The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1435 - Suzanne Santo & Gary Clark Jr.

00:00:00.000 Hello, everybody.

00:00:05.000 That was so natural.

00:00:06.000 That's how we do it here on a Monday afternoon. 1.00

00:00:08.000 What the fuck is happening? 0.97

00:00:10.000 Thank you guys for being here. 0.99

00:00:11.000 I'm very excited.

00:00:12.000 Pleasure.

00:00:13.000 Thanks for having us.

00:00:13.000 I was looking forward to this one.

00:00:14.000 Me too.

00:00:15.000 Oh, man.

00:00:17.000 This is an intense one.

00:00:18.000 I'm very excited.

00:00:19.000 Giant fans of both of you, and I'm glad we could do this.

00:00:21.000 Same.

00:00:22.000 Likewise.

00:00:23.000 What's up?

00:00:24.000 So much.

00:00:25.000 So you guys want to start with a song?

00:00:28.000 Yeah.

00:00:28.000 Let's start with a song.

00:00:29.000 We'll start with a song.

00:00:30.000 Bad Beast?

00:00:31.000 Bad Beast.

00:00:31.000 I love this song.

00:00:32.000 All right.

00:00:33.000 Okay.

00:00:34.000 This is the first time we've done this together. 0.99

00:00:36.000 Holy shit. 0.99

00:00:37.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:00:38.000 Look out, folks.

00:00:41.000 I'm so scared.

00:00:43.000 All right.

00:00:46.000 You ready?

00:00:47.000 Yeah.

00:00:55.000 We're good to go.

00:01:14.000 We're good to go.

00:01:28.000 We're good to go.

00:01:33.000 We're good to go.

00:01:47.000 We're good to go.

00:01:55.000 Yeah, I tried to rise above.

00:01:58.000 I tried playing dead.

00:02:00.000 I even tried calling up that ghost in my bed and he just laughed.

00:02:05.000 Couldn't catch his breath. 1.00

00:02:07.000 Said he won no match for that angel of death, goddamn. 1.00

00:02:19.000 We're good to go. 1.00

00:02:26.000 We're good to go.

00:02:39.000 I was in it.

00:02:47.000 Here we go.

00:02:53.000 Here we go.

00:03:08.000 This will bury me one day, on Sunday Mama won't you pray for me?

00:03:15.000 This will bury me one day, on Sunday Mama won't you pray for me?

00:03:24.000 This will bury me one day, on Sunday Mama won't you pray for me?

00:03:37.000 .

00:03:38.000 .

00:03:59.000 I don't think that I'm weak.

00:04:01.000 I don't think I'm unfit. 1.00

00:04:03.000 I don't think I've even seen the thick of this shit. 0.99

00:04:07.000 So I'll roll with the dirt, all these bulldozing me. 1.00

00:04:11.000 It'll hurt like a hearse, carrying my grief goddamn. 0.99

00:04:18.000 There's a bad beast living in me, chaining me up. 1.00

00:04:24.000 They set me free so they do it over and over again and keep me down low. 0.99

00:04:30.000 Damned if I give in and damned if I don't. 0.99

00:04:35.000 Well, to hell with it then. 0.99

00:04:41.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:05:03.000 That was so dumb. 1.00

00:05:04.000 That was so cool! 1.00

00:05:06.000 That was fucking awesome.

00:05:08.000 How many times you guys performed together? 0.89

00:05:16.000 Not many.

00:05:17.000 Maybe once at the Jameson thing.

00:05:20.000 That was the first time?

00:05:21.000 This is the second time, yeah.

00:05:23.000 I just run into Gary parties and festivals.

00:05:26.000 That's so crazy! 0.71

00:05:27.000 You guys never fucked around together? 0.98

00:05:29.000 Nothing before that one moment? 0.86

00:05:31.000 No, I mean we played a show, the first time we met was like over 10 years ago and we were just babies, you know?

00:05:40.000 That show was so dope. 1.00

00:05:41.000 It was really fun.

00:05:42.000 That show that you guys did, that Jameson thing was so dope.

00:05:44.000 Well, you remember that, well you were there and then And Jameson was like, why is this video like going like viral?

00:05:52.000 Because you tweeted or you like posted it on Instagram.

00:05:56.000 And then, you know, they're all asking us about PR and stuff.

00:06:00.000 It was hilarious.

00:06:01.000 Midnight Rider is one of my all-time favorite songs.

00:06:04.000 So when you guys went into that, like randomly, I'm like, oh my god.

00:06:07.000 When I used to get up in the morning, whenever I used to have to do morning radio, I Morning radio is like, you've got to be funny at like 6.30 a.m.

00:06:15.000 You know, and you've got to like shake the cobwebs off.

00:06:18.000 You might have just went to bed like four hours ago.

00:06:21.000 Move around a little.

00:06:22.000 So I would hit a joint and listen to Midnight Rider.

00:06:25.000 You would?

00:06:26.000 Always.

00:06:26.000 That's incredible.

00:06:27.000 That was my morning song.

00:06:28.000 Midnight Rider was my morning.

00:06:29.000 Because when you're high first thing in the morning on your way to the radio, there's a feeling you get when you listen to that song.

00:06:35.000 Like, these guys were just out there.

00:06:38.000 Yeah, it's a cruiser.

00:06:39.000 Oh my god.

00:06:40.000 They were free.

00:06:43.000 The music then was so free.

00:06:46.000 There was something special about that era of music and that song.

00:06:50.000 And then to see you guys doing it together and to give it that Gary Clark Jr. sound.

00:06:57.000 You've got a sound.

00:06:58.000 You've got a sound, man. 1.00

00:06:59.000 It's amazing with all the fucking people playing guitar. 1.00

00:07:02.000 I hear your sound. 1.00

00:07:04.000 You have a sound that's special.

00:07:06.000 It's very different.

00:07:07.000 Agreed.

00:07:08.000 Agreed 100%. 1.00

00:07:08.000 I don't know what the fuck you're doing, man. 1.00

00:07:10.000 I don't either. 1.00

00:07:10.000 I keep trying to steal his tricks. 1.00

00:07:12.000 I don't know.

00:07:12.000 You know what?

00:07:13.000 I have no idea.

00:07:14.000 I have no idea what I'm doing.

00:07:16.000 It's ignorance and a lot of fuzz and some reverb.

00:07:20.000 Keep it up.

00:07:21.000 And good vibes.

00:07:22.000 Let's be honest.

00:07:23.000 I'm having fun getting to do it.

00:07:25.000 You know what I mean?

00:07:27.000 You guys together, it was Ben, and there was someone else, right?

00:07:32.000 Our drummer Connor, I believe.

00:07:33.000 That's right. 0.98

00:07:34.000 And you guys together, god damn, that was fun. 0.99

00:07:38.000 Thanks. 0.93

00:07:40.000 You know, I don't know when Honey Honey is going to play again, but we had a lot of fun.

00:07:47.000 You guys made some awesome songs.

00:07:49.000 Thank you.

00:07:50.000 Shout out to Ben.

00:07:51.000 Where are you, Ben?

00:07:53.000 E-hug to you, fella.

00:07:58.000 He feels that.

00:07:59.000 I give it.

00:08:00.000 It's real.

00:08:00.000 It's a real one.

00:08:01.000 It's a nice one.

00:08:02.000 I love that dude.

00:08:04.000 Oh, man.

00:08:05.000 So that's crazy that you guys had never done that before that one night.

00:08:08.000 Well, you brought us on.

00:08:10.000 You bestowed a great gift on Honey Honey.

00:08:13.000 Because you played at the Ace that day.

00:08:15.000 Or that night.

00:08:16.000 And then we were brought in by Gary to do this after party sponsored by Jameson.

00:08:22.000 Hence all the Jameson barrels and all the stuff.

00:08:25.000 And it was so much fun.

00:08:27.000 And it was in downtown LA, which adds to it.

00:08:30.000 Because downtown LA is straight up Blade Runner these days.

00:08:36.000 You're like, what is going on here?

00:08:38.000 There's tents and homeless people by the thousands and gangs and weird graffiti and dudes are lifting and closing garage doors in the middle of the night and they're filled with people inside.

00:08:49.000 I went down there the other day, man.

00:08:51.000 I took my wife to some nice restaurant and the driver was like, bro, don't go anywhere else around.

00:08:57.000 Just stay right here and then call it, you know.

00:08:59.000 That's so crazy.

00:09:00.000 That's true.

00:09:01.000 We filmed Fear Factor.

00:09:02.000 We watched people smoke crack.

00:09:04.000 Or meth, whatever they were smoking.

00:09:07.000 They were smoking something.

00:09:08.000 And they were just doing it openly in the street.

00:09:10.000 Like we were elevated in one of them little...

00:09:12.000 One of those crane buckets.

00:09:13.000 And we were looking down.

00:09:15.000 And the contestants were watching people smoke crack.

00:09:18.000 We were like, this is crazy.

00:09:19.000 Right there out in the street.

00:09:21.000 Those little vials, broken vials would be everywhere.

00:09:24.000 It's crazy.

00:09:25.000 Yeah, it's like Mad Max.

00:09:27.000 But it is, and it's also beautiful buildings.

00:09:29.000 They've also built these insane apartment buildings there.

00:09:32.000 These gorgeous office buildings.

00:09:34.000 It's very strange.

00:09:35.000 It's like there's a concerted effort to try to turn into some, like the gentrified downtown.

00:09:40.000 I mean, it's happening, but when you're in California, do you really want to live in downtown L.A.? Eddie Bravo loves downtown L.A. Does he love it?

00:09:47.000 He doesn't live there, but he has his jujitsu headquarters there.

00:09:49.000 Yeah, but you hang there, but you don't live there.

00:09:51.000 Oh, is that the move?

00:09:52.000 Yeah.

00:09:53.000 Yeah.

00:09:53.000 It's a fun hang, but, you know, I want to, I don't know, I want to be in the canyons, the rolling hills of Los Angeles.

00:10:00.000 Of course you do, right?

00:10:01.000 Perhaps a beachfront property.

00:10:03.000 A little bit of you.

00:10:04.000 Me and Brad Pitt, remember?

00:10:05.000 How about a little bit of you?

00:10:06.000 That's right, you and Brad Pitt in your dreams.

00:10:08.000 I had a dream that I was late for the Joe Rogan podcast, and I also had a dream.

00:10:14.000 That Brad Pitt and I were dating.

00:10:16.000 And I was, in fact, late, as we've talked about, so I can't see any reason why the other part of my dream isn't going to come true.

00:10:23.000 If you're a fan of nice ladies and good music, I got one for you. 1.00

00:10:31.000 Did you see that Quentin Tarantino movie?

00:10:33.000 I did.

00:10:33.000 It was incredible.

00:10:34.000 How weird was the violence?

00:10:36.000 Oh, God.

00:10:37.000 It was tough.

00:10:38.000 I watched it with my parents.

00:10:39.000 And what was ironic is they knew who all the characters were.

00:10:43.000 Like, my dad said, oh, I'll bet that's Tex.

00:10:46.000 I'll bet.

00:10:46.000 Because those were real people.

00:10:48.000 Yeah.

00:10:48.000 Still are, some of them.

00:10:49.000 Mm-hmm.

00:10:50.000 You know, that was kind of chilling to me to think about the fact that they knew by name who these Charlie Manson heads were by watching this movie.

00:10:59.000 Because, you know, way before my time.

00:11:02.000 Well, it's a super, super popular story.

00:11:05.000 And the other part about it is, like, those people that killed those folks, you know how the story turned out.

00:11:12.000 Right.

00:11:12.000 So you're expecting it.

00:11:13.000 Yeah.

00:11:13.000 I love the happier ending.

00:11:15.000 It's way better.

00:11:16.000 Yeah, it was nice.

00:11:16.000 It's like in Glorious Bastards, too.

00:11:18.000 You're just other Brad Pitt movie.

00:11:20.000 Am I just plugging this one or what?

00:11:22.000 Tarantino's a wizard.

00:11:23.000 Yeah, he's amazing.

00:11:24.000 He's the last guy allowed to make a movie like that.

00:11:28.000 Yeah.

00:11:28.000 When I said the violence was shocking, I don't mean necessarily that it's bad.

00:11:32.000 I'm not saying that.

00:11:33.000 I'm saying it's shocking that in a movie in 2020, you could have a dude smash some girl's head.

00:11:37.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:11:38.000 I mean, like, woo!

00:11:40.000 Like, this is wild.

00:11:42.000 But he's grandfathered in.

00:11:44.000 I think Tarantino's grandfathered in.

00:11:46.000 Right? 0.99

00:11:47.000 Because everybody has always known him for having the wildest, craziest fucking, from Pulp Fiction, straight on, his whole career. 0.99

00:11:53.000 It's kind of to be expected. 0.99

00:11:55.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:11:56.000 The fucking Uma Thurman with the injection and the heart. 1.00

00:11:59.000 I mean, so many of his movies are like, what the fuck? 1.00

00:12:04.000 That guy goes deep. 1.00

00:12:05.000 He goes deep.

00:12:07.000 Nobody goes deeper than Tarantino.

00:12:09.000 But the thing is that he can still do a super ultra-violent movie and people consider it great art.

00:12:15.000 And I think that's getting harder and harder to do.

00:12:20.000 I think he's sort of, like everybody knows, that's a Tarantino movie.

00:12:24.000 You're gonna see some madness, right?

00:12:26.000 But I think if a new person tried to do it, they would hit more woke reaction.

00:12:32.000 More people like, are we really celebrating a scene where a guy smashes a woman's head into pulp?

00:12:38.000 He does a good job of getting the good guy to win.

00:12:43.000 And we all want that so badly.

00:12:47.000 So if anything, he's got a formula that continues to work. 1.00

00:12:51.000 Yeah, I want to see the bad guys get the shit kicked out of them. 0.99

00:12:55.000 There's justice. 1.00

00:12:57.000 It's fucking great. 0.98

00:12:58.000 It's fun entertainment. 0.99

00:13:00.000 But there's sort of a resistance to certain narratives.

00:13:04.000 And certain kind of scenes, certain kinds of depictions of violence.

00:13:07.000 You shouldn't even have it for entertainment's sake. 0.98

00:13:11.000 God damn, it's so nice having someone like him around. 0.97

00:13:14.000 You should bring him on the podcast. 0.99

00:13:15.000 I would love to.

00:13:16.000 I met him at the comedy store.

00:13:17.000 He's super nice.

00:13:18.000 Cool.

00:13:19.000 But he makes madness. 1.00

00:13:20.000 You leave a Tarantino movie like, what the fuck? 0.99

00:13:23.000 Pretty soon, Joe, you're going to be in the next Tarantino movie. 0.99

00:13:26.000 No, I'm not into movies.

00:13:26.000 You keep talking like this.

00:13:27.000 I'm not trying to be in any movies.

00:13:29.000 I just like to watch.

00:13:32.000 I'm just appreciative.

00:13:35.000 That's great.

00:13:36.000 I'm with you.

00:13:37.000 That's one of the reasons why I'm appreciative of music, too.

00:13:39.000 I have no idea what's going on.

00:13:41.000 Neither do we.

00:13:44.000 Clearly you do.

00:13:45.000 The sounds are consistent.

00:13:47.000 You say you don't know what's going on.

00:13:50.000 I think you get a better knowledge of music than I do.

00:13:53.000 Wow, Gary. 1.00

00:13:54.000 Don't bullshit. 0.99

00:13:55.000 Gary, I don't really know how to take that. 0.99

00:13:57.000 Gary, how many instruments do you play?

00:13:58.000 Just a guitar or do you play others?

00:14:00.000 I just play this well enough to keep the lights on.

00:14:03.000 Oh my god.

00:14:06.000 He's humble, folks.

00:14:07.000 So humble.

00:14:09.000 I like to mess around on drums, but you're a multi-instrumentalist and a Master of none, though.

00:14:14.000 Master of none.

00:14:16.000 It's been fun, though.

00:14:18.000 I started practicing every day.

00:14:21.000 I really love it.

00:14:24.000 I used to practice because I was afraid of sucking, and now I practice because I really just want to play.

00:14:32.000 I think there is a threshold that I crossed a little while back, but I want to get so much better.

00:14:42.000 I'm sure you could relate to that.

00:14:43.000 It's hard to be satisfied.

00:14:46.000 Do you find a struggle between being a person who concentrates on one aspect of music or one who concentrates on a bunch of different kinds of instruments?

00:14:55.000 Yeah, it's like I haven't picked up my banjo in a year.

00:14:58.000 Oh, wow.

00:14:59.000 But also I think when your muscles are strong and you play one of them, all the string instruments are kind of like cousins.

00:15:05.000 But the violin is the hardest one when I step away from it and then I come back.

00:15:11.000 That makes sense because that's such a crazy motion.

00:15:14.000 Yeah.

00:15:14.000 It's an emotional instrument too.

00:15:16.000 Yeah, you totally got it.

00:15:17.000 You're crushing it.

00:15:18.000 You're so good at the violin.

00:15:20.000 Yeah.

00:15:20.000 That's because I've been making fun of people crying for so long.

00:15:24.000 You're gonna be okay.

00:15:27.000 I develop skills.

00:15:30.000 My mock violin game is strong.

00:15:33.000 It's gonna be alright.

00:15:38.000 Oh man, it's true.

00:15:40.000 It's such a weepy instrument.

00:15:41.000 It's a beautiful instrument.

00:15:42.000 No one's ever like, oh, sadness. 0.96

00:15:44.000 It's just so nice that those wizards of the past figured all these fucking things out, you know? 0.69

00:15:49.000 Oh man, could you imagine being there when the first person sat down at the piano and was like, oh my god. 0.95

00:15:54.000 Imagine a life where people only could make noises with their mouth.

00:15:57.000 But they were crazy people, like Mozart and Beethoven. 0.96

00:16:01.000 They went nuts. 0.96

00:16:02.000 Well, wouldn't you go nuts if you were smart and you lived back then?

00:16:06.000 I only hope that'll be my future. 0.99

00:16:10.000 How about one of you dummies figure out a toilet? 1.00

00:16:13.000 We won't all die of dysentery. 0.98

00:16:17.000 Instead of working on your concerto.

00:16:20.000 But everybody was thought to be crazy that had any idea outside the system. 0.97

00:16:26.000 You know, they put Galileo under house arrest because he was figuring shit out about the universe. 0.96

00:16:30.000 Did they really? 0.96

00:16:31.000 Yeah.

00:16:32.000 Like, he ended his life on house arrest.

00:16:34.000 He couldn't go anywhere.

00:16:36.000 Just because it was heresy. 1.00

00:16:37.000 You piece of shit! 1.00

00:16:39.000 Like, he was challenging the orthodoxy. 1.00

00:16:42.000 It's funny how that stuff manifests today.

00:16:45.000 You know, the sort of same thing.

00:16:46.000 It's a part of people.

00:16:48.000 We like to control how people think and behave.

00:16:50.000 And if we could do it under the guise of religion, or under the guise of the correct politics, or under the guise of anything.

00:16:57.000 Anything.

00:16:58.000 Anything we can do.

00:16:59.000 It's just a pattern of human behavior.

00:17:01.000 You see it with right-wing people who want to get people fired.

00:17:05.000 You see it with social justice warriors who want to get people fired.

00:17:08.000 It's a pattern of human behavior.

00:17:10.000 There's people that are the most aggressive soldiers for a cause, and they're at the front line of anything good or bad.

00:17:17.000 And sometimes, you know, people get fired.

00:17:20.000 People get in trouble.

00:17:22.000 Chaos!

00:17:22.000 Well, I just feel like these days, I really struggle with like, you never really know the truth.

00:17:28.000 It's hard. 0.88

00:17:28.000 And it's so frustrating because I want to be on the front lines of information and know what's going on in my country and the world, but I get so fucking frustrated. 0.88

00:17:38.000 And I'm really struggling with it, to be honest.

00:17:41.000 You should.

00:17:43.000 Insane.

00:17:43.000 You know, and it's hard to put things into perspective, too.

00:17:46.000 Yeah.

00:17:47.000 Like this coronavirus thing is a good example of that.

00:17:50.000 It's got everybody on edge.

00:17:52.000 And we all should be on edge for diseases, don't get me wrong.

00:17:55.000 Why are we not on edge that 500,000 people die every year from cigarettes?

00:18:02.000 They die prematurely from cigarette relief.

00:18:04.000 That is an insane pile of bodies.

00:18:08.000 That happens every year.

00:18:09.000 We're barely worried about that.

00:18:10.000 Like, hey, you should probably quit smoking, but whatever.

00:18:12.000 Live your life, sister.

00:18:14.000 Yeah, but I mean, there's a difference between catching the coronavirus. 0.99

00:18:17.000 Just fuck me up, because I've been not leaving the house for like a week. 0.96

00:18:21.000 I've been left the house for a week. 0.99

00:18:22.000 I've been sitting outside smoking cigarettes trying to avoid the coronavirus.

00:18:25.000 I get it.

00:18:26.000 That might be the way to do it.

00:18:28.000 Maybe you're burning...

00:18:30.000 Maybe there's like some good antioxidants in whatever brand.

00:18:34.000 Oh, there's a solid point there.

00:18:36.000 It's a good point.

00:18:39.000 Man.

00:18:40.000 They're good for your brain.

00:18:42.000 I've had a couple of cigarettes.

00:18:43.000 I've had them with my friend Tony Hinchcliffe right before I went on stage and I was like, whoa.

00:18:47.000 And then I had, when I worked with Chappelle, I smoked a cigarette with him before every show.

00:18:51.000 And I was like, oh, I get it.

00:18:52.000 I see what's going on. 1.00

00:18:54.000 It's not like, I just thought it was stupid. 0.99

00:18:55.000 But it's like a little drug. 0.99

00:18:57.000 Like it's a little woo.

00:18:58.000 It's a little...

00:18:58.000 No, having a good cigarette from time to time.

00:19:01.000 They say it's a nootropic.

00:19:03.000 That it actually, nicotine actually enhances brain function.

00:19:06.000 Really?

00:19:06.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:19:07.000 That it has a similar effect to other nootropics.

00:19:10.000 Really?

00:19:11.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:19:12.000 Like Alpha Brain or any of those...

00:19:15.000 But like one cigarette?

00:19:16.000 Yeah.

00:19:16.000 Kind of like an occasional cigarette?

00:19:18.000 Is that what we're talking about?

00:19:19.000 That nicotine in and of itself is a stimulant that...

00:19:22.000 I'm saying cigarettes.

00:19:23.000 What I really mean is nicotine.

00:19:25.000 But that nicotine in any form, whatever you can get it, if you chew, if you smoke a cigar, if you get enough...

00:19:29.000 Which I totally chew.

00:19:30.000 It does something to your brain.

00:19:32.000 It actually enhances the way your brain functions.

00:19:35.000 Okay.

00:19:35.000 Maybe a little bit of your memory, maybe a little bit of your verbal, your dictionary, maybe it'll pull words quicker.

00:19:41.000 Well, here's a crazy story.

00:19:43.000 I don't think so.

00:19:43.000 You don't think so?

00:19:45.000 Doesn't work for me.

00:19:46.000 Well, maybe it's because you've been doing it a long time.

00:19:48.000 Well, what else are you doing?

00:19:49.000 Don't answer that.

00:19:50.000 I think you've probably flatlined.

00:19:53.000 You've gotten the benefit out of it.

00:19:54.000 My grandmother had a brain aneurysm when she was in her 40s.

00:19:58.000 Whoa.

00:19:59.000 And she... 1.00

00:20:02.000 She my family's in the restaurant business in Cleveland and they just opened a new store and the story goes like this she was They weren't up to code or something and they needed to like clean the shit out of this place so they could get their you know license or whatever so she was really stressed out and she she felt a pop and And she said it sounded like running water in her ears.

00:20:25.000 Oh, Jesus.

00:20:25.000 And she called my Uncle George and she smoked a cigarette outside and waited for him.

00:20:31.000 And went to the hospital, sure as shit, she had a brain aneurysm. 0.99

00:20:34.000 And the doctor said that the cigarette was probably, it probably saved her life. 0.99

00:20:39.000 Because your blood vessels, they constrict, right?

00:20:43.000 When you smoke?

00:20:44.000 Who's the doctor here?

00:20:45.000 Oh, I am.

00:20:46.000 Okay, Dr. Rogan.

00:20:49.000 I know I'm going to get in trouble for this.

00:20:51.000 Oh, don't worry.

00:20:52.000 I'm a doctor.

00:20:52.000 But anyway, she survived the brain aneurysm.

00:20:55.000 It was like, you know, but the story is that the cigarette had a lot to do with her making it to the hospital alive.

00:21:01.000 You sure that she didn't make that up?

00:21:03.000 Well, she's probably... 0.91

00:21:05.000 She also did a couple rails of cocaine. 1.00

00:21:08.000 And...

00:21:08.000 Sorry, Dad.

00:21:09.000 I know he's gonna listen to this.

00:21:11.000 Nicotine causes your blood vessels to constrict or narrow, which limits the amount of blood that flows into your organs.

00:21:17.000 Wow.

00:21:18.000 There you go.

00:21:18.000 So, folks, if you have an aneurysm, start smoking.

00:21:23.000 Quick, get to the closest pack of cigarettes.

00:21:27.000 No, no, no.

00:21:28.000 You want to go camels.

00:21:29.000 No filter, right?

00:21:30.000 Yeah, right.

00:21:30.000 That would be the whole other thing.

00:21:32.000 Oh, I'm so sorry.

00:21:33.000 When I used to hang out in the pool hall, the dudes who would smoke those filterless cigarettes were the most savage humans.

00:21:38.000 Yeah.

00:21:39.000 I knew a guy would break the filters off.

00:21:41.000 Then you'd just get a bunch of tobacco in your mouth. 1.00

00:21:43.000 He didn't give a fuck. 1.00

00:21:44.000 He was there to gamble. 1.00

00:21:46.000 He didn't care.

00:21:46.000 How were his teeth?

00:21:47.000 They weren't that good.

00:21:48.000 I would imagine so.

00:21:49.000 They weren't that good.

00:21:49.000 Yeah.

00:21:50.000 Woof.

00:21:53.000 It was a guy that I met when I was in a pool hall in White Plains, New York.

00:21:56.000 It's one of the first times I really understood what gambling addiction is.

00:21:59.000 I used to pass it off as being no big deal.

00:22:02.000 But being around real gambling addicts.

00:22:04.000 Oh, yeah.

00:22:05.000 And ones that I liked.

00:22:07.000 They're nice guys.

00:22:08.000 This White Plains Charlie was a nice guy.

00:22:10.000 Yeah.

00:22:11.000 He couldn't stop gambling.

00:22:12.000 He couldn't stop gambling.

00:22:14.000 And he was a pretty decent pool player.

00:22:16.000 And he would win occasionally.

00:22:18.000 But he would always want to play people for money.

00:22:20.000 He would always want other people to back him.

00:22:22.000 Like, come on, get behind me. 1.00

00:22:24.000 I can fucking beat this guy. 0.98

00:22:25.000 And no matter what it was, he had to be in action all day long. 0.99

00:22:28.000 And in New York, you can bet on horse races.

00:22:31.000 Somehow or another, they won't let you have casinos in New York City, but you could go to these off-track betting places. 0.99

00:22:40.000 This fucking guy couldn't stop gambling all day long. 0.99

00:22:43.000 And then I started to study him as his friend. 1.00

00:22:46.000 He was quite a bit older than I was.

00:22:47.000 When I was in my 20s, he was probably already 60. Did you file that under the what not to do category of your studies?

00:22:53.000 File that under, oh, I didn't know that was a thing.

00:22:55.000 I didn't grow up around gamblers.

00:22:57.000 So watching this guy was like, whoa, this is crazy. 0.95

00:23:00.000 These guys are all addicts.

00:23:02.000 Well, like the old folks that like the slot machine addiction, they also have screen addictions on tablets and stuff like that. 0.99

00:23:10.000 Oh, of course.

00:23:10.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:23:10.000 But this guy would snap the filters off cigarettes.

00:23:12.000 Fuck you. 1.00

00:23:13.000 Oh, gross. 1.00

00:23:14.000 Because I ain't in it for a long time.

00:23:16.000 Where is he now? 1.00

00:23:17.000 He's dead as fuck. 1.00

00:23:18.000 I'm sorry to hear that. 1.00

00:23:20.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:23:20.000 Yeah, he's dead as fuck. 1.00

00:23:21.000 I feel like I'm not surprised. 1.00

00:23:23.000 I enjoy this company for the brief amount of time that I get to hang out with them.

00:23:27.000 And he's kind of a legendary character around White Millings, New York, pool halls.

00:23:32.000 Crazy.

00:23:32.000 Yeah, he was a great guy.

00:23:34.000 That's where, when I first moved from Boston to New Jersey, I was around a lot of these weird characters at this one particular pool hall.

00:23:43.000 Is this from, like, comedy stuff?

00:23:44.000 Or just from...

00:23:45.000 Well, one part of it was from comedy stuff, because my friend John Tobin, who was also a stand-up comedian, I was friends with him first, and he started working at this pool hall.

00:23:54.000 Okay. 0.76

00:23:54.000 And then I'm like, wow, let's go fucking play some pool. 0.76

00:23:57.000 So you've been like pool sharking for a long time. 0.98

00:23:59.000 Yeah, but it was just being around weirdos.

00:24:01.000 Yeah.

00:24:02.000 This is the point.

00:24:03.000 I'm not that good at pool playing.

00:24:04.000 The first time I played pool with Joe, he put a glove on. 0.98

00:24:07.000 And I'm like, what the fuck is going on here? 0.99

00:24:09.000 What is this? 0.99

00:24:10.000 It was very intimidating.

00:24:12.000 It's embarrassing to hear.

00:24:13.000 And you were like, we're very serious.

00:24:15.000 I take it serious.

00:24:17.000 I love playing.

00:24:18.000 Yeah.

00:24:19.000 I mean, I'm not trying to do anything to you. 0.99

00:24:22.000 It's the balls.

00:24:24.000 Like, I have to play the balls correctly.

00:24:25.000 They demand respect.

00:24:27.000 Don't I know it.

00:24:27.000 That was the first time I was ever...

00:24:29.000 That's terrible.

00:24:30.000 People want you to take it easy on them.

00:24:32.000 That was the first time I was ever around legitimate games.

00:24:35.000 I realized I definitely had a point somewhere at the beginning of this, but I've lost it.

00:24:40.000 You were meeting all these characters in New Jersey.

00:24:43.000 And like pool halls and comedy.

00:24:45.000 People, understanding addictions, like gambling addictions.

00:24:48.000 I don't know how we started on gambling addictions.

00:24:50.000 I don't either. 0.98

00:24:50.000 This is all so ridiculous. 0.98

00:24:52.000 But I just didn't think it was real. 0.97

00:24:54.000 I think that's what it was.

00:24:55.000 Oh, the addiction?

00:24:56.000 Oh, totally.

00:24:56.000 I thought they were just being weak.

00:24:57.000 And then being around people that were like really addicted to gambling.

00:25:00.000 I'm like, this is just like a drug.

00:25:01.000 This is like a drug they're giving themselves.

00:25:03.000 It's an escapism.

00:25:05.000 It is that.

00:25:06.000 But it's also, they don't go to the drugstore. 0.99

00:25:08.000 They go to the, oh my god, what the fuck have I done store. 0.98

00:25:11.000 And it just gets them all day. 1.00

00:25:12.000 Like, fuck! 1.00

00:25:13.000 And then occasionally they went, yay, fuck you! 1.00

00:25:16.000 High highs and high lows. 1.00

00:25:18.000 And low lows.

00:25:19.000 It's a thing.

00:25:20.000 I am a gambler.

00:25:22.000 A big time gambler?

00:25:23.000 How much have you lost?

00:25:25.000 Um, not a lot.

00:25:26.000 I play poker regularly.

00:25:27.000 What's the big hit?

00:25:28.000 What's the number one hit?

00:25:29.000 I mean, like, I don't have a lot of money, so I don't...

00:25:33.000 Even if it's $100, then...

00:25:35.000 I want, like, the most I want in one sitting was, like, literally 500 bucks.

00:25:40.000 Just, like, I was at a three-card poker table.

00:25:44.000 But I like home games.

00:25:46.000 I like playing poker with my friends.

00:25:48.000 You like taking your friends' money?

00:25:50.000 Yeah.

00:25:50.000 Ooh.

00:25:51.000 100%.

00:25:51.000 Yeah.

00:25:53.000 That's a hard yes.

00:25:55.000 You find a lot out about someone when you beat them at a game.

00:25:58.000 Well, it's a mental game too.

00:26:00.000 They get pissy with you in real life?

00:26:01.000 No.

00:26:02.000 You know what? 1.00

00:26:03.000 You don't want to play cards with someone who's going to be a dick. 0.98

00:26:05.000 It has to be fun. 0.97

00:26:06.000 But it's interesting.

00:26:07.000 It is.

00:26:08.000 It's interesting.

00:26:09.000 They get angry after the game's over.

00:26:10.000 Yeah.

00:26:11.000 Some dudes could lose 20 bucks and be pissed at you for a year. 1.00

00:26:17.000 Yeah.

00:26:17.000 That's fun.

00:26:18.000 Good times.

00:26:19.000 It's a little gratifying.

00:26:21.000 But it's weird that we get so personally invested in the way cards lay out.

00:26:25.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:26:26.000 To the point where we're like, fuck you, you're always getting these fucking aces! 1.00

00:26:29.000 Well, it's half that, and it's also your, you know, this game, and you have to read people, and you can see how people hold their hand. 1.00

00:26:36.000 I can usually tell if someone's got cards.

00:26:38.000 You know, you just pay attention.

00:26:39.000 Do you think that's what poker is?

00:26:40.000 It's like part amateur psychic, part a game of craft and skill?

00:26:47.000 Yeah, I also just like the hang of when my landlord has a card game downstairs and I just walk downstairs with a bottle of tequila and have so much fun and don't need to leave the house and make a couple hundred bucks and then go back upstairs in my apartment.

00:27:01.000 You know what makes me think of hypnosis is those dudes that wear sunglasses at the table.

00:27:06.000 Right.

00:27:07.000 The threat of looking like a douche is nothing to them in comparison to the threat of someone looking into their eyes.

00:27:13.000 They would rather have that extra shield.

00:27:15.000 It seems to me a wise move.

00:27:16.000 I respect it.

00:27:17.000 I respect that.

00:27:18.000 So you're saying I should wear sunglasses the next home?

00:27:21.000 Okay, fine.

00:27:22.000 Thanks, guys.

00:27:24.000 I saw Jay-Z in the crowd at the UFC once.

00:27:27.000 Nighttime.

00:27:27.000 Sunglasses.

00:27:28.000 Of course.

00:27:28.000 I'm like, yep, I get it.

00:27:30.000 You don't want anybody looking in your eyes.

00:27:31.000 Jay-Z, it must be annoying.

00:27:36.000 A bunch of dudes might be annoying him all the time.

00:27:39.000 Yeah.

00:27:40.000 That's how I feel about wearing hats on stage.

00:27:41.000 I feel like I can get out of here.

00:27:44.000 Perfect.

00:27:45.000 I love it.

00:27:46.000 That's the move.

00:27:46.000 I feel like he could wear better sunglasses.

00:27:48.000 No, no, no.

00:27:48.000 Those are perfect for his look.

00:27:50.000 Are they?

00:27:50.000 Yeah, look at the thing around his neck, the beads.

00:27:54.000 Mardi Gras beads?

00:27:55.000 Yeah, he's partying.

00:27:56.000 That's a fat sack of chips. 0.99

00:27:56.000 So he showed his boobs for that necklace? 0.99

00:27:59.000 No, he's got money, baby. 0.99

00:28:02.000 He's got money.

00:28:03.000 Look at all them chips. 1.00

00:28:04.000 Look, there's something pretty spectacular about one of those guys that can win those fucking World Series of pool shit. 1.00

00:28:10.000 You know who does that? 0.99

00:28:11.000 Who?

00:28:12.000 Bruce Buffer.

00:28:12.000 Bruce Buffer from the UFC. Really?

00:28:15.000 He's a giant poker player. 1.00

00:28:16.000 Loves that shit. 1.00

00:28:17.000 He's always in the- Poker or pool? 1.00

00:28:19.000 You said poker.

00:28:19.000 Did I say pool?

00:28:20.000 You did. 1.00

00:28:20.000 I was looking at that fat guy's boobs. 1.00

00:28:22.000 I was thinking of things rolling. 0.99

00:28:24.000 I didn't mean to, bro.

00:28:26.000 Yeah, it was distracting.

00:28:28.000 Chips.

00:28:28.000 I meant chips.

00:28:29.000 But Bruce Buff was a killer poker player.

00:28:33.000 Like a legit one.

00:28:34.000 He gets an old World Series of poker events.

00:28:36.000 I feel like you'd be really good at poker.

00:28:38.000 No chance.

00:28:40.000 Really?

00:28:40.000 Zero desire to be sitting.

00:28:41.000 Nothing's happening.

00:28:43.000 You move the paper.

00:28:44.000 I'm bored.

00:28:45.000 Oh, okay.

00:28:46.000 That's fair.

00:28:47.000 But I feel like as a martial artist who your mind game is such a big element, I feel like you would crush it at a poker table.

00:28:55.000 Probably not.

00:28:56.000 Hashtag powerful.

00:28:57.000 It's not fun to watch for me.

00:29:00.000 Copy that.

00:29:00.000 If I watch it, I go, I get it.

00:29:02.000 I get it.

00:29:02.000 I get sucked into that trap.

00:29:04.000 Look, I won't push it on you, but I might call you the next time we're having a home game.

00:29:07.000 It'd be really fun to have you there.

