The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1410 - Ash Dykes

00:00:03.000 Do you think a salt lamp's real?

00:00:04.000 Do you think that thing does anything?

00:00:06.000 I don't know how much you'd need, hey?

00:00:08.000 Well, it's got a hat on it, so it's not being taken too seriously.

00:00:13.000 And that's actually a big one.

00:00:14.000 You get a lot smaller than that, don't you?

00:00:15.000 Yeah, I saw that one.

00:00:17.000 That was the biggest one you could find on Amazon, so I got that.

00:00:19.000 Yeah.

00:00:19.000 Because I'm a glutton.

00:00:21.000 I like big things, big salt rocks.

00:00:24.000 Why the hell not?

00:00:25.000 Yeah, why not?

00:00:26.000 I'm like, I want a big one.

00:00:27.000 Do it.

00:00:27.000 It's very flashy.

00:00:30.000 Do you think that does anything, though?

00:00:31.000 I don't know, good question.

00:00:34.000 It just lets the air off you just breathing and the natural salts on you.

00:00:37.000 Helps with the sleep as well.

00:00:38.000 But how is it doing that?

00:00:40.000 It's just by being in the room?

00:00:42.000 Maybe I should have them everywhere.

00:00:44.000 Well isn't it the light underneath as well?

00:00:45.000 So the light, the heat from the light?

00:00:47.000 The heat sets off the air, I believe so. 0.87

00:00:50.000 Sounds like horseshit, right? 0.94

00:00:51.000 Could be. 0.98

00:00:52.000 Could be a little bit.

00:00:53.000 It looks good though, right?

00:00:55.000 So you asked me before if you were the first Welshman?

00:00:59.000 I think you are.

00:00:59.000 Yes.

00:01:01.000 Is that the case, Jamie?

00:01:02.000 Do you know if that's the case?

00:01:04.000 Somebody might have snuck in and didn't tell us.

00:01:06.000 There we go, yeah.

00:01:07.000 What is this thing that you brought?

00:01:09.000 So I thought if I'm the first Welsh person, I've got to bring...

00:01:11.000 Try to keep this like a fifth from your face.

00:01:13.000 There we go.

00:01:13.000 Sure.

00:01:14.000 I've got to bring a Welsh dragon for you.

00:01:15.000 A Welsh dragon?

00:01:16.000 A Welsh dragon.

00:01:17.000 So this is on our flag in Wales.

00:01:19.000 It goes back a long time ago since we were protecting ourselves.

00:01:25.000 Pride.

00:01:25.000 Wow, it's cool.

00:01:26.000 Don't really know the history, but there we go.

00:01:28.000 So this is a classic Welsh dragon?

00:01:30.000 Welsh dragon, yeah.

00:01:31.000 I think it was named like one of the coolest flags in the world.

00:01:33.000 You just got this big, big raging dragon on a flag.

00:01:37.000 That is pretty cool.

00:01:37.000 So I thought if I'm the first Welsh player, I gotta bring you the red dragon.

00:01:42.000 Look at it right there.

00:01:43.000 There's some images of it.

00:01:44.000 There we go.

00:01:45.000 Yeah.

00:01:46.000 Have you been to Wales before?

00:01:47.000 No.

00:01:48.000 No?

00:01:48.000 No.

00:01:49.000 How badass is it?

00:01:51.000 Should I go?

00:01:51.000 Yeah, beautiful.

00:01:52.000 It is a good place.

00:01:53.000 Lots of mountains around the coast there as well, of course.

00:01:57.000 Forests, lakes.

00:01:58.000 Good for training.

00:01:58.000 That's where I do all my training, actually.

00:02:00.000 Yeah?

00:02:00.000 Yeah.

00:02:00.000 Hardcore elements.

00:02:01.000 Speaking of training, Ash, tell everybody what you've done.

00:02:03.000 So I've recently, only five months ago now, five and a half months, came back from achieving my third world first record in walking the entire length of the Yangtze River in China.

00:02:14.000 So it's the third longest river in the world, the longest to run through a single nation.

00:02:19.000 It's 4,000 miles, it took 352 days, and it's from the Tibetan Plateau in the west of China.

00:02:27.000 So you're talking 5,100 meters above sea level, which is equivalent to Everest Base Camp.

00:02:34.000 And yeah, 4,000 miles later, 352 days, you end up near Shanghai, where it pours out into the East China Sea.

00:02:42.000 You know, when I heard that you did this, I thought two things.

00:02:45.000 One, I thought, this guy's insane.

00:02:47.000 What kind of willpower does it take to walk and hike 4,000 plus miles?

00:02:52.000 But the other thing I thought is this kind of validates a lot of the ideas that people have always had about human beings migrating from Africa and through Siberia and through the Bering Strait.

00:03:02.000 If you can do that, what you did, what you did is not dissimilar.

00:03:07.000 You know?

00:03:08.000 That's it.

00:03:08.000 Yeah.

00:03:09.000 You've got trails all over the world.

00:03:10.000 And you're just doing it for a world record.

00:03:13.000 Imagine if you're doing it because you're trying to stay alive.

00:03:15.000 Exactly.

00:03:15.000 You're trying to keep your family alive.

00:03:16.000 Yeah.

00:03:17.000 Yeah.

00:03:17.000 I'll tell you what.

00:03:18.000 Yeah, we would have had...

00:03:19.000 Oh, there's so much, so much history in journeys that mankind kind of taken on since...

00:03:25.000 I'm reading Sapien at the minute.

00:03:25.000 Wow.

00:03:25.000 Yeah.

00:03:28.000 Oh, it's great.

00:03:28.000 I only just started.

00:03:29.000 Yeah.

00:03:29.000 But that's just mind-boggling with the numbers, you know?

00:03:32.000 It takes you right back and it's like, whoa.

00:03:36.000 Yeah, so the source of the Yangtze, it was actually only discovered in 2009, the true and scientific source.

00:03:42.000 Really?

00:03:42.000 Yeah, that gives us, we had to do over two years of planning.

00:03:46.000 So it was a case of working heavily in China.

00:03:49.000 Finding out whether this had ever been done before.

00:03:52.000 We had to get different teams involved globally.

00:03:57.000 I was always preparing to go from the traditional source, which is most famous for the source of the Yangtze River being there, But then we only discovered about a year into the planning that actually there's a true and scientific source found by the same guy who mapped the traditional source,

00:04:14.000 yet he partnered up with NASA, used all the satellite technology, was able to correct his wrong.

00:04:19.000 It's slightly longer than the traditional source, and that was it.

00:04:23.000 We're like, right, it's got to be the true and scientific source.

00:04:25.000 How much longer is it?

00:04:27.000 It's probably only a distance of 20 to 30 miles, which that's only really a day's trek, but it was more close to Tibet.

00:04:35.000 It was more southwest of China, so it was closer to the Tibetan border, which means it's a little bit more sensitive.

00:04:41.000 So it was tougher to go from the true and scientific source for sure, but it's the longer one.

00:04:46.000 If you're going to walk that distance, you've got to do it the proper way.

00:04:49.000 Yeah, I agree with you.

00:04:50.000 I'm glad you think that way.

00:04:51.000 But obviously a person that's willing to walk 4,000 miles would think that way.

00:04:55.000 You wouldn't skip on 20 miles.

00:04:58.000 Can you imagine if you skipped on 20 miles and everybody's like, well, you did a pretty good job, but actually Mike over here just did the whole thing.

00:05:05.000 The actual scientific one.

00:05:06.000 He's the real one.

00:05:07.000 Well, that happened towards the end as well.

00:05:10.000 So coming up near Shanghai, there's an official point of where the Yangtze pulls into the East China Sea.

00:05:16.000 And they're like, you know, you only have to go to this point.

00:05:18.000 I'm like, no, I'm walking to where the land ends.

00:05:21.000 So that took me an extra, only an extra couple of days.

00:05:24.000 But can you imagine finishing?

00:05:25.000 It's like, oh, you didn't quite make it, did you?

00:05:27.000 You were close.

00:05:28.000 We didn't quite make it.

00:05:30.000 What is the feeling like when you know you only have two days left?

00:05:34.000 Well, we were hit by storm Rekima.

00:05:39.000 So it was one of the biggest storms they've had in the past 30 years.

00:05:42.000 And that put me into hiding, you know, to shelter up after everything that I faced over 350 days, you know.

00:05:49.000 And that stopped me only a couple of days before I crossed into the East China Sea before the finish.

00:05:54.000 But at that point...

00:05:56.000 It's almost I visualized the completion over and over again in my head.

00:06:01.000 I played it so many times of what it would be like, what it would feel like, everything to cross the finish line.

00:06:07.000 Almost when that day happened and I did cross the finish line, I almost over visualized.

00:06:13.000 I didn't feel anything. 0.97

00:06:14.000 It's just like, well, it's about damn time. 0.98

00:06:16.000 You know? 0.99

00:06:17.000 Wow.

00:06:17.000 Yeah.

00:06:18.000 And I believe, you know, the law of attraction, visualization, I've always been a big believer in that.

00:06:22.000 And same with Mongolia and Madagascar, which were my previous expeditions.

00:06:27.000 I almost lost my life on both of those trips.

00:06:30.000 At the time that I'm suffering, I'm just constantly visualizing.

00:06:33.000 You know, I was focusing on recovering, getting better, visualizing the finish, keep getting up, keep pushing on.

00:06:38.000 I want to get to that.

00:06:39.000 I want to get to those.

00:06:40.000 But I want to ask you, when you decide to plan this trip, how much had you learned from the first two crazy trips that you had?

00:06:50.000 And how did you calculate how much food you're going to need, where you're going to need pit stops?

00:06:56.000 How did you do it?

00:06:57.000 So with that, we're always looking for communities on a long route.

00:07:01.000 If there's a community, there's food.

00:07:04.000 And actually, that brings me back to the traditional and the true scientific source.

00:07:08.000 If we went from the traditional, we'd go maybe one week or one and a half weeks without coming across any locals.

00:07:14.000 So we'd have to carry a week and a half worth of ration packs in our backpack.

00:07:18.000 But the true and scientific source sent us back.

00:07:21.000 I think it was two or three weeks we couldn't find any community along the way via satellite and via the people that we were, my logistics managers.

00:07:32.000 That is the craziest way to try to visit people.

00:07:36.000 Yeah.

00:07:36.000 Find them through satellite as you're trekking through a forest.

00:07:40.000 Yeah.

00:07:40.000 And then try to get food.

00:07:42.000 That's it.

00:07:42.000 And we're always maximizing it as well.

00:07:44.000 So we're saying, okay, that's three weeks.

00:07:45.000 So let's carry food for three and a half or four weeks.

00:07:49.000 Because if that community is now empty or abandoned, Then we're out of food.

00:07:54.000 What are you carrying for food?

00:07:55.000 I would carry ration packs.

00:07:58.000 And the ration packs were pretty good.

00:08:00.000 We had like chicken tikka masala, spaghetti bolognese, carbonara, and each ration pack was around 800 kilocalories.

00:08:08.000 And are you using, are these dehydrated?

00:08:12.000 Yeah, that's it.

00:08:13.000 So you just boil the water.

00:08:14.000 And you pour it in there?

00:08:15.000 You wait about 15 minutes.

00:08:16.000 It's like a mountain house, like that kind of a deal?

00:08:18.000 Yeah, yeah, similar.

00:08:19.000 That's it.

00:08:20.000 Wow, you must be so looking forward to regular food by the time that's over.

00:08:25.000 Big time, yeah.

00:08:25.000 What's the first thing you ate?

00:08:27.000 You know, the one that I was craving was just protein.

00:08:31.000 So I was thinking of peanut butter, thinking of cheese on toast.

00:08:34.000 Because you had just mostly carbohydrates?

00:08:36.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:08:37.000 So I was like chicken as well was a big thing.

00:08:38.000 I was just craving all of this big time.

00:08:40.000 But I don't know what the first thing I ate was.

00:08:42.000 It's funny how your body knows what you need.

00:08:45.000 Exactly.

00:08:45.000 Yeah, you've got to listen to your body, haven't you?

00:08:47.000 You've got to listen.

00:08:47.000 It's hard to listen.

00:08:48.000 I mean, it's hard to know.

00:08:49.000 I don't...

00:08:50.000 I'm not really sure what I hear.

00:08:51.000 You know, you had an odd craving.

00:08:54.000 Sometimes I'm craving ice cream.

00:08:55.000 Is that what I'm supposed to listen?

00:08:56.000 Just have ice cream?

00:08:58.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:08:59.000 It seems weird.

00:09:00.000 It seems weird just listening to your cravings. 0.99

00:09:02.000 That seems ridiculous. 0.92

00:09:03.000 Yeah, and I think you've got to be stripped of all of the protein and whatnot running for your body currently, haven't you? 0.97

00:09:13.000 I think if you're full, You're craving ice cream.

00:09:16.000 You know, if you feel you want a dessert, but I think if you're now at the point of not starvation, but if you're really hungry and you know what's good, what's not good, I think your body gives a good tail sign of what you can.

00:09:27.000 At the last month of Mission Yangtze, I was really bad.

00:09:30.000 I was coming across cities every day because you can imagine like towards Shanghai.

00:09:35.000 You're coming across cities, you're coming across towns, communities.

00:09:38.000 And so I was just craving protein.

00:09:40.000 I was craving fats.

00:09:41.000 And a lot of the time, for that last month, I was just eating really unhealthily.

00:09:45.000 Just getting in stodgy foods, stodgy fats, protein.

00:09:48.000 You know, there was fast food chains along the way, KFC, you know, that sort of month of it.

00:09:53.000 Yes, I was out of the wild.

00:09:54.000 The wilderness was like six months worth.

00:09:56.000 Once I'd finished the first half, it was gradual for then another two or three months.

00:10:00.000 But the last three months, you're going through city after city, all really built up, high population there.

00:10:06.000 And I found that my body was...

00:10:07.000 So I was listening to my body, craving fats, craving protein.

00:10:10.000 And yeah, you're right, it did get ridiculous.

00:10:11.000 I was going to these, you know, fast food...

00:10:15.000 The translation.

00:10:16.000 I could speak Chinese a little bit.

00:10:17.000 I was just going to ask you that.

00:10:18.000 I could get by.

00:10:19.000 When you say Chinese, like which dialect?

00:10:21.000 Oh, there's over a hundred dialects, yeah.

00:10:24.000 So that's where it got difficult.

00:10:25.000 Oh, no.

00:10:26.000 Yeah, it was nails.

00:10:28.000 It was nails.

00:10:29.000 Really difficult.

00:10:30.000 Do you speak Mandarin?

00:10:31.000 What do you speak?

00:10:32.000 Basic Mandarin.

00:10:33.000 Basic Mandarin.

00:10:34.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:10:35.000 Enough to just about get by.

00:10:37.000 But I skipped all of the basics and went straight into the sentences.

00:10:41.000 Where are there bears here?

00:10:44.000 Are there bears here?

00:10:45.000 Where are the wolves?

00:10:46.000 Where are the wolves?

00:10:47.000 Water, food, and shelter.

00:10:48.000 Oh my god.

00:10:49.000 So yeah, skipped a lot of the basics, went straight into the...

00:10:51.000 Dude, those are two questions I don't ever want to hear.

00:10:54.000 Are there bears here?

00:10:55.000 And where are the wolves?

00:10:57.000 Not, are there wolves here?

00:10:58.000 Where are they?

00:10:59.000 Where are they? 1.00

00:11:00.000 Fuck, man. 1.00

00:11:01.000 And you're out there walking. 1.00

00:11:02.000 Yeah.

00:11:03.000 For a year.

00:11:04.000 Yeah, that's it.

00:11:06.000 And for the first six months especially.

00:11:08.000 So the first six months is mostly hiking in the woods?

00:11:11.000 It's hiking in the wilderness on the Tibetan plateau.

00:11:15.000 Are you carrying your camp on your back?

00:11:17.000 Yeah.

00:11:18.000 So you have a bivy sack? 0.99

00:11:19.000 Like what are you sleeping in?

00:11:20.000 So we have this really lightweight sort of kailash tent to get it up storm proof.

00:11:20.000 That's a tent.

00:11:25.000 It's amazing how light they can get those damn things to now. 0.99

00:11:28.000 We needed it. 0.99

00:11:28.000 Oh, it was great. 0.99

00:11:29.000 Because I had to carry all of the...

00:11:31.000 We were filming for a documentary, so I had to carry electronics and it got too heavy.

00:11:35.000 Now, when you're in this tent, do you go with a double-layer tent so it provides more insulation and it's a little heavier?

00:11:43.000 Or do you have a really lightweight tent and just try to tough it out in the cold?

00:11:48.000 I had a double-layer tent.

00:11:50.000 But that's because the double layer was just so small and so light.

00:11:55.000 Yeah.

00:11:56.000 And it was a case of, yeah, you know, that's your comfort, that's your shelter.

00:11:59.000 Right, right, right.

00:12:00.000 And I'm gonna be facing some big storms.

00:12:01.000 Yeah, that's what I was thinking.

00:12:02.000 I was like, you'd sacrifice probably the weight For just something that's going to keep you insulated in there.

00:12:08.000 That's it.

00:12:09.000 Do you have a pad that protects you from the ground?

00:12:12.000 Yeah.

00:12:13.000 And then a mattress pad on top of that?

00:12:15.000 Yeah, we've got the pad, like the waterproof pad, on the ground from the tent.

00:12:18.000 And then we've got a sleeping mat, maybe about this thick, about a half an inch to an inch thickness.

00:12:25.000 And then I had a minus 25 or minus 30 degree mat.

00:12:33.000 What is the issue with the ground though?

00:12:40.000 Do you have to have an insulated pad to make sure that the ground cold doesn't get to you?

00:12:45.000 Yeah, for sure.

00:12:45.000 That's what the sleeping mud is.

00:12:47.000 So it's sort of, you can roll it down.

00:12:49.000 It's really small, really tight, really lightweight as well.

00:12:51.000 But once you roll it out, it's got like memory foam almost inside, something similar.

00:12:56.000 And you have to blow in it, pump it up a little bit more.

00:12:59.000 Oh, I see.

00:12:59.000 Only takes 10, 20 breaths.

00:13:02.000 Easy to pack away as well.

00:13:04.000 It protects you from the core of the ground.

00:13:05.000 And it protects from there, because that's what you need, you know.

00:13:08.000 The ground just...

00:13:09.000 Dude, I've never been comfortable camping.

00:13:12.000 It's always just like...

00:13:13.000 It's always like you wake up like popping. 1.00

00:13:16.000 Fuck. 1.00

00:13:17.000 You're awake. 1.00

00:13:18.000 You made it.

00:13:19.000 But still, you feel weird.

00:13:20.000 Yeah, you can do.

00:13:21.000 You do get used to it.

00:13:22.000 Yeah.

00:13:23.000 But especially after the trekking, we were covering 50 kilometers some days.

00:13:29.000 We were covering about 20, 25 miles, especially in the Tibetan Plateau.

00:13:33.000 So after that day's trek, only two ration packs per day.

00:13:36.000 So you're taking 1,600 calories.

00:13:39.000 That's not a lot.

00:13:40.000 It's not a lot.

00:13:41.000 And we were carrying 30. How much weight did you lose?

00:13:43.000 I probably, and I've still lost weight now at about 13, 12 to 13 kilograms, I would say, in weight, which over the year was, I lost the same amount in Mongolia.

00:13:54.000 Is that like 32 pounds or something like that?

00:13:55.000 It's about 32, is it?

00:13:56.000 32 pounds.

00:13:57.000 Yeah.

00:13:59.000 Wow, that's a lot of weight to lose.

00:14:01.000 You're not a big guy.

00:14:02.000 Yeah, that's it.

00:14:03.000 You must have been really drawn out at the end. 1.00

00:14:03.000 Fuck, man. 1.00

00:14:06.000 Big time. 1.00

00:14:07.000 Although it kind of worked itself out because towards the end I was coming across more food.

00:14:11.000 Didn't need my ration packs, of course.

00:14:13.000 So I was coming across more...

00:14:15.000 Restaurants, I can collect food as I go.

00:14:18.000 It's not a solo and unsupported journey.

00:14:20.000 So I was just utilising that.

00:14:22.000 I was eating with the locals and I was taking as much calories down as I possibly could whilst I was trekking.

00:14:27.000 Did you pick like the type of meals based on calories?

00:14:30.000 Did you like when I'm talking about like the mountain house type deals or I don't know what company you used?

00:14:35.000 Yeah, Expedition Foods I think it was that I used.

00:14:35.000 What kind of?

00:14:38.000 So they have different ones that are more nutrient rich and more calorie rich?

00:14:42.000 Yeah, they have the smaller light ones as well which you get about 600 calories.

00:14:47.000 They are smaller, they are lighter, easier to pack, but I need it as much as I could possibly get.

00:14:53.000 Yeah, they have a bunch of healthy options now, because a lot of CrossFitters are out there camping these days.

00:14:57.000 Yeah, yeah, that's it.

00:14:59.000 They want to get that healthy paleo food while they're out there in the mountain.

00:15:03.000 But what's undeniable has got to be, for you, is that once you've made those steps, the first steps for the first day, you have this monumental thing in front of you.

00:15:14.000 Yeah.

00:15:14.000 What was that like knowing when you started?

00:15:18.000 Like, here, ready?

00:15:19.000 Alright, bye Ash!

00:15:20.000 See you in the air!

00:15:20.000 Bye!

00:15:22.000 Oh man!

00:15:23.000 Yeah, it was exactly that.

00:15:24.000 It was exactly that.

00:15:25.000 It was daunting.

00:15:27.000 So before we got to the source of the Yangtze River, we lost, I think, four members.

00:15:34.000 When I say lost, they survived, but they got altitude sickness.

00:15:38.000 They were fearing for their lives because of the bears, because of the wolves.

00:15:41.000 So before we reached day number one, before we reached the start line, we've already got four members of the film crew, of guides, evacuated, taken off the mountains, which brought me off the mountains as well because I needed to regroup with a different team.

00:15:54.000 So everyone was scared and people also got altitude sickness.

00:15:58.000 That's it.

00:15:59.000 How high are you up there?

00:16:00.000 We are just over 5,000 meters.

00:16:03.000 Oh my god.

00:16:04.000 Yeah, so it's equivalent to Everest Base Camp, I'd say.

00:16:06.000 Oh my god.

00:16:07.000 Which you can get altitude sickness from. 0.98

00:16:09.000 That's really fucking high. 0.98

00:16:10.000 That's 15,000 feet, right? 0.99

00:16:12.000 It's about that, yeah.

00:16:13.000 Yeah.

00:16:15.000 And there's wolves up there?

00:16:16.000 There's wolves.

00:16:18.000 There's bears.

00:16:19.000 You can't even run.

00:16:20.000 You got no air.

00:16:22.000 How helpless would you feel at 15,000 feet when you see a pack of wolves?

00:16:22.000 Yeah.

00:16:26.000 Oh, man.

00:16:28.000 Yeah.

00:16:29.000 And they're looking at you like, hey, you don't look too good, buddy.

00:16:31.000 It's the bears that scared me the most.

00:16:33.000 Oh, they should scare you the most.

00:16:34.000 You can't do anything against a bear, can you?

00:16:35.000 You can't do anything against a wolf.

00:16:37.000 Yeah, you can't do anything against a wall.

00:16:38.000 Especially at 15,000 feet, we can barely tie your shoes.

00:16:41.000 And a pack of them as well.

00:16:42.000 Oh my god.

00:16:43.000 Yeah.

00:16:44.000 And we can't carry any weaponry, so leave it there.

00:16:46.000 Oh, great.

00:16:48.000 Oh, sitting duck.

00:16:49.000 Really?

00:16:50.000 You can't carry any weaponry?

00:16:51.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:16:52.000 You can't even have a knife?

00:16:54.000 I tried.

00:16:55.000 I took a knife out.

00:16:57.000 Did I say?

00:16:58.000 Yeah, I took a knife out, but it was taken from me in security, flying out to the west.

00:17:04.000 So I bought another one in Yushu.

00:17:05.000 Yeah, I did have a knife for the first month or two.

00:17:07.000 Yeah.

00:17:08.000 But again, a pack of wolves. 1.00

00:17:10.000 Yeah, you ain't gonna do shit with a little baby-ass knife. 1.00

00:17:13.000 They're gonna rip your ankles apart. 1.00

00:17:15.000 That's it, that's it. 0.95

00:17:16.000 They tear your legs apart.

00:17:17.000 Yeah. 0.69

00:17:18.000 Wolves are the nastiest hunters.

00:17:20.000 Big time.

00:17:22.000 And we had a close encounter as well with a pack.

00:17:25.000 Really?

00:17:25.000 Yeah, there was a Tibetan.

00:17:27.000 He was trying to warn us.

00:17:28.000 He was trying to say...

00:17:29.000 Well, this is my angle.

00:17:31.000 We were just talking to him.

00:17:32.000 He looked a little bit worried.

00:17:33.000 He looked a little bit stressed.

00:17:34.000 We're high on the mountains.

00:17:35.000 He keeps pointing down at a valley, talking to us in Tibetan.

00:17:38.000 We just sort of waved.

00:17:38.000 We didn't understand.

00:17:39.000 Oh, thank you.

00:17:40.000 Bye.

00:17:40.000 Big smile.

00:17:41.000 Off we go.

00:17:42.000 I say it was me and my friend, also videographer Kyle.

00:17:46.000 We cracked on but Kyle filmed all of that conversation and four months later we found out from a girl from my editor team in Beijing who could speak Tibetan that he was saying right ahead, right down that valley is a pack of wolves and only yesterday they had killed a local lady.

00:18:03.000 They were trying to get us not to go down there, saying don't go.

00:18:06.000 But we didn't know, so we were like, oh yeah, all the best, thanks, see ya.

00:18:10.000 And we cracked on, and for the next two days, we were followed.

00:18:13.000 We believe we were stalked by a pack of wolves.

00:18:16.000 We could hear howling.

00:18:17.000 And they cover bigger distance than humans cover.

00:18:21.000 For two days, they were just howling in the same proximity, same distance away. 1.00

00:18:25.000 Fuckity fuck fuck fuck. 1.00

00:18:27.000 How do you go to sleep at night? 1.00

00:18:28.000 What's that like?

00:18:29.000 Yeah, luckily it was windy.

00:18:30.000 The wind would pick up at night time, so it would rattle your tent so you couldn't hear the howling.

00:18:34.000 You could only hear it during the day.

00:18:35.000 But yeah, you still stood there, your knives there, your torches there, you're constantly shouting over to your buddy.

00:18:40.000 Aren't you worried that you're just going to become a burrito in the middle of the night?

00:18:42.000 A tent burrito?

00:18:44.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:18:44.000 It was scary.

00:18:45.000 I felt vulnerable.

00:18:47.000 Really vulnerable up there. 1.00

00:18:48.000 Fuck, bro. 1.00

00:18:49.000 How many days were you doing this with the wolves? 1.00

00:18:52.000 So it was two days that they were following us, but we were in sort of Wolf County, if you like, for the best part of two or three months, I would say.

00:19:00.000 With the bears as well.

00:19:01.000 And the bears became an issue because I sort of went out there with a healthy mindset.

00:19:05.000 As long as I leave the bears alone, the bears are going to leave me alone, right?

00:19:09.000 But the locals were telling me otherwise.

00:19:11.000 And they would start showing me photos, start showing me videos.

00:19:15.000 And sending me clips saying this happened only one or two kilometers away from where you are now.

00:19:19.000 People were killed by bears.

00:19:20.000 People were killed, just running into huts, killing families.

00:19:24.000 And they were trying to say that they're coming off the mountains because it's too cold.

00:19:27.000 They're looking for calories before they go into hibernation.

00:19:30.000 So we were there in the wrong season.

00:19:32.000 And it's that terrified us the most.

00:19:36.000 It was the stories of the locals.

00:19:37.000 If the locals panic, then you should definitely be panicking.

