The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1106 - Colion Noir

00:00:03.000 How do I pronounce your name?

00:00:05.000 Coleon Noir.

00:00:06.000 Coleon?

00:00:07.000 Yeah.

00:00:07.000 Okay.

00:00:08.000 Now, there's a conspiracy out there.

00:00:10.000 Okay.

00:00:12.000 I made this name up.

00:00:13.000 Yeah, we'll talk about that.

00:00:14.000 We'll talk about that.

00:00:15.000 We're live already?

00:00:16.000 How'd you do that so quickly?

00:00:18.000 Oh, you're a wizard.

00:00:20.000 What's the conspiracy about your name?

00:00:22.000 Your name is Coleon Noir.

00:00:24.000 What's the conspiracy about your name?

00:00:25.000 That I made it up to hide who I really was. 1.00

00:00:27.000 Oh, some CIA type shit. 0.98

00:00:29.000 Yeah, like everybody gets to have like pseudonyms except for me. 0.99

00:00:32.000 When you're talking about guns, you don't get to have pseudonyms.

00:00:34.000 Did you have a different name?

00:00:36.000 Yeah, my name's Collins.

00:00:38.000 Oh, okay.

00:00:39.000 So you did change your name.

00:00:41.000 Yeah, I did.

00:00:41.000 But there's a conspiracy behind you changing your name.

00:00:44.000 But that's not real.

00:00:45.000 You just decided you wanted a different name.

00:00:47.000 I got into guns and I wanted to start watching gun videos.

00:00:50.000 And so I wanted to make a YouTube channel.

00:00:53.000 And I didn't want to use my real name because I thought that wasn't cool enough.

00:00:56.000 And so I said...

00:00:57.000 You thought your name wasn't cool enough?

00:00:58.000 No, I didn't want to...

00:00:59.000 That's such an African-American thing.

00:01:01.000 Yeah, pretty much.

00:01:01.000 Yeah, I mean, I know comedians have changed their names, like Earthquake.

00:01:05.000 Yeah.

00:01:06.000 You don't know who Earthquake is? 1.00

00:01:08.000 Fucking hilarious comedian, man. 0.99

00:01:10.000 He's hilarious. 1.00

00:01:12.000 But a white dude couldn't call himself Earthquake.

00:01:14.000 Yeah, he could.

00:01:15.000 Nah.

00:01:15.000 You could, but nobody would...

00:01:17.000 A wrestler.

00:01:18.000 Oh, there's a wrestler named Earthquake?

00:01:19.000 But that's different.

00:01:20.000 That's different.

00:01:21.000 He's probably a big giant guy, right?

00:01:24.000 So, what's your original name?

00:01:26.000 What's your actual full original name?

00:01:28.000 I'll give you my first name.

00:01:29.000 I just don't want to make it easy for people to show up at my house.

00:01:32.000 Collins.

00:01:33.000 Collins is my real name.

00:01:34.000 That's a fine name.

00:01:36.000 Something wrong with that name.

00:01:36.000 No, there's nothing wrong with it.

00:01:37.000 Why'd that name bother you to the point where you didn't want to have it on...

00:01:41.000 No, I just thought it'd be more fun to just come up with a pseudonym for my YouTube channel.

00:01:45.000 I didn't start my YouTube channel thinking, all right, I'm going to start this channel and I'm going to build this whole brand behind it.

00:01:51.000 No, it was just...

00:01:53.000 You did it for fun.

00:01:53.000 Yeah.

00:01:54.000 One of my friends, he called me Killer Coleon.

00:01:58.000 That was kind of a little nickname that I had.

00:02:00.000 And so I was like, okay, we'll just use Coleon.

00:02:02.000 And then I'm like, I'm always in black.

00:02:04.000 Why did he call you Killer Coleon?

00:02:05.000 I have no idea.

00:02:07.000 I talked to him to this day and I still don't know why he called me that.

00:02:10.000 Yeah, there's nicknames, man, that just happen sometimes.

00:02:12.000 Now, there is a rapper in Houston by that name.

00:02:16.000 Killer Coleone?

00:02:17.000 Coleone, yeah.

00:02:17.000 Oh, okay.

00:02:18.000 Yeah.

00:02:19.000 So I don't know if maybe he listened to him, and then my name Collins, and then Coleone, and so forth and so on.

00:02:24.000 Yeah, so.

00:02:26.000 So how did you get wrapped up with the NRA? So we should cover a couple of things here today.

00:02:33.000 We'll do the origin story.

00:02:34.000 Yeah, so you're kind of like a spokesperson for the NRA. Not official spokesperson.

00:02:39.000 Not official.

00:02:40.000 Unofficial.

00:02:40.000 No, I am.

00:02:41.000 You are a member of the NRA? Do they recognize you?

00:02:44.000 Do they appreciate you?

00:02:45.000 How does that work?

00:02:46.000 Okay, so the way it started, I mean, I'm going to start from the beginning.

00:02:50.000 Okay.

00:02:51.000 So I had a friend of mine, a good friend of mine, who called me up one day and was like...

00:02:57.000 Do you want to go shooting?

00:02:58.000 And I was like, because at the time, I really wasn't pro-gun.

00:03:02.000 And this was about, I was around 23, 24?

00:03:05.000 I'm 34. So this is 10 years ago.

00:03:07.000 Yeah.

00:03:08.000 And I hesitated a little bit because my background growing up, like, I didn't grow up with guns in the house.

00:03:16.000 No one in my family had a gun.

00:03:17.000 And for me, the idea and the notion of being a young black male with a gun, it's always...

00:03:22.000 I saw it through, exactly, through the lens of, you know, gangbanger, drug dealer, so forth and so on.

00:03:28.000 So that's the mindset I had with respect to firearms.

00:03:32.000 Unconsciously, right?

00:03:33.000 I didn't even realize, I wasn't even conscious of it until I started getting into this very heavy and realized, okay, wow, I was thinking like that, didn't realize it.

00:03:40.000 And so, but at the same time, I told myself, Why am I afraid of essentially what is an inanimate object, right?

00:03:50.000 So I think to myself, I'm like, all right, I really don't want to go.

00:03:53.000 I'm a little terrified, but you know what?

00:03:55.000 I'm going to go ahead and do it.

00:03:57.000 And so I remember getting to the range.

00:04:00.000 We get to the range, and we walk into the door, and then I hear the door for where the actual bays are, and I hear the pop, pop, pop go off.

00:04:08.000 And I'm like, holy crap, this is actually happening.

00:04:10.000 And so I kind of had this nervousness, but I'm with my friend, right? 0.99

00:04:13.000 And so I don't want my friend to feel like, okay, you're acting kind of like a bitch, right? 1.00

00:04:18.000 So I kind of kept it to myself. 0.99

00:04:21.000 We get to the counter.

00:04:22.000 We do all the paperwork that, you know, requisite paperwork, liability forms, all that.

00:04:27.000 And he has his gun.

00:04:28.000 We get some ammo.

00:04:29.000 We go to the lane.

00:04:30.000 I remember it was the very last lane.

00:04:32.000 It was, maybe the range was Top Gun in Houston.

00:04:35.000 And so we go to the very last range.

00:04:37.000 He gives me kind of like a brief instruction about how to shoot the gun, how to load it, so forth and so on.

00:04:42.000 And so at that point, I remember picking up the gun, terrified, not knowing what to expect, not knowing what was going to happen.

00:04:48.000 So I remember picking it up.

00:04:50.000 It was a little Taurus PT-11, PT-111 Millennium in.40 caliber.

00:04:55.000 And this was a subcompact.

00:04:57.000 Probably not the best first time shooting guns. 1.00

00:05:00.000 It's a big fucking gun. 0.99

00:05:01.000 Well, the gun itself was small, but the caliber, exactly. 1.00

00:05:04.000 Powerful.

00:05:04.000 Yeah.

00:05:05.000 A lot of kick.

00:05:05.000 Exactly.

00:05:06.000 So my experience, if anybody who watched that as a gun person would be like, oh, this is not going to end well.

00:05:13.000 So I remember standing at the bay and taking the gun and pointing it and shooting it.

00:05:20.000 And I remember just the concussive force, the explosion, the gun dancing in my hand. 0.73

00:05:26.000 And I was like, holy crap, that was terrifying. 0.87

00:05:30.000 Then I shot it again. 1.00

00:05:33.000 I'm like, I like this shit. 0.99

00:05:37.000 And the weird thing is, and not in the way that most people think, the nerdy aspect of my brain kicked in. 1.00

00:05:42.000 I'm like, holy crap, I'm taking this projectile and I'm launching it, right? 0.91

00:05:47.000 Several feet. 0.87

00:05:49.000 And I just, because the second shot allowed me to realize what just happened.

00:05:54.000 I just contained an explosion in my hand.

00:05:57.000 Right.

00:05:58.000 I'm like, if you don't find that amazing, you don't have a pulse.

00:06:01.000 It's amazing.

00:06:03.000 The thing that people are bothered by is what comes with it and how people use it. 0.98

00:06:09.000 And I think an analogy that's a fair analogy but people reject is driving cars and a lot of these fucking psychos that have been running over people in the street. 0.98

00:06:19.000 I mean, it just happened again in Berlin. 0.99

00:06:21.000 Yeah.

00:06:22.000 Somewhere in Somewhere in Germany, some guy ran a bunch of people over and then blew his brains out.

00:06:27.000 It's an object, right?

00:06:29.000 It's a thing that you use.

00:06:31.000 And I'm a huge car guy too.

00:06:32.000 I am as well.

00:06:33.000 Yeah, I love cars.

00:06:34.000 I mean, if someone said we have to ban cars because people started running people over with cars, they'd be like, well, okay.

00:06:40.000 I think we're dealing with a whole bunch of problems.

00:06:44.000 And there's a bunch of things that I think we could probably agree on.

00:06:48.000 One of the things we can agree on is all these mass shootings are horrific.

00:06:52.000 Absolutely.

00:06:52.000 They're terrifying.

00:06:54.000 It's an evil, terrible thing that...

00:06:58.000 Here's another thing.

00:06:59.000 No NRA members are doing that. 0.89

00:07:01.000 That's one of the things that's really kind of fucked up about people getting angry at the NRA. We've never had a mass shooting. 0.81

00:07:07.000 Ever.

00:07:09.000 That that I can recall, that was done by an NRA member?

00:07:12.000 I looked.

00:07:12.000 I tried to find one.

00:07:13.000 I can't find a mass shooting that was perpetrated by an NRA member.

00:07:18.000 And I think it's—so the biggest problem that a lot of gun owners, especially NRA members, have is people—like, the conversation that's being had is— Basically coloring or actually forgetting the human element behind those three letters.

00:07:33.000 Like the NRA isn't like this demigod that just sits in the cloud of Olympia and it is just one big guy that's just orchestrating this entire thing.

00:07:41.000 You're talking five million people.

00:07:43.000 Yeah.

00:07:44.000 Right?

00:07:44.000 Like, I'm a member.

00:07:46.000 I'm a gun owner, right?

00:07:47.000 That's who I am.

00:07:49.000 Along with five million other people who are that way.

00:07:51.000 And then there are a ton of other people who think they're NRA members and aren't.

00:07:54.000 And then a ton of other people who probably don't mind being NRA members.

00:07:57.000 They just haven't gotten around to doing it and getting a membership.

00:07:59.000 Yeah.

00:08:00.000 And the vast majority of those people, and I'm saying that just to be safe, they're good people.

00:08:06.000 I think there's quite a few good people.

00:08:09.000 The people that have perpetrated all these mass shootings...

00:08:13.000 Are definitely not good people.

00:08:14.000 But what's wrong with them?

00:08:16.000 Well, I'll tell you what's not wrong with them.

00:08:18.000 Guns.

00:08:18.000 It's not guns that are wrong with them.

00:08:20.000 They use the guns to express what's wrong with them.

00:08:24.000 And everybody wants to look at the object, which I get.

00:08:28.000 What's easier?

00:08:29.000 Well, it is easier, and it's something that everyone's pointing to.

00:08:32.000 Like, why do you need an AR-15?

00:08:34.000 Why do you need this?

00:08:35.000 Why do you need that?

00:08:37.000 These are good questions.

00:08:38.000 Why do you need these things? 0.99

00:08:39.000 Why do I need that fucking samurai sword over there? 1.00

00:08:41.000 I don't. 0.99

00:08:41.000 It's like, what do you need? 0.99

00:08:44.000 And that's another thing, too, though.

00:08:46.000 And I've said it before, I think we are a victim of our own success in this country.

00:08:50.000 I do think this is the greatest country in the world.

00:08:53.000 But the problem with that is this country was built on an ideological foundation that I think aids in our ability to be as great as we are.

00:09:02.000 But we live in a world now where people don't see the necessity for something that was never supposed to be seen through the lens of necessity in the first place.

00:09:11.000 The Second Amendment doesn't give me a right.

00:09:13.000 It preserves something that already existed.

00:09:15.000 But what happens is we have a culture of people who look at the Second Amendment as a privilege.

00:09:21.000 Not a right.

00:09:22.000 They look at it as a privilege.

00:09:23.000 So that's why they say, well, why do you need that?

00:09:25.000 Well, why do you need more than 10 rounds?

00:09:26.000 Why do you need this?

00:09:27.000 Why do you need that?

00:09:28.000 And I'm like, first of all, we're framing the entire conversation under need when that's not what the Second Amendment is about.

00:09:35.000 It's a right that I've already had.

00:09:37.000 It's a natural right that I had the moment that I stepped foot on this earth as a person.

00:09:41.000 The right to self-defense is universal.

00:09:44.000 Yeah, and, you know, people say, okay, it's a right, but obviously there's a problem, so we have to do something about it, so you're going to have to give up your guns.

00:09:52.000 This is the common conversation, and it's very flippant, and it's not well thought out, and there's no consideration whatsoever to mental health issues.

00:10:03.000 Mm-hmm.

00:10:04.000 I think that's the primary problem.

00:10:08.000 I've been saying this from the get-go.

00:10:10.000 I think it's the primary problem.

00:10:11.000 I think it's a mental health issue.

00:10:12.000 And people say, oh, that's simplifying it.

00:10:15.000 I don't think it is.

00:10:16.000 I think it's the opposite.

00:10:17.000 I think it's ignored.

00:10:19.000 Look, There's something wrong when you have this many people on mental health medication, and then when you look at the number of mass shooters, it's almost universal.

00:10:30.000 Almost every single one of them is on some sort of psychiatric medication.

00:10:33.000 But that's not a part of the narrative.

00:10:35.000 That's not a part of the conversation.

00:10:37.000 The conversation is always get rid of guns.

00:10:38.000 Now, I don't want crazy people to have guns, and I don't think you do either.

00:10:43.000 No, I don't.

00:10:46.000 Outside of taking away the rights to have guns from normal law-abiding people like yourself and myself, I have guns, what do we do?

00:10:57.000 Okay.

00:10:58.000 So first of all, I think we need to frame the conversation into specifics, right?

00:11:02.000 You're a lawyer, right?

00:11:03.000 I am.

00:11:03.000 Okay.

00:11:04.000 So you understand bills and amendments and law.

00:11:08.000 Okay.

00:11:08.000 Yeah.

00:11:09.000 And so I think, one, we're lumping the entire conversation into one category, right?

00:11:14.000 If we're going to talk about school shootings, let's talk about school shootings.

00:11:17.000 Okay.

00:11:18.000 Right?

00:11:18.000 So the first thing I say is, because one thing a lot of people on the side like to say is, well, you guys just don't want any gun laws, and you say no to everything, but you have no solutions.

00:11:29.000 Well, that's true.

00:11:29.000 But to stand up for that...

00:11:32.000 It's because all they want to do is take away the guns.

00:11:35.000 They're saying, let's take away the guns.

00:11:36.000 You're saying, we're not going to take away the guns.

00:11:38.000 You guys just don't want to get your guns taken away.

00:11:40.000 Yes, you're right.

00:11:41.000 You're right.

00:11:41.000 No one wants to get their guns taken away.

00:11:43.000 And then I get labeled a monster as a result of saying that.

00:11:45.000 Exactly. 0.99

00:11:45.000 You want kids to die. 0.99

00:11:46.000 And it's a fucking real sneaky conversation. 1.00

00:11:49.000 It's disingenuous as hell. 0.99

00:11:50.000 Yes, it is.

00:11:51.000 And the odd thing about it is it's...

00:11:55.000 Anybody who's paying attention to the discourse and the way it's happening, especially on social media, right?

00:12:00.000 Anybody who follows my Twitter account knows this.

00:12:04.000 Multiple occasions, I've tried to have a rational conversation with people who are on the complete opposite side of my spectrum of this issue.

00:12:13.000 Is there any of this online, like debates or anything like that?

00:12:15.000 Well, no, I mean, it's just...

00:12:17.000 On Twitter.

00:12:17.000 Tweets going back and forth.

00:12:18.000 You can't do anything rational on Twitter.

00:12:20.000 You can't.

00:12:21.000 Occasionally you can, and it's a goddamn miracle. 0.99

00:12:22.000 Yeah, it is. 0.97

00:12:23.000 The clouds part, people being friendly.

00:12:25.000 The funny thing is, you want to see me flustered?

00:12:27.000 Yeah.

00:12:28.000 Respond to me rationally when...

00:12:31.000 Because I'm always, you know, I have this guard up, right?

00:12:33.000 Right, right, right, of course.

00:12:34.000 And I actually have to check myself about that a little bit because how am I any better than the people on the other side if I have the same energy that they have towards me?

00:12:44.000 That's a very good point.

00:12:44.000 And so I've started, you know what, let me, because I can be incredibly snarky.

00:12:49.000 Like, I can.

00:12:51.000 And it's partly due because of my friends. 1.00

00:12:54.000 They're all assholes. 1.00

00:12:55.000 Right. 1.00

00:12:56.000 They just are.

00:12:58.000 Like, all the friends I grew up with, I grew up arguing with a group of guys who, when they were losing it logically, they went to jokes.

00:13:05.000 Right.

00:13:06.000 Sounds like a man.

00:13:07.000 Yeah, pretty much, right?

00:13:08.000 It took me a second to realize it, because I was the one in law school, right?

00:13:11.000 I was the one that was going to law school, pre-law, all that stuff.

00:13:14.000 So everything I did was focused and centered through the idea of logic, logic, logic.

00:13:18.000 You're not making any sense, and then I'll crack a joke.

00:13:20.000 And then everyone's laughing.

00:13:21.000 And I realized, there's some power to that.

00:13:23.000 Right.

00:13:24.000 You know, humor.

00:13:25.000 I mean, you should know something about that.

00:13:26.000 Yeah, for sure.

00:13:27.000 Yeah.

00:13:28.000 And so I took on some of those qualities in the way that I advocate for firearms, you know, because it can be a little disarming.

00:13:36.000 But the disarming aspect of it could be beneficial because it causes people to drop their guard a little bit.

00:13:41.000 Right.

00:13:41.000 And then when you drop your guard, you can take in information more objectively.

00:13:45.000 Right.

00:13:53.000 Yeah.

00:13:57.000 Yeah.

00:13:59.000 Yeah.

00:14:01.000 Yeah.

00:14:05.000 The ability to steal when no one's looking. 0.99

00:14:07.000 The ability to shit on someone with no eye-to-eye contact, no social repercussions, no... 0.98

00:14:13.000 You know, you're not feeling anything from that person. 0.99

00:14:15.000 You say something rude to them, they're not in front of you, so you don't feel terrible saying it.

00:14:19.000 Yeah, no, it's...

00:14:21.000 I'm not going to lie.

00:14:22.000 So, Twitter is a dirty place. 0.96

00:14:25.000 It's a dirty place.

00:14:27.000 But it's a great place too sometimes. 0.81

00:14:28.000 It is.

00:14:29.000 It has its benefits, right?

00:14:30.000 I think there's some really good conversations to be had on Twitter and I've had really interesting moments on Twitter where I've learned a lot about things, where people have sent me links and I've retweeted them and I've learned a lot of things.

00:14:43.000 But it's hard sometimes, man, because there are so many people that are just unreasonable and they're not good at communicating and they're not happy people.

00:14:52.000 They're not, man.

00:14:53.000 There's a lot of people out there that just aren't happy, man.

00:14:56.000 And to be honest with you, I didn't realize it until I got to the notoriety that I am now.

00:15:02.000 Well, you're in a weird space because you're in the space of defending guns, you know?

00:15:06.000 And I'm black. 0.71

00:15:07.000 Yeah.

00:15:08.000 And I'm relatively young.

00:15:09.000 Yeah.

00:15:10.000 There's a lot going on there.

00:15:11.000 And you're a lawyer.

00:15:12.000 Well, they tend to disregard that.

