The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1365 - Cameron Hanes

00:00:00.000 Three, two, one.

00:00:02.000 Cameron Haynes, ladies and gentlemen.

00:00:04.000 Hey, what's up?

00:00:04.000 Nice shirt, buddy.

00:00:06.000 That's a ridiculous shirt. 0.91

00:00:09.000 That's you and me in Utah, and it says, must be nice. 0.98

00:00:12.000 Yeah.

00:00:13.000 Because...

00:00:14.000 Yeah, you know, everybody says, they look at somebody and they'll be like, man, it must be nice to whatever.

00:00:20.000 To be able to have that, or get this, or be able to go there.

00:00:23.000 Yeah.

00:00:24.000 So it's like, you know, we obviously have a great elk hunt.

00:00:28.000 I see a couple of comments, and it's like people saying, must be nice, which it is.

00:00:33.000 It's amazing, but...

00:00:34.000 Yeah, so just kind of...

00:00:36.000 I think you read too many comments.

00:00:37.000 That's what I'm saying.

00:00:38.000 I think you read too many.

00:00:41.000 Why do you think I read them?

00:00:42.000 You've always said that.

00:00:43.000 I think you do.

00:00:44.000 You never catch me reading them, though, do you?

00:00:46.000 You've mentioned comments before to me.

00:00:48.000 I catch them if they're in the top.

00:00:51.000 You sent me a comment the other day, and it said...

00:00:54.000 Oh, that was because my wife sent it to me.

00:00:56.000 It was hilarious.

00:00:56.000 Oh, yeah.

00:00:57.000 That was after the video of you and I, where we're celebrating, and you go, I love this man.

00:01:02.000 I'm like, I love this man.

00:01:03.000 Yeah.

00:01:03.000 And someone said, I always wonder what it would look like if Cameron Haynes and Joe Rogan had a baby, and we almost found out...

00:01:13.000 That was a good one.

00:01:15.000 Every once in a while, you get a gem.

00:01:17.000 Yeah, dude. 0.99

00:01:18.000 The internet is filled with funny fucking people, man. 0.99

00:01:20.000 There's a lot of frustrated comedians out there that get to express themselves occasionally in comments. 0.99

00:01:27.000 I sometimes answer because I feel like I'm let off the hook a little bit because it's not like I'm making a post calling somebody a dipshit, but I can say a comment and it kind of sneaks through.

00:01:40.000 But why do you want to?

00:01:41.000 Or just be funny.

00:01:42.000 You're so busy.

00:01:43.000 That's what I don't understand.

00:01:45.000 How do you have the time?

00:01:46.000 With a full-time job, it's normal that you run a marathon in a day. 0.99

00:01:51.000 So how the fuck do you have the time to be commenting? 0.99

00:01:54.000 I don't know. 0.98

00:01:55.000 Well, we're waiting out here right now on the plane.

00:01:58.000 I don't know.

00:01:59.000 Times of boredom.

00:02:00.000 I guess so.

00:02:01.000 Yeah.

00:02:01.000 Yeah, it's all good.

00:02:03.000 It's fun.

00:02:03.000 Look, hey man, I know a lot of people that read their comments.

00:02:06.000 You know, and smart people.

00:02:07.000 Eric Weinstein was making an argument that you probably should read some of them.

00:02:11.000 That there's like, and you know, he's a genius.

00:02:13.000 He was saying like, you don't want to be cut off completely from feedback.

00:02:17.000 So you have to find that sweet spot between reading some.

00:02:20.000 Yeah.

00:02:21.000 And I'm like, I feel like other people read them.

00:02:23.000 I'll get them.

00:02:23.000 They'll come to me.

00:02:25.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:02:25.000 No, the good ones people share with you.

00:02:27.000 Yeah.

00:02:27.000 Or, yeah.

00:02:28.000 But I know some people who go crazy.

00:02:30.000 They read their comments and then they become obsessed.

00:02:32.000 Yeah.

00:02:32.000 And then they read them all day long.

00:02:34.000 Then they go and they have these little Twitter wars with people back and forth.

00:02:37.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:02:37.000 And they just argue all the time.

00:02:40.000 Yeah.

00:02:40.000 There's sometimes where, I mean, like I posted a couple times yesterday and I don't think...

00:02:45.000 I don't think I read any until maybe this morning.

00:02:49.000 I don't post and then just totally check them every second.

00:02:54.000 Refresh, refresh.

00:02:55.000 But every now and then there's something nice.

00:02:57.000 I saw this dude that we were talking about in the last podcast.

00:02:59.000 I reached out to him.

00:03:01.000 He lost...

00:03:02.000 How much weight did that guy lose, Jamie?

00:03:04.000 He went from like 417 to 198. So I sent him a DM. I'm like, I'm sending this guy a DM. That's fucking amazing, man.

00:03:12.000 It is. 0.99

00:03:12.000 It's amazing. 0.99

00:03:13.000 Congratulations.

00:03:14.000 You do see people because like when you reach, okay, you're going to reach millions of people. 0.96

00:03:20.000 There's going to be a few dipshits, but there's also going to be a few like that. 0.60

00:03:24.000 Or it's just like, oh my God, this is, I mean, how impactful is that? 0.93

00:03:28.000 That's like, it affects your life, you know, because it's so positive.

00:03:32.000 Yeah.

00:03:32.000 Well, one of the things that you do online that I think is super important is you provide inspiration.

00:03:38.000 You know, we were talking yesterday when I had Dakota Meyer on. 0.93

00:03:40.000 We were talking about Goggins and Jocko.

00:03:43.000 And you do the same thing.

00:03:44.000 It's like you provide something where people, they can see you working hard and they see you smiling and getting after it.

00:03:52.000 And it makes people want to do things. 0.98

00:03:55.000 And when they know that you're doing these 100-mile races and all this crazy shit that you do... 0.95

00:03:59.000 It gives them just enough of a push to get off the couch and get going. 0.93

00:04:04.000 And sometimes that's all someone needs to change their whole life.

00:04:07.000 You need a day.

00:04:08.000 A good day.

00:04:10.000 A good day where you get moving and you get your legs pumping and you get huffing and puffing and you get your heart rate up and you sweat and then afterwards you feel great and you go, okay, tomorrow I'm going to do it again.

00:04:21.000 Yeah.

00:04:39.000 Yeah, I mean, it builds that momentum, and the journey of a thousand miles begins with one step, and that one step is one day, or maybe the first step on your first run.

00:04:49.000 But I see that all the time, too, because I genuinely enjoy working hard, and so I am smiling.

00:04:58.000 And it's like people say, okay...

00:05:01.000 Enough's enough.

00:05:03.000 I've been watching you for whatever.

00:05:05.000 I'm going to do it.

00:05:06.000 And so it's like, I don't know if you beat them into submission finally, but whatever the case is, For whatever reason people get out there, they do.

00:05:16.000 And then it starts that journey, like you said, towards a different life, essentially.

00:05:21.000 I joke around about it on stage, about accidentally influencing dudes.

00:05:25.000 And I apologize to the girlfriends.

00:05:27.000 But there is a certain amount of responsibility that you have to assume when that starts happening.

00:05:35.000 When you do have a positive impact on people, you realize, like, hey, you know, this...

00:05:41.000 This show, having people like you and Jocko and Andy Stumpf and all kinds of interesting, fascinating people on, directly influences people's lives for the better and changes the way they view things for the better.

00:05:53.000 Gives them a positive outlook.

00:05:54.000 And it also gives them the opportunity to hear from people the way people think that maybe they would never get to meet these people in real life.

00:06:03.000 They would never get to know these people.

00:06:05.000 But they feel like they know you or them or who...

00:06:07.000 You know, that's the one thing I love about Jocko, too, is, you know, just the shot of his watch every day.

00:06:14.000 I mean, you know he's up at 4.30 and he's getting it done.

00:06:19.000 Yeah.

00:06:19.000 No excuses.

00:06:20.000 None.

00:06:21.000 Yeah.

00:06:22.000 And he's just— And that's—I think that accountability is probably accountability for him, but also it's like the people know, okay, hey, this is what we need to expect of ourselves.

00:06:30.000 Yeah.

00:06:31.000 Someone—a guy said— I don't like following Jocko, because all it does is take pictures of his watch.

00:06:36.000 I'm like, you're missing the point, man.

00:06:37.000 That's a new picture.

00:06:39.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:06:39.000 It's a new picture every goddamn day of a new day with his fucking watch getting up and getting after it. 1.00

00:06:45.000 And then afterwards, there's a puddle of sweat in the ground. 1.00

00:06:47.000 Yeah.

00:06:48.000 And he's doing it every day.

00:06:49.000 Yeah.

00:06:50.000 And that's good for you.

00:06:51.000 It's impressive.

00:06:52.000 It's like...

00:06:52.000 And that was...

00:06:53.000 I had never met him until our Elk Hunt, Utah.

00:06:57.000 And...

00:06:58.000 Man, people ask, hey, so how is Jocko?

00:07:01.000 And I'm like, exactly like what you said.

00:07:03.000 I mean, what he says and how he portrays himself, that's how he is.

00:07:08.000 That's how he is.

00:07:09.000 And he's like, you know, they had that day.

00:07:11.000 They were expecting a long day of blood trailing or just covering miles on the mountains.

00:07:17.000 And he's like, he couldn't wait.

00:07:19.000 Yeah, I was looking forward to it.

00:07:20.000 He couldn't wait.

00:07:21.000 He ate three plates of meatloaf.

00:07:22.000 He did.

00:07:23.000 He carved loads.

00:07:24.000 I mean, he's like, hey, I'm going to need these.

00:07:25.000 But yeah, big old plates of food. 0.95

00:07:27.000 But he said, and I remember this specifically, he said, what sucks is when it doesn't suck. 0.96

00:07:35.000 He wants the challenge.

00:07:36.000 If something without a challenge is like, what's the point?

00:07:39.000 Yeah, he's turned his mind into this challenge-seeking missile.

00:07:43.000 Yeah.

00:07:44.000 Well, that's why I love the fact that he, at 45 years of age, or 46, whatever he is, decided to get into bow hunting hardcore, and a year in, he's taking on this crazy elk hunt.

00:07:55.000 I know.

00:07:55.000 In Utah.

00:07:56.000 I mean, it's awesome.

00:07:57.000 That was amazing.

00:07:58.000 It's awesome.

00:07:59.000 I love when people are not scared to take on new challenges, like something that's completely outside their wheelhouse.

00:08:05.000 When he started shooting, And he got together with Dudley and Dudley started giving him some instruction.

00:08:10.000 I got pumped because I knew, I'm like, this guy's going to dive into this head first.

00:08:15.000 Right.

00:08:15.000 You know?

00:08:16.000 Yeah, it's that discipline, I think, guys like you and him.

00:08:20.000 It's just easy transition.

00:08:21.000 Because you've had the, like, and I always say this, Bowhunting's done this for me.

00:08:26.000 It gave me...

00:08:28.000 Discipline or structure when I didn't have any.

00:08:30.000 And I think jujitsu did that for you, too.

00:08:33.000 No, it wasn't jujitsu then.

00:08:35.000 Taekwondo started out, kickboxing, a lot of different martial arts.

00:08:38.000 Yeah, so it's different, but it's the same type of discipline for young.

00:08:43.000 I mean, I guess it was young for us, but it's a transition to people to have that mindset.

00:08:49.000 And they know that I'm going to have to punch this time clock.

00:08:53.000 Every day for a while before I get to a high level.

00:08:58.000 And it's just like a certain type of personality or people, they don't shy away from that.

00:09:04.000 They gravitate towards it.

00:09:06.000 Well, it's also being able to pull it together in the moment, which to me, I've always sought challenges.

00:09:14.000 Where it requires you to maintain your mental state.

00:09:19.000 Whether it's stand-up comedy or fighting.

00:09:22.000 And to me, archery might be the ultimate.

00:09:24.000 Bow hunting is the ultimate.

00:09:26.000 Because in these moments where that bull is going to be in between those two trees for five seconds.

00:09:32.000 And you've got to draw back and make that shot.

00:09:34.000 These are crazy moments that you have to have practiced.

00:09:38.000 You have to put in the time.

00:09:40.000 There's no substitution.

00:09:41.000 I don't think people who haven't done it realize how difficult it is.

00:09:45.000 And then I think people who've done it, they definitely know how hard it is.

00:09:49.000 That is one of the, as you mentioned, one of the hardest things to do.

00:09:52.000 But that's why that video of you in Utah, 67 yards.

00:09:57.000 And it was just like we had been in on bulls, like had opportunity...

00:10:04.000 From the moment, the beginning of the morning. 0.99

00:10:06.000 Yeah, it was a rough ass. 1.00

00:10:07.000 It was a rough ass. 1.00

00:10:08.000 Crazy day. 0.99

00:10:08.000 But these opportunities were like right there. 0.99

00:10:10.000 Oh, you could almost grab them.

00:10:12.000 And they were gone.

00:10:14.000 And it didn't happen.

00:10:16.000 And in that one, just enough time.

00:10:18.000 But he's like, you had to do it all.

00:10:20.000 You know, like the clock's ticking.

00:10:22.000 Like it's not, you don't have unlimited time.

00:10:26.000 That bull takes a step.

00:10:27.000 It's over.

00:10:29.000 And for you to make that shot so perfect in crunch time, that was such a beautiful thing. 0.82

00:10:35.000 That's why it elicited the orgy-type response.

00:10:41.000 Well, that's also why I said afterwards practice is so important.

00:10:44.000 It's always thinking.

00:10:45.000 Yeah, that's what you said.

00:10:46.000 You said practice, something about practice.

00:10:48.000 And it's like that's what it goes down.

00:10:50.000 So that's the building block.

00:10:51.000 Yeah.

00:10:52.000 And it's just those reps because you can't – I guess you could make a lucky shot.

00:10:57.000 But the chances of screwing that up are very high unless you got the reps.

00:11:03.000 Yeah.

00:11:03.000 Yeah, my thought process when I was making that shot was exactly the thought process that I go through when I'm practicing.

00:11:12.000 And when I executed and I saw that arrow hit exactly where I was aiming, that's the first thought that came into my mind.

00:11:20.000 Practice is so important.

00:11:22.000 Well, and then I was impressed because you actually made notes to yourself on your phone.

00:11:26.000 So walk me through your procedure, your process.

00:11:32.000 I even added to it today.

00:11:34.000 Oh, you did?

00:11:35.000 Yeah, because there's a certain way I like to grip the release that I didn't put in.

00:11:41.000 Yeah.

00:11:41.000 So, back straight, strong posture, draw back, elbow high, light pressure on the nose, center the peep, level the bubble.

00:11:51.000 Now, this is the new one that I added. 0.99

00:11:53.000 Connect the fuck you finger to the thumb, because this finger has to connect to the thumb on the release as I pull back. 1.00

00:11:59.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:12:00.000 Because I use that silverback release.

00:12:02.000 Yeah.

00:12:02.000 I pull back with the index trigger, pick a spot, pull with the scapula, and then the last one, be the arrow.

00:12:09.000 Right.

00:12:09.000 You know who taught me that?

00:12:10.000 Remy Warren.

00:12:11.000 So what does that mean?

00:12:12.000 Remy Warren said, well, the whole thing?

00:12:14.000 No, no, no.

00:12:15.000 Be the arrow.

00:12:17.000 I'm not hoping that it hits in that spot.

00:12:21.000 I'm aiming.

00:12:24.000 I'm concentrating 100% on that arrow going to that spot.

00:12:29.000 Remy Warren said that to me one time.

00:12:31.000 He goes, this sounds crazy, but someone gave me this advice and it's like the best advice anybody ever gave me.

00:12:35.000 He said, be the arrow.

00:12:36.000 Yeah.

00:12:37.000 He goes like, I don't know what that means, but I use that.

00:12:39.000 It might mean different things to different people.

00:12:41.000 Yeah.

00:12:42.000 But to you, it means, yeah, you're so in the moment.

00:12:46.000 Yes.

00:12:46.000 You're the arrow.

00:12:47.000 I'm 100%.

00:12:48.000 When that arrow's released, I'm a part of it as it's going towards that arrow.

00:12:53.000 Right.

00:12:54.000 Be the arrow.

00:12:55.000 Like, don't just, oh, I hope it works.

00:12:57.000 I got that from Joel Turner as well.

00:12:59.000 Joel Turner has that Shot IQ website, and he goes over, and he helped me a lot, because he goes over the difference between a closed loop and an open loop process.

00:13:09.000 I always forget which one is which, but one of them is automatic.

00:13:13.000 You know, like a ball comes at you, you swing a bat.

00:13:16.000 You can't stop in the process.

00:13:18.000 And the other one is you're in control of it every step of the way, and that's where a shot routine helps me.

00:13:24.000 Because I'm making sure that all my things are checked off, so there's no chance I'm doing anything wacky.

00:13:31.000 There's no chance you're spazzing out in the moment.

00:13:34.000 Yeah.

00:13:34.000 And so those two things, and then what Remy said, be the arrow.

00:13:40.000 That sounds like, to someone who's never shot an arrow, that doesn't make any sense.

00:13:43.000 But there's a thing that you do when you release an arrow where you're so focused.

00:13:49.000 Your technique is on point.

00:13:51.000 Everything's lined up, but you're so focused as you're releasing that arrow.

00:13:55.000 You never break that focus.

00:13:57.000 The only way I could break it was when I heard the arrow whack, and I saw it hit right in the sweet spot.

00:14:03.000 I was like...

00:14:04.000 Now I can relax.

00:14:05.000 Yeah.

00:14:05.000 Well, and I remember, and I said this at that time, but I remember your follow through.

00:14:10.000 It was just like, so I remember that arm coming back and it was just, I don't know.

00:14:15.000 It's, you know, and I think that's where a lot of people make mistakes is if you're new in it and there's so much pressure in the moment, in that moment, and you've thought about it for so long that it's just like, The pin goes on the animal and they punch the trigger because they want to be there before they went through the process.

00:14:36.000 And so that's where people screw up.

00:14:39.000 And that whole thing, you making that an actual process, each step.

00:14:47.000 But I think, I don't know, do you do it or is it subconscious?

00:14:51.000 Do you think about all those steps?

00:14:53.000 I was thinking about all those steps while I was walking.

00:14:55.000 Okay, gotcha.

00:14:56.000 While I'm going through the woods, I'm thinking about those steps.

00:14:59.000 But on the shot...

00:14:59.000 On the shot, it was almost automatic.

00:15:02.000 Yeah, subconscious.

00:15:03.000 But that's why I said practice is so important because it's like I'd practiced it so many times that I just looked at that elk like it was a target.

00:15:09.000 Yeah.

00:15:09.000 I knew what to do.

00:15:11.000 But it was only because of the reps.

00:15:13.000 Reps, reps, reps, reps, reps, reps.

00:15:16.000 That moment was so crazy because we had that bull, and I don't know if it was that bull, but it was a big bull.

00:15:24.000 But we were stuck over more to the left, and we could see him up there.

00:15:30.000 We had these little smaller satellite bulls kind of in the way. 0.89

00:15:33.000 We were in the sun, which was driving me crazy.

00:15:35.000 So we ended up having to circle all the way back around and get back up there.

00:15:39.000 Had a line of spruce we could sneak up.

00:15:42.000 But it was, you know, those bulls, the bull you shot went and fought with another bull for a brief time.

00:15:48.000 And we were switching back and forth which one to shoot because they were both big bulls.

00:15:52.000 And it's just like, just to be able to slow that down and make such a perfect shot in a moment like that.

00:15:59.000 Oh my God, it's so hard.

00:16:00.000 It was so awesome.

00:16:02.000 Yeah, it was so amazing, but it's so hard.

00:16:04.000 Oh, this is it?

00:16:06.000 Yeah.

00:16:07.000 He just got done fighting with a bull.

00:16:15.000 Nice shot! 0.99

00:16:16.000 Oh my god, dude!

00:16:17.000 So he runs, you can't see it in this film, he runs up this ridge right here and boom, he's down right there.

00:16:24.000 I mean, a couple seconds later.

00:16:27.000 But this is everything that you hope for as a bow hunter.

00:16:30.000 I see a lot of people who haven't hunted, they're under the impression that Maybe as soon as the arrow hits the animal, how come it didn't go down?

00:16:42.000 You know what I mean?

00:16:43.000 Because they just don't know.

00:16:44.000 So that bull was alive for seconds after that, essentially.

00:16:49.000 He ran up, probably went about 100 yards.

00:16:52.000 He ran until there was no more air.

00:16:54.000 Both of his lungs were gone.

00:16:55.000 Right, right.

00:16:57.000 He never knew what happened.

00:16:58.000 He probably thought he got jabbed by another bull or something.

00:17:00.000 Yeah, because he was just fighting with that other bull.

00:17:03.000 And they take tines to the shoulder and everything.

00:17:06.000 Oh, he had holes in them, remember?

00:17:07.000 All the time.

00:17:08.000 He was beat up.

00:17:09.000 Yeah, all his holes in them.

00:17:11.000 But a lot of times bulls get shot with an arrow and they don't even realize it.

00:17:16.000 All of a sudden their blood pressure drops because it's hemorrhaging and then they essentially pass out, but then they die.

00:17:22.000 Well, the bull that I shot last year in California, that's what happened to him.

00:17:25.000 He walked four yards.

00:17:26.000 He just walked four yards and tipped over.

00:17:28.000 Boom! 0.99

00:17:28.000 And he dropped right there. 0.99

00:17:29.000 I mean, it was the closest to shooting an animal where he died that I've ever seen.

00:17:34.000 He just died immediately.

00:17:35.000 I hit him right in the heart.

00:17:37.000 Yeah, and I think it's, you know, people might be more familiar with rifle kills, and maybe they think that they, but even with a rifle, they don't go right down. 0.99

00:17:45.000 And I think it's like a rifle is even, can be, you know, they hear the sound, a rifle will kill by shock instead of hemorrhage, so it's, you know, shit's getting blown apart. 0.86

00:17:57.000 I think a well-placed arrow is about as beautiful death as an animal's going to get. 0.98

00:18:05.000 Yeah, I mean, these aren't animals that are living in a controlled environment where they're going to die of old age.

00:18:10.000 They're going to get torn apart by animals.

00:18:12.000 And in fact, John Dudley, while he was there, was 20 yards away from a mountain lion that was stalking the same bull he was.

00:18:19.000 Right.

00:18:19.000 Which is crazy.

00:18:20.000 Do you see that lion footage I put up?

00:18:22.000 So there's lions all over there.

00:18:23.000 All over there.

00:18:24.000 And chances are, it's going to be...

00:18:27.000 Death by a lion.

00:18:29.000 And that usually will happen once they get weak because they can't fend off.

00:18:33.000 They get injured.

00:18:35.000 Maybe they're too old to get the feed they need in the winter.

00:18:39.000 And then they're lion food.

00:18:41.000 And they also get jacked because they're blowing out all their energy while they're in the rut.

00:18:47.000 And they don't eat.

00:18:49.000 They're just humping up a storm.

00:18:50.000 And then when it's over, they're just like, oh, Jesus.

00:18:53.000 And then the winter comes.

00:18:54.000 Oh, I know.

00:18:55.000 It's a perfect storm.

00:18:55.000 Right on the heels.

00:18:56.000 Yeah, it's rough.

00:18:57.000 It's a rough life out there.

00:18:59.000 But that's why I say it's like death by a well-placed arrow is, you know, people say, well, people have the impression that these things aren't going to die ever, or they're going to live like we live.

00:19:10.000 Right.

00:19:10.000 Well, they also don't understand that all the money that's spent on this elk hunt, all of it goes to ensure the healthy populations of these animals.

00:19:17.000 Most of it.

00:19:18.000 Most of it goes to wildlife preservation.

00:19:20.000 It goes to keeping the habitat strong, the numbers strong.

00:19:24.000 And this is what pays for...

00:19:27.000 If people love animals, you should love hunters because hunters pay for most of the wildlife conservation in this country.

00:19:33.000 Yeah.

00:19:34.000 You know, and that message is...

00:19:36.000 Of course, we've talked about that numerous times, but that message is...

00:19:46.000 We're good to go.

00:20:09.000 And so, people are figuring it out.

00:20:12.000 I mean, we're getting the message out, so that's good.

00:20:15.000 Yeah, I mean, there's so many different messages that you hear, stats, you know, about meat consumption and food and, like, what's bad for the environment, what's good for the environment.

00:20:27.000 There's so many, like, small little sound bites that people like to rally off.

00:20:31.000 Yeah.

00:20:31.000 And this is something that's...

00:20:35.000 Without a doubt, it's the best way you could ever get your meat.

00:20:39.000 It's not even a close second.

00:20:42.000 It's the best way.

00:20:43.000 These animals, by the time you get into them in the rut, they're already breeding.

00:20:47.000 And the ones we're getting, they're eight, nine years old.

00:20:50.000 They've already had multiple...

