The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1436 - Adam Curry

00:00:00.000 We sparked one up on New Year's Eve.

00:00:02.000 We filled up that whole...

00:00:04.000 Oh, the actual real rolling paper that came with Big Bamboo?

00:00:08.000 That was the first time I really went out.

00:00:10.000 We're live right now, so we'll just let everybody know we're talking about Cheech and Chong's album, Big Bamboo, that actually came with a real rolling paper.

00:00:16.000 Yeah, huge.

00:00:17.000 I think it was across the double album.

00:00:20.000 Dude, you have a flip phone.

00:00:21.000 I do.

00:00:22.000 Respect.

00:00:22.000 I do.

00:00:23.000 You stepped out.

00:00:25.000 OTG, brother.

00:00:25.000 Yeah, you figured it out.

00:00:27.000 Create less data.

00:00:29.000 Yeah.

00:00:29.000 That's my motto.

00:00:30.000 Is that what it is?

00:00:31.000 Yeah.

00:00:31.000 Well, two things.

00:00:34.000 Your phone is always fucking with you. 0.99

00:00:37.000 It's notifying. 0.99

00:00:39.000 And I just didn't want to be a part of that anymore.

00:00:41.000 I wanted to be a little more connected to life outside.

00:00:44.000 You can still call people.

00:00:46.000 So this is actually a new flip phone from T-Mobile Alcatel.

00:00:52.000 And it has KaiOS, so it's not really a trackable OS, although Google put an investment into it.

00:00:57.000 Oh, you're serious about this?

00:00:58.000 Oh, I'm very serious about it.

00:00:59.000 So all the apps are all...

00:01:02.000 We're good to go.

00:01:20.000 Really, really, really needed to do something, but what do you need?

00:01:24.000 Text, phone call, and if there's something that I really need to look up, you just turn around and say, hey, can someone Google this for me?

00:01:31.000 They do it.

00:01:31.000 There's always someone around.

00:01:32.000 Are you texting on that thing?

00:01:34.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:01:35.000 Do T9? Is that what you're doing?

00:01:37.000 It's like a T9. It's a little bit better.

00:01:39.000 It's their version of predictive texting.

00:01:41.000 Yeah.

00:01:43.000 I really am serious about it.

00:01:45.000 Well, you should be.

00:01:46.000 Everyone should be. 0.99

00:01:47.000 I mean, we have all this cool shit, all this great technology, but the business model fucked us all. 0.98

00:01:53.000 I mean, six years ago, I had the first Amazon Echo. 0.99

00:01:56.000 I'm like, this is groundbreaking.

00:01:59.000 Dvorak, my co-host, he was laughing at me.

00:02:01.000 He's like, why would you bring a spy device into your house?

00:02:03.000 Look, I'm just testing this out. 0.99

00:02:05.000 If it had an Apple logo on it, everyone would be losing their shit right now, but it didn't. 0.95

00:02:09.000 And I loved it. 0.97

00:02:10.000 Hooked it up to the lights and all that stuff going.

00:02:13.000 And then as I started to understand what it was really doing and what it's really communicating, all these things, right down to your Roku remote, you pick that up, it's communicating with Homebase.

00:02:23.000 So all this stuff, so I got rid of all of it.

00:02:25.000 Just got rid of it.

00:02:26.000 I was listening to one of Sam Harris' podcasts, and he was talking with someone that said, and they had a really great quote, that we didn't realize that our data Was something valuable.

00:02:40.000 Right.

00:02:40.000 We didn't realize it was a commodity, and it was being sold.

00:02:43.000 Not just a commodity that's kind of valuable, but insanely valuable.

00:02:47.000 Extremely, yeah.

00:02:47.000 That's where Facebook makes all their money.

00:02:49.000 That's where Google makes all their money. 0.98

00:02:51.000 Everybody.

00:02:51.000 Yeah.

00:02:52.000 Everybody.

00:02:52.000 They make it from your data, and you never really understood what you were doing when you signed off to give that data away.

00:02:59.000 When you signed the terms of agreements, and you're like, yeah, yeah, yeah, whatever. 0.99

00:03:02.000 And nobody reads through that shit. 0.98

00:03:04.000 You know what's even more egregious is there's a company called Plaid, P-L-A-I-D, and just sold the visa for, I think, $4 or $5 billion. 0.99

00:03:13.000 And it's the financial back end or kind of like a bridge between all these apps that can do stuff with your bank account and your bank account. 0.95

00:03:24.000 So if you have an app like Venmo or, ah shit, name any payment. 0.52

00:03:31.000 Cash App? 0.98

00:03:31.000 I didn't want to disparage anyone who might be advertising on your show. 0.98

00:03:35.000 It doesn't matter.

00:03:35.000 It's okay.

00:03:35.000 Cash App too.

00:03:36.000 PayPal?

00:03:37.000 Does PayPal do it?

00:03:39.000 PayPal has their own system.

00:03:41.000 But what you do is you sign up and you literally give this app your username and login to your bank account.

00:03:48.000 Instead of an API or some kind of programming interface, it just lets the app talk to your bank account and put money in and take it out.

00:03:54.000 It can do anything.

00:03:55.000 In fact, it is just like screen scraping.

00:03:58.000 It can go through anything that's connected to your bank account, it can look at and they do.

00:04:04.000 And Credit Karma, another great example of it.

00:04:07.000 And they are just sucking out all of your information.

00:04:10.000 When you pay your bills, who you pay first, what your pattern is of credit card payment, moving stuff around. 0.99

00:04:19.000 So you think you're just using it as a utility, but they're tracking your fucking life. 0.98

00:04:24.000 Dude, you're really concerned about this. 0.98

00:04:27.000 How am I... Everybody will get the world they deserve, so I'm trying to protect myself and people I love.

00:04:33.000 Also, the drone can't target me that easily with this, so I'm protecting you, Joe.

00:04:38.000 Thank you.

00:04:39.000 It seems somewhat inevitable that this connection that we have to technology gets deeper and deeper into our lives, but what disturbs me is that there are these giant corporations that are not just profiting off of our connection, but then they're using that money and that influence to affect a lot of things in our culture.

00:04:57.000 Well, they're enslaving you.

00:04:58.000 So Credit Karma is a great example, which also just sold for $7 billion.

00:05:04.000 It was literally changing your behavior to get a higher credit score.

00:05:09.000 And this credit score isn't really even an official credit score.

00:05:12.000 It's the one that they kind of made up.

00:05:13.000 So they'll say, pay your utilities on time.

00:05:16.000 Then we'll raise your credit score.

00:05:17.000 Your credit score is higher.

00:05:18.000 Now we can lend you this money.

00:05:20.000 So they're training people to do certain things like the Progressive app for insurance.

00:05:27.000 It's training you to drive in a quote-unquote responsible manner because you get discounts if you don't brake too hard, if you're not accelerating, if you're not breaking speed limits, etc.

00:05:39.000 Is it hooked up to the GPS so it knows your speeds and everything that's monitoring it?

00:05:44.000 You're braking velocity. 1.00

00:05:46.000 All of that shit. 1.00

00:05:46.000 Oh yeah. 1.00

00:05:47.000 So they take that into consideration every month?

00:05:50.000 That's the whole point.

00:05:50.000 The point is to train the user to be a good, fiscally good person, whatever that means.

00:05:57.000 And you'll do that just because you want to save some money.

00:06:00.000 Well, of course everyone does that.

00:06:01.000 And you're going to be forced into it.

00:06:03.000 Like, I just got health insurance, new health insurance.

00:06:06.000 And they're, oh, download the app.

00:06:09.000 And if you download the app, we'll give you a break.

00:06:11.000 Why?

00:06:11.000 Because they're going to tell me to do things.

00:06:13.000 This app is saying, you know, now it's small things, but it'll start telling you, stand up, you know, move around.

00:06:19.000 And if you follow it, if you follow it, then you'll get a discount.

00:06:24.000 So we're really, really becoming enslaved that way.

00:06:27.000 That is definitely a way to look at it.

00:06:30.000 That's the business model.

00:06:31.000 Yeah.

00:06:32.000 And it gets more and more immersive.

00:06:34.000 Yeah.

00:06:35.000 Oh, yeah.

00:06:36.000 I didn't know that Progressive's app does that.

00:06:38.000 All of them do, Joe.

00:06:39.000 All of them do.

00:06:40.000 The insurance company.

00:06:41.000 Oh, yeah.

00:06:41.000 That makes sense.

00:06:42.000 I mean, that would be the best way to figure out if you're actually a good driver or if you're just some dickhead who gets lucky. 0.98

00:06:48.000 Well... 0.73

00:06:49.000 Yeah, I mean, that's kind of the marketing.

00:06:52.000 It's like, you know, if you're a good guy, don't worry about it.

00:06:54.000 But they keep pushing.

00:06:55.000 They keep pushing.

00:06:56.000 You know, they'll just keep telling you.

00:06:57.000 And you don't have to have the app active for that to be tracked or monitored.

00:07:01.000 That was one of the grossest arguments I heard after the whole Snowden thing.

00:07:05.000 Like, what do you care if you're not breaking the law?

00:07:08.000 That's changing a little bit.

00:07:09.000 I have a 29-year-old daughter, and she definitely had that mindset, and her friends did. 0.53

00:07:15.000 It's changing.

00:07:16.000 Now it's like, okay, we totally get it. 0.91

00:07:18.000 They're tracking all of our shit, so we might not use this, or we'll leave the phone at home. 0.92

00:07:23.000 There's a little bit of that creeping in, but in general... 0.99

00:07:26.000 It's like crack.

00:07:28.000 You know, how can you do it?

00:07:28.000 It's not easy.

00:07:29.000 I mean, this phone, it's sometimes like, ah, I could, but no.

00:07:35.000 And I just have to stand back and go, do I really need to have this information right at this very moment?

00:07:40.000 Do I really need to do this?

00:07:42.000 And typically, no.

00:07:43.000 Yeah, when I feel any sort of anxiety or boredom, I just grab the phone.

00:07:49.000 It's just instantly my little soothing blanket or my little teething thing.

00:07:54.000 Absolutely.

00:07:55.000 It's my little binky. 0.99

00:08:09.000 Holy crap! 0.90

00:08:10.000 They got two phones sometimes with a little button plug so it doesn't fall off. 0.86

00:08:15.000 They got their bag.

00:08:15.000 Maybe they got their kid or a stroller.

00:08:19.000 They're all over the place all the time.

00:08:22.000 So it's one point for just holding it.

00:08:24.000 Two, if you're walking and doing something, I see a lot of that.

00:08:28.000 How many points if you have a kid and you're walking and looking at your phone?

00:08:31.000 That seems like that'd be a bonus point.

00:08:32.000 If you're in the car, ten points.

00:08:35.000 If you're walking with your kid on the phone, it's five points.

00:08:38.000 And you can hit a hundred within five minutes.

00:08:40.000 It's crazy.

00:08:41.000 It's zombies.

00:08:41.000 Yeah.

00:08:42.000 When you start to really pay attention to it.

00:08:44.000 When you're above people, I have a truck, and I want to look down from my truck.

00:08:47.000 You can see people texting.

00:08:49.000 And it's stunning how many people are on the highway texting at the same time.

00:08:53.000 I got rear-ended with my truck, say, maybe two months ago in Austin.

00:09:00.000 Right after a stoplight, I was in the left-hand lane.

00:09:03.000 I was going to turn left.

00:09:04.000 Bam! 0.98

00:09:05.000 Full speed.

00:09:05.000 It was maybe 30, 35 miles an hour.

00:09:07.000 The girl's airbags deployed.

00:09:10.000 She's like...

00:09:11.000 I was in the truck.

00:09:13.000 I'm like...

00:09:13.000 Checkup went okay?

00:09:15.000 I get out.

00:09:16.000 And the whole front end is destroyed.

00:09:18.000 She's dazed.

00:09:18.000 So I'm trying to pry the door open.

00:09:21.000 And yep, there I see the phone on the floor.

00:09:24.000 Still open.

00:09:26.000 And then her excuse was, well, my brake didn't work.

00:09:28.000 Okay.

00:09:29.000 Mom, my break didn't work.

00:09:31.000 Has that ever happened?

00:09:32.000 My breaks didn't work.

00:09:33.000 I got rear-end to the same thing.

00:09:34.000 There was a slowdown on the right lane and some guy plowed right into me.

00:09:38.000 And I asked the cops.

00:09:39.000 I said, oh, this is five times a day.

00:09:42.000 Yeah, I'm sure.

00:09:42.000 It's crazy.

00:09:43.000 Yeah, it's...

00:09:44.000 It's weird that that sort of snuck up on us.

00:09:47.000 There's this thing that's incredibly addictive.

00:09:50.000 I was with my family this past weekend in Dallas, and we're at this event.

00:09:55.000 As we're walking through this crowd, I'm like, look how many people are on their phones.

00:09:59.000 This is crazy.

00:10:00.000 Like, everyone.

00:10:01.000 It was just, you're going through the crowd of the store, and everyone is just looking at their phone.

00:10:07.000 It's like a zombie movie.

00:10:08.000 They don't know they're zombies yet.

00:10:09.000 Truly is a zombie apocalypse.

00:10:12.000 Truly.

00:10:13.000 In the weirdest way.

00:10:14.000 I mean, it gives you a little bit of reward.

00:10:16.000 Every now and then, someone has a funny meme, and you're like, ha, ha, ha, ha.

00:10:19.000 That's what Silicon Valley figured out, is that the Pavlovian response and all the brain impulses you get from a like or a retweet or whatever it is, or even just something, oh, and we have different sounds, bling, plong, all this stuff.

00:10:36.000 Before we go any further, we should give you credit.

00:10:38.000 You're the reason why all this started.

00:10:39.000 You are the original podfather, the legitimate one.

00:10:44.000 There's a lot of people claiming that.

00:10:45.000 Yeah.

00:10:45.000 You're the guy who made the very first podcast.

00:10:48.000 You even came up with the name of it, right?

00:10:49.000 I didn't come up with the name.

00:10:51.000 Who came up with the name of it?

00:10:52.000 Well, let me go back to the beginning because actually the technology of podcasting was invented in 2000. So before anyone was podcasting.

00:10:59.000 Before there was an iPod, interestingly.

00:11:01.000 Hmm.

00:11:02.000 I was living in Amsterdam at the time and I was working with Dave Weiner who really invented blogging and he had created this RSS syndication format.

00:11:13.000 And he had software where you could blog and then an aggregator kind of like Google Reader at the time and you could read blogs.

00:11:21.000 It was kind of like a two-way communication thing.

00:11:23.000 It was interesting and a lot of people were starting to use it.

00:11:31.000 Right, yeah. 0.99

00:11:44.000 So the experience of multimedia was shit. 0.99

00:11:52.000 You wanted to hear a song or play a video, it was like click, wait, wait, wait, download, wait. 0.99

00:11:59.000 It would probably download and then open up some kind of player.

00:12:02.000 It was not an experience.

00:12:03.000 There was nothing there that made sense.

00:12:06.000 And I always wanted to broadcast on the unit.

00:12:08.000 That's always been my thing from the moment I saw it.

00:12:12.000 So I came up with this concept of the last yard.

00:12:15.000 So what if you had a little thing running on your computer in the background that would know if there's something you wanted.

00:12:21.000 Let's just forget the how it knows part.

00:12:24.000 It would download it and it would tell you that there was something new when it already had it on its local hard drive.

00:12:30.000 So you remove the whole wait experience because you don't know.

00:12:33.000 You don't know that this computer has been downloading something you've wanted.

00:12:36.000 It just tells you, oh, it's here, which is It's not abnormal in media.

00:12:41.000 The 6 o'clock news, most of it's produced before the actual broadcast.

00:12:46.000 I took this idea to Dave and I said, we need to come up with something that can download a media file that I program somehow, like this is going to show up, and then it downloads it and only tells me when it's there and I can click on it and it plays immediately.

00:13:02.000 And it took some convincing.

00:13:03.000 He didn't exactly understand what I was saying. 1.00

00:13:06.000 He probably thought, fucking MTV guy, get the fuck out of here. 1.00

00:13:09.000 In fact, that's exactly what he thought. 1.00

00:13:12.000 And then I actually demonstrated to him what I wanted to do in his own software.

00:13:18.000 And he said, okay, I'm going to do this. 0.98

00:13:22.000 But only on the condition you never, ever, ever fucking use my software again, because that was horrible, what you just did. 0.85

00:13:28.000 And so we created the enclosure element in RSS. And so for two years, we were doing back and forth, you know, like movie files and stuff, and oh, click, and it would open up, and the experience was good, until I saw my first iPod. 0.95

00:13:42.000 A friend of mine said, oh, look at this.

00:13:43.000 I'm like, oh, this is the white one with the big click, click, click, click, the big wheel on it.

00:13:47.000 That was a good one, right?

00:13:48.000 They got hot, you know, after a while, like big hard drive.

00:13:51.000 And I looked at it and went, This is not a digital Walkman. 0.99

00:13:55.000 This is a fucking radio receiver. 0.99

00:13:57.000 Because I had one. 1.00

00:13:58.000 I had a Sony AM radio receiver, which is a little solid state thing.

00:14:03.000 I'm like, this is a radio.

00:14:05.000 This can receive radio programming.

00:14:07.000 And so I set about, again, with my fantastic programming skills.

00:14:12.000 To make a little application.

00:14:15.000 And the iPod at the time, you still had to sync it to iTunes.

00:14:18.000 That's how you got music onto it back in the day.

00:14:21.000 And so you could put an MP3 file into a blog post, basically.

00:14:27.000 But it was a special attachment, really.

00:14:29.000 And so this program would just be looking all the time.

00:14:32.000 Is there something new?

00:14:33.000 Oh, there's something new.

00:14:34.000 Download it.

00:14:35.000 Then click, trip it so that it's synchronized to the iPod.

00:14:40.000 And it worked.

00:14:42.000 Now, not being a programmer, actually Kevin Marks, the guy who was working at Apple, sent me a version of the script that actually worked that was helpful.

00:14:49.000 And I set about creating a radio show, which we didn't have the name podcast yet, and I wanted to be able to talk to developers, software developers, who could create receivers.

00:15:03.000 So we had iPodder, iPodder X, iPodder Lemon, all these different applications which kind of did the same thing.

00:15:11.000 And because I was talking to developers, I called it the daily source code.

00:15:15.000 So I did every day, and source code is kind of what the developers work in.

00:15:19.000 And I was really talking to them, like, okay, well, the guys over in New Zealand, they've created this version of the app and it's really working well. 0.76

00:15:26.000 And we discovered all kinds of crazy shit, like... 0.82

00:15:29.000 You subscribe to a feed because no one had thought it through. 0.98

00:15:34.000 We would try and download everything you had in that feed all at once.

00:15:37.000 So I was trying to download 50 episodes.

00:15:39.000 And we still had kind of always-on internet.

00:15:42.000 So everything would crunch and die.

00:15:45.000 And this just kept building and building.

00:15:47.000 And other people started doing these. 0.98

00:15:48.000 And we called them soliloquies and little bundles of joy and all kinds of really dumb names. 0.97

00:15:54.000 And Danny Gregoire. 0.96

00:15:57.000 The guy who was just listening, he said, oh, this is a podcast.

00:16:00.000 And the name stuck.

00:16:02.000 Now, Ben Hammersley from The Guardian years earlier had actually used the term podcast somewhere in an article, which there was no podcasting at the time, but he envisioned that and called it podcast.

00:16:20.000 So he's the guy.

00:16:21.000 He's the guy who named it.

00:16:22.000 Yeah.

00:16:23.000 He used the term, but I would say Danny Gregoire really named what we were doing at the time.

00:16:29.000 And that's when I didn't name myself the Podfather, but people started calling me that.

00:16:34.000 And it just grew from there, and that went really fast.

00:16:37.000 Before I knew it, the BBC was calling, and the interviews here and there. 0.87

00:16:40.000 I'm like, holy shit, something's blowing up here.

00:16:43.000 And it wasn't until... 0.78

00:16:46.000 So the big moment was I got a call from Steve Jobs.

00:16:49.000 And he says – well, actually, it was Eddie Q, who's a big man on campus there now.

00:16:54.000 He says, can you meet with Steve?

00:16:55.000 I'm like, let me check my calendar. 1.00

00:16:58.000 Fuck yeah. 0.99

00:16:59.000 So I was in – where's the D3 conference? 1.00

00:17:02.000 Like San Diego, I think.

00:17:04.000 Went there, and I met with him for an hour.

00:17:07.000 And I had – I've met a lot of interesting people.

00:17:10.000 He's a busy dude.

00:17:12.000 My best meeting to date had been Quincy Jones where I got drunk with him for an hour on a live radio show.

00:17:18.000 Oh yeah, that was fantastic.

00:17:21.000 So here's Steve Jobs in the flesh.

00:17:23.000 Now the first thing I noticed is he's got a weird lisp that I had not really heard before.

00:17:28.000 Really?

00:17:28.000 Yeah.

00:17:29.000 So he hides it when he does those...

00:17:32.000 Maybe when he's projecting, but he was much more personable.

00:17:35.000 And it's just the two of us. 0.99

00:17:37.000 But first, he's mad, he's fucking pissed off, and he's yelling about, they fucked up Wi-Fi! 0.98

00:17:42.000 And I learned later that his plan always for the iPhone was to not be a cell phone, but to use Wi-Fi networks around the world. 0.98

00:17:54.000 And because, you know, Cisco or whoever had changed the way Wi-Fi works and the way the authentication works, that it really wouldn't be that seamless.

00:18:02.000 But that was his vision.

00:18:04.000 And, you know, so actually I thought to myself, dude, you should probably calm down.

00:18:09.000 This is going to make you sick.

00:18:11.000 And then he was talking about, oh no, Eddie Q says, yeah, you know, the RAA called and they got a problem with how we're able to, you know, record sounds on the Mac, you know, breaking any kind of encryption.

00:18:23.000 And I said, oh, yeah, it's actually kind of important because in order to record stuff, we're using like Audio Hijack Pro and all these different kinds of tools.

00:18:31.000 And I said, ma, I hope they don't do that because it's kind of important for production.

00:18:36.000 And Steve went... 1.00

00:18:36.000 Fuck it. 1.00

00:18:37.000 Tell them to fuck themselves. 1.00

00:18:38.000 This is tools our guys need. 1.00

00:18:41.000 And then he said, Adam, I'd like to put podcasting in iTunes.

00:18:46.000 Are you okay with that?

00:18:48.000 I'm like, are you kidding me?

00:18:50.000 Yes!

00:18:50.000 I'll give you my directory.

00:18:52.000 I built a directory of podcasts.

00:18:53.000 I'll give you that to start it off.

00:18:54.000 Absolutely.

00:18:56.000 And then it was kind of funny, so then maybe...

00:19:00.000 What year was this?

00:19:02.000 2004, something like that, I think.

00:19:04.000 Yeah, 2004, 2005 time frame.

00:19:06.000 And then Jamie, maybe you can find it if you want.

00:19:08.000 It's a pretty funny video.

00:19:09.000 So he announces this on stage playing my podcast where I just rail on the Mac...

00:19:17.000 Take a look.

00:19:17.000 It's pretty funny.

00:19:19.000 It's the one video that really legitimizes me in the world of podcasting.

00:19:24.000 Thank you, Steve.

00:19:25.000 I really appreciate it.

00:19:26.000 Oh, yeah.

00:19:26.000 You've got to check this out.

00:19:27.000 This is hilarious.

00:19:29.000 Well, you could try to sell podcasts, but the whole phenomenon is so great it's free.

00:19:33.000 And I think what we're going to see is an advertising-supported model emerge just like free radio.

00:19:37.000 Here's another one.

00:19:38.000 Adam Curry is one of the guys that invented podcasting.

00:19:41.000 And he has a podcast called The Daily Source.

00:19:44.000 Let me go ahead and subscribe to that.

00:19:45.000 And we can go listen to his latest one.

00:19:47.000 Just click on it.

00:19:49.000 What's your Daily Source code?

00:19:50.000 Show number 180. Something remarkable is happening here.

00:19:54.000 Radio is springing free of the regulated gatekeepers who've managed what you can hear since radio was invented.

00:20:01.000 It's jumping into the hands of anyone at all with something or nothing to say.

00:20:14.000 I like to think I'm flying into the future.

00:20:21.000 Podcasting is Adam Curry.

00:20:23.000 That's right, it's show number 180 and it's Friday, everybody.

00:20:27.000 Thank God!

00:20:30.000 I've actually had to restart the show three times. 1.00

00:20:32.000 My Mac has been acting up like a motherfucker. 0.99

00:20:35.000 I don't know what's going on. 0.99

00:20:36.000 I think it's something to do with the file system.

00:20:39.000 Okay!

00:20:42.000 He knew exactly what he was doing, bro.

00:20:44.000 I'm telling you.

00:20:45.000 He knew exactly.

00:20:46.000 Oh, yeah.

00:20:46.000 He had to.

00:20:47.000 I'm sure he wouldn't play a clip that he didn't know.

00:20:49.000 I love Kara Schwisher with her mouth just like, oh, yeah, what's happening? 0.59

00:20:53.000 That's hilarious.

00:20:54.000 And then he sent me an email later, and he said, I'm going to introduce you to some people in venture capital, Kleiner Perkins, Sequoia Capital, which I kind of took as the thank you.

00:21:04.000 And I went on to raise a lot of money from those companies to build my podcast network.

00:21:10.000 What was the first...

00:21:11.000 What year was your first podcast?

00:21:13.000 The first one that you released?

00:21:14.000 Well, so that was 2003, I guess.

00:21:16.000 2003. Wow.

00:21:18.000 So what was going on before you?

00:21:19.000 Was there anything?

00:21:20.000 Was there any other...

00:21:21.000 Well, people have been putting...

00:21:23.000 Well, we had real video and real audio, if you remember.

00:21:26.000 So that was kind of like the low-grade streaming stuff.

00:21:31.000 But this really made...

00:21:34.000 It did two things.

00:21:35.000 I mean, it solved the bandwidth problem for downloading.

00:21:37.000 That was the first.

00:21:39.000 And now that's no longer an issue, of course.

00:21:41.000 But it put the subscription model into place.

00:21:44.000 And because neither I or Dave Weiner have ever patented any of this, it's completely free and open.

00:21:51.000 So no one owns it.

00:21:52.000 And that was the mission.

00:21:54.000 I'm very proud of that.

00:21:56.000 That's beautiful.

00:21:56.000 Because, you know, otherwise, Spotify is now trying to buy podcasting.

00:22:04.000 We're good to go.

00:22:21.000 It's all because there's an open standard that no one can control. 1.00

00:22:25.000 Silicon Valley loves controlling shit. 1.00

00:22:27.000 In fact, Apple loves controlling shit. 1.00

00:22:28.000 This is one of the few things Apple has done that isn't a walled garden locked into Apple stuff. 0.99

00:22:33.000 It's interesting because they're not even monetizing it.

00:22:37.000 No.

00:22:37.000 And they have many different ways they could do stuff or they could help, but I don't know why.

00:22:45.000 I don't know why they're not.

00:22:47.000 I think it's an oversight.

00:22:48.000 I think they thought for the longest time that it was just this thing that people did that was no big deal, and then it's become so enormous, but they still have this model that they're operating under, that it's just they're just aggregating.

00:23:00.000 Could be.

00:23:01.000 I mean, and what was interesting is when they started off, they immediately started to highlight NPR programming, which I'm grateful for.

00:23:11.000 WGBH in Boston did a lot with putting their first programs, making those available as podcasts.

00:23:19.000 But kind of the...

00:23:22.000 The beauty of the amateurism of podcasting got pushed down a little bit.

00:23:28.000 It was all BBC, NPR, PBS. Radio Lab.

00:23:31.000 Radio Lab.

00:23:32.000 How you doing?

00:23:34.000 It's a little too much for me, the Radiolab.

00:23:36.000 I love Radiolab, but I know what you're saying.

00:23:38.000 It's very produced.

00:23:40.000 People answer questions for the guest.

00:23:44.000 They'll cut in.

00:23:45.000 So what he said was this.

00:23:46.000 Why don't you just let him say it?

00:23:48.000 So this is why you are the Tonight Show of our era.

00:23:53.000 By the way, I feel like I'm playing the Super Bowl here.

00:23:55.000 If you see my DMs and my text messages, people are like, Holy...

00:24:01.000 This is legendary.

00:24:02.000 They're going nuts. 1.00

00:24:04.000 And I'm like, oh shit. 1.00

00:24:05.000 I've got to prep for the Super Bowl. 0.99

00:24:07.000 I've got to get ready to slam this.

00:24:11.000 But you have taken what...

00:24:14.000 You've really done the opposite.

00:24:16.000 You've zigged everyone's zag. 0.84

00:24:18.000 And you just have a conversation, unedited.

00:24:21.000 You're a completely open type of personality.

00:24:24.000 So instead of trying to rush in and get the information...

00:24:28.000 Example, I like Eliza Schlesinger.

00:24:31.000 And she was going to be on Kimmel, and I'm like, oh, I'll stay up and watch that.

00:24:35.000 She was second guest, which kind of sucks, because you get first guest, you know, and then a bit and all that.

00:24:40.000 And there was literally, before she came on, it was six minutes of ads, then a native ad in the studio for Dee's Nuts, then another five minutes of ads.

00:24:49.000 It was 12 minutes of commercials, and Schlesinger was on for five minutes!

00:24:54.000 Not even a clip!

00:24:56.000 So people are sick and tired of it.

00:24:59.000 I mean, the existing media, because of just the structure that's in place, the ratings game that probably isn't really reality, but it's an approved methodology.

00:25:11.000 People believe in those numbers.

