The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1115 - Mike Baker

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00:00:05.000 Mike Baker, ladies and gentlemen.

00:00:06.000 And we're live.

00:00:07.000 Ladies and gentlemen.

00:00:08.000 What's going on, buddy?

00:00:09.000 Yeah, the usual.

00:00:11.000 You're hiding from wolves over here?

00:00:13.000 That's right.

00:00:14.000 I left the state of Idaho because we're overrun with wolves.

00:00:18.000 Wolves and that's it.

00:00:19.000 Yeah, that's all we got.

00:00:20.000 I was just listening to a podcast where these guys were talking about wolves and about how they were hiking and they found four dead mature bull elk inside of like a couple mile stretch.

00:00:34.000 That had been torn apart by wolves and they started to freak out.

00:00:39.000 Well, I mean, two things we got this time of year.

00:00:41.000 We got a lot of wolves and we got a lot of rattlesnakes.

00:00:43.000 The rattlesnakes are starting to, you know, pop up and make their appearance.

00:00:45.000 It's getting a little warm.

00:00:46.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:00:47.000 And there are some seasons where you can't swing a dead cat without hitting a rattlesnake.

00:00:53.000 Really?

00:00:53.000 And of course, if you swing a dead cat, a wolf will show up.

00:00:55.000 So that's not a good idea in case anybody's wondering.

00:00:58.000 I've never been.

00:00:59.000 I'm going June 30th to Boise.

00:01:01.000 I just announced the tickets today.

00:01:03.000 That is fantastic.

00:01:04.000 I'm excited to be there, but I... I keep hearing about wolves.

00:01:07.000 Is that a real issue up there?

00:01:09.000 Or is it people just exaggerating?

00:01:10.000 Not at the CenturyLink arena.

00:01:11.000 It won't be a problem.

00:01:12.000 So you should be safe from that.

00:01:15.000 But yeah, bring your gear.

00:01:18.000 Idaho's an interesting place because it's a part-time legislature, which is the way I think all states should operate, which means everybody goes home to their jobs.

00:01:28.000 Well, if you look at the top of the state, the governor, Butch Otter, great guy, Brad Little, lieutenant governor, terrific guy.

00:01:35.000 They're both ranchers.

00:01:36.000 Full-time?

00:01:37.000 Yeah, basically.

00:01:40.000 They look at it from a different perspective.

00:01:44.000 Here in California, if you say you've got a wolf problem, that raises one perspective and one issue.

00:01:50.000 People go, no, we have a people problem.

00:01:52.000 The wolves are amazing.

00:01:55.000 Exactly.

00:01:56.000 Those wolves are so special.

00:01:58.000 And in a place like Idaho, or, you know, you get a place like Montana or somewhere else, I suppose, they look at it differently, right?

00:02:06.000 It's a working issue that you gotta sort out, particularly if you're a rancher or you're living off the land, whatever.

00:02:11.000 So...

00:02:12.000 But I tell you what, Boise's going to go crazy when they find out that you're coming up because it's a huge fan base.

00:02:18.000 They love you up there.

00:02:19.000 It's all people stop me and want to talk about, right?

00:02:21.000 I keep thinking, you know, someone says, I'm sorry for interrupting.

00:02:23.000 And I think, okay, they're going to ask maybe something about North Korea, right, or something about Iran or some bigot.

00:02:28.000 Not that you're not a big issue, but then they'll say, what's Joe like?

00:02:33.000 Well, that's kind of what I say.

00:02:36.000 You go, what about Iran?

00:02:37.000 What about North Korea? 1.00

00:02:39.000 You fucking kids today, you don't even care. 1.00

00:02:41.000 Damn it, did you know Joe's North Korean? 1.00

00:02:42.000 You didn't know that, did you? 1.00

00:02:43.000 I'm on the seat tip.

00:02:45.000 Oh, by the way, before I I need to say your biggest supporter, your biggest fan probably in the entire UK is a young fellow named Jack Burton.

00:02:57.000 I've known his family forever.

00:02:58.000 I've known this kid since he was a baby basically and going to school with my daughter.

00:03:04.000 And he is an enormous fan and highly respects what you do.

00:03:10.000 He's getting his master's in physics, and I promised him I'd give him a shout-out.

00:03:15.000 Shout-out to Jack Burton.

00:03:16.000 Jack Burton, man.

00:03:17.000 Stay out of Idaho, you'll get eaten by wolves.

00:03:18.000 Yeah, they don't have that problem in London, although that would make some kind of movie.

00:03:23.000 I think that's the werewolf out front.

00:03:25.000 Oh, that's right, yeah.

00:03:26.000 A great space, by the way.

00:03:27.000 Thank you.

00:03:27.000 Yeah, I haven't been here since you moved in.

00:03:29.000 I'll give you the full tour.

00:03:30.000 I didn't give you the gym side.

00:03:31.000 Did you go to the other side?

00:03:32.000 I have not, not yet, no.

00:03:33.000 The other side's where the gym is.

00:03:35.000 The gym and the indoor pool.

00:03:37.000 We've got a lot of stuff here.

00:03:38.000 Yeah.

00:03:39.000 It's a great...

00:03:39.000 How big is it?

00:03:40.000 It looks like about 200,000 square feet.

00:03:42.000 No, it's 14,000.

00:03:44.000 But compared to the last studio...

00:03:46.000 It's a lot bigger.

00:03:46.000 I got bored with that other place.

00:03:48.000 It's too little.

00:03:49.000 You've got to expand.

00:03:50.000 Well, you get your rollerblades out and you can go do laps or something. 0.99

00:03:53.000 So we've got a lot of shit to talk about, Mike Baker. 0.99

00:03:56.000 There's a lot going on in the world. 0.99

00:03:58.000 What are you scared about?

00:03:59.000 What should I be scared about?

00:04:01.000 Well, I mean, people are losing their minds right now over the past 24 hours because of Iran, right? 1.00

00:04:06.000 And so what you're hearing is you're hearing a lot of the critics of the current president, and apparently there are some, that are saying, oh, he's inching us closer to a military conflict with Iran.

00:04:18.000 Well, these are the same brainiacs that said he was inching us closer to a war with North Korea, and everybody was completely wrong on that.

00:04:25.000 I'm not saying that Rouhani and the others in the Iranian regime might not decide to become more bellicose, I think they're looking at it wrong.

00:04:34.000 I mean, this idea that – because there's a couple of parts.

00:04:37.000 Part one is that they're saying, oh, look, he doesn't have a plan B, implying that it's either this deal, which even our European allies say is inadequate, right, or it's a military conflict.

00:04:48.000 And that's kind of what the previous president was all about.

00:04:51.000 We either get this deal or we're having a military conflict.

00:04:53.000 Well, no, there's other things in the works.

00:04:55.000 There's other options in that decision tree.

00:04:59.000 And so I think that's a false premise.

00:05:02.000 And the other thing when they talk about it over the past 24 hours anyway is that, well, look at this.

00:05:07.000 This is going to make it harder to get a deal with Kim Jong-un from North Korea because he's going to think that we don't support our deals.

00:05:14.000 Well, I look at it a different way.

00:05:16.000 I think that Kim Jong-un is going to look at this and think – Okay, they're not going to put up with an inadequate deal, right?

00:05:22.000 So he's going to look at it and say, well, yeah, because nobody disagrees with the Iranian deal.

00:05:27.000 They want to talk about how, look, the Iranians are complying with it.

00:05:32.000 Well, the Iranians are complying with what they agreed to allow in the deal, which is none of their military sites.

00:05:39.000 The number of times inspectors have actually gotten on and inspected a military site, including Parchin, the most important military facility in Iran, since that deal was signed in 2015, was zero.

00:05:51.000 Haven't been there because the Iranians didn't agree to allow any of those sites in this deal.

00:05:58.000 So that's like saying, That's like saying if you're a serial killer, you'll allow the police to come in and search your home, but you can't go in the basement.

00:06:07.000 Not that all serial killers put their bodies in the basement, but I suspect that's the case.

00:06:12.000 So anyway, it's an interesting thing, and I guess I wanted to throw that out there right off the bat because I think Iran right now is consuming so much of the oxygen for people out there. 0.96

00:06:20.000 So people thinking that the reason why we're backing out of the deal is because the president's being unreasonable and we're forcing one. 0.99

00:06:27.000 You're just saying it's a shit deal, period. 0.98

00:06:30.000 Yeah, I think the idea that we have to stay in it because it's better than the alternative when the alternative, you know, being war. 0.98

00:06:38.000 Is not framing it properly.

00:06:41.000 I don't think that doesn't make any sense to me.

00:06:44.000 But I think that the fact that the UK, the French, the Germans have all agreed publicly that it's an inadequate deal and needs to be fixed, that tells you something.

00:06:53.000 But it also tells you that they have real strong financial incentives for continuing to do business in Iran.

00:06:59.000 And as do Russia and China, frankly, the other signatories.

00:07:04.000 So, you know, and also, here's the other part.

00:07:06.000 I mean, Trump, you know, what is it now?

00:07:08.000 We're 16 or 17 months into Trump's administration.

00:07:11.000 So it's not like he got into the White House and the next day, you know, he canned the deal.

00:07:16.000 He's been talking, but nobody listens to anything.

00:07:18.000 I'm not a supporter of Trump, necessarily.

00:07:20.000 I mean, I want the government to work.

00:07:21.000 So it's not that I'm supporting Trump.

00:07:23.000 I want the government to work, just like the previous administration.

00:07:25.000 I wasn't a supporter of Obama, but, hey, I want it to work.

00:07:28.000 I want good things to happen.

00:07:30.000 And so he went out there and there was some talk about, look, let's see if we can find some way to get rid of the sunset clause, some way to rein in their ballistic missile development program, some way, although it's not going to happen, to rein in all the...

00:07:46.000 You know, the shenanigans, if you want to call it that, that they're engaged in the Middle East.

00:07:51.000 And, you know, that didn't happen.

00:07:53.000 So I think he, you know, took a step that is not as god-awful as his critics would like us to believe.

00:08:02.000 Well, isn't that a real problem?

00:08:04.000 I know your phone's going off over there, little fella.

00:08:06.000 Oh. 1.00

00:08:07.000 Damn it. 1.00

00:08:08.000 You've got to check your watch, too. 1.00

00:08:09.000 What a world we're living in.

00:08:10.000 I know.

00:08:11.000 Look at that.

00:08:11.000 I know.

00:08:12.000 This is good.

00:08:12.000 Your phone.

00:08:13.000 You've got to check your watch.

00:08:14.000 My wife got me this.

00:08:16.000 This Apple.

00:08:18.000 Does it float?

00:08:19.000 It does.

00:08:20.000 It's waterproof, I think, to a certain period of time.

00:08:23.000 But it...

00:08:24.000 It does all sorts of things.

00:08:25.000 I don't have a clue what it does.

00:08:26.000 She got it for me so I could check my heart rate.

00:08:30.000 And just, you know, for health reasons.

00:08:31.000 Just, you know, if I'm out running or working out.

00:08:33.000 And she said, yeah, you should have something like that.

00:08:35.000 Because I refuse to wear a Fitbit or whatever they call it.

00:08:38.000 What's the difference between a Fitbit and that?

00:08:40.000 Well, this, it's like Dick Tracy.

00:08:41.000 If I knew how to do it, I could talk on my phone.

00:08:44.000 I could answer it.

00:08:45.000 It rings.

00:08:46.000 I have no clue.

00:08:48.000 It can't be too hard.

00:08:49.000 I don't think it's that hard.

00:08:50.000 Let's try it on air.

00:08:51.000 Yeah, okay.

00:08:52.000 Somebody call me.

00:08:53.000 Somebody give me a shout. 0.96

00:08:55.000 It seems like a great thing, but honestly, God, the only thing I've used it so far is to glance at the time and then to check my heart rate.

00:09:01.000 All the other crap on there, and everything happens on it.

00:09:04.000 So if I'm using my phone for directions, I get directions on my watch.

00:09:07.000 I mean, it's a little bit overwhelming, so I'm going to go back to a normal watch, I think.

00:09:12.000 And if my heart gives out, it gives out.

00:09:13.000 Yeah, I got this G-Shock. 1.00

00:09:16.000 It does all kinds of shit. 0.99

00:09:18.000 Never used it once. 1.00

00:09:20.000 I used the time part. 0.99

00:09:22.000 With all the altimeter and it works as a compass and all kinds of shit. 0.90

00:09:27.000 I've never... 0.95

00:09:27.000 Compass is good. 0.95

00:09:28.000 I think a compass is good.

00:09:30.000 It's good to have.

00:09:31.000 We spent a long time, and this is how old I'm getting, I guess, but in our early training...

00:09:38.000 We spent a long time working maps and compass, right?

00:09:40.000 You know, shooting azimuth and figuring out where you're at and trying to...

00:09:43.000 Shooting azimuth?

00:09:45.000 Yeah, you know, I mean, well, figuring out...

00:09:47.000 You're basically...

00:09:47.000 I don't want to oversimplify this, but you're basically triangulating and figuring out where you are at any given point in time.

00:09:54.000 Right.

00:09:54.000 Why do you call it azimuth?

00:09:55.000 Yeah, that is a very good question and not one that I asked when I was in the outfit.

00:10:01.000 I was one of those people that would just accept things as they were told to me.

00:10:05.000 And that's why I got along so well.

00:10:07.000 I never questioned anything, which is an interesting point.

00:10:10.000 I don't want to roam all over this place, but...

00:10:14.000 Today was confirmation hearings for Gina Haspel. 0.56

00:10:18.000 And I'll caveat this by saying I'm a big supporter of hers.

00:10:21.000 I think she's an outstanding choice for this.

00:10:23.000 And she's the new head of the CIA. Right. 0.99

00:10:25.000 The new director-designate for the CIA. And so today she went up on Capitol Hill, had open and then subsequently closed-door session with the senators.

00:10:38.000 And some of the senators, the reason I bring this up is because a handful of the senators were asking her and seemed focused on saying, well, how about this rendition program, the rendition and interrogation program?

00:10:51.000 How did you feel about it?

00:10:54.000 You know, morally, you know, did you have any quandaries?

00:10:57.000 You know, we know that the agency was doing what was allowed within the Department of Justice because the Office of Legal Counsel was directing that from the Department of Justice for that program all those years ago.

00:11:08.000 And laws have subsequently changed.

00:11:10.000 But at the time, they didn't want to necessarily talk about that because I don't think they wanted to highlight the fact that the DOJ had said this is, you know, what is able to be done.

00:11:20.000 So instead, they focused on how did you feel?

00:11:23.000 And I guess the reason I bring it up is because when I was in the outfit, I'm not a deep thinker, right?

00:11:29.000 So I never stood around and thought to myself, how do I feel about this on any given moment, right?

00:11:33.000 No matter what we were doing, it never occurred to me to sit there and question it, you know, as long as we knew what we were doing was proper and legal and was pursuit of, you know, tasking from national security concerns.

00:11:45.000 Then, yeah, and I don't think you want your military or your intel service, I don't think you want everybody out there at the pointy edge of the spear, you know, saying, well, I'm going to do things based on how I feel about it in the moment.

00:11:56.000 And it just seemed like a strange line of questioning.

00:11:59.000 That is a strange line of questioning.

00:12:00.000 Who was responsible for that?

00:12:02.000 Let me think.

00:12:03.000 There were actually three or four, yeah.

00:12:05.000 Senator Reid and...

00:12:08.000 All Democrats, obviously.

00:12:12.000 So what they did then was different than what is legal today.

00:12:16.000 Is that the case?

00:12:17.000 Yes, exactly.

00:12:18.000 So the DOJ, in the wake of 9-11...

00:12:22.000 I mean, there's so much here.

00:12:23.000 I mean, in the wake of 9-11...

00:12:25.000 You think about the context.

00:12:26.000 Most people, you know, young people don't even know what it feels like, right?

00:12:29.000 I mean, you know, and other people have forgotten or they're just tired of it all and they don't want to think about it.

00:12:34.000 But in the wake of 9-11, there was a feeling, there was a sense, right, that it was going to happen again.

00:12:41.000 And there certainly was evidence and there was a very large effort here to try to ensure that we protected American lives.

00:12:51.000 So the DOJ was issuing very clear guidance on what could and could not be done for the rendition and interrogation program.

00:12:59.000 And that guidance was then provided to the general counsel, the agency.

00:13:03.000 That was then disseminated to personnel out in the field.

00:13:06.000 And tell people, so if they're just listening to this for the first time, what you used to do for the CIA so they understand that you're coming from a position of – you actually understand this stuff.

00:13:14.000 Yeah, I was in the operations directorate.

00:13:17.000 So the agency is made up of, essentially, they change the name sometimes, but four directorates.

00:13:22.000 So you have operations, you have intelligence, which is all the smart people, the reports or officers, or sorry, the analysts.

00:13:28.000 You have science and technology, which is where they develop all the amazing gear that comes out of the agency, a lot of which then ends up in the commercial sector.

00:13:35.000 So if anybody's walking around with a defibrillator, that battery technology came out of S&T research, drones, satellite technology.

00:13:44.000 The U-2 stealth program, U-2, you know, plane was developed out of and run out of the agency.

00:13:49.000 So incredible things would come out of there.

00:13:51.000 And then admin.

00:13:52.000 But I was in the operations directorate and worked on everything from counter-narcotics operations to...

00:14:08.000 I think we're good to go.

00:14:27.000 There's a sense of...

00:14:29.000 We're not putting it in context of the time and the national mood.

00:14:33.000 And that's a dangerous thing because the laws were different than they are now.

00:14:38.000 And they were different...

00:14:39.000 And what that means is that because in the wake of 9-11...

00:14:44.000 And I don't want to say that values change, but I think that they do in the sense of what people are willing to do.

00:14:52.000 And whether you're talking about, okay, we're willing to have a rendition interrogation program in the wake of 9-11.

00:14:57.000 Now we're not, of course.

00:15:03.000 Anyway, I think there's a danger to that line of questioning where they kept talking about how did you feel about it.

00:15:11.000 They're mixing this, and I'm not eloquent enough to explain it, but I found it fascinating that that was a question they wanted to focus on.

00:15:19.000 I think there's a real danger to people or for people that don't have any experience in actual war or really understand combat or really understand What can happen and what can go wrong in talking about it with the same sort of language that you would use to describe office politics?

00:15:41.000 Yes.

00:15:42.000 See, that's what I was trying to say.

00:15:45.000 How do you feel?

00:15:47.000 How do you feel about this?

00:15:48.000 We don't want a bad work environment.

00:15:49.000 Should we torture?

00:15:50.000 No, we want to save lives, but we don't want this guy to feel bad.

00:15:54.000 We don't want him to feel bad.

00:15:55.000 I mean, look, there was actually this – some people were entertaining the idea that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed would come out and talk – To the senators, you know, as they're going through this confirmation process about what?

00:16:08.000 Explain who he is.

00:16:09.000 Well, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was a mastermind of 9-11. 0.87

00:16:12.000 And he actually requested to talk about her.

00:16:16.000 Right.

00:16:17.000 And about his – I guess I just wanted to reflect on the whole – from his perspective.

00:16:23.000 And isn't he still locked up?

00:16:24.000 Yeah.

00:16:24.000 He's still in Guantanamo Bay?

00:16:26.000 Yeah. 0.50

00:16:26.000 God forbid he should rot in jail. 0.50

00:16:28.000 But I think that's sort of where we've come to.

00:16:33.000 And I think in part, again, because there's distance, right?

00:16:35.000 There's time.

00:16:38.000 So anyway, she should, again, she should be confirmed.

00:16:42.000 The whole rendition interrogation program was reviewed ad nauseum, thousands of pages written.

00:16:48.000 And interestingly enough, a lot of the people up there on the Hill right now in this confirmation process, the senators, who are saying that they need to know more are the same ones who were there before.

00:16:57.000 So theoretically, either they didn't read all the material that was given to them about this, or they've forgotten it, or they're, you know, or in reality, this is more about Trump than it is about her, which...

00:17:07.000 I don't want to be shocking anyone by saying that perhaps there's political grandstanding going on.

00:17:13.000 No way.

00:17:13.000 But she is eminently qualified.

00:17:15.000 That never happens.

00:17:15.000 No, it wouldn't happen up there.

00:17:17.000 Not in America.

00:17:17.000 Maybe somewhere else.

00:17:18.000 Not here.

00:17:19.000 So you support her.

00:17:21.000 You think she's an excellent choice.

00:17:23.000 Look, seven operational tours, several management positions, and I guess at the end of the day, it comes down to I would rather have somebody Who's gone through that experience.

00:17:35.000 She played a small role.

00:17:35.000 She was not a senior person.

00:17:37.000 By the way, John Brennan was far more senior in the organization at the time of that program being run.

00:17:42.000 And he was confirmed as President Obama's director.

00:17:46.000 So maybe the senators have a different standard for a female candidate. 1.00

00:17:49.000 I don't know.

00:17:50.000 Do you think it's that or do you think it's maybe more time since 9-11?

00:17:54.000 You know, obviously, Obama came into office, it was not that long after 9-11.

00:18:00.000 There was still, you know, seven years later, still thoughts in people's mind about it.

00:18:04.000 Well, interesting enough, I mean, that was in 2013 when he was confirmed.

00:18:07.000 But in 2009, He was – they wanted to confirm or they wanted to bring him up as the appointee for the director of the CIA. Again, it would have been President Obama's first term, but they decided not to because they – for the reason that they thought, well, maybe it's too close to after the – and they didn't want to go through the heartburn of having this process.

00:18:24.000 So instead, they brought him into the White House.

00:18:26.000 He became assistant to the president and deputy national security dude for counterterrorism.

00:18:31.000 And then four years later, they brought him in as a – they confirmed him as the director for the CIA. So – I guess – and he has now come out in support of Gina Haspel, the new director-designate.

00:18:43.000 So I think she will get there, as she should.

00:18:45.000 The focus should be going forward.

00:18:47.000 She's been very clear about we are not revisiting the old days of rendition interrogation.

00:18:53.000 It's not going to happen.

00:18:54.000 And she's been very clear about that, including today during the hearing.

00:18:57.000 So hopefully it will get done because it would be nice to think the senators would do their job and choose somebody who's appropriate for the job. 0.71

00:19:06.000 Well, it's strange who gets to choose and who doesn't get to choose who runs an organization like the CIA and whether or not they have an actual understanding of what goes on behind the scenes.

00:19:19.000 Yeah, that's a really good point because some of the questions today from some of the senators made you believe that perhaps they don't really.

00:19:25.000 They do.

00:19:26.000 I don't want to be glib.

00:19:27.000 You know, look, they all sit on the committees.

00:19:29.000 They theoretically are privy to all this information.

00:19:31.000 There is a very well-worn path that goes from Langley where the agency headquarters is based up to Capitol Hill from briefers going back and forth and back and forth and discussing programs and that, you know, they're classified material, but these people, the Gang of Eight, the people that are the minority majority leaders,

00:19:48.000 the heads of the committees, The intel committees, they're all privy to this information.

00:19:52.000 And they were all privy to the information about the rendition program and the interrogation program.

00:19:57.000 And they all knew about it.

00:19:59.000 There were no objections raised at that time, 2002, 2003. So these people all knew about it.

00:20:03.000 So maybe those senators are asking her how she feels about it now.

00:20:06.000 Maybe they should turn around and look in the mirror and ask themselves how they feel about it.

00:20:09.000 But they're not going to do that.

00:20:11.000 So anyway, enough said.

00:20:13.000 She's eminently qualified.

00:20:14.000 Should happen.

00:20:15.000 Because we've got big issues.

00:20:17.000 We've got Iran. 0.97

00:20:17.000 We've got North Korea. 0.97

00:20:18.000 We've got dealings with China and the South Pacific.

00:20:22.000 We've got issues with Russia.

00:20:24.000 We've got a lot of things going on.

00:20:25.000 Oh, I know what I really wanted to ask you about because we've been discussing this and I don't really understand it.

00:20:29.000 It was about Huawei, that Chinese company, electronics company.

00:20:35.000 They make these kick-ass phones and the State Department has said, please do not buy them.

00:20:42.000 Yes.

00:20:42.000 Yeah.

00:20:43.000 Along with ZTE, another corporation.

00:20:47.000 If you start from the premise that...

00:20:50.000 That China is the number one perpetrator of economic espionage and theft of intellectual property. 0.86

00:20:56.000 And also, by the way, the number one perpetrator out there of cyber shenanigans, you know, activity in cyberspace.

00:21:02.000 It's so bad with theft of intellectual property.

00:21:05.000 They have fake Apple stores over in China with all fake Apple stuff.

00:21:11.000 Yes.

00:21:12.000 Fake Apple laptops, fake Apple phones, everything fake.

00:21:16.000 The labels look identical.

00:21:18.000 None of it is actually Apple products.

00:21:20.000 And it all works, frankly, as well.

00:21:23.000 Does it?

00:21:23.000 Yeah.

00:21:24.000 I mean, it's all good stuff.

00:21:25.000 You know, I would say that, yeah, it's astounding.

00:21:29.000 And so...

00:21:32.000 The reason why they're raising the alarm with Huawei and ZTE is because of the voracious appetite of the Chinese government and their commercial sector for information.

00:21:49.000 It's a little bit like, you know, shutting the door after the horse is headed down the hill because we're late to the game.

00:21:56.000 They've been doing this for years and years and years.

00:21:58.000 They've been, oddly enough, you know, a lot of our military gear have parts in it manufactured in China, right?

00:22:04.000 And so, you know, we should have been raising the concern about this and talking with China and trying to come to terms with this issue years ago.

00:22:14.000 I mean, we're trying to have that conversation with them now.

00:22:17.000 And up on Capitol Hill, you know, the Congress is trying to enact legislation, kind of like this Huawei thing.

00:22:24.000 They're doing it in a clumsy fashion, but the overriding principle is correct in that China made some decisions years ago that they were going to become a major power in the world. 0.77

00:22:37.000 In a certain timeframe.

00:22:38.000 And to do that, by definition, you've got to compress your research and development time, right?

00:22:44.000 And there's one way to do that, essentially, and that's to steal information, to acquire information if I want to be diplomatic about it.

00:22:51.000 And that's what they've done.

00:22:53.000 Japan came out of World War II and their idea was we're going to become a major power through manufacturing.

00:22:57.000 So they did.

00:22:58.000 They built up their manufacturing base and created this amazing result.

00:23:03.000 China decided we're going to skip the R&D for the most part, and all of that entails the cost and time involved, and they're very adept at it.

00:23:13.000 They throw an enormous amount of resource out there into hoovering up everything, not just from us, but from everybody.

00:23:19.000 And using that to advance their goals.

00:23:22.000 They have no firewall between their intel service, the PLA, military intelligence and others, and their commercial sector.

