The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1414 - Mike Baker

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00:00:03.000 Hello, Mike Baker.

00:00:04.000 Hello.

00:00:05.000 Good to see you, buddy.

00:00:06.000 Thank you very much.

00:00:06.000 Thanks for having me back on.

00:00:07.000 My pleasure.

00:00:08.000 So tell me what's up.

00:00:09.000 Are we in trouble?

00:00:10.000 What's going on, man?

00:00:11.000 It's World War III. Haven't you heard?

00:00:12.000 Is it?

00:00:13.000 No.

00:00:14.000 No, it's not.

00:00:14.000 No, I'm here to burst that bubble, I think.

00:00:17.000 Not that everyone's going to say, okay, I'm writing this down.

00:00:19.000 Mike said no World War III. But it was amazing how fast the...

00:00:24.000 I'll put that closer there.

00:00:26.000 It was amazing how fast the narrative came out.

00:00:29.000 Yeah.

00:00:29.000 I mean, we barely smoked Soleimani and...

00:00:32.000 Suddenly, the current president's going to get us into this conflict.

00:00:37.000 I was nervous.

00:00:38.000 Well, I think everybody stepped back because it was such a shock to the system.

00:00:42.000 I mean, when was the last time we dealt with Iran in this fashion? 1.00

00:00:44.000 I mean, as opposed to like a harshly worded demarche or a note or maybe an extra sanction here or there.

00:00:51.000 But it was such a strange development that I think it did – and the natural reaction was to say, oh my god, here we go.

00:01:00.000 Certainly, everybody's exhausted from 19 years out there.

00:01:05.000 I was shocked that Trump could make that call.

00:01:10.000 Because they had a bunch of different options. 1.00

00:01:13.000 Or we could kill him. 1.00

00:01:14.000 He's like, let's kill him. 1.00

00:01:15.000 I was like, whoa, I didn't know you could do that. 0.99

00:01:18.000 Well, you know what?

00:01:19.000 He's been a target before.

00:01:21.000 I guess I should first say where I stand on this, which is I'm not mourning his passing.

00:01:29.000 I think he deserved it.

00:01:31.000 I think it was justice that should have been served up some time ago.

00:01:33.000 He's responsible, not just for, as people have talked about, the hundreds of U.S. servicemen.

00:01:39.000 But thousands and thousands of people. 0.98

00:01:41.000 This guy was a completely bloodthirsty douchebag. 0.97

00:01:46.000 I mean there's no way about it. 0.96

00:01:47.000 And we're talking about the second most – structure-wise, the second most important person within the Iranian regime next to the Ayatollah.

00:01:56.000 But the idea that somehow we took out a foreign leader or a military general like he was some sort of Eisenhower is insane.

00:02:06.000 The guy was a mob boss. 0.63

00:02:07.000 He was the head terrorist for a state that is the number one sponsor of terrorism around the world. 0.62

00:02:13.000 And so, but he's been on target lists for a long time.

00:02:19.000 You go back to, I think, 2008, there was an operation to take out a guy named Mugnia, who himself was also a bloodthirsty psychopath, and he was running Hezbollah operations. 0.88

00:02:33.000 So the Israelis had been tracking him, as had we.

00:02:38.000 And at one point, they had an opportunity to take out Mugnya and also Soleimani.

00:02:44.000 And they backed off at the time, essentially because the U.S. wouldn't get behind the idea that we're going to take out Soleimani.

00:02:51.000 At that point, that was a step too far.

00:02:54.000 So eventually, we got Mugnya.

00:02:57.000 But Soleimani is just...

00:02:59.000 I mean, I don't even know where to start with...

00:03:01.000 The amount of blood that he's responsible for.

00:03:05.000 People talk about again, okay, he authorized operations and activities in Iraq against U.S. soldiers and against Iraqi soldiers and Iraqi civilians.

00:03:12.000 But it goes back to the beginning of that.

00:03:15.000 I mean, you could go back to 2003. And Soleimani was the architect.

00:03:22.000 He dreamt up this idea as the U.S. was going into Iraq that What he did was insane.

00:03:31.000 He basically authorized – I mean he's in charge, right?

00:03:34.000 So he authorizes the release of a bunch of Sunnis that they've been holding on to, Iran being Shiite, arch rivals being the Sunnis essentially, and the Saudis are their arch enemy, a Sunni nation. 0.66

00:03:48.000 But he released all these Sunni extremists that Iran had been holding on to essentially ever since we had gone into Afghanistan right after 9-11. 0.79

00:03:56.000 And he released them into Iraq, including a guy named Zarqawi, who became the head of al-Qaeda in Iraq.

00:04:02.000 And within a few months of getting out to Iraq, the Sunnis, basically under Soleimani's tutelage... 0.97

00:04:12.000 He had a series of bombings and started bombing everything from Shiite mosques to UN facilities, a Jordanian embassy, a variety of targets, killing thousands of Shiites.

00:04:24.000 Now he's a Shiite, right? 1.00

00:04:26.000 So this is how bad this guy is.

00:04:28.000 He goes into Iraq with this plan that I'm going to push the Shiite In Iraq to Iran. 1.00

00:04:35.000 I'm going to make them come to us for protection, for coverage, essentially.

00:04:39.000 We can ride in there because what does he want?

00:04:41.000 He wants to exert their influence within Iraq.

00:04:43.000 He doesn't want a strong Iraq. 1.00

00:04:44.000 He doesn't want the U.S. in there building a strong, stable Iraq.

00:04:48.000 I mean, you go back to the Iran-Iraq war where Soleimani started his military career.

00:04:53.000 And, you know, he's not – there's no way – he's a true believer.

00:04:56.000 There's no way he's ever going to let Iraq become stable again. 1.00

00:04:59.000 And he's insane enough that he kills thousands of Shiite, his own people, right, in order to push the Shiite population in Iraq to Iran, right? 0.94

00:05:13.000 I don't know if I'm... 0.95

00:05:14.000 I may not be being eloquent enough, but...

00:05:16.000 So, like, false flag operations?

00:05:17.000 Who is he blaming these bombings on?

00:05:18.000 Yeah, it's the Sunnis.

00:05:19.000 The Sunnis are doing it. 0.91

00:05:20.000 The Sunnis extremists. 0.99

00:05:21.000 Yeah, but he's authorized and he's pushed them into Iraq. 0.71

00:05:25.000 To do this.

00:05:26.000 And so he was always very unusually capable at walking a fine line between his own Shiite beliefs, population and everything and at times being able to be sort of a puppet master for Sunni extremists when it suited his cause. 0.75

00:05:46.000 Anyway, it's fascinating stuff.

00:05:48.000 Whether it was dealing with Hezbollah or the Palestinian Islamic Jihad or whomever, he...

00:05:57.000 Again, I keep going back to the same thing.

00:05:59.000 He deserved what he got, no doubt in my mind.

00:06:03.000 And I'm just surprised it didn't happen sooner, maybe not from us, but from others.

00:06:07.000 Back in October, the Iranians claimed they foiled an assassination attempt against Soleimani by Israel and some unnamed Arab agents.

00:06:17.000 So it's not as if we just plucked his name out.

00:06:21.000 He'd spent two decades engaged in death and mayhem.

00:06:28.000 Now, the take on him dying has not been like the take on Baghdadi.

00:06:33.000 One of the most disturbing things that I saw was the Washington Post called him an asture religious scholar.

00:06:38.000 Did you see that?

00:06:40.000 Yeah.

00:06:41.000 When that guy died, they called him an asture religious scholar. 0.98

00:06:45.000 People that I talked to that understand who he was and what was going on there were fucking fuming. 0.97

00:06:51.000 They were like, what is this? 1.00

00:06:53.000 Who the fuck wrote this? 1.00

00:06:55.000 You're talking about a goddamn terrorist, a real, legitimate, murderous terrorist, and you're calling him an asture religious scholar. 1.00

00:07:02.000 Right. 1.00

00:07:02.000 You're giving him this credibility. 1.00

00:07:04.000 I don't understand that either.

00:07:05.000 I saw that, and I talked to a handful of people who kind of leaned in that direction.

00:07:12.000 And also, you get the same thing with Soleimani.

00:07:14.000 Now, Soleimani, I can understand, he's wrapped in the cloak of a military uniform and, you know, people saw him sitting next to the Ayatollah.

00:07:21.000 Okay.

00:07:22.000 But I look at it the same way.

00:07:25.000 This is not assassinating a foreign leader.

00:07:29.000 This is not assassinating a revered scholar. 0.98

00:07:31.000 This is taking out terrorists, bloodthirsty terrorists who have a long track record Of killing people.

00:07:40.000 And he was not choosy, right?

00:07:45.000 With Soleimani, we're talking about, again, Iraqis, Yemenis, Syrians, his own people.

00:07:55.000 I mean, you know, they talk about maybe some 1,500 or so protesters, you know, being killed in Iran in the past few months as a result of the protests against the Iranian regime, primarily because of corruption, you know, the fact that they've driven that economy into a toilet at the expense of the Iranian people,

00:08:12.000 lack of rights of any sort.

00:08:14.000 And Soleimani, again, is the head of the Quds Force.

00:08:18.000 The number two person there, he's responsible.

00:08:21.000 So I don't understand anybody who doesn't just say, yeah – and I think the left had a hard time with it.

00:08:26.000 The hard left, you saw them spinning a little bit saying, okay, we don't say he shouldn't have gotten it.

00:08:31.000 We don't say he didn't deserve it.

00:08:33.000 But – and then they had to try to figure out some way because it's all got to be about politics now.

00:08:37.000 So they had to bring it back to the current president, to Trump.

00:08:39.000 Whenever Trump does anything, even if what he does is fantastic, they can't get behind it.

00:08:43.000 They almost have to go against things that are great.

00:08:46.000 Like if the economy is great, they've got to find a reason why it's bad that the economy is great.

00:08:50.000 And if his decisions lead to something positive, they can't accept it.

00:08:55.000 It's unfortunate.

00:08:56.000 Well, we've lost our ability to, I think, to look at things just in an objective fashion, in any sense of the word, objective.

00:09:04.000 Or certainly, we don't have civil conversations anymore, but the idea that we can look at And separate the politics from it.

00:09:10.000 Look, again, I don't care whether people like Trump or not.

00:09:14.000 I didn't vote for him.

00:09:15.000 I don't necessarily care for the individual.

00:09:18.000 But that doesn't mean I can't like policies.

00:09:20.000 And whether you're talking about what's going on with Iran, whether you're talking about the way that we've been dealing with China lately, other issues.

00:09:27.000 Hey, I liked President Obama.

00:09:31.000 Didn't like his policies.

00:09:33.000 I don't necessarily like Trump.

00:09:35.000 I like his policies.

00:09:36.000 I don't see any conflict there.

00:09:39.000 Anyway.

00:09:39.000 No, I don't see any conflict there.

00:09:40.000 I mean, people are complicated.

00:09:42.000 And I just didn't know that Trump could make the call.

00:09:45.000 Like, he could be the guy that goes, take him out. 0.99

00:09:48.000 I thought that was like, there was probably a panel of military leaders and like really important people that understand the ramifications, not a fucking game show host. 0.92

00:09:57.000 Yeah, like in America's Got Talent or something, but it's just four people sitting there hitting a buzzer.

00:10:02.000 I felt like it would be like something that they would discuss, not that Trump would be like, yeah, option three.

00:10:08.000 Well, but they talk about it, and there is a great deal of conversation that goes on, not necessarily with the president.

00:10:13.000 I have no idea how he processes his information, but there's a great deal of conversation and discussion that goes on in the Pentagon within the intel community and National Security Council.

00:10:24.000 What happens once they lay out these options in front of the president?

00:10:29.000 Don't have a clue.

00:10:30.000 But he does have that authority.

00:10:32.000 He's got that ability.

00:10:33.000 And President Obama had that authority.

00:10:34.000 President Obama took out, remember, U.S. citizens who were overseas in the Middle East.

00:10:41.000 And there was a hue and cry over sort of the legality of it.

00:10:46.000 But you didn't see a lot of people saying, you know, and in part, okay, I admit, because it wasn't, again, this, you know, Soleimani's wrapped in the cloak of his military uniform.

00:10:55.000 Well, it's also, people are very concerned about this possibility of us going to war with Iran, and they think that this might have, like, started that off.

00:11:02.000 Yeah.

00:11:03.000 Yeah, I think what changed the calculus here is... 0.70

00:11:07.000 Iran is – the regime is brutal and awful.

00:11:11.000 They're not crazy. 0.89

00:11:13.000 And the one thing they want more than anything else is to retain power.

00:11:16.000 That's it.

00:11:17.000 And I think they looked at the idea of a military conflict, a direct military conflict with the U.S. And this is not to say that their proxies won't strike out at some place around the world at some point.

00:11:29.000 I think?

00:11:48.000 Again, I think they looked and felt like the calculus in dealing with the U.S. has shifted now.

00:11:52.000 And they don't understand it.

00:11:54.000 They're not comfortable with it.

00:11:55.000 And also they can't afford it.

00:11:57.000 Look, if we got in a military conflict, that was just the idea that somehow we were going to get in World War III. It would be over in an evening.

00:12:03.000 Literally, it would be over in one night.

00:12:05.000 We have the ability to take out their entire energy infrastructure, their missile bases, their key military facilities, And I don't want to oversimplify this, but after that first night's activity, that's it.

00:12:20.000 They're done.

00:12:21.000 So the idea that somehow there's going to be...

00:12:22.000 Now, does that mean that we should do that?

00:12:24.000 Of course not.

00:12:25.000 Nobody wants a military conflict.

00:12:27.000 But, you know, and again, there would be knock-on repercussions, etc., etc.

00:12:32.000 So hopefully we can sort this thing out through, now that we're doing the military deterrence, and they understand that we're serious.

00:12:39.000 We've got the economic pressures, we've got diplomatic pressure, primarily to keep them isolated.

00:12:44.000 I think, you know, I think we're on the right track with Iran. 1.00

00:12:47.000 I think we're going to see a different reaction from them.

00:12:49.000 Well, I was a little bit relieved when they attacked back And just sort of like launched missiles on the outside of bases.

00:12:57.000 Nobody died.

00:12:58.000 I was like, okay, so it seems like this is almost like they're making a signal like they're attacking, but they're not really doing anything.

00:13:06.000 Yeah, I think there was an optic to it.

00:13:08.000 I think you're right, absolutely, that they felt like they had to do something.

00:13:11.000 The Ayatollahs got a, I don't know whether you call it, saving face or not, but...

00:13:16.000 And we had a warning.

00:13:17.000 We had a warning ahead of time.

00:13:19.000 And didn't they print in their paper, didn't they say that they killed a bunch of people?

00:13:23.000 They did.

00:13:23.000 In the missile attack?

00:13:24.000 Yeah, they claimed about 80 or so, I think.

00:13:26.000 Keep saying it.

00:13:27.000 Right, exactly.

00:13:27.000 Just whatever it takes.

00:13:28.000 But look at the reaction that we've had.

00:13:32.000 Of course, the Ukrainian commercial passenger jet went down.

00:13:38.000 And that was them, right?

00:13:40.000 Oh, that was definitely them.

00:13:42.000 So do you think that they shot it down because they thought it was a U.S. military plane?

00:13:46.000 Yeah, look, it's not unprecedented.

00:13:49.000 I mean, we shot down an Iranian passenger jet years and years ago, right? 1.00

00:13:52.000 The Russians shot down, they still won't admit to it, but they shot down a passenger jet over Ukraine just a handful of years ago, which they still won't admit to.

00:14:04.000 It's human error, and it's human error in a conflict zone, in a situation where there's a lot of moving parts.

00:14:11.000 And it's never going to be a zero-risk game.

00:14:13.000 So if the Iranians had done this, as tragic as it is, and come out and said, oh my god, we did this. 0.99

00:14:19.000 Okay.

00:14:21.000 It would have been horrific, but they did this to themselves because they just couldn't bring themselves to be truthful.

00:14:29.000 They've got a long track record of not.

00:14:32.000 And so they engaged in this and shot it down.

00:14:37.000 When you find missile...

00:14:39.000 In a field where you're doing an investigation of a plane crash, that's a pretty good indication.

00:14:46.000 And then there's the video on top of that.

00:14:48.000 Oh, there is a video of the missile hitting the plane?

00:14:50.000 Yeah, two missiles.

00:14:51.000 Oh, Jesus Christ.

00:14:52.000 Yeah, 30 seconds apart.

00:14:53.000 Roughly 30 seconds apart.

00:14:55.000 It took two missiles to bring down a plane?

00:14:57.000 Yeah, it hit the first one.

00:14:59.000 The first one hit.

00:15:01.000 And then about 30 seconds later, not quite 30 seconds later, the second missile hits.

00:15:05.000 There's another fireball.

00:15:07.000 And the plane stays up in the air for, you know...

00:15:09.000 A period of time just because it's not devastated but it was some 20 miles from the airport.

00:15:17.000 It had actually kind of made it as if it was turning back to the airport probably right after that first missile hit.

00:15:23.000 But here's the thing.

00:15:25.000 I mean that was – so that's a tragic disaster right there, right?

00:15:28.000 But the idea that – nobody is actually saying they did it on purpose.

00:15:32.000 They didn't do it on purpose.

00:15:33.000 They did it – it was an accident.

00:15:34.000 They mistook it for either an incoming missile or a hostile aircraft coming in for a bombing run after they launched their ballistic missile strike.

00:15:45.000 So nobody is saying it was done on purpose.

00:15:48.000 But it's – Again, it's indicative of the Revolutionary Guard force and the regime itself that they spent several days denying it and saying it was mechanical failure and pressuring the Ukrainians to come out and say it was mechanical failure,

00:16:06.000 which they then reversed course on that once it became obvious.

00:16:11.000 Yeah, so it's a tragic situation.

00:16:13.000 But now the protests out in the streets of Iran, which are a continuation of the past several months, which were targeted at a corrupt regime, have picked up strength in light of that because the people are just – we're tired of this.

00:16:27.000 And who knows where it's going to go?

00:16:29.000 I suspect, unfortunately, I'm fairly cynical about all this.

00:16:31.000 We've been hoping the Iranian population would kind of rise up.

00:16:35.000 For decades.

00:16:37.000 And it doesn't happen because it's a pretty brutal regime.

00:16:40.000 We don't understand that.

00:16:41.000 We don't understand how difficult they are, right?

00:16:45.000 And how serious-minded they are about holding on to power.

00:16:47.000 So every now and then we think, okay, here come the protests.

00:16:49.000 It's going to topple the regime.

00:16:51.000 It doesn't happen.

00:16:52.000 So maybe it's different this time.

00:16:55.000 I don't think so.

00:16:57.000 Now, were you concerned at all?

00:16:59.000 And this is one of the things when you say that we could...

00:17:02.000 Go in there and level them in a day.

00:17:04.000 The real issue is their allies, right?

00:17:07.000 The real issue is China and Russia.

00:17:10.000 Yeah, but they're not going to do anything.

00:17:11.000 China and Russia aren't going to do anything.

00:17:13.000 It's not in their best interest.

00:17:14.000 And if they're consistent about one thing, both those countries, it's that they act in their own best interest.

00:17:20.000 And they would look at that and go, yeah, I'm sorry.

00:17:22.000 I mean, look, so what are we dealing with in that immediate area?

00:17:26.000 Yeah.

00:17:27.000 Iran's closest ally is Syria.

00:17:30.000 Soleimani spent billions of Iranian dollars or money that they couldn't afford to and that should have been spent on its population arming, training, equipping and dealing with the Syrian war and keeping his pal Assad in power.

00:17:54.000 So Iran and Syria are tied together, but is Syria in a position to somehow rise up and engage?

00:18:02.000 This is not going to be – this wouldn't have been a conflict as we imagine it, right?

00:18:08.000 It wouldn't be a conflict of occupying space and ground and all the rest of it.

00:18:12.000 Nobody wants it.

00:18:13.000 Nobody needs it.

00:18:13.000 It's not good for anybody.

00:18:15.000 I'm not saying that.

00:18:16.000 I'm just saying that in the scheme of things, we would have overwhelming – Superiority.

00:18:25.000 Superiority, yeah.

00:18:26.000 And yeah, I can't imagine a scenario where Russia would come in. 0.51

00:18:31.000 In fact, we would probably, as anybody would, we would say, okay, look, the Russian military is in Syria.

00:18:38.000 We're going to liaise with you.

00:18:39.000 We're going to advise you. 1.00

00:18:41.000 Shit's coming down. 0.99

00:18:43.000 Because the last thing we want to do is drag them into it by hitting some of their facilities or personnel or whatever. 0.98

00:18:48.000 So there would be that level of coordination, which there always is no matter who the parties are.

00:18:52.000 There's always some element of coordination.

00:18:55.000 But anyway, yeah, I don't see that happening.

00:18:58.000 I think we've averted that.

00:18:59.000 I hope we've averted sort of further military conflict.

00:19:04.000 I think, again, I think the Iranian regime understands that it's a new day, perhaps, that they'll come to the table eventually.

00:19:11.000 That's what this whole maximum pressure campaign is about.

00:19:14.000 Is to, again, create sufficient economic pressure, ensure that they understand the idea of deterrence, which I think they do after this strike on Soleimani.

00:19:26.000 And that goes back a ways.

00:19:28.000 This wasn't just like something that just – they thought of after an American contractor was killed.

00:19:33.000 The Iranian regime had been ratcheting up their aggressiveness and their attacks and their various operations on that region for quite a while.

00:19:41.000 And we had been talking to them about it or getting the signal to them that you've got to stop this.

00:19:46.000 And back in December, they were told, if you continue this path, we are going to take serious action.

00:19:53.000 And we did.

00:19:54.000 How difficult is it to get intelligence on what they're up to and what they're planning, what they're responsible for?

00:20:02.000 When you're here in America, how do we do it?

00:20:07.000 Who's over there?

00:20:08.000 How do they do that?

00:20:09.000 How do they find out exactly what these guys are up to?

00:20:12.000 Well, a lot of it's old-school human intelligence, right?

00:20:16.000 So through sources.

00:20:17.000 And a lot of that sourcing comes from our allies.

00:20:20.000 So whether it's the Israelis or the Jordanians or the Saudis or whomever.

00:20:24.000 So they know someone who's on the inside?

00:20:27.000 Or like, how does it work?

00:20:28.000 They've got a source.

00:20:29.000 They've got some recruited asset.

00:20:30.000 You know, Iran's always been a tough target for us, just like North Korea is a tough target.

00:20:35.000 And so we rely heavily on our liaison partners.

00:20:39.000 And But oftentimes, no matter how good your signals intelligence is, right, no matter how good you are at gathering SIGINT or photo interpretation of overhead imagery, it's still, to this day,

00:20:54.000 no matter how good technology gets, you can't beat having an asset, having a human who's sitting in a meeting somewhere, and then for whatever their motivation is, whatever their reason for doing it, they're cooperating with you or our liaison partners, and they're saying, well, here's what happens.

00:21:08.000 Or here's how that person looked, right?

00:21:11.000 I mean, maybe you get signals intelligence because you're picking up, you know, communications.

00:21:15.000 And then what do you got?

00:21:16.000 You got something on a piece of paper and you're reading a transcript of a meeting.

00:21:20.000 But if you've got somebody who's in that meeting and who can tell you what people looked like or what the actual atmosphere was or the mood or the way that, I mean, that's invaluable.

00:21:27.000 And so we rely a great deal on that.

00:21:29.000 But you basically, you hoover up everything you can from all the various different types of Of intelligence capabilities.

00:21:37.000 But it's a tough target.

00:21:39.000 I mean there's no doubt about it.

00:21:40.000 I mean that's why this whole nuclear weapons program with Iran has always been so difficult. 0.78

00:21:46.000 I mean you talk to people and they go, well, they've got about a – They've got about a 12-month breakout time before they'd have a nuclear weapon.

