers go outside and they just screamed at her. 0.70
01:34:44.000 What did they scream? 0.95
01:34:45.000 I think just murder her. 1.00
01:34:46.000 What about snow? 1.00
01:34:47.000 What about my little girl?
01:34:49.000 So, you know, we did send an email trying to, we invited them to go foraging with us.
01:34:53.000 And we talked about our different ideologies and how, you know, they're really far apart, but maybe we can come to some kind of understanding.
01:35:00.000 And, you know, at the time they didn't respond.
01:35:03.000 They didn't respond for a while.
01:35:04.000 And, you know, now I don't think, you know, I don't think that anything good would come of that meeting at this point.
01:35:13.000 So what do you do?
01:35:16.000 How's business, by the way?
01:35:18.000 Business has always been good for us.
01:35:19.000 We were very lucky.
01:35:21.000 Well, it sounds like you have a great restaurant.
01:35:23.000 I mean, I'm sure that's part of it.
01:35:24.000 Thank you.
01:35:24.000 Thank you.
01:35:24.000 But we've had some international recognition.
01:35:28.000 I've done a lot of traveling in the last year.
01:35:30.000 I've been to five continents in the last year, two of them cooking.
01:35:33.000 I went to Abu Dhabi with – there's a company called IMG. If you know them, they own the UFC now.
01:35:38.000 They have a culinary department, and they run these festivals called Taste.
01:35:43.000 And our first year opening, we were part of this Taste Festival.
01:35:47.000 And I didn't even know there was a competition going on.
01:35:50.000 These people came by and they were like, oh, we're judging this competition and we want to try your food.
01:35:54.000 And I was like, I think these people are trying to get some free food out of me.
01:35:58.000 They were like, yeah, you can win a trip to Abu Dhabi.
01:36:00.000 And I was like, oh, okay, whatever.
01:36:02.000 And we actually won.
01:36:03.000 And they sent me to Abu Dhabi to compete against 11 other chefs from around the world.
01:36:09.000 It was amazing.
01:36:10.000 It was incredible.
01:36:11.000 And then from there, I think six or eight months later, there was a festival in Australia.
01:36:17.000 So they brought me to Australia to cook in Western Australia at this event called the Gourmet Escape.
01:36:23.000 Really, really cool event and it was down the road from a deer farm and we were putting on a lunch and dinner for 200 people.
01:36:31.000 So we actually roasted two whole deer asado style over open fire.
01:36:36.000 Where'd you do that?
01:36:37.000 Right in the woods.
01:36:38.000 It was incredible.
01:36:39.000 There's photos on my Instagram at antlerkitchenbar on Instagram.
01:36:46.000 There's photos of this asado.
01:36:50.000 It was super, super, super cool.
01:36:52.000 What does that mean, asado?
01:36:53.000 Asado is, I think it's the Argentinian cooking style, and it's a whole animal that's kind of split down the middle and kind of like filleted across.
01:37:01.000 There it is.
01:37:01.000 Yeah, there it is.
01:37:02.000 Whoa! 0.71
01:37:02.000 And it's really cool. 0.71
01:37:04.000 So pig is probably the best one to do it with because of the fat content.
01:37:08.000 Deer and lamb and stuff like that, you kind of have to baste it to keep it moist.
01:37:11.000 How do you regulate temperature when it comes to something like this?
01:37:13.000 Just by stacking up the wood?
01:37:15.000 Just by stacking up the wood and kind of how far it's leaning on it.
01:37:17.000 How do you know how to do it?
01:37:19.000 Just practice, just playing around, having fun.
01:37:22.000 Just low and slow.
01:37:23.000 Have you done this before, many times?
01:37:24.000 Yeah.
01:37:25.000 So we do it at the restaurant.
01:37:26.000 I do it in my backyard a lot.
01:37:27.000 I actually did it for my wedding.
01:37:28.000 We did two pigs for my wedding.
01:37:30.000 I'm like poking the fire in my suit. 0.92
01:37:32.000 That's so graphic.
01:37:33.000 It's great.
