The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1313 - Duncan Trussell

00:00:16.000 Episode 1313, ladies and gentlemen.

00:00:19.000 It's a number.

00:00:21.000 It's a very important number.

00:00:23.000 Very important.

00:00:24.000 Tell me why.

00:00:25.000 Why 1313 is important?

00:00:27.000 Yes.

00:00:27.000 Well, we got two 13s back to back, so it doubles the normal potency of 13, which is already a mystical number, which terrifies people in the West.

00:00:40.000 They think it's unlucky, but in Tibetan Buddhism, it's considered a very lucky and auspicious number.

00:00:46.000 Yeah, I was staying in a hotel in Vegas.

00:00:47.000 They have no 13th floor, and I don't think they had a fourth floor either.

00:00:54.000 The fourth?

00:00:54.000 Yeah, there's something about some cultures.

00:00:57.000 The number four is unlucky.

00:01:00.000 How many cultures do we get to influence our buildings these days?

00:01:03.000 That's what's crazy.

00:01:04.000 And what's crazier is at some point, someone convinced a person, listen, can we just not do a 13th floor?

00:01:12.000 And they listened to him.

00:01:13.000 I'm like, all right, I guess we'll just go from 12 to 14. Shooter Jennings has it in a song.

00:01:19.000 When I check in to 1410, I know what room I'm really in.

00:01:23.000 Oh, that's cool.

00:01:24.000 Yeah.

00:01:25.000 Yeah, well, you know what?

00:01:26.000 That's what's so funny about it is because, like, that's the whole problem, isn't it? 0.84

00:01:31.000 It's like people want to pretend they're not in the 13th floor when they fucking know they are. 0.92

00:01:37.000 Right. 0.92

00:01:37.000 Instead of just acknowledging, this is where I'm at. 0.92

00:01:39.000 No, no, no.

00:01:40.000 We're in the 14. We're 14. It's 14. Call the 14th floor.

00:01:43.000 Just call it and they'll be that.

00:01:45.000 Dude, when I was in college, we had to do service to get the degree.

00:01:50.000 You had to go do service overseas.

00:01:53.000 So we went to India, to Dharamsala, and we taught the monks English.

00:01:58.000 And I was sitting, listening, overhearing a monk in a conversation with someone teaching him English, and the person's trying to explain to him how there isn't a 13th floor in buildings in the West.

00:02:11.000 And the monk was like, does it...

00:02:13.000 Levitate?

00:02:14.000 Like, is it missing?

00:02:16.000 How do they do it?

00:02:17.000 He was genuinely perplexed.

00:02:19.000 It was like a magical thing.

00:02:21.000 Well, in a culture that forces its citizens, if they want to run the country, you have to believe in something that, whether you're a Christian or whether you're a Baptist or Mormon,

00:02:38.000 whatever you are, There's certain parts of your religion that if you just want to analyze them, just want to put them out on paper, I'm going to say, okay, did this really happen?

00:02:50.000 Did this guy really die and come back to life?

00:02:53.000 Is everybody agreeing on this?

00:02:55.000 Everyone's agreeing that a zombie, a guy became a zombie, and he came back three days later, and we're cool with that.

00:03:02.000 This is a part of the doctrine.

00:03:04.000 So this is like a part of running the country.

00:03:07.000 I don't think you can be an atheist.

00:03:10.000 In this country.

00:03:10.000 I don't think we would let you run it.

00:03:12.000 I think you do have to have some affiliation with some religion or another.

00:03:18.000 Right now it seems to be like it needs to be Christianity. 0.99

00:03:21.000 There needs to be every president that has aligned themselves with...

00:03:26.000 It's like we're trapped in this...

00:03:30.000 This thing that you are when you're young.

00:03:32.000 You know this thing you are when you're young where you're looking at the people that are older than you? 0.94

00:03:37.000 You're looking at society and you're like 16 and you're just starting to think, God damn, I'm going to be graduating from high school soon. 0.74

00:03:42.000 What am I going to do with my life? 0.89

00:03:44.000 You know, you're filled with so much angst.

00:03:46.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:03:46.000 But you always think, yeah, this shit doesn't make any sense, but... 0.99

00:03:51.000 One day it will. 0.99

00:03:52.000 And one day we'll be the grown-ups.

00:03:55.000 And we'll be the ones that get to make the rules and we'll go, hey, we're doing things all wrong, folks.

00:04:01.000 We're doing things out of momentum rather than out of logic.

00:04:05.000 But that time never comes.

00:04:06.000 And then all of a sudden you're like, you or I. We're middle-aged.

00:04:09.000 We're middle-aged men.

00:04:11.000 I'm a 51-year-old man.

00:04:12.000 I'm almost 52. We're middle-aged.

00:04:14.000 If we're lucky.

00:04:16.000 If we're super lucky.

00:04:17.000 Reality, we're closer to death.

00:04:19.000 Yeah, for sure.

00:04:20.000 For sure.

00:04:21.000 And we're still trapped by this thing where you have to pretend you absolutely know.

00:04:27.000 Look, live your life like Jesus is real.

00:04:29.000 Live your life like you want to follow those tenets and you'll probably live a better life.

00:04:36.000 If you really follow the actual true tenets of Christianity... 0.96

00:04:40.000 But if you really want to believe that a guy came back to life, and that it only happened once, and that you have to follow this book, and if you don't follow this book that was clearly written and rewritten and fucked with by people, and you know that people are known liars. 0.95

00:04:55.000 Yeah.

00:04:56.000 Why do we have court?

00:04:57.000 Because people lie.

00:04:57.000 What really happened?

00:04:58.000 You have to fucking get a bunch of people to sit down and figure out what really happened. 0.98

00:05:01.000 This guy's saying, I didn't do anything, Your Honor. 0.99

00:05:04.000 Yeah.

00:05:04.000 And they got prints and DNA. Yeah.

00:05:07.000 And in that world of known liars, we believe a crazy story that was written when people had no science, but we accept it because we think it makes the world a better place.

00:05:19.000 Yeah, man. 0.94

00:05:20.000 It's nuts.

00:05:20.000 And there's like so many levels of that where it's like, yeah, that's one obvious level that if you want to take Jesus literally, which is you have to in certain forms of Christianity, you're going to have to deal with some pretty severe cognitive dissonance.

00:05:35.000 You'll be taught maybe to question your instincts, but then go one step deeper.

00:05:41.000 And start thinking – because the real question is, well, what is real? 1.00

00:05:44.000 Like, I mean, there's obvious shit that's clearly bullshit. 0.99

00:05:47.000 But wait, then when you start going down, you realize, like, you get to the point of the self. 0.99

00:05:53.000 And then you start realizing that the self and this Jesus that everyone believes in are very similar in the sense that – Like, you know, I don't say, I believe in gravity.

00:06:03.000 You would think I was crazy if I said it.

00:06:05.000 It would be a crazy thing to say, like, you know, I believe there's gravity.

00:06:07.000 There is gravity.

00:06:09.000 It's testable.

00:06:10.000 It works.

00:06:11.000 But what do you always hear when people are like, if you want to succeed, what do you do?

00:06:15.000 You believe in yourself.

00:06:17.000 And it's like, wait, what do you mean believe in yourself?

00:06:19.000 I am a self.

00:06:20.000 Why do I have to believe in it, right?

00:06:24.000 It's a clunky way of saying self-doubt is crippling.

00:06:27.000 Well, self-doubt, self-rejection, I hate myself, I love myself.

00:06:33.000 All these things have within it this concept of the self.

00:06:37.000 And a lot of folks have not spent much time really exploring, like, well, what is the self?

00:06:45.000 Like, what is my particular self?

00:06:48.000 And I think it kind of reminds me of when we were Sasquatch hunting.

00:06:54.000 You know, the self, the many people's self is very similar to Bigfoot.

00:06:58.000 It's a thing that they imagine that there's signs of, but they've never really quite seen the Bigfoot, you know?

00:07:05.000 But, you know, remember the feather in the trail.

00:07:08.000 It's a gift.

00:07:08.000 It means he likes you.

00:07:10.000 Yeah.

00:07:10.000 They would think that Sasquatches were taking and leaving gifts, taking their gifts and leaving their own gifts, swapping gifts.

00:07:16.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:07:18.000 They believed it.

00:07:19.000 They believed it the same way people believe in a religion, you know?

00:07:22.000 I had a friend, and she was a Mormon.

00:07:25.000 I've told this story before, so forgive me if you've heard it.

00:07:28.000 She was a Mormon, but I think it's important.

00:07:30.000 And she was a devout her whole life, and then...

00:07:34.000 The family just fell out of it.

00:07:36.000 And then they started realizing, like they started going into the history of it, and they started thinking it was preposterous.

00:07:41.000 It was right around when Book of Mormon was coming out, too.

00:07:43.000 You know, that hilarious musical.

00:07:45.000 I didn't see it.

00:07:46.000 It's great.

00:07:47.000 It's really good.

00:07:48.000 But she was really honest.

00:07:49.000 She was like, the problem is like growing up in that fundamentalist background, it makes me very susceptible to like healers and like psychics and clairvoyance and bullshit are spiritual people. 0.99

00:08:00.000 She's like, I get sucked in to bullshit. 0.97

00:08:03.000 And she was like almost kind of upset. 1.00

00:08:05.000 Yeah.

00:08:05.000 No, not almost.

00:08:06.000 She was kind of upset, but perplexed.

00:08:09.000 How do you rewire yourself when you've been trained to believe that a 14-year-old boy in 1820 found golden tablets that contained the lost work of Jesus, and that all the Native Americans were the lost tribe of Israel?

00:08:22.000 I mean, that's the story, right?

00:08:25.000 A 14-year-old boy.

00:08:26.000 He had a magic rock.

00:08:27.000 He was the only one who could read it.

00:08:28.000 It's crazy.

00:08:29.000 She started looking into it.

00:08:30.000 And she's out.

00:08:33.000 Gone.

00:08:34.000 And that's sad, too, man.

00:08:35.000 Because you could take some basic tenets, which are true and not based on...

00:08:42.000 It kind of reminds me of...

00:08:43.000 You hear someone, he's taking ayahuasca.

00:08:46.000 And he comes to you...

00:08:48.000 And he's got a profound message that came to him from some mythological creature. 0.99

00:08:51.000 A dragon, a butterfly, has told him some kind of profound fucking thing. 0.99

00:08:57.000 And you realize, oh, the bubble machine of profundity! 0.99

00:09:01.000 You got a bubble machine for 1313 episode.

00:09:03.000 Yeah, whenever we're talking about...

00:09:05.000 It's cool.

00:09:05.000 I like it.

00:09:06.000 It's so wonderful.

00:09:06.000 Just keep it rolling.

00:09:11.000 Don't get caught up in popping them, though.

00:09:13.000 Yeah.

00:09:14.000 I know, that's a problem of getting too high. 1.00

00:09:17.000 You're like, fuck talking. 1.00

00:09:18.000 What do we do? 1.00

00:09:18.000 Let's just pop bubbles. 1.00

00:09:19.000 Let's let the bubbles fly. 1.00

00:09:21.000 But you know what I'm saying?

00:09:22.000 It's like, for them to really take in the basic wisdom they got from the mythological creature, they needed a mythological creature.

00:09:30.000 The mythological creature said something to them along the lines of, you need to love yourself more.

00:09:36.000 You need to give more to your community.

00:09:38.000 Whatever the message is.

00:09:39.000 But if your Uber driver said that to you, It wouldn't get through, because it wasn't like phosphorescent, it didn't have multiple heads.

00:09:47.000 So, similarly, with these religions, what happens is you do get some real transcendent wisdom that's sort of timeless, mixed in with it, and then the people, because they realize like, oh my god, it was kind of a fairy tale, they also reject the good stuff inside of it.

00:10:03.000 And that, to me, is the big tragedy of any kind of The fundamentalist, literalist interpretation that's being forced on people is because within that is inevitably something great or it wouldn't be so viral.

00:10:16.000 Like, Christianity wouldn't be here right now if there wasn't a core thread in it that had a beautiful message in it.

00:10:22.000 It makes people nicer people.

00:10:24.000 I actually had a really big conversation this weekend with a very good friend about it, about another very good friend who's very religious.

00:10:31.000 And we were saying, like, I think for some people it's an amazing framework and a guide to live your life.

00:10:37.000 I really do believe that.

00:10:38.000 I have several friends that are very devout Christians.

00:10:42.000 Yeah, it's beautiful.

00:10:43.000 And they're the nicest people I know.

00:10:45.000 And Mormons, by the way.

00:10:47.000 I have friends that are Mormons, still to this day.

00:10:49.000 I have several friends that are Mormons.

00:10:51.000 And they're some of the nicest people.

00:10:52.000 Yeah.

00:10:53.000 And I don't care if they believe something that I don't believe in.

00:10:55.000 That's okay.

00:10:56.000 It's okay.

00:10:57.000 It is okay.

00:10:58.000 But...

00:11:00.000 I mean, the idea that everyone is supposed to buy into stuff without questioning it is the reason why we are 51 year olds, 16 year olds.

00:11:12.000 I agree. 0.95

00:11:13.000 And then there's the deeper symbolic shit that seems to be encoded in Christianity, whether from people projecting their own understanding on a pretty wild symbol set, or maybe it was intentional. 0.97

00:11:26.000 Either way, there's like a cool, like, you know, the, uh, if we talked about this, like, If you take a cube and unfold it, it makes a crucifix. 0.97

00:11:36.000 And, like, the cube represents pre-Big Bang conditions.

00:11:41.000 Whoa.

00:11:41.000 And the crucifix represents past, present, and future intersecting with eternity.

00:11:47.000 Oh, so if you have a square.

00:11:49.000 Oh, I get it.

00:11:50.000 So the length, the height is twice as the width.

00:11:53.000 Yeah.

00:11:53.000 Oh, okay.

00:11:54.000 It unfolds into a crucifix.

00:11:55.000 For people that are annoyed with that sound, it sounds like a pencil sharpening over and over and over again.

00:12:00.000 We're sorry.

00:12:00.000 Sorry about that, y'all, but bubbles don't come free.

00:12:03.000 You need a machine.

00:12:05.000 You gotta have a...

00:12:05.000 We could hire somebody.

00:12:07.000 Hire some dude. 1.00

00:12:09.000 Just blow bubbles. 0.86

00:12:10.000 What do you do?

00:12:11.000 I blow bubbles on the JRE, bro. 1.00

00:12:15.000 Some, like, fucking manly wrestler dude. 1.00

00:12:18.000 I would do that, man. 1.00

00:12:20.000 I would definitely do that.

00:12:22.000 Yeah, different people come in and blow bubbles and occasionally they chime in.

00:12:26.000 Hey, I'm going to be on the JRE next week.

00:12:27.000 What are you doing?

00:12:28.000 I'm blowing bubbles.

00:12:29.000 Oh, cool.

00:12:30.000 You're the bubble blower for the week.

00:12:31.000 You could start something that became, like, that's just what people do.

00:12:35.000 It's like, did you get your bubble man yet?

00:12:36.000 Right.

00:12:37.000 Yeah.

00:12:37.000 I'm a classic bubble man.

00:12:39.000 I know how to do it.

00:12:40.000 The new guys, they're too loud when they blow.

00:12:42.000 Well, did Johnny Carson, was Ed McMahon the first sidekick?

00:12:48.000 Well...

00:12:48.000 Did Jack Parr have a sidekick?

00:12:50.000 I don't know.

00:12:52.000 How many options were before that?

00:12:53.000 Ed Sullivan and...

00:12:54.000 Well, there was the other guy, Steve Allen.

00:12:57.000 I think Steve Allen might have been the first...

00:13:00.000 Was he the first Tonight Show or the second Tonight Show?

00:13:04.000 Yeah.

00:13:05.000 But I think that Ed McMahon was probably the first sidekick.

00:13:09.000 And once they had a sidekick, people were like, oh, yeah.

00:13:12.000 You need a sidekick.

00:13:15.000 You need somebody to play that part.

00:13:17.000 Because you can bounce stuff off of them.

00:13:19.000 It's so great.

00:13:20.000 The reaction.

00:13:21.000 So much better than a laugh track.

00:13:23.000 Yeah.

00:13:24.000 Yeah.

00:13:25.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:13:26.000 So Christianity, it's on one level, are you fucking kidding me? 0.95

00:13:30.000 It's like, this nerdy part of me, man, when you're doing the Jesus is a zombie thing, I really wanted to be like, well, technically, not a zombie. 0.97

00:13:38.000 Not a zombie?

00:13:39.000 I don't think so, because he was buried, right?

00:13:41.000 Like, he did come back to life.

00:13:44.000 But there's a move in jujitsu called the zombie.

00:13:48.000 Yeah.

00:13:48.000 And what the zombie is, is when you're in mission control and you're trying to get an underhook, you push your hand through like a zombie rising through the ground.

00:13:57.000 So zombies get buried.

00:13:59.000 Yeah, but I guess, you know, I don't want to get into, like, a steam coming, but why not?

00:14:03.000 Let's break it up.

00:14:04.000 So what is a zombie?

00:14:05.000 Like, when is it just a person who's, like, severely disabled, and when is it a zombie? 0.91

00:14:10.000 Well, you know what I mean?

00:14:11.000 Well, they're dead. 0.98

00:14:13.000 They're dead, they die. 0.94

00:14:14.000 Their heart stops beating.

00:14:15.000 Like, the doctor says they're dead. 1.00

00:14:16.000 You would be, like, a complete asshole if you're, like, they have the same intelligence as humans. 1.00

00:14:21.000 They're clearly, there's some brain damage that's happened to a zombie, right? 1.00

00:14:25.000 In most movies.

00:14:26.000 It's a person with brain damage.

00:14:28.000 Is there any zombie movies where they're smart?

00:14:31.000 That's just every movie.

00:14:33.000 Yeah, but I guarantee you, there's zombie movies where they run fast. 0.67

00:14:37.000 That was an evolution of the zombie.

00:14:39.000 It started running.

00:14:40.000 The zombie became kind of hyper-violent.

00:14:43.000 But still, I guess what they all have in common is that technically they're dead in the sense they don't have a heartbeat.

00:14:49.000 They're not dead.

00:14:50.000 A biologist would be like, the zombie is alive.

00:14:52.000 It's just like a fungus now or something.

00:14:54.000 It's running through a parasite inside of it, essentially.

00:14:56.000 Yeah, it's some kind of fungus.

00:14:58.000 Rabies.

00:14:58.000 Yeah, some new rabies or gut biome problem.

00:15:02.000 What was the 28 Days Later?

00:15:05.000 Is that it?

00:15:05.000 Yeah.

00:15:06.000 That was the first one when they ran.

00:15:08.000 Yeah, and that was the scariest.

00:15:09.000 God, that was good. 0.97

00:15:10.000 Fucking awesome. 0.98

00:15:11.000 Running zombies. 0.99

00:15:12.000 That movie was so good.

00:15:13.000 So good.

00:15:14.000 And it was also shaky. 0.81

00:15:15.000 Like when the zombies were chasing after you, you'd fucking panic because the screen was shaking when it was running at you. 0.94

00:15:21.000 They were the first like berserker zombies. 0.98

00:15:24.000 Yeah.

00:15:25.000 You know, man, all this gut biome stuff that we're hearing now, like the study, I just read about the study today, like they found out that what the gut biome, what you're feeding your baby affects, there seems to be a correlation between their gut biome and the way they act when they're like five or something,

00:15:45.000 or two years old or something.

00:15:47.000 I'm sure, dude.

00:15:48.000 And the autism link, you know, where they're saying they think autism might be related to like...

00:15:51.000 Well, who's saying that?

00:15:53.000 Jamie, would you mind pulling that up?

00:15:55.000 There's a guy named Dr. Peter Hotez, and he was on the podcast, and he is an expert in autism and vaccines and diseases in foreign countries, particularly tropical diseases and warm, moist climate diseases.

00:16:10.000 And he was talking about how they've got it narrowed down to five environmental factors that happen during the womb that they think possibly contribute to autism.

00:16:21.000 But they don't think that it comes from something that happens later.

00:16:27.000 This is current science, according to him.

00:16:29.000 Obviously, I don't know what I'm talking about, like, for sure.

00:16:32.000 I'm not a biologist at all.

00:16:34.000 People looking at us are probably like, how do these scientists not know this?

00:16:38.000 I should barely be able to say those words in order and pretend like I know what they mean.

00:16:44.000 But I listen to experts.

00:16:47.000 The mother's microbiome, the collection of microscopic organisms that lives inside of us, is a key contributor to the risk of autism.

00:16:53.000 So that might be one of the factors.

00:16:55.000 So it's during the womb.

00:16:56.000 And neurodevelopmental disorders in offspring.

00:16:59.000 Well, it would make sense that if your body's not getting the proper nutrition and your body's not healthy, that whatever's going on inside of you is not going to be the best environment for a baby to reach 100% health.

00:17:14.000 It just makes sense.

00:17:15.000 If you're eating terrible while you're pregnant, it's not going to be good for the kid.

00:17:20.000 But if you're eating really well and you're relaxing and taking care of yourself, it's probably better for the kid.

00:17:26.000 I mean, this seems like obvious.

00:17:27.000 It doesn't seem to make any sense that that wouldn't be the case.

00:17:30.000 I think...

00:17:32.000 The weird part of it, to me, this runs into like ideas of free will or like autonomy in the sense that how much is the gut and the neurons in the gut and the neurons in the heart and all the interactions they're having with things that have different DNA than us affecting what we do.

00:17:57.000 They think a lot.

00:17:58.000 That's so weird.

00:18:00.000 I think it contributes to depression.

00:18:01.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:18:02.000 And it contributes to what else?

00:18:05.000 Autism?

00:18:06.000 What other behaviors? 1.00

00:18:07.000 Or in other words, are we just essentially being driven around by some kind of strange, microscopic hive of creatures living in our shit? 0.99

00:18:17.000 In some way, yeah. 0.99

00:18:19.000 Brian Callen had a pretty bad case of psoriasis.

00:18:24.000 Kept coming back.

00:18:25.000 It was nasty.

00:18:26.000 Really bothered him.

00:18:27.000 Tried a bunch of stuff.

00:18:28.000 Couldn't get it fixed.

00:18:29.000 Went to one doctor who's a specialist in gut biome and its connection to autoimmune disorders.

00:18:36.000 And the guy fixed him up. 0.98

00:18:38.000 Just changed up his probiotics, like what he's taking, prebiotics and probiotics, gave him some heavy-duty shit. 0.95

00:18:46.000 I forget exactly what he said, but it fixed it. 0.81

00:18:48.000 And it was basically something going on in his gut biome.

00:18:51.000 And that can be affected by stress.

00:18:53.000 It can be affected by lack of sleep.

00:18:56.000 There's all sorts of stuff that goes on in your body.

00:18:58.000 We have to think of ourselves as...

00:19:01.000 Like, a superorganism.

00:19:03.000 Like, essentially like an ecosystem.

00:19:06.000 We have to think of ourselves as, like, you think of yourself as you.

00:19:09.000 Hey, it's me, it's Joe, it's Duncan, we're talking, we're friends, hey, what's up, buddy?

00:19:13.000 But really, what we are is the keepers of the realm, okay?

00:19:17.000 We got a whole realm of things living inside of our body, and we're feeding it Twinkies, and it's freaking out. 1.00

00:19:23.000 It's like, you Fucking moron. 1.00

00:19:24.000 Yeah, but I like what it feels like when Twinkies go in my face. 1.00

00:19:28.000 Yeah!

00:19:28.000 So your fucking knees hurt all the time.

00:19:30.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:19:31.000 Your back is killing you.

00:19:32.000 You have all these inflammation problems.

00:19:33.000 You're getting zits and you're 40 years old. 1.00

00:19:35.000 Like, what the fuck? 1.00

00:19:36.000 It's because you're eating dog shit, man. 1.00

00:19:38.000 You're not giving your body anything good. 1.00

00:19:40.000 You're the keeper of the realm.

00:19:41.000 And also, this is something I've been thinking about, is like how much data we're eating, which is equivalent to Twinkies. 0.96

00:19:49.000 It's like you eat a bunch of Twinkies, your body starts hurting, then you're just slurping up whatever the fuck on the phone, right? 0.70

00:19:56.000 Which I, by the way, I'm talking about me. 0.99

00:19:57.000 This is what I do. 0.98

00:19:59.000 You know, my bouncing around from like Drudge Report to Huffington Report to Reddit Conspiracy to Reddit What the Fuck. 0.98

00:20:06.000 Zip-popping. 0.86

00:20:07.000 How long before you're looking at like a zip-popping video?

00:20:10.000 And then that takes you down into a place of like, oh, let's just move to animal cysts.

00:20:14.000 And then you fall asleep, you wake up screaming.

00:20:17.000 And that's the equivalent of getting like gas, isn't it?

00:20:20.000 From eating like a huge Taco Bell meal.

00:20:23.000 And instead of farting, you're just screaming in the middle of the night because you dreamed a cult was dragging you into the forest. 0.98

00:20:29.000 It's like, this is, to me, we seem to have not quite acknowledged that data is like a food, and that so much of the weirdness that people are showing these strange behaviors, it's got to be because of the crazy shit they're sucking into their optic nerves, 0.99

00:20:48.000 right? 0.98

00:20:48.000 It is. 0.98

00:20:48.000 It's also the ability to affect people very rapidly. 0.98

00:20:53.000 Whether to get a reaction from someone positive or negative.

00:20:56.000 People are so addicted to that.

00:20:58.000 I watch people getting these Twitter beefs back and forth. 1.00

00:21:01.000 Fucking smart people, man. 0.99

00:21:03.000 A smart friend of mine who I respect greatly tried to get me to retweet something mean that he was saying to someone else. 1.00

00:21:09.000 I'm like, get the fuck out of here. 0.99

00:21:10.000 What are you doing? 0.99

00:21:12.000 What are you doing with your time?

00:21:14.000 We get...

00:21:16.000 One thing that I've done over the last week, we did a podcast with Bert and Tom and Ari, and we all looked at the amount of screen time we put on our phone, because Ari was proposing no smartphones.

00:21:25.000 Yeah. 0.96

00:21:27.000 My fucking screen time was like four hours for a day. 0.99

00:21:30.000 I was like, what? 0.99

00:21:31.000 And I'll lie to myself, and I'll say, well, most of that's email and taking care of business.

00:21:36.000 Yeah, me too.

00:21:37.000 No, most of it is going through Google News Feed looking for crazy stories of animal attacks.

00:21:42.000 Absolutely.

00:21:43.000 What a movie's looking at, man.

00:21:45.000 I watched a video today of a guy riding his dirt bike and a bear's chasing him. 1.00

00:21:49.000 I'm like, what in the fuck? 0.99

00:21:50.000 What is happening? 1.00

00:21:52.000 Look, man, I don't want to try to, like, enable your addiction, but honestly, I think the internet has come to depend on your wild animal attack videos.

00:22:01.000 Like, you have kind of become, like, a news outlet for the best wild animal attacks.

00:22:06.000 People need to know. 0.94

00:22:07.000 people need to see this shit man like we don't know i've never seen a vulture fight a rabbit or out of people do have a very weird idea of what animals are and i think that the average person i'm certainly no expert but amongst the average person i have a much better understanding of wildlife because i'm out in the wild several times a year hunting it's a different world it's a different world i'm no expert but my perception of it Is as someone who sees wildlife 0.99

00:22:37.000 in the wild. 0.99

00:22:39.000 They see dead ones that other ones have killed.

