The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1185 - Kelly Slater

00:00:02.000 4, 3, 2, 1. Kelly Slater, we've been talking about doing this for how long?

00:00:08.000 A couple years.

00:00:09.000 It's been a while, man.

00:00:10.000 Thanks for having me.

00:00:10.000 Thanks for being here.

00:00:11.000 I'm glad we finally got a chance to do it.

00:00:13.000 What are you in California for?

00:00:14.000 I know you broke your foot, right?

00:00:15.000 I broke my foot real bad.

00:00:17.000 How'd you do that?

00:00:18.000 Well, my girlfriend's from San Clemente.

00:00:20.000 And her family lives there, and so we kind of live here.

00:00:24.000 We're not moving around too much.

00:00:26.000 So I'm just kind of here right now.

00:00:27.000 I'm not competing.

00:00:28.000 I broke my foot.

00:00:29.000 I was surfing in South Africa about 15 months ago, and I was just on a wave that I wouldn't consider a very big wave.

00:00:37.000 Nobody would really consider dangerous.

00:00:40.000 And it all kind of closed out, which is, you know, when it all breaks at once, I just pulled in the thing because I was going to sort of wash in on the rocks right where that was and change boards.

00:00:49.000 And I was practicing.

00:00:50.000 I had to compete in about two hours from then.

00:00:53.000 So I was just testing out different boards.

00:00:54.000 For some reason, I wasn't riding the board.

00:00:56.000 I was planning on riding competition.

00:00:57.000 So I was going to come in and change and switch to my normal board.

00:01:01.000 And I just pulled this wave and just...

00:01:03.000 Kind of hesitated.

00:01:04.000 Like, you either ride those out and stay on your board or you jump off.

00:01:07.000 And I was kind of between the two.

00:01:09.000 And I kind of lifted my front foot off my back foot.

00:01:12.000 My leg was straight because I was kind of going to, I think I was going to jump off.

00:01:16.000 And as my foot got, my leg got locked back straight, the board flipped in against the toes.

00:01:22.000 And it just broke the top of my foot in half.

00:01:25.000 Oh! 0.60

00:01:25.000 Like, immediate. 0.60

00:01:27.000 Oh my god!

00:01:28.000 We're looking at a photograph of the x-ray right now, and it's like every bone is snapped.

00:01:33.000 Well, what you can't see...

00:01:34.000 Are you aware of the Liz Frank joint?

00:01:37.000 No.

00:01:38.000 That's where the first big metatarsal comes together, so that first big joint on top of the foot there.

00:01:43.000 Why is it called the Liz Frank joint?

00:01:44.000 Liz Frank was a doctor, I think.

00:01:48.000 We could look this up.

00:01:51.000 I think that was the person that did the original surgery, which when you used to break your foot in a stirrup back a hundred years ago, they used to cut your foot off. 0.99

00:01:58.000 Oh, God damn it! 0.92

00:02:00.000 Yeah, so that was kind of how this sort of joint got famous. 0.99

00:02:07.000 But normally what happens is those toes...

00:02:10.000 Those two bones right there, the first and second metatarsal, can either spread or converge one way or the other, and that's usually what a Liz Frank fracture is.

00:02:18.000 I had the best of the three, which is I had a crack.

00:02:21.000 You can just see on the right side of, yeah, if you go down with the cursor right there, just a little lower, there's a little crack right there.

00:02:28.000 Right there on that corner.

00:02:31.000 And then the next one broke across.

00:02:34.000 You can just see right there.

00:02:35.000 It's cracked across.

00:02:36.000 So it kind of went in a line up and across the foot.

00:02:39.000 And then the other two are just destroyed.

00:02:41.000 Yeah, the third one displaced.

00:02:42.000 The fourth one shattered into about eight pieces.

00:02:45.000 The doctor said he lost count putting them back together.

00:02:48.000 You know, you would know from injuries, the problem with when there's shatters of bone, they're not getting the blood flow.

00:02:53.000 So it's not like a four or five week repair job.

00:02:56.000 It's like, that was like nine months before that thing was back together properly.

00:03:00.000 So when they do that, how do they piece that shattered one back together again?

00:03:05.000 Delicately.

00:03:06.000 And they put like a mesh over.

00:03:08.000 So I got to kind of like figure out how to...

00:03:11.000 Well, I had a plate on the Liz Frank and then I had a kind of a bridge across the third and fourth.

00:03:20.000 And so they kind of meshed it all together.

00:03:22.000 And then I think I had 16 screws combined in all that. 1.00

00:03:28.000 God damn, man. 0.99

00:03:30.000 It was brutal. 1.00

00:03:31.000 The problem with it was I did it in South Africa where I wasn't going to get surgery.

00:03:37.000 So I had to wait for the swelling to go down for about six days before I could fly. 0.99

00:03:40.000 Oh god damn. 0.98

00:03:41.000 Because they thought the foot was going to swell too much because it was already swollen from the event so I iced the shit out of my foot. 0.99

00:03:47.000 For like, you know, five days and sat there and watched. 0.62

00:03:50.000 Unfortunately, the waves were perfect.

00:03:51.000 So I was sitting on the beach just watching perfect waves.

00:03:53.000 You know, it's like, that's like as painful as the injury to a surfer, you know?

00:03:57.000 It's like watching a bunch of elk walk by in front of you and not scared of you, right?

00:04:02.000 Right.

00:04:05.000 So I sat there, because the whole time prior to me being injured while I was there for like two weeks, the waves weren't very good.

00:04:11.000 So I broke my foot and the waves got great.

00:04:13.000 So I had to watch it.

00:04:14.000 So that's painful for us.

00:04:17.000 So then I waited for this one to go down, and then it's two red eyes to get back. 1.00

00:04:20.000 Was there no way you could get it fixed in South Africa?

00:04:23.000 I maybe could have.

00:04:25.000 But then I was probably looking at staying in Africa for a month or more.

00:04:29.000 And also I didn't know the quality, sort of level of quality of a doctor I was going to get there.

00:04:34.000 And I got a doctor I work with here and I called him straight away.

00:04:37.000 I said, look, it's my fourth broken foot, but I've never broken it like this.

00:04:42.000 Usually it's like, let it heal for four weeks and you're surfing.

00:04:45.000 And it's all from surfing?

00:04:46.000 Yeah.

00:04:47.000 And all from the same wave.

00:04:48.000 Oh, really?

00:04:49.000 Pretty much the board going back against the foot. 1.00

00:04:51.000 Fuck. 1.00

00:04:53.000 And usually it happens when I'm... 1.00

00:04:55.000 I don't know how well-versed you are in surfing, but when I'm tube riding, and usually with my back to the wave, which has happened two or three times, so I'm in the wave, the lip pitches over and lands, but when that lands, it sends a shock back into the wave.

00:05:10.000 Like, you know, when the lip hits flat water, that lip...

00:05:20.000 Oh, wow.

00:05:34.000 It's usually a pretty big, intense barrel, and so that lip has a lot of energy, and it shoots a ton of force back towards you.

00:05:42.000 And if it hits your board just wrong, it can flip into your foot and break it.

00:05:45.000 Do you know anybody else has broken their foot like you, like that?

00:05:48.000 Not this bad.

00:05:49.000 One guy on tour broke his foot pretty bad, requiring surgery this year.

00:05:54.000 That looks horrible, man.

00:05:56.000 How long was it before you can walk?

00:05:57.000 You're walking totally normal now.

00:05:59.000 So how long has it been since the surgery?

00:06:00.000 Yeah, so I had surgery in the end of July last year.

00:06:04.000 And then walking normal wasn't until...

00:06:11.000 Maybe December, January.

00:06:12.000 Wow!

00:06:14.000 Well, December I competed again, but I probably shouldn't have.

00:06:17.000 But we're at Pipeline in Hawaii, which is, you're not doing maneuvers.

00:06:21.000 It's not a small wave kind of competition.

00:06:23.000 If the waves are small, I wouldn't have surfed.

00:06:25.000 Since it's bigger, it's a little easier because you take off and kind of trim a straight line.

00:06:28.000 Right.

00:06:29.000 So you're kind of going straight, you know, even though you're riding the barrel, you're kind of going straight.

00:06:33.000 But are you conscious of your foot being compromised?

00:06:36.000 Yeah.

00:06:37.000 Wow.

00:06:38.000 I don't know.

00:06:39.000 That's my favorite event in the world, so I just didn't want to miss it. 0.99

00:06:42.000 But fuck, if you broke your foot again? 0.99

00:06:44.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:06:44.000 But then, you know, the bones were pretty good back together then, and I could walk somewhat without pain. 0.99

00:06:51.000 And if I put myself in a real vulnerable position on a wave, I would kind of maybe jump off.

00:06:58.000 You know, I wouldn't really push it.

00:06:59.000 It's not worth winning a contest to break my foot again.

00:07:02.000 Yeah, I'm sure.

00:07:03.000 But to be able to surf Pipeline with no one out is kind of worth a little risk.

00:07:08.000 Now when you are healing, is there anything they give you that can accelerate bone healing?

00:07:13.000 Or is there any supplements?

00:07:15.000 A lot of it is kind of, I mean, it's the furthest place from your heart, right?

00:07:20.000 And it's down at the bottom of your body.

00:07:22.000 So you've got to kind of get that foot up.

00:07:24.000 Like a lot of times I'll sit against a wall and elevate my foot and let it completely flush out.

00:07:29.000 You know when you're a kid and you kind of hold your hand and somebody pushes all the blood out of your hand?

00:07:33.000 You ever do that one?

00:07:34.000 No.

00:07:34.000 Oh, it's like this trick where somebody holds your wrist, your arteries, so no blood's going in.

00:07:40.000 You push all the blood out and then you let it go and it's like a little spider web.

00:07:45.000 If somebody goes like that, it would feel like a spider web.

00:07:47.000 Oh yeah, you know, I think I did do that when I was a kid.

00:07:48.000 I just kind of imagined that's what I was doing with my foot up and like, oh yeah, all the blood's getting out of my foot now.

00:07:57.000 But did you research whether there's something that accelerates bone healing?

00:08:01.000 You can use magnets.

00:08:03.000 Magnets?

00:08:04.000 Some people believe magnets help increase the circulation and thus, especially a rotating magnet because it kind of creates a force field around your foot.

00:08:14.000 Really?

00:08:15.000 Yeah, supposedly.

00:08:16.000 I mean around the magnets.

00:08:17.000 But is this like, are these legit people?

00:08:20.000 These are like theories.

00:08:22.000 Healers.

00:08:22.000 I'm a healer.

00:08:24.000 An energy healer.

00:08:25.000 Well I'm just saying what I've heard people believe.

00:08:27.000 So the first time I broke my foot, a chiropractor guy I had gone to, he's like, when you go to sleep it's not going to hurt you, just put it on your foot.

00:08:37.000 And I was actually competing five weeks after I broke that foot.

00:08:41.000 So I don't know if it helped or not, but I just sleep and it was near my foot and maybe it helped.

00:08:46.000 I don't know.

00:08:46.000 It takes six weeks for a bone to heal, right?

00:08:49.000 Doesn't it?

00:08:50.000 When you're young in particular.

00:08:51.000 It takes four weeks and then it takes two more weeks for the calcium to properly fill in.

00:08:56.000 So if you take an x-ray after four weeks, it'll still look like there's a hole, like a break there.

00:09:02.000 But apparently the bone has sutured itself back.

00:09:07.000 But the calcium has not filled in to make it totally strong.

00:09:11.000 That's what I was told by my doctor on this last one, because I asked every question possible.

00:09:16.000 Why does it still look broken?

00:09:17.000 And he was telling me, you know, it's not until you get enough blood flow, and then it's healed.

00:09:22.000 And then once there's the proper blood flow in the bone, then you get the calcium coming back in.

00:09:26.000 The only thing that I've heard that really is supposed to accelerate healing is the hyperbaric chamber.

00:09:31.000 Did you try that at all?

00:09:32.000 Yeah, which I didn't do.

00:09:33.000 I had one sort of at hand in Hawaii I could have gone to, but I didn't.

00:09:36.000 Oh, it's supposed to...

00:09:37.000 I know that Uriah Faber used that a lot after he fought Jose Aldo. 0.93

00:09:41.000 Aldo kicked the shit out of his leg, and his leg was really badly swollen. 0.97

00:09:45.000 It was horrible. 0.98

00:09:46.000 Did he break the bone?

00:09:47.000 No, it didn't break the bone, but it was so bad.

00:09:50.000 It was like his left leg was literally twice the size and purple.

00:09:54.000 I've seen the fight and heard you talking.

00:09:57.000 There it is right there.

00:09:58.000 There's a photo of it.

00:09:59.000 Yeah, and in the fight you're talking about, look at the color on his leg.

00:10:01.000 It was so nasty.

00:10:03.000 That was Aldo when he was in his prime.

00:10:06.000 And you didn't see those kicks.

00:10:08.000 You couldn't see his kicks coming.

00:10:09.000 He was so fast.

00:10:10.000 He doesn't even load up.

00:10:12.000 It's just there.

00:10:13.000 God, that's probably right afterwards.

00:10:15.000 It must have felt broken. 0.98

00:10:17.000 It feels fucking horrible just to get hit once, man. 0.96

00:10:20.000 I mean Uriah is so tough to just take that over and over and over again like he did. 0.96

00:10:26.000 Can you check those?

00:10:28.000 I mean, can you turn into them a little?

00:10:30.000 The problem is when you get hit, just getting hit once by a guy who's really good, like a Peter Ertz or someone who's like a really good leg kicker, they hit you once and you're not even gonna lift your leg upright.

00:10:42.000 Well, think of a charley horse a guy gives you in school when you're a kid.

00:10:45.000 How bad that is?

00:10:46.000 It's probably ten times that.

00:10:47.000 It's way worse than ten times bad.

00:10:49.000 Yeah, whatever it is.

00:10:50.000 Ernesto Hoost is probably one of the greatest, not probably, definitely one of the greatest leg kickers of all time.

00:10:56.000 And there's a video called The Perfect Leg Kick by Ernesto Hoost, and it just shows you like a compilation of him landing leg kicks on people.

00:11:04.000 And you just see like, they're like, ah!

00:11:06.000 You see their leg buckle, and he would...

00:11:09.000 With him, he would whip it down.

00:11:12.000 Like, he had this...

00:11:13.000 Angled it.

00:11:13.000 Yeah, he's a long, tall guy, and his technique was just perfect.

00:11:18.000 Oh, no.

00:11:18.000 There's video of him.

00:11:19.000 He was so good.

00:11:20.000 Watch this left kick, or left kick, and then left hook, rather, and then the right leg kick.

00:11:25.000 The way he would do it.

00:11:26.000 Yeah, because you're covering up top, and you don't maybe even see it, huh?

00:11:29.000 Look at this, though.

00:11:30.000 Bing! 0.98

00:11:31.000 Wow!

00:11:32.000 Just the whip into it.

00:11:34.000 He was so good, man. 0.99

00:11:36.000 He was so fucking good. 0.97

00:11:37.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:11:38.000 And he would always do it left hook to the body and then right leg kick afterwards.

00:11:44.000 Ricardo Arona is a buddy of mine.

00:11:46.000 Oh, you know Ricardo?

00:11:47.000 I know Ricardo pretty well.

00:11:48.000 Oh, wow.

00:11:49.000 Is he a surfer?

00:11:50.000 Yeah, he surfs.

00:11:50.000 A lot of Brazilians surf.

00:11:51.000 Most of these guys surf, man.

00:11:52.000 Yeah.

00:11:53.000 But who did he kick?

00:11:54.000 Rampage or somebody in the lower leg, like, I think, or Vonderlay, I don't know, back in the Pride days. 0.99

00:12:00.000 And I think he broke someone's lower leg or something.

00:12:03.000 Oh, sure.

00:12:04.000 He was the victim of the worst slam I've ever seen in my life.

00:12:09.000 Well, he told me, he's like, I don't know why I didn't grab the leg.

00:12:11.000 Yeah.

00:12:12.000 And...

00:12:12.000 The thing I didn't realize, because I had watched the fight before, and I didn't pick this up, I wasn't very well versed at that time in watching fights, but he goes, Kelly, you know the thing was, I put him to sleep in the fight before that, and I let him go, and I told the ref, he's sleeping, he's sleeping,

00:12:27.000 and he goes, and then he woke back up, and the ref kind of, when you go watch it, and the ref touched him and goes, okay, keep fighting.

00:12:34.000 Yeah, what did he catch him with, a triangle or something like that earlier?

00:12:36.000 He caught him with some kind of a triangle, yeah.

00:12:38.000 I don't remember.

00:12:38.000 No, it wasn't a triangle, it was a...

00:12:40.000 Guillotine or something?

00:12:41.000 Might have been a guillotine.

00:12:42.000 They were on the ground.

00:12:43.000 Yeah.

00:12:44.000 Or maybe knocked him out.

00:12:47.000 No, I thought he put him to sleep or something.

00:12:49.000 I don't know if it was.

00:12:50.000 Anyways.

00:12:51.000 Yeah, but then Rampage woke up.

00:12:53.000 Yeah.

00:12:53.000 And then kept fighting.

00:12:54.000 And the ref's like, oh, go ahead.

00:12:55.000 Yeah, well, Pride was crazy.

00:12:57.000 They would have let you fight to the death.

00:12:59.000 I went to, was it a K-1?

00:13:01.000 I watched Kitty Yamamoto and Hoyler fight.

00:13:04.000 Oh, wow.

00:13:05.000 And, you know, I had run into Hoist the night before.

00:13:08.000 I just saw him at a bar, and he's like, what's up?

00:13:11.000 And I'm like, oh, I'm leaving.

00:13:12.000 I'm going to fly out tomorrow.

00:13:13.000 He goes, no, you've got to come to my brother's fight.

00:13:15.000 So I went to the fight, and then Hoyler got knocked out, man.

00:13:17.000 It was hard to watch.

00:13:19.000 Who did he fight?

00:13:20.000 Kid.

00:13:20.000 Kid, yeah.

00:13:21.000 Oh, that's right.

00:13:22.000 That's when Hoyler was trying.

00:13:23.000 2005. Yeah, he was getting involved in MMA, and he really didn't have any striking.

00:13:28.000 Yeah, he was out cold for a couple minutes.

00:13:30.000 I was like...

00:13:31.000 Did they just offer him a shitload of money?

00:13:33.000 Like, why did he decide to take that?

00:13:34.000 I don't know.

00:13:35.000 I had never met Hoyler at the time.

00:13:37.000 He fought a bunch of people.

00:13:39.000 He fought Sakuraba, which is really crazy.

00:13:41.000 And Sakuraba had him in a Kimura with his arm way behind his back, and they stopped the fight rather than let him get his arm broken.

00:13:49.000 Yeah, because he wasn't tapping.

00:13:50.000 Yeah, but he was like, I'm really flexible.

00:13:52.000 Like, I wasn't going to tap.

00:13:53.000 Like, I can do that.

00:13:56.000 Yeah, I see some of these yogis.

00:13:58.000 I follow this guy, this yogi guy, and I think, this guy named Goku Lakhandra or something, and he puts these poses up, and I think if this guy did jujitsu, there's no way somebody could tap him out, because he...

00:14:13.000 He's doing these craziest...

00:14:15.000 I don't know how you put your...

00:14:16.000 I've never seen somebody put their body in these contortionist positions, and you just wonder if somebody who's a real, true contortionist, if they knew jujitsu and how to escape things, if they could ever really get tapped with, like, arms.

00:14:27.000 I'm sure necks or guillotines or whatever.

00:14:30.000 What do you got here, Jamie?

00:14:31.000 Oh, there was a guy...

00:14:32.000 I thought you were showing us something.

00:14:33.000 There's a guy named Ray who was...

00:14:35.000 Oh, Jesus.

00:14:35.000 This guy, yeah.

00:14:36.000 Look at this guy.

00:14:37.000 Wow, that's insane!

00:14:38.000 Did you follow this guy?

00:14:39.000 No, I just found him.

00:14:39.000 Oh my god, that's insane!

00:14:41.000 Well, he does these poses where he's balancing on his elbow, and then the rest of his body is in these poses.

00:14:47.000 It's insane.

00:14:48.000 These hand poses and stuff.

00:14:50.000 Look at that one.

00:14:50.000 Go above that, right there on the far right.

00:14:53.000 Jamie, yeah, that one.

00:14:54.000 When he's on one hand.

00:14:56.000 It's amazing. 1.00

00:14:57.000 That's fucking nuts, man. 1.00

00:14:59.000 Yeah, this kind of stuff. 1.00

00:15:01.000 And the strength, and the amount of time you gotta take to learn these things.

00:15:05.000 It's like...

00:15:06.000 I mean, that's sort of a martial art in itself.

00:15:09.000 Oh, yeah.

00:15:09.000 Well, there's a guy who's a famous jiu-jitsu guy who once said that yoga is a martial art that you do against yourself.

00:15:18.000 Yeah.

00:15:18.000 That's a great quote.

00:15:20.000 My friend Ray, he was a lead singer of a band, Ray Capo.

00:15:25.000 He was a lead singer of some punk band and then became a yogi.

00:15:31.000 Yeah, and we used to call him Yoga Ray, and he would come to 10th Planet, and he would just...

00:15:37.000 He could move in ways. 0.99

00:15:39.000 You're like, what the fuck are you doing, man? 0.99

00:15:41.000 His body was so... 0.99

00:15:43.000 He had so much dexterity and flexibility, it was impossible to hold him in positions.

00:15:50.000 He just could move so well.

00:15:51.000 You're like, wait, you're two belts below me, but I can't...

00:15:54.000 Pino?

00:15:54.000 Well, he was actually a very high-ranking guy, too.

00:15:57.000 He was really good at jiu-jitsu.

00:15:58.000 Well, that's scary, too, right?

00:16:00.000 And on top of that, he had this crazy...

00:16:01.000 And he also had amazing breath work.

00:16:05.000 Like, he never got tired.

00:16:07.000 Like, his cardio was incredible.

00:16:08.000 But it was all because of his breathing techniques.

00:16:12.000 Yeah.

00:16:12.000 Hickson would work on a lot of breathing stuff.

00:16:14.000 Yeah.

00:16:16.000 I've known Hickson quite a long time, and he always talks about that.

00:16:20.000 You know, when you breathe through your nose and how you calm your heart.

00:16:23.000 Yeah.

00:16:24.000 Yeah, panic breathing through your mouth is what they would call it.