00:15:14.000 Well, they should probably pay attention.

00:15:16.000 Well, it doesn't matter because I'm advocating also with...

00:15:21.000 Certain three letters behind me that they automatically assume is the devil.

00:15:24.000 Now, how does the NRA feel about you?

00:15:26.000 Do you know?

00:15:27.000 I mean, do you have conversations with them?

00:15:29.000 Are they saying good job?

00:15:30.000 Are they pleased?

00:15:31.000 Oh, I mean, as far as I can tell, they are.

00:15:34.000 We still have the relationship we have.

00:15:36.000 It's very much a very symbiotic relationship.

00:15:38.000 It's a weird one right now because it's like, this is what I hear from the NRA. I hear Coleon, and then I hear Ted Nugent.

00:15:47.000 Those are the two that I hear.

00:15:50.000 I've got to be honest, I'm not the biggest fan of Ted Nugent's rhetoric, but I do know where it's coming from.

00:15:57.000 But then again, I didn't grow up listening to Ted Nugent.

00:16:00.000 That's not my demograph.

00:16:02.000 But at the same time, Ted Nugent is still an individual, and people fail to understand that.

00:16:08.000 We may be monolithic on the issue of firearms, but we're not monolithic in the way we go about expressing that.

00:16:13.000 Well, he's right about things.

00:16:15.000 Just because someone's outrageous doesn't mean they're not right.

00:16:19.000 Have you ever seen the debate that he had in a gun store with Piers Morgan?

00:16:26.000 No, the funny thing is That dude is incredibly bright.

00:16:30.000 He's a smart guy. 0.99

00:16:30.000 He's just crazy. 0.99

00:16:31.000 He's smart as hell. 1.00

00:16:32.000 I don't even think he's crazy.

00:16:33.000 I do. 1.00

00:16:34.000 Listen, you can only kill so many things before you lose your fucking marbles. 1.00

00:16:38.000 Ted lives on a fucking ranch in Texas where it's all fenced in. 1.00

00:16:43.000 He's just shooting all animals. 1.00

00:16:44.000 He hunts every day. 1.00

00:16:46.000 He's a psycho. 0.97

00:16:47.000 And I don't, with all due respect, I'm a big fan of Stranglehold. 0.89

00:16:50.000 So where's the line of demarcation between hunting too much and not hunting enough?

00:16:56.000 In terms of crossing over that line into a sociopath.

00:17:00.000 Well, I'm just joking about that because I'm a hunter.

00:17:02.000 I mean, it really depends entirely upon what he's doing with the meat.

00:17:05.000 And I know he gives it to hunters for the hungry.

00:17:07.000 I know he gives it to neighbors and friends.

00:17:10.000 And there's nothing wrong with that.

00:17:12.000 And he actually has...

00:17:15.000 He has an obligation to be the steward of his land because he has a lot of exotics and stuff. 1.00

00:17:21.000 I'm just totally joking around.

00:17:22.000 Oh, no, I know.

00:17:23.000 But when you listen to his conversation with Piers Morgan, which Piers Morgan takes that flippant, left-wing, knee-jerk, reactionary, you know, we have to ban guns. 1.00

00:17:35.000 Yeah, he's a cunt. 0.99

00:17:36.000 And when he's on with Ted... 1.00

00:17:39.000 Ted just knew everything about the actual facts.

00:17:43.000 When you start running around with statistics of gun violence, he's like, do you know how many of those people were bad guys that were shot by cops?

00:17:49.000 Do you know how many of those people were people that were shot when they were breaking into people's homes?

00:17:53.000 Do you know how many of those people were people that were killed in self-defense?

00:17:56.000 There's a lot.

00:17:57.000 It's not.

00:17:57.000 And do you know how many of those people, when you talk about gun violence, how many of those people were suicide?

00:18:02.000 There's a lot.

00:18:02.000 Keep in mind, that's recent.

00:18:04.000 Suicide.

00:18:04.000 Well, no.

00:18:05.000 So here's what happened.

00:18:07.000 So when I started getting really deep into the advocacy component of it, everyone was screaming, 30,000 people a day die from gun violence, 30,000 people a day.

00:18:16.000 That's what they were running with, right?

00:18:18.000 And they were scaring all the suburban house moms. 0.99

00:18:20.000 Oh my gosh, we got to do something about gun control.

00:18:22.000 We got to do something about guns.

00:18:24.000 So I jumped into the pool and I just like something doesn't seem right about that figure, right?

00:18:30.000 I'm not saying I'm the one who put this out there.

00:18:32.000 What did you think was wrong about it?

00:18:32.000 It seemed inflated.

00:18:35.000 It seemed inflated.

00:18:36.000 I don't know what it was.

00:18:37.000 It's on a subconscious level.

00:18:38.000 Or maybe it was me looking for a confirmation bias, right?

00:18:41.000 Because I felt the way I did about firearms.

00:18:43.000 I'll be honest and say that. 0.98

00:18:44.000 And so what I did is I kind of researched a little more and I realized, holy shit, over 65% of that 30,000 is suicides. 0.99

00:18:54.000 65%. 0.99

00:18:54.000 Is that real? 0.99

00:18:55.000 Yeah.

00:18:55.000 Jesus Christ.

00:18:56.000 So what is that, like 18,000 people a day shoot themselves?

00:19:00.000 Man.

00:19:01.000 Something crazy like that?

00:19:01.000 But what do we say at the top of the show?

00:19:03.000 Man, people are miserable, man. 0.99

00:19:04.000 That's a fucking crazy number, though, man. 1.00

00:19:05.000 That's a Kevin Hart concert. 0.99

00:19:08.000 Yeah, pretty much.

00:19:09.000 All together.

00:19:10.000 Good night, everybody!

00:19:12.000 Blam! 0.78

00:19:13.000 That's really what it is.

00:19:15.000 18,000 people. 0.99

00:19:16.000 That's fucking incredible. 0.99

00:19:17.000 But then it begs the question that you brought up before, the mental health aspect. 0.97

00:19:21.000 How many lives would we actually save if we took the same energy we applied to just making guns evil and trying to ban guns and take that energy and put it towards understanding why, as a society,

00:19:37.000 we have a society.

00:19:39.000 That is so eager to really not want to be here anymore.

00:19:43.000 Expand that a little bit more because we have all the guns in the universe here in America, right?

00:19:49.000 Compared to any other country.

00:19:51.000 But yet, our suicide rates should be exceedingly higher than all the other countries that don't have as many guns.

00:19:57.000 But it's not the case, right?

00:19:59.000 You look at the UK, you look at Japan.

00:20:01.000 Japan has double our suicide rate.

00:20:03.000 Does it really? 0.61

00:20:03.000 Hell yeah. 0.61

00:20:04.000 Double?

00:20:04.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:20:05.000 Wow, so 60,000 people a day in Japan or whatever the fuck? 0.92

00:20:08.000 It's per year. 0.98

00:20:09.000 Smaller.

00:20:09.000 Not every day.

00:20:10.000 It's every year.

00:20:11.000 Yeah, per year.

00:20:12.000 Annual.

00:20:12.000 123. What did I say, a day?

00:20:14.000 There you go, complaining numbers again. 1.00

00:20:16.000 I fucked up. 0.99

00:20:18.000 Did I say a day earlier? 0.99

00:20:19.000 Or did I say a year earlier?

00:20:20.000 A day.

00:20:21.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:20:22.000 Oh, okay.

00:20:23.000 30,000.

00:20:24.000 Yeah, why did I say a day?

00:20:25.000 30,000 a year doesn't sound that bad.

00:20:27.000 There's 300 million people.

00:20:29.000 Oh, yeah.

00:20:30.000 So you were thinking about it predicated on a daily basis.

00:20:33.000 No, no, no, no.

00:20:34.000 Annually.

00:20:34.000 Annually 30,000 people.

00:20:35.000 I don't know why I thought that.

00:20:35.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:20:36.000 But that doesn't make any sense.

00:20:37.000 Why would I think that?

00:20:38.000 I think he might have said it on accident, too.

00:20:40.000 Oh, really did I? Yeah.

00:20:42.000 Okay, we won.

00:20:44.000 Yeah, 30,000 people die from gun violence.

00:20:47.000 They call it gun violence, right?

00:20:48.000 But in reality, you break those numbers down.

00:20:50.000 65% of those are suicides.

00:20:53.000 And about 5% of those are, goddammit, I think justified homicides, including times when cops shoot someone in self-defense and it's justified, right?

00:21:04.000 And self-defense shooting, so forth and so on.

00:21:06.000 Do they count times when cops really shouldn't have shot somebody but did and got away with it?

00:21:10.000 I'm pretty sure they do.

00:21:12.000 Yeah.

00:21:12.000 I'm pretty sure they do.

00:21:13.000 But even then, that number would be exceedingly marginal comparatively, right?

00:21:18.000 So then you have the remaining number, which are – and then you have like three to five – No, I think it was 15% are justified.

00:21:24.000 3-5% are accidents.

00:21:28.000 3-5% is a lot.

00:21:29.000 Yeah, no, it's 900 people a year, right?

00:21:33.000 So, and I tweeted this.

00:21:35.000 I said, again, if we focused on firearm safety education...

00:21:43.000 That number would drop in half.

00:21:47.000 It might. 0.99

00:21:47.000 But you're not going to fix the intelligence level of the humans that are fucking around with guns. 0.99

00:21:53.000 That's why you underestimate how those people are dying accidentally. 0.95

00:21:57.000 Because there are a lot of people who don't understand basic gun safety within that 900. It's a lot of them.

00:22:04.000 When you see some of the accidents that happens with firearms, they're easily mitigated by just simply knowing the four rules of firearm ownership.

00:22:12.000 And when you get into the gun community, like, as a whole, like, when you follow that rabbit, like, we are, we're crazy about gun safety.

00:22:19.000 You put your finger on a trigger in a picture? 0.99

00:22:23.000 We're slaughtering you. 0.97

00:22:24.000 Not literally, but you know what I mean? 0.98

00:22:26.000 I know what you're saying.

00:22:26.000 We're going to hold you accountable.

00:22:27.000 I have a friend who has so many guns, he doesn't know how many guns he has.

00:22:30.000 I'm like, how many guns you have, man?

00:22:31.000 I don't know how many guns I have.

00:22:32.000 My friend Justin.

00:22:33.000 I know you're listening.

00:22:34.000 He's a legit gun nut.

00:22:36.000 And great guy.

00:22:38.000 Yeah.

00:22:38.000 And I don't know how many guns I have either.

00:22:40.000 Right? 1.00

00:22:41.000 Fucking crazy person. 1.00

00:22:42.000 I mean, hell, I mean, I guess so. 1.00

00:22:45.000 I mean, but then again, I didn't shoot my first gun until I was, what, 23, 24?

00:22:49.000 Yeah.

00:22:50.000 So did I just become crazy all of a sudden?

00:22:52.000 I think I was about the same age.

00:22:54.000 Yeah?

00:22:54.000 Well, I think I shot one when I was real young, and I definitely shot one in camp when I was like...

00:23:01.000 I guess I was probably 12. Yeah.

00:23:02.000 But I didn't count that.

00:23:04.000 I shot my first handgun when I first came to California.

00:23:07.000 And I might have been...

00:23:08.000 Really?

00:23:09.000 How ironic.

00:23:10.000 Yeah.

00:23:11.000 Well, what's ironic is it's way easier to get a gun here than it is in New York.

00:23:15.000 I lived in New York. 0.98

00:23:16.000 It's fucking hard to get a handgun in New York. 0.99

00:23:18.000 Almost impossible. 0.99

00:23:19.000 In here, it was easy.

00:23:21.000 Legally, you mean?

00:23:21.000 Yeah, legally.

00:23:22.000 Oh, legally.

00:23:22.000 Okay.

00:23:23.000 Well, yeah.

00:23:24.000 I mean, illegally.

00:23:25.000 Yeah, because...

00:23:26.000 No, I mean, when I came here, it was 1994. I guess maybe 1993, 1994 I bought a gun.

00:23:35.000 And I was like, I can't believe it.

00:23:36.000 I just buy a gun.

00:23:36.000 You remember what you bought?

00:23:37.000 They just did a check.

00:23:37.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:23:38.000 I bought a.38 Special.

00:23:42.000 I bought a Walter PPK. And I bought a Glock 9mm.

00:23:46.000 All right, man, good taste.

00:23:48.000 Man, good taste.

00:23:49.000 I'm a fan of those.

00:23:50.000 I'm a fan of the PPK as well.

00:23:51.000 Yeah, it's a cute little gun. 0.99

00:23:53.000 Well, when I first came to California, I'd heard all this crazy shit about drive-by shootings and gang violence. 0.99

00:23:58.000 I just thought it was just going to be a fucking war zone out here. 0.99

00:24:00.000 I mean, but the funny thing about it is it's... 0.98

00:24:03.000 Your natural disposition was, I need something to protect myself.

00:24:06.000 It's such a natural thought process.

00:24:08.000 I don't know why we've perverted it to this deal where it's like something has to be wrong with you if you have that mentality or that mindset.

00:24:13.000 Well, there's a lot of people that haven't experienced real violence.

00:24:18.000 If you experience real violence and you've seen what happens when you have a terrible person around people that aren't terrible.

00:24:27.000 That's a reality that people don't like to face and they don't like to look at the other side of the coin.

00:24:32.000 Like whenever there's an instance where there's a shooter and the shooter gets taken out by someone who's a trained, a person who's trained with firearms and knows tactics.

00:24:44.000 Nobody wants to talk about that.

00:24:45.000 That just gets brushed off.

00:24:46.000 There's not a balanced conversation to be had.

00:24:49.000 There isn't.

00:24:49.000 The interesting thing is, I have a group chat.

00:24:53.000 When stuff like that does happen, they write it off as just anomalies.

00:24:56.000 How's that an anomaly?

00:24:58.000 That's exactly what it's supposed to be used for. 1.00

00:25:00.000 Again, like I said, confirmation bias and cognitive dissonance is a bitch. 0.99

00:25:05.000 We all suffer from it to an extent. 0.99

00:25:07.000 For sure.

00:25:08.000 But when you add in the component of fear, for a lot of people, they don't necessarily hate guns.

00:25:14.000 They hate the consequences of being shot or someone they love being shot.

00:25:18.000 Exactly.

00:25:18.000 And one of the things about it is, though, you know, those people never put themselves in a position of being the shooter.

00:25:24.000 Right.

00:25:24.000 They always put themselves in a position of being the victim of a shooting.

00:25:27.000 So that's why you get, well, why do you need that?

00:25:30.000 Because they don't see it as, OK, this allows me to better defend myself.

00:25:34.000 Right.

00:25:34.000 They look at it from the perspective of, well, if you're able to have that, then you might use that against me.

00:25:40.000 There's that, and there's also the looming specter of the mass shooter. 0.96

00:25:45.000 It's just so fucking common these days. 0.94

00:25:47.000 It seems like every three or four months, there's a new instance. 0.98

00:25:51.000 How many times does it happen? 1.00

00:25:53.000 Perception is a bitch. 0.98

00:25:55.000 Okay, but the reality is, the absolute reality is, they have happened, they are horrific, and there's more of them here than anywhere else in the world. 0.99

00:26:07.000 That's reality.

00:26:08.000 But here's another interesting reality.

00:26:11.000 So when you say that, you're talking about the developed world, correct?

00:26:15.000 Because that's usually the caveat they like to put in.

00:26:17.000 Well, there's no mass shootings in the undeveloped world. 0.99

00:26:20.000 People don't just go into a fucking mall and shoot people up. 0.98

00:26:23.000 What's interesting is it's very rare. 0.99

00:26:26.000 I think it happens more than people realize.

00:26:28.000 It just doesn't get reported on.

00:26:30.000 Think about it.

00:26:31.000 How many people die in Chicago on a weekend over a weekend that doesn't get reported?

00:26:35.000 That's true.

00:26:35.000 And we live in America where we have complete access to information.

00:26:38.000 That is true.

00:26:39.000 But it's a different kind of violence because it's people that are actively trying to get people that are actively trying to get them.

00:26:45.000 It's gang violence.

00:26:46.000 Whereas school shootings are complete innocent.

00:26:49.000 School shootings are the worst, right? 1.00

00:26:50.000 Because it's a child and some fucking psycho decides to make the most noise possible by going into a school and shooting it up. 1.00

00:26:57.000 That's the scariest and the worst. 1.00

00:26:59.000 For most people.

00:27:00.000 For most people.

00:27:01.000 When you think about gang violence, you say, well, that's violence, it's terrible that people got shot, but it's people that are trying to shoot each other.

00:27:07.000 Alright, so then when I tell you that the remaining homicides in this country, right, at 30,000 number that I gave you annually, over 80% of that is gang violence.

00:27:18.000 That's crazy too.

00:27:19.000 Think about that.

00:27:20.000 I believe you.

00:27:21.000 But when you see Sandy Hook, when you see Parkland, when you see the shooting in Colorado, Aurora, in the movie theater, when you see these mass shootings, these are what terrify people.

00:27:33.000 People are not necessarily terrified of the gang violence in Chicago. 0.98

00:27:36.000 I'm going to Chicago in a couple of months, and not one fucking person has brought up, hey man, that place is a war zone. 0.97

00:27:42.000 Everybody's like, oh, I love Chicago. 0.98

00:27:44.000 You're going to get deep dish pizza?

00:27:45.000 That's because you're white. 0.97

00:27:46.000 Is that what it is? 0.83

00:27:47.000 Yeah.

00:27:49.000 They know I'm not going to the South Side.

00:27:50.000 Dude, see, that's the thing.

00:27:52.000 I just went to Chicago.

00:27:53.000 I was just in Chicago before I was here.

00:27:54.000 And they were like, were you locked and loaded?

00:27:56.000 Did you wear a vest?

00:27:56.000 Yes!

00:27:57.000 I'm dead serious.

00:27:58.000 I got all those questions.

00:27:59.000 When I said I was going to Chicago, those were the first things people told me.

00:28:03.000 Now, granted, I did go to South Side.

00:28:04.000 I did film in South Side.

00:28:05.000 Yeah, we did.

00:28:06.000 Were you nervous?

00:28:07.000 Were you walking around?

00:28:08.000 Hell yeah, I was nervous.

00:28:09.000 I'm not Superman, man.

00:28:10.000 So when you're walking around, are you strapped?

00:28:11.000 Not in Chicago, because it's illegal for me to be.

00:28:14.000 That's what's crazy, is that Chicago has really strict gun laws, and they don't work at all.

00:28:19.000 I was driving down a road where there were like six, seven, eight dudes who jumped in front of the car when we were driving down, because we didn't look like we belonged there, and I'm positive every single one of them had a gun.

00:28:30.000 They jumped in front of the car?

00:28:31.000 Well, they didn't lob their bodies in front of the car, but, you know, You see a car that's unfamiliar driving down the side street.

00:28:37.000 So they try to stop you?

00:28:38.000 They didn't try to stop me.

00:28:40.000 I think they're trying to figure out who the hell we were.

00:28:41.000 They just got a better look at you.

00:28:42.000 Or they were just trying to serve us.

00:28:44.000 Oh.

00:28:44.000 Yeah.

00:28:45.000 So it's kind of one of those things.

00:28:46.000 Right.

00:28:47.000 But then again, when you're driving down the side street in South Chicago with GoPros on a car.

00:28:51.000 Yeah.

00:28:52.000 Oh, that's true, too.

00:28:54.000 Yeah.

00:28:54.000 Right, right.

00:28:55.000 So you kind of have that.

00:28:57.000 So...

00:28:58.000 We all agree that gun violence, especially in terms of mass shootings, is one of the biggest problems that we have in terms of a horrific public image problem.

00:29:28.000 Thanks.

00:29:29.000 Consider the death of innocence to be one of the most egregious and horrific deaths.

00:29:33.000 Absolutely.

00:29:33.000 So I think we both agree on that.

00:29:34.000 Absolutely.

00:29:35.000 So that's 100% across the board, I think, with any decent person.

00:29:39.000 These mass shootings are horrific.

00:29:41.000 I think, in my opinion, the number one aspect of the argument that's not being discussed is the mental health aspect of it.

00:29:50.000 Are you opposed to more screening of people to get guns?

00:29:56.000 Yes and no.

00:29:57.000 Yes and no.

00:29:58.000 Yeah.

00:29:58.000 Okay.

00:29:59.000 Yes, in an ideal world, if we can minority report it and figure it out.

00:30:03.000 I don't mean minority report.

00:30:04.000 I mean, just check to see if they're on mental health medication.

00:30:08.000 But I mean, we currently have...

00:30:09.000 Well, see, here's the thing.

00:30:10.000 There's a slippery slope with that, too.

