The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1363 - Dakota Meyer

00:00:00.000 Ta-da! 1.00

00:00:04.000 What's up, Dakota?

00:00:04.000 What's going on?

00:00:05.000 We finally did this.

00:00:06.000 I know.

00:00:06.000 Finally, we've been talking about it.

00:00:08.000 I feel super connected to you, man, because all day I've been listening to you on Jocko's podcast.

00:00:14.000 First of all, anybody who really wants to know you in depth, in your element, talking with a fellow warrior, I strongly recommend that podcast.

00:00:24.000 For people who don't...

00:00:25.000 What number is it?

00:00:26.000 Do you know which number?

00:00:27.000 I don't know what number it is.

00:00:29.000 It's...

00:00:33.000 Jocko Podcast 115, Into the Fire, and Beyond the Call of Duty. 0.98

00:00:40.000 Jocko is a fucking beast, and you two together, talking about... 0.98

00:00:45.000 The incidents that happen with you overseas, it's insane. 1.00

00:00:51.000 I mean, I had to call a buddy of mine.

00:00:54.000 I had to stop the podcast and call my friend Brendan just to talk to him.

00:00:57.000 I was like, this is so intense.

00:01:00.000 It's like I was driving.

00:01:02.000 I was getting nervous, right? 0.99

00:01:04.000 Driving in my fucking Tesla, my little electric car. 0.99

00:01:08.000 I'm driving, my hands are sweating, and I'm breathing heavy. 1.00

00:01:10.000 I'm like, fuck! 0.99

00:01:12.000 Yeah, it was... 1.00

00:01:13.000 Well, if you hear all those, like, you know, when you're listening to that podcast, that was by far the most...

00:01:18.000 I mean, he, like, Jocko just pulled it out of me, like, right?

00:01:21.000 Like, you know, most everybody hits, like, the high points of it, but, you know, me and Jocko just made that connection.

00:01:26.000 It was the first time we'd ever met.

00:01:28.000 Oh, really?

00:01:28.000 Face-to-face, yeah.

00:01:29.000 We just went, like, you know, he actually picked me up from the airport, and we went there, and we sat down and did the podcast, and...

00:01:37.000 I don't know.

00:01:38.000 I think he knew the questions to ask because I think it was good for both of us.

00:01:42.000 Because, you know, if you got to the point kind of in the middle of it, if you start hearing those silences, it was both of us trying to keep from tears falling, right?

00:01:51.000 It was like that moment you're trying to...

00:01:53.000 We really connected and it was a tough podcast.

00:01:58.000 Well, you could tell because for Jocko, I mean, I listen to a lot of Jocko's podcasts, but that was one where he was really in his element.

00:02:05.000 First of all, it's very obvious he has a deep respect for you and who you are and what you stand for.

00:02:10.000 And then two, it brought him back to his own experiences and more.

00:02:13.000 And so the whole thing is just, it's one of the most intense podcasts I've ever listened to, if not the most intense.

00:02:20.000 Wow. 0.98

00:02:20.000 It's fucking heavy, man. 0.98

00:02:21.000 Yeah, it was heavy. 0.99

00:02:22.000 It was a hard one.

00:02:24.000 Like you said, I think we both...

00:02:27.000 I think Jocko was getting as much out of it as I was, right?

00:02:29.000 And I have the utmost respect for Jocko.

00:02:31.000 The guy is just...

00:02:32.000 He's the epitome of a warrior all around, from day in and day out.

00:02:38.000 I mean, he wakes up every day and lives...

00:02:40.000 The things that he says.

00:02:42.000 I mean, you know, he does what he says, and he lives it, and he puts people first, and he's just, I mean, he's one of the greatest guys I've ever met.

00:02:49.000 I agree.

00:02:50.000 I couldn't have said it better.

00:02:51.000 And Tim Kennedy as well.

00:02:52.000 You know, we're both friends with Tim, and that's the same thing.

00:02:55.000 It's a rare, rare human being, both of those guys.

00:02:58.000 It is, you know, and I think that's what, like, you know, that's what I'm so fortunate about.

00:03:01.000 It's like, I'm just...

00:03:02.000 I'm surrounded by just people like that, right?

00:03:06.000 I'm so fortunate to have a circle like that.

00:03:09.000 I think that that's what makes us who we are.

00:03:12.000 It's true.

00:03:13.000 The epitome is iron sharpens iron.

00:03:16.000 When you're surrounded by guys like Jocko and Tim Kennedy, you have no option.

00:03:22.000 Even if you're last in that group, you're still above average.

00:03:28.000 Well, there's a cliche, you know, that comes up when people talk about military, you know, that, you know, people will say things and sometimes it's hard to understand whether or not they grasp exactly what they're saying, but that people make sacrifices so that you could be free.

00:03:45.000 It's hard to truly internalize that without having experienced what you've experienced, what Jocko and Tim Kennedy have experienced.

00:03:52.000 When I'm listening to it, I know that it's correct.

00:03:56.000 I know that it's true.

00:03:57.000 I support it 100%, but it's almost like an alien thing to me because I've never experienced it.

00:04:02.000 So when hearing you guys talk about it and climbing inside your head for a bit and listening to you describe it, That cliché, the land of the free because of the brave, it gets highlighted where you understand, like, this is why America's not like it is in other places because of this strong military.

00:04:21.000 And one of the things you guys talked about in that podcast was this idea of us invading Afghanistan.

00:04:28.000 You were fighting alongside Afghans.

00:04:31.000 Absolutely.

00:04:32.000 And most people who talk about war will have this peripheral, sort of cursory understanding about what they would like the world to be like.

00:04:40.000 You know, that they would like no war, and that, oh, this is terrible, we shouldn't be over there.

00:04:44.000 They don't truly understand what you understand.

00:04:47.000 You know, they don't.

00:04:48.000 And I think, you know, the perspective that I get to come back, and I think all these guys telling their stories, you know, from Rob O'Neill to Marks Latrell, like, I think every warrior out there has to tell their story To make people understand, right?

00:05:02.000 Like, it's so important for that because we've got a perspective of the world that a lot of people don't get.

00:05:07.000 And, you know, I mean, I stood next to people that we couldn't, like, you talk about not believing, not being raised, not coming from the same place, not having, you know, we could have found every reason not to be on the same ground,

00:05:23.000 but we stood next to each other and were willing to die for each other.

00:05:27.000 We found, we chose to find the common denominator.

00:05:29.000 And that was because there's only two types of people in this world.

00:05:32.000 There's good and evil.

00:05:33.000 Yes.

00:05:34.000 It really comes down to that.

00:05:36.000 Like, war is so simple.

00:05:37.000 Life is so simple.

00:05:38.000 When you try to complicate it, there's other reasons.

00:05:40.000 And it's like, this whole thing, we were all over there fighting for the belief to be free.

00:05:48.000 This belief of democracy.

00:05:50.000 This belief of what we all live for.

00:05:53.000 And you can't see it.

00:05:55.000 But we live it every day, and we were willing to give our lives for people we didn't even know, people we didn't even meet.

00:06:01.000 One of the things you talked about with Jocko, you said you didn't just lose four brothers that day.

00:06:08.000 You lost ten because you lost six Afghani brothers as well.

00:06:12.000 Yeah, you know, the Afghans were as close to me as the Marines were.

00:06:16.000 You know, my team of Afghan soldiers, you know, I lived on a base.

00:06:20.000 It was four U.S. and 80 Afghans.

00:06:22.000 And every day I went out on patrol and I'm patrolling with them.

00:06:25.000 And they're no different than me and you.

00:06:28.000 You know, they just want a place I'll never forget that really hit home to me.

00:06:32.000 Is I had an afghan.

00:06:33.000 We were sitting up on the mountain.

00:06:35.000 Actually, the cover of my book, it was that day.

00:06:37.000 We were sitting on that mountain because we had chased some Taliban up that hill.

00:06:43.000 And we were sitting up there, and this afghan looked at me and he just said, I hope that someday you can bring your family here on vacation.

00:06:50.000 I hope that we can get it to that point.

00:06:53.000 Wow.

00:06:53.000 And it really hit home to me.

00:06:55.000 It's like, you know...

00:06:58.000 We're all just alike.

00:06:59.000 You know, we're all just alike.

00:07:01.000 We all just want to live a great life, and we all just want to get along.

00:07:04.000 I mean, if you don't get along, it's because you choose not to get along.

00:07:07.000 For people who don't understand the conflict in Afghanistan, explain what is happening and why we're over there.

00:07:14.000 Yeah, so, you know, basically Afghanistan, and it was the same thing in Iraq, too.

00:07:18.000 I mean, you know, that's where these terrorist organizations were, right?

00:07:21.000 And, you know, we're over there fighting alongside Afghanistan.

00:07:24.000 We're over there fighting alongside Iraq.

00:07:26.000 We're not fighting Iraq and fighting Afghanistan.

00:07:28.000 We're fighting alongside both of those countries and trying to rebuild it up and trying to get rid of these terrorist cells that are inside those countries, you know?

00:07:38.000 Like you said, I mean, everybody thinks that, you know, we're fighting Iraq and we're fighting Afghanistan, and it's not the case.

00:07:43.000 We're alongside them, helping them rebuild their countries.

00:07:46.000 You know, when you go to Black Rifle Coffee in Salt Lake, you know, those guys are awesome.

00:07:52.000 Awesome.

00:07:52.000 They brought a bunch of former Afghani troops over, and they work for them over there.

00:07:57.000 Like a lot of the guys working in the factory.

00:08:00.000 Yeah.

00:08:00.000 You're like, oh, okay.

00:08:02.000 These guys are so close to these people, they brought them back and gave them jobs.

00:08:07.000 Absolutely.

00:08:08.000 I just think most people don't really have a full picture of what's at stake and why it's even happening.

00:08:19.000 They just don't want war, right?

00:08:20.000 They just don't want war, but it's like, you know, I mean, there's no way.

00:08:25.000 I mean, you can go in your house and lock your doors and sit there and try to pretend that the evil that we fight doesn't exist, but it exists.

00:08:34.000 It exists.

00:08:35.000 It's there.

00:08:36.000 And if we don't go fight it over there, it's going to come here.

00:08:39.000 That's another cliche that seems alien to people.

00:08:43.000 It's a true statement.

00:08:46.000 It's always been true throughout human history.

00:08:48.000 But when you live in a country like America, we're so fortunate.

00:08:52.000 It's so awesome here.

00:08:54.000 Even when it sucks, it's awesome.

00:08:57.000 In comparison to the rest of the world, a It's very rare that you have a place where you really can start at the bottom and make your way up to be a successful person.

00:09:09.000 I mean literally you can start here and come from nothing and within your generation be the President of the United States.

00:09:17.000 We're good to go.

00:09:37.000 It's gonna be draining right and everybody's getting so emotional and fired up and yeah, and it's like, you know, like it's gonna be whatever But the cool part is is that this country like from all of us in the military from all our first responders our police officers You know,

00:09:52.000 we're the only country on the face of the planet that doesn't swear allegiance to a person We swear allegiance to a document to a piece of paper and And that's what allows us to be us.

00:10:03.000 That's what allows us to not have one person come in and be able to change up this idea that we have of democracy, of freedom.

00:10:11.000 And that's something that's just, it's incredible.

00:10:14.000 That's what keeps our country the way it is, right?

00:10:16.000 Like, there's not, you know, the people will always be in charge here.

00:10:20.000 And you know what?

00:10:21.000 Most of America, most, 99% of America is incredible.

00:10:25.000 It's incredible.

00:10:26.000 And you know what?

00:10:26.000 They're stopping and they're helping people and it's just the loud ones that make it look like it's all chaotic.

00:10:32.000 Well, people love to point out the horrible aspects and they love to ignore the good aspects.

00:10:39.000 They love to dwell on the bad parts.

00:10:41.000 And I think ultimately that's going to prove to be good for everybody because those people that are Highlighting all these bad things, then everybody else has to think about it, and we'll slowly but surely evolve and come to an understanding and make the world a better place.

00:10:55.000 It's a way better place now than it was 100 years ago or 200 years ago, and I think this is a – I mean, Steven Pinker talks about this all the time in his books, and he's criticized for it because a lot of people don't like the idea that things are getting better.

00:11:07.000 They want to I think the most important focal point if we want to have a good world is concentrate on the good aspects and how amazing it really is that we have this incredible ability to express ourselves,

00:11:27.000 this incredible ability to prosper.

00:11:30.000 I mean, people don't get the same share or the same stake in life.

00:11:35.000 A lot of people get a terrible opening hand of cards.

00:11:38.000 But you can improve.

00:11:40.000 And this is one of the rare places in the world where you can, if you're so inclined, if you have the discipline, if you can figure it out emotionally, if you can figure it out in terms of what you want to do in your life, you can live a healthy and successful life in this country.

00:11:56.000 It's possible.

00:11:56.000 It's 100%.

00:11:57.000 100%.

00:11:58.000 Like, nobody's holding you down, right?

00:12:00.000 Like, you have the choice to be able to do that.

00:12:02.000 You have the choice to go out.

00:12:04.000 Every opportunity is here.

00:12:05.000 Like, there's no other country that has more opportunities than the United States of America.

00:12:10.000 Especially, I mean, for anybody.

00:12:11.000 And I agree with you.

00:12:13.000 I think that this society has gotten into this...

00:12:17.000 We're good to go.

00:12:35.000 It's became entertainment.

00:12:37.000 Look at reality TV. People's messed up lives.

00:12:40.000 That's entertainment for people now.

00:12:42.000 Video games.

00:12:43.000 I talk about this all the time about war.

00:12:46.000 We came back and war has now been romanticized. 0.99

00:12:50.000 It's been romanticized that it's this cool image of like, I hear people say, I just want to go kick in doors and shoot people in the face.

00:12:56.000 And it's like, well, you've probably never done it then.

00:13:00.000 And it's like, we've got our kids playing video games of the stuff that keeps me awake at night.

00:13:07.000 And it's like, you know, at what point do we start humanizing these things?

00:13:11.000 When you see one of those crazy video games, those first-person shooters involved in war, does that bring back memories?

00:13:19.000 I mean, does it irritate you?

00:13:22.000 You know what?

00:13:24.000 You know, I think that what's not put out there is, you know, I hear kids talking about, hey, you know, did you use this or did you use this or did, you know, you hear people say, well, did you kill somebody, right?

00:13:37.000 It's like kids.

00:13:41.000 To me, that bothers me.

00:13:44.000 Because there's nothing cool about taking another human's life.

00:13:47.000 And when you're playing video games and it's like, oh, I got this many kills.

00:13:51.000 These kids are just watching this screen over and over.

00:13:54.000 And the more graphic it gets, the less desensitized that we have to another human being suffering.

00:14:03.000 Right, the more desensitized.

00:14:04.000 Yeah, desensitized, right?

00:14:05.000 Like, the more desensitized, and then you start, you know, the more the movies go, and the more, I mean, you know, I think that, like, we've just, like, we've pushed ourselves away from, you know, from being empathetic to, hey, these are real people.

00:14:21.000 These are real people's lives.

00:14:25.000 We've stopped looking at people and saying, this is someone's child.

00:14:30.000 This is someone's mother.

00:14:32.000 This is someone's son.

00:14:37.000 We've gotten away from that.

00:14:39.000 The old art that I was always told to live by is treat someone as you'd want to be treated yourself.

00:14:46.000 And if you were in those shoes, and every time I pass somebody, every time I see somebody suffering, I always look at that and be like, well, what would I want somebody to do if they see my daughter suffering?

00:14:57.000 Or my son suffering, right?

00:14:58.000 I mean, look at all these times that I see these people holding their video cameras up in their video and somebody, like, getting just beat.

00:15:06.000 And it's like, how do you do that and not help?

00:15:08.000 How does that not just suck everything out of you to not want to do something?

00:15:12.000 Yeah, there's a thing called diffusion of responsibility that happens to people in crowds, unfortunately.

00:15:18.000 And it's also the same thing that I think when you're filming something that's happening in real life is the same thing that you've seen in these video games and on television shows.

00:15:26.000 I mean, we have never had more violence in film form and in video game form ever.

00:15:35.000 Ever.

00:15:36.000 But yet we've never had less violence violence.

00:15:39.000 Like, how many people who play these games and have seen people get shot over and over and over and over again have never seen a body?

00:15:45.000 Never seen anybody get severely wounded or shot.

00:15:48.000 And so to them, getting shot and shooting people is always...

00:15:54.000 It's...

00:15:55.000 It's almost like empty.

00:15:56.000 It's like bang, bang, bang.

00:15:58.000 There's the guy.

00:15:58.000 He comes out of the budges.

00:15:59.000 Bang, bang, bang. 1.00

00:16:00.000 You shoot him. 1.00

00:16:00.000 Here comes this guy. 1.00

00:16:01.000 Bang, bang, bang. 1.00

00:16:01.000 You shoot him. 1.00

00:16:02.000 And it doesn't feel like anything. 0.98

00:16:03.000 And then you shut it off and you have a sandwich and you turn it on again.

00:16:05.000 You do it again.

00:16:06.000 So you're experiencing this thing that's empty.

00:16:10.000 It's like you're pretending to drink water, but there's nothing in the glass.

00:16:14.000 You just keep doing it over and over again.

00:16:15.000 And then you get some real water and you're like, oh, this is different.

00:16:19.000 Yeah.

00:16:20.000 This is different.

00:16:20.000 That's not even a good analogy.

00:16:21.000 That's a terrible analogy.

00:16:22.000 But the analogy of numbing, that people are numbed to this fake violence and have no experience with the real stuff.

00:16:30.000 So they think of the real stuff the same way they think of the fake stuff.

00:16:33.000 They do.

00:16:34.000 And sometimes when they see it, they still are numb.

00:16:37.000 They still can't act, right?

00:16:38.000 Right.

00:16:39.000 It's kind of like, imagine, the way I look at it is, you look at all these simulators, like flight simulators.

00:16:45.000 I mean, there's all this virtual reality, right, that people are using this for actually training.

00:16:50.000 And so, like, you don't think that it's the same way when you're doing this?

00:16:53.000 And then you've got games that come out like Grand Theft Auto.

00:16:55.000 Right.

00:16:56.000 Like, where you're just running around and you're... 0.99

00:16:58.000 Shooting hookers, running people over. 1.00

00:17:00.000 Shooting hookers and running. 1.00

00:17:01.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:17:01.000 Like, how does that... 1.00

00:17:03.000 How has anything positive come from that?

00:17:05.000 Right, right.

00:17:06.000 How is anything positive?

00:17:08.000 Yeah.

00:17:08.000 It's...

00:17:09.000 We're a weird culture.

00:17:11.000 And then...

00:17:11.000 Weird.

00:17:12.000 You could see all the violence you want.

00:17:14.000 Like, I watched John Wick 3 last night.

00:17:15.000 I finally finished it.

00:17:17.000 Jesus Christ. 1.00

00:17:18.000 Three quarters of the way through, I'm like, how many fucking people have they killed? 1.00

00:17:22.000 This is so ridiculous. 1.00

00:17:24.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:17:24.000 It's just a murder fest. 1.00

00:17:26.000 It's murder porn. 0.99

00:17:27.000 That's what it's like. 0.99

00:17:27.000 It's murder porn. 0.99

00:17:28.000 Isn't it? 0.98

00:17:29.000 Kinda?

00:17:30.000 Yeah.

00:17:30.000 But the crazy thing is, like, that kind of violence is unheard of.

00:17:35.000 But yet...

00:17:37.000 You don't show sex. 0.99

00:17:39.000 Like, you could show people's brains exploding. 1.00

00:17:42.000 But if you showed a girl's pussy and a penis going inside of it, people would... 1.00

00:17:45.000 Get that off the air! 1.00

00:17:48.000 To one thing that doesn't hurt anybody and that everybody wants.

00:17:51.000 That would be horrific to show.

00:17:53.000 Like, if you had a film with Brad Pitt and...

00:17:59.000 Give me a hot woman actress. 1.00

00:18:01.000 Jamie, you know hot women actresses. 1.00

00:18:03.000 Who's the one?

00:18:04.000 Scarlett Johansson.

00:18:04.000 Okay.

00:18:05.000 Scarlett Johansson and Brad Pitt have a sex scene and they actually fucking get after it. 0.99

00:18:09.000 Yeah. 0.96

00:18:10.000 And you see it and you see her feet up in the air and you'd be like, what are we watching?