00:16:27.000 You know, when you panic breathe.

00:16:28.000 You know, most people when they're tired, you're like, ah, ah, ah.

00:16:31.000 But he was always about control, controlling your breath.

00:16:34.000 Yeah, and he was like, you know, prior to Wim doing his thing and becoming sort of well-known, you know, Hickson would go sit in ice-cold streams and just breathe real calm through the nose and control the, you know.

00:16:47.000 Yeah, that's in that movie Choke. 0.56

00:16:48.000 He's in a glacial Yeah.

00:16:50.000 And he's just sitting neck deep.

00:16:52.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:16:53.000 And everybody else just dips their foot and then like, fuck this! 1.00

00:16:56.000 And he's in there, freezing cold water, just loving it. 0.99

00:16:59.000 Yeah, he's a fascinating guy.

00:17:02.000 And he's really the first guy that sort of introduced martial artists to the power of yoga.

00:17:08.000 Because he was the best.

00:17:09.000 That stomach work he can do, you know?

00:17:11.000 Yeah.

00:17:12.000 And it's like...

00:17:13.000 It's freaky.

00:17:14.000 It's crazy.

00:17:15.000 Have you watched those videos?

00:17:17.000 Yeah, we've played that.

00:17:18.000 It's from the movie Choke.

00:17:19.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:17:20.000 What is that called?

00:17:21.000 Fire breathing or something?

00:17:22.000 Breath of Fire?

00:17:23.000 There's like a word for that kind of breathing.

00:17:26.000 It's probably more specific because sometimes you'll go to a class and they'll go, okay, Breath of Fire...

00:17:30.000 Right, that's just like that.

00:17:32.000 But yeah, he could pull his stomach in and move it side to side in some weird way.

00:17:37.000 Yeah, he said like he could use every muscle in his body individually.

00:17:41.000 Yeah.

00:17:41.000 Like move it independent of other muscles.

00:17:45.000 That's a weird one.

00:17:45.000 You also love surfing.

00:17:46.000 Love surfing.

00:17:47.000 Yeah.

00:17:48.000 I've given boards to Hickson for a long time.

00:17:50.000 Really?

00:17:50.000 Yeah.

00:17:50.000 Oh, that's so cool.

00:17:52.000 Yeah, it's amazing how many jujitsu guys love surfing.

00:17:56.000 Yeah, there's endless.

00:17:57.000 Is it just because of Rio and Rio and it's like...

00:18:00.000 They're on the beach, you know?

00:18:01.000 It's such a surf place.

00:18:02.000 Yeah, it's like they all sort of did jujitsu and sort of played soccer and surf.

00:18:07.000 They're all on the beach, so they're kind of doing these things and some volleyball with their feet, whatever you call that thing.

00:18:12.000 Right, right, right.

00:18:12.000 What is that?

00:18:13.000 I don't know.

00:18:15.000 But the slams are sick.

00:18:16.000 It's crazy.

00:18:17.000 I posted a video of these guys in Thailand that were doing that.

00:18:21.000 They were playing, like, volleyball, a version of volleyball with their feet. 0.99

00:18:25.000 And it's fucking wild, man. 0.99

00:18:27.000 It's like the ultimate hacky sack. 1.00

00:18:28.000 Yeah, it's the craziest shit. 0.99

00:18:30.000 Like, the dexterity they have with their feet, where they're whacking the ball over, and then the other guy on the other side is whacking it back, and it's like they're catching it with their foot. 0.99

00:18:37.000 Oh, look at this.

00:18:39.000 Whoa! 0.71

00:18:39.000 Look at the angles they get. 0.71

00:18:42.000 Yeah.

00:18:42.000 I mean, the flexibility, too.

00:18:45.000 And these guys are really close to each other, too.

00:18:47.000 Yeah. 0.93

00:18:48.000 There must be some good fails, like kicks in the face. 0.95

00:18:51.000 Oh, I'm sure. 0.73

00:18:51.000 I'm sure there's a lot of that. 0.73

00:18:53.000 What's it called?

00:18:55.000 This is Koreans.

00:18:57.000 Boom.

00:19:00.000 Look at that kick!

00:19:01.000 Oh my god, that's insane! 0.97

00:19:02.000 And then you have to fall on your hands, and I hope you don't break your wrists.

00:19:06.000 I wonder if they got kind of a padded floor, like a mat on Dojo. 0.93

00:19:12.000 This is pretty impressive stuff, but Jamie, see if you find that video that I posted on my Instagram page, I reposted somebody else posting it, and it's fucking bananas, because these guys are using this little shitty ball in the jungle, and just the ability that they have with their feet is just out of this world.

00:19:29.000 You ever hear of a guy named Sir Donald Brad...

00:19:33.000 Gosh, I'm going to forget his name.

00:19:35.000 Bradman, I believe it was.

00:19:36.000 He's the best cricket player of all time.

00:19:39.000 No.

00:19:39.000 Best cricketer of all time.

00:19:40.000 So he grew up in Australia, kind of an outback, and he...

00:19:43.000 I guess, from what I heard, there wasn't many people around.

00:19:45.000 And he used to play...

00:19:47.000 He would take a stick, just a random stick, and he would hit a ball against a corrugated, curved wall.

00:19:55.000 Corrugated aluminum, you know, one of those kind of bended walls.

00:19:59.000 And they used for roofing.

00:20:02.000 And so the ball would just bounce off at all these different angles.

00:20:05.000 And his hand-eye coordination became like, you know, as good as you could possibly ever have.

00:20:12.000 Because it was like his fun thing to do.

00:20:13.000 Check these guys out. 1.00

00:20:16.000 Look at this crazy shit. 1.00

00:20:17.000 I saw you post this, yeah. 1.00

00:20:18.000 Look at this.

00:20:19.000 Off the head.

00:20:20.000 And it looks like these perfect shots, but they keep firing it back at each other.

00:20:24.000 Look at that. 0.73

00:20:25.000 Off the head. 1.00

00:20:26.000 Fucking madness. 1.00

00:20:27.000 And it sounds hard. 0.99

00:20:27.000 It sounds like a coconut or something, you know? 0.99

00:20:29.000 Right. 0.99

00:20:29.000 It sounds like they made it out of like a rock and some fucking duct tape. 0.99

00:20:33.000 Oh, how was that one? 0.99

00:20:34.000 How was that kick?

00:20:35.000 That was a straight up martial arts kick. 0.96

00:20:37.000 Insane.

00:20:38.000 It was like a push kick.

00:20:39.000 A push kick, but a roundhouse kick at the same time.

00:20:42.000 Like a push crescent kick. 0.95

00:20:45.000 This guy...

00:20:46.000 I mean...

00:20:48.000 And the block.

00:20:49.000 If you can get good at doing that, I guess it is Thai, because those are Thai writing, but if you could get good at that, man, I mean, there's certain guys that just, when you see them in Muay Thai, they have, oh, that's what it's called?

00:21:01.000 Burmese.

00:21:02.000 Sipak Takra.

00:21:04.000 It's Burmese.

00:21:05.000 Oh, okay.

00:21:06.000 Soccer and volleyball put together.

00:21:08.000 Yeah, those guys would be awesome fighters.

00:21:10.000 There's certain guys that have just insane leg dexterity that you see in martial arts.

00:21:15.000 Like, do you know who Sanchai is?

00:21:16.000 You ever see Sanchai fight?

00:21:17.000 Yeah.

00:21:18.000 His leg kicks would be...

00:21:19.000 Insane.

00:21:20.000 Yeah.

00:21:20.000 Well, he's everything.

00:21:21.000 There's a famous highlight reel of him where he throws this, like, fake knee off the right and then jumping roundhouse kicks this guy in the face and KOs him with his left.

00:21:31.000 And it's just the ability that he has to place his foot like anywhere he wants.

00:21:36.000 His dexterity is just out of this world.

00:21:39.000 His range would just be otherworldly, right?

00:21:42.000 Yeah.

00:21:42.000 Well, that's...

00:21:43.000 I mean, there's just...

00:21:44.000 There he is.

00:21:45.000 Oh, yeah.

00:21:46.000 Oh, that's not Senshi.

00:21:47.000 No, that's a younger guy.

00:21:50.000 Senshi was talking about, they were asking about Conor, fighting Conor.

00:21:53.000 You ever see that thing?

00:21:54.000 Yeah. 0.97

00:21:55.000 He's like, no, I'd kill this guy. 1.00

00:21:56.000 He'd fuck him up. 1.00

00:21:57.000 He'd fuck him up so bad. 1.00

00:21:59.000 Like, he'd probably let it go. 1.00

00:22:00.000 Okay, kick me a few times and let's trade. 1.00

00:22:01.000 Let's trade a couple.

00:22:02.000 Well, he's so hard to hit, too.

00:22:04.000 Senshi is just so elusive.

00:22:06.000 Why wouldn't someone like him end up in a UFC fight?

00:22:08.000 Because he doesn't know how to fight on the ground.

00:22:10.000 I mean, that's all it is.

00:22:11.000 Wouldn't they just pin him with another stand-up guy?

00:22:14.000 If they were smart, yeah, that would be the smart thing to do, but...

00:22:18.000 I mean, you're not gonna put CM Punk against another ground guy, are you?

00:22:21.000 Right.

00:22:22.000 Well, CM Punk, yeah, that would be a disaster.

00:22:25.000 CM Punk, that whole thing was...

00:22:27.000 Everybody's like, I can do it! 1.00

00:22:29.000 You know, you watch CM Punk, you're like, fuck, I'll fucking fight! 1.00

00:22:32.000 They won't give you those fights. 1.00

00:22:34.000 CM Punk's probably a lot tougher than the average guy, anyway.

00:22:37.000 I mean, I don't know.

00:22:38.000 I don't know fighting, but, you know...

00:22:40.000 Not than the average fighter.

00:22:41.000 No, not the average fighter, but maybe the average guy in a bar, right?

00:22:44.000 CM Punk is a real nice guy, and I don't want to say anything bad about him, because, I mean, the guy gave it his all.

00:22:49.000 He really did.

00:22:50.000 Totally, totally dedicated.

00:22:51.000 And he ate some humble pie, and he was totally cool about it.

00:22:54.000 He was, and he was cool about it the first time, and he was cool about it the second time.

00:22:58.000 He's a real good guy, but he doesn't have...

00:23:01.000 What I would call talent.

00:23:02.000 Yeah, the skill.

00:23:03.000 He just moves wrong.

00:23:05.000 Yeah.

00:23:05.000 You can see him against Mickey Gall.

00:23:07.000 He came in and just went, you know, over the top.

00:23:09.000 And he was probably so nervous, too, never being in that situation of a real fight.

00:23:14.000 I mean, he's been in front of the crowds, but...

00:23:16.000 That was a nightmare. 0.97

00:23:17.000 That Mickey Gall fight was so ridiculous. 1.00

00:23:19.000 Mickey Gall's fucking good. 1.00

00:23:21.000 He's really good. 1.00

00:23:22.000 He's fucking good. 1.00

00:23:23.000 He's dangerous. 0.99

00:23:23.000 And to have a guy like CM Punk that doesn't have a back... 0.99

00:23:25.000 It's not like Brock Lesnar.

00:23:27.000 Like, Brock Lesnar came to the UFC. He was a national champion as a wrestler.

00:23:30.000 He's a fucking gorilla as a human being. 1.00

00:23:33.000 Just a freak athlete. 1.00

00:23:35.000 CM Punk is a regular guy.

00:23:37.000 Like, he's not...

00:23:38.000 There's nothing freaky about him.

00:23:39.000 He doesn't have crazy power or weird speed.

00:23:42.000 You don't see him and go, that guy looks super scary.

00:23:44.000 Right, right.

00:23:45.000 For a guy his size, I think.

00:23:46.000 Right.

00:23:46.000 There's guys that don't look, like Sanchai himself does not look like a freak.

00:23:51.000 That guy is freaky.

00:23:52.000 Yeah, he's so freaky.

00:23:53.000 But when you see him, he looks like an athlete, but he doesn't look like, you know, it's not like Roy Jones Jr. in his prime or something. 0.99

00:24:01.000 When you see him, you just go, Jesus, look at this fucking guy. 0.97

00:24:03.000 He was just, I mean, he's just so good. 0.99

00:24:06.000 But a guy like CM Punk...

00:24:07.000 He didn't have a background, and he tried martial arts when he was like 36. So he had no background?

00:24:13.000 Not really.

00:24:14.000 In the even wrestling background?

00:24:16.000 No, he didn't even wrestle.

00:24:17.000 It was all theatrical wrestling. 0.54

00:24:19.000 It was all entertainment, you know?

00:24:21.000 You would think though that those guys would, even the theatrical wrestling, they would go and Work on the skill day in, day out.

00:24:28.000 That's all you have to be as a wrestler, right?

00:24:30.000 There's such a difference between working on the skill day in, day out, and then working on the skill when someone doesn't want you to do it to them.

00:24:35.000 That's the thing. 0.79

00:24:36.000 And then when they're trying to do things to you, like just fucking you up, and there's nothing you can do about it. 0.98

00:24:42.000 And your mouth breathing. 0.98

00:24:45.000 Yeah, everything's wrong.

00:24:47.000 But, I mean, I'm sure he made a ton of money, and he tested himself.

00:24:51.000 The guy, I mean, give the guy some credit.

00:24:53.000 He really did test himself.

00:24:54.000 Yeah, I think it was a good thing for Dana and everyone to see, too.

00:25:00.000 Like, oh, okay, we're not going to do that.

00:25:02.000 Right.

00:25:03.000 Let's not put someone in that position.

00:25:05.000 Let's not put ourselves in that position.

00:25:07.000 But they were talking about, like, Logan Paul.

00:25:09.000 Like, Logan Paul fighting the UFC. And he was like, Logan Paul get killed.

00:25:12.000 Logan Paul is fucking way better. 1.00

00:25:16.000 Way better than CM Punk. 0.99

00:25:18.000 Logan Paul, like, actually knows how to fight.

00:25:20.000 He had a boxing match with that other YouTube guy.

00:25:23.000 But I was watching him throw punches in that fight.

00:25:26.000 I'm like, this is a guy who actually knows how to punch.

00:25:28.000 Like, his punches look good.

00:25:30.000 He gassed out.

00:25:31.000 He got a little tired.

00:25:32.000 First real fight like that.

00:25:34.000 But he has a background in wrestling.

00:25:35.000 And he actually can punch.

00:25:37.000 Like, I was watching him punch this guy.

00:25:39.000 I was like, that's a guy who actually knows how to throw punches.

00:25:42.000 He knows distance and timing.

00:25:45.000 He knows how to connect.

00:25:46.000 And he doesn't...

00:25:47.000 Look like Canelo Alvarez or anything crazy, but he looks like a guy who can actually punch.

00:25:51.000 Well, you can give him a break on that.

00:25:52.000 But Dana's like, you know, have him fight in the UFC, he would get killed. 1.00

00:25:55.000 Like, you had a fucking CM Punk fight! 0.99

00:25:58.000 This guy's way better than him! 1.00

00:26:00.000 He really has a background in fighting.

00:26:02.000 How does that dynamic work with you and Dana?

00:26:06.000 Where, you know, with something like that, that could be seen, if somebody's a little triggered or a little sensitive, they might get a little bit angry at you saying something like that. 0.99

00:26:16.000 Dana's the easiest going guy ever with that kind of shit. 1.00

00:26:19.000 He doesn't give a fuck. 1.00

00:26:20.000 Look, me and him have been friends for, like, Almost 20 years. 0.99

00:26:27.000 We've been friends for a long time.

00:26:29.000 And I've been working for the UFC. I mean, I started working for the old company in 97. I started working for that long ago.

00:26:36.000 Yeah.

00:26:36.000 And then the new company, I started working for them in 2002. And I was friends with Dana before that.

00:26:43.000 It's just, he knows my heart's in the right place.

00:26:46.000 But he also knows that if I wasn't honest, nobody would listen to me.

00:26:50.000 Yeah, that's the thing I enjoy watching the fights and listening to.

00:26:54.000 You're critical in a fair way with people, I think.

00:26:58.000 I try to be.

00:26:59.000 Yeah, when you critique what somebody's doing, it's like if they listen the right way, it's probably going to help them.

00:27:05.000 Well, I definitely don't say things that...

00:27:08.000 I don't know what I'm talking about and I don't say things that I don't mean.

00:27:11.000 But if I see something and I've watched...

00:27:14.000 I mean, I've called at least a thousand fights.

00:27:17.000 I don't know how many fights I've called.

00:27:18.000 Probably more.

00:27:18.000 Probably more, yeah.

00:27:20.000 And I've seen...

00:27:22.000 Some of the greatest fights of all time, up live, in close, right next to the cage, you know? 1.00

00:27:28.000 I've seen a lot of shit. 0.99

00:27:29.000 So if I'm saying something, it's probably because it's right, or I mean it. 0.99

00:27:34.000 But if I don't know what I'm talking about, it's one of the good things about having Daniel Cormier there, or Dominic Cruz.

00:27:40.000 If there's some aspect of fighting that maybe I'm not exactly sure about, I can defer to them.

00:27:45.000 And I could say, like, what's so important about getting the underhook here?

00:27:49.000 You know, and then Cormier could go off about, like, why this?

00:27:52.000 And then you go, oh, okay, I get that.

00:27:55.000 Okay, I see.

00:27:56.000 That was a big thing in the fight with Stipe Miocic and Daniel Cormier.

00:28:00.000 Dominic Cruz was explaining how important it was that Cormier kept pummeling.

00:28:05.000 He kept shifting positions and pummeling for underhooks, and that was one of the reasons why he was able to land that big right hand, because he was never static.

00:28:12.000 He also had to wear some to get in there, too, didn't he?

00:28:14.000 I mean, he was right in Stipe's face, and Stipe was like, I mean, that was such a great match, even though, obviously, it didn't last very long.

00:28:21.000 Yeah.

00:28:22.000 I mean, he took a few on the chin real hard to get in there. 0.99

00:28:27.000 For Stipe that's got to drive him fucking crazy. 0.96

00:28:29.000 He's been tweeting a lot. 0.98

00:28:31.000 Why wouldn't he get a straight rematch straight away?

00:28:33.000 I mean, there is even supposedly talk of McGregor getting a rematch when he got pretty much handled everywhere.

00:28:38.000 I don't think there's real talk of McGregor getting a rematch.

00:28:41.000 I think the real smart money is on Tony Ferguson fighting Khabib next. 1.00

00:28:45.000 I hope that happens.

00:28:47.000 Dana's been saying that.

00:28:49.000 I 100% believe that Tony Ferguson...

00:28:52.000 I don't think Tony Ferguson should have ever been stripped.

00:28:55.000 I think he should still be the interim champion.

00:28:56.000 I mean, the guy fell while he was doing press and tore his knee apart.

00:29:00.000 Six months later, comes back and destroys Anthony Pettis in a spectacular performance.

00:29:05.000 What a fight.

00:29:06.000 But Pettis was great, too. 1.00

00:29:07.000 Fuck yeah, he was. 0.99

00:29:08.000 He clipped him. 1.00

00:29:09.000 Tony's just a warrior.

00:29:11.000 I mean, his cardio never runs out.

00:29:14.000 He throws weird stuff with everything you can throw.

00:29:17.000 He apparently got upset that we called him a weirdo.

00:29:21.000 I guess he's sensitive.

00:29:23.000 He apparently got upset.

00:29:24.000 I said he was a brilliant weirdo when he was on his way to the cage, but I meant that 100% complimentary.

00:29:30.000 The guy wears ankle weights at the weigh-ins.

00:29:32.000 Yeah.

00:29:33.000 Like, I don't even know what...

00:29:34.000 I mean, he uses a Wing Chun dummy.

00:29:36.000 He sets up all of his camp, like his training equipment, he sets it up himself.

00:29:41.000 He puts the mats down.

00:29:42.000 He builds his own, like, heavy bag hangers. 0.99

00:29:44.000 He puts up, like, chin-up bars, all that shit. 0.99

00:29:47.000 He does it himself. 0.98

00:29:48.000 I think Weirdo sounds like it's unfamiliar to the average training regimen.

00:29:52.000 Yes.

00:29:53.000 That's what I meant.

00:29:53.000 I meant it complimentary.

00:29:54.000 I'm a huge fan of that guy.

00:29:55.000 I am, too.

00:29:56.000 I think he's awesome.

00:29:57.000 I also think that he is the toughest test for Khabib because of his cardio and because of his versatility because he could fight really well off his back.

00:30:05.000 I mean, he submitted Kevin Lee off his back to win the title.

00:30:08.000 He's got a fantastic Darce choke and his ability to hold guys in his guard and recover if he gets clipped.

00:30:16.000 I mean, he's the most dangerous guy at lightweight for Khabib, I think, in my opinion. 0.97

00:30:22.000 He just never gets fucking tired. 0.96

00:30:23.000 It doesn't even make sense. 0.97

00:30:25.000 And Eddie, you know, Eddie trains him.

00:30:27.000 He's one of Eddie's students.

00:30:28.000 Eddie says he's never seen anything like it.

00:30:30.000 He said, this guy workouts six hours a day, full clip.

00:30:33.000 Everybody else is exhausted.

00:30:35.000 He keeps going.

00:30:36.000 They're doing sprints up the hill.

00:30:37.000 Tony laps everybody and keeps going.

00:30:39.000 His cardio is off the charts.

00:30:41.000 Yeah, it's freaky.

00:30:41.000 I wonder if that's a Mexican thing, too.

00:30:44.000 I think there's a lot of Mexicans that have amazing cardio.

00:30:47.000 I really do.

00:30:47.000 The Mayans, right?

00:30:48.000 I don't know what it is, man.

00:30:49.000 I mean, if it's a running thing, for sure.

00:30:52.000 But, I mean, if you go back to Julio Cesar Chavez.

00:30:55.000 He eats tons of maca.

00:30:56.000 Maybe.

00:30:57.000 I think I mean Gilbert Melinda said that once too that it's a Mexican thing is cardio because Gilbert's always been known for his crazy cardio I really wonder if there's like certain ethnicities that have an advantage or at least a Better starting point and then it's all hard work from there.

00:31:13.000 Yeah, the most maybe there's some Jeanette thing You can prove from the way the blood holds oxygen. 0.98

00:31:18.000 Diego Sanchez.

00:31:19.000 He's another one you go insane cardio Yeah, I mean, I don't know.

00:31:22.000 I mean it's uh It's a fun thing to think about.

00:31:28.000 You go back to boxing in particular.

