The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1346 - Zuby

00:00:03.000 And we're live.

00:00:04.000 What's going on, brother?

00:00:05.000 How are you?

00:00:05.000 I'm awesome, man.

00:00:06.000 It's good to be here.

00:00:07.000 Good to have you here, man.

00:00:08.000 Thank you.

00:00:08.000 I've never had a guy come in wear his own hat and his own t-shirt.

00:00:11.000 You're number one.

00:00:12.000 You're the first.

00:00:13.000 I'm surprised by that given how many podcasts you've done, but that's how I roll.

00:00:17.000 I don't know if anybody's ever come in wearing their own shirt.

00:00:19.000 Jamie, any thoughts?

00:00:22.000 Someone has to have.

00:00:23.000 Someone has to have.

00:00:24.000 I just can't recall it.

00:00:25.000 Yeah, I don't know.

00:00:25.000 Definitely no one has worn their own hat and their own shirt.

00:00:28.000 Oh, yeah?

00:00:29.000 Maybe Eddie's worn his own shirt, but that's a 10th planet shirt.

00:00:32.000 That doesn't totally count.

00:00:33.000 It's a shirt with my face on it, too, so...

00:00:35.000 That's a triple whammy.

00:00:36.000 Ari? 0.99

00:00:37.000 Ari? 0.99

00:00:38.000 Want to get a new shirt or something?

00:00:39.000 Maybe.

00:00:40.000 I don't know.

00:00:41.000 I don't think so.

00:00:42.000 Maybe.

00:00:43.000 Anyway.

00:00:44.000 What's going on, man?

00:00:44.000 How long are you here for?

00:00:45.000 I'm all good, man.

00:00:46.000 I'm in LA for two weeks.

00:00:48.000 It's my very first time here, so I just got here two days ago, so just kind of soaking it in. 0.99

00:00:52.000 What's the mind fuck like? 0.99

00:00:53.000 It's crazy, huh? 1.00

00:00:54.000 It's weird, man.

00:00:55.000 I feel like I was driving around in an Uber and it feels like GTA. I think more like GTA feels like LA because that's what it's based on, but it was just kind of trippy.

00:01:04.000 There's levels to the game, right?

00:01:06.000 The top level of the game is probably either Singapore, Beijing, or Mexico City.

00:01:15.000 Mexico City is the only thing that I've ever seen that's more chaotic than L.A., but L.A. is right up there.

00:01:22.000 Yeah, I think Lagos is more chaotic.

00:01:24.000 Lagos?

00:01:25.000 Lagos, Nigeria.

00:01:26.000 I've never been.

00:01:27.000 That's more chaotic?

00:01:28.000 Yeah, and Cairo.

00:01:29.000 They're definitely more chaotic.

00:01:31.000 Cairo, Egypt?

00:01:31.000 Really?

00:01:32.000 Yeah, I found them more chaotic.

00:01:33.000 Well, Cairo, man, I would love to go to Cairo, but I am nervous about traveling to Egypt.

00:01:41.000 I keep hearing two stories from people that go all the time, like Egyptologists.

00:01:47.000 They say it's amazing.

00:01:48.000 Amazing, don't worry about it.

00:01:50.000 The worst thing you have to deal with is constant beggars. 1.00

00:01:52.000 And then you hear from other people, fuck that! 1.00

00:01:56.000 Don't go there. 1.00

00:01:57.000 It's sketchy.

00:01:58.000 Yeah, I haven't been for a long time.

00:02:00.000 When I went, it was when I was a kid.

00:02:01.000 Oh, okay.

00:02:02.000 Yeah, but Lagos I've been to more recently, and it's certainly more hectic and chaotic than I think here is.

00:02:07.000 Here it's just interesting.

00:02:09.000 It's very, very, very spread out, and just seeing, yeah, there's people driving everywhere, not much public transport and all that.

00:02:15.000 Even compared to other cities in the U.S., it just seems like a totally different vibe.

00:02:19.000 I like it.

00:02:20.000 Yeah, there's just too many people stuffed into one area and everyone's driving or they're in an Uber so someone else is driving them.

00:02:26.000 So it's just constant driving.

00:02:28.000 Yeah, but I'm happy to be here, man.

00:02:29.000 It's a little bit surreal, but it's cool.

00:02:31.000 Yeah, I'm sure, right?

00:02:32.000 So what are you doing on here?

00:02:34.000 I'm doing this.

00:02:36.000 I was on the Rubin Report yesterday, actually.

00:02:40.000 I've got a whole bunch of podcasts.

00:02:42.000 That conservative guy?

00:02:42.000 That conservative guy.

00:02:43.000 That conservative guy on Blaze TV? Do you know the story they wrote about him?

00:02:47.000 He responded, he's like, I'm pro-gay marriage, pro-weed legalization, pro-prison reform, pro-immigration, pro all these different things.

00:02:57.000 And yet people are calling him conservative.

00:02:58.000 Well, you know, we live in a times where everyone's saying is right wing, so let it be so.

00:03:03.000 I don't know.

00:03:04.000 Well, if you're not as progressive as humanly possible, you're alt-right.

00:03:09.000 Well, yeah, exactly.

00:03:10.000 Pretty much.

00:03:11.000 I've seen all sorts of titles levied onto everybody, including yourself.

00:03:17.000 What about you?

00:03:19.000 For people who don't know, Zuby won the world championships in women's powerlifting.

00:03:26.000 You identified as a woman for a brief period of time.

00:03:29.000 Yeah, nine seconds.

00:03:29.000 That's all you have to do.

00:03:31.000 I mean, this is the world we live in.

00:03:33.000 Dude, that thing blew the internet up.

00:03:34.000 It's crazy.

00:03:35.000 We were laughing.

00:03:36.000 Insane how far it went, man.

00:03:37.000 Yeah, I know.

00:03:37.000 I saw that.

00:03:38.000 People...

00:03:39.000 There it is.

00:03:40.000 P.S. I identify as a woman whilst lifting the weight.

00:03:43.000 Don't be a bigot.

00:03:44.000 You know, I think when you first talked about that, I had like 40,000 followers.

00:03:49.000 It's now well over 115. And when I posted it, I had 15,000 followers.

00:03:55.000 So I've gained 150. I've gained like...

00:03:57.000 102,000 followers.

00:03:58.000 Yeah, like 105,000 followers since that video.

00:04:02.000 It worked.

00:04:02.000 Congratulations.

00:04:03.000 Yeah, thanks, man.

00:04:04.000 It really does highlight how preposterous these new world rules that we have regarding gender are.

00:04:12.000 But to their credit, the US Powerlifting Federation, I believe that's the name of the organization, they just banned transgender women from competing.

00:04:21.000 Okay.

00:04:22.000 They said stop.

00:04:23.000 Just flat.

00:04:24.000 There's enough.

00:04:24.000 Enough of that.

00:04:25.000 I think if you want to compete, I don't think there's anything wrong with transgender women competing, but I think they should compete against transgender women.

00:04:32.000 Just like how we have men compete against men and we have women compete against women, let's have transgender women compete against transgender women. 0.97

00:04:39.000 Let's not deny science and biology just to make people feel better and just to support some strange progressive ideology.

00:04:46.000 Yeah, I think if the goal is—that's why I think the goal is more about—it's more ideologically driven than I think it is actual inclusion driven.

00:04:55.000 Because if it's just about inclusion, then yeah, you can either just have an open category, like most men's categories already are.

00:05:02.000 They're not actually restricted to men.

00:05:03.000 It's just, you know, the best of the best, so anyone can do this.

00:05:06.000 So either that or— If there are enough athletes in whatever the given sport or competition is, then yeah, you can just have a different category, and that way everyone can be included without stepping on the feet of half the population.

00:05:18.000 That's a bold move by the men.

00:05:20.000 Say, anybody can be in here.

00:05:21.000 Come on in.

00:05:22.000 That's how it is in pool, you know.

00:05:24.000 Men can't compete in the women's division of pool, but women can compete in the men's division.

00:05:29.000 Yeah, it's the same in most sports.

00:05:31.000 Most people aren't aware of that.

00:05:32.000 Most people think that they have specific restrictions saying only men can do them, but that's actually quite rare.

00:05:37.000 Well, there's a lot of successful female-to-male athletes where females transition to males and dominate male sports.

00:05:47.000 Okay.

00:05:48.000 No, it's not true.

00:05:49.000 I made it up.

00:05:49.000 Oh, okay.

00:05:50.000 100% fair.

00:05:51.000 It's never going to happen.

00:05:53.000 I was there trying to think a lot. 0.99

00:05:54.000 People are listening and going, what the fuck? 1.00

00:05:56.000 What is going on? 1.00

00:05:58.000 Have you seen this?

00:05:59.000 There's a soccer player that wants to be in the NFL as a kicker because there's a video of her doing a place kick of a 55-yard field goal recently.

00:06:07.000 That's incredible.

00:06:08.000 That's really far, right?

00:06:09.000 No one coming out or anything.

00:06:10.000 It was just like in practice, but she nailed it, which is pretty far.

00:06:13.000 Yes.

00:06:14.000 Well, can you tackle kickers?

00:06:17.000 They can get hit, yeah. 0.99

00:06:18.000 During the actual play of the kick, they're not supposed to be touched, but for sure they're in the play of the field, so they can get fucked up. 0.99

00:06:24.000 That's not good. 0.98

00:06:26.000 That's where the problem is.

00:06:27.000 Carla, love ya, but stop. 0.93

00:06:30.000 Yeah, that's a bad idea.

00:06:31.000 Oh, by the way, I brought a couple things for you, man.

00:06:34.000 Is it a Zuby t-shirt? 0.69

00:06:36.000 It's my latest album.

00:06:37.000 That is a Zuby t-shirt.

00:06:38.000 That one actually glows in the dark.

00:06:40.000 It glows in the dark.

00:06:41.000 It does.

00:06:41.000 Is it good for the environment?

00:06:43.000 Hopefully.

00:06:44.000 Does it kill turtles?

00:06:46.000 Not that aggressively.

00:06:47.000 And that's my new fitness book there as well.

00:06:49.000 Oh, you have a book?

00:06:50.000 I'm sure you already know all that.

00:06:52.000 What is...

00:06:53.000 Oh, it's workout routines and...

00:06:55.000 Yeah, just giving people what they need to know about nutrition, training, mindset, motivation.

00:07:01.000 I just wanted to keep it brief and concise, all the stuff that I think is most important that people need to know, whether they're beginners or intermediates.

00:07:07.000 Oh, this is a good-sized book to read.

00:07:09.000 Yeah, I put it out first as an e-book, but then a lot of people asked me to do physical copies.

00:07:13.000 Oh, that's cool.

00:07:14.000 I did those just before leaving the UK, and they've essentially sold out already.

00:07:17.000 Nice! 0.94

00:07:18.000 Congratulations on that. 1.00

00:07:19.000 All you lazy fucks, get out there. 1.00

00:07:21.000 This is a good book for you because it's short. 1.00

00:07:23.000 People see a fat book, they're like, oh, too much work.

00:07:28.000 But this is not even 100 pages.

00:07:31.000 It's 86, what is it?

00:07:33.000 93 pages.

00:07:34.000 93. Boom.

00:07:35.000 Simple.

00:07:35.000 There we go.

00:07:36.000 Strong advice.

00:07:37.000 We can all benefit.

00:07:38.000 What is your background athletically?

00:07:40.000 Athletically.

00:07:41.000 I used to actually play rugby.

00:07:43.000 I don't know how much you know about my background.

00:07:46.000 I was born in the UK. I grew up in Saudi Arabia.

00:07:49.000 When I lived in Saudi, I used to play baseball and football, or what you guys would call soccer.

00:07:57.000 Those were my main sports.

00:07:59.000 I also did swimming and a bunch of other things.

00:08:01.000 Then I went to the UK for boarding school, actually, when I was 11 years old.

00:08:05.000 Dude!

00:08:06.000 And there's no baseball there, so I, yeah, rugby became my main sport.

00:08:11.000 I started playing rugby when I was 11 years old, and I played that all the way through to university, and I got into just lifting weights and stuff when I was in my mid-teens.

00:08:21.000 I have a friend who's British, and he says that that is way more common in Europe and the UK, sending kids off to boarding school.

00:08:29.000 Yeah, I do think so.

00:08:32.000 I mean, with me, it was largely because I was in the American school system in Saudi Arabia.

00:08:37.000 So after fifth grade, because there's a little bit of a transition between the two systems, they're quite different.

00:08:44.000 So it was thought that if I'd stayed all the way up until ninth grade, then it would be a little bit difficult for me to transition into the British school system and university system.

00:08:52.000 So my parents decided when I was 11, same with my older siblings, like we all went to boarding school when we were pretty young.

00:08:59.000 So yeah, came back over to the UK and was kind of back and forth between the two countries for several years.

00:09:05.000 And yeah, did things that way.

00:09:07.000 Was your dad in the military or something?

00:09:09.000 No, my dad's actually a medical doctor.

00:09:10.000 Oh, okay.

00:09:11.000 Yeah, he's a medical doctor, but he worked for a big oil company out in Saudi.

00:09:15.000 So we lived there for a couple of, you know, two decades pretty much.

00:09:18.000 What was that like?

00:09:19.000 I enjoyed growing up in Saudi, man.

00:09:20.000 Really?

00:09:21.000 Yeah, I actually really liked it.

00:09:22.000 What was it like?

00:09:24.000 It's weird, it reminds me of LA. I'm being serious.

00:09:30.000 I wasn't ready for that.

00:09:35.000 If there are, then you don't really see them.

00:09:39.000 No, but just I think the heat and the way the roads are, the way it looks, actually.

00:09:44.000 Really?

00:09:45.000 Yeah, because if you live, like where I lived was sort of an expat community, basically.

00:09:49.000 So we live kind of in a compound.

00:09:51.000 So where I lived was a little bit of a bubble.

00:09:54.000 And then outside of that, you kind of got what I'd call the real Saudi. 0.99

00:09:58.000 So if you go out into the city or you want to go shopping or something like that, then you're out there in the real city.

00:10:02.000 So it's very, very different.

00:10:05.000 It's interesting with me because my family background is originally from Nigeria, but then I was born in England.

00:10:10.000 I live in England now, but I lived in Saudi Arabia for 19 years or so.

00:10:15.000 So I've kind of had exposure a lot to three very different cultures and ways of doing things.

00:10:26.000 Yeah, what a broad range of culture that you've been exposed to. 0.95

00:10:35.000 That's pretty fucking cool.

00:10:37.000 Nigeria is a strange spot because I've never been, but when you look at the numbers of successful immigrants like businessmen and people that have come over from Nigeria and how industrious they are, and then you look at how many successful Nigerian scammers there are, 1.00

00:10:55.000 It's a wise, very clever place.

00:10:58.000 You got the email from the prince too, huh?

00:10:59.000 I didn't get it.

00:11:00.000 Well, I'm sure I have.

00:11:01.000 But the one I was thinking about was Jamie was telling me a story yesterday about a guy who, what did he sell?

00:11:08.000 He sold a non-existent bank?

00:11:10.000 Airport.

00:11:11.000 Airport.

00:11:11.000 To a bank.

00:11:12.000 To a bank.

00:11:13.000 That's right.

00:11:14.000 He sold a non-existent airport to a bank.

00:11:17.000 There's been several stories over the last couple of weeks about Nigerian scammers making big scores.

00:11:23.000 Yeah, there's one that I think closed down a Brazilian bank.

00:11:26.000 They took so much of their money that the bank had to shut down.

00:11:30.000 What is it about Nigeria?

00:11:32.000 Why are they so good at that?

00:11:34.000 A lot of smart and enterprising people.

00:11:37.000 And I think if that's channeled in the right way, then that's a very good thing.

00:11:40.000 Well, obviously, the resources are very limited, so they're deciding to just go dark and scam people.

00:11:47.000 But as a person who hasn't been a victim of this, it's quite amusing.

00:11:52.000 If you see some of the stuff that can get pulled off, it's quite impressive.

00:11:58.000 It is very much like man.

00:12:01.000 It's actually 330 equivalent to American dollars, 330 million.

00:12:06.000 It happened in the 90s though, I guess.

00:12:08.000 The story is just now going around for whatever reason, but it happened in the 90s, which is what this says.

00:12:12.000 Con man once sold an airport that didn't exist for $330 million.

00:12:16.000 Now, stop and think about that.

00:12:18.000 $330 million in the 90s is probably like $600 million today or something. 0.99

00:12:22.000 Fucking bananas. 0.97

00:12:23.000 That's hilarious. 0.99

00:12:25.000 Yeah, there's some crazy stuff that people do. 0.91

00:12:27.000 Nigerian fraudster and con artist Emanuel... 0.94

00:12:31.000 How do you pronounce his last name? 0.98

00:12:33.000 N-W-U-D-E. Mude, maybe. 0.98

00:12:36.000 Mude.

00:12:37.000 Say it again?

00:12:37.000 Mude, I guess.

00:12:39.000 Something like that.

00:12:39.000 What are you...

00:12:40.000 Are you starting with an M? How are you saying it?

00:12:43.000 Mude.

00:12:44.000 With an N. But how are you doing it?

00:12:47.000 It's an N, but it's... 0.56

00:12:50.000 The pronunciation's a little bit different.

00:12:53.000 Say it again?

00:12:54.000 Mude.

00:12:56.000 It sounds to me like you're saying Mude.

00:12:57.000 No, it's an N. Go ahead again. 0.81

00:12:59.000 I'm going to close my eyes.

00:13:00.000 Weirdly enough, that guy's name is two letters off my actual first name.

00:13:04.000 Really?

00:13:05.000 Yeah.

00:13:05.000 Tell anybody what your real first name is.

00:13:07.000 Nzube. 0.98

00:13:08.000 Whoa! 0.71

00:13:09.000 Which is spelled N-Z-U-B-E. So that's actually two letters different.

00:13:14.000 So you just said Zube would be a little bit more...

00:13:16.000 Yeah, Zube is just easier.

00:13:19.000 It's cool.

00:13:19.000 It's a cool name, too.

00:13:20.000 No one has that.

00:13:21.000 Yeah, thank you.

00:13:21.000 I've never heard of Zube before.

00:13:23.000 So he pulled off the third largest con in history by selling a non-existent airport to a Brazilian bank for 242 million US dollars.

00:13:30.000 Before Nigerian internet scams became synonymous with your original early 2000s email account, Mude, did I do it?

00:13:39.000 Yeah, close enough.

00:13:39.000 Thank you.

00:13:40.000 Successfully convinced an unassuming bank manager by the name of Nelson Sakaguchi that he was selling a yet-to-be-built airport for a price of $330 million as the former director of the Union Bank of Nigeria himself,

00:13:56.000 Mude, was privy to confidential information that was crucial to him pulling off his long con. 0.98

00:14:02.000 So he knew shit about banking. 0.95

00:14:05.000 Using the information, he then impersonated the governor of Central Bank of Nigeria at the time. 0.99

00:14:12.000 Okay, here's another one.

00:14:13.000 Paul Oguma?

00:14:16.000 Oguma.

00:14:17.000 Oguma? 0.83

00:14:17.000 Oguma. 0.83

00:14:18.000 So you wouldn't go Wuma. 0.96

00:14:20.000 It's Oguma. 0.96

00:14:22.000 Oguma.

00:14:23.000 And connected with Sakuguchi.

00:14:28.000 We need Steve Aoki to come back and help us with the Japanese name.

00:14:31.000 To inform him of a mouthwatering deal.

00:14:34.000 Nigeria's plan to build a brand new airport in another one.

00:14:38.000 Abuja?

00:14:38.000 Abuja, yeah.

00:14:39.000 That's the capital.

00:14:40.000 To juice it up a bit for poor Sakaguchi, Mude promised the head of the Brazilian bank a commission fee to the tune of 10 million US dollars if the deal was approved.

00:14:52.000 To get it over the line, Sakaguchi paid 191 million in cash!

00:14:57.000 As you do, and the remainder in the form of outstanding interest awaited patiently for the construction of said airport.

00:15:06.000 Wow.

00:15:07.000 Wow.

00:15:08.000 That's the kind of thing you can only pull off once, huh?

00:15:10.000 Yeah.

00:15:11.000 If you can get that guy again, you're a wizard.

00:15:13.000 I just saw a guy that got scammed, and there was a documentary about it.

00:15:16.000 It was a television show, rather.

00:15:18.000 It was really sad, because he was a dude who was an older gentleman, looked like he was in his 60s, and he was convinced that there was this woman who was his love, and she lived in Europe, and he traveled there, and he was sending her money and the whole deal, and he traveled there twice to meet her,

00:15:35.000 and both times she couldn't see him.

00:15:37.000 Both times.

00:15:38.000 Oh, wow.

00:15:39.000 But he still believed. 0.99

00:15:40.000 And his daughter was like, I don't know what the fuck to do. 0.99

00:15:43.000 This guy really believes. 0.99

00:15:45.000 And you could see he had this lost look in his eye.

00:15:47.000 He really believed that there was a woman over there that was corresponding with him back and forth.

00:15:52.000 And he was sending her money.

00:15:53.000 He sent her a lot of money.

00:15:55.000 I think it was more than $100,000, if I remember correctly.

00:15:58.000 And he really believed that she was going to be there for him.