00:20:53.000 Yeah, in their prime.

00:21:16.000 Just wanted to hunt.

00:21:17.000 Wanted to get my buck.

00:21:18.000 Hey, you get your buck.

00:21:19.000 That's all I wanted to do is get my buck.

00:21:21.000 But now, the meat is, man, it's as much as the antlers for sure.

00:21:28.000 Just getting that meat, hundreds of pounds of meat, bringing it home, eating it, fuels us for everything we do.

00:21:37.000 And it's like, to me, I mean...

00:21:40.000 At our age, we're the same age now, but not long ago, our age was old.

00:21:45.000 We were dead.

00:21:46.000 Yeah, I don't feel...

00:21:47.000 I feel better than I've ever felt.

00:21:49.000 And I'm just like, if I was 25, I didn't feel as good as I feel right now.

00:21:55.000 And maybe that's wild game meat.

00:21:57.000 I don't know.

00:21:57.000 I guarantee you it has something to do with it.

00:21:59.000 I guarantee you.

00:22:00.000 And don't...

00:22:00.000 I mean, how do you feel?

00:22:02.000 I feel fucking fantastic. 0.92

00:22:04.000 52. I had a hard run this morning right before my podcast. 0.78

00:22:07.000 Yeah.

00:22:07.000 Yeah, man.

00:22:08.000 I think it's the most nutrient-dense food that you can ever get.

00:22:12.000 I mean, you just look at it.

00:22:13.000 When you look at a backstrap from an elk, it's like a dark red.

00:22:17.000 It looks like it's filled with nutrition.

00:22:20.000 It tastes so good.

00:22:21.000 Like, when you're eating it, I feel like energy.

00:22:24.000 Yeah.

00:22:25.000 It's hard to describe, but it's just a way better meat.

00:22:29.000 It's just way better.

00:22:30.000 I was watching.

00:22:31.000 I took video of Colton pulling out the tenderloin of your bowl because people don't understand how you can get, without gutting it, you can get the tenderloins out, which are under the spine.

00:22:40.000 Yeah.

00:22:42.000 When he pulls that out, it's just like, I mean, if a sound bite could have came in or something, it's like beautiful.

00:22:53.000 It's like there should have been doves flying around because that piece of meat looked so perfect.

00:22:59.000 And it's just like, like you say, when you eat it, it's like...

00:23:02.000 I don't know.

00:23:02.000 It's like energy injection.

00:23:04.000 Well, they've done studies on game meat versus domestic beef.

00:23:09.000 They've also done studies on domestic beef that's raised on grain versus domestic beef that's raised on grass.

00:23:16.000 Domestic beef that's raised on grain is probably like the least nutritious.

00:23:19.000 And then domestic beef that's raised on grass is far superior, much healthier.

00:23:24.000 But then you go with wild game meat.

00:23:27.000 Yeah.

00:23:27.000 I mean, it's another 100% more nutritious.

00:23:30.000 It's way more protein.

00:23:32.000 Like, the difference between a piece of beef and a piece of...

00:23:34.000 Pull up the difference between, like, one pound of beef versus one pound of elk.

00:23:40.000 I think it's more than double the amount of protein.

00:23:43.000 Really?

00:23:43.000 Yeah, and then there's also insane amounts of amino acids and essential fatty acids.

00:23:49.000 Like, you're getting all the grass-fed...

00:23:53.000 This animal's eating wild grasses.

00:23:55.000 This animal's eating the same diet it would have eaten 4,000 years ago.

00:23:59.000 Yeah.

00:23:59.000 I remember when I used to hunt elk in the Eagle Cap Wilderness, I remember I used to think those elk were like high octane because they were so fast compared to the bulls I hunted over in Western Oregon.

00:24:12.000 And I always thought that it was just that feed must be...

00:24:16.000 I don't know.

00:24:16.000 It just seemed like the elk were different and quicker.

00:24:19.000 And so I'm thinking, well, if I'm eating those bulls and those bulls are elite athletes for bulls, it's like this can't – I mean, it's got to be amazing.

00:24:28.000 It's got to be amazing for me.

00:24:29.000 Well, it makes sense because the Eagle Cap Wilderness is like rich, dense forest.

00:24:34.000 Yeah.

00:24:34.000 Right?

00:24:34.000 It's so green up there.

00:24:36.000 Yeah.

00:24:37.000 They call it the Little Alps.

00:24:39.000 I mean, it's rugged and it's steep, but there is good feed up there, too, for the animals.

00:24:46.000 And it's like, man, those bulls there?

00:24:49.000 They're studs.

00:24:49.000 Amazing.

00:24:50.000 Yeah, they are.

00:24:51.000 Yeah.

00:24:51.000 It's rough country, though.

00:24:53.000 Yeah.

00:24:53.000 It's rough country.

00:24:54.000 Well, I mean, that's where they live.

00:24:55.000 You know, what's interesting is before people came around, elk were like prairie animals.

00:24:59.000 Yeah.

00:24:59.000 Yeah, they were, right.

00:25:01.000 They moved to the mountains because of humans.

00:25:04.000 Yeah.

00:25:04.000 And then wolves and all these other animals.

00:25:07.000 But when the pioneers first came here, there's elks were just roaming the fields.

00:25:12.000 Yeah.

00:25:13.000 Which is kind of crazy.

00:25:14.000 Yeah, that is.

00:25:14.000 Yeah.

00:25:15.000 But they wised up. 1.00

00:25:17.000 Like, look, we got to make it harder on these assholes. 1.00

00:25:19.000 They got into the rocks for sure up in the mountains. 1.00

00:25:22.000 What do you got, Jamie?

00:25:25.000 I don't know.

00:25:27.000 Varying information.

00:25:31.000 Varying information.

00:25:32.000 Anyway, super good for you.

00:25:34.000 Yeah, it doesn't say it's bad for you or anything.

00:25:36.000 No.

00:25:37.000 Yeah, well, that's the thing about, you know, there's like not one standard website that's good for nutrition and figuring out.

00:25:45.000 Yeah, I know.

00:25:46.000 You can pretty much have anything validated you want validated on the internet.

00:25:51.000 Well, you know, it's interesting.

00:25:53.000 I was listening to Ranella talk recently about this horrendous trip that they had in the backcountry because there were so many hunters during muzzleloader and archery season.

00:26:04.000 This year?

00:26:04.000 Yeah, in Colorado.

00:26:06.000 Yeah.

00:26:06.000 And I wonder, like...

00:26:09.000 I wonder how much us talking about it all the time is affecting the numbers of people that actually go out and try it.

00:26:17.000 Because you just stop and think about the numbers of people listening to this podcast.

00:26:21.000 It's a bananas number.

00:26:23.000 It's millions and millions of people.

00:26:25.000 Well, the feedback I see is like there's, you know, and they say, because I just had this talk with my buddy Wayne Indicott.

00:26:32.000 You know Wayne.

00:26:33.000 I was out at his place shooting the other day.

00:26:36.000 And, you know, it says we've lost since 2016 2 million licensed hunters.

00:26:42.000 And I told him, I said...

00:26:45.000 I don't know where we lost them from, but bow hunting has got to—because he owns the bow rack.

00:26:51.000 And bow hunting is skyrocketing.

00:26:53.000 Because I see—I mean, I see the following and people talking about it, like you mentioned.

00:26:58.000 And he said he was in Colorado, too, looking for elk and ran into like 10 different guys back there.

00:27:06.000 So, yeah, there is— Yeah, I don't really...

00:27:10.000 I think people are looking at it more as like a pursuit, like a difficult pursuit.

00:27:15.000 Yeah.

00:27:15.000 Not just hunting for meat.

00:27:16.000 No, it's different now.

00:27:18.000 Yeah.

00:27:18.000 It's like, it's...

00:27:19.000 Yeah, it's changed.

00:27:21.000 Yeah, I wonder if that's because of us talking about it.

00:27:24.000 It's had to have some sort of an impact.

00:27:26.000 I think it's had an impact for sure.

00:27:28.000 And then I'm...

00:27:29.000 So I'm trying to think.

00:27:30.000 I don't want to...

00:27:32.000 You know, but then on the other hand...

00:27:34.000 So in the Eagle Cap Wilderness...

00:27:36.000 My buddy was back there and he said, you need to come back here and hunt again.

00:27:43.000 And I'm like, yeah, I know.

00:27:45.000 The thing with the wilderness is if you do a commercial activity, you can't even share the photos because they won't give a permit for it.

00:27:54.000 That's why I had to quit filming back there.

00:27:57.000 They made it illegal to film and release it as a commercial property.

00:28:01.000 Well, even me with my following now, I couldn't even put up a photo from back there.

00:28:06.000 Because it would be commercial just because you have sponsors?

00:28:09.000 Yeah, and they're making it seem like you're back there shooting a full-length feature film.

00:28:13.000 You know what I mean?

00:28:13.000 It's like they don't differentiate between shooting a movie or an iPhone.

00:28:18.000 So what we shot in Utah, you couldn't have done?

00:28:21.000 No.

00:28:22.000 Wow, that's crazy.

00:28:23.000 Not in the wilderness.

00:28:24.000 In the National Forest, yeah.

00:28:27.000 Wilderness, they won't allow filming permits.

00:28:31.000 But anyway, he said, I go, man, I've got so many good elk hunts on tap.

00:28:37.000 He knows I love that country.

00:28:40.000 And he goes, well...

00:28:42.000 He goes, just for old times sake, he goes, because I'm looking at a 360 and a 340 bull screaming elk everywhere and not a truck at the trailhead.

00:28:55.000 Wow.

00:28:55.000 So, but it's a long way back.

00:28:57.000 It's rugged country.

00:28:59.000 So I think, I mean, there's still, there's spots.

00:29:05.000 Yeah, there's still spots that are going to be hard to get to, right?

00:29:07.000 Yeah.

00:29:07.000 Those are the spots that discourage people, where you know that you're going to have to hike in 12 miles.

00:29:12.000 And then you have to get the animal out.

00:29:13.000 Yeah.

00:29:14.000 So if you're hiking in and you're off horse, you know, it's the places that are off horse pack trails that don't get the attention, because If you kill a bull, it's coming out on your back.

00:29:25.000 That's a bunch of trips.

00:29:26.000 That's a lot of trips.

00:29:28.000 If you're going 12 miles out or even if you have to pack it to where horses can get, it's a lot of work.

00:29:34.000 Well, Green Tree, when he shot his bull and when he was on that crazy 28-day hunt, didn't it take him like seven days to get his bull out?

00:29:42.000 Something like that, yeah.

00:29:42.000 By himself, on his back.

00:29:44.000 I know.

00:29:44.000 Yeah.

00:29:44.000 I think somebody went up and helped him.

00:29:47.000 But still, I mean, tons of work.

00:29:49.000 But he had snow, I think.

00:29:50.000 And he was like 9 or 10 miles in, right?

00:29:52.000 Something like that, yeah.

00:29:53.000 So he's walking out 9 or 10 miles with 100-plus pounds on his back each trip.

00:29:59.000 It's a lot of work.

00:30:00.000 Yikes.

00:30:00.000 It's amazing.

00:30:01.000 I mean, you know how much work it is breaking down a bowl because we've done it.

00:30:05.000 But then you go from there to, okay, now I've got to...

00:30:10.000 Walk it out 10 miles.

00:30:11.000 And you've got to preserve the meat, so you've got to hang it and make sure it's getting cool.

00:30:17.000 My friend Ryan Callahan shot a bull.

00:30:19.000 He got a tag in New Mexico, and he wrote a whole article about it because he lost the bull.

00:30:26.000 I read that.

00:30:27.000 Very disheartening.

00:30:28.000 Yeah, it was.

00:30:29.000 Huge bull.

00:30:30.000 Yeah, I thought it was a nice six-point.

00:30:33.000 Yeah, he was...

00:30:34.000 Yeah.

00:30:36.000 I mean, it's real...

00:30:40.000 And I mean, I think it's important to share those honest experiences.

00:30:45.000 But also it's like, man, you don't want people who don't get it to get the wrong impression.

00:30:52.000 That's always the...

00:30:53.000 Right, right, right.

00:30:54.000 With a wounded animal in particular, right?

00:30:56.000 Yeah.

00:30:56.000 When you see an animal get...

00:30:57.000 And he even mentioned that in the article.

00:30:59.000 He said he realizes about the...

00:31:03.000 I don't know.

00:31:05.000 About the...

00:31:07.000 What people might think about bowing.

00:31:09.000 Yeah, the stigma attached to it.

00:31:10.000 The stigma, yeah, that's it.

00:31:11.000 And he, I mean, I don't know.

00:31:13.000 I think he shoots with a stick bow, too, which is really weird.

00:31:17.000 He shoots with a long bow.

00:31:18.000 Did he?

00:31:19.000 Yeah.

00:31:19.000 He shot that bow with that?

00:31:21.000 He shot his last bow with a long bow.

00:31:23.000 I think that's what he hunts with.

00:31:26.000 Yeah, I think.

00:31:28.000 Which, you know, I get it.

00:31:31.000 People like doing that.

00:31:32.000 I get it.

00:31:33.000 But like, come on, man.

00:31:34.000 It's hard.

00:31:35.000 It's hard.

00:31:35.000 And people ask me about that all the time.

00:31:37.000 Compound bow is hard enough.

00:31:38.000 When are you going to do that?

00:31:39.000 And I'm like, God, I'm not that good with a compound bow.

00:31:42.000 So I'm not really ready to make it harder.

00:31:45.000 Well, our friend Aaron Snyder, he's completely committed to a recurve.

00:31:49.000 It's all he shoots with.

00:31:50.000 I just saw him the other day, like a post yesterday, I think, and he had a compound.

00:31:54.000 Oh, did he?

00:31:55.000 Yeah.

00:31:55.000 Maybe he's giving up on it.

00:31:56.000 No, I don't think he's giving up.

00:31:58.000 Goes back and forth?

00:31:58.000 Yeah, maybe.

00:31:59.000 Maybe he's just practicing.

00:32:01.000 Unless it was somebody else's bow.

00:32:03.000 I don't know, but he is a crazy video of him shooting a mountain goat with a compound.

00:32:07.000 Yeah.

00:32:07.000 Did you see that?

00:32:08.000 No, no, with the recurve.

00:32:09.000 It was a recurve, yeah.

00:32:10.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:32:10.000 That's right.

00:32:10.000 He was on top of a cliff and shot down.

00:32:13.000 I know.

00:32:14.000 That was pretty sweet.

00:32:15.000 It was pretty sweet, yeah.

00:32:16.000 That was an amazing video.

00:32:17.000 And I think he said he hurt his shoulder.

00:32:20.000 Like, before, he didn't know if he was going to be able to shoot it with a bow.

00:32:22.000 Oh, really?

00:32:23.000 Yeah.

00:32:23.000 Because he had done something to his shoulder, so I think I read it's like he was going to have to try to do half draw or as far back as he could get, and he ended up hitting it through the heart.

00:32:34.000 Oh, is his shoulder that fucked up? 0.96

00:32:36.000 I guess so. 0.93

00:32:37.000 I don't know what happened.

00:32:38.000 That's the one thing that freaks me out about you.

00:32:40.000 How do you not get injured as much as you do?

00:32:43.000 Like, I just don't understand how you don't get injured.

00:32:46.000 Kind of weirds me out.

00:32:48.000 Weirds you out?

00:32:49.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:32:49.000 Because as much as you lift weights, as much as you run, I'm like waiting for you to get injured.

00:32:53.000 I'm always getting injured.

00:32:54.000 Are you rooting for me to get injured?

00:32:56.000 Never.

00:32:57.000 So you're like, good.

00:32:58.000 No, I'm like, this is crazy.

00:33:00.000 I'm stunned.

00:33:02.000 I'm like, you're made out of something different. 1.00

00:33:03.000 Because all the running that you do and all the weightlifting you do, especially because you do high reps.

00:33:09.000 You're doing all these reps, reps, reps, reps, reps.

00:33:11.000 I'm like, no tendinitis?

00:33:12.000 Nothing?

00:33:13.000 You're like, nope, everything's fine. 1.00

00:33:14.000 I'm like, what the fuck? 0.99

00:33:16.000 Well, part of it is, I'm not going to ever say I'm hurt. 0.99

00:33:21.000 So, I mean, I hurt.

00:33:22.000 I mean, I'm, you know, I'm not young.

00:33:24.000 Sore, but not injured?

00:33:27.000 Yeah, I don't say I'm injured, but not sore, but...

00:33:32.000 I mean...

00:33:33.000 I remember the one time we had to go to Vegas where I was going to get a stem cell shot.

00:33:36.000 You had Roddy McGee check out one of your feet.

00:33:39.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0.99

00:33:39.000 So your foot was kind of fucked up. 0.99

00:33:40.000 Yeah, I mean... 0.98

00:33:41.000 What do you have, a stress fracture or something?

00:33:42.000 Yeah, and I get...

00:33:44.000 You know, you can't...

00:33:45.000 You just can't do that and not get...

00:33:47.000 There's going to be some repercussions.

00:33:49.000 Yeah.

00:33:49.000 To put on all those miles.

00:33:51.000 But I just...

00:33:53.000 That's just part of the deal.

00:33:55.000 So I just work through it.

00:33:56.000 Just, you know, I'm never going to, you know, I mean, even my wife today, because it's like, haven't been sleeping, then I had that whole thing this morning with GQ, and then this, and she's, and then I, whatever.

00:34:10.000 She's like, well, how are you feeling?

00:34:11.000 I said, I have no choice but to feel 100%.

00:34:14.000 I said, so that's all I'm focusing on.

00:34:16.000 So that's how I do.

00:34:17.000 I mean, I don't, even if I'm down or Don't feel good or haven't got sleep or I'm hobbled.

00:34:25.000 I'm only thinking about I'm 100%.

00:34:30.000 I can't afford to think about, oh, maybe I shouldn't do this, or maybe I'm not going to be as good as I could be.

00:34:36.000 Just don't even think about it. 0.97

00:34:38.000 That's ridiculous. 0.93

00:34:39.000 So I don't accept it. 0.99

00:34:40.000 Don't get one of these whoop straps.

00:34:41.000 It'll tell you.

00:34:42.000 Why?

00:34:43.000 You need to get some sleep.

00:34:44.000 Oh, yeah.

00:34:45.000 It'll tell you.

00:34:46.000 You need to recover.

00:34:47.000 It'll tell you.

00:34:48.000 I could not sleep last night because I was thinking about that whole thing.

00:34:53.000 I was thinking, God, what if that goes long?

00:34:56.000 And then traffic in LA, then I'm late getting over here. 1.00

00:34:59.000 So you've got all these stupid... 1.00

00:35:00.000 Well, that's the least thing to worry about. 1.00

00:35:01.000 There's no schedule here.

00:35:02.000 I'm still thinking about it.

00:35:04.000 So instead of sleeping...

00:35:04.000 That keeps you up?

00:35:05.000 Really? 1.00

00:35:06.000 Yeah, stupid shit like that. 1.00

00:35:07.000 That's stupid. 1.00

00:35:08.000 But that's first world problems. 1.00

00:35:10.000 Yeah.

00:35:11.000 Oh my god, I have a GQ shoot today.

00:35:13.000 What if it runs late and I can't do the podcast until 3?

00:35:17.000 Yeah, I know.

00:35:18.000 Could you imagine?

00:35:19.000 Crazy.

00:35:20.000 I know.

00:35:20.000 See, now you know what real struggle is.

00:35:22.000 The real struggle.

00:35:23.000 Yeah.

00:35:24.000 Yeah, I don't have any real struggle anymore.

00:35:26.000 My struggles are all fake.

00:35:27.000 God.

00:35:28.000 You have to manufacture? 1.00

00:35:29.000 Yeah, I make my own bullshit. 1.00

00:35:31.000 I make my own struggles. 1.00

00:35:32.000 Workouts and training and all that shit. 0.55

00:35:36.000 Yeah, but like I always say, so I could be a must-be-nice guy. 0.93

00:35:42.000 Because I'm still punching the time clock 9 to 5. Yeah, that's what's ridiculous. 0.90

00:35:46.000 So I'm like, it must be nice to be Joe Rogan. 0.57

00:35:48.000 It is nice.

00:35:50.000 I'll tell you. 0.99

00:35:51.000 It's fucking sweet. 0.97

00:35:52.000 But what I always like to tell people... 0.97

00:35:54.000 Because I was arguing with...

00:35:57.000 Why I was arguing with somebody on somewhere.

00:36:01.000 But...

00:36:02.000 God, where was it?

00:36:04.000 Anyways, about the Elkhorn.

00:36:06.000 Like you...

00:36:06.000 Oh, yeah.

00:36:07.000 Must be nice.

00:36:08.000 Yeah.

00:36:08.000 I want to see you and Joe do a public land Elkhorn.

00:36:12.000 Joe's got to earn his way or whatever.

00:36:14.000 I'm like...

00:36:15.000 I said, trust me, Joe's earned where he's at.

00:36:19.000 I mean, because you have a different version of earn it in this one small aspect of life, hunting.

00:36:28.000 I said, Joe's earned everything he has.

00:36:32.000 So it's like people who say, must be nice to be you. 0.99

00:36:36.000 Holy shit, you've been through the fire for years, decades, and years. 0.99

00:36:41.000 You're reaping the rewards. 1.00

00:36:42.000 Yeah, but they don't see that.

00:36:44.000 I know.

00:36:44.000 That's irritating.

00:36:45.000 Eh, it doesn't bother me.

00:36:47.000 It bothers me.

00:36:48.000 I understand what they say.

00:36:50.000 And people say, like, oh, public land is harder.

00:36:53.000 It is harder.

00:36:54.000 But here's the problem with that.

00:36:55.000 You're dealing with a pressured animal.

00:36:57.000 I don't want to deal with pressured animals.

00:36:59.000 I know that you deal, I know it's harder.

00:37:01.000 It's harder to have success on public land.

00:37:03.000 But I don't think it's better.

00:37:05.000 Because dealing with all those people that are going after the same animals, and those, like, like, Renella was talking about elk that were silently bugling.

00:37:13.000 Mm-hmm.

00:37:13.000 They're opening up their mouth and they're not bugling because they don't want to get called to.

00:37:17.000 They don't want to get chased down because they're so fucking pressured. 0.68

00:37:21.000 And wolves don't call around wolves either because the wolves come. 0.96

00:37:26.000 So what I've found is...

00:37:31.000 I was only on public land for 20 years.

00:37:34.000 I couldn't afford anything else.

00:37:36.000 I haven't found that killing an elk is any easier or harder.

00:37:41.000 It's just they're bigger because they're older.

00:37:44.000 I've always killed bulls.

00:37:46.000 But they're going to be like a three-year-old bull, a five-point. 1.00

00:37:49.000 Now, I'm going to kill a ten-year-old bull. 0.93

00:37:51.000 It's still a bull, but it's just different.

00:37:54.000 They just, on public land, there's not as many that are getting to that age class because every other hunter out there is going to shoot the first bull they see.

00:38:01.000 So, that's the difference.

00:38:03.000 It's not, the hunting doesn't seem harder or easier to me or different.

00:38:07.000 It's still killing a bull with an arrow, but it's just that size.

00:38:12.000 When you go to private land, you have more opportunities, there's more animals, but...

00:38:17.000 To me, they're acting wild.

00:38:19.000 They're acting like wild animals because they're not pressured because there's not that many people out there.

00:38:23.000 So it's rare that they encounter people.

00:38:25.000 And when you're in a place like we were at, which is 270,000 acres in Utah, they're all just living in the mountains like they've been living in the mountains for thousands of years.

00:38:36.000 To me, it's a pure experience.

00:38:39.000 And I know it's not available to everybody.

00:38:41.000 And I know you have to pay money to do it.

00:38:42.000 And I get that.

00:38:44.000 I get that it's not available to the average working man.

00:38:46.000 I get it.

00:38:47.000 But it's definitely harder to do public land, without a doubt.

00:38:53.000 But I don't think it's as good.

00:38:55.000 The reason why I don't think it's as good is because those animals are acting like animals that are being hunted all the time.

00:39:00.000 They're pressured.

00:39:01.000 I've been on public land hunts.

00:39:03.000 I get the difference.

00:39:05.000 And it's definitely more satisfying when you're successful because it's more difficult.

00:39:09.000 And I know how people can take pride in that.

00:39:11.000 But I think a lot of the pride they're taking in it, they're taking because they don't have the option. 0.99

00:39:16.000 If you could say to these people that are talking shit, like you say, hey, would you like a free hunt at the Deseret in Utah? 0.99

00:39:24.000 They'd be like, yeah. 1.00

00:39:25.000 Yeah.

00:39:26.000 Of course they would say yes.

00:39:27.000 They didn't want to experience what we experienced that day, which was a pure, wild rut fest.

00:39:34.000 A pure, wild experience where these animals just going off.

00:39:37.000 I mean, we're deep, deep, deep into the mountains.