00:31:32.000 How many great boxers had fantastic cardio from Mexico?

00:31:36.000 Chavez in particular.

00:31:37.000 Julio Cesar Chavez would just wear guys down.

00:31:40.000 The volume of his punching would just never stop.

00:31:43.000 Just constantly on you.

00:31:44.000 Constantly moving forward.

00:31:45.000 Bobbing and weaving and throwing shots.

00:31:47.000 Sometimes as an athlete, like if you're a boxer, even if you didn't have that, you'd have to dig deep and pretend Yeah.

00:31:54.000 You know what I mean?

00:31:55.000 Because that starts wearing on the other guy. 0.98

00:31:57.000 Like, this guy's never going to fucking stop. 0.98

00:31:58.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:31:59.000 Like, I had a situation once.

00:32:02.000 I was super winded.

00:32:03.000 I was really tired in a heat surfing against a guy in Tahiti.

00:32:07.000 And this heat ended up sort of being like a world title heat for me.

00:32:12.000 And I was losing with like two minutes to go, and I ended up in this paddle battle against a guy.

00:32:18.000 And he's a good paddler and pretty fit guy.

00:32:21.000 And we're like head-to-head.

00:32:23.000 And what happens?

00:32:23.000 Whoever gets back out first, deemed by the judges, gets priority over the next wave.

00:32:28.000 They can have whatever wave they want.

00:32:29.000 And with two minutes, three minutes left in a heat surfing, that's not a lot of time to get a wave.

00:32:34.000 If the wave comes, you've got to be the guy that has priority for it.

00:32:38.000 And we're paddling, and I could feel him just for half a second kind of let up on his paddle, like, okay, I'm getting ahead on this guy.

00:32:44.000 And as soon as he did, I paddled harder.

00:32:46.000 And I was like, you know, to show him, like, I got more.

00:32:48.000 And he gave up.

00:32:50.000 And I got it.

00:32:51.000 And then I got, then I needed, like, a, you know, we scored a 10 points, and I needed, like, a 9. I got, like, a 9.4 with 30 seconds to go or something.

00:32:58.000 Wow.

00:32:58.000 It was just, but it was, I didn't have that in me.

00:33:01.000 Like, physically, I was like, I want to quit, too, you know?

00:33:04.000 Yeah.

00:33:04.000 But I was like, I gotta poker face this guy and make him think I got more, you know?

00:33:07.000 And I really didn't.

00:33:09.000 It was just that choice.

00:33:09.000 Like, I don't care.

00:33:10.000 I'm gonna get out there with the lungs burning and I'll feel bad for 30 seconds.

00:33:13.000 Whatever.

00:33:14.000 Yeah.

00:33:14.000 You know?

00:33:14.000 But sometimes you...

00:33:15.000 I would imagine boxers try...

00:33:17.000 or MMA guys...

00:33:19.000 For sure.

00:33:20.000 Sometimes you can't bluff that, but...

00:33:22.000 Right.

00:33:22.000 Sometimes you can't bluff it, but yeah, for sure it does come up where there's an edge one way or the other.

00:33:28.000 That's a big thing with Ferguson, that pressure that he puts on guys.

00:33:31.000 Yeah, he just never gets slow.

00:33:33.000 You know, if you watch the Gustafsson-John Jones fight, too...

00:33:38.000 John late in that fight, you know, there could have been some doubt in some people who's winning that fight or whatever.

00:33:42.000 It was a close fight.

00:33:43.000 But it looked like John just started pouring it.

00:33:45.000 He was dug in.

00:33:46.000 It was three to one strikes in the last couple rounds.

00:33:50.000 Yeah.

00:33:51.000 The last rounds won him that fight.

00:33:53.000 And by all accounts, John wasn't in shape.

00:33:55.000 By all accounts, John really didn't train for that fight and didn't take Gustafson seriously and kind of half-assed his training camp and still pulled it off in the championship rounds.

00:34:04.000 That guy is unbelievable.

00:34:06.000 And they're going to rematch.

00:34:07.000 They are, right?

00:34:08.000 Yeah.

00:34:08.000 January?

00:34:09.000 Yep.

00:34:10.000 The December card, it's January, New Year's Eve.

00:34:13.000 You know, basically, I think it's the...

00:34:14.000 December 29th, I think.

00:34:15.000 29th, is that what it is?

00:34:17.000 Fantastic fight.

00:34:18.000 And because I think Gustafson's way better now.

00:34:20.000 You see, when Gustafson knocked out Glover Teixeira, I mean, he just looked like...

00:34:23.000 It was like a video game combination.

00:34:25.000 It was brutal.

00:34:25.000 Yeah.

00:34:26.000 So I think that fight is...

00:34:27.000 That's going to be one for the ages.

00:34:30.000 And for John to be his comeback fight, and for Gustafson to be the rematch he's asking for forever, and it will be for the light heavyweight title.

00:34:37.000 They're going to strip Cormier.

00:34:38.000 Are they?

00:34:39.000 Yeah.

00:34:39.000 Well, because he's going to fight heavyweight, isn't he?

00:34:41.000 Yeah.

00:34:41.000 I mean, he's fighting Derek Lewis in December.

00:34:44.000 Isn't that a weird fight?

00:34:46.000 Well, he's number two.

00:34:46.000 I'm a fan.

00:34:47.000 He's number two.

00:34:48.000 Obviously.

00:34:48.000 I mean, if you look at the rankings, it's not.

00:34:51.000 If you look at...

00:34:51.000 Derek Lewis is obviously unorthodox.

00:34:54.000 But he was just getting mauled in that last fight.

00:34:57.000 It doesn't matter when you win.

00:34:59.000 I guess it doesn't matter when you get that last punch in.

00:35:01.000 Well, the power that he has can change the course of every fight.

00:35:04.000 That guy would murder me with his finger, you know?

00:35:06.000 Why am I even talking about this? 0.61

00:35:08.000 Well, he's the number two contender.

00:35:10.000 I mean, he really was the number two contender headed into that fight and then wins.

00:35:14.000 I think that guy was the dark horse of the division.

00:35:17.000 And so for him to knock out Alexander like that, I mean, that was a giant knockout. 0.99

00:35:22.000 And to get his ass kicked for three rounds... 0.97

00:35:24.000 Respect to Alexander, though, for staying in the pocket, fighting out with 30 seconds to go when he's clearly winning that fight. 0.99

00:35:33.000 Well, he got hurt.

00:35:34.000 He got hurt a couple times in that fight.

00:35:35.000 Did he just...

00:35:36.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:35:36.000 There was one time where he lost his mouthpiece and he tried to give it to Derek.

00:35:40.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:35:41.000 I think he was on Queer Street. 0.99

00:35:42.000 I don't think he knew what the fuck was going on. 0.99

00:35:45.000 Because Derek hits so hard. 0.99

00:35:46.000 He does.

00:35:47.000 Even if you don't get knocked out, you're probably like, oh, Jesus.

00:35:49.000 Even a glancing blow, right? 1.00

00:35:50.000 Yeah, you're probably like, what in the fuck? 0.99

00:35:52.000 I mean, think about the way he knocked out Travis Brown, the way he knocked out Gonzaga. 0.99

00:35:56.000 And Derek would be even better if he didn't have a bad back. 0.99

00:36:00.000 Derek's got a fucked up back. 0.96

00:36:02.000 That's three fights in six months? 0.98

00:36:04.000 What was the last fight with Ngannou? 0.99

00:36:07.000 Well, he fought Ngannou, and that was the fight where I was just like, what the fuck? 0.98

00:36:12.000 That was barely a fight. 0.99

00:36:13.000 It was like five punches thrown in the entire fight.

00:36:15.000 It's weird, though.

00:36:15.000 As a fan watching it, I felt like...

00:36:18.000 You see one against Ngannou.

00:36:21.000 July.

00:36:21.000 Yeah.

00:36:22.000 As a fan, did you feel like that was more on Ngannou than it was on Derek?

00:36:27.000 Yes.

00:36:27.000 I don't know.

00:36:28.000 I felt that way.

00:36:29.000 Well, Ngannou didn't do anything.

00:36:31.000 And Derek won.

00:36:33.000 He didn't win by much, but he was basically waiting for Ngannou. 0.98

00:36:37.000 You know, you gotta be careful with Ngannou, because Ngannou punches so fucking hard. 0.99

00:36:41.000 But Stipe fucked that dude's head up. 0.99

00:36:43.000 He really did. 1.00

00:36:45.000 Stipe just fucked his head up. 1.00

00:36:46.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:36:48.000 That was...

00:36:49.000 Nobody's even talking about Ngannou anymore.

00:36:51.000 That's what's weird.

00:36:52.000 Ngannou, before the Stipe fight, everybody's like, this is the second coming.

00:36:55.000 I was so excited for that thing.

00:36:56.000 Oh my god! 0.99

00:36:57.000 When he knocked Alistair Overeem into another dimension, everybody was like, holy shit! 0.99

00:37:01.000 Yeah, that looked like a career-ending punch. 0.99

00:37:05.000 It did. 0.71

00:37:05.000 That was like, I'll break your neck with this thing. 0.71

00:37:07.000 Meanwhile, Overeem's ready to fight again.

00:37:09.000 Didn't he fight again after that against Curtis Blades?

00:37:12.000 I feel like he did.

00:37:13.000 I feel like he fought Curtis Blades after that and lost.

00:37:16.000 And got stopped in that fight, too. 0.98

00:37:18.000 Yeah, I mean, look, Ngannou hits fucking hard. 0.98

00:37:23.000 Like, harder than anybody has ever fought. 0.97

00:37:25.000 But not when he's mouth-breathing in the fifth round, right?

00:37:28.000 It didn't matter because he gassed himself out in the first and he really wasn't prepared for a full game.

00:37:33.000 He really didn't think it was going to go to the ground from what I heard.

00:37:35.000 He thought, you know, catch this guy and whatever.

00:37:37.000 That's what I think he thought.

00:37:37.000 I think he thought he hit so hard that Stipe was going to be in front of him, he was going to hit Stipe, he was going to be the heavyweight champ.

00:37:44.000 I was going to ask you, do you have your absolute dream job I mean, you do a few things, but you get to talk UFC. You're a black belt under Eddie, right?

00:37:55.000 Yeah.

00:37:56.000 So you've kind of found the perfect job for yourself.

00:37:59.000 It's a great job.

00:37:59.000 Yeah, it's a lot of fun.

00:38:00.000 I can tell when you talk about it, you just love it so much.

00:38:02.000 I love surfing.

00:38:04.000 I live, eat, and breathe surf.

00:38:05.000 Every day I wake up and the first thing I do is look at, where's the waves in the world?

00:38:08.000 Do you think when you retire you'll do commentary?

00:38:10.000 No.

00:38:11.000 Maybe a little bit, yeah.

00:38:13.000 Maybe a little bit.

00:38:13.000 But I don't really want a job.

00:38:18.000 Look, I've been on a pro tour pretty much since I was 19. I'm 46. I took about three years off, but I would still compete a little bit those years.

00:38:27.000 What's the high end of the age limit in terms of when a guy can really compete right now?

00:38:32.000 No one's ever been my age on tour.

00:38:34.000 Really?

00:38:34.000 Yeah.

00:38:35.000 I think the next oldest guy on tour is 38 and he's retiring this year.

00:38:38.000 Wow.

00:38:39.000 When I got on tour, the oldest guy was 28 years old. 0.99

00:38:42.000 Holy shit. 0.99

00:38:43.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:38:46.000 I would say in the 80s, it didn't look like you could make some money.

00:38:51.000 And if you were a top five guy, but it didn't look like you could have like this crazy career.

00:38:55.000 So guys weren't thinking longevity.

00:38:56.000 They're like, let's go have a freaking good time.

00:38:58.000 Right.

00:38:58.000 Travel around the world and get paid for it for a few years, and then we'll figure out a job after.

00:39:02.000 Or maybe we'll have enough money to kind of live real humbly.

00:39:04.000 What is the difference between how you prepare and other guys?

00:39:08.000 Is it your diet, strength and conditioning?

00:39:11.000 Like, what is it?

00:39:11.000 I don't overexert myself very much.

00:39:13.000 So my training, aside from surfing, isn't a lot.

00:39:18.000 I feel like I retain enough strength to be good at what I need to.

00:39:24.000 You don't burn yourself out.

00:39:25.000 I don't burn myself out.

00:39:27.000 The oldest people in the world weren't athletes.

00:39:30.000 They're kind of people who didn't burn themselves out too much.

00:39:34.000 My theory on longevity is don't overdo it.

00:39:38.000 I don't need to necessarily be overtrained for what I do.

00:39:41.000 A lot of the winning that I do competitively is from a skill.

00:39:47.000 It's not so much from being super strong, having crazy cardio.

00:39:51.000 It's making a choice about which wave, how I'm going to approach and ride that wave, and I have to get two scores every 30 minutes when I compete.

00:39:58.000 So it's like I got this 30 minute window I need to be ready for.

00:40:01.000 I don't need to be like in crazy, crazy shape.

00:40:04.000 So what is it that held other guys back in the past?

00:40:06.000 I think there's a number of factors I think you have to naturally be really competitive like in your when you were born in your home somehow you had to maybe you needed something to prove you know I I was kind of like Growing up, I sort of looked back at it and kind of laughed.

00:40:23.000 Maybe I couldn't get the girl I liked because she liked an older guy. 0.70

00:40:27.000 We didn't really have any money in my family, so I wanted to make some money.

00:40:31.000 I had an older brother who kind of picked on me, but I hung out with him and played football with his friends that were all three years older than me, so I had to be tough and fast.

00:40:39.000 I had to be smart.

00:40:40.000 That's the case with a lot of guys, older brothers. 1.00

00:40:42.000 Older brothers that they couldn't really compete with and like, this motherfucker. 0.99

00:40:46.000 And so every night they would just eat away at them. 1.00

00:40:48.000 Yeah, I think it did.

00:40:50.000 And there was always that, you know, my brother and I, I think we have a pretty good relationship now.

00:40:54.000 And I don't think he would disagree with me that we kind of didn't get along for 20 years or more.

00:41:01.000 We sort of hate each other.

00:41:02.000 That's a long time.

00:41:03.000 Yeah.

00:41:04.000 But, you know, from the time we were teenagers, we kind of grew apart.

00:41:07.000 You know, I sort of started doing real well competing on the world stage, and he sort of stagnated.

00:41:14.000 And we just, you know, people and families have different dynamics.

00:41:18.000 You know, each child has a different dynamic, whether they're the first.

00:41:21.000 I'm in the middle of three, all boys.

00:41:24.000 Our younger brother was six years younger than me, so he was kind of out of the loop.

00:41:27.000 When we were teenagers, he's still a little kid.

00:41:29.000 So we weren't really competing with him.

00:41:31.000 But he saw us competing against each other in maybe a few ways.

00:41:37.000 And it kind of turned him off to surfing.

00:41:39.000 So he didn't start surfing until he was a teenager.

00:41:41.000 Oh, wow.

00:41:42.000 And when he did, he rode longboards.

00:41:43.000 And we're both shortboarders, like, you know, more competition kind of guys.

00:41:49.000 And he loved kind of the old throwback, the 60s and 70s surfers on longboards or on single fins, which is like not a modern board at all.

00:41:58.000 Why would someone choose one or the other?

00:42:01.000 Longboards or shortboards?

00:42:02.000 Yeah.

00:42:02.000 It's a real different skill.

00:42:05.000 Longboards are kind of easier to just get up and ride a wave, but the skill you have on a longboard is more ballet than it is gym.

00:42:15.000 It's not like big maneuvers.

00:42:17.000 It's more like gliding on the wave, looking like you're not trying hard.

00:42:20.000 It's more of a dance, if you will, than it is like a...

00:42:25.000 Some kind of athletic skill.

00:42:27.000 And, you know, shortboarding is just, you know, you're going for aerials and lots of different sort of fast maneuvers, really riding in the pocket of the wave.

00:42:36.000 Whereas longboarding, you're looking for a different kind of, you ride a different kind of wave altogether.

00:42:40.000 You really don't, most of the waves we ride for modern shortboarding and competition aren't waves you would ride on a longboard because they're too hollow, they're too quick and fast, and you can't fit a longboard in the same way.

00:42:51.000 So your brother just kind of took it up more for the fun of it and the aesthetic of it?

00:42:55.000 Yeah.

00:42:56.000 He literally was at the beach one day.

00:42:57.000 His story, he was about 14 or 15, and we always tried to get him to surf.

00:43:01.000 And when he was about 8 or 10, I took him surfing one day at our local break at Sebastian in Florida.

00:43:07.000 And I pushed him on this wave, and he ate it and was underwater a long time.

00:43:11.000 It kind of freaked him out.

00:43:12.000 Not a long time.

00:43:13.000 I mean, long time for an eight-year-old, like maybe 10 seconds or eight seconds, you know, when you're out of breath.

00:43:17.000 A little freaky, like you don't know which way is up.

00:43:20.000 And he kind of quit surfing.

00:43:21.000 And then when he was like 14 or 15, he's at the beach.

00:43:23.000 And this guy, he really respected this kind of older guy.

00:43:27.000 He's like, hey, I'm going to run somewhere.

00:43:29.000 We watch my board.

00:43:30.000 He had a long board.

00:43:31.000 And he said, will you watch my board?

00:43:33.000 And Stephen said, oh, yeah, I'll watch it.

00:43:35.000 And the guy said, you can go use it if you want.

00:43:37.000 And he paddled out and caught a few waves.

00:43:38.000 And he just sort of fell in love with that minute with surfing.

00:43:41.000 and it was something unique for him because we didn't longboard so it was like it was that beach life and thing we love but it was different you know right he got his own thing yeah yeah and then me and my brother we you know I got more and more into competition and getting sponsored and stuff and and he sort of he he just kind of started fading out of doing competition full-time and stuff and and And then when I was a teenager,

00:44:08.000 when I was a freshman in high school, this guy moved into town, this kid named Drew, and he had sort of got kicked out of a couple schools elsewhere and got himself in some trouble.

00:44:20.000 And when he came over to the beach, he was kind of in these inland schools.

00:44:24.000 But he was good at football, good at baseball.

00:44:26.000 He was kind of a really good athlete.

00:44:29.000 He became the quarterback on our football team.

00:44:31.000 He was a baseball player, all this kind of stuff.

00:44:34.000 So he was a total jock, not a surfer at all.

00:44:36.000 And somehow he and I became best buddies.

00:44:39.000 And, you know, I liked all the sports.

00:44:41.000 I grew up playing football, basketball, baseball, a little bit of tennis.

00:44:46.000 And he and I, ultimately where we got to was he sort of became my big brother competitively.

00:44:52.000 And we used to battle, and it didn't matter whose feelings got hurt.

00:44:57.000 We competed at absolutely everything from horseshoes to bowling to pool.

00:45:02.000 On my birthday, every year on my birthday, we made it a pact where we'd go play every kind of game we could possibly, and we'd keep a tally of who won what.

00:45:09.000 It was putt-putt golf.

00:45:11.000 It was go-karts.

00:45:12.000 It was basketball.

00:45:14.000 It was shuffleboard.

00:45:15.000 It was literally everything.

00:45:17.000 Everything we could think of.

00:45:20.000 And we just keep a tally.

00:45:21.000 And we used to bet in the millions of dollars.

00:45:24.000 Really?

00:45:25.000 Yeah.

00:45:25.000 Well, yeah, of course.

00:45:26.000 So, you know, at some point, somebody owed somebody hundreds of millions of dollars.

00:45:31.000 But you never paid?

00:45:32.000 No, of course.

00:45:33.000 When it came down to actual money, then it was like five bucks.

00:45:38.000 At one point, he got really into horseshoes and he called me out one day and he's like, you meet me at the beach, we're going to play some horseshoes.

00:45:46.000 I'm like, alright.

00:45:48.000 I'm like, but I'm not playing you unless we're betting some money, like some real money.

00:45:52.000 He's like, alright, bring some money.

00:45:54.000 And at the end of the day, he ended up owing me about $160. 0.99

00:45:57.000 And he's like, you fucking tell my wife I owe you? 1.00

00:45:59.000 I'll fucking kill you and I'll never pay you. 1.00

00:46:01.000 He's like, I don't have the money. 1.00

00:46:03.000 I can't pay you that.

00:46:04.000 He's like, so I'll pay you like $20 here and there as we go.

00:46:07.000 But Drew, he beat me at everything.

00:46:09.000 He was better than me at basically everything.

00:46:11.000 And so it was like that.

00:46:13.000 At Ping Pong, too, on my 18th birthday...

00:46:17.000 I like to call it the night of upsets because it was the night that Mike Tyson lost to Buster Douglas.

00:46:22.000 And it was the night of February 10th.

00:46:26.000 My birthday's on the 11th, but they were in Tokyo.

00:46:28.000 So they were on the 11th fighting.

00:46:30.000 Tyson lost.

00:46:32.000 Drew shows up in my house with a ping pong table.

00:46:34.000 And he says, it was like my birthday gift.

00:46:36.000 All my friends bought me this ping pong table.

00:46:38.000 My mom, my three buddies.

00:46:40.000 And Drew beat me 17 straight games in a row.

00:46:43.000 And I started crying.

00:46:44.000 Yeah.

00:46:48.000 And I think he ended up letting me finally win the last game so we could go to bed.

00:46:52.000 It was like 2 in the morning.

00:46:54.000 And man, I've never been, I've really honestly never been so frustrated and just outright beaten by somebody at anything.

00:47:00.000 And he just owned, I just knew he owned me.

00:47:02.000 And he would just tell me where he's going to hit the ball on the table and beat me.

00:47:05.000 Ping pong is a serious skill.

00:47:07.000 The people that are really good at it...

00:47:09.000 Oh, follow...

00:47:10.000 You should go on Pongfinity on Instagram and watch these things these guys do.

00:47:14.000 It's out of hand.

00:47:15.000 I'm scared.

00:47:16.000 Yeah.

00:47:16.000 Ping pong is one of those games where I was like, if I ever got into that, I think it would eat your life.

00:47:21.000 Yeah.

00:47:22.000 It seems like there's so many levels to it.

00:47:24.000 Yeah, we used to stay up all night. 0.99

00:47:24.000 And, you know, we sucked. 0.99

00:47:26.000 And we thought we were pretty good. 0.94

00:47:27.000 You know, we'd use soap and water to make our paddles a little stickier. 0.84

00:47:33.000 You know, we thought we had all this spin and stuff. 0.99

00:47:34.000 What the fuck? 0.99

00:47:35.000 Look at these guys are playing three-way. 1.00

00:47:37.000 That is crazy.

