The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1117 - Tim Kennedy

00:00:05.000 I don't know if I can handle that.

00:00:07.000 What?

00:00:07.000 The clock's wrong?

00:00:08.000 I mean, just subtly.

00:00:11.000 Are we live?

00:00:12.000 Yeah.

00:00:12.000 One of them's wrong.

00:00:14.000 Which one is it?

00:00:15.000 I think they're both wrong.

00:00:17.000 That says 12-11.

00:00:19.000 One says 12-15.

00:00:21.000 12-13 on my phone.

00:00:22.000 12-13.

00:00:23.000 Yeah, so they're both wrong.

00:00:25.000 This one says 12-14.

00:00:26.000 That one says 12-11.

00:00:28.000 I want to strap C4 to this, and this one I want to spike against the wall.

00:00:31.000 Yeah, that's what I want to do.

00:00:32.000 Are you OCD with time or with everything?

00:00:35.000 With everything.

00:00:36.000 Yeah?

00:00:36.000 Yeah, like my reloading room is disgustingly perfect, and if I load the dishwasher, all the forks have to be symmetrical on one side, and the spoons have to be in the other, and all the mugs, the tall ones, have to be on one side, and then I'm like, yeah.

00:00:47.000 What's that all about?

00:00:48.000 I don't know.

00:00:49.000 I think it came back to, um... 1.00

00:00:51.000 Pull the sucker up to your face. 0.99

00:00:55.000 When everything's the same and something's not the same, it's easiest to see that way. 0.99

00:01:01.000 Right.

00:01:01.000 Right?

00:01:02.000 So, like, counterfeiting.

00:01:03.000 Like, if you're buying a chick in a 13-year-old girl in Tijuana and you're going to want to get the guy for counterfeit money and you want to get him for human trafficking...

00:01:13.000 And he starts handing you crappy bills.

00:01:16.000 The easiest way to spot the bills is to be able to see, have all of your proper bills all in the right order so the one that's fake is going to stick out.

00:01:23.000 And they're like, oh man.

00:01:25.000 Only you would use that example when you're going to Tijuana and someone's trafficking human slavery.

00:01:31.000 That's a good example.

00:01:33.000 With counterfeit money.

00:01:33.000 It is a good example.

00:01:34.000 And if you have a 13-year-old girl with a bunch of 18-year-old girls, you can see the 13-year-old get a little bit easier.

00:01:40.000 Right.

00:01:40.000 Yeah.

00:01:41.000 So it applies to everything.

00:01:42.000 You know, if you have like a bunch of, if you reload, and you have a bunch of grain bullets and you're going to measure and then lot them all.5 separation in grain, so it's like 175, 175.5, 176, 174.5, and so on.

00:01:57.000 When you stack them all together, the easiest way to group them instead of measuring every single one is to look at them and just put the ones that are similarly sized all together, smallest to largest, and then you can weigh them in kind of batches.

00:02:10.000 Have you always been like this?

00:02:11.000 I think so.

00:02:12.000 With everything?

00:02:13.000 Yeah, mostly.

00:02:14.000 What about when you were fighting, your training, did you map out everything to the rep, to the detail, training notes?

00:02:23.000 Greg, if you watch some of our fights, and you were cage-side for almost all of mine in the UFC, you'd hear Greg be like... 0.99

00:02:31.000 Okay, so that went according to plan, or, alright, so let's go ahead and change things up a little bit, because you just got your ass kicked, you know? 0.98

00:02:38.000 So then we'd have to adjust. 0.97

00:02:40.000 He's one of the more interesting corner guys.

00:02:41.000 He's so much fun.

00:02:42.000 Yeah, he enjoys it, and he seems to want you to enjoy it, too.

00:02:47.000 He's like, alright, that went amazing!

00:02:50.000 You know, he's like, come on, let's get some deep breaths.

00:02:53.000 You're doing fantastic.

00:02:55.000 Yeah.

00:02:55.000 In between rounds with Michael Bisping, it was a five-round fight.

00:02:59.000 He comes in and tells me a joke.

00:03:00.000 He told me like a knock-knock joke, and then why a chicken cross the road joke.

00:03:04.000 And I was sitting there, and there's a picture of me quizzically looking at him. 0.98

00:03:06.000 I'm like, I'm going to kill you after this. 0.74

00:03:09.000 You know, like, what are you doing? 0.99

00:03:10.000 And he just wanted me to relax.

00:03:11.000 He just wanted me to breathe.

00:03:13.000 Because I was doing everything I was supposed to be doing.

00:03:15.000 And I just needed to, you know...

00:03:18.000 He just thought you were too tense?

00:03:19.000 Yeah, apparently.

00:03:20.000 Huh. 1.00

00:03:21.000 What a dick. 1.00

00:03:22.000 Playing mind games in the middle of a fight. 1.00

00:03:25.000 Well, you have one minute to figure out what to do and what to say to a guy who just was throwing bombs for five minutes.

00:03:31.000 Yeah.

00:03:32.000 Yeah.

00:03:33.000 Some people have a little more.

00:03:34.000 Do you know that I discussed that yesterday with Big John?

00:03:37.000 I had Big John on the podcast yesterday.

00:03:38.000 We fucked up and he forgot to talk about it during the podcast, but after the podcast, he explained what happened.

00:03:44.000 He says that it was the UFC cut man's fault. 0.93

00:03:48.000 Because he left a giant glob of Vaseline on Yoel's eye.

00:03:52.000 He didn't want to touch it because he felt like if he touched it could open the cut up again.

00:03:55.000 He called the...

00:03:56.000 I guess it was the guy's name, Tate?

00:03:58.000 He tried to call and get the guy to come back in.

00:04:00.000 The guy wouldn't come back in.

00:04:02.000 So the corner man tried to come in.

00:04:03.000 He said no.

00:04:04.000 He's like, you gotta bring the cut man back.

00:04:06.000 And then he wound up doing it by himself.

00:04:08.000 It was the perfect storm. 1.00

00:04:09.000 He said he fucked up. 1.00

00:04:10.000 He said Yoel was definitely playing it off. 0.99

00:04:13.000 And he said, but if he had to do it differently, he would have, A, made Yoel stand up. 1.00

00:04:17.000 And B, he would have made sure that fucking cut man didn't leave the cage with that big glob of ass. 1.00

00:04:24.000 I was just talking crap. 1.00

00:04:25.000 I wasn't actually complaining. 0.99

00:04:26.000 It's a good thing to talk crap about. 0.95

00:04:27.000 Yeah, it was... 0.98

00:04:28.000 But that was a giant issue.

00:04:29.000 It was.

00:04:29.000 It was a 30-second issue for a guy who was really wobbled at the end of the second round.

00:04:34.000 Yeah, and my route to the title.

00:04:36.000 Yeah, it was a big deal.

00:04:37.000 It was a bummer, but it was the perfect storm.

00:04:40.000 And now he's fighting for the title, so hopefully he represents Cuba well. 1.00

00:04:46.000 He's a bad motherfucker. 1.00

00:04:48.000 Yeah, he's a freak. 1.00

00:04:49.000 Yeah, he really is, right? 0.95

00:04:51.000 Yeah.

00:04:52.000 Specimen.

00:04:52.000 Yeah, I mean, when...

00:04:57.000 There's so much going on there.

00:04:59.000 There's the years of training in that crazy Cuba Olympic program.

00:05:02.000 There's phenomenal genetics.

00:05:05.000 There's experience in competing.

00:05:07.000 There's so much going on there with that guy.

00:05:09.000 Layers and layers and layers of the highest level of competition.

00:05:15.000 Mixed in with a life that I think has been very complimentary to a mindset of an athlete.

00:05:24.000 He has pretty much been shaped most of his life to be a highest level athlete.

00:05:31.000 Tricky part is, man, Whitaker's good.

00:05:34.000 Whitaker's very good.

00:05:36.000 He's very good and very young.

00:05:38.000 And Whitaker, you've got to remember, had his knee blown out in the first round.

00:05:42.000 He got his knee hyperextended, tore his MCL pretty badly in the first round and still was able to stuff takedowns on arguably the best wrestler who's ever fought in MMA. Pretty impressive shit. 0.98

00:05:53.000 That's a great fight. 0.99

00:05:54.000 That's a couple weeks from now.

00:05:57.000 Jacare and what's-his-face just fought?

00:06:00.000 Calvin.

00:06:00.000 Yeah.

00:06:03.000 You're so close to the division, you're paying attention to it, and you're just recently retired.

00:06:09.000 Do you still get itchy?

00:06:11.000 Have a crazy competition bug, but not to fight.

00:06:17.000 I'm going to do a bunch of jiu-jitsu this year.

00:06:19.000 I'm competing in long gun, marksman stuff, three gun, heavy steel stuff.

00:06:27.000 What is a long gun?

00:06:29.000 Is that like long range shooting?

00:06:31.000 Yeah, really long range.

00:06:33.000 So there's a bunch of different styles of competitive shooting.

00:06:36.000 There's guys that run around and shoot around barricades very quickly.

00:06:40.000 And then there's kind of the slow aim fire NRA style where you're going standing offhand or weird shooting positions.

00:06:48.000 And then there's it doesn't matter.

00:06:50.000 It just matters how far you can shoot.

00:06:53.000 That's it.

00:06:54.000 Yeah, I have a buddy who's into that. 0.99

00:06:55.000 He's into banging steel like a mile away or whatever the fuck it is. 0.99

00:06:59.000 Yeah, that's it. 0.98

00:07:00.000 Crazy ballistic calculations and literally calculating the curve of the earth.

00:07:06.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:07:08.000 Barometric pressure, I mean the temperature of your ammo to a degree plays a factor.

00:07:16.000 Every imaginable, measurable thing plays a factor in how the bullet is going to fly.

00:07:21.000 It's a real touchy subject in hunting because there's a lot of people that are getting into that with really long range shots on animals and the question about whether or not it's ethical and who's it ethical for.

00:07:33.000 I don't know where I stand on that.

00:07:37.000 I bounce between rifle hunting and bow hunting.

00:07:44.000 As a kid, the first time that I took a shot, I wasn't 100% positive the animal wouldn't just fall over.

00:07:53.000 I mean, my dad scuffed me up, you know?

00:07:56.000 And I was like, 11?

00:07:58.000 So...

00:07:59.000 There has since then been a, the preponderance of responsibility has always been on the hunter to, without question, know the animal is going to fall right then, right there.

00:08:10.000 We're not stocking it for two days.

00:08:11.000 You know, I'm not following a blood trail for nine hours to see an animal hyperventilating.

00:08:16.000 Now the meat's not even good.

00:08:18.000 Huge adrenaline spike.

00:08:20.000 You know, it's like right there.

00:08:21.000 That's your meat, and you're going to go get it.

00:08:24.000 Right.

00:08:26.000 That's best case scenario, but even then, animals jump the string.

00:08:30.000 Yeah, and how do you do that when you're shooting something that the bullet flight is going to be up for six seconds?

00:08:35.000 Right.

00:08:36.000 Yeah.

00:08:37.000 Is it really that long?

00:08:38.000 Yeah.

00:08:39.000 How long is it, like, if you're shooting, say, a thousand yards?

00:08:43.000 Oh, a thousand?

00:08:44.000 Three.

00:08:44.000 Three seconds?

00:08:45.000 Yeah.

00:08:45.000 That's a long time.

00:08:46.000 That is a long time.

00:08:47.000 Animals can take a couple steps in three seconds.

00:08:50.000 Yeah, the heart's this big, you know?

00:08:51.000 Yeah.

00:08:52.000 Size of our two fists, and that's not a lot of margin of error.

00:08:56.000 The wind changing one mile an hour.

00:08:58.000 One mile an hour at a thousand yards could make you miss that heart.

00:09:03.000 Wow.

00:09:04.000 Yeah.

00:09:05.000 Yeah, it's one of those weird sort of things where people are getting into it because there's a bragging rights aspect of it.

00:09:14.000 You know, you shot this elk at 800 yards, and most people go, 800 yards?

00:09:18.000 You tell somebody you shot some of the 200 yards, they go, oh, it's a good shot, it's reasonable, ethical.

00:09:24.000 You know, if you have your crosshairs on an animal's vitals at 200 yards, it's basically a dead animal.

00:09:29.000 Absolutely.

00:09:29.000 But you get to like 600, 700, you're like, ooh.

00:09:32.000 Yep.

00:09:33.000 That's a tiny little spot you're aiming at. 1.00

00:09:35.000 Shit gets wiggly. 1.00

00:09:38.000 I think you're a conservationist. 1.00

00:09:41.000 I think I'm a conservationist.

00:09:43.000 We're talking in the tens of millions of dollars go into conservation from hunters every single day from hunting.

00:09:52.000 The U.S. wildlife...

00:09:54.000 Department of Wildlife, they don't know how they're going to be paying for the protection of habitats without hunting permits because the number of people that are hunting are shrinking.

00:10:03.000 So there's a huge influx and question about how moral are different styles of hunting?

00:10:10.000 What are the best?

00:10:11.000 And how are we going to make sure that we protect these animals and protect their habitats?

00:10:16.000 All the while, you know, I was telling you about that elk I shot at the beginning of the year.

00:10:23.000 And I had a clean, broadside shot at 600 meters.

00:10:26.000 And I was like, I'm shooting a.308.

00:10:30.000 Totally super doable.

00:10:31.000 You know, I can do that almost in my sleep on my home range.

00:10:35.000 But I'm shooting an animal.

00:10:36.000 And I was like, no, let me just walk this guy down another ridge.

00:10:40.000 So move upwind, come back down, and my next shot was at like.320.

00:10:46.000 You know, one shot and he sits down.

00:10:49.000 So, I think the responsibility always, in all things, should fall on the individual.

00:10:55.000 But now it's just getting all the individuals to actually have responsibility. 0.99

00:11:01.000 That's where it gets really stupid. 0.99

00:11:04.000 There's just people that... 1.00

00:11:07.000 They're not good people.

00:11:08.000 They weren't raised well.

00:11:11.000 Are people good?

00:11:12.000 Some people.

00:11:13.000 In moments.

00:11:15.000 What do you mean when you say that?

00:11:17.000 My mom and I, we argue about this a lot.

00:11:20.000 She thinks people are inherently good.

00:11:24.000 And I'm like...

00:11:25.000 You've seen so much of the bad.

00:11:28.000 Yeah, obviously I'm going to have a calloused, I'm not going to have the most objective perspective.

00:11:33.000 But I want to think people are good, but I think hunters in general, let's just use that because that's what we're talking about right now, of 100 hunters...

00:11:44.000 What percentage are going to do the right thing?

00:11:46.000 Are going to do the moral thing, the ethical thing, the thing that's the best interest for the animal, for conservation, for nature, out of 100?

00:11:56.000 You know, if they're on a hunt.

00:11:58.000 I would say for sure the majority.

00:12:00.000 Okay.

00:12:00.000 And now it gets down to, you know, guesswork as to what the numbers are.

00:12:04.000 Like 60%?

00:12:05.000 I'd say more.

00:12:07.000 I like that.

00:12:08.000 I like to think it's in the 70s or 80s.

00:12:10.000 I wish it was 100. For sure.

00:12:11.000 You know?

00:12:12.000 And I wish anything other than that was just a mistake.

00:12:14.000 You know?

00:12:15.000 But...

00:12:15.000 There's going to be people that poach.

00:12:17.000 There's going to be people that cross property boundaries when they know they're not supposed to. 0.99

00:12:20.000 There's going to be people that shoot an animal when the season opens tomorrow morning and they get there a day early and they see an animal and they just say, fuck it, I'm just going to shoot it and hang it and say I shot it the next day. 0.99

00:12:30.000 There's like gray area stuff. 0.99

00:12:32.000 You know, you're definitely doing something illegal, but it's still hunting.

00:12:36.000 You still have a tag.

00:12:38.000 You know, and it's just people bending the rules.

00:12:41.000 Yeah.

00:12:41.000 And then there's people that just, you know, they'll shoot two, three animals, and they're only supposed to shoot one.

00:12:48.000 They'll hide the meat.

00:12:49.000 Yeah.

00:12:51.000 There's always going to be people like that. 1.00

00:12:54.000 Assholes. 1.00

00:12:54.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:12:54.000 Seriously. 1.00

00:12:56.000 Selfish.

00:12:56.000 Yeah.

00:12:57.000 There's always going to be people like that, unfortunately.

00:12:59.000 And the thing about hunting is it's so controversial.

00:13:01.000 In a world where 95 to 97, depending on who you ask, percent of the people eat meat, it's still very controversial to go out and kill it yourself.

00:13:10.000 It's weird.

00:13:11.000 I still can't understand this.

00:13:12.000 It's very weird.

00:13:12.000 I know.

00:13:14.000 In addition to people being maybe moral or immoral or most are good or most are bad, There's the contradiction of people not even using their brains, you know?

00:13:28.000 I had the best tacos I've maybe ever had in my life last week.

00:13:34.000 Those are after getting waterboarded, right?

00:13:36.000 Yep, yep.

00:13:37.000 Maybe they tasted extra sweet.

00:13:38.000 But I had a bunch of friends over.

00:13:40.000 We had some wine from...

00:13:43.000 Right, right next door to where my parents, like where I grew up, and the animal, the elk that we were cooking.

00:13:49.000 I mean, I saw it for a day as I walked this thing down.

00:13:54.000 I mean, the most beautiful, majestic creature.

00:13:56.000 Like I said, I was 600, moved into just under three, or right at three, and...

00:14:03.000 So I got to see it in life.

00:14:04.000 I got to see it at its death.

00:14:06.000 I got to see after death.

00:14:07.000 I have the whole entire trophy, just like you.

00:14:13.000 But I have two freezers.

00:14:15.000 I garnered almost 600 cumulative pounds from the hide, the head, and the meat to shy of 400 pounds of meat off that thing.

00:14:25.000 I still have two freezers full of meat.

00:14:29.000 You know?

00:14:29.000 It's a big animal.

00:14:30.000 It's a big animal!

00:14:31.000 Delicious big animal.

00:14:32.000 It's so good.

00:14:33.000 It's the best for you, too.

00:14:35.000 It just feels different when you eat it.

00:14:36.000 It's so good in your mouth.

00:14:37.000 Yeah.

00:14:37.000 It's the best for you in your mouth.

00:14:38.000 Yeah.

00:14:39.000 It's the best for your body, too.

00:14:40.000 I feel like it charges me up.

00:14:42.000 I want to fight Velociraptors after...

00:14:44.000 I was like...

00:14:44.000 I mean, I want to go to Colombia, to Medellin, where the good stuff is.

00:14:49.000 Steal some of the good Coke, like the old Pablo Escobar style Coke, and then bring that back to wherever I am.

00:14:58.000 And I think that's the equivalent of what good elk tastes like in your mouth.

00:15:02.000 I've never done good coke or bad coke.

00:15:05.000 Well, I've never done any coke, but judging from the amount of money that Pablo Escobar made and the way that people talked about it and how rich Medin still is, I think it's pretty good stuff.

00:15:14.000 There's definitely a high demand.

00:15:17.000 Yeah.

00:15:18.000 The contradiction would be like people who are animal rights lovers.

00:15:23.000 It would be like you just talked about this majestic animal that you watched and you admired and then you shot it and killed it.

00:15:29.000 Yeah.

00:15:29.000 God, it's beautiful.

00:15:31.000 Yeah, I still love it.

00:15:33.000 I love every single ounce of it.

00:15:34.000 I know, and I agree with you, but for people that are, you know, maybe animal rights activists or vegans...

00:15:40.000 How many of them have ever been to...

00:15:42.000 Not that I'm dogging on the cattle industry, because I'm not.

00:15:47.000 I think they try to do the best that they can with what they have to produce enough food to feed a huge, ever-growing population.

00:15:54.000 I mean, this is a hard thing.

00:15:56.000 You've been to one of those farms?

00:15:58.000 I have.

00:15:59.000 Yeah.

00:16:00.000 I've been to good ones and I've been to bad ones.

00:16:03.000 I know how my animal died.

00:16:06.000 And it died fast, peacefully, right where it loved being.

00:16:10.000 And never felt anything, never saw anything.

00:16:14.000 It just crumbled.

00:16:16.000 Yeah, there's also the balance of life, too.

00:16:19.000 Unless you want to bring wolves and more mountain lions into Texas and to wherever you're hunting.

00:16:26.000 They tried that.

00:16:27.000 That's not working.

00:16:28.000 It's not working.

00:16:29.000 No, they brought the wolves, and now they're looking to hunters like me to come in to balance the wolves because the wolves...

00:16:34.000 Are decimating the herds to a degree that they've never seen ever because there's no balance.

00:16:41.000 There's nothing to balance the wolves.

00:16:43.000 Right.

00:16:43.000 So what was the amount of available food resources, now the wolves are just killing everything.

00:16:49.000 So even Yellowstone, they're like, can we bring in some pro hunters to try and balance this?

00:16:54.000 They knocked down the herd in Yellowstone by 90% at one point.

00:16:59.000 90%.

00:16:59.000 Just from the wolves they brought in the 90s.

00:17:01.000 Yeah.

00:17:02.000 Okay, we lost the wolves from the 60s to the 80s.

00:17:06.000 So let's bring back some wolves in the 90s and think that we can balance things.

00:17:09.000 And while it paid a positive effect for about 10 years, then 2010 rolls around.

00:17:17.000 They're like, wait, wait a second.

00:17:19.000 They're killing entire herds.

00:17:22.000 We might lose all indigenous elk here.

00:17:25.000 If we don't do something immediately.

00:17:28.000 So now they're bringing in guys like me to dart them and try and relocate them and bring cows, whatever.

00:17:34.000 Well, the whole idea behind it was so crazy.

00:17:37.000 They went and got these giant Canadian gray wolves and brought them over here into a place where the animals had...

00:17:42.000 They had no knowledge of wolves.

00:17:45.000 They had wiped out the wolf population in the 1800s.

00:17:47.000 The size of the wolf is bigger than what was originally here.

00:17:50.000 So naturally, the amount of calories that that wolf needed was greater.

00:17:54.000 And with 100 years of lack of evolution for the animals that were there to know what to do, it was just fish in a barrel for these wolves.

00:18:06.000 They're adapting, though.

00:18:07.000 They're adapting.

00:18:08.000 Hopefully.

00:18:08.000 They're adapting quick, but they're still getting jacked.

00:18:10.000 Part of the problem is people say, well, they're killing the weak animals.

00:18:14.000 But they're not.

00:18:15.000 They're killing everything. 0.76

00:18:16.000 Because the weak ones go down into the farmlands.

00:18:19.000 You're getting the cows and the calves, the smaller elk, the female elk, and the babies.

00:18:25.000 They're moving into farmlands, and the big males, when they're not rutting, they stay up in the mountains.

00:18:30.000 And they usually form these bachelor herds.

00:18:33.000 Right.

00:18:33.000 When they're not rutting.

00:18:35.000 And when this is happening, that's where the wolves are.

00:18:37.000 So the wolves are killing...

00:18:38.000 I mean, I have friends that live in Idaho and friends that live in Montana, and they're like, it's bad. 0.99

00:18:44.000 There's a lot of fucking wolves killing giant elk. 0.97

00:18:48.000 I've been failing in communicating. 0.99

00:18:51.000 So right now we agree with each other and we're, you know, almost echoing the same sediments.

00:18:57.000 So that person that doesn't agree with us, that vegetarian, vegan, a conservationist that looks at us like, no, no, you guys are hunters.

00:19:06.000 You can't be conservationists.

00:19:08.000 Where does the conversation start?

00:19:10.000 Where's the middle ground where you can find...

00:19:14.000 One, where an opportunity to build rapport and to have a conversation, to have a discussion, to have maybe even a debate where you can intellectually talk through your different perspectives.

00:19:26.000 I've been failing at this miserably of late, and I've been getting a lot of...

00:19:31.000 It's weird when my social media...

00:19:33.000 I think I have a lot of conservative, military, pro-Second Amendment types that follow me.

00:19:40.000 When that whole entire base is mad at me...

00:19:43.000 Which is weird.

00:19:44.000 And then on the other side, the far left progressive side is looking at me and being like, oh, we hate you too.

00:19:52.000 So I'm like, I have now pissed off 95% of people on social media because I'm trying to find middle ground so we can talk.

00:19:59.000 Have you pissed off the conservatives?

00:20:01.000 Yeah.

00:20:01.000 Have you done that?

00:20:03.000 Lance Armstrong and I were...

00:20:06.000 Talking about gun control after the Parkland shooting in Florida.

00:20:12.000 And he asked me, do you think gun control is a solution?

00:20:16.000 And I said, absolutely.

00:20:18.000 I think gun control can be a massive solution. 0.98

00:20:20.000 Verbatim.

00:20:20.000 That's exactly what I said.

00:20:22.000 Now, to me, gun control, those are words.

00:20:25.000 Words like well-regulated militia, the words in the Constitution.

00:20:29.000 That's almost synonymous to me.

00:20:30.000 Gun laws, also a form of gun control, just like a well-regulated militia.

00:20:34.000 I think that having good, safe gun laws save lives.

00:20:39.000 I don't want to have a felon, an MS-13 guy, an illegal immigrant, somebody that's been dishonorably discharged from the military, to get their hands on a gun. 0.65

00:20:46.000 We have those laws.

00:20:47.000 Those are forms of gun control, in my opinion.

00:20:50.000 But the conservatives' second amendment, if you use the words gun control, like I was immediately called a Benedict Arnold, I'm a traitor, I was a duff.

00:21:02.000 I don't even know what a duff is.

00:21:04.000 That was a reoccurring one.

