The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1316 - Abby Martin

00:00:02.000 Hello, Abby.

00:00:04.000 Hello, Joe.

00:00:04.000 What's going on?

00:00:05.000 Nothing much.

00:00:06.000 I saw you chilling with Oliver Stone the other day.

00:00:08.000 Yeah.

00:00:08.000 What was that like?

00:00:09.000 It was pretty cool.

00:00:10.000 He's an interesting guy.

00:00:12.000 Very interesting guy, yeah.

00:00:13.000 He likes to support radical politics, so he came out for the screening of the new film that we did.

00:00:18.000 Yeah, he's a very unusual character in that regard, right?

00:00:21.000 Because he's like this blockbuster movie maker guy, but he's also a pretty radical guy in the way in his politics and when he supports and...

00:00:31.000 Yeah, he was kind of like the black sheep of Hollywood for a while, you know, doing all the radical outlier of Hollywood, basically.

00:00:38.000 Yeah, but you saw the JFK movie, right?

00:00:40.000 Yeah, of course.

00:00:41.000 That was a weird one, right? 0.97

00:00:43.000 It's like, I kind of like it, but I'm kind of like, hey man, that fucking general wasn't even a real person. 0.94

00:00:48.000 Like, you made up a real person. 0.96

00:00:50.000 Like, you put him in there.

00:00:51.000 Like, that guy didn't exist.

00:00:53.000 Yeah.

00:00:53.000 A lot of the movies are really good.

00:00:55.000 Very good.

00:00:56.000 Very, very good.

00:00:57.000 But I get it.

00:00:57.000 He kind of needed to move it along for a 90-minute or two-hour movie, whatever it was.

00:01:02.000 I get it.

00:01:03.000 He kind of needed this little character to be dishing out the inside scoop, the Donald Sutherland character.

00:01:09.000 Yeah.

00:01:09.000 But in real life, there was no guy.

00:01:11.000 I didn't know that.

00:01:12.000 Yeah. 0.95

00:01:13.000 Goddammit, Oliver. 0.99

00:01:14.000 If you knew, would you...

00:01:15.000 Tricked again. 1.00

00:01:16.000 Would you be like, hey, motherfucker, what'd you do? 1.00

00:01:19.000 Why'd you add that guy? 1.00

00:01:20.000 Because it's weird, because people talk about that.

00:01:23.000 They say, hey, you know, in the Oliver Stone movie, they detailed all these things that happened, like, yeah, yeah, yeah, but they also added a guy that wasn't a real guy.

00:01:31.000 Right.

00:01:31.000 Well, I guess at the end of the day, it's a fictional film.

00:01:34.000 But how is it, if it's a real president who was shot by someone, and you're trying to explain who in your movie, and you have all these real characters, but then you got this one guy you just kind of shoved in there.

00:01:48.000 Mm-hmm.

00:01:49.000 Yeah, the professor.

00:01:51.000 What did he call himself in the movie again?

00:01:53.000 The Donald Sutherland character?

00:01:55.000 I do not remember.

00:01:56.000 I haven't seen it in years.

00:01:57.000 Yeah.

00:01:58.000 Because if I remember correctly, it was him kind of just filling in the gaps and kind of tying the narrative together.

00:02:03.000 I believe so.

00:02:04.000 Yeah.

00:02:04.000 They used him as a tool to kind of move the movie together.

00:02:08.000 Come on.

00:02:09.000 There's no other way to do that.

00:02:11.000 Make up a dude.

00:02:12.000 Brilliant-ass movie, though, right?

00:02:14.000 Very good movie.

00:02:15.000 I don't know.

00:02:15.000 What do you think happened?

00:02:17.000 The Oliver Stone story.

00:02:19.000 What do you think happened?

00:02:20.000 Right off the bat.

00:02:21.000 Why not? 1.00

00:02:21.000 Fuck it. 1.00

00:02:23.000 I don't know. 1.00

00:02:24.000 I mean, I think that...

00:02:25.000 But if you had a guess, if I gave you a hundred bucks, you said, all right, Abby, bet on red or bet on black.

00:02:30.000 Do you think Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone?

00:02:33.000 Or do you think that there was some sort of conspiracy involving various nefarious groups?

00:02:39.000 I think Oliver Stone's movie is closer to the truth than obviously what the official narrative is.

00:02:44.000 I think that if you look at all those high-profile assassinations in that era, I think a lot of them are highly questionable.

00:02:50.000 It doesn't just stop with JFK. We're talking about RFK. I don't believe that story at all.

00:02:57.000 Martin Luther King.

00:02:58.000 You know, I mean, all of these people, there's really, really sketchy things about all of them.

00:03:03.000 And if we were conducting, the CIA was conducting basically an assassination program around the world to expedite U.S. foreign policy and imperialism, why would we not have been doing that here at home?

00:03:14.000 You know, I mean, we know that Fred Hampton was killed outright, the leader of the Black Panther Party. 0.98

00:03:19.000 So all of these things are kind of make more sense when you look back at history and see how kind of out of control the CIA was at that time.

00:03:27.000 Yeah, I mean, it only makes sense that they would want to get rid of certain characters that were causing trouble.

00:03:32.000 You know, I had Mike Baker on, who used to work, he was a CIA operative, and he looked into the JFK, or excuse me, the Martin Luther King assassination, and he said that one, more than any other one that he looked into, seemed like something was really, because James Earl Ray was like a loser,

00:03:49.000 just like this shifty guy.

00:03:50.000 And then before the assassination, all of a sudden, he had money.

00:03:53.000 All of a sudden, it looked like he was being steered.

00:03:57.000 And he went into great detail about it.

00:03:59.000 I don't remember all the details, but he was shaking his head about it.

00:04:03.000 He's like, that one, out of any one that I looked into, had the fingerprints of manipulation on it.

00:04:08.000 Well, you know about his family, obviously, Martin Luther King's family that had that civil trial and basically concluded that the US government had to have been involved for the circumstances to have happened the way they did.

00:04:18.000 And if you look at how Martin Luther King at the time was considered the most dangerous, quote unquote, Negro in the country, that's what the government was saying about him.

00:04:26.000 I mean, he was hated, he was loathed.

00:04:28.000 He was trying to basically implement like a poor people's campaign to occupy D.C. to give poor people economic rights.

00:04:35.000 That was really, really threatening, I think, to the establishment at that time.

00:04:40.000 Also, you know, it's hard for us when we're thinking back about that era.

00:04:45.000 I mean, we weren't really – I mean, I was born in 67. You were born after that.

00:04:52.000 We don't understand that era.

00:04:53.000 That's a hundred years after slavery.

00:04:56.000 Just a hundred.

00:04:57.000 A person's lifetime.

00:04:58.000 A person's lifetime, yeah.

00:04:59.000 Kind of crazy.

00:05:00.000 Right.

00:05:00.000 And things still hadn't been resolved.

00:05:03.000 And then when you look at it now, I mean, Juneteenth, they had the congressional hearings and they're talking about reparations.

00:05:09.000 And you see just the different polarized sides of how people look at it even today.

00:05:17.000 Whether or not reparations should be given or whether or not there should be any Any sort of effort to rectify the obvious, if you look at the economic strife that's in these southern cities that are primarily African American,

00:05:34.000 that are really from slavery.

00:05:37.000 I mean, this is literally the remnants of slavery and it's never been fixed.

00:05:41.000 It's almost like any other problem that would be in our infrastructure, any other problem that would be in anything with, you know, Pollution or anything else that people clearly did, where someone did and fucked it up, there's efforts made to fix it, and there's discussions about it,

00:05:57.000 but this is so much resistance.

00:05:59.000 Right.

00:05:59.000 Ta-Nehisi Coates, I think his name is, he was testifying there.

00:06:02.000 And he was saying that, you know, the argument is we had nothing to do with this because, again, it was more than a person to go.

00:06:08.000 Why should we have anything to do with what slavery did?

00:06:12.000 And it's beyond that, though, as you're mentioning.

00:06:15.000 I mean, this is an institutionalized racism that we still see the effects of very starkly within the prison community, within, I mean, all these things.

00:06:23.000 And he said we were still paying out civil war soldiers' families' pensions.

00:06:28.000 I think?

00:06:38.000 It's a weird conversation because it's not just a conversation about whether or not something wrong was done, but it's also a racial conversation.

00:06:48.000 I've seen some weird posts like, you know Chuck Woolery, the guy who's from the Love Connection?

00:06:54.000 We'll be right back in 2 and 2. Remember that guy?

00:06:56.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:06:57.000 That guy has turned into this serious, hardcore, right-wing pundit.

00:07:03.000 And I think it was him that was tweeting about reparations for Union soldiers for their families that died fighting in the Civil War.

00:07:14.000 It was like, how about these people? 0.97

00:07:16.000 And then not saying, how about the fucking people who's brought over here from Africa in chains and their great-grandchildren are alive today in the same communities? 0.99

00:07:25.000 Well, it was the basis of our capitalist society. 0.99

00:07:28.000 I mean, that's why we're the richest country in the world, because it was predicated on the enslavement of Africans. 0.99

00:07:34.000 Yeah, I don't know if you can fix it by giving people money today, but I do think the money should be spent to try to fix those communities, and I think that can be engineered and done.

00:07:46.000 And I don't hear anybody talking about it, other than Tulsi Gabbard talks about it, and I think Bernie Sanders has made some indications that something should be done, although I don't know if anybody has a real definitive plan.

00:08:00.000 But when you talk to people that have, like, Michael Wood, who was a Baltimore police officer, I've told this story before, but it's a crazy story.

00:08:09.000 When he was a cop in Baltimore, they found these papers that showed that the exact, it was papers from the 1970s, the exact same crimes...

00:08:23.000 Wow.

00:08:28.000 Wow.

00:08:34.000 And you're out there dealing with the same problems that existed in the same exact areas, and no one's ever done anything to fix it.

00:08:42.000 We don't ever get to the root.

00:08:43.000 Just arresting people.

00:08:44.000 Yeah, we don't get to the root. 0.99

00:08:45.000 I mean, Tulsi and Bernie are the only candidates worth giving a shit about. 0.90

00:08:49.000 What about Buttigiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegiegieg How many candidates are there now? 0.95

00:08:57.000 I feel like two other ones just jumped in the race.

00:08:59.000 Who else? 0.98

00:09:00.000 I don't fucking know their names. 0.98

00:09:02.000 Do you know anyone beyond Buttigieg? 0.99

00:09:07.000 Beto O'Rourke.

00:09:08.000 Yeah, Beto.

00:09:09.000 Beto's on the way out, though.

00:09:10.000 He's too close to Beta.

00:09:11.000 It's too close.

00:09:13.000 He does look like he would be called that.

00:09:17.000 But his dad actually just openly said in an interview, he's like, yeah, I called him Beto because I wanted him to get the Mexican vote because I knew he would eventually run for office.

00:09:24.000 What?

00:09:26.000 His real name is like Robert.

00:09:27.000 Oh, Jesus Christ.

00:09:30.000 That sounds like a soldier.

00:09:31.000 I mean, these people are like a hundred shades of Hillary. 1.00

00:09:34.000 I mean, every single one of them other than Tulsi and Bernie just seem like they're just like Hillary Clinton, light or dark.

00:09:41.000 Well, they've also done this weird thing where they're like, no straight white men.

00:09:46.000 Like, okay.

00:09:47.000 There's like straight white men. 0.61

00:09:49.000 We're not voting for straight white men. 0.83

00:09:50.000 Okay. 0.78

00:09:51.000 That's just as bad as saying you're never voting for a woman. 0.98

00:09:55.000 That's just as bad as saying you're never voting for a black person. 0.97

00:09:59.000 I get it.

00:09:59.000 There's been a lot of straight white men that have been president.

00:10:01.000 I get it.

00:10:02.000 You're right.

00:10:03.000 But to say no straight white, to disqualify someone based on something they have no control over whatsoever is a form of discrimination.

00:10:11.000 I know you don't think it's a form of discrimination because so many of these people have already had that job.

00:10:15.000 I get it.

00:10:16.000 It seems unfair.

00:10:17.000 You're right. 0.94

00:10:18.000 But you can't say that, because that's a shitty way of thinking. 0.98

00:10:21.000 It's piss-poor logic and thinking. 0.98

00:10:24.000 It's discriminatory.

00:10:25.000 It's identity politics.

00:10:26.000 Yes.

00:10:26.000 It reigns supreme.

00:10:28.000 It's so dumb. 0.99

00:10:28.000 And I saw there was, like, combating supporters from Kamala Harris and Bernie at some rally or something, and they just kept shouting, we need a woman president! 0.99

00:10:39.000 It's like, that's the only reason why you like Kamala Harris, you know?

00:10:43.000 Kamala Harris...

00:10:45.000 I saw this one speech that she was giving where she was talking about forcing children to attend school by holding their parents accountable where she instituted a policy where if the kids miss school the parents could be arrested. 0.61

00:10:59.000 Do you know about that?

00:11:01.000 No.

00:11:01.000 It was super disturbing.

00:11:03.000 It was super disturbing.

00:11:05.000 And she was talking about how effective it was.

00:11:08.000 And that, you know, they had cops show up at the door of the woman's house who was a single mom who had these children and the kids weren't going to school. 0.98

00:11:17.000 Like, hey, no.

00:11:19.000 She was a cop.

00:11:21.000 I mean, she's a top cop.

00:11:22.000 Exactly.

00:11:23.000 But that authoritative, authoritarian nonsense, like that way of thinking, you know why you do that?

00:11:28.000 Because no one's ever done that to you. 0.99

00:11:29.000 Somebody ever knocked on your fucking door and said, hey, we're going to lock you up in jail because you're a 16-year-old boy when you have three kids. 1.00

00:11:36.000 Listen, if you're a single mom, anyone who's a single mom who has a boy knows, and that fucking boy hits puberty. 1.00

00:11:41.000 If they run with the wrong crowd, good fucking luck trying to control them. 1.00

00:11:45.000 Good luck. 0.99

00:11:46.000 It's hard.

00:11:46.000 It's real hard.

00:11:47.000 And if she's got a job or two jobs, maybe, because she's trying to put food on the table and keep the fucking lights on, and you're going to arrest her because her kid doesn't show up at school? 1.00

00:11:55.000 Holy shit. 0.99

00:11:56.000 Can you imagine looking at all the problems in our country and being like, you know what? 1.00

00:11:59.000 We need to arrest parents if their kids are truant.

00:12:01.000 Yeah.

00:12:01.000 It's insane.

00:12:03.000 I mean...

00:12:04.000 Make sure I'm right about that.

00:12:05.000 I'm 99% sure I'm correct about that.

00:12:08.000 They're talking about her regret about this policy in 2013. Maybe because she's running for fucking president. 1.00

00:12:14.000 You should regret something like that. 1.00

00:12:15.000 You want to hear another insane policy?

00:12:18.000 Going back to Robert O'Rourke.

00:12:19.000 There it is.

00:12:20.000 The human cost of Kamala Harris' war on truancy.

00:12:23.000 The progressive prosecutor wanted to transform how California responded to students missing school.

00:12:28.000 Parents like, I don't know how to say her name, Cherie Peoples wound up paying the price. 0.99

00:12:34.000 So this lady probably wound up going to fucking jail. 1.00

00:12:37.000 Yeah, and there was a good reason. 0.99

00:12:40.000 Her kid was sick or something, and she...

00:12:43.000 So Beto, no, let's not call him Beto anymore.

00:12:46.000 His name's Robert.

00:12:47.000 Robert, yeah.

00:12:48.000 Robert actually has a really great idea, Joe.

00:12:50.000 He wants to tax non-military families to pay for veterans' health care.

00:12:54.000 What?

00:12:55.000 And to pay for veterans.

00:12:56.000 Yeah, isn't that nice?

00:12:57.000 So punish the people who don't want to join the military.

00:13:00.000 What?

00:13:00.000 Very smart.

00:13:02.000 Robert, 2020. How about punish the fucking people who make the weapons, who influence the politicians? 1.00

00:13:08.000 Let's tax the defense contractors. 1.00

00:13:09.000 Find out what the military-industrial complex is really made of.

00:13:12.000 Find out how much money they're really making and saying, hey, look at you guys.

00:13:16.000 You made X amount of billions of dollars.

00:13:19.000 And look at all these guys that we have to fund.

00:13:22.000 We have to rely on charities and we have to rely on things like the Wounded Warrior Project and all these foundations that are taking care of these veterans when you're the ones who are profiting.

00:13:31.000 I mean, that's where the money should come from.

00:13:35.000 It's not like they're poor. 0.99

00:13:36.000 These are fucking insanely rich organizations. 0.98

00:13:39.000 Yeah, their stocks have tripled in the last four years. 0.99

00:13:41.000 They're doing real well.

00:13:42.000 When we had that situation where Dick Cheney, who was the CEO of Halliburton, was giving Halliburton no-bid contracts to go over and fix places that we bombed, it's like, what?

00:13:55.000 That is like a doctor breaking people's legs so he can fix them.

00:13:59.000 It's It's so crazy!

00:14:01.000 And then driving around in a Porsche. 0.99

00:14:03.000 It's fucking crazy. 0.98

00:14:04.000 Yeah, well, Trump was sitting down at some table with all the head defense contractors a couple months ago, and it was after the Khashoggi dismemberment in the embassy. 0.99

00:14:13.000 And he was openly talking about how we cannot stop that $110 billion weapons deal.

00:14:19.000 And you should see just the glee on these people's faces.

00:14:23.000 I mean, it's just unbelievable how transparent it is, especially under Trump.

00:14:27.000 That was a weird conversation.

00:14:28.000 Who was he being interviewed by?

00:14:30.000 Oh, Steve Hilton, my friend.

00:14:32.000 I know Steve Hilton.

00:14:33.000 I've known that guy forever.

00:14:35.000 We're actually family friends. 0.99

00:14:36.000 Our families have gone on vacations together and shit. 0.98

00:14:39.000 It's a good guy. 0.99

00:14:39.000 Is that the Fox News guy? 0.99

00:14:41.000 Is that the Hilton heir?

00:14:42.000 No, it's...

00:14:44.000 I don't know. 1.00

00:14:44.000 Where the fuck is his name? 1.00

00:14:45.000 Paris Hilton's dad? 1.00

00:14:47.000 Oh, okay.

00:14:47.000 No, he's British.

00:14:49.000 But...

00:14:50.000 He was interviewing Trump, and they were talking about...

00:14:54.000 And Trump was openly discussing how these people want to go to war.

00:14:58.000 The military-industrial complex wants to go to war.

00:15:01.000 I mean, Trump's saying that he didn't want to have anything to do with this, but that they want to go to war.

00:15:06.000 And it's like... 0.98

00:15:08.000 Trump is a weird guy, because he's such a loose cannon, that he says shit like that, that Obama would keep in his cards. 0.99

00:15:16.000 Obama would hide his cards. 0.99

00:15:17.000 But Trump, hate him or love him, He gives you glimpses that you're not going to get as far as what kind of influence does the military-industrial complex really have on policy change and decision-making and whether or not they take action.