00:47:38.000 I mean, that's not the kind of three-way you like.

00:47:43.000 It's a strange sport.

00:47:45.000 And they're just smashing the ball.

00:47:48.000 This is crazy.

00:47:49.000 Oh, whoa!

00:47:51.000 Behind the back! 0.99

00:47:52.000 And is there money in ping pong?

00:47:54.000 I don't know.

00:47:55.000 I think there are in China or something.

00:47:58.000 I don't think in the States there really is.

00:48:00.000 That's the same thing with pool now.

00:48:02.000 But I don't know.

00:48:03.000 I don't see some white guy going to China and beating all those guys.

00:48:05.000 These guys are masters. 0.67

00:48:06.000 They don't move.

00:48:07.000 Their wrist moves.

00:48:10.000 There's no dancing.

00:48:11.000 Yeah, it seems like one of those sports where there's a whole world out there that you're not aware of, of elite killer ping pong players.

00:48:22.000 Most people aren't even thinking about it.

00:48:24.000 It's funny.

00:48:26.000 We could talk about ping pong and it's like everyone can kind of join in. 1.00

00:48:30.000 Like if I ever talk about fighting, people are, shut your ass, man. 1.00

00:48:33.000 You stay in your lane. 0.99

00:48:34.000 But, you know, it's like I'm a fan of ping pong, too.

00:48:37.000 I'll talk about ping pong.

00:48:38.000 That's a funny thing, that stay in your lane thing.

00:48:40.000 Like you're not allowed to have an opinion on things.

00:48:42.000 Yeah.

00:48:43.000 Yeah.

00:48:43.000 So then why can we vote, you know, about somebody who's going to handle everything?

00:48:47.000 You know, why are we allowed to...

00:48:48.000 Can we only just vote about something that has to do with surfing or fighting?

00:48:51.000 Well, fighting is a weird one.

00:48:53.000 Like, people want...

00:48:54.000 You have...

00:48:55.000 For some people, like, you have to know how to fight to be able to talk about fighting.

00:48:59.000 Yeah.

00:48:59.000 Like, they get real serious about that.

00:49:01.000 Like, you hear that about journalists. 1.00

00:49:02.000 Like, look at this fucking guy. 1.00

00:49:03.000 Probably never trained a day in his life. 1.00

00:49:05.000 You know, they look at a guy, and he's fat or tiny or whatever, and they just don't want to listen to anything that they say.

00:49:10.000 But meanwhile, they could be an expert.

00:49:12.000 Yeah.

00:49:13.000 I mean, fight Roy Nelson.

00:49:14.000 Yeah.

00:49:15.000 Go have fun.

00:49:16.000 Have fun with that one.

00:49:18.000 When I was a kid, I trained with Don the Dragon Wilson.

00:49:21.000 Oh, did you really?

00:49:22.000 Yeah, I did for about a year.

00:49:24.000 I got a chance to spar him once.

00:49:25.000 Did you?

00:49:25.000 It was awesome.

00:49:26.000 To me, I'm such a fan of that guy.

00:49:29.000 He was totally ambidextrous, wasn't he?

00:49:31.000 Oh yeah, he could fight any style.

00:49:34.000 He also had that weird sideways stance, where he had kickboxing skills, boxing skills, Muay Thai skills, but he also had a traditional karate and kung fu background, so he'd stand sideways on you.

00:49:46.000 And you didn't know what was coming at you then, right?

00:49:47.000 Yeah.

00:49:48.000 No, he was awesome.

00:49:49.000 And I remember when he fought Dennis Alexio.

00:49:51.000 Dennis Alexio was like a monster.

00:49:52.000 He moved to the west side of Wahoo, and that was like all the news back in the 90s, 80s or 90s.

00:49:58.000 Oh really? 0.99

00:49:58.000 Yeah, and he fucked Alexio up with leg kicks. 0.99

00:50:01.000 He was like one of the first guys that punished Alexio with leg kicks. 0.98

00:50:04.000 He did a thing on YouTube about self-defense for women, and they were saying like... 0.97

00:50:09.000 Don Wilson did?

00:50:10.000 Yeah, he was part of this group, and they talked about like, you know, if you're gonna teach a woman something, kick the leg, because that's the biggest target, you know?

00:50:18.000 It's not bad advice.

00:50:19.000 Before jujitsu, people... 0.99

00:50:21.000 Kick the balls. 1.00

00:50:21.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:50:22.000 But your legs carry you around.

00:50:24.000 I mean, that's the thing about a woman. 1.00

00:50:26.000 If a woman weighs 135 pounds, she's walking around with 135 pounds carrying it. 1.00

00:50:31.000 How long could you walk in your hands?

00:50:34.000 I mean, I heard that Brock Lesnar can walk in his hands like a mile, which is kind of crazy.

00:50:37.000 Brock Lesnar?

00:50:38.000 Yeah.

00:50:38.000 Really?

00:50:39.000 He's a freak. 0.97

00:50:40.000 Like a legitimate freak. 0.91

00:50:41.000 He walks in his hands all around the gym.

00:50:44.000 Yeah.

00:50:44.000 He should do a video, like walking up the stairs.

00:50:47.000 I had a buddy, a surf buddy from Santa Cruz.

00:50:51.000 He unfortunately passed away.

00:50:52.000 A guy named Barney, a good friend of all of ours.

00:50:55.000 And he used to do these surf video clips and he would walk downstairs.

00:50:58.000 Whoa.

00:50:59.000 And then walk upstairs and he could literally just walk anywhere on his hands.

00:51:03.000 It was so cool to see.

00:51:04.000 Well, I mean, I guess you would build it, it's all about how often you use it, right?

00:51:08.000 You use your legs constantly, you don't use your arms constantly, but if you did, and you built up over years of time, I would imagine, I mean, obviously there's gymnasts.

00:51:16.000 And it can happen quick, too, you know?

00:51:18.000 I mean, I started doing hand, actually, right before I broke my foot, I started, when I was a kid, I used to be able to Pretty much walk endless on my hands.

00:51:25.000 So were you walking on your hands while your foot was broken?

00:51:27.000 No, but that week I was like, you know what?

00:51:29.000 When I was a kid I could walk for minutes at a time on my hands.

00:51:32.000 I'm going to get back into that.

00:51:33.000 So I started training that week.

00:51:34.000 I just started doing handstands every day with my friend's daughter.

00:51:37.000 Before you broke your foot?

00:51:38.000 Right, the week I broke my foot.

00:51:39.000 Wow.

00:51:41.000 And I started, like, quickly I could feel the skill coming back, you know?

00:51:46.000 I mean, I probably should have kept with it because then I could have walked around for a while and kept my foot high.

00:51:49.000 Right.

00:51:50.000 No, but I mean, my point is that, like, pretty quickly your body starts to attune to that thing.

00:51:54.000 Like, I used to do push-ups on the back of my wrists.

00:51:57.000 This buddy of mine who was into some martial arts, he's like, do wrist push-ups.

00:52:01.000 What's the benefit of that?

00:52:02.000 He was just saying to strengthen your wrists.

00:52:03.000 I don't know, he used to do it.

00:52:05.000 But the first time I did it, it really hurt my wrists.

00:52:08.000 And then after about a week of doing it, it didn't hurt my wrists anymore.

00:52:11.000 Your body just kind of adjusts quickly.

00:52:13.000 But I don't know.

00:52:15.000 I think I'm going to start doing handstands and doing that Burmese volleyball thing.

00:52:21.000 How long did it take?

00:52:22.000 I mean, were you on crutches or you in a wheelchair?

00:52:25.000 How long did it take before you could actually walk after you broke your foot?

00:52:30.000 Well, I was walking a little too soon.

00:52:31.000 Oh, were you?

00:52:32.000 Yeah.

00:52:33.000 How long?

00:52:33.000 I didn't displace the bones at any, but I mean, I actually rode a couple of waves like six weeks later.

00:52:40.000 No!

00:52:41.000 Yeah, I probably shouldn't.

00:52:42.000 Why would you do that?

00:52:43.000 Well, because we built this wave up in Fresno.

00:52:47.000 We built a man-made wave.

00:52:49.000 Are those a good way to learn?

00:52:51.000 Yeah, well, yeah, they can be.

00:52:53.000 I mean, it depends on how long the wave lasts and what size wave and how fast and all that kind of thing, but our wave's pretty easy to learn on.

00:53:00.000 But our wave lasts, on the low speed for a beginner, it lasts like over a minute long.

00:53:04.000 That would seem to me that that would be a great way to, like, just get your feet wet.

00:53:09.000 Yeah.

00:53:10.000 No pun intended.

00:53:10.000 You should come up.

00:53:11.000 Is that it right there?

00:53:12.000 Yeah, but that's not the low setting.

00:53:13.000 Kelly's Wave.

00:53:13.000 That's like the...

00:53:14.000 That's the high setting?

00:53:16.000 Yeah, this was...

00:53:17.000 And this was actually...

00:53:18.000 Where is that?

00:53:19.000 Like, is that a...

00:53:19.000 It's like 40 minutes south of Fresno.

00:53:21.000 Outside area?

00:53:21.000 Yeah, it's a big...

00:53:22.000 It used to be a ski lake, so it's long, narrow lake.

00:53:26.000 Oh, wow.

00:53:27.000 That is crazy.

00:53:28.000 Yeah.

00:53:29.000 That's all man-made.

00:53:30.000 This is man-made.

00:53:31.000 That's so weird.

00:53:32.000 This isn't the newest version of it.

00:53:34.000 If you were to Google...

00:53:36.000 If you were to search, like...

00:53:38.000 There was a contest called...

00:53:41.000 We had a couple contests.

00:53:43.000 We had one called the Surf Ranch Pro about six weeks ago.

00:53:47.000 And that's...

00:53:48.000 We changed the wave since then.

00:53:49.000 And we remodeled it.

00:53:51.000 We had to rebuild it.

00:53:52.000 But...

00:53:54.000 Anyways, the reason I surfed was because we were having the first competition at this wave, and I wanted to ride the first wave.

00:54:00.000 I wasn't going to compete.

00:54:03.000 Symbolically, I wanted to ride the wave at the thing.

00:54:05.000 So, how does this work?

00:54:07.000 What's making that wave?

00:54:08.000 This is a foil, a wave foil.

00:54:11.000 In the back, it looks...

00:54:13.000 Sometimes you'll see in the back behind the wave, not there, but to the left side more, you would see this thing.

00:54:18.000 It's basically a super inefficient boat hull, and it pushes through the water, and so it's pushing water instead of planing on the water like you would want a boat to.

00:54:26.000 So it's pushing all the water sideways, and it's just this foil shape.

00:54:30.000 It's almost like the shape of a fin or a wing.

00:54:32.000 Straight up and down in the water.

00:54:34.000 It's that blue thing in the back, and it rides.

00:54:36.000 It's like a roller coaster.

00:54:38.000 And it gets pulled on a pulley system with a 4,000 horsepower engine.

00:54:44.000 There's two of them, actually.

00:54:45.000 Wow.

00:54:46.000 One to go either direction.

00:54:47.000 So you see, now they've got their back to the wave when they're riding.

00:54:49.000 But the first few ways they showed...

00:54:51.000 This is Stephanie Gilmore.

00:54:52.000 She's like six-time world champ. 1.00

00:54:55.000 This is...

00:54:56.000 That's me, obviously.

00:54:58.000 This was just about six weeks ago in September.

00:55:04.000 And so, yeah, I mean, I designed the technology with a scientist and then designed the actual reef bottom or concrete bottom that makes the wave break.

00:55:14.000 Yeah, because this seems way more advanced than the ones that I've seen.

00:55:17.000 Yeah, it's a really advanced wave.

00:55:19.000 It's actually longer than it needs to be also because at a fast speed, the wave's still like 45 seconds and your legs are fried.

00:55:25.000 This is Felipe Toledo, who's number two in the world right now.

00:55:28.000 He's unbelievable.

00:55:29.000 That's crazy.

00:55:30.000 Super fast, great surfer.

00:55:32.000 Where's he from?

00:55:33.000 Brazil.

00:55:34.000 A lot of surfers come from Brazil?

00:55:36.000 All the new good guys are from Brazil.

00:55:39.000 It's like the fight game, you know?

00:55:41.000 Wow.

00:55:41.000 This is Gabriel Medina.

00:55:42.000 That guy's incredible.

00:55:44.000 He's unbelievable.

00:55:45.000 Whoa! 1.00

00:55:46.000 What a fucking balance! 1.00

00:55:48.000 That's crazy! 1.00

00:55:48.000 That's called a shove it, yeah. 1.00

00:55:51.000 And I think that was a corrupt flip he did.

00:55:55.000 Super high-tech moves, but...

00:55:58.000 Gabriel Medina is one-time world champ from a few years ago, but I thought he was just going to win year after year after year after his first title.

00:56:06.000 I don't know if he got complacent or what happened.

00:56:09.000 He and I aren't super close.

00:56:10.000 How do they judge?

00:56:13.000 It's subjective.

00:56:15.000 That's probably the tough thing for our sport, but gymnastics is subjective.

00:56:20.000 Ice skating, that kind of thing.

00:56:22.000 It's not too dissimilar to that.

00:56:26.000 You know, the judges are all good surfers, relatively good surfers, maybe not ex-pros, but, you know, guys who know what is possible on a wave.

00:56:35.000 And it's pretty easy for them to compare apples to oranges, a different person's skills over the other one.

00:56:42.000 But it would be interesting in UFC, you know, if you had judges subjectively judging.

00:56:47.000 Not necessarily like, who won the round or looking at strike counts, but like, whose style did I like?

00:56:51.000 How fast and how much power did he have?

00:56:53.000 How did he link his, you know, strikes together?

00:56:57.000 There's definitely a subjective element to it, but unfortunately, unlike surfing, the UFC is not, the judges, it's not comprised of former fighters or people that really know a lot about martial arts.

00:57:07.000 Which is...

00:57:09.000 Wrong.

00:57:10.000 It's awful.

00:57:10.000 Totally wrong.

00:57:10.000 It's awful.

00:57:11.000 I mean, some surfers really believe that the judges should just be ex-pros that were tour-level guys that make those calls.

00:57:19.000 Seems like there's enough of those guys out there.

00:57:21.000 There are.

00:57:21.000 There may be.

00:57:22.000 But, you know, getting back to why, that kind of leads me back to, like, you asked why guys didn't have the longevity.

00:57:28.000 Yeah.

00:57:28.000 Like, people get married, have kids, have a life back home, all that kind of stuff.

00:57:34.000 So, you know, I was sort of, I went not quite the traditional route with all that stuff.

00:57:40.000 So I had a lot more time, focus, dedication into what I was doing.

00:57:44.000 And I wanted to do it for a long time because I just love surfing.

00:57:47.000 I mean, if I had my druthers every day, I'm going to wake up and go ride waves.

00:57:51.000 Now, is there a point system that they score on?

00:57:54.000 Yep, out of 10. Out of 10. So it's like boxing.

00:57:57.000 Not everybody gets a 9 if they lose that battle, you know.

00:58:01.000 10 is the max.

00:58:03.000 10 is max, but I mean more average you're seeing 3s and 4s than you are 8s and 9s.

00:58:08.000 Because, you know, it's just a certain wave and a certain skill set gets you up to that excellent category.

00:58:14.000 So we consider 8 and up excellent.

00:58:17.000 And, you know, sort of 6-5 to 8 is like really good.

00:58:22.000 And is there a lot of debate about whether or not a 9 is accurate for someone's ride?

00:58:30.000 Yeah.

00:58:31.000 Yeah, there is.

00:58:32.000 Well, if it's early, there's a lot to it.

00:58:36.000 You know, like if it's early in a heat...

00:58:38.000 And a guy gets a 9 or a girl gets a 9 and then you think that there's a lot more that could have been done either on that day in those types of waves or on that wave specifically.

00:58:48.000 Like occasionally you see somebody get a 10. Perfect ride as good as you can possibly do.

00:58:52.000 It's the ultimate you should remember that wave forever kind of thing, you know?

00:58:55.000 It's like the perfect knockout.

00:58:58.000 But then they'll kick off the wave when there's more to ride or they'll fall and they still get a 10. So sometimes you'll see somebody get a really good score and you know a lot more could have been done.

00:59:08.000 They could have been deeper in that tube.

00:59:09.000 They could have been higher in that air.

00:59:11.000 They could have rotated more in the air.

00:59:13.000 They could have ridden out smoother.

00:59:16.000 They could have linked a couple different, more difficult turns together.

00:59:20.000 Added more variety.

00:59:21.000 So you have to kind of like, if anything, scale down, I think, as a judge, as opposed to scale up.

00:59:27.000 Because then you, if you're surfing in really great waves, which makes it easier to get a good score, so like Chopu and Tahiti.

00:59:34.000 If you pull up Tahiti, Chopu, T-E-A-H-U-P-O-O, contest 2014. So we had really unbelievable waves in this contest.

00:59:51.000 Almost every wave looked like it could be a 10. Then it comes down to, like, how late did you drop in?

00:59:55.000 How critical was it?

00:59:56.000 How deep were you?

00:59:57.000 How did you maximize your time in there by slowing your speed?

01:00:01.000 How much risk did you take?

01:00:02.000 So even though the wave only lasts about five seconds, there's a whole lot that can be condensed into that five seconds.

01:00:08.000 And did you wait for one of the biggest waves?

01:00:10.000 Or did you take a smaller wave and go, you know, a little bit easier?

01:00:15.000 What is it like when one of those giant tubes crashes down on top of you?

01:00:20.000 Yeah, so this is Gabe Medina.

01:00:22.000 He ended up winning the contest.

01:00:24.000 It's not super fun when you eat it.

01:00:27.000 Yeah, I could imagine.

01:00:28.000 It's horrific.

01:00:29.000 I mean, you've probably talked to Shane.

01:00:30.000 That's me, actually.

01:00:31.000 Yeah, I've talked to Shane about it.

01:00:32.000 Yeah, and I mean, look, Shane, no one's more of an authority than Shane is.

01:00:38.000 Maybe not in this super hollow crazy stuff.

01:00:40.000 I mean, whatever.

01:00:40.000 Shane rides everything.

01:00:41.000 But the biggest waves in the world, Shane's the authority.

01:00:44.000 Like, he's had wipeouts that...

01:00:46.000 He came close to dying.

01:00:47.000 He probably talked about the vest he created because of that.

01:00:50.000 He almost drowned.

01:00:51.000 He created a vest that you pull a CO2 cartridge and it blasts, you know, this big bladder and lifts you to the surface.

01:00:56.000 Even if you get knocked out or taken in water, somebody's going to find you and probably save you.

01:01:02.000 But yeah, this is...

01:01:03.000 That's me there.

01:01:05.000 So I didn't make that, but...

01:01:06.000 That wasn't even a big one.

01:01:08.000 For that day, that was a small wave. 0.99

01:01:10.000 It's fucking huge, though. 0.99

01:01:11.000 When that's coming down on you. 0.99

01:01:12.000 But see where I'm at?

01:01:13.000 I'm kind of in blue water.

01:01:14.000 So I was able to dive and kind of get under it and not get sucked back over.

01:01:18.000 So there's a little bit of a skill that goes with wiping out.

01:01:20.000 So you understand that energy.

01:01:22.000 It's like a tornado or a hurricane.

01:01:25.000 The eye wall is the worst, but if you're in the center, you're fine.

01:01:29.000 I've always wondered, could you follow a hurricane inside the center of the eye?

01:01:33.000 Could you just stay with it and be okay?

01:01:35.000 I bet you could if you moved at a really slow speed, right?

01:01:37.000 They don't move that fast.

01:01:38.000 They only move about 10 to 20 miles an hour.

01:01:40.000 Right.

01:01:40.000 Sometimes less.

01:01:41.000 Can a plane go that slow?

01:01:43.000 No, but maybe you could stay in your car and kind of like, you know, find a road.

01:01:47.000 If you had a really good GPS system, do not go right.

01:01:51.000 Do not go left.

01:01:52.000 No, no, no.

01:01:52.000 Don't go northwest.

01:01:53.000 Go northeast.

01:01:54.000 Yeah.

01:01:55.000 Okay, you're going to have to go off-road, or you'll die.

01:01:58.000 But so that energy, all that energy is in where the lip...

01:02:00.000 If you're in the center of that, you're pretty safe.

01:02:03.000 But as soon as you get sucked right into the wall of that, and you get pitched in the lip, that's when the lip spreads the water that it hits, and it sends you right down to the reef.

01:02:11.000 Especially in a place like this, where it's...

01:02:13.000 When you see a wave that's real hollow, it's generally a lot shallower than it is high.

01:02:18.000 So the wave will be 15 feet and the water might only be 5 or 6 feet deep.

01:02:22.000 So think of all that energy.

01:02:25.000 Most of it's going to hit the reef at some point.

01:02:28.000 You want to try to kind of fall where that lip's landing and then escape under it into blue water.

01:02:35.000 What do you do if you know you're going to hit a reef?

01:02:37.000 You kind of just brace.

01:02:38.000 You don't want to hit your head.

01:02:41.000 For the most part, you can tell up and down.

01:02:43.000 I mean, sometimes you lose your equilibrium a little bit underwater, but for the most part, you can tell what is up and down, so you can feel it coming.

01:02:50.000 I mean, I'm going to put my arms there before I take it on my head.

01:02:53.000 Right, of course.

01:02:53.000 And so I'm trying to be like a cat.

01:02:56.000 When I hit, I want to be able to...

01:02:57.000 I'll break my hands or feet or whatever.

01:02:59.000 You know, I'm not worried about that.

01:03:00.000 I don't want to get knocked out.

01:03:01.000 Right, right, right.

01:03:02.000 So I think everyone's default is to try to cover your head.

01:03:08.000 You know, if you hit anywhere else, you're kind of okay.

01:03:10.000 You just don't want to hit your head.

01:03:11.000 And when the waves come crashing down on you, do you lose your sense of up and down?

01:03:16.000 You can, yeah.

01:03:17.000 But...

01:03:18.000 You know, you also have your board connected from the leash, and that's usually, that's generally going to pull up.

01:03:24.000 So you kind of know. 0.96

01:03:27.000 If you don't feel your board pulling, you're kind of worried, like, shit, my board might hit me, might spear me underwater, you know? 0.99

01:03:33.000 Right. 0.99

01:03:33.000 You can occasionally get speared in the face with your board or fin or something. 0.99

01:03:37.000 That's kind of spooky.