00:29:08.000 I'm terrible. 1.00

00:29:09.000 I'll just talk shit. 1.00

00:29:10.000 I'll just go there and talk shit until people lose. 1.00

00:29:12.000 There you go. 1.00

00:29:12.000 Or until I lose. 1.00

00:29:14.000 I'm not good at it.

00:29:16.000 It's just because, look, same with golf.

00:29:19.000 Like, I've been told to try golf, and I'm like, I'm not interested.

00:29:22.000 I can't see you as a golf fan.

00:29:23.000 I can't.

00:29:24.000 I don't want to get into it.

00:29:25.000 I don't want to get stuck.

00:29:27.000 You guys are stuck.

00:29:28.000 You guys are stuck in something that takes eight hours to do.

00:29:31.000 I'm not trying to be out there.

00:29:33.000 I'll putt-putt, but I just won't golf. 0.97

00:29:35.000 My comedian friends would get into golf, they'd go on the road together with fucking giant golf bags and shit, and travel across the country, and we'll do golf in a day, and then we'll do jokes at night, and they're always exhausted. 0.99

00:29:46.000 You're walking around all day with clubs and shit. 0.98

00:29:49.000 Is there a workout element to it? 0.99

00:29:51.000 If you're poor, because you've got to carry your clubs.

00:29:55.000 But it's also just the whole thing.

00:29:57.000 You're walking around this course for hours and hours and lining up shots and then moving to the next shot and you're concentrating all day. 1.00

00:30:06.000 That shit takes forever. 1.00

00:30:09.000 Guys love it. 1.00

00:30:10.000 They love it.

00:30:12.000 Especially rich dudes.

00:30:14.000 Rich old dudes who do business love to play golf. 0.99

00:30:18.000 They get together and they fucking swat that ball around and chase it. 0.97

00:30:22.000 Things that require an investment in the gear. 0.99

00:30:26.000 Yeah.

00:30:27.000 Bro, we got virtual reality now.

00:30:29.000 You're out there walking around on the field looking for a ball.

00:30:33.000 You mean like golden tea?

00:30:35.000 I get it.

00:30:36.000 It's a super skillful game.

00:30:37.000 But to me, it's interesting as an outsider who's never been bit by the bug.

00:30:41.000 I know that if I tried it, I'd probably get bit by that golf bug.

00:30:45.000 It seems like everybody does.

00:30:47.000 It's an amazing game.

00:30:48.000 Do you have an extracurricular sport that you're into?

00:30:50.000 Like tennis?

00:30:52.000 No, never done. 1.00

00:30:53.000 That seems to me a recipe for meniscus damage that I need for other stupid shit I do. 1.00

00:30:57.000 Yeah, I see. 1.00

00:30:57.000 I need to keep my meniscus healthy for other stupid shit. 1.00

00:31:01.000 Know thyself. 1.00

00:31:01.000 I love tennis. 1.00

00:31:02.000 I would get so mad if I couldn't do jujitsu because I played tennis.

00:31:07.000 Yeah.

00:31:08.000 I'd be like, oh.

00:31:09.000 Yeah.

00:31:10.000 That'd be a major hit. 1.00

00:31:12.000 That'd be so stupid. 1.00

00:31:13.000 That'd be so stupid. 1.00

00:31:15.000 This ball doesn't mean anything. 1.00

00:31:16.000 I don't care.

00:31:17.000 Get the ball.

00:31:18.000 Take it.

00:31:18.000 Wait a second.

00:31:19.000 Take the fucking ball. 1.00

00:31:21.000 Take the ball, not my meniscus. 1.00

00:31:23.000 I don't care about that ball.

00:31:26.000 That's a solid reason not to play tennis.

00:31:30.000 For real, imagine what it must have been like the first time a human being invented a musical instrument.

00:31:37.000 For real.

00:31:38.000 Imagine how crazy it is.

00:31:39.000 Had to have been the drum.

00:31:40.000 Right?

00:31:41.000 Maybe.

00:31:41.000 Probably.

00:31:42.000 Yeah, probably.

00:31:43.000 Animal skin.

00:31:44.000 Maybe some sort of a reed that someone blew the wind through.

00:31:47.000 Yeah.

00:31:47.000 Made sound.

00:31:48.000 Mimicking what the wind was doing.

00:31:50.000 Or bird calls.

00:31:51.000 Trying to...

00:31:52.000 Oh, yeah, right?

00:31:53.000 Trying to lure that turkey in? 0.96

00:31:54.000 I don't know what they sound like.

00:31:55.000 Oh my god, some guys can do that insane.

00:31:58.000 Yeah, you would know.

00:31:59.000 All your hunting buddies and stuff.

00:32:01.000 They have legit turkey calling contests and elk calling contests.

00:32:05.000 Or men, grown men with families, grown men who vote and pay taxes, are screaming.

00:32:11.000 Is it televised?

00:32:12.000 Oh my god, it is.

00:32:14.000 No, I mean, maybe the Sportsman's channel might have some footage on it, but mostly, but you can find it on the internet.

00:32:20.000 It's these dudes.

00:32:21.000 Okay.

00:32:22.000 Yeah, these dudes, they have these turkey calling contests. 1.00

00:32:27.000 Oh my god.

00:32:28.000 And they try to sound the most like a turkey.

00:32:30.000 Do they do it with their voices or instruments?

00:32:34.000 I can't do it with my voice, clearly.

00:32:36.000 I don't know.

00:32:36.000 I feel like that was pretty good.

00:32:37.000 Some guys can.

00:32:37.000 And the elk one, they put a little thing in their mouth.

00:32:42.000 It's almost like a reed.

00:32:44.000 It's like a flat reed and it sits on the top of your mouth. 0.97

00:32:48.000 And they blow into a tube and make these sounds like a really horny male elk. 0.70

00:32:52.000 And they have contests.

00:32:54.000 Who's judging?

00:32:55.000 I know.

00:32:56.000 It's crazy.

00:32:58.000 Who is?

00:33:00.000 How do you know?

00:33:01.000 How do you know if it's a good call or not?

00:33:03.000 It's a good question.

00:33:04.000 Wow.

00:33:05.000 It's a really good question.

00:33:06.000 Yeah, wow.

00:33:07.000 But it's an art form, for sure.

00:33:09.000 It is.

00:33:09.000 When you hear it, there's dudes who can do it that make it sound exactly like an elk.

00:33:13.000 And you're like, wow.

00:33:14.000 And they can talk. 1.00

00:33:15.000 They've been around elk for decades, so they can kind of talk elk shit. 0.99

00:33:19.000 And they're also attracted to them a little bit? 0.99

00:33:21.000 A little bit.

00:33:22.000 Probably a little bit.

00:33:23.000 Well, they're beautiful, majestic animals.

00:33:25.000 Don't get weird.

00:33:25.000 Okay, I'm not getting weird.

00:33:27.000 Who's getting weird?

00:33:30.000 But sounds.

00:33:32.000 That's probably one of the first sounds, right?

00:33:34.000 Mimicking animals. 1.00

00:33:35.000 But then someone figured out how to make a fucking guitar. 1.00

00:33:39.000 And no one's topped that shit since. 1.00

00:33:41.000 Stop and think about that for a while. 1.00

00:33:43.000 Whoever the fuck made the guitar, that person nailed it. 0.99

00:33:45.000 Well, they were made out of cat gut or animal intestines for the strings in the beginning. 1.00

00:33:51.000 I know that.

00:33:53.000 Imagine how bored you have to be before you start doing that.

00:33:55.000 How does anyone invent anything?

00:33:57.000 I mean, that is nuts. 0.99

00:34:00.000 Put some cat gut on a fucking big old wooden thing that I hollowed out for a year. 0.98

00:34:06.000 Yeah, when did the scales, when did tone become a thing? 0.98

00:34:11.000 This is fascinating.

00:34:13.000 It's a weird thought.

00:34:14.000 I feel like I should know this.

00:34:15.000 I feel like I should, too.

00:34:16.000 I don't think it's possible to know.

00:34:17.000 I guess we got some homework to do.

00:34:18.000 Should we write it on the Staples notepad?

00:34:20.000 Learn about where the sounds came from.

00:34:23.000 Who created the cat gut?

00:34:26.000 Was it like the Egyptians? 0.92

00:34:28.000 Like who was the first musical instrument creator?

00:34:30.000 Was it the Egyptians that we know of?

00:34:32.000 Like where there's a depiction and an image of a musical instrument?

00:34:36.000 Was it like a harp or something like that?

00:34:38.000 When do you think that would have been?

00:34:40.000 Well, I would think, yeah.

00:34:43.000 I mean, what year time frame are we talking here for Egyptians?

00:34:47.000 I don't know.

00:34:47.000 I don't either.

00:34:48.000 Well, Egyptians, it was a long, long empire. 0.89

00:34:51.000 But they were alive.

00:34:52.000 This is how crazy it is.

00:34:54.000 Cleopatra was closer, her life existed closer to the birth of the iPhone than it did to the construction of the pyramids.

00:35:02.000 What?

00:35:02.000 Yes.

00:35:03.000 What?

00:35:04.000 Yes.

00:35:05.000 How? 0.99

00:35:06.000 Because Egypt has been around for a long fucking time. 0.99

00:35:10.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:35:11.000 Yeah, 2,500 B.C. is the estimated year that they built the Great Pyramid of Giza.

00:35:18.000 And Cleopatra was like, I think she died.

00:35:20.000 She died in A.D. And she died closer, again, closer to the iPhone.

00:35:24.000 It was like she died like the first couple centuries or something A.D. So the Egyptian Empire had been around for fucking five years. 0.98

00:35:32.000 Thousands of years! 0.97

00:35:33.000 Do you ever think about, like, in the alien sense, you know, all the conspiracies surrounding the pyramids and things, like, do you ever wonder about, like, more of the extraterrestrial affiliations with the Egyptians?

00:35:46.000 Not just the Egyptians, but with human beings.

00:35:48.000 And this is why. 0.98

00:35:49.000 Because it sounds ridiculous. 0.94

00:35:51.000 It sounds ridiculous when you talk about it. 0.85

00:35:53.000 And because it sounds ridiculous when you talk about it, people don't like to talk about it.

00:35:56.000 So it doesn't get considered as being a potential reality.

00:36:00.000 But we're so different than every other thing on this rock!

00:36:04.000 There's nothing even close to us!

00:36:06.000 We're so weird!

00:36:07.000 We make music, we can talk, we can send video through the sky.

00:36:13.000 We understand humor.

00:36:14.000 We understand nuance.

00:36:15.000 We understand chaos and peace and love. 0.99

00:36:18.000 And we're constantly making newer and better shit. 0.99

00:36:20.000 And there's nothing like us. 0.99

00:36:22.000 Everything else is just trying to mate.

00:36:23.000 Eat and mate.

00:36:24.000 That's it.

00:36:25.000 Right?

00:36:25.000 Even dolphins.

00:36:26.000 Dolphins are as smart as us, apparently. 0.97

00:36:28.000 Or maybe even smarter.

00:36:30.000 They have a giant head. 0.60

00:36:31.000 They have huge brains. 1.00

00:36:34.000 They have all this shit that we can't even comprehend. 1.00

00:36:38.000 Their language is complex. 1.00

00:36:40.000 We don't even know what it is.

00:36:41.000 We know they have a language, but we don't even know what they're saying.

00:36:45.000 They also like to play.

00:36:46.000 They have games.

00:36:47.000 Same with a lot of birds.

00:36:48.000 Crows like to play.

00:36:49.000 But we're so different. 1.00

00:36:50.000 We make crazy shit. 1.00

00:36:52.000 We can nuke us. 1.00

00:36:53.000 We can nuke each other. 0.99

00:36:54.000 We can fucking power our phones with the sky. 0.99

00:36:58.000 I mean, we're weird. 1.00

00:37:00.000 We're like, this fucking wind, I want to turn that shit into electricity. 1.00

00:37:03.000 We figure out how to make windmills and planes that soar through the atmosphere. 1.00

00:37:08.000 Everything else is just fucking and eating. 0.99

00:37:10.000 And we're going crazy. 1.00

00:37:13.000 All the way nuts.

00:37:15.000 Well, like, back to where did music come from?

00:37:17.000 You know, sometimes I wonder if, like, the people that came up with these things, and obviously you can go to school and learn a trade or, you know, become a master of your craft or engineering, but, like, sometimes I wonder if it's just,

00:37:33.000 like, some weird other dimensional source that comes out of nowhere.

00:37:39.000 That's what I think ideas are.

00:37:40.000 Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

00:37:41.000 Ideas, 100%.

00:37:43.000 I've been saying this for a long time.

00:37:45.000 I think we should think of ideas as a life form that's trying to propagate itself.

00:37:48.000 Because everything that you see came from an idea.

00:37:51.000 Everything.

00:37:52.000 Every invention.

00:37:54.000 Everything.

00:37:55.000 Every song that you've ever written and sang.

00:37:59.000 Every book that's ever been written.

00:38:00.000 All that stuff.

00:38:01.000 Every book ever written came from an idea and then boom, it's a real thing.

00:38:06.000 Like imagine if ideas, because we don't know where they're coming from.

00:38:08.000 I feel like that when I write sometimes. 0.99

00:38:10.000 I'm like, what the fuck? 0.98

00:38:11.000 Do you ever feel like that was almost like a gift? 0.99

00:38:15.000 Like something's given you a gift?

00:38:16.000 Yes.

00:38:17.000 Like it was a channel of sorts?

00:38:19.000 Yes.

00:38:21.000 It's weird.

00:38:22.000 I don't want this to be misinterpreted.

00:38:26.000 I 100% give you credit for creating it.

00:38:29.000 I don't.

00:38:30.000 That's not what I'm saying. 1.00

00:38:30.000 Yeah, we can cut that bullshit. 1.00

00:38:32.000 But I'm just saying that to people that might get weird about this. 0.99

00:38:36.000 That don't get where I'm coming from.

00:38:38.000 What I'm coming from is...

00:38:41.000 Everybody that I know that creates things has a very similar narrative.

00:38:45.000 It's coming out of nowhere.

00:38:47.000 I just have to be there to get it.

00:38:50.000 There's a thing where you're in the group, particularly if you spend a lot of time on it and you're working at it and you're passionate about it and you're focused on it.

00:38:59.000 It's almost like a muse, even if it's not real.

00:39:05.000 I think? 0.98

00:39:28.000 If someone told you that, there was a God doing that, you're like, oh God, that's so ridiculous. 1.00

00:39:32.000 What do you give a shit? 1.00

00:39:32.000 Who's doing it? 1.00

00:39:33.000 It's the same thing.

00:39:34.000 It's like a God's doing it for you.

00:39:36.000 It really does work.

00:39:38.000 If you focus on what you're trying to do, these weird moments do come out where creativity pops up and you don't know where it came from.

00:39:47.000 An idea will come to you.

00:39:49.000 I think it's equal, not equal parts, but it's, you know, when you put in the effort to, like, keep the muscle flexed, like the creative one where you're writing regularly or you're practicing regularly, and then you also kind of let it, you know, sort of come in.

00:40:04.000 You know, I saw Dan Harmon speak once at one of Duncan Trussell's live podcasts, and he had this, he said, he called it the gingerbread man theory, and he said it was almost like He was a giant...

00:40:19.000 I don't know why this was what he said, but he was a gingerbread man.

00:40:22.000 And there was a big hole in the top of his head. 1.00

00:40:25.000 And there was all this shit falling into this hole from somewhere. 0.99

00:40:29.000 And every once in a while, about 10% of it would lightly dust the rim inside of the gingerbread jar. 0.99

00:40:35.000 And that was him.

00:40:36.000 And the rest was other stuff.

00:40:39.000 Jesus Christ.

00:40:41.000 I thought that was really interesting.

00:40:42.000 I know, right?

00:40:43.000 Yeah.

00:40:46.000 I love Rick and Morty so much.

00:40:48.000 But you know, think about that and then watch Rick and Morty.

00:40:50.000 If you do, you'll be like, oh, I get it.

00:40:52.000 I totally get it.

00:40:53.000 I do get it.

00:40:54.000 Wow, that's hilarious.

00:40:55.000 But you also have to put in an effort to inspire yourself, inform yourself, read, learn, grow, live, and then you put all that together.

00:41:05.000 Have we ever talked about the War of Art?

00:41:07.000 Stevie Pressfield book?

00:41:09.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:41:09.000 For anybody that's into...

00:41:10.000 It's not just...

00:41:12.000 Like writing, but it's kind of about writing.

00:41:14.000 But it's also about, like, I think everything.

00:41:17.000 There's a weird thing that we call procrastination.

00:41:22.000 And he calls it resistance in the book.

00:41:25.000 It's really interesting.

00:41:26.000 Because you realize, like, what it is.

00:41:27.000 There's this weird thing that tries to keep people from being their best at stuff.

00:41:32.000 There's like a weird confusion and stress about it that keeps you from focusing on what you really need to do to be a true professional.

00:41:40.000 And he sort of lays it out in the book in a way that makes you go, oh.

00:41:44.000 Because he figured it out when he was like 40 years old.

00:41:47.000 Figured out what he had been doing wrong.

00:41:49.000 Changed his direction.

00:41:50.000 And then became super successful as a writer.

00:41:53.000 And is really respected as a writer.

00:41:56.000 And this book is one of the most interesting things because you know his history.

00:42:01.000 That he kind of figured out how to get out of his own way and just show up.

00:42:04.000 He simplifies it.

00:42:04.000 And puts in the work.

00:42:06.000 Well, because I think a lot of it's subconscious, too.

00:42:08.000 It's like you want to succeed and you want to, you know, grow and evolve.

00:42:14.000 But then there's these obstacles of like, yeah, but you know what?

00:42:16.000 Today I'm going to do this.

00:42:17.000 I'm going to, you know, you know what?

00:42:18.000 I got to, you know, you just kind of procrastinate in this.

00:42:22.000 It's a powerful force, you know, and that can grow into so many things.

00:42:28.000 You know, your self-doubt.

00:42:29.000 No, I'm not ready.

00:42:30.000 I can't do that.

00:42:30.000 I'm not ready.

00:42:31.000 I can't play that show or whatever.

00:42:33.000 You know, that's not a good example.

00:42:35.000 But it seems like there's a wrestling match in creative people's heads, particularly like performance artists like you guys or like comedians or singers or anybody, where there's a wrestling match between like creating stuff and And being disciplined,

00:42:51.000 putting in a lot of work, or slacking off and feeling like, oh my god, I gotta get back to work again, and then being really excited to work hard and get going again.

00:43:01.000 And some people fall too far into one way or the other.

00:43:05.000 And there's like a weird balance in there.

00:43:07.000 You almost have to be scared. 1.00

00:43:09.000 Yeah, fuck yeah. 1.00

00:43:10.000 You know what I'm saying? 1.00

00:43:11.000 Yeah, I think that because that's...

00:43:14.000 Your vulnerability is a big part of giving an honest thing to a crowd when you're playing music or comedy.

00:43:24.000 I think that...

00:43:30.000 Sorry, I feel like I'm talking too much, Gary.

00:43:32.000 No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

00:43:33.000 Don't worry about it.

00:43:34.000 We're all going to talk for a long time.

00:43:36.000 Yeah, we are.

00:43:37.000 Yeah, we usually do.

00:43:38.000 Just express yourself.

00:43:39.000 It's okay.

00:43:41.000 I've played music with folks, and I don't want to say this in a knock against conservatory students and things like that, but I found that people that are really, really smart in the...

00:43:58.000 Yeah.

00:44:12.000 Yeah. 0.80

00:44:17.000 Find the thing where I think sometimes I've felt like when I've played with people that I know I'm gonna get so much shit for this.

00:44:24.000 I'm so I'm like kind of embarrassed to say it.

00:44:27.000 You're a nice person and you're gonna say it in a nice way.

00:44:31.000 I'm trying to find the middle ground that's like, you know, I'm not gonna piss off too many people.

00:44:35.000 That's not always the case.

00:44:37.000 There are some brilliant, but like the vibe is where it's at.

00:44:40.000 So what I'm trying to say is, yes, you can go to school and be the smartest and know the map frontwards and backwards, but if you can't feel it when you're playing live and playing with other people, then there's a huge missing element.

00:44:53.000 That's what I want to say.

00:44:54.000 I'm not, I don't want to, but I think that you almost have more of an obstacle when you are, you have that kind of intelligence with music because it's upstairs.

00:45:04.000 Gary, do you agree with that or is this, are we fighting?

00:45:13.000 I kind of simplify it like this.

00:45:20.000 I think of it like a radio like You know, back in the day when you would tune a radio, you try and dial in whatever station and you get that clear channel.

00:45:30.000 Sometimes you'd have to move yourself.

00:45:32.000 Sometimes you'd have to just get yourself in that place.

00:45:35.000 And I think that as a musician, for me, what I'm trying to do is gather...

00:45:40.000 Information around me.

00:45:41.000 Gather little things and not consume myself with it.

00:45:44.000 So when I'm in that place to receive that inspiration or that thought or that melody, whatever that is, I'm not clouding myself with doubt or this isn't what this person's doing or whatever.

00:45:56.000 I'm just...

00:45:57.000 I'm here in this with everybody, but I'm like, alright, I'm going to dial this in.

00:46:02.000 So the noise goes away a little bit less.

00:46:04.000 So you're a good listener as a player.

00:46:06.000 I don't know if this makes sense, but that's how I see it.

00:46:07.000 It's like, how can I, as an artist, how can I dial into that channel?

00:46:12.000 How can I be the receiver and get that clearest thing?

00:46:17.000 And whatever you were talking about with the gingerbread.

00:46:19.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:46:20.000 That little piece of you at the top is like you're holding on to that thing. 0.93

00:46:27.000 And putting that all out there as a force, it makes sense to me, but that doesn't sound stupid. 0.99

00:46:34.000 No, it doesn't sound stupid. 0.99

00:46:37.000 Some people are so consumed with giving what they know and pushing everything out there that they're not taking the time to sit back and listen and just shut the fuck up for a minute and listen to this beautiful inspiration that comes out of nowhere. 0.99

00:46:54.000 Just listen to yourself, your inner boss, that being. 0.71

00:46:59.000 So when you show up to a place and you're jamming, of course you can It's gonna be somebody who just comes in and just gives you everything that they know.

00:47:09.000 Right.

00:47:11.000 And be like, yo, I just crushed this thing without accepting the fact that we're a collective here.

00:47:17.000 Yeah, there's other people playing.

00:47:18.000 We're trying to all tune into the same station.

00:47:21.000 And that's when that magic happens.

00:47:22.000 That's when you let yourself go and be that.

00:47:25.000 Writing or jamming or playing, whatever, recording.

00:47:28.000 Can I ask you, is this approach something that you've evolved?

00:47:32.000 Or something you knew intuitively from the jump that this is how you need to tune out and look at things.

00:47:40.000 The way you're describing your ability to shut the fuck up and look at the world and draw inspiration from the world, is that something that came to you in time or is it something that you always intuitively knew? 0.99

00:47:53.000 I just, I think it goes back to like, sitting around smoking weed with my friends and just like, you know, not getting caught up with the bullshit. 1.00

00:48:03.000 Not getting caught up with the bullshit. 0.99

00:48:05.000 Not putting so much pressure on myself to be what it is that, you know, is happening. 0.99

00:48:11.000 God, that's such a gift.

00:48:13.000 To be this type of an artist, to be this.

00:48:15.000 Just who listen to myself?

00:48:17.000 Who am I? And listening to myself, I feel like, is listening to the, you know...

00:48:23.000 This is gonna sound...

00:48:24.000 Tune into that channel.

00:48:26.000 This is gonna sound goofy, but that's what comes out in your music.

00:48:29.000 When you did that Midnight Rider cover... 1.00

00:48:31.000 Jamie, find that shit. 1.00

00:48:32.000 Oh, no. 1.00

00:48:33.000 Find it.

00:48:34.000 Play it.

00:48:34.000 We must play it and embarrass them.

00:48:36.000 Oh, no.

00:48:37.000 It was such a wonderful moment because I hate using the word wonderful, but I really mean it.

00:48:41.000 It's the only word for that spot.

00:48:42.000 You know, it's just going to be a big resurgence of the whole cell phone thing again.

00:48:45.000 They don't understand.

00:48:47.000 No rehearsal.

00:48:48.000 You guys never sang together. 0.99

00:48:49.000 You didn't do shit together. 0.99

00:48:50.000 You guys bust out Midnight Rider. 0.98

00:48:52.000 I love that song. 1.00

00:48:53.000 I couldn't tell you the fucking words. 0.99

00:48:55.000 If I had to sing it right now, I'd be like, ooh, I might fuck it up. 0.99

00:48:59.000 Like I said, that was my early morning smoke weed and go to the radios. 0.99

00:49:04.000 That's a fucking amazing song. 0.99

00:49:07.000 Oh my god. 1.00

00:49:08.000 This is one of my happiest moments as an audience.

00:49:18.000 That's Gary Clark Jr's sound right there!

00:49:22.000 Texas baby.

00:49:23.000 What are you playing at 335?

00:49:25.000 That's yours.

00:49:26.000 That's ours!

00:49:52.000 Yeah.

00:50:01.000 I know.

00:50:03.000 Oh, God.

00:50:07.000 My mom... 1.00

00:50:09.000 Fuck, that's good. 1.00

00:50:11.000 Goddamn, that was fun. 1.00

00:50:13.000 That was fun. 0.98

00:50:14.000 But that's what I was talking about.

00:50:15.000 You have a sound, man.

00:50:16.000 If somebody played me that riff, I'd be like, that's Gary Clark Jr., 100%.

00:50:20.000 Really?

00:50:20.000 Or someone pretending to be him.

00:50:21.000 Well, that's cool.

00:50:22.000 I'd like to piggyback that, because when you came in and played on my tune in July, you were just straight into the amp. 0.99

00:50:31.000 And you were doing things with the guitar that I was like, what the fuck? 0.99

00:50:34.000 What the fuck is he doing that? 0.99

00:50:37.000 It's you, it's this guitar, but you didn't have any pedals. 0.99

00:50:41.000 You were just straight in.

00:50:43.000 Yeah, I was just out there.

00:50:44.000 It was great.

00:50:45.000 You know, I have video of you playing and I love it because you're just so sweaty.

00:50:52.000 I was a hot sweaty mess.

00:50:55.000 It's a good story because...

00:50:57.000 And I'm just so grateful it worked out.

00:50:59.000 But my dear friend, John Spiker, who produced the record, he's a hell of a guy.

00:51:07.000 And it was like the whole day, we had texted about you coming in, and you were flying in from Austin with your family.

00:51:14.000 And you said, I think I'm going to make it.

00:51:17.000 And...

00:51:19.000 And then you said you couldn't make it.

00:51:21.000 And John Spiker, he also plays bass in Tenacious D. And Tenacious D was having this, like, secret show happening for Kyle Gass's birthday in Burbank.

00:51:31.000 And John was kind of, like, MDing the whole night and all this stuff.

00:51:37.000 And so I was like, Gary can't make it.

00:51:38.000 And then...

00:51:40.000 Like a little while later, you're like, I can make it.

00:51:41.000 I'm getting in an Uber.

00:51:42.000 I'm headed to the studio. 0.99

00:51:43.000 And then I was like, shit, John, we got to go back. 0.99

00:51:45.000 We got to go to the studio. 0.99

00:51:46.000 And I couldn't get a hold of him because he was in Soundcheck.

00:51:47.000 So I'm like calling all his friends and I'm like, we got to go.

00:51:50.000 We got to go.

00:51:50.000 And then finally he's like, I'll be there in 20 minutes.

00:51:52.000 I was like, me too.

00:51:53.000 And we get to the studio and the air conditioning wasn't quite on.

00:51:57.000 And it was in July.

00:51:58.000 So it was like 100 degrees outside.

00:52:01.000 And it was very hot in there, like very hot.

00:52:04.000 Kind of insane.

00:52:06.000 And we had a half an hour for Gary to play.

00:52:09.000 You did like seven passes.

00:52:11.000 And it was so amazing.

00:52:13.000 I have video of this, and if I haven't sent it to you, I have to because it's so great. 0.96

00:52:17.000 And you're just fucking shredding and sweating. 0.85

00:52:21.000 And then when you left, you're like, I feel like I just played a show because it was so hot. 0.98

00:52:26.000 And it was great.

00:52:27.000 It was one of my favorite days.

00:52:29.000 And then I got to go watch Tenacious D playing the shitty bar, and it was honestly, I was just like, this was a great day.

00:52:35.000 That's amazing.

00:52:36.000 We've been trying to do something together, so.

00:52:37.000 Yeah, I'm so stoked, man.

00:52:39.000 This song is fire.

00:52:40.000 Yeah.

00:52:41.000 So I appreciate you.

00:52:42.000 Thank you, likewise.

00:52:45.000 Great guitar is something that's been a part of this, you know, the music history of great guitar.

00:52:53.000 It's a crazy history, you know?

00:52:56.000 It's one of those...

00:52:59.000 One of the absolute most powerful inventions that human beings ever created was the guitar and then the electric guitar. 0.95

00:53:05.000 Because some of the fucking inspiration has come from some songs that just make you just jump and scream and dance around your house. 0.78

00:53:13.000 I mean, stop and think about it. 0.99

00:53:15.000 There's the vocals for sure, there's the singing, there's the bass, there's the drums, but goddamn a fucking electric guitar needs to be there! 0.99

00:53:24.000 That's the one variable you can't remove! 0.99

00:53:29.000 Guitarists change lives, man.

00:53:30.000 They do.

00:53:31.000 Yeah, agreed. 0.99

00:53:32.000 They make you fucking pumped. 0.98

00:53:33.000 You can be on an elliptical machine ready to quit and kickstart my heart comes on. 1.00

00:53:41.000 Come on! 0.99

00:53:45.000 That will fire you the fuck up. 0.95

00:53:48.000 You'll find that extra juice, right?

00:53:50.000 That's hilarious. 0.99

00:53:51.000 That's so funny that you say that is what motivates you because when I'm on tour and I don't want to work out, I think about you saying, conquer your inner bitch. 1.00

00:54:01.000 And I'll be like, fucking God, I get to that gym downstairs. 1.00

00:54:03.000 We all have that inner bitch. 1.00

00:54:05.000 Oh, sure do. 1.00

00:54:05.000 We all have that inner bitch. 1.00

00:54:06.000 It's like, come on. 1.00

00:54:07.000 Some of us have an outer bitch, too. 1.00

00:54:09.000 You just need your rest. 1.00

00:54:11.000 You need to sleep.

00:54:11.000 Ten hours isn't enough.

00:54:15.000 Let's have a coffee.

00:54:17.000 Let's eat something and then let it digest and we'll work out later.

00:54:21.000 We all play little weird mind games. 1.00

00:54:23.000 That's your inner bitch. 1.00

00:54:25.000 You know, in all transparency, though, per the workout portion of this conversation, I definitely, at this point in my life, work out harder than I ever did in my 20s. 0.99

00:54:35.000 Wow.

00:54:36.000 I love it.

00:54:37.000 That's awesome.

00:54:38.000 It makes me feel so good.

00:54:39.000 What'd you start doing?

00:54:41.000 Well, you know, I... Last year, when I played with Hosier, the Irish dude, we had a big tour, and one of the girls in the band, Rachel Beauregard, this amazing woman, she's a yoga instructor and just kind of a natural athlete,

00:54:59.000 and she would just...

00:55:01.000 Work us out almost every day.

00:55:03.000 And so every day we would do like just about every day, you know, yoga or like circuit training or she'd like have a group text in the gym.

00:55:10.000 And it just like my my mental game alone was just just to have that release almost every day was it was great.

00:55:18.000 And I used to be pretty lazy with it was working out.

00:55:21.000 And so now I do I work out almost every day, if not every other day.

00:55:25.000 I take a day off every other day. 0.95

00:55:27.000 That's fucking awesome. 0.93

00:55:28.000 Yeah, thanks. 0.95

00:55:29.000 Just trying to make you proud.

00:55:30.000 Do you feel better?

00:55:30.000 So much better.

00:55:32.000 Across the board.

00:55:33.000 I love my body, but I also love the effort.

00:55:39.000 I feel good.

00:55:41.000 And then I can go drink as much as I want, and I don't feel bad about it.

00:55:47.000 Well, there goes that health endorsement.

00:55:51.000 No, I'm going to get like a Buffalo Trace endorsement.

00:55:56.000 That's what I'm really angling for.

00:55:57.000 Come on now.

00:55:58.000 Yeah, I think the real problem is drinking and not working out.

00:56:01.000 I really think that.

00:56:02.000 By the way, cheers everybody.

00:56:04.000 Cheers.

00:56:04.000 Love you guys.

00:56:05.000 I love you guys too.

00:56:08.000 That's hilarious.

00:56:09.000 It's fun.

00:56:10.000 But it's, I mean, so many people that are suffering from depression that don't work out.

00:56:14.000 I'm like, please, people.

00:56:15.000 Please, please.

00:56:16.000 It's a world changer.

00:56:17.000 It's better than a drug.

00:56:18.000 That meditation. 0.98

00:56:19.000 Yeah, but you can just, you don't even have to fucking go somewhere, man. 0.90

00:56:23.000 There's so many videos online. 0.94

00:56:24.000 If you're depressed, just please, please, just try something physical.

00:56:30.000 There's a drug that comes out when you do something physical.

00:56:33.000 And you could do simple burpees in your apartment.

00:56:35.000 You could do something.

00:56:37.000 But there's something that happens when you work out.

00:56:39.000 It's not just a vanity project.

00:56:43.000 There's actual benefits to your outlook.

00:56:49.000 There's people that make rationalizations, and they base those rationalizations off the worst negative stereotypes of someone who works out all the time.

00:56:56.000 Crossfit bros, or bodybuilder dudes.

00:56:59.000 Yeah, but most of those people are pretty happy. 1.00

00:57:02.000 A lot happier than you, bitch. 1.00

00:57:03.000 Yeah, it's true! 1.00

00:57:04.000 It's totally true!

00:57:06.000 You really pointed at me, and I was like, wait a second!

00:57:08.000 I meant that person out there critiquing and criticizing them.

00:57:11.000 That's what I meant.

00:57:12.000 There's so many people that, you know, I think we have requirements.

00:57:16.000 I think our body has requirements in terms of like energy expenditure and also threat.

00:57:20.000 There's worry and like about nature itself and when that doesn't exist anymore, I think the best thing that you could do is challenge yourself all the time with stuff.

00:57:30.000 And one of the best ways to challenge yourself is do something that's difficult and do something physical, because physical things are always difficult.

00:57:36.000 So if you do something difficult, meaning something that you have to concentrate on getting better at and think about, and then also do something physically difficult so that your body gets its demands and you can see things more clearly.

00:57:47.000 Because there's the people that don't ever get a hold of their body also don't get a hold of their emotions.

00:57:54.000 They spaz out.

00:57:55.000 Well, you know, per the CrossFit thing, too, it's like there's a sense of community there, too.

00:58:00.000 Like, these folks, they have each other's backs.

00:58:02.000 They're motivating each other.

00:58:04.000 And, you know, a lot of times when you kind of are like, I'm going to hit the gym and you kind of go solo, there's a different trajectory, I think, you know.

00:58:12.000 Totally.

00:58:12.000 I mean, some people can do a really good job at that.

00:58:14.000 I personally can't.

00:58:16.000 I will crap out pretty early and just be like, yeah, it's pretty good, you know.

00:58:20.000 But if someone's pushing me, then I'll stick with it. 0.55

00:58:23.000 I couldn't agree more.

00:58:24.000 I couldn't agree more.

00:58:25.000 The best way is for a class that's fun.

00:58:27.000 Like a jiu-jitsu class or an MMA class or a CrossFit class.

00:58:31.000 I know there's F45 and Orange Theory.

00:58:33.000 Yeah, my friends are into that.

00:58:34.000 Yeah, a lot of people are into that.

00:58:36.000 Because there's a bunch of people working out together.

00:58:37.000 It's motivational.

00:58:38.000 But I don't do well when someone like... 0.66

00:58:42.000 Kind of like makes fun of me for not keeping up like I was in a spin class once and this this and I've never really spun before and I was it was hurting my back for some reason like I don't think I had my bike at the right height or whatever not to make an excuse for myself but I wasn't keeping up and the instructor kept calling me out in the class and being like I know you hate me there in the back in the red pants I was like yes I do bitch I fucking hate you and I'm never coming back here again. 0.67

00:59:08.000 I was so mad.

00:59:09.000 That's so funny.

00:59:10.000 There's something about people making fun of people that they think is effective.

00:59:14.000 I didn't like it.

00:59:14.000 Like, get you to get going.

00:59:15.000 I'd rather have positive reinforcements.

00:59:17.000 That's usually better.

00:59:18.000 You're doing good.

00:59:18.000 Let's keep going.

00:59:19.000 See, that would have been fine. 1.00

00:59:19.000 Also, you're in the middle of a fucking class. 1.00

00:59:20.000 You're vulnerable. 1.00

00:59:21.000 You're exhausted.

00:59:22.000 I was so vulnerable.

00:59:23.000 So vulnerable, you know?

00:59:24.000 But that's a physical and it's also like a social experience.

00:59:28.000 Like when you do a class with a bunch of folks.

00:59:30.000 Because you kind of feed off each other's energy whether you like to admit it or not.

00:59:33.000 You know?

00:59:34.000 You kind of, like, it's fun.

00:59:36.000 You see everybody's pushing.

00:59:37.000 I feel about yoga class.

00:59:39.000 I could do yoga by myself, but I like it a lot better if I'm in a room full of people. 0.99

00:59:43.000 We're all in this fucking struggle together. 1.00

00:59:45.000 90 minutes of bullshit. 1.00

00:59:47.000 Speaking of yoga, I took a yoga class yesterday, walk out of my class in Silver Lake, Duncan Trussell standing there. 0.99

00:59:54.000 I think he was there for the afternoon mindful meditation.