00:22:42.000 We came across a calf that had been ripped apart by wolves.

00:22:45.000 I mean, we see stuff.

00:22:47.000 And you realize what that is. 0.99

00:22:50.000 What that fucking forest really is. 0.99

00:22:53.000 It's this competing ecosystem of life. 1.00

00:22:57.000 And it's going on all the time.

00:22:58.000 And there's big things jacking smaller things.

00:23:00.000 And there's birds snatching things off the ground and snatching other birds out of trees.

00:23:05.000 And it's happening all the time.

00:23:07.000 And it's magic.

00:23:08.000 And you have to have it that way because otherwise the whole population of the planet would be overrun.

00:23:13.000 You have to have your sorrow of watching the bear tear apart the fawn.

00:23:18.000 That has to happen.

00:23:19.000 Because if it didn't happen, you'd have too many fawns. 1.00

00:23:21.000 They'd be everywhere.

00:23:22.000 You'd have too many deer.

00:23:23.000 And you have to have someone who can take care of the bears.

00:23:26.000 Otherwise, the bears will overrun the city where the humans live.

00:23:29.000 And we need to think about that.

00:23:30.000 And people don't want to.

00:23:31.000 Because they don't want to shoot yogi.

00:23:33.000 They don't want to shoot yogi and boo-boo. 0.99

00:23:35.000 They're our friends.

00:23:36.000 This is a teddy bear.

00:23:37.000 I grew up with a bear.

00:23:37.000 You don't know what a bear is.

00:23:39.000 I've seen a bear in the wild.

00:23:40.000 When you see a bear in the wild, you're like, Oh! 0.99

00:23:43.000 You don't give a fuck about me. 0.99

00:23:45.000 You're some weird heartless beast that is majestic looking who runs around eating moose and deer babies. 1.00

00:23:54.000 That's what your deal is. 0.85

00:23:55.000 You eat grass and berries and you like to lay around. 1.00

00:23:59.000 You're fucking cool as shit. 1.00

00:24:00.000 It's a cool ass animal. 1.00

00:24:01.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:24:02.000 It doesn't mean you hate it, but you gotta understand what the fuck it is. 0.97

00:24:05.000 It's not like this idea that people don't want people to hunt bears in certain places, particularly like they're trying to regulate the size of the amount of grizzly bears in certain parts of the country. 0.97

00:24:19.000 They're like, hey, we need to keep a handle on this.

00:24:21.000 A couple people get mauled.

00:24:24.000 People start walking through Yellowstone and get attacked.

00:24:26.000 It happens a little bit more rapidly.

00:24:28.000 The numbers get to a certain...

00:24:30.000 These things have no fear of people.

00:24:32.000 We can actually help the population if they hand out bear tags.

00:24:37.000 People start freaking out.

00:24:37.000 You can't kill the bears.

00:24:39.000 You can't kill the bears.

00:24:41.000 Don't you kill the bears. 1.00

00:24:42.000 There's a reason why there's no fucking bears in California, Duncan. 1.00

00:24:45.000 Only black bears. 1.00

00:24:46.000 Our fucking state flag has a grizzly bear on it. 1.00

00:24:49.000 Did you ever notice that? 1.00

00:24:49.000 No. 1.00

00:24:50.000 Yeah, the state flag is a grizzly bear.

00:24:52.000 They eradicated all the grizzly bears because they were eating people. 0.98

00:24:55.000 So in the fucking 1800s, dude, there's a town. 0.98

00:24:59.000 I think it's called Levesque. 0.99

00:25:01.000 I think it's called Levesque.

00:25:03.000 It's out near, like, on the way to Bakersfield.

00:25:06.000 Lebec?

00:25:07.000 Lebec.

00:25:07.000 I think it's called Lebec.

00:25:09.000 It's a town named after the last dude that got killed by a grizzly bear in California. 0.97

00:25:13.000 Yeah, and to investigate this, they exhumed his body, and his legs were fucking ripped apart. 0.99

00:25:19.000 His knees were snapped in half and shit. 0.99

00:25:22.000 You have to destroy this tape. 1.00

00:25:23.000 He got torn apart by a bear, and they killed the bear, and they buried him, and that was the last bear.

00:25:27.000 That was the last bear attack.

00:25:28.000 They killed all the bears. 1.00

00:25:30.000 The reason why they killed all the bears is because that's what you have to do, you fuck. 1.00

00:25:33.000 Do you want to be able to walk to your car? 1.00

00:25:35.000 Yes.

00:25:35.000 Okay, you don't want bears in Santa Monica.

00:25:37.000 Okay, shut up. 1.00

00:25:39.000 Just shut up. 1.00

00:25:40.000 We're going into their territory, man. 1.00

00:25:43.000 They'll come into yours, too.

00:25:44.000 Okay?

00:25:44.000 Stop.

00:25:45.000 Don't be silly. 0.99

00:25:46.000 We definitely shouldn't kill all the bears. 1.00

00:25:47.000 But we should kill a few. 1.00

00:25:49.000 We should definitely kill some. 1.00

00:25:50.000 We should kill some wolves, too. 1.00

00:25:51.000 I disagree, Joe. 1.00

00:25:53.000 We have to keep everything alive.

00:25:54.000 I'm going to bring back pterodactyls.

00:25:56.000 I wouldn't mind that!

00:25:58.000 Snatching people right off of cars.

00:25:59.000 Well, come on.

00:26:00.000 They could be controlled.

00:26:01.000 Come on.

00:26:02.000 They could be controlled.

00:26:03.000 Put them in some kind of domed, I don't know, padded dome.

00:26:07.000 We never knew they were bulletproof.

00:26:08.000 Bring them back. 1.00

00:26:09.000 Fuck it. 1.00

00:26:10.000 People would shoot down them. 1.00

00:26:11.000 Bullets just bouncing down, hitting people on the ground.

00:26:13.000 Just...

00:26:15.000 Piff Kevlar skin.

00:26:16.000 It's the...

00:26:17.000 You know, I saw something...

00:26:19.000 You know, your podcast.

00:26:21.000 It's like everywhere now.

00:26:23.000 It's like dandelions.

00:26:24.000 You can't anywhere.

00:26:26.000 I'm always getting suggested videos from your podcast.

00:26:29.000 And I saw one because I've been cutting down my meat consumption.

00:26:34.000 Good for you.

00:26:36.000 But that doesn't mean I don't eat meat.

00:26:37.000 I just want to cut it down a little bit.

00:26:41.000 And I have...

00:26:43.000 I've been feeling a kind of enjoyable from time to time sense of, you know that, I don't know if you let yourself do this, you probably don't, but that feeling of like kind of bullshit, like, I'm a little better now, right?

00:26:57.000 Yeah, I'm a little better of a person.

00:26:58.000 And I was really like, I wasn't like overt, it wasn't like hyper obnoxious, you know, but just the kind of sense of like, I did it.

00:27:05.000 I cut down my beef consumption and I'm eating, you know, I'm eating, you know, a cheese here and there and Anyway, this video popped up, and it's some guest, I don't know who it was, talking about the number of animals that die in a bean field.

00:27:20.000 Like any bean field that you see, so many animals just ground up and murdered.

00:27:26.000 And it was great, because I realized, like, oh, of course, yeah, right. 0.99

00:27:31.000 The trick I was trying to play on myself is the 13th floor shit. 0.99

00:27:36.000 It's like, I want the world... 0.99

00:27:38.000 To look like a Disney film.

00:27:40.000 But it's a bit of a cop-out even saying that, my saying that, because the reality is there's another solution.

00:27:46.000 The solution is organic gardening, right?

00:27:48.000 So you can organically garden.

00:27:50.000 If you get a plot of land and get some friends together, you could all grow enough vegetables so you don't have to take place with large-scale agriculture.

00:27:59.000 Or if you're dealing, rather, with large-scale agriculture.

00:28:02.000 That's the problem.

00:28:03.000 The problem is we have to feed, just in LA alone, the greater Los Angeles area, what is it, like 20 million-something people? 1.00

00:28:09.000 That's so many goddamn people. 0.99

00:28:10.000 No one's growing anything other than weed. 0.99

00:28:12.000 So what do we have?

00:28:13.000 What do we have? 1.00

00:28:14.000 Someone has to grow this fucking food for us. 0.99

00:28:16.000 So they have to do it large-scale. 1.00

00:28:18.000 And when they do it large-scale, it involves combines. 0.99

00:28:21.000 And those fucking things are indiscriminate. 0.99

00:28:23.000 They're just chewing up the ground. 1.00

00:28:25.000 And things get caught up in it.

00:28:26.000 And that's why when they clean fields, when they pick whatever they're growing, you always see vultures.

00:28:32.000 After they run the combine, you see vultures circling the fields.

00:28:34.000 Because they know.

00:28:35.000 Rabbits and rats.

00:28:37.000 Jesus, man.

00:28:37.000 All kinds of bugs.

00:28:39.000 I mean, any kind of bugs.

00:28:40.000 I mean, I don't know if you care about bugs.

00:28:41.000 Which is, that's a weird thing, right?

00:28:42.000 It's like vegans will get to this, some vegans will get to this line where they're like, yeah, but that's a mosquito. 1.00

00:28:49.000 Fuck mosquitoes. 1.00

00:28:50.000 They have malaria. 1.00

00:28:51.000 You know, you get to like a life-form ethical boundary where you can't relate to a roach.

00:28:57.000 Also, the hilarious thing when it comes to assigning levels of sentience and then based on that, deciding if you should eat something or not, you run into like a lot of weird problems, which is like, number one, you're assuming...

00:29:12.000 A lot.

00:29:12.000 Just because they don't have this sort of nervous system you have.

00:29:16.000 I mean, and who knows?

00:29:17.000 We project most of everything we are into the world, and we don't really know what the phenomenon is.

00:29:21.000 But I saw some, like, video of an ant taking care of the ant's baby.

00:29:28.000 And I don't know if you've probably heard about how trees communicate with the...

00:29:32.000 Mycelium?

00:29:33.000 Yes.

00:29:34.000 And like how they'll send nutrients to their children. 0.95

00:29:37.000 And then you start running into, I think, which is a really fascinating problem, which is what if it's all alive and sentient and feeling for real?

00:29:47.000 What if there is...

00:29:49.000 Throughout the entire universe, just a sentient field of consciousness that is interacting with matter in a way that it produces what we call life, and that life is feeling terror, love, maybe in different ways than we would understand it,

00:30:05.000 but it's still there.

00:30:06.000 You know, that's really under consideration by legitimate scientists.

00:30:10.000 In fact, Sam Harris' wife just wrote a book about that.

00:30:13.000 Oh, really?

00:30:14.000 It's one of the subjects, it's called conscious.

00:30:16.000 And conscious or consciousness, sorry, I don't remember which.

00:30:19.000 I haven't read it yet, but I heard them talk about it on his podcast.

00:30:22.000 And the concept that used to be like super woo-woo, Was what if everything has consciousness?

00:30:29.000 Yeah.

00:30:29.000 What if everything has, but it just, it can't move, it can't express itself, can't change its environment.

00:30:35.000 It's limited.

00:30:36.000 Just like we can't fly, and we can't swim underwater and breathe water.

00:30:39.000 Like, we're limited in our physical abilities.

00:30:42.000 Right.

00:30:42.000 But we assume that whatever limitations that we have, like, this is where it ends.

00:30:45.000 This is where the buck stops here.

00:30:46.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:30:46.000 Like, everything that doesn't move has got to be stupid. 1.00

00:30:48.000 That's it, yeah. 0.99

00:30:48.000 But it might not be. 0.99

00:30:49.000 Which is one of the reasons why nobody wants to buy a house after someone's been killed in it.

00:30:53.000 Right.

00:30:53.000 Like, what if that house retains memory?

00:30:55.000 That was something that Rupert Sheldrake proposed a long time ago.

00:30:58.000 You know, he's got that, what is that very strange theory where everything is connected?

00:31:03.000 Morphic resonance, I think it's called?

00:31:05.000 Theory of morphic resonance?

00:31:06.000 He's a fascinating guy. 0.99

00:31:08.000 And he's like a guy who's not afraid to take some chances and say some really woo-woo shit. 0.99

00:31:13.000 I think he's a Christian as well. 0.99

00:31:16.000 Yeah, I love his book.

00:31:17.000 I think you're the one who, like, was telling me some of the studies are not so great in it, though.

00:31:22.000 Well, it wasn't that I said that.

00:31:24.000 It was that other people had complained about that.

00:31:26.000 Because there's some studies that apparently people lean on that aren't super legit, like the dog knowing you're coming home one.

00:31:34.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:31:35.000 Like, you gotta replicate that shit, because first of all, the guy might have a loud car. 1.00

00:31:38.000 Dogs can hear shit way better than you can. 1.00

00:31:41.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:31:41.000 Like, how far away is the guy when the dog starts going towards the door? 0.99

00:31:45.000 Or does the guy just come home every night and the dog has, like, an internal clock, and he knows, hey, it's five o'clock, Mike must be coming home.

00:31:52.000 Yeah.

00:31:53.000 Have they replicated this for 1130? 0.99

00:31:56.000 What if Mike starts coming home in a Tesla where you can't hear shit? 0.99

00:31:59.000 Who knows? 0.99

00:31:59.000 What if he comes home? 0.99

00:32:00.000 Does the dog actually know he's coming?

00:32:02.000 Or is the dog just hearing things?

00:32:03.000 A dog hearing a door, a car?

00:32:06.000 I mean, it doesn't always kind of seem like the most boring possible solution is usually the right one.

00:32:15.000 It's like, what's the most boring thing?

00:32:17.000 The most boring thing is nothing's happening, but you're imagining the dog somehow has a telepathic link to you.

00:32:25.000 Occam's Razor, right?

00:32:26.000 Yeah.

00:32:27.000 Occam's the simplest, but it's also the most boring. 1.00

00:32:30.000 Like, you know, these crazy fucking UFOs. 0.96

00:32:33.000 I'm sorry if you've talked about this a bunch on the podcast, but the UFOs that we're seeing, that the, you know, Navy is releasing these videos of these Tic Tacs zipping around. 0.99

00:32:41.000 And it's Navy pilots.

00:32:43.000 It's not the people we interviewed in that show. 0.98

00:32:46.000 It's Navy pilots who are like, yeah, I don't know what the fuck this is. 0.98

00:32:50.000 And... 0.96

00:32:51.000 I have great conversations with Uber drivers. 1.00

00:32:54.000 And we were talking about it, and a lot of them are programmers and shit. 0.98

00:32:59.000 And this guy was like, it's probably a glitch in the type of radar they're using. 0.97

00:33:04.000 I think it must be a glitch.

00:33:05.000 I mean, that's the most likely reality.

00:33:08.000 They're not seeing it with their own eyes.

00:33:10.000 They're not?

00:33:11.000 I don't think so.

00:33:11.000 I think they're just picking it up on radar, and so he's like, maybe it's a glitch, or maybe it's like...

00:33:16.000 We should find that out.

00:33:17.000 Can you Google if the pilots were picking it up on radar?

00:33:22.000 The pilots spotted UFO? Because I know some guys have spotted things with their own eyes.

00:33:30.000 I know for sure some guys have.

00:33:33.000 I'm not sure if the data...

00:33:35.000 It's probably relevant to the conversation, though.

00:33:37.000 It's probably a good thing that we know. 1.00

00:33:38.000 People listening going, yeah, what the fuck? 0.99

00:33:42.000 I get super skeptical. 0.99

00:33:44.000 I feel like almost like it's a plot.

00:33:48.000 I don't want to go full Eddie Bravo, but I feel like when I see people talking about UFOs, I'm like, okay, what else is going on?

00:33:54.000 What are you distracting me from?

00:33:57.000 Is this really a big issue?

00:33:58.000 I was like, is it really happening?

00:34:00.000 Can I see it?

00:34:01.000 What do you got?

00:34:01.000 You got nothing?

00:34:03.000 Oh, you got some radar.

00:34:05.000 You got radar from one, two pilots, three pilots.

00:34:08.000 Okay, I believe it, but I want to see more.

00:34:11.000 Why do I want to see more?

00:34:12.000 And you'll get caught up in it.

00:34:14.000 It'll chew up hours of your day.

00:34:16.000 Yeah, man.

00:34:16.000 I know.

00:34:19.000 I felt bad for them because they didn't understand what had happened to them.

00:34:24.000 They had gotten caught in this weird loop of looking for secrets and looking for mysteries to be solved and looking for hidden conspiracies and they get caught in that. 0.99

00:34:37.000 And some of that shit is real, which is part of the problem. 0.99

00:34:41.000 Some of it you can come across. 0.99

00:34:42.000 The Gulf of Tonkin and the Northwoods, Operation Northwoods, you can come across a bunch of them that are real and raw.

00:34:48.000 And you can see how they put that together.

00:34:50.000 You're like, what?

00:34:51.000 You can see real crazy conspiring.

00:34:55.000 And then you can get lost and think it's everywhere.

00:34:58.000 That's right.

00:34:58.000 Yeah, well, I mean, this is like...

00:35:01.000 Dude, I was just...

00:35:02.000 What is this, Jamie?

00:35:03.000 Oh.

00:35:04.000 According to Day, the AAVs...

00:35:07.000 What does that mean?

00:35:09.000 Is that the new UFO? How about you say UFO, you fucks? 1.00

00:35:12.000 Come on, yeah. 0.99

00:35:12.000 Are we really gonna change UFO? They have their own little thing. 0.99

00:35:17.000 We're AAVs.

00:35:18.000 We don't refer to us as UFOs.

00:35:20.000 These are my pronouns.

00:35:23.000 The AAVs appeared at an altitude greater than 80,000 feet, far higher than commercial or military jets typically fly initially.

00:35:31.000 The Princeton's radar team...

00:35:35.000 It's a radar, really high...

00:35:36.000 Prince Story is what it's called.

00:35:38.000 It's like a really high-processing radar system or something.

00:35:40.000 Why is it spelled Prince-Tun?

00:35:42.000 Oh, yeah.

00:35:42.000 If it's Prince Story.

00:35:43.000 No, it is Prince-Tun.

00:35:44.000 It's just that apostrophe is in a weird spot.

00:35:46.000 Oh, okay.

00:35:47.000 The radar team didn't believe what they were seeing, chalking up the anomalies to an equipment malfunction, but after they determined that everything was operating as it should, they began detecting instances which the AAVs dropped with astounding speed to lower busier airspace.

00:36:06.000 They approached the Princeton's commander about taking action.

00:36:10.000 He said, I was chomping at the bit.

00:36:11.000 I really wanted to intercept these things.

00:36:13.000 What? 1.00

00:36:14.000 We have the fucking craziest people in this country. 1.00

00:36:17.000 There's an alien, man. 1.00

00:36:19.000 I want to chase it.

00:36:20.000 I want to catch it by the tail.

00:36:22.000 I want to catch it by the tail.

00:36:24.000 Anomalous aerial vehicles. 0.99

00:36:26.000 Get the fuck out of here. 0.94

00:36:28.000 There's already a name for it. 1.00

00:36:29.000 Whoever invented that new name is an ass. 1.00

00:36:32.000 He's an asshole. 1.00

00:36:33.000 Give us a break. 1.00

00:36:34.000 I was actually the one who decided to call them AAVs.

00:36:37.000 Oh, come on. 0.87

00:36:38.000 You know, technically, it's not an unidentified flying object. 0.99

00:36:41.000 You're not taking our fucking UFOs, man. 0.99

00:36:43.000 I'm going to fight that. 1.00

00:36:45.000 What is it again?

00:36:45.000 What is the exact phrase?

00:36:47.000 Anomalous aerial vehicle.

00:36:48.000 Anomalous aerial vehicle.

00:36:50.000 It's an AAV. You're an asshole. 1.00

00:36:52.000 Anomalous. 1.00

00:36:53.000 It's an anomaly.

00:36:54.000 I want to propose a new name for UFOs.

00:36:57.000 Anonymous aerial vehicles.

00:36:58.000 It's probably a part of a billion dollar study.

00:37:01.000 Two fighters were diverted to intercept one of the strange objects.

00:37:05.000 When they first arrived on the scene, the pilots didn't see any flying objects, but they did observe what the lead pilot, Commander David Fravor, later referred to as a disturbance in the ocean.

00:37:15.000 The water was churning with white waves breaking over what looked like a large object just under the surface.

00:37:24.000 Then they noticed one of the objects flying about 50 feet above the water. 0.99

00:37:31.000 This is a goddamn Nicolas Cage movie. 0.99

00:37:36.000 It has no wings. 1.00

00:37:48.000 It has no rotors. 0.99

00:37:49.000 I go, holy shit, what is that? 0.99

00:37:52.000 Dude, you know whoever the company is that makes Tic Tacs? 0.99

00:37:55.000 They're like, yes!

00:37:57.000 They're calling them Tic Tacs!

00:37:59.000 It's free publicity!

00:38:00.000 Totally.

00:38:01.000 Tic Tacs is the one sponsoring this whole deal.

00:38:03.000 You think it is?

00:38:04.000 Yeah, man.

00:38:04.000 People are buying Tic Tacs right now listening to this.

00:38:06.000 You just say Tic Tac enough?

00:38:08.000 Remember those old...

00:38:09.000 Subliminal things you used to do in movie theaters.

00:38:11.000 When you're watching a movie, they would say, hungry, eat popcorn.

00:38:14.000 Every 50, 100th frame, they would stick, hungry, eat popcorn.

00:38:20.000 They would put subliminal text on the screen. 0.99

00:38:23.000 Damn, I want some popcorn. 0.99

00:38:25.000 If you just say Tic Tacs. 0.99

00:38:27.000 Tic Tacs.

00:38:27.000 People are buying Tic Tacs right now.

00:38:29.000 Well, we do know that pilot's got great breath, right?

00:38:32.000 I mean, that's a Tic Tac, man.

00:38:34.000 If, like, the first time you see a UFO, the first thing that pops into your head is, it looks like a mint!

00:38:39.000 That's nuts!

00:38:40.000 There had to be other ways to describe it.

00:38:42.000 He's got stock in Tic Tacs, bro.

00:38:43.000 For sure. 0.76

00:38:44.000 I Googled Tic Tac after he said that because I couldn't remember if they were square or if they were like, you know, the rectum.

00:38:51.000 They look like I would expect a good UFO to look like.

00:38:54.000 Yeah.

00:38:55.000 Kind of boring.

00:38:56.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:38:56.000 Like super Apple-like.

00:38:58.000 Like if Apple made a UFO. Yeah.

00:39:01.000 It's like a pretty- Pretty sleek.

00:39:04.000 Yeah.

00:39:04.000 But going into the ocean part, that's the part I like the best because that kind of lines up with hollow earth theory and maybe they're flying down in the center of the earth.

00:39:16.000 Of course they have a base in the earth.

00:39:17.000 Why wouldn't you have a base in the ocean?

00:39:18.000 We never go there.

00:39:19.000 Do you ever fly over?

00:39:20.000 I was just in Hawaii.

00:39:21.000 You fly over five hours of water.

00:39:23.000 It's just water.

00:39:24.000 Well, that's that Strava app thing.

00:39:27.000 I feel like we've talked about literally everything.

00:39:28.000 You know the Strava app?

00:39:29.000 Don't worry about it.

00:39:30.000 Okay, good.

00:39:31.000 It's great, man.

00:39:32.000 I love that I have to think.

00:39:33.000 I'm pretty sure we've talked about this.

00:39:35.000 The heat maps, the Strava heat maps that seem to show people walking under the ocean and stuff.

00:39:40.000 Walking?

00:39:40.000 Yeah.

00:39:41.000 We haven't?

00:39:43.000 No.

00:39:43.000 Oh, so yeah, because like Strava, you know, it's like, I think it was Strava, right?

00:39:47.000 It was like a way for you to track your steps.

00:39:50.000 And some people apparently were on some bases in the Arctic or in the ocean walking around.

00:39:55.000 And it showed up before they could like turn that function off for top secret facilities, like the places they blur out on Google Maps.

00:40:03.000 So do you think there's like a military base under the water somewhere where submarines go?

00:40:08.000 God, man, you know, I want to think that, but I'm always...

00:40:11.000 Like in that movie, The Meg? 0.99

00:40:12.000 Yeah, I think it's probably a technical error, but fuck, maybe. 0.99

00:40:16.000 I mean, I don't know. 0.98

00:40:17.000 It's like the implication of these tic-tacs and all of it, if you really want to like...

00:40:24.000 The first, to me, the most obvious one, minus the churning water evidence, is that it's some kind of equipment malfunction.

00:40:31.000 It's also that they have an unlimited budget for black ops.

00:40:35.000 We don't know what that number is.

00:40:37.000 We don't get to know. 0.98

00:40:39.000 All that weird shit they do when they're making stealth bombers and all that Area 51 stuff. 0.97

00:40:45.000 How much money goes to that? 0.99

00:40:47.000 What is the number?

00:40:49.000 Let's Google this.

00:40:50.000 How much does the US spend on black ops?

00:40:55.000 I was going to bring this up in the middle of what you guys were talking.

00:40:58.000 There's a program here that was going on.

00:41:02.000 The AATIP, Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program, was going on.

00:41:08.000 Just the AATIP. I'm going to fuck you out of your money, but I'm just going to use the AATIP. $22 million is what their budget was in 2012. That's a lot of money. 0.99

00:41:19.000 It doesn't still go on, but apparently it does.

00:41:21.000 Louis Elizondo says it's still operating, and he is part of To The Stars.

00:41:24.000 So they spent $22 million to see if the UFOs were a threat?

00:41:28.000 A year.

00:41:29.000 And then there's the To The Stars Academy.

00:41:32.000 Yeah.

00:41:32.000 That's Tom DeLonge stuff.

00:41:34.000 Yeah.

00:41:36.000 Some of it's still going on. 0.97

00:41:38.000 Listen, I'm fucking rooting for it. 0.97

00:41:41.000 I want it to be real. 0.99

00:41:42.000 I would love it if it was real.

00:41:44.000 But if you look at the history of the great ideas, a lot of them did come from weird moments, like Tesla.

00:41:54.000 Like, basically had a seizure and felt like it was being contacted by something.

00:41:58.000 Like, you do run into stories of, at the very least, inspiration, but quite often innovation coming to people via, like, weird...

00:42:09.000 Like a transmission, almost.

00:42:11.000 A transmission.

00:42:12.000 Well, I've been thinking this for a long time, that maybe ideas are living things.

00:42:17.000 And these ideas, even though they...

00:42:21.000 You think of them...

00:42:29.000 Yeah.

00:42:30.000 Yeah.

00:42:42.000 Are inspired by that.

00:42:44.000 You see it, it gives you a great feeling.

00:42:46.000 You exchange currency to listen to it.

00:42:49.000 I mean, just that one song.

00:42:50.000 How much money has been generated by Voodoo Child? 0.72

00:42:52.000 I mean, it's one of the greatest songs in the history of the known universe.

00:42:55.000 The opening guitar riff, I've listened to that a thousand times.

00:42:59.000 Easy.

00:42:59.000 I listen to it all the time.

00:43:00.000 Whenever I'm like, I need a pick-me-up.

00:43:03.000 I mean, it's just, it's a masterpiece.

00:43:08.000 It's a masterpiece of music.

00:43:11.000 And where'd that idea come from?

00:43:13.000 Well, it came from his brain.

00:43:14.000 Right.

00:43:15.000 But where was it before it was in his brain?