00:15:33.000 And he was openly discussing it.

00:15:35.000 He removes the mask.

00:15:37.000 It's interesting because I think that he's talking out of both sides of his mouth because on one hand he says that kind of stuff.

00:15:44.000 But then on the other hand, he hired all the most...

00:15:47.000 I think we're good to go.

00:16:08.000 All of these efforts.

00:16:09.000 I mean, it's like starting a fire and then getting applauded and congratulated when you stop the fire at the last minute before it erupts and takes over the whole planet.

00:16:18.000 And that's what would happen if we actually did bomb Iran. 0.92

00:16:20.000 I think that people don't understand how precarious the situation is that Trump and these cronies have laid out.

00:16:27.000 Not just is, but came so close to being a reality just a week ago.

00:16:32.000 You mean you don't think we should go to war for bombing oil tankers and Saudi oil tankers? 0.62

00:16:37.000 You don't think we should go to war over that?

00:16:39.000 For shooting down a robot?

00:16:40.000 Yeah.

00:16:40.000 They shot our robot.

00:16:42.000 That's it. 0.69

00:16:42.000 I would die for Saudi oil tankers. 0.69

00:16:45.000 I'd be the first one to put my body on the line.

00:16:47.000 There was a lot of people that were saying this seems like the Gulf of Tonkin too.

00:16:50.000 They were like, I'm not buying this at all.

00:16:52.000 There were so many people that were like really kind of credible people who were openly saying this stinks.

00:16:57.000 Like it just seems staged.

00:16:59.000 It seems like some big, like why would they do that? 0.99

00:17:03.000 It's total false flag shit going on over and over and over again. 0.97

00:17:06.000 They're just trying so hard because they want to provoke Iran to the point where Iran will be forced to respond. 0.99

00:17:12.000 And this is after suffocating, asphyxiating sanctions that are costing people's lives.

00:17:18.000 What is it?

00:17:19.000 For the folks at home that haven't been paying attention to this, what is it that makes them want to go to war with Iran?

00:17:26.000 So, we have to just look at what Iran is.

00:17:29.000 I mean, Iran just won its independence less than 100 years ago in a wave of anti-colonial struggles, and we immediately, the MI6 as well as the CIA, instigated a coup.

00:17:41.000 So we always talk about how we want Iran to have democracy.

00:17:43.000 They had democracy.

00:17:45.000 They had a revolution, a people's revolution that was overthrown.

00:17:48.000 We overthrew Mohammad Mosaddegh and instated an absolute monarchy. 1.00

00:17:52.000 For decades and at the time it had the highest human rights abuses documented in the world.

00:17:57.000 It was pretty unique in that sense and you know you can only imagine why Iran is the way it is today and there was such a suppression of the left and of the Communist Party in Iran that the Islamic Revolutionary Revolution happened and the Ayatollah was the leader of that political movement and that's why Iran has the political system it has today.

00:18:19.000 But it's about the oil, man.

00:18:20.000 It's always about the oil and it's always about the foreign domination of the region. 0.66

00:18:24.000 They hate that Iran is an independent country and doesn't bow down to U.S. imperialism and U.S. capitalism.

00:18:31.000 And Iran also is allies with a lot of states that Israel and the U.S. and Saudi Arabia do not want it to be allies with, you know, Hezbollah, Hamas.

00:18:40.000 And so that's a big problem for the U.S. and it's getting in the way of a lot of kind of goals in the region.

00:18:48.000 I think?

00:19:12.000 On Iran. 0.60

00:19:13.000 And now, you know, sanctions every month just continuing to constrict their economy and even basically sanctions on threatening sanctions on China and India and other countries that actually do deals with Iran now too, which is totally insane.

00:19:27.000 So once you do that, And then you say, you know, you're hitting yourself.

00:19:31.000 You're hitting yourself.

00:19:32.000 Why are you doing this?

00:19:33.000 It's like, no, you're doing this to them.

00:19:35.000 And on top of that, John Bolton keeps saying, you know, there's all these unique threats coming from Iran.

00:19:39.000 We need to surround them with all these warships. 0.99

00:19:41.000 And they keep sending thousands of more troops, thousands more troops.

00:19:44.000 So you're getting to a position now, and now the drone, right?

00:19:47.000 We're flying a drone into Iranian airspace and expecting that they're not going to shoot that down. 0.98

00:19:52.000 Why the fuck are we flying a drone in Iran? 0.99

00:19:55.000 What the fuck would we do if Iran flew a drone in here? 1.00

00:19:57.000 I mean, it's just unbelievable the chauvinism and arrogance of the US to be doing all this shit and then be like, okay, now you guys are a belligerent threat. 1.00

00:20:06.000 We have to do something. 1.00

00:20:07.000 It's like, no, you guys are the ones encircling them.

00:20:11.000 Enclosing all of their, you know, basically just encapsulating their entire territory and threatening them over and over and over again, basically hoping for something to happen.

00:20:20.000 And if you look back at the Gulf of Tonkin, there was a guy who was actually on the USS Maddox, the ship that was eventually attacked and got us into the war with Vietnam.

00:20:30.000 And he even said, my dad was on the ship and he said, we had no idea why we were there.

00:20:36.000 And one of the generals or captains on the ship just said, they want us to be hit.

00:20:41.000 They want us to be attacked so they can get into a war that they want to get into.

00:20:45.000 And that's exactly what's going on. 0.99

00:20:46.000 And what's sad is whoever's in the Navy circling Iran, they're going to be the ones who fucking die when Iran does launch back. 0.98

00:20:53.000 They're sacrificing themselves for these generals and defense contractors' profits. 0.94

00:20:58.000 Now, there's some reason to believe that Iran is not being honest about its nuclear program, right?

00:21:03.000 I mean, that was one of the reasons why it wasn't that...

00:21:05.000 What was the virus that the United States...

00:21:08.000 Stuxnet?

00:21:08.000 Yeah, Stuxnet virus that they put on the Iranian nuclear program to kill it while they were in the middle of doing whatever they do to uranium.

00:21:17.000 Right, the centrifuges for the enriching uranium.

00:21:20.000 I mean, yeah, that was also crazy.

00:21:23.000 Cyber attacks.

00:21:24.000 Right.

00:21:24.000 But the cyber attacks, weren't they effective though in stopping the nuclear program?

00:21:29.000 There was like a secret nuclear program that they were doing?

00:21:32.000 I don't know what exactly they – I don't think that there ever was a nuclear program, but I know that that was another crazy thing that the U.S. did was basically infect their thing and destroy all of this technology.

00:21:43.000 But I mean – It's not a joke.

00:22:09.000 No, dude, you're starting fires all over the world, and then you get applauded and you want to congratulate yourself because somehow he's still kind of appealing to this non-interventionist line, which is just fake to me, because you don't appoint the most rabid, war-hungry people to surround you and to carry out these policies if you don't want that to a certain extent.

00:22:28.000 Well, it also created this really weird ideological rift where people were complaining that he didn't do anything.

00:22:36.000 And people were upset that he was going to take action and he didn't.

00:22:40.000 About the drone?

00:22:41.000 Yeah.

00:22:42.000 About the drone and about the attacking of the oil tankers and that he was ready to launch and then he didn't.

00:22:48.000 And wasn't one of the Fox guys that was talking about the consequences of taking no actions?

00:22:54.000 Was it Brian Kilmeade or one of those guys?

00:22:56.000 The media is insane.

00:22:58.000 The media has been attacking him.

00:23:00.000 And the Democrats, too.

00:23:01.000 The media and the Democrats always attack this administration from the right whenever there's some sort of military involvement.

00:23:07.000 They always want him to bomb and go to war.

00:23:10.000 It's pretty shocking.

00:23:11.000 I mean, I guess not too shocking when you realize the corporate media is literally subsidized by oil companies and banks and defense contractors.

00:23:18.000 But it's pretty crazy.

00:23:20.000 You didn't have to deal with that at RT, but what do you think happens when someone is a pundit and they're on a television show and they're talking about something that has these global implications?

00:23:31.000 Do you think they get talking points?

00:23:33.000 Do you think they're allowed to express their own personal opinions or are they informed that they're supposed to toe a certain line?

00:23:41.000 I think there's varying levels.

00:23:43.000 I think that it would be naive to say, okay, these people are paid to lie.

00:23:47.000 I think that the vast majority of people working in corporate media are lackeys for the empire.

00:23:52.000 They really truly believe that, you know, they believe that America is the greatest country in the world.

00:23:57.000 They believe that we're the world's policemen.

00:23:59.000 They actually believe that these countries are evil and they need to be taken out.

00:24:03.000 I think? 0.96

00:24:30.000 And there's all this destruction going on from on behalf of your government and you're not challenging that, especially when it's war claims, especially when you have assholes like John Bolton claiming, you know, all these things are happening in these channels and bodies of water and people are just like, okay, I mean, 0.99

00:24:46.000 goddamn, you should see when fucking Mike Pompeo was talking about how Hezbollah was in Venezuela. 0.99

00:24:53.000 And these people just printed it. 1.00

00:24:55.000 They're like, well, Hezbollah's in Venezuela now.

00:24:57.000 It's like, what are you talking about?

00:24:59.000 You're literally just printing what the Trump administration's saying without even questioning these claims.

00:25:05.000 It's disturbing.

00:25:06.000 Do you think that the people that are talking about it on TV are just saying it because...

00:25:11.000 They really don't understand what they're talking about, and this just seems to be a way to cover the subject in sort of a way that is acceptable to the network and acceptable to the party and acceptable to this sort of ideology, whether it's left or right,

00:25:27.000 whatever ideology they're participating in.

00:25:30.000 Yes, there is definitely that as well, where they know kind of the line that they can't cross.

00:25:36.000 So even if you individually believe, you know, you think that climate change is an existential threat, you think that the war in Yemen is a serious thing that you should address, I think that you definitely get kind of knocked down in the editorial meeting before, and you're just like, okay, no, I can't do that.

00:25:51.000 But what I can do is just, you know, talk about whatever...

00:25:54.000 It's so weird.

00:25:56.000 The advertisers will agree with.

00:25:57.000 In this day and age, there's not a really respected, independent source of news.

00:26:03.000 Right.

00:26:04.000 You've got the online stuff, which is...

00:26:10.000 Some online stuff is very good, but some online stuff is so entangled with insults and bullshit and emotions and distorted perceptions and ego that it sort of discredits whatever they're trying to promote,

00:26:30.000 whatever ideas they're trying to get across.

00:26:32.000 There's no Walter Cronkite.

00:26:34.000 There's no...

00:26:35.000 There's no one person or no one organization who you emphatically trust with their perspective on the news.

00:26:44.000 Everything is either left or right.

00:26:46.000 Everything is flavored by an ideology.

00:26:49.000 I don't have a place that I go to that I know I can get clear, unbiased...

00:26:57.000 Emotion-free, objective analysis of any international issue.

00:27:02.000 Right.

00:27:02.000 It doesn't exist.

00:27:04.000 I mean, unless you can tell me of one.

00:27:05.000 What do you go to?

00:27:06.000 I mean, I go to Real News.

00:27:07.000 I go to Democracy Now!

00:27:10.000 And the only reason...

00:27:11.000 But Democracy Now!

00:27:11.000 is super left-wing, right?

00:27:12.000 Left-wing leaning, but you think they're...

00:27:14.000 Left-leaning.

00:27:14.000 I mean, I go to places that are not...

00:27:16.000 This is the problem with capitalism and trying to have an independent media is that you need funding.

00:27:21.000 And you need funding from donors and grassroots sources because once you get funded by these right-wing billionaires and corporations and states and governments, then it becomes very ideologically driven.

00:27:34.000 And then you're kind of just catering toward what those interests want you to present.

00:27:37.000 And that's why The Empire Files does what it does.

00:27:41.000 We're basically based on donations now because Trump's sanctions on Venezuela shut down the show.

00:27:46.000 Right.

00:27:46.000 A year ago.

00:27:47.000 So we did a big donation drive.

00:27:49.000 Are you guys on Patreon?

00:27:50.000 Patreon.

00:27:51.000 We're on GoFundMe and just PayPal.

00:27:54.000 But we're just trying to survive on a very minimal budget because I don't want to lobby to corporations or states or go that route because I don't want to...

00:28:06.000 Yeah.

00:28:26.000 You know, New York Times, Washington Post, these so-called beltway publications that pretend to be like the arbitrators of our objective reality, they are the premier advocates of fake news when it comes to US foreign policy, you know, American exceptionalism and corporations and like the corporate line.

00:28:44.000 They're always the ones towing the things that basically prop up the system.

00:28:49.000 And so I think people, you know, became really, really just attracted to that whole fake news mantra that Trump was saying because people have an extreme distrust in the corporate media because of the Iraq war, because of all these things that have happened.

00:29:03.000 But as you know, and as you've talked about extensively, Joe, this wave of censorship that has happened in the last two years since Trump got elected because of Russian propaganda and fake news hysteria.

00:29:15.000 And it's just propped up these same institutions, and it's really just gone after a lot of alternative and independent media that have gone by the wayside.

00:29:25.000 And, you know, people who have been propped up by right-wing billionaires and billionaires in general are not going to be affected at the end of the day, but all of the people who have been caught up in this censorship with the algorithms, with the deplatforming...

00:29:37.000 It's really scary.

00:29:39.000 It's really, really scary what's happened.

00:29:42.000 It is scary to me because the internet in my eyes is this unique place where people can get information and distribute information.

00:29:52.000 And then on top of that you have this...

00:29:57.000 Almost parasitic entity that is allowing you to distribute information and gather information through it, but also controlling the flow of information.

00:30:09.000 Mm-hmm.

00:30:14.000 I think we're good to go.

00:30:17.000 I think we're good to go.

00:30:35.000 We'll call people alt-right and just change our algorithms to make it much more difficult for them to propagate their ideas.

00:30:43.000 I just find that really distressing because I think that in the marketplace of ideas, You're supposed to be able to combat a bad idea with a better idea.

00:30:57.000 And this is how ideas evolve.

00:31:00.000 This is how people get to communicate.

00:31:02.000 You get to look at what someone's saying, look at how someone's dissecting what someone's saying, and then, for yourself, figure out what you believe and what you don't believe.

00:31:11.000 And there should be a free exchange of information so that you can figure that out.

00:31:15.000 And when someone's shown to be a bad actor or a liar or have deceptive news, fake news, whatever you want to call it, okay, now we know, and this is a clear example of that, so now take it with a grain of salt whenever they say anything about anything else.

00:31:29.000 But when you de-platform them and shove them aside, they say, see, they're trying to silence us because they don't believe us or they don't want us to be in power because they're trying to prop up whatever left-wing socialist economy or dictator that they want to put into place.

00:31:45.000 And it's this weird sort of situation where you've got people dictating and almost engineering our culture.

00:31:52.000 Right, curating our reality.

00:31:54.000 You know what's going on in Toronto with Alphabet, the parent company of Google?

00:31:58.000 No.

00:31:59.000 It's a very disturbing thing to a lot of people, where they're essentially setting up blocks, and they're putting cameras in these places, and they're gathering data and information, and they're trying to engineer a utopian city.

00:32:13.000 Yeah, I was reading about it yesterday, and I was like, no!

00:32:17.000 Like, this is a terrible idea. 0.95

00:32:19.000 Google is so fucking terrifying. 0.71

00:32:20.000 What if these people don't want to be filmed? 0.97

00:32:23.000 What if these people don't want information gathered about them?

00:32:27.000 Like, they're doing it under the guise of, here it is, Alphabet's plan for Toronto depends on huge amounts of data.

00:32:33.000 Yeah, we need more data collection, data mining.

00:32:36.000 Their idea is that they're going to make it easier for people to get around and smoother.

00:32:41.000 But how?

00:32:42.000 By, like, facial recognition?

00:32:43.000 I love how they always say, oh, people are being sex trafficked and this will help.

00:32:47.000 It's like, no, dude, this is like.0001% of all the people that you're, you know, data mining.

00:32:53.000 It says, Sidewalks Labs released more detailed plans for Toronto, the site of Google's sister company's first attempt to bring its techified digital-forward sensibility to a full-scale development project.

00:33:05.000 The Sidewalks Lab...

00:33:16.000 Oh, God. 1.00

00:33:18.000 God damn these motherfuckers. 1.00

00:33:21.000 Spectally, it can work in backlash from local advocates. 1.00

00:33:24.000 The company has a 1,524-page master plan for the 12-acre lot called Quayside. 0.99

00:33:32.000 First of all, I hate the fucking name. 0.99

00:33:33.000 What is it, though? 1.00

00:33:34.000 What is Quayside?

00:33:35.000 Four-volume plan highlights ambitious and sometimes flashy innovations from Sidewalk Labs, which has pledged to spend $1.3 billion on the project if it goes forward.

00:33:44.000 The company hopes to construct all the buildings with timber, which it says is better for the environment.

00:33:49.000 It also catches fire.

00:33:53.000 We're good to go.

00:34:12.000 Do you know what Waymo is?

00:34:13.000 No.

00:34:14.000 Delivery robots might trundle down its wide sidewalks.

00:34:17.000 The strategic use of very large umbrella-like coverings might make outdoor spaces comfortable all year round.

00:34:24.000 No small feet in Lakeshore, Canada.

00:34:26.000 Sidewalk wants to designate 20% of the apartments as affordable and another 20% as middle income.

00:34:35.000 So they're engineering a city.

00:34:37.000 This is by people who are really...

00:34:40.000 Just openly social justice warriors.

00:34:43.000 I mean, these are the people that censored that James Damore guy and fired him for having this memo that really kind of discussed women in tech based on evolutionary biology, based on studies.

00:34:56.000 And they said that he was highlighting harmful gender stereotypes, which is not true.

00:35:01.000 It's not accurate.

00:35:02.000 If you look at what he actually said and what he actually wrote, he even had a page and a half dedicated in that memo trying to come up with strategic ways to encourage women to get into technology.

00:35:12.000 The paper that James Damore wrote has no relation to the way he's been framed and the way people talk about him.

00:35:20.000 This is a direct result of Google.

00:35:22.000 And Google's social justice warrior...

00:35:29.000 We're good to go.

00:35:47.000 I mean, Google, I agree with David Pacman's kind of depiction on Google.

00:35:52.000 I think that they're a giant corporation.

00:35:54.000 They have billions offshore and tax havens, and they...

00:36:23.000 Why do they do that?

00:36:26.000 Deregulation, to lobby for kind of the deregulation of their industry.

00:36:30.000 So I think that all of the perception and the mantra of Google and YouTube and, you know, catering to like the social consciousness and, you know, what you're talking about, I think is honestly just to make more money.

00:36:43.000 Well, I'm sure they're going to make more money in the process of doing this, but the idea that they're going to engineer a city to me is terrifying.

00:36:50.000 That's insane.

00:36:51.000 I just don't like it.