00:18:15.000 Oh, yeah.

00:18:15.000 This is crazy.

00:18:16.000 But yet you could see Brad Pitt, spoiler alert, if you see that Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, is that the name of it? 1.00

00:18:22.000 He beats a woman to death, smashing her face against a mantle of a fucking fireplace. 1.00

00:18:27.000 And you're like, holy fuck! 1.00

00:18:30.000 That's okay. 1.00

00:18:31.000 That's okay.

00:18:32.000 That's okay. 1.00

00:18:32.000 But just fuck it. 1.00

00:18:34.000 And you're like, whoa! 1.00

00:18:37.000 That's fine.

00:18:38.000 That's fine.

00:18:39.000 But if you fucked Scarlett Johansson, you saw her asshole. 1.00

00:18:42.000 You'd be like, what? 1.00

00:18:43.000 I see her actual asshole. 1.00

00:18:45.000 This is crazy. 1.00

00:18:46.000 Get this up. 0.88

00:18:47.000 You should go to jail.

00:18:48.000 It's weird.

00:18:50.000 Things that everybody wants to do. 0.54

00:18:52.000 Like, we all want sex. 0.99

00:18:53.000 Everybody likes sex. 1.00

00:18:56.000 Nobody likes beating someone to death with their fucking head off a mantle. 1.00

00:19:00.000 I mean, that's a daughter, too. 1.00

00:19:02.000 That's somebody's daughter. 1.00

00:19:04.000 Fucking we're weird, bro. 1.00

00:19:05.000 We're so weird. 1.00

00:19:06.000 We are weird.

00:19:07.000 Yeah, when you look at it like that.

00:19:09.000 So weird.

00:19:09.000 We are so weird.

00:19:10.000 Do you know how outrageous it would be if Scarlett Johansson and Brad Pitt had an actual sex scene in a movie? 0.52

00:19:16.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:19:16.000 If they just fucked. 1.00

00:19:17.000 They said, listen, I like her. 1.00

00:19:18.000 She likes me.

00:19:19.000 Let's do this.

00:19:20.000 Yeah.

00:19:20.000 And she was like, let's do it.

00:19:22.000 Fuck it. 1.00

00:19:22.000 I'm ready to method act. 1.00

00:19:34.000 Yeah.

00:19:48.000 And everybody who saw it in the theater was angry.

00:19:51.000 All these critics were angry. 0.99

00:19:52.000 They're like, this is fucking outrageous! 0.99

00:19:54.000 This is terrible. 0.99

00:19:55.000 And it really killed his career.

00:19:57.000 I mean, it killed her career a little bit too, I think. 0.99

00:20:00.000 Definitely derailed it, but it fucking killed his career. 0.98

00:20:02.000 Everybody thought he's a creep after that. 0.98

00:20:05.000 It's weird!

00:20:06.000 A creep for something that everybody's done.

00:20:11.000 Right.

00:20:12.000 Meanwhile, everybody loves Keanu Reeves.

00:20:14.000 And he's like... 1.00

00:20:16.000 He's shooting people in the neck, in the asshole, in the face, in the eyeballs, in the mouth. 1.00

00:20:20.000 He's cutting them up and stabbing them and throwing them off motorcycles like, fuck! 1.00

00:20:25.000 That's okay, though. 1.00

00:20:26.000 That's okay.

00:20:27.000 But Vincent Gallo actually getting a legitimate blowjob. 0.99

00:20:30.000 That's outrageous. 0.99

00:20:32.000 That guy should be pulled out of Hollywood forever.

00:20:34.000 Done.

00:20:35.000 Done. 0.95

00:20:35.000 He's terrible. 0.95

00:20:35.000 Who wants a blowjob? 0.95

00:20:37.000 It's weird. 0.99

00:20:38.000 We get freaked out about watching people do something that everybody wants to do.

00:20:43.000 It's insane.

00:20:44.000 Very weird.

00:20:44.000 It's insane.

00:20:46.000 Yeah.

00:20:47.000 It's super weird.

00:20:49.000 That's funny.

00:20:50.000 What do you got, Jamie?

00:20:52.000 He produced, edited, directed cinematography of the video. 1.00

00:20:56.000 Yeah, it was his idea to get his dick sucked. 1.00

00:20:57.000 He made the whole thing. 1.00

00:20:59.000 I know!

00:21:00.000 He did make the whole thing. 0.96

00:21:01.000 Like a self-produced sex tape. 0.94

00:21:02.000 Try getting somebody else to do it. 1.00

00:21:04.000 Try getting somebody, like, hey, in this scene, how about she actually sucks my dick for real? 1.00

00:21:07.000 Oh, Vincent. 1.00

00:21:08.000 No, no, no, really.

00:21:09.000 Let's do this.

00:21:10.000 For real. 0.96

00:21:11.000 Everybody would be like, get the fuck out of here. 0.97

00:21:13.000 He probably had to film it and not let anybody know what was happening until after it was over. 0.97

00:21:17.000 The crazy thing is he talked her into it. 0.99

00:21:20.000 You imagine she'd be like, wait, what the fuck did you just say? 0.99

00:21:26.000 But he talked her into it and she went with it. 0.99

00:21:28.000 But that would be fine.

00:21:30.000 But, you know, there's a scene in Apocalypse Now...

00:21:33.000 Where there's a water buffalo and they kill the water buffalo with a machete.

00:21:37.000 They used a real water buffalo and a real machete.

00:21:39.000 They really killed the water buffalo for that scene. 0.94

00:21:42.000 Oh, and people went nuts, I bet.

00:21:44.000 They went nuts.

00:21:44.000 And they go nuts now.

00:21:45.000 When people find out about it now, they freak out.

00:21:47.000 Yeah, I wouldn't even post anything on my Instagram of hunting because PETA would just, like, people would just tell you, like, oh, we should hunt you. 0.99

00:21:56.000 We should shoot you with a bow and arrow. 1.00

00:21:58.000 I mean, you know, but they can go watch people get killed. 1.00

00:22:02.000 Mm-hmm.

00:22:03.000 No problem.

00:22:04.000 No problem.

00:22:05.000 Yeah, I very rarely post things.

00:22:07.000 I posted the first elk I ever shot with a bow.

00:22:09.000 I posted a picture of that because it's hard work, man.

00:22:12.000 It was hard for me to do.

00:22:13.000 I was proud of it.

00:22:14.000 It was difficult, and I was going to eat that elk for a year, and I did eat it.

00:22:18.000 And to me, that meant a lot to me.

00:22:20.000 This is how I'm getting my meat now.

00:22:21.000 This is my nutrition.

00:22:23.000 I'm going to feed my family with this. 0.98

00:22:24.000 But yeah, the comments are just ridiculous. 0.99

00:22:27.000 They're ridiculous, right? 1.00

00:22:27.000 They just go crazy. 1.00

00:22:29.000 But hey, you know...

00:22:30.000 That's their trip.

00:22:31.000 This is part of it.

00:22:32.000 Yeah, their trip is save the animals.

00:22:34.000 Everybody's got their own, it's interesting, like their own thing that gives them a sense of purpose that makes them feel like they're doing something that makes a difference and makes a change.

00:22:43.000 That matters.

00:22:43.000 Yeah, and for a lot of people it's that.

00:22:45.000 Like, stop eating eggs.

00:22:47.000 Yeah, stop eating eggs.

00:22:48.000 Okay.

00:22:49.000 Good luck with that. 1.00

00:22:51.000 My favorite is when they're rabid, fucking vicious, nasty vegans, and then like eight years later they give up. 1.00

00:22:57.000 They start eating fish, and the next thing you know they get hard-ons again. 1.00

00:23:01.000 It doesn't last. 0.62

00:23:04.000 It's so fucking hard to just eat only plants.

00:23:07.000 It's not the healthiest move for most people. 0.95

00:23:10.000 I mean, everybody varies biologically, but for most people, it's not the healthiest move.

00:23:15.000 But you know, you gotta give respect.

00:23:17.000 I mean, a vegan, that's discipline.

00:23:19.000 Yes!

00:23:19.000 That's discipline.

00:23:21.000 100%.

00:23:21.000 And I have friends that are vegan.

00:23:23.000 My friend John Joseph, he's legit as fuck. 0.98

00:23:25.000 He's been plant-based for more than 20 years. 0.99

00:23:29.000 I think more than that, right?

00:23:30.000 30 maybe even.

00:23:32.000 20 years.

00:23:32.000 Maybe 30 years.

00:23:33.000 He's an animal.

00:23:33.000 But for him, it's part of his discipline that helped him clean up.

00:23:37.000 He was addicted to drugs.

00:23:39.000 It helped him.

00:23:40.000 He's done 10 Ironmans, and then a bunch of half Ironmans as well.

00:23:46.000 So it's part of who he is as a man, his discipline.

00:23:50.000 And part of his discipline applies to his diet.

00:23:53.000 Yeah, being a vegan, that's something I couldn't do.

00:23:55.000 You could do it.

00:23:56.000 I'm sure you could.

00:23:57.000 You don't want to do it.

00:23:58.000 What you've done, you can probably do anything that people can do.

00:24:01.000 You know, the way I justify it is, I'm a vegetarian through secondhand sores.

00:24:07.000 Right, you're eating vegetarians.

00:24:08.000 Well, yeah, exactly.

00:24:09.000 Yeah.

00:24:09.000 So let's just do a secondhand source.

00:24:11.000 Yeah.

00:24:11.000 I don't think they count that.

00:24:13.000 It doesn't?

00:24:14.000 No, I don't think so.

00:24:15.000 You know, it's, I don't know, man.

00:24:17.000 It's one of those things where...

00:24:19.000 Even when I drink, it's from corn, right?

00:24:21.000 Anthony Bourdain used to get really angry about this.

00:24:23.000 And one of the things that he said was, this is a first world problem.

00:24:26.000 He's like, we are so fortunate that we have this problem.

00:24:30.000 And in other countries, they're just trying to get enough protein to feed their family.

00:24:33.000 They're just trying to get enough food to feed people.

00:24:36.000 You know, and he was, it wasn't like he was indifferent to animals, but he was deeply concerned about people.

00:24:43.000 You know, because of all his traveling, he had like a great deal of empathy for all these different people in these different cultures and their cuisine, and he had a tremendous amount of respect for it.

00:24:52.000 Like, he would talk about it like it was religious to him almost, you know?

00:24:55.000 Yeah, like, you know, when we would go into villages and eat, I mean, if they had meat, like, that was a big deal.

00:25:01.000 Like, if they brought meat out to you, then they, you know, that was a huge deal.

00:25:05.000 Yeah.

00:25:06.000 I mean, you look at it, and it's just like, gosh, you know, we...

00:25:10.000 We're over here complaining about stuff that most countries wish they had those problems.

00:25:15.000 90% of the stuff we're complaining about, most countries wish they had those problems, right?

00:25:20.000 But I get it.

00:25:21.000 The people don't want those problems to exist, too.

00:25:23.000 They want those problems to go away.

00:25:25.000 They want a utopia.

00:25:26.000 And the only way to build towards a utopia is to improve upon the problems that we have.

00:25:31.000 And we do have problems across the board.

00:25:33.000 But in comparison...

00:25:34.000 I would just love some perspective from people.

00:25:37.000 I would just love some...

00:25:38.000 And I think that would go a long way to help people have more happiness.

00:25:42.000 How do you wake up when all you do is focus on problems, right?

00:25:46.000 It's kind of like...

00:25:48.000 When you're working or you're at a job or you own a company, you're always just fixing, I call it putting out fires.

00:25:56.000 And if that's all you do is constantly put out fires, at what point do you become grateful?

00:26:00.000 At what point of the day do people stop and look around and they're grateful for what they have and they're appreciative of...

00:26:09.000 I had a guy tell me, when I was going through my divorce, I was a train wreck.

00:26:13.000 Just call Tim Kennedy and he'll tell you.

00:26:17.000 You know, I'll never forget a guy sat me down.

00:26:19.000 I was talking about all these problems and just nitpicking and fighting over the small stuff.

00:26:24.000 And I mean, literally just, well, she worded it this way and she needs to do it this way.

00:26:28.000 Like literally just every little thing.

00:26:30.000 And a guy finally sat me down and he looked at me and he goes, look, Dakota, he said, if you can make choices or decisions to change it, Then it's not a problem.

00:26:39.000 It's an inconvenience.

00:26:39.000 The day that you can't make a choice, you've got cancer, your kid's sick, or something like that, he goes, that's the day you've got problems.

00:26:46.000 Until then, you've just got inconveniences.

00:26:48.000 That's a great way to look at it.

00:26:49.000 Until then, you just got inconveniences, and I was like, you're right.

00:26:53.000 It's a great way to look at it because there's levels of problems, right?

00:26:56.000 There's insurmountable problems, cancer, injuries, things of that nature, car accidents, insurmountable.

00:27:02.000 And the thing is, I think I'm so fortunate to have gone through the experiences that I have because each one of them...

00:27:12.000 It's all perspective.

00:27:13.000 It changes my perspective on the way I look at things.

00:27:16.000 It changes the things that are important to me.

00:27:19.000 I always call it, everybody's got their lens of life.

00:27:21.000 And that lens of life, your lens of life looks different than mine.

00:27:24.000 Mine looks different than yours.

00:27:26.000 We all have our own lens of life.

00:27:28.000 And at the point, we get so focused and get into autopilot And it'll focus on, you know, it's kind of like your camera.

00:27:35.000 You pull it up and you got it on autofocus.

00:27:37.000 It never focuses on what you want it focused on, right?

00:27:39.000 Until you go back to the manual focus and you push where it's at.

00:27:42.000 And I feel like all these problems that we have are just made to, hey, we need to tighten our lens back up to focus on what really, really, really matters.

00:27:50.000 Yeah.

00:27:50.000 Well, I think sometimes people need to hear it from someone like you, or someone like Jocko.

00:27:56.000 The beautiful thing about these podcasts is that you get to hear people's perspective, and a lot of them are eye-opening.

00:28:04.000 They literally can change the world because they change the way you behave and you interact with people when you listen to it.

00:28:11.000 And that podcast that you did with Jocko when I was listening to it, it changed my whole day.

00:28:17.000 It changed how I was going to look at my day. 0.96

00:28:20.000 Instead of looking at my day like, oh, it's a normal day, I was thinking, God damn, I'm lucky. 0.99

00:28:26.000 God damn, I'm lucky. 0.99

00:28:27.000 And God damn, imagine experiencing what you... 0.99

00:28:30.000 And how old were you at the time? 0.99

00:28:32.000 I was 21. 21 years old.

00:28:34.000 Yeah.

00:28:34.000 And experiencing what you experienced in that insane firefight being locked down and...

00:28:41.000 I mean, how many guys did you wind up engaging with?

00:28:44.000 I don't know.

00:28:45.000 You know, I don't know.

00:28:47.000 I mean, every one day I got an opportunity with, right?

00:28:50.000 And it just, you know, it was just a...

00:28:53.000 It was so chaotic.

00:28:54.000 I think about it all the time, obviously.

00:28:59.000 It's something I could have never experienced.

00:29:01.000 I trained for war every single day when I was in the Marine Corps.

00:29:03.000 It was what my job was.

00:29:05.000 I still could have never imagined that day the way it was or anything to turn out.

00:29:09.000 I could have never pictured it.

00:29:12.000 I think every day it goes by, I think there's a reckoning of it.

00:29:15.000 The way that I've seen it that day is not the way I see it today.

00:29:19.000 And, um, I think that comes with, you know, just, just sharpening and just your body, you know, you change and you, you see different things in perspective, but yeah, I mean, you know, I, I, I, you know, that day, I mean, it's still, I mean,

00:29:35.000 it's still, it's just, you know, just, it's just, there's so many lessons that come from that day that, that, you know, I look at people complaining about stuff here in America and it's like, I've seen him one day, the best of humans, the worst of humans, and nobody thought they were wrong.

00:29:56.000 It's just one of those deals.

00:29:59.000 That day was just...

00:30:01.000 That's an important point, what you just said.

00:30:03.000 Nobody thought they were wrong.

00:30:05.000 Not them, not you.

00:30:06.000 Yeah, you know, I... And it changed me that day.

00:30:09.000 Like, I walked in there that day, and I was the guy who was cocky, who would tell you, you know, I love fighting.

00:30:16.000 You know what I mean?

00:30:17.000 Like, I... Like, I just want to go fight.

00:30:20.000 Like, you know, but every fight I had before that, it was like, you know, I always had airplanes sitting, you know, or helicopters sitting around.

00:30:27.000 I always had, you know, it was like, I'm going to go in there and start the fight and then I'm going to call in all this other stuff to win, right?

00:30:35.000 And that day it wasn't there and literally I walked out of there and I just think about all the time today, I just think about all the time of how many generations just that day were changed.

00:30:51.000 How many generations of people's lives were changed.

00:30:57.000 You know, all my teammates died, so they'll never have kids.

00:31:01.000 That generation stopped. 0.98

00:31:03.000 Their families forever existed.

00:31:05.000 So many lives were changed that day by that piece.

00:31:09.000 And guess what?

00:31:10.000 Everybody in America had no clue what was going on.

00:31:13.000 Like right now, there are US troops.

00:31:16.000 Somebody wondering if they're going to be able to come home and see their family again.

00:31:20.000 That's reality.

00:31:22.000 Whether you want to ignore it or not, that's reality.

00:31:26.000 And that was me, September 8, 2009. And it was just a chaotic day.

00:31:35.000 It's amazing how you could have thousands of days in your life and one day changes the way you look at everything.

00:31:45.000 One day changes the way you look at everything.

00:31:48.000 And you know, the further I go on, I look at it different.

00:31:51.000 I always talk about this story of...

00:31:54.000 You know, whenever this guy came up behind me and I ended up killing him with a rock.

00:32:03.000 And...

00:32:05.000 I always remember just like I remember it like I see it every night like I remember like I just see his face and I got just because there was a point There's a point that I feel like that anybody that when they whether they're injured or Anything like they realize they're defeated like they like it like I don't know I just think there's a point when you look at somebody and they know they're gonna die and I'll never forget that and I you know now I look at it and I see it and I always think that like This

00:32:35.000 guy is a son to somebody.

00:32:38.000 His mother and father are gonna miss him.

00:32:42.000 This guy...

00:32:44.000 He believes in his cause as much as I do.

00:32:48.000 He doesn't believe he's wrong.

00:32:51.000 This guy...

00:32:52.000 This guy...

00:32:54.000 He...

00:32:56.000 He could have had a wife or kids that are never going to see their father again.

00:33:00.000 Just like, you know, my dad might have never seen me again if it was switched.

00:33:05.000 And really, I don't even know.

00:33:07.000 I don't hate him.

00:33:09.000 I don't even know this guy.

00:33:12.000 We're just here at this place right now because we were born in two different countries.

00:33:17.000 Were you out of weapons?

00:33:18.000 Were you out of ammo?

00:33:20.000 No, he came up and he started choking me.

00:33:24.000 I had shot him once before, and I was trying to pick my buddy Dada Ali.

00:33:29.000 One of my closest Afghans, Dada Ali, had been shot.

00:33:32.000 He had been killed, and I came around this terrace to get him, and I was on my knee, and this guy came up behind me.

00:33:40.000 So he didn't have a weapon either?

00:33:41.000 No, he did. 0.87

00:33:42.000 He had a weapon, and I ended up shooting him from the ground.

00:33:45.000 I thought he was dead when he fell on the ground and I kind of moved down and got down with Dada Lee because we I was still getting shot at from this machine gun up on this hill and I was trying to make myself small as I could and This guy ends up coming up and choking me like I thought he was I thought he was dead and he ends up choking me out he starts trying to choke me out and Eventually let up a little bit and I end up getting around him and I just got we were fighting back and forth and I can remember all I was thinking about was like don't let his legs get on me

00:34:16.000 like you know these guys their legs are I mean they've been crawling up mountains her whole life and he was a he was a pretty big dude and I I just remember getting on top of him finally got on top of him and I was rolling on top of him he didn't have all the gear on I did and I remember getting on top of him like I was straddling him and I'm just reaching up trying to grab for anything I can and I'm holding him and holding him down with my forearm and I'm just grabbing anything I can and finally I ended up grabbing a rock and I just

00:34:46.000 started beating this dude's face in and I started beating and beating and beating and I remember just like Finally like after hitting him, you know, I don't know three or four times four or five times whatever I Remember him like finally just kind of looking at me and like just it's it's like he's like just I'm just looking him in the eyes like obviously closer than me to you right now and You just see all the you can tell like he knows where this is going And I always think about that,

00:35:12.000 you know? 0.99

00:35:13.000 Obviously, I would kill him a million times over again, right? 1.00

00:35:15.000 He was the enemy. 0.99

00:35:17.000 Like, I don't feel bad about that part of it.