00:59:58.000 That sounds like Duncan. 1.00

01:00:00.000 Probably high as fuck. 1.00

01:00:01.000 Probably didn't even know if you were really you. 1.00

01:00:03.000 Honestly, I said hi, and he went hey, and looked away, and then I took my sunglasses off, and I was like, hey, it's me, Suzanne.

01:00:09.000 And he was like, oh, I don't think he actually...

01:00:11.000 Thought you were a CIA plant trying to drag him away from his happy family.

01:00:15.000 Sorry, Duncan.

01:00:15.000 Love you, buddy.

01:00:18.000 Duncan Trussell is one of the great influencers.

01:00:20.000 He's amazing.

01:00:21.000 I did his podcast a couple months ago.

01:00:23.000 It was really fun.

01:00:24.000 He might have the best Twitter page in the known universe because he's the only one that's never succumbed to taking anything seriously.

01:00:29.000 He has the most preposterous suggestions for the future in the world. 0.99

01:00:35.000 His fucking Twitter page is amazing. 1.00

01:00:37.000 It's so funny. 0.99

01:00:38.000 He's a funny dude.

01:00:39.000 He's so smart, too.

01:00:41.000 What is that?

01:00:42.000 Is that on his page? 1.00

01:00:44.000 It's a bloody dick? 1.00

01:00:45.000 What is that? 1.00

01:00:46.000 It looks like...

01:00:46.000 Yo, what the...

01:00:47.000 What is that?

01:00:48.000 I took the fake salami challenge. 0.98

01:00:51.000 I don't know.

01:00:51.000 I don't know what that is.

01:00:53.000 I don't know what it is either, but I'm disturbed.

01:00:55.000 Yeah, I don't know what's happening.

01:00:56.000 I don't know what's happening.

01:00:57.000 That looks like...

01:00:58.000 I don't know.

01:01:00.000 That's Duncan.

01:01:00.000 It's a good detour, yeah.

01:01:01.000 If you've never met him, he's a fast guy.

01:01:03.000 He's hilarious.

01:01:04.000 He's a hilarious comedian.

01:01:06.000 Duncan and I became friends when he worked at the Comedy Store.

01:01:09.000 He was one of the people.

01:01:10.000 He was a comic there, but he was also the dude who you would call in.

01:01:13.000 Like, if you're in town, you'd say, hey, man, I'm in town Monday and Wednesday, and they put you on the lineup.

01:01:18.000 And so I'd call Duncan. 0.98

01:01:19.000 And I would give him my days, and then we would wind up talking on the phone for, like, fucking hours. 0.97

01:01:24.000 Like, dude, do you know about Aleister Crowley? 0.99

01:01:29.000 Crazy conversations about witchcraft and fucking psychics and UFOs and the reptilians. 0.98

01:01:37.000 And then we just became tight just from talking on the phone when I would call in for my reservations or the days that I was in town. 0.99

01:01:45.000 And then we started doing gigs together.

01:01:47.000 He's one of the most interesting people I've ever met in my life.

01:01:50.000 I don't know anyone like him.

01:01:52.000 He's incredible.

01:01:53.000 He's fascinating.

01:01:53.000 100% unique.

01:01:54.000 Yeah.

01:01:55.000 I don't know if it's okay to say this on air.

01:01:57.000 Don't say it.

01:01:58.000 Okay.

01:01:59.000 Yeah, keep it together.

01:02:00.000 Yeah, I will.

01:02:01.000 I will.

01:02:01.000 No, but he continues to like...

01:02:05.000 He's like...

01:02:07.000 Yeah.

01:02:08.000 There's no one like him.

01:02:09.000 No.

01:02:10.000 He's a truly unique gem.

01:02:12.000 Yep.

01:02:13.000 I'll tell you that story later.

01:02:15.000 Yeah.

01:02:15.000 I think I know the story.

01:02:16.000 That's why I told you.

01:02:17.000 He cease and desist.

01:02:19.000 Pull out.

01:02:20.000 Pull out, soldier.

01:02:28.000 I never know because I forget sometimes that this is a televised platform and we have to keep some cars for ourselves.

01:02:38.000 I'm not mad at this Buffalo. 0.99

01:02:39.000 I love this stuff.

01:02:40.000 It's pretty good.

01:02:40.000 Do you know this company, it sounds like a commercial because I do commercials for them, but it's real.

01:02:44.000 They were founded in the 1700s.

01:02:46.000 It's the same company.

01:02:47.000 They even operated through prohibition.

01:02:49.000 They had medical weed licenses.

01:02:52.000 Right?

01:02:52.000 For people in California.

01:02:54.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:02:54.000 Okay.

01:02:55.000 You know they had medical weed licenses for people in California.

01:02:58.000 Thank you, though.

01:02:58.000 I know what you're doing.

01:03:00.000 You can try to get my back.

01:03:00.000 For people in California before it was legal, right?

01:03:03.000 But before alcohol was legal, you could get a medical, medicinal alcohol use license.

01:03:08.000 Right.

01:03:09.000 So if you had a dirty doctor during Prohibition, like, the man gets shakes.

01:03:14.000 The only thing that can help him is the whiskey.

01:03:17.000 Is whiskey.

01:03:18.000 Right on some scroll and hand it to you.

01:03:20.000 God, what a racket. 1.00

01:03:22.000 But this fucking company did that all through Prohibition. 1.00

01:03:25.000 So they've been making whiskey for like 300 fucking years. 1.00

01:03:28.000 I love that. 1.00

01:03:29.000 It's bonkers.

01:03:30.000 It's a good story.

01:03:30.000 Well done.

01:03:31.000 I was reading about the Prohibition era, same time period, uh, I read that there was a religious exemption also.

01:03:37.000 Oh, that's hilarious.

01:03:38.000 For wine?

01:03:39.000 For Judaism, if you were a rabbi, you could... 0.89

01:03:42.000 I don't know the way you could disperse alcohol, but there were also no limitations into what it took to become a rabbi.

01:03:48.000 What about Catholicism?

01:03:49.000 Yeah, blood of Christ.

01:03:50.000 Anybody could become a rabbi, though.

01:03:51.000 There were hundreds of rabbis popping up everywhere.

01:03:53.000 Oh, just so you could get a whole of the whiskey?

01:03:55.000 That's incredible.

01:03:56.000 That's a good move.

01:03:57.000 Wow.

01:03:58.000 There's a great podcast.

01:04:00.000 I would turn to a rabbi, but that's a lot of work.

01:04:03.000 Like...

01:04:04.000 I don't think they were working.

01:04:05.000 I think they were just...

01:04:06.000 Okay.

01:04:06.000 Can you be an honorary rabbi like you'd be an honorary doctor?

01:04:10.000 Because to be a rabbi and to go through all of the literature...

01:04:14.000 Would you, is the question.

01:04:16.000 Well, whether you would or not, if you wanted to do it, it's...

01:04:21.000 No moral judgment or ethical judgment. 0.98

01:04:23.000 It's a fucking immense amount of work. 1.00

01:04:26.000 To go from learning Judaism to being a fucking rabbi, that's not an easy path. 1.00

01:04:33.000 They make this shit hard. 1.00

01:04:34.000 That's kind of like in the Terence McKenna book, True Hallucinations, where he is studying... 0.99

01:04:42.000 He goes to Tibet, and he's trying...

01:04:46.000 I'm going to totally butcher this, because I literally read it this morning.

01:04:52.000 He's trying to go to this, like...

01:04:57.000 God, this is so bad.

01:04:59.000 Okay, help me out if you remember what I'm talking about where he's...

01:05:02.000 I haven't read it since 2002. Okay.

01:05:06.000 So, or somewhere in that range when I first started really getting into McKenna.

01:05:09.000 I don't necessarily, I mess that up with Food of the Gods too all the time.

01:05:13.000 Okay, help me out here.

01:05:14.000 So if he's studying Buddhism and he's, but he's really trying to get to this like top level...

01:05:20.000 Was that the I Ching when he was interested in the I Ching? 0.98

01:05:22.000 No, he's trying to get to...

01:05:25.000 It's almost like a heretic, like, cultish area of shamanism that also involves psychedelics, and he had all these preconceived ideas about, like...

01:05:38.000 What they were doing, but it was sorely frowned upon for him to go study with these people, but he needed to learn the language first.

01:05:47.000 Does that make sense?

01:05:49.000 I'm just butchering this.

01:05:50.000 We should delete this later.

01:05:52.000 What was the point though?

01:05:55.000 Well, the point is, he was posing as a student studying one thing, but he really wanted to get to this other thing that had primarily to do with psychedelics and was frowned upon in that religious community.

01:06:10.000 It's bad.

01:06:11.000 No, no, no.

01:06:12.000 He was into that with almost every religious community.

01:06:16.000 And he had a pretty firm belief that all religious experiences initially were the result of psychedelics.

01:06:24.000 And he was big on this theory that he had that his brother actually does almost a better job of explaining called the stoned ape theory.

01:06:34.000 Okay.

01:06:35.000 His theory was that humans became human because of psychedelic mushrooms.

01:06:39.000 Interesting.

01:06:40.000 And that the psychedelic mushrooms are the aliens.

01:06:42.000 And that psychedelic mushrooms exist in other planets and they came over here on asteroids and slammed into the earth because the spores can survive in a vacuum.

01:06:51.000 And so this weird life form that actually breathes air like us.

01:06:55.000 Yeah.

01:06:56.000 And they exist almost instantaneously.

01:06:58.000 Yeah.

01:06:59.000 They're weird.

01:07:00.000 Like to deny that mushrooms are weird, like you definitely haven't done them then.

01:07:05.000 Because if you don't think that might be alien life, like you haven't done them or you haven't done enough.

01:07:10.000 I'm not mad at that.

01:07:11.000 You into psychedelics, Gary?

01:07:13.000 That might be where the aliens...

01:07:14.000 You into psychedelics?

01:07:16.000 So the story about people being, like, created people by aliens that we were talking about earlier.

01:07:22.000 Maybe the aliens are the mushrooms.

01:07:23.000 And that's what McKenna believed. 0.99

01:07:25.000 McKenna had this theory that, and he had a bunch of, like, fucking science behind it. 0.98

01:07:28.000 And the weird, in the way I say fucking science, should show you. 0.98

01:07:32.000 I have no idea what I'm really talking about. 0.96

01:07:36.000 It's a great theory about the reason why humans went from lower hominids to human beings was because we ate mushrooms.

01:07:43.000 Enlightenment.

01:07:44.000 The reason why the human brain doubled over a period of two million years was the regular consumption of psilocybin mushrooms.

01:07:50.000 Because it existed all around us.

01:07:52.000 And that we ate them all the time. 0.99

01:07:53.000 And that eating them all the time literally caused some sort of fucking neural enhancement of the animal. 0.96

01:07:59.000 It's a super controversial theory. 0.95

01:08:01.000 But when you listen to his brother Dennis talk about it, Dennis is, you know, he's alive and well.

01:08:06.000 And a super brilliant guy.

01:08:08.000 And he explained it to me in semi-scientific terms. 0.98

01:08:11.000 I say semi because I don't know what the fuck he really meant. 0.87

01:08:14.000 But the way he explained the development of language and the reasons why psilocybin could actually have enhanced the development of language. 0.97

01:08:22.000 Yeah.

01:08:23.000 It makes sense.

01:08:24.000 I mean, the core of their mission when they went into the Amazon in the 70s With no cell phones, no sat phones, with, I mean, they could, like, there could have been two dozen things that could have killed them on their way to this village,

01:08:42.000 is, like, profound in and of itself.

01:08:45.000 And the dedication to their study, like, is blowing my mind.

01:08:51.000 And it makes me feel like I haven't lived at all.

01:08:54.000 Did you ever hear the La Trujera story where Dennis McKenna talks about eating so many mushrooms that he literally lost all knowledge of who he was and what life was for weeks?

01:09:08.000 Crazy.

01:09:09.000 Whoa.

01:09:09.000 I don't know.

01:09:10.000 I didn't get to that part in the book yet. 0.99

01:09:12.000 Crazy breakthrough slash breakdown slash expansion contraction supernova inside of his brain that left fucking reeling. 0.99

01:09:23.000 For a long period of time. 0.99

01:09:24.000 I don't want to say how long it was.

01:09:25.000 But Terrence described it and he described it like he just went bonkers.

01:09:28.000 He ate so many mushrooms like he crossed over to the other side.

01:09:31.000 And then he came back.

01:09:32.000 I mean, I've never done the hero's dose.

01:09:37.000 Well, that's not true.

01:09:39.000 But I think that there's this part of me that's like...

01:09:42.000 I think he did a god's dose.

01:09:44.000 I don't think he did a hero's dose.

01:09:45.000 I think it was Thor. 0.99

01:09:47.000 The Thor shits on heroes. 1.00

01:09:49.000 Oh my god. 0.99

01:09:50.000 He did the Thor's dose of mushrooms.

01:09:54.000 That's...

01:09:55.000 Yeah, because if he was by himself, would he have remembered to eat?

01:09:58.000 Would he have remembered to go to the bathroom?

01:10:00.000 Would he have remembered to take showers?

01:10:02.000 Did he have people with him?

01:10:03.000 Who knows? 0.97

01:10:04.000 I'd have to review the story, but he's so fucking smart. 0.84

01:10:09.000 It's confusing. 0.91

01:10:10.000 He's one of those dudes, you talk to him, you're like, how do you remember all this stuff?

01:10:14.000 He would talk to me about the actual origins for speech and why it could have been connected to psilocybin and the impact that psilocybin has on the brain.

01:10:23.000 And then it's this weird thing.

01:10:25.000 That's a comforting thought, though.

01:10:26.000 The man has done so many drugs that he's still on top of his intellect.

01:10:31.000 He's so easy to talk to.

01:10:32.000 That's really cool.

01:10:33.000 He's a super, super, super nice guy, too.

01:10:35.000 But it's almost like there's a key slot in our brain for mushrooms.

01:10:39.000 It's like, oh, here you go.

01:10:40.000 Clunk.

01:10:41.000 It just fits right in.

01:10:42.000 It just locks right in place.

01:10:44.000 And it might be the reason why we are who we are.

01:10:46.000 And somewhere along the line, we forgot.

01:10:48.000 You know, I've definitely...

01:10:50.000 Okay, if this isn't okay to say on the air, we can take it.

01:10:53.000 It's totally okay to say.

01:10:54.000 But I've microdosed, you know, after tours.

01:10:56.000 Who are you?

01:10:57.000 I know!

01:10:58.000 I don't know why I just decided to choose that this was the time to not talk about mushrooms.

01:11:06.000 But, like, when I was sad after tours, like, I don't know, Gary, if you get like this, but I'd have this, like, come down of, like, depression for a couple weeks after the road.

01:11:15.000 And, like, there's that initial excitement to be home, but then your body isn't used to the non-momentum.

01:11:21.000 Or you're, like, you know, like the train stopped, but you kind of keep going another, you know, 100 yards or 500 yards or whatever.

01:11:27.000 And I would get really sad.

01:11:30.000 And I'd come home and sort of feel, like...

01:11:32.000 I didn't know how to come back to my reality.

01:11:36.000 It's lonely.

01:11:37.000 It's kind of, you know, whatever.

01:11:39.000 But I would microdose a little bit, and it would just kind of get me out of my depression.

01:11:43.000 The tiniest bit.

01:11:44.000 I wouldn't even trip.

01:11:45.000 I would just take a little bit of, you know...

01:11:48.000 And I think there's...

01:11:49.000 Obviously, like, this is nothing new.

01:11:51.000 I know dozens of people are doing that now.

01:11:53.000 But it's something that I, like, I think is really...

01:11:59.000 Profound and helpful has been in my life.

01:12:01.000 Yeah, a lot of people will agree with you.

01:12:03.000 It's so funny that I thought, after all we've been talking about, this is the moment where I'm going to get a phone call from the feds.

01:12:11.000 I think I'm drunk.

01:12:13.000 Well, we definitely had a little bit to drink.

01:12:15.000 I'm happy with it.

01:12:16.000 You know, that's on the ballot to make the decriminalized mushrooms.

01:12:19.000 Right, I know.

01:12:20.000 I don't know much about it.

01:12:22.000 You're trying to push it through, and thanks to people like MAPS, that organization run by Rick Doblin is doing all this crazy work to try to show the benefits of psychedelics, particularly with MDMA and soldiers who have PTSD. MDMA and soldiers?

01:12:40.000 Yes, MDMA and people, victims of violence, victims of auto accidents, a really common one for PTSD. A lot of people get in auto accidents and have that.

01:12:49.000 Yeah.

01:12:49.000 And they're doing this work with PTSD and MDMA and they're trying to show like this is a legitimate therapy that's probably like highly effective and we should look at it like that instead of looking at like some illegal drug that's only terrible.

01:13:04.000 Right.

01:13:04.000 Well, you've got pharmaceutical companies that are gonna want their take on it.

01:13:09.000 That's the problem is that they have influence. 1.00

01:13:12.000 The problem is not that they exist, because they make a bunch of amazing shit. 0.99

01:13:17.000 Pharmaceutical drug companies make amazing shit, and it keeps a lot of people alive and keeps a lot of people healthy. 0.99

01:13:22.000 But they also are invested in making tremendous amounts of money. 0.99

01:13:27.000 Yeah, they're like cell phones.

01:13:28.000 If they find a threat to that money, Then they move in politically and they try to stop that threat and they'll hold back certain drugs from being turned legal that are really beneficial that might cut into their profit margin.

01:13:41.000 Well, I briefly told you about Saraset, the sleep therapy I did.

01:13:46.000 Yeah, tell me more about that.

01:13:47.000 Oh my god.

01:13:49.000 So I have had insomnia for over a decade.

01:13:54.000 Most months I could look back and tell you what days, I could count on one hand, that I slept.

01:14:00.000 Like eight hours.

01:14:01.000 So I would fall asleep and then wake up three hours later and just kind of deal with the night.

01:14:07.000 And in and out.

01:14:08.000 And it is and was a really tough way to live, you know?

01:14:13.000 It sort of rules your world.

01:14:16.000 A really good friend of mine, my friend Jake, I met with him in December and he said, I really think you should try this.

01:14:26.000 This program, it's called Saraset, and what it is is he helped me obtain a mobile device for my house, but they have facilities all over the country.

01:14:37.000 And what it is is these sensors are—you wear this headband, and it has sensors on your frontal and temporal lobes, and it comes with a tablet that is basically— Bouncing sound waves off of your skull.

01:14:52.000 So you listen to these series of tones that are like...

01:14:55.000 There's no order to it.

01:14:59.000 And it is sort of measuring the brainwave activity inside your skull and then...

01:15:08.000 Evening it out, right or left brain.

01:15:11.000 It sounds so crazy.

01:15:12.000 It sounds so crazy.

01:15:14.000 All I can tell you is that I dedicated myself to it for five weeks.

01:15:18.000 You don't have any alcohol, you don't have any marijuana, not even CBD. Yeah, you feel me?

01:15:23.000 Can you do it?

01:15:24.000 I know you can.

01:15:25.000 You do your Sober October.

01:15:26.000 Yes.

01:15:27.000 I can do it.

01:15:29.000 The first two weeks were horrible.

01:15:32.000 The first two weeks were like, it got worse before it got better.

01:15:35.000 But I can tell you right now, for the first time in over a decade, I'm sleeping through the night.

01:15:40.000 Whoa.

01:15:41.000 Like, I never was.

01:15:42.000 I mean, obviously, if I'm partying with my friends, I'm not going to sleep through the night.

01:15:46.000 So it did it.

01:15:47.000 It's so different.

01:15:48.000 My life is...

01:15:49.000 And I have a different...

01:15:53.000 My anxiety is kind of chilled out.

01:15:57.000 Because of sleep.

01:15:59.000 That makes sense.

01:15:59.000 You're recovering better.

01:16:01.000 So something I learned through Saraset was that I talked to this woman in Indianapolis that was helping me with the program and she was like, have you had any significant head injuries?

01:16:12.000 Which I have. 0.96

01:16:13.000 I had a jet ski accident when I was 22 and I got fucked up. 0.84

01:16:16.000 I got concussed and I had two points of impact. 0.95

01:16:18.000 It was really bad.

01:16:21.000 And We're good to go.

01:16:41.000 It's been great.

01:16:42.000 That's amazing.

01:16:43.000 And I'm really grateful that I had a friend who was looking out for me to help me with it because, I mean, I was just kind of getting used to not sleeping, you know, like regularly.

01:16:52.000 There's a woman who used to fight for the UFC. Her name is Kat Zingano.

01:16:54.000 She's a badass chick from San Diego. 1.00

01:16:57.000 And she had a fight with Amanda Nunes, who's the UFC current Bantamweight champion. 0.92

01:17:03.000 And this was before she was a champion, and Kat actually wound up winning the fight, but she got battered in the first round, like really bad. 1.00

01:17:10.000 And her brain was fucked up for a long time after that.

01:17:13.000 Like she had like significant imbalances in her hormone levels, and it was like legitimate brain damage. 0.99

01:17:19.000 Like she had issues to the way her brain got rocked so hard in the first round.

01:17:23.000 And she actually came back and stopped Amanda Nunes, which is crazy.

01:17:27.000 Considering how much damage she had taken in that first round, but she went to this place in San Diego that treats soldiers. 0.69

01:17:32.000 And I can't remember the name of the place.

01:17:33.000 Do you remember the name of that place, Jamie?

01:17:35.000 And they used something similar where there was magnets, like very, very powerful magnets.

01:17:42.000 And through some way it stimulates the areas of the brain that's been damaged and it regenerates the tissue.

01:17:48.000 Yeah.

01:17:49.000 Or regenerates the...

01:17:50.000 You know, the use of that part of the brain.

01:17:53.000 I don't understand.

01:17:53.000 I might be talking nonsense.

01:17:54.000 I don't understand it either, but, like, you know, sound is vibration.

01:17:57.000 So it's doing something.

01:17:59.000 I mean, all I can say is that, like, I feel a dramatic difference.

01:18:04.000 That's amazing.

01:18:04.000 That's so nice to hear.

01:18:06.000 It's crazy, yeah.

01:18:06.000 How does someone, and this is not an ad.

01:18:08.000 It's not.

01:18:09.000 I'm not getting paid for this.

01:18:10.000 How does someone find out about this?

01:18:12.000 What's the website?

01:18:13.000 You could just probably Google Cereset.

01:18:16.000 It's C-E-R-E-S-E-T. And they have facilities that are kind of popping up all over the place. 0.97

01:18:21.000 There's another company.

01:18:22.000 I'm not sure what they're called.

01:18:24.000 Is this a place you went to?

01:18:25.000 Is this something you brought to your house?

01:18:26.000 No, this is a really good friend of mine who was just looking out for me and knew how bad my insomnia was.

01:18:32.000 And he had a similar version of insomnia.

01:18:35.000 And everybody's different.

01:18:36.000 You know, everybody's got their...

01:18:37.000 Like, some people can stay awake all night.

01:18:39.000 For real.

01:18:40.000 How long before our robot overlords take control of our brains and relieve us from all the pain and suffering that it is to be human?

01:18:48.000 We're in headgear!

01:18:50.000 I was worried I was going to turn into a cyborg.

01:18:52.000 I know!

01:18:53.000 Dude, how long?

01:18:54.000 Now I am bionic.

01:18:56.000 The more I think about aliens, the more I think they're us in the future.

01:18:59.000 That's one of the theories that has always been bounced around.

01:19:01.000 Because if you look at what a human looks like versus what a gorilla looks like, if you keep going with that, it'll be some weird skinny thing that doesn't need any muscles and has a big giant head that controls space and time around it.

01:19:13.000 That's probably what we're turning into, and we're gonna do it through electronics.

01:19:17.000 We're gonna introduce something into our brain, whether it's that Elon Musk thing they're trying to do where they're drilling holes and putting wires in your brain.

01:19:26.000 Neuralink.

01:19:27.000 You're gonna have, like, super fucking accelerated ability to access information. 0.86

01:19:31.000 It'll be always at the tip of your fingers, I'm guessing, you know, eventually. 0.96

01:19:37.000 How long before we're robots?

01:19:39.000 We already are.

01:19:40.000 We're gonna give up.

01:19:41.000 It's already like...

01:19:43.000 I don't know.

01:19:44.000 It's just going to give you love 24-7 through an IV drip, and you're going to take it over real life.

01:19:48.000 I mean, you don't think this is a simulation right now?

01:19:51.000 It might be.

01:19:52.000 It might be.

01:19:53.000 It might be.

01:19:54.000 Or it might not be.

01:19:55.000 And that's the problem.

01:19:56.000 The problem is it's so weird, it might as well be a simulation.

01:19:59.000 It's so bonkers, it might as well be a simulation.

01:20:03.000 It is.

01:20:04.000 It's weird. 0.98

01:20:04.000 We're watching some political Game of Thrones type shit playing out on television. 0.98

01:20:09.000 That's a scary way to put it. 0.99

01:20:10.000 It's fascinating.

01:20:11.000 It is.

01:20:11.000 It's fascinating.

01:20:13.000 Yeah.

01:20:15.000 Now what do we do?

01:20:15.000 What do we do now?

01:20:17.000 It's so weird.

01:20:18.000 It's so weird.

01:20:20.000 I, um, yeah.

01:20:24.000 Every once in a while I wake up and I'm like, I think I just woke up in a different dimension.

01:20:28.000 Like, I know that sounds crazy.

01:20:31.000 It doesn't sound crazy though.

01:20:33.000 Some of this stuff is so overwhelming, the way we're changing so quickly.

01:20:39.000 Yeah.

01:20:40.000 And the information that's coming at us that I don't know if I'm shutting down or if I'm just going to another place.

01:20:46.000 We are currently alive and conscious on a raft headed to a waterfall.

01:20:51.000 Cool.

01:20:52.000 That's what's going on. 1.00

01:20:53.000 We're waking up as this is happening going, holy shit. 0.99

01:20:56.000 Great. 1.00

01:20:57.000 What the fuck is happening? 0.99

01:20:58.000 What's changing so good? 0.99

01:20:59.000 Quickly. 0.99

01:21:00.000 We're going 25 miles an hour straight towards a goddamn waterfall. 1.00

01:21:04.000 It's definitely going to kill us. 0.99

01:21:06.000 You know what, though?

01:21:07.000 I don't...

01:21:08.000 Gary, how are you doing?

01:21:11.000 Gary's empty.

01:21:11.000 We need to get Gary's refill.

01:21:13.000 Let's get a refill.

01:21:14.000 I could probably choose to pee.

01:21:17.000 Does anyone have to pee?

01:21:18.000 Yeah, you can go pee.

01:21:19.000 Can I? Yeah, let's go pee.

01:21:21.000 Gary and I will see nice things about you.

01:21:23.000 Oh, God, I hope so.

01:21:24.000 Yeah, we're only about positivity these days.

01:21:26.000 Oh, this is...

01:21:27.000 After this conversation, we're going to try to figure out some sort of a national mantra.

01:21:32.000 Keep it positive, people.

01:21:33.000 We should probably play another song before some of us get too drunk. 1.00

01:21:37.000 Fuck yeah. 1.00

01:21:37.000 You? 1.00

01:21:38.000 You're fine.

01:21:38.000 He wants to go mezcal.

01:21:40.000 Do I? No, I don't know if I want to.

01:21:43.000 Mezcal's dangerous. 1.00

01:21:44.000 Do you want to open up this stuff?

01:21:45.000 This is the stuff that Suzanne brought.

01:21:47.000 Four Roses, Small Batch.

01:21:50.000 Yeah, I'm up for that.

01:21:51.000 If you're up for that, please hand me your glass, kind sir.

01:21:55.000 Oh, thank you, kind sir.

01:21:58.000 Jamie, we need to get some sort of...

01:22:01.000 Glasses made out of animal horns. 1.00

01:22:04.000 Up in this bitch. 1.00

01:22:05.000 Makes it not a glass, though. 1.00

01:22:07.000 Whatever, bro.

01:22:09.000 Some's gotta be technical.

01:22:11.000 I was thinking glasses like... 1.00

01:22:14.000 Jamie's all fucking technical and shit. 0.99

01:22:21.000 You guys cool if I doodle a little bit? 0.99

01:22:24.000 Dude, please do.

01:22:25.000 Please do.

01:22:53.000 I owe you that guitar.

01:22:54.000 I told you.

01:22:55.000 But they only made them in yellow.

01:22:58.000 Dude, I don't care what color any guitar you want to bring here is.

01:23:01.000 It could be bright pink. 0.99

01:23:02.000 I'll put that motherfucker on the wall right next to Richard Pryor. 0.99

01:23:05.000 Oh yeah? 1.00

01:23:06.000 Right there.

01:23:06.000 Pow!

01:23:07.000 Bam! 0.98

01:23:08.000 Woo! 0.99

01:23:09.000 That'd be nice.

01:23:10.000 Let's make it happen.

01:23:12.000 I got one for you.

01:23:14.000 Did I ever tell you a story about my friend Phil Hartman?

01:23:18.000 When he was a kid, he was a roadie for Jimi Hendrix for one night.

01:23:24.000 He was like, whatever you would call it, a grip, someone who's on the staff.

01:23:28.000 Yeah, stage hand.

01:23:32.000 And he was a teenager.

01:23:34.000 And Hendrix is at the Whiskey. 0.97

01:23:37.000 And he's there putting his hands on the speakers, making sure they don't fall over, because they were kind of perilously close to the edge, and Hendrix is just fucking going off.

01:23:47.000 He was just going off right in front of him. 0.78

01:23:53.000 Right in front of him.

01:23:55.000 Right in front of him.

01:23:56.000 And he said, dude, he goes, he was feet away from me.

01:23:59.000 I could have touched him.

01:24:00.000 Hendrix.

01:24:01.000 Phil Hartman told me, me and Phil Hartman got high a couple times when we did news radio together.

01:24:08.000 It was one of the only couple of times that I got high during that era.

01:24:14.000 It wasn't much.

01:24:15.000 He got high.

01:24:16.000 He got high a lot.

01:24:17.000 As a matter of fact, I might not have even gotten high.

01:24:19.000 I definitely got drunk.

01:24:20.000 Anyway, he was telling me about when he was a teenager that he worked with Jimi Hendrix.

01:24:25.000 He was a stage tech at the Whiskey.

01:24:29.000 Wait, so how old was Phil then?

01:24:31.000 When I met him, I want to say he was 46. When I met him, coming off of Saturday Night Live.

01:24:38.000 So like 90s?

01:24:39.000 94 is when I met him.

01:24:41.000 Okay.

01:24:41.000 And I want to say he was like late 40s.

01:24:43.000 So when he was a teenager...

01:24:45.000 Jimmy died in late 70s, right?

01:24:47.000 He died in 1970, I think, right?

01:24:48.000 Oh, early 70s.

01:24:50.000 70s, straight up.

01:24:51.000 So, how old did Phil have?

01:24:53.000 So, when I met Phil, it was 94. That was 24 years later.

01:24:57.000 Does that make sense?

01:24:58.000 If he was like 19 at the time or something like that?

01:25:01.000 Wow.

01:25:02.000 So, anyway, he's a kid.

01:25:03.000 And Hendrix is right in front of him.

01:25:05.000 And his job is to make sure that the speaker doesn't fall into the crowd.

01:25:08.000 So he's standing there, and he's looking up at the stage. 0.97

01:25:11.000 He's standing in front of the stage, and fucking Jimi Hendrix is right in front of him in his prime. 0.96

01:25:15.000 You know, when everything is going down, you couldn't believe he was real. 0.97

01:25:18.000 You couldn't believe he was standing right in front of you.

01:25:20.000 Like, a Hendrix didn't exist before.

01:25:22.000 There was no pre-Hendrix.

01:25:24.000 There was just Hendrix.

01:25:25.000 And everything else is like...

01:25:27.000 You read about Eric Clapton, like Eric Clapton's quotes about seeing Hendrix play for the very first time.

01:25:33.000 It's fascinating. 0.93

01:25:34.000 Because you realize, like, with his top-of-the-food-chain guitarist, Go to see Hendrix and they go, what the fuck are we doing?

01:25:41.000 What are we doing? 0.50

01:25:43.000 What is he doing? 0.99

01:25:44.000 What the fuck is happening here? 0.99

01:25:46.000 And then Phil said it was happening right in front of him. 0.99

01:25:49.000 Phil would dabble in music for fun. 0.99

01:25:52.000 He really enjoyed playing guitar and fucking around. 0.97

01:25:54.000 So for him to be a kid and to be standing right in front of Hendrix performing was like, whoa. 0.97

01:26:00.000 Did he know at the time?

01:26:03.000 Did he say he knew at the time that that was like...

01:26:05.000 Well, he was a fan at the time, but I guess it has to be like 69 or 70, whenever that day was.

01:26:13.000 What was Jimmy's reign before he was playing clubs and then playing to the magnitude that he did?

01:26:21.000 That's a good question.

01:26:24.000 I'm not sure exactly.

01:26:25.000 I know he just made records for a handful of years.

01:26:27.000 Before really getting out there and playing live?

01:26:31.000 I think playing live and stuff, it was like, he was doing like the chilling circuit, playing with the Isley brothers and playing with people like Little Richard, being like the backup guitar.

01:26:39.000 Right on, okay.

01:26:40.000 And they didn't like him doing all that fancy playing with his teeth and behind his head.

01:26:44.000 That's so funny. 1.00

01:26:44.000 Bullshit, so they fired him. 1.00

01:26:45.000 Quit drawing attention to yourself. 1.00

01:26:47.000 Wow, that's amazing.

01:26:49.000 Nah, don't be great on my stage, bro. 1.00

01:26:51.000 Yeah, fuck. 1.00

01:26:52.000 I'm going somewhere else with that. 0.99

01:26:53.000 There's some sounds, you know, like one of my favorite influences of Jimi Hendrix is Steve Ray Vaughn.

01:27:00.000 One of my absolute favorites because he managed to mimic Jimi Hendrix in a tribute way, but also make it kind of his own. 0.81

01:27:09.000 Like he did some shit that was clearly, he had a sound. 0.95

01:27:12.000 Steve Ray Vaughn had a sound. 0.99

01:27:13.000 Yeah.

01:27:14.000 But he was a clear Jimi Hendrix fan.

01:27:16.000 Yeah.

01:27:17.000 Like, a super fan.

01:27:18.000 Like, there was a giant influence of him, you could tell.

01:27:20.000 Yeah.

01:27:20.000 But yet he was different.

01:27:21.000 Like, it wasn't offensive. 0.99

01:27:23.000 Like, when he did Voodoo Child, Steve Ray Vaughn's Voodoo Child is fucking slamming. 0.97

01:27:27.000 Have you ever heard it? 0.98

01:27:28.000 Yeah.

01:27:30.000 It's amazing.

01:27:32.000 Stevie Ray Vaughan's Voodoo Child is amazing. 0.98

01:27:34.000 It's not better, but it's fucking amazing. 0.95

01:27:37.000 It's a Stevie Ray Vaughan almost like a tribute in a way. 0.99

01:27:42.000 But it's got fucking force behind it. 0.98

01:27:46.000 It's good. 0.99

01:27:48.000 It's another great workout song.

01:27:51.000 I think you're starting a whole playlist for everybody right now.

01:27:54.000 Voodoo Child with Sammy Ray.

01:27:56.000 Yeah.

01:27:58.000 Man.

01:27:59.000 Oh, did someone mix it together?

01:28:01.000 There's a video on YouTube with both of them back to back.

01:28:03.000 Oh, wow!

01:28:05.000 That's too much.

01:28:06.000 I can't take it!

01:28:08.000 Or I really might mix them together, I think.

01:28:10.000 I don't know. 0.99

01:28:10.000 Damn. 0.99

01:28:11.000 Wow. 1.00

01:28:12.000 Well, that's another guy.

01:28:13.000 There wasn't a Stevie Ray Vaughan before Stevie Ray Vaughan.

01:28:16.000 He's a unique human.

01:28:18.000 He had a very, very unique sound.

01:28:23.000 And cactus shirt, let's be honest.

01:28:26.000 He's just all around dope.

01:28:27.000 I would wear that.

01:28:28.000 I've seen this video multiple times for over 20-something years.

01:28:32.000 I never noticed the cactus.

01:28:33.000 Gary, come on.

01:28:35.000 You're a very fashionable man.

01:28:37.000 Is he from Austin?

01:28:38.000 Where's he from?

01:28:39.000 Oak Cliff, Dallas, Texas.

01:28:41.000 Dallas.

01:28:42.000 Dallas.

01:28:44.000 Beautiful. 1.00

01:28:45.000 Goddamn, a lot of good shit comes out of Texas. 1.00

01:28:47.000 Sure does. 1.00

01:28:48.000 Freedom.

01:28:49.000 Freedom.

01:28:50.000 Chaos.

01:28:51.000 It's a great spot.

01:28:52.000 It's all there. 0.99

01:28:53.000 Well, they took a good chunk of the fucking country and claimed it as... 0.99

01:28:56.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:28:58.000 There's not a lot going on.

01:29:00.000 I have a love-hate relationship with Texas.

01:29:02.000 I don't want to say hate, but it's...

01:29:03.000 Hold on.

01:29:05.000 It's so hot.

01:29:06.000 It gets too hot.

01:29:07.000 Let's talk about this hate real quick.

01:29:08.000 Too hot.

01:29:09.000 It's too hot, Gary.

01:29:10.000 But that's why it's not overwhelmed with people.

01:29:12.000 Can we talk about that?

01:29:12.000 I'm not going to get political.

01:29:14.000 I'm just, like, as a texture.

01:29:17.000 That's too hot.