01:03:38.000 I was surfing with a guy who's like a big brother to me.

01:03:42.000 I used to travel with Tom Carroll.

01:03:43.000 He's a two-time world champion.

01:03:44.000 We were surfing Tahiti one time together.

01:03:45.000 And he used to wear a helmet.

01:03:47.000 Most people don't wear a helmet, but Tom used to wear a helmet.

01:03:50.000 He was really used to it.

01:03:52.000 But having something, you know, an extra, say, inch around your head or half inch, it's like it changes your judgment a little, so you've got to be used to it.

01:03:59.000 I always felt like it was weird.

01:04:01.000 It's weird for sparring, too.

01:04:02.000 Yeah. 0.76

01:04:02.000 It fucks with your peripheral vision. 0.76

01:04:04.000 Yeah. 0.94

01:04:05.000 Yeah, so it would mess with me when I tried to wear them.

01:04:07.000 And that extra weight and, like, when we're trying to, on a critical wave, we're trying to pull in the barrel, we are dealing with, you know, percentages of inches, like, just tucking your head under that lip.

01:04:18.000 And so you've got to kind of be really aware of your range and your ability to, like, tuck your head at certain places.

01:04:25.000 And I was never comfortable with it, but I was surfing with Tom, and he wiped out, and his board speared him in the ear.

01:04:30.000 And it broke the helmet and broke his eardrum.

01:04:34.000 Jesus Christ.

01:04:35.000 So we were just wondering, like, what the hell would have happened if he didn't have his helmet on?

01:04:38.000 You know, like, probably would have killed him.

01:04:41.000 You know, would have definitely knocked him out.

01:04:43.000 And we didn't have a jet ski with us that day or anything.

01:04:45.000 We were, you know, 500 yards or more off the beach, a half mile off the beach somewhere.

01:04:50.000 At this wreath.

01:04:51.000 When you blow out your eardrum like that, do you have to get it surgically repaired?

01:04:54.000 No, I don't think so.

01:04:56.000 I think I've never busted my eardrum.

01:04:58.000 I almost busted my eardrum like six weeks ago in Hawaii just free diving.

01:05:02.000 I felt it like a pinhole.

01:05:04.000 I could feel it like going and I kind of got dizzy and I just came up and stopped diving.

01:05:09.000 But there was a guy...

01:05:13.000 I got a buddy named Greg Long.

01:05:15.000 He has drowned and he's been attacked by a shark.

01:05:18.000 Not too many people can say those things.

01:05:19.000 Wow.

01:05:20.000 And he's alive.

01:05:21.000 How did he get saved when he drowned?

01:05:24.000 That's a really crazy story, but I'll talk about it in one sec.

01:05:27.000 But he did break his eardrum at Mavericks up in Northern California.

01:05:31.000 And he just, you just flounder.

01:05:34.000 You don't know, you think you're swimming one direction, it's like you have... 0.99

01:05:37.000 The equilibrium's fucked. 0.88

01:05:38.000 Yeah, it's like your boat's turning and you don't know which, there's no rudder, you know? 0.99

01:05:41.000 And you don't know what's up and down, and you think you're swimming up and you're going sideways, and it's really dangerous.

01:05:47.000 There was a guy in Hawaii a couple years ago that drowned surfing an outer reef.

01:05:52.000 He and a friend of mine caught a wave and this guy wiped out.

01:05:55.000 He didn't have, all he had on was surf trunks.

01:05:58.000 And generally we'll wear like even a wetsuit, which is just thin but it keeps you warm.

01:06:03.000 And even that's enough flotation to where if you got knocked out you'd probably come to the surface.

01:06:08.000 So this guy wiped out, his leash broke.

01:06:12.000 So he lost his board.

01:06:13.000 And then we think, you know, the guys who were out there think that he popped his eardrum because they said they saw him hit the surface and start, like, his feet were coming up and his hand was coming up.

01:06:22.000 And, you know, he was kind of just floundering around.

01:06:24.000 And then the next wave hit and they never saw him again.

01:06:27.000 But he was only in surf trunk, so they didn't ever find the body because he didn't float up.

01:06:32.000 But if he just had even just a wetsuit, just some neoprene.

01:06:34.000 They never found the body.

01:06:35.000 Didn't find him.

01:06:36.000 The waves were huge.

01:06:37.000 It was, you know, it was like 40, 50 foot, whatever.

01:06:39.000 But it was really unfortunate.

01:06:42.000 It was a real...

01:06:42.000 Those things are really, like, sobering in the surf community because we all know each other.

01:06:48.000 And, you know, ultimately you're doing this for fun.

01:06:52.000 And, you know, it's a heavy thing.

01:06:56.000 It's crazy that your eardrum affects you that much.

01:06:59.000 Yeah.

01:06:59.000 I mean, I've seen people that have inner ear infections, and they'll get dizzy walking, and they just don't know what they're doing.

01:07:05.000 While they're one foot in front of the other, they want to fall sideways.

01:07:08.000 It's very strange.

01:07:10.000 Yeah.

01:07:11.000 Well, so Greg Long, he drowned actually at a place called Cortez Bank, which is about 120 miles off the coast of Dana Point.

01:07:18.000 It's basically the top of a mountain on an island that never hit the surface.

01:07:23.000 And it was discovered when I think it was a nuclear ship actually grounded itself on that reef back, I don't know, 30 years ago or something and caused tens of millions of dollars of damage to the Navy ship.

01:07:38.000 And yeah, I don't know if they had sounded the bottom by then.

01:07:41.000 They must not have known it was there.

01:07:43.000 But anyways, this wave breaks when it's really big.

01:07:47.000 And Shane's been out there.

01:07:49.000 Shane was actually, I think Shane was out there this day.

01:07:53.000 Not positive, but I'm pretty sure Shane was out during this session.

01:07:56.000 There's about 15 guys out, a dozen guys out, and Greg took off on a wave, and somebody was in front of him on the wave, which kind of changed his angle a little bit.

01:08:07.000 I don't think he would have made the wave anyhow, but it just put him in a little bit of a precarious situation.

01:08:13.000 And he ate it and was down a long time.

01:08:15.000 This wave has just so much energy in it because there's nothing between where the wave started and this break.

01:08:22.000 Like, it's thousands and thousands of feet deep that, you know, over the whole Pacific.

01:08:26.000 So there's no continental shelf to slow the wave down.

01:08:29.000 You know, if you can imagine the East Coast, We have small waves.

01:08:33.000 A big part of that is because most of the storms go west to east and they don't come towards us.

01:08:39.000 But even on a hurricane, our surf's not that big because we have a continental shelf that goes...

01:08:44.000 You can go out 20 miles and it's 70 feet deep some places.

01:08:47.000 So the swells just drag.

01:08:49.000 In the Pacific, they don't drag.

01:08:51.000 There's just nothing to get in the way.

01:08:53.000 So these swells are going 35 miles an hour when they hit.

01:08:56.000 So it's a lot faster than a normal wave.

01:08:58.000 So there's all this energy in the wave.

01:09:00.000 And so when Greg went down on this wave, it was probably a 40-foot face or whatever, 50-foot face.

01:09:05.000 He was underwater, and he's really calm.

01:09:07.000 He's probably as ready for anybody in big surf.

01:09:11.000 He's totally prepared.

01:09:12.000 He's done all the CPR and breathing courses and everything.

01:09:15.000 And he was real calm, and he said he pulled his vest, and it didn't work.

01:09:19.000 And then he pulled another one and it didn't work.

01:09:22.000 And he pulled it a third time and it didn't work. 1.00

01:09:24.000 And so he was like, oh, fuck. 1.00

01:09:26.000 I'm screwed. 1.00

01:09:27.000 You know, that kind of thing. 0.93

01:09:28.000 But at that point, when you start to pull it, you're already in a little bit of a...

01:09:32.000 Some guys pull it right away just to be safe on a big wave.

01:09:36.000 But some guys kind of wait and go, I'll see if I'm able to pull this one off and I'll save my little canister.

01:09:41.000 Because you only have, like...

01:09:43.000 Some of the vests have two canisters.

01:09:45.000 Some have four.

01:09:46.000 So you don't want to have to go change your canisters over.

01:09:49.000 So if you think you're going to make that, you're going to get back to the surface, or you're okay, you can handle it, and you've got a good breath, you're like, I'll just, I won't pull it.

01:09:56.000 But he pulled three times, and then he blacked out.

01:09:59.000 And luckily they had a really good water safety crew.

01:10:05.000 I don't know that it was his brother that saved him, but a couple of guys went and grabbed, dove in and pulled him up by the leash.

01:10:11.000 Luckily, he was to the leash because he wasn't floating because he didn't have the CO2. He had taken a lot of water.

01:10:19.000 They had to airlift him off the boat in big seas that night after dark and got him back to the mainland.

01:10:26.000 So did they do CPR on him?

01:10:28.000 They did CPR, yeah.

01:10:29.000 And then did he come back to consciousness?

01:10:31.000 Came back to consciousness.

01:10:32.000 And then they airlifted him. 0.99

01:10:33.000 So he was awake while they airlifted him, but he was fucked up. 0.96

01:10:36.000 Yeah, but guys can have secondary drowning where you still have water in the lungs and you're not aware of the symptoms or whatever. 0.93

01:10:41.000 How do you get it out?

01:10:43.000 Do they pump it out?

01:10:45.000 You can't just hang by your ankles or anything?

01:10:47.000 Yeah, I think they pump it out.

01:10:48.000 I was with a buddy in Australia a year and a half ago and he almost drowned and got knocked out.

01:10:53.000 His board hit him in the chin and knocked him out cold.

01:10:59.000 I was sitting out the back waiting for a wave and I heard another friend screaming.

01:11:04.000 Luckily the waves kind of stopped and they were able to get to him, pull him up on a jet ski.

01:11:10.000 And he had taken in some water and he's puking and coughing and all this stuff.

01:11:14.000 And I came up from behind and I didn't see his neck.

01:11:19.000 And I heard one of the guys say, oh, his board hit him in the neck and in the throat.

01:11:24.000 And so I was expecting this artery to be cut or the throat to be open.

01:11:29.000 I was like, okay, I don't want to look yet.

01:11:31.000 Because I was behind him.

01:11:32.000 I didn't want to go around him and try to look.

01:11:34.000 I'm like, okay, let's get him into the beach.

01:11:36.000 Luckily, we had a jet ski because we were about a mile offshore.

01:11:39.000 And I just, I held on the jet ski and kind of, I just squeezed on, we have a sled on the back of the jet ski, like a body, big giant body board with handles.

01:11:48.000 So I just kind of straddled him.

01:11:49.000 My other friend rode the ski all the way up on the beach.

01:11:52.000 And then I thought, okay, when we get to the beach, I'm going to have to see, this is going to be gory.

01:11:56.000 But luckily he wasn't opened up.

01:11:57.000 He just had a huge hematoma here on his neck and he, it didn't slice him.

01:12:02.000 It just like contusion, like a blunt force.

01:12:05.000 That's very lucky.

01:12:06.000 Yeah, but he spent two or three days in the hospital because they were worried about secondary drowning, which I don't exactly know what secondary drowning means, but I guess when you have water, salt water in your lungs, it can, I don't know, maybe from the way you lay down or, I don't know.

01:12:19.000 I should probably be super schooled in this stuff.

01:12:21.000 That's your living, right?

01:12:22.000 But, I mean, yeah. 1.00

01:12:25.000 You must see a lot of crazy shit in the water. 0.99

01:12:28.000 I've seen some crazy stuff, yeah. 0.99

01:12:31.000 Wildlife.

01:12:32.000 I mean, you must see an amazing amount of fish.

01:12:36.000 The shark topic's super...

01:12:38.000 It never ends, you know?

01:12:39.000 I mean, anyone in the world I meet is like, oh, I'm scared of sharks.

01:12:43.000 Tell me about sharks.

01:12:44.000 And then that story doesn't ever end.

01:12:46.000 That story, like, it's a primal fear.

01:12:48.000 Like, getting eaten by a monster, you know?

01:12:51.000 Well, you feel so vulnerable in the water.

01:12:53.000 I mean, maybe you feel less vulnerable because you're so comfortable with it and you have a board and you move so quick with the board.

01:12:59.000 No, you are totally vulnerable if a great white wants you.

01:13:02.000 Oh, yeah.

01:13:03.000 Completely.

01:13:04.000 If a shark over...

01:13:05.000 I mean, even if a six-foot shark wants you.

01:13:08.000 But that's the misconception.

01:13:11.000 Everyone thinks, oh, shark!

01:13:14.000 Death. 0.98

01:13:15.000 You know, Jaws just fucked everybody up. 0.87

01:13:17.000 You know, I was seven or something when Jaws... 0.76

01:13:20.000 I was six, I think, when Jaws came out.

01:13:22.000 And I watched it.

01:13:23.000 You know, I watched freaking Poltergeist when I was like 10. You know, my parents let me watch everything.

01:13:27.000 Mine too.

01:13:28.000 Yeah.

01:13:30.000 Maybe that's why I always thought there was some boogeyman in the closet, you know, or whatever.

01:13:34.000 Keeps you safe.

01:13:35.000 Yeah, and keeps you prepared.

01:13:37.000 Maybe that's why I started training with the dragon, you know.

01:13:42.000 So, Jaws, I wouldn't even go in the deep end of a pool.

01:13:45.000 I was so freaked out that I was like, there's going to be a shark at the deep end somewhere.

01:13:49.000 And, you know, I would only stay in the shallow end for a couple of years when I was like five or six, you know?

01:13:55.000 But, yeah, so anyway, so Greg got to the hospital.

01:13:58.000 He was all right.

01:14:00.000 But there's about a year and a half ago, a friend of ours, who's a great big wave guy, like, this guy's completely, totally fearless.

01:14:10.000 He drowned in Fiji.

01:14:12.000 And Greg, who I talked about at Cortez, Greg actually did CPR and brought him back.

01:14:18.000 Wow.

01:14:19.000 And, you know, the big wave guys are a tight, it's a tight bond of camaraderie with these guys because, I mean, yeah, everyone wants that big wave.

01:14:28.000 They want that biggest wave.

01:14:29.000 They want something they've never had, but they want to, they're all really close friends.

01:14:32.000 Like, they know that there's life and death having each other's backs.

01:14:36.000 Does pretty much everyone know CPR? Yeah, most everybody does.

01:14:39.000 There's courses that the Big Wave guys run every year.

01:14:42.000 They put these courses together a couple times a year, specifically to train for the situations that we could be in.

01:14:49.000 And yeah, so it's really great because they bring in a lot of, you know, breath-hold, deep, free-diving people and the best CPR and lifeguard guys in the world.

01:14:59.000 A lot of the best lifeguard guys in the world are already surfers anyway, on the North Shore, around Oahu and Maui.

01:15:08.000 I mean, those are the guys you want to have your back when they're in the surf zone.

01:15:12.000 Some guy in the Coast Guard is probably not going to be able to do the same.

01:15:15.000 Like, they might help your boat, but they're not...

01:15:18.000 And I'm not trying to put Coast Guard guys down at all in any way.

01:15:21.000 I'm just saying, like, these guys train specifically in the whitewater, in big surf.

01:15:26.000 You know, they train the SEAL Team 6 guys in Hawaii every year.

01:15:28.000 So, you know, for heavy situations.

01:15:31.000 So how often do you actually see sharks?

01:15:35.000 It depends where you're at.

01:15:36.000 In Florida, I see sharks almost daily.

01:15:39.000 Really?

01:15:39.000 Yeah.

01:15:39.000 Do you live in Florida?

01:15:40.000 I'm from Florida.

01:15:41.000 I still go back there.

01:15:42.000 And most days you surf, in certain places, you'll see a lot of sharks.

01:15:46.000 Do you live in Hawaii?

01:15:47.000 I live here.

01:15:48.000 I live in Hawaii.

01:15:49.000 I live in Australia. 1.00

01:15:51.000 Oh, damn, you're intercontinental. 1.00

01:15:52.000 I'm a nomad. 1.00

01:15:54.000 I'm like a modern nomad, you know?

01:15:56.000 Do you keep apartments in different places?

01:15:58.000 Yeah.

01:15:59.000 So when I first started making money, I thought it would be cool to have a little place in each place I go that I kind of base out of so I can be feeling like home.

01:16:06.000 Right.

01:16:07.000 On the roads, that's another thing.

01:16:09.000 I wanted to make the world my home when I was a kid.

01:16:13.000 I just loved traveling.

01:16:15.000 I loved meeting people everywhere.

01:16:16.000 I loved having these sort of...

01:16:19.000 Household feeling, you know, families everywhere and stuff.

01:16:22.000 So in Australia, I bought a place in Sydney when I was 20 with a friend.

01:16:28.000 You know, I just bought this real humble two-bedroom, tiny little two-bedroom on the beach, like just back from the beach.

01:16:34.000 My old roommate and I talk about it now.

01:16:36.000 We're like, why didn't we buy that whole freaking apartment block, you know?

01:16:39.000 Because it was so cheap back then.

01:16:40.000 It was like $150,000 per apartment.

01:16:43.000 Australian, which was like $100,000 U.S. at the time.

01:16:46.000 So I bought, I owned half of that for about 15 years and then I sold that and I bought another place up near on the Gold Coast in Australia. 1.00

01:16:54.000 Well, Australia has a lot of dangerous shit, right? 1.00

01:16:57.000 They have every dangerous shit, you know. 1.00

01:16:58.000 Saltwater crocodiles, box jellyfish. 1.00

01:17:01.000 Yeah, they box jellyfish, saltwater crocs, lots of great whites.

01:17:05.000 Do you see saltwater crocs while you're surfing?

01:17:07.000 No.

01:17:07.000 Well, I have.

01:17:08.000 Yeah, I have in Costa Rica.

01:17:10.000 Dude, that's just scary. 1.00

01:17:11.000 Fuck those things. 1.00

01:17:12.000 You know, people talk about sharks. 1.00

01:17:14.000 Sharks don't hunt you. 0.87

01:17:15.000 They might bite you if they see you, you know?

01:17:17.000 But a saltwater croc, that thing is watching you.

01:17:22.000 It can feel you walking, and it knows from that vibration how close you are to the water's edge.

01:17:27.000 It knows exactly.

01:17:28.000 It can pinpoint.

01:17:29.000 It can pinpoint to the water's edge where you're at.

01:17:32.000 Yeah, that noise.

01:17:33.000 My friend Adam Greentree lives in Australia, and They're not all over Australia.

01:17:38.000 They're everywhere.

01:17:39.000 No, no.

01:17:39.000 They're under your house.

01:17:40.000 No, no.

01:17:40.000 They're waiting for you at the supermarket.

01:17:42.000 But they do keep track.

01:17:44.000 I know that the closest one to the Gold Coast, where I'm from, is still like 300 miles north or something, like 200, whatever.

01:17:51.000 The closest saltwater croc?

01:17:52.000 Yeah.

01:17:52.000 Oh, okay.

01:17:53.000 They keep a track.

01:17:55.000 They're pretty vigilant about where they are, what rivers they would be.

01:17:59.000 You have to.

01:17:59.000 Because they've got to warn people, like, don't swim here.

01:18:01.000 Some people don't listen, they're stupid, and they die. 1.00

01:18:04.000 But a croc's not going to give you an exploratory bite like a great white might and leave you. 1.00

01:18:09.000 No, they're going to snatch you.

01:18:10.000 And they're not going to get the surfboard in the way from the underbite.

01:18:16.000 There was a horrible story that I read.

01:18:17.000 I think it was in National Geographic about these two people that were kayaking in a river in Africa.

01:18:22.000 The third guy went with him.

01:18:25.000 This might be a different story.

01:18:27.000 I don't know.

01:18:27.000 What story did you hear?

01:18:29.000 This one was like, these two guys were going to do a first descent down this thing, and they were contacting another guy who had done that river, an American guy.

01:18:36.000 And the American guy was like, I can't miss this descent. 0.96

01:18:38.000 I got to do this.

01:18:39.000 I got to do that whole river.

01:18:41.000 And then the three of them got into this zone where there was just crocks everywhere, and the river was real slow and wide. 0.97

01:18:47.000 And as soon as they got there, all the crocs came off the riverbank, and they were like, oh shit, there's like tons of them.

01:18:53.000 And this guy's theory was to take his helmet and throw it off to the side so it would be like movement and distract them, and they'd attack that and he'd paddle up to the shore.

01:19:01.000 And all three of them got together, and the American guy was on the right side, and the other two guys were together, and they were so close, the guy in the middle couldn't really paddle.

01:19:09.000 He was just kind of like, you know, trying to move along with them.

01:19:12.000 And so they figured the bigger we are, the bigger we look and more intimidating, like maybe we'll be okay.

01:19:18.000 15, 18 foot croc comes up, grabs the guy, takes him out of his, pulls him out of his kayak, disappears, they never see him again.

01:19:24.000 His backpack floats up.

01:19:26.000 And then as stuff's floating downstream, the other two guys get out of the water, and I think I'm telling this story pretty good because I read it like five times online, too.

01:19:35.000 And they got out of the water, and then there was a little village just down, and there was a little bridge over, and there were some boats, and the boats were all dry docked.

01:19:44.000 And they went down, and in broken English, there was one person that could talk to him or whatever, and they said, you know, our boats are not in the water because there's too many crocs here. 1.00

01:19:51.000 Like, we know not to go in the water.

01:19:53.000 Because they were like, we need a boat.

01:19:55.000 We've got to find his body.

01:19:56.000 We've got to try and save him, you know?

01:19:57.000 And then they went to this bridge and watched this stuff, like, float by.

01:20:01.000 That's the same story.

01:20:02.000 Yeah.

01:20:02.000 And the guy wasn't supposed to be on the trip.

01:20:04.000 And it was about the kayak flipping and then pulling his body out under the kayak.

01:20:10.000 Yeah.

01:20:12.000 Brutal. 0.96

01:20:13.000 They're monsters.

01:20:14.000 There's a show called Uncharted.

01:20:16.000 They really are.

01:20:17.000 There's a show called Uncharted.

01:20:19.000 You've seen that show?

01:20:20.000 Yeah.

01:20:21.000 My friend Jim Shockey is...

01:20:23.000 Florida. 0.99

01:20:23.000 Yeah, that's a 15-foot fucking alligator they found in Florida strolling across the golf course. 0.99

01:20:29.000 And the next day they found a giant snake, a giant rattlesnake strolling across the golf course. 0.99

01:20:33.000 Look at the size of that thing.