00:25:14.000 That's still there, but there's a reason why you get Tulsi Gabbard and Bernie Sanders and people want to come on your show because you speak to an entire generation. 0.96

00:25:22.000 My daughter is like, holy shit, my friends are all telling me that you're going to be on Rogan.

00:25:29.000 She never, never talks to me about any of that stuff. 0.98

00:25:32.000 Like, but you know, Rogan?

00:25:32.000 Oh, okay!

00:25:33.000 This is a little different.

00:25:34.000 That's hilarious.

00:25:35.000 Well, it's not like you don't know it.

00:25:37.000 It's weird.

00:25:38.000 I do know, but it's weird.

00:25:39.000 Why do you say it's weird?

00:25:41.000 It's just weird.

00:25:42.000 It's weird.

00:25:43.000 Well, there was no intention.

00:25:46.000 Like, starting it from the beginning was just fun.

00:25:48.000 And then I, well, this is cool.

00:25:50.000 And then once it got, like, a certain amount of people, there was a point in time where I started getting guests.

00:25:56.000 So I was like, you want to do my podcast?

00:25:58.000 And, you know, certain cool people like Anthony Bourdain was one of the first ones.

00:26:01.000 Well, I remember in the beginning, and I've always wanted to be on your show.

00:26:04.000 I think we've tweeted, you know, maybe seven years ago or something, and you were in Austin.

00:26:10.000 But I always felt like, dude, it's doing some kind of pirate radio out there. 0.99

00:26:14.000 You know, it's like, what is this shit? 0.99

00:26:15.000 You know, there's something cool going on there. 1.00

00:26:17.000 You know, you've got all these people around you, and...

00:26:20.000 And the comics or comedians?

00:26:21.000 Which do you prefer?

00:26:22.000 Either one's fine.

00:26:23.000 I don't think it matters.

00:26:24.000 Okay.

00:26:25.000 Some people are sticklers for it, and I always find them to be annoying.

00:26:28.000 So what I liked so much is that comedians gravitated toward it and said, okay, we can be funny and we can do stuff that isn't necessarily our jokes that are going to get ripped off.

00:26:39.000 Because I think for the longest time, comedians would be like, I don't want to be on the internet. 0.93

00:26:43.000 I'm not putting my shit out there because people will steal my jokes. 0.97

00:26:45.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:26:51.000 Yeah.

00:27:01.000 We kind of created a real organic network.

00:27:05.000 That's one of the things.

00:27:06.000 We all kind of talk about it, that networks, if you think of a network like NBC or whatever, you think of, it's a controlled network with executives and shareholders, and then there's commercials.

00:27:18.000 There's all these different standards that you have to apply to.

00:27:22.000 And agendas.

00:27:23.000 Right, exactly.

00:27:23.000 But we're on the network together.

00:27:25.000 We're on Tuesday at 8, and these guys are on Thursday at 7, and all that shit. 0.84

00:27:29.000 So I made that same mistake, thinking that I could build a podcast network and run it kind of like a hybrid network record company, and raised a lot of money to do it, too.

00:27:41.000 First mistake is that the VC guys, they wanted us to be in San Francisco. 0.98

00:27:45.000 Who the fuck builds a media company in San Francisco? 0.98

00:27:48.000 But okay. 0.98

00:27:50.000 It just doesn't work for a number of reasons, but the main one is the advertising model is just not built for this.

00:27:59.000 An advertiser wants to know, and I'm talking real advertising, I'm not talking underwear and mattresses and Squarespace.

00:28:07.000 We're talking automotive, pharmaceutical, telecom.

00:28:12.000 That's where the real money is.

00:28:14.000 They want to know exactly what they're going to be advertised on.

00:28:17.000 And if they don't know what it is, they want no part of it.

00:28:20.000 Especially now as we have cancel culture through social networking, they want no part of it.

00:28:27.000 So it's just not going to be spectacular.

00:28:32.000 You're not going to take those advertisers away.

00:28:35.000 What I meant by network is not that, though.

00:28:37.000 No, I know.

00:28:37.000 But that's what I'm saying.

00:28:38.000 I tried to build the contained network.

00:28:41.000 Failed.

00:28:42.000 In my mind, people made money.

00:28:45.000 The investors didn't make money, but everyone else made money.

00:28:47.000 A lot of people have tried to do that.

00:28:49.000 All things comedy.

00:28:49.000 They're still trying it.

00:28:50.000 They're still trying it.

00:28:51.000 It's not that profitable.

00:28:52.000 And it's also, the ones that are successful are successful, and the other ones aren't.

00:28:56.000 And the idea that they're all sharing revenue, it's like, you kind of eat what you kill.

00:29:01.000 Yeah.

00:29:01.000 So what you're trying to say here about the ad hoc network is totally the way to go.

00:29:06.000 What I'm saying is we didn't even think about it.

00:29:09.000 We just were supporting each other.

00:29:11.000 Comedians always suffered from famine syndrome because there was only a few shows on television and we were all trying to be on a sitcom or you were all trying to be the host of a late night show and there was only a handful of those.

00:29:23.000 I'm sure everyone wanted to be that.

00:29:24.000 So that famine mentality created a lot of weird animosity and competition between comedians.

00:29:30.000 Mm-hmm.

00:29:31.000 And then somewhere along the line, the internet came along.

00:29:33.000 And then YouTube videos started making people famous.

00:29:36.000 And then podcasts started making people famous.

00:29:38.000 And then we all realized, like, the old model of, like, hey, if you do Leno, you can't do Letterman.

00:29:44.000 Like, there was a lot of that nonsense back then.

00:29:47.000 Of course. 1.00

00:29:47.000 That shit's out the window. 1.00

00:29:49.000 Now, everybody does everybody's show. 1.00

00:29:50.000 Like, Bill Burr does mine.

00:29:52.000 I do his.

00:29:53.000 We all do each other.

00:29:53.000 I'll do Joey Diaz.

00:29:54.000 He'll do mine.

00:29:55.000 We're all friends. 0.99

00:29:56.000 And what happens is I hear Bill Burr on your show, and I'm like, oh, fuck, he's got a podcast? 0.98

00:30:00.000 You know, Monday morning podcast? 0.98

00:30:02.000 Boom, subscribe.

00:30:03.000 Joey Diaz, not necessarily my kind of guy, but he's off the hook.

00:30:07.000 His own podcast is kind of fun.

00:30:09.000 So you are, in a way, kind of like a mothership?

00:30:11.000 The rising tide lifts all boats.

00:30:13.000 That's how we think about it.

00:30:15.000 How crazy.

00:30:16.000 Yeah, but it's not even that way.

00:30:18.000 It's just like everybody gets to do well.

00:30:20.000 It's not that we're thinking of it in terms of an industry at all.

00:30:24.000 It's really just fun.

00:30:26.000 It just happens to be profitable.

00:30:28.000 But the way we started it out, with no thought whatsoever of it ever being profitable... 0.84

00:30:33.000 That's why it became what it is, because it was all like doing giant bong hits and hitting all this vaporizer and literally not even knowing what you're talking about while you're talking half the time and having fun with a bunch of silly people.

00:30:44.000 It was part of the appeal because everybody wants to be at the party.

00:30:48.000 Yeah.

00:30:49.000 That's why radio stations do remote broadcasts.

00:30:53.000 That's why top 40 stations go to Popeyes and, hey, we're here this morning, everybody.

00:30:58.000 Right.

00:30:58.000 Everyone wants to be part of it.

00:30:59.000 And if you're actually partying, I mean, that's what people love, of course.

00:31:05.000 Yeah, we do these podcasts called Fight Companions, and they're some of our most popular ever.

00:31:10.000 And we'll watch fights and drink and smoke weed while the fights are going on.

00:31:14.000 And they're madness.

00:31:15.000 They become total chaos.

00:31:17.000 And those are some of the most popular podcasts we do.

00:31:19.000 Shout out to Ryan, my dance instructor, who's a huge fan.

00:31:22.000 You're a dancer?

00:31:23.000 What kind of dance are you doing?

00:31:24.000 My wife and I, we're dancing.

00:31:27.000 What are you doing?

00:31:27.000 Yeah, yeah, of course.

00:31:29.000 It's part of my workout regimen.

00:31:31.000 It is a workout, man.

00:31:32.000 It's a huge workout.

00:31:33.000 It's a real workout.

00:31:33.000 Oh, yeah.

00:31:33.000 It's a lesson in body coordination and awareness.

00:31:38.000 I mean, we'll do a double lesson.

00:31:41.000 This has always been my dream.

00:31:44.000 So finally I found a woman who... 1.00

00:31:47.000 Do you dance at all?

00:31:48.000 Have you ever danced ballroom dance?

00:31:49.000 No, but I did have to take dance lessons for this movie Zookeeper that I did a few years back.

00:31:53.000 Oh, it was with Kevin James?

00:31:55.000 Kevin James, yeah.

00:31:56.000 It had a whole dance scene where it was like weeks and weeks.

00:31:59.000 I like that movie.

00:32:00.000 Me and Leslie Bibb had this thing on the floor.

00:32:02.000 It was fun.

00:32:02.000 So, it is the man leads the woman.

00:32:09.000 It is a very traditional role in dancing.

00:32:12.000 Or if you have two women dancing, one of them has to be the lead. 1.00

00:32:15.000 But in this case, and the woman has to give into it. 1.00

00:32:19.000 And it is, for both of us, we find it, you know, just for being together and I'm leading, she's following.

00:32:26.000 It's a total trust thing.

00:32:27.000 There's all this interaction that you have, which is almost frowned upon in today's society.

00:32:34.000 You know, oh, what?

00:32:35.000 The man is actually, even me saying this?

00:32:37.000 That you're leading.

00:32:38.000 Oh, you're leading.

00:32:39.000 I'm leading.

00:32:40.000 It's, you know, it's called leading.

00:32:42.000 But when we do an hour and a half, like a double lesson, I'm sweating.

00:32:45.000 Like, I'm in all your muscles, everything.

00:32:48.000 And Just look at them on Dancing with the Stars. 1.00

00:32:49.000 These fuckers are cut. 1.00

00:32:50.000 It's hard. 1.00

00:32:51.000 You know, I talked to Chuck Liddell, who is the UFC light heavyweight champion, and he told me that Dancing with the Stars was one of the hardest things he ever did.

00:32:57.000 I believe it.

00:32:57.000 Just preparing for it.

00:32:58.000 I believe it.

00:32:59.000 Yeah.

00:32:59.000 It's hard.

00:33:00.000 Dancing's real.

00:33:02.000 Joe Rogan says, Dancing's real.

00:33:04.000 It's real.

00:33:04.000 It's a bumper sticker.

00:33:05.000 It's a real...

00:33:06.000 It is real.

00:33:07.000 It's a difficult thing to do.

00:33:08.000 And the cool thing is you can do it anywhere.

00:33:10.000 Yeah.

00:33:10.000 True.

00:33:11.000 So we want to get to the...

00:33:12.000 We've only just started a couple months, but we want to get to the part where we can just go into a place and just dance.

00:33:17.000 Yeah.

00:33:17.000 Oh, look at that.

00:33:18.000 That's cool. 1.00

00:33:20.000 I'm a big believer in learning things and taking lessons and just something you suck at. 0.98

00:33:26.000 Just try it.

00:33:26.000 So I got my ham radio license.

00:33:30.000 Academically, I'm a piece of shit. 1.00

00:33:31.000 I barely made it through high school. 1.00

00:33:33.000 I dropped out of college in two months.

00:33:35.000 Like, this is not for me.

00:33:36.000 This is not for me.

00:33:37.000 I learned how to fly helicopters and airplanes.

00:33:42.000 So I've gotten all these things.

00:33:45.000 Not that I really fly that much anymore.

00:33:47.000 Bird does helicopters.

00:33:48.000 I know.

00:33:49.000 I heard that.

00:33:49.000 He flew me around downtown LA. Yeah, and is Robin 44 or 22?

00:33:53.000 He doesn't have his own.

00:33:54.000 He was using one of the ones at this helicopter company.

00:33:58.000 Right.

00:33:58.000 Was it a four-seater or a two-seater?

00:34:00.000 It was a four-seater.

00:34:00.000 Okay, Robinson 44. Yeah.

00:34:02.000 Yeah, that's what I trained in.

00:34:03.000 I owned two helicopters.

00:34:04.000 Really?

00:34:05.000 I had a helicopter company.

00:34:07.000 Whoa! 0.71

00:34:08.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:34:08.000 In Texas, you could shoot pigs out of them. 1.00

00:34:10.000 Yes, but... 0.96

00:34:11.000 You ever seen those?

00:34:11.000 This was in the Netherlands.

00:34:13.000 Yeah, no, believe me, I've been invited.

00:34:15.000 I'm sure, yeah.

00:34:15.000 I've been invited.

00:34:16.000 I don't like that idea.

00:34:19.000 It seems kind of unfair.

00:34:19.000 Well, it's a very unfair idea, but also, they have to do something.

00:34:24.000 Like, there's millions and millions of wild pigs. 0.89

00:34:24.000 Well, the pigs are a problem. 0.89

00:34:26.000 The pigs are a problem. 0.99

00:34:27.000 But it's just like... 0.99

00:34:28.000 To me, it's like, ha ha!

00:34:29.000 Exactly.

00:34:30.000 The problem is, that's the problem, right?

00:34:31.000 I don't like that.

00:34:32.000 The problem is the joking around about it while death is happening.

00:34:36.000 It's a disturbing and very unwinnable situation because the feral hog problem is so big, particularly in Texas, that they lose millions of dollars in crops every year.

00:34:48.000 It's a real problem.

00:34:49.000 I just can't get into the $300 an hour helicopter just shooting out of it.

00:34:54.000 Yeah, out of the window.

00:34:55.000 Yeah.

00:34:56.000 It's a lot of food, though.

00:34:57.000 It does make a lot of food.

00:34:59.000 They donate the food to homeless people.

00:35:00.000 I have never shot a living thing.

00:35:01.000 I have guns.

00:35:03.000 I've shot a lot of guns.

00:35:04.000 Do you eat meat?

00:35:05.000 Yeah.

00:35:06.000 Oh, hell yeah.

00:35:07.000 Wild pigs are a good place to start. 1.00

00:35:09.000 There's a place that does oryx.

00:35:12.000 Okay.

00:35:12.000 Have you ever had oryx?

00:35:13.000 No, I have not.

00:35:14.000 Oh, my God.

00:35:15.000 It's so good.

00:35:16.000 So they have the conservation in Texas.

00:35:19.000 And there's actually more oryx in Texas than in Africa, I believe.

00:35:23.000 That's true, yeah.

00:35:24.000 Because they're really managing them. 0.99

00:35:27.000 You can go there, you can hunt them, shoot them, and then they'll dress the whole thing for you if you want. 0.99

00:35:32.000 You can do it yourself. 1.00

00:35:33.000 That part's not for me.

00:35:34.000 I don't know, I just don't think I can...

00:35:37.000 If I had to, no problem.

00:35:39.000 You don't have to.

00:35:40.000 Yeah, no, I get it, man.

00:35:42.000 I get it.

00:35:43.000 It's not for everybody.

00:35:43.000 Have you ever shot something?

00:35:45.000 Yeah, yeah, I hunt.

00:35:46.000 Oh, I do bow and arrow, right.

00:35:48.000 That's a whole different level.

00:35:49.000 Yeah, well, that was my first animal I ever shot, that deer.

00:35:54.000 I shot it on a TV show called Meat Eater, and I got hooked right after that.

00:35:57.000 Because I was either going to become a vegetarian or I was going to become a hunter.

00:36:00.000 Right.

00:36:01.000 I'd seen too many of those PETA videos.

00:36:03.000 You dress them, you do all that yourself?

00:36:04.000 I do everything.

00:36:04.000 I got a buddy who does that, Scott, in Austin.

00:36:08.000 Yeah.

00:36:08.000 When I go elk hunting, we'll dress it in the field and quarter it, but then I'll send it to a butcher to get it chopped up in different cuts.

00:36:15.000 I love meat.

00:36:17.000 There's nothing wrong with that.

00:36:19.000 I understand what you're saying.

00:36:21.000 To pull the trigger and to be there when an animal dies.

00:36:24.000 It's intense, but it also makes you realize what you're doing when you're eating meat.

00:36:28.000 Absolutely.

00:36:28.000 And I think just knowing this, I'm cognizant of it.

00:36:31.000 I don't bless my food, but I think about it.

00:36:34.000 I'm like, alright, thanks, man.

00:36:36.000 Thanks, madam, cow, whatever. 1.00

00:36:38.000 When I was in Utah last September and I shot this elk, not only do these guys pray for the elk, everyone takes their hat off, but they actually take a wad of grass that the elk eat and they make like a bundle of it and they put it down on the elk carcass when we're done.

00:36:53.000 Cleaning the elk.

00:36:54.000 So after the bare bones of the elk, after the meat's removed, they put this thing down.

00:36:59.000 They take their hats off.

00:37:00.000 It was pretty serious.

00:37:01.000 These guides, they do it with every elk that dies.

00:37:04.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:37:05.000 Because it's part of their livelihood, but it's also, they're majestic.

00:37:08.000 And they're delicious.

00:37:11.000 They're beautiful animals.

00:37:12.000 Yeah, and they're so special.

00:37:14.000 They're so interesting.

00:37:14.000 Mm-hmm.

00:37:15.000 If I could just eat elk for the rest of my life, I'd be happy doing that.

00:37:19.000 Reindeer?

00:37:20.000 Have you tried reindeer?

00:37:20.000 No, caribou.

00:37:21.000 Okay.

00:37:22.000 So reindeer in Finland had some reindeer.

00:37:25.000 There's a restaurant, and then a buddy of mine worked at Nokia at the time.

00:37:29.000 And they bring you a picture.

00:37:30.000 This is him.

00:37:32.000 What?

00:37:33.000 And he's alive.

00:37:34.000 You're like, it was Rudolph.

00:37:36.000 And then there he is.

00:37:37.000 So they kill him right before they serve him?

00:37:39.000 I don't know that, but they do show you, you know, this is the one you're eating right here.

00:37:42.000 Oh, wow.

00:37:43.000 Yeah.

00:37:43.000 That's intense.

00:37:44.000 Very tasty, though.

00:37:45.000 It's fantastic, fantastic meat.

00:37:47.000 Yeah, caribou is a very prized meat.

00:37:50.000 And they're amazing animals too.

00:37:52.000 And they have these huge herds of them.

00:37:54.000 I went to the North Pole and I saw just tons of them.

00:37:57.000 Tons of them up there.

00:37:58.000 Do you know the whole story with them and psychedelics?

00:38:01.000 With caribou?

00:38:02.000 Yeah.

00:38:03.000 No, but I'm interested.

00:38:04.000 Okay.

00:38:05.000 Caribou are connected to a mushroom called the Amanita muscaria mushroom.

00:38:10.000 They're addicted to this mushroom.

00:38:11.000 They eat it constantly.

00:38:13.000 They've actually been known when people do psychedelic ceremonies and they go outside of their yurts to pee, caribou will knock them over to try to get to their urine because their urine is rich with the smell of this mushroom.

00:38:26.000 This mushroom.

00:38:26.000 Yeah, they eat it constantly.

00:38:27.000 Hence...

00:38:28.000 It's a psychedelic mushroom?

00:38:29.000 The flying reindeer.

00:38:30.000 It gets crazier.

00:38:31.000 The connection between Santa Claus and reindeers is very strange.

00:38:35.000 The connection between Santa Claus and this mushroom is also very strange.

00:38:39.000 The mushroom looks like Santa Claus.

00:38:41.000 It's red and white.

00:38:43.000 It also shows up under pine trees.

00:38:45.000 It has a mycorrhizal relationship with coniferous trees.

00:38:48.000 So when it rains, the mushrooms will pop up under these trees.

00:38:53.000 So these bright packages that look...

00:38:56.000 Packages under the tree.

00:38:57.000 Exactly.

00:38:58.000 That is what they look like under trees.

00:39:00.000 Wait.

00:39:01.000 Boom.

00:39:01.000 Yeah, not only that, it gets crazier.

00:39:03.000 Yeah, blowing my mind.

00:39:03.000 It gets crazier.

00:39:04.000 To dry them off, the shamans would pick them and then put them in the pine needles to dry them off.

00:39:13.000 So just like balls hanging from a Christmas tree and ornaments in a Christmas tree.

00:39:18.000 Well, we still put pine cones in the tree.

00:39:21.000 Exactly.

00:39:22.000 And balls, those bright colored balls. 0.59

00:39:24.000 They think the origin of that was those things. 0.94

00:39:27.000 Also, Santa Claus came down the Christmas tree, or excuse me, the chimney.

00:39:31.000 When they were discouraging these shamanic rituals, people had to sneak into people's houses to perform them.

00:39:39.000 And one of the ways they did that was to climb down through the chimney.

00:39:42.000 So the shaman would drop down to the chimney with a bag of mushrooms, and then they would all have these ceremonies.

00:39:48.000 And when these ceremonies were forbidden, that's how they got around it.

00:39:53.000 The relationship between Santa Claus and Christmas...

00:39:57.000 And this mushroom is very strange.

00:40:00.000 And there's tons of articles.

00:40:01.000 Also, almost all of the old Christmas cards had the Amanita muscaria mushroom on it.

00:40:07.000 And elves, also, the elves, the connection between elves and these mushrooms.

00:40:09.000 I've got to ask Dvorak about that.

00:40:11.000 He's an archivist.

00:40:12.000 He collects old Christmas cards.

00:40:14.000 Oh, does he?

00:40:15.000 I'll bet you he has some of those.

00:40:16.000 Find old Christmas cards with mushrooms.

00:40:19.000 There's thousands of them.

00:40:20.000 I've never done mushrooms.

00:40:21.000 What?

00:40:22.000 I've done DMT. No, no, no.

00:40:24.000 Thank you.

00:40:24.000 I'll smoke weed.

00:40:25.000 And I did DMT and enjoyed it very, very much.

00:40:28.000 That's a wild one, huh?

00:40:29.000 I did it twice.

00:40:30.000 See, look at these old Christmas trees.

00:40:33.000 Oh, yeah.

00:40:33.000 Find some ones that show, like, look at that one right there in the middle.

00:40:37.000 Yeah, there you go.

00:40:38.000 See that one?

00:40:39.000 Merry Christmas. 0.99

00:40:40.000 Trip your balls off, kids. 0.99

00:40:42.000 Hey, look, they all have mushrooms. 1.00

00:40:44.000 Oh, my God.

00:40:45.000 See, in the early 1900s, when they were making these, and even in the 1800s, people were just more connected to the origins of these stories.

00:40:52.000 Sure, sure.

00:40:52.000 And over time, we've kind of lost that connection.

00:40:54.000 Oh, we've commercialized it into all kinds of other shit. 0.82

00:40:56.000 But it's always the Amanita muscaria. 0.95

00:40:58.000 If you look at these.

00:40:59.000 Yeah, the mushroom, of course.

00:41:00.000 It's always that one mushroom that looks like Santa Claus.

00:41:03.000 Wow.

00:41:04.000 Yeah.

00:41:04.000 It's a weird mushroom, though.

00:41:06.000 That was a complicated mushroom because it varies genetically and also varies geographically and also varies seasonally.

00:41:12.000 I've done it before, but I never had a good reaction out of it.

00:41:16.000 I did it with my friend Stan Hope.

00:41:19.000 Doug and I did it and we weren't feeling it and then we had some other mushrooms.

00:41:23.000 We brought some psilocybin mushrooms.

00:41:25.000 We threw them into the party and then we took off.

00:41:28.000 I'm not into eating any drugs.

00:41:30.000 I like smoking flour.

00:41:32.000 That's about it.

00:41:33.000 I grew up in Amsterdam that made it kind of easy.

00:41:35.000 Yeah, I'm sure.

00:41:36.000 Yeah, it's tricky, especially when you don't know what you're getting.

00:41:41.000 But mushrooms are pretty standard.

00:41:44.000 Once you've done it a few times, you know what you're getting into.

00:41:47.000 But that mushroom and Christmas, it's very...

00:41:50.000 And anyway, the caribou, which pulls Santa's reindeer, pull the sled, right?

00:41:54.000 Well, they're flying because they're tripping their balls off. 1.00

00:41:57.000 They're high as fuck. 1.00

00:41:58.000 Wow. 1.00

00:41:58.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:41:59.000 The more you know.

00:42:00.000 Yeah, I mean, that's probably the reason why those reindeer are addicted to that mushroom. 1.00

00:42:04.000 They favor it.

00:42:05.000 They love it.

00:42:05.000 Yeah.

00:42:07.000 That's a normal story.

00:42:09.000 That mushroom also is a weird one in that when people take it, they trip, and then to really enhance their trip, they drink their urine.

00:42:16.000 Because apparently, in the urine contains, like your body filters out.

00:42:22.000 You get an extra, like, super blast.

00:42:25.000 Exactly.

00:42:26.000 Yeah.

00:42:26.000 Fantastic.

00:42:27.000 Weird stuff.

00:42:28.000 I'm trying to cut back on drinking my pee, though.

00:42:30.000 Yeah, it's a good move.

00:42:30.000 Just a bit.

00:42:31.000 It's unsightly.

00:42:33.000 People catch you doing it.

00:42:34.000 They give you the weird eye.

00:42:35.000 It's socially so unacceptable.

00:42:37.000 You know, just like, what the hell are you doing, Curry?

00:42:38.000 Yeah, but anyway, caribou.

00:42:41.000 I've never had it, but I've heard it's delicious.

00:42:42.000 I've had a bunch of different kinds of deer.

00:42:44.000 Axis deer is probably the favorite.

00:42:46.000 That's really delicious.

00:42:47.000 That's another one.

00:42:48.000 It's a weird deer because it's an invasive species in Texas.

00:42:52.000 Oh, I got them in the backyard.

00:42:54.000 Oh, do you have access here in your backyard?

00:42:55.000 No, no, I got deer.

00:42:56.000 Oh, really?

00:42:57.000 Yeah, I don't know.

00:42:58.000 Just regular whitetail deer?

00:42:59.000 I have no idea.

00:43:00.000 Do they have white spots all over their bodies and weird horns? 0.91

00:43:04.000 Or does it look kind of like that?

00:43:05.000 That's a mule deer.

00:43:06.000 You probably don't have too many of those.

00:43:08.000 I don't know.

00:43:08.000 You probably have whitetails.

00:43:09.000 I don't know.

00:43:10.000 They hiss. 1.00

00:43:14.000 Shut the fuck up. 1.00

00:43:15.000 Yeah, that's the girls usually. 1.00

00:43:16.000 They're letting the men know that there's some danger here.

00:43:19.000 Yeah, they just walk right through the backyard, walk onto the street.

00:43:23.000 We live in a cul-de-sac.

00:43:24.000 They're all over the place.

00:43:25.000 Whatever.

00:43:26.000 Okay.

00:43:27.000 Yeah, that's what happens when there's no predators.

00:43:29.000 It becomes a real issue.

00:43:30.000 People slam their cars into them.

00:43:32.000 I have a buddy who lives in Iowa, and you can't even, when it's the rut, like in November, you can't even drive.

00:43:37.000 Yeah, you just are crossing the road everywhere.

00:43:39.000 Everywhere you're going, you better be going 20 miles an hour, because they just dart out with a boner. 1.00

00:43:42.000 They don't know what they're doing, because the males lose their fucking marbles. 1.00

00:43:46.000 They're basically rodents, you know, just kind of like, what the hell? 1.00

00:43:49.000 They're not that wise. 0.97

00:43:50.000 So, I don't feed them.

00:43:51.000 Just go away. 0.98

00:43:52.000 Yeah, that's smart.

00:43:53.000 Just keep them going.

00:43:54.000 Move on, people.

00:43:55.000 Nothing to see here.

00:43:55.000 Yeah, but if you have, like, apples or something in your backyard, then it becomes a real problem.

00:43:58.000 No, don't have any of that.

00:43:58.000 No.

00:43:59.000 At least you guys don't have bears. 0.99

00:44:01.000 That's when it really is a pain in the ass when people... 0.99

00:44:03.000 We got coyotes now, though. 0.99

00:44:04.000 I bet you do.

00:44:05.000 Yeah, I saw a couple of those walking through the yard.

00:44:07.000 I have no pets.

00:44:11.000 Yeah, we've lost pets.

00:44:12.000 I used to have so many pets.

00:44:14.000 I had everything.

00:44:16.000 Dogs, cats, goats.

00:44:18.000 Do you feel free now without them?

00:44:20.000 I do.

00:44:21.000 Yeah, I do. 0.97

00:44:22.000 You don't really realize it until you're closing the sliding door, you're opening it up, and you're not thinking, shit, is someone going to get out? 0.98

00:44:32.000 That's very free. 0.97

00:44:33.000 Right.

00:44:33.000 That's a weird thing, too.

00:44:34.000 I always feel bad the cats can't even go outside.

00:44:37.000 Well, they can't go outside in Texas.

00:44:39.000 They'll get eaten.

00:44:39.000 They'll get eaten, yeah.

00:44:40.000 But it's just sad that they can't even go outside. 1.00

00:44:43.000 Like, what the fuck kind of life is that? 1.00

00:44:44.000 Just living in a little prison where you get free massages? 1.00

00:44:46.000 Yeah, like gerbils.

00:44:47.000 You're in a cage.

00:44:48.000 I don't like goldfish.

00:44:50.000 I don't like any of that.

00:44:51.000 Goats, though.

00:44:51.000 I had a lot of goats.

00:44:52.000 Those are mean fuckers. 1.00

00:44:53.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:44:54.000 Horses, too.

00:44:55.000 I had a thing.