00:23:30.000 So not only are they there to protect national security, they're there to promote the commercial side of China.

00:23:39.000 And that's why it's so important.

00:23:40.000 And so that's why they're talking about Huawei, because of the potential for them to use their reach to further their desire for information, whatever it may be.

00:23:51.000 They'll hoover it up and then decide whether it's useful or not.

00:23:54.000 But they have the resource to do that as opposed to, you know, a smaller country that maybe doesn't have the resource and is much more targeted and focused.

00:24:01.000 On their intel collection or their efforts to gather information.

00:24:05.000 So that's sort of a, you know, that was a wordy explanation.

00:24:10.000 No, but it makes sense.

00:24:11.000 And when I read it, I read a bunch of tech articles where people were questioning whether or not it's even possible for Huawei to be using those phones to spy on people.

00:24:21.000 But then there were some other articles where Huawei was being charged with, what was it again that they were using?

00:24:27.000 They were selling illegal technology to Iran?

00:24:31.000 There was something...

00:24:32.000 They were breaking the sanctions, I think.

00:24:34.000 Yeah, they were...

00:24:35.000 No!

00:24:36.000 No, I'm saying shocked.

00:24:39.000 No!

00:24:39.000 That couldn't happen.

00:24:40.000 Yeah, but is...

00:24:42.000 Wow.

00:24:43.000 So they were selling things to Iran, and this was a big part of it.

00:24:49.000 What the tech people were saying, they were incredulous.

00:24:52.000 Here, Huawei under...

00:24:54.000 Is that you again? 1.00

00:24:55.000 You son of a bitch? 1.00

00:24:55.000 Jesus Christ. 1.00

00:24:56.000 I've turned this thing off, too.

00:24:58.000 I don't understand why it keeps going.

00:24:59.000 It's your watch!

00:25:01.000 You know what I'm gonna do?

00:25:02.000 I would put it on airplane mode, but I don't have a clue how to put it on airplane mode.

00:25:06.000 I gotta swipe up from the bottom.

00:25:07.000 I gotta swipe up from the bottom.

00:25:10.000 Okay, everybody get your phones out. 0.99

00:25:11.000 Your fucking watch is ringing. 1.00

00:25:13.000 Get your watch out. 1.00

00:25:14.000 I feel like Dick Tracy.

00:25:16.000 It really does feel like Dick Tracy. 0.96

00:25:17.000 When we were kids, the idea of talking on your phone would be so ridiculous.

00:25:21.000 That's never going to happen.

00:25:22.000 Can you do that for me?

00:25:24.000 You've got your password on.

00:25:27.000 Oh, Christ.

00:25:28.000 When you take it off, the password comes on immediately.

00:25:30.000 Oh, really?

00:25:30.000 As soon as you take it off?

00:25:31.000 No, no, that's a dial tone.

00:25:32.000 That's a keyboard.

00:25:33.000 Oh, that's the keyboard.

00:25:33.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:25:34.000 I don't even know.

00:25:34.000 Oh, Jesus Christ.

00:25:44.000 It's hilarious because you're talking about technology and then this happens. 1.00

00:25:49.000 So we're talking about whether or not we should be worried about Huawei and you can't even figure out how to use your fucking watch. 0.99

00:25:54.000 That's perfectly understandable. 0.99

00:25:55.000 Anybody that knows me...

00:25:56.000 Knows that that's the case because, I mean, and to be fair, back in the old days, again, we had compasses and maps.

00:26:02.000 But even when we started developing new technology and gear, quite frankly, if you've got to go out and do anything, the first thing you do is throw everything away that's got a battery in it.

00:26:12.000 And so we weren't necessarily...

00:26:15.000 You dumb it down because you assume something's going to go wrong.

00:26:18.000 And usually it does.

00:26:20.000 And usually it's based on kit, on gear.

00:26:23.000 And so, yeah, I never really became very adept at it.

00:26:27.000 We've got a...

00:26:28.000 I got these three little boys, Scooter, Sluggo, and Muggsy, and I got them...

00:26:34.000 Those are hilarious names.

00:26:35.000 And they're hilarious.

00:26:36.000 They're great kids.

00:26:37.000 But we got a gaming system.

00:26:40.000 I'm trying to remember what the hell...

00:26:41.000 Xbox or PlayStation?

00:26:44.000 Xbox.

00:26:44.000 It's at Xbox.

00:26:47.000 Because my youngest, Muggsy, he's six, and so he's still trying to pronounce his words, right?

00:26:53.000 So it's Xbox, and it's very cute.

00:26:56.000 I can't do it. 0.97

00:26:56.000 It sounds stupid when I do it. 0.97

00:26:57.000 When he does it, it's enormously cute. 0.98

00:26:59.000 So we got this thing, and I'll sit there with him and try to play like NBA 2K or something, and it just doesn't work.

00:27:05.000 It's not intuitive to me, right?

00:27:06.000 There's nothing that's intuitive about it.

00:27:08.000 Kids know how to... 0.99

00:27:09.000 Fanagle shit and press the right button. 1.00

00:27:11.000 They're not scared of it. 1.00

00:27:12.000 They just assume they're going to get it.

00:27:14.000 They can unlock hidden characters by moving the joystick a funny way.

00:27:18.000 Yeah, Muggsy talks to LeBron James directly.

00:27:20.000 Apparently they communicate through Xbox now.

00:27:22.000 Interesting.

00:27:22.000 Yeah, I know.

00:27:23.000 There you go.

00:27:24.000 So the tech people that are skeptical, what they're saying is that if Huawei really did have something in their phones that allowed them to spy on people, you'd be able to find it.

00:27:37.000 And the tech guys would find it.

00:27:39.000 Do you buy that?

00:27:43.000 Here's what I would say about that, is that I'm sure there's obviously a lot of very smart tech guys within diligence for all your information and security needs.

00:27:53.000 We have some very smart tech people.

00:27:56.000 But when you're talking about the Chinese state and the resources and capabilities that that entails, yes, if you're saying that NSA could possibly detect this, but if you're talking about just dispersing kit out into the marketplace, And the way that that thing gets spread and disseminated and inserted into companies and then potentially allows points of access into these businesses.

00:28:20.000 And again, it doesn't matter.

00:28:21.000 It's not like they just have to go after IBM or Raytheon or something.

00:28:25.000 They're going after everything because it potentially is all of interest to them.

00:28:29.000 So their idea is to just steal as much technology and as much intellectual property as they can and recreate it over in China. 0.94

00:28:36.000 That has been the plan.

00:28:37.000 I don't want to keep – I don't want to – Demonize an entire nation.

00:28:40.000 Right.

00:28:41.000 Exactly.

00:28:41.000 But they have proven themselves enormously adept at doing this.

00:28:45.000 And they've – and not that others don't, right?

00:28:48.000 Russia does the same thing.

00:28:49.000 A variety of others.

00:28:51.000 Even a lot of our allies.

00:28:52.000 Everybody, to the degree that – They have the resources and the motivation and they consider it an issue related to national security, whatever it might be.

00:28:59.000 They're willing to do it.

00:29:01.000 They're willing to try.

00:29:02.000 So it is interesting.

00:29:05.000 But yeah, the Huawei thing and the ZTE, again, I think the rollout of that concern and the rollout of sort of trying to provide guidance has been a little clumsy.

00:29:14.000 Yeah.

00:29:15.000 So, one thing that was speculation was that people didn't have to worry about the phones, but what essentially they're trying to do is cripple the company financially and not allow them to get a foothold in America, because they're the third largest cell phone manufacturer in the world.

00:29:31.000 Number one, Apple.

00:29:32.000 Number two, Samsung.

00:29:34.000 They're number three, but in America, no one knows who they are.

00:29:37.000 And so the idea is, what they're trying to do is make sure that the Chinese government It doesn't get a foothold in this country where those companies, or Huawei, the company Huawei, becomes a popular brand for people to buy.

00:29:50.000 And that would allow them, even if they didn't have any spy device on this phone, it would allow them to get other devices into people's homes that could potentially spy on them.

00:29:59.000 And then more importantly, get into companies and spy on the companies.

00:30:03.000 And this is one of the pieces of speculation that I read about was that they had certain servers That we're sending an exorbitant amount of information out, and they were trying to figure out what was going on with them, and that there was like an excessive amount of information, data, 0.97

00:30:19.000 that was leaving the servers versus coming in, and they're like, this really seems like some fucked up shit's going on with this. 0.95

00:30:26.000 Right. 0.89

00:30:26.000 Huawei, first of all, Huawei's already present here in the country. 0.89

00:30:30.000 They manufacture a lot of things besides phones, and so they've already got a pretty big footprint in this country, and with our allies as well.

00:30:37.000 So, I think it's smart to consider the nature of a particular regime or government when you're talking about the potential for their products to enter into the commercial sector where They may have access because if they've shown a pattern of activity for acquiring intellectual property,

00:31:06.000 which is again a very delicate way to put it, then I don't think it's a stretch to say we should be concerned by their efforts to put communications gear, even if it seems pedestrian at the outset.

00:31:22.000 I'm not sure that I'm buying the idea that it's some nefarious plan to shut out Huawei so that they don't get a foothold in the phone business.

00:31:32.000 No.

00:31:32.000 And I say that because I've been, you know, 30 years, I've been You know, dealing with the Chinese in terms of their efforts to acquire information, both in the government and the commercial side of things.

00:31:44.000 So I come at it from a very cynical point of view, much like I do with the Iranian issue and the likelihood that they have not been living up to, you know, their part of the bargain. 0.99

00:31:57.000 And people will say, well, again, I go back to the same thing.

00:31:59.000 Well, we've been inspecting and they've been complying with all of that.

00:32:02.000 Well, yeah.

00:32:03.000 You know, this limited amount of inspection that we have to their civilian sites.

00:32:07.000 It's not a secret, you know, at this point.

00:32:11.000 It shouldn't be a secret that, again, we have no access to their military facilities.

00:32:14.000 So I tend to look at things in that view, and I... If I see a pattern of activity, I'm very reluctant to think they're somehow going to stop that pattern of activity for whatever reason.

00:32:26.000 So again, North Korea, same thing.

00:32:28.000 The problem with all of this, North Korea, Iran, Syrian chemical weapons, the problem with all of that, I realize I'm kind of jumping around.

00:32:33.000 I'm just...

00:32:34.000 Huawei's over here, but...

00:32:37.000 Is the verification issue.

00:32:39.000 It's always the weak link in any type of agreement related to containing a weapons program is verification.

00:32:46.000 And we know that.

00:32:48.000 It's something we should know anyway.

00:32:49.000 We seem to keep forgetting it.

00:32:51.000 So unless we can lock that down with the North Koreans, then a deal with them or a deal with the Iranians or a deal with the Syrians over their chemical weapons efforts, it's not worth anything. 0.89

00:33:04.000 So that's where the focus has to be.

00:33:06.000 And for whatever reason, the previous administration was keen to get this deal done, and they were willing to set aside this issue of all the military sites, set aside the issue of ballistic missiles.

00:33:17.000 And by the way, the deal that the president has just scuttled...

00:33:21.000 Did nothing to impact or affect or tamp down or moderate their behavior.

00:33:29.000 They've got more influence in the Middle East than they've had ever before.

00:33:32.000 They're engaged in more activity related to, you know, the countries in the Middle East against our interests than they have been in decades.

00:33:43.000 So that all by itself should tell us, well, I'm not saying that they're using all the money we gave them to support actions against our interests by Hezbollah or by the Revolutionary Guard or others, but they are.

00:33:58.000 And so, again, I don't have a lot of angst over the idea that we step away from the deal for a period of time.

00:34:05.000 Maybe we can come up with something better.

00:34:07.000 And we should.

00:34:08.000 We should always keep diplomacy open.

00:34:10.000 Always have a channel of communications.

00:34:12.000 That's important.

00:34:13.000 Keep doing that.

00:34:14.000 But be pragmatic and realistic about what you got.

00:34:17.000 Right now, we don't have that much.

00:34:19.000 And don't buy Huawei phones.

00:34:21.000 They make a great phone.

00:34:25.000 But that came up in the CIA confirmationary.

00:34:27.000 Oh, really?

00:34:28.000 Yeah.

00:34:28.000 They literally said, I forget which senator it was, asked Gina Haspel about Huawei and ZTE. And I don't know where they were going with it, but then it devolved into just trying to get us all those Senate confirmation questions due.

00:34:42.000 It just The senator's saying, well, I just want a yes or no answer.

00:34:45.000 Like, wait a minute, why don't you want some detail?

00:34:48.000 So they say, yes or no, would you buy Huawei?

00:34:50.000 And Gina Haspel was like, well, no, I wouldn't buy a Huawei phone.

00:34:54.000 Okay.

00:34:55.000 I'm staying.

00:34:55.000 There's your answer.

00:34:56.000 But I'm sure it left a lot of people wondering and scratching their heads thinking, what are they talking about Chinese phones for?

00:35:01.000 That's a weird thing to ask someone, yes or no.

00:35:04.000 It seems like it was a pretty complex situation.

00:35:07.000 Yeah, are we going to take care of North Korea, yes or no? 0.98

00:35:11.000 What does that mean?

00:35:13.000 Well, you know what, it becomes a bit of a sideshow, and it's a format as well.

00:35:16.000 Any confirmation hearing is, you know, five minutes for each senator, and you can't, you know, they spend three minutes making a statement, you know, that they can then, you know, send back in sound clips to their constituents.

00:35:27.000 Maybe they get a question in, and it kind of goes from there.

00:35:31.000 So it's...

00:35:32.000 You don't really learn much, which is fine.

00:35:34.000 They learn a lot in the closed-door sessions, and we rely on the senators to make decisions when it's classified information on behalf of the people they represent.

00:35:40.000 So that's how it's supposed to work.

00:35:42.000 Eh, what do I know?

00:35:45.000 I always like to finish my sentences with, what do I know?

00:35:47.000 And my wife always says, why do you do that? 0.62

00:35:51.000 You're leaving the impression that you don't know anything.

00:35:54.000 It's good.

00:35:54.000 It gets you off the hook a little bit.

00:35:56.000 Let me get out of here. 0.99

00:35:57.000 What do I know?

00:35:58.000 See ya!

00:35:59.000 It is what it is.

00:35:59.000 Think about what I said.

00:36:01.000 What the fuck do I know? 0.99

00:36:02.000 It's like running up the flagpole. 0.99

00:36:03.000 See who salutes.

00:36:05.000 What are you most concerned with?

00:36:08.000 If you look at all the international stuff that's going on.

00:36:13.000 Yeah, that's a really good question.

00:36:16.000 Is there one thing that you don't think people are looking at?

00:36:19.000 Well, I give people a lot of credit.

00:36:22.000 I think people are a lot more...

00:36:29.000 I mean, listen to conversations I have when people want to talk about something other than Joe Rogan, I get the impression that they're paying attention to what's happening out there.

00:36:38.000 You know, Iran, is it a big deal?

00:36:42.000 Well, it is a big deal, but it's a regional issue, and I think there is a way we're going to get some success here.

00:36:50.000 I think it actually is going to work out to our benefit.

00:36:55.000 I'm not buying the doomsayers who say it's all heading to a conflict.

00:36:59.000 So I am not looking at that one.

00:37:03.000 Nothing really stands out.

00:37:05.000 I guess if you said what's the biggest concern from a security perspective to the country, it would be the same thing it's been last year and the year before and for a number of years, which is the frailty of our infrastructure and its susceptibility to either cyber attack or physical attack.

00:37:20.000 And that's...

00:37:21.000 It's like the power grid, the internet.

00:37:24.000 Yeah, all of that.

00:37:25.000 Banking system, water.

00:37:27.000 Russian submarines camped out over the internet lines in the ocean.

00:37:31.000 I know.

00:37:32.000 Which sounds like a Cold War movie, right?

00:37:34.000 But it happens.

00:37:35.000 I mean, the Russians never thought there was a peace dividend from the end of the Cold War.

00:37:39.000 They never thought the Cold War ended.

00:37:41.000 We all act surprised that Putin was engaged in meddling in the 2016 election.

00:37:45.000 Of course he was.

00:37:46.000 They've been doing that forever.

00:37:48.000 And we have to them as well, right?

00:37:50.000 Oh, I don't know about that.

00:37:56.000 Wink, wink, nudge, nudge.

00:37:58.000 Maybe from a defensive point of view.

00:38:00.000 Sure, we're just looking out for our own interests.

00:38:02.000 Here's what I would say about that is, and again, everybody speaks from their own experience.

00:38:06.000 People have their own perspective.

00:38:08.000 My perspective is based on what I've seen in a lot of places around this planet.

00:38:14.000 We better hope we do it, and we better hope we do it well, because it's a very aggressive world out there.

00:38:19.000 And so when people kind of roll their eyes and go, oh, well...

00:38:23.000 We do it as well.

00:38:25.000 So we're kind of like dismissing the whole activity.

00:38:27.000 I guess my point is, yeah, I get what you're saying.

00:38:30.000 I'm not saying it from a self-righteous point that the Chinese are very good at acquiring intellectual property, or I'm not saying it from a self-righteous point that the Russians have been meddling in our elections.

00:38:39.000 I'm just saying that's the way it is.

00:38:41.000 You better hope we do it very, very well.

00:38:43.000 That's my argument for people that are super progressive and really liberal when it comes to these conversations.

00:38:48.000 I always say, alright, if the world is the way it's described, if China really is constantly meddling, if Russia is really actively trying to sabotage our elections, if Iran is really doing what they're – what should we do?

00:39:07.000 You don't think that we should be involved in meddling?

00:39:09.000 You don't think you should be involved in manipulating or monitoring or making sure that our interests are safe or that we're not going to get attacked?

00:39:16.000 The idea that we're never going to get attacked again or no one's going to get attacked, that doesn't even...

00:39:20.000 When you look at human history, that is completely preposterous. 0.99

00:39:24.000 The idea that all attacks and all war is going to somehow or another stop because you eat vegan, that's fucking crazy! 0.95

00:39:31.000 I mean, that's a crazy way to look at the world, and that leaves you incredibly vulnerable to attack. 0.98

00:39:36.000 No, it does.

00:39:36.000 It does.

00:39:37.000 But you're right.

00:39:38.000 I hadn't thought about it.

00:39:38.000 But that is this notion that if we just – we have to speak to our better angels.

00:39:44.000 Yeah.

00:39:44.000 Oh, Jesus.

00:39:45.000 Well, that's great because nobody else is going to.

00:39:47.000 Right.

00:39:47.000 Every other nation acts in its own best interest.

00:39:49.000 And we're the ones who seem to always apologize for it.

00:39:51.000 But we better hope that we do because it is a chaotic, messy, aggressive place out there.

00:39:56.000 And you may want it to be different, but it's not.

00:39:59.000 And it's kind of like that questioning today in the CIA-designate confirmation hearing, how do you feel about it?

00:40:05.000 Well, at the end of the day, it doesn't matter how you feel about it.

00:40:07.000 What are the laws on the books?

00:40:08.000 Follow those laws.

00:40:10.000 Protect the American interests and national security.

00:40:13.000 And if you don't feel good about it, then leave and go do something else.

00:40:17.000 But this idea that somehow we're all going to – could you imagine a combat gate out there and half of them decide, well, I don't really feel good about this particular action.

00:40:26.000 Maybe we should stay back.

00:40:28.000 That's not how the world works.

00:40:30.000 So I don't know.

00:40:32.000 Hey, it would be great if we all could – Be bad at people.

00:40:35.000 But isn't it, again, we're talking, and this is coming from a person that hasn't experienced combat, but we're talking about a bunch of people that really don't understand and really haven't seen the things that you've seen or seen the things that the military's seen, and they're talking about the world in this sort of idealized,

00:40:52.000 rose-colored glasses view of things that's not accurate.

00:40:57.000 And so their version of what America should do is based on...

00:41:03.000 It's based on ignorance and this idea that we don't need intelligence, we don't need a military, we don't need a presence in all these other countries.

00:41:13.000 I just don't buy that.

00:41:15.000 I don't think that makes sense when you look at all the different conflicts that are going on in the world.

00:41:19.000 Yeah, I agree.

00:41:21.000 I think that there is an element out there that says, if we just take Iran as an example, you know, I've spoken with people who honestly seem to believe that In part because the previous administration – I mean, now former Secretary Kerry is out there publicly and President Obama is out there publicly.

00:41:37.000 They're all saying, well, but the Iranians have been complying. 0.95

00:41:40.000 So it's – they're implying that it's our fault.

00:41:42.000 It's our fault for backing out of this.

00:41:44.000 It's our fault that somehow that the Iranians have been cheating on the missile sanctions. 1.00

00:41:48.000 Look, the UN even agreed in – At the end of 2014, just in October of that year, the Iranians had been busting agreements related to their ballistic missiles and their development. 0.88

00:42:02.000 And we signed that agreement a few months later, three months later.

00:42:08.000 It happens.

00:42:09.000 No matter what you may want to think, it's a messy place out there.

00:42:14.000 I would love it to be different.

00:42:15.000 I would love everybody to get along and, hey, it would be great.

00:42:18.000 Think what we could do if we didn't have a defense budget.

00:42:20.000 It would be wonderful.

00:42:21.000 Yeah, it would be wonderful.

00:42:23.000 Flowers everywhere.

00:42:24.000 Oh, my God, and unicorns.

00:42:25.000 Maybe not unicorns.

00:42:26.000 I guess physically that just wouldn't work.

00:42:28.000 Those aren't real.

00:42:28.000 You can make one now.

00:42:29.000 With all the money that you don't spend on war.

00:42:32.000 That's right.

00:42:33.000 I could probably have one pop out of my watch if I knew how to work it.

00:42:38.000 I'm impressed.

00:42:38.000 I know the passcode.

00:42:39.000 I was about to actually do the passcode and say it out loud sometimes.

00:42:42.000 You ever find yourself doing that, like when you're typing a number?

00:42:44.000 I was about to do that here while I was putting in my passcode.

00:42:47.000 Anyway.

00:42:48.000 Well, people are always going to have an idealized version of the world, especially when they don't experience it themselves.

00:42:53.000 But I think that, for the most part, when people think of intelligence communities, if they think about the CIA or the FBI, generally, for whatever reason, in America, you get a negative response.

00:43:05.000 People don't think about it in terms of something that's necessary and beneficial and really a cornerstone of the protection of the people in this country.

00:43:16.000 They don't think of it that way.

00:43:17.000 Right.

00:43:17.000 No, I think that's been a tradition.

00:43:19.000 You could go back to World War II, the end of World War II. OSS, which was the founding organization that then became later on the CIA, amazing people involved in OSS. And basically, what they did during the war was incredible.

00:43:37.000 So anyway, but they do this.

00:43:39.000 And while Bill Donovan was the head of OSS, So imagine all these dedicated people dropping in behind enemy lines, both in the European and Japanese theater, and engaged in all this activity for the years that it took to win that war.

00:43:56.000 And we got out of the war.

00:43:58.000 We finished.

00:43:59.000 And I'm assuming most people listening know how that ended.

00:44:02.000 And Truman literally just kind of writes a little note to Bill Donovan.

00:44:07.000 I've seen the note.

00:44:08.000 And it says, you know, Bill, hey, great job.

00:44:11.000 Thanks so much.

00:44:13.000 Wrapping it up.

00:44:14.000 All the best.

00:44:15.000 Good luck in the future.

00:44:16.000 And they shut down OSS, right?

00:44:19.000 They don't need it anymore.

00:44:20.000 They didn't need the intel service because we won the war and things are gonna be looking pretty good.

00:44:24.000 Well, about a year later, you know, they got the band back together because what was happening, the Soviets were running, you know, all over the place and it was the Cold War and the Soviets had no intention of being benign and living in a community of nations. 0.71

00:44:40.000 And so suddenly they got the band back and said, okay, so that's when the CIA was created in 1947. At the end of the Cold War, not that long ago, although it seems like ancient history now, there were a lot of serious people in Washington, D.C. when the wall fell who basically said,

00:44:57.000 let's wrap up the agency.

00:44:58.000 We don't need the CIA anymore.

00:45:00.000 So there's this pattern of – and that's good.

00:45:03.000 People want to think the best, and that's a good thing.

00:45:05.000 I mean Americans tend to be – Whether it's ideological or naive or just optimistic, whatever it is, that's a good thing, right?

00:45:13.000 But it butts up against the reality of how the world actually works.

00:45:17.000 Well, because in America, things are pretty good.

00:45:20.000 I mean, they're about as good as it gets in the world when you wander around America for as large a nation as this is. 0.91

00:45:28.000 Things are pretty goddamn good for the most part.

00:45:30.000 And I think that's part of the problem, is that these people, they're not traveling to these war zones. 0.75

00:45:35.000 They're not experiencing...

00:45:37.000 I've talked to so many people that have been overseas and been to these places of conflict, and they come out with a dark view of what is possible if you're in the wrong place on the planet.

00:45:49.000 Yeah, what people can do to each other is a...

00:45:53.000 Yeah, it can get messy.

00:45:56.000 But I think...

00:46:00.000 There would be value if somehow we could enact some program where everybody had to spend a couple of years in service of some sort, military service or overseas service.

00:46:09.000 I know we had the Peace Corps and all of that, but high school kids say, well, I went to Bermuda and I built a house for a week, so I got my international experience.

00:46:17.000 Well, that's better than nothing.

00:46:19.000 It's better than nothing, but I think something that would mean people would have a little more skin in the game, but you're right.

00:46:24.000 You go to some of these places, fourth and fifth world countries, and And you do realize, and people roll their eyes, but, damn it, this is the best country in the world.

00:46:34.000 And I say that repeatedly, and I believe it firmly.

00:46:37.000 We make mistakes.

00:46:38.000 There's no doubt about it, but we tend to course correct.

00:46:41.000 We try.

00:46:42.000 Sometimes it takes a little bit longer.

00:46:44.000 No matter what administration is there, we try to do the right thing.

00:46:48.000 And so when people talk about us just stepping off and not worrying about our place in the world, You know, someone's going to try to take that position on the ladder, and it's not going to be as benign as we tend to be.

00:47:03.000 Not always.

00:47:04.000 Again, again, I realize we make mistakes.

00:47:06.000 Fine, okay, fine.

00:47:07.000 I'm not going to self-flagellate over it, but, you know, still, we do a pretty damn good job.

00:47:11.000 We tried to be the moral authority of the world, or the moral compass, at least.

00:47:16.000 I mean, that's the thought process behind it for the most part.

00:47:19.000 Right.

00:47:19.000 That's the thought process, yeah.

00:47:21.000 And, you know, sometimes, again, it's a human endeavor, so it's not going to work all the time.

00:47:25.000 Don't you think the people are more open to this idea that it's necessary now because of the Russian situation and because of understanding the amount of power that Putin wields and the way he has just really ultimate control over that part of the world?

