The Joe Rogan Experience - March 13, 2020


Joe Rogan Experience #1441 - Hugo Martin

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Hugo Martin, the Game Director on Doom Eternal joins us to talk about the new Doom game, Doom Eternal. We talk about our first impressions of the game, our thoughts on the new game, and what we would like to see in the future of Doom games. We also talk about some of our favorite parts of Doom and some of the cool things we have seen in the game so far. Doom Eternal is out now, and we can't wait to try it out! Don't Tell Mom: e-mail us what you thought of this episode and we'll get back to you with more episodes in the next week or so! Timestamps: 3:00 - What do you think of Doom? 4:30 - What is your favorite part of Doom 5:20 - What's your favorite aspect of Doom ? 6:15 - What would you like in a Doom game? 7:00 8:20 What's the worst thing you ve ever seen in a game 9: What do your kids like about Doom 10:00 -- How do you feel about the graphics in Doom 11:30 -- Who are you looking forward to playing Doom Eternal? 12:15 -- What are your thoughts on it? 13:20 -- How does it look like? 14:30 15:40 -- Is it going to be an R rated? 16:40 - Who's your first impressions? 17:00 Is it better than the first level? 18:10 - What are you going to play? 19:10 -- Who do you want to see me play Doom Eternal next? 21:10 22: Is it more violent? 25:00 | What do I think it's going to get better? 26:40 27: What are my favorite part? 29:30 Is there a better version of Doom 2? 31:00 // 32:40 | What would I like to play it in a movie? 35:30 | How do I want to play Doom in the most realistic version? 36:30 // 33: What's my favorite character? 39:00 Do you have a favorite character in Doom 2 ? 45: Does it have a better than my first impression of a movie or a better one? 47:00 / 36:00 + 40:00 & 45:00 My thoughts on my thoughts?

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00:00:01.000 What's up, dude?
00:00:02.000 How are ya?
00:00:03.000 Good, how are you? 0.98
00:00:03.000 First of all, the game looks fucking... 0.98
00:00:05.000 Tell everybody who you are and what you do. 0.95
00:00:07.000 My name is Hugo Martin, and I'm the game director on Doom Eternal.
00:00:10.000 Oh no!
00:00:12.000 They're dragging us back in!
00:00:13.000 Let me tell you something, folks.
00:00:14.000 Hugo just played some of Doom Eternal.
00:00:17.000 He showed us the game and ran through some of the first level. 0.99
00:00:22.000 Holy fuck. 1.00
00:00:24.000 God damn, it's so next level. 1.00
00:00:25.000 It's so next level. 0.99
00:00:26.000 Graphics, it's so next, everything about it.
00:00:29.000 Like the weapons, the demons, the way you kill them.
00:00:32.000 It's the most violent thing I've ever seen in my life.
00:00:34.000 It's awesome. 0.99
00:00:35.000 It's so ridiculous. 0.97
00:00:36.000 But it seems like it's okay because it's violence against demons. 0.99
00:00:39.000 Yeah, totally.
00:00:40.000 And we work hard on that.
00:00:43.000 There's no cursing.
00:00:44.000 I have three kids.
00:00:45.000 There's no cursing.
00:00:46.000 There's no sex.
00:00:47.000 I do want it to be something that my nine-year-old could play. 1.00
00:00:50.000 Don't you think it's kind of crazy that you could rip people's heads off, you could shove their arm down their throat, you could cut them in half? 0.98
00:00:58.000 That's fine. 0.99
00:00:58.000 Just don't use any of those naughty words, kids. 0.99
00:01:01.000 Yes, because I was joking with something the other day.
00:01:03.000 It's like, when I'm with my kids, he's not going to go up to somebody and glory kill them.
00:01:08.000 Explain what a glory kill is, because it sounds too much like glory hole, and people are going to get really confused.
00:01:13.000 So in the game, when you damage a demon enough, they will glow with a shader on them, and that means you can go in to do a melee finisher, basically, which is like a melee attack, and you'll get health from it, and there are these really, really cool enemies.
00:01:26.000 And Melee, we should explain, is like with your own hands.
00:01:29.000 Yes. 0.98
00:01:29.000 You can rip them apart or cut them in half with a sword or a chainsaw. 0.98
00:01:33.000 Yes. 1.00
00:01:33.000 It's so crazy. 1.00
00:01:34.000 Like when my kids see that, they're not going to do that.