00:44:56.000 My daughter had horses. 0.99

00:44:58.000 I had a castle in Belgium, and we had...

00:45:01.000 And two horses there.

00:45:02.000 You got a castle in Belgium?

00:45:04.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:45:04.000 Damn. 1.00

00:45:04.000 I used to have money. 1.00

00:45:06.000 Is this the MTV money?

00:45:08.000 No, no.

00:45:09.000 I took my company public in 96 called Think New Ideas and it was one of the first internet marketing advertising companies and it was big.

00:45:20.000 We had 400 people.

00:45:21.000 It was a big company.

00:45:22.000 Oh, wow.

00:45:24.000 And yeah, my buddy and I, we just worked out, and we took it public.

00:45:28.000 Back then, it was like, this is before the real dot-com craze, so we raised $20 million. 0.75

00:45:33.000 Like, holy shit, we couldn't believe it, which is nothing these days.

00:45:36.000 And after all the lawyers and everyone had taken their money, there was $15 million left, and so we started to build the business. 0.94

00:45:43.000 And what were we talking about?

00:45:46.000 A castle.

00:45:46.000 You have a castle in Belgium.

00:45:47.000 Oh, yeah.

00:45:47.000 So there was that, and then I'd also, at the time, someone had said...

00:45:53.000 I did pretty well on the IPO. Not crazy, but okay.

00:45:58.000 I learned what dilution means.

00:46:01.000 I learned that pretty quick.

00:46:02.000 But I had invested $50,000 in some company and then in 2000, just before 2000, moved to Amsterdam and moved back to the Netherlands.

00:46:11.000 And the bank called me and said, are you sitting down?

00:46:14.000 I said, yeah.

00:46:14.000 What's up?

00:46:15.000 I said, remember that company you invested in?

00:46:17.000 I said, yeah.

00:46:18.000 Well, it went public.

00:46:20.000 It was Ask Jeeves.

00:46:22.000 And you now have $65 million.

00:46:24.000 I'm like, on paper.

00:46:27.000 On paper, Joe.

00:46:28.000 So, lock up.

00:46:29.000 You couldn't sell any of it.

00:46:30.000 You know, all this stuff.

00:46:31.000 So, I did get some out, but, you know, basically wrote it down to wallpaper.

00:46:35.000 How come you can't sell it?

00:46:36.000 Well, if you're an insider...

00:46:38.000 Right.

00:46:39.000 You lock up your shares.

00:46:41.000 It's an SEC regulation.

00:46:42.000 So you can't sell for...

00:46:44.000 I think it's negotiable, but it's...

00:46:47.000 So the other investors who come in won't be left holding the bag. 0.99

00:46:52.000 So, you know, you do the IPO and then all the insiders sell their shares and everyone who just bought at the IPO, then all their shit goes down in value and they're screwed. 0.97

00:47:00.000 So you have to... 0.96

00:47:01.000 There's a lock up typically six months or 12 months or 18 months.

00:47:04.000 And through some...

00:47:06.000 Back-ended way.

00:47:08.000 I don't know what the hell was going on.

00:47:09.000 Bankers do it with swapping stuff and promises and derivatives.

00:47:12.000 They were able to get some money out for me that I spent on helicopters and castles and all kinds of fun stuff.

00:47:19.000 I've enjoyed the money.

00:47:20.000 That's good.

00:47:21.000 Definitely.

00:47:22.000 Glad I got the podcasting thing left.

00:47:23.000 How did you get back to Austin?

00:47:27.000 Well, so I had the company in San Francisco.

00:47:29.000 This was a different company, the podcast company.

00:47:32.000 And I was living in London at the time, so I lived there for five years. 0.99

00:47:35.000 Damn, you're an international traveler. 0.98

00:47:37.000 Oh, I've lived in a couple places. 1.00

00:47:39.000 And was going back and forth, San Francisco, London.

00:47:43.000 And there was a breakup between me and my wife, and we got divorced.

00:47:49.000 And so I stayed in San Francisco.

00:47:51.000 And then moved to California, to Los Angeles for about a year.

00:48:00.000 I always wanted to live in LA. I lived in the hills over by Highland.

00:48:05.000 And it just didn't work for me.

00:48:07.000 I was doing basically the podcast, and that shows me like 12, 13 years ago.

00:48:13.000 And I don't know, it was just...

00:48:15.000 Maybe it was that area, but I really had nowhere else to go, and if I wanted to go somewhere, I'm just sitting in traffic all day.

00:48:20.000 It's like, if I wanted to go to the beach, no.

00:48:22.000 I was with a woman at the time who was an actress.

00:48:29.000 Never marry an actress, man.

00:48:31.000 I was warned.

00:48:33.000 So she wanted to be in that general area, so it just wasn't working for me.

00:48:37.000 And then I did a tour from Virginia down to Florida, the Gulf Coast, for the show with an RV, doing the show from the RV, meeting people, doing meetups.

00:48:49.000 And it was just around the time when you had the BP oil spill in the Gulf.

00:48:55.000 And so people were really depressed, and it was all messy, and it was not a good vibe.

00:49:00.000 And I was going to go straight up to Chicago.

00:49:03.000 And a buddy of mine, Greg Lawley, who was one of the true last independent record promoters who I'd known from San Francisco, and I knew him from Chicago back from the radio days, and he said, oh, Adam, come to Austin.

00:49:15.000 You'll love it.

00:49:16.000 Come to Austin.

00:49:17.000 You stay at my place, come to Austin.

00:49:18.000 I'm like, no, man, I'd never really been to Texas.

00:49:21.000 It's like, that doesn't really interest me.

00:49:22.000 I'm just going to go up to Chicago.

00:49:24.000 And he just kept pushing and pushing as I'm driving up, and then he says, or I thought to myself, Greg is flamboyantly gay, single dad, adopted a kid from Ukraine, and if he's in Texas and he's still alive, it can't be that bad. 0.60

00:49:40.000 Ha ha ha!

00:49:42.000 Maybe it's just Austin.

00:49:43.000 I don't know.

00:49:43.000 So I visited, and we did a meetup.

00:49:46.000 And this is in the summer, so it's about 112 degrees.

00:49:49.000 But, you know, that Austin heat is not too humid.

00:49:51.000 It's doable.

00:49:52.000 And there were 33 people at the meetup, and they were all happy and proud of their city and proud of their state.

00:50:01.000 And they loved what was just – there was so much good energy, particularly after it just came from the Gulf.

00:50:05.000 And one young woman, her purse fell on the ground and outrolled a fresh pair of underpants and a handgun. 0.91

00:50:13.000 I'm like, Texas.

00:50:16.000 I moved there three months later.

00:50:18.000 Really?

00:50:18.000 I've been there 10 years now.

00:50:19.000 Wow.

00:50:20.000 It has grown, though.

00:50:22.000 Oh, my God.

00:50:23.000 It's changing.

00:50:24.000 People talk about it too much.

00:50:27.000 I've lived in...

00:50:28.000 My wife Tina and I, we got married in May.

00:50:32.000 We bought a house together, southeast Austin, but we were living downtown, right downtown.

00:50:39.000 I had a place there, and then we moved into an apartment together.

00:50:43.000 And we just saw it happening.

00:50:44.000 It really started with the scooters.

00:50:47.000 That's really what started to mess up Austin. 0.99

00:50:50.000 Because they just, overnight, it's like, what the fuck is this? 0.99

00:50:53.000 They're everywhere. 0.99

00:50:54.000 And, I mean, Austin had already been trying to create a bike vibe with bike paths and, you know, just all this stuff, which is ludicrous.

00:51:04.000 I mean, I grew up riding bicycles and It takes maybe 50 years before everyone is accustomed to bicycle traffic.

00:51:14.000 It's not just something that's built in.

00:51:16.000 I turn right around the corner, I still look.

00:51:18.000 I look in my right mirror, I look there, make sure there's not a bike next to me.

00:51:21.000 It's just built in.

00:51:22.000 People don't do that, so people are always getting hit.

00:51:25.000 And then these scooters pop up, and it's just mayhem.

00:51:29.000 They're everywhere.

00:51:30.000 They're on the sidewalks.

00:51:31.000 They're mowing people down.

00:51:34.000 It's nuts.

00:51:34.000 They go fast, too.

00:51:35.000 You should see this motherfucker. 1.00

00:51:36.000 They go very fast. 1.00

00:51:37.000 They go very fast.

00:51:38.000 He's got a souped-up one.

00:51:39.000 Mm-hmm. 1.00

00:51:40.000 How fast does that bitch go? 1.00

00:51:41.000 Like 50? 1.00

00:51:42.000 25. Ah, pussy. 1.00

00:51:44.000 50? 1.00

00:51:45.000 There's ones that go 50?

00:51:46.000 Oh, yeah.

00:51:46.000 Oh, I've seen them jacked up doing 50. Oh, my God.

00:51:49.000 Sure thing.

00:51:49.000 If you wipe, you're dead.

00:51:51.000 Yeah, well, there's that.

00:51:52.000 Yeah, you're going down.

00:51:54.000 But 25 is already pretty fast.

00:51:56.000 He flies.

00:51:57.000 Yeah, because I think most of them do about 15, 17 miles an hour.

00:52:00.000 His is juicy.

00:52:01.000 But what I noticed is because all the Silicon Valley companies are opening up offices in Texas, a lot of them in Austin.

00:52:10.000 And that's where they put the human resource heavy stuff.

00:52:15.000 So not the top programmers.

00:52:17.000 This is help desk.

00:52:21.000 We're good to go. 0.99

00:52:39.000 Like, whatever, get fucked up and drive around. 0.99

00:52:42.000 And that's become increasingly more. 0.99

00:52:45.000 Austin has some other problems.

00:52:48.000 Now we're kind of following what California, San Francisco, Los Angeles, Portland, Seattle, you know, we're following the let people camp everywhere thing.

00:52:58.000 So that's become a real problem.

00:53:00.000 And it's crazy here.

00:53:01.000 You know, it's based upon, it all comes from a lawsuit in Boise, Idaho.

00:53:07.000 And that's where this started, where – and first it went through the Fifth Circuit and then the Ninth Circuit Court.

00:53:13.000 There was an appeal that said you cannot move people who are camping without having a suitable place for them to stay that you can offer them because then it is a violation of the Eighth Amendment under cruel and unusual punishment.

00:53:28.000 That's why – and that's what Austin said.

00:53:29.000 Well, until that's solved, it's cruel and unusual punishment to move someone who's – homeless or not – move someone who's camping – I think?

00:53:41.000 So these people are just camping on sidewalks there, just like they do here?

00:53:44.000 Is that the underpasses?

00:53:45.000 Medians, the underpasses, yeah, it's crazy. 1.00

00:53:49.000 And so it's this weird legal situation.

00:53:52.000 Yeah, this really started, well, they lifted the no camping ban, lifted it.

00:53:57.000 So it was not a problem.

00:53:58.000 Then they said, well, we're going to let anyone camp, and it went nuts.

00:54:02.000 And all of a sudden, downtown was just filled with people laying camping everywhere.

00:54:07.000 Yeah.

00:54:07.000 Then they went, uh-oh, this is not going to work, Mayor Adler and City Council, so okay, we'll ban it just in downtown, which is pretty much where the mayor lives, you know, the W Hotel, no camping in front of City Hall.

00:54:22.000 But we're a university town, so you've got UT, and there's this whole half of a semicircle of camping and just mayhem right on the outskirts of the campus.

00:54:36.000 And kids are afraid.

00:54:39.000 They're getting harassed.

00:54:41.000 We have squeegee guys.

00:54:42.000 Dude, I drove into New York every single day from Jersey in 89, 90, and the squeegee guys were a huge problem, and then they were gone.

00:54:52.000 I think Giuliani threw him in the East River or something, and now they're back in New York!

00:54:56.000 It's like, this is not a good thing.

00:54:58.000 Yeah, how do you fix that, though?

00:55:00.000 People are worried about the cruelty in fixing it.

00:55:02.000 Oh, there you go.

00:55:03.000 You know, that's the problem.

00:55:04.000 It's like, you...

00:55:05.000 It's a...

00:55:07.000 You almost have to be cruel to stop that.

00:55:11.000 No.

00:55:12.000 No?

00:55:12.000 How do you stop?

00:55:13.000 Well, you have to engineer some sort of a homeless solution.

00:55:15.000 Well, what are we talking about?

00:55:16.000 Not everyone who is...

00:55:19.000 That squeegeeing and loitering and soliciting is homeless.

00:55:23.000 Or, you know, it's not necessarily something that they didn't choose.

00:55:27.000 A lot of people choose a vagrant lifestyle.

00:55:29.000 There's tons of it, particularly in warmer climates.

00:55:31.000 Like here.

00:55:32.000 And I do a lot for the homeless problem in Austin, as much as I can.

00:55:36.000 And none of it is sanctioned by the city. 1.00

00:55:38.000 They're fucking morons. 1.00

00:55:39.000 You know, it's like, oh, we'll build affordable housing. 1.00

00:55:41.000 We'll get a hotel and we'll turn that into a slum hotel. 0.99

00:55:44.000 Okay, great.

00:55:46.000 The number one reason people become homeless is catastrophic loss of family.

00:55:52.000 That's the number one reason.

00:55:54.000 Someone dies, and then it's downhill from there, and before you know it, you're out on the street.

00:55:59.000 And it's very difficult to rebound from that kind of thing.

00:56:01.000 And so people need community.

00:56:04.000 Everybody needs community.

00:56:05.000 So where do they find the community?

00:56:07.000 Under the bridge.

00:56:08.000 That's where the community is.

00:56:09.000 And the community is transactional.

00:56:12.000 It's drugs.

00:56:12.000 You know, it's whatever.

00:56:14.000 That's a community.

00:56:16.000 It's not a healthy one, but it's a community.

00:56:18.000 There's actually a great project in Austin called Mobile Loaves and Fishes Community First Village.

00:56:25.000 Started by this guy who was in construction.

00:56:32.000 We're good to go.

00:56:51.000 They can get social security or disability, which will cover that.

00:56:55.000 They still have to either work there in the community garden to feed themselves.

00:57:00.000 They have different auto detailing, got all this different stuff.

00:57:03.000 But there's no policing.

00:57:05.000 I think there's 500 people there now.

00:57:08.000 And it's working out fantastically.

00:57:10.000 Oh, that's cool.

00:57:11.000 Because they have community.

00:57:12.000 An outside-the-box solution.

00:57:14.000 Totally.

00:57:15.000 Gets no money from the city because there's a religious aspect to it.

00:57:18.000 You know, there's a ministry part. 0.99

00:57:20.000 So, oh, we can't give money to that because, you know, fucking God nuts or whatever it is. 0.95

00:57:25.000 But it's really working extremely well. 0.95

00:57:28.000 That's great when someone comes up with something.

00:57:30.000 Yeah.

00:57:30.000 You know, I don't...

00:57:31.000 I mean, people should look at this.

00:57:33.000 Alan Graham is a saint.

00:57:34.000 What he did...

00:57:35.000 And he lives there.

00:57:36.000 He lives in a small home on premises.

00:57:39.000 Yeah.

00:57:40.000 And if you go there, he'll be happy to show you around.

00:57:42.000 And you've got all kinds of cool stuff.

00:57:44.000 But just people are living together.

00:57:47.000 He says, so, if Joe walks out in the morning...

00:57:49.000 Not you, Joe, but the other Joe. 1.00

00:57:51.000 And he's got his dick hanging out. 1.00

00:57:53.000 And he's like... 1.00

00:57:54.000 Instead of the neighbors calling the cops...

00:57:57.000 The neighbors, hey, Joe, what's going on, man?

00:58:00.000 Let's sit down for a second.

00:58:00.000 Let's have a coffee.

00:58:01.000 Let's see what's going on.

00:58:02.000 Pull your pants up.

00:58:04.000 And a community.

00:58:06.000 Community first village.

00:58:07.000 That's the answer.

00:58:09.000 But that's not the answer that you hear from your local city council or your mayor.

00:58:14.000 It's always, well, we don't have affordable housing.

00:58:17.000 Affordable housing is not going to fix everything.

00:58:19.000 It's also there's a lot of mental illness.

00:58:20.000 That's a giant part of it.

00:58:21.000 Well, of course.

00:58:22.000 Drug addiction.

00:58:23.000 But there's a lot of people with mental illness who have houses.

00:58:25.000 Yeah, it's true.

00:58:27.000 Definitely.

00:58:28.000 Mental illness and drug addiction, but it really starts with catastrophic loss of family.

00:58:34.000 That's the number one reason people become unhoused.

00:58:37.000 Out here, the shift was, Jimmy, what would you say, about four or five years ago?

00:58:41.000 It really started kicking in.

00:58:43.000 Somewhere around then, yeah.

00:58:44.000 Somewhere around four or five years ago, you'd start noticing villages of tents underpasses.

00:58:50.000 We used to do Fear Factor in downtown LA, right down the street from Skid Row, which is an extraordinary place.

00:58:58.000 If you've never seen Skid Row and you drive by, you go, what?

00:59:01.000 This is real?

00:59:02.000 This is downtown Los Angeles and you're in a zombie movie.

00:59:07.000 Which they turn beautiful, by the way.

00:59:08.000 They're really beautiful.

00:59:10.000 Downtown LA became really nice.

00:59:12.000 Some parts of it.

00:59:13.000 Yeah, great infrastructure and everything.

00:59:15.000 Restaurants and cool, really cool apartment buildings and stuff.

00:59:19.000 It's an interesting spot.

00:59:20.000 But then there's also Skid Row, which is just, you can't believe the staggering numbers of people that are just camped out.

00:59:27.000 Thousands and thousands and thousands.

00:59:29.000 Just a mass. 1.00

00:59:30.000 Like people coming out of a fucking stadium to see a game. 1.00

00:59:32.000 Adam Carolla said it really well. 1.00

00:59:36.000 I forget where I saw him.

00:59:39.000 He said it's like no one wants to be the bad guy. 0.99

00:59:41.000 No one wants to say, okay, this shit has to stop. 0.99

00:59:44.000 We've got to do something about this. 0.99

00:59:45.000 And it starts with stopping whatever you're doing.

00:59:48.000 And that's part of cancel culture.

00:59:51.000 People are afraid, you know, because cancel culture is real.

00:59:54.000 If you have something to lose, like you have nothing to lose.

00:59:57.000 I have nothing to lose.

00:59:58.000 You're bulletproof.

01:00:00.000 To a degree, I'm bulletproof.

01:00:01.000 You can cancel all you want.

01:00:02.000 You're not taking away, for me, no advertisers.

01:00:04.000 I don't have them.

01:00:06.000 Only the people who listen can stop listening.

01:00:08.000 That's the only thing that could happen.

01:00:09.000 How do you monetize your podcast if you don't have advertisers?

01:00:12.000 Well, we call it the value-for-value system.

01:00:15.000 When Dworak and I started the show 13 years ago, it was just him and I just talking on Skype.

01:00:22.000 I was in London.

01:00:23.000 He was in San Francisco.

01:00:24.000 And we noticed that – because I like to read legislation.

01:00:28.000 I'll read bills.

01:00:29.000 I was reading the Lisbon Treaty, which was kind of the European – it was supposed to be the European Constitution.

01:00:36.000 I think?

01:00:56.000 We won't need a passport to go to other countries.

01:00:58.000 We'll have the same money. 0.96

01:01:00.000 I was seeing shit in there that was way different about you can incarcerate people. 0.99

01:01:05.000 Deadly force by the cops would be legalized. 0.97

01:01:08.000 None of this is really what's happening over here.

01:01:12.000 At the same time, I read a book called – I'm just going to give you the background to get into the money part – called Legacy of Ashes by New York Times writer David Weiner, I think.

01:01:25.000 And it was about the CIA, and my uncle appears in this book multiple times, my uncle Don Gregg, who was a big, big guy in the CIA for a long time.

01:01:34.000 And I called him up and said, Don, have you read this?

01:01:37.000 He said, yeah.

01:01:38.000 I said, is it true?

01:01:39.000 He said, yeah, that's pretty much how I remember it.

01:01:40.000 I'm like, okay.

01:01:42.000 So whatever is on television and radio is not at all really what's going on or what has happened.

01:01:48.000 And so it started to become a lot of work.

01:01:50.000 We're doing work, and then we said...

01:01:53.000 Well, we'll never get advertised.

01:01:56.000 Dvorak's a radio guy.

01:01:57.000 He's a media guy.

01:01:58.000 So we understand it all.

01:02:01.000 We'll never get advertisers.

01:02:02.000 That'll never work.

01:02:03.000 So we'll just have to ask people to send us money.

01:02:05.000 But why'd you say you would never get advertisers?

01:02:07.000 Because it's too controversial.

01:02:10.000 I mean, yeah, we can get some advertisers, but not the real advertisers, what we talked about earlier.

01:02:16.000 No advertiser is really going to be interested.

01:02:19.000 And also, what are your ratings?

01:02:23.000 What are your metrics?

01:02:23.000 What are your numbers?

01:02:25.000 Certainly then, the questions, well, how do you know if someone will listen if it's just a download?

01:02:29.000 I mean, I'm sure you've gone through all of this.

01:02:31.000 Also, we didn't want to... 1.00

01:02:33.000 Have a fucking meeting. 0.99

01:02:34.000 I want to have a meeting with advertisers. 1.00

01:02:36.000 I don't want to meet anymore.

01:02:38.000 No more meetings.

01:02:39.000 But we did something different.

01:02:40.000 We said, instead of saying, send us five bucks.

01:02:43.000 I don't work for tips.

01:02:45.000 You don't work for tips.

01:02:46.000 Instead of that, what is this show worth to you?

01:02:50.000 So you just listened to us for a couple hours.

01:02:53.000 You could have gone to the movies.

01:02:54.000 If you took a date, you had a Coke and popcorn, 50 bucks.

01:02:58.000 Was this worth 50 bucks?

01:02:59.000 Up to you.

01:03:00.000 And what we discovered...

01:03:02.000 Is that value is very different.

01:03:05.000 Some people say, here's five dollars, I love the show.

01:03:09.000 Someone else says, here's five hundred dollars, that's how much I value the show. 0.99

01:03:12.000 Someone else says, fuck, I'm gonna give you a thousand dollars, that's how much I value the show. 0.98

01:03:17.000 And we built this model where we... 0.99

01:03:22.000 What value does the show bring to you?

01:03:25.000 And we thank people.

01:03:27.000 With the amounts that they gave, we're completely transparent.

01:03:29.000 You can just sit there and see what people are giving us.

01:03:33.000 And it just became this whole interactive feature where...

01:03:38.000 Well, we put levels in.

01:03:40.000 So if you donate $200, you're an associate executive producer, just like Hollywood. 0.99

01:03:44.000 Who the fuck to say? 0.99

01:03:45.000 It's a real... 0.99

01:03:46.000 $300, you're an executive producer.

01:03:47.000 And we do a little mention in a different part of the show for the executive producers.

01:03:52.000 And, you know, they can read a note, and oftentimes it's usually something about the show.

01:03:57.000 So they're brought into the conversation specifically.

01:04:00.000 So it's not just a donation segment.

01:04:02.000 It's content.

01:04:03.000 And we have, like you have...

01:04:07.000 Lawyers, doctors, nurses, teachers, college professors, tons of military, lots of spooks and three-letter, you know, CDC, also kind of a spook agency.

01:04:19.000 There's all kinds of crazy people who really, I think, enjoy when we talk about what they're doing.

01:04:25.000 And so they love to let you know, and it may be anonymous, you know, like, hey, man, don't mention my name, but, you know, here's – and that just grew.

01:04:34.000 And now, 13 years later, we're feeding two families, and we're very, very happy.

01:04:39.000 And that's all I do.

01:04:41.000 It's twice a week, Sundays, Thursdays.

01:04:44.000 We do record it live.

01:04:47.000 We don't do any post-editing or anything.

01:04:50.000 It's in and out, just done.

01:04:51.000 And do you like the fact that you just don't have any connection to anyone other than your fans?

01:04:56.000 Is that very satisfying?

01:04:58.000 Extremely satisfying.

01:04:59.000 It's not just fans.

01:05:01.000 We don't call them listeners.

01:05:03.000 Fans are producers.

01:05:04.000 That's a great way of putting it.

01:05:05.000 Everybody is a producer.

01:05:06.000 If you see the amount of stuff that I get in, so take coronavirus.

01:05:11.000 We've got a lot of people who are very specified, not just in epidemiology, but in finance, who can give us all these different insights.

01:05:21.000 And you put it all together.

01:05:22.000 I'm really a professional information manager, and I've built a whole bunch of systems specifically for that.

01:05:27.000 I just get stuff coming in, coming in.

01:05:30.000 And we like to deconstruct the media, so we'll play anywhere from 30 to 50 little news clips in a three-hour show and then just deconstruct it.

01:05:40.000 Why is this being said?

01:05:41.000 What is really behind this?

01:05:43.000 Is it true?

01:05:44.000 And then I spend a lot of time researching.

01:05:47.000 That's really what I do.

01:05:48.000 I just research and look at stuff and bang it around, look at, if I can, from all angles as much as possible, and then present it.

01:05:56.000 And it's often surprisingly accurate.

01:05:59.000 Wow.

01:05:59.000 I love that idea of calling them producers, and I love the idea that you're not connected at all to anyone other than your fans.

01:06:06.000 Yeah, that's perfect.

01:06:07.000 The producers, Joe.

01:06:08.000 It's the producers.

01:06:09.000 I like it.

01:06:10.000 And then we started to, I guess the correct term would be gamify it.

01:06:15.000 So people started saying, hey man, I've donated $1,000 in total, like over whatever.

01:06:21.000 That's fantastic.

01:06:22.000 We should reward these people.

01:06:23.000 So we started to give them knighthoods.

01:06:26.000 Why should the Queen, who I've met, why should the Queen of England be the only one who can do that? 0.99

01:06:30.000 We can do knighthoods.

01:06:31.000 They're just as good.

01:06:32.000 And you get a signet ring and some sealing wax.

01:06:34.000 Do you really?

01:06:34.000 Yeah.

01:06:35.000 You get a real ring so you can actually close a letter with it?

01:06:39.000 Yes.

01:06:39.000 People send letters to us all the time.

01:06:43.000 They got their meet-ups, the people with their rings.

01:06:46.000 It's like a badge of honor.

01:06:49.000 It's a little culty.

01:06:50.000 A little bit.

01:06:52.000 It's unavoidable.

01:06:53.000 There's a lot of different elements.

01:06:55.000 I would say more like a church, which can also be a cult.

01:07:00.000 Yeah.

01:07:02.000 It's not an evil cult.

01:07:03.000 In fact, it's a very healthy cult.

01:07:05.000 People are now doing meetups around the world where they come together.

01:07:09.000 We have a noagendameetups.com.

01:07:12.000 People can schedule it.

01:07:14.000 That's another thing.

01:07:16.000 All the infrastructure, the entire show, is run by the producers.

01:07:20.000 So we have independent architecture for our servers, all of that, run by Void Zero, Sir Bemrose.

01:07:29.000 They run it.

01:07:30.000 They do it out of the love and goodness of their heart for the show.

01:07:34.000 Of course, they receive titles, et cetera, for that.

01:07:37.000 We have an art generator where every show we have has new art.

01:07:43.000 There'll be 10 or 12 different submissions.

01:07:44.000 It's kind of a little contest.

01:07:46.000 To have new art on every new podcast is really exciting when it shows up in the podcast app.

01:07:53.000 It's something different.

01:07:55.000 But we also have...

01:07:56.000 Oh my God, we have search engines.

01:07:59.000 We have just all this stuff that guys and gals have just built for us and just kind of runs and it all kind of fits together.

01:08:05.000 So we...

01:08:06.000 We would never be able to make money with this if we outsourced the production, you know, paid production.

01:08:15.000 We wouldn't make it.

01:08:16.000 And I think it's very hard for anybody to do that unless you're at a JRE scale, which is a little different.

01:08:22.000 We don't even know how many people listen.

01:08:24.000 We don't know. 0.99

01:08:24.000 We don't fucking care. 0.99

01:08:25.000 You don't know how many people listen? 0.99

01:08:27.000 There's no actual way to know.

01:08:28.000 There's no technical way. 1.00

01:08:29.000 Anyone telling you different is full of shit. 0.99

01:08:31.000 There's no way to know how many people listened. 1.00

01:08:33.000 Just not.

01:08:35.000 The Apple iPhone app does have some statistics that you can get, but it's only iPhone statistics.

01:08:43.000 You can kind of get an idea and you can extrapolate out.

01:08:46.000 That's recent that they have that.

01:08:48.000 Meaning that you don't know how many downloads, really?

01:08:51.000 Or you don't know how many people listen to the downloads?

01:08:52.000 Well, I can count downloads, but how many people listen to it?

01:08:55.000 You don't know.

01:08:55.000 And even then...

01:08:57.000 There's a lot of network address translation that you may not be counting all the downloads.

01:09:01.000 It's just technically not true.

01:09:04.000 Unless you rig the listening side, which is kind of what Apple did, and have statistics there, which no one has, there's no way to actually know who's listening.

01:09:14.000 But for us, it's like, can I pay the mortgage?

01:09:17.000 Okay, great show.

01:09:18.000 That's it. 0.93

01:09:20.000 And that is, it's like killing and eating the meat yourself. 0.54

01:09:25.000 It's a version of that.

01:09:27.000 And I love it.

01:09:29.000 We've spawned a couple other shows that have the same system.

01:09:33.000 Jen Briney with Congressional Dish. 0.59

01:09:36.000 I've started a new one called MoFax, which has the same systemology. 0.94

01:09:41.000 It is so fucking gratifying. 0.71

01:09:44.000 I love it. 0.64

01:09:45.000 I love the people who help us, who produce stuff for us.

