The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1164 - Mikhaila Peterson

00:00:02.000 Five, four, three, two, one.

00:00:07.000 And we're live?

00:00:09.000 Yes.

00:00:10.000 Hello.

00:00:11.000 Hello.

00:00:12.000 What's happening?

00:00:13.000 Not much.

00:00:13.000 I'm excited to be here.

00:00:14.000 I'm excited to have you here.

00:00:16.000 Your father speaks very highly of you.

00:00:18.000 That's good.

00:00:19.000 What is it like to have Jordan Peterson as a dad?

00:00:21.000 Is it weird?

00:00:21.000 Do you have to check yourself constantly?

00:00:23.000 Make sure you're on... 0.86

00:00:25.000 On steady ground and not saying anything ridiculous?

00:00:28.000 No, not at all, not at all.

00:00:29.000 I didn't realize it was weird until I went away to university and then kind of saw like just was away for a while and then when I came back to the house especially because the house is full of like paintings and masks and statues and like 32 different paint colors and I came back and was like oh maybe he's a bit eccentric.

00:00:49.000 No, he's definitely eccentric.

00:00:51.000 We were talking off air about what it was like to watch your dad become famous.

00:00:57.000 And become famous in his 50s, right?

00:01:00.000 Yeah, like 54, 55. That's when he became famous.

00:01:04.000 Before that, relatively unknown, respected professor.

00:01:08.000 One issue with this one transgender bill, the preferred pronouns bill.

00:01:14.000 And then, boom!

00:01:16.000 Off to the races.

00:01:17.000 Yeah.

00:01:18.000 Is that strange?

00:01:19.000 Yeah, it was super weird, especially how the media was portraying him and how what was actually happening at the events wasn't what was being portrayed in the media.

00:01:29.000 So that was weird to watch.

00:01:30.000 And then people recognizing him on the street is strange.

00:01:33.000 Yes, it's been weird.

00:01:35.000 When you say what happened in real life was not what was being portrayed, like what was different.

00:01:41.000 Mostly what he was saying.

00:01:42.000 So most of what he said is on film anyway.

00:01:45.000 So you can go to YouTube and see what he's been saying.

00:01:48.000 There's not some secret that's going around.

00:01:51.000 But what's been portrayed has been so much more negative than what he's actually said.

00:01:56.000 Or they'll take sound bites and just weave a story that isn't quite true.

00:02:01.000 Which I didn't... 0.86

00:02:02.000 For some reason I... Now it looks silly.

00:02:05.000 But for some reason I just thought that what the media was portraying was honest.

00:02:08.000 Always.

00:02:09.000 Yeah, me too.

00:02:11.000 Yeah, and it's not.

00:02:13.000 Well, they're writers.

00:02:14.000 There's a real issue today.

00:02:18.000 I've talked about this before, but the issue is clicks.

00:02:22.000 It's not just about what's the facts of the story.

00:02:25.000 It's about these publications are struggling to stay alive.

00:02:29.000 And one of the only ways that they can get people to click on stories is salacious headlines, make things really click-baity, and that's what they focus on.

00:02:39.000 And they focus on negative aspects that are going to get people riled up.

00:02:42.000 They have to have an angle.

00:02:43.000 And I've talked to people who are writers who will write something, and then I'll talk to them, and I'll say, hey, man, this is not what we talked about or what happened.

00:02:52.000 And they said, I'm going to be honest with you, I didn't even write that.

00:02:55.000 The headline was completely written by the editor.

00:02:57.000 So the editor came in, changed it all up, Change this, switch, put some dot, dot, dots out of things, you know, so cut off sentences so that they seemed more, you know, just more controversial than they really are because they didn't allow the counterpoint of,

00:03:14.000 you know, sometimes you say something and then you say, or it could be this.

00:03:17.000 Well, the or it could be this part is cut out.

00:03:19.000 You know, they do things like that just to stay alive because I think I mean, really big publications, whether it's the New York Times or the Boston Globe, big publications are struggling for their life right now because people don't want to buy newspapers anymore.

00:03:35.000 And getting people to read things online is very difficult.

00:03:38.000 And you have to do something salacious.

00:03:41.000 You have to do something that's enticing for them to click on it.

00:03:44.000 Yeah, I guess, but wouldn't you say that's just driving them down?

00:03:48.000 Yeah.

00:03:49.000 Yeah, I would. 1.00

00:03:49.000 Yeah, they're fucked. 1.00

00:03:51.000 It's a bad place to be. 1.00

00:03:53.000 And I think it's, you know, it opens up the door for alternative media.

00:03:59.000 But some of those alternative media sources don't have journalistic integrity either.

00:04:04.000 So then it becomes a real issue.

00:04:08.000 That's a problem with a lot of online news shows.

00:04:12.000 They take a very obvious editorial spin as well on the news.

00:04:17.000 And if you just read or watch their show, you would go, oh, well, it's this way.

00:04:23.000 Because these guys are saying it's this way.

00:04:24.000 But it might not be that way.

00:04:26.000 There's no real objective source.

00:04:28.000 It's very hard to find a good objective source.

00:04:30.000 I mean, sometimes I count on the New York Times.

00:04:33.000 But there's been some things that I've read from the New York Times that I know are not accurate.

00:04:37.000 Oh, I think they had a terrible article about Dad in June or something.

00:04:42.000 Well, he didn't make it any easier on himself by using that forced monogamy argument.

00:04:48.000 Term?

00:04:48.000 No.

00:04:49.000 Yeah, enforced monogamy argument or term. 1.00

00:04:52.000 Even when you understand it as a psychological concept that it is a culturally enforced idea, I still don't think that applies to incels.

00:05:02.000 I don't.

00:05:03.000 No.

00:05:04.000 I don't think it makes any difference at all.

00:05:06.000 And he and I discussed it on the podcast.

00:05:08.000 I'm like, you're not.

00:05:09.000 Just because you say it's a good idea and the culture agrees that it's a good idea for people to be monogamous, I don't necessarily think that that is going to help these guys at all.

00:05:19.000 I don't think we know what's going to help those guys.

00:05:21.000 Yeah.

00:05:22.000 Well, obviously they're all individuals and their situations vary. 0.99

00:05:28.000 But what we're talking about for people like, what the fuck are they talking about? 0.93

00:05:31.000 There was a quote in the New York Times where this woman was asking him what to do about these incels, which are involuntary celibates. 0.98

00:05:42.000 And one of them had driven a car into a crowd of people and killed a bunch of people because he was frustrated because he couldn't find a mate.

00:05:50.000 And your dad suggested that culturally enforced monogamy would be perhaps a solution for that. 0.99

00:05:59.000 And then a bunch of people went crazy saying that women should sacrifice themselves and fuck these guys so that they don't drive cars into crowds. 1.00

00:06:12.000 Everybody made a mistake. 1.00

00:06:14.000 I don't think there's an answer for those guys.

00:06:17.000 I really don't.

00:06:20.000 Those kind of articles, the editorial articles and opinion articles, it's a different thing than reporting on the news, right?

00:06:30.000 Yeah, I thought, I thought, so honesty was always a big thing in our house and was like, don't lie, because if you lie, eventually the lie will surface and it'll be so much bigger than the hell you get from telling the truth.

00:06:43.000 So I kind of just assumed that the media did that.

00:06:47.000 Yeah, the world just worked like that.

00:06:50.000 Yeah, nope.

00:06:51.000 No.

00:06:52.000 I know that now.

00:06:54.000 Yeah.

00:06:55.000 So you and your dad are both on this wacky diet.

00:06:59.000 Mm-hmm.

00:07:00.000 You're both on this wacky carnivore diet.

00:07:02.000 And this is probably one of the most controversial things in relation to food today.

00:07:12.000 When people discuss diets, you know, there's a lot of people that are vegetarian or vegan or trying ketogenic diets or paleo.

00:07:22.000 But when you say carnivore, that is one of the ones where people just universally seem to step back, roll their eyes.

00:07:31.000 Most people don't think it's a good idea.

00:07:34.000 They don't even know why they don't think it's a good idea.

00:07:37.000 And then you tell them about people like you or my friend Chris Bell, who has similar autoimmune issues, and he's had two hip replacements.

00:07:48.000 He's only 36. And I think he had both of them done by the time he was 30, right?

00:07:54.000 Pretty sure, because he's had them for quite a few years.

00:07:59.000 Massive joint pain, all sorts of issue.

00:08:02.000 And you got a hip replacement.

00:08:04.000 How old were you?

00:08:05.000 17 and an ankle replacement, 17. That's crazy.

00:08:09.000 It's a rough year.

00:08:10.000 That is crazy.

00:08:13.000 So your whole life you've had arthritis issues?

00:08:17.000 Yeah.

00:08:18.000 So I started walking kind of funny when I was two, according to my mom.

00:08:21.000 And she brought me to the doctor and they said she's just having growing pains or something.

00:08:25.000 When I was seven, I was diagnosed with juvenile rheumatoid arthritis.

00:08:29.000 And I had like 37 joints affected.

00:08:31.000 And then I was put on immune suppressants in grade four.

00:08:34.000 So I was actually the first kid in Canada to be put on this biologic called Enbrel.

00:08:39.000 So I was on Enbrel and methotrexate forever, like leading up to the hip and ankle replacement, and they did help reduce some of the pain, but I still ended up with no cartilage in my joint and hip, my hip and ankle, when I was 17. And this is just from the effects of arthritis and the inflammation and swelling and just chew the cartilage up?

00:09:02.000 So I wasn't even particularly swollen.

00:09:04.000 I didn't have a very like inflammatory, visually inflammatory arthritis.

00:09:08.000 So my rheumatologist who'd been at SickKids for 20 years said that I had the worst arthritis she'd ever seen.

00:09:17.000 So it was very severe.

00:09:18.000 It wasn't particularly like swollen.

00:09:21.000 My joints just disintegrated.

00:09:25.000 Wow.

00:09:25.000 And what do they think causes something like this?

00:09:28.000 They didn't know.

00:09:29.000 So it was eventually, after the hip and ankle replacement, the diagnosis was changed to juvenile idiopathic arthritis.

00:09:36.000 So it was literally like, we don't know.

00:09:39.000 Wow.

00:09:40.000 And how did you go from these medications, pharmaceutical medications, to getting into this carnivore diet thing?

00:09:52.000 What was this path?

00:09:54.000 Well, okay, I'll give you a background of the path.

00:09:57.000 We were very, like, science-oriented, especially Dad.

00:10:02.000 So even though Mom kind of wanted to delve into diet and was like, we should go sugar-free or stop eating, you know, whatever, make sure you eat whole grains, like, all that stuff, we never gave diet a chance because there was no scientific evidence for it.

00:10:19.000 So, I basically got sicker and sicker and sicker.

00:10:23.000 And I ended up, by the time I got to university, I ended up with arthritis.

00:10:27.000 I was severely depressed.

00:10:28.000 I was on antidepressants as well.

00:10:31.000 I had idiopathic hypersomnia.

00:10:33.000 So I was sleeping about 18 hours a day.

00:10:36.000 My whole body was itchy all the time.

00:10:38.000 That started when I was about 14. And so that was when I started university.

00:10:44.000 And then my diet just got disastrous in university and I was like drinking all the time and eating like pizza and beer.

00:10:51.000 And I gained like 30 pounds in the first year and ginger ale.

00:10:58.000 Anyway, I gained about 30 pounds in the first year.

00:11:01.000 My mental health declined even further.

00:11:03.000 And I didn't really know what was going on.

00:11:06.000 And then I started getting skin issues.

00:11:08.000 So I started getting rashes, cystic acne.

00:11:10.000 And I was like, okay, I can deal with like four really awful health problems, but I can't deal with things affecting my skin on top of that.

00:11:18.000 There's too many things.

00:11:20.000 I went to dermatologists and they basically told me I was anxious and like causing these rashes by itching.

00:11:28.000 So that was the dermatologist's opinion, which was very unhelpful.

00:11:32.000 Anyway, I spent a lot of time.

00:11:34.000 I was eventually prescribed Adderall for the hypersomnia.

00:11:38.000 So I spent all my time Googling, reading papers, trying to get a background on skin disorders.

00:11:45.000 And eventually I came across this celiac disease rash online.

00:11:49.000 And that's what I had.

00:11:51.000 It looked exactly the same.

00:11:53.000 So I cut out gluten.

00:11:54.000 I read a whole bunch about the effects of gluten on the gut and thought, oh, there's actually some evidence that gluten isn't good for people.

00:12:01.000 Why aren't people being told this?

00:12:02.000 Why didn't my doctor test me for celiac disease?

00:12:05.000 Because celiac disease couples with autoimmune disorders all the time.

00:12:08.000 They test type 1 kids for celiac disease.

00:12:12.000 But for some reason, they don't test kids with arthritis for celiac disease.

00:12:16.000 So I cut out gluten, and that kind of helped.

00:12:19.000 Maybe like 20%, but it was hard to tell because it was the summer.

00:12:21.000 I was like, maybe I'm just feeling better from the summer.

00:12:24.000 My rash kind of went down, but it was still there.

00:12:27.000 And then, so September 2015, my mom dragged me to a naturopath, and they gave me this sheet of foods and, like, try this elimination diet.

00:12:36.000 And I looked at the sheet and thought, this doesn't make any sense.

00:12:38.000 Like, why can I eat lemons and not oranges?

00:12:40.000 And why are almonds on there, but other nuts are off?

00:12:43.000 So I thought, okay, if I'm going to do an elimination diet, which I didn't believe in at all, I'll cut down to what I considered safe foods.

00:12:52.000 And I had no idea what I was doing.

00:12:53.000 So I just thought, okay, vegetables are pretty safe.

00:12:55.000 I'll get rid of nightshades because people talk about them being bad.

00:12:59.000 Nightshades.

00:12:59.000 What is nightshades?

00:13:00.000 Nightshades like tomatoes, eggplant, those kind of foods.

00:13:04.000 For some reason, I just knew that they were- I feel like literally everybody has heard them referred to as nightshades.

00:13:13.000 No.

00:13:13.000 Have you heard them?

00:13:15.000 I've heard the term, but not...

00:13:16.000 I couldn't tell you what it was.

00:13:18.000 I wouldn't have been able to say it was tomatoes and eggplants, I don't think.

00:13:21.000 Maybe it's just Canada.

00:13:22.000 I don't think it's Canada.

00:13:24.000 Is it a Canadian thing?

00:13:24.000 I don't think so.

00:13:25.000 No?

00:13:25.000 Okay.

00:13:26.000 Let the YouTube comments decide.

00:13:28.000 Definitely don't let them decide.

00:13:30.000 Okay.

00:13:33.000 It's like calling demons for help.

00:13:36.000 Anyway, go ahead.

00:13:38.000 Anyway, I cut down.

00:13:39.000 So I was eating mostly like green vegetables.

00:13:42.000 I was still eating rice at that point because I thought everybody eats rice.

00:13:46.000 Rice is safe and meat.

00:13:48.000 But I cut out like dairy, most grains, soy, sugar, processed foods.

00:13:55.000 And then in the next month, my joints got way better and my skin healed and my skin never healed.

00:14:03.000 Like, for a couple years, I'd always have these flare-ups.

00:14:06.000 It never went away.

00:14:07.000 And that was just on a, like, relatively low-carb diet.

00:14:11.000 Just, like, just less...

00:14:13.000 I don't know.

00:14:13.000 I was still eating rice, right?

00:14:15.000 But it was still mostly meat and vegetables.

00:14:17.000 And I thought, okay, maybe there's something to this.

00:14:20.000 And then I made...

00:14:22.000 Almond flour, gluten-free, sugar-free, dairy-free almond flour banana muffins.

00:14:29.000 And I ate a bunch of those one night and I woke up and the next day my wrists were sore and I thought...

00:14:36.000 Okay, maybe.

00:14:37.000 That's weird.

00:14:37.000 And then I had a bunch more of the muffins because the muffins were good.

00:14:41.000 And then I went away to a cottage that weekend and I couldn't walk because of my knees.

00:14:48.000 And I never had flare-ups that badly.

00:14:51.000 Like I used to get, my shoulder was always sore when I slept, so I took Tylenol 3 at night for sleeping.

00:14:56.000 And my wrists were stiff, but I never had like a flare-up, like I couldn't walk.

00:15:01.000 So that was that weekend.

00:15:02.000 So then I went back to the diet and got really strict with it.

00:15:07.000 And then things were better, like my skin was better.

00:15:12.000 I lost, this was weird, I lost five pounds, which wasn't a lot, but I went down three pant sizes.

00:15:19.000 So it was all bloating that I didn't realize was bloating because it never fluctuated.

00:15:23.000 So that was the first month.

00:15:25.000 And then 2015. And then I started trying to reintroduce foods because I was having cravings and I missed going out to eat with my friends and everything.

00:15:35.000 So the first thing I tried to reintroduce was Sour Patch Candy because I was having really intense sugar.

00:15:42.000 Don't look at me like that.

00:15:44.000 I was having really intense sugar cravings and I looked at the package and I thought, okay, no one's allergic to sugar.

00:15:51.000 There's no dairy.

00:15:52.000 There's no gluten.

00:15:53.000 There's no soy.

00:15:53.000 This will be fine.

00:15:55.000 And I really wanted to eat them.

00:15:57.000 And I had those.

00:15:58.000 And the next day, my whole body was itchy again.

00:16:02.000 It was like mosquito bites everywhere.

00:16:04.000 Itchy.

00:16:06.000 So I thought, okay, maybe that was a bad idea.

00:16:09.000 So I waited a couple weeks and I tried to reintroduce almond butter, organic almond butter, because I wanted something fast, protein fast.

00:16:17.000 And then I had abdominal cramping, diarrhea, then this itch came back.