00:35:19.000 But I just think about, like, in that moment, if I can find a way to relate to him in that moment, a man I'm taking his life, we all in America can find a way to connect with each other.

00:35:34.000 If we don't connect with each other, it's because we choose not to.

00:35:38.000 I don't care what your differences are.

00:35:41.000 Like, don't, like, find a reason of why we can get along, not why we should not get along.

00:35:46.000 And I always think about that moment, you know, of this guy and, you know, he obviously ended up dying.

00:35:53.000 And what it showed me was, is that no cause that you have that's built on hate will survive.

00:36:01.000 I didn't hate this guy.

00:36:03.000 I didn't even know him.

00:36:04.000 But I was willing to take his life because of what I loved.

00:36:11.000 And that's what we have to build our lives and our foundation on, is not being angry and hating each other, but because we love the cause that we believe in so much.

00:36:24.000 Does that make sense?

00:36:26.000 It does make sense.

00:36:26.000 I understand what you're saying.

00:36:28.000 The way they look at it in Afghanistan, this...

00:36:31.000 So it's...

00:36:32.000 Is it Al-Qaeda or the Taliban?

00:36:36.000 Yeah.

00:36:36.000 So Al-Qaeda is mainly in...

00:36:39.000 So Al-Qaeda was in Iraq.

00:36:40.000 So Al-Qaeda is the issue that's in Iraq, and the Taliban is the issue that's in Afghanistan.

00:36:46.000 And the Taliban, what are they trying to do?

00:36:49.000 Are they trying to run a religious caliphate?

00:36:51.000 Yeah, I mean, they just want...

00:36:52.000 They want to run it the way that they want to, right?

00:36:55.000 Like, they want to...

00:36:55.000 They don't want...

00:36:56.000 They don't believe in, you know, women being educated. 0.92

00:36:59.000 I mean, they don't believe in any...

00:37:01.000 Like, they don't believe in, you know, they go back to their beliefs of, you know, it's driven by religion, of all that control.

00:37:09.000 They want the control.

00:37:10.000 And how much support do they have from the general population?

00:37:14.000 I mean, I think, not necessarily the support, because I think that it's not necessarily the support, it's the power that they have, right?

00:37:23.000 Like, they come in and they lead with a heavy hand, right?

00:37:26.000 I mean, there's these, they don't, these, these, these, the locals run the place.

00:37:33.000 But the Taliban is kind of like, look at it like a gang, right?

00:37:36.000 Like kind of like a mob or like the Taliban is kind of like the cartel, right? 0.58

00:37:47.000 And so that's where they come from and they try to lead with violence and same thing that you would see with the cartel.

00:37:55.000 Taliban is kind of like a big cartel.

00:37:57.000 And so the general population, they would like that to not be the case.

00:38:02.000 Yeah, I mean...

00:38:02.000 They want a system of democracy similar to what we have?

00:38:06.000 I mean, I don't know that they want that, but I don't think...

00:38:08.000 They want something better than what they have.

00:38:09.000 Of course.

00:38:10.000 I mean, I think they all see that they live in shitholes, right?

00:38:13.000 They all see...

00:38:14.000 I think that they know how it could be better and how life could be better, you know?

00:38:22.000 Yeah.

00:38:23.000 The cool thing about America is that we know what freedom is.

00:38:26.000 And I promise you this, like, you want to have all the differences stop.

00:38:29.000 If anybody ever invaded us, I mean, people don't want to give anything up.

00:38:33.000 So they would all start fighting.

00:38:34.000 Everybody would get on the same page and start fighting if anybody tried to come to America because nobody would want to give up their stuff.

00:38:39.000 Well, post 9-11.

00:38:40.000 Do you remember that?

00:38:41.000 You were a younger guy.

00:38:42.000 How old were you at 9-11?

00:38:44.000 I was in the 8th grade, and I always say I would never wish for another 9-11, but I would give anything for a 9-12.

00:38:50.000 Hmm.

00:38:52.000 I would give anything for a 9-12.

00:38:54.000 It was crazy.

00:38:56.000 People were friendly.

00:38:58.000 People were letting people in in traffic.

00:39:03.000 American flags were everywhere.

00:39:05.000 Everywhere.

00:39:06.000 People were proud of America.

00:39:07.000 It was crazy.

00:39:09.000 It was crazy how on NSYNC everybody was.

00:39:13.000 It's hard for people who weren't there on those days to understand the mood of the country.

00:39:18.000 It was a different world.

00:39:20.000 People were patriotic.

00:39:22.000 Everybody was.

00:39:25.000 I don't necessarily remember what it was like before the day of 9-11, so I don't have much perspective on that, but I do remember 9-12.

00:39:33.000 I remember...

00:39:35.000 I mean, everybody was proud to be Americans.

00:39:37.000 I mean, everybody was.

00:39:39.000 Everybody was proud of our country and who we are.

00:39:42.000 It was like a switch had turned.

00:39:43.000 It was.

00:39:44.000 And isn't that the way it goes, though?

00:39:46.000 When something tragic happens, isn't that the way it goes?

00:39:50.000 We refocus on what really matters.

00:39:52.000 All these differences go away, but we come back to what matters.

00:39:56.000 Well, that's something that a lot of people who experience war...

00:39:59.000 have said that this is where they felt the most connected because their life was literally in danger and because they knew because they had lost loved ones to this thing they had lost brothers to this thing that this was real and that to this day that is the most exciting and happiest time of their life because they were so connected Sebastian Junger wrote about this in a movie book Tribe yeah have you read it?

00:40:24.000 I haven't read it.

00:40:24.000 It's very good and it probably would speak to a lot of the exact same things that you say But you know, I find the same thing, not the same thing, obviously, because my life's not in danger.

00:40:37.000 And I hope that I never have to go a day where my life's in danger again.

00:40:40.000 And I find the same appreciation back here in a country that...

00:40:46.000 That I love.

00:40:48.000 I can...

00:40:49.000 You know, I narrowed it down because I had to come up with a reason of, like, why, you know...

00:40:53.000 I mean, it's hard to sit here and watch the valleys that you fought for and then the government go and give those valleys back to the Taliban, you know?

00:40:59.000 There's this one video me and my buddy were laughing about the other day.

00:41:04.000 A base that he had been on and he shows me this video and it's, like, literally the treadmills that were in the gym there.

00:41:10.000 It's a Taliban guy running on our treadmills, right? 1.00

00:41:13.000 Like, they had left it there.

00:41:14.000 And we're just like...

00:41:15.000 Whoa.

00:41:16.000 And I always think about, because if you get down in the weeds of it, you'll get upset about that valley.

00:41:27.000 Did my teammates' sacrifice really change your life?

00:41:31.000 If they hadn't sacrificed that day, would your life be changed?

00:41:34.000 Because that's what we're fighting for is America.

00:41:38.000 I always looked at it like this, and I came to peace with it.

00:41:42.000 All we were trying to do, anywhere we went when I served and I wore the nation's cloth, I got the best opportunity.

00:41:49.000 When people thank me for my service, I'm like, don't thank me.

00:41:52.000 I appreciate you letting me represent America, be the away team for the United States of America.

00:41:57.000 I got to wear the nation's cloth in so many countries.

00:42:02.000 But I always...

00:42:05.000 I justify it as all we tried to do, no matter whether we were passing out soccer balls to kids, or we were going in and providing security for a whale, or we were taking out an enemy combatant, all we were trying to do was make that part of the world that we were in a better place.

00:42:20.000 That's all we were trying to do.

00:42:21.000 We're trying to leave it better than we found it that moment.

00:42:25.000 And if we take that same concept and we apply it here, And we all go over and do it for the person on the left and the right of us.

00:42:33.000 And if we use that same concept, you can apply it here in America every day.

00:42:39.000 Every single day, you can make this world just a little bit better.

00:42:44.000 There's a lot of people in this country that don't think we should be nation-building in other countries.

00:42:50.000 Including people like Tulsi Gabbard, who served, but then you got people like Dan Crenshaw, who I've had on the podcast, who, his perspective is, you have to go over there.

00:43:03.000 Like, you can't allow these groups to get more powerful and gain more control.

00:43:09.000 You just can't.

00:43:09.000 You can't.

00:43:10.000 You can't.

00:43:11.000 And if not us, then who?

00:43:13.000 And the thing is, is America's a beacon of hope across the world.

00:43:18.000 America's a beacon of hope.

00:43:20.000 And you can notice when America's strong, everybody hates us.

00:43:29.000 When America's weak, the world suffers.

00:43:32.000 And I'm not saying we need to go in and fight everybody's battle, obviously, right?

00:43:37.000 But on the backside of it, you know, we're not necessarily going in and fighting for other countries, but we do have an obligation to go and help People.

00:43:48.000 Like you take Syria when they are gassing. 0.98

00:43:51.000 When they are gassing kids and women. 0.97

00:43:58.000 If nobody else is going to go send rockets in there, if nobody else is going to go hold somebody accountable for it, there's nobody that's serving, that's wearing the uniform, that's not gladly gassing.

00:44:09.000 Doing that and gonna go hold them accountable for it has nothing to do with anything other than good and evil and If we don't go fight the evil then who's gonna do it?

00:44:21.000 Who's gonna do it?

00:44:23.000 And we don't want the evil to get bigger You don't want the evil to get bigger You don't want the evil to to to progress and you don't want the evil to to think that they can I mean imagine you see what they're doing right now and and I think the world knows that that America will come and show up and And you see how they're still going.

00:44:40.000 Imagine if they didn't have to worry about us doing it.

00:44:44.000 Imagine what they would look like.

00:44:49.000 I think you can imagine better than most. 0.99

00:44:51.000 That's part of the problem is that when you're in Catlabasus, You know, going to the mall, you know, getting yourself a fucking smoothie. 0.97

00:45:01.000 It doesn't seem real. 0.92

00:45:02.000 You know, and you can have all these opinions about what we should be doing, you know, and that we need to stop these warmongers, we need to stop this and stop that.

00:45:12.000 And I've had those opinions myself in the past and gone back and forth.

00:45:17.000 And the only thing that's changed my mind is I listen to people that actually know.

00:45:22.000 I think it's one of the most important things you could ever do.

00:45:24.000 And don't try to form an opinion if you don't really have any facts or any real understanding.

00:45:29.000 I've done that in the past too.

00:45:30.000 I've made those mistakes.

00:45:32.000 I can tell you this.

00:45:35.000 You look at 9-11.

00:45:38.000 Thousands of people died and none of them volunteered.

00:45:42.000 To give their country for their life that day, except obviously the first responders.

00:45:47.000 You look since 9-11, besides a couple attacks that's been in America, but you look since 9-11, everybody that's given their life overseas has volunteered to do that.

00:45:59.000 They volunteered to go fight the evil.

00:46:03.000 And for us to go over there and do that and keep it off the country, to keep it out of our country, to keep it to where our kids and our families and our mothers and fathers don't have to worry about this. 0.56

00:46:16.000 I mean, obviously it could happen anywhere, but I can't think that us being over there and giving them a place to fight us Has not helped this country keep from being attacked multiple times if we had not gone over there.

00:46:33.000 That's a hard pill for people to swallow, right?

00:46:35.000 They don't want to think that.

00:46:37.000 They want to think the reason why they would attack us is because we're over there.

00:46:41.000 Yeah.

00:46:41.000 Well, you know what?

00:46:42.000 I mean, why did we get attacked on 9-11?

00:46:47.000 That's a good question.

00:46:49.000 These people hate us just because they hate us.

00:46:54.000 There was that one worker that said, oh, we should go over there and get them more jobs and more opportunities. 0.98

00:47:00.000 No, these people don't care.

00:47:02.000 These people wake up every day and try to think of a way to kill us.

00:47:07.000 There's no negotiating with these people. 1.00

00:47:10.000 These people are evil.

00:47:11.000 These people will do nasty things to human beings that you couldn't even imagine, you couldn't make a video game about. 0.68

00:47:19.000 You look at some of this ISIS stuff of what they're doing. 0.89

00:47:23.000 I mean, putting somebody in a cage and burning them?

00:47:28.000 You want to be empathetic to that? 0.95

00:47:31.000 Throwing people because of their sexual preference off the top, tying their hands and legs together and throwing them off the top of a building?

00:47:40.000 These are the type of people that, this is the type of evil that we're going after.

00:47:47.000 And if we don't do it, who's going to do it?

00:47:50.000 Who's going to do it?

00:47:53.000 Do you think it's possible that this all could be resolved someday?

00:47:58.000 Maybe if it's not our children, our children's children, do you think it's possible?

00:48:02.000 Nope.

00:48:04.000 Everybody says that.

00:48:06.000 That's one of the most disheartening things about any kind of conflict.

00:48:10.000 But I mean, if you look at any of the books that came before us, this is what you get.

00:48:18.000 This is just part of any, at any point in time there's conflict going on.

00:48:25.000 It'll never be resolved.

00:48:27.000 It'll never be resolved.

00:48:29.000 It will never be resolved.

00:48:32.000 So it's like a maintenance program.

00:48:39.000 It's hard for people to swallow, right?

00:48:40.000 Because people want to think that the reason why it'll never be resolved is because the military-industrial complex wants to keep us at war and this is just a big money grab and that's all they're trying to do is the reason why they have us over there is they're sending people over there to die so they can make money.

00:48:55.000 This is how people love to look at it.

00:48:59.000 I think it's just because everybody wants to find a reason.

00:49:03.000 Everybody wants a reason that they can touch, feel, and blame.

00:49:10.000 They want something to blame.

00:49:13.000 And they...

00:49:17.000 You know, there's nothing to blame except the people who are doing this.

00:49:22.000 And it exists.

00:49:23.000 And it's real.

00:49:24.000 And these are real people.

00:49:26.000 And you know what?

00:49:26.000 We're just so lucky that we have an all-volunteer military with some of the greatest people that's ever walked the face of the planet who are willing to go do this.

00:49:34.000 Who are willing to do it on mining your behalf.

00:49:37.000 I mean, how cool is that?

00:49:41.000 It's pretty wild when you think about it, right?

00:49:43.000 Because it's a complete volunteer army.

00:49:46.000 Volunteer.

00:49:46.000 Complete volunteer military.

00:49:48.000 These people are willing to raise their right hand to a piece of paper, to an idea of democracy.

00:49:58.000 Go over.

00:49:59.000 They put their whole life on hold.

00:50:01.000 Their wives sacrifice.

00:50:04.000 I mean, you take military spouses.

00:50:07.000 And they sacrifice, if not more than the veterans and the service members.

00:50:15.000 And they're willing to go over and fight for mining your freedom.

00:50:21.000 They've never met us, but they're willing to give their lives for it.

00:50:25.000 Think about this.

00:50:26.000 I challenge people who are listening to this.

00:50:29.000 Can you name one thing right now that you're willing to give your life for?

00:50:35.000 Think about that.

00:50:37.000 What would you give your life for right now?

00:50:40.000 Somebody pulled a gun out. 0.88

00:50:43.000 You know you're going to die.

00:50:44.000 What would you give your life for?

00:50:45.000 I mean, these people are willing to go do it on the idea of democracy, on the idea of me and you, on the idea of good.

00:50:54.000 It's incredible.

00:50:55.000 It is incredible.

00:50:59.000 When you signed up, how old were you?

00:51:01.000 17. You were 17. Wow.

00:51:03.000 I had my 18th birthday in boot camp. 0.99

00:51:05.000 No shit. 0.99

00:51:06.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:51:07.000 Wow.

00:51:07.000 So you can do that?

00:51:08.000 I thought you had to be 18. No.

00:51:11.000 I graduated high school at 17 and my dad signed for me.

00:51:14.000 Oh, someone can sign for you.

00:51:16.000 Yeah.

00:51:16.000 Wow.

00:51:18.000 And did you have any other aspirations or was that something that you knew you were going to do?

00:51:23.000 Honestly, a Marine recruiter told me I'd never make it as a Marine.

00:51:27.000 What? 0.98

00:51:28.000 Boy, was he fucking wrong. 0.99

00:51:31.000 He told me I was walking through my lunchroom. 0.98

00:51:33.000 I don't have any cool stories like, oh, I woke up and knew I was going to be a Marine.

00:51:37.000 I was walking through the lunchroom and this Marine recruiter was there.

00:51:41.000 I started asking him a lot of smart-aleck questions and just being a typical high school student.

00:51:46.000 And he's like, look, you're wasting my time.

00:51:48.000 You'd never make it as a Marine.

00:51:50.000 And, you know, look, I was up for the challenge, so I signed up.

00:51:54.000 So him saying that was what really stirred him?

00:51:57.000 Yeah, that was it.

00:51:58.000 Wow.

00:51:58.000 I didn't even really know what the Marine Corps was before that.

00:52:01.000 Really?

00:52:01.000 Yeah.

00:52:03.000 What did you think you were signing up for?

00:52:06.000 You know, I just told him I wanted to go fight.

00:52:08.000 Wow.

00:52:08.000 Yeah.

00:52:09.000 Yeah, holy smokes.

00:52:11.000 You know, but you think about that.

00:52:14.000 Like, our whole life is built off decisions.

00:52:17.000 You know, our decisions, our control.

00:52:19.000 We are today where we deserve to be because we made the decisions up to this point.

00:52:28.000 And that's a hard pill to swallow, too.

00:52:30.000 Yeah, it's variable, right?

00:52:31.000 There's some things that are out of your control.

00:52:33.000 There are, but...

00:52:34.000 But a lot of it.

00:52:35.000 But a lot of it.

00:52:36.000 You can't control situations and circumstances, but you can control how you take it.

00:52:42.000 You can control your response.

00:52:44.000 You can control your response.

00:52:46.000 Growing up like that, I mean, you're growing up in combat.

00:52:50.000 You're growing up at 18 years old. 0.99

00:52:52.000 I mean, I was a fucking baby when I was 18. You're growing up in combat. 1.00

00:52:57.000 I did, yeah.

00:52:58.000 I guess if you look at it like that, yeah.

00:53:01.000 And you are here now 10 years after what we were talking about.

00:53:07.000 Yeah.

00:53:08.000 And you said it still keeps you up.

00:53:12.000 Yeah, I mean, I wake up, you know, a couple nights a month and just, you know, an anxiety attack, throwing up.

00:53:21.000 I was actually speaking last week.

00:53:23.000 I was on the road.

00:53:23.000 It's the first time, you know, I always, like, I'm always nervous.

00:53:25.000 Like, if in the middle of the night my daughter gets scared or she, you know, she comes down and gets in my bed, like, I'm always really, like, nervous about that because, like, I don't, I would, like, I was so nervous about it because I was just, gosh, I never want them to see me in that state,

00:53:41.000 right?

00:53:42.000 The other day we were on the road.

00:53:44.000 I was speaking out in North Carolina.

00:53:48.000 We were in a hotel, so she was staying with me.

00:53:51.000 I don't know.

00:53:52.000 I didn't feel good that night, so what I did is I put a pillow between us.

00:53:58.000 Gosh, I had one.

00:53:59.000 I knocked my tooth off.

00:54:00.000 I knocked my veneer off.

00:54:02.000 It was so terrible.

00:54:04.000 She just looked at me.

00:54:05.000 She's three.

00:54:06.000 She just looked at me and said, It's okay, Daddy.

00:54:08.000 You're not a bad dad.

00:54:11.000 At three.

00:54:12.000 At three.

00:54:13.000 And I was like, gosh, you know?

00:54:17.000 But yeah, I mean, you still...

00:54:19.000 I mean, this is...

00:54:20.000 That's why you look at it and I see these people who play these video games and they get nothing from it.

00:54:25.000 Like, there's no emotional attachment to it.

00:54:27.000 And it's like...

00:54:30.000 This stuff's real.

00:54:32.000 There's nobody who...