00:47:38.000 I mean, he really does.

00:47:39.000 I mean, you could... 0.99

00:47:41.000 Drone on all you want about democratic elections, but we all know that's horseshit. 1.00

00:47:45.000 I mean, he fucking kills anybody over there that's a legitimate threat, kills anybody over there that's a journalist. 1.00

00:47:50.000 Not just over there. 0.99

00:47:51.000 I mean, look, they tried to bag Sergei Skrippel and his daughter Yulia.

00:47:54.000 She was collateral damage. 0.99

00:47:56.000 They put some shit on a doorknob that they touched with their hands and that did them in and put them in the hospital. 0.99

00:48:03.000 And who knows if they're even going to recover from that. 0.99

00:48:05.000 I mean, think about it.

00:48:06.000 She's out of the hospital now.

00:48:07.000 She's doing good.

00:48:07.000 He's doing a little bit better.

00:48:09.000 But I mean, think about what that entails as an operation, right?

00:48:11.000 Not that they haven't.

00:48:12.000 They've been doing this since they killed, what's his name, Trotsky in Mexico, right?

00:48:14.000 I mean, this is what they do.

00:48:16.000 But, you know, Markov, Litvinenko, Alexander Litvinenko, they killed him with polonium.

00:48:22.000 And that was just a handful of years ago.

00:48:23.000 So they go after Sergey.

00:48:25.000 He's living in a small – relatively small, quiet British town, Salisbury.

00:48:30.000 And so that requires them to surveil Sergey.

00:48:33.000 They got to get – because you always have to do that.

00:48:34.000 You got to do some operation like this.

00:48:36.000 You got to know what you're getting into.

00:48:36.000 You got to figure out how you're going to do it.

00:48:38.000 So there's a lot of – you got to front load all that work, right?

00:48:41.000 And so they're doing all the surveillance.

00:48:42.000 They're figuring out what their operational game plan is going to be.

00:48:45.000 This is in the UK. And their whole point of the exercise is to teach other people, don't betray us.

00:48:53.000 And so they put this on the doorknob.

00:48:57.000 They didn't care who else touched that.

00:48:58.000 It wasn't like they could guarantee that Postman and a variety of visitors weren't going to come through the door.

00:49:03.000 So they really don't care.

00:49:06.000 Yeah, he is definitely...

00:49:09.000 He's an old-school KGB. Very easy cat to understand. 0.84

00:49:13.000 And we've always kind of acted like...

00:49:15.000 We don't get it, or somehow he's going to change his stripes.

00:49:18.000 He's never going to change his stripes. 0.89

00:49:19.000 And he's going to always act in what he believes to be the best interest of what he would like to believe is still the former Soviet Union.

00:49:26.000 Yeah, and Garry Kasparov was talking about him, and he's a vocal critic of Putin, and he was saying that if you look into all the different companies that they've confiscated and acquired, this is what they do.

00:49:41.000 If they have a political enemy, They essentially just take over their company and charge them with some sort of a crime and throw them in jail.

00:49:48.000 They do this to billionaires.

00:49:49.000 Right.

00:49:50.000 Oh, Hortokovsky. 0.88

00:49:51.000 I mean, he spent years in jail.

00:49:52.000 And his mistake was he started getting political aspirations.

00:50:00.000 So the deal has always been with Putin as far as the oligarch is concerned.

00:50:03.000 You keep your nose in business, right?

00:50:05.000 You focus on your business.

00:50:06.000 There's going to be a cut going towards the government.

00:50:10.000 And you're good.

00:50:12.000 Because it furthers my agenda.

00:50:15.000 You're building up these businesses and we're making some money on the side.

00:50:19.000 But as soon as any of them start to veer off that path and maybe get some political aspiration, then it's done.

00:50:26.000 And that's when he turns on them.

00:50:27.000 And he's been very effective at doing it.

00:50:29.000 Yeah, I mean, terrifyingly so.

00:50:31.000 And does it open publicly?

00:50:32.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:50:33.000 Because, again, we look at it from a different perspective.

00:50:36.000 We look at it and go like, how can people with a straight face stand by while he gets a fourth term and he's just like president for life?

00:50:44.000 Well, look over at China. 0.90

00:50:45.000 Xi has spent the past few years locking that down, building up the security apparatus, kind of stepping on this idea that somehow there's a rule of law.

00:50:55.000 He's now built back up this Cult of personality that we haven't really seen since, you know, Deng Xiaoping or certainly Mao and he's there for good.

00:51:05.000 And so that gives them a strategic advantage, right?

00:51:08.000 Because they can look at problems in the long haul whereas here we're looking at it in an election cycle.

00:51:13.000 So when we've got a major issue to deal with with China, Xi's not looking at it and thinking, okay, well, I've got to sort this out in the next short period of time.

00:51:21.000 He's looking at it and thinking, Trump's got maybe two years left.

00:51:24.000 Maybe.

00:51:25.000 Maybe he gets reelected, maybe he doesn't.

00:51:27.000 I have no idea.

00:51:29.000 But that's how he's processing this.

00:51:31.000 And there's going to be a transitionary time in between the two candidates or the two presidents where things get real sloppy and they might be able to slip in something.

00:51:39.000 Right.

00:51:40.000 And you talk about it.

00:51:41.000 The Chinese really do play the long game. 1.00

00:51:43.000 They really play the long game.

00:51:45.000 They'll put an asset here in the country to go to school, right?

00:51:51.000 And their only job is to get excellent grades.

00:51:54.000 And then they'll go to grad school and they'll get excellent grades.

00:51:56.000 And then they'll go get a job somewhere.

00:51:58.000 And it doesn't really matter necessarily where they get a job, but they'll get a job and then they'll get another job.

00:52:03.000 And eventually they are working at a Raytheon or they're working at Corning or they're working at some company that's got some relevance.

00:52:08.000 From their perspective in terms of what they do.

00:52:11.000 And that's a 25-30 year commitment.

00:52:14.000 And they do that all the time.

00:52:17.000 And you know we tend to look at things in the shorter time frame.

00:52:21.000 I mean even from an intel service.

00:52:23.000 Our officers will get out there and they'll think okay we got to make some recruitments you know and I got maybe Two years here on the ground.

00:52:30.000 It's that sort of deployment or that sort of tour.

00:52:33.000 And it's not that 30-year commitment because if I'm the officer, I'm getting promoted based on how many recruitments I get.

00:52:42.000 I'm not getting necessarily promoted based on how well I handle assets that have already been promoted.

00:52:47.000 And that was the plot of that young American, the Americans show, right?

00:52:52.000 The show about Russian spies that pretended to be just normal American citizens, moved in, did the whole thing, talked with a normal accent.

00:53:01.000 Mm-hmm.

00:53:02.000 That's right.

00:53:02.000 That came out of that New Jersey incident with Anna Chapman.

00:53:06.000 And those individuals were just basically there to exist, right?

00:53:10.000 Their whole point of being was just to see whether they bump into somebody of interest.

00:53:13.000 And they weren't going to be responsible for then developing that potential target.

00:53:16.000 That would be somebody else's responsibility.

00:53:18.000 And that person who had the responsibility to develop that target, it wouldn't be their responsibility to maybe task them or make some sort of light pitch.

00:53:25.000 That would be somebody else's responsibility.

00:53:27.000 So there's people up that food chain that take on more and more responsibility if they happen to find a target of interest.

00:53:33.000 And that's just the resources devoted to one part of the country.

00:53:36.000 So it's a cautious, well-thought-out, long-term plan.

00:53:40.000 Yeah.

00:53:41.000 Yeah.

00:53:41.000 I mean, sometimes the Russians are just like a shotgun approach, right?

00:53:45.000 They'll pitch everybody and see what happens, right?

00:53:47.000 They're not quite as patient and as long-term as the Chinese are. 1.00

00:53:52.000 And they've caught Chinese spies doing this as well, right?

00:53:55.000 Oh, sure.

00:53:56.000 Yeah, we just bagged one who was working on behalf of the Chinese government against interests of the agency.

00:54:02.000 How long ago was this?

00:54:02.000 It's just passed.

00:54:03.000 I mean, it's become public over the past week in particular, but it's been bubbling away for a while.

00:54:09.000 What's this dude's name?

00:54:11.000 Yeah, I'm going to leave it at that.

00:54:14.000 Only because I'm not sure if I've seen it in print.

00:54:17.000 But Chinese-American and obviously part of the attraction for bringing that person into the agency was their Chinese language.

00:54:27.000 Well, part of the attraction from the Chinese Intel perspective is… The Chinese ethnic background.

00:54:33.000 First generation, second generation, third generation doesn't matter. 0.88

00:54:36.000 They tend to play off that very well.

00:54:38.000 So anyway, this individual worked for the agency for a period of time and then left and then set up shop overseas and then his actions became suspect.

00:54:53.000 And so that's when we ended up getting them.

00:54:56.000 But that happens.

00:54:58.000 And when you catch somebody who's been engaged in that, first thought is, you know, thank God we caught them.

00:55:04.000 And the second is, how does someone do that?

00:55:08.000 Now, I say that, again, not to be self-righteous, because we're always out there looking for targets to recruit, to turn on their country.

00:55:16.000 If we could find ourselves an Iranian scientist, it's not like we would be coy and say, well, we don't want to put them under that stress of recruiting them. 0.95

00:55:22.000 Of course we do for national security interests.

00:55:24.000 But I mean just from a psychological perspective, you think about that.

00:55:28.000 Well, our idea is that we're doing that stuff for good and that they're doing that stuff for bad, which is very convenient that we think that way.

00:55:36.000 Right.

00:55:37.000 Right.

00:55:37.000 But I guess you're absolutely right.

00:55:39.000 And, you know, I understand the people out there who say, well, that's, you know, you can't make that equivalence.

00:55:45.000 I don't know.

00:55:46.000 But I never had any problem.

00:55:47.000 I never had any problem determining the good people from the bad people.

00:55:52.000 You know, and that's like, today, one of the senators in the confirmation here, I'm sorry to keep going back to the CIA director-designated confirmation hearings up on the Hill, but One of the senators, it almost sounded like he was trying to make some moral equivalency between terrorists and agency officers who were doing what they were allowed to do underneath the laws of that time and the DOJ,

00:56:15.000 Department of Justice regulations and legal readings.

00:56:20.000 And his point was, well, if you waterboarded somebody, well, then what happens if one of your people got picked up by terrorists and they were waterboarded?

00:56:29.000 Would you think that that was justified?

00:56:31.000 And I'm thinking, okay, wait, wait, wait.

00:56:33.000 It's a very odd construct for a question.

00:56:36.000 And, you know, I mean, frankly, if ISIS or Al-Qaeda or Boko Haram picked up one of our people and all they did was waterboard them, you know, that would be a happy day, right? 1.00

00:56:45.000 Because they don't operate under any laws, which is what Gina Haspel said.

00:56:48.000 She handled the question very well.

00:56:50.000 And kind of shut it down.

00:56:52.000 But this idea that sometimes you'll bump into that where people, I don't know what it is.

00:56:59.000 They're apologists.

00:57:01.000 They want to act as if we're the bad guys.

00:57:03.000 And anyway, what am I going to do?

00:57:05.000 No, that's exactly what it is, right?

00:57:06.000 I was about to say, what do I know? 0.99

00:57:08.000 Damn it! 0.99

00:57:09.000 He pulled away from it. 1.00

00:57:11.000 But that is exactly what it is.

00:57:12.000 It's like there's apologists.

00:57:14.000 And they're also trying to frame a narrative instead of trying to understand the situation objectively.

00:57:20.000 Instead of really asking someone who was there, asking a bunch of people who were there, getting a sense of what was the climate, what was going on, what actually happened.

00:57:30.000 Instead, they're trying to frame it.

00:57:32.000 Wouldn't it be justified if someone got ahold of one of our troops and did that to them?

00:57:36.000 Wouldn't that be justified?

00:57:37.000 They're scoring brownie points.

00:57:39.000 Yeah.

00:57:40.000 No, I think that's true.

00:57:41.000 I think there's so little – and it's obviously much worse right now with the current administration, President Trump.

00:57:47.000 It just seems like nobody – I mean, it's like World War I, right?

00:57:51.000 Everybody's in their trenches throwing hand grenades at each other.

00:57:53.000 Nobody's in the middle ground.

00:57:55.000 Nobody's even trying to get up and go into the middle ground.

00:57:57.000 And so nobody's having those conversations, like you said, where they even make a lame attempt to try to understand what the other perspective might be.

00:58:06.000 Yeah.

00:58:10.000 It's exhausting in the sense that not everything that this administration, again, you know, the caveat being, I didn't vote for Trump.

00:58:16.000 Hey, I didn't vote for Clinton.

00:58:17.000 You know, we got 320 million people in this country.

00:58:21.000 You think we could have come up with two other candidates?

00:58:23.000 But who did you vote for?

00:58:25.000 You know what?

00:58:27.000 This sounds really lame, but I just sat it out.

00:58:30.000 I couldn't get myself to go vote.

00:58:33.000 I mean, I was going to vote for Ronald Reagan's ashes or something, but I figured I'd be the only person.

00:58:40.000 So I didn't vote.

00:58:42.000 I couldn't figure out how we got to that point.

00:58:47.000 And the one person who should really be pissed off was Bernie Sanders.

00:58:50.000 I mean, the only collusion we've really proven up to this point is Isn't DNC colluding to keep Bernie down?

00:58:55.000 And people sweep that under the rug so quick.

00:58:58.000 It's so adorable.

00:59:00.000 It's adorable how people just make it like that's not a big deal.

00:59:04.000 The deleting of 30,000 emails, not a big deal.

00:59:08.000 The collusion with the DNC to rig the primaries, not a big deal.

00:59:14.000 Yeah, and Bernie, God bless him, he played the good soldier and, you know, fell on a sword and hasn't really...

00:59:18.000 Well, he hasn't made much of an issue of it.

00:59:20.000 I think it's because he has aspirations to move forward and he knows they owe him one now.

00:59:24.000 And he knows that Hillary Clinton is essentially done.

00:59:26.000 That's interesting. 0.99

00:59:27.000 If they try to bring her back in 2020, people will go fucking crazy. 1.00

00:59:32.000 Like, are you nuts? 1.00

00:59:34.000 Could you imagine? 1.00

00:59:35.000 She might actually be thinking that way.

00:59:37.000 I'm sure she is.

00:59:38.000 They probably got her on a vitamin IV drip right now and giving her hormone replacement therapy and getting her to do yoga. 1.00

00:59:45.000 I just don't see her being resurrected, but maybe...

00:59:49.000 They'll try.

00:59:50.000 Maybe so.

00:59:51.000 I do think Joe Biden is coming in.

00:59:53.000 You think so?

00:59:53.000 Yeah, I think he's viewing this...

00:59:55.000 I think he's very upset with himself, not upset with others, but I think he probably thinks at this stage of the game...

01:00:01.000 Times were different.

01:00:02.000 It was tough regarding his family, but I think he probably regrets not going in the last time.

01:00:06.000 And I think we're going to see him throw his hat in the ring because he's going to look around and he's going to think, what am I up against?

01:00:11.000 I'm up against Harris and Booker and, you know, who else?

01:00:14.000 But, I mean, I think...

01:00:15.000 He's got some baggage, though, that people forget about.

01:00:18.000 When I was in Boston, we used to have Joe Biden night at Stitch's Comedy Club, where we would plagiarize each other's jokes.

01:00:25.000 Because Joe Biden, people don't remember this, but in the 1980s, he got busted plagiarizing Kennedy speeches.

01:00:32.000 People forgot about that.

01:00:33.000 He ran for president in 88. Yeah.

01:00:36.000 And that's a good point.

01:00:37.000 You know, everybody loves the guy that's sitting on the bench, right?

01:00:39.000 Yeah.

01:00:40.000 So there were a lot of Democrats, I think, after the fact, that would think, oh, my God, if Joe had just run.

01:00:43.000 But he's run a couple of times.

01:00:45.000 It hasn't worked out.

01:00:46.000 Yeah.

01:00:46.000 And Trump would have chewed him up.

01:00:48.000 Yeah.

01:00:48.000 Yeah, it would have been true.

01:00:51.000 So, you know, anyway, the politics of it all are fascinating. 0.99

01:00:57.000 Did you see the crazy shit when Trump was saying he'd beat him up? 0.99

01:01:00.000 It's like crazy Joe Biden said that he could beat me up and he would go down fast and hard. 1.00

01:01:07.000 That's right.

01:01:09.000 I think they should have just gone with that.

01:01:12.000 I think they should have done some sort of celebrity match there.

01:01:15.000 That's what I was saying.

01:01:16.000 I was saying, like, let me be the commentator.

01:01:18.000 Can you see what that...

01:01:19.000 I mean, the president...

01:01:21.000 To the death.

01:01:21.000 It would definitely be to the death.

01:01:23.000 Both of them would die.

01:01:24.000 Yeah.

01:01:25.000 Oh, no.

01:01:25.000 No, they'd get in the cage and it would be all over.

01:01:27.000 I'm thinking five minutes at the most.

01:01:29.000 Hair pulling.

01:01:29.000 Maybe, yeah.

01:01:30.000 They'd pull whatever little hair they have left. 1.00

01:01:32.000 The old school wrestling trunks.

01:01:35.000 Yeah.

01:01:35.000 Sure.

01:01:36.000 Singlets.

01:01:36.000 The boots.

01:01:38.000 I would...

01:01:40.000 Oh, we gotta get this going.

01:01:42.000 But it was just so ridiculous to see Trump tweeting that he would beat up Joe Biden if they ever fought.

01:01:48.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:01:48.000 Like, who the fuck have you ever fought ever? 0.99

01:01:50.000 Have you ever even thrown a punch? 0.99

01:01:52.000 This is the world we live in.

01:01:53.000 I mean, you think about all the...

01:01:58.000 You think about the things we should be talking about on a daily basis, right?

01:02:02.000 Right.

01:02:02.000 And yet because of the self-inflicted wounds that they constantly have coming out of that White House, because of his tweeting for the most part, people aren't focusing on – look, we should all be able to agree.

01:02:13.000 Democrats and Republicans should be able to agree that if you can get your way to peace on the Korean Peninsula, that's pretty damn good.

01:02:19.000 Yes.

01:02:21.000 They just released the three North Korean prisoners – well, American citizen prisoners who were held in North Korea.

01:02:28.000 So Secretary Pompeo is flying back right now from Pyongyang, and he's bringing those three back.

01:02:34.000 That's a good thing.

01:02:35.000 That's a very good thing.

01:02:36.000 But we can't – But it's the way they got there that freaks people out.

01:02:39.000 Him saying his nuclear button's bigger than the other guys and – It's like, but I gotta tell you, I was really happy watching the video of Kim Jong-un shaking hands with the president of South Korea and the meeting and the DMZ. I was happy.

01:02:55.000 That to me was like, wow!

01:02:57.000 Like, that made me think, they're both smiling. 0.99

01:03:00.000 I know Kim Jong-un's a fucking murderer and he killed his own uncle and his nephews and all these different people that he thought might go against him, but seeing him Shake hands with the President of South Korea made me think like, wow, they might settle this. 0.99

01:03:16.000 They could. 0.99

01:03:16.000 I mean, look, that's the very first time His granddad, Kim Il-sung, and then his dad, Kim Jong-il, neither of them ever stepped foot on the southern side of that DMZ, on the southern side of Peace Village. 0.99

01:03:31.000 Never happened.

01:03:32.000 So that in itself, you're absolutely right, that's a major development.

01:03:37.000 Now, maybe nothing comes of it, right?

01:03:39.000 It's a low percentage shot.

01:03:40.000 You have to agree.

01:03:40.000 There's so many moving parts.

01:03:41.000 So maybe nothing comes of it.

01:03:42.000 And I think the administration is making that case, saying, look, we have to be realistic.

01:03:46.000 But this is a good thing that it's moving in that direction.

01:03:49.000 It's something.

01:03:50.000 Right, it's something.

01:03:51.000 And in fact, this guy's a young guy who actually likes Dennis Rodman.

01:03:54.000 I mean, Jesus Christ.

01:03:56.000 Well, in his playing days, I liked Dennis Rodman a lot.

01:04:00.000 He likes him now.

01:04:01.000 Yeah, I didn't anticipate he would develop into the character that he is now.

01:04:05.000 Right, but he also seems to be like some sort of a spokesman for America talking to Korea.

01:04:10.000 It's weird.

01:04:12.000 Do you remember Robin as a player, man? 1.00

01:04:13.000 Yeah, he was a bad motherfucker. 0.99

01:04:15.000 That guy was fantastic. 1.00

01:04:15.000 A hustler. 1.00

01:04:16.000 Ah, defense, he was outside.

01:04:17.000 Rebounding, that guy could, man, that guy could rebound. 0.60

01:04:20.000 And if you talk to people that know him, that were partying with him, that guy would be up all night drinking and partying and then show up and play fucking phenomenal the next day on zero sleep.

01:04:31.000 Here comes another title. 0.92

01:04:32.000 Oh, good.

01:04:33.000 Yeah, Billy Corgan was friends with Rodman, and Billy Corgan from the Smashing Pumpkins on the podcast was talking about how they were mad at him because Rodman was taking Billy Corgan partying and then showing up the next day with zero sleep and playing, and they were blaming Billy Corgan. 0.99

01:04:49.000 He's like, motherfucker, I went to sleep. 0.98

01:04:51.000 He's like, that guy was still out. 1.00

01:04:53.000 He's still up.

01:04:53.000 That's fantastic.

01:04:55.000 Pumpkins are coming out to Boise.

01:04:57.000 Oh, excellent.

01:04:58.000 Everybody big's coming out to Boise.

01:04:59.000 I like Boise. 0.99

01:05:00.000 Listen, man, the way you talk about it, I'm thinking about getting a fucking house out there. 0.98

01:05:03.000 Wall Street Journal just had, now, you know, some of my friends said, you gotta stop talking about Boise. 0.99

01:05:08.000 They'll move there.

01:05:09.000 The Wall Street Journal just had an article.

01:05:10.000 It's the fastest growing state in the nation.

01:05:12.000 For wolves.

01:05:12.000 I know.

01:05:13.000 For wolves, too.

01:05:14.000 Yeah.

01:05:14.000 Yeah, we got so many people coming in, we're bringing the wolves in, too, to sort of sort that out.

01:05:18.000 It's a balancing thing. 1.00

01:05:19.000 Yeah, don't hike too far, you fuck. 1.00

01:05:21.000 Yeah, but you could go 10 minutes outside of... 1.00

01:05:24.000 I mean, we're right downtown, basically, but you go right 10 minutes out.

01:05:27.000 The Frank Church wilderness, right?

01:05:28.000 Yeah, up in the foothills, and you don't see anybody for the next day.

01:05:31.000 It's supposed to be insane.

01:05:31.000 It's fantastic.

01:05:32.000 Fishing's great.

01:05:32.000 We got more river mileage than any other state except for Alaska.

01:05:35.000 Yeah, the fishing's supposed to be incredible.

01:05:37.000 Fly fishing for trout and...

01:05:38.000 If you like fly fishing, if you like trout, it's the place to be.

01:05:42.000 I mean, other states, Montana, some other spots will say, no, it's us.

01:05:47.000 It's them, too, is what it really is.

01:05:49.000 It shouldn't be who's number one. 0.97

01:05:51.000 It's like, they're both fucking awesome. 0.96

01:05:53.000 To be fair, we've got the best trout, but still. 0.99

01:05:55.000 Better than Montana?

01:05:57.000 I think so.

01:05:59.000 We'll have a trout off.

01:06:00.000 Well, I have friends that live up there in... 0.99

01:06:03.000 What is that fucking... 0.99

01:06:06.000 Where First Light is, where the hell are they? 1.00

01:06:08.000 They're in some small town, some ski resort area, a real high-end ski place up there.

01:06:12.000 Up in Montana?

01:06:13.000 No, no, no, in Idaho.

01:06:14.000 Oh, Sun Valley.

01:06:16.000 Oh, Ketchum.

01:06:16.000 Yeah, the town is Ketchum.

01:06:17.000 The resort is Sun Valley.

01:06:19.000 Right.

01:06:19.000 They rave about it.

01:06:20.000 They say it's fucking incredible. 0.97

01:06:21.000 We were just up there. 0.98

01:06:23.000 We've got a place up in another ski area, and it sits on a lake.

01:06:27.000 Unlike Sun Valley, Ketchum doesn't have a big summertime attraction like a massive lake.

01:06:32.000 Our place sits on Payette Lake, and it's got a great little ski place nearby.

01:06:38.000 But there are a lot of areas like that.

01:06:40.000 But Ketchum is a great town, great little community.

01:06:43.000 You know, the skiing at Sun Valley is really good.

01:06:46.000 It's not like Aspen or, you know.

01:06:49.000 Exactly.

01:06:49.000 But it's not Deer Valley, Park City, where there are massive places.

01:06:53.000 Those places are just filled with rich people, too.

01:06:56.000 They're overrun with high-end stores.

01:07:00.000 Look, I love Sun Valley.

01:07:01.000 I think it's gorgeous.

01:07:02.000 I mean, not Sun Valley, Deer Valley in Utah. 0.97

01:07:07.000 It's fucking gorgeous up there. 0.89

01:07:09.000 But, man, it's just all wealthy skiing places. 0.99

01:07:12.000 It's crazy.

01:07:13.000 It's weird.

01:07:14.000 When I want to spend $2,000 for a pair of ski boots, that's where I go.

01:07:18.000 But if you want a normal burger and a beer, Ketchum or McCall up there in Idaho, it's really good.

01:07:23.000 You're going to love it.

01:07:24.000 You're going to get a great reception up in Boise.

01:07:26.000 I can't wait.

01:07:27.000 I purposely decided to go there just to check it out.

01:07:30.000 I decided to book a gig up there just to see what it's like.

01:07:32.000 Just take a couple of days and spend a little time up there.

01:07:35.000 Maybe do some fishing.

01:07:36.000 We'll go fishing.

01:07:36.000 I'll take you out fishing.

01:07:37.000 We'll go fishing.

01:07:37.000 Well, I have a friend up there that I actually just know from internet, but he...

01:07:41.000 You got an internet friend?

01:07:43.000 Well, I know people who actually know him in real life, but I've only talked to him online.

01:07:47.000 But he's got a pet coyote.

01:07:50.000 He actually took a coyote as a cub.

01:07:52.000 And we've talked about him on the podcast many times.

01:07:54.000 I'm going to meet his pet coyote.

01:07:56.000 Nice.

01:07:56.000 And he recently got a pet badger.

01:07:58.000 He found a fucking baby badger, this dude. 1.00

01:08:01.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:08:02.000 Man, that's what you want.