00:21:53.000 And then other people say, well, I think they've got about a three-month breakout time.

00:21:56.000 Well, when you're talking about how long it's going to take them to have a nuclear weapon, you'd like to get those parameters a little closer together, right, so that you're not having a complete guess.

00:22:04.000 But it's tough.

00:22:06.000 And we spend a lot of time working on that.

00:22:11.000 But I would say that we have tremendous allies in that region and – I know that people – it's fashionable nowadays to say, well, the Trump administration, we've been pushing away our allies and they don't want to work with us.

00:22:25.000 You know what?

00:22:25.000 They do.

00:22:26.000 And in part because, again, it's the same old story.

00:22:29.000 It's in their best interest.

00:22:30.000 Is there any benefit to having someone like Trump who's very difficult to read? 0.94

00:22:38.000 Because he's what – You know, he's the kind of guy like when Baghdadi was killed, he said he died like a dog. 1.00

00:22:46.000 He says crazy shit. 1.00

00:22:48.000 And he talks about, like with Iran, that they might respond back with disproportionate results. 1.00

00:22:57.000 Or with a disproportionate response in comparison to the initial attack.

00:23:01.000 Or the cultural sites.

00:23:03.000 The 52 cultural sites.

00:23:05.000 But that was so crazy. 0.99

00:23:06.000 To represent the 52 people that were kidnapped in the fucking Carter administration? 0.99

00:23:11.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:23:12.000 What?

00:23:12.000 We don't really need to go with the symbolism, fellas.

00:23:15.000 We can just pick some targets, but let's not pick the cultural sites. 0.53

00:23:18.000 Yeah, that seems ridiculous.

00:23:19.000 Why would you do that? 0.85

00:23:20.000 Those are historic.

00:23:21.000 Well, you know what?

00:23:22.000 That's where I say, look, I understand why people...

00:23:25.000 Oh, my God.

00:23:27.000 But at the same time, that doesn't mean you can't like policies that are in place.

00:23:31.000 So I always put that out there.

00:23:32.000 I get it. 0.98

00:23:33.000 That's ridiculous. 0.99

00:23:34.000 And it's a self-inflicted wound. 0.98

00:23:36.000 And you could argue that most of the problems they deal with out of this White House are self-inflicted wounds because there's a lack of discipline.

00:23:43.000 It'd be nice if the president was more buttoned up.

00:23:45.000 Of course, that's not going to be the way it works.

00:23:47.000 I think, I don't know why I know, but he firmly believes, I think, that this is why he got elected.

00:23:53.000 I think it is why he got elected.

00:23:55.000 Really?

00:23:55.000 Yeah, I think a lot of why he got elected is because he's wild.

00:23:59.000 And people like it.

00:24:00.000 They like it.

00:24:00.000 They like something different.

00:24:02.000 They're tired of these people that sound like politicians. 1.00

00:24:04.000 You know, you hear, you know, pick a person, Elizabeth Warren, you hear them talk, and you feel the bullshit coming out of their mouth while they're talking. 0.99

00:24:11.000 You know that they're playing a role. 1.00

00:24:13.000 With Trump, he might be arrogant, he might be crazy, he might be ridiculous, but that's him. 1.00

00:24:19.000 That's that guy. 1.00

00:24:20.000 I bet if you're around him all day long, he's like that.

00:24:23.000 I mean, that's one of the things that people like about him.

00:24:27.000 He's like that all the time.

00:24:28.000 That's who he is. 0.99

00:24:30.000 He doesn't need to bullshit. 0.99

00:24:32.000 He's Donald Trump. 1.00

00:24:33.000 He's a fucking multi-billionaire who is now the President of the United States. 1.00

00:24:37.000 So it's like he doesn't feel the need to put on an act for anybody. 1.00

00:24:41.000 So when he comes out and says he died like a dog, that's how he would talk.

00:24:46.000 Yeah.

00:24:46.000 No, I think the consistency – I think you're right.

00:24:49.000 There is an element of – look, I am tired of the bullshit.

00:24:52.000 I mean I see what you're saying, but I guess what I think then is – I mean what are the chances that you get to – well, we're in 2020. Look at that. 0.96

00:25:00.000 But we get down to November to the election, and people are just exhausted by it.

00:25:03.000 So they wanted something different.

00:25:05.000 Now they've had it.

00:25:06.000 Are they going to get to this point in November and get ready to vote and think, I can't take another four years of it even though it's entertaining?

00:25:12.000 I'm exhausted.

00:25:13.000 Yeah.

00:25:13.000 People don't like change.

00:25:14.000 They get scared of change.

00:25:16.000 And if things are going well economically, and if it turns out that this thing with Iran doesn't turn into anything disastrous by the time November rolls around, I think he's going to win in a landslide.

00:25:27.000 I don't see...

00:25:28.000 Unless...

00:25:29.000 Bernie Sanders and Tulsi Gabbard get together, and then everybody goes, you know what, that would work.

00:25:35.000 This is a real combination of people that I could get behind.

00:25:39.000 Unless it's something like that, where there's some overwhelming candidate, but I don't see that.

00:25:43.000 And they seem to be pushing for Elizabeth Warren.

00:25:46.000 I don't see that.

00:25:47.000 She was a Republican most of her career, and then she became a Democrat when she was in her late 40s.

00:25:54.000 I find maybe it's just me, but I don't see a consistent policy message there.

00:26:00.000 I don't see...

00:26:02.000 I don't see that happening for her, this go-around.

00:26:06.000 Maybe it'll change, maybe it needs, I don't know.

00:26:09.000 The problem is I feel like these people just want to be president.

00:26:13.000 I feel like it's a self-aggrandizement thing.

00:26:15.000 They just want to be president.

00:26:16.000 I think you could argue that about anybody in politics.

00:26:19.000 You've met that person, right, who's in politics now, who started out by being head of the Republican or Democrat club in high school.

00:26:27.000 That's all they want to do.

00:26:28.000 Then they're a state senator, and then they say, Oh, am I going to run for Congress? 1.00

00:26:31.000 And you think, what the fuck? 0.99

00:26:32.000 I mean, it's got to be something, you know, the wiring's off a little bit. 0.99

00:26:38.000 Yeah, for sure.

00:26:38.000 That's the problem, right?

00:26:40.000 Anybody that wants to be president, you wouldn't want to be president.

00:26:44.000 Well, I mean, I think if you look at who they've got on the other side, I mean, I thought for a while that maybe the Republicans are going to primary Trump. 0.96

00:26:54.000 And then I realized that's a crazy ass idea. 0.81

00:26:56.000 No one's ever going to do that. 0.80

00:26:57.000 No one's going to get in there.

00:26:59.000 Go against him?

00:27:00.000 Stir it up with him for a primary.

00:27:01.000 Who?

00:27:02.000 Who?

00:27:03.000 There's no one that stands out.

00:27:04.000 You would need someone that already stands out.

00:27:07.000 I mean, here we are in January.

00:27:08.000 You would need someone that already stands out.

00:27:10.000 We're talking about doing something 10 months from now.

00:27:12.000 You need someone that's already in the public eye.

00:27:14.000 You can't just jump to the head of the line like that.

00:27:17.000 Especially from the Republican side.

00:27:20.000 Say he wins again in 2020. He's got four years.

00:27:22.000 I'll tell you one person I would love to see jump in.

00:27:24.000 I don't think she'd ever do it, but it would be Condoleezza Rice. 0.93

00:27:28.000 Just super smart, good person, terrific.

00:27:32.000 I don't know.

00:27:33.000 But again, I don't think that's going to happen.

00:27:36.000 I don't know that we've...

00:27:37.000 Do you think she would run for president? 0.97

00:27:41.000 I mean, I would like to think so.

00:27:42.000 I doubt it.

00:27:43.000 She hasn't shown any interest in it.

00:27:44.000 I think she's enjoying private life too much. 0.98

00:27:46.000 Yeah, I mean, all the shit she went through with the Iraq war and everything. 0.99

00:27:50.000 She's probably like, can't take that. 1.00

00:27:52.000 Stick it up your ass. 1.00

00:27:53.000 I'm going to hang out at my ranch or whatever the fuck she's got. 1.00

00:27:56.000 Don't they all have ranches? 0.99

00:27:58.000 I always figured they all go to Wyoming.

00:28:00.000 Anybody who comes out of the Republican administration has got to have a ranch.

00:28:03.000 You get a ranch somewhere and you lay low.

00:28:05.000 Like Cheney, he's got a ranch.

00:28:07.000 He's definitely got a ranch.

00:28:09.000 That's a ranch guy.

00:28:10.000 Bush has got a ranch.

00:28:11.000 I think he'd be better aimed, but he's got a ranch.

00:28:13.000 Better aimed.

00:28:13.000 Well, I think he was a little drunk at the time.

00:28:16.000 That was one of my favorite times.

00:28:18.000 He shot his friend in his face and his friend apologized.

00:28:20.000 Yeah. 0.91

00:28:20.000 That's how gangster Dick Cheney is. 0.91

00:28:22.000 Yeah, I'm sorry I got my face in the way, sir.

00:28:25.000 I shouldn't have done that.

00:28:25.000 His friend was like, I'm sorry, I look like a quail, sir.

00:28:29.000 I got my oldest boy for Christmas, 12 years old, a great, great, great kid scooter.

00:28:35.000 I got him an Airsoft, a Glock replica.

00:28:40.000 And I didn't know much about airsoft, right?

00:28:42.000 I mean who does?

00:28:43.000 I mean I've got a walk-in safe full of weapons but none of them are airsoft weapons.

00:28:47.000 But he really wanted one of his buddies to have them and they go out shooting and they do the old school thing, right?

00:28:52.000 They put on a couple of layers of clothes and some eye protection and they go shoot each other.

00:28:56.000 So, how could I say no?

00:28:58.000 So, we go to the store, this combat supply shop that specializes in airsoft, and I was really impressed.

00:29:06.000 I mean, the machining on these things is fantastic, right, first of all.

00:29:09.000 And I was expecting some...

00:29:11.000 You know, the old school pellet guns and BB guns, the Crossmans, things like that, you know, that are plastic for the most part and everything.

00:29:17.000 But this is a solid piece of work.

00:29:19.000 And anyway, so got on this thing.

00:29:21.000 It's turned out, I don't know where I was going with the story.

00:29:22.000 Oh, shooting in the shot.

00:29:24.000 He's actually, I suspect he's a better shot than Cheney, as it turns out.

00:29:28.000 And he's got his hunting certificate and he's been through that education program and, you know, he's in the scouts and so we go out shooting every now and then.

00:29:38.000 But it took him almost no time at all, right, in terms of practice to develop.

00:29:44.000 I'm boasting about my 12-year-old's target shooting ability.

00:29:48.000 I realize that's not why most viewers tune in.

00:29:51.000 Sometimes they want to know.

00:29:52.000 Yeah.

00:29:52.000 Yeah, maybe so.

00:29:54.000 Anyway, so that's Jay.

00:29:56.000 But yeah, I think you're right.

00:29:57.000 Nobody's going to primary this president, and I think we're left with this field of potential candidates on the Dem side.

00:30:07.000 I tend to agree.

00:30:08.000 I think it's going to be a landslide unless there's some – if the market tanks for whatever reason because there's some international crisis somewhere and it sends things down through the floor, maybe.

00:30:20.000 But if the economy stays the way it is and the Dems seem to wander into their primary season as unorganized as they seem to be, yeah, I could see him winning again big.

00:30:33.000 Well, I think people want to look at him as being all bad.

00:30:37.000 But if what he's done and the moves that he's made are great for the economy, and things appear to be very good, right?

00:30:46.000 Yeah.

00:30:47.000 No, I think, again, you can't, but the problem is they can't separate that.

00:30:50.000 Right, that's what I'm saying.

00:30:51.000 Yeah, you can't find a progressive who's going to stop and go, well, you know, the economy is good.

00:30:54.000 Or if they say it, it always followed by a, but, you know, it's not good for everybody.

00:30:58.000 Well, it's never good for everybody.

00:30:59.000 It's true, too. 0.66

00:31:00.000 Yeah, it isn't.

00:31:01.000 Yeah, I mean, they want the economy to be the way it is, but they want Bernie Sanders' economic policies.

00:31:07.000 You know, it's interesting because I think that someone who supports big business the way Trump does, he encourages people to move business forward.

00:31:17.000 I mean, it encourages the market, encourages people to spend money.

00:31:20.000 It encourages people to take risks.

00:31:22.000 The more he makes it easier for these big businesses, also the more people get outraged, but then the economy picks up.

00:31:29.000 It's like, boy, there's a...

00:31:31.000 I don't know what the correct way to do this is, but even though I'm not a Trump fan, there are definite benefits to the way he has been running the country.

00:31:43.000 When you talk about some of the basic metrics, you look at the unemployment rate.

00:31:49.000 I just finished a conversation the other day.

00:31:53.000 Idaho, not to bring in Idaho, but Idaho's got the second strongest state economy in the nation.

00:31:58.000 The unemployment rate is almost negligible.

00:32:01.000 It's crazy how strong it is at this point.

00:32:04.000 Because there's solid people up there.

00:32:05.000 Solid people.

00:32:06.000 We all have ranches. 0.95

00:32:07.000 That's the other thing.

00:32:08.000 We all know how to fly fishing.

00:32:09.000 Exactly.

00:32:11.000 There's something to that, though, with solid people. 0.99

00:32:13.000 I mean, Idaho is a fucking... 0.99

00:32:15.000 There's real people up there. 1.00

00:32:17.000 You go up there, it's fucking cold as shit. 0.99

00:32:19.000 There's wolves and bears. 1.00

00:32:20.000 Those are real goddamn people. 0.99

00:32:22.000 You've got to come back up and do another show. 1.00

00:32:24.000 I would definitely come back up.

00:32:26.000 I'll schedule something.

00:32:27.000 Yeah, that would be great.

00:32:27.000 But I think the point with the economy is that it does – and again, I get it.

00:32:34.000 Not everybody's in the stock market.

00:32:35.000 Of course not everybody's in the stock market.

00:32:38.000 As it improves or tax cuts, you know, that whole, it was only for the rich.

00:32:44.000 You can't tell me that people haven't been benefiting from it.

00:32:48.000 And yes, there's going to be segments that it takes longer or you've got to work harder or whatever it is to feel that improvement.

00:32:54.000 But it's there.

00:32:55.000 And again, I don't see unless there's something that sends it heading south.

00:33:00.000 And I think the Democrats are in a difficult position.

00:33:03.000 They can't talk it down.

00:33:04.000 Michael Bloomberg's trying.

00:33:05.000 He's not a Democrat, though.

00:33:06.000 I don't know what he is.

00:33:07.000 What is he?

00:33:08.000 Are there billionaire Democrats?

00:33:12.000 Tom Steyer.

00:33:12.000 Yeah?

00:33:13.000 I keep wanting to say Steyer.

00:33:15.000 I don't know why I keep saying Steyer.

00:33:17.000 It makes me sound clever.

00:33:19.000 Tom Steyer, yeah, but...

00:33:21.000 I think that Bloomberg is trying to say, look, the economy needs to be adjusted, needs to be fixed.

00:33:25.000 I don't think anybody buys it because there's no supporting data for that.

00:33:31.000 And so they have a hard time battling against the economy, which is why I think they try to avoid it for the most part.

00:33:36.000 I mean that debate last night Did you watch that?

00:33:39.000 No.

00:33:40.000 Yeah.

00:33:40.000 I don't watch them.

00:33:42.000 I didn't push Tulsi Gabbard out, I stopped watching. 1.00

00:33:44.000 I'm like, you guys are out of your fucking mind. 0.99

00:33:46.000 She's the most interesting candidate out there. 1.00

00:33:48.000 Yeah, next to Marianne Williamson. 1.00

00:33:50.000 Oh, well that bitch is crazy. 1.00

00:33:51.000 Sorry, sorry for using that word. 1.00

00:33:54.000 Crazy? 1.00

00:33:54.000 No, bitch. 1.00

00:33:55.000 I didn't mean it that way. 0.99

00:33:56.000 I say it, you know, it's a term of endearment. 0.99

00:34:00.000 But isn't she like a crystal healer or some shit? 1.00

00:34:03.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:34:03.000 She was trying to come on the podcast, too. 0.99

00:34:04.000 I'm like, she's doing a tour.

00:34:07.000 I'm like, that's a boat with a lot of holes in it, and it ain't gonna make it across the harbor.

00:34:12.000 It's like talking to one of your aunts, right? 0.99

00:34:15.000 One of your crazy aunts. 0.99

00:34:16.000 Yeah, it's in the crystals. 0.98

00:34:17.000 Comes over for the holidays, you know?

00:34:18.000 I said, what are you doing?

00:34:19.000 Well, I made you a dream catcher.

00:34:21.000 And I'm like, okay, thank you.

00:34:23.000 A dream catcher.

00:34:24.000 A dream catcher.

00:34:25.000 I think Bernie Sanders has some interesting thoughts, and talking to him in person, in real life, I like him a lot. 0.99

00:34:30.000 He's not like what he comes off in those goddamn debates, because those debates are ridiculous. 0.92

00:34:36.000 You get five people in front of the camera, you ask them a question, they have 30 seconds to answer it, everybody else is jumping in and yelling things out, they're all trying to get a sound bite. 0.99

00:34:44.000 Well, that's all it is.

00:34:45.000 It's not actually a debate.

00:34:47.000 I mean, remember the debate club.

00:34:48.000 And it's not that.

00:34:50.000 It's exactly what you said.

00:34:52.000 It's soundbites.

00:34:53.000 A series of soundbites.

00:34:54.000 They're all looking to have a moment.

00:34:55.000 They don't want to screw up, so they want to have kind of a safe moment.

00:34:59.000 And they go through.

00:35:00.000 I agree with you.

00:35:01.000 I like...

00:35:02.000 I like Bernie because he's been consistent.

00:35:04.000 You can go back to the 80s. 0.99

00:35:06.000 He's saying the same shit that he's saying now. 0.99

00:35:08.000 And I think there is something to that. 0.99

00:35:10.000 Now, I don't buy his arguments.

00:35:12.000 But I like the guy.

00:35:15.000 And I like the fact that he's consistent and he means what he says.

00:35:19.000 So again, I can separate out liking him from liking his policies.

00:35:24.000 I don't see a problem there.

00:35:26.000 But I don't think they're going to let Bernie – there was a moment.

00:35:30.000 I'll tell you about last night on this debate thing.

00:35:34.000 I think it was the CNN moderator.

00:35:36.000 She asked Elizabeth Warren.

00:35:38.000 Elizabeth Warren had come out the other day and said that she had a private conversation with Bernie.

00:35:42.000 And during the conversation, yeah, Bernie said, you know, a woman's never going to win. 0.94

00:35:45.000 That's my Bernie.

00:35:46.000 A woman's never going to win or can't win being president. 1.00

00:35:50.000 He was more eloquent than that, but the voice sounded just like it.

00:35:53.000 And so he's denied it.

00:35:57.000 So the moderator last night during this debate asked Bernie Sanders, let me just be clear, she said, are you saying that you've never said this to Elizabeth Warren?

00:36:07.000 And Bernie said, absolutely not.

00:36:11.000 Very next words out of the moderator's mouth was she turned to Elizabeth Warren and said, so, Senator Warren, when Bernie said to you that he never, or no, when Bernie said to you that a woman couldn't be president, how did you feel?

00:36:25.000 Jesus Christ.

00:36:26.000 That was it.

00:36:26.000 And so I think they're not even trying now to hide the fact that they want to marginalize Sanders.

00:36:31.000 Yeah.

00:36:33.000 Why did they want to marginalize him?

00:36:34.000 Because I think they feel like there's no way he can win.

00:36:37.000 Is that what it is?

00:36:38.000 Yeah, I think on a national level.

00:36:39.000 But they think Elizabeth Warren can win after lying about being Native American for her whole life?

00:36:44.000 Yeah, yeah. 0.99

00:36:45.000 That's a fucking big one to me. 0.99

00:36:47.000 Oh, by the way. 0.99

00:36:48.000 By the way, one of my boys was home sick the other day from school, the middle boy, Sluggo.

00:36:54.000 So we were sitting on the sofa and I said, you know, you're not feeling it?

00:36:57.000 You want to watch a movie?

00:36:58.000 God bless him.

00:36:59.000 He's 10 years old.

00:37:00.000 He considers himself a baller.

00:37:01.000 All he wants to do is play basketball.

00:37:02.000 That's all he wants to do with his life.

00:37:03.000 He knows he's going to get recruited by Duke.

00:37:06.000 He knows he's going to end up in the NBA. But we're sitting there and it was really kind of sweet because he's got all this hard side to him and I'm just playing ball.

00:37:13.000 And then he says, well, yeah, let's watch a Disney movie.

00:37:16.000 So we kind of dialed up Disney Plus because we're sheep and we bought the Disney Plus thing.

00:37:22.000 And Peter Pan.

00:37:24.000 The original Peter Pan, right?

00:37:26.000 The original Disney Peter Pan.

00:37:27.000 So we turned it on.

00:37:28.000 And I'd forgotten what that movie was like in terms of its treatment of Native Americans.

00:37:33.000 Oh, it's horrible.

00:37:34.000 Oh, my God.

00:37:35.000 We're watching it, and we get to that part where they're singing that song, and the Lost Boys are tied up with Wendy and Michael and all of that, and the chief comes in, and he wants to find Tiger Lily, the princess, because Hook is...

00:37:47.000 The viewers are like, what the hell's going on here?

00:37:49.000 So anyway, I'm sitting there, and even Sluggo looks at me, and he goes, wow, this is kind of racist.

00:37:57.000 LAUGHTER Really?

00:37:59.000 What a 10-year-old says that.

00:38:01.000 Yeah, a 10-year-old says it.

00:38:02.000 I thought, okay.

00:38:03.000 Everything was racist back then.

00:38:04.000 Everything was racist.

00:38:05.000 Well, that's what we had.

00:38:06.000 We had a conversation.

00:38:06.000 I said, yeah, pretty much what I told them.

00:38:09.000 But anyway.

00:38:10.000 Well, particularly about Native Americans.

00:38:12.000 I mean, they were able to get away with it.

00:38:14.000 Nobody protested it.

00:38:16.000 I'm reading this book now, or I'm listening to it on tape, called Black Elk Speaks.

00:38:21.000 It's about this Oglala Sioux medicine man who was, while he was still alive, In the 1930s, they wrote this book.

00:38:30.000 He told the story of Custer, and he was there.

00:38:33.000 He was a young boy when Custer was killed, and he told the story of life on the plains and Crazy Horse. 0.98

00:38:39.000 It's fucking fascinating. 0.92

00:38:40.000 When was it written? 0.98

00:38:41.000 It was written in the 1930s.

00:38:43.000 Okay, it's called what?

00:38:44.000 Black Elk Speaks?

00:38:44.000 Black Elk Speaks, yeah.

00:38:46.000 I've listened to on tape, this is like the fourth or fifth one that I've listened to on Native Americans over the last couple of months, but this is the best one.

00:38:56.000 This is the best one because, not that the other ones weren't great, they were great, but what's interesting about this is the actual words of a man who lived that life.

00:39:04.000 It's not just a historical book about the time and describes the events of the time.

00:39:10.000 This is a guy describing what he saw And he was talking in particular about war, about the way it was when they killed Custer.

00:39:18.000 He was there when they killed Custer.

00:39:20.000 And just the battles between the American soldiers and the Native Americans.

00:39:25.000 It's like...

00:39:26.000 It's crazy.