01:37:34.000 Yeah, that got a lot of hate.
01:37:35.000 There was a bunch of hate on that.
01:37:38.000 But it's food.
01:37:40.000 People want to disconnect themselves from where it's coming from.
01:37:44.000 But anyway, back to your question.
01:37:45.000 Business has always been good.
01:37:46.000 And business is business.
01:37:46.000 There's good days and bad days.
01:37:48.000 Right now, there's a lot of attention on Antler, a lot of media attention on Antler.
01:37:51.000 So we're a little bit busier than normal right now.
01:37:54.000 Get ready after this podcast. 0.99
01:37:56.000 Shit's going to get crazy. 0.99
01:37:57.000 It's going to be nuts down there. 1.00
01:37:58.000 And there's going to be a bunch of people on your side, too.
01:38:01.000 Hopefully nothing bad happens.
01:38:03.000 People don't get into anything physical or even start shouting at each other.
01:38:07.000 Yeah, but the shouting stuff was happening.
01:38:10.000 But yeah, hopefully, you know, this will kind of all smooth out and people can learn to get along and live together.
01:38:17.000 Yeah, well, it doesn't seem like that's what they want, though.
01:38:19.000 It seems like what they want is for you to bend their demands.
01:38:22.000 I mean, that's like what a lot of this is when it comes to change, you know, when it comes to people wanting change.
01:38:28.000 They want you to change.
01:38:30.000 And they want their right, and they want you to admit you're wrong.
01:38:33.000 And this is a real problem with something that's complex.
01:38:37.000 Yeah, and the funny thing was, like, we've had vegan and vegetarian items on our menu since 2015 when we opened.
01:38:44.000 And so I think it was like the second or third week they came, we thought, okay, we're going to feature one of our vegan dishes on the sign, and hopefully, like, that makes them happy.
01:38:53.000 And so we feature one of our vegan dishes on the sign.
01:38:56.000 And then we saw from their online post that they thought that we made their posts where we made them change a meat dish to a vegan dish.
01:39:04.000 We have to keep pushing them.
01:39:05.000 And it was so frustrating.
01:39:06.000 Like, no, you guys don't know who we are.
01:39:09.000 Well, that's exactly what I'm talking about.
01:39:11.000 It becomes a contest or a battleground, an ideological battleground.
01:39:16.000 This thought that they're making you change.
01:39:19.000 They want you to change.
01:39:21.000 I saw a video once where people were mad at me, too, and they were like, he's listening, so he's open to change.
01:39:28.000 No, I'm listening because I want to hear your perspective.
01:39:31.000 You're not right.
01:39:33.000 And I'm not right.
01:39:34.000 It's like we have our own perspectives.
01:39:36.000 And I'm not going to change.
01:39:38.000 If I change, it's because of the evidence and because of thinking and careful consideration.
01:39:42.000 And I've done that.
01:39:43.000 I've done a lot of thinking.
01:39:44.000 I've done a lot of careful consideration.
01:39:47.000 And that's what led me to becoming a hunter in the first place.
01:39:50.000 Yeah.
01:39:51.000 How did you start hunting?
01:39:52.000 Steve Rinella took me out.
01:39:54.000 I had been thinking about it for a long time.
01:39:56.000 And the main reason I had been thinking about it was because of those PETA videos. 1.00
01:40:00.000 Those fucking horrific factory farming videos. 0.99
01:40:02.000 I was like, I don't want to eat that. 1.00
01:40:04.000 I don't want to be a part of this.
01:40:05.000 I want to figure out how to not.
01:40:06.000 So I started buying grass-fed mead and I tried to figure out a way to get around it.
01:40:11.000 And I really started getting very, very interested in hunting.
01:40:15.000 But I didn't know how to start.
01:40:16.000 I didn't know where to start.
01:40:18.000 And...
01:40:19.000 We were filming a Fear Factor episode at Tone Ranch.
01:40:22.000 This is a 270,000 acre ranch in the middle of the country.
01:40:25.000 Wow.
01:40:25.000 Middle of the state, rather.
01:40:27.000 And they were saying that they have wild pigs there, and they would teach you how.