00:30:11.000 So what would constitute somebody being on mental health medication that's prohibitive?

00:30:15.000 What if I deal with anxiety?

00:30:17.000 If I'm on Zans, prescribed, does that prevent me from holding a firearm?

00:30:21.000 It's a good question.

00:30:22.000 In California, for the longest time, they were trying to make it if you had a medical marijuana card, you couldn't have a firearm.

00:30:27.000 I think they were doing that federally.

00:30:29.000 I think that was a federal thing, that if you had a legal medical marijuana card, that they were trying to prevent people from...

00:30:38.000 They're trying to cripple the medical marijuana industry because they knew that people wanted guns. 0.93

00:30:42.000 Because, to be honest, it's intellectually dishonest.

00:30:45.000 If I can go to the store with a gun on me and buy alcohol...

00:30:49.000 Right.

00:30:50.000 Like, and you know me, I don't even smoke.

00:30:53.000 Right.

00:30:53.000 Right?

00:30:53.000 But let's just be honest about it.

00:30:56.000 Like, alcohol, weed, I mean, I think utilizing that as a prohibitive means to own a firearm, I think is...

00:31:03.000 That is true, but if you were... 0.98

00:31:06.000 Under the influence of some of the shit I got in this studio. 0.99

00:31:09.000 Well, no, no, no. 1.00

00:31:10.000 And then you'd be super paranoid and pulled it under a gun.

00:31:12.000 I didn't say under the influence.

00:31:15.000 Right.

00:31:15.000 Because all the marijuana card does is allow you to buy it.

00:31:18.000 No, 100%.

00:31:19.000 But I'm saying that is an issue if you're under the influence and you have a gun.

00:31:22.000 Mm-hmm.

00:31:23.000 Right?

00:31:23.000 Yeah, but I'm allowed to.

00:31:24.000 But you go to my house right now, I have all types of whiskeys at home.

00:31:27.000 Right.

00:31:28.000 Yeah, but if you're under the influence, right?

00:31:30.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:31:31.000 So I can't carry a firearm and then be drunk.

00:31:34.000 Right.

00:31:34.000 You shouldn't be drunk with a gun.

00:31:36.000 You shouldn't be high as fuck with a gun. 0.99

00:31:38.000 Neither one of those are good ideas. 1.00

00:31:40.000 And nor should you be driving.

00:31:41.000 Right.

00:31:42.000 Nor should you be driving.

00:31:42.000 So should you be on Xanax with a gun?

00:31:44.000 That's the question I don't know the answer to because I've never had Xanax.

00:31:48.000 Exactly.

00:31:48.000 Me neither.

00:31:49.000 I don't know what it's like, but I do know that there's been people that have killed people when they were on Xanax.

00:31:55.000 That guy in Vegas, the shooter in Vegas, that guy was on anti-anxiety medication.

00:32:01.000 I didn't know that.

00:32:03.000 Chris Cornell was on anti-anxiety medication when he killed himself.

00:32:07.000 Look, it's got a profound effect on some individuals, and it's not uniform.

00:32:13.000 The way it affects you, it might affect Jamie different.

00:32:16.000 It's a different thing.

00:32:17.000 I mean, I know tons of people who are on it.

00:32:19.000 Yeah, I do as well.

00:32:20.000 Yeah, and they respond, like you said, they respond to it differently.

00:32:23.000 Yeah, and I know tons of people who are on it will also drink while they're on it, which you're not supposed to do.

00:32:28.000 Yeah, and that's not good either.

00:32:33.000 So, screening.

00:32:34.000 With the screening component, right?

00:32:35.000 You've got to be careful because what it then does, it's like...

00:32:39.000 It becomes a de facto way of preventing people to own firearms arbitrarily, right?

00:32:43.000 So it's like, oh, well, you have anxiety.

00:32:45.000 Or even somebody who's maybe dealing with PTSD. Not everybody dealing with PTSD is a potential murderous, ravenous, evil person who's just going to go out and kill people.

00:32:55.000 So with the screening component, that's why I say yes or no, right?

00:32:58.000 If you can find a way to establish a mental screening component But even then, no, because there's a due process aspect to it as well, right?

00:33:09.000 So you can't prevent me from owning – you can't prevent me from exercising a right if I haven't done something to absolve myself from being able to do that legally, right?

00:33:19.000 Okay. 0.99

00:33:19.000 So what if they come to your house and you've got – Let's say you've got like a cork board up and you got all these pictures of schools and fucking arrows pointing to the emergency exits and plans of how to block things off and then pictures of Jodie Foster and pictures of serial killers up everywhere and you're on anti-anxiety medications and the cops talk to you and you're fucking squirrely as hell. 0.99

00:33:44.000 You haven't done anything though. 0.97

00:33:47.000 Arrest me then.

00:33:48.000 If you can't arrest me for a crime or possibly attempting it, because the legal standard is like taking substantial act to commit a crime.

00:33:58.000 Even though you don't do it, that's attempted.

00:34:00.000 Did you hear about the kid that got kicked out of school?

00:34:03.000 What was the school?

00:34:04.000 He was an Asian kid, dyed his hair blonde, started collecting bullets, got a semi-automatic rifle. 0.99

00:34:11.000 His friends started freaking out.

00:34:12.000 They called the cops.

00:34:13.000 Cops came to visit him.

00:34:14.000 He bought another rifle.

00:34:16.000 And I believe they deported him.

00:34:18.000 They deported him for reasons not having to do with the firearms.

00:34:20.000 They deported him for reasons that he wasn't actually going to school anymore.

00:34:24.000 He was on a green card or a visa, I believe. 0.99

00:34:26.000 But the way the sheriffs were framing it was they deported him because they wanted this fucking psycho out of the country. 0.99

00:34:31.000 And they think that they might have prevented a crime. 0.99

00:34:33.000 They probably did, but they still had to establish a legal basis for deporting him.

00:34:38.000 But all they had was that he didn't go to class.

00:34:41.000 I mean, that's something you've done, I've done.

00:34:44.000 Yeah.

00:34:44.000 I mean, everybody's...

00:34:45.000 But then again, he wasn't a citizen.

00:34:47.000 Right.

00:34:47.000 So that was the requirement for him to continue to be here.

00:34:50.000 But it was really...

00:34:51.000 It was kind of like how they got Al Capone.

00:34:53.000 They got Al Capone by tax evasion, not by way of...

00:34:56.000 Right, right, right.

00:34:57.000 But he really had guns and was acting crazy.

00:35:01.000 And that's why the kids that were friends with him called...

00:35:04.000 And that's why they acted and they just found that loophole.

00:35:08.000 Yeah.

00:35:08.000 So what do you do with someone like that?

00:35:10.000 Other than, I mean, this guy, we had something.

00:35:13.000 What if this kid was still going to school?

00:35:15.000 I mean, it'd be pretty bad.

00:35:18.000 Yeah, it'd be pretty bad.

00:35:19.000 But then again, we still have our laws for a reason, right?

00:35:23.000 We have our inherent rights for a reason.

00:35:25.000 We have due process for a reason.

00:35:27.000 Because if we didn't have those, right, anyone could just come up and say, man, you know what?

00:35:33.000 I saw Colleen Noir on Instagram the other day.

00:35:36.000 He posted a picture of a gun.

00:35:37.000 Then he was, like, cursing people out because they were making fun of him, the water he was drinking.

00:35:41.000 And so, you know what?

00:35:42.000 Somebody needs to go check on him and make sure he's okay.

00:35:44.000 And somebody needs to go and take his guns away from him.

00:35:47.000 There's got to be due process.

00:35:49.000 I appreciate that.

00:35:50.000 And I agree with you.

00:35:51.000 And it's unfortunate in that some people may slip through the cracks.

00:35:58.000 But I can't arrest someone for something that they haven't done yet.

00:36:02.000 Right.

00:36:02.000 You just can't.

00:36:04.000 Well, I agree.

00:36:04.000 And so that's where we are right now.

00:36:06.000 So now we're getting to the complexities, the hard questions, right?

00:36:10.000 What do we do?

00:36:11.000 How do we put something in place to catch the people who do happen to fall between the cracks?

00:36:16.000 Right.

00:36:16.000 So then you go, okay.

00:36:18.000 Try to keep this.

00:36:18.000 Oh, sorry.

00:36:19.000 Yeah.

00:36:19.000 I move a lot.

00:36:20.000 I don't know if you've seen my videos.

00:36:21.000 I'm like, yeah.

00:36:22.000 I'm like, Hydra.

00:36:25.000 The complexities.

00:36:26.000 Yeah, it's a very complex issue, which is why we're not largely not having it.

00:36:30.000 We're having it here because no one wants to have this conversation on the national scene because it's hard and it doesn't make for great soundbite and it doesn't make for good TV. Right?

00:36:40.000 Because that's why I hate doing cable news hits.

00:36:43.000 Because I have two minutes to basically deduce a complex issue that we've been debating for decades, almost centuries.

00:36:50.000 It's the worst.

00:36:51.000 And it's also people talking over each other.

00:36:53.000 And there's one, you know, they have two boxes, one guy here, one guy there.

00:36:56.000 Usually you're not even in the same room together.

00:36:58.000 You're talking through those earpieces.

00:37:00.000 There's a delay.

00:37:01.000 Those things.

00:37:01.000 These are a disaster.

00:37:02.000 They're horrible.

00:37:03.000 It's one of the worst ways to communicate.

00:37:04.000 Which is why I try to establish my platform with my show Noir.

00:37:07.000 I try to have it as a platform that's open to people to come on.

00:37:10.000 Hey, look, you want to come on and discuss this issue?

00:37:13.000 By all means, come do it.

00:37:14.000 Have you had anyone that's like really strict, anti-gun on?

00:37:20.000 Yeah.

00:37:20.000 I had an entire season.

00:37:22.000 So what we did in the season, I think it was two seasons ago.

00:37:25.000 We brought on a young lady and a guy from...

00:37:30.000 I can't remember.

00:37:31.000 But he came on the show.

00:37:33.000 They were anti.

00:37:33.000 And so what we did was he had a roundtable discussion at the end of every episode of my show.

00:37:37.000 And we bring up a specific topic and we discuss it.

00:37:41.000 And so they basically was like two against one, essentially.

00:37:44.000 And so they would talk to me about what their thoughts on on what we talked about in the show or a particular gun control issue.

00:37:50.000 And we had that conversation.

00:37:52.000 Had an individualized sit-down with her as well, and we talked about it, and then took her to the shooting range to shoot for the first time.

00:37:58.000 But that's going to be overlooked.

00:38:01.000 They ignore it.

00:38:02.000 Well, they're probably not even aware of it, because I wasn't aware of it.

00:38:05.000 No, they're aware of it.

00:38:06.000 You think so?

00:38:07.000 The people who need to be aware of it are aware of it.

00:38:08.000 Okay.

00:38:09.000 Because, like, for instance, I bring this point up, and it makes me come across as if, like, I feel some type of way because he didn't mention me, but it's not really that.

00:38:17.000 It just speaks volumes to what I've been pointing at for the longest.

00:38:21.000 They ignore rational discourse.

00:38:24.000 John Oliver did a 20-minute monologue on NRA TV, about NRA TV, right?

00:38:29.000 20 minutes.

00:38:31.000 You know how long a 20-minute monologue is?

00:38:33.000 That's a long time.

00:38:33.000 That's pretty long, yeah.

00:38:34.000 He didn't mention me once.

00:38:36.000 He didn't mention my show.

00:38:37.000 I have three shows on NRA TV. Three shows.

00:38:40.000 And I have the second longest running show on NRA TV. He didn't mention me once.

00:38:44.000 The level of detail that they went into within that monologue lets me know they watched everything on that platform.

00:38:51.000 Okay.

00:38:51.000 They watched it all.

00:38:53.000 And why do you think he left you out?

00:38:54.000 Because it didn't fit the narrative.

00:38:57.000 Right.

00:38:57.000 Also, because he is a progressive guy with glasses who's white, and you really shouldn't say anything negative about black people.

00:39:07.000 How so?

00:39:08.000 But he's not white, though.

00:39:09.000 He's a minority just like me.

00:39:10.000 What is he?

00:39:11.000 I don't know.

00:39:11.000 He's like...

00:39:12.000 John Oliver? 1.00

00:39:13.000 He's white as fuck. 1.00

00:39:14.000 John Oliver's not white. 1.00

00:39:15.000 What is he, then?

00:39:16.000 John Oliver white.

00:39:16.000 If he's not white, I'm not white.

00:39:19.000 What the fuck is he? 1.00

00:39:20.000 What are you, like Italian? 1.00

00:39:21.000 Mostly Italian? 0.93

00:39:22.000 Irish?

00:39:23.000 Yeah.

00:39:23.000 Am I white?

00:39:24.000 If I'm not, what the fuck is? 1.00

00:39:25.000 If I saw you on the street, you are. 0.99

00:39:29.000 In the olden days, I wasn't.

00:39:31.000 My grandparents weren't white. 1.00

00:39:32.000 When my grandparents came over, that guy's white as fuck, bro. 1.00

00:39:35.000 He's white like paper. 1.00

00:39:36.000 Is he?

00:39:37.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:39:38.000 Oh, shit, I'm wrong. 1.00

00:39:39.000 Well, there you go. 1.00

00:39:40.000 What did you think he was?

00:39:41.000 I don't know.

00:39:42.000 I never thought about it.

00:39:43.000 Are you getting him confused with the Daily Show guy?

00:39:45.000 I probably am.

00:39:46.000 Trevor Noah?

00:39:46.000 Nah, not Trevor.

00:39:47.000 I know about Trevor. 0.99

00:39:49.000 Damn, you're right. 1.00

00:39:50.000 Yeah, he's white as fuck. 1.00

00:39:51.000 Damn. 1.00

00:39:52.000 He's a white Englishman. 1.00

00:39:53.000 Man, I'm racist. 0.80

00:39:56.000 But for a guy like that, guys like that have...

00:39:59.000 Here's the thing about progressives, and I like John Oliver.

00:40:02.000 I'm not negative against John Oliver.

00:40:04.000 Although I do think he's doing a show.

00:40:06.000 I've had this perspective up until this point.

00:40:09.000 So I'm going to shut off my belief system and listen to you.

00:40:13.000 And listen to what you're about to say.

00:40:14.000 Because I hadn't thought about this.

00:40:15.000 Because I thought he wasn't white this entire time. 1.00

00:40:19.000 Now he's white as fuck. 1.00

00:40:22.000 I mean, it might not even be why he did it. 1.00

00:40:24.000 He might have found the worst examples, and maybe you were too reasonable.

00:40:28.000 And it doesn't fit the narrative of being funny.

00:40:30.000 I mean, his show, although his show has points, and he makes these very, you know, these clear conclusions, and, you know, but it's funny.

00:40:39.000 It's a funny show.

00:40:40.000 That's the whole thing behind it.

00:40:42.000 But any girl who's dated me knows.

00:40:44.000 Like, I have enough episodes on that platform.

00:40:47.000 You can find some stuff to make fun of me about. 1.00

00:40:50.000 Well, I'm sure they could, but I don't think that's the kind of thing they're trying to make fun of, like individual personalities that say stupid shit. 0.99

00:40:56.000 I think what they're trying to do is point out the disingenuous narrative from the NRA while ignoring the disingenuous narrative from the anti-gun advocates. 0.99

00:41:08.000 Okay.

00:41:12.000 I could possibly see that.

00:41:14.000 I'm trying to be fair and reasonable.

00:41:16.000 Because my mind wants to go, nah.

00:41:18.000 He realized that by mentioning me, right?

00:41:21.000 It's going to pique curiosity with the audience in which he's trying to speak to.

00:41:25.000 So you think that you're too reasonable and too logical and that since you're not like this redneck hee-haw type character that likes to talk about you, it doesn't fit their narrative. 0.98

00:41:35.000 So let's just ignore him and concentrate on the dummies. 0.94

00:41:38.000 Think about it.

00:41:38.000 Right, but the dummies are still real though, right?

00:41:40.000 Yeah, but they have dummies on all sides. 1.00

00:41:43.000 That's true. 0.97

00:41:43.000 But it's pretty easy to find pro-gun dummies. 0.97

00:41:48.000 You can find quite a few of them.

00:41:49.000 I can...

00:41:50.000 Pretty easy to find dummies on the other side as well, too. 0.95

00:41:53.000 For sure.

00:41:53.000 But you wouldn't be looking if you were on that side, right?

00:41:56.000 If you're on the anti-gun side, you're looking for pro-gun dummies. 0.90

00:42:00.000 Pro-gun dummies. 0.69

00:42:01.000 Yeah.

00:42:01.000 Pro-gun dummies are easy to find.

00:42:03.000 They are, right?

00:42:04.000 There's plenty of them right now. 0.99

00:42:05.000 You can go fucking find them on Instagram and Twitter. 0.99

00:42:09.000 There's dummies all over the world. 0.99

00:42:11.000 See, here's the thing, though.

00:42:12.000 The thing about...

00:42:13.000 What John Oliver does.

00:42:15.000 And this is the kind of disingenuous nature of satire.

00:42:19.000 Political satire, I call it the comedian plausible deniability card, right?

00:42:25.000 So you can make a joke about something and then say, oh, it has no influence because it's just a joke.

00:42:31.000 It's not.

00:42:32.000 But he's not saying that, is he?

00:42:33.000 He's not saying it doesn't have an influence.

00:42:34.000 Exactly.

00:42:35.000 He understands the influence it wields.

00:42:37.000 But he can always swipe the plausible deniability card and say, well, no, I wasn't making an actual political statement.

00:42:43.000 Like, I know that there are reasonable people on the other side.

00:42:45.000 No.

00:42:46.000 You're pushing a narrative that has been pushed for decades about an organization that fights for the Second Amendment.

00:42:51.000 The same narrative that's being pushed by groups of people who say the only thing standing in their way We're good to go.

00:43:33.000 What do you do?

00:43:34.000 And then you pull out all of those things that further drive that narrative while ignoring the most popular figure on the platform, which is me, who so happens to be black.

00:43:45.000 So what does that say?

00:43:47.000 It tells me that it was deliberate.

00:43:49.000 I really do want to agree with you and say, you know what?

00:43:52.000 He's white.

00:43:53.000 He didn't want to be seen as attacking the black guy, so forth and so on.

00:43:56.000 I think there's a little of that, but I think there's also he's doing a show.

00:44:00.000 Let me explain how a show works.

00:44:02.000 He's got a team of writers.

00:44:04.000 There's a ton of people back there.

00:44:05.000 They are just trying to be funny. 1.00

00:44:07.000 They're trying to make points, for sure, but they're trying to find stupid shit that they can mock. 1.00

00:44:11.000 And why would they concentrate on the guy who makes sense if they're looking for stupid shit that they can mock? 1.00

00:44:16.000 They're not trying to make a balanced, reasonable argument like maybe we would do right here, right now. 0.99

00:44:19.000 What they're doing is doing a condensed, edited down, very smooth, polished television show where that rant has been dissected and gone over by a team of writers and they have video that corresponds to it and photographs that they go to and they have clips that they show and then they mock the clips.

00:44:36.000 It's a comedy show.

00:44:38.000 They do have a point, but it's a comedy show.

00:44:40.000 Absolutely agree with you.

00:44:41.000 So that's why they didn't go after you, is because maybe you're a lawyer, maybe you're articulate, maybe it is because you're young and black and they just don't feel like it's a smart thing to do. 0.99

00:44:51.000 But it's because they're making a show.

00:44:53.000 I agree with you.

00:44:54.000 Now, let me tell you why my panties are in a ruffle about it.

00:44:56.000 Okay.

00:44:56.000 It's because I understand the influence of that show when people make political decisions.

00:45:00.000 But don't you think it's preaching to the choir, that show?

00:45:02.000 What do you mean?

00:45:03.000 That one?

00:45:03.000 That show.

00:45:04.000 Yeah.

00:45:04.000 John Oliver's show.

00:45:05.000 I think if I had to guess how many people who are watching that show are left-leaning, democratic-leaning, liberal-leaning, I would say it's a giant percentage.

00:45:15.000 Here's the problem, though. 0.98

00:45:16.000 The number of people who come to me and say, I don't deal with the NRA because they're racist and they're a bunch of white rednecks. 0.99

00:45:25.000 Who says that? 0.98

00:45:26.000 Oh, God, I get it all the time.

00:45:27.000 Well, what is the evidence that they point to?

00:45:30.000 They just assume that they're racist?

00:45:31.000 Yeah, that's just it.

00:45:33.000 Because in their attempts to just make a show, right?

00:45:37.000 And I agree with you wholeheartedly.

00:45:39.000 I absolutely agree with you.