00:39:40.000 They're by themselves.

00:39:42.000 They're all bedded down up there.

00:39:43.000 There's a hot cow, and they're all going crazy.

00:39:46.000 They're fighting each other.

00:39:46.000 I mean, just the sounds that we were hearing was so epic.

00:39:49.000 That video that you got of us walking, and you just hear...

00:39:53.000 Just all day.

00:39:55.000 All day they were going off.

00:39:57.000 Yeah, it was amazing.

00:39:57.000 We hit the perfect spot.

00:39:59.000 That spot, that day, that time.

00:40:01.000 Yeah.

00:40:02.000 That was it.

00:40:02.000 And I've been in rut fest on public land.

00:40:06.000 I mean, that's how they act.

00:40:08.000 And that's in the wilderness deep where they're not getting...

00:40:11.000 It's like you always...

00:40:12.000 I've always looked for places my whole career, hunting career, where the animal...

00:40:18.000 I'm not...

00:40:19.000 I'm not competing against Tom, Dick, and Harry and the elk.

00:40:23.000 So to me that was always like, well, the way I can do that is go further than anybody wants to go.

00:40:29.000 So I'd go to the wilderness to hunt those.

00:40:31.000 So it's essentially that without having to go 12 miles deep.

00:40:35.000 Right, right, right.

00:40:39.000 It's, it's, those elk are, they're acting natural.

00:40:44.000 And you know, I've been on the other side though, too.

00:40:46.000 I get what the guys are saying.

00:40:48.000 I get it.

00:40:48.000 When I couldn't hunt, my goal has always been to go on the best elk hunts I could.

00:40:54.000 Right.

00:40:55.000 Sometimes that was instead of hunting in the Oregon coast, that was going to Eastern Oregon.

00:41:02.000 Yeah.

00:41:23.000 And then it's like, hey, 2005, we want to film you on this hunt.

00:41:26.000 And I'm like, well, if it's better than Wyoming and I'll go to Colorado, that's what I'm trying to do.

00:41:32.000 I'm trying to get a better hunt.

00:41:33.000 And so it's just been that.

00:41:35.000 And so now it's been the places that I go, I spend my month of September, they're the very best places I can find in the United States.

00:41:44.000 And it's just an extension of that process, 30 years of it.

00:41:48.000 That's it.

00:41:48.000 That's all anybody's trying to do.

00:41:50.000 You don't try to go on worse elk hunts.

00:41:53.000 Some people do, though.

00:41:54.000 I don't know.

00:41:55.000 Some people really love the grind.

00:41:56.000 I never did.

00:41:57.000 Some people just love the grind.

00:41:58.000 They also love bragging rights.

00:42:01.000 I get the grind, but it's still...

00:42:04.000 They don't want to go on a worse elk hunt, though.

00:42:06.000 But they want the bragging rights of public land.

00:42:09.000 But they'll definitely take a public land limited entry draw tag if they get it, which is essentially like being on a private land.

00:42:16.000 Yeah.

00:42:16.000 Because nobody can hunt there.

00:42:17.000 No.

00:42:18.000 And that's what, like, back home at Sewinahaw unit, they give 20 tags.

00:42:22.000 20. 20. To the entire state.

00:42:24.000 Huge area.

00:42:25.000 It's just one area.

00:42:27.000 The out-of-state people apply for it as well?

00:42:29.000 Yeah.

00:42:30.000 I don't think they get...

00:42:32.000 Oregon's terrible for out-of-state, for non-residents.

00:42:35.000 But I know residents get 20. So a huge area, 20 tags.

00:42:41.000 That's not that much different than paying a landowner to have this area for yourself.

00:42:48.000 Right.

00:42:49.000 So I put in for Winnahaw.

00:42:51.000 If I draw it, I'm hunting there.

00:42:56.000 It's kind of the same thing.

00:42:57.000 I understand where people are coming from.

00:43:00.000 Whenever someone's got something that you can't afford, you get that.

00:43:04.000 Must be nice.

00:43:06.000 The problem that I have with it is that the animals, when they're pressured, they're not acting natural.

00:43:14.000 And you're dealing with too many people.

00:43:17.000 It definitely gives you better bragging rights, right?

00:43:20.000 If you shoot a giant bull on public land, it's like, wow, that's another level of accomplishment.

00:43:25.000 It's a big deal, you know?

00:43:26.000 That's the real grind.

00:43:28.000 Like, what we're doing is – what I'm doing, first of all, is the easiest way to the road because I've got – Some of my best friends are the best hunters on earth.

00:43:38.000 I mean, having you as a great friend and Dudley and being able to take instruction from you guys and learning how to bow hunt and just having you that day with me.

00:43:47.000 First of all, what a wake-up call about endurance. 0.98

00:43:51.000 Here I am fucking running hills every goddamn day trying to keep up with you. 1.00

00:43:54.000 It's such a fucking bummer, man. 1.00

00:43:57.000 It's so annoying, Jamie. 0.99

00:44:01.000 He gets to the top of the hill.

00:44:02.000 He's not even out of breath.

00:44:03.000 I'm soaked with sweat.

00:44:05.000 I'm heaving and hoeing. 0.98

00:44:06.000 I'm like, what if I didn't run? 0.98

00:44:08.000 What if I wasn't doing all this goddamn hill running? 0.97

00:44:11.000 Well, that one little burst we had because to get the wind right and then that bull coming over, I didn't know if the bull was coming. 0.98

00:44:18.000 That was kind of a...

00:44:19.000 It was a hustle.

00:44:20.000 It was a hustle.

00:44:20.000 We had to go straight up out of the creek.

00:44:22.000 Straight up.

00:44:23.000 Thank God I do that all the time.

00:44:25.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:44:25.000 And I recovered quick.

00:44:27.000 You got up there.

00:44:27.000 Yeah, and you did.

00:44:28.000 And that's bow hunting.

00:44:30.000 To be able to think you're going to make an accurate shot after pushing yourself like that, that's rough.

00:44:36.000 Very rough.

00:44:37.000 That's what I think people need to understand about the reason why you condition yourself. 0.99

00:44:42.000 And I know you've taken a lot of shit from lazy hunters that think it's unnecessary to work out as hard as you do. 1.00

00:44:48.000 Come with us, bitch! 1.00

00:44:49.000 Come with us! 1.00

00:44:50.000 That day, just do what we did that day. 0.99

00:44:53.000 Goddamn, and as much as I run, I was still struggling to keep up. 0.99

00:44:56.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:44:57.000 It's fucking hard. 0.99

00:44:58.000 It is. 0.98

00:44:58.000 And then the whole thing is whether or not you can recover. 0.98

00:45:01.000 So even though you're heaving and hoving, you know, heaving and hoeing? 0.99

00:45:06.000 What's the word?

00:45:07.000 What do you say?

00:45:07.000 Heave ho?

00:45:09.000 You're fucking heaving. 1.00

00:45:10.000 You're gasping for air at the top. 1.00

00:45:12.000 Your heart rate drops down if you're in shape.

00:45:14.000 So even though you've done the sprint, within a minute, everything's dropping back down, and then you're cool again.

00:45:19.000 And then you can make the shot.

00:45:21.000 The biggest thing I see is not only that recovery, but making good decisions.

00:45:26.000 Because it's still hunting.

00:45:28.000 You still have to outwit.

00:45:29.000 So what happens is when people get gassed, they take shortcuts.

00:45:33.000 You know, they get gas from going up the hill hard trying to get this and then they're like, God, do I really have to circle around to keep the wind right?

00:45:41.000 Maybe I can just get away with here.

00:45:43.000 So it's like you take shortcuts and you can't take shortcuts.

00:45:46.000 So the more fatigued you are, the more inclined you are to take shortcuts, the better shape you are, you're going to do it right.

00:45:52.000 And you're going to make good decisions.

00:45:55.000 The first bull that we got into in the early morning, that bull was like 52 yards, and I was at full draw, and he caught a whiff of us.

00:46:04.000 And he was walking right into the path.

00:46:08.000 Right into the path.

00:46:10.000 He would have been broadside.

00:46:11.000 I mean, that would have been 17 yards closer than the bull I shot or close to it.

00:46:16.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:46:16.000 And he just, fuck this! 1.00

00:46:19.000 He was gone. 1.00

00:46:20.000 Yeah.

00:46:21.000 That wind will get you.

00:46:22.000 Their sense of smell and their understanding of their environment is so humbling.

00:46:28.000 Yeah.

00:46:29.000 It's so amazing.

00:46:30.000 Yeah.

00:46:30.000 To watch them, like, peek their head up and catch your wind for a second and then just start running.

00:46:35.000 Oh, I know.

00:46:36.000 And you see, I thought, I don't know, you see them and they'll, like, kind of, they'll put their nose up and they'll be like, what is that?

00:46:44.000 What is that?

00:46:44.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:46:44.000 I smell cologne.

00:46:46.000 I don't know about cologne.

00:46:48.000 I did want to say one thing about the whole must-be-nice type thing.

00:46:56.000 A big pet peeve of mine is not so much the public and private and all that, but it's just like hunters are a small group anyway.

00:47:09.000 Right.

00:47:12.000 Right.

00:47:32.000 Because they'll be like, well, I don't have a problem with you because you've been doing it for 30 years.

00:47:36.000 I'm like, who cares?

00:47:37.000 They're hunters.

00:47:38.000 They're talking about it.

00:47:39.000 They're doing it.

00:47:40.000 This is a win.

00:47:41.000 A win.

00:47:42.000 What are we doing?

00:47:43.000 I mean, because they haven't been out there for 30 years and couldn't afford an elk tag?

00:47:49.000 They shouldn't do it?

00:47:50.000 I mean, come on.

00:47:53.000 Yes, people get short-sighted and selfish.

00:47:56.000 Yeah, that's it.

00:47:56.000 But that's in comedy.

00:47:58.000 That's in everything, man.

00:47:59.000 That's in everything.

00:48:00.000 There's always going to be people that think that way.

00:48:02.000 But comedy is not something that the public can vote out.

00:48:06.000 The public can vote out hunting.

00:48:08.000 Right.

00:48:08.000 So we start cannibalizing ourselves.

00:48:11.000 Right.

00:48:13.000 That's true.

00:48:14.000 I mean, I'm not going to say we got some momentum going now, but we could lose it.

00:48:20.000 Yeah, it's possible. 0.80

00:48:21.000 There's enough people that are ignorant to what hunting really is, and enough people that actually eat meat that are ignorant to what hunting really is. 0.58

00:48:28.000 Exactly.

00:48:28.000 I mean, it's like 96% of people are eating meat, but I think if we explain how hunting works and...

00:48:35.000 But we have to have all hunters on that same page supporting each other.

00:48:40.000 My wife was at dinner with some friends, and one of her friend's husbands was asking what I do.

00:48:47.000 And she said, well, he's actually on an elk hunt right now.

00:48:50.000 And the guy was eating a steak.

00:48:52.000 And he goes, well, that's abhorrent.

00:48:55.000 He's eating a steak.

00:48:56.000 Yeah.

00:48:56.000 And she's laughing at him.

00:48:58.000 She goes, you're eating a steak.

00:48:59.000 Yeah.

00:48:59.000 Do you understand that you're eating a steak?

00:49:01.000 It's crazy.

00:49:02.000 And he, you know, he's from England.

00:49:04.000 The disconnect.

00:49:04.000 They don't, like, over there they don't hunt.

00:49:06.000 So they get super confused over there.

00:49:09.000 No.

00:49:10.000 Was it Ricky with your face?

00:49:12.000 It's not.

00:49:13.000 But Ricky has no problem with people hunting for food.

00:49:17.000 He has a problem with trophy hunting.

00:49:20.000 But I think he also has a distorted understanding of what that is, too.

00:49:23.000 But people also lump it all in together.

00:49:25.000 Yes, they do.

00:49:26.000 Especially over in Europe.

00:49:27.000 I mean, in England or wherever.

00:49:30.000 But it's just like, so that's what I say.

00:49:33.000 Let's just, first of all, let's all hunters be on the same team.

00:49:36.000 We certainly should be, yes.

00:49:38.000 And then get that message out correctly.

00:49:40.000 That's all I've tried to do.

00:49:42.000 Well, one of the things that I try to do, as much as possible, is put those images of my cooking.

00:49:46.000 Yeah.

00:49:47.000 You know, like, look. 0.99

00:49:48.000 Look at that fucking wild, dark meat that I'm cooking and I'm eating all the time. 1.00

00:49:53.000 All the goddamn time. 0.99

00:49:54.000 Well, and what I also try to do, too, and I put one up today, and I think... 0.99

00:50:00.000 And I think you could even speak to this because we shared that emotion with your bull. 0.97

00:50:05.000 But there is, you know, I've said it before, and maybe some hunters think I'm full of shit or, I don't know, I don't know, overemphasizing. 0.99

00:50:17.000 But the feeling of, I'm not happy when I kill. 0.99

00:50:21.000 I mean, the killing of the animal...

00:50:23.000 It's not like fun.

00:50:27.000 So I know an animal's dying.

00:50:29.000 I've worked very hard to make that shot like you made the shot.

00:50:32.000 But then when we got to the animal and there was some...

00:50:36.000 He was done.

00:50:37.000 But...

00:50:39.000 It takes a while for the life to get all the way.

00:50:41.000 He was still moving a little bit, and I shot him a second time while he was... 0.68

00:50:45.000 I mean, he was dead. 0.95

00:50:47.000 He was gasping for air, and the correct thing to do is to give him another shot.

00:50:52.000 But that moment was heavy.

00:50:55.000 Yeah, it's heavy.

00:50:56.000 It's heavy.

00:50:57.000 It's heavy.

00:50:58.000 And, you know, at the end, we all took our hats off and we all like we praised him and we said like a little prayer.

00:51:06.000 When all the hunters got together, we all said, you know, thank you.

00:51:11.000 Thank you to the elk.

00:51:12.000 We all took our hats off and bowed our heads.

00:51:15.000 And the guides took some of the grasses that these elk eat and they've been doing this as a tradition.

00:51:22.000 They rolled it up.

00:51:23.000 Into like a bundle, like a meal, and they placed it on the remnants of the carcass.

00:51:29.000 The bull's last meal.

00:51:31.000 Yeah, like a thank you.

00:51:32.000 A sign of that.

00:51:35.000 But even before that, when we just approached your bull, it was intense and real and...

00:51:44.000 It wasn't...

00:51:45.000 I mean, it wasn't happy.

00:51:46.000 It's not a happy moment.

00:51:47.000 It was like...

00:51:48.000 But it's happy when you make the shot.

00:51:50.000 It is.

00:51:50.000 But people don't understand that that's because it's a relief.

00:51:52.000 Because it's so...

00:51:53.000 There's so much tension and it's so difficult.

00:51:56.000 And you've worked so hard to do that.

00:51:58.000 Yeah.

00:51:59.000 To make that...

00:51:59.000 We talked about what it takes to make that shot.

00:52:01.000 I would like people to experience that.

00:52:03.000 Because it's so hard to put into words.

00:52:07.000 To be into that moment and to be that person that draws that bow back and makes that shot, it's so hard to put that into words.

00:52:14.000 I don't even think the video does it justice.

00:52:16.000 It's so hard for a person on the outside to get it.

00:52:19.000 I know.

00:52:20.000 You do have to be there, and you have to watch an animal die.

00:52:25.000 And it's...

00:52:26.000 I don't know.

00:52:28.000 I mean, it's a heavy moment.

00:52:31.000 But...

00:52:32.000 So when I put up that, like, me with my bull and my hand on it, that's not contrived.

00:52:40.000 That's real.

00:52:42.000 I feel real emotion, and I respect and honor and love the journey of that hunt, and the fact I took the animal's life is part of it, but it's not lost on the fact that I know I took it,

00:52:57.000 and it means it's...

00:52:59.000 That's a big deal.

00:53:00.000 Yeah.

00:53:01.000 Yeah, I mean, we did that to that elk as he was passing, too.

00:53:04.000 Same thing.

00:53:07.000 And I think about it every time I eat it.

00:53:09.000 Yeah.

00:53:09.000 You know?

00:53:10.000 And I think that's the special bond hunters have with their food, their meat, I mean, specifically.

00:53:17.000 Yes.

00:53:17.000 That the guy who is aberrant...

00:53:21.000 Yeah, it's abhorrent.

00:53:22.000 Abhorrent.

00:53:23.000 Yeah, abhorrent.

00:53:24.000 Yeah, it's like...

00:53:26.000 What are you talking about? 1.00

00:53:28.000 Well, he's a fool. 1.00

00:53:28.000 I mean, he's literally carving into a steak while he's saying that. 1.00

00:53:31.000 Right.

00:53:32.000 So hunters have that connection.

00:53:35.000 And I saw this video today.

00:53:39.000 This is what drives me crazy.

00:53:41.000 And I don't want to go back, rehash everything we've ever talked about.

00:53:45.000 But I saw this video today.

00:53:47.000 Who had it up?

00:53:48.000 Anyway, these vegans were set up in front of this, I guess, where you get hamburgers.

00:53:54.000 Oh, that big guy bursting through the line?

00:53:56.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:53:57.000 So when do hunters ever get confrontational and violent with people who don't want to eat meat?

00:54:05.000 Right.

00:54:05.000 When does that happen?

00:54:06.000 Well, they think somehow or another by blocking this burger stand that they're changing the world.

00:54:11.000 They're just trying to be activists.

00:54:12.000 They're trying to get a message out.

00:54:14.000 And most of them will quit.

00:54:16.000 They're going to quit veganism and they're going to start eating meat again because of their health.

00:54:19.000 That's the truth. 0.96

00:54:20.000 It's some ridiculous number. 0.89

00:54:22.000 Google this. 0.93

00:54:23.000 I think they said the number of vegans and vegetarians that eat meat when they're drunk is something outrageous.

00:54:30.000 It's like close to 90%.

00:54:31.000 But how many vegans wind up quitting and eating meat?

00:54:37.000 I wonder if they've ever done a study on that.

00:54:39.000 This is like a big thing because, you know, there's been a movement, sort of a movement, and people have different success rates with being a vegan.

00:54:48.000 But Cam Newton, who is a quarterback of the Carolina Panthers, big dude, 6'6", 250, 260, he went vegan, and he cannot get healthy.

00:54:58.000 He's been injured.

00:55:01.000 I mean, the face of the franchise, probably a $100 million contract, I mean, made it to the Super Bowl, but since just been on a decline, and it's like almost...

00:55:16.000 Hand in hand with the change into vegan.

00:55:19.000 Well, you know that guy, Dr. Sean Baker, he's the advocate of that carnivore diet.

00:55:23.000 He marks all these people that were originally in that Game Changers documentary that James Cameron put out.

00:55:29.000 A shit ton of them quit before the movie came out and they had to pull them out of the movie because they were vegan and because of health reasons they had to quit.

00:55:37.000 It's an indoctrination movie.

00:55:38.000 And it's also, it's extremely biased and it's not focusing on all of the various problems that people have.

00:55:46.000 It's only focused on the positive aspects of it and distorting the reality of those positive messages. 0.92

00:55:52.000 Particularly like the strong man who's on a fuckload of steroids. 0.95

00:55:55.000 Yeah, they forget that part. 0.98

00:55:56.000 They forget that part.

00:55:57.000 And then all these other athletes, and even the strongman, he's not an elite strongman. 1.00

00:56:03.000 When I had Robert Oberst in here, he's like, everybody eats the same shit. 0.99

00:56:08.000 He's like, meat and rice. 1.00

00:56:10.000 They eat meat.

00:56:11.000 All those strongmen eat the same thing.

00:56:13.000 The real strongmen, the ones who actually win the competitions.

00:56:15.000 What do you got, Jamie?

00:56:16.000 It's very controversial research that came out, but it's a very repeated number of 84% of vegans and vegetarians end up going back to eating meat at some level.

00:56:28.000 Right before they die.

00:56:29.000 Folks, we're omnivores.

00:56:31.000 We're omnivores.

00:56:32.000 We exist better.

00:56:34.000 We are more healthy on an animal and vegetable diet.

00:56:38.000 And if you don't want to kill animals, please eat eggs.

00:56:42.000 Eat oysters.

00:56:43.000 Eat shrimp and lobsters. 1.00

00:56:45.000 They're fucking heartless, soulless little monsters that live at the bottom of the ocean. 0.99

00:56:48.000 But if you want to be healthy, just eating only vegetables is a fucking hard road. 1.00

00:56:53.000 It's a hard road. 0.98

00:56:54.000 And... 0.97

00:56:55.000 This idea that you're going to save the world, listen, large-scale agriculture is fucking terrible for the environment. 0.99

00:57:02.000 It's terrible. 0.91

00:57:04.000 All of our agriculture, when they talk about greenhouse gases, we talked about this the other day, 9% of all greenhouse gases is because of agriculture.

00:57:15.000 Less than half of that is because of meat.

00:57:18.000 Less than half of that is because of beef.

00:57:21.000 Elk?

00:57:22.000 How much is that? 0.99

00:57:23.000 It's fucking zero. 0.99

00:57:25.000 If you just eat elk, you have way less impact on the greenhouse gases than you do if you're a vegetarian. 0.99

00:57:31.000 And that's a fact.

00:57:32.000 If you're eating grain, not only that, you're eating grain, man. 0.99

00:57:35.000 You're responsible for a fuckload of death, whether you like it or not. 0.99

00:57:39.000 Those monstrous combines, those indiscriminate... 1.00

00:57:46.000 Mice.

00:57:47.000 Forget about insects.

00:57:49.000 Birds.

00:57:49.000 Yeah.

00:57:50.000 And then the pesticides, the displacement of wildlife. 0.99

00:57:52.000 You're not supposed to have enormous fields filled with fucking corn. 0.99

00:57:56.000 Right. 1.00

00:57:56.000 And grain and wheat and all that shit. 1.00

00:57:58.000 That's not normal. 0.99

00:57:59.000 Yeah.

00:57:59.000 That's not healthy.

00:58:00.000 There's definitely animals dying from that.

00:58:03.000 But for us to live, animals are going to die.

00:58:06.000 No matter how you want to look at it, at some point, whether it was to build your house or build the road you used to get to work or the fields that you eat your salad and corn and wheat from, animals are dying for us to live.

00:58:23.000 That's just how it works.

00:58:24.000 You cannot live on this earth and not have animals die because of that.

00:58:28.000 And I like that these people that are vegans are doing this and they think this way because they care.

00:58:34.000 Because they don't want suffering.

00:58:35.000 They want these animals to live.

00:58:37.000 Look, I don't want factory farming.

00:58:39.000 I think it's terrible.

00:58:40.000 None of that appeals to me at all.

00:58:42.000 When I see chickens stuffed into cages like that, I don't want to have anything to do with that.

00:58:46.000 I want to boycott every step of the way. 0.92

00:58:49.000 When I see pigs stuffed into those cages next to each other, shitting on the floor, I don't want to have any part of that. 0.99

00:58:55.000 I want to boycott all of that with... 0.98

00:58:56.000 Same thing with beef.

00:58:57.000 Same thing with anything that's factory farm.

00:58:59.000 Yeah.

00:59:00.000 But that's not what we're doing.

00:59:01.000 No, no.

00:59:01.000 And there are some good cattle ranchers that have good operations.

00:59:06.000 Yes, sure.

00:59:07.000 If it's not the factory farm, they're doing it right.

00:59:09.000 And it's like more people are more in tune with that.

00:59:12.000 Like one of my sons works at a meat shop at a grocery store.

00:59:17.000 And he said people ask all the time, where's this meat from?

00:59:20.000 How was it raised?

00:59:21.000 So people are getting...

00:59:22.000 Yes.

00:59:23.000 And it's like supporting...

00:59:26.000 Ethical cattle ranching, I'm all for that.

00:59:29.000 Me too.

00:59:29.000 That's awesome.

00:59:29.000 That's one of the great things about one of my sponsors is ButcherBox.

00:59:32.000 And ButcherBox has a total commitment to humanely raised animals, 100% grass-fed, grass-finished beef, no antibiotics, no hormones ever.

00:59:41.000 So they have these relationships with cattle ranchers, and they use sustainable ranching and sustainable farming.

00:59:48.000 So when you're buying meat from a good source like that, you're cutting out all the stuff that I hate about farming, about farming.

00:59:56.000 About factory farming.

00:59:58.000 Me too.

00:59:58.000 Yeah, they're a good outfit.

01:00:00.000 One thing I did also see is, because I killed three bulls this year, and it's weird because people say, well, there's no way you could eat all that.

01:00:13.000 So I said, well, how good are you at math?

01:00:16.000 So I go through, I got five people in my family, average person eats 220 pounds of meat a year.

01:00:24.000 My family eats more than that, but just save for that.

01:00:26.000 So that's 1,100 pounds of meat.

01:00:28.000 As we know, say a big bull elk, you might get 300 pounds.

01:00:32.000 So if I kill three, that's 900 pounds of meat.