00:43:17.000 How did his brain cook it up?

00:43:18.000 And what is it?

00:43:19.000 What are these things that are just floating around that you grab out of culture?

00:43:23.000 And how do you turn them into something that people go crazy for? 0.86

00:43:27.000 Because occasionally a guy will take one of those ideas and make Voodoo Child or make someone else's song or make someone else's Or, you know, make a fucking building that's inspiring. 0.71

00:43:38.000 There's these things that come into your head. 0.97

00:43:41.000 That's right.

00:43:42.000 And you're...

00:43:42.000 At the end, what they really do is they're like the eggs of objects.

00:43:47.000 Right. 0.99

00:43:48.000 Because they come to your mind, you think about them, and then you say, I'm going to make a fucking clock. 0.99

00:43:55.000 And you start making a clock. 0.99

00:43:57.000 Where is that coming from?

00:43:58.000 Oh, it's just your creativity, and it's just your mind, it's just your imagination.

00:44:02.000 Well, it's just your thought process.

00:44:03.000 Your synapse is firing.

00:44:04.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:44:05.000 You're right.

00:44:06.000 You're right.

00:44:06.000 You're absolutely right.

00:44:08.000 There's no real woo-woo.

00:44:09.000 Or is there? 0.98

00:44:11.000 What the fuck is a thought? 0.99

00:44:14.000 Figure that out. 0.99

00:44:15.000 No one knows what that is.

00:44:16.000 Especially, where are they coming from?

00:44:19.000 I mean, how many times have you ever written a joke and you're laughing at yourself as you're writing? 0.98

00:44:23.000 Like, where the fuck did that come from? 0.96

00:44:25.000 Yeah, well, I mean, or saying anything. 0.99

00:44:27.000 Sometimes, like, you're watching sentences come out of your mouth and you're sort of...

00:44:30.000 Sometimes.

00:44:31.000 You don't feel like, yeah.

00:44:32.000 Every day.

00:44:32.000 Every day, yeah.

00:44:33.000 All the time!

00:44:34.000 Right now!

00:44:34.000 Where's the, you know, who's articulating it?

00:44:37.000 There's a, this, um...

00:44:39.000 I've been studying Buddhism and any Buddhists out there, if I fuck this up, I'm sorry if you're more advanced or know more about it.

00:44:46.000 So I'm probably going to say the words wrong and stuff.

00:44:47.000 It's really interesting.

00:44:49.000 So it's like there's like eight consciousnesses.

00:44:54.000 I think it's eight.

00:44:55.000 And the sixth one is your thought, the continuum of thoughts, right?

00:44:58.000 So that's like where most people hang out and they think that's who they are, is the infinite cycle of repeating thoughts in their head.

00:45:05.000 So below that is your senses.

00:45:09.000 And then the one right above that is the seventh, and that's what is considered your subconscious in the West.

00:45:16.000 So that's where all your memories are. 0.52

00:45:19.000 That's where all your, like, just all the shit you can't remember that happened to you that's stuck back there that appears in people's ARP or appears in your neurosis or whatever. 0.92

00:45:33.000 And then above that is the eighth consciousness. 0.98

00:45:36.000 And that's the stored...

00:45:39.000 Experience of all human beings that's happening.

00:45:43.000 It's like the global mind or it's… Akashic records?

00:45:46.000 Yeah, the Akashic records, yeah.

00:45:48.000 And so basically that one drips down like water in a cave.

00:45:54.000 It drips down into your subconscious, which drips down into your thoughts.

00:45:58.000 So when you're having these thoughts, according to this model, it's not necessarily your thoughts.

00:46:04.000 You're getting a kind of distillate that's rolling down through the… It's a projection of some,

00:46:25.000 like, shared mind.

00:46:26.000 It's pretty cool.

00:46:29.000 That makes actual sense.

00:46:31.000 I know that sounds like crazy voodoo hippie talk, but it actually makes sense that we all know that there's something that we share.

00:46:40.000 And we all feed off of each other.

00:46:43.000 I mean, you and I have said this many times that I am a different person with you.

00:46:47.000 Yeah.

00:46:47.000 Like, we're different together.

00:46:48.000 And we're different with other people as well.

00:46:50.000 I mean, that's how human beings are.

00:46:52.000 When we interact with each other, we have this bonding thing.

00:46:57.000 There's an interaction thing.

00:46:59.000 And that's why some people are toxic for you.

00:47:02.000 I mean, the idea that you're supposed to stay with everyone is like crazy.

00:47:05.000 Like, some people are just not good for you.

00:47:06.000 It's not a good mix.

00:47:07.000 You know?

00:47:08.000 You're not good for them, they're not good for you.

00:47:09.000 Get out! 0.98

00:47:11.000 That there's something that's going on.

00:47:13.000 It's not you just as an individual.

00:47:15.000 And then we were talking about gut biome and that as well.

00:47:19.000 You're also sharing gut biome with each other.

00:47:23.000 You're sharing DNA with each other.

00:47:25.000 You're sharing the skin.

00:47:28.000 There's little organisms living on your body.

00:47:31.000 You hug people with no shirt on.

00:47:32.000 You're sharing organisms.

00:47:34.000 It's one of the reasons why it feels good, I bet.

00:47:36.000 Yeah, man.

00:47:37.000 It's probably a great way to swap organisms to keep them spreading. 0.97

00:47:40.000 I mean, yeah, it benefits your biome if it wants to pollinate or get out into the world, for sure.

00:47:47.000 I was listening to a podcast, the Stephen Rinella podcast, Meat Eater, and there was a guy who was an expert in moving wildlife around, how sometimes they'll move wolves into certain particular areas.

00:47:59.000 They had too many moose in this one island.

00:48:02.000 And so they moved wolves in. 0.99

00:48:04.000 But the wolves, there wasn't enough of them, and they were on an island, so they all started fucking each other, and they were fucking their kids, and their DNA just was a mess. 0.96

00:48:14.000 Yeah, just all sorts of inbreeding, and it was just terrible, which is... 0.99

00:48:19.000 Also fascinating it's like Nature's like no no no you can't just stand around and fuck each other You gotta get out there like nature even with animals nature's like no no no this is not the game we're playing The game we're playing is not male and female the game we're playing is male that doesn't know female That's the game because you can't fuck your sister and you can't fuck your mom stop if you do it a few times But after a while your kids are just not gonna come out good, 0.99

00:48:44.000 which is weird, right? 0.99

00:48:45.000 Like how come?

00:48:47.000 If you're good and your sister's good, how come if you have sex, there's a high likelihood that the kid won't be good?

00:48:53.000 There's something wrong with the child. 0.97

00:48:55.000 And if the child fucks the sister, and then they have a child, it's even more likely.

00:49:00.000 This is what inbreeding is, and this is one of the reasons why you have a lot of problems with certain dog species.

00:49:06.000 It's a weird little thing that nature's got built into it. 1.00

00:49:10.000 Nature's like, keep moving, bitch. 1.00

00:49:12.000 Keep touching each other. 1.00

00:49:13.000 Keep spreading the biome.

00:49:15.000 Gotta move.

00:49:15.000 Yeah.

00:49:16.000 No matter what you are.

00:49:17.000 Swap and spit. 1.00

00:49:18.000 Keep it moving. 0.97

00:49:19.000 Have you seen that planet Earth with that poor sloth? 1.00

00:49:21.000 That poor horny, lonely sloth? 1.00

00:49:23.000 He's horny? 1.00

00:49:23.000 How do you know? 1.00

00:49:24.000 I'm pretty sure it was a sloth.

00:49:25.000 It was some kind of slow-moving tree creature.

00:49:28.000 And they set it up.

00:49:29.000 You know, I don't know how much of it is real.

00:49:30.000 Like, how much of it is they're just filming animals and telling a story about them. 0.99

00:49:34.000 But this sloth is horny. 0.91

00:49:36.000 It howls out into the forest. 0.99

00:49:39.000 Like...

00:49:41.000 And it hears like a shriek of a woman, a female, like, meh. 0.99

00:49:45.000 And it's like, oh, fuck, you know, it's, they, yeah, this poor guy, look how, fuck, can you get it from where he's in the tree? 0.99

00:49:50.000 Are we allowed to show this? 1.00

00:49:51.000 I'm not showing it, but yeah.

00:49:52.000 Don't show it.

00:49:52.000 So he, he doesn't have a girlfriend, that's what's up?

00:49:55.000 Yeah.

00:49:55.000 He's an incel?

00:49:56.000 He's climbed.

00:49:57.000 Incel of the sloth world? 0.77

00:49:58.000 This is an incel sloth. 0.67

00:50:00.000 It's not, because this sloth is going for it.

00:50:04.000 It's not staying in his apartment on the internet.

00:50:07.000 It's leaving his tree, swimming across an ocean, climbing up another tree. 0.99

00:50:13.000 But what a dirty trick nature played on this motherfucker to have him move so slow, everyone can catch you. 1.00

00:50:21.000 Nature's like, listen, you guys are too fucking stupid. 1.00

00:50:24.000 There's too many of you. 1.00

00:50:25.000 We're going to have to have it so eagles pick you off. 0.70

00:50:27.000 So they have him so slow, literally no one can miss them. 1.00

00:50:31.000 What a goddamn dirty trick. 1.00

00:50:33.000 You ever see a bear run? 1.00

00:50:34.000 They run fast! 1.00

00:50:36.000 You ever see a fucking wolf or a coyote run? 1.00

00:50:39.000 They're ridiculous. 1.00

00:50:39.000 This poor bastard... 1.00

00:50:41.000 This poor bastard is going so slow. 1.00

00:50:43.000 It looks like he's on slow-mo. 1.00

00:50:45.000 Like, we're looking at the leaves.

00:50:47.000 The leaves are moving at normal speed. 0.99

00:50:48.000 But he looks like he's on fucking slow-mo. 0.99

00:50:50.000 He looks like he's been eating benzos for the last nine months. 1.00

00:50:54.000 Like, just fucked up. 1.00

00:50:56.000 He's got an infinite Xanax prescription. 1.00

00:50:58.000 But, yeah.

00:51:00.000 Yeah, he's barely getting by.

00:51:02.000 Yeah.

00:51:03.000 We must look so fast to them.

00:51:06.000 Like, to them we must seem terrifying in how quickly we're moving.

00:51:10.000 How about the eagles?

00:51:11.000 You know, what is that eagle that gets them in South America?

00:51:15.000 The harpy eagle?

00:51:17.000 Is that what it is?

00:51:17.000 The biggest eagle on Earth?

00:51:19.000 I didn't know harpies ate sloths. 1.00

00:51:21.000 All they eat is monkeys and sloths.

00:51:24.000 That's crazy. 1.00

00:51:24.000 That's their favorite shit. 1.00

00:51:25.000 They snatch these sloths out of the tree. 1.00

00:51:27.000 Bitch! 1.00

00:51:27.000 Get over here! 1.00

00:51:29.000 Whoa, dude!

00:51:31.000 What is it?

00:51:32.000 A fight.

00:51:32.000 A fight between them?

00:51:34.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:51:34.000 Whoa.

00:51:35.000 Sloth fights back.

00:51:36.000 Oh my god, the sloth's fighting back.

00:51:37.000 Oh, that's a real young eagle.

00:51:38.000 What kind of fight is that?

00:51:40.000 Oh, the sloth is actually swinging at the eagle.

00:51:43.000 Imagine that?

00:51:44.000 Sort of.

00:51:44.000 You'd be like, what are you doing, man?

00:51:46.000 It's more like when someone's trying to wake you up.

00:51:48.000 It's like, get out of here. 0.99

00:51:49.000 No, that's like a drunk guy at a bar and you're trying not to fuck him up. 0.99

00:51:52.000 You're like, please don't make me hit you. 0.99

00:51:55.000 That is exactly it.

00:51:57.000 And the eagle seems perplexed by it. 0.88

00:51:59.000 Yeah, but you see the harpy eagle kill one because it's crazy, man.

00:52:04.000 They just swoop down.

00:52:05.000 They're so enormous. 0.98

00:52:07.000 And one of these guys, first of all, kudos to all these wildlife biologists that actually go down there and risk their ass. 0.98

00:52:14.000 Look at that. 0.98

00:52:15.000 Boom! 0.99

00:52:15.000 Hold on. 0.99

00:52:16.000 Back that up again. 1.00

00:52:18.000 Motherfucker. 1.00

00:52:19.000 Boom! 1.00

00:52:19.000 Jesus. 1.00

00:52:20.000 That is a big killer bird. 0.60

00:52:23.000 And he just snatches that poor little guy.

00:52:26.000 But somebody had to be there to film that.

00:52:28.000 And there was one of them that I watched on the Harpy Eagle, which is a beautiful animal, where this guy who was a photographer, who was one of the scientists who was studying him, got attacked. 0.98

00:52:39.000 The eagle swooped in and fucking took a swing at him. 0.96

00:52:43.000 Was he okay? 0.99

00:52:44.000 Yeah, barely.

00:52:45.000 But I mean, that gets sketchy when a 25-pound flying bird with knives coming out of its feet is trying to snatch you.

00:52:52.000 I mean, something that can literally carry a fish.

00:52:54.000 Can you imagine how strong your hand would be if you could shove your hand into the river, snatch a salmon, and pull it out with one hand?

00:53:01.000 I'm going to be honest, it's that strong.

00:53:02.000 I do that.

00:53:03.000 That's how I fish.

00:53:04.000 It's amazing.

00:53:05.000 I love the feeling of...

00:53:06.000 You should make a YouTube video.

00:53:07.000 I don't want to film myself out in nature.

00:53:09.000 You know how it is.

00:53:10.000 I prefer to...

00:53:11.000 That's my private time in the wild.

00:53:14.000 Bro, they just snatch them and then they fly with them. 0.97

00:53:16.000 They're so fucking strong. 0.95

00:53:18.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:53:18.000 If that thing was coming after you... 0.98

00:53:20.000 And I think the Harpy Eagle is probably even bigger than 25 pounds.

00:53:23.000 I think 25 pounds is like a big bald eagle.

00:53:26.000 Yeah.

00:53:26.000 I think the Harpy Eagle is even larger than that.

00:53:29.000 Dude, one of my friends told me something that has always kind of creeped me out.

00:53:33.000 It's obviously probably not true.

00:53:35.000 Those are my favorite things.

00:53:37.000 Yeah, mine too!

00:53:38.000 University of Bro Science.

00:53:40.000 He's 11 pounds?

00:53:42.000 That's it?

00:53:43.000 What's the heaviest eagle?

00:53:46.000 Wow, I'm off big time.

00:53:48.000 I guess that makes sense, though, because a turkey is...

00:53:50.000 A giant turkey is like a 20-pound turkey, right?

00:53:53.000 The Stellars Sea Eagle is average weight 15 pounds.

00:53:57.000 Oh, wow.

00:53:58.000 Philippine Eagle, 14 pounds.

00:53:59.000 Harpy Eagle, 13.1. 0.99

00:54:00.000 No shit. 0.99

00:54:01.000 Why do I feel like we've done this before? 0.99

00:54:03.000 I don't know.

00:54:03.000 I feel like you were...

00:54:04.000 I thought you were right, though, but maybe it's just...

00:54:06.000 If I was in Vegas and I had to bet whether or not you looked up the weight of the biggest eagle, I would bet a million dollars that you have definitely looked that up.

00:54:14.000 I know exactly what it is.

00:54:15.000 I got it confused with an extinct eagle in New Zealand that was enormous, that they think hunted people.

00:54:22.000 And that one was 25 pounds.

00:54:24.000 And I was shocked that it was only 25 pounds. 0.99

00:54:27.000 It's called the Haast Eagle, H-A-A-S-T. Show a picture of what that fucking thing was like. 0.97

00:54:31.000 It says none of them verified to exceed 20 pounds, but they think they were bigger, yeah. 0.98

00:54:36.000 See, that's it. 0.99

00:54:37.000 That's where I fucked up. 0.97

00:54:38.000 I was looking at this thing and I was like, why? 0.98

00:54:40.000 It's only 20 pounds or 25 pounds.

00:54:42.000 Because you look at the size of it. 0.99

00:54:44.000 It was fucking huge. 0.99

00:54:45.000 And they really think they might have hunted humans. 0.99

00:54:48.000 They think that might be why the people, I think it was New Zealand, why the people in New Zealand wiped them out. 0.99

00:54:55.000 And this was like before the white man came and fucked everything up. 0.98

00:54:58.000 Did you see that documentary on falconeering? 1.00

00:55:01.000 No.

00:55:01.000 Which one is that?

00:55:02.000 It's this woman who's like, I wish I could remember her name, but she goes up to, I think, Tibet.

00:55:08.000 And they took her in and taught her how to hunt, because it's the way they hunt, with birds.

00:55:15.000 The whole relationship you have, you sort of have to raise the falcon from a baby, and they're connected to it.

00:55:22.000 But it's the most insane thing to witness, because it's such a remote place.

00:55:28.000 And it's such a, like, traditional people.

00:55:31.000 They don't watch TV. They don't know, you know, they're not, like, absorbed in shit like we are. 0.99

00:55:36.000 They're just out there hunting with giant birds. 0.99

00:55:40.000 And, you know, they figured out how to do that.

00:55:43.000 You know, that's, to me, all the stuff, like horse, ride, any human-animal relationship...

00:55:50.000 When you think back to the first person who saw a falcon and was like, I'm going to catch it, and I'm going to train it to catch rabbits so we can eat.

00:56:01.000 Yeah.

00:56:02.000 How?

00:56:03.000 How?

00:56:04.000 How? 1.00

00:56:04.000 That shit is... 1.00

00:56:05.000 I don't know if this is the exact documentary, but this is one on it called The Challenge, where... 1.00

00:56:12.000 That's not it.

00:56:13.000 This looks like Saudi Arabia.

00:56:17.000 They're sharpening the claws?

00:56:18.000 What are they using them to hunt?

00:56:21.000 It seems like they're having an event here.

00:56:23.000 Oh, they're sharpening their beak? 1.00

00:56:26.000 What the fuck? 1.00

00:56:28.000 Yeah, this wasn't it. 1.00

00:56:29.000 This is another version.

00:56:30.000 They're watching soccer.

00:56:31.000 They're riding on sand dunes.

00:56:33.000 These guys are driving land cruisers in the middle of the desert somewhere.

00:56:36.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:56:37.000 They have GoPros on them and shit. 0.97

00:56:38.000 They're in Land Cruisers. 0.99

00:56:39.000 Oh, and they're letting go pigeons and the pigeons are going to get jacked.

00:56:42.000 Wow.

00:56:43.000 Oh my god.

00:56:44.000 Oh my god, they got a room filled with pigeons.

00:56:46.000 Yeah.

00:56:47.000 Or those falcons.

00:56:48.000 Yeah, probably falcons.

00:56:49.000 Well...

00:56:50.000 No, those are...

00:56:50.000 I can't tell.

00:56:51.000 Which one's the pigeon?

00:56:52.000 Some of them have to be pigeons, right?

00:56:54.000 Those are pigeons.

00:56:55.000 So what is the challenge?

00:56:56.000 Like, who jacks the most pigeons? 0.99

00:56:58.000 The fuck is that? 1.00

00:56:59.000 Wait a minute. 1.00

00:57:00.000 It's called The Challenge?

00:57:02.000 The movie is called The Challenge.

00:57:02.000 It's a documentary that came out, won awards a couple years ago.

00:57:05.000 Really?

00:57:06.000 Yeah.

00:57:06.000 And it's just about falcons jacking pigeons.

00:57:09.000 Oh.

00:57:09.000 I thought this was the one he was talking about, but apparently it's not.

00:57:13.000 I want to watch that one.

00:57:14.000 Multiple cool falconers.

00:57:15.000 These guys are sharpening the beaks and sharpening the claws.

00:57:19.000 Dude, this is going to be your next thing.

00:57:20.000 You're going to get into falconeering.

00:57:22.000 The next time I come here, you're going to have a falcon, some kind of like... 0.99

00:57:26.000 One of them Mongolian dudes with the fur hat, the ring, with the fucking spike on the top of it. 1.00

00:57:33.000 That is the one. 1.00

00:57:33.000 That's it. 1.00

00:57:34.000 Mongolian. 1.00

00:57:35.000 This guy's driving around with a goddamn street up. 1.00

00:57:36.000 About this movie. 1.00

00:57:38.000 Oh, wow. 1.00

00:57:39.000 No shit. 1.00

00:57:41.000 Yeah, dudes have crazy money, man. 1.00

00:57:44.000 They just have to figure out some way to ball.

00:57:46.000 So they get killer birds.

00:57:48.000 Look at those chairs!

00:57:49.000 Dude, birds are an amazing thing.

00:57:51.000 If you really watch them and see them in the wild do their thing, like snatch a fish out of the water, what it is is a raptor.

00:58:02.000 It's a flying raptor.

00:58:05.000 We tolerate it because it's small. 0.98

00:58:08.000 But we probably killed all the ones that could kill us. 0.99

00:58:11.000 Well, yeah, right? 0.71

00:58:12.000 They were like giant, giant eagles at some point. 1.00

00:58:15.000 Look at the fucking eyes on that thing, man. 1.00

00:58:17.000 Look at that. 1.00

00:58:18.000 Look at the eyes on that thing. 0.99

00:58:22.000 If that was a big thing, like the size of you coming at you and trying to kill you and eat you, first of all, you'd be totally helpless. 0.91

00:58:31.000 If that thing was your size, you would be 100%.

00:58:33.000 Every human being would be 100% helpless.

00:58:36.000 Those things are so strong.

00:58:38.000 It would grab ahold of you with its feet. 1.00

00:58:40.000 It would start ripping you apart with that fucking bolt cutter it has growing out of its face. 1.00

00:58:46.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:58:47.000 Fuck, man. 1.00

00:58:48.000 It would just... 1.00

00:58:49.000 Just that fucking thing would be the size of a sword. 1.00

00:58:53.000 Like a samurai sword that would just be smashing in, ripping your guts out. 1.00

00:58:58.000 You'd probably still be alive for a second to watch it take a taste of your guts.

00:59:03.000 It would probably be like the size of one of Shaq's shoes. 0.74

00:59:08.000 Right?

00:59:09.000 That would be his beak. 0.71

00:59:11.000 Size 22?

00:59:12.000 Yeah, like a beak, right?

00:59:14.000 He looked at his beak. 1.00

00:59:16.000 Big ass shoe. 1.00

00:59:17.000 Huge knife. 1.00

00:59:18.000 Big fucking head. 1.00

00:59:19.000 Head this big. 1.00

00:59:20.000 Big ass shoe for a... 1.00

00:59:24.000 Carrying you to feed its babies, right? 0.99

00:59:27.000 That's what they do.

00:59:27.000 They eat you first and puke you into the baby's mouth.

00:59:30.000 Yeah, and they eat other birds too. 1.00

00:59:32.000 They eat whatever the fuck they want. 0.98

00:59:33.000 Those things are always fun. 0.99

00:59:34.000 You know, I used to find them headless in my backyard.

00:59:36.000 There was like a little bit of a war between the hawks in my yard.

00:59:40.000 We put in this...

00:59:43.000 Yeah.

01:00:03.000 And he died.

01:00:04.000 And then other ones just started moving into the area.

01:00:06.000 Like they were flying around my chicken coop and like little juvenile hawks. 1.00

01:00:10.000 They were kind of assholes. 1.00

01:00:11.000 Almost like teenagers. 1.00

01:00:12.000 I was like, what the fuck is going on here? 0.99

01:00:14.000 And then I'd find one of them with his head missing. 1.00

01:00:16.000 Jesus Christ. 1.00

01:00:17.000 So like some other hawk killed it and ripped its fucking head off. 1.00

01:00:21.000 And a bigger hawk left it in my yard dead with no head. 1.00

01:00:25.000 Like a message. 0.99

01:00:26.000 I was trying to figure out what the fuck eats something's head. 0.99

01:00:28.000 But apparently that's something that a hawk will do to each other. 0.99

01:00:33.000 So it's like the equivalent of the Mad Max putting your enemy's head on a spike in front of your area?

01:00:38.000 Yes. 0.99

01:00:38.000 You claim all his friends get to see his headless body when you shit on it, when you fly over. 0.99

01:00:46.000 Find out if that's true. 0.99

01:00:47.000 That might be a lie.

01:00:48.000 Who cares?

01:00:50.000 It's true!

01:00:50.000 But I want to find out if Hawks...

01:00:52.000 We're very high right now, ladies and gentlemen.

01:00:55.000 But I'm pretty sure that I read that when I found the headless bird in my yard. 0.98

01:01:00.000 Have you seen the Tibetan sky burial shit? 0.99

01:01:02.000 Yes. 1.00

01:01:02.000 Yeah, that stuff's cool, man. 1.00

01:01:04.000 That's crazy.

01:01:05.000 Yeah, it's amazing.

01:01:06.000 Tell people what it is.

01:01:07.000 That's when you...

01:01:10.000 Basically, instead of cremation, your friends hack your body up into pieces and take it to where they're vultures. 0.74

01:01:18.000 Buzzards?

01:01:19.000 I'm not sure which.

01:01:20.000 Vultures.

01:01:20.000 I think they're vultures.

01:01:21.000 Scatter your body.

01:01:22.000 They descend on it.

01:01:24.000 They eat it.

01:01:25.000 And all that's left is bones.

01:01:27.000 They even smash the head so that the vultures can get inside the head. 0.99

01:01:29.000 Get your brain. 0.94

01:01:31.000 All your memories.

01:01:32.000 And then I just saw this incredible documentary on the history of...

01:01:37.000 I think it was the Himalayas.

01:01:38.000 There's civilizations there.

01:01:40.000 Because, like, they're genetically...

01:01:43.000 It's why the Sherpas are able to help people.

01:01:45.000 Like, they are able to take oxygen and more.

01:01:48.000 There's some kind of split that happened at that high in altitude. 0.99

01:01:52.000 But, like, these fucking crazy scientists were rappelling down the side of these cliff faces and going into... 0.96

01:02:01.000 Tombs in the side of cliffs and looking at these bones of these people where they're not sure of what their history is. 0.97

01:02:08.000 And like they'd been pecked by birds, you know, so they were like, oh, okay, they were doing the sky burial even now.

01:02:15.000 But some of them had spikes nailed into them.

01:02:19.000 So, like, they nailed them?

01:02:20.000 They were vampires or something.

01:02:21.000 Oh, my God.

01:02:22.000 Maybe there was, like, a zombie... 0.99

01:02:23.000 Like, who knows what the fuck happened. 0.97

01:02:25.000 But back then, they thought that, you know... 0.96

01:02:29.000 I mean, even in Western graveyards, you'll find...

01:02:31.000 Spikes through what part of their body? 0.99

01:02:33.000 I think their chests or their heads.

01:02:35.000 So somebody killed them?

01:02:36.000 Oh, no, no, no.

01:02:37.000 It was post-death.

01:02:39.000 Oh, really?

01:02:40.000 For sure?

01:02:40.000 Yeah.

01:02:41.000 Yeah, pretty sure.

01:02:42.000 Not for sure, but pretty sure.

01:02:43.000 But that was...

01:02:45.000 Not uncommon.

01:02:46.000 I mean, there's so many examples of finding like graves that have spikes hammered in them because people thought that the body was a vampire.

01:02:56.000 That didn't come from nowhere.

01:02:58.000 You think that there was a time when bodies used to come back to life and that parasite's dead now?