01:09:48.000 I'll go to a meetup, people donate on the spot.

01:09:53.000 But they also love just meeting together without us there.

01:09:57.000 Like Leap Day, there must have been 14 different meetups around the world.

01:10:01.000 And I'm talking Israel, Australia, England, the Netherlands, just...

01:10:11.000 All over the world.

01:10:13.000 And they get together to just be in a non-triggering environment. 0.99

01:10:17.000 So you can say whatever the fuck you want. 0.99

01:10:20.000 Kind of like our show. 0.99

01:10:21.000 No one's going to get triggered.

01:10:22.000 No one's going to get outraged.

01:10:24.000 And it's all different kinds of walks of life.

01:10:27.000 And they have one thing in common. 1.00

01:10:29.000 It's like they think the media is kind of full of shit. 1.00

01:10:31.000 And they support the show. 1.00

01:10:33.000 And they like those topics.

01:10:36.000 But there's no...

01:10:37.000 It's small amygdalas, man.

01:10:41.000 That's cool.

01:10:42.000 Small amygdalas.

01:10:44.000 It has been a weird...

01:10:46.000 It must be.

01:10:47.000 It's been a weird ride for us noticing how much more outrage people get at things today than they did just a few years ago.

01:10:53.000 And targeted outrage where people just decide that, you know, they're going to start attacking you for something that used to be normal to say.

01:11:02.000 Like, there was a... 0.94

01:11:03.000 Some of it is so ridiculous. 0.93

01:11:05.000 It's crazy. 0.97

01:11:05.000 Like, there was a... 0.97

01:11:07.000 Titania McGrath had a... 1.00

01:11:10.000 That's a great Twitter account.

01:11:11.000 Yeah, I love that guy.

01:11:13.000 Andrew.

01:11:13.000 Shout out to Andrew.

01:11:16.000 He's got a post.

01:11:18.000 There was a sign that was hanging from a window in the UK that it basically was the definition of a woman. 0.99

01:11:27.000 It said, woman, a female human being, noun.

01:11:32.000 That's like the sign. 0.89

01:11:34.000 And then all these people went crazy and were protesting and saying that it's a transphobic dog whistle.

01:11:40.000 That's a new one, right?

01:11:41.000 Dog whistle's only been around for like two years. 0.62

01:11:44.000 People calling something a transphobic or homophobic or a sexist dog whistle. 1.00

01:11:48.000 Like, holy shit, you can't say anything anymore. 0.99

01:11:51.000 Well, let's go back to the basics. 0.98

01:11:53.000 I was on the internet very early, 1987, before the World Wide Web.

01:12:00.000 Yes.

01:12:03.000 Yes.

01:12:04.000 Yes.

01:12:21.000 And they want something very different from what MTV is playing.

01:12:24.000 So I was like, wow, this is interesting.

01:12:26.000 So I got into these Usenet groups.

01:12:27.000 And the way that worked is you'd post something.

01:12:30.000 And then overnight, it would be copied all around the internet.

01:12:33.000 And you had to connect to a special server.

01:12:34.000 And you pulled in the groups that you had subscribed to.

01:12:37.000 And so really, it wasn't an immediate conversation.

01:12:40.000 We'd post something.

01:12:42.000 And then people would reply back.

01:12:44.000 And I just kind of jumped in two feet.

01:12:47.000 And immediately... 1.00

01:12:48.000 Fuck you, commercial MTV asshole. 1.00

01:12:51.000 What are you doing here? 1.00

01:12:52.000 Fuck off. 1.00

01:12:53.000 You're not supposed to quote like that. 1.00

01:12:55.000 You're supposed to quote at the bottom and the top.

01:12:56.000 And I was like, whoa, what's going on? 0.97

01:12:58.000 And what that was is the minute you have the opportunity for people to say stuff anonymously, they turn into giant dickbags. 0.94

01:13:08.000 Almost everybody. 0.73

01:13:09.000 This is just an easier way to do it.

01:13:11.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:13:30.000 What you think is an attack, and you know this shit. 1.00

01:13:33.000 It registers in your brain as something really dangerous. 1.00

01:13:36.000 I'm going to go back at them.

01:13:38.000 But they're anonymous, and that's the best thing.

01:13:40.000 Then the blue checkmark became a little more interesting, which I don't have.

01:13:46.000 I tried to get one for a long time.

01:13:48.000 Someone over there hates me.

01:13:50.000 Really?

01:13:50.000 Oh, yeah.

01:13:52.000 That's what it is?

01:13:52.000 They hate you?

01:13:53.000 What else could it be?

01:13:54.000 I've never gotten a blue checkmark.

01:13:56.000 I don't want one now.

01:13:57.000 Now, to me, it's the mark of the beast.

01:13:58.000 Yeah.

01:13:59.000 You got a blue checkmark, you know, I'd be looking over my shoulder, man.

01:14:03.000 So now that's become kind of, those are the people that now risk being deplatformed because you have status. 0.99

01:14:11.000 And so it's fun to bang against these people like, fuck this guy, I'm going to bang against him. 0.99

01:14:17.000 So it's some human nature that just exists within us. 1.00

01:14:23.000 Like, you know, it'd be really easy for me to go online, you know, under whatever Twitter handle, Joe Rogan, you dick. 0.99

01:14:30.000 I wouldn't say that to your face. 0.99

01:14:32.000 Look at you. 0.99

01:14:32.000 You know, beat me the fuck up. 0.99

01:14:34.000 So, no.

01:14:35.000 But people have no problem doing that anonymously.

01:14:38.000 Yeah, they don't see you.

01:14:40.000 They don't feel the... 1.00

01:14:41.000 When people look at you in the eye and they act like an asshole, like, they feel you. 1.00

01:14:45.000 Like, what the fuck, man? 1.00

01:14:46.000 It's like a natural human instinct to not do that. 1.00

01:14:49.000 All the visual cues, the human interaction.

01:14:52.000 That's how we're supposed to talk.

01:14:54.000 You know the book, Lost Connections, I think.

01:14:57.000 It's Harari, I think, is the guy's name.

01:15:00.000 Lost Connections.

01:15:02.000 That's the guy you should have on your show.

01:15:04.000 He delves into...

01:15:05.000 The same guy who wrote Sapiens?

01:15:07.000 Maybe, I don't know.

01:15:08.000 What's his name?

01:15:09.000 Noah Harari.

01:15:10.000 Noah Yuval Harari.

01:15:12.000 Ah.

01:15:12.000 Is that him?

01:15:14.000 Johan Hari.

01:15:16.000 Johan Hari.

01:15:16.000 Oh, that's a different guy.

01:15:18.000 He's been on the podcast.

01:15:19.000 Hasn't Johan been on the podcast?

01:15:20.000 Yes, yes.

01:15:21.000 That's right.

01:15:22.000 So, Lost Connections.

01:15:23.000 Twice, right?

01:15:23.000 Oh, okay.

01:15:24.000 I missed that one.

01:15:27.000 Your eyebrows.

01:15:29.000 It's not just for catching sweat dripping off your brow.

01:15:33.000 It's for communication, inquisitive, all this stuff.

01:15:37.000 All these cues are not there in there.

01:15:39.000 The de-platforming is getting really preposterous, too, for things.

01:15:43.000 You know Zuby got de-platformed?

01:15:45.000 He got kicked off of Twitter?

01:15:46.000 This is crazy.

01:15:47.000 Who's Zuby? 0.94

01:15:48.000 Zuby is a musician.

01:15:49.000 He's a rapper from the UK who's been on the podcast before.

01:15:53.000 I mean, the dude doesn't even swear, right?

01:15:55.000 He's back on, so they suspended him temporarily.

01:15:58.000 But this is why he got suspended. 0.94

01:16:00.000 He's, I forget, he was having a discussion online about something, and someone said, I bet I, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about, something to that regard, like, I bet I sleep with more women than you do, to which he writes, okay, dude. 0.97

01:16:16.000 That's it. 0.99

01:16:16.000 Uh-oh. 0.99

01:16:17.000 Uh-oh.

01:16:17.000 Transphobic.

01:16:18.000 I mean, he didn't know.

01:16:19.000 He said, I have no idea who that person was.

01:16:22.000 I didn't know if it was a girl or a boy.

01:16:23.000 Especially the UK. It's illegal.

01:16:25.000 The UK, you cannot transphobicize somebody and you can actually get a visit from the cops.

01:16:42.000 He's not even insulting the person.

01:16:46.000 And they decided by him saying, okay dude, that is grounds for being banned from Twitter temporarily.

01:16:54.000 That's madness.

01:16:54.000 And then these people are laughing about it and making light of the fact that they were able to do that.

01:16:59.000 Because it's a game, right?

01:17:00.000 They have a rock and they see a window.

01:17:01.000 Of course it's a game, yeah.

01:17:01.000 And they want to throw that rock.

01:17:03.000 And it worked.

01:17:05.000 They got them kicked off temporarily.

01:17:06.000 But that sends a weird signal to everyone else because it makes you self-censor.

01:17:10.000 It's not healthy for anybody.

01:17:12.000 It's also not really a sustainable business model long-term.

01:17:15.000 I mean, Twitter, because of this, cancel culture, they said we're not going to take any political ads.

01:17:22.000 Yeah.

01:17:23.000 That's why Jack Dorsey is going to get kicked out.

01:17:25.000 You see that ad?

01:17:26.000 I mean, you see that new thing with the billionaire guy just bought a shitload of controlling stock?

01:17:31.000 Paul Singer.

01:17:31.000 Paul Singer, he is a huge part of the Republican financial engine.

01:17:37.000 This guy has been under...

01:17:39.000 It's very interesting he's doing this now because he's an activist investor and he's trying to get three or four board seats.

01:17:47.000 He'll get them because of the amount of shares he's bought up, like a billion at least.

01:17:52.000 Because he sees the so-called bias against the right and he wants to skew that back.

01:17:59.000 All of that is a failed mission.

01:18:01.000 The advertisers eventually want no part of this.

01:18:03.000 They just don't want to have a part of it.

01:18:05.000 The future is some version of a federated system which exists today.

01:18:10.000 Mastodon, if you've heard of Mastodon.

01:18:11.000 Can I pause you for a second?

01:18:12.000 When you say the advertisers don't want a part of it, what do you mean?

01:18:15.000 They don't want controversy.

01:18:16.000 Any controversy? 1.00

01:18:17.000 Fuck no. 1.00

01:18:18.000 Fuck no. 1.00

01:18:18.000 They don't want organized attacks or bans. 1.00

01:18:22.000 They don't even want to be near it.

01:18:24.000 They don't want to be near it.

01:18:25.000 It hurts.

01:18:26.000 That's why you see quite the opposite.

01:18:29.000 You'll see Procter& Gamble and all these big, going way out virtue signaling as much as they can.

01:18:38.000 Sports Illustrated is going to have, I think for the first time on the swimsuit issue, will have large women. 0.99

01:18:44.000 I'm saying that because that's what they are.

01:18:46.000 They're large women. 1.00

01:18:48.000 Are you allowed to say large still?

01:18:50.000 I am.

01:18:51.000 There might be a time when large becomes a problem.

01:18:54.000 What are they going to do?

01:18:56.000 Yeah, to whose?

01:18:58.000 And I'm not saying that's good or bad, but they're being forced to do this.

01:19:02.000 It's not an organic thing.

01:19:04.000 I'm not really a Sports Illustrated guy, but I just don't know.

01:19:07.000 Was this something that the readers wanted?

01:19:09.000 Maybe?

01:19:10.000 I don't know.

01:19:10.000 I doubt it.

01:19:11.000 And again, it's not necessarily bad, but anything by force is shit. 1.00

01:19:15.000 It's fucked up. 1.00

01:19:16.000 Get woke, go broke. 1.00

01:19:17.000 That's who it is.

01:19:18.000 They're going to give it a chance and no one's going to buy that episode.

01:19:20.000 But that's another thing that I like about your show is you're a man.

01:19:24.000 You're a dude.

01:19:25.000 You're not afraid of it.

01:19:27.000 You're not afraid to say it.

01:19:28.000 And I think it's very healthy. 0.99

01:19:30.000 And I'm sure you get all kinds of shit all the time from all kinds of people for all kinds of crazy reasons. 0.95

01:19:36.000 But it's important that we keep some of this just... 0.98

01:19:41.000 Alive.

01:19:41.000 I get a lot of support.

01:19:43.000 I mean, I get some shit, but I get way more support than I do shit. 0.99

01:19:48.000 I'm a nice person. 0.99

01:19:49.000 I just happen to be a male.

01:19:51.000 And I think it's okay to be a man. 1.00

01:19:52.000 And the whole toxic masculinity thing is so fucking ridiculous. 0.99

01:19:57.000 Like, no, there's bad people. 1.00

01:19:58.000 Some of them are men.

01:19:59.000 There's bad women, too. 1.00

01:20:01.000 Casey Anthony, it's a bad woman. 1.00

01:20:03.000 It's not an indictment against all women.

01:20:06.000 And this idea that men and masculine behavior is somehow or another negative.

01:20:12.000 No, negative people are negative.

01:20:15.000 That's what it is. 1.00

01:20:16.000 And this attack on men is so stupid. 1.00

01:20:19.000 It's throwing out the baby with the bathwater. 1.00

01:20:22.000 That's what it is. 1.00

01:20:23.000 It's just dumb. 1.00

01:20:24.000 And it's dumb people that are doing it. 1.00

01:20:26.000 And they're doing it in an articulate way and in a passionate way. 0.99

01:20:30.000 And they're using all their verbal skills to try to argue it in a way that they seem to think that it's justifiable.

01:20:36.000 But it's basically a tribal thing.

01:20:38.000 And then what you see is you see big corporations who, if anything, want to be on the right side of history.

01:20:45.000 Right.

01:20:45.000 They will never...

01:20:47.000 Go against the mob.

01:20:48.000 Of course.

01:20:48.000 You just don't go.

01:20:49.000 And so...

01:20:49.000 And it's not even the full mob.

01:20:51.000 Self-perpetuates.

01:20:51.000 It's not even...

01:20:52.000 It's like it doesn't matter if 80% of the people are supporting you.

01:20:55.000 20% of the people not supporting you is a large number if they're active.

01:20:59.000 And it's such a waste of time.

01:21:01.000 Yeah, it is.

01:21:02.000 So when are we smoking some weed?

01:21:04.000 Because I'm about ready.

01:21:05.000 We could do it right now.

01:21:06.000 Now, I will say, beware, my Tourette's will get significantly worse.

01:21:09.000 That's fine.

01:21:10.000 But that can be entertaining.

01:21:11.000 Have you had that your whole life?

01:21:12.000 Since I was diagnosed when I was seven.

01:21:14.000 I actually didn't know about it until my dad passed in November.

01:21:19.000 Jimmy, where's that aluminum ashtray that was here?

01:21:22.000 And my...

01:21:22.000 Which one?

01:21:23.000 This one?

01:21:24.000 There's a little one?

01:21:24.000 No, that's not a little one.

01:21:26.000 Oh, here.

01:21:27.000 This one?

01:21:27.000 Oh, there it is.

01:21:28.000 Yeah.

01:21:29.000 Yeah, there we go.

01:21:31.000 And...

01:21:32.000 And so he...

01:21:34.000 My sister, you know, was talking to him and wanted to know a couple things.

01:21:38.000 And she wrote up a little kind of like report. 0.99

01:21:41.000 And I was reading, I'm like, oh, fuck. 0.99

01:21:43.000 Adam was diagnosed at seven with mild Tourette's. 1.00

01:21:46.000 Like, they never even fucking told me. 0.96

01:21:48.000 Thank you. 0.98

01:21:49.000 They didn't tell you?

01:21:50.000 No, I've known it because I got twitches and things.

01:21:54.000 MTV was great for me because the segments were like a minute and a half, and I can control it for a minute and a half.

01:22:00.000 But, you know, I'm always like, typically I can see out of the corner of my eyes, like, not here, but okay, they got Joe on screen, so I can do all my things.

01:22:07.000 All right, we're back.

01:22:09.000 What causes it?

01:22:11.000 Yeah, I don't know.

01:22:12.000 No one knows? 1.00

01:22:14.000 Shit firing in your brain. 1.00

01:22:15.000 Does anything calm it? 1.00

01:22:18.000 Well, it's not.

01:22:20.000 No. 0.54

01:22:20.000 I mean, I'm sure there's some crazy ass drugs, but I won't do that. 0.54

01:22:24.000 Of course.

01:22:25.000 Well, you seem to have a very, very mild version of it. 1.00

01:22:28.000 I mean, why would you fuck with your neurochemistry? 1.00

01:22:30.000 It's who I am. 1.00

01:22:31.000 Yeah.

01:22:31.000 So, you know, I'm 55. I don't give a shit anymore.

01:22:34.000 It's a part of me. 0.99

01:22:35.000 I'm just saying it up front because it'd be like, what the fuck is Curry doing? 0.99

01:22:38.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:22:38.000 That's why I love radio. 0.98

01:22:40.000 I've always been a radio guy.

01:22:42.000 You know, I can be, like, ticking away, and, like, no one sees me, you know?

01:22:46.000 Oftentimes, if I'm doing a long thing, I mean, I'll just be, like, completely screw my eyes shut wide, and I'll be into it, and no one can see that.

01:22:53.000 Right.

01:22:53.000 Well, there's something beautiful about audio only.

01:22:56.000 I mean, I really enjoy doing audio and video together on this show, but there is something pure.

01:23:01.000 Is there tobacco in this?

01:23:02.000 Oh, no.

01:23:02.000 No, no, no.

01:23:03.000 Why?

01:23:03.000 Do you want some with tobacco in it?

01:23:04.000 No, it's just weed.

01:23:05.000 No, I stopped.

01:23:06.000 Yeah, that's why I pulled that one out.

01:23:08.000 We have blunts here, which I like.

01:23:09.000 Oh, I do.

01:23:10.000 I've never done a blunt.

01:23:11.000 I do one, but see how this goes.

01:23:13.000 I'll give you a couple of minutes.

01:23:14.000 And where's the Black Rifle coffee?

01:23:16.000 I mean, I got the turmeric stuff.

01:23:17.000 Do you want some?

01:23:18.000 Yeah, I'd love some.

01:23:18.000 The turmeric, I'm just afraid my lips are going to look like I puked.

01:23:22.000 Yeah, I know it does, but it doesn't really show up.

01:23:25.000 Oh, really?

01:23:25.000 Yeah, not on camera.

01:23:26.000 You get a little bit of a hue to your lips with the turmeric.

01:23:30.000 But that stuff's delicious.

01:23:31.000 Turmeric is fantastic.

01:23:33.000 In the coffee with that Laird Hamilton superfood blend, it's very, very tasty.

01:23:37.000 Yeah.

01:23:38.000 No, it tastes good.

01:23:38.000 I like the taste.

01:23:39.000 You're doing something good for your body.

01:23:41.000 It's actually good for you.

01:23:42.000 Legitimately.

01:23:43.000 I tell you, man, that's the best thing for my body.

01:23:45.000 It is, right?

01:23:45.000 I don't know the inside of a doctor's office or a hospital.

01:23:48.000 I mean, I'm hanging together from THC. Texas is weird though, right?

01:23:53.000 You have to do medical?

01:23:54.000 No, no, no.

01:23:54.000 No medical, no nothing.

01:23:56.000 It's free now?

01:23:57.000 No, no.

01:23:57.000 It's illegal.

01:23:58.000 Oh, everything?

01:23:59.000 Even medical?

01:23:59.000 Mm-hmm.

01:24:00.000 God damn it. 1.00

01:24:00.000 Mm-hmm. 1.00

01:24:01.000 Jesus, Texas. 0.99

01:24:02.000 It's not like, well, in Austin they've actually, they haven't really decriminalized, but they're like the cops are, I mean, you know, they really can't get away with letting people steal and rob and do crazy shit on the street. 0.89

01:24:15.000 You know, it's like here in California, you can steal up to $950 and then also go busting people for weed.

01:24:21.000 So they've really got better things to do, so they're not really making a problem out of it, but...

01:24:25.000 But it's still a problem if someone wants to find a reason to arrest you.

01:24:30.000 Oh, absolutely.

01:24:30.000 And then it becomes an issue.

01:24:32.000 Absolutely. 0.99

01:24:33.000 It's just sad that Texas, which is one of the most free places in the world, you can have a fucking giraffe in your backyard and you can't smoke a joint. 0.99

01:24:39.000 It'll change. 0.99

01:24:40.000 It's inevitable.

01:24:41.000 It'll change.

01:24:42.000 It's interesting because growing up in the Netherlands, marijuana was never legal.

01:24:49.000 They called it oogluiken toegestaan.

01:25:09.000 It explains all the techno.

01:25:12.000 Of course!

01:25:13.000 Techno came with its own drug.

01:25:16.000 Dutch kickboxers are famous for coming out to techno music.

01:25:20.000 Yeah.

01:25:21.000 Holland, I don't know if you know, is the birthplace of some of the greatest kickboxers of all time.

01:25:25.000 Not really MMA. Well, I knew some MMA guys.

01:25:28.000 There's some MMA guys from Holland, but it's really famous for kickboxers.

01:25:31.000 Okay, I didn't know it was kickboxing.

01:25:33.000 I really don't know shit about it, but I do know that a lot of guys there become very famous.

01:25:36.000 It's the greatest of all time. 0.95

01:25:38.000 It's a crazy pool of talent that came out of Holland.

01:25:41.000 Yeah.

01:25:42.000 Yeah, like Ramon Deckers and Rob Kamen and Ernesto Hoost and Peter Ertz.

01:25:48.000 Like, the names of these Dutch guys.

01:25:50.000 These all savage Dutch guys. 1.00

01:25:52.000 And everybody was like, how Holland? 0.66

01:25:54.000 Like, what's happening over there?

01:25:57.000 It's a very interesting country.

01:25:59.000 I'm very glad I grew up there because it gave me a worldview, I think, that is incomparable.

01:26:07.000 So the drugs has never been a problem.

01:26:10.000 You could walk into a bar at 13, look like you were 15. That's changed now.

01:26:14.000 Look like you were 15, you could drink, drink beers, order a beer.

01:26:18.000 How old do you have to be to drink?

01:26:19.000 Well, now they've changed it to 1821, depending on where you are, but it used to be 16. Really?

01:26:26.000 Yeah, it was very loose.

01:26:27.000 I mean, once the EU came into play and they had to harmonize and become the same as all the countries around it, which is not actually true because Portugal...

01:26:35.000 Decriminalize everything.

01:26:37.000 Yeah, they decriminalized, I think, maybe 15 years ago, and spectacular results.

01:26:43.000 But you can't really sell it, but you can get a prescription for almost everything, including heroin.

01:26:48.000 So they've changed kind of that.

01:26:51.000 Yeah, people have a really hard time with that, but hey, look, we're not putting a dent in heroin, folks.

01:26:56.000 It's going the other way.

01:26:58.000 I mean, when I was a kid...

01:27:00.000 I never thought we'd have a heroin uptick in this country.

01:27:03.000 When I was a kid, everybody thought of heroin as the stuff that killed Jimi Hendrix and stay the fuck away from it, and people overdose, and then they die. 1.00

01:27:10.000 Once you start shooting a needle, boy, you fucked up. 1.00

01:27:13.000 Don't go that route. 1.00

01:27:14.000 You could never even imagine putting a needle in your arm.

01:27:17.000 That was not even an imaginable thing.

01:27:19.000 It has the worst PR representation of all time.

01:27:21.000 Killed some of our greatest rock stars, right?

01:27:24.000 Janis Joplin, dead.

01:27:26.000 All these people.

01:27:26.000 Kurt Cobain commits suicide, had a problem with heroin, classically.

01:27:30.000 Lead singer of Alex in Chains, Lane Staley, right?

01:27:33.000 Heroin.

01:27:34.000 So many of these guys.

01:27:35.000 And the guys who kicked it, who come back from it, will tell you, Jesus Christ, I was in Satan's lap.

01:27:41.000 Like he had a grip on me.

01:27:43.000 I could not get free.

01:27:44.000 Yeah.

01:27:45.000 And meanwhile, it's got an uptick.

01:27:47.000 So what's the solution?

01:27:48.000 The solution is clearly not business as usual.

01:27:51.000 That's like the definition of insanity, doing the same thing over and over again.

01:27:55.000 Expecting a different result.

01:27:56.000 Yeah.

01:27:56.000 We know now that we have a problem.

01:27:58.000 I don't know if legalizing it is the only way to fix it.

01:28:03.000 To make it illegal, you're just propping up organized crime.

01:28:07.000 That's all you're doing.

01:28:08.000 You're not stopping people from doing it because these people, there's a giant percentage of them that are doing stuff that a pharmaceutical company made that they got illegally, now they're selling illegally.

01:28:18.000 They've become drug dealers, whether it's the cartels or other people.

01:28:22.000 Oh, but Joe...

01:28:25.000 You know, we had the financial crash in 2008. I don't think the trillions that we put in really saved us.

01:28:33.000 I think the drug trade in general was the only thing that kept the economy running at the time.

01:28:38.000 I mean, this is so big.

01:28:40.000 The money in drugs is so astronomical.

01:28:44.000 You can't even fathom how big it is.

01:28:47.000 If you include pharmaceutical drugs.

01:28:50.000 So many industries pale in comparison.

01:28:53.000 I mean, HSBC was literally laundering the money from Mexico with drug dealers just coming up on the Mexican side, throwing millions of dollars a day into the deposit.

01:29:06.000 It got...

01:29:07.000 Pushed out the other way into the legal system.

01:29:09.000 James Comey was running that.

01:29:11.000 Jesus, James!

01:29:13.000 He was well aware.

01:29:16.000 It's just nuts how much money is involved in it and how many people look away.

01:29:20.000 People are trying to stop different flavored tobacco smoke.

01:29:24.000 I see you're a vapor.

01:29:25.000 I actually looked into that very, very deeply.

01:29:30.000 The tobacco industry had a problem.

01:29:32.000 The problem was this.

01:29:33.000 I kick cigarettes with this.

01:29:36.000 Because it's just, you know, you can have nicotine in it or not, but, you know, it's not.

01:29:40.000 And have you had any health consequences from using that thing?

01:29:42.000 Zero.

01:29:43.000 Keep hearing about people getting lung issues.

01:29:45.000 Well, okay, so a couple things happened.

01:29:47.000 The lung issues, and I don't know who you know personally, but there was a scare, and the scare killed a couple of people, like 10 people.

01:29:56.000 And what it turned out was that was people who had vaped THC cartridges.

01:30:04.000 You buy your THC cartridge from a dispensary here, it's actually packaged by somebody else, not by that person.

01:30:11.000 So you have King World or whatever, that's kind of a reputable brand, but it's packaged somewhere else.

01:30:17.000 That means putting the stuff in.

01:30:19.000 And they put in some vitamin E acetate. 1.00

01:30:22.000 And that just kind of like created a, you know, heat that up and became a web of some shit inside your lung and fucked you up. 0.99

01:30:29.000 So that's a bad thing. 0.98

01:30:30.000 But that had nothing to do with vaping nicotine with the typical chemicals that you get from reputable companies.

01:30:37.000 Can I ask you this?

01:30:38.000 Is the vaping from marijuana with their processes more problematic than vaping of tobacco?

01:30:45.000 Well, it certainly was in that case because if someone changed the formula, then you need to have some oil in there in order to keep it liquid and just for it to be able to go into the vape and not be a hardened piece.

01:30:58.000 So the issue was actually the vitamin E oil?

01:31:00.000 Yes, yes.

01:31:01.000 And so that stopped, of course.

01:31:03.000 Somewhere someone did something shitty and that happened.

01:31:05.000 You know, a really high guy actually said this to me once.

01:31:10.000 He told me that he uses organic MCT oil for his vapes and he was like handing me his vape.

01:31:15.000 I'm like, bro, I'm not sucking on your vape.

01:31:17.000 I don't even know you. 1.00

01:31:18.000 You could be a crazy person. 1.00

01:31:19.000 You could be DMT vapes. 0.99

01:31:21.000 They have DMT vapes now.

01:31:23.000 Somebody hands you a vape pen, you might be going into orbit.

01:31:27.000 For 20 minutes.

01:31:29.000 Yeah, for 20 minutes before you're driving.

01:31:31.000 You know, I've flown a helicopter high.

01:31:35.000 On DMT? No, no, on weed.

01:31:37.000 Oh, that's a different animal.

01:31:39.000 With an instructor.

01:31:39.000 He wanted to see how I did it, and it was perfect.

01:31:42.000 Yeah, I play pool, which is a very sensitive thing.

01:31:46.000 Not quite the same as death by helicopter.

01:31:49.000 It's not.

01:31:49.000 But you're controlling the rotations of a ball.

01:31:51.000 It's very delicate.

01:31:53.000 Yeah, isn't that nice?

01:31:54.000 Literally, the amount of effort you put, if you watch a good player, the amount of effort they put really accurately depicts how many revolutions of the cue ball after it's colliding with the object ball.

01:32:07.000 And you get more sensitive to that when you're high.

01:32:08.000 Yeah.

01:32:09.000 Jiu-jitsu is another one.

01:32:10.000 A lot of people do jiu-jitsu.

01:32:11.000 Really?

01:32:12.000 Yep.

01:32:12.000 Interesting.

01:32:13.000 It's really, really, really common.

01:32:14.000 Guys smoke out in the parking lot and then go roll.

01:32:16.000 It's really common.

01:32:17.000 Well, I did the most perfect landing ever when I did the helicopter.

01:32:22.000 Probably super into it.

01:32:23.000 Oh, and it's very small input.