01:00:34.000 That's still less than I'm going to eat. 0.98

01:00:36.000 So it's like people would be like, it'd be better if you killed maybe just one bull.

01:00:41.000 And if you bought the rest, then I wouldn't have a problem with it.

01:00:46.000 That seems weird.

01:00:47.000 It doesn't make any sense.

01:00:48.000 They also don't understand you have freezers, you keep everything.

01:00:51.000 I also share it with friends.

01:00:53.000 Yeah, me too.

01:00:53.000 Every time I kill a bull, I have a ton of friends that are lined up.

01:00:57.000 There's nothing I love more than giving away meat.

01:00:58.000 I love it.

01:00:59.000 I love it.

01:00:59.000 I always said, as a hunter, we are providers.

01:01:02.000 That's how it's always been.

01:01:03.000 So there's a certain sense of satisfaction and...

01:01:08.000 I don't know if it's honoring the animal.

01:01:10.000 I don't know what it feels like, but it feels like to me, it feels right to give meat and to have somebody say, man, that elk you gave me, that was the best meat I've ever had.

01:01:20.000 I just bought a ton of freezer bags so I can give away to friends.

01:01:24.000 I get elk sausage made.

01:01:26.000 And in Utah, the butcher that handles the meat out there makes great jerky.

01:01:31.000 So I get a bunch of jerky made out and hand that out to people.

01:01:34.000 It's awesome.

01:01:34.000 I love it.

01:01:35.000 It makes me happy.

01:01:36.000 When I get text messages from people, dude, we made elk meatballs and look at the roast I made.

01:01:42.000 My friend Tom Papa, he makes bread and he makes his own handmade sourdough bread.

01:01:48.000 It's amazing.

01:01:49.000 It's delicious.

01:01:50.000 And he brings bread, I give him meat.

01:01:53.000 Perfect. 1.00

01:01:54.000 Yeah, we share pictures and shit. 0.99

01:01:56.000 It makes me really happy when one of my friends sends me a meal. 0.99

01:02:00.000 And I know that they're eating an animal that I harvested myself.

01:02:04.000 Oh, man.

01:02:05.000 It's awesome.

01:02:05.000 Yeah, it's amazing.

01:02:07.000 And it's high octane.

01:02:08.000 It almost shouldn't...

01:02:09.000 It might screw up your sober October because it's so powerful.

01:02:13.000 Well, you know, Ian Edwards is going to eat elk.

01:02:15.000 Is he?

01:02:16.000 Yes.

01:02:16.000 He needs to.

01:02:17.000 Ian, who's been a vegan forever.

01:02:19.000 He's falling asleep.

01:02:20.000 He falls asleep.

01:02:21.000 If you just look at him funny, he falls asleep.

01:02:23.000 But he said that he'll eat a piece of my elk because I killed it myself.

01:02:27.000 So we're trying to figure out a time where he can come over to the house.

01:02:30.000 I want to cook it.

01:02:31.000 Oh, yeah.

01:02:32.000 I want to have it all set up for him.

01:02:34.000 It's going to be so good.

01:02:34.000 I'm going to rock his world.

01:02:35.000 I'm going to film it, too.

01:02:36.000 Yeah.

01:02:36.000 Because it'll be the first meet he's eating.

01:02:38.000 But you said that you did that with your pastor.

01:02:40.000 Yeah.

01:02:41.000 But you have to make sure you don't give him too much, though, right?

01:02:43.000 Right, right.

01:02:44.000 Yeah, he came over.

01:02:45.000 He'd been a vegan for about 13 years.

01:02:47.000 And, yeah, he, I mean, ate, I don't know how he felt the next day.

01:02:51.000 But it's like giving, if you gave your dog two, I mean, you can't mix up the food.

01:02:56.000 Like, have a, I don't know, a It can be too rich, basically, because people aren't used to that much richness in their meat.

01:03:04.000 Right, especially if they haven't eaten meat.

01:03:06.000 He's eating carrots. 1.00

01:03:07.000 He's eating yams and shit. 0.99

01:03:09.000 It's going to be like the polar opposite. 0.99

01:03:12.000 I want to put in a kitchen here.

01:03:15.000 I want to figure out how to put a kitchen in here and then cook for people. 0.95

01:03:19.000 Have something where I have a Traeger set up with some sort of a pipe that goes through the roof so the smoke can go through the roof.

01:03:26.000 That would be perfect. 0.99

01:03:27.000 Fuck yeah. 0.99

01:03:27.000 I would love to do that and have like a stovetop where I could sear steaks. 0.99

01:03:33.000 Oh, God.

01:03:33.000 It's so good.

01:03:35.000 Cook for people.

01:03:36.000 Just let them know this is what it's like.

01:03:38.000 Yeah.

01:03:38.000 They'll be going down shooting a bow before you know it.

01:03:42.000 It's a long road, though.

01:03:44.000 What's interesting, it's like the road from you coming over my house, or you coming into the studio the first time, many, many years ago, and getting me that Hoyt, and then showing me how to shoot, and then taking me bear hunting, and taking me elk hunting, and all these...

01:03:59.000 You know, reps and years and years and years of practice that leads to like two weeks ago.

01:04:04.000 Yeah.

01:04:05.000 That's what's crazy about it.

01:04:06.000 Yeah.

01:04:07.000 And you had a shortened journey.

01:04:09.000 Oh, yeah.

01:04:09.000 Way shortened.

01:04:10.000 Because you had, like you said, you had so many encounters.

01:04:13.000 Like, you had almost a lifetime of encounters in one hunt.

01:04:17.000 Well, and also, particularly Lanai.

01:04:20.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:04:20.000 I think Lanai helps you a lot.

01:04:22.000 It does.

01:04:23.000 Because you're shooting at these little ninjas. 1.00

01:04:25.000 They're fast as shit. 1.00

01:04:27.000 They're so fast. 1.00

01:04:27.000 They're so delicious, and they must know it. 1.00

01:04:29.000 They're so fast.

01:04:30.000 And they're so pressured.

01:04:32.000 They're the most pressured animals on Earth.

01:04:34.000 I know.

01:04:34.000 And you get so many stalks and so many hunts in when you're there.

01:04:38.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:04:38.000 I mean, those hunts that we do every year in Lanai, that, to me, I feel like that's my training camp.

01:04:44.000 Yeah, for sure.

01:04:45.000 Tightens up, you know?

01:04:46.000 For sure.

01:04:46.000 It's still I mean tell me what you thought about like when you're elk hunting Because they're still like, when do you move fast?

01:04:55.000 When do you slow down?

01:04:57.000 What you can get away with.

01:04:58.000 That's still, lanai helps that, but it's almost like I've noticed each species is different as far as what you can get away with.

01:05:06.000 And elk are, they're noisy, so you can make a little bit of noise.

01:05:11.000 They're big animals.

01:05:13.000 They're herd animals.

01:05:14.000 So it's almost like each species has its own specialty.

01:05:19.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:05:19.000 Yeah, lanai, you can't get away with shit. 1.00

01:05:21.000 No. 1.00

01:05:22.000 You can't get away with shit. 1.00

01:05:23.000 Most of what me and Dudley did before I shot my deer this year is crawl. 1.00

01:05:26.000 Yeah.

01:05:27.000 It took forever to get to where we were going.

01:05:29.000 Right.

01:05:29.000 It took like an hour and a half of just crawling.

01:05:31.000 Yeah.

01:05:31.000 Just slowly crawling, creeping and crawling.

01:05:34.000 Creeping.

01:05:34.000 Because those animals evolved around tigers.

01:05:37.000 Yeah.

01:05:37.000 So they're all just like completely wild.

01:05:39.000 And then you add on top of that the fact they're incredibly pressured because they have to hunt them.

01:05:43.000 They think there's close to 30,000 of them on that island, which is just bananas.

01:05:48.000 So they've got people.

01:05:49.000 Well, it's great for the people that live there because they get fresh, delicious, organic, wild meat all the time.

01:05:54.000 I mean, everybody on that island is eating axis deer left and right. 0.98

01:05:57.000 I mean, they must be some of the fucking healthiest people on earth. 0.97

01:06:00.000 Even the Four Seasons serves it. 0.99

01:06:02.000 Yes!

01:06:02.000 Those burgers, man.

01:06:04.000 Those Axis Deer burgers are sensational.

01:06:06.000 Do we have those sliders?

01:06:07.000 Oh, so good!

01:06:08.000 Oh, God.

01:06:09.000 But where else on earth can you hunt in this incredible tropical paradise and then stay at the Four Seasons?

01:06:16.000 And run a mountain.

01:06:17.000 Yeah, and run the mountain, right. 0.91

01:06:18.000 Well, you ran more than you bargained.

01:06:21.000 Yeah, that was fantastic.

01:06:23.000 Far.

01:06:24.000 I mean, I asked the guys there, I said, hey, how far is it if I go from here to here?

01:06:27.000 And they're like, oh, seven miles.

01:06:30.000 No, it was like 15. It was a grind.

01:06:33.000 And humid?

01:06:34.000 Oh my God.

01:06:36.000 Well, luckily you're accustomed to that.

01:06:38.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:06:38.000 No, it was good.

01:06:39.000 Well, I was talking to a friend of mine, you know, and I was saying, well, you know, Cam, when he first started running, he had a hard time running a mile.

01:06:46.000 And they're like, what?

01:06:48.000 Yeah.

01:06:48.000 Like, yeah, that's how it works.

01:06:50.000 Yeah.

01:06:51.000 It was...

01:06:52.000 Yeah.

01:06:53.000 You know, when I first started, I mean, I was okay in high school, you know, because I did all the sports.

01:07:00.000 And we'd do maybe a 10K during the summer.

01:07:02.000 But then after high school, then I was just like, I thought it was really cool I could buy beer.

01:07:08.000 So I was like 21, and I'd swing by Riverview Market on the way home and buy a six-pack of Tallboys.

01:07:15.000 And, you know, I thought that was cool.

01:07:17.000 I could pound some, you know, Coors Light.

01:07:19.000 Yeah.

01:07:19.000 I'm like, oh, I'm a stud now.

01:07:21.000 And then I started to get fat.

01:07:24.000 And I'm like, nobody cared.

01:07:28.000 I wasn't living up to any expectations.

01:07:31.000 I was actually living down to expectations.

01:07:34.000 And so I went through a phase there where...

01:07:38.000 I was just like not healthy.

01:07:40.000 I was still hunting, but no real sense of, I don't know, I didn't have, I wasn't accountable for anything or to anybody, didn't have any high expectations.

01:07:53.000 So I'm like, whatever.

01:07:55.000 And I remember I signed up for the Bute to Bute 10K and I got there to 5th Street Public Market.

01:08:02.000 It was about five miles.

01:08:03.000 I had another mile left and I quit. 0.99

01:08:05.000 And I'm just like, this sucks.

01:08:08.000 And so that was, I think from there, I'm like, nobody feels good. 0.90

01:08:15.000 You know, you don't feel good when you're in that place.

01:08:19.000 So it was a slow grind, but I got to where I just kept doing more and more and more.

01:08:25.000 And then I did my first marathon like in 2002. When you quit the next day, how shitty did you feel?

01:08:33.000 I felt shitty all the time.

01:08:34.000 So it wasn't like...

01:08:35.000 I mean, it wasn't...

01:08:37.000 You know, I was living with four guys and we'd just drink beer all the time.

01:08:43.000 And, you know, I remember this one guy got...

01:08:47.000 DUI, like two DUIs in three weeks.

01:08:51.000 I think both in my truck.

01:08:53.000 At least I wasn't driving.

01:08:54.000 I would never drive, you know.

01:08:56.000 I mean, I never got caught. 1.00

01:08:58.000 But it was just like, just stupid. 1.00

01:09:01.000 So it was just like another disappointment. 1.00

01:09:02.000 It wasn't, didn't stand out.

01:09:05.000 It was just, there was no success.

01:09:07.000 No, no.

01:09:08.000 It was just, I don't know.

01:09:10.000 I didn't have anything going.

01:09:11.000 It's like, that's where my life was.

01:09:13.000 So it's just like.

01:09:15.000 What changed?

01:09:16.000 What changed?

01:09:19.000 I don't know.

01:09:20.000 Well, something must have changed, because now you're running 240 miles.

01:09:24.000 You're probably the most successful bow hunter on the planet Earth.

01:09:27.000 I mean, you have 800,000 Instagram followers. 0.99

01:09:32.000 Something fucking changed. 0.99

01:09:34.000 Like, what changed? 0.99

01:09:35.000 How did it go from you being this guy who quit after five miles, and you're drinking beer all the time, and you're hanging out with a bunch of ne'er-do-wells?

01:09:45.000 Yeah.

01:09:46.000 And then all of a sudden, you are an inspiration to millions of people.

01:09:50.000 What's the shift?

01:09:53.000 I think having kids, you know?

01:09:55.000 So, got married, and then Tanner was born in 93. And then it's like, man, it's not cool being a loser, Dad. 0.97

01:10:07.000 No, it's not. 0.97

01:10:08.000 I mean, that's not... 0.95

01:10:09.000 It's one thing being a loser, but... 0.97

01:10:12.000 Being a loser dad, now I'm affecting other people's lives. 0.98

01:10:17.000 And so I'm like, I thought, I gotta be an example. 0.57

01:10:23.000 You know, I want my kids, every parent wants their kids to have more than they had and have a better life than they had.

01:10:29.000 And so, you know, my dad wasn't around.

01:10:33.000 And, you know, I always remember wanting him around and just, you know, wanting to see him.

01:10:39.000 So I'm like, maybe that.

01:10:41.000 And then it was I think I wanted my kids, I wanted to challenge them.

01:10:46.000 So I remember my first marathon, I also made Tanner, he was seven.

01:10:54.000 And yeah, so it was 2002, I think.

01:10:57.000 Or he would have been, no, must have.

01:10:59.000 Yeah.

01:11:00.000 I don't know.

01:11:01.000 Anyway, he was young.

01:11:02.000 I think he just turned eight, actually.

01:11:04.000 And I made him do the half marathon.

01:11:07.000 So I ran the marathon.

01:11:08.000 He did the half marathon.

01:11:10.000 At eight?

01:11:10.000 At eight.

01:11:11.000 Jesus.

01:11:11.000 I did good.

01:11:12.000 Got like 202, which is a good half marathon, especially for an eight-year-old.

01:11:16.000 So then I started introducing my kids to these challenges because I'm like, you know, I remember my life growing up and it It wasn't comfortable, but not in a positive way.

01:11:29.000 And I'm like, well, I think these kids, if they don't have challenges introduced, they're going to be soft.

01:11:35.000 They're going to have it too easy.

01:11:36.000 So that's why they've run marathons and they've done these things.

01:11:40.000 It's because that's kind of how they grew up.

01:11:42.000 So I think it was kind of a combination of being a parent, wanting my kids to have a successful path, and then just saying, I didn't want to be a loser dad.

01:11:54.000 So it just kind of evolved from there.

01:11:55.000 Didn't Truett run 100 miles with you, ran, what did he get to 80, 85 miles?

01:12:00.000 90. 90. Jesus Christ.

01:12:02.000 Yeah.

01:12:02.000 And his knee blew up?

01:12:03.000 No, no.

01:12:05.000 His will broke.

01:12:06.000 Exactly.

01:12:09.000 Yeah.

01:12:09.000 I thought he had a knee issue.

01:12:11.000 Probably. 0.99

01:12:12.000 I mean, but yeah, I mean, all sorts of shit happens. 0.99

01:12:15.000 I mean, you hurt. 0.98

01:12:16.000 But no, he, God, it was like, that was just this past summer.

01:12:20.000 And, you know, because running 100 miles in 24 hours is, that's something.

01:12:25.000 I mean, I could never do that at, he's 22, I think.

01:12:29.000 There's no way I could have done that then.

01:12:31.000 I mean, it takes mental...

01:12:33.000 You usually don't have that mental strength until you're older.

01:12:35.000 You've been through life and you've been beat down and disappointed and had your heart broke.

01:12:40.000 And that's when you get like, hey, this pain is just temporary.

01:12:42.000 This is for one day.

01:12:43.000 I can get through anything for a day.

01:12:45.000 Well, when you're 22, it's like...

01:12:47.000 No point of reference.

01:12:48.000 No, it's great.

01:12:49.000 It's been gravy the whole time.

01:12:51.000 But to run 100 miles in 24 hours is...

01:12:53.000 You can tell that to anybody and it'd be like, God dang.

01:12:57.000 Yeah.

01:12:58.000 Congratulations.

01:12:58.000 So he wanted to do that.

01:13:00.000 That was his goal.

01:13:01.000 So I said, all right.

01:13:02.000 I go, if you get to 60 miles in 12 hours, You can grind out 40 in the second 12. And I said, that would be good.

01:13:11.000 So he got to 60 miles in 12 hours on pace.

01:13:15.000 Everything was good.

01:13:16.000 And it's just too painful.

01:13:18.000 I think he got 31 miles, almost 31. I think it was 90 point something.

01:13:26.000 He ended up trying to take a couple naps, was in the truck for a while.

01:13:32.000 And I remember I'd be like...

01:13:34.000 So what are we doing?

01:13:36.000 I'd go by the truck because I'd never stopped.

01:13:39.000 So it's a course?

01:13:41.000 It's a loop?

01:13:42.000 It's a 1.1 mile loop.

01:13:45.000 Oh my God.

01:13:46.000 So you're doing it a hundred times.

01:13:47.000 Right.

01:13:48.000 You do it for 24 hours.

01:13:49.000 And so I'd come by and I'd give him a little bit, a little while to chill out.

01:13:55.000 But then I'd be like, what are we doing here?

01:13:57.000 And...

01:13:59.000 For whatever reason, he got 90, which is still 90 miles is a long-ass way.

01:14:06.000 It's a long-ass way.

01:14:07.000 On your feet.

01:14:08.000 That's like San Diego.

01:14:10.000 But it's not 100. It's not Mexico.

01:14:13.000 No.

01:14:14.000 So we joke around, too, because I'm supportive, but also...

01:14:20.000 I mean, I am how I am.

01:14:22.000 So I'm like, I go, God, you couldn't have got 10 more miles?

01:14:26.000 10 more miles and you would have been in the 100 mile club?

01:14:30.000 Because I got this little wood chip.

01:14:32.000 It's like the smallest little token you could get.

01:14:35.000 It's not even like Goggins coin right here, but it's half the size.

01:14:39.000 It's a wood chip and it says...

01:14:41.000 100 miles.

01:14:43.000 I'm like, hey, do you have a chip like that?

01:14:45.000 Oh, no.

01:14:46.000 No, no, no.

01:14:47.000 You only got 90. They don't make 90-mile chips.

01:14:49.000 And so, like we said, it's like, God, the worst part about that is to get those last 10, you got to get the first 90, and that hurts.

01:15:00.000 Right, right.

01:15:00.000 So, I think he's going to...

01:15:03.000 His big goal was to get 100 miles in 24 hours, which he didn't get, and then also qualify for Boston, which he did.

01:15:10.000 So I think we're going to...

01:15:13.000 What do you have to do to qualify for Boston?

01:15:14.000 For his age group, he had to run under three hours in a marathon.

01:15:21.000 So he ran the Eugene Marathon in 257. Wow.

01:15:24.000 So he qualified.

01:15:26.000 That's amazing.

01:15:27.000 Yeah.

01:15:27.000 That's a good run.

01:15:28.000 That's fast.

01:15:29.000 Yeah.

01:15:30.000 Jamie's shaking his head yes.

01:15:31.000 Yeah, he ran, that would have been, that's like 644 miles for 26. That's fucking fast. 0.98

01:15:40.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:15:41.000 The world record, they're trying to get under two, right?

01:15:43.000 Under two, yeah. 0.99

01:15:44.000 And they're using like special shoes and shit. 0.99

01:15:46.000 Those guys are amazing. 0.98

01:15:48.000 Yeah.

01:15:48.000 They're so amazing.

01:15:49.000 I bought these soles, these insoles, they're supposed to be like springy insoles, you know those things? 0.98

01:15:56.000 I don't think they do a goddamn thing. 0.97

01:16:01.000 We're good to go. 0.98

01:16:21.000 Yeah, I don't know.

01:16:23.000 What I found is nothing really helps.

01:16:27.000 Nothing?

01:16:27.000 I mean, running is just running.

01:16:32.000 I mean, the better shape you're in, probably the more enjoyable it is.

01:16:36.000 I usually, 99% of the time, I'm by myself.

01:16:39.000 So it's like a...

01:16:42.000 I heard you talking with Red Band about yoga and it's sort of like that.

01:16:47.000 It's a meditation.

01:16:47.000 It's like you're out and it's just like, I feel good, I feel healthy, I feel centered.

01:16:55.000 If I can run with somebody like Courtney, then that's just like Christmas.

01:17:02.000 You're also running out there.

01:17:03.000 When you run Mount Pixel, you're running up there in that clean air and beautiful view.

01:17:08.000 It's like you're getting just a beautiful dose of nature.

01:17:12.000 Yeah, it's healthy all the way around.

01:17:16.000 So I just look at it as like, hey, I'm doing this.

01:17:18.000 If I get to run with anybody else and it's a distraction, that's just kind of...

01:17:24.000 You know, the exception rather than the rule.

01:17:26.000 How many days a week are you running these days?

01:17:28.000 Every day.

01:17:29.000 Every day.

01:17:30.000 Sunday too.

01:17:31.000 Every day.

01:17:32.000 Every day.

01:17:33.000 Jesus Christ.

01:17:34.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:17:35.000 I always say rest days are for pussies. 1.00

01:17:39.000 But the thing is, you're doing the same thing every day, too. 0.99

01:17:41.000 You don't even mix it up.

01:17:43.000 Yeah.

01:17:43.000 I mix it up.

01:17:44.000 Yeah.

01:17:45.000 You know, like, I'll do kickboxing one day, yoga the next day.

01:17:48.000 For me, I have to mix it up.

01:17:50.000 If I don't mix it up, I just go crazy.

01:17:52.000 The way I found it, because I used to bike.

01:17:54.000 I used to do all these things, but nothing...

01:17:58.000 Nothing compares to running.

01:17:59.000 If you just want to get, not only just for fitness, but discipline.

01:18:06.000 Running. 0.99

01:18:06.000 Running sucks. 0.99

01:18:08.000 So it's like just to be able to get out there and get in a groove, that's discipline. 0.97

01:18:13.000 And I've used that discipline for the rest of my life.

01:18:17.000 But it's, you know, the building block is, and it makes shooting a bow.

01:18:21.000 So we talked about shooting a bow is discipline.

01:18:24.000 Yeah.

01:18:25.000 That's fun.

01:18:26.000 If you can't get out and shoot a bow, it's like, come on.

01:18:30.000 Yeah, it's way more fun than running.

01:18:32.000 Yeah, right.

01:18:32.000 So that's why I look at it.

01:18:34.000 It's like, you know, because I always say run, lift, shoot.

01:18:38.000 Lifting, you get a good pump.

01:18:41.000 Whatever, you got some music going.

01:18:43.000 You can get kind of jacked up.

01:18:45.000 Shooting is just fun.

01:18:46.000 It's running.

01:18:47.000 That's the key to the discipline.

01:18:49.000 So...

01:18:51.000 Yeah, you're doing something to your mind.

01:18:53.000 You're forcing your mind to...

01:18:56.000 It strengthens that ability to get in that groove.

01:18:59.000 Yeah.

01:19:01.000 Yeah.

01:19:03.000 Sometimes I hear my breath when I'm running and when I'm really pushing it when I'm going up a hill.

01:19:09.000 And it's so satisfying that you can keep up the pace.

01:19:12.000 There's something about keeping up that pace that's so satisfying.

01:19:15.000 And me, I always run with the dog.

01:19:18.000 So it's like, I got my buddy.

01:19:19.000 He comes running back to me.

01:19:20.000 I'm so happy. 0.94

01:19:21.000 He's so fucking happy, man. 0.98

01:19:23.000 I had a film how he jumps out of the truck. 0.98

01:19:26.000 Because when I bring him to the trail and he jumps out of the truck, he's like...

01:19:30.000 His whole body's shaking.

01:19:32.000 And then I open the gate and he just jumps.

01:19:35.000 He leaps.

01:19:35.000 If you could have that energy.

01:19:37.000 Oh my God.

01:19:38.000 That's how Cash is too.

01:19:40.000 It's like no matter where you go, if you're going outside, he wants to be first outside.

01:19:44.000 If you're going inside, he wants to be first back inside.

01:19:46.000 How happy is he?

01:19:47.000 When you see this dog, he's so happy.

01:19:50.000 I told you, I tried to take his stuffed animal, and he's like, yeah, go ahead.

01:19:56.000 Just let me know when you're done.

01:19:57.000 He's just sitting there with his mouth closed, just looking at me.