01:08:03.000 Yeah, Honey Badger. 0.99

01:08:04.000 They don't give a shit about anything. 0.99

01:08:06.000 Well, when they're real little, apparently you could raise a bat. 0.99

01:08:09.000 His Instagram is Seth Simpson.

01:08:13.000 You want me to tell you what it is?

01:08:14.000 Yeah. 0.87

01:08:14.000 Pull up the video, Jamie, because it's pretty fucking hilarious. 0.87

01:08:19.000 Ryan Callahan, my friend, just tweeted me, or just texted me.

01:08:23.000 He's my friend in Ketchum.

01:08:24.000 Nice.

01:08:25.000 But this dude...

01:08:29.000 So he's got a coyote and a badger.

01:08:31.000 Yeah.

01:08:31.000 Seth Simpson 208. Somebody send me a clip.

01:08:38.000 So they're shooting squirrels.

01:08:40.000 And then, look, he's got his little...

01:08:42.000 This is a new pet coyote that he has.

01:08:44.000 This is a new one.

01:08:45.000 And this little coyote puppy is chewing on this squirrel. 0.82

01:08:49.000 But...

01:08:51.000 I'm sorry, not squirrels.

01:08:52.000 They're shooting pigeons, right?

01:08:53.000 Not squirrels.

01:08:55.000 Go down and see the badger.

01:08:57.000 See the badger up there in the right hand corner?

01:08:58.000 Look at this.

01:08:59.000 This is a badger baby.

01:09:01.000 So it says someone was shooting ground squirrels.

01:09:04.000 They saw a badger carrying what they thought was a squirrel.

01:09:06.000 They shot it and it was actually carrying a baby.

01:09:10.000 So they took this baby badger, and now they're raising it.

01:09:13.000 And he's raising this baby badger, and he says that you can, given the option of fight or flight, they'll often fight, but if they're bottle-fed, handled constantly, and extremely well-socialized, they can be kept in captivity easily and make fun pets.

01:09:28.000 How crazy is that?

01:09:30.000 Guy's got a pet badger.

01:09:31.000 Good God.

01:09:32.000 Don't piss that thing off.

01:09:33.000 No.

01:09:36.000 This has nothing to do with a badger, although we're still talking about small animals.

01:09:40.000 Somebody sent me a clip of an incident where a police officer was driving down the road, and he stopped traffic on both sides because a groundhog was trying to come across the street.

01:09:50.000 And so he was trying to...

01:09:52.000 It was about a quarter of the way across this two-lane road, and he was trying to back it off the street.

01:09:57.000 Okay, that was a nice humanitarian thing, right?

01:09:58.000 He's trying to help this animal get off so it doesn't get hit by cars.

01:10:02.000 And this – he keeps trying.

01:10:05.000 He keeps trying.

01:10:06.000 It's not working.

01:10:06.000 The groundhog won't leave.

01:10:09.000 And eventually the groundhog – I guess something snapped in his mind and he decided, fuck this. 0.99

01:10:13.000 I'm going to go after this police officer, right? 1.00

01:10:15.000 I guess he got tired.

01:10:16.000 So he kind of waddles after the police officer.

01:10:19.000 This is it.

01:10:19.000 Yeah, this is it.

01:10:20.000 Now watch what happens.

01:10:23.000 This is insane.

01:10:24.000 So the cop is standing- Oh, he didn't shoot it.

01:10:27.000 He did! 1.00

01:10:28.000 He got on his knees and shot the fucking groundhog? 1.00

01:10:32.000 I like how they blur it out. 1.00

01:10:33.000 Yeah, the identity of the groundhog.

01:10:38.000 So it's moving around still?

01:10:39.000 Now it's still moving.

01:10:41.000 Does he shoot it again?

01:10:42.000 Yes, but watch.

01:10:44.000 Here comes that form again.

01:10:47.000 Well, that seems inappropriate.

01:10:52.000 A groundhog who police said was blocking traffic was fatally shot Sunday, according to the New York Daily News.

01:10:58.000 Where was this?

01:10:59.000 Maryland?

01:11:00.000 Oh boy.

01:11:03.000 He realized that it was not responding as expected for an animal that was not being cornered or trapped.

01:11:10.000 Believing the groundhog to be either sick or injured, he shot it.

01:11:15.000 And I love this response.

01:11:17.000 I'm sure the officer did the best thing in this situation.

01:11:19.000 It's not for me to judge. 0.99

01:11:22.000 Yeah, if you can't kick a groundhog's ass, you shouldn't be a cop. 0.99

01:11:27.000 That's what I have to say. 1.00

01:11:28.000 That groundhog's coming after you sidestep, bitch. 1.00

01:11:31.000 And also, you can't take it down with one shot? 1.00

01:11:33.000 What the hell's wrong with that?

01:11:34.000 How slow was it moving, too?

01:11:37.000 It was like, you know, I do not think that they're not the fastest animals.

01:11:42.000 No.

01:11:42.000 Yeah, so it was not in a full sprint towards this officer.

01:11:45.000 I'm just saying, who knows?

01:11:47.000 None of us can put ourselves in that officer's shoes.

01:11:49.000 Let's just put it that way.

01:11:50.000 Maybe he's got an irrational fear of mammals.

01:11:52.000 None of us have been in combat against a small animal.

01:11:55.000 Woodland creature.

01:11:56.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:11:57.000 I mean, a fucking groundhog? 1.00

01:12:00.000 I know. 1.00

01:12:01.000 What are you going to do?

01:12:02.000 It seems like you just get out of the way.

01:12:05.000 You don't have to shoot a groundhog.

01:12:07.000 Yeah, just get back in your cruiser and assume people are going to drive around it.

01:12:09.000 Yeah.

01:12:10.000 I mean, anyway, I thought that was interesting and someone thought it was interesting enough to send along.

01:12:13.000 That's crazy you did that.

01:12:15.000 I think sometimes you give people a gun and they're just looking to shoot something.

01:12:18.000 After a while, they're like, I'm shooting something. 1.00

01:12:20.000 Oh, this groundhog is fucking with society. 1.00

01:12:24.000 It's like that old Farsight cartoon with the vulture sitting up there saying, damn it, I'm just going to kill something. 1.00

01:12:28.000 Yeah, well, you know that. 0.99

01:12:28.000 Right. 0.99

01:12:30.000 You know that expression, if you only have a hammer, everything seems like a nail.

01:12:34.000 Exactly, yeah.

01:12:35.000 I mean, if you gave that cop a can of bear spray.

01:12:38.000 Well, that's a good point.

01:12:40.000 Less than deadly force, right?

01:12:41.000 Yeah.

01:12:41.000 He could have tased it.

01:12:44.000 Probably. 0.99

01:12:45.000 Maybe it would have killed it too. 1.00

01:12:46.000 Would have killed it. 1.00

01:12:47.000 Would have made for a more interesting video. 1.00

01:12:49.000 Just give him a tennis racket and slap it in the ass. 1.00

01:12:52.000 Get a move on little fella. 1.00

01:12:53.000 Just pull the tennis racket off your utility belt.

01:12:55.000 Stop traffic. 0.99

01:12:56.000 That sounds like a dumb ground squirrel too. 1.00

01:12:58.000 He's about to get it fucked up by a dumb ground squirrel. 1.00

01:13:01.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:13:01.000 Maybe it was suicide by a cop. 1.00

01:13:03.000 Maybe it was one of those deals.

01:13:04.000 You think he had issues?

01:13:05.000 Ground squirrel had enough. 0.96

01:13:06.000 Like crazy person that rushes the cop because he wants to die.

01:13:09.000 We get that in Idaho.

01:13:10.000 You get that deer that just like, I just want to end it all.

01:13:12.000 They do.

01:13:13.000 They just like come out of nowhere and you know they've been sitting in the bushes waiting for you to drive by.

01:13:19.000 They get super confused during September, October, November, during the rut in particular.

01:13:24.000 Like when they get horny. 0.98

01:13:26.000 There's a video, a hilarious video of this deer that's so fucked up from the rut that this guy walks up to it and taps it on the head with an arrow. 0.99

01:13:34.000 I've seen that. 0.97

01:13:36.000 What's going on? 0.99

01:13:37.000 Every deer hunter in the country was like, where the fuck was this deer when I was hunting? 0.99

01:13:42.000 Because most of the time, if deer even catches wind that you're 200 yards away, they fucking bound out of there like the hills are on fire. 0.98

01:13:50.000 How did you do out in Hawaii?

01:13:51.000 Got two.

01:13:51.000 I got two axis deer.

01:13:53.000 That looked great.

01:13:53.000 Yeah, there it is.

01:13:54.000 So this deer is just emaciated from rutting.

01:13:59.000 Paralyzed and confused with his own hormones, and this guy walks up to it and just taps it.

01:14:03.000 This is crazy!

01:14:05.000 Like, this thing is just so baffled.

01:14:08.000 Hey, buddy.

01:14:09.000 Hello!

01:14:10.000 Hello!

01:14:12.000 I mean, that is crazy.

01:14:14.000 Is the deer high?

01:14:16.000 Looks like it's on drugs or something.

01:14:17.000 Oh, he's definitely done, yeah.

01:14:19.000 When they get rutted up, like, I've never seen anything like this before, but sometimes they just blow a fuse.

01:14:28.000 Look at this, he's tapping the antlers.

01:14:29.000 Hey, fella. 0.98

01:14:31.000 It's just too much to process for that deer.

01:14:33.000 Yeah, look at it.

01:14:35.000 I guess I could leave, but...

01:14:36.000 I don't know what to do.

01:14:37.000 But it doesn't seem like it understands life anymore.

01:14:41.000 Probably thought if he just stands really still, he won't be spotted.

01:14:44.000 I don't think it's that.

01:14:45.000 And now he takes off. 1.00

01:14:47.000 What in the fuck, man? 1.00

01:14:50.000 That's just hormones. 1.00

01:14:52.000 That's men. 0.98

01:14:53.000 That's what happens when dudes get boners. 1.00

01:14:55.000 Yeah, that's how guys get their kidneys stolen from Russian, you know, those gals that take your kidney, you wake up in a bathtub full of ice. 1.00

01:15:04.000 And your wallet's gone.

01:15:05.000 You've heard that before?

01:15:06.000 Yeah.

01:15:06.000 Oh, yeah.

01:15:07.000 Organs missing.

01:15:08.000 Is that real?

01:15:08.000 Yeah.

01:15:09.000 It used to happen out in Southeast Asia.

01:15:11.000 There were occasionally reports of that.

01:15:12.000 Really?

01:15:13.000 Yeah.

01:15:13.000 I was out there for quite a while, and occasionally you'd hear...

01:15:17.000 Some reports, some dude getting screwed up, and next thing you know, he wakes up and he's missing a kidney.

01:15:22.000 Really?

01:15:23.000 That really did happen.

01:15:24.000 It did happen.

01:15:25.000 Think about what that means.

01:15:27.000 Not only does the dude get knocked out, but then you've got to get the doctor in, right?

01:15:30.000 Because the girls probably aren't doing it themselves. 1.00

01:15:32.000 Doctors are sitting there with rubber gloves on waiting.

01:15:33.000 It sounds like a bad movie.

01:15:35.000 Well, it could be a good movie, actually.

01:15:37.000 It could be a very good movie.

01:15:38.000 So it does happen, and all the more reason to always know where your pants are.

01:15:44.000 That's a good move.

01:15:45.000 Yeah, I don't know.

01:15:46.000 You should definitely know where your pants are. 1.00

01:15:47.000 You should know where your pants are. 1.00

01:15:48.000 Know what you're drinking.

01:15:49.000 Kids, I'm just telling you, kids.

01:15:51.000 I used to tell my daughter.

01:15:53.000 My daughter's flown off.

01:15:53.000 You know how I keep bashing China and their intellectual property acquisitions?

01:15:58.000 My daughter's now in China.

01:16:00.000 Oh, no.

01:16:00.000 Working in Beijing.

01:16:02.000 She's working for the government? 0.98

01:16:04.000 No, no, no.

01:16:05.000 She's working.

01:16:07.000 Thank you.

01:16:09.000 And she's a great kid, but she always says, you know, Dad, could you just not maybe bash them as often as you do if I'm flying back over there to work?

01:16:20.000 Yeah, do they ask her questions? 1.00

01:16:21.000 No, no, no.

01:16:22.000 He does what? 0.98

01:16:23.000 I don't think they give a crap about me. 0.68

01:16:25.000 What does your father do? 0.94

01:16:25.000 Hmm. 0.94

01:16:26.000 Although I will say, I was giving a speech one time about national security issues, and I got off on the subject of the intellectual property theft.

01:16:34.000 It's perpetrated by a lot of different countries.

01:16:36.000 And this was a large conference.

01:16:38.000 And so I'm talking about the Chinese and their tendency to do this. 1.00

01:16:43.000 And I look down there, I see a guy that I know who's with one of the companies that brought me in for this speech, and he's got this funny look on his face, like, oh my god, I can't believe you're talking about this.

01:16:52.000 And he kind of, like, motions over there, and they're in, like, the third row of this area.

01:16:57.000 It's this contingent of Chinese business folks sitting there, and they just look, and I've just been spending 10 minutes just railing and talking about, you know, how awful they can be sometimes in this whole, although good. 1.00

01:17:08.000 I praise them because they're good at it.

01:17:11.000 And they...

01:17:12.000 They were just horrified about this whole thing.

01:17:15.000 What am I going to do?

01:17:16.000 I can't walk that back.

01:17:18.000 Look, it is what it is.

01:17:19.000 If you don't want me to talk about it, don't do it.

01:17:22.000 Don't do it.

01:17:24.000 So that's another issue.

01:17:26.000 I'm just ticking off all the issues that we've solved here so far.

01:17:29.000 We're going to fix the world here, Mike Baker.

01:17:32.000 But the North Korean release of those prisoners, that's a good thing. 0.99

01:17:35.000 It is a good thing.

01:17:35.000 And I think both Trump and Pence, I think, are going out to Andrews Air Force Base to meet them as they come in.

01:17:42.000 Wow.

01:17:43.000 And, you know, but it will be interesting to see.

01:17:46.000 Look, I think it was an easy give for Kim Jong-un to do, right?

01:17:51.000 What were they over there in prison for?

01:17:53.000 Well, one of them was a businessman, and he was serving 10 years hard labor.

01:17:59.000 Imagine hard labor camp in North Korea, supposedly for espionage.

01:18:04.000 He's a business guy.

01:18:06.000 And they don't care.

01:18:07.000 I mean, they've done this numerous times in the past.

01:18:09.000 It really doesn't matter if you show up and you're in business.

01:18:11.000 The other two were also interesting.

01:18:13.000 They were academics.

01:18:14.000 They were at the Pyongyang University.

01:18:17.000 University for Science and Technology.

01:18:20.000 Both of them were teaching there, which is oddly enough where I got my degree.

01:18:25.000 And my undergrad degree, Pyongyang University.

01:18:30.000 I went there for the sports.

01:18:36.000 And I worked during the year as the Pyongyang missiles.

01:18:41.000 Like a guy dressed as a missile.

01:18:43.000 You can't stop with this.

01:18:44.000 I was a mascot.

01:18:44.000 I can't stop.

01:18:45.000 You're just going to keep going.

01:18:47.000 Honest to God, I can't remember where I was going with this story.

01:18:49.000 And so I was just like rambling until I get my head straight.

01:18:51.000 I'm like that deer in that video.

01:18:54.000 So those two were, again, same thing, supposedly engaged in espionage.

01:19:00.000 And so they got chucked in.

01:19:02.000 So we'll see.

01:19:04.000 I mean, you know, whether we're able to get anything from this, who knows?

01:19:08.000 But that's a good sign.

01:19:09.000 The fact that he met with, as you pointed out, President Moon from South Korea, a very good sign.

01:19:14.000 The Chinese have, they sent their foreign minister over to Pyongyang a couple weeks ago.

01:19:20.000 First time the foreign minister's been over there in maybe 11 years, 12 years.

01:19:24.000 So they understand the importance of this.

01:19:26.000 And I think everybody's The dynamic has shifted because I think we've kicked the can down the road for so long that they're basically at the point where their programs are close to being fully developed.

01:19:39.000 And I think that the Chinese understand that that means that all those other options perhaps of kicking the can down the road, Aren't on the decision tree anymore. 0.78

01:19:47.000 And so, you know, they don't want chaos on the peninsula.

01:19:50.000 They don't want military conflict.

01:19:51.000 Nobody does.

01:19:52.000 And so I think the Chinese for basically the first time have been aggressively assisting with the sanctions that were put in place.

01:19:59.000 And that had a very quick response on Kim Jong Un.

01:20:02.000 He's not suicidal.

01:20:03.000 He just wants to survive in position of leadership.

01:20:05.000 So he's looking at it thinking, okay, the calculus has changed.

01:20:08.000 So I got to do something different.

01:20:10.000 And again, being pragmatic, maybe it doesn't work, but at least we're trying.

01:20:14.000 And I think that's a good thing.

01:20:16.000 No, unquestionably, it's a good thing.

01:20:18.000 And also the video of that North Korean soldier fleeing and getting shot at as he escapes North Korea.

01:20:26.000 I mean, that had to get to North Korea, too.

01:20:29.000 And they realize, like, Jesus Christ, there's a second guy.

01:20:31.000 And how many months that was fleeing like that and got away.

01:20:35.000 And they're finding parasites in their body and everything.

01:20:38.000 Extreme malnourishment.

01:20:40.000 And this is a soldier.

01:20:41.000 So you've got to think everybody over there is probably in dire straits.

01:20:46.000 Right.

01:20:46.000 And they've talked about this in terms of just a simple – not simple, but the idea that the population in terms of its physical stature compared to the South Koreans is – they're shorter.

01:20:57.000 And that's a malnutrition issue.

01:20:59.000 I think also I think they've realized that there's only so much they can do going forward to lock the place down.

01:21:07.000 And technology at some point, even though it's North Korea and there's not a lot there, There's enough, and I think there's a sense that they – how long can they control the population the way they have? 0.99

01:21:17.000 So again, he's not – Kim is not suicidal.

01:21:21.000 He wants to maintain power.

01:21:22.000 When you think about every country acts in its own best interest or every leader acts in their own best interest, that's his thought process.

01:21:29.000 And how do I do that?

01:21:30.000 Well, okay.

01:21:32.000 Maybe – so I think that it could happen.

01:21:35.000 We could get something really good out of this.

01:21:36.000 We'll see.

01:21:38.000 You know, but the Iranians are watching it and North Koreans are watching what we did with Iran. 0.93

01:21:42.000 I disagree with that whole notion that North Koreans are going to look at it and go, ah, that means we can't trust them.

01:21:48.000 Look, if President Obama was so enamored with that deal that he made with the Iranians, well then take it to the Senate, right?

01:21:55.000 Make it a treaty.

01:21:57.000 You made it an agreement, an executive order basically.

01:22:01.000 And so they're not looking – I don't think the North Koreans are looking at this and going – Trump is going back on his word.

01:22:08.000 I think they're looking at it and going, Trump's – OK, he means it.

01:22:10.000 He's not going to put up with a bad deal.

01:22:13.000 And this wasn't that good a deal.

01:22:15.000 So I think that's the way that they would process it.

01:22:19.000 And we'll see.

01:22:20.000 But, you know, who knows where the Iranians are going to go with what they're doing. 1.00

01:22:22.000 And people right now listening are probably thinking, okay, I'm tired of listening about the Iranians. 1.00

01:22:26.000 Well, that seems to be something you're really concerned about.

01:22:29.000 Well, I think only because, you know, if it's not handled properly and there's a lot of moving parts, meaning our allies, meaning the wild card of what Rouhani and the regime is going to do.

01:22:39.000 But look, make no mistake, there's no – this idea that somehow this was a moderate Iranian regime.

01:22:45.000 All you got to do is look at what they're engaged in doing in the Lebanon, in Yemen, in a proxy war with the Saudis and others, in Iraq and Syria, in the work that they're doing.

01:22:55.000 And all the soldiers, U.S. soldiers that they killed in Iraq, you know, through the provision of weapons, the training that they gave to the Iraqis that were fighting against us.

01:23:09.000 Yeah, look at all of that.

01:23:12.000 At what point did somebody make some decision that the Iranians were somehow moderate?

01:23:16.000 Because they're not.

01:23:18.000 That regime isn't.

01:23:19.000 The people themselves – we keep hoping one day – I mean you go all the way back to the fall of the Shah and people hoping that the people will rise up and overthrow the clerics.

01:23:29.000 Do you think it's the same attitude that causes people to be apologists, like the same attitude that's causing people to ask – Yeah,

01:23:47.000 I think so.

01:23:47.000 I think it's an element of that.

01:23:50.000 I think it's...

01:23:52.000 It's a desire to, again, sort of think well.

01:23:58.000 That part of it I don't really understand, again, because you would think that you would base that on people's performance, and all you've got to do is look at past performance of the clerics and the regime they're in Iran that runs things.

01:24:07.000 And I don't know how you come away from it thinking, well, they're being actually pretty moderate.

01:24:11.000 They're being pretty conciliatory.

01:24:13.000 And that's what we got.

01:24:15.000 The previous administration, they just stretched themselves thin trying to sell this deal.

01:24:21.000 I mean they did everything they could to try to race to it, make sure it was going to happen.

01:24:25.000 They set things aside.

01:24:28.000 And, you know, we've caught the Iranians in the past cheating. 1.00

01:24:31.000 And this business with Netanyahu, and he came out with this information that they pulled out of this warehouse where it was being stored.

01:24:36.000 Yes, that was, you know, historical, covered the period of 1999 to 2003. And what was that again?

01:24:42.000 How did that work?

01:24:43.000 Mossad had an operation that they engaged in.

01:24:46.000 There was a warehouse in Tehran where the Iranian regime, rather than destroy all their research and all the work they were doing on nuclear weapons up until that time, during that time, they stored it.

01:25:02.000 And so they put it in a warehouse facility.

01:25:07.000 Mossad and some other liaison service found out the location, and then they mounted an operation, which is very labor-intensive.

01:25:18.000 You've got to do a lot of surveillance.

01:25:19.000 You've got to recruit assets who can provide you with key information about this.

01:25:22.000 And then eventually they hoiked out a bunch of these documents, 50,000 pages of documents and almost 200 CDs.

01:25:32.000 That information covers 1999 to 2003 and one of the things that it shows definitively is that one of the things the Iranians were doing were they were designing and looking to build a minimum of five nuclear warheads, right, for their ballistic missiles that they're also developing and building.

01:25:49.000 Which puts a nail on that whole idea that it was nothing but a peaceful program.

01:25:53.000 But people looking at it, they're apologists, and they're saying, ah, it's old history, it's old news.

01:25:57.000 It doesn't tell us anything new.

01:25:58.000 Well, it tells us and confirms to us what we've been saying all along, which is that, you know, they were lying about it.

01:26:05.000 And they were lying about the extent of their centrifuge operations, the extent of the stored materials that they had.

01:26:17.000 I just don't know how you make that leap to then say, okay, now they're fine.

01:26:21.000 Now we can believe them.

01:26:22.000 Why?

01:26:23.000 Because why?

01:26:24.000 I don't get that part.

01:26:26.000 So I'm not willing to see it until they want to give us 100% access to all their sites.

01:26:30.000 They want to say, come on in and look at Parchin.

01:26:32.000 Come on and look at the military facilities where we used for weapons development in the past.

01:26:36.000 Great.

01:26:37.000 Now you got something and now I'll back off and say, okay, maybe that's a good deal actually.

01:26:42.000 Give us access to all those sites and let us go in and look around.

01:26:47.000 The IAEA, which is the international organization for inspection of these nuclear sites, they spent 12 years trying to figure out what the hell was going on at Parchin, which is a military site near Tehran, and never, never were able to get the access they needed,

01:27:04.000 never were able to solve the question.

01:27:06.000 And they went on and on with that investigation.

01:27:08.000 Well, guess what?

01:27:09.000 As a result of the drive by the administration to get a deal signed, Part of the conditions from the Iranian regime was that they stop this investigation, just draw a line under it.

01:27:18.000 They had no answers.

01:27:20.000 They just said, well, no, we're not going to sign a deal unless you stop that investigation.

01:27:24.000 So we did.

01:27:25.000 We stopped the investigation.

01:27:27.000 And like I said, they also said, well, you can't visit our sites, our military sites.

01:27:30.000 Oh, okay, fine.

01:27:31.000 We won't.

01:27:32.000 By the way, this doesn't affect our ballistic missile technology development or weapons program.

01:27:38.000 Okay, fine.

01:27:39.000 Who made these decisions?

01:27:41.000 Well, this was two years, as former Secretary Kerry would like to say, you know, it was two years of diplomatic work and hard negotiations.

01:27:49.000 Hard negotiations, come on.

01:27:51.000 So, you know, we worked reportedly in concert with the Brits and the French and the Germans and the Russians and the Chinese, although it was mostly, you know, from our side.

01:28:02.000 And...

01:28:04.000 It is what it is.

01:28:05.000 So are they complying with what they've got in the terms of the agreement?

01:28:08.000 Yeah, fine.

01:28:10.000 But like I said, I just think – and it kind of goes to that point about the truth is always kind of in the middle, right?

01:28:15.000 I mean the truth is somewhere there.

01:28:17.000 It's not like – it's not me throwing grenades at the progressives of the left or the democrats saying, you know, it's a terrible deal. 0.99

01:28:24.000 It sucks. 0.94

01:28:24.000 It's like, no, look, a deal could be good. 0.94

01:28:27.000 And I'm glad that we've been able to inspect those sites that have been available.

01:28:31.000 That's a good thing.

01:28:32.000 But don't couch it as something that's not.

01:28:35.000 And, you know, if the Brits and the French and the Germans are now willing to say it's an inadequate deal, but we still want to stay in, you know, that should tell people something.

01:28:47.000 And, you know, but anyway, that's not where we're at.

01:28:51.000 We're at everybody stands around screaming at the sky because they're upset about one side or the other. 0.98

01:28:55.000 And, you know, crap doesn't get done.

01:28:57.000 How much time do you spend thinking about this? 0.96

01:28:59.000 Because you're in civilian life now.

01:29:01.000 Yeah.

01:29:02.000 Yeah.

01:29:03.000 You know what?

01:29:04.000 Are you ever really in civilian life?

01:29:07.000 Oh, you're in civilian life.

01:29:10.000 Yeah.

01:29:11.000 No, we are.

01:29:12.000 Of course we are.

01:29:13.000 Yeah.

01:29:14.000 And thank God for that, because it's a young person's game. 1.00

01:29:19.000 But I probably spend more time.

01:29:23.000 I don't have a lot of friends.

01:29:24.000 Yeah.

01:29:27.000 So I invited you to go fishing.

01:29:28.000 Come on, Joe.

