The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1301- Laird Hamilton

00:00:02.000 And we're live.

00:00:03.000 How are you, sir?

00:00:04.000 What's going on, man?

00:00:05.000 Very well, thank you.

00:00:05.000 First of all, thank you very much for the coffee machine.

00:00:08.000 I just learned that it's turmeric.

00:00:10.000 I used to say turmeric.

00:00:12.000 I used to not even think there was an R in there for some strange reason.

00:00:16.000 Well, in Hawaii, it's Olena, so it just depends on which country you're in, yeah.

00:00:20.000 It's a root, right?

00:00:22.000 Yeah, it's in the ginger family.

00:00:24.000 And is it, why do they call it Olena?

00:00:26.000 That's just a Hawaiian name.

00:00:28.000 I mean, the Indians probably have another, you know, in India it's probably one of the most used, you know, roots.

00:00:36.000 It's in every, all Indian foods is full of it.

00:00:38.000 Yeah, it's really healthy for you, right?

00:00:41.000 It's great for inflammation.

00:00:42.000 Yeah, and gut health, too.

00:00:44.000 So you gave me this Laird Superfoods coffee machine, and I'm addicted to this now, this coffee with turmeric.

00:00:52.000 I've never had it before.

00:00:53.000 Well, there's some other minerals and stuff in there, too.

00:00:56.000 So if you're addicted to it, it's because there's things that are good for you.

00:00:59.000 Yeah, like I crave it.

00:01:00.000 Yeah.

00:01:00.000 Like it seems like something I should be drinking.

00:01:01.000 Well, your body wants it.

00:01:02.000 Yeah.

00:01:03.000 You know, I think sometimes people think cravings are based on negative, like, oh, it's bad because I crave it.

00:01:09.000 But I think cravings are natural. 0.92

00:01:11.000 But we abuse it when we use garbage.

00:01:15.000 But when you're craving something like that, I mean, there's a bunch of minerals and a bunch of good fats, and there's a bunch of good stuff in there.

00:01:23.000 Yeah, it's hard to tell though, right?

00:01:24.000 Like sometimes you crave sugar.

00:01:26.000 Sometimes you crave ice cream.

00:01:28.000 There's some cravings that are not good, but other ones are.

00:01:32.000 Exactly.

00:01:32.000 But the system of craving, I believe, is part of a natural human thing that we have that was meant to crave good things, but we abuse it because sugar in nature is meant to be safe.

00:01:45.000 That means it's safe to eat.

00:01:46.000 Right, right, right.

00:01:48.000 But then we abuse it by disguising a bunch of garbage with sugar and then people think, oh, that's great to eat.

00:01:56.000 That makes sense.

00:01:56.000 Yeah, because whenever I lift weights, I crave protein.

00:01:59.000 I crave like fish or chicken or steak or something.

00:02:02.000 Yeah.

00:02:02.000 Well, you're beating up muscles.

00:02:04.000 You want protein.

00:02:05.000 Yeah, but it's an instantaneous craving.

00:02:07.000 It's like right away, I'm like, oh, I've got to eat something.

00:02:11.000 So you've got me cranking the sauna up.

00:02:14.000 Your wife told me that you crank yours up to 220 degrees.

00:02:17.000 Is that real?

00:02:18.000 That's real. 1.00

00:02:19.000 God damn, man. 0.99

00:02:19.000 I get to 210, and I'm like, how long do you do at 220? 0.99

00:02:23.000 Well, it depends on how cold you go into it.

00:02:26.000 Oh, okay.

00:02:27.000 So if your core temperature is weighed down, you can...

00:02:32.000 If you got off a stationary bike and your core was nice and hot and you went in there, you'd be lucky to get 10 or 15 minutes out.

00:02:40.000 If you come out of an ice tub or you've been outside with minimal clothing, you could go in there for 20 minutes at 220. So it just depends on where your core is.

00:02:53.000 Is that how you do it?

00:02:54.000 You do from an ice bath?

00:02:56.000 I will do it from a nice path.

00:02:58.000 I think you just break it up.

00:03:00.000 It's just like anything, any kind of training.

00:03:02.000 You just want to constantly stress the system.

00:03:05.000 And if you're used to a certain pattern, go into it hot.

00:03:08.000 Like if you go into a sauna hot, coming off of some cardio, it's twice as hot.

00:03:13.000 If you go in cold, then you can go for a longer period of time.

00:03:17.000 And same with the ice.

00:03:18.000 I mean, if you go into the ice cold, the ice will tap you.

00:03:21.000 If you go in hot, you can be there.

00:03:23.000 It's Yeah, they're doing some studies now on hot yoga out of Harvard.

00:03:26.000 They're trying to figure out if hot yoga mimics the positive health effects of sauna.

00:03:31.000 And so the idea is that because you're straining and resisting, it feels much hotter than 104 degrees.

00:03:37.000 If you had a sauna that was 104, 105 degrees, it'd be nothing.

00:03:40.000 For sure.

00:03:41.000 But yoga at 105 degrees is pretty rough.

00:03:43.000 Rough.

00:03:44.000 Well, because again, core temperature is hot.

00:03:46.000 So we do some stationary bikes in the sauna.

00:03:48.000 Oh, wow.

00:03:49.000 And that, I mean, that's just, it's like you can always up the ante.

00:03:53.000 You know, it's like a weight stack.

00:03:54.000 You just slap more lead on there.

00:03:56.000 And we'll do, we'll do, we'll go in this with an assault bike.

00:04:00.000 I have an assault bike in one of the saunas and we'll crank that thing up.

00:04:03.000 And, you know, I mean, you're lucky.

00:04:05.000 You might be five or ten minutes in your, your...

00:04:08.000 But I think, you know, we're such good adapters.

00:04:11.000 Our adaptation is amazing.

00:04:14.000 And you do some stuff for a while.

00:04:16.000 I think pretty soon you're like, oh, I can handle an assault bike at a survivable pace, you know.

00:04:23.000 Yeah, survival.

00:04:24.000 That's a rough machine.

00:04:26.000 Rough machine.

00:04:26.000 I have the Rogue version, the Echo Bike.

00:04:29.000 That thing is fantastic.

00:04:30.000 I love it.

00:04:31.000 For sure.

00:04:32.000 Well, it's all four limbs.

00:04:33.000 Yeah, all four limbs.

00:04:34.000 It's one of my all-time...

00:04:35.000 Two Tabatas.

00:04:36.000 I do Tabata sprints on it.

00:04:38.000 My all-time favorite method of cardio.

00:04:39.000 I love it.

00:04:40.000 For sure.

00:04:40.000 Well, low impact on the system.

00:04:42.000 You're not beating the joints up.

00:04:44.000 All four things are working.

00:04:46.000 You could throw in some nose breathing in there or something and breath-holding intervals or something just to...

00:04:52.000 Yeah.

00:04:52.000 Pain and suffering.

00:04:54.000 You were explaining nose breathing to me out there.

00:04:56.000 Yeah.

00:04:57.000 How nose breathing is better.

00:04:59.000 Better for you.

00:05:00.000 Because of?

00:05:00.000 Well, first of all, you were designed to breathe.

00:05:03.000 Your sinuses and your nose were designed for breathing.

00:05:06.000 And so you actually emit a gas in your sinuses, from my understanding, a gas called nitric oxide, which is a vasodilator.

00:05:15.000 It helps you absorb oxygen.

00:05:16.000 So by breathing through your nose, plus you reduce the amount of intake that you have, and that gets you CO2 tolerant.

00:05:23.000 So all of a sudden you're breathing less volume.

00:05:26.000 I mean, you know from the fight game, as soon as a guy goes to mouth breathing, you're like, he's toast.

00:05:31.000 You know that, right?

00:05:32.000 That's your first giveaway.

00:05:33.000 Yeah.

00:05:33.000 So, your ability to deal with stress and breathe through your nose.

00:05:37.000 I mean, everybody should be breathing through their nose, in their sleep, walking around.

00:05:43.000 I mean, somehow we became mouth breathers in the last 200 years, and they're not sure why.

00:05:48.000 There's a great book called The Oxygen Advantage by Patrick McDougall that he actually is on our board of XPT, but he kind of realized that our issues really stem from mouth breathing, chronic We're good to go.

00:06:19.000 Interesting.

00:06:20.000 So smaller amounts by breathing through the nose actually makes you absorb more oxygen.

00:06:25.000 Well, keeps your tolerance.

00:06:26.000 Keeps your tolerance.

00:06:26.000 Yeah, but definitely gets your CO2 tolerant up, but the smaller volume helps your body become more tolerant of higher levels of CO2. But the sinuses themselves emit a gas that helps the lung absorb the oxygen, and that's what I've been led to understand.

00:06:42.000 I had a broken nose until I was 40. My nose was useless.

00:06:45.000 I couldn't get anything out of it.

00:06:47.000 It had been broken like who knows how many times.

00:06:50.000 And the inside was all caked up with scar tissue and calcified.

00:06:54.000 And when I got it fixed, it was like the world changed.

00:06:57.000 It was like...

00:06:58.000 I couldn't do that.

00:06:59.000 I just couldn't breathe out of my nose.

00:07:01.000 I would go to yoga class.

00:07:02.000 They'd tell me to breathe out of my nose.

00:07:03.000 I'm like, I don't have one.

00:07:04.000 I could smell farts.

00:07:05.000 That's it.

00:07:06.000 I could smell gas and gasoline.

00:07:08.000 It has to be rough for me to smell it.

00:07:10.000 But now, I have a real nose.

00:07:12.000 I always encourage people, if you have a broken nose, please get that deviated septum fixed.

00:07:17.000 Well, you know, it's surprising if you start to nose breathe, even if you have struggle, because of that gas, it helps you open up.

00:07:24.000 A lot of people, I mean, I'm not saying that you have that, but a lot of people actually will gain volume after a few weeks of forcing themselves to nose breathe.

00:07:33.000 They'll actually start to open up all of that system.

00:07:36.000 That actually makes sense.

00:07:38.000 Your body will just adapt and try.

00:07:40.000 It forces it to open, but yeah, it's all about nose breathing.

00:07:44.000 Wow.

00:07:46.000 I just thought it was just more difficult, so it's probably a good thing to do for discipline.

00:07:50.000 Absolutely.

00:07:50.000 And if you can do your cardio and retain a nose breath, you have another gear.

00:07:57.000 Because then when you go to mouth, it's like having a blower in your car or something.

00:08:02.000 You open up the air, and it's a whole new game.

00:08:06.000 So by being able to sustain a high output with nose breathing...

00:08:10.000 And like I said, it's all about the tolerance for CO2. It's how much CO2 you can handle in your system.

00:08:16.000 That's why altitude screws people up because the CO2 jacks up and they don't have a tolerance and then you get all wonky and you feel like crap.

00:08:23.000 Yeah, and it's interesting you're talking about cravings, because one of the things that I've noticed since I've been, I cranked up the temperature in the sauna for the first week to 200 degrees, and I've been doing 210 for the last few days.

00:08:36.000 And you crave it now.

00:08:37.000 I crave it. 0.99

00:08:38.000 Like, when I'm at home, I'm like, I can't wait to get back in that goddamn sauna again. 0.99

00:08:41.000 Meanwhile, when I'm in there, I can't wait to get out. 0.98

00:08:44.000 It's weird.

00:08:45.000 There within lies the struggle.

00:08:47.000 Yeah.

00:08:47.000 I mean, the ice is the same way.

00:08:48.000 Like, I have an addiction to ice, and I've, you know, recently I've been, just came back from Hawaii, and I'm, like, dealing with this ice machines broken down.

00:08:56.000 I'm waiting for the new one.

00:08:57.000 I keep calling the guy and go, hey, when are you going to put the thing in?

00:08:59.000 And he's thinking it's, like, a luxury, like, yeah, you know, you got to, what do you need an ice machine at your house for?

00:09:04.000 I mean, because I have two, like, restaurant-sized ones.

00:09:07.000 Two of them?

00:09:07.000 Yeah.

00:09:08.000 Well, I have a lot of friends.

00:09:10.000 But he's like, what do you need that for?

00:09:12.000 And I'm like, just get, you know, he's got the tubs.

00:09:15.000 I'm like, I need, but my body craves, you get it.

00:09:18.000 Listen, your body is just craving the things that are bringing the hormones and doing, I mean, it's like why you crave exercise.

00:09:26.000 You know, I have a theory that the reason why people are hooked to cardio activity is because it's forced breathing.

00:09:33.000 Right.

00:09:47.000 I feel like there's probably several factors, because also I feel like when I'm really consistent with my workouts, I know that I'm gaining momentum, and I know like, ah, you know, I'm consistent, everything's going great, I'm in great shape right now, I gotta keep pushing this.

00:10:00.000 Yeah.

00:10:00.000 That feels like, it feels like just positive results are being achieved, and you sort of get addicted to success.

00:10:08.000 But also, too, the body, the adaptation, if you ever put yourself under some real severe stress in multiple days, the first day you feel like you're not going to be able to make it, the second day you're feeling like you really can't make it, the third, pretty soon the fourth day, the body's like, oh, this is the new house we're living in?

00:10:24.000 Like, this is where we're at?

00:10:25.000 Okay, well, we're going to adapt and modify, and then pretty soon you're doing even more than you were doing the first couple days, and you're not even feeling it.

00:10:32.000 And so it's like, we're an amazing...

00:10:36.000 An amazing machine, you know, we're an amazing creature.

00:10:40.000 Just the way we can handle the load, and especially in our new world where we, you know, don't have to do much.

00:10:47.000 Yeah, unless we want to.

00:10:50.000 Do you know who Eddie Izzard is?

00:10:52.000 Yeah.

00:10:52.000 The comedian?

00:10:53.000 Yeah.

00:10:53.000 He ran a series of marathons all around the UK and he did one in South Africa.

00:10:58.000 And he was on two weeks ago and he was telling me that when you first started doing it, like the first few were really hard, but then your body's like, well, this is what we do.

00:11:07.000 We run marathons.

00:11:08.000 And then like day three, day four, things started picking up, day five.

00:11:12.000 And by the time day 10 came along, he's just running.

00:11:14.000 For sure.

00:11:15.000 For sure.

00:11:15.000 I got a friend ran 125 in a row and then he ran the Boston after that.

00:11:19.000 Yeah.

00:11:21.000 And then he had a fight in Vegas, and he ran a marathon in the morning, and then he knocked the guy out in the third round after.

00:11:27.000 He ran a marathon in the morning and then fought that day? 1.00

00:11:31.000 Holy shit! 1.00

00:11:32.000 Who is this? 1.00

00:11:33.000 Tom Jones.

00:11:34.000 Yeah, Muay Thai.

00:11:35.000 Seven-time Muay Thai world champion.

00:11:36.000 Jesus Christ, Tom Jones.

00:11:38.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:11:38.000 What the fuck, man? 1.00

00:11:39.000 You run a marathon the day you fight? 1.00

00:11:41.000 Imagine if a dude knocked you out after you ran a marathon.

00:11:43.000 I'd be like, I'm done.

00:11:45.000 This is not me.

00:11:47.000 I'm going to learn how to play golf. 1.00

00:11:49.000 Fuck this. 1.00

00:11:50.000 Yeah, Muay Thai. 1.00

00:11:51.000 Fuck this and fuck Tom Jones. 1.00

00:11:53.000 That's crazy. 1.00

00:11:55.000 So he ran 125 marathons in a row.

00:11:58.000 So 125 days of marathons?

00:12:00.000 To Boston and then he ran the Boston when he got there.

00:12:03.000 He ran across the country.

00:12:05.000 What?

00:12:06.000 He ran across the country.

00:12:07.000 So that's how he got there?

00:12:08.000 Yeah!

00:12:10.000 So he ran a marathon, took a nap, ate some food, ran a marathon, took a nap, ate some food. 1.00

00:12:15.000 What the fuck? 0.99

00:12:17.000 But it just shows you that ability to adapt and what we can do. 1.00

00:12:24.000 It's amazing how the body will just, when you push it and you keep, it'll just be like, it'll ramp.

00:12:29.000 And I think for us in our new world that we live in, that seems so...

00:12:36.000 Crazy, but probably in the past we were like, oh yeah, well we went all the way down to South America and we did some hunting down there and then we, you know, trekked a marathon or two per day and we came all the way back to Alaska, you know, like.

00:12:48.000 Right, right.

00:12:49.000 You know, like that was just our life.

00:12:51.000 Yeah.

00:12:51.000 Well, especially when they used to persistence hunt, you know, when they would just run an animal down.

00:12:56.000 Yeah.

00:12:57.000 Because animals are great for sprints.

00:12:58.000 Yeah.

00:12:59.000 Especially like gazelles and things along those lines.

00:13:01.000 Yeah.

00:13:01.000 But you know what the real technique really is based on?

00:13:04.000 Is that our breathing.

00:13:06.000 That breathing is what gives us...

00:13:08.000 We have an ability to adjust our breath so we can actually adjust how many times we breathe per motion where a lot of these animals are breathing for a rep.

00:13:17.000 Every rep is a breath.

00:13:18.000 So every step is...

00:13:20.000 And we can do multiple steps in one breath, and so that's why we can outrun a horse.

00:13:27.000 At the end of the day, you always see in the cowboy movies, the horse is laying dead in the desert, and the guy's still going along, but because those mammals are breathing, every breath is a rep.

00:13:37.000 And you imagine how tiring that is.

00:13:39.000 Like you hear a horse run, sh-sh-sh-sh-sh.

00:13:41.000 Right?

00:13:41.000 They're breathing.

00:13:42.000 And we're rerunning full speed, but we can just do a breath and then do five or six or eight reps, and that gives us that endurance.

00:13:50.000 That's why we can run those gazelles down, because those guys are just breathed out. 0.89

00:13:56.000 That's interesting.

00:13:57.000 Well, I'm always very appreciative of guys like you that are in my age range.

00:14:02.000 You're 55, right?

00:14:04.000 I'm 51. Speed limit.

00:14:05.000 Yeah, speed limit.

00:14:07.000 But you're also very fit and very active and you keep going, whereas a lot of guys around 55, like, it's a wrap.

00:14:15.000 Turn off the car.

00:14:16.000 Yeah, there's not much in the tank.

00:14:18.000 And so I like to see guys that are in my age bracket who are a little bit ahead of me, like, oh, he's going.

00:14:24.000 I can keep going too.

00:14:25.000 I think a lot of that is just thinking and knowing that you can.

00:14:30.000 Because I think so many people feel like, hey, I'm 45. It's time to settle down.

00:14:34.000 It's time to relax and wind down this exercise.

00:14:40.000 People use that as a disclaimer to not do the work.

00:14:43.000 It's like now I'm 45, so now I'm too old.

00:14:47.000 For me, I think that's a way out.

00:14:50.000 That's a way to go, hey, I don't want to do the work anymore.

00:14:55.000 One of my best friends just passed this last year, and he was 85 when he passed.

00:15:01.000 I mean, he did the Ironman 10 times.

00:15:02.000 The first time was when he was 50. And then he's done the Race Across America three times.

00:15:08.000 I mean, he was just an animal.

00:15:09.000 Bang iron every day, ride the bike.

00:15:12.000 At 85, he was doing all that still?

00:15:14.000 An animal.

00:15:16.000 An animal till the day he died.

00:15:17.000 I was like...

00:15:18.000 And his name was...

00:15:19.000 And the irony was his name was Don Wildman.

00:15:22.000 And so, like, that's his given name.

00:15:24.000 No, I'm serious.

00:15:25.000 That's his...

00:15:25.000 That's amazing.

00:15:26.000 His given name.

00:15:27.000 I go, anybody named the Wildman's got to keep it up.

00:15:29.000 But he was, you know, like you're talking about...

00:15:34.000 Yeah.

00:15:57.000 Like, hey, now you're too old.

00:15:58.000 Oh, yeah, you're going to keep doing that?

00:16:00.000 It's like, yeah, you're going to do it all the way until they throw the dirt on the box.

00:16:04.000 We're going all the way full speed until we're not, and then when we're not, we're not.

00:16:08.000 What did Mr. Wildman die of?

00:16:12.000 Eventually, it was a cancer that he couldn't fight through chemo, but it was within a couple weeks.

00:16:19.000 He just shut it down.

00:16:21.000 It was at one point...

00:16:24.000 He was a little bit like the Ever-Ready Bunny and Humpty Dumpty.

00:16:27.000 He would just double knee surgery.

00:16:32.000 He had a broken leg and he'd be on a stationary bike with a crutch on one of the pedals.

00:16:36.000 And he'd be pedaling and crutching on the other leg.

00:16:39.000 I mean, he was just absolutely...

00:16:42.000 Out of his mind.

00:16:44.000 And the doctors would be like, oh, you're healing faster than a 30-year-old.

00:16:47.000 And I'm like, yeah, because he's just a cardio monster.