01:32:25.000 The helicopter, you've seen it.

01:32:26.000 It's very, very small.

01:32:27.000 Yeah.

01:32:28.000 Anyway, so...

01:32:29.000 The tobacco industry had a real issue. 0.99

01:32:32.000 And that also comes back to the states because there's this master agreement that was put in place decades ago that tobacco companies would pay a percentage of their sales to all states to pre-compensation for whatever fucked up shit people get from smoking tobacco. 0.95

01:32:51.000 And all these states wrote big bonds against that money. 0.99

01:32:55.000 And so when the income from the tobacco companies was decreasing significantly because of vaping, All of a sudden, the states are going, especially this one, what the fuck? 0.99

01:33:06.000 These bonds are going to go bust. 0.98

01:33:09.000 When you have your state bond go bust, this is a real problem.

01:33:14.000 It's a financial issue.

01:33:15.000 States and cities and everything go broke.

01:33:17.000 So everyone had an incentive to get rid of vaping and get people back on tobacco.

01:33:23.000 So, they, Altria, bought Juul, the vape.

01:33:29.000 I mean, this is, you know, hardcore.

01:33:32.000 This is, you know, got a battery.

01:33:33.000 It's all technical.

01:33:34.000 You get the vape juice.

01:33:35.000 Juul is a prepackaged product.

01:33:37.000 Kids were buying it like candy.

01:33:38.000 What is the benefit of that over Juul?

01:33:41.000 You can control how much the draw is.

01:33:44.000 Because I see dudes that look like dragons.

01:33:45.000 They blow these gigantic...

01:33:46.000 And you can put whatever you want in it, not just limited by what Juul wants to sell you.

01:33:51.000 So...

01:33:52.000 We got some coffee.

01:33:53.000 Black Rifle coffee in the house.

01:33:55.000 It comes with...

01:34:00.000 Nice.

01:34:00.000 The mug is yours, too.

01:34:01.000 Oh, thank you.

01:34:02.000 You can keep that mug.

01:34:03.000 I want one of yours, though.

01:34:04.000 Do you have a mug?

01:34:05.000 Do you make a No Agenda mug?

01:34:06.000 So noagendashop.com, which we don't run.

01:34:09.000 Oh.

01:34:09.000 And they just send a donation from time to time.

01:34:12.000 You can get mugs and t-shirts and all kinds of stuff.

01:34:15.000 Really? 0.99

01:34:15.000 So they just sell your shit and occasionally give you money? 0.99

01:34:17.000 No, no. 1.00

01:34:17.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:34:18.000 So what they do is they go to the art generator.

01:34:20.000 They get images off of that.

01:34:22.000 Then they put it on t-shirts, mugs, hats, whatever.

01:34:25.000 They sell it, give a third to the artist, they keep a third, and they eventually give us some money.

01:34:29.000 Okay.

01:34:30.000 But, you know, we've always said, just do whatever you want.

01:34:33.000 That's beautiful.

01:34:34.000 We don't care.

01:34:35.000 It's a kismet.

01:34:37.000 Is it kismet?

01:34:38.000 Kiretsu?

01:34:38.000 Maybe that's a better word.

01:34:40.000 I don't know what either one of those mean.

01:34:41.000 Do you know what those mean?

01:34:42.000 I don't know either.

01:34:43.000 What does it mean?

01:34:44.000 That's like something Larry Ellison would say.

01:34:46.000 Isn't kiretsu when two companies agree in Japan to do some kind of business together without a contract?

01:34:58.000 Those are nice contracts.

01:35:01.000 Verbal ones from PDE Trust?

01:35:02.000 Cheers, sir.

01:35:03.000 Glad we got together to do this.

01:35:05.000 Likewise.

01:35:05.000 It's way overdue.

01:35:07.000 Way overdue.

01:35:08.000 For sure.

01:35:09.000 But those are good relationships when you have a relationship with someone where you don't have any paperwork.

01:35:14.000 You just like each other.

01:35:15.000 Dvorak and I, you know, we eventually had to do an LLC because the IRS was going...

01:35:23.000 I don't understand.

01:35:24.000 People send in checks.

01:35:25.000 They do PayPal.

01:35:26.000 They give cash.

01:35:28.000 Could you just make it a little simpler?

01:35:30.000 We're just cutting it down the middle because there's no one else involved.

01:35:35.000 But otherwise, we just had a handshake for a decade.

01:35:41.000 It's like, you didn't ask me to...

01:35:43.000 Oh, is this my release?

01:35:44.000 Yeah, that's my release. 1.00

01:35:46.000 You didn't ask me to sign a release, fucker. 1.00

01:35:49.000 Look at this whole thing here. 1.00

01:35:53.000 We made that just in case.

01:35:54.000 Because you don't want to get sued by somebody.

01:35:56.000 Yeah, well you can.

01:35:57.000 Of course you can.

01:35:59.000 This is a weird world.

01:36:00.000 Yeah, particularly.

01:36:01.000 Well, you got celebrity guests on.

01:36:04.000 The only thing I have to be careful about is slander, I guess.

01:36:09.000 Anyway, back to that, because you like this story.

01:36:11.000 Okay.

01:36:11.000 So tobacco states, everyone's keyed up.

01:36:14.000 They buy Juul for $18 billion.

01:36:16.000 They buy it as a write-off.

01:36:18.000 I think?

01:36:37.000 It was actually, yeah, he vaped, but he vaped a bad THC cartridge and, you know, got a severe problem.

01:36:43.000 So you know how the media plays that, and it just kept on spinning, spinning.

01:36:46.000 They're like, well, we have to stop children, and the way you stop it is by taking away the flavors, because children, they want flavors.

01:36:52.000 That's what the problem is. 0.98

01:36:53.000 So that fucked Juul over. 0.74

01:36:55.000 And actually, Altria, who, you know, they bought Philip Morris, basically, so it's the biggest tobacco company. 0.89

01:37:01.000 They already wrote down half of it. 0.99

01:37:03.000 They're just taking the fucking L on it. 0.98

01:37:05.000 They want to get rid of it because in the wings they had their competing products, which is IQOS. I quit ordinary smoking. 0.99

01:37:15.000 Small I, capital QOS. And it heats tobacco.

01:37:20.000 So it looks like a vape pen, but it actually runs on tobacco, and it doesn't burn it.

01:37:26.000 It heats it up, has some kind of mechanism in the filter.

01:37:31.000 You inhale, and it's almost their dream, which is the smokeless cigarette, very close to it.

01:37:36.000 But most importantly, it's not...

01:37:40.000 I think we're good to go.

01:37:57.000 He said, well, this vaping is very dangerous.

01:38:01.000 We have a kid.

01:38:02.000 Actually, it was one of those moments where everyone loves to jump on Trump.

01:38:06.000 He said, Melania has a kid.

01:38:08.000 He forgot to say it was his, whatever it was. 0.99

01:38:10.000 And now he's actually been overheard saying, I wish I'd never gotten involved in that fucking thing because he figured it out. 0.99

01:38:16.000 He figured out it was a huge scam. 0.97

01:38:19.000 The bill has been stopped, but now they're still trying to push through A bill that will help the tobacco companies even more by outlawing any type of flavored e-cigarettes or juice liquid.

01:38:31.000 They just want to get rid of it.

01:38:32.000 So it's really like who killed the electric car?

01:38:35.000 It's exactly that.

01:38:36.000 Look at it now.

01:38:38.000 IQOS. They're launching.

01:38:39.000 There's news stories today that say...

01:38:42.000 Oh my God!

01:38:43.000 It's the saving grace.

01:38:45.000 We have the new product we've all been waiting for.

01:38:48.000 Right at the moment that vaping is going to kill you, it's hooking children because of flavors.

01:38:53.000 So do you think they're hiring people to write news stories and the news organizations are picking you up because they're being told to do this?

01:38:59.000 Just do a press release!

01:39:00.000 Just do a press release?

01:39:01.000 Come on.

01:39:01.000 It's so easy in the media.

01:39:03.000 Just do a press release and...

01:39:04.000 Oh, by the way, we're Altria, so we're going to buy $500 million worth of advertising over the next five years.

01:39:13.000 Would you please run our story?

01:39:14.000 You might want to look at this.

01:39:16.000 Come on.

01:39:16.000 Tobacco!

01:39:18.000 So do you think that they make a deal before they accept the press release to do advertising, or do they wait a little bit?

01:39:23.000 You don't even have to say anything.

01:39:28.000 It's implied.

01:39:29.000 Everyone knows.

01:39:29.000 Why do you not hear the discussion about over-medication of children on television?

01:39:35.000 Look at the number one advertiser.

01:39:38.000 If you start talking, it's just not discussed.

01:39:41.000 You can't have a discussion.

01:39:42.000 Because it is a controversial subject and it would be a good subject for television because it would get a lot of people paying attention to it.

01:39:48.000 It would get a lot of ratings if you have a lot of stories about over-medication of children.

01:39:52.000 People would be like, what?

01:39:53.000 What is going on?

01:39:54.000 It would be something people would be interested in.

01:39:56.000 And yet, they don't do it.

01:39:58.000 Because the advertiser...

01:40:00.000 I mean, just look at your advertiser.

01:40:03.000 I have to turn off the sound these days because I'm sure that I'm being blanketed with so many ads that eventually I'm going to get Propecia.

01:40:11.000 Eventually I'm going to get high blood pressure. 0.99

01:40:13.000 My dick's not going to work. 0.99

01:40:15.000 Because that's what you're telling you. 1.00

01:40:16.000 Every commercial block.

01:40:19.000 Everyone.

01:40:19.000 It's pharmaceutical.

01:40:21.000 Like cable news especially because it's an older demographic.

01:40:25.000 But even if you watch...

01:40:26.000 What is it?

01:40:29.000 What do they have?

01:40:32.000 Where they have two and a half men running all TV land.

01:40:35.000 Two and a half men and what's the other one?

01:40:37.000 Doug and Carrie.

01:40:37.000 I don't watch those.

01:40:38.000 Come on, Kevin James.

01:40:40.000 Two and a half men?

01:40:41.000 No, no, no.

01:40:42.000 Doug and Carrie, where he's the UPS driver.

01:40:44.000 Oh, King of Queens.

01:40:45.000 King of Queens, yeah.

01:40:46.000 But I don't watch sitcoms anymore.

01:40:48.000 I can watch that.

01:40:49.000 That's a funny show.

01:40:49.000 I can just watch it over and over again.

01:40:51.000 Kevin's a good dude.

01:40:52.000 But then every commercial break, Boom.

01:40:54.000 Drugs.

01:40:55.000 Yeah, which documentary was it that had a description about the United States saying that we are one of two countries in the world that allows advertising?

01:41:07.000 Yes, I think Australia is the other.

01:41:08.000 I think it's New Zealand.

01:41:09.000 Okay.

01:41:10.000 It's either Australia or New Zealand. 0.91

01:41:11.000 Sorry, either one, because that's like a real fuck-up. 0.53

01:41:14.000 Call out the wrong one of those two. 0.98

01:41:16.000 I'm pretty sure it's New Zealand. 0.99

01:41:18.000 But that, for whatever reason, everybody else is like, what are you, crazy?

01:41:22.000 And once we got it in there, it's like, once something becomes something that everybody does, it's really difficult to fix.

01:41:27.000 It's crazy that we do that.

01:41:29.000 I'm going to get you a blunt.

01:41:30.000 But this coffee, by the way, is phenomenal.

01:41:34.000 You are legit, man.

01:41:39.000 Black Rifle Coffee.

01:41:40.000 Black Rifle Coffee.

01:41:41.000 Shout out to Evan and Matt.

01:41:42.000 Is it the vets who do that?

01:41:44.000 Yes.

01:41:44.000 Evan Hafer and Matt Best.

01:41:47.000 That's pretty good, though.

01:41:48.000 What is this?

01:41:50.000 I don't know what that is.

01:41:52.000 It's weed?

01:41:53.000 My mother would roll over her in her grave if she saw this. 0.89

01:41:56.000 She doesn't like it?

01:41:56.000 Well, she's dead.

01:41:57.000 Oh.

01:41:58.000 But she didn't like it?

01:41:59.000 But she would just be like, I don't... 0.93

01:42:00.000 It's your mom, Joe.

01:42:02.000 I mean, it's like, you know...

01:42:03.000 My mom smokes pot.

01:42:05.000 Yeah, my mom was not a pot smoker. 1.00

01:42:07.000 Mm-hmm.

01:42:08.000 My parents were hippies.

01:42:09.000 I grew up with Emily Post etiquette.

01:42:12.000 Oh, okay.

01:42:12.000 I still, if a woman comes in, I'll stand up at the table.

01:42:15.000 Oh, good for you.

01:42:17.000 Well, in Texas, that's...

01:42:18.000 I love that...

01:42:19.000 One of the things that I really love about Austin in particular is it's kind of a hybrid of hippies and Texas people.

01:42:26.000 And that's how I feel.

01:42:28.000 And I like that.

01:42:28.000 I like having guns.

01:42:30.000 I like the whole idea of protecting my family and being able to take out an evil government.

01:42:36.000 I like that.

01:42:37.000 Well, that's what it's for.

01:42:38.000 The Second Amendment is to protect the First Amendment.

01:42:41.000 That's my view.

01:42:42.000 And we got a culture.

01:42:44.000 We have a gun culture in Texas.

01:42:46.000 And also, people are really nice in the car to each other.

01:42:49.000 It's like, go ahead, man. 1.00

01:42:51.000 You might have a fucking gun. 1.00

01:42:52.000 Everybody's got guns. 1.00

01:42:53.000 After you, bro.

01:42:54.000 It's fine.

01:42:55.000 There's no real road rage.

01:42:56.000 Well, there's that expression, right?

01:42:58.000 A well-armed society is a polite society.

01:43:00.000 Mm-hmm.

01:43:01.000 Now, I'm not saying that that's my rainbows and unicorn vision of the world.

01:43:05.000 I'm not either.

01:43:05.000 But it works.

01:43:06.000 Yes, it does work.

01:43:07.000 It does work.

01:43:07.000 There's places where people are armed that it's a really nice place to be.

01:43:10.000 It doesn't mean bad things can't happen there.

01:43:13.000 That's very interesting.

01:43:14.000 This stuff?

01:43:15.000 You like it, right?

01:43:15.000 Yeah, I've never done a blunt.

01:43:17.000 Oh, it's good, right?

01:43:18.000 Charlie Murphy got me in it.

01:43:19.000 So that's a pre-made blunt?

01:43:21.000 Mm-hmm.

01:43:22.000 Yeah, Charlie would actually make them.

01:43:23.000 So how much tobacco is in there versus...

01:43:25.000 It's the leaf on the outside.

01:43:27.000 Is it rolled on the thighs of virgins? 1.00

01:43:29.000 I don't believe so.

01:43:30.000 Oh, like Bill Hicks' bit?

01:43:32.000 I don't know Bill Hicks' bit.

01:43:34.000 I do know that some cohibas are supposed to be rolled on the thighs of virgins. 0.99

01:43:38.000 Is that what they said?

01:43:39.000 Well, it's marketing.

01:43:40.000 Hicks had a bit about...

01:43:41.000 It's good marketing.

01:43:42.000 Yeah, I forget what it was. 1.00

01:43:44.000 Rolled with Claudia Schiffer's pussy lips. 1.00

01:43:46.000 I think that's what he said here. 1.00

01:43:48.000 I've never been into her. 0.94

01:43:50.000 Back in the day, she's pretty fucking hot. 1.00

01:43:51.000 Yeah, she's definitely skinny. 1.00

01:43:55.000 Wasn't she married to David Copperfield?

01:43:58.000 Is she still with him or was with him for a long time?

01:44:00.000 I don't know. 0.99

01:44:00.000 I try not to pay attention to who's fucking who. 0.99

01:44:03.000 It seems like Jamie's into it. 0.98

01:44:04.000 It was a while ago.

01:44:06.000 Jamie will tell you, any kind of celebrity this or that that's going down, that was a long time ago.

01:44:10.000 She still looks hot, though. 0.96

01:44:12.000 I saw a picture of her.

01:44:14.000 Some of them gals can keep it together. 1.00

01:44:17.000 Good skin.

01:44:18.000 Yeah.

01:44:19.000 Good skin.

01:44:20.000 Drinks a lot of water.

01:44:21.000 Good habits, I guess.

01:44:22.000 So, back to the vape pen thing.

01:44:25.000 So, someone needs to make a documentary.

01:44:27.000 That is a crazy little sneaky move, or at least a YouTube video.

01:44:32.000 It's a multi-billion dollar scam propagated against multiple states in the United States and free choice of consumers all to protect an industry that essentially we're trying to get away with with vaping.

01:44:46.000 Because I've been an addicted smoker all my life.

01:44:49.000 Smoked cigarettes from at least 15 probably earlier.

01:44:53.000 Then luckily got into weed and been smoking all my life pretty much.

01:44:59.000 But I still would roll it with tobacco, which does give you an extra delivery mechanism, an extra kind of kick.

01:45:09.000 But then I would just, from time to time, just smoke one, a cigarette. 0.99

01:45:12.000 First of all, chemicals and all kinds of bullshit is in there. 1.00

01:45:16.000 Stinks up the house. 1.00

01:45:18.000 I want to live longer.

01:45:19.000 Is this great?

01:45:21.000 No, I'm sure it isn't.

01:45:22.000 You look very good for a person who smoked a long time.

01:45:24.000 I'm 55. You look great for 55. You really do.

01:45:27.000 You look a lot younger than that.

01:45:28.000 I think if you took me and compressed me down, I'd look like you.

01:45:33.000 That's got the really long muscles.

01:45:35.000 Like, if you push it all down, it would be better.

01:45:38.000 Yeah, but your health is like, you look like a healthy person.

01:45:42.000 You look like you're doing well.

01:45:43.000 So I do the dancing, and I go to ride indoor cycling.

01:45:46.000 Oh, cool.

01:45:46.000 I do spin.

01:45:47.000 That's excellent.

01:45:48.000 Oh my god.

01:45:49.000 But this is more like a dance kind of oriented one. 0.97

01:45:51.000 And it's just fucking loud music and it's all in rhythm and you've kind of got a group vibe going on. 0.91

01:45:57.000 And cardio, of course, is fantastic. 0.98

01:45:59.000 They also do weights.

01:46:01.000 Three pound weights.

01:46:02.000 There's something really cool about doing stuff with a group of people.

01:46:06.000 Any kind of difficult thing.

01:46:08.000 Everybody's pushing everybody.

01:46:09.000 Come on, let's go. 0.98

01:46:10.000 It's fun.

01:46:11.000 A lot of spin classes are really competitive.

01:46:15.000 You see the Peloton ads.

01:46:17.000 That's not what this is.

01:46:19.000 You're standing, you're sitting, you're tapping back, you're doing crunches, you're doing push-ups.

01:46:26.000 All to the beat.

01:46:26.000 So the faster the beat, of course, the faster you're doing it.

01:46:30.000 So it's like dancing, but then on a bike.

01:46:37.000 I like being yelled at in a dark room.

01:46:41.000 Right.

01:46:42.000 Like a boot camp vibe.

01:46:44.000 So I don't have my hearing aids in.

01:46:45.000 I don't have my glasses on.

01:46:46.000 So I'm kind of like, you're blurry right now.

01:46:49.000 So I can't see the hottie instructor up there.

01:46:52.000 It doesn't make any difference.

01:46:53.000 It's just something about the vibe.

01:46:54.000 So I get into it.

01:46:55.000 Tell me about the hearing aids.

01:46:57.000 Because you took them out when you got in.

01:46:58.000 You put the headphones on.

01:46:59.000 And this is from listening to music too loud.

01:47:02.000 No.

01:47:03.000 You'd think.

01:47:04.000 You'd think.

01:47:05.000 No.

01:47:06.000 I have a genetic...

01:47:30.000 Welcome to my show!

01:47:32.000 And I brought it up to her and I said, do you think I ask you to repeat something a lot?

01:47:38.000 She says, no, it doesn't really bother me.

01:47:39.000 And then she says, but the TV is very loud.

01:47:42.000 I said, really?

01:47:42.000 The TV is very loud.

01:47:44.000 I said, oh, I don't even realize that.

01:47:47.000 So I went to an audiologist, and lo and behold, my grandmother on my dad's side was completely deaf almost from her teens.

01:47:56.000 So I have some of this, but it's been okay.

01:47:59.000 Only as you get older, everything, the levels, you know, to see like here's a level where you can hear everything, and I was already kind of there, so now it's just due to age, just everything goes down a bit.

01:48:10.000 And so I'm missing 1K and 1 kilohertz.

01:48:13.000 I'm missing different tones.

01:48:16.000 And so I went to an audiologist and said, well, it's very mild, but yeah, this can make you repeat stuff and it will get worse over time.

01:48:23.000 And what actually happens to a lot of men in particular is they become very isolated from the world.

01:48:27.000 They don't even realize that they have a hearing problem.

01:48:30.000 And now the difference between having them in and taking them out is massive.

01:48:35.000 I can hear how much less it is.

01:48:38.000 Another clue was that I have a, for all my podcast radio work, I have a headphone, but I put an extra amplifier on it.

01:48:46.000 You can still hear it today.

01:48:48.000 Sometimes I'm talking and it'll leak just a little bit because I have it so loud.

01:48:53.000 Now, that's not going to damage my ears, but...

01:48:55.000 The problem with anything you put in your ears, you can't hear the sound anymore.

01:49:00.000 And I like our processing, our EQ. It's very important to me.

01:49:04.000 So I can hear that without the hearing aids, but not with the hearing aids.

01:49:08.000 Oh, that's interesting.

01:49:09.000 So the hearing aids give you a different kind of sound? 1.00

01:49:11.000 Well, so today's hearing aid is not your grandpa's geriatric, brown, goopy-looking piece of shit that makes you look like just a total moron. 1.00

01:49:19.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:49:20.000 How dare you?

01:49:21.000 You did the face and everything.

01:49:22.000 I did the face!

01:49:23.000 Hey, I have disability here.

01:49:25.000 I get a victim card.

01:49:27.000 Okay?

01:49:27.000 You can get probably a plate.

01:49:30.000 Boundaries, Adam.

01:49:30.000 Special plate.

01:49:31.000 Boundaries.

01:49:31.000 Okay.

01:49:32.000 So these are the Widex Evoke.

01:49:35.000 These have 35 channels of compressor limiter, multiple settings.

01:49:40.000 It's an in-ear, so it goes right into my ear.

01:49:44.000 I still have a little bleed through from the outside world, but usually an audiologist sticks this thing in your ear and makes you do all the tests.

01:49:52.000 And then they'll sit there and they'll sit across from you and they're going to program it so that you can then hear You have to be a trained professional.

01:50:01.000 It's very hard to fix someone who has never heard what is proper.

01:50:07.000 Now, I'm a little different, and I'm also way into sound.

01:50:10.000 It's a whole racket.

01:50:11.000 These things are $3,500.

01:50:13.000 It's a huge racket.

01:50:15.000 And the way they do it is the manufacturer can't buy it directly from retail.

01:50:19.000 You can only buy it through an audiologist.

01:50:21.000 So they're already getting half the money.

01:50:24.000 You know, the $1,500 at least.

01:50:25.000 And you have to have an appointment.

01:50:28.000 So there's all this money that goes on top.

01:50:30.000 And then you come back after a couple months and they tweak it and you come back again.

01:50:34.000 So I said, look, see who I am.

01:50:38.000 I've told you what I do. 1.00

01:50:39.000 Give me the fucking software. 1.00

01:50:40.000 She said, oh, no, no. 1.00

01:50:42.000 I was going to give it to you.

01:50:42.000 I just wanted to do one session with you.

01:50:45.000 I said, you have to have this.

01:50:46.000 So I have pre-programmed like six different programs.

01:50:50.000 So I can do one just for music.

01:50:53.000 I can do one for television.

01:50:55.000 One for social situations.

01:50:57.000 And I have one.

01:50:58.000 So I did it all myself.

01:51:00.000 All these 35 different channels of compressor limiter.

01:51:06.000 So when I'm walking around, what I hear on my ears is like a radio show.

01:51:11.000 Like the sound, like when I'm talking right now, I hear my own voice.

01:51:15.000 It all resonates because I've jacked all that up.

01:51:17.000 So I've made my own reality of sound.

01:51:21.000 Wow.

01:51:22.000 But I also have one.

01:51:23.000 I can set it to a setting in the mall.

01:51:25.000 I can hear a conversation from 50 feet away.

01:51:28.000 Whoa.

01:51:29.000 It was my eavesdropping setting.

01:51:32.000 The only thing that doesn't work is you can't have headphones because that doesn't work having the hearing aids in with the headphones.

01:51:41.000 With the sound.

01:51:41.000 Yeah, because you're blasting into the microphone.

01:51:44.000 It really doesn't work.

01:51:45.000 That's crazy, though, that you can hear people having a conversation 50 feet away.

01:51:50.000 Can you focus in on people?

01:51:51.000 By turning my head?

01:51:52.000 Yeah, by turning my head.

01:51:53.000 Wow.

01:51:54.000 I mean, there's a lot you can focus, you can have it automatically.

01:51:58.000 So the problem is, the way I've set it up.

01:52:01.000 You can drop a pen there if I don't see it.

01:52:03.000 I might hear it over there.

01:52:05.000 Now, that's always going to be a problem.

01:52:07.000 They have an algorithm that will try to guess where the sound is from and tell your ears that.

01:52:14.000 So basically, I'm not the guy you want in the battlefield.

01:52:18.000 Telling you where the shots are being fired from.

01:52:20.000 Oh my god, that's hilarious.

01:52:22.000 I just can't hear it.

01:52:23.000 Wow.

01:52:24.000 But just for...

01:52:26.000 Yeah, so it just doesn't work with headphones.

01:52:28.000 That's why I take them out.

01:52:29.000 It's amazing, though.

01:52:31.000 They sound incredibly potent.

01:52:33.000 Oh, yeah.

01:52:34.000 You remember.

01:52:35.000 I mean, you know what real sound sounds like.

01:52:37.000 Yes.

01:52:38.000 Does everything sound real to you?

01:52:39.000 Yes.

01:52:40.000 Well, what you automatically do, because I was able to do it, I have different settings for different situations.

01:52:49.000 So if I'm at home, it's relatively quiet, or we have some music on, or TV, or whatever.

01:52:56.000 Now I have the Tina frequency, which is kind of like one kilohertz, and that's where I hear her better.

01:53:01.000 And so that's jacked up a little bit.

01:53:04.000 And then if I hear you talk, I can hear it'll be a little...

01:53:07.000 I can hear it's not exactly you.

01:53:09.000 It's a little too tinny, maybe.

01:53:11.000 But that's just me.

01:53:12.000 I mean, that's not everyone's experience, of course.

01:53:15.000 But to me, it's...

01:53:16.000 The disability has become an incredible joy because I have virtual reality on my head all the time.

01:53:23.000 Yeah, I was just saying that. 1.00

01:53:23.000 You could probably fuck with someone's voice like a Snapchat filter and make them sound like a cartoon. 1.00

01:53:29.000 It's really advanced. 0.99

01:53:30.000 I mean, you can connect to an iPhone, so you can stream wirelessly.

01:53:35.000 Right.

01:53:36.000 You can do, like, if you're driving with directions with the maps, then you can just be talking and in your ear all of a sudden it's like, let the light turn right.

01:53:44.000 No one else hears it.

01:53:45.000 There's no wires, no nothing.

01:53:47.000 You wouldn't even know I had them in unless you look.

01:53:50.000 We're becoming cyborgs.

01:53:53.000 Although I'm against it, that is a part of the road to transhumanism. 1.00

01:53:58.000 Right, but how can you say you're against it where you're enjoying this thing?

01:54:03.000 This to me is more, it's not a replacement, it's an enhancement.

01:54:06.000 Yes.

01:54:07.000 But that's how they're going to get us. 0.98

01:54:09.000 When the first dude gets his legs removed for artificial carbon fiber legs that you can feel but that can run 60 miles an hour, when the first guy gets his legs removed in favor of new legs, that's when we're going to go, holy shit. 0.97

01:54:24.000 Whenever I tell my radio buddies about my hearing aids, they're always like, oh, that's fucking cool. 0.97

01:54:28.000 It's cool.

01:54:30.000 I want that too.

01:54:31.000 I want that.

01:54:31.000 Don't get me wrong.

01:54:33.000 I'm just looking at the bleak landscape ahead of us.

01:54:36.000 By the way, beware.

01:54:37.000 I just want to say something because there's a lot of...

01:54:39.000 They're not called hearing aids.

01:54:41.000 They're called hearing amplifiers.

01:54:43.000 They have some fuzzy legal language that are coming on the market that you put all the way in your ear, the rechargeables.

01:54:50.000 They've got a whole bunch of them.

01:54:50.000 They're much, much cheaper.

01:54:53.000 From an audio standpoint, I've done it for 40 years.

01:54:57.000 That's not the way you want to go if you seriously want to hear properly again.

01:55:02.000 So see an audiologist is what I'm saying.

01:55:04.000 And there's lots of different...

01:55:06.000 It's not all $3,500.

01:55:08.000 It's more expensive, but I just recommend that self-testing is not a good idea.

01:55:14.000 One of the best pool players in the world is a guy named Shane Van Boning.

01:55:18.000 Shane is deaf.

01:55:20.000 He was born deaf.

01:55:21.000 And when he plays, he shuts his hearing aids off.

01:55:24.000 It's a world of silence.

01:55:26.000 And he's just playing in complete, total silence.

01:55:29.000 And when he does that, when he shuts his hearing aid off, he feels like he's got super concentration.