00:16:02.000 And then when he went over there, something came up.

00:16:04.000 And she couldn't meet him.

00:16:05.000 Yeah.

00:16:06.000 Yeah, it's weird.

00:16:07.000 With stuff like this, I always feel like...

00:16:09.000 In some way, you kind of feel sad for the person, but in another, you're kind of like, what were you thinking?

00:16:15.000 How do you bounce back from that?

00:16:17.000 People hit some lows.

00:16:18.000 People hit some lows in life.

00:16:20.000 How do you bounce back from thinking that there's a girl in Europe that's going to be your love and sending her $100,000 and traveling over there twice and getting duped both times?

00:16:34.000 How do you bounce back from that?

00:16:36.000 I think the first thing you should do is not tell anybody.

00:16:38.000 Like, take the L without just quietly.

00:16:43.000 Just take it quietly and privately and don't tell people.

00:16:47.000 His daughter knew about it.

00:16:49.000 And then the camera crew. 1.00

00:16:52.000 I mean, this motherfucker brought a camera crew. 1.00

00:16:53.000 I don't know why. 0.99

00:16:58.000 I vaguely remember this, and I think it was about 10 years ago.

00:17:01.000 I think the show was all about people that were getting scammed.

00:17:04.000 It was about why people get scammed and what is it that makes people believe ridiculous things.

00:17:11.000 But when it comes to romance and money, those are the two where people get greedy.

00:17:15.000 Yeah, I was literally going to say it's greed.

00:17:17.000 It's greed, because only greedy people can fall for some of those things.

00:17:20.000 I mean, you see some of those scams, and it'll come through saying, okay, I've just inherited $30 million, and I need somebody in the U.S. with a U.S. bank account to help me out with this, and I'll give you a 10% cut.

00:17:31.000 And, you know, that should raise a lot of red flags for anybody who's kind of thinking with their head on straight.

00:17:38.000 That's true, but if you pay attention to televangelists, do you have those in the U.K.? Not like the ones in the US. In the US, it's another level.

00:17:47.000 US, it's another level, man.

00:17:50.000 Everything's another level over here.

00:17:51.000 Yeah, everything's bigger.

00:17:53.000 Including, I mean, you get those megachurches.

00:17:56.000 There's probably one or two megachurches out there in the UK or in Europe in general, but not...

00:18:02.000 One or two.

00:18:03.000 That's it.

00:18:04.000 I don't know.

00:18:04.000 I'm not even aware of any.

00:18:06.000 I'm kind of hedging my bet saying there's probably a couple, but I'm not aware of any.

00:18:10.000 How many megachurches do you think we have in America?

00:18:13.000 How many do you think we just have in Texas?

00:18:15.000 Yeah.

00:18:16.000 Texas might have a million of them.

00:18:18.000 Yeah.

00:18:18.000 Because, I mean, the guys who run those things, they're like, I mean, they themselves are celebrities, right?

00:18:24.000 Oh, yeah.

00:18:24.000 There's at least 10 because it says here's an article about the 10 largest.

00:18:28.000 In Texas?

00:18:29.000 Yeah, just in Texas.

00:18:30.000 Wow.

00:18:32.000 Yeah, those things are... 1.00

00:18:34.000 That Joel Osteen guy, he's a fucking baller and a half. 0.99

00:18:37.000 He's got private jets and mansions, and he bought a stadium. 0.99

00:18:42.000 He bought a sports stadium and converted it into his gigantic megachurch.

00:18:46.000 Apparently a megachurch is defined as a church with over 2,000 members.

00:18:51.000 Over 2,000.

00:18:52.000 That's a lot of people giving me 10%.

00:18:54.000 At least 200 in Texas.

00:18:56.000 And everyone's giving 10%, or at least most of them are giving 10%, right?

00:19:00.000 If they're tithing correctly.

00:19:03.000 How many do you think there are nationwide?

00:19:05.000 Let's take a guess.

00:19:06.000 How many megachurches are there in America?

00:19:09.000 So do we know how many there are in Texas?

00:19:10.000 That's just 10 biggest in Texas?

00:19:11.000 There's at least 200 in Texas.

00:19:13.000 200?

00:19:14.000 Oh, wow.

00:19:16.000 200 in Texas. 1.00

00:19:18.000 200 fucking people ripping people off. 1.00

00:19:22.000 If there's 200 in Texas, wow. 1.00

00:19:26.000 I'm gonna say 3,000 nationwide.

00:19:28.000 That's what I'm gonna say.

00:19:29.000 You're gonna say 3,000?

00:19:30.000 3,000 megachurches nationwide.

00:19:32.000 Yeah, I'd approximate around that.

00:19:34.000 I'd approximate around that.

00:19:36.000 What do you think, Jamie?

00:19:38.000 You got your hand on Google, though.

00:19:40.000 Don't be cheating.

00:19:41.000 No, too late.

00:19:42.000 I'm already got answers.

00:19:43.000 Because I'd imagine some states don't have any.

00:19:45.000 What did you think it was going to be, Jamie?

00:19:46.000 A couple hundred?

00:19:47.000 Five hundred?

00:19:49.000 I would say less than that, even.

00:19:50.000 I don't know.

00:19:51.000 I didn't think there was that many.

00:19:52.000 It's somewhere in the range of...

00:19:55.000 Well, so since it's 2,000, that seems low because, like, I went to Catholic Church and there's more than 2,000 people at some of those churches.

00:20:01.000 Right, but they're saying megachurches, right?

00:20:03.000 Yeah, but that's just more than 2,000 members are in the church.

00:20:06.000 Well, maybe they just think 2,000 scammers.

00:20:10.000 It says there's 1,300 such Protestant churches, but then it goes into, like, there's 3,000 individual Catholic parishes that have more than 2,000 people, so...

00:20:19.000 It gets squirrel.

00:20:20.000 That's what I was saying.

00:20:21.000 Several thousand.

00:20:22.000 I think there are large churches that are legitimate.

00:20:26.000 They're really following the Christian doctrine, and they're really holding real services, and they're really wanting good for people.

00:20:33.000 And then there's those dudes that have the super expensive tailored suits, and they're driving around in Rolls Royces.

00:20:39.000 Prosperity gospel, they call it.

00:20:41.000 Prosperity gospel.

00:20:42.000 If you give, then you'll get...

00:20:44.000 See what I have?

00:20:46.000 You'll get what I have if you...

00:20:48.000 Bring me your money.

00:20:50.000 Yeah, it's...

00:20:51.000 I've got...

00:20:52.000 The flying pastor.

00:20:53.000 Oh, wow.

00:20:54.000 Oh.

00:20:54.000 Wait, wait, wait.

00:20:56.000 You haven't seen this game?

00:20:58.000 Wait, wait, wait.

00:21:00.000 Mississippi pastor dubbed the flying pastor glides into Christmas service.

00:21:04.000 He's gliding in with an angel outfit on.

00:21:06.000 Please rewind.

00:21:07.000 He does it a lot.

00:21:08.000 He does it a lot.

00:21:08.000 Oh my God, this is so crazy.

00:21:11.000 This is...

00:21:11.000 He's got an outfit on, and he's flying from the sky.

00:21:15.000 Oh my god, that's his move.

00:21:17.000 That's a good move.

00:21:18.000 Okay, because now everybody knows about this move.

00:21:22.000 Oh, he's bringing chicks in. 1.00

00:21:24.000 Is that Beyonce spinning around? 0.99

00:21:28.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:21:28.000 You know, Pink had one of them goddamn things. 1.00

00:21:30.000 No, she didn't. 0.99

00:21:31.000 She was doing aerial, those silk things, and she fell.

00:21:35.000 Oh, really?

00:21:36.000 Oh, wow. 1.00

00:21:36.000 And fucked herself up really bad. 1.00

00:21:39.000 Like, she had, like, internal bleeding and fluid in her lungs. 0.99

00:21:43.000 Yeah, it was bad.

00:21:45.000 Wow.

00:21:45.000 Yeah, no, these megachurches.

00:21:47.000 I think a church, like you said, with a congregation of over 2,000 people, if they're sticking to the script and doing what they're meant to be doing and not trying to fleece their congregation, then absolutely nothing wrong with that.

00:22:00.000 The ones who use their position of power and their cult of personality to then just enrich themselves at the expense of their congregation.

00:22:09.000 Those are the people I think God's gonna be having a serious word with.

00:22:12.000 God's gonna be very mad at them.

00:22:13.000 I don't think he's gonna be pleased. 0.99

00:22:14.000 But it's interesting that they, like the Nigerian scammers, they're just playing off of weak minds. 1.00

00:22:20.000 They've just tapped into this group of humans that's gullible and believes nonsense and they know how to pull those strings. 0.69

00:22:29.000 Yeah, I think it's, like I say, when I say I think God is going to be having a word with those people, I mean that.

00:22:34.000 I mean that very seriously.

00:22:36.000 Because I think it's, you know, it's one thing ripping people off or doing some kind of scam or deception or something.

00:22:44.000 It's another one using the power of religion to do so, where you know that this is what these people believe and you're in this position of power and you're now just using that authority to buy yourself new Bentleys.

00:23:02.000 Wasn't there one where, what's that guy's name?

00:23:04.000 Is it Creflo Dollar?

00:23:06.000 Yeah, what did he do?

00:23:07.000 Well, I think he had a G4. Yeah, and he did basically like a crowdfunding appeal to his congregation saying that his current private jet is the old model and he needs the new model.

00:23:23.000 And he crowdfunded, I think, to get the G4. I saw this thing.

00:23:27.000 I was just like, oh my gosh. 0.79

00:23:30.000 If you're shameless and you're famous, I bet...

00:23:34.000 Taylor Swift could crowdfund a private jet. 0.99

00:23:36.000 As ridiculous as it sounds. 0.94

00:23:37.000 Probably. 1.00

00:23:38.000 If you just were shameless.

00:23:40.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:23:40.000 If you're just like, I don't give a fuck. 1.00

00:23:42.000 I need a private jet. 1.00

00:23:43.000 I want y'all to buy it for me.

00:23:45.000 Here's the link.

00:23:46.000 I think that's shameless, but to say you're going to do this and you're going to go to heaven because you did this.

00:23:49.000 Did Creflo Dollar say that you're going to go to heaven if you hook up?

00:23:52.000 Well, his whole thing's the prosperity gospel.

00:23:54.000 So I'm sure there was something...

00:23:56.000 In that, you know, be generous now and, you know, you'll be rewarded later.

00:24:00.000 There it is.

00:24:00.000 Creflo Dollar would get $70 million Gulfstream G650. Yeah, that's not right, man.

00:24:07.000 Whoa.

00:24:07.000 So, somehow or another, he crowdfunded $70 million?

00:24:12.000 Is that real?

00:24:13.000 Did he really get that much money?

00:24:14.000 That is a lot of money for a jet.

00:24:16.000 Why do they cost so much?

00:24:17.000 They're made out of metal.

00:24:18.000 What are they made out of it?

00:24:19.000 What's going on in there that's so much money?

00:24:21.000 How is that $70 million?

00:24:23.000 Like, if that was a car, right?

00:24:25.000 Yeah.

00:24:27.000 You'd be like, well, it's a nice car.

00:24:29.000 It's in the air.

00:24:30.000 It flies.

00:24:31.000 It does fly.

00:24:31.000 I get it.

00:24:32.000 I mean, nothing goes in the fucking air. 0.99

00:24:34.000 I understand, but how much different is it? 0.99

00:24:36.000 It's a lot.

00:24:37.000 Is it?

00:24:37.000 It safely goes in the air.

00:24:39.000 Right, right, right.

00:24:39.000 But how much different is it to build it?

00:24:42.000 Very fast.

00:24:43.000 Right.

00:24:43.000 It's definitely different.

00:24:44.000 But how much different?

00:24:45.000 Because if a car was that big...

00:24:48.000 If a car was that big, it was the dopest car ever.

00:24:50.000 If a Bentley made a bus, let's just say it was a million dollars.

00:24:55.000 I think the new Bugatti is like $12 million.

00:24:59.000 Yeah, but that's a different kind of animal.

00:25:02.000 First of all, that shouldn't be $12 million. 1.00

00:25:05.000 They're fucking people right in their assholes. 1.00

00:25:08.000 But also, they broke world records. 1.00

00:25:11.000 Like, the new Bugatti hit 304 miles an hour, which is insane.

00:25:16.000 That is insane how fast that is.

00:25:19.000 I personally don't like them.

00:25:21.000 I don't like the way they look. 0.96

00:25:23.000 I think they look kind of gross.

00:25:25.000 If you bought...

00:25:26.000 Here's a difference.

00:25:27.000 I was just thinking.

00:25:27.000 If you bought that Bugatti, you get to drive it.

00:25:30.000 You buy this plane, you don't get to fly it.

00:25:33.000 That's true.

00:25:33.000 Unless you take the lessons.

00:25:35.000 Why would you want to?

00:25:36.000 I think if you're going to spend $70 million on a plane, I don't think you should be one of the ones flying it.

00:25:41.000 I think you should have some staff.

00:25:43.000 Asking price, $67,950,000.

00:25:47.000 That's the stage where they just round it up to 70. What does it say?

00:25:50.000 Total hours?

00:25:51.000 1,616?

00:25:53.000 Yeah, you don't want a used up plane.

00:25:54.000 Total landings?

00:25:55.000 Oh, so this is a used one.

00:25:56.000 They're all used, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:25:57.000 What?

00:25:58.000 They don't make lots of new ones.

00:25:59.000 What?

00:26:00.000 They get passed around and...

00:26:02.000 Yeah.

00:26:02.000 It was made December 16, 2014. Yeah.

00:26:06.000 That's a five-year-old jet.

00:26:08.000 And it's still 67.9.

00:26:11.000 Just want to make sure the interior's clean.

00:26:12.000 Total landing is 625. Go over that fucking thing with one of those blue lights. 0.99

00:26:17.000 What is it? 1.00

00:26:18.000 A black light?

00:26:19.000 Yeah.

00:26:19.000 Oh, my God.

00:26:20.000 Just splatters of jizz all this year.

00:26:23.000 You got Dan Belzerian's jet. 0.59

00:26:26.000 Oh, man. 0.99

00:26:27.000 There's coke in between the seats and just cum everywhere. 0.99

00:26:32.000 Dan's beard hairs. 0.97

00:26:34.000 Everywhere you go, you're picking up beard hairs.

00:26:36.000 Definitely make sure a pastor gets that one. 1.00

00:26:38.000 Yeah, I mean, what's the building cost of making a jet like that?

00:26:43.000 It's amazing that they retain their value, too.

00:26:46.000 If a yacht is way more, like super yachts, you know?

00:26:49.000 Hundreds of millions of dollars, I think, right?

00:26:51.000 Sure, yeah.

00:26:53.000 Yeah, I know some guys, the Fertittas, that own the UFC. They have some preposterous yacht.

00:26:58.000 I saw Steve Jobs' yacht after he was dead in Italy.

00:27:04.000 It was on the road in Italy, and the guy I was with pointed it out to me.

00:27:09.000 And it looks like an Apple store.

00:27:11.000 Looks like a floating Apple store.

00:27:13.000 Want to see it?

00:27:14.000 Is that it?

00:27:16.000 Yeah, that's it.

00:27:18.000 Look at that. 0.99

00:27:19.000 It's a goddamn floating Apple store. 1.00

00:27:20.000 Doesn't it look like a floating Apple store? 0.99

00:27:22.000 Yeah, it looks weird.

00:27:22.000 And the back is weird.

00:27:24.000 Everything is run with iMacs.

00:27:26.000 Yeah, that's how it looks.

00:27:27.000 And if you look in the back windows, it really seems like an Apple store.

00:27:33.000 And everything is run with iMacs.

00:27:36.000 Those iMac screens are all over the place.

00:27:40.000 Interesting.

00:27:41.000 Yeah, Google needs to step it up. 0.96

00:27:43.000 Develop an Android boat.

00:27:45.000 Android boat.

00:27:47.000 It's a cool-looking boat, but yeah. 0.99

00:27:49.000 How much did that fucking thing cost? 0.99

00:27:51.000 That had to cost $500 million or something ridiculous. 1.00

00:27:54.000 Yeah.

00:27:55.000 You gotta step up your game, Zoobie. 0.57

00:27:58.000 Yeah, man.

00:27:59.000 100 million pounds costs more than 100 million.

00:28:03.000 Oh, euros?

00:28:04.000 Is that euros?

00:28:04.000 Yeah.

00:28:05.000 What is euros to pounds?

00:28:06.000 It's almost double?

00:28:07.000 It's almost the same.

00:28:08.000 Oh, really?

00:28:09.000 Almost parity, no.

00:28:09.000 Is pounds almost double?

00:28:12.000 Well, it all changes, right?

00:28:13.000 Yeah, euro and pounds are almost one-to-one now.

00:28:15.000 Oh, okay.

00:28:16.000 Yeah, it's like 1.03 or something.

00:28:18.000 It used to be awesome to go to Canada.

00:28:20.000 Because if you go to Canada, your money would go way further.

00:28:23.000 Because the United States dollar was stronger.

00:28:25.000 Last time I came to the States, it was 2 to 1. $100 was 50 pounds last time I came.

00:28:31.000 Really?

00:28:31.000 And now it's like 50 pounds is like $60 now.

00:28:35.000 Well, I guess. 0.99

00:28:36.000 Fucked up. 0.99

00:28:37.000 Yeah, that Brexit. 0.99

00:28:38.000 Got too successful over there.

00:28:40.000 Pounds taken a beating over the last couple of years.

00:28:42.000 Is it weird, the whole Brexit thing over there?

00:28:46.000 For people who are really into it, I don't follow it that hard.

00:28:49.000 I'm kind of just bored of it.

00:28:51.000 I'm just kind of, just do something.

00:28:53.000 Just make your decision.

00:28:54.000 Well, the decision should have already been made three years ago, but just execute it like, let's go.

00:28:59.000 Let's get out of here.

00:29:00.000 What's the general consensus of your friends and people that you hang out with over there?

00:29:05.000 The people I hang out with.

00:29:06.000 Those who live in London are primarily on the Remain side.

00:29:10.000 Those who live outside of London, primarily on the leave side.

00:29:15.000 Oh, so it's an urban thing like the United States.

00:29:18.000 Yeah, very much so.

00:29:19.000 So, like, the cities are anti-Trump, and the farm areas are like, oh, we don't...

00:29:39.000 And being more pro-EU and pro-Remain, whereas if you go outside of that, if you go up north or to the Midlands or anything like that, then people are, I guess, both more conservative, I guess, in a way, and also a lot more anti-EU in general sentiment.

00:29:56.000 So, a lot of the people in London and around London were totally blindsided by the Brexit vote in the same way that a lot of people, I imagine, live in Los Angeles and New York were blindsided by the Trump presidency.

00:30:08.000 Yeah.

00:30:09.000 Have you ever seen the girl with the sock hat on, the glasses on her knees?

00:30:12.000 Oh yes, of course.

00:30:13.000 Have you ever seen her?

00:30:14.000 Yeah, I watched that one when I'm feeling a little down.

00:30:17.000 I watched the Trump reaction video.

00:30:19.000 That seems to sort of embody...

00:30:22.000 The beginning of the chaos that has ensued.

00:30:27.000 Because things were kind of squirrely before Trump was elected, but now they're just off the reservation.

00:30:32.000 Yeah.

00:30:32.000 Well, that's part of how he got elected.

00:30:34.000 I mean, I remember in 2015, before he even won the Republican nomination, and I was talking to people, both friends and family, and saying, I think he has a good chance of winning.

00:30:43.000 And people were looking at me like I was smoking something.

00:30:47.000 I'm annoyed I didn't put any money on it because at the time...

00:30:50.000 Was there gambling?

00:30:50.000 Online gambling?

00:30:51.000 Yeah, I think the first time, at the time I first said it, I think it was, I want to say like 40 to 1 or 50 to 1 or something ridiculous like that.

00:30:59.000 I called it on my Netflix special. 0.99

00:31:01.000 People were saying, get the fuck out of here. 1.00

00:31:03.000 You're crazy. 1.00

00:31:03.000 I'm like, we are that close to President Trump. 1.00

00:31:06.000 And they're like, yeah!

00:31:07.000 Well, you travel the country, right?

00:31:09.000 So I think your perspective is going to be a lot more...

00:31:18.000 I think that if they had gone with Bernie Sanders, Bernie Sanders could have really won.

00:31:26.000 I really think he could have won.

00:31:27.000 He could have beaten Trump.

00:31:29.000 I don't think Hillary is ever going to win.

00:31:31.000 She's got too many skeletons. 1.00

00:31:32.000 There's too many things you can point to.

00:31:34.000 There's too much madness.

00:31:37.000 Too much smoke.

00:31:38.000 Way too much.

00:31:39.000 Way! 0.96

00:31:40.000 Just way too much.

00:31:42.000 Yeah, it's been going on most of my life, too.

00:31:43.000 That's the thing.

00:31:44.000 It's like, this isn't a new person.

00:31:47.000 She's been involved in this thing for decades. 0.92

00:31:49.000 Yeah, and then when the actual DNC was rigging the primaries against Bernie and Donna Brazile wrote about it in her book.