01:19:59.000 I had it in my mouth. 0.99

01:20:01.000 Do you put it in your mouth, that disgusting stuffed animal? 1.00

01:20:04.000 Just my teeth. 1.00

01:20:06.000 Dude, you're going to get a disease.

01:20:08.000 A disease for Marshall?

01:20:10.000 That's how they say it.

01:20:11.000 Don't they say a dog's mouth? 0.69

01:20:13.000 It's cleaner than a person. 1.00

01:20:14.000 Yeah, they lick their balls. 1.00

01:20:15.000 I don't know how that works. 1.00

01:20:16.000 Oh, there he is.

01:20:18.000 Right.

01:20:18.000 See that little thing.

01:20:20.000 Marshall is so nice.

01:20:21.000 I've been taking him to work with me because otherwise, you know, when we run, we run in the morning and then he's just bored all day.

01:20:26.000 Yeah.

01:20:27.000 Waiting for everybody to come home.

01:20:28.000 So he comes here and hangs out with everybody.

01:20:30.000 But yeah, so I took that thing from him and he's like, not possessive.

01:20:34.000 No.

01:20:34.000 He's like, yeah, just let me know when you're done.

01:20:36.000 I never had a dog with him before.

01:20:37.000 No.

01:20:37.000 He's so sweet.

01:20:38.000 So nice. 0.97

01:20:38.000 I'm so used to pit bulls and I have mastiffs and all these big scary ass dogs. 0.97

01:20:43.000 Yeah. 0.88

01:20:44.000 And he's just a different thing, man.

01:20:46.000 I have to remind myself.

01:20:48.000 Yeah.

01:20:49.000 He's a big sweetie.

01:20:51.000 A special dog.

01:20:52.000 I don't know if all, are all retrievers like that?

01:20:55.000 Supposedly Goldens are all like that. 1.00

01:20:57.000 They're all just like, Commander David Fravor, who was on the other day, he said he's had five Goldens.

01:21:02.000 He said, I wouldn't get another dog.

01:21:03.000 They're the best dogs.

01:21:04.000 He just loves them.

01:21:05.000 I mean, I get it now.

01:21:06.000 I mean, I never had a dog like him.

01:21:08.000 He's so nice to everybody.

01:21:10.000 Everybody is his best friend.

01:21:12.000 I know.

01:21:13.000 He just runs from one person to the next.

01:21:15.000 The only thing he does that I don't like is he jumps on people still.

01:21:18.000 I'm trying to get him to stop doing that.

01:21:19.000 But it's just because he loves them.

01:21:21.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:21:21.000 It's not malicious or anything like that.

01:21:23.000 But yeah, I've always thought that if I could have the same attitude as my dog running.

01:21:30.000 Yes!

01:21:31.000 I'm out there doing it.

01:21:32.000 I mean, he's so happy.

01:21:34.000 He gets tired after maybe...

01:21:37.000 Five or six, and then he'll be like lagging back.

01:21:40.000 But up until then, it's like, man, he's loving it. 1.00

01:21:43.000 So he trots with you for about five or six miles, and then he's like, this motherfucker is ridiculous. 1.00

01:21:47.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1.00

01:21:48.000 Hey, Dad, when are we going home?

01:21:50.000 Right.

01:21:50.000 He doesn't have the endurance.

01:21:52.000 Do you get him water?

01:21:53.000 Do you bring water with him?

01:21:55.000 No, but we go to the river.

01:21:58.000 Is it good?

01:22:00.000 Is it clean?

01:22:00.000 Yeah, their stomachs are not like our stomachs.

01:22:02.000 I know, obviously. 1.00

01:22:03.000 Licking their balls and shit. 1.00

01:22:06.000 When Marshall and I run, sometimes we run in the heat. 1.00

01:22:09.000 Sometimes around here it gets hot as fuck. 0.89

01:22:11.000 So I have one of those collapsible dog bowls and I just put it in a backpack and I'll bring a hydro flask. 0.95

01:22:17.000 I'll bring a 64 ounce hydro flask.

01:22:19.000 And a couple times during the run I'll pull out that collapsible dog bowl and pour him some water and he'll drink it and You know, that makes a big difference.

01:22:27.000 And then I pour some on his head, rub it on his head to cool him off a little bit.

01:22:30.000 Just cool him down.

01:22:30.000 Yeah.

01:22:31.000 Yeah.

01:22:32.000 Because we'll run and it's 100 degrees outside.

01:22:33.000 Oh, I know.

01:22:34.000 And he's got a lot of hair.

01:22:35.000 Oh, God.

01:22:35.000 He's so thick.

01:22:36.000 Yeah.

01:22:37.000 You can get him shaved like a lion.

01:22:39.000 Yeah. 0.89

01:22:39.000 Like a poodle does. 0.89

01:22:40.000 Like they do with poodles.

01:22:41.000 Yeah. 0.95

01:22:42.000 When I brush them, it's ridiculous.

01:22:43.000 I have a brush that I brush them with, but I also have these gloves.

01:22:47.000 They're like brush gloves.

01:22:48.000 Oh, yeah.

01:22:48.000 And you're petting them, and then it's just like you have hair mitts.

01:22:51.000 Yeah.

01:22:51.000 It just comes off.

01:22:54.000 If it was up to me, I'd have fucking 100 dogs. 1.00

01:22:56.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:22:57.000 I love them.

01:22:58.000 Me too.

01:22:58.000 And that's another thing that anti-hunters don't understand.

01:23:02.000 Right.

01:23:03.000 They say, well, how come you don't kill your dog? 1.00

01:23:05.000 I'm like, it's my fucking dog. 1.00

01:23:08.000 What are you talking about? 1.00

01:23:09.000 My dog's a squirrel murderer, by the way.

01:23:12.000 That sweet marshal, he'll murk a squirrel. 0.95

01:23:14.000 Really? 1.00

01:23:14.000 In a fucking heartbeat. 1.00

01:23:15.000 Yeah, we had to keep him from murking my daughter's rabbit. 1.00

01:23:19.000 He's got real issues.

01:23:20.000 Yeah, look at that.

01:23:22.000 See?

01:23:23.000 That's just a hunting instinct.

01:23:25.000 As lovable as Marshall is.

01:23:27.000 Is that the one that says, every day I have to calm the demons within?

01:23:31.000 What is it?

01:23:32.000 It's the circle of life.

01:23:34.000 Yeah, but there's another one.

01:23:35.000 There's another one.

01:23:36.000 Did you see the lion back behind him?

01:23:38.000 Yeah.

01:23:39.000 Did you do that on purpose?

01:23:41.000 No, no.

01:23:42.000 It's a painting I bought in Utah.

01:23:44.000 I know, but that's a hunter.

01:23:47.000 Different levels of hunting.

01:23:48.000 Keep that one right there.

01:23:49.000 Click on that one.

01:23:51.000 Scroll down so you can see the caption.

01:23:54.000 Every day I must tame the demon within me.

01:23:58.000 He looks so guilty.

01:24:00.000 Look at his face.

01:24:01.000 He looks so guilty.

01:24:02.000 He's like, please, please just open up the door. 1.00

01:24:05.000 Let me murk this fucking stupid rabbit. 1.00

01:24:08.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:24:09.000 Oh my god, that's so cute.

01:24:10.000 I mean, but what's interesting is, like, those retrievers, they have what they call soft mouths.

01:24:16.000 Yeah.

01:24:16.000 They don't tear things apart.

01:24:17.000 Right.

01:24:18.000 They hold things gently and bring them to you.

01:24:20.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:24:20.000 Like, even squirrels, when he's killed a squirrel, he'll bring me a squirrel.

01:24:23.000 It's not even fucked up. 0.98

01:24:24.000 Really? 0.97

01:24:25.000 Yeah.

01:24:26.000 No, that's their genetics.

01:24:27.000 I mean, like Johnny Cash, my Mastiff, when he was alive, he got into my chicken coop one day. 0.96

01:24:34.000 He tore a hole through the chicken coop.

01:24:37.000 So, you know, the chicken wire fence, he tore it apart.

01:24:40.000 So he could get his body in there and went in there and he murked eight chickens.

01:24:44.000 Eight or nine by the time I got to him.

01:24:46.000 Wow.

01:24:47.000 My wife is screaming, why is Johnny in the chicken coop?

01:24:49.000 I'm like, Johnny's in the chicken coop.

01:24:50.000 That's not good.

01:24:51.000 He tore a hole through the chicken coop.

01:24:53.000 That was a totally different experience.

01:24:56.000 Yeah.

01:24:56.000 There was no soft mouth going on there.

01:24:58.000 It was just carnage.

01:24:59.000 He was just having a good old time killing chickens.

01:25:02.000 Bloodbath.

01:25:03.000 Did you see this?

01:25:04.000 Oh, Jesus.

01:25:05.000 Have you seen this?

01:25:05.000 Jesus Christ.

01:25:06.000 The soft mouth you reminded me. 1.00

01:25:07.000 What is this asshole doing? 1.00

01:25:09.000 He's playing with his tiger. 1.00

01:25:10.000 Oh, it's his tiger? 0.99

01:25:11.000 And it looks like it's about to fuck him up. 0.99

01:25:13.000 Oh, so where is this at? 0.98

01:25:15.000 I don't know.

01:25:16.000 It's just...

01:25:17.000 Some gif I saw going around.

01:25:19.000 I mean, I guess if you are nice to these things and train them, you can get away with this for a little bit.

01:25:24.000 Yeah, but what happens is then that lion will probably kill that guy. 0.77

01:25:29.000 One day.

01:25:29.000 I mean, because they're still, just like Marshall, they still, I don't know, maybe not, maybe he's whatever, but you always hear this, that they had this pet whatever, and...

01:25:41.000 Well, Marshall with a rabbit, for sure.

01:25:43.000 That's how that lion is.

01:25:45.000 If I let Marshall play with a rabbit, oh, Marshall, the rabbit's your friend. 0.99

01:25:49.000 Then I'd go and take a shit and come back to see blood and rabbit hair everywhere. 0.99

01:25:53.000 And then that guilty look on Marshall. 0.99

01:25:55.000 I couldn't take it, Dad.

01:25:57.000 He was taunting me.

01:25:58.000 It's genetics. 1.00

01:25:59.000 I don't know why people think it's cute to wrestle with lions and do all that crazy shit. 0.99

01:26:05.000 It seems so silly to me. 0.99

01:26:07.000 They're kind of cool.

01:26:09.000 I mean, that would be fun.

01:26:10.000 I guess.

01:26:11.000 I mean, it's like animals are amazing, but don't be surprised when it rips your juggler out.

01:26:18.000 Well, when we were in Thailand, you can go to these tiger sanctuaries and you can pet these tigers.

01:26:25.000 And what's interesting is you would go there and we would pet...

01:26:29.000 The little baby ones.

01:26:31.000 And they would be really calm and tame and playful.

01:26:35.000 Because they're little babies.

01:26:36.000 But they're super energetic.

01:26:37.000 But they're not trying to hurt you.

01:26:39.000 They're just playing with each other and rolling around.

01:26:41.000 And they're like kittens.

01:26:42.000 But then you go to the ones that are just a little older.

01:26:47.000 Like maybe a year old, and they're a little sketchy.

01:26:49.000 They're just looking around, and then there's a guy with a stick, and they're keeping you at a distance with them.

01:26:54.000 They don't want you getting too close to them.

01:26:56.000 They worry about they might jack you.

01:26:57.000 Then, when you get to the older lions, or the older tigers, the full-grown tigers, they're all drugged.

01:27:03.000 And it's a real bummer, man.

01:27:05.000 They're all lying there like half out of it. 0.99

01:27:07.000 Oh, that sucks. 1.00

01:27:07.000 And people take pictures with them, and these things are on fucking heroin, man. 1.00

01:27:10.000 That sucks. 1.00

01:27:11.000 They're just laying there. 1.00

01:27:12.000 Completely, 100% drugged.

01:27:14.000 There's no ifs, ands, or buts about it.

01:27:17.000 They barely keep their head up.

01:27:19.000 And people are smiling and putting their hands on it and taking selfies.

01:27:22.000 I don't like that.

01:27:22.000 It's weird, man.

01:27:24.000 No, I don't like that.

01:27:25.000 It's weird.

01:27:25.000 I like wild animals to be wild.

01:27:28.000 Yeah, me too.

01:27:29.000 I mean, that's what's cool about them.

01:27:32.000 Look...

01:27:32.000 I mean, we've both experienced bears in the wild, and I've never seen a mountain lion in the wild, but I did see one in Montecito in Santa Barbara.

01:27:41.000 I saw one on the street.

01:27:43.000 But, I mean, if I did see one, I would think it's fucking cool to be in the woods, like, hunting, like Dudley was, 20 yards away from one, stumble across one. 0.75

01:27:51.000 It's cool that they're out there. 0.72

01:27:53.000 You know, I love the fact that they're a real thing, but I don't want to pet them.

01:27:57.000 Yeah.

01:27:58.000 You gotta respect them. 1.00

01:27:59.000 I don't want to have nothing to do with petting a fucking lion, man. 1.00

01:28:03.000 Those things are killers. 1.00

01:28:05.000 Do you see that picture we have outside now with the Hollywood sign?

01:28:07.000 Yeah, I did.

01:28:08.000 It's amazing. 1.00

01:28:09.000 That motherfucker's living in Griffith Park. 1.00

01:28:11.000 God. 1.00

01:28:11.000 The big-ass cat with giant forearms. 1.00

01:28:13.000 I know.

01:28:14.000 See his forearms?

01:28:14.000 Those things are killing machines.

01:28:16.000 Yeah.

01:28:16.000 And he's just out there keeping the coyotes in check.

01:28:20.000 Yeah.

01:28:20.000 Merking all those deer.

01:28:21.000 A few have died recently because of rat poison.

01:28:23.000 Yeah.

01:28:24.000 Four of them, I think.

01:28:25.000 What, lions?

01:28:25.000 Yeah, mountain lions, yeah.

01:28:27.000 Yeah, it's a bummer, man.

01:28:28.000 There's a lot of lions here in California.

01:28:30.000 A lot.

01:28:31.000 They get a hold of the rat poison because people poison the rats, and then they eat the rats, or the coyotes eat the rats, and then they eat the coyotes, and they get that rat poison in them, and they wound up dying.

01:28:40.000 And another one got killed recently trying to cross the street.

01:28:45.000 He was trying to cross the highway, and they think he might have been getting chased by another cat, and the cat chased him right into traffic, and bam!

01:28:52.000 They're territorial.

01:28:53.000 That's what...

01:28:54.000 That's why they have to keep spreading out so much because they won't overlap.

01:28:58.000 So those males will get a certain territory and then the younger ones have to go usually further into town.

01:29:06.000 Do you hear what happened about the woman who had a farm?

01:29:09.000 She has an alpaca farm in Malibu.

01:29:13.000 And a mountain lion just decided to start murking her alpacas. 1.00

01:29:17.000 Killed a shitload of them.

01:29:18.000 Really? 1.00

01:29:18.000 Yeah, killed like eight of them or something crazy like that. 1.00

01:29:21.000 And a goat. 0.94

01:29:22.000 Killed a goat, too.

01:29:23.000 Didn't even eat them.

01:29:24.000 Oh, yeah.

01:29:25.000 Just went on a killing spree.

01:29:26.000 Nothing's going to eat a goat. 0.97

01:29:27.000 Goats are terrible.

01:29:28.000 Are they really?

01:29:28.000 Yeah, I tried to...

01:29:29.000 That one time, back in the early 90s, Ted Nugent was playing in Eugene. 0.96

01:29:36.000 And he was with the damn Yankees and we're like, we had this place that had these feral goats down by Roseburg. 0.99

01:29:43.000 And so we're like, they wanted him killed. 1.00

01:29:46.000 And so we asked, Wayne asked Ted, somehow got a hold of him.

01:29:50.000 Oh no, he's going to come to the bow rack because he's been bow hunting forever.

01:29:53.000 It's like, Hey, you want to go bow hunting goats with us?

01:29:56.000 So long story short, we went down there, killed a bunch of goats.

01:30:00.000 He had a concert that night, but I had a truck full of dead goats.

01:30:03.000 A little Toyota two-wheel drive, little Blue Thunder, we called it.

01:30:07.000 And I tried to use those goats. 0.63

01:30:09.000 This is before 94, so you could bear bait still in Oregon.

01:30:12.000 Tried to use them as bear bait. 0.99

01:30:13.000 The bears were like, we're not eating that shit. 1.00

01:30:15.000 Bears didn't want the goats? 1.00

01:30:16.000 They would not eat the goats.

01:30:18.000 What?

01:30:18.000 No.

01:30:19.000 No.

01:30:20.000 So goats, yeah, it doesn't surprise me that the lion won't eat the goats either.

01:30:23.000 So goat meat, not the best.

01:30:25.000 But they say that goats, like some cultures love goat meat.

01:30:29.000 Yeah, I think so.

01:30:31.000 Yeah.

01:30:31.000 That's probably the ones that won't eat cows.

01:30:33.000 I don't know.

01:30:34.000 I think they just cook it.

01:30:35.000 They have ways of cooking it.

01:30:37.000 Yeah.

01:30:37.000 I know I've had goat before at a Mexican restaurant.

01:30:42.000 I had goat tacos.

01:30:43.000 You did?

01:30:43.000 Yeah.

01:30:44.000 And it was good.

01:30:45.000 Really?

01:30:45.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:30:46.000 But I think if you braise it, slow cook it with spices.

01:30:50.000 Traeger it.

01:30:50.000 Yeah, you Traeger it.

01:30:52.000 Put it on like 165 degrees for eight hours or something like that with the right spices.

01:30:57.000 Yeah.

01:30:57.000 You can make anything taste pretty damn good.

01:31:00.000 That's what Jen, she cooked something up in bear camp this year.

01:31:04.000 It was bear.

01:31:04.000 I think it was loin maybe?

01:31:07.000 I don't know.

01:31:08.000 Anyway, cooked it for 12 or 20 hours or something crazy.

01:31:12.000 God, it was so good.

01:31:14.000 No, it was a back ham, maybe.

01:31:16.000 Oh, yeah, that's right.

01:31:16.000 I remember that.

01:31:17.000 But it was so good.

01:31:19.000 Yeah, she marinated it, right?

01:31:21.000 Spices.

01:31:22.000 I'd like to see people who say, well, do you eat bear, have a plate of gin rivets bear meat?

01:31:28.000 My God, that's all they want.

01:31:29.000 Well, you know what...

01:31:31.000 Ranella was talking about on his podcast that when the pioneers came out west, they were shooting deers for their skins and bears for the meat.

01:31:37.000 Really?

01:31:37.000 Yeah.

01:31:38.000 Oh, I didn't know that.

01:31:38.000 Yeah, they were shooting bears for meat, black bears.

01:31:41.000 Yeah.

01:31:41.000 They preferred black bears for their meat.

01:31:44.000 It's a delicious animal.

01:31:45.000 Oh, it is.

01:31:46.000 People don't know.

01:31:47.000 No, it is.

01:31:47.000 They don't know.

01:31:48.000 And they think you're lying for some reason.

01:31:50.000 You can't eat bear.

01:31:51.000 You don't want to eat bear.

01:31:52.000 You don't know what you're talking about.

01:31:54.000 If Jen Rivett cooks you some bear, I defy you. 0.99

01:31:58.000 I defy you if you like to eat meat.

01:32:00.000 Her stir fry?

01:32:01.000 That barrister fight?

01:32:02.000 That is fantastic. 0.91

01:32:03.000 You'd have to be a pathological liar to say it wasn't good.

01:32:06.000 If you don't like meat, maybe you won't like it. 0.54

01:32:08.000 But if you do like meat, you'd be like, wow, this is good.

01:32:11.000 I say it tastes like a... 0.99

01:32:14.000 It's almost like a cow fucked up deer. 0.98

01:32:19.000 It's like a combination of venison and beef. 0.95

01:32:23.000 Yeah.

01:32:23.000 I mean, the way she cooks it is...

01:32:26.000 I think there's a typical taste of bear.

01:32:30.000 People always say who haven't had it like that, they say it's greasy.

01:32:33.000 Because it's more like porkish, kind of.

01:32:36.000 There's some fat in it.

01:32:38.000 It's just different.

01:32:39.000 But...

01:32:41.000 The way she does it in the trail or stir fry, it's incredible. 0.98

01:32:44.000 It's incredible.

01:32:45.000 It's a really delicious animal.

01:32:48.000 Speaking of that hunt, I want to get Goggins on his first hunt, just like I took you on your first bow hunt.

01:32:54.000 That's where you're going to take him to John and Jen's place?

01:32:57.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:32:57.000 That'd be perfect.

01:32:58.000 Try to get a bear. 0.93

01:32:59.000 Good first bow kill. 0.98

01:33:01.000 Has he shot a bow at all?

01:33:02.000 Yeah, I got him a bow.

01:33:03.000 Has he been shooting?

01:33:04.000 I don't know.

01:33:05.000 He shot when he came and worked out with me. 0.99

01:33:08.000 He's got the best fucking Instagram stories ever. 1.00

01:33:10.000 Oh my god. 0.99

01:33:11.000 Those videos.

01:33:11.000 I know.

01:33:12.000 I love it. 1.00

01:33:13.000 Nothing ever gets done by being a bitch! 1.00

01:33:15.000 I was reading one of his text messages he sent me yesterday. 1.00

01:33:19.000 He just sends the most ridiculous... 0.99

01:33:20.000 A new one? 0.98

01:33:21.000 You showed me one not too long ago.

01:33:24.000 Every couple months I get a new one.

01:33:25.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:33:26.000 I love it.

01:33:27.000 I love it.

01:33:28.000 They wake you up too, man.

01:33:29.000 I love it.

01:33:29.000 They wake me up.

01:33:30.000 I start doing chin-ups as soon as I get those messages.

01:33:32.000 I love his attitude.

01:33:33.000 There's a few people who...

01:33:36.000 I love them as people.

01:33:38.000 They're good people, just hardworking.

01:33:40.000 But I'm in love with their spirit.

01:33:42.000 It's like his spirit, Jaco's spirit, Courtney's spirit.

01:33:46.000 Their spirit.

01:33:49.000 It's amazing.

01:33:52.000 He's like one of those guys that it's never going to waver.

01:33:56.000 You know what you're going to get.

01:33:58.000 You get inspiration from it.

01:34:00.000 I do.

01:34:01.000 I get fuel from it.

01:34:02.000 Yeah.

01:34:03.000 Even having the chance to train with him, it's like, man, just feel lucky to see him in action and see him change from David to Goggins.

01:34:15.000 Right.

01:34:16.000 It's like he becomes the Hulk.

01:34:18.000 Oh, my God.

01:34:18.000 I watched it.

01:34:20.000 I thought, well, maybe this is just kind of like a...

01:34:23.000 Whatever.

01:34:24.000 Maybe just a thing.

01:34:25.000 But it was real. 0.99

01:34:26.000 It's like when shit got hard, he got into this different zone. 0.99

01:34:32.000 And it was like he got better. 0.99

01:34:35.000 He got better.

01:34:36.000 Got tougher.

01:34:37.000 Yeah, he did.

01:34:38.000 It was like...

01:34:39.000 So what did you guys do?

01:34:39.000 You ran like 30 miles.

01:34:41.000 Yeah, 35. 35 miles.

01:34:43.000 Yeah.

01:34:44.000 And then you went back and lifted.

01:34:45.000 Yeah.

01:34:45.000 Yeah, and we shot bows too, but all that same day.

01:34:50.000 But during that race, it was kind of cold and snowy.

01:34:55.000 I think it was spitting snow, but rainy.

01:34:57.000 It was soaking wet.

01:35:00.000 And I remember at mile 22, something was happening with his feet, and he had to take his shoes off and untie his shoes.

01:35:11.000 And it's like, normally, that's not a good sign.

01:35:15.000 I mean, if people are messing with their shoes 22 miles into 30, it's like, God, this is not, you know, because you know your feet are going to get torn up.

01:35:24.000 So it's like, you just kind of, your feet, They could be bleeding, torn up.

01:35:29.000 He's like, yeah, this is what happens.

01:35:31.000 And he's done a lot.

01:35:32.000 So I'm like, man, I don't know.

01:35:35.000 I said, well, I'm just going to kind of keep chugging along and get it figured out and catch up and we'll go from there.

01:35:43.000 And I thought, man, there's a chance that maybe I won't see him again. 0.99

01:35:48.000 But no, sure as shit. 0.99

01:35:50.000 Here he comes. 1.00

01:35:51.000 He catches back up.

01:35:52.000 Me and my brother were up there.

01:35:53.000 And he went from 22. He got in this different groove.

01:35:59.000 And then I actually, my calf on this race kind of locked up.

01:36:04.000 And it's like going up this last grade to do one more summit.

01:36:07.000 And I couldn't run it.

01:36:09.000 And I'm like, he took off.

01:36:11.000 I was just kind of power hiking it.

01:36:13.000 And I get up there and had a cameraman up there.