01:55:34.000 It doesn't matter what else is going on. 0.99

01:55:36.000 All he's doing is just focusing on the balls. 0.98

01:55:38.000 And that sense doesn't exist. 0.96

01:55:41.000 So he's hyper-focused on other things.

01:55:44.000 I notice that sometimes when I walk with noise-canceling headsets on, I'll smell things more.

01:55:52.000 Well, that's kind of well-known.

01:55:53.000 Different parts of your body compensate for if something's missing.

01:55:57.000 You're more tuned in.

01:55:59.000 Like, let's pay attention here.

01:56:01.000 The ears are offline. 0.99

01:56:03.000 A mountain lion can be running behind you, and you're listening to fucking All Things Considered. 0.99

01:56:07.000 Think about it. 0.96

01:56:08.000 If you can't hear the mountain lion frequencies anymore, and today's mountain lion is, you know, car engines, all kinds of stuff.

01:56:15.000 You can't hear it.

01:56:16.000 It's dangerous.

01:56:17.000 It is.

01:56:17.000 And you don't know.

01:56:18.000 You just slip into it. 0.97

01:56:19.000 I had no idea until, you know, we have a new relationship, you know, so we've been living together for a couple years, and luckily, you know, we're completely open and honest, like, hey, is this fucked up? 0.64

01:56:30.000 It's so cool that that exists, though. 0.97

01:56:33.000 I mean, that's an elegant solution, and for someone like you, it actually gives you a chance to tinker with shit, and I'm sure you really enjoy that aspect of it. 0.95

01:56:40.000 Yeah, you love that. 0.98

01:56:41.000 I really do.

01:56:43.000 I can tell when you talk about it.

01:56:44.000 It's a small thing.

01:56:45.000 Even when you talk about the apps on your phone, you're so excited about that.

01:56:49.000 Just that whole band, like, hmm, okay.

01:56:52.000 Do you use Unix or Linux?

01:56:54.000 Are you one of those dudes?

01:56:55.000 Oh, yeah.

01:56:56.000 Oh, yeah.

01:56:56.000 You're deep.

01:56:57.000 Oh, yeah.

01:56:58.000 ThinkPad?

01:56:59.000 Are you a ThinkPad guy?

01:57:00.000 No, I'm not that deep.

01:57:01.000 I actually love the...

01:57:02.000 I'm deep.

01:57:04.000 I'm not that deep.

01:57:06.000 I used to be a Mac guy, and then Mac started fucking up their USB interfaces, and I got tired of it, and then I went to Windows.

01:57:13.000 A lot of the top DJs, like the Danger Mouse and these guys, were all going Windows for audio.

01:57:18.000 I'm like, oh, check it out.

01:57:23.000 We're good to go.

01:57:49.000 And so I bought the Surface Go, which is a 10-inch screen.

01:57:53.000 It's a tablet, but has a clip-on keyboard.

01:57:56.000 And I just load Lubuntu, which is a lightweight version of Ubuntu.

01:58:03.000 And I use that.

01:58:04.000 Which is Linux.

01:58:05.000 Yeah.

01:58:05.000 Yeah, it's Linux.

01:58:06.000 Tell those people out there that don't know shit. 0.97

01:58:09.000 Well, the only problem is that there really is no good multi-track audio solution for Linux. 0.99

01:58:15.000 Please, don't email me. 0.99

01:58:16.000 I've been following this shit for decades. 0.99

01:58:19.000 It's not there. 1.00

01:58:20.000 You don't know what you're talking about.

01:58:22.000 It's just...

01:58:23.000 It's an issue with companies not wanting to do drivers and there being no platform.

01:58:27.000 But that's too bad, so I still produce our show on Windows.

01:58:31.000 But the rest of my life is all Linux and my flip phone.

01:58:36.000 Is that your desktop there?

01:58:37.000 It's just a Lubuntu.

01:58:38.000 I just picked it up.

01:58:39.000 Oh, it's beautiful.

01:58:40.000 It's beautiful.

01:58:41.000 That's the idea.

01:58:43.000 What do you use for a word processor if you don't use Word?

01:58:46.000 LibreOffice.

01:58:47.000 LibreOffice?

01:58:47.000 What is LibreOffice?

01:58:48.000 I just have to laugh at it.

01:58:50.000 Dvorak and I just...

01:58:52.000 We've tried to move to Linux so many times.

01:58:54.000 It's like, hey, man, I'm going to...

01:58:56.000 Ten years ago, I'm going to install Linux.

01:58:58.000 Okay. 0.99

01:58:59.000 I couldn't get the screen to work, you know, whatever shit it was. 0.98

01:59:02.000 Because I'm not... 0.98

01:59:03.000 We're just hacking around.

01:59:04.000 And then, like, in the last year, I said, I'm going to try it again.

01:59:09.000 And it stuck.

01:59:10.000 And I'm like, it worked.

01:59:11.000 It's good enough.

01:59:12.000 And now we're like, yes, our official distro is Linux Mint 19. That's the one you all want to have.

01:59:18.000 And by the way, you know, Have your kid learn how to install it on some old computer.

01:59:22.000 It'll teach the kid something.

01:59:24.000 And so LibreOffice has just been this running joke because Libre means free and kind of like this lovey-dovey because it is.

01:59:30.000 It's free as in free open source software.

01:59:33.000 Yeah, I know some people get attached to that Microsoft tit in terms of like Office Suite and all the different things.

01:59:40.000 But I just use Word.

01:59:42.000 That's really basically all I use.

01:59:43.000 Well, and you can save in Word format.

01:59:46.000 It doesn't make any difference.

01:59:47.000 I think it's just a really good...

01:59:49.000 As far as a word processing, that's all I think about.

01:59:54.000 How well does it do the job?

01:59:56.000 For me, it's information management and email.

01:59:59.000 I use ClauseMail, and you can really customize it.

02:00:03.000 So I have filters and cording commands.

02:00:06.000 By doing this, then it'll send back a message like, Hey, man, thanks for this.

02:00:11.000 And then it'll forward a copy to the back office and save it unread in the show folder.

02:00:17.000 That kind of stuff.

02:00:18.000 If you want to get balls deep into the world of computer technology, it's a long river.

02:00:23.000 There's a lot of stuff to know.

02:00:25.000 My first computer was the Sinclair ZX80. Sinclair ZX80. I never even heard of it.

02:00:32.000 And I built my own modem, which was, I think, basically, like, I don't know, five baud, I guess.

02:00:40.000 And it was an acoustic modem.

02:00:42.000 So we basically ripped open a phone, put the two pieces in boxes, and then put another handset on top.

02:00:49.000 Here, Jamie's got it.

02:00:50.000 That's it, man.

02:00:50.000 Yeah, that's it.

02:00:51.000 Sinclair ZX80. Dude, and you did that at 5 baud.

02:00:54.000 I remember when they switched from 14.4.

02:00:58.000 That was way before.

02:01:00.000 And then my dad always had computers around the house, and I was online very early in.

02:01:06.000 That's amazing.

02:01:07.000 Look at that thing. 0.92

02:01:08.000 So I was hacking with that stuff.

02:01:09.000 Wow.

02:01:10.000 And then the Trash 80, TRS-100, which was kind of a laptop on batteries.

02:01:16.000 Vic-20, Commodore 64. So when this first started happening and you started going on Usenet and you started getting a taste of the internet, my experience was AOL. I picked up an Apple home computer from one of them office stores,

02:01:32.000 whatever the chain was.

02:01:33.000 I don't think they're around anymore.

02:01:36.000 It was actually, oh, CompUSA.

02:01:38.000 That's what it was.

02:01:39.000 Remember that?

02:01:40.000 That's what it was.

02:01:41.000 The computer superstore.

02:01:43.000 My friend Robbie used to actually make computers or sell computers for a living, so he was telling me what to get.

02:01:48.000 And I got home, and I somehow or another connected to AOL. The first thing I did was go and try to find UFO files.

02:01:56.000 That's all I was trying to find.

02:01:58.000 Like, what are the government's files on UFOs? 0.98

02:01:59.000 I want to read whatever the fuck you can read. 0.93

02:02:01.000 I want to know what they know. 1.00

02:02:04.000 I was downloading all this shit from these crude AOL boards. 0.98

02:02:09.000 And like these online searches where you could online search things. 0.99

02:02:13.000 Archie.

02:02:14.000 Yeah, you would get all the paperwork.

02:02:16.000 Remember Archie?

02:02:16.000 The search engine, Archie?

02:02:18.000 I don't remember that one.

02:02:18.000 You had Archie and then you had Veronica.

02:02:19.000 They would search different types of servers.

02:02:22.000 Remember Gopher?

02:02:23.000 Did you ever get into Gopher?

02:02:24.000 Gopher, I don't remember either.

02:02:26.000 So check this out.

02:02:27.000 Jamie does.

02:02:28.000 Jamie's not.

02:02:28.000 So Gopher was basically the World Wide Web, only there was no web.

02:02:32.000 And so you could log on to a terminal.

02:02:34.000 And you could use a menu system, so basically with the arrow keys, but you go to the right, and you might be connecting to a different computer at a different university, i.e.

02:02:44.000 a different server.

02:02:45.000 And then you could have a...

02:02:46.000 So it was basically all these...

02:02:50.000 Information documents linking to each other.

02:02:52.000 And I started one.

02:02:53.000 I registered MTV.com.

02:02:56.000 Wow.

02:02:56.000 And I went to him and said, Hey, I want to do this thing on the internet where a lot of our audience is, and I want to register MTV.com.

02:03:06.000 Yeah, that's cool.

02:03:07.000 Don't worry about it.

02:03:08.000 We have the AOL keyword, so you go ahead and do your little internet thing there, son.

02:03:11.000 Do whatever you want.

02:03:12.000 We have the AOL keyword.

02:03:13.000 It's literally what they said.

02:03:14.000 We got it locked up, bro.

02:03:15.000 We got the internet figured out.

02:03:16.000 Right.

02:03:17.000 And I'm promoting it on air.

02:03:19.000 Go to MTV.com for my Gopher server.

02:03:21.000 It was wild. 1.00

02:03:23.000 You could do shit then at MTV. In fact, first I got an email from the University of Michigan. 0.99

02:03:29.000 The Gophers, is that their symbol?

02:03:31.000 I don't know.

02:03:32.000 Minnesota.

02:03:33.000 Minnesota.

02:03:34.000 Oof, my God.

02:03:34.000 Thank you.

02:03:37.000 And they said, dude, you're using this commercially.

02:03:39.000 You have to pay us $5,000 for a license.

02:03:42.000 I'm like...

02:03:43.000 Just for the server software, which is open, you know, free, but something in the license.

02:03:47.000 I said, I'm doing this just on my own. 0.99

02:03:48.000 They don't give a fuck. 0.99

02:03:49.000 I'm just doing this. 0.99

02:03:51.000 I don't have $5,000.

02:03:52.000 I really didn't.

02:03:52.000 I don't have $5,000.

02:03:53.000 I said, if you send me a t-shirt, I'll wear it on MTV. And I said, okay.

02:03:58.000 And I said, I have a document.

02:04:00.000 You can see there's a video on YouTube of me with the Gopher t-shirt on MTV. And they were like, oh, man.

02:04:06.000 That's awesome.

02:04:07.000 So anyway.

02:04:07.000 That's cool on them, too.

02:04:09.000 So I got this set up.

02:04:10.000 And I got an email from this guy in Champaign-Urbana, Illinois.

02:04:16.000 And he's like, hey, Adam, see what you're doing with MTV.com.

02:04:18.000 Look, I got this thing that I've created, this Mosaic browser.

02:04:22.000 And can you install the server, HTTPD1.4 or whatever?

02:04:27.000 And that was Mark Andreessen, the guy who went on to create Netscape.

02:04:31.000 Wow.

02:04:32.000 And, you know, is now one of the biggest VC in Silicon Valley.

02:04:36.000 And when I saw that... 0.53

02:04:40.000 I said, oh shit, this is like graphic, like a webpage. 0.92

02:04:43.000 Remember we used to, images would take a long time to load. 0.95

02:04:46.000 First it would be black and white, progressively loading and it would become color.

02:04:50.000 Like a porn picture.

02:04:51.000 Took an hour to download.

02:04:54.000 Yeah, I remember the first time a friend sent me a porn video.

02:04:57.000 He's like, look at this.

02:04:59.000 I was like, what?

02:05:00.000 They can send a video now?

02:05:01.000 What was it?

02:05:01.000 Do you remember what it was?

02:05:02.000 It was a girl giving a guy a blowjob. 1.00

02:05:03.000 And it only lasted like 15 seconds. 1.00

02:05:05.000 Oh, of course.

02:05:06.000 And it took you two hours to download.

02:05:08.000 Forever.

02:05:09.000 Forever to download.

02:05:10.000 Remember when using it, you would download from 15 different things and you'd get all these different files and you had a program that put it back together. 0.98

02:05:18.000 That's crazy shit. 0.98

02:05:20.000 What is this? 1.00

02:05:21.000 The Gopher t-shirt.

02:05:22.000 Oh, there you are.

02:05:26.000 Hey everybody!

02:05:27.000 I want to put the glasses on.

02:05:30.000 I want to see that.

02:05:31.000 Look at you, dude.

02:05:33.000 Oh my god.

02:05:34.000 Seattle on the musical map.

02:05:36.000 Keep it here.

02:05:37.000 Keep it here, everybody.

02:05:39.000 Did those days feel like a different human being when you look back at that?

02:05:45.000 Like, that's a long-ass time ago.

02:05:46.000 Because of the time, yes, I'm sure.

02:05:49.000 And what MTV was like back then and just life back then.

02:05:52.000 Well, don't you have that yourself just with age?

02:05:54.000 Yeah, for sure.

02:05:55.000 So, of course, but it's all still a part of me.

02:05:59.000 That MTV period is so definitively closed because it's just not – that will never come back.

02:06:05.000 I mean, it was a magical time.

02:06:08.000 It was fun.

02:06:09.000 And to this day, it can be in the oddest places.

02:06:14.000 It's usually a guy in a suit and tie.

02:06:17.000 Good reflexes, bro.

02:06:18.000 Oh, that I have.

02:06:18.000 Yeah.

02:06:19.000 I can catch things.

02:06:20.000 Like, people drop a bottle.

02:06:22.000 I catch it on the way down.

02:06:23.000 That's my superpower.

02:06:24.000 You get Tourette's and you get a superpower.

02:06:27.000 That's my catching stuff.

02:06:28.000 Super reflexes.

02:06:29.000 Sorry, go ahead.

02:06:31.000 Usually a guy in a suit and tie. 0.99

02:06:32.000 And all of a sudden it's like, fucking head back. 1.00

02:06:36.000 Just bald, man. 1.00

02:06:37.000 Yeah.

02:06:38.000 And the tie comes off and like a Metallica t-shirt.

02:06:42.000 It's hilarious.

02:06:43.000 I love that.

02:06:44.000 And we share that.

02:06:45.000 And that's a shared experience that only our generation has.

02:06:51.000 And then once BET started getting the...

02:06:55.000 MTV had to buy BET because they were...

02:07:03.000 We're good to go.

02:07:07.000 We're good to go.

02:07:20.000 The real world?

02:07:22.000 The MTV ratings during the day were 0.5, basically.

02:07:28.000 And I was always proud that I would sometimes break one.

02:07:31.000 But I had interesting shows that people liked to watch, like Dial MTV. That was the precursor to Total Request Live, Carson Daly's show.

02:07:39.000 So I did that.

02:07:40.000 And, you know, that was just the top ten of the day, but people had the idea that they were making a difference in the chart, which they weren't, because it was number one, can you guess what was number one requested every single day?

02:07:53.000 What?

02:07:53.000 New Kids on the Block.

02:07:55.000 And they, it was the biggest problem in MTV, so sometimes they just did, oh, they didn't make it on, gee, or we're not playing anything under number five today, oh, New Kids on the Block are six, gee. 0.99

02:08:07.000 Which, it was kind of bullshit. 1.00

02:08:11.000 Kind of bullshit. 1.00

02:08:12.000 Don't... 1.00

02:08:12.000 Didn't that come up recently with Justin Bieber with Twitter? 1.00

02:08:16.000 Back when Twitter trending topics started, they couldn't figure out what to do.

02:08:20.000 He trended so hard on Twitter, they had to stop him from being number one.

02:08:24.000 What?

02:08:25.000 He probably still would be number one.

02:08:26.000 Or like Taylor Swift or Beyonce, someone would be up there all the time.

02:08:30.000 Of course. 0.99

02:08:31.000 Well, if anyone has any idea that this is fair, these rankings and ratings, fuck that. 0.98

02:08:35.000 It's still weird. 0.98

02:08:36.000 It's all weird because everybody's competing.

02:08:39.000 Hey, Joe, this is really nice.

02:08:41.000 Yeah, it is.

02:08:42.000 I'm having a really good time.

02:08:43.000 I am, too.

02:08:43.000 I'm really happy you're here.

02:08:44.000 I'm really excited about this.

02:08:45.000 I've always wanted to be part of kind of the pirate crew out here.

02:08:48.000 And now I feel like I've kind of connected.

02:08:50.000 I swear to God, we didn't try to be a pirate crew.

02:08:52.000 That's the weirdest thing about the whole thing.

02:08:54.000 There was no thought about it at all.

02:08:56.000 I just kept doing it.

02:08:56.000 There was never a plan.

02:08:58.000 I mean, as far as the plan is making this building, that was kind of a plan.

02:09:02.000 Right, which is incredible.

02:09:03.000 I mean, it's just beautiful to see.

02:09:05.000 I love it.

02:09:05.000 You've got a clubhouse.

02:09:06.000 It's a fun clubhouse.

02:09:07.000 Like an honest-to-God, grown-up dude clubhouse.

02:09:09.000 Yeah.

02:09:09.000 It feels good in this place.

02:09:11.000 It's got good memories.

02:09:12.000 It's got a good feel to it.

02:09:13.000 But through your show, you've introduced – I would say mainly the comedians has been the best.

02:09:21.000 And thank God for Netflix and all this stuff that's happening.

02:09:24.000 It's just – this is kind of the nucleus of it all.

02:09:27.000 And it's a lot – it's interesting to be able to see and watch and this – I think comedians change the world when they're good at it and when they care, and I'm seeing more and more of it, and I like it.

02:09:39.000 Maybe time for a little bit of pushback here and there.

02:09:42.000 Yeah, I think what it is is we have a place where comedians can go and give you...

02:09:51.000 From them to you for the first time.

02:09:54.000 The most you ever had was a moment, if you're a talk show host, where you can address the camera.

02:10:00.000 Do you remember there was a really powerful moment when...

02:10:03.000 What's his name?

02:10:06.000 The English guy that just... 0.51

02:10:07.000 Craig...

02:10:08.000 Craig Daniels?

02:10:10.000 Craig...

02:10:11.000 Craig first.

02:10:11.000 Thank you.

02:10:12.000 Sorry.

02:10:12.000 He's not English, is he?

02:10:13.000 Is he Irish?

02:10:14.000 I think he's Scottish.

02:10:15.000 Scottish.

02:10:16.000 Sorry, Craig.

02:10:16.000 I like him a lot.

02:10:17.000 But he had this moment where he was talking about Britney Spears.

02:10:19.000 Where he looked at the camera and he said, it was about her being crazy when she shaved her head.

02:10:25.000 And they're like, what are you doing?

02:10:26.000 What are we doing?

02:10:27.000 Why are we following this girl?

02:10:28.000 This poor girl is losing her mind. 1.00

02:10:29.000 Yeah. 0.96

02:10:30.000 Hounding her.

02:10:31.000 Hounding her. 0.50

02:10:31.000 Leave her alone. 0.50

02:10:32.000 Mm-hmm.

02:10:32.000 Yeah, and that really is what it is.

02:10:34.000 Once someone like that becomes a topic and it's a subject that they can get clicks on and views and ratings, they'll just hound that poor girl. 1.00

02:10:42.000 A comedian got Bill Cosby in jail.

02:10:45.000 That's right.

02:10:47.000 Yeah, that's right.

02:10:48.000 Hannibal.

02:10:49.000 Yeah, it's...

02:10:50.000 Talk about being canceled.

02:10:53.000 I know, right?

02:10:53.000 It's next level canceled.

02:10:54.000 Yeah.

02:10:55.000 And he deserved that, man.

02:10:56.000 He deserved every minute of it.

02:10:57.000 It's very strange, right?

02:10:58.000 He's the strangest of all of them.

02:11:00.000 When I was a kid, we would listen to his album where he talked about God talking to Noah, the conversation between God and Noah.

02:11:08.000 It's hilarious.

02:11:09.000 Hilarious work.

02:11:11.000 It was great.

02:11:12.000 Great comedy.

02:11:13.000 It's hard to imagine that the whole time he was doing that.

02:11:19.000 Spooky.

02:11:20.000 It's hard to imagine how I'm going to drive back to the airport.

02:11:23.000 In a straight line, like a wizard.

02:11:26.000 Like a wizard, dude.

02:11:27.000 You have no problem.

02:11:28.000 You can hang out here for a while, too, and sober up.

02:11:30.000 Good.

02:11:32.000 Good.

02:11:33.000 You could go work out.

02:11:35.000 It's a gym.

02:11:36.000 Turn the music on, you can dance.

02:11:38.000 How about that sauna, though?

02:11:39.000 I like that.

02:11:39.000 Oh, you can get it in the sauna?

02:11:40.000 Sure.

02:11:41.000 We'll set that up.

02:11:41.000 No, I'm good.

02:11:42.000 That's great, man.

02:11:42.000 Yeah.

02:11:43.000 Do you sauna at all?

02:11:44.000 No.

02:11:44.000 I love it.

02:11:45.000 I have.

02:11:46.000 I used to have a place...

02:11:47.000 In Amsterdam, I had a place with a sauna in the house.

02:11:49.000 That was nice.

02:11:49.000 It's so undeniably good for you.

02:11:51.000 If you do it all the time...

02:11:52.000 But then I'd be smoking weed in the sauna.

02:11:54.000 Oh, don't do that.

02:11:55.000 No, it was very...

02:11:55.000 Well, you could smoke weed and then get in there.

02:11:57.000 That's not a problem.

02:11:59.000 That's probably good.

02:12:00.000 I liked it a lot.

02:12:02.000 It's a good experience.

02:12:02.000 Have you done the float tank?

02:12:03.000 I did that once.

02:12:04.000 I did not like that at all.

02:12:06.000 Was it claustrophobic?

02:12:07.000 No.

02:12:08.000 No, I just was so...

02:12:09.000 I couldn't get into any kind of zone or vibe.

02:12:13.000 I just kept like, I'm laying here in lukewarm water.

02:12:17.000 I'm like, I'm not hearing anything.

02:12:18.000 I was like, no.

02:12:20.000 Am I liking this?

02:12:21.000 It's getting a little colder.

02:12:22.000 Oh, it's getting warmer.

02:12:23.000 So I couldn't...

02:12:25.000 Well, that is a real issue.

02:12:26.000 If it's not temperature controlled correctly and you feel cold, it'll fuck up your experience.

02:12:31.000 You really want it in that perfect sweet zone.

02:12:34.000 But when you can get there, it's really all about whether or not you know how to concentrate on breathing.

02:12:40.000 If you can just concentrate on breathing.

02:12:42.000 I've done breath work.

02:12:43.000 Yeah.

02:12:43.000 That was very interesting.

02:12:44.000 It's not a difficult formula that I employ, but I'll tell you guys if you listen, if you also float.

02:12:50.000 When I get in there, I touch the sides to center myself so that I don't bounce against anything and distract myself because I'm floating, you know, and you drift into the wall sometimes.

02:12:59.000 So I wait until the ripples die down because when you climb in, there's going to be like a little bit of ripplage, right?

02:13:04.000 And then when you lay down, once the water gets still, then I let my hands go.

02:13:08.000 And then I just think about breathing.

02:13:11.000 And I'm not a wizard at this, right?

02:13:14.000 It goes in and out.

02:13:15.000 I think about, ah, I forgot to call that guy.

02:13:17.000 Oh, I've got to send that email.

02:13:18.000 Oh, I've got to put that on my calendar.

02:13:21.000 I keep forgetting.

02:13:22.000 And then if I just stay vigilant and make sure I go, okay, okay, get back on the road.

02:13:27.000 And the road is thinking only of the breathing.

02:13:30.000 Only of the in and the out.

02:13:32.000 And the in and the out.

02:13:33.000 I just, I visualize air coming in and out of my lungs and just that alone while lying in the tank will put me in a trance.

02:13:40.000 And it takes a while.

02:13:41.000 But I can do it quicker because I've done it for years.

02:13:45.000 Because it's like the tank's a normal thing.

02:13:46.000 I get in and I'm like, ah.

02:13:48.000 The most I always think is I should do this more often.

02:13:50.000 That's what I usually think.

02:13:52.000 But I can get in a trance by just thinking about the breathing.

02:13:55.000 Yeah.

02:13:55.000 Tina and I did a breathwork clinic, I forget what it was called, but it was like this tribal beat, and you had to continue to breathe to the beat, and one person would be watching you, and then you team up.

02:14:07.000 We didn't team up together, but it was just like that.

02:14:10.000 And then this beat is going, and then you do the breathwork, and then all of a sudden you go into a trance, and it's different for everybody.

02:14:16.000 And I could fly, and that was my, and for just like 30 minutes, I'm just flying.

02:14:20.000 And yet, right after you had to draw what you were doing, I mean, it's one of these...

02:14:25.000 I'm a little hippie, too.

02:14:27.000 I like this stuff.

02:14:28.000 It's good.

02:14:29.000 So you draw it, and then I just drew it as I was flying.

02:14:32.000 But like this.

02:14:33.000 One of these moves.

02:14:34.000 Like a jetpack man.

02:14:35.000 Kind of.

02:14:35.000 Like Iron Man.

02:14:36.000 But I could just...

02:14:37.000 Because I'm a pilot, so I knew...

02:14:39.000 How to shoot. 1.00

02:14:40.000 Yeah, I was like, oh, fuck, this is all I need. 1.00

02:14:42.000 Wow. 0.99

02:14:43.000 And, you know, people had different experiences.

02:14:45.000 One woman who I was partnering with, her turn... 1.00

02:14:48.000 And she just, and they had told me that she could get a little funky, and she just kind of got out of it and picked up a plastic bat next to her, which I had seen, but she starts hammering the pillow, like, really? 0.91

02:15:00.000 Oh, my God.

02:15:03.000 And it's just, you know, but fantastic.

02:15:05.000 You come out of it, you're like, wow, I mean, that was just a great experience. 1.00

02:15:08.000 I bet that bitch does that shit at Starbucks, too. 1.00

02:15:11.000 I bet she's just wild, just looking for an excuse. 1.00

02:15:14.000 She goes to the yoga class, starts punching the walls.

02:15:17.000 Oh, this pose!

02:15:19.000 Maybe.

02:15:20.000 Maybe.

02:15:22.000 But holotropic breathing, I think they call that.

02:15:25.000 That's probably what it was.

02:15:27.000 I mean, I know that is one of them.

02:15:29.000 I don't know. 0.99

02:15:29.000 Maybe there's other methods that they do it, but the people that do it say it gets you high as fuck. 0.99

02:15:33.000 See, if we were live, then Tina would text me now. 1.00

02:15:35.000 She's like, she knows all that shit. 1.00

02:15:38.000 I think Aubrey's done that shit. 1.00

02:15:40.000 I think it's holotropic breathing, right? 1.00

02:15:42.000 Is that the only psychedelic breathing?

02:15:44.000 There is for sure a method that people study.

02:15:47.000 Oh, you can do so much with your breathing.

02:15:48.000 You can do all kinds of crazy things. 0.89

02:15:50.000 Have you ever seen those yoga dudes who can suck their stomach in and do that? 1.00

02:15:55.000 The little thing where their stomach goes in and to the side and to the side. 0.96

02:15:59.000 I don't find it particularly attractive.

02:16:01.000 It's very impressive.

02:16:04.000 Yeah, I'm like, I've never really understood it.

02:16:07.000 Like, what are you doing?

02:16:07.000 I didn't know it was an exercise.

02:16:08.000 I just thought it was showing off. 0.99

02:16:10.000 I don't know what the fuck they're doing. 0.87

02:16:12.000 Because even though it's impressive, I've never attempted it. 0.99

02:16:15.000 It's one of those things where I look and I go, yeah, look at that.

02:16:17.000 Yeah.

02:16:19.000 It's impressive, but...

02:16:20.000 But to someone who can actually do that...

02:16:22.000 Is it a thing?

02:16:24.000 I don't know what they're doing.

02:16:25.000 I have no idea, but there was this famous jiu-jitsu guy named Hicks and Gracie, and he was famous for it.

02:16:31.000 He was one of the first guys to incorporate yoga into martial arts, like really seriously, and he's the greatest Gracie of all time, right?

02:16:37.000 And he would lay there. 0.95

02:16:38.000 There's this video from this movie, Choke, where he's sitting there in a lotus position, and he's doing this crazy shit with his stomach, and you can't even believe it's real. 0.99

02:16:49.000 Watch this. 0.99

02:16:49.000 Look at this. 0.99

02:16:50.000 Watch this.

02:16:51.000 This is Hickson.

02:16:53.000 He would do this intense breathing.

02:16:55.000 But then, see, he would move his stomach.

02:16:58.000 This is from the movie Choke.

02:17:00.000 But watch what he could do with his stomach.

02:17:02.000 Whoa! 0.71

02:17:03.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:17:03.000 Yeah, look.

02:17:04.000 Look at this crazy shit where he could pull it to the left and to the right. 1.00

02:17:08.000 He has ultimate control over his breath. 0.99

02:17:11.000 And that strength and control over his breath from all these breathing exercises that he did...