01:03:04.000 No. 0.52

01:03:05.000 No? 0.98

01:03:05.000 I think there was a fucking time where people's neocortex hadn't formed enough to separate their subconscious from their conscious so they were like hallucinating more and also they were like they had a kind of they were projecting a lot of crazy shit into the world also imagine when you found out you could lie like the first liars yeah this is like there were people that would have language and then people once they started communicating like hey who fucking ate the tomatoes? 0.98

01:03:36.000 Not me. 0.98

01:03:37.000 And you realize you can get away with that.

01:03:39.000 You could lie and say you didn't eat tomatoes when you did.

01:03:42.000 Who's the first liar?

01:03:44.000 Because before language, there was no liars.

01:03:46.000 There's no liars in the lying kingdom.

01:03:49.000 It's not even a concept.

01:03:50.000 Because you can't have a lie until you have communication.

01:03:53.000 Well, I guess you could say lying is the equivalent of camouflage, in the sense that when you see some of these insane animals, bugs in particular, that look like flowers, that look like...

01:04:10.000 Yeah, that's a lie.

01:04:11.000 It's a form of deception.

01:04:12.000 It's a form of evolutionary deception.

01:04:15.000 So, yeah, I think that, like, it's a linguistic camouflage that people use to try to, like, navigate through society.

01:04:23.000 Not just people. 0.91

01:04:25.000 Monkeys.

01:04:25.000 And monkeys, too.

01:04:26.000 Monkeys use language and they lie to each other.

01:04:28.000 Yeah.

01:04:28.000 They found out that monkeys have a very specific sound they make when it's an eagle.

01:04:33.000 And they have an other sound that they make when it's a cat.

01:04:36.000 Like something on the ground.

01:04:39.000 So they have something for up high and something on the ground.

01:04:42.000 And so one monkey will yell out something like, oh, an eagle's coming.

01:04:46.000 The other monkey's scattering.

01:04:47.000 Then he gets the fruit.

01:04:48.000 Yeah.

01:04:49.000 It's like, ha ha!

01:04:50.000 That's crazy.

01:04:52.000 And then they'll yell that something's on the ground.

01:04:55.000 They'll run up to the trees.

01:04:56.000 They lie to each other. 0.99

01:04:57.000 To me, what the funniest fucking thing is how much we lie to ourselves. 0.99

01:05:02.000 That's where it gets amazing. 0.97

01:05:04.000 It's like, you know, you were talking about, and I've done the exact same thing with screen time when you're presented that humiliating number of hours and you've been telling friends you're busy and you're fucking looking at that just thinking like, dude, I've been like...

01:05:17.000 You know, looking at bullshit, but then before you do that, you're like, but it's my job, you know, I've got to kind of be online. 0.93

01:05:24.000 It's like, no, you're addicted to technology. 0.98

01:05:27.000 And because you can't stand the fact that you don't have the discipline to stop using it, you would rather make up a story involving some absolutely verifiable bullshit, so that you don't have to deal with the fact that you aren't in full control of yourself.

01:05:44.000 And it's a non-rewarding addiction, which is really strange.

01:05:47.000 It's like when you're looking at stories on, like, the Apple news feed or something, you're scrolling, looking for something that's going to captivate you.

01:05:54.000 Yeah.

01:05:54.000 What is, oh, Apple having problems with the keyboards?

01:05:57.000 Yeah.

01:05:57.000 And you start reading this, and it's like, oh, you can't, Huawei can't sell laptops in the U.S. anymore.

01:06:02.000 Like, how much of that am I, like you were saying earlier, how much of that is junk thoughts?

01:06:07.000 Yeah.

01:06:07.000 These are junk thoughts, like junk food.

01:06:09.000 Junk food.

01:06:10.000 You're just consuming. 0.84

01:06:11.000 Consuming...

01:06:13.000 And I don't think it's useless.

01:06:14.000 I think it serves a purpose.

01:06:15.000 Some of it does.

01:06:16.000 Maybe not a purpose in the way you're going to be as a human, but a purpose in the sense of if you apply a little bit of mindfulness when you're using your phone, how do I feel right now?

01:06:30.000 You know what I'm talking about? 0.94

01:06:31.000 How do I fucking feel? 0.98

01:06:33.000 You'll realize you feel a specific way. 0.99

01:06:35.000 It's a kind of like numbness.

01:06:37.000 There's a quality of like, a kind of like sedated numbness to the hypnotic state you've been lulled into by the algorithms.

01:06:45.000 And there's some pleasant kind of like, I guess you could compare it to some like low level euphoric painkiller, but not very euphoric, mostly just a mild numbness that is pretty good at turning off Anxiety.

01:07:02.000 Or you could at least displace your own personal anxiety.

01:07:05.000 Like, if I'm scanning through my phone, and I find the inevitable bad news, whatever form it's in, I could pretend that my anxiety is related to that news, you know?

01:07:17.000 And then that's when you get people who are very anxious, and I've seen it.

01:07:22.000 Who was that famous?

01:07:23.000 Some person tweeted, I'm here in this beautiful place, and I can't enjoy it because of our president.

01:07:31.000 You know what I mean?

01:07:31.000 It's like, whoa, I'm not sure that's the real reason why you can't enjoy that place.

01:07:39.000 I think it might be, actually, that you haven't dealt with the fact that you're freaking the fuck out, right? 0.66

01:07:47.000 That, to me, is the purpose of a phone. 0.98

01:07:49.000 It's very good at tricking yourself into thinking that the reason you feel like shit is because of something happening in the world. 0.98

01:07:56.000 It's a bandwidth eater, too. 0.97

01:07:58.000 And here's what the problem with that is.

01:07:59.000 Sometimes you have, like, these legitimate thoughts.

01:08:01.000 And when you have these legitimate thoughts, meaning, like, something you're working on, something you're, like, whether it's an idea you're trying to do on stage or something else, another project that you're doing, these things, they require your bandwidth,

01:08:18.000 right?

01:08:18.000 And when you're always looking at your phone, it chips away percentages of your bandwidth.

01:08:23.000 Ten here, five there, twenty there, seven there.

01:08:26.000 And you don't think about it because, nope, I'm still concentrating on the project.

01:08:29.000 I'm still on the project.

01:08:30.000 The project, the project, the project.

01:08:31.000 But really, no.

01:08:32.000 Really, you're in two rivers at the same time.

01:08:36.000 You're in this wacky river of nonsense and wondering who got this and how much they're getting in this divorce and who died in the Dominican Republic.

01:08:44.000 Oh, my God.

01:08:45.000 Another person?

01:08:45.000 Another tourist?

01:08:46.000 Oh, my God.

01:08:48.000 If you want to look at all the bad stuff that happens amongst 7 billion people, you have to think of all the interactions that humans have.

01:08:59.000 Literally billions of interactions every day. 0.99

01:09:03.000 People constantly, and occasionally one goes fucking Western! 0.97

01:09:07.000 One goes sideways, and that's the one you see on YouTube. 1.00

01:09:10.000 Jesus Christ, this world's going to shit! 0.99

01:09:12.000 And then you watch another one, and you watch another one, and you watch... 1.00

01:09:16.000 Infectious diseases and snake bites and what happens when you get necropsy, when your fucking flesh starts falling off. 0.99

01:09:25.000 Sure. 0.99

01:09:25.000 Flesh eating bacteria. 0.99

01:09:26.000 Classic.

01:09:26.000 How'd they get that?

01:09:27.000 Snorkeling? 0.99

01:09:28.000 And the next thing you know, you're fucking just numb. 0.97

01:09:32.000 Numb to your real life because you're taking in data from everywhere. 0.98

01:09:37.000 Yeah, that's it. 1.00

01:09:38.000 Fuck, man. 1.00

01:09:39.000 And it's like, then that gets inside of you and now you're just a turbulent, you have a turbulent self that has digested a version of the world that's only half true. 1.00

01:09:50.000 And so because of that, you're going to be half a person because you're not looking into like your own, whatever the fuck you are. 1.00

01:09:59.000 You know, what are you? 1.00

01:10:01.000 What are you?

01:10:02.000 How much do you even think about what are you?

01:10:05.000 Yeah.

01:10:05.000 How much time have you spent?

01:10:07.000 To me, it's like the craziest shit. 1.00

01:10:11.000 We were talking about the sex drive being this insane, compulsory engine inside every sentient being that I know of. 1.00

01:10:22.000 Of course, there's exceptions.

01:10:23.000 But like...

01:10:25.000 This is, if you're writing a computer code, right?

01:10:28.000 This would be a line of code, right?

01:10:30.000 It keeps you going, keeps you going, keeps you going. 0.98

01:10:33.000 So to me, something that's fucking astoundingly weird is why the fuck can people not sit still and be quiet for periods exceeding 10 minutes, 20 minutes, 30 minutes, 0.98

01:10:48.000 literally the least Metabolically, outside of sleeping, right? 0.98

01:10:53.000 You're not really exerting energy when you're sitting still and being quiet.

01:10:57.000 You're not really doing much.

01:11:00.000 And yet, if you ask...

01:11:01.000 I could ask a person if they wanted to go for a walk.

01:11:04.000 Sure, I'll go for a walk.

01:11:06.000 But if you're like, do you want to sit with me for like 10 minutes?

01:11:09.000 Quietly?

01:11:09.000 It's weird.

01:11:10.000 I get it.

01:11:11.000 They're like, no, I don't want to.

01:11:12.000 I'm not into that.

01:11:13.000 No, I don't want to do that. 0.99

01:11:14.000 What the fuck is that? 0.99

01:11:15.000 To me, that... 0.99

01:11:17.000 Not that I believe in simulation theory, but if I wanted to prove it or play around with it, the idea that we're non-player characters in some super advanced simulator, one of the ways I would experiment would be like, oh, sit still. 0.99

01:11:31.000 Why the fuck can't you sit still? 0.99

01:11:33.000 Why is it that suddenly your mind goes insane? 1.00

01:11:35.000 Why is it suddenly that you gotta get out? 0.97

01:11:37.000 Why do you feel bored or crazy or fucking overheated or anxious or nervous? 0.93

01:11:42.000 Because we have to be productive, Duncan. 0.97

01:11:44.000 Yeah.

01:11:44.000 That's why everybody wants stimulants.

01:11:47.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:11:48.000 They want to be more productive.

01:11:50.000 Yeah.

01:12:17.000 It's an interior, like, maelstrom of thoughts and unexplored feelings, and then this is just basically shaping their entire existence.

01:12:28.000 They're, like, in every single moment recreating a universe of disorder.

01:12:33.000 And then getting really upset because if you see disorder in the world and it keeps reappearing, like your friend who's like, why do I get taken in by these people all the time?

01:12:42.000 It's like, well, you get taken in by these people all the time because inside of you is a behavior pattern that is replicating this phenomena.

01:12:52.000 And you're pretending that it's not in you to the point where it's a mystery.

01:12:57.000 It's like, you know, when I drive somewhere, I'm not like, why did my car drive me here?

01:13:02.000 You know? 0.67

01:13:02.000 Unless I'm like fucking high out of my mind and shouldn't be driving. 0.67

01:13:06.000 In which case, you need to get an Uber, man. 0.90

01:13:09.000 You know what I mean?

01:13:10.000 Pull over and find a Starbucks.

01:13:11.000 A person will legitimately be like, I don't know why I did that.

01:13:16.000 And it's like, well, what are you?

01:13:19.000 What are you?

01:13:19.000 Yeah.

01:13:20.000 Right.

01:13:20.000 Are you something different if you have sugar in your gut?

01:13:23.000 Yeah.

01:13:24.000 Are you?

01:13:25.000 Yeah.

01:13:26.000 When your candida level hits a certain number.

01:13:30.000 Yeah.

01:13:31.000 And it starts telling you you need sugar, Duncan.

01:13:33.000 Yeah.

01:13:33.000 How about a nice cold Coca-Cola, Duncan?

01:13:35.000 Yeah.

01:13:36.000 Duncan.

01:13:37.000 Just crackle with one Coke.

01:13:38.000 It's not going to hurt you to have one Coke.

01:13:39.000 You're right.

01:13:40.000 I need a cake to go along with it. 1.00

01:13:42.000 Fuck that water. 1.00

01:13:42.000 Who wants to go and buy water when it's right next to the Coke? 1.00

01:13:45.000 Nasty fucking water. 1.00

01:13:46.000 That's nonsense. 1.00

01:13:47.000 Boring, flavorless air.

01:13:49.000 Thick, flavorless air.

01:13:51.000 Staying alive.

01:13:51.000 Staying alive here with my water.

01:13:54.000 Sewage brown sugar death poured into my fucking guts. 1.00

01:14:00.000 Or a nice IPA. A nice bitter yellow liquid. 1.00

01:14:04.000 It tastes like wheat.

01:14:06.000 Yeah.

01:14:08.000 Having an addictive personality, man, I like it because it's like it's fun to play around with it, meaning that when I am reaching for the thing, whatever it may be, that I know I shouldn't be doing.

01:14:20.000 That's the fun.

01:14:21.000 Well, I like watching the rationalization that my mind starts spitting out for it.

01:14:26.000 You know, like, oh, I'm doing this because it's like, you know, I'm relaxing.

01:14:30.000 You know, it's a celebratory moment.

01:14:32.000 I feel a little bummed out. 0.96

01:14:34.000 And you look at like the instant way your mind tries to come up with a bullshit story to write off the fact that you are riding around in a vehicle that you can't control.

01:14:45.000 And that is not a very appealing way to be.

01:14:49.000 No one wants to hear the pilot say, guys, Taking my hands off the wheel.

01:14:55.000 Let's just see what happens for the next 10 minutes up here.

01:14:58.000 And yet, their whole lives are like that.

01:15:01.000 They've just taken their hands off the wheel, but then they're trying to make sense of it, you know?

01:15:05.000 Like, how many times do you meet an alcoholic who hasn't accepted yet they're an alcoholic?

01:15:09.000 And they're, like, telling you all these reasons for...

01:15:13.000 You see, my childhood, man.

01:15:15.000 You just gotta understand my childhood.

01:15:17.000 Or...

01:15:17.000 You know, it helps my writing.

01:15:19.000 I'm a better writer when I'm drunk.

01:15:21.000 Or on and on and on and on. 1.00

01:15:23.000 And it's like, no, the reality is you're fucking hooked. 0.99

01:15:26.000 You're addicted. 1.00

01:15:27.000 You can't stop your hand from bringing something into your fucking mouth. 1.00

01:15:31.000 And you can't deal with that because who wants to deal with that shit, man? 1.00

01:15:36.000 I want to be in control. 1.00

01:15:38.000 So I'll make up a story.

01:15:39.000 I'll make up a story. 1.00

01:15:41.000 I love watching your shit, man. 1.00

01:15:43.000 That Goggins, what's his name? 1.00

01:15:44.000 David Goggins.

01:15:45.000 Oh, he's great.

01:15:46.000 I love him.

01:15:46.000 He's an animal.

01:15:48.000 Thwarting laziness globally.

01:15:49.000 This guy's galloping down the road, yelling into the camera.

01:15:53.000 And I love it, man.

01:15:55.000 Especially as a person who's really good at telling stories. 0.98

01:15:57.000 So I'll fucking wake up in the morning. 0.97

01:16:01.000 I'll be like, yeah, there's time to go for a jog. 0.99

01:16:05.000 But, you know, I probably should fill in the fucking blank. 0.93

01:16:09.000 And it's always very important, you know? 0.97

01:16:10.000 There's always a real good reason for it.

01:16:13.000 But regardless, the truth is, I have yet to achieve the ability to grab that particular part of the steering mechanism of my identity, you know?

01:16:22.000 And so rather than just deal with, yeah, you can't control yourself, I'll tell myself a story.

01:16:27.000 I love that.

01:16:27.000 It's a tricky one.

01:16:28.000 Yeah, it is.

01:16:29.000 That one, the comfort one, is a tricky one.

01:16:32.000 Comfort is the siren.

01:16:35.000 Come back to the couch.

01:16:38.000 How about a nice cup of tea?

01:16:41.000 Tea has no vice.

01:16:43.000 It's actually good for you.

01:16:44.000 It's herbal.

01:16:45.000 Just relax.

01:16:46.000 A little tea.

01:16:48.000 A little ketamine.

01:16:50.000 How about read the New York Times?

01:16:52.000 Find out what the intellectuals think about the way the world is.

01:16:56.000 Yeah, right.

01:16:57.000 It's amazing.

01:16:58.000 I love it.

01:16:59.000 You can find things to do, man.

01:17:00.000 I don't sit down and listen to music.

01:17:02.000 I'm going to sit down and listen to some albums.

01:17:04.000 Well, I need to because, you know, I'm interested in music and I'm thinking of making some songs and I want to become inspired.

01:17:12.000 I think a lot when I'm running.

01:17:15.000 And it's one of the main reasons why I really like to do it first thing in the morning.

01:17:19.000 It kind of gets my head going.

01:17:22.000 It gets me ramped up real early.

01:17:24.000 I like to do it first thing in the morning.

01:17:27.000 Because it gets your head thinking.

01:17:28.000 Yeah.

01:17:28.000 Like you're out there breathing and running up the hill, and you're pushing yourself, you're tired, and then a thought will come into your head.

01:17:36.000 You know, just out of nowhere.

01:17:37.000 You get a strange idea just popping into your head.

01:17:40.000 And then you start dancing around with that idea, wondering, why are you even thinking about that now? 0.99

01:17:44.000 And you start thinking about shit you need to fix about, I've got to clean my fucking office. 0.99

01:17:47.000 And you just run in and thinking about, oh, why didn't I, I've got to call that guy back. 1.00

01:17:51.000 Fuck! 1.00

01:17:52.000 And all these like, it's like brain maintenance. 1.00

01:17:54.000 Like your brain's like shaking from all the pounding.

01:17:57.000 It's like, hey, hey, hey, we got a loose screw over here in aisle four.

01:18:00.000 Like, oh yeah, I forgot.

01:18:01.000 I got to call that guy. 1.00

01:18:02.000 I'm going to tighten that bitch down. 1.00

01:18:03.000 Yeah, man. 1.00

01:18:05.000 This is what I love about meditating.

01:18:08.000 And that's something I finally have figured out how to do regularly.

01:18:13.000 And I love it.

01:18:14.000 How often are you doing?

01:18:15.000 Every day.

01:18:16.000 That's awesome.

01:18:17.000 Every day.

01:18:17.000 How much time?

01:18:18.000 20 minutes. 0.97

01:18:19.000 How much time do you jerk off during the meditation? 0.99

01:18:22.000 Oh, God, man. 0.96

01:18:23.000 You know, it varies based on the weather. 0.99

01:18:25.000 It's so fucking... 0.99

01:18:26.000 Imagine if rain made you horny. 1.00

01:18:29.000 I just get sad and I want to beat off.

01:18:31.000 It's just, yeah, when it's raining, it's just like I come faster, but then, like, if it's windy, I can't get it up. 0.96

01:18:37.000 Imagine if there was a movie about someone who just became a fucking nymphomaniac when it rained out. 0.97

01:18:42.000 I'm sure that happens. 1.00

01:18:43.000 Like, as soon as it rains out, it's like, fuck! 1.00

01:18:48.000 If that's how... 1.00

01:18:49.000 I mean, you think about humans.

01:18:51.000 Dude.

01:18:52.000 How we're affected by things.

01:18:53.000 By weather.

01:18:53.000 People get depressed when it rains out.

01:18:55.000 Or, you know, we don't like...

01:18:57.000 Now, again, definitely... 1.00

01:19:13.000 Fuck. 1.00

01:19:16.000 Fuck. 1.00

01:19:20.000 I knew it! 1.00

01:19:21.000 That explains it!

01:19:23.000 I'm a NASA scientist, and you're telling me this? 1.00

01:19:26.000 It's the craziest shit, man. 1.00

01:19:28.000 The sun freaks me out. 1.00

01:19:30.000 Not just the fact there is a sun, but the solar observatory... 0.99

01:19:33.000 The shit that happened up at that solar observatory... 0.99

01:19:37.000 I'm high. 1.00

01:19:38.000 I can't even say observatory.

01:19:40.000 Which solar observatory?

01:19:40.000 You know you're high when you can't even say observatory.

01:19:43.000 Turn the bubbles on, please.

01:19:44.000 Turn on the bubbles! 0.99

01:19:46.000 So, what's happening in the solar observatory? 1.00

01:19:48.000 Well, you heard about this shit that happened. 0.99

01:19:49.000 There's this solar observatory that just got fucking shut down all of a sudden. 1.00

01:19:53.000 And, like, the black helicopters came in. 0.98

01:19:55.000 Oh, no.

01:19:56.000 Anyway, I don't know what happened there.

01:19:57.000 Close it down.

01:19:58.000 The sun is at a solar minimum right now.

01:20:01.000 Oh, look. 0.99

01:20:01.000 We have to fucking get through a paywall. 0.99

01:20:03.000 You sons of bitches. 1.00

01:20:04.000 What is this? 1.00

01:20:06.000 Oh, you need to fucking... 1.00

01:20:08.000 Oh my god. 1.00

01:20:08.000 Guys, come on. 1.00

01:20:09.000 Continue.

01:20:10.000 What do they want from us? 1.00

01:20:12.000 Fucks. 1.00

01:20:13.000 UFO sittings. 1.00

01:20:14.000 NASA Soho space probe spots giant alien disk shoot out of hollow sun.

01:20:20.000 What?

01:20:21.000 That's not a...

01:20:22.000 What's the Express, Duncan?

01:20:26.000 That's the hardcore scientific stuff.

01:20:28.000 Take me to something less scientific.

01:20:30.000 Yeah, who is the Express, like the Daily Mail?

01:20:33.000 Who makes stuff up?

01:20:35.000 Like the Enquirer or someone?

01:20:38.000 What was the newspaper one?

01:20:40.000 Gizmodo.

01:20:40.000 Next month's total solar eclipse will pass right over a space observatory.

01:20:45.000 Oh, wow.

01:20:45.000 Joe, have you really not heard about the solar observatory that got shut down?

01:20:48.000 I'm surprised.

01:20:49.000 Look how pretty that picture is.

01:20:50.000 Will you look that up?

01:20:51.000 Just solar observatory shut down, black helicopters.

01:20:54.000 Hold on, hold on.

01:20:54.000 Let's go back to that photo real quick before we do that.

01:20:56.000 We'll do that real quick.

01:20:57.000 Sorry, by the way, if I'm barking orders at you, Jamie.

01:20:59.000 No, no, it's okay.

01:21:00.000 I love you.

01:21:00.000 I'm very sorry.

01:21:01.000 But look at that goddamn photo. 0.99

01:21:03.000 There's this photo of the solar eclipse, and you see all the rays of the sun. 0.99

01:21:08.000 By the way, imagine if these were little multiverses.

01:21:12.000 Are we out of juice?

01:21:14.000 Does this thing just devour bubble juice? 1.00

01:21:16.000 Dude, we got run out of fucking bubbles. 0.99

01:21:18.000 We ran out of bubbles right when you were about to talk about the multiverse. 0.99

01:21:21.000 Look at the rays coming off that thing.

01:21:23.000 I mean, what is that?

01:21:24.000 Is that what that is?

01:21:25.000 Are those solar rays? 0.98

01:21:27.000 What the fuck is that coming off of that thing? 0.98

01:21:29.000 Those are called Zeitgar spirals. 1.00

01:21:38.000 Those look like they'll fuck you up, man. 1.00

01:21:40.000 Yeah, they're deadly. 0.99

01:21:41.000 They're definitely one of the most dangerous things in space.

01:21:44.000 You know, that's what Robert Schock, the geologist from Boston University, thinks ended the Ice Age.

01:21:49.000 His theory is that it was a mass coronal ejection that caused lightning storms, like rain coming down, but lightning all over the earth.

01:21:58.000 It's a very common fear in preppers.

01:22:00.000 Do you watch preppers?

01:22:02.000 I've watched it a couple times, but it freaks me out.

01:22:05.000 Everybody's got a reason, like, I'm building this shelter because I'm afraid of hurricanes!

01:22:09.000 But, yeah, you hear like...

01:22:10.000 Just the liberals, the hurricanes, alligators.

01:22:13.000 The sun comes up a lot.

01:22:14.000 It should.

01:22:15.000 Well, I mean...

01:22:17.000 Look, we can only exist in a very narrow temperature band.

01:22:21.000 That's what you have to think is strange.

01:22:23.000 We have a temperature band.

01:22:24.000 What is it? 0.95

01:22:25.000 It's from like fucking 20 below zero to like 150. That's all we got. 0.98

01:22:31.000 Yeah.

01:22:31.000 We got this weird little spot.

01:22:33.000 Did this piece of shit die already? 1.00

01:22:36.000 God damn it. 1.00

01:22:39.000 How much juice does it use? 1.00

01:22:41.000 Well, it's got a little observatory in here.

01:22:43.000 Not observatory.

01:22:44.000 What's happening?

01:22:45.000 It's spreading!

01:22:47.000 It's got a tiny solar observatory in it.

01:22:49.000 It's getting shut down.

01:22:51.000 It's, um...

01:22:53.000 You know, the narrow band that we can live in, we're so fragile as an organism that we should be terrified of this giant nuclear explosion that's a million times bigger than the earth.

01:23:03.000 Sure.

01:23:04.000 That we need to stay stable.

01:23:05.000 We need to keep, I mean, imagine relying on that thing to make sure the temperature is in like a range of plus or minus 100 degrees. 0.99

01:23:14.000 Like what the fuck are you talking about? 0.99

01:23:17.000 That's crazy! 1.00

01:23:18.000 That's a crazy request!

01:23:20.000 Well, this is like, you know, I don't believe it, man, but I love Hollow Earth Theory.

01:23:25.000 Here we go.

01:23:25.000 Oh, yeah, baby.

01:23:27.000 Bubbles.

01:23:28.000 If aliens were watching us, like terrestrial aliens, not interdimensional aliens, important to make the distinction.

01:23:35.000 If terrestrial aliens are watching us... 0.99

01:23:38.000 I think they would be like, what the fuck is wrong with you? 0.99

01:23:40.000 Y'all live on the outside of the thing? 0.99

01:23:43.000 You gotta go in.

01:23:45.000 Why?

01:23:45.000 Like, don't...

01:23:45.000 Because mountains fall out of the sky.

01:23:47.000 You're gonna build your whole...

01:23:48.000 Yeah, but the inside collapses.

01:23:50.000 Well, I'm saying, like, if you dig deep enough, maybe there's a way.

01:23:53.000 There's no air down there.

01:23:54.000 Well, that's...

01:23:58.000 I mean it is, when you think about it, it's like we've built this fragile civilization using this super advanced, brand new, interconnective, technological matrix that is dependent on satellites giving GPS coordinates to keep everything running and we're right next to a ball of fire that has historically, 0.86

01:24:21.000 from time to time, blasted so much fucking crazy shit at our planet There was a time that it caused like telegram wires to spark. 0.98

01:24:30.000 It's like if that shit hits the satellites, they're gonna go out. 1.00

01:24:35.000 Oh, the power grid goes down. 1.00

01:24:36.000 And everything goes down.

01:24:37.000 It's not conspiracy theory.

01:24:38.000 It's happened.

01:24:39.000 And sometimes it cools down and it enters into a thing called a grand solar minimum, I think is what it's called.

01:24:47.000 And that sometimes starts ice ages.

01:24:50.000 Like there was a mini ice age that happened.

01:24:53.000 Not that long ago, where the sun, theoretically, just, I don't know, it stopped being so active.