01:36:16.000 And David was like, he was in his Goggins mode by that time.

01:36:20.000 This was towards the end of the race.

01:36:22.000 We had like two miles left.

01:36:22.000 It's like 33 miles in.

01:36:24.000 And I asked the cameraman up there.

01:36:27.000 I'm like, hey, I said, how did Goggins look?

01:36:29.000 And he's like, well, he had his shirt off.

01:36:33.000 And it was cold rain.

01:36:35.000 He's had his shirt off.

01:36:36.000 And he was saying... 0.99

01:36:38.000 They don't fucking know me! 0.99

01:36:40.000 I'm like, who is he? 1.00

01:36:41.000 He's like, they don't know me, son.

01:36:43.000 I said, who is he saying that to?

01:36:46.000 And he's like, there's nobody up here.

01:36:49.000 So he has imaginary enemies that he's fighting against.

01:36:53.000 But that's real.

01:36:56.000 And so he did, and he got better, and he freaking just crushed the second half of that race. 0.84

01:37:02.000 And same thing happened lifting.

01:37:04.000 The more reps we did...

01:37:07.000 The better he got.

01:37:09.000 And like at the end when we had done so many reps, and like we did this one last thing of doing, yeah, we did like 95 reps of, or no, 100 reps of right there on that incline bench is only 95 pounds,

01:37:24.000 but we had done 600 reps before.

01:37:26.000 He ended up on the last set, did more than he did on the first set.

01:37:31.000 That's insane.

01:37:32.000 Yeah.

01:37:32.000 And that's when he's saying, he starts yelling right here somewhere.

01:37:36.000 Give me some volume.

01:37:38.000 15. Shut that muscle down. 1.00

01:37:40.000 16. Come on.

01:37:42.000 Get it.

01:37:43.000 17. They don't know me, son.

01:37:45.000 Get it.

01:37:46.000 18. They don't know me, son.

01:37:48.000 Get it.

01:37:48.000 19. They don't know me, son.

01:37:50.000 Yeah.

01:37:51.000 20. You got some more.

01:37:52.000 They don't know me, son.

01:37:53.000 21. Yeah.

01:37:55.000 Get it again.

01:37:57.000 Come on, we want to see it!

01:37:59.000 Good, 22!

01:38:00.000 Who's going to carry the boats in the logs?

01:38:03.000 That's you, buddy!

01:38:04.000 Come on, 23! 0.92

01:38:07.000 Come on, 23! 0.92

01:38:08.000 One more, David!

01:38:09.000 Who's going to carry the boats in the logs?

01:38:13.000 You're going to do it.

01:38:14.000 You're going to do it.

01:38:15.000 You did it!

01:38:16.000 Yeah!

01:38:20.000 This is at International Fitness.

01:38:22.000 Just a regular gym. 0.61

01:38:24.000 And people are like, what the hell? 0.68

01:38:26.000 What is this guy?

01:38:28.000 And he got into that zone.

01:38:31.000 And he's like...

01:38:33.000 So whatever he says about how he's David, how he's Goggins, when he gets to Goggins, dude, look out.

01:38:40.000 It's a different person that's unstoppable.

01:38:44.000 It's real.

01:38:46.000 I saw it, and he's like, it's amazing.

01:38:50.000 Well, that's how he broke the world chin-up record.

01:38:52.000 Yeah. 0.70

01:38:52.000 I mean, you have to be a complete psychopath to be able to do chin-ups for 24 hours a day. 0.70

01:38:58.000 And then, so we went after that, and we went and watched UFC, got pizza, and it was getting late by that time.

01:39:09.000 So we'd run 35 miles, we shot bows, we lifted weights, pretty full day.

01:39:15.000 Ate pizza, had a couple chocolate chip cookies, watched UFC, pretty good night.

01:39:19.000 And then so, he's like, yeah, he goes, I gotta get back to my hotel, I still gotta stretch, couple hours of stretching.

01:39:28.000 And my wife goes, oh, you're not going to stretch. 1.00

01:39:32.000 You can miss stretching tonight.

01:39:34.000 It's like, what are you talking about?

01:39:37.000 Have David Goggins miss stretching?

01:39:40.000 That's like, you know, take the night off?

01:39:44.000 He does some hardcore stretching.

01:39:46.000 And he does for hours.

01:39:47.000 And then that's just kind of his routine.

01:39:49.000 And then he got up the next day and from his hotel ran 15 miles.

01:39:55.000 So people can say whatever they want.

01:39:58.000 The dude is as real as they get and a complete savage.

01:40:04.000 100%.

01:40:04.000 It's like you can say whatever you want because on Instagram, you never know if what you see is what you get.

01:40:11.000 He's amazing.

01:40:13.000 Yeah, he's real.

01:40:14.000 There's no way he could be doing it as long as he's doing it without...

01:40:16.000 Someone would expose him.

01:40:17.000 Yeah.

01:40:18.000 Or he would expose himself.

01:40:20.000 Yeah.

01:40:20.000 But that's the real deal, and that's why it's so special.

01:40:23.000 That's why it's so inspirational.

01:40:24.000 Yeah.

01:40:25.000 Because that's all mental strength, and he's all super honest about how he used to be.

01:40:30.000 He's like, my brain was soft.

01:40:31.000 I was soft.

01:40:32.000 It's helped me, because I've thought that I'm like, when I get tired...

01:40:35.000 I mean, I take inspiration from a lot of people, but it's like...

01:40:41.000 I'm like, God, I need to have that little piece of Goggins to get in that. 0.95

01:40:47.000 It's got to be mental.

01:40:48.000 It's like he just puts himself there and he struggles, but then gets to this next level.

01:40:56.000 And it's like, how?

01:40:58.000 It's just...

01:41:11.000 Yeah.

01:41:13.000 Yeah.

01:41:22.000 Yeah, he does.

01:41:23.000 And he's, I mean, it was like, I'll never forget sharing that day with him.

01:41:28.000 Never.

01:41:28.000 I mean, it changed my life.

01:41:32.000 I swear to God.

01:41:33.000 I mean, he's, you know, I mean, David Goggins, it's like people follow him and they're just like, I feel, I feel like it's like another blessing I don't really deserve just to be able to, you know, who wouldn't want to work out with Goggins?

01:41:45.000 You always talk like that and it drives me crazy. 0.99

01:41:47.000 All this, I don't deserve shit. 1.00

01:41:49.000 I don't. 1.00

01:41:49.000 That's the one thing I hate about you. 1.00

01:41:52.000 Drives me nuts.

01:41:53.000 I don't.

01:41:53.000 You always say, like, we were talking about that, like, you always feel like you don't even deserve to be at these camps with all these great hunters.

01:42:02.000 I always say, I think somebody eventually is going to say, what is this guy doing here?

01:42:08.000 And I'll be like, well, they figured it out.

01:42:11.000 It was a good run.

01:42:13.000 That's called imposter syndrome.

01:42:15.000 I just don't feel like, I mean, I see you guys, I see you, Goggins, Jocko, and I see those, and that's who everybody, you know, it's like you can change people's lives, and I feel like pretty soon they're going to go, why is this guy here?

01:42:30.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:42:31.000 But that's how I feel about everything.

01:42:34.000 But I just don't express it.

01:42:36.000 But you don't hate yourself for that?

01:42:37.000 No, I don't hate myself for that.

01:42:38.000 But you hate me.

01:42:39.000 Well, you say it too much.

01:42:40.000 It drives me nuts.

01:42:41.000 Because I admire what you do.

01:42:43.000 So it drives me crazy.

01:42:44.000 Because you've taught me so much about bow hunting.

01:42:47.000 But you feel the same.

01:42:48.000 I used to feel the same about everything.

01:42:50.000 It's called imposter syndrome.

01:42:52.000 What's that mean?

01:42:54.000 When people have very high standards.

01:42:56.000 When people work hard and they have very high standards and then they become successful, they feel like an imposter.

01:43:00.000 They feel like there's no way because you're always wanting better and more.

01:43:05.000 As I've become famous and become friends with other famous people, when I meet them, I was out...

01:43:13.000 At a restaurant the other night and me and my wife were having dinner and Jamie Foxx came in and he comes up to me and gives me a big hug and I'm always like, why does he like me?

01:43:22.000 He's not supposed to like me.

01:43:24.000 It weirds me out that he even knows who I am.

01:43:26.000 He's like, you gotta meet my friend.

01:43:28.000 He's a huge fan of yours.

01:43:29.000 I'm like, What?

01:43:29.000 I don't have any fans.

01:43:31.000 What are you talking about?

01:43:32.000 He says, you're Jamie Foxx.

01:43:33.000 This is nuts just talking to you.

01:43:35.000 And then he brings me over to his friend.

01:43:37.000 I always feel like an imposter.

01:43:38.000 I feel like an imposter. 0.99

01:43:40.000 When we did that show in Portland, when you came to the show, I'm about to go on stage, just a fucking sold-out arena. 0.99

01:43:46.000 That's amazing. 0.98

01:43:46.000 And I still feel like an imposter. 0.98

01:43:48.000 As they're bringing me up, I'm like, this is so crazy.

01:43:50.000 It's amazing.

01:43:50.000 It feels fake.

01:43:51.000 So you get it.

01:43:52.000 I get it.

01:43:53.000 But it's just because I have a very high standard, and I work really hard, and I'm never satisfied.

01:43:58.000 So even though I know that I can do it, I do it every night.

01:44:02.000 I do stand-up every night.

01:44:03.000 I know, I know, I practice hard, I work hard, I write hard, I constantly do sets. 0.99

01:44:08.000 Even though, I still, I'm like, what in the fuck is this? 0.99

01:44:11.000 This is ridiculous. 1.00

01:44:13.000 Still, to this day. 0.96

01:44:14.000 Wow.

01:44:15.000 You know?

01:44:16.000 I get it.

01:44:17.000 I mean, just today people sent me a text.

01:44:20.000 Hey, I sent this to...

01:44:22.000 Joe must have changed his number.

01:44:24.000 Can you see if you can get me on the podcast?

01:44:27.000 And it's just like...

01:44:28.000 So I hear like that and I hear like, so what's Joe like?

01:44:32.000 So what's it like to do...

01:44:33.000 And it's just like...

01:44:35.000 I don't know.

01:44:36.000 However, I don't know how other famous people are, but how you are is like, all I ever say is like, he's the most generous, supportive person I've ever met.

01:44:44.000 So, however you're doing it, you've been a good, it's just somebody good to emulate, I think.

01:44:53.000 Well, I would say the same about you, man.

01:44:55.000 It means a lot to me to be your friend and to learn bow hunting from you.

01:44:59.000 To me, it's like, you know, there's, If you want to learn something, you want to learn something, what you want to learn is from someone who really understands it and really hasn't mastered it and spent a lifetime doing it.

01:45:11.000 So for me, you've cut probably decades off my learning curve of learning bowhunting and to be able to learn...

01:45:18.000 I mean, all those different things that we did to get close to those different bulls was all because of your years and years of experience.

01:45:25.000 And of course, Colton helped us as well.

01:45:27.000 He's a great guide and very knowledgeable hunter.

01:45:29.000 But even he defers to you because you've had so much experience.

01:45:33.000 So, to me, to have a guy like you out there that's such a great role model, that does it all the right way and works so hard, I mean, to learn from you has been gigantic.

01:45:46.000 You go out to that wall out there and see all those elk heads, that's all because of you, man.

01:45:50.000 I mean, it would have never happened.

01:45:52.000 I would have never been able to do it.

01:45:53.000 I definitely wouldn't have been able to be this successful this early, you know?

01:45:57.000 Well, I mean...

01:45:59.000 You've been...

01:46:00.000 Whatever position you've been put in, you've made the most of it.

01:46:03.000 That's what I say.

01:46:04.000 So a lot of people have been put in fortuitous situations that screw it up or don't make the most...

01:46:10.000 But because of your work ethic, you've made that 67-yard shot, which isn't easy for anybody.

01:46:16.000 In crunch time, you made that to perfection.

01:46:19.000 So that's you.

01:46:20.000 I mean, getting there, maybe, whatever, could have played a role in that.

01:46:24.000 But executing?

01:46:25.000 God...

01:46:26.000 It was so beautiful.

01:46:27.000 It was like seeing you kill that bull was definitely better. 0.81

01:46:31.000 Like when I kill, I'm just like, well, I did what I do. 0.71

01:46:36.000 This is what I'm supposed to do.

01:46:38.000 So I'm like, you have to be controlled.

01:46:40.000 And like you were even pretty controlled.

01:46:41.000 I wasn't controlled in that moment.

01:46:43.000 I was so happy and so...

01:46:47.000 I don't know what, just caught up in the moment.

01:46:50.000 It was beautiful to see.

01:46:51.000 I said it was one of the most beautiful shots I've ever seen, and that's true.

01:46:54.000 But it's just like, just to see that and have you be successful, it's like, God, it means everything.

01:47:01.000 It means everything to me too, man.

01:47:02.000 It does.

01:47:03.000 And to be able to do it with you, like I said in the video.

01:47:05.000 It means the world to me that I could do that, you know, with being your student and being able to learn from you and then to be able to execute like that in crunch time.

01:47:17.000 Oh, it was perfect. 0.90

01:47:18.000 Yeah, and now we fucked up and a lot of people are going to be in the woods bowhunting now. 0.98

01:47:24.000 But I hope they get something out of it, man. 0.96

01:47:26.000 I really hope people feel what we feel.

01:47:29.000 And then when you're eating it, you'll get that feeling.

01:47:33.000 It's completely incomparable.

01:47:36.000 There's nothing like it in terms of eating a meal.

01:47:39.000 Eating a meal from an animal that you tracked down and hunted yourself and shot yourself.

01:47:46.000 There's nothing like it.

01:47:47.000 Yeah.

01:47:48.000 No, it's amazing.

01:47:49.000 Hey, did you...

01:47:52.000 You were at the Comedy Store last night.

01:47:54.000 Yeah.

01:47:54.000 Are you there tonight?

01:47:55.000 Yep, yep.

01:47:56.000 You are?

01:47:56.000 Yeah, I'm tonight too.

01:47:58.000 I get to go.

01:47:58.000 Yeah, hell yeah.

01:47:59.000 I set up a show just because I knew you were going to be here. 0.99

01:48:03.000 I saw you there last night and I'm like, oh shit, I wonder if that was it. 0.99

01:48:09.000 No, no, no, no, no. 0.99

01:48:09.000 I'm there multiple nights. 0.99

01:48:10.000 I had two shows there last night and then I had a show at the Improv too.

01:48:14.000 Oh, nice.

01:48:16.000 That's the beautiful thing about being in L.A. I can grind it out.

01:48:20.000 I can do multiple shows a night.

01:48:22.000 I'll do two shows at the store, then I'll do two shows at the improv.

01:48:26.000 I do it all the time.

01:48:27.000 That's awesome.

01:48:28.000 It's amazing.

01:48:29.000 LA, for comedy, it's like the desert of comedy.

01:48:34.000 Was Chris and Callan there last night?

01:48:37.000 Chris and Callan, yeah, they were at the store.

01:48:40.000 I left them and I went over to the improv.

01:48:42.000 Did you see that video?

01:48:43.000 Ian Edwards.

01:48:44.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0.99

01:48:45.000 Ridiculous. 0.97

01:48:46.000 Callan was roaring like a dragon. 0.99

01:48:49.000 Yes.

01:48:51.000 Oh my God. 1.00

01:48:52.000 Those guys are so silly. 1.00

01:48:52.000 It was hilarious. 1.00

01:48:54.000 Yeah.

01:48:54.000 It was hilarious.

01:48:56.000 The comedy store, you've never been, right?

01:48:57.000 No, I've never been.

01:48:58.000 That's Mecca.

01:48:58.000 You're going to come to Mecca tonight.

01:49:00.000 Oh, I can't wait.

01:49:00.000 That's comedy Mecca.

01:49:02.000 There's no place like it on Earth.

01:49:03.000 And tonight it'll be mobbed.

01:49:04.000 Joey Diaz will probably be down there tonight.

01:49:06.000 It'll be incredible.

01:49:08.000 This day has been like, I figured if I can die after today, I'm good.

01:49:13.000 Because it's like, everything that's happened, then I get to go to the store.

01:49:17.000 It's like, man.

01:49:18.000 Now, what is this GQ thing you did today?

01:49:21.000 It was just, so they had me breaking down like archery and movies.

01:49:28.000 So I did Hunger Games and they filmed my reaction and got me like talking about if it's realistic.

01:49:35.000 So I did Jeremy Renner.

01:49:37.000 I did Robert De Niro.

01:49:39.000 He was in, God, some terrible movie.

01:49:43.000 And I don't even think he...

01:49:46.000 I was kind of surprised he was actually hunting with a bow in the movie.

01:49:50.000 What movie was that?

01:49:51.000 I don't know.

01:49:51.000 Was that a movie with him and John Travolta?

01:49:53.000 Yes, yes.

01:49:55.000 And they had a fight?

01:49:56.000 Yeah.

01:49:56.000 John Travolta played like a Russian?

01:49:58.000 Yeah, and he shot... 0.84

01:49:59.000 John Travolta shot an arrow at him.

01:50:01.000 So Robert De Niro was in a tree stand.

01:50:04.000 John Travolta shot and it stuck in the tree.

01:50:07.000 Robert De Niro fell out of the tree and broke his bow.

01:50:12.000 And so then he started crawling towards John Travolta for some reason.

01:50:17.000 Anyway, they had me.

01:50:18.000 But Robert De Niro actually had a pretty good anchor.

01:50:22.000 I mean, he looked pretty good with the bow.

01:50:24.000 Really?

01:50:24.000 He had a whisker biscuit on there, which wasn't good for the rest.

01:50:28.000 But he was going to shoot this bull.

01:50:31.000 This five-point bull came out, and he couldn't do it.

01:50:37.000 I don't know what happened.

01:50:38.000 He hesitated.

01:50:41.000 He felt bad?

01:50:42.000 Something like that.

01:50:43.000 I don't know what happened.

01:50:44.000 Let me see this, Jamie.

01:50:45.000 Do you have it?

01:50:46.000 Killing season.

01:50:47.000 Yes.

01:50:49.000 It's pretty intense.

01:50:50.000 That's not bad.

01:50:51.000 No, that's not it.

01:50:53.000 I don't like that grip.

01:50:54.000 He had a compound bow.

01:50:56.000 Oh, it's a different one?

01:50:58.000 Yeah, right there.

01:51:00.000 He looks like...

01:51:02.000 Look at him.

01:51:03.000 I know.

01:51:05.000 I like how he's wearing flannel, too.

01:51:06.000 He went old school.

01:51:07.000 His radio went off and it spooked the bull, but he jumped out and broke that bow.

01:51:14.000 Yeah, so I did that one.

01:51:16.000 So him and John Travolta were shooting arrows at each other?

01:51:18.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:51:18.000 How dumb was the movie? 0.99

01:51:20.000 Terrible. 1.00

01:51:20.000 It was terrible. 1.00

01:51:23.000 Apparently the new Rambo is unbelievably bad.

01:51:26.000 Yeah, we did Rambo too, because I said, I go, we have to do Rambo.

01:51:31.000 I want to talk about when he, do you remember when he had the exploding tip and he shot the guy?

01:51:35.000 Yes, yes.

01:51:36.000 That was awesome.

01:51:37.000 Why is he upside down?

01:51:38.000 He got caught in a trap.

01:51:40.000 Oh, Jesus.

01:51:41.000 Look at John Travolta's beard.

01:51:42.000 Oh, Jesus.

01:51:44.000 He's Russian.

01:51:45.000 Yeah.

01:51:45.000 How bad is his accent?

01:51:46.000 I don't know.

01:51:48.000 Is it atrocious?

01:51:49.000 I'm sure.

01:51:50.000 Killing season.

01:51:51.000 What is it to get on Rotten Tomatoes?

01:51:53.000 Go to Rotten Tomatoes.

01:51:54.000 One.

01:51:54.000 I want to see a three.

01:51:56.000 What is it?

01:51:57.000 Please tell me it's like 13. Ten percent.

01:51:59.000 Ten! 0.97

01:51:59.000 That's impressive. 0.97

01:52:00.000 Ten.

01:52:00.000 That's pretty low.

01:52:03.000 That's pretty high.

01:52:04.000 Well, yeah.

01:52:04.000 Should be a lot lower than that.

01:52:07.000 Look at him.

01:52:07.000 Hey, what happened?

01:52:09.000 Uh-oh.

01:52:10.000 Oh no.

01:52:11.000 He shot me.

01:52:11.000 Let me get up.

01:52:12.000 He's trying to get up.

01:52:13.000 What is he doing?

01:52:14.000 Oh.

01:52:15.000 Oh, he hurt his ankle?

01:52:16.000 No, he took one to the calf.

01:52:18.000 Oh, did he?

01:52:18.000 Yeah.

01:52:19.000 An arrow?

01:52:20.000 I think.

01:52:21.000 I don't know.

01:52:22.000 I just wanted to hear his voice.

01:52:23.000 Oh boy.

01:52:26.000 It's hilarious.

01:52:28.000 Yeah.

01:52:28.000 Yeah, there's very few movies that depict bow hunting correctly.

01:52:35.000 Yeah, I didn't see any.

01:52:36.000 What is this?

01:52:37.000 He's holding him?

01:52:38.000 He's got the arrow there? 0.91

01:52:39.000 You attack him before he draws. 1.00

01:52:43.000 Just shoot me. 1.00

01:52:44.000 Just shoot me. 1.00

01:52:46.000 Come on. 1.00

01:52:47.000 Listen to the Russian. 1.00

01:52:49.000 Shoot the shit. 1.00

01:52:50.000 Oh, boy. 1.00

01:52:51.000 Pull this.

01:52:52.000 Stop that right now.

01:52:54.000 I cannot.

01:52:55.000 I can't do this.

01:52:58.000 No.

01:52:59.000 No, no, no.

01:53:00.000 The best form I saw in any of the movies that I reviewed for them today was, I think it's called Brave.

01:53:09.000 It was an animated movie.

01:53:10.000 Oh, yeah.

01:53:11.000 And the red-headed girl.

01:53:12.000 Yeah.

01:53:13.000 Not bad.

01:53:13.000 She actually had perfect form.

01:53:15.000 Really?

01:53:15.000 Yes.

01:53:16.000 Oh, let me see that.

01:53:17.000 Is there a movie, though, where someone bowhunts correctly?

01:53:23.000 I mean, is there one movie?

01:53:25.000 Yeah, right here.

01:53:26.000 Let me see her.

01:53:26.000 Like, watch her form.

01:53:28.000 When she... 0.99

01:53:29.000 Oh, here, they're teaching her how to shoot?

01:53:33.000 Yeah, I think so.

01:53:36.000 Yeah, but you'll see her.

01:53:38.000 She steps up there, and it's the confidence.

01:53:41.000 Ah, the confidence.

01:53:42.000 The confidence.

01:53:43.000 So you know she's going to put her on the X. Here she is. 0.84

01:53:48.000 Watch this confidence.

01:53:50.000 And the attitude.

01:53:51.000 See that?

01:53:52.000 She's pretty bossy. 1.00

01:53:53.000 My kids did not like this movie.

01:53:55.000 Watch this.

01:53:56.000 For some weird movie.

01:53:58.000 For some weird reason.

01:53:59.000 Her dress is too tight.

01:54:02.000 See that?

01:54:03.000 Uh-huh.

01:54:04.000 Back, son.

01:54:05.000 Now watch this.

01:54:07.000 On the move.

01:54:08.000 That's pretty good.

01:54:10.000 I know, but watch this last one.

01:54:13.000 This one's...

01:54:14.000 Uh-huh.

01:54:15.000 Yeah, right here.

01:54:18.000 Dun-dun-dun.

01:54:20.000 Look at this.

01:54:22.000 Watch this form.

01:54:23.000 And this is with a broadhead.

01:54:27.000 With distractions, she's so focused.

01:54:31.000 The feather cut her face a little for some reason.

01:54:35.000 Oh, I like how the arrows wiggle in like a real arrow.

01:54:37.000 I know.

01:54:38.000 But watch this.

01:54:42.000 Look at this.

01:54:44.000 Ah, she Robin Hoods it. 1.00

01:54:45.000 I know. 0.78

01:54:47.000 Pretty damn impressive.

01:54:48.000 See that?

01:54:50.000 So, that's what I say.

01:54:51.000 All the ones that I reviewed today...

01:54:53.000 That's the best.

01:54:54.000 That's the best.

01:54:55.000 Yeah, look at her release. 0.93

01:54:56.000 I know.

01:54:56.000 See that follow-through?

01:54:57.000 Yeah, follow-through is excellent.

01:54:59.000 Very sweet.

01:55:00.000 But there's no movie where bow hunting is accurately depicted.

01:55:05.000 I don't think so.

01:55:05.000 No movie.

01:55:06.000 No.