00:45:40.000 But we can't undermine how influential that show is at crafting people's thoughts about particular issues and ideologies within this country.

00:45:48.000 Right.

00:45:49.000 And so I stand back and I'm like, man, this is dangerous.

00:45:52.000 Because to me, the Second Amendment is incredibly important.

00:45:55.000 You know what the funny thing is?

00:45:57.000 I thought the monologue was hilarious.

00:45:59.000 He's a funny dude.

00:46:00.000 The monologue is hilarious.

00:46:03.000 I'll give him the monologue.

00:46:04.000 The monologue was funny.

00:46:06.000 Then isn't he a funny dude because he said that funny monologue?

00:46:09.000 He was a funny dude during that 20-minute monologue.

00:46:11.000 Sometimes he's not.

00:46:12.000 You've got to demonstrate consistency.

00:46:15.000 Give me consistency.

00:46:16.000 You give me some consistency, I'll let you drop the ball a couple times here and there.

00:46:19.000 That's fine.

00:46:20.000 But as far as consistency.

00:46:22.000 It's a tough job, the John Oliver guy.

00:46:24.000 He's got a tough job.

00:46:24.000 I think it's incredibly tough.

00:46:26.000 I think comedians don't get enough credit.

00:46:29.000 I'm not sure he's even a real comedian.

00:46:31.000 I mean, is he a stand-up?

00:46:33.000 Is John Oliver his stand-up?

00:46:35.000 Is that the barometer for being a comedian, stand-up?

00:46:37.000 For us.

00:46:37.000 Okay.

00:46:38.000 Yeah, there's a big difference.

00:46:41.000 Stand-up to me terrifies me.

00:46:42.000 The thought of ever having to...

00:46:43.000 Keep in mind, I'll get in front of a million people and talk all day long.

00:46:46.000 But the thought of stand-up...

00:46:49.000 See, I get to cloak some of my humor in seriousness.

00:46:51.000 Right.

00:46:52.000 So it's easier, right?

00:46:53.000 I can do little stuff here and there.

00:46:54.000 Like, oh, he's kind of funny.

00:46:55.000 Well, no, it's only because it's contrasting against something that's serious and you don't expect the humor.

00:46:58.000 Right. 0.98

00:46:58.000 Do you remember the way you felt before you walked into that shooting range and those guns were going off and you're like, holy shit, it's really happening. 0.98

00:47:05.000 Yeah. 0.86

00:47:06.000 Now, think about how you feel now.

00:47:08.000 When you walk into the range, like, I go to the range.

00:47:10.000 Yeah.

00:47:11.000 I go to the range all the time.

00:47:12.000 You know, especially when I was rifle hunting, I would go to the range at least once a month.

00:47:16.000 Yeah.

00:47:16.000 And, you know, got used to it.

00:47:18.000 You go, you hear the bang, bang, bang, you put your fucking headphones on. 1.00

00:47:21.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:47:21.000 You just walk up. 1.00

00:47:22.000 You say hi to everybody that you see there all the time.

00:47:24.000 Everybody's super polite at the range.

00:47:27.000 That's one thing, man. 1.00

00:47:28.000 People are polite as fuck at the range because everybody around you has the ability to kill you. 0.99

00:47:35.000 They're just not. 0.99

00:47:36.000 Everybody around you, especially when, I mean, I was in the rifle section.

00:47:40.000 I've got a.300 Win Mag. 1.00

00:47:42.000 I'll blow a fucking hole in the side. 1.00

00:47:43.000 You're shooting that indoor or outdoors? 1.00

00:47:44.000 Outdoors.

00:47:45.000 Okay.

00:47:45.000 Outdoors.

00:47:46.000 I mean, Jesus, that's a goddamn canon. 0.99

00:47:48.000 And everybody around you's got one of these things, too. 1.00

00:47:51.000 Everybody can kill everybody.

00:47:52.000 And everybody's like, hey man, how you doing? 0.84

00:47:54.000 What's up?

00:47:54.000 How's everybody doing?

00:47:55.000 Everybody's super friendly.

00:47:56.000 Everybody's shaking hands.

00:47:57.000 It's a mutual respect there.

00:47:58.000 But it's interesting.

00:47:59.000 That's an interesting...

00:48:00.000 I mean, that's a weird statement that gets thrown about a lot of times, that a well-armed society is a polite society.

00:48:08.000 There were two times in my life where I felt vehemently insecure.

00:48:13.000 The first time I carried a gun out of my house, in my first MMA class.

00:48:16.000 Oh, yeah.

00:48:18.000 That makes sense.

00:48:18.000 But what I was going to say is, when you go to the gun range a bunch of times, then it becomes normal.

00:48:25.000 It becomes life.

00:48:26.000 That's what stand-up is.

00:48:27.000 Gotcha.

00:48:28.000 Same thing. 0.99

00:48:29.000 I mean, you still can eat plates of dicks on stage on occasion. 0.99

00:48:32.000 You can go south, and it's terrible. 0.99

00:48:34.000 It's one of the worst feelings ever.

00:48:35.000 Your bit about Texas? 0.99

00:48:37.000 Fucking dead on and hilarious. 0.97

00:48:39.000 Oh, were you there? 0.99

00:48:40.000 No, I just saw it.

00:48:41.000 Which bit about Texas?

00:48:42.000 I saw it online.

00:48:43.000 Which bit?

00:48:44.000 About Buc-ee's? 0.96

00:48:45.000 Oh, the lions.

00:48:46.000 About the tigers?

00:48:48.000 People that keep the tigers in the yard? 1.00

00:48:49.000 That shit's true. 0.99

00:48:50.000 And you're basically talking about, we need these people. 1.00

00:48:52.000 Yes. 0.99

00:48:55.000 If shit goes south, we're not fighting wars with people from Santa Monica. 1.00

00:48:59.000 That is true, man. 0.99

00:49:00.000 The people who have never been to Texas do not understand.

00:49:03.000 That is the America of America.

00:49:05.000 We don't play.

00:49:05.000 No.

00:49:06.000 Texas doesn't play. 1.00

00:49:07.000 We are the most arrogant sumbitches on the planet. 1.00

00:49:08.000 It's also like when people think of America, like overseas, they think of like these fucking crazy people with guns that have jacked up trucks that are driving too fast. 1.00

00:49:18.000 The girls have big tits. 1.00

00:49:20.000 The guys are fucking crazy. 1.00

00:49:21.000 That's what we think of. 1.00

00:49:23.000 That's Texas.

00:49:24.000 Yeah.

00:49:24.000 Like, that's not America as a whole.

00:49:27.000 It's Texas is the most exaggerated form of it.

00:49:29.000 Texas houses the most exaggerated form of it.

00:49:32.000 Yes.

00:49:32.000 Well, there's a lot of cool people in Texas.

00:49:33.000 Yeah, Texas is way more diverse.

00:49:34.000 Some of my best friends live in Austin, which is like super left-leaning.

00:49:38.000 Austin is like...

00:49:40.000 California and Texas.

00:49:41.000 It's a little bit, but I think it's a little cooler.

00:49:44.000 It's smaller.

00:49:44.000 But the thing I said about Texas that's true is there's more tigers in captivity in Texas than there are in all of the wild of the world.

00:49:55.000 More tigers in private collections than That's fucking true! 0.96

00:50:00.000 And when I read that, I was like, oh my god, I have to figure out a way to make this funny. 0.99

00:50:04.000 Because it's the craziest fucking statistic I've ever heard in my life. 0.99

00:50:08.000 In people's yards! 0.99

00:50:09.000 I'm not gonna lie to you.

00:50:10.000 I grew up my entire life in Texas wanting a cheetah.

00:50:15.000 I'm pushing you. 1.00

00:50:15.000 A fucking cheetah. 1.00

00:50:16.000 I want a cheetah, dude. 1.00

00:50:16.000 Why'd you want a cheetah? 1.00

00:50:18.000 They're beautiful, man.

00:50:19.000 They are beautiful.

00:50:20.000 They're beautiful, man.

00:50:20.000 And just watch.

00:50:21.000 And the funny thing is, I'd get a cheetah and put it in a yard no bigger than this room and expect to see the beauty of it running.

00:50:26.000 Right. 0.98

00:50:27.000 Well, you know what's also fucked up? 0.99

00:50:28.000 I don't think you're allowed to just feed them animals. 0.99

00:50:31.000 I don't think you're allowed to just let loose a goat and have the cheetah tackle the goat and fuck it up. 0.94

00:50:37.000 I think you have to feed them meat.

00:50:40.000 Like already cured and processed? 0.99

00:50:42.000 Yeah, I don't think you're allowed to have some Wild Kingdom shit go down in your yard. 0.99

00:50:46.000 I don't think they allow that. 0.99

00:50:47.000 I don't know.

00:50:47.000 You did say we only have three pages of law, so...

00:50:51.000 If it's not in those three pages... 0.99

00:50:52.000 Let me say, let me say, don't say shit about tigers. 0.98

00:50:55.000 Order it up, dude. 0.99

00:50:56.000 Order it up.

00:50:57.000 You know, the funny thing about it is, when I got into firearms, I lived in Texas my whole life, and I went, what, 23 years without ever shooting a gun, touching a gun?

00:51:05.000 And when I got into it, the first thing I wanted to do was shoot competition.

00:51:09.000 Right.

00:51:09.000 And so, when you shoot competition, you know...

00:51:12.000 Do you do those competitions like John Wick style, where you go to...

00:51:15.000 Bang, bang, bang. 0.89

00:51:16.000 Thing pops up.

00:51:17.000 Bang, bang, bang. 0.89

00:51:17.000 Yeah, three-gun. 0.89

00:51:18.000 They call it three-gun.

00:51:19.000 Three-gun.

00:51:19.000 Yeah, so basically three-gun consists of three different platforms.

00:51:22.000 A rifle, a shotgun, and a handgun.

00:51:26.000 So how does this competition work?

00:51:27.000 So basically they just set up various courses where you have to utilize one of those three platforms.

00:51:33.000 Some of the courses you utilize all three.

00:51:35.000 And so it's just, you're set to a timer.

00:51:38.000 You gotta clear the course as fast as possible.

00:51:41.000 Oh.

00:51:41.000 Yeah.

00:51:42.000 And the clearing the course is, are you, is there like walls that you have to look behind?

00:51:46.000 Oh, yeah.

00:51:47.000 No, you're, it's only limited by imagination. 0.99

00:51:50.000 Did you ever see that shit where Keanu Reeves was preparing for John Wick 2? 0.99

00:51:53.000 Yeah, I was there. 0.99

00:51:53.000 Oh, you were there? 0.99

00:51:54.000 Well, I wasn't, okay, so I was there, not for that particular video that went viral, but I was there one day when he was training.

00:52:02.000 And so I met him after the fact.

00:52:03.000 How is he?

00:52:05.000 Different.

00:52:09.000 How is he different?

00:52:10.000 He's Spacey.

00:52:15.000 Spacey?

00:52:16.000 Yeah.

00:52:16.000 Interesting.

00:52:17.000 But not in a bad way.

00:52:18.000 It's a very, very calm energy.

00:52:21.000 You know why?

00:52:22.000 Why?

00:52:22.000 That's how he handles being that famous.

00:52:24.000 Gotcha.

00:52:25.000 He just shuts off.

00:52:26.000 I picked up on it immediately.

00:52:28.000 And it wasn't bad.

00:52:30.000 It wasn't a bad thing.

00:52:31.000 It was a good thing.

00:52:32.000 You gotta realize, he's the Matrix guy.

00:52:34.000 That's some over-the-top fame.

00:52:37.000 He hit that Johnny Depp Tom Cruise level of fame and then just became this super chill, mellow guy that can just go through crowds.

00:52:46.000 That guy sits on the subway by himself.

00:52:49.000 That's freaking awesome.

00:52:51.000 Yeah, but there's no obvious outward displays of wealth from him.

00:52:54.000 He's insanely wealthy.

00:52:56.000 When you see him, he's dressed like me.

00:52:58.000 He's got a regular watch on and sneakers. 1.00

00:53:00.000 He's normal as fuck, man. 0.99

00:53:02.000 It's real weird. 1.00

00:53:04.000 He's figured out a way to avoid...

00:53:07.000 There he is, right there. 1.00

00:53:09.000 On the fucking subway, just chilling. 0.99

00:53:10.000 You know, and he looks like a totally normal dude. 0.99

00:53:14.000 Yeah, well, and people freak out.

00:53:16.000 They're like, is that?

00:53:17.000 No, can't be.

00:53:18.000 Like, people ignore him because he's figured out a way to just sort of blend in.

00:53:23.000 Just disappear in plain sight.

00:53:24.000 And then even if you talk to him, he's just normal.

00:53:26.000 Like, everybody that I know that's met him has said the dude's like totally...

00:53:29.000 Look at this.

00:53:29.000 He lets his chick sit down.

00:53:31.000 You know?

00:53:31.000 He said, do you want to sit down?

00:53:32.000 Go ahead.

00:53:32.000 Boom.

00:53:33.000 And he just stands up.

00:53:34.000 Look at...

00:53:34.000 I mean, even the way he's...

00:53:35.000 He's not...

00:53:35.000 No bodyguards.

00:53:37.000 You know what's interesting about his demeanor?

00:53:38.000 And how, like, he doesn't have this sense of entitlement?

00:53:42.000 And I'm bringing it back to the gun thing a little bit.

00:53:46.000 The first time I carried a gun, remember I told you, those were two times where I felt more insecure was my first day in MMA and carrying a gun for the first time. 0.88

00:53:56.000 But carrying that gun for the first time made me realize, holy shit, I'm not the only one. 0.94

00:54:01.000 Right? 0.99

00:54:02.000 So it actually humbled me from the standpoint that knowing that you don't know who you're dealing with.

00:54:08.000 And when you carry a firearm on you, you have the ability to go from zero to 100, like that.

00:54:14.000 And so you develop a respect for that.

00:54:17.000 Also, you start to develop a respect for life as well.

00:54:19.000 Right.

00:54:20.000 Because you understand how fragile, you start to realize how fragile it is.

00:54:22.000 Right.

00:54:23.000 And so for me, I actually became more docile.

00:54:26.000 Like, I don't get road rage.

00:54:28.000 Right.

00:54:29.000 Because I understand, and because I live in Texas, you don't do that.

00:54:33.000 Yeah, that's smart.

00:54:34.000 No, it's not.

00:54:35.000 But I also know that there's so much responsibility that comes with carrying a firearm.

00:54:41.000 It's unreal.

00:54:43.000 And so for people who go out of the means to learn to do it and be able to do it, there's a certain level of respect you have to have for it.

00:54:50.000 Because it comes with a lot.

00:54:51.000 There's certain places you can't go, certain things you can't do, things you have to be cognizant of.

00:54:56.000 So I actually started staying away from certain places because I knew I had a gun on me, and I never want to have to be put in a situation I actually have to go for it.

00:55:03.000 Now, do you wear a gun all the time?

00:55:06.000 If I can do it legally, I am.

00:55:07.000 Really?

00:55:08.000 Yeah.

00:55:08.000 And what is the idea behind that?

00:55:10.000 Is that it's better to have it and not to need it than to need it and not to have it?

00:55:14.000 Yeah.

00:55:15.000 It's no different.

00:55:16.000 It's literally just a part of my routine.

00:55:18.000 Watch, keys, phone, wallet, gun.

00:55:21.000 One in the chamber or no?

00:55:22.000 One in the chamber.

00:55:23.000 Always.

00:55:24.000 Safety on, one in the chamber.

00:55:26.000 The gun I usually carry doesn't, they don't have external safeties.

00:55:29.000 It's just, I carry in a holster.

00:55:31.000 So if you carry in a holster, it shouldn't be an issue.

00:55:34.000 Wow.

00:55:35.000 Yeah.

00:55:35.000 That's interesting.

00:55:36.000 So you just want to be really, really ready.

00:55:38.000 Yeah.

00:55:39.000 You don't want to have to...

00:55:40.000 No.

00:55:41.000 And see, here's the thing.

00:55:42.000 That's progressive.

00:55:43.000 I wasn't always like that.

00:55:45.000 I started off not carrying with one in the chamber.

00:55:47.000 When did you start putting one in the chamber?

00:55:49.000 When I started understanding and trusting the mechanics of a firearm.

00:55:52.000 Because when I started carrying, I knew about guns.

00:55:54.000 I didn't trust the mechanics.

00:55:56.000 Right.

00:55:57.000 So that extra step, you don't feel like it's necessary of like...

00:56:02.000 No.

00:56:02.000 What do you mean in terms of like having a rack to come?

00:56:04.000 Yeah.

00:56:05.000 Well, I understand that.

00:56:06.000 I understand.

00:56:07.000 So I started doing training, right?

00:56:09.000 And I started training with guns and self-defense and stuff like that.

00:56:12.000 And I started realizing, you know, so the gun isn't an end-all be-all, right?

00:56:18.000 It's just a tool that I carry with me that could possibly save my life.

00:56:22.000 I could still die with a gun on me, right?

00:56:25.000 But I started weighing the disadvantages and the advantages of having one in the chamber, right?

00:56:31.000 I might find myself in a situation where, you know what?

00:56:34.000 I have time to, okay, I'm going to buy in here and I have time to rack it and do what I need to do.

00:56:40.000 There may be other times where I won't.

00:56:42.000 But if I already have a round in the chamber, those times where I will have the time and not have the time won't make a difference because there's already one in the chamber ready to go.

00:56:51.000 Yeah.

00:56:51.000 So, from that perspective, as I got more comfortable with the gun and realized, holy crap, the gun never just went off on its own, because there was an inherent fear there, right?

00:57:00.000 It's like, you don't want the gun to go off while it's in your pants.

00:57:02.000 Do you have, like, one of them Kydex holsters that's form-fitted to the gun?

00:57:06.000 Yeah.

00:57:06.000 I have tons of holsters.

00:57:07.000 I have a box full of holsters.

00:57:08.000 I'm sure you do.

00:57:09.000 Yeah, because I review guns and review gear and stuff, so I'm constantly switching, which is a gift and a curse.

00:57:14.000 Because, you know, I never perfect any platform, but you put pretty much any gun in my hand, I can use it decently.

00:57:20.000 Right.

00:57:20.000 Now, when things happen, whenever there's a mass shooting or something, immediately people want to blame gun owners or people that want to protect gun owners and specifically NRA members.

00:57:32.000 This comes down on you sometimes.

00:57:34.000 This always comes down on me.

00:57:36.000 It does, right?

00:57:37.000 Like, they point to you.

00:57:38.000 You're the problem.

00:57:39.000 It comes down on me.

00:57:40.000 You, the people that want guns and the people that don't want regulations and don't want, you know, additional screening.

00:57:46.000 Yeah, because you got to think about it.

00:57:47.000 So, like, the figureheads, when you start talking about Wayne, and so people go after them clearly, right?

00:57:54.000 But then also you have the personalities of the brand, which is me, Dana, and...

00:58:00.000 Dana Lash.

00:58:01.000 Yeah, Dana Lash, right?

00:58:02.000 She's an official spokesperson, right?

00:58:04.000 Very nicely.

00:58:04.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:58:05.000 And then you have Cam Edwards.

00:58:07.000 Been on his show as well.

00:58:08.000 Exactly.

00:58:09.000 And so what tends to happen is I get it a lot via social because that's how I built my brand.

00:58:15.000 I built my brand through social.

00:58:17.000 And so most people will, when they can't descend, like, I don't think Wayne LaPierre has a Twitter page.

00:58:24.000 You know what I mean?

00:58:24.000 He doesn't have an Instagram account.

00:58:26.000 Right.

00:58:26.000 He's probably in a bunker somewhere.

00:58:28.000 Nah, no.

00:58:29.000 He's not.

00:58:29.000 Counting ammo.

00:58:30.000 Yeah.

00:58:31.000 He's more normal than you realize.

00:58:33.000 I believe you.

00:58:35.000 What you are is an interesting version of the NRA. It's like, oh, this is the NRA, too.

00:58:43.000 This is kind of a new thing.

00:58:44.000 It's multifaceted.

00:58:46.000 I dare anyone.

00:58:48.000 To go to the NRA annual meetings, and then if you can, I don't know how secluded it is, go to the board meeting that they have at the NRA meetings.

00:58:55.000 You'll be surprised.

00:58:56.000 They have every race you can think of, different sexualities, you name it.

00:59:00.000 Oh, I believe you.

00:59:01.000 Look, I was in the NRA forever.

00:59:02.000 I just let my membership lapse like a year and a half ago.

00:59:06.000 But I was in the NRA because I just felt like, I know people that are just like, we've got to get rid of the guns.

00:59:13.000 I'm like, man, I don't think that's going to do it.

00:59:15.000 And I don't think that's going to stop anything.