01:29:18.000 It's too hot.

01:29:20.000 That too hot is a security system to keep too many people from moving in. 0.99

01:29:24.000 For fuck's sake. 0.97

01:29:24.000 I mean, you can't even go outside. 0.97

01:29:26.000 That's why it's so good.

01:29:27.000 It's perfect.

01:29:28.000 If you could take that sauna heat, just condition yourself.

01:29:33.000 Sure.

01:29:33.000 Get a sauna in your house and get used to living in Dallas.

01:29:36.000 Now it's romantic.

01:29:37.000 I love it.

01:29:38.000 That's great.

01:29:38.000 I love it there.

01:29:39.000 I love doing stand-up there.

01:29:41.000 You're their main spot.

01:29:42.000 That's your main hub.

01:29:43.000 Yeah, Texas.

01:29:43.000 That's the main home.

01:29:45.000 Austin, Texas is one of the best places on the planet Earth.

01:29:48.000 And everybody knows it now, unfortunately.

01:29:49.000 You get on the highway, you're like, oh, the word got out.

01:29:52.000 Well, yeah, the traffic's no fun there. 0.97

01:29:56.000 Some people say, like, Houston fucked Austin. 0.98

01:30:00.000 So you mean Houston fucked Dallas? 1.00

01:30:03.000 Yeah, Houston fucked Dallas and made Austin. 1.00

01:30:06.000 That's what I should say. 0.99

01:30:07.000 That's what they say?

01:30:08.000 Yeah, I've heard that before.

01:30:11.000 Austin is a weird spot, right?

01:30:13.000 It's like Austin is somehow or another.

01:30:15.000 It's not...

01:30:15.000 It's not as watered down as the last one.

01:30:17.000 But it's in between.

01:30:19.000 There's the desert out west, and there's New Orleans and Louisiana.

01:30:23.000 But Austin is particularly artistic in some weird way.

01:30:25.000 Not entirely, but there's a giant chunk of artists out of Austin.

01:30:29.000 Fierce artists.

01:30:30.000 It's weird.

01:30:31.000 There's a lot of...

01:30:32.000 In Austin, there's a lot of... 0.99

01:30:35.000 Focus on independence and a lot of like rewarding independent artists and independent musicians and appreciating like real shit, right? 0.98

01:30:45.000 Austin, that's one of the things about Austin. 0.99

01:30:47.000 It's like if a hundred percent more than I think any other city in the country favors real shit. 0.99

01:30:53.000 It favors authentic food, authentic music. 0.99

01:30:57.000 It's a different kind of town.

01:30:59.000 Oh, yeah.

01:31:00.000 Oh, definitely.

01:31:01.000 Yeah, it's a different kind of town. 0.99

01:31:02.000 They're not buying the normal bullshit there in bulk. 0.98

01:31:06.000 It's a different spot, you know, and I hate to say it because they'll get swarmed. 0.95

01:31:09.000 Yeah, how do you feel about, like, what's happened to it since people, like, found out about it?

01:31:17.000 How do I feel about it?

01:31:18.000 Yeah.

01:31:19.000 I live a few miles away.

01:31:22.000 Yeah, that's good.

01:31:23.000 That's good.

01:31:23.000 So you're not in the belly of the beast.

01:31:25.000 Nah, you know, but I love it.

01:31:28.000 I grew up there.

01:31:29.000 I was a teenager there, running those streets, and I ran into the same faces every day for 15 years.

01:31:34.000 It's nice to see somebody else.

01:31:36.000 Yeah.

01:31:36.000 You know what I mean?

01:31:37.000 And for those young musicians out there who are You don't have to deal with the bucket and playing out there for tips and have these people from all over the place come in.

01:31:46.000 It almost feels kind of global now.

01:31:49.000 Did you do that?

01:31:50.000 Did you play with a bucket in front of you?

01:31:52.000 Yeah.

01:31:53.000 You did?

01:31:53.000 You were a busker?

01:31:55.000 That's so cool.

01:31:56.000 Is that what it's called?

01:31:58.000 That's the official term?

01:31:59.000 Like in clubs, like in bars or whatever.

01:32:01.000 You hang out and you play for four hours.

01:32:04.000 What?

01:32:04.000 Sometimes you play a bunch and then you make six dollars.

01:32:09.000 Yeah.

01:32:10.000 Between four people. 1.00

01:32:11.000 Damn. 1.00

01:32:12.000 Goddamn. 1.00

01:32:13.000 What year are we talking when this was happening? 0.98

01:32:15.000 93. 98 through 2010. That's amazing.

01:32:23.000 Really?

01:32:24.000 When did things happen for you?

01:32:25.000 When did things legitimately happen?

01:32:27.000 2010. 2010. Yeah, I got a call up from Eric Clapton and said, come play my festival.

01:32:33.000 And it kind of changed my whole life. 0.99

01:32:34.000 Holy shit. 1.00

01:32:35.000 Holy shit. 1.00

01:32:37.000 Yeah, man. 1.00

01:32:38.000 So, yeah, man.

01:32:40.000 Burning candles, you know what I mean?

01:32:42.000 Yeah.

01:32:43.000 Eric Clapton.

01:32:44.000 So I don't mind the folks coming through.

01:32:49.000 You know what I mean? 0.98

01:32:49.000 I feel like if you're intimidated, somebody's gonna come take your spot and step your fucking game up. 0.98

01:32:56.000 That's how I feel. 0.99

01:32:58.000 It's happening everywhere.

01:33:00.000 It's like people coming in and finding out about a new spot.

01:33:05.000 I like how much you share.

01:33:05.000 You're really good at your generous man.

01:33:10.000 What do you mean?

01:33:10.000 Like, I feel like you have this ability to, like when you were talking about, you know, tuning into the radio, like you're a good listener.

01:33:17.000 That's what that means, you know, as a musician.

01:33:19.000 Well, I was a middle child, so it's never been about me.

01:33:22.000 Ah, that's perfect. 0.99

01:33:27.000 Damn, that's good. 0.99

01:33:28.000 Yeah, that's perfect. 0.99

01:33:29.000 That's so good.

01:33:30.000 Middle childs have a chip.

01:33:31.000 No, but I mean, like, that's a really positive way to look at rapid change, like a city like Austin that, you know, you could say it's being inundated with just, like, this huge volume of people coming in and it makes your life whatever, but instead you're like,

01:33:47.000 no, come on in.

01:33:48.000 Like, that's a good attitude.

01:33:49.000 I salute that.

01:33:50.000 But it's different.

01:33:51.000 You know, I'm a little bit more comfortable now and I'm able to stay out of the madness.

01:33:55.000 Yeah.

01:33:55.000 That's a great attitude for all aspects of life.

01:33:59.000 The idea that someone's going to take your spot, they're not going to take your spot.

01:34:04.000 That's not what's happening.

01:34:06.000 Right, right, right.

01:34:06.000 Well, you know what I mean.

01:34:08.000 I think we're conditioned to feel that way, though, that someone's going to take your spot, and that's a fucked up way to live. 0.98

01:34:14.000 You're just scared. 0.94

01:34:16.000 I think for a long time, people really dealt with scarcity.

01:34:20.000 Yeah.

01:34:20.000 You know, you look back at people that lived in like the 1920s and 30s, they weighed like 110 pounds.

01:34:24.000 Like all the men, little tiny men. 0.90

01:34:27.000 Like everybody was barely eating.

01:34:29.000 They didn't work out.

01:34:29.000 They were barely eating.

01:34:31.000 They worked.

01:34:31.000 You know, people were like hoping they didn't starve to death.

01:34:34.000 Right.

01:34:34.000 You know, through the 20s, like the roaring 20s and then the depression.

01:34:39.000 I mean, what?

01:34:40.000 You know, people starved to death.

01:34:42.000 It was like a regular occurrence.

01:34:43.000 And there's parts of the world that that's happening right now.

01:34:46.000 Yeah.

01:34:46.000 We are a weird animal.

01:34:48.000 Yeah.

01:34:49.000 We really are.

01:34:50.000 Yeah.

01:34:51.000 And what we are today is just so much different than what we used to be.

01:34:55.000 Like, at lightning speed.

01:34:57.000 Mm-hmm.

01:34:58.000 Isn't it funny to think about, like, the gym and all of the intricacies?

01:35:04.000 You heard me.

01:35:04.000 Politics.

01:35:05.000 Can't even talk.

01:35:06.000 But no, no, no.

01:35:08.000 Like to like our physicality and how we tailor our bodies and workouts.

01:35:12.000 And then just what you said, like 1910 and people are weighing 110 pounds and like, you know, they're just eating, trying to get enough money to eat.

01:35:20.000 And then like we have these lifestyles of like to a science, our exercise and our diets. 0.83

01:35:26.000 And it's fucking fascinating. 0.68

01:35:28.000 Yeah, we're just trying. 0.96

01:35:29.000 But also people around the world are still living like that.

01:35:32.000 We're trying to not eat too much.

01:35:34.000 Yeah.

01:35:35.000 That's what we're trying to do.

01:35:36.000 They're trying to stay alive.

01:35:37.000 We're trying to not eat too much.

01:35:38.000 Oh my god, it's so hard.

01:35:40.000 Crazy.

01:35:41.000 No, I mean, like, let's take a minute.

01:35:44.000 It's so funny.

01:35:45.000 But you know how hard it is to not eat?

01:35:48.000 How is it hard to not do a thing?

01:35:51.000 That doesn't even make sense.

01:35:52.000 It's hard to do things.

01:35:53.000 Yeah.

01:35:53.000 It might be hard mentally to not do a thing.

01:35:55.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:35:56.000 That mental struggle is real as fuck though, right? 0.98

01:35:59.000 Yeah, I think there's like a weird line of being like conscious of that and then feeling worthy of your own lifestyle and your own life. 0.98

01:36:07.000 That's where your weird robot overlords helmet thing comes in place.

01:36:12.000 Yeah! 1.00

01:36:13.000 Because that shit keeps me up at night! 1.00

01:36:15.000 Recharges your brain, fixes you, straightens your own. 1.00

01:36:17.000 Calm the fuck down, Suzanne. 1.00

01:36:19.000 Calm the fuck down. 0.99

01:36:20.000 Become one with the vibration, Suzanne. 0.99

01:36:23.000 I think I am.

01:36:24.000 There's no reason to be a rebel.

01:36:27.000 I don't know about that.

01:36:28.000 Stay with us.

01:36:28.000 Stay tuned.

01:36:29.000 I'm ready to change some shit. 0.99

01:36:33.000 The narrative. 0.99

01:36:34.000 I don't like it.

01:36:35.000 What narrative do you not like?

01:36:39.000 You know, music industry stuff, I think I've been working really hard to go against the grain of...

01:36:47.000 Like, right now I'm self-released.

01:36:49.000 Like, I don't have a record company, and I'm self-funded, and it's really hard.

01:36:53.000 But it's also really gratifying at the same time, because, you know, right now, since I left Honey Honey, you know, like, Honey Honey's kind of on ice for, you know...

01:37:06.000 Sort of.

01:37:07.000 Yeah, you didn't nuke the territory.

01:37:09.000 No.

01:37:10.000 You just moved out of the building.

01:37:10.000 Yeah, well, we're figuring it out, you know?

01:37:14.000 Well said.

01:37:15.000 Well said.

01:37:21.000 But, you know, the battle is getting ahead, you know, and being a woman and being in my 30s and not like, you know, no one wants to hop on board until they know it's working.

01:37:37.000 Even though I made this incredible record and it's so well received and then folks are like, yeah, well, you know, call us when it's when it's working.

01:37:44.000 Rather than, like, get in now.

01:37:46.000 Right.

01:37:47.000 And, you know, I feel, I don't feel discouraged by that.

01:37:50.000 I feel informed.

01:37:52.000 But that's also a business move, you know, because it is, we're taking art and turning it into commerce.

01:37:59.000 And no one wants to bet on a horse that's not winning yet, you know?

01:38:04.000 And, you know, I'm pretty, I feel pretty good about what I'm doing.

01:38:07.000 I don't think I should be doing something else.

01:38:11.000 But it's still a struggle.

01:38:12.000 So when I said I want to change the narrative, it's sort of like I want to kind of prove to myself and others that you can do it.

01:38:23.000 You find a way.

01:38:25.000 And it's really hard.

01:38:26.000 But you can do it.

01:38:28.000 And you get help from your friends.

01:38:29.000 This is so cool to be here with you guys.

01:38:32.000 I don't know if I could really convey that enough, that this is a huge help to what I'm trying to do right now.

01:38:40.000 But yeah, also, this is the thing that keeps me up at night, of being like, oh my god, this is hard.

01:38:46.000 But at the same time, you know, the music industry, I'll just speak to that right now, it's tough.

01:38:54.000 Well, it seems to me, as an outsider who has no business in the music business, when I look at it, I feel like it's a big ship that had to cut parts of itself off.

01:39:07.000 And now it's a smaller ship.

01:39:08.000 And now it's like, whoa!

01:39:10.000 It's still a pretty big ship, but it's not what it used to be.

01:39:13.000 The money doesn't come in anymore in the form of record sales.

01:39:16.000 So it's entrenched its tentacles deeper into the industry and other things like merchandise and live shows and all these different things to stay alive.

01:39:24.000 And maybe it helps, and maybe it doesn't.

01:39:26.000 It depends entirely upon the artist. 0.88

01:39:28.000 But what you're doing at your point in your life where you're like, look, this isn't fucking working.

01:39:33.000 What do I need to do?

01:39:36.000 Being attached to this group's not doing it.

01:39:37.000 Being attached to that group's not doing it. 0.99

01:39:39.000 What the fuck's doing it? 0.99

01:39:40.000 Let me just try to not be attached to someone. 0.98

01:39:42.000 And through the internet, you have the option to put your stuff out there.

01:39:47.000 And it gets a reaction from people.

01:39:50.000 Stuff like this. 1.00

01:39:51.000 And then they go, oh shit, this bitch is talented. 1.00

01:39:55.000 You know, and I'm... 1.00

01:39:56.000 Thanks.

01:39:57.000 First of all, that's sweet.

01:39:58.000 You know I love you.

01:39:59.000 I love you, too.

01:40:01.000 It's not like I want to, like, take over the world.

01:40:03.000 I just want to, like, make a good living doing what I love.

01:40:06.000 That's all I want, you know? 0.96

01:40:07.000 And it's fucking hard. 0.98

01:40:09.000 I know it's hard. 0.99

01:40:09.000 But it's also... 0.99

01:40:11.000 Yeah, like...

01:40:15.000 I want to capture that thing.

01:40:17.000 I want to tune into the right radio station and also not have to worry so much about not having enough to get by.

01:40:27.000 That kind of thing.

01:40:28.000 It sounds silly, but it's not.

01:40:30.000 That is my reality.

01:40:31.000 What is the major function of a record label?

01:40:35.000 Not hating, just wondering.

01:40:36.000 What's the major function of a record label when you're not necessarily selling records?

01:40:41.000 So they are...

01:40:42.000 Not trying to blow up anybody's business.

01:40:43.000 Well, you want to weigh in on this?

01:40:45.000 I can give a little bit.

01:40:47.000 Yeah.

01:40:49.000 They're for marketing, promotion.

01:40:52.000 Marketing.

01:40:54.000 They're the folks who help you with budgets for tour.

01:40:57.000 Mm-hmm.

01:40:59.000 They're a bank.

01:41:00.000 So when it says, like, budgets for tour, is that because you have to lay out money in advance to set up a set and to make sure that everybody gets to the place, they have the money to get to the event and set everything up, and then they would reap some of the rewards?

01:41:14.000 So it's almost like an initial investment based on return from ticket sales.

01:41:18.000 Right.

01:41:22.000 It's expensive to be out on tour.

01:41:24.000 It's a lot to be out on tour.

01:41:26.000 You're paying for anything and everything.

01:41:29.000 You're paying to play, basically.

01:41:31.000 And so what they do is they come in and they'll help you with things like that.

01:41:37.000 But sometimes it doesn't work for people.

01:41:40.000 And that's the thing.

01:41:42.000 People come into this thing going, oh, I made it.

01:41:44.000 I've got this deal.

01:41:45.000 But if your record doesn't hit or whatever doesn't hit, then they've invested all this money.

01:41:50.000 So it puts this extra pressure on you to figure out what you need to do to make it.

01:41:57.000 And I think some people go down a different route and would switch up their thing.

01:42:04.000 But they can be very helpful.

01:42:06.000 It depends on your attitude too.

01:42:09.000 A lot of it is your attitude and what you think.

01:42:12.000 Are you being taken advantage of or is this an investment or is this going to pay off because it goes so up and down depending on I would imagine it would be hard to be free and creative and having a good time with it if you feel like you're being taken advantage of.

01:42:25.000 It would put a dark cloud over it.

01:42:27.000 Well, there's that, and I think there's also the misconception that once you get a big record deal, and I've had a few, where you think all of a sudden you have to stop doing something, and they're going to do it for you.

01:42:39.000 That is the biggest mistake you could ever make.

01:42:43.000 And if anything, you have to work harder and prove to them that...

01:42:47.000 You're kind of worthy of their time and money.

01:42:51.000 Sometimes.

01:42:51.000 It depends.

01:42:52.000 It depends on the company.

01:42:53.000 I see what you're saying.

01:42:55.000 Essentially, when you sign a deal with these folks, they have a lot of your creative integrity in some ways, depending on the deal and how it's shaped.

01:43:07.000 And they own your copyright. 0.98

01:43:10.000 If they want to own your record, depending on your deal, sometimes you have more leverage than others, and if that's the case, like, fuck yeah, good for you. 0.67

01:43:18.000 But that's so weird that they own the whole thing. 0.84

01:43:20.000 They could ever own the whole thing.

01:43:22.000 Unless you sell it for an exorbitant amount of money.

01:43:25.000 The idea that you would own the whole song, like they would own the writing, the music, they would own the recording.

01:43:32.000 No, not that.

01:43:33.000 Copyright and publishing are different things.

01:43:35.000 Okay, so you could still have someone else do that song?

01:43:37.000 So, okay. 0.94

01:43:38.000 So I self-released my last record, Ruby Red, and I learned a lot because I hired my own PR and distribution companies and I really got into the nuts and bolts on how all this shit works.

01:43:50.000 And I'm not sure if this has changed because sometimes this is, you know, going back and forth.

01:43:56.000 But when you own your copyright, the digital return on things like Spotify and iTunes are 10 to 1. So when the record companies own your copyright and all of your streaming is like kicking, like just fucking taking off, they're making tons of money on your streaming.

01:44:13.000 So they make it ten times more than you are?

01:44:14.000 Yes.

01:44:15.000 Jesus Christ.

01:44:16.000 Yes.

01:44:17.000 I know.

01:44:18.000 Crazy.

01:44:19.000 Demons. 0.91

01:44:20.000 Wow.

01:44:21.000 Major Labor's now earning over one million per hour from streaming. 0.99

01:44:25.000 That's fucking insane. 1.00

01:44:26.000 Holy shit. 1.00

01:44:28.000 So they figured it out. 1.00

01:44:29.000 They figured out how to get deeper into the arteries, like real close to the heart.

01:44:32.000 But the hustle is like trying to get...

01:44:35.000 But they also have the keys to a lot of doors, you know?

01:44:39.000 It's like a weird trade-off.

01:44:40.000 They do.

01:44:41.000 But I have a feeling, if you just look at the landscape, that that is less and less of an issue almost every year.

01:44:48.000 I don't know.

01:44:49.000 As long as you don't create feuds, I don't think they necessarily have the keys to arenas.

01:44:53.000 I think if you go through major agencies, that's solved.

01:44:57.000 And I think distribution over the internet, just through people finding out about it and sharing it and tossing it around, is probably...

01:45:05.000 As useful, if not better than anything.

01:45:09.000 Right.

01:45:09.000 Because I'll find out about it.

01:45:11.000 Podcasts find out about it.

01:45:12.000 People on Twitter find out about it. 1.00

01:45:13.000 They retweet shit. 0.99

01:45:15.000 People Instagram repost stuff. 1.00

01:45:16.000 And then it hits millions and millions and millions and millions of people.

01:45:19.000 100% organic. 1.00

01:45:21.000 And it happens all the time, which shit is good. 0.98

01:45:23.000 I mean, it's almost like you're bankrolling On it not being a good idea if you do it with somebody else. 0.99

01:45:32.000 It's like what you're doing is like bankrolling on yourself.

01:45:34.000 You're saying like, I believe in myself, let's just put this out.

01:45:38.000 Whereas if you do it with a label, you have to, so many people have to be, and there's nothing wrong with it, I'm sure it's worked out great for both of you on numerous occasions, but someone just has to believe in you, you have to work with someone.

01:45:49.000 There's a lot involved.

01:45:51.000 First of all, there are some great companies.

01:45:54.000 I don't know what label you work with.

01:45:58.000 We're good. 0.99

01:46:02.000 Obviously, because you're fucking amazing and you're crushing it. 0.99

01:46:06.000 Some companies, that's not the case. 0.98

01:46:11.000 People's jobs depend on your success.

01:46:14.000 If they're scared and they go in in this way that it's not...

01:46:20.000 It doesn't hit.

01:46:21.000 Yes.

01:46:22.000 Or something.

01:46:22.000 Like, they drop you fast.

01:46:24.000 Yeah.

01:46:25.000 And, you know, I'll speak...

01:46:27.000 Oh, yeah.

01:46:28.000 Maybe not.

01:46:29.000 Hold it together, Shazam! 0.61

01:46:31.000 That's twice!

01:46:32.000 Hold it together! 0.99

01:46:34.000 Well, you remember when Prince had to change his name to a fucking symbol? 0.99

01:46:37.000 Oh, yeah, yeah. 0.99

01:46:37.000 Yeah, exactly. 0.99

01:46:39.000 That is the perfect example.

01:46:41.000 That's the perfect example.

01:46:41.000 Yes.

01:46:42.000 Imagine, you are trying to keep Prince.

01:46:44.000 That's just business.

01:46:46.000 One of the G-O-A-T's of all time, right? 1.00

01:46:49.000 Come on. 0.60

01:46:50.000 I mean, of all time, goats. 0.99

01:46:52.000 He was androgynous before anybody knew what the fuck it was. 0.99

01:46:56.000 He was dancing around with high heels. 1.00

01:46:58.000 No one could say shit because it was so good. 0.99

01:47:01.000 Think about all the homophobia. 0.99

01:47:02.000 We were talking about transphobia, homophobia. 1.00

01:47:05.000 Think about all the shit he must have endured in like 1988 or whatever the fuck it is when he put out that first album. 1.00

01:47:12.000 And it didn't matter. 0.99

01:47:13.000 It was so good. 0.99

01:47:14.000 Everybody just had to step the fuck back. 0.98

01:47:16.000 Like Purple Rain. 1.00

01:47:18.000 The way he was dressed was ridiculous. 0.95

01:47:20.000 Imagine if Ryan Reynolds was in a movie about a singer who dressed like Prince did in Purple Rain. 0.98

01:47:26.000 He's so good he gave himself a handicap. 1.00

01:47:29.000 He said, I'm going to dress like a goddamn king and you ain't going to say shit because my fucking music is so good. 1.00

01:47:35.000 He would drive up in a motorcycle with no helmet. 1.00

01:47:38.000 Shut the fuck up, bitch. 1.00

01:47:39.000 I'm doing whatever I want. 1.00

01:47:40.000 I'm Prince.

01:47:41.000 He was on another planet.

01:47:44.000 Look, come on.

01:47:45.000 He was on another planet.

01:47:47.000 Rarely, rarely people like this exist.

01:47:49.000 Do you ever get to meet him, Gary? 0.99

01:47:52.000 Nah, I fucked up one time. 0.97

01:47:54.000 I came back from tour, and I got invited. 0.96

01:47:56.000 He wanted me to come out the next day, and I was jet-lagged and dealing with family stuff.

01:48:02.000 And I was like, I can't make it tomorrow, but...

01:48:05.000 So, my bad.

01:48:08.000 But such a big fan.

01:48:09.000 I think he's... 0.99

01:48:11.000 I fucked up once. 0.98

01:48:13.000 I had a chance to see him at the Hard Rock in Vegas. 0.99

01:48:16.000 Like when he was just starting to do music again and tour again.

01:48:19.000 And it was real late.

01:48:20.000 It was like after midnight.

01:48:21.000 I was tired. 0.99

01:48:22.000 I had to do some shit in the morning. 0.99

01:48:23.000 I was like, I want to work out. 1.00

01:48:25.000 Fuck this. 1.00

01:48:25.000 It's too late. 1.00

01:48:30.000 I think we should all work out tomorrow.

01:48:35.000 Actually, let's work out tonight.

01:48:37.000 Let's drink a little more whiskey.

01:48:39.000 We'll hit the gym outside.

01:48:40.000 I've done that before.

01:48:41.000 Jamie, you in? 0.99

01:48:43.000 Ari, Bert, and I got into a fucking bench press competition drunk as fuck after a podcast. 1.00

01:48:48.000 Oh my god, you did not. 1.00

01:48:50.000 It was crazy, yeah.

01:48:51.000 I was worried I hurt something.

01:48:53.000 Didn't I hurt something in my leg?

01:48:54.000 I hurt like a pop of muscle in my leg or something?

01:48:56.000 Your meniscus?

01:48:57.000 No. 0.98

01:48:57.000 No, no, it was like my hammy. 0.98

01:48:58.000 Like somewhere in my lower hand.

01:49:01.000 When you get drunk, it's the bane of all existence, but it's the source of so much pleasure.

01:49:09.000 How dare you.

01:49:09.000 It is.

01:49:10.000 It's both.

01:49:11.000 I'm having a great time.

01:49:13.000 It's the rocky seas.

01:49:14.000 That's what whiskey and booze, all booze in general, it's the rocky seas.

01:49:18.000 It's like you have great moments, but you also have times when you're going to puke off the side.

01:49:21.000 Oh yeah.

01:49:21.000 It's the rocky seas.

01:49:23.000 Okay, when was the last time you guys went to pukey town from drinking too much?

01:49:27.000 From drinking it's been a long time, but I puked from stomach virus just four days ago.

01:49:32.000 What?

01:49:32.000 Yeah, woo!

01:49:33.000 Oh my God, in between shows at the improv.

01:49:35.000 How about this?

01:49:36.000 My whole family had it. 1.00

01:49:37.000 One of my daughters, my wife had it first, then one of my daughters had it, and then I'm like, I don't get that shit, bitch. 1.00

01:49:43.000 And you sure did. 1.00

01:49:45.000 And then I'm in the bathroom at the improv, I'm like, man, I do not feel good.

01:49:49.000 And I'm like, I think I might puke.

01:49:51.000 I had to go up in 15 minutes.

01:49:52.000 I'm like, why don't I just make myself puke?

01:49:54.000 And I'm like, all right, let's make myself puke.

01:49:56.000 So I shoved three fingers down my throat, like way down my throat, and I didn't puke. 0.99

01:50:00.000 I'm like, God damn it. 0.98

01:50:01.000 And then all of a sudden, my body was like, oh, you want to party? 0.99

01:50:07.000 And I lifted up the bowl just in time for the most violent stream.

01:50:14.000 Like cartoonish. 1.00

01:50:15.000 I mean, fucking cartoonish. 1.00

01:50:19.000 Like down to the core of my lower spinal column. 0.99

01:50:25.000 Like, whoa!

01:50:26.000 Like I was worried I was going to pull muscles.

01:50:29.000 I'm crying a little bit.

01:50:30.000 I puked and I stepped up and I washed my hands and I went right back in.

01:50:34.000 I puked again.

01:50:35.000 So I got two off in between.

01:50:37.000 I did a show like that once.

01:50:38.000 It's the worst. 1.00

01:50:39.000 And then I did a show and then I drove home and on the way home I was like, keep it together, bitch. 1.00

01:50:45.000 Keep it together. 0.99

01:50:46.000 He's on the way home.

01:50:47.000 It was touch and go.

01:50:48.000 What car were you driving?

01:50:50.000 The Tesla.

01:50:50.000 It was going nice and slow, though.

01:50:53.000 Tesla's nice.

01:50:54.000 It's a comfortable ride.

01:50:55.000 Very advanced ride.

01:50:57.000 Keep you away from those horrible bumps that might disturb you.

01:50:59.000 I barely got inside my house and just...

01:51:04.000 I mean violent.

01:51:06.000 Like the most violent throw up I think I've ever had in my life.

01:51:09.000 It was spectacular.

01:51:10.000 Have you ever had a show like that?

01:51:12.000 Have you ever had a show like that?

01:51:14.000 Yeah, I've had a show like that.

01:51:15.000 I did two shows.

01:51:16.000 I did the second show that night that way too.

01:51:18.000 But I made it through the second show with no problem.

01:51:21.000 That's the worst.

01:51:22.000 Me and my friend, we were in Austin playing at...

01:51:24.000 Antone's?

01:51:25.000 Yeah, Antone's.

01:51:27.000 And we just got back from the tour.

01:51:28.000 It was like a holiday show and everyone was there.

01:51:30.000 And we went and got some pizza from this Jake.

01:51:33.000 Oh no!

01:51:35.000 So me and my tour manager at the time, we sit on the bus and we look at each other like...

01:51:42.000 At the same time, no words.

01:51:46.000 No words.

01:51:47.000 We both hopped up and we're like...

01:51:49.000 We just hit, we're like side by side.

01:51:52.000 Five minutes.

01:51:53.000 Hey guys, you guys ready to go?

01:51:56.000 You guys ready to go?

01:51:57.000 No, man, I'm not ready.

01:51:59.000 So I get up on stage.

01:52:01.000 I know I'm just dragging breathing people in the front row. 0.58

01:52:03.000 Oh no.

01:52:04.000 Did you tell him?

01:52:06.000 Nah.

01:52:07.000 Nah, I didn't.

01:52:08.000 But it was pretty obvious.

01:52:10.000 Something's wrong.

01:52:11.000 Why am I that sweaty and haven't hit a note yet?

01:52:14.000 Oh my god.

01:52:15.000 But we also had a thing over in Europe.

01:52:17.000 A couple of friends of mine, these guys in my band had some oysters.

01:52:23.000 Oh no!

01:52:24.000 So we had to fly the next, you know, like in Europe when you're traveling.

01:52:27.000 My whole family got it off the oysters once.

01:52:30.000 My wife and one of my kids got it off.

01:52:33.000 Oysters, occasionally, food poisoning is rough because did you know that when you get food poisoning on a boat, they try to quarantine you?

01:52:40.000 No.

01:52:40.000 I didn't know that either.

01:52:42.000 Yeah, food poisoning apparently can spread from person to person.

01:52:46.000 Never knew that until this year.

01:52:47.000 Weird.

01:52:48.000 No, I didn't know that either.

01:52:49.000 Someone got food poisoning on a boat and they couldn't leave the boat.

01:52:52.000 Find out if that's true.

01:52:56.000 I'm pretty sure it is.

01:52:57.000 I love it.

01:52:58.000 I'm pretty sure it is.

01:53:01.000 Because we were trying to figure out...

01:53:03.000 Oh, the oyster thing's tough.

01:53:04.000 How it spreads. 1.00

01:53:05.000 But then my wife was like, I think that shit is actually contagious. 1.00

01:53:10.000 Because it's a bacteria, essentially, right? 1.00

01:53:12.000 Exactly.

01:53:13.000 You can get it on your hands, you can get it on other things.

01:53:16.000 People can touch those things.

01:53:17.000 Right, right.

01:53:18.000 That's terrifying.

01:53:19.000 And they want to make... 1.00

01:53:20.000 People are dirty bitches. 1.00

01:53:21.000 They don't want people coughing on their hands and touching things and everybody gets food poisoning. 1.00

01:53:24.000 It literally can't happen that way.

01:53:27.000 My last Honey Honey show.

01:53:30.000 It was Puke City. 0.65

01:53:32.000 I don't know what it was.

01:53:33.000 It started in the middle of the night before the show.

01:53:39.000 It was a pretty big playing gig for us that we couldn't turn down.

01:53:44.000 They had a bucket for me backstage in case I needed to ditch.

01:53:48.000 Does it affect your vocals?

01:53:50.000 Yeah, it affected everything.

01:53:52.000 It was...

01:53:52.000 Well, first of all...

01:53:54.000 I would imagine it affected the noises.

01:53:55.000 I'll be honest.

01:53:56.000 You know what happened?

01:53:58.000 Ben graciously let the crowd know, hey, Susie's not feeling so well, everybody.

01:54:02.000 Like, just want you to know we're going to give you the best show we can, but, like, give her some love.

01:54:05.000 And I could feel it.

01:54:07.000 I could feel their support.

01:54:10.000 Whether it was adrenaline or what and I basically played in my pajamas like I didn't do anything to my face I didn't wear and I was wearing like I just went out there I was like like I was dead I was lying on the couch and they're like we got to go and I'm like okay and it was a really intense show and but also in like a kind of beautiful way like it was our last like scheduled show together and Ben and I were crying and stuff.

01:54:40.000 We had this whole thing, but the crowd really held me up.

01:54:42.000 They really did.

01:54:44.000 I didn't puke during the show, ironically.

01:54:46.000 But I was sick for days after that.

01:54:48.000 And then I flew to Dublin the next day to join the Hosier Band. 0.85

01:54:52.000 So it was like a weird mindfuck.

01:54:54.000 I don't know. 0.84

01:54:56.000 A part of me wonders if it was some weird...

01:54:59.000 Like, mental thing, because no one else got sick, but I mean, I was really sick.

01:55:03.000 I doubt it was a mental thing, but I'd like to doubt that.

01:55:05.000 I bet it was a mental thing, though, that that crowd raised you.

01:55:08.000 Yeah, that was intense.

01:55:11.000 You know, they talk about, like, one of the worst things that happens to people in terms of, like, illness and disease is loneliness.

01:55:18.000 One of the worst things.

01:55:19.000 There's something about people that are lonely and sad.

01:55:23.000 It's one of the worst things in terms of indicators of overall health.

01:55:27.000 You just don't have a reason to go.

01:55:31.000 You feel real bad and people get real sick.

01:55:33.000 It's real bad for your immune system.

01:55:35.000 But on the other hand, when people love you, and you go out there, and they know you're sick, and they love you, and they send you...

01:55:40.000 It sounds hippy and woo-woo, but there's a feeling that you get from...

01:55:44.000 No way, it's not hippy at all.

01:55:45.000 I believe in that. 0.98

01:55:46.000 It's a similar feeling to that feeling that you get when Kickstart My Heart comes on, and you're on the fucking elliptical machine, and you're like, whoa! 0.97

01:55:54.000 Keeps coming back! 0.97

01:55:55.000 Kickstart my heart so she never stops! 0.96

01:55:59.000 Baby!

01:56:00.000 Oh my God! 1.00

01:56:07.000 That shit's real edgy! 1.00

01:56:09.000 It's the truth, honestly. 1.00

01:56:10.000 It's real fuel.

01:56:11.000 I 100% concur with you.

01:56:13.000 Hunter S. Thompson had a great quote about music being fuel.

01:56:17.000 He looked at it like fuel. 0.99

01:56:19.000 What is that fucking quote? 1.00

01:56:19.000 Oh my god, music saved my life. 1.00

01:56:21.000 Me too.

01:56:22.000 My sadness, my joy, all of it.

01:56:25.000 My inspiration.

01:56:26.000 It changes how you feel.

01:56:27.000 You hear a great song and it changes. 1.00

01:56:29.000 It's a fucking drug. 1.00

01:56:31.000 It's just like a drug. 1.00

01:56:32.000 It changes how you feel.

01:56:34.000 Music has always been a matter of energy to me, a question of fuel.

01:56:37.000 Sentimental people call it inspiration, but what they really mean is fuel.

01:56:41.000 I have always needed fuel.

01:56:43.000 I am a serious consumer.

01:56:45.000 On some nights, I still believe that a car with gas needle on empty can run about 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio.

01:56:54.000 That's cool.

01:56:56.000 Agreed.

01:56:56.000 I forgot the.

01:56:57.000 Agreed. 0.82

01:56:58.000 I fucked up the. 0.97

01:57:00.000 But, you know, music as a writer and as a listener has saved my life. 0.96

01:57:05.000 Well, it's made people do more work.

01:57:07.000 Music changes, like, the way... 0.99

01:57:09.000 First of all, how many people at their job, they have some bullshit-ass fucking job, but music gets them through, like warehouse workers, people that are doing shit, but they can hear music in the background. 1.00

01:57:19.000 Music gets them through, they're like, oh shit, not this one! 1.00

01:57:21.000 And they yell it out to their friends, and everybody's having a good time while they're working. 0.99

01:57:25.000 I mean...

01:57:26.000 That's just a fact, right? 1.00

01:57:28.000 It's every bullshit job. 1.00

01:57:29.000 If you can listen to music at a bullshit job. 1.00

01:57:32.000 It's empowering. 1.00

01:57:33.000 It makes that job way better. 1.00

01:57:35.000 Every construction gig, they suck when the fucking foreman comes over and says, no music, guys. 0.99

01:57:40.000 Like, what? 1.00

01:57:40.000 No music? 1.00

01:57:42.000 What is television or movies without music, you know?

01:57:45.000 Like, there's a whole bunch of dead space, but you also have that sort of, like, you know, music score to your life.

01:57:53.000 Yes.

01:57:53.000 You know, you have those moments in your life where you're going through a breakup, or you're going through whatever, or you're empowered, and you, you know, throw on some Run the Jewels.

01:58:01.000 That's my...

01:58:02.000 Yes!

01:58:03.000 Shout out to Killer Mike.

01:58:04.000 Yeah, for real.

01:58:04.000 Have you had Killer Mike on here?