00:31:58.000 You go, it's a dirty organization. 0.67

00:32:01.000 It's dirty.

00:32:02.000 That's the thing people always forget with Trump is people are always, oh, how did he win?

00:32:06.000 Or why did he win?

00:32:07.000 And it's like, you always have to consider, like, there's all the factors in his favor, but there's also, I mean, who he was running for.

00:32:14.000 That's a big part of it.

00:32:16.000 Yeah, that's a big part of it.

00:32:17.000 So people are acting as if the alternative was so much better or something. 1.00

00:32:22.000 They fucked up. 1.00

00:32:23.000 They fucked up. 1.00

00:32:25.000 Bernie could have won. 1.00

00:32:25.000 I really think he could have won. 1.00

00:32:27.000 It would have certainly been more interesting because I know a lot of the Bernie people went over to Trump, right?

00:32:32.000 Yeah, and you know, as time goes on, one of the things that I've been noticing, and I watched a David Pakman video the other day, where David Pakman was pointing out Trump slurring a speech, and I had no idea it was that bad.

00:32:45.000 Oh really?

00:32:45.000 I haven't seen it.

00:32:46.000 I hadn't seen it.

00:32:47.000 There was one time where he literally, I mean, literally like he's fighting through, like say if someone puts you on paid medication, they said, hey Zuby, you gotta make a phone call.

00:32:56.000 Yeah.

00:32:56.000 This is really important, you're gonna talk to a bank.

00:32:58.000 He'd be like, yes, that is me.

00:33:01.000 God bless America.

00:33:03.000 Have you ever seen the video of him swearing?

00:33:06.000 No, no.

00:33:06.000 Dude.

00:33:07.000 And it's not edited or anything?

00:33:08.000 No, no, no, no, no.

00:33:09.000 He has a really hard time saying God bless America.

00:33:13.000 And Pacman pointed out, it looks like he's wrestling with his tongue.

00:33:17.000 There's something wrong.

00:33:18.000 Oh, fair enough.

00:33:19.000 I mean, when I see him, I mean, that guy's got some crazy energy.

00:33:22.000 How old is he?

00:33:22.000 70?

00:33:23.000 73. 73. That guy's got energy, man.

00:33:26.000 Yeah, it's called pills.

00:33:28.000 It's medicated. 1.00

00:33:31.000 You know, you could fucking hop your grandma up on fucking speed, too. 1.00

00:33:35.000 She'd have all kinds of shit to say. 1.00

00:33:39.000 Look, it's legal. 1.00

00:33:40.000 You get a doctor.

00:33:41.000 Doc, I'm suffering.

00:33:43.000 I've got fatigue.

00:33:45.000 I have chronic fatigue.

00:33:47.000 And the doctor will go, well, good thing for you.

00:33:49.000 We've got a thing called Adderall.

00:33:52.000 Do you think that's what it is?

00:33:53.000 It's something, man.

00:33:55.000 It's something.

00:33:55.000 I mean, we've talked about it on the podcast too much.

00:33:57.000 I don't want to repeat myself.

00:33:58.000 But I really do believe that he's on something.

00:34:00.000 Some kind of stimulant.

00:34:01.000 Yeah, he's been on something in the past.

00:34:03.000 There's allegedly a pharmacy in New York that was prescribing him diet pills for years.

00:34:09.000 And some journalist uncovered the whole thing.

00:34:11.000 I'm not surprised.

00:34:13.000 Look, I know a lot of people on it, man.

00:34:15.000 Some of them that are functional. 0.99

00:34:16.000 Some of them that are off the fucking charts. 1.00

00:34:19.000 Crazy because of it. 0.99

00:34:21.000 Is this the video?

00:34:22.000 Yeah, this is the video.

00:34:23.000 But just play the one where you see him slurring his words.

00:34:26.000 Yeah, back up a little bit.

00:34:28.000 Right there.

00:34:29.000 Play that.

00:34:31.000 Listen to this.

00:34:32.000 Our hearts and minds to possible and possibilities.

00:34:38.000 And finally, I ask the leaders of the region, political and religious, Israeli and Palestinian, Jewish and Christian and Muslim, to join us in the noble quest for lasting peace.

00:34:53.000 Thank you.

00:34:54.000 God bless you.

00:34:55.000 God bless Israel.

00:34:57.000 God bless the Palestinians.

00:34:59.000 And God bless the United States.

00:35:02.000 Thank you very much.

00:35:03.000 Those last couple words, yeah.

00:35:05.000 Bro.

00:35:05.000 That is, listen to you.

00:35:08.000 Now listen to him.

00:35:10.000 Listen to you.

00:35:11.000 Now listen to him.

00:35:13.000 That's a guy who's hopped up on something.

00:35:15.000 He's either hopped up on something or he's dying.

00:35:17.000 He could have been drinking.

00:35:18.000 Nah, he doesn't drink.

00:35:19.000 Oh, he doesn't drink, does he?

00:35:20.000 No.

00:35:20.000 That's cool.

00:35:20.000 Drinking gets in the way of pills, bro.

00:35:22.000 You don't want to slow down the pills.

00:35:23.000 You're here for progress!

00:35:25.000 We're here to complete tasks and set goals and conquer!

00:35:29.000 And make America great again.

00:35:31.000 Mega. 1.00

00:35:31.000 The way he was campaigning with the amount of energy that that dude had, I mean, you gotta assume for a seven-year-old man, they got him medicated on some shit. 1.00

00:35:40.000 Yeah, it's entirely possible. 0.96

00:35:41.000 They've always medicated people. 0.99

00:35:43.000 We were talking about, who the fuck was it that told us about Hitler? 0.99

00:35:47.000 Hitler with the... 0.99

00:35:49.000 I don't remember who brought it up first, but it's been like three weeks ago now.

00:35:55.000 Yeah.

00:35:55.000 I don't know.

00:35:56.000 Hitler, when he went to meet Mussolini, he was apparently super exhausted, so they pumped him up with steroids and liquid cocaine. 0.57

00:36:03.000 Liquid cocaine?

00:36:04.000 They injected him with steroids and cocaine, and then he liked it so much he asked for a second dose, and they thought it was gonna kill him, and he said, give it to me!

00:36:12.000 And then he went to visit Mussolini, apparently chewed Mussolini's ear off for five hours.

00:36:18.000 Mussolini was apparently thinking about getting out of the war, and Hitler talked him out of it. 0.98

00:36:22.000 Just fuckin' spittin' coke talk at him. 0.98

00:36:24.000 Steroids and liquid cocaine? 1.00

00:36:27.000 That's the worst thing you can give to that guy. 1.00

00:36:29.000 That's a fucking Ric Flair right there. 0.99

00:36:30.000 Good grief, man. 1.00

00:36:31.000 Yeah.

00:36:31.000 I mean, I think they've done that to people forever.

00:36:34.000 Apparently, that was the case with Kennedy.

00:36:36.000 Kennedy, they would shoot him up with amphetamines.

00:36:38.000 Really? 0.98

00:36:39.000 Yeah.

00:36:39.000 See if they can find that.

00:36:40.000 What, just to keep his energy levels up?

00:36:42.000 Kennedy was very sick, apparently, before he died.

00:36:46.000 And he had severe back pains.

00:36:49.000 He was really banged up.

00:36:51.000 And he had some sort of a disease.

00:36:53.000 I don't remember what the disease was, but...

00:36:55.000 During much of his presidency, they would put him on amphetamines to keep him active.

00:37:01.000 They didn't think about the consequences of those things back then.

00:37:04.000 I don't think they truly understood addiction back then.

00:37:07.000 I don't think they truly understood the way it affects your decision-making process.

00:37:13.000 Well, that's back when they used to just advertise heroin in the newspaper and stuff as a sort of general pain.

00:37:17.000 Nah, they didn't do that in the 60s.

00:37:19.000 When was that?

00:37:20.000 What decade was that?

00:37:22.000 A long time ago.

00:37:22.000 You'd look in the papers and they'd just have such and such heroin.

00:37:26.000 Take this.

00:37:27.000 And when they used to give women tapeworm eggs as diet pills.

00:37:30.000 Did they really?

00:37:32.000 Yeah.

00:37:32.000 Those were the original diet pills, right?

00:37:34.000 They used to give women tapeworm eggs so that you ingest it and then obviously the tapeworm grows inside of you and eats all the food and you lose weight. 0.96

00:37:41.000 We have so much to talk about.

00:37:42.000 Let's find out about Kenny first.

00:37:44.000 So...

00:37:45.000 We've heard of Dr. Feelgood.

00:37:47.000 That's who his doctor was.

00:37:48.000 Dr. Max Jacobson was injecting him and his wife and a list of other people.

00:37:53.000 I thought it was a Motley Crue song.

00:37:55.000 Okay, Dr. Jacobson.

00:37:56.000 Oh my god.

00:37:58.000 Here we go.

00:37:58.000 What does it say here?

00:38:00.000 The most...

00:38:02.000 Scroll up a little bit.

00:38:03.000 The most famous doctor patients were President and Mrs. Kennedy.

00:38:06.000 Dr. Jacobson frequently visited the White House and often traveled with the Kennedys.

00:38:10.000 In 1961, for example, he went with the President to Vienna for a summit meeting with Khrushchev, and Dr. Jacobson said in an interview gave the President injections there.

00:38:21.000 In addition to the Kennedys, other persons who are patients of the doctor included Truman Capote, Cecil B. DeMille, Eddie Fisher, Alan J. Lerner, I don't know who that is, Representative Claude Pepper of Florida, blah, blah, blah, a bunch of other politicians, and Tennessee Williams.

00:38:36.000 Wow.

00:38:38.000 Included among a number of other prominent patients of Dr. Jacobson have been a bunch of other famous people, blah, [...

00:38:47.000 An extensive inquiry also turned up the names of well over 100 others in ranking positions in government, journalism, finance, industry, society, and several entertainment fields who are said to be patients of Dr. Jacobson, but who could not be confirmed as such.

00:39:01.000 What does it say about it?

00:39:02.000 Okay.

00:39:02.000 It cannot be said with certainty that the Kennedy's, or with a few exceptions, any other specific patient received amphetamine.

00:39:11.000 It is known, however, that Dr. Jacobson uses unusually large amounts of amphetamine in his practice.

00:39:19.000 The doctor's office reported that Dr. Jacobson buys amphetamine at the rate of 80 grams a month.

00:39:25.000 That is enough to make 100 fairly strong doses of 25 milligrams every day.

00:39:32.000 So he's got a hundred people taking hardcore doses of amphetamines every day.

00:39:40.000 25 milligrams, apparently, they're saying it's a big dose.

00:39:44.000 I don't know.

00:39:44.000 That's a lot.

00:39:44.000 Is that a lot?

00:39:45.000 If you just take an Adderall, it's just like 10 to 20 max.

00:39:48.000 Sometimes people that are crazy get 40. 25, you're fucking grinding an enamel. 1.00

00:39:54.000 That's injected, too. 1.00

00:39:55.000 Woo! 0.99

00:39:56.000 Right to the source! 1.00

00:39:58.000 Fuck stomach acids. 1.00

00:39:59.000 Get it in the blood, baby. 1.00

00:40:01.000 Wow.

00:40:02.000 Yeah.

00:40:02.000 I think it's been going on forever.

00:40:03.000 Yeah, it seems like it.

00:40:04.000 Well, I mean, it's about energy, right? 1.00

00:40:07.000 Like, look at poor fucking Joe Biden, that poor bastard. 1.00

00:40:10.000 You've been paying attention to him? 1.00

00:40:11.000 A little bit, yeah.

00:40:12.000 He's bleeding from the eyes.

00:40:13.000 Yeah.

00:40:14.000 Oh, I saw that.

00:40:15.000 On TV. His eyes just start bleeding.

00:40:17.000 Yeah.

00:40:18.000 How old is he?

00:40:19.000 A million.

00:40:20.000 He's a million years old. 1.00

00:40:21.000 He's only like 78 or some shit. 0.99

00:40:23.000 He's not that much older than you. 0.99

00:40:25.000 78 is too old to be.

00:40:26.000 It is too old.

00:40:27.000 It's too old.

00:40:27.000 If you're that guy.

00:40:28.000 I mean, you could be 70. Like Jack LaLanne when he was 78 looked fucking fantastic. 0.93

00:40:33.000 When he was 90, he was pulling boats. 0.94

00:40:35.000 Yeah.

00:40:35.000 Do you ever see that?

00:40:36.000 I don't think I've seen him pulling boats.

00:40:38.000 Look at his eyeball.

00:40:39.000 Yeah, that's too old, man.

00:40:40.000 Ban for evasive answers.

00:40:42.000 Evasive answers.

00:40:43.000 The guy can't see. 1.00

00:40:44.000 Fucking bleeding out of his eyeballs. 1.00

00:40:46.000 That's like some Hellraiser type shit. 1.00

00:40:48.000 Because if you do get into office, I mean, you age at like four times the normal rate or something anyway, don't you? 1.00

00:40:52.000 Well, he thinks he's been in office, but that's horseshit. 0.94

00:40:54.000 He was a vice president. 0.92

00:40:55.000 The vice president is probably the easiest job in the history of the world.

00:40:59.000 The vice president is like slightly easier than hosting Fear Factor.

00:41:05.000 That's what I think.

00:41:06.000 You just kind of show up.

00:41:07.000 Everybody else does the hard work. 1.00

00:41:10.000 That fucking guy. 1.00

00:41:11.000 That's barely a job. 1.00

00:41:13.000 That's like the best way to go into hiding.

00:41:15.000 Become vice president. 1.00

00:41:15.000 Nobody gives a shit about you. 1.00

00:41:17.000 Okay. 0.99

00:41:17.000 Unless something happens to the president, you've got to step up. 0.99

00:41:19.000 Yeah, but nothing ever happens.

00:41:21.000 Yeah, it's true.

00:41:21.000 The only time it's ever happened, the last time, was when Kennedy got shot.

00:41:25.000 It was the last time.

00:41:26.000 And most likely, Lyndon Johnson was in on it.

00:41:29.000 Oh.

00:41:30.000 Hey, how about that?

00:41:31.000 I said it!

00:41:32.000 Uh-oh.

00:41:34.000 I cannot confirm nor deny.

00:41:35.000 I have no opinion on this.

00:41:36.000 Who knows?

00:41:36.000 Who knows who's in on it?

00:41:37.000 But that guy ain't gonna win.

00:41:40.000 The idea that they haven't pulled that guy aside and go, hey, Joe.

00:41:44.000 No.

00:41:45.000 He's the frontrunner though, right?

00:41:47.000 I don't think anymore.

00:41:48.000 I think Bernie and Kamala Harris are very close.

00:41:51.000 So Trump should win, really.

00:41:52.000 But because Tulsi Gabbard shut down Kamala Harris in a debate, they pushed her out of the debates. 1.00

00:41:58.000 Even though on multiple polls she has enough support to be in the debates, they're excluding her from the debates because she attacked Kamala Harris, and rightly so, and accurately. 0.78

00:42:09.000 I think she's on the wrong side.

00:42:11.000 I think she's in the wrong party.

00:42:13.000 You think she should be a Republican? 0.80

00:42:14.000 I do, yeah.

00:42:14.000 Wow.

00:42:15.000 Yeah.

00:42:15.000 Why?

00:42:16.000 She has all these Democratic ideas, though. 0.99

00:42:19.000 Yeah, that's true.

00:42:20.000 But given the way the Democratic Party is going now, I think she's far too sensible for them.

00:42:24.000 I don't think so.

00:42:26.000 I don't know.

00:42:26.000 I think they'll come around.

00:42:27.000 Maybe so.

00:42:28.000 If she doesn't win this term, she will be president someday, I think. 0.83

00:42:31.000 Okay.

00:42:31.000 I really do.

00:42:32.000 Yeah, I watched and listened to your podcast with her, so that was interesting.

00:42:37.000 I've seen a few.

00:42:37.000 I saw that one.

00:42:38.000 I saw the Andrew Yang one as well.

00:42:40.000 I think it would be awesome if we had a legitimate badass woman president. 1.00

00:42:45.000 I think she's the one.

00:42:46.000 I think she can do it.

00:43:00.000 If things don't change.

00:43:02.000 If they let Joe Biden get to the front, Trump's going to win.

00:43:05.000 Yeah, Trump will eat him.

00:43:06.000 Yeah, he'll chew him up.

00:43:08.000 Calls him Sleepy Joe. 1.00

00:43:10.000 Trump will be grinding his teeth and fucking spitting out fillings. 1.00

00:43:16.000 I mean, fucking A, man. 1.00

00:43:19.000 And Trump is a funny guy. 1.00

00:43:20.000 He says funny shit. 1.00

00:43:22.000 He is funny. 1.00

00:43:22.000 He knows how to shut people down. 1.00

00:43:23.000 Did you see the thing that he did, though, with the hurricane map?

00:43:26.000 I didn't know.

00:43:28.000 He was telling people that the hurricane was headed to Alabama.

00:43:31.000 Like, Mr. President, there's no indication that a hurricane is headed to Alabama.

00:43:35.000 So he posts a map with the hurricane path with a sharpie that draws Alabama also in the path of the map.

00:43:44.000 Bro, it's so...

00:43:45.000 The one I loved was the...

00:43:48.000 Look at this.

00:43:49.000 Like, you see the path of the hurricane, and then there's a sharpie drawn around it.

00:43:55.000 Okay.

00:43:56.000 See, this is the original.

00:43:58.000 And then you see the left, that Sharpie drawing?

00:44:01.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:44:01.000 Somebody drew that.

00:44:03.000 What was the exact wording that you used today?

00:44:05.000 I saw on the news they were saying that, like, White House officials wouldn't deny that he didn't do it or something like that.

00:44:13.000 They wouldn't deny that he did or didn't do it.

00:44:15.000 So no one's saying the president definitely did not draw that.

00:44:19.000 He probably was like, give me the map.

00:44:21.000 Oh, yeah, we'll just put it here.

00:44:22.000 Just draw a bit.

00:44:24.000 Where's Alabama?

00:44:25.000 That one?

00:44:25.000 Okay.

00:44:26.000 Add it in.

00:44:27.000 Just add it in.

00:44:28.000 Yeah.

00:44:29.000 That guy's funny, man.

00:44:30.000 The thing with the Trump Tower on Greenland, that was amazing.

00:44:33.000 Yeah, that actually was funny, that tweet.

00:44:37.000 That was very funny.

00:44:38.000 But it's, you know...

00:44:41.000 And then you guys have your own Trump. 1.00

00:44:42.000 That fucking dude, what's his name? 1.00

00:44:44.000 Boris? 1.00

00:44:45.000 Boris Johnson, the new Prime Minister.

00:44:47.000 He looks like Trump.

00:44:48.000 It's crazy. 0.96

00:44:49.000 He's got the crazy hair.

00:44:50.000 Yeah.

00:44:51.000 You know, I mean, and he's the one, he's a pro-Brexit guy, right?

00:44:55.000 Yeah, he was one of the key leaders of the Brexit campaign.

00:44:58.000 What is happening?

00:45:00.000 Well, backlash, man.

00:45:02.000 Backlash.

00:45:02.000 I understand it completely.

00:45:05.000 I understand it completely.

00:45:06.000 I mean...

00:45:07.000 Yeah, there are a lot of different factors, but that's a pretty key one.

00:45:13.000 And just, you know, the condescension from people in certain cities about the rest of the country or all the other cities, I mean...

00:45:23.000 You see that it's the same thing in the U.S. and in the U.K., like I was saying.

00:45:27.000 I mean, when you've got people even just referring to all of middle America as what they call flyover country.

00:45:32.000 I'm like, dude, you can't say that and then expect those people to vote for you.

00:45:36.000 It's not even just that.

00:45:38.000 It's expanded even further.

00:45:39.000 And the best evidence is Dave Chappelle.

00:45:41.000 Yeah.

00:45:42.000 Dave Chappelle's recent Sticks and Stones Netflix documentary, for whatever reason, Rotten Tomatoes thought it would be a good idea to only have it reviewed by five super progressive critics.

00:45:54.000 Only critics.

00:45:55.000 They closed it off to the public.

00:45:57.000 And it got 0% on Rotten Tomatoes.

00:46:00.000 They then opened it to the public and it got 99%.

00:46:04.000 Of course.

00:46:05.000 If that doesn't show a crazy disparity between, first of all, The idea that you're going to suppress it.

00:46:12.000 Like, you're going to say it's 0%, so no one's going to watch it, and we're going to shut Dave Chappelle down.

00:46:16.000 He's canceled. 1.00

00:46:17.000 Fuck him. 1.00

00:46:18.000 But people love him. 1.00

00:46:19.000 You can't cancel someone who doesn't care, man.

00:46:21.000 Well, you can't cancel Dave Chappelle.

00:46:22.000 No, you can't.

00:46:23.000 But on top of that, like...

00:46:27.000 How would they not understand that someone is going to know that you're not opening it up to the public, and that once it does get opened to the public, you're going to get a massive whiplash, a backlash, where people are going to come, and even if they didn't want to vote on it, now they do.

00:46:41.000 And now they're going to give it 100%, or 99%.

00:46:44.000 I knew I had to watch it when I saw how...

00:46:49.000 Many of the media channels that I really dislike and do not respect were coming so hard at it and saying, oh no, you don't need to watch it and all this.