01:29:29.000 Be my friend.

01:29:30.000 Go fishing with me.

01:29:30.000 I'll go fishing with you.

01:29:31.000 We'll just sit around and say, like, it was good fishing, but all he wanted to do was talk about Iran. 0.99

01:29:36.000 Fucking boring. 0.98

01:29:37.000 So, yeah, you know, I'd probably spend a little more time. 0.98

01:29:41.000 But I will tell you what's fun is that some of it does rub off, right?

01:29:45.000 Like my three little guys, you know, or even my daughter.

01:29:48.000 She loves international affairs.

01:29:49.000 She loves international relations and what's going on in the world.

01:29:52.000 She travels a lot.

01:29:53.000 I think that's good, right?

01:29:54.000 So maybe some of that rubbed off, you know, sitting around the dinner table and talking about these things or me banging on about it.

01:29:58.000 And I thought every now and then I think I'm being boring, but maybe they picked up on something.

01:30:02.000 And sometimes my kids will say something, you know, like Scooter, the oldest one.

01:30:07.000 He's only 10 years old.

01:30:10.000 The governor came in or a governor candidate came in because we're coming up on an election cycle.

01:30:15.000 A governor candidate came in and a good guy.

01:30:17.000 We know him, you know, a nice guy.

01:30:18.000 And he came in to talk to Ben's class, right?

01:30:21.000 Fifth grade class.

01:30:22.000 And, you know, Ben raised his hand during the question period and said, so what would you do differently because Idaho was ranked 43rd in education.

01:30:32.000 And I know he said this because this guy then called me later and he says, your kid asked this question.

01:30:37.000 First of all, I was like, hey, come on.

01:30:39.000 Do you want more homework?

01:30:41.000 Lighten up, yeah.

01:30:42.000 Give us more homework.

01:30:43.000 But the point being is my wife, the world's greatest person, is in politics and focused in strategy and campaign problems and all sorts of things.

01:30:54.000 So she talks about it as well.

01:30:55.000 So maybe the kids absorb something like that.

01:30:57.000 And maybe if you talk about these things at home, this is not rocket science, right?

01:31:00.000 But maybe you talk about these things at home, maybe the kids do pick up on some of it.

01:31:03.000 Or they start to imagine that there's something else other than just, you know, what happens on the schoolyard.

01:31:08.000 You know, I don't know.

01:31:09.000 So I guess there's an upside to it.

01:31:11.000 I don't know where I'm going with that.

01:31:13.000 People are going like, oh my god!

01:31:15.000 There's certainly an upside to talking about things.

01:31:17.000 Yeah.

01:31:18.000 And the more kids know now, the better it is.

01:31:21.000 Well, we don't teach civics, right?

01:31:22.000 We don't teach civics in school.

01:31:24.000 The workings of government, how the government is supposed to work.

01:31:27.000 Yeah, most people get out of high school and they barely understand what's the difference between the Congress and the Senate.

01:31:31.000 Right.

01:31:32.000 And so then you get what we get, which is people reading crap on Twitter and thinking that it's always true, or that's how they form their opinion, or it's all this or it's all that.

01:31:41.000 The world is not that.

01:31:42.000 The world exists somewhere in the middle ground.

01:31:45.000 But I don't think we're failing our kids by a desire to make life easier for them, maybe.

01:31:54.000 I don't know.

01:31:55.000 I think there's definitely some truth to that.

01:31:58.000 I mean, I think...

01:32:01.000 There's a shocking lack of adversity that a lot of people have to go through in this life.

01:32:10.000 And if you go through too much soft living, you start to develop these lazy habits and this distorted perception of reality and a lack of understanding of what really hard work is and how difficult it is to get by in this life if you don't live in this cushy place that we live in.

01:32:30.000 Did you work, when you were a kid, did you work summer jobs?

01:32:32.000 Yeah.

01:32:33.000 A lot of construction jobs, mostly.

01:32:36.000 Yeah.

01:32:37.000 I mean, same thing.

01:32:38.000 You know, I have blacktop parking lots.

01:32:40.000 There's a job, right?

01:32:41.000 That's a job for your lungs.

01:32:42.000 Blacktop parking lots.

01:32:43.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:32:43.000 It's a good...

01:32:44.000 But you know what?

01:32:45.000 You made some money.

01:32:46.000 You felt good about it.

01:32:47.000 At the end of the day, you were exhausted.

01:32:48.000 But, you know, I tell my kids, I mean, they're going to have to start...

01:32:51.000 You know, the oldest one's going to be 11 soon.

01:32:54.000 It's time for him to do something.

01:32:55.000 Get a paper route.

01:32:56.000 You know, mow lawns.

01:32:58.000 So he's...

01:32:58.000 You're going to make a mow lawns at 11?

01:33:00.000 Sure, yeah. 1.00

01:33:00.000 Damn. 1.00

01:33:01.000 Yeah, he could have mowed lawns this year. 1.00

01:33:03.000 But...

01:33:06.000 That seems early.

01:33:07.000 That's not early to push a lawnmower.

01:33:09.000 I didn't have a lawnmower job when I was 11. That seems early.

01:33:13.000 No, I don't think so.

01:33:14.000 You tell them where not to put their feet in their hands and they're good.

01:33:16.000 Let the little fella have a life. 1.00

01:33:19.000 Get him involved in sports.

01:33:21.000 They all play a lot of lacrosse.

01:33:24.000 They play a lot of basketball.

01:33:25.000 Do they shovel snow yet?

01:33:26.000 Yeah, they shovel snow.

01:33:27.000 They get out there.

01:33:28.000 The 10-year-old and the 8-year-old shovel snow during the winter.

01:33:31.000 The 6-year-old's like...

01:33:32.000 Yeah, Muggsy's not doing a lot. 1.00

01:33:34.000 I gotta figure out a way out of this shit. 0.99

01:33:37.000 He's gonna be management. 0.99

01:33:38.000 I think that's what he's gonna do.

01:33:39.000 He's gonna be management somehow.

01:33:42.000 But, yeah, you know, the work ethic, I think you're absolutely right.

01:33:45.000 I mean, every...

01:33:48.000 Every generation, right?

01:33:49.000 Like, my parents wanted it to be easier for me and my brothers, right?

01:33:52.000 And their parents, I'm sure, wanted it to be easier for them, right?

01:33:56.000 And so you do that, but eventually you get to diminishing returns, right?

01:33:59.000 Because it becomes so easy.

01:34:02.000 And, you know, the kids forget what it is like to actually have to work for something.

01:34:08.000 And to compete.

01:34:09.000 And to compete.

01:34:09.000 And, you know, it's like I saw some story, not that I troll the social media, but there was a story that popped up that...

01:34:17.000 Some community, they had a cheer squad tryout, and one of the girls didn't make it on cheer squad. 1.00

01:34:24.000 I don't even know what cheer squad is.

01:34:25.000 I guess it's cheerleaders. 0.99

01:34:26.000 And the mom was upset, and so she went and complained. 0.99

01:34:29.000 And so the school decision was that everybody who tried out gets to be on the squad.

01:34:36.000 Yeah, you can imagine what that looks like.

01:34:40.000 Well, you've got to teach kids the opposite.

01:34:44.000 That if you didn't do good enough, you need to figure out what you did wrong and go back and improve and work on it.

01:34:50.000 And then if you do get in next year, you'll get an amazing feeling of accomplishment rather than an amazing feeling of entitlement that you belong in everything you try out for.

01:35:00.000 Yeah.

01:35:00.000 Well, that's going to be a big, fat wake-up call when you go out to compete in the workforce.

01:35:05.000 Right.

01:35:05.000 You try to get a job.

01:35:06.000 Oh, my God.

01:35:07.000 Nobody's going to cut you any slack, theoretically.

01:35:09.000 Yeah.

01:35:10.000 But, no, that's right.

01:35:11.000 The idea that, you know, you've got to – I mean, it's like my two older boys are – you know, people are going, oh, Mike's now talking about his kids all the time.

01:35:21.000 My two older boys have gotten to the point now where the sports thing, they play, and if they don't play well, they sit.

01:35:28.000 Because earlier than that, everybody plays.

01:35:30.000 It's equal playing time.

01:35:31.000 That's what you typically get.

01:35:33.000 And that's a good thing that little kids are learning how to play the game and where to stand and all the rest of it.

01:35:37.000 So, but then they get to a certain point, it becomes merit-based, or it should, anyway, which is how it works in Idaho, basically, at least with the teams that we're associated with, is that if you don't play that well, then maybe you don't make the team, and if you make the team and you're not playing as well as the other kids and you're sitting on the bench, and so,

01:35:53.000 you know, my kids, you know, when it first started happening, you know, they were just, they were complaining, you know, like, ah, you know, screw it, I'm not getting any playing time, and I'm thinking, well, okay, what's the next part of that thought process that you need to work your way through?

01:36:05.000 If you're not getting enough playing time, it's because you're not, what, playing as well as you should be compared to the other kids.

01:36:12.000 Therefore, what do you need to do?

01:36:13.000 So you have to walk them through this process.

01:36:15.000 And that's okay because kids don't know this stuff inherently, maybe.

01:36:18.000 Right.

01:36:19.000 And so you teach them that – but you don't teach them that, well, you're right.

01:36:23.000 Why don't you try a different sport?

01:36:24.000 Or, you know, you're right.

01:36:25.000 We should talk to the coach about your practice.

01:36:27.000 Or worse.

01:36:28.000 They're making it too difficult for the children, and they're not having a good time, and it should be about companionship, and it shouldn't be about competition.

01:36:36.000 Well, you're setting your kid up for failure, because it can be about both.

01:36:40.000 It can be about companionship, but also about competition.

01:36:43.000 Right.

01:36:43.000 Look...

01:36:45.000 The world is competition.

01:36:46.000 It's filled with it.

01:36:47.000 If you're not competing, if you just decide you don't want to have anything to do with competition, that's your choice.

01:36:53.000 But if you engage in something that does require competition, you want special access.

01:36:58.000 Right, right, right.

01:36:59.000 If you don't have that nature, if you don't have that competitive side of you, okay, fine.

01:37:05.000 But then don't go through the rest of life thinking, well, just because life is a competition, which may upset you when you find that out, that you don't get special dispensation just because you're not a competitive person.

01:37:15.000 So I agree with it.

01:37:17.000 Participation trophies and all the nonsense that's going on today.

01:37:21.000 Well, I was walking one of my boys, the oldest one off the lacrosse field not too long ago, and he said, how did I do?

01:37:29.000 And I said, well, you could have done better.

01:37:32.000 You could have played harder.

01:37:33.000 He just wasn't into it, right?

01:37:35.000 He was tired or whatever.

01:37:36.000 So he kind of looked at me, and I didn't realize I was walking and there were some parents around me as we were walking across the field.

01:37:42.000 And so he kind of looks at me, and I knew what he was thinking, which is, Dad, that's not right.

01:37:47.000 And so I looked at her and I said, do you want me to be honest with you? 1.00

01:37:50.000 Do you want me to just, you know, stand here and blow smoke up your ass? 1.00

01:37:54.000 I found out afterwards that a couple of parents were upset about the fact that I would say that, but he knew exactly what I meant. 0.99

01:37:59.000 And he said, no, you should be honest.

01:38:00.000 The parents were upset at you for being honest.

01:38:03.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:38:04.000 And to be fair, Muggsy, the youngest one, got called in for...

01:38:08.000 He got called in for using the word douchebag one time, but a funnier one was when he and two of his buddies, who shall not be named, were out in the playground not too long ago.

01:38:20.000 And they were sitting down and they were playing some game, right?

01:38:22.000 And it was recess and all the kids, all the different grades are out there running around.

01:38:26.000 And everybody knows my little kid, you know, Muggsy. 0.99

01:38:28.000 He's like the mayor of the town.

01:38:29.000 He's just a jolly happy guy.

01:38:31.000 He's going to be the guy that takes 10 years to get out of college, right?

01:38:34.000 And so he and his two little buddies are sitting there and they're playing some game where they got to count with their fingers.

01:38:39.000 So at one point, Jack has the number one and he puts up a finger, right?

01:38:43.000 And one of the other kids starts laughing because he's got an older brother who told him what it means.

01:38:49.000 So he tells him what it means.

01:38:50.000 So they start shouting this out, this word.

01:38:53.000 They start shouting. 0.98

01:38:53.000 Well, a couple of the older kids walk by and they hear these three kids, six years old, yelling this word and laughing uproariously because they think it's the funniest fucking thing they've ever heard. 0.98

01:39:03.000 And so they get called into the principal. 0.97

01:39:06.000 Well, what happens next?

01:39:07.000 I have to find out about this, right?

01:39:09.000 So now they notify the parents.

01:39:11.000 And admittedly, the principal's laughing when they're telling the story.

01:39:14.000 But now I have to have a conversation with Muggsy when I come home. 1.00

01:39:17.000 So I come home and I said, Muggsy, anything happened today?

01:39:20.000 And he goes, no, nothing happened.

01:39:21.000 And he walked right by me.

01:39:22.000 And I said, wait, wait, wait, come back here.

01:39:23.000 I said, did you get called into the principal?

01:39:25.000 So he goes, oh, yeah.

01:39:27.000 He said, we were playing on the playground.

01:39:30.000 And I went like this.

01:39:31.000 And do you know what this means?

01:39:34.000 And I look at him and I said, no, I don't need to know. 0.99

01:39:37.000 And I look out of the corner of my eye, I see his two older brothers, like, around the corner, just waiting, because they know he's going to get his ass kicked, right, for this. 0.99

01:39:43.000 And they're just like, they can't wait. 0.98

01:39:45.000 And so I said, no, I don't need to know what it is, just don't do it again.

01:39:49.000 Whatever you do, don't do it again.

01:39:51.000 And he goes, no, no, no, no.

01:39:52.000 You've got to know what this means.

01:39:54.000 And he's really intent on it.

01:39:55.000 And so I said, and these two other boys screw his son, they're like, oh, he's going to get so drunk.

01:40:01.000 And I said, all right, what does it mean? 1.00

01:40:03.000 And I had no idea what he was going to say, but what he did say was, Motherfucker! 1.00

01:40:10.000 And that's what they were yelling on the playground. 1.00

01:40:13.000 All three of them at the top of their lungs yelling, motherfucker! 1.00

01:40:16.000 And they're six. 1.00

01:40:17.000 At six years old.

01:40:18.000 That's adorable.

01:40:19.000 And I started laughing and the two mother boys walked away disgusted that I was laughing.

01:40:23.000 And that's the end of my story.

01:40:25.000 They're great kids.

01:40:27.000 So how do you take that genie and put it back in the bottle?

01:40:30.000 You don't.

01:40:30.000 You just say, don't use it.

01:40:32.000 Once the six-year-old starts screaming, motherfucker. 1.00

01:40:35.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:40:37.000 There's not much you can do.

01:40:38.000 Jubilantly throwing their finger up in the air.

01:40:40.000 It's hard to do.

01:40:41.000 I mean, I find myself having to constantly catch myself.

01:40:43.000 I'll say, you know, things like, you know, you quit jackassing around.

01:40:46.000 And then I'll think, okay, I probably shouldn't say that, you know, but that's fine.

01:40:50.000 I can't get, you know, my dad was the greatest guy I've ever known in my life, and he swore, and it didn't scar me.

01:40:57.000 I don't have a problem with it.

01:40:59.000 It's part of what I do for a living.

01:41:01.000 We were skiing with my youngest daughter, who was three, and we're packing up the stuff, and she forgot to pack her helmet.

01:41:12.000 Her helmet wasn't packed in a thing. 0.99

01:41:14.000 She looks down at her luggage, she looks down at the helmet, and she goes, Shit! 0.99

01:41:20.000 This is something adorable. 1.00

01:41:23.000 She was three at the time, about a three-year-old saying, shit. 1.00

01:41:27.000 Well, see if she could get together with Muggsy, then she could have said, shit, and you could have said, what happened? 1.00

01:41:31.000 And she could have said, I forgot my motherfucking helmet. 1.00

01:41:36.000 Then she's got it completely sentenced. 0.99

01:41:38.000 Oh, God.

01:41:39.000 I mean, there's something really cute about kids swearing.

01:41:42.000 Yeah.

01:41:42.000 It's just adorable.

01:41:44.000 We try to tell them, you know, don't, don't, yeah.

01:41:46.000 We try to teach them the basics.

01:41:47.000 Don't swear if you can help it.

01:41:49.000 But that's part of the problem, is that they're going to, it seems so attractive, you know, to do, because they're not supposed to do it, and when no one's around, like, you know what I heard?

01:41:57.000 I found a new word that starts with a C. Yeah.

01:41:59.000 Oh, you know they're doing it.

01:42:00.000 You know they, yeah.

01:42:01.000 What's that one?

01:42:02.000 I don't know. 0.99

01:42:04.000 Cunt. 1.00

01:42:04.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:42:05.000 Ooh! 0.96

01:42:05.000 We learned everything we learned from older brothers, right? 0.96

01:42:08.000 Or from friends who had older brothers.

01:42:10.000 But it was a slower process, right? 0.91

01:42:12.000 In part because we didn't have the internet and all that crap. 0.56

01:42:14.000 And so I think it took a little bit longer to learn. 0.92

01:42:19.000 I don't think I really rolled out douchebag until I was probably 12, maybe 13. Well, we were talking yesterday about access to the internet where kids see so much more and hear so much more today.

01:42:32.000 Especially like violent images and their access to terrible things.

01:42:37.000 There's just so much that if you leave a kid alone with a computer or a phone that's online...

01:42:43.000 They're just going to find out everything about the world way before their little brains are ready.

01:42:47.000 No, you can't do it.

01:42:48.000 You've got to lock it down, right?

01:42:50.000 I mean, it's a good thing.

01:42:51.000 They've got to learn the technology, unlike what I apparently did.

01:42:55.000 I'm going to leave my watch here for you, since I don't know how to use it.

01:42:59.000 What year are you going to let them get online?

01:43:02.000 Well, they can do school research if they need to.

01:43:06.000 They can, like, the middle one loves basketball.

01:43:09.000 He loves basketball.

01:43:10.000 So he can look up, you know, Steph Curry videos, things like that, as long as they've got supervision.

01:43:14.000 They have to have supervision.

01:43:15.000 You have to know what they're doing.

01:43:18.000 But you're right, because if you let them have free reign, it's a freak zone out there.

01:43:24.000 And they'll find it just by accident.

01:43:26.000 And you're right.

01:43:27.000 I think their minds can't...

01:43:29.000 You can't ask kids to process all the crap that's out there on the internet at that early age.

01:43:36.000 It's not fair. 0.55

01:43:37.000 It's not right.

01:43:37.000 And you can't tell me that there's not some correlation between access to all that imaging and violent images and everything else and some of the problems that we have in the world today when we ask, how does that kid, how does he go so far off the rails that he steals a gun or takes a gun out of the house and shoots up a place?

01:43:54.000 How does that happen?

01:43:55.000 I don't know.

01:43:56.000 I mean, again, I'm not a psychiatrist, so people don't listen to me and take that as medical advice.

01:44:04.000 I know what you're saying.

01:44:04.000 I mean, there's a reality of the world that we live in.

01:44:07.000 And these images, I mean...

01:44:12.000 You're not going to change the world that we live in by limiting the access these kids have to these things, but it is strange how much access we have to disturbing images, violence, violent videos.

01:44:26.000 Your brain knows that that's out there and that there's just so many more examples of it to watch.

01:44:32.000 If you were 12 years old or whatever in the old days, Yeah.

01:44:36.000 And maybe you found out where your dad stored the Playboys.

01:44:39.000 Yeah.

01:44:39.000 That was it.

01:44:40.000 Yeah.

01:44:40.000 In this case, a cardboard box in the back hall closet.

01:44:44.000 Then that was, you know, that was it.

01:44:45.000 But that was what you, how, I mean, that's how you learned, right?

01:44:48.000 Yeah, I never saw, I mean, I saw a few altercations in my neighborhood when I was growing up.

01:44:53.000 But like a real violent encounter, I never saw anything.

01:44:57.000 No, no.

01:44:57.000 Shoot-em-up games now that we've got.

01:44:59.000 So we use that Xbox that I talked about.

01:45:02.000 It's all sports games.

01:45:04.000 The whole Gears of War and Call of Duty and all the rest of it.

01:45:07.000 You don't allow that?

01:45:08.000 No, you can't do that.

01:45:10.000 But then again, you know, your kid will go out to his friend's house.

01:45:14.000 Yep.

01:45:14.000 And the next thing you know, they're like, this is awesome!

01:45:16.000 His head exploded!

01:45:18.000 Exactly.

01:45:18.000 Yeah.

01:45:19.000 And I don't know.

01:45:21.000 So, you know, what do you do?

01:45:23.000 You're right, you can't protect him, but you've got to do your best.

01:45:26.000 Well, the world's changing, but it's changing faster than we realize.

01:45:31.000 That we're aware of in regard to the impact that it has on kids.

01:45:35.000 I just think it's changing for the people that are adults, like, wow, the world's changing.

01:45:39.000 Yeah, it's changing for that four-year-old that's growing up in that world right now, and they're going to have, the moment they get online, it's going to go from, I'm just a little kid, live my little kid, that's my mommy, that's my daddy, to woof!

01:45:54.000 The big world, all in one big smash. 0.99

01:45:57.000 I don't think an adult's brain is designed to handle most of this shit that we have access to online. 1.00

01:46:05.000 Forget about a growing mind. 0.99

01:46:06.000 What influence that has on society is really yet to be determined. 0.92

01:46:10.000 What are they doing to that donkey and why?

01:46:13.000 How much do they get paid for that? 0.99

01:46:16.000 I didn't know that was a career you could engage in.

01:46:23.000 Like I said, I've got a daughter.

01:46:25.000 There's an interesting age difference, right?

01:46:26.000 So what is that?

01:46:27.000 That's about 12, 13 years age difference, right?

01:46:30.000 And so I feel like there's a social thing there where you can study this as a case study.

01:46:36.000 What my daughter went through growing up and accessed information.

01:46:39.000 Which was uniquely different than now, even though she started, there was really no internet or anything, but then it exploded by the time she was essentially a tween, I guess.

01:46:49.000 Or the difference between you and I, who grew up with nothing.

01:46:52.000 Right.

01:46:53.000 No internet, and then it became the internet when we're fully formed and as an adult.

01:46:58.000 And then you got a chance to see it, and even then screwed it up and made mistakes and got online and got viruses on your computer and saw some stuff you really didn't want to see.

01:47:08.000 Had that dial tone.

01:47:10.000 Yeah.

01:47:10.000 Remember, you dial in when you would get there.

01:47:14.000 And then the picture would kind of come in in little blips.

01:47:18.000 Oh, yeah.

01:47:18.000 And you'd realize when you didn't really want to see it anymore.

01:47:21.000 Like, uh-oh.

01:47:22.000 When did you first get a cell phone?

01:47:25.000 I got one real early.

01:47:26.000 I got a cell phone in the 80s.

01:47:28.000 Wow.

01:47:29.000 Yeah.

01:47:29.000 Well, I was a comedian.

01:47:31.000 In, like, 89, I think, I had a cell phone.

01:47:35.000 I had a cell phone in my car.

01:47:37.000 It was, like, permanently bolted down to my car.

01:47:40.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:47:40.000 Yeah, I got it.

01:47:41.000 So I could get...

01:47:42.000 The thing about it was I could get gigs with it.

01:47:46.000 So people get a hold of you.

01:47:48.000 Yeah, like Bill Blumenwright, who's the owner of the Wilbur Theatre in Boston, who was owner of the Comedy Connection back then, always jokes around about it.

01:47:58.000 He was like, you got a lot of work because you were the only comedian with a cell phone.

01:48:01.000 So he can call me up and say, hey, this guy just got a flat tire on his way to New Hampshire.

01:48:07.000 Can you do the gig? 0.96

01:48:07.000 I'm like, fuck yeah, I'm in. 0.96

01:48:09.000 I'm there. 0.98

01:48:10.000 I'm already in my car because that's where my phone is.

01:48:12.000 How much did you have to pay for that phone?

01:48:14.000 I don't remember.

01:48:15.000 I couldn't afford it.

01:48:16.000 It couldn't have been cheap.

01:48:16.000 No, I couldn't afford it.

01:48:18.000 I remember not being able to pay for it after a while. 0.97

01:48:21.000 Yeah, I was a dummy.

01:48:23.000 I always spent more money than I had.

01:48:24.000 I mean, it's...

01:48:26.000 Yeah, I've never been good with finances.

01:48:28.000 I've never been frugal.

01:48:30.000 But it was one of those things where I realized I could get it, so I got it.

01:48:33.000 But you remember those times you'd have to drive around?

01:48:35.000 Before that, before you had that phone in your car.

01:48:39.000 You'd have to drive around looking for a public pay phone.

01:48:41.000 Oh, yeah, and you got to get quarters.

01:48:43.000 Right.

01:48:43.000 Or you had to have a calling card.

01:48:44.000 Remember those things?

01:48:45.000 Yeah.

01:48:46.000 You'd have a card.

01:48:47.000 I would get fake cards, too.

01:48:49.000 You could buy them off people.

01:48:51.000 They were like counterfeit cards, and they were good for a couple days, and they'd go under...

01:48:56.000 And you could buy other ones.

01:48:57.000 And then there was other things you could do.

01:48:58.000 You could take a sound device and put it up to the phone.

01:49:02.000 And you could get a call with that.

01:49:06.000 Like you would put up this thing to the voice box area and it would make noises like...

01:49:11.000 And it would somehow or another trick...

01:49:14.000 Open up the line.

01:49:15.000 I remember that.

01:49:16.000 We used to, before the...

01:49:18.000 Before the cell phone technology hit, and this is the early days of being with the agency, when you were overseas, if you were in an urban setting, you spent half your time looking for operating payphones, right?

01:49:29.000 In some third or fourth world country, you're trying to find a payphone that actually works because you've got to make some sort of call related to whatever operation you're engaged in.

01:49:38.000 And, you know, the kids today in the agency don't understand that, you know, because they've all got great technology and mobile communications.

01:49:46.000 But, yeah, in the old days, it didn't work that way.

01:49:51.000 Most people don't even know what a phone booth is.

01:49:54.000 No, yeah, exactly.

01:49:55.000 They say, like, about fights.

01:49:57.000 That's like a common expression.

01:49:58.000 These two could have fought in a phone booth.

01:50:00.000 They could have fought in a...

01:50:01.000 I can't even say it.

01:50:02.000 Could have fought in a phone booth. 0.94

01:50:04.000 But today you say, fought in a phone booth, and people go, why not just say they could have fought on a fucking, you know, something else that doesn't exist anymore. 0.95

01:50:12.000 A wine barrel. 0.92

01:50:14.000 Well, London.