00:16:24.000 Jesus Christ.

00:16:25.000 Yeah.

00:16:25.000 So for the next year...

00:16:29.000 Well, I'll slow down.

00:16:30.000 We've got some time.

00:16:31.000 So that was the almond butter.

00:16:33.000 So then I waited a while and I felt pretty good.

00:16:35.000 And this was November 2015. And then I started feeling really good.

00:16:39.000 And I went off of my antidepressants.

00:16:41.000 And I had been taking antidepressants since I was in grade five.

00:16:45.000 A really high dose of an SSRI, which had been very helpful.

00:16:51.000 Did you wean yourself off and did you do it under a doctor's supervision?

00:16:55.000 No.

00:16:56.000 I didn't trust...

00:16:57.000 You didn't wean yourself off?

00:16:58.000 I weaned myself down.

00:16:59.000 So I went down to half, and then I went to a quarter, and then I went to an eighth, and then I stopped taking it.

00:17:04.000 Over how long of a period of time?

00:17:05.000 It was nothing, really.

00:17:06.000 Over two weeks?

00:17:07.000 It was two weeks, yeah.

00:17:08.000 I didn't have withdrawal symptoms.

00:17:11.000 I think maybe I was lucky that way.

00:17:13.000 And so your diet at this point was?

00:17:15.000 So at that point, I was eating rice occasionally, but it was mostly like broccoli, salad, chicken, beef, fish, olive oil, apple cider vinegar, salt, pepper.

00:17:29.000 At that point, I was also eating pears and apples.

00:17:32.000 So it was kind of like paleo, kind of.

00:17:36.000 Very restricted paleo, dairy-free.

00:17:38.000 And so you're feeling good, you're off your medication, your joints feel better, no more rashes.

00:17:44.000 No more rashes, yeah.

00:17:45.000 So everything seems to be improving.

00:17:47.000 I was shocked when the depression lifted because I thought, that runs in my family, that's familial, we have some sort of...

00:17:53.000 Brain chemistry problem.

00:17:54.000 That can't possibly be diet.

00:17:56.000 I thought the skin, maybe that was diet because of this gluten link.

00:18:00.000 And then maybe because of the celiac gene that I got tested for, maybe the arthritis was part of that, but I never thought mood was associated with it.

00:18:08.000 So that was a surprise in November.

00:18:11.000 Anyway, I went off of the antidepressants and then about a month later, I tried to reintroduce soy.

00:18:17.000 And this is when things started getting really weird that year.

00:18:21.000 So I was having...

00:18:23.000 Why are you reintroducing things if you're having all these positive benefits?

00:18:31.000 We're good to go.

00:18:51.000 So I ate a huge meal of like edamame beans and bean sprouts and miso soup that I made myself so it was gluten free and soy sauce and tofu.

00:19:02.000 I literally ate soy in every form and I had The same kind of reaction with almond butter.

00:19:08.000 I had immediately got bloated.

00:19:10.000 I had diarrhea within maybe 20-30 minutes of eating it. 0.88

00:19:15.000 And I thought, okay, that sucks.

00:19:16.000 I guess I can't eat soy.

00:19:18.000 And then about four hours later, my legs got itchy.

00:19:22.000 And then my whole body got itchy.

00:19:24.000 And I was like, okay, that sucks.

00:19:26.000 Clearly, I'm reacting to soy. 0.97

00:19:27.000 And then the next morning, the depression came back.

00:19:31.000 And it came back like that was the worst depressive experience I've ever had.

00:19:37.000 I was medication free and it came back in the morning and I got in the shower and I just like I bawled in the shower and thought how could I be so naive to think that my horrible autoimmune disorder and the depression and everything was caused by food like what an idiotic thing to think how could I be that hopeful and then I had to remind myself okay no We're good to 0.74

00:20:16.000 go.

00:20:17.000 This is when it gets weird.

00:20:20.000 So that night, I went over to my parents and I was just like, I don't know what's going on, right?

00:20:26.000 And they're like, well, do you want to take a car back to your apartment?

00:20:29.000 I said, I don't think I can drive.

00:20:30.000 Like, I can't.

00:20:31.000 I just can't think.

00:20:32.000 I don't know what's going on.

00:20:34.000 So my brother drove me home and I was like on the verge of having a panic attack for no reason, right?

00:20:42.000 It was just like my heart rate was increasing.

00:20:44.000 I was trying to find my keys and I turned around to look at my brother In the car and his head was a like a kind of a demon this I know how this sounds but he had like a demon head for about a second and a half and he looked at me and then he turned and then it was my brother again.

00:21:06.000 So I was standing at the- So you're hallucinating?

00:21:08.000 For like a yeah about a second and a half.

00:21:10.000 Any other hallucinations?

00:21:11.000 That year yes before that no.

00:21:14.000 That year?

00:21:15.000 Yeah after this.

00:21:17.000 I'll get into it.

00:21:18.000 So you ate soy and started tripping?

00:21:20.000 Yeah, two days later.

00:21:23.000 I know how it sounds.

00:21:24.000 That's how it sounded to me too.

00:21:26.000 Have you found comparable stories online?

00:21:30.000 So obviously I did as much research as I could possibly do.

00:21:33.000 To soy?

00:21:35.000 No.

00:21:35.000 To gluten?

00:21:36.000 To people who are schizophrenic from gluten?

00:21:39.000 Yeah.

00:21:39.000 There are people with celiac disease who have schizophrenia induced by gluten.

00:21:45.000 So I found that, but I didn't find anything for other foods.

00:21:50.000 But does schizophrenia include hallucinations?

00:21:54.000 Rarely visual, but I did find a case study of a woman who was seeing demons from her celiac disease gluten.

00:22:01.000 Now, when you say you looked over and you saw your brother and his head was a demon head, like, describe it.

00:22:07.000 Like...

00:22:09.000 No, I found...

00:22:10.000 Vivid?

00:22:12.000 No, it was like, you know when it's really dark in a room, and I don't know if you've experienced this, but it's really dark in a room, and then you kind of see things in the dark?

00:22:22.000 Mm-hmm.

00:22:23.000 It was more like that.

00:22:24.000 It was dark at night, and it was like I was so anxious.

00:22:28.000 So you're so distraught, you're a mess, and maybe you just caused yourself to have this idea.

00:22:33.000 Well, something happened.

00:22:35.000 Yeah, I mean, and I saw it.

00:22:36.000 Like, I can remember what it looks like, but it wasn't a vivid demon or something.

00:22:40.000 It was like, but it was there.

00:22:42.000 Okay, so you're freaking out, basically.

00:22:44.000 So I'm freaking out, so I'm like, okay, that's not good.

00:22:46.000 So I find my keys, and I go upstairs, and then I went into my bedroom, like, shut the blinds, turned on all the lights, and then, like, smoked as much weed as I could possibly smoke to try and calm myself down, and then hid under the blankets all night.

00:22:59.000 I would think that would be the worst thing to do after you see a demon.

00:23:01.000 You'd think that, but then if you smoke, I've had that comment before, but enough, and it calmed me down.

00:23:09.000 Okay.

00:23:10.000 So then I spent the next couple of weeks basically stoned because I didn't know when it was going to end.

00:23:17.000 I didn't know what was going on and I couldn't find anybody on the internet who had had the same experience as me.

00:23:22.000 And then about two and a half weeks later, it started going away.

00:23:28.000 And so...

00:23:29.000 When you say it, you mean the depression?

00:23:31.000 Depression, the arthritis.

00:23:32.000 It wasn't just the depression that came.

00:23:34.000 That's just the worst.

00:23:35.000 And had you adjusted your diet?

00:23:36.000 No, I didn't go back.

00:23:37.000 I mean, I didn't eat soy again, but I went back to the initial diet I was eating.

00:23:41.000 So essentially, just this one meal, this one great meal of soy threw you off for a couple weeks, radically. 0.54

00:23:48.000 Yeah, like almost four, like three weeks.

00:23:51.000 But after two weeks, it started getting better.

00:23:54.000 But the symptoms were like, so this deplorable, the itching started, I had bloating, and then the depression came back.

00:24:01.000 And then about a week later, my skin started breaking out.

00:24:06.000 Maybe 10 days later my arthritis came back.

00:24:09.000 So I wrote all my symptoms down every day because I was going crazy and I didn't know what was going on and I wanted to write it down to see what was going on.

00:24:19.000 Okay.

00:24:20.000 So then it started lifting and I started feeling better again.

00:24:22.000 And I was like, okay, thank God that's over.

00:24:26.000 And then waited a while, things were good again, my symptoms went away.

00:24:31.000 And then over the next year, I tried to reintroduce foods over and over and over again.

00:24:35.000 And I was making like I tried whey protein powder.

00:24:39.000 And that did nothing ever got to as bad as that soy experience.

00:24:43.000 But I had a number of other experiences where it was the worst depression I've ever experienced.

00:24:48.000 And It was on the verge of seeing, like, I don't know, seeing faces in things.

00:24:56.000 Okay, so you're having all these health issues.

00:24:58.000 How do you get to the carnivore diet?

00:25:01.000 So, I decide, about a year later, I decide, hey, maybe I don't want to keep cycling in and out of all horrible autoimmune and mental problems.

00:25:08.000 Maybe I'll just stick with the original diet.

00:25:11.000 And then I got pregnant.

00:25:13.000 And so, then my autoimmune symptoms flared again.

00:25:17.000 During the pregnancy?

00:25:18.000 Yeah, like right away.

00:25:19.000 As soon as I found out I was pregnant.

00:25:21.000 It was like before I found out I was pregnant that my autoimmune symptoms came back.

00:25:25.000 So my legs were itchy again.

00:25:27.000 My joints were stiff.

00:25:29.000 My skin was breaking out.

00:25:30.000 My anxiety was back.

00:25:32.000 And it was hard to tell, well, what part of this is pregnancy and what part of this is an autoimmune disorder.

00:25:38.000 So throughout my pregnancy, I cut down on all the carbs I was eating.

00:25:42.000 So I cut out fruit.

00:25:43.000 I cut out sweet potatoes.

00:25:45.000 I went down to meat and greens.

00:25:46.000 And I think dad was on here one time and he was on a meat and greens diet.

00:25:49.000 So that was during that part.

00:25:51.000 So we're both on a meat and greens diet.

00:25:53.000 Mostly because we didn't realize you didn't need greens to survive.

00:25:58.000 So we were eating meat and greens.

00:26:01.000 And then...

00:26:02.000 Did you say mostly because we realized you didn't need greens to survive?

00:26:06.000 We didn't realize only meat was an option.

00:26:09.000 You hadn't realized.

00:26:09.000 Yeah.

00:26:10.000 We hadn't realized that.

00:26:11.000 We didn't know that.

00:26:12.000 So it was meat and salad.

00:26:13.000 And it was a very simple salad with like olive oil, apple cider vinegar, salt, pepper, cucumbers, lettuces, spinach.

00:26:21.000 Pretty simple salad.

00:26:23.000 And then meat and fish.

00:26:25.000 So we did that for about a year.

00:26:28.000 And then I had my daughter...

00:26:30.000 And then I didn't get better.

00:26:32.000 So then I found out, okay, so these symptoms aren't really pregnancy related.

00:26:35.000 It's just me now.

00:26:37.000 And for some reason I've lost the tolerance to these foods I used to be able to eat.

00:26:41.000 But you're just eating salad and meat.

00:26:44.000 Yeah.

00:26:45.000 And I'm still having autoimmune symptoms now.

00:26:47.000 The same symptoms that you used to have back when you were eating everything?

00:26:50.000 Not nearly as bad.

00:26:52.000 Not nearly as bad.

00:26:53.000 Like my fatigue wasn't back.

00:26:54.000 My anxiety was manageable without medication.

00:26:58.000 But you hadn't achieved the levels of health that you had when you were eliminating things from your diet earlier.

00:27:04.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:27:06.000 Exactly.

00:27:06.000 Like I reached a really good point and then I got pregnant and I couldn't reach that point again.

00:27:11.000 Okay.

00:27:12.000 So then, this is 2017, so it's like November and I'm getting really frustrated about being itchy.

00:27:19.000 I'm just randomly itchy again and randomly arthritic.

00:27:21.000 And you're just eating meat and vegetables.

00:27:23.000 Just meat and salad.

00:27:24.000 Yeah.

00:27:25.000 And I thought, okay, maybe I just have an autoimmune disorder and I can't control it with diet anymore.

00:27:31.000 Maybe I'm just stuck like this.

00:27:34.000 And so I googled, like out of desperation, I think I googled allergic to everything food-wise, something like that, into Google.

00:27:40.000 And I found this story about Charlene Anderson, who's been mentioned a couple times, and she'd been diagnosed with Lyme disease and has been eating nothing but red meat for 18 years.

00:27:51.000 And there are pictures of her family online.

00:27:53.000 And I thought, okay, I know I'm not.

00:27:56.000 I think I googled allergic to everything except meat.

00:27:59.000 Uh-huh.

00:27:59.000 So I found her.

00:28:00.000 Then I found that Sean Baker episode you did, and he'd been doing it for two years.

00:28:06.000 And I think that night I thought, screw it.

00:28:09.000 I literally have nothing to lose here.

00:28:12.000 I'm only cutting out salad.

00:28:14.000 So that's when I switched over.

00:28:15.000 That was December.

00:28:17.000 And then I switched over and the itching got better pretty quickly, like within the first couple of days.

00:28:24.000 But then my digestion just got totally screwed up.

00:28:28.000 So like bloating and diarrhea every time I ate.

00:28:31.000 And after about a week, I thought, okay, this is a bad idea.

00:28:35.000 Obviously.

00:28:36.000 Bloating and diarrhea every time you ate meat.

00:28:38.000 Just meat.

00:28:39.000 Just meat.

00:28:40.000 And salt.

00:28:41.000 Jesus Christ.

00:28:42.000 Yeah.

00:28:42.000 So I thought, this is a bad idea.

00:28:44.000 Obviously, this isn't working.

00:28:45.000 My body doesn't like it.

00:28:46.000 So I reintroduced salad again.

00:28:48.000 It was literally lettuce, apple cider vinegar, olive oil, and salt and pepper.

00:28:53.000 That's what I reintroduced.

00:28:54.000 And I woke up the next day and the itch was back and my joints were stiff.

00:28:59.000 And I thought, okay, if I have to choose between itching and arthritis or diarrhea, I'm going to choose the diarrhea.

00:29:06.000 I was in a rough place.

00:29:08.000 I guess.

00:29:09.000 Yeah.

00:29:09.000 So I stuck it out and at six weeks of just doing this, the bloating went away, the diarrhea went away, and everything started to improve.

00:29:20.000 So that was mid-January.

00:29:22.000 But I was still pretty skeptical because I thought maybe the reason the carnivore diet worked for people was because they just accidentally cut out everything that wasn't working for them.

00:29:33.000 Processed foods, sugar, grains, all that.

00:29:36.000 So I tried to reintroduce olives, like organic olives in olive oil.

00:29:40.000 That was February.

00:29:42.000 And then I had this itching, came back with the depression.

00:29:46.000 My skin broke out.

00:29:47.000 And it was minor in comparison to like soy.

00:29:49.000 So you think, essentially, to give us the cliff notes, you're allergic to everything.

00:29:55.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:29:57.000 That's fucking crazy. 0.99

00:29:59.000 It's crazy, but then here's the thing. 0.99

00:30:01.000 I started this blog, so the blogs don't eat that.

00:30:04.000 And I started this blog because I thought, if for some reason there's someone else out there like me, and they're Googling these things, it'd be nice for them to know that they're not alone.

00:30:14.000 And I've found other people like this, who are equally as sensitive.

00:30:19.000 I'm sure.

00:30:19.000 I mean, look, if you exist, there's probably quite a few people that have that issue.

00:30:23.000 It makes sense.

00:30:24.000 It makes sense that we all have different tolerances and we all have different allergies.

00:30:29.000 Some people are allergic to cats.

00:30:31.000 Some people have no problem with peanuts.

00:30:33.000 Some people eat a Brazil nut and they die.

00:30:36.000 We know this.

00:30:38.000 So this is one of the problems with diet is that people want to think that a diet that works for them works for everybody.

00:30:44.000 And it doesn't work that way.

00:30:45.000 And people want you to follow their diet, no matter what it is, whether it's vegan or paleo.

00:30:51.000 People are very ideological with that.

00:30:54.000 They would love for you to do exactly what they're doing so to reinforce what they're doing is correct.

00:31:01.000 There's a lot of pushback against this carnivore diet idea.

00:31:05.000 But I don't...

00:31:08.000 I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility that someone like you might actually really be allergic to everything.

00:31:14.000 Yeah, I mean, I was, like, very sick.

00:31:17.000 And from coming from that place to now, I can see how sick I was, and it was like, I was dying.

00:31:22.000 I was on a whole bunch of medication.

00:31:24.000 Did you ever do anything with probiotics?

00:31:27.000 Yeah.

00:31:27.000 I can't tolerate probiotics.

00:31:29.000 You can't tolerate them?

00:31:30.000 No.

00:31:31.000 So the original idea was heal my gut, repopulate with bacteria that maybe I'm missing, and then maybe incorporate more foods.

00:31:38.000 Right, so what happened when you tried to do that?

00:31:39.000 Same autoimmune flare-up.

00:31:42.000 Okay, but this is the same autoimmune flare-up that you got when you ate salad?

00:31:48.000 No, not quite.

00:31:49.000 Not quite as bad?

00:31:50.000 Not.

00:31:51.000 It was different.

00:31:52.000 It was, like, with salad, there's more of the arthritis and, like, body pain, and then...

00:31:59.000 With probiotics, what'd you get?