00:46:57.000 I was like, oh, this means I absolutely have to watch it.

00:47:00.000 The Guardian game in the UK gave it one star.

00:47:02.000 And then I saw Vice saying, don't watch it.

00:47:05.000 Vox saying, don't watch it.

00:47:06.000 I was like, okay, this means that I have to watch this.

00:47:08.000 This is going to be good.

00:47:09.000 And I wasn't disappointed.

00:47:11.000 The influence of a small group of – a relatively small group of human beings that are in charge of these media conglomerates is – it's really astounding.

00:47:21.000 And that they – it's not just opinion, right?

00:47:26.000 It's like they're trying to get people to behave and think the way they do.

00:47:32.000 It's not just – Yes, it is activism.

00:47:34.000 And it's also – It's undisguised activism.

00:47:40.000 It's very transparent activism.

00:47:42.000 It's opposed to journalism.

00:47:44.000 I really wish there was a place where we could go We can get 100% unbiased information in news, and we can get an honest perspective of both sides.

00:47:56.000 This side believes this, and this is why they believe that, but this side believes that, and this is why they believe that.

00:48:01.000 It's very hard to do.

00:48:03.000 And if you have a podcast, one of the things that's really interesting is if you even talk to someone, Who has an opposing point of view of yours or who is right-wing or who maybe has some questionable ideas, you are somehow platforming them and supporting their idea and then supporting some alt-right,

00:48:22.000 alt-right ideology.

00:48:26.000 There's no room anymore for people to have conversations with people with differing opinions and just find out why they think.

00:48:34.000 There is.

00:48:34.000 It's right here.

00:48:36.000 You've literally created it, man.

00:48:38.000 Seriously, you and a handful of other people have created this.

00:48:44.000 Well, it'd be nice if I could go somewhere.

00:48:45.000 What's that?

00:48:46.000 If I could go somewhere and do things.

00:48:49.000 I mean, it's nice that I'm doing it, but you've got to trust me. 0.94

00:48:51.000 I don't know what the fuck I'm doing.

00:48:52.000 I'm not the guy to be distributing information. 0.90

00:48:54.000 I'm certainly not the guy to be analyzing things.

00:48:57.000 I'm too busy.

00:48:57.000 I have too many other jobs.

00:48:59.000 I got three kids.

00:49:00.000 I got three jobs.

00:49:01.000 I got a lot of hobbies. 0.95

00:49:02.000 I'm fucking busy. 0.91

00:49:04.000 I'm not the guy to go to that's going to give you an in-depth, comprehensive analysis about the way the world works. 0.97

00:49:09.000 It's not going to happen.

00:49:10.000 I'm not your guy.

00:49:11.000 But what I am is someone who's interested in talking to people.

00:49:15.000 What they should have is someone who has my... 0.92

00:49:20.000 I don't want to say my sensibilities, but my willingness to communicate with almost anybody.

00:49:26.000 And then also someone who does a real exhaustive research, does real exhaustive research on the actual facts behind all these critical issues that are going to affect everybody.

00:49:37.000 I don't see that anywhere.

00:49:39.000 Well, you're certainly not going to find it on television.

00:49:42.000 Just because the format just doesn't allow for that.

00:49:45.000 You've got the time pressure, the advertising, all that.

00:49:48.000 It just simply doesn't allow for it.

00:49:49.000 And then in the way newspapers and journalism is going, I mean, the stuff that's been paying is the clickbaity sort of stuff.

00:49:59.000 The stuff that gets people outraged, stuff that gets people fired up, highly partisan stuff.

00:50:05.000 Being sensible is not the...

00:50:08.000 In the old media, that's not what seems to be profitable.

00:50:12.000 I know, but is that everything?

00:50:14.000 Is profitability anything?

00:50:16.000 I mean, where's real journalism?

00:50:17.000 Because I feel for real journalists because I do think that they are fighting for their lives in terms of this world.

00:50:25.000 I subscribe to a few different things.

00:50:28.000 I subscribe to the Washington Post and the New York Times and a few other periodicals online where I pay money for Yeah.

00:50:48.000 Yeah.

00:50:49.000 Yeah.

00:50:56.000 To the people that are making it.

00:50:57.000 And why would they be commercially viable?

00:50:59.000 Well, they got to be clickbaity. 0.99

00:51:00.000 That's the only way you get people to pay attention to shit these days. 0.99

00:51:04.000 I think that's already starting to stop working. 0.99

00:51:08.000 You think so?

00:51:09.000 The clickbaity stuff, yeah.

00:51:10.000 I don't know if you...

00:51:10.000 I mean, if you remember...

00:51:11.000 Think back a couple years ago where, I don't know, you'd go on Facebook and you'd get all these kind of like buzzfeed things and you had all these new media companies that sprung up and sort of took advantage of the...

00:51:33.000 I don't think most people thought that the media in general was particularly biased.

00:51:43.000 I think if you were to survey people, a lot of people understand that even the ones that are supposed to be impartial, things like CNN, things like the New York Times, especially when it comes to the opinion pieces, people know that those things are not just giving it to you straight.

00:51:59.000 They know you're getting some spin.

00:52:00.000 In some cases, you're getting it from a totally partisan.

00:52:04.000 I think if people are upfront with that, if they're like, look, we're a conservative news outlet, look, we're a liberal left-wing news outlet, and that's the filter everything is coming through, if they're upfront about that, then I'm kind of like, oh, yeah, yeah, that's fine.

00:52:18.000 But if people claim to be unbiased or claim to be totally impartial and just bring you the facts without...

00:52:22.000 I think?

00:52:38.000 The vibe I'm certainly getting, I know with myself and with other people and listening to what people are saying is people are starting to notice it a lot more.

00:52:45.000 I know you've talked a lot about the online tech censorship and bias and stuff like that, which is another thing that, again, I think if you went back 10 years ago, I don't think people thought that Facebook or Twitter or YouTube or any of these things were biased.

00:52:57.000 Whereas now in 2019, it's like, okay, you've got enough examples to see, okay, they're deplatforming A lot of people of certain political persuasions.

00:53:07.000 And then you've got other people who are outright calling for violence or just saying crazy stuff or threatening people and they're fine.

00:53:15.000 They're turning a blind eye to it.

00:53:17.000 And it's just in your face.

00:53:20.000 And it's kind of like, well, this isn't me being a conspiracy theorist.

00:53:23.000 It's just, look, they've taken off that person, that person, that person, that person.

00:53:27.000 But all these people are still there.

00:53:28.000 So these rules are not being applied fairly.

00:53:32.000 That's certainly the case, and it's also certainly the case that they're trying to manage this stuff at scale, right?

00:53:39.000 So they're trying to manage, like, one of the things that I got from communicating with Jack Dorsey, the head of Twitter, is that...

00:53:46.000 You saw him when he got hacked?

00:53:48.000 Yes! 0.99

00:53:49.000 When the head of Twitter gets hacked, you're like, damn! 0.98

00:53:53.000 Apparently they used a very simple way to do it, SMS text, because they used to have a system where you could send texts through, you know, to Twitter through text messages, and they hacked it that way. 0.98

00:54:06.000 Yeah, that was so weird.

00:54:07.000 I was on Twitter when it happened.

00:54:09.000 I was, like, scrolling through my feed.

00:54:10.000 I was like, what?

00:54:11.000 What?

00:54:14.000 Wait, what's going on here?

00:54:15.000 Part of it is fun, right?

00:54:17.000 Isn't it fun when someone like Jack gets hacked?

00:54:21.000 When someone like Jack gets hacked, it's like, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. 0.98

00:54:24.000 The guy who's the fucking head of Twitter, who's been at the helm of this controversy when it comes to censorship, got hacked. 0.94

00:54:32.000 And his pinned tweet is something about how Twitter wants to open up conversations. 0.99

00:54:37.000 It's something very, very positive.

00:54:39.000 And then underneath it, it was just like...

00:54:42.000 I think he really does want to open up conversations and he really does believe that blockchain is eventually going to have virtually every conversation that everyone has ever had ever available for everyone online.

00:54:55.000 And that the idea of censorship is going to be preposterous in the future.

00:54:58.000 And I think he's right.

00:54:59.000 Yeah.

00:55:09.000 Yeah.

00:55:11.000 Yeah.

00:55:16.000 Is that Twitter should be available to anyone to communicate their ideas and that it should operate much like the First Amendment.

00:55:24.000 So, you know, the only thing you can't do is call for violence and dox people and things like that.

00:55:28.000 Are they going to bring people back then?

00:55:30.000 I told him he should.

00:55:31.000 I said they should.

00:55:32.000 And then he said that there was a thing, an idea of a Wild West Twitter.

00:55:37.000 Like you'd have two Twitters.

00:55:38.000 You'd have a curated Twitter and then you'd have a anything goes Twitter.

00:55:42.000 Pew, pew, pew.

00:55:43.000 You bring back Alex Jones and whoever the fuck else has been banned.

00:55:47.000 Quite a few people.

00:55:48.000 Yeah, the big ones.

00:55:49.000 Laura Loomer.

00:55:50.000 Yeah, all them.

00:55:51.000 Megan Murphy. 1.00

00:55:52.000 Yeah, Megan Murphy's a ridiculous one. 1.00

00:55:54.000 She's been on my podcast. 0.98

00:55:55.000 I want to get her on.

00:55:57.000 We've talked about having her on.

00:55:58.000 I hope eventually I can.

00:56:00.000 If people don't know what happened, she got banned from, she is what's called a TERF, which is a trans-exclusionary, radical feminist. 1.00

00:56:10.000 And it Trans, exclusionary. 1.00

00:56:12.000 That's a weird word.

00:56:14.000 Exclusionary.

00:56:14.000 I don't even say it right.

00:56:16.000 I say exclusionary.

00:56:17.000 Exclusionary.

00:56:19.000 Radical feminist is someone who thinks that trans women are not women. 0.99

00:56:23.000 And so she has said, you know, publicly that she doesn't think that trans women should be in feminist spaces communicating as women.

00:56:35.000 And so she got into it on Twitter with someone and she said, but a man is never a woman.

00:56:41.000 Lifetime ban?

00:56:41.000 Yeah.

00:56:42.000 No, they actually told her to take that down. 0.67

00:56:44.000 So she took it down, but she made a screenshot of it.

00:56:47.000 And then she posted up the screenshot that said, a man is never a woman.

00:56:50.000 And they gave her a lifetime ban. 0.62

00:56:52.000 Yeah. 0.86

00:56:53.000 Which is goddamn hilarious. 0.72

00:56:55.000 Yeah. 0.92

00:56:55.000 I mean, that's crazy. 0.92

00:56:56.000 I don't get the lifetime.

00:56:58.000 Oh, we were talking about big people on Milo as well, of course.

00:57:01.000 Milo, yeah.

00:57:01.000 Milo got taken off several years ago.

00:57:03.000 See, they wouldn't tell me exactly why Milo got taken off.

00:57:08.000 They said that Milo had harassed Leslie Jones, but he hadn't.

00:57:11.000 He made fun of her.

00:57:12.000 But apparently there were some allegations that there was many accounts other than Milo's connected to Milo that Milo was operating.

00:57:22.000 This was the allegation.

00:57:24.000 I don't know if that's true.

00:57:25.000 And that this is one of the reasons why they had made the decision.

00:57:28.000 But that might not be the case.

00:57:30.000 That might be the case with someone saying, hey, we suspect that these other accounts are also run by Milo.

00:57:36.000 Because they wouldn't say it on the podcast.

00:57:38.000 The thing is, look, even if someone did get banned for genuinely violating some terms of service, the idea of a lifetime ban...

00:57:46.000 A life!

00:57:48.000 Forever!

00:57:48.000 You're 90?

00:57:49.000 Fuck off! 1.00

00:57:50.000 You're still banned. 1.00

00:57:51.000 That's insane.

00:57:52.000 I mean, you'll have literally convicted hardcore criminals on there who can have Twitter accounts and stuff, but it's like, okay, you said something that someone didn't like.

00:58:01.000 Gavin McInnes is another one.

00:58:02.000 Yeah, Gavin McInnes, yeah.

00:58:04.000 There's quite a few.

00:58:05.000 There are quite a few now.

00:58:06.000 The problem is when you ban these people the way they've done, it radicalizes people in opposition.

00:58:13.000 Absolutely.

00:58:14.000 And it also...

00:58:15.000 Look, here's the reality, man.

00:58:17.000 Twitter's a terrible way to communicate. 1.00

00:58:20.000 It's fucking terrible. 1.00

00:58:21.000 Limited amount of text. 0.99

00:58:22.000 Text is a terrible way to communicate.

00:58:24.000 I mean, we were just talking, Jamie and I were talking yesterday about disagreements that people have had that we know through emails.

00:58:32.000 That emails, like someone reads it wrong, and then someone sends you a message, hey, you know, this guy is disrespecting me, and then you go and read it, and you go, what is going on here, man?

00:58:42.000 Because people read into text.

00:58:45.000 They just decide that things in text mean certain things.

00:58:50.000 They might not really be accurate.

00:58:52.000 I think that's a problem.

00:58:54.000 And I think that the method of communication through Twitter is just a terrible method.

00:58:59.000 Twitter's good for letting people know you got things coming up.

00:59:02.000 Like, hey, I got an album out.

00:59:04.000 Yep.

00:59:06.000 Bang.

00:59:06.000 Perseverance.

00:59:07.000 Perseverance.

00:59:07.000 Zoomie.

00:59:08.000 Twitter's good for, I love it, for posting science stories.

00:59:13.000 Okay, yeah.

00:59:13.000 And interesting stories.

00:59:14.000 Twitter's amazing.

00:59:15.000 Twitter's the best social media platform by a mile.

00:59:17.000 I don't interact with people anymore.

00:59:18.000 I don't even read it.

00:59:20.000 I don't blame you.

00:59:20.000 I send things to the world that I think are interesting and I hope people enjoy it.

00:59:24.000 I don't bash anybody on Twitter.

00:59:28.000 I don't attack anybody on Twitter.

00:59:30.000 I've had opportunities where someone's informed me of something that someone else has said and I'm like, that's not even true.

00:59:36.000 People say wild stuff about you, man.

00:59:37.000 That's interesting.

00:59:38.000 People say some wild stuff about it.

00:59:40.000 Just generally.

00:59:41.000 But, you know, I think when it comes to communication, the further you move away from face-to-face, real-world communication, the further you abstract away from it, the worse the communication method is and the easier it is to...

00:59:54.000 I mean, because you lose so much.

00:59:55.000 Yes.

00:59:56.000 And the easier it is to intentionally distort.

00:59:59.000 It is.

01:00:00.000 And, you know, you lose...

01:00:01.000 So, a phone call...

01:00:03.000 I mean...

01:00:04.000 Real life is the best.

01:00:05.000 And then second to that, probably a video chat.

01:00:07.000 After that, a phone call.

01:00:09.000 After that, a text.

01:00:11.000 After that, a tweet.

01:00:12.000 And the further you abstract away from it, you just lose more and more of the actual communication because you can't read any body language now.

01:00:20.000 There's no intonation in the words.

01:00:22.000 You can't tell.

01:00:23.000 I could say something now and it's like, you know, you say something with a smile on your face.

01:00:26.000 Oh, Joe is joking.

01:00:27.000 But if you tweet those exact same words, One person will read it and be like, okay, I think he's joking.

01:00:33.000 I think he tweeted that with a smile on his face.

01:00:35.000 Someone else is like, no, that's dead serious.

01:00:37.000 That's something crazy he's saying there, and nobody really knows.

01:00:41.000 And then because it's all public, I mean, Twitter's weird because there's not...

01:00:45.000 It's like just going into a room full of people and just shouting something.

01:00:50.000 It's not like a forum where it's like, okay, this is the topic.

01:00:52.000 We're talking about this right now.

01:00:54.000 Twitter's just like, this is what I think about anything.

01:00:57.000 And you just throw it out there and then you wait for people to...

01:01:01.000 You know, what's interesting is when someone tries to establish a narrative about themselves on Twitter, like, hey, listen, as a happily married man who's a Christian, this and that, like, wait, whoa, whoa, whoa, who are you talking to?

01:01:18.000 Are you shouting this out?

01:01:20.000 Are you trying to describe yourself for people so people have a certain way of viewing you? 1.00

01:01:26.000 Because that shit ain't going to work. 0.99

01:01:27.000 They're immediately going to go, why are you talking like this? 1.00

01:01:30.000 What kind of person says these things?

01:01:32.000 What kind of person tries to establish a narrative about them?

01:01:36.000 Well, they do it before they even talk.

01:01:38.000 I mean, people do that with their Twitter bio.

01:01:40.000 Oh, yeah.

01:01:41.000 People do it with their bio.

01:01:42.000 I mean, some people will put in, you know, this is my species, my location, my pronouns, my religious or non-religious views, you know, who I vote for, like all of that.

01:01:53.000 Yeah.

01:01:53.000 Here's my advice, folks.

01:01:54.000 If you see anybody that says they, them as their pronouns, block them. 0.86

01:01:58.000 Just block them right now.

01:02:00.000 No!

01:02:01.000 I've got something I'm trying to coin as Zuby's Razor, which is that if someone on Twitter has their pronouns in their bio, then there's like a 95% chance that you can just...

01:02:10.000 Dismiss them.

01:02:10.000 Yeah, dismiss a lot of what they're saying.

01:02:12.000 Zuby's Razor is a very good way of describing it. 0.67

01:02:14.000 I'm going to use that for now.

01:02:15.000 I'm going to call it Zuby's Razor. 0.56

01:02:17.000 You know what's interesting?

01:02:18.000 I noticed that you have an Android phone. 1.00

01:02:19.000 What Apple did to fuck people... 0.98

01:02:21.000 is uh when someone is about to write a text to get those dots dot [... 1.00

01:02:40.000 Maybe you do.

01:02:41.000 Maybe you don't.

01:02:42.000 But you don't know if anybody's in the middle. 0.99

01:02:44.000 They could write some long, lengthy bullshit text and then wake up sober and go, oh my god, thank god I didn't send that. 0.97

01:02:50.000 It's like emails. 0.98

01:02:51.000 You don't know whether or not someone's replying to an email.

01:02:56.000 But that dot, dot, dot, dot, dot, dot.

01:02:58.000 You get that on Instagram, too.

01:02:59.000 If you send a DM to someone, it says typing.

01:03:01.000 Yeah.

01:03:01.000 Ooh, that's a weird one.

01:03:03.000 Gives people anxiety, too.

01:03:04.000 It does!

01:03:05.000 You can annoy people.

01:03:06.000 You can just start typing and then...

01:03:07.000 Walk away.

01:03:09.000 Just start typing and go to the movies.

01:03:13.000 Just keep the app open and use other apps.

01:03:16.000 It's crazy.

01:03:17.000 All the social media stuff.

01:03:18.000 I feel like we're just right now in the middle of sort of the biggest experiment amongst humankind that's ever taken place.

01:03:26.000 And we're all guinea pigs in it.

01:03:28.000 We have no idea what the long-term...

01:03:33.000 Yeah.

01:03:48.000 With the smartphones.

01:03:49.000 It's a combination of smartphones and social media.

01:03:51.000 I think that does it.

01:03:52.000 It's not smartphones alone.

01:03:54.000 It's not social media alone.

01:03:55.000 Like when you had to go log in on a PC to use MySpace or Friendster or High5 or whatever, and then you go out the house and you're no longer on it.

01:04:04.000 It's just the fact people are constantly carrying it around and trying to get this validation.

01:04:09.000 You've got Instagram now talking about potentially removing likes or changing YouTube, removing views because they're seeing how it's affecting people and all this kind of stuff.

01:04:17.000 Yeah, it's nuts.

01:04:18.000 That's not going to work, though.

01:04:21.000 Unless it's too late.

01:04:22.000 The box is open. 0.65

01:04:25.000 You're a grown-ass man. 1.00

01:04:27.000 So for you, you can handle all this shit. 1.00

01:04:29.000 I think the real problem is kids. 1.00

01:04:31.000 Kids growing up, being 13 and 14, having Twitter and Instagram and Facebook and having... 0.71

01:04:38.000 Anonymous people say really shitty things to them.

01:04:41.000 Anonymous friends or enemies at school.

01:04:43.000 That's a real issue.

01:04:44.000 And Jonathan Haidt wrote a great book called The Coddling of the American Mind.

01:04:48.000 Great book.

01:04:48.000 It's really good.

01:04:49.000 Great book, yeah. 0.87

01:04:50.000 And it goes into that in depth and it really made me fucking super nervous for my kids.

01:04:54.000 Growing up and developing during this time... 0.93

01:04:58.000 Where we have this, you know, sort of uncharted territory of social media. 0.92

01:05:02.000 There's not like a lot of documented history of use so we can go back to 100 years of people using social media and this is the way to do it healthily and this is the way to, you know, there's people that are just fucking tweeting all day long.

01:05:15.000 Yeah, it's just an experiment. 0.90

01:05:17.000 All day long and going crazy, pulling their fucking hair out, taking pills, barely getting by in this life and just tweeting all day long. 0.99

01:05:24.000 Yeah, it's weird. 0.99

01:05:25.000 And you've got people who have different, and then you've got people who just post 10 selfies a day, same picture, same face, and just...