01:55:07.000 I'm trying to think of a movie that even involves bow hunting.

01:55:12.000 Can you think of one?

01:55:14.000 No, not bow hunting.

01:55:16.000 No, I mean there's Deliverance where he winds up hunting people.

01:55:20.000 Remember?

01:55:20.000 Yeah.

01:55:21.000 Burt Reynolds.

01:55:22.000 I wanted to do that one, but they didn't have that today.

01:55:24.000 They had Walking Dead.

01:55:26.000 They had... 0.68

01:55:27.000 That's ridiculous that they call that a bow. 1.00

01:55:29.000 That's a shitty gun. 1.00

01:55:30.000 That's what I said. 0.99

01:55:31.000 I said, I'm not down with the crossbow.

01:55:34.000 And you got a rotten...

01:55:37.000 A rotten corpse head and it's stopping an arrow.

01:55:40.000 It's not a pass-through?

01:55:41.000 Excuse me?

01:55:42.000 Yeah, it's outrageous.

01:55:42.000 Yeah, it sticks in their head.

01:55:43.000 What is this, Jim?

01:55:44.000 I don't know how we missed this, but Samuel L. Jackson plays in a movie called Big Game where I think he might have been Secret Service protecting the president.

01:55:52.000 Either way, the plane crashes or something and he ends up with a kid and learning how to bow hunt to survive.

01:55:58.000 Oh, really?

01:55:58.000 Really?

01:55:59.000 It came out three or four years ago. 1.00

01:56:01.000 Oh, this shit must have went straight to V. Yeah. 0.99

01:56:04.000 It doesn't look fantastic. 1.00

01:56:05.000 I've never heard of it.

01:56:07.000 They bowhunt to survive?

01:56:09.000 Oh, and now he's getting in a fight?

01:56:11.000 Yeah, I typed in bowhunting movies, and this was the most recent one, I think.

01:56:14.000 Oh, that's hilarious.

01:56:15.000 He jumps on a helicopter?

01:56:16.000 I don't know.

01:56:16.000 I mean, there's one.

01:56:17.000 There's one for you.

01:56:18.000 Stop that before I get brain damaged. 0.54

01:56:20.000 Yeah.

01:56:21.000 But isn't it interesting?

01:56:22.000 You would think that there would be a way to make a movie that involves bowhunting that would be interesting.

01:56:27.000 You'd think so.

01:56:28.000 Yeah, like the movie.

01:56:29.000 There's only a couple good pool movies.

01:56:32.000 It's like The Hustler with Paul Newman and Jackie Gleason, and then The Color of Money with Paul Newman and Tom Cruise.

01:56:39.000 Those are the big ones.

01:56:40.000 The Color of Money changed Poole.

01:56:42.000 When that movie came out in 1986, it just literally Poole exploded.

01:56:47.000 The same as in the 1960s when The Hustler came out.

01:56:50.000 Poole exploded.

01:56:51.000 So Poole had two giant explosions where people really...

01:56:55.000 Started going to pool halls.

01:56:56.000 They wanted to learn how to play pool good.

01:56:57.000 And then with the Hunger Games, apparently a lot of people got into archery because of Jennifer Lawrence.

01:57:03.000 We got a beautiful woman shooting a bow. 1.00

01:57:05.000 That's what I said.

01:57:06.000 Looking like a badass.

01:57:07.000 Yeah, the confidence is a key.

01:57:09.000 And she's hot. 1.00

01:57:11.000 She's hot. 1.00

01:57:11.000 And then she's got a bow. 1.00

01:57:12.000 It's like 10 times hotter.

01:57:15.000 Both those things are good.

01:57:15.000 Yeah.

01:57:16.000 So, yeah.

01:57:17.000 And what was good with her was she could go from having the bow to grabbing an arrow to putting it on the string to shooting in like half a second.

01:57:29.000 Yeah.

01:57:30.000 And just over.

01:57:31.000 Wow.

01:57:31.000 I go, that's not easy to do.

01:57:33.000 Well, she must have had some serious training just to be able to pull that off on film.

01:57:38.000 Yeah.

01:57:38.000 Yeah, and I think she shot a Hoyt, and I think she took lessons from a Hoyt shooter.

01:57:43.000 And same thing with even Rambo's old bow, I believe, was a Hoyt.

01:57:47.000 Really?

01:57:48.000 Yeah.

01:57:48.000 That's hilarious.

01:57:49.000 I know.

01:57:50.000 But yeah, he had the exploding tip, and the bad guy was shooting, ran out of bullets with his gun, threw it down, pulled his pistol out, and was shooting at Rambo, and Rambo just stood up there just like...

01:58:04.000 You're not going to hit me.

01:58:05.000 Oh, here she is, landing how to shoot. 0.97

01:58:06.000 Right.

01:58:07.000 That's not her, I guess.

01:58:08.000 That's her coach teaching the reporter. 0.90

01:58:10.000 Oh, so this is the woman who coached Jennifer Lawrence. 0.91

01:58:13.000 Yeah.

01:58:13.000 Oh, okay.

01:58:14.000 I want to see Jennifer Lawrence.

01:58:15.000 I don't even know this chick. 1.00

01:58:16.000 That's who I thought it was. 1.00

01:58:17.000 Fuck out of here with this. 1.00

01:58:18.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:58:19.000 But that did get a lot of people involved in archery.

01:58:22.000 It did.

01:58:22.000 Girls, especially.

01:58:23.000 Yeah.

01:58:23.000 Yeah, young girls.

01:58:24.000 Apparently, what is her name?

01:58:26.000 Gina Davis?

01:58:27.000 Yeah.

01:58:27.000 Gina Davis is a big-time archer.

01:58:29.000 She loves her.

01:58:29.000 She shoots, yeah.

01:58:30.000 I've seen that.

01:58:31.000 She shoots competitions, right?

01:58:32.000 Doesn't she?

01:58:33.000 I think so.

01:58:33.000 Yeah.

01:58:34.000 She's done some Target competitions. 0.83

01:58:36.000 Yeah.

01:58:36.000 And Ivanka Trump.

01:58:39.000 Does she?

01:58:39.000 I saw her with a bow before.

01:58:41.000 Well, obviously, Donald Jr. is the biggest one in the family.

01:58:44.000 Donald Jr. is a legit bowhunter.

01:58:46.000 Yeah.

01:58:46.000 He shot a giant bull in Colorado this year.

01:58:49.000 Did he?

01:58:50.000 Yeah.

01:58:50.000 Oh, I didn't even know that.

01:58:51.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:58:51.000 He sent it to Dudley.

01:58:52.000 He sent a picture of it to Dudley.

01:58:53.000 Dudley showed it to me on his phone.

01:58:55.000 Really? 0.97

01:58:55.000 Big-ass bull. 0.97

01:58:56.000 Yeah.

01:58:57.000 God, I didn't see that.

01:58:58.000 I want to see it.

01:58:58.000 Yeah, he shot a great bull.

01:58:59.000 Yeah.

01:59:00.000 Wow.

01:59:01.000 Huh.

01:59:01.000 Yeah, he's a legit bowhunter.

01:59:02.000 I mean, that guy loves bowhunting.

01:59:04.000 He hunts a lot.

01:59:05.000 Yeah.

01:59:06.000 No, he's definitely an avid outdoorsman.

01:59:09.000 I mean, he's always putting up stuff with his kids.

01:59:12.000 He learned a lot from Dudley, too.

01:59:14.000 Did he?

01:59:15.000 Yeah, Dudley taught him quite a bit.

01:59:17.000 Gave him quite a bit of training.

01:59:19.000 Yeah.

01:59:19.000 Yeah, but there's not a single movie where someone goes bowhunting.

01:59:24.000 There should be.

01:59:24.000 Like, you would think that that could be, I mean, that could be a good movie.

01:59:28.000 Is that Gene Davis?

01:59:28.000 She's shooting an Olympic recurve.

01:59:33.000 Yeah.

01:59:34.000 She tried out for the Olympic team?

01:59:36.000 Yeah.

01:59:36.000 Finished 24th out of 300 women.

01:59:38.000 Not bad.

01:59:39.000 Yeah.

01:59:39.000 In the Olympics, you know, it's no compound.

01:59:42.000 It's bows just like that.

01:59:43.000 Wow.

01:59:44.000 I think it's 70 meters.

01:59:46.000 And they put them in there.

01:59:48.000 Wow.

01:59:49.000 But you didn't find any of...

01:59:51.000 Look at her. 0.97

01:59:51.000 She looks fucking super legit. 0.97

01:59:53.000 Look at her form. 0.99

01:59:54.000 I know.

01:59:55.000 Her grip hand.

01:59:56.000 Everything.

01:59:56.000 Yeah.

01:59:57.000 They are such good shooters.

01:59:58.000 It's amazing how good they get.

02:00:01.000 Yeah, with tabs.

02:00:02.000 I mean, it's crazy.

02:00:03.000 Like, you're shooting off your fingers.

02:00:05.000 Yeah.

02:00:05.000 And you're shooting really accurately.

02:00:07.000 Is she still doing it?

02:00:09.000 That's what I was looking up.

02:00:09.000 They made a video with her on Funny or Die.

02:00:11.000 Let me see that video.

02:00:12.000 Archery tricks.

02:00:13.000 Is this it?

02:00:14.000 It's a joke.

02:00:15.000 You said I don't know how much of it is real.

02:00:17.000 Or it's for Funny or Die, so I don't know what the context was.

02:00:20.000 It's a couple years old.

02:00:20.000 She's got a gun, too.

02:00:21.000 Mm-hmm.

02:00:22.000 Look at her.

02:00:23.000 So it's just...

02:00:24.000 Oh, so you don't actually get to see.

02:00:26.000 Oh, okay. 0.99

02:00:27.000 You're just being silly. 0.99

02:00:28.000 Look at her form. 1.00

02:00:29.000 There's her form. 0.98

02:00:30.000 Yeah, look at that.

02:00:33.000 We never saw Jennifer Lawrence practicing.

02:00:36.000 That's that video.

02:00:37.000 She practiced in hiding.

02:00:39.000 I know.

02:00:40.000 I want to see it.

02:00:41.000 She obviously has got to have a lot of training the way she executes. 1.00

02:00:47.000 When you see Keanu Reeves and John Wick, you're like, okay, that guy had some fucking training. 0.99

02:00:53.000 Yeah, shooting. 0.99

02:00:53.000 100%. 0.99

02:00:54.000 There's no doubt about it.

02:00:56.000 I just started doing that recently at the same place where he learned.

02:01:00.000 Oh, right. 0.99

02:01:00.000 It's fucking hard as shit. 0.99

02:01:01.000 I saw that. 1.00

02:01:02.000 It's hard, man.

02:01:03.000 Really?

02:01:03.000 Yeah, it's another thing that you're going to get obsessed with because it's just so technical.

02:01:07.000 There's so much technique involved in it.

02:01:09.000 Was that part of your Sober October? 0.98

02:01:11.000 Yeah, we're doing a bunch of different classes, all sorts of different shit. 0.98

02:01:15.000 That's cool. 0.82

02:01:15.000 It's fun, man. 0.82

02:01:17.000 Speaking of famous people hunting, how about Scott Eastwood on his bull?

02:01:21.000 How about Scott Eastwood?

02:01:22.000 First ever bull.

02:01:23.000 I know.

02:01:24.000 I know.

02:01:25.000 First day in camp.

02:01:26.000 He was the first guy to kill.

02:01:27.000 I know. 0.57

02:01:28.000 Made a hell of a shot.

02:01:30.000 55 yards.

02:01:32.000 He's a great guy, too.

02:01:33.000 Yeah, I know.

02:01:34.000 I mean, when we did that podcast with him, we got to know him, and he's just a sweetheart of a guy.

02:01:38.000 That's how he is all the time.

02:01:39.000 Yeah.

02:01:39.000 I know.

02:01:40.000 Super friendly guy.

02:01:41.000 Yeah.

02:01:41.000 Boy, was he beaming.

02:01:42.000 He came back to camp. 1.00

02:01:44.000 First guy to kill. 0.99

02:01:45.000 Big smile on his face. 1.00

02:01:46.000 Heck yeah.

02:01:46.000 So the rest of the days he was at camp, he was just smiling.

02:01:48.000 I know.

02:01:49.000 Just so happy.

02:01:50.000 I know.

02:01:50.000 He got his bull.

02:01:51.000 And a nice bull, too.

02:01:52.000 Oh, heck yeah.

02:01:53.000 That was a big bull.

02:01:54.000 Yeah, that was awesome.

02:01:55.000 I mean, we've hunted with Chris Pratt, Jocko, Andy Stump.

02:01:59.000 I mean, we've had some great times.

02:02:02.000 And Andy's bull.

02:02:05.000 You see that video?

02:02:06.000 Yeah, it's amazing.

02:02:07.000 Came in to three or four yards or whatever.

02:02:09.000 And then luckily they got to stop at like 18 or 20, whatever it was.

02:02:15.000 Another crunch time, like coming through in crunch time.

02:02:17.000 Last day.

02:02:18.000 I know.

02:02:19.000 Yeah.

02:02:20.000 I know.

02:02:20.000 He had very few opportunities.

02:02:22.000 He just, you know, bow hunting is hard.

02:02:24.000 I mean, I always have, the last three years, I've scheduled two bow hunts a year.

02:02:30.000 Yeah.

02:02:30.000 Because, two elk hunts a year, because I keep thinking, I'm not going to be successful.

02:02:35.000 Yeah.

02:02:35.000 I'm going to, it's not, I'm going to come up short.

02:02:37.000 Odds are, yeah.

02:02:37.000 And then I'll get, I'll at least get, maybe I'll have two opportunities for the second hunt, and I'll be able to get a second bull.

02:02:43.000 Yeah.

02:02:44.000 Yeah.

02:02:44.000 Well, you've made the most of it.

02:02:47.000 I've been lucky as shit. 0.98

02:02:48.000 I know. 0.99

02:02:48.000 Now you've got one next week. 0.99

02:02:50.000 Yeah, I'm very excited.

02:02:51.000 I know.

02:02:52.000 I mean, it's an interesting thing, the camaraderie in camp, too, because those kind of camps, like we had two weeks ago in Utah, it's like we've got a group of some of the best people I know.

02:03:05.000 Yeah.

02:03:05.000 Everyone's hanging out, and just some of the nicest, friendliest people, and especially early in the week, everybody's on the grind, man.

02:03:13.000 I know.

02:03:13.000 Everybody's on the grind.

02:03:14.000 Yeah, it's all business. 0.99

02:03:15.000 Yeah, it's serious, serious fucking business, you know? 0.99

02:03:19.000 I had to leave an elk hunt to come there. 0.99

02:03:22.000 That's right.

02:03:22.000 And it was still worth it.

02:03:24.000 It was so fun.

02:03:27.000 I'm like, there's no way I'm going to miss this camp.

02:03:29.000 It was cool to meet Levi Morgan, too.

02:03:31.000 Yeah.

02:03:31.000 He's a really nice guy.

02:03:33.000 Oh, I know.

02:03:33.000 And I've watched his television show before.

02:03:35.000 And he's another one, just an elite world champion archer.

02:03:38.000 Yeah.

02:03:39.000 It's just like any time, I always feel lucky to be able to rub elbows with people like that at that level.

02:03:45.000 And just feel like, I don't know, and just talk with them.

02:03:48.000 It's just like, Man, that was amazing. 0.95

02:03:51.000 To be able to show Levi Morgan that shot that you filmed, that was fucking beautiful too. 0.52

02:03:56.000 Yeah, that was fun. 0.83

02:03:58.000 It's just so cool to be in that camp because, you know, it's everybody in that group is, they all get it.

02:04:06.000 Everybody's obsessed with the same thing.

02:04:08.000 Everybody's obsessed with success in bow hunting and here we are, the one week that everybody looks forward to most on earth.

02:04:16.000 Yeah.

02:04:16.000 All year long.

02:04:17.000 You look forward to this one week on Earth.

02:04:19.000 This is the rut in Utah during elk season when there was no moon.

02:04:25.000 So they're going off.

02:04:27.000 Couldn't have been better timed. 1.00

02:04:29.000 They were fucking... 1.00

02:04:30.000 Dudley's into that moon shit, man. 1.00

02:04:31.000 He'll tell you about moon phases and this and that. 1.00

02:04:33.000 He writes articles about it.

02:04:34.000 So he was like, this week is going to be amazing.

02:04:37.000 And it was.

02:04:38.000 Oh my God.

02:04:39.000 Those bulls went crazy.

02:04:40.000 I was watching that clip the other day.

02:04:43.000 Like I said, I watched when Colton pulled out that tenderloin, but I also watched that first...

02:04:47.000 I thought the bull was going to be dead.

02:04:49.000 55 yards.

02:04:50.000 We're under that spruce tree.

02:04:52.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:04:53.000 And that was a big bull standing out there.

02:04:55.000 Oh, it was so close.

02:04:56.000 So close.

02:04:57.000 When I drew back, he was looking right at me, and he was like, fuck this! 1.00

02:05:00.000 I know. 0.99

02:05:01.000 But reliving those moments, I'm so thankful we have the phones and the video.

02:05:06.000 Yeah.

02:05:07.000 It's crazy how good the video is, too.

02:05:09.000 I know.

02:05:10.000 It's just amazing. 0.99

02:05:11.000 A phone, this frickin' phone filming your kill shot. 0.99

02:05:14.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:05:14.000 And it's like clear as day. 0.99

02:05:16.000 Crystal clear, 4K, perfect.

02:05:19.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:05:20.000 I can almost watch it too much.

02:05:22.000 I can almost watch it too much.

02:05:23.000 I mean, I gotta stay in the moment.

02:05:24.000 Yeah.

02:05:25.000 You know?

02:05:26.000 No.

02:05:26.000 It's pretty special to be able to see it, though.

02:05:29.000 Yeah.

02:05:30.000 Well, that one that we did for Under Armour.

02:05:32.000 I've watched that video at least a hundred times.

02:05:34.000 Have you? 1.00

02:05:35.000 Oh, fuck yeah. 1.00

02:05:36.000 That shot through the trees. 1.00

02:05:37.000 Great video.

02:05:39.000 This one I like just because you can actually see that arrow kind of tracking.

02:05:43.000 It comes in and it tracks and just hits money.

02:05:46.000 Yeah, no, that's better for sure.

02:05:48.000 The other one was like, I was shooting through a hole.

02:05:51.000 I had to thread the needle and punch it through that hole in the trees.

02:05:56.000 And you did.

02:05:57.000 Yeah. 0.93

02:05:58.000 But being able to execute during crunch time, it's so fucking satisfying. 0.75

02:06:02.000 That's what gets me up and makes me practice hours and hours. 0.63

02:06:06.000 And it's just like you feel you did what you were supposed to do and it's just like there's pressure because there's pressure.

02:06:14.000 You're carrying this pressure and then it's gone.

02:06:17.000 It's gone.

02:06:17.000 It's gone for a second.

02:06:19.000 For a second.

02:06:20.000 And then the pressure is you've got to be able to do it again next time.

02:06:22.000 I know.

02:06:23.000 So you can't rest on your laurels.

02:06:24.000 Because it never gets easier.

02:06:25.000 No, it never gets easier.

02:06:26.000 It's like success is fleeting.

02:06:30.000 You've got to keep grinding and it's like one failure seemingly wipes out years of success.

02:06:36.000 You know what I mean?

02:06:37.000 You screw up one time and you're just like, oh my god.

02:06:40.000 It's devastating.

02:06:41.000 Like I said, it's like It can be soul-crushing.

02:06:45.000 Well, you're only as good as your last execution of whatever you're trying to do, whether it's your last comedy show, your last bow hunt, your last arrow you released.

02:06:55.000 You're only as good as that. 1.00

02:06:56.000 If you release a bad arrow and you hit a deer in the ass, you're like, fuck! 1.00

02:07:00.000 And then your head is like, that's what I do. 1.00

02:07:03.000 I shoot deers in the ass. 1.00

02:07:04.000 And then they run away. 1.00

02:07:06.000 You forget everything else.

02:07:07.000 Yeah, you can't.

02:07:08.000 But that's also what makes me practice so much.

02:07:12.000 It's like I don't ever want to feel that.

02:07:14.000 It's like one of those things, you have to be obsessed.

02:07:16.000 You're going to be mediocre unless you're obsessed.

02:07:20.000 Yeah, I think bow hunting is a very strange thing because it's not just hunting.

02:07:25.000 It's an athletic pursuit, it's a discipline, and it requires so much.

02:07:30.000 You know, when I was at Terran Tactical the other day, I was shooting rifles.

02:07:34.000 I didn't miss once.

02:07:35.000 It's like clink, clink, clink.

02:07:37.000 It's just, you know, I'm on a bench.

02:07:39.000 Just trigger discipline.

02:07:40.000 Pull, pull, pull. 1.00

02:07:41.000 Let a surprise release go off.

02:07:43.000 Right.

02:07:44.000 It's, you know, hunting like that is difficult, but it's not comparable.

02:07:50.000 There's nothing like bow hunting.

02:07:51.000 It's the most difficult, but also the most satisfying.

02:07:54.000 Yeah.

02:07:55.000 And it's a, it's, I hate to use the term, because it's such an overused term, but it's a spiritual pursuit.

02:08:02.000 It is.

02:08:02.000 There's something very spiritual about bow hunting, and it's, when that shot landed, and that's one of the things that happens, like, our spirits are uplifted.

02:08:11.000 Yeah.

02:08:11.000 We did it!

02:08:13.000 The grind is over for this one day, for this one moment, we did it.

02:08:18.000 And it always feels the same thing to me.

02:08:20.000 After it's over, and after the animal's down, and after we're thankful, it never feels real.

02:08:26.000 It's like, is this real?

02:08:27.000 Did this really happen?

02:08:28.000 Did I really shoot this thing?

02:08:29.000 It never feels real.

02:08:30.000 It always feels like that.

02:08:32.000 Last year when I shot that giant one at Tejon Ranch, same thing.

02:08:35.000 Didn't feel real.

02:08:36.000 I'm standing over that thing.

02:08:37.000 It's like, is this real?

02:08:39.000 It doesn't feel real.

02:08:40.000 It just feels strange.

02:08:42.000 I wonder why that is.

02:08:44.000 I don't know.

02:08:44.000 I'm crazy, probably.

02:08:47.000 Even when things go well for me, there's a part of my brain, and I think this is because I've been obsessed with so many different things, and I kind of understand...

02:09:01.000 My own pitfalls and the only traps that I can fall into. 0.80

02:09:05.000 So anytime anything happens that's great, even if it's fucking amazing.

02:09:08.000 Like, yeah, it feels good for a little bit. 0.99

02:09:10.000 And then almost immediately afterwards, I think, you better get back to work, bitch. 1.00

02:09:14.000 Better get back to work. 0.99

02:09:16.000 Because you can't start thinking you're awesome now.

02:09:18.000 You can't get confused.

02:09:20.000 You know what I mean?

02:09:21.000 That's why I always say, like, you know, someone asked me once, like, what's the secret to your success?

02:09:27.000 One of the big secrets is I'm not a fan of me.

02:09:30.000 Right.

02:09:30.000 I don't think I'm awesome.

02:09:32.000 Yeah.

02:09:34.000 I'm not that impressed with me.

02:09:35.000 Right.

02:09:36.000 So I know what I need to do to be successful, and then I'm the guy who's telling me, get out, get up, go, go, go, do it, do it, do it.

02:09:44.000 So anytime anything happens, it's great. 0.99

02:09:46.000 I'm like, settle down, bitch. 1.00

02:09:48.000 That's exactly how I feel. 1.00

02:09:49.000 I think you have to feel like that.

02:09:51.000 Exactly how I feel.

02:09:51.000 Alexander Gustafson was talking about that once, and he was talking about the mindset that you have to be to be an elite professional athlete.

02:09:59.000 You're never satisfied.

02:10:00.000 There's no way.

02:10:01.000 And I think anything that's difficult, difficult pursuits, whether it's stand-up comedy or whether it's bow hunting or even ultra-marathon running, no matter what you do that's hard to do, once it's over, you better not enjoy it for too long.

02:10:16.000 You better get back to work.

02:10:18.000 Get back to work.

02:10:18.000 You have to.

02:10:19.000 Get back on that horse, I know.

02:10:20.000 You're going to always feel that good feeling if you think about it at all.

02:10:24.000 I always have that video.

02:10:25.000 I always feel that good feeling.

02:10:26.000 If I want to feel good, I'll watch that shot.

02:10:28.000 Yeah.

02:10:28.000 But don't think about it too much.

02:10:30.000 No.

02:10:31.000 You better get back to work.

02:10:32.000 Yeah.

02:10:33.000 That's exactly how I feel.

02:10:36.000 It's so hard to get, and then it's gone.

02:10:41.000 Yeah.

02:10:41.000 Because you can...

02:10:43.000 I mean, you got to prove it every time.