00:21:05.000 I think it was the guy from Roger Rabbit, the guy that would hunt around with the gun, but he didn't know how to use the gun because he always missed Roger Rabbit.

00:21:15.000 Yeah.

00:21:16.000 Do you mean Bugs Bunny?

00:21:18.000 Yeah, yeah, Bugs Bunny.

00:21:19.000 So Elmer Fudd.

00:21:21.000 Yeah, a Fudd. 0.92

00:21:21.000 That's what they called me, a Fudd. 0.92

00:21:24.000 Hundreds of people.

00:21:26.000 And I'm trying to have a conversation with Lance Armstrong, a guy that had never shot a gun at the time, that...

00:21:33.000 Was against private citizens really owning guns.

00:21:37.000 And he couldn't be more for gun control, but I wanted just to talk to him.

00:21:41.000 And so I had no problem using his vernacular, using the words that he's comfortable with, like gun control.

00:21:48.000 Even though, to me, that's just gun laws, that's well-regulated militia.

00:21:51.000 I mean, I'm a huge Second Amendment proponent.

00:21:53.000 I don't think anybody has ever questioned that until this moment.

00:21:57.000 Well, Hawk, if they just pay attention to you for five minutes, all they have to do is just go to your social media and go, this is not an anti-gun guy.

00:22:03.000 No.

00:22:03.000 It's a guy who's on the range.

00:22:04.000 How many days a week?

00:22:05.000 Six?

00:22:05.000 Five?

00:22:06.000 Yeah.

00:22:06.000 Come on.

00:22:06.000 Yeah.

00:22:07.000 Like, I'm mad that I'm here with you.

00:22:09.000 That you're not on the range.

00:22:10.000 Because I'm not on the range, you know?

00:22:11.000 But I'm sorry.

00:22:12.000 I'll make it up tomorrow. 0.96

00:22:13.000 Yeah, you're a gun nut. 0.89

00:22:14.000 Yeah, for sure. 0.76

00:22:15.000 For sure.

00:22:16.000 I mean, it's an occupational thing.

00:22:17.000 Yes.

00:22:18.000 Like, I have no choice.

00:22:19.000 This is what I do now. 0.76

00:22:20.000 If you want to be excellent at your job, you must be a gun nut.

00:22:23.000 Yeah.

00:22:24.000 Well, in that conversation, I... Disavowed apparently my my huge group of Second Amendment loving people.

00:22:35.000 I have a theory on that I think there's a lot of people are just looking get pissed off and if you say any word that they Decide is a hot-button word like gun control.

00:22:43.000 They don't care if you've thought it out you have a rational perspective on what you consider gun control like there was a Statement that was released by a group of hunters It was hunters for gun control, and they had a bunch of reasonable reasons why people shouldn't have a firearm that could get a firearm currently.

00:23:05.000 And it all made sense.

00:23:07.000 But the response to that, the backlash of it, it's not debate.

00:23:13.000 It's like people on that side, the pro-Second Amendment side, they are so terrified of any new regulation.

00:23:20.000 And they think that you have to hold your ground because any slipping backwards is going to eventually lead to someone taking your guns away.

00:23:27.000 I mean, I do understand the death by a thousand cuts.

00:23:31.000 You know, I think that has always been the perspective.

00:23:33.000 You know, if you look at... 0.99

00:23:34.000 It's not like Adolf Hitler said, okay, we're going to kill all the blacks and all the Jews overnight. 0.99

00:23:40.000 That's not what happened, right? 0.98

00:23:41.000 It was over the course of seven, eight years where he just very slowly, incrementally changed laws.

00:23:47.000 Okay, they're not allowed to shop here.

00:23:48.000 Okay, they're not allowed to go here.

00:23:49.000 Okay, now we're going to move them all into the same area.

00:23:51.000 And very slowly...

00:23:53.000 Not slowly, in a matter of five, six, seven years, he started a genocide of an entire ethnicity.

00:24:00.000 And that's the fear.

00:24:02.000 It's, okay, it's going to be incremental.

00:24:04.000 And at some point, we're going to turn around and look and be like, look at all of this freedom that we've lost.

00:24:08.000 I think it's the same, you know, with during, right after 9-11, when George Bush, you know, the Freedom Act, or the Patriot Act, the Patriot Act, you know, like, that was one of the largest losses of...

00:24:22.000 Privacy that Americans have ever experienced.

00:24:25.000 But we're fearful.

00:24:26.000 We're scared.

00:24:28.000 I love dangerous freedom.

00:24:30.000 But overnight, we lost a ton of that.

00:24:32.000 Not incrementally, just overnight.

00:24:36.000 But the most efficient way is to take it bit by bit by bit.

00:24:39.000 So I get that.

00:24:42.000 But for Christ's sakes, man, you can't find somebody that's more of a proponent of the Second Amendment than me, except apparently on that day when I pissed off.

00:24:49.000 So I'm trying to figure out how to have a conversation.

00:24:52.000 I can't do it.

00:24:52.000 I don't think that they are any more of a Second Amendment proponent than you are.

00:24:56.000 I just think they're ideologically so rigid in this idea that you can't change gun laws at all.

00:25:02.000 I mean, if you think that someone who's on antipsychotic medication, who has bouts of manic schizophrenia, you think that person should be allowed to have guns when they hear voices that aren't real, they see things that aren't really there.

00:25:14.000 They've been reported to the FBI a handful of times, the sheriff knows about them, the principal knows about them.

00:25:19.000 Well, obviously the problem with that is someone can decide to report Tim Kennedy.

00:25:24.000 They can make up some story.

00:25:25.000 Look, Tim Kennedy's been acting crazy.

00:25:26.000 Tim Kennedy's doing these things. 1.00

00:25:28.000 He's gonna kill my family. 0.99

00:25:28.000 Tim Kennedy's doing this. 0.99

00:25:29.000 Tim Kennedy's doing...

00:25:30.000 If someone just decides to actively target you in that way, they can sort of frame you as some sort of a crazy person and then use that as an excuse to go after your guns.

00:25:41.000 I mean, this is what people are terrified of.

00:25:42.000 Yeah.

00:25:43.000 And that is possible.

00:25:44.000 It is.

00:25:44.000 And there's no due process on the backside.

00:25:48.000 Okay, so if somebody was wrongfully put on a list or not to be allowed to buy a gun, how do you get off that list?

00:25:55.000 Right.

00:25:55.000 How do you?

00:25:56.000 I don't know.

00:25:57.000 How do you?

00:25:57.000 I mean, as a guy that spends quite a bit of time, what I think hopefully protecting gun laws and protecting gun ownership, I don't even know how to get off that list.

00:26:06.000 No.

00:26:06.000 That's scary?

00:26:07.000 You probably don't.

00:26:08.000 You probably don't get off of it.

00:26:09.000 It's like the no-fly list.

00:26:10.000 There's just not a way to not get off it. 0.99

00:26:11.000 Who the fuck ever gets back on the fly? 0.99

00:26:13.000 I know you were off the list, but you're back on. 0.99

00:26:16.000 Come on back.

00:26:16.000 Get on board, Southwest.

00:26:18.000 No worries.

00:26:18.000 Sit near the window.

00:26:19.000 No.

00:26:19.000 Can I have my beverage service and peanuts, please?

00:26:21.000 Yeah.

00:26:22.000 It's...

00:26:23.000 Things where there's a left side and a right side.

00:26:26.000 If you say something that the left believes in, you're a traitor. 0.80

00:26:29.000 And if you're on the other side, if you say something the right believes in, you're a traitor.

00:26:32.000 But the conversation has to happen in the middle.

00:26:34.000 Right, it does.

00:26:35.000 So how do you do that?

00:26:37.000 Well, the conversation with animals has to happen in the middle. 0.90

00:26:39.000 When you're talking about the consumption of animals, you have the hardcore animal rights activists who don't want anything to die, but how do they feel about wolves eating elk asshole first? 0.98

00:26:48.000 Tear them apart. 0.96

00:26:49.000 Are you okay with that?

00:26:50.000 Are you okay with natural predation?

00:26:52.000 You are.

00:26:53.000 You're just not okay with humans predating.

00:26:55.000 So how do you want to balance out the population of, say, wild pigs?

00:27:00.000 What's your proposal?

00:27:01.000 They don't have one.

00:27:03.000 There's not enough resources in the world to go out and trap them.

00:27:05.000 And if you did trap them, what are you going to do?

00:27:07.000 Are you going to fix them?

00:27:08.000 Are you going to give them vasectomies? 0.75

00:27:10.000 We tried to give them to the homeless, but the homeless weren't eating them in Texas.

00:27:14.000 Really?

00:27:15.000 Yeah.

00:27:15.000 Why would you not eat wild pig?

00:27:17.000 It's delicious.

00:27:18.000 Texas wild pig's pretty...

00:27:20.000 Is it funky?

00:27:20.000 It's pretty funky.

00:27:21.000 Really?

00:27:21.000 Isn't it just how you take care of it?

00:27:24.000 Well, you have to take care of it.

00:27:25.000 That's the thing, is these are swamp living...

00:27:28.000 Oh, right, right, right.

00:27:29.000 ...rough, pretty nasty things.

00:27:31.000 So there was a period of time where we could go, and during the eradication, we were trying to curb the ever-growing population.

00:27:38.000 If you shot...

00:27:40.000 X number, you could bring maybe a fat sow in to the food shelter, and they'd have a butcher, and then they'd try to serve it, and they're like, nobody was eating it.

00:27:49.000 So then we tried that for about six months, and then they said, forget it.

00:27:52.000 We're just wasting money.

00:27:53.000 That is just so goofy. 0.55

00:27:55.000 What a goofy world we live in where people who are starving are picky.

00:27:58.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:27:59.000 Like, I don't want that wild pig.

00:28:01.000 Well, maybe, I mean, in their defense, maybe it's just really poorly handled, and by the time they get it, it's tainted, it smells bad, and I don't know. 0.98

00:28:08.000 I mean, it's entirely possible that somebody fucked it up along the way.

00:28:12.000 They don't treat wild pigs in Texas like you would treat a deer that you shot that you hunted down and took a long time to track, and you had to get into perfect position, and you cherish that meat. 0.98

00:28:24.000 Wild pigs are shooting them out of helicopters.

00:28:26.000 I'm sure you've seen those Ted Nugent videos.

00:28:27.000 Oh, yeah, I do it.

00:28:28.000 Do you do that?

00:28:29.000 Yeah, I do it.

00:28:29.000 The hella hunting?

00:28:30.000 Yeah.

00:28:31.000 They'll be farms.

00:28:32.000 So a farm in, let's say, central Texas, north of Austin, south of Dallas, they're losing 10-15% of their agriculture every single year to wild pigs.

00:28:43.000 Millions of dollars.

00:28:44.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:28:45.000 So if you have a $10 million ranch, you're losing $1.5 million to wild pigs.

00:28:54.000 Yeah, and there's not a lot of profit in being a farmer.

00:28:57.000 So one and a half million dollars is a lot of money to these guys.

00:29:01.000 And then on the flip side, you have a bunch of, I'm using hunters, guys that are coming to, because it's sport fun.

00:29:10.000 I mean, there's not...

00:29:11.000 There's not much fair game here.

00:29:13.000 There's not stock in these animals.

00:29:14.000 It's thermals.

00:29:15.000 It's white lights off jeeps.

00:29:18.000 It's any way you can imagine to try to kill these things, and we're not even making a dent in how fast these things are breeding.

00:29:25.000 A sow can have...

00:29:29.000 At the age of one, it can start having three or four litters a year.

00:29:32.000 I think it's six months.

00:29:34.000 Oh, it's crazy.

00:29:34.000 I think they can start breeding at six months.

00:29:36.000 And they're having multiple litters a year, and each litter can have six to ten pigs.

00:29:42.000 Yeah.

00:29:43.000 We're done.

00:29:43.000 If they're zombies, it's over.

00:29:45.000 It's over.

00:29:46.000 Well, if they were predators.

00:29:47.000 I mean, imagine if these things were like wolves.

00:29:50.000 Oh, I have imagined.

00:29:51.000 If wolves spread like that. 0.61

00:29:51.000 Oh, I bet you have. 0.61

00:29:52.000 Yeah.

00:29:53.000 Yeah, you don't know how Tim goes to sleep at night.

00:29:54.000 You just nailed it, Joe.

00:29:56.000 You got it.

00:29:56.000 I mean, could you imagine if wolves were doing that?

00:29:59.000 If there were that many wolves, and they were just roaming through the countryside, packs of a thousand wolves. 0.74

00:30:03.000 I have an erection now. 0.90

00:30:04.000 Woo! 0.99

00:30:05.000 Curb it.

00:30:06.000 Pull it back.

00:30:07.000 Pull it back.

00:30:07.000 Use your mind.

00:30:08.000 Yeah, I mean, that conversation is the conversation where the vegans run into an ideological wall.

00:30:14.000 Like, what do you say about that?

00:30:16.000 You want to just live and let be?

00:30:18.000 Well, you're not going to have any vegan food, because they eat vegan food.

00:30:21.000 Okay, you're not going to have any food.

00:30:22.000 The pigs are going to eat all your food unless you're growing your own food. 0.93

00:30:25.000 And then what are you going to do if the pigs break your fences and eat your food and you don't have any food left?

00:30:29.000 Oh, they break your fences.

00:30:30.000 They do break your fences.

00:30:31.000 They break your everything.

00:30:32.000 They are big and they're powerful creatures and they decimate...

00:30:36.000 Ground nesting birds, anything that's small.

00:30:39.000 I mean, there's some videos that we have from Texas of a big boar running away with an axis deer fawn in its mouth.

00:30:46.000 I mean, they eat everything they can.

00:30:49.000 They're monsters.

00:30:51.000 And they're delicious. 0.75

00:30:52.000 I don't know about the Texas ones.

00:30:54.000 I've eaten a couple of California ones.

00:30:57.000 They were fantastic.

00:30:58.000 My dad, he's in Monterey County.

00:31:01.000 He has his pig trough, pig pond, and he has a herd of pigs that come every night.

00:31:10.000 It's almost like a visceral response for me to watch my dad drive down in his four-wheeler and feed these things where I'm like, oh no, dad.

00:31:17.000 Why does he feed them?

00:31:18.000 Because he loves them.

00:31:20.000 Elk comes through there.

00:31:21.000 He has truly elk that wanders his property. 0.74

00:31:24.000 And so he has a bunch of these wild pigs.

00:31:26.000 And so he and my mom, they sit on the porch and they watch the wild animals and the deer.

00:31:31.000 It's kind of cool.

00:31:32.000 Super cool.

00:31:34.000 But then the Texan in me is like, I want to just get rid of all of those things.

00:31:39.000 They're an abomination.

00:31:40.000 Yeah.

00:31:40.000 Missouri has an interesting take on it.

00:31:42.000 They're making hunting them illegal.

00:31:45.000 And the reason why they're making hunting them illegal is because people are bringing them into areas and releasing them in public land so that they can hunt these wild pigs.

00:31:53.000 And they're recognizing this.

00:31:54.000 So what they've done to curb the desire for people to do that is, first of all, they're trapping them instead of running down with dogs or shooting them.

00:32:04.000 And they find by trapping them.

00:32:05.000 There's a great podcast that Steve Rinella, he has the Meat Eater podcast.

00:32:09.000 It's a great podcast.

00:32:10.000 But he had a guy who is a wild pig eradication expert from Missouri.

00:32:16.000 He works for the Department of Fish and Wildlife down there.

00:32:21.000 I guess they call it Fish and game down there.

00:32:23.000 California they call it fish and wildlife.

00:32:25.000 But they've used these traps.

00:32:27.000 They can get as many as like 63 pigs at a time.

00:32:30.000 And he's like, if we tried to shoot 63 pigs, it would take forever to do that.

00:32:35.000 So they're using these large-scale traps, catching these pigs, and, you know, they're just killing them.

00:32:41.000 And the way they're doing, they get a lot of backlash from hunters because the hunters are like, well, why don't you just let us hunt them?

00:32:47.000 They say, no, we want to get rid of all of them.

00:32:50.000 These are a dangerous invasive species.

00:32:52.000 You guys want to keep someone around for fun, but you're not going to manage the population correctly.

00:32:56.000 You really can't.

00:32:57.000 So they're on an eradication bend down there.

00:33:01.000 I'd love to see how that works.

00:33:02.000 They're apparently doing a really good job in keeping them from spreading into new areas of public land. 0.91

00:33:07.000 They'll get a notification, someone will say, hey, we saw a sow and two baby piglets in this one area, and they will just go there immediately and just track those things down and try to kill them.

00:33:19.000 The areas where populations are clearly established, they're trying to get them from spreading.

00:33:23.000 Yeah.

00:33:24.000 I mean, it's a huge industry, too, though.

00:33:26.000 Yeah.

00:33:26.000 I mean, hunting in general, we're talking billions and billions of dollars.

00:33:30.000 And, you know, whether you're trophy hunting in Africa and you're paying a few hundred thousand dollars for a water buffalo, or, you know, you're going and, you know, you're just getting some...

00:33:43.000 A blessed buck or an Impala, and you're still paying $10,000.

00:33:47.000 The flight, the donating the food to the village, the trophy fee, the processing, then the shipping, the gun itself, the ammo, paying for the pH, paying for the guide, paying for the tracker.

00:34:01.000 That's all real, real money.

00:34:03.000 And then even on the local American side, deer hunting, elk hunting, pig hunting, still billion dollar industry.

00:34:13.000 And that money directly goes back to habitat protection, conservation, not in like incremental percentages, massive portions of that money.

00:34:25.000 Yeah, it's the Pickman Roberts Act, right?

00:34:27.000 It's like, what is it, 11%?

00:34:29.000 Jamie, see if you can find that.

00:34:31.000 I think they established that in the 30s.

00:34:33.000 And this was in response to, you know, what Teddy Roosevelt did when they were trying to keep large swaths of public Yeah.

00:34:59.000 You can't just go shoot a bunch of deer and then sell it to people.

00:35:02.000 It's illegal.

00:35:03.000 And one of the reasons why it's illegal is they wanted to stop market hunting.

00:35:06.000 So they take all this money, which I believe is 11%.

00:35:09.000 Is it 11%? 0.95

00:35:10.000 11% of all the money from hunting supplies, gear, guns, all that shit, all of it goes towards conservation. 0.97

00:35:17.000 And that turns out to be billions and billions of dollars a year. 0.90

00:35:20.000 And that's what keeps...

00:35:23.000 The protection, here it goes right here.

00:35:25.000 Okay, the early 1900s, many wildlife species were disappearing or declining.

00:35:30.000 The firearms and ammunition industry asked Congress to impose an excise tax.

00:35:35.000 I mean, that is amazing.

00:35:35.000 They asked Congress to impose this tax on the sale of firearms and ammunition to help fund wildlife conservation in the United States.

00:35:42.000 The Pittman-Robertson Act passed in 1937. Known as the Federal Aid and Wildlife Restoration.

00:35:49.000 So this is how wetlands get preserved, wildlife habitat, like traveling corridors for mule deer, how they keep them from getting developed.

00:36:00.000 All that stuff is through conservation money that comes from hunting.

00:36:03.000 The difference between the amount of money that comes from hunting and conservation acts that gets donated to preserve wildlife versus animal rights groups is so stunning.

00:36:13.000 You can't even count.

00:36:14.000 It's like 90 pennies on the It's nothing.

00:36:17.000 It's like they don't donate it.

00:36:18.000 I mean, some people donate a few dollars here or there to things, but the vast majority of the money comes from hunters, which creates this really confusing place for a lot of people who are opposed to killing animals.

00:36:31.000 That ends up being the middle ground conversation that nobody will actually have.

00:36:35.000 Right.

00:36:35.000 Well, that's the conversation about Africa, too, right?

00:36:38.000 That those animals, when you let people hunt them, they're worth a lot more than if you just let the poachers come in and do what they will with them.

00:36:44.000 And they're protected.

00:36:45.000 And they're protected.

00:36:45.000 But the moment that the hunters go away, they disappear.

00:36:48.000 But the animal rights activists and the vegans would like us to move past that and get to the point where we don't kill animals at all.

00:36:54.000 And if you eat animals, you get it from a lab.

00:36:57.000 It's not impossible, but it's...

00:36:59.000 Go to Africa. 0.98

00:37:00.000 In Africa, it's probably impossible in the current state.

00:37:03.000 Unless some massive evolution happens with consciousness and people just stop being people.

00:37:09.000 Yeah, and so Limpopo, which is north of South Africa, right on the Botswana border, they kind of like gave this whirl of trying to...

00:37:19.000 90% of the exact right location, but they outlawed the hunting of some specific wild game.

00:37:26.000 And...

00:37:28.000 The farmers that had them just kind of, okay, we're just going to let them go because they're not worth anything to us.

00:37:35.000 All of their animals disappeared in a year, poached.

00:37:39.000 That's crazy.

00:37:40.000 In a year, one year, all of them were gone, just disappeared.

00:37:44.000 So the intent was, okay, these are nearing endangered, so we're going to not allow people to hunt them.

00:37:51.000 And then they went from endangered to Almost endangered to absolutely endangered, critically, because nobody was protecting them, because there were no hunters that wanted them.

00:38:02.000 It's hard for people to wrap their head around because it's so messy.

00:38:06.000 It's not a clean issue.

00:38:08.000 It's so messy. 1.00

00:38:09.000 And you see some fat slob holding his rifle over a lion and you go, and there's no way in nature this fat fuck should be able to shoot that lion and just, you know, and mount it on his wall. 1.00

00:38:21.000 There's a photo that I got off the internet of a guy. 1.00

00:38:23.000 He looks like he's about 500 pounds and he's just overflowing with gluttony and he's got a rifle and there's a dead lion there.

00:38:30.000 And I'm like, okay.

00:38:31.000 This is everything that's wrong with hunting because he's not going to eat that lion.

00:38:35.000 Why did he go over there to shoot that lion?

00:38:37.000 It's one thing if that lion was hunting his family or interfering with his cattle business.

00:38:41.000 No, no, no.

00:38:42.000 That guy flew over there.

00:38:43.000 He waddled over to the bog pod, rested the rifle down, and pulled the trigger on one of the biggest apex predators on the planet.

00:38:53.000 Everybody should have a problem with that. 0.99

00:38:54.000 It's fucking weird. 0.98

00:38:56.000 It's weird. 0.98

00:38:56.000 But now here's the contradiction. 0.98

00:38:58.000 If those animals aren't worth money for people to hunt, then what happens is, what happens in Zimbabwe, they just kill hundreds of them. 0.57

00:39:05.000 Because there's too many of them now.

00:39:07.000 Because people aren't hunting them, so they're decimating the ungulate population, so they have to curb the lions. 1.00

00:39:12.000 So instead of getting $50,000 or $100,000 a lion from a hunter, which goes to the villagers, goes to conservation, goes to hire professional hunters, now they get nothing.

00:39:22.000 And they have to pay someone to go and shoot these lions. 0.79

00:39:24.000 And they shoot all of them. 1.00

00:39:25.000 They shoot all of them. 1.00

00:39:26.000 They shoot all of them. 1.00

00:39:26.000 And you're like, well, this sucks. 1.00

00:39:29.000 This is not good. 0.97

00:39:30.000 None of this is good.

00:39:31.000 This ain't good both ways. 0.94

00:39:32.000 It's not good to look at that fat guy standing over a lion.

00:39:34.000 And it's not good to look at these, you know, these government people shooting 200 lions and just dumping them into a hole somewhere.

00:39:40.000 The whole thing's a mess.

00:39:42.000 That's Africa. 0.99

00:39:43.000 Here, you know, we try to do the right thing.

00:39:46.000 Or, you know, if you're going to get a...

00:39:49.000 If you're going to get a bear tag from Colorado, or you're going to bear tag from New Mexico, for that tag to be issued, they measure the amount of food that's in each district, and then they're going to issue six tags, because there's enough food to, there's 12 bears there,

00:40:05.000 but there's only enough food to feed six of them.

00:40:07.000 So they're going to issue six tags.

00:40:09.000 That, or, all 12 of them might starve to death.

00:40:12.000 Or the majority of them.

00:40:14.000 So they're going to issue, and you can go and buy your six tags.

00:40:17.000 That leaves six animals in that area, in that region that you're able to hunt.

00:40:21.000 You're paying for that tag a lot of money sometimes.

00:40:23.000 If you're out of state, you're paying a few hundred dollars, five, six, seven hundred dollars.

00:40:28.000 Flights, hotels, it's for a bear.

00:40:30.000 It adds up.

00:40:31.000 It adds up.

00:40:32.000 It adds up.

00:40:33.000 But, you know, I understand the mindset of people that don't want any of this to happen.

00:40:38.000 I do understand it.

00:40:39.000 But I do think that they don't understand nature.

00:40:42.000 I really don't think they understand that this is the best death these animals will ever experience.

00:40:47.000 And they're not going to live forever in the wild.

00:40:49.000 In the wild, they're going to be torn apart by something bigger than them.

00:40:52.000 That's just how it goes.

00:40:53.000 100% of the time.

00:40:55.000 Or they freeze to death or they starve to death.

00:40:57.000 Or they're starving, they walk down on the road to try to find some food in the town, they get hit by a semi-truck.

00:41:02.000 Yeah, that happens too. 0.74

00:41:03.000 That sucks. 1.00

00:41:03.000 Yeah, and I have a buddy who lives in Iowa, and when you drive in his neighborhood at night, you better go 35 miles an hour, because those fuckers are just darting out in front of the street left and right. 1.00

00:41:11.000 They're everywhere. 0.99

00:41:12.000 Yeah.