00:16:50.000 And so he's getting that blood flow.

00:16:52.000 And we were helicopter snowboarding in Chile last summer, not this one, but the one before.

00:16:59.000 And I was with the guide, and the guy goes, hey, how old is your buddy?

00:17:04.000 And I'm like, he's 84. And he looked at me, and he's like, yeah, no, but how old is he?

00:17:09.000 And I'm like, he's 84. And he's like...

00:17:12.000 Yeah, he's 84. Like, check it out, buddy.

00:17:15.000 He's going fakie and like, I mean, you know. 0.98

00:17:19.000 But he was our, you know, he was our poster child.

00:17:22.000 He's our guy.

00:17:23.000 We look at, we go.

00:17:24.000 I mean, and I've had a few of those, I think, you know, that I've been exposed to in my life where there's guys that just – those are the guys that I always admired.

00:17:32.000 I always admired the guys that just were – Right.

00:17:53.000 Yeah, we have these preconceived notions of what it's like to be 30, what it's like to be 50, what it's like to be 85. And some people are like, yeah, you can fuck that. 0.99

00:18:02.000 I'm not interested. 1.00

00:18:03.000 Yeah, because they're never looking at age as some like...

00:18:09.000 Right, right,

00:18:38.000 right.

00:18:38.000 And that's why I think a lot of people look forward to retirement, right?

00:18:41.000 They look forward to those golden years where they're just holding hands and walking towards the sunset.

00:18:46.000 Just jump on a sword.

00:18:48.000 I mean, at that point, then you're just alive dead.

00:18:54.000 You know, you're dead, but you're alive.

00:18:57.000 But I think some people look forward to some day where they don't have to struggle.

00:19:02.000 Then they can't be on earth.

00:19:04.000 Yeah.

00:19:05.000 You can't be...

00:19:07.000 Well, you can.

00:19:08.000 I mean, like, I'm sorry.

00:19:09.000 The system is a little bit designed to struggle.

00:19:12.000 Everything that we do that's good for us has a certain amount of stress.

00:19:15.000 It's like, you want to get in that sauna?

00:19:17.000 You want to get on that salt bike?

00:19:18.000 You want to jump in that ring?

00:19:19.000 You want to hike that mountain?

00:19:20.000 It's all stress-driven.

00:19:21.000 And the fact is, that's our universe.

00:19:23.000 That's the universe we live in.

00:19:26.000 And so if you got some other...

00:19:27.000 And I appreciate, let's hack our way through it.

00:19:31.000 And I think there's ways that hacking supports us.

00:19:34.000 We can hack our way, but only support the things that we're doing.

00:19:37.000 Yeah.

00:19:37.000 But thinking that you can just hack your way through and not actually suffer, it's impossible.

00:19:42.000 You just, you gotta suffer.

00:19:45.000 I also think you don't appreciate the good times unless you suffer.

00:19:50.000 Absolutely.

00:19:51.000 I think I appreciate food more when I work out.

00:19:54.000 I appreciate life more.

00:19:56.000 I like doing things more when I struggle.

00:19:59.000 Absolutely.

00:20:00.000 I can tell you, I know sitting down is an incredible thing.

00:20:04.000 Like when you go, wow, this feels so good.

00:20:06.000 Just to sit down.

00:20:07.000 Yeah, because you're straining so hard.

00:20:10.000 Yeah, for sure.

00:20:11.000 But a lot of people don't recognize that.

00:20:13.000 That's a lesson I think people really need to get drilled into their head.

00:20:16.000 It's not that tricky.

00:20:18.000 Right.

00:20:18.000 No, I'm just saying, this isn't rocket science.

00:20:20.000 This isn't like elaborate.

00:20:21.000 It's available for everybody.

00:20:22.000 Just move.

00:20:23.000 Yeah, just move.

00:20:24.000 Just keep going.

00:20:25.000 Drive it hard.

00:20:26.000 And I can promise you, you'll sleep better.

00:20:30.000 Like everybody, we have a lot of sleeping issues right now.

00:20:33.000 And I'm just like, well, people aren't tired enough.

00:20:36.000 My daughter was like, oh yeah, having a hard time sleeping, and now she's been banging tennis balls seven hours a day, and I'll tell you, she's not having a problem sleeping now.

00:20:43.000 She's sleeping real well.

00:20:45.000 I'm like, yeah.

00:20:47.000 I think a lot of it's this lack of movement.

00:20:50.000 We just stop moving.

00:20:51.000 Yeah, and then your brain races because your body's not getting exhausted, so you develop all this anxiety and all this weirdness.

00:20:59.000 Hunter-Gatherers did not have the need for Ambien.

00:21:02.000 I guarantee it.

00:21:03.000 There was no melatonin.

00:21:05.000 There was no need.

00:21:07.000 Yeah, the melatonin was created in their retina from staring at the sun in the early morning light.

00:21:13.000 I mean, they were up, they were moving, and they were up early, and they were going until dark, and at dark it was time to lay down, and then you just did that, and you were not, sleep issues weren't a problem back then.

00:21:25.000 It's interesting.

00:21:26.000 I'm learning from my dog, because my dog is up first thing in the morning when the sun is up, and then when it starts getting dark out, once he eats, man, he's just laying down.

00:21:36.000 He's like, what's up?

00:21:37.000 I'm just chilling over here.

00:21:38.000 Oh, yeah.

00:21:39.000 And I'm constantly studying my dog.

00:21:42.000 I would have brought him, but he's getting his nails done today.

00:21:46.000 Is he really?

00:21:46.000 Yeah.

00:21:47.000 Yeah, well, because he's just ripping up the floor.

00:21:49.000 He's got some hooks, but...

00:21:51.000 But I watch him never leaves his bed without stretching first.

00:21:54.000 In the morning, first thing, up dog, down dog.

00:21:57.000 Full up, down dog.

00:21:58.000 And then full speed, 80 miles an hour, like a little rocket.

00:22:01.000 And then just right to the couch and lay down.

00:22:03.000 And then just be totally sleeping.

00:22:05.000 And then just up, full speed, back to the couch and lay down.

00:22:07.000 I go, there's something to be said about that thing.

00:22:10.000 A little stretch, full speed, lay down.

00:22:12.000 Full speed, lay down.

00:22:13.000 But no warm up.

00:22:15.000 No warm up.

00:22:16.000 But people need warm up.

00:22:18.000 Do you agree?

00:22:19.000 I don't know.

00:22:20.000 I don't know about warm-up.

00:22:22.000 I think warm-up is being alive.

00:22:24.000 I think, you know, I mean, we never warmed up.

00:22:29.000 What's that?

00:22:30.000 What about if you're going to lift something heavy?

00:22:32.000 Do you think that you should warm the muscles up first?

00:22:35.000 Well, I think if you set the thing up and you put everything on and you set it all up, you're already starting to warm up.

00:22:40.000 And if you're psyching up and getting your brain ready to do something aggressive, I think that you've already, the adrenaline's already going and you got a lot of stuff.

00:22:49.000 I mean, if you just get up off a chair and walk over and try to grab a giant bar with a bunch of weight on it and lift it, that might be a problem.

00:22:57.000 But that wouldn't be, you would never do that.

00:23:00.000 In nature, when you were going to lift something heavy, usually there'd be some lead up to it, whether you walked to the place that you were going to and you got the thing.

00:23:08.000 I don't know.

00:23:11.000 I think there's mixed opinions about people say don't stretch before you work out.

00:23:17.000 That's been the most recent thing.

00:23:18.000 Before, it used to be loosen up before you work out.

00:23:20.000 I'm like...

00:23:21.000 I mean, my dog does up dog, down dog, and that's only after he's laying down.

00:23:26.000 And then he just goes full speed.

00:23:29.000 Well, I know that if I do Muay Thai, if I'm hitting the bag or something like that, I don't go hard at first.

00:23:35.000 I break a sweat.

00:23:36.000 I do the first two rounds, I'm just shadowboxing.

00:23:40.000 I mean, I don't full blast the bag until I'm sweaty.

00:23:44.000 But that's just my thoughts.

00:23:46.000 I mean, I feel like that's the way you're supposed to do it.

00:23:49.000 That's what I've always been told.

00:23:51.000 I think I would connect that more to part of is because of what we are now.

00:23:57.000 Because we're sedentary.

00:24:00.000 We're not fully in our nature essence.

00:24:06.000 We're not wild.

00:24:08.000 If we were wild, I think we wouldn't need as much any warm-up.

00:24:11.000 When you're wild, you don't need a warm-up.

00:24:13.000 But I think because we're not moving as much, because if you're moving all the time, you'd already be warmed up.

00:24:20.000 I would like to see a human from like 5,000 years ago.

00:24:23.000 I'd love to be around like a hunter-gatherer and see what they looked like.

00:24:27.000 Their pain threshold was crazy, first of all.

00:24:30.000 What they could endure. 0.99

00:24:31.000 You know their pain threshold was just ridiculous.

00:24:34.000 Like broken arm and be like, we'd still be operating with broken stuff, no problem.

00:24:38.000 Yeah, what did they do?

00:24:39.000 They just kind of like tied it up or something.

00:24:41.000 I mean, I don't know what they did.

00:24:42.000 That was when they advanced into medical.

00:24:45.000 Right, right.

00:24:46.000 Yeah, right?

00:24:47.000 A lot of them probably just hobbled around until it didn't hurt as much.

00:24:50.000 Well, that's where inflammation came in.

00:24:52.000 Everything got inflamed so they would hold it naturally.

00:24:55.000 The body would hold it in position.

00:24:57.000 I mean, inflammation is designed to kind of immobilize it, cast it.

00:25:02.000 If it was your ankle, it would just get so swollen it couldn't move, but they'd still be on it.

00:25:06.000 They'd still be rolling.

00:25:07.000 It's just they wouldn't be moving it around because the body would naturally...

00:25:12.000 Do that.

00:25:12.000 The future of humans does not look so rosy when you really think about how we're slowly deteriorating, becoming these gelatinous balls of meat and tissue.

00:25:22.000 And the bodies are connected to the brains.

00:25:24.000 And so that's why we have some mind issues, too.

00:25:27.000 Because at the end of the day, the bodies aren't functioning correctly, so it's not feeding the brain correctly.

00:25:32.000 And so the brain, that's why we, I mean, I think that when you're really physically well, then your thoughts are physically well.

00:25:39.000 I think it definitely helps.

00:25:42.000 But people do not like to hear that.

00:25:44.000 Do you notice that?

00:25:45.000 Have you noticed that?

00:25:46.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:25:48.000 You seem like a happy guy.

00:25:50.000 I don't think you're on any medication.

00:25:53.000 But some people who are want to think like, no, no, no, I have a medical problem and I need this.

00:26:00.000 Even if they don't exercise, they go, no, no, no, you don't understand.

00:26:02.000 And then if I say, okay, but do you ever exercise?

00:26:05.000 They get mad at you.

00:26:06.000 Absolutely.

00:26:07.000 They get mad.

00:26:07.000 Absolutely.

00:26:08.000 You're suggesting I'm lazy.

00:26:10.000 You're suggesting I brought this upon myself because of my behavior.

00:26:14.000 No, I have a disease.

00:26:15.000 Yeah.

00:26:16.000 No, again, I think that's a disclaimer.

00:26:18.000 That's a way out to not have to be accountable.

00:26:21.000 Be accountable.

00:26:22.000 Like, hey, that if I was out doing, moving and doing things, that it would actually make this go away.

00:26:28.000 You know, I mean, I think that...

00:26:31.000 I think a lot of depression is connected to that.

00:26:35.000 I believe icing could cure a big portion of depression just because of the hormonal response to the system.

00:26:45.000 Normally, when people are depressed, it's connected to some sort of hormone imbalance.

00:26:50.000 And to have a doctor try to figure out what that is, it's pretty elaborate.

00:26:54.000 It's pretty tricky.

00:26:55.000 Well, they've shown in studies that regular exercise is as effective as SSRIs.

00:27:00.000 Or more.

00:27:02.000 Exactly.

00:27:03.000 I think also diet because of inflammation.

00:27:06.000 Inflammation for sure leads to all sorts of different ailments, which could lead to a depressed feeling, a feeling of unwellness.

00:27:14.000 Well, just eat a bunch of garbage for a week and see how you feel.

00:27:17.000 I'd be depressed. 0.97

00:27:19.000 Or just drink some layered superfood turmeric coffee. 1.00

00:27:23.000 This stuff's a shit, man. 0.99

00:27:25.000 So the sauna thing, what is the benefit of getting it that hot? 1.00

00:27:31.000 Because people are asking me and I'm like, I don't know.

00:27:33.000 Listen, honestly, my problem is that if a lot is good, then even more is better.

00:27:39.000 That's me.

00:27:40.000 That's my mentality.

00:27:41.000 That's what I think. 1.00

00:27:42.000 We're both stupid. 1.00

00:27:44.000 No, I'm just saying, if 10's good, then 20's got to be even better. 1.00

00:27:49.000 But I think part of it is the natural evolution.

00:27:52.000 If you're sitting there doing time at 180 degrees and you can go in there and you're hanging out, And then just 20 minutes, it's 30 minutes, you might as well just try to turn it up.

00:28:05.000 And my understanding is that the Europeans, I mean, you know, you look at a sweat lodge, and you, I mean, it ain't 180. You know, if you go into any kind of sweat lodge, if you go to Europe, all the saunas are much hotter.

00:28:18.000 Like, it's like you go into a Russian, you know, steam thing. 0.98

00:28:21.000 It's not like those things are, you know, I think that they're pretty conservative with it.

00:28:27.000 I think you just listen to your body.

00:28:28.000 Yeah.

00:28:28.000 If you go in there and you start hallucinating, you might want to step out.

00:28:32.000 You might be like, hey, maybe I ate something wrong or maybe I need to just give my body a break.

00:28:38.000 But I think you just use your own feeling as your guide.

00:28:45.000 And I know that if I'm properly hydrated before I go, my tolerance is substantially greater.

00:28:52.000 Like I can really measure.

00:28:53.000 I can be hydrated, go in and be like, oh yeah, no problem.

00:28:56.000 And I can go in dehydrated and feel wonky and be like, yeah, I'm not as good.

00:29:01.000 That makes sense.

00:29:02.000 I definitely have adapted.

00:29:03.000 I've definitely adapted to 200 degrees because when I go to yoga now, It does not seem nearly as hot.

00:29:09.000 105 degrees, even at the end of the class, I'm like, this is interesting.

00:29:12.000 I was thinking of the last class.

00:29:13.000 I was like, this doesn't feel that bad.

00:29:15.000 Exactly.

00:29:16.000 Yeah.

00:29:16.000 Well, that shows you right there that you're adapting and then all of a sudden your tolerance.

00:29:20.000 You know, a thing I really like about the sauna is I think it really plays into overheating as an athlete.

00:29:27.000 You know, you overheat and that's usually when you have issues, right?

00:29:31.000 As you overheat and then your performance is encumbered, right?

00:29:37.000 And so the more your tolerance is for the heat, the more you can handle overheating.

00:29:43.000 Pretty soon you don't overheat and then you just don't have that.

00:29:45.000 Because that's one of the factors that gets an athlete, I think, in any performance is you overheat.

00:29:51.000 Whether you're fighting or marathon running or basketball, any sport, when you start to overheat, That's usually when you're toast.

00:30:00.000 You're done.

00:30:01.000 You start losing your motor skills.

00:30:03.000 And if you can build that tolerance up, and I think, like you said, hey, if you go in 200 and 220, and then all of a sudden you're at yoga, you're at hot yoga, and it's 105, and you're just like...

00:30:14.000 Yeah, it seems like nothing.

00:30:16.000 Yeah.

00:30:16.000 It really does make a giant difference.

00:30:17.000 It does.

00:30:18.000 I've only been doing it at 200 for a couple months now.

00:30:20.000 Yeah.

00:30:20.000 Really, and 210 for, like I said, the last few days.

00:30:23.000 Yeah.

00:30:23.000 But you have been doing it this hot for how long?

00:30:26.000 Well, I've been doing it for a while.

00:30:28.000 Like, I've been doing it.

00:30:28.000 It's been over the last couple years.

00:30:30.000 You know, I did one...

00:30:31.000 I did a protocol that I heard on Dr. Rhonda Patrick's show, and it was holding a one-hour...

00:30:41.000 A one hour straight at somewhere between 170 to 180. Whoa.

00:30:46.000 So that's another, and if you do that 10 days in a row, I was doing it twice a day for 10 days in a row, and you're supposed to get like some 1600% hormonal boost, like your whole body just goes into this radical hormone boost.

00:31:01.000 So 170 to 180, somewhere in that range?

00:31:02.000 Yep.

00:31:03.000 Interesting.

00:31:03.000 One hour straight.

00:31:05.000 I was doing that and I did it twice a day for 10 days in a row.

00:31:09.000 And at the end of that, you got a different gear.

00:31:15.000 It's like all of a sudden you got OD in your gearbox.

00:31:20.000 Interesting.

00:31:21.000 Well, it definitely increases the red blood cell count, correct?

00:31:24.000 Absolutely.

00:31:25.000 I mean, I don't know all the science.

00:31:26.000 I just usually go off of instinct, and then sometimes it gets validated by science.

00:31:36.000 And so at the end, I mean, I think, and there really isn't any studies on it, but I truly believe that...

00:31:46.000 That heat is better after performance for recovery than ice.

00:31:51.000 I mean, I think ice is comfortable.

00:31:53.000 I had my...

00:31:54.000 I have a whole thing about pain, a relationship with pain, and I was doing a thing with...

00:31:59.000 I had a hip replacement, and I was set up to do all this icing before, and then I learned that icing suppressed the healing hormone.

00:32:10.000 IGF-1, there's a healing hormone that helps your body heal, and pain is...

00:32:14.000 Kicks that hormone off.

00:32:16.000 That's how the body knows.

00:32:17.000 So when you suppress pain, you stop that healing.

00:32:19.000 So you go on ice, you suppress that hormonal release of IGF-1, it's the healing hormone, and all of a sudden it's going to slow your healing down.

00:32:27.000 So if you do it because it makes you comfortable, like, hey, if you've been running around and you're overheating and you're going to go on an ice tub because it feels good, that's one thing.

00:32:35.000 But if you think that it's...

00:32:38.000 Going to benefit you.

00:32:39.000 I'm not sure.

00:32:40.000 I don't know yet.

00:32:40.000 I think heat could be the better benefit because you've got heat shock proteins which deal with damaged cells and all that stuff.

00:32:47.000 And I'm not listening.

00:32:48.000 This is just stuff that I hear that I'm feeling.

00:32:51.000 Full disclaimer, we're both not doctors.

00:32:52.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:32:53.000 Full, yeah.

00:32:54.000 Dennis Miller, this is my opinion.

00:32:55.000 I could be wrong, of course.

00:32:58.000 And then they talk about growth hormone, that your body produces growth hormone in the heat as another one of the side effects.

00:33:08.000 And so, again, from my understanding, and I'm not a doctor, so when I hear that, I go, well, then heat should be the thing you do because after every game, every football, every basketball player, every athlete goes right to the ice tub.

00:33:22.000 And they go, if you're going there for comfort, Okay, cool.

00:33:24.000 That's great.

00:33:25.000 But if you think that that's actually the thing that's really going to bring you the best recovery, maybe heat's going to bring you the best recovery, but it's going to be miserable because the last thing you want to do after you finish a workout is go sit in a hot box.

00:33:38.000 Right.

00:33:38.000 You're just not...

00:33:39.000 Yeah.

00:33:40.000 Interesting.

00:33:41.000 But for injuries, though, for injuries, they say you should reduce the inflammation.

00:33:45.000 But if what you're saying, that's interesting, right?

00:33:47.000 Well, the more pain, the more, you know, you know the old saying, no pain, no gain, right?

00:33:52.000 Is that true, though?

00:33:52.000 No pain, no gain.

00:33:54.000 No pain, no gain.

00:33:55.000 I mean, everything's painful.

00:33:56.000 Like, if you go in the heat, it's discomfort.

00:33:57.000 You go in a workout, you get sore.

00:33:59.000 I mean, no pain, no gain.

00:34:00.000 So if we go with the old, that old, you know, no pain, no gain. 0.93

00:34:04.000 I believe that the pain is associated with the healing because of that hormonal response that pain brings into you.

00:34:10.000 So I would attribute, like I had a fast recovery, but I attribute some of it is because I was not suppressing any of the pain.

00:34:19.000 So I think if you take pain meds, that's suppressing healing.

00:34:23.000 So if you say, hey, I'm so uncomfortable, I got to pop pain pills to endure this because it's so hard.

00:34:29.000 Well, then just extend the healing.

00:34:32.000 And the more you suppress the pain, no matter which way you do it, whether it's ice, pain pills, whatever it is, I believe the longer you extend the healing.