00:59:18.000 And I ask people this all the time.

00:59:19.000 I've done it on my show.

00:59:20.000 I call it the big red button question, right?

00:59:22.000 So you put a big red button, and I ask them, if I put a big red button in the middle of the table, if you push this button, all the guns on the planet disappear.

00:59:27.000 Would you do it?

00:59:29.000 And I give various answers, but I wouldn't do it.

00:59:33.000 And people are like, why?

00:59:34.000 You're like, why would you not?

00:59:35.000 That'd be the end of violence.

00:59:36.000 I'm like, not really.

00:59:37.000 It's also the end of defense.

00:59:38.000 Exactly.

00:59:39.000 Especially when you're talking about military. 0.98

00:59:41.000 I mean, if you can't, if you don't have guns, like what are we going to fight with swords and bows and arrows and shit?

00:59:46.000 You know, the interesting thing about that, too, is a lot of people on the other side will say they're like, why? 0.92

00:59:50.000 The same people will say, why do you need an AR-15?

00:59:53.000 And then the inverse when I say the Second Amendment is actually not about hunting.

00:59:57.000 It's about defending ourselves from a tyrannical government, domestic or foreign. 1.00

01:00:00.000 They're like, oh, you think your little stupid guns are going to be able to defend against the government? 1.00

01:00:04.000 I'm like, well, then why don't you give me the guns that the government has then? 1.00

01:00:09.000 And then they get quiet because they realize the contradiction in what they're stating.

01:00:13.000 Well, it's also the government, when you say the government, like protect us against the government, we are the government.

01:00:19.000 The government's filled with people.

01:00:20.000 Like, the cops are us.

01:00:22.000 The problem is this separation of us.

01:00:24.000 If you gave me a red button and said, could I end all senseless violence by hitting that button, I would say yes.

01:00:31.000 And then when people say it's a guns problem, I say, do you know that London passed New York City for the first time since 1800 in homicides? 0.99

01:00:38.000 And they did it with fucking knives. 1.00

01:00:40.000 With knives. 1.00

01:00:41.000 To the point where that goofball mayor of London, that dork, on his Twitter page said, there's no reason to carry a knife. 0.98

01:00:49.000 If you get caught carrying a knife, you'll be prosecuted under the fullest extent of the law. 1.00

01:00:55.000 A fucking knife! 1.00

01:00:57.000 I've got a knife! 1.00

01:00:57.000 Oh, I don't have it on me right now. 1.00

01:00:58.000 But I have a knife on me all the time!

01:01:00.000 This is the same country that they utilize as the shining example of what we should be doing in America.

01:01:04.000 Exactly.

01:01:05.000 And they have more murders in London from knives.

01:01:08.000 And here's the funny thing about that, too.

01:01:09.000 You know, like, and so they have an uptick in acid attacks. 0.79

01:01:13.000 I'm sorry, I think I'd rather be shot.

01:01:15.000 Yeah, that acid attack is crucial. 0.68

01:01:17.000 Well, that's a... 0.99

01:01:18.000 That's a thing that people are doing to ex-wives and shit, too. 1.00

01:01:21.000 That is dark. 1.00

01:01:24.000 That is some inhuman shit. 1.00

01:01:26.000 But it's also... 0.99

01:01:27.000 All of this stuff, it comes down to what makes a fully developed person...

01:01:32.000 Instead of looking at what's available to a fully developed person...

01:01:35.000 And what would allow a fully developed person to commit horrific crimes...

01:01:40.000 What...

01:01:41.000 Turns a person into that.

01:01:43.000 We should be looking at from the root to the fully grown.

01:01:47.000 Like, what is the process that allows someone to become a mass shooter?

01:01:50.000 What's the process that allows someone to throw acid in someone's face?

01:01:53.000 Man, because, you know, clearly I have to frame everything to my perspective because, you know, I know it the best.

01:01:58.000 But, like, even for me, like, I said it in video before, if I ever had to pull my gun and shoot someone to take a life, I'm gonna need therapy.

01:02:05.000 Yeah.

01:02:06.000 I am.

01:02:07.000 Because I value life that much.

01:02:10.000 I value it to...

01:02:10.000 Right, but do you have children?

01:02:12.000 No, I don't.

01:02:13.000 Let me tell you something, man. 0.89

01:02:14.000 If you had a kid and some guy was trying to hurt your daughter and you shot him, I think you'd sleep like a baby. 0.71

01:02:19.000 You know what?

01:02:19.000 It's interesting you say that because when I talk to women about firearm ownership, right?

01:02:24.000 Like, none of the girls I've ever been in a relationship with were, like, pro-gun, right?

01:02:28.000 But over time, you know, dealing with me.

01:02:30.000 I mean, when you walk into my house and there's five rifles on the table, you kind of just have to get acclimated.

01:02:35.000 But...

01:02:35.000 And dealing with women who start off initially as anti, a lot of them talk about not wanting guns because they can't see themselves taking a life.

01:02:43.000 But the moment I asked them, would they take a life to protect a child? 0.99

01:02:47.000 I'm blowing that sucker away. 0.99

01:02:49.000 And it's interesting how that works. 0.97

01:02:52.000 And I feel like I agree with you.

01:02:54.000 I'd be the same way.

01:02:55.000 Preserve innocence.

01:02:56.000 Preserve a child. 0.90

01:02:59.000 Whatever it is that turns a child into some monster that could shoot up a school, I think that's what needs to be examined.

01:03:06.000 And this is not a part of the narrative.

01:03:07.000 It's not a part of the discussions.

01:03:09.000 No one's bringing it up.

01:03:10.000 All people bring up is the event themselves, the gun violence.

01:03:14.000 And we need to keep the tools away from people.

01:03:16.000 I just think the tools are one part of the problem.

01:03:20.000 I definitely think that you should, if there is a way, we should figure out a way to keep psychopaths from owning guns.

01:03:26.000 But how do you determine whether or not someone's a psychopath?

01:03:28.000 So they do something psychopathic.

01:03:30.000 Yeah, and then someone will talk about, well, you know, Australia, they had one mass shooting in the 1990s, and they took all the guns.

01:03:35.000 There's 18 people in Australia!

01:03:37.000 It's as big as the United States.

01:03:39.000 There's less people.

01:03:40.000 Not to mention crime went up after they did that.

01:03:42.000 Did it?

01:03:42.000 Violent crime went up when they did that.

01:03:44.000 That's what people don't want to talk about.

01:03:46.000 And you're right.

01:03:47.000 People forget context.

01:03:49.000 They're like two people in Australia.

01:03:51.000 Well, do you know about this one town in Georgia where firearm ownership is mandatory?

01:03:57.000 I do remember hearing that.

01:03:58.000 And they made it mandatory, and violent crime and everything dropped radically.

01:04:03.000 Break-ins dropped radically.

01:04:05.000 They made it mandatory.

01:04:06.000 Everybody has to have a gun. 0.99

01:04:07.000 And everybody was like, fuck the crime. 1.00

01:04:09.000 Think about it. 0.99

01:04:09.000 I need to find a new way to make a living. 0.99

01:04:11.000 Well, because most dudes who are engaged in crime, right? 0.88

01:04:15.000 Of course, you have your sickos who just love the violence, right?

01:04:18.000 Most of them are just crimes of opportunity, right?

01:04:20.000 So they're looking for victims.

01:04:22.000 They're looking for easy victims, easy targets.

01:04:24.000 If you know you're going to deal with someone who possibly is going to kill you, Right.

01:04:49.000 No, I do.

01:04:50.000 And they're like, well, the chances of you ever needing it and using it... 1.00

01:04:53.000 That's a stupid argument. 1.00

01:04:54.000 It's incredibly moronic. 1.00

01:04:56.000 Sure, the chances are you've gone through life right now. 1.00

01:04:59.000 However old you are when I'm talking to you, you haven't been shot.

01:05:01.000 So the chances are 100% that you didn't need it.

01:05:04.000 Right, but that doesn't mean you won't need it in the future.

01:05:07.000 That's a crazy conversation.

01:05:08.000 I don't think the conversation should be about the tools.

01:05:11.000 I really think the conversation should be about what makes a person capable of doing that. 0.97

01:05:15.000 I mean, if the conversation is what makes a person such a fucking nut that they have so many guns that they don't know what to do with. 0.98

01:05:21.000 I mean, you have so many guns, you don't even know how many you have. 0.99

01:05:24.000 Is that bad?

01:05:25.000 I don't know.

01:05:25.000 You seem like a reasonable guy.

01:05:26.000 I'm not worried about you.

01:05:27.000 But even then, I can only use one gun at a time.

01:05:29.000 I only have two hands.

01:05:30.000 I get that, but the idea is like, what if someone breaks into your house and steals your guns?

01:05:33.000 I'm sure you have been a safe.

01:05:34.000 But if somebody breaks into your house and steals your guns, what then?

01:05:37.000 So that's my fault now?

01:05:38.000 If somebody wants to break the law, I'm breaking into my house?

01:05:40.000 No, the idea is like access.

01:05:41.000 Now you're giving access.

01:05:43.000 It's a very different argument.

01:05:45.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:05:46.000 But that fundamentally goes back to the idea that people want to undervalue this is a constitutional right, right?

01:05:55.000 Yeah.

01:05:56.000 And so what we find ourselves doing is finding ways to limit that right because of the few bad people in our country.

01:06:03.000 And I just think that's the wrong way to go about it because we're basically devolving ourselves down to a point where we're not going to have any rights left because there are a couple of bad people here who might do something bad with the rights that you have.

01:06:15.000 I think it's the wrong way to go about it, too.

01:06:17.000 But if we had no violence in this country, if something happened, human beings evolved, if our switch changed and there's no more violence, would you still want to have guns?

01:06:30.000 Yes.

01:06:31.000 You want to have them for recreation because you enjoy them.

01:06:34.000 That's something people don't want to hear.

01:06:36.000 I always tell people, if you've never shot a gun, if you've never gone to a gun range, you probably should because it is actually fun.

01:06:44.000 It's fun.

01:06:45.000 Now, if you do that activity and you're not thinking about hurting someone and all you're thinking about is focusing on the target, trigger control, all that stuff, Is that bad?

01:06:57.000 We do a thing on my show.

01:06:59.000 We call it athletic shooting, right?

01:07:02.000 So my background before I got into guns was sports.

01:07:05.000 I was into basketball, football.

01:07:07.000 I ran cross country, track, you name it.

01:07:10.000 So when I got into guns, so my dream was to go to the NBA when I was younger, right?

01:07:16.000 Clearly that didn't happen and it wasn't going to.

01:07:19.000 But, you know, there was that athleticism still in me.

01:07:23.000 So what we did on the show when we were talking about coming up with a different shooting competition was how do I incorporate some of that athleticism into shooting, right?

01:07:33.000 Which is essentially, by and large, a lot of running and just shooting in different positions and so forth and so on.

01:07:38.000 And so...

01:07:40.000 When we're doing that, I'm not thinking about shooting a person.

01:07:44.000 That's not the type of shooting I'm doing.

01:07:45.000 Right, doing target shooting.

01:07:47.000 Doing target shooting with some athleticism involved in it.

01:07:49.000 And people undervalue that.

01:07:52.000 It's kind of like, how can you not see that these are other ways that firearms are used?

01:07:55.000 Which is why I started my brand, The Pew Pew Life.

01:07:58.000 Pew Pew Life is predicated around...

01:08:01.000 P-E-W, P-E-W. For people who don't understand, that's what people who use guns a lot go pew pew.

01:08:06.000 It's a firearm lifestyle, yeah.

01:08:07.000 Out here doing hashtag pew pew.

01:08:09.000 Yeah, because I mean, think about it.

01:08:10.000 When we were kids, it was all so simple, right?

01:08:12.000 Like cops and robbers with a gun, pew pew pew pew, we do that.

01:08:15.000 And so, but then, so I want to capture...

01:08:20.000 The recreation involved in playing cops and robbers as a kid, but then also understanding the very definitive distinction between the good guys and the bad guys.

01:08:29.000 The people who live this lifestyle are good people.

01:08:31.000 They enjoy guns for recreation.

01:08:33.000 They also understand that we live in a world where not everybody's good.

01:08:37.000 So we also own guns for our own self-defense.

01:08:40.000 And so it's this culmination of this lifestyle that comes together and we appreciate guns in a way that some people think is perverse.

01:08:47.000 But how is it any different than me obsessing over the Aston Martin DBS for the last 20 years?

01:08:55.000 Is that perverse?

01:08:57.000 It's still a mechanical item.

01:08:59.000 Yes, the potential for violence is what scares people.

01:09:03.000 Yeah, but when a guy kills 86 people in Nice with a truck.

01:09:06.000 Right.

01:09:08.000 No, it's a good point.

01:09:09.000 I mean, it is a very good point, and no one's trying to outlaw trucks.

01:09:12.000 But it's...

01:09:14.000 This thing that we have in this country where we have more guns than we have human beings, and that disturbs people.

01:09:22.000 Yeah, because they inherently vilify the firearm, which is why I have another hashtag that I call still waiting.

01:09:27.000 Still waiting for what?

01:09:28.000 Still waiting for my gun to jump up on its own and kill somebody.

01:09:32.000 It is relatively tongue-in-cheek, but at the same time, what it does is it transfers the focus, and in it I say, When a drunk driver gets behind the wheel and kills someone, we don't blame the vehicle for it.

01:09:44.000 We blame the driver.

01:09:46.000 Right.

01:09:46.000 So when somebody goes out and commits violence with a firearm, why aren't we focusing on the people who are doing it instead of focusing on the firearm?

01:09:53.000 Well, I think we should certainly be focusing on the people.

01:09:56.000 As we said, we should certainly be focusing on what happens to a person that makes them... 0.88

01:10:12.000 I think?

01:10:23.000 We have a situation where there are people who do flip between the cracks and no one pays attention to them.

01:10:27.000 There's certainly some of that.

01:10:29.000 And I do think there is a lack of...

01:10:30.000 You can't pay attention to everybody.

01:10:32.000 You can't.

01:10:33.000 But then also I think there's...

01:10:35.000 I was raised by a single parent mother.

01:10:38.000 And my mother overcompensated. 1.00

01:10:41.000 When raising me, because she understood the limitations of her being a woman raising a young man, right?

01:10:46.000 So she was unnecessarily hard on me.

01:10:48.000 My mom has zero tolerance for my emotions. 0.80

01:10:51.000 Absolutely zero.

01:10:52.000 So what she taught me growing up was how to deal with adversity.

01:10:57.000 Taught me how to deal with failure, how to get past those things.

01:11:00.000 Taught me how to be self-assured.

01:11:02.000 And so what I think we're lacking to a degree in this country is people not having the coping mechanisms to deal with failure or to deal with rejection.

01:11:11.000 Some get it worse than others.

01:11:13.000 I agree.

01:11:13.000 There's definitely people that feel like they're outsiders and they want to flip the board over.

01:11:19.000 They're losing the game and they just want to flip the board over.

01:11:22.000 And that seems like that Parkland kid... 0.99

01:11:25.000 I mean, there were kids that were worried about him before this ever happened, and that his whole thing was that his life was shit, and he wanted other people to experience that. 0.98

01:11:34.000 Yeah. 0.96

01:11:35.000 And the thing is, it's like, and the hard thing about it, too, is now I realize, and it just came to my mind, I think sometimes I don't even want to talk about the mental health aspect of it in this particular case of the Parkinson's shoot, because I just want to relegate him to evil.

01:11:48.000 Right.

01:11:49.000 Right?

01:11:49.000 Because it pisses me off.

01:11:51.000 Yeah.

01:11:51.000 Like, you're taking innocent lives because you feel bad.

01:11:55.000 Go in a corner and shoot yourself, if that's the case. 0.94

01:11:58.000 There's a romanticized version of that, too, where people just want to take everybody out, take all the people out that you saw that were doing well while you were struggling. 0.99

01:12:07.000 There's that.

01:12:07.000 But man, the world always flips, man.

01:12:09.000 Oh, yeah.

01:12:10.000 Well, it flips if you've got a good attitude and you're a healthy person like yourself. 1.00

01:12:13.000 But if you're mentally ill and your life has been just tormented and abused and just you have mental health issues and you're all fucked up, I don't know what the answer is. 0.98

01:12:26.000 I don't know what the answer is, but I do know that the problem lies in the individuals that are capable of committing that and how they become that. 1.00

01:12:34.000 You make a great point.

01:12:36.000 What mindset you have to be in to walk down a school hall and just shoot people. 1.00

01:12:41.000 Shoot kids. 1.00

01:12:41.000 Just shoot them innocently. 1.00

01:12:45.000 It's fucking gross! 1.00

01:12:46.000 Yeah, whether it's Sandy Hook or any one of these things, you have to be fucked up to do that. 1.00

01:12:53.000 And how many people are running around that are like three quarters fucked up? 0.99

01:12:56.000 They only need a few bad things to go wrong. 0.67

01:12:59.000 And relatively speaking, when you think about the fact that there's 300 plus million people in this country, these are relatively...

01:13:05.000 Relatively few people that are capable and that actually act on such a horrific act.

01:13:12.000 But what do you think can be done to stop this stuff?

01:13:16.000 Have you thought about it?

01:13:17.000 Yeah.

01:13:17.000 I think about it all the time.

01:13:19.000 It's a harder question for me to ask than to come up with ways of why we don't need gun control.

01:13:23.000 Right.

01:13:24.000 You know, because that's, you know, it's hard.

01:13:26.000 I think so too.

01:13:27.000 Especially when I'm taking gun control off the table because people are always saying, you know, you guys don't want to move one inch.

01:13:34.000 Well, I was like, yeah, because we've been moving an inch for the last 20, 30 years. 0.83

01:13:37.000 So the problem is it's a fucked up argument because the people that are holding the guns are not necessarily the people that are doing these things. 0.96

01:13:46.000 You're trying to attack the vast majority of gun owners are not committing crimes with their guns. 0.98

01:13:53.000 They're not.

01:13:54.000 So when I think about what can we do to stop different types of shooting, for instance, let's start with the type of shootings that happen the most, gang violence.

01:14:04.000 So if you look at the statistics, you think, oh my gosh, America's a war zone, right?

01:14:11.000 30,000 people a year die, and then the vast majority of it that is remaining as actual homicides is gang violence.

01:14:17.000 So then we have a gang problem.

01:14:19.000 We don't have a gang problem in this country.

01:14:21.000 We have a socioeconomic problem in very specific areas in this country, right?

01:14:25.000 Because I just came from Southside Chicago, where I started in Hyde Park, where Obama used to live, and then drove a few minutes into an area that looked like a bomb went off.

01:14:36.000 They don't have the violence in Hyde Park that they had in that area.

01:14:38.000 Why?

01:14:40.000 They had the same access to illegal guns.

01:14:43.000 They don't have the same problem because there's a difference in economics.

01:14:47.000 And no one wants to address that. 0.96

01:14:50.000 If I'm a kid growing up in that neighborhood and I'm going to a school that's shitty, they don't give a damn about me. 0.78

01:14:56.000 I lucked up and was able to go to good schools. 0.79

01:14:59.000 I went to schools where my teachers cared.

01:15:02.000 I went to schools where teachers pushed me when I was slacking off.

01:15:06.000 I had the ability to take out loans to go to a good law school.

01:15:10.000 I had those abilities.

01:15:11.000 If I'm a kid growing up in this environment, And I can't find refuge in my school.

01:15:18.000 I can't find refuge at home because my mom's working three or four or five jobs.

01:15:22.000 So she's never there.

01:15:23.000 Where am I going to go find parents?

01:15:25.000 Where am I going to find that parental influence?

01:15:27.000 I'm going to find it on the streets.

01:15:28.000 So now I'm on the streets being led by people who grew up in the same exact conditions that I grew up in.

01:15:33.000 And so now I'm like, okay, well, I have to make money.

01:15:35.000 What am I going to do for money?

01:15:37.000 Well, then there's their narco economy, very conveniently, right there for me, right? 1.00

01:15:40.000 Sell drugs.

01:15:41.000 So now I'm staying on a corner selling drugs.

01:15:44.000 I got to protect my product, right?

01:15:47.000 If I don't, someone's going to take it from me.

01:15:48.000 So what do I do?

01:15:49.000 I get a gun.

01:15:50.000 I carry a gun.

01:15:52.000 Now I'm just stuck in this violent loop that feeds on itself.

01:15:58.000 And so now I'm stuck defending myself against a guy who's shooting at me trying to take my stuff, and I'm shooting back at him.

01:16:03.000 Maybe not because I'm trying to take his stuff, but because he's trying to take mine.

01:16:07.000 So that's where you get that violence that comes from those particular areas.