00:36:52.000 You know, there was a great podcast that Sam Harris did with the guy who was explaining what Google has essentially done and what they've done with data.

00:37:03.000 The data is essentially a commodity that we didn't know was a commodity.

00:37:06.000 And we all gave up our rights to this commodity.

00:37:08.000 And this commodity, it turns out, is worth billions and billions of dollars.

00:37:12.000 And no one had any idea.

00:37:14.000 And they just took it.

00:37:15.000 And now they have it.

00:37:16.000 And they have it.

00:37:17.000 And what are they giving you for this?

00:37:19.000 They let you search things?

00:37:20.000 Like, what are they giving you for this?

00:37:21.000 They let you use their email?

00:37:23.000 It's kind of crazy.

00:37:25.000 They search your email for certain keywords, and all of a sudden, you're looking for a patio chair.

00:37:30.000 You know, like, I'm looking to buy a patio chair. 0.97

00:37:32.000 And all of a sudden, your fucking Google mentions are filled with patio chairs because you sent an email to a friend. 0.99

00:37:35.000 It's really, really creepy. 0.99

00:37:36.000 Or just talk about something.

00:37:37.000 Yeah, talk about it.

00:37:38.000 Yeah.

00:37:39.000 Yep.

00:37:39.000 Yeah.

00:37:40.000 My guest yesterday, my friend Will Harris, he was talking about trading in his car. 0.99

00:37:45.000 And he got a fucking text message. 0.99

00:37:48.000 A text message that said, hey, I hear you're looking to trade in your car. 1.00

00:37:53.000 That is so crazy.

00:37:53.000 You know, here's a link as to what you could get for it.

00:37:58.000 And he goes, I'm not clicking that fucking link. 0.72

00:38:00.000 Like, a text message with a link showed up on his phone because of something he was talking about. 0.97

00:38:05.000 He wasn't even talking on the phone.

00:38:07.000 That's what's crazy.

00:38:08.000 That's really, really scary. 0.99

00:38:09.000 It's fucking insane! 0.99

00:38:10.000 Yeah, no, that's terrifying. 0.99

00:38:11.000 What is happening?

00:38:12.000 How is that happening?

00:38:13.000 Does anybody know how that happens?

00:38:14.000 Right.

00:38:15.000 Like, if you and I were talking right now, and you said, I need a new laptop, and you started getting laptop ads in your Google feed, what is happening?

00:38:23.000 Is your phone listening to you say that?

00:38:24.000 Yeah.

00:38:25.000 Yep.

00:38:26.000 Is that legal?

00:38:27.000 No, I mean, it combs through everything. 0.90

00:38:29.000 I mean, that's what's so fucking scary about it.

00:38:32.000 And Apple is the best at it in terms of, like, not giving up your data.

00:38:36.000 It's one of the reasons why I still use an iPhone and support Apple.

00:38:39.000 Apple goes out of their way to not share your data when you use Maps. 0.85

00:38:44.000 That's why Apple Maps suck.

00:38:46.000 It's one of the reasons why it's not good. 0.99

00:38:48.000 There was a fucking great article that was written about it that called Apple Maps the Bing of navigation tools. 0.90

00:38:56.000 It's like, you know, Bing, the search engine for... 1.00

00:38:58.000 Who the fuck uses that? 0.98

00:38:59.000 I use a Windows laptop. 0.99

00:39:01.000 I use Bing. 0.99

00:39:02.000 The fuck out of here with that. 0.97

00:39:03.000 Because Google's better. 0.79

00:39:05.000 So you just automatically use it.

00:39:06.000 But Google's just constantly collecting data.

00:39:09.000 Going back to this whole tech censorship thing, they preemptively changed the algorithm.

00:39:15.000 That's what's so scary to me, is that there wasn't even a law.

00:39:18.000 Like China, we all know that China censors the internet.

00:39:22.000 We've done the same thing here, but people just think that we still have freedom of information, that we can all access all these things.

00:39:27.000 No.

00:39:28.000 I mean, Google, YouTube, because YouTube is owned by Google now, but they preemptively changed the algorithms.

00:39:34.000 They backpaged all of this progressive media, independent media.

00:39:38.000 So it wasn't just...

00:39:40.000 About what they're saying.

00:39:41.000 It's about, I mean, this was targeted to basically all extreme views.

00:39:45.000 Everything that they felt like was too radical.

00:39:47.000 I mean, going back to the DNI report, which is where this all started from, this kind of conclusive report that they said these 17 intelligence agencies, you know, here's all the evidence of how Russia colluded and cost the election for Hillary.

00:40:00.000 They cited my show on Breaking the Set.

00:40:03.000 You did it?

00:40:03.000 Yeah, they said I was part of the conspiracy of Russian meddling.

00:40:07.000 Did you Russian meddle? 0.97

00:40:09.000 Abby Martin, are you a Russian medalist?

00:40:11.000 I just did what Putin told me to do, man.

00:40:12.000 I mean, I'm sorry.

00:40:14.000 Someone should take that and use it as a snippet.

00:40:16.000 But in the report, it said she fomented radical discontent.

00:40:21.000 And when you look at what all this is, sowing discord, all of these, you know, the black box algorithm from Hamilton 68 dashboard, like this U.S. government funded Twitter platform.

00:40:36.000 Yeah, I think.

00:40:52.000 Expunging the most radical views on the internet to prop up essentially the system and the establishment.

00:40:58.000 And that's why I know it's not a liberal or conservative thing.

00:41:01.000 It's literally just extremist thought and radical thought that challenges the status quo.

00:41:08.000 Because sowing discord just means disagreement.

00:41:11.000 That's what they said this was about.

00:41:13.000 These websites sow discord, Joe.

00:41:16.000 I mean, I thought that was a fundamental thing about American democracy is that you talk about what we disagree on.

00:41:21.000 And when you look at what the report says of what Breaking the Set covered, DMT, I mean, that wasn't in the report.

00:41:27.000 You were on there talking about DMT. We talked about aliens.

00:41:30.000 We talked about who the fuck we wanted. 0.99

00:41:32.000 But because I talked about things like inequality and Occupy Wall Street and Hillary Clinton, that was all part of this grand conspiracy to sow discord on behalf of the Russian government. 0.98

00:41:43.000 So it becomes very comical once you kind of poke at the underlying narrative driving Are you aware of Renee DiResta's work?

00:41:53.000 Did you ever pay attention to it?

00:41:54.000 No.

00:41:55.000 She was on my podcast and she detailed what the IRA did, the Internet Research Agency did in Russia.

00:42:01.000 And it was really fascinating.

00:42:03.000 They set up like a fake Black Lives Matter account and then they would talk about how as black Americans we can't vote for Hillary Clinton because of this.

00:42:16.000 And they started, they developed these communities, these really large online pages, whether it was on Facebook or Instagram or whatever it was, where they spoke as like a southern separatist or as a Muslim.

00:42:31.000 Yeah, I mean, they had dozens of them.

00:42:33.000 And they developed these communities, and they developed these communities, and they would set up these organizations, and then they would have events where they had one where they had a Texas secession event directly across the street from a Muslim pride event, and they did it on purpose so that they would fight. 0.77

00:42:50.000 They put them across the street from each other.

00:42:52.000 They organize these Facebook pages and these events.

00:42:54.000 And then these people show up.

00:42:56.000 These people that are Texas and say, we should leave the union.

00:42:58.000 You know, we can.

00:42:59.000 Texas is a republic.

00:43:00.000 And then they have these other people online.

00:43:02.000 They want, like, Muslim rights and they want the Sharia law.

00:43:04.000 And they put them right next to each other.

00:43:06.000 And they're literally engineering argument.

00:43:09.000 And they're engineering fighting.

00:43:11.000 And the idea was that someone wanted this argument.

00:43:17.000 Right. 1.00

00:43:33.000 You know, talking shit. 1.00

00:43:34.000 And that this is what we need to do. 1.00

00:43:36.000 We need to radicalize.

00:43:37.000 They had Antifa groups.

00:43:38.000 They had all these different groups.

00:43:38.000 Right, right.

00:43:39.000 I mean, Israel and Saudi Arabia do the same thing except way more dramatic.

00:43:42.000 We do that.

00:43:42.000 I'm sure we do it.

00:43:43.000 I'm sure the government's doing it right now.

00:43:45.000 It's fascinating that we just focus in on Russia when, my God, this is happening on every front.

00:43:49.000 I mean, look at going back to Pete Buttigieg. 0.98

00:43:52.000 I don't know the fuck you say his name, but he has like hundreds of sock puppet accounts that are We're all propping each other up on Twitter. 0.98

00:43:59.000 He does? 0.99

00:43:59.000 Oh my god, I just saw... 0.99

00:44:00.000 It's like, blacks for Pete Buttigieg, gays for Pete Buttigieg. 1.00

00:44:05.000 So who's making these? 0.94

00:44:07.000 I mean, I guess he thought that that was, I don't know, injected with corporate money, that he's just like, all right, make a hundred sock puppet accounts.

00:44:13.000 It's like... 0.96

00:44:14.000 Everyone does this shit, but when we focus in on just Russia, and then of course you have the removal of Syrian accounts, you have the removal of Pro Maduro accounts on Twitter, why is it only that we're talking about our so-called enemies, that these are the people who are sowing discord and fomenting radical discontent? 0.99

00:44:32.000 What about all the other countries that we do it all over the world? 0.99

00:44:35.000 What about all the other countries that are doing the same thing? 0.99

00:44:37.000 So if he really does have these sock puppet accounts that are doing this, that are pretending that these are just fans, that's some sleazy shit. 1.00

00:44:45.000 Yeah, it's sleazy as hell. 0.99

00:44:46.000 I mean, that's as sleazy as it gets, in my opinion. 1.00

00:44:50.000 That's some dirty shit. 0.99

00:44:52.000 You're pretending you're a person who's just an independent person who's supporting you, when really just is an employee who's there for some propaganda purposes. 1.00

00:45:00.000 And especially the identity politics thing, all of the different groups, marginalized groups, support you.

00:45:06.000 Yeah.

00:45:07.000 It's all fake.

00:45:08.000 Well, the crazy thing is, you saw that town hall after the shooting.

00:45:13.000 A cop shot this guy. 0.99

00:45:15.000 And everyone's saying, how the fuck are you going to run for president when you can't even run a city? 0.99

00:45:20.000 Right. 0.99

00:45:21.000 Yeah.

00:45:21.000 Doesn't he have a job?

00:45:22.000 This is what I'm confused about.

00:45:23.000 These people have jobs.

00:45:25.000 Right.

00:45:25.000 Big jobs.

00:45:25.000 Why are they running for president?

00:45:27.000 Giant jobs.

00:45:27.000 Who's running the city while he's there?

00:45:30.000 What's going on?

00:45:31.000 Yeah.

00:45:31.000 Imagine?

00:45:32.000 Right.

00:45:32.000 If I just said, hey, I'm not going to do this podcast anymore.

00:45:35.000 I'm going to go get Brian Callen.

00:45:37.000 He's going to be me from now on.

00:45:39.000 And I'm going to run for president.

00:45:40.000 Yeah, just jump in the race, Joe.

00:45:41.000 You might as well.

00:45:42.000 Hey, this is Brian Callen from the Joe Rogan experience.

00:45:44.000 Like, what? 0.99

00:45:45.000 People would be like, what the fuck is happening here? 0.99

00:45:47.000 It's like Bill de Blasio. 1.00

00:45:48.000 It's like, you have a fucking city to run. 0.99

00:45:50.000 Why are you running for president? 1.00

00:45:51.000 How can you? 1.00

00:45:52.000 The fucking metro's falling apart, dude. 1.00

00:45:54.000 How much time do you spend actually being mayor, you piece of shit? 1.00

00:45:56.000 Give that money back. 1.00

00:45:57.000 Dude, they just want the book deals.

00:45:59.000 They want to go on The View.

00:46:00.000 They want to have a reason to be relevant.

00:46:01.000 The View. 0.71

00:46:02.000 It's disgusting. 0.92

00:46:03.000 It's pretty gross. 0.89

00:46:04.000 It should be illegal.

00:46:05.000 Meghan McCain.

00:46:06.000 It really should be. 0.99

00:46:07.000 If you really want to do it, you should quit your fucking job, whatever you have, and dedicate 100% of your time to doing that. 0.99

00:46:12.000 If you think that you could have that, first of all, everyone knows what a grueling thing it is to run for president. 0.99

00:46:18.000 It is a fucking time-consuming, massive commitment to your energy. 0.96

00:46:24.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:46:24.000 How can you do that and also be the mayor of South Bend? 0.99

00:46:27.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:46:27.000 You just have to be on the phone begging for donations when you're not, you know, jumping on tables like Robert O'Rourke is all over the country.

00:46:33.000 It's a lot of work.

00:46:34.000 Yeah, there's no way you're running that city. 0.99

00:46:36.000 And how fucking crazy are these people's egos? 0.98

00:46:38.000 I mean, they say that Trump is this existential threat, that he's the next Hitler, he's mentally incapacitated, yet they all jump in the race because they think they're the smartest people in the world. 0.99

00:46:47.000 So it's like, I mean, Bill de Blasio, it's like, really?

00:46:51.000 Yeah.

00:46:52.000 They're pulling so low.

00:46:54.000 Drop out! 0.95

00:46:55.000 Dude, this is all to try to prevent Bernie from winning.

00:46:57.000 It really is.

00:46:59.000 Who makes sense to you?

00:47:00.000 Does Bernie make sense?

00:47:01.000 Bernie is my guy.

00:47:02.000 Bernie's my guy through and through, and I'll tell you why. 0.99

00:47:04.000 Because, A, we need Medicare for All, we need to abolish student debt, and that shit, you just tax Wall Street gambling, done. 0.99

00:47:11.000 Medicare for All, cut the military budget, done. 0.99

00:47:14.000 I don't want to live in a country where people are rationing insulin.

00:47:19.000 I think?

00:47:37.000 About Gulf War Syndrome, about just a political revolution as needed.

00:47:42.000 I mean, he's been talking about that since he won the Senate seat initially.

00:47:46.000 And you can't really say the same thing about any other candidate.

00:47:49.000 And I do like what Tulsi Gabbard is saying, and I do like some of the things Elizabeth Warren's saying, but it seems like she's just making it up on the fly and adopting kind of Bernie-lite policies.

00:47:59.000 And I think this is all a strategy to siphon all the delegates away from Bernie because we already know this third-way corporate Wall Street-funded organization that's like corporate Democrats have said they want anyone but Bernie.

00:48:11.000 Bernie is the biggest threat to the establishment by far.

00:48:14.000 Did you see when Charlemagne called Elizabeth Warren the original Rachel Dolezal to her face?

00:48:21.000 See, she doesn't have a chance! 1.00

00:48:23.000 She doesn't have a chance with the Trump shit. 1.00

00:48:26.000 All Trump has to say is Pocahontas over and over again. 1.00

00:48:29.000 What's hilarious to me is they say Pocahontas is racist. 1.00

00:48:32.000 It's a fucking Disney movie. 1.00

00:48:35.000 How can Pocahontas be racist? 1.00

00:48:37.000 Elizabeth Warren fucked up. 1.00

00:48:38.000 She really, really screwed up. 1.00

00:48:40.000 That's a big fuck up. 1.00

00:48:41.000 It's a really big screw up. 0.99

00:48:42.000 And then she wound up getting the DNA test.

00:48:44.000 I am 200 times more African than she is Native American. 0.63

00:48:49.000 I'm 1.6% African.

00:48:51.000 The ego of these people, man.

00:48:52.000 The ego of these people.

00:48:54.000 It's like she's just so upset that Trump...

00:48:56.000 It's so nuts that she went and got jobs saying she was Native American.

00:49:01.000 I mean, yeah, it's one thing to say I have Native American blood.

00:49:04.000 It's another thing.

00:49:05.000 And I don't know how much, you know, ancestry, Native American ancestry she has, but I do know that she was, you know, that was on like her Harvard bio and all this stuff.

00:49:15.000 And it's just like, what is going on?

00:49:16.000 What is going on?

00:49:18.000 James talked about it.

00:49:24.000 You're a professor?

00:49:28.000 He thought he was.

00:49:30.000 A lot of people thought he was.

00:49:31.000 My wife thought she was.

00:49:32.000 My wife thought she was part Native American.

00:49:34.000 So she got her DNA done.

00:49:36.000 She's like, oh, hmm. 1.00

00:49:37.000 Bunch of fucking liars. 1.00

00:49:38.000 Elizabeth Warren's more Native American than your wife. 1.00

00:49:40.000 That was the thing.

00:49:41.000 I think my wife's still more Native American. 0.84

00:49:43.000 She's a little bit.

00:49:44.000 But that was the thing where people were like, they wanted it to be spiritual.

00:49:50.000 They would say they were part Native American.

00:49:51.000 They wanted it to be extra cool.

00:49:53.000 Whoa, my Native American blood.

00:49:55.000 Oh, I smell when wolves are coming.

00:49:57.000 You know, like you put your ear to the ground.

00:50:00.000 You know when it's going to rain.

00:50:01.000 Right.

00:50:02.000 They felt like they were more connected to nature.

00:50:05.000 It's like some weird thing.

00:50:06.000 I remember in high school, like when kids wanted to be cool, they would say they were part Native American.

00:50:11.000 You're like, oh, wow.

00:50:12.000 Well, the Native American community came out after she got the DNA test and they said, this does not make you native.

00:50:19.000 Native is much more than like whatever percentage of your blood.

00:50:22.000 I mean, native is a way of life.

00:50:24.000 It's a culture.

00:50:25.000 You have to grow up in it. 0.77

00:50:26.000 And it was really kind of gross.

00:50:31.000 That whole thing was just bizarre.

00:50:32.000 Well, what was gross is, even after the testing, she was trying to use that as proof that she was correct. 0.99

00:50:39.000 And then people who analyzed the data are like, are you fucking crazy? 0.98

00:50:42.000 You know how small this percentage is? 0.99

00:50:44.000 This is an insanely small percentage.

00:50:46.000 But she was saying that Trump needed to give her a million dollars because of the fact that she did take the test.

00:50:50.000 Like...

00:50:51.000 It was insulting to the Native community. 1.00

00:50:53.000 It was embarrassing all around.

00:50:54.000 And it was also just weird that she even did it at the behest of Trump.

00:50:58.000 Like, why did you do that?

00:51:00.000 He gotcha.

00:51:01.000 But she had to do it because he kept saying it over and over and over again.

00:51:04.000 I feel like she's a politician.

00:51:06.000 And I say that in the most unflattering of terms.

00:51:10.000 I feel like she's one of those people that just says what needs to be said in order to get elected.

00:51:14.000 Exactly.

00:51:15.000 That's what it seems like.

00:51:16.000 Where I don't get that impression from Tulsi at all.

00:51:18.000 I don't feel like that's who she is.

00:51:20.000 I feel like she's a veteran who did two tours in the Middle East and who's a congresswoman from Hawaii who really wants to do good.