01:50:15.000 You go to London now, and there's those iconic red phone booths.

01:50:18.000 None of them have a phone in it.

01:50:19.000 None of them work.

01:50:20.000 What are they now?

01:50:20.000 They just keep them there?

01:50:21.000 They just kept them up, yeah.

01:50:22.000 I think they kept them up.

01:50:23.000 You could probably find one occasionally that's got a phone in it, but it wasn't that long ago, I remember, they actually had functioning phones in those things.

01:50:29.000 Oh, yeah.

01:50:30.000 I mean, you would go outside any 7-Eleven or whatever, and there would be a bank of payphones.

01:50:35.000 I actually stopped and took a picture.

01:50:36.000 I was out.

01:50:36.000 I forget where the hell I was.

01:50:37.000 I was out of nowhere.

01:50:38.000 Pulled into a gas station.

01:50:39.000 I was pulling out after, oddly enough, getting gas.

01:50:42.000 And I looked over to the side and there was a payphone against the wall.

01:50:47.000 And the receiver was just dangling on the ground.

01:50:49.000 But I literally stopped, got out and took a picture of it.

01:50:51.000 So I could show my kids.

01:50:53.000 You know, we used to make calls on these things.

01:50:55.000 This is how it worked.

01:50:57.000 I remember when there was no answering machines.

01:50:59.000 You remember that?

01:50:59.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:51:00.000 And the first answering machine, whoever your buddy was that got the answering machine first, you thought, man, that's the deal.

01:51:06.000 You're so posh.

01:51:07.000 And I remember we got an answering machine where you could call it, and then when the dial tone went on, you would punch in a code, and you could listen to your messages, and you weren't even home!

01:51:18.000 You could retrieve those messages.

01:51:20.000 It was crazy.

01:51:21.000 We couldn't believe it.

01:51:21.000 You could have called from your car to your answering machine.

01:51:25.000 There's a funny...

01:51:26.000 What do I know?

01:51:29.000 But you should never start a story out by saying there's a funny story.

01:51:32.000 There's a story that when Lyndon Johnson was president...

01:51:38.000 Not president, I take that back.

01:51:39.000 He was in the Senate.

01:51:41.000 And there was another guy, Dirksen, who was a famous senator.

01:51:44.000 And so Johnson was...

01:51:47.000 One day he was driving.

01:51:50.000 Dirksen gets this call.

01:51:51.000 I think I got that guy right.

01:51:53.000 Gets a call from Johnson.

01:51:54.000 And they're talking, and Johnson says, I've got to talk to you about this thing.

01:51:58.000 He says, hold on a second.

01:52:00.000 He says, we're just pulling up outside the building.

01:52:03.000 I've got to get out.

01:52:03.000 I'll call you when I get to my office.

01:52:05.000 Dirksen says, where are you calling me now?

01:52:06.000 He goes, I've got a phone in my car.

01:52:08.000 And so...

01:52:10.000 Dirksen hangs up and immediately says, I got to get one of those.

01:52:12.000 So as the story goes, pulled some strings there in the Senate, got somebody to put a phone in his car.

01:52:19.000 And so then he calls Johnson and he says, Lyndon, I'm just calling you from my car.

01:52:26.000 And Johnson says, that's great.

01:52:29.000 Hold on a second.

01:52:29.000 I got a call coming in on the other line.

01:52:33.000 Hangs up on him.

01:52:34.000 So, hey, hey, whether it's true or not, it's an apocryphal story.

01:52:38.000 They had phones in their car back then?

01:52:40.000 Yeah, well, you know, if you're a senator.

01:52:42.000 What year did they invent car phones?

01:52:47.000 Probably the year you got one.

01:52:48.000 No, I have no idea when they invented car phones, but, you know.

01:52:52.000 Jamie?

01:52:52.000 We should look into that.

01:52:53.000 1946. 1946. What?

01:52:55.000 Yeah.

01:52:56.000 What?

01:52:57.000 Yeah.

01:52:57.000 Wait a minute.

01:52:59.000 1946. Imagine what kind of pimp you had to be in 1969 to pull up in like a 69 Corvette with a fucking phone in your car. 1.00

01:53:08.000 Or a Lincoln Town car. 0.99

01:53:09.000 Whoa, this is what it looked like?

01:53:10.000 A car phone is a mobile phone device specifically designed to be fitted in an automobile.

01:53:16.000 That's what we used to call them back then.

01:53:17.000 Car phones, remember?

01:53:18.000 Service originated with the Bell system and was first used in St. Louis June 17th, 1946!

01:53:25.000 Wow. 0.98

01:53:26.000 Before the fucking end of the war, right? 0.99

01:53:28.000 Was it? 0.99

01:53:28.000 No, no, no. 0.99

01:53:29.000 That was after the end of the war.

01:53:30.000 When did the war end?

01:53:31.000 45. Okay.

01:53:32.000 So a year after the World War II. That's incredible.

01:53:36.000 They had a phone in their car.

01:53:37.000 And more importantly, why St. Louis?

01:53:40.000 What the hell was going on in St. Louis?

01:53:41.000 That's the site of the first car phone.

01:53:43.000 Wow.

01:53:44.000 It was a radio enthusiast who had the foresight to invent the annoying habit of talking in the phone while in the car.

01:53:50.000 So it basically worked on a radio, and it would somehow or another connect to a regular phone line?

01:53:55.000 Is that what it worked?

01:53:57.000 Jesus Christ.

01:53:58.000 Yeah, this is way beyond my Apple Watch now.

01:54:00.000 So presidents had this.

01:54:02.000 Look, Johnson had it when he was in the Senate.

01:54:04.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:54:05.000 And that would have been, you know, what's that?

01:54:06.000 That would have been like 15 years after this happened, or 14 years after they invented it in St. Louis.

01:54:14.000 But yeah, I remember when they, you know, the mobile phone then was that big case, you know, that we carry around, and you have to get out of your car, set it out on your car, and then they started getting there. 0.95

01:54:22.000 Yeah, a big fucking thing you throw over your shoulder, a big handle. 0.55

01:54:26.000 I got a big box at home full of all the old phones that I've had over the years. 0.99

01:54:31.000 And it's like if I could ever get myself organized, I would turn it into some sort of wall art installation.

01:54:37.000 Because it's cell phones through the years.

01:54:39.000 At least covering the past three decades.

01:54:41.000 It's certainly interesting.

01:54:42.000 What do you got there, Jamie?

01:54:43.000 This is the first thing he had developed in 1920. What is that?

01:54:48.000 It's like a mobile wireless transmission device.

01:54:50.000 So he could send in and receive messages.

01:54:52.000 In the 1920s?

01:54:53.000 Phone-like.

01:54:53.000 In 1920s.

01:54:55.000 Jesus.

01:54:55.000 That guy behind him is the boss, you can tell.

01:54:57.000 He's listening.

01:54:58.000 He's the guy in charge, man.

01:55:02.000 Wow.

01:55:04.000 Yeah, I think that would be a great idea to show kids today.

01:55:07.000 Oh yeah.

01:55:08.000 That old brick phone from Wall Street.

01:55:11.000 Fantastic.

01:55:12.000 Remember the, what is it called, the StarTek?

01:55:15.000 StarTek? 0.80

01:55:16.000 I saw somebody still using one of those the other day.

01:55:19.000 Yeah, the little flip phone.

01:55:20.000 Hipster.

01:55:20.000 The little flip phone with the antenna would come out.

01:55:23.000 Yeah.

01:55:24.000 To be fair, he did. 0.97

01:55:25.000 He had a dork knob and a beard. 0.98

01:55:27.000 StarTek. 0.98

01:55:28.000 That was a sweet phone.

01:55:29.000 I had one of those.

01:55:30.000 I was like, oh, baby.

01:55:31.000 It was like Star Trek, right?

01:55:34.000 You were like Captain Kirk with that thing.

01:55:35.000 You'd flip it open and you'd talk on it.

01:55:37.000 Remember you can get an extra fat battery for it?

01:55:39.000 Yeah.

01:55:40.000 Although that didn't set so well in your suit coat.

01:55:42.000 No, it's terrible, those fat batteries.

01:55:44.000 But if you didn't have a fat battery, you could make a call for four minutes.

01:55:50.000 Battery technology was terrible back then.

01:55:53.000 That Huawei phone, by the way, has an excellent battery.

01:55:55.000 It's got a great battery.

01:55:57.000 4,000 milliamp battery.

01:55:58.000 It's giant.

01:55:58.000 You know what that battery's doing?

01:55:59.000 It's sucking all the information out of your system as you got it, yeah.

01:56:03.000 But the sweet, sweet signal that you get for so long while it does that.

01:56:06.000 It is true.

01:56:07.000 It is true.

01:56:08.000 Go out there, kids.

01:56:09.000 Get yourself a Huawei phone.

01:56:11.000 Amazing cameras.

01:56:12.000 They have a 40 megapixel camera in one.

01:56:14.000 They make all sorts of white goods, too, you know, like washers and dryers and refrigerators.

01:56:20.000 Oh, Huawei does that?

01:56:21.000 They're putting all that stuff in our homes.

01:56:22.000 Spying on you.

01:56:23.000 Yes, it is.

01:56:24.000 You think so?

01:56:24.000 I wouldn't engage in any shenanigans in my kitchen.

01:56:27.000 Not what my fridge is watching.

01:56:29.000 But I don't have a Huawei fridge.

01:56:31.000 I don't know what I have.

01:56:33.000 Who does?

01:56:33.000 I have no idea what I have.

01:56:34.000 I have no idea what I've got.

01:56:35.000 We're about ready to start.

01:56:37.000 And this is actually what the viewers, or the listeners, have been waiting for, is to hear about my kitchen renovation.

01:56:44.000 What are you going to do?

01:56:45.000 Oh, we're going to renovate the kitchen.

01:56:46.000 Put a pizza oven in?

01:56:47.000 Going to go crazy?

01:56:48.000 We're going to put a big wine cooler.

01:56:49.000 I know that.

01:56:50.000 Are you?

01:56:50.000 That was the only thing I was actually concerned about with this kitchen renovation.

01:56:54.000 Mike Baker boozing it up.

01:56:55.000 Yeah, well, you know, every now and then.

01:56:58.000 Mostly martinis, but a nice glass of wine is nice.

01:57:01.000 I do like a glass of wine.

01:57:03.000 Yeah.

01:57:06.000 So we do this thing, and I don't know...

01:57:08.000 They came over the other day, and my wife, who's definitely...

01:57:12.000 I out-punted my coverage.

01:57:13.000 She is a lot smarter than I am, and much more organized and efficient. 0.85

01:57:18.000 But she wasn't there.

01:57:19.000 So the guys with the plans, whatever they call them, the planners, they came over to show me the drawings.

01:57:26.000 As if I cared.

01:57:27.000 Right.

01:57:28.000 Or as if I could actually read these drawings, right?

01:57:30.000 The blueprints for what they're going to do to the kitchen.

01:57:33.000 So I dutifully kind of paged through them and nodded and said things like, oh, look at that.

01:57:38.000 I made a little notation on one.

01:57:40.000 I actually really did.

01:57:41.000 I just said, oh, look at it.

01:57:43.000 And so the guy says, what do you think?

01:57:44.000 And I said, yeah, let's go for it.

01:57:46.000 Let's do it.

01:57:47.000 So I approved it just by...

01:57:49.000 I have no idea what I've engaged in at this point.

01:57:52.000 But it's going to take about three months, and we're going to have ourselves one hell of a kitchen.

01:57:56.000 So it won't be done by the time you show up. 0.99

01:58:00.000 So then you'll be eaten off of one of those fucking... 1.00

01:58:04.000 We did that for a while. 1.00

01:58:05.000 We had our kitchen get renovated and we had a hot plate.

01:58:10.000 We were cooking off of a hot plate for a while.

01:58:13.000 Yeah, right back in college.

01:58:14.000 It lasted a while, but it let us appreciate the kitchen.

01:58:17.000 Did you have kids at the time?

01:58:19.000 Yeah.

01:58:19.000 Okay, yeah.

01:58:20.000 It was kind of funny.

01:58:21.000 We were laughing about it.

01:58:22.000 We thought it was funny.

01:58:23.000 We ate out a lot.

01:58:24.000 With our three, we're probably just going to go up.

01:58:27.000 We've got this little place, little cabin up in that great town of McCall.

01:58:31.000 We'll just go up there and hang out for the summer.

01:58:33.000 Oh, you've got a cabin up there, too.

01:58:34.000 Oh, that's nice.

01:58:35.000 Yeah, so we'll just stay up there and let them spend their days fishing and swimming. 0.95

01:58:39.000 That's every man's dream, to have a cabin somewhere.

01:58:42.000 Just get away. 0.98

01:58:43.000 Every man who works too hard, just give me a cabin somewhere where I could just go...

01:58:49.000 You're just getting in the car.

01:58:50.000 You're pointing the car towards the cabin.

01:58:52.000 You could be sitting in traffic for two hours.

01:58:54.000 But I'm going to the cabin.

01:58:56.000 Especially a cabin by the lake.

01:59:00.000 That's a dream.

01:59:01.000 It's a beautiful lake.

01:59:02.000 I have some friends who have a house on Coeur d'Alene.

01:59:04.000 Oh, yeah.

01:59:05.000 They took a picture, and they're in a boat, and you could see the ground like 80 foot deep with a photograph.

01:59:15.000 You could see the bottom of the lake.

01:59:17.000 It's crazy.

01:59:17.000 I'm like, how is that possible?

01:59:19.000 That water's clearer than...

01:59:20.000 That's like Fiji water.

01:59:21.000 Yeah.

01:59:22.000 You got a whole lake full of Fiji water.

01:59:23.000 You should go up there.

01:59:25.000 Well, that's what we do.

01:59:26.000 Get in Idaho.

01:59:27.000 We got a lot of money to burn up there. 0.99

01:59:28.000 It's fucking crazy, though. 0.98

01:59:29.000 I mean, it was so beautiful. 0.99

01:59:31.000 That Coeur d'Alene area, it's northern part of the country, Kootenai County, and it's great people up there.

01:59:38.000 Look at that place.

01:59:39.000 Tiger Woods has a place up there.

01:59:41.000 I bet he does.

01:59:42.000 He bangs chicks up there like crazy. 0.98

01:59:45.000 Ships him in. 0.68

01:59:45.000 Not anymore. 0.68

01:59:46.000 He's focused on golf now.

01:59:47.000 Oh, is he?

01:59:48.000 I think so.

01:59:49.000 I think he's giving up everything except golf.

01:59:51.000 I think that's why he's winning.

01:59:52.000 That's how you have to do it, Tiger. 0.74

01:59:54.000 Remember back when you were young and ugly? 0.99

01:59:57.000 Well, now you're rich and ugly. 0.99

01:59:59.000 It's too easy. 0.98

02:00:00.000 You weren't wealthy.

02:00:01.000 You weren't doing as much of that.

02:00:03.000 Those pictures are amazing.

02:00:05.000 That might be one of the most beautiful spots in the country.

02:00:08.000 Yeah, and it's just a great spot.

02:00:11.000 It takes about...

02:00:13.000 Well, it's a hell of a drive to get up there from Boise.

02:00:15.000 But you can fly to Spokane, Washington.

02:00:17.000 Great town.

02:00:18.000 And it's only about a 30-minute drive from Spokane.

02:00:20.000 Is it really?

02:00:21.000 Yeah.

02:00:21.000 Oh, wow.

02:00:22.000 Are you going up to Spokane to do a show or not?

02:00:24.000 No.

02:00:24.000 You should.

02:00:25.000 That's the move, huh?

02:00:26.000 Yeah.

02:00:26.000 Where else are you going?

02:00:27.000 Is this a one and done?

02:00:28.000 Well, I just did a Netflix special.

02:00:31.000 That I filmed, but it's not going to come out until September.

02:00:34.000 And so now I'm just going to do a bunch of gigs and get ready to put together another hour.

02:00:40.000 How long does that take?

02:00:42.000 It takes a while.

02:00:43.000 I might have to do some illegal substances.

02:00:45.000 Don't tell anybody.

02:00:46.000 I need some ideas.

02:00:48.000 No, I won't say...

02:00:48.000 Hold on a second.

02:00:49.000 I won't say anything to anybody, including the director-designate.

02:00:54.000 I'm trying to tell all these folks to make mushrooms legal.

02:00:57.000 It's not hurting anybody, and it's giving a lot of folks some real good ideas.

02:01:01.000 Oh, hey, before I forget, and I probably should have told you this offline, but Newt Gingrich thinks it would be excellent to sit down and talk to you. 0.99

02:01:11.000 Get the fuck out of here! 0.99

02:01:12.000 It's the truth. 0.99

02:01:13.000 Newt Gingrich?

02:01:14.000 Newt Gingrich.

02:01:14.000 Really?

02:01:15.000 And I'll tell you how I know this.

02:01:15.000 How do you know this?

02:01:16.000 I know the person who runs his...

02:01:20.000 Admin and operations, his media stuff, and the things that he does.

02:01:23.000 And he does a lot.

02:01:25.000 And she's a great person, and she told me.

02:01:28.000 That's what he'd like to do.

02:01:29.000 So she brought it up?

02:01:30.000 Yeah, she brought it up to me. 0.99

02:01:32.000 That's when I know I fucked up and I got too big. 0.99

02:01:34.000 It's time to quit, Jamie. 0.99

02:01:36.000 We've got to move to Coeur d'Alene.

02:01:38.000 Go pike fishing. 0.99

02:01:39.000 They got some awesome pike fishing out there.

02:01:41.000 They do.

02:01:42.000 Yeah, they do.

02:01:43.000 Yeah, and good hunting up there, too, by the way.

02:01:45.000 So that's a great part of the country.

02:01:48.000 Look at that.

02:01:49.000 That house is on a...

02:01:51.000 That's a precarious situation.

02:01:56.000 Yeah, I gotta assume that's a septic tank situation as well.

02:01:59.000 They're not hooked up to city water. 0.99

02:02:01.000 What a fucking weird spot to put a house. 1.00

02:02:03.000 You greedy bitch. 1.00

02:02:04.000 Can you find Payette Lake? 1.00

02:02:07.000 McCall?

02:02:07.000 I mean, since today's travelogue, we're taking you to Idaho today.

02:02:13.000 How do you say it?

02:02:14.000 Payette Lake?

02:02:14.000 P-A-Y-E-T-T-E. So that's where you got a cabin?

02:02:18.000 Yeah, look at that.

02:02:20.000 I know, right?

02:02:21.000 How many people out there?

02:02:22.000 Not many.

02:02:23.000 It's much smaller than Ketchum.

02:02:25.000 Give me a number.

02:02:27.000 30?

02:02:28.000 17. How many of them are white nationalists?

02:02:32.000 All right.

02:02:33.000 There's a lot of that out there, too, isn't there?

02:02:35.000 You're thinking of one of the other states.

02:02:36.000 You're not thinking of Idaho.

02:02:37.000 Oh, no.

02:02:38.000 Idaho has some white nationalists.

02:02:39.000 That's what they say.

02:02:40.000 I've never met one.

02:02:41.000 Well, they wouldn't tell you.

02:02:43.000 I know.

02:02:44.000 They keep that from me, as well.

02:02:45.000 This guy knows too many people.

02:02:46.000 I know.

02:02:46.000 That's really that lake?

02:02:47.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:02:48.000 Holy shit. 1.00

02:02:49.000 I'm telling you. 1.00

02:02:50.000 Holy shit. 1.00

02:02:51.000 Fantastic. 0.99

02:02:51.000 That makes me, right now, I'm getting anxiety. 0.99

02:02:53.000 I want to push a boat out there and start fishing.

02:02:55.000 I can see the water.

02:02:56.000 Look how flat it is.

02:02:58.000 I can see the trout breaking the surface.

02:03:01.000 And during the summer, you just go out there, and in the high season, when you're not fishing, you just float around, do a little water skiing if you want to, but mostly just kind of hang out. 0.58

02:03:10.000 That looks fucking amazing.

02:03:11.000 Amazing. 0.97

02:03:12.000 And 10 minutes from there is the ski area and the ski resort.

02:03:15.000 It's a great little ski place.

02:03:17.000 You know what, man?

02:03:17.000 I think I'm done with skiing.

02:03:19.000 Every time I ski, this is what I'm doing.

02:03:21.000 Don't get hurt.

02:03:24.000 Didn't get hurt.

02:03:24.000 Right.

02:03:25.000 Yeah.

02:03:25.000 I know the feeling.

02:03:26.000 Another one of my friends just blew out her ACL. I know three friends that blew out their ACL in a year.

02:03:32.000 All skiing?

02:03:33.000 All skiing.

02:03:34.000 Three in a year.

02:03:36.000 You got to adjust, right?

02:03:37.000 It's like everything else.

02:03:39.000 But you're right.

02:03:39.000 Once you have that thought, and I know exactly what you're thinking.

02:03:42.000 I'm doing the same thing.

02:03:43.000 I'm heading down the slope thinking, I cannot afford to hurt myself.

02:03:45.000 I got too much work to do.

02:03:46.000 Don't get hurt.

02:03:47.000 Don't get hurt.

02:03:48.000 Didn't get hurt.

02:03:49.000 I was snowboarding one time, and I just completely lost it.

02:03:53.000 Cracked some ribs.

02:03:55.000 Couldn't catch my breath when I was laying on my back, right?

02:03:57.000 And it was towards the end of the day.

02:03:59.000 That's when it happens, right?

02:04:00.000 You're exhausted, but you think, I'm going to do one more run.

02:04:02.000 Because it sounds like a good idea.

02:04:05.000 And so anyway, I'm laying down there, and there was nobody else out.

02:04:07.000 I mean, it was getting twilight, and I'm looking up at the sky.

02:04:10.000 Is this how I'm going to die?

02:04:12.000 I hear this noise behind me, and these two guys, it couldn't have been, both of them are probably like 19, maybe.

02:04:17.000 They come...

02:04:19.000 Screeching to a stop.

02:04:20.000 And I'm looking up and I'm trying to catch my breath and I can't really move.

02:04:23.000 And so all I can see is when their faces come into the frame above my head.

02:04:27.000 And they both look down at me and they go, oh, dude.

02:04:31.000 And then they take off, right?

02:04:32.000 They take off.

02:04:33.000 They just left you there?

02:04:34.000 They left me there.

02:04:35.000 I guess because I didn't say, oh, I'm in a real pain.

02:04:37.000 I didn't say anything because I was trying to catch my breath. 0.91

02:04:40.000 And they just take off and I'm thinking, that sucks.

02:04:43.000 You have a small window to say help. 0.92

02:04:45.000 Yeah.

02:04:45.000 And then your pride...

02:04:47.000 In your ego.

02:04:48.000 Right, right. 1.00

02:04:48.000 You're like, I don't want to tell these little fucks that I'm hurt. 1.00

02:04:51.000 Yeah, no, exactly. 1.00

02:04:52.000 Little punks.

02:04:52.000 I dropped into a tree well a couple seasons ago, and we were out...

02:04:57.000 A tree well?

02:04:58.000 A tree well, and I was in the backcountry.

02:05:00.000 What's that mean?

02:05:00.000 Well, you know how you have a tree, lots of snow falling, you know, you got powder, and so what'll happen sometimes is you get the appearance of solid snow, but around the tree, the base of the tree, you'll get these little caves, almost.

02:05:12.000 There's nothing around the bottom of the tree, so...

02:05:14.000 The tendency is for the snow, if you get too close to the tree well, you'll collapse into it.

02:05:18.000 And then you're at the bottom of this hole, right?

02:05:20.000 Oh, no.

02:05:20.000 And you're trying to get out.

02:05:21.000 And usually it happens when there's beautiful snow and it's all powder and you can't get out.

02:05:25.000 So anyway, my wife and I were on the backside of this mountain.

02:05:29.000 And so there's nobody around.

02:05:30.000 She got out ahead of me.

02:05:33.000 I fell into this thing, and that's the time when I thought to myself, after about 35 minutes of trying to haul my ass out of there, I thought, I could actually die here, but the snow was falling lightly, you know, and there was still a little bit of sun coming through, and it was a beautiful thing.

02:05:47.000 And I literally thought, I had to lay down for a minute to catch my breath and think, I've got to give this another try.

02:05:51.000 I thought, meh. 0.55

02:05:53.000 His worst place is to die. 0.98

02:05:55.000 I really thought that. 0.96

02:05:56.000 Yeah, I thought that.

02:05:56.000 I thought, you know, what if you got to go here?

02:05:57.000 Because I'm thinking at some point my heart's going to explode because I was working like a son of a bitch to get out of this. 0.99

02:06:02.000 How were you trying to do it? 0.99

02:06:03.000 How were you trying to get out?

02:06:04.000 Well, at first you think, okay, I'll get my skis back on and get out of here.

02:06:08.000 Or maybe I won't get my skis on.

02:06:10.000 I'll try to just step out of here and get out.

02:06:12.000 But it's like being in a...

02:06:15.000 It's like being in quicksand, I guess, is a good analogy, yeah.

02:06:18.000 You can't get a grip on anything.

02:06:20.000 You can't get a hold of anything.

02:06:21.000 And you're trying to pull yourself back up, and even if you do get a little ways out, you're on powder, right?

02:06:25.000 And it was a beautiful powder day, right?

02:06:27.000 Blue skies.

02:06:27.000 How deep is this powder?

02:06:29.000 Well, you sink into it up to your thighs and beyond.

02:06:32.000 And so when you're doing that, think about it.

02:06:34.000 You're trying to get – because at a certain point, you've got to get your skis back on, right?

02:06:38.000 Right.

02:06:38.000 And then you're about done by the time you get out of a tree well.

02:06:44.000 And now you're trying to get your skis back on.

02:06:45.000 And you're in powder and you're trying to do that.

02:06:48.000 It turned into a real goat rope.

02:06:50.000 But I guess my point being is it was a beautiful day and I thought – not that I was going to lay down and die.

02:06:55.000 But I thought if you had to, if you happen to go – It's not a bad place to go. 0.99

02:06:59.000 That's a great attitude, but it's also, I think, indicative of how much shit you see in your life. 0.99

02:07:03.000 At least I'm here. 0.99

02:07:05.000 I was worried about the wolves.

02:07:06.000 The wolves could come by and gnaw up my bones.

02:07:09.000 They would do that, too.

02:07:10.000 They would.

02:07:10.000 Like that guy's coyote.

02:07:12.000 Holy smokes.

02:07:12.000 There was a horrible story about in Africa where a toddler got stolen by a leopard.

02:07:18.000 I put it on my Twitter.

02:07:20.000 Jeez.

02:07:20.000 I put that stuff on my Twitter all the time.

02:07:23.000 People go, why do you put this up?

02:07:24.000 Why do you post this?