00:39:27.000 It's crazy to think that it happened just a short time ago. 0.82

00:39:30.000 And it's also crazy to think that if no one came to America, like if the world just stayed in Europe and Asia and the way it had been before Columbus and before the pilgrims and all that shit, these people would probably still be living like that because that's not that long ago. 0.58

00:39:47.000 Well, I mean, you think about it. 0.86

00:39:49.000 What was it?

00:39:49.000 It was a warring tribal culture.

00:39:51.000 Yeah.

00:39:51.000 I mean, where else do we have – I'm probably going to make a botch of this point, but yeah, warring tribal cultures in the Middle East, right?

00:39:59.000 I mean, it's a difficult environment, right, in which to say, okay, we're going to have some sort of federal system.

00:40:07.000 We're going to come together.

00:40:08.000 We're going to work for the greater good.

00:40:09.000 But I mean, I think it's – I will say this.

00:40:13.000 The most depressing – Scenes I've ever seen have been on Native American Indian reservations in this country. 1.00

00:40:22.000 I've never been.

00:40:23.000 Oh my God.

00:40:24.000 I've never been other than casinos.

00:40:25.000 It's just, you go and I'd spent most of my adult life overseas, right?

00:40:32.000 In some pretty grim places.

00:40:34.000 And I remember the first time I was on a reservation here in the U.S. I thought, how can this possibly be here?

00:40:42.000 And I know that's a naive thought and people think, well, how could you not know that it was here?

00:40:45.000 But...

00:40:46.000 It's, you know, A, it's not a good history, but B, it's not a good follow-up either.

00:40:51.000 I mean, right?

00:40:51.000 We haven't, we just, to this day, we don't do a very good job at all.

00:40:55.000 And the reservation systems, not all of them, of course, it's like every, you know, not every urban center is, you know, crime rate.

00:41:02.000 I mean, that's ridiculous, but I'm just saying in general.

00:41:04.000 Some of the most difficult places I've ever seen have been right here on our borders, right, on Indian reservations, and good God.

00:41:11.000 Yeah, I want to get someone to come in here who's a Native American, who's a historian, who really understands the history of the I just had a sort of a peripheral understanding of it up until about five or six months ago.

00:41:26.000 I really, you know, I had seen movies and I had read books and I'd kind of understood, but I didn't really, really get into it until I started reading these books and it's just...

00:41:37.000 It's just incredible to think that there was millions and millions of tribes or millions and millions of members of different tribes living in this country, like basically like Stone Age people, just 150 years ago.

00:41:51.000 And oftentimes, you know, in constant conflict with each other.

00:41:54.000 Yes.

00:41:54.000 Oh, that's a big thing that I didn't really understand.

00:41:57.000 The horrific things they did to each other, kidnapped each other, tortured each other. 0.99

00:42:01.000 And we came along and they're like, what the fuck? 0.99

00:42:02.000 Come on, lighten up. 0.99

00:42:03.000 I mean, jeez.

00:42:05.000 We brought them a whole new level.

00:42:07.000 Well, as soon as we figured out repeating guns, as soon as they figured out revolvers with more than one bullet, because they were fighting the Comanches originally, they were fighting them with muskets. 0.96

00:42:17.000 And the Comanches could shoot like six arrows in ten seconds. 0.99

00:42:20.000 So they would just lighten these fucking soldiers up because they couldn't reload. 0.99

00:42:24.000 So they'd wait for the initial volley and then they'd charge in. 0.99

00:42:27.000 And they also could...

00:42:28.000 They were such great horsemen, they could actually shoot underneath the horse's neck.

00:42:32.000 So they'd hold on to the reins somehow where they were under the horse's neck.

00:42:37.000 And they were protected, and they were shooting at the soldiers.

00:42:40.000 And they were shooting from horses.

00:42:41.000 Nobody knew how to do that before.

00:42:43.000 Everybody got off the horse to shoot.

00:42:44.000 And they were shooting while they were riding.

00:42:47.000 I mean, I feel bad for the horse, but he's covering concealment.

00:42:50.000 That's how the Comanches apparently dominated, is that they had so many horses.

00:42:54.000 They were rich in horses.

00:42:55.000 They were the ones that figured out how to master the horse the best.

00:42:58.000 They also used small horses.

00:43:00.000 They didn't use these big horses that the Americans used.

00:43:03.000 And they were small people.

00:43:04.000 Comanches were fairly small people.

00:43:06.000 Yeah.

00:43:07.000 No, it is absolutely – it's a fascinating history.

00:43:10.000 I've spent more time reading sort of the military aspects of the Indian Wars, right, from the U.S. military side of things.

00:43:17.000 And occasionally a book will stray into sort of, okay, well, let's look from a perspective of whichever tribe they were in battle with, but not usually very good.

00:43:28.000 So I'll pick up this book because it – It's an amazing history, and you're right, it's not that long ago.

00:43:34.000 There's another great book, well, there's quite a few of them, Blood and Thunder.

00:43:37.000 It's about Kit Carson.

00:43:39.000 I read that.

00:43:39.000 That is good.

00:43:40.000 Fuck, man. 1.00

00:43:41.000 That dude. 1.00

00:43:42.000 He was a beast.

00:43:43.000 Get him on the show. 0.93

00:43:44.000 My God.

00:43:45.000 He was tremendous, right?

00:43:48.000 And from nothing, right?

00:43:49.000 Came from nothing.

00:43:50.000 And was a small guy, had a soft voice.

00:43:55.000 Yeah, there was a show...

00:43:58.000 Men Who Made America, I think.

00:44:01.000 Or it was a follow-on from that.

00:44:03.000 But they had a handful of episodes about Kit Carson, but they kind of went through – they picked out some of the – sort of the individuals you would imagine, right?

00:44:12.000 I mean Daniel Boone and some of the other characters as the frontier.

00:44:15.000 I think Men Who Built a Frontier, I think is what it was called.

00:44:17.000 It was a follow-on to that series that they did.

00:44:19.000 But the men who built America, okay, which seems misogynistic, but … Trevor Burrus, Jr.: The women probably helped.

00:44:27.000 They – behind every great titan of industry, there was a woman and several of his mistresses. 0.61

00:44:34.000 But I think that this thing about building the frontiers was interesting.

00:44:39.000 They tried – Yeah, I think most of us are pretty ignorant to what goes on on the reservations today.

00:44:59.000 Yeah.

00:45:20.000 Yeah.

00:45:38.000 Yeah.

00:45:39.000 I don't know.

00:45:40.000 I'm not sure how you turn that around.

00:45:43.000 There's the Native American Indian Museum in D.C. that opened several years back.

00:45:48.000 It's very good.

00:45:49.000 It's a little tough to follow.

00:45:50.000 I will say this much in terms of just the way they've laid the museum out, right?

00:45:54.000 But it's just absolutely full to the ceiling of incredible stories and artifacts and history bits.

00:46:02.000 It's definitely worth people going to D.C. If they're saying, okay, I'm going to go to the Smithsonian, they should put that one on the list because it's really fascinating.

00:46:09.000 It's really good.

00:46:10.000 Anyway, what else?

00:46:14.000 Oh, I know what I was going to bring up because I can't come on the show without talking about Huawei.

00:46:19.000 Oh, so something going on with Huawei again?

00:46:23.000 Only on the periphery today, the Trump administration signed this first portion of a deal with China.

00:46:32.000 And so it's a trade pact, right?

00:46:33.000 There's been this trade battle, obviously.

00:46:35.000 And I just thought I was flying out here and I was thinking about it.

00:46:39.000 It's interesting dynamic, right?

00:46:41.000 Because, you know, people talk about this current administration as not having any strategy.

00:46:46.000 And sometimes it does seem, frankly, that way.

00:46:49.000 But I was thinking the other day that it is – there is actually an interesting split in terms of how they're dealing with China.

00:46:57.000 So on the one hand, we've got this softening of the trade war.

00:47:01.000 They're going to – as a result of signing what they signed today with China as sort of a first-stage trade agreement, it mostly involves increased purchases by China of U.S. goods.

00:47:11.000 There's some talk about them scaling back their theft of intellectual property.

00:47:17.000 Scaling back?

00:47:17.000 Scaling back.

00:47:18.000 That's a hilarious one.

00:47:20.000 Maybe we won't steal so much.

00:47:24.000 We're not going to stop stealing.

00:47:26.000 But there's that element to it.

00:47:29.000 But at the same time as they're doing this, and as a result of that, we're going to cut in half our tariffs on taxes.

00:47:36.000 Quite a bit of – a large amount of goods and I think we're going to drop the idea of imposing more tariffs on some other goods.

00:47:44.000 But even while we're doing that – so that's happening, right?

00:47:47.000 But as we're doing that, we're also ratcheting up pressure and some sanctions and some legislation against the technology side of things.

00:47:56.000 So we're still coming down on Huawei.

00:48:00.000 Congress is trying to push through something that's going to make it even more difficult for US companies to do business with them overseas.

00:48:06.000 But I think it's interesting, right?

00:48:07.000 Because we're – there's some people I think in Washington who go, well, we can't do both.

00:48:10.000 Well, of course you can do both, right?

00:48:12.000 You can talk to the Chinese in real terms and say, yeah, let's focus on the trade.

00:48:16.000 We're going to do this.

00:48:17.000 We're going to make it a little bit easier.

00:48:19.000 Let's create a trade environment where it's good for both of us.

00:48:21.000 At the same time, you know what? 0.99

00:48:22.000 You're still stealing our shit and Huawei is still a national security threat. 0.99

00:48:27.000 So we're still going to focus on this. 0.99

00:48:30.000 And, you know, this is not saying I'm singing praises of this current administration.

00:48:33.000 I'm just saying that any administration should be able to operate on different levels, right, when it comes to the same – but we don't – we haven't seemed to do that.

00:48:40.000 It's like with Iran. 1.00

00:48:41.000 Well, okay, we're – in the past, If they just gave some indication that they were going to play ball with us, we'd ease up on the sanctions even though they hadn't done anything about their pursuit of terrorism and other things that they were doing because we felt like in Washington I think sometimes DC is like,

00:48:58.000 oh, you can't do two things at one time that seem to be conflicting.

00:49:01.000 Well, the real world says I think that you can't.

00:49:03.000 So I think China gets it.

00:49:07.000 I don't think they're going to stop stealing.

00:49:09.000 It seems to be how they operate.

00:49:11.000 Yeah.

00:49:11.000 Especially when you consider the fact that the government is so inexorably connected to Huawei.

00:49:18.000 Like when you were explaining how big business and the government are hand in hand, they're not two separate entities.

00:49:24.000 They work completely together.

00:49:26.000 And so with Huawei, since they have been busted, Having third-party access to data and stealing packets and stuff with routers.

00:49:37.000 Because they have done that, you've got to think, well, that's probably a part of the way they do business.

00:49:42.000 Well, it is.

00:49:44.000 It's in their system.

00:49:45.000 I mean, they made a decision decades ago, right?

00:49:47.000 This is how we're going to achieve...

00:49:49.000 Superiority in the world.

00:49:50.000 We're going to get to the top of the food chain by skipping all the cost and pain of research and development.

00:49:57.000 We're just going to hoover up everything we can from not just the U.S., but everybody. 1.00

00:50:00.000 So, you know, part of this, all this pushback against China has been specifically trying to say, look, you got to stop that.

00:50:08.000 We understand it.

00:50:09.000 We're calling you out on it.

00:50:10.000 Now, we've tried doing that a handful of times in the past in a half-hearted manner.

00:50:15.000 This time, you know, I think the Chinese understand we're more serious about it.

00:50:18.000 And we are trying to implement certain measures that will prevent some of that theft.

00:50:27.000 But at the same time, I think, as you said, it's part of how they do business, right?

00:50:30.000 So I think we have to be pragmatic in all of this and think, yeah, it's good that we're pushing them on it.

00:50:35.000 It's good that we're telling them.

00:50:36.000 It's good that we're trying to rebalance the trade environment.

00:50:38.000 That we're calling out Huawei, that we're talking to our allies about not doing business with them because all they really want is they want an access point, right?

00:50:46.000 So if they do business with the UK, suddenly in this seamless world of communications, now they've got an entry point into the US. So we're working to try to get our allies to stay on board with us about that.

00:51:01.000 But yeah, the Chinese, they subsidize Huawei, and the government does in a big way.

00:51:06.000 And we just have to be realistic.

00:51:10.000 We're not going to change their behavior in a major way.

00:51:14.000 They're just going to become more sophisticated or more obtuse about how they do it.

00:51:18.000 Well, the best evidence to me that there's really something going on is that Google's even stepped in.

00:51:22.000 Right?

00:51:23.000 Google's even say, we won't even give you our access to Google Store anymore.

00:51:27.000 If you want to have a Huawei phone, even if you buy it from overseas, it will not work on the Google ecosystem.

00:51:33.000 So what Huawei's done is they've started their own little weird app store.

00:51:39.000 And they've started creating their own apps.

00:51:41.000 They're essentially frozen out of the ecosystem that Google provides and the Google Play Store provides.

00:51:47.000 But you can sideload some apps by going to the website.

00:51:50.000 You can download some of them and put them on a phone.

00:51:53.000 But they're essentially relegated to these weird Chinese versions of a lot of the popular applications.

00:52:00.000 And it's a very limited selection.

00:52:02.000 And when it comes to...

00:52:04.000 High-end cell phones.

00:52:06.000 Like, what is the new Huawei phone?

00:52:08.000 I think it's called the Mate 30 Pro.

00:52:10.000 They announced another one.

00:52:11.000 They announced another one.

00:52:12.000 This is the other thing.

00:52:13.000 Just now?

00:52:14.000 Yeah.

00:52:14.000 Right.

00:52:15.000 Oh, Mike Baker. 1.00

00:52:16.000 Fuck him. 1.00

00:52:17.000 They literally had announcements today in London. 1.00

00:52:20.000 Teach that son of a bitch. 1.00

00:52:22.000 Son of a bitch. 1.00

00:52:23.000 So their phones, they come out with new ones all the time. 1.00

00:52:27.000 Like an iPhone, which is the top of the food chain in America, right?

00:52:30.000 They come out once a year.

00:52:31.000 Yeah.

00:52:32.000 Once a year they bang out a new phone. 0.98

00:52:34.000 Huawei's cranking these fucking bad boys out every couple of months and every couple months they have a giant leap in improvement. 0.98

00:52:40.000 More megapixels, better night vision, more storage, more battery life, more this more that, higher pixel density in the screens. 0.98

00:52:48.000 So their phones literally are the top of the food chain phones.

00:52:51.000 It's really kind of fascinating because a lot of American phones, like look at that bad boy, P40 design gets leaked, showing triple Leica camera. 0.96

00:52:59.000 Yeah, so they're using these fucking incredible cameras. 0.97

00:53:02.000 Okay. 0.99

00:53:02.000 Yeah, sort of. 0.99

00:53:03.000 Similar.

00:53:04.000 Sort of similar to the iPhone.

00:53:05.000 Similar.

00:53:06.000 Interesting.

00:53:07.000 Yeah.

00:53:08.000 Well, we copy them a lot.

00:53:10.000 Yeah, no, that's true.

00:53:11.000 I mean, that's a design element of it.

00:53:13.000 Yeah.

00:53:14.000 I mean, look at Huawei.

00:53:17.000 We've been banging on about them for some time.

00:53:19.000 Congress has been trying to take actions.

00:53:21.000 And at the end of this past year, end of what, 2019, Huawei reported some 20% increase in their revenues.

00:53:29.000 Yeah, of course.

00:53:30.000 Some people are talking about it.

00:53:31.000 Well, I know a lot of people that before this Google thing...

00:53:34.000 That's what I'm actually doing.

00:53:34.000 I'm actually, you know, I got a contract with Huawei, so that's why I keep banging on it.

00:53:39.000 The Google thing really fucked them up, because before that, a lot of the tech guys in America were buying them from Amazon or buying them from websites and then just putting their SIM cards in it and using it, even though AT&T won't sell them and Verizon won't sell them.

00:53:52.000 But now that won't even work anymore, because now you don't have access to the Google Play Store. 0.95

00:53:56.000 If they could figure out a way to sweet-talk their way back to the Google Play Store, they would be the biggest fucking cell phone company in the world.

00:54:02.000 They offered developer $26 million to build apps for his flagship phones after being banned from using Google's App Store.

00:54:09.000 Yeah, but the thing is, like, building the apps is not good enough.

00:54:12.000 You have to have apps that everybody's using. 0.61

00:54:14.000 If you make your own Instagram, nobody gives a fuck. 0.92

00:54:17.000 You're not on Instagram. 0.96

00:54:18.000 Are you on Instagram?

00:54:20.000 It says there are major apps available through Hallways, app galleries such as Amazon, Snapchat, TikTok, and Fortnite.

00:54:27.000 But most popular apps are still missing.

00:54:29.000 That's interesting. 1.00

00:54:30.000 Amazon's like, fuck you. 1.00

00:54:31.000 We want some money. 1.00

00:54:32.000 We want some money.

00:54:35.000 Jeff Bezos going through a divorce.

00:54:36.000 That's what it's all about.

00:54:36.000 Come get some money.

00:54:39.000 I got a new hot chick and she likes money. 1.00

00:54:41.000 Is it his new wife now or just his girlfriend?

00:54:44.000 I think it's just his girlfriend.

00:54:44.000 She used to be married to the former owner of the UFC. She used to be married to one of the current owners of the UFC. Oh, okay.

00:54:52.000 Alright, so she's stepped up.

00:54:55.000 She's stepped up.

00:54:57.000 The owner of the UFC is a very wealthy man too.

00:55:00.000 Not Bezos wealthy.

00:55:02.000 No, he's on next level wealthy.

00:55:04.000 That's like if you get divorced, for sure you're getting a billion.

00:55:08.000 Yeah.

00:55:08.000 He's got 150. He can give you a billion just to shut you up.

00:55:11.000 Just like, just give her a billion. 0.95

00:55:13.000 Let's get this over with.

00:55:14.000 Let's get this over with, Marty.

00:55:16.000 Sign the paperwork.

00:55:18.000 But I can see.

00:55:18.000 He's a handsome man.

00:55:19.000 I can see him attracting a really hot man.

00:55:21.000 I don't think you're right.

00:55:22.000 I think you're being sarcastic.

00:55:24.000 Look at that face.

00:55:25.000 Wow.

00:55:25.000 He looks like a guy in a movie.

00:55:27.000 He looks a little like Paul Schaefer in that picture.

00:55:29.000 You remember the old David Letterman's old band leader?

00:55:32.000 Look at this.

00:55:33.000 Yeah, you're right.

00:55:34.000 He does.

00:55:35.000 Yes, Dave.

00:55:36.000 Yeah.

00:55:37.000 Jeff Bezos reportedly threw a star-studded birthday bash for his girlfriend, Lauren Sanchez.

00:55:41.000 Look at her.

00:55:42.000 She's like, cha-ching! 1.00

00:55:44.000 Wow.

00:55:45.000 Someone should Photoshop dollar bills on her glasses. 1.00

00:55:48.000 But that's not a really good picture of her.

00:55:51.000 She doesn't look...

00:55:51.000 She's got a weird face.

00:55:53.000 She's hot as fuck, dude. 1.00

00:55:54.000 Really? 1.00

00:55:55.000 Yeah, but she's hot as fuck and almost 50. 50th birthday? 1.00

00:56:01.000 Women today at 50, they keep it together. 0.90

00:56:09.000 It's a different 50. When I was a kid, when a lady was 50, that was a dead lady. 0.67

00:56:14.000 She's barely alive.

00:56:16.000 But now, 50-year-olds are in the gym doing squats.

00:56:19.000 They look hot.

00:56:20.000 It's different.

00:56:21.000 They exercise.

00:56:22.000 People now imagine you cruising gyms looking for girls doing squats.

00:56:26.000 No, I'm just saying.

00:56:27.000 I've seen 50-year-olds that are in very good...

00:56:29.000 What's that girl? 0.99

00:56:30.000 Elizabeth Hurley.

00:56:31.000 Oh, yeah. 1.00

00:56:33.000 She's a fucking movie star. 1.00

00:56:35.000 Her Instagram is all pictures of her in her underwear. 1.00

00:56:38.000 You know why?

00:56:39.000 Because she's like 53. She looks good in her underwear. 0.88

00:56:41.000 Yes.

00:56:42.000 And she's 54? 1.00

00:56:43.000 She's 54, and she knows the fucking sand is thin on that hourglass. 0.99

00:56:50.000 There ain't a lot at the top. 0.99

00:56:51.000 The top chamber, there ain't a lot left.

00:56:54.000 Yeah.

00:56:54.000 So she's showing them goods.

00:56:56.000 Yeah.

00:56:57.000 That Instagram was all her in her underwear.

00:57:00.000 That name, who was she with? 1.00

00:57:01.000 She was with...

00:57:01.000 Oh, there she is.

00:57:02.000 Hugh Grant.

00:57:02.000 Hugh Grant, that's right.

00:57:03.000 Dude, look how hot she is. 1.00

00:57:05.000 54. Like, if you saw her...

00:57:07.000 Give me another one of those, Jamie.

00:57:08.000 What do you got here?

00:57:08.000 Give me another one of them.

00:57:09.000 Bikini. 0.92

00:57:10.000 There's a bunch of bikini pictures.

00:57:11.000 That there.

00:57:11.000 Like, if you saw her somewhere, you would go, oh, that's a 35-year-old beautiful woman.

00:57:17.000 54. It's different these days.

00:57:20.000 I will say this, though.

00:57:21.000 There are a lot of filters out there.

00:57:23.000 That's true.

00:57:24.000 I know.

00:57:25.000 I could look 12. But look at that one in the middle.

00:57:27.000 That doesn't look filtered, the one right there.

00:57:29.000 No, that looks like a party picture.

00:57:31.000 That looks like her part.

00:57:32.000 She's hot. 1.00

00:57:33.000 She definitely looks right like she just came off the set from Austin Powers. 1.00

00:57:37.000 Yeah, she's fucking hot, man. 1.00

00:57:38.000 She's still hot. 1.00

00:57:40.000 Legitimately hot.

00:57:41.000 People go, yeah, but she's 54. You go, shut the fuck up. 1.00

00:57:45.000 What's wrong with you, man? 1.00

00:57:47.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:57:47.000 Look at that one, the right with the boobs. 1.00

00:57:50.000 Woo! 0.99

00:57:51.000 Yeah.

00:57:52.000 Take it!

00:57:53.000 No, but when was that taken, though?

00:57:54.000 Last week.

00:57:55.000 Last week. 1.00

00:57:55.000 Shut your mouth. 1.00

00:57:56.000 Stop ruining my dreams. 1.00

00:57:57.000 That was just on Monday.

00:57:58.000 Don't ruin dreams, Mike Baker.

00:58:00.000 No, you're right.

00:58:01.000 You're right. 1.00

00:58:01.000 She's hot as fuck. 1.00

00:58:02.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:58:02.000 She's putting in the work. 1.00

00:58:03.000 Yeah.

00:58:05.000 That middle picture, I'm not sure about the middle picture with the two soldiers there.

00:58:08.000 I'm not sure.

00:58:09.000 Was that taken in Liechtenstein?

00:58:11.000 Yeah, what is up with them?

00:58:11.000 Where are these soldiers from?

00:58:12.000 What's up with their fake mustaches?

00:58:13.000 Do they have painted-on mustaches?

00:58:15.000 Do you think they've got a whole army of guys like that that come out on the battlefield dressed like that?

00:58:19.000 London Coliseum?

00:58:21.000 Do they make them put rosy cheeks on? 0.94

00:58:23.000 No, those are natural.

00:58:25.000 It comes like that.

00:58:27.000 That's the British weather.

00:58:29.000 Cold and damp.

00:58:30.000 Gives you cheeks like that.

00:58:31.000 How weird.

00:58:32.000 They have fake mustaches, though, right?

00:58:34.000 It's for the ballet.