00:01:37.000 But when they hear someone use the F word, they're like, oh, I could use that in everyday life. 0.98
00:01:42.000 And that sucks. 0.58
00:01:43.000 That's a very interesting rationalization. 0.99
00:01:44.000 I'm not buying it.
00:01:45.000 But the game is awesome.
00:01:47.000 It would be cool if you had an R-rated mode that you had to like enter in your security number or social security number or something.
00:01:53.000 It'll unlock it.
00:01:54.000 It shows you're over 21. Yeah.
00:01:56.000 That would be funny.
00:01:57.000 That would be awesome.
00:01:58.000 Or over 18. I feel like over 18. Yeah, and then you just hire your brother.
00:02:01.000 Dude, get in here. 1.00
00:02:02.000 I'll give you five bucks.
00:02:03.000 Unlock this pitch.
00:02:04.000 That would be awesome.
00:02:06.000 It's cartoonish violence, though.
00:02:07.000 You could see it.
00:02:08.000 It's very much like a cartoon. 0.89
00:02:10.000 Yeah, and again, you're killing monsters. 0.97
00:02:12.000 It's like Walking Dead when they spike them in the head. 0.69
00:02:14.000 You can't do that to a person on TV, but you could do it to a zombie. 0.98
00:02:16.000 And they're demons from hell.
00:02:18.000 You're doing God's work.
00:02:19.000 You have to.
00:02:19.000 Yes, that's right.
00:02:20.000 And we should explain that Doom was one of the very first 3D games.
00:02:26.000 It was Castle Wolfenstein, right?
00:02:28.000 That was like the first one with id Software.
00:02:30.000 We've had Carmack in before.
00:02:32.000 He's no longer with id Software.
00:02:33.000 But who is?
00:02:34.000 Is Willett still there?
00:02:35.000 No, he's not there anymore. 0.99
00:02:36.000 Goddammit! 0.97
00:02:37.000 What about Hollingshead?
00:02:38.000 No. 1.00
00:02:39.000 What the fuck, bro? 0.99
00:02:40.000 How's it id Software? 1.00
00:02:41.000 Marty Stratton.
00:02:42.000 Changed the name.
00:02:42.000 You got a whole bunch of new people running it.
00:02:45.000 Listen, whoever's running it, they're doing an amazing job, because that game looks sick, and I'm scared.
00:02:50.000 I'm scared I'm gonna get sucked into it.
00:02:51.000 It's awesome.
00:02:52.000 First of all, the gameplay, and then just the beginning sequence, the in-game whole sequence, looks like a CGI movie.
00:03:02.000 It doesn't look like gameplay.
00:03:04.000 Remember when we used to play games, and you used to have that opening scene, there was a video, and then it would go to the game, and the game was crude.
00:03:13.000 This game is exactly like the opening scene, which is so crazy.
00:03:18.000 No pre-rendered, that everything, those are the in-game assets.
00:03:21.000 That's how good they are.
00:03:22.000 The team is like insane.
00:03:23.000 The guys are true artists, craftsmen, you know, like they just go crazy on the details.
00:03:27.000 And when you zoom in with the camera for the cinematics, they completely hold up.
00:03:31.000 The rigging, like, it's like a feature film.
00:03:33.000 It's nuts.
00:03:33.000 Are you guys, there it is right now.
00:03:35.000 Let's play the, let's play the, the, uh, the old trailer.
00:03:38.000 This is the old trailer?
00:03:38.000 Yeah, this trailer's good.
00:03:40.000 Just play it for people.
00:03:56.000 And if you're just listening, you gotta see this on YouTube. 0.99
00:04:01.000 And if you're like, I'm a grown-up, I don't have time for this shit, I have an IRA and a 401k and I have kids. 1.00
00:04:06.000 Me too, bitch. 1.00
00:04:08.000 Me too. 1.00
00:04:12.000 Saving your people will not bring you peace. 0.92
00:04:15.000 Only make the burden you carry worse.
00:04:19.000 For Wallenia, we have survived.
00:04:23.000 Made others sacrifice in the name of our prosperity.
00:04:28.000 Who are you, a human, to defile our traditions? 0.99
00:04:48.000 Now, if you're just listening, this is just annoying music and noise, but if you're watching, it looks fucking sick. 0.99
00:04:54.000 Watch this. 0.95
00:04:55.000 Oh.
00:04:56.000 And then it goes, bam, right in the head.