02:07:25.000 Because I want people to know. 1.00

02:07:29.000 You got a delusional sense of wildlife, you fucks. 1.00

02:07:32.000 You dummies out there taking selfies with bears. 1.00

02:07:34.000 Well, I was in Connecticut just a couple days ago. 0.76

02:07:39.000 And I was talking to some folks there that I know, because we used to live out there a while back before we moved to Idaho.

02:07:46.000 They were telling me a story that they've got this alert out.

02:07:48.000 This bobcat is on the loose in Connecticut, right?

02:07:52.000 Now, it's a pretty rural state.

02:07:53.000 People don't realize that.

02:07:54.000 Yeah, it is.

02:07:54.000 But it's a rural state.

02:07:55.000 But anyway, this lady was walking her two little dogs, right? 1.00

02:07:58.000 I don't know what kind of dogs it were, but out of nowhere, this bobcat just swooped in, grabbed one of them, took off, right?

02:08:04.000 And she's chasing...

02:08:06.000 The cat trying to save her dog.

02:08:07.000 Well, that dog is done, right?

02:08:08.000 Yeah.

02:08:09.000 And so she's trying to chase... 0.98

02:08:10.000 So she gets... 0.85

02:08:10.000 Anyway, so they had sightings of this thing, but now everybody's freaking out because it's a danger to their shih tzu or whatever. 0.85

02:08:17.000 They found a mountain lion in Connecticut a few years back, and I think he got killed on the highway.

02:08:23.000 I think, and they found out- What was he driving?

02:08:27.000 One of the things they found out- Oh, that's the sort of humor you get here.

02:08:30.000 Mountlined was that it had traveled from, I want to say North Dakota.

02:08:35.000 It made its way all the way across the country.

02:08:38.000 That's fantastic.

02:08:39.000 Yeah, they can roam, man.

02:08:40.000 Yeah.

02:08:40.000 It's like, we used to have coyotes come across our front yard in Connecticut.

02:08:44.000 Oh, yeah.

02:08:45.000 I mean, they're so adaptable.

02:08:46.000 They're in New York City now.

02:08:47.000 Really?

02:08:48.000 Yep.

02:08:48.000 That is not where I would go as a coyote.

02:08:50.000 What is this?

02:08:51.000 A lynx in someone's kitchen.

02:08:52.000 Oh, that's not good.

02:08:55.000 That ain't good.

02:08:59.000 Wow, look at the noise it's making.

02:09:01.000 Like, if you...

02:09:02.000 Whoa! 0.71

02:09:06.000 Don't know how it got there yet.

02:09:09.000 Oh, Jesus Christ.

02:09:11.000 So creepy.

02:09:14.000 I tell you what...

02:09:14.000 The noises this thing is making!

02:09:17.000 I think that's the person taking the video, don't you?

02:09:19.000 No!

02:09:22.000 I guess so.

02:09:25.000 I would punt that thing into another dimension.

02:09:28.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:09:28.000 No fucking question. 1.00

02:09:30.000 I would get the omelet pan out. 0.99

02:09:31.000 Yeah, if this is going down, it's going down right now, and I'm going to choose.

02:09:36.000 Yeah.

02:09:38.000 That thing was crazy.

02:09:40.000 You know they made that noise.

02:09:42.000 I could have sworn that was the lady taking the video. 1.00

02:09:45.000 Let me hear that again.

02:09:46.000 Give me some volume.

02:09:55.000 I think that is the lady. 0.98

02:09:56.000 No!

02:10:01.000 That's the cat.

02:10:04.000 That's the noisy.

02:10:06.000 That's the cat.

02:10:07.000 Yeah, you're right. 1.00

02:10:11.000 Fuck you, cat. 1.00

02:10:14.000 There's something wrong with that cat. 1.00

02:10:15.000 That cat's got an issue.

02:10:16.000 It's got a problem.

02:10:18.000 It's on meds.

02:10:19.000 Yeah.

02:10:20.000 That's opioids right there.

02:10:22.000 There's something going on.

02:10:23.000 Holy smokes.

02:10:25.000 Well, thank you for bringing that up.

02:10:26.000 But you're right.

02:10:27.000 The notion about what wildlife is like.

02:10:30.000 Yeah.

02:10:32.000 And it's that difference, right?

02:10:35.000 It's that difference.

02:10:35.000 If you live in New York City, you've got this perspective about it.

02:10:38.000 And it's all...

02:10:39.000 That's why I'm happy that coyotes have made their way into New York City.

02:10:42.000 They're going to start snatching dogs and people are going to go, hey, they're not our friends.

02:10:47.000 They're not like Wile E. Coyote.

02:10:49.000 We need to understand why they're upset.

02:10:54.000 We've encroached on their land.

02:10:55.000 Nope.

02:10:55.000 Nope, this is what they do.

02:10:57.000 What was the best hunting trip you ever took?

02:10:59.000 I'm curious.

02:11:00.000 My favorite to hunt is elk.

02:11:02.000 Elk, okay.

02:11:02.000 Yeah, because first of all, because you get one elk and you get hundreds of pounds of meat.

02:11:06.000 I love that.

02:11:07.000 It's delicious.

02:11:09.000 The only thing that's as delicious is this axis deer.

02:11:12.000 Axis deer is pretty damn delicious.

02:11:13.000 The thing about axis deer, too, is...

02:11:16.000 It's one of the most ethical trips because you have to kill them because they don't have any natural predators at all.

02:11:23.000 And there's 20,000 of them on Lanai alone. 0.96

02:11:26.000 They have them on Molokai.

02:11:28.000 They have them on Maui.

02:11:29.000 And there's no predators. 0.99

02:11:30.000 So they literally have a responsibility to kill them.

02:11:33.000 Otherwise, they're going to face starvation and disease and overpopulation, decimation of plant life.

02:11:40.000 I mean, they just eat everything in sight.

02:11:42.000 Do you have to get a separate license for each island?

02:11:44.000 Or how does that work?

02:11:44.000 I do not know.

02:11:45.000 I think you get a Hawaii state license, but the way it works in Lanai, you could shoot 12 of them. 0.97

02:11:52.000 12? 0.99

02:11:52.000 12. That's how many they have, which is crazy for deer. 0.99

02:11:55.000 Yeah.

02:11:56.000 I mean, the most you ever hear is like two bucks in some states, and they really have a lot of deers.

02:12:01.000 What do you end up with once you dress it?

02:12:05.000 I would say each one, you're getting around 50 plus pounds of meat.

02:12:10.000 They're about 200 pounds on the hoof.

02:12:12.000 Okay.

02:12:13.000 Yeah.

02:12:13.000 They look more delicate than that.

02:12:16.000 No, it's a fairly big animal.

02:12:18.000 They're heavy. 1.00

02:12:19.000 They're fast as fuck, too, man. 1.00

02:12:22.000 Yeah, when they run, you're like, whoa! 1.00

02:12:24.000 I mean, they run like an African animal. 1.00

02:12:28.000 Run like a deer.

02:12:29.000 Yeah, it's much faster than a regular deer.

02:12:31.000 Because it's like that white tail that took off in that video, they're way quicker than that.

02:12:36.000 Well, that guy was not exactly the Usain Bolt of the deer.

02:12:40.000 I wouldn't use him as the bar to set this by.

02:12:43.000 Yeah, he was like a light bulb that you have to slap a couple of times to get it to go on.

02:12:50.000 Oh, I had a follow-up question to the deer. 0.99

02:12:53.000 Damn it. 0.99

02:12:53.000 This is what happens when you get older. 0.99

02:12:55.000 I know.

02:12:56.000 Sad.

02:12:56.000 Holy smokes.

02:12:57.000 I think you should start getting up in the middle of the night to go pee.

02:12:59.000 But you're out in this island.

02:13:01.000 This is this gorgeous island on the Pacific Ocean with just beautiful views.

02:13:05.000 I mean, it's just unbelievable, stunning.

02:13:08.000 And it's filled with these deer.

02:13:10.000 I mean, they are everywhere on that island.

02:13:11.000 That's the best thing about it.

02:13:12.000 When it comes down to the hunting, the fishing, it's just being out there, right?

02:13:16.000 Yeah.

02:13:16.000 And sometimes you have to remember, you have to stop and I mean, like, you want to fly fishing sometimes.

02:13:21.000 You get caught up and all of a sudden you have to stop and you step back and you kind of look around and you think, oh, yeah, this makes sense.

02:13:27.000 I don't do enough fishing. 0.79

02:13:28.000 I fucking love fishing. 0.98

02:13:29.000 I've done fishing a few times recently with my kids, but it's ocean fishing where you're out there trolling, you know, you're in a boat and you're pulling the line. 0.99

02:13:37.000 It's not as fun.

02:13:38.000 Casting, like, on a lake is the best, like a topwater bait or something like that.

02:13:42.000 Yeah, yeah, that's great for kids.

02:13:44.000 Kids love that.

02:13:45.000 Oh, man.

02:13:45.000 And I've started taking...

02:13:47.000 I've been lucky enough to be part of an Alaskan fishing trip that happens every year.

02:13:52.000 What do you guys go for?

02:13:54.000 Halibut, salmon.

02:13:55.000 That's the best.

02:13:56.000 And I've actually got a picture of a couple of the halibut that my boy, because now he's old enough, I can bring him with me. 0.73

02:14:02.000 And...

02:14:04.000 And so we go every year.

02:14:06.000 There's a group of guys.

02:14:07.000 There's maybe 20 guys.

02:14:09.000 And he hauls up this halibut.

02:14:12.000 This was his first time going, right?

02:14:13.000 He's up in Alaska, this beautiful place.

02:14:15.000 And you could just tell it just snapped him, right?

02:14:17.000 He was just like, oh my god, the expanse of it all.

02:14:19.000 It's just the size of this place.

02:14:22.000 And then you get out on the water and he starts hauling up this thing.

02:14:25.000 And it's this massive halibut.

02:14:27.000 And he's just like...

02:14:29.000 He couldn't even put two words together.

02:14:31.000 And then you have to tell him, it's got to go back in the water because it's not big enough, right?

02:14:35.000 Really?

02:14:36.000 Halibut's got to be either below or above a certain size.

02:14:39.000 The middle range is maximum for breeding.

02:14:42.000 Yeah, if they get them too big, they have to let them go, right?

02:14:44.000 If you get them big enough, while I'm talking, I'll bring this photo up.

02:14:51.000 I don't know why.

02:14:52.000 Oh, my phone's dead.

02:14:54.000 Never mind.

02:14:55.000 Ha! 0.89

02:14:57.000 Really?

02:14:57.000 Technology fails me again.

02:14:59.000 But yeah, the prime space in between, I forget what the cutoff is.

02:15:04.000 I think they have to be over 80-something inches.

02:15:06.000 I'm sure somebody can dial in and tell me.

02:15:08.000 80 inches?

02:15:09.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:15:09.000 And if it's not over that, it's a little bit over that, then you've got to toss it back in because they're still in prime fucking time and they produce more babies. 0.99

02:15:19.000 Yeah, I've heard that. 0.99

02:15:20.000 The really big ones.

02:15:21.000 A buddy of mine got a huge one and they cut the line on him.

02:15:25.000 Yeah.

02:15:25.000 They were saying, it's too big, we've got to let it go.

02:15:27.000 And he was like, what in the fuck? 0.99

02:15:28.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:15:29.000 No, if it's big enough, then they can...

02:15:30.000 But you look at them and you think, that's got to be big enough.

02:15:33.000 It can't be 80 inches.

02:15:35.000 Yeah, it is. 0.98

02:15:35.000 If this damn thing was working, I'd show you this photo of Scooter with his halibut. 0.98

02:15:40.000 Well, plug it in and charge it back up. 0.97

02:15:42.000 Yeah, plug it in and charge it back up.

02:15:45.000 Jesus.

02:15:46.000 I know.

02:15:46.000 It's like, I didn't know whether you had electricity here.

02:15:49.000 I need to...

02:15:49.000 We do.

02:15:50.000 That's how the lights are on.

02:15:51.000 Yeah.

02:15:52.000 Oh yeah, that's right.

02:15:53.000 I don't know how things work in Idaho.

02:15:55.000 Yeah, it's a little different there.

02:15:58.000 But if 80... 1.00

02:16:00.000 Look at the size of that fucking thing. 1.00

02:16:02.000 300 pounds. 1.00

02:16:02.000 That's a beautiful one. 1.00

02:16:04.000 Yeah, there you go.

02:16:04.000 Just pretend my...

02:16:05.000 Yeah.

02:16:06.000 Yeah, one of those kids is my kid.

02:16:08.000 That's pretty much it.

02:16:09.000 Wow.

02:16:10.000 Yeah, they're enormous.

02:16:11.000 But if they're bigger than that, they probably have to let them go.

02:16:13.000 I mean, if you get a fish like that, you're eating that thing for a year.

02:16:16.000 See, what happens is, no, but if you catch one that, say, is about, I don't know, eight inches smaller than that, then you've got to toss it back in.

02:16:25.000 Why?

02:16:25.000 So the point being is, you'll look at something, you'll think, wow, this is definitely big enough to catch.

02:16:29.000 Then you've got to measure it.

02:16:30.000 And if it's not over that 80-some-odd threshold, you've got to chuck it back in.

02:16:34.000 But when you talk about a fish that's that big, you think, there's no way I've got to toss this back in.

02:16:37.000 But you do.

02:16:38.000 It's state law.

02:16:39.000 That's crazy.

02:16:40.000 What is 80 inches?

02:16:42.000 Is that six foot what?

02:16:43.000 Six and a half feet.

02:16:44.000 Six and a half feet.

02:16:45.000 It's crazy. 1.00

02:16:46.000 That's a big fucking fish, man! 1.00

02:16:49.000 And you just haul this. 0.99

02:16:50.000 And you can imagine what it's like winding.

02:16:51.000 You're 400 feet down maybe.

02:16:52.000 Because you're down towards the bottom and you're just kind of banging the bait down there on the bottom.

02:16:56.000 And you're bringing up a door to a castle.

02:17:01.000 It's like, yeah, look at this.

02:17:03.000 Wow.

02:17:04.000 And, I mean, halibut are delicious, too.

02:17:05.000 Oh, it's really good.

02:17:06.000 And so we end up with, kind of like what you're talking about, when you're thinking about, well, what do you end up with?

02:17:10.000 Well, I end up with an entire freezer, just from this one trip, an entire freezer full of salmon and halibut.

02:17:15.000 It's pretty tasty.

02:17:17.000 And you get to do it in Alaska, which is one of my favorite places to go to.

02:17:22.000 Just crazy that we stole that from the Russians for like 15 bucks. 0.55

02:17:25.000 How much did we get it for?

02:17:27.000 Cheaper than Manhattan, I think.

02:17:28.000 Yeah, I think it was.

02:17:30.000 But yeah, Alaska and Yellowstone, two places I tell people all the time, you got to go.

02:17:35.000 You got to go to both.

02:17:37.000 $7 million.

02:17:38.000 That's it?

02:17:39.000 That was in 1867. Okay, and current dollars, that would be like $8 million.

02:17:44.000 $7.2 million, but Manhattan was like 15 bucks, right?

02:17:47.000 Mm-hmm.

02:17:48.000 How much did they give the Native Americans?

02:17:50.000 And then people are getting crazy right now.

02:17:52.000 They stole it!

02:17:53.000 They stole it from the Native Americans. 1.00

02:17:55.000 Okay, okay, okay.

02:17:56.000 But apparently we paid the Russians pretty well. 0.91

02:17:57.000 But we stole it from the Indians. 1.00

02:17:59.000 $24.

02:18:02.000 Yeah, but you have to remember, it was undeveloped at the time.

02:18:06.000 Unlike Alaska.

02:18:07.000 Alaska is still undeveloped.

02:18:10.000 Imagine how angry the Russians must be. 0.99

02:18:13.000 They sold that to us for $7 million.

02:18:15.000 It is so big.

02:18:16.000 I mean, at least Manhattan is fairly small.

02:18:18.000 Well, think about the Louisiana Purchase, right?

02:18:20.000 I mean, think about Jefferson getting that from Napoleon.

02:18:22.000 I mean, what that was like.

02:18:24.000 And it is crazy when you think how this nation was cobbled together.

02:18:27.000 And the foresight that took.

02:18:28.000 And sort of just the balls of saying, yeah, we're going to take that.

02:18:31.000 Thank you.

02:18:33.000 Fifteen million.

02:18:35.000 Approximately four cents an acre.

02:18:38.000 It seems like a fair price. 1.00

02:18:41.000 Holy shit! 0.98

02:18:42.000 It was a purchase treaty by the Senate on October 20th of 1803, doubled the size of the United States, and opened up the continent to its westward expansion. 1.00

02:18:52.000 Holy shit! 0.97

02:18:54.000 First thing they did was encourage people to move out there. 1.00

02:18:56.000 You've got to populate that place, right?

02:18:58.000 That was the whole plan.

02:18:59.000 Well, one of the things that we saw when we were in Montana for the first time on the Missouri was you saw these homesteads where people tried to make it out there.

02:19:08.000 And they realized you can't grow anything out there because, you know, that mud is just...

02:19:12.000 Yeah.

02:19:12.000 It's not...

02:19:13.000 You can't till it.

02:19:14.000 You're not going to grow anything in it.

02:19:15.000 Whatever's growing there is what grows there.

02:19:18.000 And you're not going to grow anything extra.

02:19:19.000 You can't have a farm there.

02:19:20.000 And people tried forever because they just thought, let me just find some ground, and all you have to do is live there for a certain amount of time, then it would be yours.

02:19:28.000 But there's these really old, broken-down houses from, you know, the 1800s, 1700s, whenever people were out there, and you could still go there and touch the wood.

02:19:37.000 It's really weird.

02:19:38.000 You can still see, yeah, there's homesteads like that in Idaho.

02:19:41.000 Yeah.

02:19:42.000 It is crazy when you think about people making their way across, right?

02:19:44.000 We talked about how people are getting softer, right?

02:19:46.000 Oh, yeah.

02:19:47.000 Well, that's why when people, you know, you see photos of people from those days, they look hard, right?

02:19:52.000 Yeah, thin, too.

02:19:53.000 Tough life, right?

02:19:54.000 Skinny faces.

02:19:55.000 Yeah, and just, you know, they don't often look happy, but it's, you know, they were living a hard life, and they're making their way across the country, and sometimes you imagine they're just thinking, uh... 1.00

02:20:05.000 Fuck it. 0.99

02:20:05.000 This is as far as I can go. 0.99

02:20:06.000 And they just put up stakes there, right?

02:20:08.000 They said, fine.

02:20:09.000 We'll just build here.

02:20:10.000 And maybe it was good land.

02:20:11.000 Maybe it wasn't.

02:20:12.000 But can you imagine when you get to that point where you're suddenly staring at the Rockies and you think, really?

02:20:18.000 I got to cross this in those days?

02:20:21.000 I mean, the expansion, the westward movement of people.

02:20:24.000 There was a series called...

02:20:29.000 It's misogynistic, but it was called The Men Who Built America, right?

02:20:32.000 Or The Men Who...

02:20:33.000 The Frontiersmen or something like that.

02:20:35.000 That is misogynistic.

02:20:36.000 Yeah, it is, right? 1.00

02:20:37.000 Fucking sexist. 0.99

02:20:37.000 I know, exactly. 0.99

02:20:38.000 The women didn't build anything, you assholes. 1.00

02:20:40.000 No, I mean, you know, they did some cooking and, yeah, mending. 1.00

02:20:45.000 Made some babies.

02:20:46.000 Mending.

02:20:47.000 But no, that series was really good.

02:20:49.000 The first one was The Men Who Built America, and then they did another series about The Frontiersmen.

02:20:53.000 And that is the one I'm thinking of.

02:20:54.000 I think there's like, I don't know, five or six episodes to it.

02:20:56.000 I think it's on Netflix.

02:20:58.000 I don't know.

02:20:59.000 But it talks about, I mean, it covers the whole thing, but it covers Davy Crockett, Daniel Boone, all the characters that you remember hearing about, but it goes into real historical detail about it, and it's fascinating when you look at how this place was cobbled together.

02:21:10.000 And quickly.

02:21:11.000 And quickly, yeah.

02:21:12.000 If you think about just a couple hundred years' time in relation to the rest of the world, a couple hundred years, things didn't change that much at all.

02:21:18.000 No, exactly.

02:21:19.000 It's a remarkable story, but yeah, it's also, you get an appreciation for kind of how we might have treated the Native Americans.

02:21:26.000 Yeah, for sure.

02:21:28.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:21:29.000 My seven-year-old came home the other day with a pale look on her face, and I go, what's going on?

02:21:34.000 She's like, I learned about the Donner Party today.

02:21:36.000 Oh, geez. 1.00

02:21:37.000 Fucking seven. 1.00

02:21:39.000 They're teaching kids about the Donner Party. 1.00

02:21:41.000 She's like, where did they die?

02:21:43.000 I'm like, the mountains.

02:21:44.000 They tried to make it across during the winter and they didn't make it.

02:21:47.000 And she's like, they ate each other?

02:21:49.000 Like, they ate each other. 1.00

02:21:50.000 Like, they were teaching my fucking seven-year-old that people eat people. 0.99

02:21:54.000 We were playing Oregon Trail back then, which is, I mean, it's a video game. 0.99

02:21:57.000 That's the video game violence.

02:21:59.000 Yeah, it's a different thing.

02:22:01.000 But, you know, it's just something about learning that that could happen, I mean, and did just a couple hundred years ago.

02:22:09.000 It's not that long ago.

02:22:10.000 Well, you look at Lewis and Clark, right?

02:22:11.000 Look at what they did and what they were wandering out into, which they had no idea what they were doing. 0.98

02:22:15.000 They didn't know what the fuck was out there in terms of predators, in terms of natives. 0.99

02:22:20.000 They didn't know what was going on. 0.99

02:22:22.000 I had a call one time from a production company.

02:22:24.000 I didn't know whether I wanted to take part in a series.

02:22:27.000 It was on the Donner Party.

02:22:28.000 They were going to recreate that whole expedition, right?

02:22:33.000 Right down to the last thing.

02:22:34.000 Everything was supposed to be historically accurate.

02:22:38.000 I listened to what they were doing, and I thought to myself, Nah, thank you very much.

02:22:45.000 I couldn't get myself excited about it, I guess.

02:22:48.000 I thought it would be interesting, but probably only interesting for the first couple of days, and then you're thinking, why am I here?

02:22:54.000 Why am I here, right?

02:22:55.000 Yeah, I mean, for the sake of a show.

02:22:57.000 But I think they pulled it together.

02:22:59.000 I'd have to look and see. 1.00

02:23:00.000 They probably faked a bunch of shit anyway. 1.00

02:23:02.000 Oh, yeah. 0.99

02:23:03.000 What's they do with those shows?

02:23:04.000 Things don't go well, like, hmm, time to fake it.

02:23:07.000 Yeah, yeah, because the crew's always right there, right?

02:23:08.000 It's like Bear Grylls.

02:23:09.000 It's like, will I survive?

02:23:12.000 Well, you might, and hopefully your cameraman does too.

02:23:16.000 Yeah, Bear Grylls, it was a direct response to Survivorman refusing to fake things.

02:23:23.000 Because he did it on the same network.

02:23:24.000 Oh.

02:23:25.000 Les Stroud is a friend of mine.

02:23:26.000 He was telling me what happened.

02:23:28.000 They were trying to get him to fake things.

02:23:30.000 And he was like, no, I'm going to go by myself with just cameras.

02:23:35.000 Yeah.

02:23:35.000 And I'm going to film myself actually surviving.

02:23:37.000 And if you watch Les...

02:23:39.000 He'll do a show where he's out there for five, six days.

02:23:42.000 By the end of those five days, his cheeks are sunken in. 1.00

02:23:45.000 He looks like shit. 1.00

02:23:46.000 He's barely sleeping. 1.00

02:23:47.000 He's just eating anything he can find.

02:23:49.000 Sometimes he's not eating for days.

02:23:52.000 Bear Grylls looks great.

02:23:53.000 Yeah, Bear Grylls, he's all good.

02:23:55.000 He's sleeping in the Marriott.

02:23:56.000 Yeah, exactly what I was going to say.

02:23:59.000 Drinking bottled water.

02:24:00.000 Now I'm off to the days in.

02:24:02.000 On camera, he's drinking his own piss and trying to survive off of roots.

02:24:06.000 Yeah.

02:24:07.000 As soon as the camera's like, God, give me that Twinkie.

02:24:10.000 I don't remember where he came out of.

02:24:12.000 I can't remember where he was in the British military.

02:24:17.000 I'm trying to remember.

02:24:18.000 I don't think he was with SBS or SAS or anything like that.

02:24:22.000 I thought it was.

02:24:23.000 I thought it was SAS. I thought that's what they said.

02:24:25.000 Maybe it was.

02:24:26.000 Maybe, but...

02:24:26.000 Anyway, yeah, but yeah, if you're doing it for real and you think about the amount of calories you burn and what you need to replace, you know, and then you realize that's what it was all about.

02:24:35.000 People spent every damn waking hour collecting food and water to keep themselves going.

02:24:42.000 Yeah. 0.97

02:24:42.000 That was it until, you know, whenever. 0.97

02:24:45.000 Well, you realize that when you go on hunting trips, like if you had to just hunt for survival, a hunting trip, you could easily go five, six days and not even see an animal.

02:24:55.000 Yeah.

02:24:55.000 If you're in the wrong spot, you got to try to find them.

02:24:58.000 I mean, there's many days where you go and you don't see anything.

02:25:00.000 Like, what if you're hungry that day?

02:25:02.000 Right. 1.00

02:25:02.000 Well, tough shit. 1.00

02:25:03.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:25:04.000 Tough shit. 1.00

02:25:05.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:25:06.000 And those people did that with muskets and bows and arrows and tried to make it across the country without any idea what the fuck was in front of them. 0.93

02:25:14.000 I mean, Lewis and Clark burned, or Powell going down to Colorado. 0.94

02:25:18.000 The amount of food they needed to consume as an expedition was astounding.

02:25:23.000 Yeah.

02:25:29.000 We're good to go.

02:25:52.000 So that's, you know, but the interesting thing is if you live in a place like, if you live out west, you're surrounded by this all the time.

02:26:00.000 You think about it, right?

02:26:01.000 For some reason, I have no idea why.

02:26:07.000 Again, I've lived all over hell and back.

02:26:08.000 I'm never moving.

02:26:09.000 I'm never moving again.

02:26:11.000 Yeah, it's obviously a gorgeous place where you live.

02:26:14.000 I get it. 1.00

02:26:14.000 And fuck Connecticut. 1.00

02:26:17.000 You went from Connecticut to there. 1.00

02:26:18.000 I did, yeah.