00:41:13.000 And, you know, what's the solution?

00:41:15.000 Don't drive cars, drive your bike everywhere, man.

00:41:17.000 Yeah.

00:41:17.000 Well, okay.

00:41:18.000 Good luck with that.

00:41:19.000 I get it.

00:41:20.000 I get where those people are coming from.

00:41:22.000 They're coming from a place of compassion.

00:41:24.000 But it becomes very culty, and it becomes very team-oriented.

00:41:30.000 They're team vegan.

00:41:31.000 And there's like words.

00:41:33.000 We're circling back where, you know, when you're trying to have that middle ground, that discussion, that conversation, there's like this pre-assigned talking points.

00:41:45.000 Where everybody from every respective side makes essentially the same argument.

00:41:49.000 And you're just regurgitating what you've heard other people say.

00:41:52.000 But there's no new thought.

00:41:55.000 And there's no one taking a step to either side.

00:41:58.000 Like, okay, maybe there's something I'm not seeing here.

00:42:01.000 Let me look at it from this perspective.

00:42:02.000 Or vice versa. 1.00

00:42:03.000 Where this side, the hunter's like, no, no, you stupid snowflake. 1.00

00:42:07.000 Go get your Starbucks latte with your soy milk. 1.00

00:42:11.000 But they're never looking at it from anything new.

00:42:15.000 They're just regurgitating their talking points.

00:42:17.000 Like when you said gun control and people freaked out.

00:42:20.000 Freaked out because I didn't stay to the script.

00:42:22.000 And there's a script.

00:42:23.000 I mean, if you pull up any of my social, you will see that, oh, what you should have said was, or, hey, you know, shall not be infringed upon.

00:42:33.000 Yeah, man, I got it.

00:42:34.000 Yeah.

00:42:34.000 Shall not be infringed upon it.

00:42:36.000 Believe it to death.

00:42:36.000 Have you fought for it?

00:42:37.000 Have you bled for it?

00:42:38.000 You've been blown up for it?

00:42:39.000 You've been shot?

00:42:39.000 I have.

00:42:40.000 I really believe in this shit. 1.00

00:42:42.000 But I didn't stay to the script, and then I get murdered by both sides. 1.00

00:42:48.000 So then how do we...

00:42:50.000 I mean, you do a pretty good job.

00:42:52.000 So teach me, Joe.

00:42:53.000 How do you bring people in to have a talk?

00:42:57.000 There's gotta be a lot of people that disagree with you and say I do a terrible job, that I repeat the same things over and over again, and I agree with them for a certain amount of the conversations, like this one.

00:43:07.000 I mean, I've had this conversation about conservation and animals a hundred times, but I think it's worth having a hundred more.

00:43:13.000 Because I think it's important that if someone is listening to this podcast and they didn't understand how it all works and they didn't understand that people who hunt and eat meat, they aren't monsters.

00:43:21.000 They're not evil people.

00:43:22.000 Just like people who eat grain aren't monsters because you callously disregard the lives of mice and rats and All the things that get ground up in combines and bunnies.

00:43:32.000 Like, if you buy grain, large-scale agriculture is bad, period.

00:43:37.000 It's bad in terms of factory farming, but it's also bad in terms of growing food.

00:43:41.000 If you grow a thousand acres of corn, you are absolutely displacing wildlife, and when that stuff gets harvest, you see vultures fly over those fields, and there's a reason.

00:43:53.000 It's because there's a bunch of dead things.

00:43:55.000 In fact, More dead lives occur in a pound of grain than occur in a pound of beef.

00:44:05.000 Because if you think that a cow is more valuable than a bunny because it's larger, you've got some weird life thing going on in your own head.

00:44:16.000 You tell me how to balance the soul's worth on body weight.

00:44:20.000 Exactly.

00:44:20.000 And how do you feel about insects?

00:44:22.000 Because they are a large scale poisoning those fucking insects and you know it. 1.00

00:44:26.000 Everybody knows it. 1.00

00:44:27.000 And they're grinding those fuckers up with earthworms and mice and gophers and chipmunks and anything else that gets stuck in those wheels. 1.00

00:44:35.000 That is just how large-scale agriculture works. 0.98

00:44:39.000 So unless you have some isolated farm where everything's fenced in, and you only have a certain amount of acreage, and that farm feeds you, well, you are karma-free.

00:44:47.000 And congratulations to you.

00:44:49.000 You figured out how to do it.

00:44:50.000 But most of us who buy pasta, if you go and buy bread in the store, you're paying someone who's killed a large amount of living things in order to harvest that grain.

00:45:01.000 That's just a fact.

00:45:02.000 Yeah.

00:45:02.000 It's just a fact.

00:45:04.000 And it's an inconvenient fact that they like to look at with blinders on because they, you know, like, I'm hashtag cruelty free. 0.99

00:45:12.000 Not to that fucking bunny rabbit that's a part of your tofu. 0.99

00:45:16.000 Because this is what's really going on. 0.99

00:45:18.000 I mean, a good part of the vitamin B that a lot of vegans get is from ground up bugs.

00:45:24.000 That's ground up into their grain and ground up into their vegetables.

00:45:28.000 I mean, this is just, you can't get around that.

00:45:33.000 I mean, not if you are being real.

00:45:38.000 No, if you're being real.

00:45:39.000 Maybe that's the problem in the first place is nobody is going to have the courage to come into that middle ground and let go of all of their baggage and all of their... 1.00

00:45:51.000 Bullshit. 1.00

00:45:52.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:45:52.000 And if you're cool with eating bugs, you should eat crickets. 1.00

00:45:56.000 Get cricket meal.

00:45:57.000 Eat cricket protein. 1.00

00:45:58.000 It's fucking good for you. 0.99

00:45:59.000 If you don't want to eat animals, you're like, I'm just not into anything that's warm. 0.99

00:46:02.000 Okay.

00:46:03.000 I have a friend who only eats fish.

00:46:05.000 And I go, why?

00:46:06.000 He goes, fish don't even take care of their babies.

00:46:08.000 I was like, ooh, good point.

00:46:10.000 That is a good point. 1.00

00:46:11.000 Fuck those fish. 1.00

00:46:12.000 Fish are yummy, too. 1.00

00:46:12.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:46:13.000 He's like, I don't want to kill a mammal.

00:46:15.000 He goes, I don't want to eat a mammal.

00:46:16.000 He's like, mammals take care of their babies.

00:46:17.000 Their babies milk from their udders.

00:46:20.000 I'm like, okay, I get it.

00:46:21.000 My wife was a pescatarian for a while.

00:46:24.000 That didn't last.

00:46:27.000 Just not the best source of nutrients.

00:46:30.000 Well, it was when she's pregnant and the doctor's like, alright, so you're 90 pounds and I need you to put on like 20 more pounds really fast and you're not going to do it eating halibut.

00:46:44.000 And her iron was low.

00:46:46.000 Yeah, iron, B12, I mean, all the fat-soluble vitamins that are very difficult to get from plants.

00:46:52.000 This is a great chair.

00:46:52.000 They're very good.

00:46:53.000 Yeah.

00:46:54.000 Yeah.

00:46:54.000 It's a company called, well, they changed their name.

00:46:56.000 They used to be called, what do they call it?

00:46:58.000 Ergo Depot, now they're called Fully.

00:47:00.000 And this is called the Capisco.

00:47:02.000 It's the best ergonomic chair. 0.98

00:47:04.000 I fucking love these things. 0.98

00:47:05.000 I sit in these things hours a day. 0.99

00:47:07.000 My back never bothers me.

00:47:09.000 I really can't sit for very long periods of time.

00:47:12.000 My desk at home, my reloading station, it's all standing height.

00:47:16.000 Oh, you're one of those standing desk guys?

00:47:18.000 Yeah.

00:47:18.000 I'll even take a medicine ball, like the balance balls, and I'll get on my knees on it, and I'll just balance.

00:47:25.000 Oh, that's a good move.

00:47:26.000 Yeah, it feels good, but it is tight, tight.

00:47:27.000 And you're kind of keeping your core strong, flowing away.

00:47:30.000 It's less of the core and it's more...

00:47:32.000 I have like a seven-year-old brain, you know, that if I'm not doing a lot of things at once, I just get distracted.

00:47:41.000 So I just do lots of things at once.

00:47:43.000 Like having to balance on a ball so I don't smash my face into the desk and knock myself out while I'm reloading ammunition and playing with explosives.

00:47:49.000 Like that is a perfect recipe for me to be successful at reloading bullets.

00:47:54.000 You reload explosives as well as bullets?

00:47:56.000 No, no.

00:47:57.000 Oh, and gunpowder is an explosive.

00:47:59.000 Oh, right, right, right, right. 0.99

00:47:59.000 I thought you meant, like, grenades and shit, too. 0.99

00:48:01.000 No. 0.99

00:48:01.000 I will take... 0.99

00:48:02.000 Like, if we are going to go do...

00:48:05.000 So, tomorrow, I'm playing with the Dutch Special Forces at Revely Peak Ranch in Austin, Texas.

00:48:11.000 And...

00:48:13.000 We are going to set up a bunch of booby traps for them when they come in to do their final culmination hit, the full mission profile.

00:48:21.000 So they're going to spend all day planning and they're going to figure out how they're going to walk through the woods and not get caught.

00:48:26.000 And I'm essentially the terrorists that they're going to try and come kill.

00:48:30.000 But I'm a really good terrorist. 0.80

00:48:32.000 So...

00:48:32.000 So how do you guys keep from actually killing each other when you're doing this?

00:48:36.000 They're using simunitions.

00:48:38.000 So they use a real guns with different bolts that shoot like paintballs.

00:48:46.000 How many feet per second are these paintballs flying?

00:48:49.000 800. Oh, okay.

00:48:51.000 Stangs like a motherfucker. 1.00

00:48:53.000 I'm still wearing hockey glasses. 1.00

00:48:56.000 Or snowboard glasses.

00:48:58.000 You ever catch one in the mouth?

00:48:59.000 Yeah.

00:49:00.000 I have a friend that has a tattoo on his lip.

00:49:03.000 From the paint?

00:49:03.000 From the paint.

00:49:04.000 Oh, wonderful.

00:49:05.000 It's all the way into the flesh.

00:49:07.000 It won't come out.

00:49:08.000 There's a chunk of pink in his lip forever.

00:49:10.000 I offered to cut it out.

00:49:11.000 He said no.

00:49:13.000 I don't know.

00:49:15.000 Boring.

00:49:17.000 I'm really good with a knife.

00:49:18.000 I bet you are.

00:49:19.000 Yeah.

00:49:19.000 Dan, if you're listening right now, let me cut that out of your face.

00:49:22.000 Maybe he likes it.

00:49:22.000 Makes him unique.

00:49:23.000 Yeah.

00:49:24.000 Oh, he's unique.

00:49:25.000 What is Finding Hitler all about? 0.78

00:49:29.000 This is a show that you're on, and it's on A&E? Is that what it's on?

00:49:32.000 Yeah, A&E is the parent network.

00:49:33.000 It airs on History Channel.

00:49:35.000 And we just had our third season that just finished airing.

00:49:40.000 What's the thought process behind this?

00:49:42.000 Is it legit?

00:49:43.000 Because a lot of people are like, finding Hitler. 0.98

00:49:45.000 Get the fuck out of here. 0.99

00:49:46.000 They found Hitler. 1.00

00:49:47.000 He died.

00:49:48.000 Yeah, I mean...

00:49:49.000 Not really?

00:49:49.000 We don't know.

00:49:50.000 Right.

00:49:51.000 That's the...

00:49:51.000 I mean, this isn't like ancient aliens.

00:49:53.000 This is...

00:49:54.000 We...

00:49:55.000 They declassified a bunch of documents.

00:49:57.000 They...

00:49:58.000 Both the Israelis, the British, and the Germans and Americans in the past 20 years have been consistently declassifying documents.

00:50:06.000 And there were a bunch of specifically FBI documents that we were spending millions and millions of dollars actively searching for Hitler after the war.

00:50:15.000 Really?

00:50:16.000 Yeah.

00:50:17.000 Like millions of dollars.

00:50:19.000 Hoover was like, no, no, no.

00:50:20.000 Send more FBI agents to South America, to North Africa, go to the Canary Islands, go to Spain, trying to find out where this guy went.

00:50:31.000 Yeah.

00:50:32.000 Tons of real FBI documents with real leads, with real informants, some first eye accounts saying that they... 0.99

00:50:43.000 So anyways, that's the show, is us trying to find out, sift through reality and the fiction of the allure, the mystery of that asshole. 0.97

00:50:56.000 So what's the official story? 0.99

00:50:57.000 The official story is that he killed himself, right?

00:51:00.000 Yep.

00:51:00.000 He killed himself in the bunker with Ava Braun.

00:51:03.000 Yep.

00:51:04.000 And is there any photographic evidence of his death or anything?

00:51:08.000 So what...

00:51:09.000 The Russians got the body and they got his skull. 0.96

00:51:13.000 And when they brought it back to Moscow, nobody has ever been able to independently verify who and what this body is.

00:51:23.000 They let one genetic test occur and the body with the bullet holes that they said was Hitler.

00:51:30.000 And have said, and that's the narrative, that's the story, that's all the eyewitness accounts that are even in the vicinity of collaborating with each other and corroborating each other's testimony.

00:51:41.000 Like, the closest version, because none of it seems to be very accurate, is that, okay, here's Hitler's skull, and when they did the genetic testing, it's that of a 35-year-old woman.

00:51:52.000 So, like, oh, well, this isn't Hitler, but they've said for the past...

00:51:57.000 80 years that this is Hitler. 0.63

00:52:00.000 So, okay.

00:52:03.000 First, before we start throwing stones at Russia, let's go back to 1945, April, in Berlin.

00:52:10.000 You have the Allies coming in, wrecking shop, dropping bombs, blowing everything up they can in every single which way. 0.96

00:52:16.000 You have the Russians coming in from the opposite direction. 1.00

00:52:18.000 They don't even have enough guns to arm all their soldiers.

00:52:21.000 So if they have 200 guys, or 200,000 guys, they have 100,000 guns.

00:52:24.000 If the guy in front of you dies, you just pick up his gun.

00:52:27.000 That's what's happening in April of 1945 in Berlin.

00:52:31.000 So the noose is tightening.

00:52:33.000 There is no—I mean, it is chaos, anarchy, pandemonium.

00:52:38.000 This—I mean, you couldn't—this is hell on Earth, is Berlin, 1945. So I don't know if you could get a real story, a real— The way that we do it now, where we have these forensic experts that come in and document everything,

00:52:55.000 and we look at all the different testimonies and say, this is exactly how...

00:52:58.000 It's not CSI. This is 1945 Berlin.

00:53:03.000 It's crazy.

00:53:04.000 So, I don't know.

00:53:05.000 So, there's no absolute proof.

00:53:10.000 No.

00:53:11.000 And a lot of Nazis did escape and go to South America.

00:53:15.000 The majority of anyone with power.

00:53:17.000 The Nuremberg trials were not a winch hunt, but it was to close a chapter so we could start moving forward with communism.

00:53:25.000 That's what it was.

00:53:28.000 The threat of fascism, the threat of Hitler, the threat of killing all the Jews, the threat of world domination by the Nazis, that threat's gone.

00:53:37.000 What's the next threat? 0.83

00:53:39.000 Communism.

00:53:39.000 It's communism.

00:53:40.000 Right.

00:53:46.000 And our efforts to what inevitably was going to...

00:53:48.000 I mean, the wall goes up.

00:53:50.000 We have East and West Berlin. 0.60

00:53:51.000 You know, we're already looking at Korea.

00:53:53.000 I mean, this happens almost overnight.

00:53:55.000 Right, very quickly.

00:53:56.000 You know, when Patton's like, no, no, homies, we need to go all the way to Moscow. 0.87

00:53:59.000 This is not the end of our war.

00:54:01.000 And we didn't listen to him.

00:54:03.000 We then have been, you know, fighting communism for the past 75 years.

00:54:08.000 So the ones with power that went to South America, I know a bunch of them went to Argentina, but they think they went to Honduras and a few other places.

00:54:18.000 Where do they think they wound up?

00:54:21.000 So what you had in South America, both Chile and Argentina back-to-back had fascist regimes.

00:54:27.000 You had Peron, who was part of the Nazi party starting all the way back into the mid-30s.

00:54:33.000 He's the president of Argentina.

00:54:34.000 Wow.

00:54:35.000 So the Red Cross, there was about three different rat lines that guys were able to successfully get out of Europe into South America.

00:54:47.000 And there's no question that we're talking thousands, if not tens of thousands of high-ranking Nazis made it there.

00:54:54.000 Tens of thousands.

00:54:56.000 And I'm not talking like little soldiers.

00:54:58.000 I'm talking high-ranking Nazis, officers, guys like Joseph Mengele and Adolf Eichmann. 0.99

00:55:04.000 I mean, these are the most disgusting, despicable humans to exist at the time. 0.97

00:55:08.000 If Hitler is dead, Joseph Mengele is the guy that would take... 1.00

00:55:13.000 Syringes full of blue ink and inject them.

00:55:15.000 Oh, you have blue eyes, Joe.

00:55:17.000 Or you have brown eyes.

00:55:18.000 Let me see if I can make them blue.

00:55:19.000 Oh, wow.

00:55:20.000 And then take twins and start torturing them to see if one would feel the pain.

00:55:23.000 That's Joseph Mengele.

00:55:24.000 I mean, that's the guy that then in South America was helping high-ranking Argentinians have abortions.

00:55:32.000 And he set up...

00:55:33.000 Have you seen the movie Colonia?

00:55:35.000 No.

00:55:35.000 About Colonia Dignidad?

00:55:37.000 Which is...

00:55:39.000 If you're listening right now, I must warn you not to Google it because it was a torture camp that was started by Joseph Schaefer, a Nazi.

00:55:48.000 And Joseph Mengele, the doctor of death that escaped trial in Nuremberg and made it on the behest of Peron into Argentina, he set up the hospital at Colonia Dignidad, which was another safe haven for more Nazis in South America. 0.86

00:56:08.000 Golda Meir and Ben-Gurion, the presidents of Israel, they took the gloves off, and they were just sending assassins to try to find these people and kill them.

00:56:18.000 But what you got in South America were isolated, German-only communities.

00:56:24.000 You could go into Bariloche, Argentina, and I'd be like, Buenos dias, amigos, and they're like...

00:56:30.000 Guten Morgen?

00:56:31.000 I'm like, oh.

00:56:32.000 Yeah, I meant good morning.

00:56:34.000 Yeah, sorry.

00:56:34.000 It's 2017, right?

00:56:37.000 I thought we spoke Spanish here.

00:56:38.000 So, in 2017, you were there and they were speaking German.

00:56:42.000 Yeah.

00:56:42.000 Whoa.

00:56:43.000 Yeah.

00:56:44.000 Well, I don't look very...

00:56:45.000 I might look more European than I do.

00:56:48.000 So, it's just them seeing me walking down the street and be like...

00:56:52.000 Wow!

00:56:52.000 Yeah.

00:56:53.000 And there's tons of communities.

00:56:54.000 I mean, if you go to Colonia Dignidad, which is now called Via Bavaria, the Bavarian village, it is only German.

00:57:03.000 Whoa! 0.71

00:57:03.000 In the center of Chile, in the mountains of Chile. 0.71

00:57:06.000 Like, there's no Spanish being spoken there.

00:57:10.000 It is exclusively German.

00:57:12.000 And these are descendants of Nazis? 0.60

00:57:14.000 Powerful Nazis. 1.00

00:57:16.000 Holy shit! 1.00

00:57:17.000 And this is going on right now? 1.00

00:57:19.000 Yeah.

00:57:20.000 What are these communities like?

00:57:22.000 I mean, what's their ideology?

00:57:23.000 Are they...

00:57:24.000 I mean, they're pretty white.

00:57:26.000 Yeah, but are they like...

00:57:27.000 I mean, are they...

00:57:29.000 Do they espouse Nazi values?

00:57:32.000 Not openly.

00:57:33.000 So, Colonia Dignidad.

00:57:35.000 Uh...

00:57:37.000 If you look at the second generation, there's a bunch of... 0.99

00:57:40.000 So, it was a huge problem for Chile that they tried to hide for years.

00:57:46.000 And they got so much power from the torturing that they did at Colonia Dignidad on a whole bunch of other high-ranking South American dictators that they are almost untouchable.

00:57:58.000 And this is...

00:57:59.000 I mean, you'd blow your mind if you look into this, Joe.

00:58:02.000 You'd love it.

00:58:03.000 But...

00:58:05.000 The second generation, the kids, like the grandkids, sometimes they're even more fanatical than the original generation.

00:58:11.000 Have you ever seen this?

00:58:13.000 Where, like, if somebody's away from...

00:58:15.000 Like, when you travel abroad, man, it's so cool to, like, to get into the culture and get into the food and get into the...

00:58:20.000 Like, you're dancing this style and you love the flag and you're like, oh, I'm gonna go to a soccer game because we don't go to soccer games in America and then I'm gonna go...

00:58:26.000 But then maybe after, like, two months, you kind of miss home.

00:58:30.000 You know, and then, like...

00:58:32.000 A year, you really miss home.

00:58:35.000 And then 10 years, you really, really miss home.

00:58:40.000 And you see the same thing in the United States where it's not really a perfect assimilation.

00:58:44.000 It's not the melting pot where you see generations that are espousing to be more like their ethnic heritage than they are American.

00:58:51.000 You know, they're flying the Irish flag and like, I'm Irish.

00:58:55.000 Well, it's just times a thousand with these communities because they're exclusively German.

00:59:02.000 Whoa.

00:59:02.000 Yeah.

00:59:03.000 It's pretty cool.

00:59:04.000 Kind of weird.

00:59:04.000 So, exclusively German, really missing home.

00:59:08.000 Yeah.

00:59:09.000 Yeah.

00:59:10.000 70 years later.

00:59:12.000 The second generations I was talking about, some of them came to the United States and were high-ranking white supremacists that are now in jail, in prison, for their racial crimes.

00:59:26.000 And they came out of South America.

00:59:28.000 They came out of Colonia Dignidad.

00:59:30.000 They came out of Baraloche.

00:59:31.000 They came out of Cordoba.

00:59:33.000 They came out of Missiones.

00:59:34.000 They came out of... 0.86

00:59:38.000 Crazy. 0.95

00:59:38.000 So that's the show, Hunting Hitler. 0.95

00:59:40.000 Fucking A, man. 0.99

00:59:41.000 It's a trip. 0.99

00:59:41.000 How many people are we talking about all told in South America that come out of this, I mean, tens of thousands went there, but how many German communities and how big are they? 0.99

00:59:51.000 Maybe out of 50 German communities.

00:59:55.000 50?

00:59:56.000 How many people, if you had to guess?

00:59:59.000 A few hundred thousand. 1.00

01:00:00.000 Holy shit! 1.00

01:00:01.000 A few hundred thousand descendants of Nazis. 1.00

01:00:06.000 Wow!

01:00:07.000 Yeah, and man, it's weird when you walk into somebody's parlor and it's like you're stepping back in time into Europe.

01:00:16.000 Like I'm walking in, it's 2017 and I'm walking in Buenos Aires, Argentina into somebody's parlor and all of the tile is European and all the style and all the art is Is very German.

01:00:29.000 You know, we have like deers and not like red stags. 0.96

01:00:34.000 We're talking German everything.

01:00:37.000 Things that Hitler loved. 0.99

01:00:40.000 And that's the style and that's everything.

01:00:42.000 And then they come out and like with white gloves, they're holding their grandfather's memory box.

01:00:48.000 And inside of it are his war medals from, you know, when he was in the SS or when he was...

01:00:55.000 And it is the respect, the...

01:01:00.000 I don't even know the right...

01:01:02.000 Reverence?

01:01:02.000 Yeah, I mean, it's like this is a gift from the Pope that they're holding in their hands.

01:01:07.000 White gloves.

01:01:08.000 No, I can't.

01:01:09.000 First of all, Tim can't touch it.

01:01:11.000 But I can appreciate it.

01:01:12.000 And then they tell me the story of every single one of these things and how he got there and how he then went and worked for the Buenos Aires News.

01:01:19.000 You can't touch anything.

01:01:20.000 No, because I can... 1.00

01:01:21.000 You're dirty. 1.00

01:01:22.000 I'm dirty. 1.00

01:01:23.000 Dirty American. 1.00

01:01:23.000 Look at this. 1.00

01:01:25.000 You're too brown. 1.00

01:01:25.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:01:27.000 Fuck, man. 1.00

01:01:28.000 So we followed... 1.00

01:01:29.000 The first two seasons, it was really just unraveling the rumors of what happened to Hitler.

01:01:35.000 The third season was my favorite because I actually got to do real work.

01:01:39.000 They said, okay...

01:01:41.000 I got to the second season.

01:01:42.000 I got to bring in more special forces guys.

01:01:44.000 A CIA targeter, Nadia, who helped my unit kill Zarqawi in 2006. This is the team that is now looking at real evidence, trying to figure out, okay, how did we find bin Laden?

01:02:00.000 How did we find Zarkawi?

01:02:02.000 We looked at their associates and we looked at how they moved.

01:02:05.000 We looked at how they communicated.

01:02:06.000 We looked at what routes they were using to get to and from places.

01:02:09.000 And then we just started tightening the noose.

01:02:10.000 And that's exactly what we did in this third season.

01:02:13.000 Was, okay, let's start following the Adolf Eichmanns. 0.62

01:02:16.000 Let's start following the Joseph Mengele's.