01:20:35.000 I fed, you know, I was friends with Steve Irwin, so I used to go to...

01:20:38.000 God, look at the size of that thing!

01:20:40.000 It's massive.

01:20:40.000 It's on a golf course!

01:20:42.000 Here's the thing.

01:20:44.000 I think there's a misconception about the Crocs, and they actually talked about this, because I used to be friends with Steve Irwin before he passed away.

01:20:54.000 He actually had me hand feed a 13-foot croc.

01:20:57.000 Scariest thing I've ever done in my life.

01:20:58.000 Why?

01:20:59.000 Terrified.

01:21:00.000 Why would you do that?

01:21:01.000 I don't know.

01:21:02.000 He told me, you know, you gotta feed a croc. 1.00

01:21:05.000 Fuck that. 1.00

01:21:06.000 He's like, Kelly, you're ready, mate. 1.00

01:21:08.000 You gotta feed a croc. 0.84

01:21:09.000 You gotta feed aggro. 1.00

01:21:10.000 So, for two nights...

01:21:12.000 Australia's so crazy.

01:21:13.000 For two nights, I had nightmares. 0.64

01:21:15.000 What's this guy doing?

01:21:16.000 What's this guy doing?

01:21:17.000 I told you I saw this a few weeks ago.

01:21:18.000 What's this guy doing?

01:21:19.000 He's feeding them?

01:21:20.000 Why is he doing that?

01:21:21.000 Look at the heads of these things! 0.97

01:21:23.000 Look at their heads!

01:21:27.000 Good lord!

01:21:28.000 And these are wild crocs.

01:21:29.000 Yeah.

01:21:30.000 Well, they look pretty tame.

01:21:31.000 Like, they know this guy's gonna feed them something.

01:21:33.000 They know something's in that bag. 0.99

01:21:34.000 What the fuck ever! 1.00

01:21:35.000 Man, look at the heads on these things! 0.99

01:21:37.000 But see, this is like the conception, the concept we have about these animals, right?

01:21:43.000 We just think that they're just killers and whatever.

01:21:45.000 Do you ever see the guy in Limon, Costa Rica, who had a pet 15-foot croc?

01:21:49.000 Yeah, I did see that. 1.00

01:21:50.000 That guy's an asshole. 1.00

01:21:53.000 This is crazy. 1.00

01:21:54.000 It's a crazy animal, man.

01:21:55.000 Yeah.

01:21:56.000 Crocs freak me out. 1.00

01:21:57.000 But I kind of mess...

01:21:59.000 When I'm playing golf, I play a lot of golf.

01:22:01.000 When I'm in Florida, I always mess with the gators. 0.51

01:22:03.000 I'll grab them by the tail. 0.99

01:22:05.000 What?

01:22:05.000 Yeah.

01:22:06.000 Why?

01:22:08.000 It's kind of...

01:22:08.000 I don't know.

01:22:09.000 It's just like...

01:22:09.000 It's fun until you get your arm bit off, too.

01:22:12.000 Yeah, I guess.

01:22:13.000 But...

01:22:13.000 This guy's not even worried.

01:22:15.000 He doesn't even need to backstep, you know?

01:22:16.000 Well, those are smaller.

01:22:18.000 Yeah, but that thing's still going to rip your arm off if it death rolls. 1.00

01:22:21.000 But that's so small in comparison to those other ones.

01:22:24.000 I was fishing in Australia in this freshwater river, but it goes down to the ocean, so saltwater crocs come up it.

01:22:33.000 To a certain point, there's like this dam and they don't go past that.

01:22:36.000 So you know down here, up here is all the fresh water, down here is fresh and salt water.

01:22:41.000 And we saw a few 15-foot crocs this day.

01:22:44.000 And we're in a boat that was six feet wide and about 18 feet long, 15, 18 feet long.

01:22:49.000 And, you know, the guy taking us, he said, you know, we don't have a problem in this boat. 0.99

01:22:54.000 But, you know, if you fell out of the boat, there's a fucking problem. 0.95

01:22:57.000 But he was telling us a story one day how he's fishing with these guys. 0.99

01:23:00.000 And this one guy standing up in the boat fishing.

01:23:02.000 He falls out of it.

01:23:03.000 And the guy was about 250 pounds or something.

01:23:05.000 Like a big dude.

01:23:06.000 Like maybe 300 pounds.

01:23:07.000 He was like a big overweight guy.

01:23:09.000 And he fell out of the boat.

01:23:10.000 And the guy said the guy was in the water for about two minutes.

01:23:12.000 And he was just like, any second, this guy is dead.

01:23:16.000 He's like, there's nothing I can do.

01:23:18.000 And he said it was all they could do to get them from the front of the boat.

01:23:22.000 He was trying to come up the side, and he couldn't, and he was panicking.

01:23:25.000 Oh, Jesus Christ.

01:23:26.000 You know when people go into panic mode, like when people are drowning and they're panicking, they say, you've got to punch him in the face and try to knock him out and call him down.

01:23:32.000 And they couldn't punch this guy.

01:23:34.000 They were trying to get him to calm down, and they had to get him all the way to the back of the boat because they had to get him up the transom.

01:23:40.000 And they said from there they could get leverage and lift him, and it wouldn't flip the boat or whatever.

01:23:44.000 But he said, this guy was in the water for a couple minutes, and he's like, at any time, there's a crock that's big enough to eat you within sight of us here at all times.

01:23:52.000 But this guy said that, he said that the biggest, you know, I said, what's the biggest one you've ever seen?

01:23:56.000 Because we've seen 15-foot Crocs like every 20 minutes, every half an hour. 0.99

01:24:00.000 What the fuck? 0.99

01:24:02.000 Yeah, no. 1.00

01:24:03.000 Giant freaking Crocs. 0.98

01:24:03.000 Really? 0.98

01:24:04.000 Yeah, and we're fishing.

01:24:05.000 Oh my God.

01:24:06.000 And we're fishing for Barramundi.

01:24:10.000 That's a crazy fish.

01:24:11.000 Yeah.

01:24:12.000 And so we're fishing for a bear on Monday, and I keep thinking, like, I don't know, when you got one in line, it's like a shark, will it bite that thing or whatever?

01:24:20.000 And anyways, we start asking the guy, what's the biggest one you ever saw?

01:24:23.000 And he said, Mike, the biggest one I ever saw was about 28 feet.

01:24:26.000 28 feet.

01:24:27.000 Yeah, 29 feet maybe.

01:24:29.000 And he said he's only seen it once and he saw it from about a kilometer away and they estimated the size.

01:24:33.000 And he said these guys in a helicopter saw it once.

01:24:37.000 And it doesn't stay in the river.

01:24:38.000 It stays out in the ocean.

01:24:39.000 And he said it's so smart.

01:24:41.000 It knows it's in silty water where nothing can see it.

01:24:43.000 There's nothing as big as it.

01:24:45.000 It owns its territory, you know.

01:24:47.000 28 feet.

01:24:48.000 Yeah, and he said that the back, we're in the six foot boat, and he said if this thing, he goes, I'll tell you this how big they are.

01:24:56.000 He goes, this one would be.

01:24:57.000 He said if it was under our boat, it would be sticking out about four to six feet on either side across its back sideways, and we're in a six foot wide boat.

01:25:05.000 So he said it'd be like 15 foot across its back. 0.99

01:25:09.000 What the fuck? 0.99

01:25:09.000 So think of the girth of something that big. 0.99

01:25:12.000 15 feet across the back?

01:25:14.000 Yeah, that's what this guy told me.

01:25:16.000 I don't know.

01:25:16.000 We didn't see it.

01:25:17.000 Oh my god.

01:25:18.000 But I mean, we're seeing, you know, 15 footers that are like, it's girth close to that.

01:25:23.000 You know, like a great white, when you see a 15 foot great white, it's girth is 15 feet, pretty much. 0.85

01:25:28.000 They're so fat.

01:25:28.000 Yeah, once they get like 10 feet, then they start getting fat and their girth gets about the length of them.

01:25:32.000 So if you see a 15 or 20 foot, 18 foot great white, and you measure their girth, it's pretty much their length.

01:25:38.000 How big do crocs get?

01:25:39.000 What's the biggest croc?

01:25:41.000 I don't know.

01:25:41.000 This guy's claiming it must be the biggest croc in the world.

01:25:44.000 But there was one they called Gus or something in Africa.

01:25:48.000 I used to late night just YouTube this stuff.

01:25:50.000 And they were saying this is one that had eaten.

01:25:51.000 They think it's eaten over 100 or 200 people in these villages.

01:25:54.000 Oh, Jesus.

01:25:55.000 And they think it's like 23 feet long or something.

01:25:57.000 Well, this Jim Shockey show that I was talking to you about, Uncharted, they hired him.

01:26:02.000 Gustavo.

01:26:02.000 Look at that fucking thing.

01:26:04.000 The Savannah King. 1.00

01:26:05.000 Is that a perspective shot, though?

01:26:07.000 Look how far back those guys are.

01:26:08.000 I know, you wonder.

01:26:09.000 You wonder. 0.98

01:26:09.000 Yeah, but people do that with pigs. 0.98

01:26:11.000 I do that with my fish.

01:26:13.000 When I catch a fish, I put it right by the lens.

01:26:15.000 It says 28 feet 4 inches.

01:26:17.000 So that makes sense.

01:26:18.000 Like...

01:26:19.000 What's that?

01:26:20.000 That's a replica of how big it was? 1.00

01:26:22.000 Fuck that thing. 1.00

01:26:24.000 Fuck that thing and everything that was alive before it that made it. 1.00

01:26:28.000 Dinosaurs too, you know? 1.00

01:26:29.000 Go back to that picture, Jamie, that replica, make that larger, the replica, just make that larger. 1.00

01:26:34.000 Look at the size of that fucking thing. 0.98

01:26:40.000 What is the largest confirmed one? 1.00

01:26:43.000 Because if that one is 28 feet 4 inches, the thing about that when they said 28 feet 4 inches, that's like back when people were full of shit. 0.95

01:26:51.000 Yeah, I mean this guy who told me, this Aussie guy might have been trying to freak me out too. 0.99

01:26:55.000 Puerto Rico, look at that one right there.

01:26:57.000 That thing's 20 feet, and it's not 20 feet across its back or 12 feet, you know what I mean?

01:27:01.000 Yeah, but another 8 foot long is a lot bigger and wider.

01:27:05.000 Well, you see, when you see like a 5 foot alligator, and then you see a 10 foot, the girth relative to the length changes at that point.

01:27:13.000 He's talking about the ratio and the size.

01:27:15.000 It's like one point.

01:27:16.000 Right.

01:27:16.000 What does it say, number one candidate?

01:27:19.000 This is a list of the top ten.

01:27:21.000 Of largest crocodiles?

01:27:23.000 Cambodia crocodile, seven meters.

01:27:25.000 Now, is this just the species they're talking about?

01:27:28.000 Yeah, this is just the five largest crocodiles ever recorded on this.

01:27:31.000 Oh, okay.

01:27:31.000 Cambodia.

01:27:32.000 Show the picture of the Cambodia one, 23 feet. 0.63

01:27:34.000 That doesn't have a picture.

01:27:36.000 Oh, it doesn't?

01:27:36.000 This was the only one that had a picture.

01:27:37.000 Why would you not take a picture of a 23-foot-long crocodile?

01:27:40.000 Trust me, bro.

01:27:42.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:27:43.000 Shit was big. 1.00

01:27:44.000 Yeah, I mean, I would imagine that there's probably bigger ones out there. 0.99

01:27:47.000 I know there was a super killer croc that went extinct that far dwarfed those things.

01:27:55.000 That were 60 feet or whatever.

01:27:56.000 Just giant, enormous.

01:27:58.000 Pull up that extinct giant crocodile.

01:28:00.000 Okay.

01:28:01.000 I had a friend who was a commercial fisherman in South Africa, and he told me, he's like, bro, the biggest sharks are way bigger than you think.

01:28:07.000 Really?

01:28:08.000 Yeah, and I go, I want to see a picture or something.

01:28:10.000 He said, I'll tell you this.

01:28:11.000 I was on a 60-foot boat with 10 guys fishing.

01:28:15.000 Almost, he said like everybody in the boat saw the shark.

01:28:18.000 He said it came up next to their boat.

01:28:19.000 They were 20 miles off of Port Elizabeth where there's this reef they fish.

01:28:23.000 And he's claiming the thing was more than half the length of their 60-foot boat.

01:28:26.000 What?

01:28:27.000 Yeah, he's like, it was 35 feet.

01:28:28.000 That's what he tells me.

01:28:29.000 What is the biggest great white?

01:28:31.000 Like 20. But he's saying it's bigger than that.

01:28:35.000 Jaco Stoke supposedly filmed one in Cape Verde that they didn't have anything.

01:28:38.000 They couldn't tell the size because they didn't have something next to it.

01:28:40.000 He said it was close to 10 meters, which is 30 feet.

01:28:43.000 But this guy's telling me.

01:28:45.000 He goes, no.

01:28:46.000 I've seen the shark twice out there, is what he told me.

01:28:49.000 But I don't know.

01:28:50.000 They're out there every day.

01:28:51.000 That's the thing.

01:28:52.000 How many people are out there?

01:28:54.000 Yeah, I don't know.

01:28:54.000 You know, it's like people...

01:28:55.000 Where are the biggest ones?

01:28:56.000 The biggest ones are smart, you know?

01:28:58.000 Yeah.

01:28:58.000 Like, I don't...

01:28:59.000 I rarely see a big shark.

01:29:01.000 Rarely.

01:29:01.000 I'll see...

01:29:02.000 Like, I've seen a couple of great whites in South Africa jump. 0.96

01:29:04.000 Look at that thing. 0.92

01:29:05.000 That is a replica of something that used to exist.

01:29:09.000 Twelve animals, you're glad. 1.00

01:29:10.000 Look at the fucking skull. 1.00

01:29:13.000 This guy's basically standing inside the skull of this crocodile. 1.00

01:29:16.000 It's so freaky. 1.00

01:29:16.000 Fuck that, man. 1.00

01:29:18.000 Well, that's the premise of that stupid movie, The Meg. 1.00

01:29:21.000 The Megalodon movie. 1.00

01:29:22.000 Yeah, I won't even watch it.

01:29:23.000 Come on.

01:29:26.000 How come?

01:29:27.000 I don't know.

01:29:28.000 Do you remember that movie, The Deep Blue?

01:29:31.000 Is that what it's called?

01:29:31.000 There was a shark.

01:29:32.000 There were sharks that were training.

01:29:34.000 They were like GMO sharks or something.

01:29:38.000 These genetically cloned sharks.

01:29:39.000 And they were supposedly training them.

01:29:41.000 And then they got too smart and they started eating everyone.

01:29:43.000 And then there's the hot girl in the bikini.

01:29:47.000 And she has to take off her wetsuit because it's rubber.

01:29:49.000 I don't know.

01:29:50.000 There's...

01:29:51.000 You see these movies, and the artistic license on these things is so bizarre.

01:29:56.000 There's no truth to it.

01:29:57.000 Is this it?

01:29:59.000 There we go.

01:29:59.000 And he starts talking about it.

01:30:01.000 He goes, you know what?

01:30:02.000 You know what?

01:30:02.000 It's dangerous.

01:30:03.000 Water's not dangerous.

01:30:04.000 Ice is dangerous.

01:30:05.000 We're not going to fight anymore.

01:30:08.000 We're going to pull together, and we're going to find a way to get out of here.

01:30:14.000 First, we're going to see alive.

01:30:20.000 Good movie.

01:30:22.000 Didn't see that coming at all.

01:30:23.000 I wouldn't go in the water for seconds after that if I saw that movie.

01:30:29.000 I actually was with Samuel L. Jackson like three weeks ago in Paris.

01:30:32.000 We were playing golf together.

01:30:35.000 I wanted to ask him about that, but I didn't have the balls.

01:30:39.000 I mean, how big do you think they could be and people don't know? 0.97

01:30:42.000 I mean, 30 feet sounds reasonable.

01:30:44.000 If they think they're 25 feet, there could be one that's 30 feet.

01:30:47.000 Maybe, yeah.

01:30:48.000 I mean, I think it's reasonable to go.

01:30:49.000 But that's a lot more years in eating, and no one saw it during that time.

01:30:54.000 I mean, it's kind of like UFOs.

01:30:57.000 I've got to see one.

01:30:58.000 Yeah, I guess, but you've seen sharks, and we know they get big.

01:31:03.000 How many people are out there looking for them?

01:31:06.000 That's the thing.

01:31:06.000 The ocean's massive.

01:31:08.000 They filmed one they called Big Blue last year, I think, in Guadalupe Island, I think it was.

01:31:13.000 And it was 21 or 22 feet.

01:31:15.000 Yeah, the video's online.

01:31:16.000 And you know how big they look, right?

01:31:18.000 Yeah.

01:31:19.000 This thing's face and nose look small because its body's so huge.

01:31:22.000 It must have been a pregnant female or something. 1.00

01:31:24.000 But its body looks like...

01:31:26.000 Even bigger around than the length, and they said it was 20. Yeah, look at this thing.

01:31:30.000 See, like, its face almost looks, like, small compared to its body. 1.00

01:31:33.000 What the fuck? 1.00

01:31:35.000 Oh, my God! 1.00

01:31:37.000 But see the girth?

01:31:38.000 The girth is so freaky.

01:31:39.000 World's largest shark, 7 meters, so that's 21. So 22 feet, 23 feet.

01:31:44.000 What the fuck, man? 0.99

01:31:45.000 This guy touches it, too. 1.00

01:31:46.000 That guy comes out of the cage and touches it.

01:31:49.000 Look at the size of this thing.

01:31:51.000 That's another thing.

01:31:52.000 The shark feeding freaks me out.

01:31:54.000 This guy touched it.

01:31:55.000 Watch.

01:31:55.000 He just comes out and he's like, I gotta touch this creature.

01:31:58.000 That guy's an asshole. 1.00

01:31:58.000 I got to. 1.00

01:31:59.000 Get out of there, bitch. 1.00

01:32:00.000 But see, like, his face almost looks small compared to how... 1.00

01:32:03.000 Right.

01:32:04.000 It's so creepy.

01:32:04.000 It's so massive.

01:32:05.000 It's so scary.

01:32:06.000 That is so big.

01:32:07.000 It looks like a whale.

01:32:09.000 It literally looks like a whale.

01:32:12.000 Oh my god.

01:32:13.000 And to think that there's something out there that's 10 feet bigger than that.

01:32:15.000 Well, a killer whale could eat that thing's liver without thinking about it. 1.00

01:32:18.000 Snap it in half.

01:32:20.000 And a killer whale's just a dolphin.

01:32:21.000 It's so weird to think that that thing has dominance over that thing.

01:32:25.000 It is, but there's just so much smarter.

01:32:27.000 Yeah.

01:32:27.000 It's not even close.

01:32:28.000 There's so much more agile, so much smarter.

01:32:31.000 400 years old.

01:32:32.000 What?

01:32:33.000 This is a seven-gill, what do they call it?

01:32:35.000 A greenland shark.

01:32:35.000 A greenland shark, yeah.

01:32:37.000 They think, wasn't that one of the speculations of what the Loch Ness monster was?

01:32:41.000 I think that it was some sort of a landlocked green, or not landlocked.

01:32:44.000 Yeah, but it wouldn't have been in the loch.

01:32:46.000 No, they think it was in the loch because it was trapped, because the loch used to be connected to...

01:32:50.000 I think that was a twig.

01:32:52.000 Could be. 1.00

01:32:52.000 That was a fucking driftwood, man. 1.00

01:32:54.000 Or it could be like a sturgeon or some shit like that. 1.00

01:32:57.000 Like, there was one of those... 0.95

01:32:59.000 It was Lake Champlain or one of those lakes.

01:33:03.000 Yeah, the sturgeons are huge.

01:33:04.000 Yeah, sturgeons are crazy looking.

01:33:06.000 Freaky, yeah.

01:33:07.000 That's another dinosaur.

01:33:08.000 An alligator gar.

01:33:09.000 You seen those things?

01:33:09.000 Oh, yeah, man.

01:33:10.000 Those are freaky.

01:33:10.000 My friends went fishing for them.

01:33:12.000 They have them in Texas.

01:33:13.000 You can catch them in Texas.

01:33:15.000 Those things are bizarre.

01:33:16.000 I don't think you're noodling for those things.

01:33:18.000 No.

01:33:20.000 That's another thing that's hundreds of millions of years old, right?

01:33:22.000 Yeah.

01:33:23.000 I mean, that would be...

01:33:24.000 I'd love to go take my friends and just go noodling sometimes.

01:33:27.000 Sounds kind of creepy.

01:33:28.000 Your girlfriend would be like, what? 0.99

01:33:29.000 Noodling?

01:33:30.000 Oh, for catfish?

01:33:31.000 Yeah.

01:33:31.000 But you accidentally get turtles sometimes.

01:33:33.000 Those snapping turtles would bite your arm off, wouldn't it?

01:33:36.000 That's one of the scariest things.

01:33:38.000 That looks like it would just break your arm in half. 1.00

01:33:40.000 Probably fuck you up. 1.00

01:33:41.000 I mean, I'm sure dudes have probably lost fingers. 1.00

01:33:43.000 Snapping turtles.

01:33:45.000 What's that?

01:33:45.000 Yeah, I accidentally googled that and the snapping turtle incidents popped up.

01:33:49.000 Oh, guys losing their hands?

01:33:51.000 No, see, that's just not cool.

01:33:52.000 Oh, don't show me this.

01:33:53.000 Because that's like two razors.

01:33:55.000 They're like two razors.

01:33:56.000 Yeah, like garden shears.

01:33:58.000 Yeah, yeah. 1.00

01:33:59.000 Taking your fucking arm off. 1.00

01:34:01.000 I mean, how often have you encountered orcas? 1.00

01:34:04.000 I've never seen an orca.

01:34:06.000 Really?

01:34:06.000 No, I mean, not other than SeaWorld's kidnapping of them.

01:34:10.000 Fuck SeaWorld. 1.00

01:34:11.000 Yeah, I'm with you. 1.00

01:34:13.000 That's just so gross.

01:34:14.000 I just don't understand.