02:26:19.000 You went from one of the places that I would never live to one of the places that I would definitely live.

02:26:23.000 One of the world's...

02:26:24.000 One of the country's worst managed states, you know.

02:26:27.000 It's just incredible.

02:26:28.000 That New Jersey, obviously, you know, they just...

02:26:32.000 Underfunded pensions or unfunded pensions.

02:26:35.000 And a shitload of Lyme disease, too.

02:26:37.000 Oh, yeah.

02:26:38.000 Have you ever had Lyme disease?

02:26:39.000 No.

02:26:40.000 I've had it.

02:26:40.000 It's not good.

02:26:41.000 Have you got it?

02:26:41.000 Yeah.

02:26:42.000 Some people get it and they keep it.

02:26:43.000 Yeah, they hold on to it.

02:26:44.000 It's chronic.

02:26:44.000 Yeah.

02:26:45.000 It's like dysentery or malaria.

02:26:46.000 It just kind of sits with you.

02:26:48.000 Yeah.

02:26:48.000 I... I came down with this.

02:26:51.000 It was like flu-like conditions.

02:26:53.000 People are fascinated.

02:26:53.000 I hope Mike tells us about his Lyme disease story.

02:26:56.000 And you just feel like absolute shit. 1.00

02:26:59.000 It feels like a bad flu. 0.99

02:27:00.000 And so I would go and I talked to a couple of doctors there in Connecticut.

02:27:04.000 And they were like, I think it's the flu.

02:27:08.000 They didn't diagnose it.

02:27:10.000 So then we go out.

02:27:11.000 We're out in Idaho.

02:27:12.000 We hadn't moved out there yet, but we went skiing and we were in Ketchum.

02:27:16.000 And I go into a clinic because I said, it's just not feeling any better.

02:27:19.000 This thing is just lingering.

02:27:20.000 So I go into a clinic there and I talk to the guy.

02:27:25.000 And it's a young doctor not too long out of medical school.

02:27:29.000 And he says, where?

02:27:30.000 Where do you live?

02:27:31.000 I said, Connecticut.

02:27:32.000 And he goes, you got Lyme disease.

02:27:35.000 I'm in Idaho, and he diagnosed Lyme disease.

02:27:37.000 Turns out he went to his medical school in Yale, in Connecticut.

02:27:41.000 And he figured it out, and so yeah, that's pretty much what it was.

02:27:44.000 You had to go to Idaho to get a good doctor, that's what you're saying.

02:27:46.000 That's what I'm saying.

02:27:47.000 Yeah, we're 43rd in education, but we are tops in healthcare.

02:27:50.000 So there you go.

02:27:52.000 Yeah, but it's going to be a bad tick season out west, too, because we didn't get really a big freeze in parts of it, not all over.

02:28:00.000 They're creepy little animals.

02:28:01.000 The fact that they carry such debilitating diseases, have you ever heard about the lone star tick?

02:28:06.000 The lone star tick that turds people, there's a certain derivative of one of those diseases that comes with this lone star tick that...

02:28:17.000 It attacks something called the alpha gal, which is short for something else, but it essentially makes you allergic to red meat.

02:28:26.000 No.

02:28:27.000 Yes.

02:28:28.000 Yeah, there's a tick that if it bites you, if it can give you a disease, it will make you allergic to red meat.

02:28:36.000 And it's spreading all throughout Texas.

02:28:39.000 Texas has a great bunch of cases of it.

02:28:43.000 There it is.

02:28:43.000 Ticks give me the size of a poppy seed.

02:28:45.000 Can you spot all five ticks in this photo?

02:28:47.000 There they are.

02:28:48.000 They're all grouped right there in the center.

02:28:49.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:28:50.000 Oh, fuck. 1.00

02:28:51.000 What kind of nonsense is that? 1.00

02:28:53.000 That's the CDC? They just tweeted this out the other day.

02:28:56.000 Why did they do that?

02:28:57.000 Learn how to prevent tick bites.

02:28:58.000 People got grossed out.

02:28:59.000 Yeah, like, don't eat a muffin.

02:29:00.000 Yeah, I wonder why.

02:29:00.000 Yeah, if you avoid muffins, you won't get ticks.

02:29:02.000 Why are you putting ticks on the muffins, you asshole? 1.00

02:29:04.000 You did it on purpose for a picture? 1.00

02:29:05.000 You're ruining food?

02:29:06.000 Yeah. 0.98

02:29:08.000 They scared the shit out of me, those little creepy bugs.

02:29:11.000 Yeah, we've got a big old English golden retriever, so during this time of year, we're always pulling ticks off him. 0.74

02:29:17.000 He'll come inside and sit down, next thing you know, one's crawling off him.

02:29:21.000 Yeah, it's not good.

02:29:25.000 So you got lime in Connecticut, right?

02:29:27.000 Yeah.

02:29:27.000 A lot of people in the East Coast are getting it.

02:29:29.000 Yeah.

02:29:29.000 Super common.

02:29:31.000 Connecticut's covered in ticks.

02:29:32.000 I mean, I had no idea when we moved there, but we had a nice little property, and we had a big pond out there, and a little stream running through.

02:29:38.000 It was very picturesque, but it was also just covered in ticks.

02:29:41.000 What can they do about that?

02:29:42.000 Nothing, right?

02:29:43.000 You know, they'll go through and spray, but then you got to probably get the kids out.

02:29:47.000 Yeah, right? 0.99

02:29:48.000 What the fuck is this prey killing besides the ticks? 0.99

02:29:50.000 Exactly. 0.98

02:29:51.000 So we don't do anything like that out there.

02:29:54.000 And it's not so bad out west, but they still have it.

02:29:58.000 And they don't have the same types.

02:30:01.000 They certainly don't have this red meat tick.

02:30:03.000 I've never heard that before.

02:30:03.000 That's a new one.

02:30:04.000 That's a creep show right there.

02:30:05.000 I think they discovered it within the last five years.

02:30:09.000 Yeah, that wouldn't be good.

02:30:11.000 I mean, I've given up a lot of red meat, but now I'm not going to give up red meat entirely.

02:30:13.000 Don't give up red meat, Mike.

02:30:14.000 Well, no, you know what I mean?

02:30:15.000 I eat less than I used to.

02:30:16.000 Eat it all.

02:30:17.000 Nah, eat it all. 1.00

02:30:18.000 Don't listen to those fucking monsters. 1.00

02:30:19.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:30:21.000 I try to cut back to some degree.

02:30:23.000 Why?

02:30:24.000 You know, just for, you know, you get a little bit older, and I'm trying to watch.

02:30:28.000 I got a family history of heart disease, massive problem with heart disease.

02:30:31.000 My parents went both that way.

02:30:35.000 One of my brothers has a defibrillator, and others got a stimulator.

02:30:39.000 I've had several stents, the others on heart medication.

02:30:42.000 So it's a family thing.

02:30:44.000 So you try to do what you can, but I'm not giving it up.

02:30:46.000 I'm not giving up my martini.

02:30:48.000 Are you kidding me?

02:30:49.000 I really don't believe that red meat has any effect on that.

02:30:52.000 I think it's processed carbohydrates and sugar.

02:30:54.000 I think that's what it's all about.

02:30:56.000 And this comes from conversations with real scientists and nutritionists and people who understand the actual studies and data.

02:31:02.000 There is an issue combining carbohydrates and simple refined carbohydrates with red meat.

02:31:10.000 Saturated fats by themselves, not an issue.

02:31:12.000 Saturated fats with high levels of carbohydrates, definitely an issue.

02:31:17.000 Why?

02:31:17.000 I just say interaction?

02:31:18.000 Yeah, well, the interaction between the two of them, the way Dr. Rhonda Patrick talked about it, I could get a hold of her and try to get her to do it again and explain it to me.

02:31:27.000 But it's the interaction between saturated fats and carbohydrates.

02:31:31.000 It's not saturated fats on themselves, on their own.

02:31:34.000 Saturated fat like red meat and organ meat in particular, extremely healthy for you.

02:31:41.000 Very good for you.

02:31:42.000 But people are so used to consuming sugar and simple carbohydrates and processed foods for fuel that your body just gets accustomed to it.

02:31:55.000 When you add saturated fat to processed carbohydrates and sugar, that's when you get issues.

02:32:01.000 That's why a lot of these studies that show that Red meat increases heart disease.

02:32:05.000 If people eat red meat over four or five times a week, have higher instances of heart disease.

02:32:11.000 But they're not asking what are they eating with the red meat.

02:32:15.000 Are they eating it in a burger?

02:32:16.000 Are they eating it with fries and shakes?

02:32:18.000 Because that's different than eating a grass-fed steak.

02:32:22.000 With avocado and maybe a salad.

02:32:24.000 That's not bad for you.

02:32:26.000 At all.

02:32:27.000 Look, if red meat really gave people heart disease and cancer and all these things that people say, there'd be no people.

02:32:35.000 Because people have been eating red meat from the beginning of time, and literally 97% of the population eats meat.

02:32:41.000 But people process this stuff differently.

02:32:43.000 Exactly.

02:32:44.000 Nitrites, processing, all the different... 0.97

02:32:47.000 Preservatives that people put on in red meat and processed foods, that's what's fucking people up.

02:32:53.000 That and refined sugars and carbohydrates.

02:32:56.000 Do you pay attention to cholesterol issues?

02:32:58.000 Not dietary cholesterol, but neither does the American Heart Association.

02:33:03.000 Even Weight Watchers now says that dietary cholesterol It has no impact on your actual blood cholesterol.

02:33:12.000 Weight Watchers lets you eat as many eggs as you want.

02:33:15.000 Eggs have a zero-point system in Weight Watchers now.

02:33:19.000 Eggs are zero points.

02:33:20.000 You can eat as many eggs as you want.

02:33:22.000 I've been doing that egg white thing?

02:33:24.000 Everybody their whole life.

02:33:25.000 Egg whites are not good, but the good part is the yolk.

02:33:28.000 You want the egg and the yolk together.

02:33:30.000 But the protein's in the white, right?

02:33:31.000 No, there's protein in the yolk too.

02:33:33.000 They both have protein.

02:33:34.000 This is nonsense, but the cholesterol is in the yolk.

02:33:37.000 But it's not bad for you.

02:33:39.000 Cholesterol is the building block for hormones.

02:33:42.000 We get lied to from the beginning of time when it comes to... 0.96

02:33:46.000 Well, first of all, there's a lack of understanding, and then there's also these studies that come out that are fucking funded by the sugar industry. 0.92

02:33:54.000 You know about that? 0.90

02:33:54.000 Where the sugar industry paid scientists to take the blame off of sugar and put it onto saturated fat? 0.90

02:34:01.000 There was a whole New York Times article about it.

02:34:04.000 The sugar industry bribed scientists to lie about the dangers of sugar.

02:34:10.000 What's the difference between, I don't even know what you would call refined sugar, and beet sugar?

02:34:15.000 Is there a...

02:34:19.000 Different sugars have a different effect.

02:34:22.000 They have a lower glycemic index, and it really usually is dependent upon whether or not they're connected to fiber.

02:34:27.000 Sugar in the form of fruit is not bad for you.

02:34:30.000 If you eat an apple, it's connected to fiber.

02:34:34.000 You're eating the whole fruit.

02:34:36.000 That's what it's supposed to be.

02:34:37.000 That's how it's supposed to be consumed.

02:34:39.000 The real issue comes when you take that sugar out of that fruit, You know, whether it's high fructose corn syrup or whatever the fuck else you're getting sugar from, and then consume that sugar.

02:34:49.000 Because then it's sugar free of all the natural things that contain it.

02:34:54.000 Fiber.

02:34:55.000 And the actual, you know, the tissue, you know, the actual fruit itself, the tissue of the fruit.

02:35:02.000 We try to keep processed foods out of the house for the most part, right?

02:35:05.000 So we try to keep the kids eating healthy and all that.

02:35:09.000 Things we're supposed to do.

02:35:11.000 But it is interesting in the sense that, you know, from an economic standpoint, right?

02:35:16.000 Eating healthy, there's a, you know, you're advantaged if you're, you know, middle class or upper class, right?

02:35:25.000 If you're, if you don't have the financial wherewithal, I think that's, I don't know, maybe I'm just blowing smoke around, but I think that there is something to be said for that.

02:35:35.000 I mean, because if you're going and you're thinking, I'm going to eat organic, I'm going to eat all this. 0.97

02:35:38.000 It's fucking expensive. 0.94

02:35:39.000 It's expensive, yeah. 0.99

02:35:40.000 And so you think, okay, well, so you've got a group of people that are disadvantaged in the nutrition side of things because they end up defaulting to the processed foods or the fast foods.

02:35:51.000 But I'm happy to hear about the red meat.

02:35:53.000 Now, you know, I'm going to walk out of here.

02:35:54.000 I'm going to say, I can eat a steak whenever I want, and then I'm going to get bit by this tick.

02:35:58.000 I'm like, I want a steak.

02:36:00.000 Well, salmon is fantastic for you.

02:36:03.000 That's 100% true.

02:36:04.000 And the essential fatty acids in salmon, omega fatty acids, salmon is just one of the best things you can eat.

02:36:11.000 Wild salmon.

02:36:12.000 Oh, my God.

02:36:12.000 Phenomenal for you.

02:36:13.000 We've got to freeze it before you haul in some king salmon.

02:36:16.000 Beautiful.

02:36:17.000 It's fantastic.

02:36:17.000 It's beautiful.

02:36:18.000 It's so good.

02:36:19.000 And yeah, that's the best meal.

02:36:20.000 It's that and some basic vegetables.

02:36:23.000 Exactly.

02:36:24.000 And boom, and you're done.

02:36:25.000 And luckily, we're lucky.

02:36:26.000 Our kids like fish.

02:36:27.000 They really like fish.

02:36:29.000 A lot of their friends, they'll come over for dinner.

02:36:31.000 I don't want fish. 1.00

02:36:32.000 Oh, those little fucks. 1.00

02:36:33.000 Yeah, I'm not going to have that. 1.00

02:36:35.000 And they want a burger.

02:36:36.000 Okay, fine.

02:36:37.000 But yeah, we eat a ton of fish because you catch a lot of fish.

02:36:41.000 Sure.

02:36:41.000 So yeah, it's really good.

02:36:43.000 Kids get really addicted to bread.

02:36:45.000 They get really addicted to...

02:36:47.000 We eat hamburgers and sandwiches and things with carbs.

02:36:50.000 It's about carbs with kids.

02:36:52.000 And you know, you need a certain amount of carbs for sure, but we eat way too much in general.

02:36:57.000 And that is most likely what's responsible for heart disease.

02:37:00.000 Most likely what's responsible for the overweight epidemic in America, it's carbs. 0.99

02:37:05.000 Yeah, I can believe that.

02:37:06.000 I do think that people react differently.

02:37:10.000 For sure.

02:37:11.000 We could have two people.

02:37:12.000 We've got the same diet.

02:37:12.000 I'm going to process it one way and I'm going to end up with very high cholesterol.

02:37:15.000 That's a fact.

02:37:16.000 It's going to be a problem.

02:37:17.000 Yeah, so anyway.

02:37:19.000 Bottom line is you get to a certain point and you start thinking, I'm going to pay a little more attention.

02:37:22.000 So that's where I am in life.

02:37:23.000 I'm paying a little more attention to what I'm eating.

02:37:25.000 I'm paying a little more attention to my regimen as far as what I do for exercise.

02:37:28.000 I'm going to send you some podcasts to listen to.

02:37:30.000 Yeah, that would be good.

02:37:31.000 Give you a real understanding of the actual science behind...

02:37:35.000 Food versus the misconceptions and versus the misinformation because there's so much of it out there and then there's so much you know we've talked about this before this is probably a good thing to talk about this now and I need to know what's true and what's not true remember we talked about how the guy who started the Atkins diet died and he was 258 pounds and all that well apparently when he fell and hit his head He had serious problems in the hospital and gained somewhere

02:38:06.000 around 50 pounds while he was in the hospital.

02:38:09.000 Even more than 50 pounds.

02:38:10.000 I believe he was 195 pounds, they're saying, when he was checked into the hospital.

02:38:14.000 And his heart disease had nothing to do with his diet.

02:38:17.000 It was a viral illness that caused his heart to fail.

02:38:22.000 And this was all related to organ failure.

02:38:25.000 He had massive organ failure and massive water retention because his body was falling apart while he was in the hospital.

02:38:35.000 Most people think he died how?

02:38:38.000 Well, most people think he died falling and hitting his head, which is true, but the vegan propaganda was that he actually died of a heart attack and that he was 258 pounds when he died, so his diet didn't work.

02:38:53.000 But they're saying that, no, when he was checked into the hospital after he hit his head, he was only 195 pounds.

02:38:58.000 So all this weight gain that they're attributing to his diet, they're being disingenuous and untruthful.

02:39:05.000 The first thing you do when you check into a hospital is you gotta check yourself out as quickly as possible. 0.99

02:39:10.000 Well, this guy, I mean, when he checked into the hospital, he was fucked. 0.98

02:39:14.000 Apparently, I mean, he fell and cracked his head open on the ice. 0.98

02:39:17.000 And, you know, it wasn't a good scene.

02:39:20.000 And he was an older gentleman when it happened.

02:39:21.000 I believe he was in his 70s.

02:39:23.000 But he died.

02:39:25.000 He had massive organ failure.

02:39:28.000 So somebody sent me something yesterday about it so that whatever his heart disease was, it was not from hardening of the arteries, from cholesterol, from eating all that food.

02:39:41.000 It's so hard to understand what's right and what's wrong, too, because people get so ideological about it, especially vegans.

02:39:48.000 And even some meat-eaters get ideological about it.

02:39:52.000 People aren't looking at the real relationship between food and health.

02:39:56.000 I've got a few people in my family who are...

02:39:59.000 I'm vegan.

02:40:00.000 And yeah, it's a little religion, right?

02:40:02.000 I mean, they're wonderful people.

02:40:03.000 They're great people.

02:40:04.000 But when it comes to this, it's a little bit of a religious thing for them.

02:40:08.000 It's definitely ideological.

02:40:10.000 Yeah.

02:40:10.000 And they want to think there's only one way, and that's to be plant-based.

02:40:14.000 It cures all diseases.

02:40:15.000 It fixes it.

02:40:16.000 Well, I know.

02:40:16.000 I've had people that have gone vegan, and they got sick.

02:40:19.000 And they had bad blood work, and Sam Harris is one of them.

02:40:22.000 He tried it for a little while.

02:40:23.000 He tried it for quite a while, and he did it the right way, and he just got ill from it.

02:40:26.000 Yeah, you know, I'm a big fan of moderation.

02:40:29.000 You know, just moderation and everything, right?

02:40:30.000 I mean, that seems to be a reasonable attitude, I think, in terms of when it comes to your diet, right?

02:40:38.000 I try not to overthink anything in life, and we just...

02:40:45.000 We're in that point in society where maybe because things are easy, and we have made it easy because of technology and everything else, that we're able to just analyze everything to a fucking fairly well, right?

02:40:56.000 So I'm just thinking maybe it's not that complicated, you know?

02:41:00.000 Just...

02:41:01.000 You know, you work out, you burn more than you take in, you know, you try to eat healthy, you stick to the basics, you know, grains and fruits and vegetables and meat and fish. 0.99

02:41:08.000 Even grains are fucking terrible for you, man. 0.99

02:41:10.000 Really? 1.00

02:41:10.000 See, I didn't know that. 1.00

02:41:11.000 I always said grains.

02:41:12.000 Somebody told me grains.

02:41:13.000 Most grains are not good for you. 1.00

02:41:15.000 Most grains are bullshit. 1.00

02:41:16.000 It's just carbohydrates. 1.00

02:41:18.000 All right, nuts and seeds.

02:41:19.000 How about nuts and seeds?

02:41:20.000 Vegetables.

02:41:20.000 Nuts are great.

02:41:21.000 All right.

02:41:22.000 Seeds are great.

02:41:23.000 Vegetables.

02:41:24.000 Almonds.

02:41:25.000 Yeah, almonds are fantastic.

02:41:26.000 See, I eat a ton of almonds.

02:41:27.000 Good.

02:41:27.000 Yeah, look at that.

02:41:28.000 It's good stuff.

02:41:29.000 I know.

02:41:29.000 High in calories, too.

02:41:31.000 Yeah, there you go.

02:41:31.000 They are.

02:41:32.000 Good calories, healthy fats.

02:41:34.000 We used to, there were times when, if we were traveling or whatever, and you were sitting in some safe house somewhere, And just waiting for something to happen or just happened to be holed up for whatever reason.

02:41:44.000 And there was like nothing in there.

02:41:46.000 I mean, I remember times when I would eat oatmeal.

02:41:49.000 That was all I would eat because that's all that was available.

02:41:51.000 And you'd eat oatmeal for like three weeks in a row just because you were waiting to get on the road and move.

02:41:56.000 You didn't have access to other foods.

02:41:58.000 You're thinking, wow, that's a lot of oatmeal.

02:42:00.000 Or something, right?

02:42:01.000 And so I developed, when I was younger, I developed sort of this attitude of, it's just fuel.

02:42:04.000 Just, you know, keep moving forward.

02:42:05.000 So you've got to eat something.

02:42:07.000 And so for a long time, I didn't really put much stock in, oh, it tastes great, or it's, you know, it's really good.

02:42:13.000 It was just more, you know, got to consume something to keep moving.

02:42:16.000 And, you know, so it's only, it hasn't been, it's been recent when I've really kind of got focused on it.

02:42:22.000 You know, what do you have to do to When you've got little kids, you know what it's like.

02:42:25.000 You want to stick around, right?

02:42:28.000 I'm going to send you some podcasts.

02:42:30.000 Do you cook?

02:42:32.000 I do.

02:42:32.000 Oddly enough, I like to cook.

02:42:34.000 Oddly enough?

02:42:35.000 Well, you know, most people assume if I can't operate my watch, then I can't turn a stove on.

02:42:42.000 But I can do that.

02:42:43.000 And I find it actually a lot of fun.

02:42:45.000 It is.

02:42:46.000 And it's stress relieving.

02:42:47.000 It's very satisfying.

02:42:48.000 It's very satisfying too when you sit down to a meal that you prepared yourself.

02:42:51.000 Especially if you grow your own vegetables and pull them out of the garden.

02:42:54.000 Which we do.

02:42:54.000 My wife has a great little vegetable garden.

02:42:56.000 And so we do that.

02:42:57.000 We have a few fruit trees.

02:42:59.000 And so that's nice.

02:43:00.000 Yeah, it's good.

02:43:00.000 It's good.

02:43:01.000 But the whole process is nice.

02:43:02.000 And I'm one of those people.

02:43:04.000 I think there's two types of people.

02:43:05.000 You're cooking.

02:43:06.000 You've got a big mess all around you.

02:43:07.000 Or you're cooking.

02:43:07.000 You clean up as you're cooking, right?

02:43:09.000 Yeah.

02:43:09.000 Which one are you?

02:43:11.000 I like things to be the way they're supposed to be.

02:43:13.000 I like to clean up while I'm doing things, right?

02:43:16.000 Oh, okay.

02:43:16.000 Yeah, so I'm that.

02:43:18.000 The rest, yeah.

02:43:20.000 And my kids are actually the two older boys.

02:43:22.000 They're taking part in it now.

02:43:23.000 They like to grill.

02:43:24.000 What's grilling?

02:43:24.000 Is grilling bad for you or good for you?

02:43:26.000 No, grilling's good.

02:43:27.000 Okay, all right.

02:43:27.000 I was afraid you were going to tell me you shouldn't grill meat.

02:43:29.000 I like grilling.

02:43:30.000 Okay, all right.

02:43:31.000 Okay, good.

02:43:32.000 That's because that's what we do, basically.

02:43:34.000 Nothing wrong with that.

02:43:35.000 We've got a big 100,000 BTUs outside, and we just fire that up.

02:43:39.000 But yeah, there's nothing more to say.

02:43:43.000 When you pull a fish out, whether it's the ocean or the river, and that's what you're eating that night.

02:43:49.000 Phenomenal.

02:43:49.000 It's the best.

02:43:50.000 It is, especially if you could do it that day.

02:43:52.000 A campfire, like if you get it right by the, bring a skillet and cook a trout right there on the beach.

02:43:59.000 Trout for breakfast.

02:44:00.000 It's amazing.

02:44:01.000 And a couple of eggs.

02:44:01.000 Oh, yeah.

02:44:03.000 You're making me hungry, Mike.

02:44:04.000 Yeah, I know.

02:44:04.000 But there's something about it.

02:44:07.000 People always say, really?

02:44:08.000 You got fish in the morning?

02:44:09.000 That sounds odd.

02:44:10.000 But you're up there early.

02:44:12.000 The sun's coming up.

02:44:13.000 You catch a couple of fish.

02:44:15.000 People are weird with what you eat in the morning.

02:44:17.000 Yeah.

02:44:18.000 Like, what, you should always have cereal in the morning?

02:44:21.000 What does that mean?

02:44:22.000 Well, it's just food.

02:44:24.000 It's food.

02:44:25.000 You should have food whenever you want the food.

02:44:26.000 If you want to have a steak in the morning, there's nothing wrong with that.

02:44:29.000 I remember when I was a kid.

02:44:31.000 That was back in the days when, you know, box cereals, you know, that's what you ate, right?

02:44:35.000 And the sugar pops.

02:44:37.000 They didn't even make it.

02:44:38.000 They didn't hide it, right?

02:44:39.000 It was like...

02:44:39.000 Sugar was in the name.

02:44:41.000 Sugar pops.

02:44:42.000 Super sugar crisp.

02:44:43.000 Remember that?

02:44:43.000 Yeah, it's Sugar Smacks.

02:44:44.000 Yeah, there's a ton of them.

02:44:46.000 Yeah, it's fantastic.

02:44:47.000 And as a kid, you could go through an entire box in one morning before you went out and played baseball.

02:44:53.000 Listen to me.

02:44:54.000 You were cracked up on sugar, just running around up there with your eyes burning out and your pupils dilated.

02:44:59.000 Yeah.

02:45:00.000 Mike Baker, it's always a pleasure talking to you, my friend.

02:45:02.000 Hey, man, listen, thank you very much.

02:45:03.000 Three hours just flew by.

02:45:05.000 Believe that?

02:45:06.000 Good God.

02:45:07.000 That's why your phone's dead.

02:45:07.000 I'll see you out in Boise, man.

02:45:09.000 Sounds good, brother.

02:45:10.000 Thank you.

02:45:15.000 Thanks.

02:45:15.000 What happened?

02:45:17.000 We're still live!

02:45:18.000 Don't say anything quick!

02:45:22.000 Don't talk!

The Joe Rogan Experience - May 09, 2018

Joe Rogan Experience #1115 - Mike Baker

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