00:34:40.000 The more pain you can take.

00:34:42.000 I mean, inflammation is the marker for that healing hormone.

00:34:46.000 So again, reduce inflammation.

00:34:49.000 I don't know.

00:34:50.000 Again, I would like a doctor and somebody to tell me that really has a study that they know, that they've really looked at, to tell me that that's really working.

00:35:00.000 That the icing...

00:35:01.000 I mean, if you do it immediately, right when you get...

00:35:06.000 Snap your ankle and you go right in an ice bucket and keep it from fully, you know, inflaming?

00:35:11.000 Maybe.

00:35:12.000 In that instantaneous.

00:35:14.000 But doing it over days, I think that's just pain.

00:35:18.000 I think that's just comfortable.

00:35:19.000 Making it more comfortable.

00:35:20.000 That's interesting because you always see basketball players with ice on their shoulders, ice on their knees, like right after games.

00:35:26.000 Well, comfort.

00:35:27.000 Comfortable.

00:35:28.000 Yeah, I was just thinking they have to play so many games in a row, though.

00:35:31.000 Yeah, but it's also comfort.

00:35:32.000 I mean, I think it's because it feels good.

00:35:36.000 If your shoulder's all jacked up and you numb it, you know, just like a pain pill would do.

00:35:41.000 This is just a topical numbing.

00:35:43.000 Icing is just creating a...

00:35:44.000 You know the guy that created rice, which is like...

00:35:47.000 Rest ice, compression, elevation.

00:35:50.000 He came out last year and said, I was all wrong.

00:35:53.000 So, no, he did.

00:35:54.000 That guy came out in just...

00:35:55.000 Last year?

00:35:56.000 Well, in the last couple years, he...

00:35:57.000 He should feel really bad.

00:35:59.000 Everybody's been saying that forever.

00:36:00.000 I'm saying, but...

00:36:01.000 So, he came out and said, you know, that he was, you know, that he takes it all back.

00:36:07.000 So, you know...

00:36:08.000 I don't know.

00:36:09.000 I think there's no absolutes, but I'd be interested.

00:36:15.000 I've been trying to learn about it, like, hey, can you really tell me what really is the best thing?

00:36:20.000 Or maybe it's heat and ice combo, that heat and ice combo, because that does so much flushing to the system.

00:36:27.000 You know, squeeze down, the ice squeezes everything, and then all of a sudden the heat expands.

00:36:31.000 Yeah.

00:36:31.000 So your contraction, expansion, and that, I know that that is a, you know, but that takes energy too.

00:36:37.000 That tires you down more than, you know, than the heat.

00:36:41.000 Do you do ice bath heat, ice bath heat back to back?

00:36:45.000 Yeah, I'll do it.

00:36:46.000 Like sometimes I'll take, I'll do it on a Sunday.

00:36:48.000 I'll do like seven rounds of that stuff.

00:36:51.000 How much time are you spending?

00:36:55.000 Well, that's why we want the intensity, right?

00:36:57.000 So the colder it is, the shorter you have to be there, and the hotter it is, the shorter you have to be there.

00:37:03.000 So if you're hanging out, so if you can get it down to 15 minutes, and three to five minutes, let's say three minutes in the ice and 15 minutes in the sauna, then all of a sudden, let's say 20 minutes around, then here you go.

00:37:17.000 You got two and a half, three hours That's why 170 to 180, you do a whole hour.

00:37:23.000 Yeah, but that's a whole different protocol.

00:37:26.000 That was just one I heard about, and I just tried it.

00:37:30.000 Part of it is because it's hard to stay in that thing for an hour straight at 170. I mean, that's not...

00:37:45.000 Yeah, I'll listen to music or something like that, or a podcast, or get somebody else to suffer with me.

00:37:53.000 That's hard.

00:37:59.000 When I'm on the road, I try to get comedians to come in the sauna with me at a hotel, and it's only like 150, 160, and they're like, I'm out.

00:38:06.000 I'm like, you're out! 0.99

00:38:07.000 You've been here for 15 minutes, ain't shit! 1.00

00:38:10.000 It's so easy. 1.00

00:38:11.000 But it's all what you're...

00:38:12.000 It's in your brain.

00:38:14.000 It's in your mind.

00:38:15.000 We're so, you know...

00:38:18.000 Comfort-seeking.

00:38:19.000 Domesticated.

00:38:19.000 We're so domesticated.

00:38:21.000 Oh, it's hot, it's cold, it's this, and, you know, we're just...

00:38:25.000 We're...

00:38:26.000 Now, is this something that's you, or is this the whole surfing community?

00:38:30.000 Are they into this kind of stuff?

00:38:33.000 No, I mean, you know, what's interesting is, because I'm a surfer, obviously, everybody thinks, oh, you know all the surfers and your friends are the surfers.

00:38:41.000 Actually, I'm not.

00:38:42.000 I really am kind of outside of the community itself.

00:38:45.000 I have friends that surf, but I'm so not part of, you know, and in my career, I haven't been part of the industry of surfing anymore.

00:38:53.000 Yeah, really.

00:38:54.000 So in a way, I'm, I mean, I have friends that surf that come and do it.

00:38:58.000 And we've definitely, there's been some influence into, I mean, surfers in general, at least the good ones are, you know, training and using these ice heat protocols.

00:39:09.000 And so they're, you know, they're aware and motivated.

00:39:15.000 But surfing in general is, you know, I mean, I don't even know what half those guys are doing.

00:39:21.000 Yeah.

00:39:22.000 Well, I would think that they would be looking to you. 0.88

00:39:25.000 I mean, if I was a young surfer and I'd say, man, I fucking love surfing. 0.94

00:39:28.000 I'd like to be doing this when I'm 55. What is Laird Hamilton doing?

00:39:32.000 Yeah, but I don't know.

00:39:33.000 I think sometimes, you know, I mean, I think for a lot of...

00:39:36.000 Obviously, it's changed now, but in the past, I mean, you know, and it happens a lot with the younger people in general.

00:39:44.000 It's just like, don't tell me what to do.

00:39:46.000 I can eat whatever I want and do whatever I want.

00:39:48.000 I can go to Taco Bell and Burger King and stay up all night and still, you know...

00:39:55.000 Rip, you know, or do my thing.

00:39:57.000 And it's true probably in every sport.

00:39:59.000 And then, you know, I always say there's 1,000, you know, 20-year-olds, and then there's 530-years-olds, and then there's 250, 40-year-olds, and then there's like, you know, and then you just go as you go.

00:40:10.000 And there's less and less.

00:40:12.000 And, you know, I always love that, the term, the victory through attrition, you know, when you're just the last guy.

00:40:17.000 If you're just the last guy and you're standing, you don't have to be any good.

00:40:20.000 You just win.

00:40:21.000 You're like the winner.

00:40:22.000 You're like, you won.

00:40:23.000 You're the only guy left.

00:40:24.000 You know, that guy.

00:40:24.000 Yeah.

00:40:26.000 I like that.

00:40:28.000 You've been following this just to improve your physical performance just for life.

00:40:32.000 Absolutely.

00:40:33.000 Absolutely.

00:40:37.000 I think I really cherish feeling good.

00:40:41.000 I cherish feeling good.

00:40:43.000 I really enjoy feeling good.

00:40:44.000 And so that drives me towards wanting...

00:40:48.000 And like I said, whether I had Paul Cech years ago, I went and did an assessment with him.

00:40:54.000 He's an interesting guy.

00:40:55.000 Very.

00:40:56.000 Watching his stuff a lot online.

00:40:57.000 Yeah.

00:40:58.000 Yeah, and him and I had an instant connection, but I love the philosophical approach to certain things.

00:41:07.000 He said, and this had a huge impact on me 25 years ago, he was like, the three white devils are white flour, white sugar, and white milk.

00:41:16.000 And I'm like, okay.

00:41:18.000 Chocolate milk.

00:41:19.000 Drink that.

00:41:19.000 Yeah, just put cacao in it.

00:41:22.000 But if you put raw cacao and raw milk together, that's a powerful drink.

00:41:27.000 That's for real.

00:41:28.000 But if you put dead milk.

00:41:30.000 Homogenized, pasteurized.

00:41:32.000 Just abused.

00:41:33.000 And then you take some really bad cacao, if there's any at all in it, with a bunch of who knows, you can't pronounce it.

00:41:39.000 You know, he said, if it wasn't here 10,000 years ago, don't eat it.

00:41:44.000 Interesting.

00:41:44.000 If you can't pronounce it, don't eat it.

00:41:46.000 And then the three white devils.

00:41:48.000 I mean, that's a philosophical- I'm having a hard time with turmeric, though.

00:41:51.000 Yeah.

00:41:51.000 Why?

00:41:52.000 It's just the word.

00:41:54.000 Oh.

00:41:54.000 I struggle pronouncing it.

00:41:55.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:41:56.000 But it was here 10,000 years ago, so you're covered.

00:41:58.000 Yeah, so I'm fine.

00:41:59.000 Yeah.

00:42:00.000 Those are good pieces of advice, though.

00:42:02.000 Yeah, but just to look at food that way, it's like people go, what's your diet?

00:42:05.000 I go, plants and animals.

00:42:07.000 Yeah.

00:42:07.000 Plants and animals.

00:42:08.000 Yeah.

00:42:09.000 Don't make it difficult.

00:42:10.000 Don't be like, well, I eat this and that.

00:42:12.000 I think that the stress around that stuff is crazy.

00:42:16.000 But I really believe that to truly be, to have optimum performance and to be optimum, that you have to have Every spoke in the tire.

00:42:29.000 That you need every single spoke.

00:42:31.000 That you have to have a good relationship with your family.

00:42:33.000 You got to have love and you got to have good things with your kids and you got to have friends and you got to have your health and you got to sleep well and you got to be hydrated and you got to work out and you got to have your business thing.

00:42:46.000 I think you just have to have all these things to really have balance.

00:42:50.000 And I think if one of the spokes isn't tight, I think that's excellent advice.

00:43:07.000 I think that makes a lot of sense and it definitely keeps your mind clear.

00:43:10.000 You know you have your bases covered.

00:43:12.000 Covered.

00:43:12.000 You're not here, but there, but somewhere else.

00:43:15.000 And I know I've dealt with not having all the spokes good, and I know how that feels, and I know when it's good, you're clear, you're good.

00:43:25.000 And it's how we're meant to be.

00:43:27.000 I mean, we're meant to have that be real clean.

00:43:30.000 We're meant to have there be some balance.

00:43:33.000 You've got to have it.

00:43:34.000 Yeah, that's why, I mean, even overworking.

00:43:37.000 I mean, people think that, you know- They think that's a badge of honor.

00:43:40.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:43:41.000 Like, oh yeah, I work night thing and I don't sleep and I'm like, yeah, well, then you're compromising yourself.

00:43:46.000 I told Elon Musk that.

00:43:48.000 Did you?

00:43:48.000 Yeah.

00:43:49.000 I went to SpaceX one time and I pulled him aside.

00:43:51.000 He was standing out.

00:43:52.000 I go, hey, you know, you got to take care of this.

00:43:53.000 Put my hand on his chest.

00:43:54.000 I just go, you got to take care of this, but you got to take care of you.

00:43:57.000 What did he say?

00:43:58.000 I don't know if he understood.

00:44:00.000 He's a robot.

00:44:00.000 I don't think he understood.

00:44:02.000 He's barely a person.

00:44:03.000 I'm just saying.

00:44:04.000 I say that with all due respect.

00:44:06.000 Yeah, but I don't think he understood what I meant.

00:44:08.000 I felt like someone like that, if they were really taking good care of themselves, getting the right sleep, eating the right food, getting a workout, all those things, imagine.

00:44:20.000 Imagine.

00:44:21.000 If they can do what they're doing, burning it on both ends, imagine what they could do fully balanced.

00:44:27.000 Well, I don't think he wants to do any more than what he's doing.

00:44:30.000 I just think he's so obsessed with getting Tesla to run correctly.

00:44:34.000 When he was sleeping on the floor of the Tesla factory and working 17 hours a day, I mean, that's an insane person.

00:44:42.000 I mean, he was just there all day long trying to make it work.

00:44:45.000 And obviously it does work.

00:44:46.000 They're amazing cars.

00:44:47.000 Everything's...

00:44:49.000 It's beneficial, this drive that he has.

00:44:51.000 But I agree with you.

00:44:52.000 Like, for overall enjoyment of life, that's not the way to go about it.

00:44:56.000 Well, I think you have a blockage there, though, too.

00:44:58.000 I think if you can't pull back and look at it from a distance when you're in it, I think you get too detailed and then you can't, you know, you can't be...

00:45:09.000 I think it could be better because of that.

00:45:12.000 I think maybe it'd be profitable, you know?

00:45:15.000 It's hard, man. 0.99

00:45:16.000 It's a hard fucking business. 0.99

00:45:18.000 I mean, you're competing against, you know, the big boys. 0.99

00:45:22.000 Yeah, right.

00:45:24.000 But what's interesting is, even though they are doing that, he's managed to make something that's so different than anything else.

00:45:31.000 Do you have one?

00:45:32.000 No, I don't. 1.00

00:45:33.000 Fuck, man. 1.00

00:45:34.000 They're crazy. 1.00

00:45:35.000 I was reluctant.

00:45:37.000 I told him I'd buy one when he did the podcast.

00:45:38.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:45:39.000 But I was like, God damn it. 0.98

00:45:40.000 I like muscle cars. 0.99

00:45:41.000 I like gear and engines.

00:45:42.000 But I drove that thing. 1.00

00:45:43.000 I was like, oh, other cars are stupid. 1.00

00:45:45.000 They're all stupid. 1.00

00:45:46.000 They are. 1.00

00:45:46.000 They're archaic compared to that thing. 1.00

00:45:48.000 They are.

00:45:48.000 And you see all the companies going that way now.

00:45:51.000 Oh, yeah.

00:45:51.000 I mean, we were – because my buddy Wildman and I were into electric stuff.

00:45:56.000 And we went – and there was a guy that had an electric dragster.

00:46:00.000 And we went down with this electric dragster.

00:46:02.000 And it just smoked any top fuel dragster, like, beyond.

00:46:05.000 True.

00:46:06.000 But it didn't make noise, so no one wanted to watch it.

00:46:09.000 And you're like, what happened?

00:46:11.000 No smell.

00:46:13.000 No noise.

00:46:14.000 No flames.

00:46:15.000 No burning gas.

00:46:17.000 No pollution.

00:46:19.000 Yeah, no pollution.

00:46:19.000 So people were like, oh, that's not fun.

00:46:22.000 Yeah, but when you drive a Tesla, like I have the Model S, the P100D, I think that's what it's called.

00:46:28.000 When you drive it, it's effortless.

00:46:30.000 You just go where you want to go.

00:46:33.000 Like, I'd like to be over there.

00:46:34.000 Shoo! 1.00

00:46:34.000 It's like a video game. 1.00

00:46:36.000 Like, all of a sudden, you're over there.

00:46:37.000 Well, you have to get used to it because I've been in them and driven them.

00:46:40.000 And it's interesting how the body has to acclimate to the acceleration because you're used to that jolting, that shifting, you know, first gear, second gear, third gear, all that delay.

00:46:50.000 It's like AC versus DC. You know, normal cars are like AC, a little gap between the power.

00:46:55.000 And when you get that, you know, the body has to get used to the...

00:47:00.000 I'm still not totally okay with not looking where you're going and just flipping it on autopilot, but...

00:47:04.000 You know, I guess that's for the next generation.

00:47:08.000 Well, that's fun on the highway, but, you know, I look where I'm going and I keep my hand on the wheel, but it is fun to, like, shut 10% of your brain off and just let the car kind of handle the speed.

00:47:16.000 And one, it does it well.

00:47:17.000 Does it well.

00:47:18.000 Does it well.

00:47:19.000 Yeah.

00:47:19.000 Well, like I said, I think you need a person who's as obsessed as Elon Musk is to make something like that, but I agree with you.

00:47:26.000 If he wants to enjoy his life...

00:47:28.000 Well, just live longer.

00:47:30.000 Maybe have more ideas.

00:47:31.000 Have more influence.

00:47:32.000 Like, just I'm only speaking that way.

00:47:34.000 I just mean in the way of optimizing him, right?

00:47:37.000 Optimizing him because he's so amazing that, okay, let's optimize your amazingness by making you be healthier.

00:47:47.000 Take care of yourself so you can be around longer and maybe do more great things, right?

00:47:52.000 So again, I'm just speaking personally about when you try to look at optimization, right?

00:47:58.000 Like you're here, you only get so long, what are you doing?

00:48:01.000 And are you really optimizing it by...

00:48:07.000 Taxing the system and not getting all of it out of it that you, you know, but I guess in a way it's kind of like unhappiness, you know, people use that as a workout.

00:48:15.000 So that's a little, that makes you tired and you get hungry and, you know, there's always that.

00:48:22.000 Well, it's the choices you make, right?

00:48:24.000 Like, sometimes you just get stuck in the momentum of the choice that you made, and it's very difficult to, like, take that pause and go, okay, am I doing this the right way?

00:48:31.000 Maybe I need to reset.

00:48:32.000 Maybe I need to just take some time to really consider if this is making me happy and how many years I'm going to be able to do this and sustain it.

00:48:40.000 Yeah, well, that's a tricky thing, right?

00:48:43.000 That's a self...

00:48:45.000 Self, you know, analyzing yourself and putting that up is, I think it's easier just to keep going the direction you're going.

00:48:52.000 Sure.

00:48:52.000 Just caffeinate and take some Adderall and keep hitting the gas.

00:48:56.000 Go full speed.

00:48:57.000 How long have you been living in Hawaii?

00:49:00.000 Well, my mom took me from San Francisco when I was six months old.

00:49:03.000 Whoa! 0.71

00:49:05.000 Wow!

00:49:06.000 Pretty much.

00:49:06.000 It was only a technicality that I wasn't born there, which actually worked against me.

00:49:11.000 Because when you're not born there, then you're not from there.

00:49:16.000 So they're like, oh, you're not born here.

00:49:17.000 And you're like, oh, yeah, but I've been here since I can remember.

00:49:21.000 So let's just put it that way.

00:49:23.000 Right, that's interesting.

00:49:23.000 When my memory actually worked.

00:49:24.000 They still hold it against you, the six months that you weren't here.

00:49:26.000 Oh yeah, oh yeah.

00:49:27.000 We missed you, bro.

00:49:28.000 Oh yeah.

00:49:28.000 Six months, where were you?

00:49:29.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:49:30.000 You didn't come out of your mother here in the state.

00:49:34.000 But yeah, since I was a little kid.

00:49:36.000 I mean, my mom took me, I was born in San Francisco and she took me when I was a few months old.

00:49:40.000 I have a theory about people from Hawaii.

00:49:43.000 There's a groundedness that they seem to exhibit that is universal. 0.57

00:49:47.000 It's almost, you very rarely find completely frivolous, dopey people that live in Hawaii.

00:49:54.000 They're not, I mean, I'm sure you find some people that are not that smart, but there's a groundedness that so many of them have because they're on a volcano.

00:50:04.000 Yeah.

00:50:04.000 And, you know, it's interesting that you talk about that because yesterday we were having a conversation about what is that, right?

00:50:11.000 And we have a couple terms.

00:50:12.000 One of them is mana, which is the power from the land.

00:50:15.000 Another one is aloha, which is kind of a spirit of how people act from Hawaii.

00:50:20.000 But I believe it has a lot to do with islanders.

00:50:22.000 I think islanders have that.

00:50:24.000 And it has a lot to do with...

00:50:28.000 It has a lot to do with the ocean, being around the ocean, that the ocean's surrounding you.

00:50:32.000 And the ocean is the most conductive substance on Earth.

00:50:34.000 So electrically, and there's all this thing.

00:50:37.000 So you get influenced by this.

00:50:39.000 And I think energetically, the nature is so powerful.

00:50:43.000 I think it puts us into – there's a certain kind of humility that you have.

00:50:49.000 Yeah.

00:50:49.000 When you're in that, you're next to a volcano that's 14,000 foot and you got a 2,000 foot waterfall and you got a giant wave.

00:50:55.000 I mean, this is stuff that kind of goes, oh yeah, we're just little ants.

00:50:58.000 We're just little specks and we don't...

00:51:00.000 It's humbling, but it's also inspiring.

00:51:03.000 And energizing.

00:51:04.000 Yeah.

00:51:05.000 Gives you power.

00:51:06.000 Right.

00:51:06.000 The mana.

00:51:07.000 Yeah.

00:51:08.000 Yeah, I've always wondered why people that live in beach communities, they're so chill.

00:51:12.000 Like, I've wondered, is that because of just the humility that you get when you're just looking the ocean?

00:51:16.000 Well, The Blue Mind.