00:51:30.000 I mean, I really do think that what she's... 0.93

00:51:32.000 And she doesn't take any corporate money. 0.97

00:51:33.000 None.

00:51:34.000 She wants this... 0.56

00:51:36.000 She wants this job because she thinks she can do a better job than what has been done before and the other people that are running for it.

00:51:42.000 I really believe her.

00:51:43.000 She makes sense to me.

00:51:45.000 What do you think about Bernie?

00:51:46.000 I like a lot of things Bernie says.

00:51:48.000 You know what I think is interesting now that people are mad at him that he's rich.

00:51:52.000 That he made a lot of money off his book.

00:51:54.000 And he said, you go write your own book!

00:51:56.000 Make your own money!

00:51:59.000 I mean, there's a lot of, you know, criticisms that people lobby against him.

00:52:04.000 What I like about him socially is...

00:52:08.000 That what he is standing for is the downtrodden.

00:52:12.000 He's standing for the people that don't catch a good break.

00:52:15.000 When he starts talking about things like income inequality, I'm like, okay, I understand what you're doing and why you're saying it, but what is the cause of income inequality?

00:52:26.000 That's what we need to find out.

00:52:27.000 We need to find out what's the cause.

00:52:29.000 Why are these poor communities the way they are?

00:52:32.000 That needs to be helped.

00:52:33.000 That needs to be fixed.

00:52:35.000 There's so much that can be done that's not being done and at least he seems to be calling out to the people that are ignored, that aren't being served by Wall Street.

00:52:51.000 Right.

00:52:52.000 I mean, a big problem is when automation happened, wages stopped going up with inflation and then credit subsidized all of the wages.

00:53:01.000 And that's why people are just indebted to credit cooker companies.

00:53:04.000 We're up to our ears in debt.

00:53:06.000 And he does talk about that and he talks about the solutions to that.

00:53:10.000 But you're totally right.

00:53:10.000 I mean, what other candidate of these 25 people Andrew Yang.

00:53:19.000 Andrew Yang is.

00:53:21.000 I like what Andrew Yang is saying.

00:53:23.000 He, again, like Tulsi, does not seem like a politician.

00:53:27.000 I believe him.

00:53:28.000 He's an entrepreneur and a businessman, and he's warning everyone. 0.98

00:53:31.000 He's like the fucking Paul Revere of automation. 0.95

00:53:35.000 He's like, you know, look, Professional intelligence is coming and you're going to be out of jobs. 0.99

00:53:39.000 The fucking half the country is going to be out of jobs. 0.79

00:53:42.000 And we can actually figure out a way to get through this. 0.93

00:53:44.000 And there's a bridge that we can make.

00:53:47.000 And through this universal income, universal basic income, you can develop a bridge where you can give people their basic needs.

00:53:53.000 Food, water, shelter.

00:53:54.000 Give them food.

00:53:56.000 Make sure that no one's starving.

00:53:57.000 Even though people are out of jobs, make sure that their needs are met so then they can go and find a way through this mess and then figure out a way to contribute and make an income and make a living and adjust.

00:54:08.000 But to have nothing.

00:54:10.000 To have nothing?

00:54:10.000 What is that?

00:54:12.000 You can't just have people out of work because of automation.

00:54:15.000 And people go back to the industrial age.

00:54:17.000 Well, hey, that happened during this and that.

00:54:20.000 Yeah, okay, it did. 0.99

00:54:21.000 But it didn't work out well for all those fucking people that lost those jobs back then. 0.96

00:54:24.000 We shouldn't have to go through that massive, chaotic situation again if there's a way to engineer a better way through it. 0.94

00:54:32.000 I don't know if universal basic income works.

00:54:34.000 You know, I've talked to a lot of people that think like Naval, he was on my podcast recently.

00:54:41.000 And his perspective is it doesn't give people meaning.

00:54:44.000 And it's not a good idea.

00:54:45.000 Because you need a life.

00:54:47.000 If you want people to be happy and you want to be able to do something, they need to have meaning in their time and what they do.

00:54:53.000 Just to give people money is not going to make people happy.

00:54:55.000 I think it's a band-aid.

00:54:57.000 Yeah, I think it's a band-aid.

00:54:58.000 I agree with the concept that Yang proposes about UBI. But yeah, I think that if we give people health care and have their basic needs met, then that It's going to give them the ability to maneuver to find their passion and to be able to have that space where they can fulfill their lives.

00:55:16.000 Yes.

00:55:16.000 And I think there's a way to do both.

00:55:18.000 There's a way to find meaning and have your needs kept.

00:55:21.000 I mean, the idea is that I don't think that people should get free money to the point where they could live a full, rich life and go on vacations and have a nice car and a nice house and never have to work again.

00:55:38.000 It doesn't make any sense.

00:55:39.000 You should contribute.

00:55:40.000 Everyone should contribute.

00:55:42.000 But if you're in a job that's going to be completely annihilated by automation and artificial intelligence, I don't know what that would be.

00:56:05.000 You know, and when I talked to Tulsi about that, she didn't know what that would be either.

00:56:09.000 This idea of trying to promote new jobs.

00:56:11.000 People say that.

00:56:12.000 We're going to create new jobs.

00:56:14.000 I hate that expression.

00:56:15.000 Like, what does that mean?

00:56:16.000 If there's not a job, how are you going to create a new job?

00:56:19.000 Well, look at our infrastructure. 0.99

00:56:20.000 I mean, goddamn. 0.99

00:56:21.000 Fix all that, right? 1.00

00:56:21.000 I mean, good God. 1.00

00:56:22.000 We've been giving an F like every year by the Army Corps of Engineers saying, Shit's falling apart, dude. 0.99

00:56:28.000 I mean, look at the New Deal. 0.99

00:56:29.000 Look at what FDR did.

00:56:30.000 And that's what Bernie keeps saying.

00:56:31.000 He's like, I'm literally instating an economic bill of rights that FDR did 100 years ago.

00:56:36.000 Why am I considered a radical extremist when I'm just trying to give people basic economic rights and trying to propose jobs to rebuild this country?

00:56:46.000 Yeah.

00:56:46.000 What happened to that promise that Trump levied during the campaign?

00:56:50.000 You know, he talked about our infrastructure crumbling.

00:56:52.000 What the hell's been done on that front?

00:56:53.000 Nothing.

00:56:54.000 And also, the big one is the economy, like the debt, rather.

00:56:59.000 Like how much we're in debt?

00:57:00.000 We're in debt more.

00:57:01.000 Oh my god, yeah.

00:57:03.000 Crippling $1.6 trillion for student debt alone.

00:57:06.000 That's insane.

00:57:07.000 What do you think about the people that are calling out to try to eliminate student debt?

00:57:10.000 I'm 100% on board.

00:57:11.000 Do you think that's possible?

00:57:12.000 Absolutely.

00:57:12.000 And you just tax Wall Street gambling.

00:57:15.000 Literally, that can do it alone.

00:57:17.000 You do not have to pay.

00:57:18.000 What do you mean by Wall Street gambling?

00:57:19.000 Bernie laid it all out.

00:57:21.000 I just read this morning on the way here, so I don't know the full proposal.

00:57:25.000 But Wall Street just makes billions of dollars.

00:57:28.000 I don't know how often, but just betting on these... 1.00

00:57:32.000 Trading and shit.

00:57:33.000 Like, Wall Street just makes so much money and if we just taxed Wall Street or, you know, like you're talking about taxing these defense contractors or actually trying to change the laws to not have these corporations hide billions of dollars offshore in tax havens, it solves all of these problems pretty quickly. 0.97

00:57:52.000 And it's not a matter of how can we do it.

00:57:55.000 It's a matter that we have to do it because students are totally crippled.

00:57:59.000 There's no opportunities in this country.

00:58:01.000 Inequality is the highest that it's been since the Great Depression.

00:58:03.000 And that's a huge problem.

00:58:05.000 We're not going to be able to get people opportunities at all or a better life.

00:58:09.000 It's also so crazy that you do that to people that are 17 years old.

00:58:12.000 Right.

00:58:12.000 They don't have any idea what it's going to be like to be 35 and be a quarter million dollars in debt.

00:58:17.000 Did your parents have student debt?

00:58:19.000 Yeah.

00:58:19.000 They did?

00:58:20.000 Yeah, my stepfather was in debt when he graduated from school.

00:58:25.000 It just seems like it's getting so exponentially worse.

00:58:28.000 But not bad.

00:58:28.000 Yeah, I mean, he handled it.

00:58:30.000 But what you have today, if you don't have any grants and you just try to go to school based on loans...

00:58:43.000 Greg Fitzsimmons was here.

00:58:44.000 What was he saying?

00:58:45.000 His kids were—it was $60,000-plus a year for each one of his kids?

00:58:49.000 $62,000, I think, a year.

00:58:50.000 Yeah.

00:58:50.000 For each one of his kids.

00:58:52.000 And then there's no jobs once you go and, you know, go to school.

00:58:55.000 Right.

00:58:56.000 I mean, especially if you have anything technologically related.

00:58:58.000 The idea that at the end of four years, the technology is going to be relevant.

00:59:02.000 It's crazy.

00:59:03.000 Right.

00:59:03.000 Exactly.

00:59:04.000 Here's the crazy thing.

00:59:05.000 We all know that kids, human beings, their frontal cortex doesn't even fully develop by the time they're 25, until they're 25. Wow.

00:59:13.000 I smoked way too much weed before then.

00:59:15.000 How much smarter could I have been?

00:59:17.000 I'm so lucky that I only smoked weed like maybe six times before I was 30. Really?

00:59:24.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:59:24.000 When I was 30, I became a stoner.

00:59:26.000 I was not a pothead at all. 0.98

00:59:27.000 I thought it was for losers. 0.87

00:59:29.000 And a lot of people that don't smoke pot think that. 1.00

00:59:32.000 They think it just makes you lazy and stupid. 1.00

00:59:34.000 But being lazy and stupid, it turns out, makes you lazy and stupid. 1.00

00:59:37.000 It's not actually a pot. 1.00

00:59:39.000 Turns out it was not the pot.

00:59:41.000 Turns out it's not the pot.

00:59:42.000 It was you!

00:59:42.000 But yeah, I tell everybody, just don't do it when you're a kid.

00:59:45.000 Or if you do do it, don't do it often.

00:59:47.000 Right. 0.99

00:59:48.000 I mean, I don't think it's, you know, like if you're fucking 18 years old, you smoke weed once in a while with your friends, I don't think you're going to get fucked up. 0.99

00:59:55.000 But, like, everyday stoners, it's terrible for you. 0.99

00:59:58.000 It's just, you're in a fog.

00:59:59.000 Like, you need to be able to deal with reality.

01:00:01.000 But, like I always say, it's a tool.

01:00:04.000 Use it.

01:00:05.000 Use it correctly. 0.99

01:00:06.000 Don't, you know, don't try to do everything with a fucking hammer. 0.99

01:00:09.000 Sometimes you need a screwdriver. 0.99

01:00:11.000 Sometimes you need a saw. 1.00

01:00:12.000 Don't just batter your fucking life with weed. 0.99

01:00:14.000 But occasionally, you smoke a weed, smoke a joint, rather, and, you know, you have a meal with a friend, and you feel like... 0.99

01:00:21.000 More close to them, communication's fun, you're warm and friendly.

01:00:27.000 It's a great...

01:00:28.000 I don't want to call it a drug, because I don't like that expression, this blanket that we throw over amphetamines and sedatives and all these different things, and you throw marijuana in there.

01:00:37.000 It's a sacrament, and I think it should be used in the most general and lightest use of that term as a sacrament.

01:00:45.000 I like to use it.

01:00:47.000 I like to use it for certain things.

01:00:49.000 But it's definitely not something you should use all the time.

01:00:51.000 It's definitely not something you should use as a kid.

01:00:54.000 And I see a lot of kids that are smoking every day.

01:00:58.000 I'm like, man, I don't think that's a good idea.

01:01:00.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:01:01.000 I mean, it's used as a crutch more and more because I think people are just trying to numb out what the hell is going on.

01:01:05.000 But, hey, better that than pills.

01:01:08.000 Right.

01:01:08.000 You know, better that than alcohol.

01:01:10.000 Oh my god, dude.

01:01:11.000 I just read something about how death by suicides is going up in the U.S. and it's going down in almost every other country in the world. 0.98

01:01:19.000 It's like a uniquely fucked up problem. 0.99

01:01:22.000 Everything, man. 0.99

01:01:23.000 I mean, it's the same reason why so many people are- It's all Trump.

01:01:27.000 It's the same reason why people are dying on, you know, ODing on prescription pills. 0.99

01:01:31.000 It's like America is uniquely fucked in so many reasons. 0.98

01:01:35.000 And I think it can be the lack of healthcare. 0.98

01:01:38.000 It's that we're, you know, the center of global capitalism.

01:01:41.000 I mean, there's a lot of reasons why...

01:01:43.000 It's also the empty pursuit.

01:01:47.000 It's an empty pursuit.

01:01:49.000 And when you get there, it doesn't feel good.

01:01:52.000 You just keep trying to chase in more and gather more things.

01:01:55.000 Just like that study that shows there's a cap on happiness.

01:01:59.000 It doesn't make you happier when you have more money at a certain point.

01:02:03.000 I 100% am in agreement with that.

01:02:06.000 Doing something you love is what makes you happy.

01:02:09.000 Having good friends and having family and people that you love, that makes you happy.

01:02:13.000 Doing things that you find rewarding and helping people, that's the weird one.

01:02:19.000 Helping people makes people happy.

01:02:23.000 People are like, yeah, you've got to look out for yourself.

01:02:25.000 You've got to take care of business.

01:02:26.000 Turns out, no.

01:02:28.000 Looking out for other people is super rewarding.

01:02:31.000 It's a selfish thing to be generous and kind.

01:02:36.000 Selfish in a lot of ways because it really helps yourself. 0.99

01:02:38.000 Well, that's the whole mantra of growing up in America is you need to help yourself and you're a loser if you don't get rich and all this shit. 0.95

01:02:45.000 It's all these impossible goals that we can't do without actually help from each other. 0.99

01:02:51.000 You know the biggest losers?

01:02:52.000 Rich people who are sad. 0.98

01:02:54.000 Right. 1.00

01:02:55.000 Goddamn! 1.00

01:02:55.000 Right. 1.00

01:02:55.000 You're rich and you're still depressed? 1.00

01:02:58.000 Yeah.

01:02:58.000 You're super successful and you're still depressed?

01:03:01.000 Like, wow, you built a shitty house. 1.00

01:03:04.000 Like, your foundation sucks. 1.00

01:03:06.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:03:07.000 You know what I mean?

01:03:08.000 Because your foundation, who you are as a person, the way you treat people, the way you view the world, the way you love your friends and your family, that's your foundation.

01:03:19.000 And if you become successful and you have that foundation, I feel like you can still be happy. 0.99

01:03:24.000 But if you become successful and you just shit that foundation away because you just wanted to make it, I'm just going to make it, fuck all that stuff, I don't need that, I don't need love, I don't need any of that. 0.98

01:03:33.000 And then you make it and you're just sitting there alone. 1.00

01:03:36.000 It's just like a fucking tomb. 0.99

01:03:38.000 I think that's why a lot of people like Trump because they think of him like, I've actually heard this term, like a blue-collar billionaire. 1.00

01:03:44.000 And it's like, what?

01:03:45.000 He was given a million.

01:03:47.000 If everyone's given a million dollars from their pappy.

01:03:50.000 It's a couple million.

01:03:51.000 Yeah, a couple million from their daddy.

01:03:54.000 Yeah, you'd probably have it a lot better off.

01:03:56.000 A small loan of a couple million.

01:03:57.000 No big deal.

01:03:59.000 Unbelievable, dude.

01:04:00.000 To him, that is a small loan now.

01:04:02.000 That's what's really bizarre.

01:04:03.000 Yeah, I think Matt Taibbi described him best. 1.00

01:04:06.000 He's like what a stupid poor person thinks of as a rich person. 1.00

01:04:10.000 Oh my god, yeah. 1.00

01:04:12.000 And his idea is just to throw money at everything, like the Palestine-Israel thing.

01:04:15.000 Did you see Jared Kushner's whole layout of like, this is the new peace plan?

01:04:19.000 No.

01:04:19.000 Oh my god.

01:04:20.000 It's literally just, let's give them...

01:04:28.000 What's interesting to me is that even right-wing Trump supporters, in particular, right-wing Trump supporters, do not seem to like them.

01:04:36.000 Do not seem to like Jared Kushner or Ivanka.

01:04:39.000 They don't like the fact that his daughter is working at the White House and that the son-in-law is there running things like that.

01:04:45.000 They're very disturbed by that.

01:04:46.000 They don't like that.

01:04:47.000 Yeah, nepotism. 1.00

01:04:48.000 I mean, what's weird is they just blow at the fucking wind, man. 0.99

01:04:51.000 I saw Fahrenheit 11.9. 0.98

01:04:53.000 Totally recommend it to everyone who's listening.

01:04:55.000 Michael Moore's newest documentary.

01:04:57.000 Oh my god, it's amazing.

01:04:59.000 But the first 20 minutes just shows how Hillary lost. 0.98

01:05:02.000 And it shows that Jared Kushner actually lobbied to have sicko in theaters all across the country.

01:05:07.000 I mean, he was for socialized medicine.

01:05:09.000 And he was working hand-in-glove with Michael Moore to roll this out.

01:05:13.000 It just shows you how fickle they are and how they just have no actual values.

01:05:17.000 Just trying to make money.

01:05:18.000 Yeah, just trying to make money.

01:05:19.000 He was like, this is a great idea!

01:05:20.000 You know, his voice is really high.

01:05:21.000 He's like, this is really good!

01:05:22.000 We should have...

01:05:23.000 It's weird.

01:05:24.000 Yeah, it's super weird, man.

01:05:26.000 I see the two of them together.

01:05:27.000 It's a very strange couple. 0.98

01:05:28.000 I can't believe they have sex. 0.93

01:05:29.000 You think they do? 0.63

01:05:30.000 No. 1.00

01:05:31.000 I think he jerks off in a cup. 0.99

01:05:33.000 She gets a turkey baster and she squirts it in there and she kicks him. 1.00

01:05:42.000 Remember how, in Fair Night 11.9, he shows just how bizarre and inappropriate Trump is with Ivanka, but there's this one talk show where the host is just like, Ivanka, she's like, what do you have most in common with your dad?

01:05:54.000 And she's like, real estate and golf. 0.95

01:05:56.000 And she's like, Trump, what do you have most in common with Ivanka? 0.69

01:05:58.000 And he's like, well, I would say sex. 0.95

01:06:01.000 Whoa. 0.92

01:06:02.000 Yeah.

01:06:03.000 It's like, what father says that?

01:06:07.000 Well, imagine that.

