The Joe Rogan Experience - May 05, 2018


Joe Rogan Experience #1112 - Cameron Hanes

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In this episode, we talk about a 6.9 earthquake that hit the Big Island, and how we managed to hunt a bunch of deer in the middle of the night on a volcano. We also talk a little bit about hunting in general, and talk about the history of hunting deer in general. We hope you enjoy this episode and that it makes you want to go deer hunting! If you like hunting, you'll definitely want to check out this episode of the podcast, because it's pretty cool! Logo by Courtney DeKorte. Theme by Mavus White. Music by PSOVOD and tyops. All rights reserved. Used by permission. This episode was produced and edited by Riley Bray. The opinions stated here are our own, not those of our companies, unless otherwise stated. We do not own the rights to any music used in this episode. It was produced, produced, and licensed under a Creative Commons BY-NC-SA license. All credit given to original artists, music copyright of their respective owners. and their respective record labels. No other compensation is being paid for this episode except as stated, except where otherwise indicated. Thank you for your support and support is being given. I am not responsible for the production of this podcast, other than that of any other third party services provided by my clients. Please do not claim any other person(s) or third-party services provided. other than those of their own their own distribution, except that which is not their own liability, except as expressed in the rights of third parties. except that of their fair use in this podcast or service provider. or such other third parties, other such compensation is not claimed by third party compensation. You are not required to provide their fair and fair compensation, etc., unless otherwise indicated, etc. , etc. Thank you to whom you choose to pay for this podcasting services. - Thank you, we are not compensated for the use of this material or compensation, unless stated, etc.. - we do not receive any such compensation, except in any other compensation, other compensation or compensation is required. of course, we have no such thing. etc., etc., except where else is indicated or other such thing is indicated in accordance with this podcast is stated or otherwise is stated, other promotion or promotion or such such thing being provided by the listener discretion.

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00:00:02.000 Boom.
00:00:02.000 And we're live.
00:00:04.000 Back from Hawaii right before it fucking blows up and sinks into the ocean. 0.99
00:00:08.000 Just in time. 0.99
00:00:09.000 Woo! 0.99
00:00:09.000 We barely made it. 0.99
00:00:10.000 When we were flying above the Big Island, as we were flying above...
00:00:14.000 What's the matter?
00:00:16.000 Okay.
00:00:17.000 As we were flying above the Big Island, a 6.9 earthquake blew up.
00:00:22.000 Yeah.
00:00:23.000 That's not good.
00:00:24.000 No. 0.99
00:00:24.000 Shane Dorian fucking lives there! 0.99
00:00:25.000 We looked out the window and saw the island, like, explode and sink. 0.99
00:00:30.000 Remember that?
00:00:30.000 It was sad.
00:00:31.000 That was sad.
00:00:32.000 But at least, I mean, we had a good hunt.
00:00:34.000 People were surfing, though.
00:00:35.000 Yeah.
00:00:35.000 They caught those waves.
00:00:36.000 They were worried about a tsunami.
00:00:38.000 Nah, it's not going to sink, but it's going to get bigger.
00:00:41.000 That's what it is. 0.99
00:00:41.000 I mean, the whole thing's a fucking volcano. 0.99
00:00:43.000 People are shocked. 1.00
00:00:44.000 Wait, the volcano's a volcano?
00:00:46.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:00:46.000 Yeah, you live on a goddamn volcano. 1.00
00:00:49.000 Oh, I wish it would have been able to fly over it, though. 1.00
00:00:52.000 How epic would that have been?
00:00:53.000 Yeah, I was looking at the map of the way we fly. 0.98
00:00:56.000 We fly so we can't see it the entire way, which is bullshit. 0.99
00:01:00.000 Plus, it was cloudy, which is also bullshit. 0.99
00:01:03.000 Yeah. 0.99
00:01:04.000 That would have been cool.
00:01:05.000 I even asked the guy, like, which way do we go?
00:01:08.000 Yeah.
00:01:08.000 Like, that would be fucking awesome if we flew over that thing.
00:01:11.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:01:12.000 Ooh, fuck living on a volcano, though. 1.00
00:01:15.000 Oh, man. 1.00
00:01:15.000 Good place to visit, though. 1.00
00:01:16.000 It was beautiful.
00:01:18.000 Oh, stunning.
00:01:19.000 Yeah, it was great.
00:01:20.000 And where we were, we were on Lanai.
00:01:22.000 And Lanai's an interesting place.
00:01:25.000 3,000 people, 20,000 deer.
00:01:29.000 Right.
00:01:29.000 And so you do the math and you think, hey, this is going to be gravy.
00:01:33.000 There is way more deer than people, but...
00:01:37.000 God, it's tough.
00:01:39.000 It's tough.
00:01:39.000 Tough hunting.
00:01:40.000 Tough hunting, for sure.
00:01:41.000 Well, this is one of the best examples of, if you want to make an argument for hunting, like this, in certain situations, this is probably the best example.
00:01:52.000 You must control the population of these animals.
00:01:54.000 They don't have any predators.
00:01:55.000 And they evolved around tigers.
00:01:57.000 They come from India.
00:01:58.000 So these Axis deer, they were a gift from Hong Kong to King Kamehameha V. I saw your history lesson. 0.82
00:02:07.000 Yeah, in 1860. I was getting all into it today because I wanted to make my post about it.
00:02:11.000 That was awesome.
00:02:12.000 So, what was the number that they shoot?
00:02:16.000 How many did they shoot a week just to feed people and control the population?
00:02:20.000 They said 1,500, but not a week, was it?
00:02:22.000 No, I think it was 30 a day.
00:02:24.000 Oh, okay, yeah, yeah.
00:02:25.000 I think they were saying they shoot 30 a day.
00:02:27.000 Because they have to go at night.
00:02:29.000 Yep.
00:02:30.000 With night vision scopes.
00:02:32.000 And shoot does. 0.96
00:02:33.000 Yeah, just to take them out. 1.00
00:02:34.000 Just to take them out.
00:02:35.000 So many deer.
00:02:36.000 When we were there at night, first of all, I got super lucky.
00:02:41.000 Thanks to you.
00:02:42.000 You let me take that deer.
00:02:43.000 But right when we landed, we went to scout.
00:02:46.000 We got out of the car.
00:02:48.000 We went and looked around.
00:02:49.000 And within five minutes, we saw a buck feeding in a doable spot.
00:02:54.000 I creeped in.
00:02:55.000 It was total...
00:02:56.000 It just gives you a distorted perception of your chances of success though.
00:03:01.000 Because for the next five days I got nothing until the last day.
00:03:05.000 But in 15 minutes I got the first deer.
00:03:08.000 But when you get there, you realize how switched on these things are.
00:03:14.000 There's nothing like these things.
00:03:16.000 No.
00:03:17.000 I've hunted in Africa, and the antelope there are pretty quick also, just like that, just because of lions and hyenas.
00:03:24.000 Yeah, just twitchy.
00:03:25.000 Just super jumpy.
00:03:27.000 Twitchy.
00:03:27.000 But these deer are very similar, just quick.
00:03:30.000 When we were leaving that night, when you and me and Adam were in the truck, and we were leaving, and we turned the lights on in the truck, and you could see hundreds of deer in front of us.
00:03:39.000 It was the craziest.
00:03:41.000 It was like a crowd being let out of a concert or something.
00:03:44.000 Yeah, or basketball game.
00:03:46.000 Yeah.
00:03:46.000 Oh, basketball game's over.
00:03:47.000 Because it was just, they're coming out of the trees, crossing the road into the open field where we've been hunting, and it's just hundreds.
00:03:55.000 You can't imagine.
00:03:56.000 If you haven't been there, you can't imagine.
00:03:58.000 And if you moved there, or if you just went there for a few days, you'd kind of get it.
00:04:03.000 You'd be like, okay, what do you do about these things?
00:04:05.000 Well, you can't give them birth control. 1.00
00:04:07.000 I mean, they eat grass.
00:04:09.000 So, like, how are you going to stop them from breeding?
00:04:11.000 You're not.
00:04:12.000 So what are you going to do?
00:04:13.000 Are you going to introduce tigers to lanai?
00:04:15.000 That would be cool.
00:04:16.000 That may be the only way to do it.
00:04:17.000 Other than hunters.
00:04:18.000 Yeah.
00:04:18.000 And they're going to start eating people.
00:04:20.000 Just hunting.
00:04:20.000 Yeah.
00:04:21.000 And it's such a destination for just getting good deer meat.
00:04:25.000 Yeah.
00:04:25.000 And I was thinking about it, too.
00:04:28.000 That stretch where those hundreds of deer cross the highway, you know, that's...
00:04:31.000 I mean, it's as straight as can be.
00:04:32.000 You can see...
00:04:34.000 I mean, great visibility, but the speed limit's 35. I think it's because deer are always jumping out in front of cars there.
00:04:41.000 Oh yeah, for sure.
00:04:42.000 People would be dying.
00:04:43.000 So it seems like, why is it 35?
00:04:45.000 This is like, it should be 70, but so many deer.
00:04:49.000 I think it's also because they're like, where are you going?
00:04:51.000 Slow down, eh?
00:04:52.000 There's no hurry.
00:04:54.000 What's the hurry, man?
00:04:55.000 Yeah.
00:04:56.000 Relax.
00:04:57.000 I mean, 3,000 people on the island.
00:04:59.000 Maybe that, yeah, that's part of it, too.
00:05:01.000 That island's so relaxed, and the people are so friendly.
00:05:03.000 That's an awesome, awesome place.
00:05:05.000 Yeah, it was, I'm, anytime I go on a hunt, I mean, I'm thankful for the experience and for seeing the animals, but also meeting the people, you know, Alec, Bob the Butcher.
00:05:18.000 Yeah.
00:05:18.000 There's just, like, these people that are ingrained in In your memory, that's such a special part of the trip also.
00:05:26.000 Yeah, the experience is very unusual because there's really not a place like that that I know of anywhere on the planet that's just a small island with a small population of people and a massive population of the most delicious animals in the world. 0.91
00:05:43.000 And even though there's so many of them, good fucking luck getting one.
00:05:47.000 We had our friend Ben O'Brien, he went home empty-handed. 0.98
00:05:51.000 So one of us in a group of very experienced hunters...
00:05:56.000 I mean, other than me, everybody in that group is super, super experienced.
00:05:59.000 And still, it's no cakewalk.
00:06:03.000 These things are switched on.
00:06:05.000 And they dodge arrows like they're in the Matrix.
00:06:08.000 I mean, it's crazy.
00:06:09.000 There's no gimmies.
00:06:10.000 I mean, you can do everything right.
00:06:13.000 You can think in your head, well, I traveled all the way here.
00:06:16.000 I'm here to hunt.
00:06:18.000 I need to take meat home.
00:06:20.000 It doesn't matter.
00:06:21.000 Those deer, there's no gimmies.
00:06:23.000 They're trying to stay alive.
00:06:25.000 And they know what's up.
00:06:27.000 They get hunted.
00:06:28.000 I don't know if it's every day, because when their antlers fall off, the bucks probably are hunted.
00:06:33.000 But because they're killing does at night, they're hunted.
00:06:37.000 Most days out of the year.
00:06:39.000 Yeah.
00:06:39.000 So they are as wired as it can be.
00:06:42.000 I mean, because they're used to being pursued.
00:06:44.000 Yeah, it's different than, say, like, whitetail deer.
00:06:48.000 Like, whitetail deer seem to kind of know when hunting season comes around.
00:06:52.000 Yeah.
00:06:52.000 Like, when their velvet drops off, and they rub their velvet off, and then the females start coming into season, that's when they get fucking sketchy and nervous, because they know that guns are going to be going off.
00:07:03.000 Yeah. 0.73
00:07:03.000 Arrows are going to be flying their way. 0.73
00:07:05.000 But you catch them during the summer, they're just kind of chilling.
00:07:08.000 These things are never chilling.
00:07:10.000 Or in the winter after season, they're more focused on food and putting on some weight to make it through the winter.
00:07:18.000 So other than hunting season, they are more chill.
00:07:21.000 But these things, I don't think they ever get a day off.
00:07:23.000 They don't get a day off.
00:07:24.000 And they can't give them a day off.
00:07:25.000 Because if everybody said, hey man, let's just leave these animals alone, man.
00:07:31.000 If they did, they would all die either of starvation or they would die.
00:07:35.000 They had to eradicate the goat population on the island because people brought goats there.
00:07:40.000 And the goats literally had decimated the vegetation to the point where the island started going into a drought.
00:08:04.000 Oh, I see.
00:08:08.000 Trees were dying.
00:08:09.000 Everything was dying.
00:08:10.000 And they're in the process right now in Maui.
00:08:13.000 They have this gigantic area that they are trying to eradicate deer from.
00:08:18.000 And they want to fence it in to let the forest regrow.
00:08:22.000 Because the forest doesn't have a chance to regrow with, again, same animal, axis deer.
00:08:26.000 Because they just eat all the little baby trees. 0.99
00:08:28.000 As the little trees are coming up, they just chew those fuckers up. 1.00
00:08:31.000 And that's what they eat. 0.99
00:08:32.000 They eat shoots.
00:08:33.000 They want the new browse.
00:08:34.000 Yeah.
00:08:34.000 Yeah, new growth.
00:08:35.000 Yeah.
00:08:36.000 Well, it's, I mean, as far as our trip goes, and that was another thing I wanted to mention, too, is that you said the group of people, Ben was one of them, but we had just an awesome group of hunters.
00:08:47.000 They're all our friends, basically.
00:08:50.000 And some of the best bow hunters in the world, and it was, man.
00:08:54.000 It was a good time.
00:08:55.000 Hearing the stories from everybody was, then John Dudley made an amazing meal, cooked up some meat one night, and it's...
00:09:04.000 How good is his cooking?
00:09:05.000 Really good, man.
00:09:06.000 And that deer, Axis deer, is so delicious.
00:09:09.000 It's incredible.
00:09:11.000 It goes with my theory that the fastest things are the most delicious.
00:09:14.000 Because they're trying to get away because they know they taste good.
00:09:16.000 Yeah, maybe.
00:09:18.000 Might be something to that.
00:09:19.000 Salmon?
00:09:19.000 How good is salmon?
00:09:20.000 They're like, get me the fuck out of here! 0.98
00:09:22.000 I don't like fish. 0.97
00:09:23.000 You don't like fish at all?
00:09:24.000 I like halibut.
00:09:24.000 I like white fish.
00:09:26.000 Interesting.
00:09:27.000 Yeah.
00:09:29.000 Shane Dorian, Big Wave Surfer slash Awesome Bowhunter.
00:09:33.000 Yeah.
00:09:33.000 Remy Warren, our buddy Adam Greentree, Sam Soholt, Ben O'Brien.
00:09:40.000 Yeah.
00:09:41.000 I don't know Will's last name.
00:09:43.000 Will from Yeti?
00:09:44.000 Yeah.
00:09:44.000 I don't know either.
00:09:45.000 I don't know.
00:09:45.000 Yeah, nice guy.
00:09:46.000 Yeah, great guy. 1.00
00:09:47.000 But I mean, what a fucking crew. 0.99
00:09:49.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:09:49.000 So awesome. 1.00
00:09:50.000 It was great.
00:09:52.000 And just so much respect for guys like those guys who are at the top of their game.
00:09:59.000 You know what I mean?
00:09:59.000 Boat hunting, I don't think people realize how hard it is.
00:10:03.000 No.
00:10:03.000 So when I see these guys go out and they're successful with basically a sharp stick, you know, it's, especially on an animal like that, so a lot of these people, it's new country, like Adam hadn't been there, I hadn't, I had never been there.
00:10:18.000 When you see guys go out there and do that on a new hunt, a new country for new animals, it's impressive. 0.82
00:10:25.000 Well that, we really did, like look at that, that's the goddamn A-team taking me and Kimmy out of the mix, and Will, let's be honest. 0.87
00:10:35.000 He got a deer, though. 0.97
00:10:36.000 He did get a deer. 1.00
00:10:37.000 I'm just fucking with him. 0.99
00:10:37.000 He's a good dude. 0.99
00:10:38.000 No, he's nice. 0.99
00:10:38.000 I mean, what I'm saying is, like, you and Dudley and Adam and Remy, I mean, fucking straight assassins. 0.99
00:10:45.000 And Shane. 0.99
00:10:45.000 Yeah, Shane. 0.99
00:10:46.000 And he lives out there.
00:10:47.000 People don't know.
00:10:48.000 Shane is world-renowned as a big wave surfer, but he's an awesome bowhunter.
00:10:53.000 I mean, he's really excellent and does it all the time out there.
00:10:57.000 Spot and stalk, crawling around the bushes.
00:10:59.000 I crawled.
00:11:00.000 I mean, you were there the last day when I shot my last deer.
00:11:03.000 I crawled a quarter of a mile.
00:11:05.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:11:05.000 To get to these fuckers. 1.00
00:11:07.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:11:07.000 They were up on the hill. 1.00
00:11:08.000 I was watching you guys from an elevated spot up on top of the hill.
00:11:12.000 And when you guys were up walking...
00:11:16.000 From a mile, I could see you easy.
00:11:18.000 You know, I mean, binoculars, no problem.
00:11:20.000 And then all of a sudden, you're gone.
00:11:21.000 And so I sent Alec a text.
00:11:23.000 I'm like, why are you guys hiding from me?
00:11:24.000 Because I would have to really glass, really glass.
00:11:27.000 And then I'd be like, there's a head.
00:11:28.000 Okay, there's a head.
00:11:29.000 Okay, now I see you guys.
00:11:31.000 But it was, yeah, crawling for a long time.
00:11:34.000 Let me think how long.
00:11:37.000 I would say an hour almost.
00:11:39.000 Yeah, we crawled for an hour.
00:11:40.000 An hour to get a quarter mile.
00:11:42.000 And that is a lot of work.
00:11:44.000 You know, you got a bow.
00:11:45.000 So you had a bow in your hand.
00:11:46.000 Al didn't have anything.
00:11:47.000 But you're moving that bow with each whatever you crawling step and it's basically doing a plank for an hour.
00:11:56.000 Yeah.
00:11:57.000 I was winded by the time we got to where the deer were.
00:12:01.000 And I was like, take a deep breath, take a deep breath.
00:12:03.000 Because we got within 55 yards.
00:12:04.000 And I'm like, we're good right here.
00:12:06.000 This is a good spot.
00:12:07.000 We're behind a bush.
00:12:09.000 But my shoulders were sore.
00:12:11.000 It was like I was doing push-ups.
00:12:13.000 Because you're crawling like a cat.
00:12:17.000 And you're trying to be super quiet.
00:12:19.000 So if you saw us do it...
00:12:22.000 People that are listening, you're crawling, but you're not just kind of crawling along.
00:12:26.000 No.
00:12:27.000 You're crawling as quietly as you can.
00:12:30.000 Yeah.
00:12:30.000 And give me a deep respect for camouflage, too.
00:12:34.000 Like, I was wearing a camouflage face mask and a hat, and I had a camouflage backpack.
00:12:39.000 By the final day, I had gloves on. 0.96
00:12:41.000 I was fucking fully camoed. 0.98
00:12:43.000 I took the shoes off. 0.99
00:12:44.000 We were crawling.
00:12:45.000 A lot of it was in wool socks just so you could be even more quiet.
00:12:49.000 Yeah.
00:12:49.000 Yeah.
00:12:50.000 You can't take too great of measures on being more stealthy or quiet on these animals.
00:12:56.000 Yeah.
00:12:57.000 And immediately I put up a post and I saw one negative comment. 0.99
00:13:02.000 I'm like, I'm not even reading this shit. 0.99
00:13:04.000 One of the things that happened while I was there was my phone fucked up. 0.99
00:13:08.000 I dropped my phone on the first day. 0.89
00:13:09.000 Mm-hmm.
00:13:09.000 And when I dropped my phone on the first day, it just went haywire.
00:13:12.000 It wouldn't work anymore.
00:13:13.000 And so I had to get a new phone.
00:13:14.000 So I ordered a new phone and had it shipped to the island.
00:13:17.000 And when I was doing that, I didn't use anything.
00:13:19.000 I didn't use any apps.
00:13:21.000 I didn't check my email.
00:13:22.000 I didn't check Twitter.
00:13:23.000 And I felt better.
00:13:26.000 I felt better.
00:13:27.000 You went cold turkey.
00:13:28.000 I went cold turkey for three days.
00:13:30.000 And while I was out there going cold turkey, I was like, I feel better.
00:13:34.000 Like, this is better.
00:13:35.000 Like, checking all that stuff all the time.
00:13:38.000 Like, do I need to know about the Mueller probe 24-7?
00:13:41.000 Do I? No, I don't think so.
00:13:42.000 Do I need to?
00:13:43.000 I don't.
00:13:43.000 What about Stormy Daniels?
00:13:45.000 Do I need to know what the latest Stormy Daniels lawsuit is? 0.93
00:13:50.000 If I was a super billionaire character, I'd give Stormy Daniels money and go, please stop. 0.99
00:13:55.000 Everybody.
00:13:55.000 I don't want any here.
00:13:57.000 What do you want?
00:13:57.000 You want money?
00:13:58.000 You want money?
00:13:59.000 I'm not even saying that he's not guilty or that she's in the wrong.
00:14:04.000 I don't think she is, but what are you looking for?
00:14:06.000 Can we get this out of the news?
00:14:08.000 I don't need to hear this anymore. 1.00
00:14:09.000 He fucked you. 1.00
00:14:10.000 I get it. 1.00
00:14:11.000 A lot of people fucked a lot of people since that time. 0.98
00:14:14.000 You know what's irritating? 0.72
00:14:15.000 What?
00:14:15.000 You pay $135,000, like, okay, so you're going to just keep it on the DL, right?
00:14:20.000 We're good, $135,000, and then get the money?
00:14:23.000 Now she's talking.
00:14:24.000 What kind of deal is that?
00:14:25.000 I don't think she has that money anymore. 1.00
00:14:28.000 I think she spent it.
00:14:29.000 Oh, she needs more money. 1.00
00:14:30.000 I think she needs more money, yeah. 1.00
00:14:32.000 And I think she realizes this is an opportunity for, you know, I don't know how to look at it.
00:14:39.000 Because on one hand, I'm like, well, I think we should hold the president up to higher standards.
00:14:45.000 And you shouldn't be able to just lie all the time and be the president.
00:14:49.000 Because how could we trust you if it comes to something serious, like a war with China or something crazy or invading Iran?
00:14:56.000 Let's just go off the charts with craziness.
00:14:59.000 Yeah.
00:14:59.000 I gotta be able to trust you with everything.
00:15:02.000 If I can't trust you, that you don't want to tell everybody that you banged a porn star, wouldn't it be great if you just had a press conference and, ladies and gentlemen, who cares?
00:15:11.000 Who cares? 0.99
00:15:12.000 I enjoy sex. 0.99
00:15:14.000 I enjoy sex. 0.99
00:15:15.000 I'm a heterosexual man. 0.99
00:15:16.000 Look at my beautiful wife Melania.
00:15:17.000 Ten years before he was elected or whatever it was. 1.00
00:15:20.000 I shouldn't have fucked this porn star, but I couldn't help myself. 1.00
00:15:23.000 I'm a pig, but I'm doing a good job as a president. 1.00
00:15:26.000 Economy is up. 0.97
00:15:27.000 Unemployment's down.
00:15:29.000 Thank you.
00:15:29.000 Good night.
00:15:30.000 Support the troops.
00:15:31.000 Support the troops.
00:15:32.000 Support the NRA. Hey, but here's one thing.
00:15:35.000 So, you say you can't trust them because if you lie about this stuff.
00:15:39.000 Yeah.
00:15:39.000 But, okay.
00:15:41.000 So, you say another president.
00:15:43.000 How do you know they're not lying?
00:15:44.000 They are lying.
00:15:44.000 Yeah.
00:15:45.000 So, I mean...
00:15:45.000 I think they've all lied.
00:15:47.000 I think...
00:15:47.000 Look, one of the things that...
00:15:49.000 You know, I had a conversation with a friend of mine about Hillary Clinton.
00:15:52.000 And he's a big Hillary Clinton supporter to the point where...
00:15:56.000 It's like Jamie with the Cavaliers hat on.
00:15:59.000 He might as well have a Hillary Clinton hat on. 0.97
00:16:00.000 Do they have those?
00:16:02.000 I'm sure they do.
00:16:03.000 I'm sure they have them, right?
00:16:04.000 I'm with her.
00:16:05.000 This guy, him and his wife, are both super Hillary supporters.
00:16:09.000 And I'm like, it doesn't bother you at all that she deleted 30,000 emails.
00:16:14.000 It doesn't bother you at all.
00:16:14.000 They told her, there's a probe, we need to see all your emails.
00:16:18.000 She just deleted them all.
00:16:19.000 That doesn't bother you?
00:16:20.000 That doesn't seem like maybe she's a liar?
00:16:22.000 And then when you hear Comey's account of what happened versus her account of what happened, she's clearly not being honest.
00:16:29.000 That doesn't bother you?
00:16:30.000 And he's like, well, I think in comparison she doesn't lie as much.
00:16:33.000 I'm like, what are you talking about?
00:16:34.000 I'm like, these are lies.
00:16:35.000 It doesn't matter in comparison.
00:16:37.000 So my point is, I think anybody who gets to that level of that business is slimy in one way or another.
00:16:45.000 Everyone's slimy.
00:16:46.000 Maybe.
00:16:48.000 But we would like you to not be.
00:16:51.000 Yeah, it'd be great.
00:16:52.000 We'd like everybody to not be.
00:16:54.000 Yeah, he...
00:16:55.000 I don't know.
00:16:56.000 I think the only way to get to the bottom of it is get him on the podcast.
00:17:01.000 I would love to get him on the podcast.
00:17:02.000 I'd love to get him drunk.
00:17:03.000 He doesn't drink.
00:17:05.000 Oh, that's what I was wondering.
00:17:07.000 So, you know, most people have podcasts that aren't...
00:17:12.000 The Joe Rogan.
00:17:14.000 But that's almost true right now.
00:17:15.000 Most people do have podcasts.
00:17:17.000 No, I know.
00:17:17.000 Okay, let me finish.
00:17:19.000 So most people that do, they'd be like, they got this dream guest list, the wish list.
00:17:26.000 I'd love to have these people.
00:17:28.000 When I was thinking about you, it seems like, and I don't know, I'm not you, but Courtney DeWalter, the people you're interested in are more important to you than, say, the President of the United States.
00:17:44.000 So how do you...
00:17:47.000 Do you have a wish list of guests?
00:17:49.000 I don't have a wish list.
00:17:50.000 No?
00:17:51.000 No.
00:17:51.000 We were talking about this on the plane ride.
00:17:54.000 I like talking to my friends.
00:17:56.000 I like talking to you.
00:17:57.000 I like talking to interesting people like the sleep expert I had on the other day, Matthew Walker.
00:18:02.000 No, I don't like him.
00:18:03.000 He was giving me negative stuff.
00:18:05.000 He only sleeps three hours a night.
00:18:08.000 So I didn't like that.
00:18:10.000 I'm going to ignore that you said that guy.
00:18:13.000 Monday we have Michael Chandler.
00:18:15.000 I'm looking forward to that.
00:18:16.000 I like talking to interesting people.
00:18:19.000 They don't have to be famous to me at all.
00:18:21.000 Some of my favorite podcasts are people that aren't famous at all.
00:18:25.000 I like people that...
00:18:28.000 Are interesting.
00:18:29.000 I mean, that's obviously a pretty blanket statement, but I like people that are doing things that are unique, people that are, like, masters at a craft, people that are working hard, people that inspire me.
00:18:44.000 I like to be inspired, you know, I like...
00:18:46.000 I like talking to people who are curious and who've studied things, you know, whether it's Sean Carroll or Neil deGrasse Tyson or people that understand things that I don't understand so I can pick their brain and ask them questions about stuff.
00:18:59.000 That to me is interesting.
00:19:00.000 But Trump, sitting down with Trump would be to me like A lot like sitting down with my friend Alex Jones.
00:19:07.000 It'd be like, okay, you're the best.
00:19:11.000 I would be like, okay, if you talk to him for three hours, what kind of crazy stuff would come out?
00:19:16.000 It'd be awesome.
00:19:17.000 I really think that if he wasn't president, I would like him.