00:32:01.000 Mood issues.

00:32:02.000 So, like, really volatile.

00:32:04.000 And itchy.

00:32:05.000 Yeah.

00:32:06.000 Right.

00:32:06.000 So I still got the itch.

00:32:08.000 Yeah.

00:32:08.000 So I think it was I probably had leaky gut.

00:32:11.000 And so the probiotics were just going everywhere.

00:32:14.000 One of the things your dad brought up to me when he was here was emulsifiers.

00:32:18.000 Yeah.

00:32:19.000 Yeah.

00:32:19.000 And then I started reading up on it after he discussed it with me.

00:32:24.000 And it's something I never even considered before, but fast rising yeast and all these different Emulsifiers that they put in bread and various foods, they're terrible for you.

00:32:36.000 Oh my god, yeah.

00:32:37.000 Terrible for your stomach and they're so prevalent.

00:32:40.000 They're everywhere.

00:32:40.000 Yeah.

00:32:41.000 Soy lecithin?

00:32:42.000 It's in everything.

00:32:43.000 It's in everything.

00:32:44.000 Yeah.

00:32:44.000 And then I started really paying attention to it and I've read several articles on it and a couple of studies.

00:32:49.000 It's...

00:32:50.000 It's crazy how this is something that's never even discussed and it has all sorts of negative effects on your gut and your gut lining.

00:32:59.000 It's awful.

00:33:00.000 Yeah, combining that and then it looks like grains aren't so good for people.

00:33:04.000 Combining that and grains, it's no wonder people are ill.

00:33:08.000 Some people.

00:33:09.000 Yeah.

00:33:10.000 Some people.

00:33:10.000 Most people, though, if you look at, like, obesity or...

00:33:14.000 I wouldn't go most.

00:33:15.000 I would say some.

00:33:17.000 I'd say most people are sedentary.

00:33:19.000 That's one of the primary issues.

00:33:21.000 Yeah, but I don't think that's the issue.

00:33:22.000 What do you mean?

00:33:23.000 I mean, okay, say, I mean, I guess I'm not a great example, but I mean, people start gaining weight if they're lucky when they're middle-aged, if they're unlucky when they're around 25 and they start gaining weight.

00:33:35.000 I don't think it's from lack of exercise.

00:33:36.000 I think it's from diet.

00:33:38.000 Yeah, I think diet has a lot to do with it.

00:33:40.000 Yeah, for sure.

00:33:42.000 But it's also lack of exercise.

00:33:44.000 I don't know.

00:33:45.000 I'm not convinced.

00:33:46.000 Because people who've gone on to this carnivore diet especially lose that weight.

00:33:53.000 Right, but there's a lot of people out there that are not overweight that don't follow the carnivore diet.

00:33:57.000 So how do you explain that?

00:33:59.000 Well, I'd like to see anybody above the age of 50 who's on a standard American diet.

00:34:06.000 Well, what is a standard American diet?

00:34:07.000 I mean, if you're saying, are they eating terrible?

00:34:09.000 No, I just mean standard American diet.

00:34:11.000 I mean, do they watch what they eat?

00:34:13.000 I mean, these blanket statements are a real issue.

00:34:17.000 And that's one of the reasons why your diet is fascinating.

00:34:20.000 It's because, like, you know, I don't think you can make blanket statements when it comes to people and diet. 0.99

00:34:26.000 You know, I think there's some people out there that are goddamn food dumpsters. 0.98

00:34:30.000 You can throw anything in there and they're fine. 0.98

00:34:32.000 There are definitely people closer to that.

00:34:35.000 My brother is pretty, well, he's not so good with lactose, but he's pretty stable compared to me anyway.

00:34:43.000 Well, you know Michael Phelps, that Olympic swimmer.

00:34:45.000 Yeah.

00:34:46.000 That guy eats like 10,000 calories a day and several pizzas.

00:34:49.000 Yeah, I know.

00:34:50.000 I read about him. 0.99

00:34:52.000 Fucking jacked. 1.00

00:34:53.000 He has no problems at all. 1.00

00:34:54.000 He's not fat.

00:34:55.000 But that's an issue of enormous expenditure of energy.

00:35:01.000 I mean, he's constantly exercising and his body has ridiculous calorie requirements.

00:35:08.000 Yeah.

00:35:08.000 Caloric.

00:35:09.000 So, I mean, it's hard to say, but I think sedentary lifestyle is a giant part of it.

00:35:15.000 Most of what people do is what we're doing right now.

00:35:19.000 Most of what people do is sit down.

00:35:20.000 But is that because they don't feel like running around?

00:35:22.000 Because some people, like people who exercise, generally you have to put in a little bit of effort to make yourself go exercise, but a lot of people who are overweight and sick don't have enough energy to do that.

00:35:34.000 I don't know about that.

00:35:37.000 Some of them maybe, but I think some of them just don't have discipline.

00:35:41.000 There's an issue with that as well.

00:35:42.000 There's also an issue with momentum.

00:35:44.000 You're not used to doing it.

00:35:45.000 It's not a part of your life.

00:35:46.000 It's not something that you're accustomed to pushing yourself.

00:35:49.000 There's been many, [...

00:35:53.000 I just didn't feel like I had the energy and I just forced myself.

00:35:56.000 And I think there's very few people out there that know how to force themselves.

00:36:00.000 That's a learned skill.

00:36:03.000 That kind of discipline and focus.

00:36:05.000 You have to have real rigid requirements of yourself where you don't allow yourself to back out of things and you don't allow yourself to slack off.

00:36:15.000 And I don't think people put those kind of requirements on themselves as if it is a daily principle of life, like what you must get done.

00:36:26.000 You must brush your teeth, you must exercise for 45 minutes.

00:36:29.000 And if you did that, I think you'd be healthier and happier and your body would perform more smoothly.

00:36:35.000 And if you require your body to do things like that, I think it rises to the occasion.

00:36:40.000 There are very few people that have that kind of discipline.

00:36:42.000 So because of that, they come up with excuses.

00:36:45.000 And excuses are a giant part of the problem.

00:36:48.000 It's not simply a physical health issue.

00:36:51.000 There's also mental aspects of it.

00:36:53.000 And discipline's a big one.

00:36:54.000 I just know way too many people who are weak mentally.

00:36:57.000 And I can't just chalk it off to only their physical, the way they physically feel. 1.00

00:37:03.000 Because I felt like shit a hundred times. 0.99

00:37:05.000 And then I worked out and then I felt way better. 0.99

00:37:08.000 It's just a fact of life.

00:37:10.000 That's real.

00:37:12.000 People don't know how to do that.

00:37:14.000 And if you're used to doing this, get in your car, sit down, drive to the office, sit down, go to the lunch, sit down, go to the board meeting, sit down, get in your car on the way home, sit down, get home in front of the TV, sit down.

00:37:29.000 Then go to the gym? 1.00

00:37:30.000 Fuck off. 1.00

00:37:31.000 They don't have any energy. 1.00

00:37:32.000 Their body's like, I don't have it in me to do this.

00:37:36.000 And I don't believe that.

00:37:38.000 I don't believe that.

00:37:39.000 I think a lot of it is the mindset.

00:37:42.000 So I partly agree with that, but because, and I know I'm like, I was a very sick individual.

00:37:47.000 You're in a different case.

00:37:48.000 You have real, legitimate, diagnosed physical issues.

00:37:52.000 This is a very different thing.

00:37:54.000 You have a severe autoimmune disorder. 0.99

00:37:56.000 I mean, listen, you get your hip replaced and you're fucking 17. That's crazy. 1.00

00:38:01.000 You don't hear that.

00:38:02.000 This is a different... 1.00

00:38:03.000 I'm talking about the average fat fuck just sitting around being lazy. 1.00

00:38:07.000 That's really what it is. 1.00

00:38:09.000 It's like, I'm sure a lot of it is diet and a lot of that diet affects their physical health.

00:38:14.000 But there's been many, many people that have just put their foot down and said, enough.

00:38:18.000 I'm going to change my life.

00:38:20.000 And they don't take any excuses and they feel way, way better.

00:38:24.000 Diet is most certainly a part of that.

00:38:27.000 But there's also a discipline aspect.

00:38:28.000 And these things are not mutually exclusive.

00:38:31.000 They exist together.

00:38:32.000 They're all together.

00:38:33.000 And they work symbiotically.

00:38:35.000 The way your mindset affects the choices you make with your diet.

00:38:40.000 And the mindset also affects the choices you make in terms of whether or not you require yourself to exercise.

00:38:47.000 And I think these are critical aspects that people like to gloss over or they like to make excuses about.

00:38:54.000 And they get very angry if you don't accept those excuses.

00:38:57.000 And that's a sign that they're trying to enforce this standard and this idea and push it on you and give themselves an excuse.

00:39:06.000 It's one of the reasons why they get angry.

00:39:08.000 It's one thing if someone has a legit physical issue like you do, but there's a lot of people who do not.

00:39:13.000 They just have poor diet choices.

00:39:14.000 They have a sedentary lifestyle.

00:39:20.000 Okay.

00:39:26.000 I kind of agree.

00:39:27.000 I just, from like my perspective, I've seen my dad and he was very like, you can see from the videos from 2014 before he started going low carb and everything, he was carrying about 50 extra pounds.

00:39:37.000 Right.

00:39:38.000 And he didn't exercise.

00:39:40.000 And he didn't have enough energy to exercise.

00:39:42.000 That's not true.

00:39:42.000 But it didn't look like that.

00:39:44.000 That's not true.

00:39:45.000 He just didn't do it.

00:39:46.000 No, I don't believe that.

00:39:47.000 But when you say he didn't have enough energy to exercise, did he walk around?

00:39:50.000 Well, yeah, but you can drag yourself through things.

00:39:53.000 And you can drag yourself through an exercise routine.

00:39:55.000 You can.

00:39:56.000 But you most certainly can.

00:39:57.000 You most certainly can.

00:39:58.000 You don't have to do a lot.

00:39:59.000 You just have to do something.

00:40:01.000 You walk up hills.

00:40:02.000 You jump a little rope.

00:40:03.000 You take a little tiny kettlebell.

00:40:04.000 You do a couple cleans and presses.

00:40:06.000 You do a few push-ups.

00:40:07.000 You do a few sit-ups.

00:40:08.000 You get your blood pumping.

00:40:09.000 You're moving.

00:40:10.000 You're alive.

00:40:11.000 You're exercising.

00:40:12.000 To say you don't have enough energy to exercise, that's crazy.

00:40:15.000 Can you walk to the refrigerator?

00:40:17.000 Then you can exercise.

00:40:18.000 I'm not saying that you have to run marathons.

00:40:21.000 You can exercise. 0.99

00:40:22.000 And everyone should fucking exercise. 0.99

00:40:24.000 I agree. 0.99

00:40:25.000 Everyone should exercise.

00:40:26.000 But don't ever say. 0.94

00:40:27.000 These people are so crazy. 0.95

00:40:29.000 They want you to believe. 0.98

00:40:30.000 I don't have the energy to exercise. 1.00

00:40:32.000 God damn it. 0.99

00:40:33.000 Everyone does. 0.99

00:40:33.000 If you're alive, you can exercise. 0.99

00:40:35.000 I believe that.

00:40:36.000 I've been there.

00:40:37.000 I know I'm a different case.

00:40:38.000 But I've seen my dad there.

00:40:39.000 And then here's the thing.

00:40:40.000 Once he fixed up his diet, once he went to this carnivore diet, he's exercising now.

00:40:44.000 Sure.

00:40:45.000 Sure, he's got less weight on his body.

00:40:47.000 He feels better.

00:40:47.000 And he has energy.

00:40:48.000 That's wonderful.

00:40:49.000 He could have exercised then, too.

00:40:51.000 He would have felt shittier, for sure.

00:40:52.000 Wouldn't have felt as good as he's feeling now.

00:40:54.000 But to give people this excuse, I don't have the energy to exercise.

00:40:58.000 That is crazy to say. 1.00

00:40:59.000 Can you walk to the fucking refrigerator? 1.00

00:41:02.000 Yes. 1.00

00:41:02.000 Well, you can exercise. 1.00

00:41:04.000 You don't have to do anything crazy.

00:41:06.000 Just walk around the block.

00:41:08.000 There's 80 year old ladies who take yoga with me. 1.00

00:41:11.000 They're fucking really old. 0.99

00:41:14.000 And they're in there. 1.00

00:41:15.000 They're going after it.

00:41:16.000 They could easily say, I don't have the energy to do that.

00:41:18.000 But they don't.

00:41:19.000 It's a mental attitude.

00:41:21.000 They make a decision.

00:41:22.000 I agree.

00:41:23.000 There's a lot of it's discipline.

00:41:24.000 You're going to get people who just want to exercise.

00:41:26.000 Yeah, but you don't have to kill yourself.

00:41:27.000 You don't have to go to a CrossFit class and try to do the workout of the day.

00:41:30.000 You don't have to go nuts and do clean and presses with 150 pounds.

00:41:33.000 You don't have to do that.

00:41:34.000 But you have to do something.

00:41:35.000 Just get your blood moving. 0.57

00:41:37.000 Your body has requirements.

00:41:38.000 It wants to move.

00:41:39.000 It really does.

00:41:40.000 And when it does, you feel better.

00:41:41.000 But people like to give themselves this excuse.

00:41:43.000 I do not have the energy to do this.

00:41:46.000 Whatever.

00:41:47.000 If you decide that, that's true.

00:41:49.000 But if you watch a motivational video, there's a hundred of them on YouTube, thousands even.

00:41:53.000 Go watch one, you'll get fired up. 0.99

00:41:54.000 You're like, fuck it, I'm going to jump some rope. 1.00

00:41:56.000 You jump some rope, you do something. 1.00

00:41:58.000 Just do some push-ups, do something, do some bodyweight squats.

00:42:01.000 You'll feel better.

00:42:03.000 But it's also like learning that, learning that and having that as a part of your daily life.

00:42:08.000 It has to be, you know, again, I'm not talking about someone like you who's in the throes of this autoimmune disorder where you're getting your hip replaced at 17. I'm not talking about someone with like serious degenerative illness.

00:42:19.000 I'm talking about just a regular person who's overweight.

00:42:22.000 You can do it.

00:42:23.000 There's a lady who's like 450 pounds that takes yoga with me. 1.00

00:42:26.000 She's enormous.

00:42:27.000 She's in there.

00:42:28.000 It's probably really embarrassing.

00:42:30.000 Very hard to do.

00:42:32.000 And she's in there.

00:42:35.000 Anyone can do it.

00:42:36.000 We can do it.

00:42:36.000 And again, I'm not saying do what Michael Phelps does.

00:42:39.000 I'm just saying just do something.

00:42:41.000 Gotta do something. 0.97

00:42:42.000 We have fucked up lifestyles. 0.96

00:42:45.000 The lifestyles that people have are just... 0.98

00:42:47.000 The human body is not designed to sit down all day and it's certainly not designed to be stuck in traffic and be in an office and just be fluorescent lights and just sitting there. 0.99

00:42:57.000 In front of a fucking computer monitor, watching your soul get sucked through the LCD screen. 1.00

00:43:02.000 It's crazy. 1.00

00:43:04.000 Yeah.

00:43:04.000 Yeah, I agree.

00:43:06.000 I think we've got to be really careful with just the way we describe things.

00:43:10.000 It's like, say, I don't have the energy to do something. 1.00

00:43:13.000 Fuck off. 1.00

00:43:14.000 Stop. 1.00

00:43:14.000 I don't know. 1.00

00:43:15.000 I believe it still.

00:43:17.000 That was good, but I'm still not convinced.

00:43:19.000 You're still not convinced?

00:43:20.000 Well, I think you change your diet.

00:43:23.000 It helps.

00:43:23.000 And then you can exercise.

00:43:24.000 Well, you can exercise without changing your diet.

00:43:26.000 There's a lot of people do.

00:43:27.000 They do, yeah.

00:43:29.000 And partly that's discipline.

00:43:32.000 Yes.

00:43:32.000 But partly that's being able to.

00:43:36.000 I'm still, I don't know.

00:43:37.000 You haven't convinced me completely.

00:43:39.000 So what do you think is holding them back?

00:43:42.000 Well, I think if you're carrying around extra weight, like quite a bit of extra weight, and you say, I don't have enough energy, there's something serious going on that isn't just, oh, I have a few extra pounds.

00:43:52.000 And I don't think we know exactly what that looks like.

00:43:55.000 But a lot of that has to do with energy.

00:43:57.000 I mean, Dad was sleeping.

00:43:59.000 He was sleeping for two hours a day in the middle of the day, and he was impossible to wake up.

00:44:03.000 He couldn't wake up.

00:44:04.000 I had to, like, shake him and...

00:44:06.000 Right, but your dad told me he was on a standard diet of, like, sandwiches and pasta and things along those lines.

00:44:14.000 So you have that big insulin dump.

00:44:16.000 Yeah.

00:44:17.000 Yeah.

00:44:18.000 But, I mean, most people who don't have enough energy are.

00:44:21.000 And a lot of those people don't realize, like, we were eating whole grains.

00:44:24.000 We didn't know that whole grains were just grains.

00:44:27.000 We thought that whole grains were healthy.

00:44:29.000 So I was having sandwiches for lunch because I was having cheese and bread, and that was protein.

00:44:35.000 Right, but your dad has autoimmune disorders as well.

00:44:38.000 Yeah.

00:44:38.000 Pretty significant, right?

00:44:40.000 Well, the depression was the main one.

00:44:43.000 That was very significant, yeah.

00:44:48.000 It's hard to also figure out what is depression.

00:44:51.000 You say you had depression.