01:34:16.000 I mean, I guess I understand because I was a kid once and I went there, but I don't understand how a rational, logical thinking adult could take their kids to SeaWorld after all the information that's out there about the social behaviors,

01:34:31.000 about how smart these animals are.

01:34:34.000 It hasn't gotten to a lot of people, unfortunately.

01:34:36.000 Yeah.

01:34:37.000 I agree with you if you did get the information, but...

01:34:40.000 A lot of people just don't know.

01:34:41.000 They think, oh, they're fed, they're healthy, they have a nice...

01:34:45.000 Yeah, I got in this battle with...

01:34:47.000 And look, I'm no scientist.

01:34:49.000 I debate people all the time, but I'm no scientist, obviously.

01:34:52.000 I just...

01:34:52.000 I think I have a pretty good heart, and I feel bad for animals that are locked up that need to travel 100 miles a day in their social packs.

01:35:01.000 And they need to have interaction with other animals.

01:35:03.000 And they need a certain amount of space.

01:35:04.000 I mean, imagine...

01:35:06.000 You think about solitary confinement for a prisoner who's in a room that's no wider than they are tall and maybe twice as long as they are tall.

01:35:18.000 And there's no interaction with other people.

01:35:20.000 They go crazy.

01:35:21.000 Most people come out of prisons and jails worse than they went in because of this kind of...

01:35:28.000 Think of being in there for 30 years just wondering, God, is there another whale on the other side of that wall?

01:35:34.000 Can I get some fish?

01:35:35.000 I mean, you go nuts.

01:35:37.000 And you see these videos of the trainer that was killed.

01:35:40.000 And one trainer, luckily the guy was a great freediver, and he lived through basically an attack by an orca.

01:35:47.000 And the thing knew he wanted to get over to that wall.

01:35:49.000 And he went, nope, I'm going to play with you.

01:35:52.000 And I'm just going to keep pulling you down and pulling you down.

01:35:54.000 And the guy was a good enough free diver to be able to know, okay, I've got to conserve my energy.

01:35:59.000 I've got to bring my heart rate down.

01:36:01.000 I'm going to have to hold my breath against my will when I don't know what's going to happen.

01:36:05.000 A friend of mine used to work at Marine Land in Canada, my friend Phil, Phil Demers, and he was an ORCA trainer, and he's trying to get Marine Land closed down.

01:36:15.000 There's this big lawsuit with them, and he's been involved in a lawsuit with them for over five years now.

01:36:20.000 I was just hanging out with him in Toronto.

01:36:23.000 And he was a walrus trainer.

01:36:25.000 And there's this walrus that he was taking care of.

01:36:27.000 It's the only one that's left there that survived.

01:36:30.000 And Marineland is like slowly going bankrupt.

01:36:32.000 The guy who was the original owner is now dead.

01:36:34.000 Too bad they don't quickly go bankrupt.

01:36:36.000 It's so dark, man.

01:36:38.000 The whole business is so dark because, you know, a lot of them say, oh, we won't take any, you know, orcas or dolphins from captivity.

01:36:46.000 But they'll get them from people that stole them from the wild.

01:36:50.000 And they breed, you know, I think there's no more breeding allowed in America.

01:36:54.000 Yeah, but they'll get them from someone that bred them in Canada, or Russia, rather, or China, or someplace where there's not as many rules.

01:37:01.000 You know, John Lilly, who was the guy who actually invented the isolation tank, he was a pioneer in interspecies communication.

01:37:09.000 Which is, it's a weird field.

01:37:11.000 He was a scientist that was also, he took, like, extreme liberties with his scientific research.

01:37:18.000 Took a lot of acid, gave acid to dolphins.

01:37:21.000 Wow.

01:37:21.000 Did a lot of dolphin research in the flotation tank.

01:37:24.000 Did a lot of really, really wacky shit. 0.99

01:37:26.000 It's pretty out there. 0.99

01:37:27.000 He believed that one day dolphins were going to have a seat in the United Nations.

01:37:31.000 He believed we were going to be able to communicate with dolphins and that dolphins were going to be recognized as water people.

01:37:37.000 He thought they were going to be literally, he thought they were as smart as human beings.

01:37:41.000 That's amazing.

01:37:41.000 And that if we could figure out how to communicate with them, they would have the same rights as human beings.

01:37:47.000 Yeah, and that was a genius.

01:37:49.000 Yeah, I mean just he and I I agree with him.

01:37:52.000 I think there's just a level of communication There's a way that they have of communicating that we don't understand but it's super complex their own dialects They have they they have this crazy social code.

01:38:05.000 I mean they they have something like incredibly dynamic about their their environment and their They're, you know, they're social groups.

01:38:13.000 To be able to speak a language, you need to know like 150 words.

01:38:19.000 There was a dolphin that knew like 700 words or 300 words.

01:38:22.000 I don't know, like hundreds of words.

01:38:23.000 Like commands, 300 human words?

01:38:25.000 Yeah.

01:38:25.000 You know how many dolphin words we know?

01:38:27.000 Zero.

01:38:28.000 Yeah, zero. 1.00

01:38:28.000 We don't have a fucking clue. 1.00

01:38:29.000 Yeah, we have no idea. 0.99

01:38:30.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:38:32.000 We don't know what the fuck they're saying, but they know what they're saying. 1.00

01:38:35.000 They're just saying, why are you so goddamn stupid? 1.00

01:38:36.000 Yeah, you fucking dummy. 1.00

01:38:38.000 Stop giving me macro and let me loose. 1.00

01:38:39.000 They're like, they don't know we're making fun of them for hundreds of years.

01:38:42.000 I don't think they know what to do with them.

01:38:44.000 Well, one of the things that Phil was working with was...

01:38:47.000 There's a group, what was that group where they're trying to, they're going to create a boundary out in the ocean and slowly release these dolphins and orcas out into this boundary and then, you know, and keep feeding them, but then slowly release them out to the real world.

01:39:03.000 Yeah, open ocean pens.

01:39:04.000 Yeah.

01:39:04.000 Yeah, they're talking about doing that, possibly.

01:39:06.000 And that would be a way for people to actually experience it.

01:39:09.000 Because the idea is that...

01:39:11.000 And I had a debate with this trainer.

01:39:13.000 I watched Blackfish, and it just freaked me out.

01:39:17.000 And of course, there's probably a lot of confirmation bias.

01:39:20.000 There's probably some information in there that is not totally unbiased, right?

01:39:24.000 Obviously.

01:39:24.000 They're trying to make a point.

01:39:26.000 But this woman talked to all the different trainers and stuff. 1.00

01:39:31.000 A guy got in contact with me that was a trainer, and he said, Kelly, the whole movie is BS. I believe this guy was actually in the movie.

01:39:39.000 He said, it was all BS. Orcas live longer in captivity than they do in the wild.

01:39:44.000 He told me that.

01:39:47.000 Orcas haven't been in captivity as long as they live yet.

01:39:50.000 So we don't know that.

01:39:51.000 So that's completely a lie.

01:39:53.000 He has no idea if that's true.

01:39:55.000 He said they're more healthy.

01:39:56.000 He told me all these things. 1.00

01:39:58.000 And I just finally went, this guy's just full of shit. 1.00

01:40:00.000 I don't know. 1.00

01:40:02.000 I can't buy what he's telling me.

01:40:04.000 But he said, I'm a trainer.

01:40:05.000 I've been a trainer.

01:40:06.000 I looked him up.

01:40:06.000 He's biased because that's why he makes his living.

01:40:09.000 Exactly, and I know some dolphin trainers, and I actually went to SeaWorld a few times in Australia.

01:40:13.000 I used to know a few of the trainers back in the late 90s, and I went there a few times swimming with the dolphins.

01:40:17.000 The first day I was there, one of the things I asked them was, like, will these guys ever get set free?

01:40:22.000 And right then I could feel a little pullback, you know, like straightaway.

01:40:26.000 I could feel like, uh, maybe.

01:40:27.000 Why would I release my slaves?

01:40:29.000 Yeah, I felt a little uncomfortable to keep asking questions because it is their livelihood and I had a respect for that.

01:40:34.000 I know that all these trainers love these animals.

01:40:36.000 They really, truly probably love them more than they love most people.

01:40:40.000 But that doesn't make it right at all.

01:40:44.000 And there are probably some animals that can handle being in a zoo or they're happy there.

01:40:48.000 Giraffes.

01:40:49.000 Giraffes, maybe.

01:40:49.000 I used to have a bit about that.

01:40:51.000 They're just walking around going, another day with no lions.

01:40:54.000 Yeah, kangaroos.

01:40:54.000 They get fed well.

01:40:55.000 They don't really need to migrate very far.

01:40:57.000 They don't have anything that's a predator that's going after them.

01:40:59.000 I mean, they let babies feed giraffes at the zoo.

01:41:02.000 Yeah.

01:41:02.000 Because they're so calm and relaxed.

01:41:04.000 My friend has a giraffe in Malibu.

01:41:05.000 Really?

01:41:06.000 Yeah.

01:41:06.000 Your friend has a giraffe?

01:41:07.000 Has a giraffe.

01:41:08.000 How baller is your friend? 0.99

01:41:09.000 It's fucking awesome. 1.00

01:41:10.000 When bitches come over your house, you got a giraffe. 1.00

01:41:11.000 They bought it for like 30 grand or something. 1.00

01:41:14.000 20 grand.

01:41:14.000 That's a penny dropper.

01:41:15.000 Yeah.

01:41:15.000 Here's my Ferrari.

01:41:16.000 Oh yeah, that?

01:41:17.000 That's my giraffe.

01:41:18.000 They got some emus.

01:41:19.000 Come on inside.

01:41:19.000 Our chef will be cooking for you.

01:41:21.000 And then we'll fly to Jamaica on my private jet. 1.00

01:41:24.000 Motherfucker's got a giraffe. 1.00

01:41:26.000 You can't be poor and have a giraffe. 1.00

01:41:27.000 They got a winery.

01:41:28.000 They got a giraffe.

01:41:29.000 Oh, Jesus.

01:41:29.000 He's got his own winery.

01:41:31.000 Yeah, their family has all this acres.

01:41:32.000 But anyways, this giraffe's super cool.

01:41:35.000 He can come up and eat out of your hand.

01:41:36.000 This is in Malibu?

01:41:37.000 Malibu, yeah.

01:41:38.000 It's called Malibu Winery or something.

01:41:42.000 Man, wake up with a mountain lion eating that giraffe. 0.73

01:41:43.000 I know.

01:41:44.000 They got to watch out.

01:41:45.000 There's a mountain lion that killed like 11 alpacas up there.

01:41:48.000 My friend lives in Topanga Canyon, and he came home.

01:41:53.000 One night, a mountain lion got into his pig pen or goat pen or something.

01:42:00.000 It's kind of ugly.

01:42:01.000 There's a lot of them.

01:42:03.000 We were talking about that before.

01:42:04.000 And it had to figure out, like, he had this, the way he had his thing, it couldn't climb up the fencing or break under it.

01:42:11.000 It had tried, apparently.

01:42:13.000 The thing knew to climb up this tree and drop from, like, 12 feet or 15 feet down into the pen.

01:42:19.000 What?

01:42:19.000 Yeah.

01:42:20.000 Yeah.

01:42:21.000 It had to climb this tree.

01:42:22.000 He has cameras and stuff.

01:42:23.000 So it figured it out.

01:42:25.000 Yeah, it figured it out.

01:42:26.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:42:27.000 Fuck those things, man. 1.00

01:42:28.000 Those creepy cats. 1.00

01:42:30.000 I went to Muscle Bay in South Africa.

01:42:32.000 I was always interested to do one of those shark dive feeding tours.

01:42:36.000 I thought, I'll go check it out.

01:42:38.000 Got there, get on the boat, and you go out, and you don't want to, I didn't want to bring my own wetsuit, because I didn't want all this fish slime all over it, you know what I mean?

01:42:44.000 It's like, I want to go back surfing the next day at some, back at Jeffrey's Bay and smelling like fish, yeah.

01:42:49.000 And, uh, so, um, Get on the boat, go out there, and where they feed them, there's like these couple of little rock islands that stick up right there, and they just park the boat.

01:43:00.000 As soon as they park the boat, boom, the sharks are on you.

01:43:02.000 Sharks are pretty inquisitive anyways.

01:43:05.000 Even when I've been on boats out in the ocean, fishing or diving.

01:43:08.000 I was in Papua New Guinea one time, and we pulled up, and everywhere we anchored, immediately there'd be three to five, maybe more sharks on the boat.

01:43:14.000 They just come up from the deep, check you out, what is that?

01:43:16.000 Boom, and then they kind of disappear.

01:43:18.000 Then they're probably watching, because they know what's going on.

01:43:21.000 But the Great Whites pop up. 1.00

01:43:23.000 I think that day we saw about eight or ten Great Whites, different size and ages and whatever. 0.65

01:43:29.000 But about 500 yards away, there were guys surfing. 0.98

01:43:33.000 And I was like, this is fucking weird, man. 0.80

01:43:35.000 Like, there's no way I'd be surfing. 0.97

01:43:37.000 And these guys surf there every day.

01:43:39.000 And then there's a couple other spots, a couple friends of mine, like, grew up in that area, and they surf these reefs that are, like, right back where we came a mile from there in the boat, just on the outside of this harbor.

01:43:50.000 And There's kind of two ways of thinking.

01:43:55.000 Number one, the thing that bothers me with it is that sharks know where they got a meal.

01:44:01.000 Sharks, they tag sharks.

01:44:03.000 They know they come back to a hunting place where they got a seal the year before or whatever.

01:44:07.000 And they're there at the same time.

01:44:09.000 They're there the same month or whatever.

01:44:10.000 Whoa.

01:44:11.000 So, like, September, October, they're, like, here on the coast of California.

01:44:16.000 So they have some sort of internal clock.

01:44:17.000 Yeah, and then they go down to Guadalupe Island, and then they go out about 1,000 miles off the coast, and they believe they breed out there.

01:44:23.000 And then a lot of the females will go to Hawaii, and the males will come back and kind of do that route back up the coast. 0.67

01:44:29.000 But the craziest thing about these animals, they know how to just free swim.

01:44:35.000 Like...

01:44:36.000 Even if I'm swimming on the surface, I gotta like put my head up and go, okay, where's the beach?

01:44:40.000 You know, which direction am I going?

01:44:42.000 Imagine, like, they can just swim out in the ocean and find each other a thousand miles from shore and breed out in the middle of nowhere.

01:44:49.000 How do they do that?

01:44:50.000 They all know to get to this place. 1.00

01:44:52.000 They smell all shark pussy. 1.00

01:44:53.000 Yeah, they smell it. 0.99

01:44:55.000 Can you imagine, like, fish smell? 1.00

01:44:57.000 Imagine how bad shark pussy smells. 0.99

01:45:00.000 Probably like real distinct. 0.99

01:45:01.000 I don't know.

01:45:02.000 I mean, animals have crazy smells for each other when they're breeding.

01:45:06.000 An orca knows that there's a liver in that great white and he's going to smash it and eat the liver out of that and leave the shark.

01:45:12.000 Yeah.

01:45:13.000 How they smell that.

01:45:14.000 Well, that's what all alpha males, like in the wolf packs, when they kill a thing, the alpha male always eats the liver.

01:45:22.000 Wow.

01:45:22.000 It's the most nutrient-dense organ.

01:45:24.000 Yeah.

01:45:26.000 So what I don't like is that sharks, I believe, are equating, okay, I see a boat, I see a person, whatever that thing is, and he's got food.

01:45:34.000 Right.

01:45:34.000 I just don't like that equation.

01:45:36.000 That sucks. 1.00

01:45:37.000 Yeah, it sucks. 0.99

01:45:38.000 I'm not a fan. 0.74

01:45:38.000 And so, like, all these shark weeks and stuff, they're all filming off of Cape Town, and they're... 0.74

01:45:43.000 Educating the sharks.

01:45:44.000 I think they're educating the sharks.

01:45:46.000 Like, you see a human, it's not fear.

01:45:47.000 It's food.

01:45:48.000 Right.

01:45:49.000 And it's not necessarily the person's food, but they have food, and if they don't give it...

01:45:52.000 It's like a spear fisherman shooting a fish. 0.87

01:45:54.000 If you don't give up your fish, a shark will bite you sometimes.

01:45:56.000 Well, you know, that's the case in Kodiak Island with grizzly bears.

01:45:59.000 They said the grizzly bears have gotten so used to the sound of a gunshot, meaning a deer's dead, that they'll run towards the sound of a gunshot.

01:46:07.000 Yeah, there's no fear.

01:46:08.000 So they hear a gunshot.

01:46:09.000 If someone shot a moose or someone shot a deer, that means that's the dinner bell.

01:46:13.000 Yeah.

01:46:13.000 So they run towards gunshot sounds.

01:46:17.000 Yeah.

01:46:17.000 It's freaky.

01:46:19.000 There's an island up in the Aleutians that has a bunch of caribou on it.

01:46:22.000 You know about that?

01:46:23.000 Mm-hmm.

01:46:23.000 And no bears.

01:46:24.000 Yeah.

01:46:25.000 Yeah.

01:46:25.000 I was going to go hunt that.

01:46:26.000 My friend Adam, Adam Greentree, that we were just talking about, who shot that water buffalo above my head, just shot a giant moose and a grizzly bear stole it.

01:46:33.000 No.

01:46:34.000 In the Yukon last week.

01:46:36.000 Wow.

01:46:36.000 Not even last week.

01:46:37.000 Three days ago.

01:46:38.000 It might be still in his Instagram story, but they took some of the meat.

01:46:42.000 The bear is still eating that thing right now.

01:46:44.000 Well, the bear buried it.

01:46:45.000 Buried it. 1.00

01:46:46.000 Buried a giant fucking moose. 1.00

01:46:48.000 Well, it's an enormous bear. 1.00

01:46:50.000 It's a bear in the Yukon.

01:46:52.000 So you're talking about a bear.

01:46:53.000 Yeah, easily.

01:46:54.000 11-foot bear.

01:46:55.000 So this bear buried his entire moose. 0.99

01:46:57.000 And it's a fucking huge moose. 0.99

01:47:00.000 Like an 1800-pound moose. 0.99

01:47:01.000 Just try moving that moose one foot. 0.93

01:47:03.000 Yeah, this bear just dug...

01:47:05.000 I picked it up and dug it. 0.99

01:47:06.000 Yeah, like a front loader or one of those cranes that just digs foundations for houses and shit. 0.99

01:47:11.000 So what, they just like the meat to rot and then they grind it? 0.97

01:47:14.000 Well, they also want to cover it so that birds don't find it and that nothing else can see it.

01:47:19.000 So they dig a giant hole, they'll cover the moose, and he just decided it was his.

01:47:24.000 And so they were terrified when they got there.

01:47:27.000 They found that the moose was covered.

01:47:29.000 They knew it was a grizzly that did it because it was so big.

01:47:31.000 So they just took some of the meat and ran.

01:47:34.000 Bears are so primal.

01:47:35.000 Because they could only pack out so much at a time.

01:47:37.000 But why would you even take any? 0.97

01:47:38.000 I'd just get the fuck out of there. 0.99

01:47:40.000 I mean, nothing comes back or smells you. 1.00

01:47:42.000 Look, that's the moose that he shot. 1.00

01:47:45.000 Look at the size of that fucking thing. 0.99

01:47:46.000 I mean, that is a massive moose. 1.00

01:47:48.000 A friend of mine got a moose last year in Alaska.

01:47:49.000 But he's got photos.

01:47:50.000 Go to the photo of what he got out of the moose from the bear.

01:47:55.000 He got a bag.

01:47:56.000 A small bag.

01:47:58.000 This one might be that.

01:48:01.000 Mmm, what does it say?

01:48:02.000 It's just not my kill anymore.

01:48:04.000 Yeah.

01:48:04.000 Oh my gosh.

01:48:04.000 See, click on that.

01:48:05.000 You can see the video.

01:48:06.000 Like, play that.

01:48:07.000 Buried the whole moose.

01:48:08.000 Come on.

01:48:09.000 Look at this.

01:48:10.000 The whole moose is buried.

01:48:11.000 Oh my gosh.

01:48:12.000 Yeah, that's my moose under there.

01:48:14.000 You sure it wasn't a skunk ape that did that? 0.99

01:48:16.000 No, look at that.

01:48:17.000 Look, look, look.

01:48:17.000 That's so freaky.

01:48:19.000 Okay, I don't like this.

01:48:20.000 Okay, I don't like this.

01:48:25.000 I would just hightail.

01:48:28.000 Plus, they're bow hunting.

01:48:30.000 They don't even have guns.

01:48:31.000 No guns!

01:48:32.000 You ever hear that story of the kid who was getting attacked by the bear, the grizzly, running down a hill and his dad was looking up with a bow?

01:48:39.000 You ever hear this story?

01:48:40.000 No.

01:48:40.000 You've got to find this story.

01:48:41.000 It's so sick.

01:48:42.000 The dad was looking up?

01:48:43.000 The guy decides to go up this ridge, this kid.

01:48:45.000 He's like a 25-year-old kid or whatever.

01:48:48.000 And he's going up the ridge and he sees a couple bear cubs or whatever.

01:48:52.000 And then, oh no, there's mom.

01:48:54.000 The thing comes after him, just charging.

01:48:56.000 He comes running back down the hill, but he's straight in line with the bear.

01:49:00.000 The dad is, like, looking at him, pulled back, ready to let an arrow fly, and the kid's exactly in line with the bear.

01:49:08.000 Oh my god.

01:49:09.000 And as the bear is, like, getting to him, the kid kind of sidesteps, and the dad lets it fly, and it hits the bear in the heart, and the bear falls on the kid and starts ripping at him and dies.

01:49:19.000 Whoa.

01:49:20.000 Whoa.

01:49:21.000 Whoa! 0.71

01:49:23.000 Outdoor Life, September 25, 2008. Oh, so he was 37, so yeah.

01:49:27.000 Wow.

01:49:28.000 Elk hunting. 1.00

01:49:29.000 Fuck. 1.00

01:49:31.000 Wyoming. 1.00

01:49:32.000 Yeah, it got him and started tearing at him and died on him.

01:49:35.000 Jesus Christ.

01:49:40.000 I passed my dad and I saw an arrow fly by my leg about two feet away.

01:49:44.000 Dad kept it together. 0.98

01:49:45.000 Tell you what, there's some fucking serious target panic there. 0.98

01:49:49.000 Yeah, you better be sure. 0.98

01:49:50.000 11 foot chrisley's charging at you and your son's in front of you.