01:16:11.000 Now, if we would have sat back and said, okay...

01:16:15.000 We have hyper-concentrated areas in this country.

01:16:18.000 This isn't widespread.

01:16:20.000 It's hyper-concentrated communities in this country that are dealing with this that are also the result of the vast majority of our gun violence.

01:16:27.000 If we sat back and thought about it from a socioeconomic standpoint, how do we fix this?

01:16:31.000 What do we do?

01:16:32.000 How do we present opportunity?

01:16:34.000 I'm not saying go in and just hand out stuff, but how do we fix this from the standpoint of improving our schools?

01:16:39.000 How is that I can drive five minutes one direction and have a school that has everything you can name and then drive in the opposite direction?

01:16:46.000 The school can barely have textbooks to give to their kids.

01:16:49.000 Think about that.

01:16:50.000 So why aren't we focusing our energy on building that up?

01:16:55.000 Versus talking about, oh, we need to get the guns off the streets. 0.57

01:16:58.000 You did that.

01:16:59.000 You have that in Chicago.

01:17:00.000 You have every gun law imaginable in Chicago.

01:17:03.000 But yet, Southside Chicago still looks the way that it does.

01:17:05.000 Still has the violence that it does, right?

01:17:07.000 So if we provide...

01:17:10.000 When you give people something to lose or to live for, they don't throw away life so easily.

01:17:16.000 Plain and simple.

01:17:17.000 So if my socioeconomic status is in the dirt... 0.99

01:17:21.000 I don't have a problem looking at another kid down the street and shooting at him and taking his life.

01:17:26.000 I don't have anything. 0.99

01:17:28.000 I don't have anything to lose.

01:17:30.000 But if we were to focus our attention in fixing that, same way we talk about the mental health issue with respect to mass shootings and school shootings, we wouldn't have to worry about the guns because we won't have people wanting to do those things or have the capability to do those things.

01:17:44.000 Right?

01:17:44.000 So, then that deals with that vast majority of the violence that we have there.

01:17:49.000 Focusing that energy and fixing those communities.

01:17:52.000 I agree with you 100%.

01:17:53.000 And we've talked about this many, many times in the show that I think that if you wanted to make America a better place, one of the best ways to do it is to Make it easier for someone to succeed.

01:18:04.000 And stop pretending that it's a level playing field.

01:18:06.000 I didn't grow up in a level playing field.

01:18:08.000 I got lucky.

01:18:09.000 You got lucky.

01:18:10.000 A lot of people did.

01:18:11.000 And if you go to somewhere like the South Side of Chicago and you don't realize that you got lucky, you're blind.

01:18:20.000 What's the best way to make America stronger? 0.87

01:18:22.000 Less losers.

01:18:23.000 Less people who lose.

01:18:24.000 How is that?

01:18:25.000 Well, give them more of a chance.

01:18:27.000 Give them more of an opportunity and give them guidance, community centers, clean up the streets, fix buildings. 0.97

01:18:33.000 But that's a lot of fucking money that we're spending right now in Afghanistan and Iraq and building missiles and all kinds of crazy shit that we're not putting any money into that. 0.95

01:18:42.000 But then who do we hold accountable? 0.99

01:18:44.000 Who do we?

01:18:45.000 Like if we talk about the inner cities, for instance.

01:18:49.000 They've been democratically run for ages now.

01:18:52.000 The local leadership there is democratic.

01:18:54.000 Right, but there's no money.

01:18:55.000 The problem is there's no money.

01:18:57.000 The money's going somewhere.

01:18:58.000 I mean, look at Chicago.

01:18:59.000 It's just not enough.

01:19:00.000 I mean, the money's going into the areas where people are wealthy, and that's what they're supporting.

01:19:04.000 They're not supporting these impoverished areas.

01:19:06.000 And you know what?

01:19:07.000 You're absolutely right. 0.97

01:19:10.000 So if that's the case, and we all understand that, and you know that, stop selling this bullshit about gun control then. 0.93

01:19:15.000 Just say that.

01:19:16.000 That's just one aspect of gun control.

01:19:18.000 I was moving to the next one.

01:19:19.000 I agree with you there.

01:19:20.000 So in that sense, when it comes to gun violence, it's very complex.

01:19:24.000 When it comes to gang violence, it's very complex.

01:19:27.000 And I agree with you that there's no other way to stop that than to fix the inner cities where people are just in that cycle of constant poverty and And it's all they see around them, so it becomes normalized.

01:19:41.000 Yeah, absolutely.

01:19:42.000 So now let's talk about mass shootings.

01:19:45.000 Mass shootings, right?

01:19:46.000 So get rid of gun-free zones.

01:19:51.000 No one wants to hear that.

01:19:52.000 Get rid of gun-free zones.

01:19:53.000 If you're not going to establish a perimeter outside of a building where I can go, don't tell me I can't bring my gun in there.

01:20:01.000 A sign on the window is not stopping somebody from coming into the building.

01:20:05.000 We've seen it time and time and time and time again.

01:20:07.000 If the guns were the problems, we would have mass shooting at every gun show every single day.

01:20:13.000 But we don't.

01:20:14.000 Why?

01:20:15.000 The same reason you pointed out why that one place in Georgia, when they said everybody had to have a gun, crime went down.

01:20:21.000 People don't want to hear that, though.

01:20:23.000 They don't want to hear that the answer to gun violence is everyone has a gun.

01:20:29.000 Not such a convenient answer for a guy like you.

01:20:32.000 It's very convenient.

01:20:33.000 So many guns he can't count.

01:20:34.000 But here, let's look at the alternative.

01:20:36.000 We've been living in it, right?

01:20:38.000 And we're acknowledging that there's a problem.

01:20:40.000 So why are we entertaining the fact that maybe that is the case?

01:20:44.000 Right, but do you think that, like school shootings, for example, do you think that these teachers being armed would be the answer?

01:20:52.000 Or do you think there should be armed security on the campus?

01:20:56.000 I say it should be multi-layered.

01:20:59.000 Because if you really want to put things into perspective, and the NRA didn't add about this, and people got pissed off, but it's the truth.

01:21:06.000 Whatever school the president's kids go to, they are guarded by guns.

01:21:11.000 That school is protected by guns.

01:21:15.000 Anything we hold valuable in this country is protected with guns.

01:21:20.000 No one is more anti-gun than Hollywood.

01:21:24.000 When you hear about any sort of crime or gun violence, the left-wing people in Hollywood are the most vocal, the most virtue-signaling, the quickest to jump on their pedestal. 0.99

01:21:37.000 Meanwhile, what percentage of their fucking movies involve gun violence? 0.98

01:21:42.000 And if you look at the Academy Awards, did you see the security at the Academy Awards? 0.99

01:21:46.000 You see all these left-leaning, liberal...

01:21:50.000 Actors being protected by people with flak jackets on, carrying guns with fingers outside the triggers.

01:21:57.000 I mean, dogs.

01:21:58.000 It's crazy.

01:22:00.000 You know what it is, though?

01:22:01.000 It's a loss of touch with reality.

01:22:04.000 Well, they're also insulated and protected.

01:22:06.000 That's part of it.

01:22:07.000 Because their mindset goes like this.

01:22:10.000 Well, I have security guards.

01:22:12.000 I mean, Kim Kardashian is...

01:22:17.000 Biggest...

01:22:17.000 I did a video on that, so that was the first thing that came to mind.

01:22:20.000 Biggest what? 0.99

01:22:20.000 She's the biggest hypocrite on that, right? 0.99

01:22:22.000 Well, she's a dumb-dumb. 1.00

01:22:23.000 Yeah, of course. 1.00

01:22:24.000 But she also influences a ton of people.

01:22:28.000 Yeah.

01:22:29.000 Right?

01:22:29.000 That's unfortunate.

01:22:30.000 Exactly.

01:22:31.000 Steve Harvey had her on Family Feud.

01:22:33.000 They were on Family Feud. 1.00

01:22:34.000 The Kardashians in the West were talking about how fucking stupid Kim was. 1.00

01:22:38.000 But we know this, though. 1.00

01:22:39.000 That's the crazy thing.

01:22:41.000 There's no incentive for her to be intelligent. 1.00

01:22:43.000 There isn't.

01:22:43.000 I mean, she's good at making money.

01:22:46.000 Oh, absolutely.

01:22:47.000 Absolutely.

01:22:48.000 And I don't fault her for that.

01:22:49.000 Hey, make your money, boo-boo. 0.67

01:22:51.000 But at the end of the day, she still has access to scores of young, influential minds.

01:23:00.000 I understand that.

01:23:01.000 That's unfortunate, but there's nothing we can do about that.

01:23:03.000 There isn't. 0.98

01:23:03.000 Other than you point out the fact that she's a dum-dum. 0.98

01:23:06.000 Pretty much, yeah. 0.93

01:23:07.000 Yeah.

01:23:09.000 She's not a terrible person.

01:23:11.000 She's not.

01:23:11.000 I don't know the woman.

01:23:14.000 Well, I've heard her talk.

01:23:15.000 I just don't think she's really interested in expanding her mind.

01:23:18.000 I just don't think that that's something that's her prerogative.

01:23:21.000 Here's the thing about that, though.

01:23:23.000 The mindset, though, is there are people who we pay to carry guns.

01:23:29.000 Right.

01:23:30.000 I don't need to carry them.

01:23:31.000 Therefore, you don't either.

01:23:32.000 Right.

01:23:32.000 So what you're saying about her is that she is anti-gun, she talks about being anti-gun, yet she's constantly surrounded by people who have guns.

01:23:40.000 That's a fact.

01:23:41.000 Absolute fact.

01:23:42.000 It's an absolute fact.

01:23:43.000 So then you can't turn around and tell me that, no, you don't need a firearm.

01:23:47.000 Right. 1.00

01:23:47.000 Of course you don't, bitch. 1.00

01:23:48.000 Seven foot tall dudes strapped to the fucking gills all around you. 1.00

01:23:54.000 So it's frustrating because it's like, I get it. 0.99

01:24:00.000 I would love to have eight dudes standing out here with AR-15 slung over their shoulders, ready to protect me at a given notice.

01:24:07.000 If I could afford it, I'd pay for it and not do it.

01:24:09.000 The funny thing is, I'd still carry a gun on me.

01:24:11.000 Because they can't always be exactly where I am.

01:24:13.000 Right.

01:24:13.000 You know what I mean?

01:24:14.000 Dude, that's a paranoid way to live, though, isn't it?

01:24:16.000 What difference does it make?

01:24:18.000 Think about it.

01:24:18.000 How much does it affect me?

01:24:20.000 I wake up every day, put a gun on my hip, and go out and do the exact same thing I would do if I didn't have a gun.

01:24:24.000 But you don't think about it.

01:24:25.000 So, in a sense, you feel like you're not paranoid.

01:24:27.000 I'm not paranoid.

01:24:28.000 No.

01:24:29.000 I'm no more paranoid than any person that has a fire extinguisher in their house.

01:24:34.000 Think about it.

01:24:35.000 It's like I don't walk around like, oh, my God.

01:24:38.000 Who's coming to get me?

01:24:39.000 That's paranoia.

01:24:40.000 All I'm doing is being prepared.

01:24:43.000 Now, there could be levels of preparedness.

01:24:45.000 You start to hit diminishing returns where it starts to take away from your quality of life.

01:24:51.000 But me putting a gun on my hip and just going about my business, that doesn't interfere with my life enough to say, you know what, it's not quite worth it.

01:24:58.000 You know, it's funny what you said about, like, humility and that you're, like, more calm and relaxed since you've been involved in guns.

01:25:05.000 The same thing happens with jiu-jitsu and martial arts training in particular.

01:25:09.000 But jiu-jitsu in particular because you get strangled so much.

01:25:12.000 My neck hurts right now because I was rolling with a guy just before I came up, like, last week.

01:25:17.000 Man, it's such a beautiful sport.

01:25:21.000 It's beautiful, but it also lets you know your place in the food chain, especially when you first start out.

01:25:26.000 You start to realize you really honestly can't call out an elite human until it's too late.

01:25:33.000 What do you mean?

01:25:34.000 Before I started really getting into MMA and so forth and so on, I thought I could spot out the guy you don't want to mess with.

01:25:43.000 Oh, right.

01:25:44.000 You know what I mean?

01:25:45.000 Yeah.

01:25:45.000 And then I went to class and then my coach started pairing me with different people.

01:25:50.000 And I'm like, holy crap.

01:25:52.000 If I would have seen this dude just walking down the sidewalk, I'm like, yeah, I can handle him. 0.98

01:25:55.000 And now I'm rolled up in a pretzel with nuts in my face. 0.97

01:25:58.000 Yeah, nerd assassins. 0.90

01:26:00.000 There's a lot of nerd assassins out there.

01:26:02.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:26:02.000 Man, at Tenth Planet, we got a whole fucking army of them. 1.00

01:26:05.000 They're like computer dorks, and they'll kill you with their legs. 1.00

01:26:08.000 Yep. 1.00

01:26:08.000 They'll wrap their legs around your neck and choke you to sleep, and you can't even stop it from happening. 1.00

01:26:12.000 Nothing.

01:26:12.000 It's crazy.

01:26:13.000 Nothing, man.

01:26:13.000 And I always get stuck, and I'm going to overpower him!

01:26:16.000 And I'm like, nah.

01:26:17.000 Yeah, you're better off being weak, believe it or not.

01:26:19.000 The best jujitsu is weak man's jujitsu.

01:26:21.000 I always say if you're going to learn jujitsu, learn it from a small guy.

01:26:24.000 Because you learn from a small guy, they've never been able to cheat, meaning they've never been able to muscle their way out of things.

01:26:30.000 They've always had to have perfect technique.

01:26:32.000 Technique.

01:26:32.000 Yeah, technique's everything when it comes to jiu-jitsu.

01:26:35.000 Literally, you have to have some strength, for sure, and strength with technique is the ultimate, but perfect technique is where it's at, and you get that from little guys, like Barrett Yoshida, Eddie Bravo, Hoyler Gracie, the smaller guys are the ones that you want to learn from,

01:26:51.000 because they've never been the big guy. 0.94

01:26:53.000 The big guys are like top-game guys, the smash-pass guys, those guys are just relying on horsepower and leg strength and shit. 0.96

01:27:00.000 That's not the way to learn. 0.64

01:27:02.000 The way to learn is to go around things.

01:27:05.000 Gotcha.

01:27:06.000 And you know, the funny thing about that is, do you know why I started doing it?

01:27:09.000 Why?

01:27:09.000 Someone said, what if they take your gun away, bro?

01:27:12.000 No one said that.

01:27:13.000 I said it to myself.

01:27:14.000 Oh, right.

01:27:15.000 I said it to myself because I almost thought I was over-dependent on it.

01:27:18.000 Because remember, the gun is a tool.

01:27:20.000 Do you carry a knife too?

01:27:22.000 I used to. 1.00

01:27:23.000 He's like, that's a bitch. 1.00

01:27:24.000 I used to. 0.99

01:27:25.000 But I'm in this weird space where my jeans are kind of sort of a little too tight.

01:27:31.000 So they're not quite skinny jeans, but it's kind of like, after a certain point, I have too much stuff going on in my pants.

01:27:36.000 I got the answer for you, my friend.

01:27:37.000 Oh, here you go.

01:27:37.000 It's called a fanny pack.

01:27:39.000 Okay.

01:27:41.000 You know they're not going to let me get away with a fan pack. 1.00

01:27:43.000 What the fuck are you talking about? 1.00

01:27:44.000 I wear one of these bitches every day. 1.00

01:27:46.000 Hireprimate.com. 1.00

01:27:47.000 You can go buy one right now.

01:27:48.000 I'll give you one.

01:27:49.000 Do we have some here?

01:27:50.000 Would you never wear this?

01:27:51.000 You would never wear this?

01:27:52.000 I'm down to try anything.

01:27:53.000 Come on, man.

01:27:53.000 Well, tactically.

01:27:55.000 I got my money.

01:27:55.000 I got a wallet.

01:27:57.000 Some of them, they have ones that are tactical ones.

01:27:59.000 They rip them open.

01:28:00.000 That's what I'm talking about.

01:28:01.000 Yeah, you have a tactical one.

01:28:02.000 I'm all for it.

01:28:03.000 No, this is just a regular one. 1.00

01:28:04.000 See this, you keep your shit on you so you don't have your pockets all filled with shit. 1.00

01:28:07.000 See, here's mine. 1.00

01:28:08.000 I do have a knife.

01:28:09.000 Here's my fanny pack.

01:28:10.000 This is what I consider a fanny pack.

01:28:11.000 Oh, that's a little big.

01:28:12.000 Yeah, I know.

01:28:13.000 But then again, I'm the guy who runs around with MacBook, iPad.

01:28:18.000 You carry one everywhere?

01:28:21.000 Pretty much.

01:28:22.000 Because I'm constantly working.

01:28:24.000 Writing, working, yeah.

01:28:25.000 What kind of stuff do you write?

01:28:27.000 I script pretty much 80-90% of my show.

01:28:29.000 Oh, okay.

01:28:30.000 No kidding.

01:28:31.000 All the videos I do, I write them.

01:28:34.000 Do you write them and then put them on a teleprompter or do you practice it out?

01:28:37.000 Sometimes it's straight off the top, sometimes in teleprompter.

01:28:39.000 It just depends what we feel is going to communicate the best to what we're trying to achieve.

01:28:43.000 Oh, that's cool.

01:28:44.000 That shows work ethic for sure.

01:28:46.000 I mean, I don't have a life.

01:28:49.000 You don't?

01:28:49.000 I really don't.

01:28:50.000 All I do is work, work out, and eat.

01:28:53.000 So is this, these videos, is this your entire life now?

01:28:58.000 For the most part, yeah.

01:28:59.000 In terms of your occupation?

01:29:01.000 Exactly.

01:29:01.000 So you don't work as a lawyer?

01:29:02.000 I do a little bit.

01:29:03.000 I still have deals with a small firm in Houston.

01:29:07.000 And then so other than that, just other investments and things that I have going on.

01:29:10.000 That's about it.

01:29:10.000 So you were able to make a living off of these videos?

01:29:15.000 There was a time when you could do it on YouTube.

01:29:17.000 Right.

01:29:17.000 Not anymore.

01:29:18.000 Yeah, it's real recent, right?

01:29:20.000 Yeah.

01:29:20.000 Within the last six or seven months.

01:29:21.000 Well, actually, us gun guys started noticing that drop a long time ago.

01:29:25.000 Like I'm talking about, we went from like...

01:29:34.000 So they filtered you out.

01:29:51.000 Yeah.

01:29:52.000 That's what I picked up on.

01:29:54.000 Because I started noticing, I'm like, wait a minute.

01:29:56.000 I mean, I wasn't living off the YouTube stuff, but I was like, I just got my income cut in half.

01:30:03.000 It's weird.

01:30:04.000 Yeah, well, there's been some people that have investigated this, and there's been some inside sources that have told people that they actively target conservatives, gun owners, redneckers.

01:30:15.000 They do it on Twitter.

01:30:16.000 They do it at a lot of different places.

01:30:17.000 I don't doubt it.

01:30:18.000 I don't doubt it at all.

01:30:19.000 They do it.

01:30:19.000 It's 100%.

01:30:20.000 Who's that guy...

01:30:22.000 American Pravada guy that did those undercover investigative reports.

01:30:27.000 He sent a bunch of people into bars and talked to Twitter engineers.

01:30:38.000 You know what I'm talking about?

01:30:39.000 Yeah.

01:30:40.000 Now, I will say this, though.

01:30:41.000 There are – so, like, there are certain people in these places that are actually – they may not even agree with my stance, but I've talked to them, and they'll help me out the best that they can.

01:30:49.000 You know, some people on Facebook, some people on YouTube, so forth and so on.

01:30:52.000 Because there are all those individuals, you know, the – I call them ghost supporters in a sense because, you know, they can't be too explicit about their – Yeah, you're not going to have just a complete uniform left-wing ideology at any of these organizations.

01:31:05.000 Not at all. 0.93

01:31:06.000 But they get stuck in these groupthink environments like Google or wherever the fuck it is, and they can't speak out. 0.97

01:31:13.000 Which is unfortunate, because I'm like, isn't this country... 0.97

01:31:16.000 This country was founded on the idea of having...

01:31:18.000 Is this it?

01:31:20.000 Project Veritas?

01:31:20.000 Veritas, yeah.