00:05:04.000 Angels.
00:05:04.000 Oh, there's angels, too?
00:05:06.000 Oh, Jesus.
00:05:07.000 Look at this. 1.00
00:05:08.000 Oh, shit. 1.00
00:05:11.000 So he's like the boss demon? 1.00
00:05:14.000 Yeah.
00:05:15.000 Whoa. 0.99
00:05:25.000 God damn, this looks good. 0.99
00:05:29.000 Doom Eternal. 0.99
00:05:31.000 I anticipate a massive waste of time for people.
00:05:35.000 3.20, so that's when it comes out?
00:05:37.000 Yeah.
00:05:37.000 What's that, nine days from now?
00:05:39.000 Yes.
00:05:40.000 Wow.
00:05:41.000 That guy, if you're Bruce Lee, that is your Chuck Norris.
00:05:44.000 Oh.
00:05:44.000 Yeah, and you guys are gonna...
00:05:45.000 And the whole scene, actually, when you meet him, which is a little clip from that, it's really inspired by that scene.
00:05:50.000 Is it Enter the Dragon or Return of the Dragon when he fights Chuck Norris?
00:05:54.000 I think it's Enter the Dragon.
00:05:55.000 Yes.
00:05:56.000 I think. 0.97
00:05:57.000 You know, like when they square off in the Coliseum, like, you know, he comes out and he says some badass shit and you like look at him and you're like, what the? 0.99
00:06:05.000 Yeah, that's a fucking great scene. 0.99
00:06:07.000 That is a great scene. 0.99
00:06:07.000 Way of the Dragon. 0.99
00:06:08.000 Is it?
00:06:09.000 Way of the Dragon, yes.
00:06:10.000 Way of the Dragon.
00:06:11.000 Or for the Star Wars fans, we say like, it's like, you're Obi-Wan and that's your Darth Maul.
00:06:16.000 Ah, okay.
00:06:17.000 I like the first announcement better.
00:06:19.000 Me too, a little bit more.
00:06:21.000 It feels like, I don't know, Star Wars has become too Disney-fied.
00:06:24.000 It doesn't really sync up with that.
00:06:26.000 That fight is badass, though, between Obi-Wan and Darth Maul.
00:06:29.000 Yes.
00:06:29.000 Oh man, it's awesome.
00:06:30.000 Yeah, it's pretty badass.
00:06:31.000 Yeah. 0.99
00:06:31.000 That's before it went to shit. 0.99
00:06:33.000 The fights in the prequels were amazing. 0.95
00:06:35.000 They were really good.
00:06:36.000 Yes.
00:06:37.000 I've watched the one against Obi-Wan and Anakin like a million times.
00:06:42.000 I love that one.
00:06:43.000 It's so good. 0.99
00:06:45.000 And the lava and shit, and they just go off on each other. 0.99
00:06:48.000 It's amazing. 0.97
00:06:49.000 I described it in an interview that it would be like you would be seeing Jedi at their peak.
00:06:54.000 That really, in the first three Star Wars films, they were not at their peak.
00:06:57.000 In the prequels, you would see them in their prime.
00:06:59.000 Like Hickson in his prime.
00:07:01.000 That's what's so cool about that fight.
00:07:03.000 They're just going off on each other.
00:07:04.000 It's amazing.
00:07:05.000 Yeah.
00:07:06.000 Well, what you guys have done is create something that's gonna ruin people's lives.
00:07:11.000 I hope you're really excited about massive waste of time.
00:07:15.000 I mean, we were talking before the show about video games and the addictive quality of video games.
00:07:19.000 I have a real problem.
00:07:20.000 I just can't play them that much.
00:07:22.000 Yes.
00:07:22.000 I can dip my toe in every now and then and then I shake my head and I gotta go running or something.
00:07:26.000 Because otherwise it'll get the grip on me.
00:07:28.000 Yes.
00:07:29.000 Because they're too fun.
00:07:30.000 Like there's no movie that you're gonna watch that gives you the kind of engagement that your video game does.
00:07:34.000 Because you're like in the movie.
00:07:36.000 Yes! 1.00
00:07:36.000 And it looks like a fucking movie now. 1.00
00:07:38.000 And you see with the glory kills, like, you are your own fight choreographer. 1.00
00:07:42.000 If you're sick of breaking the arm and shoving it in his head, then swing around from behind and cut him in half. 0.79
00:07:47.000 You know, like, do anything you want. 0.99
00:07:48.000 It's awesome.