00:54:34.000 I would go out on a limb and say there's nobody who sees this stuff and you don't come back and deal with it.

00:54:43.000 It's a normal process to being part of not normal situations.

00:54:50.000 What kind of resources are available to you when you do come back?

00:54:54.000 How do they treat people that are suffering from PTSD and Well, you've got to be careful with it, right?

00:55:00.000 Because, I mean, the last track you want to get on is all the pharmaceutical drugs, right?

00:55:07.000 Like the pills and stuff.

00:55:09.000 And you'll get on that real quick.

00:55:11.000 The VA is notorious for it.

00:55:12.000 So, you know, we...

00:55:14.000 What do they try to give you?

00:55:16.000 I mean, I... Cullodopin, Xanax.

00:55:19.000 I've been on tons of blood pressure medicine.

00:55:20.000 I mean, you go down the list, right?

00:55:23.000 And...

00:55:25.000 I went down that road and it got me nowhere.

00:55:32.000 But now, there's tons of non-profits out there who are doing a lot of great stuff, trying to help out.

00:55:40.000 One thing that we found out, and actually studies are starting to show that this helps, is it's called a stellagangling block.

00:55:49.000 It's called SGB. It's a stellagangling block.

00:55:54.000 You get a shot. 1.00

00:55:55.000 It goes in your neck. 1.00

00:55:58.000 I'll tell you this. 0.98

00:55:59.000 When I got that shot...

00:56:03.000 Before the needle came out of my neck, Dr. Sean Mulvaney is the guy that's putting all this together.

00:56:09.000 When the needle came out of my neck, it instantly took me from being like my whole life was downtown New York City in rush hour traffic, 15 minutes late to a meeting that my life depended on, to instantly being driving down a quiet country road with nowhere to be.

00:56:26.000 Really?

00:56:26.000 Instantly.

00:56:27.000 What is it doing?

00:56:28.000 So basically what it does is, this is how it was described to me, and you have like two systems.

00:56:34.000 You have like your automatic nervous system and then you have your manual, right?

00:56:38.000 So your automatic is like your eyes blinking, breathing, things like that.

00:56:43.000 Your manual is like, hey, I need to reach over here and grab this bottle of water.

00:56:46.000 And what happens is, is fight or flight gets stuck in your automated, like there's no longer do you say, I recognize this as a threat and now I go into fight or flight.

00:56:55.000 So what it does is you've been in that so long that it gets put over into the automatic side.

00:57:01.000 And so what this does is it's kind of like a restart.

00:57:05.000 There's nothing that lasts long in it.

00:57:07.000 It goes in and it basically, I think it gets on, it's called the sciatic nerve, and it basically gives you a restart.

00:57:16.000 And it just took away all my anxiety.

00:57:18.000 I mean, it just instantly...

00:57:22.000 Like, just melted it away.

00:57:23.000 How long does it last?

00:57:25.000 So it comes down to, I mean, sometimes I get one a year, one every six months, but it just comes down to, do you go back and expose yourself to these chaotic situations, right?

00:57:37.000 Like, do you go keep making bad decisions?

00:57:40.000 But for me, I look at it as a solution to...

00:57:43.000 I call it the flashbang of anxiety.

00:57:46.000 So it's that flashbang that gives you the moment, the separation, to where now I can make decisions that I don't feel like I'm out of control.

00:57:53.000 Now I can make decisions to get things back together.

00:57:57.000 What is the actual chemical that they're using?

00:58:00.000 I don't know.

00:58:01.000 I would have to look.

00:58:01.000 He's got an article about it.

00:58:05.000 That's crazy that it's so effective.

00:58:07.000 Using stellate ganglion block to treat post-traumatic stress disorder.

00:58:13.000 Make that a little bigger, Jamie.

00:58:15.000 Post-traumatic stress disorder develops in response to being exposed to extreme stress.

00:58:20.000 The sympathetic nervous system, fight or flight, has been known to play a part in PTSD. It's believed that extra nerves of the system sprout or grow after extreme trauma.

00:58:29.000 Wow.

00:58:30.000 Leading to elevated levels of Norepinephrine, an adrenaline-like substance which in turn over activates the amygdala, the fear center of the brain.

00:58:40.000 This chain of events results in PTSD symptoms that may persist for years.

00:58:46.000 So, part of the sympathetic nervous system called the stellate ganglion, a collective of nerves in the neck, seems to control the activation of the amygdala.

00:58:54.000 A recent innovation offers potential in rapidly treating symptoms of PTSD for a prolonged period of time, placing an anesthetic agent on the stellate ganglion in an anesthetic procedure called the stellate ganglion block.

00:59:13.000 Wow.

00:59:15.000 Wow.

00:59:30.000 SGB is an anesthetic procedure that has been performed since 1925 and is considered a low-risk pain procedure done under x-ray guidance.

00:59:40.000 That's insane.

00:59:42.000 So Dr. Sean Mulvaney is the guy.

00:59:45.000 I've been to other doctors, and Dr. Mulvaney is the only guy I would go to who does it the way...

00:59:51.000 He's got the whole procedure set up.

00:59:52.000 He was a Navy SEAL. He's a doctor.

00:59:56.000 He does it out of D.C. Most people hadn't heard of this.

01:00:03.000 I've never heard of this.

01:00:05.000 I went in and he called me the next day and he was like, so how do you feel?

01:00:11.000 I said, man, I caught myself singing in the shower this morning.

01:00:14.000 Like, I caught myself singing in the shower.

01:00:16.000 What were you singing?

01:00:17.000 I don't know.

01:00:17.000 I can't remember.

01:00:18.000 But I was like, man, I caught myself singing in the shower.

01:00:21.000 Like, I actually...

01:00:21.000 Like, I walked out of there and I... And to me, you know, I got to a point...

01:00:25.000 At that point, like...

01:00:26.000 I got to a low point.

01:00:29.000 And I just...

01:00:32.000 There's nothing in my life I can complain about.

01:00:36.000 This country has given me a life that I could have never dreamed to ever have.

01:00:42.000 I have no problems.

01:00:44.000 Zero.

01:00:45.000 And I just woke up every day and I was just like, I just don't want to wake up feeling like this.

01:00:51.000 And so he's like, come do this.

01:00:53.000 Come do this.

01:00:54.000 And I came out there and did it and it changed my whole life.

01:01:01.000 That sounds infinitely better than therapy or talking through it or any of the other methods I've ever heard of.

01:01:07.000 Yeah.

01:01:08.000 Well, I mean, I think all that matters.

01:01:10.000 I think the therapy, like if you want to go do talk therapy, that's good.

01:01:13.000 Like you should do that.

01:01:14.000 But I always tell people who go do talk therapy, like go in there with a plan of where you want your life to be.

01:01:19.000 Like, it's like going to a nutrition coach or a workout coach and not giving them goals.

01:01:24.000 Right.

01:01:24.000 You know, don't go in there just to go in there.

01:01:26.000 Like, go in there with a plan.

01:01:27.000 You know, and have them help you get to that plan.

01:01:30.000 But this, this is instantly just like that.

01:01:34.000 That's incredible.

01:01:35.000 Now, do they try to do that in conjunction with medication?

01:01:38.000 Is it just a standalone thing?

01:01:40.000 Standalone thing.

01:01:41.000 Wow.

01:01:41.000 Standalone thing.

01:01:42.000 You know, the only thing I do to help mine and my anxiety is like, it can get bad.

01:01:47.000 Like, I'm talking bad.

01:01:49.000 When you say that, what happens?

01:01:52.000 What's the process?

01:01:54.000 I usually feel it building up.

01:01:57.000 Over days?

01:01:58.000 Yeah, days.

01:01:59.000 It's almost like it'll come and it just builds up.

01:02:04.000 You'll have a little bit of an anxiety attack or whatever.

01:02:07.000 You'll start feeling anxiety or anxious.

01:02:09.000 That becomes your new baseline.

01:02:12.000 Then it keeps building.

01:02:13.000 People don't recognize it.

01:02:16.000 And for a long time, I used to drink a lot, because I didn't know what anxiety was.

01:02:22.000 I mean, what do you mean?

01:02:24.000 This is how I feel all the time.

01:02:26.000 And then what usually happens is at night, when I go to sleep, it'll rock me.

01:02:32.000 It'll rock me.

01:02:32.000 I'll start throwing up.

01:02:33.000 I'll be sweating.

01:02:34.000 I'll be crying.

01:02:35.000 Like, I mean, I'll be in the floor.

01:02:36.000 Now, are you thinking things when this is happening?

01:02:39.000 Or is it just an overwhelming sense of anxiety just all-encompassing?

01:02:44.000 I just, I don't know where it comes from.

01:02:46.000 I mean, obviously, I know where it comes from.

01:02:48.000 But are you thinking about war while this is happening?

01:02:50.000 No.

01:02:51.000 No, I think it just in my subconscious, I think, you know, obviously your brain is always trying to Like when you're asleep trying to file things and process things and I think that's what happens is like consciously you know You know consciously it doesn't bother me to talk about it Like yeah,

01:03:08.000 I went back and I was in another gunfight four days later and I mean literally I was Packing up all my teammates stuff and getting ready to go back to fight again and I got into another gunfight and I think that,

01:03:24.000 you know, coming home, your brain's still trying to process all that stuff.

01:03:28.000 And I think it happens to anybody.

01:03:30.000 You don't have to go to war.

01:03:31.000 You could be in a car wreck.

01:03:32.000 I mean, you look at the October 1st shooting in Vegas.

01:03:35.000 You know, you can go through anything, right?

01:03:38.000 Like, whatever.

01:03:39.000 I think that's what people are dealing with, and it's just...

01:03:42.000 I think that's why you see so much anxiety across the world is because of all this desensitization consciously and people are processing it subconsciously.

01:03:54.000 That makes sense.

01:03:56.000 That really makes sense, that they're taking in all this information.

01:03:59.000 They think it's not affecting them at all, but it really is.

01:04:02.000 It is, and I think that's why you see all these people feeling like their lives are out of control.

01:04:06.000 And it's because, consciously, like, we're not sitting here talking about it.

01:04:10.000 Like, well, yeah, yeah, you know, I seen a car wreck the other day, or, you know, so-and-so died, or, you know what I mean?

01:04:15.000 And it's like, they're not ever processing it consciously, but their body will, like, your body will, I always say, you can either exorcise your demons, or they're going to exorcise you.

01:04:24.000 That's a great way to put it.

01:04:26.000 What do they recommend when you, I mean, do they check on you to see if you are having anxiety or do you have to come to them and explain it?

01:04:37.000 Yeah, I mean, you just, you go to them.

01:04:39.000 Does anybody get through it without anxiety?

01:04:42.000 I mean, I, like, I would worry about the people that got through it without it.

01:04:46.000 I mean, you know what I mean?

01:04:48.000 Right. 0.82

01:04:48.000 I mean, if you can go kill people and not get through it without nightmares or anything, you know. 0.82

01:04:55.000 But I think some people do.

01:04:57.000 I mean, I think people just deal with it different ways.

01:05:00.000 Right.

01:05:00.000 But me, you know, I used to drink a lot, but I was doing it not because I was an alcoholic.

01:05:08.000 I was doing it as a, I just, I had rather, I could regulate my drinking better than I could the effects of what medicine would do to me.

01:05:16.000 Now, do the Marines have a system that they, will they check on you and make sure you're okay or guide you into a specific type of treatment when they know there's something wrong?

01:05:26.000 Yeah, yeah, but you know the problem is for all these war fighters is like they don't want to go talk about it or tell the Marine Corps because then they're, you know, or the military, I'll just say military-wide, you know, they look at you as, well, now this person can't operate.

01:05:43.000 Everybody's too worried to talk about this because they're afraid of not being able to do their job because they're afraid that somebody will look at them and say, oh, well, you got PTSD, so you don't need a gun.

01:05:53.000 And it's like, you know, Most people that have PTSD are car wreck victims.

01:06:00.000 Really?

01:06:01.000 Yeah.

01:06:02.000 That's the biggest source of PTSD? Yeah, you can Google it.

01:06:05.000 See, the biggest source of PTSD is car wreck victims.

01:06:08.000 Wow.

01:06:11.000 There's probably a lot of those, right?

01:06:13.000 Tons of them.

01:06:14.000 Yeah.

01:06:16.000 So when you do have an issue, how do you go from having an issue to getting treatment?

01:06:23.000 What's the process?

01:06:24.000 Okay.

01:06:24.000 If you tell your command, there's all types of resources there.

01:06:29.000 But you have to speak out.

01:06:31.000 That's the problem, right?

01:06:32.000 That's the problem.

01:06:32.000 Nobody wants to talk out because if you start talking, then how quick is your job going to be gone?

01:06:41.000 I got out.

01:06:42.000 I was out so fast after all this happened.

01:06:47.000 I was out seven or eight months afterwards.

01:06:49.000 I didn't realize what was going on until I probably never started dealing with my PTSD until 2016. I thought this was just normal.

01:07:03.000 What made you change?

01:07:05.000 My daughters.

01:07:07.000 My daughter, Sailor.

01:07:09.000 I can remember the day I was actually in the floor just having an anxiety attack like crazy.

01:07:15.000 And I was like, I gotta do something.

01:07:18.000 I've gotta do something because my daughters, they deserve the best father possible.

01:07:23.000 They had no choice in coming in this world.

01:07:27.000 I might not want to deal with it and face it for myself, but they deserve for me to wake up every single day and give them the best father that they could possibly have.

01:07:39.000 That is my responsibility to them.

01:07:44.000 Is that when you first got this shot, this block?

01:07:47.000 So I ended up getting it in 2017. Yeah, 2017, I think.

01:07:53.000 And I didn't know anything about it until, you know, once I found out about it, I did.

01:07:58.000 How did you find out about it?

01:07:59.000 Just another warrior that had gotten it, and it worked for them.

01:08:06.000 And I also use, so I use three methods to maintain all of it.

01:08:10.000 I use the stellar ganglion block, which is kind of, when it gets real bad, I'll go get that.

01:08:15.000 That's like the whole reboot, right?

01:08:17.000 For maintenance, I usually use, it's called an alpha stem, and so it goes on your earlobes.

01:08:23.000 I've heard of that.

01:08:24.000 People quit smoking with that, right?

01:08:26.000 I don't know about that.

01:08:27.000 It's usually for pain, anxiety, depression.

01:08:30.000 But I use an alpha stem, and I clip it on my ears, and I usually do it every day, and it melts it away as well.

01:08:39.000 And then the last piece is, and this is not obviously in our community, it's probably not the popular side of it, is using a pen at night.

01:08:53.000 A big pen?

01:08:54.000 Yeah.

01:08:55.000 Yeah.

01:08:56.000 Yeah.

01:08:56.000 Do you use CBD? It's the indica.

01:09:03.000 And that pretty much eliminated all my drinking.

01:09:06.000 Really?

01:09:07.000 Yeah.

01:09:07.000 Why is that not popular?

01:09:09.000 I don't know.

01:09:10.000 I think it's kind of still like the taboo, right?

01:09:12.000 Like the town I come from, they just made alcohol legal in it a few years ago.

01:09:17.000 What town are you from, man?

01:09:20.000 Columbia, Kentucky.

01:09:21.000 That's crazy.

01:09:22.000 They just made alcohol legal?

01:09:23.000 Yeah.

01:09:24.000 Wow.

01:09:25.000 That's a good place to study.

01:09:26.000 That's like an uncontacted tribe.

01:09:29.000 Yeah, well, you know, look, if you make it legal, the bootleggers will go out of business.

01:09:34.000 Right.

01:09:35.000 Oh, okay.

01:09:35.000 It's Dukes of Hazzard style.

01:09:39.000 That's crazy.

01:09:40.000 Yeah.

01:09:40.000 Wow.

01:09:41.000 They just made alcohol legal. 1.00

01:09:43.000 Holy shit. 0.99

01:09:44.000 So, yeah, vape pens are out of the question. 0.99

01:09:45.000 Oh, yeah.

01:09:46.000 Show up with a pot leaf t-shirt. 0.99

01:09:47.000 They'll shoot you. 0.97

01:09:48.000 Oh, listen. 0.99

01:09:50.000 Yeah.

01:09:51.000 That's so crazy.

01:09:53.000 Yeah.

01:09:53.000 Yeah, it's a weird taboo, but that...

01:09:57.000 That combination, particularly indica, it helps a lot of veterans.

01:10:01.000 Yeah, the indica, you take two or three puffs of that and you're asleep.

01:10:09.000 Makes you conk out.

01:10:10.000 You're asleep.

01:10:10.000 And you don't wake up with a hangover.

01:10:12.000 Right.

01:10:12.000 That's the cool part of it.

01:10:13.000 Yeah, it's a different kind of sleep.

01:10:16.000 And CBD has some great benefits for people as well in alleviating anxiety.

01:10:22.000 A lot of people like to use the two of them in conjunction.

01:10:25.000 But at least it's good that that's available to you.

01:10:28.000 Yeah.

01:10:28.000 Where are you living these days?

01:10:29.000 I live in Austin.

01:10:30.000 Oh, okay.

01:10:31.000 So you can get it there, right?

01:10:32.000 It's not.

01:10:33.000 Even if it's legal.

01:10:34.000 It's not legal, right?

01:10:35.000 It's not.

01:10:35.000 No.

01:10:36.000 Yeah.

01:10:36.000 But it's still there.

01:10:38.000 Yeah, it's still there.

01:10:39.000 Austin's filled with hippies.

01:10:40.000 It's the weirdest place in off Texas, right?

01:10:42.000 They are keeping it weird.

01:10:44.000 They definitely keep it weird, but it's a weird combination because it's like hippies, but there's also a lot of guns.

01:10:50.000 You know what I mean?

01:10:52.000 It's like a hunting culture and a Second Amendment culture, and there's like a lot going on there, and then hippies.

01:10:59.000 It's like people wearing fanny packs with guns in them.

01:11:04.000 Yes, yeah, yeah.

01:11:07.000 Yeah, man.

01:11:08.000 Yeah, you see a guy with a fanny pack in Texas.

01:11:10.000 Assume.

01:11:11.000 Yeah, assume he's carrying.

01:11:12.000 Yeah.

01:11:13.000 It's a different animal.

01:11:15.000 And Arizona's even weird.

01:11:16.000 Arizona's one of those open carry states, right?

01:11:18.000 Yeah.

01:11:18.000 You could just have it on your hip and go to the supermarket.

01:11:21.000 Yeah.

01:11:21.000 All right.

01:11:22.000 Yeah, whatever.

01:11:23.000 Yeah.

01:11:23.000 Right.

01:11:24.000 You know, when you carry it on your hip and go to the supermarket, I mean, that's obviously the first person that they would shoot. 0.99

01:11:31.000 They should shoot, right? 0.99

01:11:32.000 Right. 1.00

01:11:33.000 Like, okay, well, I know he's armed, so let's go ahead and make sure we...

01:11:36.000 Yeah, right?

01:11:37.000 I think people think of it as a deterrent, but sometimes deterrents are also attractants.

01:11:42.000 Absolutely.

01:11:43.000 Yeah.

01:11:43.000 Well, at least you can get a vape pen there, you know?

01:11:47.000 While you're in town, I suggest you stock up. 0.99

01:11:51.000 This place is ridiculous. 0.97

01:11:52.000 California's got it everywhere. 1.00

01:11:53.000 California's got too much, you know?

01:11:55.000 It's crazy. 1.00

01:11:55.000 Jamie, what did you just read about the company that's got a bunch of fucking pesticides and shit in their stuff? 1.00

01:12:05.000 Pesticides? 1.00

01:12:05.000 Yeah, they just tested it. 1.00

01:12:07.000 They just tested some shit that we used to have in the studio, but Jamie went and threw it out. 0.98

01:12:14.000 That's the real problem with this. 0.99

01:12:16.000 It's wild, wild west out here.

01:12:19.000 Unless you're testing things on a regular basis, you might be selling something.

01:12:25.000 I had a guy named John Norris who wrote a book called The Hidden War, and the book is all about how he was a game warden, and during his normal dunies, like making sure that people aren't overfishing or hunting without a license, that kind of stuff,

01:12:41.000 they started finding these cartel grow-ops.