01:31:21.000 I didn't remember hearing about it. 0.98

01:31:22.000 Release undercover footage of Twitter employees and employees, engineers and employees, admitting that Twitter employees view everything you post on their servers, including private sex messages and dick pics. 0.99

01:31:34.000 See, that's why I don't send dick pics. 1.00

01:31:35.000 Damn it! 1.00

01:31:36.000 I never send dick pics. 1.00

01:31:36.000 The engineers also admit that Twitter analyzes this information to create a virtual profile of you, which they sell to advertisers. 1.00

01:31:44.000 James O'Keefe has completed the book about the series entitled American Pravada, My Fight for the Truth in the Era of Fake News.

01:31:51.000 Yeah.

01:31:51.000 So this guy has sent a bunch of people to talk to, like, engineers.

01:31:57.000 I've seen the videos.

01:31:58.000 Gotcha.

01:31:58.000 Where they're explaining how they...

01:32:00.000 The algorithm.

01:32:01.000 Yeah, how they make it so that these people don't even know that people can't see their tweets.

01:32:06.000 I get it all the time.

01:32:07.000 People send it to me all the time.

01:32:08.000 Like, hey, you know, for some reason, YouTube is forcing me to unfollow you.

01:32:13.000 Like, I thought I followed you, but then I'm not following you.

01:32:15.000 I think some of that's paranoia.

01:32:17.000 I do.

01:32:18.000 Some of it is.

01:32:18.000 Some of it isn't.

01:32:19.000 Yeah.

01:32:20.000 But it still begs the question, because the numbers don't lie.

01:32:23.000 Yeah.

01:32:23.000 Right?

01:32:24.000 So, like, I know with Facebook, there was times where I was reaching millions of people with just a post.

01:32:28.000 But then that got cut in half, but largely that was due to monetization.

01:32:32.000 That was before Facebook was monetizing itself.

01:32:35.000 So now they want you to pay to get access to your audience.

01:32:39.000 You get what I'm saying?

01:32:40.000 So that, I don't like it.

01:32:43.000 But it isn't like some deep secret kind of like, oh, I want to stifle your reach because you believe in this.

01:32:49.000 Now, there may be some of that going on, right?

01:32:52.000 So I had, for instance, like I buy ads for my merchandise that I sell on Facebook, right?

01:32:57.000 Because if I just post a picture of it, my entire audience doesn't see it, right?

01:33:02.000 And so somebody went through at Facebook and just deleted all of our ads, like I spent such a ton of money on ads, and they just disapproved them out of nowhere, right?

01:33:12.000 And so then I called a contact and it was like, no, that shouldn't have happened.

01:33:16.000 And then I went back and put them back up.

01:33:17.000 So sometimes it's even individualized.

01:33:19.000 Right.

01:33:20.000 You know what I mean?

01:33:20.000 It's just an individual who disagrees with everything you stand for, who has the power to do it.

01:33:24.000 Well, you remember when that guy did that with Trump?

01:33:26.000 He disabled his Twitter?

01:33:27.000 Yeah, he deleted it for a couple of days or hours or whatever.

01:33:29.000 Yeah.

01:33:30.000 You know, there's definitely people that have that kind of power and they abuse it.

01:33:35.000 I mean, you see that everywhere.

01:33:36.000 You see that with moderators on message boards. 0.99

01:33:39.000 You see that with, you know, every time people have more power than you, and they go, I don't like this fucking guy, this guy talking about his guns. 1.00

01:33:47.000 Fuck his ads. 1.00

01:33:48.000 And they just yank them. 1.00

01:33:50.000 The weird thing is, though, like, I don't complain about it on my platform at all because no one cares.

01:33:55.000 Yeah.

01:33:56.000 Because I remember the first time YouTube started taking off, like, demonetizing my videos for ads, I mentioned it.

01:34:02.000 And a lot of my old people were like, good, I don't like those ads anyway.

01:34:05.000 I'm like, you do realize I have to pay to get this stuff done, right?

01:34:09.000 Well, no one seems to care until it comes and affects them.

01:34:13.000 They don't realize that essentially what they're doing is they're They're censoring you by diminishing the amount of money that you can make.

01:34:22.000 You could say it's not real censorship, but it is censorship.

01:34:25.000 I mean, it's pretty much what I'm dealing with right now.

01:34:28.000 So, for instance, my videos don't come out as consistently.

01:34:31.000 I do gun reviews.

01:34:31.000 I'm known for my gun reviews, right?

01:34:33.000 And I like my gun reviews to be very cinematic, voiceover.

01:34:37.000 I put thought into them.

01:34:38.000 I write scripts out for my videos.

01:34:39.000 The problem is, too, now, before where I could afford to hire someone to edit them, I can't.

01:34:46.000 And I need that now more than ever because now on the political front of the things, I'm running around, I'm traveling.

01:34:51.000 That's why I always have my MacBook with me.

01:34:52.000 I have to try to find places where I can try to edit a little bit and get things done.

01:34:56.000 But then the same people who are like, we don't care about the ads on your videos and you making money from your videos are the same people like, why aren't you making videos as much as you used to?

01:35:03.000 Well, I'm like, well, I don't have the money to pay someone to edit the videos in order to keep pumping them out the way I was doing it before. 0.93

01:35:09.000 And I'm not going to give you some quality crap.

01:35:11.000 I could just toss a video together and just throw it out there. 0.96

01:35:14.000 It's just too much noise.

01:35:16.000 You can't listen to all those people that are complaining and asking for things.

01:35:19.000 Which is true. 0.98

01:35:20.000 But I really do think that Twitter, or YouTube rather, is fucking up. 0.92

01:35:24.000 Because they're opening up the door to a competitor that is really invested in free speech. 0.95

01:35:30.000 I disagree.

01:35:31.000 Really?

01:35:32.000 How so?

01:35:32.000 It's the advertisers.

01:35:34.000 They are at the mercy of the advertisers.

01:35:37.000 They are, but I know people over at YouTube.

01:35:40.000 They are deciding what they want said and not said.

01:35:44.000 And this is how I know.

01:35:45.000 I brought up Jordan Peterson to this woman that worked at YouTube. 0.98

01:35:48.000 Which I'm a huge fan of.

01:35:49.000 And she said he's a troublemaker.

01:35:50.000 And I said, how is he a troublemaker?

01:35:52.000 She had no answer.

01:35:53.000 Radical, left-wing, but not thoughtful.

01:35:56.000 Not thoughtful.

01:35:57.000 She doesn't have a good argument for this.

01:36:00.000 When you push back, she's used to being the boss at work. 1.00

01:36:03.000 She's used to just dismissing you. 1.00

01:36:05.000 And when I was pushing back with her, I was like, why is that?

01:36:08.000 Why is he a troublemaker?

01:36:10.000 You tell me what's problematic about what he says.

01:36:12.000 No answer to that, but yet able to dismissively say someone's a troublemaker when they're a very highly respected intellectual that has amazing points about a lot of different things.

01:36:21.000 It resonates with a lot of very, very smart people.

01:36:23.000 I think he's the Nietzsche of our time.

01:36:25.000 He's a very bright guy and a really good human.

01:36:28.000 When you meet him, he's a really good person.

01:36:30.000 So for someone to say he's a troublemaker, like, okay.

01:36:33.000 No, because he doesn't agree with you, and he's causing trouble with your organization because you're censoring people's views and viewpoints.

01:36:41.000 It's so convenient to label someone alt-right.

01:36:46.000 This is what we're dealing with today.

01:36:50.000 I hate identity politics.

01:36:51.000 It drives me insane.

01:36:52.000 It's crazy.

01:36:53.000 It's crazy how many people flock to it too.

01:36:55.000 Because it's intellectually easier.

01:36:57.000 Very easy.

01:36:58.000 It's very easy.

01:36:59.000 You can sit there and then you can just regurgitate all of the talking points that you have.

01:37:04.000 This is why I don't do well on cable news hits.

01:37:08.000 Because what ends up happening is like...

01:37:10.000 On this issue, I intellectualize it, right?

01:37:13.000 Like the conversation we're having now.

01:37:14.000 Like, I get the benefit.

01:37:16.000 I love this because we could sit here.

01:37:18.000 Right.

01:37:18.000 If we need to think about something, you know what?

01:37:20.000 You know, that's a good point.

01:37:21.000 Yeah.

01:37:21.000 You know, let me think about that for a little bit.

01:37:22.000 Like, on cable news, you can't do that.

01:37:25.000 You can't do that.

01:37:25.000 I think that this kind of platform is the best platform because the conversation is never interrupted.

01:37:30.000 You never stop for ads.

01:37:31.000 Yeah.

01:37:32.000 And no one can tell us when to stop.

01:37:33.000 Except for when I'm about to ask to go to the bathroom here.

01:37:34.000 Oh, you go ahead, man.

01:37:35.000 It's all right.

01:37:36.000 We could wrap this up soon.

01:37:37.000 But I wanted to, I really wanted to get to, other than not having gun-free zones.

01:37:43.000 Yeah.

01:37:44.000 I mean, not having everyone armed to the teeth.

01:37:46.000 Well, no, here's the thing.

01:37:48.000 Here's the thing I was saying.

01:37:49.000 If you're going to have gun-free zones, make them real gun-free zones. 0.86

01:37:54.000 Don't just put a sticker on the window and then say, you can't bring your gun in here.

01:37:59.000 And then not have physical measures in place to prevent it.

01:38:03.000 Because otherwise, I'm allowed...

01:38:05.000 Well, how would you prevent it?

01:38:06.000 If you have a movie theater or something like that?

01:38:08.000 If you have a movie theater, if you're going to make it a gun-free zone, have a metal detector. 0.98

01:38:11.000 Yeah, but if somebody comes in and the metal detector goes off, there's still fucking guns in the room. 0.97

01:38:15.000 And what are you going to do? 0.96

01:38:16.000 Do you have armed guards to keep people from...

01:38:17.000 So then don't make it a gun-free zone.

01:38:21.000 Right.

01:38:21.000 Okay, but even if you don't...

01:38:23.000 Okay, say if you have a gun-free zone and you have a movie theater and you put the metal detectors on, the only way to enforce that is to have guns.

01:38:31.000 Yeah, but you know what I'm saying?

01:38:32.000 So if you want to hire an armed guard to stand there, right, with the metal detectors, because, I mean, the metal detectors are only as good as the person being able to enforce it, right?

01:38:42.000 So we need the executive, right?

01:38:44.000 Right.

01:38:44.000 So that would be an armed guard, right?

01:38:46.000 Right.

01:38:46.000 So think about it, though.

01:38:48.000 We do it at the airport.

01:38:49.000 Yes.

01:38:50.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:38:50.000 We do it at certain nightclubs when I go...

01:38:53.000 I'm not admitting to going to strip clubs where I am.

01:38:55.000 When I go to strip club, I get patted down.

01:38:57.000 There's a guard there.

01:38:57.000 There's usually three guys there with guns.

01:39:00.000 Besides the people they let in who shouldn't have them anyway, there's always going to be cracks, right?

01:39:09.000 At least, if you're going to make it a gun-free zone, put up the physical preventative measures to reinforce that.

01:39:17.000 A lot of people just throw a sticker on a window and say, this is a gun-free zone.

01:39:21.000 The only people who are going to obey that are the people you're not even worried about anyway.

01:39:25.000 Well, the thing about movie theaters is movie theaters don't even say this is a gun-free zone.

01:39:28.000 They do.

01:39:29.000 When do they say it?

01:39:31.000 Some movie theaters?

01:39:33.000 Yeah, there are.

01:39:34.000 It's state-to-state.

01:39:35.000 So, for instance, like in Dallas, right, where I live, there are some movie theaters where I can bring my gun in no problem.

01:39:42.000 There are other movie theaters that have these signs that say, you're not allowed to carry a gun in here.

01:39:45.000 Right?

01:39:46.000 And so it is state to state.

01:39:47.000 Some states, they just require you to put up a sign.

01:39:50.000 Well, it sounds like it's business to business, too.

01:39:51.000 It is.

01:39:52.000 It absolutely is.

01:39:53.000 So from that perspective, it's like even the courthouse, right?

01:39:56.000 When I go to the courthouse, courthouse is a gun-free zone, minus the fact that if you're a cop, but what do you have to do when you go to a courthouse?

01:40:02.000 You go through metal detectors, there are cops, there are people there with guns.

01:40:05.000 So what do you do about schools?

01:40:08.000 Same thing.

01:40:09.000 But these guys that are showing up, they're not even students at that school.

01:40:14.000 Like Parkland.

01:40:15.000 Or Sandy Hook.

01:40:17.000 Think about it like this, though.

01:40:19.000 This is where the argument gets really disingenuous.

01:40:22.000 Because it's like, oh, we want to save our kids' lives in schools.

01:40:24.000 Right.

01:40:25.000 Right?

01:40:25.000 So the inner cities have more violence than we can think of, right?

01:40:30.000 There's tons of shootings that go on outside of the schools in inner cities.

01:40:33.000 When's the last time you heard a mass shooting in inner city?

01:40:36.000 Very, very rarely.

01:40:37.000 Very rarely.

01:40:38.000 Yeah.

01:40:38.000 If not ever.

01:40:39.000 If not ever.

01:40:40.000 What's the one thing that they all have?

01:40:42.000 Metal detectors.

01:40:45.000 Huh.

01:40:45.000 What's the one thing that Parkland didn't have?

01:40:48.000 Metal detectors.

01:40:49.000 What's the one thing that a lot of these suburban schools that get shot up don't have?

01:40:52.000 Metal detectors.

01:40:53.000 Well, you know, it's one of the things that they've found, too, is that it's a very strange sort of situation, but when you deal with places that have a lot of violence, when you deal with places that have gun violence and crime, what you don't have in those places is the random mass shootings.

01:41:14.000 You have one-on-one crime, but the tangible reality of actual gun violence, for whatever reason, sort of eliminates these mass shootings.

01:41:26.000 The mass shootings tend to occur in places where people think they're safe, right?

01:41:30.000 Like schools, movie theaters, concerts.

01:41:32.000 I think there's a different dynamic involved.

01:41:35.000 You know what I mean?

01:41:38.000 It's going to become more of an anomaly.

01:41:40.000 Because if you compare the violence in the inner city to the violence in the suburbs, which present themselves in by way of mass shootings, if you compare the numbers as a whole, mass shootings account for a statistic for about one to two percent of all gun violence, right?

01:41:52.000 And so...

01:41:54.000 But there's an exceedingly higher percentage of gun violence in the inner cities.

01:41:59.000 And it all really goes back down to what I said before.

01:42:01.000 It's about the economics.

01:42:02.000 So you have a situation in the suburban areas where, economically speaking, they're good.

01:42:07.000 So there's not really an incentive to just engage in random violence.

01:42:10.000 There isn't a narco economy there that feeds on itself that requires you to engage in a certain level of violence in order to survive. 0.93

01:42:17.000 Whereas, on the other hand, in the inner cities, you do have that dynamic.

01:42:21.000 So from that perspective, what ends up happening, though, even though money isn't everything, right?

01:42:26.000 Money doesn't cure all.

01:42:28.000 So you're still going to have instances of people who slip through the cracks because money doesn't cure everything.

01:42:34.000 And so when it does happen, it manifests itself in these random acts of mass shootings, right?

01:42:43.000 If I know I'm going to school and I'm going to have to inevitably deal with the violence outside of school anyway, it almost makes it unnecessary to engage in random acts of mass shootings.

01:42:54.000 It's almost kind of like this perverted distraction.

01:42:59.000 From wanting to mass shoot a place up when you have to deal with violence on an ongoing basis every single day of your life.

01:43:05.000 You know what I mean?

01:43:06.000 I think that's what their point was.

01:43:08.000 Their point was that when violence is real and it's around you all the time, it doesn't become this attractive, blow up the game option.

01:43:15.000 Why don't you go take a leak and then we'll wrap this up when you get back.

01:43:20.000 Young Jamie's going to show me his collection of guns while you're gone. 1.00

01:43:23.000 He carries one in his pants at all times, strapped right next to his dick. 0.99

01:43:30.000 Do you think you'd ever carry a gun? 0.99

01:43:33.000 What if someone came in here and got us a license for concealed carry and said, Young Jamie, you need to be strapped.

01:43:42.000 All you have to do is fill out this paperwork and I'm going to make it happen.

01:43:45.000 Man, I just don't personally feel...

01:43:48.000 I mean, I feel like it's also naivety or whatever that I don't feel the need to do it.

01:43:52.000 Well, most of the time you wouldn't have the need to do it, right?

01:43:56.000 Right.

01:43:56.000 The question is, if you were at a place like...

01:44:00.000 You know, fill in the blank.

01:44:01.000 Whenever one of these things has gone down, a nightclub.

01:44:04.000 Let's say that gay nightclub in Orlando.

01:44:05.000 Maybe you're curious. 0.66

01:44:06.000 And you walk around.

01:44:08.000 How about the movie theater?

01:44:08.000 How about Batman?

01:44:10.000 The night it came out.

01:44:10.000 Yeah, how about the Batman one?

01:44:12.000 Or wasn't there one in an Amy Schumer movie?

01:44:14.000 There was.

01:44:15.000 I think so, yeah, yeah.

01:44:16.000 Yeah, there was a mass shooting.

01:44:17.000 No, I think it was an Amy Schumer movie.

01:44:19.000 One of her movies.

01:44:20.000 Because she became like this big anti-gun advocate afterwards.

01:44:26.000 What...

01:44:27.000 Do you think that you would ever find yourself in a situation where you'd want a gun?

01:44:31.000 After that happened, I've gone to movies and pictured it happening.

01:44:37.000 You just think about what you would do.

01:44:39.000 I don't know that pulling out a gun and firing back is even in my conscious thoughts.

01:44:44.000 It's definitely in the cards.

01:44:46.000 If the guy has a gun and he's in the room and you see one guy shooting people and you're there and he's not shot you yet, it's definitely in the options.

01:44:54.000 It depends on how long you're in there, too. 0.99

01:44:56.000 It's also whether or not you can keep your shit together while someone's shooting. 1.00

01:45:00.000 You know, I mean, keeping your shit together while guns are going off, but that is not a normal thing for you. 1.00

01:45:08.000 And the amount of adrenaline that would be pumping through your body, we're talking about if you were in a situation where a mass shooting was going down, the people that think they could just pull out their gun and shoot that person, you might fucking hit random people. 0.99

01:45:19.000 You might hit the wall. 0.99

01:45:20.000 You might hit the ceiling.

01:45:21.000 Like, here's the thing about, I'll tell you...

01:45:24.000 I have a lot of experience in archery, and one of the things that happens with people when they're shooting alive animals, they panic. 0.99

01:45:32.000 A big fucking moose walks in, and you might hit that moose in the dick. 0.99

01:45:37.000 The thing's as big as a building, and you might miss it totally. 1.00

01:45:41.000 I mean, it happens all the time.

01:45:43.000 20 yards away, people miss the entire animal.

01:45:45.000 They just...

01:45:47.000 And that's something that's not even going to fight back.

01:45:49.000 That's just a moose. 0.97

01:45:50.000 And the Vegas shooting thing, any witness reports or anything are so hard, I feel like.

01:45:56.000 Even video reports.

01:45:58.000 It's such a chaotic situation.

01:46:00.000 Sunday night, everybody's wasted.

01:46:02.000 Yep.

01:46:02.000 So wasted.

01:46:03.000 Yep.

01:46:04.000 What are you going to do?

01:46:05.000 You have no idea.

01:46:06.000 Yeah.

01:46:06.000 Well, it's also one of those things, too, where there's a real problem with the conspiracy theories.

01:46:10.000 Because one of the things that happened out of the Vegas situation was people would show up at all these different casinos and say, someone's shooting.

01:46:17.000 So they would say, the security would go, there's an active shooter at Circus Circus.

01:46:22.000 There's an active shooter.

01:46:23.000 So all the conspiracy theories were like, look, there's shooters everywhere.

01:46:26.000 There were shooters everywhere. 0.99

01:46:27.000 No, there was people everywhere that were freaking out because this fucking guy was just gunning people down from a hotel room. 0.99

01:46:34.000 One thing I've learned about being a lawyer, eyewitness testimony is not reliable. 1.00

01:46:37.000 Eyewitness testimony is dog shit, man. 0.99

01:46:39.000 I've had people tell me about situations where I was there. 1.00

01:46:42.000 I was there. 0.98

01:46:43.000 I'm like, dude, that is not what fucking happened. 0.90

01:46:45.000 And then you have to go over it with them, and they're like, oh yeah, maybe you're right. 0.96

01:46:48.000 I will say this, though.

01:46:50.000 People stopping mass shootings with firearms happens more than people realize.

01:46:54.000 It does happen.

01:46:55.000 To deny it happens, it's very disingenuous.

01:46:58.000 To deny it happens.

01:46:59.000 There's a lot of stories out there where it's happened and people don't know about it because they're not going to push it.

01:47:06.000 So you think the elimination of gun-free zones would be the way to protect people?