01:06:09.000 Like, what do you have most in common with your baby? 0.99

01:06:10.000 Sex. 0.97

01:06:12.000 We have a lot of that in common. 0.78

01:06:14.000 We have a lot of that in common.

01:06:15.000 That's it.

01:06:16.000 Just in common.

01:06:17.000 What?

01:06:18.000 That's such a crazy thing to say. 1.00

01:06:19.000 It's super just Freudian, like, I want to fuck her, but I can't because she's my daughter. 1.00

01:06:23.000 He just says so many crazy things. 1.00

01:06:26.000 I think that guy is just always talking.

01:06:29.000 When you're always talking, you don't ever get a chance to really contemplate what you're saying.

01:06:33.000 You're always just talking.

01:06:35.000 So many times during the campaign trail, it just seems like he would say things, and then you would just have to justify what he said.

01:06:41.000 I've done that when I was younger. 1.00

01:06:43.000 I would say something stupid, and then I would have to try to figure out how to make that stupid thing make sense. 1.00

01:06:47.000 Right. 1.00

01:06:48.000 Trump's just constantly going.

01:06:50.000 Yeah, but I was 20. Like a seven-year-old man.

01:06:54.000 Let's hear it.

01:06:59.000 Ivanka, what's the favorite thing you have in common with your father?

01:07:03.000 Either real estate or golf.

01:07:06.000 Donald, with your daughter?

01:07:08.000 Well, I was going to say sex, but I can't relate that to that.

01:07:15.000 That's the crazy thing is he thought about it and decided he wasn't going to say it.

01:07:19.000 I was going to say sex. 1.00

01:07:20.000 I was going to say sex and everyone's like, oh shit! 1.00

01:07:23.000 Maybe that's because he's on Wendy Williams and he wanted people to scream. 1.00

01:07:27.000 Just a good opportunity to say sex. 0.94

01:07:30.000 Oh, it's the Wendy Williams show! 0.99

01:07:31.000 He went crazy!

01:07:32.000 He went there! 1.00

01:07:37.000 But there's a whole montage of creepy shit that he said. 1.00

01:07:40.000 He would date her when she was a baby. 1.00

01:07:42.000 He was like, she's going to grow up and hopefully have big tits or whatever. 1.00

01:07:45.000 He said really insane. 1.00

01:07:48.000 And he hates Tiffany.

01:07:50.000 He hates Tiffany because she's not attractive. 0.95

01:07:51.000 Why does he hate Tiffany?

01:07:52.000 Because she's not attractive. 0.99

01:07:54.000 Oh, that's the one he had with Marla Maples?

01:07:56.000 Is that the other daughter?

01:07:58.000 Good point.

01:07:59.000 I don't actually know who Tiffany is.

01:08:01.000 I think he had her with Marla, who's very attractive, so it's weird.

01:08:05.000 That is weird.

01:08:06.000 Something happened.

01:08:07.000 Some sort of cross-inbred breeding...

01:08:11.000 Lightning storm.

01:08:12.000 But he just pretends like she doesn't exist.

01:08:14.000 It's kind of sad.

01:08:16.000 Well, what are you going to do? 0.99

01:08:17.000 Look, I don't know how the fuck you can pay attention to anything. 0.99

01:08:21.000 I don't understand how a president is still a job. 0.99

01:08:25.000 I mean, it was a great job when Lincoln was running things, you know, and probably extremely chaotic.

01:08:30.000 But with today's economy, when you're dealing with all these different threats to the environment, cyber... 0.99

01:08:35.000 Threats, the economy, all the shit they have to deal with. 0.97

01:08:40.000 The idea that one person is supposed to be the general manager of the company. 1.00

01:08:44.000 It's absurd.

01:08:45.000 It's completely absurd.

01:08:46.000 And the pardoning power, usually that's supposed to be like sympathy pardons for people like Chelsea Manning, not for war criminals who have killed a bunch of civilians.

01:08:55.000 Like, what?

01:08:56.000 I mean, that's basically saying...

01:08:58.000 Has he done that yet?

01:08:59.000 Is he...

01:09:00.000 He's talking about it.

01:09:02.000 This is the seal.

01:09:03.000 Yeah, this is like more than just the seal.

01:09:05.000 I mean, he's contemplating actually pardoning the Nassir Square massacre Blackwater employees. 0.99

01:09:09.000 It's like, what the fuck is going on here? 0.98

01:09:12.000 But that's, to me, that's like sending a message to soldiers, like, act like ISIS and you'll be fine, I'll pardon you. 0.98

01:09:18.000 Meanwhile, look at what he's doing to Julian Assange.

01:09:20.000 This is like going beyond the pale.

01:09:23.000 The Julian Assange thing is weird, because I thought that he would be a guy that would want Julian Assange out.

01:09:29.000 Talking out of both sides of his mouth, he said how many times during the campaign trail, WikiLeaks!

01:09:33.000 I love WikiLeaks!

01:09:35.000 But then you look back before the campaign, he said Julian Assange should get the death penalty on Fox and Friends back in the day.

01:09:41.000 But again, I think he probably thought about that a microsecond before he said it, and then how to justify it.

01:09:46.000 You know what I mean? 0.96

01:09:48.000 He's just talking crazy.

01:09:49.000 He probably had eight cups of coffee, four Red Bulls, two diet pills, and just went out there and...

01:09:54.000 So scary, though.

01:09:56.000 I mean, Assange, it's beyond the pale because now you're not just prosecuting whistleblowers with the Espionage Act.

01:10:02.000 You're actually prosecuting publishers.

01:10:04.000 That's like a whole level of direct assault on the first...

01:10:09.000 On journalism.

01:10:10.000 I mean, he's a legitimate journalist in that regard.

01:10:13.000 What he's doing is he's distributing information that is literally going to change the way people view the way the government and the military work.

01:10:22.000 I mean, it's incomprehensible how much the world has changed and what we are aware of because of WikiLeaks' revelations in the past 10 years.

01:10:30.000 I mean, even just the film that I just made, Gaza Fights for Freedom, I cite a WikiLeaks cable about how Israel wanted Hamas to win in Gaza and they said that they were strategizing for that to happen so then they can regard Gaza as a hostile territory and then just relentlessly bomb them.

01:10:46.000 That was because of WikiLeaks.

01:10:48.000 I found that out because of them.

01:10:49.000 I mean, I can't...

01:10:50.000 Believe what is going on.

01:10:52.000 Because people, I don't think that people really knew that Trump would take these powers and become so authoritarian with them.

01:10:59.000 Well, what's disturbing to me is, WikiLeaks used to be something that people on the left would cite as evidence that the military was out of control.

01:11:09.000 Or that the military industrial complex is out of control.

01:11:12.000 Then, because they feel like somehow or another WikiLeaks was involved in helping Trump, They became a Russian mouthpiece and a traitor.

01:11:21.000 I mean, like, the left, over the last few years in particular, since 2016, WikiLeaks has been sort of redefined.

01:11:32.000 They're conflating Julian Assange's personal politics, and I don't know what those are.

01:11:36.000 I know that he had those private DMs with Trump Jr., which looked bad, but...

01:11:40.000 What did he say to Trump Jr.?

01:11:42.000 He was talking to him about, you know, we need your tax return so then people don't think of us as like a biased organization and it would look good and kind of like, you know, a little too buddy-buddy with Trump Jr. But that does not take away from the importance and, you know, validity of what WikiLeaks is as an organization.

01:12:00.000 It's also a person talking to another person, giving their opinion, which makes sense.

01:12:05.000 People just really don't like Julian Assange as a person, and it doesn't matter how much you hate Julian Assange.

01:12:11.000 This is completely beyond the pale, what's going on to him, and he needs to be defended.

01:12:17.000 His rights need to be defended.

01:12:19.000 But very few people are defending him.

01:12:20.000 That's what's even more important.

01:12:21.000 Very interesting.

01:12:22.000 What's crazy is these charges that just got unveiled with the Trump administration, they're trying to extradite him to the U.S., of course, and he'll just be sitting in a cell for the rest of his life if he doesn't face the death penalty.

01:12:32.000 But the charges have nothing to do with the 2016 election at all.

01:12:36.000 They all have to do with the massacre, the collateral murder.

01:12:44.000 That's what it has to do with.

01:12:45.000 It has to do with the same thing that Chelsea Manning was in jail for releasing to him.

01:12:50.000 And so they've just trumped up all these charges based on him publishing war crimes.

01:12:55.000 And that's really what this is.

01:12:56.000 It's publishing war crimes and embarrassing the U.S. empire.

01:12:59.000 And what are they saying?

01:13:01.000 What are they calling it?

01:13:02.000 Like, what is the actual charge?

01:13:04.000 They're saying that he helped Chelsea Manning hack into, I forget, it's like some sort of charge that it's basically concocted.

01:13:12.000 They're saying that he helped Chelsea Manning basically release the information to him and that's how he's part of the conspiracy. 0.99

01:13:18.000 It's total bullshit. 0.99

01:13:19.000 Completely concocted. 1.00

01:13:21.000 He's a political prisoner and he needs to be freed and it's absolutely astounding that the Trump administration is doing this and that people are going along with it.

01:13:29.000 I see people applauding this. 0.69

01:13:30.000 It's sick.

01:13:31.000 It's weird.

01:13:32.000 It's weird.

01:13:33.000 It's weird the shift in how people used to defend him and now no longer do and nothing really has changed in terms of what he's actually done.

01:13:40.000 It was a traumatic election and people's reptile brains got activated hardcore and they think everything is Russia and they think Julian Assange is Russia and they think anyone who's talking about US foreign policy is towing the Russian line, towing the Kremlin line. 0.97

01:13:54.000 It's not about the people who control this government, it's the dark evil forces behind your friends and family and the people who are talking about sowing discord and shit. 0.93

01:14:03.000 It's a disturbing time because it's hard to relate and actually have these discussions with people. 0.99

01:14:08.000 Yeah, I think you nailed it when you said the 2016 elections have sort of awakened this reptile brain.

01:14:15.000 Because that's what it seems like.

01:14:17.000 You're seeing so many people that think that there's a war going on, like a war in this country.

01:14:21.000 Right.

01:14:22.000 Instead of discussing things, they don't want any discussion.

01:14:24.000 They want to shut things down.

01:14:25.000 And that's part of, I think, some of the motivation behind this and justification for deplatforming people, wiping them out, like remove them, get them out.

01:14:34.000 We're at war right now.

01:14:35.000 We have to fix this.

01:14:37.000 We have to get a woman president. 1.00

01:14:38.000 We have to get a gay man. 1.00

01:14:40.000 It's like this kind of shit that you see. 1.00

01:14:42.000 They feel like they're in an ideological war. 1.00

01:14:45.000 That's why identity politics is so fascinating because it's just been adopted by the establishment, by the liberal wing of the establishment, to try to trick people that we're somehow a progressive society.

01:14:56.000 It's all just like corporatism under the flag and the banner of social politics and identity politics, and it's completely absurd.

01:15:05.000 I mean, with Barack Obama, we thought that we were in a post-racial society because we had a black president, and we know that that's absolutely a falsehood.

01:15:14.000 So I just think that we're just going down the wrong path here.

01:15:17.000 And neoliberalism has really done a number on this country and the world.

01:15:22.000 And we're going to see kind of more authoritarian fascist policies take root because people are really down and out with how capitalism has morphed.

01:15:36.000 It's really disturbing because, you know, you're looking at, like, left identity politics, but it's under the banner of capitalism.

01:15:44.000 So really, it's just about privatization.

01:15:47.000 Neoliberalism is just about privatization.

01:15:48.000 So it's not about, like, leftist, you know, socialist politics.

01:15:52.000 And even you look at someone like Bernie Sanders, he's not a socialist.

01:15:54.000 He's a democratic socialist, which means that he just wants social democracy.

01:16:00.000 He's not talking about abolishing private industry.

01:16:02.000 He's not talking about nationalizing anything.

01:16:04.000 He's just talking about having workers have a seat at the table and getting the fair share.

01:16:09.000 So we've gone off the wayside of rhetoric and we just have no idea how to talk about these things in a fair way because things are so heated.

01:16:20.000 And ideological and people are just blinded, I think, and don't really understand these issues well enough.

01:16:28.000 And it's really disturbing because we're at a point in our country where we need to have conversations.

01:16:34.000 We don't just want sound bites.

01:16:36.000 But going back to the censorship stuff and the consolidation of corporate media, people don't have the platform, they don't have the voice to get these ideas out there.

01:16:44.000 Which is why your show is so important.

01:16:47.000 I mean, having people like me, like Tulsi, I mean, Bringing out these concepts and shifting the consciousness is very, very important. 0.64

01:16:56.000 Well, I think that when people are hearing the same thing over and over and over again from one side and then an opposite view over and over again from another side, it's very difficult to have an understanding of what the fuck is going on.

01:17:11.000 It's very confusing to most people.

01:17:13.000 And I think they tend to either...

01:17:16.000 Just give up.

01:17:17.000 Or they tend to just find whatever side seems to get them the most social credit or the most reasonable perspective in their terms, whether it's left-wing or right-wing, and then just support that.

01:17:30.000 Just give into that.

01:17:31.000 And then just have this...

01:17:34.000 Pattern that they adopt, this conglomeration of opinions that they adopt.

01:17:39.000 And then they're so busy with their jobs, they're so busy with their family, they're so busy with their life. 0.98

01:17:43.000 And then all this other shit, when you're seeing deregulation, all this other shit you're seeing, the stuff that caused the banking crisis, all this stuff is going on. 0.98

01:17:54.000 And it's going on without their knowledge. 0.99

01:17:56.000 It's all happening underneath the surface.

01:17:58.000 And then something erupts, like the economic collapse of 2007, 2008. And they're like, what the fuck is happening? 0.98

01:18:04.000 How'd this happen? 0.99

01:18:05.000 I didn't see this coming.

01:18:06.000 And now the economy crashes. 1.00

01:18:08.000 And then we have to buy out all these fucking banks. 1.00

01:18:10.000 And then it rebuilds back up and people are still doing the same goddamn thing. 1.00

01:18:14.000 They're still working and trying to get ahead. 0.95

01:18:16.000 And then all this is happening behind the scenes.

01:18:18.000 And it's so incredibly difficult to pay attention to all of it.

01:18:21.000 Of course. 0.95

01:18:22.000 And to really develop a nuanced perspective of what the problems are, how to fix them, and then who is actually going to support a real tangible solution versus who is just saying some Elizabeth Warren type shit to get elected.

01:18:36.000 Well, that's why we need a real mobilization in the streets, because there's no person who's going to change this.

01:18:42.000 There's no top-down implementation that's really going to revolutionize society and get people living wage and get people healthcare.

01:18:49.000 Even Bernie said, I'm not going to be able to do this.

01:18:51.000 I need you to come out.

01:18:53.000 To get my back.

01:18:55.000 But yeah, I mean, there's nowhere in the country that you can live if you're living on minimum wage and actually afford a two-bedroom apartment.

01:19:01.000 I mean, that's the reality here.

01:19:03.000 But when we bailed out the banks in 2008, no one had fretted about how we're going to pay for that.

01:19:10.000 I mean, it was just kind of understood.

01:19:12.000 Okay, we're going to pay and give the banks the bailout. 0.99

01:19:15.000 What about fucking us? 1.00

01:19:17.000 Don't we deserve a bailout? 1.00

01:19:18.000 What about the people?

01:19:21.000 Yeah.

01:19:25.000 Banks are too big to fail.

01:19:26.000 If the banks fail, then the people fail.

01:19:28.000 It's unbelievable, man. 1.00

01:19:30.000 And all this shit that we're spending, I mean, the Venezuela shit, all these sanctions, it is... 1.00

01:19:36.000 The Venezuela coup, I mean, were you following that? 1.00

01:19:39.000 That was insane.

01:19:40.000 Well, I was following it as much as you were sort of...

01:19:44.000 You were putting a very alternative view as opposed to what we're seeing in either left or right wing publications.

01:19:53.000 And you faced a lot of resistance because of that, right?

01:19:56.000 Right, right.

01:19:56.000 But you were there.

01:19:58.000 Yes, yes.

01:19:59.000 I was there and that's why I saw with my own eyes the reality on the ground.

01:20:05.000 What do you think is happening over there?

01:20:07.000 So what is happening over there?

01:20:09.000 I mean, if you poll Venezuelans themselves, they will say that their quality of life has lessened because of U.S. sanctions.

01:20:16.000 So back in 2015, Obama declared Venezuela a national security threat.

01:20:21.000 Very random.

01:20:21.000 There was no threat, obviously, posed to the U.S., but it was just to kind of start the sanctions on them.

01:20:27.000 What was the justification?

01:20:29.000 Who knows?

01:20:30.000 Who knows?

01:20:31.000 Pressure?

01:20:32.000 I mean, there's always been pressure because, of course, the U.S. has always hated Maduro and hated Hugo Chavez.

01:20:37.000 And the U.S. empire doesn't forget and it doesn't forgive.

01:20:40.000 And, you know, going back to 2002, Bush tried to engineer a coup against Hugo Chavez.

01:20:45.000 That didn't work.

01:20:46.000 And so what we've done with these civil society organizations is try to foment radical discontent on the ground in Venezuela to try to, you know, get some sort of uprising and The guy, Juan Guido, was just some guy plucked from obscurity who was just well-known in Georgetown and Washington,

01:21:03.000 D.C., much more well-known there than he was even in Venezuela.

01:21:07.000 So, you know, this was completely engineered.

01:21:09.000 It was totally concocted.

01:21:11.000 No Venezuelans really knew who he was.

01:21:13.000 I think like 80% of Venezuelans had no idea who Juan Guido was.

01:21:18.000 But, you know, the economy went into a spiral because oil prices dropped and they would have been able to pick back up their economy.

01:21:25.000 But unfortunately, the sanctions were so debilitating that it went into complete freefall.

01:21:31.000 Venezuela is not a socialist country.

01:21:33.000 That's actually the vast majority is private industry.

01:21:35.000 And a lot of those private CEOs are very anti-government.

01:21:41.000 Long story short is that the coup was initiated, you know, during the Trump administration after he slapped like 70 sanctions on Venezuela.

01:21:48.000 And we're talking about medicine, food, all the things that they're saying that they need, right?

01:21:54.000 That they're trying to stage these fake aid caravan deliveries. 0.99

01:21:56.000 That was all bullshit. 0.72

01:21:57.000 What they're doing is actually preventing the delivery from food and medicine from getting to Venezuelans. 0.98

01:22:02.000 This coup was a failure because the resilience of the Venezuelan people, they believe that they have a democracy.

01:22:08.000 They do have a democracy.

01:22:09.000 It's actually more free than our democracy.

01:22:11.000 There's not a dictatorship there.

01:22:14.000 Maduro won a presidential election last year.

01:22:17.000 He won a presidential election.

01:22:18.000 The US lobbied the opposition candidates to not run against him so then they can say it was illegitimate, that it was a dictatorship.

01:22:25.000 And so he won.

01:22:26.000 He won the popular vote, and they tried to implement all these things, and they've been blocked.