01:12:43.000 And these cartel grow-ops are extremely—the weed that they're putting out is extremely dangerous because it's got these super-toxic pesticides to keep animals away and to keep bugs away. 0.79

01:12:53.000 And so they're putting this shit on weed, then that stuff winds up getting to the hands of people, particularly in other parts of the country where it's illegal, and it's just filled with pesticides. 0.91

01:13:03.000 And, you know, you can get sick from that stuff, and people can get real sick from it. 0.99

01:13:07.000 That's terrible.

01:13:08.000 Did you find it, Jamie?

01:13:09.000 Yeah, so they had a petrosolvent extraction.

01:13:14.000 Let me see.

01:13:15.000 I'll just let you read it.

01:13:16.000 Okay.

01:13:19.000 So, California vape maker Cushy Punch caught making illegal products.

01:13:26.000 This is in, what is the website here?

01:13:29.000 Leafly, so it's like a weed website.

01:13:31.000 Weed websites.

01:13:33.000 So what does it say?

01:13:34.000 The tip what?

01:13:36.000 Consumer Affairs served a warrant.

01:13:38.000 Prompted by a tip.

01:13:39.000 Investigators at the California Department of Consumer Affairs served a search warrant Thursday, October the 3rd in a light industrial space, Northwest Los Angeles Canoga Park District.

01:13:49.000 That's over here.

01:13:50.000 They found an illegal cannabis product manufacturing operation apparently operated by Cushy Punch.

01:13:56.000 A legal state licensed company, authorities seized a number of finished products including gummies in the Cushy Punch packaging and disposable vaporizers in Cushy vape packaging.

01:14:07.000 In photos obtained by Leafly, the facility appeared to be performing Petrosolvent extractions where a technician concentrates the active ingredients in cannabis, THC. Petrosolvent extracting is legal with a permit in California.

01:14:22.000 The extraction method can sometimes have the effect of concentrating pesticides along with the THC. But it says it's legal.

01:14:30.000 Hold on.

01:14:30.000 Scroll back up, Jamie.

01:14:31.000 Yeah, that part did say it was legal.

01:14:33.000 So it said it's legal with a permit in California.

01:14:36.000 So the problem was that they didn't have a permit?

01:14:38.000 I think maybe this place that they went to didn't have a permit.

01:14:42.000 Edibles and vape cartridges seized.

01:14:44.000 Dun, dun, dun.

01:14:46.000 San Fernando Valley facility appeared to be in the business of putting those extracts into professional-looking THC foods as well as disposable vape pen cartridges.

01:14:56.000 Tall file cabinets held, thousands of boxes of cushy vape pens and cushy punch edibles.

01:15:00.000 I don't understand this because it says if it's legal, a source familiar with cushy punch accused the adult use licensee of maintaining two facilities, one licensed and one black market.

01:15:13.000 Okay.

01:15:14.000 Leafly is granting the source's request for anonymity.

01:15:19.000 They could have actually been using the packaging, maybe, too, to package some stuff that was black market.

01:15:24.000 Well, it seems like they have one license at one place and the other place not.

01:15:28.000 A source alleges that the cannabis that tested clean went through Cushy Punch's license facility and into the license supply chain.

01:15:36.000 A source also says the cannabis might fail the state's stringent pesticide standards, went to the illicit extraction lab pen factory.

01:15:44.000 Okay, so some of it, but it doesn't say it did fail.

01:15:48.000 It says they're using untested black market oil that is heavy in pesticide.

01:15:54.000 Yeah.

01:15:57.000 I think something got tested and they didn't know what was up.

01:16:00.000 Federal legalization. 1.00

01:16:02.000 Solve all this shit. 1.00

01:16:03.000 That's what they should do. 1.00

01:16:04.000 Federal legalization and nationwide standards. 1.00

01:16:07.000 Make it so it's stupid to grow shit illegally. 1.00

01:16:11.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:16:12.000 Make it to where it's not a...

01:16:14.000 It was a great South Park episode I was watching about this. 0.97

01:16:17.000 It was fucking hilarious. 0.86

01:16:18.000 The new one? 0.99

01:16:19.000 Yeah, with the Mexican Joker. 0.92

01:16:21.000 See that one?

01:16:22.000 I heard their new episodes are really good this year. 0.97

01:16:25.000 It's fucking hilarious. 0.97

01:16:27.000 This guy gets pissed because other people are growing weed. 0.98

01:16:30.000 He's got a weed operation and he's giving people weed and everybody's happy and selling weed and doing great.

01:16:37.000 But then people start growing their own weed and he gets furious. 1.00

01:16:39.000 He's like, you stole my fucking idea! 1.00

01:16:41.000 He's like, you can't grow weed! 1.00

01:16:43.000 I thought I was gardening! 1.00

01:16:44.000 Like, fuck you! 1.00

01:16:49.000 But I mean, that is the problem, man. 1.00

01:16:50.000 It's fucking, it's easy to grow weed. 1.00

01:16:52.000 Yeah, there's the Mexican Joker. 1.00

01:16:54.000 The problem is, that was a different part of the episode.

01:16:56.000 The B story was that Cartman called Ice on his friends because he just, like, he found out that you could just call Ice and, like, have people suspected. 0.86

01:17:09.000 So he called it on Kyle and had Kyle fucking arrested and his whole family arrested. 0.99

01:17:15.000 It's such a fucking... 1.00

01:17:16.000 Look at him there, lying there mad at Cartman. 1.00

01:17:18.000 And then Cartman got arrested himself. 0.97

01:17:20.000 It was so ridiculous. 1.00

01:17:21.000 What they were worried about was one of the Mexican kids growing up to become the Mexican Joker and killing everybody. 1.00

01:17:29.000 So they had an ICE agent. 0.98

01:17:32.000 I'm giving away a lot of spoilers.

01:17:33.000 It's worth seeing, though. 0.93

01:17:34.000 It's fucking hilarious. 0.96

01:17:35.000 It's so funny. 1.00

01:17:36.000 It's just so ridiculous. 0.96

01:17:38.000 That's funny. 0.99

01:17:39.000 Yeah, it's just so ridiculous. 0.89

01:17:40.000 When you find out, like... 0.76

01:17:44.000 But you can grow your own weed.

01:17:46.000 That's the point.

01:17:47.000 But you can't legally, federally.

01:17:48.000 And you should be able to. 1.00

01:17:50.000 It's fucking stupid. 1.00

01:17:51.000 It's stupid. 1.00

01:17:51.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:17:52.000 Well, especially when it helps cops and firemen and first responders and soldiers.

01:17:57.000 It helps a lot of people, man.

01:17:59.000 Look at how much money we spend trying to fight it.

01:18:01.000 Yeah.

01:18:02.000 Yeah.

01:18:02.000 That's the problem, though.

01:18:04.000 There's a business in trying to fight it.

01:18:06.000 Yeah.

01:18:06.000 Particularly like the prison guard unions.

01:18:09.000 They always fight against it.

01:18:10.000 There's a lot of people who actually fight against legalization, which is...

01:18:13.000 It's a pretty un-American thing to do.

01:18:15.000 We've got that restaurant that just opened up in Hollywood you can smoke weed at now. 1.00

01:18:18.000 That restaurant can go fuck itself. 0.99

01:18:20.000 I'm not going anywhere near that place. 1.00

01:18:21.000 Listen, smoke a little weed at home, go to a regular goddamn restaurant. 1.00

01:18:25.000 I don't want to go to a restaurant where people zoned out of their fucking mind. 1.00

01:18:28.000 They're taking gravity bomb hits at the table. 1.00

01:18:30.000 Fuck that! 1.00

01:18:31.000 Can you imagine? 1.00

01:18:32.000 I can.

01:18:32.000 Everybody's freaking out.

01:18:34.000 I can't imagine. 1.00

01:18:35.000 The conversations are probably real stupid. 1.00

01:18:36.000 Everybody forgets what they're talking about. 1.00

01:18:40.000 These are rookies.

01:18:42.000 You can't be smoking that much weed with rookies.

01:18:45.000 Showing up at these buildings where you've got restaurants filled with people smoking weed, that's a recipe for a disaster.

01:18:51.000 They have to make you order before you smoke, too.

01:18:54.000 Oh my god, yeah!

01:18:54.000 You'll never get out.

01:18:56.000 But not only that, after you smoke, you're like, who the fuck ordered pizza? 1.00

01:18:59.000 Bitch, you ordered pizza! 1.00

01:19:02.000 It's so high you don't remember what you ordered 10 minutes ago. 1.00

01:19:05.000 Yeah.

01:19:06.000 All those public places, like, people are used to getting drunk in public.

01:19:10.000 They're used to go to a bar, you can have a couple of drinks, you're fine, right?

01:19:13.000 Two, three drinks, you're fine.

01:19:15.000 You're just you with a little tipsy, you're fine. 1.00

01:19:17.000 But you can have a fucking psychotic spiral if you have a pot edible at some establishment. 1.00

01:19:26.000 We've all seen people lose their marbles. 1.00

01:19:28.000 Especially if you've got some rookie from out of town, like, comes over from South Dakota, I can't believe you guys have free weed!

01:19:33.000 What is that?

01:19:34.000 What is that, a Chibichu? 1.00

01:19:35.000 And they chew that thing, and an hour later, you're trying to peel them off the ceiling.

01:19:39.000 Like, what happened to Jake? 0.99

01:19:43.000 Ah, the fucking guy's still high. 1.00

01:19:45.000 It's 48 hours later. 1.00

01:19:46.000 I don't know what to do.

01:19:47.000 Just make a room for that in the back. 1.00

01:19:48.000 Yeah, big padded room.

01:19:50.000 Like the drunk tank at jail, but you have the same thing.

01:19:55.000 Same thing in the back.

01:19:56.000 With soft music.

01:19:57.000 They just play the carpenters.

01:19:58.000 And they'll just burn incense for you and just try to bring you down. 0.76

01:20:02.000 Slow down.

01:20:02.000 You're going to be fine.

01:20:03.000 But I'm not!

01:20:06.000 Yeah, it's too risky.

01:20:08.000 Like, I want restaurants where people are straight. 0.97

01:20:11.000 Everybody's fine.

01:20:12.000 You just order a steak.

01:20:14.000 Regular restaurant.

01:20:15.000 People are getting loaded in those, too, though.

01:20:17.000 Oh, before they go.

01:20:18.000 No, getting drunk.

01:20:19.000 Yeah, getting wasted.

01:20:21.000 For some reason, I feel like that doesn't bother me as much.

01:20:24.000 Because we're used to it.

01:20:24.000 Yeah.

01:20:25.000 Yeah, that's true.

01:20:26.000 Just used to it.

01:20:27.000 Right.

01:20:27.000 Do you remember when you were a kid, when you first got drunk?

01:20:30.000 How old were you when you first got drunk?

01:20:32.000 Were you in the military or when you got out?

01:20:35.000 I was young.

01:20:36.000 Long before.

01:20:36.000 Yeah.

01:20:37.000 But you remember when you first try it, you don't...

01:20:39.000 First of all, no one's there with you.

01:20:41.000 It's not like your dad or your uncle's going, here, you have two shots, that's it.

01:20:46.000 No, you're drinking with your friends, and you don't know how far to go.

01:20:49.000 And so I remember throwing up in the cab.

01:20:51.000 I was drinking Jack Daniels with my friends.

01:20:53.000 We were listening to music, and I remember I was laying...

01:20:56.000 I was in a beanbag.

01:20:57.000 I was 14. I was laying in this beanbag, looking up, and the whole fucking world was spinning. 0.99

01:21:01.000 I was like, this is ridiculous. 0.99

01:21:03.000 I gotta get out of here. 0.69

01:21:04.000 And I... I called a cab to take me home and I threw up in the cab.

01:21:08.000 I was like, oh my god.

01:21:09.000 I didn't know how to do it.

01:21:10.000 I didn't know how to do it.

01:21:11.000 Nobody taught you how to do it.

01:21:13.000 No.

01:21:13.000 You just wind up figuring out with your friends.

01:21:14.000 And you're just lucky if you don't drink yourself to death.

01:21:16.000 It's just luck.

01:21:17.000 It's pure luck.

01:21:18.000 Yeah.

01:21:19.000 I was 14. Probably weighed 134 pounds.

01:21:23.000 Drinking like a fish.

01:21:24.000 Had no idea what I was doing.

01:21:26.000 You know, probably had five, six drinks.

01:21:29.000 Plastered.

01:21:30.000 Plastered?

01:21:30.000 Yeah, it's terrible.

01:21:31.000 But we're used to that by the time we're...

01:21:33.000 Yeah, but you go out with someone in their 28 if they don't know how to drink.

01:21:36.000 Get rid of them.

01:21:37.000 Don't hang out with them.

01:21:39.000 You know?

01:21:39.000 I remember when I first moved to LA. I was like 27. I went on a date with this gal.

01:21:44.000 First date was great.

01:21:45.000 Second date, I met her at a bar. 0.99

01:21:47.000 And when I met her there, she was sh-sh-shit-faced. 1.00

01:21:51.000 Just shit-faced. 1.00

01:21:52.000 Stumbling off the fucking, like, off the stool. 1.00

01:21:55.000 Couldn't keep her shit together. 1.00

01:21:56.000 Dropped the glass. 1.00

01:21:57.000 Broke it.

01:21:57.000 I was like...

01:21:58.000 I'm out of here.

01:21:59.000 I left her at the bar. 1.00

01:22:00.000 I was like, fuck this. 1.00

01:22:02.000 So you ghosted her? 1.00

01:22:03.000 Yes!

01:22:04.000 Hell yeah! 0.95

01:22:04.000 Those were the glorious days when no one had cell phones. 0.95

01:22:07.000 Ah, beautiful time to be alive.

01:22:10.000 Yeah.

01:22:11.000 She had to call my house. 1.00

01:22:12.000 Good luck, bitch. 1.00

01:22:15.000 She didn't have a cell phone. 1.00

01:22:16.000 Very few people had cell phones in 94. You know?

01:22:20.000 Very few people.

01:22:22.000 I mean, I had one.

01:22:24.000 I had a Motorola StarTAC.

01:22:25.000 It was like a big fat boy.

01:22:27.000 You could talk on it for 13 minutes before it ran out of batteries.

01:22:32.000 It had an antenna.

01:22:33.000 You pulled the antenna up.

01:22:34.000 Click, click.

01:22:34.000 You remember those things?

01:22:36.000 Dude, you thought you were Captain Kirk with those bad boys.

01:22:38.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:22:39.000 I was six.

01:22:40.000 Yeah.

01:22:40.000 Yeah, man.

01:22:41.000 In 94?

01:22:42.000 Were you six?

01:22:43.000 I was six.

01:22:44.000 Yeah.

01:22:44.000 That's when I first moved here.

01:22:45.000 Click, click.

01:22:46.000 Hello.

01:22:47.000 You hold it up to your ear like the detachable battery.

01:22:50.000 You get the fat battery.

01:22:51.000 You get an extra 40 minutes of talking.

01:22:55.000 Where'd you keep it at?

01:22:55.000 How'd you carry it around?

01:22:57.000 I don't remember.

01:22:57.000 I probably had one of them holsters on the side.

01:22:59.000 Because it's too thick for your pocket. 1.00

01:23:01.000 You can't keep that fucking fat bastard in your pocket. 1.00

01:23:03.000 I remember when the Razor phone came out, everybody was like, holy shit, we're in the future! 1.00

01:23:08.000 It's a credit card! 0.97

01:23:10.000 You're talking on a credit card! 1.00

01:23:11.000 That was the shit! 1.00

01:23:13.000 That little thing was so small! 1.00

01:23:15.000 But then that was like six minutes of talking.

01:23:17.000 Yeah.

01:23:19.000 Yeah, the Razer.

01:23:20.000 Yeah, and nobody had a cord.

01:23:23.000 It wasn't like today.

01:23:25.000 Like, hey, you got a charger?

01:23:26.000 Most people have iPhones or Androids.

01:23:28.000 It's either USB-C or it's Lightning.

01:23:30.000 Most people have a charger somewhere, right?

01:23:32.000 Yeah.

01:23:33.000 Especially iPhones in America. 1.00

01:23:35.000 Back then, if you didn't have a charge, you're fucked. 0.99

01:23:38.000 You can go to a restaurant. 1.00

01:23:39.000 Nobody has a goddamn cable at a restaurant for your fucked up cell phone. 1.00

01:23:43.000 It didn't exist. 1.00

01:23:45.000 It didn't exist.

01:23:46.000 Most people didn't even have cell phones until like 2000. When did you get a cell phone for the first time?

01:23:51.000 It was like 17 or 18, like my senior year of high school.

01:23:53.000 So like 2000. Yeah, like 2000-ish.

01:23:56.000 Somewhere around there.

01:23:56.000 Yeah.

01:23:57.000 I had one in 94. Well, I actually had one in 88. I had one that was attached to my car.

01:24:04.000 It was like the box?

01:24:05.000 Like the little box that had the cord on it?

01:24:07.000 Yeah, well, sort of.

01:24:08.000 It was actually bolted into the car.

01:24:09.000 It was in the center.

01:24:11.000 Like, it looked dope. 1.00

01:24:11.000 It looked like a fucking, like a pimp. 1.00

01:24:13.000 You're driving around. 1.00

01:24:14.000 I lit a Honda CRX. And it was like right there in the middle of the seats, like the phone.

01:24:20.000 But it helped me because I used to get gigs because like booking agents, like if someone couldn't make a gig or somebody fell out or got sick, they would call me.

01:24:29.000 I actually had a phone.

01:24:30.000 So I was in my car.

01:24:32.000 They'd call me up. 0.99

01:24:32.000 And I got a number of gigs because I had this fucking cell phone. 0.99

01:24:36.000 Were you in the right age where you had pager codes? 0.97

01:24:38.000 Did you have pager codes?

01:24:39.000 You know who had pager was Joey Diaz, forever, deep into the 2000s.

01:24:44.000 And if he owed people money or if he didn't like talking to them, he'd just throw his pager away.

01:24:48.000 Hey, I got a new pager, dawg.

01:24:49.000 He would get a new pager.

01:24:51.000 You just lose that pager.

01:24:53.000 You can never get a hold of him.

01:24:55.000 He had to call you back.

01:24:56.000 So he would call you back from just random phone numbers.

01:24:59.000 I'm going to the pager. 1.00

01:25:01.000 The pager was the shit. 1.00

01:25:02.000 But then what happened was some people got pagers that could send text messages. 1.00

01:25:07.000 I was going to say, at first they expanded it to you could get sports updates.

01:25:11.000 Everyone needed to get sports scores all day long.

01:25:13.000 They paid an extra five bucks a month.

01:25:15.000 But I remember I was at the Comedy Store in the back kitchen area, and one of the people that worked there had a page, maybe it was a comic, I don't remember, but they had a pager with a keyboard. 0.98

01:25:24.000 I was like, what the fuck is that?

01:25:25.000 And they're like, you could send people messages. 0.99

01:25:27.000 I'm like, no!

01:25:28.000 I'm like, yeah, if you're at a club, you can send them a message, and they can know where you are.

01:25:32.000 I was like, that is crazy!

01:25:34.000 Like, that's great!

01:25:35.000 You're sending messages?

01:25:36.000 And I remember thinking, I should probably get one of those.

01:25:38.000 But then I never got around to doing it.

01:25:40.000 But people were, they had pagers.

01:25:42.000 This is about before everybody had cell phones.

01:25:44.000 They had pagers that you could type messages on.

01:25:47.000 That blood Venn diagram bleed over into the Nextel.

01:25:51.000 Ding, ding.

01:25:52.000 Oh, yeah.

01:25:53.000 Walkie-talkie to someone.

01:25:54.000 Eddie Bravo had one of those.

01:25:55.000 That's a very close time period. 1.00

01:25:56.000 I would always give him shit. 1.00

01:25:57.000 I'm like, you have a phone. 1.00

01:25:58.000 Why the fuck would you put a walkie-talkie on a phone? 1.00

01:26:01.000 A phone's better than a walkie-talkie. 0.99

01:26:03.000 Like, why not put smoke screens on?

01:26:05.000 How about, you know, have drum signals. 1.00

01:26:08.000 This is so stupid. 1.00

01:26:09.000 You can have smoke signals on your phone. 1.00

01:26:11.000 It's a fucking phone. 1.00

01:26:12.000 It's a phone. 1.00

01:26:13.000 That sound would be everywhere.

01:26:13.000 Doot, doot, doot, doot, doot.