00:51:18.000 Have you ever seen that book?

00:51:19.000 No.

00:51:19.000 It's called The Blue Mind.

00:51:21.000 The guy's pretty interesting, and he does a study of why we gravitate towards being on the beach, why all the most expensive real estate is beachfront.

00:51:29.000 Hmm.

00:51:29.000 And that something about when we stare at the ocean, they did all these studies where it just totally lights the brain up that our whole – something about the horizon and about the ocean itself that affects our whole well-being.

00:51:42.000 And part of it, we don't even know why, but we're just drawn like why are we drawn there?

00:51:48.000 Why do we – and it has an effect on our system.

00:51:53.000 Wow.

00:51:54.000 I wonder if that's because we evolved to be close to the water because that's where the bounty is, where you can get fish.

00:52:01.000 Well, we evolved from the water.

00:52:03.000 That's true.

00:52:03.000 Do you ever follow that, the whole aquatic ape theory?

00:52:08.000 Yeah, I haven't really studied that.

00:52:15.000 I mean...

00:52:17.000 I know that when you're around dolphins and when you're around whales, and it's interesting, today I was in the ocean and I felt something was around and I could feel it.

00:52:29.000 I just knew something was around and then it just...

00:52:32.000 Five, ten minutes later, a big sea lion kind of popped its head up and went.

00:52:36.000 But I could feel before.

00:52:38.000 But when you're around those animals that are in the ocean, you definitely feel a kindred spirit with them, unlike you do with land animals.

00:52:47.000 You don't really have – I mean, okay, maybe a wolf or dogs because we were connected with them for 30,000 years.

00:52:53.000 We have that relationship.

00:52:54.000 You feel something with a dog.

00:52:56.000 But – But with the sea animals, like I say, when the dolphins come around and you just feel some kind of – there's just some – and they've done some studies with dolphins, how they affect kids that have different – Yeah,

00:53:17.000 I think.

00:53:45.000 Yeah, there's something that attracts you to it.

00:53:50.000 It's very strange.

00:53:51.000 When you stand there, it's peaceful just to sit down at the beach and just stare out at the blue.

00:53:57.000 It is.

00:53:57.000 Yeah.

00:53:58.000 Well, The Blue Mind is a great book.

00:54:00.000 That's a beautiful book about – talks about that and the science behind that and the effect it has on our system.

00:54:07.000 But, you know, in a way, watching the ocean move is a little bit like watching a fire.

00:54:11.000 You know how fire is mesmerizing.

00:54:13.000 You have a fireplace and you just watch the flames move.

00:54:15.000 Well, the ocean has that movement and a – Sometimes I'll go to the beach and I'll do a headstand and stand and look at the ocean upside down, which is crazy because now the ocean is the sky and the waves are moving opposite to what your brain is used to.

00:54:32.000 So it's something I'm doing when I'm bored at the beach.

00:54:38.000 Do you think you could ever live in a city?

00:54:40.000 I've stayed in a city for a little while before.

00:54:43.000 I mean, I moved to Manhattan at one point.

00:54:44.000 Did you really?

00:54:45.000 Yeah, I lived in Manhattan when I was about 17 or 18. I had some friends that used to come to Hawaii.

00:54:50.000 They lived in Manhattan and they invited me back for the summer and I lived there for a summer.

00:54:55.000 And, you know, it was dangerous for me to be there.

00:54:58.000 How's it dangerous?

00:55:00.000 Because you're kind of more wild.

00:55:03.000 You're a little more wild.

00:55:04.000 You're a little more like an animal, and then you're in confinement, and there's just not enough nature.

00:55:11.000 I'd go to Central Park and swing off trees and stuff, but that only did so much for me.

00:55:17.000 How old were you at the time?

00:55:18.000 Like 17 or something like that.

00:55:20.000 But you felt like a real urge to be around nature.

00:55:23.000 Always.

00:55:24.000 Yeah.

00:55:24.000 Always pulled to it.

00:55:26.000 I mean, I would just go to Central Park all the time.

00:55:28.000 Wow, that's interesting.

00:55:30.000 Yeah, I needed that.

00:55:32.000 And people don't realize when they lived there, but when you're in a place with giant cement buildings that are tall, you're in fight or flight the whole time.

00:55:42.000 Really?

00:55:43.000 Yeah, because you're threatened by these big masses that could...

00:55:47.000 Fall over and hit you.

00:55:49.000 Absolutely. 0.97

00:55:50.000 Right.

00:55:50.000 And you intuitively, you're living in that.

00:55:52.000 And then the noise and all of the people.

00:55:56.000 Because I grew up sitting in the back of the class, right?

00:55:58.000 I go to a restaurant.

00:55:59.000 I find a chair against the wall.

00:56:01.000 I go look for a chair and go, I'll sit in the corner.

00:56:04.000 I want to see what's coming.

00:56:05.000 I like to see what's coming.

00:56:06.000 And you go to New York and you're bombarded from every single angle of And so you're in fight or flight.

00:56:15.000 You're constantly on guard.

00:56:17.000 You don't know what's going to...

00:56:18.000 I'll take my chances in the ocean.

00:56:22.000 Yeah, I love visiting.

00:56:25.000 I love visiting Manhattan.

00:56:27.000 But as far as living there, man, I just don't...

00:56:29.000 And my friend Jeff lives there, and he's like, the energy of the city.

00:56:33.000 He always talks about the energy.

00:56:34.000 It's amazing.

00:56:35.000 I'm like, okay.

00:56:36.000 Well, it's retail therapy, too.

00:56:37.000 Yeah.

00:56:38.000 Retail pair.

00:56:39.000 Retail mech.

00:56:40.000 That's why every woman in the world moves there. 1.00

00:56:42.000 Yeah, they want to shop.

00:56:43.000 Shop!

00:56:44.000 Shop!

00:56:45.000 And then your friend goes, there's a lot of energy here.

00:56:47.000 I think he meant all the people.

00:56:49.000 People are moving.

00:56:50.000 They're doing things.

00:56:51.000 It makes me want to do things.

00:56:52.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:56:53.000 But I want to do things anyway.

00:56:54.000 I don't need that.

00:56:55.000 Yeah.

00:56:56.000 Well, we weren't meant to live stacked on top of each other.

00:56:59.000 That's not in our nature.

00:57:00.000 That's not in our biology.

00:57:02.000 Right.

00:57:02.000 Is there an abundance of everything?

00:57:04.000 Yeah, there's a lot of things that make it attractive, right?

00:57:07.000 I mean, there's beautiful women that make it attractive. 1.00

00:57:10.000 There's all the food you ever wanted makes it attractive.

00:57:13.000 You know, there's an abundance of stuff, and there's always something you do.

00:57:16.000 You go to the theater.

00:57:17.000 You don't have to be...

00:57:19.000 Self-motivated.

00:57:20.000 You don't have to be self-driven.

00:57:22.000 There's always three, you know, ten parties and a bunch of things and speakers and science.

00:57:28.000 Just anything you can think of, there's every aspect of it.

00:57:31.000 So I think that has an attractiveness about it.

00:57:34.000 But in our essence, do we belong in these metropolises?

00:57:40.000 They don't really have any in nature.

00:57:42.000 So we wouldn't actually, that wouldn't be a place that, you know, and we can only handle so many people at once anyway.

00:57:49.000 We can only have real intimate relationships with 130 people or something crazy.

00:57:55.000 Yeah, it's like 150. What I'm fascinated by, though, is that these things exist everywhere and that cities exist in almost every single country.

00:58:06.000 There's a place like a Manhattan or like in LA where everybody's just jammed in together.

00:58:10.000 What is it about people that makes us want to live like this?

00:58:14.000 That's an interesting thing.

00:58:15.000 That's an interesting question.

00:58:16.000 Why are we attracted to that, well, the abundance, you know, and we're drawn to go where everybody wants to go, a little bit like sheep, you know, like we all go where everybody wants to go, opportunity.

00:58:29.000 I mean, there's all these things that, you know, why does every city draw every young person from the countryside, right?

00:58:37.000 Because of Opportunity, right?

00:58:40.000 Excitement.

00:58:41.000 Possibility.

00:58:42.000 The possibilities.

00:58:43.000 My friend Michael Malice was on the show yesterday and he was telling me that he was choking.

00:58:47.000 He swallowed a piece of food and he got it stuck in his throat and he went to a table in Manhattan.

00:58:51.000 He was in Manhattan.

00:58:52.000 And he was like, I'm choking.

00:58:54.000 And he said this to this table of people.

00:58:56.000 And he said this woman just stared at him with no reaction.

00:58:59.000 Like didn't smile or anything.

00:59:01.000 And he coughed and the food came up.

00:59:02.000 He goes, I was choking to death.

00:59:05.000 And she said, well, you should take smaller bites.

00:59:08.000 Like just the harshness of New York.

00:59:11.000 It's like the value of a human being is so much less because there's so many of them.

00:59:19.000 Yeah.

00:59:20.000 That's a problem in the earth.

00:59:22.000 Yes.

00:59:22.000 Right now, our value for – and we become such a voyeur.

00:59:26.000 We become such voyeurs of like, well, I'll just watch you die.

00:59:31.000 I'll get a video of it and post this stuff.

00:59:35.000 Instead of like, wow, that guy needs help.

00:59:39.000 He's hurting.

00:59:39.000 Let me help him.

00:59:41.000 Now it's like, wow.

00:59:44.000 It's a strange phenomenon.

00:59:47.000 You'll get more help when there's less people around than you will when there's all the people around you.

00:59:51.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:59:52.000 There'll be a thousand people and they'll all just sit there and stare at a guy that's bleeding to death.

00:59:57.000 Yeah.

00:59:57.000 Where when there's two people there, one of the people will tourniquet the guy's leg.

01:00:01.000 Right, right, right.

01:00:02.000 Like if you saw someone in the woods fall and break their leg and it was just you two, you'd feel totally connected to that person.

01:00:08.000 Whereas if you saw someone, there's a hundred people around, the guy falls or gets hit by a car, you're like, well, that ain't my problem.

01:00:12.000 That ain't my problem.

01:00:14.000 Yeah.

01:00:14.000 And everybody goes, that's not my problem.

01:00:15.000 Diffusion of responsibility.

01:00:18.000 Yeah.

01:00:18.000 Yeah, it happens in large groups of people.

01:00:20.000 You feel like somebody's going to handle this.

01:00:22.000 And no one does.

01:00:23.000 Yeah, no one does.

01:00:24.000 There was a video that I watched recently of this guy.

01:00:28.000 I don't know what was happening, but it was outside at night, some sort of a nightclub sort of a situation.

01:00:32.000 This woman hit this guy, and this guy knocked out this one woman. 1.00

01:00:35.000 Then another girl came out, and he knocked her out too.

01:00:37.000 And the guy's filming it.

01:00:38.000 Someone's filming it, and they're not doing anything about it.

01:00:40.000 No one's tackling this guy.

01:00:42.000 No one's grabbing it.

01:00:43.000 The guy runs away successfully.

01:00:45.000 And then the LAPD put a thing out looking for this guy. 0.97

01:00:48.000 I'm like, how the fuck does the guy with the camera live with himself? 0.99

01:00:51.000 How did you just film this guy punch two women? 0.99

01:00:54.000 Exactly.

01:00:54.000 Yeah.

01:00:55.000 Unless you're a woman, too. 0.97

01:00:56.000 And you're like, I don't want this guy fucking me up, too. 0.98

01:00:58.000 I don't know. 0.99

01:00:58.000 Well, you just hit him with a brick, then. 0.99

01:01:00.000 I mean, you know, whatever. 0.95

01:01:01.000 I mean, just saying, just, you know, drive your car on him.

01:01:05.000 I'm just what I... But it is strange how we lose our humanity in these giant numbers.

01:01:11.000 Well, and we're doing it more, too.

01:01:12.000 Now, just with all of the – there's a bunch of factors that are playing into that, right?

01:01:18.000 Into us kind of separating ourselves from the person next door.

01:01:24.000 They're right there, but we're over here.

01:01:27.000 We're on our device looking down, and they're right next to us.

01:01:32.000 It's almost like we think that that's an invisible screen.

01:01:36.000 Yeah.

01:01:36.000 There's also a thing about Hawaii that I've always found interesting is you kind of know everybody.

01:01:41.000 So you can't be an asshole. 0.99

01:01:43.000 That's a beautiful thing. 1.00

01:01:44.000 Yeah.

01:01:44.000 Accountability.

01:01:45.000 Accountability.

01:01:45.000 You're going to see them at the store in five minutes.

01:01:48.000 So either you work it out and you agree that you don't like each other and it's just like an accepted thing or you work it out and you get through it.

01:01:56.000 Yeah.

01:01:56.000 I love that.

01:01:57.000 Well, I love that about small towns too.

01:01:59.000 Small towns have the same thing.

01:02:00.000 But the thing about an island, it's a small town with an ocean around it.

01:02:04.000 Yeah.

01:02:05.000 So there's really nowhere to go.

01:02:07.000 And you live on Kauai?

01:02:09.000 Yeah, I grew up on Kauai.

01:02:11.000 How many people live there?

01:02:12.000 About 60-something now, 65,000 or something like that.

01:02:15.000 That's hilarious.

01:02:16.000 Yeah.

01:02:16.000 That's less than the Big Island, which is pretty...

01:02:19.000 Yeah, but it's big, though.

01:02:19.000 Yeah, Big Island, giant, and there's like 100-something, right?

01:02:22.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:02:23.000 I mean, I lived in Maui for a while as well, but I grew up on Kauai.

01:02:26.000 Kauai is my, you know, that's got my heart.

01:02:31.000 It owns my heart.

01:02:32.000 So gorgeous there.

01:02:33.000 Gorgeous.

01:02:33.000 Yeah.

01:02:33.000 And then you've got Honolulu, which might as well be Chicago or something.

01:02:37.000 Absolutely.

01:02:38.000 It's like city problems.

01:02:39.000 Absolutely.

01:02:40.000 They have real city problems.

01:02:41.000 And heavy military.

01:02:44.000 So they have a huge military.

01:02:46.000 And the military influences a city.

01:02:49.000 Like any city that has a military next to it, there's an effect that the military has on the city.

01:02:55.000 And Honolulu has that.

01:02:56.000 Honolulu is connected to the military.

01:02:58.000 It's got Pearl Harbor and all of that stuff.

01:03:00.000 And then a million people, which is insane.

01:03:03.000 Insane.

01:03:03.000 A million people.

01:03:04.000 Well, it's the gathering place.

01:03:05.000 Honolulu means the gathering place.

01:03:07.000 So it's like where everybody goes to, you know, that's where the state capital is.

01:03:10.000 That's our whole, that's Waikiki.

01:03:14.000 Why did that one place become so populated?

01:03:17.000 I don't know.

01:03:19.000 You know, I think it has to do with, if you look at most places that cities have been created, it's usually some geographical design, some shape, like a good harbor.

01:03:31.000 And obviously Honolulu is an incredible harbor.

01:03:34.000 So great harbor, great protection.

01:03:37.000 So that probably has a lot to do with the fact that it was developed like it was because of the nature of it.

01:03:45.000 I used to say if you went to Rio de Janeiro and no one was there and you showed up one day with a boat and no one had built anything, it would be...

01:03:57.000 If you showed up in Manhattan and you went up to Hudson and you pulled up onto that island, you'd be like, wow, this place is amazing.

01:04:05.000 So most of these places, if you're in Paris and you went and the Seine went around it, you'd be like, wow.

01:04:11.000 So most of the places where cities have been developed are amazing geographical locations.

01:04:17.000 And then out of necessity, they were easy to get to with boat.

01:04:21.000 That has a big factor to it.

01:04:23.000 There's always some sort of...

01:04:26.000 Strategic.

01:04:27.000 There's something to do with being a strategic location as well.

01:04:31.000 But yeah, I don't know why Honolulu, other than great for mooring and harbors and protected, real protected, all that Pearl Harbor stuff is very protected.

01:04:40.000 And so that made it very easy to develop.

01:04:45.000 If you didn't live there, where do you think you'd live?

01:04:48.000 I'd be on another planet.

01:04:50.000 LAUGHTER Do you think you'd live in the mountains?

01:04:54.000 Well, I love Alaska.

01:04:55.000 But I don't think I – honestly, both Gabby and I have been splitting the years since we met.

01:05:02.000 And I realize that I'm nomadic or that I really like the animals.

01:05:09.000 I like to move in a season.

01:05:12.000 It feels more natural, actually.

01:05:13.000 And I kind of – With my daughters, we kind of influence them that way.

01:05:18.000 But I don't want to be anywhere all the time.

01:05:20.000 That's what I really realized.

01:05:21.000 I realized that I'm not good.

01:05:23.000 Well, you'll get caught up in a domestic with your neighbor.

01:05:27.000 There's something about being in one location all year round.

01:05:32.000 And it feels more natural to move according to the seasons, right?

01:05:36.000 Like, hey, it's summertime.

01:05:37.000 Energize.

01:05:38.000 We come to California in the summer.

01:05:40.000 The surf is down in Hawaii in the summertime.

01:05:43.000 That's when the waves are flat.

01:05:44.000 So I don't have the sea, which means I would shift to other land stuff.

01:05:49.000 It brings a whole set of opportunities.

01:05:51.000 It's like, why would we go north?

01:05:53.000 I mean, why would we go, you know...

01:06:21.000 So you do like six months in each place?

01:06:23.000 Is that what you do?

01:06:23.000 Yeah.

01:06:23.000 So you go Malibu and you go...

01:06:25.000 Yeah, Kauai.

01:06:26.000 Yeah.

01:06:27.000 That's nice.

01:06:27.000 Well, and then you get to see both things, too.

01:06:29.000 Both things.

01:06:30.000 And open your mind.

01:06:31.000 Open your mind.

01:06:32.000 Open your mind.

01:06:33.000 And energetically, Malibu is very powerful.

01:06:37.000 Like where we are, you know, it's like Indian mountains and the mountains meet the sea.

01:06:41.000 And there's some, you know, people don't realize how abundant that sea life is, too.

01:06:44.000 They always call Malibu.

01:06:45.000 They have like a preconceived idea about what Malibu is.

01:06:48.000 But Malibu has a...

01:06:50.000 You know, Malibu means gateway to the sea in Chugash.

01:06:53.000 That's an Indian word.

01:06:54.000 Malibu is the gate, which in a way is the valley that opened from the plains where the buffalo were to the fishing and the ocean.

01:07:03.000 So there's something to that place that we feel comfortable.

01:07:09.000 And if you're going to be here for us, I can still be in the ocean.

01:07:12.000 I can still have that nature part, but then I can run into LA and Try to expand my brain a little bit.

01:07:18.000 Yeah, it is really a weird spot, right?

01:07:20.000 Like, Malibu has got a weird combination of really rich people that are completely detached, and they're on pills, and they're...

01:07:26.000 Like, that PCH is a terrifying place to drive.

01:07:28.000 One of the most dangerous. 1.00

01:07:29.000 So many fucking drunk driving accidents. 0.98

01:07:31.000 One of the most dangerous. 1.00

01:07:32.000 And it's windy.

01:07:33.000 Yeah.

01:07:33.000 And you have the ocean, so good houses on it.

01:07:35.000 Right.

01:07:35.000 And a cliff on the other side.

01:07:37.000 Narrow, winding, and bad drivers.

01:07:40.000 Yeah.

01:07:40.000 In general.

01:07:41.000 Just all our drivers in America are terrible.

01:07:45.000 There's something about that range, too.

01:07:47.000 There's so many bars and restaurants where people drink.

01:07:50.000 There is.

01:07:51.000 That's a wickedly dangerous road.

01:07:54.000 There's detached people.

01:07:56.000 I've had friends that had their kids go to Malibu High, and they're like, Jesus Christ, everyone's doing drugs. 0.99

01:08:00.000 It's all fucked up. 0.98

01:08:01.000 And the children of these rich people are often neglected, raised by their nannies. 1.00

01:08:06.000 Parents aren't home, and they're just...

01:08:08.000 So you have that contrasted by some of the coolest people ever.

01:08:13.000 And you have some of the people that don't want to live in town, that work in the industry, highly successful, that want nature.

01:08:19.000 They want nature and they want to be in there and they're willing to drive that coast highway every day and go to work in town just to have.

01:08:26.000 The balance of being in the sanctuary.

01:08:29.000 So, you know, it's what we always say, bright light, dark shadow.

01:08:32.000 I mean, it's the nature of, it's what you get with it, you know, with the greatness you get is the, you know, the destruction that you get.

01:08:40.000 It attracts weirdos.

01:08:41.000 Yeah.

01:08:42.000 It does.

01:08:42.000 Yeah, there's so many strange, eclectic people.

01:08:46.000 Eclectic.

01:08:46.000 Yeah.