00:44:53.000 To a person who doesn't have depression, like myself, I hear that and I go, okay, what does that mean?

00:44:58.000 Does it mean you feel bad?

00:45:00.000 What does it mean?

00:45:00.000 Does it mean there's a thick, wet blanket over your life that you can't get out of?

00:45:04.000 Yeah, it means there's a couple of things.

00:45:09.000 It's impossible to think of when you're not depressed.

00:45:13.000 But the closest I get to is if you're in a really, really stressful situation and a whole bunch of things go wrong at the same time, that stress you feel is kind of like a really, really mild version of being depressed.

00:45:24.000 But being depressed is like if you look at something I think?

00:45:50.000 But that's all you can think of all the time.

00:45:53.000 That's partly anxiety.

00:45:54.000 But it's hell.

00:45:56.000 Like, having arthritis, I would choose arthritis a million times over than this depression.

00:46:01.000 It just wrecks you.

00:46:04.000 So what leads you to the carnivore diet?

00:46:07.000 This lady has been living on it for 18 years. 0.89

00:46:09.000 You read about her and that she's still alive without eating. 0.98

00:46:13.000 And her Lyme disease gone and she looks great.

00:46:16.000 This is a before and after picture.

00:46:17.000 She looks great.

00:46:18.000 And is she taking vitamins as well?

00:46:20.000 Nothing.

00:46:21.000 Beef and salt.

00:46:22.000 Right.

00:46:22.000 So this is what you hear.

00:46:23.000 So this anecdotal story is what leads you to give that a try.

00:46:27.000 Well, I thought, yeah.

00:46:28.000 This is 2017. So December.

00:46:31.000 December.

00:46:31.000 Yeah.

00:46:32.000 So not quite a year.

00:46:33.000 Okay.

00:46:34.000 So I switched over and then I had these transition symptoms.

00:46:38.000 Diarrhea.

00:46:39.000 Yeah.

00:46:39.000 That was basically it.

00:46:40.000 Some craving.

00:46:41.000 It's bold to hang in there with six weeks of diarrhea.

00:46:44.000 Yeah, but the alternative was like anxiety and itching and arthritis.

00:46:47.000 Well, you were also probably at the end of your rope, right?

00:46:50.000 Where you're like, Jesus Christ, I can't even eat miso soup.

00:46:53.000 Yeah.

00:46:53.000 Right.

00:46:54.000 Yeah.

00:46:54.000 There's nothing.

00:46:55.000 I was like, I don't care about salad.

00:46:56.000 I've already given up everything I love.

00:46:58.000 Just take it away.

00:47:00.000 And then after six weeks, it got better.

00:47:02.000 And then I reintroduced olives and that went badly.

00:47:04.000 And I thought, okay, I'm done with the reintroductions.

00:47:06.000 I'm just sticking with meat.

00:47:08.000 Your dad said he's going to try to reintroduce mushrooms.

00:47:12.000 Yeah.

00:47:12.000 We'll see how that goes.

00:47:14.000 He seems to be weirdly sensitive too, like in the same category as me.

00:47:18.000 But instead of getting arthritis and all these other things as well, he just gets the depression, which is the worst one.

00:47:24.000 Well, he said he introduced something to his diet and he didn't sleep for like 24 days.

00:47:29.000 Yeah.

00:47:29.000 That's not even possible.

00:47:31.000 He would be dead.

00:47:32.000 No, that's what it felt like.

00:47:34.000 I had the same thing.

00:47:36.000 We ate the same thing.

00:47:37.000 I think it was sulfites in apple cider in a stew I made.

00:47:42.000 I don't know what it was.

00:47:43.000 I think that's what it was.

00:47:45.000 And yeah, and then it was the itching came back, and the doom came in, this depression came in, and then that's weird and it hasn't happened very many times, but I got stuck with insomnia.

00:47:57.000 And it felt like we weren't sleeping.

00:47:59.000 So you slept like a little bit and you wake up?

00:48:01.000 Probably, yeah.

00:48:02.000 It does know what it felt like, but I'm sure, you know, it's not physically possible to stay awake for that long, but I didn't feel like sleeping.

00:48:07.000 What's the world record that someone's ever stayed awake?

00:48:10.000 I think it's only like 10 days.

00:48:11.000 Yeah, I think it's 11, 10 or 11. Yeah.

00:48:14.000 Something along those lines.

00:48:16.000 God, why would he do that?

00:48:18.000 Was it just a test?

00:48:19.000 11 days and 25 minutes.

00:48:21.000 25 minutes?

00:48:23.000 What?

00:48:23.000 At that 26th minute, that dude went down hard.

00:48:29.000 Wow, that's crazy. 0.99

00:48:32.000 So obviously your dad must, unless your dad stomped the shit out of that world record. 0.98

00:48:37.000 No, I'm sure he was sleeping, but it didn't feel like that, and it wasn't very much. 0.98

00:48:42.000 It's just crazy, that one thing.

00:48:44.000 Do you remember what it was that he reintroduced to his diet?

00:48:47.000 It wasn't a reintroduction.

00:48:51.000 We were just still eating apples at that point, and it was a cider, and it had sulfites added, and I looked at it and thought, whatever, it's like parts per million sulfites, it'll be fine.

00:49:02.000 That was the only thing that was new.

00:49:04.000 So do you think that as you get onto this elimination diet and you start taking things out...

00:49:10.000 You get more sensitive.

00:49:10.000 Yeah, you get more sensitive.

00:49:12.000 So it's like one of the things that I noticed in a big way is when I cut sugar out of my diet. 0.88

00:49:18.000 If I have sugar now, like if I go crazy and have an ice cream sundae, I hit a fucking wall so hard where I can't even get up. 0.97

00:49:25.000 I have to sit down on the couch. 0.98

00:49:26.000 It takes like an hour or two for it to get out of my system. 1.00

00:49:30.000 So for like an hour, I just sit there and I'm like, oh God, I feel like shit. 0.99

00:49:34.000 And then two hours later, I'm like, okay, it's done. 0.99

00:49:37.000 It's passed.

00:49:37.000 That's it.

00:49:37.000 It's two hours.

00:49:38.000 Yeah, about two hours.

00:49:39.000 It's like 24 days for me.

00:49:41.000 Yeah, I believe you.

00:49:43.000 I believe you.

00:49:43.000 But for me, it's just for two hours.

00:49:46.000 I mean, and again, I'm not depressed for two hours.

00:49:49.000 I just feel like I have a brick in my stomach and I feel like I'm on a tranquilizer.

00:49:55.000 Yeah.

00:49:56.000 Yeah.

00:49:57.000 So most of the, that's how I lived a whole bunch of my life.

00:50:00.000 That's crazy.

00:50:00.000 The tranquilizer, like the idiopathic hypersomnia.

00:50:03.000 It was like I was falling asleep during exams.

00:50:05.000 I drove home on the highway one time when I was 22 and I was falling asleep at the wheel and I was like, oh my God, like I can't stay awake, passing out.

00:50:13.000 And I like moved over into a lane and a truck came by and honked at me and I was like, oh my God, I'm going to die.

00:50:20.000 And then I went on Adderall.

00:50:22.000 Whoa.

00:50:23.000 I was like, I need to stay awake or I'm gonna die.

00:50:25.000 It was terrifying.

00:50:25.000 Did you get off the Adderall?

00:50:27.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:50:28.000 I'm off of everything.

00:50:29.000 And the Adderall, so I stopped taking the immune suppressants when I cut out gluten just to see how my arthritic flare-ups would go, if anything would happen.

00:50:38.000 Then I got off of the antidepressants November 2015. And then my fatigue lifted in January 2016. So I got off the Adderall right away then.

00:50:51.000 I was taking a lot and it was great when I was in that feeling like I was on tranquilizers.

00:50:57.000 It was great, but once you don't need it, it's kind of awful being on that amount of amphetamine all the time. 1.00

00:51:02.000 I know so many people that are on that shit. 0.99

00:51:04.000 It's so disturbing to me how many people are taking that and they talk about their productivity and they're always... 1.00

00:51:11.000 It makes you feel like you're being productive.

00:51:13.000 I don't know if it actually makes you more productive.

00:51:16.000 And it just destroys your short-term memory.

00:51:19.000 Does it?

00:51:19.000 Destroyed mine.

00:51:20.000 I was taking a lot though.

00:51:21.000 I was on 40 milligrams a day in the morning.

00:51:24.000 The long release.

00:51:26.000 It's one of those things I've always thought about trying.

00:51:28.000 I'm like, hmm, maybe one day.

00:51:30.000 If you have energy, I don't think it gives you a kick like if you're exhausted all the time.

00:51:38.000 It's just kind of unpleasant and it makes you like weirdly antisocial.

00:51:44.000 Okay, so you haven't been on this diet for a year.

00:51:48.000 What has the change, once you got over the diarrhea, what has the change been like?

00:51:56.000 So the arthritis and the autoimmune stuff went away fairly quickly when I was still having diarrhea.

00:52:02.000 That went away.

00:52:02.000 The mood started to pick up six weeks into the diet.

00:52:06.000 And then in May, so I'd been December, January, March, April, May.

00:52:10.000 So five months into it, I had a huge improvement.

00:52:14.000 So things just got better and better every day.

00:52:16.000 And I finally got to the point where I was pre-pregnancy.

00:52:20.000 So since May...

00:52:23.000 I would say it's still getting better.

00:52:25.000 So it's only been three months that you've been okay?

00:52:28.000 No, I've been okay since January, but my mood went from like a eight to like a nine and a half like great in May.

00:52:37.000 So I was feeling good after I started after this first six weeks.

00:52:42.000 But then things got a lot better in May.

00:52:45.000 It seems to be just improving.

00:52:47.000 Now, what kind of blood work are you getting while you're doing all this?

00:52:50.000 Are you going and getting tested for nutritional deficiencies?

00:52:55.000 Because one of the issues that many people who are nutritionists or who are studying biology have with this carnivore diet is that Just meat is very deficient in many, many nutrients.

00:53:10.000 It's very deficient in vitamin C. It's deficient in several things that we think that you need in order to live.

00:53:18.000 Yeah.

00:53:19.000 Well, I did get blood work done because people were asking.

00:53:22.000 And not because I particularly trust blood work because my blood work was always pretty normal.

00:53:26.000 I was always low in zinc and vitamin D since I was a kid.

00:53:29.000 Even when you had severe arthritis.

00:53:31.000 Yeah, everything was normal.

00:53:32.000 I had no blood markers and I was like dying.

00:53:36.000 What about for inflammation?

00:53:38.000 My white blood cell count was high.

00:53:40.000 That can be a sign of like infection.

00:53:42.000 So that was high.

00:53:43.000 My vitamin D and my zinc were low.

00:53:45.000 That's what showed up.

00:53:47.000 But that wouldn't be normal, right?

00:53:48.000 If you went and you got your blood tested and they showed you have a high white blood cell count, they would go, there's an issue here.

00:53:54.000 It wasn't abnormal enough to have caused the problems I was experiencing.

00:54:00.000 But how different was it from the norm?

00:54:04.000 White blood cell count?

00:54:06.000 Well, I had white bloods, raised white blood cell count, and I had white blood cells in my urine.

00:54:12.000 That's a little weird, because that is generally like, well, some sort of bacterial infection, which I didn't have symptoms of.

00:54:21.000 So that was a little weird, but that was never focused on from the doctors.

00:54:25.000 Why not?

00:54:25.000 Well, that seems like that's an issue.

00:54:28.000 If normal people don't have that, and you have problems that normal people don't have, I would say your blood work is not normal.

00:54:36.000 That's not normal.

00:54:37.000 No, but I mean, I was on all the medications they could put me on, and they never looked at diet, so I was kind of at a standstill.

00:54:45.000 Right, but when you said that you don't trust blood work, and then...

00:54:48.000 Well, I did get it done, mostly for the blog so that everybody could see I wasn't dying.

00:54:52.000 I can pull it up.

00:54:54.000 Okay.

00:54:55.000 That was one of the issues with Sean Baker.

00:54:57.000 Sean got his blood work done and one of the things that people noticed is that there's quite a few issues there.

00:55:02.000 And one of them was very, very low testosterone, which is crazy because he's a gorilla.

00:55:06.000 Yeah.

00:55:07.000 He's a big six foot five, 250 pound dude.

00:55:10.000 So it's like, well, he doesn't look deficient in testosterone.

00:55:13.000 Like what the hell's going on here?

00:55:14.000 Yeah, I don't have testosterone readings.

00:55:17.000 He also said that part of that might, you know, he and I have gone back and forth about this.

00:55:21.000 He said part of that might have been had to do with taking the test when he had done like a very heavy weightlifting workout the day before.

00:55:30.000 Like he'd done squats and deadlifts and all kinds of stuff.

00:55:32.000 And so maybe broke his body down a bit.

00:55:34.000 Yeah.

00:55:34.000 Which kind of makes sense.

00:55:35.000 Well, it would be nice for a medical professional to take some of these groups of people doing this diet and just do a study so we could actually get some information.

00:55:44.000 Yeah.

00:55:44.000 Instead of, like, everything's anecdotal.

00:55:46.000 And I put my stuff up, but just because, so I can show it to you, but everything is normal.

00:55:53.000 Everything is normal.

00:55:54.000 My ferritin is slightly, slightly elevated.

00:55:57.000 What is ferritin?

00:55:59.000 Iron.

00:56:00.000 Okay.

00:56:01.000 So that's slightly elevated.

00:56:03.000 Because you're eating a lot of red meat.

00:56:05.000 But that's not bad.

00:56:07.000 Not necessarily.

00:56:08.000 And it was still like my doctor said.

00:56:10.000 He didn't care.

00:56:10.000 It wasn't elevated enough.

00:56:12.000 What about vitamins?

00:56:15.000 So for vitamins...

00:56:19.000 Vitamins, my zinc is still low.

00:56:22.000 My vitamin D is still low.

00:56:24.000 It hasn't recovered.

00:56:25.000 It's been like that.

00:56:26.000 It's been like that forever.

00:56:28.000 Well, it's hard in Canada.

00:56:30.000 Like I have some pictures on Instagram and I'm green because there's no light for like six months.

00:56:36.000 And then I'm outside all summer.

00:56:40.000 So I'm probably deficient.

00:56:44.000 I think that has something to do with the autoimmune disorder.

00:56:46.000 I tried supplementing with really high dose vitamin D and didn't see any benefits.

00:56:52.000 And I don't take supplements anymore.

00:56:54.000 The high dose vitamin D. I tried once when I was 21 for about a year and then again when I was doing the low carb diet.

00:57:03.000 But what about now when your issues with vitamin D are in your blood work?

00:57:07.000 I just got my blood work back.

00:57:08.000 So I was doing no supplements so that I could see what happened.

00:57:13.000 Also, I probably wouldn't recommend a high dose of vitamin D. I would just recommend supplementing with a normal dose of vitamin D. I think I'm just going to wait and see and get tested in a year.

00:57:25.000 I'm not too concerned and see what happens because here's what's interesting.

00:57:29.000 When I went to the low-carb diet, my B vitamins were low.

00:57:33.000 So this was during the pregnancy.

00:57:34.000 I got this first test and my B12 was fine, but everything else was low.

00:57:39.000 Follate was low, B1, B3, B6, and biotin.

00:57:44.000 We're all low on the low carb diet.

00:57:46.000 Right.

00:57:46.000 And my naturopath said, maybe you have a microbiome problem.

00:57:51.000 Whatever that means.

00:57:52.000 Whenever someone says my naturopath said, I just go, oh.

00:57:55.000 Yeah.

00:57:56.000 What else did they say?

00:57:56.000 You need a crystal in your pocket.

00:57:58.000 Yeah.

00:57:59.000 Keep a crystal with you at all times.

00:58:02.000 You know what?

00:58:03.000 They were there telling me to cut out gluten for years and I was like, what do you know?

00:58:07.000 Right. 0.99

00:58:08.000 Crazy person. 0.99

00:58:09.000 Yeah. 0.97

00:58:09.000 I could have probably stopped some suffering. 0.97

00:58:12.000 You need to put a dream catcher on your wall.

00:58:13.000 Put a dream catcher above your bed.

00:58:15.000 That'll help.

00:58:17.000 Anyway, this new micronutrients test, vitamin D and not calcium, vitamin D and zinc are still low, but all my B's have gone up.

00:58:32.000 So none of my B's, folate is still borderline, but it was deficient before, and all my other B's have gone up to normal.

00:58:40.000 What about vitamin C? Oh, vitamin C was always normal.

00:58:42.000 Vitamin C hasn't changed at all.

00:58:44.000 That's fascinating because that's one of the ones I think people are deficient if you are on this diet.

00:58:50.000 Well, I did some background reading because I thought people died of scurvy if they didn't eat vegetables, just like everybody thinks that.

00:58:58.000 Right.

00:58:58.000 But it turns out vitamin C and glucose compete Right.

00:59:03.000 So if you don't eat glucose, you just don't use as much vitamin C. Mm-hmm.

00:59:08.000 Yeah.

00:59:09.000 And I haven't been supplementing, but my vitamin C is totally fine.

00:59:12.000 Yeah, Sean Baker sent me something about that, something along those lines, that some of the vitamin C that you're taking in is competing with glucose and that you need far less of it and it's far more effective.

00:59:25.000 Mm-hmm.

00:59:25.000 So there is some vitamin C in beef.

00:59:29.000 Yeah.

00:59:29.000 Are you choosing to eat grass-fed beef or do you care?

00:59:33.000 So initially, I tried to get rid of all the variables because I didn't know what I was reacting to.

00:59:36.000 So I was eating grass-fed, antibiotic-free, all that stuff.