01:58:05.000 Yes, I have. 1.00

01:58:06.000 God damn! 1.00

01:58:07.000 I love him so much. 1.00

01:58:07.000 I was just texting him the other day. 1.00

01:58:09.000 Get out of here. 1.00

01:58:09.000 Yeah, he's the crazy fucking speech at the Bernie Sanders rally. 1.00

01:58:12.000 Get out of here. 1.00

01:58:13.000 Like one of them goose bumpy speeches.

01:58:16.000 Like, woo! 0.93

01:58:18.000 When I listen to Run the Jewels, I get goosebumps.

01:58:21.000 I get a physical reaction to their music.

01:58:24.000 It's so powerful.

01:58:25.000 And Killer Mike.

01:58:26.000 If that dude wants to run for president, if Killer Mike ever runs for president, everybody better be real hopeful.

01:58:31.000 Real hopeful he just enjoys his rap career.

01:58:34.000 He would be real hopeful he keeps doing what he's doing.

01:58:38.000 Because if that guy runs for president, he's going to, woo!

01:58:41.000 That's a powerful human being.

01:58:43.000 Yes. 1.00

01:58:44.000 He's a powerful orator like like a fucking new-age preacher when he was doing it that Bernie said I texted him like dude, that's some serious shit He was spitting flames. 1.00

01:58:58.000 Just, whoa! 1.00

01:59:01.000 He's a brilliant man, too.

01:59:03.000 There's something about people that can do that, right? 0.99

01:59:05.000 That can have those fucking giant speeches. 0.97

01:59:07.000 And that's one of the reasons why Trump is successful, is his ability to stand in front of large groups of people and get big reactions. 1.00

01:59:13.000 But he says dumb shit. 1.00

01:59:14.000 He does. 1.00

01:59:15.000 But it's all in who's your audience.

01:59:18.000 You know?

01:59:19.000 It's all in like, who's there and what else have they heard that night?

01:59:22.000 Right? 0.99

01:59:22.000 That might be the most fun shit they've heard that night. 0.99

01:59:25.000 It's like, if you're a bad comic, you know what a lot of bad comics do? 0.99

01:59:28.000 They have terrible comedians open for them.

01:59:30.000 So they have like, it's just like the audience is just in a coma by the time they get up.

01:59:34.000 In a sense, That's what Trump is. 0.98

01:59:36.000 Trump's a comic who's had nothing but shitty comics on before him. 0.97

01:59:39.000 So all of the politicians before him, even the most interesting ones, are really boring to listen and talk to for long periods of time. 0.99

01:59:46.000 But Trump goes up there and makes fun of Mike Bloomberg's hype by ducking under the fucking table. 0.99

01:59:52.000 And he calls Hillary, crazy Hillary, lying Hillary and sleepy Joe Biden. 1.00

01:59:58.000 He makes jokes about them. 0.99

01:59:59.000 I'm not saying, I'm not justifying what he does, but the reason why he can even do what he does is because everybody besides him when it comes to communicating is so goddamn boring. 0.99

02:00:09.000 The way they get their message is so fucking boring. 0.99

02:00:12.000 Boring! 0.99

02:00:13.000 Jesus!

02:00:14.000 I get it!

02:00:15.000 You want to help! 1.00

02:00:16.000 You're fucking killing me! 1.00

02:00:18.000 You're so annoying with the thumb thing! 1.00

02:00:20.000 You're full of shit! 1.00

02:00:21.000 If you were talking like that in my house, I'd be like, who the fuck are you, man? 1.00

02:00:25.000 Who are you? 1.00

02:00:26.000 Why are you lying about your past?

02:00:28.000 Why are you pretending about this?

02:00:30.000 You're lying!

02:00:32.000 You're wearing a mask!

02:00:32.000 It's a weird sleight of hand, you know?

02:00:35.000 Yeah, the thumb thing.

02:00:36.000 They're wearing a mask.

02:00:37.000 Like Killer Mike.

02:00:38.000 There's no mask.

02:00:39.000 No.

02:00:40.000 He's guns blazing.

02:00:41.000 Oh, yeah.

02:00:42.000 That kind of person is the future of politics.

02:00:44.000 He's a powerful man.

02:00:45.000 That's what's gonna happen.

02:00:46.000 But back to the Trump thing.

02:00:47.000 That's what Trump did, though.

02:00:48.000 He threw in monkey wrenches and gears.

02:00:49.000 It's the sleight of hand.

02:00:50.000 It's like a magic trick.

02:00:52.000 But so is everyone else.

02:00:54.000 That's the problem.

02:00:55.000 The problem with saying that is so is Ted Cruz.

02:00:57.000 Everyone saw the videos of Ted Cruz with his family, like, you know, pretending to have, like, a real moment with his family.

02:01:01.000 On the beach?

02:01:02.000 Is that the one? 1.00

02:01:02.000 This is fucked up. 1.00

02:01:03.000 It's in the living room. 1.00

02:01:04.000 They're like, Mom, you gotta be more sincere.

02:01:06.000 Like, it's like...

02:01:06.000 Weird, like sculpted, fake scripted reality.

02:01:11.000 Trump is the antidote to that.

02:01:13.000 That's the problem. 1.00

02:01:13.000 They're all crazy, too. 1.00

02:01:15.000 That might be a worse kind of crazy. 1.00

02:01:16.000 It's a broken system.

02:01:19.000 Who wants to do it?

02:01:20.000 That's the problem.

02:01:21.000 Joe.

02:01:22.000 No, no, no, no.

02:01:22.000 I think it's time for you to run for president.

02:01:25.000 I'm not interested in anything.

02:01:26.000 I'm interested in doing less than I'm doing already.

02:01:28.000 You are leading us all, sir. 0.99

02:01:30.000 I'm not leading shit. 0.99

02:01:31.000 No chance. 0.99

02:01:32.000 All I'm saying is like, this is nonsense. 0.99

02:01:36.000 These people that do this, they're nonsense people. 0.91

02:01:38.000 Nah, I wouldn't go for you. 0.96

02:01:39.000 They're tricking.

02:01:40.000 It's like someone made a good description of it.

02:01:44.000 I think it was Kyle Kalinske.

02:01:45.000 That's exactly who it was.

02:01:46.000 He was saying it's exactly like there was a bunch of crappy comedians that were imitating the cadence of Dave Attell. 0.60

02:01:52.000 Dave Attell will talk like this! 0.68

02:01:55.000 But it was always funny!

02:01:56.000 And he always had these brilliant punchlines and he inspired a whole gigantic slew of people that have imitated this Dave Attell cadence.

02:02:04.000 Most of it is harmless and they're just fans and they wanted to be like him and they might not even realize they're doing it and they eventually would find their own voice.

02:02:12.000 And that happens, I'm sure, with musicians.

02:02:14.000 It happens probably with everybody and art and everything, right?

02:02:17.000 But the problem is...

02:02:21.000 Just doing something like that is, I can't, listen, you can't run the world if you're doing a character.

02:02:28.000 If you're doing this, because if you're trying to make it as a comic, and you're pretending you're David Hale, fine. 1.00

02:02:33.000 But if you want to run the fucking free world, and you're doing the Obama thing, and you're talking like this, and you're talking the exact cadence, exactly the way old Barack Obama used to talk, like, fuck you, man! 1.00

02:02:44.000 That's not you! 1.00

02:02:45.000 Who are you, bitch? 1.00

02:02:46.000 Who are you? 1.00

02:02:48.000 At least we know who Trump is. 1.00

02:02:49.000 He might be crazy. 1.00

02:02:50.000 It might be madness. 0.99

02:02:52.000 It might be chaos.

02:02:53.000 It might be.

02:02:53.000 You're right.

02:02:54.000 Guess what?

02:02:54.000 They all are.

02:02:55.000 The whole thing's crazy.

02:02:56.000 Everybody wants to be president.

02:02:58.000 Almost everyone.

02:02:59.000 Except a couple of them.

02:03:01.000 You know what I'd like?

02:03:04.000 What?

02:03:04.000 It's madness!

02:03:06.000 Who the fuck wants to run this thing? 1.00

02:03:08.000 Crazy people. 1.00

02:03:09.000 I think it'd be cool if... 0.94

02:03:11.000 Dude, man.

02:03:13.000 Let me tell you.

02:03:14.000 Bro, I think it'd be cool.

02:03:16.000 No, honestly, though, if the Democrats teamed up.

02:03:19.000 With who?

02:03:20.000 Space?

02:03:21.000 Aliens?

02:03:22.000 Oh, I think they are doing that right now to try to get rid of Bernie Sanders.

02:03:25.000 You're, you know, head of national security, you're president, you're vice president, you know, like in this way that I think they all have strengths.

02:03:32.000 It's tough to feel like one of them has it all.

02:03:36.000 And essentially that's the case with most people.

02:03:38.000 But if they...

02:03:41.000 I don't know.

02:03:41.000 I know the Democrats probably mean well.

02:03:43.000 I hate talking about politics because people give me so much shit about it and it... 1.00

02:03:46.000 Well, fuck them. 1.00

02:03:47.000 I don't care. 1.00

02:03:47.000 I think that it's a really scary time and Trump is terrifying. 1.00

02:03:54.000 Everybody's terrifying.

02:03:55.000 Yeah, but his blatant...

02:03:58.000 I'm gonna pee.

02:03:59.000 I have to.

02:04:00.000 I'm holding it together.

02:04:01.000 That's why I'm so anxious right now.

02:04:02.000 Gary Clark wins this one.

02:04:04.000 You know what you should do?

02:04:05.000 You should go pee.

02:04:05.000 You didn't leave him pee yet, right?

02:04:06.000 No, I didn't.

02:04:07.000 Okay, why don't we pee?

02:04:08.000 Let's play a song, and then we don't have to play any more songs.

02:04:12.000 Yeah, but let me come back.

02:04:13.000 You guys talk amongst each other.

02:04:15.000 I'm good.

02:04:15.000 I'm quick.

02:04:16.000 Gary, don't you have to pee, too?

02:04:18.000 No.

02:04:18.000 Wow.

02:04:19.000 That's impressive.

02:04:20.000 I feel like I have to pee again, and I've already peed once.

02:04:23.000 He's running in his sports shorts.

02:04:25.000 Can you see the calves on that man?

02:04:28.000 Like, wow!

02:04:29.000 Yeah, man. 0.99

02:04:30.000 Make me feel bad about myself and shit. 0.99

02:04:32.000 I've been sitting around eating donuts. 0.99

02:04:33.000 Come on now.

02:04:34.000 Have I told you how much my mom talks about how good looking you are?

02:04:37.000 Oh, really?

02:04:37.000 Yeah, she said it literally today.

02:04:39.000 I love her.

02:04:40.000 And I said, Mom, Gary's married to a beautiful supermodel and he's about to...

02:04:45.000 Well, now you've had your third baby.

02:04:47.000 Yes.

02:04:47.000 Yeah.

02:04:48.000 Well, your mom's sweet. 0.97

02:04:49.000 She is.

02:04:50.000 She's great.

02:04:51.000 I wish more people thought like her.

02:04:53.000 Get out of here.

02:04:54.000 Make me feel better in the morning when I wake up and I just look at this face. 1.00

02:04:58.000 Fuck. 1.00

02:04:58.000 Get out of here, Gary. 1.00

02:04:59.000 I'm just kidding.

02:05:00.000 I love my life.

02:05:00.000 It's all good.

02:05:01.000 Thank God.

02:05:02.000 Yeah, it's a good life.

02:05:03.000 Hey, cheers. 0.97

02:05:04.000 That's very sweet.

02:05:05.000 Thanks for being here.

02:05:06.000 My pleasure.

02:05:07.000 Wow.

02:05:07.000 How about it?

02:05:08.000 We're running the Joe Rogan podcast without Joe Rogan.

02:05:12.000 I don't know.

02:05:13.000 Jamie?

02:05:14.000 Not many people have gotten to do that.

02:05:15.000 Oh, my God.

02:05:16.000 Okay.

02:05:17.000 Well, what should we talk about?

02:05:18.000 Joe.

02:05:19.000 Yeah, right?

02:05:21.000 What a legend.

02:05:23.000 Absolutely.

02:05:24.000 Absolutely.

02:05:25.000 With his space suit and his, you know, his antlers.

02:05:30.000 And is there taxidermy in this room?

02:05:32.000 I mean, yeah, antlers.

02:05:34.000 Yeah, not really.

02:05:35.000 Yeah, copy that.

02:05:37.000 No, it's a special place.

02:05:39.000 I feel like we're in a bomb shelter of party town.

02:05:43.000 You know, like, we're safe here and we're gonna have a good time and we could stay here for a while.

02:05:47.000 Yeah, I wouldn't be mad if this was where I had to end.

02:05:50.000 Me too!

02:05:51.000 Yeah.

02:05:53.000 So, how can we model our lives?

02:05:56.000 Like, it's like WWJD. What would Joe do?

02:06:00.000 Okay, let's take notes.

02:06:02.000 Okay. 1.00

02:06:02.000 Start writing this shit down. 1.00

02:06:04.000 Okay. 1.00

02:06:05.000 One.

02:06:06.000 Sauna.

02:06:07.000 Sauna.

02:06:08.000 I need...

02:06:10.000 Sensory deprivation tank.

02:06:11.000 To what?

02:06:12.000 Really? 1.00

02:06:13.000 Son of a bitch. 1.00

02:06:14.000 No, but you know, Joe ironically sent Ben Jaffe and I from Honey Honey to a sensory deprivation tank in Venice Beach. 1.00

02:06:23.000 And it was going well until I got to that point where I panicked a little bit.

02:06:27.000 Oh, Joe, we were doing so good without you.

02:06:31.000 I literally wrote down sauna.

02:06:33.000 Oh my God, I'm so thankful.

02:06:34.000 Wait a minute.

02:06:36.000 I was just telling the story of when you sent Ben and I to the sensory deprivation tank, the float tank in Venice, and with Crash.

02:06:48.000 Crash, my man.

02:06:49.000 Yeah.

02:06:50.000 And I kind of went in, and Crash was basically like, look...

02:06:54.000 I'm going to lock the doors and you guys are like in here, you know, do your thing.

02:06:58.000 And so I was in the tank and I got to this point where I like started to panic.

02:07:05.000 And I thought I was just trying to sort of go somewhere.

02:07:08.000 And then I was like, what if, what if Crash didn't leave open the air vent and I'm going to suffocate?

02:07:13.000 And I started to like go for the door and then I got it in my eye and I was like, ah!

02:07:18.000 Because it's salt water.

02:07:21.000 Were you high?

02:07:22.000 No!

02:07:23.000 Really?

02:07:24.000 I wasn't high.

02:07:25.000 Maybe.

02:07:25.000 I'm not sure.

02:07:27.000 But I really hit a wall. 0.64

02:07:31.000 And you're naked.

02:07:33.000 Maybe it makes me suspicious.

02:07:34.000 And I ended up going.

02:07:35.000 I had to jump out and go to the shower.

02:07:37.000 And I was like, ah!

02:07:38.000 Getting my eyes all rinsed out.

02:07:41.000 And I kind of sat there in a towel. 0.98

02:07:45.000 That's so ridiculous. 0.70

02:07:46.000 I failed my first float tank. 0.92

02:07:48.000 You never get, there's vents there.

02:07:50.000 There's air, plenty of air.

02:07:52.000 They have it set up.

02:07:53.000 But I will say, I went to a cryotherapy in Austin, one of the last times I was there, and I loved it.

02:07:59.000 It's great, right?

02:08:00.000 You feel awesome.

02:08:01.000 I didn't last the three minutes.

02:08:03.000 I did like 2.30 before I started to panic.

02:08:06.000 I think they're supposed to make you do two the first time.

02:08:08.000 I did 2.30.

02:08:09.000 That's, you're a rebel. 1.00

02:08:11.000 Suck my dick! 1.00

02:08:12.000 Whoa! 1.00

02:08:22.000 That might be the funniest thing I've ever heard.

02:08:25.000 That's gonna come back to haunt me. 1.00

02:08:34.000 Who was the first woman to say suck my dick? 1.00

02:08:41.000 Was it... 1.00

02:08:43.000 Was it Jane Fonda?

02:08:44.000 No, not Jane Fonda.

02:08:46.000 I was gonna say, I would hope it's like Sarah Silverman.

02:08:49.000 G.I. Jane.

02:08:49.000 Oh, G.I. Jane.

02:08:50.000 Demi Moore and G.I. Jane, right?

02:08:51.000 Remember?

02:08:52.000 She was the Navy SEAL. She's like, suck my dick. 1.00

02:08:54.000 And everyone's like, damn. 1.00

02:08:55.000 I love it. 0.99

02:08:56.000 I think it's incredible.

02:08:59.000 It's like, whoa. 1.00

02:09:01.000 That was the best a woman has ever said, suck my dick. 1.00

02:09:03.000 Now you're the queen. 1.00

02:09:04.000 Wow, Joe, I cannot.

02:09:07.000 You took that spot.

02:09:07.000 That is a great honor, sir.

02:09:08.000 You took that spot.

02:09:09.000 You took that spot.

02:09:10.000 Because I believe in you.

02:09:13.000 She's just reading lines in the movie.

02:09:14.000 I hate to say this. 0.96

02:09:16.000 Back in the Honey Honey days, I did have a nickname and it was Suck My Dick Suze. 0.92

02:09:22.000 Because I would say it a little too often. 0.90

02:09:25.000 It's like a reflex. 0.98

02:09:26.000 But it's a cool thing that a girl can say even though she doesn't have a dick and everybody thinks it's hilarious. 1.00

02:09:31.000 Like, no one gets offended. 0.97

02:09:32.000 Oh, that's good. 1.00

02:09:33.000 If a girl's like, suck my dick. 1.00

02:09:33.000 I don't want to offend anybody. 1.00

02:09:35.000 If you're offended, if you're a guy, you're like, that is outrageous.

02:09:38.000 Like, you're off the team.

02:09:39.000 How dare you?

02:09:39.000 Yeah.

02:09:40.000 What guy would be offended by a woman like you saying, suck my dick? 1.00

02:09:44.000 And this is where I get the Me Too from you guys. 1.00

02:09:48.000 Impossible.

02:09:49.000 But that would be a good indicator of douchebaggishness. 1.00

02:09:54.000 Sure. 1.00

02:09:54.000 Someone was upset of you saying, suck my dick. 1.00

02:09:56.000 Who are you? 1.00

02:09:57.000 What's going on here?

02:09:58.000 Yeah, well, that's the climate we're in, which is kind of scary.

02:10:00.000 But I don't think that way, though. 1.00

02:10:02.000 It's not that way, because that would require men to be upset at a woman for saying something like, suck my dick. 1.00

02:10:06.000 That hasn't gotten that crazy yet. 1.00

02:10:08.000 I hope not.

02:10:09.000 The only way it could ever is retaliatory.

02:10:11.000 I don't think so either. 0.99

02:10:12.000 But there's a lot of bitches amongst us. 1.00

02:10:13.000 There's a lot of bitches amongst us. 1.00

02:10:15.000 It could go bad. 1.00

02:10:16.000 We could hit the rocks and then have to bounce back.

02:10:18.000 You know what? 1.00

02:10:19.000 We need to conquer those inner bitches. 1.00

02:10:21.000 There's a lot of people that are just not capable of getting up. 1.00

02:10:24.000 They can't.

02:10:25.000 There's going to be no movement.

02:10:26.000 Agreed.

02:10:27.000 Boom.

02:10:27.000 They're going to hit that wall.

02:10:28.000 There's some guys.

02:10:30.000 Look, there's for sure a lot of men who would try to claim that way, in that direction.

02:10:36.000 Well, let's hope that's not the case with this podcast.

02:10:40.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:10:42.000 All of a sudden, suck my dick, you fucking bitch! 1.00

02:10:48.000 Mad at you. 1.00

02:10:49.000 Appropriating a penis is a fucking horrendous injustice. 1.00

02:10:53.000 You appropriated a penis, how about that? 1.00

02:10:54.000 I'm pretty sure I said that at one of my last poker games. 1.00

02:10:57.000 Appropriated a penis? 0.99

02:10:58.000 I'm pretty sure I said that at one of the last poker games I played and nobody laughed. 0.99

02:11:01.000 So I was like, oh, okay. 0.98

02:11:03.000 Oh, well you're fucking playing poker with a bunch of serious normies. 1.00

02:11:06.000 No! 1.00

02:11:07.000 They're a bunch of normies, they can't handle it.

02:11:08.000 It's okay.

02:11:09.000 How much money did you take from...

02:11:12.000 Um, it wasn't, you know... 0.98

02:11:14.000 Oh, she's a hustler. 1.00

02:11:15.000 She's a hustler. 1.00

02:11:16.000 I don't wanna... 1.00

02:11:17.000 This is bullshit. 1.00

02:11:17.000 She's trying not to fuck up her game right now. 1.00

02:11:19.000 I see what's going on. 0.79

02:11:20.000 Alright, moving on.

02:11:21.000 No, no, yeah.

02:11:22.000 I did okay.

02:11:23.000 I did okay.

02:11:24.000 I've always wanted to be good at chess.

02:11:25.000 That would be a thing that would be cool to tell people, like, yeah, I'm really good at chess.

02:11:28.000 Really?

02:11:29.000 Yeah.

02:11:30.000 Yeah, I guess so.

02:11:31.000 Be a thing.

02:11:32.000 I guess so.

02:11:33.000 But also, Joe, like, you're really good at a lot of other things.

02:11:37.000 Yeah, but chess is one of them ones that's, like, universally respected.

02:11:40.000 Right?

02:11:41.000 You meet a dude who can play some chess, like, oh, okay.

02:11:43.000 Gary, how's your chess game?

02:11:45.000 Terrible.

02:11:45.000 Non-existent.

02:11:46.000 What is that?

02:11:50.000 Now, checkers on the other hand. 1.00

02:11:52.000 He'll fuck you up. 1.00

02:11:53.000 He'll take your soul in checkers. 1.00

02:11:57.000 Flip it up on his side.

02:11:58.000 Beat you all day in four squares.

02:12:00.000 That's about it.

02:12:00.000 Oh my god.

02:12:01.000 There's only so many games.

02:12:03.000 I love games.

02:12:04.000 Hours in a day.

02:12:04.000 That's the problem.

02:12:06.000 This is so silly.

02:12:08.000 My dear landlord slash friend invited me downstairs to play this game that was created by the Rich Dad Poor Dad author. 0.78

02:12:16.000 Oh.

02:12:17.000 A game created by the author of that book?

02:12:20.000 Yeah, and it's...

02:12:21.000 I can't remember.

02:12:22.000 I don't know what it's called, but it...

02:12:24.000 Is it called Suck My Dig? 1.00

02:12:25.000 It's called Suck My Dig, bitch! 1.00

02:12:28.000 And it's about... 1.00

02:12:29.000 It's a financial game.

02:12:31.000 It's like an adult monopoly.

02:12:33.000 Oh, okay.

02:12:33.000 Adult monopoly?

02:12:34.000 I thought monopoly was an adult game.

02:12:35.000 You get out of the rat race.

02:12:37.000 I'm always scared when I play Monopoly.

02:12:39.000 You get out of the rat race.

02:12:40.000 And then you go to the like big dogs and it's very enlightening because you're kind of like buying property and then you're like making deals.

02:12:48.000 And there's something about it that...

02:12:50.000 Did you read Rich Dad Poor Dad?

02:12:52.000 No.

02:12:53.000 It's interesting.

02:12:54.000 It's an interesting way to approach your relationship with money if you've ever struggled with it or weren't sort of given a crash course on how to handle it or not handle it.

02:13:05.000 What did you get out of it?

02:13:06.000 I got that like...

02:13:10.000 The power that money can have over you is something to reconcile with, you know, in a way that you can live a healthier life and, you know, not...

02:13:22.000 Obviously, in a consumerist society, like, you kind of have this constant, like, I need, I need, I need, I need all that stuff.

02:13:29.000 But Rich Dad, Poor Dad...

02:13:32.000 First of all, I read half the book.

02:13:34.000 I didn't read the whole book, so I can't really, like, speak on the entirety of it, but...

02:13:40.000 It gave me a different level of confidence that money was taking from me.

02:13:47.000 As an artist, I chose the life to be a musician.

02:13:50.000 I could have lived in Cleveland and sold spaghetti and had a comfortable life, but I didn't do that.

02:13:57.000 Because my family has a great, they have a great restaurant.

02:14:00.000 That ship has sailed because it's like out of my immediate family's hands.

02:14:03.000 But at the time, I've had many, many moments in my life where I was like, should I move home and just like ditch this music thing?

02:14:10.000 Because that would be so much easier.

02:14:13.000 And money's been like this, you know, you kind of have, I've had a roller coaster and it can like rule my sleep and rule my happiness and my anxiety.

02:14:25.000 But When I read Rich Dad, Poor Dad, and then in conjunction with this board game I played with Russell, it really, it's so funny.

02:14:35.000 It seems, you know what, it seems like part of the whole illusion of reality, and obviously you need money to survive, but the stock that we put into it is pretty incredible,

02:14:51.000 you know?

02:14:53.000 And like the things that we think that we need in order to like...

02:14:57.000 Satisfy us.

02:14:58.000 Yes.

02:14:59.000 Yes.

02:15:00.000 And I feel like there's this weird mind game.

02:15:03.000 I'm always playing with it.

02:15:04.000 Yeah.

02:15:05.000 Like in terms of like getting...

02:15:11.000 To the next level in my music career like it's gonna take this much how you're gonna get it you know all that stuff But at the end of the day, I think when you sort of like release your white knuckles on on the thing It all works itself out.

02:15:24.000 I know that sounds pretty You know broad, but I think a money is something that's entangled in the life Yeah, there's there's great aspects to what you can do with your money, but it's entangled into your life in a weird way there's like There's what you currently can do,

02:15:42.000 right?

02:15:43.000 Based on your circumstances, based on your life, your health, your responsibilities.

02:15:47.000 There's what you can do, and there's what's humanly possible for you to do.

02:15:54.000 And when you see people that are making a lot of money, and you see that money, that money starts to get you thinking that that's what you should do.

02:16:02.000 You should do that money thing.

02:16:03.000 Whatever that money is.

02:16:04.000 No, no, no.

02:16:04.000 I used to make less money.

02:16:06.000 Now I make more money.

02:16:07.000 And that makes more money than even I make.

02:16:10.000 I got to do what that is to get more money.

02:16:12.000 But then you do that and you realize, oh, but this isn't fun.

02:16:14.000 Now most of my day is spent doing something that's not enjoyable.

02:16:18.000 That's not what I want to do.

02:16:19.000 So then it's what you want to do, what you can do, what's possible, and what you want to do.

02:16:26.000 I think?

02:16:37.000 The money thing can trick you.

02:16:39.000 Like, if you have a certain amount of money in the bank, like Brian Counts had it best to me. 0.99

02:16:43.000 He's like, once you go to a restaurant and you don't worry about what food costs, he goes, everything else is bullshit. 0.97

02:16:49.000 I was like, dude, you're right. 0.99

02:16:51.000 Because that's when you're free, right?

02:16:53.000 When you know your rent is paid, you know your gas is paid, your car payment's paid.

02:16:58.000 You're not worried about it at all.

02:16:59.000 You can just go eat.

02:17:00.000 Let's go eat.

02:17:00.000 You don't care.

02:17:02.000 Leave a nice fat tip.

02:17:03.000 Thank you.

02:17:03.000 Good night.

02:17:04.000 Bye.

02:17:05.000 That's when you're rich.

02:17:07.000 Everything other than that is like, what are you doing?

02:17:09.000 Are you just trying to score points?

02:17:11.000 Because that's what we're doing.

02:17:12.000 We're trying to get the high score.

02:17:13.000 Everybody wants to get the high score.

02:17:15.000 That high score. 1.00

02:17:16.000 You're in there fucking playing Centipede all day. 1.00

02:17:19.000 What's Centipede? 1.00

02:17:20.000 I never thought about it.

02:17:21.000 Old school arcade games.

02:17:27.000 It's Pong era. 0.85

02:17:29.000 Just past Pong. 1.00

02:17:30.000 Super old school dork shit. 1.00

02:17:32.000 That's funny. 1.00

02:17:33.000 But that's what it's like.

02:17:34.000 It's like, you know...

02:17:36.000 Yeah, the minute you stop obsessing about it, it stops becoming a problem.

02:17:42.000 Yeah.

02:17:42.000 In some ways.

02:17:43.000 I mean, it depends on your situation.

02:17:44.000 But, yeah, for me, it feels like this weird, like, spiritual grapple.

02:17:49.000 I'm just like, like, once I chill out, all the things start.

02:17:54.000 Yes, always, because you're more relaxed.

02:17:56.000 If you're more relaxed, you're better.

02:17:57.000 If you're better, you attract people that want to do stuff with you.

02:18:01.000 Yeah.

02:18:02.000 Anxious people, the worst is angry people. 0.96

02:18:05.000 People that are angry that they've been fucked over by the system somehow or another. 0.86

02:18:08.000 I'm not angry. 0.97

02:18:08.000 I will say that. 0.97

02:18:09.000 And I feel really grateful for that.

02:18:11.000 With how hard I work in trying to get the things that I really want, I don't feel jaded or cynical about it.

02:18:21.000 I feel really excited.

02:18:22.000 But I'm a little tired at the same time.

02:18:25.000 When you become gigantic, it's going to be really romantic.

02:18:28.000 That'd be nice.

02:18:28.000 These times you're going to look back on.

02:18:29.000 Me and Brad Pitt. 0.90

02:18:30.000 Just fucking banging it out with Brad Pitt, doing the best music you can do. 0.56

02:18:35.000 He's hoping for the future to be bright. 0.96

02:18:37.000 There's something about these days though.

02:18:39.000 You almost have to appreciate them because when they're gone, they're gone forever.

02:18:43.000 They're gone, they're gone forever.

02:18:44.000 I think about that sometimes.

02:18:49.000 Because I do believe.

02:18:51.000 I know that I won't feel like I do now with the struggle, you know, whatever.

02:18:58.000 But I also think, like, you know, maybe this is...

02:19:01.000 I did not read The Secret or watch The Secret.

02:19:04.000 However, I've had two guys I broke up with give me The Secret as a book.

02:19:08.000 Oh, Jesus Christ.

02:19:09.000 Dating fruitcakes.

02:19:10.000 I guess. 0.99

02:19:11.000 Don't I fucking know it? 0.99

02:19:14.000 And I... You need a lumberjack from Montana. 0.99

02:19:17.000 Yeah.

02:19:18.000 Some dude is an arborist.

02:19:19.000 Please.

02:19:20.000 He's climbing trees.

02:19:21.000 That's what you need. 0.99

02:19:21.000 But, like, you have to be funny and kind and get your shit together. 0.99

02:19:24.000 Yeah, there's plenty of those. 0.99

02:19:25.000 You gotta go to Bozeman.

02:19:26.000 Yeah.

02:19:26.000 I love Bozeman.

02:19:27.000 That's what I'm talking about.

02:19:28.000 One of my favorite poker tables is in Bozeman. 0.92

02:19:30.000 Oh my god, she is a hustler. 1.00

02:19:31.000 Gary, stay the fuck away from her. 1.00

02:19:33.000 Do not have a lot of pocket money to go to visit this lady. 1.00

02:19:37.000 There's this bar there that has like a six seat table.

02:19:40.000 And I probably go in once a year and I love it.

02:19:43.000 And I don't know if the same deal, the dealer's name is Spencer.

02:19:46.000 And I'll walk in at the last few years.

02:19:49.000 I love it.

02:19:49.000 It makes me feel so cool.

02:19:50.000 He goes, honey, honey.

02:19:52.000 I walk in.

02:19:54.000 And you can play off of 40 bucks for six hours and have a blast.

02:19:57.000 It's fun. 0.99

02:19:58.000 Damn. 0.99

02:19:58.000 It's just fun. 0.99

02:19:59.000 It's a hustler.

02:20:00.000 I don't know.

02:20:01.000 Trying to play games with us.

02:20:02.000 Oh, just yuck.

02:20:02.000 Having good times.

02:20:04.000 Oh, shucks.

02:20:04.000 I don't know.

02:20:05.000 I just like to play cards.

02:20:07.000 I like to have fun.

02:20:08.000 It's fun.

02:20:08.000 Games are fun for people.

02:20:10.000 They are fun.

02:20:10.000 You know?

02:20:10.000 Have you ever done Neil's VR quest things where you put on a VR helmet and go to a fucking warehouse and...

02:20:15.000 Once, yeah. 0.99

02:20:17.000 Fight gargoyles and shit? 0.99

02:20:18.000 No, I was dancing. 0.99

02:20:19.000 I was in a VR dance like with this robot with John Spiker.

02:20:24.000 John Spiker had a VR helmet and I was with him and his wife in Lake Arrowhead and we were drunk and having fun and then I was dancing with a robot and then I got dizzy.

02:20:36.000 I got pretty dizzy.

02:20:38.000 You're not really sure the ground is real.

02:20:40.000 It's weird.

02:20:41.000 It's weird. 0.77

02:20:42.000 The thought of it is disconcerting because you're like, it's so, the sound, the visual, the actual depth of space, you know, you're like in a real setting and then you come out and you're like, this isn't as fun as that and that's fucking weird.

02:21:00.000 Like, that's scary.

02:21:02.000 That's where we're at.

02:21:03.000 Oh, yeah.

02:21:04.000 That's where the future is.

02:21:05.000 Because right now it's still pretty crude.

02:21:07.000 You can still definitely tell it's not real life.

02:21:09.000 But how long is that going to last?

02:21:12.000 They're so...

02:21:12.000 Duncan, speaking of Duncan, had the very first HTC Vive, which is one of the very first consumer virtual reality headsets you could buy.

02:21:22.000 And he was like an early adopter.

02:21:25.000 So when Duncan...

02:21:26.000 When they were first going through it, you'd put his helmet on, it was attached to a PC via all these cables, and you couldn't move very far.

02:21:34.000 You had a very small area you could move in.

02:21:36.000 And everything was really, really, really pixelated.

02:21:39.000 Like, in no way did it look real.

02:21:41.000 It looked more like some sort of an old-school video game, right?

02:21:46.000 Okay.

02:21:46.000 But then, I came back and I did this podcast again two years later, and I tried the new one.

02:21:52.000 And the new one was way better.

02:21:54.000 I was like, whoa. 1.00

02:21:55.000 And the new one, I was at the bottom of the ocean, a whale swam by, and I looked right in the whale's eyeballs, I was like, holy fuck, dude. 0.99

02:22:01.000 And he's like, bro, you should see the porn! 0.99

02:22:05.000 That's what Duncan sounds like.

02:22:07.000 And I was like, no, they don't.

02:22:09.000 He goes, yes, they do!

02:22:11.000 And there was quite a few things you could do.

02:22:14.000 There was one archery game.

02:22:15.000 It was amazing.

02:22:16.000 It was almost like South Park-style characters were bouncing towards you.

02:22:22.000 And they would try to kill you, and then you would shoot at them like Roman times, like barbarians were attacking your castle. 0.99

02:22:27.000 And you'd be on this castle with a bow and arrow, and you'd be shooting at these South Park-looking shapes, but it was fucking crazy. 0.99

02:22:33.000 Did you kill Kenny? 1.00

02:22:34.000 I killed all the Kennys. 0.82

02:22:35.000 But the problem is, you're so tired, because your arms are just doing this for minutes and minutes, and you're exhausted. 0.96

02:22:43.000 My shoulders are tired.

02:22:44.000 Everything was tired.

02:22:46.000 Don't they have VR workouts like you do?

02:22:49.000 Oh yeah, for sure.

02:22:49.000 So you're like, you know, training with Olympians and stuff?

02:22:52.000 There's some great boxing games that make you super nervous.

02:22:54.000 You feel like you're boxing someone. 0.99

02:22:56.000 You got headgear on and this big Russian dude with a fucking cross on his chest is coming towards you and throwing punches at you. 1.00

02:23:02.000 That's terrifying. 1.00

02:23:02.000 It's nuts. 1.00

02:23:03.000 They're cartoon looking.

02:23:04.000 They look like Mike Tyson punch out type characters.

02:23:07.000 They're cartoon looking.

02:23:08.000 Can you feel?

02:23:09.000 No, no, but you see white when they hit you. 0.58

02:23:12.000 Oh, that's weird.

02:23:13.000 That's disorienting.

02:23:14.000 Yeah, well, it's like it would feel like if, you know, eventually they'll probably have some haptic feelback.

02:23:19.000 Do you ever feel like the more...

02:23:19.000 That is now.

02:23:20.000 I was going to say, I was reading about one just yesterday that's opened up.

02:23:23.000 I think it's called Dreamscape, and they have, like, an animal thing.

02:23:26.000 And, like, you have sensors on your hand, and, like, the kids are saying, like...

02:23:29.000 I felt like I was touching the animals.

02:23:31.000 Yeah, dude, I did that.

02:23:32.000 Dreamscape, they have it in Century City.

02:23:33.000 But the difference between that is it's not like a fight with a thing.

02:23:37.000 The boxing one, it's a real workout.

02:23:41.000 The Dreamscape one's just fun.

02:23:42.000 They have one that's an alien zoo, and there's a thing.

02:23:46.000 This alien comes towards you, and you put your hand on its head.

02:23:49.000 They have a guy working there, and he's got a little foam rubber thing, and he puts it right where the head should be, and you touch it. 0.99

02:23:56.000 But you really feel like you might be touching this alien's fucking head. 0.98

02:23:59.000 I mean, I will say, I feel like there was like a little piece of my humanity that was lost when I was in a VR situation where I came back and I'm like, like I lost time or something. 0.99

02:24:12.000 Yeah.

02:24:13.000 What you said is best is that it's more fun sometimes than regular life.

02:24:17.000 And it's crude.