01:02:18.000 And let's start following the Skorzynski's.

01:02:22.000 Hitler's personal bodyguard that was a colonel in the SS that went on to work for everybody after the war fighting... 0.62

01:02:30.000 I mean, fascists do not like communists.

01:02:33.000 So this guy was working for everybody to include the CIA fighting fascism in South America, or fighting communism as a fascist in South America in the 50s, 60s, and 70s.

01:02:45.000 Whoa.

01:02:46.000 Creepy stuff.

01:02:47.000 Whoa.

01:02:48.000 Yeah.

01:02:49.000 So...

01:02:50.000 So, are there any legitimate eyewitness accounts of Hitler in South America?

01:02:58.000 Or potentially legitimate?

01:03:00.000 Absolutely, potentially.

01:03:02.000 Whoa.

01:03:03.000 Yep.

01:03:04.000 Eyewitness accounts, I saw him get off a boat, I saw him meet here, and if it was just some person saying it, It's almost meaningless.

01:03:14.000 But if you look at the context of who this person is, the wealth that they have, that they shouldn't have, can you explain how you got so rich in two generations?

01:03:24.000 You know, like, okay, your grandpa got here from Germany in 1946. That's weird.

01:03:32.000 And he's on a legitimate visa with an Argentinian passport.

01:03:37.000 Also weird.

01:03:38.000 And now he's a war refugee that's now worth millions of dollars.

01:03:43.000 How does this work?

01:03:47.000 So...

01:03:49.000 But people, and then this is the hard part, people want to be connected to significant events.

01:03:55.000 And especially in small, rural areas of the world.

01:04:00.000 Developing areas.

01:04:01.000 Like, they want, there's so little happening, they want to be attached to something massive.

01:04:06.000 And like, the fact that they saw a U-boat.

01:04:09.000 Land on this beach and the hatch opened and these cars were sitting there and they were doing Morse code and this guy gets off and he had this little mustache.

01:04:19.000 You're like, you boats can't beach.

01:04:23.000 That's not how that works.

01:04:26.000 But you know what they're trying to do.

01:04:29.000 They just want to be connected.

01:04:31.000 And now we're removed 70 to 80 years from the fax.

01:04:34.000 It has been painful to try to use...

01:04:38.000 Real science, real investigative tools to try to sift through this lore, you know?

01:04:47.000 What do you think happened?

01:04:48.000 I mean, you've been studying this for how long now?

01:04:51.000 Three years.

01:04:52.000 Three years.

01:04:53.000 If you had a guess, if you had like a million bucks, you got to put it on one side or another.

01:04:57.000 Did he go there?

01:04:59.000 Yeah.

01:05:00.000 Whoa.

01:05:01.000 Jesus Christ.

01:05:02.000 I would say, man, that's the first time I've ever said it flat out like that.

01:05:07.000 What I want to say is, the way history is written is wrong.

01:05:12.000 That's clear.

01:05:13.000 There's no way that we can say, he died on this day, this is what happened, here is his body.

01:05:19.000 So the physical proof is for sure the woman that had, that they were saying was Hitler, is definitely not Hitler.

01:05:26.000 That's a fact.

01:05:27.000 So they don't have Hitler's body.

01:05:29.000 So then our other option was, okay, is it Ava Brahms?

01:05:31.000 Did they just grab the wrong body, right?

01:05:33.000 So there are still descendants of Ava, and we tried to have them allow us to do it.

01:05:41.000 Then we tried to go through like...

01:05:43.000 And they can get DNA off of the skull?

01:05:46.000 Yeah.

01:05:46.000 There's meat on it?

01:05:47.000 No, it's like a tooth.

01:05:49.000 Yeah.

01:05:49.000 Okay.

01:05:51.000 But they wouldn't consent to it.

01:05:53.000 So then we tried to do, you know, like where people have like the tree, their ethnic tree.

01:06:00.000 What is those websites called?

01:06:02.000 23andMe?

01:06:02.000 Yeah.

01:06:03.000 There's like a bunch of them.

01:06:04.000 We try to go that route.

01:06:08.000 They wouldn't consent to it.

01:06:09.000 Nope.

01:06:10.000 The Ava Braun's family.

01:06:11.000 They just want it gone.

01:06:13.000 They just don't want it.

01:06:14.000 Yeah.

01:06:15.000 They're super pissed that we even found them.

01:06:17.000 I'm sure.

01:06:17.000 Which was hard.

01:06:18.000 Which was really hard.

01:06:19.000 Just hold them down, get them to spit in a bucket. 1.00

01:06:22.000 I know! 0.99

01:06:28.000 Or pull their trash and pull stuff out of there.

01:06:30.000 No, I would totally not do that.

01:06:32.000 Definitely not do that.

01:06:34.000 I mean, that's how they caught the Golden State Killer, right?

01:06:38.000 It was off a cigarette butt.

01:06:40.000 They got DNA off a cigarette butt.

01:06:42.000 So history's wrong.

01:06:44.000 For it to be black and white like that.

01:06:47.000 And again, if you go back to 1945, we needed scientists.

01:06:53.000 We needed every single German electrical engineer, mechanical engineer, aerospace, anything.

01:07:00.000 You're on the V2 program.

01:07:02.000 We want all of you because now it's a race.

01:07:05.000 It's a race.

01:07:06.000 We have the bomb.

01:07:07.000 Now we need delivery systems.

01:07:09.000 Now we need to get to the moon.

01:07:10.000 Now we need to, you know, like all of those things are real time.

01:07:14.000 It's a war, a war of dollars and a war of science.

01:07:18.000 And we got all those scientists.

01:07:20.000 Yeah.

01:07:21.000 The Russians didn't. 0.97

01:07:22.000 Well, they got some.

01:07:23.000 Some.

01:07:24.000 Not very many.

01:07:25.000 Operation Paperclip was what brought over Werner Von Braun, who was...

01:07:30.000 When you talk to Jews that were in Berlin during the time that Werner Von Braun was running his rocket program there, he would hang the five slowest Jews in front of the rocket factory in Berlin just to give everybody motivation to work harder. 0.99

01:07:45.000 Yeah.

01:07:46.000 The Simon Wiesenthal Center said that if Wernher von Braun was alive today, they would prosecute him for crimes against humanity.

01:07:51.000 He was a Nazi. 0.89

01:07:53.000 Straight up Nazi.

01:07:54.000 And people, there's apologists that say, no, no, no.

01:07:56.000 He was a scientist.

01:07:57.000 He was forced into doing that.

01:07:58.000 That's like, okay. 0.99

01:08:00.000 He's a Nazi. 0.78

01:08:01.000 There's photographs of him wearing Nazi garb, hanging out with Nazis. 0.99

01:08:05.000 His rocket factory killed Jews. 0.97

01:08:08.000 These are all undeniable facts.

01:08:11.000 Except the war ends and they're not Nazis anymore.

01:08:13.000 That's not how that works.

01:08:14.000 Exactly.

01:08:14.000 But they were forgiven because they came over and contributed to our rocket program.

01:08:18.000 I'm not that good of a human.

01:08:20.000 I don't have that in me.

01:08:21.000 I don't have that like, okay, you're forgiven.

01:08:23.000 It's slippery, man, because they wanted to beat the Russians, and they knew the Russians got a bunch of them, too. 0.91

01:08:27.000 Yeah.

01:08:28.000 You know, the Russians got a bunch of them for their rocket program.

01:08:30.000 Hell, the Egyptians did. 1.00

01:08:31.000 Yeah. 0.88

01:08:32.000 The Egyptians were trying to create a delivery system to drop bombs into Israel. 0.98

01:08:36.000 And then Ben-Gurion started having these Nazi scientists try to have them assassinated.

01:08:41.000 They were mailing...

01:08:42.000 The Mossad was...

01:08:43.000 Are you familiar with this?

01:08:44.000 No.

01:08:44.000 The Mossad was mailing package bombs into Egypt and throughout Europe trying to kill these German scientists.

01:08:50.000 And they were all German Nazi... 0.89

01:08:55.000 Rocket guys that were working for Egypt and Egypt wanted to go blow up Israel. 0.84

01:09:00.000 This is into the 60s. 0.54

01:09:01.000 So they're still trying to find ways to kill the Jews and they're like, oh yeah, we'll go work for you, Egypt. 0.97

01:09:06.000 You know, so it's... 0.99

01:09:07.000 You know what's crazy is how fucking technologically advanced the Germans were. 1.00

01:09:11.000 So far ahead of us. 0.96

01:09:12.000 It's so amazing.

01:09:13.000 And to this day, you drive a BMW and you go, whoa. 1.00

01:09:17.000 You motherfuckers are on point. 1.00

01:09:19.000 I'm driving a Chevy Malibu right now and I'm like, ew. 1.00

01:09:23.000 Ew.

01:09:23.000 Eh, drive a Corvette.

01:09:25.000 Get a new Corvette. 0.96

01:09:26.000 They're pretty fucking badass. 0.95

01:09:27.000 It's all in what you buy. 0.98

01:09:28.000 But I mean, there's German engineering in the 80s is fucking phenomenal.

01:09:33.000 I mean, if you drove a German car from the 1980s and an American car from the 80s, it's like there's no comparison. 0.99

01:09:39.000 I have a 1991 Porsche, and it's a fucking piece of engineering, man. 0.97

01:09:45.000 It's a marvel of engineering. 0.97

01:09:47.000 I mean, it's not fast like a modern car, but when you compare the build quality and how they constructed it and how it was put together in comparison to... 0.95

01:09:57.000 You know, a fucking Dodge Daytona from 1990. That's a hunk of shit. 1.00

01:10:02.000 Nobody wants one of those today. 1.00

01:10:03.000 Well, unless you're going to build a VBID, then you want it.

01:10:06.000 Oh, I get it.

01:10:07.000 That's the only time if you could blow it up.

01:10:09.000 Again, it's you.

01:10:10.000 The way you think is different, you know?

01:10:11.000 13-year-old child trafficking, counterfeit money.

01:10:15.000 Yeah.

01:10:16.000 Dude, we'll be in some country, and I'll be walking by, and I'll look at a car, and I'll be like, that would make a great bomb.

01:10:24.000 Pfft.

01:10:24.000 I swear to God, that's what goes through my head.

01:10:27.000 You know?

01:10:28.000 Yeah.

01:10:29.000 Yeah, well, that's how the business works.

01:10:32.000 Yeah.

01:10:32.000 We'll grow up someday.

01:10:33.000 So when you're over there in Argentina and you're meeting with these people and you know that they're descendants of Nazis and they bring out this grandfather's chest of things and war medals and all this jazz, like,

01:10:49.000 what is this feeling like?

01:10:51.000 Do you feel like these people got away with something?

01:10:53.000 I mean, they kind of did, but these aren't the people that did it.

01:10:57.000 But they're the descendants of the people that did it, and they're still worshipping those people in some way.

01:11:01.000 Yeah, I had a lot of...

01:11:05.000 Soul searching, trying to figure out what is the appropriate thing?

01:11:11.000 What's the appropriate response?

01:11:12.000 What am I supposed to be feeling right now?

01:11:14.000 And I think I'm a pretty exposed person.

01:11:18.000 Like, I'm in tuned with what I feel.

01:11:21.000 And one of the hardest days, we're in Chile.

01:11:26.000 And I interviewed this man and this woman.

01:11:31.000 And...

01:11:35.000 One of them is a second generation.

01:11:37.000 She was born on the Colonial Dignidad, on this compound as a Nazi. 0.83

01:11:42.000 Separated from her parents.

01:11:43.000 She didn't know who her parents was.

01:11:45.000 No, I'm sorry.

01:11:45.000 I'm sorry.

01:11:45.000 She was brought there at like age three or four.

01:11:48.000 But she grew up there and they're separated from her parents.

01:11:51.000 She didn't know who her parents was.

01:11:52.000 Her husband was a Chilean boy that was local.

01:11:55.000 And he heard about this new hospital that's built by Dr. Mengele and how everybody has food there.

01:12:03.000 And he's a porch laying kid, so he was able to get onto the compound.

01:12:09.000 Well, the locals and the Germans aren't supposed to be together, so he was kind of kept separated.

01:12:16.000 Well, because he was local, they started testing him and It got really violent and disgusting by the time he's a teenager.

01:12:28.000 He's being thrown out of windows, having his bones broken, being nursed back to health, being set on fire, being nursed back to health for like 10-15 years.

01:12:38.000 He finally talks...

01:12:41.000 What will be his future wife into escaping with him. 0.99

01:12:44.000 And they sneak out in a cheese truck because one of his friends, when he was a Chilean kid, grew up to be a police officer nearby and he was able to get a letter out to them.

01:12:53.000 Be like, please come help us.

01:12:55.000 And they came in and do a health inspection and they hopped inside of this cheese truck and they got away.

01:12:59.000 So I'm talking to this guy and he's telling me...

01:13:03.000 About the things that happened to him.

01:13:04.000 And I'm not going to get into it, but they were the most horrible things that could happen to a little boy that you could imagine.

01:13:11.000 You know, beyond rape, beyond being burnt alive, beyond being broken, for years and years and years.

01:13:18.000 And I'm shaking, because I, man... 0.98

01:13:21.000 I'm in Afghanistan, and they threw some acid on some kids, and I found those guys, and I killed those guys, because that's what you do when you hurt little kids. 0.82

01:13:32.000 I got a soft spot for people that can't take care of themselves, that can protect themselves.

01:13:36.000 I think every...

01:13:37.000 Real human isn't going to let anything weaker than ever get hurt in front of them.

01:13:42.000 And so I'm shaking listening to this story, you know, and I was like, and I know I have to go back to Colonia Dignidad the next day and put on like I'm a tourist guy hosting a travel show.

01:13:53.000 And that was our disguise to get in there was like, oh, you know, this is a beautiful Bavarian village.

01:13:58.000 You can come here.

01:13:59.000 That was our little way in. 0.52

01:14:04.000 And I was just going to go in and destroy that whole entire place.

01:14:08.000 That was my plan.

01:14:09.000 And the guy's looking at me and he's like, I see your anger. 0.97

01:14:13.000 And I was like, yeah, I'm going to go hurt all of them.

01:14:15.000 He's like, no, no more pain.

01:14:18.000 And I was like, okay, what's going on?

01:14:21.000 And he looks at his wife and he goes...

01:14:24.000 She saved me.

01:14:25.000 Every time that I was burnt, every time that I was broken, it was just love.

01:14:28.000 That's how I got out.

01:14:29.000 That's why we're alive today.

01:14:30.000 And we're going to die of old age together with the woman that I fell in love with on this colony.

01:14:35.000 The only thing that matters is love. 0.99

01:14:37.000 And I was like, God damn, I like you, but I still want to go hurt all of those people. 0.99

01:14:42.000 So it was like... 0.99

01:14:44.000 So these people that were doing this to him, what was their objective?

01:14:48.000 They wanted to understand, I mean, so the same test that Joseph Mengele was doing in Germany in 1943, he's now doing in Chile in 1953. He just has a different population to test.

01:15:02.000 Jesus Christ. 1.00

01:15:19.000 It was like, yeah, I want to tear your guys' faces out and stick soldering irons in your ear because you guys are so evil. 0.99

01:15:26.000 But then I'm the same as them, so I was just real torn. 0.99

01:15:28.000 I didn't know what to do. 1.00

01:15:29.000 I just wanted to kill them all. 1.00

01:15:31.000 Well, the worst aspects of human beings is this desire to hurt people that are weaker than you and torture them. 1.00

01:15:40.000 Just coming into contact with that and then some guy who has this most beautiful response to it.

01:15:45.000 Yeah.

01:15:45.000 You know, love saved me.

01:15:47.000 I got it.

01:15:47.000 I just want to die.

01:15:48.000 Oh, fuck. 1.00

01:15:49.000 You're a better human than I am. 1.00

01:15:50.000 So I never knew how to respond to these things.

01:15:53.000 I wanted to, every time I'd see a new SS medal or I'd see, you know, like this, the cross that they won for valor.

01:16:01.000 Like, crazy.

01:16:02.000 The equivalent of Medal of Honors these guys have in their parlors. 0.86

01:16:07.000 I'm like, These were Nazis.

01:16:10.000 You realize your grandpa is like, yeah, yes, yes.

01:16:15.000 Total pride.

01:16:16.000 Swelling in their chest.

01:16:18.000 You know, I was like, I don't want to crack you in the face, dude.

01:16:20.000 So how did Mengele die?

01:16:21.000 Did he die of old age?

01:16:22.000 Of old age.

01:16:23.000 He died on a beach in Brazil.

01:16:25.000 His journal was found on the beach in Brazil. 1.00

01:16:28.000 Motherfucker. 1.00

01:16:29.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:16:29.000 Married a beautiful Brazilian girl. 1.00

01:16:32.000 Wow.

01:16:33.000 Adolf Eichmann, he got snatched by the Mossad in Argentina.

01:16:41.000 Skorzynski, he died of old age.

01:16:43.000 Actually, in the 60s, the Egyptians, when they're... 1.00

01:16:48.000 Trying to build that rocket program to annihilate Israel. 0.92

01:16:54.000 Skorzenci started working for the Mossad, but he didn't really know it, for they were paying him millions and millions of dollars to hold these parties for what he thought was the rise of the Fourth Reich.

01:17:08.000 Whoa.

01:17:08.000 Yeah, so he was bringing in like Mercedes and Krush, Krush Steel, Krushner Steel, Krush Steel, these massive billion dollar corporations for the time.

01:17:21.000 He was hosting these soirees and talking and having other high level Nazis that were still alive come in.

01:17:28.000 And he was just really being used by the Mossad to try to figure out who was facilitating this Egyptian rocket program.

01:17:35.000 So they just were putting on these parties to kind of get everybody together so they could keep tabs on everybody and figure out who's who.

01:17:41.000 That's what the Mossad was doing.

01:17:42.000 He was doing it with the intent of...

01:17:45.000 Making the Fourth Reich. 0.93

01:17:46.000 Yeah, rising the Fourth Reich.

01:17:47.000 So the Mossad did this and then what did they do once they figured out who was who?

01:17:53.000 Finally, they... 0.96

01:17:54.000 I don't like this part because I like just killing bad people. 0.99

01:17:59.000 They figured out that the big problem with... 0.95

01:18:03.000 The delivery system for the Egyptians in their missile program was the navigation system. 0.71

01:18:09.000 And they were trying to hire a whole bunch of these experts to come work for this program.

01:18:17.000 And they diplomatically kind of went behind the back and they got all of this, really the only experts in the world that prevented them from going and traveling to and work for Egypt.

01:18:29.000 So they kind of diplomatically ended the development of the delivery system for their warheads.

01:18:36.000 So that's how they handled it?

01:18:38.000 After they poisoned some people and they sent some mail bombs and they kidnapped a guy and tortured him and killed him. 1.00

01:18:46.000 Fuck. 1.00

01:18:47.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:18:48.000 Real torture, not fake torture.

01:18:50.000 It's amazing how few people know about the Nazi...

01:18:59.000 It's amazing how when this comes up, it's relatively unknown.

01:19:04.000 I mean, your show has done a lot to shed some light on it, and I've read some articles about Nazis that escaped to South America, but it's not common knowledge.

01:19:13.000 No, by design.

01:19:14.000 I mean, when you're down there, there is a...

01:19:19.000 There's a shroud of silence.

01:19:21.000 You're not supposed to talk about these things.

01:19:24.000 It takes a long time for me to get an interview with a guy.

01:19:28.000 It takes a long time for building rapport.

01:19:31.000 I mean, we're talking like...

01:19:33.000 I have some pretty high-level people working with me.

01:19:35.000 Special operations from every single branch.

01:19:38.000 To include the CIA, Army Special Forces.

01:19:41.000 And we are pulling out every trick in the book to try to get these people to talk to us.

01:19:46.000 To include bribing them.

01:19:49.000 And the...

01:19:50.000 It's hard.

01:19:53.000 So they still don't talk about it to this day.

01:19:56.000 Did you have to bring in German-speaking people?

01:19:58.000 Yeah.

01:19:58.000 A lot of time.

01:19:59.000 Wow.

01:20:03.000 I mean...

01:20:05.000 What can be done?

01:20:06.000 I mean, obviously there's not the same people, right?

01:20:08.000 There's the people that benefited from the people that went down there.

01:20:11.000 I don't know.

01:20:11.000 So you're talking about like third generation removed.

01:20:14.000 Yeah.

01:20:14.000 But what could be done?

01:20:16.000 It's kind of the damage is done, right?

01:20:19.000 Yeah.

01:20:19.000 But that's a lot of damage.

01:20:21.000 What can be done is the ideas can die. 0.98

01:20:24.000 The ideas of fascism, the ideas of racism, those things we can kill.

01:20:32.000 But are those ideas being fostered in these communities?

01:20:38.000 Yes.

01:20:39.000 They're being cultivated.

01:20:42.000 You experienced it?

01:20:44.000 Yeah.

01:20:45.000 Yeah, I mean, if I'm a white guy walking down the street, I am a higher degree than the locals.

01:20:52.000 Right.

01:20:53.000 You know, like, I can go and shop in some places that they can't.

01:20:56.000 I can go in and sit down and have a meal in some places that they can't.

01:21:00.000 I'm being greeted on the street.

01:21:01.000 I'm getting Morgan, you know?

01:21:02.000 Right.

01:21:03.000 Not the brown dude next to me. 1.00

01:21:05.000 He's not.

01:21:06.000 And his kid definitely can't date the blue-eyed, blonde girl at the high school. 0.98

01:21:12.000 Wow.

01:21:12.000 That's not allowed.

01:21:13.000 So they basically created these little colonies.

01:21:17.000 Yeah.

01:21:17.000 Nazi colonies in South America.

01:21:19.000 Yeah.

01:21:20.000 Did you Google Colonia Dignidad?

01:21:22.000 Yeah.

01:21:23.000 Did you?

01:21:23.000 You will have nightmares.

01:21:24.000 Dude, I'm freaking out right now.

01:21:25.000 It's nightmares.

01:21:26.000 It's crazy how many people got away with it, that Joseph Mengele died on a beach with a hot Brazilian wife. 0.75

01:21:32.000 I mean, that one hurts me, because he's a guy like me, just on the ops, because he's a special operations guy.

01:21:38.000 He was an SS. He was a physical specimen, especially for the time.

01:21:42.000 We didn't understand.

01:21:43.000 I mean, he was very early on into...

01:21:48.000 One of the first real Nazis. 0.79

01:21:50.000 Like, this isn't, okay, all of Germany's going this way.

01:21:53.000 The Chancellor is Adolf Hitler. 0.68

01:21:56.000 This is where we're going.

01:21:57.000 I kind of just have to go along.

01:21:59.000 And you see some of that in the 43, 44. Now it's okay.

01:22:05.000 We might be losing this war.

01:22:06.000 Now it's not so in vogue.

01:22:07.000 But when you've got guys in, like, 1939 that are talking eugenics and...

01:22:15.000 You know, higher calling for breeding and segregation early on.

01:22:22.000 You're like, eh, I don't like that guy. 0.99

01:22:24.000 I'm going to beat him to death with my hands. 0.96

01:22:27.000 But he's massive, so it would be a pretty good fight. 0.99

01:22:30.000 There we go.

01:22:32.000 Reform Nazi cult trying to... 0.80

01:22:34.000 What does it say, Jamie?

01:22:35.000 What's the full title?

01:22:36.000 Full Nazi cult. 0.79

01:22:39.000 So that's just a marketing thing.

01:22:41.000 Because it's still the same place.

01:22:43.000 Reformed Nazi cult trying to open its colony to tourism. 0.88

01:22:46.000 And where is this?

01:22:47.000 That's in Chile.

01:22:48.000 I spent a lot of time there.

01:22:51.000 Right there.

01:22:53.000 They made a movie about it.

01:22:54.000 So that's current day.

01:22:56.000 Right there.

01:22:58.000 Jesus Christ.

01:22:59.000 That's so strange.

01:23:01.000 It's freaking gorgeous, though.

01:23:03.000 I mean, it is Shangri-La.

01:23:05.000 Yeah, German flag flying.

01:23:07.000 Wow.

01:23:08.000 They've tried to hide the Nazi things they've had.

01:23:11.000 I had dinner right there.

01:23:14.000 Look at them all dressed up like Germans. 1.00

01:23:15.000 I know that guy on the left.

01:23:16.000 Do you really?

01:23:18.000 Yep.

01:23:19.000 What's up, bro?

01:23:20.000 We talked in the butchery.

01:23:22.000 There he is right now, in the jacuzzi.

01:23:24.000 Hi.

01:23:26.000 Yeah.

01:23:26.000 So I had this guy with me, Mike Simpson.

01:23:29.000 He is a...

01:23:31.000 He works with me at Sheepdog Response.

01:23:33.000 He's a doctor.

01:23:34.000 He was a ranger that became a Green Beret that then went to medical school and then came back to special operations for the rest of the war.

01:23:43.000 And he's our director of training for Sheepdog Response.

01:23:45.000 He was with me.

01:23:46.000 He and I both speak Spanish when we were down there.

01:23:48.000 But they didn't know that he was a doctor.

01:23:49.000 And they didn't know that we spoke Spanish.

01:23:51.000 And they didn't know that our translator that looked very Chilean could also speak German.

01:23:56.000 Perfect German.

01:23:57.000 She translates for Porsche. 0.99

01:23:59.000 So they thought that they could have all these little conversations with the stupid, hairy-handed Irish guy hosts from the Tourism Channel, and they could get away. 0.99

01:24:10.000 Well, we understood everything they're saying. 0.99

01:24:13.000 What were they saying?