02:17:17.000 It was a big part of how he could fight and how his jiu-jitsu was so strong.

02:17:24.000 He had incredible breath control.

02:17:26.000 He had incredible body control too.

02:17:28.000 When you say why his jiu-jitsu was so strong, what does that mean exactly?

02:17:31.000 He was the most dominant of the most dominant family in the history of jiu-jitsu.

02:17:36.000 So his fighting skills in jiu-jitsu?

02:17:38.000 Okay.

02:17:38.000 He's a legend.

02:17:40.000 There's very few universal legends.

02:17:43.000 I should come during one of your fighter talk things.

02:17:45.000 I would learn a lot.

02:17:46.000 Yeah, it's interesting.

02:17:47.000 This guy's one of the most interesting.

02:17:50.000 He's one of the most interesting because his family in Brazil was famous for creating this form of jiu-jitsu.

02:17:57.000 Brazilian jiu-jitsu that went on to win the Ultimate Fighting Championship and really revolutionized martial arts, right?

02:18:02.000 But he was the champion of the family.

02:18:04.000 And not just by a small margin.

02:18:07.000 By a large, universally agreed-upon margin.

02:18:10.000 Where all of them would go, Hickson's the king.

02:18:12.000 Like, no one's even close.

02:18:13.000 Everyone says that.

02:18:14.000 He would get some of the best black belts in the world, like a hundred of them in a room, and he would just, one after the other, tap them out. 1.00

02:18:22.000 One after the other.

02:18:22.000 Is he still fighting?

02:18:23.000 No, he's an older man now, and he teaches, and I know he still trains, and he's involved in these big seminars because his opinion is very, very respected because of his intense level of jiu-jitsu that he was able to achieve, but he literally had peaked.

02:18:37.000 He hit past everyone.

02:18:39.000 He figured something out to get way above everyone, and I think that had a lot to do with it.

02:18:44.000 I think the yoga and the mindset and the meditation, his mind was strong.

02:18:49.000 And then because of the yoga, his body was really flexible and really well-conditioned and contort in these amazing ways to achieve submissions.

02:18:58.000 And then also his jiu-jitsu was so sharp.

02:19:01.000 Like his family created it, and everything was polished.

02:19:05.000 Everyone knew everything, the correct defense, the correct offense, where you never make mistakes, can't be in this position, always be here, abandon that and go to this.

02:19:15.000 You have plan B, C, D, and you keep going with him.

02:19:17.000 True master.

02:19:18.000 He's running these trains of techniques on people.

02:19:22.000 It's special to watch.

02:19:24.000 Anyone else like him?

02:19:25.000 There's a bunch of guys now. 1.00

02:19:26.000 There's a bunch of fucking assassins now. 0.98

02:19:29.000 But in his day, there's no one person that stands out above everyone. 0.99

02:19:35.000 There's this kid, Gordon Ryan, who's this really elite submission artist who taps everybody in competition.

02:19:41.000 I'm sorry, what does submission artist mean?

02:19:44.000 Well, there's jujitsu with a gi, which is just jujitsu rules.

02:19:51.000 They vary depending upon the organization, but you wear the gi, and you can use the gi.

02:19:55.000 You can choke people with the gi.

02:19:56.000 The gi is your dress?

02:19:57.000 Yes, the white kimono or the blue one.

02:20:00.000 The guy from the commercial says, no, this is my business gi.

02:20:04.000 Yes, right.

02:20:06.000 But even a jacket, you know, like you're using clothes, right?

02:20:09.000 The idea is like if you got in a fight with someone who's...

02:20:11.000 Like judo.

02:20:11.000 Yes, exactly.

02:20:13.000 It actually comes from part of judo called niwaza, which is the ground fight.

02:20:17.000 I did a little judo as a kid.

02:20:18.000 Okay, perfect.

02:20:19.000 Very little.

02:20:19.000 Jiu-jitsu came out of judo.

02:20:21.000 Judo was the original Japanese jiu-jitsu, and then it became Brazilian jiu-jitsu when the Brazilians legitimately changed it and altered it.

02:20:28.000 And then there's submission grappling.

02:20:29.000 Submission grappling, there's no gi.

02:20:31.000 So most of the time, guys wear rash guards, like skin tight, like surfer rash guards, those kind of things.

02:20:36.000 Yeah, okay.

02:20:36.000 Or skin tight shorts.

02:20:39.000 Can't really hold on to it.

02:20:41.000 Exactly.

02:20:41.000 And you can't grab clothes.

02:20:43.000 It's like wrestling.

02:20:45.000 But it's wrestling with chokes and arm bars. 1.00

02:20:48.000 And in that world, there's a guy named Gordon Ryan, who's a real prodigy.

02:20:51.000 And his trainer is considered to be one of the all-time great trainers.

02:20:56.000 His name is John Donaher.

02:20:57.000 And they come from Henzo Gracie's Academy in New York City, which is one of the greatest jiu-jitsu schools, like universally recognized ever.

02:21:04.000 And it's this giant gym in Manhattan that is just...

02:21:08.000 So many killers have come out of this one place.

02:21:11.000 So that kid is probably the top of the food chain today out of everybody.

02:21:15.000 But even his dominance is probably slightly different from Hickson's.

02:21:20.000 Because Hickson, there was no losses.

02:21:23.000 There was no draws.

02:21:25.000 He was just dominating people.

02:21:27.000 Just everyone got dominated. 1.00

02:21:28.000 And everybody came out of it going, what the fuck? 1.00

02:21:30.000 He just ran through everybody. 0.99

02:21:33.000 Well, how did it end for him?

02:21:34.000 What was his last...

02:21:34.000 Hickson?

02:21:35.000 Did he have a big exit?

02:21:37.000 No.

02:21:37.000 Well, he had a giant fight against this very dangerous guy in Japan in 2000. And that was an MMA fight.

02:21:43.000 And he beat his ass. 1.00

02:21:44.000 And so that's a nice exit. 1.00

02:21:45.000 That's nice.

02:21:45.000 Yeah, he won out on top.

02:21:47.000 That's nice.

02:21:47.000 Nobody ever beat him in a mixed martial arts fight.

02:21:49.000 He just really didn't fight a lot of the...

02:21:51.000 There was a lot of opportunities for different people that he could have fought, but he just didn't want to.

02:21:56.000 Didn't feel like it.

02:21:57.000 He's just a free spirit... 0.98

02:22:00.000 But my point, I don't know what the fuck my point was. 0.94

02:22:02.000 Well, here's a question. 0.98

02:22:03.000 The stomach thing, that's what it was?

02:22:05.000 It started out with breathing, that's what it was.

02:22:07.000 Do you think it's a gene, or is it the environment that I have absolutely no interest in?

02:22:15.000 In fighting of any kind.

02:22:17.000 I don't watch it.

02:22:18.000 I saw the thrill in Manila.

02:22:20.000 My dad got me up in the middle of the night when we were living overseas to see it.

02:22:23.000 I appreciated that as a world event.

02:22:29.000 It's just never...

02:22:30.000 What is it?

02:22:33.000 Some people...

02:22:34.000 I just don't understand it.

02:22:35.000 I don't like it.

02:22:36.000 I think it's cool that you don't understand it.

02:22:39.000 Understand it is probably... 0.99

02:22:40.000 There's nothing in me that says, Oh yeah, I want to see the guy beat the other guy's ass. 0.99

02:22:43.000 Yeah, that should be perfect, you know, in a perfect world. 0.99

02:22:48.000 Everybody should be like that.

02:22:51.000 Okay, well, like legitimately, I respect it.

02:22:54.000 I like where you're coming from.

02:22:58.000 I'm fascinated.

02:22:59.000 I'm very interested.

02:23:00.000 As I said, I did a little judo.

02:23:02.000 That was mainly because I was getting picked on at school.

02:23:04.000 My dad said, here, going to judo.

02:23:06.000 And so I learned how to fall and how to dive over five kids and then roll and get up again.

02:23:12.000 After that, I got kind of a little, I didn't like it.

02:23:15.000 I don't know, I didn't like it.

02:23:16.000 And then I went fencing.

02:23:17.000 I was actually very good at fencing.

02:23:19.000 I like that a lot.

02:23:20.000 Martial arts for competition, it's a strange pursuit.

02:23:23.000 And professionally for competition, it's an even stranger pursuit.

02:23:27.000 Originally, the martial artist gets into martial arts because they want to better themselves.

02:23:31.000 They want to be better at fighting.

02:23:32.000 They want to have confidence.

02:23:33.000 They want to be able to defend themselves.

02:23:35.000 Well, just like you want guns to be able to defend yourself.

02:23:38.000 There's a lot of people that want to learn how to physically defend themselves against another man.

02:23:42.000 Right, right, right.

02:23:42.000 I've always said this.

02:23:44.000 Like, people say, like, why do you do it?

02:23:45.000 Why do you work out?

02:23:46.000 I mean, first, health and sanity first.

02:23:51.000 But second, I want to be the one who decides.

02:23:54.000 If we're in an altercation and you decide you're some bully and you run up on me and you think you're just going to hit me...

02:24:02.000 I want to be the one who decides who goes to the hospital. 0.76

02:24:04.000 Not you.

02:24:05.000 I don't want your mercy.

02:24:06.000 I think I grew up so sheltered.

02:24:07.000 I never was really ever threatened, really, in any way.

02:24:10.000 Every day, all around the world, it happens to somebody.

02:24:14.000 And if you're lucky, you live your whole life by going into the right places and never get punched.

02:24:19.000 It never gets just stolen, where somebody just comes up to you and just starts smacking you around, and you can't defend yourself. 0.99

02:24:26.000 Because it fucking happens. 0.98

02:24:27.000 People do it to people. 1.00

02:24:28.000 People are awful.

02:24:30.000 Most people are not. 0.98

02:24:32.000 The vast majority are not. 1.00

02:24:34.000 But you do that shit to the wrong guy. 1.00

02:24:37.000 And you didn't know better. 1.00

02:24:39.000 And you did that to Boss Rutten, who's a former UFC heavyweight champion.

02:24:43.000 He's one of the nicest guys ever.

02:24:44.000 You might get confused and think, you don't know who he is.

02:24:48.000 Maybe you think you're going to bully him. 1.00

02:24:49.000 Maybe you think you're going to fuck with him. 1.00

02:24:51.000 Make him uncomfortable. 1.00

02:24:52.000 And next thing you know, you wake up in the hospital.

02:24:54.000 I think...

02:24:54.000 As I'm just reflecting here, I have a childhood memory, which may be where this started for me.

02:25:00.000 I remember, and I went, I entered Dutch school in fifth grade, speaking almost no Dutch. 0.95

02:25:05.000 It was kind of a fucked up situation.

02:25:08.000 So, but say around sixth grade, and I was learning a little bit on the street and around, but I definitely was not... 0.95

02:25:16.000 Not really 100% fluent.

02:25:18.000 And I can't remember what it was.

02:25:20.000 It was in the gym in the locker room.

02:25:23.000 And some kid said something.

02:25:25.000 And he was much smaller than I was.

02:25:26.000 And I said something like, well, I can take care of you, little man.

02:25:30.000 And it probably...

02:25:31.000 I shouldn't have said it in the first place.

02:25:34.000 But within like a nanosecond...

02:25:36.000 And I'm like, you know, he's put me down, you know, hit me on the nose. 1.00

02:25:42.000 And I'm like, oh, fuck me. 0.99

02:25:46.000 And I think that was the moment where I'm like, I should definitely be careful what I say and to who I say it, and I should watch my mouth. 0.99

02:25:54.000 But maybe that skewed me from that moment.

02:25:56.000 Oh, for sure that's it.

02:25:57.000 For sure that's it.

02:25:59.000 Yeah, so I was like, how old are you, 12, something like that.

02:26:01.000 Oh man, for sure.

02:26:02.000 That's going to leave a stain in your consciousness.

02:26:05.000 Oh, thank you for bringing this up.

02:26:06.000 No, listen, man.

02:26:07.000 This is like therapy here.

02:26:08.000 This is great.

02:26:09.000 Right.

02:26:09.000 I mean, I think everybody needs to know why things bother them.

02:26:13.000 Why things like conflict bother them.

02:26:15.000 Is this, I don't know, as I'm old, you're 50?

02:26:18.000 52. Really?

02:26:19.000 Yeah.

02:26:20.000 So we're the same age.

02:26:21.000 Basically. 1.00

02:26:22.000 Do you have more of those moments now that you think, oh, shit. 0.99

02:26:27.000 That's what happened then. 0.99

02:26:28.000 That's why I'm having those.

02:26:30.000 Which mean?

02:26:31.000 Where just you're doing something and you think back to a moment like I just had here.

02:26:36.000 Hey, that happened.

02:26:37.000 Maybe that just influenced me now today, how I respond to a certain situation.

02:26:41.000 I'm having more of those.

02:26:42.000 My wife is having that too.

02:26:43.000 That's smart.

02:26:44.000 I like it a lot.

02:26:45.000 It's very interesting.

02:26:46.000 I think, oh God, if I only known this 20 years ago.

02:26:50.000 Yeah, the origin of your behavior is an interesting thing.

02:26:53.000 The origin of your ideas and where you are now.

02:26:57.000 You know, just the way we choose to behave about things is very strange, but anybody doing something like that to you when you're that age must have been an insanely traumatic experience.

02:27:11.000 You wouldn't want to watch a sport version of that.

02:27:12.000 I didn't even tell my parents about it.

02:27:13.000 I didn't tell my parents about it.

02:27:14.000 I was so ashamed.

02:27:17.000 It's hard.

02:27:19.000 The solution to that, as strange as it sounds, is everybody know how to fight.

02:27:25.000 You get into way less fights.

02:27:27.000 It sounds crazy.

02:27:28.000 It's right on.

02:27:29.000 I think it should be taught.

02:27:31.000 I think it should be taught just for peace.

02:27:33.000 Whereas we seem to be going kind of the opposite direction with the general cultural education of young men, at least in the United States.

02:27:43.000 I don't know if it's the same everywhere.

02:27:45.000 I think it may be kind of...

02:27:47.000 Some of the nicest people I know are martial arts people because they have their ego in a good place in comparison to the general population.

02:27:56.000 They've been humbled in training.

02:27:57.000 Everybody gets humbled in training.

02:27:58.000 It's so good for you.

02:27:59.000 It really is.

02:28:00.000 And it leaves you calm.

02:28:02.000 You get exercise in and you get some sort of weird therapy too when you're a man.

02:28:08.000 And just knowing that you aren't helpless.

02:28:12.000 I've seen people that are helpless.

02:28:14.000 It's very sad.

02:28:15.000 I think it comes from anything you learn, like learning how to fly.

02:28:20.000 You're literally helpless if you're doing it wrong.

02:28:23.000 And an instructor, a good instructor, will help you get into situations that you have to get out of.

02:28:29.000 And that same feeling arrives.

02:28:31.000 I think that's a part of just the learning process.

02:28:35.000 I should probably try it.

02:28:37.000 You'd love it.

02:28:37.000 Yeah.

02:28:38.000 What should I try?

02:28:40.000 Tina's laughing her ass off like, oh yeah, here he goes.

02:28:42.000 We'll talk after this and I'll find a good spot where you could go and learn.

02:28:46.000 You would get a kick out of just the learning, just like you get a kick out of learning the dancing.

02:28:50.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:28:51.000 Especially if you take something like Muay Thai.

02:28:53.000 Muay Thai is really fun.

02:28:55.000 I did a documentary in Thailand.

02:28:57.000 Oh, did you really?

02:28:58.000 Yeah, it was really cool.

02:28:58.000 Did you see Fights Live?

02:28:59.000 Oh, yeah.

02:28:59.000 Yeah.

02:29:00.000 It's wild, right? 0.99

02:29:00.000 I love the rhythm of the music and it's all cute, clued into how they do their shit. 0.99

02:29:05.000 Yeah, I went up to the Burmese border, the Golden Triangle, stayed with the Hill Tribe. 1.00

02:29:10.000 Whoa.

02:29:10.000 I've done a lot of crazy stuff, documentaries.

02:29:13.000 What is that?

02:29:14.000 How can someone watch that?

02:29:17.000 It's called Veronica Goes, and Veronica was the organization that I worked for in the Netherlands, the broadcast company.

02:29:24.000 Is it available online?

02:29:25.000 Can someone find it?

02:29:26.000 You can probably find bits of it on YouTube.

02:29:27.000 Veronica Goes Asia, and so it was Thailand.

02:29:30.000 I mean, we did a number of things.

02:29:31.000 We went into a brothel, you know, where the girls have all the numbers, and we filmed there.

02:29:36.000 Yeah.

02:29:38.000 Oh, man.

02:29:38.000 I remember going to the Longnecks, you know, where they have all the rings on.

02:29:42.000 And I was thinking, oh, this is going to be great.

02:29:43.000 We're going to see the Longnecks four and a half hours.

02:29:46.000 First, you get from Chiang Mai to Chiang Rai up in the north.

02:29:49.000 Then a four and a half hour, five hour bus drive.

02:29:52.000 We still had crews, right?

02:29:53.000 So we're ten people with producers and everything.

02:29:56.000 And I'm like, it's got to be around here.

02:29:59.000 And there's like a big sign, almost in neon.

02:30:01.000 Long next, this way! 1.00

02:30:02.000 I'm like, it's a fucking tourist trap. 1.00

02:30:05.000 It really is. 0.99

02:30:06.000 But then we went up to the Hill Tribe.

02:30:09.000 I'm sure that they've done it before, had crews over.

02:30:12.000 But it's only women, because all the men are in the opium hut, just completely stoned, smoking opium. 0.98

02:30:17.000 The women run the whole deal. 1.00

02:30:19.000 And they chew the betel nut root with a white paste in it, some kind of cocoa paste.

02:30:27.000 And so, of course, for the documentary, I tried that.

02:30:30.000 And their mouths are all red.

02:30:32.000 Their teeth get completely red from the betel nut.

02:30:35.000 Oh my god. 1.00

02:30:36.000 And I was like, oh shit. 1.00

02:30:38.000 And it's like an elevator. 0.99

02:30:39.000 You know how DMT can be a little bit of an elevator vibe? 0.97

02:30:42.000 Guys, I'm fucking hammered. 0.98

02:30:45.000 Spit out all the rest of it. 0.99

02:30:47.000 And it stayed with me for a good 45 minutes.

02:30:50.000 What's the sensation like?

02:30:54.000 A bit DMT-y, but very, very light version of it.

02:30:57.000 So it's a psychedelic.

02:30:58.000 I guess so.

02:31:00.000 It felt kind of clear.

02:31:02.000 Like, oh, this is kind of interesting, but all right, I'm pretty high.

02:31:07.000 I don't know.

02:31:07.000 I haven't done a lot of different drugs, so I'm not quite sure.

02:31:10.000 It was interesting, but I don't like the red teeth.

02:31:13.000 It's kind of awkward socially.

02:31:15.000 Yeah, it's a turn-off.

02:31:16.000 People know you're a...

02:31:17.000 What is it?

02:31:17.000 What's the name of the thing?

02:31:18.000 Beetle root nut?

02:31:19.000 Beetle root nut?

02:31:20.000 And cocoa paste?

02:31:22.000 It's probably coke and some red stuff.

02:31:25.000 Who the hell knows what it is?

02:31:26.000 Beetle nut root.

02:31:27.000 What's in that jazz, Jamie?

02:31:29.000 Can we find out?

02:31:29.000 You gotta see the women.

02:31:30.000 You gotta see their red...

02:31:33.000 What of me?

02:31:34.000 I think so.

02:31:36.000 It's Veronica Goes America, Asia, and Caribbean.

02:31:38.000 It's like an 11-minute clip on YouTube.

02:31:40.000 Oh, yeah.

02:31:41.000 It's got you eating the beetles.

02:31:43.000 So then we also had to drink cobra blood, you know, all this stuff.

02:31:46.000 Yeah, it's kind of sad because first they pissed the cobra off.

02:31:49.000 And they get the venom.

02:31:52.000 And this is in the restaurant.

02:31:53.000 They get the venom out of his sacks, and then they slit them open and bleed it into a glass of alcohol. 0.54

02:31:59.000 And it's supposed to be very potent.

02:32:02.000 Is that me?

02:32:03.000 No, that's not you.

02:32:03.000 No, but this guy's got the teeth of someone who eats that.

02:32:07.000 He looks very happy.

02:32:09.000 Look at that guy on the far right.

02:32:12.000 Anyway.

02:32:12.000 Look at that one.

02:32:13.000 Who the hell knows? 0.97

02:32:13.000 That's a lady. 0.97

02:32:14.000 Look at her. 1.00

02:32:14.000 Tripping balls. 1.00

02:32:15.000 Happy as fuck. 1.00

02:32:16.000 Anyway, but we also shot a lot of Muay Thai. 1.00

02:32:19.000 Oh.

02:32:19.000 So we went to the small village fights.

02:32:24.000 Just this makeshift ring in the middle of the jungle and all these people and then the music.

02:32:31.000 That would be something that would be good for you to learn.

02:32:34.000 Magical.

02:32:35.000 You would enjoy it, I think.

02:32:36.000 A lot of twisty and kicky stuff.

02:32:38.000 Yeah.

02:32:38.000 Twisty and kicky stuff that will compliment.

02:32:40.000 You know how to dance and move your legs around.

02:32:42.000 Oh, I'm an excellent dancer.

02:32:44.000 I bet you are.

02:32:45.000 I've heard you took lessons.

02:32:47.000 It'd be a fun thing to learn.

02:32:48.000 It was actually my wedding video.

02:32:49.000 So we got married in May.

02:32:51.000 And these days, everyone has an iPhone, so there's just video everywhere.

02:32:56.000 And I look at myself dancing, and I'm like...

02:32:59.000 Oh my god.

02:33:00.000 This has to stop.

02:33:02.000 This video has to be eliminated.

02:33:04.000 I am actually that guy.

02:33:06.000 I'm so bad.

02:33:08.000 Let's at least learn to dance some proper dances together because then I can keep my posture up, my frame.

02:33:13.000 And then it just became, hey, this is kind of fun.

02:33:15.000 We enjoy doing this with each other.

02:33:17.000 Some people go golfing.

02:33:18.000 Maybe we'll go dancing.

02:33:20.000 If you watch old Fred Astaire movies, real dancing is very impressive.

02:33:25.000 Oh my god.

02:33:26.000 I love it.

02:33:27.000 It's weird that that went away.

02:33:28.000 Here's a strange thing.

02:33:29.000 How did that get associated with homosexuality?

02:33:33.000 Broadway.

02:33:34.000 And I love Broadway musicals.

02:33:36.000 Right.

02:33:36.000 And I think that's where it became associated.

02:33:39.000 Because a lot of gay guys are in Broadway and they did the musicals.

02:33:42.000 Yeah.

02:33:42.000 But if you think about those Fred Astaire-type days...

02:33:46.000 Manly men were doing that.

02:33:48.000 Yeah, that was a really manly man thing.

02:33:50.000 Gentlemen who could strut, and they danced around.

02:33:53.000 Remember what I told you.

02:33:54.000 Look at this.

02:33:56.000 And of course, we always say Fred Astaire was great, but Ginger Rogers did everything backwards in heels.

02:34:02.000 Right.

02:34:03.000 True, right?

02:34:03.000 Don't underestimate...

02:34:04.000 Well, actually, he's wearing heels, too.

02:34:06.000 Yeah, dance heels. 1.00

02:34:07.000 I think they're tap heels.

02:34:08.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:34:09.000 Her heels are bullshit, though. 1.00

02:34:11.000 But you're right. 1.00

02:34:12.000 At least women back then didn't have stilettos yet. 1.00

02:34:14.000 But that was the days of the crooners.

02:34:15.000 You know, Sinatra and the Rat Pack. 1.00

02:34:17.000 Must be such a pain in the ass. 1.00

02:34:18.000 And when we called women broads and dames. 1.00

02:34:21.000 Some chicks still like that. 1.00

02:34:23.000 Yeah? 1.00

02:34:26.000 Who was the asshole that made women wear those fucking shoes? 1.00

02:34:30.000 Who's the first person that figured out stilettos and high heels you can't even walk in? 1.00

02:34:33.000 Well, you know why they're worn.

02:34:36.000 I mean, the initial idea is to, because of the angle and the pressure, your calves pump up, and that is deemed as more sexually attractive.

02:34:44.000 In fact, I think it's pretty proven to work on men's attraction to women.

02:34:49.000 Red lipstick is also part of the blush you have after orgasm, blush on your cheeks. 0.95

02:34:55.000 All that stuff is sexual, and that's just exploited by a huge industry.

02:34:59.000 Yeah, for sure.

02:35:00.000 It's just where they talk that checks into it.

02:35:03.000 The heel thing, especially.

02:35:05.000 Imagine if men were all... 1.00

02:35:07.000 I love it.

02:35:07.000 Don't you love it?

02:35:08.000 Don't you think it looks fantastic?

02:35:09.000 I think it looks fantastic.

02:35:10.000 I do, but imagine if it went the other way, and if men were the ones who somehow or another by our culture were tricked into wearing stilettos, and the higher the heel, the cooler you looked, the cuter you looked at the club.

02:35:21.000 We have entire swaths of men tricked into putting a noose around their neck every single morning. 0.99

02:35:27.000 There's all kinds of weird shit. 0.99

02:35:28.000 At least that kind of looks cool. 1.00

02:35:30.000 It's a noose!

02:35:31.000 It is a noose.

02:35:32.000 It's a noose.

02:35:32.000 Listen, you're coming from someone who said I wouldn't wear one because I know if I got a hold of someone's tie, I could choke them to death with it.

02:35:39.000 Exactly.

02:35:40.000 Yeah, especially if it's like a sticky tie.

02:35:42.000 And if it's a Windsor knot, it's best.

02:35:44.000 Some people have leather ties. 1.00

02:35:45.000 That shit's preposterous. 1.00

02:35:47.000 What kind of tie? 1.00

02:35:48.000 A leather tie.

02:35:50.000 You literally have a strapper on your neck. 0.94

02:35:53.000 A murder weapon. 0.98

02:35:54.000 You have a belt around your neck.

02:35:56.000 And it's also uncomfortable.

02:35:58.000 Yeah.

02:35:58.000 But it does look cool.

02:36:00.000 There's something about it. 0.98

02:36:01.000 It makes you look like you're fucking serious. 0.94

02:36:03.000 Men get pushed into all kinds of things in commercialism, but that's cool. 0.97

02:36:07.000 But if you listen to someone who really cherishes a good suit talk about it, then you kind of get it.

02:36:13.000 They're in love.

02:36:14.000 Yes.

02:36:15.000 Yeah.

02:36:16.000 Yeah, it's nice.

02:36:19.000 Yeah.

02:36:19.000 Some things.

02:36:21.000 Some people are really into suits.

02:36:23.000 They look at it like an art form.

02:36:27.000 Well, yeah.

02:36:28.000 Guy Ritchie, he had a whole thing.

02:36:31.000 He was telling me about it.

02:36:32.000 He came in with a beautiful suit on. 1.00

02:36:34.000 And I was like, look at that fucking suit, man. 0.99

02:36:37.000 I told him about the tie thing and he just shook his head. 0.99

02:36:40.000 He's a black belt in jiu-jitsu too, though.

02:36:42.000 Okay.

02:36:43.000 So he also makes no sense to do that.

02:36:46.000 Well, it does make sense, but he's like, you're not grabbing my tie.

02:36:51.000 Nope, not going to happen.

02:36:52.000 He's actually a black belt from Henzo Gracie.

02:36:55.000 That guy we were talking about earlier.

02:36:58.000 Yeah, but Guy Ritchie loves suits.

02:37:00.000 But the way he talks about it, like, you love suits, too.

02:37:02.000 You're like, ah, I get it.

02:37:04.000 Like, the way someone talks about, like, a really well-made, handmade shoe that you got from some Italian cobbler, and you're like, oh, I get it.

02:37:12.000 You're wearing, like, a piece of art.

02:37:14.000 Like, this is someone's art.

02:37:15.000 Like, yes, it is a boot, right?

02:37:18.000 But it is also, when you see that thing, it reminds you of Italy.

02:37:21.000 It reminds you of a guy who actually made this.

02:37:23.000 Yeah, like, there's something fucking cool about that.

02:37:26.000 Yeah.

02:37:26.000 That we're definitely getting away from.

02:37:29.000 Someone who can make a watch.

02:37:32.000 If someone makes a watch, they're taking all these things and putting wheels in there. 0.99

02:37:36.000 Or you could just get a fucking G-Shock. 0.98

02:37:39.000 I've had this watch longer than my daughter's been alive. 1.00

02:37:42.000 30 years.

02:37:43.000 It's amazing.

02:37:44.000 And I've tried other watches, but it's a piece of me now.

02:37:48.000 Is it a Rolex?

02:37:49.000 Yeah.

02:37:49.000 It's beautiful.

02:37:50.000 I bought it back in the old MTV music business days. 0.92

02:37:53.000 If you were a douchebag, then you had a diamond bezel around it. 0.59

02:37:56.000 And now this is actually very popular amongst rich women. 0.99

02:38:01.000 They're like a thick watch to floss harder.

02:38:04.000 My former New York banker friend, I go to his dinner party and it's like, oh man, there's like three women here wearing my watch.

02:38:09.000 It's like...

02:38:10.000 Still looks great.

02:38:12.000 I love it.

02:38:12.000 It's such a classic, but the gold just kind of melts into me now and it's a part of me.

02:38:16.000 And it's a reminder of a different time.

02:38:19.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:38:19.000 When this shit mattered, now I really don't care. 0.99

02:38:22.000 But it's beautiful. 0.99

02:38:23.000 It's a cool thing to have.