00:19:40.000 There's a lot of parts of the world where you have to be really worried about wild animals all the time.

00:19:46.000 We here in America, for whatever reason, we've forgotten that.

00:19:50.000 I think everybody that lives in a big city has basically kind of forgotten that.

00:19:55.000 But when you make that trek, you realize, oh, there's no rules out here.

00:19:59.000 They'll eat you. 0.60

00:20:00.000 That's it.

00:20:01.000 They'll eat a caribou, they'll eat a moose.

00:20:01.000 They'll eat everything.

00:20:03.000 Why wouldn't they eat you?

00:20:04.000 What, do they think you're special? 1.00

00:20:05.000 They don't even know what the fuck you are. 1.00

00:20:07.000 That's it. 1.00

00:20:08.000 It's probably the only thing that keeps you alive, is they haven't eaten a person lately.

00:20:11.000 Yeah.

00:20:12.000 And they take, like you said, caribou.

00:20:13.000 They can take the bears big enough to just, and caribou, like moose.

00:20:17.000 Yeah.

00:20:17.000 Moose are huge as well.

00:20:19.000 My friend watched a moose kill, or excuse me, watched a bear kill a moose On a spotting scope.

00:20:26.000 He was looking through a spotting scope and he saw a bear swat down the back of a moose and just break its back.

00:20:33.000 He said the grizzly hit the moose so hard it snapped its back.

00:20:38.000 Jeez.

00:20:39.000 I'm like, what?

00:20:40.000 The power, the sheer strength in a bear.

00:20:42.000 And they are big on the moose.

00:20:44.000 Moose are huge!

00:20:46.000 Yeah.

00:20:46.000 This bear swatted that thing and broke its back.

00:20:48.000 And he watched it go down.

00:20:50.000 He watched this chase.

00:20:51.000 There's like this altercation between this bear and the moose.

00:20:54.000 And he stayed on it. 0.98

00:20:55.000 And the bear gets a hold of the moose and just fucking swats it. 0.99

00:20:58.000 The moose is like, I gotta get the fuck out of here. 1.00

00:21:00.000 And the bear's like, bitch, you're going nowhere. 1.00

00:21:01.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:21:02.000 Yeah.

00:21:03.000 Yeah, those animals are up there in China, too.

00:21:05.000 They're a very similar type of bear, right?

00:21:08.000 It's a type of brown bear, isn't it?

00:21:09.000 That's a type of brown bear, yeah.

00:21:10.000 You've got the big ones here, haven't you?

00:21:12.000 They're probably grizzlies in Alaska.

00:21:13.000 They're the biggest, aren't they?

00:21:14.000 They killed them all in California.

00:21:16.000 Everything that they had that was here in California, it's on our flag.

00:21:19.000 It's our state flag.

00:21:21.000 If you look at the California state flag, there's a giant grizzly bear in the middle of the California state flag.

00:21:25.000 No way.

00:21:26.000 Yeah, because it used to be an issue here.

00:21:27.000 They killed so many people that we just killed all the bears.

00:21:30.000 Not we, I wasn't here.

00:21:31.000 Oh yeah, yeah.

00:21:33.000 Wow.

00:21:33.000 I didn't know that.

00:21:34.000 So they're further north now, are they?

00:21:36.000 That's it right there.

00:21:38.000 They're nowhere near here.

00:21:40.000 You've got to go up into Vancouver.

00:21:43.000 British Columbia has a lot of bears.

00:21:43.000 British Columbia has them.

00:21:46.000 Montana has them.

00:21:48.000 Montana has grizzlies.

00:21:49.000 Wyoming has grizzlies.

00:21:50.000 Colorado may or may not.

00:21:51.000 My friend Adam saw them there.

00:21:52.000 But they're not in California anymore.

00:21:54.000 It's just because they killed them.

00:21:56.000 There's actually a town named after the last guy who died.

00:21:59.000 Levesque, California.

00:22:01.000 The last guy who got killed by a grizzly bear.

00:22:03.000 Just out hunting, was it?

00:22:04.000 Just probably being a dude that was alive back then.

00:22:07.000 Yeah, man.

00:22:09.000 Terrifying.

00:22:09.000 So you experienced this in China.

00:22:11.000 What are your precautions?

00:22:13.000 Are you allowed to bring bear spray?

00:22:15.000 So we had an air horn.

00:22:17.000 We had a whistle.

00:22:18.000 Oh, Jesus.

00:22:19.000 A whistle?

00:22:20.000 A whistle, yeah.

00:22:21.000 So they say that the biggest attacks happen from where Tibetans are out farming, doing their business in the mountains.

00:22:27.000 They...

00:22:28.000 They're in the forest and they're surprised.

00:22:30.000 They come up the top of the hill, there's a bear there, and obviously the bear's shocked, it's scared, and it just attacks.

00:22:35.000 Yeah, that does happen with bears in America as well.

00:22:38.000 So they were saying pretty much, take a whistle, take an hour horn, make yourself aware, well, make the bear aware that you're present, you're approaching.

00:22:38.000 That's it, yeah.

00:22:46.000 And normally they would scare off, they'd run away.

00:22:49.000 But there was a local that told me that, so they have these big Tibetan mastiffs. 0.98

00:22:52.000 Have you seen the Tibetan mastiffs?

00:22:54.000 Yes.

00:22:54.000 The dogs that guard the two hives.

00:22:56.000 200 plus pounds are huge.

00:22:57.000 Terrifying.

00:22:58.000 More of a problem than the wolves they were for me.

00:23:02.000 Because they can scare away the wolves, they scare away snow leopards, the bears.

00:23:06.000 But this one local was telling me that he wasn't living in this gyr, which is like a white felt tent, like a yurt.

00:23:11.000 He was living in a concrete hut.

00:23:14.000 And he had a courtyard with a fence.

00:23:15.000 The fence was open, but just outside the fence is a Tibetan mastiff chained up.

00:23:19.000 And he said that this bear wasn't phased about the Tibetan mastiff.

00:23:23.000 It walked straight past it into the courtyard.

00:23:25.000 And was scratching at a steel door whilst he was hiding in one of his empty cupboards.

00:23:29.000 And it lasted about 30-40 minutes when he was telling me this story.

00:23:32.000 And I'm like, I'm in a tent.

00:23:34.000 I'm scratching against a steel door while I'm just in a tent in the wilderness. 1.00

00:23:39.000 Fuck, man. 1.00

00:23:39.000 They're monsters. 1.00

00:23:40.000 If they weren't a real thing...

00:23:42.000 If grizzly bears or brown bears weren't real, and then they were in a movie, you'd be like, what?

00:23:47.000 Imagine that poor guy!

00:23:49.000 And imagine someone would ask someone like you, like, why in the world, if you know they're there, would you want to walk for that long in bear country?

00:24:00.000 Yeah, well, that's it.

00:24:02.000 How many people were with you?

00:24:04.000 Towards the start, so it was myself, it was two guides that I had, Tibetan guides, so we couldn't even communicate. 0.99

00:24:11.000 But it was safety in numbers.

00:24:13.000 And we took a horse for the film crew, but the film crew got altitude sickness and left us with the horse, which I named Kasta Choy.

00:24:20.000 Have you ever seen the movie Face Off?

00:24:22.000 The badass Caster Choy. 1.00

00:24:22.000 Yes. 1.00

00:24:24.000 Oh, that's hilarious.

00:24:26.000 I've got this thing where I name like my bicycles or like carried a chicken.

00:24:29.000 We'll get to that.

00:24:30.000 I carried a chicken in Madagascar. 0.99

00:24:31.000 I've been giving them old, crazy, ridiculous granny names. 1.00

00:24:34.000 And I was like, this horse is the last one standing whilst my crew, my guides are suffering with altitude sickness and being taken off the mountains. 0.98

00:24:42.000 You've got this horse still suffering with altitude sickness.

00:24:45.000 Never knew that, but apparently animals can suffer with altitude sickness.

00:24:48.000 But he's there like a badass still going.

00:24:50.000 So it's just me and him.

00:24:51.000 And I'm like, I can't give you a granny's name like Elder or Dot or Gertrude. 0.85

00:24:55.000 I'm giving you Caster Troy.

00:24:58.000 From Face Off.

00:24:59.000 That's hilarious.

00:25:00.000 From Face Off, yeah.

00:25:01.000 We've made fun of that movie multiple times.

00:25:03.000 Like the preposterous nature of switching faces.

00:25:06.000 You look exactly like Nicolas Cage now.

00:25:11.000 So the people come with you in the beginning, and then do they stay with you the entire trip?

00:25:16.000 Yeah, we hoped so.

00:25:18.000 No, sorry.

00:25:20.000 So the first two guides that I had got altitude sickness as well as the film crew.

00:25:24.000 I came off the mountains.

00:25:26.000 I found two new guides who were willing to join me.

00:25:29.000 About 50% now of the UK team and the China team were saying, you know, abandon the expedition, start again next year.

00:25:35.000 Start again?

00:25:36.000 Yeah, try again next year because it was getting too close to winter season.

00:25:40.000 How many days had you already walked?

00:25:42.000 We hadn't reached the start point yet.

00:25:44.000 I think it was four days it took for us to get to the start point.

00:25:49.000 But just before we reached the start point, that's when the film crew got altitude sickness.

00:25:53.000 We sent them home.

00:25:54.000 And the next day, my guide, he was vomiting.

00:25:56.000 He had nosebleed.

00:25:57.000 We had to get him off the mountains too.

00:25:59.000 So we left the horse with some local nomads, got him off the mountains, regrouped with a different team, and tried again.

00:26:05.000 So our first attempt towards the source was a fail.

00:26:10.000 We regrouped, it was myself, it was two guides, it was the horse, and we eventually, finally made it to the source.

00:26:16.000 It was on that gap in a nearby city of regrouping with a new team, with new guides that my team in the UK and China were saying, I think it's best if you hold back and we try again next year, because you'll be in the Tibetan Plateau during the depths of winter,

00:26:35.000 which drops to about minus 30, minus 40 degrees Celsius.

00:26:38.000 Which was a worry.

00:26:40.000 But I believed that we could get off the mountains.

00:26:42.000 It was the altitude that was the problem.

00:26:44.000 Down into lower altitude before the depths of winter.

00:26:48.000 And for people who don't know the conversion, I think that's where it meets in the middle.

00:26:51.000 Negative 40 is where Celsius and Fahrenheit is the same.

00:26:55.000 Right.

00:26:55.000 Okay.

00:26:56.000 So people in this country use Fahrenheit.

00:26:58.000 A lot of us, you say Celsius.

00:26:59.000 Yeah, minus 40 degrees Celsius.

00:27:01.000 I think minus 40 and minus 40 Fahrenheit are the same.

00:27:04.000 Oh, yeah, really?

00:27:05.000 I think that's where it hits the button.

00:27:07.000 Got you.

00:27:07.000 What does it say there, Jamie?

00:27:10.000 Minus Celsius is minus 22 Fahrenheit?

00:27:12.000 You're right.

00:27:12.000 Go to minus 40. I think minus 40 is right where it is.

00:27:16.000 No, no, minus 40. Yeah, see?

00:27:20.000 That's where it's exactly the same in Celsius and Fahrenheit.

00:27:23.000 There we are.

00:27:24.000 It's a weird thing, right? 0.97

00:27:25.000 It's like, how the fuck does that happen? 0.81

00:27:26.000 How is it the same thing?

00:27:28.000 Like, you're never the same thing.

00:27:29.000 Like, how do you become the same thing?

00:27:29.000 Yeah.

00:27:30.000 Like, who's got the wonky system?

00:27:32.000 If that minus 40, it becomes the same.

00:27:36.000 Very weird.

00:27:36.000 There we go.

00:27:37.000 Minus 40 Fahrenheit.

00:27:39.000 Right, because it showed, like, 40 Celsius.

00:27:39.000 Yeah.

00:27:42.000 It's very hot, right?

00:27:44.000 It's like 100 plus degrees.

00:27:46.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:27:47.000 40 plus 45, you're melting, that's a struggle.

00:27:50.000 But minus 40 is the same. 0.99

00:27:52.000 What the fuck is going on here? 0.99

00:27:54.000 Who's got the wacky... 1.00

00:27:55.000 What's 40 degrees Celsius in Fahrenheit, then?

00:27:58.000 Um, 40 degrees Celsius is probably 100. Because we will come to that.

00:28:02.000 104. What is it, 104?

00:28:03.000 104. 104. Oh, yeah, 104 Fahrenheit.

00:28:06.000 Yeah, it's hot!

00:28:08.000 Yeah.

00:28:08.000 Weird.

00:28:09.000 Melting.

00:28:10.000 Now, what kind of gear are you guys taking with you?

00:28:14.000 In terms of like, are you taking a jet boil?

00:28:17.000 Are you taking just matches?

00:28:19.000 Are you hoping to find wood?

00:28:20.000 Are you trying to stay light?

00:28:22.000 Do you have a lightweight stove?

00:28:24.000 So we took a lightweight stove along with us.

00:28:27.000 We took flint with us as well.

00:28:29.000 Matches and a lighter.

00:28:32.000 No jet boil or anything like that, because you wouldn't be able to refill them probably.

00:28:35.000 Yeah, what we had actually, we had a bottle that connects to the stove, and with that bottle you can either fill it up with gasoline, but you can also use vodka, whiskey, and you can run off the vapors.

00:28:47.000 You get pumping up, pump the bottle, the vapors leak out, sparks a flame, and you're good to go.

00:28:52.000 Really?

00:28:53.000 Yeah, so that's what I talk, especially in Mongolia.

00:28:55.000 Oh, because you just get hammered everywhere.

00:28:57.000 The nomads get Russian vodka.

00:28:59.000 Oh, that's wild.

00:29:00.000 So you're drinking vodka just to, like, people think you're a drunk.

00:29:04.000 You're really just trying to stay alive out there in the wilderness.

00:29:05.000 Yeah, you're not drinking it.

00:29:06.000 You're using it to fuel.

00:29:07.000 How much does it, like, is it efficient?

00:29:10.000 Like, the use of vodka?

00:29:12.000 Like, how much vodka does it take to cook your meal?

00:29:14.000 Luckily, I didn't need to try it.

00:29:17.000 That was just a precaution that we took.

00:29:18.000 I always carried enough gasoline with me.

00:29:20.000 Because by using the vodka or the whiskey, it does ruin the stove.

00:29:27.000 Oh, I see, I see.

00:29:28.000 It like blocks the small hole that sparks the flame.

00:29:32.000 And you don't want that when you're in the middle of the wilderness.

00:29:35.000 Isn't that funny? 0.98

00:29:35.000 You would think that, like, if anything, gasoline would be more fucked up. 0.98

00:29:39.000 Yeah, you would, yeah. 0.99

00:29:40.000 That's it.

00:29:41.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:29:42.000 Yeah.

00:29:42.000 It's probably because it's not all alcohol, right?

00:29:45.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:29:45.000 There's a bunch of other shit in there. 0.99

00:29:47.000 It's got to be. 0.99

00:29:48.000 But if you had rubbing alcohol, like pure rubbing alcohol, it would probably burn even better, right?

00:29:51.000 Yeah, potentially.

00:29:52.000 Hey, you would have thought so.

00:29:54.000 This whole idea that you had to do this, how much encouragement did you get from people that you told the story to?

00:30:02.000 And how many people were like, you can't do this, you're going to die up there?

00:30:06.000 I'd say a healthy mix.

00:30:08.000 For those who had seen the previous adventures that I had done, they had hope.

00:30:15.000 They had faith in you.

00:30:16.000 Yeah, they had faith.

00:30:17.000 Come on, surely he's got this.

00:30:18.000 They knew you'd already accomplished two amazing things.

00:30:20.000 That's it.

00:30:21.000 And it was never done recklessly.

00:30:22.000 First, it was never really done for the record.

00:30:24.000 There was always environmental angle, sustainability, awareness, etc.

00:30:29.000 But it's also the planning.

00:30:31.000 I used to do really reckless stuff.

00:30:33.000 We'll get to that.

00:30:34.000 But now it's meticulous planning.

00:30:36.000 Looking at what can go wrong.

00:30:36.000 It's the details.

00:30:38.000 But also learning how you can possibly overcome it to make it back home.

00:30:42.000 I love a good cliffhanger.

00:30:43.000 I'm glad we're going to get to that.

00:30:45.000 Let that sit for a second.

00:30:46.000 But when you're walking...

00:30:49.000 What kind of equipment are you using?

00:30:51.000 Are you using a GPS? And if so, do you have solar panels that you're using to gather electricity?

00:30:56.000 Yeah.

00:30:57.000 Is that what you're doing?

00:30:58.000 Yeah, we would take solar panels.

00:30:59.000 So we had solar panels.

00:31:00.000 We had a couple of power banks.

00:31:02.000 So we'd use the solar panel to charge the power bank, and then that will charge the GPS. Can I ask you how you do that?

00:31:10.000 Are you putting it on the back of your backpack as you walk?

00:31:13.000 That's it, yeah.

00:31:14.000 We would strap it to the top of the rucksack.

00:31:18.000 Mongolia, especially, is known as the eternal land of blue sky.

00:31:23.000 Where I was wasn't too far, so we did have a lot of blue sky, decent sun rays.

00:31:28.000 I was able to charge the power bank, and that power bank could last up to about a week and a half of charging, depending on how I use it.

00:31:34.000 So it was really, really useful.

00:31:36.000 That's incredible.

00:31:37.000 So when you're walking, how much does it take?

00:31:40.000 What is the milliamp hour?

00:31:42.000 So what is it?

00:31:44.000 I think I studied it by how many chargers I can get from the iPhone.

00:31:48.000 So I think it was seven or eight chargers from 0% on the iPhone to 100%, seven to eight straight chargers.

00:31:57.000 And that sometimes requires quite a bit.

00:31:59.000 Sometimes I was just charging the GoPro or the little satellite phone.

00:32:03.000 And you're able to get that full charge just from that solar panel in how long?

00:32:06.000 Just from the power bank, yeah.

00:32:08.000 The solar panel would take a good while to charge up the power bank.

00:32:13.000 So what I did is I took...

00:32:15.000 Like a good while?

00:32:15.000 A couple days?

00:32:16.000 I'd say a couple of days to get to 100%.

00:32:18.000 Yeah, for sure.

00:32:20.000 For sure.

00:32:21.000 25 to 30% per day, I think it was.

00:32:23.000 That's interesting.

00:32:24.000 So it seems like you could almost get everything you need just while you're walking every day.

00:32:29.000 That's it, yeah.

00:32:30.000 Like you're right there.

00:32:30.000 If the days are good, you know, if we've got access to blue sky.

00:32:34.000 But I took...

00:32:35.000 Does it work at all when it's cloudy?

00:32:37.000 It does, but painfully slow.

00:32:40.000 Like maybe after an hour you've bumped up a percent.

00:32:43.000 How crazy is the idea though?

00:32:46.000 They're stealing energy out of the sky.

00:32:48.000 Amazing, yeah.

00:32:49.000 It's the sun.

00:32:50.000 The energy of the sun is powering your phone.

00:32:52.000 That's it.

00:32:53.000 That's it.

00:32:54.000 I don't want to do it that way just to do it that way.

00:32:56.000 It just sounds so badass.

00:32:57.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:32:59.000 That's the way the world's moving as well, isn't it?

00:33:01.000 Yeah, the energy of the sun powering your phone.

00:33:03.000 I mean, the world just needs more efficient ways to use solar, and they're going to get better at it for sure.

00:33:09.000 It's far better than it used to be.

00:33:09.000 Yeah, big time.

00:33:10.000 I was shocked to see it all over China as well, actually.

00:33:13.000 So I would imagine, right?

00:33:15.000 There's a lot of rural places in particular that don't really have too much access to the grid.

00:33:19.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:33:20.000 So when you're traveling around, are you using the phone as your GPS or do you have a standalone GPS unit?

00:33:28.000 So with China, I was using the GPS and that would keep me... 0.98

00:33:34.000 Like a Garmin or something?

00:33:35.000 Yeah, I got an inReach Denorme.

00:33:38.000 That's the one you can communicate with people, right?

00:33:40.000 With that one, you can send text only.

00:33:40.000 Yeah.

00:33:43.000 But I did.

00:33:44.000 I took a Navarino sat phone and that would allow for calls.

00:33:49.000 And that got me out of a lot of difficult situations.

00:33:54.000 Were you ever in a situation where you're like, I think these people are going to rob us?

00:33:59.000 I was robbed in Mongolia, but in China, no. 0.87

00:34:03.000 You got robbed in Mongolia?

00:34:04.000 What happened?

00:34:05.000 They stole my solar panel.

00:34:06.000 Really?

00:34:07.000 They did it so politely, so nicely.

00:34:09.000 They just came over, they were visiting, I was chilling with them, eating my ration pack.

00:34:12.000 They brought some food and some tea over.

00:34:15.000 We all sat out in the sun and at one point they would have slid my solar panel under my tent and I didn't see it.

00:34:21.000 So when it came for me to pack everything back into my tent, which I did, put my head down, fell asleep and then I all of a sudden felt like nudging on the tent and something was yanked from underneath it.

00:34:32.000 And I just thought, hello.

00:34:34.000 And then someone was just running away.

00:34:36.000 And I thought, oh, maybe he came to say hi.

00:34:38.000 And I've just scared him off, not realizing.

00:34:40.000 But then the next morning, I realized the solar panel's missing.

00:34:43.000 And then whilst I was tracking, I clicked and thought, OK, very clever.

00:34:48.000 Came back a few hours later at dark, took it from underneath and ran. 0.99

00:34:53.000 So now what do you do without a fucking solar panel? 0.99

00:34:56.000 Yeah, I had a spare. 0.99

00:34:58.000 Because at that point, I took a trailer, and the trailer weighed about 120 kilograms of everything that I had in it, which is about 260 pounds.

00:35:07.000 And so yeah, with that journey, I made sure I had backups.

00:35:10.000 How are you moving the trailer?

00:35:11.000 So yeah, so with Mongolia, it's just strapped with me.

00:35:15.000 It's like a four-point harness.

00:35:17.000 What?

00:35:17.000 On wheels.

00:35:18.000 So you're not just walking 4,000 miles.

00:35:20.000 You're walking 4,000 miles or 260 pounds behind you?

00:35:23.000 No, so this is a whole different expedition.

00:35:25.000 Oh.

00:35:25.000 Yeah, so this takes...

00:35:26.000 When it came to Robin, there was nothing in China, so I went to Mongolia.

00:35:29.000 Okay, that's right.

00:35:30.000 Okay.

00:35:30.000 So that's there.

00:35:31.000 But in China...

00:35:33.000 No, I had difficult situations with the authorities, with the police.

00:35:38.000 Were they trying to get bribes?

00:35:40.000 No, they were just...

00:35:41.000 I was in a sensitive area, you know, to get to the source.

00:35:44.000 The planning, it took over two years.

00:35:46.000 So I needed government support.

00:35:47.000 I needed national park access.

00:35:49.000 I needed...

00:35:52.000 And a Green Development Foundation, which is like an organisation to make me ambassador, to make me doctor for a year, to be able to get all of this access.

00:36:02.000 When I went through the motions of getting these different organisations on board, that would give me access to the authorities and allow me to get to the source.

00:36:11.000 It was amazing.

00:36:12.000 It blows my mind now.

00:36:13.000 It was really, really difficult to get off the ground.

00:36:17.000 But we did that.

00:36:18.000 But still, we were so close to Tibet that the Tibetan police would come over and threaten to get rid of us and deport us and whatnot.

00:36:26.000 So that came as a worry.

00:36:27.000 But again, I carried 13 different documents or stamped or official or signed.

00:36:31.000 So I had to show them that.

00:36:33.000 I had to use the satellite phone, call into the Beijing team, use as translation.

00:36:37.000 I think that one time they made me delete all of the information, all of the tracked information I needed for Guinness World Record.

00:36:43.000 They made me delete that, but luckily it was backed up because they didn't want to have me seen walk in this region.

00:36:50.000 It was quite sensitive there, but I was definitely in China and definitely in Qinghai province.

00:36:56.000 Sensitive how so?

00:36:57.000 Just because you've got Tibet and you've got China and they're very close to each other.

00:37:02.000 So I needed to make sure that I was always in China. 0.99

00:37:05.000 Sometimes you'd get the police come over too.

00:37:07.000 Did they think that you were a spy or something?

00:37:10.000 Yeah, no idea what they thought, but it came as a shock to them.

00:37:14.000 They were also very worried for my safety.

00:37:16.000 So there was that angle as well, that they were saying once they found out it was official, it was legit and they'd apologize.

00:37:21.000 They'd actually follow me on the Chinese social media, you know, follow the journey.

00:37:25.000 So that was great.

00:37:26.000 But after that, they did say, we are just, you know, bringing you in for your protection.

00:37:31.000 There's bears, there's wolves.

00:37:32.000 We've not seen a westerner out here in I don't know how long.

00:37:35.000 So that got tricky, and there was one stage where they said, you need to be on the other side of the river.

00:37:40.000 So they drove us 40 miles back on ourself to a bridge, dropped us off on the other side, and we had to do those 40 miles all over again.

00:37:47.000 That was day six into the journey, and we were desperately trying to get off the mountains, and now we just dropped back 40. We had to walk those 40 miles again.

00:37:55.000 No way around it.

00:37:56.000 Nightmare. 1.00

00:37:57.000 Fuck, dude. 1.00

00:38:00.000 Fuck! 1.00

00:38:00.000 So yeah, it was really tricky. 1.00

00:38:02.000 The source around that area, really sensitive.

00:38:05.000 And then we found that the locals would call the police as well.

00:38:09.000 They would radio to the next girl, to the next girl, to the next girl, until eventually there was a phone signal and they would call the police.

00:38:15.000 And the police would often rock up at 2, 3 o'clock in the morning, just at our tent.

00:38:19.000 They had the location bang on.

00:38:21.000 They rocked up, like, what are you doing here?

00:38:24.000 So we found out that the locals were amazing, very hospitable, but they were worried and they didn't know if they'd seen a Westerner.

00:38:30.000 Do they report it?

00:38:31.000 Will they be in trouble if they don't report it?

00:38:33.000 So they did.

00:38:34.000 So it came, it pretty much went from Mission Yangtze to almost Mission Escape and Evade.

00:38:38.000 We had to escape the sensitive region that we were in, but we had to evade the locals because we realized that it was them calling the police.

00:38:45.000 That went on for about three weeks.

00:38:46.000 I would think they would maybe think that you were an escaped fugitive.

00:38:49.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:38:50.000 Because if you think of a fugitive from America or the UK is trying to get away, what better way to just jump into the middle of nowhere in China and walk? 0.87

00:38:59.000 Yeah, that's it.

00:39:00.000 Yeah, potentially.

00:39:01.000 Or just, again, a threat from...

00:39:03.000 You look like you could be a fugitive.

00:39:03.000 Yeah.

00:39:05.000 Maybe some sort of bank robber type character.

00:39:07.000 I'd say it.

00:39:07.000 From a Guy Ritchie movie.

00:39:09.000 There we go.

00:39:10.000 So, you are avoiding this sensitive area, so this is a sensitive area that's close to Tibet and the Chinese border.

00:39:17.000 Did you anticipate any of these things beforehand?

00:39:19.000 Like, did you guys sit down with the team, like when you were, and did you say, okay, this could go wrong, this could go wrong?

00:39:26.000 How many things did you figure could go wrong that didn't?

00:39:28.000 So many things that could have gone wrong that luckily didn't.

00:39:31.000 This was really sketchy.

00:39:34.000 Just the Yangtze is just known.

00:39:36.000 It cuts through a lot of diversity.

00:39:38.000 It's a beautiful, stunning park.

00:39:40.000 One of the beautiful places that I've been.

00:39:41.000 But there are all sensitivities.

00:39:43.000 There's the elevation.

00:39:45.000 There is the wildlife.

00:39:46.000 There's the temperatures as well.