01:24:13.000 So one of our tour guides was formerly a nurse in the hospital that they closed down, and we stole one of their little ID cards to get into that hospital, and we stole a bunch of documents of them documenting them torturing little kids.

01:24:27.000 In the hospital?

01:24:28.000 In the hospital.

01:24:29.000 None of this made the air because there's so much litigation going on where all of these victims of Colonial Dignidad are suing Villa Bavaria.

01:24:36.000 And what time period are you talking about when they're torturing kids?

01:24:39.000 Like, when was this?

01:24:40.000 60s to 90s.

01:24:45.000 And so this is essentially Nazis and the ancestors of Nazis carrying on those practices in secret. 0.61

01:24:53.000 Jesus Christ.

01:24:55.000 This isn't just people that got away with it and then their ancestors moved here and they evolved and changed.

01:25:00.000 So what do you do with that place?

01:25:01.000 You saw the pictures.

01:25:02.000 That place is worth maybe a hundred million dollars and they bought that with Nazi money. 0.76

01:25:10.000 What do you do with that?

01:25:11.000 Where does that go?

01:25:13.000 Where does that go?

01:25:14.000 I don't know.

01:25:15.000 Nazi money. 0.98

01:25:16.000 We're talking melted fillings from Jews mouths. 1.00

01:25:20.000 We're talking wedding rings off of Jews fingers. 1.00

01:25:23.000 They bought that land with that money.

01:25:28.000 And it's gorgeous.

01:25:29.000 Jesus Christ.

01:25:30.000 And they have a German colony there.

01:25:33.000 I don't know.

01:25:33.000 I don't know what the right answer is.

01:25:34.000 I mean, how does Chile feel about it?

01:25:37.000 Chile has been in a tough position because of the amount of power that they have had there. 0.92

01:25:42.000 Nobody...

01:25:43.000 So in the 60s, they were, at behest of the president, they were bringing in...

01:25:53.000 People that disagreed with the dictator, and they're torturing them, and they're getting that information and giving it back to the president.

01:26:01.000 Well, that went on for like 10 years.

01:26:03.000 So the Nazis were doing that for... 0.89

01:26:06.000 Yes.

01:26:07.000 Okay.

01:26:09.000 For, um...

01:26:10.000 Oh my god, I cannot believe I remember.

01:26:11.000 Whoever the dictator was at the time.

01:26:13.000 But I'm so embarrassed, I can't remember his name right now because it's right on the tip of my tongue.

01:26:16.000 Anyways, but that information, they also had.

01:26:19.000 So not only the information went back to the president that he could use against his rivals, but they also had it.

01:26:28.000 So, they know all the dirt about everybody. 0.92

01:26:31.000 They know who is having sex with who, who has a kid with who, who went to this prostitute place, who has a deal with the CIA, who's working with the Venezuelans, who's working with the Argentinians. 0.98

01:26:42.000 They have all that dirt because they gave it. 0.99

01:26:44.000 To the president.

01:26:45.000 They have it too.

01:26:46.000 So they had been untouchable politically for 30-40 years because they had so much power.

01:26:53.000 Because they had so much information.

01:26:55.000 Because they had so much dirt on every single high-ranking person in South America.

01:27:02.000 Jesus Christ.

01:27:03.000 That's been a trip year for me.

01:27:05.000 From that show and then straight into Hard to Kill, the show for the Discovery Channel, from then deploying to Africa.

01:27:11.000 Like, this year, I don't even know.

01:27:13.000 I can't even...

01:27:13.000 How does that all work while you're still serving?

01:27:16.000 Like, how do you get the freedom to do all these different things after you reenlisted?

01:27:20.000 So the Army will always get what the Army wants.

01:27:24.000 First of all.

01:27:25.000 But it's got to help them having you be so high profile and be such a great representative of the military.

01:27:31.000 If you're listening right now, go to your local recruiter.

01:27:34.000 That's why.

01:27:36.000 But seriously, we are having special forces specifically.

01:27:39.000 We are going to have the biggest deficit of eligible, a pool, a population to select from.

01:27:47.000 Because you have to have a certain level of intelligence, a certain level of physicality, just to be eligible for special forces to pick from you.

01:27:54.000 That pool is the smallest that has ever been in history.

01:27:58.000 Why?

01:27:59.000 Kids are playing video games.

01:28:00.000 They're not eating Cheetos.

01:28:03.000 They're less participation in sports.

01:28:06.000 I mean, if you could just go to a high school and look at a high schooler now compared to 20 years ago, it's a different thing.

01:28:12.000 Really?

01:28:13.000 Yeah, we weren't like barely...

01:28:16.000 Getting kids past obesity 20 years ago.

01:28:19.000 Now, in a high school, if you walk into a classroom, half the kids are obese.

01:28:24.000 So you think this is just because they're sedentary? 0.99

01:28:27.000 Because they're playing video games and fucking around online all day? 0.98

01:28:29.000 Well, it's not just, it's not me thinking. 0.98

01:28:32.000 This is us absolutely quantifiably saying we do not have enough people to pick from.

01:28:37.000 Right.

01:28:38.000 And that would be one of the best ways to really find out what the actual average health of viable males is, right?

01:28:47.000 Yeah, for sure.

01:28:48.000 There's always going to be the best of the best that want to test themselves.

01:28:53.000 I mean, this is just always how it's been.

01:28:55.000 Yeah, so we take a hundred.

01:28:56.000 Of that hundred, we only get six or eight.

01:29:00.000 But that's 100 people that go to Special Forces Selection.

01:29:04.000 That 100 that goes, they have to have a GT score.

01:29:07.000 They have to have scores high enough on the military entrance exams just to be eligible.

01:29:13.000 They have to have a PT score high enough just to be eligible.

01:29:15.000 So we can't even get that 100. And then of that 100, only 8 of them are making it.

01:29:21.000 So we are, this is to answer your question, how am I able to do these things, is I'm in a position where I can say, for the love of God, please get healthy, please walk to your recruiter's office, and please take a test to see if you're eligible, because we are just needing people like we've never needed them before.

01:29:39.000 Jesus Christ.

01:29:40.000 It's scary.

01:29:41.000 Wow.

01:29:42.000 Well, that's one of the best indications.

01:29:44.000 I mean, most people don't know.

01:29:46.000 People like me, I'm a 50-year-old father, taxpayer out there doing my show. 0.99

01:29:50.000 I'm not paying attention to what fucking high school kids look like. 0.99

01:29:52.000 I have no idea. 0.99

01:29:54.000 Go to a Marine recruiter right now and be like, Hey, bro, how's your job right now?

01:29:58.000 And you just fight him from taking that pen and stabbing it into his own eye.

01:30:02.000 Because he just can't get...

01:30:04.000 Somebody that isn't smoking weed.

01:30:06.000 Somebody that can pass a PT test.

01:30:09.000 Somebody that can pass a tape test.

01:30:11.000 And then somebody that can pass...

01:30:12.000 What's a tape test?

01:30:14.000 We measure their neck and their waist.

01:30:18.000 And they can't even pass that. 0.96

01:30:20.000 So they're too fat. 0.99

01:30:21.000 They're too fat. 0.75

01:30:22.000 Is the neck too little or too big?

01:30:24.000 So if you have a big neck and a big waist, this is...

01:30:29.000 Because I have a big neck.

01:30:30.000 Right, but it's from working out.

01:30:32.000 Yeah, but I have a tiny little waist.

01:30:33.000 So that gives me my BMI and my body fat.

01:30:36.000 They measure...

01:30:37.000 It's a pretty...

01:30:38.000 It's a gross measurement.

01:30:40.000 Height, weight, and measurement.

01:30:42.000 Right.

01:30:42.000 And...

01:30:43.000 There's only like four things that we need for us to say.

01:30:46.000 It's harder to get into the military than it is to get into college.

01:30:49.000 That's absolutely true.

01:30:50.000 Not regular military, but special forces?

01:30:52.000 No, regular military.

01:30:53.000 What?

01:30:54.000 Yeah.

01:30:54.000 Really?

01:30:55.000 Yes.

01:30:55.000 It is not easy.

01:30:57.000 And then from that, we only pick combat arms.

01:31:01.000 And then of that combat arms, we only pick the top hundred.

01:31:03.000 How is it harder for someone to get into the military than it is to get into college?

01:31:07.000 I thought it was fairly easy to get into the military.

01:31:09.000 I'm pretty sure anybody can go to college.

01:31:14.000 Anybody.

01:31:14.000 Well, you can go to community college.

01:31:16.000 That's college.

01:31:17.000 Right.

01:31:17.000 Yeah.

01:31:19.000 I'm not saying it's as easy to get into MIT. Right.

01:31:22.000 But anybody can go to any college that they want.

01:31:27.000 Not any college they can get in.

01:31:28.000 They can go to...

01:31:30.000 You know, local community college, and then two years there, they can go and get into the next, you know, the state school, and then from there, they can get a...

01:31:38.000 I mean, anybody can do that.

01:31:39.000 Right.

01:31:39.000 Well, you can't go to the military if you smoke weed.

01:31:41.000 You can't go to the military if you have bad eyes.

01:31:44.000 You can't go to the military if you're diabetic.

01:31:45.000 You can't go into the military if you have asthma.

01:31:47.000 You can go to college if you have all those things.

01:31:50.000 Right.

01:31:50.000 You can't go into the military if your IQ is X number, depending on your job.

01:31:55.000 Well, you can still go to college.

01:31:56.000 You can't go into the military if you can't run a mile or two miles in this speed and do this number of push-ups and this many sit-ups.

01:32:03.000 I don't think any college has that requirement.

01:32:05.000 So, I mean, just in those seven things alone, we just X'd out 80% of our population.

01:32:12.000 Is there also a problem with people's attitude towards the military?

01:32:17.000 With young people? 0.99

01:32:19.000 Yeah, a little bit.

01:32:20.000 Do you think it's mostly a physical issue?

01:32:22.000 Yeah, that is way less of an issue.

01:32:24.000 The perception of the military is way less of an issue than us just having a qualified population for us to pick from.

01:32:32.000 I mean, it's really bad.

01:32:34.000 Where we're borderline freaking out about what we're going to do.

01:32:39.000 So an average Special Forces ODA is supposed to have 12 guys in it.

01:32:45.000 Right now, you're not going to find a team that has more than 10. And we only have 70% of our teams with 10. Yeah.

01:32:58.000 Thank God we didn't go to war with North Korea. 0.58

01:33:01.000 Thank God that war ended and that we're not dropping nuclear bombs on anybody because we're in a hurt locker for qualified.

01:33:09.000 Most people have no idea about this.

01:33:10.000 No.

01:33:12.000 It's scary.

01:33:13.000 Wow.

01:33:14.000 So this is one of the best ways to measure what's wrong with the way people are living today.

01:33:21.000 Yeah.

01:33:22.000 I mean, forget about whether or not they want to go and serve.

01:33:25.000 The viable, quality candidates, it's the number of them that are even available.

01:33:32.000 Is the lowest it's ever been.

01:33:36.000 What about high school athletics?

01:33:38.000 I mean, have they decreased?

01:33:40.000 Yeah.

01:33:40.000 Really?

01:33:41.000 Yeah.

01:33:41.000 At the same rate?

01:33:43.000 Very, very similar.

01:33:44.000 The participation in not...

01:33:47.000 So you can go and play for your...

01:33:53.000 The rec time, volleyball, but to get onto the varsity football team or the varsity volleyball team or the varsity track team, the number of people in percentage to the...

01:34:03.000 So if you have a thousand people, you had a hundred of them that were participating in those athletics.

01:34:10.000 All right, so we had 10%.

01:34:11.000 That number now is down to like 5% or 6%.

01:34:15.000 So the overall percentage per capita of the number of people participating in these sports has been consistently decreasing for the past 20 years.

01:34:26.000 Wow, 20 years.

01:34:27.000 And 20 years is essentially when the internet became a huge thing.

01:34:31.000 I mean, that's basically the same timeline.

01:34:33.000 You're looking at like 94, 98. You see obesity going like this.

01:34:37.000 Wow.

01:34:40.000 We've got bad food.

01:34:43.000 Our jobs are getting less and less physical.

01:34:45.000 The focus on what jobs people should have.

01:34:49.000 Everybody's been like, go to college, become an academic so you can be this intellectual that can go and do this job and then you graduate from college with a student loan and you have no job to go to.

01:35:00.000 Where there's this guy that needs welders.

01:35:03.000 But it's not cool to be a welder.

01:35:05.000 Don't do that.

01:35:06.000 Or to be a mechanic.

01:35:07.000 All these trade jobs that are just begging and pleading for... 0.98

01:35:10.000 They are sometimes physical, but they need people.

01:35:13.000 But it's not cool to do that.

01:35:15.000 I want to go to Long Beach State, or I want to go to UCLA, or I want to go hang out with a bunch of hot chicks at LSU. You know, the focus has been wrong for a while.

01:35:27.000 And that is evident in Special Forces selection when we don't have anybody to pick from.

01:35:33.000 We can't select.

01:35:34.000 Wow.

01:35:36.000 Why don't we hear about this?

01:35:38.000 Is this something they're trying to keep hush-hush?

01:35:41.000 It has been a problem because our community motto is the quiet professionals.

01:35:49.000 Mm-hmm.

01:35:51.000 That's our motto.

01:35:53.000 How do you fit into that?

01:35:54.000 Yeah, I don't. 0.97

01:35:56.000 I mean, I get so much crap all the time. 0.64

01:35:58.000 But thank God, guys that really understand what I'm trying to do, they realize I don't shut up because I'm trying to help the regiment. 0.92

01:36:06.000 I'm trying the best ways that I can, the best ways that we can figure out with people way smarter than me helping me.

01:36:12.000 I was on the phone yesterday with some of the best and brightest in the Special Operations Recruiting Battalion about how are we going to fix this?

01:36:18.000 How are we going to market?

01:36:19.000 How are we going to develop interest?

01:36:21.000 And so thankfully they're smarter than me.

01:36:25.000 But we're almost screwing ourselves over because that is what...

01:36:34.000 How we live and that's how we would do our job.

01:36:36.000 If you read about us on the news, we failed.

01:36:38.000 You know, if you read about Army Special Forces doing something, we have done messed up.

01:36:44.000 You know, this is not the Navy SEALs.

01:36:46.000 We're not writing books.

01:36:47.000 You know, we're not talking about our exploits.

01:36:49.000 We didn't kill bin Laden.

01:36:50.000 This is us just doing our work and nobody's supposed to know about it.

01:36:54.000 But because of that, we now have a huge recruiting problem.

01:36:59.000 What's the approach to try to balance that out?

01:37:02.000 I mean, is there any strategies in play?

01:37:03.000 Yeah, we talked through a bunch.

01:37:06.000 We're trying to figure out, I think...

01:37:12.000 Just getting the word out.

01:37:13.000 Letting people know.

01:37:15.000 One, we have to get that population healthy.

01:37:19.000 So, let's go specifically after athletes.

01:37:23.000 Let's go to a high school wrestling room and be like, hey fellas.

01:37:28.000 That's where I heard about it.

01:37:29.000 When I first heard about Army Special Forces was a guy in a really bad cut suit from probably like JCPenney's or Macy's walked in, you know, and he's like, hey guys, you ever thought about Army Special Forces?

01:37:40.000 I was like, I don't even know what that is.

01:37:42.000 Is that like the Navy SEALs?

01:37:42.000 He's like, yeah, check it out.

01:37:44.000 And he gave us this crappy car and walked away and I never saw him again.

01:37:47.000 But that planted that seed.

01:37:48.000 You know, and then 9-11 happens.

01:37:50.000 I was like, I know where I'm going.

01:37:51.000 I'm going to that dude that had that bad suit.

01:37:53.000 I'm going to find him.

01:37:54.000 Go work for that guy. 0.87

01:37:57.000 We're talking about my show, Hard to Kill.

01:38:01.000 It's not just Army Special Forces.

01:38:03.000 It's Marine Recon.

01:38:05.000 It's the Navy SEALs.

01:38:07.000 It's Air Force PJs.

01:38:09.000 Every special operations that has a selection process, they don't have a population to pick from.

01:38:14.000 They don't have that body, that pool of qualified applicants to select from.

01:38:19.000 So everybody is having the same problem.

01:38:23.000 So, let's do the Top Gun thing.

01:38:26.000 Let's show how cool it is to be an aviator.

01:38:28.000 Another job that we don't have enough guys of.

01:38:30.000 We don't have enough pilots.

01:38:31.000 So was this the motivation behind Hard to Kill?

01:38:34.000 Part of it.

01:38:35.000 For me.

01:38:37.000 And the reason why I was allowed to do it.

01:38:39.000 We're going to have an episode every single season where I'm going to highlight some crazy, badass military job.

01:38:47.000 Doing things that...

01:38:48.000 Wait, you're going to jump off a Zodiac a mile from water.

01:38:50.000 You're going to swim in to walk four miles with a rucksack to then go do a raid on a bomb maker's house hanging off the side of a player with a machine gun.

01:39:00.000 So it's like freaking awesome, but this is the job.

01:39:03.000 So let's show them what this job is.

01:39:05.000 Let's show them how hard it is because it's hard.

01:39:07.000 This is not easy stuff that these guys do.

01:39:10.000 And hopefully...

01:39:12.000 Somebody will be inspired, and somebody will be like, alright, I'm gonna get off the couch.

01:39:15.000 So what is Hard To Kill?

01:39:17.000 Because I've heard of it, I've heard the name, but I really haven't looked into it.

01:39:21.000 I've tried so hard to get Discovery Channel to let you show the first bit of it.

01:39:27.000 They won't?

01:39:28.000 They won't.

01:39:28.000 Why not?

01:39:29.000 They said it's a rough cut, and they want everything perfect.

01:39:34.000 Okay, well when they get it perfect, send it to me.

01:39:36.000 We'll play it.

01:39:37.000 So, we find a job.

01:39:39.000 That is inherently dangerous that people die in doing and is necessary for our way of life.

01:39:47.000 That's the first part.

01:39:48.000 We find whatever that is.

01:39:50.000 That might be a guy that changes light bulbs at the top of cell towers.

01:39:55.000 That might be somebody that's hanging off the side of a building, washing windows.

01:39:57.000 That might be an experimental test pilot.

01:40:00.000 That might be somebody that works on a bull ranch.

01:40:04.000 It might be a guy delivering antibiotics in Alaska to families that live out in the bush.

01:40:09.000 So it's not necessarily military jobs.

01:40:11.000 No, it's jobs in general.

01:40:13.000 No, no, no.

01:40:14.000 I think we only do one military job in this first season.

01:40:18.000 I thought, oh, okay.

01:40:19.000 Because I have a very distorted perception of it.

01:40:21.000 I thought Hard to Kill was all about military.

01:40:23.000 Nope, just one.

01:40:25.000 It's anybody, anywhere that does something necessary for our way of life.

01:40:31.000 And they die doing their job.

01:40:34.000 That's the show.

01:40:35.000 And I'm trying to highlight and I'm trying to pay homage and respect to these people that nobody thinks about or appreciates.

01:40:41.000 We walk on our Southwest flight and we're like, hey, can I get my beverage service and my peanuts?

01:40:47.000 Man, but in the 50s and 60s, the average life expectancy of an experimental test pilot was like four years.

01:40:54.000 You know, you have stories of these SR-71 pilots that are flying at Mach 2 and the whole entire thing just disintegrates around them.

01:41:01.000 One of the guys is killed instantly.

01:41:02.000 The other guy starts falling.

01:41:04.000 I think he's like 30,000 feet in the air, strapped to his chair.

01:41:09.000 So he can't even use his parachute?

01:41:10.000 He wakes up, he's blacked out, he can't look out of his visor because his visor's frozen, and he's just in a dead spin, falling at 200 miles an hour, and he lives.

01:41:18.000 How?

01:41:19.000 Because he's amazing.

01:41:21.000 Jesus, how did he live?

01:41:23.000 Well, I recreate that whole entire thing in the show.

01:41:26.000 You did that? 1.00

01:41:27.000 I'm full stupid. 1.00

01:41:28.000 What the fuck is wrong with you? 1.00

01:41:30.000 Yeah, I'm dumb, man. 1.00

01:41:30.000 You did that? 1.00

01:41:31.000 Yeah.

01:41:34.000 What are you laughing at?

01:41:35.000 I'll come over there!

01:41:37.000 He's very tense.

01:41:38.000 How did this guy survive?

01:41:39.000 So, he wakes up.

01:41:42.000 He's in a free fall.

01:41:43.000 He's strapped to his chair.

01:41:44.000 His parachute won't deploy.

01:41:46.000 His visor's frozen.

01:41:48.000 He gets his harness off, and then he goes into the box, which is this free fall position, which kind of stabilizes.

01:41:55.000 Super impressive that he knew how to do that in the first place.

01:41:59.000 A lot of pilots never even practice free fall.

01:42:01.000 So, he's free falling, and First...

01:42:05.000 Let's remember this guy was a combat pilot in Vietnam and in Korea.

01:42:11.000 So this guy's been...

01:42:12.000 He's actually been shot down before.

01:42:14.000 So pretty heroic fella.

01:42:16.000 And he gets out of his harness.

01:42:18.000 He's in the box.

01:42:18.000 He deploys his parachute.

01:42:20.000 So explain the box again?

01:42:21.000 How do you do it?

01:42:22.000 You're pretty much driving your hips down as a massive sprawl.

01:42:26.000 Okay.

01:42:27.000 That's what it is.

01:42:27.000 It looks like you're driving your hips down in a massive sprawl.

01:42:29.000 Your arms are pushed back.

01:42:31.000 So air is evenly...

01:42:33.000 Flowing off of your body.

01:42:34.000 So it keeps you from spinning?

01:42:35.000 It makes you stable.

01:42:37.000 So the air, the friction of the air off of your body makes you stop spinning in circles or tumbling overhead.

01:42:44.000 And he, because of his center sat...

01:42:49.000 He naturally had weight on his hips, which dropped his hips down, and then he just kind of stabilized, coincidentally, through his parachute, and then he landed on his wreckage, which was on fire. 0.98

01:43:00.000 Holy shit! 0.97

01:43:02.000 Yeah, which we recreated for Me Too. 0.99

01:43:03.000 I got burnt pretty jacked up.

01:43:05.000 They put me inside of an experimental test plane, put aviation fluid on it, locked the cockpit, and then set it on fire with me inside of it.

01:43:16.000 Why do you do this?

01:43:18.000 Because that's not even, like, real.

01:43:21.000 Like, you're choosing to do this.

01:43:23.000 Yeah, but they did it.

01:43:25.000 They did it.

01:43:26.000 And they survived.

01:43:27.000 So you're doing it to recreate it in their honor?

01:43:31.000 We have...

01:43:32.000 I mean, there are safety measures in place where, like, I only got...

01:43:38.000 I kind of got burnt, so my shirt got melted and I was able to get out of my seatbelt because my seatbelt melted.

01:43:44.000 You got out because it melted?

01:43:46.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:43:46.000 Oh, fuck. 1.00

01:43:47.000 And then I was able to... 1.00

01:43:47.000 I couldn't get the cockpit open because the cockpit had melted closed. 1.00

01:43:51.000 So I just tore the cockpit open.

01:43:54.000 But we were maybe one or two seconds away from the fire department just descending upon me to save my life and then take me to the hospital.

01:44:05.000 So the motivation is...

01:44:09.000 Everybody, I think, takes for granted all of the things that we have in our life, and there are some pretty heroic, courageous people that risk it every single day to do these jobs, to get our food, to get our oil.

01:44:23.000 Like, that stuff is pumped from the center of the ocean sometimes.

01:44:27.000 Yeah.

01:44:27.000 There's a guy diving down, breathing helium and nitrogen at a few hundred feet, messing with gases that if he cuts just one millimeter too deep, he's going to get sucked into the pipe because of the negative pressure.

01:44:42.000 Guys that are flying a plane, there's no test dummy for flying a plane, right?

01:44:47.000 Some dude is going to sit inside of a plane sometime and be like...

01:44:51.000 Let's see. 1.00

01:44:52.000 Fuck it. 1.00

01:44:53.000 Let's see if it works. 1.00

01:44:53.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:44:54.000 Think about the balls on that dude. 0.99

01:44:56.000 Nobody thinks about that. 0.96

01:44:56.000 So that's the whole point, was we wanted to show, and there's hundreds and hundreds of people that do these jobs that we just don't think about. 0.96

01:45:05.000 In the middle of a hurricane, like, how is your power still on?

01:45:09.000 There's somebody out there trying to fix it.

01:45:12.000 You're in the middle of a blizzard, and just feet and feet of snow are descending on those power lines, and you think they're just staying up there?

01:45:18.000 No, man.

01:45:19.000 There's somebody hanging off the side of that tower that's negative 20 outside, and he's trying to fix that stuff so your heater stays on so you don't freeze.

01:45:27.000 Are you going to get in one of those planes that flies into hurricanes?

01:45:31.000 Yeah, man. 1.00

01:45:32.000 We do the dumbest stuff. 1.00

01:45:35.000 Are you going to do that? 1.00

01:45:36.000 Yeah.

01:45:37.000 You are?

01:45:37.000 Yeah.

01:45:38.000 How about putting me at the bottom of a mountain and setting off an avalanche?

01:45:43.000 What?

01:45:43.000 Yeah, let's do that.

01:45:44.000 Are you going to do that?

01:45:46.000 We did that.

01:45:46.000 Oh, dude.

01:45:47.000 Don't die.

01:45:48.000 Don't die, Tim.