02:38:24.000 It's got a lot of sentimentality, right?

02:38:26.000 Yeah.

02:38:26.000 If you go back to the origin of wristwatches, it's amazing how long they've been around.

02:38:30.000 Pocket watches. 1.00

02:38:31.000 These motherfuckers figured out how to do that shit hundreds of years ago. 1.00

02:38:35.000 When did they figure out a pocket watch? 1.00

02:38:37.000 What was the year?

02:38:39.000 Because that was the first one.

02:38:40.000 You get it on a chain, you pull it up, and I guess you had to wind it.

02:38:43.000 But the fact that it worked... 0.96

02:38:45.000 Like, they put a bunch of fucking gears together in this thing that you carried around everywhere, and it kept time. 0.98

02:38:50.000 When both my grandparents died, they died very close to each other. 0.98

02:38:54.000 16th century. 1.00

02:38:55.000 Holy shit. 1.00

02:38:56.000 Is that a Hamilton? 0.99

02:38:58.000 1510. I can't even see it.

02:38:59.000 In Nuremberg, Germany.

02:39:01.000 Yeah.

02:39:02.000 Well, it was in...

02:39:02.000 There you go.

02:39:03.000 It's a Peter Henlein.

02:39:05.000 Henlein?

02:39:06.000 Henlein.

02:39:07.000 H-E-N-L-E-I-N. And he created the first pocket watch in 1510. According to Wikipedia.

02:39:16.000 The Italians were producing clocks small enough to be worn on the person by the earliest 16th century.

02:39:21.000 It'd be weird wearing like a necklace clock.

02:39:23.000 Like Flava Flav.

02:39:25.000 Yeah, I guess.

02:39:25.000 It should be just like Flava Flav.

02:39:27.000 Do you believe that guy is 60 years old and he's still wearing the clock around his neck?

02:39:31.000 He wants to know what time it is.

02:39:33.000 He's very serious about that.

02:39:34.000 I remember those guys back at MTV. They were nuts. 0.98

02:39:37.000 They were in the street jumping around, Flava Flav, just doing his thing with the clock. 0.83

02:39:41.000 Like, wow, man, that's still your gig.

02:39:44.000 You were talking about Mark Wahlberg the other day.

02:39:47.000 And, you know, I used to tour with him.

02:39:49.000 I had a syndicated radio show.

02:39:51.000 And the stations would put it on if I came and did their summer jam or, you know, B-59 all summer long.

02:40:00.000 MTV's Adam Curry.

02:40:01.000 And then they had Marky Mark and the Funky Bunch, Sisters with Voices.

02:40:07.000 Sometimes you'd be 40. It would be cool if they were there.

02:40:10.000 So every weekend I'd go off to some bad Top 40 radio station around the country.

02:40:14.000 And that was what Greg Lawley put together, my buddy in Austin.

02:40:18.000 He and I did that.

02:40:19.000 And he was promoting all the artists.

02:40:21.000 And so Marky Mark and the Funky Bunch, he was just, like you said, a Calvin Klein underwear model.

02:40:26.000 Cool guy.

02:40:27.000 Nice.

02:40:28.000 He seemed to be calm.

02:40:29.000 Didn't cause a ruckus on the road or anything. 0.95

02:40:31.000 And we stayed at some pretty shitty places.

02:40:34.000 And all of a sudden, he's like, Mr. Hollywood. 0.79

02:40:36.000 And doing well at it.

02:40:37.000 I like it.

02:40:38.000 And never stopped.

02:40:39.000 No.

02:40:40.000 Like, you started doing well in, like, what, in the 80s?

02:40:43.000 Yeah.

02:40:44.000 It's like Will Smith.

02:40:46.000 He invented himself, too.

02:40:48.000 We did Sega Genesis launch parties together.

02:40:51.000 Yeah, he's another one.

02:40:52.000 And he was doing Parents Just Don't Understand.

02:40:54.000 Yeah, I know, right?

02:40:55.000 It was great.

02:40:56.000 Yeah, amazing.

02:40:57.000 That's him.

02:40:58.000 How old was he then?

02:41:00.000 It's like a kid, wasn't he?

02:41:02.000 Yeah, 18. Maybe it was 17. Anyway, he's been around forever and still doing...

02:41:09.000 I mean, the fact that he was able to reinvent himself, too, is a major movie star, too.

02:41:13.000 Yeah.

02:41:13.000 Amazing.

02:41:14.000 Fantastic.

02:41:15.000 Good stories.

02:41:16.000 Yeah, when you remember the birth of the internet, when you remember first getting on it and seeing the expansion, was there ever a moment, when was the moment, I should say, obviously now today we all realize it's out of control and it's just wild.

02:41:30.000 It's a very strange thing that's taking over our lives.

02:41:33.000 And then I want to talk about Neuralink too.

02:41:36.000 I'm sure you know something about that.

02:41:38.000 About Elon Musk's invention, Neuralink.

02:41:41.000 I know a little bit about it.

02:41:43.000 But when you saw it kind of getting away, when was the moment where you were like, this is a very strange thing that's never happened to people before?

02:41:55.000 Well, I had the online part figured out because I ran a bulletin board.

02:42:00.000 You might remember those.

02:42:01.000 You could call in, maybe like five lines, and you go in and do your business and then get out.

02:42:06.000 What year was that?

02:42:07.000 Oh, this has got to be...

02:42:11.000 Early 80s.

02:42:12.000 No, maybe even late 70s.

02:42:14.000 So there's time for innovation there, right?

02:42:17.000 There's big, long stretches where things don't get any better.

02:42:20.000 Well, the speeds got marginally better.

02:42:22.000 People got more phone lines.

02:42:24.000 The computers were able to do more.

02:42:26.000 Then there are also some other things happening.

02:42:28.000 We had Windows.

02:42:30.000 Windows 95 came into play.

02:42:32.000 So now people are in a different world of computing.

02:42:35.000 It used to be DOS and people have WordPerfect and then all of a sudden we have an interface on top of it.

02:42:45.000 We didn't have that.

02:42:46.000 So that started to teach people how to deal with the environment.

02:42:51.000 So that was all there, but the internet itself...

02:42:54.000 It would be 1987, and I logged in.

02:42:59.000 To get on the internet, you had to log in to a dial-up account, launch a PPP session, or SLIP, and then you had to launch the software on your computer, and then you could open a terminal, and you could type things like Telnet, and then a domain name,

02:43:15.000 or even an IP address.

02:43:16.000 You could connect to someone else's thing and kind of look around.

02:43:19.000 It was just all text-based. 0.96

02:43:21.000 But that for me was like, holy shit, you can connect from one to the next. 0.87

02:43:25.000 I understood the hyperlinking. 0.98

02:43:26.000 I understood how powerful that would be.

02:43:29.000 And if I just had a little computer today on my desk, I had a Mac Plus with a gigantic external 20 megabyte SCSI hard drive.

02:43:38.000 20 megabytes!

02:43:39.000 That's crazy.

02:43:40.000 That's an empty Word doc.

02:43:41.000 Yeah.

02:43:41.000 You know, so that big thing like that.

02:43:44.000 I just was like, oh my God, this is going to be it.

02:43:49.000 So the second moment was Andreessen with his HTTP demosaic browser, the web.

02:43:56.000 And then the third moment was Carl Jacob.

02:43:59.000 I think he's an investor, maybe even on the board at Facebook, but he worked at Sun Microsystems at the time.

02:44:06.000 And he contacted me.

02:44:09.000 He said, okay, I see what you're doing.

02:44:11.000 I'm going to send you a computer.

02:44:12.000 He sent me a Sun Voyager, which is like a portable, a luggable, with an LCD color screen.

02:44:19.000 This is now 88, something like that.

02:44:23.000 It was Unix, which was even crazier.

02:44:27.000 So he started to show me stuff, and he actually streamed a song from his workstation in San Francisco to my computer in Montclair, New Jersey, and it played.

02:44:40.000 I had him on the phone here.

02:44:41.000 I heard him start it, and then it came through and it played on my computer.

02:44:46.000 I'd never seen this before or heard it. 0.99

02:44:49.000 I was like, oh, fuck, broadcast. 0.99

02:44:51.000 We can use this to broadcast. 0.99

02:44:53.000 And since that moment, I think that's the mission I've been on.

02:44:56.000 And look at...

02:44:57.000 Mama, I have arrived.

02:44:59.000 Here we are.

02:45:01.000 That's an amazing story, man. 0.99

02:45:03.000 That's cool as fuck. 0.99

02:45:04.000 I love hearing it from someone who was there from the very first steps. 0.98

02:45:08.000 We used to have the yellow pages, the internet yellow pages, which was a book.

02:45:13.000 I still have it.

02:45:14.000 It was published.

02:45:15.000 I remember that.

02:45:15.000 It was published.

02:45:16.000 I remember that.

02:45:16.000 You can look up everything in the yellow pages.

02:45:18.000 That was a business.

02:45:19.000 That's hilarious.

02:45:20.000 That was a business. 0.98

02:45:21.000 But the yellow pages got fucked, right? 0.98

02:45:24.000 Of course. 1.00

02:45:24.000 That shit fell apart. 1.00

02:45:25.000 That business? 1.00

02:45:26.000 Here's what happened with newspapers.

02:45:27.000 Here's where the newspapers fucked up with the news when the internet came around.

02:45:31.000 And there were...

02:45:32.000 I saw it.

02:45:33.000 Other people saw it.

02:45:34.000 Craig Newmark saw it.

02:45:37.000 And it's classifieds, because they were all hoity-toity about the advertising model, but they were really making the money off the classified ads.

02:45:44.000 Everybody knows it, everybody knew it, and that's what Craigslist, who tried to sell it to Tribune, was it Tribune?

02:45:51.000 Or Hearst?

02:45:52.000 Maybe it was Hearst.

02:45:53.000 For just a couple million bucks.

02:45:55.000 And it's like, no, we're not interested.

02:45:57.000 We don't need it.

02:45:58.000 Not invented here, whatever.

02:45:59.000 And so he ate up their classified business overnight.

02:46:04.000 And they were left holding the bag saying, well, we have cool news to advertise on.

02:46:08.000 Well, no, no, we'll put some in there.

02:46:10.000 But now it was about the classifieds.

02:46:11.000 That's where the money came from.

02:46:13.000 Wow.

02:46:14.000 Dvorak can tell the story.

02:46:16.000 I'll ask him to do it on the show.

02:46:17.000 You can tell the story about Craig Newmark and how they passed on it.

02:46:20.000 And he does that very well.

02:46:22.000 The classified ads, do they even have them still in the newspapers?

02:46:26.000 They're gone?

02:46:27.000 Obits.

02:46:28.000 Dead people is still a good business.

02:46:30.000 Yeah.

02:46:31.000 Of course they have some, but no, not really.

02:46:34.000 How often do you hold a physical newspaper in your hand and read it?

02:46:37.000 Whenever I'm at the airport, I always buy the newspapers.

02:46:40.000 Yeah.

02:46:40.000 Because I don't want to be on my phone.

02:46:42.000 Right, right, right.

02:46:43.000 Let me just read the newspaper.

02:46:44.000 Yeah.

02:46:45.000 Do you use Android?

02:46:47.000 No.

02:46:48.000 iPhone?

02:46:49.000 I have a stripped down, I call it cloaked, no SIM card, VPN, pie hole.

02:46:58.000 There's a lot of different parts on it that I do carry.

02:47:02.000 It's iPhone 7 if I need to.

02:47:05.000 There's no other apps on it, no extra apps.

02:47:07.000 Wow.

02:47:09.000 Blanket.

02:47:10.000 So you keep that in case of emergency?

02:47:12.000 Yeah, if I need to do something.

02:47:13.000 Like, I want to use the GPS. And it also has an iCloud account that's not my main iCloud account.

02:47:22.000 I'm trying to make that Adam Curry and remove my other digital footprint.

02:47:26.000 I get it.

02:47:27.000 Try to move it over a little bit or something, at least confuse it a bit.

02:47:31.000 Wow.

02:47:31.000 Whatever happened to...

02:47:32.000 Wasn't there a blockchain phone that was going to be released?

02:47:37.000 There's a number of interesting projects that are Linux-based.

02:47:47.000 I'm trying to think of the one that's on the...

02:47:49.000 A lot of it's crowdfunded.

02:47:50.000 This company, actually, they make laptops that are complete...

02:47:53.000 They're all open-source hardware. 0.99

02:47:55.000 Shit, Jamie, can you find... 0.99

02:47:56.000 What's the name of that country? 1.00

02:47:57.000 It's... 1.00

02:47:58.000 I feel stupid now. 0.97

02:48:01.000 It's the weed. 0.99

02:48:03.000 It definitely is the weed.

02:48:04.000 But they crowdfund, but they've had very successful crowdfunding with Linux laptops, with open source hardware.

02:48:10.000 That's really where you have to look for the problems.

02:48:12.000 Because advertising, it's an insatiable thing that these companies are hooked on.

02:48:17.000 And the data, they have to keep getting data from us.

02:48:21.000 That's the system.

02:48:22.000 So when we start to cut it down, they move to the hardware, they move to different types of ways of getting data.

02:48:28.000 Right now, you still can't hide from cell phone triangulation.

02:48:32.000 There's all kinds of ways people can find you.

02:48:34.000 That's really the biggest problem.

02:48:35.000 If you can track someone's location, you can build their life.

02:48:38.000 Add a credit card to that.

02:48:42.000 Mimi, John C. Dvorak's wife, she does the company's taxes.

02:48:47.000 It's a very family business.

02:48:50.000 I think she used to do some kind of auditing in the past.

02:48:54.000 And she'll call up and say, here's what I always see you do.

02:48:57.000 And she'll tell me exactly what I do, where I go, when I like to eat out.

02:49:02.000 She has all these patterns.

02:49:03.000 And she just does it for fun. 1.00

02:49:04.000 Do you have GPS in your car?

02:49:07.000 You can't get rid of it.

02:49:10.000 No manufacturer after probably 2015 allows you to completely turn off tracking.

02:49:18.000 Well, you got an iPhone 7. Why don't you get like a 69 Corvette?

02:49:23.000 Get something old.

02:49:24.000 69, that's the point.

02:49:25.000 I mean, everything is built in now.

02:49:28.000 Yeah.

02:49:28.000 I mean, I think that didn't really start until like the 2000s, right?

02:49:31.000 Well, they sold it to us in a great way with on-call.

02:49:34.000 You know, like, boom, I'm upside down.

02:49:35.000 On-call, help is on the way.

02:49:37.000 What is this, Jamie?

02:49:38.000 I typed in...

02:49:39.000 Oh, Librem. 0.98

02:49:40.000 There you go.

02:49:40.000 Thank you.

02:49:41.000 What did you type in?

02:49:43.000 Crowdfunded Linux laptop.

02:49:45.000 Fantastic.

02:49:45.000 Yeah, Librem.

02:49:46.000 Purism company.

02:49:48.000 They make a bunch of products.

02:49:49.000 Do you mean laptop or phone?

02:49:50.000 They make both.

02:49:51.000 So they make the laptops, the phone, they're coming.

02:49:53.000 But there's other projects as well.

02:49:55.000 It looks like a real phone.

02:49:56.000 But here's my problem.

02:49:58.000 Here's my problem.

02:49:58.000 What?

02:49:59.000 It's still going to bleep and bloop.

02:50:00.000 Right.

02:50:01.000 I don't want it.

02:50:02.000 Right.

02:50:02.000 It's going to find you.

02:50:03.000 I'll buy it.

02:50:04.000 Of course I want to have it because I have control over keeping it off and not using it when I'm on the road.

02:50:09.000 But as a basic thing, if I'm at home and I just want to surf, I'm sitting down, yeah, I'd rather use that.

02:50:16.000 Absolutely.

02:50:16.000 Apple, I kind of trust Apple to a degree.

02:50:20.000 They're pretty good about not selling stuff they know.

02:50:22.000 So their maps would be what I use.

02:50:24.000 I trust that.

02:50:25.000 But only as far as I can throw them.

02:50:28.000 I'm sure there's a million guys going, Curry, you have no idea how they try.

02:50:31.000 Yeah, I do.

02:50:32.000 But I just try to make less data.

02:50:34.000 What do you think happened with Google that they removed don't be evil?

02:50:39.000 I think it was Do No Evil.

02:50:41.000 Do No Evil, that's right.

02:50:42.000 People get that wrong.

02:50:43.000 I get everything wrong.

02:50:45.000 No, I mean, it's one of those things that, it's like a Mandela Effect.

02:50:52.000 Okay, right, like the Bernstein Bears?

02:50:54.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:50:55.000 So it's like Mandela Effect.

02:50:57.000 For whatever reason, well, that's a...

02:51:00.000 Okay, so these guys who grew up, you know, under the...

02:51:03.000 Don't Be Evil.

02:51:07.000 I thought it was Don't Do Evil, but it was in the S1 document and I remember reading it.

02:51:13.000 So it is either way.

02:51:14.000 Maybe they changed that halfway and went from Don't Do Evil to Don't Be Evil.

02:51:21.000 They adjusted it from Do the Right Thing.

02:51:23.000 No, it was...

02:51:24.000 That's what it says now, I guess.

02:51:25.000 Oh, either way.

02:51:26.000 Anyway.

02:51:27.000 Whatever the wording of it is.

02:51:29.000 So these guys didn't grow up by accident.

02:51:30.000 This is going to be my big Google conspiracy theory.

02:51:33.000 I'll give it to you.

02:51:35.000 It's one way of explaining it. 1.00

02:51:36.000 Maybe I'm full of shit. 1.00

02:51:37.000 Okay. 1.00

02:51:38.000 I love a good conspiracy.

02:51:39.000 They had a lot of help.

02:51:40.000 In advance, I'm rooting on this conspiracy.

02:51:42.000 Their main boost was the acquisition of Keyhole.

02:51:45.000 And this was a, you have to know the company In-Q-Tel, which is a venture capital company, which is the CIA's, it's not a secret, it's the CIA's, they would say, Our CIA venture capital company.

02:51:58.000 And they invest in stuff.

02:51:59.000 And they help the keyhole acquisition.

02:52:01.000 And keyhole is the mapping.

02:52:02.000 That's really what Google Maps was.

02:52:04.000 The most important thing you can have for a person's identity is where they are.

02:52:09.000 These guys kind of grew up young under oppression of Russia.

02:52:14.000 That's where they both come from.

02:52:15.000 And they kind of came into the system.

02:52:18.000 If you look at the universities and the people involved and how they We're almost given some kind of prizes for things they did.

02:52:25.000 I mean, there's an alternative story to the general narrative of how Google came to be.

02:52:32.000 So I think there was a lot of intelligence people involved in this, involved in setting it up.

02:52:39.000 And the psychology of Larry and Sergey...

02:52:44.000 Some psychologists have analyzed, and I've listened to a lot of different people, is that they kind of become what their oppressor was to them.

02:52:53.000 And it's not really, I don't think they're bad guys, but this is psychosis that happens if you grow up in some kind of stressed out situation.

02:53:01.000 People who have been abused often abuse others.

02:53:05.000 And so I think that's what's going on. 0.95

02:53:07.000 The problem is, I love all the technology, I love what all these companies and everybody's doing, The business model is just fucking humanity. 0.96

02:53:16.000 It is. 0.99

02:53:17.000 It's fucking us. 0.99

02:53:17.000 By giving away data and by influencing people with the use of that data. 0.99

02:53:22.000 Not letting us share.

02:53:24.000 In the revenue of the data or having some control over it.

02:53:29.000 That's really what it is.

02:53:30.000 Do you think that there should be some sort of legislation that recognizes what data is and that they look at it in terms of like it's a commodity and saying like selling and buying and selling?

02:53:39.000 Well, I think there is some of that.

02:53:41.000 But is there some that really evenly balances it or looks at it for what it really is?

02:53:46.000 Well, what is data?

02:53:47.000 I mean, what is money?

02:53:48.000 Money is data.

02:53:49.000 Money is not money anymore.

02:53:51.000 What are you providing?

02:53:51.000 You're providing a service.

02:53:53.000 It's all data.

02:53:54.000 It's all data.

02:53:55.000 Yeah, it is all data.

02:53:56.000 It has to be a trust relationship.

02:53:58.000 And if their business model is as it is now, if they don't change it, no legislation will stop them from getting around the problem. 0.97

02:54:08.000 But now it's you get free shit and we get your data. 0.96

02:54:11.000 You get a free browser, we get your data. 0.99

02:54:13.000 Here's the interesting thing.

02:54:17.000 The internet is, although no longer quite the same way with upstream and downstream being equal due to the cable companies and how they've implemented your personal connection, we can still do our own servers.

02:54:30.000 It doesn't all have to be on YouTube, on Facebook, on Twitter.

02:54:34.000 I was talking earlier about Mastodon.

02:54:37.000 NoagendaSocial.com is our own social network.

02:54:40.000 It's with open source software without algorithms.

02:54:43.000 And we federate with all these other servers, much the way the World Wide Web grew up.

02:54:48.000 And there's this mechanism for communicating with each other.

02:54:53.000 And so it's kind of Twitter meets email.

02:54:55.000 It looks like Twitter.

02:54:58.000 But you control a lot more of how it works.

02:55:00.000 And your community can be a small little community and you can have no one come in.

02:55:03.000 You can block people or just say, I only want these cool people to also connect or that server to connect.

02:55:09.000 It's all good.

02:55:10.000 So you have all these kind of...

02:55:12.000 Almost like an Ancestry.com tree that branches to all these different places called the Federation.

02:55:18.000 If we build upon those kinds of things and don't let other companies or companies at all, there's no reason for them to get involved.

02:55:25.000 It's very cheap with, believe it or not, a Linux laptop.

02:55:29.000 You can get started.

02:55:30.000 Any kid can learn how to do it.

02:55:31.000 They should be teaching it at school how to set up a server, how to get around some of the hurdles, understand how an email server works.

02:55:38.000 And we will not need these companies.

02:55:39.000 We can have all the joy And a lot of the downside, but there won't be a Twitter police, there'll be only your own little community, say, hey, we don't like this guy, we're just going to block you, or your whole community, or we would love to have you guys with us, and it can happen to us similarly.

02:55:56.000 And that's how you build these networks, and eventually you connect to each other on the back end somehow anyway.

02:56:01.000 How often do you think, I mean, how long do you think it's going to be before we're implementing augmented reality into our life in that way, in like a social media context?

02:56:13.000 Because you kind of got augmented reality already with your ears.

02:56:16.000 Yeah, so it would be unfair of me to say that it's...

02:56:22.000 It's augmented in that it's enhancing.

02:56:25.000 I have enhanced it in ways that are particular to me, but it's not some algorithm really determining things that I should hear.

02:56:34.000 I'm in total control of how that works and how it sounds.

02:56:39.000 I don't see the case for augmented reality.

02:56:42.000 I just don't see it.

02:56:43.000 When you think about what Apple's trying to do with their glasses.

02:56:46.000 Well, I think it's trying to get people from doing this to doing this.

02:56:49.000 Yes, it probably is.

02:56:50.000 That's all that it is.

02:56:51.000 That's all that it is.

02:56:52.000 But it's also probably adding to the experience, right?

02:56:55.000 If you can have little animated fairies everywhere you go that you see through your Apple glasses, everything else looks the same. 1.00

02:57:01.000 Do you ever go to the Haunted Mansion ride at Disneyland?

02:57:05.000 Yes.

02:57:05.000 And there's a ghost sitting right next to you?

02:57:07.000 If I see you with one of those glasses on, I'm going to go learn some fucking Muay Thai. 1.00

02:57:11.000 I'm going to kick you in your fucking head. 1.00

02:57:13.000 Boom! 1.00

02:57:14.000 Like dalsam.

02:57:15.000 What if it makes life so much crisper and brighter?

02:57:18.000 You put these glasses on and it syncs up to the little chip that you have in the middle of your brain.

02:57:23.000 It gives you this pleasure feeling.

02:57:24.000 And all of a sudden, everywhere's flowers, man.

02:57:27.000 I'm always looking for the conditioning that's getting us ready for these moments.

02:57:31.000 And so I think a beautiful moment is this coronavirus where the testing is someone holding a gun-like sensor to your head.

02:57:39.000 I mean, that's preparing people for the barcode or the chip.

02:57:43.000 I was like, oh yeah, click.

02:57:44.000 Like a pet.

02:57:45.000 How are they testing?

02:57:47.000 Do you have to go to a hospital?

02:57:48.000 Yeah, the test takes a couple of days.

02:57:51.000 I think they have a test that will go down a couple of hours, but they swab deep in your throat or deep in your nose.

02:57:57.000 It sounds kind of annoying.

02:57:59.000 This whole thing is very, very spooky.

02:58:02.000 It seems to happen every 100 years.

02:58:05.000 Look, Joe.

02:58:06.000 We're conditioned?

02:58:06.000 We're conditioned through horror movies for this.

02:58:09.000 I mean, my favorite part of this script as it unravels was the Pope sneezing and coughing, like, oh my God, the Pope, he's in Italy, he has coronavirus.

02:58:17.000 World War Z. And like, if the Pope dies, this will freak out the world.

02:58:21.000 And so we talked about it on the show, we're waiting, like, oh my God.

02:58:24.000 And today they announced, the Pope is fine, he's been tested, he does not have coronavirus, so thank God.

02:58:31.000 I think this is, sadly, we're reacting in all the wrong ways.

02:58:36.000 This is completely illogical, what's going on.

02:58:39.000 It's very illogical.

02:58:43.000 It's the death rate and the amount of people who are infected that is misunderstood.

02:58:47.000 And so people are just throwing numbers everywhere.

02:58:50.000 And meanwhile, even the New England Journal of Medicine, which includes Dr. Fauci, who's on the team, and who's been around in this business for a long time through the Obama administration, Bush administration.

02:59:02.000 Yeah, he's been around.

02:59:04.000 He said, look, this is probably going to be no worse than a severe seasonal flu.

02:59:09.000 Now, we know that seasonal flus can kill quite a lot of people.

02:59:12.000 You know, it could be 20,000, 30,000.

02:59:15.000 So in those aspects, it's kind of the same.

02:59:27.000 Welcome to my show!

02:59:48.000 And part of it may be the Patriot Act.

02:59:54.000 Whatever's going on with the pandemic, there's always something going on in the background.

02:59:58.000 Do you think whenever there's something going on with the pandemic, then they use it as an opportunity to sneak stuff in the background?

03:00:03.000 Yeah, so I'm looking for the pandemic-appropriate spending bill.

03:00:07.000 Someone was trying to talk to me about that with natural disasters or any kind of attack.

03:00:11.000 Oh, it always happens.

03:00:12.000 And that there's automatically an understanding that people are willing to do things they wouldn't normally be willing to do.

03:00:17.000 So this is when you move in with new legislation.

03:00:19.000 It's the amendment.

03:00:21.000 So you have a bill and the bill will be financing for coronavirus, whatever that means.

03:00:25.000 The president wanted two and a half million, two million.

03:00:27.000 I think like a million and a half was already kind of there. 1.00

03:00:30.000 And you stuff a bunch of shit in that bill. 1.00

03:00:32.000 Well, exactly. 0.99

03:00:33.000 And it's like a piece of the Patriot Act may actually get passed in that. 1.00

03:00:36.000 Because it's kind of like you cannot vote against this shit. 0.99

03:00:39.000 Because how can you vote against Pandemic Saver? 1.00

03:00:41.000 How can you vote against Patriot?

03:00:44.000 The Patriot Act?

03:00:45.000 Well, there are a lot of people in Congress right now trying to break the Patriot Act apart because this is the spying bill where the government can just spy on you, and we've been talking about some of that.

03:00:54.000 It's not cool.

03:00:55.000 Yeah.

03:00:56.000 This all really was implemented right after the September 11th attack.

03:01:01.000 It was already written.

03:01:02.000 It was good to go.

03:01:03.000 I was going to say that Binney from the CIA guy said, look, they were ready to spy on people long before then.

03:01:08.000 Totally ready.

03:01:09.000 They were setting it up.

03:01:09.000 Mm-hmm.

03:01:10.000 They. 1.00

03:01:11.000 They, those motherfuckers. 1.00

03:01:12.000 The crazy they. 1.00

03:01:13.000 Adam, I hate to end this, but it's 310. Oh, shit. 1.00

03:01:16.000 We've literally done this for three hours. 1.00

03:01:19.000 It feels so good.

03:01:20.000 It was awesome, man.

03:01:22.000 It was better than I expected.

03:01:24.000 I expected it to be awesome, and it was even more awesome.

03:01:26.000 I really enjoyed it.

03:01:27.000 We've got to do it more often.

03:01:28.000 I'd love to, and thank you so much for having me on. 0.98

03:01:30.000 Thanks for fucking creating this thing, man. 0.83

03:01:33.000 You know, you were a big part of it. 0.98

03:01:34.000 Your ideas of broadcasting, for sure, are part of the seeds that led to the...

03:01:41.000 You know, to me doing this.

03:01:43.000 So thank you.

03:01:43.000 Thank you very much.

03:01:44.000 You're more than welcome, but thank you.

03:01:45.000 And thank, you know, everyone who really is around your show and all the comedians.

03:01:51.000 I can die a happy man, pretty much.

03:01:53.000 Not planning yet.

03:01:55.000 Stay alive, man.

03:01:56.000 We love you.

03:01:56.000 All right.

03:01:57.000 Thanks.

03:01:57.000 Bye, everybody.

03:02:03.000 Wow.

03:02:04.000 That was a long chat.

The Joe Rogan Experience - March 04, 2020

Joe Rogan Experience #1436 - Adam Curry

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