00:19:21.000 I would like him.
00:19:22.000 I would think he's a character.
00:19:23.000 If I didn't have business to do with him, where I was worried about getting screwed over in some sort of a deal or something like that, I would like him.
00:19:30.000 Because I would think he's a wild man.
00:19:32.000 He's a character. 1.00
00:19:33.000 He's a fucking seven-year-old dude with crazy fucking hair. 1.00
00:19:37.000 He wears a red baseball hat everywhere that says, Make America Great Again on. 1.00
00:19:41.000 That's awesome.
00:19:42.000 You can't even wear that hat in bars.
00:19:44.000 Could you imagine that he is so divisive, people are so conflicted one side or the other against him, that if you wear that hat, they will kick you out of places.
00:19:55.000 What world do we live in where you can't wear something that says, make America great again?
00:20:02.000 Yeah.
00:20:02.000 How could that be considered anything but positive?
00:20:05.000 I don't understand.
00:20:06.000 But people hate him so much.
00:20:10.000 So that's, to me, even a great accomplishment from what he's done.
00:20:15.000 He's got so much hate and he's still...
00:20:17.000 Look at all the positives that happen.
00:20:19.000 Well, most people don't think any positives have happened.
00:20:22.000 Am I most people?
00:20:24.000 No, no.
00:20:24.000 Because I think there has been.
00:20:25.000 Well, I think most people live in an echo chamber. 0.94
00:20:28.000 And if you're like my friend who's a giant Hillary Clinton supporter, all you hear is Trump's the devil.
00:20:33.000 And he was completely convinced that it was going down and Trump's going to be kicked out of office in the first 60 days.
00:20:41.000 And he's like, trust me, it's not going to last a year.
00:20:42.000 I'm like, it's not going to last a year?
00:20:44.000 A year later, he's crying. 0.99
00:20:46.000 He's fucking pulling his hair out. 0.99
00:20:47.000 He's going crazy. 1.00
00:20:49.000 Remember Keith Olbermann?
00:20:50.000 Keith Olbermann, he retired that show.
00:20:53.000 He's like, I don't need to do this anymore.
00:20:55.000 It's just a matter of days. 0.98
00:20:57.000 That was fucking six months ago. 0.99
00:20:59.000 Yeah. 0.99
00:20:59.000 I think. 0.99
00:21:00.000 When did he quit the resistance?
00:21:01.000 I don't know.
00:21:02.000 It wasn't soon enough. 0.98
00:21:03.000 I think he just had to fucking take a break. 0.98
00:21:06.000 I think he was losing his marbles. 0.98
00:21:07.000 Well, no, but they're so interested in the negative narrative that they won't even promote anything positive.
00:21:14.000 So it's like when he was...
00:21:16.000 I taught saying all the rocket man stuff.
00:21:18.000 It's like, oh, Trump's going to cause a nuclear war.
00:21:21.000 Okay, now he's talking and now they're in negotiations with North Korea and South North and South are are talking.
00:21:28.000 And he's like, Trump had nothing to do with it.
00:21:30.000 It's like, well, how could he almost start a nuclear war and then have nothing to do with what's going on?
00:21:35.000 It's like, it can't be both.
00:21:36.000 Right.
00:21:37.000 Well, I guess it probably could if they were like, listen, let's not start a nuclear world.
00:21:41.000 How about you and I talk?
00:21:42.000 Yeah.
00:21:42.000 Like North and South Korea goes, let's get together and figure this out.
00:21:45.000 This crazy asshole on the other side of the country. 1.00
00:21:47.000 Whatever. 1.00
00:21:47.000 On the other side of the world, rather. 1.00
00:21:48.000 Okay, so he deserves credit for that.
00:21:50.000 In some respect.
00:21:52.000 He's very... 0.97
00:21:53.000 He's a very interesting guy in the fact that his methods are so outrageous and outside the norm that I don't think these world leaders know what the fuck to do with him. 0.96
00:22:04.000 When he's calling him Rocket Man. 0.96
00:22:06.000 Yeah, I know.
00:22:07.000 And my button's bigger than yours?
00:22:09.000 What?
00:22:09.000 Yeah.
00:22:10.000 He says crazy shit. 1.00
00:22:12.000 He says crazy shit, but that's what he's always done. 1.00
00:22:17.000 Yeah, so he's consistent. 1.00
00:22:19.000 We just expect him to do something different because he's the president.
00:22:22.000 Now, you're working, we were talking about this on the plane too, that you're working with, what is your position in the administration?
00:22:31.000 Because you actually have a wildlife conservation position now in the government. 0.95
00:22:36.000 Did you ever fucking think that was going to happen? 0.95
00:22:38.000 No, no, I didn't. 0.99
00:22:39.000 How the hell did this even come up?
00:22:41.000 Oh, God.
00:22:43.000 I don't know.
00:22:44.000 I'm on the International Wildlife Conservation Council.
00:22:47.000 Whoa.
00:22:48.000 Yeah.
00:22:48.000 That's legit.
00:22:49.000 That's a hell of...
00:22:50.000 I got a business...
00:22:51.000 No, I don't have a business card.
00:22:52.000 But if I did...
00:22:52.000 You should get a belt buckle for that.
00:22:53.000 I should.
00:22:55.000 Oh, I was thinking about the belt buckle.
00:22:57.000 So then I was like, so you said you wanted a belt buckle.
00:23:01.000 And I'm like, oh, maybe I'll give him my belt buckle that I wore on the hunt.
00:23:04.000 But then I'm thinking... 0.98
00:23:06.000 So I gave you the belt buckle, but then I'm like, shit, maybe he wants a new belt buckle in the box with the sweet custom box. 0.99
00:23:13.000 No, no, no. 0.99
00:23:13.000 So I didn't want to be disrespectful and try to say, here's a used belt. 0.99
00:23:17.000 No, the used one has blood on it.
00:23:19.000 Yeah, it does.
00:23:20.000 It's perfect.
00:23:20.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:23:20.000 I like it.
00:23:21.000 I wanted to make sure you were good with that because I wasn't...
00:23:24.000 I want you to want or get what you want, basically.
00:23:29.000 So International Wildlife Conservation Council.
00:23:31.000 So I don't know how it started because I'm like...
00:23:34.000 Man, there are some powerful people on there, Safari Club International people, super successful business people and political campaign-type contributors.
00:23:48.000 And then, you know, we go to this meeting.
00:23:49.000 There's 16 of us on the council.
00:23:51.000 And are you dressed like this?
00:23:52.000 Just like this.
00:23:53.000 Cowboy boots, foil shirt.
00:23:55.000 Yes, just like this, dude.
00:23:57.000 And everybody else is wearing a suit and tie.
00:23:59.000 Do they give you grief for dressing like that?
00:24:03.000 Not to my face, but maybe later. 1.00
00:24:06.000 Probably like this fucking Oregon hillbilly. 1.00
00:24:07.000 Yes, probably. 0.99
00:24:09.000 I don't know why I'm on there.
00:24:12.000 I don't.
00:24:12.000 Who contacted you?
00:24:16.000 The interior department.
00:24:18.000 So like you're in the middle of a run, running up Mount Pitska.
00:24:22.000 Yeah.
00:24:22.000 No, I got a call.
00:24:23.000 Washington, D.C. Shut the fuck up. 1.00
00:24:26.000 I swear to God. 1.00
00:24:26.000 And I'm like, oh my God. 1.00
00:24:28.000 What have I done?
00:24:29.000 This can't be good.
00:24:31.000 Because it was after...
00:24:33.000 Okay, so Trump put out the tweet and he said something like, he doesn't see how hunting for elephants is conservation or helps wildlife.
00:24:42.000 It's a horror show.
00:24:45.000 Doesn't help elephants or any other animal.
00:24:46.000 Something like that.
00:24:47.000 And I was like... 0.87
00:24:48.000 What in the hell is that?
00:24:49.000 What are we talking about?
00:24:50.000 You know, elephants, talk about elephants, that's fine, whatever.
00:24:54.000 But he said, or any other animal.
00:24:56.000 Yeah.
00:24:57.000 So I took that tweet.
00:24:58.000 I posted it and addressed it.
00:25:01.000 And I don't know if he saw it.
00:25:03.000 I don't really know.
00:25:04.000 But soon after that, I got a call for this thing.
00:25:07.000 And so, because I was, you know, I know just from hunting in Africa and how it works and that hunting is necessary over there if the animals are going to survive.
00:25:18.000 That's a complicated story.
00:25:20.000 It's a complicated situation.
00:25:22.000 But people don't want to hear that.
00:25:26.000 Here's an example.
00:25:28.000 In Tanzania, there was the largest hunting concession.
00:25:31.000 And I'm trying to think how big it was.
00:25:34.000 I can't put the number on how big it was.
00:25:37.000 But they'd been in business for 40 years.
00:25:39.000 So a hunting concession is they have hunters from usually America.
00:25:45.000 Go over there.
00:25:46.000 They pay for the access to the land and they pay for the right to hunt these animals.
00:25:51.000 So this place had been in business for 40 years.
00:25:55.000 They went out of business because of this import ban.
00:25:58.000 Obama put an import ban I think?
00:26:20.000 But he can say, what he did was say, we can hunt them, whatever, because they can't control that, but you can't bring them home.
00:26:26.000 So nobody's going to go and spend $75,000 to kill an elephant or $50,000 to kill a lion if they can't bring it home, right?
00:26:33.000 So that basically shut down hunting.
00:26:36.000 And this outfit in Tanzania that had been in business for 40 years, they went out of business about, I think it was about two months ago now.
00:26:49.000 And what happens is when they don't have the concession, they can't pay for that land, it is given back to the people.
00:26:56.000 And for us here, they'll be like, oh, that's great.
00:26:59.000 You gave the land back to the people. 0.81
00:27:01.000 No, it's not good to give the land back to the people there because the people can't do anything. 1.00
00:27:04.000 They don't have any money.
00:27:05.000 They don't.
00:27:06.000 So what happens is the poachers, as soon as the hunting concession moves out, poachers move in and kill every animal.
00:27:13.000 The only reason the animals that were being protected in that hunting concession was because there was hunting in there.
00:27:20.000 This outfit would spend...
00:27:22.000 I think in the last three years, they spent over $2 million on anti-poaching efforts.
00:27:29.000 So $2 million to protect basically their investment, which is those animals that were in there.
00:27:34.000 Yeah, they'd kill a couple because elephants were hunted and they ran the hunts and probably lions.
00:27:40.000 But by and large, they're protecting...
00:27:43.000 The majority of the herd.
00:27:44.000 Well, give me those numbers again, because you were giving me the numbers on elephants legally and illegally killed.
00:27:49.000 Right.
00:27:49.000 So, and I asked this back at our first International Wildlife Conservation Council meeting.
00:27:54.000 And this, you know, PETA was there, and all these animal rights activists...
00:28:00.000 I don't want to say psychos.
00:28:01.000 That could be disrespectful.
00:28:02.000 But anyway, these extremists were there.
00:28:05.000 And so it was kind of heated in some cases.
00:28:08.000 But I did ask this question.
00:28:10.000 How many elephants are killed legally in Africa each year?
00:28:15.000 And the number is about 400. 400 to kill legally.
00:28:19.000 In the entire continent of Africa.
00:28:21.000 Yeah, it's a big area.
00:28:22.000 Which is so big that you can get America, the United States of America.
00:28:25.000 You can also get all the European countries. 0.99
00:28:27.000 You can fit a lot of shit in Africa. 1.00
00:28:29.000 Africa's huge. 1.00
00:28:30.000 Huge place.
00:28:31.000 Yeah, and so there's some areas where you're not going to hunt elephants because there's not enough.
00:28:37.000 Or they don't live there.
00:28:39.000 But there's some areas where there's too many elephants.
00:28:41.000 It's just...
00:28:41.000 Yeah, that's what's confusing to people.
00:28:43.000 People hear elephants are going extinct.
00:28:45.000 Well, yeah, they are in some places.
00:28:47.000 Yeah.
00:28:47.000 And then in other places, the problem is with local farmers, they have these plots of land and the elephants come in and eat everything and destroy their land and they can't do anything about it.
00:28:57.000 And what are you going to do this?
00:28:58.000 How big is an elephant?
00:28:59.000 How many thousands of pounds? 1.00
00:29:00.000 10,000 pounds or some shit? 0.99
00:29:02.000 I don't even know. 0.99
00:29:02.000 They're huge. 0.99
00:29:03.000 They're huge. 0.99
00:29:03.000 They can't do a goddamn thing about it. 0.99
00:29:05.000 They don't care about elephants. 0.99
00:29:06.000 The people, they're like, the elephant is ruining my crop.
00:29:09.000 That's what I need to eat. 0.99
00:29:11.000 I'm going to kill the elephant and it's going to lay there and rot. 0.96
00:29:13.000 Yeah, these people are starving. 0.99
00:29:16.000 I mean, there's a food chain going on there and humans, here where we are, we're so far above the food chain that we're like sitting in a platform looking down watching it.
00:29:28.000 They're embedded in it.
00:29:29.000 They're ground level.
00:29:31.000 It's the whole...
00:29:32.000 It's a whole analogy of you can't have first world people solving third world problems. 0.97
00:29:39.000 Yeah, that's a good point.
00:29:40.000 And it's just, people here have all the answers.
00:29:43.000 It's like, you have everything you want.
00:29:45.000 You live in excess. 0.98
00:29:47.000 You're fat. 0.63
00:29:48.000 You throw food away. 1.00
00:29:49.000 What are you talking about?
00:29:51.000 You have no idea what it's like in Africa.
00:29:53.000 So there, 400 elephants are killed legally.
00:29:57.000 30,000 are poached a year.
00:29:59.000 30,000.
00:30:00.000 And the reason that's happening is because the hunting had to move out.
00:30:04.000 The hunting closed down.
00:30:05.000 Or hunting is what pays for the anti-poaching efforts.
00:30:08.000 But when hunting money isn't there, the poachers run rampant.
00:30:13.000 30,000 elephants.
00:30:14.000 That's why they are devastated.
00:30:16.000 It's such a hard thing for people to swallow.
00:30:20.000 From the point of view of someone who loves wildlife, I think this is what people want.
00:30:25.000 What they want is the humans to leave the animals alone and the animals to live in this state of bliss.
00:30:31.000 Where they exist perfectly and the balance of nature of predator and prey all plays out in a natural way without people going over there and shooting elephants then sticking their tusks on their wall. 0.98
00:30:44.000 I mean we've all seen those pictures of these giant fat fucks holding a rifle standing over a lion and you're like this just looks wrong. 0.99
00:30:52.000 It looks like American gluttony makes its way over to Africa and some guy shoots a line with a rifle. 1.00
00:30:59.000 Now he's standing on its head and he's gonna put it on his wall in his fat fucking house somewhere. 1.00
00:31:05.000 That bothers people. 1.00
00:31:06.000 I get it.
00:31:07.000 I get it too.
00:31:08.000 I mean, I'm not arguing that.
00:31:10.000 But you've got to fix Africa first, and you're not trying. 1.00
00:31:14.000 So this idea that if you just leave all those animals alone and stop hunting them, everything's going to be fine.
00:31:19.000 No, they're going to be wiped out.
00:31:21.000 People have to look at it pragmatically first, and then idealistically.
00:31:25.000 Because pragmatically...
00:31:27.000 You have to understand that these animals 20 years ago were on the verge of extinction.
00:31:31.000 So many different antelopes, so many different what we would call game animals, animals that people eat, were on the verge of extinction until they started instituting these big hunting concessions and having people come in from Europe and America and hunting in Africa.
00:31:47.000 Then the community started to prosper because if someone's paying, you know, how much is it to shoot like a Neil guy or something like that?
00:31:56.000 Oh, maybe 1,500.
00:31:57.000 So, think of how many of those things get shot, and some of that money goes to the ranch, some of that money goes to the professional hunting guys, anti-poaching conservation efforts, and then you have unprecedented numbers.
00:32:09.000 There's more of those animals today than there have been in decades.
00:32:12.000 And it's all because people put value on them.
00:32:16.000 Yeah, it's all about the animals have to have value.
00:32:18.000 And people say, no, well, the animal has value being alive.
00:32:21.000 It's like, okay...
00:32:22.000 Well, it does to you.
00:32:23.000 It does to you if you don't live over there, if you're not poor and your children aren't starving to death.
00:32:28.000 A picture of a lion is amazing.
00:32:30.000 Okay?
00:32:31.000 And that animal is beautiful.
00:32:33.000 There's value in it being alive.
00:32:35.000 But you've got to understand, those people need to eat.
00:32:38.000 They need to work.
00:32:39.000 So if they're not working for the hunting concession, if the hunting concession goes out of business like the largest one in Tanzania did after 40 years, what are they going to do?
00:32:48.000 They can't go get a job at the mill.
00:32:50.000 You know what I mean?
00:32:50.000 There's not industry over there.
00:32:53.000 So what happens is...
00:32:55.000 Some of those people, and I don't know for a fact, but I'm going to make an educated guess, that they would go from working as anti-poaching officers or helping keep the animals alive as part of the anti-poaching program straight to poaching.
00:33:09.000 Yeah, well that's happened back and forth both ways, right?
00:33:13.000 Yeah.
00:33:13.000 Former poachers became anti-poaching officers when the opportunity presented itself.
00:33:17.000 Right, and they were great ones because they knew how it worked, and they knew where the weaknesses were, and that saved animals.
00:33:23.000 But it's just like, it's sad because that last two months without that hunting concession there, without the anti-poaching program in place, I guarantee it's been a slaughter.
00:33:38.000 The animals that were being protected are now just being slaughtered by poachers.
00:33:42.000 And again, the difference between looking at things pragmatically and looking at things idealistically.
00:33:47.000 Idealistically, we would like all those people in Africa to have plenty of food and plenty of opportunity for employment and plenty of things to do with their life, but they don't. 1.00
00:33:56.000 Yeah.
00:33:56.000 And the situation that had emerged with these hunting concessions is superior to the situation that's in place now.
00:34:04.000 Yeah.
00:34:05.000 And it's also superior for the animals themselves, including the lions.
00:34:09.000 In Zimbabwe, they had to kill—look this up, Jamie, see if you could—because they had to cull, I think it was something along the lines of 200 lions recently, because they had decimated the undulate population, because they weren't kept in check.
00:34:24.000 Because the undulate—the way the balance of nature works out is you have to have a balance between predator and prey.
00:34:31.000 The only way to keep the balance of predator is humans.
00:34:35.000 That's it.
00:34:35.000 It's the only thing that exists unless they keep...
00:34:37.000 Yeah.
00:34:37.000 Zimbabwe Wildlife Reserve will call 200 lines to control a population explosion claiming hunters have been scared off by the outcry overseas of the line.
00:34:46.000 The whole thing is so weird because what people...
00:34:50.000 Just jump on it.
00:34:51.000 You know, you watch The Lion King.
00:34:52.000 Oh, Simba.
00:34:53.000 No, don't kill Simba.
00:34:54.000 And oh, Cecil, he's got a name.
00:34:56.000 And all this craziness, it got to such a weird point where there was this discussion about Cecil's brother.
00:35:04.000 That Cecil's brother got killed.
00:35:06.000 Jericho.
00:35:07.000 Jericho.
00:35:07.000 And they were like, oh my god, they killed Jericho.
00:35:09.000 And then people were relieved because they found it was a different lion and it wasn't Cecil's brother Jericho. 1.00
00:35:16.000 So this is like they're watching a goddamn reality show. 0.99
00:35:18.000 It's like Keeping Up With The Kardashians in Africa. 1.00
00:35:21.000 Like, what do you give a shit what the fucking name of the African... 1.00
00:35:26.000 Lion is. 1.00
00:35:27.000 You're crazy. 0.99
00:35:28.000 It's not Jericho. 0.99
00:35:29.000 Oh, it's Michael the lion, so it's okay?
00:35:32.000 That's crazy. 1.00
00:35:33.000 It's still a fucking lion. 0.99
00:35:33.000 But this shows you this first world view of this wildlife situation that is not ideal by any stretch of the imagination. 0.99
00:35:42.000 Yeah.
00:35:43.000 I think part of it, like with that, the whole cease the line thing, it gave people a purpose.
00:35:47.000 It's like, oh, I have something to stand for.
00:35:49.000 I have a purpose now.
00:35:50.000 And that's where I know people are struggling out there finding, what's my purpose?
00:35:55.000 What am I doing?
00:35:56.000 You know, and they're spinning their wheels.
00:35:58.000 They don't, I don't know what they do, but that gave them something to fight for.
00:36:02.000 And it wasn't right.
00:36:03.000 It didn't help anything.
00:36:05.000 It hurt.
00:36:05.000 Those 200 lions could have been $50,000 each to a hunter, $10 million to a hunter.
00:36:12.000 Went to Zimbabwe, stayed there, or at least employed people.
00:36:18.000 But no, they were killed, and there was no game. 0.99
00:36:22.000 Yeah, it still sucks. 1.00
00:36:23.000 All across the board, it sucks. 1.00
00:36:25.000 The whole situation sucks. 0.99
00:36:27.000 These weird high-fence operations where they let lions loose, and then they let them out of the cage, and then people show up that day, and the lions don't know what the fuck's going on, and they shoot this lion, and then stand up. 1.00
00:36:38.000 That sucks, too. 0.99
00:36:39.000 Yeah. 0.98
00:36:40.000 I don't like that.
00:36:40.000 The whole thing is weird.
00:36:42.000 Look, wildlife in Africa and high-fence wildlife is not ideal by any stretch of the imagination. 0.95
00:36:49.000 And these animals that were going extinct and now aren't because people were hunting them, it's fucking strange. 0.93
00:36:56.000 That's a strange balance. 0.99
00:36:57.000 The only reason they exist is so people can come over there and shoot them.
00:37:02.000 I don't want that.
00:37:03.000 I mean, I would like them to just exist.
00:37:05.000 Well, yeah, but people aren't going to contribute that money to pay for the anti-poaching just to go take a picture.
00:37:13.000 It's just not going to happen.
00:37:14.000 If you go to the Missouri Breaks or something like that, and you go hunting mule deer, like...
00:37:19.000 That's what I like.
00:37:21.000 I like animals that exist because they're there.
00:37:24.000 This is their spot.
00:37:25.000 This is where they are. 0.99
00:37:26.000 Like if you go to the Missouri Breaks and you go up into those hills and look for mule deer, those fuckers have been there for thousands of years. 0.99
00:37:36.000 I mean, they have found... 0.97
00:37:38.000 Skulls of deer, of white-tailed deer in Florida that are two million years old.
00:37:44.000 Right.
00:37:44.000 They're the exact same animal two million years ago.
00:37:47.000 So for millions of years, longer than there have been human beings, those things have been in that form running around North America and wherever the fuck they can. 0.99
00:37:57.000 That's what I like. 0.95
00:37:58.000 I like that too, but don't forget that hunting has played a part in keeping those numbers healthy.
00:38:04.000 There's no big game animals in North America now than there were a hundred years ago.
00:38:11.000 And that's through hunting.
00:38:13.000 I think?
00:38:34.000 Yeah.
00:38:48.000 He created this new, I guess it's a bill.
00:38:51.000 I'm not like this political expert.
00:38:54.000 I'm a bowhunter, right?
00:38:55.000 I wear a flannel shirt and baseball hat.
00:38:58.000 But he did create this, I'm going to call it a bill, but that protects the winter season.
00:39:07.000 We call them wildlife corridors.
00:39:09.000 So it's where the animals can go from the summer range to the winter range where there's not going to be development there.
00:39:15.000 So he created that because that's how those animals, like in Montana, make it through the winter.
00:39:20.000 If they're up in the summer, they make it through...
00:39:26.000 Getting into fall and then all of a sudden winter hits, they have to have a way down into the low country to where they can, their winter migration to where they can survive the snow and where they can make down and there's good feed down there.
00:39:39.000 If there's gas rigs or mineral extraction efforts going on that impede that, then they might get hung up up there and get stuck in the snow and die.
00:39:50.000 He realizes that.
00:39:51.000 He realized the need for that.
00:39:52.000 He created this new program that's going to make sure that there's no development in there.
00:39:57.000 It keeps those corridors open.
00:39:58.000 And that's why our numbers do so well is because there's people like that with the vision on keeping our animals healthy.
00:40:06.000 Well, this is another thing that we talked about on the flight that I think is important to bring up.
00:40:10.000 Remember when there was this talk about the state monument or the national monument in Utah?
00:40:15.000 And Patagonia put that thing on their page, the president stole your land.
00:40:20.000 Explain what actually happened, because it's not what everybody thinks it is.
00:40:25.000 And Ranella said it best, that if you say the president stole your land, you're not being accurate with your words.
00:40:32.000 That's not what happened.
00:40:33.000 It was...
00:40:34.000 Patagonia did an awesome marketing job.
00:40:37.000 I mean in that those efforts by saying the president stole your land from what I've heard resulted in a 15% increase in business for them.
00:40:45.000 So it worked great.
00:40:46.000 But what the truth is is a lot of people felt like Obama when he before he left office did an overreach on the National Monument protection and so there's protecting the National Monument and then Which is a certain area.
00:41:03.000 He protected, he wanted to encompass two million acres in that national monument designation, which seems excessive.
00:41:11.000 What Zinke says, the Secretary of Interior, he went in there and he said, that's an excessive, that's an overreach.
00:41:17.000 I want to scale it back to what it was before Obama did that.
00:41:20.000 Now, why is it excessive, though?
00:41:22.000 This is what gets confusing to people.
00:41:24.000 People think that protecting land is never excessive.
00:41:26.000 Right.
00:41:27.000 What he wants to do is make sure people have access.
00:41:30.000 So what's the difference between the way it is under Obama and the way it is under Zinke?
00:41:37.000 It'll be...
00:41:38.000 Zinke scaled it back to what it was before, which that would be...
00:41:41.000 It's still national forest, still federal land.
00:41:45.000 But you'd be able to, and I'm not sure if it was wilderness or how the access would be, but what Zinke would say is that, like, I would be able to go into the land all the time.
00:41:56.000 That 2 million acres, because I might be considered by some to be elite.
00:42:00.000 You know, because I can walk for 20 miles.
00:42:03.000 Not everybody in the United States can walk 20 miles to get somewhere.
00:42:06.000 So they want to put road systems in there.
00:42:07.000 There's road systems already.
00:42:09.000 There's road systems already, but...
00:42:12.000 But if it was a national monument, then no road systems?
00:42:17.000 What is the difference?
00:42:18.000 I think the road systems would be gated off and they'd be walk-in traffic only instead of access through the roads.
00:42:27.000 Now, why did Obama make it two million acres?
00:42:31.000 I don't know.
00:42:31.000 And close off the roads?
00:42:32.000 I'm not sure.
00:42:33.000 So it's still federal land?
00:42:34.000 Yeah.
00:42:34.000 So it's not like the government sold the land off?
00:42:36.000 No.
00:42:37.000 And no mining permits have been issued?
00:42:40.000 No.
00:42:40.000 There's no plans to drill or anything like that?
00:42:42.000 No.
00:42:42.000 When I looked that up, because I was unsure about it, and I talked to Zinke about it, just because I'm learning all this as we go also.
00:42:51.000 And I was concerned when I read The President's Told Your Land.
00:42:55.000 I'm like, what's this about?
00:42:57.000 And so what it is, what Zinke wants to do is he wants to just make sure people of not all abilities, because it's not like we want roads on every mountain, but have access to national forests.
00:43:12.000 So people that can drive in 4x4s, you know, those little off-road ranger trucks.
00:43:17.000 On existing roads.
00:43:18.000 Yeah.
00:43:19.000 On existing roads.
00:43:20.000 It's just like National Forest now.
00:43:22.000 National Forest now has roads, designated wilderness areas, because then I talked about that too.
00:43:28.000 I'm like, well, okay, I understand access.
00:43:32.000 I said, that's great.
00:43:33.000 I want people to be able to enjoy the great outdoors also.
00:43:36.000 But I also grew up hunting the Eagle Cap Wilderness.
00:43:42.000 Yeah.
00:43:57.000 We still need to be able to protect those areas.
00:43:59.000 But this wasn't...
00:44:01.000 And this one, this is Bears Ears in Utah.
00:44:03.000 This wasn't changing anything, opening up anything, or this big nefarious plan of mining and stripping everything out of there.