01:25:00.000 And then...

01:25:00.000 1790. 1790. Yeah, yeah.

01:25:04.000 And that, so, this is, like, a reality that nobody seems to really, like, think about.

01:25:11.000 I mean, that, to me, is the funniest thing when everyone's fighting each other.

01:25:14.000 We're all, like... 0.99

01:25:15.000 Furious at whoever the fuck. 0.99

01:25:18.000 It's like nobody wants to accept, like, mountains fall out of the sky, the sun from time to time burps fire so bright that it causes fires to break out on the planet, and then all the other shit we don't know about. 0.99

01:25:32.000 You know, just the stuff we don't know about.

01:25:34.000 Like, that if we could talk to an...

01:25:36.000 Yeah.

01:25:38.000 1,200 foot asteroid could crash into Earth because NASA missed this small detail.

01:25:44.000 Oh, Jesus Christ.

01:25:44.000 Less than a week old story.

01:25:46.000 Jesus Christ.

01:25:47.000 I don't need to see this. 0.99

01:25:48.000 NASA fucked up? 0.99

01:25:50.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:25:50.000 Well, they haven't been getting any money, Jamie. 0.98

01:25:53.000 You think that's why?

01:25:54.000 Yes.

01:25:55.000 Trump has diverted all the funds to the Space Force.

01:25:57.000 No, the truth is they...

01:25:59.000 Yeah.

01:26:02.000 Yeah, I mean, would they even tell us?

01:26:04.000 I mean, that's the thing.

01:26:05.000 No, no.

01:26:06.000 You don't think?

01:26:07.000 No.

01:26:07.000 Let it hit.

01:26:08.000 You don't think they'd be like...

01:26:09.000 Live your life.

01:26:10.000 No, what are you going to do?

01:26:10.000 They wouldn't warn us?

01:26:11.000 It's going to hit.

01:26:12.000 It's going to hit.

01:26:12.000 You know, Neil deGrasse Tyson says we're like decades away from being able to divert it.

01:26:17.000 Decades?

01:26:18.000 Decades.

01:26:19.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:26:20.000 Yeah, if something's coming our way, some civilization ender, we're fucked. 0.99

01:26:24.000 And this is not conspiracy theory, folks. 0.99

01:26:27.000 There was an article today that I put on my Twitter that I read about hyenas.

01:26:32.000 They used to have hyenas in Canada up until the last Ice Age. 1.00

01:26:36.000 There's hyenas in fucking Canada, dude. 0.99

01:26:40.000 Like, this whole thing changes all the time. 0.99

01:26:42.000 There was a mile-high sheet of ice up there.

01:26:45.000 Two miles high in some places.

01:26:47.000 That's right.

01:26:47.000 I was just in Chicago, man, and you look out at the lake, Lake Michigan, which is amazing.

01:26:52.000 You look at it from Chicago, you go, whoa, whoa, whoa, that was a fucking glacier. 0.98

01:26:57.000 That was an ice sheet that melted. 0.99

01:27:00.000 That's how it got there.

01:27:01.000 That's the remnants of the melted ice sheets. 0.99

01:27:05.000 The whole fucking thing was under ice. 0.99

01:27:08.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:27:08.000 Dude, there's a place in Wisconsin where my friend Doug has a farm, Cazenovia, Wisconsin, that's a part of what they call the driftless area. 0.99

01:27:16.000 And the driftless area is the places where these glaciers didn't come down and crush flat everything in front of them.

01:27:25.000 That's why you go to the Midwest. 0.98

01:27:27.000 It's fucking flat. 0.99

01:27:29.000 Flat as this table. 0.99

01:27:30.000 Why is that? 1.00

01:27:31.000 Because the fucking glaciers came down and just smushed that motherfucker. 1.00

01:27:37.000 That's how it came down. 1.00

01:27:38.000 This giant, mile-high wall of ice just destroys everything in front of it as it rolls across the landscape.

01:27:48.000 But it didn't hit this one area of Wisconsin.

01:27:51.000 Or it didn't hit it as hard.

01:27:53.000 Because you've got all these beautiful hills and valleys.

01:27:55.000 It's pretty dope.

01:27:56.000 Whoa! 0.71

01:27:57.000 That's beautiful! 1.00

01:27:59.000 Holy shit. 1.00

01:28:00.000 Isn't that crazy, man? 1.00

01:28:01.000 It's crazy.

01:28:01.000 That happened 12,000 years ago.

01:28:04.000 Right?

01:28:05.000 So we're not talking about something that's a long time ago. 0.99

01:28:08.000 And then, boom, that shit melts and becomes an interior freshwater ocean. 0.99

01:28:13.000 It's essentially what it is. 0.99

01:28:15.000 Dude, it's like our entire civilization is living the way like a middle-aged alcoholic who's starting to realize all the trouble they cause lives, but still gonna keep drinking kind of like...

01:28:29.000 It's like, if you look at like our whole species...

01:28:32.000 as one thing it's like right now we're dealing with like the same thing maybe smokers deal with after a lifetime of smoking like suddenly health effects are starting to happen right we've had like a a nice run but now we're starting to get a little bit of payback for all the decisions past generations have made we've got radiation pouring into the ocean the ice caps are melting and then on top of that The majority of us can't deal with that.

01:29:01.000 We either say fake news or we say, I'm going to be dead anyway, man.

01:29:06.000 Those are the two things. 0.95

01:29:08.000 Because to me, the fucking amazing thing about being a human is that we are like a technological hive that has built itself around a planet using the materials of the planet to make technology. 0.96

01:29:21.000 And we're still at the point of hive life where we're pretending there's different... 0.99

01:29:26.000 Bees! 1.00

01:29:27.000 When we're all the same fucking bee! 0.99

01:29:29.000 You know, it's just some of us are running weird operating systems and we can't accept the fact that it's like, listen, we're a fucking hive of super-vance primates that are all living together in a hive. 0.99

01:29:42.000 Because that's the overview effect, man, where astronauts talk about flying over and looking down. 0.66

01:29:48.000 It's like, it's all the same.

01:29:49.000 The cities are mostly all the same.

01:29:51.000 And all the structures all look pretty much the same. 1.00

01:29:54.000 Of course, it's a fucking hive. 1.00

01:29:56.000 A schizophrenic hive. 1.00

01:29:57.000 Where pieces of the hive are like, yeah, over there! 0.99

01:30:01.000 We gotta bomb that part of the hive! 0.73

01:30:03.000 Because that part of the hive is different than us. 0.98

01:30:05.000 So that part of the hive wants to hurt us.

01:30:07.000 You know, pheromones being released, you know, not by queen bees, but by influencers.

01:30:14.000 You know, like the news, the media, blasting out this data pheromone that gets us ready for the wars, gets us ready for the violence, tries to justify it, rationalize it.

01:30:25.000 And then there's other weird new, like, little mini queen bees popping up, releasing weird pheromones.

01:30:32.000 The influencers, you know, they're like...

01:30:34.000 I think we're good to go. 1.00

01:30:55.000 Epiphany as an individual, I mean, we're probably fucked. 0.90

01:30:59.000 Like, we figured out how to split the atom, and we've got the technology as it's coming in is making the ability – It's like – I'm sorry. 0.85

01:31:08.000 Please, go ahead.

01:31:10.000 Collectively, we kind of know.

01:31:13.000 But it's very difficult for everybody to act.

01:31:16.000 Yeah.

01:31:17.000 Right?

01:31:17.000 Collectively, we kind of know that we can't do things the way we're doing, but they're going to do it.

01:31:21.000 What are we going to do?

01:31:22.000 Oh, he's going to drive that truck with the smoke coming out of the back. 1.00

01:31:25.000 Well, fuck it. 1.00

01:31:26.000 I don't want to fix that. 1.00

01:31:27.000 What am I going to do about this?

01:31:28.000 What do I do?

01:31:30.000 What do we do?

01:31:30.000 Who's in charge and what do we do?

01:31:33.000 You're asking me?

01:31:34.000 No, anybody.

01:31:35.000 Nobody has the answer to that.

01:31:37.000 Yeah, I think you gotta, like, get pragmatic.

01:31:40.000 I mean, there's that thing Jean-Paul Sartre said, and I'm not...

01:31:44.000 Jean-Paul Sartre once said, but it has stuck with me ever since I heard it, which is, whatever you do, you give the planet permission to do.

01:31:51.000 You give everyone permission to do. 0.95

01:31:53.000 So, to me, what's helped me, like, live a little less in a crazy, like, asshole way, I mean, aside from having a baby, is... 0.99

01:32:06.000 Realizing that, oh, if I can't stop, you know, using as much plastic as I do, the world's fucked. 0.99

01:32:14.000 If I can't stop any kind of activity that I look into the world and think, man, why are people doing that? 0.99

01:32:22.000 Then the world is fucked. 1.00

01:32:23.000 Because if you, you know that, fuck, I'm sorry, man. 1.00

01:32:26.000 Can I rant about a quick story? 1.00

01:32:28.000 Do you mind?

01:32:28.000 I'm sorry.

01:32:29.000 You know that Gandhi story?

01:32:30.000 Which one?

01:32:32.000 The one about this...

01:32:33.000 Who knows?

01:32:34.000 It could be fake news.

01:32:35.000 I don't care.

01:32:35.000 It's a parable.

01:32:36.000 It's cool.

01:32:36.000 But this woman brings her kid to Gandhi and says, I can't get him to stop eating sugar.

01:32:45.000 And Gandhi says, come back in a month.

01:32:48.000 And she's like, all right.

01:32:50.000 Comes back in a month and Gandhi looks at the kid and goes, stop eating sugar.

01:32:54.000 And she's like, why did you wait a month for this?

01:32:57.000 And Gandhi's like, well...

01:33:00.000 I wanted to see if I could stop eating sugar first.

01:33:02.000 And, you know, before I'm like, yeah, yeah.

01:33:06.000 So it's like, to me, yeah, it's cool, right?

01:33:10.000 There's a listlessness in the world because everyone wants to be heroic.

01:33:15.000 But people are wanting to act on the global stage while neglecting their home, their family, themselves.

01:33:23.000 And it's frustrating, because why wouldn't you think that?

01:33:26.000 Because it seems like you're seeing the big, big scale of things.

01:33:31.000 But it's like, personally, when I fucking finally clicked, man, I can't change anybody else.

01:33:37.000 Like, I'm not going to make anyone do anything. 0.92

01:33:41.000 I'm not going to make anyone meditate.

01:33:43.000 I'm not going to make anyone do this or that or do anything because everyone's doing their own trip anyway, man. 0.98

01:33:48.000 Who the fuck am I to say? 0.97

01:33:49.000 What a relief. 0.99

01:33:51.000 But that's part of the problem, right?

01:33:52.000 Is that people are trying to get people to behave a certain way.

01:33:55.000 We're experiencing a lot of that right now.

01:33:58.000 Yes!

01:33:59.000 Yes, man.

01:34:00.000 And it's like, the thing is, the impulse is noble. 0.98

01:34:03.000 But unfortunately, it's like trying to build a fucking second story house when you haven't built the first story. 0.96

01:34:10.000 Which is like, you need to, like, get your own house in order. 0.98

01:34:15.000 And then maybe there's some teaching, but usually by the time that happens, you're not a talker, you know?

01:34:23.000 And so, to me, that has been, like, a real exciting thing to realize.

01:34:30.000 Jack Kornfield says this – I'm sorry if I've said this before – tend to the part of the garden you can touch.

01:34:36.000 And that's it.

01:34:38.000 So, it's like – To me, it's just a big relief. 0.99

01:34:41.000 Number one, you can't do shit for anybody else but yourself. 0.97

01:34:45.000 Number two, you don't need, none of us know, we don't have to impose some moral thing on you, but there is one actionable thing, an action anyone can take, which is amoral, which is find out who you are. 0.99

01:35:03.000 That's it.

01:35:04.000 Find out who you are.

01:35:05.000 Who are you really?

01:35:07.000 What are you? 1.00

01:35:08.000 Explore that shit. 1.00

01:35:09.000 And then see how you start changing. 1.00

01:35:11.000 I think that's a real pragmatic solution to all this stuff.

01:35:16.000 And actionable, too.

01:35:18.000 And it's like, you want to find out who you are? 1.00

01:35:20.000 By rubbing mayonnaise all over your dick and letting your dog lick it off. 1.00

01:35:25.000 If that's a true exploration, go ahead. 1.00

01:35:27.000 Work for me.

01:35:28.000 I'm enlightened now.

01:35:30.000 I'm just kidding.

01:35:31.000 Speaking of which, OJ's on Twitter. 1.00

01:35:33.000 I saw that shit. 0.99

01:35:34.000 Do you see that one guy who made a parody video of his welcome Twitter world? 1.00

01:35:40.000 He made this weird dad...

01:35:42.000 Video.

01:35:43.000 It's so strangely...

01:35:46.000 What's the word?

01:35:47.000 Apocalyptic?

01:35:48.000 No.

01:35:49.000 Disingenuous.

01:35:50.000 Strangely disingenuous.

01:35:52.000 I thought it was a deep fake.

01:35:53.000 Like he's acting again, but he hasn't acted in forever.

01:35:58.000 And also maybe he's suffering...

01:36:10.000 Yeah.

01:36:16.000 I see it in people I don't want to see it in, and it's scary.

01:36:19.000 And we all talk about it.

01:36:20.000 Like, people that work for the UFC, fighters, trainers, just people who do kickboxing.

01:36:27.000 Everyone talks about seeing certain folks starting to slip.

01:36:31.000 And some folks will start to talk about it about themselves, you know, that they're having a problem.

01:36:35.000 That's what I got when I was listening to that.

01:36:38.000 It's like, hello, Twitter world.

01:36:39.000 All right.

01:36:40.000 I didn't pick that up.

01:36:41.000 It's OJ Simpson.

01:36:42.000 I can dispel some of the BS that people have been saying about me with no accountability.

01:36:50.000 Plus, I'm going to talk about sports and politics.

01:36:53.000 It's like this weird acting job that he did.

01:36:57.000 It's creepy, man.

01:36:59.000 It was weird.

01:37:00.000 All that...

01:37:01.000 Yeah, it was a weird moment, man. 0.96

01:37:04.000 That's a cool, that thing that happens to people who have, like, done shitty things, where instead of just saying, like, yeah, I fucked up. 0.80

01:37:15.000 Oh, you can't say that. 0.94

01:37:16.000 You can't say, yeah, I killed somebody, right? 0.99

01:37:19.000 Well, you can, but if you do that, you're going to suddenly, and it'll be, I think for anybody who's done shitty things, the moment you just say it, you get to be standing again on the real ground, like the real terrain, instead of like the bullshit. 0.91

01:37:36.000 You've been living in, but when you decide not to do that, then you do have this, like, it's like the Uncanny Valley.

01:37:43.000 Like, you have this, like, android quality to you because you're not reflecting reality.

01:37:48.000 You're reflecting reality after you put lipstick on it and sunglasses and combed its hair.

01:37:53.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:37:53.000 Put some perfume on it, got a nose job, got its ass, got ass implants, and that's your fucking reality is this super plastic, like someone who's been getting plastic surgery for years. 1.00

01:38:04.000 And so you're pretending that that's your existence. 1.00

01:38:07.000 You see it, man, when people are getting sentenced for killing people, and they're like, the look on their fucking face is like... 0.98

01:38:17.000 So confused because they have created this valley in between that person and the person they are. 0.98

01:38:25.000 They've split in half, essentially, and they can't deal with it.

01:38:29.000 That's why so many people who have murdered people will say, I wasn't there.

01:38:33.000 I don't remember.

01:38:34.000 It was a dream.

01:38:35.000 I didn't know.

01:38:37.000 I didn't do it.

01:38:38.000 And Gacy, I should be sentenced for running a funeral home without a license. 1.00

01:38:45.000 He was saying when he was out of town, people were burying dead kid bodies under his fucking house. 1.00

01:38:50.000 You know? 1.00

01:38:51.000 And he meant it!

01:38:52.000 He meant it!

01:38:52.000 He tricked himself enough.

01:38:54.000 Really?

01:38:55.000 Absolutely. 1.00

01:38:56.000 Because otherwise you have to deal with the fact that you are a murderer, that you killed fucking, you strangled fucking kids, that you dressed like a fucking clown, you know, and like killed kids. 1.00

01:39:10.000 Like, it's so unpalatable to deal with that shit. 1.00

01:39:14.000 Because you're just a crazy lunatic who is out of control. 1.00

01:39:17.000 So you'd rather make up a story. 1.00

01:39:19.000 Usually it's conspiratorial.

01:39:21.000 Somebody's like, hey man, you know where you can bury those kid bodies?

01:39:25.000 I think Gacy's out of town.

01:39:27.000 Jesus Christ.

01:39:28.000 Yeah, man. 0.99

01:39:29.000 Isn't that fucking crazy? 1.00

01:39:30.000 It's fucking crazy. 1.00

01:39:31.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:39:33.000 Jesus Christ.

01:39:34.000 I know.

01:39:35.000 That's what people have always said about OJ. It's almost like he doesn't even believe he did it now.

01:39:40.000 But the problem with that is there was a fucking emoji that he tweeted at this guy. 0.99

01:39:46.000 He had a direct message with this guy and he had like 16 knives and he said he's going to cut them. 0.99

01:39:52.000 Like, if that's true, if he really did send that, if it's not Photoshop, that's not bullshit. 0.92

01:39:58.000 Can you imagine getting a DM from OJ because you made a parody video? 0.88

01:40:02.000 Jesus God.

01:40:03.000 Because, like, guess what he did was he put OJ's video where he was talking, and in the background he had someone screaming, help, call the police, help, help.

01:40:14.000 And so then OJ sends him this direct message, allegedly.

01:40:17.000 Who knows if it really happened?

01:40:18.000 Who knows?

01:40:19.000 But if it did? 0.99

01:40:21.000 Dude, I would fucking... 0.99

01:40:22.000 I would, like, find a cave somewhere. 0.99

01:40:24.000 I would want to move to the Himalayas.

01:40:26.000 I couldn't deal with it, man.

01:40:28.000 Hello, Twitter world.

01:40:29.000 I'm just, you know, because he could get you.

01:40:31.000 Like, he could get you if he wanted to, I bet.

01:40:33.000 Maybe.

01:40:34.000 Yeah, I mean, how much time do you have left?

01:40:35.000 He's 71 years old.

01:40:36.000 After he DMs you, he disappears.

01:40:38.000 You know, people are like, we don't know where he is.

01:40:40.000 Norm MacDonald tweeted at him.

01:40:42.000 It's hilarious.

01:40:42.000 Norm said, hey, Juice, I just wanted to tell you that through that video, I know the golf course that's behind you, so I could figure out where your house is, and I wouldn't do that, but somebody else might.

01:40:53.000 Yeah, that was hilarious.

01:40:56.000 Norm Macdonald's so funny.

01:40:57.000 He's the best.

01:40:58.000 I'm trying to get him to do a podcast.

01:41:00.000 I was trying to get him and Adam Eget to do a podcast.

01:41:02.000 I don't know what he can do, though, while he's got his Netflix deal.

01:41:06.000 I don't think his show is...

01:41:07.000 I don't know where it's at.

01:41:09.000 I don't know if he has a contract.

01:41:12.000 But he should do a podcast. 0.98

01:41:13.000 It's a goddamn national travesty that he doesn't have a podcast. 0.99

01:41:17.000 He's so fucking funny. 0.99

01:41:19.000 Well, isn't his show kind of like a podcast? 0.98

01:41:22.000 Like, it has that...

01:41:23.000 Yeah, but he hasn't been doing it.

01:41:24.000 Oh.

01:41:25.000 And they don't want him doing interviews and stuff.

01:41:26.000 It's a little tricky. 0.99

01:41:28.000 Because he said some crazy shit. 1.00

01:41:29.000 You know, Norm says crazy shit. 1.00

01:41:31.000 And he said some crazy shit, like, about someone saying something, well, you believe that, you'd have to have Down syndrome. 1.00

01:41:39.000 Like, he thought that would be better than saying you'd have to be retarded. 1.00

01:41:45.000 And people were like, what the fuck? 1.00

01:41:47.000 And people got real mad at him. 1.00

01:41:48.000 I think it was on the Stern show.

01:41:50.000 He's just a treasure, that guy.

01:41:54.000 Joe, I'm sorry to like...

01:41:57.000 I thought...

01:41:58.000 I had all these questions for you, man.

01:42:00.000 I was like, that's lame to ask my questions on their show.

01:42:02.000 And it's not in the moment like we often do.

01:42:03.000 But I really...

01:42:05.000 I know you've probably been talking about it.

01:42:07.000 But I wanted to hear your take on deepfake. 0.99

01:42:11.000 Because that fucking deepfake of you really bothered me. 0.99

01:42:15.000 It set off a whole series of thoughts in my head. 1.00

01:42:20.000 Of all the futuristic shit... 0.99

01:42:23.000 That freaks me out the most. 0.99

01:42:25.000 Well, for someone like you or someone like me, it's easy for them to do it because they basically got a library of all the sounds that we can make with our mouth.

01:42:32.000 And so they put it in a database and then they can get you to say words you've never said before in an order that you've never said them before in a way that you can kind of distinguish.

01:42:41.000 For now, I kind of can hear that it's fake, but it was me talking about sponsoring a hockey team filled with all chimpanzees.

01:42:49.000 Yeah.

01:42:49.000 And teaching chimps to play hockey, which sounds exactly like something I would do.

01:42:53.000 And it's close.

01:42:57.000 I mean, they had one a few years ago that they did with Ronald Reagan, where they had a fake speech.

01:43:03.000 And this was way, way before the internet.

01:43:07.000 And someone had pieced together a fake...

01:43:13.000 collaboration of a bunch of different Ronald Reagan speeches and then used them with sound editing and turned it into a whole statement that he never gave before and then the White House went on television and showed how they did it and showed on the news all the different speeches that they pulled from and the actual sentences where they pulled from they showed it to you so there could be no denying someone I forget what it was Maybe it was the Russians.

01:43:40.000 Was it the Russians? 0.97

01:43:41.000 Of course.

01:43:43.000 Someone had done that.

01:43:44.000 I don't know.

01:43:45.000 I don't know who did it.

01:43:47.000 The Iranians. 0.96

01:43:49.000 But it was interesting, because I was like, oh, wow, they can do that?

01:43:52.000 But I thought, you know, think about how many times Ronald Reagan has given speeches.

01:43:56.000 You just take, listen, someone with painstaking detail, mark down all the words in those speeches, put them all in some sort of a...

01:44:03.000 Multi-loop, because you have to go to Phil Spector's house.

01:44:07.000 They have the old school reel-to-reel sound recorders. 0.98

01:44:11.000 Piece that shit together, splice it up, and then release it. 0.99

01:44:16.000 Pretend that Ronald Reagan is trying to start a war with Iran or something like that. 1.00

01:44:19.000 Yeah, man.

01:44:20.000 I forget what it was.

01:44:20.000 Do you remember the premise?

01:44:21.000 No, I don't remember the premise of that.

01:44:23.000 Do you remember the recording?

01:44:26.000 I kind of remember it, but it's a foggy memory, man.

01:44:31.000 It's pretty wild.

01:44:32.000 But this is like... 0.99

01:44:35.000 To me, fuck the sun and all the things to worry about. 1.00

01:44:39.000 This shit is really intense, man. 1.00

01:44:41.000 Like, you know about the hostage, the fucking weird hostage phone thing people are doing where they're like, you get a phone call from the phone number of your wife and you answer it and it's like, we've kidnapped your wife. 1.00

01:44:55.000 You know, it's someone freaking out in the background. 0.99

01:44:58.000 They're like, send us money, or she's fucked. 1.00

01:45:01.000 And like, they've been, right now what they've been doing is they've been, you know, someone will say, let me talk to her. 0.99

01:45:07.000 And they just hand it to some lady. 1.00

01:45:09.000 Who's like, I didn't fucking have that! 0.98

01:45:11.000 And you think, oh my god, it's her. 0.99

01:45:12.000 I'll give you whatever you want.

01:45:14.000 People have been sending them money, you know?

01:45:16.000 And, like, when you consider, like, what happens when deepfake technology intersects with just the ability to, like, call people from spoofed numbers, and that suddenly, if someone gets your phone number list, they're going to be able to call your friends as you.

01:45:32.000 And record conversations as they sort of dredge up, you know, who knows, whatever they want.

01:45:38.000 Maybe they want to blackmail you.

01:45:39.000 Maybe they want to get money.

01:45:40.000 Maybe they want to embarrass you.

01:45:42.000 That, to me, is like so spectacularly fucking weird that we're going to end up having to have passwords that we tell each other away from our Lexus, which is like, listen, if I call you and I'm seeming strange...

01:45:58.000 You know, the password is like, go for 69. Otherwise, it's not me. 0.62

01:46:03.000 You know?

01:46:04.000 Because that's a reality. 0.97

01:46:06.000 I mean, just look what people are already fucking doing with spoofing numbers. 1.00

01:46:10.000 That's fucked up, man. 0.99

01:46:11.000 And like, that aspect of it, and also just like supply and demand. 0.99

01:46:16.000 In other words, there's one Joe Rogan, right?

01:46:18.000 Right now.

01:46:19.000 But if an AI starts duplicating you, And improving on you?

01:46:24.000 Like, and I'm saying, you know, five or ten years.

01:46:26.000 No offense, man, but maybe an AI could, like, turn you twice as smart, you know, make you, like, whatever.

01:46:32.000 Who knows what?

01:46:33.000 And then suddenly, you're no longer in demand in the sense that once the Joe Rogan AI package goes on the dark web or makes its way into wherever, people are going to just be able to download you and have conversations with you and make videos.

01:46:49.000 You know what I... That, to me, is the...

01:46:51.000 One of the most bizarre realities that we are entering into is one where you're going to go on YouTube and there's going to be a video of you Looks like you, sounds like you, but it's like 50 times funnier than you, 50 times cooler than you, 50 times smarter than you,

01:47:07.000 because it's an AI pulling from the internet.

01:47:10.000 It's just you, but better.

01:47:11.000 And no one's going to want to watch you anymore, because they're like, I love the real Rogan, but I want to watch the Rogan whose brain is functioning 50 times the speed of a normal human brain, because that guy, wow!

01:47:24.000 That's how they're going to take over.

01:47:25.000 Make us all obsolete.

01:47:27.000 Better versions of all of us.

01:47:29.000 They're going to be like Invasion of the Body Snatchers. 0.84

01:47:32.000 Yeah, that's right.

01:47:33.000 That's right, man.

01:47:34.000 And that's not...

01:47:35.000 Let's say it's 20 years away. 0.91

01:47:38.000 That's still too fucking soon.

01:47:40.000 Let's say it's 100. Let's go crazy. 0.98

01:47:43.000 Yeah, we're going to be basically like sort of drowned out by multiple versions of ourself with exponential intelligence.

01:47:51.000 Well, that was my concern when I was talking to Kurzweil about downloading your consciousness into a computer.

01:47:56.000 I'm like, what's to stop you from making multiple copies?

01:47:59.000 If you can make one copy?

01:48:00.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:48:01.000 Like, what's to stop you from being like, tell me some fat guy with a little dick who's a real asshole... 1.00

01:48:10.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:48:13.000 Yeah.

01:48:24.000 Yeah.

01:48:25.000 Because he's figured out how to hack into the grid and take over.