00:39:49.000 Did you ever see that video of, I don't know if the girl's from China or from Japan.

00:39:53.000 It turned out to be fake.

00:39:55.000 But she's snowboarding and behind her you see a bear running.

00:39:58.000 Yeah, I did see that video.

00:39:59.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:40:00.000 Is that possible?

00:40:01.000 The video's fake.

00:40:03.000 Where is that?

00:40:03.000 In Japan?

00:40:04.000 That's a good question.

00:40:05.000 I'm not sure.

00:40:05.000 I think it's Japan, isn't it?

00:40:07.000 It might be China.

00:40:07.000 I did see that.

00:40:08.000 They exist in Japan as well, right?

00:40:10.000 They do.

00:40:11.000 I believe so.

00:40:12.000 Can you, Jamie, I'm sorry, I'm double Google asking you.

00:40:16.000 Yeah, bring that up if you can.

00:40:18.000 Yeah, it's a fun video to watch.

00:40:20.000 After that I want to see a picture of that Yangtze river.

00:40:22.000 So she was oblivious.

00:40:23.000 I don't think it's real.

00:40:24.000 I don't think it's real. 0.95

00:40:25.000 I think someone just did some cool shit with CGI, but it looks pretty good. 0.69

00:40:29.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 1.00

00:40:30.000 It looks like if it was in a movie, you'd be like, oh fuck, oh fuck, because the girl's got headphones on, she's fucking rocking out. 1.00

00:40:37.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:40:37.000 It's a tiger as well recently. 1.00

00:40:39.000 It was in India.

00:40:40.000 Just sprints across the road and how fast it was going.

00:40:42.000 See, here it is.

00:40:43.000 So it's really well made, whoever did it.

00:40:46.000 It's like she's got a GoPro.

00:40:47.000 Yeah.

00:40:48.000 It's on the ground. 0.98

00:40:49.000 And then as she's going down the hill and her snowboard at a certain point in time, you look and see a fucking bear and she has no idea. 0.98

00:40:58.000 She's laughing and everything's cool. 0.98

00:41:00.000 And then watch it turn to the side again.

00:41:03.000 Yeah.

00:41:04.000 I think you see the bear more than once.

00:41:06.000 Oh, terrifying.

00:41:06.000 There it is, yeah.

00:41:07.000 The second one is where I'm skeptical because it seems like this... 0.99

00:41:14.000 Oh, fuck, it looks pretty goddamn realistic. 0.98

00:41:16.000 It looks pretty damn good, doesn't it? 1.00

00:41:17.000 That would be hard to do.

00:41:19.000 Yeah, like the bear just gave up at that point.

00:41:21.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:41:21.000 Damn, that chick is flying. 0.99

00:41:23.000 I have never snowboarded. 1.00

00:41:25.000 From what I've heard from my friends, when you snowboard, it's easier to break your head.

00:41:29.000 You see your feet go up in the air and your head goes down.

00:41:33.000 Yeah.

00:41:33.000 It's easy to break your head.

00:41:34.000 It's difficult actually.

00:41:35.000 It's supposed to be Japan. 0.99

00:41:37.000 It's supposed to be Japan. 0.99

00:41:38.000 Yeah.

00:41:39.000 I've got that Tiger one.

00:41:41.000 Tiger one.

00:41:42.000 There's one recent.

00:41:43.000 Did you ever see the one where the dude's...

00:41:45.000 I think he's in India and they're on a bike.

00:41:48.000 Like a motorbike.

00:41:49.000 That's the one I'm talking about.

00:41:50.000 Tiger's chasing behind him.

00:41:52.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:41:52.000 Have you seen that?

00:41:52.000 Oh my god.

00:41:53.000 The speed.

00:41:54.000 It almost gets him.

00:41:55.000 It almost gets him.

00:41:56.000 Yeah, it does.

00:41:57.000 That's definitely not edited.

00:41:58.000 It's chasing him, too.

00:41:58.000 Yeah.

00:41:59.000 Dude, that's...

00:42:00.000 Petrifying. 1.00

00:42:01.000 That is fucking horrific. 1.00

00:42:03.000 Here we go. 1.00

00:42:03.000 Here it is. 1.00

00:42:04.000 So these guys are on...

00:42:05.000 Look at this tiger.

00:42:05.000 Just going for it.

00:42:07.000 Almost got him.

00:42:08.000 Almost got him.

00:42:09.000 No way.

00:42:09.000 Oh, man.

00:42:11.000 Imagine the adrenaline right there.

00:42:14.000 That dude is wishing he had the cash for a bigger engine.

00:42:17.000 Right there is when you...

00:42:20.000 Oh, my God. 0.99

00:42:21.000 What a killing machine. 0.97

00:42:22.000 So beautiful. 1.00

00:42:23.000 What a fucked up way to die from the most beautiful thing nature has ever created. 0.99

00:42:28.000 If a tiger wasn't a murderous, horrific predator that definitely eats people, you would look at it and go, was it a movie like Avatar or something like that? 0.99

00:42:37.000 A tiger doesn't even look like a real creature.

00:42:39.000 That's it.

00:42:39.000 It's so beautiful.

00:42:40.000 Oh, stunning.

00:42:41.000 They're all beautiful creatures, aren't they?

00:42:42.000 Beautiful and spectacular and murderous.

00:42:45.000 And terrifying at the same time.

00:42:47.000 Chasing you on a moped.

00:42:48.000 Oh, the speed as well.

00:42:50.000 Same with a bear.

00:42:50.000 You think they're going to be slow, but they can run.

00:42:52.000 Oh, they run way faster than people.

00:42:53.000 They run faster than Usain Bolt.

00:42:55.000 He can't even get away from a bear.

00:42:57.000 And if he touches you, all they need is one little ankle pick.

00:43:00.000 Yeah. 0.92

00:43:00.000 One little, just kick that ankle. 0.92

00:43:02.000 Woo! 0.99

00:43:02.000 You go flying through the air. 0.99

00:43:03.000 That's it.

00:43:04.000 Head first.

00:43:05.000 They tear you apart.

00:43:06.000 We came across bare footprints and we believed that the bare footprints were fairly fresh.

00:43:11.000 Maybe past our exact track that we were on in West China.

00:43:15.000 Show me with your hand how big it was.

00:43:17.000 Maybe about this big. 1.00

00:43:18.000 Oh, fuck that. 0.99

00:43:18.000 You got a picture, actually, on the Instagram. 0.99

00:43:20.000 That's big, dude.

00:43:21.000 You got a video, actually, of Tibetan Mastiffs as well. 1.00

00:43:25.000 Oh, dude.

00:43:25.000 You got a Tibetan Mastiff running up to me, trying to attack me.

00:43:28.000 Really?

00:43:28.000 Yeah, the guy just steps in, throws the stone.

00:43:30.000 You don't see that bit, but the Tibetan Mastiff... 1.00

00:43:32.000 Yeah, there you go.

00:43:35.000 That's a pretty good size.

00:43:37.000 That's not as big as I was thinking, but that's pretty big.

00:43:40.000 So that's its front paw, isn't it?

00:43:42.000 Yeah, I think.

00:43:44.000 I'm not a bear tracker.

00:43:45.000 And then it's like the back paw is almost like a human footprint, isn't it?

00:43:48.000 Well, the big brown bears, there's a photograph, a famous photograph of a woman who is a wildlife biologist and they had tagged this grizzly to put a collar on it or find its location or something like that or maybe do a test on it.

00:44:01.000 And she's holding its foot up. 0.84

00:44:03.000 And it is literally like a huge dinner plate.

00:44:08.000 See if you can find that picture of a biologist holds up grizzly's paw. 0.99

00:44:15.000 Yeah, it is fucking huge. 0.99

00:44:16.000 And the claws on it. 0.99

00:44:17.000 Yeah, it's like as wide as my chest.

00:44:20.000 That's what the bear's foot looks like.

00:44:21.000 Look at that!

00:44:22.000 Look at that! 1.00

00:44:23.000 Look at the fucking size of that bar! 1.00

00:44:26.000 You don't stand a chance, do you? 1.00

00:44:27.000 That's so crazy!

00:44:29.000 It's so crazy that nature created that. 1.00

00:44:32.000 Just a clean-up system for the fucking woods. 1.00

00:44:35.000 Anything with a limp. 1.00

00:44:36.000 Anything that's fucking around places it shouldn't be. 1.00

00:44:39.000 You're having too many babies. 1.00

00:44:40.000 Ooh, I smell them.

00:44:41.000 Coming to get them.

00:44:42.000 Done. 1.00

00:44:43.000 Fuck. 1.00

00:44:44.000 So here you are, and you're out there with these things, and you just have a little tent, and no weapons. 1.00

00:44:49.000 A little tent, yeah, and no weapons.

00:44:51.000 And there's three of you?

00:44:52.000 Three of you or four of you?

00:44:53.000 There was three for the first three weeks, and then there was two of us for four days.

00:44:57.000 Then from then on, it was pretty much solo, most of the way, for the first sort of half of the expedition.

00:45:04.000 And then the second half was super interactive, opened it up, people were joining.

00:45:08.000 Oh, so people knew about it.

00:45:09.000 Yeah, it went pretty big in China.

00:45:12.000 We'd have journalists, we'd have Chinese celebrities.

00:45:14.000 And they'd walk with you?

00:45:15.000 And they would trek with us, yeah.

00:45:17.000 Ooh, that's weird.

00:45:17.000 We'd sometimes organize events where it'd be rock climbing, we'd be teaching them how to belay off the cliff.

00:45:22.000 Where, like, do they have Instagram in China?

00:45:24.000 No, so I had to get all of the different social media platforms.

00:45:29.000 There you go. 0.99

00:45:29.000 That's pig's liver. 0.99

00:45:30.000 Whoa.

00:45:30.000 So they marinate it in vodka and chili.

00:45:33.000 And you're drinking it?

00:45:34.000 No, you're blowing it up?

00:45:35.000 Blowing it up.

00:45:36.000 That's Pasha Worm. 0.69

00:45:37.000 So that's like a rare delicacy.

00:45:38.000 You can eat it raw, straight from the Yangtze River.

00:45:40.000 How sick did you get?

00:45:42.000 Yeah.

00:45:42.000 You had to have some serious stomach bugs.

00:45:45.000 Yeah, over the past decade, I've eaten all sorts.

00:45:48.000 The lot.

00:45:49.000 So there's like towards the east.

00:45:51.000 So it was super interactive as well.

00:45:53.000 It was...

00:45:53.000 So these kids all knew that you were doing this?

00:45:55.000 Yeah, yeah, there's a news channel there as well, and we were creating a documentary.

00:46:00.000 Oh, that's pretty cool.

00:46:01.000 At one point...

00:46:02.000 Good hospitality?

00:46:02.000 Yeah, amazing hospitality.

00:46:04.000 They were so friendly.

00:46:05.000 At one point, Adidas got wind of it, and they invited me out to launch...

00:46:08.000 Do you know Jet Li?

00:46:09.000 Yes.

00:46:10.000 He had a co-branded range between himself and Adidas, so it was like a photoshoot GQ, Adidas, and Jackie Huang, who's like a big movie star.

00:46:18.000 And I just jumped at the chance.

00:46:20.000 It was one day off, one day in, in Shanghai, straight back into the wilderness.

00:46:23.000 And that was crazy contrast.

00:46:25.000 One minute in the wilderness, next minute, flying out to Shanghai, got all of these stylists, makeup artists, like, whoa, photo shoot, boof, straight back.

00:46:33.000 Yeah.

00:46:33.000 And that was because they wanted, like, a face of the East to represent the brand, but also a face from the West, so it came from nowhere.

00:46:40.000 So it was great.

00:46:41.000 You know, lots of people started getting wind on it.

00:46:43.000 Again, I had to start, I think, eight to nine different social media channels in China because they have their own platforms.

00:46:49.000 They don't have Google, Instagram's banned, YouTube, etc.

00:46:52.000 So yeah, I had a great team, Mandarin Films and Beijing, who really helped support, set all of this up and we were translating.

00:46:58.000 Was there a certain point in time that when these people were going with you, they were like, hey, bro, I'm done.

00:47:02.000 You're on your own.

00:47:03.000 And was that kind of weird?

00:47:04.000 Like when the crowds...

00:47:05.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:47:05.000 Now you're back to being yourself again?

00:47:07.000 By yourself again?

00:47:09.000 The second half of the expedition, it was okay.

00:47:11.000 So it was coming across many people.

00:47:12.000 But the first half...

00:47:14.000 Oh man, the first half, it got quite difficult.

00:47:17.000 Yeah, it was lonely at times, it was boring.

00:47:19.000 Like the hiking, I don't really, it sounds funny, I don't really particularly enjoy the hiking, the trekking, the walking.

00:47:24.000 But that's what you chose to do for a whole year.

00:47:26.000 I know, I know, right?

00:47:26.000 I can get pretty boring.

00:47:28.000 Well, if you eat porridge every day, you're like, I don't really like porridge.

00:47:31.000 That's it.

00:47:32.000 It's actually, it's the survival, it's the challenges, and it's the people you meet along the way.

00:47:36.000 So did you ever have a point where you had large groups of people but then not?

00:47:39.000 Yeah, quite often.

00:47:41.000 I think the largest we had was about 35 or 40 people.

00:47:44.000 And then afterwards they went away?

00:47:46.000 Afterwards they went away.

00:47:47.000 Back on the grind.

00:47:48.000 That must be the weird part.

00:47:50.000 A bunch of people join in with you, and then they're gone.

00:47:53.000 That's it.

00:47:54.000 And then you're still trudging.

00:47:55.000 Yeah, and you've got to keep going.

00:47:57.000 Get some Joe Rogan podcast on the earphones as an aircracker.

00:48:00.000 You're like, there's only 290 days to go.

00:48:02.000 Look on the bright side.

00:48:03.000 Yeah, that's it.

00:48:05.000 And the first part was more so, because the second half, there was lots of people.

00:48:09.000 It was very interactive.

00:48:10.000 The first half, like I had a UK photographer fly out, Martin Lyons, and he joined me.

00:48:14.000 He was supposed to join me for two weeks, but there was a terrifying landslide, pretty much.

00:48:19.000 It just blocked the way, and there was only two options to cross.

00:48:23.000 And again, you know, this isn't his profession.

00:48:25.000 That's not what he does.

00:48:26.000 He's a photographer, so he's coming to my world, and he's...

00:48:29.000 We've seen these two options.

00:48:31.000 Either one could go terribly wrong.

00:48:32.000 You're dropping a hell of a distance and you're straight into the Yangtze River.

00:48:35.000 So he was supposed to join me for two weeks, but he ended up going back on day number one after six hours just because of the danger of trying to cross it.

00:48:42.000 And so that for my mindset, having company for two weeks, I have a good friend of mine as well from the UK. I can speak, I can converse and communicate with.

00:48:50.000 To then having no one back to my own.

00:48:52.000 It's still in the wild side of China. 0.97

00:48:54.000 Still bears, still wolves, and I'm solo.

00:48:56.000 So that hit me hard. 0.99

00:48:57.000 I was like, damn. 0.99

00:48:58.000 Are you keeping a journal in your tent at night? 0.99

00:49:00.000 Yeah, I would actually stick to...

00:49:02.000 I did on the previous expeditions.

00:49:03.000 With this one, I stuck to voice memos because it would capture my thoughts, my feelings, my emotions.

00:49:09.000 And so I was...

00:49:10.000 Especially for the book, I was capturing as much as...

00:49:13.000 And you're doing this with your phone?

00:49:15.000 Doing this with the phone, yeah.

00:49:16.000 Were you worried about dropping your phone and losing everything?

00:49:18.000 I was.

00:49:19.000 I was.

00:49:20.000 Each city I came across, I just tried to back everything up.

00:49:23.000 With Wi-Fi?

00:49:25.000 Yeah, Wi-Fi.

00:49:26.000 What are you allowed to use over there?

00:49:28.000 Do you have to use an Android phone on their system, a Chinese system?

00:49:31.000 No, we were okay.

00:49:32.000 I just took my iPhone.

00:49:34.000 I was connected to all of their social media, of course.

00:49:37.000 I had my own bank account transactions, all of that with China.

00:49:40.000 So I was very much on the system.

00:49:41.000 You can't use Twitter or Instagram over there?

00:49:45.000 No, you can't.

00:49:45.000 You've got to get a VPN. What is that?

00:49:47.000 Oh, Virtual Private Network.

00:49:48.000 That's it, yes.

00:49:49.000 I thought it was like one of their apps.

00:49:51.000 So what are their apps that you're allowed to use?

00:49:53.000 What's their social media apps?

00:49:54.000 So they have like Weibo, which is kind of like an Instagram.

00:49:57.000 They have a WeChat, which is kind of like a WhatsApp merged into Facebook.

00:50:03.000 So are you having to translate all of their comments, like when they write things?

00:50:08.000 Oh, when they write?

00:50:08.000 Yeah, I can, but sometimes it's too many.

00:50:11.000 You've got to open it up, go on the VPN, open up the Google, translate it.

00:50:15.000 I would just send it to the team.

00:50:16.000 The team would actually do most of the posting for me.

00:50:19.000 I'd send it to the UK team to post on the international social media website.

00:50:23.000 Oh, so you could send them that post and they could put it on Instagram or Twitter?

00:50:27.000 That's it, yeah.

00:50:28.000 I would send them like a voice memo or a message of text what to say.

00:50:32.000 Was there ever an issue with the Chinese government that you were doing that through a third party, that you were somehow or another getting the information out into the real internet?

00:50:39.000 Not so much, no, because even the satellite that we had to carry, I carried like a Navarino satellite beacon system, if you like, and that we had to register with the government and he had to sign off so they knew what I had with me.

00:50:51.000 And it was with that satellite that I was able to send to the Beijing team.

00:50:55.000 They would forward on to the UK team and from there we were able to make it one of the world's most interactive firsts.

00:51:00.000 Did they have any concern at all about you using the regular internet?

00:51:04.000 Like instead of just using the Chinese approved social media sites that you were also using the other ones that were international?

00:51:10.000 That's it, using international and the in-China, in-house ones.

00:51:14.000 Do they have an issue with that at all, the Chinese people?

00:51:16.000 No, not that I'm aware of, no.

00:51:18.000 A lot of the Chinese are also on Instagram as well.

00:51:20.000 Really?

00:51:21.000 Yeah.

00:51:21.000 How do they do that?

00:51:23.000 VPN. Of course.

00:51:24.000 Yeah, so a lot of them still try to...

00:51:25.000 So the Chinese government tolerates that?

00:51:27.000 Yeah, I think there's only a certain amount of lockdown that they can have.

00:51:31.000 That's interesting.

00:51:32.000 There's a lot of Chinese travelers as well, so they go to these foreign countries, they get the Instagram, the Twitter, the Facebook...

00:51:38.000 They get woke when they go to foreign countries.

00:51:41.000 So that's got to be weird, using their government-approved social media.

00:51:45.000 Did it feel weird while you were using it?

00:51:47.000 Yeah, I got so used to it.

00:51:49.000 I think there was 10 or 11 different social networks that I was on.

00:51:52.000 It was mainly my team.

00:51:54.000 There was just too much.

00:51:55.000 Do they have more over there than we do over here?

00:51:57.000 Yeah, I'd say so.

00:51:58.000 Oh, and they're well connected.

00:52:00.000 Their phone is just like an extension.

00:52:01.000 Is it different?

00:52:04.000 In what way?

00:52:05.000 In terms of, like, do they have different apps that they use more often or different things in their phones?

00:52:10.000 Yeah, they have their own app, so they have everything that we have, but converted, just different.

00:52:17.000 Go on.

00:52:18.000 We have an issue in this country with Huawei and a lot of these Chinese companies.

00:52:25.000 You can't even buy a Huawei phone anymore over in America.

00:52:29.000 But the ones that they sell over in China are super sophisticated.

00:52:33.000 They're like the top of the food chain phones right now.

00:52:35.000 Big time.

00:52:36.000 And the cameras as well.

00:52:37.000 Because that's what all of the Chinese love as well.

00:52:39.000 To be able to take good photos, good videos.

00:52:42.000 And that is just an instant sell with the camera that's come with that phone.

00:52:46.000 Yeah, they've blocked them from Google, though.

00:52:48.000 This is where it gets really interesting.

00:52:50.000 That's why I'm asking.

00:52:51.000 Google no longer lets them use Google Apps, so you can't use the Google Play Store.

00:52:55.000 So you have to either sideload apps, you could sideload some apps, or you have to get the Huawei version of these apps.

00:53:03.000 So I'm like, I wonder if...

00:53:07.000 From the United States trying to stop them from taking over.

00:53:10.000 And they're worried that it's a branch of the government and they're going to get their hands in all these different enterprises and businesses.

00:53:17.000 And they'll be able to spy on everything and extract information because they can do that with their Huawei devices.

00:53:22.000 But it's interesting that I wonder if...

00:53:25.000 Leaving them out of the system will make them create a system that's better, and they don't even need our system anymore.

00:53:32.000 It's almost better to like...

00:53:33.000 Yeah, you know, I think that's the way it's going.

00:53:36.000 They don't have Google, but they have Baidu.

00:53:38.000 Baidu's just like Google.

00:53:39.000 But they can control it more.

00:53:41.000 They'll have whatever their version is of Wikipedia.

00:53:44.000 But it's all government-controlled information now.

00:53:47.000 They got so many good at it.

00:53:49.000 I think they've got an app as well, like a delivery app, where if the guy is like one minute late, you can throw a complaint in and then it's free delivery.

00:53:56.000 Costs pennies as it is anyway.

00:53:58.000 One minute?

00:53:58.000 Yeah, so sometimes they'll call, I'm going to be a minute late, is it okay?

00:54:01.000 Can you not phone in?

00:54:02.000 Because he won't get paid then.

00:54:03.000 Oh, wow.

00:54:04.000 It's a deadline.

00:54:05.000 Yeah, and like even the bullet trains, they're so advanced.

00:54:08.000 The bullet trains are leaving on the second, let alone the minute.

00:54:11.000 A couple of seconds before the minute, if anything, they're just so sufficient.

00:54:15.000 And you see that there, everything's in-house.

00:54:17.000 They've got things cogging over there.

00:54:18.000 It's made in China.

00:54:20.000 It's almost like they don't need the rest of the world.

00:54:23.000 That's the scary thing, you know?

00:54:25.000 But it's, again, a pleasant place to be.

00:54:28.000 I had my friend, Martin Barrington, who's here as well, say that, because he joined me on Mission Yangtze, and he had this idea that maybe it might be a little bit more suppressed, and when he joined me, he was like, wow, everyone's happy, everyone's doing their tai chi, dancing, everyone's active.

00:54:41.000 There's a strong sense of community.

00:54:43.000 What part of China was this?

00:54:45.000 All over.

00:54:46.000 Yeah, all over.

00:54:47.000 So do you think that we in America have a misconception of what it's like to be Chinese?

00:54:50.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:54:51.000 Not just in the US, UK as well.

00:54:54.000 I think most countries, yeah.

00:54:56.000 Do you think it's because we don't communicate or because their language is so different, they seem so different because they're all the way over there?

00:55:03.000 Like, what is it?

00:55:04.000 Yeah, I think it's just because it's so locked off, isn't it?

00:55:07.000 You know, they're locked off the grid.

00:55:08.000 They don't really shout about what they're doing.

00:55:10.000 Like right now, as we were saying before, the amount of solar panels, wind farms, they sent, I think, 19,000 soldiers out to plant trees.

00:55:19.000 But all of that, they're not shouting to get attention.

00:55:21.000 They're just doing it.

00:55:22.000 And so I sometimes see that, oh, China aren't doing enough.

00:55:25.000 But on the inside, when I'm over in China, I see it all.

00:55:27.000 You know, like, whoa, we didn't know about this.

00:55:29.000 So, you know, I'm to blame as well.

00:55:31.000 Before I went to China, I thought maybe it's going to be the same. 0.71

00:55:34.000 But that's why I go to these places, you know, get out there, explore its interior, meet the people of the country.

00:55:40.000 Yeah, it's a pleasant place to be, for sure.

00:55:42.000 That's pretty badass, man, to get a totally different view of a country than what most people do, and to do it for a full year.

00:55:50.000 Do you think that's going to be a place you go back and visit now?

00:55:53.000 Yeah, 100%.

00:55:54.000 I think it took off so well.

00:55:56.000 I had such immense support there that it'd be a shame not to continue it.

00:56:01.000 So I will be going back.

00:56:02.000 Me and the teams out there are already Looking at next ideas.

00:56:07.000 I'm sure you are.

00:56:08.000 So is that how it works?

00:56:09.000 How much time do you take when you're done walking for a year?

00:56:12.000 How much time do you take before you go, okay, now what?

00:56:15.000 You barely know.

00:56:16.000 So as soon as I got back from Mission Yangtze, I had an Asia tour.

00:56:19.000 So I was straight back out there, Korea, Singapore.

00:56:23.000 I'm back out to China doing lectures.

00:56:25.000 I've been out there four times already.

00:56:28.000 It's going to be aired on CCTV, the documentary, and TEDx talks as well.

00:56:33.000 I've been back four or five times already since I finished, only four or five months ago.

00:56:37.000 Every month I'm pretty much back out there.

00:56:40.000 When did you do the first one?

00:56:42.000 Was the first one Mongolia? 0.81

00:56:43.000 So the first year was Mongolia.

00:56:46.000 That was 2013. And how long did that take?

00:56:50.000 That took 78 days.

00:56:52.000 So it all pretty much started living in Wales there.

00:56:56.000 I went from high school, I went on to college to do an outdoor education course.

00:57:00.000 I was working various different, so my first job, what was it, 14, 15, fish and chip shop, $4 an hour, you know, grinding away, and then I went into waiting on, then I went into lifeguarding, because I heard that the lifeguarding money for a young teenager, well, 16, 17, is pretty well paid.

00:57:16.000 And then it was from there that I started to save up as much money as I can, got rid of my little jalopy of a car, bought myself a little bicycle, cycled to and from work, just saving the pennies, and eventually left at age 19. And the first place I went was China.

00:57:30.000 Great Wall.

00:57:31.000 I was only there for two weeks.

00:57:32.000 I left China.

00:57:33.000 When I looked back on the map, I thought, China's a big place.

00:57:36.000 I barely even touched the surface, you know, I need to get myself back there.

00:57:39.000 But after that, it was just various reckless, extremely low-budget adventures held around Southeast Asia.

00:57:46.000 When I say low-budget, it's like buying a bicycle for $10, finding string on the side of the road that we would use to strap the rucksack onto the back with.

00:57:55.000 No pump, no puncture repair kit.

00:57:57.000 We're about to cycle over Cambodia, Vietnam, over 1,100 miles.

00:58:02.000 Why wouldn't you get a puncture repair kit?

00:58:04.000 Just saving the pennies.

00:58:05.000 We actually got a tent that was about...

00:58:06.000 I know, man.

00:58:07.000 We got a tent that was $5.

00:58:09.000 Found out the hard way it wasn't waterproof.

00:58:11.000 Just silly things.

00:58:13.000 You made it on the bike, though?

00:58:15.000 Made it.

00:58:15.000 The bike broke 17 times until I was with my friend, Matt Norman.

00:58:19.000 I named mine Little Elder. 0.90

00:58:21.000 A ridiculous name. 0.58

00:58:22.000 I think the bike's maybe on my Instagram. 0.98

00:58:25.000 Ridiculous little bicycle, basket on the front, a little pink bell.

00:58:28.000 Off we went, both of us. 0.83

00:58:30.000 Bikes broke 17 times in total.

00:58:32.000 How'd you get them fixed?

00:58:33.000 We would rock up at the locals and rock up, see if they can help, and they would fix it.

00:58:39.000 Really hospitable.

00:58:40.000 Did somebody have to translate to you?

00:58:42.000 Did you have a translator with you?

00:58:43.000 No.

00:58:44.000 No.

00:58:45.000 So we were just out there.