01:47:11.000 I say, I'm going to clean up a little bit.

01:47:14.000 If you're going to have a gun-free zone, have physical preventative measures in order to enforce it.

01:47:20.000 If you're not going to do that, Eliminate them.

01:47:23.000 I think first and foremost, this would be the first thing that we should do.

01:47:27.000 There should be some sort of a public hearing on the use of SSRIs, antidepressants, psych medications, and their corresponding instances, like the amount of instances where these shooters are on these things.

01:47:44.000 I don't think people are aware.

01:47:45.000 I'll say this much to piggyback off what you're saying.

01:47:49.000 If I was diagnosed with a mental disorder, the first thing I would do is I would go to a bookstore or go online and figure out every possible way that I can self-help my way through it because I won't touch this stuff.

01:48:01.000 Well, one of the things that's just as effective, if not more effective, I think, Google this, cardio, I think, exercise and running is more effective to treat depression than SSRIs.

01:48:14.000 I am almost certain that that's the case.

01:48:17.000 I don't doubt it at all, man.

01:48:18.000 I think...

01:48:18.000 Oh, you think so many people are addicted to marathons?

01:48:20.000 Yeah.

01:48:21.000 Oh, believe me, man.

01:48:22.000 They're going to get high.

01:48:23.000 Yeah.

01:48:24.000 There's something to it, man.

01:48:25.000 I get high when I run, for sure.

01:48:27.000 Is there anything in there?

01:48:28.000 Every time I go to the official site, it says it's not a real thing.

01:48:32.000 What official site?

01:48:34.000 NCBI.gov.

01:48:35.000 What is the NCBI? Where they did a study on it.

01:48:38.000 Is Exercise a Viable Treatment for Depression?

01:48:41.000 Oh, they want to say no.

01:48:42.000 Get pilled up.

01:48:43.000 But there are studies that have been done that show...

01:48:46.000 Because I know Rhonda Patrick was discussing it.

01:48:48.000 I have to be freaking...

01:48:49.000 I hate taking medicine.

01:48:52.000 Like, I have to be on the floor before I even take Tylenol.

01:48:55.000 For depression, prescribing exercise before medication.

01:48:58.000 Aerobic activity is shown to be effective treatment for many forms of depression.

01:49:02.000 So why are so many people still on antidepressants?

01:49:05.000 Well, here's one reason.

01:49:06.000 And this is not to...

01:49:07.000 Dismiss the people that are depressed, because I know people that are depressed, and it's a horrible thing, and I know people that have been helped by antidepressants.

01:49:13.000 I know people.

01:49:14.000 My good friend Ari, he was suicidal. 0.97

01:49:17.000 He got on antidepressants, he's happy as fuck now, he's off of them. 0.93

01:49:20.000 It helped him. 0.98

01:49:21.000 My friend Brian, it was the same thing.

01:49:23.000 Not Brian that we know, another Brian.

01:49:25.000 He was a jujitsu guy that I knew. 1.00

01:49:27.000 He had a real fucking problem. 0.99

01:49:28.000 Got on SSRIs, turned his life around, found a good woman, got in a great relationship, started his own business, weaned himself off of him, now he's happy. 1.00

01:49:37.000 Sometimes people find ruts in their life.

01:49:40.000 We had a podcast with a guy who wrote a book on it, a guy, Johan Hari, who wrote a book on depression.

01:49:47.000 SSRIs for depression, heart failure, patients, not so fast.

01:49:50.000 The study should put to rest the practice of starting SSRIs in depressed patients with heart failure CVD outcomes.

01:49:59.000 What is CVD? Cardiovascular disease.

01:50:01.000 Oh, okay.

01:50:03.000 Oh, well, that's with people with heart problems.

01:50:05.000 Specifically, but it's also depression.

01:50:07.000 Yeah.

01:50:07.000 People with depression and heart failure.

01:50:10.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:50:11.000 Fucking exercise, I think, is a requirement of the human body. 0.99

01:50:16.000 I really do. 0.99

01:50:17.000 I agree with that.

01:50:17.000 Something.

01:50:18.000 Something.

01:50:19.000 Even my darkest times.

01:50:20.000 So I'm never more at my best than actually when I'm down.

01:50:27.000 When I'm going through things.

01:50:28.000 Because my response to it is to tighten up.

01:50:33.000 Forces you to focus.

01:50:35.000 Exactly.

01:50:35.000 And so one of those things that I do is, like I've been to the gym every day for the last two weeks.

01:50:42.000 It forces me to...

01:50:43.000 One of the things that happens is I start working out more because of the clarity of mind I get after the fact.

01:50:51.000 And then the sense of accomplishment.

01:50:52.000 And then it kind of starts me off in a way where it's like, okay, now what's next?

01:50:56.000 It's like I'm chasing the next thing to conquer.

01:50:59.000 But yeah, I agree with you wholeheartedly.

01:51:02.000 I think focusing on Focusing on means outside of just prescribing pills.

01:51:10.000 I don't like taking pills.

01:51:12.000 I don't like things that alter my mind.

01:51:14.000 I don't like it.

01:51:15.000 Maybe because I'm a control freak in that sense.

01:51:18.000 How weird.

01:51:19.000 A guy with a hundred guns is a control freak.

01:51:23.000 Might have something to say about that.

01:51:26.000 You know, I actually was just thinking about, I had a thought while I was using your super toilet.

01:51:30.000 Crazy toilet, right? 1.00

01:51:31.000 If you've got to take a shit, it's the way to go. 0.99

01:51:35.000 I was thinking, I was like, man, yeah, I should get Joe Rogan one of my guns. 0.99

01:51:37.000 And then I realized you can't even own it here.

01:51:39.000 I can't?

01:51:40.000 Nope.

01:51:41.000 What can I own?

01:51:42.000 What do you have that I can't own?

01:51:43.000 Well, it's the first gun I've done.

01:51:56.000 Why can't I own it?

01:52:05.000 It's not on.

01:52:06.000 And then, like, you would have to...

01:52:07.000 There's this micro-stamping that's required for any gun that's not on the list, and it's so prohibitive.

01:52:12.000 Yeah, it's weird.

01:52:13.000 So what is the different...

01:52:15.000 What kind of guns are they?

01:52:16.000 What is it?

01:52:18.000 As far as they're prohibited?

01:52:19.000 The one that you have that I can't have.

01:52:21.000 Oh, I can have them pull it up on the side if you want.

01:52:23.000 Okay.

01:52:23.000 You mean that particular gun?

01:52:24.000 Yeah.

01:52:24.000 Oh, yeah.

01:52:25.000 What's about it?

01:52:26.000 Like, what is the specs?

01:52:27.000 They just...

01:52:28.000 It just is.

01:52:30.000 It's just their list of guns.

01:52:32.000 I don't really know exactly.

01:52:33.000 Is it the caliber?

01:52:34.000 No.

01:52:34.000 Is it the semi-automatic capabilities?

01:52:36.000 Nope, because there are semi-automatic guns on the list that you're allowed to own.

01:52:39.000 There are other...

01:52:40.000 So it's just arbitrary?

01:52:41.000 That's what it seems like to me.

01:52:43.000 What kind of gun is it?

01:52:44.000 Tell Jamie.

01:52:45.000 He'll look it up.

01:52:46.000 If you want to pull it up, pull up T-Y-R-E-D-E-F-E-N-S-E, tierdefense.com.

01:52:55.000 There we go.

01:52:56.000 Dum-dum-dum-dum-dum. 1.00

01:52:58.000 Yeah, there's some weird shit. 1.00

01:52:59.000 I mean, we got Jerry Brown as our fucking governor in that goofball. 1.00

01:53:03.000 Is that right? 1.00

01:53:04.000 Let's see.

01:53:05.000 Firearms transfers, work order form, gallery contact.

01:53:09.000 I don't think that's the...

01:53:10.000 Sorry, it's Tier 1. Yeah, that's not it.

01:53:13.000 Tier 1?

01:53:14.000 Yes, it'd be T-Y-R-E. T-Y-R-E. There we go. 1.00

01:53:20.000 Bam.

01:53:21.000 Oh, not Tyree.

01:53:23.000 Oh, God.

01:53:31.000 You're having a really long time.

01:53:32.000 I know you're struggling today, dude.

01:53:33.000 It's not coming up.

01:53:34.000 People are paying attention to me.

01:53:35.000 It usually comes up when I'm typing this stuff, so I don't have to type the whole thing.

01:53:39.000 This is why people can't shoot people when there's a mass shooting going on.

01:53:43.000 Pressure.

01:53:44.000 Actually, no, you see one where it says The Advocate?

01:53:47.000 Yes.

01:53:47.000 That's it.

01:53:49.000 The name of the gun is The Advocate.

01:53:51.000 T-Y-R. Service unavailable.

01:53:54.000 Oh, the hackers.

01:53:55.000 They got to it already. 1.00

01:53:56.000 It's the fucking Russians, bro. 1.00

01:53:57.000 Capacity problems. 1.00

01:53:58.000 Go back again?

01:53:59.000 Capacity problems.

01:54:00.000 I don't know if everyone is Googling it.

01:54:01.000 Do you think we already killed it?

01:54:02.000 We just killed it? 0.80

01:54:02.000 It could be going to take a couple hundred people at a time. 0.80

01:54:04.000 But by the time that it hits YouTube, though, isn't it a minute or two later?

01:54:08.000 20 seconds.

01:54:09.000 20 seconds?

01:54:09.000 Yeah, that's about it.

01:54:10.000 Type in The Advocate and then Koleon Noir.

01:54:13.000 And then see what that does.

01:54:16.000 And then erase tier defense, though.

01:54:22.000 Here we go.

01:54:23.000 Boom, boom, boom.

01:54:24.000 Click on the top. 1.00

01:54:26.000 Damn, we killed that website. 0.99

01:54:28.000 Go to images? 1.00

01:54:29.000 Killed that website.

01:54:30.000 Alright, there you go. 0.50

01:54:30.000 I mean, that's the gun. 0.50

01:54:32.000 Okay, and why?

01:54:33.000 That seems like a normal handgun.

01:54:35.000 It is. 0.99

01:54:36.000 So what the fuck is wrong with it? 0.94

01:54:37.000 Why can't I have it? 0.98

01:54:39.000 Now I want it.

01:54:40.000 Ask the folks.

01:54:40.000 Ask your leaders in California.

01:54:42.000 But what are they saying is wrong with it?

01:54:44.000 Like, specifically?

01:54:45.000 I don't know why they make the decisions they make in California, to be honest with you.

01:54:48.000 What is the specs of this gun?

01:54:50.000 It is a 9mm handgun.

01:54:51.000 Semi-automatic.

01:54:53.000 Is it because it's semi-automatic or no?

01:54:56.000 No, I don't think so.

01:54:57.000 No.

01:54:57.000 I don't think that's the basis.

01:54:59.000 I don't know the complete basis and reasons for why certain guns are allowed handgun-wise in California and others.

01:55:07.000 I'm pretty sure there are going to be a ton of people who tell me this because I have a huge audience in California.

01:55:12.000 I think it's actually one of my biggest audience.

01:55:13.000 There's a lot of gun owners in California.

01:55:17.000 The idea that guns in California are somehow or another rare.

01:55:21.000 The funny thing is the birthplace of AR-15 was in California.

01:55:24.000 Yeah.

01:55:25.000 Well, that's a weird gun.

01:55:26.000 It's a gun that people just have demonized.

01:55:28.000 It's not the most powerful gun.

01:55:30.000 It's not the scariest gun.

01:55:33.000 It just looks military.

01:55:34.000 But they don't even use it in the military.

01:55:35.000 They don't use it in the military.

01:55:37.000 But to be honest with you, if they did, I'd want that gun.

01:55:43.000 Why?

01:55:44.000 Because it's the most effective means to protect myself.

01:55:46.000 I don't understand this idea of neutering guns to the point of irrelevance or ineffectiveness.

01:55:53.000 It's people that don't use guns that have this idea.

01:55:57.000 And this is where we're at now.

01:56:00.000 I think one of the things that I'm getting out of this conversation with you is that there's not really a clean answer.

01:56:06.000 There's not a clean answer.

01:56:07.000 And if there was, people would have figured it out.

01:56:09.000 It's almost like...

01:56:11.000 Society has to continue to evolve, and one of the ways society evolves is having these conversations.

01:56:16.000 You and I having this conversation where a few million people are going to listen to it, and then millions of people on their own having these conversations, and people looking at the reality.

01:56:25.000 And in that way, I think, what you're doing is important, and what a lot of people are doing is important, where they're talking about the actual numbers and the actual statistics and letting us get a look at it.

01:56:36.000 And that's the one thing that I try to convey with my videos.

01:56:40.000 I don't care where you stand on the issue.

01:56:43.000 I just will have a shit ton of more respect for your position if it's from a position of education.

01:56:48.000 If you actually have some knowledge, I'm not saying you have to be a Jedi master of firearms.

01:56:55.000 Just understand the very basics, the fundamentals.

01:56:58.000 We have politicians pushing policy based on things that make no sense.

01:57:03.000 It actually exposes the fact that they don't know anything about firearms.

01:57:07.000 And so it's like you're going to push policy on something that you don't know anything about.

01:57:11.000 And so it's disingenuous and inherently dishonest.

01:57:15.000 So that's the biggest frustration I have.

01:57:17.000 I'm going to educate you and give you the information that you need so that you can make an informed opinion about it.

01:57:23.000 If at the end of the day, I take you shooting, I tell you the stats, I tell you about how guns function and how they work, if you still are anti-gun, I can respect that.

01:57:33.000 Now, that doesn't mean you get to then push your anti-gun agenda onto me and limit my rights because of it, but I can respect that.

01:57:39.000 At least we can walk away and say, hey, look, We look at it from a different perspective.

01:57:43.000 I appreciate that.

01:57:44.000 I think we're also faced with the reality of the sheer number of guns that we have in this country.

01:57:48.000 It's a staggering number.

01:57:49.000 And you're not going to just take those away.

01:57:51.000 You're not.

01:57:52.000 Where are you going to put them?

01:57:54.000 And that's just...

01:57:54.000 Now, there's some people who are like, well, we can devolve the number over time, right?

01:57:58.000 We can just put these laws in, and it can get bad for a little bit, but then over time...

01:58:01.000 I like how you're doing that weird voice when you say...

01:58:03.000 Yeah, I always do that, right?

01:58:04.000 That's the anti-gun voice.

01:58:05.000 That's the anti-gun voice.

01:58:07.000 Would you be interested in sitting down, like maybe on this show, if I had an anti-gun advocate?

01:58:13.000 I beg for it.

01:58:14.000 Okay.

01:58:15.000 Not to say...

01:58:16.000 Here's the thing.

01:58:17.000 Someone reasonable.

01:58:18.000 Here's the thing.

01:58:19.000 I'm not trying to get up here and crush this person and all that stuff.

01:58:23.000 I've done that to death.

01:58:26.000 But I do want to have the conversation.

01:58:28.000 And I've done it on my show.

01:58:30.000 The only problem is it's too easy to ignore it because of the platform that it's on.

01:58:34.000 Have you had someone on your show that made reasonable points?

01:58:38.000 Like, if somebody wanted to watch you in some sort of a debate with an anti-gun person, is there a show that you could recommend that people could go watch right now?

01:58:47.000 That I was on?

01:58:47.000 Yes.

01:58:48.000 No.

01:58:48.000 On your show?

01:58:48.000 On my show?

01:58:49.000 Yeah.

01:58:50.000 We'll see the thing, though.

01:58:51.000 So...

01:58:53.000 One of the biggest flaws of the people that were on my show that I had that conversation with is you could instantly see – it was more of an education process because you could tell they didn't know much.

01:59:04.000 So what would happen is if they make a point about why they believe this, then I would give them information and then it would be like, oh, okay.

01:59:12.000 You see what I'm saying?

01:59:13.000 Yeah, I do see what you see.

01:59:14.000 I'm sure there's someone out there that is educated and is anti-gun.

01:59:19.000 We'll have someone find them.

01:59:21.000 I have a publicist.

01:59:22.000 We'll have him.

01:59:23.000 We'll have Matt Staggs on it.

01:59:25.000 Please, let me know, because I'd be all for it.

01:59:27.000 Yeah.

01:59:27.000 I really would.

01:59:28.000 There's probably someone out there that's reasonable, that has good points, and has a well-thought-out, sound argument.

01:59:35.000 It would be interesting to listen to you talk to that person.

01:59:38.000 Absolutely.

01:59:38.000 But I think one of the things we could take away from this is that this is a...

01:59:42.000 It's a messy situation.

01:59:44.000 It's not clean.

01:59:46.000 It's not like, hey, we're putting poison in the water.

01:59:50.000 Stop putting poison in the water.

01:59:51.000 Clean up the water.

01:59:52.000 It is not that simple.

01:59:53.000 No, it's not at all.

01:59:54.000 It's super complicated.

01:59:55.000 It deals with mental health.

01:59:57.000 It deals with freedom.

01:59:59.000 And it deals with law-abiding people who aren't doing anything wrong.

02:00:02.000 Where people are trying to take away their rights.

02:00:04.000 They're enthusiasts.

02:00:06.000 They love guns.

02:00:07.000 Look, here's a perfect example.

02:00:09.000 You're sitting here with a gun on your shirt.

02:00:12.000 What kind of gun is that?

02:00:13.000 AR-15.

02:00:14.000 You have an AR-15?

02:00:15.000 Yeah.

02:00:15.000 I actually sell these.

02:00:16.000 I have an archery shirt on.

02:00:18.000 I could walk anywhere with this.

02:00:20.000 No one would feel threatened. 1.00

02:00:21.000 I'll kill the fuck out of you with this bow. 1.00

02:00:23.000 But no one would feel threatened. 1.00

02:00:25.000 But if you walk around with that, people will...

02:00:29.000 Yeah, they'll feel some type of way.

02:00:30.000 Oh, you are.

02:00:31.000 What are you doing?

02:00:32.000 You're a gun guy.

02:00:33.000 Are you telling people you have that on you?

02:00:35.000 Is that what you're saying?

02:00:36.000 Are you warning people that you're a dangerous person?

02:00:39.000 Oh, you're an archery enthusiast.

02:00:40.000 Oh, I did archery at camp.

02:00:42.000 When I was in the Boy Scouts, we shot bows.

02:00:44.000 We shot recurves.

02:00:45.000 I'm going to start opening girls at the bar with that. 1.00

02:00:47.000 I shoot archery.

02:00:49.000 It's not a bad move, man.

02:00:50.000 It's not a bad move.

02:00:52.000 So listen, I appreciate the conversation.

02:00:54.000 I don't think we got anywhere, but I don't think you can.

02:00:56.000 I think we talked about it.

02:00:58.000 Well, I mean, to be honest with you, it's a conversation that needs...

02:01:00.000 So here's what happens.

02:01:01.000 Things happen in our reality that force a specific focus on the part of the conversation.

02:01:07.000 Right.

02:01:07.000 And so, of course, we weren't going to...

02:01:09.000 I don't know how long we've been here.

02:01:10.000 How long have we been here?

02:01:10.000 Two hours.

02:01:11.000 Two hours, right?

02:01:13.000 We've been having this gun debate for how long now in this country?

02:01:16.000 Hundreds of years, yeah.

02:01:17.000 Yeah.

02:01:17.000 But I think for a lot of people, especially the people who follow me, they wanted me to come on your show, not because you and I were going to come to an answer, but to educate.

02:01:26.000 Right.

02:01:27.000 Well, also to have what we have on the show, what I try to have on the show, just discussions.

02:01:32.000 Just talk about things.

02:01:33.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:01:33.000 And let people talk.

02:01:34.000 Let people express themselves.

02:01:36.000 And I think you definitely did that today.

02:01:37.000 You expressed yourself.

02:01:38.000 You're a very reasonable guy. 0.85

02:01:40.000 Anybody who looks at you and says that you're a maniacal gun nut, You're pulling that out of your own head.

02:01:45.000 But I would love to do that. 0.98

02:01:47.000 And we'll try to find somebody.

02:01:48.000 We'll try to find somebody if you're open to that.

02:01:50.000 Absolutely.

02:01:50.000 Try to find somebody that could argue the point.

02:01:52.000 But thank you, brother.

02:01:53.000 I really appreciate it, man.

02:01:54.000 Thanks for having me.

02:01:54.000 Great talking to you, man.

02:01:55.000 All right, folks.

02:01:56.000 We'll be back very shortly.

02:01:57.000 We have a second round two today with Sam Harris and Majid Nawaz.

02:02:02.000 See you soon.

02:02:02.000 Bye.

The Joe Rogan Experience - April 18, 2018

Joe Rogan Experience #1106 - Colion Noir

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