01:22:30.000 And, you know, the opposition keeps crying to the U.S. that they need help, that they need to be invaded.

01:22:36.000 It's pretty disturbing when you have opposition candidates saying, slap sanctions on us, invade our country, help us, Trump, help us. 0.94

01:22:44.000 I mean, it's absolutely ridiculous. 0.72

01:22:45.000 But when I was on the ground, I saw flourishing democracy.

01:22:48.000 I saw dozens of people, hundreds of people who said that they Love the process there, that they believe in the Bolivarian movement and that they're Chavismo till death.

01:22:58.000 And we don't understand because those people's voices are totally censored from corporate media.

01:23:03.000 The only Venezuelans that we hear from in corporate media are rich opposition, either, you know, expats or people who just have fled.

01:23:11.000 And what do we hear from corporate media?

01:23:13.000 What is the corporate take?

01:23:14.000 So this is even Elizabeth Warren, even Bernie Sanders has been terrible on this.

01:23:18.000 I mean, it's really bad.

01:23:20.000 I mean, their take on corporate media, if you're looking at like Fox News, they'll say we need to overthrow Maduro and everyone's starving and it's a failed state.

01:23:30.000 They never mentioned the sanctions.

01:23:32.000 They never mentioned the fact that U.S. sanctions just from 2017 alone has killed 40,000 Venezuelans.

01:23:38.000 This was just a study out by CEPR. 40,000 Venezuelans have died from Trump's sanctions, from insulin shipments not getting there.

01:23:48.000 I think?

01:24:10.000 But the corporate media will say, we need to overthrow them.

01:24:12.000 They're a failed state.

01:24:13.000 They're a dictatorship.

01:24:16.000 In reality, no, they're not.

01:24:18.000 They're a democracy, and we don't like their politics.

01:24:21.000 That's really what it is.

01:24:22.000 We don't like the fact that they're politics.

01:24:24.000 And what is it about their politics?

01:24:36.000 And you see all of these people who were involved in Exxon Mobil and all of the oil industries that were flourishing in Venezuela before Chavez got elected.

01:24:45.000 And they just want their profits back.

01:24:47.000 They want their money back.

01:24:48.000 They don't like the fact that Chavez took the profits from the oil companies.

01:24:52.000 That's what the crux of the problem is, Joe.

01:24:54.000 And it's amazing.

01:24:56.000 It's amazing how transparent it is.

01:24:58.000 So ever since these failed coup attempts over the last decade, the US has been fomenting regime change through the civil society organizations, USAID offshoots in the country, and basically trying to foment violent unrest.

01:25:12.000 Violent unrest to the extent that they burn down streets.

01:25:16.000 There's lynch mobs.

01:25:17.000 I mean, when I was there during the height of the violence in 2017, like 200 people died.

01:25:22.000 And the news just kept saying, like insinuating that Maduro was going out there with police forces and actually gunning down people in the streets.

01:25:29.000 It couldn't be farther from the truth.

01:25:31.000 We looked at all the deaths.

01:25:32.000 We broke them all down.

01:25:33.000 We looked at death records and we found out that the opposition lynch mobs were actually responsible for the overwhelming majority of deaths in the streets.

01:25:42.000 So that's happening.

01:25:43.000 People get lynched for being black. 0.95

01:25:45.000 They get lynched for being chavismo.

01:25:46.000 These people are targeting maternity clinics, hospitals, basically any enclave of government services because that's what this is really about.

01:25:53.000 It's about a kind of a fascistic bent of the opposition wanting to take back the power from the poor.

01:26:00.000 The poor people got power and they didn't like it. 0.99

01:26:03.000 And that's what the crux of the problem is.

01:26:05.000 But when you're looking at the corporate media, it's an absurdly cartoonish brush that's being painted.

01:26:11.000 And then if you look at the liberal media with Maddow and all these other people, they either don't talk about it or they say Maduro needs to let the aid in.

01:26:18.000 You even saw Bernie and Elizabeth Warren saying Maduro needs to let the aid in.

01:26:22.000 Let the aid in, Maduro.

01:26:23.000 The aid was the coup.

01:26:24.000 The aid was a trick.

01:26:27.000 They're getting aid every day from countries that are not trying to actively overthrow them.

01:26:33.000 I think?

01:26:48.000 But we don't hear about that, right?

01:26:49.000 Because they're allies with the US. So it's a cynical stunt to try to get this humanitarian international outcry to say, oh my god, people are dying.

01:27:00.000 People are hungry.

01:27:01.000 It's not a matter of that there's no food.

01:27:04.000 It's that food is very expensive because there's an actual economic war being waged by massive corporations in the country and just external entities, whether it be the Trump administration or US multinationals.

01:27:14.000 I think?

01:27:40.000 And you had CNN on the ground being like, all right, they need to let the aid in.

01:27:44.000 Why don't they let the aid in?

01:27:45.000 And the aid was fake.

01:27:47.000 It was just a truck full of, I don't know, very minuscule things.

01:27:51.000 But they wanted to try to ram these trucks through just to get the soldiers up in arms and to try to get them to defect.

01:27:56.000 It hasn't worked.

01:27:57.000 They've been trying over and over again to try to get something going.

01:28:01.000 And basically, at the end of the day, what happened was just a giant money grab.

01:28:06.000 It was basically a money laundering scheme.

01:28:08.000 You look at these people who are the opposition leaders now, Juan Guido, Carlos Vecchio, they've just stolen all the money back.

01:28:16.000 Maybe they realized the coup wasn't going to go forward, but they basically ended up stealing at least $70 million and just putting it right in these people's bank accounts.

01:28:24.000 It's pretty shocking.

01:28:25.000 I mean, you have international, it's an international conspiracy to try to take the money back from the people whose money was basically administered by Maduro for social services.

01:28:37.000 And the root of it all is nationalizing the oil.

01:28:39.000 Nationalizing the oil is the root of it all.

01:28:41.000 And also just uplifting the poor.

01:28:43.000 I mean, poor people got a voice and they never had a voice in that country their entire lives.

01:28:48.000 And that country was, you know, it was a colonial holdover.

01:28:51.000 And so the Bolivarian movement started this pink tide all across Latin America. 0.77

01:28:54.000 And it was scary.

01:28:56.000 It was a giant threat to the US establishment.

01:28:58.000 And actually, that's why Telesur was founded.

01:29:01.000 Telesur, the organization that I used to sell the show to, We're good to go.

01:29:34.000 And no one's talking about that.

01:29:35.000 And everyone's just acting like this is some crazy dictatorship that needs our saving.

01:29:40.000 How dare you? 1.00

01:29:41.000 Who the fuck do we think we are? 1.00

01:29:44.000 We're uninformed, right? 0.99

01:29:46.000 Yeah.

01:29:46.000 Is that what it is?

01:29:47.000 Yeah, you should check out, everyone should check out our Empire Files YouTube channel because we've done extensive coverage on the ground, really going into the nuts and bolts of what the economic crisis really is.

01:29:58.000 And my partner, Mike Preissner, did this epic takedown of John Oliver and You know, the liberal media is just as bad.

01:30:04.000 John Oliver did some fucking absurdly false kind of, like, analysis of the whole Venezuela situation, and we just went through and debunked every single line of it. 0.57

01:30:14.000 I mean, it was extremely disingenuous. 0.97

01:30:16.000 I bet he had someone who wrote all that, right?

01:30:20.000 So I bet he probably has no real knowledge of it.

01:30:24.000 Nor could you really, unless you extensively studied it the way you have, and especially if you have feet on the ground.

01:30:31.000 Right. 0.97

01:30:32.000 I think that most people just, in order to understand a complex, nuanced problem, like some sort of an international conflict that we're involved in that has to do with nationalizing oil, like, god damn, you gotta do a lot of work. 0.96

01:30:45.000 You do. 0.96

01:30:46.000 And have you run a show like Last Week Tonight or whatever the fuck that show's called? 0.87

01:30:50.000 You have producers doing everything for you. 0.91

01:30:51.000 Someone else is doing that.

01:30:53.000 I mean, you find that with a lot of these so-called online experts.

01:30:56.000 When you talk to them one-on-one and you get them off the record without notes, they're just people.

01:31:02.000 Well, there's this guy, this UN human rights investigator named Alfred de Zayas that I did this big interview with, and he said he tried to propose this to the UN saying there is no humanitarian crisis there.

01:31:13.000 This is all fake.

01:31:15.000 Yes, people are suffering and dying, but it's not because of Maduro's policies and corruption.

01:31:20.000 This is because of US sanctions that have asphyxiated the economy and prevented any sort of recovery from taking place.

01:31:27.000 And the economy is still in free fall.

01:31:29.000 They can't work with international bodies.

01:31:31.000 Again, we have the threats of sanctions with institutions that now work with Venezuela.

01:31:35.000 So they've been isolated.

01:31:36.000 They've been isolated from the world.

01:31:38.000 So is the idea that they just put these sanctions in place, allow this political unrest to take place, support the opposition, and then just have a slow burn until it all collapses, and then come in and swoop in and fix everything and make it a part of the United States government?

01:31:51.000 And then these people will not have a voice any longer.

01:31:54.000 And another thing that they hate is that Maduro has given 2 million free homes to people.

01:31:59.000 That's something that's completely unheard of to maybe Americans.

01:32:02.000 But that's one thing that Juan Guaido said that he would do.

01:32:06.000 He immediately implemented a new hydrocarbons law, or he was proposing to implement a new hydrocarbons law, which is, again, reprivatizing the oil, and also just immediately privatizing all of the social services that Maduro and Chavez did.

01:32:20.000 So...

01:32:21.000 It's pretty shocking what would happen and pretty devastating what would happen if Waido's coup did succeed.

01:32:28.000 And the whole Trump administration, I mean, it's not just Venezuela.

01:32:31.000 It's Nicaragua and Cuba, too.

01:32:33.000 I mean, we can't go to Cuba anymore.

01:32:35.000 Yeah, that's a new one, right?

01:32:36.000 When did that happen?

01:32:37.000 Just a couple weeks ago, right?

01:32:38.000 What was the purpose?

01:32:39.000 I mean, what was the rationalization?

01:32:41.000 Because socialism is terrifying and we can't just let this small island nation just live its life.

01:32:46.000 We have to create some genocidal blockade that prevents food and medicine from getting in there too.

01:32:51.000 But was there a justification?

01:32:53.000 Did they say why they were doing this?

01:32:55.000 Why they were imposing these new laws?

01:32:57.000 No.

01:32:58.000 It's just John Bolton's bizarre speech about the Troika of Tyranny.

01:33:01.000 Remember the Axis of Evil? 0.91

01:33:03.000 Yeah.

01:33:03.000 Remember that?

01:33:04.000 Now it's the Troika of Tyranny.

01:33:05.000 Now it's the Troika of Tyranny.

01:33:06.000 Nicaragua, Cuba, and Venezuela.

01:33:08.000 It's like, wait, I thought that we were fighting a war on terrorism.

01:33:11.000 We're going after Nicaragua too? 0.66

01:33:13.000 Yeah.

01:33:13.000 Because of Ortega.

01:33:14.000 Yeah, they hate anyone who leans left. 0.91

01:33:16.000 They want to crush. 0.93

01:33:20.000 Crush.

01:33:20.000 Hmm.

01:33:21.000 It's pretty fucking nuts what's happened. 0.93

01:33:24.000 The Cuba one is a weird one, right? 0.97

01:33:25.000 The Cuba one's... 0.97

01:33:26.000 Because what has happened over there?

01:33:28.000 Nothing.

01:33:29.000 Yeah, they're not...

01:33:30.000 They haven't done anything to us.

01:33:31.000 The only thing they just did was actually give out free HIV prevention pills and they... 0.99

01:33:36.000 Well, that's where they fucked up. 0.98

01:33:38.000 Which... 0.99

01:33:38.000 Big Pharma! 0.99

01:33:40.000 Yeah, that's where they fucked up. 0.99

01:33:42.000 We're not into that. 0.99

01:33:43.000 Yeah, no, the Venezuela thing's a mess.

01:33:45.000 It's so difficult because it's so nuanced, but I encourage everyone to maybe check out Venezuela Analysis and Empire Files and Telesaur if they want to learn more about that situation.

01:33:55.000 Have you encountered any demonetization of your channel from discussing these complex issues?

01:34:01.000 Yes.

01:34:02.000 So we actually stopped monetizing altogether, so we are ad-free.

01:34:06.000 But we would have been demonetized, I'm absolutely sure.

01:34:10.000 And we also are slapped with age restrictions and sensitive content bans on almost every single video that we put up, whether it be Israel, Palestine, or Venezuela.

01:34:20.000 Really?

01:34:22.000 What would cause you to get an age restriction or a sensitive content ban?

01:34:26.000 Is there anything that is a fairly innocuous video that you guys have put out that has also got an age restriction?

01:34:33.000 Absolutely.

01:34:33.000 Mike's video about John Oliver was just literally taking clips from John Oliver and then critiquing them, and they said that was a sensitive content ban.

01:34:40.000 It's like, well, what do you mean?

01:34:41.000 Why is that sensitive content ban?

01:34:43.000 Do you think that's a corporate issue because you're criticizing an HBO show?

01:34:47.000 No, no, because it's happened with almost every single one of our videos.

01:34:52.000 And so you have to make sure that you're logged in, that you prove your age, just all these different steps and gatekeeping methods to prevent people from getting access to our channel.

01:35:01.000 And another crazy thing about it is if you just search like Empire Files, Venezuela, like it will take you a really long time to actually find our work, even if you type in the channel name.

01:35:10.000 Abby Martin and these subjects.

01:35:13.000 It's really difficult to find.

01:35:14.000 And they've made that difficult to find on purpose.

01:35:17.000 I have no doubt.

01:35:18.000 Well, it's also weird how they determine what is trending.

01:35:22.000 Right.

01:35:23.000 Because it's not real.

01:35:25.000 What is trending is not really what is trending.

01:35:29.000 Alex Jones freaked out.

01:35:31.000 Because the video got millions and millions of hits.

01:35:34.000 They're censoring us from trending.

01:35:36.000 I'm like, dude, I got news for you.

01:35:37.000 I've never trended.

01:35:38.000 Ever.

01:35:39.000 Really?

01:35:39.000 Zero.

01:35:40.000 Oh, you know that's fake then.

01:35:41.000 That's why it's fake.

01:35:42.000 Zero times.

01:35:44.000 That's ridiculous, but shouldn't they be building your channel up?

01:35:47.000 No. 0.90

01:35:48.000 Some people like it.

01:35:49.000 Some people over there like it. 1.00

01:35:51.000 I think it's too fucked up. 0.98

01:35:53.000 You know, I think, like, they don't know what I'm doing. 0.99

01:35:57.000 Like, there's not, it's not, you can't put it in a clear box. 0.94

01:36:01.000 And there's too many comedians on, and there's too much weed, and people get drunk, and they talk crazy shit, and it's uncensored. 0.96

01:36:11.000 I just think... 0.97

01:36:12.000 It's a very complex thing, this sort of...

01:36:16.000 But you know it's happening.

01:36:18.000 Well, someone has made a choice to never have it trend.

01:36:23.000 It's trended zero times.

01:36:24.000 How many views have we had total?

01:36:27.000 You're talking about that one report the guy did?

01:36:31.000 We have trended, but it's been like a very few amount of times, like over five years.

01:36:35.000 That report was like over a one-year period.

01:36:37.000 But we haven't trended in years.

01:36:39.000 Right.

01:36:40.000 The main channel has, and our clips channel pops up there every so often.

01:36:43.000 Your clips channel, that's not...

01:36:44.000 It's a weird...

01:36:45.000 I wouldn't use that trending page.

01:36:48.000 The only one that's up now is ours.

01:36:50.000 That trending page isn't a good gauge to mark stuff.

01:36:54.000 It's not like this is the news of the day kind of page.

01:36:56.000 But it does help people see, people that are trendy.

01:36:59.000 People see what to look at.

01:37:01.000 I know that he's your friend too, Peter Joseph, who's been on this show before.

01:37:05.000 Zeitgeist and the Zeitgeist Trilogy was one of the most popular videos online, and that was totally... 0.77

01:37:10.000 Totally fucking censored. 0.95

01:37:12.000 100%. 0.98

01:37:12.000 You can barely find that anymore. 0.98

01:37:15.000 This is the issue that people have with Facebook and Google and any of these gigantic online corporations that are deciding what is and isn't popular and using algorithms to steer people in directions.

01:37:31.000 You know, one of the more fascinating discussions that's happened over the past few years is this understanding that their algorithms favor people arguing about things.

01:37:41.000 Like if you want to have a subject, like say abortion, and you put up a, you know, if you're a pro-choice or a pro-life person, you're going to get steered towards things you disagree with so that you engage with them more because that's where the money is.

01:37:56.000 The money is in you being upset and engaging.

01:37:59.000 I mean, that's where people really get into it.

01:38:02.000 So the more you engage, the more profitable it is for Facebook, and the more they encourage that type of behavior.

01:38:08.000 So their algorithm actually encourages pissing you off.

01:38:13.000 And wants you to stay on YouTube and just go down the rabbit hole on every issue.

01:38:18.000 Particularly Facebook.

01:38:20.000 But with YouTube, that was one of the...

01:38:22.000 That weird New York Times piece, the radicalization of some...

01:38:38.000 I didn't read it.

01:38:45.000 With the radicalization of this young man.

01:38:48.000 And they did link some websites or some YouTube channels that are right, you know, that are right-leaning and even far-right.

01:38:57.000 But they also threw in a bunch of other ones, like Philly D, right, who's not right-wing at all, me and a few other folks.

01:39:04.000 Well, that's the algorithm.

01:39:05.000 You know, the algorithm just takes you down, down, down.

01:39:08.000 Yeah, but the New York Times article was suggesting that we all were right-wing because it was a sloppy article.

01:39:13.000 It just wasn't really well done.

01:39:15.000 But what's interesting is the conclusion, ultimately, he was saved by this by their algorithm.

01:39:22.000 Their algorithm led him to someone...

01:39:25.000 Got him down and then got him out.

01:39:26.000 Yeah, led him to an opposition of that.

01:39:28.000 I bet he was a left-wing person. 0.97

01:39:30.000 YouTube employee wrote it or some shit. 0.97

01:39:32.000 But this idea that... 0.97

01:39:33.000 This is the thing that drives me crazy.

01:39:36.000 Say you believe something, right?

01:39:38.000 And then if you go online and you read something else, and that something else is contrary to what you believe, and you start believing in that something else, somehow or another that's bad.

01:39:49.000 This is one of the great arguments against censorship. 0.97

01:39:53.000 It's like you have to figure out what the fuck makes sense.

01:39:56.000 The only way to figure out what makes sense is to read all kinds of things. 0.97

01:39:59.000 To engage with all kinds of content.

01:40:03.000 The idea that we're supposed to protect people because we know what's right.

01:40:07.000 We know what's correct.