00:58:46.000 We were just, you know, rock up with a smile.

00:58:47.000 I think smiling is the biggest thing.

00:58:50.000 Communication sign, isn't it?

00:58:52.000 Sure.

00:58:52.000 They don't see you as a threat.

00:58:53.000 The barriers are down.

00:58:54.000 I'd point at the problem and then they would help me fix it.

00:58:56.000 Right. 0.99

00:58:56.000 If you walk in like a dick with a flat tire, that's not good. 0.99

00:59:00.000 Yeah, that's it. 0.99

00:59:01.000 Exactly.

00:59:01.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:59:02.000 So we just rock up.

00:59:04.000 We sort us out.

00:59:04.000 We're chased by dogs, hit by mopeds, dodged by lorries.

00:59:08.000 So that was the first away-from-home adventure.

00:59:10.000 I'd say that that was the catalyst.

00:59:12.000 You said dodged by lorries?

00:59:14.000 Yeah.

00:59:15.000 What does that mean?

00:59:15.000 That the roads were extremely sketchy.

00:59:18.000 Okay.

00:59:18.000 Enough only to translate that.

00:59:20.000 And they would be coming straight down the mountain pass.

00:59:25.000 Almost like the brakes were working properly.

00:59:27.000 We're squeezing in.

00:59:28.000 It's going past us.

00:59:29.000 We're like, we need to get off this road, man.

00:59:30.000 We're panicking, trying to cycle faster.

00:59:33.000 But after that, we just found my niche, found my passion.

00:59:37.000 Thought, wow, this is great.

00:59:38.000 It's cheap.

00:59:39.000 It's reckless.

00:59:40.000 But...

00:59:40.000 After that, we were in Thailand.

00:59:42.000 We hooked up with a local guy that said we can cross the border into Myanmar to a community.

00:59:48.000 It's like a Burmese hill tribe and we can learn jungle survival. 0.99

00:59:52.000 So we did.

00:59:53.000 We went there and this group living out there in the mountainous jungle region of the border of Tibet and Myanmar.

01:00:00.000 They were teaching us berries, like there's a mosquito repellent, like you can pop them, rope them in your skin, it'll repel the mosquitoes.

01:00:07.000 Teaching us how to hunt, how to gather, what berries or what leaves were edible, what plants weren't edible, how to build rafts and shelters using natural resources, you know, normally bamboo, banana leaves as a bed.

01:00:21.000 It was a slanted shelter for the rainwater to run off.

01:00:24.000 It was amazing.

01:00:25.000 We just continued these sort of adventures around Southeast Asia.

01:00:29.000 I hopped over to Australia, found some workers in Australia powering gas.

01:00:33.000 I think it was knocking on people's doors.

01:00:35.000 I thought, this isn't me.

01:00:37.000 This is not what I'm traveling for.

01:00:38.000 I'm in a suit now.

01:00:41.000 I remember I was shadowing my boss.

01:00:44.000 We walked up to this drive and there was this guy at the end of the drive doing all of these pull-ups.

01:00:48.000 At that point, I'd become quite unhealthy, put a bit more weight on.

01:00:51.000 It wasn't sticking to the trainer, it wasn't sticking to a good diet.

01:00:54.000 And he jumped down, he wasn't interested in the Australian pound on gas, but he mentioned something like, yeah, I respect you guys out here, 40 plus degrees Celsius, 108 Fahrenheit, knocking on people's doors in their suits, trying to sell them a good deal.

01:01:07.000 And my boss replied something cringeworthy.

01:01:10.000 He said something like, yeah, but we get paid a lot of this.

01:01:12.000 You know, I drive a Skyline.

01:01:13.000 So unnecessary.

01:01:14.000 And the guy replied, the guy who was doing the pull-ups, it's not all about the money, it's the lifestyle too.

01:01:19.000 And all of a sudden, that was a slap in the face for me.

01:01:21.000 That's why I started to travel.

01:01:23.000 So the next day, I quit the job, got myself a little bike with my friend again, and we just carried on, cycled to Southern Australia.

01:01:30.000 So you think by your boss saying something douchey that sort of leaned you in the right direction...

01:01:34.000 Yeah, I was thinking for a while, this isn't me. 0.99

01:01:37.000 It's foolish.

01:01:40.000 Yeah, I was doing something that wasn't... 1.00

01:01:44.000 But his behavior is foolish. 0.99

01:01:46.000 Yeah, I know his behavior. 0.99

01:01:48.000 I was looking at this guy and I was like, I'm not stood on his side.

01:01:51.000 I'm stood.

01:01:52.000 This is the way that I'm going.

01:01:53.000 This is my boss.

01:01:54.000 He would eat fast food every single morning, KFC. I was just like, this isn't how I am.

01:01:59.000 Sometimes you just need someone to say something like that, right?

01:02:01.000 Yeah, little nudges.

01:02:03.000 And I've had a lot of those little nudges along the way that if it wasn't for that nudge, I don't know, maybe I would have just continued and no idea.

01:02:10.000 Yeah, I think we all encounter those.

01:02:12.000 Yeah, for sure.

01:02:13.000 So you said you got robbed that one time where they stole your solar panel.

01:02:18.000 That's it?

01:02:20.000 It seems like you would get robbed a lot.

01:02:24.000 Madagascar.

01:02:25.000 Madagascar was more sketchy, I would say.

01:02:27.000 What was that like?

01:02:27.000 We'll come to Madagascar, but yeah, so just before, after that Australia cycle and before Mongolia, it's like this links us into the Mongolia.

01:02:37.000 It's actually then working in Thailand.

01:02:38.000 Because the money was so low, I had to find work as a master scuba diving instructor, but I was also doing the Muay Thai out in Thailand, which was awesome to see their discipline, you know, their ankle beating their shins.

01:02:50.000 Had you ever done it before?

01:02:52.000 No, I come from a boxing background, so I was doing boxing in Wales.

01:02:55.000 Did you know how to kick at all?

01:02:57.000 Nope.

01:02:57.000 So I learned the hard way.

01:03:00.000 I learned such the hard way, actually, that I had the boxing stance, left foot in front, And the Muay Thai stance is more square on.

01:03:07.000 It's different.

01:03:07.000 And they just jacked my leg up instantly.

01:03:09.000 Jacked it up.

01:03:10.000 Just kicked.

01:03:10.000 They didn't need to get into no fists with me.

01:03:13.000 It was just jacked my leg up.

01:03:14.000 The next day I had to cancel work.

01:03:16.000 I couldn't climb out of the ladder with all of my scuba diving kicks because I couldn't bend my leg.

01:03:20.000 And from there I just corrected.

01:03:22.000 I was training five, six times a day, killing my nerve endings on the shin.

01:03:25.000 I just loved it.

01:03:26.000 I had a stadium fight.

01:03:28.000 Did you?

01:03:29.000 Yeah.

01:03:29.000 Which stadium?

01:03:30.000 It was in Kotao, a little island in Kotao.

01:03:32.000 So a guy sailed from mainland over to Kotao, and the winner, the loser, you can make money, of course, you know, so that was kind of my way of paying the rent.

01:03:40.000 If I won, you leave with money.

01:03:42.000 If you lose, you leave with nothing.

01:03:44.000 Really?

01:03:44.000 Yeah, and you've got the locals around the ringside sort of banging down on the canvas, holding money up.

01:03:49.000 They're either pointing at you or they're pointing at your opponent.

01:03:51.000 How do you know when you take a fight like this that it's well-matched?

01:03:55.000 Yeah, well you don't really.

01:03:57.000 So that was my first stadium fight and apparently this guy in my opponent, that was his sixth.

01:04:03.000 But we looked similar height.

01:04:06.000 He looked to be maybe more experienced because of the fighting, but hadn't been fighting since a young age like a lot of the tyres have.

01:04:13.000 You know, they start from such a young age, as you know.

01:04:16.000 So yeah, it was a little bit, my heart, I was just like, right, I've done my training.

01:04:21.000 It was about, what, how many, five, six months in.

01:04:24.000 So that's pretty fast, you know, straight to the...

01:04:26.000 And you said you had boxed before that?

01:04:27.000 I'd boxed before that.

01:04:28.000 Had you competed?

01:04:29.000 No, not competed, so it was just amateur fighting.

01:04:31.000 Look at you.

01:04:32.000 Yeah.

01:04:33.000 That was in, yeah, that was Madagascar.

01:04:34.000 That's actually just playing around with my guide.

01:04:38.000 But, oh, I love it, yeah.

01:04:39.000 So...

01:04:41.000 How many fights did you have over there?

01:04:42.000 It was probably about eight club fights, but only one stadium fight.

01:04:46.000 The one stadium fight was the big one, you know.

01:04:50.000 You won that, paid for about two, three months worth of accommodation.

01:04:54.000 I was good, I needed it.

01:04:55.000 You don't earn much money as a scuba diver in Thailand.

01:04:57.000 So you won your stadium fight?

01:04:59.000 Won the stadium fight, yeah.

01:05:01.000 That's awesome.

01:05:02.000 What made you stop?

01:05:04.000 Mongolia.

01:05:05.000 So I love this lifestyle.

01:05:06.000 I was doing it for like two years, like living in Thailand for two years.

01:05:09.000 But I was like, I missed trekking the Himalayas.

01:05:12.000 I missed my time with the community, the hill tribe in Myanmar, cycling Vietnam. 0.99

01:05:17.000 So I was like, I need to do something, you know, big, something That'll take me to a country that I'm very unfamiliar with, and that brings in Mongolia.

01:05:26.000 So that was the first world, first record.

01:05:29.000 Not the first to attempt, though.

01:05:31.000 A guy from Britain had attempted on three occasions.

01:05:33.000 Unfortunately, evacuated just before the halfway point.

01:05:36.000 Tell people what the record is.

01:05:37.000 So it was the first to walk solo and unsupported across Mongolia's length.

01:05:42.000 So it's from west to east.

01:05:43.000 And when you say unsupported, does that mean there's no one monitoring you at all?

01:05:47.000 That's right.

01:05:48.000 So you're on your own.

01:05:50.000 You're tracking by, apart from the people that you see along the way, the communities.

01:05:54.000 Unsupported meaning everything that I needed to make the journey from start to end point was in the trailer that I was pulling.

01:06:01.000 And it was a bog-standard trailer built in a family friend's back garden.

01:06:05.000 So you said this trailer weighed 200 and what pounds?

01:06:08.000 Yeah, 120 kilograms, which I think is 260 pounds.

01:06:12.000 So here you are pulling this thing with a four-part harness.

01:06:15.000 First of all, that's hard.

01:06:16.000 That's hard to do.

01:06:17.000 Yeah.

01:06:18.000 Is it a flat road like that?

01:06:20.000 So this is entering the Gobi Desert.

01:06:21.000 So it's three weeks over the Altai Mountains, five weeks across the Gobi Desert, and a further three weeks up through the Mongolian steppe.

01:06:28.000 So the Altai Mountains were excruciating, you know.

01:06:31.000 It's no suspension, of course, on the trailer.

01:06:35.000 Even one little pebble or stone gets in the way and you're struggling to...

01:06:40.000 There's a sandstorm that I came across.

01:06:42.000 It's actually one of the smaller ones.

01:06:44.000 What?

01:06:46.000 That's a small one?

01:06:47.000 That's the small one, yeah.

01:06:48.000 It's so painful as well.

01:06:49.000 Have you ever been in a sandstorm?

01:06:51.000 No, I can only imagine.

01:06:52.000 It picks up the stones and grits, a whipping effect.

01:06:56.000 Well, I could imagine it could be deadly.

01:06:59.000 You can't see anything, right?

01:07:00.000 I've seen some of them that roll into Iraq.

01:07:02.000 There's soldiers that have taken videos of them and put them up on social media.

01:07:06.000 It's crazy.

01:07:07.000 It looks like something out of a biblical music.

01:07:09.000 A movie, rather.

01:07:10.000 Yeah.

01:07:10.000 Scary.

01:07:11.000 Yeah, there's giant clouds of dirt hitting your way.

01:07:13.000 Have you ever seen those, Jamie?

01:07:15.000 Sandstorm.

01:07:16.000 Pull up Sandstorm in Iraq. 0.98

01:07:18.000 Some of them are so insane.

01:07:19.000 With a big war in the distance. 0.71

01:07:20.000 Yeah, you see it coming. 1.00

01:07:20.000 You're like, what the fuck, man? 1.00

01:07:22.000 And everybody's just got to hunker down. 1.00

01:07:24.000 Yeah.

01:07:24.000 That's it.

01:07:25.000 You just got to ride it out.

01:07:27.000 Yeah, like I was able to.

01:07:28.000 Look at that.

01:07:28.000 Yeah, there you go.

01:07:29.000 That video is fucking bananas. 0.99

01:07:33.000 Al-Assad Air Force Base. 0.99

01:07:34.000 And as soon as it hits the wind, the disorientation is darkness inside and you can't hear anything.

01:07:40.000 And you're going to get in your tent and you're going to have to breathe through that.

01:07:43.000 Yeah, there wasn't one big enough, I would say, that I had to hide.

01:07:47.000 It was still big, but I carried on walking.

01:07:49.000 Because sometimes it would just come out of nowhere, so I didn't...

01:07:52.000 It was more like this.

01:07:54.000 Without the wall that you can see and the distance coming towards you.

01:07:58.000 Like that video?

01:07:59.000 Go back on that, Jamie.

01:08:00.000 This is how you see the storm overtakes them and it literally kills the day and turns it into night.

01:08:06.000 Yeah.

01:08:07.000 Because it blocks out the sun.

01:08:08.000 This is where it's really crazy.

01:08:10.000 Yeah.

01:08:10.000 Because you see this guy standing there.

01:08:13.000 And the storm starts to overtake them, and everything starts to get dim.

01:08:16.000 And then after...

01:08:17.000 Look at the difference in the color.

01:08:19.000 So fast-changing as well, isn't it?

01:08:21.000 Yes!

01:08:21.000 And now they're in the middle of it, and now it literally blocks out the sun.

01:08:26.000 They're in the center of that fucking horrific storm. 0.98

01:08:29.000 That guy's just walking around breathing. 0.99

01:08:31.000 Yeah, so that looks more like a dust storm, where it's...

01:08:35.000 Kind of similar, but the sand, it moves.

01:08:38.000 It depends on the speed of the wind.

01:08:41.000 But with a sandstorm, you've literally got to cover up.

01:08:43.000 So you saw me with a mask, I had to wear gloves, I had to wear a fleece.

01:08:46.000 It's just pounding your skin, almost like sandpaper, you know?

01:08:50.000 So it is...

01:08:51.000 How long did that last?

01:08:52.000 They would last about 15, 20 minutes.

01:08:54.000 Do you keep walking or do you stand still?

01:08:56.000 I carried on walking.

01:08:57.000 Yeah, I did carry on walking.

01:08:59.000 You can see where you're going?

01:09:00.000 Yeah, as long as you've got the heading on the compass, just keep going, keep going east.

01:09:05.000 Yeah, but you're also following a track.

01:09:07.000 So this was the...

01:09:09.000 So I almost actually lost my life in the Gobi Desert because I was trying to follow a track.

01:09:13.000 And the track is like your lifeline.

01:09:16.000 If you're not following, if you're off the track, it could be hundreds of miles.

01:09:19.000 The track is where there's a water source.

01:09:21.000 There's a well always alongside.

01:09:22.000 But the Gobi took me five weeks to get across.

01:09:25.000 So week after week I was suffering slowly with dehydration, heat exhaustion, slipping into heat stroke, which is usually fatal.

01:09:31.000 I had this big 20-litre water container, sort of remembering just rationing my last remaining dribbles of water, if you like.

01:09:38.000 I was hallucinating, got to a bad state.

01:09:41.000 One of the water wells was dry, and now I had to push on to the next one to hope that it had water.

01:09:46.000 It was a mix of hard sand or gravel and soft sand.

01:09:49.000 So now you can imagine pulling the wheels through soft sand.

01:09:52.000 They were just digging.

01:09:53.000 It was like pulling a concrete block through hell.

01:09:55.000 Oh my God.

01:09:56.000 Yeah, and I was just...

01:09:57.000 I got really skinny.

01:09:58.000 I got really weak.

01:09:59.000 The weeks went by.

01:10:00.000 I was disorientated.

01:10:02.000 I was hallucinating.

01:10:03.000 I was...

01:10:04.000 Sort of could feel my organs drying up, if you like.

01:10:07.000 It was at the point I just continued to rest under my shelter.

01:10:11.000 It was 40, 45 degrees Celsius.

01:10:12.000 No breeze, no natural shelter.

01:10:14.000 The only shelter I could find here was underneath the trailer.

01:10:17.000 I remember just lying there on my back for about 45 minutes to an hour, thinking, what have I done?

01:10:22.000 You know, I didn't have the evacuations the previous guy had.

01:10:25.000 No helicopters going to come and rescue me, you know.

01:10:27.000 The only backup that I had was...

01:10:29.000 My logistics manager, my fixer in the capital city, needed to allow at least three to four days for him to get to me and at least another day or two for him to get me out to safety.

01:10:39.000 Or I knew that there was a community which 100% had water.

01:10:43.000 It was about three or four days trek away.

01:10:45.000 And I continued and I pretty much passed the option of pickup at that stage.

01:10:50.000 The only way to make it was pushing on those extra few days to the community.

01:10:54.000 But again, four days, it was just too much for me.

01:10:57.000 I was in agony, man.

01:10:58.000 Absolute agony.

01:10:59.000 All of the thoughts, all of the feelings.

01:11:02.000 But that's when I've always been a big believer in breaking my goals down.

01:11:06.000 I couldn't visualise the three or four days, of course, but what I could visualise is 100 metres.

01:11:10.000 I could see 100 metres.

01:11:12.000 So I was just, if I can rest for five minutes, not an hour, and walk for 100 metres and then rest, because that's all I could manage before I was just in a mess, hide under my trailer again for another five minutes, if I can continue to do this.

01:11:25.000 Maybe by breaking my goals down, after four days of 100 meters, I can make it to the community.

01:11:31.000 And I did just about, it was off the radars.

01:11:33.000 My urine was almost black.

01:11:35.000 You know, I was in a bad way. 0.93

01:11:36.000 Your what was black? 0.85

01:11:37.000 My urine. 1.00

01:11:37.000 Urine. 1.00

01:11:38.000 Yeah.

01:11:39.000 Oh my god, so you probably had severe dehydration.

01:11:42.000 Yeah, I was in an awful way.

01:11:43.000 I was lucky to make it.

01:11:44.000 If that community wasn't there, if it had been abandoned, if the locals weren't there, I definitely wouldn't have made it.

01:11:49.000 Now, when you walk into a community like this, how many people are talking?

01:11:52.000 How big is the community?

01:11:54.000 Talking probably five, six huts, maybe 20, 30 people.

01:11:59.000 Wow.

01:12:00.000 Just in the desert, yeah.

01:12:01.000 And you just show up, some weird white dude, pulling a sled.

01:12:05.000 Pulling a big trailer behind.

01:12:07.000 And then you're like, yeah, I've been doing this.

01:12:08.000 There you go.

01:12:09.000 So that's it.

01:12:10.000 So with this, this is before I started feeling bad.

01:12:12.000 So with that, I had to run ahead of myself, set up my camera on a tripod, put it on a video or either a timer.

01:12:19.000 And with this one, it was a video because I was trying to show how difficult it was to pull the trailer through the sand.

01:12:25.000 So it was leaning forward.

01:12:26.000 It was 90 degrees and each step was...

01:12:29.000 That's insane.

01:12:30.000 Agonizing.

01:12:31.000 How many miles in the soft sand did you do?

01:12:33.000 So it was five weeks in the Gobi Desert, but not five weeks worth of soft sand.

01:12:38.000 I'd say maybe a week solid, but scattered over the five weeks.

01:12:42.000 Folks, if you want to... 0.97

01:12:43.000 We're looking at a photo on Instagram of Ash pulling this sled, leaning into it like, dude, you must kick ass at tug-of-war. 0.93

01:12:51.000 All you have to do is just go backwards. 0.87

01:12:53.000 Just think about how much... 1.00

01:12:56.000 Time you spent dragging a fucking sled. 1.00

01:12:59.000 Your legs must be made out of steel. 1.00

01:13:01.000 It was painful.

01:13:02.000 It was painful.

01:13:03.000 You probably never got a chance to recover, right?

01:13:05.000 Because you're basically lifting a little bit of weights every day.

01:13:07.000 And you feel each step, it's just a run of lactic acids, you know?

01:13:11.000 It's horrible.

01:13:12.000 So this is why I was just resting an awful...

01:13:15.000 Did you worry about rhabdomyelosis?

01:13:18.000 No.

01:13:19.000 No, I was...

01:13:20.000 Look, you see, I was still training in the Gobi Desert.

01:13:22.000 I was trying to keep my mindset, you know?

01:13:24.000 What were you doing there?

01:13:25.000 Oh, you're doing sit-ups?

01:13:26.000 Yeah, I would try to stay regimented.

01:13:28.000 You know, I have no military background, of course, but, you know, the mindset, I was trying to stay focused.

01:13:34.000 I would do my push-ups, my sit-ups, always been keen into the fitness.

01:13:38.000 It's funny, actually, even when I came back from Thailand to attempt this, I moved back in with my parents.

01:13:43.000 I had no money, of course.

01:13:45.000 They allowed me back in with them, which was great.

01:13:47.000 And I didn't even have money for a gym membership.

01:13:49.000 So I had my uncle drop me off a tractor tyre, I wore a local sledgehammer, worked on like a barb, bit of calisthenics, and that's what I was doing out in the rain, hardcore conditions of Wales.

01:13:58.000 Flipping the tractor tire, beating it with a sledgehammer, trying to prepare myself, not physically, but mentally.

01:14:05.000 You know, when you're in your, as you know, your quilt cover, five o'clock in the morning, you can hear us howling with wind, rain outside.

01:14:10.000 The last thing you want to do is go out and train, but I wouldn't have that option in Mongolia.

01:14:15.000 So again, you know, that's saying, by putting yourself in more uncomfortable scenarios, the more comfortable you become.

01:14:22.000 I was just trying to do that.

01:14:24.000 So did you develop some sort of a workout program?

01:14:26.000 I did.

01:14:27.000 Like you have to stick to a specific routine?

01:14:29.000 What was your routine?

01:14:29.000 My routine was just full-on calisthenics.

01:14:33.000 With the Mongolia, I was training for two, three hours a day, five days a week. 0.97

01:14:38.000 I think actually on the Instagram, the highlights, there's a section fitness with a few different clips.

01:14:44.000 And it's, yeah, push-ups, sit-ups, pull-up, flipping the tractor tire, sledgehammer work.

01:14:51.000 I was working on ticking off all components like flexibility, agility, balance, speed, reaction time, coordination.

01:14:58.000 And I knew that my inner core was going to be crucial because pulling the trailer, if you come over a stone, literally your hips are being pulled left and right.

01:15:08.000 So you need to be agile enough to be able to, you know, push on through that.

01:15:12.000 That's interesting about the core.

01:15:13.000 I didn't think of it that way.

01:15:15.000 Yeah, the core was vital.

01:15:16.000 All of these sort of pull-ups really helped as well.

01:15:19.000 Did you have someone coordinating this with you?

01:15:22.000 Did you get some advice from a physiologist or a personal trainer?

01:15:26.000 I didn't know.

01:15:27.000 I'm sort of just self-taught.

01:15:29.000 I watched some clips on YouTube.

01:15:30.000 A lot of it through trial and error.

01:15:32.000 I was training since 13, 14. It based a lot around calisthenics.

01:15:39.000 And the martial arts help as well.

01:15:41.000 I took a lot from the Muay Thai and still implemented that into the training regime.

01:15:46.000 I love it.

01:15:47.000 Body movement.

01:15:48.000 It fascinates me.

01:15:49.000 I love the training.

01:15:50.000 I get super ratty as well if I don't train.

01:15:53.000 Even training today in LA went over to the pier.

01:15:56.000 Got some rings there.

01:15:57.000 I was straight there.

01:15:58.000 Lost a lot of weight, so I'm trying to put some weight back on me as well.

01:16:03.000 I love it.

01:16:04.000 And the fitness is a crucial part.

01:16:05.000 Without the fitness, there's no way I would have made these expeditions.

01:16:09.000 I can only imagine.

01:16:10.000 Just seeing you pull that sled, I'm like, God, that looks like hell.

01:16:13.000 And the fact that you're doing it 100 yards, rest for 5 minutes, 100 yards.

01:16:16.000 I mean, just amazing that your body didn't break down just from overexertion.

01:16:20.000 Amazing what the human body's capable of in general, isn't it?

01:16:23.000 And I had huge fears and massive doubts before this expedition.

01:16:26.000 And that's sort of my message out to everyone is, you know, you're far more capable than you think.

01:16:33.000 You always see little doubts into your mind, don't you?

01:16:35.000 And that's what I was doing until Mongolia.

01:16:37.000 I was like, you know, don't have your fear.

01:16:39.000 I think fear is healthy.

01:16:40.000 But doubt can be toxic, can't it?

01:16:43.000 Did you get tested for rhabdo? 0.97

01:16:44.000 If your piss is that color...

01:16:47.000 I think I did when I got back I was slightly worried Just my organ the what I was feeling with my organs almost like they were drying up Just needed to check that everything was still functioning fine and everything was good The body recovers fast and I was only 24 I guess then 23 what what how much weight did you lose by the end of that?

01:17:06.000 So that was 78 days and I lost 13 kilograms in 78 days That's what we were talking about earlier, so it's like 30-ish pounds.

01:17:15.000 Yeah, so I lost 13 kilograms as well with Mission Yangtze, but that spread over a year.

01:17:19.000 So that was like very concentrated, lost a lot.

01:17:21.000 I was having a ration pack at 5.30 in the morning.

01:17:24.000 This was two weeks of the Gobi Desert, or a week and a half, where I'd wake up at 5, and have a ration pack at 5.30, and I'd go a whole 14 hours before I had my next ration pack at about 7.30.

01:17:36.000 No food.

01:17:37.000 And burning insane amount of calories.

01:17:39.000 Yeah.

01:17:40.000 How many calories do you need a day just sitting?

01:17:42.000 Depends upon your body weight.

01:17:44.000 If you're doing nothing, if you're just in it, you know?

01:17:46.000 Yeah, probably close to 2,000.

01:17:48.000 Isn't it?

01:17:49.000 It depends, though, on your body weight.

01:17:51.000 If you're just sitting around, obviously it'd be less than someone who's moving around, but everybody's varies.

01:17:56.000 That's a crazy thing to do, to slowly starve yourself while you're pulling a sled.

01:18:02.000 Yeah.

01:18:03.000 Peanut butter, cheese on toast was in my mind the whole time.

01:18:07.000 I'm sure anything, just get it in there, man.

01:18:11.000 Yeah, but you know the guys when I rocked up to that community, super friendly, really looked after me.

01:18:16.000 Oh, that's nice.

01:18:16.000 Yeah.

01:18:17.000 And you didn't speak their language?

01:18:18.000 I didn't speak their language.

01:18:20.000 You know, one funny story actually, in the Altai mountains, it was a Kazakh family, so I'd always try to eat and rest up with them where I could.

01:18:26.000 It was a Kazakh family in their sort of hut in the middle of the Altai, rocked up 45 minutes inside, sipping on their chai, their tea.

01:18:33.000 Eating whatever they gave me.

01:18:35.000 Towards the end, I was like, right, it's been 40, 45 minutes, I need to make a move now.

01:18:39.000 And just as I was about to say that, I looked at the guy, the man of the heart.

01:18:42.000 It was a man and his wife, a girl.

01:18:45.000 He was looking at me very weird.

01:18:46.000 Eyes slightly squinted, slightly closed, like he's thinking of something.

01:18:51.000 He looks over to his wife or his girlfriend, and he looks back to me, looks back at his wife, and then all of a sudden, right there and then, in hand gestures, offered me.