00:59:40.000 And now I'm eating, mostly I try to stay away from the antibiotic and hormone meat, but I'm eating grain-finished because it's just so much cheaper than grass-fed.

00:59:48.000 And I have no problems with it.

00:59:50.000 How would you know whether or not beef has antibiotics or hormones in it?

00:59:54.000 You just trust the labeling.

00:59:56.000 Right.

00:59:57.000 That's it.

00:59:58.000 But I've gone out to eat in restaurants where I'm sure the meat's lower quality and I haven't had an autoimmune flare up with that.

01:00:06.000 So when you go out to eat, you know, one of the things you posted the other day was that you had a steak that had pepper on it.

01:00:12.000 Yeah, I had pepper on Monday.

01:00:13.000 Pepper, like ground pepper?

01:00:15.000 And you're freaking out?

01:00:16.000 I was freaking out on Monday, yeah.

01:00:18.000 I was like, I don't know what happens.

01:00:20.000 Wow.

01:00:21.000 It's okay.

01:00:21.000 I'm fine.

01:00:23.000 But yeah, I was freaking out.

01:00:24.000 I was stressed out for the whole day.

01:00:26.000 But it's like, first of all, these flare-ups don't happen instantly, so it gives you enough time to freak out about if they're going to happen for a couple days.

01:00:34.000 Right.

01:00:34.000 And then it's like a month of an autoimmune disorder and depression and brain fog and not being able to think.

01:00:41.000 It's horrible.

01:00:42.000 So yeah, I'm freaked out, but I'm okay.

01:00:43.000 The one thing I found really helps, the only thing I found that helps these reactions is an infrared sauna.

01:00:50.000 If I get in there like once a day and sweat...

01:00:52.000 Only an infrared one.

01:00:54.000 What about a regular one?

01:00:56.000 Um...

01:00:56.000 Do you know?

01:00:57.000 Honestly, no, I don't know.

01:00:58.000 You don't know.

01:00:58.000 So the idea just to elevated heat, temperature, whether it's infrared or not...

01:01:03.000 Yeah, I don't know if it's...

01:01:04.000 I've just read all the benefits of infrared.

01:01:06.000 But I haven't...

01:01:07.000 What are the benefits over a regular sauna?

01:01:10.000 Wow.

01:01:10.000 There's like longevity studies from Finland.

01:01:13.000 Those are done in a regular sauna.

01:01:14.000 That's a regular sauna.

01:01:16.000 Yeah.

01:01:16.000 The ones that are done that show the decrease in mortality of 40%.

01:01:20.000 That's a regular sauna.

01:01:21.000 It's a regular sauna.

01:01:22.000 Yeah.

01:01:23.000 What about mitochondrial health?

01:01:24.000 Why don't you Google that, please?

01:01:27.000 There's a study.

01:01:28.000 Maybe Rhonda Patrick has it up on her website.

01:01:31.000 Because I asked her whether I should get a regular sauna or an infrared.

01:01:34.000 And she said the studies that were done were done with a regular sauna.

01:01:37.000 Wow.

01:01:37.000 But she said the real issue is that your body's producing heat shock proteins.

01:01:42.000 So whether it's infrared or regular, the real issue is your body's in this extreme 170 degree temperature, produces these cytokines and these cytokines?

01:01:51.000 Cytokines.

01:01:52.000 And your body is reacting to this incredible temperature, and this is what produces this anti-inflammation effect.

01:01:59.000 I would think for someone like you, with arthritis in particular, anything that reduces inflammation would be a great benefit.

01:02:06.000 So sauna would be awesome.

01:02:08.000 If I'm reacting, sauna makes me feel 20% better.

01:02:11.000 Like a lot better after I get out.

01:02:14.000 If I'm not reacting, I don't sweat as much when I get in, and it's nice, but it's not a huge relief like it is when I'm reacting.

01:02:22.000 It's giant for me.

01:02:23.000 I mean, I don't have the autoimmune issues that you have, but boy, for me, it's just, it's a game changer.

01:02:29.000 Yeah.

01:02:29.000 I get in there for 20 minutes, half hour, and I get out of there.

01:02:32.000 It's just like, everything just feels better.

01:02:33.000 Yeah.

01:02:34.000 Yeah.

01:02:34.000 And it hits me, like, about 20 minutes after I get out, I get this mood up.

01:02:38.000 It's just like, ah.

01:02:39.000 Once your body, I think that what that is, is your temperature normalizes, and your body temperature normalizes after you're out of that heat, and then everything's just like, ah.

01:02:48.000 Yeah, no, it's great.

01:02:49.000 Yeah.

01:02:49.000 It's great.

01:02:50.000 Have you done cryotherapy?

01:02:52.000 Yeah.

01:02:52.000 Similar feeling, right?

01:02:53.000 Yeah, not as good, I don't think.

01:02:56.000 No.

01:02:56.000 But similar feeling.

01:02:58.000 It's better actually for pain.

01:02:59.000 So my ankle replacement still gives me problems because it's an ankle replacement.

01:03:04.000 So I've done cryotherapy for that, and that works better for pain, I think, than the sauna does.

01:03:10.000 Now, what do they do when they replace your ankle?

01:03:12.000 Do they cut off the bottom of the joint and recap it and put something else there?

01:03:17.000 So they cut off, yeah, they cut off the bottom of the tibia. 0.98

01:03:23.000 It's a big bone.

01:03:24.000 Tibia.

01:03:25.000 And then they replace the top of the talus. 0.99

01:03:28.000 It sucks.

01:03:29.000 And I got it done in 2009 when the ankle joints weren't as good as they are now.

01:03:36.000 So now I'm left with this like old ankle joint and I'm 26. So I have to get it looked at because it's giving me problems.

01:03:45.000 Are you gonna get another one?

01:03:46.000 Oh god no I hope not.

01:03:48.000 I think they're just gonna try and fix it.

01:03:49.000 Get some super dope carbon fiber new model.

01:03:52.000 I know.

01:03:52.000 They don't have that.

01:03:54.000 Nobody's like making anything cool.

01:03:56.000 No?

01:03:57.000 No.

01:03:58.000 It seems like they're constantly improving that.

01:04:00.000 I mean...

01:04:01.000 That's what it looks like on YouTube, but that's not really what it looks like in real life.

01:04:05.000 No?

01:04:05.000 No.

01:04:06.000 I was like, maybe I could just get a new foot.

01:04:07.000 I could get a better foot, right?

01:04:09.000 I don't want a new foot.

01:04:10.000 Do you want a new foot?

01:04:11.000 Well...

01:04:11.000 Some robot foot?

01:04:13.000 Maybe. 0.99

01:04:13.000 Go to the nail salon, like, what the fuck is this? 0.99

01:04:17.000 Depends on the robot foot. 0.99

01:04:19.000 You'd be down for a robot foot if it took away all your pain?

01:04:22.000 Oh my god, yeah.

01:04:23.000 If I could run again?

01:04:24.000 I can't run with an ankle replacement.

01:04:26.000 What about your hip replacement?

01:04:27.000 My hip replacement's fine.

01:04:29.000 I have friends that got a hip replacement and they said running's out of the question.

01:04:33.000 It's out of the idea.

01:04:34.000 There's no way.

01:04:35.000 You can't run.

01:04:36.000 I could run on the hip replacement.

01:04:38.000 Really?

01:04:38.000 Yeah, I can limp along with my ankle, but the hip replacement gives me no problems.

01:04:43.000 It's great.

01:04:43.000 But I thought that the load that is placed on the hip is not...

01:04:47.000 I don't think they recommend activities like that all the time.

01:04:52.000 All the time.

01:04:52.000 But even like an elliptical, that's pretty low impact.

01:04:57.000 And I can't do that because of my ankle, but my hip is fine.

01:05:01.000 Have you ever tried a VersaClimber?

01:05:04.000 No.

01:05:04.000 We have one out there.

01:05:05.000 I don't even know.

01:05:05.000 What is it?

01:05:06.000 It's an angled, like a beam with handles on it.

01:05:11.000 And you do this.

01:05:14.000 Phenomenal cardio.

01:05:15.000 It's amazing.

01:05:16.000 Works your core because you're at an angle, so you're kind of planking almost a little bit while you're doing it.

01:05:21.000 Oh, wow.

01:05:22.000 Yeah.

01:05:23.000 That might work better.

01:05:24.000 Yeah, you do sprints with it and then do like Tabatas, like 20-10s.

01:05:29.000 Wow.

01:05:29.000 Like 20 seconds on, 10-second break, 20 seconds on, 10-second break.

01:05:33.000 Phenomenal.

01:05:34.000 Hmm.

01:05:34.000 Yeah, it's one of the best exercises in terms of cardio.

01:05:38.000 Huh.

01:05:38.000 I stopped, so...

01:05:40.000 Can you do a bike?

01:05:41.000 I can't really do anything with this ankle.

01:05:44.000 Wow.

01:05:44.000 Yeah, it's a huge pain.

01:05:46.000 I'm going to need to get surgery.

01:05:47.000 I think I'm getting something done in January.

01:05:49.000 And what are they going to do?

01:05:51.000 So basically bone has grown into the joint.

01:05:54.000 So it's basically fused.

01:05:58.000 So I just don't have any movement.

01:06:00.000 And it kind of hurts.

01:06:01.000 And it doesn't hurt like it hurt when I needed it replaced, but it hurts.

01:06:06.000 So they're going to go in and clean out all the bone and pray that that works.

01:06:11.000 Jesus.

01:06:12.000 So that's what my January is going to be. 0.99

01:06:14.000 Does this make you think that, like, if you got on this diet when you were younger, you could have avoided all this shit? 0.98

01:06:20.000 This is why I'm not very pleased with the medical community. 0.99

01:06:22.000 Well, how do they know?

01:06:23.000 I mean, they didn't know back then.

01:06:24.000 But they could have said, I don't know, they could have looked at the celiac thing.

01:06:28.000 Then I would have at least been clued in that gluten was a problem and maybe just removing that would have been good enough.

01:06:33.000 Well, it seems that the amount of research that they would have to do, I mean, think about how many different things you had to look at to come to that conclusion, the time you had to spend.

01:06:42.000 Yeah, like three years.

01:06:42.000 Yeah.

01:06:43.000 And Canada has public, I mean, you have public health care, right?

01:06:48.000 So it's weird, right?

01:06:51.000 Yeah.

01:06:51.000 They're not as motivated.

01:06:52.000 Yeah.

01:06:53.000 It's not ideal for people with very special problems.

01:06:57.000 Right.

01:06:58.000 It's good for general public.

01:07:00.000 And it's great if you don't have money and you need to get taken care of, but they have a lot of people coming in and out, right?

01:07:06.000 It's constant.

01:07:07.000 I'm getting the surgery done in North Carolina.

01:07:09.000 Wow. 1.00

01:07:11.000 Just fucking turn your back on Canada, huh? 1.00

01:07:14.000 I could wait around for like three and a half years for a surgeon that's not as good. 1.00

01:07:18.000 Yeah.

01:07:21.000 On this infrared thing, I'm finding very interesting stuff.

01:07:24.000 I remember reading what you said, but I'm not finding that.

01:07:28.000 What are you finding?

01:07:30.000 I've found a Ben Greenfield, I think it was a transcription of a podcast he did with Rhonda, and something else very similar, which is information from Dr. Joel Kahn, that says only sunlight and far infrared saunas have been shown to Yeah.

01:07:52.000 Yeah.

01:08:06.000 Ah, interesting.

01:08:08.000 So the infrared one is heating your body in specific rather than you being in the heat?

01:08:14.000 Correct.

01:08:15.000 Ah, interesting.

01:08:17.000 So you can do it longer, and that's where the benefits...

01:08:20.000 How much longer?

01:08:21.000 How long are you supposed to do it for?

01:08:22.000 It said at least 30 minutes.

01:08:23.000 But that's what I do anyway.

01:08:25.000 I don't know the difference. 1.00

01:08:26.000 So infrared sauna is good if you're a pussy. 1.00

01:08:28.000 That's where I didn't want to say that, but hey, maybe that's what they're saying. 1.00

01:08:31.000 I don't know.

01:08:32.000 Well, it seems like you get more benefit with less suffering.

01:08:37.000 That's what it would seem like.

01:08:38.000 Probably.

01:08:39.000 Because you could do it longer.

01:08:40.000 I think that's what they're getting at, but yeah, I don't know if that's the reason why.

01:08:43.000 I don't know if people have to just quit after 20 minutes and they can't get to the 30. Well, people do, man.

01:08:47.000 It does get uncomfortable, but if you get the same benefits and you could avoid the discomfort, why wouldn't you do that, right?

01:08:54.000 It's just uncomfortable right before you start sweating and you're like, oh, I'm really hot.

01:08:58.000 And then you start sweating and it's not as bad.

01:09:00.000 There's a new company that's making an infrared sauna that you work out in.

01:09:05.000 It's got a chin-up bar in and it's got all these resistance cables.

01:09:11.000 The other part of this too, which is I'd have to go more into science, is that I don't know, is that the LEDs, like the infrared light, can penetrate your skin, whereas the heat maybe can't.

01:09:21.000 Because it's just heat.

01:09:22.000 It's heating up your skin.

01:09:24.000 It's not...

01:09:25.000 Infrared is literally a wave.

01:09:27.000 It's a light wave.

01:09:28.000 It's a different kind of...

01:09:29.000 It invigorates your mitochondria.

01:09:30.000 It works at that level.

01:09:32.000 So maybe the studies that they did in...

01:09:34.000 What was it?

01:09:34.000 In Norway?

01:09:35.000 Finland, I think.

01:09:36.000 Maybe they just didn't have infrared there.

01:09:38.000 Maybe.

01:09:38.000 I don't know.

01:09:39.000 Because those Russian banyas, they do the regular saunas. 0.83

01:09:43.000 They use regular saunas and they go hot, cold, hot, cold.

01:09:46.000 And they've had some pretty awesome benefits of that.

01:09:51.000 There might be something to that, because dentists are using light now to harden fillings, so that's pretty new.

01:09:58.000 Science!

01:09:59.000 She blinded me with science!

01:10:02.000 Fascinating stuff.

01:10:03.000 It is all very fascinating stuff.

01:10:05.000 So sauna definitely helps you, either way.

01:10:08.000 Yeah, and I think, like, I've read some studies on it working at a mitochondrial level.

01:10:13.000 I don't know anything about it.

01:10:15.000 There's something to it, and it, after about half an hour, is the only thing that's helped.

01:10:20.000 I've tried, like...

01:10:22.000 I tried everything to get rid of these reactions faster like detoxification things or mostly just different weird different sort of detoxification things and nothing's helped except the sauna.

01:10:32.000 They still last for as long but they're not as awful.

01:10:35.000 So I was telling you that this guy Kevin Bass who is a PhD and a scientist and he contacted me and I contacted him.

01:10:46.000 Put on my glasses so I can see better.

01:10:49.000 And we went back and forth about this online.

01:10:54.000 And so he sent me a bunch of stuff, what he thinks.

01:10:59.000 And one of them is nutrient deficiency.

01:11:04.000 And that...

01:11:08.000 Immunosuppression from nutrient deficiency.

01:11:12.000 The idea is that maybe in having less nutrients and having less...

01:11:20.000 Dietary immunosuppression via deficiency might be helping you.

01:11:28.000 And he said basically crazier things have happened and that you reported still having symptoms when you get sick, even on a carnivore diet.

01:11:36.000 And he said that it shows that the carnivore diet is a symptomatic treatment.

01:11:40.000 It's not because she's removed the offending antigen.

01:11:44.000 What?

01:11:45.000 Yeah.

01:11:46.000 I don't even know if I understood all that properly.

01:11:48.000 Well, this is a very long...

01:11:51.000 He wrote a very, very long piece on this, and I appreciate that he took the time to do this.

01:11:57.000 One of the things that he's saying is, like, vitamin A... This diet could be vitamin A deficient, vitamin C deficient.

01:12:06.000 We went over that.

01:12:07.000 The thing is I have.

01:12:07.000 Vitamin E deficient, vitamin K deficient.

01:12:11.000 So you got your results back.

01:12:14.000 So you got tested.

01:12:16.000 My vitamin K is normal.

01:12:19.000 Vitamin A is normal.

01:12:21.000 Normal like above.

01:12:22.000 It says anything above 30 is okay for vitamin K2. Mine's 40. Everything above 70 is okay for vitamin A. Mine's 79. He said also that a lot of your symptoms, including joint destruction, fatigue, depression, etc., can be caused by the drugs that are used to treat rheumatoid arthritis.

01:12:40.000 Although our rheumatoid arthritis came first, though.

01:12:43.000 Right.

01:12:43.000 But then the joint destruction...

01:12:46.000 Was that post you being on those medications?

01:12:50.000 How are those studies even done?

01:12:51.000 How do you test if it's the drugs or the arthritis causing it?

01:12:54.000 I don't know.

01:12:55.000 I mean, this is his take on this.

01:12:57.000 These are the potential scenarios.

01:12:58.000 I mean, without rejecting it totally, you were on those drugs far, far earlier than your joints destroyed, right?

01:13:06.000 Yeah, I started the drugs grade four and then grade 11 were the replacements.

01:13:14.000 Yeah.

01:13:15.000 This whole thing is a very fascinating subject because people are not having the response that nutritionists would like them to have.

01:13:26.000 No.

01:13:27.000 Right.

01:13:27.000 Nutritionists would like you guys to be freaking out and falling apart, and everybody seems to be doing well.

01:13:32.000 I have a friend of mine who lives in San Diego who's been on the carnivore diet for a while, and he's a Navy SEAL. He said he feels fucking fantastic. 0.93

01:13:39.000 Yeah. 0.89

01:13:39.000 He said he just tried it out, see what it was like, and he's never felt better in his whole life. 0.89

01:13:45.000 Yeah.