00:07:49.000 Now, as far as multiplayer, because I'm not really into playing games, the game game, I'm into multiplayer.
00:07:55.000 So you, I promise, if you play the single player, what is unique about our single player is that it will give you the same buzz that a multiplayer will give you because your opponents this time are the AI. And that opening level, that's white belts.
00:08:07.000 You're messing with easy dudes.
00:08:10.000 Later on, it will continue to level up.
00:08:12.000 And as you saw, that guy that comes out with the axe, again, he is as tough as you are.
00:08:17.000 So you will get the same feeling from the single player that you do from a multiplayer experience.
00:08:21.000 That's not really possible.
00:08:22.000 See, because what I like is duels.
00:08:24.000 I like, like, in Quake Champions, I like playing duels.
00:08:27.000 You know, that's what's fun for me.
00:08:28.000 Like, one-on-one.
00:08:29.000 Like, me and Jamie would get barbecued, and we'd come here, and we'd play for hours, just one-on-one. 0.99
00:08:35.000 You'd run around the map and collect your rocket launchers and your ammo and armor and shit, and just fuck each other up. 0.97
00:08:41.000 We have a multiplayer called Battlemode that is fucking awesome. 0.99
00:08:45.000 Like, it's really, really good. 0.89
00:08:47.000 Is it like Quake multiplayer?
00:08:49.000 Same kind of deal?
00:08:50.000 No, it's different.
00:08:51.000 It's very unique.
00:08:52.000 The last multiplayer we made was not super well received.
00:08:55.000 It was a really competent, good multiplayer.
00:08:57.000 What was that?
00:08:58.000 I was just Doom 2016's multiplayer experience, but it really wasn't innovative enough.
00:09:03.000 Like, fans wanted to see us, like, do something new.
00:09:05.000 So we basically took the single player experience, that combat loop that you'll master, and then we give you a way to do it with your friends.
00:09:12.000 It's a 2v1, so it'd be, you know, two of you guys versus one guy gets to be the slayer with all the guns.
00:09:16.000 And it's really, really cool.
00:09:17.000 And then there's Invasion.
00:09:18.000 So, like... 0.99
00:09:19.000 You'll play the single-player campaign, and then someone can become a demon, like Jamie could become a demon, and then invade you while you're playing, and you won't know where he is, and he'll just come out and try to fuck with you. 0.99
00:09:29.000 Like, it's really cool. 0.94
00:09:30.000 But is there any one-on-one multiplayer?
00:09:33.000 Invasion's kind of one-on-one, but battle mode, the closest we come to one-on-one is 2v1.
00:09:38.000 Oh, okay.
00:09:38.000 That's weird.
00:09:39.000 Why'd you decide two versus one instead of one versus one?
00:09:42.000 It's just unique.
00:09:43.000 You know, it's the balance there.
00:09:46.000 No one demon can stand against the Slayer.
00:09:48.000 You know, the Doom guy is all powerful.
00:09:50.000 He's got all these, you know, he's right here.
00:09:52.000 He's got all the guns and the mods and he's got eight guns.
00:09:55.000 Why are his bicep exposed?
00:09:56.000 It seems like a vulnerability.
00:09:58.000 It's like a kind of...
00:09:59.000 He's a badass.
00:10:00.000 Pretty much. 1.00
00:10:01.000 Well, if someone comes along and cuts his fucking arm off, it seems like that's a good spot to hit. 1.00
00:10:05.000 His arms are like trees, so like... 1.00
00:10:07.000 Whatever, they're made out of jelly donuts.
00:10:09.000 They're very large.
00:10:10.000 They are so big that in one scene he raises like a sword and the bicep just like is absurdly huge.
00:10:17.000 That's cute, but it's still made out of meat.
00:10:19.000 That's true.
00:10:20.000 That's true.
00:10:21.000 I forgot what I was saying.
00:10:23.000 But yes, you can compete.
00:10:26.000 Battle Mode is really good.
00:10:27.000 You really like it.
00:10:28.000 Yeah, but why don't you have a one-on-one?
00:10:30.000 Because it just didn't work out that way.
00:10:34.000 Do you anticipate anything like that in the future?
00:10:36.000 Like an add-on?
00:10:37.000 You never know.
00:10:38.000 Certainly, we'll see.