01:08:46.000 Which kind of makes it – but it makes it great too.

01:08:49.000 Like if you're – for the good group, you got guys – you go to the store and you got guys that are – that lived in Malibu for their whole life since they were kids.

01:08:59.000 They don't – they live up one of the canyons and they're totally grounded and – And then you got right next to them some giant mansion with, like you said, kids that are neglected.

01:09:11.000 But there's some good ocean there, and there's some good mountains.

01:09:14.000 So for mountain bikes and ocean activities, it's pretty...

01:09:19.000 The land stuff's always going to be tricky with the humans.

01:09:22.000 You get the humans, they're on land.

01:09:24.000 We rented a place on the water for like three months when we were getting our kitchen done, and it was crazy.

01:09:30.000 You just sit there, wake up, eat breakfast, you're on the water.

01:09:35.000 And the place we were at, the water would literally come to the edge of the house.

01:09:41.000 So it looks like you're sitting on the water.

01:09:43.000 Well, it's like being on a boat.

01:09:43.000 And you're watching sea otters and all this wildlife and birds.

01:09:48.000 Yeah.

01:09:49.000 It's amazing.

01:09:50.000 Yeah.

01:09:50.000 You don't want to own one of those houses, but they're nice to stay in.

01:09:53.000 Well, if you own it, you really don't own it for long.

01:09:56.000 No.

01:09:56.000 Not in this day and age.

01:09:58.000 No, especially if we get a...

01:09:59.000 You never know when we're going to get a big wave.

01:10:00.000 Yes!

01:10:01.000 I'm always gun-shy about being on the water, you know, living on the water.

01:10:05.000 I think when I was a kid, we had to evacuate.

01:10:08.000 And so I'm always...

01:10:09.000 For giant surf.

01:10:11.000 Just huge, huge surf.

01:10:12.000 So we had to leave our house and our house, a bunch of houses got pushed across the road in 1969. Jesus Christ.

01:10:19.000 Yeah.

01:10:20.000 So I've always been, I think I've had a thing in the back of my head like, besides highly expensive, but just living on the beach, it's like, no, I'll go to the beach, I'll be at the beach all day, but then I want to be away.

01:10:31.000 Like I want to go home and be away.

01:10:33.000 Right.

01:10:33.000 And not have sand in my bed and not have salt on my TV and, you know, not have like- Everything gets corroded.

01:10:40.000 Corroded.

01:10:41.000 Well, you have to build a boat.

01:10:42.000 If you build a house there, just pretend it's a boat and that you don't have to worry about sinking.

01:10:48.000 Maybe.

01:10:49.000 It might sink.

01:10:50.000 It might sink.

01:10:50.000 Slowly.

01:10:51.000 How far away do you live from the water?

01:10:53.000 I'm about a mile as a crow flies.

01:10:55.000 But I'm up a hill, so I overlook.

01:10:58.000 Ah.

01:10:58.000 I overlook the ocean and I can see...

01:11:00.000 And then I don't have any neighbors.

01:11:01.000 I have only one neighbor on the front and back and then both sides, no neighbors.

01:11:05.000 So I've always liked being on hills and being back.

01:11:09.000 It just seems that's where I end up.

01:11:11.000 It's also views.

01:11:12.000 I think views are really good for your brain.

01:11:14.000 Good for your brain.

01:11:15.000 To be up and let everything fall below, good for the brain.

01:11:20.000 Soothing on the mind.

01:11:21.000 What is this physical training company that you're doing?

01:11:25.000 You're doing something...

01:11:26.000 XPT. Yeah, what is that?

01:11:28.000 XPT is, I would describe it as a kind of a, it's a lifestyle program that evolved out of what, how we live, like what we do.

01:11:40.000 And so we started an experiential thing where people can come for like two and a half days and go through this, you know, get exposed to speakers and they do heat and ice and we do pool training and breath work and mobility.

01:11:52.000 So you have conferences and stuff there?

01:11:53.000 Yeah.

01:11:54.000 Exposed to speakers?

01:11:55.000 Like, what do you mean?

01:11:56.000 Well, I'll invite, you know, I would invite you to come and speak for an hour, or I'd invite Paul Cech, or we'd have somebody speak on longevity, or somebody speak on, you know, just...

01:12:08.000 During the experience, we'll have a couple speakers talk on nutrition, fitness, wellness, career, whatever, just as something, as another piece of the element.

01:12:20.000 And then, like I said, we have pool training, and we've been certifying trainers now to kind of help.

01:12:39.000 I think that's overplayed.

01:12:43.000 I think the ways we can train and how we're training is really overplayed.

01:12:47.000 I think we're not...

01:12:49.000 Yeah.

01:13:08.000 I think they need some support.

01:13:10.000 So breath work is a big part of it.

01:13:12.000 Knowing how to move correctly, I think that's a big part of it because plenty of people hurt themselves, especially in the gym, without some knowledge of movement and form.

01:13:22.000 And then I have a pool training system I developed, which is...

01:13:25.000 Yeah, Gabby was telling me about that.

01:13:26.000 It sounds crazy.

01:13:27.000 Yeah, that's the most proprietary thing I think we have is it's a marriage between the gym and the pool because I despise swimming.

01:13:36.000 You do?

01:13:36.000 Yeah, I just can't.

01:13:37.000 That's hilarious!

01:13:39.000 No, I do.

01:13:40.000 If you said, go do laps in the pool, I'd be like Shamu, and I'd get the floppy fin.

01:13:45.000 Really?

01:13:46.000 Oh, yeah. 1.00

01:13:48.000 That's crazy, but you're a fucking server. 1.00

01:13:50.000 No, but I'm saying, but if you said, hey, we're going to take these masks and these fins, and we're going to swim this coastline where the waves are breaking on the rocks, and we're going to go for five miles. 1.00

01:14:00.000 I'm in.

01:14:01.000 But if you said, hey, go down there and wear some swim goggles where you can't even see and swim in some murky water where you don't know what's in it and we're going to swim a mile down there and you're going to do that every day, I'd rather step on a rusty nail than do that.

01:14:17.000 Because of my disdain for swimming, that kind of swimming, if it's in the surf and the waves, that's a different game.

01:14:28.000 That's a whole different thing.

01:14:29.000 But you don't want to do laughter. 0.94

01:14:30.000 You'd kill me. 1.00

01:14:31.000 I'm going to die. 1.00

01:14:33.000 I'd rather hit my hand with a hammer. 0.99

01:14:36.000 That's so weird.

01:14:38.000 I would think that you would just enjoy moving in the water.

01:14:42.000 I do, with some dumbbells.

01:14:43.000 Oh, okay.

01:14:44.000 So carrying a dumbbell and jumping in dumbbells.

01:14:48.000 Why did you start at XPT? What was the motivation?

01:14:52.000 Because you're obviously into doing this stuff yourself, but why create a foundation?

01:14:57.000 Yeah.

01:14:57.000 Well, the reason why we started it was because an opportunity to expose this stuff and share it with more people.

01:15:02.000 We were doing it ourselves naturally, and then we'd have friends come, and they were like, this stuff's awesome, and then can I invite my friend?

01:15:09.000 And then we realized that if we really wanted to expose it to more people and share it, it was going to be a limitation if everybody had to come to my house.

01:15:18.000 Do you have like a website and everything?

01:15:19.000 Yeah.

01:15:20.000 What does XBT stand for?

01:15:23.000 XBTlife.com.

01:15:25.000 And XBT stands for, well, my concept is exploration in performance training.

01:15:31.000 Ah, there it is.

01:15:32.000 High performance fuels a limitless life.

01:15:36.000 Dumbbells in the pool.

01:15:36.000 There it is.

01:15:37.000 Oh, yeah.

01:15:38.000 So this is all your idea, the dumbbells in the pool?

01:15:40.000 I need to.

01:15:41.000 Yeah, you have to come.

01:15:42.000 Well, I'm just in the process.

01:15:43.000 That's my boy, Kyle.

01:15:44.000 Kyle Kingsbury.

01:15:45.000 Oh, yeah.

01:15:45.000 I love that guy.

01:15:47.000 Yeah.

01:15:48.000 Well, I have some beautiful guys come.

01:15:50.000 I'll give you a great thing that you'd appreciate.

01:15:53.000 I have this whole...

01:15:54.000 Well, first of all, there's a bunch of things that happen in the water, right?

01:15:57.000 Which one of the things that happens is when you're underwater...

01:16:00.000 The compression of the water allows the blood to flow through your lymphatic system, which normally takes about a 24-hour period.

01:16:07.000 It happens in one hour.

01:16:08.000 So imagine compression tights.

01:16:10.000 Like, you know, if you wear compression, it really helps the blood flow?

01:16:13.000 Well, this is the ultimate compression.

01:16:15.000 The water is, right?

01:16:16.000 So then you deal with the psychology.

01:16:18.000 So it's good for fighters.

01:16:21.000 Fighters, because of the psychology of what we can do, because you deal a lot with...

01:16:36.000 Mm-hmm.

01:16:54.000 Because now you don't have to worry about momentum, which is what's going to pull your shoulder out, it's going to throw your hip, it's going to hurt your knee, where I can take a basketball player and I can run him through thousands of jumps, thousands, which at the end of, if I did that on land, he would be broken.

01:17:08.000 He's already jumping too much in his season.

01:17:10.000 He doesn't need to jump more, right?

01:17:11.000 So I could load him up and make him do these dynamic movements, but now he's protected because we've taken gravity out.

01:17:19.000 So it's like saying, hey, we get to go trade in outer space, but it's in my backyard.

01:17:24.000 Right.

01:17:24.000 Now, what kind of results have these athletes been experiencing?

01:17:27.000 Well, so Joakim, in his career, and I don't know how many years he's been in the NBA, he came back after doing this dunking job, just using this as an example, and...

01:17:51.000 Really?

01:17:58.000 Yeah.

01:17:58.000 Yeah, so I mean, we're getting...

01:18:00.000 That's the kind of tangible stuff that I'm getting, just that there's a lot more things.

01:18:05.000 A lot of it has to do with breath, because in the water, it's all controlled breathing patterns.

01:18:11.000 So everything is controlled, because you can't breathe in until you get to the top.

01:18:14.000 So if you're doing a drill where you're jumping, and most of the things we do are leg-driven.

01:18:18.000 Swimming is mostly arms.

01:18:20.000 Part of the reason why people only use their arms is because you use five times the oxygen with your legs as you do with your arms.

01:18:26.000 So the legs are very inefficient for swimming, but yet they create a lot of load on your heart, which that can boost your breath holding.

01:18:34.000 And so there's a bunch of other things that happen, but a lot of it is just that environment is very protective.

01:18:41.000 So for recovery too, for like when somebody's got a hurt knee, hurt hip, hurt ankle, you can go in there and start moving dynamically We're good to go.

01:19:17.000 When he gets on land, it's like a whole other game.

01:19:23.000 Yeah, I would imagine.

01:19:24.000 A whole other game.

01:19:25.000 Now, did you invent this protocol, this whole thing of jumping and doing it in the water?

01:19:30.000 What motivated you?

01:19:32.000 Well, the original concept came out of a thing we used to do in the summer when we were kids.

01:19:39.000 It's a Hawaiian kind of waterman drill where you run on the bottom with stones.

01:19:44.000 I've seen that.

01:19:45.000 BJ Penn does that stuff.

01:19:46.000 Yeah.

01:19:46.000 So you get a stone, you run along the bottom, then you put it down, then your friend swims along the surface, and then when you go up, he swims down, grabs it, and then he goes along as far as he can, and you swim, and you just go back and forth until neither one of you can do it.

01:19:58.000 So it was based kind of on that concept, but I wanted to expand that because that's kind of limiting.

01:20:04.000 You just swim and you run, and you can't...

01:20:07.000 Isolate movements and you're not working like you can with dumbbells.

01:20:12.000 So now I shift dumbbells into the water and I have all different weights.

01:20:16.000 So depending on your skill level, you know, everything we do.

01:20:18.000 And that's one thing about everything that I'm involved in is it usually has to be able to be...

01:20:27.000 For everybody to do it, it has to be old people and kids. 0.99

01:20:32.000 In my mind, it's not viable unless you can appeal to everybody.

01:20:38.000 A kid needs to be able to do it, an old person to really be valid, to really have legitimacy. 1.00

01:20:45.000 It's like, okay, the coffee.

01:20:47.000 There has to be things that the kids can have that creamer. 0.87

01:20:51.000 Old people can have it. 0.55

01:20:52.000 It can't just be specialized.

01:20:53.000 I think the specialization of some of this stuff is...

01:20:58.000 I think?

01:21:19.000 It confirms to me that it's really legitimate, right?

01:21:22.000 Because then it's like, no, this is real.

01:21:24.000 The kids can do it.

01:21:25.000 The old people can do it. 1.00

01:21:26.000 The top guys can do it.

01:21:27.000 The bottom guys can do it.

01:21:28.000 Everybody can do it.

01:21:30.000 That's something that's...

01:21:32.000 I just think that that's what is real.

01:21:37.000 So how many years have you been doing this?

01:21:40.000 XPT, well, I mean the pool training I've been, I've developed over the last probably 10 to 12 years, about 12 years now in the pool.

01:21:48.000 And you've evolved it?

01:21:49.000 So you started off with a couple ideas?

01:21:51.000 Well, I had like a Velcro weight jacket where you Velcro like a weight, yeah, jump in the deep end.

01:21:57.000 It was a little scary.

01:21:58.000 Can't get the jacket off and how can you get up?

01:22:00.000 So that wasn't Too sketchy.

01:22:03.000 That wasn't viable.

01:22:05.000 So then we moved to dumbbells where you can drop them.

01:22:08.000 But there's probably 20 exercises that we have.

01:22:11.000 How much weight are you using?

01:22:12.000 It depends.

01:22:13.000 Sometimes we're doing...

01:22:14.000 We have a move called the gorilla where we're using 60 to 70 pound dumbbells where you're doing a curl press jump and you're jumping on the slope.

01:22:23.000 So you're curl pressing and jumping with 60, 70 pound dumbbells depending on your size.

01:22:29.000 We're swimming with 50 pound, 60 pound dumbbells.

01:22:32.000 We're jumping off the bottom with 15 pound dumbbells.

01:22:35.000 It depends on the exercise.

01:22:36.000 So it all depends on the person's skill, what the drill is.

01:22:40.000 But I have all the weights next to the pool, so we have everything from 70s to 5-pound dumbbells.

01:22:46.000 Wow.

01:22:46.000 I love that idea of the jump press, like doing some sort of a...

01:22:52.000 Oh yeah, you'd love it.

01:22:54.000 It's crazy.

01:22:54.000 I call it the gorilla curl.

01:22:56.000 So it's a squat, curl, press, jump.

01:23:00.000 And then when you come out of the water, you just let the weights drop.

01:23:03.000 And then the water catches them.

01:23:04.000 You could never do that on land.

01:23:05.000 Rip your shoulder out.

01:23:07.000 Right, right.

01:23:07.000 How deep do you do this in the water?

01:23:09.000 Well, you vary on your height.

01:23:10.000 So I have about an 11-foot deep end, and then I have a slope so you can choose every depth all the way, and then I have what you saw in that last video.

01:23:20.000 It's about a 3.5-foot shallow end.

01:23:22.000 So this is the first pool.

01:23:24.000 I'm trying to build a couple.

01:23:25.000 I'm trying to build one in Hawaii right now that's...

01:23:28.000 That's going to evolve from what I learned from this pool.

01:23:30.000 So this pool, I just kind of built it with the hopes of designing a program.

01:23:36.000 And then out of it came all this stuff.

01:23:39.000 What are you going to alter?

01:23:41.000 I'm going to create multiple depths.

01:23:44.000 So I'm going to do like an area that has 12 foot.

01:23:46.000 Then we're going to shift back two feet and have a 10 foot.

01:23:49.000 And then another flat area of 8 foot.

01:23:51.000 And then another flat area of 6 foot.

01:23:53.000 And then I have the magic width is about...

01:23:59.000 We're good to go.

01:24:12.000 And movements that you can, you'd be very vulnerable if you did that in the gym.

01:24:17.000 Chances are you could hurt yourself.

01:24:19.000 But because you have that stability in that environment, it totally supports you.

01:24:23.000 So you can be, and go into ranges of motion that you don't have.

01:24:28.000 Like, you know, you might not be able to go sink all the way down into a deep lunge on one leg and press out with dumbbells in your hand on land.

01:24:36.000 But in the water, you can.

01:24:38.000 And the water actually makes it lighter.

01:24:40.000 So you have to boost the weight and stuff.

01:24:41.000 So there's a bunch of great stuff that comes out of it.

01:24:44.000 That sounds very attractive to people that have had injuries.

01:24:48.000 Beautiful.

01:24:48.000 But the irony is it's a little bit like what...

01:25:02.000 Yeah.

01:25:09.000 Yeah.

01:25:11.000 Yeah.

01:25:15.000 And do you have workouts that people can follow online if someone goes to the XPT Life website?

01:25:22.000 Yeah.

01:25:22.000 Actually, the thing that we have right now that's probably the most kind of prevalent one, the thing that's happening the soonest, is we have a breathing app coming out.

01:25:33.000 So we have a breathing app that has almost every different modality of breath work.

01:25:38.000 And so there's some pretty cool stuff in there where you can go choose, hey, before I go to sleep or before my workout, after my workout, during my thing.

01:25:45.000 So we have a pretty cool breathing app that we're working on as well.

01:25:51.000 You ever talk to Wim Hof?

01:25:52.000 I know Wim.

01:25:53.000 Do you know Wim?

01:25:54.000 Absolutely. 0.99

01:25:55.000 Wim doesn't give a fuck if you breathe out of your nose or your mouth. 0.99

01:25:58.000 He's like, just breathe, man! 1.00

01:26:00.000 I know, I know. 1.00

01:26:01.000 Just breathe, motherfucker! 1.00

01:26:02.000 He's so crazy. 1.00

01:26:03.000 I love that guy. 0.59

01:26:04.000 He's comedy.

01:26:05.000 No, I've had a few...

01:26:07.000 Wim and I have had a few experiences, let's just put it that way.

01:26:11.000 But we've had him at a couple of experiences, and I've done some stuff with Wim.

01:26:15.000 I've known Wim for...

01:26:17.000 I don't know, like four or five years.

01:26:19.000 Now, maybe a little longer.

01:26:21.000 Usually when he was in town, I think the last time, maybe when you saw him, he comes to visit.

01:26:27.000 So I get him.

01:26:29.000 Usually when I go with Wim, I usually translate for him.

01:26:31.000 When he goes to one of his classes, I'm usually like trying to...

01:26:34.000 Oh, right.

01:26:35.000 In case people don't understand.

01:26:37.000 No, I know.

01:26:38.000 But I'm just saying, sometimes I'll be with somebody and they'll be like, what did he say?

01:26:41.000 I'll be like, what he means is take a deep breath.

01:26:44.000 Yeah.

01:26:45.000 He's such a character, man.

01:26:46.000 He is a character. 0.99

01:26:47.000 The guy went to fucking the top of Everest barefoot. 0.99

01:26:50.000 Oh, yeah. 0.99

01:26:51.000 Like, what?

01:26:51.000 Oh, yeah.

01:26:51.000 I almost lost his toes, too.

01:26:53.000 Yeah.

01:26:53.000 Like, what?

01:26:54.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:26:54.000 No, he goes.

01:26:55.000 Yeah.

01:26:56.000 Well, his art, actually, is tumo.

01:27:01.000 Is a derivative of tumo.

01:27:03.000 And I'm not sure if you know what tumo is.

01:27:05.000 But tumo is a Himalayan breathing technique that the monks have.

01:27:12.000 They have this one thing where they dry sheets.

01:27:22.000 Really?

01:27:37.000 Yeah.

01:27:38.000 Yeah, and it's called tummo.

01:27:39.000 And you can go online and look it up.

01:27:42.000 But tummo is a Himalayan breathing technique that was never exposed to Westerners until just as of recently.

01:27:50.000 But Wim's work is a derivative of tummo.

01:27:55.000 But nose breathing, it's all about nose breathing.

01:27:57.000 It's all about nose breathing.

01:27:59.000 And when you understand the science of it.

01:28:00.000 But he's right about getting people to just breathe because people are not breathing.

01:28:05.000 Mm-hmm.

01:28:06.000 We just had, in fact, we had another, Belisa, what's her, I want to say, it's a Russian name, but she has a great book.

01:28:15.000 She trains fire and police and military breathing.

01:28:20.000 We just had her, we did an XPT in Miami.

01:28:23.000 About a week, two weeks ago.

01:28:24.000 And she came as a guest speaker and was working on really trying to create more volume. 0.80

01:28:31.000 And then a lot of people's rib cages aren't moving.

01:28:34.000 And so they have a whole, you know, there's ways to try to increase your movement of your rib cage.