01:19:01.000 Offered me his wife. 0.81

01:19:02.000 Whoa.

01:19:03.000 Right there, like that sort of ancient.

01:19:05.000 Does he do this?

01:19:06.000 No, he just pointed.

01:19:08.000 When you say hand gestures, just point.

01:19:09.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:19:09.000 He pointed to the bed and then pointed at us and then, I didn't know what to do, you know.

01:19:13.000 Whoa.

01:19:14.000 I was like, whoa, you know.

01:19:15.000 Shot?

01:19:16.000 No, not really, no.

01:19:18.000 I was trying to get rid of her. 0.96

01:19:19.000 That's it.

01:19:20.000 She's yours now, bro.

01:19:21.000 It was awkward silence for about 10, 15 seconds.

01:19:24.000 We were all exchanging looks.

01:19:25.000 She was looking at me.

01:19:25.000 I was looking.

01:19:26.000 I just put on a fake laugh.

01:19:28.000 A couple of seconds later, he laughed with me and I made a swift exit. 0.95

01:19:31.000 She continued breastfeeding a child. 1.00

01:19:33.000 So she was breastfeeding while he wanted you to take a piece? 1.00

01:19:37.000 Yeah.

01:19:37.000 Woo!

01:19:38.000 And I was like, is it one of those things that this actually happened or will I leave and they're having a big joke right now and they're laughing away at the fact that, you know, you just never know, do you?

01:19:48.000 I'm going to guess if they live in tents in the middle of nowhere and there's five tents and it takes forever to get there, those people are probably freaks. 0.96

01:19:57.000 They're probably doing some weird freak shit. 0.99

01:19:59.000 They probably have no attachment whatsoever to sexuality. 0.99

01:20:02.000 Or maybe it's like, you're here, don't you?

01:20:04.000 To be really hospitable.

01:20:05.000 That's super hospitable, you know?

01:20:07.000 But you do hear old school exploration.

01:20:10.000 I've heard it before, but I didn't think in this generation, this day and age, that'd still be going on.

01:20:15.000 Well, they probably live in like old school Mongolians did. 1.00

01:20:18.000 They're just a little wild sexually.

01:20:21.000 Yeah, in the far west.

01:20:22.000 So that was a Kazakh family.

01:20:23.000 So they would have come over the border, which is like...

01:20:27.000 So this was in Kazakhstan?

01:20:30.000 This was West Mongolia, but there's a heavy population of Kazakh.

01:20:33.000 They're the ones that actually hunt, you know, the eagles, riding their horse.

01:20:36.000 They've got the eagle perched on their hands, foxes, wolves.

01:20:40.000 So how different do they look?

01:20:42.000 Kazakh is more of an area that's closer to what?

01:20:47.000 So Kazakh is right on the border. 0.98

01:20:50.000 So you've got Mongolia sandwiched between Russia up north, China down south.

01:20:55.000 Because just the name Kazakh sounds Russian.

01:20:57.000 Yeah, and then directly on the west, you've got Kazakhstan.

01:21:01.000 Ah, okay.

01:21:02.000 But yeah, I think that's the first largest landlocked country in the world.

01:21:07.000 Mongolia is the second largest landlocked country in the world.

01:21:10.000 Dude, and you're walking through this.

01:21:12.000 Yeah, walking.

01:21:13.000 That is so gangster.

01:21:14.000 And that was my first trip there as well, so I didn't have the money to do a recce like I did with China and Madagascar.

01:21:20.000 I'd never been to the country.

01:21:21.000 I'd rock up with the trailer.

01:21:23.000 When you show up at someone's tent, do you offer them something for food?

01:21:27.000 Like, how do you work that out?

01:21:29.000 I had a piece of paper translated.

01:21:31.000 It described who I was, what I was doing, why I'm here.

01:21:35.000 And you're hoping they can read?

01:21:36.000 Yeah, that's it.

01:21:38.000 And some, you're right, some couldn't.

01:21:40.000 But again, you know, you see a guy looking a mess, you know, big beard down, looking in pain, looking hungry, looking skinny.

01:21:48.000 You pretty much know straight away you need shelter, food, water.

01:21:51.000 So they did every time and they were so friendly.

01:21:54.000 So you were counting on people being nice to you.

01:21:56.000 That's amazing.

01:21:57.000 Yeah, and that's all I've ever done, you know.

01:21:59.000 At the human rate, I love it.

01:22:01.000 I love people.

01:22:01.000 They're just so, so friendly, so hospitable.

01:22:04.000 Even the UK. Cycling the UK is when I was 20. I was raising funds for the NSPCC. It was illegal sometimes to camp in a city.

01:22:11.000 So I'd go on knocking someone's door.

01:22:13.000 Knock, knock, knock. 0.85

01:22:14.000 Do you mind if I set up my tent in your front garden or back garden, please?

01:22:18.000 Wow.

01:22:18.000 Only had the door slammed on me once.

01:22:20.000 He was an old guy, probably for a friend.

01:22:22.000 He just looked at me.

01:22:23.000 Slam. 0.98

01:22:24.000 Went back inside.

01:22:25.000 Archie Bunker.

01:22:27.000 For some families, yeah, they were fine.

01:22:29.000 That's amazing.

01:22:31.000 But did you have any funds?

01:22:34.000 Could you give them money for food if they weren't willing to give it to you for free?

01:22:38.000 Yeah, what did I take?

01:22:39.000 So I took paper and pens for education purposes.

01:22:43.000 If you can give their child paper, pens, the kids would just be playing with that.

01:22:50.000 So you had a barter thing going on?

01:22:52.000 Yeah, almost, but sometimes they just wouldn't accept it.

01:22:54.000 They just plainly, simply, like, no.

01:22:56.000 I had that a lot in China as well.

01:22:59.000 But you didn't have any money.

01:23:01.000 Did I have cash?

01:23:02.000 Yeah, I had cash with me.

01:23:04.000 But you never offered anybody any money for food?

01:23:06.000 No, did I? No.

01:23:08.000 Yeah, no, maybe I did.

01:23:09.000 Maybe I did.

01:23:10.000 Yeah, but they would just, again, they wouldn't accept it.

01:23:12.000 Wow.

01:23:13.000 Especially if I was sleeping the night, I would 100% I'd take it and they'd be like, no, no, they'd stuff it down my trailer.

01:23:19.000 Really?

01:23:20.000 Yeah.

01:23:20.000 And then I learned, that was it.

01:23:21.000 Then I learned that it was offensive to offer them money.

01:23:26.000 Because you're in their environment and they know for themselves.

01:23:29.000 If they see, I had a guy once run me down on a horseback from the distance coming at me at speed and it was all just to give me a bottle to take away with tea inside.

01:23:40.000 So I'd try again, try not off that.

01:23:41.000 It's like, you came at distance, I've been watching you for 10 minutes.

01:23:43.000 Coming from a distance, from a distance, little girl, just to give me hot water tea.

01:23:49.000 So yes, I learned that it was offensive to give them money.

01:23:52.000 It's almost saying that I'm better than you, I have money, you don't, but they're rich in life.

01:23:56.000 They've got all of the livestock, the products they want to be given, and you're in their harsh environment.

01:24:00.000 So I was like, wow, that's cool.

01:24:03.000 So that's why I stuck to the paper and pens.

01:24:05.000 Wow.

01:24:06.000 What a life-changing experience that must have been.

01:24:09.000 Walking through a place where you don't know any language at all, meeting these people and having them take you in and feed you.

01:24:17.000 It was incredible.

01:24:19.000 Did it renew your faith in people at all?

01:24:21.000 What's that?

01:24:21.000 Did it renew your faith in people?

01:24:23.000 It did, you know, I've never...

01:24:24.000 Or enhanced, I should say.

01:24:25.000 Yeah, enhanced, I would say.

01:24:26.000 It enhanced, yeah.

01:24:28.000 Everywhere I've...

01:24:29.000 All of the different countries and the travels that I've done, the people have just been absolutely amazing.

01:24:34.000 And I'm always trying to give back in return.

01:24:36.000 Sometimes they'll take it, which makes me happy.

01:24:38.000 Sometimes they're just not interested and they're like, no, I don't want any money.

01:24:42.000 In China, there was one that gave me loads of food.

01:24:45.000 They gave me accommodation.

01:24:47.000 They then gave me breakfast.

01:24:49.000 They gave me three days' worth of food to take away with me along the Yangtze.

01:24:53.000 And they just wouldn't accept my money, wouldn't accept anything.

01:24:56.000 Then I'm like, no, you know, all the best.

01:24:58.000 Wow.

01:24:59.000 Incredible.

01:25:00.000 Madagascar was a little bit different.

01:25:02.000 Madagascar was a beautiful country, but down south it's very impoverished.

01:25:07.000 People suffering with malnutrition.

01:25:09.000 Malaria is big out there because I caught malaria, almost died from it.

01:25:12.000 You caught malaria?

01:25:13.000 I caught malaria, yeah.

01:25:14.000 So you weren't on malaria medication either?

01:25:16.000 Yeah, I was on malaria medication.

01:25:18.000 I came across a community that had the suffering with bubonic plague, such an ancient disease.

01:25:25.000 And they pretty much said, I had two guides with me at this time, so they were able to translate.

01:25:29.000 They pretty much said, stay in your tent.

01:25:31.000 You know, we've had relatives die.

01:25:32.000 We've got the suffering with the plague here.

01:25:34.000 That instantly made me feel unnerving, on edge, you know.

01:25:37.000 There's rats and dogs running around.

01:25:38.000 You're like, go away, go away.

01:25:40.000 Zipped in.

01:25:41.000 So they would do the cooking and they bought me this eel.

01:25:44.000 Smelled a little bit funky, but we were hungry.

01:25:46.000 Me and my two guys, we eat the eel.

01:25:48.000 And for the next few days, we were suffering with diarrhea.

01:25:52.000 And I believe that the anti-malarial pills, they only cover you up to 80% anyway.

01:25:56.000 It was going in one way, out of the other.

01:25:58.000 And I didn't have the full 80% protecting me from the strain of malaria.

01:26:03.000 I caught malaria.

01:26:05.000 And it threw me back to the Gobi Desert, to the symptoms and signs I was suffering with.

01:26:09.000 I felt like I was just Suffering with dehydration.

01:26:13.000 And I was getting weaker and weaker.

01:26:16.000 I was losing a lot of weight.

01:26:17.000 I was vomiting.

01:26:18.000 And it got to a point where days went by that I was like, this isn't dehydration.

01:26:23.000 This is a disease.

01:26:24.000 I'm suffering with something bad.

01:26:25.000 I pushed on, made it to a community that I knew had, Overland Transport.

01:26:29.000 How far did you walk with malaria?

01:26:31.000 I think I probably walked four days or so with malaria. 1.00

01:26:34.000 Holy shit! 0.99

01:26:37.000 Yeah, it was brutal. 1.00

01:26:39.000 But at that time, I had no idea, right?

01:26:43.000 So I'm like, I'm dehydrated.

01:26:44.000 So I was just drinking, drinking, thinking I'm going to get better soon.

01:26:46.000 Made it to the community, arrived at one of the nearest hospitals, and she said you potentially made it in time, potentially a few hours before you slipped into a coma.

01:26:55.000 And that's when I realised, and then it was the deadliest strain of malaria.

01:26:58.000 So you've got four different strains of malaria.

01:27:01.000 You've got the deadliest and it usually kills you within 24 hours.

01:27:04.000 But I believe I lasted five days because I was taking the anti-malarials. 1.00

01:27:07.000 And then that one you can eradicate fully out of your system.

01:27:11.000 Now, when you're on the anti-malaria medication and you're shitting yourself so it doesn't stay in your system, are you taking more of it when you think you have it?

01:27:19.000 No, I wasn't.

01:27:20.000 I was scared to as well overdose because you don't know how much is still in your system.

01:27:26.000 So you can't just be taking it.

01:27:27.000 How much are you allowed to take of it?

01:27:29.000 One pill a day, it was.

01:27:31.000 See, that's what Justin Wren was saying, that he experienced toxicity because he was taking five pills a day.

01:27:37.000 Remember when Justin was talking about that?

01:27:41.000 Yeah, we actually researched that there's been problems with some troops that get on that anti-malaria medication and they get really sick from it.

01:27:51.000 Doesn't it do something to your brain?

01:27:53.000 Yeah, I think that's the malarone that you're talking about.

01:27:55.000 That's like a strong dose, isn't it?

01:27:57.000 What stuff were you on?

01:27:58.000 I was on Doxycycline.

01:28:01.000 It says 80%.

01:28:02.000 I think the Marilone.

01:28:04.000 How do I say it?

01:28:06.000 Marilone.

01:28:07.000 Marilone.

01:28:08.000 Marilone.

01:28:08.000 Covers you about 100%, I think.

01:28:11.000 My dad was on that one.

01:28:12.000 Did I say it?

01:28:13.000 Mephloquin.

01:28:14.000 Mephloquin.

01:28:15.000 That's right.

01:28:15.000 Oh, so that's a different one there.

01:28:16.000 That's right.

01:28:16.000 So what's this?

01:28:17.000 A stronger strain?

01:28:19.000 I don't know, but he was on it and he's gotten it.

01:28:21.000 Justin, he runs a charity called Fight for the Forgotten.

01:28:25.000 They build wells for the pygmies. 1.00

01:28:27.000 He's gotten it three times.

01:28:29.000 Whoa.

01:28:30.000 And what strain is that?

01:28:31.000 Maybe it wasn't the one.

01:28:33.000 Yeah, that was it, man.

01:28:34.000 Was it?

01:28:34.000 Yeah, that was it.

01:28:36.000 Yeah, I remember him talking about it.

01:28:37.000 Because the three lower strains, you can actually remain dormant in your system.

01:28:40.000 That's what they said with him.

01:28:42.000 He got it again after he had it.

01:28:44.000 Malaria drug causes brain damage that mimics PTSD. Fucking A. Malaria drug. 0.99

01:28:52.000 The drug. 1.00

01:28:52.000 The drug! 1.00

01:28:54.000 That's insane. 1.00

01:28:55.000 Not even just the malaria, which will fucking kill you. 0.99

01:28:57.000 Yeah, I've heard of that before. 0.98

01:28:57.000 Yeah, I have heard of that before. 0.98

01:28:59.000 So I pointed up with Malaria No More UK after that. 0.87

01:29:03.000 Because once I'd contracted it, I was the lucky one to survive.

01:29:06.000 And then as I pushed on, I still had four months to go.

01:29:09.000 I got it in month one of a five-month journey to walk.

01:29:12.000 Dude.

01:29:13.000 To walk south to north of Madagascar, somewhere to the eight highest mountains along the way.

01:29:18.000 So it took 155 days, this journey did.

01:29:21.000 And it was 1,600 miles, slightly bigger than the Mongolia journey.

01:29:25.000 And a lot of it was just machete in hand, hacking through the jungle.

01:29:29.000 Leeches dropping down, spider bites, hunting, gathering.

01:29:32.000 You were hunting and gathering out there too?

01:29:34.000 Yeah, in the jungle, yeah.

01:29:35.000 How do you know what you can gather?

01:29:37.000 The local.

01:29:37.000 So, I have no military background at all doing this, which is usually strange.

01:29:41.000 It's normally a military background to come in to do the survival, but everything that I've learned, I've tried to...

01:29:46.000 I get as much knowledge as I possibly can from the locals.

01:29:50.000 So like the Myanmar Hill community, Mongolia, how they survive, Madagascar, what's edible, what isn't edible, how to build rafts, etc.

01:30:00.000 So I always try to take a small percent.

01:30:02.000 And that's what you can ever take because they're so knowledgeable when it comes to what they can eat, what they can gather, what they can't.

01:30:08.000 You know, it's a lifetime, isn't it?

01:30:09.000 So I just had to try to pick up as much as I could in a short space of time.

01:30:13.000 But again, I was learning as we went.

01:30:15.000 We were, yeah, doing some hunting, doing some gathering, but we were losing weight.

01:30:22.000 There was three or four weeks of jungle territory further up north of the island, and we had a photographer join us for that one.

01:30:30.000 And it got to a point where they just hated it.

01:30:33.000 I did too.

01:30:34.000 It was the cyclone season.

01:30:36.000 We were covering.

01:30:36.000 We were walking about 14 hours a day and we would cover maybe three miles if we were lucky.

01:30:43.000 Just hacking through a sheer dense jungle up and down mountains.

01:30:48.000 One day we had to turn around and do a U-turn and walk three days back on ourself to find a different way up the mountain.

01:30:54.000 No!

01:30:55.000 It puts it into perspective now when you do a U-turn in a car.

01:30:57.000 I'm like, right, it's just a U-turn.

01:30:59.000 Yeah, three days.

01:31:01.000 Now when you say gathering, you mean like stuff to eat?

01:31:04.000 Stuff to eat.

01:31:05.000 So how do you know what you can eat and what's not going to kill you?

01:31:09.000 Again, we had the local guides there.

01:31:11.000 So I had a local guide, Max, who was nails proper, Bushman.

01:31:15.000 We were collecting chilies.

01:31:16.000 That's such a great English statement, nails proper.

01:31:20.000 Snails proper Bushmen. 0.98

01:31:22.000 You said that in America. 1.00

01:31:23.000 What the fuck did you just say, man? 1.00

01:31:25.000 Nails proper Bushmen? 1.00

01:31:27.000 What the fuck does that even mean? 0.98

01:31:28.000 Nails proper Bushmen. 0.98

01:31:29.000 What kind of stuff did you guys gather?

01:31:31.000 What did you eat?

01:31:32.000 A lot of fruit.

01:31:33.000 A lot of plant-based coconuts.

01:31:36.000 Mangoes.

01:31:37.000 Oh, we got excited.

01:31:38.000 Oh, so you see wild mango trees.

01:31:39.000 Wild.

01:31:40.000 Yeah, we just scramble on up there, throw them down.

01:31:43.000 Tenrec, the little rodents, kind of like hedgehogs without the spikes.

01:31:46.000 They burrow underneath trees.

01:31:48.000 I see it.

01:31:48.000 Took a shelter with us.

01:31:49.000 There you.

01:31:50.000 Look at that.

01:31:50.000 And there's Max there.

01:31:51.000 That's wild, man.

01:31:52.000 Making this little campfire.

01:31:54.000 Yeah.

01:31:55.000 Cooking under the shelter.

01:31:56.000 So that was the shelter that you used most of the time?

01:31:58.000 Yeah.

01:31:59.000 So you slashed it down the trees?

01:32:00.000 We did have a tent as well, but yeah, depending on the weather, we just get this one out.

01:32:05.000 You're sleeping with a lot of creepy coolies and whatnot, but nothing really venomous in Madagascar. 1.00

01:32:09.000 Are you sure?

01:32:10.000 Got the boa constricted, a snake, but again...

01:32:13.000 You have a machete, right? 1.00

01:32:14.000 Did you keep that bitch gripped in your hand? 1.00

01:32:16.000 Got a machete everywhere that I went. 1.00

01:32:18.000 Yeah, we got lost a lot of the time.

01:32:20.000 There's a photo of me and Max trying to find our way.

01:32:23.000 The team just got demotivated.

01:32:26.000 They just didn't have it in them.

01:32:27.000 I was the same.

01:32:28.000 There's me all broken there with blood.

01:32:30.000 Got the leech bite.

01:32:31.000 But again, like with anything, you know, I think no matter what you do, you can't always be motivated in life.

01:32:35.000 Right.

01:32:35.000 But you can be disciplined.

01:32:36.000 And that was the difference.

01:32:38.000 We stayed disciplined and we focused on the little steps.

01:32:40.000 50 meters, rest.

01:32:42.000 50 meters and rest.

01:32:43.000 I bet nobody appreciates a comfortable bed like you.

01:32:46.000 Oh, man.

01:32:47.000 There are.

01:32:49.000 And everything's so convenient.

01:32:50.000 I get back home, I switch the kettle on, I can take a shower, I can do whatever.

01:32:54.000 It's going to toast, push it down, it's going to pop up when it's done.

01:32:58.000 When you're out there, you've got to stay alert, you've got to stay focused.

01:33:02.000 Attention to the smaller details, but back at home, everything's just so...

01:33:05.000 And you do appreciate it more.

01:33:07.000 You get back and it's like, whoa, we don't know how comfortable we actually have it.

01:33:10.000 Your gratitude for that stuff must be off the charts.

01:33:14.000 Yeah.

01:33:15.000 Just from those experiences.

01:33:16.000 Yeah, but I do suffer as well sometimes.

01:33:18.000 I take it for granted.

01:33:19.000 After a few months of being back.

01:33:20.000 You get used to it?

01:33:21.000 Yeah, I have to throw myself back to the Malagasy jungle and be like, look, look. 1.00

01:33:25.000 Yeah, you get soft.

01:33:26.000 It could be worse.

01:33:28.000 So how many all told of these crazy journeys have you been on?

01:33:33.000 Whoa, over the past decade now.

01:33:36.000 So the three big ones, of course, the Mongolia, Madagascar, and the biggest one, the most ambitious, was Mission Yangtze.

01:33:43.000 I wanted to see a photo of the Yangtze River.

01:33:46.000 You were talking about how beautiful it is.

01:33:47.000 Yeah, I think on the Insta highlights, you've got 2019, it starts with.

01:33:53.000 But you can see it goes right from west, goes down south, curls back up, and ends near Shanghai.

01:33:59.000 So there's these three big giant ones, but then there's some other ones?

01:34:03.000 Yeah, so there's the Vietnam-Cambodia cycle. 0.81

01:34:06.000 There's trekking the Himalayas, which was a scary one because we wanted to trek the Himalayas.

01:34:09.000 They said that we needed to buy a permit, but we didn't believe that we did.

01:34:12.000 It was like a way to get money out of it.

01:34:14.000 We were shoestring budget travellers.

01:34:17.000 And we were like, nah, we can do this.

01:34:18.000 Let's go.

01:34:19.000 It got worse.

01:34:20.000 It got to a point where it was like, you know, you can't go.

01:34:23.000 The Pakistan army roamed the border of Indian Himalayas and Pakistan Himalayas.

01:34:28.000 He said, go on your knees if you come across the Pakistan army, put your thumbs behind your ears and say Allah Harigbe repeatedly.

01:34:35.000 And that sort of means Allah have mercy on me.

01:34:38.000 So it was at that point we were like, should we trek the Himalayas?

01:34:40.000 So we almost failed with that one.

01:34:42.000 Yeah, it was insane.

01:34:44.000 So they taught you how to beg for mercy?

01:34:46.000 If we came across the military.

01:34:49.000 It's that much of an issue.

01:34:50.000 I thought that was his way of trying to scare us, to get us to pay for a permit that we didn't need.

01:34:55.000 How much was a permit?

01:34:56.000 I have no idea.

01:34:57.000 I should know this.

01:34:58.000 If it was reasonable, I would say.

01:35:00.000 Probably, yeah.

01:35:02.000 We were such budget.

01:35:04.000 It was crazy.

01:35:05.000 That's so crazy.

01:35:06.000 You've got little hammock shops in Vietnam as we were cycling.

01:35:11.000 Sometimes we'd sleep in the hammock shop.

01:35:12.000 It would cost you about 20 cents for the night.

01:35:15.000 In a hammock shop.

01:35:16.000 In a hammock shop.

01:35:17.000 So that you test the hammocks.

01:35:18.000 Yeah.

01:35:18.000 That's a good deal.

01:35:20.000 Great that.

01:35:20.000 Hey, yeah.

01:35:21.000 Good sleep.

01:35:22.000 It's not a hotel.

01:35:23.000 You don't have your toilets.

01:35:24.000 You don't have any of that.

01:35:25.000 So hammocks, if you're in a real woody area, that seems like not a bad option, right?

01:35:30.000 Yeah.

01:35:31.000 Did you get one?

01:35:32.000 No, we were only stuck to the hammock shops because we were on a bicycle.

01:35:35.000 So we were on roads.

01:35:36.000 So that wasn't necessarily...

01:35:38.000 How much does a hammock weigh?

01:35:39.000 Oh, you can get super light ones.

01:35:41.000 No, you can probably get one for a kilogram, maybe even...

01:35:43.000 Yeah, around a kilogram, I'd say.

01:35:45.000 Maybe even lighter. 0.94

01:35:46.000 Goddamn, that would be a great way. 0.95

01:35:47.000 As long as there's enough trees. 0.98

01:35:49.000 What a great way. 0.97

01:35:50.000 Yeah, you're screwed in the Gobi Desert, aren't you? 0.98

01:35:53.000 You're taken away off the ground with all the creepy crawlies. 0.98

01:35:55.000 Yeah.

01:35:56.000 Yeah, for sure.

01:35:57.000 Did you get stung by any creepy crawlies?

01:35:58.000 I did.

01:36:00.000 Spiders?

01:36:00.000 Spiders.

01:36:01.000 So when you're hacking through the jungle, you've got the jungle canopy.

01:36:04.000 And the leeches, believe it or not.

01:36:06.000 Oh! 0.60

01:36:07.000 What is that?

01:36:07.000 It's a spider bite.

01:36:08.000 Fuck, man. 1.00

01:36:09.000 How do you know that that's okay? 1.00

01:36:11.000 When it's happening, are you worried?

01:36:13.000 I didn't feel it, you know, when it happened, because as you're hacking through the jungle, you've got loads of bamboo shorts, and they all razor sharp, and they're stabbing you.

01:36:22.000 You've got leeches at the nighttime.

01:36:23.000 You take your top off, and you've got to apply six, seven leeches off your body, flick them at the tent.

01:36:28.000 You've got this bite which infected.

01:36:30.000 There's a lot of aloe vera plants around that area, though, so you can just rip off the aloe vera.

01:36:34.000 Yeah, that looks really infected.

01:36:36.000 It looks like you got lit up.

01:36:37.000 If you click on that photo with me standing on the rock...

01:36:40.000 With the dragon?

01:36:41.000 Can you notice anything weird about that image?

01:36:46.000 You got a bird on your back?

01:36:48.000 Gertrude.

01:36:49.000 Who's Gertrude? 0.99

01:36:49.000 Gertrude the chicken. 0.99

01:36:51.000 So in order to summit the highest mountain in Madagascar...

01:36:54.000 You gotta bring a chicken?

01:36:55.000 It's tradition.

01:36:57.000 You must take yourself a white cockerel, protect it, keep it alive, and it protects you from the bad spirits and witches of the rainforests, the locals say.

01:37:06.000 So I'm all about respecting the local culture, of course.

01:37:09.000 So you have to bring a chicken?

01:37:10.000 I took a chicken.

01:37:11.000 How long are you carrying this chicken around?

01:37:13.000 How many days?

01:37:14.000 Two and a half weeks.

01:37:16.000 Two and a half weeks.

01:37:18.000 Oh my god, that's so crazy.

01:37:20.000 So you have to feed the chicken? 1.00

01:37:21.000 You have to let it shit? 1.00

01:37:22.000 Yeah, shat all in my bag, shat all over my tent. 1.00

01:37:25.000 It would sleep on top of my tent. 0.99

01:37:26.000 It wouldn't leave me.

01:37:27.000 It became domesticated like a little dog.

01:37:29.000 He became your buddy.

01:37:30.000 Yeah, just followed me around everywhere.

01:37:32.000 Oh my God.

01:37:33.000 Two and a half weeks, chirping in my ear, praying for a little bit of rain, because when it started raining, he would tuck himself inside the bag.

01:37:39.000 He wouldn't make noises.

01:37:40.000 But can you imagine, 14 hours, you've got this chirping chicken on your shoulder.

01:37:43.000 Now, is he just perched on your shoulder, or do you have him strapped down?

01:37:46.000 He's in the top compartment on the bag.

01:37:48.000 So you have him strapped in.

01:37:49.000 So he can't get away.

01:37:51.000 Yeah, he can't really get away. 0.99

01:37:52.000 Oh, so he's like, what in the fuck is going on? 0.99

01:37:54.000 Yeah, going through the jungle. 0.99

01:37:56.000 So that's why we let him out a lot of the time.