02:24:19.000 Yeah.

02:24:19.000 When it's complicated.

02:24:21.000 Yeah.

02:24:21.000 This is the argument for simulation theory.

02:24:23.000 The argument for simulation theory is we know it's coming.

02:24:26.000 One day, if things keep...

02:24:28.000 If you go back to like the Model T... You don't think it's already here?

02:24:31.000 It might be.

02:24:31.000 I don't know.

02:24:32.000 I don't know.

02:24:32.000 But if you go back to like the Model T and then look at like a modern, brand new BMW. Like the amount of technology involved in this shift is so radical and so crazy.

02:24:44.000 And not that long.

02:24:45.000 Like a hundred years or so.

02:24:47.000 Imagine.

02:24:48.000 What it's going to be like 100 years from now, because things are just speeding up so fast.

02:24:53.000 Well, we're still going to be alive, apparently.

02:24:54.000 Probably, according to this dude, Aubrey DeGray.

02:24:56.000 Aubrey DeGray.

02:24:57.000 So the stuff that we're seeing now in terms of virtual reality, this is just the tip of the iceberg.

02:25:04.000 Yeah.

02:25:05.000 Yeah, it's weird. 0.99

02:25:06.000 Some freaky shit. 0.98

02:25:07.000 You're going to be able to stay home and do concerts, though. 1.00

02:25:11.000 That's the goal.

02:25:11.000 We could already do that, though.

02:25:13.000 That shit's already available. 0.98

02:25:14.000 Yeah, but I mean, have it be fully immersive, like someone's on stage with you. 0.99

02:25:20.000 Oh, gosh.

02:25:21.000 Like someone, that Jameson event.

02:25:22.000 You can never replace a live show.

02:25:25.000 I don't know if you're right.

02:25:27.000 I do.

02:25:28.000 I do.

02:25:28.000 I don't know if you're right.

02:25:29.000 I think you're right.

02:25:30.000 I think you're right, but I don't know if you're right.

02:25:31.000 And I don't think...

02:25:32.000 I think we're limited to what we understand people are capable of right now.

02:25:37.000 I don't...

02:25:38.000 I think until our actual like resources collapse and you can't go outside and you have to live in a bubble, nothing can replace a live music show or a live comedy show like when you're right there.

02:25:50.000 I think you're right for now.

02:25:52.000 Until the VR gives you the like breath, the wind on your face and the fucking heat from the pyrotechnics or whatever. 0.89

02:25:58.000 By the way, I was at the Grammys when you played and the pyrotechnics were I was like There was fire on stage. 0.56

02:26:06.000 Suzanne, I don't think they're very far away from being able to transmit a more immersive experience than being there live.

02:26:12.000 Man, call me a purist.

02:26:15.000 Me too. 1.00

02:26:15.000 That fucking sucks. 1.00

02:26:16.000 It does suck. 1.00

02:26:17.000 That sucks. 1.00

02:26:17.000 It sucks. 1.00

02:26:18.000 You're going to get a bunch of people that are just glued to that machine. 0.99

02:26:22.000 I can't.

02:26:23.000 Sorry, go ahead.

02:26:23.000 No, you first.

02:26:24.000 No, go ahead.

02:26:26.000 The question is, don't forget your thought.

02:26:29.000 That's not the question.

02:26:30.000 That was a request.

02:26:32.000 The question is, I can't believe that you could replace the energy that you get from a live performance with virtual reality.

02:26:47.000 I can't believe or subscribe to that thought, that it is going to be manufactured digitally.

02:26:58.000 Right, I see what you're saying.

02:27:00.000 Like you can get all the effects of the sensory stuff with the sound and the visual and maybe even have machinery that gives you physical like air or heat or cold or whatever would you know simulate that thing but I can't at the core of my being thinks I think that you could substitute the energy that you feel when you connect with a room full of people.

02:27:27.000 Cheers.

02:27:27.000 Love you guys.

02:27:28.000 This is so much fun.

02:27:30.000 Salute.

02:27:30.000 Do you know what I'm saying?

02:27:31.000 I do.

02:27:32.000 I completely agree with you, but I don't.

02:27:34.000 Okay.

02:27:35.000 I saw Tupac live at Coachella.

02:27:37.000 Me too!

02:27:37.000 That was the year we were...

02:27:38.000 He was so jacked.

02:27:39.000 It's like Tupac's been doing CrossFit, right?

02:27:42.000 Tupac was super jacked.

02:27:44.000 But was that the same thing?

02:27:47.000 No, it's not the same thing, but I'm kind of in the middle.

02:27:53.000 I feel like you gotta...

02:27:54.000 This is what I think.

02:27:55.000 I really think this.

02:27:57.000 Right now, you're right.

02:27:58.000 Right now, you can't be at a show where you're on stage live and get that same exact experience if you were at home on a computer or with a VR goggle.

02:28:11.000 I feel like right now, yes.

02:28:13.000 But in the future...

02:28:15.000 They might be able to get to the point where it's better to do it through VR because I'm standing right next to you while you're singing on stage.

02:28:23.000 Last thought.

02:28:24.000 The intimacy of the crowd experience.

02:28:27.000 You're right. 1.00

02:28:27.000 Where you can look to your neighbors and be like, fuck yes. 1.00

02:28:31.000 You're so right. 1.00

02:28:32.000 But you know what replaces that?

02:28:33.000 You can't simulate that.

02:28:33.000 One way.

02:28:34.000 What?

02:28:34.000 You can't simulate that.

02:28:36.000 Incels that finally find an online community and when they meet in virtual reality. 0.97

02:28:41.000 Goddammit!

02:28:41.000 They meet in virtual reality.

02:28:43.000 Not only is it more satisfying than real life has ever been for them, it's the only way.

02:28:47.000 Nothing's better than real intimacy.

02:28:49.000 They don't have that.

02:28:49.000 It's not happening.

02:28:50.000 I don't know, man.

02:28:50.000 But this might be the only way where they can recreate some sense of community through digital entanglement.

02:28:57.000 Like through these VR goggles.

02:28:59.000 Nothing's better than real sexual entanglement.

02:29:03.000 You're so right, but for some people that's not possible.

02:29:06.000 They can't digitize that. 0.98

02:29:07.000 Unless you feel like fucking Gary Coleman. 0.99

02:29:08.000 I'm angry! 0.99

02:29:11.000 Some people are not going to catch the right break.

02:29:14.000 They don't have a good hand of cards.

02:29:16.000 Gary, help me.

02:29:18.000 I can't.

02:29:19.000 I can't.

02:29:22.000 You know what I'm saying? 0.99

02:29:24.000 We would love everybody to get fucking four aces. 0.99

02:29:27.000 Is this where we're headed, folks? 0.99

02:29:27.000 Is this it? 0.99

02:29:29.000 This is our peak.

02:29:30.000 I don't think this is the worst thing that could ever happen to us.

02:29:32.000 I think this is just a problem and a puzzle.

02:29:35.000 I think the way we handle these problems and puzzles is what's going to define our future.

02:29:39.000 That's what I think.

02:29:40.000 And I think there's a lot of old school people with old school ideas that are trying to keep things running the same way they were when there's no internet and no accountability.

02:29:48.000 I think there's a healthy level of evolving and integrating and also not going full throttle robot.

02:29:55.000 There's all these things, but there's so many things happening at the same time that can affect your life forever that you can't pay attention to all of them. 0.86

02:30:02.000 And that includes industrial waste and chemicals and fucking life and sucking all the tuna out of the ocean. 0.99

02:30:10.000 So where's the bunker? 0.98

02:30:12.000 That's a good question.

02:30:13.000 Where's the party bunker?

02:30:15.000 There's a lot of questions, right?

02:30:17.000 How does this play out? 0.92

02:30:18.000 Do we fucking figure this thing out before the canoe gets to the waterfall? 0.97

02:30:22.000 Well, in all transparency though, like when it comes down to it, like the end, I'm not afraid to die. 1.00

02:30:28.000 Whoa, this bitch is crazy. 1.00

02:30:29.000 I'm really not. 1.00

02:30:31.000 I mean, I don't want to suffer and burn in nuclear waste and be in that aftermath.

02:30:42.000 I really don't want that.

02:30:43.000 But if it's lights out, I'm pretty spiritual, so I'm sort of curious.

02:30:51.000 What's next?

02:30:52.000 Yeah. 0.97

02:30:53.000 And then if there's nothing, then what the fuck do I care? 0.90

02:30:56.000 Yeah, it is really, right? 0.96

02:30:58.000 This is what I've always said.

02:30:59.000 Everyone wants to go to sleep, but everyone's scared to die.

02:31:05.000 Right?

02:31:05.000 Everyone's looking forward to sleep.

02:31:06.000 Like, oh, I can't wait to shut off and hope I come back.

02:31:11.000 I want to just be vulnerable for eight hours.

02:31:14.000 Sounds good.

02:31:14.000 See ya.

02:31:15.000 God, first of all, as someone who's been deprived of sleep, I love it.

02:31:20.000 Well, you're giving it to the robot overlords to remap your brain.

02:31:23.000 I know.

02:31:24.000 I actually don't know who's speaking to you right now.

02:31:26.000 It's somebody else.

02:31:28.000 Some pilot in the back of your brain.

02:31:30.000 Tell them you've never been happier, Suzanne.

02:31:33.000 Gary Clark, Jr. Suzanne, shut the pod bay door. 1.00

02:31:39.000 Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. 0.99

02:31:43.000 It's a matter of time before we integrate with whatever the fuck is the future. 0.99

02:31:47.000 It's a matter of time. 0.98

02:31:48.000 We're hanging out.

02:31:49.000 We're heirloom people.

02:31:50.000 We're like the last group of people.

02:31:52.000 I mean, I'm the oldest of all of us.

02:31:53.000 I'm 52, which means when I was a kid, no one even thought of the internet.

02:31:57.000 He's in the best shape of all of us, though.

02:31:59.000 I'm hanging in there.

02:32:00.000 I have ideas. 0.93

02:32:01.000 I'm going right into my house and be like, babe, I gotta get my shit together. 0.94

02:32:05.000 Ha ha ha! 0.98

02:32:07.000 Ha ha ha!

02:32:10.000 Ha ha ha!

02:32:14.000 Oh my god, I want to see that look on your face when you say those words.

02:32:18.000 Oh yeah, like you did the same time last year?

02:32:22.000 Great.

02:32:24.000 I'll be taking care of these children. 1.00

02:32:26.000 Fuck yeah. 1.00

02:32:28.000 That's hilarious. 1.00

02:32:29.000 That's hilarious.

02:32:32.000 What is that quote?

02:32:35.000 Inspiration is like bathing.

02:32:38.000 It's effective, but it must be done daily.

02:32:40.000 Is that it?

02:32:41.000 That's a quote?

02:32:42.000 It's a quote like that.

02:32:43.000 I forget who said it.

02:32:44.000 Inspiration is like bathing?

02:32:45.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:32:46.000 It's effective, but it must be done daily.

02:32:48.000 I can hang with that.

02:32:51.000 Inspire yourself.

02:32:51.000 I brutally and really unpoetically paraphrase that.

02:32:55.000 Do you know how I, back to having the blues, having depression and stuff?

02:33:01.000 Is that Bertrand Russell?

02:33:03.000 First thing that popped up is Zig Ziglar.

02:33:05.000 I've also changed a little bit.

02:33:06.000 I've seen 10 variations of inspiration.

02:33:09.000 Like a shower you need a daily inspiration, bathing, blah, blah, blah.

02:33:11.000 Jamie's so on it.

02:33:13.000 He's the best.

02:33:14.000 He's the best.

02:33:14.000 He's the GOAT. I know.

02:33:16.000 I love that guy.

02:33:17.000 But back to inspiring yourself.

02:33:22.000 Man, whenever I've been really in it, in my head and down, If I just read a book?

02:33:31.000 Just something that takes your brain away from what you're concentrating on currently?

02:33:34.000 Yeah, where I just like develop a new story or inspiration or like even just like jargon.

02:33:39.000 You're getting new words.

02:33:40.000 There's something about it that's really empowering.

02:33:42.000 You know, I watched a movie again real recently that I haven't seen in quite a long time.

02:33:48.000 It's called...

02:33:48.000 Jurassic Park?

02:33:49.000 No, I've seen that like 80 times.

02:33:51.000 Sorry.

02:33:52.000 It's called Happy People.

02:33:54.000 Life on the Taiga.

02:33:55.000 It's a Werner Herzog documentary. 0.95

02:33:58.000 It's a great documentary about these really, really, really fucking happy people. 0.98

02:34:02.000 And they live in Siberia. 0.98

02:34:04.000 And there's 300 of them in this town.

02:34:06.000 And some of them are trappers, and some of them are hunters, and some of them go out and They pick pine nuts and they grind them in this old-fashioned wood machine.

02:34:14.000 They have dogs everywhere.

02:34:15.000 They live on the base of this river and they scratch and claw and get by every year.

02:34:20.000 They know what to do. 1.00

02:34:21.000 They work every fucking day. 1.00

02:34:22.000 They get up. 1.00

02:34:23.000 They run nets through the ice in order to catch pike. 1.00

02:34:26.000 Are these where the kids have hawks on their hands and eagles?

02:34:29.000 No, no, no.

02:34:29.000 Okay, sorry.

02:34:30.000 I think you're thinking of Mongols. 1.00

02:34:31.000 Fuck. 1.00

02:34:31.000 These people live in this really, really, really inhospitable, cold as fuck area. 1.00

02:34:37.000 The river's only thawed for like two or three months out of the whole year. 0.99

02:34:40.000 The river. 1.00

02:34:41.000 The fucking river! 1.00

02:34:42.000 It's a great documentary, but I watched it again. 0.99

02:34:45.000 And the thing about it is Werner Herzog.

02:34:48.000 Simplicity?

02:34:48.000 Werner Herzog is one of my favorite documentarians because he's so passionate about fascinating things.

02:34:54.000 Whether it's this or Grizzly Man or the one about the...

02:34:58.000 The cave paintings in France, there's this amazing documentary about these 40,000, I believe it's 40,000 year old cave paintings they found in this cave in France. 0.99

02:35:09.000 We're like, what in the fuck? 0.96

02:35:11.000 Imagine what these people's lives were like. 0.99

02:35:13.000 These creative people that were becoming what we are today, but only 40,000 years ago.

02:35:19.000 So they're probably really fucking similar to what we are. 0.98

02:35:23.000 And these people were just Barely clawing by, living in fucking caves in France. 0.99

02:35:29.000 And there's cats and lions and oxen and all these crazy animals they're depicting on the walls. 0.99

02:35:34.000 These caves where they raise their families and hope they didn't get eaten.

02:35:40.000 I think that's what it is, though.

02:35:42.000 No, I think that it's simplicity.

02:35:44.000 It is simplicity.

02:35:45.000 It's like love, sustenance, and intimacy.

02:35:51.000 Community.

02:35:52.000 Community.

02:35:52.000 Everything, like bonds.

02:35:54.000 I always said this about prison.

02:35:57.000 What's the worst thing they can do?

02:35:59.000 They put you in solitary.

02:36:00.000 Yeah, isolation.

02:36:01.000 They take you away from rapists, murderers, and thieves.

02:36:04.000 And they put you by yourself and you're like, no!

02:36:07.000 Get me in general population, I'll take my chances.

02:36:09.000 You'd rather take your chances.

02:36:11.000 You know what I loved about your Bernie Sanders episode was he said that there's an epidemic in this country and it's a lack of community.

02:36:21.000 Yes.

02:36:21.000 And I thought that was really profound.

02:36:23.000 He's right.

02:36:23.000 He is right.

02:36:25.000 Half of us don't know our neighbors.

02:36:30.000 And so since I've been home for a while since my last tour, which has been like crazy, I've really enjoyed immersing myself in my community and getting to know people where I get my coffee.

02:36:43.000 And it feels so good to walk in.

02:36:48.000 And have them be like, hey Suze, you want your latte? 0.99

02:36:51.000 You want your oat milk latte?

02:36:53.000 And I'm like, yes!

02:36:54.000 Thank you!

02:36:55.000 It's a little thing, but it's not.

02:36:58.000 You know, you have recognition and people see each other and that goes a long way.

02:37:02.000 It does.

02:37:03.000 It really does.

02:37:04.000 It does.

02:37:04.000 Knowing your neighbors is a good feeling.

02:37:06.000 Having a community is a good feeling.

02:37:08.000 That's one of the things that we were talking about.

02:37:10.000 It's an indication of health.

02:37:12.000 Sure.

02:37:13.000 Or an indicator of poor health, too, is when you don't have those connections.

02:37:16.000 People feel real lost.

02:37:17.000 Yeah.

02:37:17.000 They don't have a sense of community.

02:37:19.000 And that's one of the things that any sort of thing can provide them and that's why it's dangerous to get lumped up in groups because some groups are toxic and you just get you really want camaraderie that's like that's what gangs are all about right like people grow up in like real bad circumstances and together through a group they find loyalty and unity and they get compelled to act in the interest of that group even if it's like really dangerous illegal shit. 0.88

02:37:42.000 And so they do it out of love.

02:37:44.000 They do a negative thing for a positive reason because they want love.

02:37:49.000 I think we all do that.

02:37:51.000 We all do that with our ideologies.

02:37:52.000 We do it with our religions.

02:37:53.000 We do it with so many different things we do.

02:37:55.000 We do it because we want love.

02:37:57.000 But we're failing to understand the mechanisms that are at work that are causing us to be a fundamentalist or a reactionary or really a radical person on one side or the other.

02:38:09.000 It's like we really just want to be loved.

02:38:11.000 But it's so simple.

02:38:13.000 Yeah, it is so simple.

02:38:14.000 There's so many things convoluting that.

02:38:15.000 It's hard for people to admit.

02:38:16.000 Yeah.

02:38:17.000 I mean, well, I was telling you guys earlier about the LAFC, the Los Angeles Football Club.

02:38:23.000 I went to my second game yesterday.

02:38:25.000 It was their season opener.

02:38:27.000 And, you know, I'm a diehard Cleveland sports fan.

02:38:30.000 I love where I'm from.

02:38:31.000 I love the tribe.

02:38:32.000 I love the Cavs.

02:38:33.000 I love the Browns, but I kind of have a beef with the NFL. Let's not get into it.

02:38:38.000 Someone's very Cleveland-centric.

02:38:40.000 Well, you know, it's just like, I love the Browns, but like, my God.

02:38:44.000 Let me ask you a Cleveland question, if you're so high and mighty on Cleveland. 1.00

02:38:46.000 Oh, shit. 0.99

02:38:48.000 Who's the UFC heavyweight champion of the world? 1.00

02:38:51.000 Fuck. 1.00

02:38:52.000 Stipe Miocic. 1.00

02:38:53.000 Where does Stipe live? 1.00

02:38:56.000 Motherfucking Cleveland. 0.99

02:38:57.000 But you said UFC. South U. What's that? 0.99

02:39:00.000 Euclid, bro.

02:39:01.000 Euclid?

02:39:01.000 Yeah, it's a neighbor.

02:39:02.000 Thanks for that. 0.99

02:39:04.000 First of all, money, the water, the fucking Ohio, and it took over. 0.99

02:39:08.000 But hold up. 0.99

02:39:10.000 He's the greatest heavyweight of all time.

02:39:12.000 Do you know that the UFC's greatest, most accomplished heavyweight of all time is Liv's and from Cleveland. 0.99

02:39:18.000 Shut your mouth. 0.99

02:39:20.000 He claims Cleveland. 1.00

02:39:21.000 Shut your mouth, Jamie! 1.00

02:39:23.000 He claims Cleveland! 0.99

02:39:25.000 But he's a great guy. 1.00

02:39:26.000 He's a monster.

02:39:27.000 I am not as educated on the UFC front. 0.96

02:39:30.000 Educate yourself.

02:39:31.000 In all transparency, I know this is boxing, but I did watch the Wilder Fury fight.

02:39:39.000 Did not like it at all.

02:39:41.000 It made me very sad.

02:39:43.000 Did you watch it live?

02:39:45.000 Yeah, sure did.

02:39:46.000 In between a poker game.

02:39:48.000 Have you seen a boxing match live before?

02:39:50.000 No, oh no, I watched it on the television.

02:39:53.000 Oh, that's not live?

02:39:54.000 Where are you from? 1.00

02:39:55.000 I'm from Cleveland, you asshole! 1.00

02:39:59.000 Suck my dick! 1.00

02:40:00.000 Suck my dick! 1.00

02:40:02.000 No, but let me get back to it. 1.00

02:40:04.000 The point is... 0.99

02:40:06.000 God damn it. 0.99

02:40:10.000 Look, I want to get into the UFC a little bit more, but I get a little tripped up by it. 0.98

02:40:15.000 But what I wanted to say about...

02:40:17.000 No, first of all, I love you.

02:40:19.000 And I want to go to a match.

02:40:20.000 Anytime.

02:40:21.000 Really?

02:40:22.000 Yes, anytime.

02:40:23.000 Cool.

02:40:23.000 You want to go next weekend?

02:40:25.000 I'm going to be on tour.

02:40:26.000 Okay.

02:40:27.000 Anytime.

02:40:27.000 You want to go?

02:40:29.000 Gary should go.

02:40:30.000 UFC Vegas.

02:40:31.000 Gary, you should go.

02:40:32.000 Do you want to go?

02:40:33.000 UFC Vegas.

02:40:34.000 Yeah, I do, actually.

02:40:34.000 Okay, you're in.

02:40:36.000 But when I'm in town next, let's go together.

02:40:38.000 Have a good time on tour.

02:40:39.000 I feel sad. 0.99

02:40:40.000 Gary and I will be watching people fuck each other up. 1.00

02:40:41.000 God damn it. 1.00

02:40:42.000 Gary, you've been to a few of them, right? 1.00

02:40:43.000 Getting some FOMO. I have been to a few.

02:40:44.000 Yeah.

02:40:45.000 Getting some FOMO. Hey, back to the community thing.

02:40:48.000 Gary gets that first row love. 1.00

02:40:49.000 Son of a bitch. 1.00

02:40:51.000 Ooh, that first row love. 1.00

02:40:54.000 In my face, it just comes back full circle.

02:40:57.000 Oh, I'm sorry.

02:41:02.000 Cheers.

02:41:03.000 Well played.

02:41:04.000 Cheers to all you guys. 1.00

02:41:04.000 Well played, you assholes. 1.00

02:41:08.000 Oh my god. 1.00

02:41:10.000 What I wanted to say was, I know it's taking me ten minutes to get her.

02:41:15.000 The LAFC My team has been constructed by some pretty great folks in LA like Will Ferrell's a big impetus behind the team and Mia Hamm and all these great folks that kind of tailored it to Los Angeles and my first game I've never felt that kind of pride in Los Angeles.

02:41:40.000 I've always sort of felt like a transplant here, and I've been here for almost 20 years.

02:41:44.000 And it was incredible.

02:41:48.000 The game itself is mind-blowing.

02:41:51.000 It's non-stop in the physical feat of...

02:41:54.000 And I grew up playing soccer, so I love to watch it.

02:41:56.000 I love to play.

02:41:56.000 It's great.

02:41:57.000 But the sense of community here, And the enthusiasm and just the way that they have built the stadium in downtown Los Angeles, it was heavy.

02:42:12.000 Wow, look at you.

02:42:12.000 You went hand to heart.

02:42:14.000 I did.

02:42:14.000 I felt it deeply.

02:42:15.000 You went fist to heart.

02:42:16.000 I felt it so deeply.

02:42:17.000 You can make fun of me all you want.

02:42:18.000 Look at that gorgeous stadium.

02:42:20.000 That is beautiful.

02:42:21.000 Now, were you a soccer fan, excuse me, football fan? 0.99

02:42:24.000 Can we just come up with one fucking name? 0.99

02:42:26.000 We can't call it football, okay? 0.99

02:42:28.000 Why not?

02:42:29.000 It's too late.

02:42:29.000 Because we have American football and we have all the missiles.

02:42:31.000 Yeah, that's fine.

02:42:32.000 Listen, we're not interested in changing the name of football.

02:42:35.000 Alright.

02:42:36.000 Tell us more.

02:42:37.000 Go ahead. 1.00

02:42:38.000 This is us shit. 1.00

02:42:39.000 We're all in this together. 1.00

02:42:40.000 I'm just talking about names.

02:42:42.000 I don't even like football. 1.00

02:42:43.000 I think if they're real men, they'd take those fucking helmets off. 1.00

02:42:46.000 This is nonsense. 1.00

02:42:47.000 Oh, football, football.

02:42:48.000 Not football.

02:42:49.000 Nonsense. 1.00

02:42:50.000 Get the fuck out of here. 1.00

02:42:51.000 Let's be clear. 1.00

02:42:52.000 By the way, all you savages, I'm joking. 1.00

02:42:53.000 These are just jokes. 1.00

02:43:05.000 I think you should play football from fucking hamster wheels. 1.00

02:43:09.000 Just giant hamster wheels slamming each other. 1.00

02:43:12.000 If you're going to have shoulder pads, let's pad up the fucking entire area around you. 0.99

02:43:16.000 Why are we playing games? 0.99

02:43:17.000 We're going to protect you a little bit.

02:43:19.000 Let's protect you all the way.

02:43:21.000 Hands to wheels. 1.00

02:43:22.000 Oh my god, you're so fucked. 1.00

02:43:22.000 Everyone inside Ferris wheels slamming into each other from a distance of like hundreds of yards. 1.00

02:43:28.000 You're in the center powering it.

02:43:29.000 You're slamming each other.

02:43:30.000 Let's eliminate CTE. Make this fun for everybody.

02:43:33.000 We just need bigger.

02:43:34.000 We need golf court sized areas to play on.

02:43:37.000 Yeah, man.

02:43:38.000 Yeah.

02:43:38.000 Get some views.

02:43:43.000 That's actually not even men.

02:43:45.000 That was the guys in the transitionary period.

02:43:47.000 They were transitioning.

02:43:49.000 See, the original men wore leather helmets.

02:43:54.000 Well, here's the thing.

02:43:55.000 Here's a little shout out to our Native American friends. 0.99

02:43:58.000 One of the problems when they first started inventing football is the Native American teams would Fuck up the white teams. 1.00

02:44:06.000 So they had these dudes who were college educated and trying to learn how to play this new game. 0.98

02:44:13.000 And these Native American dudes would put the smash down on them. 1.00

02:44:16.000 The fucking old school, angry that the grandpa got scalped. 1.00

02:44:22.000 Land got stolen. 1.00

02:44:23.000 As they should be.

02:44:24.000 Yeah.

02:44:25.000 They've been hunting bison for a thousand generations.

02:44:28.000 Put that real smack down.

02:44:29.000 But it wasn't like they were making millions of dollars each player.

02:44:33.000 This is a new thing, though.

02:44:35.000 They had real jobs and then football.

02:44:37.000 Yeah.

02:44:38.000 So this is the story.

02:44:38.000 If you Google how American Indians saved the sport of football, it's an amazing story.

02:44:46.000 And it's really the origins of the beginning of football.

02:44:48.000 They barely had pads. 0.96

02:44:50.000 They had these little shoulder fucking things that dudes have now in sport coats to make themselves look like they're more boxy. 0.99

02:44:59.000 Crazy. 0.99

02:45:00.000 It's the male equivalent of a push-up bra. 0.81

02:45:02.000 There's a dude with, like, padded shoulders and a sport coat.

02:45:06.000 I thought of that before, but yeah.

02:45:07.000 It is.

02:45:07.000 That's exactly what it is.

02:45:08.000 They're that weird little thing.

02:45:10.000 Like, ho ho, I'm a general. 0.58

02:45:11.000 Yeah, whenever I buy, like, a vintage jacket, I take the shoulder pads out because I feel like a douchebag.

02:45:17.000 You're a rebel. 1.00

02:45:20.000 Suck my dick! 1.00

02:45:21.000 I can't. 1.00

02:45:25.000 I think there was an NPR, like a Radiolab podcast on...

02:45:30.000 That's what this is about, yeah.

02:45:31.000 Oh, I love Radiolab.

02:45:32.000 19 people died playing football.

02:45:35.000 Bro.

02:45:37.000 How many people playing, even?

02:45:39.000 Wait, was that in a year?

02:45:41.000 Yeah, 19 people died playing it.

02:45:43.000 What's the timeline?

02:45:45.000 One year.

02:45:45.000 Oh my god.

02:45:47.000 Those people are different.

02:45:49.000 I'm going to duck out for a second.

02:45:50.000 Gary's got to pee.

02:45:51.000 Gary's got to pee.

02:45:53.000 Get it.

02:45:53.000 I have to pee, too.

02:45:54.000 Suzanne, keep it together until Gary gets back. 0.96

02:45:57.000 This is an epic one.

02:45:58.000 Take one for the team.

02:45:59.000 We're like three and a half hours in, I think.

02:46:01.000 I saw that, and I just looked at my phone.

02:46:02.000 We should probably play a song when Gary comes back.

02:46:05.000 100%. 0.98

02:46:05.000 We should do whatever the fuck we want. 0.98

02:46:07.000 Exhaust your fan base. 0.99

02:46:07.000 No, this is amazing. 0.99

02:46:09.000 Here's the thing.

02:46:10.000 They don't have to listen.

02:46:11.000 The whole reason this podcast became successful, Ari Shafir, who I know and love, he's my brother.

02:46:16.000 I think I met him once.

02:46:17.000 I love Ari to death.

02:46:18.000 I love him.

02:46:18.000 He's amazing.

02:46:19.000 But Ari gave me the worst advice ever, and I talk about it often.

02:46:22.000 He's like, you gotta edit.

02:46:23.000 You can't have your podcast four hours long.

02:46:25.000 I go, why not?

02:46:26.000 He goes, they're not going to listen to all of it.

02:46:28.000 I go, well, then they don't have to.

02:46:29.000 I'm pretty sure the last Honey Honey podcast were about three hours to change.

02:46:34.000 And he fully admits it, by the way.

02:46:36.000 But it's not a knock on Ari.

02:46:38.000 No one knew what was going on back then.

02:46:39.000 I was just stubborn.

02:46:40.000 Yeah.

02:46:41.000 I think you've done a great job doing it your way.

02:46:45.000 I salute that.

02:46:47.000 Joe, you've had a big hand in my career and what's gone on with Honey Honey and how you've supported us.

02:46:58.000 There's something very special about just doing it your way, not tailoring it to anyone else's agenda.

02:47:07.000 It's pretty fucking cool what you're doing, my friend.

02:47:09.000 The crazy thing is that it happened 100% organically. 0.90

02:47:13.000 There was no preconception.

02:47:16.000 There was no idea that this was going to happen.

02:47:18.000 Just keep doing it and do what you like and then eventually it happens.

02:47:21.000 But when you and I went to see Sturgill, how fun was that?

02:47:25.000 So good.

02:47:25.000 How fun was that?

02:47:26.000 So good.

02:47:27.000 But I enjoyed that so much.

02:47:30.000 Me too.

02:47:30.000 Because like...

02:47:32.000 We went to see another one of our friends in this real cool, intimate setting.

02:47:37.000 I don't know Sturgill.

02:47:39.000 You worked with him, no?

02:47:40.000 Never met him, but I love him.

02:47:42.000 Jesus Christ, but didn't there was some communication back and forth?

02:47:45.000 So we both worked with Dave Cobb on Honey Honey's last record was produced by Dave Cobb, and he does all of Sturgill's records for the most part, I think.

02:47:54.000 That is crazy.

02:47:54.000 I would have swore that you guys had met.

02:47:56.000 No, I've never met him.

02:47:57.000 A huge fan.

02:47:59.000 Love him. 0.99

02:47:59.000 But I told you, I got mad at him at that one point where he did like an 11-minute guitar solo and it was shredding and it was fucking sick. 0.99

02:48:08.000 And then he said, Alright. 0.98

02:48:10.000 It's a little too much testosterone.

02:48:12.000 Let's tone it down for the ladies. 1.00

02:48:14.000 And he played like a love song.

02:48:17.000 And I was like, Ladies love rock and roll! 0.99

02:48:21.000 Sturgill! 0.99

02:48:21.000 He was just looking for a good segue, man. 0.99

02:48:24.000 First of all, I fucking love him, and I give him a free pass, but let me tell you, I like rock and roll. 0.97

02:48:29.000 You know who else I love? 0.95

02:48:30.000 Who?

02:48:30.000 That dude who's on the road with him right now, Tyler.

02:48:33.000 Tyler Childers.

02:48:34.000 Yeah, he's cool. 0.98

02:48:35.000 Goddamn, he's good. 0.96

02:48:36.000 He's super cool. 0.98

02:48:37.000 Both of his albums that I've listened to, I don't know if he has more than two.

02:48:40.000 Does he have more than two?

02:48:41.000 I don't know.

02:48:42.000 He's really good.

02:48:44.000 He's really authentic.

02:48:46.000 Yeah.

02:48:46.000 They're doing like stadiums, aren't they?

02:48:49.000 Arenas! 1.00

02:48:51.000 Arenas, bitch! 1.00

02:48:52.000 My bad. 1.00

02:48:54.000 Sorry.

02:48:55.000 I'll see myself out.

02:48:58.000 It's been fun, guys.

02:48:58.000 Sturgill told me he quit sugar.

02:49:00.000 He lost 20 pounds.

02:49:01.000 He sent me a text. 1.00

02:49:01.000 He was like, motherfucker, I lost 20 pounds. 1.00

02:49:03.000 I'm ready to do some fucking arenas. 1.00

02:49:05.000 Woo! 0.99

02:49:06.000 Oh, my God.

02:49:07.000 Can I pee now?

02:49:08.000 I'm going to pee now.

02:49:09.000 Who has three?

02:49:10.000 We should probably play because we're going on a three-hour podcast.

02:49:13.000 No, it's fine.

02:49:15.000 There's no one.

02:49:15.000 We have no boss.

02:49:17.000 You're right.

02:49:18.000 You're right.

02:49:19.000 Suzanne, good luck.

02:49:20.000 Thanks.

02:49:21.000 Return.

02:49:21.000 We're going to say nice things about you.

02:49:22.000 I don't know what's going to happen.

02:49:24.000 Take a left.

02:49:25.000 You're going the wrong way.

02:49:30.000 She said, I don't know what's going to happen.

02:49:33.000 Gary Clark.

02:49:34.000 Yeah, man.

02:49:34.000 Are you talking about Sturgill?

02:49:35.000 I love that dude to death.

02:49:37.000 Yeah, man.

02:49:38.000 He's one of my favorite people.

02:49:39.000 He's cool.

02:49:39.000 I saw you guys hanging.

02:49:42.000 That was a new introduction.

02:49:44.000 Dude, I love him.

02:49:45.000 Yeah, he's dope.

02:49:46.000 He's amazing.

02:49:47.000 I've had a bunch of fun experiences with him.

02:49:50.000 But one of them was like, I have a couple of buddies of mine that at the time they were living in Idaho.

02:49:54.000 They came down to visit me.

02:49:56.000 And I said, hey, I go, come on down. 0.98

02:49:59.000 And they said just like, they live in bum fuck Idaho, right, at the time. 0.97

02:50:04.000 Shout out to my friend Kenton. 0.98

02:50:06.000 Ken Kruth, First Light is a hunting apparel company, and my friend Ryan Callahan.

02:50:13.000 And they came with me to the Laugh Factory.

02:50:14.000 We were just hanging out.

02:50:15.000 And I said, hey, my friend Sturgill Simpson is going to come by.

02:50:18.000 And they were like, what?

02:50:23.000 And Sturgill shows up with one of his buddies like, what's up, man?

02:50:26.000 And they're like, and then we're all smoking weed. 0.99

02:50:28.000 And they're like, holy shit, we just smoked weed with Sturgill Simpson. 0.98

02:50:31.000 Sorry if I get you in trouble, Sturgill. 0.99

02:50:33.000 But, and then, you know, he goes, he goes, what in the fuck just happened? 0.98

02:50:36.000 Did we just smoke weed with Sturgill Simpson? 0.99

02:50:38.000 Yeah, man.

02:50:41.000 Like, yes!

02:50:42.000 That's what happened.

02:50:44.000 Not his last album, but the one before.

02:50:47.000 I didn't know.

02:50:48.000 I was supposed to not tweet it, but I was the one who broke his album.

02:50:51.000 I broke the cover.

02:50:52.000 I put it on my Instagram. 1.00

02:50:54.000 I said, this album is the shit. 1.00

02:50:55.000 What, he sent it to you or something? 1.00

02:50:56.000 He sent it to me.

02:50:58.000 I thought everybody already knew.

02:51:00.000 How far before the release?

02:51:02.000 It was pretty close.

02:51:04.000 It was pretty close.

02:51:06.000 It only helped.

02:51:07.000 Come on, man.

02:51:08.000 Of course. 1.00

02:51:09.000 All I'm saying is that it's the shit. 1.00

02:51:10.000 No, of course, man. 1.00

02:51:11.000 That's an amazing thing.

02:51:13.000 He's a unique dude.

02:51:16.000 It's hard to define him.

02:51:18.000 He's all over the place.

02:51:20.000 That's kind of what time it is though, I feel like.

02:51:22.000 I agree with you.

02:51:23.000 I agree with you.

02:51:26.000 People are complex.

02:51:28.000 Yes, and they should be.

02:51:30.000 We should be complex.

02:51:33.000 And then sometimes not.

02:51:34.000 I love ACDC. Yeah, there's that.

02:51:38.000 Yeah, that's okay though.

02:51:41.000 It's like, I don't think there's a right way or a wrong way.

02:51:44.000 I think it's great to have all sorts of different things.

02:51:46.000 For sure. 0.98

02:51:47.000 You know, a whole lot of Rosie's, that's a fucking song for the ages. 0.99

02:51:52.000 And it's a real simple song about a giant lady. 0.99

02:51:57.000 Well put.