00:44:11.000 That's what everybody's worried about.
00:44:11.000 Right, right.
00:44:12.000 They were.
00:44:12.000 But all it did, it went back to what it was before.
00:44:15.000 And at that time, when I researched it, there had been no mining permits.
00:44:19.000 From what I understand, there's minerals in there, but not enough to warrant...
00:44:25.000 Going in there and setting up a full mineral extraction mine.
00:44:29.000 So the only reason that they change the distinction is to allow people to have more access to that wilderness through roads that already exist.
00:44:37.000 It wouldn't be wilderness.
00:44:37.000 It'd be national forest.
00:44:38.000 Okay.
00:44:39.000 The federal lands.
00:44:39.000 Yeah.
00:44:41.000 Why the uproar then?
00:44:42.000 Why is everybody so confused?
00:44:44.000 Is it a lack of communication?
00:44:45.000 Is it a lack of understanding about what the difference and the distinctions of the two things are?
00:44:51.000 It's just creating a negative narrative.
00:44:54.000 It's saying it's something changed.
00:44:58.000 Obama had it this way.
00:45:00.000 Zinke scaled it back.
00:45:02.000 That right there is like, why?
00:45:04.000 What's going on?
00:45:05.000 Not really doing the research.
00:45:07.000 He's just putting it back to what it was because he thought that it was an overreach by Obama.
00:45:12.000 So it's just, you know, these outfits, they're in business.
00:45:19.000 You know, if everything's going good...
00:45:36.000 We're good to go.
00:45:42.000 Yeah, but even the businesses.
00:45:43.000 Like, Patagonia's business is about the outdoors.
00:45:46.000 That's their whole business.
00:45:47.000 So they see anything that's changed.
00:45:49.000 And the Trump administration, especially in the beginning when it came in, people were really worried about them in terms of environmental concerns.
00:45:56.000 Because they had opened up offshore drilling.
00:45:58.000 They had done a lot of things that people were really freaked out about.
00:46:01.000 They had opened up...
00:46:01.000 What was the area, Jamie, in Alaska where they were going to open up drilling that was near salmon runs that people were very, very concerned about?
00:46:12.000 They were concerned about the idea of money above nature.
00:46:15.000 Yeah.
00:46:16.000 Me too.
00:46:17.000 Right.
00:46:17.000 And who's making that money?
00:46:18.000 You're not making money.
00:46:19.000 No.
00:46:19.000 I'm not making any of that money.
00:46:20.000 So someone else is going to make money off of what's supposed to be our land and our public land, which you and I could maybe go, even though you don't like salmon.
00:46:30.000 We could go salmon fishing in this land. 0.97
00:46:32.000 Well, it could get fucked up by someone else making billions of dollars in oil or natural gas or whatever the fuck we do if they contaminate that. 0.99
00:46:40.000 I don't want that. 0.99
00:46:41.000 No, I don't want that.
00:46:41.000 You don't want that either.
00:46:42.000 And the people from Patagonia don't want that either. 1.00
00:46:44.000 So when they see something like this come up, their red flags go up.
00:46:47.000 They want to get people outraged.
00:46:49.000 They want to get people activated because they think that there might be a chance that if you protest enough, you can stop something like this happening before it does.
00:46:55.000 Right. 0.99
00:46:56.000 Because if you do look at, like, what happened in Alaska with that big oil spill in the 80s, or what happened with the BP oil spill in the Gulf Coast, like, that shit's devastating. 0.99
00:47:06.000 Yeah, for sure. 0.99
00:47:06.000 When something like that does happen, someone else is profiting, making fucking billions of dollars while our planet that we all share is getting fucked up. 0.99
00:47:16.000 You're not making a nickel off of it. 0.98
00:47:18.000 I'm not making a nickel off of it.
00:47:19.000 But they're making billions of dollars, and they're fucking up the land.
00:47:23.000 And by the government, by Trump or anybody else, whoever's opening it up, giving them access to drill and to do all this thing, you open up the possibility of ruining something that's amazing.
00:47:34.000 Well, so there's always going to be a balance, though.
00:47:36.000 You can't just say, okay, nobody can drive past this point forever.
00:47:41.000 You know what I mean?
00:47:43.000 But you're saying that about the Eagle Cap Wilderness.
00:47:45.000 You don't want them to drive past that.
00:47:46.000 There's got to be areas.
00:47:48.000 There's got to be areas we have to protect.
00:47:49.000 Wilderness areas.
00:47:50.000 But, for example, where we've elk hunted in Colorado.
00:47:54.000 Right?
00:47:55.000 Big bulls, awesome elk hunting.
00:47:57.000 There's natural gas wells all over.
00:47:59.000 Right.
00:48:00.000 It's great elk hunting.
00:48:01.000 Yeah, they've got to figure it out.
00:48:02.000 So there's a balance.
00:48:03.000 Yeah, they're not fucking it up.
00:48:05.000 I don't want things wiped out in a huge mineral extraction mine where there used to be beautiful whatever.
00:48:13.000 I don't want that.
00:48:14.000 Beautiful rivers that are polluted now.
00:48:16.000 But you can't just say we're not doing anything anywhere.
00:48:19.000 It doesn't work.
00:48:20.000 So there can be a balance, just like where we've hunted in Colorado.
00:48:23.000 There can be a balance, but the real concern that the average person has, me included, is that someone is going to profit.
00:48:29.000 And by doing that, where it's not going to benefit you or anybody we know, it's going to fuck it up for everybody else.
00:48:36.000 Yeah.
00:48:37.000 That's the real concern.
00:48:38.000 No, for sure.
00:48:38.000 I know.
00:48:39.000 That's why I've tried to...
00:48:41.000 That's why I've wanted to be involved.
00:48:44.000 I'm on that council, which has nothing to do with public lands in North America, but it's given me a way to get in there and try to learn more.
00:48:51.000 That's all I'm trying to do.
00:48:52.000 Well, you also were involved when Jason Chavitz had that proposal in Utah to sell off chunks of public land.
00:49:08.000 Yeah, it was.
00:49:17.000 I think so, too.
00:49:20.000 He's out of politics now.
00:49:21.000 What is he doing?
00:49:22.000 He's on Fox News.
00:49:24.000 Oh, he's a correspondent now?
00:49:25.000 Yeah.
00:49:26.000 So he's a congressman out of Utah.
00:49:29.000 And I went back to D.C. and talked to him.
00:49:32.000 That was H.R. 622. And that was they wanted to sell what they determined disposable public land.
00:49:39.000 And I'm like, okay, wait a second.
00:49:42.000 Who says what's disposable?
00:49:44.000 Because what's disposable to you might not be to me.
00:49:46.000 Maybe it's a great hunting area.
00:49:48.000 So I didn't really like...
00:49:49.000 There wasn't really a way to determine what was disposable.
00:49:53.000 That's what caught my attention.
00:49:54.000 And other...
00:49:55.000 Not just mine, but even people like Steve Rinella and a lot of people in the loop and in the know.
00:50:00.000 And I got advice from...
00:50:02.000 Let's see.
00:50:04.000 Randy Newberg, Steve Rinella, Joel Webster at the...
00:50:09.000 Theodore Roosevelt Conservation Program.
00:50:13.000 All those guys are really experts in the field.
00:50:16.000 Backcountry hunters and anglers.
00:50:17.000 I didn't talk to them.
00:50:19.000 All those people were super active about getting people to complain and protest this.
00:50:24.000 And so that one, I did get a chance to go back there and I did a podcast with Chaffetz.
00:50:29.000 And yeah, he pulled it.
00:50:31.000 It was gone.
00:50:32.000 Never happened.
00:50:33.000 But yes, we just need to be...
00:50:36.000 I don't know.
00:50:56.000 I didn't really understand it totally until I was talking to you and you were explaining to me the distinction between how it was before Obama was in office, what Obama changed, and then bringing it back to how it was before.
00:51:08.000 So it's still federal land.
00:51:09.000 No one sold it off.
00:51:11.000 It's just giving people more access through roads.
00:51:13.000 But amazing how when something like that happens, there's this gigantic outcry.
00:51:17.000 And everybody freaks out.
00:51:19.000 Yeah, it's confusing.
00:51:21.000 It can be confusing, because I'll read two different things, and I'll be like, oh my god, what?
00:51:26.000 Is it this or is it that? 0.98
00:51:27.000 What the fuck is going on? 0.99
00:51:27.000 I don't know. 0.99
00:51:28.000 So that's where I, you know, and people say, oh, well, Zinky, he was lying to your face.
00:51:33.000 I'm like, eh, I don't know.
00:51:34.000 Maybe, but...
00:51:35.000 On video?
00:51:36.000 Yeah.
00:51:36.000 I doubt it.
00:51:37.000 I don't...
00:51:38.000 He doesn't seem like that guy.
00:51:40.000 He seems like he's a straight... 0.97
00:51:42.000 You know, I asked him about...
00:51:43.000 He was getting beat up because the national...
00:51:48.000 Parks Advisory Board.
00:51:51.000 He wouldn't meet with them.
00:51:53.000 That's what it was.
00:51:53.000 And so he got said, you know, Zeke doesn't care about national parks and he won't meet with the advisory board.
00:51:59.000 And so I asked him about that because that was in the news.
00:52:02.000 And that was just like, man, maybe he doesn't care about public land.
00:52:05.000 You know, I mean, I didn't know what was going on.
00:52:07.000 So I wanted to ask him about that.
00:52:09.000 I'm like, well, they resigned in protest because you wouldn't meet with him.
00:52:12.000 What was that?
00:52:13.000 And he goes, well, yeah, you're right.
00:52:15.000 I wouldn't meet with him.
00:52:16.000 He goes, here's how it went.
00:52:18.000 I came in as secretary of interior and in charge of I don't know how many different councils just like the international one I'm on and this park advisory board that what we're talking about and there's I think 200 and some that he's he really I think he over I don't even thousands of employees billions of dollars and all he asked was for these advisory boards he wanted um A report written up that said,
00:52:43.000 what have you done in the last two years?
00:52:45.000 What are you working on now?
00:52:47.000 And what's your goals for the next two years?
00:52:49.000 Once you provide me with that report, then I'll get up to speed and I'll meet with you.
00:52:53.000 They never did it.
00:52:55.000 So he didn't meet with them.
00:52:57.000 And that was it.
00:52:58.000 So the story was, he wouldn't meet with them, and they resigned in protest.
00:53:02.000 But the other half of the story was, he asked them to do something so he could get up to speed and be educated on what's going on, and he never supplied it.
00:53:11.000 Well, if they are the typical government employees, and what is the typical government employee?
00:53:18.000 Incompetent?
00:53:19.000 Lazy?
00:53:20.000 Wait, I'm a government employee.
00:53:24.000 Keep going.
00:53:25.000 Typical.
00:53:25.000 Oh, typical.
00:53:26.000 What do people think of?
00:53:27.000 What do people think of? 0.95
00:53:28.000 They think of incompetent, lazy, entitled. 0.99
00:53:32.000 Bureaucrats.
00:53:33.000 Yeah, and they've got this job, and all of a sudden he's asking them to provide, not just tell them what they've done, but tell them what they're going to do, and provide...
00:53:42.000 Like, a framework for the future.
00:53:45.000 That's a lot of work.
00:53:46.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:53:47.000 When someone's a lazy fuck. 1.00
00:53:48.000 Maybe so. 1.00
00:53:49.000 If you're just kind of half-assing your job and just showing up, and I'm not saying they are.
00:53:53.000 Yeah, I don't know.
00:53:54.000 I don't know them.
00:53:55.000 Also, they might have resented him for whatever their preconceived notions of who he is coming into this job.
00:54:01.000 They were...
00:54:03.000 I don't know if all 12 of them, I think there's 12, but I think they were all Democrat. 1.00
00:54:09.000 Oh, the son of a bitches. 1.00
00:54:10.000 So, I mean, obviously he's a Republican. 1.00
00:54:13.000 There are unpaid volunteers also.
00:54:15.000 Unpaid, right.
00:54:16.000 Unpaid volunteers.
00:54:17.000 Yeah, and I'm an unpaid volunteer on that council.
00:54:20.000 It's like, you don't do this for money, you do it to make a difference.
00:54:22.000 Yeah, but if they're going to be a volunteer, even if they're an unpaid volunteer, and if he asks you to have a plan, you should probably have a plan.
00:54:28.000 Otherwise, why are you doing it?
00:54:30.000 Because I guarantee you there's someone out there that would have a plan.
00:54:34.000 Especially when it comes to something that's important as national parks and public land, things that are really dear and important to people.
00:54:43.000 This is something that, you know, you want to have whoever these volunteers are, if you're going to appoint them, you want to have the best ones for the job.
00:54:51.000 Right.
00:54:51.000 So asking someone to write a plan up, and if that's the only reason, see, it's tough because we don't have their take on it.
00:54:58.000 Well, I read what they wrote.
00:55:00.000 What did they write?
00:55:01.000 They just said that he wouldn't meet with them, and...
00:55:04.000 Whatever.
00:55:04.000 So he wouldn't meet with them until they did what he asked.
00:55:07.000 They didn't say that.
00:55:08.000 He told me that.
00:55:08.000 But that's what he says.
00:55:09.000 Right.
00:55:10.000 Yeah.
00:55:10.000 Well, that makes sense.
00:55:11.000 Yeah.
00:55:12.000 I mean, I'm kind of in his camp.
00:55:15.000 If we're looking at it 100% accurately.
00:55:17.000 Yeah.
00:55:18.000 No.
00:55:18.000 And he told me face to face.
00:55:19.000 That's what happened.
00:55:20.000 So, I mean, you know, you can say, well, I don't believe anybody.
00:55:23.000 I don't believe it.
00:55:23.000 I don't believe what you just told me.
00:55:25.000 I don't believe it.
00:55:25.000 At some point, you have to be like, man, it seemed like he's telling me the truth and I believe it and that makes sense.
00:55:31.000 Yeah, it does make sense that they would not want to do that.
00:55:35.000 You know?
00:55:36.000 Yeah.
00:55:36.000 What have you been working on?
00:55:37.000 Well, I'll check my email and go on Facebook when I'm at work.
00:55:42.000 Sometimes I look at pine cones.
00:55:44.000 Yeah.
00:55:45.000 So, I mean, to me, he seems like hardworking, pretty demanding.
00:55:52.000 But he cares.
00:55:53.000 I mean, he's in there trying to...
00:55:56.000 So, the Secretary of Interior before Zinke...
00:56:00.000 I'm like, what?
00:56:00.000 I don't even know what that is.
00:56:02.000 So that's what kind of involvement that person had in the lives of hunting people like me or fishermen.
00:56:10.000 And so when I didn't even know who it was, come to find out her name was Sally Jewell, who was Obama's appointee.
00:56:17.000 Before Trump appointed Zinke.
00:56:19.000 So I like the fact that Zinke's at SHOT Show.
00:56:23.000 He's had me out there.
00:56:24.000 I'm on this council.
00:56:25.000 At least I have a seat at the table to say, and I don't know, I might get kicked off this council.
00:56:30.000 I might never get invited back because I'll ask him, so what's going on with this?
00:56:35.000 But right now I have a seat at the table, so whatever.
00:56:39.000 I consider that a win.
00:56:41.000 At least I can try to find out and learn.
00:56:43.000 Yeah, it's an interesting thing because everything that I've heard about him, that I've read in the media, unless I'm reading like a hunting website or something like that, everything I've heard is like that it's a horror show, that he's bringing on all these trophy hunters,
00:56:59.000 and there was an article equating you with being a trophy hunter.
00:57:04.000 And that this council that he's put together is just this disgusting sort of justification for trophy hunting and that they're only putting it together so that wealthy people can bring back their elephants that they shoot in Africa.
00:57:16.000 Yeah, I've read that too.
00:57:18.000 I mean, for me, and I'm not, you know, I've never killed an elephant.
00:57:22.000 I've never killed a lion.
00:57:25.000 So even the people on the council that have, they do care about animals.
00:57:29.000 They care.
00:57:30.000 They're volunteers, just like on the parks advisory board.
00:57:34.000 And they want to make a positive difference.
00:57:36.000 I know every person on that.
00:57:38.000 I don't know every person personally.
00:57:40.000 But I know they care about the people of Africa.
00:57:43.000 And that's why they understand how it works.
00:57:46.000 They've been there.
00:57:47.000 They've seen it.
00:57:48.000 Yeah.
00:57:50.000 The guys who I've hunted with there personally, awesome people, hard-working people.
00:57:55.000 The one guy on my last trip there to Tanzania, his daughter was in college and he'd been a professional hunter over there for over 20 or 30 years.
00:58:06.000 And she was going to college now getting her degree.
00:58:09.000 I mean...
00:58:09.000 Well, let's explain.
00:58:10.000 A professional hunter over there is not what we think about it over here.
00:58:12.000 What we think of over here, a professional hunter would be a guy who hunts.
00:58:15.000 Oh, yeah.
00:58:16.000 That's what he does for a living.
00:58:16.000 A professional hunter is essentially a guide.
00:58:19.000 A guide.
00:58:19.000 Yeah.
00:58:19.000 They call them PHs or professional hunters.
00:58:22.000 So, I mean, because of hunting, he's able to send his daughter to college.
00:58:28.000 And I mean...
00:58:29.000 And now that's gone.
00:58:31.000 I'm not saying every person, but a lot of them.
00:58:34.000 And it's not getting any better because right now, so that policy, Trump said, well, we're going to review it on a case-by-case basis.
00:58:43.000 So he didn't say, okay, it's legal, now everybody can hunt and go and bring their trophies back.
00:58:49.000 He said, we'll review each one on a case-by-case basis.
00:58:52.000 So that still doesn't make it that good for a hunter because they say, well, I'm not going to book a hunt if I don't know for a fact I can bring my trophy back.
00:58:59.000 Yeah.
00:58:59.000 So it's not really that much better.
00:59:01.000 Well, just saying that freaks people out.
00:59:04.000 Like, trophy.
00:59:05.000 Like, you're saying trophy.
00:59:06.000 It's an animal.
00:59:07.000 It's an animal's life, and you're going to bring it back.
00:59:09.000 You know what I mean?
00:59:10.000 Just that distinction is one of the things that triggers people.
00:59:14.000 Well, trophy.
00:59:15.000 So, I mean, I see heads on your wall right here.
00:59:18.000 That's a trophy.
00:59:19.000 But also, you ate the meat of that elk.
00:59:21.000 Oh, yeah.
00:59:22.000 So, I mean, it's not like you can't be both.
00:59:25.000 A trophy hunter and hunt for meat.
00:59:27.000 Right.
00:59:28.000 I understand that, but most people are not bringing back lion meat.
00:59:32.000 No, they're not.
00:59:33.000 But it's also not mutually exclusive to be a trophy hunter and eat the meat.
00:59:38.000 Or, on the elephants, none of that meat is going to waste on an elephant.
00:59:43.000 That's true.
00:59:43.000 That's why people don't understand.
00:59:45.000 Elephants, they actually taste good.
00:59:48.000 There was a documentary...
00:59:50.000 Yeah, I haven't had elephant.
00:59:52.000 I mean, I've had crocodile and I haven't had lion over there.
00:59:56.000 But that meat is...
01:00:02.000 I mean, the villagers that live there, man, they need it.
01:00:07.000 There was a documentary on CNN recently called Trophy, and I remember there's a scene in there where the hunter shot an elephant, and it wasn't a big one.
01:00:15.000 And the people were making fun of him for shooting.
01:00:19.000 They're like, he's small.
01:00:21.000 They wanted a big elephant with lots of meat.
01:00:23.000 So he got his, quote, trophy.
01:00:26.000 They wanted more meat.
01:00:28.000 So it's like, you can have both.
01:00:30.000 I'll say trophy hunting because guys aren't going over there for the meat.
01:00:34.000 I get it.
01:00:35.000 I mean, that's not why you go to Africa.
01:00:37.000 You're going for the trophy, but also that meat isn't going to waste.
01:00:41.000 Yeah.
01:00:42.000 The meat is going to the villagers.
01:00:43.000 It's not like they're going to let it rot.
01:00:45.000 And these people, I've seen it.
01:00:47.000 I've seen videos of it.
01:00:48.000 It's crazy.
01:00:48.000 They show up with baskets on their head filled with elephant meat and they're carrying around like 150 pounds of meat on their head.
01:00:55.000 Yeah.
01:00:55.000 I mean, it's really nuts when you watch these people just run in and get chunks of this elephant and they need it.
01:01:03.000 It's really important protein for them.
01:01:05.000 Yeah.
01:01:06.000 The solution is very, very complicated.
01:01:10.000 Africa is such an enormous place and the poverty is so intense and the options are so limited for these people.
01:01:17.000 This is not like a simple, like, ban the trophy hunting and the animals will live peacefully in the forest.
01:01:24.000 Tweet, tweet, bird, bird.
01:01:25.000 That's not what's going to happen.
01:01:26.000 Everything dies.
01:01:27.000 Yeah, it's not just that.
01:01:29.000 Everything over there is really complicated.
01:01:31.000 And I always tell people to watch the Louis Theroux documentary.
01:01:34.000 He did a thing on this hunting thing in Africa, and he was over there for a long time.
01:01:39.000 And when he was over there, you got a sense, because Louis Theroux is a really fascinating British documentary guy.
01:01:47.000 Yeah.
01:01:47.000 And, you know, he asks fantastic questions, and he's really polite, and he, like, kind of pesters them over and over and over again until he gets to the heart of the matter.
01:01:55.000 But at the end of the documentary, you realize, like, this is complex.
01:01:59.000 This is not as simple as, hey, these mean people want to go over there and kill animals and treat them as objects.
01:02:06.000 The whole place is kind of...
01:02:08.000 It's very, very confused.
01:02:11.000 Yeah.
01:02:12.000 Like, it's a mess.
01:02:13.000 There's a video...
01:02:16.000 Right now, Jamie could probably find it.
01:02:18.000 I think there's three hunters and they're over there.
01:02:21.000 I can't remember if they have bows and arrows or spears.
01:02:24.000 But what they do, this lion kills an animal.
01:02:28.000 For them to get meat, they run in there.
01:02:32.000 And chase off the lion.
01:02:33.000 And chase off the lion and steal the meat.
01:02:35.000 I've seen that.
01:02:36.000 Cut the leg off the...
01:02:37.000 I can't remember if it was a wildebeest.
01:02:39.000 I can't remember what it was.
01:02:40.000 Cut the leg off of it and get out of there before the lions...
01:02:43.000 Because lions...
01:02:44.000 If you run at a lion, sometimes they'll be like, whoa, that's weird.
01:02:48.000 And they'll back off.
01:02:49.000 And then before they figure it out, they'll be like, wait a second. 1.00
01:02:52.000 I can kill you. 0.99
01:02:53.000 But in that hesitation time, they try to cut off that leg and get out of there. 1.00
01:02:58.000 So...
01:02:59.000 You know, when you're here in America making decisions for people like that, it's like, I got a problem with that.
01:03:07.000 Yeah.
01:03:08.000 What you said makes a lot of sense that it's a first world perspective on a third world problem where people are literally starving to death.
01:03:17.000 They're trying to figure out how to get food to survive.
01:03:21.000 They need protein.
01:03:21.000 That protein is like gold back there.
01:03:27.000 Yeah, this is it.
01:03:28.000 This is the video, and this is on Discovery Channel.
01:03:30.000 We can't show it, but these people are running in.
01:03:32.000 It's on Human Planet if you want to watch it.
01:03:34.000 I think it's on Netflix or a couple places.
01:03:37.000 Yeah, it's pretty intense.
01:03:39.000 So the lion's basically covered with blood.
01:03:43.000 It's crazy.
01:03:44.000 I mean, the lions just don't know what to do.
01:03:47.000 They see these people walking at them with what looked like weapons, and they just take a chance and bolt. 0.99
01:03:52.000 But what a fucking chance that is. 0.99
01:03:54.000 Yeah. 0.99
01:03:55.000 Yeah, so those are bows and arrows, it looks like.
01:03:58.000 Look at these things, man.
01:03:59.000 I know.
01:03:59.000 Staring at them.
01:04:00.000 Yeah.
01:04:01.000 And they're super intense.
01:04:02.000 What's that video?
01:04:02.000 It's the title, Jamie.
01:04:05.000 Human plants stealing meat from lions.
01:04:08.000 Check it out.
01:04:08.000 So, I mean, until...
01:04:10.000 I don't know.
01:04:12.000 Obviously, not everybody's going to go do this.
01:04:14.000 But you need to watch this just to get an idea of...
01:04:18.000 How rough it is.
01:04:18.000 It's just, you know, the measures I'll take to get some protein.
01:04:23.000 Yeah.
01:04:23.000 I mean, that whole Cecil the lion thing just created this uproar.
01:04:29.000 If you steal to kill and nobody is hurt...
01:04:33.000 That's when you can relax.
01:04:35.000 Jesus Christ.
01:04:37.000 Yeah, there he goes.
01:04:37.000 And feel happy.
01:04:38.000 He goes with a hindquarter slung over his shoulders. 1.00
01:04:41.000 Yeah, and he's going to feed his family with that.
01:04:42.000 And so, to me, you know, hunters are vilified by a large majority of the population here, whereas we've said before, 96% of America eats meat.
01:04:54.000 And hunters are the ones out there getting to themselves.
01:04:58.000 And, like, I remember that last buck I killed...
01:05:01.000 And Lanai, I was meticulous on taking care of that meat.
01:05:06.000 And as I gutted the animal, as I took the bladder out, I can't remember what happened, but a drop of urine dropped on a tiny little piece of the back ham.
01:05:17.000 And I was just like, what?
01:05:18.000 I was not happy.
01:05:20.000 And because that meat is, to me...
01:05:23.000 It's everything.
01:05:24.000 It's everything for the hunt.
01:05:25.000 And I was so disappointed in myself.
01:05:27.000 But, I mean, obviously the meat's still good, but I want to be perfect when I'm taking care of it.
01:05:34.000 Meanwhile...
01:05:35.000 There's people that eat, 96% of people eat meat, and we throw away what's been figured 40% of our food.
01:05:45.000 Yeah, food waste is insane in this country, and I think Anthony Bourdain just did a documentary on it, right?
01:05:50.000 I don't think it's out yet, but he did a documentary on food waste.
01:05:54.000 So I'm worried about one little tiny piece of meat on an animal I killed And people who throw away 40% of what they buy into the garbage, they're judging me.
01:06:07.000 Yeah, well, there's a lot of that out there, man.
01:06:08.000 It's real easy to be negative.
01:06:10.000 You know, and that's one thing.
01:06:12.000 Like I said about, put up my post about Lanai, I just saw like a couple negative comments.
01:06:17.000 I'm like, I'm not even reading this stuff.
01:06:19.000 Like, go, have at it, folks.
01:06:20.000 Wait.
01:06:20.000 Just walk away.
01:06:22.000 How did you know what they said if you didn't read them?
01:06:24.000 Because I put it up and I saw it immediately afterwards.
01:06:27.000 So you read it?
01:06:28.000 I read like a half a second of it.
01:06:30.000 But my point is that people will be negative because it's easy to do. 0.98
01:06:36.000 Because they're douchebags. 1.00
01:06:37.000 Well, they don't even... 0.99
01:06:39.000 Look...
01:06:40.000 They're not even thinking it through. 1.00
01:06:42.000 It's like, yeah, you fucking just like killing animals. 1.00
01:06:44.000 People like to just make a statement or get a reaction or push a button or fuck with you. 1.00
01:06:50.000 Yeah, they want a reaction. 1.00
01:06:52.000 That's all it is.
01:06:52.000 So you can do one of two things.
01:06:54.000 You can ignore it.
01:06:54.000 You can interact with them and argue with them back and forth.
01:06:58.000 You can block the comments. 0.99
01:06:59.000 All those things are kind of fucked. 1.00
01:07:01.000 Yeah, it sucks. 1.00
01:07:03.000 God, I've been pretty frustrated. 0.97
01:07:07.000 I've Whatever.
01:07:09.000 I'm not going to say I don't read them because obviously I read them, but I get frustrated.
01:07:14.000 Man, it's just hunting.
01:07:17.000 People just don't understand hunting because even hunters will say, I'll say, I don't enjoy the kill.
01:07:23.000 And I don't enjoy the kill.