01:48:28.000 Imagine you think you're going to be in heaven.

01:48:30.000 You're going to enter into this virtual reality. 0.97

01:48:33.000 But look, you're going to get to fly dragons and have sex with beautiful women and eat fruit. 1.00

01:48:38.000 And this fat guy with a little dick, he hacks the system and then everybody's going to suck his dick. 1.00

01:48:43.000 And everywhere you go is a version of him is trying to get you to suck his dick. 1.00

01:48:47.000 Come on! 1.00

01:48:48.000 He's fucking people's ears. 1.00

01:48:49.000 He's holding people down. 1.00

01:48:51.000 Five, six of them on a person. 1.00

01:48:52.000 Just fucking you from every angle. 1.00

01:48:55.000 That's what he created. 1.00

01:48:57.000 I mean, that's what a computer virus is. 0.99

01:48:59.000 It's fucking everybody, right? 0.97

01:49:00.000 If you think about that, there's a lot of viruses. 0.99

01:49:03.000 I don't know what percentage of viruses, Jamie, you would know this, are not financially motivated. 0.98

01:49:10.000 There's got to be some viruses that people create just to fuck people. 0.98

01:49:14.000 Sure. 0.99

01:49:15.000 Right?

01:49:15.000 In the old days, for sure, man.

01:49:17.000 I mean, I think...

01:49:17.000 Yeah.

01:49:18.000 Yeah, they were just there to fuck up your... 0.96

01:49:19.000 To freeze your computer. 1.00

01:49:21.000 Fuck up your... 1.00

01:49:22.000 They didn't... 1.00

01:49:22.000 They weren't worm. 1.00

01:49:23.000 They weren't grabbing data to use it against you.

01:49:25.000 They were just like... 0.99

01:49:26.000 You know, shutting your computer down to be a dick. 0.98

01:49:29.000 Or making it say weird things. 0.98

01:49:31.000 Like, you know, real basic.

01:49:32.000 The old viruses in the days of AOL. Remember those, man?

01:49:35.000 They were cool.

01:49:36.000 They were, like, scary, but not like today where they, like, shut down the power grid until you send somebody a million dollars worth of Bitcoin.

01:49:43.000 Or you have to completely remap your hard drive, completely re-upload your operating system.

01:49:50.000 It just kills...

01:49:50.000 The only way, you gotta kill the operating system.

01:49:54.000 Swipe it clean.

01:49:55.000 Start from scratch.

01:49:56.000 Sorry.

01:49:57.000 It's all cooked.

01:49:58.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:49:59.000 All your work, fuck off. 1.00

01:50:01.000 Gone. 1.00

01:50:01.000 Gone, man. 1.00

01:50:02.000 Just like this fat guy with a little dick. 1.00

01:50:04.000 Fat guy with a little... 1.00

01:50:06.000 Hundreds of them. 1.00

01:50:07.000 A sea of them running at you, pulling on their half-heart dicks. 1.00

01:50:11.000 Well... 0.98

01:50:12.000 There's a story going around this weekend about Samsung TVs having viruses in them and you being able to scan it for a virus.

01:50:18.000 There's like a program on it that allows you to scan for viruses and then, I guess today, Samsung deleted that tweet.

01:50:23.000 Oh, great.

01:50:24.000 Jesus.

01:50:24.000 People were pointing back to this being like the Weeping Angel program where the CIA can use your TV to listen to your conversations and they are doing that and they're recording it.

01:50:32.000 Weeping Angel!

01:50:34.000 What a great name. 0.99

01:50:35.000 Why doesn't the CIA start naming the fucking Navy UFOs weeping angel? 0.99

01:50:41.000 Why do they call it that? 0.99

01:50:42.000 Why do they call it that?

01:50:43.000 What is that?

01:50:43.000 Why do they have to bring angels?

01:50:46.000 Is that Satan?

01:50:47.000 Is Satan a weeping angel?

01:50:48.000 Is that what they're saying? 1.00

01:50:49.000 Like, what the fuck is that? 0.99

01:50:51.000 Weeping angel. 0.99

01:50:52.000 That's weird, man. 0.99

01:50:54.000 That's fucking weird. 0.97

01:50:55.000 But like... 0.99

01:50:56.000 You know, the implication that they, in your deep fake, that they sent out to the world was it already happened.

01:51:03.000 You know, they're like, how do you know this hasn't already happened?

01:51:05.000 In other words, like, how do we know we're not duplicates?

01:51:08.000 How do we know we're not one of an infinite number, an array of, like, you know, versions of us that are being populated all over some server somewhere?

01:51:20.000 Could be.

01:51:21.000 Well, that's the thing about the simulation theory is that one day we – if things keep going the way they are – I was going to bring this up when we were talking about people like looking at cities and looking at the grids and looking at the hive.

01:51:34.000 Like what are these cities doing?

01:51:36.000 Well, they're spreading and they're being productive.

01:51:38.000 They're making things and they're making better things all the time.

01:51:41.000 Well, if they're making better things all the time, what are they interested in?

01:51:44.000 Well, they're interested in computers and CGI and artificial intelligence and artificial life.

01:51:49.000 And they're all definitely moving in some sort of a greater technological dependency.

01:51:57.000 Like, we're pretty dependent now, but it's going to get greater and greater.

01:52:00.000 We get more and more.

01:52:02.000 Well, one day, they're going to have...

01:52:08.000 A reality that isn't tangible in the sense that Without this system, you wouldn't be able to experience it.

01:52:17.000 But it will be a reality once you're in the system.

01:52:20.000 Once you're in the system, you will feel your elbows on the oak desk.

01:52:24.000 You will feel the sweat on your palms.

01:52:26.000 You'll feel the sunglasses on your nose.

01:52:28.000 You'll feel all those things.

01:52:29.000 So who's to say that that's not real?

01:52:31.000 Well, if that can happen one day, if they can create an artificial reality that you cannot discern from the reality that you're currently experiencing, how do you know it hasn't already happened?

01:52:40.000 You don't.

01:52:42.000 You don't. 0.82

01:52:42.000 And, you know, some super fucking smart people think that we should keep open the possibility that that is what we're operating under. 0.82

01:52:51.000 Or that the stability and the rigidity of the dimension that we exist in is not nearly as firm and not nearly as permanent as we like to think it is.

01:53:03.000 Which is one of the reasons why psychedelics is so exciting.

01:53:06.000 And so, there's so...

01:53:11.000 They're transformative, but they're also...

01:53:17.000 They illuminate the possibility of others, of other things, other dimensions, other life forms, other levels of consciousness, other ways of interacting with each other, especially mushrooms.

01:53:30.000 Well, kind of all of them.

01:53:31.000 All of them, when you take a transformative dose, you experience some weird thing where you're like, oh, this is possible too.

01:53:40.000 This is like a whole other way of existing.

01:53:42.000 Yeah.

01:53:43.000 Who's to say that if – human neurochemistry, right?

01:53:46.000 If that's what's causing depression and elation and dopamine and serotonin and all these different wonderful things, it's what causes melatonin and all these different things that happen when you're sleeping and then the psychedelic ones like the DMT. Who's to say that we have to exist with this mixture,

01:54:04.000 right?

01:54:05.000 Who's to say that life with a thicker mixture isn't also possible and might be going on around us all the time?

01:54:14.000 There might be these porous...

01:54:18.000 Sort of entryways into these other dimensions that are consistently open and closed, and they're constantly around us all the time.

01:54:26.000 But when we're just in straight normal consciousness that we experience without perturbing it with alcohol or pot or psychedelics, we want to think that this is reality.

01:54:37.000 This is rigid.

01:54:38.000 This is it.

01:54:38.000 But maybe it's a reality.

01:54:41.000 Maybe there's a fuckload of them.

01:54:44.000 Maybe when you make decisions, you enter into different ones.

01:54:48.000 Maybe you're constantly shifting the one that's around you and how you interact with people.

01:54:53.000 You mean like your decisions are the way you navigate through the multiverse?

01:54:57.000 It's entirely possible, right?

01:54:58.000 Yeah.

01:54:59.000 Yeah, man.

01:54:59.000 Even though I say that too many times.

01:55:01.000 But it is a thing if you... 0.95

01:55:04.000 If you just think about how little we understand about consciousness, about what happens when you die, what happens when you sleep, how little we know about what is going on when you're communicating with people, what is going on when you're interacting with people, where are these fucking ideas coming from?

01:55:21.000 Are these ideas little life forms in a non-observed state? 0.94

01:55:29.000 Yeah, man.

01:55:30.000 Bro, you taking off the glasses?

01:55:31.000 You getting crazy?

01:55:31.000 I just realized I don't get to look at your beautiful eyes, Joe.

01:55:34.000 I was enjoying this.

01:55:35.000 We did it for hours.

01:55:38.000 It's dark and bright in here.

01:55:40.000 But the...

01:55:41.000 You know, man, like the...

01:55:43.000 When you start...

01:55:43.000 The thing you're saying about psychedelics kind of like showing you a different way and that when you're in a base reality state, you...

01:55:49.000 People spend a lot of energy trying to imagine a solidity that isn't really there.

01:55:55.000 Yeah.

01:55:56.000 And like, you know, as I've been taught by some people, the...

01:56:02.000 You know, if you start breaking it down, just logically, like, you know, your past, for example, you know, you ever do that, spend any time with your memories, and you realize, like, well, your most vivid memory, whatever it may be, You can't really taste what you were eating or feel the euphoria that you were feeling or the fear you were feeling or whatever.

01:56:26.000 Because if you did, then the memory would not work for a person who was trying to like stay alive.

01:56:32.000 Because if you just remember the last time you got punched in the face, you would feel it.

01:56:36.000 And also, if you could remember tastes, you wouldn't be so inclined to eat because you could just go back and think to the last chocolate bar you ate and you would taste it. 0.99

01:56:45.000 Obviously, if you could remember orgasms as they are, you wouldn't really need to fuck. 0.97

01:56:50.000 You would just think about having sex whenever you had it and you would come. 0.99

01:56:53.000 You would feel like you were coming.

01:56:54.000 So, if we look at memories experientially, there's a lot of senses that aren't gratified by memory.

01:57:01.000 And also, if you look at them from the visual field, Even the most profoundly, quote, photographic memory is wavery at best.

01:57:09.000 It's not HD. It certainly wouldn't be a 4K TV. It's got a kind of, like, quality to it that is just, you know, it's a little transparent.

01:57:20.000 Yeah.

01:57:21.000 When we think about the future, obviously that doesn't exist.

01:57:25.000 Like, there's just no future.

01:57:27.000 Nothing is outside of this point in time.

01:57:29.000 And so then, now you've basically, just from a simple analysis of your memories, which a lot of people imagine that's who they are, like they're a snake.

01:57:39.000 In the present moment's the head.

01:57:41.000 In the back is the past with all their memories sort of intertwined.

01:57:45.000 But you realize, like, no, that's really a foggy approximation of what happened at best. 0.99

01:57:50.000 And you really don't remember most of the shit you did anyway. 0.97

01:57:53.000 Like, you don't remember what you ate three days ago, ten days ago. 0.98

01:57:56.000 So, then you realize your whole past, the thing you've been using to define yourself as a person, you barely remember it.

01:58:03.000 And the parts you do remember it, they're not really clear.

01:58:06.000 So, that's gone.

01:58:07.000 Now, that's death. 1.00

01:58:09.000 You're dead. 0.97

01:58:10.000 Anything that happened before this moment, that's death. 0.99

01:58:12.000 It's gone.

01:58:13.000 There's just this.

01:58:13.000 For real.

01:58:14.000 Now, there might be some neurological encoding, but there's no past.

01:58:18.000 Forget it.

01:58:18.000 That's why people like to get really good at things, you know?

01:58:22.000 Well, you mean it gives them a sense of...

01:58:24.000 Stability.

01:58:25.000 Whoa.

01:58:25.000 That's why if you have a physical skill, like say you could do gymnastics.

01:58:30.000 Do you know Chappelle Lacey?

01:58:32.000 No.

01:58:32.000 Funny up-and-coming new comic, but he was a world champion cheerleader.

01:58:37.000 Like crazy skills.

01:58:39.000 And he's jacked, built like a linebacker.

01:58:42.000 Well, no, like a, I don't know, football.

01:58:43.000 Defensive back?

01:58:44.000 Running back?

01:58:45.000 Anyway, stud.

01:58:46.000 Could do a backflip.

01:58:48.000 Just jump through the air and land.

01:58:49.000 And you're like, what? 0.99

01:58:50.000 Like, what the fuck? 1.00

01:58:52.000 Yeah, right. 1.00

01:58:52.000 When he does that, he knows that he had those experiences. 1.00

01:58:56.000 He learned how to do that.

01:58:57.000 He has a skill.

01:58:58.000 He has a very unusual skill.

01:59:00.000 Like a breakdancer. 0.96

01:59:02.000 They know they can do that crazy shit where they can hop around on one arm, with their feet up in the air crisscrossing and going into the lotus position. 0.98

01:59:09.000 How many people can do that? 0.99

01:59:10.000 They can do that.

01:59:11.000 They can do it.

01:59:11.000 That defines their existence in a way.

01:59:15.000 Because now they're not just living in the moment.

01:59:19.000 They also have knowledge that they're Chappelle. 0.89

01:59:22.000 Crazy.

01:59:23.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:59:24.000 Fucking nuts, dude. 1.00

01:59:25.000 There's one that he sent me. 1.00

01:59:26.000 I'll send it to you, Jamie, where he flips a girl through the air. 1.00

01:59:31.000 Look at that shit he can do. 0.99

01:59:32.000 Flips a girl through the air and then catches her on one hand and presses her above his head. 1.00

01:59:39.000 Crazy. 1.00

01:59:40.000 Dude, it's fucking bananas. 1.00

01:59:42.000 Bananas. 1.00

01:59:43.000 Bananas.

01:59:43.000 So he knows that he can do those things.

01:59:46.000 He knows he can do those things because he learned those things.

01:59:49.000 So those things carry him.

01:59:50.000 They define you.

01:59:52.000 They give you extra value.

01:59:54.000 You can hold on to them as a security blanket in this crazy world. 1.00

01:59:59.000 Hey, I can play the piano, motherfucker. 1.00

02:00:01.000 Let me get on that piano. 1.00

02:00:02.000 I'm going to show everybody at the party.

02:00:03.000 I'm deep, and I think things that you don't.

02:00:07.000 The party piano man!

02:00:08.000 Oh my god.

02:00:09.000 Sing us a song of the piano man.

02:00:13.000 Sing us a song tonight.

02:00:17.000 We're all in the mood for a melody.

02:00:21.000 I exist!

02:00:22.000 I exist!

02:00:23.000 I want more!

02:00:25.000 I'm real!

02:00:26.000 I'm trying to spray something out in the world that people like to smell so they'll come closer to my flowers.

02:00:33.000 That's right, man.

02:00:34.000 You deserve more, Duncan.

02:00:36.000 You can sing.

02:00:37.000 You should sing all the time, everywhere.

02:00:39.000 You should just sing.

02:00:41.000 You shouldn't even talk.

02:00:42.000 You're an angel.

02:00:43.000 The way you sing is amazing.

02:00:45.000 Well, I trained for five years.

02:00:46.000 I just like to sit around and listen to you.

02:00:48.000 Have you ever been at a party where somebody breaks out a guitar and actually sings a song like Animal House style?

02:00:53.000 Remember that scene?

02:00:55.000 That scene is amazing.

02:00:57.000 Yeah, I have...

02:00:58.000 I'm trying to remember...

02:01:00.000 I think that if that has happened, it's one of the memories...

02:01:04.000 My brain's like, we're not going to remember that.

02:01:06.000 We're not carrying that with us.

02:01:07.000 Too much.

02:01:08.000 Because it's a hostage situation, let's face it. 1.00

02:01:10.000 Once they sit down and start strumming that shit, if you're the guy who walks out... 1.00

02:01:14.000 Look at that fucking hater. 1.00

02:01:16.000 He can't play guitar. 1.00

02:01:17.000 His ego's being challenged.

02:01:19.000 When the reality is you're like, I don't want to deal with it, man.

02:01:21.000 I don't want to deal with all the levels of having to face the fact that you fired a neuron that made it seem okay that in the middle of a party where nobody was playing music, or maybe music was playing, you turned it off.

02:01:34.000 Dude, I know of a guy who in the middle of a football game paused the game to show his acting real.

02:01:42.000 What?

02:01:43.000 Well, that's just lunacy. 0.99

02:01:45.000 No, that's someone who's, like, sick. 0.91

02:01:48.000 Paused the game.

02:01:49.000 It's just a broken man or woman. 0.99

02:01:51.000 Paused the game to show an acting reel.

02:01:56.000 Shambling husk.

02:01:56.000 Look at my new reel, man.

02:01:57.000 You guys gotta check this out.

02:01:58.000 The game can wait.

02:01:59.000 Seriously, guys.

02:01:59.000 The game can wait.

02:02:00.000 He did a great job.

02:02:01.000 You're gonna get a great pleasure out of watching me fake.

02:02:06.000 Watch me fake.

02:02:06.000 Now I'm a detective.

02:02:08.000 Look at me.

02:02:08.000 I got a gun.

02:02:09.000 Psh, psh.

02:02:09.000 Dude, it's a hunger!

02:02:13.000 Because this is the...

02:02:16.000 I mean, it's like you're talking about backflips.

02:02:18.000 It's like, imagine, the self is so...

02:02:21.000 The self is so imaginary that we have to exert to the point of doing backflips to give us a sense that the self must be as we think it is.

02:02:32.000 You don't have to exert to be sitting in a chair.

02:02:36.000 Gravity does it for you.

02:02:37.000 There's no energy that needs to be exerted.

02:02:39.000 But how often do you hear someone saying, what a great day!

02:02:44.000 Isn't this a great day?

02:02:46.000 It's a great day.

02:02:47.000 It's a great day.

02:02:48.000 It's amazing.

02:02:48.000 But why are you saying it?

02:02:50.000 Like, why do you feel the need to exert this much energy to announce to me it's a great day?

02:02:57.000 Could it be that you're not quite certain it's a great day?

02:03:00.000 Could it be that there's a feeling in you that something's a little amiss, so you gotta, like, paint reality with words to make it okay?

02:03:08.000 This isn't a ghost story.

02:03:10.000 I'm not gonna die.

02:03:11.000 Is it?

02:03:12.000 Or is by saying it's a great day, are you putting out this hope that I'm going to go, wow, Duncan's such a positive guy.

02:03:21.000 He's amazing.

02:03:22.000 When he says it's a great day, I feel it is a great day.

02:03:25.000 He puts me in a better mood.

02:03:28.000 Thanks, Duncan.

02:03:29.000 Yeah. 0.95

02:03:29.000 I mean, I think if you look at, like, anytime I've done that shit, I'm too high, I'm getting paranoid, and I'm trying to get some affirmation from a friend. 0.95

02:03:38.000 You know, that's usually the feeling is one of need. 0.96

02:03:40.000 Like, you know, like when you're around someone and you realize, like...

02:03:43.000 They want me to compliment them right now.

02:03:46.000 And you feel the... 0.99

02:03:48.000 Like when they open the fucking doors on a spaceship, they temporarily open the doors of the infinite vacuum of it. 0.99

02:03:57.000 How about worse when they get upset when you don't compliment them? 1.00

02:03:59.000 Yeah.

02:04:00.000 Wow.

02:04:01.000 That's the craziest thing.

02:04:03.000 You know, Duncan, I've known you for a long time.

02:04:04.000 You've never complimented my art.

02:04:06.000 Oh, wow.

02:04:07.000 My sandcastles are my life, and you don't even say they're cool. 0.98

02:04:12.000 They're fucking great, man, okay? 0.97

02:04:14.000 Your sandcastles are incredible. 0.99

02:04:15.000 I mean, you know, it's just weird that I have to tell you.

02:04:18.000 Yeah, I know.

02:04:19.000 I'm sorry, man.

02:04:20.000 You're great.

02:04:21.000 You're real.

02:04:21.000 We worship you.

02:04:22.000 We'll worship you forever.

02:04:23.000 You'll be known forever as the great sandcastle maker.

02:04:26.000 That's the funny thing. 0.99

02:04:28.000 And also add to that the very same sort of person who is intent on getting you to acknowledge their fucking sandcastles, which is a great description of it, because no matter what you're doing, it's a fucking sandcastle. 0.99

02:04:39.000 Look at those glaciers. 0.99

02:04:41.000 Whatever you're doing, forget it. 0.75

02:04:43.000 But then you have these people who on top of this sick need for a person to affirm their existence by complimenting their ridiculous sandcastle art, they also want to leave a legacy. 0.99

02:04:56.000 That's the funniest shit! 0.99

02:04:57.000 It's like, it's not enough that we worship you now. 1.00

02:05:01.000 You want generations of people to worship you.

02:05:04.000 That's a big one for people.

02:05:05.000 Leaving a legacy.

02:05:06.000 It's a big one for artists.

02:05:08.000 Big one for athletes.

02:05:09.000 Athletes want to leave records that no one will break.

02:05:12.000 That's right.

02:05:13.000 Leave a legacy behind, man.

02:05:15.000 To me, this is like being in a dream and wanting to leave a memory of yourself in a dream.

02:05:21.000 I want the people I met in that dream, I want their kids to be talking about me after I wake up.

02:05:28.000 It's like, when you die, it's done.

02:05:32.000 We don't know exactly what's after this, but you're pretty much recycled, man.

02:05:37.000 There might be some karmic momentum, there might be some kind of like, Some residue, a trace.

02:05:41.000 You need to do it all over again.

02:05:42.000 You repeat it.

02:05:43.000 From scratch.

02:05:45.000 I've often gotten that feeling.

02:05:47.000 From one cells, two cells, three, and then you just keep doing it in infinity until you get it right.

02:05:51.000 Keep that loop going.

02:05:53.000 Keep that loop going.

02:05:54.000 We're essentially in some kind of karmic sanding mechanism.

02:05:59.000 Right, but if you like life, why wouldn't you want to do it again?

02:06:02.000 What's that?

02:06:03.000 If you like life, do you like life?

02:06:05.000 Yes.

02:06:05.000 If you found out that this was what you were going to do forever and ever and ever, and it's going to repeat itself over and over and over again, would you be like, no, it's pointless!

02:06:15.000 It's pointless now, and it's finite.

02:06:18.000 Is it different if it's pointless and it's infinite?

02:06:21.000 Is it different?

02:06:22.000 Is it different?

02:06:23.000 Don't you just enjoy life?

02:06:24.000 Is that the key?

02:06:25.000 The key to just enjoy life?

02:06:26.000 That's where it's ironic when you pick up a skill like learn to play the piano or learn to do backflips or in my case learn to do martial arts is that you actually become a better person through learning how to do something because it's hard so you learn about yourself.

02:06:40.000 Right.

02:06:42.000 Right. 0.93

02:07:04.000 It requires 100% of your focus, and in doing so, whether it's playing piano or throwing kicks or whatever the fuck it is, in doing so, you understand yourself better. 0.93

02:07:14.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:07:14.000 So even though, ironically, you're kind of defining who you are as a person, and you're giving yourself extra clout because you're the fucking man dunking a ball into a net. 0.99

02:07:27.000 I'm the fucking man. 1.00

02:07:28.000 Everybody watching? 1.00

02:07:28.000 Watch this. 1.00

02:07:29.000 Yeah.

02:07:30.000 But by doing that, you actually learn how to become a better person, too.

02:07:34.000 Because it's hard.

02:07:35.000 Because it's hard to do.

02:07:36.000 And if you can figure it out, the puzzle will help you get a better hold of all your human skills.

02:07:45.000 Because it'll be a difficult thing.

02:07:47.000 If you really want to get good at something, if you really want to leave behind a legacy, you have to achieve a level of focus and a level of intense focus.

02:07:55.000 Thinking and concentration that most people are just gonna peter out before they get to that spot.

02:08:00.000 Sure! 0.90

02:08:01.000 I mean that's what I love about what you're talking about is it's a force field In between you and an elite, like fuck the Illuminati, the force field of the learning curve separates every single person from a terrain that cannot be reached with money. 0.97

02:08:20.000 Like, I don't care how rich you are. 0.99

02:08:22.000 If you want to learn how to do a backflip, you might be able to pay for great trainers, but you still got to do the fucking work. 0.99

02:08:29.000 You got to do the work. 0.99

02:08:30.000 100%.

02:08:30.000 So this is cool, because now you enter into a realm that is inaccessible by money, is inaccessible by power, but is weirdly generally accessible by anybody.

02:08:41.000 In other words, the only thing keeping you from whatever the fucking thing is you want to get good at to show yourself that it is possible to...

02:08:50.000 Leave the reality that you're in and enter a completely different reality. 0.98

02:08:53.000 Because for me, if suddenly I was in a world where I could do fucking backflips, might as well be an alternate dimension. 0.94

02:08:59.000 Like if I got home and did a backflip in front of my wife, she would probably be more amazed than if I levitated. 0.97

02:09:07.000 You know what I mean? 0.99

02:09:08.000 She'd be like, what the fuck have you done? 0.99

02:09:11.000 Reality must be fragmenting. 0.99

02:09:13.000 So it's like, in other words, the you, wherever you're at, whatever the thing is that you are, there's always this interesting, mountainous, rugged terrain separating you. 0.85

02:09:25.000 From a completely different universe where you can do backflips, play the piano, play the guitar, whatever the fucking specific thing it is you want to pick up.

02:09:35.000 That's kind of cool to me. 0.91

02:09:36.000 It's like the only thing keeping you from it is consistency. 0.95

02:09:40.000 It's not money, usually, unless it's like you want to be a falconeer or some shit. 0.95

02:09:44.000 You got to get a falcon.

02:09:45.000 But in general, you know, you could like...

02:09:48.000 That's what I love about that Goggins, man.

02:09:51.000 I like that guy. 0.95

02:09:52.000 It's weird how much he impacts me even though I'm still not fucking But in the morning, I will look! 0.63

02:10:00.000 At one point, I thought someone was running next to him, filming him, before I realized it was a car. 0.83

02:10:07.000 And I'm like, I want to know who's filming Goggins.

02:10:09.000 It's too steady.

02:10:10.000 Yeah, see, I realized.

02:10:11.000 I was disappointed because I thought there was an anonymous...

02:10:13.000 Yeah, he was running, getting no credit at all.

02:10:18.000 It's probably his fiance.

02:10:19.000 But, you know, to me, that's kind of like, I love that, because it's like, it's equal access.

02:10:25.000 No one is being barred from the learning curve.

02:10:28.000 Now, the specific learning curve, you might be getting barred from.

02:10:32.000 You know what I mean?

02:10:33.000 Like, you want a Moog 1. It's $8,000 fucking dollars, okay? 0.99

02:10:36.000 Like, you're not going to get that. 0.99

02:10:37.000 You're not going to learn to play that if you don't have that kind of money.

02:10:39.000 What's a Moog 1? 0.91

02:10:41.000 It's like something that fell out of a spaceship that I'm obsessed with.

02:10:44.000 What?

02:10:45.000 It's just this beautiful synthesizer, man.

02:10:47.000 Oh.

02:10:47.000 I was like, huh?

02:10:49.000 Yeah.

02:10:50.000 Fell out of a spaceship.

02:10:51.000 Dude, I have to piss so bad. 0.99

02:10:52.000 Can you talk to Jamie and then I'll let you pee? 0.86

02:10:54.000 Yeah, I would love to.