02:51:58.000 You know?

02:51:59.000 It's a real simple song about a real large lady, and it's amazing.

02:52:04.000 A whole lot of Rosie is amazing.

02:52:08.000 I mean, a whole lot of Rosie, ACDC. I mean, come on.

02:52:13.000 Oh, yeah.

02:52:13.000 Come on, sister.

02:52:14.000 I'm here.

02:52:15.000 We need an equal word to come on, son.

02:52:19.000 Ooh.

02:52:20.000 To girls. 0.61

02:52:22.000 You know?

02:52:22.000 I mean, sister works.

02:52:24.000 We need an equal one.

02:52:25.000 I'm a big fan of the friendly, like, come on, hope.

02:52:27.000 You know, just in the friendly way, not in the negative way. 0.78

02:52:31.000 I like calling girls hookers, but in a fun way. 1.00

02:52:34.000 Like, when girls yell shit out in the audience, they're like, settle down, hooker. 1.00

02:52:38.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:52:38.000 But it's all love. 1.00

02:52:40.000 It's not, like, in a mean way. 0.99

02:52:42.000 I will say, I feel like you're the only person, the only person, and I mean that, and I don't say that lately, that I can laugh when you're like, yeah, bitch! 1.00

02:52:52.000 Well, listen. 0.98

02:52:53.000 You and I have been friends. 1.00

02:52:53.000 Because bitch is a tough one. 1.00

02:52:54.000 I know, I know. 1.00

02:52:54.000 You and I have been friends for almost a decade. 1.00

02:52:56.000 I know.

02:52:57.000 And it's all love. 1.00

02:52:57.000 Fuck. 1.00

02:52:58.000 Oh, my God. 1.00

02:52:59.000 It fell off.

02:52:59.000 Yeah, we met in 2011. Aw.

02:53:02.000 We did that End of the World show in 2012. That was fun.

02:53:06.000 We did a show.

02:53:07.000 It didn't end, apparently.

02:53:08.000 Supposedly, we're still here.

02:53:10.000 Cheers.

02:53:12.000 Honey Honey, Joey Diaz, Doug Stanhope, and I did a show at the Wiltern in Los Angeles on December 21st, 2012. That was the Terrence McKenna thing, the end of the Mayan calendar.

02:53:23.000 Right.

02:53:24.000 Terrence McKenna, he had a computer. 1.00

02:53:26.000 This is how deep that motherfucker ran. 0.99

02:53:29.000 He got so high, he came up with an algorithm based on the I Ching that was mapping out time. 1.00

02:53:35.000 It wasn't the Mayan calendar?

02:53:37.000 It was.

02:53:37.000 It was both.

02:53:38.000 Oh, okay.

02:53:39.000 It was the Mayan calendar.

02:53:39.000 It was novelty.

02:53:40.000 It was based on novelty.

02:53:41.000 It coincided with...

02:53:43.000 This is what happened.

02:53:44.000 He came up with a thing called novelty theory.

02:53:46.000 And novelty theory he based off the I Ching. 1.00

02:53:49.000 The I Ching, which is... 0.99

02:53:51.000 It's a divination system, a Chinese divination system, and they would throw these hexagrams, I believe it's hexagrams, and they would indicate a certain pattern and they would try to recognize this pattern.

02:54:03.000 Was it hexagrams? 0.99

02:54:04.000 What the fuck is this chain? 0.98

02:54:08.000 Anyway, they would throw these stones. 0.99

02:54:12.000 It's crazy.

02:54:13.000 Thank you.

02:54:15.000 So it's a Chinese method of divination that's more than a thousand years old.

02:54:18.000 And they were trying to conduct what McKenna believed.

02:54:23.000 This is what he believed the I Ching really was. 0.81

02:54:24.000 He believed it was a map of time.

02:54:26.000 And that they had, through some way, figured out through hexagrams to recognize that time was, it was mimicable.

02:54:35.000 You could capture it in hexagrams, in mathematics, in geometry.

02:54:41.000 Is this like a string theory kind of thing?

02:54:42.000 Almost.

02:54:43.000 All right.

02:54:44.000 And that you could come up with some sort of a system to this thing.

02:54:48.000 And he called that system time wave zero.

02:54:50.000 And what he thought that system was, he thought that was a system of recognizing novelty, like new ideas, creative things, whether it's the internet or internal combustion engine or the Tesla electric car,

02:55:05.000 anything where it was, where you could map that out and you could say, okay, If you looked at this as a mathematical algorithm and you saw how this was going to play out, you could almost predict patterns in this wave.

02:55:18.000 And where do you predict this happening and that happening?

02:55:21.000 And where does it end? 0.77

02:55:22.000 Where does it get to a point where it's so crazy, no one knows what the fuck to do?

02:55:25.000 And in Terence's life, he believed that time was December 21st, 2012. And as a matter of fact, my barracuda. 0.90

02:55:33.000 I had a 1970 barracuda.

02:55:35.000 My license plate was December 2012. Because I'm like, if this ends, I'm going to be driving around this 1970 Barracuda.

02:55:46.000 Did you think it was going to end?

02:55:48.000 I did.

02:55:49.000 You really did?

02:55:50.000 Yeah, that's why when we did that show together.

02:55:51.000 That's it!

02:55:52.000 Look at that!

02:55:53.000 Rogan, Stan, Hope.

02:55:55.000 Oh my god, I love that so much!

02:55:57.000 That was us.

02:55:59.000 December 21st, I was like, if I'm going to die, I'm going to be with my favorite people on the planet, like legitimately.

02:56:06.000 This is my favorite people on the planet.

02:56:07.000 You rolled through the countdown, that's what I love. 0.98

02:56:09.000 There was no like, ten, nine, you were like, Happy New Year motherfuckers, and then you just kept on with your set. 0.98

02:56:14.000 It was great. 0.99

02:56:15.000 Well, it was fun.

02:56:16.000 It was fun.

02:56:17.000 It was like, my favorite people are my family and my friends.

02:56:21.000 There's been. 0.99

02:56:22.000 Yeah, and to be able to do a show, and I wore a fucking suit. 0.99

02:56:26.000 I'm like, if Odin's gonna come capture me, he's gonna capture me wearing some fucking... 0.99

02:56:33.000 Very fine David August apparel. 0.98

02:56:36.000 Didn't Joey Diaz do a set?

02:56:39.000 Yes.

02:56:39.000 Joey Diaz, Doug Stanhope, and you guys.

02:56:43.000 And Honey Honey. 0.52

02:56:43.000 That was so special. 0.52

02:56:44.000 It was one of our favorite times.

02:56:45.000 Thank you for bringing us on to such a cool thing.

02:56:47.000 Come on.

02:56:47.000 It was fun.

02:56:48.000 It was really fun.

02:56:48.000 Just me and Stanhope.

02:56:50.000 Look, I love Stanhope as much as I'll cut my fucking pinky off for Stanhope. 0.99

02:56:55.000 But... 0.98

02:56:56.000 He's I don't see him enough, you know, so whenever we're gonna make an excuse to do this We're gonna we're gonna do another I should tell this right now.

02:57:03.000 We're gonna do another end of the world podcast at the new presidential elections.

02:57:08.000 So when Was it November 21st 2000?

02:57:12.000 What is it like the first week the first two first whatever it is 2020 we're gonna be at the Comedy Store. 0.75

02:57:18.000 We're gonna make that shit happen We're going to do another live podcast. 0.84

02:57:22.000 This time it's just going to be me standing home and a couple other people. 0.99

02:57:25.000 Last time we got too many people.

02:57:27.000 November 3rd.

02:57:28.000 End of the world.

02:57:29.000 Or not.

02:57:31.000 It seems like we're wrong a lot.

02:57:33.000 Who knows?

02:57:34.000 But this is my thought on all this.

02:57:39.000 Everyone, even the people at the top of government are just people.

02:57:43.000 They need to listen, too.

02:57:44.000 We all need to listen.

02:57:45.000 We can work together. 0.99

02:57:46.000 This system that we're on, this fucking clock that we're on, it's not good for anybody. 0.99

02:57:50.000 We're all worried. 0.99

02:57:51.000 No one's good at being wrong.

02:57:53.000 No one's good at being like, oh, I made a mistake.

02:57:55.000 I'm so sorry, because you're a human, and that's what we do.

02:57:58.000 And that's where I think there's this real disconnect with the people that are quote-unquote running this country.

02:58:05.000 There's no room for error.

02:58:07.000 They shouldn't be running.

02:58:08.000 And they know it.

02:58:09.000 That's why they're holding on to that spot.

02:58:10.000 No one should be.

02:58:11.000 I think they would do a better job running it if they could exhibit human qualities and also be leaders at the same time.

02:58:19.000 I agree with you.

02:58:20.000 But I think they're scared.

02:58:21.000 I think everybody's scared.

02:58:22.000 And I think when you're in a position where you're controlling...

02:58:24.000 Fear is the mind killer.

02:58:26.000 What?

02:58:26.000 Mind control over giant groups of people.

02:58:30.000 You barely can keep your shit together. 1.00

02:58:32.000 Like, who are you? 1.00

02:58:32.000 Are you an alien? 1.00

02:58:33.000 Are you from another fucking planet? 1.00

02:58:35.000 You're not. 1.00

02:58:36.000 Are you?

02:58:36.000 Yes, Gary.

02:58:37.000 You play that guitar, I wonder.

02:58:39.000 No, no, no.

02:58:40.000 You mean them?

02:58:41.000 Take me to your leader.

02:58:45.000 Remember Close Encounters?

02:58:46.000 That's how they talk to people.

02:58:49.000 We should play a song.

02:58:51.000 Or not.

02:58:54.000 I don't know.

02:58:55.000 Suzanne, we hit the perfect podcast.

02:58:58.000 We're at critical mass.

02:58:59.000 We can do whatever we want.

02:59:01.000 If you guys want to play a song, we can play a song.

02:59:03.000 But this podcast has been perfect.

02:59:05.000 It's great.

02:59:05.000 It's been flawless.

02:59:06.000 The universe has called us forth.

02:59:08.000 Well, we could play the single on the way out.

02:59:10.000 We don't have to play a live song.

02:59:12.000 We could play another Variation.

02:59:17.000 We can do everything.

02:59:18.000 I don't want to hotbox you, but it's too late.

02:59:21.000 I think you can't hotbox the willing over here.

02:59:24.000 I can't smoke and then play.

02:59:26.000 I'll smoke after.

02:59:28.000 I'm already pretty intoxicated.

02:59:31.000 You guys.

02:59:32.000 You're weed pros.

02:59:34.000 No, no, no, no.

02:59:35.000 I'm not a pro.

02:59:36.000 There's real pros.

02:59:38.000 There's real pros.

02:59:39.000 You know, I'm not. 0.99

02:59:40.000 Actually, Bronson, I had that motherfucker on this podcast. 0.99

02:59:42.000 I took a picture. 0.99

02:59:44.000 Hey! 0.99

02:59:44.000 Wiz Khalifa, I took a picture of his ashtray, too. 0.99

02:59:46.000 I'm like, what?

02:59:47.000 I'm an amateur.

02:59:48.000 I'm a baby.

02:59:49.000 I'm a little baby.

02:59:49.000 Look at what Tommy Chong gave me.

02:59:51.000 I'm a baby.

02:59:52.000 I'm a baby.

02:59:53.000 Shade goes deep.

02:59:54.000 How long's that been there?

02:59:55.000 It's been there forever.

02:59:56.000 It's a shrine.

02:59:56.000 I'm not going to light this thing on fire.

02:59:58.000 I love Tommy Chong.

02:59:59.000 He's a legend.

03:00:00.000 That will stay there.

03:00:01.000 I will love it as much or more.

03:00:04.000 I would light it if he asked me to.

03:00:05.000 If Tommy Chom sent me a direct message at Pro, I would really appreciate it if you lit that on air.

03:00:10.000 I'd light it on air out of respect.

03:00:12.000 I used to listen to Big Bamboo when I was a little kid. 0.99

03:00:15.000 Me and my friends, we'd have headphones on over a fucking record player. 0.97

03:00:20.000 Listen to Tommy Chong and Cheech. 0.98

03:00:23.000 The fact that I don't even know those guys, it still weirds me out.

03:00:25.000 I want to get away from them.

03:00:26.000 It's just too real.

03:00:28.000 Like, how are you guys real?

03:00:29.000 Back in my acting days, I worked with...

03:00:32.000 Was it Cheech?

03:00:34.000 He was on a show I worked on.

03:00:36.000 Cheech used to be on that show with Don Johnson. 1.00

03:00:38.000 Remember that shit? 1.00

03:00:40.000 Man. 1.00

03:00:41.000 Remember that shit? 1.00

03:00:42.000 Don't look it up. 1.00

03:00:43.000 You know how I know?

03:00:43.000 I'll mess it up.

03:00:44.000 Because of barracudas. 1.00

03:00:45.000 Plymouth barracudas discontinued...

03:00:48.000 1974?

03:00:50.000 Something like that.

03:00:51.000 Cheech and Chong...

03:00:53.000 Or Cheech, rather.

03:00:54.000 Cheech Martin.

03:00:55.000 Not Cheech and Chong.

03:00:56.000 Chong was on it. 1.00

03:00:58.000 Goddamn we're fucked up. 1.00

03:00:59.000 What was it called? 1.00

03:01:05.000 It's Monday afternoon. 1.00

03:01:07.000 Listen, you can suck my Monday. 0.99

03:01:09.000 It's not real. 0.99

03:01:11.000 Monday's not real.

03:01:12.000 This is life.

03:01:13.000 This is life.

03:01:14.000 Money's not real.

03:01:15.000 I'm not an accountant.

03:01:16.000 Listen, I have to check back in from time to time just to make sure that, you know, I'm here.

03:01:26.000 Because I could disappear, man.

03:01:28.000 I don't care what time it is.

03:01:30.000 I don't care what day it is.

03:01:31.000 But sometimes it's nice to know so you can, you know, relate.

03:01:35.000 Gary, you're here and I'm so glad you're here.

03:01:37.000 My god.

03:01:38.000 I'm glad you're here too.

03:01:39.000 There it is.

03:01:39.000 There's Axe Bronson.

03:01:40.000 That dude smoked one, two, three, four, five, six, seven blunts in the course of one podcast.

03:01:46.000 He had one in his hand, I think.

03:01:48.000 That's right.

03:01:48.000 That's crazy.

03:01:50.000 He went hard.

03:01:52.000 He just keeps going.

03:01:54.000 I don't have the weed tolerance like I have the booze tolerance.

03:01:56.000 How do you feel about spliffs in here? 1.00

03:01:59.000 You love them.

03:02:00.000 You do you, Gary.

03:02:01.000 We have a machine.

03:02:03.000 There's no room here.

03:02:04.000 We have a fan.

03:02:06.000 This room is set up for smokers.

03:02:07.000 Why do you feel bad?

03:02:09.000 Dude, smoking a blonde over here. 1.00

03:02:10.000 Jamie's going to turn the fan on.

03:02:11.000 It'll suck all the air out of the room and connect us with Jesus.

03:02:15.000 Look at that.

03:02:16.000 There's a phone.

03:02:18.000 Wow.

03:02:19.000 Yeah, we set it up.

03:02:19.000 When we built this room, we had to set it up for Dice Clay.

03:02:23.000 Okay.

03:02:24.000 Dice likes to smoke!

03:02:25.000 Oh! 0.60

03:02:26.000 So he would come in and smoke, and I would never want to tell him not to smoke, so I bought, because I'm just happy he's here, so I bought him, I bought an air machine that would, like, process the air while he was there.

03:02:36.000 Just for Andrew Dice Clay.

03:02:37.000 Just for Andrew Dice Clay.

03:02:38.000 That's amazing.

03:02:39.000 And then Stan Hope used it, and I was like, perfect.

03:02:40.000 All right, now we got one for smokers.

03:02:42.000 Wow.

03:02:42.000 Fire up that spliff, kind sir.

03:02:45.000 Do not be scared.

03:02:47.000 All right.

03:02:47.000 Young Jamie's impervious to all forms of intoxication.

03:02:50.000 He's probably from another planet.

03:02:52.000 How?

03:02:53.000 If anyone visits us from afar and is just down here to contribute, it's Jamie. 1.00

03:02:57.000 That fucking dude, he eats a thousand milligrams of THC. No lie. 1.00

03:03:02.000 What?

03:03:02.000 And I'm like, how are you?

03:03:04.000 He's like, I'm fine.

03:03:05.000 That's insane.

03:03:06.000 1250. 1250. Excuse me.

03:03:08.000 Pardon me.

03:03:09.000 Jesus, Mary and Joseph.

03:03:10.000 I have insulted our host from afar.

03:03:12.000 Yeah, $12.50.

03:03:13.000 I'm impressed.

03:03:14.000 I'm very impressed.

03:03:15.000 He's an alien.

03:03:15.000 And also inspired.

03:03:17.000 Well, you know, sheep can't eat certain grass and they'll die.

03:03:20.000 They eat Phalaris grass.

03:03:22.000 DMT kills sheep.

03:03:23.000 No, I did not know that.

03:03:24.000 DMT. You can take it.

03:03:25.000 It's a part of your brain.

03:03:26.000 But if a sheep gets a hold of it, they just die.

03:03:29.000 Legs sticking up in the air, twitching.

03:03:31.000 It turns out they ate a DMT-rich concentrated patch of grass.

03:03:38.000 Oh my god. 1.00

03:03:40.000 It fucking kills them dead in their tracks. 1.00

03:03:43.000 Like farmers in certain areas would find these sheep like legs up. 1.00

03:03:47.000 No way.

03:03:50.000 Yeah.

03:03:51.000 The last time I smoked DMT, I was in the bathtub and I was, you know, prepared to have a moment.

03:03:59.000 And I got myself all situated and I like lit up and then I hear like, knock, knock, knock, knock, knock, knock.

03:04:04.000 And I'm like, I get up and I put a robe on and I go to the front door and my old landlord Carlos was like, Miss Susie, Miss Susie, the ceiling is leaking!

03:04:13.000 And my bathtub was leaking.

03:04:16.000 Oh no.

03:04:17.000 And I was...

03:04:18.000 You didn't know?

03:04:19.000 No, and I was very high and it was a terrifying experience. 1.00

03:04:25.000 Oh my god, you're DMT high so you're pixelated and shit? 0.97

03:04:29.000 And PS though, it was kind of old so I didn't get as like... 0.99

03:04:32.000 You didn't get a solid hit? 0.84

03:04:33.000 No, but I got enough of a hit to be fucked up with my landlord knocking on my door when I was a little high on DMT. So anyway, I haven't smoked it since. 0.88

03:04:43.000 I'd like to at some point.

03:04:45.000 Call Duncan Trussell 24-7 in the hour of the day for incantations and wizardry.

03:04:53.000 Wouldn't I call Joe Rogan?

03:04:55.000 Shh, the government is listening.

03:04:57.000 Do not say that over the air.

03:04:59.000 This is going to be edited.

03:05:00.000 Hold this for later.

03:05:02.000 They should get in on it, too.

03:05:04.000 I'm with you guys.

03:05:05.000 I want to protect everything.

03:05:06.000 I think they are in on it.

03:05:07.000 They should be.

03:05:08.000 They're missing the point. 1.00

03:05:09.000 It's like the drug users versus fucking law enforcement. 1.00

03:05:14.000 You guys should be on drugs. 0.99

03:05:16.000 You want to do good law enforcement?

03:05:18.000 I'll be on mushrooms.

03:05:19.000 That's what we should have.

03:05:20.000 Every cop on mushrooms.

03:05:23.000 He'll know which kid he can hug.

03:05:26.000 Don't shoot him.

03:05:27.000 Just hug him.

03:05:27.000 Just run up and hug him.

03:05:29.000 He'll know.

03:05:30.000 He'll know.

03:05:31.000 You'll feel it.

03:05:32.000 You'll feel it in your soul.

03:05:33.000 Like, that kid just needs a hug. 1.00

03:05:35.000 He fucking doesn't know his dad. 0.99

03:05:36.000 You just run up on him. 1.00

03:05:37.000 You know, that guy, his dad's in prison right now.

03:05:39.000 That guy's dad's a bank robber.

03:05:41.000 That guy, he's a kid.

03:05:42.000 He's a baby.

03:05:43.000 I'm not mad at that a little bit.

03:05:46.000 That's what I think.

03:05:46.000 All cops.

03:05:47.000 See, Andrew Yang had a great idea.

03:05:52.000 All cops should be purple belts and jujitsu, which I agree with. 0.99

03:05:56.000 I think it's a great idea.

03:05:57.000 So you should have some understanding of how to defend yourself if someone tries to grab you and get your gun.

03:06:03.000 I 100% agree with that.

03:06:04.000 But also, why not be on Mushrooms, too?

03:06:10.000 Why are you playing games?

03:06:12.000 Come on, man.

03:06:13.000 You're out there life and death in the streets.

03:06:15.000 Yeah, this bill is going to go a long way. 0.99

03:06:17.000 You should be like fucking Dr. Manhattan. 0.99

03:06:18.000 Dr. Manhattan. 1.00

03:06:20.000 You're just levitating through the city trying to teach people the right way.

03:06:24.000 Come on, we can all work together.

03:06:27.000 Agreed.

03:06:27.000 We'll all be a part of love.

03:06:30.000 Yeah, I think it's possible.

03:06:32.000 I think we just need to adjust the chemicals that we have.

03:06:35.000 Just like you've done with exercise and some people have done with medication or meditation and medication.

03:06:41.000 Some people do with music.

03:06:42.000 It adjusts the chemicals and I think that's, I think every way that we know of that's beneficial to adjust the chemicals.

03:06:49.000 Whether it's through yoga or meditation or love or music or comedy or anything you can find that puts you in a better place.

03:07:00.000 We should embrace that.

03:07:02.000 Agreed.

03:07:03.000 Mushrooms are one of those things.

03:07:04.000 I agree.

03:07:06.000 You shouldn't listen to ACD Highway to Hell all day long.

03:07:10.000 ACDC Highway to Hell 24-7 is going to be a bummer, man.

03:07:14.000 I mean, you might like the first two or three plays. 1.00

03:07:18.000 I wouldn't like that shit at all. 1.00

03:07:20.000 I don't like that shit at all. 1.00

03:07:23.000 But every now and then, right? 1.00

03:07:26.000 You know, it's like Billy Squire, Lonely is the Night.

03:07:29.000 You don't want to hear it every day.

03:07:31.000 But every now and then, when you're in a car, you know how you have that Bluetooth thing that happens when your car is synced up to Bluetooth?

03:07:38.000 Yeah.

03:07:38.000 Does your car do that?

03:07:39.000 Does it do the Bluetooth?

03:07:40.000 Where, like, randomly it'll play a song.

03:07:42.000 Yeah.

03:07:43.000 So you hear, like, some cool...

03:07:44.000 It's always Alt...

03:07:45.000 No, not Alt-G. It goes to the A... Yeah, a lot of times.

03:07:49.000 iTunes.

03:07:49.000 I told Tommy Segura that there was one of his bits would come up, like one of the first things when I got in my car.

03:07:56.000 Vampire Weekend, that was it.

03:07:57.000 That's the one to play, sorry.

03:07:58.000 But sometimes it's a random thing, too.

03:08:00.000 Sometimes it doesn't do it alphabetically.

03:08:02.000 It just does it randomly.

03:08:04.000 And you'll get a cool song out of nowhere.

03:08:06.000 It just plays when you start your car.

03:08:07.000 Like, oh.

03:08:09.000 It's a drug.

03:08:10.000 It's a little weird drug.

03:08:12.000 Yeah, yeah.

03:08:13.000 What you guys do is a little weird drug.

03:08:15.000 Likewise.

03:08:17.000 All of us.

03:08:18.000 So are we drug dealers?

03:08:20.000 Is that what you're saying?

03:08:21.000 Yes, in a good way.

03:08:22.000 We're like the proverbial drug dealers.

03:08:26.000 Whenever you can use proverbial, I'm on your team.

03:08:31.000 We should be wearing robes.

03:08:34.000 Do you know what I watched the other day?

03:08:36.000 Willie B from the Ghetto Boys had a...

03:08:39.000 Willie D from the Ghetto Boys had this...

03:08:41.000 Are you leaving?

03:08:45.000 Gary, where are you going?

03:08:49.000 Yes, sir, sir.

03:08:51.000 No, you gotta do what you gotta do.

03:08:53.000 Willie D from the Ghetto Boys had this video that he put up of James Brown, like right after James Brown had gotten arrested for some craziness.

03:09:02.000 But he was like on the air, apparently high as a kite.

03:09:07.000 Yeah, sounds about right.

03:09:08.000 They were asking about being arrested.

03:09:09.000 He was like, living in America! 0.86

03:09:12.000 Hey! 0.99

03:09:15.000 That's freedom.

03:09:16.000 You have to see it.

03:09:18.000 He's got these crazy glasses on.

03:09:20.000 I mean, it's just classic.

03:09:22.000 Well, he didn't have gloves on.

03:09:23.000 There he is.

03:09:24.000 Oh, shit! 1.00

03:09:25.000 Oh, look at him. 1.00

03:09:26.000 Can we play any of this or we get in trouble?

03:09:28.000 Come on, look.

03:09:29.000 We get in trouble, we play it.

03:09:30.000 Pretty famous little clip.

03:09:31.000 Yeah, it's a famous clip.

03:09:33.000 Oh, look at him and his glasses.

03:09:35.000 It's 1988. James Brown's strangest interview ever.

03:09:38.000 Have all the charges been dropped?

03:09:39.000 Yeah, I don't know.

03:09:41.000 Look at that white lady with her 50, 90-year-old lady haircut. 1.00

03:09:48.000 I don't know.

03:09:48.000 From night to night, you'll find me.

03:09:51.000 Now, James, this isn't the first time you and your wife...

03:09:54.000 Wow, that's a real...

03:09:54.000 Can I speak to the manager haircut?

03:09:57.000 It's amazing.

03:09:59.000 God, look at him.

03:10:00.000 Look at his glasses.

03:10:01.000 He's like, yep, got it.

03:10:05.000 He put those glasses on, like, perfect.

03:10:07.000 That's what I'm trying to say. 0.99

03:10:08.000 Bitch, I'm not even in your dimension. 1.00

03:10:10.000 Oh, my God. 1.00

03:10:11.000 You know, my favorite James Brown video of all time is live in Zaire.

03:10:16.000 Ooh.

03:10:17.000 Live in Zaire before Muhammad Ali and George Foreman fought.

03:10:22.000 Yes!

03:10:23.000 Yes!

03:10:24.000 Yes!

03:10:25.000 And James Brown comes out and performs live right before Muhammad Ali fucks up George Foreman.

03:10:33.000 James Brown, B.B. King was on that one too.

03:10:35.000 Dude, crazy!

03:10:38.000 And you gotta realize, what is it, 74 or something?

03:10:41.000 Is that what it said?

03:10:42.000 74. The world's a different place.

03:10:47.000 James Brown live in Zaire just crushing it.

03:10:53.000 Just crushing it. 0.99

03:10:55.000 And again, what the fuck was out there like James Brown before James Brown? 0.99

03:11:02.000 Answer, nothing. 0.99

03:11:05.000 Nothing. 0.99

03:11:06.000 Not a fucking thing. 0.99

03:11:08.000 Not a thing. 0.99

03:11:09.000 A human original.

03:11:12.000 Just super eccentric powerhouse.

03:11:14.000 Wait, what does GFOS mean?

03:11:14.000 JB, James Brown.

03:11:16.000 No, no, no. 1.00

03:11:16.000 What the fuck? 1.00

03:11:17.000 Thank you, Gary. 1.00

03:11:19.000 Jesus woman.

03:11:19.000 I'm sorry.

03:11:21.000 Jesus Christ, you're white. 0.99

03:11:26.000 Cleveland in the house. 0.93

03:11:28.000 GFOS. That's the meanest thing you've ever said to me, Joe.

03:11:31.000 Come on, look at his outfit.

03:11:33.000 Soothe yourself by looking at his outfit.

03:11:37.000 I knew once I said it, I was like, you shouldn't have. 1.00

03:11:41.000 Look at that fucking outfit. 1.00

03:11:43.000 And here's the thing, a dude like him, I mean, he's so goddamn talented, he could wear whatever he wanted. 1.00

03:11:51.000 He could wear some bullfighting cape, right? 0.94

03:11:54.000 James Brown could wear anything.

03:11:56.000 Look at that pants! 1.00

03:11:57.000 Look at those pants! 1.00

03:11:58.000 He could wear anything.

03:11:59.000 Today.

03:12:00.000 Did you notice that the zipper was on the back?

03:12:03.000 Oh my god.

03:12:04.000 I thought about it.

03:12:05.000 Look at this.

03:12:07.000 A woman can pull it off. 1.00

03:12:09.000 A woman can pull it off far easier than a male. 0.98

03:12:10.000 A male pulling that off is peacocking. 0.97

03:12:12.000 You know what, though?

03:12:13.000 Everything now has already been done.

03:12:16.000 For the most part.

03:12:18.000 Oh, I don't know about that.

03:12:19.000 I do.

03:12:20.000 I think sexuality and individuality in a lot of ways have been exacerbated.

03:12:29.000 And now the weird...

03:12:32.000 I sound cynical.

03:12:33.000 I think the thing now is being authentic.

03:12:36.000 That's what's a rarity.

03:12:37.000 I agree with you if that's what you are. 0.99

03:12:41.000 But if you're some hypersexual James Brown motherfucker from another dimension, this is authentic. 0.99

03:12:46.000 But those folks are rare. 0.99

03:12:49.000 4-0 before TRT. No growth hormone.

03:12:53.000 No vitamins to speak of.

03:12:55.000 Stem cells.

03:12:56.000 Yes.

03:12:58.000 Dude, a lot of home cooking.

03:13:02.000 And a lot of love.

03:13:03.000 That dude's fueled by love, right?

03:13:06.000 There's like maybe four people on Earth as famous as he was in 1974. There he is.

03:13:12.000 Man.

03:13:13.000 That's a weird moment in time, you know?

03:13:18.000 It's special.

03:13:18.000 I was watching a video of Elvis Presley singing Suspicious Minds.

03:13:23.000 And I was like, that poor bastard never had a chance. 0.99

03:13:26.000 Never had a chance. 1.00

03:13:28.000 What do you mean?

03:13:29.000 This is what I mean.

03:13:30.000 There was no one that famous before Elvis.

03:13:34.000 It never happened.

03:13:35.000 It wasn't real.

03:13:37.000 And then all of a sudden this young guy Out of nowhere.

03:13:40.000 And all the signs are there.

03:13:41.000 Like, he marries his wife when she's 14. Why is he doing that?

03:13:44.000 Because he wants to reclaim his innocence.

03:13:46.000 Like, people call him a pedophile.

03:13:47.000 Like, maybe, but there would be probably a bunch of instances of that.

03:13:50.000 I think it was more likely this is a guy slinking, like, sliding away from reality with pills and fame.

03:13:57.000 How old was he?

03:13:57.000 And stardom.

03:13:58.000 That's a good question.

03:13:59.000 How old is he what?

03:14:00.000 You know what's funny about that?

03:14:01.000 In this...

03:14:02.000 What's funny about that was we would expect there would be a year where he should be able to keep it together.

03:14:07.000 Because, like, I don't think he died that old.

03:14:10.000 He looks pretty young there.

03:14:10.000 How old was Elvis when he died?

03:14:12.000 He's like 45 or something.

03:14:13.000 Not that old.

03:14:14.000 How old was he?

03:14:16.000 Young Jamie.

03:14:17.000 Drum roll, please.

03:14:17.000 Young Jamie.

03:14:22.000 Yes, sir.

03:14:23.000 Born in 35, died in 77. So he's 42, yeah?

03:14:27.000 42. That ain't shit! 1.00

03:14:28.000 Damn. 1.00

03:14:29.000 That ain't shit! 1.00

03:14:30.000 No, it's not. 0.99

03:14:31.000 And it was, he was a new thing.

03:14:35.000 There was a new thing. 1.00

03:14:36.000 The new thing was this fucking insane supernatural sex appeal star with tassels on his pants, doing fake karate, throwing kicks, girls are going crazy, he's taking pills. 1.00

03:14:49.000 Woo! 1.00

03:14:51.000 No one before him.

03:14:52.000 He was kind of a sacrificial lamb, though, in a lot of ways.

03:14:56.000 Could you imagine?

03:14:57.000 You're right, you're right.

03:14:59.000 And then there was Michael Jackson, who said, hold my beer.

03:15:01.000 Also a sacrificial lamb.

03:15:02.000 But Michael Jackson said, hold my beer.

03:15:03.000 You want to see crazy?

03:15:04.000 How about I do what you do when I'm six?

03:15:07.000 How about that?

03:15:09.000 And then you have to hold the weight of the world on your back of the icon that you are and the barriers that you've broken and then the effect you've had on people and how much they rely upon you. 0.97

03:15:23.000 I can't fucking imagine. 0.61

03:15:24.000 I can't imagine either. 0.99

03:15:25.000 Jamie, go back to Elvis doing those stretches.

03:15:27.000 I'm cool with just coasting.

03:15:28.000 By the way, I should say, when I say fake karate, some of his karate was fake, but he was actually trained by Ed Parker, who was a noted Kempo karate master.

03:15:38.000 And back in the day, like in Elvis' day in 1970. This reminds me of the Lenny Kravitz pants rip.

03:15:43.000 First of all, how dare you?

03:15:46.000 What do you mean?

03:15:47.000 It's a great moment in history.

03:15:49.000 Yeah, but he's a different thing.

03:15:51.000 Yeah, but I know he was really kind of squatting there.

03:15:54.000 And for a minute, I was like, are those pants? 0.99

03:15:55.000 Yeah, but Lenny Kravitz has got his shit together fully. 1.00

03:15:57.000 Except for that time his pants ripped and his dick flopped out. 1.00

03:16:00.000 That's just pants. 1.00

03:16:01.000 That's just pants. 0.99

03:16:01.000 Do you think it was? 0.99

03:16:02.000 It was probably planned out. 0.99

03:16:03.000 It was probably Janet Jackson's nipple. 0.98

03:16:05.000 Remember? 0.96

03:16:05.000 No. 0.96

03:16:06.000 Remember at the Super Bowl?

03:16:07.000 Everybody remembers Niflegate. 0.93

03:16:08.000 Yeah!

03:16:09.000 Niflegate!

03:16:12.000 Lenny Kravitz has some crazy farm in Brazil.

03:16:14.000 He lives on a giant farm.

03:16:16.000 Does he really?

03:16:18.000 I don't know.

03:16:19.000 I haven't talked to him lately.

03:16:20.000 He rides horses.

03:16:21.000 That's nice.

03:16:22.000 There's a whole video online where you see him in his estate in Brazil riding horses over the mountain.

03:16:27.000 Look at that. 1.00

03:16:28.000 That's Lenny Kravitz, bitch! 1.00

03:16:30.000 Damn, he looks good. 1.00

03:16:32.000 He slugged dick so hard they sent him to South America. 1.00

03:16:37.000 They say, you're going to have to go to Division 1. You're fucking things up over here in Division 2. We need to send you to South America. 1.00

03:16:47.000 Hey, bro, you need to go to Brazil.

03:16:52.000 Listen, we have to let you go, fam.

03:16:54.000 You need to raise cattle and stare at the sunset.

03:16:57.000 Jesus Christ, man.

03:16:59.000 Slow down. 1.00

03:17:00.000 You handsome bastard. 1.00

03:17:02.000 You handsome smooth singing bastard. 1.00

03:17:04.000 He's beautiful. 1.00

03:17:04.000 He's amazing. 1.00

03:17:05.000 Yeah. 0.91

03:17:06.000 He's so fucking talented. 0.97

03:17:07.000 Wow. 0.98

03:17:08.000 Are you going to go my way?

03:17:09.000 Maybe.

03:17:10.000 Dude, he's so talented.

03:17:12.000 He's so talented.

03:17:14.000 There's a film where he produces Mick Jagger's record.

03:17:19.000 A record for Mick Jagger.

03:17:20.000 There's a documentary on it.

03:17:22.000 It's incredible how talented he is.

03:17:26.000 When was that?

03:17:30.000 What is that video you were showing, Jamie?

03:17:32.000 Because that's an amazing video because you can tell what kind of a person he is by following him around this house where he talks about what these things in his house mean to him.

03:17:41.000 Little pieces of art, things that someone left him, things that have real significant meaning to him.

03:17:47.000 He's talking about why and what they are.

03:17:50.000 Same with Architectural Digest.

03:17:53.000 Yeah.

03:17:55.000 People try to be weird. 0.99

03:17:56.000 Oh, I'm gonna get a fucking ranch in Arizona. 0.99

03:17:59.000 You know? 1.00

03:18:00.000 I see your ranch in Arizona.

03:18:03.000 I raise you a ranch in Brazil. 1.00

03:18:05.000 Suck my dick. 1.00

03:18:06.000 Hold my beer. 1.00

03:18:08.000 Hold my beer. 1.00

03:18:09.000 I'm going to another continent, bitch. 1.00

03:18:14.000 I'm gonna have my whole band stay over at my place. 0.99

03:18:17.000 Whatever, whatever.

03:18:18.000 Living the dream.

03:18:21.000 Level up. 1.00

03:18:22.000 Yeah, there's levels to this shit. 1.00

03:18:23.000 There's levels to this shit. 1.00

03:18:25.000 That's funny. 1.00

03:18:26.000 What is this one, Jamie?

03:18:27.000 Mick Jagger?

03:18:28.000 Oh, this is the song you did?