01:26:14.000 Yeah.

01:26:15.000 You don't have to say over.

01:26:16.000 A phone's better.

01:26:17.000 You don't have to say over.

01:26:19.000 You know?

01:26:19.000 I told things like you can only one person can talk at a time.

01:26:22.000 And the other thing about the walkie-talkie was I was like, okay, can someone listen?

01:26:27.000 Like, do you have to press the button or could someone just listen?

01:26:30.000 That was the concern.

01:26:31.000 Like, you know, like your girl could call you and just listen. 1.00

01:26:35.000 You're talking shit with your friends. 1.00

01:26:36.000 And she could just do-do-do. 1.00

01:26:38.000 I had a thought the other day, too.

01:26:40.000 This was a 90s thing.

01:26:42.000 You might remember this, too.

01:26:43.000 When you would turn on your home wireless phone, sometimes you'd just hear your neighbors talking.

01:26:48.000 Oh, yeah.

01:26:49.000 And they couldn't hear you.

01:26:50.000 Yes!

01:26:51.000 But you just listened to a half an hour conversation, like, randomly.

01:26:55.000 Yes!

01:26:55.000 So where I lived at, we didn't have neighbors close enough.

01:26:57.000 Okay.

01:26:57.000 Yeah.

01:26:59.000 I remember that.

01:27:00.000 Clearly, when I was living in an apartment, I heard the neighbor talking to me like a sock, but I would hear their whole conversation.

01:27:06.000 That was like you picked up on their frequency.

01:27:09.000 Yeah, the wireless thing just got connected.

01:27:11.000 There was no encryption back there.

01:27:14.000 He didn't have to be a hacker. 0.99

01:27:16.000 He just had to have a fucking antenna. 1.00

01:27:18.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:27:19.000 Those days.

01:27:20.000 Simpler days.

01:27:21.000 But at least people, for the most part, were talking to each other face to face.

01:27:27.000 Face to face.

01:27:27.000 That was the vast majority of communication was face to face.

01:27:31.000 Now, I would venture to say it's flipped on its head.

01:27:33.000 And the vast majority of communication is probably through text messages.

01:27:37.000 Well, 100%.

01:27:38.000 I mean, text messages, emails.

01:27:39.000 I mean, people can build their own reality now, right?

01:27:42.000 You never have to look at me and I can build my own reality through Instagram, Facebook, through all the social media.

01:27:48.000 I mean, literally, I can build my own filter.

01:27:51.000 My life can be filtered.

01:27:52.000 Sure.

01:27:53.000 And people don't want to look in the mirror of unfiltered realness.

01:27:57.000 Yeah, they just want to be in a bubble, communicate with people that have like-minded views.

01:28:02.000 Make their own reality.

01:28:03.000 Yeah.

01:28:05.000 It is an extremely strange time when it comes to the way people communicate with each other.

01:28:10.000 And there's no accountability, right?

01:28:12.000 You communicate through those things.

01:28:14.000 You can say whatever you want and there's no accountability. 1.00

01:28:16.000 There's no accountability for what you say to people, for the shit you talk to people. 1.00

01:28:24.000 There's no accountability because I can just hide behind a computer screen. 1.00

01:28:27.000 I can hide behind a screen.

01:28:28.000 I can hide behind my Instagram profile.

01:28:30.000 You can't find me.

01:28:32.000 You can't see me.

01:28:32.000 You know how people can like your posts?

01:28:34.000 Like, put a little heart, they like your posts?

01:28:36.000 Yeah.

01:28:36.000 Imagine if they give you an electric shock.

01:28:38.000 Oh. 1.00

01:28:39.000 Like, if people thought you were cunts, there's like a little lightning bolt next to the heart. 1.00

01:28:44.000 Like, this guy's a dick. 1.00

01:28:48.000 I'm glad they don't, because in that, I'd probably get more of those. 1.00

01:28:51.000 We all would.

01:28:52.000 I'd probably be dead.

01:28:53.000 Probably shocked to death.

01:28:54.000 I mean, imagine if someone could just reach out and shock you anytime they want.

01:28:59.000 Oh, that'd be terrible. 0.99

01:29:00.000 It'd be fucking terrible. 0.99

01:29:02.000 That'd be terrible. 0.98

01:29:02.000 But I mean, the emotional pain that people cause anytime they want, where they could just reach out and say something terrible to people, especially people doing it through anonymous accounts. 0.98

01:29:10.000 Oh.

01:29:11.000 That's the worst.

01:29:12.000 You know what?

01:29:13.000 And it's like people you're saying this to, they're real people.

01:29:15.000 Yes, they're real people.

01:29:16.000 The people that you're judging, the people that you're criticizing their lives, that the media chooses to put out there, they're real people going through real problems too.

01:29:27.000 Do you think that you have, and this is going to be a crazy question, but do you think that you have more of an appreciation for life because you've taken life?

01:29:40.000 I think that I have more appreciation for people in life because I have seen what suffering looks like.

01:29:49.000 I have felt suffering.

01:29:51.000 Like, when I look at people and people have their problems and they come to me or they say, you know, hey, they tell me their experience.

01:29:57.000 You know, I don't try to compare the experiences.

01:30:01.000 Like, it's not a game.

01:30:03.000 It's not a, you know, it's not a contest.

01:30:09.000 I try to look at them and when they tell me their experience, I just instantly go to, well, gosh, like...

01:30:17.000 I know this person is suffering.

01:30:19.000 How can I help them get through it?

01:30:20.000 Because I know what that feels like.

01:30:23.000 And that's where I try to relate to people on that level.

01:30:27.000 Not the experience because, look, I look at people... 0.96

01:30:30.000 Yeah, my day, it sucked.

01:30:32.000 People have gone through way, way worse.

01:30:34.000 A million times worse.

01:30:36.000 You look at sexual assault victims.

01:30:39.000 You look at domestic violence victims.

01:30:42.000 I feel like they've gone through way worse than I could ever experience, right?

01:30:45.000 Like, they've gone through just this stuff, and their PTSD is astronomical.

01:30:50.000 But it's like, we can all find a way to relate on that empathetic side of, gosh, you're going through something?

01:30:55.000 Like, let me help you get through that.

01:30:56.000 Like, if I can help you get through that, I want to help you get through that.

01:30:59.000 And I think that I know what it's like to suffer, and I've seen suffering at such extreme levels that I appreciate.

01:31:08.000 I just want to help people.

01:31:09.000 I just want to change the world.

01:31:12.000 What do you do with your days most of the time, these days?

01:31:16.000 So, I do a lot of public speaking.

01:31:20.000 I work with Hiring Our Heroes, with helping veterans transition back, getting jobs in Toyota.

01:31:28.000 And, you know, I'm also launching a website on Own The Dash.

01:31:32.000 So, Own The Dash is kind of like my brand of what I believe in, of owning your dash.

01:31:39.000 Dash?

01:31:40.000 What do you mean by dash?

01:31:41.000 So, Linda Ellis wrote a poem.

01:31:43.000 It's called The Dash.

01:31:44.000 And so she talks about, you know, on your tombstone, you have the day you were born and the day you die, which are two of the most insignificant days of your life.

01:31:54.000 They're both the only two days in your life that aren't 24 hours.

01:31:58.000 But what matters is that dash in between.

01:31:59.000 And you don't have control of the day you're born or the day you die, but you have control of what that dash looks like and how you made people feel and how they're going to remember you the day that you're gone.

01:32:09.000 You have that control every day.

01:32:13.000 And so I'm all about owning your dash.

01:32:16.000 Own your dash.

01:32:17.000 Be the best you.

01:32:18.000 Don't try to be the best somebody else.

01:32:19.000 Be the best you.

01:32:20.000 Wake up every day and put it all on the table and put it into making people's lives better.

01:32:27.000 And so I'm launching this site to where it's like it's helping people, empowering people to owning their dash, to being okay with being the best them.

01:32:40.000 I think people want to be the best of them.

01:32:41.000 I think people want to be positive.

01:32:43.000 I just don't think people have anybody showing them how to do it.

01:32:47.000 I think there's a lot of truth to that.

01:32:49.000 I think there's a lot of people that are frustrated because they really don't know how to live life in a positive way.

01:32:55.000 And they're spinning their wheels.

01:32:57.000 Too many people are out there.

01:32:58.000 People are out there.

01:32:58.000 They're out there surviving instead of succeeding.

01:33:01.000 They're just surviving.

01:33:03.000 And you said Toyota with Hire for Heroes?

01:33:05.000 Hire for Heroes.

01:33:06.000 Yeah, so I teamed up with Toyota when I got out.

01:33:09.000 I mean, Toyota has been...

01:33:11.000 Everybody at Toyota has just been so incredible.

01:33:17.000 But I teamed up with Toyota in the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, and so we built this platform.

01:33:23.000 It's a resume engine, so basically it helps veterans translate what they did in the military to what corporations are looking for.

01:33:33.000 And so Toyota just sponsors this.

01:33:35.000 That's awesome.

01:33:36.000 Yeah.

01:33:37.000 And so that's most of your time is these speaking engagements?

01:33:41.000 Yeah.

01:33:41.000 And then I have a canvas company, Flipside Canvas.

01:33:43.000 So we basically do digital art.

01:33:46.000 Oh, so that's why you're asking about these images that we have?

01:33:48.000 Yeah.

01:33:49.000 So we have Flipside Canvas.

01:33:50.000 So we do digital art and we put it up on different media types.

01:33:53.000 So we do infused metal.

01:33:55.000 We do canvas and we also do floated paper.

01:33:58.000 Did we order those things already?

01:34:00.000 I was gonna, that's why I was asking.

01:34:02.000 Oh, perfect.

01:34:03.000 Yeah, we'll do it through you.

01:34:04.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:34:04.000 Yeah, we're getting a bunch of shit made, right, we're about to, just now. 0.99

01:34:08.000 Yeah, it'd be awesome. 0.98

01:34:09.000 Yeah, we'll do it through you, 100%.

01:34:11.000 I love it.

01:34:11.000 100%.

01:34:11.000 We love it.

01:34:12.000 You know, so I do that, and then also, you know, we just, I was telling you earlier, you know, we just launched, you know, Discipline Go with Jocko, right?

01:34:20.000 I've got a signature flavor coming out called Dak Savage.

01:34:23.000 Oh, wow.

01:34:24.000 So this is Jocko's energy drink?

01:34:26.000 Yeah, Jocko's energy drink.

01:34:27.000 We were just talking about this. 1.00

01:34:28.000 Jocko should not have a goddamn energy drink. 0.99

01:34:30.000 Keep that money. 1.00

01:34:31.000 Dude, he drinks tea.

01:34:33.000 He drinks like herb tea.

01:34:34.000 If you could just bottle up Jocko's energy, right?

01:34:36.000 If you could just bottle up Jocko's energy and pass it out.

01:34:39.000 Yeah.

01:34:39.000 He's an interesting dude, but the world's better that he's alive.

01:34:43.000 People like that, first of all, they're a tremendous source of inspiration and information.

01:34:49.000 But inspiration, particularly important, because he leads by example.

01:34:56.000 And what he does with his life, what he does with his days.

01:34:59.000 He took an image the other day on his Instagram of the sunset, and it's like, this is finite.

01:35:06.000 Go get it.

01:35:07.000 Go get it.

01:35:08.000 A few of these.

01:35:09.000 You don't get many.

01:35:10.000 And he does it so simple, too, right?

01:35:12.000 Yep.

01:35:12.000 It ain't complicated.

01:35:14.000 Yeah.

01:35:15.000 It's simple.

01:35:16.000 It's to the point.

01:35:17.000 We played his video good. 0.98

01:35:20.000 I played it probably 50 fucking times in this podcast because I love it so much. 0.94

01:35:23.000 It's a video where he's talking about his response to anything that goes wrong. 0.97

01:35:27.000 Good.

01:35:28.000 Here's a chance to grow.

01:35:29.000 Good.

01:35:30.000 We learned.

01:35:31.000 And there's this video, and it's so intense because there's great music and animation to it, and the video's on YouTube.

01:35:40.000 I've literally watched it a hundred times.

01:35:42.000 Yeah, when I get my hardest times out, that's what I watch.

01:35:46.000 I watch that good video.

01:35:47.000 It's done so much for me.

01:35:48.000 That video's amazing.

01:35:49.000 It's amazing.

01:35:50.000 It just puts it in perspective.

01:35:52.000 It's like, I don't know, what is it, two minutes long?

01:35:54.000 Yeah.

01:35:55.000 And that two minutes, if you're driving down the road, afterwards, you just want to kick your windshield out.

01:36:01.000 Let's do it, right?

01:36:02.000 Yeah.

01:36:04.000 Yeah, it's fuel.

01:36:05.000 Like, let's do this.

01:36:05.000 It's fuel.

01:36:06.000 It's inspiration. 0.99

01:36:07.000 I mean, it makes your fucking hackles raise up. 0.99

01:36:09.000 It gives you goosebumps. 0.99

01:36:10.000 Yeah.

01:36:11.000 It makes you want to go.

01:36:12.000 It makes you just want to...

01:36:14.000 It just makes you want to go. 0.97

01:36:16.000 That's why guys like Jocko and Tim Kennedy and David Goggins and these fucking dudes that are out there that provide so much inspiration. 0.96

01:36:26.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:36:26.000 Iron Goggins. 0.98

01:36:27.000 He said that he did the one the other day.

01:36:30.000 He's out there running and he said...

01:36:33.000 I don't know. 0.99

01:36:34.000 I'll slaughter it. 0.84

01:36:35.000 But he goes, you know, he goes, it's hot out here. 0.97

01:36:38.000 And he goes, this guy pulled up to me.

01:36:40.000 And he said something to him about, you know, why are you running?

01:36:42.000 It's so hot.

01:36:43.000 And he's like, you know, we need doctors.

01:36:45.000 We need lawyers. 1.00

01:36:47.000 And we also need hard motherfuckers. 1.00

01:36:51.000 We need fucking savages. 1.00

01:36:52.000 We need hot motherfuckers. 1.00

01:36:53.000 He sends me random text messages out of nowhere. 1.00

01:36:56.000 I'll read it to you because they're so ridiculous. 1.00

01:36:59.000 He's so fucking savage, man. 1.00

01:37:01.000 But he means it. 0.99

01:37:02.000 He sends you these text messages and I get them just randomly.

01:37:09.000 Here's one.

01:37:10.000 No need to respond.

01:37:12.000 Hope all's well, brother.

01:37:13.000 Continue to live in the grip of life. 1.00

01:37:15.000 As you know, nothing gets done by being a bitch. 1.00

01:37:19.000 Stay hard, brother. 1.00

01:37:22.000 It's a random David Goggins text message.

01:37:25.000 It's Tuesday.

01:37:26.000 I'm at home just watching TV or something.

01:37:29.000 I get this message. 1.00

01:37:30.000 I'm like, what the fuck, Dave? 1.00

01:37:31.000 Jesus Christ. 1.00

01:37:32.000 And you know he's out there.

01:37:34.000 It's probably 115 degrees outside.

01:37:36.000 He's been running for 18 hours.

01:37:38.000 Stay hard.

01:37:39.000 Stay hard!

01:37:41.000 Oh, yeah.

01:37:43.000 Those guys are a massive source of inspiration.

01:37:47.000 They are.

01:37:48.000 And you know what?

01:37:49.000 I just love them all so much because they're real.

01:37:52.000 Yes.

01:37:53.000 They're real.

01:37:54.000 It's not an act.

01:37:54.000 It's not a performance.

01:37:56.000 Right.

01:37:56.000 It's not a show.

01:37:59.000 They're just...

01:38:01.000 They wake up every day, especially Jocko wakes up every day.

01:38:05.000 Tim Kennedy.

01:38:06.000 These guys just wake up every day and live everything that they say. 1.00

01:38:10.000 Yeah, and Jocko wakes up every day and takes a picture of his fucking watch. 0.99

01:38:14.000 He does. 1.00

01:38:15.000 It's 4.30, bitch. 1.00

01:38:16.000 Here we go. 1.00

01:38:17.000 That's not the way that somebody like me would do it.

01:38:20.000 I would take 10 of them in one day, and then I would put them on HootSuite, and they would come out.

01:38:28.000 One day you wake up at 4.30.

01:38:30.000 That's just not, you know.

01:38:32.000 But they crush it.

01:38:33.000 And that's why, you know, the world needs them.

01:38:37.000 The world does.

01:38:38.000 And also, people with the kind of experiences that they've had.

01:38:45.000 They're...

01:38:47.000 Their inspiration means more. 0.92

01:38:49.000 You know, there's a lot of people out there giving inspiration, but they haven't done shit. 0.99

01:38:52.000 When you get inspiration from someone that you know is living it every goddamn day. 0.99

01:38:57.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:38:57.000 You know, pushing it every goddamn day. 1.00

01:38:59.000 Pushing it every day and, like, finding, like, you know, they got every reason to not do it, but they always find the reason to do it. 0.98

01:39:05.000 Yeah.

01:39:06.000 Jocko's recently gotten into bowhunting now, which is pretty exciting.

01:39:09.000 How was that bowhunt with him?

01:39:10.000 It was great!

01:39:11.000 Well, I wasn't hunting with him.

01:39:13.000 I was in camp with him.

01:39:14.000 He was hunting with my friend John Dudley, who coached me and has helped me, and he coached Jocko to his first elk.

01:39:23.000 But we all got to share camp and talk.

01:39:25.000 We did a podcast together.

01:39:26.000 It's available on Knock On Archery, and it's also available on my brother Andy Stump's podcast, which is Cleared Hot.

01:39:33.000 I love Andy.

01:39:34.000 I love Andy, too. 1.00

01:39:35.000 He's a shit. 1.00

01:39:35.000 He was in camp as well. 1.00

01:39:38.000 And we were there for five days in Utah. 0.99

01:39:42.000 We had a great fucking time. 0.99

01:39:43.000 It was awesome. 0.99

01:39:44.000 That's awesome.

01:39:45.000 It's gorgeous up there, man.

01:39:46.000 God, it's so beautiful.

01:39:48.000 And he's an awesome dude, too.

01:39:49.000 He's crazy. 0.96

01:39:50.000 He's legitimately crazy. 1.00

01:39:51.000 I mean, anybody who has the world record for the longest flight suit in one of them flying squirrel fucking suits, that guy's out of his fucking mind. 1.00

01:40:01.000 But he doesn't do the flying squirrel suit anymore. 0.99

01:40:03.000 He doesn't?

01:40:03.000 Nope.

01:40:04.000 No, he had a buddy die.

01:40:06.000 Well, he's had several, but one too many, I believe.

01:40:09.000 And then base jumping.

01:40:10.000 He's had a bunch of friends dive doing that as well.

01:40:12.000 Did he quit base jumping?

01:40:13.000 Yes.

01:40:13.000 He's still skydiving.

01:40:15.000 No more base jumping.

01:40:16.000 We're supposed to skydive together.

01:40:17.000 I skydive a lot, too, so I love it.

01:40:19.000 I don't skydive.

01:40:19.000 I mean, I'm nowhere near Andy Stump.

01:40:21.000 Dude, that looks like a ridiculous thing to do.

01:40:23.000 I don't get it, but I was just in a hot air balloon recently. 0.84

01:40:26.000 That was as close as I get to skydiving.

01:40:28.000 Yeah?

01:40:29.000 You wouldn't do it?

01:40:30.000 Come on.

01:40:30.000 I mean, I definitely would do it, but I don't want to.

01:40:34.000 I don't want to jump out of a goddamn plane. 0.99

01:40:36.000 I would do it. 0.99

01:40:37.000 If I had to do it, I would do it.

01:40:39.000 But I don't want to do it.

01:40:40.000 You wouldn't volunteer to do it.

01:40:42.000 No!

01:40:43.000 Just some crazy thrill.

01:40:45.000 Look, we're almost going to die!

01:40:47.000 And then we landed.

01:40:48.000 Woo! 0.99

01:40:49.000 Don't you feel better that you didn't die?

01:40:51.000 I can imagine that.

01:40:52.000 I'll lie in bed and close my eyes and pretend I'm jumping out of a plane.

01:40:56.000 Woo! 0.99

01:41:01.000 I'm good.

01:41:02.000 You're good?

01:41:03.000 Yeah.