01:45:49.000 I like you.

01:45:49.000 Take an R-22 helicopter in the Arctic Ocean and go and crash it into the ocean and then make me swim to an iceberg and live on the iceberg.

01:45:58.000 Did you do that?

01:45:59.000 Yeah, I did that.

01:46:00.000 How long did you live on the iceberg for?

01:46:01.000 I was too cold to count.

01:46:04.000 What I had to do once I got to the iceberg, I had like these tasks that I had to do for them to come and get me.

01:46:10.000 So once the helicopter went underwater and I had to swim down into the helicopter and the water was 33 degrees, and then I had to swim.

01:46:17.000 I think it was about a few hundred meters in this 33 degree water.

01:46:21.000 It was about 30 minutes total time in this 33 degree water.

01:46:24.000 I... Fortunately, I was able to bounce some ideas off of Kyle Kingsbury and Wynhoff and a bunch of guys from Onnit because they're pretty into that cold weather stuff, cold weather.

01:46:36.000 What does Kyle know about swimming in the ocean at 33 degrees?

01:46:39.000 He knows about extreme temperature.

01:46:42.000 He does the contrast showers and the heart rate breathing.

01:46:47.000 I experimented with a bunch of it before I went and did the episode to make sure I didn't die.

01:46:53.000 How much time can you spend in that water?

01:46:55.000 I thought it was only a few minutes.

01:46:56.000 That's what they said.

01:46:59.000 You were in there for 30?

01:47:00.000 Yeah, I wanted to see how long I could do it.

01:47:03.000 So once I lost small motor function, so I couldn't move my hands, I could still swim.

01:47:08.000 So then once I could...

01:47:10.000 My arms went next, but I could still kind of do the egg beater kick from swimming in water polo.

01:47:16.000 And that lasted about another eight or nine minutes.

01:47:19.000 And then it was kind of like I was just trying to keep my head above water.

01:47:23.000 And then they sent in the rescue diver and pulled me out. 1.00

01:47:27.000 Fuck, dude. 1.00

01:47:27.000 Yeah, and it took me four hours... 1.00

01:47:30.000 To get moving.

01:47:32.000 To be able to move again.

01:47:34.000 Four hours.

01:47:36.000 They can't warm you back up, either.

01:47:40.000 So they put you in a sleeping bag with no heater, and you have to very slowly, because you can go into shock if you warm up too fast.

01:47:47.000 Oh, Jesus.

01:47:49.000 Man, I should have been a golfer.

01:47:53.000 I should have been a golfer.

01:47:55.000 It wouldn't have worked.

01:47:56.000 Tiger Woods is surging again.

01:47:58.000 You know, like, what the heck?

01:48:00.000 But, yeah, you would have got bored.

01:48:04.000 So there's a bush pilot, an Alaskan bush pilot, that, you know, they, like, deliver food to these people living out in the middle of nowhere in Alaska.

01:48:13.000 And he's flying.

01:48:17.000 An engine stops. 0.88

01:48:18.000 He's like, oh, that sucks.

01:48:20.000 So an autorotation is they still have a little bit of lift, but I think?

01:48:43.000 And his helicopter's submerging and he dives into the submerging helicopter to get his survival equipment.

01:48:49.000 And then he swims over to the iceberg and he sets his kind of like shelter up.

01:48:55.000 And then he has to fight off polar bears for a couple of days.

01:48:58.000 He lives.

01:48:59.000 This dude survives.

01:49:01.000 And he was like the source for our Bush pilot episode was this one guy.

01:49:06.000 But there's hundreds and hundreds of stories of these guys crashing all the time.

01:49:12.000 So we just try to figure out what the job is, why it's hard, why it's dangerous, and then what is the worst case scenario?

01:49:19.000 What is the worst day on the job?

01:49:21.000 And let's see what that's like.

01:49:22.000 How did he fight off the polar bears?

01:49:24.000 So he had a raft, like his flotation raft, and it was inverted, which he had turned into like a small igloo.

01:49:33.000 And he could hear the bears starting to come up to...

01:49:36.000 And it doesn't get dark there, depending on the time of the year.

01:49:40.000 So he only had like one or two hours of darkness, so he could still kind of see, and he could see the bears coming.

01:49:45.000 So he was sitting inside just holding super still, and they could just smell that something was off.

01:49:50.000 They're trying to figure out what it was.

01:49:51.000 And then he would stand up with his raft on his shoulders and be like, RUNNER! Banging on the big plastic-y raft thing.

01:49:59.000 And they couldn't figure out what it was because it was this 12x12 raft rising and running at them and with lots of noise.

01:50:07.000 And he was able to scare them away, I think, three times before he was finally rescued.

01:50:11.000 Oh, my God.

01:50:12.000 No weapons.

01:50:13.000 Oh, fucking Christ. 1.00

01:50:15.000 Yep. 1.00

01:50:17.000 I don't have those balls. 0.99

01:50:19.000 God! 0.99

01:50:20.000 Well, you would if you were there.

01:50:22.000 You'd do whatever you had to do.

01:50:23.000 I don't know.

01:50:23.000 If you were there.

01:50:24.000 Polar bears scare me.

01:50:26.000 They scare the shit out of me. 0.76

01:50:27.000 Because they actively hunt us. 0.76

01:50:28.000 Oh, yeah.

01:50:29.000 They're one of the few animals.

01:50:30.000 I mean, that's all they do is eat meat.

01:50:32.000 Anything that moves.

01:50:33.000 Largest carnivore on the planet.

01:50:35.000 Yeah.

01:50:35.000 They're like, huh.

01:50:36.000 You ever see that video where they took a guy from BBC and they put him in a big giant glass box, like a plexiglass box, and put him out into the Arctic, and the polar bear came up and was trying to bite through the box and figure out how to get him?

01:50:48.000 No. 0.98

01:50:48.000 So he's inside the box filming it, and this thing can smell him, and it's just opening its mouth, and its mouth is as big as this fucking desk. 0.98

01:50:55.000 That's when you really get a perspective of how large these things are, and it's trying to bite into this box. 0.98

01:51:00.000 There it is.

01:51:01.000 Here's a guy.

01:51:02.000 So the thing comes up to him.

01:51:04.000 I mean, hey, this is the Klondike bar thing.

01:51:07.000 This is the guy who likes Coca-Cola.

01:51:09.000 No, so, giant super predator.

01:51:11.000 And it's trying to figure out how to get them.

01:51:13.000 They're smart, too.

01:51:14.000 Yeah, well, they have to be.

01:51:16.000 Yeah.

01:51:16.000 So, he's got this...

01:51:17.000 I would have checked that lock like 50,000 times.

01:51:19.000 I don't understand this box.

01:51:21.000 Look how big that is! 0.99

01:51:26.000 So, that box would have smelled like shit for me if I weren't there right now. 0.99

01:51:31.000 That's all you could smell in that box. 0.99

01:51:32.000 Yeah, man.

01:51:34.000 It's such a strange task.

01:51:37.000 I mean, I don't know.

01:51:38.000 There's a boat behind him, I guess.

01:51:39.000 That has a dude with me with a tranquilizer.

01:51:42.000 Hopefully, a rifle.

01:51:44.000 Yeah.

01:51:45.000 Look at that.

01:51:45.000 Oh, my God.

01:51:46.000 He's trying to figure out how to get him.

01:51:49.000 It's a very disturbing video, and it...

01:51:52.000 Went on for a little while.

01:51:53.000 The thing left and came back and left and came back again and finally they got him out of there. 1.00

01:51:58.000 Fuck that. 1.00

01:52:00.000 It's amazing. 1.00

01:52:01.000 It's a crazy animal.

01:52:02.000 Yeah, we couldn't find any polar bears.

01:52:04.000 Did you want to?

01:52:06.000 I did.

01:52:07.000 Were you going to try to scare him off that way?

01:52:08.000 Yeah.

01:52:09.000 That would have ended really badly.

01:52:11.000 But another poor decision in Tim's life.

01:52:14.000 The Discovery Channel, this is the most expensive insured show they've ever done.

01:52:21.000 I would imagine.

01:52:22.000 And there are just some things... 0.98

01:52:26.000 We know shit took explosives, TNT, threw them from the side of a helicopter to cause avalanches. 0.98

01:52:37.000 That I'm in. 0.98

01:52:39.000 And so, do you have one of those inflatable suits that keeps you from getting completely compressed?

01:52:43.000 Yeah, we tried that one time.

01:52:46.000 I definitely used that, and I think that saved me one time.

01:52:49.000 It kept me up on top.

01:52:50.000 So those things don't keep you from being compressed.

01:52:52.000 It keeps you on top.

01:52:54.000 Oh, I see.

01:52:54.000 It's like...

01:53:01.000 Right.

01:53:05.000 Right.

01:53:22.000 Really?

01:53:22.000 Even though when they finally put me in the avalanche, I was inside of the snow for 30 minutes.

01:53:30.000 That was the amount of time that the network would let me see if I could survive.

01:53:34.000 And I had a button.

01:53:36.000 If I clicked it every minute on the bottom of the minute, they would leave me in there for another minute.

01:53:42.000 So I stayed in for $29.59.

01:53:44.000 And so at 30, they were like, that's it?

01:53:47.000 That's all the time we allow?

01:53:48.000 Yep.

01:53:49.000 Wow.

01:53:49.000 What was it like in there for 30 minutes?

01:53:51.000 It was really cold.

01:53:51.000 Yeah.

01:53:52.000 It was super cold.

01:53:53.000 It was dark.

01:53:54.000 It was hard to figure out which way was up.

01:53:58.000 So I figured out which way was up because I was able to like...

01:54:02.000 I took my snowboarding goggles and I put them over my mouth so the snow went...

01:54:07.000 So I'd initially have a little bit of...

01:54:09.000 A few breaths of air.

01:54:11.000 Because what happens is you get an ice...

01:54:13.000 Right.

01:54:40.000 But then I saw a drip of water drip off of my glasses at a 45 degree angle to my left.

01:54:46.000 And I was like, oh, up is that way!

01:54:49.000 That was like the best thing for my brain, to know which way up was.

01:54:52.000 That was the only way you could tell.

01:54:53.000 Yeah.

01:54:54.000 Because you're just smashed in snow.

01:54:56.000 Wow.

01:54:57.000 That's a crazy feeling.

01:54:58.000 Like, you don't know where up is.

01:54:59.000 Yeah.

01:55:01.000 So up could be your feet.

01:55:02.000 Absolutely.

01:55:03.000 Absolutely.

01:55:04.000 And you wouldn't even know?

01:55:05.000 Nope.

01:55:06.000 So I just, gravity, watching that drop of water drip off of my snow goggles.

01:55:12.000 I was like, peace for my brain.

01:55:15.000 What if it went up?

01:55:16.000 I would have pissed myself.

01:55:18.000 What if you like spit and you saw it go up?

01:55:20.000 You're like, oh no.

01:55:22.000 Oh no, I gotta go that way.

01:55:24.000 Dang it.

01:55:25.000 Yeah, there's no moving.

01:55:26.000 You either get rescued or you freeze to death.

01:55:28.000 And so this is not a controlled avalanche.

01:55:30.000 They're just actually starting an avalanche.

01:55:33.000 Yep.

01:55:34.000 How many of these episodes are you planning on doing, Tim?

01:55:37.000 I mean...

01:55:37.000 Can we stop now?

01:55:39.000 Nah, I think we got a bunch of people that the world needs to know about that we take for granted how we get our food, how we get our gas, how we get our...

01:55:47.000 Wow.

01:55:48.000 And I think I got a bunch of special forces recruiting slots I need to fill.

01:55:53.000 And this is the way to do it?

01:55:54.000 I hope so.

01:55:54.000 You're almost killing yourself every week?

01:55:56.000 I didn't...

01:55:57.000 I mean, I almost only died three times in this first season.

01:56:03.000 Um...

01:56:05.000 And if somebody's like, that's a cool job, or wait, the only way that Tim...

01:56:10.000 I mean, there are some times where you're watching me inside of a cockpit that's on fire, and the only way I got out is because I'm a savage.

01:56:18.000 Like, I'm just a beast.

01:56:19.000 I was like, I don't feel like getting burnt alive today, so I tear the cockpit open.

01:56:24.000 I think somebody at some point is going to draw the conclusion that I was able to do that because of physicality. 0.97

01:56:30.000 That if you're a fat person sitting inside of there, you would be burnt alive. 0.99

01:56:35.000 Maybe they get off their couch and they go and do something. 0.93

01:56:38.000 That is a weird way to motivate people.

01:56:40.000 Any way is a good way.

01:56:42.000 I'll take it.

01:56:44.000 Whose idea was this for this show?

01:56:46.000 That was my idea.

01:56:47.000 Jesus Christ, dude.

01:56:49.000 You're an unusual human.

01:56:52.000 It's fun, though.

01:56:53.000 And how many of these episodes have you done?

01:56:54.000 We have finished six.

01:56:57.000 And is that the entire season?

01:56:59.000 Yeah, that'll be season one.

01:57:00.000 Comes out in July.

01:57:02.000 You excited about it?

01:57:03.000 Yeah, I'm pumped.

01:57:04.000 So 50% of the time you almost died?

01:57:07.000 Yeah, I mean that's gross math rounding around.

01:57:12.000 Okay, so there's the water one where you almost froze to death.

01:57:15.000 Yep, that definitely.

01:57:16.000 And then the avalanche one where you lasted 30 minutes.

01:57:20.000 What was the other one?

01:57:23.000 Oh, man.

01:57:24.000 Worse?

01:57:25.000 Yeah, it was less pleasant.

01:57:28.000 Like, I was a bullfighter for an episode.

01:57:32.000 Oh, dude.

01:57:33.000 And not a bull rider, because they're insane, but the bullfighter is the guy that's on the ground, so when the bullfighter gets thrown, he's the bodyguard for the bull rider.

01:57:43.000 His only job is to take the hit Right.

01:57:54.000 Right.

01:57:57.000 Right.

01:58:00.000 Right.

01:58:08.000 We're good to go.

01:58:27.000 You see the inside of my body.

01:58:29.000 You see people get really, really, really jacked up and go to the hospital.

01:58:34.000 And like, does he have a punctured lung?

01:58:35.000 Is that guy going to live?

01:58:37.000 This is that type of show because there's no other way to do it.

01:58:42.000 The only thing, the only direction we had from Discovery was don't fake anything.

01:58:47.000 That's a great direction.

01:58:48.000 It's a great direction.

01:58:49.000 I'm glad they came up with that.

01:58:50.000 Now, what happened with the bull?

01:58:55.000 I got...

01:58:56.000 Owned, which is humiliating because they're not really smart animals. 0.84

01:59:00.000 Is that you?

01:59:01.000 You're fast over there.

01:59:03.000 Tammy's a wizard.

01:59:05.000 I'd like to encourage all little boys and girls that follow me on any social media platform to stay in school, become engineers, architects, accountants, or anything that doesn't lead to permanent brain damage or need of an orthopedic surgeon.

01:59:19.000 It's you, legs up, and a bull launching you through the air.

01:59:25.000 That was the training week.

01:59:28.000 So this was when you were trying to distract the bull?

01:59:31.000 Yeah.

01:59:32.000 What kind of techniques do you use?

01:59:35.000 Football running back stuff.

01:59:37.000 Just juke them one way and turn the other way?

01:59:39.000 The thing is, you actually have to sell that body movement.

01:59:43.000 So your weight has to shift far enough where the bull is going to really believe that you're going to go to that direction.

01:59:52.000 I wish bulls were so... 0.99

01:59:55.000 I wish they were dumber than they are, because they're not. 0.99

01:59:59.000 Because if you fake them once one direction, they won't take it the next time. 1.00

02:00:04.000 They'll, they'll, you try to fake to the right, they'll already start going running to the left, so then you fake to the right, you go back to the left, and you're like, oh no, I have done, and it's at that moment that Tim realized he had fucked up. 0.88

02:00:16.000 You know, then he just gets, oh, I got destroyed.

02:00:19.000 And so when you get launched through the air by a bull...

02:00:21.000 It's weird because it's weightless.

02:00:26.000 You know, it's just a second and you are completely inverted, no control over where your body is going because you didn't generate that energy.

02:00:38.000 But the other part of your brain is knowing that that bowl is going to try to turn as fast as it can and get you when you land on the ground.

02:00:47.000 Because that's when it's really good, is when you're down.

02:00:50.000 Yeah.

02:00:52.000 So you're trying to keep track of where this bull is while you're through the air.

02:00:57.000 Like, okay, I gotta tuck my chin so I don't break my neck.

02:01:00.000 You know, hopefully I'm not close enough to the fence because the fence doesn't move.

02:01:04.000 The fence is metal.

02:01:05.000 You know, the ground is pretty soft.

02:01:06.000 I'd rather land on the ground than land on the fence.

02:01:10.000 The fence will mess you up.

02:01:11.000 Anyway, so that's...

02:01:13.000 And how'd you get away from the bull?

02:01:18.000 I'm an athlete.

02:01:19.000 Not sure if you know that.

02:01:21.000 That's it.

02:01:22.000 That's it.

02:01:23.000 Just athleticism.

02:01:25.000 Yeah.

02:01:25.000 Luck.

02:01:26.000 A little luck.

02:01:27.000 A little bit of luck that you didn't get stomped. 0.99

02:01:28.000 No, so there are some real bullfighters in the ring with me that I think save my life every single time because I suck. 1.00

02:01:36.000 At the end of this show, people are going to look at this and be like, one, Tim is an idiot. 0.99

02:01:44.000 Two, Everybody that does this job, these jobs, has the biggest balls and are so badass. 1.00

02:01:51.000 Hopefully that's what they're going to get.

02:01:52.000 Because this isn't like a Tim Kennedy look cool show. 1.00

02:01:54.000 This is, um, that guy's an idiot and everybody else is pretty- Oh, dude! 1.00

02:01:59.000 That fucking picture! 1.00

02:02:00.000 Oh my god! 1.00

02:02:02.000 Oh my god!

02:02:03.000 Look at that picture.

02:02:05.000 Notice that that's a different bowl.

02:02:07.000 So you did this more than once.

02:02:09.000 So this bull, he's got his feet up in the air, and his head is inches from you, and it's about to collide with you. 0.96

02:02:20.000 And there's no fucking way you got away in this situation. 0.99

02:02:23.000 There's no way. 0.98

02:02:24.000 That thing's way too close. 0.99

02:02:27.000 What is it like to just get launched by a 2,000-pound fucking meat vehicle? 0.99

02:02:34.000 It's the other things that... 0.99

02:02:39.000 So, the...

02:02:40.000 We did, like, commercial fishermen as an episode.

02:02:45.000 Like Deadliest Catch?

02:02:46.000 Yeah, just like that.

02:02:47.000 But, you know, those shows, in this episodic way, they really go into the personalities and the people that do these jobs.

02:02:54.000 And I think they really gloss over...

02:02:57.000 How hard that job is.

02:02:58.000 I mean, they're on this DEX for 14, 15 hours working a net pull to a net pull to putting out a net to next.

02:03:07.000 And then they go in and the net is out and they have 45 minutes to sleep before they have to pull the net back in.

02:03:13.000 And they do that for 28 days.

02:03:14.000 So they're getting like cat naps.

02:03:17.000 So then slowly their cognitive ability is starting to diminish and their physical capability is starting to diminish.

02:03:26.000 But then they're on a platform that is in 10-12 foot waves that's slippery, and the water is 38 degrees.

02:03:36.000 So everything about what they're doing is setting them up to die.

02:03:41.000 So again, those are great shows.

02:03:44.000 I love it.

02:03:44.000 Deadliest Catch.

02:03:46.000 There's a handful of those shows now.

02:03:48.000 Yeah.

02:03:49.000 But I don't think it has ever gotten close enough to showing...

02:03:53.000 I mean, I always...

02:03:53.000 Man, I did that job for one day and I was like, I just need a break, dude.

02:03:58.000 I don't think there's any way you could really accurately portray it unless you did a 12-hour show.

02:04:03.000 Yeah.

02:04:03.000 Like, and showed you and then multiple 12-hour shows.

02:04:07.000 Yeah.

02:04:07.000 I mean, if they did a live stream of you, that would be the way to do it, right?

02:04:11.000 Like through satellite feeds somehow, have an internet connection, showing you fishing for 12, so you could just tune in.

02:04:17.000 Here's Tim, still fishing.

02:04:18.000 I'm gonna go to sleep.

02:04:19.000 I wake up eight hours later, get coffee, get breakfast.

02:04:22.000 Let me check out Tim.

02:04:23.000 Look at Tim, still awake.

02:04:24.000 One wrong step, one wrong knot.

02:04:27.000 And you gotta count on these other guys.

02:04:29.000 That are also exhausted.

02:04:31.000 You have one second.

02:04:32.000 You have one second to realize where that person went.

02:04:35.000 If he's in the water, one second, and he's under.

02:04:38.000 You know? 1.00

02:04:39.000 Fuck. 1.00

02:04:41.000 In 38 degree water. 1.00

02:04:42.000 With 12 foot swells.

02:04:44.000 And you've been out for 20 days.

02:04:46.000 And what kind of fish were you catching there?

02:04:49.000 There, I think we were pulling scallops.

02:04:51.000 Those were scabs.

02:04:52.000 The stuff I was just pushing off.

02:04:54.000 We weren't even using any of those.

02:04:55.000 We were just pushing them back into the ocean.

02:04:57.000 What do you mean by scabs?

02:04:59.000 They're like little stingrays.

02:05:01.000 Oh.

02:05:01.000 They'll chop them up for bait sometimes.

02:05:03.000 That's all the left stuff.

02:05:05.000 So the bucket to my left, that's all the fish that we had picked.

02:05:09.000 And this is the leftovers.

02:05:12.000 Whoa, that's an inefficient process.

02:05:15.000 That's crazy.

02:05:16.000 So all those things die, so you get what's in that bucket.

02:05:19.000 Oh, they're still alive.

02:05:20.000 Yeah, those go back in the water.

02:05:21.000 Oh, okay.

02:05:23.000 So what's in the bucket there?

02:05:25.000 Scallops.

02:05:29.000 Clams.

02:05:31.000 Wow, how crazy is that?

02:05:33.000 All that stuff gets scooped up, and you don't want it.

02:05:37.000 Mm-hmm.

02:05:40.000 That's bizarre.

02:05:41.000 Actually, I think a second after this photo was taken, I took a step, and I stepped on one of those things.

02:05:47.000 See, they kind of match when they're facing down.

02:05:50.000 Well, not when they're belly up, when they're white, but when they're brown and facing down.

02:05:53.000 It's the same color as the rust, the deck.

02:05:56.000 And I stepped on one that I thought was the deck.

02:05:59.000 And in my right hand right now, that is a...

02:06:02.000 It's a pike. 1.00

02:06:03.000 It's a spike with a nail sticking out the end of it.

02:06:06.000 That's what you use to sort.

02:06:08.000 And I step on this thing and I fly...

02:06:11.000 I mean, I swear my feet were all the way up at the top of that wall.

02:06:15.000 Five feet up in the air.

02:06:17.000 Just inverted.

02:06:18.000 Flying through the air with 12 foot swells in the sea.

02:06:22.000 And...

02:06:23.000 Holding on to that spike.

02:06:24.000 Holding on to that spike.

02:06:25.000 And I'm two feet, three feet from the edge of the boat.

02:06:28.000 Jesus Christ.

02:06:30.000 These guys do it all...

02:06:33.000 Day long.

02:06:35.000 I hope you like that fish that you walk to the supermarket and pluck out at Whole Foods.

02:06:41.000 It got there somehow.

02:06:43.000 If it says wild caught, it's freaking wild caught.

02:06:46.000 We have a real problem with the disconnect from things like that.

02:06:50.000 Disconnect from food.

02:06:52.000 Disconnect from how difficult these jobs are. 1.00

02:06:54.000 Where's the fucking power? 0.99

02:06:55.000 How's the power going back on? 1.00

02:06:56.000 Somebody's out there.

02:06:57.000 Somebody's out there in that blizzard.

02:07:01.000 I think that's one of the things that's wrong with society right now is everybody's just taking for granted everything about their lives.

02:07:09.000 They just want it easy.

02:07:10.000 They want it fast.

02:07:10.000 They want it quick.

02:07:11.000 That's why people are getting fat.

02:07:12.000 That's why they're going to the grocery store and getting the thing that's on sale.

02:07:15.000 That's why they're getting mad at guys like you that go and talk about hunting.

02:07:18.000 Because they just want the easy solution.

02:07:20.000 And truth be it, there isn't an easy solution that's the right solution.

02:07:25.000 Usually it's the hard way.

02:07:27.000 Usually.

02:07:28.000 Yeah, there can be a smart way.

02:07:30.000 And the smart way sometimes is the hard way.

02:07:32.000 But everybody wants this quick fix.

02:07:34.000 Everybody wants to take a pill and they feel better.

02:07:37.000 That's not how it works.

02:07:39.000 You know, like you can't, man, you're suffering from depression and you've been having these thoughts.

02:07:45.000 Cool, I'm going to take a pill and I'm going to feel better.

02:07:46.000 While that might be a portion of the solution, how about you lose 10% body fat?

02:07:51.000 How about you get off the couch?

02:07:52.000 How about you go make out with your wife? 1.00

02:07:54.000 How about you go down on her for a couple hours, give her a bunch of orgasms, you know, and then have sex with her and then go to the gym. 1.00

02:07:59.000 Promise you're going to feel better after that. 1.00

02:08:01.000 You know?

02:08:02.000 Instead, I'm just gonna do...

02:08:04.000 I'm gonna have this easy solution.