01:07:24.000 I enjoy hunting.
01:07:27.000 Getting meat that I can feed my family myself.
01:07:30.000 You don't enjoy the kill in that.
01:07:32.000 It's not like, yeah, this is awesome.
01:07:35.000 But it is like, it's a relief.
01:07:37.000 It feels good that your hard work paid off.
01:07:40.000 It feels good that all the ethical consideration that you put into making a perfect shot is all worked out.
01:07:48.000 And the amount of work that's involved in making...
01:07:51.000 You know, a 70-yard shot. 0.99
01:07:53.000 70 yards is a long fucking way to hit an animal perfectly, and then to have it die in seconds, and then to get that meat. 0.99
01:08:01.000 There's an enjoyment that comes out of it. 0.99
01:08:03.000 There's a good feeling, but it's not like shooting a three-pointer at the buzzer to win the championships and everybody's jumping up in the air.
01:08:11.000 It's not fun.
01:08:12.000 People say, well, hunting is...
01:08:13.000 killing is fun.
01:08:14.000 It's like, no, it's not fun.
01:08:15.000 For me, it's not fun at all.
01:08:17.000 I... I killed two bucks, made two perfect shots.
01:08:21.000 They went not far or down in seconds.
01:08:26.000 And that was a huge relief to me.
01:08:27.000 That's why I do what I do every single day.
01:08:30.000 And like I said, I posted on it to be merciful.
01:08:33.000 And I don't enjoy when I'm not as perfect as I want to be.
01:08:38.000 And I killed a bull last year in Colorado.
01:08:42.000 I was with Johnny Hamilton, which you know Johnny, and he was back cow calling here. 0.90
01:08:46.000 This bull comes up the hill.
01:08:47.000 He stops at 15 yards, and I hit him perfect.
01:08:52.000 Right behind the shoulder, perfect.
01:08:54.000 He ran down, stopped at 30, hesitated again.
01:08:56.000 I already had another arrow on.
01:08:58.000 Boom, hit him right beside the first hole. 0.83
01:09:01.000 And I'm like...
01:09:02.000 That bull, I was so convinced he was down.
01:09:05.000 And I was just like, oh man, that felt good.
01:09:08.000 Got two in him.
01:09:10.000 Perfect.
01:09:10.000 Through the lungs.
01:09:11.000 He's going to be done in seconds.
01:09:13.000 He wasn't done in seconds.
01:09:15.000 And I don't know what happened.
01:09:19.000 Whether it was testosterone, because he's coming off the hill.
01:09:21.000 He's bugling.
01:09:22.000 He was super fired up.
01:09:24.000 So I don't know what was going on.
01:09:26.000 But it ended up, it wasn't as quick a kill as...
01:09:31.000 What I have in my mind, what I prepare for, what I'm happy accepting.
01:09:36.000 And that...
01:09:37.000 And Johnny knows I wasn't happy.
01:09:39.000 I was just like...
01:09:40.000 I was so disappointed.
01:09:41.000 How long did you stay alive for?
01:09:43.000 Um...
01:09:44.000 I don't know.
01:09:46.000 Maybe...
01:09:47.000 Maybe 20 minutes.
01:09:49.000 20 minutes?
01:09:50.000 Something like that.
01:09:51.000 Wow, that's crazy.
01:09:52.000 Yeah, yeah.
01:09:52.000 How's that possible?
01:09:53.000 I don't know.
01:09:54.000 I have no idea.
01:09:55.000 They're so tough.
01:09:57.000 That's incredible.
01:09:58.000 No, I would...
01:10:00.000 It really bothered me.
01:10:01.000 It upset me.
01:10:05.000 I was disappointed with myself.
01:10:07.000 I was disappointed.
01:10:08.000 But there's nothing you could have done better, right?
01:10:10.000 I don't know.
01:10:11.000 I don't think.
01:10:11.000 But if you made a perfect shot.
01:10:12.000 I felt like it was perfect.
01:10:14.000 But, you know, if it's perfect, the animal's dead and...
01:10:18.000 Right.
01:10:19.000 So, I don't know.
01:10:21.000 But when I watched it, I've killed a lot of bulls.
01:10:23.000 I've went through the process a lot.
01:10:25.000 I would take those two shots on any animal any time and feel 100% confident he was going to go 50 yards.
01:10:33.000 That was something that I was really concerned about when we filmed that Under Armour hunt in Utah.
01:10:40.000 Yeah.
01:10:40.000 Because I was like, man, this is going to be on video.
01:10:43.000 This is a big animal.
01:10:47.000 It's a big deal.
01:10:49.000 Yeah.
01:10:50.000 Yeah.
01:11:01.000 Yeah.
01:11:12.000 That's an amazing feeling of relief, but it doesn't feel good.
01:11:15.000 It doesn't feel good.
01:11:16.000 It's not fun.
01:11:16.000 No, it's not fun.
01:11:17.000 No.
01:11:18.000 There's a feeling of, like, accomplishment, but also of remorse.
01:11:23.000 Yeah.
01:11:23.000 And they're tied in together.
01:11:25.000 Yeah.
01:11:28.000 And for the animal, like, with a bow, with a perfect shot, you know, on these bucks that I killed, they didn't know I was there.
01:11:36.000 So it was just, I know they didn't feel...
01:11:39.000 It wasn't like there's a rifle report and bone shattering and they're dying from trauma.
01:11:45.000 They're dying from hemorrhage.
01:11:46.000 Like your bull in Utah that took off.
01:11:48.000 His legs were wobbly because of blood pressure.
01:11:51.000 He had a blood pressure loss because of hemorrhage.
01:11:53.000 That's not painful.
01:11:55.000 And so that was a perfect scenario.
01:11:59.000 That's what we prepare for.
01:12:01.000 And that's our goal.
01:12:03.000 And when it doesn't...
01:12:04.000 Work like that, that bothers me.
01:12:06.000 And so when people chime in on your page or on my page and these uneducated comments trying to tell me how I feel or why I do what I do, man, that does not make me happy.
01:12:20.000 No, but I understand.
01:12:22.000 The ability to comment on things is a very strange thing because the ability to talk to people, it's very difficult to have an audience to sit in front of someone that, you know, Pick a person, a famous, like Morgan Freeman,
01:12:38.000 to sit down across...
01:12:39.000 I don't know why I picked Morgan Freeman.
01:12:40.000 It's very hard.
01:12:41.000 It's very hard to be in front of him.
01:12:43.000 To be able to sit down and talk to someone and to look them in the eyes.
01:12:47.000 You would choose your words properly and you would have a conversation.
01:12:50.000 But if you're just like, what's on your face, bro? 1.00
01:12:54.000 What's all those black spots on your face, you dumb fuck? 1.00
01:12:56.000 You just put that on Twitter and it's easy. 1.00
01:12:59.000 It's easy.
01:13:00.000 So it's a human being communicating with another human being and saying something insulting and it's so incredibly easy to do.
01:13:07.000 It's too easy.
01:13:08.000 We don't really understand what we're doing with that.
01:13:11.000 And when it comes to hunting...
01:13:14.000 There's something about the fact that I think it's 97% actually eat meat somewhere in the range and maybe 3% do it themselves.
01:13:26.000 3%.
01:13:26.000 What do you think it is nationwide?
01:13:28.000 If you had to pick nationwide, how many people nationwide kill their own food?
01:13:33.000 Is it even 5%?
01:13:35.000 Okay, well there's, I know, because I looked this up, because I was curious about how many people I'm reaching on Instagram.
01:13:42.000 So there's 13 million licensed hunters.
01:13:46.000 13 million.
01:13:47.000 13 million.
01:13:48.000 How many, isn't there 300 and some, how many people are in America?
01:13:52.000 I think it's 320. Is it 320, somewhere in the range?
01:13:55.000 320 million?
01:13:56.000 Yeah, so what is that?
01:13:57.000 Under 5%?
01:13:59.000 Yeah.
01:13:59.000 Yeah.
01:14:00.000 It's not a lot.
01:14:01.000 It's a very small amount.
01:14:03.000 And how many of them are only eating that?
01:14:06.000 How many of them are spending so much time hunting that they can live off of the meat that they kill themselves?
01:14:13.000 Only.
01:14:14.000 It's one.
01:14:15.000 Maybe one percent.
01:14:16.000 Not even.
01:14:17.000 I saw people...
01:14:18.000 We had a picture of your freezer back here filled with meat.
01:14:22.000 And they're saying, you couldn't eat that.
01:14:25.000 I thought you were just killing what you need to eat.
01:14:28.000 But...
01:14:29.000 So that's just some... 0.99
01:14:30.000 First of all, those people don't know what the fuck they're talking about. 0.99
01:14:33.000 I do eat it. 1.00
01:14:33.000 I eat all of it. 1.00
01:14:34.000 And I'll go through that whole freezer in a few months.
01:14:36.000 Right.
01:14:37.000 And I give it away to a lot of my friends.
01:14:38.000 That was the key.
01:14:39.000 That I was going to say is every guest that comes, you ask if they want game meat. 0.99
01:14:44.000 Brian Callen, that fucking mooch, he comes over here constantly. 1.00
01:14:47.000 He's like, I need more steak. 1.00
01:14:48.000 I need more meat.
01:14:50.000 I give it to a lot of my friends.
01:14:51.000 Have you seen his body? 0.93
01:14:52.000 He's jacked. 0.99
01:14:53.000 He's jacked. 1.00
01:14:54.000 Feed that monstrous body. 0.99
01:14:55.000 Yeah, right, right. 1.00
01:14:56.000 He's a beast.
01:14:57.000 So I thought he ate steaks like all day every day.
01:15:01.000 If you ask him, he'll say he does.
01:15:02.000 I eat elk.
01:15:03.000 Or his quads.
01:15:05.000 Yeah, everything.
01:15:06.000 Top to bottom.
01:15:08.000 But, I mean, I give meat away to a lot of my friends.
01:15:11.000 And they love it. 0.95
01:15:12.000 It's like it's fucking hard to get elk meat. 0.97
01:15:14.000 Where are you going to get it? 0.98
01:15:15.000 I see a lot of people send me messages that...
01:15:18.000 We're good to go.
01:15:34.000 Hunters are providers. 1.00
01:15:36.000 That's a big...
01:15:37.000 It feels good to be able to give people meat and food.
01:15:41.000 To me, it's everything.
01:15:43.000 It's either to feed my family or to give my friends or my extended family meat that I've harvested.
01:15:52.000 To me, that's as good as it gets.
01:15:55.000 Yeah, I had Michael Hunter on the podcast recently.
01:15:58.000 He's the chef that runs that restaurant Antler in Toronto and they're getting protested by vegans.
01:16:03.000 I gave him a bunch of meat and he cooked it and put it up on Instagram.
01:16:07.000 And he was like, this is so awesome.
01:16:08.000 And it made me feel so good to look at these delicious meals that this guy prepared who's a professional chef with meat from an animal that I killed.
01:16:16.000 I give away a lot of that meat, but I eat it every day.
01:16:20.000 Do you?
01:16:20.000 I eat almost every day.
01:16:22.000 I eat some sort of game meat.
01:16:24.000 Yeah.
01:16:24.000 If I'm home, that's what I eat.
01:16:26.000 Yeah.
01:16:27.000 Well, we ate a bunch in Lanai.
01:16:29.000 I know that.
01:16:31.000 What are those sticks called?
01:16:33.000 Oh, what Bob the Butcher makes.
01:16:36.000 He calls them Axis Jacks.
01:16:37.000 Axis Jacks.
01:16:38.000 He makes like a...
01:16:39.000 It's like pepperoni.
01:16:40.000 Yeah, like a pepperoni out of Axis deer. 0.93
01:16:43.000 It's sensational.
01:16:45.000 Sensational.
01:16:46.000 He's a really good butcher, too.
01:16:48.000 Like what he's done with all the cuts and labeled them all, and he gives you an envelope that has all of the recipes of how you should cook each individual cut.
01:16:56.000 Yeah.
01:16:57.000 That's awesome, man.
01:16:58.000 It makes me feel...
01:16:59.000 Look, I never saw any of this when I was a kid.
01:17:01.000 I grew up in the city.
01:17:02.000 I never...
01:17:03.000 I used to fish.
01:17:04.000 I used to eat fish that I caught, but I never was involved in hunting at all until I was in my 40s.
01:17:09.000 So when I... I see comments from people that probably grew up the way I grew up, and they don't get it.
01:17:16.000 They're never involved in it, but yet they're eating meat.
01:17:19.000 And it's just...
01:17:19.000 It's because no one's holding them accountable for what they're saying.
01:17:23.000 Mm-hmm.
01:17:24.000 Because it's easy to say. 1.00
01:17:25.000 Oh, you got a little dick? 1.00
01:17:26.000 You want to kill that animal because you got a little dick? 1.00
01:17:28.000 So dumb. 1.00
01:17:29.000 It's so common. 1.00
01:17:30.000 So dumb, though. 1.00
01:17:31.000 Can you imagine if you have a little dick and you just want to go out and kill? 1.00
01:17:36.000 There'd be a lot of death out there. 1.00
01:17:37.000 There's a lot of little dicks. 1.00
01:17:38.000 Maybe we should show them just to prove we're wrong. 0.99
01:17:41.000 I don't want to show them.
01:17:44.000 Hey, let's look at that bear attack.
01:17:47.000 The selfie bear attack. 1.00
01:17:48.000 Oh, this poor bastard. 1.00
01:17:48.000 We forgot to do that. 1.00
01:17:49.000 Well, that was one of the weird things that we were talking about.
01:17:51.000 How, warning, graphic content.
01:17:53.000 Man mauled by bear while taking a selfie with it.
01:17:56.000 Go full screen in this, please.
01:17:57.000 Oh my god. 1.00
01:17:58.000 This stupid fuck. 1.00
01:18:00.000 So, this bear apparently was injured. 1.00
01:18:02.000 And this dumbass in India decided he was going to go and take a selfie with it. 1.00
01:18:07.000 Oh, he's hitting it. 1.00
01:18:08.000 Oh, he's hitting it. 1.00
01:18:09.000 Oh, you stupid fuck. 1.00
01:18:12.000 Oh, no, it's got the guy. 1.00
01:18:13.000 That's why.
01:18:14.000 Oh, it does?
01:18:15.000 Yeah, they're hitting it because it's got the guy. 0.98
01:18:17.000 He's already fucking this guy up. 0.95
01:18:19.000 So there's a bear in India? 0.99
01:18:21.000 Yeah, they have bears.
01:18:22.000 Look at it.
01:18:23.000 Oh, Jesus Christ.
01:18:26.000 That's not good.
01:18:27.000 No.
01:18:29.000 That's...
01:18:29.000 He's almost free.
01:18:31.000 Look. 0.98
01:18:31.000 That guy's got shitty jujitsu. 0.98
01:18:33.000 What he's got to do... 0.97
01:18:35.000 Oh, see, look at that.
01:18:36.000 Right there, you're free, bro.
01:18:38.000 You're free.
01:18:39.000 Oh.
01:18:39.000 Oh, it's tearing his hand apart.
01:18:41.000 That is brutal.
01:18:42.000 Okay, you can shut this off.
01:18:43.000 The dog's like, bark, bark.
01:18:46.000 Bark, bark.
01:18:47.000 Oh, man.
01:18:48.000 That's... 1.00
01:18:48.000 Yeah, that's a shit way to go, folks. 1.00
01:18:50.000 God, that looks terrible. 0.99
01:18:52.000 Yeah.
01:18:53.000 Why don't... 1.00
01:18:54.000 Does no one have a fucking gun? 1.00
01:18:56.000 Does no one have a knife? 1.00
01:18:57.000 Does no one have a baseball bat? 1.00
01:18:59.000 You can go and clonk that fucking thing in the head. 1.00
01:19:01.000 Nobody's doing anything. 1.00
01:19:02.000 Yeah.
01:19:03.000 They're like, it's over.
01:19:04.000 We've lost him.
01:19:05.000 Oh.
01:19:06.000 Is that the bear?
01:19:09.000 That's the bear?
01:19:11.000 Is that what it says?
01:19:12.000 I don't know why they would show it afterwards.
01:19:14.000 It just says, what a bear looks like. 1.00
01:19:16.000 It's just some stupid video of a bear in a zoo. 1.00
01:19:20.000 Bad. 1.00
01:19:21.000 Bad to take pictures with bears.
01:19:22.000 It's a real common thing in Yellowstone.
01:19:24.000 They have a real issue with that.
01:19:25.000 People try to get real close to bears and take selfies with them.
01:19:28.000 I've done that before.
01:19:30.000 Well, I think it's different.
01:19:32.000 You've done it while bear hunting.
01:19:34.000 Yeah.
01:19:35.000 But you've only done it with black bears.
01:19:37.000 Yeah.
01:19:38.000 Like, you've never turned your back on a grizzly like that.
01:19:39.000 No, no, no, no.
01:19:40.000 But in black bear, it's still not safe.
01:19:43.000 I'm not going to say it's smart at all.
01:19:45.000 It's definitely not.
01:19:47.000 Yeah.
01:19:49.000 But it's, you know, you can read bears.
01:19:53.000 Bears have personality or attitude.
01:19:55.000 Just like dogs.
01:19:56.000 Yeah.
01:19:56.000 And so it's, if there's an aggressive bear coming in, Probably not going to turn my back.
01:20:01.000 Yeah.
01:20:02.000 I have one dog that I will let my kids, my Mastiff, my kids could ride that dog.
01:20:08.000 They could do anything.
01:20:08.000 That dog is a loving dog.
01:20:10.000 He loves everybody.
01:20:11.000 Yeah.
01:20:11.000 You know?
01:20:12.000 And then I have another dog that's a Shibu Ino Bulldog. 1.00
01:20:14.000 I don't let anybody fuck with him. 1.00
01:20:16.000 Yeah. 1.00
01:20:17.000 He's the littlest dog, too. 1.00
01:20:18.000 He's an asshole. 1.00
01:20:18.000 Oh. 1.00
01:20:19.000 Like, if you try to get him to get up and get out of the house in the morning, he'll growl at you. 1.00
01:20:23.000 You're like, listen, motherfucker. 1.00
01:20:24.000 Come on. 1.00
01:20:25.000 Go outside.
01:20:25.000 Yeah.
01:20:26.000 It's tight.
01:20:26.000 Yeah.
01:20:27.000 Are you growling, bitch? 1.00
01:20:28.000 I'm like, come on, man. 1.00
01:20:29.000 I've had you for 14 years.
01:20:31.000 Get up.
01:20:32.000 He's just old.
01:20:33.000 He's in pain a lot.
01:20:35.000 It's really hard for him to get up.
01:20:37.000 But the point is, the other dog, I'm sure, he's old, too.
01:20:39.000 But he's a sweetheart.
01:20:41.000 He's got no aggression in him towards people.
01:20:44.000 He's just a sweet, sweet dog.
01:20:45.000 That's just personalities.
01:20:47.000 Bears are just like that. 0.98
01:20:48.000 There's some bears that are cunts. 0.94
01:20:50.000 Actually, there's a petition out there about something about me, but it says, I took a selfie of a bear then killed it, which is false. 0.95
01:21:00.000 The bear I took a selfie of, I did not kill because it wasn't old enough.
01:21:04.000 Yeah.
01:21:05.000 So, just to dispel any rumors.
01:21:07.000 Wow, those petitions are fascinating.
01:21:10.000 You know, I mean...
01:21:11.000 People don't want you to kill bears.
01:21:14.000 Here's the thing.
01:21:15.000 People don't want animals to die.
01:21:19.000 They don't want you to kill animals.
01:21:20.000 How do you feel about animals killing animals?
01:21:22.000 Because if you don't want animals to die, one of the best ways to stop that is to kill bears.
01:21:27.000 But if you kill bears, they get more angry at you for killing bears, mountain lions, and lions than anything else.
01:21:34.000 Maybe elephants, which don't kill anything.
01:21:36.000 Total herbivores.
01:21:37.000 They kill people. 1.00
01:21:38.000 Elephants do occasionally, but mostly when people do something stupid, like fuck with them. 1.00
01:21:43.000 They don't go out of their way to kill people. 1.00
01:21:44.000 I think they do.
01:21:45.000 Nah, I doubt it.
01:21:47.000 I think they kill people if people are just where they want to go. 1.00
01:21:51.000 Like, hey asshole, get the fuck out of my way. 1.00
01:21:52.000 That's killing them. 1.00
01:21:53.000 How about you get away from the elephant?
01:21:55.000 But, you know, the problem with that is, like, if you're growing crops, like we were saying, and the elephant starts eating your crops, you're like, get out of here, and the elephant's like, oh, excuse me?
01:22:03.000 Yeah, stomp. 1.00
01:22:04.000 Yeah, that's a wrap, kid.
01:22:06.000 Elephants can be aggressive. 0.99
01:22:07.000 They can, but they're also fucked with constantly, and, you know, there's just something, to me... 0.94
01:22:13.000 I like elephants. 0.96
01:22:14.000 I think they look awesome.
01:22:16.000 They're cool.
01:22:17.000 I'm glad they're real.
01:22:19.000 I know they're smart.
01:22:20.000 I know they have like tight bonds in their community. 0.56
01:22:22.000 And you don't have to kill one of those to eat it.
01:22:24.000 I mean, it's like there's plenty of other animals to eat.
01:22:28.000 But, if I was starving to death, And I was living in a place that only had elephants, for sure I'd kill an elephant.
01:22:34.000 I mean, if that was all I had to eat...
01:22:36.000 Our friend Brian Stevens said it tasted delicious.
01:22:38.000 He said he ate one in Africa.
01:22:40.000 Did he?
01:22:40.000 And he said it was one of the most delicious steaks he's ever had in his life.
01:22:44.000 And I was like, what?
01:22:45.000 Like, how is that possible?
01:22:48.000 Endangered elephants and tigers kill one human a day in India as growing population squeezes habitat.
01:22:55.000 Yeah, but this is a crazy situation, man. 0.99
01:22:58.000 India is fucking so overpopulated. 0.99
01:23:01.000 It is a very, very small place. 1.00
01:23:03.000 What is he doing?
01:23:04.000 Trying to get over that fence.
01:23:05.000 See that?
01:23:06.000 Oh, it's tearing apart that car. 1.00
01:23:07.000 Look at that shit. 1.00
01:23:08.000 1,000 human deaths since 2014. Wow. 1.00
01:23:10.000 So they kill people.
01:23:11.000 1,000 human deaths in four years, whilst tigers have killed 92 people in the same period of time.
01:23:16.000 So elephants kill way more.
01:23:18.000 Whoa.
01:23:19.000 That's nuts.
01:23:21.000 At the end of that bear selfie thing, it said two other people were killed in that state in India, and they were both trying to take selfies with elephants. 1.00
01:23:29.000 Fucking dipshits. 1.00
01:23:31.000 When was a kid? 1.00
01:23:31.000 There's too many people in India. 1.00
01:23:33.000 I mean, India is grossly overpopulated.
01:23:36.000 India, I think, is smaller than the United States, right?
01:23:40.000 Isn't it?
01:23:40.000 Like, what size is India?
01:23:42.000 I don't know.
01:23:43.000 I think it's smaller than the contiguous United States, but it has a billion people in it.
01:23:48.000 Yeah.
01:23:49.000 It's slightly more than one-third the size.
01:23:51.000 Oh, more than one-third the size.
01:23:53.000 Okay.
01:23:54.000 A billion is a lot.
01:23:55.000 Yeah. 1.00
01:23:56.000 That's a lot of fucking people. 1.00
01:23:57.000 Yeah. 1.00
01:23:58.000 So they get triple what we have and a third the size.
01:24:00.000 Yeah.
01:24:01.000 No, a third larger.
01:24:03.000 Oh.
01:24:04.000 That's what you're saying, right?
01:24:04.000 It says it's slightly more than one-third the size of the USLV. Oh!
01:24:08.000 So it's a third.
01:24:09.000 A third our size?
01:24:10.000 Yeah.
01:24:10.000 I thought you were saying a third larger.
01:24:12.000 That's what I thought I was saying, too, but I just, I reread it, and it...
01:24:14.000 Oh, that makes sense.
01:24:16.000 So it's a third of us, but has three times the people. 1.00
01:24:19.000 Fuck. 0.99
01:24:20.000 It's half the size of Russia. 1.00
01:24:21.000 Oh my god.
01:24:22.000 Yeah.
01:24:23.000 Jesus Christ.
01:24:25.000 Yeah, a human a day is killed.
01:24:27.000 That's crazy.
01:24:28.000 How do you fix that place?
01:24:29.000 You know?
01:24:30.000 Yeah, that's part of...
01:24:33.000 I don't know.
01:24:33.000 There's...
01:24:33.000 Africa is...
01:24:35.000 Some places in Africa also, they...
01:24:37.000 I know that because malaria medicine is good, people aren't dying from AIDS, there's a lot of people...
01:24:46.000 Oh, that's India. 0.99
01:24:47.000 How big is India compared to the USA? Look at this.
01:24:49.000 India fits right in there.
01:24:50.000 My favorite is, how big is Africa?
01:24:53.000 Go to how big is Africa? 0.95
01:24:55.000 Because Africa's hilarious.
01:24:56.000 Look at that.
01:24:57.000 USA, India, China...
01:24:59.000 Yeah.
01:25:00.000 Eastern Europe, Germany, France, Spain, Italy, Switzerland, Netherlands, Belgium, Portugal, and Japan, and Great Britain, all fit inside of Africa. 1.00
01:25:15.000 Fuck that's big! 0.99
01:25:17.000 Yeah, it's a big area. 1.00
01:25:18.000 Fuck! 1.00
01:25:19.000 Yep. 1.00
01:25:20.000 That is crazy!
01:25:21.000 Africa's amazing though, man.
01:25:23.000 That's crazy.
01:25:26.000 When you look at that on a map, you're like, wow!
01:25:30.000 The Congo is as wide as America is. 0.90
01:25:33.000 Just the Congo. 0.96
01:25:36.000 The true size of Africa.
01:25:38.000 Man.
01:25:38.000 And someone says, like, elephants are endangered in Africa.
01:25:41.000 In some spots.
01:25:43.000 Some spots, yeah.
01:25:43.000 In some spots, they're overrun.
01:25:45.000 It's just like, grizzlies are endangered in L.A. They're really endangered in LA. Unless you go to these certain bars in Santa Monica Boulevard, they have bears for days.
01:25:54.000 Oh, no.
01:25:55.000 I didn't know that was a gay reference until recently.
01:25:58.000 Who have you been hanging out with?
01:26:00.000 Not gay people, I guess. 0.99
01:26:02.000 You don't hang around. 0.95
01:26:03.000 You just, you gotta just read.
01:26:05.000 Oh.
01:26:06.000 Read on these things.
01:26:07.000 You don't have to hang out?
01:26:07.000 No, no, you don't have to hang out with them.
01:26:08.000 You don't have to actually go there. 0.50
01:26:10.000 Like, I need to know guys about gay. 0.99
01:26:11.000 Well, take your pants down first. 1.00
01:26:13.000 If you want to get in the club.
01:26:17.000 Hey, speaking of, I don't know what we're speaking of, but we need to talk about Kanye.
01:26:24.000 Oh, Jamie's got crazy Kanye conspiracy theories slash theories.
01:26:29.000 Well, first of all, he came out for Trump recently.
01:26:35.000 Sort of. 0.97
01:26:36.000 He wore a Make America Great Again hat on, but he also called Trump a bald thief recently, too. 0.92
01:26:44.000 He did? 0.68
01:26:45.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1.00
01:26:46.000 He called him a bald crook or a bald thief. 1.00
01:26:48.000 I think Kanye is a lunatic. 1.00
01:26:51.000 Yeah. 1.00
01:26:52.000 So, I could care less what he says about anything.
01:26:54.000 Jamie loves him.
01:26:55.000 Jamie sleeps with a picture of Kanye under his pillow.
01:26:57.000 Stop.
01:26:58.000 Stop.
01:26:59.000 No, I don't. 1.00
01:27:00.000 People believe that shit. 1.00
01:27:01.000 People believe that? 1.00
01:27:02.000 Come on.
01:27:03.000 People believe everything you say about me.
01:27:06.000 It's a pendant with his picture in it.
01:27:09.000 James is a big fan of two things.
01:27:11.000 Nuclear weapons and Trump.