01:41:04.000 But Andy, like, that's not enough. 0.99

01:41:06.000 He's got to get in that goddamn squirrel suit. 0.99

01:41:08.000 And then fly close to all those, you know. 1.00

01:41:12.000 Yeah, and you can calculate that shit wrong if you don't know every goddamn nuance of the surface of the earth. 0.98

01:41:18.000 Or just, like, the wind. 0.99

01:41:19.000 Oh, yeah.

01:41:20.000 Yeah.

01:41:21.000 Well, how about that?

01:41:21.000 I mean, there was one that we played on this podcast that's horrendous where a guy was trying to bridge the gap through the Golden Gate Bridge and he slams into the bridge while these people are watching.

01:41:30.000 Oh, my God.

01:41:32.000 Oh, my God.

01:41:33.000 And the sound when it hits the bridge.

01:41:35.000 It's like a car accident.

01:41:37.000 That sounds terrible.

01:41:38.000 Oh my god, it's so terrible.

01:41:39.000 Because you realize that people are realizing this guy's going to hit the bridge.

01:41:43.000 Because he just, you know, you're floating.

01:41:46.000 It's not like you have controls.

01:41:48.000 You're just kind of guessing, and it's like you guess wrong.

01:41:51.000 Slam right into the side of the bridge.

01:41:53.000 It's horrific.

01:41:54.000 Yeah, if it's all about guessing, then I'm not usually good at guessing.

01:41:57.000 No!

01:41:59.000 Not interested, man.

01:42:01.000 One of the greatest jiu-jitsu guys of all time, Holis Gracie, he died skydiving.

01:42:08.000 Really?

01:42:08.000 Not skydiving.

01:42:09.000 What's that called?

01:42:10.000 What's it called when you're on the...

01:42:13.000 Paragliding?

01:42:14.000 Paragliding, yeah.

01:42:16.000 You know, the triangle thing and flying around those things.

01:42:19.000 That's how you died?

01:42:20.000 Yeah, he died slamming into a mountain.

01:42:22.000 Wow.

01:42:23.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:42:23.000 That would suck. 0.99

01:42:25.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1.00

01:42:26.000 But again, he's goddamn savages that can't get enough adrenaline. 0.99

01:42:30.000 I like Andy. 1.00

01:42:31.000 I love it.

01:42:32.000 I love it.

01:42:34.000 Andy's like, I blame him for me getting into it.

01:42:38.000 I was interested in it and I did it.

01:42:41.000 I love it though.

01:42:42.000 I love it.

01:42:43.000 No, he's gotten a couple of friends of mine into it. 1.00

01:42:45.000 Goddamn psycho. 1.00

01:42:46.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:42:47.000 He told me, though, that I can't...

01:42:50.000 He said, no bass jumping.

01:42:52.000 He did tell me that.

01:42:53.000 He's like, no bass jumping.

01:42:54.000 He's like, don't be bass jumping.

01:42:56.000 Yeah, that one doesn't work out all the time.

01:42:58.000 It doesn't, does it?

01:42:59.000 No.

01:43:00.000 No, there's times it doesn't work out.

01:43:01.000 And when it doesn't work out, it's terrible.

01:43:03.000 Yeah.

01:43:05.000 I get it, but those things...

01:43:08.000 Those cheap thrills, you know?

01:43:10.000 It seems like a cheap thrill.

01:43:11.000 I get it.

01:43:12.000 I get it.

01:43:13.000 I mean, I'm not telling anybody they shouldn't do it.

01:43:15.000 It definitely should be legal.

01:43:16.000 I'm not saying it should be illegal.

01:43:18.000 You should be able to do it, for sure.

01:43:19.000 You should do it. 1.00

01:43:20.000 Fuck that. 1.00

01:43:24.000 So you're not even on the fence. 1.00

01:43:25.000 Fuck that. 1.00

01:43:27.000 Not interested. 1.00

01:43:28.000 Oh, come on. 0.87

01:43:29.000 What else are you doing with your time these days?

01:43:32.000 That's it.

01:43:32.000 Raising my daughters.

01:43:33.000 You know, I got two and three year old.

01:43:35.000 They're awesome.

01:43:36.000 That's always fun.

01:43:37.000 Yeah, man.

01:43:39.000 Flying my helicopter.

01:43:40.000 You got a helicopter?

01:43:41.000 Yeah, so I got it. 1.00

01:43:43.000 Holy shit. 0.99

01:43:43.000 My buddy, Tim's introduced me to a guy named Shane Steiner. 0.99

01:43:50.000 And he got me into flying, so I love it.

01:43:54.000 Like, I'm addicted to it.

01:43:55.000 I love it.

01:43:56.000 It makes my life a lot easier.

01:43:57.000 I mean, it also, whenever I, you know, if I go to Dallas or Houston, it's a difference in me getting home that day versus me staying another night and not being able to wake up, you know.

01:44:08.000 In the same house as my kids, right?

01:44:09.000 So, I love it.

01:44:12.000 I love it.

01:44:13.000 That's pretty cool, man.

01:44:14.000 I've been up in them before.

01:44:15.000 I was in them in Hawaii.

01:44:16.000 I've flown them in them when you do the tour of the volcanoes.

01:44:20.000 And then recently, my friend Bill Burr, he's gotten really into flying helicopters, and he took me up, and we flew around downtown LA. It was crazy.

01:44:29.000 We went around Malibu after the fires, too.

01:44:32.000 Oh, wow.

01:44:32.000 When you see it from the sky, you get a totally different perspective of how bad the damage was.

01:44:38.000 But yeah, he loves it.

01:44:40.000 He flies all over the place.

01:44:41.000 I love it.

01:44:42.000 I love it.

01:44:43.000 It seems like a lot of fun.

01:44:44.000 Yeah, you come to Austin, we'll go fly around. 1.00

01:44:46.000 Fuck that. 1.00

01:44:47.000 No, I'll fly with you for sure. 1.00

01:44:49.000 How long have you been doing it for?

01:44:51.000 A couple weeks.

01:44:52.000 A few weeks.

01:44:54.000 No, I should be taking my...

01:44:56.000 I should be taking my...

01:44:57.000 So, you know, if I do anything...

01:45:00.000 Is this you?

01:45:00.000 Yeah, this is me right here.

01:45:01.000 So, did you buy this thing?

01:45:03.000 You bought a plane? 1.00

01:45:04.000 Holy shit. 1.00

01:45:05.000 I mean, a helicopter? 1.00

01:45:06.000 That's ultimate freedom though, right?

01:45:07.000 Oh my gosh.

01:45:08.000 You go wherever the hell you want and you can land in a small area.

01:45:11.000 Yeah, like sometimes you're flying over the lake, Lake Travis, and just like 8 to 10 feet off the water.

01:45:22.000 Yeah, there's Shane right there.

01:45:23.000 Today's his birthday, actually.

01:45:24.000 Happy birthday, Shane.

01:45:25.000 Happy birthday, Shane.

01:45:26.000 That's pretty dope.

01:45:27.000 That was the day I did my first solo.

01:45:29.000 Oh, wow.

01:45:30.000 How far did you fly?

01:45:31.000 So basically, you just go up and you do three takeoffs and landings.

01:45:34.000 So that's his helicopter over there.

01:45:37.000 Oh, okay.

01:45:38.000 The red one in the background?

01:45:39.000 Yeah, we're starting a helicopter club, you know?

01:45:42.000 Oh, really?

01:45:42.000 Yeah, Helly's Angels.

01:45:43.000 No, I'm just kidding.

01:45:45.000 Have you ever been hella hunting?

01:45:46.000 I have. 0.97

01:45:47.000 I have pigs. 0.98

01:45:48.000 Have you? 0.95

01:45:48.000 Yeah. 0.95

01:45:49.000 I've watched Ted Nugent.

01:45:51.000 There's a show that they did called The Porkalypse Now.

01:45:54.000 The Porkalypse.

01:45:56.000 Where are you saying Ted Nugent hanging out of a helicopter gunning down these wild pigs?

01:46:02.000 Yeah. 0.95

01:46:03.000 For people who don't know, it's really actually a necessary evil because these wild pigs in Texas in particular, they've overrun the state. 0.94

01:46:12.000 There it is. 0.98

01:46:12.000 There's Uncle Ted. 0.98

01:46:14.000 A porcalypse.

01:46:15.000 Oh, God. 0.99

01:46:15.000 This is so ridiculous. 0.99

01:46:16.000 And he's just taking them out. 0.99

01:46:17.000 Tink, tink, tink.

01:46:18.000 I mean, there's so many of them.

01:46:20.000 Yeah.

01:46:20.000 It has to be done.

01:46:21.000 It does have to be done.

01:46:23.000 Thank you so many. 0.88

01:46:23.000 It's fucking crazy. 0.88

01:46:25.000 The video is goddamn crazy. 1.00

01:46:26.000 You gotta see them doing reload! 1.00

01:46:29.000 And they're just gunning these pigs down from the sky. 0.98

01:46:32.000 And that's Brian Quacko's Pig Man. 0.96

01:46:35.000 He's got a show called Pig Man.

01:46:37.000 Yeah, it's in the same type of helicopter.

01:46:39.000 I think it's R-44. 1.00

01:46:41.000 This is a fucking crazy video, man. 1.00

01:46:44.000 It's so crazy. 1.00

01:46:45.000 It's so awesome.

01:46:46.000 They shot, I think, something like 250 hogs in a day. 1.00

01:46:49.000 Oh my gosh.

01:46:50.000 Just flying around, gunning them down.

01:46:52.000 That's a lot of bacon.

01:46:53.000 A lot of barbecue.

01:46:54.000 That is.

01:46:55.000 Yeah, they just round them up and they actually feed the homeless with them.

01:46:58.000 The thing about... 0.98

01:46:59.000 Pigs, they're destructive and they're terrible and they're terrible for the ranches and they're terrible for these farms, but they're damn delicious. 0.99

01:47:06.000 They are. 0.95

01:47:08.000 Especially the wild ones actually taste better than domestic pigs.

01:47:11.000 It's far superior meat.

01:47:16.000 A lot of times you get to them and they're all nasty.

01:47:18.000 They all eat up with stuff.

01:47:20.000 That can happen too, yeah.

01:47:22.000 Infected.

01:47:22.000 Yeah, infected, because they eat everything.

01:47:25.000 But they'll come in, like a pig will tear up.

01:47:28.000 And it's crazy how fast they reproduce, right? 0.97

01:47:30.000 I think it's like a pig's gestation.

01:47:33.000 So I think after a pig is born, I don't know how long it is, but after they have their first litter, it's like every...

01:47:44.000 Six months or if it's six weeks, I don't know what the period is.

01:47:46.000 I think they can have their first litter at six months.

01:47:48.000 Yeah, six months.

01:47:49.000 And then I think it only takes them, like, I don't know how it is, but usually after they have their litter, they're pregnant the next day.

01:47:55.000 That's crazy.

01:47:56.000 It's like there's this whole gestation period of why they reproduce so much.

01:48:00.000 Right.

01:48:00.000 And that's the problem with them.

01:48:02.000 They're everywhere in Texas.

01:48:04.000 They're everywhere in California now, too.

01:48:06.000 They're in San Jose in people's front yards, chewing up their grass and stuff.

01:48:10.000 Yeah.

01:48:11.000 They're all over the place, man.

01:48:12.000 What do they do about them out here in their front yards?

01:48:14.000 Well, you can hunt them.

01:48:16.000 The place where I'm hunting elk, you can hunt pigs.

01:48:18.000 That's Tejon Ranch.

01:48:19.000 And there's, you know, in Northern California, I mean, it's a famous place where Hunter Thompson used to hunt them with AK-47s.

01:48:26.000 He used to go out and hunt pigs.

01:48:28.000 There's a famous picture of him with a pig hanging from a rope that he's quartering, you know, gutting.

01:48:36.000 That's so awesome.

01:48:37.000 Yeah, they were brought to California by William Randolph Hearst, believe it or not.

01:48:43.000 Really?

01:48:43.000 Yeah, you know, he had Hearst Palace up there, or Hearst Castle, and he wanted to bring a bunch of wild animals up there.

01:48:51.000 So he had all these wild animals running around on his lawn, and some of them were Russian boars.

01:48:55.000 So he brought over these Russian boars and sows, and they bred, and now they're all over the place.

01:49:00.000 And here they are.

01:49:01.000 Particularly Northern California.

01:49:03.000 They get about as far south as Bakersfield, the Bakersfield area, but eventually they're probably going to make their way to the San Fernando Valley.

01:49:10.000 They'll probably link up.

01:49:11.000 They'll probably just keep going and link up in Texas.

01:49:13.000 Probably. 1.00

01:49:14.000 Well, they're fucking everywhere, man. 1.00

01:49:17.000 If you've never seen it before, people on the outside are like, oh, why would you want to shoot pigs? 0.99

01:49:23.000 But if you just saw the kind of devastation and millions and millions of dollars worth of property damage every year for these farmers.

01:49:29.000 And for farmers, they're on a tight margin as it is.

01:49:33.000 If you're a farmer, a rancher, and you're trying to grow crops...

01:49:36.000 It's tough to make a living.

01:49:38.000 And you've got to worry about weather and everything else, much less pigs. 0.99

01:49:41.000 Millions of pigs, too. 0.99

01:49:42.000 Millions. 0.99

01:49:43.000 Yeah.

01:49:43.000 I mean, people are like, wait a minute, millions?

01:49:45.000 Are you exaggerating?

01:49:45.000 No.

01:49:46.000 Millions.

01:49:47.000 I think they estimate...

01:49:48.000 Find out this.

01:49:49.000 What's the number of wild hogs estimated in Texas?

01:49:53.000 Just in Texas alone, I would bet...

01:49:56.000 Let's take a guess.

01:49:57.000 I'm going to say 4 million.

01:49:59.000 Yeah.

01:50:00.000 I'd go higher.

01:50:01.000 I'd go 5. 5. What does it say, Jamie?

01:50:05.000 1.5. 1.00

01:50:06.000 No, they don't know shit, liberals. 1.00

01:50:09.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:50:10.000 Goddamn hippies. 1.00

01:50:11.000 Is that real? 1.00

01:50:12.000 Yeah.

01:50:12.000 That's what it says?

01:50:14.000 Texas government website.

01:50:15.000 Texas government. 0.99

01:50:16.000 They're corrupt. 0.98

01:50:17.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:50:19.000 It's government.

01:50:19.000 You can't believe it.

01:50:20.000 Can't believe the goddamn government. 1.00

01:50:22.000 Well, we were a little wrong. 1.00

01:50:23.000 Yeah, we were a little off on that one.

01:50:24.000 Also, Ted Nugent's out there.

01:50:25.000 He'd probably be 15 million if it wasn't for him.

01:50:28.000 Yeah, Ted Nugent.

01:50:30.000 He's awesome.

01:50:31.000 He's an interesting cat.

01:50:33.000 I enjoyed talking to him.

01:50:34.000 I had him on the podcast.

01:50:37.000 He's a polarizing character.

01:50:39.000 But I don't think people understand him.

01:50:41.000 He talked to him.

01:50:42.000 He's actually a very good man.

01:50:44.000 He's a good guy.

01:50:45.000 He's got this outrageous side to him. 1.00

01:50:46.000 He says a bunch of outrageous shit. 0.99

01:50:48.000 But that's also part of the way he gets attention for some of the things that he believes in. 0.99

01:50:52.000 I don't think he's a bad guy at all.

01:50:53.000 You've got to make a statement to get people to pay attention, right?

01:50:56.000 Yeah, and also, you've got to realize, like, this guy's been fighting the same fight for a long time in regards to hunting rights.

01:51:04.000 For a long, long time.

01:51:06.000 Back when people didn't really have the same information that they have today.

01:51:10.000 Like, now today, people can understand, like, oh, conservation is actually very important.

01:51:15.000 And it's important to remove certain numbers of the population of these animals.

01:51:19.000 And also, the money that you spend on these tags and on...

01:51:23.000 Hunting licenses and even on gear, a percentage of that goes towards protecting habitat and hiring game wardens.

01:51:30.000 It's a very efficient system and it's a system that's actually managed by wildlife biologists.

01:51:39.000 Yeah, it's a system that's very managed.

01:51:42.000 Just like in Alaska, they're game wardens up there.

01:51:45.000 It seems like if you killed a moose or you fished with the wrong thing, the wrong hook, it's more important than if somebody got killed or something.

01:51:55.000 You know what somebody told me, though?

01:51:56.000 Which is interesting.

01:51:57.000 You know they have that game wardens TV show?

01:52:01.000 There's a show about game wardens.

01:52:04.000 And somebody was telling me that game wardens are like some unscrupulous game wardens.

01:52:09.000 They're actually setting guys up just so they could be on these shows.

01:52:13.000 Oh, really?

01:52:13.000 Yeah, they're trying to set up stings and set up these things just so they could be on the shows.

01:52:18.000 They might even be entrapping people.

01:52:21.000 I know where I was from.

01:52:22.000 They would put this deer out.

01:52:24.000 You get in trouble if you can't shoot from the road.

01:52:28.000 Right, right, right.

01:52:29.000 And they put that fake deer.

01:52:30.000 They put a robot deer, right?

01:52:31.000 They put the robot deer out there.

01:52:32.000 With a camera on it. 0.97

01:52:33.000 I could film people trying to kill it. 1.00

01:52:35.000 That's hilarious. 1.00

01:52:37.000 They'd get you.

01:52:38.000 Yeah, I just had to watch out.

01:52:40.000 Watch out for robo-deer.

01:52:42.000 Yeah.

01:52:42.000 Make sure it's a real deer.

01:52:43.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:52:44.000 It actually moves its head and shit. 1.00

01:52:46.000 It does. 0.99

01:52:47.000 I've seen that thing.

01:52:47.000 It'll move and stuff, and they put it out in the field where people drive by and they see it in the field.

01:52:53.000 Well, you know, on one hand, I'm like, that's hilarious. 1.00

01:52:56.000 On the other hand, fuck poachers. 1.00

01:52:58.000 It's so good. 1.00

01:52:59.000 Yeah.

01:52:59.000 You know?

01:53:00.000 Good.

01:53:00.000 If you're out there doing that.

01:53:01.000 If you're out there doing that, it's not fair, right?

01:53:03.000 Yeah.

01:53:03.000 Well, it's crazy, too.

01:53:04.000 And there's so many people out there that don't follow the rules, that are out there shooting animals they're not supposed to shoot.

01:53:11.000 There's a reason why we have so many animals.

01:53:13.000 It's because they have this stringent set of rules that they want you to follow.

01:53:18.000 And if you can get a tag for two animals, great.

01:53:21.000 That's what you're allowed to get.

01:53:22.000 You get two animals.

01:53:23.000 That's it.

01:53:25.000 We're good to go.

01:53:44.000 To this day, elk in this country are only in a small percentage of the population, including grizzly bears, a small percentage of the place where they used to be. 0.98

01:53:54.000 California has a goddamn grizzly bear as its state flag. 0.98

01:53:57.000 There's a grizzly bear on the flag. 1.00

01:53:59.000 There's no fucking grizzlies here. 1.00

01:54:00.000 They whacked them all. 1.00

01:54:02.000 They killed every one of them. 0.99

01:54:04.000 But they did that because they were killing people.

01:54:06.000 The last guy to get killed by a grizzly bear was in, I think his name was Stephen Levesque, and there's a town named after him.

01:54:15.000 When you're headed up north, if you're on the way to Bakersfield, there's a town called Levesque, and that's where that guy got whacked.

01:54:21.000 So they named a town after him?

01:54:22.000 Yeah.

01:54:22.000 That's the last place where a person got killed by a grizzly bear in California.

01:54:26.000 And they just gunned them all down.

01:54:28.000 Like, enough. 0.83

01:54:29.000 Got rid of all of them.

01:54:31.000 That's awesome.

01:54:32.000 Have you ever been around a grizzly bear in real life?

01:54:34.000 Oh, not a grizzly bear.

01:54:35.000 I've seen brown bears, black bears.

01:54:37.000 Well, brown bear is a grizzly.

01:54:38.000 It's the same thing.

01:54:39.000 Unless it's a color fairy, it's black bear.

01:54:41.000 Yeah.

01:54:42.000 But isn't there a little difference between them?

01:54:46.000 The difference is really their diet.