01:28:39.000 Your rib cage should actually open.

01:28:41.000 Like you can take a tape and measure your rib cage when you're fully exhaled.

01:28:45.000 And then when you inhale, it should expand like, you know, three inches or more.

01:28:51.000 For you to be really optimally breathing.

01:28:53.000 And a lot of people, I mean, part of it has to do with the whole six-pack abs and what's aesthetically pleasing.

01:28:59.000 But meanwhile, when you have a real nice set of six-pack abs, you're not able to diaphragmatically breathe.

01:29:05.000 You're not able to use your diaphragm.

01:29:07.000 You're not using your diaphragm when you have that.

01:29:09.000 Yeah, because the tightness isn't allowing the diaphragm to push down the diaphragm and the pelvic floor actually squeeze your organs together.

01:29:21.000 That is actually massaging the organs, which influences your digestion and everything.

01:29:25.000 And it deals with a bunch of acid reflex and a bunch of other things.

01:29:29.000 But when the abs are so tight that the stomach can't expand, the organs can't push this belly out, then you have a limitation in your brain.

01:29:41.000 And then the ribs aren't moving.

01:29:42.000 I mean, it's just...

01:29:43.000 But guys are going to hear this and go, good, I'm going to stay fat.

01:29:45.000 I don't need a six-pack.

01:29:46.000 Well, but...

01:29:49.000 No, but actually, if you're really using your lungs, you'll strengthen your core in a way that you'll get core.

01:29:58.000 You can have six-pack abs and not have core stability.

01:30:01.000 And you know this, when you look at a lot of, not every single great fighter is just ripped.

01:30:08.000 No.

01:30:09.000 Some of the best ones ever, not ripped at all, like Fedor.

01:30:11.000 Exactly.

01:30:12.000 So, let's talk about that for an example of, you know, that aesthetic isn't always function, right?

01:30:19.000 And, of course, you know, the mind is always ahead of everything.

01:30:23.000 I don't care what the car looks like.

01:30:25.000 It's got no motor.

01:30:26.000 It doesn't do anything.

01:30:26.000 So the body only goes where the brain tells it.

01:30:29.000 But the fact is that you see some of the best athletes.

01:30:32.000 When you look at certain athletes, they're not the physical specimens that you've ever seen.

01:30:37.000 You're like, that guy's the most ripped and shredded.

01:30:39.000 A lot of times, those guys get knocked out.

01:30:41.000 You see the guy come in and he just Oh, this guy's going to kill this guy.

01:30:45.000 And then he just gets annihilated by the guy that looks maybe not quite as hard, right?

01:30:51.000 Part of his genetics.

01:30:53.000 Max Holloway is a perfect example, a Hawaiian guy. 0.99

01:30:55.000 He's not shredded.

01:30:57.000 I mean, he's strong, obviously, but he looks more like a swimmer.

01:31:01.000 Yeah, well, and you might find that his breathing, he might have better air volume.

01:31:07.000 Because at the end of the day, a lot of it's about oxygen.

01:31:09.000 Cardio, yeah.

01:31:11.000 And Max's cardio is off the charts.

01:31:12.000 Exactly.

01:31:13.000 So he's getting more movement out of there.

01:31:15.000 I mean, you know, again, we've created these, you know, aesthetic things in our culture.

01:31:20.000 Like, oh, six-pack abs is a sign of this and da-da-da.

01:31:22.000 But when you look at...

01:31:24.000 Real breath work and how the diaphragm works and how the ribs expand, you realize it's like none of us are really doing it right.

01:31:33.000 And you can actually create more volume.

01:31:35.000 You said you like cordyceps mushrooms?

01:31:37.000 Yes.

01:31:37.000 Well, those are actually a vasodilator.

01:31:39.000 Those help you absorb oxygen.

01:31:41.000 Those can up your VO2 max, right?

01:31:43.000 There's only a couple things that you can, how to increase your VO2 max, but cordyceps is one of them.

01:31:47.000 Beets.

01:31:48.000 Beets is another one.

01:31:49.000 You can create more volume by expanding your lungs.

01:31:52.000 Right.

01:31:52.000 So by opening the rib cage and creating more room, that can promote your VO2 max.

01:31:58.000 Now when people are hearing this and they're hearing breath work, folks who have never done anything like that, they really don't understand what you're saying.

01:32:04.000 What do you mean by breath work?

01:32:06.000 Give us an example of a protocol.

01:32:08.000 Well, I mean, a real simple, I mean, they do it in pranayama.

01:32:11.000 They have it in apnea.

01:32:12.000 There's a thing called holotropic.

01:32:13.000 But breath work really is when you isolate the breathing system. 0.98

01:32:18.000 And, you know, the simplest way, and that's why Wim says, hey, I don't give a shit how you breathe. 1.00

01:32:23.000 Just breathe, motherfucker. 1.00

01:32:24.000 That's right. 1.00

01:32:25.000 Breathe.

01:32:26.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:32:26.000 So, you know, like, we'll do a breath routine, and we'll sit somebody down, and we'll say, okay, breathe like you're running.

01:32:33.000 Breathe like you're running.

01:32:34.000 And we'll tell the guy, breathe like he's running.

01:32:35.000 And they'll go...

01:32:37.000 I go, that's a slow run, buddy.

01:32:39.000 Like, breathe like you're running.

01:32:42.000 You know, like, any time, any movement in any air in and out is a form of breath work, right?

01:32:50.000 And especially when you isolate the system and you're not doing it because of an activity.

01:32:54.000 The fact is that when you use that system and you work it and you're not...

01:32:59.000 Detracting from it by doing an exercise.

01:33:02.000 If you're doing the assault bike where your arms are working and your legs are working, so all the oxygen that you're absorbing is going into your arms and legs.

01:33:09.000 When you're isolated and you just do the breathing alone, now the oxygen is going into that system and that system is going to develop and get better.

01:33:17.000 Then when you do your assault bike after you develop that system.

01:33:21.000 So we'll isolate breath work and we'll just do it alone.

01:33:24.000 Whether we're doing, you know, whether we're doing breath holds, we're doing some kind of apnea breath work, which is, you know, we can do a pattern where you're doing like you hold for 30 seconds, and then you breathe in for 15, and then you breathe out for 15,

01:33:40.000 then you hold again.

01:33:41.000 Then you go in and out and hold, in and out and hold.

01:33:44.000 That's one pattern.

01:33:44.000 Another pattern is in, hold, out, hold.

01:33:49.000 In-hold, out-hold.

01:33:50.000 In-hold, out-hold.

01:33:51.000 Like, you know, again, those are, there's, you know, and then there's pranayama, apnea, holotropic.

01:33:57.000 There's just some where you're oxygenating the system where, you know, like whims would be...

01:34:05.000 Where you just get that rhythm going and do that for five minutes.

01:34:08.000 And people go, wow, I feel lighted.

01:34:09.000 And I go, yeah, because you haven't had oxygen like that in your head.

01:34:12.000 You haven't had oxygen in your system like that, right?

01:34:15.000 So, again, bringing consciousness to your breath.

01:34:20.000 We're not just walking along in life like not thinking about breathing.

01:34:26.000 That's the beginning of breath work.

01:34:28.000 Just awareness of, hey, I need to...

01:34:33.000 You know, I just need to breathe in and out.

01:34:35.000 Just to stay conscious.

01:34:36.000 Yeah, and that's a big one with martial arts.

01:34:39.000 You see in jiu-jitsu with beginners, when they first start sparring for the first time, they panic and they have shallow breath.

01:34:46.000 And you've got to tell them, okay, stop right now, just breathe.

01:34:50.000 Just breathe.

01:34:51.000 Oh, yeah.

01:34:51.000 Well, fight or flight.

01:34:52.000 Fight or flight.

01:34:54.000 But it's interesting how they can't get a deep breath.

01:34:56.000 Yeah.

01:34:57.000 They hyperventilate.

01:34:58.000 Yeah.

01:34:58.000 Well, you put somebody in the ice for the first time that hasn't done it.

01:35:01.000 Oh, yeah.

01:35:01.000 That's the craziest.

01:35:02.000 You want to see it?

01:35:03.000 That's an instantaneous.

01:35:05.000 Oh, yeah.

01:35:06.000 Yeah, you can't breathe.

01:35:07.000 Oh, yeah.

01:35:07.000 But you eventually learn.

01:35:09.000 Well, the system turned.

01:35:12.000 That's actually an involuntary response to get out.

01:35:15.000 Mm-hmm.

01:35:15.000 Right.

01:35:16.000 You have the option, so you should exercise that option.

01:35:19.000 Well, that's an involuntary response.

01:35:20.000 That's your subconscious mind protecting the organism.

01:35:24.000 Like, hey, your body intuitively knows this is dangerous environment.

01:35:28.000 Get out.

01:35:29.000 And so that reaction is to get you to get out.

01:35:31.000 When you make a conscious effort to not leave that environment, then the body goes, oh, okay, you're not going to get out.

01:35:37.000 Okay, well, now I'll organize.

01:35:39.000 I'll bring the blood to the organs.

01:35:40.000 I'll adjust everything.

01:35:41.000 I'll boost your hormones. 0.91

01:35:43.000 And so...

01:35:44.000 And then pretty soon you don't get that response anymore.

01:35:46.000 Once you do it on a regular basis, the body just goes, oh, here we are again, back to that ice thing.

01:35:51.000 Boost the hormones, bring all the blood in the organs.

01:35:54.000 But that's a similar thing to what you're talking about in jiu-jitsu, where people are the stress on the system.

01:36:02.000 They're stressed, and so they're involuntarily...

01:36:05.000 And that's fight or flight.

01:36:06.000 One thing you can really do to calm a kid down is the way you get yourself into parasympathetic, where you bring your thing down...

01:36:14.000 Is when you extend your breath for seven seconds on the inhale and the exhale.

01:36:18.000 That'll bring everything down.

01:36:20.000 Like if you want to calm down or your little kids just all and you get them to just breathe in for seven seconds.

01:36:27.000 Yeah.

01:36:28.000 And I tell people, think about a sigh.

01:36:33.000 My youngest daughter, when she would get upset, she would do that. 0.99

01:36:36.000 And I'd be like, you gotta breathe.

01:36:38.000 You gotta breathe.

01:36:39.000 Calm down.

01:36:40.000 But seven seconds is a magic number.

01:36:41.000 If you can extend the breath for seven seconds, then the body goes into parasympathetic.

01:36:46.000 That's what you do to go to sleep at night, like if you're having a hard time.

01:36:50.000 There's a bunch of stuff to learn about the breath, which is amazing.

01:36:54.000 I think the reason why the breath has always been so important to me is just because of the ocean.

01:37:00.000 Because, you know, growing up when you almost drowned, you know, a thousand times, air is important.

01:37:06.000 You just get to appreciate like there's none down there and it's all up there.

01:37:11.000 And so be cool down there.

01:37:13.000 So when you see you can get back up.

01:37:15.000 Well, I learned breath work because of Hicks and Gracie.

01:37:18.000 I'm watching Hicks and Gracie practice yoga.

01:37:21.000 He's a friend.

01:37:21.000 Oh, you know Hicks?

01:37:22.000 You know he does that?

01:37:23.000 What is that called?

01:37:24.000 That stomach thing?

01:37:25.000 What is that stomach thing called? 0.96

01:37:26.000 Well, that's the pranayama.

01:37:27.000 Yes, but there's a name for it.

01:37:29.000 Yeah, where you twist the... 0.94

01:37:31.000 Yeah, he really sucks his organs up in.

01:37:34.000 His son can do it amazingly.

01:37:36.000 Crone can do it amazingly. 1.00

01:37:37.000 Yeah, it's super good for you.

01:37:39.000 Good for the organs.

01:37:40.000 Yeah.

01:37:41.000 And the ability to control your breath like that is so critical when you're sparring.

01:37:45.000 So critical to get oxygen in these long training sessions.

01:37:49.000 Well, for your life.

01:37:50.000 Yeah.

01:37:50.000 For your life.

01:37:51.000 Anytime you're in the stress, if you can control your breath, that controls your heart rate.

01:37:55.000 Yeah.

01:37:55.000 Do you ever do 30 seconds in, 30 seconds out?

01:37:58.000 Do you ever do that?

01:37:59.000 Yeah.

01:37:59.000 Just slow, deep breaths in, slow, deep breaths out.

01:38:03.000 That's an amazing exercise.

01:38:04.000 Yeah.

01:38:05.000 Well, that's the extension of that parasympathetic.

01:38:09.000 Seven is just the minimum amount.

01:38:11.000 But whenever you go into any of those long extended stuff, and then those breath holds, anytime you hold the breath, then you get that CO2 level.

01:38:19.000 And that's what gives you the angst to, you know.

01:38:22.000 What's interesting because, you know, Wim's done like some record-breaking stuff and you have that free diving stuff where they scrub oxygen, you know, where they hyperventilate and scrub the CO2 and get that real low, but you have to be careful about shallow water blackout.

01:38:34.000 So we don't really practice any of that stuff.

01:38:36.000 We do more like a salt bike, jump in the pool and see how long you can hold your breath.

01:38:41.000 Yeah.

01:38:42.000 And then, you know, five, ten seconds is like, that's big time.

01:38:47.000 Fifteen seconds, you're like, wow, that was amazing.

01:38:49.000 At maximum heart rate, how long can you hold your heart?

01:38:52.000 I mean, how long can you hold your breath?

01:38:53.000 That's a challenge.

01:38:55.000 So you're keeping a soft bike right next to the pool?

01:38:57.000 Yeah.

01:38:57.000 Yeah, just for punishment.

01:38:58.000 So you get one and roll, you roll it into the sauna?

01:39:00.000 Oh, yeah.

01:39:01.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:39:02.000 Oh, yeah.

01:39:02.000 Wow.

01:39:03.000 Yeah.

01:39:03.000 Wow.

01:39:04.000 God, man.

01:39:05.000 There's always another, you know, twist to the pretzel.

01:39:08.000 Because of your hip, do you have any limitations on other kind of stuff that you can do?

01:39:13.000 I would imagine running would be a real problem.

01:39:16.000 I like deep texture running, so soft sand because of the foot and the articulation of the feet and not wearing shoes.

01:39:27.000 So I'll do beach, I'll do sand running.

01:39:34.000 Yeah.

01:39:51.000 Absolutely.

01:39:52.000 That stuff is just pounding you.

01:39:54.000 I mean, it's one thing to go in a soft, something that has absorption.

01:39:59.000 You know, like if you're running in the sand or you're running in the snow or you're running in some deep, thick grass or something that's got absorption.

01:40:08.000 But yeah, you go run, you're 180, 200 pounds and you're running, you just pound everything.

01:40:13.000 It's just seven times your body weight on the download.

01:40:16.000 And then you're wearing a shoe and That's, you know, that's kind of deceiving you.

01:40:20.000 It's a little bit like a sunglass.

01:40:22.000 You know, you think it's blocking the light, but it's letting the bad light in.

01:40:25.000 You know, you think it's blocking the absorption, but you're just getting pounded.

01:40:29.000 I mean, you're, and your feet are, you know, I mean, barefoot is so important.

01:40:33.000 Grounding is so important.

01:40:34.000 I mean, these are, these are things, but I have a new, I have a cool bike that I just, somebody just gave me recently called a stand-up bike, which the company called Elliptigo, but It's a standing bike.

01:40:46.000 It's positioned for standing alone.

01:40:48.000 The posture is unbelievable.

01:40:50.000 You want to grind on a hill.

01:40:52.000 You don't need running.

01:40:53.000 Then you have zero impact.

01:40:56.000 I think running is hard.

01:40:58.000 I understand the high of running.

01:41:01.000 For me, real running is barefoot in some soft sand.

01:41:06.000 I have this one beach in Hawaii that I run on that's a little bit like quicksand.

01:41:10.000 You'll sink in like mid You know, lower, lower, lower calf.

01:41:15.000 Like, you know, you'll sink in a foot into it.

01:41:18.000 Oh, wow.

01:41:18.000 And you don't need to go far.

01:41:20.000 Like, you don't need to go.

01:41:21.000 And you know what a taro patch is?

01:41:23.000 No.

01:41:23.000 So, I grew up farming, like, around on a pig farm and then with taro patches and fishing.

01:41:30.000 And so, I kind of grew up in a, but there's a taro, a taro patch is a rice paddy, pretty much mud.

01:41:37.000 Right?

01:41:37.000 And so we grew up working in that stuff and walking and carrying buckets and being in that mud.

01:41:42.000 The sloshing.

01:41:43.000 The mud.

01:41:44.000 Like a foot-deep mud.

01:41:45.000 But I'm saying an environment like that where you have to pull your foot out and then sink in where it's absorbing the impact.

01:41:52.000 I mean, that's where work...

01:41:54.000 I always question the damage versus the work, right?

01:41:57.000 Like the pounding that you – and most – I mean, once you're a certain size, the pounding that you get, I think you can get all the cardio you want.

01:42:06.000 Do jump rope.

01:42:07.000 Jump rope's great.

01:42:08.000 You're landing on your toe.

01:42:08.000 You're doing the thing about when you're running, inevitably people go to heel striking.

01:42:12.000 They're landing on their heels because they have a shoe that they – so they think they're getting – You know, they think they're getting protected because they're landing on something kind of soft, but it's still sending the, you know, that impact up your spine.

01:42:22.000 And inevitably, anything you do and you come back and your back hurts, I have to question, like, is that optimum?

01:42:29.000 You know, and that wasn't deadlift either.

01:42:30.000 It was, you know...

01:42:31.000 Right, right.

01:42:32.000 Yeah.

01:42:33.000 But what about your friend, the Muay Thai fighter?

01:42:36.000 But he runs like very super short, short step, balls of his feet.

01:42:44.000 And I would call it more like, I don't even know how to describe the pace, but it's a slow pace that you're landing on the toes the whole time.

01:42:53.000 So it's not like a run, you know, a hard run where you're pounding.

01:42:57.000 Right.

01:42:58.000 So he's probably doing like 10 minute miles or something like that?

01:43:00.000 I don't know.

01:43:01.000 I don't even know what his range is.

01:43:02.000 You'd have to ask Mr. Tom Jones.

01:43:05.000 Well, I think running off your toe is great.

01:43:07.000 Yeah.

01:43:07.000 But the problem is the shoes, the running shoes.

01:43:10.000 Who does it?

01:43:10.000 Right.

01:43:11.000 Who does it?

01:43:11.000 I do.

01:43:12.000 I run with minimalist shoes.

01:43:13.000 Yeah.

01:43:14.000 And I only run hills.

01:43:15.000 But here's a standing bike. 0.93

01:43:16.000 That is ridiculous. 0.70

01:43:17.000 I wouldn't be caught dead in that thing. 0.95

01:43:21.000 Well, that's the elliptical.

01:43:23.000 They have a new one that's just a pedal.

01:43:26.000 I'm just kidding.

01:43:26.000 I think it looks awesome.

01:43:27.000 No, but you know why the guy made that? 0.79

01:43:29.000 It's silly.

01:43:29.000 Because the guy was a runner and couldn't run anymore, got injured.

01:43:33.000 And then he started to bike, and he said, biking's not running.

01:43:36.000 And so then he developed that thing because it simulates running without the impact.

01:43:42.000 Like I said, that's why I like the pool.

01:43:45.000 And I think, too, it's like if you think about doing things forever.

01:43:49.000 We're talking about doing things forever, right?

01:43:52.000 Yes.

01:43:52.000 So we're talking about doing things forever.

01:43:53.000 So how are we going to do them so we can do them forever?

01:43:56.000 No impact.

01:43:57.000 Well, so reducing impact.

01:43:59.000 And if you actually started doing that initially, then you might not have to worry about trying to recover from all that stuff that you...

01:44:07.000 So it's like we don't want to train in a way that we're going to have to change our training to try to...

01:44:12.000 Make up because all the damage we've done.

01:44:14.000 Let's try to avoid the damage from the beginning.

01:44:16.000 It's already too late for me.

01:44:17.000 I got seven, you know, I got six broken ankles.

01:44:20.000 Jesus Christ, look at your ankle.

01:44:22.000 Do that again. 0.95

01:44:23.000 What the hell did you just do? 0.57

01:44:24.000 Your ankle has a golf ball growing out of it.

01:44:25.000 Well, it's been broke six or seven times.

01:44:27.000 Broke the arch.

01:44:28.000 Broke all the meditators.

01:44:29.000 Just from surfing?

01:44:30.000 All different.

01:44:31.000 Motorbike, surfing, snowboarding.

01:44:33.000 How did you mess up your hip?

01:44:35.000 Probably because of walking on a broken ankle for all those years.

01:44:40.000 Because each time I broke it, I had five or six different breaks.

01:44:43.000 And then I would keep going.