01:27:18.000 He loves nuclear bombs and he loves physics class.
01:27:21.000 And Trump.
01:27:23.000 I was just in one before.
01:27:25.000 Here's what I like.
01:27:27.000 Well, Kanye's a lunatic, but I do like Candace Owens, who is also new on the scene in my Fox News world. 0.91
01:27:33.000 You love that. 0.96
01:27:34.000 I love...
01:27:35.000 You love conservatives.
01:27:37.000 Well, and Candace is just like... 1.00
01:27:38.000 I walked in from work the other day, and I was like...
01:27:42.000 I started listening.
01:27:42.000 Fox News is on a course.
01:27:43.000 I'm watching, and I'm like... 0.94
01:27:45.000 Who the hell's this?
01:27:46.000 You say Fox News is on, of course. 0.93
01:27:48.000 Because Fox News is just blaring propaganda through your house all the time.
01:27:52.000 Do you ever switch it up?
01:27:53.000 Like have like CNN on in the bathroom and Fox News on in the living room?
01:27:57.000 I watch it all.
01:27:57.000 I do watch CNN. Alex Jones says, tune in at 1.30pm to watch InfoWars exclusive on Candace and Kanye.
01:28:04.000 See, I don't like...
01:28:05.000 Oh, he's got exclusives?
01:28:05.000 I don't...
01:28:06.000 It didn't happen.
01:28:07.000 He was just like alive.
01:28:08.000 What is he going to say?
01:28:09.000 Featuring Candace and Kanye?
01:28:11.000 I don't want to lump them in together.
01:28:13.000 But is he talking about them?
01:28:15.000 Everyone thought they were going to be on his show together.
01:28:18.000 It didn't happen.
01:28:19.000 InfoWars exclusive.
01:28:20.000 He probably called them.
01:28:21.000 Kanye, it's Alex Jones.
01:28:22.000 I could care less what Kanye says.
01:28:24.000 I like what Candace says.
01:28:26.000 Well, Jamie thinks that all this wackiness with Candace Owens and Kanye is really Kanye just getting people hyped up about the release of his new album, which will be out in a few months.
01:28:36.000 So he's getting people fired up.
01:28:38.000 You think that's what's happening, Jamie?
01:28:40.000 Yeah, there's an internet conspiracy that's been, like, not proven, because it can't be proven yet, but there's a long Twitter thread and a few, like, reports on blogs or magazines, if you will, that sort of lead to, like, an Andy Kaufman-esque type performance art piece that he's doing.
01:28:54.000 Maybe bring up a conversation about some of these topics he's actually talking about, or maybe we'll find out when his album comes out.
01:29:02.000 If Kanye is doing performance art, then what's the point?
01:29:05.000 Here's the problem. 0.74
01:29:07.000 There's a certain amount of him that is undeniably insane.
01:29:11.000 And you've seen that, like that thing that Jimmy Kimmel mocked, where he had that little kid.
01:29:16.000 He used to do little kids saying things that Kanye said, and like he would have like...
01:29:22.000 Oh, really?
01:29:22.000 Yeah, like he would have little kids say the exact...
01:29:25.000 I hate Jimmy Kimmel, by the way.
01:29:26.000 Hate him? 0.99
01:29:26.000 I hate him. 0.99
01:29:27.000 He's a nice guy. 0.68
01:29:27.000 No. 0.68
01:29:28.000 You'd better be like him.
01:29:29.000 I like him a lot.
01:29:29.000 He cries about hunting.
01:29:33.000 What did he cry about?
01:29:34.000 Lions?
01:29:34.000 Seesaw.
01:29:35.000 Yeah.
01:29:36.000 I don't know why.
01:29:37.000 Maybe he's on medication.
01:29:39.000 Sometimes guys take things and it ups their estrogen and they just get real watery.
01:29:45.000 Yeah.
01:29:45.000 I cry when people do really well.
01:29:47.000 I feel like a bitch sometimes. 0.98
01:29:49.000 I cried when Conor McGregor was talking about the support he gets from Ireland. 0.99
01:29:52.000 I had to hold back to tears.
01:29:54.000 Did you?
01:29:55.000 Being honest.
01:29:55.000 Just being honest.
01:29:56.000 I was interviewing him, and he started talking about the love I get from these people from Ireland.
01:30:00.000 I'm like, God, that must be amazing.
01:30:03.000 Yeah, no, I get that.
01:30:04.000 I get that. 1.00
01:30:05.000 That's different than Jimmy, though, drumming up stupid stuff for Cecil the Lion. 0.99
01:30:11.000 Yeah, the lion thing is weird. 0.99
01:30:14.000 The lion thing is weird.
01:30:16.000 There was a great article that was in the New York Times in Zimbabwe where you don't cry for lions.
01:30:21.000 It happened right after that.
01:30:22.000 This guy was talking about his family members that were killed by lions.
01:30:26.000 We have a very idealistic view of what a lion is.
01:30:29.000 And I'm a big fan of lions.
01:30:31.000 I love that they're real.
01:30:32.000 I love that they exist.
01:30:33.000 I love that you can see videos of them.
01:30:35.000 One of my favorite documentaries of all time is a documentary called Relentless Enemies.
01:30:40.000 And it's about this one pack of lions that got A river changed its path, and they got stranded on an island.
01:30:50.000 And this one pack of lions grew enormous, because all they have to hunt is water buffalo.
01:30:56.000 So instead of this variety of different game animals, all they have to hunt is these huge 2,000 pound animals.
01:31:02.000 So they grew jacked, like Hulk-sized lions, where the female lions are as big as a regular male lion. 0.94
01:31:09.000 Really?
01:31:10.000 Wow. 1.00
01:31:10.000 Fucking amazing documentary. 1.00
01:31:12.000 That's protein. 0.99
01:31:12.000 See if you can find some images from it. 0.99
01:31:14.000 The way they look is just jacked.
01:31:17.000 They're so muscular. 1.00
01:31:19.000 They're fucking huge. 1.00
01:31:20.000 Like female lions, 600 pounds. 1.00
01:31:22.000 Really?
01:31:23.000 Wow. 0.99
01:31:23.000 Fucking amazing. 0.99
01:31:24.000 But the documentary is incredible because these water buffalo are so big and so hard to take out. 0.99
01:31:30.000 Cape buffalo.
01:31:31.000 Oh, it's Cape buffalo.
01:31:32.000 Cape, yeah. 0.99
01:31:32.000 So they need like six or seven of them to just jump these fucking buffalo and drag them to the ground. 0.99
01:31:38.000 Those things are solid muscle too, Cape Buffalo. 0.99
01:31:40.000 Yeah, they're giant.
01:31:42.000 But because of, and I believe this is over the period, I think it's a short amount of time.
01:31:48.000 Is it in Africa? 0.56
01:31:49.000 Yes.
01:31:49.000 A short amount of time that these lions have lived on this one island.
01:31:53.000 But they did a whole documentary about it.
01:31:55.000 Because all that's on this island are hyenas, Cape Buffalo, and lions.
01:32:01.000 And a few birds and a few others.
01:32:02.000 So there's nothing else for them to eat.
01:32:04.000 They don't want to eat hyenas.
01:32:05.000 Imagine what a hyena steak tastes like.
01:32:09.000 Awful.
01:32:09.000 I wonder what it tastes like.
01:32:11.000 Awful.
01:32:11.000 What if they taste great?
01:32:13.000 Imagine?
01:32:14.000 You look at a pig, like, how could that taste good?
01:32:16.000 Yeah, I don't know. 1.00
01:32:18.000 Wild pig is fucking delicious, and they look disgusting. 1.00
01:32:21.000 In Africa, they say hyenas are witches. 1.00
01:32:25.000 Witches. 0.97
01:32:26.000 Witches? 0.93
01:32:27.000 Well, they seem like it. 0.97
01:32:28.000 They're laughing at you.
01:32:29.000 Yeah, yeah.
01:32:31.000 And then that was a whole thing. 1.00
01:32:33.000 It's like an alpha female has a dick. 1.00
01:32:37.000 Remember that? 1.00
01:32:37.000 Yeah. 1.00
01:32:38.000 It's not cool.
01:32:39.000 No.
01:32:39.000 It's bigger than a male.
01:32:41.000 So Jimmy Kimmel also made the small penis reference about hunters. 0.99
01:32:46.000 What is this? 0.98
01:32:48.000 Okavango Delta Lions from Planet Earth 2. Yeah, you can't really tell in that picture.
01:32:53.000 See, Google Enormous Lions, Relentless Enemies.
01:33:00.000 This is as close as I could get to it.
01:33:01.000 I know there's video on it you can get.
01:33:04.000 Well, it's on Planet Earth 2 or that Relentless Enemies documentary.
01:33:07.000 I can't show that.
01:33:07.000 Right, right, right.
01:33:08.000 But this is Planet Earth 2. But the documentary is just Google Relentless Enemies documentary.
01:33:16.000 Wait.
01:33:18.000 So this is this area where the lions are stranded.
01:33:22.000 And it's not a very large spot, but in this one place...
01:33:26.000 Yeah, there it is.
01:33:30.000 It's really fucking awesome, though. 0.87
01:33:31.000 Oh, that must be it. 0.94
01:33:32.000 Yeah.
01:33:35.000 See if they get some good images of how big these things are.
01:33:38.000 You can't really tell.
01:33:39.000 They just look like, oh, ew, you're watching sex. 0.97
01:33:42.000 I'm watching them bang. 0.98
01:33:43.000 Go to the second one.
01:33:44.000 Not that one, but go back to that page.
01:33:47.000 The second one.
01:33:48.000 Relentless Enemies.
01:33:49.000 Lions and Buffalo.
01:33:50.000 This is the one.
01:33:51.000 So this is the actual documentary.
01:33:54.000 And there's also a pride of lions that are regular sized on this island, too, which is really confusing to biologists. 0.99
01:34:00.000 They're like, well, what the fuck? 0.98
01:34:03.000 Can't really tell here. 1.00
01:34:04.000 Yeah.
01:34:06.000 But see how jacked these females are? 1.00
01:34:10.000 Yeah.
01:34:10.000 It's tough to tell here, but here they're trying to take out this Cape buffalo.
01:34:14.000 Look at this.
01:34:14.000 This is crazy.
01:34:15.000 Yeah.
01:34:16.000 They're all piling on it.
01:34:17.000 Yeah.
01:34:18.000 But the females are much, much larger than a regular female. 1.00
01:34:21.000 It's pretty brutal.
01:34:23.000 Hey man, evolution. 1.00
01:34:24.000 It's fascinating shit. 0.99
01:34:25.000 Oh. 1.00
01:34:26.000 Watching things struggle to survive.
01:34:28.000 Yeah.
01:34:30.000 A heart out there for a pimp.
01:34:31.000 Death is never pretty.
01:34:32.000 No.
01:34:33.000 But the thing is, people would have a really hard time if a person was doing any of the things that lions do.
01:34:42.000 Yeah.
01:34:42.000 I mean, you would think that would be awful.
01:34:43.000 But do you have a hard time with lions doing the things that lions do?
01:34:47.000 You say no, because that's natural.
01:34:49.000 Yeah.
01:34:49.000 Okay, but do you realize the only reason why people even exist is because people did what lions do?
01:34:54.000 Yeah.
01:34:55.000 The difference is humans have compassion.
01:34:57.000 So, I mean, animals, they don't have time for compassion out there.
01:35:04.000 You know, I mean, it's a non-existent concept.
01:35:07.000 I put up this video on my Instagram.
01:35:08.000 The zebra had just, zebra foal had just been dropped.
01:35:13.000 It was Just barely standing wobbly legs this lion big male lion walks up to it kills it like It'd been alive minutes.
01:35:23.000 Yeah, I saw that video.
01:35:24.000 That's life that bummed me out But not as much as the one where you you had was it a moose calf or an elk calf?
01:35:30.000 The bear was eating alive and it's screaming out and its mother is just a few feet away Trying to figure out what to do and that grizzly just tearing it apart.
01:35:38.000 That sucked.
01:35:39.000 But meanwhile, that's what they do If you don't control the populations of grizzlies, that happens all the time.
01:35:45.000 And even today, right now, with just the populations as they exist right now, in places like Alberta, they estimate that 50% of all moose, elk, and deer calves are killed, or fawns, are killed.
01:35:59.000 By bears.
01:36:00.000 They just tear them apart.
01:36:02.000 Half of them.
01:36:03.000 And that's what happened up in British Columbia, because they did that.
01:36:06.000 They did a vote in Vancouver, essentially, to vote on whether grizzly hunting should be allowed.
01:36:12.000 Of course, people in the city, just like here, don't think there are hardly any grizzlies left.
01:36:18.000 So they said no.
01:36:19.000 And so the new, I can't remember what the political parties called, but the one in control now said grizzly hunting is no longer socially acceptable.
01:36:29.000 And so they can't hunt them.
01:36:31.000 And you'll see what's going to happen with the other animals.
01:36:34.000 Well, they're going to have to hunt them, but they're going to hire people to hunt them.
01:36:37.000 What happens in those situations is what happens in California when it comes to mountain lions, and they still get hunted, but they get hunted in a very hush-hush way.
01:36:46.000 They hire assassins to go after these lions and kill dogs and cats and, you know, scare the shit out of joggers. 0.98
01:36:52.000 And that's what they're gonna have to do to bears. 0.97
01:36:54.000 The problem with that hunt...
01:36:57.000 Vote was, the way it was explained, Grady Bowman did a podcast about it, and what they were explaining was that it was a very small percentage of people that even voted on this.
01:37:09.000 Yeah.
01:37:09.000 I mean, it was like just a few thousand people voted on it, and most people were unaware of the consequences.
01:37:14.000 Oh.
01:37:14.000 That there needs to be a balance of these bears and these animals, otherwise the animals are going to get decimated and the bears are going to encroach on human populations.
01:37:22.000 Right.
01:37:24.000 These bears, there's been this whole business of guiding and outfitting for these bears, and the biologists are not talking to the people that are actually in the woods, on the ground, about the population numbers.
01:37:39.000 If you talk to people like my friend Mike Hawkridge, who lives up there, he'll tell you there's a lot of bears.
01:37:45.000 There's a large population of grizzly bears, and it's very difficult to determine what the actual population is if they're not listening to the people that are on the ground every day.
01:37:54.000 Yeah.
01:37:55.000 You got to listen to people that are in boots on the ground.
01:37:59.000 And when you have a vote on something like this, no one's taken into consideration these things.
01:38:04.000 Like, you're just going, bears.
01:38:05.000 Oh, why would you kill a bear?
01:38:06.000 They're amazing.
01:38:06.000 Yeah.
01:38:07.000 You know, I love bears.
01:38:09.000 I love bears. 1.00
01:38:10.000 The anthropomorphization of animals is one of the more dangerous things that people have done with civilization where we've decided that animals are like us, they're our friends, they wear baseball hats and fucking ties. 0.99
01:38:23.000 It's just weird. 0.98
01:38:25.000 And we do it from the time kids are little.
01:38:28.000 You know, you give them a teddy bear and then, you know, you tell them, oh, you don't kill real bears, do you?
01:38:34.000 Like, real bears are going to kill you.
01:38:36.000 Do you understand what a bear is?
01:38:37.000 Yeah.
01:38:37.000 Like, a bear is that thing with that guy in India.
01:38:40.000 That's a bear.
01:38:40.000 It's a monster.
01:38:41.000 I mean, it's an awesome monster.
01:38:43.000 I'm glad they're real.
01:38:44.000 Yeah, me too.
01:38:45.000 And bear meat is delicious.
01:38:47.000 It is.
01:38:48.000 And that's the other thing.
01:38:48.000 It's like people think that somehow or another you can't eat bears.
01:38:51.000 Like people get mad at you for killing a bear, but they won't get mad at you for killing a pig because pigs are ugly.
01:39:00.000 Wild pigs are one of those one animals where vegans and animal rights activists don't have an answer to.
01:39:07.000 They don't like seeing people shooting them out of helicopters.
01:39:10.000 They don't like seeing people hunting them.
01:39:12.000 But if you looked at the actual numbers, I would love to sit down, have someone from PETA or any animal rights activist group sit down with someone who really understands the wild pig infestation problem. 0.96
01:39:24.000 The invasive species that doesn't have a natural predator that breeds three to four times a year and can have as many as six to eight piglets in its litter, and they're just fucking like there's no tomorrow.
01:39:37.000 And they're having tons of them, and they're just destroying billions of dollars in crops every year.
01:39:42.000 What do you do about that?
01:39:43.000 What are you going to do?
01:39:44.000 Tell me what to do, animal ride people.
01:39:46.000 They don't think about it because this is not a balanced, nuanced, objective approach.
01:39:52.000 They haven't looked at this whole thing.
01:39:54.000 What they've decided is that killing sentient beings is bad.
01:39:59.000 Speciesism is bad.
01:40:00.000 You know that one, speciesism?
01:40:02.000 I do.
01:40:03.000 I'm a speciesist.
01:40:05.000 God.
01:40:06.000 Everybody is when it comes to bugs.
01:40:09.000 It's a fact.
01:40:10.000 Everybody is at Subway.
01:40:11.000 Hey, you want some bacon on that?
01:40:12.000 Yeah, throw some bacon on there. 0.99
01:40:15.000 That's if you eat at Subway, bro.
01:40:17.000 Everybody doesn't eat at Subway.
01:40:19.000 Vegans don't eat at Subway.
01:40:21.000 Vegans at what?
01:40:22.000 3%?
01:40:23.000 Yeah.
01:40:24.000 What is the number of vegans?
01:40:25.000 What's the percentage?
01:40:27.000 3%. 1.00
01:40:27.000 What's the percentage of vegans that are cunts? 1.00
01:40:30.000 I almost said 100. I almost said 100, but not Wesley Town. 0.99
01:40:35.000 No.
01:40:35.000 I know a lot of cool vegans.
01:40:36.000 Yeah, me too.
01:40:38.000 Ian Edwards.
01:40:39.000 Oh, right.
01:40:40.000 Ian Edwards is one of my best friends.
01:40:41.000 Yeah.
01:40:41.000 He's a vegan.
01:40:43.000 So there's two.
01:40:44.000 Yeah.
01:40:44.000 No, I know a lot of cool vegans.
01:40:46.000 But there's a lot of vegans that are just super self-righteous.
01:40:49.000 Yeah.
01:40:49.000 Once they're on that team, they're super self-righteous.
01:40:51.000 Yeah.
01:40:51.000 And ask them how much time they have in the woods.
01:40:54.000 Yeah.
01:40:54.000 Not much.
01:40:55.000 Hey, man, how much time you have around bears?
01:40:57.000 How much time you have?
01:40:58.000 Yeah.
01:40:59.000 Got a lot of time in the woods?
01:41:01.000 To form that opinion.
01:41:03.000 Do you really understand?
01:41:04.000 Have you ever come across a bear tearing apart a cub?
01:41:08.000 Or killing a calf elk.
01:41:12.000 It's constantly happening.
01:41:13.000 When I put that up, I don't even like to watch it.
01:41:16.000 I'm a hunter.
01:41:17.000 I've killed a lot of animals.
01:41:19.000 I don't like to watch it, but we have to show it.
01:41:22.000 How do you think they feel about animals killing animals?
01:41:25.000 Do you think they feel it's okay because it's natural?
01:41:30.000 I don't know what they think.
01:41:31.000 I wonder if it's just a convenient thing that they just look past.
01:41:34.000 La la la, not listening, la la la la.
01:41:36.000 I think that's probably mostly what it is.
01:41:38.000 Yeah, because if they really did want to, like, what is more beautiful?
01:41:43.000 Well, that's subjective.
01:41:45.000 What's more beautiful, a deer or a bear?
01:41:47.000 I don't know, but I do know that one doesn't eat the other.
01:41:51.000 Deers don't eat bears.
01:41:52.000 So I feel like if you felt like they were both equally beautiful, you'd want to protect the deer from the bear.
01:42:00.000 Man, I don't know.
01:42:02.000 I know as a hunter, people always ask me, what do you enjoy hunting the most?
01:42:06.000 It's whatever I'm hunting.
01:42:09.000 I respect and I'm drawn to all the...
01:42:12.000 I like being close to all the animals.
01:42:16.000 I have a hard time rating them, personally.
01:42:20.000 Well, for me, I just like the ones that are delicious.
01:42:26.000 And they're all pretty delicious.
01:42:27.000 They are.
01:42:28.000 The ones that we hunt.
01:42:29.000 Yeah, they are.
01:42:30.000 The variety of it. 0.99
01:42:31.000 I just like the fact, too, that I'm not getting meat from some fucking factory farm. 0.99
01:42:35.000 Yeah. 1.00
01:42:35.000 The people that are getting meat from the store and from Burger King that are still shitting on hunters and saying you got a little dick, like, you're being silly. 1.00
01:42:42.000 Come on. 1.00
01:42:43.000 You're being silly. 0.99
01:42:44.000 No, I know, but I'm getting so... 0.98
01:42:45.000 We've talked about this every single time, but the number of people reaching out is growing...
01:42:52.000 Exponentially, daily, on who wants to be a hunter, who wants to provide for themselves and their family, and really sees the draw to that, and that is the natural way.
01:43:04.000 It's every day.
01:43:06.000 It's also the concern people have, and the real good concern, for getting food that hasn't been tainted with antibiotics and hormones.
01:43:14.000 Yeah.
01:43:15.000 Getting natural food.
01:43:16.000 There's no more natural organic food than an animal that is literally living in the wild until you take it out.
01:43:22.000 They don't even know you're there until that arrow hits them.
01:43:25.000 The most perfect life up until that time, generally.
01:43:29.000 It's the way it's meant to be, really.
01:43:33.000 Humans have hunted up until very recently.
01:43:37.000 That's for most of our existence.
01:43:40.000 Would you like to take Kanye hunting?
01:43:43.000 I'll take anybody hunting.
01:43:44.000 Would you take Kanye?
01:43:45.000 What would you take him?
01:43:47.000 Bear hunting?
01:43:48.000 I'd take him bear.
01:43:49.000 Bear is good because, you know, it's like when your first bow hunt was bear, just because it's pretty controlled.
01:43:58.000 There's a lot of bear.
01:44:00.000 You can go on some of these hunts, and if you went on an axis deer hunt for your first hunt...
01:44:05.000 You quit.
01:44:05.000 That's tough.
01:44:06.000 You quit.
01:44:07.000 So with bear, I think it's a good first hunt, and then I like being able to explain why we're bear hunting.
01:44:14.000 The bear we're looking for, we're looking for the big old male.
01:44:17.000 Here's how you identify it.
01:44:18.000 I like being right there.
01:44:19.000 So if I took Kanye hunting, it would be bear hunting.
01:44:26.000 Do you think he would be able to do it?
01:44:29.000 I don't know him.
01:44:30.000 I mean, he seems crazy, but I don't know.
01:44:33.000 Is Kanye out there bear hunting?
01:44:35.000 He just bought like 300 acres in Wyoming, so maybe he might be into it.
01:44:38.000 Kanye bought 300 acres in Wyoming?
01:44:40.000 He's probably gonna build a sneaker factory out there.
01:44:43.000 That's a good-looking country right there.
01:44:45.000 That's gorgeous.
01:44:46.000 No.
01:44:47.000 Why did he buy 300 acres in Wyoming?
01:44:48.000 That's where he's finishing his album right now.
01:44:50.000 I think he recorded part of it.
01:44:52.000 Here we go with the album again.
01:44:54.000 But I mean, hey, I'm telling you, it's all part of it.
01:44:55.000 Do you work for Kanye?
01:44:56.000 No.
01:44:57.000 Tell me the truth.
01:44:58.000 I do not.
01:44:59.000 Jimmy's...
01:45:00.000 Jamie's got a side job.
01:45:02.000 He's also apparently building, in the interview he talks about, I think he's building some houses or something out there.
01:45:08.000 Can you imagine Kim Kardashian wandering around Wyoming? 0.99
01:45:13.000 That's when people are going to really want to get rid of the bear population, because Wyoming's got some fucking grizzlies. 0.99
01:45:18.000 Imagine if the grizzly bears take out the Kardashians. 0.99
01:45:21.000 Well, I think, you know, I think people like...
01:45:23.000 Why are you laughing, Jamie?
01:45:26.000 That's terrible! 1.00
01:45:29.000 Why is it stupid? 1.00
01:45:30.000 He's in Wyoming. 1.00
01:45:31.000 But he's in Wyoming.
01:45:33.000 Think about the album sales.
01:45:35.000 Go crazy.
01:45:36.000 Yeah, if you covered her with beef fat. 0.99
01:45:40.000 Send her out there in the woods. 1.00
01:45:43.000 I think people like Kanye, and I don't know about Kim, but man, archery is a discipline people need.
01:45:51.000 They need some discipline.
01:45:53.000 I think archery can be It can be powerful.
01:45:56.000 You know, I had sent you that quote, I think, yesterday about there's things you do in your life where there's before you did them and after you did them.
01:46:04.000 And there's a definitive line right there.
01:46:06.000 I think archery can be a line like that where everything was before and now everything after and it's that powerful.
01:46:12.000 Well, I think difficult things are important for people to do.
01:46:15.000 You know, I mean, I think challenges are extremely important.
01:46:18.000 If you don't have a challenge in your life, the human mind, you know, we were talking about Idle time being the devil's playground.
01:46:26.000 The human mind needs challenges.
01:46:29.000 You need something that's stimulating and intriguing to you.
01:46:33.000 And bow hunting is insanely difficult.
01:46:36.000 Archery.
01:46:37.000 Forget about bow hunting.
01:46:37.000 You just want to eat vegetables all day.
01:46:39.000 Archery is insanely difficult.
01:46:43.000 And it's something that requires concentration on all these different levels.
01:46:47.000 Like mental concentration, you have to focus on your posture and your form and make sure that everything's right, your timing, the release of the shot is right.
01:46:55.000 All that stuff requires so much of your focus and so much thought that it cleans your mind.
01:47:02.000 It cleans your mind of all these other things. 0.98
01:47:04.000 All the bullshit and the life stress goes away. 0.90
01:47:06.000 When that arrow flies through the air and hits that bullseye, like it feels amazing. 0.98
01:47:11.000 That's one.
01:47:13.000 I had a lot of respect for Ryan Zinke when I went back there to D.C. because I took him with Bo back there and there's a huge group of people standing around.
01:47:21.000 He's shooting An arrow at a small target in a gymnasium.
01:47:26.000 And, you know, I mean, you're putting yourself out there because there's no guarantee you're going to be very good with the bow.
01:47:31.000 Well, he doesn't have experience with it, right?
01:47:33.000 No, no, especially not with that bow.
01:47:35.000 I think he shot one at the Western Hunting Expo, but I saw him shooting in the air like the arrow was lined up like you're shooting, you know, down his eye instead of with a sight.
01:47:45.000 That's how they used to do it, right?
01:47:46.000 I saw some old pictures of Ted Nugent.
01:47:49.000 He used to shoot a compound bow without a release.
01:47:53.000 Oh, without.
01:47:54.000 Well, I don't know if he used a release, but I know that he didn't have a sight.
01:47:57.000 Right.
01:47:58.000 And he was looking down the shaft of the arrow, like a guy would do with a recurve bow.
01:48:04.000 Well, that's not.
01:48:05.000 No, not that one.
01:48:06.000 That's in a good position.
01:48:07.000 Maybe that one right there. 0.53
01:48:09.000 That's a little more.
01:48:10.000 That's a little more.
01:48:11.000 Yeah.
01:48:12.000 Well, that's it.
01:48:13.000 Well, that's a recurve, I think, isn't it?
01:48:15.000 It's hard to tell because you're only looking at the top of the riser.
01:48:19.000 Is that a recurve?
01:48:20.000 I can't tell.
01:48:21.000 I can't tell.
01:48:24.000 It says that?
01:48:25.000 Yeah. 1.00
01:48:26.000 Ted Nugent is an irresponsible idiot. 1.00
01:48:29.000 Oh, God. 1.00
01:48:31.000 Amy, why'd you pull that one out?
01:48:33.000 Silicone Cowboy's blog.
01:48:36.000 Well, he's also got the bow canted sideways, too.
01:48:39.000 Yeah.
01:48:40.000 Yeah, that's sort of how you do that.
01:48:42.000 Yeah, see right there.