01:05:34.000 Do they really?

01:05:35.000 Yeah, there's some, it's generally women, but there's some people's profiles you can go, and it's just, you go on their Instagram page, and it's just all, just their face, same face, same pose, and multiple times a day. 0.87

01:05:46.000 Just their butt, over and over and over again.

01:05:48.000 Did you see that video clip where the girl had the selfie stick? 0.99

01:05:51.000 And she's trying to get a photo of her own butt with a selfie stick. 1.00

01:05:54.000 She's like on a deck chair. 0.99

01:05:56.000 I've seen that.

01:05:57.000 Yeah, that's hilarious.

01:05:58.000 Someone took a picture of her doing it. 1.00

01:06:00.000 So her ass is straight up in the air. 1.00

01:06:02.000 And she's got the selfie stick up like that. 1.00

01:06:04.000 Oh my God. 0.99

01:06:05.000 She's trying to get that perfect ass angle. 1.00

01:06:07.000 I was like, wow, that's so 2019. Thirsty, thirsty. 1.00

01:06:12.000 People are so thirsty.

01:06:13.000 They want likes so badly.

01:06:15.000 Yeah, it is very weird.

01:06:16.000 And then you've had people who have died because of it.

01:06:19.000 Oh yeah, sure.

01:06:20.000 Grand Canyon.

01:06:21.000 People keep falling off the Grand Canyon.

01:06:23.000 Oh really?

01:06:23.000 Yeah, falling to their death.

01:06:24.000 Yeah, people falling off buildings.

01:06:25.000 There was that couple where the...

01:06:27.000 There she is.

01:06:28.000 Bam! 0.98

01:06:29.000 She doesn't even have a selfie stick.

01:06:32.000 Still loving our generation.

01:06:34.000 Who posted that?

01:06:35.000 Oh no, she has got a selfie stick.

01:06:37.000 Barstool?

01:06:37.000 She has got a selfie stick.

01:06:38.000 Oh, she does have a selfie stick.

01:06:40.000 Oh, she put it on the selfie stick. 1.00

01:06:41.000 Look at that dirty bitch. 1.00

01:06:43.000 See, right there she's got her arm up and she's like, not good enough. 1.00

01:06:47.000 Let's get that selfie stick out.

01:06:49.000 Oh my gosh.

01:06:50.000 Oh my god, that is so hilarious.

01:06:51.000 It's strange.

01:06:52.000 But imagine if that's your daughter.

01:06:53.000 You're like, no!

01:06:55.000 It is really strange.

01:06:56.000 What have I done?

01:06:58.000 Because I think it's both exposed people for what they are, but it's also changed people's behavior.

01:07:04.000 Yes.

01:07:05.000 People do things now that you just wouldn't...

01:07:07.000 Even something as simple as taking a picture of your food.

01:07:10.000 Well, here's something that never existed before.

01:07:12.000 I'll show you something.

01:07:13.000 This is a move that women do. 1.00

01:07:15.000 Where did I put my phone?

01:07:17.000 Oh my God, I lost my phone.

01:07:18.000 Oh no!

01:07:19.000 It's probably in my...

01:07:24.000 My purse.

01:07:25.000 My man purse.

01:07:25.000 Man purse.

01:07:26.000 This is something that you see now that you never saw before.

01:07:29.000 Ready?

01:07:29.000 Here's the look.

01:07:31.000 Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:07:34.000 That chicken neck thing the girls do when they're trying to get the right angle. 1.00

01:07:39.000 Gotta get the right side.

01:07:40.000 Nobody used to do that before.

01:07:41.000 No.

01:07:42.000 Right?

01:07:42.000 That's a new thing.

01:07:43.000 That's a new movement of your head.

01:07:45.000 Yeah.

01:07:45.000 Taking photos of yourself is a pretty new concept.

01:07:48.000 I remember in MySpace, people used to do it in the mirror, in the bathroom and stuff like that.

01:07:52.000 Right, right.

01:07:53.000 And that's when they first got thirsty. 0.99

01:07:54.000 They first started seeing six-packs and nice asses. 1.00

01:07:58.000 Yeah, it's just weird. 0.72

01:07:59.000 I just wonder what the effect will be in a couple decades, to be honest with you. 1.00

01:08:01.000 Coincidentally, MySpace is also right around the time that white people started figuring out they like big asses. 1.00

01:08:10.000 Something's happened with that, hasn't there? 0.99

01:08:12.000 I was talking about this with one of my friends.

01:08:32.000 And nowadays, that won't fly.

01:08:34.000 You can't get by.

01:08:36.000 You can't get by without a big caboose.

01:08:38.000 It's weird.

01:08:39.000 It's part evolution, part diet, part, I don't know.

01:08:43.000 Doctors.

01:08:44.000 Doctors.

01:08:45.000 A lot of doctors, bro.

01:08:46.000 You know, going to the gym has become a lot more mainstream, though, in general, hasn't it?

01:08:49.000 It certainly has, but there's a lot of gals out there faking the funk. 1.00

01:08:52.000 There's a lot of gals out there with some plastic shoved in their buttocks area. 1.00

01:08:57.000 And, ready for this? 0.99

01:08:58.000 Dun dun dun! 1.00

01:09:00.000 Ass cancer. 1.00

01:09:01.000 There's a whole group of humans that are experiencing cancer in their ass because of ass implants. 1.00

01:09:10.000 The same kind of cancer that many women get when they get breast implants. 1.00

01:09:15.000 It's not 100% of them, But it's relevant.

01:09:22.000 There's an issue.

01:09:23.000 There was an article written about it recently.

01:09:26.000 Doctors are starting to find the same types of cancer that some women get. 1.00

01:09:32.000 Everyone's body reacts differently to everything.

01:09:34.000 And there are certain risks that you take if you get some sort of an implant in your body that your body rejects it or that it causes cancer. 1.00

01:09:41.000 So women are getting cancer of their ass. 1.00

01:09:44.000 Man. 1.00

01:09:45.000 That's a rough cancer, bro. 1.00

01:09:46.000 You gotta go in there and scoop out chunks of your butt, and maybe you die. 1.00

01:09:50.000 Maybe you die. 1.00

01:09:51.000 It's not worth it.

01:09:52.000 Because you weren't willing to do squats.

01:09:53.000 Yeah, just do squats.

01:09:54.000 That's the thing.

01:09:55.000 You can do squats. 0.99

01:09:56.000 It's like if a guy has a little dick, and there was a machine that let you build your dick up, there would be a line around the block for that machine. 1.00

01:10:04.000 I mean, everybody would be on that goddamn dick machine. 1.00

01:10:09.000 But women have a way to build their ass up. 1.00

01:10:12.000 It is a real thing. 0.99

01:10:13.000 You can do squats and deadlifts.

01:10:15.000 You can run stairs. 0.99

01:10:17.000 You can do squats and deadlifts and you will get a big, firm ass. 0.99

01:10:21.000 And it works. 0.99

01:10:22.000 You know, you're not going to get a J-Lo ass unless you got those hips. 1.00

01:10:24.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:10:25.000 Have you seen when guys do the six-pack implants?

01:10:30.000 Of course, you must have seen synthol and stuff where they inject the oil into the muscles.

01:10:37.000 People do weird.

01:10:38.000 Crazy.

01:10:39.000 People do some strange...

01:10:41.000 Some really strange stuff.

01:10:42.000 The six pack one is the weirdest though.

01:10:43.000 Yeah.

01:10:44.000 Because it's just there all the time.

01:10:46.000 Yeah.

01:10:47.000 Even if they...

01:10:48.000 Ripped.

01:10:49.000 Yeah, but it looks weird because even if they gain weight and the rest of their body is kind of flabby, you still just got...

01:10:56.000 It looks like a ninja turtle.

01:10:57.000 That's what it looks like.

01:10:58.000 Yeah, that's it.

01:11:00.000 It's like bulging.

01:11:02.000 That's the perfect way to describe it.

01:11:04.000 Oh my god.

01:11:05.000 Fake ab implants over his keg. 0.65

01:11:09.000 It looks like Bowser from Mario, you know?

01:11:12.000 Show me that in a large version?

01:11:15.000 Jesus Christ.

01:11:16.000 That's weird, right? 0.99

01:11:17.000 That's so crazy because that guy's fat. 0.91

01:11:20.000 It just doesn't look right. 0.97

01:11:21.000 Wow, that's so weird.

01:11:23.000 And that's definitely fake? 0.78

01:11:25.000 It's not like that guy just does a shit ton of sit-ups?

01:11:27.000 No. 0.79

01:11:28.000 Because he's got a barrel chest, but he doesn't have any pecs, which is weird.

01:11:32.000 Who is that?

01:11:33.000 It says celebs?

01:11:34.000 I think this guy was on Big Brother in the UK. Yeah, I don't know.

01:11:36.000 And he definitely got an ab implant?

01:11:38.000 Yeah, that's an ab implant.

01:11:39.000 That's a fact?

01:11:39.000 Yeah.

01:11:39.000 100%?

01:11:41.000 I'm pretty sure.

01:11:42.000 Yeah, I don't know.

01:11:42.000 I'm pretty sure that's intense, yeah.

01:11:44.000 This says shows off plastic surgery, plastic abs.

01:11:46.000 Go back to that image that you were just at before.

01:11:50.000 Go back to where you just were.

01:11:51.000 No.

01:11:52.000 Scroll down.

01:11:53.000 No, no, no.

01:11:54.000 On the other side.

01:11:55.000 Scroll down.

01:11:56.000 The boxer.

01:11:57.000 Right there.

01:11:57.000 On the left-hand side.

01:11:58.000 Yeah.

01:11:58.000 That guy was a boxer above it.

01:12:00.000 Right there.

01:12:01.000 That guy had pec implants.

01:12:02.000 Okay.

01:12:03.000 That was a boxer with pec implants and crazy plastic surgery face. 1.00

01:12:08.000 We watched a video of him before.

01:12:11.000 He was fighting in Mexico.

01:12:13.000 He had fixed fights in Mexico.

01:12:15.000 Remember that?

01:12:16.000 This guy had fake everything.

01:12:18.000 Fake...

01:12:20.000 Chest and fake muscles.

01:12:22.000 It's just so weird because it doesn't even function.

01:12:24.000 It's so strange though because it doesn't even function.

01:12:26.000 Yeah.

01:12:27.000 If you had big arms or arms that look big pumped up with synthol or whatever, but then they're not even strong.

01:12:35.000 Right.

01:12:35.000 And then the problem is look at that neck.

01:12:37.000 Grab a hold of that neck, bro.

01:12:39.000 You ain't defending any chokes, sir. 0.99

01:12:43.000 That is a tiny ass neck. 1.00

01:12:45.000 Oh, that one there, that before and after really shows on the left, the abs. 0.98

01:12:50.000 Oh yeah, go to that far left.

01:12:51.000 Yeah, that really shows.

01:12:53.000 Wow, that's incredible.

01:12:55.000 Yeah.

01:12:56.000 My god.

01:12:57.000 But what's weird is because your abs only look like that if you're leaning, like if you're flexing them.

01:13:02.000 Yes.

01:13:02.000 But when they do that, it's like that all the time.

01:13:05.000 All the time?

01:13:06.000 So it just doesn't look right.

01:13:08.000 Whoa, look at that.

01:13:09.000 That's incredible.

01:13:10.000 This is different.

01:13:10.000 This is abdominal etching.

01:13:12.000 So it's not an implant, but like sculpting in some way with something.

01:13:15.000 That guy did also lose weight between those two pictures.

01:13:18.000 Yeah, he certainly did.

01:13:19.000 He certainly dropped his body.

01:13:20.000 And it looks like his arms and chest got bigger too.

01:13:22.000 Yeah, he leaned out.

01:13:23.000 I'm not buying that one.

01:13:24.000 And then you got that synthol guy up there.

01:13:26.000 I don't know.

01:13:27.000 People do some strange things. 0.95

01:13:29.000 The thing is, a woman can get things done like boobs, and no one cares. 1.00

01:13:34.000 Guys, she looks hot. 1.00

01:13:36.000 But if a guy's got a fucking sock in his face... 1.00

01:13:38.000 Ew! 1.00

01:13:39.000 Whoa! 0.71

01:13:42.000 We're looking at a girl who has fake implants of her abdomen, her abdominal muscles that are so obviously fake that they're over her ribs. 1.00

01:13:50.000 Those muscles are literally over the rib cage where they don't even belong.

01:13:56.000 That's nuts.

01:13:57.000 Look at her face, too. 0.51

01:13:59.000 Steroids?

01:13:59.000 Yeah, so you can see...

01:14:00.000 Yeah, so look at that guy.

01:14:01.000 You can see when he's sitting.

01:14:03.000 Go to that guy's left.

01:14:04.000 The abs are still... 0.97

01:14:06.000 Oh my god, that's so ridiculous.

01:14:08.000 It just doesn't look like... 1.00

01:14:09.000 How fat he is, too.

01:14:10.000 Bro, you gotta lose weight if you're gonna rock a... 0.99

01:14:11.000 That's so lazy.

01:14:13.000 It's an eight-pack, too.

01:14:14.000 That's so lazy.

01:14:15.000 See, abs are a weird one, because if you really desperately wanted abs, everybody can get them if you just work hard enough.

01:14:21.000 You know, abs, it's not like...

01:14:23.000 What is that?

01:14:25.000 Jesus Christ.

01:14:26.000 That guy's abs and then a weird swelling underneath.

01:14:30.000 Yeah, just go to the gym.

01:14:31.000 Oh, it says flesh fanny pack.

01:14:32.000 Yeah, but that's just...

01:14:34.000 What is that?

01:14:35.000 I don't know, sorry.

01:14:37.000 What is that?

01:14:38.000 That's just a weird picture.

01:14:39.000 Yeah.

01:14:40.000 Yeah, but guys with fake things, like, get no respect.

01:14:45.000 You know what I mean? 1.00

01:14:46.000 Like, a guy with a fake dick, like, get out of here. 1.00

01:14:48.000 A guy with a fake pecs, go away. 1.00

01:14:51.000 What is this?

01:14:52.000 He injected into his ball sack.

01:14:55.000 Oh my gosh. 1.00

01:14:56.000 Man dies after injecting silicone into his testicles for sex cult game. 1.00

01:15:01.000 Okay. 1.00

01:15:01.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:15:02.000 That fella had issues. 1.00

01:15:03.000 But like dudes with fake pecs and guys with fake muscles. 1.00

01:15:08.000 Like nobody wants to see that shit. 1.00

01:15:10.000 Nah, just go to the gym and eat right. 1.00

01:15:11.000 It does work.

01:15:12.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:15:12.000 Imagine really if there was a dick growing machine, you know? 0.98

01:15:16.000 Like a squat rack for your dick. 1.00

01:15:19.000 Boy. 1.00

01:15:20.000 Boy, would there be a line.

01:15:23.000 But after...

01:15:23.000 Wouldn't it just become like...

01:15:26.000 That would just become the new norm if everyone...

01:15:28.000 Yeah, girls would be all stretched out. 1.00

01:15:29.000 Everybody would have a giant hog. 1.00

01:15:31.000 But you know what?

01:15:31.000 I don't actually think most people would use...

01:15:33.000 Just like most people don't go to the gym.

01:15:35.000 I mean, you've already got this option to increase your muscles and make yourself look better.

01:15:39.000 And most people don't do it.

01:15:40.000 So I'm not convinced that if it took actual work and effort, I don't actually think the majority of people would do it.

01:15:45.000 I think you're 100% correct.

01:15:47.000 Yeah, if it was difficult, it was hard.

01:15:48.000 That's why people want these operations.

01:15:50.000 All they have to do is go to the doctor's office, the doctor's going to take care of everything.

01:15:54.000 Mike, I'm going to put you under, and when you wake up, you're going to have a hog of a lifetime.

01:15:59.000 You're going to have giant pecs and a full sculpted six-pack and synthol stuffed muscles.

01:16:05.000 There's one video of this guy.

01:16:08.000 This Brazilian dude who's got these synthol muscles and he's dancing.

01:16:11.000 And it looks like he's got water balloons all over his body.

01:16:13.000 I know who you're talking about.

01:16:16.000 The body dysmorphia where people just don't see what other people see, like the same as anorexics and the same as, you know, I guess bodybuilders have that same issue.

01:16:26.000 Like a lot of really enormous bodybuilders still feel like they look small.

01:16:30.000 Yeah, it's weird, man.

01:16:32.000 It's weird.

01:16:34.000 I just think if you want to change your body, you want to change your physique, you want to feel better, you want to feel more confident, there is a way to do that.

01:16:41.000 Yes.

01:16:42.000 That doesn't involve paying tens of thousands of dollars or taking massive health risks or...

01:16:48.000 Yeah.

01:16:57.000 Yeah.

01:17:00.000 Yeah.

01:17:09.000 You just can't grow muscle or something's wrong with your body or you have a disease like that.

01:17:13.000 I get it.

01:17:14.000 Then for those people, I do truly hope that science comes up with a solution and through some sort of CRISPR type engineering, they're able to...

01:17:23.000 Here's a question for you, Joe.

01:17:24.000 Do you think that there's any sort of limit in terms of...

01:17:28.000 What science maybe could do, but sort of should not.

01:17:34.000 Do you know what I mean?

01:17:35.000 As science advances and things get a little more crazy and they're looking into things like making people immortal or all that kind of...

01:17:42.000 In your own mind, do you think there's a level where it's like, maybe we should leave this alone and not go that far?

01:17:50.000 I don't know what I think even if you do think that, and I'm sure that you could find examples where I would say that's a bad idea, it's not going to matter.

01:17:57.000 Because I think that people are going to do it.

01:18:00.000 And if the United States isn't going to do it, China's going to do it. 0.63

01:18:03.000 I mean, I think China's already experimenting on people in pretty radical ways. 0.90

01:18:08.000 Really?

01:18:09.000 Yeah, they're doing CRISPR on fetuses and...

01:18:12.000 They're going to do genetic engineering, and I think it's just in the cards.

01:18:19.000 In our lifetime, we're going to see some product of genetic engineering that's some super freak athlete. 1.00

01:18:25.000 When you and I are old men... 0.97

01:18:28.000 We're going to be watching television or whatever the fuck they have back then, or in the future, rather. 0.99

01:18:33.000 And we're going to see someone who can fucking jump over buildings. 0.98

01:18:36.000 We're going to see someone who can literally fly over cars, just leap over things. 0.99

01:18:42.000 Someone with preposterous physical attributes.

01:18:44.000 That's all created in a laboratory.

01:18:46.000 Yeah.

01:18:47.000 I mean, if you think about the greatest athletes the world has ever known, you look at the very best physical specimens that humanity has to offer, and they just figured out, okay, well, what are the traits, and how do we impart those on people,

01:19:03.000 and how do we actually improve them?

01:19:05.000 How do we double them and triple them?

01:19:07.000 You know what myostatin inhibitors are?

01:19:09.000 Yes, I do.

01:19:10.000 They allow the muscle to grow far beyond what it normally can.

01:19:13.000 And they exist in, for whatever reason, in some cows, naturally, and also whippets.

01:19:22.000 Yeah, bully whippets. 1.00

01:19:23.000 It's really weird.

01:19:24.000 It's jacked up.

01:19:25.000 It's so weird.

01:19:26.000 I've shown people pictures and they're like, that's not real.

01:19:29.000 I'm like, it is real.

01:19:30.000 Something with whippets, apparently when they breed them... 0.93

01:19:33.000 Breeding dogs is weird.

01:19:35.000 I have a friend who has a chocolate lab, and their eyes are about as close together as my two fingers are. 1.00

01:19:40.000 That dog is fucked. 1.00

01:19:43.000 I don't like being around it. 1.00

01:19:45.000 It'll bite you.

01:19:46.000 It's overbred. 1.00

01:19:48.000 It's like some fucking West Virginia hillbilly just left alone in some small town. 1.00

01:19:52.000 They can't get anywhere. 1.00

01:19:53.000 Yeah.

01:19:54.000 There are people like that, right?

01:19:56.000 There's inbred people.

01:19:57.000 Well, there's inbred dogs.

01:19:58.000 Used to be a big problem with royalty, right?

01:20:00.000 Yes, yes.

01:20:01.000 Yeah, because they only had to breed with other royalty. 0.96

01:20:05.000 Whatever reason, when you breed whippets and something goes wrong, because they're just breeding with other whippets, they develop this fucking preposterous ability to grow muscle, and they look like Hulk dogs. 0.98

01:20:19.000 Yeah, it's nuts. 0.97

01:20:19.000 That's going to happen to people, man. 0.97

01:20:21.000 There was already a boy who was born in Germany, I believe, who had a natural problem.

01:20:29.000 His body naturally had the same issue that a whippet had. 0.99

01:20:33.000 Have you ever seen that kid?

01:20:34.000 I'm trying to actually remember his name, because I know the kid you're talking about.

01:20:37.000 See if you can pull that up.

01:20:37.000 Well, there was one kid, they called him the Young Hulk, but it turned out that his father was actually injecting with steroids when he was a little kid, which is awful.

01:20:45.000 But this is a boy from Germany who had this myostatin inhibitor problem, and he was fucking jacked. 0.97

01:20:54.000 How old? 0.99

01:20:55.000 He was little.