01:37:57.000 He'd just be running, trailing behind us.

01:37:59.000 Wow.

01:38:00.000 It was great.

01:38:00.000 And you've got to leave him on top of that mountain.

01:38:02.000 So that was his freedom day. 0.98

01:38:03.000 That is so ridiculous. 0.99

01:38:04.000 He's just hanging around with you. 0.99

01:38:06.000 Yeah, that was a couple of days in.

01:38:06.000 Did you have video of this chicken hanging around with you?

01:38:09.000 Do I? I don't.

01:38:10.000 Like I do, but I don't know if it's on my Instagram.

01:38:13.000 That is hilarious.

01:38:14.000 But yeah, I got lots of footage.

01:38:15.000 You and your boy are just chilling with a chicken.

01:38:17.000 There we go.

01:38:18.000 By the way, that guy has like woman's dress shoes from the 1950s on.

01:38:22.000 Yeah.

01:38:22.000 What are those shoes?

01:38:23.000 Man, sometimes he'd walk barefoot and it was only when I said you've literally missed a scorpion by a foot.

01:38:28.000 Those sandals look like a five-year-old girl would wear. 0.99

01:38:31.000 Yeah, they are.

01:38:32.000 Right?

01:38:33.000 Yeah.

01:38:34.000 Yeah.

01:38:34.000 It's hilarious.

01:38:35.000 And that was the Nails Bushman. 0.99

01:38:38.000 Look, he doesn't give a fuck what those things look like. 0.99

01:38:41.000 He's just there to hike. 1.00

01:38:42.000 That is a crazy fucking chicken, man. 1.00

01:38:45.000 That whole thing, that's so strange. 1.00

01:38:47.000 At the end of it, did you eat it?

01:38:49.000 No, so we have to set him free on top of it.

01:38:51.000 We can't even take him back down, so I was hoping he'd follow us down, you know, built a bit of a bond with a flaming chicken, you know?

01:38:57.000 Right.

01:38:57.000 But we couldn't eat him either, because they say that the bad spirits then go outside.

01:39:00.000 Yeah, it seems like a bad idea if you eat him.

01:39:02.000 Yeah.

01:39:02.000 He's your pet.

01:39:03.000 No barbecue sauce either, you know?

01:39:04.000 He's your pet.

01:39:05.000 Yeah.

01:39:05.000 Unless you were starving, right?

01:39:06.000 What would you do if you were stuck and you were starving?

01:39:08.000 We would have no choice, would we?

01:39:10.000 Yeah, we'd have no choice.

01:39:12.000 Survival first.

01:39:13.000 But then you would be worried about the spirits.

01:39:15.000 Exactly, yeah.

01:39:16.000 And if we took him down to a community, that community would apparently flip on us, you know?

01:39:20.000 Oh, really?

01:39:21.000 Because we'd be introducing the witches and the bad spirits.

01:39:24.000 Witches?

01:39:24.000 Yeah, they believe in witches.

01:39:26.000 Chickens carry witches with them? 1.00

01:39:27.000 No, witches are scared of white chickens. 1.00

01:39:30.000 Oh. 0.91

01:39:30.000 So that's why we needed Gertrude. 0.91

01:39:32.000 That is hilarious.

01:39:34.000 They believe in witches.

01:39:35.000 Witches, yeah, yeah.

01:39:37.000 What do they think witches are? 1.00

01:39:39.000 They got some mad stories as well.

01:39:40.000 So Max, my guide, he said, so my take on it is we were in the middle of this community, deep in the jungle, high up in the mountains, in the middle of Madagascar, you know, the fourth largest island in the world.

01:39:52.000 And we came across a community, and they allowed us to stay in their little wooden shack sort of hut.

01:39:58.000 And I woke up about two o'clock in the morning, let's say, I don't know what time, two o'clock in the morning, and it's Max coming in.

01:40:04.000 He should have been sleeping right next to us.

01:40:06.000 It was Max, my photographer, me, and Lever, and the chicken next to Max, Gertrude.

01:40:10.000 And he came in with this machete.

01:40:12.000 I was like, you all right?

01:40:12.000 He's like, yeah, yeah, good.

01:40:13.000 Anyway, his story is that me, Lever, and Suzanne were all convulsing in our sleep, all shaking.

01:40:20.000 And then he looks up to the door and the silhouette of this lady was stood on the outside from the moon, stood on the outside of the door, peering in. 0.89

01:40:28.000 And he shouted like, Oi!

01:40:30.000 You know, get away in Malagasy. 0.99

01:40:32.000 Anyway, he was freaked out.

01:40:33.000 We were all three still cursed.

01:40:34.000 I have no, I don't remember any of this.

01:40:36.000 And I was thinking, no, come on, you've got to be lying.

01:40:38.000 He takes the machete and then he chases this witch-like figure into the jungle, runs about 100 metres. 0.90

01:40:44.000 When she enters the jungle, boom, she disappears. 0.99

01:40:47.000 And then when he walks back to the hut, he said, you'd stopped convulsing.

01:40:51.000 You woke up, Ash, and asked if I was all right.

01:40:53.000 And I was like, no. 0.88

01:40:54.000 And I was like the only one that I felt, I was the only sane one there, saying, come on, that's got to be a load of rubbish, surely. 0.94

01:41:00.000 Like, weren't you sleepwalking? 0.96

01:41:02.000 Suffered with a night terror, maybe?

01:41:04.000 And he said, no, and the only reason that I wasn't convulsing is Gertrude was sleeping next to me.

01:41:10.000 So I was like, whoa.

01:41:12.000 Susanna, our photographer from Belgium, was just absolutely bricking herself then, you know.

01:41:16.000 She was like, what is going on?

01:41:18.000 Where are we?

01:41:18.000 So I said, we've got the Blair Witch Project on.

01:41:20.000 Yeah, so you're stuck in this tent now with people that are crazy.

01:41:23.000 You think the witches are peering into the...

01:41:26.000 You've got to be weirded out.

01:41:27.000 And they're all telling me their individual stories of their witch experiences as well.

01:41:31.000 Oh, great.

01:41:31.000 But they were very...

01:41:32.000 You know, there was a time with my two guides.

01:41:35.000 We had many crocodile rivers to cross.

01:41:39.000 Madagascar is full of crocodiles.

01:41:41.000 And sometimes they would ask the local community whether it's safe to cross.

01:41:47.000 And I would say, how do they know it's safe to cross?

01:41:50.000 And he replied once, well, they've made a deal with the crocodile.

01:41:52.000 I said, what do you mean they've made a deal with the crocodile?

01:41:55.000 It's like, yeah, you know, the crocodiles have promised that they won't eat the locals if the locals let them be and leave them alone.

01:42:02.000 So you're all going to cross that crocodile-infested river on the hope that some contract has been signed or some handshake, give me photo proof, you know?

01:42:09.000 They're like, yeah, I'm doing it.

01:42:10.000 I'm not doing it.

01:42:11.000 I'm building a raft.

01:42:12.000 I'm finding a different way, you know?

01:42:14.000 It's not even a raft.

01:42:16.000 Yeah.

01:42:16.000 Yeah, and we did it.

01:42:17.000 It took us four hours to construct the raft.

01:42:20.000 Yeah, just to get to the other side.

01:42:21.000 I never knew what I was in. 1.00

01:42:22.000 You must have been shit in your pants just looking down at that water. 1.00

01:42:25.000 Crocodiles, they target people. 1.00

01:42:26.000 They do.

01:42:27.000 There's always three ways to cross a river.

01:42:29.000 Cross where the locals suggest.

01:42:30.000 If there's no locals, cross where there's white water or rapids.

01:42:34.000 If there's not that either, then yeah, a raft is the final option.

01:42:36.000 There's a terrifying story about these explorers that were, I think they were on the Congo.

01:42:43.000 Mm-hmm.

01:42:44.000 And they were in kayaks, and the guy in front of them got attacked by a crocodile.

01:42:49.000 And the guy watched the crocodile come up, grab the guy, flip the kayak under, and then pull, pull, and then pop.

01:42:59.000 The kayak pops up without the dude in it.

01:43:01.000 Boom.

01:43:02.000 And then the guy's gone.

01:43:05.000 Scary, scary story.

01:43:06.000 So I reached up, snatched him out of the kayak, and then yanked him.

01:43:11.000 Ripped him off the rope. 0.99

01:43:13.000 Popped him out of the kayak, and the kayak pops up, and the guy's like, what in the fuck? 0.98

01:43:17.000 He's right behind him while this thing happened. 0.99

01:43:19.000 His boy just got eaten by a dinosaur.

01:43:25.000 You know, in a crazy muddy river right in the bottom. 1.00

01:43:27.000 I was like, fuck! 1.00

01:43:29.000 What do you do? 1.00

01:43:30.000 Get to shore, get the heck out of there.

01:43:32.000 Did you see them?

01:43:34.000 No, we were, again, super vigilant.

01:43:37.000 We crossed at the right places where there was white water.

01:43:40.000 And where, you know, rafts, yeah, maybe they could have been below, but luckily we didn't see them.

01:43:43.000 And you didn't see them there at all?

01:43:44.000 Didn't see, no.

01:43:45.000 No crocodiles at all?

01:43:46.000 Nope.

01:43:48.000 And it's all murky water, so you can never tell what lies beneath.

01:43:55.000 1961 David Attenborough in Madagascar with the crocodiles where they're worshipping them.

01:44:01.000 This guy's going to feed it?

01:44:02.000 What's he bringing over to feed them?

01:44:04.000 So they were just cutting it up here.

01:44:05.000 So this is the people that think they have a deal with the crocodiles?

01:44:08.000 Yeah, this is long history.

01:44:10.000 Oh yeah, Madagascar.

01:44:11.000 So they've been feeding these crocodiles for a long time?

01:44:14.000 That's probably the move.

01:44:15.000 Feed the crocodiles so the crocodiles don't get into hunting.

01:44:18.000 I mean, they want to preserve energy.

01:44:20.000 If they think they could just show up to the shore and every day you toss them some food.

01:44:24.000 Look how...

01:44:25.000 And the crocs know normally where the people cross and they'll just try to stay away from human activity normally. 0.99

01:44:31.000 But there are stories of people being taken, of course.

01:44:34.000 Of course. 1.00

01:44:35.000 Look how evil that goddamn thing looks. 1.00

01:44:38.000 That doesn't give a fuck about you. 1.00

01:44:39.000 Not at all. 0.99

01:44:40.000 You're not making a deal with a croc, are you?

01:44:42.000 No.

01:44:42.000 And they were laughing at me, saying, yeah, of course we've made a deal.

01:44:45.000 I'm like, don't be silly. 0.93

01:44:46.000 And they're laughing, thinking I'm weird. 0.97

01:44:47.000 It's like, come on.

01:44:48.000 But they also believe in witches, too.

01:44:49.000 But it's interesting, without the real outside world, right?

01:44:53.000 We take away the internet, take away access to education, take away all the things that we think of in the Western world, and then in their world, even if witches aren't real, if they operate that witches are real, they're going to set these very specific patterns of things they're allowed to do and things they're not allowed to do,

01:45:12.000 and it at least gives them this idea that carrying that chicken around is protecting them.

01:45:16.000 Yeah.

01:45:16.000 You know, that a chicken's gonna protect you from the bad witches.

01:45:19.000 Like, and they just keep living that, like, you can't take a chance.

01:45:23.000 Yeah.

01:45:23.000 But are you gonna take a chance and abandon the chicken?

01:45:25.000 What if you get killed by a witch? 0.99

01:45:27.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:45:27.000 When are you gonna feel like an asshole? 1.00

01:45:28.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:45:28.000 Right? 1.00

01:45:29.000 So, they get stuck in these patterns because life is so sketchy there as it is.

01:45:34.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:45:34.000 You're surrounded by dinosaurs and you're, Hacking your way through fucking terrible forests. 0.99

01:45:39.000 It's almost to protect them as well, isn't it, by creating these stories. 0.98

01:45:42.000 There was another one that if a leaf falls, if you're resting in the shade, it gets hot in Madagascar underneath the tree.

01:45:47.000 If a leaf drops, it means there's a snake in the tree warning you to get out from underneath.

01:45:51.000 If the second leaf drops, it's warning, it's about to spiral down and spear through your skull.

01:45:57.000 And again, I'm like...

01:45:58.000 That's impossible.

01:45:59.000 I'm like, no, no.

01:46:00.000 So I'd just wind them up, you know, a second leaf dropped and they would scatter and I'd still be there like another tree.

01:46:04.000 But I do love that, you know, that's why I travel to amazing stories, isn't it?

01:46:09.000 People living in so many different ways.

01:46:10.000 Big, beautiful world, lots to see, lots to do.

01:46:13.000 And that's why, you know, so with Madagascar, I pointed up with the Lima Network Conservation.

01:46:17.000 They've got 60 organisations on the ground helping to protect and preserve the unique biodiversity.

01:46:23.000 So with these expeditions, the record is like the enticement, the motivation.

01:46:28.000 But if I can do something worthwhile and highlight certain issues, so with Mongolia, I was actually raising awareness about climate change and the effects that it has on the nomadic way of life.

01:46:39.000 It gets so cold out there now that the livestock struggle to survive, which means that the nomads are out of work, so they move to the capital city, Ulaanbaatar, to find work.

01:46:49.000 But there's now like a Gur district or a Yurt district, you know, they're white felt tents surrounding the capital city and it gets free. 0.94

01:46:57.000 It's one of the coldest capital cities in the world.

01:46:59.000 It gets cold.

01:46:59.000 They burn what they can.

01:47:00.000 A lot of it is dirty coal because the clean coal gets sent to China and plastics.

01:47:04.000 So there's now a smog that covers the capital city.

01:47:08.000 It's a difficult place to live in the winter only.

01:47:11.000 And babies are lasting three, four days after birth before they're suffocating.

01:47:16.000 Oh my god, just from the burning plastic?

01:47:19.000 Yeah, just difficult to breathe and the doctor just says, evacuate the city, get yourself out.

01:47:23.000 So I was just trying my best to raise funds for the Red Cross, raise awareness of actually Mongolia you don't hear.

01:47:29.000 Go to that picture again.

01:47:30.000 Make that picture larger, Jamie.

01:47:32.000 Look how crazy that way of life is.

01:47:34.000 Yeah.

01:47:35.000 There's all these tents everywhere.

01:47:37.000 In the background, you see, it looks like some wall tents, but maybe some hard structures.

01:47:43.000 It looks like there's a few hard roofs there.

01:47:44.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:47:45.000 There'll be different huts.

01:47:46.000 But most of them are just tents.

01:47:47.000 Yeah.

01:47:48.000 There's one building back there, a multi-story building.

01:47:50.000 Scroll back, go back to the...

01:47:52.000 So this is...

01:47:52.000 There, see that one?

01:47:53.000 Yeah, so this is in the capital, Ulaanbaatar.

01:47:56.000 So you have a lot, even in the center, you know, it's pretty nicely developed in there.

01:48:01.000 But it's crazy, right?

01:48:02.000 All dirt roads.

01:48:03.000 What do they do with sanitation and sewage? 0.88

01:48:07.000 Yeah, again.

01:48:09.000 I don't like hearing that noise.

01:48:11.000 It says, though they lack access to drinking water, proper sewage, or internal heating, many are reluctant to leave behind their unique millennia-old way of living. 0.79

01:48:19.000 Yeah, just shitting a hole in the ground.

01:48:21.000 Whatever, whatever. 0.99

01:48:22.000 Forever.

01:48:22.000 Yeah, so it's...

01:48:24.000 Imagine not wanting to leave that.

01:48:26.000 Imagine being like, this is the way to go.

01:48:28.000 Yeah, these were all out in the wilderness, in the Mongolian wilderness.

01:48:31.000 It's absolutely stunning, but they've been forced pretty much to move here.

01:48:36.000 So in the camp...

01:48:37.000 Stop that, please.

01:48:38.000 Go back up and make that larger again.

01:48:40.000 What is that background city?

01:48:42.000 What is that?

01:48:43.000 It's the outside...

01:48:43.000 Yeah, that's the capital city of Mongolia, Ulaanbaatar.

01:48:46.000 Wow.

01:48:47.000 And so all that stuff on the outside is how most of the people live.

01:48:50.000 It's like a good district, yeah.

01:48:51.000 Wow.

01:48:53.000 So it drops to like minus 40 Fahrenheit. 1.00

01:48:56.000 Fucking A, man. 0.99

01:48:58.000 And so they just need to stay alive, so they burn whatever they can find to stay warm. 1.00

01:49:02.000 Jesus.

01:49:03.000 So there's always, you know, always environmental at my heart first and foremost, especially seeing the world.

01:49:09.000 You see it in its rarity, you know, you're out Madagascar trekking its wilderness.

01:49:12.000 And 80% of all plant life and wildlife found in Madagascar alone, it's found nowhere else in the world.

01:49:18.000 Really?

01:49:18.000 Literally walking past stuff on a daily basis thinking you're not found anywhere else, only native to Madagascar.

01:49:25.000 Giant comet moths this big, bright yellow, to lemurs over a hundred different species.

01:49:31.000 So I'd do my best to try to meet up with as many organisations as I possibly could who were helping to protect and expand national parks, who were helping to educate the locals, supply different means of work, protect the species living within, and highlight the press.

01:49:46.000 We're interested in the journey, but I would direct and highlight the real unsung heroes, I call them, the people volunteering, doing this day in, day out.

01:49:55.000 And often there's just a lot of, you switch on the TV and it's just all negative, isn't it?

01:49:58.000 But I believe positivity spreads more positivity.

01:50:01.000 So highlight these issues, all of the amazing workers doing their utmost to protect the environment.

01:50:07.000 And yeah, that makes you want to do more as well, doesn't it, you know?

01:50:10.000 Yeah.

01:50:11.000 Well, it seems like it's got to change your frame of reference shifts.

01:50:18.000 You've seen so many things that most people haven't seen.

01:50:20.000 Just haven't been to that place and knowing that there's massive groups of people that are living like that that are burning plastic in the wintertime to try to stay alive.

01:50:28.000 Yeah.

01:50:28.000 It just shifts how you view things.

01:50:30.000 That's it.

01:50:31.000 For sure.

01:50:32.000 Yeah.

01:50:32.000 And you know, once you've seen it, you can't unsee it.

01:50:34.000 Right.

01:50:35.000 It's one of those where you just want to try to keep helping where you can.

01:50:38.000 How many people are living like that?

01:50:40.000 Oh, right.

01:50:41.000 So there's four million people in Mongolia, but probably about three million are in the capital city.

01:50:49.000 Probably half of that are Gur districts, nomads. 0.99

01:50:52.000 Wow.

01:50:53.000 Almost half, maybe.

01:50:55.000 So, more than a million people in tents.

01:50:58.000 Potentially.

01:50:58.000 It's getting that way anyway, yeah.

01:51:01.000 Fuck. 1.00

01:51:02.000 And the air quality, just again, so poor. 1.00

01:51:04.000 Can you imagine that?

01:51:05.000 Just giving birth to doctors.

01:51:06.000 Get out of the city.

01:51:08.000 Wow.

01:51:08.000 Otherwise, there's a high chance that you're going to lose your child.

01:51:12.000 And the people that do stay, the older people, they must be taking years off their life. 1.00

01:51:17.000 Yeah, most likely.

01:51:19.000 And then in the summer, so I didn't experience it in the winter, but in the summer, you still got the Gur district, but it's warm, so you can see the sky.

01:51:26.000 What do these people do for a living?

01:51:28.000 A lot of it is livestock, so they raise their yak, dairy, you know, meats that they'll transport over to the capital city.

01:51:39.000 But they're just out there living the purest way of life.

01:51:42.000 I remember walking through a pot of Mongolia, actually, I went over eight days without seeing a single person, over eight days.

01:51:47.000 I was like, wow, if you want to know what the world was like, I don't know, a million, two million years ago, Mongolia is the place that you'll get to experience a bit of that, you know?

01:51:57.000 Just wilderness, just out there.

01:52:00.000 Did you encounter any wolves or anything there?

01:52:02.000 Wolves.

01:52:03.000 They were the bigger wolves as well.

01:52:04.000 They were gray wolves.

01:52:05.000 I didn't, luckily.

01:52:07.000 Saw footprints, but you couldn't see whether that was wild dogs or wolves.

01:52:11.000 I had a wild dog approach my tent, like two, three in the morning.

01:52:15.000 Just heard heavy breathing and footsteps outside my tent.

01:52:17.000 I'm in the middle of the Gobi Desert alone.

01:52:19.000 Hadn't seen a human in days.

01:52:22.000 And I'm there in the middle of a tent, a knife in one hand, a torch in the other, shaking, adrenaline, thinking this is a person outside.

01:52:28.000 I'm shouting and they're not replying.

01:52:30.000 I unzipped it.

01:52:31.000 It was like a wild dog.

01:52:32.000 But it was fine.

01:52:33.000 It wasn't aggressive.

01:52:34.000 But yeah, it was just so...

01:52:35.000 I remember my logistics manager, my Ulaanbaatar-based, my Mongolia-based logistics manager.

01:52:41.000 I said to him, can you imagine how quiet, how silent it's going to be in the Gobi Desert?

01:52:45.000 And he replied, he just said, there's no such thing as silence.

01:52:48.000 I said, what do you mean there's no such thing as silence?

01:52:49.000 They have like silence rooms, you know, torture, panic rooms, silence rooms with the headphones and whatnot.

01:52:54.000 And he was like, I'm not going to tell you, you know, you'll get out there and if you've hit the right spot of the Gobi Desert, you'll know what I mean.

01:53:00.000 And I did.

01:53:01.000 I remember I was just, again, in the middle of the Gobi Desert.

01:53:04.000 I hadn't seen anyone in days.

01:53:06.000 And there was no breeze.

01:53:07.000 There was no flies.

01:53:08.000 There was no people.

01:53:09.000 There was just no noise pollution whatsoever.

01:53:12.000 And I was just looking around.

01:53:14.000 I could just hear this faint noise, almost like a high-pitched humming noise.

01:53:19.000 Very faint though.

01:53:20.000 And I thought it could be like air leaking from my water container.

01:53:23.000 It could be my trailer.

01:53:23.000 So I walked a few hundred meters away from my trailer.

01:53:26.000 And I could still hear it.

01:53:27.000 It took me five to ten minutes to figure it out.

01:53:29.000 But I was like, I'm at such the point of silence now, it's so quiet, I can hear my own body functioning.

01:53:35.000 And that's what he meant, that there's no such thing as silence.

01:53:38.000 Because when you're at the point of silence, you can finally hear your own body ticking over.

01:53:42.000 Never heard it before, never heard it since.

01:53:44.000 What are you hearing?

01:53:45.000 Just the faintest humming noise.

01:53:47.000 Almost like coming from the inside.

01:53:50.000 But you can't not hear it.

01:53:52.000 As long as you're living, as long as you're breathing, you're hearing that noise.

01:53:56.000 I went everywhere and I was just like, yeah, nothing.

01:53:58.000 It's my body.

01:54:00.000 It's ticking over.

01:54:01.000 So how long are you walking through the Gobi Desert hearing your body?

01:54:04.000 Oh, no.

01:54:05.000 When you're walking, you can't really hear it.

01:54:07.000 Because when you stop.

01:54:08.000 Yeah, and it's got to be no wind.

01:54:10.000 A lot of the time it was very breezy.

01:54:12.000 Sometimes there were storms, you know.

01:54:14.000 So you're essentially walking through a dead area, right?

01:54:17.000 Yeah.

01:54:18.000 It's lifeless.

01:54:18.000 Yeah.

01:54:19.000 How much water do you have on you when you're doing this?

01:54:21.000 With that, so my container was 20 liters, 20 kilograms, but it was never always full.

01:54:27.000 That's a lot of weight.

01:54:28.000 That's a lot of weight, yeah.

01:54:30.000 A hell of a lot of weight.

01:54:30.000 Plus you have all the other stuff.

01:54:32.000 Yeah, that's why it mounted, really.

01:54:33.000 I think the trailer on its own was 40 kilograms, I don't know what that was, a pound, 60, 70 pounds, maybe, on an empty load, because it was mild steel, just built in my family friends, backguarding, you know.

01:54:43.000 Really?

01:54:44.000 Yeah, just puncture-proof tyres, full rubber.

01:54:47.000 So it was heavy, but it was robust.

01:54:49.000 And then the water container here, 20 litres, 20 kilograms, that I needed at a maximum load.

01:54:57.000 Yeah, so when I was, you know, effectively I went through the water when I was really suffering with the dehydration.

01:55:04.000 So at that point the trailer was a lot lighter.

01:55:07.000 It was under 100 kilograms at that point, but I'm low on water, you know?

01:55:12.000 I'm sort of rationing the last remaining dribbles up to where I make it to the community.

01:55:17.000 So on maximum load, yeah, 120 kilograms.

01:55:21.000 Water was the biggest issue and always was the biggest issue.

01:55:24.000 That's why the previous guy was evacuated on three occasions, which terrified me as well.

01:55:28.000 He was a Navy soldier, desert explorer.

01:55:30.000 I was just a scuba diving, Muay Thai, living on a beach in Thailand, you know?

01:55:35.000 So I did have my worries.

01:55:36.000 I did stop planning Mongolia as well because of that.

01:55:38.000 I started to doubt myself.

01:55:39.000 At the same time, I realized, you know, just because no one's found a way to do something, it doesn't mean it can't be done.

01:55:45.000 What made you feel like Mongolia was the wildest place?

01:55:48.000 Probably because it was really close, like I'm living in Thailand, my initial idea was get a cheap bike, $10, cycle up to Mongolia, cycle across Mongolia and walk back the other way, or cycle to the start point in the east and then walk to the west.

01:56:01.000 And I thought, if I did that I would have died, I wouldn't have made it, that was lack of preparation.

01:56:07.000 So that's why I went back home, back to the UK for the right preparation, the right training.

01:56:11.000 And again, as I say, now it's not like Vietnam, the cycle when it was all very reckless. 0.98

01:56:16.000 It was all meticulous planning, detailed planning.

01:56:19.000 And Mongolia for me just struck me as that.

01:56:22.000 I was on the travel route for two years at this point, and I'd come across people, they say they plan to go here next, they plan to go there next, what they've come from, Cambodia, Vietnam, but no one had ever said Mongolia really, so I was just fascinated.

01:56:34.000 Home to the Altai Mountains, the Gobi Desert, you've got your reindeer tribal community up north, you've got your eagle hunters in the west, your camels down south of the Gobi. 0.91

01:56:43.000 It was just like, this country is fascinating.

01:56:46.000 And from that point on, I was just like, I wonder...

01:56:50.000 Maybe 100 miles, let's walk.

01:56:51.000 Maybe 200. I was like, heck, why not go for the length?

01:56:54.000 And then I started to look for people who had done it before.

01:56:56.000 It wasn't for any record, it was just for the fascination.

01:56:59.000 That's when I realised I couldn't find any evidence to suggest that anyone had completed the solo and unsupported walk.

01:57:04.000 But I did find the guy who previously attempted.

01:57:07.000 And he was a nice guy who responded.

01:57:09.000 I asked him what the dangers are.

01:57:10.000 It's a big list.

01:57:11.000 The grey wolves, the drunken nomadic drifters, the stagnant wolves in the dry wells.

01:57:16.000 Drug nomadic drifters?

01:57:17.000 They can sometimes be a problem, yeah.

01:57:19.000 Drunk, they'll get on their holes, they'll roam, and they're big.

01:57:22.000 They're big, the Mongolians. 1.00

01:57:24.000 Wrestling's their sport, so they're stocky.

01:57:27.000 It's in their history as well, isn't it, with Chinggis Khan, or Genghis Khan as we know him.

01:57:31.000 But yeah, they could be an issue.

01:57:35.000 And he just sent this huge list, and I was like...

01:57:38.000 Yeah, maybe I'll look for a different country.