01:13:46.000 Elimination diets.

01:13:47.000 This is a big thing.

01:13:49.000 Like getting yourself down to a very small number of foods.

01:13:55.000 You know, and that this seems to have some sort of a large benefit for people as well.

01:14:00.000 Yeah.

01:14:01.000 I mean, I think it would depend on the foods.

01:14:03.000 Yeah, it's like your body not having too much to manage and that people with autoimmune disorders and diseases having less to manage could potentially be what is benefiting you as well.

01:14:19.000 I don't think it's less though because if you survived only off of soy you're not going to do well.

01:14:23.000 I think it depends what you're eating.

01:14:25.000 One of the things that he's saying too is that when you get sick, the systemic inflammation probably opens up your intestinal barrier which causes autoimmune systems to kick in again.

01:14:35.000 He said the same thing happens with any food that causes your intestinal barrier to open up.

01:14:40.000 And he said, why is this happening?

01:14:41.000 I don't understand.

01:14:43.000 And that you and your father both think this could be some sort of hereditary thing.

01:14:48.000 Have you guys done any 23andMe testing?

01:14:50.000 Yeah, and what is that?

01:14:52.000 Have you been genotyped for different gene disorders perhaps?

01:14:56.000 Yeah, nothing showed up.

01:14:57.000 I ran it through.

01:14:59.000 Rhonda Patrick has something on her website, right?

01:15:02.000 I ran it through that.

01:15:03.000 I ran it through Prometheus.

01:15:04.000 Nothing shocking shows up.

01:15:06.000 I have the celiac gene.

01:15:08.000 Dad doesn't.

01:15:09.000 So that's not exactly the issue.

01:15:12.000 That was it.

01:15:14.000 Wow.

01:15:16.000 The whole thing is just...

01:15:18.000 It's one of the more interesting things is how people...

01:15:22.000 They always want to attach all these other things to it, the environmental concerns and the concern for the health and welfare of these animals and that you're supporting factory farming.

01:15:37.000 It gets very ideological.

01:15:42.000 Oh yeah, super fast.

01:15:44.000 Real quick, right?

01:15:45.000 But it's not what we're talking about.

01:15:46.000 No, I'm concerned about other people who are suffering as much as I was suffering.

01:15:52.000 Yeah.

01:15:53.000 That's it.

01:15:54.000 Right.

01:15:55.000 Before you're concerned with animals and everything else.

01:15:57.000 Way before.

01:15:58.000 Like, try living...

01:15:59.000 If your choice is to live with an autoimmune disorder and, like, die slowly that way, You can do that and not eat meat if you want to.

01:16:08.000 Well, it's also, I think, a disingenuous argument because 97% of the people in the world eat meat or some crazy number like that.

01:16:18.000 It's easy to tell other people that when you're not experiencing those symptoms.

01:16:21.000 It's also, yeah, I mean...

01:16:24.000 Definitely.

01:16:25.000 It's definitely easier if you're not experiencing those symptoms.

01:16:28.000 But there's so much meat-eating going on already.

01:16:31.000 And if people really can benefit greatly from just an all-meat diet, what are you going to tell them?

01:16:41.000 Don't do that.

01:16:42.000 Go vegan.

01:16:43.000 Yeah, keep suffering. 0.81

01:16:44.000 Go vegan and be covered in hives and itching and be in depressed states the rest of your life.

01:16:51.000 Yeah.

01:16:52.000 It's such a hot subject.

01:16:56.000 And I feel like this is something that we're going to have more insight on over the next few years because people are starting to study it now and it's starting to be, I mean, you know, Sean Baker, who's, you know, who's a physician.

01:17:08.000 And then you've got some really dedicated athletes that are trying it now, like, you know, Zach Bitter.

01:17:14.000 Mm-hmm.

01:17:15.000 What is he on the North American record for a 24-hour race?

01:17:20.000 Wow.

01:17:21.000 Or not for 24 hours, for 100 miles. 0.97

01:17:24.000 He ran 100 miles in 11 hours and 40 minutes, which is just fucking insane. 0.92

01:17:29.000 And he eats almost nothing but meat. 0.98

01:17:32.000 Yeah.

01:17:32.000 It's almost his entire diet.

01:17:33.000 He supplements with high levels of glucose, like those gels and shit like that, and ramps his carbs way up when he's going to do 100-mile races and things like that. 0.94

01:17:43.000 But that's obviously a ridiculous requirement on his body. 0.97

01:17:47.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:17:48.000 He's asking his body to run 100 fucking miles in 11 hours and 40 minutes. 1.00

01:17:53.000 Wow. 1.00

01:17:55.000 Wow!

01:17:56.000 Yeah.

01:17:56.000 That's crazy.

01:17:57.000 He also weighs five pounds.

01:18:00.000 I'm just joking.

01:18:01.000 He weighs like 140. But it's just, you know, his diet shows that it is possible to do extreme physical feats while you're on this.

01:18:12.000 Yeah.

01:18:13.000 He does a podcast also with Sean Baker.

01:18:16.000 So this is something that people are really starting to study now.

01:18:21.000 And there's a lot of argument.

01:18:23.000 There's a lot of hesitancy.

01:18:25.000 A lot of anger.

01:18:26.000 Oh, I read some article today criticizing you and your dad.

01:18:30.000 I know.

01:18:31.000 Yeah.

01:18:31.000 That's okay.

01:18:32.000 I find it kind of like...

01:18:33.000 I can understand.

01:18:34.000 A lot of people who go on the carnivore diet get really like vegan Haiti stuff.

01:18:38.000 Well, that's what they were doing.

01:18:40.000 Well, that's true.

01:18:41.000 But what they were doing is they're going off about the environment.

01:18:44.000 This was like methane gas produced by cows.

01:18:47.000 I don't think I saw this article.

01:18:49.000 It's just...

01:18:49.000 It's not...

01:18:50.000 It's not a good argument because this is happening. 0.97

01:18:53.000 If you're a person, I'm not saying that we don't all have a responsibility to do our part to try to save the environment, but if you're a person who's deathly ill, you go to the supermarket, there's a lot of fucking beef. 0.91

01:19:04.000 You can go buy beef. 0.95

01:19:06.000 It's right there.

01:19:06.000 And if you could buy that beef and it fixes you...

01:19:09.000 Why don't you stop and think about the ecological concerns, the environmental concerns, and then the physical concerns of people that are forced to take on these fucking ridiculous pharmaceutical medications and introduce those into their lives? 0.89

01:19:24.000 And think about you're also empowering these pharmaceutical companies and they're lobbying to stop natural cures. 0.93

01:19:33.000 They're trying to make Kratom illegal.

01:19:36.000 There's a lot of fuckery that's involved in pharmaceutical companies that we're well aware of.

01:19:41.000 A lot of cherry-picking studies. 0.93

01:19:44.000 They'll do a hundred studies.

01:19:45.000 One of them shows that there might be some benefit to this.

01:19:48.000 Ninety-nine shows it fucks you up and they ignore those and they're allowed to do this. 1.00

01:19:53.000 There's a lot of weird shit. 0.99

01:19:55.000 That we really should take into consideration before we support any sort of pharmaceutical alternative. 0.98

01:20:00.000 And pharmaceutical drugs aren't demons.

01:20:02.000 There's a lot of people that benefit greatly from pharmaceutical drugs.

01:20:05.000 I did.

01:20:05.000 I don't think I would have been able to figure this out unless I'd been on Adderall and had the energy to Google.

01:20:10.000 I'm sure.

01:20:11.000 I mean, look, there's benefits.

01:20:13.000 They're not all bad and they're not all good.

01:20:15.000 But I don't like that argument.

01:20:17.000 Like, hey, you know, if you go on the carnivore diet, you're contributing to methane that's fucking up the world.

01:20:24.000 Like, okay.

01:20:26.000 Is it better or worse than pharmaceutical drugs?

01:20:29.000 Is it better or worse than what they're doing?

01:20:31.000 Is it better or worse than the fact that, look, pharmaceutical drugs are in the water supply.

01:20:35.000 They've done tests on reservoirs and found pharmaceutical drugs in them.

01:20:38.000 They found pharmaceutical drugs in rivers.

01:20:41.000 Fish?

01:20:41.000 Yeah.

01:20:42.000 Shut the fuck up. 1.00

01:20:43.000 There's a lot going on here. 1.00

01:20:45.000 If you're going to look at this, you better look at it, if you want to make an argument against it, you better be balanced about this, because otherwise you're showing your ideological bend.

01:20:54.000 Like to say that it's about methane and about cows and factory farming.

01:21:00.000 Not really.

01:21:01.000 No.

01:21:01.000 There's a lot going on.

01:21:02.000 There's a lot going on.

01:21:03.000 Yeah.

01:21:03.000 This is a long and nuanced discussion.

01:21:06.000 And if you're painting this article in one way and talking only about the negative health and negative environmental concerns that are associated with beef production, like that beef production is going on no matter whether you like it or not.

01:21:22.000 Yeah.

01:21:23.000 If you think we can curb it back and slow it down a little bit, that would be wonderful.

01:21:27.000 But we have to look at it accurately.

01:21:29.000 Yeah.

01:21:29.000 Also, I believe they've proven that methane production from cows, and this only makes sense, is far less when they're on a natural diet, when they're pasture-raised, than it is if they're corn-fed.

01:21:46.000 But it makes sense because they have all sorts of issues when they're eating grain.

01:21:54.000 That could easily be a part of the problem as they're trying to fatten these cows up quicker and they're forcing them to eat something that's not natural for their body. 0.97

01:22:02.000 Have you ever seen that King Corn documentary?

01:22:05.000 No.

01:22:06.000 Great documentary, but it's a real- King corn? 1.00

01:22:08.000 Yeah, it's a mind fuck. 0.99

01:22:09.000 It's how corn's in everything? 1.00

01:22:10.000 Everything.

01:22:11.000 And then your DNA, like your whole body's like filled with corn. 0.68

01:22:15.000 Yeah, it's crazy because there's so much- I don't want to hear that.

01:22:18.000 It's crazy.

01:22:19.000 These guys did tests on the carbon in their body and they found how much corn is in their body.

01:22:25.000 Yeah.

01:22:26.000 I think it was the carbon in their body.

01:22:27.000 Whatever it was, they just...

01:22:28.000 And they go through the supermarket aisle and they find how many things have corn in them.

01:22:33.000 Yeah.

01:22:33.000 And that corn is subsidized by the government.

01:22:35.000 Yeah.

01:22:36.000 Soy.

01:22:36.000 Corn and soy and everything.

01:22:38.000 Yeah.

01:22:40.000 The articles – but again, this is also part of the problem.

01:22:45.000 These people who are writing these articles about your diet and about your dad and his – Part of this is just taking a shot at dad.

01:22:53.000 So that's the other problem.

01:22:55.000 Yeah.

01:22:56.000 There's certainly a lot of that.

01:22:57.000 But no, the articles aren't great.

01:22:59.000 I mean, it would be nice if someone, instead of saying, maybe she didn't have arthritis, or maybe she's just placeboing herself into this, or maybe it's deprivation that's making her feel better.

01:23:10.000 Like, it'd be nice if someone actually did a study.

01:23:13.000 What does it say, Jamie?

01:23:14.000 It says, cows are being fed a new diet that can reduce the amount of burping and cut emission methane by 20%.

01:23:21.000 It's from a 2008 article on AP. What are they being fed?

01:23:24.000 What's this new diet?

01:23:25.000 It didn't specifically say, I don't think.

01:23:28.000 They're being fed other cows.

01:23:31.000 What does it say?

01:23:33.000 Okay, special machine is used to cut the straw.

01:23:36.000 Okay, but still.

01:23:38.000 Yeah.

01:23:39.000 Mixed with sledge, silage, wheat, maize, soya, or sugar beet, which can be mixed with.

01:23:48.000 See if you Google...

01:23:53.000 Methane by cows who are pasture-raised.

01:23:58.000 Methane produced by cows who are grass-fed.

01:24:02.000 Weirdly enough, I thought I read that it was grain-fed cows that produced less methane.

01:24:07.000 Really?

01:24:08.000 Which isn't what I would have guessed.

01:24:09.000 That's interesting.

01:24:11.000 Grass-fed cattle do more methane.

01:24:14.000 What is that?

01:24:16.000 Produce do more methane? 0.54

01:24:17.000 What is that? 1.00

01:24:18.000 The fuck? 1.00

01:24:19.000 I'm not reading that. 1.00

01:24:20.000 Yeah, they fucked up. 1.00

01:24:20.000 Grass-fed cattle produce do more methane because it's harder to digest. 1.00

01:24:26.000 Okay, obviously do produce more methane because it's harder to digest grass than grain. 0.99

01:24:31.000 However, some argue grass that is continually grazed by grass-fed cattle sequesters enough carbon to make up the difference in methane.

01:24:40.000 Okay, that's what it is.

01:24:41.000 Yeah.

01:24:41.000 And healthy soil keeps carbon dioxide underground and out of the atmosphere.

01:24:45.000 Okay.

01:24:46.000 Yeah, there's a big story behind there.

01:24:48.000 Right.

01:24:48.000 So that's why it's better for the environment if they eat grass, which totally makes sense because they've been eating grass for a million years.

01:24:55.000 Yeah.

01:24:57.000 So here you are.

01:24:59.000 Here you are on this diet now and you've started to...

01:25:03.000 What are you doing?

01:25:04.000 Consulting people online?

01:25:05.000 So I am now, yeah.

01:25:07.000 I started about a month ago.

01:25:09.000 What does that involve?

01:25:11.000 People Skype me and basically want to see me and how I'm still alive only eating beef.

01:25:20.000 And then they ask me how to cook and things because nobody knows how to cook meat without anything on it.

01:25:25.000 Well, how do you cook with just beef?

01:25:28.000 They don't know what to do.

01:25:29.000 They're like, what oil do you use?

01:25:30.000 I don't use oil.

01:25:33.000 I think most of these people...

01:25:34.000 You can use tallow.

01:25:36.000 I use tallow.

01:25:37.000 I use tallow a lot.

01:25:39.000 But most of these people are really sick and really desperate and they haven't had any help from the medical system.

01:25:48.000 And so far, and this is completely true, anybody who's gone on to this like beef and salt and water diet, anybody I've seen who's been able to stick through that transition period where you like get off of carbs.

01:26:00.000 And explosive diarrhea.

01:26:02.000 Not everyone gets that.

01:26:03.000 Dad didn't get that.

01:26:04.000 Who are the lucky ones?

01:26:05.000 It seems to be 50-50. 0.99

01:26:06.000 It looks like the sicker you are... 0.99

01:26:10.000 Yeah, no. 0.96

01:26:11.000 It seems to be, but like seriously, 50% of people, and it seems like the sicker you are, the more likely you are to get that.

01:26:17.000 And I don't know if it's an inability to digest that amount of fat right away, or if it's a microbiome switch or something, but it seems to hit 50% of people, and the other 50% just switch over.

01:26:28.000 But everybody gets some sort of carb withdrawal, especially if you go from like a standard American diet over, then it's insane cravings.

01:26:35.000 Oh, do you get your ketones checked?

01:26:37.000 Have you done that?

01:26:38.000 I did.

01:26:38.000 I went to Paleo FX this year, and I got my ketones checked, and they were ridiculously high.

01:26:46.000 That was with a breath test.

01:26:48.000 And then I have urine strip tests, which I know aren't as accurate, but I haven't gone out of ketosis.

01:26:54.000 My diet's about 80% calories from fat.

01:26:57.000 How's that?

01:26:58.000 I eat ribs, which are really fatty.

01:27:02.000 I eat ribeyes sometimes, but I've been eating more and more fat.

01:27:05.000 So just calorically, I'm getting about 80% from the fat.

01:27:10.000 See, I eat a lot of meat, but I'm eating really lean meat because I'm eating a lot of wild game.

01:27:17.000 I'm not getting as much fat.

01:27:19.000 I think the fat's the good stuff.

01:27:21.000 I think it's definitely, it has a factor.

01:27:23.000 I just finished, I didn't finish, I'm halfway through a book called Fat of the Land by, I'm going to butcher this, but like Vilhelmir Stephenson.

01:27:31.000 And it was this dude who went to live with Inuit people in Canada for five years and he ate like they ate. 1.00

01:27:37.000 And it's amazing.

01:27:39.000 Historically, it shows how they dressed and how they lived and what parts of the animal they ate.

01:27:44.000 And so he lived off of what they ate, which was basically just meat and sometimes eggs for five years.

01:27:50.000 And then he came back.

01:27:51.000 I don't know if he was in England or in the States, but he came back and said, hey, look how healthy I am.

01:27:55.000 All I eat is meat.

01:27:56.000 This was in like the 30s.

01:27:58.000 And they said, no way.

01:27:59.000 You're supposed to have scurvy.

01:28:01.000 So him and his partner, whose last name is Anderson, went to Bellevue Hospital and they stayed under monitor just eating meat for a year.

01:28:11.000 And there are six studies done on them and you can find them online.

01:28:14.000 And they monitored like vitamin levels.

01:28:17.000 They monitor everything because kidney function because Back then, like nothing's changed in the last hundred years.

01:28:23.000 They said you're supposed to be dead of scurvy.

01:28:25.000 So I'm reading that book and he says fat was one of the main things they ate.

01:28:30.000 They also didn't eat any salt.

01:28:33.000 Hmm.

01:28:35.000 Now, they were eating, like, whale blubber and seal fat and things along those lines?

01:28:40.000 Mostly caribou.

01:28:41.000 Caribou?

01:28:42.000 Caribou's a very lean, though.