03:18:30.000 This is just the video. 0.98

03:18:31.000 When you talk about levels to this, how is this dude still slinging dick? 0.93

03:18:38.000 And how old is he? 0.98

03:18:39.000 How old is Mick Jagger?

03:18:42.000 Let's guess.

03:18:43.000 Let's be conservative and say 73. Might be 76, right?

03:18:47.000 What do we got, Jamie?

03:18:49.000 Here we go.

03:18:49.000 Drum roll, please.

03:18:52.000 76!

03:18:53.000 76!

03:18:54.000 Here's the thing, per your Aubrey de Grey podcast, do you have a, I feel like these people are joyful.

03:19:03.000 I think that's the anti-aging contingency is, Propagating joy.

03:19:09.000 I think you're right.

03:19:10.000 And I think with Mick Jagger, one of the big things is that Mick Jagger is like really, really into fitness.

03:19:17.000 Oh, I didn't know that.

03:19:18.000 Oh, yeah.

03:19:19.000 He works out twice a day.

03:19:20.000 He does yoga. 1.00

03:19:21.000 He does all kinds of shit. 1.00

03:19:22.000 What the fuck? 1.00

03:19:23.000 Yeah. 1.00

03:19:24.000 He's like, oh, I see what's up. 0.99

03:19:26.000 Like, you got to keep this fucking boat on the river. 0.99

03:19:28.000 You got to keep this boat on the river. 0.99

03:19:30.000 And he gets after it.

03:19:32.000 He's legendary. 0.99

03:19:33.000 He does dancing and all kinds of other shit. 0.98

03:19:35.000 Dancing is everything. 0.99

03:19:37.000 Dancing is everything.

03:19:38.000 Dancing is a lot.

03:19:38.000 Look at him.

03:19:39.000 Bless his heart. 1.00

03:19:41.000 So if you went to see Mick Jagger, you're like, oh, this motherfucker's got... 0.99

03:19:43.000 That's some dancing in the streets move right there. 1.00

03:19:45.000 He's got bad hips.

03:19:46.000 He's going to stand still. 1.00

03:19:47.000 No, this guy's fucking hustling. 0.99

03:19:50.000 He realizes what he's doing is rare. 0.99

03:19:53.000 Do you guys dance?

03:19:54.000 Do you dance?

03:19:55.000 Who doesn't?

03:19:56.000 I do.

03:19:56.000 This is my thing.

03:19:58.000 When I'm in my studio, I work all by myself, and I just dance crazy. 1.00

03:20:03.000 Fuck, yeah, Gary. 1.00

03:20:04.000 Absolutely. 1.00

03:20:05.000 I'll bust it out someday.

03:20:07.000 Gary, that is awesome.

03:20:08.000 Yeah.

03:20:09.000 Why not, man?

03:20:10.000 You're dancing to your own sounds.

03:20:12.000 Yeah.

03:20:13.000 That and other people's too.

03:20:15.000 I love to dance too.

03:20:18.000 I'm making my own steps.

03:20:19.000 I don't dance enough.

03:20:20.000 I dance at home alone often, but I should get out and make it a...

03:20:23.000 It's a form of exercise too.

03:20:24.000 Sure.

03:20:25.000 It's not just a physical exercise.

03:20:26.000 It's like a spiritual exercise in that you're enjoying yourself. 1.00

03:20:30.000 That word spiritual is so poisoned by crystals and fucking horseshit. 1.00

03:20:35.000 No, fuck that. 1.00

03:20:35.000 This is a safe place. 1.00

03:20:36.000 I feel that.

03:20:42.000 Freedom!

03:20:49.000 Absolutely.

03:20:50.000 It's true.

03:20:51.000 It's true.

03:20:53.000 Why should joy have boundaries?

03:20:55.000 It shouldn't.

03:20:56.000 We're all scared.

03:20:58.000 No, I'm not.

03:20:58.000 I had this conversation with this friend of mine about Bernie Sanders.

03:21:02.000 We were talking about socialism.

03:21:03.000 And he's like, I never thought you'd be into socialism.

03:21:06.000 I go, I'm not into socialism.

03:21:08.000 But what...

03:21:10.000 What about fixing the things that are broken doesn't seem appealing to you?

03:21:14.000 And we have socialism for a lot of different things, like the fire department, the police department.

03:21:18.000 But I'm like, that's not what I'm into.

03:21:21.000 This is what I'm really into.

03:21:22.000 I'm really into people having a big stake in community.

03:21:28.000 And I think when you look out for other people, that's when you have the biggest stake in community.

03:21:32.000 And I think that's one of the things we're missing today.

03:21:34.000 We're missing, we can do it in our neighborhoods, like we were talking about, like you know your neighbors, it's really nice.

03:21:39.000 But I think we can do it in an expansive way, as long as we didn't give in to the temptation to be shitty to people that we don't know.

03:21:47.000 And to treat everybody as if we're all a part of a community.

03:21:50.000 I think that can be done.

03:21:52.000 And I think the best way to sort of enhance that kind of thinking is to make decisions that are for the downtrodden.

03:21:59.000 Make decisions that are for the working class and the people that are struggling and the people that are just trying to put food on the table and keep a home heated.

03:22:08.000 Let's concentrate on that first, before anything, because those are the hardest hardships.

03:22:13.000 And there's too many people that have this idea that everyone that's in that experience is there because they're lazy, or because they don't work hard, or because they...

03:22:22.000 Do people really think that? 0.99

03:22:24.000 That's so ignorant. 1.00

03:22:24.000 They do. 1.00

03:22:24.000 They make excuses. 1.00

03:22:25.000 There's a lot of people that do think like that. 1.00

03:22:26.000 But it is if they're ignorant. 0.91

03:22:29.000 But it's also that they don't know. 0.94

03:22:31.000 They have an experience with those people who experience.

03:22:34.000 This is the thing about every person alive.

03:22:37.000 Look at a person.

03:22:38.000 Look at a person who's doing great.

03:22:39.000 Look at a person who's falling apart.

03:22:40.000 You would be that person if you did what they did.

03:22:42.000 There's not much difference between us.

03:22:44.000 Unless you're talking about physical things, like the difference between Usain Bolt's running speed and the difference between mine.

03:22:50.000 There's certain physical things that are insurmountable. 0.98

03:22:53.000 I'm fucking positive thinking, bro. 0.96

03:22:55.000 It's not happening. 0.99

03:22:57.000 It's not happening.

03:22:58.000 There's certain things you can't get past.

03:23:00.000 But there's a lot of things you can.

03:23:02.000 Agreed.

03:23:02.000 And one of the problems that we all have is our perception.

03:23:07.000 Sure.

03:23:07.000 The way we look at things.

03:23:08.000 If we can look at things as more, like, we're all cool.

03:23:11.000 We're all together.

03:23:12.000 Like, nobody wants you to do bad.

03:23:13.000 Like, let's all do good.

03:23:15.000 We can all do good together.

03:23:16.000 We can all go forward with that mindset.

03:23:18.000 Well, there are some people that want you to do bad, and those people also deserve attention.

03:23:22.000 Exactly. 0.99

03:23:23.000 They need a fucking hug. 1.00

03:23:24.000 They need a hug. 1.00

03:23:25.000 For all human history, we're treating them the wrong way. 1.00

03:23:28.000 We're treating them like we need to kill them and drown them in the river. 0.99

03:23:33.000 No, they're not the bad guy. 1.00

03:23:34.000 It's like the hurt people, hurt people thing, you know?

03:23:37.000 Exactly. 0.92

03:23:37.000 You gotta see those people and say, hey, I see you, and I'm gonna hug you, and let's all fucking move together. 0.92

03:23:44.000 Yes, and then the problem is some of them are really legitimately broken.

03:23:49.000 Some people have done a terrible job of raising their kids to the point where they've broken their kids, and those kids need to find some way back to the garden.

03:23:56.000 It's hard.

03:23:57.000 And that's the reality of scale.

03:23:59.000 The fact that there's 350 million people just in America?

03:24:05.000 I mean, is that the real number?

03:24:06.000 Or is that North America?

03:24:07.000 That's pretty close. 1.00

03:24:08.000 That's fucking crazy. 0.99

03:24:10.000 For us to try to put that into perspective is almost impossible. 0.99

03:24:13.000 I don't think we even understand what that number means.

03:24:15.000 And that we're all supposed to be a team.

03:24:18.000 I think it's possible.

03:24:20.000 I think we just have to look at it the right way.

03:24:22.000 You have to have no room for douchebaggery. 0.98

03:24:26.000 No room for treating...

03:24:28.000 That's impossible.

03:24:29.000 But it's not impossible.

03:24:30.000 I don't think it is.

03:24:31.000 I think people just need a higher level of guidance and of understanding of the consequences of not behaving that way and the benefits of behaving that way.

03:24:40.000 The problem is we look at it like it's a negative.

03:24:42.000 Like somehow or another it's a weakness.

03:24:44.000 If you show...

03:24:45.000 If you show any sort of sympathy or compassion or try to have some understanding for people who are downtrodden or poor, people who look at you like you're weak.

03:24:56.000 No, you're looking at it the wrong way.

03:25:01.000 You feel uncomfortable about it because it makes you feel weird.

03:25:04.000 Because there's too many variables, and it'd be better if you just nailed it down to a one or a zero.

03:25:08.000 Either they're lazy or they're good, hardworking people.

03:25:11.000 If they're good, hardworking people, they figure it out.

03:25:13.000 And if they're lazy, they don't.

03:25:14.000 It's not binary.

03:25:16.000 That's the thing.

03:25:18.000 There's so much more.

03:25:20.000 There's too many of us.

03:25:21.000 There's too many variables.

03:25:22.000 The idea that no one should get help, that's so crazy.

03:25:26.000 I was on welfare when I was a kid.

03:25:28.000 It's important.

03:25:29.000 It's important for people.

03:25:30.000 It keeps them fed.

03:25:31.000 It gives people a chance.

03:25:34.000 That doesn't mean that people are gonna come steal your money.

03:25:37.000 That means we should all chip in a little bit.

03:25:40.000 We have to figure out how to make sure that the government has our confidence, that we feel like we can throw them our money, and they're gonna do the right thing with it, and we're gonna help communities, we're gonna help people.

03:25:50.000 And that's what everybody's wary about, for a good reason. 0.98

03:25:53.000 It's because who the fuck knows who's taking your money? 0.97

03:25:55.000 They don't give you an accounting sheet, they don't show you what they're spending it on. 0.99

03:25:59.000 You just give it up.

03:26:00.000 That's what I meant earlier when I was like, I don't know what's true.

03:26:03.000 I don't know.

03:26:03.000 I know.

03:26:04.000 It's hard.

03:26:04.000 But at the same time, I think what you're saying is so powerful because, like, you can have your sort of government affiliations and, like, oh, these are the people that are quote-unquote taking care of us.

03:26:17.000 And then you can also take care of yourself and each other and recognize your neighbors and recognize your community and kind of build from the ground up. 0.98

03:26:24.000 Know who your local representatives are, you know, for fuck's sake. 0.96

03:26:29.000 Like, your kids and their schools and, like, all All that stuff. 0.99

03:26:32.000 Like, that is a very powerful tool.

03:26:34.000 And even, I mean, those are official titles and official designations, and all that stuff is awesome, too. 0.99

03:26:40.000 But it's also just, know who the fuck is around you. 0.99

03:26:43.000 Right. 0.99

03:26:43.000 And be nice to each other and figure it out together. 0.99

03:26:47.000 Yeah.

03:26:48.000 We're all acting like everybody is not going to help you and everybody's not going to understand you.

03:26:54.000 And then when that gets fed to a scale of this impossible number of 350 billion people...

03:27:01.000 350 million people doesn't even make sense to us.

03:27:04.000 It's so hard for us to ever understand what it's like to try to do what's best for 350 million people.

03:27:11.000 It doesn't make sense.

03:27:12.000 So you just do what's best for yourself and you go, it's going to work itself out.

03:27:15.000 It's going to sort itself out.

03:27:17.000 If there's ever a conspiracy...

03:27:19.000 There's no action involved in that.

03:27:20.000 Exactly. 0.99

03:27:20.000 And if there's ever a conspiracy to keep people stupid, that's the conspiracy. 0.99

03:27:25.000 Make that seem like it's normal. 0.99

03:27:26.000 Make that seem like everybody shouldn't go, hey, hey, hey, you really can affect things, and you really should pay attention to this, and we should all figure out a way to do it together where the whole motivation is to make life better for everybody.

03:27:41.000 When you're really, really, really, really rich, Let's say you're really, really, really, really, really rich.

03:27:48.000 What if you just really, really, really, really?

03:27:51.000 You're not going to notice.

03:27:56.000 But you are contributing in a dynamic way to a system that helped you get really, really, really, really rich.

03:28:04.000 See, the balancing act is not wanting to get to a place where you stifle people's You need to do well because they need to have some sort of motivation.

03:28:14.000 Some people do.

03:28:15.000 You want them to have motivation, but you want them to feel good about contributing, too.

03:28:19.000 That's what's up.

03:28:20.000 It's not this idea that they're going to come steal your money.

03:28:23.000 It's like, no, you're going to help.

03:28:25.000 You're going to help.

03:28:26.000 We're not stealing any money.

03:28:27.000 You're going to help people that can't help themselves.

03:28:29.000 There's people you might have got lucky.

03:28:31.000 You might have got a good parent and a good situation, a good neighborhood, good school.

03:28:35.000 You did well.

03:28:36.000 Some people don't. 0.99

03:28:37.000 Some people get fucked when they're really young. 0.99

03:28:39.000 They get robbed. 0.99

03:28:40.000 They get beaten up.

03:28:41.000 They get tortured.

03:28:42.000 They get scared.

03:28:43.000 That's normal in life, too.

03:28:44.000 And you can help them. 0.95

03:28:47.000 And this is what I think When you get lost in words like socialism and libertarianism and all these different fucking labels that carry all this weight behind them. 0.61

03:28:58.000 If we just say, like, what's your intentions? 0.52

03:29:00.000 Is your intentions to make the community a better place for everybody and make people happy and make sure people have food and make sure people are loved and make sure people are in a war?

03:29:09.000 That's what we should do as a community.

03:29:12.000 That's what we should do. 0.99

03:29:13.000 All that other stuff is bullshit. 0.99

03:29:14.000 Because if you don't have that, you don't have anything. 0.99

03:29:16.000 And you're going to feel really uncomfortable.

03:29:20.000 Yeah, man, that's the thing.

03:29:21.000 That's the thing. 1.00

03:29:22.000 And these fucking labels, whether it's liberal, Republican, you fucking cuck, you know, you goddamn hippie, all these different labels of people. 1.00

03:29:29.000 It's so easy to dismiss people with these labels. 1.00

03:29:32.000 And they have such an agenda. 0.98

03:29:33.000 Right, and it plays on that part of the human psyche that wants to be a part of a team and attack opposing ideas, and it becomes a fucking tribal thing. 0.95

03:29:43.000 It's so hard to sort out what's right and what's wrong.

03:29:46.000 You know, but I think we're in a weird space where there's no one at the wheel.

03:29:52.000 I think this is the first time there's no...

03:29:54.000 The government doesn't have a hold of the wheel.

03:29:56.000 There's no mystery.

03:29:57.000 No, no.

03:29:58.000 That's what's so scary.

03:29:59.000 It's all eroding before our eyes.

03:30:01.000 But no one's at the helm. 1.00

03:30:03.000 No one's got a hold of that goddamn battleship. 0.99

03:30:05.000 You know, the parachips, they have those handles on the wheel. 1.00

03:30:08.000 And, you know, strap yourself in and shit. 0.99

03:30:11.000 No one's at that wheel. 0.99

03:30:12.000 That thing is just...

03:30:13.000 You know, I'm gonna go out on a limb here, and you said this earlier, and we laughed about it, but, like, the thing is, you know, you said the word love and, like, music and art and, you know,

03:30:28.000 things that are cohesive in communal environments and helping people come together, like, In terms of feeling like, what can I contribute? 0.94

03:30:40.000 Fuck, how can I help? 0.96

03:30:42.000 Because this feels like an epidemic, this disbandment amongst us. 1.00

03:30:48.000 And all this fear.

03:30:49.000 Everybody's so scared.

03:30:50.000 I'm scared.

03:30:51.000 I am and I'm not.

03:30:52.000 Everybody's scared.

03:30:52.000 I go in and out of it.

03:30:53.000 Diseases bring us back in, right?

03:30:55.000 I don't know.

03:30:56.000 My fear is fleeting.

03:30:58.000 It's things that feel a little superficial at times.

03:31:02.000 But at the end of the day, the love thing, the energy that...

03:31:08.000 You could make fun of me. 0.99

03:31:10.000 I don't give a fuck. 0.99

03:31:11.000 The fact is, we all need it. 0.99

03:31:15.000 We all want it.

03:31:17.000 And we all deserve it.

03:31:18.000 So, what are you gonna do with that?

03:31:21.000 You know, like we can sit here and dissect politics and agendas and this guy and this guy and socialism, all this stuff, but we all need to feel that thing and it is love.

03:31:34.000 And it's very, very, very powerful.

03:31:37.000 And it comes in many forms and has, you know, different hats.

03:31:42.000 And I think that right now, like, Like, I'm sure that you feel it at a show, right?

03:31:49.000 When you play music for people, you know?

03:31:55.000 I'm sure you feel it all the time, you know, with your podcast and with your shows and with the outreach that you have and, you know, forgive me, I don't want to assume, you know, and I feel it in all the varying degrees of the shows that I play and things and, like, at the end of the day,

03:32:11.000 This stuff, like, where we're at is a scary place, but there's, like, this thing.

03:32:17.000 There's this, like, kind of one thing, and it is the love thing, and that has, like, a bunch of different adjectives around it and verbs that are, like, recognizing each other and seeing each other and saying, hey, we're different, but we're the same, and we're okay.

03:32:32.000 Like, let's keep moving, you know?

03:32:37.000 The thing that saves me from all this, like, deep depths of fear is that.

03:32:44.000 Like, period.

03:32:46.000 There's really nothing else I have to say.

03:32:49.000 Like, because it's a weird world that we're living in.

03:32:52.000 But that's the thing.

03:32:53.000 That's it.

03:32:55.000 It is a weird world, and people can tip left or right.

03:32:58.000 That's a bad analogy.

03:33:00.000 People can tip good or bad, one way or another, depending upon how you approach them.

03:33:04.000 Sure.

03:33:05.000 And this is the thing that a lot of us get wrong. 1.00

03:33:07.000 You run into someone, they're a dick, you're a dick back, it turns into a fight, you're like, oh, that guy was a fucking dick. 1.00

03:33:12.000 Yes. 1.00

03:33:12.000 But sometimes, when someone's a dick and you're not a dick, they stop being a dick. 1.00

03:33:18.000 We literally talked about this at the beginning of the podcast. 0.99

03:33:20.000 That's right.

03:33:20.000 That's right, we did.

03:33:21.000 Where, like, where you diffuse a situation where energy gets heated and somebody's angry or, you know, I don't know if I should retell the story, but, like, you know, you...

03:33:34.000 It's accountability, too.

03:33:36.000 It's also presumptions, right?

03:33:38.000 You go into conversations with presumptions of how this guy feels about you. 1.00

03:33:42.000 Like, this fucking guy thinks I'm an idiot. 1.00

03:33:44.000 Well, it's like a winner society. 1.00

03:33:47.000 It's like, you have to be right, but you know what? 0.96

03:33:50.000 It's fucking okay to be wrong. 0.99

03:33:51.000 I fucking made a mistake. 0.93

03:33:53.000 I'm so sorry. 0.85

03:33:54.000 It's not just okay to be wrong, it's a gift.

03:33:57.000 When you're wrong, it's a gift because that humility that comes with being wrong is what really helps your education as a person.

03:34:02.000 Yes, agreed. 1.00

03:34:03.000 As a fucking girlfriend, a boyfriend, a lover, a father, a son, you learn when you fuck up. 1.00

03:34:11.000 You learn like, goddamn, I was wrong. 1.00

03:34:14.000 That's a valuable lesson because it's a humiliating lesson. 0.98

03:34:17.000 Well, and you set yourself free, too, because there's a... 0.98

03:34:21.000 When you're hanging on to righteousness like this, like, you know, inability to say that you were wrong, that is a fucking burden. 0.97

03:34:29.000 It's not just a burden. 0.99

03:34:30.000 It's a foolish pursuit.

03:34:32.000 Like, you should relish every opportunity to apologize and say you're wrong as a showing of strength. 1.00

03:34:39.000 Because if you think you're strong, you think you're strong and you know you're wrong and you don't tell the truth, well then you're a fool. 0.99

03:34:46.000 You're missing out on an opportunity for you to be strong. 0.99

03:34:50.000 For you to show that you're strong.

03:34:51.000 To show that you made a mistake.

03:34:52.000 I've made a lot of mistakes.

03:34:54.000 I make them all the time. 1.00

03:34:55.000 I'm a fucking dummy, alright? 0.99

03:34:57.000 I do my best, but ultimately, at the end of the day, there's a lot of dummy in me. 0.99

03:35:01.000 And I do my best. 0.98

03:35:02.000 But if I make a mistake, I will fucking own the shit out of that mistake. 0.88

03:35:06.000 If you talk to me about it and you want to have a discussion about it, I'm not one of those people that... 0.98

03:35:10.000 I don't think there's any value in pretending you didn't make a mistake.

03:35:14.000 But that's societal...

03:35:16.000 But I think we're wrong with that.

03:35:17.000 Misconception.

03:35:18.000 They don't know.

03:35:19.000 The people that did it didn't understand.

03:35:21.000 The rules that were written were written by people who really hadn't had a good grasp of the territory yet.

03:35:27.000 They didn't really understand what they were saying.

03:35:28.000 They should have taught people that in school.

03:35:30.000 They should have taught people like that in junior high school, high school for sure.

03:35:34.000 It's just said your your failures those feelings that you feel like they teach you about history and math and those things are great There's nothing wrong with that But they should have taught us about how your failures are a very valuable fuel Yeah, that feeling that you get when a girl dumps you or the feeling that you get when you crash your car or the feeling that you get when you fucking ruin something you say something wrong when something comes out of your mouth when you Anything you do wrong,

03:36:02.000 you flunk out of a class, whatever the fuck it is, that negative feeling is a boost. 0.99

03:36:07.000 It's supposed to take you into the next orbit. 0.99

03:36:10.000 It's supposed to blast you into the next level of understanding what you were doing wrong and how to improve in your life and how to go forward with better habits.

03:36:18.000 And if you don't experience that pain, that feeling, that embarrassment, then you don't really know how valuable it is to stay on your grind.

03:36:29.000 And people say it all the time, and it resonates with people.

03:36:31.000 You've got to stay on your ground.

03:36:32.000 You're like, yes, yes.

03:36:33.000 Why do you think that...

03:36:36.000 It's not okay to be human.

03:36:38.000 Like, why do you think, societally speaking, we can't just be, like, accountable and strong at the same time?

03:36:45.000 Well, we're just nervous.

03:36:47.000 It's not that we don't think...

03:36:48.000 But, like, I mean, like, systemically, like, that is since the beginning.

03:36:51.000 Is that, like, the, like, monkey brain in us? 0.99

03:36:53.000 That's, like, you have to be the alpha, all that shit? 1.00

03:36:57.000 I've thought about this forever. 1.00

03:36:58.000 It fucking boggles my mind. 0.98

03:37:00.000 It's just because we're worried about people that are not pulling their weight when people are starving to death. 0.98

03:37:04.000 It's an ancient, ancient instinct. 1.00

03:37:07.000 If we barely had enough food to keep our babies alive, and our friends alive, and our parents alive, barely had enough food, and we saw someone slacking, holy shit, did you want to fucking kill them. 1.00

03:37:18.000 If you saw someone that was sneaking food, that was taking too much food, or you saw someone that wasn't putting in their work, and you were just slightly shy of being comfortable, and you knew this fucking lazy motherfucker... 1.00

03:37:30.000 If they just did their work, we would all be fine. 1.00

03:37:32.000 But they don't do what we do.

03:37:33.000 They claim their foot hurt, or they claim their back hurts, and they go back to their cave, and everybody wants to kill them. 1.00

03:37:38.000 That's what the fuck that's for. 1.00

03:37:40.000 It's a resource-balanced relationship. 0.99

03:37:42.000 That's like the sort of aggression against, like, welfare.

03:37:45.000 People that need it and people that don't.

03:37:47.000 People that, you know, exploit it.

03:37:50.000 I get it.

03:37:50.000 Exactly, exactly.

03:37:52.000 Well, it's attaching ultimatums, or ultimates rather, like this is the ultimate truth, to any sort of circumstance in a general sense, like to pretend that you have a million fucking, let's pretend you have a city of X amount of people and you have a million people that are on some sort of assistance, 0.66

03:38:10.000 whether it's food stamps or welfare or whatever, to pretend they're all one thing is crazy. 0.93

03:38:15.000 To pretend it's all one story is crazy.

03:38:18.000 One set of circumstances.

03:38:20.000 That's nuts.

03:38:21.000 That's nuts.

03:38:22.000 The question should be like, look, there's no billionaires who are signing up for food stamps, right?

03:38:28.000 There's no millionaires that are trying to get welfare money, right?

03:38:31.000 So it's only when you're desperate.

03:38:34.000 So the question is like, how do we engineer society so that even the most desperate people never hit that spot?

03:38:40.000 Never hit a spot where they need assistance.

03:38:42.000 The most desperate people are always taken care of.

03:38:45.000 They don't have to worry about it.

03:38:47.000 And then what motivation is is just following your dreams.

03:38:50.000 Doing what you enjoy doing.

03:38:51.000 Whether it's a thing like playing music or writing books or whatever it is.

03:38:57.000 Whatever it is.

03:38:58.000 Finding that thing.

03:38:59.000 But that motivation for doing that thing should be Above all, above the idea that you have to survive by doing some shitty job to make a living to pay for your bills and just rob you of your time and your resources. 0.99

03:39:14.000 It should be like, hey, fuckface, recognize this. 0.98

03:39:17.000 You don't have a lot of resources, okay? 0.99

03:39:18.000 Let's just pretend you don't need a job.

03:39:21.000 We're going to give you the money.

03:39:22.000 You don't need a job. 1.00

03:39:22.000 But understand this, motherfucker. 1.00

03:39:24.000 You're giving a gift. 1.00

03:39:25.000 You're giving a gift that Beethoven never had, Hendrix never had.

03:39:28.000 Nobody had it.

03:39:29.000 You got money enough to live.

03:39:31.000 Now go.

03:39:33.000 But understand, if you're lucky, you live 80 years.

03:39:36.000 Everything over there is like, tomorrow?

03:39:39.000 Every time you sneeze, you're worried you're gonna die?

03:39:41.000 Yeah.

03:39:43.000 We just have to look at the way we distribute money as being, like, we think about it right now as being this is the way we've always done it, this is the way we're gonna do it.

03:39:51.000 But money didn't even exist. 0.99

03:39:54.000 This shit is really recent. 0.99

03:39:57.000 It doesn't mean we're doing it right. 1.00

03:39:58.000 We shouldn't have tents filled with homeless people. 0.99

03:40:01.000 That's fucking gross. 1.00

03:40:02.000 We should have people shitting in the street in San Francisco. 1.00

03:40:04.000 That's fucking gross. 1.00

03:40:06.000 If you guys have to pay more money to make sure there's healthcare for a bunch of homeless people with mental illness that are shitting all over your streets, you should definitely spend that money. 1.00

03:40:15.000 Because you're not going to fix it by a bunch of dudes with squeegees and fucking power hoses out there. 1.00

03:40:21.000 Where's that shit going? 1.00

03:40:22.000 You scooping it up? 1.00

03:40:23.000 You know what they do is...

03:40:24.000 That ain't going to happen.

03:40:24.000 I was just up there.

03:40:25.000 It's funky.

03:40:26.000 You know what they do is they give those people a little bit of money and a bus ticket to like Salt Lake City or something.

03:40:34.000 Or Austin, Texas.

03:40:35.000 Or Austin, they do that, yeah. 0.93

03:40:36.000 And then they drop them off and they say, you got a motel for 30 days and then get them the fuck out and then make them somebody else. 0.97

03:40:42.000 Is that real? 1.00

03:40:43.000 Oh, fuck yeah. 1.00

03:40:43.000 And they make it somebody else's problem. 1.00

03:40:45.000 We tried to trace that, right? 0.76

03:40:47.000 It's gross.

03:40:48.000 We found out there's been all over the country, they ship them to different places.

03:40:51.000 Yeah, they had a huge thing in Orange County.

03:40:53.000 There was almost like a mile-long tent city, and they got them out. 0.87

03:40:57.000 I don't know where they sent them.

03:40:58.000 You know what that's like?

03:40:59.000 It's like the human equivalent of throwing a cigarette out their window on the highway.

03:41:03.000 Someone's gonna figure it out.

03:41:04.000 It's terrible.

03:41:05.000 It's terrible.

03:41:06.000 What are we gonna do, guys? 0.98

03:41:07.000 What the fuck are we gonna do? 0.89

03:41:11.000 Suzanne, I think you figured out a lot of things. 0.99

03:41:13.000 I don't know.

03:41:13.000 You're selling yourself short.

03:41:14.000 I don't know, Joe.

03:41:15.000 You have some amazing revelations during this show, and they've all been documented. 1.00

03:41:19.000 Shit. 0.99

03:41:20.000 It's all right here. 0.99

03:41:22.000 Yeah, but I think the more, I mean, it's going to sound ridiculous, but I think the more conversations people have like this, we try to figure out what's going on.

03:41:31.000 Yeah.

03:41:31.000 Try to concentrate on what do we need to do to make this place better.

03:41:35.000 That I agree 100%.

03:41:36.000 I think that's real.

03:41:37.000 Wake up and walk out of the house.

03:41:38.000 Yes.

03:41:39.000 Understanding what's your intention.

03:41:41.000 I think it goes back to...

03:41:43.000 Yeah.

03:41:43.000 But I think what you were talking about with, you know, coming up levels and different upbringings and this and that, it's a factor, and so it's not that easy.

03:41:54.000 It's not that easy.

03:41:55.000 Yeah, well, learn about people that are different from you, you know?

03:41:59.000 I think that a lot of folks, ignorance is something to recover from, you know?

03:42:09.000 If you're a religious type and you have an opinion about gay people, but you've never met a gay person in your life and what it's like to be gay and why it's like you think it's a choice or whatever you think, you can't really have an opinion until you actually sit across from somebody and look them in the eye and talk to them.

03:42:31.000 I think that's where a lot of this...

03:42:34.000 You know, discord comes in in terms of we're all different, and we are, but we're not, you know, I don't know how we, I don't want to go there, but we're there.

03:42:43.000 What we're different about is the things that are superficial.

03:42:47.000 Yes, thank you.

03:42:49.000 Yeah, what we're not different about is what we are.

03:42:51.000 We're human beings.

03:42:53.000 Whether we have weird accents or styles or hobbies or musical...

03:42:58.000 Colors, all that stuff.

03:42:59.000 Yeah, whatever we're interested in.

03:43:00.000 Whether it's the way we like to dress or the style that we like to eat or the places we like to live.

03:43:07.000 All those things are interesting.

03:43:09.000 But what we really are, that... 0.99

03:43:13.000 That core, whatever the fuck you are at the center, that's a human being. 0.99

03:43:18.000 That's what's real. 0.99

03:43:19.000 That's what's real.

03:43:20.000 And when you love people and they love you and you love each other back, you all recognize that that thing, that human being thing is the same.

03:43:27.000 It's the same.

03:43:28.000 It's the same in your children.

03:43:29.000 It's the same in your mother.

03:43:30.000 It's the same in your neighbor.

03:43:31.000 It's the same in everybody.

03:43:32.000 It's the same.

03:43:33.000 It's love.

03:43:34.000 It's like us.

03:43:36.000 And we don't, you know, the only time that people lash out is when someone lashed out against them and it all gets terrible and cock-eyed and twisted.

03:43:43.000 But what we are is the same.

03:43:46.000 We're all the same, going through this weird, strange existence.

03:43:50.000 It's almost like some crazy game that's being played out.

03:43:53.000 Simulation.

03:43:54.000 No one knows why.

03:43:56.000 Even if it's not a simulation, it is.

03:43:58.000 This is what people need to understand.

03:43:59.000 Even if it's not, it still is.

03:44:01.000 Even if it's not.

03:44:02.000 Even if this is real, it's still a simulation. 1.00

03:44:05.000 You were a fucking nothing 14 billion years ago. 1.00

03:44:08.000 You were a part of a head of a pin. 1.00

03:44:11.000 And you exploded.

03:44:13.000 Are we going Big Bang here? 1.00

03:44:17.000 Your fucking human body even exists because a sun exploded. 1.00

03:44:22.000 Nuclear rubble. 1.00

03:44:23.000 Yes, we are.

03:44:24.000 I know.

03:44:25.000 Nuclear rubble.

03:44:25.000 I think that we are.

03:44:26.000 What's that?

03:44:26.000 Who had that song?

03:44:27.000 We are stardust.

03:44:29.000 Moby!

03:44:30.000 No, is it Moby? 1.00

03:44:31.000 Fuck you! 1.00

03:44:36.000 And we got to get ourselves back to the gods. 1.00

03:44:42.000 Someone save me.

03:44:42.000 So off, Suze.

03:44:43.000 What is it?

03:44:44.000 Joni Mitchell?

03:44:45.000 No, there was someone before Joni Mitchell.

03:44:47.000 I thought for sure we were all stars.

03:44:48.000 I was like, Moby.

03:44:49.000 We are Stardust.

03:44:52.000 Yes, Crosby, Stills, and Nash.

03:44:54.000 That hurt my own feelings.

03:44:56.000 We are Stardust.

03:44:57.000 I hurt myself.

03:44:59.000 We are million-year-old carbon, and we got to get ourselves back to the garden. 0.89

03:45:04.000 You started with the whole suckbuck, dude! 0.99

03:45:06.000 But in all fairness, I started it because I called you bitch like three times. 1.00

03:45:11.000 Same place, same place, same place. 0.99

03:45:13.000 Only you can call me that.

03:45:14.000 No one else, alright?

03:45:16.000 Mark my words.

03:45:17.000 We're friends, we're friends.

03:45:18.000 It's all with love.

03:45:19.000 I gotta say, I was like, okay.

03:45:23.000 You were the first one?

03:45:24.000 I'm telling you.

03:45:26.000 The only one.

03:45:27.000 No one else.

03:45:28.000 We've been friends for so long.

03:45:29.000 No one else. 1.00

03:45:30.000 She talks shit to me too, though. 1.00

03:45:32.000 Don't get wrong. 1.00

03:45:32.000 What do I say? 1.00

03:45:33.000 Whatever you can.

03:45:36.000 Nice.

03:45:41.000 Oh man, guys, this is great.

03:45:43.000 It's been an awesome time.

03:45:44.000 This is great.

03:45:45.000 Yeah, it's about as good as a podcast can get. 0.97

03:45:47.000 Do you guys want to do one more song and wrap this bitch up and bring it to Valhalla? 1.00

03:45:51.000 Well, should we... 0.99

03:45:52.000 Oh my god.

03:45:53.000 It's almost 5 o'clock.

03:45:55.000 Is it really?

03:45:55.000 Yes.

03:45:57.000 Let's play the track.

03:45:58.000 This is a more than four and a half hour podcast.

03:46:01.000 Is that correct, Jamie?

03:46:02.000 This is a record.

03:46:03.000 Four hours right now.

03:46:05.000 Oh, that's fine.

03:46:06.000 You guys warmed up a bunch.

03:46:07.000 You've done this long before.

03:46:09.000 It doesn't matter.

03:46:10.000 We're all good.

03:46:11.000 Kevin Smith has a record right?

03:46:13.000 Does he have the record?

03:46:14.000 That I don't know.

03:46:15.000 My friend Justin Collett, we did two podcasts.

03:46:18.000 You and Bert did a five and a half hour when I first got here.

03:46:21.000 That's right.

03:46:22.000 That might have been fueled by some...

03:46:24.000 I love Bert.

03:46:24.000 I've never met him, but I love him.

03:46:25.000 I've been fueled by some Tito's.

03:46:26.000 You want to meet him?

03:46:27.000 I would love to set that up.

03:46:29.000 Yeah, please.

03:46:30.000 100%.

03:46:30.000 Big fan.

03:46:32.000 That's the machine.

03:46:33.000 You want to meet the machine?

03:46:35.000 Of course.

03:46:35.000 Who doesn't, bro?

03:46:38.000 Bert Kreischer, I'm hooking you up with wisdom.

03:46:41.000 Please.

03:46:41.000 Greatness.

03:46:42.000 God bless it.

03:46:44.000 Okay, so, you know, Gary played on this song.

03:46:48.000 It's called Fall For That.

03:46:49.000 Okay.

03:46:50.000 Sounds like this.

03:46:53.000 Yeah, it's going to come out to Spotify, all that stuff, in April.

03:46:58.000 In April, the full album?

03:47:00.000 No, no, just this song.

03:47:01.000 When's the full album?

03:47:03.000 Not sure. 0.99

03:47:03.000 Oh, shit. 0.99

03:47:04.000 Depends on how much... 1.00

03:47:05.000 It's a mystery!

03:47:06.000 I can get it together.

03:47:09.000 You come here when it comes out?

03:47:11.000 Please.

03:47:13.000 100%.

03:47:13.000 Derek Clark Jr. Suzanne Santo.

03:47:17.000 Peace and love to you all.

03:47:19.000 We did it.

03:47:21.000 Bye.

The Joe Rogan Experience - March 03, 2020

Joe Rogan Experience #1435 - Suzanne Santo & Gary Clark Jr.

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