01:57:41.000 Maybe I'll walk across a European country or something.

01:57:43.000 It's wild.

01:57:44.000 I didn't know much about it until I listened to Dan Carlin's Hardcore History piece on Genghis Khan.

01:57:49.000 Right, yeah.

01:57:50.000 I think it's five episodes, and it's insane.

01:57:53.000 You just realize, like, how do I not know all this?

01:57:55.000 Like how many people they killed.

01:57:57.000 The Mongols killed everybody. 1.00

01:57:59.000 They conquer half the world almost.

01:58:00.000 Half the world.

01:58:01.000 And they would rock up in the dead of winter, rock up at Russia's border, and they wouldn't, they just slit the jugular up their horse.

01:58:07.000 Yeah, and drink some of the blood and mix it with milk.

01:58:09.000 That would heal.

01:58:10.000 Yeah, they would use that to stay alive.

01:58:13.000 They apparently killed so many people that they altered... 0.77

01:58:19.000 We're good to go.

01:58:33.000 The low number, I think they were saying like 50 million.

01:58:36.000 The high number was over 100 million people were killed by Genghis Khan during his lifetime by his Mongols. 0.99

01:58:43.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1.00

01:58:44.000 And he fucked so much. 1.00

01:58:46.000 He left so much DNA out there. 1.00

01:58:50.000 Some crazy percentage of people have Genghis Khan's DNA to this day.

01:58:57.000 That's insane, isn't it?

01:58:58.000 It's nuts, man. 0.83

01:58:59.000 Nuts.

01:59:00.000 Terrifying as well.

01:59:00.000 It's nuts, too, that it went away.

01:59:01.000 It's like you had this military genius that came along at the right time, you know, with...

01:59:06.000 They had...

01:59:09.000 Massive skill with archery, and bows and arrows, and catapults, and just strategy.

01:59:15.000 They were just really good at figuring out how to take over cities.

01:59:18.000 They invented the bulletproof vest as well, didn't they?

01:59:21.000 Did they invent that?

01:59:22.000 Yeah, they realized that the biggest concern to losing soldiers, it was from the arrow.

01:59:28.000 The arrow kept taking his men out, so he came up with an idea, how can we possibly...

01:59:32.000 Chainmail or something?

01:59:33.000 Yeah, and it was, yeah, chainmail, straight over a vest.

01:59:35.000 I thought they had had that before.

01:59:37.000 Maybe.

01:59:38.000 I don't know.

01:59:39.000 I was shocked to see the...

01:59:41.000 I went to a museum and there was the Schwarz sticker, the Nazi symbol.

01:59:45.000 Yeah, Okinawa had that as well.

01:59:46.000 So did India. 0.97

01:59:48.000 It was a different thing.

01:59:49.000 It goes way back, you know, a few years ago.

01:59:51.000 Hitler just ruined a cool design. 1.00

01:59:54.000 That's what happened.

01:59:55.000 Hitler ruined a cool design. 1.00

01:59:57.000 I mean, you can never bring that back.

01:59:58.000 Oh, hey man, I'm just really into Okinawan karate.

02:00:00.000 Because I went to a martial arts supply store in the 90s.

02:00:07.000 And they had a swastika. 0.99

02:00:10.000 And I was like, what in the fuck is this? 0.99

02:00:11.000 And then apparently it was just a part of Okinawa and Okinawa karate. 0.99

02:00:15.000 That symbol was a very common symbol.

02:00:17.000 Pre-World War II. Nobody knew what it was.

02:00:21.000 Obviously back then it was a different thing.

02:00:23.000 In the 1200s it was, wasn't it?

02:00:25.000 The Chinggis dynasty. 0.86

02:00:27.000 There's a place, I think it's in West Hills, there's an Indian temple.

02:00:31.000 And this Indian temple is covered with swastikas.

02:00:36.000 And they had to explain that the construction of the temple and the designs on it predate the Nazi adoption of this symbol.

02:00:46.000 I mean, imagine! 1.00

02:00:48.000 Look what Hitler did to that fucking mustache! 1.00

02:00:52.000 No one can have that mustache! 1.00

02:00:55.000 All the people in the world!

02:00:56.000 It's crazy!

02:00:57.000 He ruined a mustache! 1.00

02:00:59.000 Like, not to say that anybody should have it, but I don't remember ever a time where someone was such a piece of shit that they ruined a hairstyle. 0.99

02:01:08.000 Like, you can never... 0.99

02:01:10.000 So many years on as well, isn't it?

02:01:12.000 I mean, think of...

02:01:14.000 I mean, there's no other mustache.

02:01:17.000 No other hairstyle, no other facial thing.

02:01:22.000 He ruined the whole thing.

02:01:25.000 See if you can find that Indian temple.

02:01:27.000 I think it's in West Hills.

02:01:29.000 What's the date?

02:01:31.000 How long?

02:01:31.000 There's a big one in Chino Hills.

02:01:34.000 Where's Chino Hills?

02:01:35.000 Does it look like this?

02:01:37.000 No, that's beautiful.

02:01:40.000 Where's that?

02:01:40.000 No, this one doesn't look that cool.

02:01:42.000 Here's one in Calabasas.

02:01:44.000 Maybe.

02:01:45.000 Let me see.

02:01:47.000 Nope, that's different too.

02:01:49.000 I think it's an Indian temple.

02:01:51.000 I don't necessarily think it's Hindu.

02:01:53.000 I think it's an Indian...

02:01:54.000 And it's just got the signs all over.

02:01:56.000 That's why I searched initially and this is what we're talking about.

02:01:58.000 God, that's so pretty.

02:01:59.000 Anyway.

02:02:00.000 It is.

02:02:01.000 Anyway, the use of the swastika for whatever reason... 0.98

02:02:04.000 The Nazis just decided to look cool and fucked everything up. 0.97

02:02:08.000 That's it. 0.98

02:02:09.000 Did he take inspiration as well from Genghis Khan?

02:02:12.000 That's why he used it.

02:02:13.000 Because he conquered almost half the world and he wanted to go in that direction, didn't he?

02:02:16.000 I think that's what someone told me.

02:02:19.000 I didn't know that.

02:02:20.000 It would make sense as well, wouldn't it?

02:02:21.000 It would.

02:02:22.000 He was trying to do exactly what Genghis Khan did. 0.87

02:02:26.000 But it's interesting that there are these people in history that sort of shift of The civilization in a certain way where they just become incredibly dominant and conquer everything.

02:02:38.000 There's a few of these people that throughout history, they pop up and then everything changes because of them.

02:02:43.000 That's it.

02:02:44.000 And he's a big one.

02:02:45.000 Massive.

02:02:45.000 So you're in this area knowing the kind of history that's involved in this place.

02:02:49.000 What did it feel like knowing how many battles took place on that land?

02:02:53.000 Yeah, you can...

02:02:54.000 And fairly recently, right?

02:02:56.000 I mean, relatively speaking, it was the 1200s.

02:02:58.000 That's it.

02:02:59.000 Yeah.

02:03:00.000 And you can see how the fields are massive.

02:03:02.000 Actually, going back to that guy who ran after me on his horseback who came to deliver me the bottle of tea.

02:03:08.000 Imagine that in the thousands, the noise it would make.

02:03:13.000 I could see him.

02:03:13.000 He was a dot in the distance.

02:03:15.000 It took him about 10, maybe 15 minutes to get to me.

02:03:17.000 Imagine a whole line of them soldiers, warriors, Chinggis empire.

02:03:23.000 Running toward the noise.

02:03:24.000 Oh, you'd be terrified, wouldn't you?

02:03:26.000 And this mass land as well.

02:03:27.000 The steppe just goes on, just rolling fields of grass.

02:03:30.000 Forever, right?

02:03:31.000 Yeah.

02:03:32.000 I'd see a girl in the distance.

02:03:34.000 It would be like a little dot in the distance.

02:03:35.000 I'd wake up in the morning and I'd know it's going to take me a full day to get there.

02:03:40.000 That's camp for tonight, effectively, you know.

02:03:42.000 It'd take me a whole difficult day just to get there.

02:03:46.000 Dude, you're a ballsy man to take that on.

02:03:49.000 That is a courageous journey and one of many that you've done. 0.99

02:03:53.000 It's got to be a weird feeling to be walking around regular people that have never experienced all the crazy shit. 0.97

02:04:02.000 If you're around privileged people... 0.99

02:04:04.000 That are like really kind of soft and civilized.

02:04:08.000 Do you almost want to take them with you?

02:04:10.000 Like, hey, this will help you.

02:04:12.000 Yeah, yeah, no, for sure.

02:04:14.000 For sure.

02:04:14.000 And I think for the younger generation, it's great, isn't it?

02:04:17.000 I'd love to...

02:04:18.000 And it's also the mental health side, the mindset.

02:04:21.000 You know, take someone out there to Mongolia or the jungles of Madagascar or towards the source of the Yangtzean.

02:04:27.000 I don't know, you just appreciate it.

02:04:29.000 You have more faith in humanity.

02:04:31.000 You think, what a Beautiful world we live in.

02:04:33.000 They do things like that with troubled kids.

02:04:36.000 My friend Dan Doty used to do it. 0.93

02:04:39.000 They would take kids that were all fucked up and all sorts of problems in school, and he would take them camping. 0.96

02:04:44.000 Just reconnect them to nature. 0.98

02:04:47.000 Take them up there for a long period of time, months at a time.

02:04:49.000 They'd live off the land, they would fish, and they would live in tents.

02:04:53.000 You'd come back with a reset mindset, wouldn't you?

02:04:56.000 You'd start appreciating the little things, like the kettle of the toaster I told you about.

02:05:00.000 You know that old expression, you can't really appreciate the sun unless you've experienced the rain.

02:05:05.000 Yeah, that's it.

02:05:05.000 It's an old expression, but it really, it seems to be true.

02:05:09.000 You know who had that? 0.98

02:05:09.000 I think Dylan Danis had that on his fucking Instagram post today. 0.98

02:05:13.000 Oh yeah, really? 0.99

02:05:13.000 When he was sparring with Conor McGregor, obviously meaning Conor's raining on him. 0.99

02:05:18.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:05:19.000 He's beefed up, hasn't he, McGregor?

02:05:21.000 Yeah.

02:05:22.000 Well, Conor's fighting this weekend.

02:05:23.000 Who do you reckon's got it?

02:05:24.000 I had to ask you that.

02:05:25.000 There it is right there.

02:05:26.000 You can't appreciate the sun if you never stood in the rain.

02:05:28.000 Bam.

02:05:28.000 So true.

02:05:29.000 So true.

02:05:30.000 Yeah.

02:05:30.000 Ancient saying that is 100% accurate.

02:05:33.000 Yeah.

02:05:33.000 He's fighting Cerrone, isn't he?

02:05:35.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, he is.

02:05:36.000 Yeah.

02:05:37.000 Couple days.

02:05:38.000 Today's Monday.

02:05:39.000 Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday's here!

02:05:42.000 Who do you think?

02:05:43.000 I do not know, my friend.

02:05:45.000 I never predict fights because I think it might feel disrespectful if we were alone.

02:05:50.000 I would tell you my thoughts.

02:05:51.000 No, but not in this one.

02:05:53.000 In this one, I feel like this is a legitimate 50-50 proposition. 0.65

02:05:57.000 Yeah, same.

02:05:58.000 I don't know.

02:05:58.000 He's a warrior.

02:05:59.000 Both warriors could go either way.

02:06:01.000 Well, also skill-wise, I look at a bunch of different things.

02:06:06.000 I look at damage, age, skill, motivation, and then past results.

02:06:14.000 All these things.

02:06:15.000 So when you look at all those things, you give Conor a slight advantage with stand-up, like with his speed.

02:06:21.000 He's very explosive, and he tends to knock guys out.

02:06:25.000 That left hand, isn't it? 0.96

02:06:26.000 Yeah, the left hand's a piss. 0.98

02:06:27.000 He's so explosive.

02:06:28.000 He tends to catch guys with a lot of explosive punches.

02:06:32.000 He's very fast.

02:06:33.000 Whereas Cowboy is more of a steady pace, wears on you, but can also finish head kicks.

02:06:40.000 He has the most finishes in UFC history, most submissions.

02:06:43.000 I believe he has the most submissions.

02:06:45.000 He holds a lot of records, doesn't he?

02:06:46.000 A lot of records.

02:06:47.000 A lot of records. 0.98

02:06:48.000 He's fought nothing but tough guys for a long fucking time. 0.99

02:06:52.000 He's been head-kicking and strangling tough guys. 0.99

02:06:55.000 How old is he now?

02:06:56.000 Cowboy, I think, is 36. 36, yeah.

02:06:59.000 And Conor, I think, is 31. 31, is he?

02:07:01.000 Yeah.

02:07:02.000 Is that right?

02:07:02.000 Does it say?

02:07:03.000 I think 31 makes sense.

02:07:05.000 Conor has less miles on him, for sure.

02:07:07.000 But Cowboy's never looked better than he's had over the last few years.

02:07:11.000 And you give him a fight where he can really get up.

02:07:14.000 And this is a fight where it's like a really...

02:07:16.000 I mean, this is the red panties night.

02:07:19.000 Conor always talks about red panties night.

02:07:20.000 This is it.

02:07:21.000 Everybody's going to tune into that fight.

02:07:23.000 Majorly.

02:07:23.000 It's a giant fight.

02:07:25.000 It's a giant...

02:07:26.000 And it's also an interesting fight because even though both guys are not title holders...

02:07:31.000 Yeah.

02:07:31.000 It's still a five-round fight that has the same super fight feel that any other world title fight would have.

02:07:38.000 You want to see that fight.

02:07:39.000 The world title, I've been arguing this forever, is very important.

02:07:43.000 It's always good to know.

02:07:44.000 Kamaru Usman is the best 170-pound fighter in the world, and it's proven because he has the world title.

02:07:49.000 Yeah, beat Woodley.

02:07:51.000 Beat Woodley, and then he beat Colby.

02:07:52.000 Colby, that was a good one.

02:07:53.000 I agree that that's important, but I also agree that that's not required for a great fight.

02:07:59.000 What's required is a great matchup, and this is a great matchup.

02:08:03.000 This, to me, is a pay-per-view matchup.

02:08:07.000 That could genuinely go either way as well, isn't it?

02:08:10.000 And I'm working the event, but if I wasn't working the event, I'd be like, what is happening here?

02:08:15.000 How's that go down?

02:08:16.000 How's that go down?

02:08:17.000 I don't know how it goes down.

02:08:19.000 It might be Connor tries to catch him real quick with a straight left.

02:08:23.000 It might be Cowboy takes him down.

02:08:24.000 It might be Cowboy tries to kick his legs on the outside.

02:08:27.000 It might be...

02:08:30.000 Connor takes a slower approach because he thinks that Cowboy's strategy is for him to wear himself out in the first round.

02:08:37.000 So maybe Connor fights light and easy in the first round.

02:08:40.000 Maybe he looks to prove a point.

02:08:42.000 To go the long run just in case.

02:08:44.000 Well, not just that.

02:08:45.000 Because he's gone heavier and he's bulked up more.

02:08:47.000 So in third, fourth, fifth round, it's going to be a struggle endurance-wise.

02:08:50.000 I don't think so.

02:08:52.000 I don't think he's bulked up as much as he's not cutting weight.

02:08:55.000 Right.

02:08:55.000 I mean, he's starving himself to like 145. 155 is more comfortable for him.

02:09:00.000 175 is no weight cutting.

02:09:02.000 So I think he's probably going to be walking around just a little bit over that.

02:09:05.000 I know Donald is.

02:09:07.000 Donald, I think Donald in a video said he was walking around somewhere around 177, 178. So that's nothing.

02:09:13.000 That's nothing.

02:09:13.000 That's a day in the sauna and Don's on weight.

02:09:16.000 And then Cowboy just rehydrates and he's good to go.

02:09:19.000 And he's done it a hundred times.

02:09:20.000 Oh yeah, he's well experienced in that.

02:09:22.000 I think he's better physically without the drain.

02:09:26.000 And I think size-wise, he's better as a 55er because those big giant guys like Darren Till at 170 are just a little bit too much, a little bit too powerful.

02:09:35.000 But I think that at 170, with Conor at 170, they're both guys who are 55 pounders who are just not cutting weight.

02:09:42.000 So I don't think there's an advantage for either one of them.

02:09:45.000 I think it's great, and I think I would love to see that trend where guys just fight at their natural weight.

02:09:50.000 Because I think it's terrible for your kidneys.

02:09:52.000 It's terrible for your system.

02:09:54.000 You know as much as anybody did it involuntarily.

02:09:58.000 Yeah.

02:09:59.000 I mean, that's basically when you're dying like that and you're dehydrated, that's how those guys are the day of the weigh-in. 0.99

02:10:05.000 And then they have to have a goddamn cage fight 24 hours later. 0.99

02:10:08.000 It's crazy. 1.00

02:10:09.000 Yeah.

02:10:10.000 That's it.

02:10:10.000 I'll pull all the way back on.

02:10:12.000 Everything's forgotten about then, isn't it?

02:10:13.000 Maybe 30, 40, maybe 35 hours later at the most, right?

02:10:17.000 Because they're weighing in in the morning, and then there's probably another 12 or so. 1.00

02:10:21.000 I mean, shit. 0.99

02:10:22.000 It's not that much. 1.00

02:10:23.000 And that's after the fight.

02:10:23.000 Can they just go straight back to hydrating and eating as much as they want?

02:10:27.000 Or have they got to be broken into that gently?

02:10:28.000 Yeah, you got to bring it into it gently.

02:10:30.000 You got to You had to do it carefully, depending upon how much you lost, of course.

02:10:33.000 But some guys, there's some guys that were enormous, and they would go through radical weight cuts.

02:10:39.000 And then, for them, it was very important that they didn't shock their system.

02:10:43.000 And some guys did shock their system, and then they had to pull out of fights. 0.99

02:10:47.000 Their body was like, fuck, and what are you doing? 0.99

02:10:48.000 There's an overfeeding thing that can happen to you when you just eat too much, and your body doesn't know what the fuck to do. 1.00

02:10:54.000 It goes into a state of shock when you've been starving yourself for so long. 0.71

02:10:58.000 It's hard.

02:10:59.000 They start storing the fat.

02:11:01.000 I found after the expeditions, if I weren't really skinny and started eating a lot, I'd put on loads of weight super fast. 1.00

02:11:07.000 Your body's probably like, this asshole might just start again. 1.00

02:11:09.000 It's storing the fat. 1.00

02:11:10.000 Yeah, because it thinks you're going to do it again.

02:11:11.000 Body's amazing. 0.95

02:11:12.000 It thinks you're crazy.

02:11:13.000 Well, that's the thing they think about knockouts, too. 1.00

02:11:15.000 When fighters get knocked out, it's easier for them to get knocked out afterwards.

02:11:19.000 Yeah, really?

02:11:20.000 Yeah, it's not just about damage.

02:11:21.000 It's about the body recognizing what's going on and trying to prevent further damage by shutting itself off.

02:11:26.000 Oh, yeah.

02:11:27.000 Yeah, because it thinks you're going to just take the punishment, and it's easy.

02:11:31.000 It thinks it's easy.

02:11:32.000 If it just shuts off, it'll be better. 1.00

02:11:34.000 Yeah, your body just goes, fuck this. 1.00

02:11:36.000 Check, please. 1.00

02:11:36.000 Shuts itself down. 1.00

02:11:37.000 Old fighters, you know, they lose their ability to take a shot.

02:11:41.000 Oh, yeah.

02:11:41.000 So I would imagine that was the same with all the methods of the body.

02:11:45.000 Like, if you dehydrate yourself, it's probably easier for your body to go into kidney shock later.

02:11:49.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:11:50.000 Your body's like, hey, asshole, you've got to stop doing this. 1.00

02:11:52.000 You put me through. 1.00

02:11:53.000 Yeah.

02:11:53.000 Yeah, for sure.

02:11:54.000 It's probably harder for you.

02:11:55.000 Mm.

02:11:57.000 Like, when you think about these things, do you worry that you've done these gigantic ones in Mongolia and Madagascar and now in China?

02:12:07.000 Do you worry that you're going to have to outdo the China one? 0.99

02:12:11.000 Because the China one was a whole fucking year, man. 0.99

02:12:14.000 Yeah, a whole year. 1.00

02:12:15.000 Ridiculous, really, isn't it?

02:12:17.000 Do you worry that, okay, now I'm going to walk across the whole world? 0.98

02:12:19.000 No.

02:12:19.000 If I said that to you...

02:12:20.000 No.

02:12:21.000 How about that?

02:12:22.000 You know, the business has taken off.

02:12:24.000 You've got the expeditions, but then you've got the books, the promotions, the endorsements, everything.

02:12:29.000 As you know, the tours that go on the outside of that.

02:12:32.000 So you don't feel obligated to try to kill yourself?

02:12:34.000 No.

02:12:34.000 I want to get them shorter.

02:12:37.000 Definitely shorter.

02:12:38.000 Shorter trips?

02:12:40.000 But people are not going to want that, man. 1.00

02:12:41.000 You already fucked up. 0.99

02:12:43.000 It's like if you meet a girl and she's your favorite girl ever and you're like, oh my god, she's the one and you show up at her house with a dozen roses and then you don't have a dozen roses the next day. 1.00

02:12:52.000 She's like, this motherfucker doesn't even appreciate me. 0.99

02:12:55.000 Right? 1.00

02:12:56.000 That's it.

02:12:57.000 I think if we can make it just as extreme, just as ambitious, even more so interactive.

02:13:02.000 I loved the interactivity, man.

02:13:04.000 That's cool.

02:13:05.000 And do it with a good...

02:13:05.000 So I partnered up with WWF in China.

02:13:08.000 So I want to work with them again.

02:13:10.000 Okay, that's not wrestling.

02:13:12.000 You're not talking about wrestling.

02:13:13.000 No, no.

02:13:13.000 That's it.

02:13:14.000 They used to be over here.

02:13:15.000 Yeah, they did.

02:13:16.000 How the fuck did they use WWF when WWF was wrestling for so long? 0.87

02:13:19.000 Yeah. 0.96

02:13:21.000 They did sue them, didn't they?

02:13:22.000 I think World Wildlife Fund had to...

02:13:24.000 They won, so...

02:13:25.000 Who, World Wildlife Fund won?

02:13:27.000 Oh, that's why it became WWE? That's it, yeah.

02:13:29.000 Oh, I didn't know that.

02:13:31.000 I thought it was...

02:13:32.000 I heard that only recently.

02:13:33.000 I was like, whoa!

02:13:34.000 I thought that it was because they had to admit that they were...

02:13:38.000 So they called it entertainment rather than Federation World Wrestling Entertainment.

02:13:43.000 I think there was conflict with the World Wildlife Fund, wasn't it?

02:13:46.000 That's interesting.

02:13:47.000 No?

02:13:47.000 Makes sense.

02:13:48.000 So they were first.

02:13:49.000 They were before pro wrestling.

02:13:51.000 Yeah.

02:13:51.000 Maybe even if they were after.

02:13:54.000 I think that just the power.

02:13:56.000 It's global, isn't it?

02:13:56.000 World Wildlife Fund.

02:13:57.000 Is it?

02:13:58.000 Yeah.

02:13:58.000 All over.

02:13:59.000 All over.

02:14:00.000 So potentially just because of the sheer size of them, you know?

02:14:04.000 What excites you when you start thinking about your options for potential future trips?

02:14:08.000 Do you have anything that seems like really bonkers that excites you?

02:14:11.000 What about walking all the way across Africa?

02:14:13.000 Yeah, you know, something that is always fascinating.

02:14:16.000 I'm not ruling it out as always potentially an option, but I've always been drawn to the Congo.

02:14:20.000 Dude.

02:14:21.000 Always been drawn to the Congo.

02:14:22.000 Talk to my friend Justin.

02:14:23.000 Talk to my friend Justin.

02:14:24.000 Yeah, hook us up.

02:14:25.000 Yeah, no, for sure.

02:14:26.000 Because he's currently got a new parasite that they don't...

02:14:30.000 Yeah, he's had it for more than seven, I think more than eight months.

02:14:33.000 Yeah.

02:14:34.000 And they don't know what it is.

02:14:35.000 Whoa.

02:14:35.000 Yeah.

02:14:36.000 They think he might even be the first person that they've ever diagnosed with it because he caught it so deep in the Congo.

02:14:43.000 And a lot of these people that are catching parasites and could be an evolving parasite too.

02:14:48.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0.95

02:14:49.000 The Congo's a... 0.99

02:14:50.000 Oh, there's all sorts there.

02:14:51.000 There's all sorts.

02:14:52.000 Vibrant, crazy ecosystem of all kinds of different things.

02:14:56.000 So what's he suffering with?

02:14:57.000 What's his symptoms?

02:14:57.000 He's got all kinds of problems.

02:14:59.000 Oh, really?

02:14:59.000 He's on all sorts of anti-parasitic medication, but he was saying that after he worked out, he had to get into the shower because he was shivering.

02:15:10.000 He had to turn on the hot water.

02:15:11.000 Yeah, he looked pale and he was shivering.

02:15:13.000 Terrifying.

02:15:14.000 They think it might be in his brain.

02:15:15.000 They don't know what's going on.

02:15:16.000 That's even worse, isn't it?

02:15:18.000 The fact that they don't know what's going on.

02:15:20.000 They don't know how to help him.

02:15:21.000 And he's got brilliant doctors that have been working with him for months.

02:15:24.000 They're trying to run these batteries of tests.

02:15:27.000 He detailed it on the show.

02:15:29.000 He's such a nice guy.

02:15:30.000 He's one of the most selfless people I've ever met.

02:15:33.000 While he's talking about it, he wants to start praising the doctor and telling me I should get the doctor on the podcast.

02:15:39.000 I'm like, let's What's going on with you, man?

02:15:44.000 Even in describing his own life-threatening illness, he's trying to promote people and help them out.

02:15:49.000 Amazing.

02:15:50.000 That's the way forward, isn't it?

02:15:52.000 Kind of like him, man.

02:15:54.000 It's a wonderful story.

02:15:56.000 I don't know if you ever heard it, but I don't use that word wonderful that often, but with him, I do.

02:16:01.000 It's like he was bullied when he was a kid, and then got into fighting, and then became depressed and was a UFC top heavyweight.

02:16:11.000 He didn't win the Ultimate Fighter, but he was one of the top guys in the Ultimate Fighter, and then he left.

02:16:24.000 Yeah.

02:16:34.000 Becomes one of the top heavyweights for Bellator, catches malaria three times, three times, and keeps going back and forth to the Congo to spend these long trips out there.

02:16:45.000 But in the process, he's gotten really sick, the last one. 0.97

02:16:48.000 He looks great still, but it's still fucking with him. 0.98

02:16:53.000 Yeah, what now? 0.98

02:16:54.000 I don't know.

02:16:55.000 They've just got to find what it is.

02:16:57.000 They've got to figure out what it is.

02:16:58.000 And hoping that these anti-parasitic medications are putting them on and have an effect on whatever it is.

02:17:04.000 Maybe it goes away.

02:17:05.000 I don't know, man.

02:17:06.000 The worry for me is when someone says it might have gotten into his brain.

02:17:11.000 I'm like, what does that mean? 1.00

02:17:13.000 What happens then, when something's in your fucking brain? 1.00

02:17:17.000 Like, what's going on in there? 1.00

02:17:19.000 Terrific, yeah.

02:17:19.000 Have you seen the disease?

02:17:22.000 Yes.

02:17:22.000 What is it?

02:17:22.000 The worm?

02:17:23.000 Yes, behind the eyeballs?

02:17:25.000 Yeah, you can actually see it.

02:17:26.000 Yeah, we played that on the podcast.

02:17:28.000 We played the video of it.

02:17:29.000 It was frogs, right?

02:17:30.000 And people, too.

02:17:31.000 Can't people get it?