00:58:34.000 It's for the Nutcracker.

00:58:35.000 Oh, for the ballet.

00:58:36.000 Right here.

00:58:37.000 English National Ballet.

00:58:38.000 Oh, the ballet.

00:58:39.000 A couple of Marines.

00:58:40.000 The ballet.

00:58:41.000 A couple of commandos. 0.99

00:58:42.000 Just make that picture bigger and cut those dummies out. 1.00

00:58:47.000 She looks hot. 0.98

00:58:48.000 And look at the one right next to it.

00:58:49.000 Go to the one picture right next to that one, Jamie.

00:58:52.000 That one.

00:58:52.000 Oh, yeah.

00:58:53.000 Come on, son. 1.00

00:58:54.000 She's hot as fuck. 1.00

00:58:55.000 Okay. 1.00

00:58:56.000 She's hot as fuck. 1.00

00:58:57.000 It's quite the piece of jewelry she's got there, hanging between those things there. 1.00

00:59:00.000 It's just amazing that women can do this now. 1.00

00:59:05.000 You couldn't do that before.

00:59:08.000 It's like you hit a wall, and that's welcome to the wall.

00:59:11.000 But here's what I would say.

00:59:12.000 I think those same hot women would argue that for dudes, it's different.

00:59:15.000 You can be a schlub at 54, right?

00:59:17.000 You can just walk out there. 1.00

00:59:18.000 You don't give a shit. 1.00

00:59:19.000 You're just kind of like... 1.00

00:59:20.000 Like Jack Nicholson.

00:59:21.000 Yeah, like Jack Nicholson.

00:59:22.000 Jack Nicholson's a thousand years old, and he's still banging 20-year-olds.

00:59:25.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:59:26.000 I don't know how he does that.

00:59:27.000 I see him sidelines at a Lakers game, and you think, oh my God.

00:59:30.000 I know.

00:59:31.000 You know what it is?

00:59:32.000 It's like most women find him repulsive, but you don't want most women. 1.00

00:59:36.000 Yeah.

00:59:36.000 You want the women that don't find you repulsive.

00:59:38.000 And when you're really, really famous, that's a considerable number.

00:59:42.000 That's what's crazy.

00:59:43.000 Yeah.

00:59:44.000 No, that's true.

00:59:45.000 So there's 300 million plus people in this country that's probably of dating age.

00:59:51.000 Let's just say there's 70 million women that could be dating Jack Nicholson. 0.73

00:59:58.000 Look at them there.

00:59:59.000 Let's just, I mean, it's probably, I'm probably off, but let's say out of those...

01:00:03.000 So 70 million that he could choose from.

01:00:05.000 Yeah, let's say it's 100 million.

01:00:06.000 Let's get crazy.

01:00:07.000 Let's say it's 100 million.

01:00:07.000 That's quite the picture.

01:00:08.000 Out of those 100, look at that one.

01:00:10.000 Let's leave that one up.

01:00:11.000 That's perfect.

01:00:11.000 Leave that one up.

01:00:12.000 Out of those 100 million, 90 million of them would think he's disgusting.

01:00:17.000 90 million. 1.00

01:00:18.000 So 90 million women would be like, what the fuck? 1.00

01:00:21.000 Out of those 10 million, and those 10 million that are left, 5 million would be like, eh, he's not that bad. 1.00

01:00:29.000 And then 1 million would be like, I'd fuck him right now. 1.00

01:00:33.000 That's what you want. 1.00

01:00:34.000 I think 1 million? 0.99

01:00:35.000 1 million would fuck that right now? 1.00

01:00:36.000 Yes. 1.00

01:00:37.000 1 million.

01:00:38.000 I'll live here.

01:00:39.000 Wow.

01:00:42.000 They're all in Southern California.

01:00:44.000 He's so right!

01:00:44.000 Well, there's some from North Dakota that just want to come to LA. Jack's going to make me famous.

01:00:49.000 He blew up my Instagram.

01:00:51.000 Yeah, I can see that. 1.00

01:00:53.000 I can see getting in your Kia and driving across country to fuck that. 1.00

01:00:57.000 Look at his glasses. 1.00

01:00:58.000 Man.

01:00:59.000 Everything about him. 1.00

01:01:00.000 Cheeseburger, fries, doesn't give a fuck. 1.00

01:01:02.000 Oh, there you go. 0.99

01:01:02.000 He's back in his heyday. 0.99

01:01:03.000 That was when he was young.

01:01:04.000 That dude, man. 1.00

01:01:05.000 He looked like shit back then. 1.00

01:01:06.000 Look at that picture. 1.00

01:01:07.000 Look at that collar, though.

01:01:09.000 That was back when a collar meant something.

01:01:11.000 Yeah.

01:01:12.000 It is amazing.

01:01:13.000 Yeah.

01:01:14.000 And, you know, he keeps on rocking in the free world.

01:01:17.000 Yeah.

01:01:19.000 But that's the thing.

01:01:20.000 That's what women would say. 1.00

01:01:21.000 How come we have to...

01:01:22.000 I mean, you hear that all the time.

01:01:24.000 Society requires us to do a thousand squats a week.

01:01:28.000 They're right.

01:01:29.000 This mook over here, he doesn't have to do anything, and he's still pulling. 1.00

01:01:32.000 But the response to that would be, you don't even have to be rich.

01:01:36.000 If you're hot and you're a woman, you just have to be nice. 0.99

01:01:39.000 A guy who's hot, good luck.

01:01:42.000 What are you going to get out of that? 1.00

01:01:43.000 You ain't getting shit out of that, stupid. 1.00

01:01:45.000 Go get a goddamn job. 1.00

01:01:47.000 I read some study somewhere and I've put it out of my mind, but I do remember there was an aspect of it that did say, what do women see as an attractive element of a man? 1.00

01:01:56.000 And to this day, it's still the ability to provide.

01:01:59.000 Jeff Bezos!

01:02:02.000 Look at that smile she has on her face. 1.00

01:02:03.000 She's not bummed out to be with him.

01:02:05.000 Now, it would have been a different story if we were cavemen and you had to rely on Jeff Bezos to provide.

01:02:10.000 Right.

01:02:10.000 That's not happening.

01:02:11.000 Right, yeah.

01:02:12.000 But, yeah, I mean, it's...

01:02:14.000 Anyway, so, yeah, so Amazon's doing business with...

01:02:19.000 With the new app store.

01:02:21.000 Yeah, that's kind of sneaky.

01:02:22.000 Yeah.

01:02:23.000 And TikTok's a Chinese company already.

01:02:25.000 Right.

01:02:25.000 And there's some talk.

01:02:27.000 I mean, they've been making efforts to limit the ability for TikTok to do business.

01:02:32.000 Really?

01:02:33.000 I think the U.S. military has instructed all personnel to stay off of TikTok or not to use TikTok.

01:02:39.000 Really?

01:02:39.000 Yeah.

01:02:40.000 Again, because of the same concern.

01:02:41.000 The whole idea is this platform because these companies can argue all they want to that they're independent from the Chinese authorities.

01:02:48.000 But ultimately, if the Chinese authorities knock on their door and say, we would like access to your database because we want to hoover up all the information about every U.S. military person that's stationed wherever, they're going to do it. 0.68

01:03:00.000 They're trying to get one of the top TikTok executives in here.

01:03:04.000 Really?

01:03:04.000 Yeah.

01:03:05.000 Interesting.

01:03:05.000 Not really.

01:03:06.000 Not really interesting at all.

01:03:08.000 Not interesting to me.

01:03:10.000 So it's not happening.

01:03:11.000 No.

01:03:12.000 Fuck you. 1.00

01:03:13.000 No. 1.00

01:03:13.000 I don't even understand TikTok. 1.00

01:03:15.000 I mean, I know the kids use it.

01:03:17.000 Kids like it, I guess.

01:03:18.000 Look at this.

01:03:18.000 Make TikTok videos.

01:03:19.000 It's considered a cyber threat.

01:03:21.000 Lieutenant Colonel Robin Ochia, an army spokeswoman, told Military.com, we do not allow it on government phones.

01:03:27.000 There you go.

01:03:27.000 Whoa.

01:03:28.000 Look at that.

01:03:29.000 A cyber threat.

01:03:30.000 An effective tool for reaching young people of generation...

01:03:32.000 How old is Generation Z? They're 12. What is that?

01:03:36.000 My daughter, who's 11, is fucking all about TikTok. 0.99

01:03:39.000 She's teaching me TikTok dances. 0.99

01:03:41.000 I'm learning TikTok dances.

01:03:43.000 That looked good, actually.

01:03:44.000 That was a good move.

01:03:45.000 You'd be blow up if you did some TikTok dances.

01:03:48.000 I'm not trying to blow up.

01:03:50.000 I'm not trying.

01:03:51.000 But my daughter, literally, she thinks it's hilarious. 0.97

01:03:54.000 She's teaching me TikTok dances, and we practiced for like fucking half an hour. 0.98

01:03:58.000 But what the hell is it? 0.99

01:03:59.000 Is it just another version of...

01:04:00.000 It's like little videos.

01:04:02.000 Okay.

01:04:02.000 Little videos.

01:04:03.000 But my 11-year-old's really into it.

01:04:05.000 Her friends all think it's hilarious.

01:04:07.000 I was going to say, I drive Sluggo to his basketball practices, and occasionally there's two or three other knuckleheads in the car, and that's all they're doing is they're comparing TikTok videos.

01:04:16.000 How weird.

01:04:17.000 Yeah.

01:04:18.000 I can't.

01:04:19.000 I can't.

01:04:20.000 I'm too busy.

01:04:20.000 I'm not interested.

01:04:22.000 That's what YouTube started.

01:04:23.000 It was just like cat videos.

01:04:24.000 Then it was 15 minute videos and now it's whatever it is.

01:04:27.000 So you think I should jump on board, Jamie?

01:04:29.000 I was just saying.

01:04:30.000 You do think I should jump on board?

01:04:31.000 You shouldn't not jump on board.

01:04:33.000 Let me ask you this.

01:04:33.000 Isn't OnePlus, isn't that a Chinese company as well?

01:04:37.000 Find out what that is.

01:04:38.000 Because OnePlus is accepted, right?

01:04:41.000 I mean, OnePlus sponsors a lot of things.

01:04:43.000 They make really high-end phones as well.

01:04:47.000 How come they don't get the same kind of scrutiny?

01:04:49.000 I suspect they do.

01:04:50.000 It just hasn't hit the press.

01:04:51.000 I mean, TikTok blew up, I guess, as an app that, well, kids like, and so it became...

01:04:57.000 I didn't realize...

01:04:58.000 Again, how old is Generation Z? Is that like a 20...

01:05:01.000 I don't even know what that is.

01:05:02.000 It's below Millennials. 0.94

01:05:03.000 It's like the next thing, whatever.

01:05:05.000 So it's below Millennials.

01:05:07.000 Okay. 1.00

01:05:07.000 That's when we're really fucked. 1.00

01:05:09.000 That's when we really get to see the fruits of our labor. 1.00

01:05:13.000 How fucked up have we turned this culture? 0.97

01:05:15.000 Well, let's check out the ten-year-olds. 1.00

01:05:17.000 Let's see how ridiculous these kids are. 0.99

01:05:20.000 Not to disappear down a rabbit hole, but I agree. 0.95

01:05:23.000 I think we have no idea what technology How it's going to impact in the long run.

01:05:30.000 We don't have enough of a test case yet.

01:05:33.000 And I can look at my kids and just within my little microcosm of my three little dudes, sort of their attention span and their ability to...

01:05:44.000 And you can see it impacting it.

01:05:45.000 You can see it impact the way that they study, the way that they learn, the way – and I don't think we're – again, I'm not a Luddite, but I don't know that we're doing ourselves any favors, right?

01:05:54.000 I don't think we're doing ourselves favors either, and I don't think there's any way of pulling back from it.

01:06:00.000 You could tell your kids to pull back.

01:06:02.000 You could maybe get your friends' kids to pull back.

01:06:04.000 But culturally, no one's pulling back from this stuff.

01:06:07.000 They're getting more and more immersed in their phones, more and more immersed in apps and internet.

01:06:13.000 The big thing is apps to me.

01:06:16.000 They all get on these little social media apps, whether it's TikTok or whatever it is.

01:06:20.000 Yeah.

01:06:22.000 Yeah.

01:06:36.000 Other than that, you have to do that.

01:06:39.000 But she's got a little friend that doesn't have any time. 0.99

01:06:42.000 And this little friend, you would think this girl, her fucking skin is growing onto this phone. 1.00

01:06:47.000 She never goes anywhere without this phone in her hand, and she's always looking at it. 0.99

01:06:51.000 She can't talk to anybody for five seconds without looking at her phone, checking TikTok.

01:06:55.000 But she's getting that from her parents.

01:06:57.000 Look at adults.

01:07:00.000 How many times have you sat in a restaurant and everybody at the table staring at their phone?

01:07:04.000 I got on the car rental bus today and I dropped my bag on the thing and I stood there and I looked down at the bus and everybody was staring at their phone.

01:07:13.000 At least that's dead time.

01:07:15.000 You're just sitting on a bus waiting to get to those, let's check my email real quick.

01:07:18.000 That's not a bad time to use your phone.

01:07:21.000 In the old days, you'd start up a conversation with the guy next to you.

01:07:24.000 So, where are you from?

01:07:25.000 Omaha, huh?

01:07:26.000 No, you wouldn't.

01:07:27.000 Never mind.

01:07:27.000 I don't know where I was going with that.

01:07:28.000 You could, but then you'd want to...

01:07:31.000 I want to call Homeland Security.

01:07:33.000 Do you see anything suspicious? 1.00

01:07:34.000 Yeah, this fucking guy talked to me on the bus. 0.99

01:07:36.000 Yeah, I don't know what that's all about. 1.00

01:07:38.000 Something he referred to as a conversation.

01:07:40.000 That's my favorite.

01:07:41.000 If you see anything suspicious, call this number.

01:07:43.000 Everything's suspicious.

01:07:45.000 See something, say something.

01:07:47.000 What do you think about this?

01:07:50.000 Have you seen this latest dispute between Apple and the government?

01:07:55.000 What's the latest?

01:07:56.000 Well, you know, we had this shooting down in Pensacola.

01:07:59.000 And so it was a Saudi soldier who was down there for flight instruction and killed three people in the classroom there, finally taken out by deputies because we don't allow our soldiers to carry weapons on the base.

01:08:16.000 And anyway, point being is that when this happened, He had two phones, Apple.

01:08:24.000 I think one was a 5, one was a 7. And so the FBI got the phones.

01:08:30.000 They went to Apple, but asked for assistance with the first one.

01:08:35.000 I don't know which phone they were asking for.

01:08:37.000 And Apple claims that, yeah, we provided assistance.

01:08:40.000 We gave them access to iCloud data backup and some transactional records and what they were asking for.

01:08:47.000 And then they went to Apple, I think, just a week ago or so with a request for assistance with a second one.

01:08:55.000 And they subpoenaed Apple a couple days later and said, you know, we need assistance in getting into these phones.

01:08:59.000 It's still the same problem that they had, you know, three or four years ago.

01:09:02.000 The San Bernardino show.

01:09:03.000 Yes.

01:09:04.000 And so we had that big...

01:09:07.000 You know, kerfuffle where they're saying, look, Apple's not assisting.

01:09:10.000 They're not helping us get into this.

01:09:11.000 Government had to go to, as it turns out, to an Israeli forensics group.

01:09:16.000 Spent a lot of money to get cracked into these phones.

01:09:19.000 Anyway, so Bill Barr, the Attorney General, came out just yesterday, past couple of days, and he's been lambasting Apple, saying, you know, you're hampering this investigation.

01:09:27.000 You're not helping us in terms of dealing with this terrorist incident. 0.99

01:09:30.000 And Apple's saying, you know, what the fuck? 0.98

01:09:32.000 We are providing some assistance. 0.99

01:09:33.000 So we're back in that same thing that we were in four years ago, where you got this battle over access and pushing an investigation forward and a concern over privacy.

01:09:43.000 What do they want that Apple's not willing to provide?

01:09:46.000 Well, they want access to the phones.

01:09:47.000 The idea was initially they were trying to get a back door that could be used by law enforcement to get into the iPhone.

01:09:57.000 So you see it here.

01:09:57.000 Trump wants Apple to unlock the Pensacola shooter's iPhones.

01:10:00.000 Here's why it won't.

01:10:02.000 First of all, this is CNN, which is fake news!

01:10:05.000 Oh, fake!

01:10:07.000 It's all faux.

01:10:08.000 Fake news.

01:10:08.000 It says, we have always maintained there's no such thing as a backdoor just for the good guys.

01:10:13.000 Backdoors can be exploited by those who threaten our national security and the data security of our customers, Apple added.

01:10:19.000 Today, law enforcement has access to more data than ever before in history, so Americans do not have to choose between weakening encryption and solving investigations.

01:10:28.000 We feel strongly encryption is vital to protecting our country and our users' data.

01:10:34.000 Mm-hmm.

01:10:34.000 Yeah, but I don't understand, like, what are they looking for that they won't let these guys find?

01:10:38.000 It's one thing that, like, back doors, but I'm not talking about a back door.

01:10:41.000 I'm talking about, like, there should be a way that they can get into the phone, right?

01:10:45.000 There should be a way that you can, not just the iCloud backup, but you could open up the phone And do it with, like, Apple should have some skeleton key or something like that.

01:10:56.000 Well, that's what they're saying they're not going to provide.

01:10:59.000 They're not going to provide a software solution to allow them access to get into these phones.

01:11:03.000 But what else could he have on his phone if it's iCloud backed up?

01:11:06.000 Like, an iCloud backup is essentially your phone, but it's in the cloud.

01:11:10.000 Right, but you can also turn that off.

01:11:13.000 But have they turned it off?

01:11:14.000 Has he turned it off?

01:11:15.000 I don't know the details of that, but I would suspect so.

01:11:18.000 But there's other data that you can access from that phone that would be relevant to this.

01:11:22.000 In this situation, I tend to side with Apple.

01:11:27.000 I understand the Attorney General, his responsibility is whatever, protecting American citizens.

01:11:31.000 So okay, he's going to have this position.

01:11:34.000 But Apple is basically saying, look, we're not going to break the terms of our contract with all the people that have iPhones where we're providing them with privacy.

01:11:44.000 And they're also, I think, saying to some degree, look, yeah, we understand that criminals can use encryption, right?

01:11:50.000 I mean they do, right?

01:11:51.000 They take advantage of the encryption that's available and the lack of access.

01:11:55.000 But so do millions of citizens, right, who use the iPhones just to keep their bank records or whatever they have on there, right?

01:12:03.000 And so the encryption benefits everybody in a sense.

01:12:06.000 Obviously, it benefits the criminals.

01:12:10.000 I also kind of side with Apple at this point because, frankly, I think technology has kind of made some of these arguments moot, meaning that there are ways to get into these phones now.

01:12:19.000 So the bureau or the government doesn't have to just go to Apple and say, please let us in.

01:12:26.000 There was boxes that the police were buying that would allow you to hack in the phones, right?

01:12:31.000 There's several companies.

01:12:32.000 The companies that are allowing or the developing access or ability to access these phones, the competition's been increasing.

01:12:39.000 And what happens?

01:12:40.000 People get better at it, right?

01:12:42.000 And so they develop new techniques.

01:12:43.000 But then the problem is bad guys can buy them.

01:12:45.000 So they can get a hold of your phone, steal your phone from you, and then open it up and then use your phone to text people or get weird with you.

01:12:52.000 Yeah, and so then what are you saying?

01:12:53.000 Are you saying, okay, well, a company that's got that access point, like the Israeli company or several others out there...

01:13:00.000 Grayshift and a few others that provide this.

01:13:02.000 So then you're relying on them to control who they're selling to.

01:13:06.000 And some of these companies sell only to the government and to whoever is DEA or – and so I guess the point being is that I don't think the old arguments of even a few years ago that says we can't get in so we need Apple's assistance, I think that's kind of going by the wayside.

01:13:21.000 And, you know, the government does have the ability to get in there at this point.

01:13:24.000 So I'm not quite sure why they're picking a fight.

01:13:27.000 Again, I don't know all the details, but I don't know why they're picking a fight.

01:13:30.000 Is it possible that they can't get in the phone?

01:13:33.000 Is that possible?

01:13:34.000 Because they're saying back doors can be exploited.

01:13:37.000 Okay, but if you give Apple a phone and say, hey, I don't know the password of this, can you get in there?

01:13:43.000 Apple can.

01:13:44.000 They can get in there.

01:13:45.000 Yeah, Apple can.

01:13:45.000 They don't want to hand over that ability or that software because, again, it's a commercial issue, right, for them.

01:13:50.000 Right, but shouldn't it be possible if they don't want to hand over that software that they could just open it for the government and the government doesn't have to get the software?

01:13:59.000 Yeah, the government's made that argument to them before for whatever reason because I think in part it's the optic that says, okay, well, apparently Apple's willing to do this.

01:14:08.000 I think they just want to hold the line and say absolutely not because I think they're – You know, they're looking at this from, again, from almost a pure commercial perspective. 1.00

01:14:16.000 I kind of understand that, but then I kind of say, this guy's a fucking terrorist and a mass shooter. 1.00

01:14:21.000 Yeah, okay. 1.00

01:14:21.000 I mean, yeah, you've got a contract with all these people that says, okay, I'll protect your privacy. 1.00

01:14:26.000 But you think that would be, you know, you're abdicating your ability to hold them to that contract if you go out and shoot a few people.

01:14:32.000 Is the guy still alive?

01:14:33.000 The shooter?

01:14:34.000 No. 1.00

01:14:34.000 Okay, so what's the fucking problem? 1.00

01:14:36.000 He doesn't have any privacy. 1.00

01:14:37.000 He's dead.

01:14:38.000 It's a good point.

01:14:40.000 I just find it interesting we're back having that same argument that we had a few years ago, right?

01:14:45.000 And I think, like I said, I'm not sure why Barr is pushing this argument necessarily the way he is.

01:14:52.000 I mean, I get what his position has to be given his job as Attorney General, but I think we're past that point.

01:14:59.000 I think there's...

01:15:01.000 There's hacking solutions that are legitimately available through forensics groups that have been developing these things that can assist the government to do this.

01:15:08.000 I just found it interesting.

01:15:11.000 It is interesting.

01:15:12.000 I understand that Apple does not want to open up too much to the government's demands.

01:15:17.000 And if they do, look, we don't have a tyrannical government, but what if we did?

01:15:22.000 What's going on with China and Huawei?

01:15:24.000 It's very similar.

01:15:25.000 If Apple sort of opens up the door to the government and they slide right in and start We're good to go.

01:15:48.000 The government's spying on everybody.

01:15:50.000 The reality is they neither have the resources or the interest, frankly, or the ability to spy on everybody.

01:15:56.000 This is what I always say to people.

01:15:58.000 Who's spying on you?

01:15:59.000 There's another person?

01:16:00.000 So there's one person that just spies on you all day.

01:16:04.000 So imagine.

01:16:05.000 You're assigned one person.

01:16:06.000 There's 300 million people in this country.

01:16:07.000 There's 300 million spies spying on those 300 million people.

01:16:11.000 Is that what's going on?

01:16:11.000 You got one target.

01:16:13.000 That's all you do all day long is watch one person.

01:16:16.000 But then there's the thing about them collecting data, like the NSA collecting data and collecting all your phone calls, collecting all your text messages.

01:16:24.000 You know what's a bigger threat is Amazon or Google.

01:16:28.000 You know what?

01:16:29.000 You turn on your Samsung TV. You know what it's doing?

01:16:31.000 It's watching you.

01:16:34.000 Don't watch me.

01:16:35.000 Yeah, TV's got the ability to watch it.