02:10:54.000 Because I know you have to pee too, right?

02:10:56.000 How did you know, man?

02:10:57.000 Because I could tell.

02:10:58.000 Shared mine, because I'm wriggling.

02:10:59.000 You're moving a little funny.

02:11:00.000 Yeah.

02:11:01.000 Yeah.

02:11:01.000 Who wants to pee first?

02:11:02.000 You want to pee first? 1.00

02:11:03.000 What a fucking gentleman! 1.00

02:11:04.000 You pee first, because if you announced it, you gotta go. 1.00

02:11:07.000 I think I can wait.

02:11:08.000 Okay, I'll be right back.

02:11:09.000 Okay, great.

02:11:11.000 I looked this up, the Moog One. 1.00

02:11:13.000 Yeah, forget it.

02:11:14.000 You have a Moog right now, though, right?

02:11:18.000 I got a Sub 37, but the Moog One is polyphonic, and the Sub 37 is monophonic, so you can't really play chords on it.

02:11:30.000 But it's not just that.

02:11:31.000 It's like the whole...

02:11:33.000 I mean, it's a cult around these synths because they did figure out a way to dial in this perfect, specific, beautiful sound that once you even...

02:11:44.000 I mean, if you like playing music, which, you know, I just do as a...

02:11:47.000 You play music.

02:11:48.000 I feel like I asked you this like a year ago.

02:11:50.000 You just play for yourself mostly.

02:11:52.000 You just like to sit in a room and turn off the light or put on mood lights or whatever and just...

02:11:57.000 Make your own music instead of listening to what people are making for you to listen?

02:12:01.000 Yeah, well, I mean, I like both, but I just, I like the, with musical synthesis, I really, there's like a weird kind of philosophy behind it, which is, not only do you not have to worry about making, you know, whatever it is, an album or something,

02:12:18.000 but...

02:12:19.000 Kind of like, allow yourself a break from imagining you even need to be musical. 0.99

02:12:25.000 Just like, you know, you give kids pots and pans and they fucking bang it together. 0.97

02:12:30.000 It's just fun.

02:12:31.000 A friend of mine, Billy Mays III, he's actually the son of Billy Mays, he travels around playing music under a name called Infinite Third, and he does a thing called Mouth Council, which sounds like almost what you're doing, where he takes a loop pedal, has a microphone, he starts and makes a sound,

02:12:47.000 and then he passes it around to the next person.

02:12:49.000 It's like, you would have it, you make a sound.

02:12:50.000 Then Joe would make a sound, and then by the end of the eight-person, nine-person thing, he knows how to use the pedal enough that it becomes basically a song, almost like a song.

02:12:58.000 It's just a droning loop, so it's not really super musical, but it's almost like this, and he does very similar things by himself.

02:13:06.000 It gets real cool, but it's just like what you're saying though, it's not music to listen to necessarily.

02:13:11.000 It's got structure.

02:13:13.000 It's to have on and like the background sort of and like whatever you're doing really can be used in lots of ways.

02:13:19.000 It's like, yeah, I think it's just like...

02:13:21.000 Whoever this is is clearly a great musician, but also you can just enjoy dialing in these insane howling alien noises for no reason other than you just are trying to make sounds, and that's it.

02:13:37.000 I mean, it really is. 0.94

02:13:38.000 You take that and combine it with most any psychedelic Marijuana, and what you have there is the ultimate fucking spaceship, essentially.

02:13:49.000 That you're just like, you don't need, we're just talking about how, the idea behind this is you can get good at it, and these things are so precisely dialed in that if you wanted to be like the, you know, they teach you music just from interacting with it, but also there's just this visceral, like,

02:14:04.000 pleasure of making noises through synths, you know?

02:14:08.000 Whoa.

02:14:09.000 Yeah, I often think what would happen if you got sucked into this world.

02:14:12.000 Don't do that to me.

02:14:13.000 Don't you put that evil on me, Ricky Bobby. 0.68

02:14:15.000 I would like to put that evil on you. 0.98

02:14:17.000 That would be fucking cool if you started playing the mode world. 0.98

02:14:20.000 I swore off playing Quake. 0.95

02:14:21.000 I had to swear off of it.

02:14:23.000 I was playing it again.

02:14:24.000 Again, I know.

02:14:25.000 Hours a day.

02:14:26.000 Hours.

02:14:26.000 When you asked me, you texted, do I play Quake?

02:14:30.000 And I got the same feeling you get when you have a friend who's gone sober and they're asking, do you want to go get a drink?

02:14:37.000 Yeah, man.

02:14:37.000 I had a problem playing hours a day.

02:14:40.000 And I just went cold turkey.

02:14:42.000 I went, stop!

02:14:43.000 What are you doing?

02:14:44.000 I'm gonna go take... 0.98

02:14:45.000 I'm gonna piss. 0.82

02:14:46.000 Go piss. 0.98

02:14:47.000 How long does it take you to piss with that suit on? 0.99

02:14:49.000 This is...

02:14:50.000 Depends on where I'm at.

02:14:52.000 Like in a combat situation, I wear diapers.

02:14:54.000 But in general, it takes like 30 minutes or so.

02:14:58.000 But I'll be back.

02:14:59.000 Great.

02:15:01.000 I wear diapers in combat situations.

02:15:08.000 This whole episode 1313 was 100% Duncan's idea.

02:15:12.000 I get this text message from him.

02:15:13.000 Hey man!

02:15:15.000 Can I do episode 1313?

02:15:18.000 Just give me the finger at the window. 1.00

02:15:19.000 I'm like, fuck yeah you can. 1.00

02:15:21.000 I need to do that with you. 1.00

02:15:23.000 I noticed that.

02:15:24.000 I was going to ask if you guys had planned it.

02:15:25.000 Yeah, well we planned episode 666. That was also his idea.

02:15:29.000 That was the last time he wore a Pope outfit and I wore my white NASA outfit.

02:15:33.000 I have a white NASA outfit and an orange one.

02:15:36.000 That was awesome.

02:15:38.000 But yeah, 1313 is a real thing.

02:15:41.000 But we aren't really on 1313 because it's just like podcasts on planes in there.

02:15:47.000 70 MMA shows, Fight Companions.

02:15:50.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:15:51.000 Those are hundreds of them.

02:15:54.000 That's a crazy number.

02:15:55.000 Well, you guys are talking about it.

02:15:56.000 I don't want to interrupt the conversation, but this has sort of just come out to help with the deepfake stuff.

02:16:02.000 Adobe's announced that they've got a tool that they've...

02:16:05.000 I don't know how well it works right now.

02:16:07.000 They just show a picture, so they don't show it in action or anything.

02:16:09.000 But it's a way to tell if a photo has been manipulated with Photoshop in some way or another.

02:16:13.000 Oh, keep that off those Instagram hoes. 1.00

02:16:16.000 Yeah.

02:16:17.000 Nobody knows what anybody looks like.

02:16:19.000 You know?

02:16:20.000 I mean, do those...

02:16:21.000 Some Instagram people literally look like cartoons.

02:16:24.000 Like, you look at their photos, you're like, what are you?

02:16:26.000 You're not a...

02:16:27.000 That's not a picture. 0.99

02:16:28.000 Yeah, I've never fucked with the app.

02:16:30.000 Facetune, I think, is what a lot of people use.

02:16:32.000 Is that what they use?

02:16:32.000 Like, you can just draw...

02:16:33.000 Dude, some guys use it.

02:16:34.000 Yeah, for sure they do.

02:16:35.000 Their whole face is blurry.

02:16:37.000 It's like, what's happening here?

02:16:38.000 I gotta put my glasses on to look closer at it.

02:16:40.000 I'm like, what are you?

02:16:40.000 You're spray paint.

02:16:41.000 Weirdly rosy cheeks.

02:16:42.000 Yeah, you're a spray person.

02:16:45.000 We're talking about Instagram filters, like AI. Adobe's new AI tool can spot when a face has been photoshopped.

02:16:53.000 Yeah, I heard about that.

02:16:54.000 Keep that off the Instagram hose.

02:16:57.000 Yeah, you got like a...

02:16:58.000 Have you seen that one Instagram person who is actually a CGI? She's like...

02:17:03.000 Oh, I've heard of that.

02:17:04.000 Yeah, people didn't know.

02:17:04.000 I can't remember her name.

02:17:05.000 Yeah.

02:17:06.000 Well, they're saying they're going to do that with the models now.

02:17:08.000 You know, they do that with houses.

02:17:10.000 Like, sometimes you look at a picture and you're like, wait a minute, is this real?

02:17:13.000 And like, under construction currently will be completed summer of 2020. You're like...

02:17:18.000 Whoa.

02:17:19.000 So this is not a picture of a house.

02:17:21.000 This is a CGI house, but it's got shadows and the floor has texture. 0.93

02:17:28.000 I mean, it looks fucking real, man. 0.93

02:17:30.000 I've seen some real-ass looking houses. 1.00

02:17:33.000 And that's, you know, real estate agents are using that shit. 0.99

02:17:36.000 Why wouldn't, like, a clothing designer have, like, the perfect body to complement their perfect clothes, you know? 0.99

02:17:43.000 Yeah, that, um, I'm sure you've shown this on here a billion times, but, yeah, that, you're talking about the AI that just generates people?

02:17:50.000 Yeah.

02:17:50.000 Makes fake models.

02:17:52.000 Beautiful, perfect people.

02:17:54.000 Yeah.

02:17:54.000 In every way.

02:17:55.000 Yeah.

02:17:55.000 In every way.

02:17:56.000 I agree.

02:17:57.000 Every way.

02:17:59.000 Perfect, in fact.

02:18:00.000 It's funny that some people trip out about people that look really good on Instagram, and they say they're giving off unrealistic body images.

02:18:11.000 And that this is something we should stay away from.

02:18:14.000 It's like that guy from Vox was doing that. 0.97

02:18:18.000 Everybody's hating on him, because he was saying that about gay thirst traps.

02:18:22.000 They put out unrealistic body images, and you should think about them the same way you think about cigarette ads. 0.76

02:18:29.000 Or liquor hats.

02:18:30.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:18:31.000 What?

02:18:31.000 No, they're in shape.

02:18:32.000 Unrealistic is such a crazy thing to say when you're actually looking at a real person.

02:18:37.000 Unrealistic body expectations.

02:18:39.000 No, that guy goes to the gym, and that's what you look like when you go to the gym.

02:18:43.000 That is real.

02:18:44.000 That's not just realistic.

02:18:45.000 That's real.

02:18:46.000 It's not unrealistic.

02:18:48.000 Some people don't want to look at other people that look good.

02:18:54.000 I read this article by a therapist who was saying like...

02:18:57.000 Yeah, that was the other one.

02:18:59.000 Delia posted that.

02:19:00.000 Dad bods are more attractive to women than rock hard abs, survey said. 1.00

02:19:04.000 That survey said was in front of their fucking fat husbands. 1.00

02:19:09.000 100%. 1.00

02:19:09.000 They also used millionaires, you know. 1.00

02:19:11.000 Did they?

02:19:12.000 Well, it's Chris Pratt and Leonardo DiCaprio.

02:19:14.000 Chris Pratt is not of a dad bod.

02:19:17.000 He's sticking his stomach out. 0.99

02:19:18.000 He's been silly. 0.99

02:19:19.000 That guy's jacked. 1.00

02:19:21.000 I meet him in real life. 0.90

02:19:22.000 He's a stud.

02:19:24.000 Who's the other guy?

02:19:25.000 Leonardo Caprio?

02:19:26.000 Caprio, yeah.

02:19:27.000 Do you think that Dabod...

02:19:28.000 You know, like, you hear this, like, usually you find out this way down the line, but, like, some phenomena in society was, like, cooked up in a boardroom, right? 0.92

02:19:37.000 Like, for example, let's say, I don't know, you made Twinkies, and you realize, like, shit, man, people, like, really getting into this...

02:19:45.000 Ketogenic diet and working out and there could be a potential, you probably have some AI saying like, hey, we've got like a health craze predicted for 2021, meaning Twinkie sales are going to drop by like 50% because guys don't want to be fat. 0.92

02:19:59.000 And so then you start disseminating into the world like, alright.

02:20:02.000 Let's come up with this thing.

02:20:03.000 What's a way to call somebody out of shape but like to connect it to their virility because they're a dad bot.

02:20:10.000 Yeah, dad bot.

02:20:11.000 So then you start getting it out there.

02:20:13.000 Like, you know, it helps if any product that is like bad for you kind of depends on two things. 0.97

02:20:21.000 That it tastes fucking good. 0.80

02:20:23.000 And two, that you can trick yourself into believing it's worth eating, right? 0.99

02:20:28.000 Like it needs those two things.

02:20:30.000 Like, in other words, if there was like delicious uranium, like some lunatic created like the sweetest, most flavorful uranium biscuit. 1.00

02:20:39.000 You're not going to eat that shit, you know? 1.00

02:20:41.000 You're going to go Chernobyl and fucking, oh, your stomach's going to melt at the dinner table. 1.00

02:20:45.000 But if you could come up with, like, you know, a nice IPA, like you were saying, or some kind of thing that's, oh, it's just poison, basically. 0.99

02:20:53.000 It's going to destroy your liver over time.

02:20:55.000 It'll be a slow progression.

02:20:56.000 And you could, like, sink into alcoholism.

02:20:59.000 Your personality will change.

02:21:01.000 Nobody would do that.

02:21:03.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:21:04.000 People don't even know what you're saying right now.

02:21:06.000 They go, no one's going to do that. 1.00

02:21:07.000 It's such a stupid premise. 1.00

02:21:08.000 No one's going to drink poison. 1.00

02:21:09.000 It slowly toxifies your liver. 1.00

02:21:11.000 Shut up. 1.00

02:21:11.000 Who would even do that shit, man? 1.00

02:21:13.000 I would never do that. 1.00

02:21:14.000 I mean, I drink because I'm sophisticated. 0.99

02:21:16.000 And then, like, did you, by the way, read that shit about how, like, hangovers are brain damage? 0.99

02:21:22.000 Like when you have a hangover and you get better, your brain hasn't recovered yet. 0.98

02:21:26.000 Just the part that you could sense has gotten better, but you have like physiological damage that's happening, of course.

02:21:33.000 Of course.

02:21:33.000 When you read it, you're like, wait, duh, of course.

02:21:37.000 Duh, but it's fun.

02:21:39.000 It's fun to be drunk.

02:21:40.000 That's part of the problem.

02:21:41.000 It's fun to be drunk.

02:21:42.000 Oh my god.

02:21:43.000 It's fun to be lit.

02:21:44.000 Laughing and joking.

02:21:46.000 I mean, that's one of the realities of any great thing is like it is a delight and it is a beautiful part of life for many people.

02:21:57.000 At some point, you just start tricking yourself.

02:21:59.000 I mean, that's one of the things McKenna, I love that you said, is like how history has survived alcohol.

02:22:05.000 Like, we managed to have that as our sacrament, and still we have civilization.

02:22:09.000 Wow! 0.98

02:22:10.000 It's incredible, because it didn't, like, it does turn people into fucking 28 days later, doesn't it? 0.98

02:22:16.000 In some ways. 0.98

02:22:16.000 Slow. 0.98

02:22:17.000 Some people it does.

02:22:17.000 But it's really interesting when you consider his idea that at one point in time there were psychedelic cultures that really didn't have our standard intoxicants, right?

02:22:26.000 So they didn't have antidepressants.

02:22:28.000 They didn't have stimulants.

02:22:29.000 Unless it was something like coca leaves that they were eating, right?

02:22:32.000 They didn't have processed cocaine.

02:22:33.000 But what they did have was copious amounts of psilocybin.

02:22:38.000 Yeah.

02:22:39.000 Lysergic acid and different plant forms.

02:22:41.000 There was a bunch of different things the Mayans used.

02:22:45.000 Ayahuasca, DMT. There was that shaman when they found his bag.

02:22:49.000 It was like 2,000 years old.

02:22:52.000 How many thousand years old?

02:22:53.000 2,500 years old?

02:22:54.000 He had DMT in his bag.

02:22:55.000 Yeah, it's like any fanny pack you find at Burning Man.

02:22:58.000 It's...

02:23:03.000 Literally the same ingredients.

02:23:05.000 Exactly!

02:23:07.000 Exactly.

02:23:08.000 Yeah, that's hilarious. 1.00

02:23:11.000 I love when they find that shit out. 1.00

02:23:12.000 What do you got? 1.00

02:23:13.000 The DMT was in that rabbit nose thing, right?

02:23:16.000 Yeah, the fox nose.

02:23:18.000 Yeah, that was only a thousand years old.

02:23:19.000 I thought you were leading down to that 2,500-year-old marijuana that just got found.

02:23:22.000 Oh, yeah, that's true, too.

02:23:23.000 That's a new one.

02:23:24.000 Yeah.

02:23:24.000 So people have been just getting blasted forever, man.

02:23:27.000 It's the best.

02:23:27.000 Of course they have been.

02:23:28.000 As soon as they found it, they're like, why would I just go with regular life?

02:23:31.000 Yeah, it's the best.

02:23:33.000 It's so wonderful that that's being disseminated in a culture right now.

02:23:38.000 It's also people are decriminalizing it all over the place, left and right.

02:23:42.000 It's slowly starting to happen.

02:23:43.000 Colorado first, always.

02:23:45.000 Boom.

02:23:45.000 They're on track.

02:23:46.000 Now Oakland.

02:23:47.000 Oakland decriminalized it as a city.

02:23:49.000 They put it as the lowest priority.

02:23:51.000 All plant medicines, including ayahuasca.

02:23:53.000 You saw AOC's tweet?

02:23:54.000 Yeah.

02:23:55.000 It's amazing, man.

02:23:56.000 But she can't get traction.

02:23:58.000 Other people in Congress are like, what?

02:24:00.000 Whoa.

02:24:01.000 It's hard to sell that bill.

02:24:03.000 It's hard to sell psychedelic research.

02:24:05.000 And, you know, MAPS has been doing amazing stuff with soldiers.

02:24:07.000 And you've been to the actual MAPS conference.

02:24:10.000 Yeah, I have.

02:24:11.000 Yeah.

02:24:11.000 It was wonderful.

02:24:13.000 Because it's like these, you know, as much as I love hanging out with you and, like, my friends who take psychedelics...

02:24:21.000 It's really inspiring to be around scientists who are sort of figuring out a way to translate that experience into a data set that can convince legislators to change draconian laws because they're doing the hard work.

02:24:36.000 You know, you and I, we get to go on and on and on about the multiverse and the DMT entities.

02:24:41.000 We can make things up.

02:24:42.000 We can make things up.

02:24:43.000 They can't.

02:24:44.000 It doesn't matter if they've taken it and had a real experience where some advanced Whatever you want to call it, has appeared to them whether a part of their subconscious or an alien and said, listen, here's what's going on.

02:24:55.000 We do this with every planet.

02:24:57.000 The first step is we've got to like undercut the hierarchical centralized power structure and we know the only way to really do that is Is by teaching people that their identity as they think it is, isn't quite right.

02:25:09.000 If we can expand the human identity, selfishness goes away.

02:25:13.000 If we can get rid of the problem of trauma and people dealing with trauma by being aggressive to the outside world, Then over time, the circumference of the human identity expands beyond the perimeters of me and into us.

02:25:27.000 And if that happens, then we can enter into a type A civilization or whatever they call it, the beginning of a global civilization. 0.99

02:25:34.000 But first, we've got to get the fucking monkeys to climb down from the tree of their selfishness. 0.98

02:25:41.000 And if we can do that and we can lure a few people out of themselves, just like getting a buggy out of the tree, so that people are like, wait a minute, I don't think I'm just a me. 0.99

02:25:51.000 I think I'm connected to everything, purely interconnected.

02:25:55.000 In fact, I don't think I'm anything.

02:25:57.000 I think what I really am is the connection between me and others.

02:26:02.000 That's where I exist, not in this world.

02:26:04.000 But you are something, right?

02:26:05.000 Because you're very unique.

02:26:07.000 Like, you personally are very unique.

02:26:08.000 You're one of my favorite friends, but you're also one of my weirdest friends.

02:26:12.000 I'll call you up.

02:26:13.000 Thank you!

02:26:14.000 Dude, you gotta read this book!

02:26:15.000 It's like, dude, you gotta watch this documentary! 1.00

02:26:17.000 And we will talk for hours about the crazy shit. 0.99

02:26:21.000 But you are very specific. 0.99

02:26:23.000 I don't get the same conversation with Joey Diaz.

02:26:26.000 I don't get the same conversation if I call Ari. 0.82

02:26:28.000 Everybody has a different thing that they're on.

02:26:31.000 So there's something going on that's uniquely you, right?

02:26:34.000 Oh, yeah.

02:26:35.000 I mean, to say – yeah, because otherwise you sink into nihilism and you like imagine – What's the point, man?

02:26:40.000 Right.

02:26:40.000 That's not it at all.

02:26:41.000 It's that you don't exist in a vacuum.

02:26:44.000 It's like that's the main thing.

02:26:47.000 To me, like, the fundamental problem right now is selfishness.

02:26:52.000 It's like, when you're mad at someone on the interstate, what do they do?

02:26:55.000 Something selfish.

02:26:55.000 When you're mad at someone in your life, what do they do?

02:26:57.000 Something selfish.

02:26:58.000 When someone's mad at you, what did you do?

02:27:01.000 Something selfish.

02:27:02.000 Almost always.

02:27:03.000 And, like, this is the reality, is that selfishness is an innate quality of being a human.

02:27:09.000 We are a self.

02:27:11.000 There is a sense of a self, rather, and we feel mixed up in it, but What you realize is like, you know those fucking times where you authentically, not because you're filming it for your Instagram or whatever, help somebody, and you don't talk about it?

02:27:25.000 You just suddenly do it?

02:27:26.000 Not like giving someone money either, but you get engaged with a person, and you're there.

02:27:31.000 And then it's...

02:27:32.000 One of my favorite mushroom trips was when I started coming back, and before I really came down, I started thinking like, what was I doing?

02:27:42.000 I was doing something.

02:27:44.000 I was being something.

02:27:45.000 I was being a human. 1.00

02:27:47.000 I was being a fuck, oh fuck, I'm a human. 1.00

02:27:49.000 But for a second, I wasn't a me. 1.00

02:27:51.000 I had merged into something bigger than me.

02:27:54.000 Similarly, if you just get really engaged in helping people, you'll notice that for that amount of time, you don't feel quite as shitty.

02:28:02.000 And it's not just because you're doing something good and there's some angel casting blessings on you.

02:28:07.000 It's because you got out of yourself for a second, in the sense that you became more than just you.

02:28:13.000 You were you and the person you were helping.

02:28:15.000 And that, to me, is a really interesting aspect of where we're at as a species, is that The reality is, man, yeah, we're all special and beautiful and wonderful, but also, you're not happening in a vacuum.

02:28:30.000 You're completely, inexorably interconnected with everything, and you can't get out of that.

02:28:37.000 You're in it for real, and the boundaries you've constructed around you and whatever you think the rest of the world is, they're just in your head.

02:28:45.000 It's not real.

02:28:46.000 You made it up.

02:28:47.000 You told yourself a story and you believe that story so much. 1.00

02:28:50.000 Like the poor motherfuckers who get in like the most psychotic cults. 1.00

02:28:54.000 You know where at the end of 10 years they reveal to you some crazy, crazy shit beyond crazy? 1.00

02:29:01.000 You spent like $900,000 in this fucking thing and they're like, yeah, we all got shit out by woolly mammoths. 1.00

02:29:07.000 And now you have to be like, I fucking either believe this and dive in, or I'm like, fuck, I was wrong all this time. 1.00

02:29:16.000 Similarly, most people have constructed this ridiculous armoring boundary around them based on... 0.99

02:29:23.000 You know, this is bad, and this is good, and that's not good, and that's good, and here I am in the midst of it.

02:29:31.000 And that's a real painful situation to be in, because you have to fucking constantly exert that force field situation.

02:29:37.000 And it's really, I think, why so many people are depressed and exhausted and can't really relax.

02:29:42.000 Because how can you relax if you're constantly in a state of creating an imaginary barrier between you and infinity called yourself?

02:29:51.000 It's a really exhausting, probably, practice to be engaged in.

02:29:56.000 And then there's some people who impose themselves on other people.

02:30:00.000 They make their life and their problems 100% of the focus of this other person, so that person becomes an enabler.

02:30:07.000 You see that with husbands and wives sometimes, or even with friends. 0.99

02:30:11.000 Like, one person is the active asshole, and then the other person is the fixer-upper. 1.00

02:30:16.000 Man, Mike fucked up again, I gotta go get him. 1.00

02:30:19.000 The active asshole. 1.00

02:30:22.000 Centralization, man. 1.00

02:30:23.000 And it's like our whole – from like our family structures usually to like the entire way we run our government is usually centralized around one key identity. 0.99

02:30:32.000 And you've had this conversation many times on the show, which I like, the preposterous nature of a king, a president, a pope, a bishop, a world leader, a teacher, whatever the fuck it is, it's preposterous.

02:30:45.000 And it's also quite dangerous, you know, because it's like, not only do we have the situation of the parasitic friend, but even worse, you can get into the situation of the charismatic friend who's tricking you into the idea that you could do something called cosmic hitchhiking.

02:31:04.000 That's what Chogyam Trungpa calls it, which is basically the idea that, like, I'm going to use you because you are so great, and you will be the thing that helps me become a real person.

02:31:15.000 I like to be the chosen one.

02:31:17.000 Yeah.

02:31:17.000 You're the chosen one.

02:31:18.000 You are our teacher.

02:31:20.000 We worship you.

02:31:22.000 Om.

02:31:23.000 Show us the way.

02:31:24.000 Imagine being born the Dalai Lama.

02:31:26.000 So, from the jump, you're something special.

02:31:30.000 You're the chosen one.

02:31:31.000 Yeah.

02:31:32.000 You're the one.

02:31:32.000 You're the reincarnation of who?

02:31:34.000 Who are they supposed to be?

02:31:35.000 Oh, they're a tulku is what it's called.

02:31:37.000 So it's the tulku system, and the way it would work would be, you know, because you have, like, if you look at the history of Tibet, it was called the Hermit Kingdom, and it was closed off from the rest of the world.

02:31:47.000 It's very hard to get in there.

02:31:49.000 Seven years in Tibet is about somebody who made it through and became friends with the Dalai Lama as a kid.

02:31:55.000 Anyway, so within this system, there is this idea that Beings reincarnate. 0.84

02:32:03.000 And if you're awakened enough, if you're like really like at the sort of last phase of the sort of, what would you call it, the cycle you were talking about earlier, then you stop losing at least some of the amnesia that happens when you get processed through the liminal in-between period called the bardo between this incarnation and the next.

02:32:23.000 So anyway, they go to children.

02:32:26.000 They put in front of them the particular items that belong to the previous incarnation that they think they are.

02:32:34.000 Oracles, visionaries bring the monks to a particular village.

02:32:38.000 And then the kid picks it.

02:32:40.000 And then that kid becomes the next this or that.

02:32:43.000 It's called a tulku.

02:32:45.000 How many kids do they look at?

02:32:47.000 I don't know, man.

02:32:48.000 I don't know the depths of it. 1.00

02:32:49.000 What if the kid turns out to be an asshole? 1.00

02:32:51.000 Can they take his powers away? 1.00

02:32:52.000 Well, I think it has happened where tulkus are like, it's similar to like, what the fuck is the, what is the thing where those kids get one summer to go, like the summer of fucking? 0.99

02:33:04.000 What is that religion? 1.00

02:33:05.000 Oh, yeah, that's Amish. 0.99

02:33:06.000 That's Rumpel... 0.51

02:33:08.000 Rump Springer.