01:49:53.000 Oh my god.

01:49:55.000 Dude, I hate to wrap this up, but I gotta get out of here.

01:49:58.000 It's already 6.30.

01:49:59.000 I had a question for you.

01:49:59.000 Please.

01:50:01.000 I was talking about this with a couple friends of mine that you are exposed to probably more information and people and all that and more walks of life than maybe anybody in the world.

01:50:12.000 You realize that?

01:50:13.000 You ever think about that?

01:50:14.000 Because you get such a diverse group of people to come talk to you, from politicians to chemists and scientists and athletes, and you just know so much information about so many topics.

01:50:25.000 I know like little scattering little things that I can pull up.

01:50:28.000 Well, you know a little bit about everything, sort of.

01:50:31.000 Sometimes.

01:50:32.000 Sometimes I don't remember anything.

01:50:33.000 Yeah, you're being humble.

01:50:34.000 But I mean, I think it's cool because you're just in this place where now that information is so readily available to you firsthand.

01:50:43.000 Yeah.

01:50:44.000 Well, I definitely learned a lot, but what's interesting is that this was never the plan.

01:50:48.000 This is all just complete happenstance and good fortune. 0.98

01:50:52.000 I mean, this whole thing just started out talking shit with comedian friends. 0.97

01:50:55.000 And then slowly but surely, someone was like, I want to go on. 0.98

01:50:58.000 I'm like, okay, come on on.

01:50:59.000 And then, you know, I got, like, Anthony Bourdain was one of the first guests that was like a guest guest.

01:51:04.000 Were you buddies with him?

01:51:06.000 Did you become friends with him?

01:51:07.000 Yeah, I was friends with him. 0.98

01:51:08.000 It's fucking beyond sad. 0.87

01:51:10.000 So your experience now is like your flow state. 0.98

01:51:13.000 It's just happening.

01:51:15.000 Do you enjoy it?

01:51:17.000 I love it.

01:51:18.000 Yeah, no, I love it.

01:51:19.000 I always look forward to it.

01:51:20.000 I look forward to meeting interesting people and meeting people like you and people like Neil deGrasse Tyson or Graham Hancock.

01:51:29.000 There's so many different people that can come on and talk about so many different fascinating things that maybe a lot of people just weren't exposed to the information before that.

01:51:40.000 Just to wrap up that foot thing because I didn't and it'll be super short.

01:51:43.000 I got a second surgery in February.

01:51:46.000 Put me out for about six weeks.

01:51:48.000 I surf about six weeks and I started getting good again.

01:51:50.000 And then I tore because my foot was so tight.

01:51:53.000 I did like a turf toe tear on the bottom and I ripped that plantar fasciitis or whatever. 0.89

01:51:59.000 So I've been fighting that.

01:52:00.000 But I'm right back now.

01:52:02.000 I'm going to start competing in December again.

01:52:03.000 Nice.

01:52:04.000 So yeah.

01:52:05.000 I want to go to one of those live.

01:52:07.000 Is there anyone live around here?

01:52:09.000 Any competition that I could see?

01:52:12.000 Not really around here.

01:52:13.000 Where would I have to go?

01:52:14.000 Hawaii?

01:52:15.000 Yeah, come to Hawaii.

01:52:16.000 December.

01:52:17.000 Second week of December.

01:52:18.000 Second week?

01:52:18.000 Yeah.

01:52:19.000 It's in between UFCs.

01:52:21.000 Which island?

01:52:22.000 There's actually a Bellator that week.

01:52:23.000 Really?

01:52:23.000 In Hawaii?

01:52:24.000 In Honolulu.

01:52:24.000 Oh, that's right.

01:52:26.000 Who's on that card?

01:52:28.000 I forget the card.

01:52:29.000 My friend Dustin Barker is fighting on it though.

01:52:31.000 Man, I was planning on seeing Fedor versus Ryan Bader.

01:52:35.000 It was going to be at the Forum.

01:52:36.000 Fedor, Bader.

01:52:37.000 Is that happening?

01:52:38.000 Yeah, on the 26th.

01:52:39.000 But now, what is it?

01:52:42.000 November?

01:52:42.000 No, not December 26th.

01:52:44.000 Well, whatever the date is, there's a UFC now.

01:52:48.000 Bummer.

01:52:48.000 Yeah.

01:52:49.000 Maybe it's November.

01:52:50.000 I wanted to see him live.

01:52:51.000 Yeah, but there's a Bellator.

01:52:52.000 I mean, I don't know if you're...

01:52:53.000 Are you contractually obligated to not go to those things?

01:52:55.000 No, no.

01:52:56.000 I can go.

01:52:56.000 Yeah, I can go.

01:52:57.000 So there's one that week, and we have a serve contest at Pipeline.

01:53:01.000 Who's on that Bellator card?

01:53:02.000 Is it Michael Chandler?

01:53:04.000 The main is Valerie Letourneau versus... 1.00

01:53:07.000 I can't say her name.

01:53:09.000 I'll pull it up for you.

01:53:10.000 McFarlane.

01:53:11.000 No, you can say it.

01:53:11.000 Go ahead.

01:53:12.000 I don't know how to pronounce that.

01:53:14.000 Elama or...

01:53:15.000 Elimale McFarlane.

01:53:17.000 Elimale McFarlane.

01:53:18.000 She must be Hawaiian.

01:53:20.000 Well, we should probably be on the local card.

01:53:22.000 Yeah.

01:53:22.000 Lyota Machida.

01:53:23.000 There it is.

01:53:23.000 Oh, Machida's on there.

01:53:24.000 I can't figure out this website.

01:53:26.000 Man, Liotta was great.

01:53:28.000 God, when he was undefeated, no one could figure him out. 1.00

01:53:29.000 And Rafael Covalho was a bad motherfucker. 0.99

01:53:31.000 That's a good fight. 1.00

01:53:32.000 Neiman Gracie and Ed Ruth.

01:53:34.000 Ooh, that's a good fight.

01:53:35.000 King Moe.

01:53:35.000 King Moe and Liam McGeary.

01:53:37.000 That's a good fight, too.

01:53:39.000 Kona.

01:53:39.000 He's a friend of mine, Kona Oliveira.

01:53:41.000 Oh, okay.

01:53:41.000 He's a surfer guy.

01:53:43.000 What a weird...

01:53:44.000 Bellator's got a very strange...

01:53:45.000 Yeah, it's hard to use.

01:53:47.000 ...website.

01:53:48.000 They have prelims, also.

01:53:49.000 Yeah.

01:53:50.000 Hmm.

01:53:51.000 December 15th is this one.

01:53:53.000 So that's the same week.

01:53:54.000 And what island is this surf contest on?

01:53:57.000 Oahu, same as Honolulu.

01:53:58.000 Oh, okay.

01:53:58.000 So it's on the North Shore.

01:54:00.000 I'll send you some surf forecast.

01:54:01.000 I'll tell you what day it is running.

01:54:02.000 Okay.

01:54:03.000 I'm going to try.

01:54:03.000 If I can, I will try.

01:54:04.000 I really want to see one live.

01:54:06.000 I think it would be cool.

01:54:06.000 Shane will be there.

01:54:07.000 He probably won't compete, but he'll probably do commentary for it.

01:54:10.000 Shane's gonna be here real soon.

01:54:12.000 He's here the day of Sober October, the November 5th show.

01:54:15.000 You got me in, man.

01:54:15.000 He's gonna be here early.

01:54:16.000 You got me in.

01:54:18.000 I don't drink much, but I was in Paris the week October started.

01:54:24.000 Yeah.

01:54:24.000 And I'm just going to my friend's restaurant every night and having a drink or two.

01:54:28.000 It's stupid, you know? 0.99

01:54:29.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:54:30.000 And so I just feel so much better not having even a beer, you know?

01:54:33.000 It's just...

01:54:34.000 It's a good...

01:54:34.000 Look, I enjoyed it last year.

01:54:36.000 Last year we did 15 days of hot yoga.

01:54:39.000 We had to do 15 hot yoga classes, 90-minute classes. 0.99

01:54:42.000 That was kind of a pain in the ass. 1.00

01:54:43.000 This year's way more of a pain in the ass. 0.99

01:54:45.000 This year we're doing this crazy fitness competition where we're wearing this MyZone heart rate monitor and you get a certain amount of points for every minute you're in, you know, like 80% of your max heart rate, 70% of your max heart rate is less. 0.98

01:54:59.000 So just every day you're just...

01:55:00.000 Dude, I worked out for five and a half hours today.

01:55:03.000 Uh-huh.

01:55:03.000 Five and a half hours.

01:55:04.000 I'm trying to kill my friends. 0.97

01:55:05.000 I surfed for five hours yesterday and I was dead. 0.88

01:55:07.000 I just haven't surfed much lately.

01:55:09.000 I'm not bullshitting.

01:55:10.000 I worked out for five people.

01:55:12.000 Yeah, you're exaggerating.

01:55:13.000 No, it's documented.

01:55:15.000 I did five and a half hours, 913 points. 0.97

01:55:18.000 They're all shitting their pants right now.

01:55:20.000 I'm saying it's 929 before I quit. 0.85

01:55:22.000 Do you know how many minutes today you were at 80% heart rate or whatever?

01:55:27.000 Hours.

01:55:28.000 Look, all those yellow...

01:55:28.000 That's hours this month?

01:55:30.000 Yes.

01:55:30.000 No, today.

01:55:31.000 Today I was at hours at 80% of my heart rate.

01:55:34.000 A couple hours.

01:55:35.000 More like three.

01:55:36.000 Wow.

01:55:37.000 Three hours at 80% of my max heart rate.

01:55:39.000 It had to be, because 913, you get 240 points per minute.

01:55:43.000 What's the endgame?

01:55:44.000 The endgame is I win.

01:55:46.000 No, but I mean, do you go do a triathlon after or something?

01:55:48.000 No, I don't know. 0.91

01:55:49.000 I'm in fucking crazy shape right now, I'll tell you that. 0.99

01:55:51.000 Yeah, you are. 0.99

01:55:52.000 I mean, I walk in, I'm like, Jesus, this guy's freaking ripped.

01:55:54.000 But I mean, I've literally never been in better cardiovascular shape in my life. 0.98

01:55:58.000 I worked out for five and a half fucking hours today.

01:56:01.000 Do you do anything with that besides just feel good? 0.98

01:56:04.000 I'm just trying to get my belt.

01:56:05.000 We have a championship belt, like a WWE belt at the end of this.

01:56:09.000 It says Intergalactic Champion, Sober October. 0.91

01:56:12.000 And I'm just trying, right now, I'm trying to literally kill my friends that are trying to compete with me. 0.80

01:56:18.000 I want them to regret getting into this competition with me. 0.98

01:56:21.000 Because I don't think they totally understood how fucking crazy I am until this thing started heating up and I told them I'm going to do 929 points every day. 0.91

01:56:30.000 Jesus. 0.91

01:56:31.000 1,600 points ahead of the second place.

01:56:34.000 Do you ever fast?

01:56:35.000 Have you fasted?

01:56:36.000 No.

01:56:37.000 No, I've done intermittent fasting where I fast like 16 hours a night.

01:56:40.000 But never like a master cleanse for 10 days or something?

01:56:43.000 No, I like food too much.

01:56:44.000 But I do enjoy intermittent fasting.

01:56:46.000 I like to do 16 hours.

01:56:48.000 I've done like nine, ten day fasts.

01:56:50.000 Master Cleanse.

01:56:52.000 But dude, I recommend it.

01:56:55.000 Just because you get all the stuff out of your colon that looks like your colon. 0.98

01:56:58.000 It's like old poop and it's kind of gross. 0.92

01:57:01.000 Is that real? 0.92

01:57:01.000 I swear to God, it came out of my body. 0.92

01:57:03.000 I thought I pooped out my colon.

01:57:05.000 It's crazy. 0.99

01:57:06.000 So when you haven't eaten in like two days, how much are you shitting? 1.00

01:57:10.000 You still shitting? 0.99

01:57:11.000 No, you poop every day a little bit. 1.00

01:57:13.000 Really? 0.53

01:57:13.000 Yeah. 0.53

01:57:14.000 Wow.

01:57:14.000 It's crazy.

01:57:15.000 That's gotta be weird.

01:57:15.000 But then this stuff comes out of your gut.

01:57:17.000 They call mucoid plaque.

01:57:18.000 You can Google that.

01:57:19.000 And it is like 20, 30, 40 years of stuff built up from the mucus.

01:57:24.000 Your body creates when it doesn't like what you're eating, and that goes down and it gets stuck on the walls of your intestines, and it's like tire rubber, and you poop it out.

01:57:32.000 It looks exactly like the shape of your intestine.

01:57:35.000 I thought it was my intestine. 0.99

01:57:37.000 So you thought you shit out part of your body? 0.99

01:57:38.000 I did. 1.00

01:57:39.000 It was freaky.

01:57:40.000 And how good do you feel when this is over?

01:57:42.000 You look like... 0.55

01:57:43.000 Let me see.

01:57:43.000 Pull it up.

01:57:44.000 Pull it up.

01:57:45.000 Look at his face.

01:57:46.000 Look at his face.

01:57:47.000 Look at his face.

01:57:48.000 I didn't believe it was real and I got it out.

01:57:50.000 It's like weird stuff starts...

01:57:52.000 Mucoid plaque. 0.78

01:57:52.000 Whoa! 0.78

01:57:53.000 That is nuts!

01:57:54.000 Yeah, I got something out of my body.

01:57:55.000 Look at that stuff.

01:57:56.000 That does look like intestine. 0.97

01:57:57.000 Yeah, it looks like intestine, dude. 0.69

01:57:59.000 It's gross.

01:58:00.000 So that's what comes out after you're done.

01:58:02.000 Your nutrients have to go through that to get it.

01:58:05.000 How long...

01:58:06.000 Well, maybe I'll do that right after I'm done with Sober October.

01:58:09.000 But Google the Master Cleanse.

01:58:10.000 How many days?

01:58:11.000 Because you're drinking a tea of like maple syrup, lemon, and cayenne pepper.

01:58:14.000 For how many days?

01:58:15.000 I kind of like it.

01:58:16.000 I did it for 10 days.

01:58:17.000 10 days?

01:58:18.000 No food, just that?

01:58:19.000 Yeah.

01:58:19.000 Whoa.

01:58:20.000 Yeah.

01:58:21.000 But I got that stuff coming out after about five days because I was really aggressive with the...

01:58:25.000 You do a saltwater flush every day, every morning.

01:58:28.000 Yeah?

01:58:28.000 And then you take this smooth move tea that makes you kind of like go to the bathroom.

01:58:32.000 Well, I'll tell you one thing that I have been doing because I've been sweating so much.

01:58:36.000 I videotaped one day the sweat puddles that I left in the gym. 0.98

01:58:40.000 It's fucking insane. 0.98

01:58:41.000 I watched that. 0.99

01:58:41.000 And then I set off my alarm, my fire alarm in my gym from my sweat. 0.99

01:58:46.000 And today it was so bad.

01:58:48.000 That was when you lapped the field of your friends.

01:58:50.000 Yeah.

01:58:50.000 Today was so bad, because today I did the longest that I've ever worked out.

01:58:56.000 I know your nutrition's good, too, but you've got to be thinking about what's going out and what you've got to put back in.

01:59:01.000 Well, that's one of the things.

01:59:02.000 I've been drinking water with electrolytes, and I'm adding salt.

01:59:07.000 I'm adding Himalayan salt to the water, but I maybe added too much.

01:59:14.000 And when I talk about just...

01:59:16.000 Forget diarrhea.

01:59:18.000 It's not really diarrhea.

01:59:19.000 It's basically... 0.99

01:59:20.000 Basically, that water coming out of my ass. 1.00

01:59:23.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:59:24.000 Because it's, I mean, it would be like, I would feel it.

01:59:27.000 You don't pee it out.

01:59:28.000 Uh-oh.

01:59:29.000 Boom! 1.00

01:59:29.000 It was like opening floodgates and gallons of water would come out of my asshole. 1.00

01:59:33.000 Most people should do that like once or twice a month. 1.00

01:59:36.000 Two teaspoons of salt in one liter of water or a quart of water.

01:59:40.000 Bang.

01:59:40.000 And your body sees it as food, not as pee.

01:59:43.000 Right.

01:59:43.000 And it just cleans you out.

01:59:45.000 In a half an hour.

01:59:45.000 That's what I did.

01:59:46.000 You better stay home for that one.

01:59:47.000 I wasn't staying home. 0.98

01:59:48.000 I would just jump off the treadmill for five minutes, take a volumous shit of water. 1.00

01:59:53.000 It was basically water coming out of my asshole, but it probably cleans up a lot, right? 1.00

01:59:57.000 It cleans it out. 0.99

01:59:59.000 There was a lot of weird stuff floating around in there.

02:00:01.000 I didn't know what that was.

02:00:02.000 Your body uses so much energy for digestion.

02:00:05.000 Yeah.

02:00:05.000 But I got these guys I follow online that do water fasts like every month, and they're doing a five to ten day water fast coming up this week.

02:00:13.000 I don't think I'm participating in that one, but I want to do a fast soon.

02:00:16.000 So how much did you look forward to that drink, the tea with the lemon?

02:00:20.000 I mean, if you're not having any calories.

02:00:22.000 Yeah, I really enjoyed it.

02:00:23.000 Did you lose a lot of weight?

02:00:24.000 I lost...

02:00:25.000 Yeah, I didn't weigh myself, but I think I lost 10 to 12 pounds.

02:00:29.000 That's a lot.

02:00:30.000 Yeah.

02:00:30.000 I looked really emaciated.

02:00:32.000 I was pretty shredded, but I was thin too, you know?

02:00:35.000 But then you build back at that first date I ate afterwards, you know, it was like the best food I ever had in my life.

02:00:42.000 You know, just like you've never eaten.

02:00:44.000 So you did 10 whole days of just the tea.

02:00:46.000 Yeah.

02:00:46.000 Wow.

02:00:47.000 And a saltwater flush every day.

02:00:49.000 And the Smooth Move tea, which I was doubling up on, because I didn't have the full 14 days, so I'm like, I've got to go fast.

02:00:55.000 But I was getting stomach cramps because I was drinking too much of that tea.

02:00:59.000 I'll try that.

02:01:00.000 I'll give that a shot.

02:01:01.000 At least Google it and look.

02:01:02.000 But when you can abstain from food, it's like you could quit heroin or something.

02:01:07.000 People are so addicted to food.

02:01:09.000 Look at people.

02:01:10.000 They're so addicted to food.

02:01:12.000 Well, that's one thing because of this. 0.94

02:01:13.000 The amount of calories that I'm consuming, like, let me tell you how much I burned today, because it's so goddamn insane.

02:01:19.000 That's amazing.

02:01:20.000 Today I burned, I mean, this doesn't even, it doesn't even seem real, but I burned 4,217 calories during this workout.

02:01:30.000 Yeah, that's...

02:01:30.000 Are you just circuiting the whole time?

02:01:33.000 Well, I ran the hills, I ran two miles with my dog in the hills, which, believe it or not, you don't get that many fucking points for it, because this thing sucks. 0.97

02:01:41.000 It's way harder than the other things that I'm doing, because it's basically straight up. 0.95

02:01:45.000 But I'm just trying to... 0.97

02:01:46.000 Two-year-old golden retriever and he's got so much goddamn energy. 0.99

02:01:51.000 He's the best, but I got to wear his ass out. 0.99

02:01:54.000 Otherwise, he annoys everybody and jumps up on people. 0.99

02:01:56.000 He just needs attention.

02:01:57.000 But when I run with him, he's just chill.

02:02:00.000 So I'll do two miles in the...

02:02:02.000 What do you got here?

02:02:03.000 I'm going to plug my buddy Sun Life.

02:02:05.000 I love this stuff.

02:02:06.000 What is this one?

02:02:07.000 That's a Dawn Patrol.

02:02:08.000 It's like cold brew coffee, coconut cream, coconut sugar.

02:02:15.000 Anyways, you go into my buddy's shop sometime.

02:02:17.000 I do.

02:02:17.000 I go in there all the time.

02:02:20.000 They have great acai.

02:02:21.000 They have great everything.

02:02:22.000 That place is awesome.

02:02:24.000 I go live there.

02:02:25.000 Sometimes I'll spend half the day there and get two of my meals.

02:02:28.000 He's got bone broth, too.

02:02:29.000 Bone broth.

02:02:30.000 I love the bone broth.

02:02:32.000 It's like his Khalil special.

02:02:33.000 Khalil style, yeah. 0.98

02:02:34.000 Yeah, with the cayenne pepper, and that's fucking sensational. 0.98

02:02:38.000 What was I saying? 0.97

02:02:39.000 Oh, but that's not good for that many points. 0.99

02:02:42.000 The system sucks. 0.97

02:02:43.000 The output is not gauging. 1.00

02:02:45.000 Going uphill, it's like...

02:02:46.000 It's more grinding.

02:02:48.000 It's like if you get to 80% of your max heart rate and just grind.

02:02:53.000 You guys got money on this thing?

02:02:54.000 No, just the belt.

02:02:55.000 Just the belt, yeah.

02:02:56.000 Yeah, and bragging rights.

02:02:58.000 Yeah, you'll be like Khabib. 0.99

02:02:59.000 You'll be like, where's my belt?

02:03:00.000 Give me my belt.

02:03:01.000 That's all I want. 1.00

02:03:02.000 This is number one bullshit. 0.99

02:03:03.000 Send me a location. 1.00

02:03:05.000 Send me a location.

02:03:06.000 Kelly, I'm glad we finally did this, brother.

02:03:07.000 Me too, man.

02:03:08.000 Thanks a lot.

02:03:08.000 Appreciate it, man.

02:03:08.000 Thanks for being here, man.

02:03:09.000 Thanks, Joe.

02:03:09.000 It's awesome.

02:03:10.000 Thanks, you guys.

02:03:10.000 All right, we'll be back tomorrow, folks.

02:03:12.000 We got two.

02:03:13.000 Two tomorrow.

02:03:14.000 And my round-earth shirt.

02:03:15.000 Thank you.

02:03:16.000 Yeah, round-earth shill.

02:03:18.000 Marcus Brownlee will be here at 10, and Kyle Kalinske will be here at 1. So, see you tomorrow.

02:03:25.000 Bye!

02:03:27.000 Oh! 0.60

The Joe Rogan Experience - October 22, 2018

Joe Rogan Experience #1185 - Kelly Slater

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