01:20:56.000 Like four.

01:20:57.000 Four or five at the time, when I saw the pictures.

01:20:59.000 And I'm talking just...

01:21:01.000 Thick muscle caps.

01:21:03.000 He looked like Paolo Costa, the guy who fights in the UFC. Just fucking jacked. 0.99

01:21:07.000 That's nuts. 1.00

01:21:08.000 Just jacked. 0.99

01:21:09.000 Jacked, little baby. 0.84

01:21:10.000 That's so weird, man.

01:21:10.000 We're gonna see the Hulk.

01:21:13.000 You know, like a real live version of the Hulk.

01:21:16.000 It's gonna happen.

01:21:17.000 I don't know.

01:21:18.000 That kind of stuff, it does freak me out because it's kind of like eugenics 2.0, right? 0.98

01:21:22.000 Yeah, it is.

01:21:23.000 You know, I'm just kind of like, man, where's this stuff all gonna go?

01:21:27.000 Right.

01:21:28.000 Well, there's a beauty in our diversity, like our physical diversity. 1.00

01:21:33.000 There's a beauty in the fact there's really tall people and really short people and really smart people, really stupid people, and sometimes stupid people are really good at certain things. 0.99

01:21:41.000 Sometimes smart people are really bad at other things. 0.98

01:21:46.000 There's a beauty in the chaos of human life is that we are all weird and different and if you can find your way, everyone can make some sort of a contribution.

01:21:58.000 It's not that everyone's going to make some sort of a contribution, but...

01:22:02.000 It's possible that most of us can find something where other people find value in what you do and you can do something in an extraordinary way.

01:22:11.000 Yeah, definitely.

01:22:11.000 I think a great way to stay humble is to always remember that everybody is superior to you in some way, shape, or form, right?

01:22:20.000 It seems like you've got people who are...

01:22:21.000 Kind of awesome at everything or whatever, but it's like, you know what?

01:22:24.000 Like every person out there has got something that, especially if they tapped into it and they actually reached some fraction of their potential, then people are capable of all kinds of crazy things when they actually do it and they train and they work on it.

01:22:39.000 Another perspective enhancer is that the grave beckons.

01:22:42.000 I mean, we're all going to die.

01:22:45.000 Dwelling on what you're great at or not great at in this life.

01:22:48.000 It's like, okay, you ain't got much time, bro.

01:22:50.000 Seems like you do, but it'll be there before you know it.

01:22:53.000 That Grim Reaper's gonna be knocking on your door.

01:22:55.000 Yeah.

01:22:56.000 I think that's motivational, though.

01:22:57.000 There's a little boy.

01:22:58.000 Is that the kid?

01:22:59.000 Yeah.

01:23:00.000 Yeah.

01:23:01.000 He's four years old. 1.00

01:23:02.000 Fucking jacked. 1.00

01:23:03.000 Wow, he's ripped. 1.00

01:23:04.000 Oh, he does?

01:23:04.000 Jeez.

01:23:06.000 Is that the kid?

01:23:07.000 He does gymnastics?

01:23:08.000 It's the best I could.

01:23:09.000 I thought this is who you're talking about.

01:23:11.000 Did you type in myostatin inhibitors?

01:23:12.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:23:13.000 But I don't know if it's coming up on him.

01:23:14.000 I don't know if they have studies on him.

01:23:16.000 I don't know if that's him.

01:23:17.000 He's Jack, though. 0.99

01:23:18.000 He's fucking Jack. 1.00

01:23:19.000 Look at that. 1.00

01:23:20.000 Jesus Christ. 0.58

01:23:21.000 He's so jacked.

01:23:22.000 He's four years old and he's built like a 17-year-old super powerful kid.

01:23:28.000 Dude, look at the shoulder striations.

01:23:31.000 What on earth?

01:23:32.000 That is so unusual.

01:23:34.000 No, that's not normal.

01:23:35.000 No, so unusual. 1.00

01:23:36.000 That guy's gonna fuck his way through grammar school. 1.00

01:23:39.000 That's not normal. 1.00

01:23:43.000 Look at him.

01:23:44.000 That's not normal.

01:23:45.000 Yeah, we're going to see a lot of those.

01:23:47.000 We're going to see a lot of those coming out of China.

01:23:49.000 Mark my words.

01:23:51.000 He's not that big anymore.

01:23:52.000 He's not that big anymore.

01:23:53.000 He's a little older now.

01:23:54.000 That's him now.

01:23:54.000 Oh, okay.

01:23:56.000 What happened?

01:23:56.000 He stopped lifting weights?

01:23:57.000 Must have. 1.00

01:23:58.000 They got him off the shit? 1.00

01:23:59.000 He's about 15 now, maybe. 0.99

01:23:59.000 See, when I see something like that, and then I also see him lifting weights when he's younger, I don't think this is the same one. 0.99

01:24:05.000 Because also, he's Italian, right?

01:24:07.000 He's Romanian.

01:24:08.000 He's Romanian?

01:24:09.000 Yeah.

01:24:11.000 There's another kid from Michigan, which you said Germany, so...

01:24:14.000 I thought it was a German kid.

01:24:15.000 Yeah, I thought I know who you were talking about, but...

01:24:17.000 We could search for a long time before we find it and interrupt the podcast.

01:24:21.000 We'll never get done.

01:24:22.000 But I think we're going to see that.

01:24:24.000 I think, to answer your question, though, yeah, I think there's probably a lot of things that we shouldn't do.

01:24:29.000 But what are those things?

01:24:31.000 And who's to decide?

01:24:33.000 And does it really matter? 0.99

01:24:36.000 Look, it's entirely possible that this fucking planet is going to get hit within our lifetime by a giant asteroid and we're going to wipe us all out. 0.99

01:24:42.000 Possible. 0.99

01:24:43.000 That's possible.

01:24:44.000 It's possible.

01:24:44.000 That's not outside the realm.

01:24:46.000 No.

01:24:46.000 I mean, isn't there a big one that's supposed to, there's a real chance it might hit around 2029?

01:24:52.000 Fuck, man. 0.98

01:24:52.000 I thought we were all supposed to be marked in 2000 or so, but I don't know. 0.98

01:24:56.000 That was just the Y2K. That was just the bug.

01:24:59.000 It was going to stop civilization in its tracks.

01:25:02.000 How hilarious is that?

01:25:03.000 When they were coding, they didn't take into account that the 1900s were going to switch over to the 2000s.

01:25:10.000 I remember even at that time, when I was a lot younger, and I was thinking...

01:25:15.000 Surely they worked that out.

01:25:17.000 Surely it'll just go from 99 to zero.

01:25:20.000 It's not going to just explode and cause all this chaos.

01:25:22.000 They worked it out.

01:25:23.000 And you had people hiding underground and doomsday prepping and all that.

01:25:26.000 Imagine if you spent all your money building a bunker in your backyard and then the day after, 2000, you poke your head out and birds are chirping.

01:25:34.000 People are driving.

01:25:35.000 Hi, Mike.

01:25:36.000 Hey, Cindy. 0.98

01:25:38.000 It's fucking normal. 1.00

01:25:40.000 You're like, shit! 1.00

01:25:41.000 My bunker! 1.00

01:25:43.000 You gotta stay in there to save face.

01:25:45.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:25:46.000 Yeah, I mean, look, people are fucking silly, but we all have this understanding, this appreciation of the fact that we, you know, civilization, like our grid, our power grid, is fragile. 0.98

01:25:59.000 The internet's fragile. 0.99

01:26:00.000 There's a fucking, there's wires that go under the ocean that connect us to other countries. 0.97

01:26:05.000 That's how it works. 0.98

01:26:06.000 The internet is literally wires laid down at the bottom of the ocean that connect us with Europe.

01:26:12.000 Yeah.

01:26:13.000 It's nuts.

01:26:13.000 It's crazy how quickly it's, How quickly it's happened as well.

01:26:17.000 It's interesting with me.

01:26:18.000 I was born in 86 and I remember in the late 80s when you couldn't even render a circle on a screen.

01:26:28.000 They didn't have the technology to make an actual circle.

01:26:31.000 So in all the video games and graphics and stuff, it would either be a square or at best a hexagon or an octagon because you couldn't actually do round curves.

01:26:40.000 And that's in my own lifetime.

01:26:42.000 I remember the early days of the internet when I was, especially when I was in boarding school and stuff and using GeoCities and Netscape and all that kind of stuff.

01:26:51.000 And it's just kind of crazy how it's gone from that and all these Atari 2600 and these very basic video games and stuff like that and the Apple IIe's with the big floppy disks and all that stuff.

01:27:03.000 And I'm just like, man, I'm only, I mean, I just turned 33 and I'm like, man, that's just in my own lifetime.

01:27:09.000 So in another time, 10, 20, 30 years, it's amazing to just think of what stuff's going to be like.

01:27:17.000 Because they'll look back on what we have now, and everything we have now is going to look like the Atari 2600 does to me right now.

01:27:27.000 They'll be looking at these phones and being like, oh my gosh, people used to use this?

01:27:30.000 It's inevitable.

01:27:31.000 You know what's interesting is that there's nothing classic from our lifetime either.

01:27:38.000 Classic.

01:27:39.000 Classic.

01:27:40.000 Like, there's classic things from, like, classic muscle cars, for example, from the 1960s.

01:27:47.000 People love them. 0.99

01:27:47.000 Classic cars from the 90s can go fuck themselves. 0.99

01:27:50.000 Nobody wants a 1990 car. 1.00

01:27:53.000 Get the fuck out of here with that. 1.00

01:27:55.000 Wasn't it already classic by, like, the 80s, though? 0.98

01:27:57.000 Like, classic rock was already classic rock.

01:28:00.000 So how was it, like, instantly?

01:28:01.000 It happened quick.

01:28:02.000 Yeah.

01:28:02.000 Well, people realized that something had happened.

01:28:04.000 There was just like this blip in time where people went wild.

01:28:09.000 And they, you know, we talked about it with Aoki yesterday.

01:28:12.000 We were talking about Hendrix and Janis Joplin and Jim Morrison.

01:28:15.000 These people just were a part of this revolutionary change in culture.

01:28:18.000 And then it was swiped out in the 1970s. 0.97

01:28:21.000 So by the time 1980s came around when I was in high school, 1970 cars were fucking classic cars. 0.95

01:28:28.000 They were classic, like a 1970 Chevelle. 1.00

01:28:32.000 In 1981, when I was 14, was the shit. 1.00

01:28:35.000 Okay. 0.99

01:28:35.000 It was like a classic muscle car. 0.99

01:28:37.000 Like, my mom had a 1970 Barracuda.

01:28:40.000 1971 Barracuda. 1.00

01:28:42.000 When I was 14 in 1981, that was the shit. 0.99

01:28:45.000 But it was a classic car. 0.99

01:28:46.000 It was an old car.

01:28:47.000 But it was 10 years old!

01:28:48.000 Okay.

01:28:49.000 It's like we realized some way... 1.00

01:28:52.000 That the culture had shifted, and that was never going to happen again, because cars were dog shit in the 80s. 1.00

01:28:58.000 I mean, they were just dog shit. 0.99

01:28:59.000 If you didn't have a Porsche, Porsche's probably the only cars that are still cool. 0.99

01:29:03.000 Like, I have a 1993 RS America.

01:29:07.000 It's a very lightweight, air-cooled Porsche, super lightweight, stripped down, no air conditioning, no radio.

01:29:14.000 It's a fun car. 0.93

01:29:16.000 That was, like, one of the rare cars that's worth a fuck from the 1990s. 0.90

01:29:20.000 One of the rare ones. 1.00

01:29:21.000 Most of the shit from that era is just nonsense. 0.99

01:29:24.000 You know, for whatever reason, they just... 0.99

01:29:26.000 The 80s and the 90s, like, people just had...

01:29:29.000 They went into this dull zone of creativity when it comes to a lot of things.

01:29:33.000 Classic video games, though, I guess.

01:29:35.000 Music and video games.

01:29:36.000 Entertainment.

01:29:37.000 Music, films.

01:29:38.000 Comedy.

01:29:40.000 Eddie Murphy Delirious was from the 80s. 0.99

01:29:42.000 Yeah, a lot of Richard Pryor shit was from the 80s. 0.98

01:29:44.000 It was amazing. 0.97

01:29:45.000 So maybe not in terms of tech or manufacturing, but in entertainment, I think.

01:29:50.000 Entertainment and culture, I think some key stuff happened in that decade.

01:29:54.000 Well, there's these bursts of novelty and of creativity, and we're certainly in the middle of one right now.

01:30:02.000 Right now is probably one of the more interesting times to be alive in terms of constant innovation and new things being created.

01:30:09.000 Apple has apparently some new AR glasses they're about to release, augmented reality glasses.

01:30:14.000 I also just think now the time we live is people just have the opportunity and potential and power people have as individuals now is insane.

01:30:24.000 It's not what it's ever been before.

01:30:27.000 Nobody told you to start this podcast, right?

01:30:29.000 This is just something you started.

01:30:31.000 You've been doing it.

01:30:32.000 You've been doing it now for a decade plus.

01:30:34.000 And you've got the ability to broadcast this out to millions of people.

01:30:38.000 It doesn't matter where they are in the world.

01:30:39.000 I mean, I live in the UK. I flew over here to come do this podcast.

01:30:42.000 And I had people in the UK. Oh, cool.

01:30:44.000 Awesome.

01:30:45.000 You're going on Joe Rogan.

01:30:46.000 Yeah, I watched that.

01:30:47.000 And it's like, that's...

01:30:48.000 Thousands of miles away, and you've got people all over, and you can reach all of them, largely for free, too.

01:30:53.000 You can just do that.

01:30:54.000 You can put something out on your phone.

01:30:55.000 You can reach millions of people through there, whatever it is you're trying to communicate, whatever it is you're trying to promote.

01:30:59.000 I mean, that's new.

01:31:00.000 Yeah, I really enjoy the fact that it's free.

01:31:02.000 I think that's the coolest aspect of one of the big media things today, which are podcasts, is that you can just get them.

01:31:11.000 I download so many of them, man.

01:31:13.000 I get them all the time.

01:31:15.000 And they're always new ones.

01:31:17.000 They're always available.

01:31:18.000 Yeah.

01:31:18.000 And you get them.

01:31:19.000 I love the fact that you can get them instantly, too.

01:31:22.000 Yeah.

01:31:22.000 You have a podcast, don't you?

01:31:24.000 I do, yeah.

01:31:24.000 Real Talk with Zuby.

01:31:25.000 Real Talk with Zuby.

01:31:26.000 So I can go right now to my iTunes, and I'll type in right here.

01:31:30.000 Here we are.

01:31:30.000 We go right there.

01:31:31.000 We're in the podcast app, and we're going to go with Real Talk with Zuby.

01:31:36.000 Talk with Zuby.

01:31:38.000 Z-U. There it is. 1.00

01:31:39.000 Bam! 0.98

01:31:40.000 Real Talk with Zuby.

01:31:41.000 Here it is.

01:31:42.000 Boom.

01:31:43.000 Look at that.

01:31:43.000 And I'm going to subscribe.

01:31:44.000 And then I'm going to see?

01:31:46.000 Oh, checkmark.

01:31:47.000 And then I'm going to download.

01:31:48.000 Awesome.

01:31:49.000 Everybody else go do the same right now.

01:31:51.000 Everybody go do the same.

01:31:52.000 But look at this.

01:31:52.000 I mean, this is what's crazy is that you can, like, instantaneously play it.

01:31:56.000 I mean, we're having this conversation.

01:31:58.000 Sponsored by Benign Images.

01:31:59.000 I mean, come on, man.

01:32:00.000 That's crazy.

01:32:02.000 That's the most amazing thing in our lifetime.

01:32:05.000 It is, yeah.

01:32:06.000 You just pulled that out of the air.

01:32:08.000 This thing is like in the air. 0.99

01:32:10.000 It's not connected as shit. 0.97

01:32:11.000 And it's just pulling things out of the sky. 0.99

01:32:15.000 It's nuts.

01:32:16.000 I feel like people are aware of it, but they're kind of not.

01:32:19.000 Most people are not.

01:32:21.000 Do you know what I mean?

01:32:21.000 The people that are, are.

01:32:23.000 Yeah.

01:32:23.000 People use it.

01:32:24.000 Everybody knows the internet exists.

01:32:26.000 Everyone knows social media is there.

01:32:27.000 I don't think people realize what you can really do with those tools.

01:32:31.000 It's like, yeah, you can sit there on Twitter and Be mean to people and troll and troll and go on YouTube and write mean comments or whatever.

01:32:39.000 You can do that.

01:32:39.000 But you can also just create something from nothing, right?

01:32:43.000 If you're a comedian, you're a musician, you're an actor, whatever, you can just go and just make a YouTube channel.

01:32:49.000 Create a new channel.

01:32:50.000 Create a new account.

01:32:50.000 And you can just start putting stuff out there.

01:32:53.000 You've got a phone which can record in HD, 4K video, good audio.

01:32:57.000 I mean, it's nuts even if I just go back to the 90s or early 1000s.

01:33:04.000 Oh, yeah.

01:33:26.000 So you're making 4K video, not just blurred, but they also have this filter that you can make the background kind of fucked up and scratchy like an old VHS tape.

01:33:36.000 Okay.

01:33:36.000 You can do cool effects with video in real time.

01:33:41.000 Yeah.

01:33:41.000 I mean, they also have wide-angle lenses, so you can film and take photos in wide-angle.

01:33:47.000 They have night vision mode, where it turns night into a much more visible environment.

01:33:52.000 It's...

01:33:53.000 It's weird.

01:33:54.000 It's weird.

01:33:55.000 And it's still early.

01:33:55.000 That's the crazy thing is that it's still early.

01:33:57.000 I love the fact they're all competing with each other, right?

01:33:59.000 Like Apple has to come up with something better than Samsung's done and Huawei and OnePlus. 0.99

01:34:05.000 It's this mad dash to come up with the greatest shit the world's ever seen. 0.99

01:34:10.000 It is. 1.00

01:34:10.000 Everyone's doing it. 1.00

01:34:11.000 I do think that it would be good to have a little bit of a moratorium on new phones, though.

01:34:15.000 Really?

01:34:15.000 Why?

01:34:16.000 They won't do it.

01:34:17.000 They never will.

01:34:18.000 No, of course not.

01:34:19.000 They want to keep the competition going, keep people fired up.

01:34:22.000 But the differences between them now are so incremental.

01:34:25.000 It's just diminishing returns now.

01:34:28.000 So, you know, if you put out a new phone every six months or every 12 months, the difference between them now is kind of like...

01:34:35.000 Sort of.

01:34:35.000 But the difference between, like, if you look at, like, the screen real estate of, like, a Galaxy Note 10 versus an iPhone 10, which is what I have, the XS Max, that was the shit just a few months ago.

01:34:50.000 But when you look at that next to, like, Steve Aoki was here yesterday, and he had a Galaxy S10 Plus.

01:34:57.000 Is that what it was?

01:34:58.000 Mm-hmm.

01:34:58.000 That thing looks way cooler than this.

01:35:00.000 You look at them right next to each other like, oh, there's no bezels on the outside and there's no notch at the top.

01:35:07.000 There's a tiny little hole where the camera is.

01:35:09.000 I'm like, oh.

01:35:10.000 I guess what I mean is the difference between the Galaxy S5 and the S6 Edge was a big leap.

01:35:17.000 And then between the S6 and the S7, a little less.

01:35:22.000 Between the S7 and the S8, a little less.

01:35:24.000 I mean, between the...

01:35:25.000 What do you got over there?

01:35:26.000 What do you use?

01:35:27.000 This is a OnePlus 6. I'll give them a shout-out.

01:35:30.000 That's a great phone.

01:35:32.000 OnePlus makes a great phone, a sort of unheralded phone, and they have the very best in-screen fingerprint reader, apparently.

01:35:38.000 Yeah, so...

01:35:39.000 Shout-out to Flossie Carter.

01:35:40.000 Shout-out to him.

01:35:41.000 Teaching me how to...

01:35:41.000 Yeah, so they've made...

01:35:44.000 Three new ones since this version.

01:35:46.000 I only got this last year, but this is already three generations.

01:35:50.000 Let me see that. 0.80

01:35:50.000 And that's pretty fucking cool. 0.80

01:35:52.000 The new ones, the OnePlus 7. The OnePlus 7 has a full screen. 0.86

01:35:58.000 So you got Megatron on the back there, too.

01:36:00.000 Oh, nice.

01:36:00.000 The OnePlus 7 has a full screen.

01:36:02.000 There's no notch at all.

01:36:04.000 There's nothing.

01:36:04.000 Pop-up camera.

01:36:05.000 The camera goes like a little motor, which is pretty incredible.

01:36:08.000 Yeah.

01:36:09.000 A lot of people here don't seem to know OnePlus.

01:36:11.000 No.

01:36:11.000 Everyone seems confused by my phone here.

01:36:13.000 Right.

01:36:14.000 Everybody's Apple crazy over there.

01:36:16.000 Oh, okay, okay.

01:36:17.000 Everyone's locked into the ecosystem.

01:36:19.000 Okay.

01:36:19.000 Apple's done an amazing job of roping everybody into their ecosystem 100% with iMessage and with AirDrop.