00:10:40.000 But we're really, really proud of this.
00:10:42.000 I think what you want to do is...
00:10:44.000 You've got to innovate.
00:10:44.000 If you want to make something that's really going to engage people...
00:10:48.000 The whole point is to give them something to master that they've never seen before.
00:10:53.000 Because if you're just asking me to master a new version of a thing that I already mastered, sure, a lot of people would appreciate that, but you're not really going to capture a large audience.
00:11:01.000 So we really created something that was completely unique.
00:11:04.000 So we're excited.
00:11:05.000 Now, is there gonna be a deathmatch mode where like all of us can get in a room and fuck each other up?
00:11:10.000 Uh, no. 0.91
00:11:11.000 Jesus Christ, Hugo, what are you doing?
00:11:13.000 We have Quake Champions for that.
00:11:16.000 I know, but we already played Quake Champions.
00:11:18.000 I wanna play that.
00:11:19.000 I'm gonna use those weapons.
00:11:20.000 Play with that guy. 0.89
00:11:22.000 Is this the multiplayer?
00:11:23.000 This is the multiplayer. 0.97
00:11:25.000 Jesus Christ, looks crazy. 0.95
00:11:26.000 It is nuts. 0.63
00:11:27.000 Dude, it's kind of based on a couple of core pillars of like we needed something that had a lot of drama.
00:11:33.000 We wanted something that had a lot of pacing, like the variations in pacing in the match, and something with deep strategy.
00:11:40.000 And was primarily innovative, unlike anything anybody had played before.
00:11:44.000 And it's a multiplayer for people who love Doom Eternal.
00:11:48.000 So when you play the Doom Eternal single player, you'll like this.
00:11:51.000 Right.
00:11:51.000 It looks so incredible, man.
00:11:54.000 It's fucking awesome. 0.89
00:11:55.000 The graphics are so off the charts. 0.95
00:11:57.000 I just want to play this right now.
00:11:58.000 I know.
00:11:59.000 I'm looking at this video.
00:12:00.000 Jamie's showing the video of this guy playing, and it's just...
00:12:04.000 It looks incredible.
00:12:05.000 So he's the slayer.
00:12:06.000 You're seeing through the slayer right now, and those two demons that he's shooting with the numbers coming out of them, those are the other guys.
00:12:11.000 Now, I don't think most people understand the incredible amount of work that's involved in creating one of these things.
00:12:17.000 Yes.
00:12:18.000 When did you guys start on this?
00:12:19.000 About four years ago.
00:12:21.000 So it's been four years of steady work to make something like this happen.
00:12:25.000 And in nine days, we're gonna, like, give it to the world.
00:12:29.000 Release it.
00:12:29.000 Yes.
00:12:30.000 Give birth.
00:12:30.000 I'm shaking.
00:12:31.000 Are you?
00:12:32.000 Oh my god, I'm so nervous.
00:12:33.000 They just canceled E3. Yes.
00:12:35.000 Everyone's scared of the goddamn coronavirus. 1.00
00:12:38.000 I know. 0.99
00:12:38.000 My wife says I'm gonna be in quarantine at the house for two weeks when I come home. 0.99
00:12:42.000 Because you come here?
00:12:43.000 I don't think it needs to be two weeks.
00:12:44.000 I think it's four days.
00:12:45.000 You start showing, look at you, you're sniffling already.
00:12:47.000 Yeah.
00:12:47.000 I'm just nervous.
00:12:48.000 Psychosomatic.
00:12:50.000 They say that it's four days and you start exhibiting symptoms.
00:12:53.000 Okay.
00:12:53.000 I coughed at the airport and people looked at me like I almost wanted to apologize.
00:12:58.000 I was just clearing my throat and I didn't cover my mouth and everybody was like...
00:13:01.000 I know, everybody's on edge.
00:13:03.000 But meanwhile, the comedy store was packed last night.
00:13:05.000 Dude, we went to PAX East last week with the fans.
00:13:09.000 Like, lines of fans.
00:13:10.000 And at the beginning, everybody was touching elbows.
00:13:12.000 That lasted, like, 20 minutes.
00:13:13.000 And we were just high-fiving and hugging and stuff.
00:13:16.000 That's how I was at the store last night.
00:13:17.000 A couple guys were, like, trying to give you knuckles and rub elbows. 0.99
00:13:19.000 Like, get the fuck out of here. 0.99
00:13:20.000 We all go down together. 0.99
00:13:22.000 Come on, give me a hug.