01:48:43.000 Well, that's...
01:48:44.000 He's got no sight on his bow there.
01:48:46.000 No sight.
01:48:46.000 Yeah.
01:48:46.000 He's looking down the arrow.
01:48:48.000 That's how he used to hunt.
01:48:50.000 Yeah.
01:48:50.000 He used to shoot with a tiny little stabilizer, no sight, and shoot instinctive.
01:48:55.000 Yeah.
01:48:55.000 And they switched it up a few years back and started shooting with sights.
01:48:59.000 With sights, yeah.
01:49:00.000 But, you know...
01:49:01.000 So anyway, Zinke was there, put himself out there.
01:49:07.000 Yeah, if he hit the floor and it ricocheted off of the crowd, stabbed somebody in the eye.
01:49:11.000 Right.
01:49:12.000 And so I respected that.
01:49:14.000 You're taking a chance.
01:49:16.000 And I just think that stuff like that is good for people.
01:49:19.000 So, you know, Kanye included. 0.80
01:49:22.000 Man, if you want to shoot a few arrows and kill a bear, I'll go. 0.94
01:49:26.000 He doesn't have time for that, man. 0.96
01:49:27.000 He's revolutionizing fashion.
01:49:29.000 Fashion?
01:49:30.000 He's going to get people to wear dresses.
01:49:31.000 Men are going to wear dresses soon because of Kanye. 0.94
01:49:33.000 That's what Jamie was telling me.
01:49:34.000 Serious?
01:49:34.000 Yeah.
01:49:35.000 Kanye's going to start wearing dresses and then other people are going to join in.
01:49:38.000 Yeah.
01:49:38.000 And he's selling flip-flops and the bottom look like mountain boots.
01:49:42.000 Slides.
01:49:43.000 Slides? 0.98
01:49:43.000 What? 0.98
01:49:44.000 Is this all true?
01:49:45.000 Yeah.
01:49:46.000 The dresses?
01:49:47.000 I don't know about the dress part.
01:49:48.000 If you want to have your finger on the pulse of what's going on today with the kids, you got to talk to young Jamie Vernon.
01:49:55.000 God, that's amazing. 0.99
01:49:58.000 He's my go-to liaison for what the fuck these kids are up to. 0.99
01:50:02.000 Yeah. 1.00
01:50:02.000 I'm a 50-year-old man. 1.00
01:50:03.000 I don't know what the fuck's happening. 0.99
01:50:04.000 It's hard to pay attention to. 0.99
01:50:05.000 It's hard to pay attention to everything.
01:50:07.000 That's for sure.
01:50:08.000 I go to Young Jamie.
01:50:10.000 Yeah, that's true.
01:50:11.000 I'm busy.
01:50:11.000 I can't keep up with everything.
01:50:13.000 Plus, you're off social media now.
01:50:15.000 Well, I'm not off it.
01:50:16.000 I posted twice today.
01:50:18.000 Did you think about getting the flip phone instead?
01:50:20.000 No.
01:50:21.000 No, I have discipline.
01:50:23.000 I'm not like Ari Shafir.
01:50:24.000 You heard me, Ari. 0.99
01:50:25.000 He's got no fucking discipline. 0.99
01:50:27.000 Is that right? 1.00
01:50:27.000 Yeah, I mean, he talks about it. 1.00
01:50:29.000 If he gets his phone in his hand, he's like, I can't.
01:50:32.000 He goes, I'll be late for everything.
01:50:34.000 I'll be like 20 minutes late.
01:50:35.000 I sit down and I can't get off.
01:50:38.000 He goes, I'm powerless.
01:50:39.000 I'm like, wow, that's crazy.
01:50:41.000 I don't get that.
01:50:42.000 That's not good.
01:50:43.000 But I do know that not thinking about that stuff for three days made me feel better.
01:50:48.000 It was like a cleanse.
01:50:50.000 Yeah.
01:50:51.000 I think ultimately, there's a tremendous amount of pressure in being in the public eye.
01:50:57.000 Whether you're in the public eye on social media or public eye doing a podcast or anything like that.
01:51:03.000 So, for me, doing nothing but bow hunting for six days was a...
01:51:10.000 It was a very difficult release.
01:51:13.000 Yeah.
01:51:13.000 In that difficult, in a difficult task.
01:51:16.000 Not difficult, like, I needed to go back to it quickly.
01:51:19.000 Difficult in that, like, bowhunting is hard to do.
01:51:22.000 So, in doing that thing and concentrating on that thing only, I wasn't thinking at all about, like, Twitter or... 1.00
01:51:30.000 You weren't distracted by stupid shit. 1.00
01:51:31.000 Or the news. 1.00
01:51:32.000 No, what I liked, that last day, it was, um...
01:51:38.000 I loved, let's see, so I killed a buck earlier in the day.
01:51:43.000 You guys had been on some stocks.
01:51:46.000 You came, drove down, loaded the buck up, took it to Bob the Butcher.
01:51:53.000 So it was, I think, later in the morning, normally when it'd be like, okay, let's go get something to eat.
01:51:58.000 We'll regroup and come back in the afternoon.
01:52:01.000 But you were like, no, I want to keep hunting.
01:52:04.000 You know, you were just so tunnel vision focused on hunting.
01:52:08.000 And it was so, I was like, I was so excited.
01:52:11.000 So we were out there and it was getting hot by this time.
01:52:15.000 And we're just finding deer, glassing deer, putting together these stocks.
01:52:19.000 And it was just like, it was seriously one of, I sound stupid to say the best day of my life, but I mean, that's a perfect day for me. 0.53
01:52:29.000 It was fun. 0.94
01:52:30.000 You guys went down on that stock, you and Alec, and I found that bedded buck by himself, the wide buck.
01:52:38.000 And it was just like, man, what a great day.
01:52:41.000 It was an awesome day, and that's how I would have done it if my family wasn't there.
01:52:43.000 I would have just been doing it all day.
01:52:45.000 I wouldn't have come back.
01:52:46.000 I would have just brought some snacks and water and stayed out.
01:52:49.000 That's what I'm there to do.
01:52:51.000 Like I said, it's like a cleanse.
01:52:55.000 There's something about the difficulty of it, especially when I was doing it by myself.
01:53:01.000 There was a time for a while where I was stalking on this buck by myself, without Alec, without anybody, and I'm like, this is like, it's such a singular focus.
01:53:10.000 You're thinking about one thing, you're just checking the wind, checking your range, trying to close it on him, putting bushes in between you and him so he can't see you, creeping, trying to, and it's...
01:53:22.000 There's something about that that's so primal.
01:53:26.000 It just resonates with your DNA. There's something about it where if you get one of those animals and then as you're eating it, you're going to remember that moment forever.
01:53:36.000 I think so.
01:53:37.000 It's not just like getting something from a restaurant or from the grocery store.
01:53:42.000 You're eating something that has...
01:53:44.000 It's got a connection.
01:53:44.000 You have a massive connection to it.
01:53:47.000 Yeah, and I videoed a little bit on that deer I killed that day, and I put it on my Instagram story, just little clips about where I was, where the buck was, kind of the strategy, taking off my boots and all that.
01:53:59.000 And so many people sent messages saying that that was fascinating.
01:54:02.000 And I'm like, man.
01:54:04.000 Is that still up?
01:54:05.000 How long does the Instagram story stay up?
01:54:08.000 No, but I saved it on the highlights.
01:54:11.000 Oh.
01:54:11.000 Oh, that one you saved?
01:54:12.000 What is it listed under?
01:54:14.000 It says Axa Stock.
01:54:15.000 Oh, that's badass.
01:54:16.000 Yeah, so people can check it out.
01:54:18.000 And it's just like, I was reading the comments and reading the messages and people saying how fascinating it was and how educational.
01:54:26.000 And I'm like...
01:54:27.000 On one hand, I'm like, that's awesome.
01:54:29.000 On another hand, it made me feel bad for them because I've done that so many times.
01:54:35.000 And it's powerful and it feels like the way it should be.
01:54:40.000 But I feel bad for people who haven't experienced that.
01:54:43.000 So I feel good for you now that you're in that.
01:54:45.000 But the people sending me messages, I'm like, I would love to almost be able to share that with them somehow.
01:54:53.000 I mean, that's as good as I can do right now.
01:54:55.000 That's one of the hardest things for people is to get in it.
01:54:58.000 To get started.
01:54:59.000 Yeah.
01:54:59.000 Yeah, because it's like the learning curve.
01:55:01.000 That's what I was going to ask you.
01:55:04.000 You've been bowhunting now.
01:55:05.000 What was that first bowhunt we went on?
01:55:07.000 What year was that?
01:55:09.000 2013 or 14?
01:55:13.000 14?
01:55:14.000 So four years?
01:55:15.000 Something like that.
01:55:17.000 Yeah.
01:55:18.000 Yeah, so four years, and it's, I don't know, what's changed from that first year to this year for you?
01:55:28.000 I mean, Experience, for sure.
01:55:30.000 Yeah.
01:55:31.000 Having more hunts under my belt, understanding how little I really know.
01:55:35.000 It's like one of those things...
01:55:36.000 There's a great expression, I think, from Dennis McKenna, that once the bonfire of understanding grows, the surface area of ignorance is revealed.
01:55:49.000 Right, right.
01:55:49.000 The bigger the bonfire, the more you realize...
01:55:51.000 The more you understand, the more you realize how much there is to learn.
01:55:55.000 Right.
01:55:55.000 That's one of the things about hunting.
01:55:57.000 With each experience...
01:55:58.000 Especially something like lanai, which is so it's so difficult.
01:56:02.000 It's like The most difficult, at least what I've experienced in my short amount of time doing it, the most difficult kind of hunting. 0.98
01:56:11.000 Spot and stalking things that are just fucking wired. 0.96
01:56:14.000 Super pressured. 0.98
01:56:16.000 The stalk is the most difficult.
01:56:19.000 If you have to backpack in the mountains, that's a different kind.
01:56:24.000 The stalk of these and getting in bow range and making the shot, it's almost as hard as it gets on the animals that I've hunted.
01:56:31.000 There's some antelope in Africa that are just as quick.
01:56:35.000 Backpack hunting is probably the hardest physically, right?
01:56:38.000 Right.
01:56:38.000 I mean, that's a whole different challenge and a whole different knowledge base that you'd have to delve into.
01:56:46.000 But as far as stalking and getting those killed with the bow, these axis deer, you're right. 0.98
01:56:52.000 Also, I would imagine that backpack hunting in the mountains is also more mentally taxing, because you can't just go back to the cabin.
01:57:01.000 You can't just go back to the lodge.
01:57:02.000 You're out there in a tent, and you're 20 miles in, and if you break your ankle, you're going to die.
01:57:08.000 Yeah.
01:57:08.000 Yep.
01:57:09.000 Or you have to tape that thing up and crawl out of there.
01:57:11.000 It's a little better now, because people have way more access than when I started when I was there was this, you would have to get to the top of the mountain even get barely cell phone service if that was even possible.
01:57:22.000 But now, you know, there's a lot of light phone.
01:57:24.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:57:25.000 A lot of people have access to which, which is nice.
01:57:28.000 Yeah, still, it's, it's, it's intimidating for a lot of people.
01:57:32.000 Yeah, the barrier for entry is very high.
01:57:34.000 It's very hard to get started and I'm just really lucky that I got started because of a podcast.
01:57:39.000 I got to meet Ronella and got into hunting and then got to meet you and then got into archery and bow hunting and all that stuff.
01:57:46.000 But for someone on the outside that's looking in, it's extremely difficult.
01:57:52.000 No, but here's what you do.
01:57:53.000 You go to a archery pro shop.
01:57:56.000 Most people have those.
01:57:57.000 I know there's one down here in San Diego, performance archery.
01:58:00.000 I met Scott Eastwood at one in Riverside, and I think it's called Riverside Archery.
01:58:06.000 Back home, it's a bow rack, but there's these pro shops that that's what they do every day.
01:58:10.000 So the key with any hunting, any archery hunting you're going to do is shooting that bow and shooting it consistently, getting those reps in.
01:58:18.000 And that's where, you know, you can't control the experience you get, you know, that kind of comes slowly, but like what you've taken control of is the repetition and the discipline with shooting an arrow and doing it accurately.
01:58:32.000 So once you control that part of it, The hunting experience is going to come, the stock experience, the learning the animals, that's going to come.
01:58:39.000 But at least when you get that opportunity, you'll be able to make the shot.
01:58:42.000 So for new people who are interested, get to an archery pro shop, get set up with the good bow, learn how to shoot correctly, and do it a lot.
01:58:50.000 And then you branch out and set up the hunts.
01:58:53.000 It's just so difficult to execute a shot on an animal.
01:58:58.000 Yeah, way different.
01:59:00.000 People don't have any idea how much anxiety and how much adrenaline is pumping through your system when you're drawn back on an animal.
01:59:09.000 The consequences are so grave.
01:59:12.000 Everything is so high stakes.
01:59:15.000 It's just...
01:59:16.000 And you only get this one shot.
01:59:18.000 Like, here it is.
01:59:18.000 And especially, say, if you're on a backcountry hunt, you go 20 miles in, there's a 190-inch mule deer just standing there, and he's feeding, and you get this one shot.
01:59:28.000 This is your one shot.
01:59:30.000 You haven't seen a deer in six days. 0.95
01:59:32.000 And you finally see a deer, and you draw back, and your arms are shaking, and you're just trying to go through your shot process without flinching and fucking panicking and just slamming that trigger like it's a People want a shortcut, and I was the same way. 0.52
01:59:49.000 I've been on hunts like that. 0.68
01:59:50.000 I've been on...
01:59:51.000 Nate Simmons filmed me on a hunt where I was in the Eagle Cap Wilderness, and I don't...
01:59:56.000 I'm trying to...
01:59:57.000 I'm trying to think if...
01:59:59.000 Yeah, we didn't see...
02:00:01.000 God, I want to say we didn't see an elk for something like six days...
02:00:07.000 I killed a buck on day seven, I think, and a bull on day eight.
02:00:12.000 But there was a long time in there where it was like, what are we doing?
02:00:17.000 So it's really easy when you finally do get that opportunity to want to shortcut from seeing it to holding the antlers in your hands and being successful.
02:00:27.000 Right.
02:00:27.000 And that's where people rush it.
02:00:28.000 They get back and they just want to get that arrow on its way.
02:00:31.000 Anxiety.
02:00:32.000 Because the sooner an arrow can be going towards that animal, they feel like the closer they are to holding that animal, to making a good shot.
02:00:38.000 But, man, you still have to go if you can't skip a step.
02:00:42.000 Anxiety is a crazy thing, man.
02:00:44.000 Yeah.
02:00:45.000 It's a crazy thing.
02:00:46.000 It's like that adrenaline and the feeling of discomfort is like this uncertainty feeling.
02:00:54.000 It's just very hard for people to handle.
02:00:56.000 But that's with the case of anything where you have to perform, anything where it's difficult to do, where you're just like, oh my god, is it happening?
02:01:03.000 It's happening right now?
02:01:04.000 Wow!
02:01:04.000 Yeah, I know.
02:01:06.000 The brain is so, it's wired with all these different chemicals that are excreted when that moment's happening.
02:01:13.000 When there's this final event.
02:01:17.000 This is it.
02:01:18.000 Here it is.
02:01:19.000 Oh my god.
02:01:20.000 Ready, action.
02:01:21.000 That's where I think...
02:01:23.000 I think you told me...
02:01:38.000 I'm always trying to get into the heads of other hunters and just want to know what the thought process is.
02:01:45.000 But I think you told me that when you're in bow range of that buck right out of the gate early in the hunt, didn't you take a few deep breaths and relax?
02:01:53.000 Did you say that?
02:01:54.000 Yeah.
02:01:58.000 They're tense.
02:01:59.000 They're tense because there's so much going on.
02:02:01.000 They never relax, and that shot is just not going to be accurate.
02:02:05.000 But when you can relax, and then just like in your backyard, you come, you focus, you're just as calm as you've done a thousand times, and you can pick that spot, level that bubble, and slowly squeeze that trigger, that's when it works.
02:02:18.000 That's super hard to do.
02:02:20.000 Well, it was happening so fast.
02:02:24.000 Before we knew it, we kicked our shoes off, and we were walking with socks on, just creeping through the grass, and we got to 45 yards, and he's like, do you want to get closer?
02:02:35.000 I'm like, this is perfect.
02:02:36.000 Stop right here.
02:02:37.000 I'm like, I got it.
02:02:38.000 And I just went, just took a couple of deep ones, and it was feeding, and then I'm like, okay, I know what to do.
02:02:46.000 I just did it. 0.99
02:02:47.000 And when the whack, when I heard the impact of the arrow, I was like, holy shit. 0.99
02:02:52.000 There it is. 0.99
02:02:53.000 Yeah.
02:02:53.000 Yeah.
02:02:54.000 That was a perfect execution.
02:02:56.000 Yeah.
02:02:56.000 It's a weird feeling, man.
02:02:58.000 When it's like, did that really happen?
02:03:00.000 Did that really happen?
02:03:01.000 Then we're standing over the...
02:03:02.000 And then I sent you a picture of it.
02:03:03.000 And I said, boom.
02:03:04.000 Yeah.
02:03:05.000 And that was...
02:03:06.000 I say perfect execution, not of killing the animal, of the shot.
02:03:10.000 It was a perfect execution of the shot.
02:03:12.000 I'm not saying we're executing animals.
02:03:14.000 That's what people don't understand.
02:03:15.000 It's hard to do.
02:03:16.000 It's not...
02:03:18.000 There's so much physical action involved in pulling a bow back and being in perfect position and making sure you're not torquing the bow and leveling the bubble on the sight and pulling with the back muscles and making sure everything's in line and there's no flinching or extra movement and you're concentrating on the exact spot you want that arrow to hit as the thing's releasing,
02:03:41.000 all under extreme anxiety and pressure and this thing, is it moving?
02:03:45.000 Is it going to keep walking?
02:03:46.000 What's going to happen?
02:03:48.000 There's so much involved, but the feeling when it's over, the relief, and then knowing that I'm going to have this organic meat that is the most delicious meat in the world, and I'm going to be cooking, and I can't wait to cook it.
02:03:58.000 I haven't cooked any of it, but I can't wait.
02:04:01.000 I'm going to cook some tonight.
02:04:03.000 Yeah.
02:04:03.000 Well, I mean, I think it's a powerful experience for almost anybody.
02:04:08.000 And it's one that I know not everybody can hunt.
02:04:10.000 Not everybody who listens to this is probably ever going to hunt.
02:04:13.000 But those that do will understand, you know, and it's not always going to be comfortable.
02:04:17.000 It's not always killing animals.
02:04:20.000 People aren't going to have warm and fuzzy feelings about seeing an animal dead.
02:04:26.000 But there's something about taking responsibility for the meat that you're eating.
02:04:31.000 And that's going to be, I don't know if relief is the right word, but it's just a connection that I think it's going to make more sense.
02:04:41.000 Well, one thing that confuses people with you is when they find out that you run ultra marathons and you're working out all the time.
02:04:49.000 Like, why is he doing all that stuff?
02:04:50.000 You're like, well, I do that to be my very best when I'm in the mountains, when I'm hunting.
02:04:56.000 I've seen people go, what?
02:04:57.000 Like, wait a minute, wait a minute.
02:04:58.000 You work out every day.
02:05:00.000 You run twice a day.
02:05:02.000 You run ultra marathons to test yourself so that when you're hunting, you could be at your very best.
02:05:08.000 Yeah.
02:05:09.000 Yeah, that's right.
02:05:10.000 I don't think people understand how much it means to me.
02:05:14.000 I feel like I owe it to the animal to be at my best.
02:05:17.000 I feel like if the animal suffers longer than I believe it should, I don't like dealing with that.
02:05:29.000 So I feel like there's a weight of that on my shoulders where I need to be at my best as a hunter.
02:05:35.000 And to do that, I put in work.
02:05:37.000 I prepare every day. 0.99
02:05:39.000 And I just want to know that I'm going to be merciful when it comes time to kill the animal. 0.94
02:05:44.000 Well, you're also going to be in shape enough to get to position to get to the animal and have your heart rate drop down and out so that you can stay calm. 0.54
02:05:51.000 Yeah.
02:05:52.000 This is why you do so much cardio.
02:05:54.000 Yeah, yep.
02:05:55.000 And, you know, on this hunt, I felt all that worked out exactly how it was supposed to.
02:06:01.000 Very quick, clean deaths.
02:06:04.000 And then, you know, like in the buck that I killed just a couple days ago, that second buck, I was able to, you know, there's something about putting a dead animal on your shoulders and packing it out that, you know, it's just part of the process.
02:06:16.000 It just feels right.
02:06:18.000 Yeah, but for a lot of people, that seems so crazy.
02:06:22.000 Like, wait a minute, you run a marathon a day so that you could be in shape to go hunting?
02:06:27.000 Yeah.
02:06:28.000 Can't you just go hunting?
02:06:29.000 You can.
02:06:30.000 A lot of people do.
02:06:31.000 And I'm not here to judge anybody or tell somebody that they need to do what I do or they're doing it wrong.
02:06:37.000 I'm saying that's what people...
02:06:39.000 You know, hunting is such a personal journey.
02:06:41.000 You know, when people say maybe hunting is fun for some people.
02:06:45.000 Maybe... 0.97
02:06:46.000 For some people, it is fun to kill an animal. 0.82
02:06:49.000 I don't know.
02:06:50.000 For me, it's not.
02:06:51.000 And people said, oh, you can admit it.
02:06:53.000 It's fun.
02:06:53.000 I'm like, it's not fun.
02:06:55.000 I know what it means to me.
02:06:57.000 What it means to me is I need to be at my very best.
02:06:59.000 To be at my very best, I need to run a marathon a day.
02:07:02.000 I need to work harder than I've ever worked so I'm at the top of my game on the hunt.
02:07:07.000 I don't care what you think about that.
02:07:10.000 Or I don't care about your mindset.
02:07:12.000 I'm not talking about you.
02:07:13.000 I'm talking about me.
02:07:14.000 And people have a hard time with that.
02:07:16.000 Well, they have a hard time believing, first of all, that you run a marathon a day.
02:07:19.000 Even you saying that, I'm like, imagine if I didn't know this guy. 1.00
02:07:21.000 I'd be like, he's full of shit. 1.00
02:07:23.000 No one runs a fucking... 1.00
02:07:24.000 You run a marathon, you're supposed to take six months off and do nothing. 0.99
02:07:27.000 It's true.
02:07:28.000 Isn't that what they say?
02:07:29.000 Yeah, it's true.
02:07:30.000 You know, it's...
02:07:32.000 Man, you know, and it's not all at what time.
02:07:34.000 It's what I do is I get up in the morning, I'll get six miles done faster cardio.
02:07:40.000 And people then people also like to, to say why they don't do it is because well, I spend time with my family. 0.99
02:07:45.000 It's like, shut the fuck up. 0.99
02:07:47.000 I spend time with my family too. 0.99
02:07:49.000 So anyway, I get up while they're still sleeping, they're sleeping.
02:07:51.000 What am I supposed to do?
02:07:52.000 So just go lay in bed by them?
02:07:54.000 Wake them up.
02:07:55.000 I want to spend time with you.
02:07:57.000 Wake up, kids!
02:07:58.000 Yeah, so I go before anybody's up.
02:08:00.000 The second time I run is at lunch, and I've got to get out of the office.
02:08:03.000 I've got a regular 9-to-5 job.
02:08:06.000 Drives me insane because I'm meant to be in the mountains, but hey, I've got a job.
02:08:10.000 It's the best job I've ever had.
02:08:11.000 I want to do a good job for the company I work for.
02:08:14.000 I've been there 21 years, but to be at my best there, I need a break at lunch.
02:08:18.000 So I say...
02:08:20.000 They said, hey, do you want to be superintendent of the water department?
02:08:23.000 I'm like, yeah, I'll be superintendent, but I'm going to run every day at lunch.
02:08:27.000 And if they would have said, no, you can't do that.
02:08:29.000 I'm like, well, I'm not going to be superintendent then.
02:08:30.000 But they said, okay, yeah, you can do that.
02:08:32.000 I'm like, all right, I'll come in early.
02:08:33.000 I'll stay late.
02:08:34.000 We'll make it work.
02:08:36.000 So, that's my second one.
02:08:37.000 I can't spend time with my family at lunch.
02:08:39.000 They're not going to come to my work and sit in the lunchroom with me, so I go running.
02:08:44.000 And how far do you run at lunch?
02:08:45.000 At lunch, I'll try to get...
02:08:47.000 If I'm trying to get a marathon done a day...
02:08:52.000 I don't go to the mountain.
02:08:53.000 I just go flat and I get at least 13 done on lunch.
02:08:56.000 So you're at 19 before you even get home.
02:09:00.000 So then the last run of the day on my way home from work, I'll go to the mountain and I'll get that last 7 or 8 done.
02:09:08.000 Three free runs a day.
02:09:10.000 And that'll be a marathon a day. 1.00
02:09:12.000 That's a lot of fucking running. 0.99
02:09:13.000 No. 1.00
02:09:14.000 It's not?
02:09:15.000 No.
02:09:16.000 Well, it's not for you.
02:09:17.000 It feels fine.
02:09:18.000 I feel 100% healthy.
02:09:21.000 I don't feel banged up.
02:09:22.000 I don't feel anything.
02:09:25.000 That's the question I always get.
02:09:26.000 People say, well, how do you recover?
02:09:29.000 Why do you have so much muscle?
02:09:31.000 First of all, I weigh 170 pounds.
02:09:34.000 I don't have muscle everywhere, so I'm not big.
02:09:37.000 But I also eat meat all the time every day.
02:09:40.000 You talked about the lions and wherever with the river, and they were eating just buffalo, and they were jacked.
02:09:45.000 You've got to have protein.
02:09:46.000 So if you can run a marathon a day, if you're eating salad, you're going to weigh 140 pounds.
02:09:53.000 If you run a marathon a day and you're eating steak three times a day, you're going to retain some muscle.
02:09:58.000 So that's what I do.
02:09:59.000 I know what my body needs for calories, and I know when I'm at my best, it's when I have...
02:10:05.000 Excess calories to burn.
02:10:07.000 So that's what I do.
02:10:07.000 I make sure I'm eating non-stop.
02:10:09.000 But you're also lifting weights.
02:10:10.000 I do.
02:10:11.000 How do you have the time to do all this?
02:10:13.000 I'm like listening to the schedule. 0.96
02:10:14.000 I'm like, this is ridiculous. 1.00
02:10:15.000 And then you shoot your bow. 1.00
02:10:17.000 Yeah.
02:10:17.000 And then you hang out with your family.
02:10:18.000 Yeah. 1.00
02:10:19.000 What in the fuck, Cam Haynes? 1.00
02:10:20.000 The family time is about from... 1.00
02:10:24.000 Let's see, I'll get home at about 6.30 till about...
02:10:29.000 And then everybody will be going to bed at 10. So that's Fox News time.
02:10:34.000 Hanging out and, you know...
02:10:35.000 Fox News time! 0.99
02:10:36.000 Is that all you fucking watch is Fox News? 0.99
02:10:38.000 Well, in the evenings... 0.99
02:10:39.000 That's really what you watch at night.
02:10:41.000 We watch The Voice. 1.00
02:10:42.000 Goddamn these liberals. 1.00
02:10:44.000 We watch The Voice. 1.00
02:10:46.000 Luke's on the American...
02:10:47.000 Our own American Idol, Luke Bryan's on there.
02:10:49.000 So watch that a little bit sometimes.
02:10:51.000 My daughter, so that's what me and my daughter do.
02:10:53.000 She loves the voice.
02:10:56.000 And so it's fun.
02:10:57.000 It's fun to get into that.
02:10:59.000 So that's what I do.
02:11:00.000 And I can, if I'm just doing the close reps, like during the work week, It's generally just at my house, just, you know, 20 yards shooting my bow.
02:11:09.000 And that's, and it's just, and then when I'll lift on Monday, Wednesday, Friday, I lift right after work.
02:11:17.000 And I'll go outlaw strength and, you know, sometimes Nick, the trainer, dude, hammer it out, I'll stick it home at the same time.