01:28:44.000 Yeah, but they ate...

01:28:45.000 He said they gave a lot of the really lean cuts to the dogs.

01:28:49.000 So they ate a lot of the fattier cuts.

01:28:51.000 They ate the brain.

01:28:52.000 They ate fat behind...

01:28:53.000 He goes into some serious detail.

01:28:55.000 They ate fat behind the eyes.

01:28:56.000 Yeah.

01:28:57.000 They boiled...

01:29:15.000 Is it good?

01:29:19.000 No.

01:29:21.000 No.

01:29:23.000 It's not the best.

01:29:26.000 Okay.

01:29:26.000 But it's definitely just weird like dough.

01:29:30.000 That's weird.

01:29:31.000 Yeah.

01:29:32.000 Huh.

01:29:32.000 Yeah.

01:29:33.000 It's a good book though.

01:29:34.000 And there's another person who was just eating meat and for some reason people have forgotten about him.

01:29:39.000 So, like, maybe the best to eat would be those really fat Japanese cows. 1.00

01:29:44.000 Those Kobe beef cows or Wagyu. 1.00

01:29:47.000 Because those are fat as fuck. 1.00

01:29:49.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:29:49.000 Those things, you look at those marbled cuts and you're like, what are you doing to that cow? 1.00

01:29:54.000 I don't know.

01:29:54.000 It's terrible, though.

01:29:55.000 Probably nothing good.

01:29:56.000 Nothing good.

01:29:57.000 No.

01:29:58.000 Those poor cows. 0.55

01:29:59.000 Yeah.

01:30:00.000 What I've been doing recently, which is a lot cheaper, is getting ground beef, which is lean, and adding tallow and just frying it.

01:30:06.000 Oh, that makes sense.

01:30:08.000 And it's way cheaper than steak, but it's super fatty because it's just spoonfuls of tallow in there.

01:30:13.000 And you just eat it.

01:30:14.000 Just put it in a bowl and eat it.

01:30:15.000 Are you getting bored with this at all?

01:30:17.000 No.

01:30:17.000 Not at all.

01:30:18.000 So after the first week sucked. 0.65

01:30:21.000 Because of the diarrhea? 0.96

01:30:22.000 First month kind of sucked. 0.98

01:30:23.000 I mean, that was one of the reasons it sucked.

01:30:26.000 But I was also like a missing salad I was having.

01:30:28.000 And I only went from greens down.

01:30:29.000 So it was a pretty easy transition, kind of.

01:30:33.000 Is the rest of your family on this diet as well?

01:30:35.000 Is your husband on this?

01:30:36.000 My mom, yeah.

01:30:37.000 He's on it as well?

01:30:38.000 Yeah.

01:30:38.000 Really?

01:30:39.000 And does he have any issues?

01:30:40.000 Health issues?

01:30:41.000 He was depressed.

01:30:43.000 Pretty severe depression.

01:30:45.000 Really?

01:30:45.000 And what was causing his depression?

01:30:47.000 Like, foods.

01:30:48.000 He had the same issues as me.

01:30:50.000 And I know how that sounds, but my dad was like, this seems to be genetic.

01:30:54.000 How can you have it too?

01:30:56.000 Whoa.

01:30:57.000 But, so it's not genetic.

01:31:00.000 Hmm.

01:31:01.000 That's interesting that you had that reaction.

01:31:04.000 Well, he was like, this is...

01:31:05.000 A little incredulous.

01:31:06.000 Well, I mean, those food reactions were kind of strange.

01:31:09.000 You know, people have like weird sympathetic disorders.

01:31:11.000 You know, like someone around them has something, they start to develop the same symptoms.

01:31:16.000 Yeah, so that's what Dad was thinking.

01:31:17.000 It wasn't like this, though.

01:31:18.000 He'll turn green.

01:31:19.000 His skin turns a different color when he eats the wrong thing.

01:31:22.000 Yeah.

01:31:23.000 I mean, not like green, but he gets pale.

01:31:25.000 You can see it.

01:31:27.000 Huh.

01:31:27.000 Oh, one thing I wanted to address when I was on here.

01:31:30.000 In Sean Baker's episode, he said something about eating apples that gave him low back pain.

01:31:34.000 And you were like, apples gave you low back pain?

01:31:36.000 And people in the comments were freaking out.

01:31:38.000 Right.

01:31:39.000 That's a symptom that happens to me too.

01:31:41.000 And it's not apples.

01:31:42.000 Low back pain.

01:31:42.000 Yeah, when my mood drops, I get lower back pain.

01:31:45.000 And so does dad.

01:31:46.000 And it's funny to freak out about until you get it.

01:31:49.000 But that's very commonly associated with depression.

01:31:53.000 And it is triggered by food with me too.

01:31:55.000 Well, I know that that's triggered by some people that have lower back issues when they eat inflammation causing foods, like pasta and sugar.

01:32:04.000 Yeah.

01:32:06.000 I went to a physical therapist once when I had a bulging disc in my neck, and she suggested that I cut out gluten.

01:32:13.000 I thought she was a crazy person. 1.00

01:32:14.000 I was like, what are you talking about? 0.91

01:32:15.000 Cut out gluten?

01:32:17.000 She goes, I know it sounds crazy, but a lot of these things cause issues and they cause inflammation.

01:32:22.000 That was like the first steps that I took.

01:32:24.000 That was the first step, yeah.

01:32:25.000 Gluten.

01:32:26.000 Yeah, well, also the first steps that I took to understand that foods cause inflammation.

01:32:30.000 I had never thought of that at all.

01:32:32.000 I said, no, no, someone yanked on my neck and now my neck's hurt.

01:32:35.000 I'm trying to fix it.

01:32:36.000 How do I fix my neck?

01:32:37.000 And when she was saying this, that the reduction of inflammation causing foods would lead to healing in certain issues.

01:32:45.000 I was very incredulous. 0.99

01:32:47.000 I was like, sounds like some fucking wacky chiropractor bullshit. 1.00

01:32:51.000 Yeah, yeah. 1.00

01:32:52.000 But there's something to it.

01:32:54.000 First of all, the weight reduction.

01:32:58.000 As soon as you cut out all these sugary foods, your body's just carrying less stuff around.

01:33:04.000 You're carrying less meat.

01:33:05.000 And people don't realize how much that is.

01:33:07.000 Do a workout.

01:33:08.000 Do a bodyweight workout.

01:33:10.000 Now do that same bodyweight workout with a 40-pound vest on.

01:33:13.000 It's way harder. 0.98

01:33:14.000 Fucking way harder. 0.98

01:33:15.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:33:15.000 And most people out there are wandering around at least 40 pounds overweight. 0.98

01:33:19.000 At least 40 pounds.

01:33:20.000 Yeah.

01:33:20.000 It's a lot of weight.

01:33:21.000 It's a lot.

01:33:21.000 It's a lot of weight.

01:33:22.000 You know, I have this backpack that I put metal plates on.

01:33:28.000 It's by this company called Outdoorsman's.

01:33:31.000 And it's basically like the frame of a hiking backpack.

01:33:35.000 You snap it in and it puts an Olympic plate on the back and locks it in place.

01:33:39.000 Oh, wow.

01:33:40.000 So that it really centers in your back.

01:33:42.000 A lot of people do weighted hikes, but they put sandbags in there and it kind of shifts and moves around.

01:33:47.000 But this really centers it and locks it in place. 0.99

01:33:49.000 But if I do 45 pounds and I go hiking around, it kind of kicks my ass. 0.96

01:33:55.000 It's hard going up the hills with 45 pounds. 0.95

01:33:58.000 Think about what most people just go through life with.

01:34:01.000 A lot of people go, your dad was 50. 50 pounds overweight?

01:34:04.000 Yeah.

01:34:05.000 Think of that.

01:34:05.000 It's a lot of weight.

01:34:06.000 It's a lot. 0.99

01:34:07.000 That wears your ass out. 0.97

01:34:09.000 And then that's one of the reasons why people say they don't have the energy to exercise. 0.99

01:34:12.000 Because they're carrying around all this weight.

01:34:14.000 I always look at really heavy overweight persons, people, and I look at their legs.

01:34:19.000 I'm like, that dude probably can kick through a wall. 0.86

01:34:22.000 Someone could teach them how to kick.

01:34:24.000 Like, think about how much weight you're carrying around all the time.

01:34:26.000 Their knees are probably super strong.

01:34:28.000 Like, all the tissue around their legs is constantly carrying this heavy load upstairs.

01:34:33.000 Yeah.

01:34:34.000 Like, if you could lose weight, you'd probably have amazing legs.

01:34:37.000 Yeah.

01:34:38.000 Yeah.

01:34:39.000 Look at diet.

01:34:42.000 How do you go, though, from this to doing consulting?

01:34:46.000 Is it a big leap?

01:34:48.000 You're just trying to figure your own life out to help other people online?

01:34:52.000 You don't have a degree in nutrition or anything, right?

01:34:54.000 God, no.

01:34:56.000 But what am I going to get a degree in nutrition for?

01:34:59.000 They still teach people to eat grain.

01:35:02.000 So that was never in the books.

01:35:04.000 Do you think that today, like if you went to a university today, like a really good school, do you think they would still be saying that grains are a good idea to eat?

01:35:13.000 I do.

01:35:13.000 I don't know that.

01:35:15.000 So I could be wrong.

01:35:16.000 But yeah, I would say it's still pretty food pyramid-y.

01:35:21.000 Well, I don't know if they go the old way with like when you're reading Dr. Seuss books.

01:35:26.000 I don't think it's changed.

01:35:26.000 The bottom is all rice and wheat.

01:35:28.000 I don't think it's really changed.

01:35:30.000 I think it's like eat a good mix of make sure you get your fruits and vegetables.

01:35:34.000 But is that a good idea for most people?

01:35:36.000 That's what they tell you when you're pregnant. 1.00

01:35:37.000 But for most people?

01:35:39.000 I don't think so.

01:35:40.000 Grain?

01:35:40.000 Really?

01:35:40.000 We've been eating grain for what?

01:35:42.000 Like maybe 20,000 years in some areas.

01:35:44.000 More like 10,000 years and in some areas 2,000 years and if you're Native American like 200 years. 0.92

01:35:50.000 We haven't been eating grain for very long.

01:35:52.000 Why do people suddenly think they can digest that?

01:35:54.000 Just because we're people?

01:35:57.000 So you don't believe rice?

01:36:00.000 Rice is a grain.

01:36:01.000 Rice, I think, is a lot less inflammatory than some grains.

01:36:04.000 Like the gluten grains are obviously a lot harder on people.

01:36:07.000 And even I tolerated rice kind of for a while.

01:36:12.000 But yeah, I think grains feed a lot of people.

01:36:15.000 And so that's why the agricultural era came around.

01:36:17.000 Now we can feed tons of people, but it doesn't make people thrive.

01:36:20.000 And I don't think it's good for their gut.

01:36:22.000 I don't think that's surprising considering we haven't been eating it long enough to evolve with it.

01:36:27.000 But other than grain, what other issues do you have with what you'd call like a paleo diet or a healthy diet?

01:36:35.000 So...

01:36:35.000 With vegetables and...

01:36:37.000 Do you think there's an issue eating vegetables?

01:36:41.000 I think it really depends on the person.

01:36:43.000 I think that this beef salt and water diet is a really good elimination diet and if you're seriously suffering and you have like nothing to lose you can give it a go suffer through the transition period and then try and once you feel okay try and reintroduce foods and see where you stand.

01:36:59.000 What about vitamin supplementation though and like why wouldn't you tell people why wouldn't you recommend multivitamins or a multivitamin pack that covers all your basics?

01:37:11.000 I say if you want, if you're really concerned about vitamins, get vitamin infusions.

01:37:15.000 I react to multivitamins.

01:37:17.000 So the fillers, there aren't any pure vitamins you can take unless you take them in powder form.

01:37:21.000 So you can get like vitamin C powder, potassium powder, but it's hard to get the other vitamins in powder form and I react to everything.

01:37:28.000 So you react to the gelatin capsules?

01:37:31.000 Yeah.

01:37:32.000 I probably wouldn't react to pure gelatin capsules, but like filler.

01:37:35.000 What kind of filler?

01:37:37.000 Microcystalline cellulose isn't a lot of them.

01:37:39.000 Why do they put that stuff in there?

01:37:41.000 Well, a lot of them is to like bind it together.

01:37:44.000 You know, if it's like a tablet, then most of that is like powdery stuff that isn't the actual vitamin.

01:37:49.000 What about capsules?

01:37:51.000 I don't know.

01:37:52.000 I haven't tested it out like by because it's this month long reaction.

01:37:57.000 I pretty much just say get rid of all the variables you can get rid of and start from scratch.

01:38:01.000 And then you can see if things are bothering you.

01:38:04.000 If you're worried about vitamins, get infusions.

01:38:06.000 Right, but what I was saying is that you were talking about these binders.

01:38:10.000 Do they exist in capsules as well?

01:38:12.000 Yeah, you have to check the ingredients.

01:38:15.000 It's very hard to get vitamins that are pure unless they're in powdered form or by infusion.

01:38:20.000 I couldn't find a multivitamin I could take.

01:38:22.000 A lot of the vitamin K is derived from soy, so I'll react to that amount of soy.

01:38:27.000 Mmm.

01:38:28.000 Wow.

01:38:29.000 So in infusions, you're talking about IV. Yeah.

01:38:32.000 And I did that during my pregnancy because, just in case, I don't react to that at all.

01:38:38.000 It's fine.

01:38:39.000 I didn't see a benefit.

01:38:42.000 It didn't make me feel any better.

01:38:44.000 How do you react to fish oil?

01:38:48.000 Not well, but it was hard to tell because I was reacting to other things at the same time.

01:38:54.000 So I don't eat chicken anymore and I don't eat fish anymore because it doesn't make me feel as good as beef.

01:39:01.000 But it doesn't give you a bad reaction?

01:39:03.000 Not like soy or grains, but it's not pleasant.

01:39:08.000 But if someone took you out to a restaurant and lobster was on the menu, you wouldn't eat a lobster?

01:39:12.000 No.

01:39:12.000 Wow.

01:39:16.000 No dessert.

01:39:17.000 No.

01:39:18.000 But the thing is, the cravings go away after you transition over.

01:39:21.000 So I don't even care.

01:39:23.000 How often do you eat a day?

01:39:25.000 It's gone.

01:39:26.000 Three times usually.

01:39:27.000 If I'm doing more, I eat more.

01:39:29.000 Otherwise, I'm eating about two and a half pounds a day.

01:39:32.000 If they're fattier, then I'll eat less.

01:39:34.000 So you're just like a walking beef catastrophe.

01:39:36.000 Yeah.

01:39:37.000 It's great though.

01:39:38.000 It's amazing.

01:39:39.000 And then I drink sparkling water, which I love.

01:39:42.000 Perrier excites me.

01:39:44.000 So just Perrier and beef and salt.

01:39:46.000 That's it.

01:39:48.000 Now, what do you think about people that say that this idea might work in the short term, but in the long term it's not sustainable?

01:39:59.000 I don't even know what kind of response to have to that.

01:40:04.000 What I was doing before.

01:40:05.000 It happens with people on vegan diets, right?

01:40:07.000 What happens with people on vegan diets is they start off, they feel great.

01:40:10.000 They're like, oh my god, this is the diet for me.

01:40:12.000 This is amazing.

01:40:13.000 Then over time, their body starts reacting to the lack of nutrients, lack of cholesterol, lack of saturated fat, and it's different bodies.

01:40:22.000 I mean, obviously, some people have no problem with it.

01:40:24.000 But some people have legit, like Chris Kresser is a perfect example.

01:40:28.000 He started out with a macrobiotic vegan diet and had real serious reactions to it over time.

01:40:33.000 Yeah.

01:40:33.000 Started out doing well, and then over time started to break his body down.

01:40:37.000 How long did it take?

01:40:38.000 I forget.

01:40:39.000 But when he started reintroducing meat back into his diet, he had a massive ramp up.

01:40:45.000 Ramp up like he got worse?

01:40:47.000 Health-wise, it felt fantastic.

01:40:49.000 All of a sudden, everything started kicking in again.

01:40:51.000 Yeah.

01:40:52.000 So I'm not worried about it.

01:40:54.000 I was so sick before.

01:40:57.000 And now I'm better.

01:40:59.000 I was concerned I was going to die in the long run before.

01:41:02.000 Now I'm feeling good.

01:41:03.000 I don't see why I would just randomly get sick suddenly.

01:41:06.000 I'm getting my vitamins tested because people are curious, but I don't have any symptoms.

01:41:11.000 And who's besides this woman?

01:41:13.000 Have you been in contact with this woman that's been doing this for 18 years?

01:41:16.000 Not personally, no.

01:41:17.000 She lives where?

01:41:19.000 Somewhere in the States.

01:41:20.000 Mm-hmm.

01:41:22.000 Sean Baker is probably the loudest proponent and one of the most vocal and most Public and he's been doing it I believe two years My friend Chris Bell has been doing it for a while as well I think he's less than a year,

01:41:37.000 but he eats apples.

01:41:39.000 He loves apples.

01:41:40.000 I had a hard time giving up apples That's funny.

01:41:44.000 Seriously.

01:41:45.000 It's because I limited like I went down on all my sugar and then I was eating hordes of apples and that was my sugar.

01:41:51.000 Right.

01:41:51.000 And that was hard to kick.

01:41:54.000 And apples somehow or another give you low back pain.

01:41:57.000 Among other things.

01:41:59.000 But yeah.

01:42:00.000 Huh.

01:42:00.000 It comes along with a depression and arthritis.

01:42:05.000 I think?

01:42:08.000 I think?