01:40:08.000 Well, who are you?

01:40:09.000 Let me talk to you.

01:40:11.000 If you think you know what's correct, you're the arbiter of free speech, you're the arbiter of logical discourse and common sense in this world, let me ask you things.

01:40:20.000 Let me talk to you.

01:40:22.000 Let me get to the heart of how you feel.

01:40:23.000 How do you feel about trans kids transitioning when they're six?

01:40:27.000 How do you feel about all sorts of crazy weird things that have just been propped up as logical and make sense?

01:40:34.000 How do you feel about war?

01:40:36.000 How do you feel about abortion?

01:40:38.000 How do you feel about ghosts?

01:40:40.000 Who are you?

01:40:41.000 Who are you?

01:40:42.000 And you just get to choose whether or not information that comes to them leans left or right.

01:40:49.000 I think it's preposterous.

01:40:51.000 I just think it's incredibly dangerous because you have to have an unbelievably complex and nuanced perspective in order to be able to dictate what makes or does not make sense.

01:41:04.000 You have to have a lot of information at your disposal.

01:41:08.000 If you're talking about something like Venezuela, let's look at that, for example.

01:41:12.000 Look at what you know, and then look at what you see in what you would call progressive left-wing media that...

01:41:21.000 To your knowledge is incorrect and is basically propaganda points that's being redistributed in this way that is palatable.

01:41:28.000 Now imagine if people decide that you, Abby Martin, are somehow or another part of some right-wing conspiracy now and they're going to censor your voice and censor your – because it doesn't fit in to this narrative that they're – because you need so much information.

01:41:45.000 To be able to really understand what's happening in this one part of South America that we're talking about.

01:41:52.000 It's so complex.

01:41:53.000 Well, they treat us like children, and they think that we're not smart enough to actually discern what is information that we need.

01:42:01.000 I mean, I want the Russian perspective.

01:42:03.000 I want the Venezuelan perspective.

01:42:05.000 I want the Chinese perspective, because I feel like we're smart enough to really determine our own reality based on All the available information. 0.95

01:42:12.000 But this is where we're fucked, is that we don't have a reliable, independent source that's not filled with hyperbole and emotion and dunking on people and screaming and insulting. 0.82

01:42:25.000 And I want someone who can break things down logically and clearly with no ideological bend. 0.95

01:42:33.000 You're not leaning left, you're not leaning right.

01:42:36.000 Where is that?

01:42:37.000 And why doesn't that exist?

01:42:39.000 I think it's because it's not necessarily human.

01:42:42.000 And, you know, people have opinions and they have biases and either they couch those biases in like these think tanks and pretend like they're these unbiased journalists or they just kind of wear it on their sleeve like I do with Empire Files and Media Roots, which is my, you know, my news organization.

01:42:57.000 That I do with my brother, Robbie.

01:42:59.000 But, I mean, we try to lay it out, but we also don't hide where we're coming from.

01:43:03.000 I almost appreciate that more than a lot of these journalists, so-called journalists who are really kind of stenographers, who pretend like they are unbiased.

01:43:11.000 And they're like, I'm just giving it to you straight.

01:43:12.000 And at the end of the day, they're really not.

01:43:15.000 They're trying to toe a line and they're trying to push a certain perspective, but it's just not obvious.

01:43:20.000 Yeah.

01:43:22.000 It's just, we live in such a strange time where we are overwhelmed with data.

01:43:28.000 I mean, overwhelmed. 0.99

01:43:30.000 You cannot get away from it and there's no way, there's not a fucking human alive that understands all of it. 0.99

01:43:38.000 It is impossible. 0.99

01:43:39.000 It really is impossible. 0.99

01:43:41.000 And It's so hard to find out what is true and what is bullshit. 0.74

01:43:47.000 Right, oh my god, what you posted about how you can now change people's, like you can make a picture talk. 0.96

01:43:54.000 Yes.

01:43:54.000 Isn't that crazy?

01:43:55.000 We're in for a wave.

01:43:56.000 The Mona Lisa.

01:43:57.000 A wave of lies.

01:43:59.000 I know, I was like, oh, that's what the Mona Lisa looked like.

01:44:01.000 Cool.

01:44:01.000 She's talking.

01:44:02.000 Hey, what's up? 1.00

01:44:03.000 I like dick. 1.00

01:44:04.000 It's crazy. 1.00

01:44:05.000 It's unbelievable.

01:44:06.000 I like to do coke, and I like to fly planes, even though they haven't been invented.

01:44:09.000 Like, you could have the Mona Lisa say anything.

01:44:11.000 It's really disturbing what we're in for.

01:44:15.000 Like, what's coming?

01:44:16.000 Buckle up. 0.96

01:44:17.000 Buckle up. 0.96

01:44:18.000 Yeah, right?

01:44:19.000 Imagine the fourth, fifth, and sixth generation of this technology being utilized by government, you know?

01:44:24.000 Oh, my God.

01:44:24.000 And then being utilized by someone to sort of...

01:44:27.000 I mean, you could easily justify assassinations if you can prove that someone's saying something fucked up. 1.00

01:44:32.000 You kill them and then you release a tape of them saying something fucked up. 1.00

01:44:36.000 Totally. 1.00

01:44:36.000 This person was trying to overthrow the government. 1.00

01:44:38.000 You could start wars.

01:44:38.000 For sure, for sure, for sure.

01:44:40.000 Oh my god, just drone strike anyone.

01:44:42.000 What I'm hoping is that if you look at what this technology is doing, what technology in general is doing, particularly like information technology, internet, cellular phones and smartphones and all these devices and And all the various new incarnations that are coming out.

01:44:58.000 What they seem to be doing is they seem to be We're good to go.

01:45:28.000 But I think ultimately it's going to fail.

01:45:30.000 And I think ultimately as technology, as all these innovations keep coming down the pipe, we're going to get closer and closer to this time where everyone has an instantaneous and equal access to information.

01:45:43.000 And I think that when that time does come, lying will be virtually impossible.

01:45:48.000 I really do believe that.

01:45:50.000 Because I think we're probably a decade away from implementing some sort of a device or an ability to read minds.

01:45:59.000 I really believe that.

01:46:00.000 That's kind of terrifying.

01:46:02.000 I think they're going to develop some sort of technology that allows us to link up together and through some new way of communicating that we don't foresee now.

01:46:16.000 But if you just look at this trend, like what is the trend?

01:46:18.000 The trend was, oh, you go to the library and get a book.

01:46:21.000 Well, now you can get a book online.

01:46:22.000 Well, now you get a book on your phone.

01:46:23.000 Well, now you could have that book read to you on your phone.

01:46:26.000 I mean, it's all this… Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.

01:46:31.000 He keeps getting closer and closer to you.

01:46:33.000 And I think there's going – I mean, when – Elon Musk – he's being very vague about it.

01:46:37.000 He won't really discuss what he's doing.

01:46:38.000 But this neural link thing that he's doing that he thinks is going to radically increase bandwidth between human beings and information.

01:46:45.000 And he thinks it's going to literally change humanity. 0.94

01:46:47.000 I don't know what the fuck that means. 0.87

01:46:49.000 But if he's working on something like that, he's not the only one. 0.98

01:46:52.000 Oh, my God.

01:47:10.000 Like these various languages that we use, whether Spanish or Chinese or whatever it is, but some sort of a new language that kids learn, and a new language that's a universal language that's distributed through online platforms. 1.00

01:47:24.000 And have this all go straight to your fucking brain. 1.00

01:47:28.000 Wow. 1.00

01:47:29.000 It's going to happen.

01:47:30.000 We're becoming cyborgs in some sort of a weird way.

01:47:33.000 And that's the other thing that Elon said.

01:47:35.000 We're already cyborg.

01:47:35.000 We just carry it around with us.

01:47:36.000 And that's what your phone is.

01:47:38.000 We're so dependent upon these devices.

01:47:40.000 It just seems to make sense that the general direction that all this is going is becoming more and more invasive and more and more inclusive.

01:47:48.000 More and more invasive in terms of the way it's sort of ingrained in your body and becomes a part of your life, becomes more and more a part of everyone's life.

01:48:01.000 And then more inclusive in terms of more access to this information and more access to thoughts.

01:48:09.000 And I just think we're just a few years away from someone making a breakthrough.

01:48:15.000 Wow.

01:48:17.000 I think in some ways it's probably...

01:48:19.000 Joe Biden says he's going to cure cancer.

01:48:21.000 Have I shown you this before?

01:48:22.000 This thing is called alter ego where he can talk to it without moving his mouth and it communicates with a computer.

01:48:28.000 This is over a year old so I don't know the developments they've made since then.

01:48:33.000 Yeah, I sent this to Elon, and he says it's just a trick.

01:48:35.000 He said this is basically like a trick.

01:48:37.000 He said, yeah, this is giving you information.

01:48:39.000 You don't need to talk to it.

01:48:40.000 But he said what he's doing is far more complex.

01:48:43.000 And then I asked him questions, and he went radio silent on me.

01:48:45.000 Yeah, so I was just going, this has got to be the first step for that.

01:48:47.000 First of all, look at that guy. 0.98

01:48:49.000 He looks like a dork wearing that thing. 0.99

01:48:50.000 He's so big. 1.00

01:48:53.000 He probably figured it out himself.

01:48:54.000 Yeah, probably. 1.00

01:48:55.000 But that looks like some Iron Man type shit. 0.97

01:48:57.000 He's going to wear a football helmet that does that in the future. 0.98

01:48:59.000 If I just go one step, this is like the next thing they get this on a Bluetooth thing just touched your ear that everybody's already been walking around with for the last 25 years.

01:49:06.000 So he's essentially calculating his groceries as he walks around?

01:49:10.000 Yeah, this is just probably connected to his phone.

01:49:13.000 I was just sort of showing you this.

01:49:15.000 This is already maybe available and they're showing this as proof of concept.

01:49:19.000 Well, back this up because let's read the narration because it just said something there.

01:49:23.000 So without...

01:49:24.000 Right there.

01:49:24.000 Without any voice or...

01:49:25.000 Just go back to where it is.

01:49:27.000 Okay.

01:49:28.000 Leave it right there. 0.73

01:49:29.000 Without any voice or discernible movements enabling the user to communicate with devices, just let it play.

01:49:37.000 So AI assistance applications or other people in a silent...

01:49:41.000 It's moving too fast.

01:49:44.000 Bad video. 0.99

01:49:46.000 Yeah, who the fuck can read that fast? 0.99

01:49:47.000 I'm reading it pretty damn fast. 0.99

01:49:48.000 Yeah, it's like, okay, I need to wear one of these.

01:49:50.000 Yeah, come on. 0.77

01:49:52.000 What the heck?

01:49:52.000 I didn't even get to that.

01:49:54.000 I mean, who's reading faster than me?

01:49:56.000 That's insane.

01:49:56.000 You need to be wearing one of these devices to tell your brain.

01:49:58.000 Yes, you do. 1.00

01:49:58.000 They're trying to tell you you're stupid. 1.00

01:50:00.000 You're stupid, you need this. 1.00

01:50:01.000 Please buy it. 1.00

01:50:02.000 So, can I play...

01:50:02.000 We have a little trailer for the film.

01:50:04.000 Can I play it really quick?

01:50:05.000 Yeah, sure.

01:50:05.000 Where's it at?

01:50:06.000 Check out Empire Files, and it's the most recent thing.

01:50:11.000 How long have you guys been independent, like ad-free?

01:50:14.000 Basically a year.

01:50:17.000 Right after I came on last year, the sanctions shut down our show, and so we had to do this giant fundraiser, and it was just absolutely very difficult to...

01:50:27.000 Yeah, here it is.

01:50:28.000 Let's check it out.

01:50:30.000 Empire Files, Gaza Fights for Freedom, and this is...

01:50:33.000 This is the little trailer for our film that just came out.

01:50:40.000 This is our eldest daughter.

01:50:41.000 She was my first joy.

01:50:43.000 She was killed.

01:50:44.000 She's a medic. 0.92

01:50:45.000 You want to read this?

01:50:47.000 First young female at the field volunteer.

01:50:49.000 As a girl, she was the first to go to the march encampments.

01:50:53.000 And everyone participated.

01:50:54.000 I too participated.

01:50:55.000 The whole family did.

01:50:56.000 My husband, my children, my neighbors, my siblings did too.

01:51:00.000 All Palestinians participated.

01:51:05.000 Our march is peaceful.

01:51:09.000 We do not carry weapons.

01:51:11.000 We go there with our fair chests.

01:51:15.000 We stand before a huge force of a fortified army with tanks, gas, and warplanes.

01:51:22.000 Our march is peaceful where we ask for our rights.

01:51:25.000 I have the right to have a country.

01:51:27.000 I have the right to have a home.

01:51:31.000 All those refugees have the right to return to their homes. 0.71

01:51:40.000 So during this protest, is this when these people were shot?

01:51:43.000 What we're seeing here?

01:51:44.000 Yeah.

01:51:45.000 So it's a lot of people who are getting carried out.

01:51:47.000 Including little kids.

01:51:48.000 Yeah.

01:51:49.000 And they're shooting at them.

01:51:50.000 And this is...

01:51:52.000 Isn't it time yet?

01:51:53.000 She says.

01:51:54.000 Everyone around the world is sitting there watching us, and they're all comfortable with their lives.

01:51:58.000 Here we are under siege.

01:51:59.000 We have no borders, no life.

01:52:00.000 Where are we supposed to go?

01:52:04.000 So this is coming out in a couple weeks.

01:52:06.000 We're fine-tuning it, but we just had a big theatrical release in downtown, and it was really cool.

01:52:13.000 That's where you saw the Oliver Stone.

01:52:16.000 But yeah, it's sick.

01:52:18.000 I mean, you texted me that video of the kid, you know, another medic was just shot.

01:52:23.000 Yeah, there was something that Bala Muhammad, who's one of the UFC fighters, had on his Instagram, and I texted you that.

01:52:32.000 We...

01:52:34.000 It's so, again, this is another thing.

01:52:37.000 It's so difficult to understand what's actually going on.

01:52:39.000 There's so many pro-Israel people that put their head in the sand and don't want to look at some of these atrocities and don't want to look at some of the videos that you sent me of soldiers shooting at people that are not doing anything.

01:52:51.000 Right.

01:52:52.000 I mean, yeah, I mean, their whole argument is that it's all Hamas and their human shields.

01:52:57.000 I mean, we looked through hundreds of hours of footage that these people gave us, and it's mind-blowing footage.

01:53:02.000 It looks absolutely cinematic and epic, but the footage is harrowing, and I didn't see one weapon.

01:53:09.000 I didn't see one militant, not one weapon.

01:53:12.000 It was literally people with slingshots throwing rocks at tanks.

01:53:16.000 It's kind of a rite of passage.

01:53:17.000 It's very symbolic.

01:53:17.000 They're not trying to hurt anyone.

01:53:19.000 No Israeli soldiers have been hurt.

01:53:20.000 Or killed during 2018, which is what the film looks at is through 2018 of the Great March of Return.

01:53:28.000 And there's not any weapons, there's no militants.

01:53:30.000 Hamas has nothing to do with the march.

01:53:34.000 And it's just shocking.

01:53:36.000 I mean, it's shocking how many war crimes were committed on camera.

01:53:40.000 And it's just amazing the propaganda that's just told to us about what this is and why they have the right to kill people that pose no threat to them.

01:53:50.000 When you were on last time and you talked about this, one of my email accounts was flooded with literally a chain letter, the same letter, like denouncing you and your lies and your anti-Semitic You know,

01:54:15.000 that's a campaign.

01:54:16.000 You know that that has a lot of money behind it.

01:54:20.000 There's a lot of money behind that.

01:54:21.000 I mean...

01:54:21.000 The film is mind-blowing.

01:54:23.000 Go to GazaFightsForFreedom.com if you want to check it out when it gets released.

01:54:27.000 And it's just really incontrovertible, Joe.

01:54:30.000 I mean, even if it were a war between armies, all of these things that Israel has done are still documented war crimes and very grievous violations of international law.

01:54:41.000 And we're talking about direct targeting and assassinations by Israeli snipers of disabled people, of children, press, and medics.

01:54:50.000 And that's who Rezan was.

01:54:52.000 She was a medic. 0.88

01:54:53.000 And as you mentioned, another medic just passed away.

01:54:56.000 Was killed, rather.

01:54:57.000 I hate to use the passive voice because you always hear Palestinians died.

01:55:01.000 No, they were murdered.

01:55:02.000 They're all being murdered by snipers.

01:55:04.000 And they pose no threat to them.

01:55:06.000 And so the film looks at this UN investigation, basically during the March in 2018, and documents all of the grievous crimes and atrocities conducted by the Israeli military.

01:55:17.000 And I mean, you know, Palestine has a right to defend itself.

01:55:21.000 And this isn't even what that is.

01:55:23.000 But if you look at the UN Charter of 1978, they say that, you know, occupied peoples and besieged peoples have the right to...

01:55:32.000 Actually for armed self-defense.

01:55:35.000 And the fact that this is not even what that is, that there's literally people going out there in peace with their bared chests, holding flags, and they're getting killed and sniped.

01:55:44.000 There's so many amputations.

01:55:45.000 I mean, just in 2018 alone, there was 35 kids who were killed.

01:55:51.000 900 shot.

01:55:53.000 Jesus.

01:55:54.000 Yeah, that's children.

01:55:55.000 And, you know, some of these stories are harrowing.

01:55:57.000 A kid hiding behind a trash can who was sniped.

01:55:59.000 A kid who went up to the fence and just put a Palestinian flag and she was shot in the head and died instantly.

01:56:05.000 It just, it goes on and on and on.

01:56:07.000 And so, you know, we're just trying to document this to really kind of push the needle for accountability because these laws have been agreed upon by the international community, some of them 100 years ago.

01:56:18.000 And to have kind of a rogue state acting with complete impunity, knowing that it has total protection from the U.S. empire and given more freedom than ever under Trump with this Golan Heights thing and the moving of the Jerusalem embassy or the moving of the embassy to Jerusalem.

01:56:32.000 I mean, it's just...

01:56:34.000 It's abysmal, and it needs to be stopped, and they can't control the narrative any longer because we're seeing this with our own eyes, and that's what this film does, is really lays it all out. 0.89

01:56:45.000 Abby, you concentrate and focus on so many different fucked up parts of the world. 0.71

01:56:51.000 But you're very friendly and upbeat. 0.97

01:56:53.000 See, you're laughing at this.

01:56:55.000 How do you manage to maintain your sanity?

01:56:59.000 Because I have a hard time if I just watch one of your pieces. 1.00

01:57:03.000 I watch one of your clips and I just go, what the fuck? 0.99

01:57:06.000 And I just want to cry and I don't know what to do and I want to hug my kids. 0.99

01:57:11.000 But you're in the trenches every day, and you go to these places all the time.

01:57:17.000 How do you do it?

01:57:19.000 Well, I think that, well, first of all, I go and camp a lot.