02:10:44.000 But the real fun is in the struggle.

02:10:48.000 And that's what's hard for people to get their head around.

02:10:50.000 It's the struggle, but then not winning, but succeeding.

02:10:56.000 Succeeding, yes.

02:10:57.000 And that's what you see in that video.

02:10:59.000 Yeah.

02:11:00.000 Because the struggle is so evident.

02:11:02.000 And then the success.

02:11:03.000 And it's just like, oh my God, this feels almost surreal.

02:11:07.000 Yeah.

02:11:09.000 Just amazing.

02:11:11.000 But then it's like, God, I want to feel that again, but I got to earn it.

02:11:15.000 You got to earn it. 0.99

02:11:16.000 And it doesn't give a fuck who you are. 0.98

02:11:19.000 I mean, it's one of the things that I love about archery. 0.99

02:11:21.000 It's the same thing I like about pool.

02:11:23.000 It's the same thing I like about a lot of things that are absolute.

02:11:26.000 Like when pool, the ball either goes in the hole or it doesn't. 0.99

02:11:29.000 That ball doesn't give a fuck who you are. 1.00

02:11:31.000 It doesn't give a shit. 1.00

02:11:32.000 The same thing with arrows being released. 0.98

02:11:34.000 If you don't hit it right...

02:11:36.000 Yeah.

02:11:37.000 You don't release it right.

02:11:38.000 You don't aim perfect.

02:11:39.000 You can be the best in the world. 1.00

02:11:40.000 And fuck up. 1.00

02:11:41.000 You screw up a shot. 1.00

02:11:42.000 Fuck yeah. 1.00

02:11:43.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:11:44.000 And the animals don't.

02:11:45.000 They're not cutting anybody a break.

02:11:48.000 Right.

02:11:48.000 They're wild animals in the mounds.

02:11:51.000 And you just got to...

02:11:52.000 I mean...

02:11:53.000 It's tough.

02:11:54.000 But it is...

02:11:55.000 When you mention spiritual endeavor, I remember when I was in San Carlos this year.

02:12:01.000 This is, you know, native land.

02:12:03.000 And it's very special for me to hunt there with the Apache tribe there.

02:12:09.000 And I remember I was standing on top of this ridge and the wind was coming through there.

02:12:14.000 And it felt like...

02:12:16.000 I told the guys there this too, that it felt like...

02:12:21.000 The wind was moaning.

02:12:23.000 There's so much...

02:12:24.000 I don't know if it's emotion.

02:12:26.000 I don't know if there's life in there, but it felt different.

02:12:30.000 And it's like, when are you ever going to be in a situation where you're going to be so in tune where it feels like that?

02:12:39.000 And that's with the bow and...

02:12:43.000 I don't know.

02:12:44.000 I think something about San Carlos, too, when you know that this is Indian land, it's got like a special feeling connected to it.

02:12:52.000 For me, it did, yeah.

02:12:55.000 And I come to find out that in that canyon there...

02:12:59.000 There's these caves down there.

02:13:01.000 There's a mummified body in there, apparently, and there's three different levels to the cave.

02:13:06.000 There's arrows in there.

02:13:08.000 To this day?

02:13:09.000 Right now.

02:13:10.000 Right, yeah.

02:13:11.000 That was a story I told about a mile down from where I said it sounded like the wind was moaning. 0.99

02:13:17.000 Fuck, why didn't you go there? 0.99

02:13:19.000 Apparently they have it barred up now because there's people who steal artifacts who are getting in there. 1.00

02:13:25.000 I want to look at this.

02:13:26.000 I know.

02:13:26.000 Amazing.

02:13:27.000 But the history of that land.

02:13:29.000 I've seen an old arrow.

02:13:32.000 You find an arrow with a broadhead on the ground from hundreds of years ago.

02:13:35.000 That'd be incredible. 1.00

02:13:37.000 Fuck. 1.00

02:13:37.000 I found a broadhead. 1.00

02:13:39.000 A little Flint broadhead in Nevada.

02:13:43.000 Yeah.

02:13:43.000 But I mean, I don't know of anybody that's ever found one with an arrow.

02:13:48.000 Yeah, apparently there's 25 or 27 arrows in there.

02:13:52.000 Whoa.

02:13:53.000 I know.

02:13:53.000 Incredible.

02:13:54.000 I'll just take a picture.

02:13:55.000 There is definitely a connection, and then it just feels different to me there.

02:14:00.000 And it's like I feel so much...

02:14:04.000 I feel honored to hunt there with the Apache, the guys from the reservation.

02:14:11.000 That's also a place where very few people get to be.

02:14:14.000 So you know that when you're there, you're sharing the land with very few people.

02:14:18.000 So you got to feel like super lucky.

02:14:21.000 I do.

02:14:22.000 I never thought I'd ever be.

02:14:25.000 I mean, everybody knows there's giant bulls there.

02:14:28.000 How could I ever be the guy who gets to hunt there?

02:14:31.000 It's like never, never thought that would happen.

02:14:35.000 The bull you shot there this year is insane.

02:14:38.000 Yeah.

02:14:38.000 They're so big.

02:14:39.000 It's a big old bull.

02:14:41.000 The hardest part with that hunt is you could go there. 0.91

02:14:44.000 You could kill a bull. 0.99

02:14:46.000 If you just wanted to kill a bull, you could make it happen. 1.00

02:14:49.000 But killing a big old bull is hard. 1.00

02:14:56.000 That's the hardest. 0.97

02:14:57.000 That's hard anywhere.

02:15:00.000 And then if you're killing an old bull there, it's going to be giant.

02:15:03.000 I mean, they're just special animals.

02:15:06.000 Incredible.

02:15:07.000 Now, this is because there's supposed to be two different kinds of elk, right?

02:15:11.000 That there was a Rocky Mountain elk and a Yellowstone elk.

02:15:14.000 That's what I've heard, yeah.

02:15:15.000 What is that gentleman's name that he hunts at the Deseret and he also hunts down there?

02:15:19.000 Oh, Steve Johnson.

02:15:20.000 Yes.

02:15:21.000 He was explaining this to me.

02:15:23.000 Yeah.

02:15:23.000 The Yellowstone elk was a larger breed of elk.

02:15:27.000 It makes sense.

02:15:28.000 They're giant.

02:15:28.000 They had larger antlers, and you see them in the Gila, you see them in New Mexico, and that area in particular in San Carlos has a bunch of those elk.

02:15:38.000 They also think that that's what's in Tejon Ranch.

02:15:41.000 Oh, really?

02:15:42.000 Yeah, that's why they're so big.

02:15:43.000 Well, those are giant, too.

02:15:44.000 Yeah.

02:15:45.000 It's also, you know, they don't have a winter like they do in the mountains of Utah or Colorado or something like that.

02:15:51.000 Right, yeah, where they've got to survive the winter months.

02:15:53.000 I'm going to take my wife and kids next year.

02:15:57.000 I want them just to experience the rut.

02:15:59.000 I want them to come with me.

02:16:00.000 To hear the bulls?

02:16:01.000 Just to hear it, just because it's so good.

02:16:02.000 And just see them.

02:16:03.000 Where?

02:16:06.000 Yeah.

02:16:22.000 Demons!

02:16:24.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:16:24.000 Well, we were saying, imagine being the pioneers, and you got there maybe in fucking June or something like that, and everything's quiet. 0.99

02:16:35.000 Yeah. 0.87

02:16:35.000 And then all of a sudden, a couple months later, you hear... 0.87

02:16:38.000 Yeah, you would know. 0.99

02:16:39.000 You're like, what the fuck is that? 0.99

02:16:41.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:16:41.000 It must have taken a while before they realized it was the elk that were doing that. 0.99

02:16:45.000 It must have.

02:16:46.000 It was, I mean, and it sounded like they were so loud.

02:16:50.000 It sounded like we should have seen them way before we did.

02:16:53.000 Right.

02:16:53.000 Do you remember that?

02:16:54.000 Yeah, they were so far away.

02:16:55.000 I mean, it sounds like they're right.

02:16:56.000 There, but it's just because it's so loud.

02:16:58.000 The echo through the canyons.

02:17:00.000 Oh, God.

02:17:00.000 It was so fun.

02:17:03.000 I would give anything to seeing what it must have been like to have crossed America back in the Lewis and Clark days when it was totally undeveloped.

02:17:13.000 And, you know, you just run into the tribes of Native Americans.

02:17:16.000 I would just love to see what it was actually like when the wildlife was undisturbed.

02:17:22.000 And, you know, you'd have these massive herds of buffalo and deer were everywhere and elk were everywhere.

02:17:28.000 They said when those expeditions came across America, they could hunt anything.

02:17:33.000 Animals everywhere.

02:17:35.000 It was just a plethora.

02:17:37.000 And the market hunting is what killed that.

02:17:39.000 Yeah.

02:17:39.000 Isn't that crazy?

02:17:40.000 Yeah, that's where we've come back from now.

02:17:43.000 As they say, there's more big game animals now than there was a hundred years ago, which would be after that.

02:17:47.000 Yeah.

02:17:48.000 Yeah.

02:17:48.000 It's just, it would have been amazing to see what it looked like though.

02:17:51.000 Yeah.

02:17:52.000 Yeah.

02:17:53.000 I mean, that's kind of what we're, that's why you go over the next ridge.

02:17:56.000 Yeah.

02:17:56.000 Every time.

02:17:57.000 Yeah.

02:17:58.000 Let's, let's keep going.

02:18:00.000 I mean, that morning.

02:18:02.000 Oh no, it's the morning I killed.

02:18:03.000 Yeah.

02:18:04.000 But yeah, it's like over the next ridge.

02:18:06.000 Kept us going, kept us going.

02:18:07.000 It sounded like there's bulls going crazy over the next ridge.

02:18:10.000 Well, that shot that you guys got, too, of that bull coming up to you and screaming up the hill, that big old bull.

02:18:18.000 So beautiful.

02:18:19.000 Man.

02:18:19.000 Yeah, 10 yards.

02:18:21.000 That's so crazy.

02:18:22.000 Stopped him.

02:18:22.000 That close to such an enormous animal, too.

02:18:25.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:18:28.000 Rihanna did a great job filming that.

02:18:30.000 She really did, yeah.

02:18:31.000 She did.

02:18:32.000 And then her video that she showed us of that giant elk that she shot, and that was a public land bull.

02:18:37.000 Yeah.

02:18:37.000 That's a big bull, man.

02:18:39.000 I know.

02:18:39.000 Big old giant thing.

02:18:41.000 And the footage where she's on her knees and this thing is coming by her, it looked like it was 15, 16 yards.

02:18:47.000 It was really close, right?

02:18:49.000 Yeah.

02:18:49.000 And she shot mid-bugle.

02:18:52.000 Whack! 1.00

02:18:52.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:18:53.000 Oh, just so happy for her.

02:18:55.000 Because like I told her, there's not many women I know of that have went on public land and killed bulls like that with a bow. 1.00

02:19:02.000 I mean, that just doesn't happen.

02:19:05.000 Right.

02:19:05.000 I mean, it was an amazing accomplishment.

02:19:08.000 Yeah.

02:19:08.000 Yeah, it's like another degree harder than it is for men because just the physical difficulty, the strength that you have to have to be able to maneuver your way through the woods like that, especially her.

02:19:18.000 With a pack.

02:19:18.000 I mean, she packed it out, too, so she's got 100 pounds on her back.

02:19:21.000 A lot of guys can't do that.

02:19:23.000 Yeah, and then she's worked up to be able to shoot 60 pounds with her bow. 1.00

02:19:27.000 That's very impressive for a girl.

02:19:28.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:19:29.000 She's strong.

02:19:30.000 She works hard.

02:19:31.000 She's got a great attitude, and man, I love seeing her be successful. 0.79

02:19:36.000 Yeah, no, it's cool to see someone who's legitimately dedicated to it.

02:19:41.000 Because, you know, we've talked about this before.

02:19:44.000 There's things that are happening right now where people are getting into certain activities when you're a woman because it gets you a lot of attention. 0.98

02:19:52.000 Because if you're a hot woman and you shoot a gun in a bikini, a lot of people are going to pay attention to you. 1.00

02:19:57.000 If you're a hot woman and you go bow hunting, a lot of people are going to pay attention to you. 1.00

02:20:00.000 Yeah.

02:20:00.000 But it doesn't mean that they're not legit.

02:20:03.000 And in her case, she's 100% legit.

02:20:05.000 It's cool to see.

02:20:06.000 I know.

02:20:07.000 It's nice to see it be all real.

02:20:09.000 No, I know.

02:20:10.000 I told her.

02:20:11.000 She makes these cooking videos.

02:20:12.000 I'm like, God, if you want some views, just do that in a bikini.

02:20:15.000 Do the same thing.

02:20:17.000 It's like, what are you trying to do here?

02:20:18.000 She's like, no, I'm going to do it the right way.

02:20:22.000 I give her a bad time, but I totally respect her.

02:20:26.000 I do too. 1.00

02:20:26.000 Because if I was a girl, I'd be a whore. 1.00

02:20:29.000 I would have a fucking glittery bikini on everywhere. 1.00

02:20:33.000 You've been walking around camp in your panties. 1.00

02:20:35.000 100%.

02:20:36.000 100%.

02:20:37.000 I'd be doing my toes at the table with everybody.

02:20:40.000 I'd be a hoe. 1.00

02:20:41.000 If I was a girl, camp full of 100 dudes, I'd be like, yeah, what's up, boys?

02:20:47.000 Time to get some attention.

02:20:51.000 Yeah.

02:20:52.000 It's hard for women because they want a certain amount of attention, but you've got to be careful in how you get it because then people don't respect you. 1.00

02:21:00.000 I know.

02:21:01.000 It's a different game.

02:21:03.000 She's done a great job of balancing that.

02:21:04.000 It's a different game, though, than with men.

02:21:06.000 I know.

02:21:07.000 Men don't have that struggle, the balanced struggle of people respecting you but also being attracted to you.

02:21:13.000 For girls, they even have to be careful with how they dress. 1.00

02:21:17.000 You know, you dress a certain way, you look great, a certain way you look hot, a little more over the edge, now you're a whore. 1.00

02:21:23.000 I know. 0.99

02:21:23.000 You know, it's like, you got, there's like a cutoff where... 0.99

02:21:26.000 Yeah, it's a sweet spot.

02:21:28.000 There's a sweet spot with ladies. 1.00

02:21:30.000 It's hard to find that sweet spot, man.

02:21:32.000 Yeah.

02:21:33.000 Tiffany killed a good bull there this year, too. 0.98

02:21:36.000 Yeah, she did.

02:21:37.000 Before we got there.

02:21:37.000 Yeah.

02:21:38.000 Yeah, and a good buck.

02:21:39.000 Yeah, he's another one.

02:21:40.000 Tiffany and Lee, they're great people.

02:21:42.000 It's also cool to have met them.

02:21:44.000 I feel just really fortunate to be able to be friends with all these people that I know are these really world-renowned, experienced hunters.

02:21:53.000 I can learn so much.

02:21:54.000 Like I said, it's like just being friends with you and Dudley has cut down my learning curve by decades.

02:22:03.000 The comparison would be like learning basketball from Michael Jordan or something like that.

02:22:07.000 If you wanted to learn, he's not going to show you how to play basketball.

02:22:11.000 The beautiful thing about hunting is, and one of the coolest things about you guys is everyone's so open about information.

02:22:19.000 It's not thought of as a competition.

02:22:23.000 And hunters are so maligned and sort of like...

02:22:28.000 Misunderstood by society that a lot of people that are hunters are really excited for any new person to get into it.

02:22:35.000 Yeah.

02:22:35.000 And look at it correctly.

02:22:37.000 No, it's huge.

02:22:37.000 It's big.

02:22:38.000 I mean, I used to not tell anybody anything.

02:22:41.000 Even my buddy used to say he'd give me a bad time because I wouldn't tell anybody where I hunted.

02:22:46.000 I wouldn't...

02:22:47.000 I was like so protective.

02:22:49.000 He'd be like, he called me Mac because he's like, you don't even want to go by your real name.

02:22:53.000 It's your name backwards as your code name.

02:22:55.000 And so he'd call me Mac because I was so secretive on everything.

02:23:00.000 So I've been where I'm not helping.

02:23:02.000 Nobody helped me.

02:23:03.000 I'm not helping anyone.

02:23:04.000 I've been there.

02:23:05.000 So it's like, but it feels good to, like I said, when seeing you successful is everything.

02:23:12.000 Yeah.

02:23:12.000 That's an interesting thing with a lot of public land hunters, right?

02:23:15.000 They don't want to tell anybody their spots.

02:23:17.000 No.

02:23:17.000 Because you work hard to find those.

02:23:20.000 You work hard to find them, and it's like...

02:23:21.000 It can take years...

02:23:23.000 Especially elk hunting.

02:23:24.000 Yeah.

02:23:26.000 There's not good elk hunting spots everywhere.

02:23:55.000 It can be ruined by two other guys.

02:23:59.000 Yep.

02:23:59.000 They tell two people and so on and so on.

02:24:01.000 So it's like, it's really hard.

02:24:04.000 Public land, you've got to protect it.

02:24:08.000 I love that show, The Western Hunter, with Nate Simmons.

02:24:10.000 Nate, yeah.

02:24:11.000 And that's one of the things that he documents on the show all the time, is the grind of public land hunting.

02:24:17.000 He's always running into guys on horseback that run off the animals.

02:24:22.000 Yeah.

02:24:22.000 And deep, deep, deep into the backcountry, still find guys with a wall tent.

02:24:26.000 Like, fuck. 1.00

02:24:27.000 It's a grind. 1.00

02:24:28.000 He's a great hunter.

02:24:30.000 He's the very first person to film me in the wilderness.

02:24:35.000 Oh, wow.

02:24:36.000 Nate was.

02:24:37.000 It's like, he wanted to hunt the wilderness, had never done it.

02:24:41.000 He knew I had done it.

02:24:42.000 Actually, maybe it was Shea Mann who filmed first, but then, I can't remember, maybe Nate was first.

02:24:47.000 They were both right around 2002. But Nate, I saw him at the bow rack and he's like, man, I've always wanted to hunt the wilderness.

02:24:55.000 And I'm like, well, do you want to film me?

02:24:58.000 Yeah, I'd love to.

02:24:59.000 So he didn't know how to run a camera, but his sister was getting married on a Friday.

02:25:05.000 Opening day was Saturday.

02:25:07.000 I said, if you go to the wedding...

02:25:09.000 You drive to the trailhead after the reception.

02:25:12.000 You get to the trailhead at one in the morning.

02:25:14.000 You walk all night, 12 miles.

02:25:17.000 You can be in there by first light, opening day.

02:25:20.000 And I'll tell you where to go.

02:25:22.000 And it's like on these maps and all this...

02:25:24.000 You know, I thought there's no way this kid's ever going to make it.

02:25:27.000 So this was how many years?

02:25:29.000 17 years ago.

02:25:30.000 He's not old now.

02:25:31.000 So 17 years ago.

02:25:32.000 So he's probably like 20 back then.

02:25:34.000 Early 20s.

02:25:35.000 And I got up opening morning and I went up to the saddle way deep in the wilderness and I'm like looking where I told Nate to come from.

02:25:43.000 First light comes and I look over there and here's this guy walking and it's him.

02:25:48.000 And he made it all the way in there, drove all night, packed in, all in the dark, made it in there, and filmed me.

02:25:55.000 It took day six.

02:25:58.000 Day six, I killed a buck.

02:26:00.000 He filmed, did a great job. 0.95

02:26:02.000 Day seven, I killed a bull.

02:26:03.000 And that was his first ever with a camera.

02:26:07.000 Wow.

02:26:07.000 And now you see what he's doing on Western Hunter.

02:26:09.000 Just amazing work.

02:26:10.000 It's one of the best shows that really depicts hunting.

02:26:14.000 He gets it.

02:26:15.000 Yes.

02:26:15.000 He gets it.

02:26:16.000 And he gets the grind, as you said, and the emotion tied to it.

02:26:21.000 And I think his first bull with a bow is when he was 13. Wow.

02:26:26.000 And all he's ever done is bow hunt.

02:26:27.000 Wow.

02:26:28.000 His whole life.

02:26:29.000 So he's one of the most...

02:26:32.000 I mean, I respect him as much as anybody.

02:26:35.000 I saw 17 years ago, he had it.

02:26:40.000 He had it then, and he wanted to learn, and he wanted to experience it, and then he went from there to making one of the best shows on TV. There's such a great lesson in that, that there's the opportunity.

02:26:50.000 It's not easy.

02:26:51.000 You're going to a wedding.

02:26:52.000 At 1 in the morning, you're going to have to hike in.

02:26:55.000 It's a 12-mile hike.

02:26:56.000 It should take you about five or six hours.

02:27:00.000 But if you want to do it, there it is. 1.00

02:27:02.000 And a lot of people are like, fuck. 1.00

02:27:04.000 No. 1.00

02:27:05.000 All sorts of excuses not to.

02:27:06.000 We'll all come in.

02:27:07.000 I'll be there that night, Saturday night.

02:27:10.000 No.

02:27:11.000 I said, I need you there opening morning.

02:27:14.000 That's a giant part of life, is those opportunities, capitalizing on those opportunities, because a person could easily have blown that off.

02:27:21.000 Maybe another time.

02:27:22.000 Maybe I'll hunt with you next year.

02:27:24.000 Maybe I'll hunt with you, and then nothing ever happens, and then you don't get that momentum.

02:27:28.000 Who knows?

02:27:29.000 And then maybe there's no Western hunter.

02:27:31.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:27:31.000 Who knows?

02:27:32.000 But as a human being, those opportunities, that's how you build.

02:27:37.000 You build on the capitalizing on those opportunities and making it happen, and then you keep going.

02:27:44.000 That's the whole thing.

02:27:45.000 It's like these uncomfortable moments, pushing through them, having discipline and drive.

02:27:50.000 Getting it done when you don't want to.

02:27:51.000 And then you go, oh, I know how to do that.

02:27:53.000 I can do that.

02:27:54.000 I can grind through this.

02:27:55.000 I can get through it.

02:27:56.000 And then that's how you build in life.

02:27:59.000 You just step by step by step.

02:28:01.000 You keep doing it.

02:28:02.000 And when that happens, I mean, it's happened to me in my life where I've decided to do something and it was really difficult.

02:28:09.000 But when I got through it, I go, oh, I can do it.

02:28:11.000 I can push through things.

02:28:12.000 I can make things happen.

02:28:14.000 It's such an important lesson.

02:28:16.000 I mean, it's probably one of the most important lessons.

02:28:19.000 Taking advantage.

02:28:20.000 Did you see the...

02:28:22.000 He did a show on Roy on like a tribute.

02:28:26.000 Did you ever see that?

02:28:26.000 I did not see that.

02:28:27.000 Mate did.

02:28:28.000 Is it on the Western Hunter he did it?

02:28:30.000 It was, yeah.

02:28:30.000 I did not see that.

02:28:31.000 I'll find it.

02:28:32.000 Because he went with Wayne to where Roy used to hunt on Kodiak Island for deer and...

02:28:39.000 But at the beginning of the show, he made...

02:28:42.000 He filmed...

02:28:44.000 One of the coolest things is Roy and I went to the backcountry and hunted brown bear off snow machines.

02:28:50.000 And Roy had a cabin back there.

02:28:52.000 And Nate went back there and filmed it.

02:28:54.000 Oh, you told me that story.

02:28:55.000 It was crazy and doing backcountry fixes on busted snowmobiles.

02:28:59.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:29:00.000 So Nate was there for that whole thing.

02:29:02.000 And he said he's never felt like he was going to die more times than he did.

02:29:07.000 I mean, it was...

02:29:09.000 So much was good, but it's just like a normal backcountry in Alaska.

02:29:13.000 It's like it's different up there than it is here because there's so many you can die so easily.

02:29:20.000 And down here, it's pretty tame, you know, in comparison.

02:29:24.000 But he anyway, he got it on film.

02:29:27.000 So I have that whole film and he took he took clips of that and made a tribute to Roy.

02:29:32.000 And it was pretty special.

02:29:34.000 You should look it up.

02:29:36.000 That's awesome.

02:29:36.000 I will.

02:29:37.000 Cam, let's wrap this up.

02:29:38.000 Yeah.

02:29:39.000 It's great to see you, brother, as always.

02:29:41.000 Oh, thank you so much.

02:29:42.000 And I'm bringing you to the Comedy Store tonight.

02:29:43.000 I can't wait.

02:29:44.000 Bringing you to Comedy Mecca.

02:29:45.000 I can't wait.

02:29:46.000 All right, that's it, everybody.

02:29:47.000 Thank you.

02:29:48.000 Thanks, brother.

02:29:48.000 Bye.

02:29:49.000 Thank you.

The Joe Rogan Experience - October 10, 2019

Joe Rogan Experience #1365 - Cameron Hanes

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