02:08:06.000 And it just doesn't work.

02:08:08.000 So, I mean, I think for me, this show is hopefully an opportunity to give people...

02:08:17.000 It's not that easy.

02:08:19.000 We've made a weird society.

02:08:21.000 We've made a society where we've nerfed all the hard edges.

02:08:24.000 And we're trying to make it safer and safer every day.

02:08:27.000 And there's some things that are just messy.

02:08:29.000 They're not going to be safe.

02:08:31.000 And by us making everything safer, it's making us weaker.

02:08:35.000 And every time that we've had a weak society...

02:08:39.000 We end up with tough times.

02:08:41.000 And then tough times make hard men.

02:08:43.000 Then hard men make good times.

02:08:45.000 Then good times make weak men.

02:08:47.000 Then weak men make hard...

02:08:48.000 You know, and this cycle just keeps going.

02:08:49.000 And right now we have weak...

02:08:52.000 We can't even...

02:08:54.000 Are we even allowed to say men?

02:08:56.000 There's some men out there.

02:08:57.000 There are some, but I don't even know if we're allowed...

02:08:59.000 Driving here to your studio, I saw the Girl Scouts office is one block away, and your neighbors that have no security cameras right back behind Fry's with their back door lodged open with...

02:09:29.000 Is that what's going on now?

02:09:31.000 Is that how they're doing it?

02:09:31.000 Yeah.

02:09:32.000 Yeah.

02:09:33.000 And a half a million scouts have left.

02:09:36.000 So what does that mean?

02:09:37.000 That if you go on these camping trips, the boys and the girls go together?

02:09:40.000 Yep.

02:09:40.000 That sounds like a good idea.

02:09:42.000 No, that's a bad idea. 0.99

02:09:43.000 Kids get raped? 0.99

02:09:44.000 Yep. 1.00

02:09:44.000 For sure. 1.00

02:09:45.000 It also changes things.

02:09:48.000 I don't know how I feel about...

02:09:51.000 I think women in the military should be able to go anywhere to include special operations if they meet the standard.

02:09:58.000 But...

02:10:00.000 When you have a girl present, it changes men act differently. 0.92

02:10:04.000 Yes.

02:10:05.000 Period.

02:10:06.000 And it changes the chemistry of the team.

02:10:08.000 And when you're trying to raise men, when you're trying to rear boys and have them becoming men, and you're doing these, you know, you're taking them horseback riding, or you're teaching them knots, or you're, you know, showing them how to set up a tent, or how to purify water.

02:10:25.000 If there's a girl there, Right. 0.99

02:10:34.000 Right.

02:10:43.000 Elements that are very beautifully separate, equally for girls.

02:10:47.000 Like, can we teach Christina that bowling? 1.00

02:10:51.000 Absolutely!

02:10:52.000 Can we teach her how to ride a horse? 1.00

02:10:53.000 100%.

02:10:54.000 Take her hunting.

02:10:54.000 Should we do everything that every one of these boys should be doing?

02:10:57.000 I believe so, yes.

02:10:58.000 But if there's a boy in that mix...

02:11:00.000 It changes things.

02:11:01.000 It changes things.

02:11:02.000 Yeah, that's why I've always been supportive of all-girl gyms. 0.99

02:11:06.000 I'm like, they should be able to have a fucking gym when no one's trying to bang them. 0.99

02:11:09.000 A hundred percent. 1.00

02:11:10.000 I mean, there's a lot of women that want to be able to go to the gym and not have somebody ogle them and stare at their ass while they're doing squats. 1.00

02:11:15.000 But all boys' gyms... 0.97

02:11:17.000 You watched the title fight...

02:11:18.000 That get squirrely.

02:11:19.000 ...this last weekend?

02:11:20.000 Which one?

02:11:21.000 Um...

02:11:21.000 Lomachenko?

02:11:22.000 Or...

02:11:23.000 Oh, that was beautiful.

02:11:24.000 Amanda.

02:11:24.000 Amanda Nunes?

02:11:25.000 Yeah, Amanda Nunes. 0.99

02:11:26.000 Yes, I did.

02:11:26.000 Do you think...

02:11:28.000 If those were two, so at the end of the, in between the fourth and fifth round, when Raquel Pennington said, I want out, and her team said no, that it would have been different if it was two male fighters. 0.60

02:11:43.000 I think it would have been.

02:11:44.000 I think it would have been as well.

02:11:45.000 Yeah.

02:11:47.000 One, I believe that had her team let her out, she would have regretted it the rest of her life.

02:11:56.000 The failure didn't happen by her team there in between the fourth and the fifth round.

02:12:01.000 It happened in preparation, getting her ready for that.

02:12:04.000 Because I think That...

02:12:09.000 Those words would never be uttered out of my mouth in the middle of the fight.

02:12:13.000 It would be my team begging and pleading for them to end the fight.

02:12:20.000 I don't know if there was a route for her to win that fight. 1.00

02:12:22.000 If there was a path to victory for her.

02:12:24.000 I don't think there was.

02:12:25.000 And I think she felt that.

02:12:27.000 But...

02:12:29.000 I think the journalists, the MMA media attacked her coaches unfairly.

02:12:35.000 One, because she's a girl. 0.81

02:12:37.000 I think that played a part in it.

02:12:39.000 Everybody's like, oh my gosh, this girl fighter in between four and five. 0.77

02:12:42.000 She's just a fighter, first of all. 1.00

02:12:44.000 And her coaches know her better than anybody.

02:12:46.000 I'm not defending what they did.

02:12:48.000 Or attacking them.

02:12:49.000 What I'm saying is, you're not on either side of that fence.

02:12:52.000 And you've never had your feet on that canvas and felt the fury and pain of defeat and the sweetness of success.

02:12:59.000 And the worst thing ever is regret.

02:13:04.000 You feel like she would have regretted it, even though you agree that there was no path to victory.

02:13:09.000 Yep.

02:13:09.000 I think Amanda Nunez was, she was surging, she was destroying her, her nose was shattered, she was getting beaten down, and she didn't have anything left.

02:13:18.000 True.

02:13:19.000 And so she's like, I want out.

02:13:21.000 You know, Big John McCarthy and I talked about this yesterday, and he feels that his, that the corner did a big disservice to her by letting her take a beating in that fifth round.

02:13:32.000 That every fight Take something out of you.

02:13:36.000 And some fights take more out of you.

02:13:37.000 And there comes a point in time where there's a tipping point fight.

02:13:41.000 And that that could have been the tipping point round.

02:13:44.000 That she might not ever be the same again.

02:13:46.000 And he was saying that, you know, you've got to understand that you only have a certain amount of holes you can punch in your ticket.

02:13:52.000 And if she, especially when you're talking about someone who's tough...

02:13:56.000 But that ticket's a fight card.

02:13:58.000 Right.

02:13:58.000 That's the ticket.

02:13:59.000 Yes.

02:14:00.000 It's not, she's not a janitor. 0.86

02:14:02.000 Right.

02:14:03.000 But she can live to fight again.

02:14:06.000 Or be beaten down so badly in that fight that she's never the same physically.

02:14:11.000 How many times have we talked about this with Robbie Lawler or Michael Bisbing?

02:14:15.000 But it might be the case with Robbie Lawler.

02:14:17.000 If you look at Robbie Lawler's last fight with Rafael Dos Anjos, he didn't really look like the Robbie Lawler of old.

02:14:22.000 Now, could that be because of Dos Anjos?

02:14:24.000 It very well could have been. 0.97

02:14:25.000 Dos Anjos is a beast. 0.96

02:14:26.000 No question about it. 0.90

02:14:27.000 Is it our business to tell him when he's done?

02:14:29.000 It's not.

02:14:30.000 It's not our business to tell him what he's done.

02:14:31.000 It's his ticket.

02:14:32.000 But it's his ticket.

02:14:33.000 What if he wants to quit?

02:14:34.000 If he says he wants out, like she said she wanted out.

02:14:38.000 There's certain times in a fight where someone says they want out.

02:14:42.000 Here's a good example.

02:14:43.000 Do you remember Jerry McClellan when he fought Nigel Benn?

02:14:46.000 This is the fight that put him into this catatonic state and bleeding on the brain.

02:14:51.000 People were criticizing him because he took a knee.

02:14:54.000 People were saying, like, the commentators were saying, what is he doing?

02:14:56.000 Why is he doing this? 0.98

02:14:57.000 Well, he fucking knew something was wrong. 0.99

02:14:59.000 And he took a knee and then blacked out and then eventually had bleeding on the brain. 1.00

02:15:03.000 Like, Gerald McClellan was a beast.

02:15:05.000 I mean, a world champion boxer.

02:15:06.000 But he knew something was wrong.

02:15:08.000 Now, if Raquel Pennington had said... 0.99

02:15:11.000 I want out.

02:15:12.000 And her coach said, no, go back in there. 1.00

02:15:14.000 And then she goes back in there and collapses and has bleeding in the brain and winds up in the same state as Gerald McClellan.

02:15:20.000 Then people would be going crazy.

02:15:25.000 I know your point because that's the kind of fighter you are.

02:15:28.000 That's the kind of fighter you were.

02:15:29.000 You were a die on your sword guy.

02:15:32.000 That's what you always did. 0.99

02:15:33.000 And you had some fucking amazing fights because of that attitude and that never quit mentality where you were in there to win or die trying. 0.93

02:15:44.000 God, I'm so scared of that regret, though. 0.93

02:15:46.000 I understand it.

02:15:59.000 Anticipating my money.

02:16:00.000 I'm already looking at him and be like, you know you're going to pay me for this one.

02:16:03.000 This is one hell of a fight, right?

02:16:05.000 Thinking about me destroying Michael Bisbee.

02:16:08.000 That's what I was already thinking about.

02:16:09.000 I already left the ring.

02:16:10.000 So I have that regret that nags at me. 1.00

02:16:13.000 I can't even imagine what the regret would be like for me not to go out.

02:16:18.000 I don't have post-traumatic stress, but all the things that nag at me, it's the things that I didn't do and it's the regrets.

02:16:26.000 But aren't those things what make you better?

02:16:28.000 The realization of the mistakes that you made, those are the lessons.

02:16:33.000 And that's what makes you a stronger person.

02:16:35.000 You don't get stronger by doing the right thing every single time. 0.99

02:16:39.000 Part of getting stronger is by fucking up and having this horrible feeling that you fucked up and realizing you never want to feel that again. 0.99

02:16:48.000 Yes. 1.00

02:16:49.000 That's how muscle and that's how a brain works is you damage it and it comes back stronger.

02:16:55.000 I think that's how the human condition is to a degree.

02:16:58.000 But the hurry to failure, the rush to failure or...

02:17:04.000 Yeah, that's how you get better, but I want that point where I'm going to fail to be so unattainable and so hard to reach, where if I ever reach that point of failure, and I mean, every time I go to the gym and I'm training on it, and I want you to come and hang out with us one day if you ever make it back to Austin,

02:17:21.000 and we try and find the quitter in each other every single time that we train.

02:17:26.000 Every time.

02:17:27.000 That's what we say.

02:17:28.000 We even have workouts called Find the Quitter.

02:17:30.000 And we have guys, professional athletes from all sorts of sports come in and join us.

02:17:34.000 And they will quit in the middle of one of our strength and conditioning workouts.

02:17:40.000 And it's because my little group, Shane, Juan, myself...

02:17:45.000 We are looking for that failure, and it's getting so hard to find.

02:17:50.000 Just like shooting.

02:17:51.000 I'm looking for that miss, because that miss is that opportunity that I'm going to get better.

02:17:54.000 I'm looking at that rep that I just can't get, or that 530 mile one more time, because that's going to be the opportunity for growth.

02:18:04.000 So I agree with you, but it also has to be hard to reach, because failure should never be easy.

02:18:09.000 So you think her being able to say, I want out, that she still had enough left to keep going?

02:18:14.000 I don't know.

02:18:15.000 I think only her and her corner are gonna know that.

02:18:17.000 I would say that I agree with you, except I have so much respect for her.

02:18:22.000 And I think she's one of the toughest girls in MMA. One of the toughest people in MMA. She's a fucking animal, Raquel Pennington. 1.00

02:18:28.000 She really is tough. 1.00

02:18:29.000 I'm a big fan of hers.

02:18:30.000 When someone like her says, I'm out, I'm done, I just think she's beaten down so badly.

02:18:37.000 That she doesn't physically have the ability to fight anymore.

02:18:41.000 And then she went out and proved that in the fifth round and took a ferocious beating. 1.00

02:18:45.000 But she agrees with you.

02:18:47.000 She agrees with her coaches.

02:18:49.000 She agrees.

02:18:49.000 She says now after the fact that her coaches were right and that she had hit this moment of weakness.

02:18:55.000 If I sit on the stool and I told my coaches, I want out.

02:19:00.000 You know, I got Greg Jackson, Winkle John, Nick Palmashano all sitting there and they let me out.

02:19:07.000 I would hate them forever.

02:19:11.000 I would.

02:19:12.000 I would regret my decision and I would be mad at them forever.

02:19:15.000 And they're some of my best friends now.

02:19:17.000 What if, right after you said that, you collapsed and they took you to the hospital and they had to open up your skull to alleviate pressure on your brain because you were bleeding internally and your legs stopped working and you're in a wheelchair like Gerald McClellan trying to relive the past through distant,

02:19:35.000 foggy memories.

02:19:37.000 That would be less than ideal.

02:19:39.000 Yeah, that would be less than ideal.

02:19:40.000 For sure.

02:19:41.000 Well, I understand what you're saying.

02:19:42.000 It's like the balance of the physical limitations of the human body and then the limitations of the mind and the mind's willingness to find a way out.

02:19:49.000 Yeah.

02:19:50.000 Which brings me to the one thing that I wanted to get to before we leave this is waterboarding.

02:19:54.000 Yeah.

02:19:55.000 And this is something that came up because you were defending...

02:20:00.000 What is her name?

02:20:00.000 Gail...

02:20:01.000 Gina. 0.99

02:20:02.000 Gina. 0.99

02:20:02.000 What is her name? 0.99

02:20:03.000 Haspel.

02:20:04.000 And she is the person that was being appointed to lead the CIA. And there was a bunch of people that were saying that she shouldn't be because she advocated torture.

02:20:14.000 And you, to defend her...

02:20:17.000 Decided to get waterboarded.

02:20:21.000 We've actually been talking about this for the past hour and a half.

02:20:25.000 We've been talking about the slow erosion of the human condition.

02:20:33.000 Us getting softer and us getting weaker and us nerfing the edges and finding the easy outs and the easy solution.

02:20:41.000 The conversation of middle ground, finding a way that we can communicate with people and have a discussion.

02:20:46.000 So we've been having this discussion for the past 90 minutes.

02:20:49.000 And what I have is a bunch of people that are saying what something is, but they don't know what that is.

02:20:59.000 Man, I know what torture is.

02:21:01.000 I've seen it in Africa.

02:21:03.000 I've seen it in South America.

02:21:04.000 I've seen it in the Middle East.

02:21:06.000 I've seen it on almost, I'm pushing 20 trips overseas in a military capacity.

02:21:11.000 A handful of combat deployments, you know, from looking for poachers, human traffickers, drug cartel, kind of piracy.

02:21:21.000 The things that I have done, like, you want to talk about knowing intimately what torture is? 0.94

02:21:25.000 I fucking know what torture is. 0.96

02:21:28.000 Pouring water on somebody's face is not torture. 0.99

02:21:31.000 If you starve them, if you beat them, if you isolate them, if they're there for, you know, you're the only getting, yes, we can start adding things onto it. 0.65

02:21:40.000 But the thing that was the most irritating was everybody's just throwing out this, let's talk about morality, and this woman is immoral to be in this position. 1.00

02:21:49.000 I remember people jumping to their deaths on 9-11 because they didn't want to get burnt alive, right?

02:21:56.000 And then I saw a guy on his knees and have his throat slit open by somebody pulling his hair back and sliding that knife across his throat.

02:22:05.000 That was one of the guys that she interrogated.

02:22:07.000 Now, I'm not saying two wrongs made a right, but she interrogated them to get questions out of them to try to save more Americans.

02:22:14.000 The intent was to try to save more lives.

02:22:17.000 They say, okay, well, if it's not that bad, Then, why did it work?

02:22:22.000 And this is why.

02:22:23.000 This is what nobody understands.

02:22:25.000 And it's because they can't understand the difference between the easy way and the hard way. 0.99

02:22:30.000 It's because these people that we were waterboarding are cowards. 1.00

02:22:34.000 They were pussies. 1.00

02:22:35.000 They were impotent little bullies their whole entire lives. 1.00

02:22:38.000 If I put you on that waterboard, I could waterboard you for days.

02:22:41.000 You have your moral convictions and you would never change.

02:22:44.000 Because you believe in what's right and wrong.

02:22:46.000 And that's a great and beautiful thing.

02:22:47.000 They're not you. 1.00

02:22:49.000 They are pieces of shit that throw acid on little girls, that fly planes into buildings because it's capitalist. 1.00

02:22:57.000 That's who these people are, and they're only tough when they're surrounded by 60, 70 other of their friends. 1.00

02:23:04.000 But you take one of them away from that, and you put them in a position where they're powerless, and that's what waterboarding is, they're powerless, and they cave, and they cower in seconds.

02:23:16.000 I don't need to drive a nail through their hands.

02:23:18.000 I don't need to pull their teeth out. 0.99

02:23:19.000 I don't need to take a drill bit and drive it through their fingernails. 1.00

02:23:22.000 That's torture. 0.99

02:23:24.000 This is us pouring water on a coward's face and they freak out. 0.80

02:23:28.000 And people can't understand that because they can't understand what these people are. 1.00

02:23:34.000 They're animals.

02:23:36.000 These aren't beautiful religious people that are trying to do the best thing for the families. 1.00

02:23:42.000 These people were the worst of our kind.

02:23:46.000 These were the Nazis of the 1940s. 0.71

02:23:49.000 But this is the current version of it.

02:23:51.000 These radical fanatics that are doing anything for any reason to hurt anybody so they can feel better about themselves.

02:23:57.000 And you take them out of that power.

02:23:59.000 You take them out of that control.

02:24:01.000 You take them out of that opportunity where they can be the bully.

02:24:04.000 And they're just shadows of themselves.

02:24:06.000 And then they give you everything that you need.

02:24:08.000 And what you need is an opportunity to save more lives.

02:24:11.000 Well, there's two things that were discussed about this.

02:24:15.000 One, that your situation that you were in was not in any way similar to the situation they were in because you were doing it with your friends.

02:24:23.000 You knew you were going to be okay.

02:24:25.000 You willingly did this.

02:24:27.000 The whole process was very controlled.

02:24:30.000 You weren't being held by people who spoke a different language in a country that hates you.

02:24:36.000 It's a situation where you knew you were safe.

02:24:40.000 So you could relax yourself and calm down and tolerate it to the point where you knew that you would be okay.

02:24:46.000 Yep.

02:24:47.000 And what was the other side?

02:24:48.000 The other side is, if torture works, isn't that the best form of torture?

02:24:56.000 You're going to be okay.

02:24:57.000 I mean, if torture does work, and I don't know if torture works, I've never been tortured, I've never been around torture, and I know there's a debate in both ways.

02:25:05.000 Torture doesn't work.

02:25:06.000 It doesn't work.

02:25:07.000 So that's not torture.

02:25:08.000 No.

02:25:09.000 So you feel like that works, but torture doesn't.

02:25:12.000 So I think, maybe we're arguing about vernacular and verbs.

02:25:17.000 Well, you're forcing someone to do something they don't want to do, and you're freaking them out.

02:25:21.000 Yeah.

02:25:21.000 You're doing something physical to them.

02:25:25.000 So, I think we just have to define torture.

02:25:28.000 If it's me doing something to somebody that makes them uncomfortable is torture.

02:25:33.000 I mean, me asking a pointed question at somebody in an interrogation room down at LAPD could be torture.

02:25:40.000 Right.

02:25:41.000 You know? 0.78

02:25:41.000 If you smack them in the face, does it become torture? 0.78

02:25:43.000 Yeah, is that torture? 0.87

02:25:45.000 Right. 0.87

02:25:46.000 What if I hit them with a phone book?

02:25:48.000 Maybe the problem is the word.

02:25:49.000 Maybe the problem is defining the word.

02:25:51.000 I mean, they called it enhanced interrogation techniques.

02:25:55.000 If you're trying to get information out of someone that would save American lives, it seems to me, I may be ignorant, but waterboarding seems to me to be one of the most humane ways to do it.

02:26:07.000 I agree with that.

02:26:08.000 You're not going to do any permanent damage to the person.

02:26:10.000 It's not like what they did to John McCain when he was a prisoner in Vietnam. 0.64

02:26:15.000 That disturbed the shit out of me when that guy was on Fox News and he called him Songbird McCain. 0.87

02:26:20.000 Because he was saying that torture worked on McCain. 0.98

02:26:25.000 How could you stoop like that?

02:26:27.000 How could you do that?

02:26:28.000 You know what that guy's been through to humiliate him and humiliate yourself by taking that position on television like that.

02:26:36.000 It was so disappointing.

02:26:39.000 About usable information.

02:26:42.000 We're questioning, and if you cross that threshold of torture, where you are doing damage, physical damage, where they'll tell you anything, that's not usable information.

02:26:53.000 Right.

02:26:53.000 You're gonna say that you've been, you know, dating your producer for, you know, seven years, and secretly, like, I could get you to say anything under the right conditions.

02:27:01.000 That doesn't do any good.

02:27:03.000 Because you just want to stop the pain.

02:27:03.000 Yeah, just anything to make it stop.

02:27:06.000 That's not what was happening here.

02:27:08.000 And when we start talking about morality, if they're saying, okay, if this is a moral act, then, okay, does this make me and all of my friends that have done all sorts of, in some cases, terrible things, are we now a moral people?

02:27:20.000 Because we did it in the interest of protecting our country and serving our country and providing protection for our freedoms.

02:27:28.000 And I know those are cliche phrases that people grab onto, and I don't want to, but By extension, throwing and lobbing those accusations at her extend to me and to the things that I've done.

02:27:43.000 And I think I'm a very moral person.

02:27:46.000 And I try to be...

02:27:48.000 Good person in every way I can imagine.

02:27:51.000 I'm not perfect.

02:27:52.000 I'm not but I try and The politics of Bleeding over and misusing words manipulating everything just so it fits your agenda But nobody's in the middle of ground.

02:28:04.000 Nobody's agreeing and nobody has the best interest at heart and that's the people like the best interest should always be serving the people and None of them are doing that.

02:28:14.000 They only care about What is going to get them re-elected?

02:28:18.000 Or what's going to give them more power?

02:28:19.000 What's going to give them more clout for the next vote?

02:28:23.000 What's going to give a little handout from the president?

02:28:26.000 Whatever games that happen on the beltway, that was an example of that in the most...

02:28:33.000 Horrible of ways because it came down to human lives.

02:28:36.000 It came down to somebody that had been serving their country since the 80s in the best way that she knew how, in the ways that were legal for her to do it, and everybody else just manipulating the narrative to fit their agenda.

02:28:48.000 When I'm just sitting here being like, How about the people and how about freedom?

02:28:52.000 Who's fighting for us?

02:28:53.000 Are you guys just going to keep bickering about this?

02:28:56.000 So me strapping myself to that board, I'll tell you it's harder.

02:29:01.000 Do what's easy is to lay there strapped and have somebody put water on your face.

02:29:05.000 Do what's hard?

02:29:07.000 What I did to Steven Crowder Watch his hands where he'd reach up and pull.

02:29:12.000 He couldn't take it.

02:29:15.000 He would pull the rag off his face.

02:29:16.000 See how many times I pulled the rag off my face?

02:29:19.000 Not once, right?

02:29:20.000 Every single time I said, no, no, pour longer.

02:29:22.000 No, no, use the hose. 0.94

02:29:24.000 Use the bucket. 0.96

02:29:25.000 Right now you're at a two.

02:29:26.000 I need you at an eight.

02:29:27.000 No, I need CIA interrogation, friends, right?

02:29:31.000 And I'm sitting there willingly with my hands, with the sensation of me drowning as that water's running into my sinuses, showing.

02:29:39.000 That was intentional.

02:29:40.000 I understand people are like, oh no, he was safe, he wasn't even tied down.

02:29:43.000 I did that to demonstrate how a man of resolve can do it effortlessly, and how it's not torture.

02:29:52.000 Because I could willingly lay there with my hands free to pull the rag off at any juncture.

02:29:56.000 But I didn't.

02:29:57.000 I just sat there and I asked for more.

02:30:00.000 I understand that.

02:30:01.000 But I also understand the position that people take where they say, you knew you were safe.

02:30:06.000 And so this is why you had this resolve.

02:30:08.000 You're not in enemy soil, being interrogated by ISIS, being strapped down by them, where you didn't know what was next.

02:30:16.000 If you got through this, what would be next?

02:30:18.000 Let's say Rachel Maddow from MSNBC, because we agree on so much.

02:30:22.000 She's like, hey, I want you to come onto my show.

02:30:24.000 I'm going to bring in five CIA interrogators, and we're going to do it live.

02:30:29.000 You're in control of nothing.

02:30:31.000 Do you think the result would be any different for me?

02:30:33.000 It's not the same because you're on a television show and you're still...

02:30:36.000 Americans are going to do this to you. 1.00

02:30:38.000 You haven't been captured.

02:30:39.000 You're not an enemy soil.

02:30:41.000 You're not being spit on by ISIS. So how far do we have to go?

02:30:44.000 You have to kind of be...