01:57:23.000 I get into nature a lot, which is also kind of depressing, knowing that, you know, climate change and blah, blah, blah.

01:57:28.000 But I try to get out and see the beauty of the world and understand my privilege, especially as an American citizen, because we can't afford to not be aware and we can't afford to not be educated in talking about these issues, especially when our government is subsidizing this around the world.

01:57:45.000 $10 million every day with our tax dollars.

01:57:49.000 I mean, this is going on and it's so close to home.

01:57:53.000 And we have to acknowledge our privilege and acknowledge the situation, which is we have agency.

01:57:59.000 We have agency to lobby our government to change this and to stop these criminal acts.

01:58:08.000 But do you ever feel that it's almost like you're absorbing too much because you are looking at all the problems of all the people, seven plus billion around the world and all these different horrific injustices?

01:58:22.000 I try to focus on what I can do and what I can do is challenge my own government.

01:58:27.000 And as an American citizen living in this society, I think that the U.S. Empire and the Pentagon is the source of a lot of problems around the world.

01:58:36.000 I look at the world as...

01:58:39.000 I mean, you have to understand the issues that are going on, especially with foreign policy in terms of the colonized and colonizers, the oppressed and oppressors, and the US's role as well as other previous empires role in shaping the world as it is today.

01:58:53.000 And a lot of the problems that have arisen are because directly U.S. foreign policy, whether it be the global war on terrorism, whether it be terrorism in general.

01:59:01.000 I mean, you know, drone strikes basically cause terrorism.

01:59:04.000 Whether it be the environmental crises, the Pentagon is actually the largest polluter in the world, more than 140 countries.

01:59:11.000 That's essentially every country in the world almost.

01:59:14.000 A bigger polluter than the top four chemical companies combined.

01:59:18.000 So it all kind of stems back from this notion that, you know, the US is the world's largest empire that's ever existed, and it needs to be stopped to save humanity.

01:59:28.000 And so as an American citizen, I look at all of the problems and I understand that there is like a very common root.

01:59:35.000 And I can do something about this common root.

01:59:37.000 And if you're looking at domestic problems, the lack of healthcare, the lack of education.

01:59:41.000 I mean, Martin Luther King called it decades ago.

01:59:44.000 He says, you know, a nation that spends more and more on military spending is facing social death.

01:59:51.000 I probably butchered his quote, but that's essentially the spiritual death, I think is what he said.

01:59:55.000 But I mean, that's exactly what's happening is when we're squandering all of our money, bolstering up this huge global empire.

02:00:01.000 We're not taking care of our people at home, our brothers and sisters at home.

02:00:05.000 My empathy extends as an internationalist all around the world.

02:00:09.000 I feel for my brothers and sisters in Palestine, Yemen.

02:00:13.000 Everywhere.

02:00:14.000 But I can only do what I can do based on what my government is doing.

02:00:19.000 And, you know, it's doing a lot.

02:00:20.000 It's doing a lot of horrible things.

02:00:22.000 And it's time for us to really acknowledge what those horrible things are because we need to reinvigorate an anti-war movement in this country.

02:00:30.000 And when you're saying that drone strikes create terrorism, what you're really saying is that, well, what people, if they don't understand, Drone strikes primarily kill civilians.

02:00:43.000 Overwhelming.

02:00:44.000 It's a really crazy number and it's this very strange sanitized way of handling an issue where if you had a person Right.

02:01:03.000 Right.

02:01:05.000 Right.

02:01:21.000 But if you do it with a remote control and you launch Hellfire missiles out of a drone and it blows up the apartment building and kills all these innocent people but also gets the terrorists, it's mission accomplished.

02:01:31.000 And it's crazy.

02:01:33.000 It's crazy that we're signing off on that.

02:01:36.000 Right.

02:01:36.000 What gives us the right to kill people?

02:01:39.000 It's a thing because we're not there where there's this weird sort of a bridge that we're allowed to cross.

02:01:49.000 Into this really sickening act.

02:01:52.000 When you have anything that's ineffective to the point where most of the people it kills are good people, or at least are innocent people, we should say.

02:02:02.000 I mean, this is not saying...

02:02:04.000 That there's not terrorism.

02:02:05.000 It's not saying there's not horrible people in Iceland. 0.94

02:02:07.000 There is, absolutely.

02:02:09.000 Look, I'm a pro-military person.

02:02:11.000 I think we need military.

02:02:13.000 And I think, just like the same, we need cops. 0.99

02:02:16.000 But to deny that cops sometimes are bad is fucking crazy.

02:02:20.000 To deny that sometimes when you allow the military-industrial complex to do things like Yeah. 0.95

02:02:36.000 Yeah.

02:02:44.000 Terrorist acts, you look at actually what their intention was, and a lot of them, the vast majority, literally cite U.S. foreign policy.

02:02:51.000 Revenge.

02:02:51.000 U.S. foreign policy.

02:02:52.000 I mean, every time you kill 98% innocent people, whoever survives, if you lost your whole family in that, you have an incredible amount of motivation to get back at whoever did it.

02:03:05.000 Right.

02:03:06.000 And that whoever did it is the United States.

02:03:08.000 We need to stop normalizing this.

02:03:10.000 And, you know, militarily speaking, Trump actually, you know, it's not just Trump.

02:03:15.000 I mean, this is a bipartisan effort throughout the entire Congress.

02:03:18.000 If there's one thing Congress can agree upon, it's to make nonviolent BDS efforts against Israel legal and also to just keep ramping up the military and egging on whoever's sitting in the Oval Office to be more militaristic.

02:03:32.000 And that's exactly what's happened with Trump in a bizarre way.

02:03:35.000 I mean, Congress approved like a near trillion dollar defense budget.

02:03:40.000 And the increase alone in the last year was basically Russia's entire military budget, more than Russia's entire military budget. 0.99

02:03:47.000 That's how much the shit's ramping up. 0.98

02:03:49.000 And then you have the Space Force. 0.99

02:03:51.000 I mean, it's just like, how far is this going to go?

02:03:54.000 The society is collapsing.

02:03:56.000 If you looked at the argument against this, you would say, we need this in order to keep people safe here.

02:04:05.000 That would be the argument against it.

02:04:08.000 My question would be, what threat is there?

02:04:12.000 ISIS. When has ISIS ever done anything here other than, I mean, there was like a truck.

02:04:19.000 I mean, come on.

02:04:20.000 We already know the statistics on terrorism in this country.

02:04:24.000 And they're very low, right?

02:04:26.000 I mean, you're basically more likely to die from like furniture falling on you in your apartment.

02:04:30.000 Yeah.

02:04:31.000 Yeah.

02:04:31.000 And the whole ISIS thing, I mean, as we know, ISIS arose out of U.S. foreign policy.

02:04:36.000 The failed state in Libya, the Iraq war that's still criminally ongoing.

02:04:41.000 I mean, Trump announced this indefinite extension of the criminal occupation of Iraq.

02:04:45.000 It's just crazy how normalized this is.

02:04:47.000 You know, far longer than Vietnam, we're in Afghanistan, fatalities at an all-time high.

02:04:52.000 All of these things are a direct result of U.S. foreign policy.

02:04:56.000 And look at the refugee crisis.

02:04:57.000 Look at immigration. 0.84

02:04:58.000 The Honduras coup. 1.00

02:05:00.000 All of this shit's connected. 0.99

02:05:02.000 And that's what we need to start like expanding our consciousness and our empathy worldwide to understand all of these things are linked and the struggle is all linked. 0.99

02:05:10.000 And our world is shrinking really rapidly.

02:05:13.000 What candidate speaks in this way?

02:05:17.000 Like what candidate do you think understands and recognizes all these things that you're talking about?

02:05:23.000 I mean, Mike Gravel is the only one who's like, we need to end the U.S. empire.

02:05:27.000 Bernie and Tulsi.

02:05:28.000 Who is Mike Gravel?

02:05:29.000 Mike Gravel was, he was the guy who basically read the Pentagon Papers into record.

02:05:35.000 He's a good guy.

02:05:36.000 He's running for president?

02:05:37.000 Yeah, he has like this online campaign that's really awesome.

02:05:39.000 But, I mean, Tulsi's speaking a lot about regime change wars, which is extremely important.

02:05:45.000 But she still believes in drone strikes. 0.97

02:05:47.000 She basically has a little bit of Obama's foreign policy that I don't agree with that fundamental understanding.

02:05:53.000 Does she believe in limited drone strikes? 1.00

02:05:54.000 Like maybe if there's an ISIS camp somewhere?

02:05:56.000 I mean, I can't believe that she believes in some sort of just broad brush use of it.

02:06:03.000 I haven't looked into the nuances of that, but I do think that no one is saying what I want them to about U.S. empire, about scaling back the U.S. empire and stopping all of the civil society movements because it's not just about invasions anymore.

02:06:20.000 It's about usurping the democratic processes of all of these countries, like what we've done in Venezuela, what we're doing all around the world to try to foment unrest.

02:06:30.000 All of this needs to be stopped.

02:06:31.000 Do you foresee a time where our dependence on foreign oil is radically reduced to the point where it doesn't justify these regime change wars and our dependence on these resources that these people have?

02:06:47.000 Almost every conflict in the world, you can boil down to the acquisition of resources.

02:06:51.000 Right.

02:06:52.000 And also the protection of capital.

02:06:53.000 And that's like what a lot of it is now is actually just capital interests needing to expand and grow and continuing to up and increase the profit structure of these corporations.

02:07:05.000 And that's exactly why we've seen imperialism kind of go out of control in the way that it has.

02:07:12.000 I don't know.

02:07:13.000 I mean, I thought that we were more independent oil-wise.

02:07:17.000 I don't think it's good.

02:07:18.000 I think that climate change...

02:07:20.000 And it hasn't stopped.

02:07:22.000 It hasn't stopped the imperialist misadventures of the U.S. government.

02:07:26.000 So, I think there just needs to be a really big shift in consciousness and people to stop thinking that it's our right and that we have the right and the duty to do this around the world.

02:07:38.000 It doesn't give us the right.

02:07:39.000 We don't have...

02:07:42.000 It's not right, man.

02:07:43.000 It's really not.

02:07:44.000 And we need to really reinvigorate the masses here because, again, society is collapsing. 0.88

02:07:51.000 That's pretty fucking obvious.

02:07:53.000 Well, if it's not obvious, what is obvious is that we're not evolving in terms of If we're still involved in drone strikes that kill 98% of people, if we're still involved in regime change wars, we're still involved in these unnecessary military actions against Iran, 0.98

02:08:12.000 these things that people are freaking out about, this is all the same kind of shit that people have been fighting against forever, that we don't want... 0.71

02:08:24.000 Yeah. 0.97

02:08:43.000 I mean, this is the narrative that they're being served.

02:08:46.000 This is what they're being told.

02:08:47.000 And when they're going to these places, they're not going to those places to act as evil, as the boots of some empire.

02:08:55.000 They're going over there because they think they're protecting freedom.

02:08:57.000 They think they're protecting their family and their loved ones back home.

02:09:00.000 That's why they're doing it.

02:09:01.000 We're still doing that.

02:09:02.000 We're not evolving.

02:09:04.000 Well, I mean, that's what's so scary about the Iran thing, because the people who are surrounding Iran and being directed to go out there, they're the ones who are going to be the sacrificial lambs for these defense contractors. 0.91

02:09:14.000 And I don't think that you can argue anymore that this is for freedom.

02:09:19.000 I mean, how can you?

02:09:20.000 What threat does Iran pose to the United States? 1.00

02:09:24.000 It's a tough sell.

02:09:25.000 I don't understand what threat they serve either. 0.99

02:09:27.000 And what benefit would it be for them to start some shit with us? 0.99

02:09:31.000 That is the craziest idea ever. 0.99

02:09:33.000 It's like a nine-year-old kid trying to pick a fight with Mike Tyson. 1.00

02:09:38.000 It's fucking crazy. 1.00

02:09:39.000 It doesn't make any sense. 0.99

02:09:40.000 What are you trying to do? 0.74

02:09:42.000 Trying to get killed?

02:09:43.000 I mean, inevitably we're trying to get to the global confrontation with China and Russia, I guess.

02:09:48.000 I mean, it's scary to think that we only have a couple independent states left to knock down to be under complete subjugation from the U.S. military and global capitalism.

02:09:59.000 It's pretty nuts.

02:10:00.000 Well, not only that, even if we do move into some sort of a situation where we're in control, then we're a bigger target. 0.98

02:10:12.000 And with the amount of nuclear weapons that are possessed by these countries that were, I mean, just what North Korea has, just this one small fucked up country, could ruin life on Earth. 0.96

02:10:27.000 Just this one country. 0.98

02:10:30.000 And forget about Russia.

02:10:32.000 We could literally annihilate each other.

02:10:35.000 That's a possibility.

02:10:37.000 I mean, if someone chose to launch an attack, if they decided that they have the justification to launch an attack, then all of a sudden we're in a real war. 0.95

02:10:47.000 Like a fucking war-war where people are invading us. 0.99

02:10:51.000 Shits get knocked down, buildings and bombs blow up. 1.00

02:10:54.000 I mean, over what? 1.00

02:10:56.000 This can't be avoided?

02:10:58.000 This is the only way?

02:11:00.000 The only way is missiles and bombs?

02:11:02.000 Like you said, we're not evolving or devolving.

02:11:05.000 I mean, it's unbelievable.

02:11:06.000 We have the capacity to provide for everyone.

02:11:09.000 We have the capacity to cooperate, to innovate.

02:11:13.000 And we're stuck.

02:11:14.000 We're stuck dehumanizing the other.

02:11:16.000 We're stuck with this mass conditioning to basically perpetuate these injustices.

02:11:22.000 And it's really a shame.

02:11:24.000 I mean, we have all the information at our fingertips, but we still keep reverting back to what's the myths that underpin our society.

02:11:32.000 These conversations I have with you are so depressing. 0.99

02:11:34.000 Because I always leave going, what the fuck? 0.99

02:11:38.000 What can be done? 0.99

02:11:39.000 What can we do?

02:11:41.000 Where does it end?

02:11:42.000 Where does it go?

02:11:44.000 These are the big questions.

02:11:46.000 And then also, what we discussed before, it's impossible for anyone to really have a deep, nuanced understanding of all these different issues.

02:11:57.000 Right, right.

02:11:58.000 I mean, I think focusing on what you can do, we can only do what we can do.

02:12:01.000 And you have to understand that you can't get debilitated or disillusioned with the influx of information or just the complete...

02:12:10.000 You know, the heaviness of it all.

02:12:12.000 You just have to do what you can do.

02:12:13.000 You're doing what you can do.

02:12:14.000 You have me on to help spread awareness about these issues and that's what you can do.

02:12:19.000 That's my annual freakout.

02:12:21.000 The Abby Martin freakout.

02:12:22.000 You're about to get spammed with a lot of Hasbro.

02:12:25.000 They don't have my real email.

02:12:26.000 It's okay.

02:12:27.000 But that's what we can do, Joe.

02:12:29.000 And you just have to live your life and provide for your kids and love what you have.

02:12:36.000 But also just understand your place, you know, and just extend the empathy that you can and just, yeah.

02:12:42.000 I mean, it's hard because I don't have the answer.

02:12:44.000 All I know is what's needed.

02:12:46.000 And what's needed is we need a movement of the masses.

02:12:49.000 It's not going to come from the top-down world.

02:12:51.000 It's gonna come from a grassroots mobilized effort to try to change these policies.

02:12:56.000 That's the only way things have ever changed in the past.

02:12:58.000 And I absolutely have hope and optimism that we're gonna change things and that we're going to correct this horrible path that we're on.

02:13:06.000 Do you think that the 2020 elections can have a real significant impact of any of this?

02:13:12.000 Do you think that whoever gets into office can really have an effect on the kind of policies that we're talking about with the kind of influence of the military-industrial complex, of all these lobbyists, of Wall Street, of all these monstrous machines that this pure,

02:13:30.000 good old-fashioned democracy can actually step in and turn this ship away from the rocks? 1.00

02:13:37.000 Bernie, I really do think that he's one of our last chances.

02:13:40.000 Not because I think that he's going to completely do some revolutionary upheaval from the top down.

02:13:45.000 As we know, Congress is stacked with a lot of terrible people who will block a lot of these efforts.

02:13:50.000 But I think that he's going to mobilize the masses and reinvigorate the labor movement and reinvigorate unions.

02:13:56.000 Help workers understand that they need to fight for these rights that have been eviscerated over the last hundred years.

02:14:04.000 One thing that does inspire me as well is seeing people like Ilhan Omar.

02:14:09.000 She is incredible.

02:14:10.000 She's a Somali refugee. 0.99

02:14:12.000 She advocates BDS against Israel and she does not fucking back down. 0.99

02:14:17.000 I love that woman. 0.99

02:14:18.000 What an incredible woman. 1.00

02:14:19.000 She got viciously attacked for retweeting one of my episodes from Empire Files, and I think it just shows how scared people are of her and her ideas.

02:14:28.000 And you saw how hard everyone came down on her for just saying that Israel has an influential lobby in D.C. Yeah.

02:14:36.000 Well, she's also wearing religious garb, so people are scared of that right away, the hijab. 0.98

02:14:42.000 And then there was some hit piece on her.

02:14:45.000 Yesterday, they're saying they think she married a brother. 0.99

02:14:48.000 Oh, that's ridiculous. 0.85

02:14:50.000 Yeah, they think she, to get into this country, that she had a religious marriage, but then she had another, yeah, I don't know what. 0.85

02:14:56.000 She's the only one in Congress other than Tlaib and, of course, AOC and, you know, some other very few people.

02:15:03.000 But she's out there every day speaking against the military-industrial complex, speaking against the wars.

02:15:07.000 I think as a refugee, she understands the effects of U.S. policy.

02:15:12.000 And I'm really excited that she has a voice in there.

02:15:15.000 But again, I don't think that the hope is going to come from within Congress.

02:15:18.000 And the system is way too far gone with the Electoral College and the gerrymandering and the voter rights that have been rescinded.

02:15:27.000 It's a lot and it's an uphill battle.

02:15:29.000 But that's why someone like Bernie, I think, will turn to the people and say, I can't do this alone.

02:15:35.000 You have to come out and get my back.

02:15:37.000 And we have to have millions of people in the streets demanding these things.

02:15:41.000 That's the only way it's going to work.

02:15:43.000 All right, Abby.

02:15:45.000 You freaked me out. 1.00

02:15:46.000 Thank God Andrew Santino is going on later and we're going to get high and talk shit. 1.00

02:15:50.000 Get high. 1.00

02:15:51.000 Get high.

02:15:52.000 Check out Empire Files.

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02:16:17.000 Thank you, my friend.

02:16:18.000 Love you, Joe.

02:16:19.000 Thank you so much, man.

02:16:20.000 Abby Martin, folks!

The Joe Rogan Experience - June 24, 2019

Joe Rogan Experience #1316 - Abby Martin

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