02:17:32.000 People can get it, too. 0.99

02:17:33.000 There's lots of parasites in the eyes. 0.98

02:17:34.000 Dude, then you're going to go in there. 0.83

02:17:38.000 Not so much anymore.

02:17:40.000 You've just put me off.

02:17:41.000 No, I was planning to walk.

02:17:44.000 I was looking into walking the Congo before the Yangtze.

02:17:46.000 The Yangtze made more sense.

02:17:49.000 But now after that, I'm like, no, if I'm going to the Congo, it wouldn't be the duration of...

02:17:55.000 Hiking a river that would take probably over the years.

02:17:59.000 Shorter, so much more dangerous, you know?

02:18:01.000 Got everything there.

02:18:02.000 So maybe we'll just stick to a two-week holiday in the Congo and plan my journeys elsewhere.

02:18:09.000 If you go to the Congo, you've got to go walk through the stretch that has that giant chimp living in it. 1.00

02:18:15.000 Do you know about that giant chimp?

02:18:17.000 What's his name?

02:18:19.000 The Bondo ape.

02:18:20.000 The Bondo.

02:18:21.000 Yeah, it's a larger version of the chimpanzee.

02:18:23.000 It's like six feet tall.

02:18:25.000 Huge, 200-plus pound chimps.

02:18:27.000 The locals call them lion killers.

02:18:30.000 Really?

02:18:31.000 Yeah, they nest on the ground.

02:18:33.000 Have we got an image of one of those?

02:18:34.000 Yeah, they nest on the ground like gorillas.

02:18:35.000 Yeah.

02:18:37.000 Well, this one is not...

02:18:39.000 There's images of dead ones.

02:18:42.000 See if you can go to...

02:18:44.000 If you just Google Bondo ape...

02:18:48.000 There's some really good...

02:18:49.000 See that one in the upper left-hand corner, Jamie?

02:18:51.000 Yeah.

02:18:53.000 But that picture I don't think is real.

02:18:56.000 I want to say that's fake.

02:18:59.000 Congo's giant Bondo... 0.78

02:19:00.000 See, that one's real.

02:19:01.000 That one's real.

02:19:02.000 Those people with the dead one?

02:19:03.000 Okay.

02:19:04.000 Make that larger, please.

02:19:06.000 Can you just make the...

02:19:08.000 There you go.

02:19:09.000 That is...

02:19:09.000 That's the first evidence of one that they ever found.

02:19:12.000 And then they shot this thing, and they took pictures of it, but I believe that was in the 1930s.

02:19:19.000 And then they got another one that they shot at an airport.

02:19:24.000 And these guys are posing with this thing.

02:19:26.000 See if you can find the one...

02:19:28.000 That's it, at the bottom.

02:19:28.000 The very bottom.

02:19:29.000 That right there.

02:19:30.000 Bang.

02:19:30.000 Look at that.

02:19:31.000 Go full screen, the one below it?

02:19:33.000 Yeah.

02:19:33.000 Look at that.

02:19:34.000 Make that larger. 1.00

02:19:35.000 Look at the size of that fucking chimp. 1.00

02:19:38.000 So that is this thing that they call the Bondo ape. 1.00

02:19:41.000 And it has a crest on its skull like a gorilla.

02:19:43.000 Yeah.

02:19:44.000 The skull is not shaped like a chimpanzee skull.

02:19:48.000 And so, go back to the picture please.

02:19:51.000 That's okay.

02:19:52.000 That's big enough.

02:19:53.000 Because it's not a very clear picture anyway.

02:19:55.000 So these guys shot this at an airport.

02:19:57.000 And look at the hog on them, too. 0.73

02:20:01.000 But the size of that thing, I mean, look at the men behind it.

02:20:04.000 I don't know how big they are, but let's assume they're tiny.

02:20:07.000 And they're 5'5".

02:20:08.000 That thing is 5'10", 5'11", and probably well north of 200 pounds. 0.83

02:20:13.000 And it's a chimp. 0.99

02:20:14.000 Oh my god, I've ripped you to pieces. 0.99

02:20:16.000 Yeah, easy.

02:20:16.000 But the cool thing is, this is a weird subspecies that's only in this, I think it's called Bili, in the Congo.

02:20:24.000 And they either call it the Bili ape, or they call it the Bondo ape. 0.75

02:20:29.000 But it's an enormous...

02:20:31.000 Yeah, but I'm sure I've seen that picture there where the guys are either side holding it up.

02:20:35.000 I'm sure I've seen that so much.

02:20:37.000 Google Bondo ape camera trap photo.

02:20:39.000 There's a camera trap photo of one of them walking...

02:20:43.000 Upright.

02:20:44.000 And it's about six feet tall, upper left hand corner.

02:20:47.000 That one.

02:20:48.000 Six feet tall. 1.00

02:20:49.000 They said by measuring the stuff around it, they think that that is a six-foot-tall chimpanzee walking through the fucking jungle. 0.99

02:20:57.000 And that's this guy. 0.99

02:20:58.000 There's a guy named Carl Amann.

02:21:00.000 I think he's from Switzerland.

02:21:02.000 He's a wildlife photographer.

02:21:03.000 And he spent a considerable amount of time trying to find these things and take photos of them because of all the descriptions that the natives have of these enormous chimpanzees.

02:21:12.000 They got video of one of them eating a jaguar.

02:21:15.000 They don't know if it killed it or if it found it dead.

02:21:18.000 But the locals...

02:21:21.000 Whereabouts in the Congo is that?

02:21:22.000 In Bili.

02:21:24.000 I think it's called B-I-L-I. It's not a large place, but it's an incredibly dense jungle.

02:21:29.000 So it's very hard to get to.

02:21:30.000 But for a long time, it was just legend.

02:21:33.000 But now they have actual video of them.

02:21:35.000 They have photographs.

02:21:35.000 They have scat samples, DNA. And then they have the skulls.

02:21:38.000 The skulls that are not quite gorilla and not quite chimpanzee.

02:21:41.000 Got you.

02:21:42.000 When they first got it, I'm pretty sure they thought it was a hybrid. 1.00

02:21:44.000 They thought, like, a gorilla fucked a chimp. 0.99

02:21:46.000 Like, come here, bro. 0.99

02:21:47.000 And then now they think it's a totally different subspecies of chimpanzee.

02:21:52.000 So there it is.

02:21:53.000 Ah, there you go, yeah.

02:21:54.000 Biliuli Forest.

02:21:56.000 So that's where you gotta go, bro.

02:21:58.000 Yeah, that's not far from the...

02:21:59.000 Is that the source?

02:22:00.000 That looks like the source there.

02:22:01.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:22:02.000 The source of the Congo.

02:22:02.000 Could you go through there?

02:22:04.000 So that area looks small, but it's probably bigger than Florida.

02:22:08.000 Oh, it's massive, yeah.

02:22:08.000 The area where these things...

02:22:10.000 I mean, the Congo is so big.

02:22:11.000 It's like the heart, isn't it?

02:22:11.000 The Congo is just always...

02:22:13.000 From a young age, you hear all sorts of stories about the Congo, don't you?

02:22:16.000 Isn't it wider than the contiguous United States?

02:22:19.000 I think the Congo itself is wider than the United States.

02:22:23.000 I think there's more land mass in the Congo.

02:22:26.000 There's an amazing BBC documentary on the Congo from many years ago.

02:22:32.000 I think it was like from the 90s.

02:22:34.000 But they spent a...

02:22:36.000 The United States is 29 times bigger than the Congo.

02:22:39.000 Okay, hold on.

02:22:40.000 Stop.

02:22:44.000 342,000 square kilometers.

02:22:46.000 But the width of it, I think it's the width.

02:22:49.000 Only 5 million people, even the size of it.

02:22:52.000 Oh, that's it.

02:22:53.000 Okay, no, it's not.

02:22:54.000 Okay, it's not as wide.

02:22:56.000 It's not even as close.

02:22:57.000 Maybe Texas or something.

02:22:58.000 Yeah, it's like...

02:22:59.000 It's bigger than Texas for sure.

02:23:01.000 It's like Texas and California and maybe like one other state smushed in there.

02:23:05.000 It looks like it's like 30% of the United States.

02:23:07.000 Still a lot of wilderness that though, isn't it?

02:23:09.000 Oh yeah, man. 0.99

02:23:10.000 And if there's a fucking giant chimp living in there? 1.00

02:23:12.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:23:13.000 And all kinds of other shit in there. 0.99

02:23:14.000 Oh, all sorts. 1.00

02:23:15.000 All sorts.

02:23:16.000 Have you seen that shoebill bird that lives there?

02:23:18.000 No.

02:23:19.000 Oh my god.

02:23:20.000 It's a five foot tall dinosaur of a bird with an enormous face.

02:23:25.000 His face is like this big and it looks like, it doesn't look real.

02:23:29.000 Like you see it walking around.

02:23:30.000 The way that you're describing it, maybe photos, videos.

02:23:33.000 Oh, the face that they have. 0.99

02:23:35.000 There's some great high resolution photos of the shoebill where you look at them in the eye and you're like, what the fuck is that? 0.99

02:23:43.000 Is that real? 0.98

02:23:44.000 They're like the most ferocious looking bird.

02:23:46.000 It looked like that, right there.

02:23:48.000 Yeah, I have seen that.

02:23:49.000 Come on, bro.

02:23:49.000 That's badass, isn't it?

02:23:50.000 Look at that face.

02:23:52.000 Imagine walking through the jungle.

02:23:54.000 Waking up and seeing that looking down at you.

02:23:56.000 Yes! 1.00

02:23:56.000 Or walking through the jungle and you part some leaves and that fucking thing is staring at your face. 1.00

02:24:01.000 Oh, my God. 0.99

02:24:03.000 We came across, you know, have you had elephant birds?

02:24:06.000 No.

02:24:06.000 I think David Attenborough.

02:24:08.000 Elephant birds.

02:24:09.000 Elephant birds.

02:24:10.000 I think David Attenborough first discovered it or went to Madagascar because he was fascinated by the elephant bird.

02:24:16.000 It went extinct, I don't know how long ago, but their eggs were about half a foot.

02:24:21.000 Like a football?

02:24:22.000 Yeah, almost like a rugby ball, football.

02:24:25.000 Yeah.

02:24:26.000 In size.

02:24:27.000 Oh! 0.60

02:24:27.000 There we go. 0.60

02:24:29.000 Oh my god, look at the size of that egg!

02:24:31.000 That'd be painful.

02:24:32.000 That's so big! 1.00

02:24:34.000 Look at the size of that fucker. 1.00

02:24:35.000 There you go, look at that comparison with an ostrich. 1.00

02:24:37.000 Oh my god.

02:24:39.000 There you go, yeah. 1.00

02:24:41.000 Holy fuck! 1.00

02:24:42.000 And these were big, but I came across the elephant bird eggshells. 1.00

02:24:45.000 They're about this thick as well, maybe a quarter, half a centimeter in thickness.

02:24:50.000 And they're just scattered across the southern beaches of Madagascar, and they're thousands still there.

02:24:54.000 So this thing is still alive?

02:24:55.000 No, this is gone extinct.

02:24:57.000 It's just the eggs.

02:24:58.000 But the eggs are still there.

02:24:59.000 Yeah, there you go.

02:24:59.000 There's David Attebra.

02:25:00.000 I think he bought one back.

02:25:01.000 It's in Cardiff, which is the capital city of Wales.

02:25:03.000 There's that many of them?

02:25:04.000 You can just go get one?

02:25:05.000 There's thousands.

02:25:06.000 Yeah, just crushed.

02:25:07.000 Because they're so thick.

02:25:08.000 Oh, look at that compared to my leg.

02:25:09.000 They just last forever.

02:25:11.000 Wow! 1.00

02:25:12.000 Holy shit, they're huge! 1.00

02:25:14.000 I forget how many years ago they went extinct. 1.00

02:25:16.000 A couple of thousand.

02:25:17.000 How many of these things have been collected?

02:25:21.000 I'm not too sure.

02:25:22.000 I don't know how many eggs.

02:25:22.000 Why did the elephant bird disappear?

02:25:24.000 What does it say?

02:25:25.000 Human people what? 0.68

02:25:26.000 Yeah, I believe it was the humans, wasn't it?

02:25:28.000 Swirl down?

02:25:29.000 Humans may not be to blame.

02:25:31.000 Oh? 1.00

02:25:32.000 Goddamn pop-ups. 1.00

02:25:33.000 Get us every time. 1.00

02:25:35.000 Wow.

02:25:36.000 Immense.

02:25:37.000 That's huge, though, isn't it?

02:25:39.000 Yeah, but did you ever see the ones they had in North America, the terror birds? 0.65

02:25:42.000 No. 1.00

02:25:43.000 Oh, fuck. 1.00

02:25:44.000 They had seven feet tall, murderous, carnivorous birds that couldn't fly running around North America. 1.00

02:25:50.000 Jeez.

02:25:51.000 Yeah, pull up, terror birds. 0.88

02:25:54.000 Jamie's, he's searching overtime on this episode. 0.99

02:25:59.000 I'm just trying to scare you with all the shit that you've seen your whole life. 0.99

02:26:03.000 These were enormous birds. 0.99

02:26:04.000 There's one that shows...

02:26:06.000 Look at the size of that thing.

02:26:07.000 There's one that shows...

02:26:08.000 Go back to that National Geographic thing that you just had right there, Jamie, in the middle.

02:26:12.000 Yeah.

02:26:13.000 I think that was like a CGI documentary that they had done on one.

02:26:17.000 It says versus wolves.

02:26:18.000 I don't even want to click on it.

02:26:20.000 It would be awful.

02:26:22.000 Well, I think they're so much bigger than the wolves, they probably hunted them down and killed them.

02:26:26.000 There's a size comparison there, isn't there?

02:26:27.000 See, next to a human.

02:26:28.000 Yes, it's far left.

02:26:31.000 Well built as well. 1.00

02:26:33.000 Chasing horses and shit. 0.99

02:26:34.000 Can you imagine, like, exploration back then? 0.99

02:26:36.000 Oh, it'd be a whole different ballgame, wouldn't it?

02:26:38.000 Oh, you had no idea.

02:26:39.000 So much more exciting but dangerous as well, you know?

02:26:42.000 Well, when you're talking about people that believe in witches and people that believe in witchcraft, like back then, you almost had to have some belief system to keep you going because you...

02:26:50.000 I had no idea what was around the next corner.

02:26:52.000 So these terror birds were alive, I believe, when human beings were alive, right?

02:26:57.000 When were these things alive?

02:27:02.000 If I had to guess, I'm going to guess they died out a million years ago?

02:27:08.000 Half a million years ago?

02:27:11.000 62 to 1.8 million years ago.

02:27:13.000 Whoa.

02:27:14.000 62 million to 1.8 million?

02:27:16.000 It says the temporal range covers from 62 to 1.8 million years ago.

02:27:20.000 So I think that's 62 million, not 62 years ago.

02:27:22.000 Okay, so no people.

02:27:23.000 62 million, yeah.

02:27:24.000 So definitely no people.

02:27:25.000 Dinosaur.

02:27:25.000 Dinosaur age.

02:27:26.000 Cenozoic era.

02:27:28.000 Cenozoic.

02:27:29.000 So just some kind of monkey-chimp type thing was all we had back then. 0.90

02:27:34.000 I think that was like Australopithecus or something like that.

02:27:37.000 What year was that?

02:27:38.000 Okay, I'm over-googling you.

02:27:40.000 Still stuff living with us though, isn't it?

02:27:42.000 That's terrifying.

02:27:43.000 Have you heard of the camel spider?

02:27:45.000 Yes.

02:27:45.000 Where it injects you with like an anesthetic.

02:27:47.000 Yeah. 0.96

02:27:48.000 And there's like stories of soldiers waking up half an ear missing because they've been injected in the middle of the night by this big ass camel spider size of a dinner plate, isn't it? 0.96

02:27:57.000 What is this, Jamie?

02:27:58.000 Mammals of the Mycocene, which are, I guess, the same era.

02:28:02.000 So it looks like giant sloth time period, that North American bear time period. 0.94

02:28:06.000 Look how small the horses are. 0.99

02:28:08.000 Holy shit. 1.00

02:28:10.000 Compared to those giant sloth things. 1.00

02:28:12.000 It's like Avatar, isn't it?

02:28:13.000 Oh, that's a short-faced bear.

02:28:14.000 That's what that is.

02:28:15.000 That's that enormous bear.

02:28:16.000 You've seen that thing, right?

02:28:18.000 Short-faced bear?

02:28:19.000 Short-faced bear?

02:28:21.000 Have I seen it?

02:28:22.000 You don't even know, bro.

02:28:23.000 The short-faced bear was the most terrifying bear in all of history.

02:28:26.000 Short-faced bear was way bigger than a polar bear and super carnivorous, and they think it might have been the thing that kept human beings from successfully navigating the trek through the Bering landmass until they went extinct.

02:28:38.000 They're huge.

02:28:39.000 There's a picture of a guy standing next to a recreation of a short-faced bear.

02:28:44.000 It's so big.

02:28:48.000 They think people are probably hunting them off to extinction.

02:28:51.000 They don't really know.

02:28:53.000 Do you get an image of a short-faced bear? 0.94

02:28:56.000 Yeah, it's a ridiculous animal that I didn't even know existed until a few years ago. 0.84

02:28:59.000 Oh, there's probably so much. 0.98

02:29:01.000 That's why that's sapien.

02:29:02.000 I don't know if it goes into the details.

02:29:04.000 Sapien.

02:29:04.000 Does it go into the details of this?

02:29:05.000 Go with the one in the far right corner.

02:29:07.000 Upper right.

02:29:08.000 Oh, yeah, look at that.

02:29:08.000 Yeah, that's what it looks like.

02:29:10.000 Oh, man.

02:29:12.000 You just would not venture outside, would you? 0.99

02:29:15.000 Fucking imagine how big that is! 0.99

02:29:17.000 That's a big... 0.99

02:29:18.000 Brute, isn't it?

02:29:19.000 It's like a cartoon comic book version of a bear.

02:29:22.000 Like, you can't believe.

02:29:23.000 We're looking at this thing where literally this thing is standing up.

02:29:27.000 These gentlemen, let's just assume they're somewhere in the neighborhood of six feet tall.

02:29:30.000 This thing is their entire height plus a couple of feet.

02:29:35.000 So double their entire height, I should say, plus a couple of feet. 0.92

02:29:40.000 That's ridiculous, isn't it? 0.53

02:29:41.000 Their head, this thing standing up, and their heads are right around where his hip bone is. 0.98

02:29:46.000 Although he is on a little bit of a mound.

02:29:48.000 I'm counting that.

02:29:49.000 It's pretty close to 14, 15 feet, maybe, standing on side legs.

02:29:53.000 Yeah, but why do they have him on a mound? 0.99

02:29:55.000 Listen, bitch, we know he's tall. 1.00

02:29:57.000 You're exaggerating. 1.00

02:29:59.000 You're making it look more ridiculous. 0.98

02:30:00.000 It's ridiculous as it is, without him being on a mound. 0.97

02:30:04.000 Why do you have him... 0.95

02:30:05.000 You're trying to make it even crazier.

02:30:07.000 It's crazy enough.

02:30:09.000 But super predatory.

02:30:10.000 Short-faced bear.

02:30:12.000 Yeah.

02:30:13.000 Between that and saber-toothed tigers, there was an African lion that used to live here. 1.00

02:30:17.000 Look at that fucking monster. 0.99

02:30:18.000 Because we were just the bottom of the food chain, weren't we? 1.00

02:30:20.000 Oh, yeah.

02:30:21.000 As soon as we invented the fire, wasn't it?

02:30:23.000 As soon as we discovered the fire, boom.

02:30:25.000 Yeah, control of fire probably helped.

02:30:27.000 Weapons, flint.

02:30:28.000 Yeah, that's it.

02:30:29.000 I wonder what came first.

02:30:30.000 We were just after scraps, weren't we?

02:30:32.000 Leftovers from lions.

02:30:33.000 Do you feel when you're doing these treks and you're going on these journeys and you're walking through places like Mongolia that are incredibly wild, do you try to envision what it must have been like to be an early person without all these amazing resources that you have at your disposal to help you get to this area that you're going to?

02:30:54.000 Oh, it would be a whole different kit and everything.

02:30:56.000 Like, so in Mongolia, I didn't actually even use that GPS because that failed me.

02:31:01.000 Oh, really?

02:31:02.000 Yeah, all communities were in different places.

02:31:03.000 It just didn't work.

02:31:04.000 I went back to bog standards, map and compass.

02:31:07.000 Can you imagine even before then as well?

02:31:08.000 Map and compass?

02:31:10.000 Yeah.

02:31:10.000 So a fold-up map?

02:31:11.000 Yeah, fold-up map.

02:31:12.000 Let's get out, yeah.

02:31:13.000 Did we use Google Earth?

02:31:15.000 No, none of that.

02:31:16.000 Again, bog-standard, low-budget journey, the Mongolia one was. 0.99

02:31:21.000 So if you lost your map, you'd be fucked. 0.97

02:31:24.000 Yeah, that, but also the track that I was on. 0.99

02:31:27.000 As I said, you could be following goat track or camel track, and that is your lifeline. 1.00

02:31:32.000 That leads you to the next water source.

02:31:34.000 So if you're in a desert storm, for example, it'd make more sense to try to...

02:31:37.000 Keep going.

02:31:38.000 Well, no, just try to camp down, hide under your shelter if you lose sight of the track.

02:31:43.000 But if you don't, you can keep going, yeah.

02:31:45.000 So if you did do that...

02:31:46.000 That's why I didn't walk at night as well.

02:31:47.000 A lot of people say, well, it's hot during the day and you're suffering with dehydration.

02:31:51.000 Why didn't you walk at night time?

02:31:53.000 And you've got the Amur pit vipers, the snakes.

02:31:57.000 You stand on the back end of them because you don't see it. 0.99

02:31:59.000 You're pretty screwed. 0.97

02:32:01.000 But you've also got the tracks. 0.98

02:32:02.000 You need to be able to see in the distance the tracks splitting off because you'll come across...

02:32:07.000 Almost like a junction of four to five different tracks that are splitting off.

02:32:11.000 That's when you need your map and compass to be like, oh, which one, which track should I go down, you know?

02:32:15.000 Terrifying.

02:32:16.000 Oh, my God.

02:32:17.000 I can't even imagine.

02:32:18.000 And you can't communicate if you come across, if you're lucky to come across locals as well, they'll just point you in the wrong direction.

02:32:24.000 They'll normally point you in their community, which is down south, up north, and you're trying to go east.

02:32:28.000 They're trying to say, no, I want to go that way.

02:32:30.000 They're like, no, no, no, next community is this way.

02:32:32.000 I don't want the next community.

02:32:34.000 I want to walk to the most eastern, you know, so it gets difficult.

02:32:38.000 But yeah, that was always a threat.

02:32:40.000 The dehydration in Mongolia really terrified me.

02:32:43.000 Now what happens if a standstorm covers the track up?

02:32:47.000 Yeah, back to your map and compass and just hoping that you can be aware of the people around you, hoping you've got enough water, hoping you make it to another community or settlement.

02:32:56.000 Fun.

02:32:56.000 Whereas the jungle, harsh environment, spiders-wise, snake-wise, etc.

02:33:01.000 But at the same time, you've always got water.

02:33:04.000 You can hack in the bamboo and it just leaks out water.

02:33:06.000 You've always got food.

02:33:07.000 Does anybody know where you are?

02:33:09.000 Yeah, I had a tracking device, especially for Mission Yangtze because it was Guinness World Record.

02:33:14.000 We set off a tracker and every five minutes it'd come up with my speed.

02:33:18.000 So even if I jumped in a car or on a bicycle, boom, every five minutes it's my speed, it's my altitude, my longitude, latitude, coordinates, distance covered.

02:33:26.000 Whether I'm active and you'll zoom in and you can see my current location within five meters and that was part of the interactivity so I wanted to make this expedition as interactive as possible for the full year of like sharing blogs, videos, live streams, photos,

02:33:42.000 getting people to join.

02:33:44.000 Again, presenting in schools, getting the kids out litter-picking along the Yangtze River, filming for the documentary, which we're securing, international documentary, The Mission Yangtze Will Go Out.

02:33:57.000 So that's exciting.

02:33:59.000 So all of this was very exciting.

02:34:02.000 Very well planned, very well in terms of the interactivity.

02:34:07.000 It's like six months of survival, six months of interacting with all the locals and just sharing it, getting out there as best as we possibly could.

02:34:15.000 So I was heavily on the radar with the GPS systems, the trackers, the lot.

02:34:20.000 Wow.

02:34:20.000 Well, listen, man, you got an infectious sort of way of talking about this that makes me almost want to do something like this.

02:34:26.000 Yeah, come join me!

02:34:28.000 No way!

02:34:28.000 But it does make me appreciate what you've done in a unique way, because I can see how it's affected you.

02:34:35.000 And what we were saying earlier about things being, when you do something incredibly difficult like that, it sort of enhances you as a person, enhances your view of the world.

02:34:45.000 You have just more things you've seen.

02:34:47.000 Like, how old are you?

02:34:48.000 29. Yeah, for the average 29-year-old person, there's no comparison.

02:34:54.000 The things that you see and the way you've experienced them in a very difficult way.

02:35:01.000 It's a very courageous way, too.

02:35:04.000 The way you're just asking people for food.

02:35:08.000 Like, it's kind of nuts.

02:35:09.000 Yeah.

02:35:11.000 Yeah, that's it.

02:35:12.000 I appreciate it, man.

02:35:13.000 It's really cool.

02:35:15.000 But again, you know, normal upbringing, normal background.

02:35:18.000 So again, I do all of these school talks, corporate talks, and that's the main message that I want to portray.

02:35:23.000 There's no financial background.

02:35:25.000 There's no even university degree, no military background.

02:35:28.000 Sort of just working through hard work, you know.

02:35:31.000 If I can do it, you can do it type of message.

02:35:34.000 You know, it's out there.

02:35:35.000 Just got to hold your vision, hold your dream, protect it.

02:35:38.000 It doesn't matter what else anyone says and it doesn't matter if they don't see it for you.

02:35:42.000 What's important is if you can see it for yourself.

02:35:44.000 Also, you have to be a special person to be able to do this. 0.64

02:35:48.000 All you knuckleheads out there that are thinking, I'm going to go walk across Africa now. 0.88

02:35:53.000 Don't! 0.98

02:35:55.000 Don't! 0.57

02:35:56.000 Discourage people.

02:35:58.000 Preparation.

02:35:59.000 Yeah, for sure.

02:35:59.000 And do it the way you've done it, the right way.

02:36:01.000 That's it.

02:36:02.000 Well, listen, thank you for coming here, man.

02:36:04.000 Thank you for having me.

02:36:05.000 I really enjoyed talking to you.

02:36:06.000 It was really cool.

02:36:07.000 And like I said, your story is...

02:36:09.000 It's very, very inspirational, man.

02:36:11.000 But it's also, it's exciting.

02:36:13.000 I like to know there's people like you out there.

02:36:14.000 Oh, that's great.

02:36:15.000 So thank you.

02:36:16.000 Thanks, buddy.

02:36:16.000 Oh, tell people how to follow you on Instagram.

02:36:19.000 Yeah, on the Instagram, it's just ash underscore dykes. 1.00

02:36:22.000 Is everything ash underscore dykes? 1.00

02:36:24.000 Yeah, everything's ash dykes. 1.00

02:36:25.000 Twitter as well?

02:36:25.000 Twitter, Facebook, YouTube.

02:36:27.000 And that's D-Y-K-E-S? D-Y-K-E-S. Yes. 0.99

02:36:30.000 Okay, beautiful.

02:36:30.000 Thank you, sir.

02:36:31.000 Thank you very much.

02:36:32.000 Bye, everybody.

02:36:36.000 That was fun, man.

The Joe Rogan Experience - January 14, 2020

Joe Rogan Experience #1410 - Ash Dykes

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