01:40:33.000 And so that was something that I had considered before I met Rinella.
01:40:37.000 And when I met Rinella, he took me on a hunt for his TV show, and I shot a mule deer, and we ate it that night over the fire, and I said, that's it.
01:40:44.000 I'm a hunter.
01:40:45.000 I'm like, that's it.
01:40:46.000 The cool part about hunting is nothing goes to waste.
01:40:49.000 So I take the hides to a guy to have them tanned.
01:40:52.000 So I actually made a knife roll out of one of the hides.
01:40:54.000 I have an apron out of one of the hides.
01:40:56.000 My wedding ring has antler in it.
01:40:59.000 Yeah, that's pretty cool.
01:41:00.000 I'm proud of that one.
01:41:01.000 That's crazy.
01:41:01.000 Um, and yeah, and I use all the bones to make a stock.
01:41:04.000 And then when I, you know, a lot of the cuts, uh, and one of the reasons I want to write this book is to teach hunters how to use those tough cuts.
01:41:11.000 One of my favorite parts of, uh, of the deer and different animals is the neck and the neck has got all this really super flavorful kind of gelatinous meat kind of in between the cartilage and stuff like that.
01:41:22.000 Uh, and you make a stew with that stuff and it is unbelievably tasty.
01:41:26.000 Um, and And a lot of guys, when they go hunting, they kind of breast out the birds and they leave their little legs and they don't really know how to cook the legs of a turkey or a duck.
01:41:36.000 So that's one of the reasons why I want to write this book and to really educate people how to use those tougher cuts that can be kind of tricky to cook.
01:41:43.000 Rinella has a couple of good books on that, and one of the things that he's really into is making shanks and asabuco out of braising things.
01:41:51.000 And he's also a big advocate of not wasting anything.
01:41:55.000 That's why he's into organ meat, loves liver, and we ate liver over the fire that night.
01:42:00.000 Oh, so good.
01:42:00.000 I had turkey feathers in my little boutonniere on my wedding day from a turkey.
01:42:04.000 Oh, look at you.
01:42:05.000 Yeah, it was neat.
01:42:05.000 It was really cool.
01:42:07.000 Well, it's one of the reasons why it's so kind of crazy that you're the guy that they picked on and not the butcher shop across the street or not some burger joint down the street that's getting factory farmed meat.
01:42:18.000 You do have a respect and appreciation for the wildlife.
01:42:22.000 But this ideological battleground on their side, it doesn't leave any room for giving in.
01:42:28.000 There's no room for reasons.
01:42:31.000 You're either an animal murderer or you're the most amazing person ever because you're vegan. 0.66
01:42:37.000 Go vegan. 0.96
01:42:38.000 It's a new thing in terms of first world problems and first world countries.
01:42:44.000 I mean, people have been eating vegetarian dishes forever.
01:42:46.000 But in terms of being ideologically rabid about your You know, your position.
01:42:53.000 This is very new.
01:42:55.000 It's within the last couple of decades.
01:42:57.000 Yeah.
01:42:57.000 It's unfortunate because we've had a lot of support from our community and Canada and the international community.
01:43:04.000 And we're actually getting support from other vegans and vegetarian people writing to us and saying, hey, these aren't our beliefs.
01:43:11.000 We're really sorry what you're going through.
01:43:13.000 You know, you have our support.
01:43:14.000 And some of our customers are actually vegan.
01:43:17.000 And they come for, like, vegetarian risotto and, like, mushroom risotto that they know are, like, you know, really cool wild mushrooms that you can't buy in the store.
01:43:24.000 So, you know, it is unfortunate.
01:43:27.000 It's kind of sad.
01:43:29.000 But, you know, we're just going to continue, you know, being who we are.
01:43:32.000 And hopefully that, you know, like, none of them have actually come in for dinner, you know?
01:43:37.000 Of course they're not going to.
01:43:38.000 You're carving up deer in the front window, man. 1.00
01:43:42.000 You fucking murderer! 1.00
01:43:45.000 So you're right in the middle of this right now, which is kind of interesting to talk to us about. 1.00
01:43:50.000 This is not like after the fact.