02:11:24.000 So on those days, I'm not going to get a marathon done a day on those three days. 0.97
02:11:29.000 Do you feel like shit on those days because you didn't get your marathon in? 0.96
02:11:32.000 No, because lifting is hard. 0.99
02:11:34.000 Lifting is hard.
02:11:35.000 But in the back, I'll be honest, I'm not normal.
02:11:39.000 I get it. 0.89
02:11:41.000 But in the back of my mind, I'm thinking, I kind of suck a little bit because I didn't get a marathon done. 0.90
02:11:47.000 Pfft! 0.91
02:11:49.000 That is so crazy.
02:11:51.000 What are you thinking, like when you run an ultra, and just say if you run 100 miles or more, what kind of demons are going through your head when you're out there running?
02:12:01.000 I don't know what it is.
02:12:04.000 Like the Moab 240. You ran 238 miles in three days.
02:12:08.000 What were you thinking while you were at day two and a half?
02:12:12.000 What I'm thinking is I'm honoring myself by getting the absolute most out of my...
02:12:17.000 I don't think I've reached my limit.
02:12:19.000 I think if you're not getting the most out of your body, you're not taking advantage of your life.
02:12:27.000 You're not honoring your life.
02:12:29.000 So to me, I need to find what my limit is.
02:12:34.000 I can't halfway it.
02:12:36.000 I can't halfway it because I feel like then I'm not...
02:12:39.000 Man, that's not...
02:12:40.000 I don't know.
02:12:41.000 I can't live with myself if I don't feel like I have given everything that I have.
02:12:46.000 The weird thing about running is, as you run more, your capacity to run more increases.
02:12:53.000 So you realize, like, oh, the body has more capability than you think.
02:13:00.000 Because you just have to get it accustomed to this amount of work.
02:13:03.000 And then you just do it all the time, and then it gets used to it, and then it grows and expands.
02:13:08.000 And then your threshold and what your expectations are, they increase too. 0.97
02:13:13.000 So in the beginning, you were saying that when you first started running, like, running a 5K is like, holy shit, this is hard. 0.97
02:13:20.000 Or a 10K is brutal. 0.54
02:13:21.000 You would never think, like, man, can I do a marathon?
02:13:23.000 Right. 1.00
02:13:24.000 Now you're fucking doing a marathon every day. 1.00
02:13:27.000 Yeah. 1.00
02:13:27.000 And this is the same person. 1.00
02:13:29.000 It's not like, you know, I've always, first time I started running, I ran a fucking ultra marathon. 0.91
02:13:34.000 You know, it's not that. 0.90
02:13:35.000 No, no, no, no.
02:13:35.000 And that's, I mean, that's everything.
02:13:37.000 That's everybody and everything.
02:13:38.000 You work up to it.
02:13:40.000 Yeah.
02:13:40.000 And so that, it's no different from me.
02:13:42.000 I just feel like I'm finally getting to my potential.
02:13:46.000 And I wasted a lot of years not living up to my potential.
02:13:50.000 So when I do the running videos and I'm smiling, I'm in a good mood, that's genuine.
02:13:56.000 Because I'm like, this is my potential.
02:14:00.000 I can't be happy sitting at home watching TV. I'm going to do it because I love my family.
02:14:04.000 I'm going to hang out and do that.
02:14:06.000 But I can't be...
02:14:07.000 I don't feel like that's my potential.
02:14:10.000 This is the thing that I think is very important for people like you and I think a lot of people.
02:14:17.000 It's that in achieving goals and in pushing hard, there's a release of anxiety that I think overwhelms a lot of people for most of their life.
02:14:31.000 I know a lot of people that are overwhelmed by anxiety and most of those people that I know that are overwhelmed by anxiety don't push themselves.
02:14:38.000 I think there's a connection there.
02:14:40.000 I think that physically pushing yourself to your limit all the time, whether it's lifting weights or jujitsu or running or whatever you do that's strenuous, I think it's a requirement for the human body that we think of as an option.
02:14:55.000 I don't think it's an option.
02:14:57.000 I don't think so.
02:14:58.000 Especially not for mental health.
02:14:59.000 I think it's really critical.
02:15:02.000 I think really hard exercise is one, and I don't care what you do, whether you're swimming or whatever you like, whatever you enjoy, mountain biking, but I think really hard exercise is one of the most important requirements for a happy, healthy life.
02:15:17.000 I really do.
02:15:21.000 Man, I could say that maybe I try to justify what I do to try to Put logic to it.
02:15:29.000 Maybe even what you're saying is a little bit of justification.
02:15:35.000 I don't know.
02:15:36.000 So I don't know if what I do is right or what we should be doing.
02:15:40.000 I don't know.
02:15:41.000 I just know how I feel when I do it.
02:15:43.000 But that doesn't mean I don't have regret sometimes, like even with my kids now that they're older.
02:15:51.000 I really struggled wondering if the message I'd been sending to my family about Average is a failure.
02:16:00.000 If you're not giving your best, you're not honoring your life, basically.
02:16:06.000 And then I'm like, maybe that's okay for some people.
02:16:10.000 Maybe not everybody needs to run a marathon a day.
02:16:12.000 And they're fine and they're happy.
02:16:14.000 It's like, who am I to say what makes somebody else happy?
02:16:17.000 Just like I get mad when somebody tells me how I should feel.
02:16:20.000 I can't say why they need...
02:16:22.000 And so then I was like, here's my kids, my boys who are...
02:16:26.000 Great young men, strong, have all the potential in the world.
02:16:32.000 Have I said, being just a regular guy who has a job and comes home, there's something wrong with that.
02:16:39.000 And I'm like, God, did I screw up?
02:16:41.000 And it's just like, that's really been bothering, because my son quit a good job as a deputy, my oldest, and he joined the army because he says he has more to offer this world.
02:16:52.000 That's hard.
02:16:54.000 Is it hard because...
02:16:56.000 Well, it's hard, first of all, because your son is joining the military.
02:16:59.000 And you're like, wow, my son could go to combat and I could lose him.
02:17:03.000 Yeah.
02:17:04.000 But is it also hard because you feel like your high expectations for yourself...
02:17:17.000 You've made him think that whatever might have made him happy before is not good enough.
02:17:33.000 What did I do?
02:17:34.000 So, you know, I told him, you know, I'm sorry if I ever made you feel that being a regular average person, there was something wrong with that.
02:17:46.000 And he said, you know, the example that I've set growing up was that to work hard and achieve, you know, big goals, and that's what he wants to do.
02:18:00.000 And so he he said, you know, he said that was for him.
02:18:04.000 And then my my younger son, who's in his third year of college now, he I had the same talk with him.
02:18:11.000 And I just said, I'm you know, I'm sorry if if I've done something to make it feel like, you know, being being average was a failure.
02:18:20.000 And he said that he wants to graduate.
02:18:23.000 He wants to join the service and maybe try to go to Special Forces, too, for the same reason.
02:18:28.000 And so I don't know.
02:18:29.000 I don't know.
02:18:30.000 They don't act.
02:18:31.000 They act completely fine with it.
02:18:33.000 And they love working hard and have big goals to achieve.
02:18:38.000 And that part feels good.
02:18:41.000 But sometimes I wonder if, you know, I don't know.
02:18:46.000 I just second guess myself, I guess.
02:18:49.000 Yeah, it's hard.
02:18:50.000 High expectations you put on kids, it's very difficult.
02:18:53.000 You want to say, I just want them to be happy.
02:18:56.000 I just want them to live their lives on their path.
02:19:00.000 Every kid has their own personality, and your three kids are all uniquely different in their own way.
02:19:08.000 I think all you can do is live by example.
02:19:12.000 And support them and let them make the choices that they decide to make.
02:19:16.000 The problem is the choices that they've made are very stressful and very dangerous.
02:19:22.000 They might turn out like Tim Kennedy or someone like Andy Stumpf and be an awesome human being.
02:19:30.000 But for you as a parent, this is this incredibly stressful, pressure-filled situation where you have to re-evaluate how you raise them.
02:19:38.000 Yeah.
02:19:39.000 And what I told them growing up always was, I don't care if you're the best at whatever you're doing, because not everybody can be the best, but I said, just give your best.
02:19:52.000 Just be your best.
02:19:53.000 And so that's why if they're coasting or whatever, I'm like, I think you got some more.
02:19:58.000 You got some more in you.
02:19:59.000 And that's all I ever wanted.
02:20:01.000 The thing is about people that coast about stuff, if they have...
02:20:04.000 Like a thought of doing better and they just don't put in the effort. 0.93
02:20:08.000 They feel like shit Yeah, you know you they feel like shit for you telling them that but they feel like shit for sh for not doing well Yeah, yeah, especially if they have ambition if you unrealized potential is a very fucking horrible feeling you know unrealized potential and Unrealized expectations are just it's like this feeling that you haven't done enough will keep you up at night Yeah, 0.99
02:20:29.000 it will fuck with your head I just know how I felt, not giving all I got. 0.99
02:20:35.000 I didn't want my kids to feel like that. 1.00
02:20:39.000 So I was just like, make sure you're giving your best.
02:20:42.000 Be your best.
02:20:43.000 That's it.
02:20:46.000 But then I was like...
02:20:48.000 What have I done?
02:20:50.000 I can only speak for myself.
02:20:55.000 When Tanner was born, I was young.
02:21:01.000 I don't you know being a parent is like I feel like I'm better now than I was when I was 24 years old and You know, hopefully I'm pretty maybe more I'm different with my daughter.
02:21:16.000 She's also a girl.
02:21:18.000 So it's it is just that's different But man, it's like there's no blueprint on how to be the perfect parent and now I'm like, I hope I did Okay Yeah, there's no blueprint.
02:21:29.000 I mean, what's the blueprint?
02:21:30.000 Be honest.
02:21:32.000 Give them the best version of your thoughts on life that you can give them.
02:21:36.000 Spend time with them when you can.
02:21:38.000 Yeah.
02:21:39.000 I mean, what is the blueprint?
02:21:41.000 I mean, just try to help them figure out their path in life.
02:21:45.000 And it's also hard, too, because you've got a full-time job.
02:21:47.000 I mean, how much time...
02:21:49.000 Do you dedicate to them?
02:21:51.000 How much time can you have?
02:21:53.000 Yeah, I mean, it'd be great if I'd be like, I'm not going to work anymore.
02:21:57.000 I'm just going to hang out with the kids all day.
02:21:59.000 I mean, it's not realistic.
02:22:01.000 You can't do it.
02:22:02.000 And then also, to be the example, I felt like I needed to set for the kids so they'd believe they could achieve whatever they wanted to.
02:22:12.000 I had to put in work myself.
02:22:14.000 I can't say, you can be amazing while I'm Half-assing stuff.
02:22:19.000 When you say that you didn't reach your full potential until later in life, when do you feel like that was?
02:22:25.000 I haven't.
02:22:26.000 No, but I mean you realize that you're really pushing to reach your full potential now.
02:22:32.000 I still don't think I have.
02:22:34.000 But you're pushing towards it.
02:22:35.000 Yeah, I'm doing more.
02:22:37.000 When did that change?
02:22:44.000 God, I don't know.
02:22:46.000 Maybe when I did my first 100, so that's 2009, I felt what real sacrifice was.
02:22:57.000 I don't know.
02:22:58.000 You know, hard hunts.
02:23:00.000 When Roy and I would do super hard hunts, I'd felt like I was given all I got.
02:23:05.000 Backpack hunts, deep into the backcountry.
02:23:07.000 Yeah.
02:23:08.000 2008. I mean, I always did hard hunts by myself in the Eagle Cap, but there's not really a great chance of dying in the Eagle Cap.
02:23:15.000 You know, it's...
02:23:16.000 You could, but...
02:23:19.000 You know, I felt like I was given all I had on...
02:23:26.000 On the hunts that required the most of me.
02:23:28.000 And then at that same time, so that was 2007, 2008. Then at the same time, I was also ramping up what I did with running and pushing my body 100 milers and things like that.
02:23:41.000 Because you realized that you needed more endurance?
02:23:44.000 I just realized that I've been doing what I've been telling my kids not to do.
02:23:49.000 I've been coasting.
02:23:51.000 It still was more than a lot of people were doing.
02:23:53.000 But to me, it felt like I wasn't living up to my full potential.
02:23:57.000 So I'm like, I want to do more.
02:23:59.000 And then that led to Moab.
02:24:02.000 And when I meet people and see people that are doing amazing things, it shows me what's possible.
02:24:10.000 And so that's why I know I have more to offer.
02:24:13.000 That's a fascinating thing that, you know, you take these steps towards this journey, and then you realize as you're making these steps that your capacity for work is increasing, so you have to push yourself further to test your body, and then,
02:24:28.000 you know, a marathon seems out of reach, but then a marathon becomes a normal thing, and then a 50-miler, and then a 100-miler, and then a 205-miler, and then a 238-miler, and now you were talking the other day, I guess Candice was considering a 500-miler.
02:24:43.000 Yeah, yeah.
02:24:44.000 She asked, and I know... 1.00
02:24:45.000 That shit's ridiculous, by the way. 1.00
02:24:48.000 Courtney and I said, both said we'd do it, and it would just be amazing. 1.00
02:24:53.000 It would be...
02:24:54.000 Courtney DeWalter.
02:24:56.000 Yeah.
02:24:57.000 Yeah, and so that's, I mean, that's what people that do those type of races live for, the next big challenge. 1.00
02:25:04.000 And, you know, when you haven't, when you can cross a finish line, like I did Moab and Courtney did, she, you know, dominated, she had a great race in that race.
02:25:11.000 But when you can finish a finish line and you're smiling, you're like, uh...
02:25:15.000 Got a little more left.
02:25:16.000 Got some more left.
02:25:18.000 So that's why, you know, the sound of something epic like 500 nonstop is so incredible.
02:25:28.000 That sounds so insane that you'd run 238 miles and be basically halfway done.
02:25:34.000 Yeah. 1.00
02:25:35.000 That's so stupid. 1.00
02:25:36.000 I know, but listen, when we were 100 miles in, 100 miles is a long way. 1.00
02:25:41.000 And I told my brother who was with me, Taylor, I go...
02:25:45.000 You know, it's a different thought when you're not even halfway and you've just done 100. Right.
02:25:49.000 100 is...
02:25:50.000 hurts.
02:25:51.000 Yeah.
02:25:52.000 But you're not halfway.
02:25:53.000 Yeah.
02:25:53.000 So it's the same thing.
02:25:54.000 It's really not that many.
02:25:55.000 It's just a change of mindset.
02:25:57.000 How many days do you think you need to run 500?
02:26:00.000 Well...
02:26:00.000 I need a year.
02:26:01.000 Can I do that?
02:26:02.000 Yeah.
02:26:03.000 Can I have a year?
02:26:03.000 I need 10 hours of sleep at night.
02:26:05.000 I was listening to Matthew Walker.
02:26:07.000 Dr. Matthew Walker said I need 10 hours of sleep at night.
02:26:09.000 Oh my God, yeah.
02:26:10.000 Courtney told me she slept one minute.
02:26:12.000 Yeah.
02:26:13.000 Three days.
02:26:14.000 No, she slept 20-some minutes total.
02:26:17.000 No, she laid down for 20 minutes and she couldn't sleep.
02:26:19.000 Yeah.
02:26:20.000 And then the one time that she slept, she slept for one minute.
02:26:22.000 I did that exact...
02:26:23.000 Taylor was there and I did the exact same thing for one minute because he was watching the watch and I fell asleep.
02:26:30.000 There was a picture.
02:26:30.000 And I woke up.
02:26:31.000 I was like, how long was I asleep?
02:26:33.000 He goes, a minute.
02:26:34.000 I'm like, let's go.
02:26:35.000 And for whatever reason, that minute...
02:26:37.000 It does something.
02:26:38.000 I don't know.
02:26:39.000 What does it do?
02:26:40.000 How does that work?
02:26:40.000 I have no idea.
02:26:41.000 She said she woke up and she was angry that they let her sleep so long.
02:26:45.000 Right, so she thought it was longer, too.
02:26:47.000 Yeah, and he was like, no, you only slept for a minute. 0.99
02:26:49.000 She's like, oh, shit, well, let's go. 0.98
02:26:50.000 Yeah, that's one thing I learned in that first 200 I did. 1.00
02:26:55.000 Richard won that race, and that was a mistake I made.
02:27:00.000 I was asking how long he'd been sleeping.
02:27:03.000 That was what you said. 0.99
02:27:04.000 He sent me a quote, but you said, you go, fucking Richard, because he is like... 0.99
02:27:08.000 And he said that. 0.99
02:27:09.000 He says, that was the greatest day of my life. 1.00
02:27:11.000 And Joe Rogan said, fuck Richard Kessler. 0.99
02:27:14.000 But he was sleeping short durations, like 15 minutes. 0.99
02:27:19.000 And I didn't realize that your body will reset that quick.
02:27:22.000 You thought you needed like an hour.
02:27:24.000 Yeah, yeah.
02:27:25.000 Makes sense.
02:27:26.000 Yeah.
02:27:26.000 And plus, you know, I'm sitting here.
02:27:28.000 It's not like it's...
02:27:30.000 I'm...
02:27:31.000 It's really hard to be good at ultra marathoning and also be able to want to pack an elk.
02:27:38.000 Right.
02:27:39.000 You know, I'm muscle weighing what I weigh is not going to so I kind of throwing myself in the category of Richard and in Courtney as like, I can't do it at what I do.
02:27:51.000 Right.
02:27:52.000 So I'm trying to be the best of both worlds, and it's just you're going to give up in both ends.
02:27:56.000 Without being built like Zach Bitter, who's like 140. 140 is usually.
02:28:01.000 He was on the podcast last week, and he ran a U.S. record of 100 miles in 11 hours and 40 minutes, averaging 7 minutes and 41 seconds.
02:28:13.000 Or 702, wasn't it?
02:28:15.000 What was it?
02:28:15.000 Yeah, 11 hours and 40 minutes.
02:28:18.000 So I think he ran, yeah, seven minutes, two seconds per mile, which is fucking madness. 0.97
02:28:24.000 That's amazing. 0.98
02:28:25.000 So fast.
02:28:26.000 So impressive.
02:28:28.000 And he's a meat eater.
02:28:29.000 Oh, is he?
02:28:30.000 Mostly eats meat.
02:28:31.000 Oh, cool.
02:28:31.000 He's basically on a carnivore diet.
02:28:33.000 He eats steak constantly.
02:28:34.000 He's on a very high-fat diet.
02:28:36.000 Yeah.
02:28:36.000 High-fat, high-steak and protein diet.
02:28:40.000 Yeah.
02:28:41.000 Well, it's...
02:28:42.000 So, yeah.
02:28:42.000 I mean, to be the optimal endurance athlete, ultra endurance athlete in the mountains, you need to be lighter.
02:28:49.000 Yeah.
02:28:50.000 I mean, I'm just...
02:28:50.000 I weigh too much.
02:28:51.000 Yeah.
02:28:52.000 But to be able to pack out an animal, you need to have some weight on you.
02:28:54.000 Yeah.
02:28:55.000 I'm doing it to be the best at bow hunting.
02:28:58.000 I'm not doing it to be the best runner.
02:28:59.000 And I'm not saying I could, but I don't have the talent.
02:29:02.000 I'm pretty tough, but I mean, they're super tough and super talented.
02:29:06.000 What is a talent for running?
02:29:08.000 What's a talent?
02:29:10.000 Left foot, right foot, left foot, right foot.
02:29:12.000 You know what I'm saying?
02:29:13.000 It's not like you're painting.
02:29:15.000 There's a talent.
02:29:17.000 It's endurance.
02:29:18.000 It's endurance.
02:29:19.000 I don't know if that's a talent, but having great endurance is a thing.
02:29:26.000 It's certainly a thing.
02:29:27.000 Yeah.
02:29:28.000 And managing the body to get the most out of that endurance.
02:29:32.000 Most of it is, and Courtney said this too, she didn't realize how far she could push in the pain she was in.
02:29:42.000 So her first hundred she quit.
02:29:45.000 First hundred miles she dropped out of.
02:29:47.000 Because she was in pain.
02:29:48.000 That was it.
02:29:48.000 Right.
02:29:49.000 And she's like, I can't do this.
02:29:50.000 And then she quit and she's like, wait a second.
02:29:54.000 I quit for no reason.
02:29:55.000 I quit just because I was in pain.
02:29:57.000 So then after that, she realized pain is just part of the deal and hasn't quit since.
02:30:02.000 So she just didn't realize the pain quotient of those races. 1.00
02:30:08.000 Yeah, it doesn't feel good.
02:30:10.000 It's awful.
02:30:11.000 Just because it doesn't feel good doesn't mean you stop.
02:30:13.000 Right.
02:30:13.000 Yeah, and that's the key.
02:30:16.000 Most people can't push through that amount of pain.
02:30:19.000 It hurts.
02:30:21.000 It's the worst pain I've ever felt.
02:30:22.000 What hurts the most?
02:30:25.000 It depends.
02:30:26.000 It's like I've run and my foot starts hurting.
02:30:29.000 I'm like, oh my god, this is it.
02:30:30.000 I probably broke my foot.
02:30:31.000 Maybe a stretch fracture.
02:30:32.000 Then all of a sudden my other knee hurts.
02:30:33.000 I'm like, oh, my...
02:30:34.000 Okay, my ligament got tight because I got dehydrated.
02:30:38.000 It's rubbing on my bone.
02:30:39.000 It's like, oh wait, no, this other right hip hurt.
02:30:42.000 It's just like everything hurts.
02:30:44.000 Different things.
02:30:45.000 Your feet get beat up.
02:30:46.000 You get blisters.
02:30:48.000 You're getting dried out.
02:30:49.000 So things are...
02:30:51.000 Just things are different in your body.
02:30:55.000 Like I got a bone on top of my foot that rubs and if I get dried out, that stuff's not sliding well enough so that rubs and it swells up more.
02:31:05.000 So it's just like all sorts of things happen.
02:31:09.000 Yeah, people want everything to feel good.
02:31:11.000 They want to feel comfortable.
02:31:13.000 And it does.
02:31:14.000 You shouldn't push too hard.
02:31:15.000 For about five miles.
02:31:16.000 Just be comfortable.
02:31:17.000 You should just be comfortable.
02:31:19.000 Yeah, so that's the biggest thing, is people...
02:31:21.000 And, you know, there's this guy, too, that's been following me.
02:31:27.000 I love the guy.
02:31:28.000 And he's like...
02:31:29.000 So he sees the pictures.
02:31:31.000 He follows along.
02:31:32.000 He's like, well, I want to do a hundred miler.
02:31:36.000 Because it sounds amazing, right?
02:31:39.000 Right.
02:31:39.000 And signed up to do 100. It's one my brother just did recently.
02:31:44.000 It's called Badger Mountain.
02:31:46.000 And hadn't done it before.
02:31:48.000 I think he came and ran Pisgah, did about four summits once, about 16 miles or whatever, and went out.
02:31:55.000 And he's going to do a hundred miler after that and started throwing up at like mile 30, threw up like 13 times and couldn't walk, was dehydrated, throwing up, and it was the hardest thing to do,
02:32:11.000 but he had to drop.
02:32:12.000 And That, so there's, you're getting your body to a place where you can run that far.
02:32:19.000 And then, so that's part, he hasn't been there yet.
02:32:21.000 And I think part of that was he wasn't taking in salt.
02:32:24.000 There's a lot of, a lot of things that go on with pushing your body that hard, but he got 50 miles done.
02:32:29.000 For me, I thought that was a great success.
02:32:32.000 Because just people, just because they want to run 100, doesn't necessarily mean you're going to.
02:32:39.000 There's a lot of things that have to go into preparation and the tactics and fueling and everything else.
02:32:44.000 Learning just like Courtney did.
02:32:46.000 Learning just like he did.
02:32:47.000 He got 50 in.
02:32:48.000 And now he signed up for Bigfoot.
02:32:50.000 So he's going to do 205 miles.
02:32:52.000 So he's going from dropping out at 50 to 205 miles.
02:32:56.000 Yep.
02:32:56.000 And I think he can do it.
02:32:58.000 It's a sickness. 1.00
02:32:58.000 You guys are all sick in the head. 1.00
02:33:00.000 You guys are all getting sick together. 0.99
02:33:02.000 I think he can do it, and that's just part of the process of learning what you're capable of.
02:33:09.000 Right.
02:33:09.000 And it doesn't happen like that.
02:33:12.000 When you say take salts in, what are you doing?
02:33:15.000 They're called S-caps, so it's just salt pills.
02:33:18.000 But I thought salt gives you high blood pressure and it's bad for you.
02:33:21.000 Yes, you're right.
02:33:23.000 But when you're sweaty nonstop...
02:33:25.000 It doesn't give you high blood pressure, folks.
02:33:26.000 No.
02:33:27.000 It's not bad for you.
02:33:28.000 Okay. 0.98
02:33:28.000 It's a fucking bad study from like the 1970s that people recite. 0.98
02:33:32.000 Salt's in a central mineral. 0.98
02:33:34.000 So when you're doing it, how much are you taking in?
02:33:38.000 I take salt every hour.
02:33:40.000 How much salt?
02:33:41.000 A couple of capsules of S-caps.
02:33:43.000 So it's a couple caps like a...
02:33:45.000 And if you don't, you won't make it.
02:33:48.000 Really?
02:33:49.000 No.
02:33:50.000 Wow.
02:33:51.000 Nope.
02:33:52.000 So it's just your body just gets too dehydrated?
02:33:55.000 Yeah.
02:33:55.000 Too deficient.
02:33:56.000 And what is the water and the salt?
02:33:59.000 What's happening when you're taking salt?
02:34:02.000 I don't know.
02:34:04.000 But you know that everybody does it?
02:34:05.000 Yeah, yeah.
02:34:06.000 I'm not sure exactly, but all I know is like, I remember the first time I did Western States, I've only done it once, but it was a 100-miler in 2010, and I got to mile 55, I think, and I was dragging ass.
02:34:21.000 You come out of the canyons, it's super hot, and there is, you know, 90s or 100s in the canyons, so you pop out onto mile 55, and I was hurting.
02:34:31.000 And, uh, And Sean Meisner, who's been a very good ultra runner for a long time, he's like, have you taken salt?
02:34:38.000 I'm like, no, I haven't.
02:34:40.000 So he gave me some salt right then, and it took a little while, but it made the biggest difference.
02:34:45.000 That just salt.
02:34:46.000 So you had never taken salt before?
02:34:48.000 I didn't take it the first 55 miles.
02:34:51.000 Oh, wow.
02:34:51.000 So then you just got to get in that community and understand what they do and how they survive.
02:34:56.000 And how they fuel.
02:34:57.000 How many people are doing that?
02:34:58.000 Like, say if you do Bigfoot, how many people are entering their race?
02:35:02.000 When I did it, which was two years ago, I think 70-some.
02:35:06.000 Now I think she's over 100 in all these races. 0.87
02:35:09.000 Wow.
02:35:12.000 What Candace Bird always says is 200 is the new 100. What used to be 100 was a long way.
02:35:22.000 Now it's 200. 200 is the new 100. When did this change?
02:35:26.000 When did it shift over?
02:35:30.000 Maybe 2016. When I did Bigfoot, maybe right in there.
02:35:35.000 That's really recent.
02:35:36.000 Yeah.
02:35:36.000 So this whole sport is kind of evolving right now.
02:35:40.000 The 200s.
02:35:40.000 The 200s are.
02:35:41.000 And it's evolving based on how far people that are willing to push themselves are continuing to go past the boundaries.
02:35:50.000 Yeah.
02:35:51.000 So when this 500 does take place, when do they think that's going to happen?
02:35:55.000 She hopes to do it next year.
02:35:56.000 You've got to quit your job.
02:35:58.000 Quit your job.
02:35:59.000 You've got to run all day.
02:36:00.000 No, I'd love to.
02:36:01.000 You need a sneaker sponsor.
02:36:03.000 Yeah.
02:36:04.000 I got one.
02:36:05.000 I'm going to be your agent.
02:36:06.000 I'm going to get another one.
02:36:07.000 I'm going to be your agent.
02:36:08.000 I'm taking over from here.
02:36:10.000 Okay, do it.
02:36:12.000 You can't sell yourself.
02:36:13.000 I'm going to sell you.
02:36:14.000 No, I'm terrible.
02:36:17.000 I'm definitely terrible at business.
02:36:19.000 Yeah.