01:36:26.000 Okay.

01:36:26.000 Those two things.

01:36:27.000 And FaceTime.

01:36:28.000 And FaceTime.

01:36:29.000 Weird thing over here.

01:36:29.000 Everybody FaceTimes people.

01:36:31.000 It's a new thing.

01:36:32.000 Like, I got FaceTime calls from my friends that just FaceTime me out of the blue.

01:36:36.000 I'm like, all right.

01:36:38.000 I guess we're going to talk on video.

01:36:40.000 And then they're there.

01:36:41.000 And then your video.

01:36:42.000 Like, the first one to do it to me was Killer Mike. 1.00

01:36:44.000 I was taking a shit. 1.00

01:36:45.000 And Killer Mike FaceTimes me. 0.99

01:36:47.000 I'm like, what's up, man?

01:36:50.000 But apparently kids are doing it.

01:36:51.000 Andrew Schultz does it.

01:36:52.000 A lot of people just FaceTime people now.

01:36:55.000 That's the new thing.

01:36:56.000 People are into FaceTiming.

01:36:57.000 Schultz is an interesting example because he's a guy that couldn't get a Netflix deal, couldn't get a Comedy Central deal.

01:37:03.000 So he said, okay...

01:37:05.000 I know what I'll do.

01:37:06.000 I know I've got great comedy.

01:37:07.000 I will just put it all on YouTube.

01:37:09.000 And he created this YouTube channel.

01:37:11.000 He put his stand-up comedy special.

01:37:14.000 He self-produced it, paid for everything, put it up on YouTube.

01:37:17.000 And it's got millions of views.

01:37:20.000 And he went from being a guy that didn't really sell out clubs all that often to selling out theaters, multiple shows.

01:37:27.000 And it happened inside of a year.

01:37:29.000 Just all self-made.

01:37:31.000 All done by himself with the people that he works with.

01:37:35.000 He puts little clips on his Instagram.

01:37:36.000 They get hyped up.

01:37:38.000 He promotes them that way.

01:37:40.000 He puts clips on YouTube.

01:37:42.000 And now other comics are following suit.

01:37:44.000 And they're realizing, like, hey, this is the way to do this.

01:37:46.000 And so many people can watch YouTube on their television now, too.

01:37:50.000 Oh, yeah, of course.

01:37:50.000 The opportunity out there right now is incredible.

01:37:54.000 It's incredible. 0.99

01:37:54.000 I mean, I posted a dumb nine-second video on Twitter. 0.99

01:37:58.000 And, you know, got international coverage on it. 0.91

01:38:02.000 I've been invited to fly out to LA. I'm now on, you know, the Joe Rogan experience doing all these other podcasts.

01:38:07.000 And it's just...

01:38:09.000 It's just nuts.

01:38:11.000 Did you take any heat for that?

01:38:12.000 Oh, of course, yeah.

01:38:13.000 What did people say?

01:38:14.000 Well, 99.5% was positive.

01:38:18.000 Most people got it.

01:38:20.000 The people who were angry, it was kind of funny because people were angry for different reasons because a lot of people didn't get it.

01:38:27.000 So, I don't want to say a lot of people, a few people didn't get it.

01:38:30.000 So, some people were upset with me saying that what I did was not fair towards women.

01:38:39.000 You kind of got the point, but you also sort of hugely missed it here.

01:38:42.000 So I got some people saying that, you know, you're not a real woman and you shouldn't be doing this. 1.00

01:38:47.000 What you did was unfair against women and blah, blah, blah. 1.00

01:38:49.000 Those are ditch diggers.

01:38:51.000 I'm kind of like, dude.

01:38:52.000 You're always going to have people that you need them to dig holes.

01:38:55.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:38:57.000 They're not going to get it.

01:38:58.000 And then, of course, there were the people who were trying to say that it was some attack on trans people as a whole or the entire trans community or something like this.

01:39:07.000 And it was just like, no, it's just making a very biological, factual point.

01:39:14.000 This is not an attack on any individual nor group.

01:39:17.000 And like you said, I mean, online, what's weird is people try to read...

01:39:21.000 Malice and stuff into things that's not there.

01:39:24.000 Someone will see one tweet and they'll start coming up with all these weird assumptions about what you believe or what they think you are or whatever and you're just like, no, that's not what I said.

01:39:34.000 That's not what I believe.

01:39:35.000 I just said what I said.

01:39:37.000 I did what I did.

01:39:37.000 That is one of the interesting things about tweets, right?

01:39:39.000 Is that if you can define someone in 140 characters, a bigoted moron who's this and that, and boom. 0.97

01:39:46.000 And then you send that tweet out there, and then you read it, and you're like, hey, that's not me. 0.96

01:39:50.000 But these mischaracterizations are so easy when there's 140 characters or 280 characters.

01:39:56.000 A lot of it is malice, too.

01:39:57.000 If people don't understand something or something goes against their beliefs or their ideology, it's a lot easier to just try to demonize the person who's saying it or slap some kind of label on them, which means that you can just ignore that person.

01:40:09.000 Yeah.

01:40:12.000 People try to do it all the time.

01:40:13.000 It's not something that works with me because I'm very aware and cognizant of these type of tactics and stuff people try to use to mob people or shut them down or whatever.

01:40:20.000 So it doesn't work on me personally.

01:40:23.000 I've had tons of mobs come after me and try to label me something.

01:40:27.000 I'm sure you're reasonable.

01:40:29.000 Yeah.

01:40:30.000 This is the thing.

01:40:31.000 It just doesn't work because I don't play into the game.

01:40:35.000 They just end up looking silly because they'll say something and you're just like, no.

01:40:39.000 Well, you've got your finger on the pulse of culture and all these shifting tides and turns.

01:40:44.000 Where do you think this is going?

01:40:46.000 Because this is not something that we experienced 10, 15 years ago.

01:40:49.000 This is all like the boiling point is completely new.

01:40:55.000 Where do you think this is going?

01:40:57.000 That's a good question.

01:40:58.000 Is it like a particular aspect of it?

01:41:00.000 Do you mean the political stuff?

01:41:03.000 Well, the animosity for sure, because it seems heightened.

01:41:06.000 It is heightened.

01:41:07.000 It seems more, people are particularly politically more polarized now than ever before.

01:41:13.000 Quickest I've ever seen for people to label someone a bigot or a racist or a transphobe or a sexist.

01:41:21.000 It's like everyone...

01:41:23.000 There's so much intensity involved in discourse today. 0.94

01:41:28.000 I attribute some of it to the dismay of having a maniac in the White House.

01:41:34.000 Well, he's more of a symptom than a cause.

01:41:38.000 It was already happening, and I'd already seen it happening.

01:41:41.000 Yeah.

01:41:42.000 So that's a big reason why he won, as far as I'm concerned, because people were getting tired of some of the nonsense.

01:41:50.000 You know, people are getting tired of...

01:41:51.000 I often joke, I mean, it seems like in 2015 and 2016, the strategy of, you know, some of the Democratic Party was to call half the population racist, and that didn't work.

01:42:03.000 So now their strategy is to call 70% of the population racist and hope it works.

01:42:08.000 And it's just like...

01:42:11.000 I was like, it doesn't work.

01:42:13.000 I mean, it doesn't endear people to you.

01:42:15.000 If you're trying to win people over, then trying to call them things that they're not is really not a good idea.

01:42:21.000 And a big problem with it as well is one, it dilutes the terms.

01:42:24.000 When people start throwing around these terms, racist, Nazi, white supremacist, it dilutes the terms completely.

01:42:30.000 Did you see what happened with Google?

01:42:32.000 Which one?

01:42:33.000 With Google where they called Ben Shapiro, who's a Jew, an Orthodox Jew.

01:42:38.000 Is he Orthodox Jew?

01:42:40.000 Yeah, Orthodox.

01:42:40.000 One of those.

01:42:41.000 And Dennis Prager, who's also Jewish.

01:42:43.000 They labeled them in internal memos as Nazis.

01:42:46.000 It's insane. 0.98

01:42:48.000 Nazis! 1.00

01:42:48.000 It's crazy. 1.00

01:42:49.000 I've been called a Nazi.

01:42:50.000 I'm a young black man. 0.98

01:42:52.000 I've been called a black-white supremacist, Joe. 0.90

01:42:55.000 I'm not even joking. 0.98

01:42:56.000 No, wait, wait, wait.

01:42:56.000 You really have?

01:42:57.000 Yeah.

01:42:57.000 So, like, Clayton Bigsby from the Dave Chappelle show?

01:43:01.000 I wish I were joking.

01:43:03.000 And best thing is, like, three of the people who have called me that were white, too.

01:43:06.000 Oh, God, that's hilarious. 0.96

01:43:06.000 So I was just like, you can't see the ridiculousness of what you're saying here. 0.96

01:43:11.000 So people just throw around these labels.

01:43:13.000 And I think it's a problem for a lot of reasons.

01:43:15.000 I think, one, it massively minimizes...

01:43:18.000 I think?

01:43:43.000 It dilutes the terms.

01:43:45.000 So things that should have a sting lose their sting.

01:43:49.000 If you're going to just call everybody a racist, you're going to call everybody a white supremacist, you're going to call everybody these things, then these words lose their power.

01:43:57.000 And then third, it actually provides cover For genuine people who hold these views, right?

01:44:03.000 Like white supremacy is not some big popular common thing, but you know, those people do still exist.

01:44:09.000 Neo-Nazis do actually exist.

01:44:10.000 And you're providing massive cover for them all.

01:44:13.000 If you're going to just start going around and bandying out these terms, what like willy nilly, because now when people hear those terms, if you hear, Oh, so-and-so is called a Nazi.

01:44:23.000 Now my default that, you know, 10 years ago, I would have been like, Oh really?

01:44:26.000 Like, you know, what is this serious?

01:44:29.000 Right.

01:44:29.000 Now it's like, oh, do you mean like an actual Nazi or do you mean like an immediate- It's the boy who cried wolf.

01:44:36.000 Exactly.

01:44:37.000 Exactly.

01:44:38.000 And, you know, it just begins to the stage where words just lose their meanings.

01:44:42.000 And I don't even know, I don't take these accusations even seriously anymore.

01:44:47.000 And a lot of people feel the same way because so many people have been called these things.

01:44:51.000 But do you think it's going to normalize where everyone's going to calm down or do you think it's going to keep ramping up?

01:44:55.000 It's a good question.

01:44:57.000 I think it depends on whether or not Donald Trump wins again.

01:45:00.000 I think if he wins again, it might ramp up.

01:45:02.000 I think he will win again because it's ramping up.

01:45:07.000 I think that people need to chill.

01:45:10.000 That's really what it is.

01:45:12.000 People need to chill and not get so caught up in...

01:45:16.000 It's so weird.

01:45:18.000 We're living in this time where people are saying that gender is a spectrum, but yet...

01:45:24.000 Politics is binary.

01:45:25.000 Okay, so you're left, you're on the left, or you're on the right.

01:45:29.000 That's a good point.

01:45:30.000 That's it.

01:45:31.000 And it's like, no, most people, I mean, firstly, most people are relatively apolitical.

01:45:35.000 Most people are not actually that politically charged.

01:45:38.000 Right.

01:45:39.000 Most people are busy.

01:45:40.000 Most people just want to get on with their lives and not really be bothered. 0.95

01:45:43.000 They just don't want to get fucked over in their taxes. 0.96

01:45:44.000 Exactly. 0.95

01:45:45.000 They want their schools to be good.

01:45:46.000 Yeah.

01:45:47.000 Yeah.

01:45:47.000 And they're not, you know, they don't want people to be discriminated against.

01:45:50.000 No, they're not right.

01:45:50.000 Exactly.

01:45:51.000 They're not ride or die for the blue team or ride or die for the red team.

01:45:54.000 It's so weird when they are, too.

01:45:56.000 Yeah, it is.

01:45:57.000 It's exhausting when you're around someone who's really political.

01:46:00.000 I get it if that's your job and that's what you do and whatnot, but ultimately, look, all these people have to live in the same town, city, country, planet.

01:46:10.000 So we need a way for all of these people and all of this diversity on all levels to work and function and people don't step on each other's toes too much and everyone can do their things, have their beliefs, have their views, and not massively encroach on other people.

01:46:25.000 And I think we'd actually work that out pretty well.

01:46:28.000 I want to say in like the late 90s to...

01:46:33.000 Early 2010s, stuff seemed, certainly in the West, like, okay, we've kind of got it here.

01:46:39.000 And that's why I feel a little bit dismayed when I see some of these ideas popping up or some of this identity politics nonsense and stuff popping up over the last five to six years.

01:46:48.000 And people are kind of falling back into this very tribal mentality, whether it's men versus women or black versus white or red versus blue or remain versus leave.

01:46:58.000 Whatever it is, I'm just kind of like, look, I look at people as individuals.

01:47:02.000 People, I'm not going to be...

01:47:03.000 I'm not running around the street trying to find...

01:47:06.000 How do we promote that, though?

01:47:07.000 How do we promote looking at people as individuals?

01:47:10.000 Because I think that is really...

01:47:11.000 That's one of the keys to getting out of this mess.

01:47:15.000 It is.

01:47:16.000 Is to stop tribal ideological recognition and definitions of humans.

01:47:22.000 Just to look at people as...

01:47:23.000 This is Tom.

01:47:24.000 This is Sally.

01:47:25.000 This is this guy.

01:47:27.000 This is that girl.

01:47:28.000 This is... 1.00

01:47:28.000 This non-binary person, whatever the fuck they are. 1.00

01:47:30.000 I think there's a lot to learn from children in that regard because I don't think kids generally do that. 1.00

01:47:34.000 They don't give a fuck. 0.99

01:47:34.000 Kids don't care. 0.99

01:47:35.000 They don't give a fuck. 1.00

01:47:35.000 Kids don't care. 1.00

01:47:36.000 I mean, where I grew up in Saudi Arabia, I mean, off the bat, I was just surrounded by people of all different skin colors, different nationalities, different religions, and it was just always cool.

01:47:47.000 Some of these ideas, like I'd never heard people talking about race any time more in my life than now, which is really weird to me.

01:47:57.000 Right?

01:47:58.000 You know, in the 90s, in the 1000s, I wasn't hearing people talking about, you know, white privilege this, white privilege, white man that.

01:48:05.000 And suddenly it's like, you know, oh, let me tell you about my blackness.

01:48:09.000 Or, you know, you're hearing terms like blackness and whiteness.

01:48:11.000 And I'm just like, what are you even talking about? 0.86

01:48:14.000 Like, this is nonsense. 0.89

01:48:15.000 People of color this. 0.97

01:48:16.000 I can't stand that term, by the way.

01:48:18.000 You know, like, just all this terminology and people are just talking in these really bizarre ways and just kind of grouping people.

01:48:26.000 Into these weird groups and I'm just like, what's the point of all this?

01:48:31.000 What's the purpose here?

01:48:31.000 They get some juice out of it.

01:48:33.000 You know, that's why for them it's worth the squeeze.

01:48:36.000 Yeah.

01:48:36.000 Because they get something, you know, they get something by appealing to fellow Europeans or by appealing to, you know, like the straight pride parade.

01:48:45.000 You know, they got a bunch of people to fucking parade. 0.99

01:48:48.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:48:49.000 They got together like, I'm so proud of being straight. 1.00

01:48:52.000 Like, oh great, you're proud of being 90% of the fucking population. 0.99

01:48:57.000 More than that, yeah. 1.00

01:48:57.000 Straight people are under attack. 1.00

01:48:59.000 Like, what does that mean?

01:49:01.000 That is so crazy.

01:49:03.000 I don't know. 0.95

01:49:03.000 Gay pride makes sense. 0.95

01:49:05.000 I know a bunch of guys.

01:49:10.000 Well, I know at least three that are in the closet that want to come out, but can't.

01:49:15.000 They're scared.

01:49:16.000 Whether it's because of their career or because of their life. 0.91

01:49:19.000 You know, they're gay amongst their friends.

01:49:21.000 They let their friend, but they don't want to tell anybody.

01:49:22.000 So for them...

01:49:24.000 It's like a lot of conservatives.

01:49:25.000 Right. 0.98

01:49:25.000 Gay is the only thing that you can hide, right? 0.98

01:49:32.000 If you're black, it's obvious. 1.00

01:49:35.000 If you're white, it's obvious. 0.99

01:49:36.000 If you're gay, no one knows. 1.00

01:49:39.000 No one knows. 0.95

01:49:40.000 So you can hear people say gay jokes and say mean things, and you could just swallow it. 1.00

01:49:46.000 And you could feel terrible, and you could hear pastors talk about how you're going to hell if you're gay, and you're like, fuck! 1.00

01:49:53.000 And they are gay, and they can't come out. 1.00

01:49:55.000 So for them... 0.79

01:49:57.000 The idea of gay pride makes sense.

01:49:59.000 It's a celebration.

01:50:00.000 It's an affirmation that it's okay to be who you are.

01:50:02.000 That makes sense. 1.00

01:50:04.000 Straight pride is fucking preposterous. 1.00

01:50:06.000 It's so ridiculous, man. 1.00

01:50:09.000 Fucking most people are straight, bitch! 1.00

01:50:11.000 What are you doing? 1.00

01:50:11.000 You're taking time out of your busy day and you're gonna march. 1.00

01:50:15.000 If the gay pride thing is a rainbow, what do straight people get? 0.91

01:50:22.000 I don't know.

01:50:23.000 What's the flag?

01:50:23.000 It's kind of greedy they took the whole rainbow, though.

01:50:25.000 They did.

01:50:25.000 They stole it from the leprechauns.

01:50:27.000 It's greedy.

01:50:28.000 Let's stop and think about that.

01:50:30.000 What is the straight pride flag? 0.91

01:50:32.000 What color would it be?

01:50:35.000 Maybe all black or all white.

01:50:36.000 I don't know.

01:50:37.000 Black and white?

01:50:38.000 I don't know.

01:50:39.000 What is it?

01:50:39.000 Yeah, black and white.

01:50:40.000 Is it black and white?

01:50:41.000 For real.

01:50:42.000 There's a flag.

01:50:43.000 I said flag.

01:50:44.000 I meant to say flag.

01:50:46.000 Sorry.

01:50:47.000 Canceled.

01:50:49.000 Really?

01:50:50.000 There's a flag.

01:50:51.000 I Googled it.

01:50:51.000 There's pictures of it.

01:50:53.000 It says it's from Boston's trade. 0.99

01:50:54.000 Please put up the fucking straight... 0.99

01:50:55.000 Oh, Jesus Christ! 0.99

01:50:58.000 Oh, it's exactly what I thought it would be.

01:50:59.000 I was going to say it'll have the male and female symbol.

01:51:02.000 You nailed it, dude. 0.99

01:51:02.000 You fucking nailed it. 0.99

01:51:02.000 Look at that. 0.99

01:51:03.000 That's incredible.

01:51:04.000 It's like a meme, but I don't know.

01:51:05.000 Bro, we need to get that.

01:51:06.000 We need to hang one of those in the studio.

01:51:09.000 Straight pride flag. 1.00

01:51:10.000 Holy shit. 1.00

01:51:12.000 Holy shit, there's a straight pride flag. 1.00

01:51:15.000 There's flags for everything you know, aren't there? 1.00

01:51:17.000 God damn it, that's hilarious though. 1.00

01:51:19.000 Meanwhile, the gay one, they have a way better flag. 1.00

01:51:22.000 Make America straight again? 0.99

01:51:24.000 Oh my god.

01:51:26.000 Oh my God.

01:51:27.000 It's straight, dude. 1.00

01:51:28.000 That's why there's so many of us, you fucking idiot. 1.00

01:51:31.000 America is mostly straight. 1.00

01:51:33.000 That's why there's 320 million people.

01:51:36.000 Oh, God.

01:51:38.000 Yeah, man.

01:51:38.000 People can do what they want, man.

01:51:40.000 The fact that I was joking, thinking there's a straight pride flag, and the fact that you nailed it perfectly. 0.99

01:51:48.000 Oh, it's probably black and white.

01:51:49.000 That's another one.

01:51:50.000 Red and pink and blue. 0.99

01:51:51.000 Get the fuck out of here with that one. 0.99

01:51:53.000 Is that another one? 0.99

01:51:54.000 Yeah.

01:51:55.000 Oh, so there's division amongst the straight pride folks.

01:51:58.000 They can't decide what's what.

01:52:00.000 It's great to be straight.

01:52:01.000 Look at this.

01:52:02.000 Oh, what do you get?

01:52:03.000 What do you get? 1.00

01:52:04.000 People that no one wants to fuck. 1.00

01:52:06.000 Look at them. 1.00

01:52:07.000 That guy's got an American flag bandana. 1.00

01:52:08.000 Bitch, you ain't Hulk Hogan. 1.00

01:52:10.000 You take that goddamn thing off right now. 1.00

01:52:12.000 Got a bandana around his head. 1.00

01:52:14.000 Stop.

01:52:17.000 What do we do, Zuby?

01:52:19.000 Keep doing what we're doing, man.

01:52:20.000 I think discussion, to answer your question, I think discussion is what is needed to keep the lid on the pot.

01:52:29.000 I think that's why when we're talking about deplatforming and all that kind of stuff, all that stuff plays into the polarization as far as I'm concerned.