01:43:51.000 It's all going down right now.
01:43:52.000 It's still going on.
01:43:53.000 They're coming back weekly.
01:43:55.000 But at this point, it's like dinner and a show.
01:43:58.000 People want to see it.
01:43:59.000 People are requesting the window table.
01:44:01.000 Well, guess what?
01:44:03.000 Fans of this podcast, they're going to want a front row seat.
01:44:07.000 There's a lot of freaks out there listening to this that are going to want to be there for the freak show.
01:44:12.000 Well, Toronto, it's only about an hour and a half drive from Buffalo at the border. 1.00
01:44:17.000 Make it across, you fucks. 0.99
01:44:19.000 Take a flight if you're into the cold. 0.99
01:44:22.000 Is there anything else you'd like to tell people?
01:44:24.000 What is your website?
01:44:25.000 How can people go and check it out?
01:44:27.000 Yeah, so antlerkitchenbar.com is the website.
01:44:31.000 There it is.
01:44:33.000 Scroll down, Jimmy, so you can see a look at some of that yummy murder.
01:44:37.000 So that deer dish?
01:44:38.000 Whoa, dude.
01:44:39.000 You put a skull on the table with all that stuff?
01:44:41.000 So that platter, that charcuterie platter, is all the meat from that deer.
01:44:44.000 Wow.
01:44:45.000 And the terrine on the side, the little square piece, was actually meat from that skull.
01:44:50.000 So I braised that skull, turned the meat into a terrine from the tongue and the cheek, and then served.
01:44:56.000 That was actually at the game dinner that the newspaper did.
01:44:58.000 When are you heading back to Toronto?
01:45:01.000 Friday.
01:45:01.000 So I'm here visiting with family, and then I'm back in town.
01:45:03.000 Do you have access to a freezer?
01:45:05.000 Yes.
01:45:06.000 I have two commercial freezers in the back.
01:45:08.000 I want to give you some elk.
01:45:09.000 Oh, dude.
01:45:09.000 That is amazing.
01:45:10.000 Thank you.
01:45:11.000 From that elk right there.
01:45:11.000 Thank you so much.
01:45:12.000 That's an honor, man.
01:45:14.000 Oh, cool.
01:45:14.000 I'll cook it with my dad this week.
01:45:15.000 Please do.
01:45:16.000 Yeah, thank you.
01:45:16.000 Take pictures, and I'll put it up on Instagram.
01:45:18.000 100%, man.
01:45:19.000 Awesome.
01:45:19.000 Oh, beautiful.
01:45:20.000 I love it.
01:45:20.000 Sweet.
01:45:21.000 I love it.
01:45:21.000 All right.
01:45:22.000 Sweet.
01:45:22.000 So, yeah, Antler Kitchen, antlerkitchenbar.com, at the Hunter Chef, at antlerkitchenbar, all that kind of stuff you can find me.
01:45:28.000 And what is your Instagram?
01:45:30.000 My Instagram is at thehunterchef.
01:45:32.000 At thehunterchef.
01:45:32.000 Okay.
01:45:33.000 Thanks, man.
01:45:33.000 It was a lot of fun.
01:45:34.000 I really appreciate it.
01:45:34.000 Thank you so much.
01:45:35.000 And I hope this all works out.
01:45:36.000 And angry vegans, please.
01:45:39.000 I know where you're coming from, but this is the wrong fight.
01:45:43.000 It really is.
01:45:45.000 The battle is factory farming.
01:45:47.000 That's the real battleground.
01:45:49.000 And this is the most ethical version of what you're opposing. 1.00
01:45:55.000 And I think there's a healthy, comfortable middle ground for the 99% that aren't fucking idiots. 1.00
01:46:01.000 I really do. 0.99
01:46:03.000 And I hope we can find it.
01:46:05.000 Thank you. 1.00
01:46:06.000 Alright, fuckers. 0.99
01:46:07.000 Be nice to each other. 1.00
01:46:08.000 Bye!