02:36:20.000 Well, you can't be good at everything.
02:36:22.000 That's a fact.
02:36:23.000 It's not possible.
02:36:24.000 The number one thing I hate more than anything is when business screws up my passions.
02:36:31.000 I hate the business of hunting.
02:36:33.000 It sounds weird because I'm probably sitting here because of the business of hunting, but I can't stand it.
02:36:38.000 I know what you're saying.
02:36:39.000 The business of the industry involved in hunting gear and goods and all that stuff.
02:36:45.000 Yeah.
02:36:46.000 I love hunting.
02:36:47.000 I love the connection with the animals.
02:36:49.000 I love doing what I do and I know I have value.
02:36:52.000 I get it.
02:36:53.000 I mean, I have value because I put my name on stuff and they sell it.
02:36:57.000 I hate it.
02:36:59.000 That's probably why you're good at it.
02:37:01.000 I don't know.
02:37:02.000 Yeah, I think those two are correlated, you know? 0.93
02:37:05.000 I'm fucking terrible at the business part of comedy, you know? 0.59
02:37:09.000 I mean, I just want to do it. 0.98
02:37:11.000 I don't like thinking about the money part.
02:37:14.000 Yeah.
02:37:14.000 That's why I have managers and agents.
02:37:16.000 Right.
02:37:17.000 They take care of everything so that I can just be free.
02:37:19.000 And if you're not...
02:37:21.000 You know, you only have a certain amount of resources, and if you put all your resources into the business side, how are you going to have the concentration to do all the other things you're doing?
02:37:32.000 Practice shooting and running, all the different things.
02:37:36.000 You don't have time. 1.00
02:37:36.000 It'll fuck with your head, too. 1.00
02:37:38.000 You gotta... 1.00
02:37:39.000 I mean, this is one of the things that I was thinking of when my phone didn't work for four days or three days, whatever it was.
02:37:45.000 It was how much time I'm wasting.
02:37:48.000 How much energy I'm wasting.
02:37:50.000 Yeah.
02:37:52.000 You can only interact so much with other people's thoughts and ideas and information.
02:37:58.000 And you have a lot of things already in your head that you're going over and thinking about and managing. 0.97
02:38:09.000 And the more shit you stuff in there, it doesn't make you better at doing those original things. 0.99
02:38:16.000 It dilutes it. 1.00
02:38:16.000 It dilutes it, yes. 1.00
02:38:18.000 And it also diluted my peace of mind.
02:38:22.000 I think you only have a certain amount of resources in your life, and you have to choose what's important to you and what's not.
02:38:30.000 And I think it's real easy to get distracted.
02:38:33.000 It's real easy to flood your brain with nonsense. 0.89
02:38:37.000 I think so.
02:38:40.000 I'm good at a few things, so I try to focus on those.
02:38:45.000 And the business part, yeah, you can take that over for me.
02:38:49.000 Yeah, I'll take it over for you.
02:38:50.000 I'm not even good at it, but I'm good at...
02:38:53.000 What I'm good at is I know people that I like and what I like about them and what's interesting about them, and I like promoting people.
02:39:01.000 It's one of the things that I've gotten out of this podcast that is...
02:39:06.000 There's a lot of things that have gotten out of this podcast that are really unexpected and peripheral, but one of them is the ability to make my friends famous.
02:39:15.000 Yeah.
02:39:16.000 This podcast has made Joey Diaz famous and Ari Shafir famous and Duncan Trussell famous.
02:39:22.000 All these people that I think are amazing.
02:39:24.000 I got a chance to let other people know about them.
02:39:28.000 And that's not the only reason why they became famous.
02:39:30.000 They became famous because they're talented, but...
02:39:32.000 It gave them this unusual platform.
02:39:35.000 And that means a lot to me, to help people.
02:39:40.000 That's something that's very, very rewarding to me.
02:39:42.000 And it's almost along the same lines of being able to provide as a hunter and provide food.
02:39:48.000 To be able to provide, to let people know, you gotta see this guy.
02:39:52.000 This guy's awesome.
02:39:53.000 I don't even know people.
02:39:55.000 They're a documentary.
02:39:56.000 I see a documentary. 1.00
02:39:57.000 It's fucking amazing. 0.95
02:39:58.000 I want to tell people about it. 0.97
02:39:59.000 I like promoting things without any expectation of something coming back to me in return.
02:40:08.000 People say, oh, you're doing ads for products on your Instagram.
02:40:13.000 Never have.
02:40:14.000 Everything that I've ever put up on Instagram, unless it's my own stuff, unless it's my fanny packs or something that I sell, Anything that I've ever put on, people accuse me of working for Vibram's five-finger shoes.
02:40:26.000 I'm like, no!
02:40:27.000 I like them.
02:40:28.000 I like them.
02:40:29.000 I don't want anything from them.
02:40:30.000 I wear them all the time.
02:40:32.000 This is why I think they're good.
02:40:34.000 I think they build your feet up.
02:40:35.000 I know my feet are stronger because I run with these things. 1.00
02:40:37.000 Like, oh, you fucking shill. 0.99
02:40:38.000 No, that's not what I'm doing. 0.99
02:40:41.000 That's the one thing of having financial independence that's really rewarding is that I don't have to think like that.
02:40:48.000 I've been offered to do ads on Instagram.
02:40:52.000 I can't because unless it was something I super believed in, then I might consider doing it, but I could never do it with some nonsense like Coca-Cola or something like that.
02:41:03.000 What about skinny tea?
02:41:05.000 What's that?
02:41:05.000 Skinny T? What's Skinny T? I see the girls do it.
02:41:08.000 What is Skinny T? That's a thing on Instagram.
02:41:11.000 See this fucking guy! 1.00
02:41:12.000 I go to him! 1.00
02:41:13.000 See, he knows everything!
02:41:13.000 I go to him!
02:41:14.000 All the young kids!
02:41:15.000 No, he's got...
02:41:16.000 What's that called again?
02:41:17.000 What do you know what's going on?
02:41:19.000 He's a liaison?
02:41:20.000 No, no, no, no.
02:41:21.000 He's a...
02:41:22.000 Did Duncan say it?
02:41:24.000 Remember he kept saying it?
02:41:25.000 What do you know it's like popular?
02:41:28.000 Oh.
02:41:28.000 What's the term?
02:41:32.000 We talked about it at dinner.
02:41:33.000 Yeah, I don't remember.
02:41:35.000 Duncan just kept going on about Lil B. Lil B the bass guy.
02:41:38.000 He's also saying, like, because Gucci is like the kids knew, but there's a word.
02:41:46.000 Zeitgeist?
02:41:47.000 Yes!
02:41:47.000 Oh, it's in the Zeitgeist.
02:41:48.000 So that's Jamie.
02:41:49.000 Yeah.
02:41:50.000 Jamie's...
02:41:50.000 I'm not a zeitgeist, but I know what's floating on top.
02:41:53.000 Jamie is online all day, and he's just, ever since the Eddie Bravo podcast, just been blocking people.
02:42:00.000 Yeah.
02:42:01.000 He's on a blocking rampage.
02:42:03.000 Not everyone.
02:42:06.000 That's like most.
02:42:07.000 So what is skinny tea?
02:42:09.000 What is that?
02:42:09.000 It's like detox tea.
02:42:10.000 It's like a thing that people promote.
02:42:11.000 They post a picture.
02:42:12.000 I drink my tea every day and it's detoxifying.
02:42:15.000 And they're getting paid to promote this?
02:42:17.000 Yeah.
02:42:18.000 Well, wasn't that thing you were telling me that Gary Vee was saying that you can get a lot of money for your Instagram posts?
02:42:24.000 Yeah.
02:42:25.000 I saw on a Good Morning America thing he did that if you have 100,000 followers, I believe you can get up to about $5,000 per post.
02:42:32.000 That's crazy!
02:42:33.000 You have a million and Ramps up way high, 20 grand.
02:42:37.000 20 grand a post?
02:42:38.000 Yeah.
02:42:39.000 Okay, I'm changing my tune.
02:42:40.000 I'm going to sell out now. 0.98
02:42:41.000 I'm offering my services to anything that sucks.
02:42:45.000 There's this girl, and I can't remember who, what, she was in a movie. 0.71
02:42:49.000 She's sort of cute, but kind of unique looking. 0.99
02:42:53.000 She was getting $65,000 an Instagram post and $20,000 a story post.
02:43:00.000 What?
02:43:01.000 Yeah.
02:43:01.000 She said she bought a house.
02:43:03.000 For doing...
02:43:03.000 Wait a minute.
02:43:04.000 I need to sell out.
02:43:05.000 You do.
02:43:06.000 What do I sell out to?
02:43:08.000 Who do I sell out to?
02:43:09.000 Anybody.
02:43:09.000 Everyone.
02:43:10.000 Vibrams.
02:43:10.000 How much money you got?
02:43:11.000 You know I've been promoting you for free.
02:43:16.000 Oh, you owe me.
02:43:18.000 No, I can't.
02:43:20.000 The only thing I would ever promote is...
02:43:22.000 It's like the same thing I feel about the stuff that I promote for free.
02:43:27.000 It would have to be something that I like.
02:43:29.000 Believed in.
02:43:30.000 Yeah.
02:43:30.000 It would have to be like Hoyt.
02:43:32.000 If Hoyt came to me and said, I'm wearing a Hoyt hat.
02:43:35.000 You are.
02:43:35.000 Would you promote our bows?
02:43:37.000 I'm like, fuck yeah, I shoot them every day. 1.00
02:43:39.000 They're awesome. 1.00
02:43:39.000 They actually put your picture up, me and you. 1.00
02:43:42.000 Beautiful.
02:43:42.000 Put it up.
02:43:43.000 Well, no.
02:43:44.000 I mean, you joke around...
02:43:46.000 You weren't joking about you like helping your friends, but I don't know how long the powerful Joe Rogan...
02:43:54.000 How long has a powerful Joe Rogan been around?
02:43:56.000 The saying?
02:43:57.000 I don't know.
02:43:58.000 It's been a while.
02:43:59.000 But the point is, is like now...
02:44:02.000 This is powerful.
02:44:04.000 Because if I put up, hey, where'd you hear about, or where'd you start following me from, or where'd you hear about what I do?
02:44:12.000 80% is Joe Rogan show.
02:44:15.000 Joe Rogan experience.
02:44:16.000 And so it's been a saying for a long time, but it is powerful.
02:44:20.000 You know what's really crazy?
02:44:21.000 Burt Kreischer was at the airport, and this lady, he said she was in her 60s, walked up, and she goes, Powerful Burt Kreischer! 0.99
02:44:29.000 And he was like, what the fuck? 0.99
02:44:31.000 And he texted me. 1.00
02:44:32.000 He goes, dude, that was crazy.
02:44:34.000 He's like, this is like an older lady. 0.84
02:44:37.000 He said, powerful Burt Kreischer.
02:44:39.000 And he was like, whoa.
02:44:40.000 He goes, that's when it hit me. 1.00
02:44:41.000 He was like, what the fuck? 0.99
02:44:42.000 I'm reaching middle-aged ladies. 1.00
02:44:46.000 Past middle-aged ladies.
02:44:47.000 If she lives to be 120, that's a hell of a lady. 1.00
02:44:50.000 No, because we're middle-aged.
02:44:51.000 Yeah, we're middle-aged.
02:44:52.000 If everything goes perfect.
02:44:55.000 Yeah.
02:44:56.000 But with science today, I think we're probably not even.
02:44:58.000 I think we're probably one-third aged.
02:45:00.000 Yeah.
02:45:00.000 I think it's 100% easy today that someone's going to live to be 150. I don't think there's any question whatsoever.
02:45:06.000 Yeah.
02:45:07.000 With stem cell treatments and all this other crazy new- 150?
02:45:10.000 Yep.
02:45:11.000 Ooh.
02:45:11.000 Yeah, I believe that.
02:45:12.000 I believe people that are alive today.
02:45:14.000 Because I think technology and medical science is increasing its viability and its potential so fast, and there's so many people working on things all the time, that if you do everything right right now, I think we're gonna see people that are alive today that are gonna hit 150. And I think the people that are born like five years from now,
02:45:34.000 ten years from now, they'll probably hit 200. Before we go.
02:45:40.000 Before we go.
02:45:41.000 Chicago UFC. Ooh, it's going to be a good one.
02:45:45.000 Colby Covington, don't snap me.
02:45:46.000 Don't slap me.
02:45:47.000 When I said you're going to slap me, don't slap me. 1.00
02:45:49.000 He's talking shit. 1.00
02:45:50.000 Why is he going to slap you? 1.00
02:45:52.000 Because I was telling him that Jon Jones might slap him. 0.76
02:45:54.000 Oh, and he's going to slap you? 1.00
02:45:55.000 I'm going to slap you. 1.00
02:45:57.000 I like Colby. 0.99
02:45:58.000 I like what he's doing. 1.00
02:45:59.000 He's talking a lot of shit. 1.00
02:46:00.000 I'm just saying, be careful who you talk shit to. 1.00
02:46:02.000 Talking shit to Jon Jones. 1.00
02:46:04.000 One of the baddest motherfuckers that's ever lived. 1.00
02:46:07.000 He's making a lot of money. 1.00
02:46:09.000 He's being smart. 0.82
02:46:10.000 The reason why Colby is fighting for the title, the reason why Colby is going to fight Rafael Dos Anjos for the interim title, is not just because he's beaten good guys, because he beat Damian Maia, but it's more importantly that he's going to put asses in the seats.
02:46:24.000 Well, that's part of the fight business.
02:46:26.000 Part of the fight business now.
02:46:27.000 I mean, yeah, especially nowadays.
02:46:29.000 There's pre and post Conor McGregor.
02:46:31.000 Right. 1.00
02:46:32.000 And post Conor McGregor, the fucking game has changed. 1.00
02:46:35.000 It's red panties night, baby. 1.00
02:46:37.000 Everything is different.
02:46:38.000 It is.
02:46:39.000 And it's just like, I see people hate on Colby for, you know, did he deserve the shot?
02:46:44.000 All I know is he wins one fight, he's holding the belt.
02:46:48.000 Yeah, I mean, if you look at who he's beaten...
02:46:52.000 Pull up his record.
02:46:53.000 Let me see his record.
02:46:54.000 If you look at who he's beaten in comparison to somebody...
02:46:57.000 Like, there's some people that have been calling him out that can't get a fight with him.
02:47:00.000 Like, Kamaru Usman wants to fight him, and that guy's a beast.
02:47:05.000 And then there's some other guys that are...
02:47:08.000 Really talented, but haven't beaten any high-level guys yet.
02:47:13.000 Okay, so he lost to Worley Alves.
02:47:16.000 And then look at the guys he's beaten.
02:47:18.000 Brian Barbarina is a good guy.
02:47:19.000 Dong Young Kim is a tough guy.
02:47:22.000 Stung Gun Kim and Damian Maia.
02:47:23.000 That is not...
02:47:25.000 I'm just going to be honest.
02:47:26.000 This is not a resume of someone who you would normally see fighting for the title right now.
02:47:34.000 I think he's fighting for the title based not just on beating Damian Maia, who's a really tough guy, but I think On the fact that he's a controversial, very popular character.
02:47:49.000 Yeah. 0.99
02:47:49.000 Because he talks so much shit. 0.99
02:47:51.000 Yeah. 1.00
02:47:51.000 And because he's talked so much shit about Brazilians. 1.00
02:47:53.000 And he dominated Maia in Brazil. 1.00
02:47:57.000 Yes, he did.
02:47:57.000 I mean, it was a domination.
02:47:59.000 He dominated him.
02:47:59.000 And it's what I think...
02:48:01.000 That was a big victory, but that was his only big victory over a former title challenger who's like a top-level guy who's also 40 years old.
02:48:09.000 Right.
02:48:09.000 I mean, Damian Maia, his best days are behind him.
02:48:13.000 I say this as a huge Damian Maia fan.
02:48:15.000 Yeah.
02:48:16.000 Well, I look at it as you can't take too much away from Colby because I think of a lot of great fighters.
02:48:23.000 So if you say Nate Diaz, who's been an icon for years, one of my favorite of all time, he's never fought for a title.
02:48:30.000 Right?
02:48:31.000 Yeah, yeah.
02:48:33.000 So if Colby got there, however he got there, he wins one more fight, he's holding that belt.
02:48:39.000 I think about fighters who've come up, and maybe they've been quieter, maybe they haven't sold their fights as well as Colby has.
02:48:49.000 So they've been grinding it out, beating good guys.
02:48:51.000 Maybe because they've taken that slow road, maybe somebody gets lucky in one of these fights and catches them on the chin.
02:48:57.000 And then they're two rungs back, and then they've got to grind all the way back up.
02:49:00.000 That's a lot of damage they're taking where Colby didn't have to...
02:49:04.000 I mean, he played the game the right way for today, and it's paying off.
02:49:08.000 Yeah, he only has one loss.
02:49:09.000 I mean, I think he's 11-1 now. 0.99
02:49:12.000 But, you know, but other people would say, well, look at guys like Anderson Silva, didn't talk any shit, just fuck people up. 0.99
02:49:19.000 Yeah. 0.99
02:49:19.000 You know, and became one of the greatest of all time because of that. 0.99
02:49:23.000 Yeah, that's true.
02:49:24.000 You know, you could look at it like, do you want to get that shot at the title or do you want to be the greatest that's ever done it?
02:49:31.000 Like, what is the difference?
02:49:32.000 Yeah.
02:49:33.000 I would rather get the title and then show him the greatest.
02:49:36.000 Well, they're not mutually exclusive.
02:49:38.000 No.
02:49:39.000 So, I mean, if he wins, then he'll probably get a fight with Woodley.
02:49:44.000 Oh, he will definitely get a fight with Woodley if he wins.
02:49:48.000 100%.
02:49:48.000 Right.
02:49:49.000 So, what if that happens?
02:49:51.000 Woodley showed a video today. 0.98
02:49:52.000 I don't even understand how the fuck he did this. 0.93
02:49:55.000 But Tyron Woodley has a video up on Instagram with him and Tiki Gosen. 0.98
02:50:01.000 And he's hitting the pads. 0.99
02:50:03.000 He just had fucking shoulder surgery. 1.00
02:50:05.000 Yeah. 0.99
02:50:05.000 I mean, he had shoulder surgery like... 0.99
02:50:07.000 Watch this. 0.98
02:50:10.000 I mean, he had fucking shoulder surgery like four months ago, and he's firing up the pads. 0.99
02:50:14.000 I don't even know how he did this. 0.99
02:50:18.000 Which shoulder?
02:50:19.000 That one.
02:50:20.000 That right?
02:50:20.000 Yes.
02:50:23.000 He looks like a freaking beast. 1.00
02:50:25.000 He is a fucking beast. 1.00
02:50:26.000 Oh my... 1.00
02:50:27.000 He's a legit beast. 0.93
02:50:29.000 Colby says he's a nerd. 1.00
02:50:31.000 Oh, get the fuck out of here. 1.00
02:50:33.000 Just kidding. 0.99
02:50:33.000 Just kidding. 0.99
02:50:33.000 He's talked shit about him for sure. 0.99
02:50:35.000 He said nerd bash something. 0.99
02:50:37.000 He said he would break him.
02:50:38.000 But look, Tyron Woodley puts people to sleep.
02:50:43.000 It's just insane that that shoulder was operated on.
02:50:46.000 He looks amazing.
02:50:46.000 I want to say like four months ago.
02:50:48.000 Yeah.
02:50:48.000 I don't even understand it.
02:50:50.000 That doesn't even make sense.
02:50:50.000 That's impressive.
02:50:51.000 Like, four months after shoulder surgery, you're supposed to be doing those little pink weights that chicks use in Pilates class. 1.00
02:50:58.000 You're supposed to be doing this.
02:50:59.000 I don't get it.
02:51:02.000 But Tyron's very smart, and he's very smart with his rehabilitation.
02:51:05.000 He's doing PRP and everything he can, stem cells, everything he can to rejuvenate all that tissue.
02:51:11.000 But that's just...
02:51:12.000 That's insanely impressive. 0.99
02:51:14.000 Unless, unless, that is an old video that he's fucking banked. 1.00
02:51:20.000 He's like, these bitches, I know what I'm going to do. 1.00
02:51:24.000 I'm going to leave him scared. 1.00
02:51:27.000 Wonderboy's furious.
02:51:28.000 Wonderboy's furious that Colby's getting that shot. 0.99
02:51:30.000 Wonderboy's like, are you fucking kidding me? 0.98
02:51:32.000 How am I not fighting for the interim title? 0.98
02:51:35.000 He just beat Jorge Masvidal.
02:51:39.000 He had those two really close fights with Woodley. 0.99
02:51:42.000 You know, I mean, he's beating, you know, a fucking who's who. 0.99
02:51:46.000 Yeah. 0.99
02:51:47.000 Well, it's...
02:51:48.000 I get...
02:51:49.000 Because Colby has worked out with me.
02:51:51.000 You know, we're from the same town back there.
02:51:53.000 And so people are like, I can't believe you support whatever, like, Colby...
02:51:58.000 He's a blah, blah, blah. 1.00
02:51:59.000 And it's just like...
02:52:01.000 He's just doing his job.
02:52:02.000 I don't want to fuck up his game, but that's not how he is in real life.
02:52:06.000 No, he's a great guy.
02:52:09.000 Him and his dad came and lifted with us.
02:52:12.000 They're the nicest people ever.
02:52:14.000 It's a smart move.
02:52:16.000 Come on, guys.
02:52:16.000 It worked.
02:52:18.000 It worked.
02:52:19.000 He did get hit in the head with a boomerang for it, though.
02:52:22.000 Hey, take a little, you know.
02:52:24.000 Take your lumps.
02:52:26.000 Take your lumps, yeah.
02:52:27.000 It happens.
02:52:28.000 It does happen.
02:52:30.000 All I know is he wins one more fight and he's got the UFC belt.
02:52:33.000 Yeah.
02:52:34.000 How amazing is that?
02:52:35.000 Well, he's got the interim belt.
02:52:36.000 Hey, it's a belt.
02:52:37.000 It is a belt.
02:52:38.000 I don't care what kind of a belt.
02:52:39.000 It's a belt.
02:52:40.000 Well, Tyron Woodley calls it the boo-boo belt.
02:52:42.000 Whatever.
02:52:43.000 Because he's got an injury, and that's the only reason why...
02:52:45.000 It's still super shiny.
02:52:46.000 It's very shiny.
02:52:47.000 And it's still going to be around his waist if he wins.
02:52:49.000 It's true. 1.00
02:52:50.000 I mean, it'll be in his fucking trophy cabinet. 1.00
02:52:54.000 Exactly. 1.00
02:52:55.000 It's a fucking belt. 1.00
02:52:56.000 Yeah. 1.00
02:52:56.000 So I think... 1.00
02:52:58.000 Oh, God, I'm so pumped.
02:52:59.000 It's going to be...
02:53:00.000 June, you're going to be there.
02:53:01.000 We're going to have some fun.
02:53:02.000 That's going to be...
02:53:02.000 That card...
02:53:03.000 Pull up that June UFC card.
02:53:05.000 That is a killer card.
02:53:08.000 There's some real good fights on that card.
02:53:10.000 Is that the card with Derek Lewis and Francis Ngannou?
02:53:13.000 Oh, God, I don't think so.
02:53:15.000 Is it?
02:53:15.000 I want to say it is.
02:53:16.000 I don't think.
02:53:17.000 I want to say it is.
02:53:18.000 No?
02:53:19.000 Which one's that?
02:53:20.000 Is that Vegas?
02:53:22.000 Whitaker Romero.
02:53:23.000 Ooh.
02:53:25.000 God.
02:53:26.000 Oh, Jesus.
02:53:28.000 Make that a little bigger so Daddy can see. 1.00
02:53:30.000 Whitaker vs.
02:53:32.000 Romero.
02:53:32.000 I love that.
02:53:32.000 Romero's body.
02:53:33.000 He's a freak of freaks, bro. 0.96
02:53:36.000 The freak of freaks. 0.85
02:53:36.000 Overeem vs. 0.85
02:53:37.000 Curtis Blades, too.
02:53:38.000 CM Punk!
02:53:39.000 Woo! 0.99
02:53:40.000 CM Punk vs. 0.96
02:53:41.000 Michael Jackson.
02:53:42.000 Both guys...
02:53:43.000 Holly's fighting? 0.97
02:53:44.000 Both guys are 0-1.
02:53:46.000 Holly Holmes fighting Megan Anderson. 1.00
02:53:48.000 Megan Anderson is a fucking killer, bro. 1.00
02:53:51.000 Megan Anderson, this is going to be her first fight in UFC. She's a legit beast and a challenge at 145. Look at this card! 1.00
02:53:58.000 She's legit as fuck. 1.00
02:53:59.000 Yeah, Mursad Bektik versus Ricardo Lamas. 1.00
02:54:01.000 That's fucking awesome. 0.98
02:54:03.000 Woo! 0.99
02:54:04.000 We got Arlovsky.
02:54:05.000 We got Legends.
02:54:06.000 Clay Guida versus Bobby Green.
02:54:08.000 Woo! 0.99
02:54:09.000 Rashad Evans.
02:54:10.000 Yeah.
02:54:11.000 Yeah, there's some good fights.
02:54:12.000 Real good fights.
02:54:13.000 God!
02:54:14.000 Yeah.
02:54:15.000 Oh, this is going to be the greatest.
02:54:16.000 Petavidas versus Pettis? 1.00
02:54:18.000 God damn. 1.00
02:54:19.000 Yeah. 1.00
02:54:19.000 This is very good. 1.00
02:54:20.000 Yeah.
02:54:21.000 Very good.
02:54:21.000 I really hope not all these fall through like normal.
02:54:26.000 Well, we have only a month.
02:54:30.000 And then it'll be Holly fighting Romero.
02:54:33.000 Ha ha! 0.86
02:54:35.000 That'll be all this left. 0.99
02:54:36.000 Robert Whittaker, Yoel Romero is a fucking banging fight for Chicago. 0.99
02:54:41.000 Yeah. 1.00
02:54:41.000 Goddamn. 1.00
02:54:42.000 Dos Anjos versus Covington, though. 0.99
02:54:44.000 That's the fight.
02:54:45.000 That's the fight. 1.00
02:54:46.000 Because Dos Anjos at 170 has been a fucking monster. 0.99
02:54:50.000 Because he's one of those guys that was cutting so much weight to make 155. He just couldn't take it anymore. 0.99
02:54:56.000 I mean, he was just beating his body up, and then he moves up to 170, and he looks like a fucking killer again. 0.99
02:55:03.000 He looks like a world-beater at 170, and he's been trying to fight Woodley, and he just beat the shit out of Robbie Lawler. 0.99
02:55:09.000 Yeah.
02:55:10.000 So that's a big fight for him and a big fight for Colby.
02:55:13.000 Oh, God.
02:55:14.000 For the interim title.
02:55:15.000 Yep.
02:55:16.000 Woo! 0.99
02:55:17.000 Can't wait.
02:55:18.000 Can't wait.
02:55:19.000 Chicago.
02:55:19.000 Was it the 8th?
02:55:20.000 9th.
02:55:21.000 June 9th.
02:55:22.000 I wish I could go into coma until then.
02:55:24.000 No, you don't.
02:55:25.000 Yes.
02:55:26.000 You have marathons to run.
02:55:26.000 Oh.
02:55:27.000 Arrows to shoot.
02:55:28.000 That's true.
02:55:28.000 Speaking of which, let's go shoot some arrows.
02:55:30.000 Let's do it.
02:55:30.000 Let's wrap this up.
02:55:31.000 All right, folks.
02:55:32.000 Michael Chandler will be here on Monday.
02:55:35.000 Yes.
02:55:35.000 I'm going to tell you who I got.
02:55:36.000 I got a lot of fucking people going down. 0.99
02:55:37.000 I got a lot of podcasts this week, kids. 0.99
02:55:39.000 I love Chandler.
02:55:40.000 Yeah, I love him too.
02:55:42.000 Matt Taibbi will be here this week.
02:55:44.000 My friend Mike Baker. 0.99
02:55:47.000 I got a lot of shit happening. 0.99
02:55:49.000 All right. 0.88
02:55:50.000 We'll see you soon, folks.
02:55:51.000 Love you.
02:55:51.000 Bye.