01:44:44.000 So I would keep walking on it.

01:44:46.000 But that means I had to carry the load on my right hip.

01:44:49.000 So I think I just wore the cartilage out from offsetting and carrying the load of the broken leg.

01:44:55.000 Jesus.

01:44:55.000 So that was...

01:44:56.000 But so, I mean, it's...

01:44:58.000 So it wasn't like one injury where you hurt your hip.

01:45:00.000 It was just slow.

01:45:01.000 No, I just wore it out.

01:45:03.000 I said I lived a couple lives with that one.

01:45:05.000 That was only a one life hip and I had three lives in it.

01:45:09.000 What is it like having a fake hip?

01:45:12.000 Insane.

01:45:12.000 Incredible.

01:45:13.000 Bionic.

01:45:14.000 The thing's not even in my brain.

01:45:17.000 Not even...

01:45:18.000 How so?

01:45:19.000 I don't ever even bring it into consciousness.

01:45:24.000 And it's slicker.

01:45:25.000 It's like a Mercedes-Benz ball joint.

01:45:28.000 I mean, it's...

01:45:29.000 Absolutely perfect.

01:45:30.000 Wow.

01:45:31.000 And, you know, I mean, I've had ACL. I had some knee stuff before.

01:45:35.000 That was harder to recover from than the hip.

01:45:36.000 The hip was...

01:45:37.000 I just felt like I got kicked by a horse for a couple months.

01:45:40.000 And then after that, it was like no-brainer.

01:45:42.000 Jump off a cliff.

01:45:43.000 Go stand up, paddle, run.

01:45:45.000 I mean...

01:45:46.000 Do they tell you to not do certain things?

01:45:48.000 No.

01:45:48.000 Really?

01:45:49.000 No.

01:45:50.000 Like you could just start taking jiu-jitsu?

01:45:52.000 Don't do anything you should do with your real one.

01:45:54.000 Really?

01:45:55.000 That's it?

01:45:55.000 Don't do anything you shouldn't do with your real one.

01:45:57.000 Yeah.

01:45:57.000 Right.

01:45:58.000 Absolutely.

01:45:59.000 That was the only thing.

01:46:00.000 I mean, the guy, Dr. Penenberg, who did mine, he did it to a contortionist.

01:46:06.000 I guess some contortionist had some blown hips, and he did it to, and the girl's still performing and stuff. 1.00

01:46:12.000 Whoa! 0.71

01:46:13.000 I think it's...

01:46:14.000 I mean, this stuff is...

01:46:15.000 The technology is amazing.

01:46:18.000 And the thing that I would consider if I ever had to do it again is that the atrophy from the initial problem is harder to recover from than you just going and getting a new one.

01:46:32.000 And I think when people push it, you know, they used to try to push that stuff because they wanted to wait for the technology got better and they only last 15 years and all that stuff.

01:46:41.000 But...

01:46:42.000 But the atrophy that you try to recover from is harder to recover from than if you would have gone and gotten it done as soon as you needed to have it done.

01:46:52.000 So the one you have now, you have to get it swapped out every 15 years?

01:46:55.000 No.

01:46:55.000 No, no, no.

01:46:56.000 Back in the early days?

01:46:57.000 Well, they don't know how long this new stuff lasts.

01:47:00.000 They had some material that wore out after...

01:47:04.000 Because there's a...

01:47:07.000 Some kind of polyurethane, some kind of...

01:47:09.000 Slick outer layer?

01:47:10.000 Well, like a cartilage, like a man-made cartilage between the ball joint and the socket.

01:47:15.000 And so that stuff wore out in the past.

01:47:19.000 And they have this new stuff that has been in for 10 years and a lot of people are already, and they've seen zero wear on it.

01:47:26.000 So, you know, it could be 30, could be, you know, could be 10. I mean, I was actually...

01:47:32.000 I stayed conscious and I was able to stay awake for my hip surgery.

01:47:37.000 Why did you do that?

01:47:37.000 Because I didn't want to have to recover from the...

01:47:40.000 Anesthesia?

01:47:40.000 Yeah.

01:47:41.000 Really?

01:47:41.000 Yeah, it takes people a month to get the anesthesia out of their system.

01:47:44.000 Really?

01:47:44.000 Oh, yeah.

01:47:45.000 To try to get the anesthesia...

01:47:46.000 I mean, anesthesia is controlled death.

01:47:48.000 They just put you right to the edge of dying and keep you alive.

01:47:51.000 I mean, anesthesia is some hard stuff on your system.

01:47:53.000 To get that stuff out of your organs, you got to do like a full detox cleanse.

01:47:58.000 It's not just like, oh, yeah, anesthesia...

01:48:00.000 I've never heard that before.

01:48:01.000 I didn't know that. 0.99

01:48:02.000 I thought you'd feel like shit for a day or two, but I didn't know it takes a month. 1.00

01:48:06.000 That shit's in your organs and stuff. 1.00

01:48:07.000 There's no way that stuff just goes out. 1.00

01:48:09.000 They can't dose you out and knock you out like that without that stuff lingering.

01:48:15.000 I mean, you know, how long does it take when you've got a hangover?

01:48:17.000 So did they do like an epidural block on you?

01:48:20.000 Epidural block, yeah.

01:48:21.000 And they had it so good that they could just isolate the left...

01:48:25.000 The left hip.

01:48:27.000 They did that to me when I had my first ACL surgery.

01:48:30.000 I wanted to see it.

01:48:31.000 Yeah.

01:48:31.000 Because I was like, I want to watch.

01:48:33.000 I felt like I'm only going to do this once in my life.

01:48:36.000 I want to see this.

01:48:36.000 Turns out I had three of them.

01:48:38.000 Yeah.

01:48:39.000 Three knee surgeries.

01:48:40.000 But I wanted to see it.

01:48:41.000 I wanted to be there.

01:48:43.000 Observe.

01:48:43.000 It was pretty freaky.

01:48:44.000 Yeah.

01:48:44.000 It was ACL? Yeah.

01:48:45.000 I had ACL too.

01:48:46.000 Yeah.

01:48:46.000 I had ACL the right leg.

01:48:48.000 Yeah.

01:48:49.000 I had a cadaver.

01:48:50.000 I had a cadaver on my right leg and the left leg I had a patellar tendon ground.

01:48:53.000 Oh, yeah.

01:48:54.000 Yeah.

01:48:54.000 So now your hip doesn't even...

01:48:57.000 You don't feel it.

01:48:58.000 You don't feel anything.

01:48:59.000 Not even in the wheel.

01:49:00.000 Not even a thought.

01:49:01.000 Wow.

01:49:01.000 Not even like amazing.

01:49:03.000 And it was debilitating.

01:49:05.000 I could barely walk.

01:49:06.000 I mean, I could still surf, but I'd get to land and I was hobbling around like...

01:49:11.000 My friend Maynard from Tool, you know the band Tool?

01:49:14.000 Maynard is a jiu-jitsu enthusiast and he had to get his hip done and he fucked his hip up from stomping on stage because he's always stomping with one leg.

01:49:23.000 He blew his hip out. 0.57

01:49:25.000 Well, I think mine's attributed a lot to my back leg in surfing.

01:49:29.000 So I'm on that back leg and that back leg is always loaded.

01:49:32.000 Loaded.

01:49:35.000 But I know the breaks in the left ankle and left foot and how many I had and that I was always on it.

01:49:43.000 I know that attributed it a lot because this right leg carried the load for that thing.

01:49:48.000 Did you get your left leg fixed?

01:49:51.000 My ankle?

01:49:51.000 The ankle, yeah.

01:49:52.000 Nah, I just let it calcify.

01:49:53.000 So every time it broke?

01:49:55.000 Listen, I went to my knee, to get my knee worked on, and the guy goes, he saw my ankle, and he goes, and then he saw how much mobility I had, and he called in some foot specialists, and they had to take x-ray.

01:50:06.000 They just wanted to see, because I have no metal in there.

01:50:08.000 There's no screws, there's no nothing.

01:50:10.000 I just let it, you know, it just bone grew.

01:50:11.000 So every time it snapped, you just let it sort of heal itself up?

01:50:15.000 Yeah.

01:50:15.000 So it snapped, and you just walk around on it?

01:50:17.000 Yeah.

01:50:19.000 Pretty much.

01:50:20.000 Cut the cast off.

01:50:21.000 The first time when I was 16, I cut the cast off and I went out and re-broke it the first time.

01:50:28.000 And then I had broke it other ways.

01:50:30.000 It got a little smarter after I re-broke it.

01:50:33.000 That's so crazy.

01:50:34.000 And then the arch.

01:50:35.000 I broke the arch because the ankle was so bonded that when I broke it, I actually broke my arch.

01:50:42.000 That was probably the most painful thing.

01:50:52.000 What?

01:51:08.000 Really?

01:51:11.000 75%.

01:51:12.000 In terms of numbers.

01:51:13.000 Yeah, numbers of bones.

01:51:14.000 But your feet have like half the bones of your entire body.

01:51:19.000 God, I never thought of that.

01:51:21.000 That's crazy. 1.00

01:51:22.000 But there's a lot of shit down there. 1.00

01:51:24.000 A lot. 1.00

01:51:25.000 A lot going on.

01:51:25.000 A lot.

01:51:26.000 Little ones and little nubs and weird little ankle. 1.00

01:51:30.000 See, that's why kickboxing is so stupid. 0.99

01:51:32.000 You're throwing those things at people and slamming them into elbows and knees and stuff. 1.00

01:51:37.000 I've fucked my feet up a bunch of times. 0.99

01:51:39.000 Oh, guaranteed. 0.98

01:51:40.000 Yeah, I've broken my feet.

01:51:41.000 Nothing like kicking something and breaking your feet.

01:51:43.000 Yeah, elbows.

01:51:44.000 It's a little embarrassing if it's a wall, though.

01:51:46.000 Oh, yeah.

01:51:46.000 Yeah, for sure.

01:51:47.000 Is that what you kicked?

01:51:49.000 No, I'm just saying.

01:51:50.000 No, mine was, like I said, I broke.

01:51:52.000 Mine broke mostly sports-related.

01:51:54.000 Motorbike, windsurfing.

01:51:57.000 Ugh.

01:51:58.000 You know, towing.

01:51:59.000 Yeah.

01:52:00.000 Well, I guess with as many injuries as you've had, though, you do understand what's good and what's bad for you.

01:52:07.000 For sure.

01:52:08.000 Yeah.

01:52:08.000 You hope.

01:52:09.000 But you know what's interesting?

01:52:10.000 It's a little bit like in karate where when you know how to heal, you know how to wound.

01:52:15.000 Interesting.

01:52:16.000 You know, that the more you understand, it's like, I think my injuries, first of all, it's a form of failure.

01:52:24.000 I think that is taught.

01:52:25.000 I've learned a few things from them.

01:52:27.000 And you learn also how to recover and how to heal.

01:52:30.000 And so I think that feeds into how to train and perform.

01:52:35.000 I think that's all interrelated because you start to have a more intimate relationship with your body and know how it responds.

01:52:40.000 So I think there's something, I mean, you don't learn a lot from winning.

01:52:43.000 You know, and succeeding.

01:52:45.000 That doesn't teach you anything compared to losing.

01:52:47.000 Yeah.

01:52:48.000 You know, losing teaches you, and in a way, injuries are forms of loss.

01:52:53.000 Sure.

01:52:54.000 They're, you know.

01:52:55.000 Unsuccessful endeavors.

01:52:56.000 Yeah.

01:52:57.000 Yeah.

01:52:57.000 When you lose your, and then you lose your ability to do stuff, and then you wonder why you're doing it, and if you're going to be able to do it again.

01:53:04.000 Yeah.

01:53:04.000 All that stuff.

01:53:05.000 Do you float at all?

01:53:07.000 No, but I saw your float tank.

01:53:09.000 You've never done it?

01:53:09.000 I haven't.

01:53:10.000 Oh, man.

01:53:11.000 I thought that would be right up your alley.

01:53:13.000 I know.

01:53:13.000 I've been invited.

01:53:15.000 My friend has one in Malibu.

01:53:17.000 I just haven't ever gone there.

01:53:18.000 You can use this one anytime you want.

01:53:19.000 Yeah, I should try to come over and float in that thing.

01:53:21.000 Come on down, man.

01:53:22.000 Anytime you want, it's here.

01:53:23.000 I can tell there's salt in there by the way everything's crusting up in the back.

01:53:28.000 Guaranteed, yeah.

01:53:29.000 It's 1,000 pounds of Epsom salt in that tank.

01:53:31.000 Yeah.

01:53:32.000 Yeah, if you're anytime...

01:53:34.000 Well, I have an ocean, so I float there.

01:53:35.000 That helps, but there's a lot of noise in the ocean.

01:53:37.000 No, it's true.

01:53:38.000 It's just for meditation.

01:53:39.000 But that's what you love about the pool, because you're floating already, as soon as you go under.

01:53:43.000 I actually have speakers underwater.

01:53:45.000 In your pool, really?

01:53:46.000 Oh, you play music?

01:53:47.000 Oh, wow.

01:53:48.000 So you can get lost over there.

01:53:50.000 It's pretty cool.

01:53:51.000 So, what other things do you do besides the curl, press, jump thing?

01:53:57.000 Like, what other types of exercises are you doing in the pool?

01:53:59.000 We're doing, you know, like single dumbbell.

01:54:03.000 Oh, like cleans?

01:54:04.000 Single arm dumbbell and then stroke, get a breath, free fall.

01:54:09.000 So, you're doing single arm jumping.

01:54:11.000 Oh, okay.

01:54:12.000 And then we're doing swapping hands.

01:54:13.000 Single arm swimming.

01:54:14.000 Oh.

01:54:15.000 Single arm swimming, carrying dumbbell.

01:54:17.000 I call that an ammo box.

01:54:18.000 How much weight are you doing that with?

01:54:19.000 We can do like 50, 60 pounds.

01:54:21.000 Wow.

01:54:21.000 It's called an ammo box.

01:54:23.000 It'd be like if you had an ammo box and you had to swim across the river.

01:54:25.000 Like that's kind of the concept.

01:54:26.000 We have cell phone.

01:54:28.000 We have the Yuki.

01:54:29.000 Cell phone?

01:54:30.000 Do you keep your hand out of the water?

01:54:31.000 Yeah.

01:54:32.000 And hold and swim with your hand out.

01:54:34.000 Oh, wow.

01:54:34.000 And then a bunch of, like I said, single leg stuff.

01:54:38.000 So a lot of like Russian pistol squat, jump lunges.

01:54:45.000 What else?

01:54:46.000 A bunch of, oh, fast breaks where we're doing this one where we drop down, you run along the bottom with two dumbbells to the other side, you set one dumbbell up, you jump up, you bring one dumbbell out, you go back down, grab the other one, bring that one out and then pull both of them out and drop back down and run back out.

01:55:02.000 We call that one fast break, kind of mimicking like if it was a basketball court.

01:55:05.000 You'd run down, you jump up twice, run back, jump up twice.

01:55:08.000 Yeah.

01:55:09.000 And then we have Spider-Man.

01:55:11.000 I mean, Spider-Man's one where you swim, you carry a dumbbell, and you descend into one end.

01:55:17.000 You jump up, you grab, you get a breath, you descend into the other end.

01:55:21.000 And then all these exercises, we're able to make them harder.

01:55:27.000 We'll do them on an exhale.

01:55:29.000 So to ramp up, we can either increase weight, we can increase distance, or we can do it on an exhale.

01:55:38.000 When you developed all this stuff, did you write all this down from your own practice, from all trial and error?

01:55:44.000 Like, how did you develop this method?

01:55:46.000 Well, some of them came from failure.

01:55:48.000 So, you know, you try to do one move and then you'd fail.

01:55:50.000 Some of them came from friends that I was working out with that would, oh, well, let's try this, and then we'd modify it.

01:55:57.000 Some of them came from my daughter.

01:55:59.000 I watched my daughter, my one daughter, swim down one day and grab a weight and then try to swim up with it.

01:56:03.000 I'm like, oh, that's a great move.

01:56:05.000 And, you know, so we...

01:56:07.000 Some of it came out of necessity for movement, like certain dynamic movements that the basketball guy, you know, one of my friends needed.

01:56:16.000 And then, so it naturally, all the movements kind of naturally evolved.

01:56:21.000 I think that's why they're all so great.

01:56:23.000 Great.

01:56:24.000 And there's an isolation to each limb.

01:56:26.000 So we have an isolation so you can really see if the dexterity of your right arm versus your left arm and how strong it is versus the other one, how strong one leg is next to the other one, the ranges of motion and the mobility.

01:56:41.000 We can do back flips and front flips, multiple.

01:56:44.000 So you jump up and get a breath and then do multiple flips.

01:57:09.000 Mm-hmm.

01:57:12.000 And then we have the distance element, and then we have the weight because we have weight.

01:57:17.000 So we have the weight element.

01:57:18.000 So those are different ways that we can ramp it up.

01:57:22.000 So when you're developing this program, are you writing all this stuff down?

01:57:25.000 Are you doing these workouts yourself and saying, okay, I really started to fatigue after 30 of these, so we'll try to...

01:57:32.000 Well, I have a group of guys that train, that come to my house to train six days a week.

01:57:36.000 Six days a week?

01:57:38.000 Yeah.

01:57:38.000 In Malibu or in Kauai?

01:57:39.000 Yeah, in Malibu.

01:57:40.000 Oh.

01:57:40.000 So because Malibu's is summertime.

01:57:43.000 Right.

01:57:44.000 And summertime is when it's really like the season for training because there's no surf.

01:57:48.000 In the wintertime, you're not going to train and then have a giant swell and be tired. 0.99

01:57:52.000 That would be just stupid.

01:57:53.000 So you never want to let – the problem with it is that you get – I tell people, I go, listen, probably in any sport, you get the most out of shape – During the season. 0.98

01:58:03.000 You're in a certain kind of shape, game shape, but you're really not in shape because you can't have a regimented workout routine.

01:58:10.000 If you're competing.

01:58:11.000 No.

01:58:12.000 Right, of course.

01:58:16.000 The ocean's dictating the performance, right?

01:58:19.000 So you can be, oh, there's going to be 20 feet next, you know, in three days.

01:58:23.000 And then all of a sudden, you show that there's not, there's no surf.

01:58:26.000 It's only half the size or the wind screws it up or something.

01:58:29.000 So you get all that buildup.

01:58:30.000 So we have to do things to kind of exhaust the energy, but you can't be in a nice Monday, Wednesday, Friday pool training with Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday, you know, lifting mobility and yoga and whatever, you know, it's like you can't get into that kind of a rhythm and, you know, Right.

01:59:05.000 You know, ride the mountain or do whatever you're going to do.

01:59:09.000 But in that summertime routine, I have a group of guys, and we bounce everything off of each other.

01:59:16.000 So we'll do 10, and he'll do 10, and he'll do 10. I'll be like, yeah, that was good.

01:59:20.000 Okay, up the weight.

01:59:21.000 Okay, oh, 20 is too many, or that weight's too much, or that weight's enough.

01:59:25.000 And so it's evolved naturally that way.

01:59:28.000 And then...

01:59:29.000 And then I got some other friends that are a little bit more professional.

01:59:33.000 We have a friend of mine, PJ, who's been involved with all of the stuff around XPT to write programming and do that kind of stuff.

01:59:42.000 He trains a lot of fighters and it's great in mobility and training.

01:59:46.000 And some other training stuff.

01:59:48.000 So he'll come in and they start to really break it down and make it into a real program.

01:59:54.000 But we have routines that we do.

01:59:56.000 We have circuits that we do that we know how...

02:00:01.000 Yeah.

02:00:25.000 Give you some things that are a little lighter.

02:00:27.000 Now we can take that 50-gallon tank, we can drag it out and make it last two hours, right?

02:00:33.000 Because we're doing higher volume, less weight, and so we're breathing more often.

02:00:38.000 We can expand that thing.

02:00:40.000 So everything in between, just blowing that whole tank up at once.

02:00:46.000 Right?

02:00:46.000 Through real intense breath hold with maximum weight.

02:00:49.000 You know, max breath hold, max weight, max rep.

02:00:53.000 Okay, we're good.

02:00:54.000 We're, I mean, it's, and I think lifting's the same way.

02:00:56.000 You know, it's like how many max lifts do you have in a certain day and how many per week do you have?

02:01:03.000 It's real tangible in the pool.

02:01:04.000 The pool's real, you know, the interesting thing about the pool is that it doesn't get, you don't get muscle soreness because of that compression.

02:01:11.000 So you don't get that, like, wow, I'm sore.

02:01:13.000 You get it, you go, almost every single person that comes, I always say, you know, you got to call me and tell me if you fell asleep at lunch.

02:01:21.000 And every guy, every person, you know, I was in the thing and just in their desk at the work or whatever, just fall asleep, like, guaranteed.