01:16:36.000 It's called Smart Interactivity.

01:16:40.000 So it's got a camera and the whole idea was, well, we'll do this so that we can figure out what you're watching and what you think of it.

01:16:46.000 So not only is it watching, but it could listen.

01:16:48.000 So it's the commercial side that's collecting information, not necessarily for nefarious purposes, they're collecting it for marketing purposes and to make more money, which is what they're in business to do.

01:16:59.000 But they're the ones that are hoovering up data, right?

01:17:02.000 That then leaks out because somebody hacks, grabs all that information, and then they use it for something nefarious.

01:17:07.000 Well, I get nervous when I hear about companies like Facebook that are thinking about starting their own cryptocurrency.

01:17:13.000 And I'm like, whoa, [...

01:17:16.000 Are you going to have your own money now?

01:17:20.000 I'm not a not-believer, but I'm not invested in it.

01:17:27.000 I had a guy on several times, Andreas Antonopoulos, who's a Bitcoin expert.

01:17:33.000 A very, very bright and interesting guy, and I really enjoyed talking to him about it, but he's all in.

01:17:37.000 He does all his banking with Bitcoins, pays his rent with Bitcoin, gets paid with Bitcoin.

01:17:42.000 Everything is Bitcoin with him.

01:17:44.000 And, you know, he's loved by the Bitcoin community and all this different stuff.

01:17:49.000 But at the end of the day, I just don't totally understand how you can have so many of them.

01:17:59.000 Like, how many cryptocurrencies are there?

01:18:01.000 And then if you don't have so many of them, well, who's to say when you could stop making them?

01:18:06.000 Right, right.

01:18:07.000 Who's the arbiter to say, no, that's legitimate, or that is not?

01:18:10.000 I don't know.

01:18:13.000 I fall in the category of I don't understand it.

01:18:16.000 To be fair, I haven't taken the time to understand it.

01:18:18.000 You can't think about everything.

01:18:20.000 This is my take on it.

01:18:21.000 You can't.

01:18:22.000 You don't have enough time to think about everything.

01:18:24.000 So I'm letting that one play out on its own.

01:18:26.000 I'm going to just sit back, and when it's 100% all, and when everybody's like, look, Bitcoin is just like money.

01:18:33.000 Okay?

01:18:35.000 But until then, and they kind of predicted it was going to be just like money quite a few years ago, and it never really did hit that.

01:18:41.000 But you can buy some things with Bitcoin.

01:18:42.000 There's some companies that let you buy computers with Bitcoin.

01:18:45.000 I'm sure there's a fair amount of transaction that goes on, from what I understand.

01:18:47.000 But again, I don't understand.

01:18:49.000 I don't understand how it's backed, necessarily. 1.00

01:18:51.000 I'm sure I'll probably get all sorts of comments now, like, you know, you're a fucking idiot. 1.00

01:18:54.000 You should be heavily involved in Bitcoin. 1.00

01:18:55.000 In Bitcoin, but I buy gold bars.

01:18:58.000 Gold's real.

01:18:59.000 Plant them out in the backyard.

01:19:00.000 They've been killing people for gold forever.

01:19:01.000 Exactly. 1.00

01:19:02.000 That's legit shit. 1.00

01:19:03.000 Yeah, that's the way I feel about it. 1.00

01:19:05.000 Gold and catheters.

01:19:06.000 I'm stocking up on both.

01:19:07.000 Those are both going to be really important in the future.

01:19:10.000 But gold is a weird one, right?

01:19:12.000 It's like, why are we still so invested in this soft, shiny metal? 0.97

01:19:16.000 Like, you know, and all the shit that people need. 0.98

01:19:19.000 Why gold? 0.99

01:19:20.000 I don't even like it as jewelry.

01:19:21.000 I think it's kind of tacky.

01:19:22.000 Yeah.

01:19:23.000 When I met my wife, I was still wearing a gold chain from my old Miami Vice days.

01:19:28.000 Yeah, she still doesn't let me forget that.

01:19:30.000 It was pretty sweet.

01:19:31.000 It wasn't like Flava Fave or anything.

01:19:32.000 It wasn't big and chunky, but I thought it was understated.

01:19:36.000 Was it like a herringbone?

01:19:38.000 It was like a Greek key thing.

01:19:40.000 I lived out in that part of the world for a while.

01:19:45.000 Anyway, it was explained to me that it wasn't as hip as I thought it was at the time, so I put it away with all my other gold jewelry.

01:19:54.000 My boys will fight over for it when I'm dead.

01:19:57.000 Yeah, women will let you know. 1.00

01:19:58.000 They'll clean you up. 1.00

01:19:59.000 They'll go, hey, hey, hey, you've got to stop with that stupid shit. 1.00

01:20:02.000 I thought I'm looking fly. 1.00

01:20:05.000 Yeah.

01:20:05.000 Oh, my God.

01:20:06.000 Yeah.

01:20:06.000 I walked out the other day.

01:20:07.000 We were getting ready to go to some function, and I come walking down the steps.

01:20:10.000 It was a casual thing, right?

01:20:11.000 And I thought, okay, so...

01:20:14.000 And I'm not a really...

01:20:15.000 I'm not a naturally social person in the sense that I don't like to go to big gatherings of people.

01:20:21.000 I mean, I like going out to a dinner just to hang out for drinks with, you know, like small, six, eight people that I know, right?

01:20:27.000 And I know I'm going to...

01:20:28.000 This is where we're going.

01:20:28.000 I don't have to walk into a crowd...

01:20:30.000 And go from little group to little group having, you know, some small conversation.

01:20:34.000 I'm not good at it.

01:20:36.000 But we're going to one of these things.

01:20:37.000 So I think in my mind, I thought, I just...

01:20:39.000 So I come walking down the steps.

01:20:41.000 I'm wearing a cardigan.

01:20:43.000 And my wife is walking up the steps to get something that she forgot upstairs. 0.99

01:20:47.000 And she stops on the stairs and she looks.

01:20:48.000 And so as I'm coming down the side, I see her stop down there and she's staring at me.

01:20:52.000 I'm thinking, what?

01:20:53.000 And now I thought, I liked this cardigan.

01:20:56.000 I bought it in the shop.

01:20:56.000 I thought, this looks pretty good.

01:20:58.000 I thought it had like a Matthew McConaughey vibe to it. 0.99

01:21:01.000 And she's staring at me like, what the fuck is that? 0.99

01:21:04.000 What color is it? 1.00

01:21:04.000 It's gray. 1.00

01:21:05.000 It's a nice gray.

01:21:06.000 Can you pull up a picture of a gray cardigan, please?

01:21:08.000 I want to get an image in my mind of what you look like.

01:21:11.000 A picture of Matthew McConaughey in a cardigan.

01:21:13.000 Somebody must have Googled that.

01:21:15.000 Is he a cardigan wearer?

01:21:16.000 Is he a big cardigan wearer?

01:21:18.000 That was the word.

01:21:18.000 Because I thought, okay, I'm being pretty chill here.

01:21:21.000 That was another word I got from my kids.

01:21:24.000 And I just thought that it was presenting the right vibe.

01:21:28.000 I'm going to a party.

01:21:29.000 I'm casual.

01:21:30.000 I'm relaxed.

01:21:31.000 I'm going to be...

01:21:32.000 I don't know what I was thinking.

01:21:33.000 Anyways, she made me go upstairs and change it. 0.99

01:21:36.000 Damn, she made you. 1.00

01:21:37.000 Well, yeah. 0.99

01:21:38.000 I mean, I... You know, this is my second go-around, and I've learned that I'm not as smart as I used to be.

01:21:46.000 Look at that.

01:21:47.000 Look, see, that's what I'm talking about.

01:21:49.000 But that's when he was in Dallas Buyers Club.

01:21:50.000 Hey, well, you wanted a cardigan.

01:21:51.000 Yeah, no, that's what I'm talking about.

01:21:53.000 Jesus Christ, look at that.

01:21:55.000 That was when he was, like, really sick. 0.99

01:21:57.000 That fucking guy has never looked the same again since he lost all that weight for that movie. 0.99

01:22:01.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:22:02.000 He's been drawn out since then.

01:22:05.000 That's got to be so devastating for your system. 1.00

01:22:09.000 To put yourself through that kind of shit? 1.00

01:22:10.000 Yeah, I think it must be worse than gaining weight. 1.00

01:22:12.000 Oh, it's way worse.

01:22:13.000 Look at his face, man.

01:22:15.000 I mean, he looks like a dead man. 0.99

01:22:17.000 Goddamn, he knocked out of the park in that movie, though. 0.99

01:22:19.000 Yeah, he did. 0.98

01:22:19.000 It was a great movie. 0.98

01:22:20.000 I hope he got paid well enough for it.

01:22:21.000 You can't.

01:22:22.000 There's not enough money in the world to make you lose that much weight.

01:22:25.000 You know, the worst one, though, was The Mechanic.

01:22:28.000 Not The Mechanic.

01:22:29.000 The Machinist.

01:22:30.000 Yeah.

01:22:30.000 With...

01:22:31.000 What the fuck's his name? 0.99

01:22:33.000 Christian Bale, yeah. 1.00

01:22:34.000 Christian Bale, he did the most horrific weight cut.

01:22:37.000 I've never seen anybody that skinny in a movie.

01:22:39.000 I mean, he was legitimately days before death.

01:22:43.000 Oh, God.

01:22:44.000 Yeah, look at that.

01:22:45.000 Look at what he looked like.

01:22:46.000 That was a toy.

01:22:47.000 That's a computer rendering.

01:22:49.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:22:50.000 And then he was Batman like six months later, and he got on the fucking Mexican supplements. 0.99

01:22:57.000 It's that back and forth. 0.99

01:22:58.000 It's that back and forth that'll do your body in.

01:23:00.000 Terrible.

01:23:00.000 Terrible for you.

01:23:01.000 If you can maintain a kind of a consistent weight.

01:23:04.000 Look at that, though.

01:23:05.000 Jesus Christ.

01:23:07.000 There's got to be some shopping in there, photoshopping.

01:23:09.000 No!

01:23:10.000 No, no, no.

01:23:11.000 If you see the movie, man, he was eating an apple and a can of tuna a day.

01:23:16.000 That's it.

01:23:17.000 That was all he was eating.

01:23:18.000 And what happens then is your body starts eating itself.

01:23:22.000 And so look how he looked in Dick Cheney.

01:23:24.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:23:24.000 He got real fat to play Dick Cheney.

01:23:26.000 Damn, that's like Bert Kreischer fat. 1.00

01:23:29.000 That's fat as fuck. 1.00

01:23:30.000 Look at that. 1.00

01:23:31.000 That's a lot of fat right there. 1.00

01:23:33.000 Goddamn. 0.99

01:23:34.000 Well, yeah, he's dedicated to his craft. 0.99

01:23:36.000 But here's the thing. 0.97

01:23:37.000 The movie sucked. 0.99

01:23:38.000 So it's like you almost killed yourself for a movie that sucked. 0.99

01:23:42.000 Did you see The Joker? 0.98

01:23:43.000 Yes.

01:23:44.000 What did you think?

01:23:44.000 Fantastic.

01:23:45.000 Yeah?

01:23:45.000 Yeah.

01:23:46.000 It's a great movie.

01:23:47.000 It's really drawn out both sides.

01:23:49.000 Nobody's sort of agnostic about it. 0.98

01:23:51.000 Either it sucks or it's great. 0.97

01:23:54.000 That's what I keep getting, those same responses. 1.00

01:23:57.000 It's a great movie, but it's disturbing as shit. 0.96

01:23:59.000 But there's a lot of weird stuff to it, right? 0.98

01:24:01.000 It's like...

01:24:02.000 It's almost celebrating the idea that the system is broke. 1.00

01:24:06.000 We're just gonna fucking shoot everybody who's rich and light everything on fire and let these fucking mentally ill people not take their medication and just run things. 1.00

01:24:15.000 He was a... 1.00

01:24:17.000 Joaquin Phoenix, first of all, he's on another level.

01:24:22.000 He's always been an amazing actor.

01:24:24.000 But that movie, boy, they created a work of art with that character. 1.00

01:24:30.000 You bought into it hook, line, and sinker that he was this crazy fuck. 1.00

01:24:35.000 Spoiler alert, when he shoots Robert De Niro... 1.00

01:24:40.000 There's scenes in that movie that make you just go, wow.

01:24:43.000 I will say this, though.

01:24:44.000 My favorite Joker has always been Cesar Romero.

01:24:47.000 Right there.

01:24:48.000 There he was.

01:24:48.000 Oh, in the Batman TV show?

01:24:50.000 Yeah, from the TV show.

01:24:51.000 Oh, yeah.

01:24:52.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:24:52.000 Hands down.

01:24:53.000 Really?

01:24:54.000 Oh, well, yeah.

01:24:55.000 I mean, I'm fairly old school.

01:24:56.000 That's terrible. 0.98

01:24:58.000 He does look pretty goddamn crazy there. 0.98

01:25:00.000 You know, he... 0.99

01:25:01.000 Goddamn, he looks pretty good there. 0.98

01:25:03.000 I'm taking it back. 0.97

01:25:04.000 Yeah.

01:25:05.000 He did.

01:25:06.000 Not bad.

01:25:08.000 Heath Ledger's my favorite.

01:25:10.000 Yeah, Heath Ledger was good.

01:25:12.000 He was great, too.

01:25:13.000 Jared Leto couldn't.

01:25:14.000 Nah.

01:25:15.000 He can go pound sand with that character.

01:25:16.000 But the Joker's got Oscar nominations, right?

01:25:19.000 I think.

01:25:20.000 Oh, yeah.

01:25:21.000 He's not the best actor.

01:25:23.000 I watched that Suicide Squad, the Jared Leto one. 1.00

01:25:25.000 It was like, oh, it's just a little too stupid. 0.99

01:25:27.000 Did you see the new one he's in? 0.99

01:25:28.000 He's playing Morbius, who's a vampire, and he's in the Marvel movies now.

01:25:32.000 No, give me a picture.

01:25:33.000 Let me see what you got here.

01:25:34.000 Does it look good?

01:25:35.000 Every movie's a Marvel or a DC Comics movie nowadays.

01:25:39.000 Are you getting upset?

01:25:41.000 Yeah, I don't know.

01:25:43.000 I wish I had a piece of the action, but still.

01:25:45.000 I remember Morbius.

01:25:46.000 Oh, this is Jared Leto playing Morbius.

01:25:48.000 Wow.

01:25:50.000 He gets superpowers.

01:25:52.000 So he becomes a vampire?

01:25:53.000 Yeah, he's like a guy who was dying, had a blood disease, and he goes, like, one last thing to figure it out, and I guess the bats helped him.

01:26:01.000 Whoa, this is crazy.

01:26:04.000 And comes back jacked? 0.99

01:26:05.000 Yeah, and he starts fucking people up. 0.99

01:26:06.000 Ooh, I like it. 0.94

01:26:07.000 When does this come out?

01:26:08.000 I think the summer?

01:26:10.000 Come on.

01:26:11.000 I just put the trailer out the other day, so I don't remember the exact points they hear.

01:26:14.000 I had no idea that bats had that ability, but okay.

01:26:16.000 They don't, bro.

01:26:18.000 It's a movie.

01:26:18.000 Oh, it's a movie.

01:26:19.000 Oh, I can't.

01:26:20.000 I can't.

01:26:20.000 In theaters this summer.

01:26:21.000 All right, fine.

01:26:22.000 I'm in.

01:26:23.000 Yeah.

01:26:23.000 I'm all in, Jared.

01:26:24.000 I take it back.

01:26:25.000 We had bats in our attic, believe it or not.

01:26:27.000 We had bats in our attic in Idaho.

01:26:29.000 Really?

01:26:29.000 I'm sitting outside on the porch one day.

01:26:31.000 Again, sorry about this, but I'm sitting out on the porch and I look up and it's the sun setting.

01:26:36.000 And this thing flies out from the top of the roof.

01:26:39.000 We've got this four-story brick place and out comes this thing.

01:26:42.000 And then another one, then another one.

01:26:44.000 We've got bats flying out because it's getting dark and they're coming out of our attic.

01:26:48.000 So I'm thinking, you've got to be kidding me.

01:26:49.000 So, we went to a wildlife specialist who came over, and he kind of staked out the place a couple of nights, figured out what the story was with him, and we eventually got rid of the bats.

01:27:04.000 You didn't hire a wildlife specialist?

01:27:06.000 Yeah.

01:27:07.000 Why didn't you just get a tennis racket?

01:27:08.000 No.

01:27:09.000 There's baby bats.

01:27:11.000 The kids didn't want to hurt the baby bats.

01:27:14.000 And so we had to wait for the baby bats to grow a little bit.

01:27:16.000 And then whack them?

01:27:17.000 No, then whack them. 1.00

01:27:19.000 Then you shoot them with your airsoft pistol. 0.99

01:27:22.000 But the interesting thing about bats, they fly out. 0.98

01:27:25.000 They drop down and fly out.

01:27:26.000 But if you stop their ability to go straight back into the hole...

01:27:33.000 They can't get back home.

01:27:35.000 So you create a situation because they can't dip down and then fly up and then go in.

01:27:40.000 They have to come straight in, straight at that.

01:27:42.000 This is fascinating, bad stuff.

01:27:45.000 But if I had known that they could create that sort of superpower ability, I would have kept a couple of them around.

01:27:50.000 But then you stay alive forever.

01:27:52.000 You don't want that.

01:27:52.000 No.

01:27:53.000 No.

01:27:54.000 There's a crazy story about a guy who was, I don't remember where he was, but a bat flew by and hit his hand.

01:28:03.000 Just hit his hand.

01:28:05.000 And apparently the bat had rabies, and he died of rabies like two weeks later.

01:28:09.000 Seriously.

01:28:10.000 Yeah, apparently rabies is one of those things where if you get bit by something that has rabies, they've got to get you in right away. 0.99

01:28:18.000 They've got to get you in right away, and once it takes hold, you're fucking dead. 0.98

01:28:22.000 It's 100% lethal. 0.98

01:28:24.000 But they can get you if you get in right away, but he didn't even know anything was wrong.

01:28:27.000 He didn't have a visible sign on his hand.

01:28:30.000 Bat flew into the hand of a British Columbia man who died of rabies infection.

01:28:33.000 Ugh.

01:28:34.000 Yeah, so this thing, it just flew into his hand and left a small cut.

01:28:39.000 He was a 21-year-old kid on Vancouver Island.

01:28:41.000 Good God.

01:28:42.000 Health authorities confirmed that the patient was outdoors in broad daylight when the nocturnal creature struck his hand and flew away.

01:28:49.000 He wasn't doing anything risky.

01:28:50.000 They would put him in a position that would do encounter bats.

01:28:53.000 Dr. Boone, Bonnie Henry of BC's Chief Provincial Health Provider.

01:28:57.000 It was an incredibly unfortunate, strange circumstance for this young man and his family.

01:29:01.000 Okay, so...

01:29:01.000 No visible puncture.

01:29:02.000 Yeah.

01:29:03.000 Or scratch marks.

01:29:04.000 Because apparently they can be microscopic.

01:29:06.000 Yeah.

01:29:07.000 The cuts.

01:29:07.000 So he developed the symptoms of rabies six weeks after the exposure.

01:29:11.000 So it's just as, well, I didn't send the kids up to take care of the bats, is what you're saying.

01:29:14.000 Exactly.

01:29:15.000 All right.

01:29:16.000 I get it.

01:29:16.000 He'd been driving and he pulled over the side of the road...

01:29:18.000 When a bat flew into him.

01:29:20.000 That's like a horror movie.

01:29:22.000 It really is.

01:29:23.000 He got a final destination.

01:29:24.000 He got missed.

01:29:25.000 To be fair, it's not a very interesting horror movie, but it's the idea behind it. 0.99

01:29:31.000 It would only be interesting if it was like World War Z type shit. 0.98

01:29:36.000 But that's kind of what rabies is to animals. 0.99

01:29:39.000 Rabies turns animals into these sick, really aggressive creatures that want to infect you with whatever they're infected with.

01:29:46.000 They want to bite you.

01:29:48.000 Yeah, raccoons.

01:29:50.000 You remember, as a kid, though, the rabies thing was always, you don't want to get rabies because you've got to go in for these series of shots in your stomach.

01:29:57.000 I always remember that.

01:29:57.000 That was always the story.

01:29:59.000 Why the stomach?

01:30:00.000 I don't know.

01:30:00.000 It was like, don't accept apples on Halloween because there'll be a razor blade.

01:30:06.000 It was just sort of like this thing that you always heard as a kid.

01:30:08.000 You're going to get these shots in your stomach, so stay away from raccoons.

01:30:11.000 Yeah, whatever.

01:30:13.000 Worldwide, only five or six people have survived a rabies infection. 0.99

01:30:16.000 Holy shit. 0.98

01:30:17.000 Those are the people you've got to go to when the zombies come, right? 1.00

01:30:20.000 You've got to find those people and harness their blood.

01:30:23.000 BC is home to 17 species of bats with 10 species found in Metro Vancouver.

01:30:30.000 Wow.

01:30:32.000 Risk from rabies and bats is everywhere in BC. Jesus Christ.

01:30:36.000 13% of bats tested positive for rabies.

01:30:39.000 13%?!

01:30:40.000 I always thought of British Columbia as a really nice place to be.

01:30:43.000 But that's in the province.

01:30:45.000 Amongst bats in the wild, the rate is about 1%. 0.99

01:30:48.000 Well, you got a fucking horrible infestation up there, BC. Get your shit together. 1.00

01:30:53.000 Yeah, what are they doing up there? 1.00

01:30:53.000 I'm coming up there at 420. Isn't Prince Harry and Meghan, aren't they going to Vancouver? 1.00

01:30:59.000 We should tell them about the bat thing. 0.99

01:31:01.000 We should.

01:31:02.000 It won't go.

01:31:03.000 They're not going.

01:31:04.000 I forgot to post that my shows are for sale.

01:31:07.000 I did, but not today.

01:31:08.000 They're for sale right now.

01:31:09.000 I'm doing Vancouver on 420. I hope I don't get rabies.

01:31:12.000 Nice.

01:31:12.000 You know when you pass through to get to Vancouver?

01:31:15.000 You kind of pass through sort of Boise, maybe?

01:31:17.000 Do you?

01:31:18.000 Well, not really.

01:31:19.000 Not from here.

01:31:19.000 No, you don't.

01:31:19.000 I'm flying.

01:31:20.000 I'm not driving. 0.99

01:31:21.000 Shit would take days. 0.99

01:31:23.000 What are we, on a wagon train? 1.00

01:31:24.000 Don't you travel in an RV to your shows?

01:31:26.000 Always, yes. 1.00

01:31:27.000 Like fucking Chevy Chase. 1.00

01:31:28.000 Family vacation. 1.00

01:31:30.000 The truckster.

01:31:30.000 The family truckster.

01:31:32.000 Bert takes a goddamn tour bus everywhere. 1.00

01:31:34.000 Bert has a tour bus with his face all over it. 1.00

01:31:37.000 Crazy, crazy asshole. 1.00

01:31:38.000 Have you ever driven across the country? 1.00

01:31:40.000 Yes, when I was a little kid, but it's a long, long time ago.

01:31:43.000 I don't enjoy that kind of waste of time.

01:31:47.000 Not even with the kids getting an RV and driving?

01:31:50.000 No, they would go crazy.

01:31:51.000 My kids would beat me to death. 1.00

01:31:56.000 Shut up, kids! 1.00

01:31:57.000 I'm driving! 1.00

01:31:58.000 They would go, we're not going any further!