02:33:08.000 Rump Springer?

02:33:09.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:33:10.000 Yeah, Rump Springer.

02:33:12.000 What is that?

02:33:12.000 There's a great documentary on that.

02:33:14.000 Yeah.

02:33:15.000 Something, the devil's something.

02:33:20.000 It's like a great name, the Devil's Summer, but it's just like, the Devil's Playground!

02:33:26.000 Woo! 0.99

02:33:26.000 I want to go there! 0.99

02:33:28.000 Where's that? 1.00

02:33:29.000 And they fuck, and they smoke, and then a lot of them come back. 1.00

02:33:32.000 They feel empty. 1.00

02:33:33.000 I believe that was one of the ways they studied the impact of MDMA, wasn't it?

02:33:38.000 If you find someone who's taken MDMA, but no other drug, it's pretty rare.

02:33:44.000 So, you need to find a person who's only taken MDMA, otherwise you can't... 1.00

02:33:48.000 Like, assess if there's some cognitive damage, because it could have been the acid, it could have been the mushrooms, it could have been the time you fell on your ass when you were hammered, who the fuck knows? 0.95

02:33:58.000 But these kids, some of them have only taken MDMA, and so I believe that they used them as a sample to, like, determine if there was any kind of neurological damage caused by The drug itself. 0.97

02:34:10.000 So I think a symbol or phenomena happens within that system where some kids are like, I'm not a reincarnated being.

02:34:16.000 I'm a musician.

02:34:17.000 I want to go play music.

02:34:18.000 And they leave.

02:34:19.000 Do you know who's a musician who's also a reincarnated being?

02:34:22.000 Jimi Hendrix?

02:34:23.000 Steven Seagal.

02:34:24.000 What?

02:34:25.000 Yep.

02:34:26.000 When did that happen?

02:34:27.000 I didn't know that.

02:34:27.000 They told him.

02:34:28.000 I think the Dalai Lama might have hooked him up.

02:34:30.000 Told him what?

02:34:31.000 One of those guys over there told him that he was the reincarnation of someone super special.

02:34:36.000 Jesus God.

02:34:37.000 It's a big deal over there.

02:34:38.000 They had a ceremony and everything.

02:34:41.000 Here it is.

02:34:42.000 It's from 1997. This is the long written thing about it.

02:34:45.000 Oh, that's a lot of words.

02:34:46.000 I know. 1.00

02:34:47.000 I can't even read that shit. 0.99

02:34:48.000 The recognition of Steven Seagal as a reincarnation of the treasure revealer Chung Drag Dorje. 1.00

02:34:58.000 Wow.

02:34:58.000 That's exciting.

02:35:00.000 So he's a reincarnation.

02:35:04.000 Well, that's comforting to know he's always been with us, you know, because it's like one of the things that does bother me is to imagine a world without Seagal, you know?

02:35:11.000 So it's cool to know he's always been here, coming back again and again.

02:35:15.000 How come nobody was ever a loser in their past life? 1.00

02:35:17.000 Everybody was always a fucking... 1.00

02:35:19.000 No. 1.00

02:35:20.000 ...awesome...

02:35:20.000 Oh, you mean...

02:35:21.000 Oh, right, yeah. 1.00

02:35:22.000 People that are full of shit. 1.00

02:35:23.000 Full of shit people, yeah, of course. 1.00

02:35:25.000 Like, what are you going to be like? 1.00

02:35:26.000 You know what? 1.00

02:35:27.000 If you're making money as a fucking psychic, and you're like, whoa, you're basically like a gutter rat. 1.00

02:35:33.000 You've only been a rat. 1.00

02:35:35.000 You lived in filth. 0.99

02:35:36.000 You weren't even... 0.88

02:35:37.000 You were a mucus thing.

02:35:39.000 Like, I'm not sure what you'd call it. 0.91

02:35:40.000 A box jellyfish that killed babies.

02:35:42.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:35:42.000 You're a tapeworm. 0.99

02:35:43.000 You're one of those lungworms that went into someone's brain. 1.00

02:35:46.000 You're trichinosis, motherfucker. 1.00

02:35:47.000 You're uncooked pork. 1.00

02:35:48.000 You're a moth. 0.98

02:35:50.000 To me, the whole reincarnation...

02:35:54.000 He's a tolku. 1.00

02:35:55.000 A tolku. 0.90

02:35:56.000 That's a statement from the guy.

02:35:57.000 I recognized my student, Steven Seagal, as a reincarnation toku of the treasure revealer Chung Drag Dorje. 0.84

02:36:05.000 Since there's been some confusion and uncertainty as to what this means, I'm writing to clarify the situation.

02:36:10.000 No clarifying necessary.

02:36:11.000 I'll see you later, man.

02:36:12.000 I gotta go. 1.00

02:36:13.000 You might be full of shit. 1.00

02:36:14.000 Meanwhile, Seagal's got five hookers going to this guy's house right now as we speak. 1.00

02:36:21.000 Well, also, there's talk of ending the Tolku system, and the Dalai Lama has even said that, and recognizing that, because what's cool about the Dalai Lama, among many things, is that he said, you know, he's very rational,

02:36:37.000 and he said if science proves Something in Buddhism is off, we'll change Buddhism to fit the rational mind.

02:36:44.000 And that's the beauty of Buddhism.

02:36:46.000 There's pageantry in it, there's ceremony, there's ritual in it, just like any other religion, it's beautiful.

02:36:51.000 Personally, I think that there is a sort of area of experience accessible through their practices that I guess could best be compared to psychedelics or something like that, but to me what I love about it is All the pageantry aside and all of it aside,

02:37:13.000 it's not faith-based.

02:37:14.000 It's a very basic series of ideas that you have to digest, you have to think about, you have to look into.

02:37:22.000 You don't just get to be it.

02:37:24.000 It's like, you know, maybe some forms of it, there could be an example of that, but in general, it's more along the lines of here's the basic fundamental principles behind this Not in the courting of a human life that we've discovered.

02:37:40.000 Here's where some suffering is coming from.

02:37:42.000 All the suffering, in fact.

02:37:44.000 And here's how to fix it.

02:37:45.000 That's the Four Noble Truths of Buddhism. 0.99

02:37:47.000 And just hearing it, who gives a fuck? 0.98

02:37:51.000 You could hear life is suffering, the cause of suffering is attachment, get rid of attachment, suffering ends, here's a system to get rid of attachment, and, you know, whatever. 0.99

02:38:01.000 Life is suffering, what does that even fucking mean?

02:38:03.000 What does life even mean? 0.96

02:38:04.000 What does it even mean by suffering?

02:38:06.000 This first noble truth, it gets completely mistranslated anyway.

02:38:10.000 Dukkha, it means wobbly wheel. 0.63

02:38:12.000 It's more akin to, like, if you're riding a bike that's got not enough air in it, It's going to be a rough ride.

02:38:21.000 But it's going to be even more of a rough ride if you have somehow tricked yourself into thinking there's enough air in the tire. 0.86

02:38:28.000 So that anytime you hit some bumps, you're like, what the fuck is wrong with the world?

02:38:32.000 You know what I mean? 0.89

02:38:34.000 That's it.

02:38:35.000 It's like wobbly wheel.

02:38:37.000 The thing's wonky.

02:38:38.000 You think you're not going to get disconnected when you've been on the line with Verizon for an hour?

02:38:42.000 You're going to get disconnected.

02:38:44.000 It tends to happen.

02:38:45.000 You're going to get cut off in traffic.

02:38:47.000 You're going to fail.

02:38:48.000 You're going to be disappointed.

02:38:49.000 This is reality, but somehow you've...

02:38:52.000 I've imagined that it doesn't work like that. 0.97

02:38:55.000 And every single time you're met with the truth, you're like, oh, God, this sucks.

02:39:01.000 And, you know, so that creates a lot of problems, and it creates some ways to deal with it, which is desire and aversion.

02:39:10.000 So you're somewhere and you want to be somewhere else, basically.

02:39:13.000 You know, you're somewhere and you're like, I don't want to be in this place.

02:39:17.000 Or, you know, you're imagining that if you get this thing or that thing, the pain you're feeling of the wobbly wheel will go away.

02:39:25.000 Do the experiment.

02:39:26.000 See if it's true.

02:39:27.000 See if it's true. 1.00

02:39:28.000 That's all you can do is like really look at the shit that you want. 0.99

02:39:32.000 Like, I could come home and Moog could have pulled up and given me seven Moog ones, right? 1.00

02:39:38.000 And I'm gonna sit and play those fucking Moog ones for weeks and weeks until I'm sweaty and smell like fucking just someone shoved a salami under the balls of an ape, you know? 0.99

02:39:49.000 I'm not gonna take showers. 0.99

02:39:50.000 I'm going to just be oozing a stink and like probably weeping into the mug and sneezing into it.

02:39:57.000 Anyway, the point is, eventually after the distraction has gone away, I'm going to return to my fundamental self, you know, the fundamental condition of existence as it is, regardless.

02:40:09.000 And so this is sort of the...

02:40:11.000 Some of the principles as I understand it, which are really quite intelligent, you know?

02:40:15.000 It's really – and what I love about it most of all is there's always this invitation which is, go see!

02:40:22.000 Go see!

02:40:23.000 It's not – because I'm telling you this, believe it!

02:40:26.000 It's like, go see!

02:40:27.000 Maybe it's different for you.

02:40:29.000 But you need to go check.

02:40:30.000 Like, every time you're doing the thing that you've been repeating over and over again, is it making you happy for real?

02:40:37.000 Is it really working?

02:40:38.000 Is it working?

02:40:39.000 And if it's working, great!

02:40:41.000 But if it's not, and you're trying to pretend it is because you've been doing it so long, well, who's winning this game of self-deception?

02:40:52.000 There's no winning if the game is tricking yourself.

02:40:56.000 And what do you do?

02:40:58.000 How do you feel about life if you're always tricking yourself?

02:41:02.000 Hey, Twitter world!

02:41:04.000 Yeah, man.

02:41:05.000 That's right.

02:41:06.000 You will only feel that everyone is trying to trick you.

02:41:10.000 And you'll feel like there's a grand conspiracy.

02:41:13.000 And you'll feel like the world's out to get you.

02:41:15.000 And there is a grand conspiracy, which is that you are running a game on yourself!

02:41:21.000 Yeah.

02:41:22.000 I feel like we should end with that.

02:41:24.000 Yeah.

02:41:24.000 I feel like that's very important for people to hear.

02:41:27.000 Yeah.

02:41:27.000 It's true.

02:41:28.000 I think it resonates with all of us.

02:41:29.000 We've all done that at the lowest points of consciousness in your life.

02:41:33.000 You run a little trick on yourself in order to get past things.

02:41:37.000 And I think some of that trick is run because you don't totally understand who you are and you want to.

02:41:42.000 So maybe I'm this guy.

02:41:44.000 Maybe I'm a hardcore Republican.

02:41:47.000 Yeah, you know what? 1.00

02:41:48.000 Those fucking Democrats, they tricked me for far too long. 1.00

02:41:50.000 I'm over here now. 1.00

02:41:51.000 Yeah, I found my home.

02:41:52.000 Found my home over here.

02:41:54.000 And that's one of the things that people do.

02:41:55.000 They really do. 0.99

02:41:57.000 I used to be a vegan, but now I'm a fucking carnivist. 0.99

02:42:00.000 I just eat all steaks, ribeye steaks, all day long. 0.99

02:42:04.000 You know what? 1.00

02:42:05.000 I couldn't believe what a pussy I was when I was just eating vegetables. 1.00

02:42:08.000 Congrats. 1.00

02:42:09.000 That's a lot of it, right?

02:42:10.000 Yeah, man.

02:42:11.000 And it's almost exactly like what we were talking about with religions, that you look down at these grids and these grids are run by different operating systems that require different behavior from their women. 1.00

02:42:22.000 This operating system, you can't drive.

02:42:25.000 You got to dress like a beekeeper and you have to do this and you have to do that.

02:42:28.000 This operating system, you put a plate through your lip.

02:42:30.000 And you got a bone in your nose.

02:42:32.000 In this operating system, everybody gets face tattoos.

02:42:35.000 In this operating system, no one eats pork.

02:42:39.000 No, no, no.

02:42:40.000 God does not.

02:42:41.000 In our operating system... 0.99

02:42:44.000 You get the same thing, I think, with right and left, with vegan and meat eater, with pick your poison, whatever the fuck it is. 0.92

02:42:54.000 Whatever thing it is that you're into, especially ideological, especially lifestyle-based, there's always an opposing one. 0.99

02:43:04.000 Like the people that don't want people to be gay. 0.94

02:43:06.000 Even a lot of the abortion stuff.

02:43:08.000 A lot of the abortion stuff, it's like, how much of this...

02:43:13.000 Really well thought out behavior and how much of it is how does your tribe respond to this?

02:43:20.000 And one of the ways you can tell, especially if you're talking to a hardcore lefty, Or a Republican, for that matter.

02:43:25.000 We can offer two examples.

02:43:26.000 But one of the ways you can tell is hardcore lefties do not like to discuss late-term abortion.

02:43:32.000 You say, well, what if it's a fetus?

02:43:33.000 What if it's a baby?

02:43:34.000 What if we're talking like eight months in?

02:43:36.000 It's a woman's right to choose. 1.00

02:43:38.000 No, it's a baby in this person's body.

02:43:41.000 Like, when is it a baby?

02:43:42.000 Look, I'm 100% pro-women's right to choose.

02:43:45.000 I'm 100% pro-choice. 0.99

02:43:47.000 But late-term abortions are fucking weird. 0.99

02:43:51.000 It's dark. 0.99

02:43:52.000 It's strange.

02:43:53.000 And everybody knows that.

02:43:54.000 Everybody knows that.

02:43:55.000 But if you're a hardcore lefty, you won't say it.

02:43:57.000 And then hardcore righties? 1.00

02:43:59.000 What if you were raped? 0.99

02:44:01.000 What if you're a little girl, a 13-year-old girl, and she was raped? 1.00

02:44:05.000 You want that girl to carry her fucking baby? 1.00

02:44:07.000 Are you crazy? 1.00

02:44:08.000 She was raped four weeks ago. 1.00

02:44:10.000 We found out she's pregnant. 0.84

02:44:11.000 What do you want me to do?

02:44:12.000 You want me to pray? 1.00

02:44:13.000 How about fuck you? 1.00

02:44:15.000 How about fuck you, my raped little girl is not going to have to carry someone's baby, you fucking asshole. 1.00

02:44:21.000 And the idea that you're an invisible man in the sky that watches over everything you do but allows rape to occur, allows little kids to get raped. 1.00

02:44:29.000 You want that little kid to carry a baby? 1.00

02:44:30.000 I'll fucking kill you. 1.00

02:44:32.000 You're goddamn crazy, right? 1.00

02:44:34.000 There's people that feel like that, too. 0.99

02:44:36.000 Well, this is, if you want to find the commonality, the common thread, it's just the way you were describing, which is a natural reaction to someone saying that to you or controlling your life in that way, it's aggression.

02:44:46.000 So, like, on both sides, it's not that there's an articulation of a point of view, it's that the point of view is being flavored with anger, with aggression.

02:44:55.000 Yes.

02:44:55.000 Pushing, pushing, pushing.

02:44:57.000 It's a woman's right to choose. 1.00

02:44:59.000 Yeah, or it's not, or whatever.

02:45:01.000 Both sides have within a quality of aggression.

02:45:04.000 So this is like, this is, you know, not to oversimplify things.

02:45:08.000 The reality is, man, one, we got to cut ourselves a break.

02:45:11.000 And you know this, and you've articulated this better than anybody.

02:45:14.000 We weren't.

02:45:15.000 We were monkeys not that long ago.

02:45:17.000 Real recent.

02:45:18.000 Go look at monkeys, see how they act. 0.70

02:45:21.000 Crazy. 0.83

02:45:21.000 Right. 0.83

02:45:22.000 So, number one, give yourself a fucking break. 1.00

02:45:24.000 From the evolutionary perspective, you're just barely waking up. 0.99

02:45:30.000 But, because you've been a monkey, inside of you, there's some serious, serious aggression, because that was the way to deal with the eagle that was bigger than you, that carried your wife away to feed to its You are going to have a sit down with the eagle and be like,

02:45:47.000 listen, I know you need to live.

02:45:50.000 And my wife, I imagine she was delicious. 0.99

02:45:53.000 I've been farming for the last several years and feeding her.

02:45:57.000 She eats apples every day.

02:45:58.000 And you know, the baby's gonna die because he was drinking her milk and all eagle, but listen, I wonder if maybe you could just spare the rest of my family. 1.00

02:46:05.000 What you're gonna do is kill that fucking eagle any way you can. 1.00

02:46:09.000 Fire, spears, whatever. 1.00

02:46:10.000 So now, to think that that has gone away is very similar to a person who takes a vacation and suddenly realizes, I can't relax. 0.84

02:46:19.000 Well, you can't relax, because for the last fucking year, you've been going non-stop in a state of constant stress, freaking out.

02:46:27.000 You're on vacation, you think that momentum's gonna go away? 0.97

02:46:30.000 No, it's just gonna be more apparent. 0.97

02:46:32.000 So you're gonna like, I'm not gonna guzzle it down and try to fuck it away, but... 0.90

02:46:35.000 And then you're on the airplane hungover and it's like, you know what I mean? 0.99

02:46:39.000 You're all fucking hungover and it's like, what happened? 0.85

02:46:41.000 That vacation's already over. 0.99

02:46:43.000 That's what has happened to us, which is like, listen, we've got it good right now, but it wasn't that long ago that saber-toothed tigers were dragging our children into the fucking jungle and eating them and we find feet that were our kids' feet in a bush somewhere and this trauma is in us epigenetically. 0.99

02:46:59.000 So, anyway, the point is, give yourself a fucking break. 0.98

02:47:02.000 But... 0.99

02:47:03.000 The other point is, that being said, recognize you're being aggressive.

02:47:09.000 Your approach using anger and intolerance is not working.

02:47:15.000 It is as noble as your purpose may be. 0.86

02:47:18.000 You want a global civilization of joy, whatever the fuck it is, It's not working if you're using the exact same momentum that causes the wars that you're hoping to stop.

02:47:31.000 So the first step has to be, I think, an internal personal exploration to create some – not to even get rid of the aggression or to be like, I'm bad because I'm angry or I'm all that bullshit, but to create some – to find out what is the circumference of the self. 0.98

02:47:48.000 And then within that you realize the thing you thought was all of you, that coiled up – Fucking anger is, in fact, a tiny piece of you. 0.84

02:47:55.000 It's still there, and it's still useful at times, but it's not all of you. 0.95

02:48:00.000 And because the circumference has widened, the next time the angry part of you starts bubbling, it's just like, it's the difference between somebody throwing a brick in a bathtub and a brick in the ocean.

02:48:11.000 It's like, a brick in the ocean, no big deal. 1.00

02:48:13.000 A brick in the bathtub, fuck you, dude! 1.00

02:48:15.000 Why are you throwing bricks in my bathtub, bitch?! 1.00

02:48:18.000 Get the fuck out of my two, are you?! 1.00

02:48:20.000 So that's the idea.

02:48:22.000 We're not trying to annihilate the self or say, this person, this human being you are, it's irrelevant or it's not worth this or that.

02:48:31.000 It's just, what is the circumference of your identity?

02:48:34.000 And that's the exploration, I think, that Buddhism invites people to do, or any religion that is real and good.

02:48:40.000 It's inviting people, like, find out what you are!

02:48:43.000 And then as a natural byproduct of that exploration, you become a little more gentle.

02:48:48.000 And because you're gentle, you're more effective.

02:48:51.000 That's where it gets really weird.

02:48:52.000 Gentleness seems to be quite often.

02:48:56.000 What was my friend saying? 1.00

02:48:57.000 He's like, you know, if my dogs are outside, I'm like, get the fuck out the fucking house! 1.00

02:49:01.000 They're not coming in. 1.00

02:49:02.000 But if I'm like, come on, come on, I love you, and you really mean it, they come running into the house.

02:49:07.000 Yeah.

02:49:07.000 So this is the thing.

02:49:09.000 It's like, the aggression stuff, it worked, man, because of the eagles and the tigers and all that shit. 0.96

02:49:13.000 You know what I mean? 0.91

02:49:14.000 Now maybe there's a new way to do it.

02:49:16.000 Yeah, and we're stuck.

02:49:17.000 We're stuck with the DNA that got us through how to survive the eagles and the tigers.

02:49:23.000 We needed it!

02:49:23.000 Yeah, we needed it.

02:49:24.000 Don't fucking, you know, don't like revile it or something. 0.98

02:49:28.000 Like, in fact, love it. 0.99

02:49:29.000 I think that's part of the appeal of the dad bod, part of the appeal of like...

02:49:36.000 Someone talking about unrealistic body expectations, you're really talking about less reliance on the flesh, the virility, the athletic ability,

02:49:52.000 the ability to conquer, the ability to breed and spread your genes and fight off predators and enemies and invaders.

02:49:59.000 It's not nearly as necessary as it used to be.

02:50:02.000 But necessary.

02:50:03.000 But necessary.

02:50:04.000 But the people who are not capable of it despise it because they think it's the problem.

02:50:09.000 They think the ability to conquer is the problem.

02:50:12.000 Yeah.

02:50:13.000 The strong.

02:50:14.000 And if everyone was weak, it's essentially the argument for socialism.

02:50:19.000 What's that?

02:50:19.000 Well, you don't have it.

02:50:21.000 If you don't have it and you see other people have it, like, I don't think anybody should have it.

02:50:24.000 How about that?

02:50:26.000 Oh, yeah, and it's also...

02:50:28.000 It's part of it.

02:50:28.000 Yeah, I do.

02:50:29.000 I mean, people have encountered...

02:50:30.000 The thing is, is like, take a person who has some chip on their shoulder about dudes with muscles, right?

02:50:37.000 If you look at it, that didn't happen by itself. 0.98

02:50:39.000 They didn't wake up one day and they're like, I fucking hate biceps. 0.53

02:50:42.000 What happened is, like, people with muscles... 0.96

02:50:45.000 Who were traditionally, like, ideally, like, meant to be warriors and protectors in a noble way.

02:50:53.000 They've gotten really aggressive.

02:50:54.000 Like, you see, and it's not all of them, but how many videos have popped up of, you know, a police officer. 1.00

02:51:01.000 I'll blow your fucking head off! 1.00

02:51:03.000 Get the fuck! 1.00

02:51:03.000 Sure. 1.00

02:51:04.000 Because the kid took a doll, you know?

02:51:05.000 Yeah, like that video we were talking about.

02:51:07.000 Yes.

02:51:08.000 So similarly, sometimes what's coinciding with the muscular thing is also a dominant, aggressive attitude, so the two have become mixed together.

02:51:19.000 Yes, to conflate them.

02:51:20.000 Yes, and if you've ever been around people who are real fighters, usually they're like the most gentle people you've ever met.

02:51:27.000 Super nice people.

02:51:28.000 And it's unnerving.

02:51:29.000 Because, you know, like Eddie Bravo, he's nice, man.

02:51:32.000 When I'm around him, like, I forget that I could just suddenly be dead.

02:51:38.000 I mean, if you didn't forget it, you'd be nervous around him all the time.

02:51:41.000 Like, you know, you're in a great conversation with him, enjoying his company, and then, like, you could just, that's it.

02:51:46.000 So, similarly, like, this is what happened.

02:51:50.000 So, the idea is, like, you've got a continuum of possible...

02:51:54.000 Ways that humans express themselves on one side you have the condition of like the noble warrior Which is a trained disciplined person who's literally putting themselves in front of others the samurai you talk about it a bunch You know who's fading into the background who doesn't even give a fuck if anybody knows they did anything heroic Because they've given up on that it's a very spiritual way of being well Then there's also the concern about the warmonger like why does the warmonger exist is the warmonger like the firefighter that starts their own fires?

02:52:23.000 A lot of the times, yeah.

02:52:25.000 Because they live for that.

02:52:25.000 They live for that experience.

02:52:27.000 Because that's what they desire.

02:52:28.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:52:29.000 If you want to sell umbrellas, you need it to rain.

02:52:32.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:52:33.000 But this is, again, corruption of a potential ideal, which is like, regardless of the fact that we've all kind of witnessed various...

02:52:44.000 There's examples in pretty much every profession of what it looks like when things aren't so great and imbalanced. 0.83

02:52:51.000 There's also examples of people who are the opposite of that, who are like completely, you know, in service, who like, you know, how many firemen got fucking incinerated in September 11th, man?

02:53:04.000 You know, and the truth is, I can't name, unfortunately, embarrassingly enough, I couldn't name one of them if you paid me to. 0.96

02:53:11.000 These are people who literally gave their entire life up, who went up that fucking thing. 0.98

02:53:15.000 They didn't think they were coming back down. 0.99

02:53:17.000 They're firemen.

02:53:18.000 They looked at that and they were probably like, yeah, I'm gonna die.

02:53:20.000 I bet I die today.

02:53:21.000 But they're like, if I don't do it, well, no one does it.

02:53:24.000 So that's an example of how good it can be and why we need it and what it can really be.

02:53:30.000 That's a sacred way to be.

02:53:32.000 And the exact same is true for pretty much every profession.

02:53:34.000 And yet, when aggression gets in there, It fucks it up.

02:53:38.000 It sours it.

02:53:39.000 It imbalances it.

02:53:40.000 And it's, like, ultimately completely ineffective, you know?

02:53:43.000 And it's also another version of selfishness.

02:53:46.000 Yeah, right.

02:53:47.000 Right?

02:53:48.000 What we were talking about before being the problem.

02:53:49.000 The real problem with naked aggressiveness.

02:53:52.000 Naked behavior, naked aggression, meaning unprovoked aggression, is that it's entirely selfish.

02:53:59.000 Like, I want what you have.

02:54:00.000 I take.

02:54:01.000 I conquer.

02:54:02.000 Yeah.

02:54:03.000 That is selfishness in its worst, most primal form.

02:54:07.000 That's right. 1.00

02:54:08.000 And on that note, we're going to wrap this bitch up. 1.00

02:54:10.000 Duncan Trussell, you're the fucking man. 1.00

02:54:12.000 You're the man! 1.00

02:54:13.000 I miss you.

02:54:13.000 Thanks for having me back on.

02:54:14.000 I miss you too, man.

02:54:15.000 We need to do this more often.

02:54:16.000 I hope we do.

02:54:16.000 We always say this.

02:54:17.000 And let's do a shrimp parade too. 1.00

02:54:18.000 Where's Chris Ryan? 1.00

02:54:19.000 He's driving that fucking van around the world? 0.99

02:54:21.000 Chris Ryan is going to come back here and lighten every... 1.00

02:54:24.000 Really?

02:54:24.000 Look at his picture.

02:54:25.000 Every picture he's getting further and further out in the woods.

02:54:28.000 Like, I don't know where he's like...

02:54:29.000 What is he doing?

02:54:30.000 I don't know!

02:54:31.000 I love you, buddy.

02:54:32.000 Love you too.

02:54:33.000 Bye, everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience - June 18, 2019

Joe Rogan Experience #1313 - Duncan Trussell

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