01:42:27.000 It's charged where people are very skeptical.

01:42:30.000 Also, they have this diet that they believe in, that they've been following.

01:42:34.000 And so anything that's contrary to that, they reject.

01:42:37.000 Yeah, well, I used to be, like, people, when I was really sick, people would come up and go, well, have you looked at your diet?

01:42:43.000 And I was like, what? 1.00

01:42:45.000 Fuck you. 1.00

01:42:45.000 I'm like, I have an autoimmune disorder. 1.00

01:42:47.000 I'm dying.

01:42:48.000 Have I, like, what, stop eating sugar and all my problems will go away?

01:42:51.000 Like, thanks.

01:42:52.000 So I've been on the other end of the spectrum, and I used to get mad when people said, but it was, like, condescending, right?

01:42:59.000 Have you, like, tried, have you tried exercising?

01:43:01.000 Have you looked at your diet?

01:43:03.000 And it was like, I'm dying.

01:43:05.000 Yeah.

01:43:06.000 Isn't it funny?

01:43:07.000 Now, though, when you look back on it, how crazy is it?

01:43:10.000 This wasn't even a conversation 10 years ago, right?

01:43:13.000 Yeah.

01:43:14.000 Like, 10 years ago, did you ever hear this?

01:43:16.000 No.

01:43:17.000 That's what's so weird.

01:43:18.000 Like, the cutting the sugar out and cutting the carbs out, this is so new.

01:43:23.000 It's so new.

01:43:23.000 And this, like, meat diet's really new.

01:43:26.000 And by the way, when I say new, I mean in terms of, like, being a really popular discussion.

01:43:31.000 Yeah, or something people have heard of.

01:43:34.000 Yeah, it's...

01:43:36.000 It's really interesting.

01:43:37.000 And when I see your dad and how healthy he is and how he looks so good.

01:43:43.000 His skin looks younger.

01:43:44.000 It looks thinner.

01:43:45.000 It's like he's all sucked in and looks healthy.

01:43:50.000 I know.

01:43:50.000 He looks like a different person than the person I knew.

01:43:52.000 And I look like a different person than the person I knew.

01:43:55.000 My face looks different.

01:43:57.000 In a good way.

01:43:58.000 Yeah.

01:43:58.000 Well, I think there's something definitely healthy about getting a lot of fat.

01:44:03.000 Yeah.

01:44:04.000 And this is something that I think we've ignored with our obsession with carbs.

01:44:09.000 And one of the things that is a giant benefit for people that cut the carbs out is the way you feel about food.

01:44:16.000 Like, you don't get these massive cravings.

01:44:19.000 Oh my God, yeah.

01:44:19.000 Yeah, I used to.

01:44:21.000 So when I used to go out to eat...

01:44:23.000 I was starving all the time.

01:44:25.000 I just felt like I was starving.

01:44:27.000 And I'd eat and then I would feel so full.

01:44:30.000 And it turns out it was bloating, right?

01:44:31.000 But I didn't know that.

01:44:31.000 I just feel so full that I would literally have to ask people to take my plate away or I would keep eating because I was starving but stuffed.

01:44:39.000 And that was just my state.

01:44:42.000 All the time. 0.98

01:44:42.000 You know what's fucked up? 0.98

01:44:44.000 No matter how full I am, if you put a plate of french fries with salt on them in front of me, I will go after those bitches. 1.00

01:44:49.000 I can't help myself. 0.99

01:44:51.000 I'll eat one, I'm like, oh, it's so good.

01:44:53.000 And then with some ketchup, like fat steak fries that are like kind of well-done-ish with some salt on them and ketchup. 0.99

01:45:01.000 There's just something about that trick, that biological trick that those goddamn potatoes play on you. 0.99

01:45:07.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:45:10.000 It's kind of addictive.

01:45:11.000 It's so addictive!

01:45:13.000 I know.

01:45:13.000 And it turns out that even the amount of salad I was eating, lettuce, was still kind of addictive because I had lettuce cravings.

01:45:22.000 Lettuce cravings?

01:45:23.000 Yeah, I mean, not like my apple cravings.

01:45:25.000 Not like my sugar cravings, but they were there.

01:45:28.000 So when you just eat only meat, your body takes that meat and through a process of glucogenesis converts it to glucose, right?

01:45:36.000 Yeah.

01:45:37.000 So I haven't been out of ketosis.

01:45:39.000 I'm always in ketosis, but my glucose is normal.

01:45:43.000 That's what's weird, the fact that you're always in ketosis, because most people think that if you eat too much protein...

01:45:50.000 Yeah, but that's the thing, is if you convert what I'm eating to the fat ratio, 80% of my calories I'm getting from fat.

01:45:57.000 Are you doing this on an app or something?

01:46:00.000 I'm mostly typing in the cuts, and then I can kind of add in how much tallow I'm adding to lean ground beef.

01:46:08.000 And how much tallow do you add?

01:46:09.000 Do you do it by tablespoon?

01:46:10.000 I do it, yeah, I do it kind of by tablespoon.

01:46:14.000 I just scoop it in.

01:46:15.000 But if I was measuring it, I'd like four, five.

01:46:19.000 Do you heat the tallow up first and then cook the beef into it, or do you just mix them all together?

01:46:23.000 I just mix everything together.

01:46:26.000 It's way more satisfying, though, because eating lean ground beef just isn't great.

01:46:29.000 Gets dry.

01:46:30.000 Gets dry, yeah.

01:46:31.000 You should try ground elk.

01:46:32.000 It's even worse.

01:46:34.000 Oh, wow.

01:46:34.000 It's delicious, but it's so sinewy.

01:46:38.000 But when I mix it with butter and stuff like that, it tastes much better.

01:46:41.000 Yeah, so I'm just mixing it with tallow.

01:46:42.000 It's great.

01:46:44.000 What's going on with my voice here?

01:46:46.000 So when you're looking at the future and you're saying, okay, this is going well.

01:46:54.000 This is much better than anything I've ever done before.

01:46:58.000 I feel so much better.

01:46:59.000 Do you feel like this is the way you're going to eat for the rest of your life?

01:47:02.000 Yeah.

01:47:02.000 And do you think it's sustainable?

01:47:04.000 Yeah.

01:47:08.000 No, I'm not arguing against it.

01:47:10.000 I'm just wondering.

01:47:12.000 Just sustainable in what way?

01:47:13.000 Nutritionally.

01:47:14.000 Oh my god, yeah.

01:47:15.000 I think so.

01:47:16.000 I'll keep getting my vitamins tested, but this book that I've been reading about this guy who lived with Inuit, that's what they ate.

01:47:22.000 They were healthy.

01:47:22.000 They didn't have teeth that fell out.

01:47:25.000 They weren't sick like we're sick.

01:47:27.000 The Inuits are the people that went up there. 0.98

01:47:29.000 The Inuits.

01:47:30.000 Yeah, but the Inuits, didn't they evolve that way?

01:47:32.000 I mean, if you stop and think about it.

01:47:33.000 But didn't we evolve that way too?

01:47:35.000 I don't know.

01:47:36.000 I mean, we can't say we changed like 10,000 years ago in order to eat grain.

01:47:40.000 Looks like we've evolved to hunt, kind of.

01:47:43.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:47:44.000 I mean, but different people that grew up in different areas of the world, I think they have...

01:47:50.000 I mean, isn't that been proven that there's different nutritional requirements that different people have if you grew up in different areas?

01:47:57.000 I don't think so.

01:47:58.000 No?

01:47:58.000 I haven't read that, no.

01:48:01.000 What is that diet that people...

01:48:04.000 There's like some diet that they try to...

01:48:09.000 Was it based on blood work?

01:48:13.000 Oh, the blood type diet?

01:48:14.000 Yeah.

01:48:15.000 The idea is that different people that have different blood types, they're coming from different parts of the world.

01:48:21.000 Yeah.

01:48:22.000 I don't know.

01:48:23.000 You're skeptical.

01:48:24.000 Well, man, so my diet's basically the blood type zero.

01:48:28.000 It's funny that you're skeptical about diets.

01:48:28.000 I know.

01:48:30.000 Dad told me.

01:48:31.000 He went over and he said, I don't think I can eat fish.

01:48:33.000 I think fish is giving me a flare-up.

01:48:35.000 And my response was like, well, that's not possible.

01:48:38.000 I'm like, all I'm eating is meat.

01:48:40.000 And I still have the same response.

01:48:42.000 And then I told you I don't eat chicken.

01:48:45.000 Well, when I switched over, chicken started to make me not feel good when I was eating it.

01:48:50.000 What about ostrich?

01:48:52.000 I haven't tried ostrich.

01:48:53.000 I've just given up on birds.

01:48:54.000 Ruminant animals seem fine.

01:48:56.000 I tried bison.

01:48:57.000 Bison was fine.

01:48:58.000 Bison?

01:48:59.000 What do you call it?

01:49:00.000 Bison?

01:49:02.000 Is that a Canadian?

01:49:03.000 I'm just going to go with that's a Canadian thing.

01:49:05.000 It's probably bison.

01:49:07.000 God, I hope it's a Canadian thing.

01:49:08.000 Well, Dad says it, so it's his fault.

01:49:10.000 Oh.

01:49:11.000 Ostrich is interesting because it's red.

01:49:14.000 It's a bird, but it's a red meat.

01:49:16.000 That's interesting.

01:49:17.000 Yeah.

01:49:17.000 They have ostrich burgers at Fuddruckers.

01:49:21.000 You can get an ostrich burger. 0.99

01:49:23.000 They're fucking good. 0.99

01:49:24.000 You got the Ribeye of the Sky bird? 0.99

01:49:25.000 I haven't had that.

01:49:26.000 That's a Sand Hill Crane.

01:49:28.000 Yeah, Sand Hill Crane is a really dark red.

01:49:30.000 Ribeye of the Sky?

01:49:31.000 That's what they call them.

01:49:32.000 Yeah.

01:49:33.000 They hunt them and they cook it and it's a really delicious, lean, but like soft, juicy, tender red meat.

01:49:44.000 Huh.

01:49:44.000 Yeah.

01:49:45.000 What do you got?

01:49:45.000 You got a photo of it?

01:49:47.000 Yeah.

01:49:47.000 Look at it.

01:49:48.000 That's what it looks like.

01:49:48.000 What?

01:49:49.000 Yep.

01:49:49.000 Sand Hill Crane.

01:49:50.000 Wild Canada Goose?

01:49:52.000 Yeah.

01:49:54.000 I don't think we're allowed to eat that in Canada.

01:49:58.000 Well, you're not allowed to eat some migrating geese, right?

01:50:03.000 But Sandhill Crane, I bet you could eat.

01:50:05.000 Wow.

01:50:07.000 Wow, I wonder.

01:50:08.000 I have some buddies that hunted those in Texas and they said they were fantastic.

01:50:12.000 So it's some of the best meat they've ever eaten in their life.

01:50:14.000 I wonder if you could eat that. 1.00

01:50:15.000 But I wouldn't want you to eat it and then get fucking hives and shit. 1.00

01:50:18.000 Yeah, no. 0.99

01:50:19.000 And blame me.

01:50:20.000 Joe!

01:50:22.000 Depressed for five weeks.

01:50:23.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:50:24.000 Diarrhea, everything all over again.

01:50:26.000 Yeah.

01:50:26.000 So your plan is just sparkling water and steak forever.

01:50:30.000 Yeah, and I mean, I could be surviving off of eggplant.

01:50:34.000 It could be worse.

01:50:35.000 I enjoy everything I eat all the time.

01:50:38.000 I love it.

01:50:40.000 And I don't get bored.

01:50:41.000 I thought if there's one thing I have to eat forever, I hope it's steak because I'm not going to get bored of steak.

01:50:47.000 And like I said, the first month was kind of rough, but then the cravings go away and now it's like every meal.

01:50:52.000 I'm like, hmm, steak.

01:50:53.000 Do you get hate from vegan people?

01:50:57.000 Not really.

01:50:57.000 I don't think I'm as inflammatory as some people.

01:51:02.000 Because I can understand.

01:51:02.000 I mean, if you're ideologically possessed, that's different.

01:51:08.000 But if you go on the vegan diet, you cut out processed foods, you get rid of dairy.

01:51:12.000 Dairy was a huge trigger for me.

01:51:15.000 And you feel better.

01:51:17.000 Then I can understand why you'd be going around saying the vegan diet is the way to eat.

01:51:22.000 Right.

01:51:22.000 So I can understand where those people are coming from.

01:51:25.000 If you're ideologically possessed and you're saying, well, it's the environment, all this stuff, I don't really care.

01:51:32.000 So no, I don't get...

01:51:33.000 I've got like a couple of emails about me spreading lies.

01:51:37.000 It's like...

01:51:38.000 Wow.

01:51:39.000 I just...

01:51:39.000 I don't...

01:51:39.000 I don't really don't care.

01:51:41.000 There's a lot of loonies out there. 1.00

01:51:43.000 A lot of loony people. 0.97

01:51:44.000 But...

01:51:46.000 That is the issue with the vegan diet is that it carries with it a moral high ground that other diets don't.

01:51:53.000 Yeah, and that's too bad. 0.98

01:51:55.000 Like, that part sucks. 0.65

01:51:56.000 The people trying to figure out their health and going to that because they're trying to figure something out, that's different. 0.90

01:52:02.000 But the whole moral thing, like, just let it go.

01:52:06.000 Well, listen, I think this is very interesting stuff.

01:52:10.000 You know, I don't have your health issues, and I think very few people do.

01:52:15.000 But obviously for you, it's made some massive impact.

01:52:19.000 And for your father as well.

01:52:21.000 I mean, it's really...

01:52:23.000 It's very, very interesting.

01:52:25.000 And like I said, my friend lives in San Diego.

01:52:28.000 No problems.

01:52:29.000 I mean, he's loving it.

01:52:30.000 I know several other people that have jumped on board as well, too, and they're seeing big benefits from it.

01:52:35.000 I mean, it's almost enough to make me want to try it, but...

01:52:38.000 You should try.

01:52:39.000 It doesn't take long.

01:52:40.000 Yeah, but I have hundreds of pounds of wild game meat.

01:52:44.000 That's perfect.

01:52:45.000 Yeah, but I have to eat it with fat.

01:52:46.000 I have to figure out a way to get fat into it.

01:52:48.000 You can order tallow here.

01:52:50.000 Just order tallow.

01:52:52.000 I've talked to people like programmers in Silicon Valley who've Skyped me.

01:52:55.000 They're healthy and they just want to be more productive.

01:52:57.000 And the cognitive benefits, it takes like six weeks and it's worth just seeing what it's like.

01:53:03.000 But they get that just from the ketogenic diet.

01:53:06.000 No!

01:53:06.000 I've had people switch off of the ketogenic.

01:53:08.000 There's something here.

01:53:10.000 There's really something here, and it's worth seeing.

01:53:13.000 I think people would see benefits if they tried it, even healthy people.

01:53:17.000 What do you think those benefits are coming from?

01:53:21.000 I don't know.

01:53:23.000 I don't know if microbiome switch or if you're just ingesting less plant toxin.

01:53:30.000 Plant toxin?

01:53:31.000 What do you mean by that?

01:53:32.000 Well, plants have like naturally occurring toxins depending on the plant to get bugs and things to stop eating them.

01:53:39.000 That's just their defense mechanism.

01:53:41.000 So like oxalates, that's a big one.

01:53:45.000 Lectins, like all those types of things are inflammatory.

01:53:48.000 And it's just seemed like we've just found the plants that we can tolerate.

01:53:51.000 Like as humans, we found the plants we can tolerate the easiest and don't kill us.

01:53:55.000 And we eat those and we've bred them so that they're easier to eat.

01:53:58.000 But so maybe removing those from the diet seems to help people.

01:54:02.000 But it seems like giving it a six-week try, I don't see a downside.

01:54:08.000 And I haven't seen anybody switch back.

01:54:12.000 Really?

01:54:13.000 Mm-hmm.

01:54:13.000 And I've been talking to a lot of people on Skype over, like, periods of months.

01:54:17.000 And I haven't seen anyone switch back, including the healthy people.

01:54:21.000 All right.

01:54:22.000 Well, I'm curious.

01:54:24.000 This conversation is evolving, that's for sure.

01:54:27.000 And, you know, it's evolving with many, many people all across the country.

01:54:31.000 And, you know, when you take out the ideological or the moral high ground argument that vegetarians have, it's interesting to me. 0.88

01:54:41.000 At the very least, it's interesting.

01:54:42.000 Yeah, something going on.

01:54:45.000 So if people want to check out your blog, what would that be?

01:54:49.000 That's MichaelaPeterson.com.

01:54:51.000 Spell that.

01:54:52.000 M-I-K-H-A-I-L-A. All right.

01:54:56.000 Peterson.

01:54:56.000 Dot com.

01:54:57.000 Dot com.

01:54:58.000 And isn't there another name for it?

01:55:01.000 Don't eat that.

01:55:02.000 Don't eat that.

01:55:03.000 If you go to don'teatthat.com, is that it?

01:55:05.000 No, I don't have that.

01:55:06.000 Somebody's bought it and they're trying to sell it back to me for a lot. 1.00

01:55:09.000 Fuckers. 1.00

01:55:10.000 I know. 1.00

01:55:10.000 These fuckers. 1.00

01:55:12.000 Listen, thank you. 1.00

01:55:13.000 Thank you, Mikaela.

01:55:13.000 Thanks for having me.

01:55:14.000 It was fun talking to you.

01:55:15.000 Yeah, it was good.

01:55:15.000 Bye, everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience - August 30, 2018

Joe Rogan Experience #1164 - Mikhaila Peterson

Episode Stats

Summary

Transcript