02:30:45.000 I know.

02:30:46.000 The person who's really captured is really captured.

02:30:49.000 It's not a game.

02:30:51.000 It's like if you get choked out in the street, you can't tap out.

02:30:54.000 If you get in a physical fight to the death of someone and they take your back, you can't tap out.

02:30:59.000 In this situation, you know you can tap out.

02:31:02.000 You know that even if it's CIA interrogating you and they're yelling at you, there's a part of your brain that knows I'm on Rachel Maddow's show.

02:31:11.000 They don't kill soldiers on Rachel Maddow's show.

02:31:14.000 This is true.

02:31:15.000 So I don't know how I could better have illustrated.

02:31:18.000 I think you did a fantastic job.

02:31:19.000 I think the problem lies in it's impossible to really recreate it without you being an actual prisoner of war.

02:31:24.000 Yeah.

02:31:26.000 Do you know what we do?

02:31:30.000 Reverse the roles.

02:31:31.000 We're talking about snatching these guys from their bomb-making facility and whisking them to Abu Ghraib and pouring water on their face. 0.87

02:31:39.000 What happens to me and my friends when we're captured?

02:31:43.000 Are we waterboarded?

02:31:44.000 No.

02:31:45.000 No, I'm not saying that what they do to us makes what we do to them right.

02:31:48.000 What I'm saying is...

02:31:50.000 It's better.

02:31:52.000 I'm saying it.

02:31:53.000 It's better.

02:31:53.000 I mean, that's what I was saying before.

02:31:54.000 If it is torture, if you want to use the word torture like we'd use the words drugs, right?

02:31:59.000 Drugs are coffee and it's also heroin, right?

02:32:02.000 They're all drugs.

02:32:03.000 Caffeine is a drug, right?

02:32:05.000 Yeah.

02:32:05.000 Torture.

02:32:06.000 If you're just going to say torture, I'll take that torture every day.

02:32:10.000 If that's what that is. 0.98

02:32:11.000 Yeah, because even if it sucks. 0.99

02:32:12.000 Yeah, I'm going to be burnt alive. 0.99

02:32:14.000 I'm going to be slowly, carefully, methodically, painfully murdered. 0.99

02:32:20.000 Yeah. 0.98

02:32:22.000 That's my only option.

02:32:24.000 There is never any other option if I got captured.

02:32:27.000 There's no moral equivalency.

02:32:29.000 I think we can both agree.

02:32:30.000 There's no, I mean, between us and them, there's not.

02:32:33.000 But here's the thing.

02:32:35.000 McCain himself said that she shouldn't be appointed because she willingly participated in torture. 0.77

02:32:41.000 He said that.

02:32:43.000 What did you think about that?

02:32:45.000 I, one, respect his opinion.

02:32:46.000 The things that he has done, whether we agree on things Is irrelevant.

02:32:52.000 His resume speaks for its spell.

02:32:53.000 I agree.

02:32:54.000 And I think very few people could speak to torture better than him.

02:32:59.000 I agree with that as well.

02:33:00.000 So, him coming from that position and saying that she isn't eligible to serve...

02:33:08.000 It's a very powerful statement.

02:33:09.000 I also feel that I'm pretty intimately familiar with torture and that I understand the full spectrum of what somebody can do selflessly for their country and selfishly for their own satisfaction as a psychopath.

02:33:26.000 Like Zarkawi's enforcer that would go around and kill people in front of their own family members and carried around a battery-powered drill.

02:33:34.000 I saw that.

02:33:35.000 We tracked him.

02:33:36.000 So...

02:33:40.000 I also know that when she was doing all of these things for her whole entire career, one, you have to look at the context of the time and what was happening.

02:33:52.000 And when she did every single one of those things, they were authorized techniques.

02:33:56.000 They were encouraged.

02:33:58.000 They were successful in some degrees, to some degree.

02:34:02.000 And so she was trying to do the best that she could with the, in some cases, limitations that she had.

02:34:10.000 And I think that is a trait that I want in somebody leading the CIA. That is that they're going to do the best that they can with what they have and what they're allowed to do and I like that.

02:34:25.000 I'm also a bulldog.

02:34:26.000 I realize that.

02:34:27.000 But this isn't someone who's talking about this in the comfort of a boardroom.

02:34:31.000 This is someone who's dealing with it in a time of war, and you're dealing with some of the most horrible people that we've ever experienced that are making these videos of cutting journalists' heads off and sending them to their families.

02:34:42.000 I mean, this is really what we were experiencing.

02:34:47.000 When people were deciding to use these enhanced interrogation techniques, this is what they were up against.

02:34:54.000 This isn't something you can discuss in a classroom and get a full sense of the tone and what was happening in these people's lives.

02:35:04.000 9-11 was the tip of the iceberg.

02:35:06.000 When that happened, there were hundreds of other plans to do similar things.

02:35:13.000 That one was just successful.

02:35:15.000 They had been trying others, and they have tried others since.

02:35:17.000 Whether it's a shoe bomb, whether it's a Paris train, whether it's a San Bernardino bombing, whether it's a garbage truck in France.

02:35:26.000 Or London Bridge.

02:35:28.000 They have consistently been trying to do that and duplicate and replicate that.

02:35:34.000 The reason that it hasn't happened again to that scale, to that level, is because of the uncompromising selflessness of heroes trying to protect Americans.

02:35:49.000 Now, I don't want to go into what is the greater good?

02:35:53.000 Okay, are we losing morality?

02:35:54.000 I mean, that's a rabbit hole that we could talk about forever, but Man, I just want to preserve life.

02:36:00.000 Why do you think that concept is so hard for people to grasp?

02:36:03.000 Because it's scary.

02:36:04.000 Well, not just that but the concept that the reason why this hasn't happened more often is because of these people doing the hard work Why is that so hard for people to understand and appreciate?

02:36:15.000 They can't even understand hard work. 0.90

02:36:17.000 I just made a goddamn TV show just so they could see for the first time that people work hard so they can have food. 0.98

02:36:23.000 They can work hard so they can have oil and they can have power. 0.99

02:36:26.000 Like, people...

02:36:27.000 Man, look at a post...

02:36:29.000 When I don't have a shirt on, everybody says, man, Tim's loving being off USADA. I've looked the same since I was 19 years old.

02:36:37.000 I have looked exactly like this with the same 8-pack, with the same muscle definition since I was an 18-year-old kid.

02:36:43.000 I don't even know how many times I've been tested from the military, for USADA, to different events.

02:36:48.000 I've been clean my whole entire career, but nobody can, in their mind, they can't understand to get from here to there is hard work.

02:36:57.000 No, there has to be an easier way.

02:36:58.000 It has to be steroids, or it has to be this, or it has to be that.

02:37:00.000 It's the same way.

02:37:01.000 They're protected and they're safe, but they can't grasp the idea of the hard work that it took to keep them there.

02:37:08.000 I don't even think they're thinking that deeply into it. 1.00

02:37:10.000 I think they're just talking shit. 1.00

02:37:11.000 I think people see you, you look jacked, like, steroids! 1.00

02:37:14.000 I don't think there's that much thought involved in that.

02:37:16.000 But I think it's the same lack of thought.

02:37:18.000 It's the same lack of consideration of what it took for us currently to be safe.

02:37:24.000 And what it still takes for us to be safe.

02:37:29.000 That's the departure.

02:37:31.000 That's the break in the thought process is they just want the easiest way and they don't want to even believe that this hard way is the way that actually has happened.

02:37:40.000 What is the alternative?

02:37:42.000 What's the alternative suggestion?

02:37:44.000 Instead of enhanced interrogation techniques, waterboarding, instead of letting the CIA do what it's done up until now, what is the alternative?

02:37:53.000 I mean, what has anybody offered in, you know, in response to that?

02:37:58.000 Like, instead of doing it that way, do it this way.

02:38:00.000 I mean, now we're just leaving them in...

02:38:02.000 Nothing!

02:38:02.000 We're leaving them all be great for how long?

02:38:06.000 Years?

02:38:07.000 Years?

02:38:08.000 You know, it's like now they're in perpetual purgatory for eternity.

02:38:16.000 There is no other solution.

02:38:17.000 Nobody's presented one.

02:38:18.000 They're just complaining about the options.

02:38:19.000 Exactly.

02:38:20.000 But that's the point.

02:38:21.000 No one said, look, the CIA's done a terrible job.

02:38:25.000 This is the way to do it right.

02:38:26.000 They're just saying, don't torture people.

02:38:30.000 And I agree with that.

02:38:31.000 Yeah.

02:38:31.000 Don't shoot people with paintball pellets.

02:38:34.000 Don't shoot them with bullets. 0.99

02:38:36.000 Hit them with rubber bats. 0.99

02:38:37.000 Don't hit them with... 0.99

02:38:38.000 What are they saying?

02:38:39.000 What are they saying?

02:38:41.000 Do you think part of the problem is the vast majority of the population will never truly understand combat?

02:38:46.000 They'll never truly understand what people are capable of in the worst case scenario.

02:38:51.000 God, I hope so.

02:38:52.000 I mean, I hope that 99% of this population never has to see any of the things that we've seen.

02:38:59.000 Otherwise, I've failed.

02:39:01.000 Do you think that maybe it wouldn't be the worst idea in the world to force people to have some sort of mandatory service, whether it's mandatory service in...

02:39:13.000 The Coast Guard or whether it's the Peace Corps or whether it's the military, just some service of your country for a predetermined period of time, like they do in Israel, like they do in South Korea, like they do in several other countries.

02:39:26.000 Yeah, I would love that.

02:39:27.000 Do you think that that would fix things?

02:39:29.000 I think it could help.

02:39:30.000 Or at least give people an understanding of what's required.

02:39:32.000 Like, send people to Afghanistan for six months. 0.99

02:39:35.000 Let people understand, like, holy shit, like goddamn Kansas is pretty fucking badass, isn't it? 0.99

02:39:40.000 How about you send them to El Paso? 1.00

02:39:42.000 Yeah.

02:39:42.000 Have them work them down there on the border.

02:39:44.000 Go to Juarez.

02:39:44.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:39:45.000 I mean, understand that the world is not San Francisco.

02:39:50.000 There are dark places.

02:39:51.000 And you could see that on CNN all you want.

02:39:55.000 Look at it on RT. Until you can smell it.

02:39:58.000 Right.

02:39:58.000 Until you live it.

02:40:00.000 I have to take these pills every single day, which give me the shits. 0.99

02:40:03.000 Otherwise, I get malaria. 0.99

02:40:05.000 Right.

02:40:05.000 Are all these people walking around, are they taking these pills?

02:40:08.000 Oh, they're not.

02:40:10.000 Some of them have...

02:40:12.000 Having that reality sink into them.

02:40:15.000 I'm going to eat that goat, and I have to pull the pieces of hair out of my own mouth.

02:40:20.000 That's the reality for the majority of the world.

02:40:24.000 I would love for somebody to force everybody to have a taste of hard work.

02:40:31.000 Well, everybody wants something free, right?

02:40:33.000 They want the government to do many things for them, provide services and do things for free.

02:40:37.000 But the government is essentially just a group of us.

02:40:40.000 A group of bad versions of us.

02:40:43.000 Yeah, I don't want anybody telling me I have to go do something.

02:40:46.000 I don't want anybody telling me I have to go serve somewhere.

02:40:48.000 But I don't think it's the worst option to get people...

02:40:51.000 If we really hit a pivotal point where people have such a complete lack of appreciation and understanding of what it takes to make the world work correctly...

02:41:01.000 That might be one of the only viable solutions, is some sort of mandatory service for some agreed-upon period of time.

02:41:10.000 Especially when you're young.

02:41:11.000 I think a warfighter should always and only be volunteer.

02:41:16.000 I agree with you.

02:41:17.000 But man, serving your country for two years, working on the border, working in a homeless shelter, humanitarian aid, working in a hospital.

02:41:27.000 I mean, all the different things that we could do with all of these people that would have their eyes opened.

02:41:35.000 I think it would strengthen people, too.

02:41:37.000 It could.

02:41:37.000 I think it could.

02:41:38.000 Their character, their soul, their bodies, their minds, all of it.

02:41:42.000 Yeah, just being forced to understand that there's a lot of messy work that's required to make this thing work correctly, and we all benefit from it.

02:41:49.000 But a lot of us benefit from it and just sit at home and play video games and eat Cheetos and do nothing.

02:41:54.000 And you still complain about Mexicans sneaking in. 1.00

02:41:59.000 It's fucking crazy. 1.00

02:42:01.000 Everything that we want. 0.98

02:42:04.000 Whether it's like success or food, good looks, a beautiful girlfriend, a beautiful boyfriend, all of that is always just on the far side of hard work.

02:42:15.000 Everything.

02:42:17.000 I don't know, there's some dudes that are never going to get a hot chick. 1.00

02:42:19.000 You work all day. 0.99

02:42:23.000 There's some shit rolls of the dice out there genetically that's just never going to pan out. 0.97

02:42:27.000 Everything I've ever wanted has always been, and everything I've ever had, everything I've ever gained, every Bit of who I am has always been on the far side of hard work. 0.98

02:42:40.000 Blaine Armstrong and I were talking and arguing about performance enhancing drugs.

02:42:46.000 I fought for two world titles and I lost two world titles.

02:42:50.000 He won seven.

02:42:52.000 But he was in the dirtiest of dirty sports.

02:42:54.000 Yeah.

02:42:55.000 I mean...

02:42:56.000 And he's like, doesn't Tim Kennedy, world champion, doesn't that sound better?

02:43:02.000 And yeah, it does.

02:43:04.000 It does.

02:43:05.000 But I would have lost everything because everything I've ever had has been from hard work and that would have been easy.

02:43:13.000 Is he trying to justify his own existence, though?

02:43:15.000 I mean, what's happening there?

02:43:16.000 And also, it's a different sport.

02:43:18.000 You know, it's just a different thing between...

02:43:19.000 No one gets hurt if you take EPO and you run your bike faster.

02:43:23.000 No one gets hurt.

02:43:24.000 If you're on something and it allows you to beat someone's brains in better, and you walk away from a title knowing that you cheated but the guy you beat was natural, that, to a guy like you, is a torture.

02:43:36.000 You're gonna be in prison the rest of your life with that thought bouncing around in your head.

02:43:43.000 That's not the same thing.

02:43:45.000 It's just not the same thing.

02:43:48.000 Guys like Vitor Belfort, who failed multiple tests, were world champions multiple times.

02:43:54.000 Sort of.

02:43:55.000 He really only won once against Randy, and it's because Randy got cut.

02:43:58.000 Remember he got that crazy eye cut?

02:44:00.000 And he won the tournament when he was 19, but even then he was sauced up.

02:44:04.000 So, he still feels like a world champion.

02:44:07.000 To him.

02:44:08.000 I would never want that.

02:44:09.000 I'm not rationalizing it.

02:44:10.000 But he paid the price though.

02:44:12.000 Yeah, he is.

02:44:13.000 And he will pay the price.

02:44:14.000 But I mean, he paid the price physically.

02:44:16.000 You look at the transformation between TRT Vitor that knocked out Luke Rockhold with the wheel kick and Michael Bisping and Dan Henderson. 1.00

02:44:22.000 He was a fucking monster. 0.99

02:44:24.000 And then the deflated... 1.00

02:44:26.000 Version of him where his body, his endocrine systems failed, he doesn't produce testosterone anymore, can't take a punch anymore, he doesn't look even remotely similar to what he used to look like.

02:44:36.000 It's, um...

02:44:39.000 Look at the difference between him and then look at Yoel Romero, okay?

02:44:42.000 Yoel Romero is 40, 41 years old.

02:44:45.000 Yeah, he looks the same. 0.99

02:44:47.000 He's older than Vitor, and he's fucking jacked. 0.99

02:44:49.000 Obviously, you're dealing with significant genetic advantage. 0.99

02:44:53.000 And Yoel said that when he was on the podcast, you know, it was a great podcast.

02:44:56.000 I don't know if you saw it, but Joey Diaz translated for him back and forth, and then he spoke Spanish, and then Joey translated it to English.

02:45:02.000 But he said, if you go to Cuba, it's like regular people, regular people that you see, bus drivers, jacked.

02:45:07.000 He's like, you're dealing with a phenomenal gene pool over there.

02:45:11.000 Baseball players that come out and they touch the ball and it goes over the fence.

02:45:14.000 Yeah, I mean, they're freaks.

02:45:15.000 Sprinters.

02:45:16.000 Listen, this is the dark...

02:45:19.000 Dark aspects of the slave trade.

02:45:21.000 I mean, this is what you're dealing with, the best of the best, the strongest, most athletic, the ones who can work the hardest.

02:45:27.000 Those are the ones they wanted.

02:45:28.000 I mean, that is essentially a big part of the gene pool that is Cuba.

02:45:32.000 Then you deal with the decades and decades of extremely high-level athletic performance with all these different sports and all these different programs where they develop the very best athletes in their area.

02:45:48.000 I mean, they just, the wrestlers, the boxers, the judo players.

02:45:52.000 I mean, phenomenal athletes.

02:45:54.000 And the gene pool is just outstanding.

02:45:57.000 Yeah.

02:45:58.000 The, um...

02:46:02.000 Hector Lombard, another physical example, but looking at Vidor's body shrink and UL stay the same, mine stay the same.

02:46:13.000 What do you think the heart, not the actual beating cardiovascular system, but like the soul of Vidor, he visibly looked deflated.

02:46:25.000 In every one of his fights post USADA. He knows he's going into that in a compromised state.

02:46:32.000 So when he was going into it, when he got tested, one of the reasons why the whole testosterone placement therapy got eliminated is Vitor got tested randomly and he was off the charts.

02:46:44.000 To the point, like superhuman levels of testosterone. 0.99

02:46:47.000 They're like, what in the fuck are you doing, man? 0.99

02:46:49.000 Like, you have this massive advantage and massive confidence advantage and just physically looks like a demon, right? 0.99

02:46:59.000 When that's gone...

02:47:01.000 Now you're less than a regular man.

02:47:04.000 Physically and mentally. 0.88

02:47:05.000 Physically and mentally.

02:47:06.000 Because you're tired all the time.

02:47:08.000 Your body's tired.

02:47:09.000 You're not producing good levels of testosterone.

02:47:12.000 He talked about it openly.

02:47:13.000 They tested his testosterone.

02:47:15.000 It's like the testosterone of a 70-year-old man.

02:47:17.000 And he's fighting in a cage for a living at a very high level.

02:47:22.000 I don't know.

02:47:23.000 The...

02:47:26.000 I still think it comes down to hard work, I think. 0.97

02:47:30.000 It certainly does, but all the hard work in the world, if you're built like, you know, fucking Kevin Smith, no disrespect, Kevin, I love you. 0.97

02:47:39.000 You can work as hard as you want. 0.99

02:47:41.000 Yeah, just fucking Yolo Romero's gonna pound your face into the dirt every time. 0.99

02:47:45.000 But Kevin Smith is a millionaire that is massively successful in what he wants to do, and that dude works hard. 0.99

02:47:53.000 Super smart that he didn't go into cage fighting.

02:47:55.000 Yeah, and he works hard.

02:47:57.000 Yes, he does.

02:47:57.000 You go all the way back to the beginning when he's writing scripts and he's doing stand-up comedy, that dude was the first there, the last to leave.

02:48:05.000 And then his success is unquestioned.

02:48:09.000 Yeah, no, I agree with you 100%.

02:48:11.000 He most certainly worked hard, but I'm talking about genetics.

02:48:16.000 Francis Ngannou has freakish genetics.

02:48:20.000 I mean, you know, obviously Stipe Miocic also has very good genetics, still a giant person.

02:48:26.000 But the genetics that Francis has in comparison to the average person, you can work all you want.

02:48:33.000 You're not competing with that. 0.98

02:48:37.000 There's some people that just get a shit roll of the dice. 0.99

02:48:39.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:48:39.000 He also lost his title fight, though. 0.99

02:48:42.000 But he lost to Stipe, who's also got pretty fucking phenomenal genetics. 0.96

02:48:46.000 He's a giant dude. 1.00

02:48:47.000 He's tough as shit. 0.99

02:48:48.000 He's very skilled and has just a lifetime championship level experience. 0.99

02:48:53.000 I don't want to say anything nice about that guy, first of all.

02:48:55.000 It's hard for me to say anything nice about him.

02:48:58.000 But...

02:48:58.000 That guy worked hard.

02:49:00.000 Worked hard. 1.00

02:49:01.000 Tough as shit. 1.00

02:49:02.000 Became the world champion. 1.00

02:49:04.000 And he looks...

02:49:05.000 He's had a dad bod for forever.

02:49:08.000 I don't ever remember looking at him and being like, that's a scary dude.

02:49:11.000 I look at him and I'm like, God, I want to fight him. 0.99

02:49:13.000 And then take that British accent and shove it down his throat. 1.00

02:49:16.000 And then make fun of him. 0.98

02:49:17.000 Then make more videos about him.

02:49:18.000 Then beat him up again.

02:49:19.000 Well, he's been clean his whole career and never looked like a guy who was doing anything suspicious.

02:49:25.000 And his hard work.

02:49:27.000 Hard work.

02:49:27.000 That made him the world champion.

02:49:29.000 And toughness.

02:49:29.000 Yes.

02:49:29.000 God, and toughness.

02:49:30.000 Alright, no more talking nice about that guy.

02:49:33.000 Let's talk about anything else but that.

02:49:35.000 But after you're retired, can't you just let it go with a guy like him? 1.00

02:49:38.000 Or did you guys talk so much shit? 1.00

02:49:39.000 No, I'm just talking shit still. 1.00

02:49:41.000 Yeah, no, totally. 0.99

02:49:42.000 Man, I've never really had a real problem with anybody.

02:49:45.000 You know, in 17 years as a professional fighter, I mean, I could pick a couple of instances.

02:49:51.000 Mike and I would never be friends.

02:49:53.000 We're not going to go drink a pint together.

02:49:55.000 Why not, though?

02:49:57.000 I think we're just different people.

02:49:58.000 But why not now?

02:49:59.000 If he retires and you retire...

02:50:01.000 I mean, I just don't know what we're going to...

02:50:03.000 We're just different.

02:50:04.000 If you're in the airport one day...

02:50:05.000 Yeah, we'd totally hang out.

02:50:07.000 ...run into each other.

02:50:07.000 You're at a bar.

02:50:08.000 You're like, let me buy you a drink, you fuck. 1.00

02:50:10.000 But it's like, what are we talking about? 1.00

02:50:11.000 Hunting?

02:50:11.000 Are we going to talk about shooting?

02:50:13.000 Let's say we drink a pint.

02:50:15.000 Like, we're never going to be friends.

02:50:17.000 But I would totally sit down and have dinner with them and talk about the good old days.

02:50:22.000 It's because you won.

02:50:24.000 It also helps.

02:50:25.000 Nah.

02:50:26.000 I don't even think about it that way.

02:50:28.000 No?

02:50:28.000 Like Luke Rockhold, you know, I'd sit and talk to him.

02:50:31.000 Jacare, I'd sit and talk to him.

02:50:33.000 You know.

02:50:34.000 We gotta get you out of here because I know you got a flight to catch.

02:50:37.000 But I want to tell you, out of all my times of calling fights, one of the most powerful experiences that I ever saw really wasn't even televised.

02:50:44.000 It was in between you...

02:50:48.000 You knocking out Sapo in the fight for the troops, and you got on top of the cage, and all the troops were there cheering you on.

02:50:59.000 This wasn't televised.

02:51:02.000 Nobody saw this.

02:51:04.000 But you were pointing at all those people and saying, I love you.

02:51:07.000 I do this for you.

02:51:08.000 I love you.

02:51:09.000 And they were cheering. 0.99

02:51:10.000 And it was a fucking powerful moment, man. 0.99

02:51:12.000 That was a powerful moment to this day. 0.99

02:51:14.000 I think about sometimes because that was a different kind of a fight.

02:51:19.000 It was a different kind of an audience.

02:51:22.000 And it was a different kind of a moment.

02:51:25.000 And when you launched that left hook on him and connected him and stopped him and then jumped up on the cage and did that, that audience, the love they had for you and the love you had for them, it was in the air, man. 0.88

02:51:37.000 It was fucking amazingly powerful. 0.74

02:51:40.000 I'll never forget that moment to the day I die. 0.99

02:51:42.000 Not the fight.

02:51:43.000 Not the fight camp.

02:51:47.000 I couldn't breathe.

02:51:50.000 I had so much love.

02:51:52.000 For everybody that was like...

02:51:53.000 I would have melted...

02:51:55.000 I would have Thanos'd myself vaporized and taken every one of my bits and just handed it to everybody there and not existed just so that they could have anything that they wanted.

02:52:04.000 Because there was just nothing in me that I wanted more than just to give them anything I had.

02:52:10.000 And I think...

02:52:11.000 I believe that.

02:52:12.000 It came out.

02:52:14.000 When you were saying what you were saying, the way...

02:52:16.000 You could feel the honesty and sincerity in it.

02:52:22.000 I'm not a good liar.

02:52:24.000 I gotta work on that.

02:52:26.000 Nah, don't work on it. 1.00

02:52:27.000 Tim Kennedy, you're a bad motherfucker. 1.00

02:52:29.000 I appreciate you, bro. 1.00

02:52:29.000 Yeah, keep doing it, bro. 1.00

02:52:31.000 I will.

02:52:31.000 You too.

02:52:31.000 Alright, that's it.

02:52:32.000 Bye, everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience - May 17, 2018

Joe Rogan Experience #1117 - Tim Kennedy

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