01:52:38.000 I agree.

01:52:38.000 It drives people underground.

01:52:39.000 It pushes people to radical fringes and whatnot.

01:52:42.000 What you want is just...

01:52:43.000 Keep the communication channels open.

01:52:45.000 I mean, you've only got three ways of dealing with any conflict.

01:52:47.000 You can talk, you can segregate, or you can fight.

01:52:51.000 It doesn't matter if you're talking individually or countries.

01:52:55.000 Those are the only three options.

01:52:57.000 So as soon as discussion breaks down or people don't want to talk or people think, oh, I can't talk to that person because they...

01:53:04.000 Yeah.

01:53:27.000 Over politics.

01:53:28.000 And when I see stuff like that, I'm like, that is sad.

01:53:30.000 That's very, very sad.

01:53:32.000 I mean, you can have a disagreement.

01:53:33.000 You can say, okay, I believe in this.

01:53:35.000 I think this.

01:53:35.000 I'm going to vote that way.

01:53:36.000 You vote that way.

01:53:37.000 Cool.

01:53:37.000 But you can still be friends.

01:53:38.000 You can still be brothers.

01:53:39.000 You can still be cool.

01:53:41.000 Like that stuff.

01:53:42.000 I mean, if stuff is functioning correctly...

01:53:46.000 Politics shouldn't play such a huge role in your life.

01:53:49.000 It should be a very much a background thing.

01:53:52.000 You know what I mean?

01:53:53.000 It's just there.

01:53:54.000 It's also one of the main characteristics in cults is to separate you from anybody that disagrees.

01:53:59.000 It is.

01:54:00.000 It really is.

01:54:01.000 That's one of the things that they do in cults.

01:54:02.000 They separate you from your family.

01:54:04.000 It's one of the first things they do.

01:54:05.000 It is.

01:54:06.000 And that's how people end up in echo chambers.

01:54:07.000 People are like, oh, how did we not see Trump coming?

01:54:10.000 It's like, you didn't see Trump coming because you don't talk to half the population.

01:54:13.000 Right.

01:54:13.000 And if you live in these high population areas where everyone has the same sort of ideology or shares that ideology, it becomes a real problem.

01:54:21.000 New York and LA in particular.

01:54:22.000 Yeah, it's weird.

01:54:23.000 I mean, it happens.

01:54:24.000 The two things I guess it happens with most are politics and religion, right?

01:54:29.000 So if you live in a place where...

01:54:32.000 Everybody is religious and everybody is of the same faith, then it's easy to sort of assume and behave in a way that everybody else In the world or outside, thinks and believes the exact same things everybody you know does.

01:54:47.000 The same thing can happen politically.

01:54:49.000 If someone lives in a super liberal area or a super conservative area, you can just think, okay, well, everyone I know thinks this.

01:54:56.000 So that's what everybody thinks.

01:54:58.000 And a lot of people, I mean, I'm a musician, you're a comedian, we both go around I think?

01:55:18.000 Understand and empathize with all of the positions.

01:55:21.000 You've got your own views, but it can be like, okay, I get where that person is coming from, or I get how that person believes that, or I get that.

01:55:28.000 And just that level of empathy is really what is needed.

01:55:32.000 I think it's really just about empathy.

01:55:33.000 It's about being able to understand that most people want the world to be a better place.

01:55:38.000 There aren't that many people who wake up every day thinking, alright, I want to make the world worse.

01:55:41.000 I want to make my life worse.

01:55:43.000 I want to make my family's worse.

01:55:44.000 Most people want to make stuff better.

01:55:45.000 People have different ideas on what will make things better.

01:55:50.000 But I think as long as people sort of extend that charity to other people and don't try to...

01:55:57.000 Consider things in the worst possible way.

01:55:59.000 If somebody says something, whether online or offline, don't try to interpret it in the worst possible way that you could or read some kind of malice into it that's not there.

01:56:08.000 Just understand that coming from a good place, you may disagree and then you can have that discussion and even if people don't change their minds, you at least understand other people better.

01:56:18.000 I think you're entirely right.

01:56:19.000 And I think the idea that we can get through this world existing in echo chambers and solve anything is ridiculous.

01:56:26.000 Yeah.

01:56:26.000 We have to communicate with each other.

01:56:28.000 Absolutely.

01:56:28.000 You know, I talked to someone and they said, this is a real weird conversation I had.

01:56:34.000 They were like, how do you talk to so many different people, people that you agree with and disagree with?

01:56:38.000 I go, well, I find things that I agree with even in people that I disagree with.

01:56:43.000 Yeah.

01:56:43.000 I try to find, like, common ground.

01:56:46.000 You know, it's like, is that old Sting song, The Russians Love Their Children Too?

01:56:50.000 You know?

01:56:51.000 I don't think I know.

01:56:52.000 It's an old song.

01:56:53.000 I thought of it for whatever reason.

01:56:56.000 But it's, there's, we all, you can find things.

01:57:02.000 That you agree with with people you can find common ground yeah morals and ethics and kindness and Communication compassion and camaraderie and friendship and we work out from there and try to figure out why does someone have these politically polarizing views?

01:57:17.000 Why does someone have this idea about that or this and let's figure out what the fuck the middle ground is and you know and Freedom was a big part of it, man.

01:57:27.000 And the more people are restricting people and the more people are trying to enforce their ideology on other people, the other side's going to dig their heels in.

01:57:36.000 And then you get this stance that we're at today.

01:57:39.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:57:40.000 I mean, one of my things, I mean, like I myself, you know, I believe in God.

01:57:42.000 I'm a Christian.

01:57:43.000 I always have been.

01:57:44.000 And one thing I often say is, I think, if you're taking something like religion, I always say, look, if someone says, I can't do such and such because it's against my religion, that's totally cool.

01:57:56.000 If you start saying, you can't do such and such because it's against my religion, that's when...

01:58:02.000 That line gets crossed, right?

01:58:05.000 When you start trying to force things down other people's throats and try to change all that.

01:58:12.000 And I think that's something that not everybody is there yet, but I think most people sort of implicitly understand that.

01:58:21.000 Okay, cool.

01:58:21.000 People can have all their different beliefs, their different ideas, or lack of belief, or whatever the case is.

01:58:28.000 But as long as you're not trying to I don't know.

01:58:59.000 Yeah.

01:58:59.000 And that's not primarily coming in the West anyway.

01:59:02.000 That's not generally coming from religious people now.

01:59:06.000 I'm not saying it's more of a political thing.

01:59:08.000 You know, like we were talking about some of these, some of this weird intersectional far left kind of stuff.

01:59:15.000 That's very much what they're doing now.

01:59:16.000 Even when you're talking about them ostracizing people or trying to cancel people or whatever, it's very much like, look, this is what we think, this is what we believe.

01:59:23.000 Yeah.

01:59:24.000 Anyone who doesn't, if you're not with us, you're against us and we're going to attack you, we're going to verbally demonize you, we're going to de-platform you, we're going to do all this.

01:59:33.000 And I'm like, look, that's a problem.

01:59:35.000 You can't be claiming to be tolerant and then you're treating people that way and you're talking about people that way.

01:59:42.000 All that's going to do is keep raising the temperature, right?

01:59:45.000 Well said.

01:59:45.000 You want to bring the temperature down, yeah.

01:59:46.000 Well said.

01:59:47.000 It's very important what you just said.

01:59:51.000 There's also a tremendous amount of unhealthy people.

01:59:55.000 Unhealthy emotionally, unhealthy physically, unhealthy in terms of their perspective and their ability to be objective about the world they live in and to be introspective about their own failings and shortcomings.

02:00:09.000 Treat people well.

02:00:10.000 I think if we all went through this life with that as our directive, let's treat people well.

02:00:16.000 I'm going to treat people well.

02:00:17.000 I'm going to be nice to people.

02:00:18.000 Try to be friendly as much as possible.

02:00:20.000 And try to do my best.

02:00:21.000 Yeah.

02:00:22.000 Do you know who Don Miguel Ruiz is?

02:00:26.000 I don't know.

02:00:27.000 The four agreements.

02:00:27.000 I think there's like five agreements now.

02:00:29.000 I don't think so.

02:00:31.000 See if you can pull up what the four agreements are.

02:00:34.000 It's be impeccable with your word.

02:00:37.000 Always do your best.

02:00:41.000 Why can I not remember them?

02:00:43.000 Pull them out, please.

02:00:45.000 You got it?

02:00:46.000 Here we go.

02:00:48.000 There we go.

02:00:49.000 Be impeccable with your word.

02:00:51.000 Don't take anything personally.

02:00:52.000 Don't make assumptions.

02:00:54.000 That's three.

02:00:55.000 That's three.

02:00:56.000 Where's the rest of them?

02:00:56.000 Go to all.

02:00:57.000 That's hilarious.

02:00:58.000 But there's more than that.

02:01:00.000 Be impeccable with your word.

02:01:01.000 Don't take anything personally.

02:01:02.000 Don't make assumptions.

02:01:03.000 Always do your best.

02:01:04.000 Always do your best is missing from that for whatever reason.

02:01:08.000 That's hilarious though that there's only three.

02:01:10.000 But that's Wikipedia. 0.99

02:01:11.000 Get the fuck out of Wikipedia. 0.98

02:01:12.000 Go to that. 0.95

02:01:13.000 Four Agreements.

02:01:14.000 The website right there.

02:01:15.000 Bam.

02:01:16.000 Okay, here you go.

02:01:17.000 It's a really good book.

02:01:18.000 And it's very interesting because it's very simple.

02:01:21.000 And they added a fifth one.

02:01:22.000 See?

02:01:22.000 Be impeccable with your word.

02:01:24.000 Don't take anything personally.

02:01:25.000 Don't make assumptions.

02:01:26.000 Always do your best.

02:01:27.000 But just those.

02:01:29.000 Be impeccable with your word.

02:01:31.000 Very important, right?

02:01:32.000 Say what you mean.

02:01:33.000 Mean what you say. 0.99

02:01:33.000 And if you fuck up, be honest about it. 0.99

02:01:36.000 Don't take anything personally. 0.99

02:01:37.000 That's very important.

02:01:38.000 And I've worked very hard to develop that myself.

02:01:42.000 that whether people saying things about me or whether it's something that goes wrong or someone fucked me over I try to take a deep breath, and I try to forgive them.

02:01:52.000 I really do.

02:01:53.000 I work hard at it.

02:01:54.000 Don't make assumptions.

02:01:55.000 That's another one.

02:01:56.000 Don't make assumptions.

02:01:58.000 There's no value in that.

02:02:00.000 And always doing your best.

02:02:01.000 Man, you can't go wrong if you always do your best.

02:02:04.000 It's one of the best things anybody could say in life.

02:02:06.000 And I think the other one, he's got a new one, is be skeptical, but be open to new information.

02:02:12.000 I think that's what it is.

02:02:13.000 Be skeptical, but learn to listen.

02:02:15.000 There it is.

02:02:16.000 Yeah, these are great.

02:02:17.000 So he added one because he realized, hmm, I need another agreement.

02:02:21.000 It's a really good, it's a very simple book.

02:02:23.000 It's not a super complicated book.

02:02:25.000 But those tenets, Ways to Live By, I mean, that is a great way for people, especially people that are secular, that don't believe in religion.

02:02:35.000 That is a good structure.

02:02:37.000 And I think that one of the things that religious people have an advantage in is that they do have a moral and ethical structure to live their life by.

02:02:44.000 And if you live your life by that...

02:02:46.000 Look, when I was young, I used to think there was something wrong with it.

02:02:49.000 I used to think, well, it's all fairy tales and nonsense.

02:02:51.000 Why would you believe in that?

02:02:52.000 And then as I got older, I realized, well, no, no, no.

02:02:54.000 If you just follow the tenets of it, like, that's a great ethical, moral structure to live your life by.

02:03:00.000 And I think there's great benefit in people.

02:03:03.000 And there's a lot of people that find tremendous benefit in living life with, you know, guidelines.

02:03:09.000 Guidelines on how to be kind to people.

02:03:11.000 As a Christian, if you try to somewhat live your life like Jesus, it's hard to go wrong.

02:03:16.000 How can you go wrong?

02:03:17.000 Even if someone doesn't believe in...

02:03:19.000 I would tell people, regardless of what you believe, you can't say that That guy's a bad example of a role model. 0.97

02:03:28.000 Yeah, no one says Jesus was a dick. 0.80

02:03:31.000 Help people, you know, be honest about the truth. 1.00

02:03:35.000 Right now, Jesus was a dick, right? 0.99

02:03:37.000 It's probably a t-shirt being destructive. 0.99

02:03:39.000 You know, as someone who's been listening to your podcast for a long time, actually, that's something that's, what you just said is something that I've noticed a change in, actually, over the years.

02:03:50.000 You know, going back and listening to some of the older ones where I think you were a lot more, How would I put it?

02:03:56.000 Not aggressive, but a lot less tolerant of, say, religion and religious viewpoints.

02:04:05.000 Yeah, guilty as charged.

02:04:06.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:04:07.000 And I think more recently over the years, it's been like, okay, I can get where that's coming from and what the value is and whatnot.

02:04:16.000 Well, I've experienced a great benefit from this podcast.

02:04:20.000 Yeah.

02:04:20.000 I know other people benefit from it, but I've experienced a great benefit in that I've been exposed to a lot of different points of view, different personalities, different intellects, and different brilliant human beings that have very different ideologies.

02:04:35.000 I've met brilliant people that I love and respect that have polar opposite ideas on how the world works, on both sides.

02:04:50.000 The various mechanisms that are at play with why people believe what they believe and how they benefit from believing that and what's the pros and cons.

02:05:00.000 And then I've just sort of opened my mind up much more to various viewpoints, financial viewpoints, political viewpoints.

02:05:10.000 And I've developed a much greater appreciation for the variety of opinions and ideas.

02:05:18.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:05:19.000 It's been awesome to see.

02:05:21.000 I've noticed it myself.

02:05:23.000 I've been like, ah, that's cool. 0.97

02:05:25.000 I realize how dumb I am about a lot of things. 0.90

02:05:29.000 I mean, if I had lived my life, like, I'm being honest, if I had lived my life without doing this podcast, I would probably be a far more ignorant person right now in the same place. 0.92

02:05:38.000 I feel like I've gotten not just great conversations and met great people like yourself and had a great time, but also I've been very privileged to have a tremendous education through all these people and for many of their books.

02:05:54.000 And right after you right now, Neil deGrasse Tyson's coming on.

02:05:57.000 That's awesome. 0.93

02:05:57.000 So I'm fucking pumped. 0.93

02:05:58.000 You can meet him. 0.97

02:05:59.000 He's in the green room. 0.89

02:06:00.000 Oh, sick.

02:06:00.000 Awesome.

02:06:03.000 Having these incredible people to share their knowledge and a lifetime of learning, you know, they can fill in blanks and educate you and point you in the right direction.

02:06:14.000 And also you can see the way their mind works.

02:06:17.000 And then there's guys like, you know, like David Goggins.

02:06:20.000 Oh, yeah.

02:06:20.000 Who just you realize like, oh, okay, there's levels to everything, man.

02:06:24.000 This fucking dude... 1.00

02:06:25.000 He will make you realize that you have more in the tank. 1.00

02:06:30.000 He will make you realize you can do more.

02:06:32.000 You can push more. 0.99

02:06:33.000 He fucking sends me text messages all the time. 0.98

02:06:36.000 He sent me one yesterday, and they just come out of the blue. 0.99

02:06:42.000 There's no rhyme or reason.

02:06:44.000 There's nothing going on.

02:06:46.000 No need to respond.

02:06:47.000 Hope all's well, brother.

02:06:48.000 Continue to live in the grip of life. 1.00

02:06:50.000 As you know, nothing gets done by being a bitch. 1.00

02:06:55.000 Stay hard, brother! 1.00

02:06:56.000 That's amazing.

02:06:57.000 That's David Cockett's.

02:06:58.000 Wow. 0.88

02:07:03.000 I'm not a bitch! 0.93

02:07:05.000 I'm gonna run! 1.00

02:07:06.000 I'm gonna go fucking lift! 0.99

02:07:07.000 Well, that's crazy, dude. 0.98

02:07:08.000 Like I said, I mean, it's all about potential, man.

02:07:10.000 And I love and I'm drawn to anybody who promotes potential and being and becoming I think that's part of why what you do here has been so successful and so inspirational to people all over the world.

02:07:24.000 Because you promote that.

02:07:27.000 You promote being your best.

02:07:29.000 You can be better.

02:07:29.000 You can be smarter.

02:07:30.000 You can learn more.

02:07:31.000 You can be stronger.

02:07:32.000 You can be wiser.

02:07:33.000 All of that.

02:07:34.000 Same thing with guys like Jordan Peterson.

02:07:36.000 I think so much of his success is it's like, look, you've got this potential.

02:07:40.000 You can...

02:07:41.000 You can do this, man.

02:07:42.000 And that's the same message I've always tried to put out through my music and everything that I do.

02:07:46.000 I want to inspire people.

02:07:47.000 I want to motivate people.

02:07:50.000 And I think it's so necessary right now.

02:07:52.000 It really is.

02:07:53.000 It's so necessary.

02:07:54.000 People are just floundering or spinning their wheels and just directionless.

02:08:00.000 And it's kind of...

02:08:01.000 Sad to see and it's just like, you know, we can all do so much more It is sad to see but there's also a light at the end of the tunnel because there's people like you out there There's there's people that are searching to improve themselves and they're honest about where they are right now and they're honest about their failings and shortcomings and they're also Telling other people about it,

02:08:20.000 which I think is so important because if someone sees you and you're a guy who's on the radio or television or maybe you're a rap star and you're killing it.

02:08:31.000 You're killing it.

02:08:32.000 They assume, oh, this guy is just... 0.99

02:08:34.000 He just is there.

02:08:35.000 He's just a winner.

02:08:36.000 He's just there.

02:08:37.000 You could tell people about your trials and tribulations, about your failings and shortcomings, about your thoughts and insecurities, about all the things that tripped you up and all the things that you learned that allowed you to advance and to be a better person.

02:08:52.000 That's what it's all about, like, all the time, every day.

02:08:55.000 It's about Learning how to be a better person, and there's no finish line, doesn't, I mean, even the fucking Dalai Lama, I don't know if you've been paying attention, but he got cancelled recently, did you know the Dalai Lama got cancelled? 0.63

02:09:05.000 Oh yeah, he said some slightly sexy stuff. 0.97

02:09:07.000 He's a fucking 80 year old man who was picked to be the Dalai Lama. 0.99

02:09:11.000 Said if it was going to be a female, they need to be attractive. 1.00

02:09:13.000 Because no one wants to look at an ugly face. 0.99

02:09:16.000 No one wants to look at his face. 0.99

02:09:18.000 He makes an ugly face like, dude, he's an 80-year-old human being. 0.97

02:09:22.000 That's what he is. 0.94

02:09:23.000 And he's also a guy who's never had a real job.

02:09:26.000 He's never had to perform.

02:09:27.000 I mean, there's...

02:09:29.000 There's a lot of people out there that can do better and they know they can do better and they just lack the tools and they lack the understanding.

02:09:39.000 And I think a person like yourself or hopefully me and certainly a lot of the people that I've had on the podcast, they can give people an example.

02:09:47.000 Yeah. 0.95

02:09:47.000 And they can say, oh, this guy used to be a loser, and he figured out how to not be. 0.95

02:09:52.000 I can do it. 0.98

02:09:52.000 Like, you look at Goggins. 0.98

02:09:53.000 He used to be 300 pounds of fat and eating milkshakes. 1.00

02:09:55.000 And then he becomes this fucking maniac who runs 100-mile races day after day. 0.99

02:10:00.000 You know, you can do something extraordinary with your life. 1.00

02:10:04.000 And you don't have to be the guy who pushes himself physically until you're almost dead.

02:10:07.000 And you don't have to be the guy that writes the most books.

02:10:10.000 But you can find your thing.

02:10:11.000 Whatever your thing is, whether it's just being a better father or a husband or a friend or better at your job or better at your craft, whatever it is, man, we can all be better.

02:10:23.000 We can all be better.

02:10:24.000 And that's how you make society better, the world better, right?

02:10:26.000 That's it.

02:10:26.000 Zuby, you're a good man.

02:10:27.000 Thank you, sir.

02:10:28.000 I appreciate it, Joe.

02:10:28.000 Thanks for being here.

02:10:29.000 Thank you so much, man.

02:10:29.000 And everybody...

02:10:31.000 This is available.

02:10:32.000 Yeah, Perseverance, my new album.

02:10:34.000 It's available right now.

02:10:35.000 It's available right now.

02:10:36.000 iTunes, Spotify, Google Play, everywhere.

02:10:38.000 Your podcast also.

02:10:40.000 Real Talk with Zuby is out right now.

02:10:41.000 I'm a subscriber.

02:10:42.000 And my book, Strong Advice.

02:10:44.000 You can get that at jointeamzuby.com.

02:10:46.000 All right.

02:10:46.000 Thank you, brother.

02:10:47.000 Appreciate it, man.

02:10:47.000 Thanks for being here.

02:10:48.000 Bye, everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience - September 04, 2019

Joe Rogan Experience #1346 - Zuby

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