01:54:47.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:54:48.000 Grizzly bears are more aggressive because they're out there fucking up moose and deer and shit. 0.99

01:54:52.000 It's a hard knock life for a grizzly bear. 0.99

01:54:54.000 Well, I think that, you know, so the brown bears, I mean, they're out there.

01:54:57.000 I mean, they're out there crushing moose too, right?

01:54:58.000 I mean, they're...

01:54:59.000 They are, but they're also eating a shitload of fish.

01:55:02.000 Yeah.

01:55:02.000 Brown bears are coastal bears.

01:55:03.000 Gotcha.

01:55:04.000 And like, in like Alaska.

01:55:06.000 Yeah, so that's where I was at is Alaska.

01:55:08.000 So that's where I was around them is in Alaska.

01:55:10.000 Okay.

01:55:10.000 There's a crazy picture that went viral a couple days ago.

01:55:13.000 This couple of guys are fly fishing and they don't even realize that a bear is right behind them.

01:55:19.000 Oh gosh. 0.99

01:55:20.000 They're standing there in the river and this is a fucking huge bear. 0.99

01:55:22.000 See if you can find the picture. 0.99

01:55:24.000 These guys are on the river.

01:55:26.000 Viral image.

01:55:28.000 Men don't know bears behind them. 0.99

01:55:31.000 They're fishing around this river. 1.00

01:55:33.000 This fucking huge bear is just right behind them, looking at them. 1.00

01:55:36.000 They don't even know it's there. 1.00

01:55:37.000 That's awesome.

01:55:39.000 Bears are something else.

01:55:41.000 They are something else.

01:55:42.000 They are something else.

01:55:42.000 Have you seen it?

01:55:44.000 I thought you were...

01:55:44.000 There's another video I was looking for you.

01:55:46.000 Look at that.

01:55:47.000 They don't even know.

01:55:48.000 They're fishing.

01:55:49.000 Like, hey, guys.

01:55:50.000 Oh, my gosh. 0.99

01:55:53.000 They had no idea there's a fucking 900-pound bear right behind them. 0.99

01:55:58.000 Yeah, I mean, and then you're kind of screwed right there. 0.99

01:56:00.000 Mm-hmm.

01:56:03.000 Do you think the guy's yelling at him as he's taking the photo or do you think he took the photo and then told him?

01:56:08.000 The guy probably stayed there for hours taking pictures.

01:56:11.000 Never told him?

01:56:12.000 He probably was hoping that the bear ate him and he'd get the best picture.

01:56:16.000 There's one crazy video of these people riding these bikes down this trail.

01:56:21.000 Oh, the men in the photo were barely bothered when they realized the bear, oh, well they must be Alaskan natives. 0.99

01:56:27.000 Goddamn savages up there. 1.00

01:56:28.000 They're crazy. 1.00

01:56:29.000 These people don't give a fuck. 1.00

01:56:30.000 That's a different breed of human up there. 0.99

01:56:32.000 Yeah, that's like, they're hard people in Alaska.

01:56:35.000 Hard people.

01:56:36.000 Hard people.

01:56:37.000 Yeah.

01:56:38.000 Looked over his shoulder and continued fishing.

01:56:43.000 The bears in the park regularly walk up and down the riverbank searching for food and will dive into the water dozens of times per day.

01:56:49.000 See, the thing is, those bears have so much salmon.

01:56:52.000 They get so much meat that they just think of salmon as food. 1.00

01:56:56.000 Like, people are just a pain in the ass that might shoot them and kill them. 1.00

01:57:00.000 They're not interested in that as much. 1.00

01:57:01.000 That's what he said.

01:57:03.000 Yeah, they probably would have jumped right over me or walked right past me to get the salmon. 0.97

01:57:07.000 Yeah, I mean, that's why they're so big.

01:57:10.000 They get so much protein.

01:57:12.000 There's an insane amount of fish that come up that river, and that's why the salmon are there.

01:57:17.000 There's a great video of this guy.

01:57:21.000 He's got a camera set up and a bear walks right next to him and just sits down and it's like as close as where Jamie is. 0.98

01:57:28.000 And it's fucking huge. 0.95

01:57:30.000 It's so big. 0.99

01:57:31.000 This guy's got a lawn chair there.

01:57:32.000 He's like, hey bear, come on man, get out of here.

01:57:36.000 The bear is like 900 pounds or something and sits down right next to where Jamie is.

01:57:41.000 Just chilling.

01:57:43.000 And they look out onto the river itself and it's filled with bears.

01:57:46.000 It's like 40 bears in view because they're all just going through the salmon run.

01:57:49.000 That's insane.

01:57:50.000 It is insane.

01:57:51.000 That is insane.

01:57:53.000 Yeah, I lived up in Alaska for a year, and it was a whole different world.

01:57:57.000 It was a different world.

01:57:57.000 It was a whole different world.

01:57:58.000 It's barely America.

01:57:59.000 Yeah, it's a really nice place to visit.

01:58:05.000 I love Anchorage. 0.51

01:58:06.000 I've only been once, but man, I really enjoy the shit out of it.

01:58:09.000 When did you go up there? 0.70

01:58:11.000 I guess it was two, three years ago.

01:58:13.000 My friend Ari Shafir and I, we did some salmon fishing.

01:58:16.000 Then we did a couple shows up there.

01:58:18.000 We had a great time, man.

01:58:20.000 I think April to probably September is really awesome.

01:58:27.000 It's hard to sleep, though.

01:58:28.000 Yeah, I mean, because it's...

01:58:29.000 You've got to cover your eyes.

01:58:31.000 Like, it's weird.

01:58:32.000 Yeah.

01:58:32.000 Like, you're tired, and it looks like it's 2 o'clock in the afternoon.

01:58:35.000 Like, this is fucking strange. 0.92

01:58:36.000 That's pretty cool, though. 0.98

01:58:37.000 Yeah.

01:58:38.000 It doesn't get too warm up there, obviously.

01:58:41.000 But those mosquitoes are a gangster. 0.85

01:58:44.000 They should be, like, the state bird.

01:58:46.000 Yeah.

01:58:48.000 They're so big!

01:58:49.000 They're terrible.

01:58:50.000 They're so big and so aggressive. 0.94

01:58:52.000 They don't even make sense.

01:58:53.000 Yeah.

01:58:53.000 We got out of the car.

01:58:55.000 We got to the river and you pull up the trailhead and we got out of the car and we hadn't sprayed the bug spray on.

01:59:02.000 We opened up the door.

01:59:03.000 I was thinking, well, we'll get out.

01:59:05.000 I'll put my clothes on and then I'll spray myself with bug spray.

01:59:08.000 The moment we opened the door, the car was filled with 100 mosquitoes. 0.98

01:59:11.000 How the fuck did they even know we're here? 0.96

01:59:13.000 They just found us so quick. 0.99

01:59:15.000 Fresh blood. 1.00

01:59:16.000 Just open the door and it's like, Like fuck! 0.99

01:59:21.000 We're swatting and we're spraying bug spray inside the truck. 1.00

01:59:25.000 It's ridiculous.

01:59:26.000 That's so awesome. 0.93

01:59:27.000 Yeah, it's a crazy place to live, but it's also like when you're up there, you recognize like, oh, these people have a way closer relationship with the natural world than we do. 0.96

01:59:40.000 It gets cold as fuck in the winter. 0.96

01:59:42.000 They're surrounded by grizzly bears. 0.99

01:59:43.000 Moose are everywhere.

01:59:44.000 Deer are everywhere.

01:59:45.000 It's just a different relationship with wildlife.

01:59:49.000 Yeah, it's like, you know, and everything up there, like, the one thing I noticed is if whether you're going out to, there was a cabin, there was a cabin at Mount Denali, and so what we would do is we'd ride snow machines.

02:00:00.000 You'd have to park, and then you'd have to ride snow machines out to it.

02:00:02.000 And it's like everything you do up there is, it's like serious.

02:00:07.000 You know what I mean?

02:00:07.000 It's not, like, you better take it serious or you could die.

02:00:10.000 Yeah, everything.

02:00:11.000 Everything.

02:00:11.000 Everything, yeah.

02:00:12.000 You know, if you want to go fishing or, you know, on the river or whatever, like, it's all, it's all serious.

02:00:17.000 Yeah.

02:00:17.000 But it seems like the people have a different attitude.

02:00:20.000 What is this?

02:00:20.000 The mosquitoes there?

02:00:21.000 Oh my god!

02:00:23.000 That's in Alaska?

02:00:24.000 Yeah.

02:00:24.000 They can kill baby caribou.

02:00:26.000 Caribou calves? 1.00

02:00:27.000 Literally mosquitoes will sting them around their eyeballs and their assholes until they die. 1.00

02:00:33.000 Swarm engulfed scientists who recorded a god-awful phenomenon. 1.00

02:00:37.000 That's crazy.

02:00:37.000 Man, that's nature, right?

02:00:39.000 That's what happens when you only get to live for a couple months.

02:00:41.000 Yeah.

02:00:42.000 You just gotta go for it.

02:00:42.000 Go all out.

02:00:43.000 Yeah. 0.98

02:00:43.000 That's why in LA there's fucking zero mosquitoes. 0.98

02:00:46.000 They're just like chill. 0.99

02:00:48.000 Oh my god, look at this.

02:00:49.000 Legs are just covered. 1.00

02:00:50.000 They'll bite you right through your fucking pants. 1.00

02:00:52.000 They don't give a shit about your pants. 1.00

02:00:55.000 Look at that guy's foot. 1.00

02:00:56.000 Oh my god.

02:00:57.000 Click on the foot covered in mosquitoes.

02:01:01.000 That is crazy.

02:01:02.000 Oh, that is crazy.

02:01:03.000 Oh, my God.

02:01:04.000 That gives me the heebie-jeebies just looking at it.

02:01:07.000 Why is that guy letting that happen?

02:01:10.000 Backpacking with monster skeeters. 0.96

02:01:12.000 Yeah, they're doing it for the gram.

02:01:14.000 Imagine getting your feet lit up just for Instagram.

02:01:16.000 It's not worth it, man.

02:01:18.000 Keep your feet protected, bro.

02:01:20.000 It's too crazy.

02:01:22.000 They'll go right through your socks. 0.92

02:01:24.000 Oh, they're terrible. 1.00

02:01:24.000 They don't give a shit about clothes. 1.00

02:01:26.000 Clothes are not going to protect you. 0.99

02:01:27.000 Clothes.

02:01:27.000 Nope.

02:01:28.000 Not up there.

02:01:29.000 Do you get a chance to do much hunting these days?

02:01:32.000 You know, I haven't hunted much.

02:01:35.000 I haven't.

02:01:36.000 It's not since I've been home.

02:01:37.000 I used to.

02:01:38.000 I grew up hunting.

02:01:39.000 I grew up hunting.

02:01:41.000 You know, we've got a farm in Kentucky.

02:01:43.000 And so I grew up there hunting my whole life.

02:01:46.000 And I haven't hunted the ton since I've been home.

02:01:48.000 I've hunted...

02:01:48.000 I killed a Neil guy down on the King Ranch.

02:01:52.000 Oh, wow. 0.99

02:01:53.000 That's a big animal.

02:01:54.000 Yeah.

02:01:55.000 That's an elk-sized animal.

02:01:56.000 It's like a horse with horns.

02:01:57.000 Yeah.

02:01:58.000 Right?

02:01:58.000 Yeah.

02:01:58.000 It's beautiful.

02:02:00.000 Apparently, unbelievably delicious.

02:02:02.000 That's what I hear.

02:02:02.000 Yeah.

02:02:03.000 Beautiful.

02:02:03.000 It's a beautiful animal.

02:02:04.000 I killed a bear up in Alaska.

02:02:07.000 I've killed some deer since I've been home on the farm.

02:02:10.000 You killed a black bear? 0.63

02:02:11.000 I killed a black bear. 0.98

02:02:12.000 Yeah.

02:02:12.000 They're delicious, too.

02:02:13.000 Oddly enough, right?

02:02:14.000 Yeah.

02:02:14.000 People don't know.

02:02:15.000 Yeah.

02:02:16.000 They taste good.

02:02:17.000 Yeah.

02:02:19.000 That King Ranch is crazy.

02:02:21.000 How many acres is that thing? 0.98

02:02:23.000 I think it's almost a million.

02:02:24.000 I think that's what it is, right?

02:02:27.000 I think it's almost a million.

02:02:28.000 Texas is so strange.

02:02:29.000 I think it's almost a million acres.

02:02:32.000 I think it's the largest land.

02:02:34.000 1.225.

02:02:36.000 Yeah.

02:02:37.000 Yeah.

02:02:38.000 And the crazy thing is, is like, you're talking about, I got so fired up because, you know, I mean, I come from a farm and, you know, the deer there, it's not like they're, you know, they're not, we don't feed them, you know, we don't grow deer there, right?

02:02:51.000 Right.

02:02:51.000 And so you're driving out and literally you're getting out to open the gate, leaving the King Ranch and you look over to your right, you know, 10 feet off the road and there's, you know, a non-typical huge deer right there and you're like, I'd give anything to have that on my wall.

02:03:07.000 Yeah, but it's a weird thing, right?

02:03:08.000 Because they do feed them.

02:03:10.000 Oh, yeah.

02:03:10.000 It's almost like agriculture.

02:03:12.000 Yeah, they put out food plots and stuff like that.

02:03:15.000 Food plots make sense.

02:03:17.000 That's just plants that the animals eat.

02:03:19.000 But feeders. 0.85

02:03:20.000 Oh, feeders, yeah.

02:03:21.000 That's where I draw the line.

02:03:22.000 I'm like, okay, what are we doing here?

02:03:24.000 Is this agriculture or is this hunting?

02:03:26.000 Is it killing or hunting?

02:03:27.000 Even if it's a million acres, if it's a million acres in every, you know, 800, 900 yards, you have a feeder, and all the animals gather in the feeder, so you've got a blind that you hang out by the feeder.

02:03:37.000 Yeah, that's a Neil guy.

02:03:38.000 What is this, the King Ranch?

02:03:39.000 That's a Neil guy.

02:03:39.000 Yeah, that's a Neil guy.

02:03:40.000 Yeah.

02:03:41.000 How good were those things?

02:03:42.000 They were good.

02:03:43.000 I hear they're better than elk.

02:03:45.000 It was really good.

02:03:45.000 I hear it's insanely delicious.

02:03:47.000 Oh, it is so good.

02:03:48.000 I've never had elk, but...

02:03:49.000 Oh, I can take care of that.

02:03:50.000 How long are you in town for?

02:03:52.000 I'll leave out tonight.

02:03:53.000 Oh, I'll give you some in the freezer bag.

02:03:55.000 You can bring it home with you.

02:03:56.000 They were...

02:03:57.000 You know, so the thing about them is when you see them, they're running.

02:04:00.000 Uh-huh.

02:04:01.000 As soon as...

02:04:02.000 Well, they used to be around lions.

02:04:04.000 That's what's so crazy about Texas.

02:04:06.000 Like, they take all these African animals. 1.00

02:04:09.000 Like, you can hunt a fucking zebra in Texas. 1.00

02:04:11.000 Yep. 1.00

02:04:12.000 Zebra.

02:04:12.000 What?

02:04:13.000 Yeah.

02:04:14.000 Zebra?

02:04:15.000 What?

02:04:16.000 Why is there a zebra here?

02:04:17.000 And the zebras get out, too. 0.98

02:04:19.000 That's what's really fucked up. 0.96

02:04:20.000 They keep them in these high-fence ranches, but those fences break. 0.98

02:04:24.000 And then you got zebras just running around.

02:04:26.000 Running around.

02:04:26.000 Yeah, I got a buddy who has a farm who has elk down in Texas.

02:04:29.000 He's got elk on his farm because they got out.

02:04:32.000 They just came down the river.

02:04:33.000 Well, that's a real common thing in West Texas now, is elk.

02:04:37.000 There's quite a few of them.

02:04:38.000 And you look at some of the ranges where they hunt them, and it looks like you might as well be in Colorado or something like that.

02:04:46.000 It's weird.

02:04:47.000 Yeah.

02:04:47.000 And I got a buddy who, he has giraffes on his farm.

02:04:50.000 Two giraffes.

02:04:52.000 What is he doing with them?

02:04:53.000 They're just there for...

02:04:54.000 You can go feed the giraffes.

02:04:56.000 I had a bit in my act a couple years ago in my triggered Netflix special, triggered, about Texas and about how there's more tigers in captivity in Texas than in all of the wild of the world.

02:05:10.000 Really?

02:05:11.000 Yep.

02:05:11.000 More tigers in dudes' backyards!

02:05:15.000 In private collections, there's more tigers in Texas than all of the wilds of the world.

02:05:21.000 So these giraffes, I think the story behind them was, and don't quote me on it, but I think the story behind them was the zoos couldn't afford to feed them anymore, and so they brought them in and let them run, and so they feed them.

02:05:34.000 That makes sense.

02:05:35.000 Yes, like the zoos, I guess they couldn't afford to keep up with them or something.

02:05:39.000 That makes sense.

02:05:40.000 Yeah.

02:06:03.000 That's crazy.

02:06:08.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:06:19.000 That is such a fucked up thing to have in your yard. 1.00

02:06:22.000 You got a fucking tiger? 1.00

02:06:23.000 How much do you trust your fences? 1.00

02:06:25.000 I mean, what kind of fence control do they have?

02:06:27.000 Do they have fence regulations?

02:06:29.000 Surely they have to, right?

02:06:31.000 I don't know, man.

02:06:32.000 It's pretty nuts.

02:06:33.000 But there's a lot of them.

02:06:34.000 A lot of them there.

02:06:36.000 And, again, in so many people's backyard, no one really knows how many tigers there are.

02:06:42.000 Some people put the United States tiger population around 7,000.

02:06:45.000 Others say it's inflated by animal welfare activists to raise money.

02:06:50.000 Oh, of course.

02:06:51.000 That's what it is.

02:06:51.000 Of course, that's what they would think.

02:06:53.000 Making money.

02:06:54.000 There's a lot of them there, though, man.

02:06:55.000 I know a bunch of people that have seen tigers in people's yards in Texas.

02:07:00.000 In fact, there was a crazy story about these kids were smoking weed.

02:07:03.000 And they went into this abandoned house, and they go into the abandoned house, and inside the abandoned house is a tiger in a cage.

02:07:09.000 And they're like, wait, what? 0.98

02:07:11.000 So they walk into this fucking abandoned house trying to get high, and they find a tiger. 0.99

02:07:17.000 That's almost like The Hangover, right? 1.00

02:07:20.000 Yes!

02:07:20.000 Really similar.

02:07:22.000 Yeah, I mean, did you find that story? 0.99

02:07:24.000 Yeah, it's a fucking crazy story. 0.99

02:07:26.000 These kids are just trying to smoke a little weed. 1.00

02:07:28.000 Escape from life.

02:07:29.000 Tiger found in an abandoned house by a person who just wanted to smoke pot.

02:07:34.000 That's crazy.

02:07:35.000 Yeah.

02:07:35.000 That's Tiger, baby.

02:07:37.000 That's Tigers in Texas.

02:07:38.000 That's so awesome.

02:07:40.000 So, listen, man.

02:07:42.000 It's been an honor having you on.

02:07:43.000 I appreciate you having me.

02:07:44.000 I'm glad we finally got a chance to do it.

02:07:46.000 And let's get you out.

02:07:48.000 I want to get you out with John Dudley.

02:07:50.000 Take you out on one of these hunts that we do.

02:07:51.000 It'd be great.

02:07:52.000 I'd love to do so much.

02:07:53.000 Let everybody know if you have social media.

02:07:56.000 I do, I do.

02:07:57.000 I'm on Instagram, Dakota Meyer0317.

02:08:01.000 I'm on Facebook, Dakota Meyer, so, yeah.

02:08:05.000 And all the information about all these things that you're involved with is all there?

02:08:08.000 Yeah, everything's there.

02:08:08.000 Absolutely, all of it's there.

02:08:09.000 Beautiful.

02:08:09.000 Thank you, brother.

02:08:10.000 Thank you, appreciate it.

02:08:10.000 Thanks so much, man.

02:08:11.000 Thanks for being here.

02:08:11.000 Appreciate it.

02:08:12.000 Bye, everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience - October 08, 2019

Joe Rogan Experience #1363 - Dakota Meyer

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