01:32:01.000 I think it would be interesting if you had an agenda, like if you were going to go to Grand Canyon, then you were going to go to Zion National Park, you had a bunch of different things to do, and you had months of time, and you could make your way across the country, but just the drive for fucking five days straight across the country, 0.99

01:32:18.000 that can eat a bag of dicks. 1.00

01:32:20.000 I'm not interested in that. 1.00

01:32:22.000 That's boring.

01:32:23.000 I think you're right.

01:32:24.000 Going to a national park in Yellowstone, for example.

01:32:28.000 Anybody who hasn't been to Yellowstone, go to Yellowstone.

01:32:30.000 It's incredible.

01:32:31.000 Don't go into summertime, but go.

01:32:33.000 But I've tried to convince my wife that it's a good idea to get an RV, drive, and spend a couple of weeks with the kids. 1.00

01:32:42.000 And she looks at me like I'm wearing a cardigan.

01:32:44.000 It's that same look I get.

01:32:46.000 Well, it seems like a good idea, but if it was a really good idea, I think more people would be doing it.

01:32:52.000 I think once you actually start doing it, you're like, what am I doing here?

01:32:54.000 I'm just sitting down all day.

01:32:56.000 My back's killing me.

01:32:57.000 The kids are on screens the whole time.

01:33:00.000 When are we going to be there?

01:33:02.000 When are we going to be there?

01:33:04.000 Are we there?

01:33:06.000 How much more time?

01:33:07.000 That's the whole, yeah.

01:33:09.000 Stop touching me. 0.61

01:33:10.000 Stop hitting me.

01:33:11.000 Oh, they get mad at each other.

01:33:12.000 Well, if you're watching screens, too, that's not good for a kid to be watching screens eight hours a day, all day, just driving across the country while they're playing with their iPads.

01:33:22.000 Yeah.

01:33:23.000 Well, you've got to take that away from going back to that other thing we were talking about.

01:33:26.000 Yeah, but then what are they doing, though?

01:33:27.000 Staring out the window?

01:33:28.000 Then they want to talk to you.

01:33:29.000 Oh, Jesus.

01:33:30.000 Yeah, I know, right?

01:33:31.000 Talk to me about TikTok dances.

01:33:32.000 That's what I'm doing.

01:33:34.000 You know you're heading that direction.

01:33:35.000 I know a couple weeks from now, somebody's going to send me a TikTok of you dancing.

01:33:41.000 Trust me.

01:33:42.000 Trust me.

01:33:43.000 That's not happening.

01:33:45.000 There's a lot of guys who swear by that tour bus life, though.

01:33:47.000 They like it.

01:33:48.000 Like my friend Sturgill, Sturgill Simpson, he travels with a tour bus.

01:33:52.000 He said he would rather spend the whole day in a tour bus than an hour on a plane.

01:33:57.000 Like, if he's gonna go from one place to the other, he goes, it's like a living room.

01:34:00.000 Like, you just sit down and relax.

01:34:01.000 And so him and his band, they just chill.

01:34:04.000 They just hang out in this tour bus and smoke a little devil's cabbage and kick back and relax.

01:34:10.000 And it's, yeah, I can see that.

01:34:13.000 I haven't spent most of my life in airports.

01:34:14.000 I get the idea behind it.

01:34:17.000 You're right.

01:34:18.000 It is a time suck, you know, getting from point A to point B. But this country is pretty amazing, and there's a lot to see.

01:34:27.000 There's so much to see, and we tend to overlook that fact.

01:34:31.000 The Europeans always want to make fun of us because 90% of Americans don't have passports.

01:34:36.000 You point out, well, have you driven across Texas?

01:34:39.000 Have you been out west?

01:34:41.000 Have you done these things?

01:34:42.000 Is it that many don't have passports?

01:34:44.000 I think it's a high number.

01:34:45.000 90%?

01:34:46.000 Yeah.

01:34:48.000 Really?

01:34:48.000 The percentage of U.S. citizens that do not own a passport or do not have a passport, I have a feeling it's coming up soon.

01:34:54.000 Well, it's interesting.

01:34:55.000 You didn't even used to need one to get to Canada or Mexico.

01:34:59.000 You used to be able to just have a driver's license, get right across.

01:35:01.000 We had a nice, friendly agreement with everybody.

01:35:03.000 Yeah, you just jump across the river.

01:35:04.000 Yeah, not anymore.

01:35:06.000 Now, what is that whole wall thing going up?

01:35:08.000 Apparently not.

01:35:09.000 I don't know where the wall stands.

01:35:11.000 Well, what the wall is, it's a great little parkour...

01:35:15.000 Set up for these Mexican dudes who know how to climb them. 0.99

01:35:18.000 They're excellent at it.

01:35:19.000 Percentage of the Americans with passports.

01:35:21.000 Oh, it's rising.

01:35:22.000 Oh, okay.

01:35:22.000 Alright, I take it back then.

01:35:24.000 Wow, it's more than 40%.

01:35:26.000 Hmm.

01:35:26.000 Wow.

01:35:27.000 Okay.

01:35:27.000 That's interesting.

01:35:28.000 I mean, it used to be true.

01:35:30.000 Yeah, look at the 1989. It was fucking nobody. 0.99

01:35:34.000 What was happening in 89? 0.99

01:35:36.000 Look in 1989. It's like literally less than 5%.

01:35:39.000 Maybe that's what I was thinking.

01:35:41.000 Maybe I'm stuck in 89. Yeah.

01:35:42.000 I thought that's...

01:35:43.000 Yeah.

01:35:44.000 I could see that.

01:35:45.000 Because the music was great back then.

01:35:46.000 So maybe that's why I'm reliving my 80s.

01:35:48.000 Is that the Reagan days?

01:35:49.000 89?

01:35:50.000 I think that's Reagan.

01:35:52.000 Wasn't Reagan president back then?

01:35:54.000 Bush?

01:35:56.000 Yeah.

01:35:56.000 Is that 88?

01:35:57.000 Maybe, right?

01:35:58.000 Maybe no one wanted to travel because they were worried about the Russians! 1.00

01:36:02.000 88 was when I was 20, so I was 22. What is that?

01:36:05.000 I don't know.

01:36:06.000 76% of people in England and Wales have a UK passport.

01:36:09.000 Okay.

01:36:10.000 I've got a UK passport.

01:36:11.000 Do you?

01:36:11.000 Yeah, I'm a dual citizen, so...

01:36:13.000 Look at you.

01:36:13.000 Yeah, I know, right?

01:36:14.000 How does that work?

01:36:15.000 Well, I'm a little upset with Prince Harry, but other than that, it's working out really well. 0.99

01:36:19.000 Are you mad that he left the throne or whatever the fuck he did? 0.98

01:36:24.000 Doesn't it make sense? 0.99

01:36:26.000 Well, it probably makes sense because I don't know that he's the sharpest tool in the box, and he's probably thinking we can make a lot more money.

01:36:34.000 But they're not supposed to make any money off of being a member of the royal family, and yet they've trademarked, apparently, their brand, Duke and Duchess of Sussex.

01:36:44.000 They're not allowed to make any money off of the royal family.

01:36:47.000 So they're given allotments, allowances, living expenses.

01:36:50.000 How much?

01:36:52.000 It's a significant amount.

01:36:54.000 Look, they've got a house on the grounds of Windsor Castle they're going to continue to live in.

01:36:57.000 So I guess, here's my point. 0.99

01:36:58.000 They can do whatever the fuck they want, but it would have been nice if they told their grandmother so that she didn't have to find out about it on the news. 0.99

01:37:04.000 I thought that was kind of a... 0.99

01:37:05.000 The Queen? 0.99

01:37:06.000 Spotted dick move, but yeah. 1.00

01:37:08.000 Spotted dick move. 1.00

01:37:09.000 The Queen! 1.00

01:37:10.000 She found out on Twitter!

01:37:12.000 Has Prince Harry left the throne?

01:37:14.000 That is a remarkably accurate...

01:37:16.000 Thank you!

01:37:18.000 I've worked hard at it.

01:37:21.000 So she found out on TV, but they want to be financially independent.

01:37:27.000 They trademarked Duke and Duchess of Sussex in a variety of different ways, apparently, and she's going to go back to doing whatever she did.

01:37:35.000 It's that little American hussies he's hooked up with. 1.00

01:37:39.000 She's come to turn him into a Kardashian.

01:37:43.000 That's exactly what's going to happen. 1.00

01:37:44.000 Yeah, well listen, they're already so popular, all they need to do is start endorsing fucking makeup lines and sneakers and watches and shit. 0.99

01:37:51.000 Next thing you know, Jed's a millionaire. 0.98

01:37:53.000 Yeah, well she's got a massive following on Instagram, which I suspect she wants to start to monetize that thing. 1.00

01:37:59.000 Well, how much do you think they make?

01:38:01.000 Find out how much they make.

01:38:02.000 How much do they make from the royal family?

01:38:03.000 Might not be public.

01:38:04.000 Not public? 1.00

01:38:05.000 You think they hide that shit? 1.00

01:38:06.000 He would know better than me. 1.00

01:38:08.000 I don't think they're hiding it.

01:38:10.000 You think they make a million a year?

01:38:11.000 Oh yeah, more than that.

01:38:12.000 I mean, look, he got, I think, from his mother, I think as an inheritance, he got some nine million dollars.

01:38:18.000 Prince Harry!

01:38:20.000 She's probably worth about six million on her own for her acting career. 1.00

01:38:23.000 I didn't know what she was acting in, but... 0.98

01:38:25.000 That little American hussy has ruined my prince! 1.00

01:38:30.000 He's off to Vancouver, and the guy doesn't even know there's a rabies issue there. 1.00

01:38:34.000 There's a fucking 13% bat rabies problem there, buddy. 0.99

01:38:39.000 Right. 1.00

01:38:39.000 Is that where he's going to go? 1.00

01:38:40.000 He's going to go to Vancouver?

01:38:41.000 They're moving to Canada?

01:38:42.000 Apparently they're looking to move part-time to Canada.

01:38:44.000 They're going to start a reality show.

01:38:46.000 I guarantee you some creepy producer got a hold of them and go, guys, listen, you're wasting your time over here in England.

01:38:51.000 It rains too much.

01:38:52.000 Yeah.

01:38:53.000 What are you going to do over here?

01:38:54.000 Look, you're pissing away the money she's worth.

01:38:57.000 Yeah.

01:38:58.000 And he's probably thinking, yeah, I want to get out of this.

01:39:00.000 But then he came out and said, well, we're not going to move to the States.

01:39:03.000 Supposedly, he came out and said, this is all.

01:39:04.000 I can't believe we sound like page six or something.

01:39:06.000 But he came out and said, you know, we're not moving to the States until Trump is not president.

01:39:11.000 Trump is out of office!

01:39:12.000 Exactly.

01:39:13.000 Thank you, Prince Harry, at least for that!

01:39:16.000 This is what the Queen gets, but her grandchildren's money isn't public.

01:39:20.000 Oh my god!

01:39:21.000 The Queen received $58 million free of tax from the Sovereign Grant in the 2016-2017 fiscal year. 0.99

01:39:28.000 Damn. 1.00

01:39:28.000 What kind of goofy shit is that? 1.00

01:39:30.000 Wow. 1.00

01:39:31.000 They give them...

01:39:32.000 More the next year.

01:39:33.000 $58 million.

01:39:35.000 $103 million.

01:39:36.000 $103 million in the next year.

01:39:39.000 It's good to be Queen.

01:39:40.000 To help finance the extensive renovation of Buckingham Palace!

01:39:45.000 We need more money!

01:39:46.000 The palace is pretty impressive.

01:39:48.000 But imagine being a poor person and you find out that the queen, who literally does nothing, is making a hundred million dollars in a year. 1.00

01:39:54.000 Yeah.

01:39:55.000 See, this is why I don't think I could ever say anything negative about the queen.

01:40:00.000 I think I got a tremendous amount of...

01:40:01.000 I feel like she's, you know, grandma.

01:40:04.000 You love her?

01:40:04.000 I do.

01:40:05.000 Because you have a dual citizenship.

01:40:07.000 Yeah.

01:40:07.000 Everybody's brainwashed over that.

01:40:09.000 Yeah, but she has been a remarkably consistent... 1.00

01:40:12.000 She's got a shit show of a family. 1.00

01:40:15.000 Thank you, Michael! 0.99

01:40:16.000 Thank you for standing up to me!

01:40:19.000 That hooligan Joe Rogan and his terrible internet show would be illegal in my country! 1.00

01:40:25.000 I deserve that hundred million dollars, you little fuck! 1.00

01:40:30.000 Think about all the public service she does. 1.00

01:40:32.000 Oh, she's amazing. 0.97

01:40:33.000 It's incredible.

01:40:34.000 Just this alone should be worth a lot of money.

01:40:36.000 Think about it.

01:40:37.000 Each wave is now apparently $103 million.

01:40:39.000 That's a significant amount.

01:40:41.000 Anyway, I don't know how we got down this one.

01:40:43.000 Prince Harry.

01:40:44.000 They left.

01:40:45.000 Oh, that's right.

01:40:45.000 They left to go to rabies town.

01:40:47.000 So if she is making $100 million a year, he's probably making $10 million, right?

01:40:52.000 It's a significant amount.

01:40:54.000 I get it.

01:40:56.000 Okay, they want to go.

01:40:57.000 Again, who cares?

01:40:58.000 But they can't make money off the royal family.

01:41:00.000 They can't make money off the royal family, off the royal brand.

01:41:03.000 So it's like the idea is you're getting paid enough. 0.94

01:41:07.000 What a goofy system.

01:41:08.000 They just give them money for free to be a royal. 1.00

01:41:12.000 And the British taxpayers are saying, like, what the fuck? 0.98

01:41:13.000 We're going to keep subsidizing them, and they're going to go to Canada, and we're going to keep paying them, and they're going to live part-time here, and they're not going to do any of the representational work or whatever. 0.99

01:41:23.000 What does that even entail?

01:41:24.000 I don't know.

01:41:25.000 You've got to show up at events.

01:41:26.000 Well, how about the other prints?

01:41:28.000 How about the other prints?

01:41:29.000 The one that's Epstein's friend.

01:41:32.000 Oh, Andrew.

01:41:33.000 Yeah, that was...

01:41:35.000 First of all, how odd is that guy when they're interviewing him and talking to him?

01:41:41.000 It's like, what?

01:41:42.000 McQueen kicked him to the curb very quickly.

01:41:45.000 Yeah, well, it's very strange.

01:41:47.000 What is your take on this whole Epstein thing?

01:41:49.000 First of all, can we just...

01:41:51.000 Look at that.

01:41:52.000 So, you're sure she's 18?

01:41:54.000 Positive.

01:41:55.000 You're telling me that...

01:41:57.000 She does not look 18. Mm-hmm.

01:42:00.000 She looks 16. Are you sure?

01:42:02.000 You sure? 1.00

01:42:03.000 What a shit show that is. 1.00

01:42:06.000 Yeah, what a shit show. 1.00

01:42:07.000 So let me ask you this right off the bat. 1.00

01:42:09.000 Well, I don't know anything to ask you.

01:42:11.000 He didn't kill himself, right?

01:42:13.000 I don't believe so.

01:42:14.000 Thank you.

01:42:14.000 No, no.

01:42:15.000 And you know me, I'm not a conspiracy guy, right?

01:42:18.000 I don't disappear down to rabbit holes very often, but no, I don't think there's any way in hell he killed himself.

01:42:21.000 Michael Shermer, who's the head of Skeptics Magazine, who doesn't believe anything... 0.92

01:42:27.000 Found out that the tapes were missing and that the fucking, the cameras didn't work and that the tapes were deleted from the first, accidentally deleted from the first time he attempted suicide. 0.87

01:42:37.000 And Shermer's like, oh, this is a conspiracy. 0.94

01:42:39.000 Like, it was enough evidence that one of the biggest skeptic, a professional skeptic, professional, he doesn't believe anything.

01:42:46.000 No.

01:42:49.000 There's no way I could be convinced that he offed himself.

01:42:53.000 No way.

01:42:54.000 He knew too much. 1.00

01:42:58.000 It's astounding, but yeah, what a shit show. 0.99

01:43:01.000 But nobody's going to get to the bottom of anything. 1.00

01:43:04.000 But that's a crazy one.

01:43:05.000 They got him in the jail.

01:43:07.000 The guards are somehow or another getting in trouble, so who knows what the guards are going to say.

01:43:11.000 They might get suicided.

01:43:14.000 My favorite part was the guy they chose for his cellmate. 1.00

01:43:17.000 Do you see the fucking gorilla they chose for his cellmate? 1.00

01:43:19.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:43:20.000 It reminded me of that Richard Pryor, that old Richard Pryor movie.

01:43:23.000 I don't know if you remember that one. 0.99

01:43:26.000 The guy, look at this fucking guy. 1.00

01:43:28.000 This giant goomba, this huge Italian ex-cop who's a murderer and a drug runner. 1.00

01:43:34.000 I mean, this guy is built like a brick shithouse. 0.97

01:43:37.000 And this is Epstein's cellmate.

01:43:40.000 It's like, what?

01:43:42.000 Like, you can't even make this stuff up.

01:43:44.000 Says he never touched him.

01:43:46.000 Of course.

01:43:47.000 Why would I touch him?

01:43:48.000 Nicholas Tardaglioni.

01:43:50.000 Yeah.

01:43:51.000 What does it say?

01:43:52.000 Timeline of events and quadruple homicide?

01:43:54.000 Is that what it says?

01:43:55.000 Yeah, I think so.

01:43:55.000 Yeah.

01:43:56.000 So this fucking guy, this giant... 1.00

01:43:59.000 He likes dogs, though. 1.00

01:44:00.000 Yeah, he loves dogs.

01:44:01.000 They keep them from all the people that he killed.

01:44:04.000 They bark when they're coming around.

01:44:05.000 You can grab your gun.

01:44:06.000 It's a good move.

01:44:07.000 It's just crazy.

01:44:08.000 There's so many pieces to the puzzle that are so ridiculously obvious.

01:44:13.000 And then when you find out that Clinton flew with him at least 26 times...

01:44:17.000 Yeah.

01:44:18.000 26 times.

01:44:19.000 Yeah, I had no idea.

01:44:22.000 Jeff was a good guy.

01:44:24.000 No, it's just one of those things.

01:44:27.000 And again, I'm not a buyer on these sort of things, but you look at the facts around and you think there's no way in hell.

01:44:34.000 And that guy must have known you.

01:44:35.000 You would have thought that Epstein would have said to himself, I'm going to get killed here if I'm not careful.

01:44:41.000 Well, he probably didn't think it was ever going to get to the point where they were actually jailing him. 0.97

01:44:46.000 Remember he had that deal where he was on work release so he could just do whatever he wanted and fuck off for 16 hours a day and then he had to check into the jail at night. 0.80

01:44:54.000 And who even knows what that means? 0.98

01:44:55.000 He might have checked in and just went home again.

01:44:58.000 It seems like they had set something up for him to make it very easy for him to be incarcerated for what should be a pretty heinous crime.

01:45:06.000 I mean, he was...

01:45:07.000 You would think. 0.99

01:45:07.000 Sex with underage girls and... 0.99

01:45:10.000 Sex trafficking. 1.00

01:45:11.000 Yeah, sex trafficking.

01:45:12.000 I mean, not just him doing it.

01:45:13.000 Yes.

01:45:13.000 I mean, it's just the extent to which...

01:45:15.000 And so, yeah, but then you look at...

01:45:17.000 I forget what her name is.

01:45:18.000 Sort of the...

01:45:19.000 Giselle?

01:45:20.000 His assistant, Giselle.

01:45:21.000 What was his name?

01:45:22.000 Giselle?

01:45:22.000 Giselle.

01:45:23.000 How do you say it?

01:45:24.000 What did he say?

01:45:24.000 It has an S in it, but I've heard it pronounced with the S or without.

01:45:27.000 So Ghislaine or Ghislaine.

01:45:28.000 Okay.

01:45:29.000 I don't know.

01:45:29.000 Ghislaine or Ghislaine.

01:45:30.000 Whatever.

01:45:31.000 G. It's called a G-Rocker. 1.00

01:45:33.000 So G-Rocker's out there hiding in the bushes in Columbia or something, right? 0.94

01:45:36.000 Where is she?

01:45:37.000 Where is she?

01:45:37.000 Yeah, that's what I was going to say.

01:45:38.000 I mean, she must be a... 1.00

01:45:39.000 You would assume they've deposed her at this point.

01:45:41.000 She must have something. 1.00

01:45:43.000 She must have some fucking kill switch where if the shit goes down, all the Clinton tapes come piling out onto the fucking floor of Glenn Greenwald's house. 1.00

01:45:52.000 You would think... 1.00

01:45:54.000 I'm like, yeah, you brought it around to Glenn Greenwald.

01:45:56.000 Hey, Glenn, it's Bill.

01:45:58.000 Can we talk?

01:45:59.000 Yeah.

01:46:00.000 You know what?

01:46:00.000 Maybe I should convince...

01:46:02.000 Oh, there she is.

01:46:02.000 That's when she was at In-N-Out reading a book on ex-CIA agents who have been murdered.

01:46:08.000 That's literally what she was reading a book on, right?

01:46:10.000 Wasn't that...

01:46:10.000 Yeah.

01:46:11.000 Yeah.

01:46:12.000 It was about CIA operatives and the murder.

01:46:13.000 So the idea was that what they said, what people believe, and there's many different versions of what people believe, but look how many pictures she posed for it.

01:46:21.000 It's so strange.

01:46:22.000 But what many people believe was that...

01:46:25.000 What he was doing was compromising a lot of these wealthy, powerful people by getting videotapes of them hooking up with young girls, including Prince Andrew, right?

01:46:34.000 Yeah.

01:46:35.000 And for whatever reason.

01:46:37.000 Have you heard of anything like this before?

01:46:39.000 Is this something that's been done in the past?

01:46:41.000 Yeah.

01:46:42.000 Not that I've heard of.

01:46:43.000 I mean, I'm sure it's, you know, anytime you see some freak show, it's never the first time it's happened, right?

01:46:49.000 So you have to assume it's happened, but to the degree that it's got this level of celebrities and big-time names, I mean...

01:46:58.000 It works so well.

01:46:59.000 And I'm going to tell you something after the show's over.

01:47:01.000 I'll tell you something after the show's over.

01:47:04.000 You can just tell me.

01:47:04.000 It's just you and me talking.

01:47:06.000 I hear you in my ears.

01:47:09.000 The North Koreans used to do that. 0.98

01:47:13.000 That was their phone security.

01:47:18.000 They would get on the phone and when they had something really classified to talk about, they would whisper.

01:47:26.000 Okay.

01:47:27.000 That's hilarious.

01:47:28.000 We'll never figure that out.

01:47:30.000 That's really funny.

01:47:31.000 Really?

01:47:31.000 That's how they did it?

01:47:32.000 Yeah.

01:47:33.000 Well, part of it was years ago, I think they just never believed any Westerner could understand Korean. 0.99

01:47:39.000 I think that was kind of part of it, was that they just believed we were all too stupid or we were just so complicated. 0.97

01:47:50.000 It's been quite a while. 0.99

01:48:17.000 Right, right.

01:48:20.000 Yeah, it's a good point.

01:48:22.000 I'd say from an Intel services perspective, I mean, one thing I will say is the U.S., and people are never going to believe this because I'm saying it. 0.99

01:48:29.000 They'll say, oh, that's bullshit. 0.86

01:48:31.000 But the U.S., the agency doesn't do that. 0.99

01:48:33.000 We don't use honey traps.

01:48:35.000 We don't do that sort of thing because that sort of leverage, it's always going to head south on you.

01:48:41.000 And so we don't try to coerce somebody in sort of a relationship that then we can take advantage of.

01:48:50.000 And yet other services do, Russians being one of them, they do that all the time. 0.93

01:48:56.000 Israelis, yeah, they've had some very successful efforts to do that.