02:01:31.000 And some guys, you know, oh, I fell asleep for an hour.

02:01:34.000 I saw 20 minutes, 10 minutes, you know, but everybody, nighty-night.

02:01:37.000 Why is that?

02:01:38.000 I don't know.

02:01:39.000 I think it has a lot to do with the oxygen and the taxation of that environment.

02:01:44.000 But it exhausts you in a terminal way.

02:01:50.000 It's a complete exhaustion.

02:01:53.000 And I don't know why part of it is the threat of being underwater.

02:01:57.000 Part of it is that the water is sucking the calories out of you.

02:02:02.000 You know, because it's like when they were talking to Phelps about burning all those calories.

02:02:09.000 Well, you know, three-quarters of the calories he was burning is because he was in a 70-degree pool.

02:02:13.000 And people go, well, it's a 75-degree pool.

02:02:15.000 And I go, yeah, but the body's 98.6.

02:02:18.000 So for the body to keep itself warm over in three hours, it's at 75. That's 20-degree differentiation.

02:02:24.000 You got to keep – the body's just working to keep itself warm.

02:02:28.000 And because the water – It affects you more than the air.

02:02:32.000 It's more intense on your system.

02:02:35.000 You just get tapped.

02:02:37.000 So the water temperature, the oxygen load, the psychology of being underwater with weights, the workload that it's taking, all those things play into just full, thorough exhaustion.

02:02:51.000 And nothing I do exhausts me more thoroughly and yet more...

02:02:57.000 Kind of comfortably than that.

02:03:00.000 Because you don't have experience joint pain.

02:03:03.000 Well, you're not wounded.

02:03:04.000 If I train that hard in the gym, I'll feel hurt after.

02:03:07.000 I'll be wounded.

02:03:08.000 I'll be a little like, and if I move wrong or something, I'll be like, oh, you feel like something, you tweak something.

02:03:14.000 So this allows you to do this six days a week?

02:03:17.000 That's one of the reasons why you can do it so often.

02:03:18.000 Well, it actually helps flush the other days when you're doing other land training.

02:03:22.000 So it actually helps support your – but no, I mean, we're not doing – we're doing pool training probably every other day.

02:03:28.000 It's just I end up turning the kind of – I love being in the pool so much that we do a thing called surf and turf.

02:03:35.000 So we have surf and turf where you're doing some sort of burpee press, some kind of lifting on the deck into the water, and then a routine in the water, and then back on the deck and back in the water.

02:03:46.000 You might be doing...

02:03:47.000 We have a move called...

02:03:53.000 Oh, wow.

02:04:00.000 Yeah.

02:04:09.000 I think I enjoy that part of it, just being creative, making it fun, making it interesting.

02:04:16.000 That's the part that really is enticing.

02:04:18.000 Just the drudgery and the monotony, like when you said, oh yeah, swimming laps.

02:04:22.000 I go, that's just like drudgery.

02:04:25.000 Which there's a mentality for that.

02:04:27.000 I can be good at that.

02:04:29.000 I can get on my board and I've done some endurance stuff.

02:04:34.000 I paddled 22 hours one time.

02:04:37.000 22 hours?

02:04:38.000 Yeah.

02:04:39.000 Oh.

02:04:40.000 Yeah.

02:04:40.000 So I've done...

02:04:41.000 Why'd you do that?

02:04:42.000 I actually did a thing on Hawaii called the Hawaii 500. We called it the Hawaii 500. We started on the south point of Big Island, and we biked across the Big Island, so 125 miles.

02:04:51.000 Then we paddled to Maui at 38 miles, and then we biked across Maui, and then we paddled to Molokai, and then we biked across Molokai, then we paddled to Oahu, then we biked across Oahu, then we paddled to Kauai, then we biked across Kauai, and we did that in five days.

02:05:04.000 Jeez.

02:05:06.000 What's day six like?

02:05:08.000 That's when you start coming good.

02:05:12.000 It's the end, but you're good.

02:05:14.000 No, it's what you said about Eddie.

02:05:19.000 All of a sudden, the body's like, oh, is this our new house?

02:05:24.000 Is this what we do?

02:05:27.000 Once the body makes that decision, all of a sudden, you're good.

02:05:32.000 Like, okay, I'm good.

02:05:34.000 I mean, the hands had blisters everywhere, but...

02:05:38.000 The body felt like, oh, this is where we, you know, I did Race Across America with Wildman.

02:05:45.000 He talked me into it.

02:05:46.000 I didn't want to do it, and he suckered me into it.

02:05:49.000 And he said, because I was like, he had other plans, because he was an operator, and he's like, he wanted me to go in this race, and it's a four-man team.

02:05:59.000 You know what Ram is?

02:06:00.000 It's called the Race Across America. 0.95

02:06:02.000 It's a bicycle race across America.

02:06:03.000 You start in Oceanside and in Delaware.

02:06:05.000 And so you bike across and each guy just goes like 45-45-45-45 and then you chase the other guy when he's riding and you get out and then you just go full bore as hard as you can for 45 minutes and the next guy gets on and he goes.

02:06:17.000 But you're riding in the car chasing the other guy and you do this day and night, right?

02:06:21.000 You're doing it day and night and The first couple days, we felt pretty sick.

02:06:27.000 You don't even want water.

02:06:30.000 You look at water and you're like, that's when I really learned how to appreciate kombucha.

02:06:34.000 But we don't even want water.

02:06:37.000 And then day two...

02:06:39.000 Day three, all of a sudden, day three, you're like, wow, stomach thing goes away.

02:06:43.000 I'm ready to go.

02:06:45.000 I feel good.

02:06:46.000 Let's go.

02:06:47.000 But it was that thing about the body being comfortable with that kind of drudgery.

02:06:53.000 But I don't mind the monotony of that, of that kind of like, hey, I'm going to go that island and just, you're going to paddle for...

02:06:59.000 But if I do it in a routine, like something that's a little more...

02:07:05.000 Not out of a mission.

02:07:07.000 Right.

02:07:08.000 Then I'm like, then you just, you know, I don't want to go in and do the same lifting routine day in and day out.

02:07:14.000 It's just not, I prefer creating new stuff and making it interesting and having that, the distraction of the challenge of something new and keep me interested.

02:07:26.000 I get it.

02:07:27.000 It makes sense.

02:07:28.000 Do you, what about massage?

02:07:30.000 Yeah, love it.

02:07:31.000 Live for it.

02:07:32.000 What kind do you get?

02:07:34.000 Only good ones.

02:07:36.000 But I mean, do you get deep tissue?

02:07:39.000 Do you get trigger points?

02:07:40.000 I've done almost every single modality you can think.

02:07:45.000 It's usually about the person.

02:07:46.000 It's usually about the person that gives it and if they're healers or not.

02:07:52.000 So I just try to find healers.

02:07:54.000 When you say healers, what do you mean?

02:07:56.000 The people that do it because they're into taking care of people.

02:08:00.000 They're not doing it as a profession.

02:08:02.000 They don't do it to make money.

02:08:03.000 They make money as a side product, but they're healers. 0.99

02:08:06.000 They just have a gift.

02:08:08.000 You can get 10 massages.

02:08:12.000 And they all can be good.

02:08:14.000 But there's just one of the people that they just have a skill.

02:08:18.000 They know how to touch.

02:08:19.000 They know what it is.

02:08:20.000 They know where.

02:08:20.000 They know how to feel it.

02:08:21.000 They know how to use the system.

02:08:28.000 I've done—the thing that I'm crazy about right now is I'm crazy about dry needling.

02:08:33.000 That's the thing that has been the most profound—I mean, I've done shiatsu and acupuncture and the thing and just—I mean, you know, and rolfing and I've done the 10 series— I've had all those different modalities,

02:08:51.000 but dry needling has been, you know, and then I have another person that just does, and I don't even know what art it is, it's just massage, and she just is able to understand the tissue, and she's relentless, and won't leave it until everything releases,

02:09:11.000 and she knows how to release it.

02:09:12.000 Can you explain dry needling to people?

02:09:14.000 Dry needling is a technique where they use acupuncture needles on soft tissue.

02:09:21.000 And they touch the trigger point and get the stuff to release.

02:09:28.000 It's not acupuncture.

02:09:30.000 It's a different modality that I'm not sure if it's...

02:09:38.000 What states it's legal or not in.

02:09:40.000 I know most of the athletes that I know, they do it a lot in Australia.

02:09:43.000 They do it in Europe.

02:09:45.000 It's not legal in some places?

02:09:46.000 Huh?

02:09:47.000 Some places it's not legal?

02:09:48.000 Yeah.

02:09:48.000 Why?

02:09:49.000 I have no idea.

02:09:50.000 Probably because it works.

02:09:51.000 And somebody's threatened by it.

02:09:53.000 Really?

02:09:53.000 I mean, isn't that usually the case?

02:09:55.000 Well, I guess, or someone doesn't understand it, and they think someone's a quack, and get those needles out of these people.

02:10:01.000 You don't know what you're doing.

02:10:02.000 There's no science here.

02:10:03.000 Yeah.

02:10:03.000 Well, there's some science behind it, but it absolutely is the most functional.

02:10:11.000 I mean, I got friends with giant knots in their traps, and one session, the thing goes away.

02:10:17.000 Extremely intense.

02:10:18.000 Yeah, intense.

02:10:20.000 Yeah.

02:10:22.000 Yeah.

02:10:37.000 You're always looking, right?

02:10:38.000 We're always looking.

02:10:39.000 Hey, we need the heat.

02:10:41.000 We need the ice.

02:10:42.000 We need the thing.

02:10:42.000 We need the food.

02:10:43.000 We need the thing.

02:10:44.000 Where's the turmeric?

02:10:45.000 We always are looking.

02:10:47.000 So when I run into things that are effective, I cherish them because I know that – and the problem is you have a high bar because when you've experienced great work – You just, you can't, you go get somebody who does a little mushy mushy,

02:11:03.000 and you're just like, I don't have time for that.

02:11:06.000 I'll lay still for three hours if I know somebody knows what they're doing.

02:11:10.000 But I won't be there for 20 minutes if somebody, if I feel like it's like, You're half-assed now.

02:11:15.000 Yeah, which is a lot of it.

02:11:17.000 You know, a lot of that stuff's out there.

02:11:19.000 And no fault to the people.

02:11:20.000 I think part of it is just...

02:11:21.000 They probably just don't know.

02:11:22.000 And their intentions.

02:11:23.000 It's got to be your intentions.

02:11:24.000 Why?

02:11:25.000 Why do you do it?

02:11:26.000 Yeah, it's interesting how some people could just find those problem areas.

02:11:30.000 They just, oh, it's right here?

02:11:31.000 And you're like...

02:11:32.000 How do you know?

02:11:33.000 They know.

02:11:33.000 And they feel it with their hands.

02:11:35.000 They see with their hands.

02:11:37.000 And they know right where it's connecting and where to dig in.

02:11:40.000 And how to release it.

02:11:42.000 That's an art.

02:11:43.000 Myofascial release.

02:11:44.000 It's real.

02:11:45.000 It's real.

02:11:45.000 When you're good and somebody really knows what they're doing.

02:11:48.000 That's why I say more about the people than the technique.

02:11:52.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, but give me the person.

02:11:55.000 But that dry needling is the most effective of any of the stuff that I've used.

02:12:03.000 And this person is in California that you use?

02:12:05.000 The girl that helps me is in Hawaii, but they teach in Colorado.

02:12:11.000 It's actually a technique that they developed.

02:12:14.000 Some guys that were studying pain, from my understanding, they were studying pain.

02:12:18.000 And so what they did is they had all these people that were injured in different areas and then they injected them with different solutions and they injected them with like a placebo and like saline and Novocaine and all kinds of different things and everybody got better and what they realized is that it was the needle.

02:12:34.000 I think?

02:12:56.000 Acupuncture is on the meridians and on the electrical system, right? 0.75

02:13:00.000 This is soft tissue.

02:13:01.000 This is to get the soft tissue to release, but they'll take stuff that you've had that's just like a cable somewhere or a knot or something that just won't release.

02:13:12.000 But it's back to that no pain, no gain.

02:13:17.000 Oh yeah, for sure.

02:13:18.000 There's always that. 0.99

02:13:19.000 I got a lady that does trigger point massage and it's the most painful shit I've ever experienced in my life. 1.00

02:13:23.000 You just want to quit. 1.00

02:13:25.000 Absolutely.

02:13:25.000 But when I get out of there the next day, everything's loose and pliable.

02:13:30.000 I've had things that I've really injured myself and she fixed it.

02:13:34.000 And then like a day later, like it doesn't hurt anymore.

02:13:36.000 I'm like, this is strange.

02:13:38.000 And it's been hurt like for months.

02:13:39.000 Yes.

02:13:40.000 So there was something in there that was knotted up.

02:13:42.000 Yeah.

02:13:43.000 And I always assume that that's an injury.

02:13:45.000 And sometimes it's not an injury.

02:13:47.000 It's not.

02:13:48.000 Yeah.

02:13:48.000 It's just the tissue.

02:13:49.000 It's just not releasing.

02:13:51.000 Yeah.

02:13:52.000 Well, and this has something to do with the fascia and some other stuff going on that they have to know how to release it.

02:13:59.000 Sauna seems to help that quite a bit, too.

02:14:01.000 And ice, crazy.

02:14:02.000 The combination of those two are...

02:14:03.000 I mean, that's...

02:14:04.000 What I've found is that sauna and ice...

02:14:08.000 Kind of eliminate the need, really, to get worked on unless it's super acute.

02:14:13.000 Right.

02:14:13.000 Like, if it's super acute, then you need somebody to go in there and put the jackhammer on it.

02:14:22.000 But if it's not acute like that, just the normal maintenance and actually preventing the stuff from getting to a point where you really need to get the work, the sauna is magic.

02:14:33.000 That stuff is...

02:14:34.000 Crazy good.

02:14:35.000 And it seems to me that when I've been ramping up the temperature, like in the 200s and now in the 210s, it seems more effective.

02:14:42.000 More effective.

02:14:43.000 Yeah.

02:14:43.000 More effective.

02:14:44.000 Well, it's more intense.

02:14:45.000 Yeah.

02:14:45.000 More torture.

02:14:46.000 Yeah.

02:14:47.000 More torture.

02:14:47.000 And then more results.

02:14:48.000 But I'm a little bit...

02:14:49.000 You know, and I don't know.

02:14:50.000 Maybe it's something you can find out.

02:14:52.000 But this thing with...

02:14:53.000 I'm a little...

02:15:02.000 Yeah.

02:15:17.000 Damages the collagen in your body.

02:15:19.000 Well, it affects the structure of the skin because of the penetration of it.

02:15:23.000 And that the most you should ever do is...

02:15:25.000 And these aren't my words.

02:15:27.000 But the most you should ever do is three times a week for 15 minutes at the most.

02:15:33.000 For infrared.

02:15:34.000 Yeah.

02:15:35.000 And he was saying that...

02:15:37.000 And you should never look at it as well.

02:15:40.000 Jesus.

02:15:41.000 Like it's harmful to the eyes.

02:15:43.000 Yeah.

02:15:44.000 Yeah.

02:15:45.000 I got a regular sauna just because the protocol that Dr. Rhonda Patrick was talking about for those, I guess it was, was it Norway that did those studies?

02:15:53.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:15:53.000 That was all regular sauna.

02:15:55.000 Yeah.

02:15:55.000 So I'm like, well, if they're getting these results from regular sauna, I'll just do regular sauna.

02:15:59.000 Well, I like regular anyway because it just seems like it's natural.

02:16:01.000 It's kind of like ice.

02:16:02.000 Like people go in cryo.

02:16:03.000 Hey, you want to go cryo?

02:16:04.000 I go, I have an ice tub.

02:16:05.000 I don't need cryo.

02:16:06.000 And by the way, if you want to do a real ice, go in an ice tub because cryo is cakewalk compared to a real ice tub.

02:16:14.000 Yeah.

02:16:15.000 Well, you can only do cryo for a couple of minutes, too.

02:16:17.000 And you don't have heat next to it.

02:16:19.000 I mean, you can only do ice for a couple of minutes, too.

02:16:21.000 The thing about cryo, though, is you can do cryo and then work out.

02:16:25.000 Yeah.

02:16:25.000 Well, you can do ice and work out, too.

02:16:27.000 Can you?

02:16:28.000 And you know, yeah, I do that all the time.

02:16:30.000 In fact, we incorporate ice into training.

02:16:32.000 And so one of the things that we do is we'll three quarters into the training, we'll just pull out right when you start to kind of lose some of your juice and you'll go do like three minutes and come out and then try and you have another gear.

02:16:43.000 Right.

02:16:43.000 So that's another little thing to incorporate ice within that system, or we'll do ice as we train, as one of the stations.

02:16:51.000 Imagine doing a circuit, and one of the stations is, you know, we were doing a horse a couple months ago, last season maybe, but we were doing like an iron horse where you're standing in a horse position with your arms, and we'd stand in that position for 10 or 15 minutes.

02:17:07.000 What is a horse position with your arm?

02:17:08.000 You mean like a horse stance?

02:17:09.000 Yeah, horse stance, yes.

02:17:10.000 Yeah.

02:17:11.000 Okay.

02:17:11.000 So we're in a horse stance.

02:17:12.000 And what are you doing with your arms?

02:17:13.000 Where the arms are straight out.

02:17:14.000 Okay.

02:17:14.000 You're holding.

02:17:15.000 Okay.

02:17:16.000 So call it the iron horse or whatever.

02:17:17.000 Just standing in the horse.

02:17:18.000 So you stand in the horse position.

02:17:20.000 Ten minutes.

02:17:21.000 Go on the ice.

02:17:21.000 Three minutes.

02:17:22.000 Oh.

02:17:23.000 Come back out.

02:17:23.000 Stand in the thing.

02:17:25.000 Go back in the ice.

02:17:25.000 Stand in the thing.

02:17:26.000 Blow you up. 0.86

02:17:28.000 Explode you. 0.99

02:17:29.000 Like crazy.

02:17:30.000 So, I mean, there's always, like I said, there's always a little, you know, a little hook to give it, but the ice to incorporate it within your training, I think is phenomenal.

02:17:40.000 Like people, that's why I question warming up because people go, oh, warm up.

02:17:44.000 How about do three to five minutes of ice and then go start all your cardio and start to train, right?

02:17:47.000 Where your body would just be freaked out.

02:17:49.000 Freaked out.

02:17:50.000 But the ice makes you stimulate it.

02:17:53.000 Like when you feel the system, it's cold, but you're not cold.

02:17:57.000 Right, because your body's trying to heat up just like Michael Phelps in the pool.

02:18:00.000 Heat up.

02:18:01.000 It's revving.

02:18:02.000 Yeah, interesting.

02:18:03.000 So that's like the science of the fun.

02:18:07.000 For me, I look at it like a laboratory.

02:18:10.000 It's a little bit like being an artist and playing with all that stuff.

02:18:14.000 That keeps me interested.

02:18:16.000 It keeps me excited about learning.

02:18:19.000 Learning, because I think it's about learning.

02:18:21.000 It's all about learning.

02:18:22.000 Yeah, learning about your body and learning about what's effective.

02:18:25.000 Yeah.

02:18:25.000 Well, that's why I'm glad there's guys like you out there.

02:18:28.000 I really am. 0.70

02:18:29.000 The guinea pigs.

02:18:29.000 Yeah, well, the guinea pigs and also the guinea pigs that, again, are in my age group.

02:18:34.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:18:34.000 So, like, I know that it's possible to keep doing this when I'm 55. Absolutely.

02:18:38.000 Long after that.

02:18:39.000 Well, listen, man, thank you.

02:18:41.000 Thanks for coming here.

02:18:42.000 Thanks for doing that.

02:18:42.000 I want to do your workout, too.

02:18:43.000 Yeah, well, you're having an open invitation.

02:18:45.000 All right.

02:18:46.000 Let's make it happen.

02:18:47.000 I got a...

02:18:48.000 I'm still...

02:18:48.000 After the fires, I'm still cleaning.

02:18:50.000 So, I got...

02:18:51.000 This weekend, I should...

02:18:52.000 We're doing a cert, so we're training some people.

02:18:54.000 This weekend.

02:18:55.000 But after this weekend, I'm open for the summer.

02:18:57.000 So if you want to come and, you know.

02:18:59.000 Beautiful.

02:19:00.000 I will do that.

02:19:01.000 Let's make it happen.

02:19:02.000 Thank you, brother.

02:19:03.000 I really appreciate it.

02:19:03.000 Aloha to you too as well.

02:19:04.000 Thank you.

02:19:05.000 Thank you.

02:19:05.000 Bye, everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience - May 21, 2019

Joe Rogan Experience #1301- Laird Hamilton

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