01:49:00.000 And if you get somebody in that position, It doesn't matter how they're compromising themselves, whether you're putting themselves in with like an Epstein situation where suddenly you've got video of them with an underage person, or whether they've provided a document that they shouldn't provide.

01:49:20.000 The concept is always the same.

01:49:22.000 It doesn't matter what that action is.

01:49:26.000 You're getting them on the hook.

01:49:28.000 You're getting something that's leverageable over them.

01:49:33.000 If they don't just go forward immediately, say, and turn around to their boss and say, I'm guilty.

01:49:39.000 I did this.

01:49:41.000 Sorry.

01:49:42.000 Then they're compromised.

01:49:43.000 And then you've got them.

01:49:45.000 As an intel service, you've got them.

01:49:46.000 You can start reeling the hook in because now you know that not only did they do something that provided you with a document, even if it was an unclassified document.

01:49:53.000 If I go to somebody, if I'm developing a relationship with somebody, some target overseas or whatever, and I'm thinking – All right.

01:49:59.000 Now I'm exploring.

01:50:00.000 This person's got access.

01:50:01.000 They're in an interesting position.

01:50:02.000 They're in an interesting job.

01:50:03.000 And they've got access to information that we want to know that's priority target.

01:50:08.000 And then I want to say, okay, now I want to develop the relationship a little bit.

01:50:12.000 Maybe I bump into the person at a few parties. 0.99

01:50:14.000 Maybe we're in the same parent-teacher organization, whatever the shit is, right? 0.99

01:50:18.000 And our kids play on the same soccer team. 0.99

01:50:20.000 So then I go and I think, okay, what do I want to do?

01:50:23.000 I want to test the waters a little bit.

01:50:25.000 I'm not going to say, hey, listen, I understand you work in the foreign ministry here in whatever country you happen to be in.

01:50:31.000 How about you give me some documents?

01:50:32.000 But instead, maybe it's something different.

01:50:34.000 Maybe they work at the foreign ministry.

01:50:36.000 Maybe they work at an aerospace business.

01:50:39.000 That's a target.

01:50:41.000 But you've developed a bit of a relationship, and then you say, yeah, my kid's doing this school project, and it's all about...

01:50:47.000 Whatever, hypersonic flight.

01:50:49.000 And you know that they work at some aerospace company and say, do you have anything just on hypersonics?

01:50:58.000 And you're not looking for anything classified.

01:51:00.000 You're just looking for a research paper or a study or something.

01:51:04.000 And if they come back and say, yeah, you know what?

01:51:07.000 Here, this is an interesting study.

01:51:10.000 Now that act alone, they're not giving you something classified, but that act alone means something big, right?

01:51:15.000 It means they were taskable in a sense, right?

01:51:18.000 They responded to your request for information. 0.99

01:51:21.000 They're suckers. 0.98

01:51:22.000 Not suckers necessarily. 0.99

01:51:23.000 It could be an enormously smart person, but, you know, and smart people get, yeah, they get suckered into it. 0.52

01:51:29.000 I guess you could put it that way, but...

01:51:32.000 So anyway, then you go from there.

01:51:34.000 Then you ratchet it up slowly, you know, bit by bit if you've got the time frame to do it.

01:51:38.000 Maybe sometimes, you know, you've got to shorten time frame because there's a requirement to get something and you've got to accelerate the whole process.

01:51:44.000 Anyway, so the point being is it's all leverageable.

01:51:47.000 And Epstein was obviously getting leverage on all these different people for whatever his purpose was.

01:51:52.000 What do you think?

01:51:52.000 That's what the question is.

01:51:53.000 What could he possibly...

01:51:54.000 A lot of them were scientists.

01:51:56.000 He went with a lot of celebrities.

01:51:59.000 There was heads of state.

01:52:01.000 I don't think he needed money.

01:52:02.000 Right.

01:52:02.000 Well, what was he...

01:52:03.000 I don't know.

01:52:04.000 I mean, maybe he just...

01:52:05.000 Who knows?

01:52:06.000 Maybe he got off on sort of being the kingpin in this whole thing.

01:52:11.000 It's a good question.

01:52:12.000 It had to be funded, right?

01:52:14.000 So, I mean, there had to be something valuable that they were getting from it.

01:52:18.000 I'm guessing.

01:52:20.000 I don't know.

01:52:21.000 It hasn't been spelled out to me.

01:52:22.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:52:23.000 Like, I've tried to figure out the angle, but I mean, I get the idea of you would have leverage over these people, you'd have them in compromising situations, and then they would do things for you.

01:52:33.000 But what would they do for you?

01:52:34.000 Yeah.

01:52:35.000 Like, what is he getting Bill Clinton to do for him?

01:52:37.000 It's a good question.

01:52:37.000 Providing him with access, maybe he liked being close to, you know, the seat of power, or maybe, you know, he liked being close to what he thought was, like, a royal family member, you know, maybe...

01:52:46.000 Who knows?

01:52:47.000 Because it sounds like he had all the money he needed.

01:52:49.000 So maybe it was that sort of access that blew his skirt up.

01:52:54.000 I don't know.

01:52:54.000 But it is – yeah, it is interesting.

01:52:58.000 But I don't think – I mean, look, it's been kicked to the curb.

01:53:04.000 Obviously, they're doing the trial, I guess, to some degree, but I don't think...

01:53:07.000 I don't know where they stand in that trial.

01:53:08.000 Nothing's going to happen.

01:53:08.000 Yeah, nothing's going to happen.

01:53:09.000 We've already swept it under the rug, and there's already news stories out that have got our attention.

01:53:13.000 We forget about things so quickly today.

01:53:15.000 The news cycle is so fast.

01:53:17.000 When something happens, even something as ridiculous as the Epstein case, where it's so obvious that he was murdered, and then Michael Baden goes on 60 Minutes and says, this is... 0.56

01:53:26.000 I'm consistent with someone who is strangled.

01:53:27.000 I've never, in all my years of seeing people hanged.

01:53:30.000 I've never seen them with these kind of fractures.

01:53:31.000 These fractures are indicative of strangulation.

01:53:34.000 And that is one serious-minded dude, too, right?

01:53:36.000 Michael Badden?

01:53:36.000 Yeah.

01:53:36.000 Tremendous amount of experience.

01:53:38.000 And, you know, he doesn't blow smoke up anybody's ass, right? 0.99

01:53:41.000 No. 0.99

01:53:41.000 He's very measured. 0.99

01:53:42.000 And, you know, now obviously he was there on behalf of...

01:53:46.000 Epstein's brother, I guess.

01:53:49.000 But, you know, anyway, it's one of those things where you think, maybe I'm going to put that down as something we should explore.

01:53:58.000 I want to go visit that cop in jail.

01:54:00.000 He's probably got a fur-lined cell now.

01:54:02.000 Taglioni?

01:54:02.000 Yeah, he's got a giant 72-inch TV. All the dogs with him.

01:54:06.000 Yeah, all the dogs are there.

01:54:09.000 What's happening here?

01:54:12.000 This is the best gig I've ever had.

01:54:14.000 Wire marks in his hands. 0.99

01:54:17.000 Fucking tighten up. 0.99

01:54:19.000 I mean, if you're going to get someone to strangle your cellmate, that's the guy, too. 1.00

01:54:22.000 I mean, he'd fucking do it in three seconds. 0.99

01:54:23.000 He's so big. 0.98

01:54:24.000 Yeah, you don't want somebody who's got to take their time because they can't exert enough pressure.

01:54:28.000 You want some Kevin Spacey dude strangling.

01:54:29.000 It's going to take forever.

01:54:30.000 It's old still.

01:54:31.000 You want some big gorilla dude. 0.65

01:54:33.000 Yeah.

01:54:33.000 Oh, God.

01:54:35.000 Well, I tell you what, if this new series I'm doing gets picked up for a second season, I'm going to recommend to the producers they put the Epstein case on there.

01:54:43.000 Even though it's not quite in line with what we do.

01:54:45.000 Yeah, you sent me a...

01:54:47.000 I'll forward it to Jamie.

01:54:48.000 Did you get it, Jamie?

01:54:49.000 So let's look at the trailer for this.

01:54:51.000 What is it called?

01:54:52.000 It's called Black Files Declassified.

01:54:54.000 And what is it based on?

01:54:55.000 It's on the Science Channel, Discovery Science Channel.

01:54:58.000 And essentially, it's a series looking at something called the Black Budget, right?

01:55:03.000 Let's play the trail.

01:55:05.000 Let's do that.

01:55:05.000 Let's go to the clip.

01:55:06.000 And then we'll talk about it.

01:55:07.000 Let's go to the clip.

01:55:08.000 Ladies and gentlemen, Black Files Declassified.

01:55:11.000 Wow.

01:55:14.000 Listen to that.

01:55:15.000 A top-secret aviation program.

01:55:18.000 They will neither confirm nor deny the existence of records.

01:55:23.000 Funded by a mysterious money trail.

01:55:25.000 There was a lot of thought into how we're going to hide the various pots of money.

01:55:30.000 Could revolutionize flight.

01:55:32.000 Do you think that you'll see manned hypersonic flight in your lifetime?

01:55:37.000 Oh, yeah.

01:55:38.000 And unleash a new lethal technology.

01:55:41.000 Extremely high speeds, Mach 5, 6. That would make these cruise missiles almost impossible to defend against.

01:55:55.000 Every year, more than 90 billion dollars is allocated to clandestine government programs, collectively called the Black Budget.

01:56:03.000 Each individual operation is a black file.

01:56:07.000 I'm Mike Baker.

01:56:08.000 As a covert CIA operations officer for over a decade and a half, I supervised missions around the globe.

01:56:16.000 My security clearances gave me access to many classified projects.

01:56:22.000 Now, I'm following the money trail to the secrets hidden inside the Black Files. 0.99

01:56:35.000 Damn. 0.99

01:56:35.000 I'd watch that. 0.99

01:56:36.000 I'd watch that.

01:56:37.000 I'd watch that thing over and over again. 1.00

01:56:40.000 Well, all that kind of shit's fascinating to me. 0.99

01:56:43.000 Manned hypersonic flight? 0.99

01:56:45.000 Does that mean like single?

01:56:47.000 That's one of our first episodes, yeah.

01:56:49.000 When you say manned hypersonic, like they used to have the Concorde.

01:56:52.000 That was hypersonic, right?

01:56:53.000 No.

01:56:53.000 It wasn't?

01:56:54.000 No.

01:56:54.000 No, hypersonic is...

01:56:55.000 Essentially anything over Mach 5 is hypersonic.

01:56:58.000 And so we don't have, there's no manned hypersonic flight yet.

01:57:02.000 So the Concorde was the speed of sound.

01:57:04.000 Yeah.

01:57:05.000 And this is faster than the speed of sound.

01:57:07.000 Yeah, five times faster.

01:57:09.000 I mean, you're talking about a mile a second or so.

01:57:12.000 For a missile, a missile traveling.

01:57:14.000 So that's what, Russia just came out and announced a deployment of a new hypersonic missile.

01:57:20.000 Or a weapon.

01:57:21.000 And that's where the war in space is going, basically, is into hypersonic, mostly unmanned.

01:57:30.000 There's some effort to try to figure out, can we create a manned vehicle?

01:57:35.000 It's really problematic because you think about traveling that fast and you think about what that means for punching through the air and the heat and the materials that are needed.

01:57:44.000 But as far as unmanned glide vehicles or whatever, I mean, that's where a tremendous amount of resources are being put right now by the Russians, the Chinese, the U.S. But it's pretty frightening because we don't have any way to defend against it.

01:58:01.000 Like the one fellow mentioned in that clip is that if you think about a sort of a ballistic missile, it's got a trajectory, right?

01:58:10.000 It goes up and it comes down, just like the Cold War days.

01:58:13.000 We had all the defenses set up to intercept Russian missiles coming towards us.

01:58:18.000 Well, we knew what the path was going to be.

01:58:20.000 And so we were able to deploy a defense system against this.

01:58:23.000 The idea with hypersonic weapons is you have no idea, right?

01:58:27.000 You've got almost no warning and you can't – you have no idea what that trajectory is for those weapons.

01:58:33.000 It's going so fast.

01:58:33.000 It's going so fast and it's adjustable, right?

01:58:36.000 So it's not just depending on – a missile, ballistic missile goes up and it's going to come down and you know exactly what that path is going to look like.

01:58:41.000 So they can adjust it like they can slow it down?

01:58:44.000 You can slow it down.

01:58:45.000 You can change direction.

01:58:46.000 What?

01:58:46.000 Yeah.

01:58:47.000 So you think about it.

01:58:48.000 It's a big deal.

01:58:49.000 So one of our – I think it may be our first episode is going to be focused on hypersonics.

01:58:55.000 But there's a variety of other episodes in this thing.

01:58:58.000 But it's all looking at this idea that the black budget exists.

01:59:01.000 It does exist.

01:59:02.000 And there's each project, whether it is a project to develop hypersonic flight technology.

01:59:08.000 I think?

01:59:26.000 What started this thing off was the idea that, well, what if you just – literally just did follow the money and try to figure out from the money trails how they were developing these projects and could you identify the various projects that these pots of money go to?

01:59:40.000 It turned out to be really – it's very interesting.

01:59:42.000 I'm subjective of course but it's pretty good and it's – we don't have a specific air date yet.

01:59:50.000 They're being very mum about it but it will be on Sunday nights.

01:59:54.000 Coming to a science channel near you soon.

01:59:56.000 So with these hypersonic missiles, they can, like, you can't judge from the path that it's gone so far where it's going.

02:00:06.000 Right, exactly.

02:00:07.000 Because they can steer them in real time?

02:00:09.000 Yeah.

02:00:09.000 Yeah, the idea being is it's not following a It's not following a known trajectory.

02:00:13.000 It's not following a ballistic trajectory.

02:00:16.000 The effort to try to develop manned hypersonic flight has got a really fascinating history, and particularly here in the US. But we're not there.

02:00:33.000 We're not there yet.

02:00:34.000 It may not happen in our lifetimes just because of the difficulties.

02:00:38.000 I mean I interviewed some terrific people during the course of that, which is the best part of this.

02:00:43.000 Sirius being, from my perspective, you travel around, you see all these interesting things, you talk to these fantastic folks, right?

02:00:48.000 I mean, some incredible people, a former pilot for the old Blackbird program, right?

02:00:53.000 This guy, you know, strap into this thing and get up to altitude, you know, on the edge of the atmosphere, doing these overflights of Russia and, you know, gathering or wherever and gathering intelligence.

02:01:09.000 And just the dangers involved in these aircraft, these experimental aircraft that were being designed and the whole goal being eventually trying to work your way towards this hypersonic manned flight.

02:01:18.000 These people are amazing.

02:01:20.000 You start talking to some of them and you realize what people are capable of if they can...

02:01:26.000 If they can set aside their fear and they have that risk appetite.

02:01:31.000 That's a funny way of putting it.

02:01:32.000 Risk appetite?

02:01:34.000 Yeah.

02:01:34.000 Well, I mean, they just don't think.

02:01:36.000 I mean, a test pilot doesn't think the way that you are.

02:01:38.000 Well, maybe he thinks the way you do, but not the way I do.

02:01:40.000 I mean, you talk to some of these folks.

02:01:43.000 Yeah, I know what you're saying.

02:01:45.000 But anyway, so...

02:01:46.000 The first person, like the first person who goes up in one of those things.

02:01:50.000 Forget about all the testing and all the structural rigidity documents and all the data and everything that's showing you this is absolutely safe.

02:02:00.000 Like, it's not.

02:02:01.000 It's not.

02:02:01.000 No, there's nothing safe about it.

02:02:02.000 And like that one fellow that I... There was a little bit in the clip where I asked this old guy, looks like somebody's granddad, right?

02:02:09.000 You know, do you believe there'll be manned hypersonic flight in your lifetime?

02:02:12.000 He says, just...

02:02:13.000 This guy's – the story of this guy testing experimental aircraft to try to get to that point and some of the things that he did and it's astounding.

02:02:23.000 You look at him and you think you're not normal and I talked to his wife and she said, yeah, it's interesting.

02:02:30.000 She's been married to him forever but she says one of the interesting things you learn about being married to somebody like this.

02:02:34.000 A test pilot or somebody else in a position like that is, you know, they don't process things the same way.

02:02:40.000 They don't necessarily have a lot of empathy because they're just focused on this thing, right?

02:02:44.000 And they're not necessarily thinking, well, I don't want to go up there and die because I'd be leaving my family behind and all, you know.

02:02:49.000 It's not in the thought process.

02:02:51.000 Anyway, so there you have it, ladies and gentlemen.

02:02:55.000 What do you think about all this...

02:02:59.000 The New York Times had articles about it.

02:03:02.000 Air Force test pilots have come out talking about encountering flying saucers or unidentified flying objects, particularly Commander Fravor who had that tip-tack thing.

02:03:14.000 What do you think about all that?

02:03:18.000 I'm a shameless marketer.

02:03:20.000 We do an episode on that, on AATIP, on the Advanced Aviation Threat Identification Program.

02:03:27.000 And look, again, I always say the same thing.

02:03:29.000 I'm not a conspiracy guy.

02:03:31.000 I tend to be very cynical about everything.

02:03:33.000 But after talking to some of these folks, including Fravor and a handful of others, who were both pilots and also were involved in the AATIP program for the U.S. government, for the military, There's things out there that we haven't been able to identify.

02:03:52.000 I'm not jumping on the alien train necessarily, but what I'm saying is that there are things that extremely experienced pilots, military pilots with significant amounts of experience couldn't figure out,

02:04:09.000 couldn't identify.

02:04:11.000 So I'm certainly not going to be smart enough to say, okay, this is what it was.

02:04:14.000 Was it a foreign government's experimental aircraft?

02:04:18.000 Was it something – I don't know.

02:04:20.000 But what I do know is that the US government took it seriously enough that they developed their own internal program within the Pentagon to try to sort out the wheat from the chaff, right, and say, okay, what do we actually have to worry about in part because it's a national security issue, right?

02:04:35.000 If there is an aircraft or if there's something up there that a pilot – a military pilot sees, for instance, that can't identify – All right.

02:04:44.000 We have an obligation to figure out what that is because if it's a hostile foreign government's efforts to develop craft that we don't know about or propulsion systems we don't know about, then yes, we should be working on that issue.

02:04:56.000 The problem has always been that once you talk about that, then people immediately go, oh, aliens, huh?

02:05:02.000 Area 51. And it kind of gets dismissed.

02:05:04.000 Yeah.

02:05:05.000 But there was a much more serious effort than I knew about before I started working on this thing.

02:05:10.000 And so I don't know.

02:05:13.000 I think – I've got an open mind about that.

02:05:17.000 It's like that old thing about how – can we really be the only people out here or life forms out here?

02:05:25.000 I don't know.

02:05:25.000 That seems a little – It seems unrealistic.

02:05:32.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:05:33.000 When a guy like Fravor, that's the thing.

02:05:36.000 When someone who's that rock solid comes out and tells the story, and he's not deviating from his story, he's not a guy who's trying to make money, he doesn't have a history of telling fantastic stories.

02:05:47.000 And he knew what it meant when he was going to come forward and talk about this.

02:05:49.000 And you've got the gun cameras, and you've got the radar operators who also saw the same thing.

02:05:54.000 They saw it, and they said it was actively jamming their radar. 0.99

02:05:57.000 Which they said, what the fuck? 0.99

02:05:58.000 And then the way it moved from 60,000 feet down to 200 feet in less than a second. 0.99

02:06:03.000 And no signs of any propulsion system.

02:06:06.000 No, there's several things about that that...

02:06:09.000 Yeah, it'll leave you scratching your head.

02:06:10.000 Again, I'm not making a case one way or the other.

02:06:14.000 The point of this is to, again, is to kind of use the money trail as a way to get inside some of these programs and then to the degree that you can talk about things that are declassified.

02:06:28.000 You know, not necessarily trying to make a case.

02:06:31.000 We're not trying to say it is this or it is that, you know, but I think we're presenting a lot of interesting information that, you know, again, with this situation with Fravor as an example, you know, you come away from it and you think, okay, I'm not dismissing anything at this point.

02:06:44.000 Just, you know, it would be, I think, foolish to or...

02:06:47.000 Anyway, so interesting stuff, but...

02:06:50.000 Was that ever anything that came up during your career?

02:06:53.000 No.

02:06:53.000 I was pretty much straightforward.

02:06:57.000 Pound the ground through some counterinsurgency operations, counter-narcotics, counter-terrorism operations.

02:07:03.000 We never did any counter-alien things.

02:07:07.000 That was a different operation.

02:07:09.000 That was on a floor we weren't allowed to go onto at the headquarters.

02:07:12.000 It seems like if we had to admit it was real, if it was something that was real, and we were being contacted on a regular basis, or at least a semi-regular basis, that would change the way everybody feels about everything.

02:07:25.000 Yes.

02:07:26.000 Remember when Reagan gave that speech?

02:07:28.000 I think it was the United Nations.

02:07:29.000 He said, imagine how easily we would come together if we were faced with a threat from an alien world.

02:07:34.000 Right.

02:07:35.000 And everybody was like, oh my god, he knows something!

02:07:37.000 The aliens!

02:07:40.000 He's about to spill the beans.

02:07:41.000 Yeah, that's what we were hoping.

02:07:43.000 All the UFO dorks like myself.

02:07:45.000 Well, but think about it.

02:07:45.000 I mean, think if that did come out, which is part of the allure, right, is the idea that the government's been keeping this from us for all these years.

02:07:53.000 And you think about what that would mean.

02:07:56.000 Not just obviously, oh my god, really, there's something going on out there.

02:07:58.000 But then sort of that breakdown in trust.

02:08:01.000 Not that it's not happening already in terms of the government and its ability to...

02:08:07.000 I mean, look, Area 51. Area 51 was scouted out for use as an experimental, you know, test site for aircraft.

02:08:18.000 And, you know, it made perfect sense.

02:08:20.000 Well, then you get all these experimental aircraft being developed out there and flown some successfully, some not. 0.95

02:08:25.000 And, you know, locals, you know, see this shit, you know, locals being a fairly good-sized region because of the distance on these. 0.93

02:08:34.000 And, you know, it's understandable how you start getting some of these stories. 0.98

02:08:40.000 But, you know, having said that, you know, I sat down with Fravor, right?

02:08:46.000 We talked about this a lot for this one episode, and I talked to several others.

02:08:53.000 Yeah, again, I come away and I'm not sure what to think, but again, I'm not closing the book on anything at this point.

02:08:59.000 See, the way I looked at it is if these were unique expeditions from another planet, or whatever it is, that comes here, some alien spacecraft, all they'd have to do is come here once.

02:09:10.000 Or twice.

02:09:11.000 Get fed up?

02:09:12.000 Well, not even that, but I used to have a bit about how Earth is the Tijuana of outer space. 0.98

02:09:17.000 They only come down here when they're fucked up and they want to see a show. 0.95

02:09:21.000 That's why they don't stay. 1.00

02:09:22.000 They just come down and go, what the fuck? 0.98

02:09:24.000 Like, no one's doing any science expeditions to Tijuana. 0.99

02:09:27.000 I'm not going back there.

02:09:28.000 No way.

02:09:29.000 Not unless I'm drunk again.

02:09:30.000 Yeah.

02:09:31.000 Well, I was just thinking that if they were going to come down here and examine us, I mean, they could just do it a couple of times, and people have these stories, and everybody else dismisses it, like, where are they?

02:09:42.000 Where are they?

02:09:42.000 I don't see any aliens.

02:09:43.000 Because you really wouldn't, and you probably don't.

02:09:46.000 If they're capable of moving at the speed that Fravor described, where it was just impossible to track with the human eye...

02:09:54.000 They're not going to view us as a threat.

02:09:55.000 No.

02:09:55.000 I don't think they think we're a threat.

02:09:57.000 I think they're just, I don't know.

02:09:59.000 They're not going to look at us and say we want to steal their technology.

02:10:01.000 It's the most fascinating thing to me.

02:10:03.000 Out of all the weird what-ifs and who could do this and how could that be true, the alien one is the most fascinating.

02:10:10.000 Because if that was real, and if we somehow or another one day get some undeniable proof, like the Fravor film, the film footage, the gunner footage, the radar footage, that's pretty goddamn compelling.

02:10:23.000 But man, if there was something like off the charts...

02:10:25.000 Well, and that's the problem always, and people will point to that and say, you know, even the gun camera footage is, you know, look at this.

02:10:33.000 It's hard to follow a little bit.

02:10:35.000 It's not clear necessarily what it is I'm looking at. 0.86

02:10:38.000 But it is more compelling than a lot of the other crap that's been out there. 0.66

02:10:43.000 So I think it was surprising. 0.96

02:10:46.000 But yeah, the hypersonics is the – of all the episodes we did, I think the hypersonics is the one that's – It really makes you stand up and think this is pretty fucked up if we get beat to this.

02:11:00.000 You don't want to be in an arms race, but you essentially are.

02:11:04.000 Who are we in the biggest race with?

02:11:06.000 Is it Russia?

02:11:07.000 China.

02:11:08.000 China.

02:11:08.000 Because China is more resources.

02:11:09.000 Russia would say it's theirs. 0.94

02:11:10.000 It's them.

02:11:11.000 They're claiming that they've got abilities.

02:11:15.000 But Putin is always getting out ahead of his skis.

02:11:17.000 And they've got the GDP of a small European country, right?

02:11:21.000 So particularly when oil is down where it is.

02:11:24.000 And so China's got the resources, the motivation.

02:11:27.000 They view themselves as they want to be at the top of the heap.

02:11:31.000 They also have technological innovation at a very, very, very high level.

02:11:35.000 Some of it's stolen.

02:11:37.000 Yeah.

02:11:37.000 Did I say that?

02:11:38.000 Yeah.

02:11:38.000 A lot of it's stolen.

02:11:39.000 Okay, fine.

02:11:40.000 Some of it's stolen.

02:11:41.000 All right.

02:11:41.000 A lot of it.

02:11:42.000 But still, I mean, they're kind of clever.

02:11:44.000 Like, hey, we didn't figure it out, but it's already been figured out.

02:11:47.000 Let's just steal it and then improve upon it. 0.97

02:11:48.000 Oh, no, they can reverse engineer the shit out of anything, right? 0.97

02:11:51.000 And then they do learn from that. 0.91

02:11:53.000 Yeah.

02:11:54.000 But, yeah, it's...

02:11:57.000 China would be the number one. 0.99

02:11:59.000 Look, if you go to Washington, the interesting thing about threats, if you look and say, okay, what are the top threats in the face of the U.S.? The top three have never really changed in decades, right?

02:12:10.000 Russia, China, Iran.

02:12:11.000 And then what fills out the top two after – if you go for the top five, critical infrastructure here in the U.S., which is actually probably at the top.

02:12:19.000 I mean if you say to people in D.C. what worries you the most, they'll say attacks on our critical infrastructure.

02:12:25.000 But Russia, China, Iran, they may switch places occasionally, but they're always up there in that top five.

02:12:30.000 Terrorism ranks somewhere down lower.

02:12:33.000 But it's – so China is always going to be an issue and they've been very aggressive both in terms of acquiring information, economic espionage, their military build out and their desire to kind of take back the Pacific from us.

02:12:51.000 And so yeah, it's our primary competitor.

02:12:54.000 But Russia punches above its weight. 0.61

02:12:57.000 And the narrative about Russia collusion has captured the imagination for three years now and still seems to hold some interest for some Dems in Washington DC no matter what happens.

02:13:08.000 But – and then Iran kind of plays that role because of its nuclear pursuits.

02:13:14.000 North Korea is up there to some degree but kind of bounces in and out of the top.

02:13:18.000 Anyway, for what that's worth.

02:13:20.000 But yeah, if you – suddenly we find that Fravor is right or that there's this contact.

02:13:27.000 Suddenly, guess what?

02:13:29.000 That's it.

02:13:29.000 That's the top concern at that point.

02:13:31.000 That's number one.

02:13:31.000 Right, right.

02:13:32.000 I mean, the hope is always that if we're about to nuke ourselves into another dimension, that the aliens will come down and go hit dummies.

02:13:38.000 Just like a 1950s movie.

02:13:40.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:13:41.000 Hey, fucking idiots. 1.00

02:13:42.000 Stop doing that. 1.00

02:13:43.000 The Day the Earth Stood Still.

02:13:44.000 Yeah, remember that one?

02:13:45.000 Yeah.

02:13:46.000 Klaatu Barada Niktu.

02:13:48.000 Wow.

02:13:48.000 Remember that?

02:13:49.000 Look at you.

02:13:50.000 Yeah.

02:13:50.000 That's pretty impressive, actually.

02:13:52.000 The Day the Earth Stood Still is a great fucking movie. 0.99

02:13:54.000 It was a great movie. 0.99

02:13:55.000 It's weird.

02:13:56.000 It's like a time capsule, right?

02:13:57.000 Because of what they thought it would look like.

02:13:59.000 Yeah.

02:14:00.000 The robot, it's just...

02:14:01.000 Yeah, no, I love the movie.

02:14:04.000 I tried to get my boys to sit and watch it not too long ago, and they were like, really, Dad?

02:14:07.000 This is what you spend your time watching?

02:14:10.000 You know what was interesting?

02:14:10.000 It was like a normal thing that the family took the alien in their house.

02:14:15.000 Yeah.

02:14:15.000 Come on in.

02:14:16.000 Stay with us, strange person from another land. 0.99

02:14:18.000 Why wouldn't you?

02:14:19.000 Yeah, why wouldn't you?

02:14:19.000 He's talking to the kid.

02:14:21.000 Like, you're not even a little suspicious?

02:14:23.000 You don't think this guy might be a creep?

02:14:25.000 What's your favorite movie, sort of alien space genre movie?

02:14:30.000 Well, I like the best one is Alien, the Sigourney Weaver movie.

02:14:34.000 The first one.

02:14:35.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:14:36.000 That's most likely what alien life is going to be like, some horrific parasitic Fucking creature that eats everything it finds. 1.00

02:14:44.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:14:44.000 That, to me, seems likely. 1.00

02:14:46.000 Yeah.

02:14:47.000 That seems more likely.

02:14:48.000 I remember sitting in the theater when that movie came out, watching it, and when it popped out of that guy's chest, the entire theater jumped.

02:14:56.000 Yeah.

02:14:56.000 It was just crazy, but...

02:14:58.000 It's hard because you watch that movie today and you're watching it having seen all the other movies that it's affected and all the other science fiction genre movies and special effects movies, but that movie was special.

02:15:12.000 In 1979 when that movie came out, that was a special movie. 0.87

02:15:16.000 That was a fucking horrifically scary movie and it was realistic. 0.99

02:15:21.000 There was no cut the shit scenes. 1.00

02:15:24.000 Everything seemed legitimate. 0.98

02:15:25.000 The creature was completely unique.

02:15:28.000 Weaver was hot. 1.00

02:15:29.000 Hot as fuck. 1.00

02:15:31.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:15:31.000 I mean, honestly, we're looking at pictures of Liz Hurley. 0.99

02:15:35.000 We should be looking at Sigourney Weaver.

02:15:36.000 And that's a great movie where a woman is the hero and you're not flinching.

02:15:44.000 There's no part where you're going, what?

02:15:46.000 What is she doing? 0.99

02:15:47.000 She's kicking everybody's ass? 1.00

02:15:48.000 Get the fuck out of here. 1.00

02:15:49.000 That's a movie where we're like, that's a real hero. 0.98

02:15:53.000 That's a real hero who rises to the occasion in this horrific situation where this ship has been overtaken by an alien.

02:16:00.000 I think that there's things out there.

02:16:03.000 I don't know if I believe, I want to believe that we've been visited, but I don't know if I believe.

02:16:09.000 I think there's things out there.

02:16:11.000 Yeah, I'm on board with the second part of that as well.

02:16:15.000 I don't know.

02:16:16.000 I find it hard to believe it would be such a secret.

02:16:19.000 But, you know, and also knowing the U.S. government, look, I mean, you know, it's harder to find out from the network when they're going to start this show than getting secrets out of Washington, D.C., right?

02:16:30.000 So I'm thinking, you know, we would have known for now if it had happened.

02:16:35.000 But I do believe there's other secrets.

02:16:38.000 I can't believe we're it.

02:16:40.000 I don't think we're it.

02:16:43.000 Maybe we're being hopeful.

02:16:45.000 I can't believe we're it. 0.96

02:16:46.000 But I'm also fascinated to think that if they did know that something was here, that they would visit it occasionally, drop in on it occasionally for a scientific expedition to see what the fuck we're up to. 0.96

02:17:01.000 Yeah. 0.95

02:17:02.000 Unless they just got so disgusted the last time.

02:17:05.000 They just thought, that's it.

02:17:05.000 I'm done.

02:17:06.000 I don't think so.

02:17:06.000 We don't get disgusted when we go visit baboons.

02:17:10.000 When we study baboons, scientists return.

02:17:13.000 Robert Sapolsky, he spent many years going back and forth to Africa studying baboons. 0.99

02:17:18.000 And baboons are boring as fuck compared to people. 1.00

02:17:22.000 If you weren't a person, if you weren't a person, if you were from some enlightened race a million years advanced from us, you would be so fascinated to come by and look at people. 1.00

02:17:32.000 Yeah, although they probably look at us like we're a bunch of shit-flinging monkeys, so I think you're probably right. 0.90

02:17:37.000 I mean, if we had a time machine, tell me it wouldn't be amazing if there was a time machine but it could only go back 500,000 years ago to the beginning of man. 0.97

02:17:45.000 Like the early, you know, whatever ancient hominid that was that was alive back then. 0.71

02:17:51.000 God damn, that would be fascinating to be a fly on the wall and watch these primitive humanoids try to figure out fire and try to figure out hunting and become what we are today. 1.00

02:18:02.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:18:03.000 Yeah.

02:18:03.000 There would probably be moments, right?

02:18:05.000 I wouldn't want to sit and watch the whole thing because I think that would be boring as shit. 0.97

02:18:09.000 I mean, come on, just get on with it. 0.98

02:18:11.000 Chip that rock into a circle.

02:18:13.000 Do something with it.

02:18:13.000 Come on.

02:18:14.000 But I think that, yeah, you're right.

02:18:17.000 I mean, if there's higher life forms out there, and you'd have to assume they are higher life forms if they're traveling these distances, and again, looking at the issues of propulsion systems for hypersonic flight, etc., Would they look at this bunch of folks down here and think,

02:18:34.000 just not interested?

02:18:35.000 I don't know.

02:18:36.000 I think at a certain point in time it would be unnecessary to physically visit.

02:18:42.000 I feel like maybe...

02:18:43.000 They're watching us through the Samsung TVs.

02:18:45.000 Yeah.

02:18:45.000 See, that's the thing about it.

02:18:47.000 It all comes back around full circle.

02:18:48.000 Yeah, you've got to put a tape over that camera.

02:18:51.000 You do.

02:18:51.000 I think there's probably...

02:18:53.000 You do, right?

02:18:54.000 You should.

02:18:55.000 You should.

02:18:55.000 I mean, people should check their...

02:18:57.000 Again, smart TVs.

02:19:00.000 If you've got one that's of recent vintage, check and you'll see there's a little hole along the frame.

02:19:06.000 That's the camera.

02:19:07.000 There's a microphone set up on an audio system.

02:19:10.000 Yeah, just put a piece of tape over it.

02:19:11.000 That's your low-cost solution.

02:19:14.000 You can go in there and adjust and turn it off, but...

02:19:17.000 You know, you try figuring that out, right?

02:19:19.000 That's like trying to program your VCR, right?

02:19:22.000 Trying to figure out how to get into your TV, into the settings to change the smart interactivity.

02:19:27.000 And then do you also want to trust that that's what's going to happen if you turn it off?

02:19:31.000 So, yeah, just put a piece of duct tape over it. 0.54

02:19:33.000 Well, they've showed that with Facebook, that even if you turn off location, they're still tracking you.

02:19:36.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:19:37.000 That's why I say, again, going back to that same old thing, which is like, oh, the government's trying to screw us over.

02:19:42.000 They're spying on us.

02:19:43.000 You know what?

02:19:44.000 Unless you're involved in criminal activity or terrorism, They honestly don't have any interest, but they also don't have the resources and the time available.

02:19:52.000 Commercial side of things, though, is different because it drives what they're all about, which is making money.

02:19:57.000 Especially when you sign those terms of agreements, the terms of use agreements.

02:20:03.000 Most people just accept it.

02:20:06.000 You don't look through it.

02:20:07.000 Well, there's a regulation.

02:20:11.000 There's a piece of legislation that outlaws secretly videoing...

02:20:16.000 I forget what it was.

02:20:17.000 It was years and years ago.

02:20:19.000 It was decades ago.

02:20:22.000 But you give up that right by clicking on agree on those user agreements.

02:20:29.000 Yeah.

02:20:29.000 But I don't know anybody who's ever read a user agreement.

02:20:32.000 What is this, Jamie?

02:20:33.000 New law passed in California this year.

02:20:35.000 California's Consumer Privacy Act allows anyone who resides in a state to access and obtain copies of the data that companies store on them and the right to delete that data and opt out of companies selling or monetizing their data.

02:20:49.000 California leading the way again.

02:20:50.000 Only for residents of California, though.

02:20:52.000 If you live somewhere else, you can check, but you can't have it.

02:20:56.000 I'm moving from Idaho to California.

02:20:59.000 There's some good spots in California.

02:21:01.000 This isn't one of them.

02:21:05.000 It's a good spot.

02:21:06.000 Just too many people found out about it.

02:21:08.000 My worry is more of social media companies now than anything, even in a lot of ways more than the government spying on us.

02:21:18.000 I worry about the power that something like Facebook has.

02:21:22.000 The insane amount of influence that they have on people and how through the use of their algorithms they actually instigate arguments and try to get people – because that's how people respond and that's what makes people want to click on things and that's what generates revenue.

02:21:35.000 So their algorithms encourage – the idea is that they encourage outrage, but they don't really.

02:21:42.000 But people like outrage.

02:21:44.000 So they encourage you to go seek out, like Ari Shafir did an experiment where he used YouTube and he only searched for puppies.

02:21:52.000 That's all he searched for, just puppies on YouTube.

02:21:54.000 And that's all YouTube would recognize.

02:21:56.000 So all they were recommending to him was puppies.

02:21:59.000 And he's like, oh, okay.

02:22:01.000 So it's really not nefarious.

02:22:03.000 It's based entirely on what your needs are or what your interests are.

02:22:06.000 But so many people are interested in things that outrage them that it becomes a very profitable thing for them when their algorithm shows these people what they want.

02:22:16.000 But the problem is the people itself.

02:22:18.000 It's not necessarily the algorithm.

02:22:20.000 It's not like the algorithm is some nefarious algorithm that's designed to instigate strife.

02:22:25.000 No, it's taking advantage of human nature to some degree, but it's also, I mean, you've raised a really important point because coming up on this election, people are talking about, oh my god, they're going to hack in, they're going to influence the vote.

02:22:36.000 Part of the danger is in the social engineering, and it's very clever.

02:22:41.000 So if you look at something that just happened, this actually is really interesting, and it's still being investigated, but A report came out from a group, Area 1, which is looking at hackers and looking at cybersecurity issues.

02:23:04.000 It's not a particularly well-known group.

02:23:05.000 It's not like Kaspersky or some of these others that are out there.

02:23:08.000 But they just came out with a report a couple days ago basically saying that the Russians, a Russian entity, likely the former GRU, the military intelligence group of the Russian intelligence service, hacked into Burisma.

02:23:23.000 Now, Burisma is that company in the Ukraine that Hunter Biden was sat on the board of, right?

02:23:28.000 And now you think, oh, Russians hacked into it.

02:23:32.000 And so what happens almost immediately when this report comes out saying a Russian intel operation hacked into Burisma recently as it was sort of becoming an issue and Trump was banging on about it and Hunter Biden and there was talk about holding up Ukrainian aid if you don't investigate the Biden situation.

02:23:54.000 So you'd look at this, and if you just looked at it on a very simple level, you go, wow.

02:23:58.000 And I've already seen some of that narrative saying, well, look, the Russians are working on behalf of Trump again.

02:24:02.000 See?

02:24:03.000 That's what they're doing.

02:24:04.000 They're working on behalf of Trump.

02:24:05.000 They're hacking into Burisma, and that's what he was complaining about.

02:24:10.000 If you step back and you think about what are the Russians trying to do with all of their hacking efforts, all their social media engineering, they're trying to create dissent. 0.67

02:24:20.000 So now what have you got?

02:24:21.000 Now you're ramping up this story again.

02:24:25.000 To what degree Area 1's story or report is correct, I mean there's some discussion as to whether it's accurate or not, but to that degree that you have to look at everything now with a very skeptical eye and you have to say, okay, what is the purpose of it?

02:24:39.000 Is this a timed leak of information?

02:24:43.000 In other words, the Russian intel service, they don't do anything haphazardly, right?

02:24:47.000 Do they do this with the idea that we're going to leak this out now?

02:24:51.000 Because now it looks like we're still – we're pushing this whole thing.

02:24:54.000 We're trying to help Trump.

02:24:55.000 We're going to get that narrative going again because now we're getting into an election cycle.

02:24:59.000 It's interesting stuff.

02:25:00.000 It's like after Soleimani was smoked, almost immediately after, social media posts sort of pro – Very subtly, but pro-Iranian regime, pro-Suleimani, again,

02:25:16.000 very subtle, but in that vein, they spiked over the course of the next 48 hours.

02:25:21.000 Massive numbers compared to what had been in the past of sympathetic enough to turn people's thoughts, right?

02:25:29.000 To get that narrative going of like, well, oh my god, they assassinated a foreign leader, right?

02:25:33.000 That's all they're looking to do is create that.

02:25:35.000 And the Iranian cybersecurity force is increasingly sophisticated.

02:25:39.000 Ten years ago, they probably wouldn't have been able to orchestrate sort of that sort of social media work.

02:25:45.000 I guess my point being is that we look at things very simplistically, right?

02:25:49.000 We look at – because we tend to look at it through this political spectrum saying I'm right, I'm left, whatever.

02:25:53.000 But you have to step back and think what are they doing?

02:25:57.000 What's the purpose of this?

02:25:59.000 And maybe it's more complex or layered than just simply – We're good to go.

02:26:22.000 You know, the state-sponsored effort.

02:26:25.000 You take it and you run with it.

02:26:27.000 Next thing you know, it's got 10,000 likes and people are talking about it like it's correct.

02:26:32.000 Yeah, that's a real problem with today's social media, is that these agencies, like the Internet Research Agency in Russia did before the 2016 election, they really can stir up dissent.

02:26:44.000 With these thousands and thousands of social media accounts that they have, and they can get people thinking in a certain way.

02:26:52.000 They can get people to argue things in a certain way.

02:26:54.000 And you hear those talking points at these bots and these companies that are designed just to stir people up.

02:27:02.000 You see those talking points repeated.

02:27:04.000 So it is effective.

02:27:05.000 Oh, no, absolutely.

02:27:06.000 And look, the Russians have been doing this. 0.98

02:27:08.000 You know, years and years ago, decades ago, they were buying off journalists to write favorable articles or articles that they wanted to get the narrative out there for, right?

02:27:16.000 So they would pay off journalists, whether it was overseas or here, wherever it may be.

02:27:21.000 And that was old school, right?

02:27:25.000 The reasoning behind it is still the same.

02:27:27.000 You're trying to affect a narrative.

02:27:29.000 You're trying to affect a certain opinion.

02:27:33.000 Or you're trying to foment dissent.

02:27:35.000 You're trying to create some chaos.

02:27:36.000 And you're right.

02:27:37.000 Here, now with a lot of the social media that What foreign entities are doing.

02:27:41.000 They're trying to take advantage and trying to drive wedges in.

02:27:43.000 So you get these things that try to drive and create more of a racial divide as an example.

02:27:50.000 Whatever it is that they can do.

02:27:52.000 And sometimes they're doing it just simply to create the chaos.

02:27:56.000 Sometimes they're doing it for a more specific focused reason.

02:28:00.000 But we're not sophisticated.

02:28:02.000 I think we're more aware of it now because it's been in the news and we've been talking about it to some degree.

02:28:08.000 As a population, we're not very sophisticated.

02:28:11.000 And so they're still going to take advantage of it.

02:28:14.000 And it's not just the Russians.

02:28:15.000 It's any nation that's got the resource or the ability and somewhat motivation and sees it in their own best interest, they're going to be engaged in this.

02:28:25.000 So I have a cyber unit that's doing this sort of thing.

02:28:28.000 So I don't know where it's going to go, but you worry about sort of the impact that it has.

02:28:35.000 It's not the...

02:28:37.000 It's not – the idea that they're going in there to voting machines and switching up data.

02:28:43.000 I mean frankly we should be going to a paper-based system.

02:28:48.000 I would – if I was in charge, I would say that's it.

02:28:51.000 No more paperless voting systems. 1.00

02:28:52.000 Get that shit out of here. 1.00

02:28:53.000 We're not going to rely on the internet. 1.00

02:28:55.000 You know what they're doing in Iowa for the caucuses?

02:28:57.000 It's all going to be internet-based voting reporting for the caucuses in Iowa.

02:29:04.000 But again, you think that whether it's independent hackers or state-sponsored from China, Russia, wherever, of course they're targeting this.

02:29:12.000 And they're putting a great deal of resource into it.

02:29:14.000 And they've already probably mapped out the infrastructure.

02:29:17.000 So, hey, get back to the old days.

02:29:20.000 If you're targeting a terrorist organization and you start having success picking up comms and communications and gathering signals intelligence on them, first thing they do is throw their phones away and go back to the old system of, look, I'm going to handwrite some message.

02:29:34.000 I'm going to hand it to my cousin.

02:29:36.000 He's going to hand it to his cousin.

02:29:37.000 And that's all.

02:29:38.000 That's our communication system from now on. 0.98

02:29:40.000 So we should dumb down and go back to the old days and just do a paper system, which takes longer and is a pain in the ass, but... 0.98

02:29:46.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:29:46.000 You can't hack it. 0.99

02:29:47.000 Can't hack it.

02:29:48.000 Yeah.

02:29:49.000 Anyway, that's just me.

02:29:51.000 I went back to my Bernie Sanders voice there.

02:29:54.000 It's always great having you in here, man.

02:29:56.000 Tell people again when your show...

02:29:58.000 Well, you don't have an air date.

02:29:59.000 I don't know.

02:29:59.000 They're keeping it mum.

02:30:00.000 When you tell me, we'll tell everybody.

02:30:02.000 That sounds good, man.

02:30:03.000 Let everybody know.

02:30:04.000 They can get a hold of you on Twitter and Instagram at MBCompanyMan is the Twitter thing.

02:30:11.000 And yeah, thank you.

02:30:12.000 I'm always amazed at how fast the time goes.

02:30:14.000 I'm sure you're not, but I'm amazed.

02:30:17.000 I am still amazed.

02:30:18.000 Get out to Boise, right?

02:30:20.000 Everybody's waiting.

02:30:20.000 I'll do it.

02:30:21.000 All right, man.

02:30:22.000 Take care.

02:30:22.000 Thanks, man.

02:30:23.000 Bye, everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience - January 18, 2020

Joe Rogan Experience #1414 - Mike Baker

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