00:13:23.000 Well, they say...
00:13:24.000 I didn't watch that show yet with that guy that you had, but 50 and up or something?
00:13:29.000 It's the real problem is people with respiratory issues, people who are overweight, and people who are old.
00:13:35.000 Those are the real problems.
00:13:37.000 Unhealthy people.
00:13:38.000 That's the real issue.
00:13:39.000 That's going to be the real issue.
00:13:41.000 Although Sam Harris did know a guy who's a skier who is 50, who is apparently very healthy and very fit, and he is now on a ventilator, and he was in Italy.
00:13:50.000 I don't know the specifics.
00:13:52.000 You know, sometimes, look, I've got the flu before and I'm sure you have as well, and sometimes what happens is you're worn down from travel, you're worn down maybe from drinking, you're worn down from too much exercise, and then it gets you.
00:14:05.000 And then if you're not, like, and this is just the common cold.
00:14:09.000 And apparently, the common cold is a type of coronavirus.
00:14:13.000 I don't know.
00:14:14.000 Google that.
00:14:15.000 Make sure that's true.
00:14:16.000 But I'm pretty...
00:14:17.000 I was reading up on coronaviruses last night and was like, what?
00:14:20.000 Like SARS is a type of coronavirus?
00:14:23.000 Is this just here now forever?
00:14:26.000 Like this is a part of the world?
00:14:28.000 Like coronavirus?
00:14:29.000 To the question.
00:14:29.000 Well, Michael Osterholm, who wrote this book, Deadliest Enemy, and who was on Tuesday, on the podcast Tuesday, he opened up a lot of people's eyes as to what the issue is and what you can do to prevent it.
00:14:47.000 Those wet markets that they have in China are just bananas, man, with the fucking bats on the tables. 0.99
00:14:54.000 And coronavirus are large family viruses that cause illnesses ranging from the common cold to more severe diseases such as MERS or SARS. A novel coronavirus is a new strain that has not been previously identified in humans. 0.99
00:15:09.000 So, zoonotic, or zoonotic, meaning they're transmitted between animals and people. 0.99
00:15:15.000 So, what's happening is these fucking wet markets, he was detailing how they have chickens that are in one cage, and civets that are above the chickens, and the civets are shitting on the chickens, and the chickens are eating the civet shit. 0.99
00:15:27.000 Oh my goodness. 1.00
00:15:28.000 He's like, it's just a perfect environment to create a disease that's going to jump from one species to the next.
00:15:35.000 That is scary.
00:15:35.000 Yeah, and he's like, and many of them have jumped to humans.
00:15:38.000 I mean, all the major, whether it's avian flu, that's from birds, swine flu, obviously from pigs, they jump from farm animals or from these wet markets to people.
00:15:49.000 Yeah, and they're not going to stop those wet markets.
00:15:51.000 So it's like, I mean, that's how people buy their food, which is just crazy.
00:15:54.000 Have you ever seen the videos and pictures of what they look like over there?
00:15:57.000 No, that seems scary, though.
00:15:58.000 What do you think your game is scary?
00:15:59.000 Want to see what a bat looks like when it's laid out on a table?
00:16:02.000 Apparently, bats are like a common thing to eat. 0.95
00:16:05.000 And bro, when you see what a bat looks like with its mouth open, it looks like it belongs in your game.
00:16:10.000 That would be good.
00:16:11.000 Good reference.
00:16:12.000 We were looking at pictures of them yesterday, and they have a table laid out, and then even just on the raw concrete, bats laid out with their mouth open.
00:16:20.000 They look cartoonish.
00:16:21.000 They don't even look real.
00:16:22.000 And they have no wings.
00:16:23.000 Yeah, Jamie's Oh My God in over there.
00:16:25.000 Look how big these bats.
00:16:27.000 These are bats without wings. 1.00
00:16:28.000 Holy shit. 1.00
00:16:29.000 Holy shit, dude. 1.00
00:16:30.000 That looks like a dog. 1.00
00:16:31.000 They do look like dogs.
00:16:32.000 Unless those are dogs.
00:16:33.000 Those might be dogs.
00:16:33.000 Oh, those are dogs, bro.
00:16:34.000 Those are dogs.
00:16:36.000 Jesus Christ.
00:16:37.000 Those are dogs.
00:16:37.000 Oh, those are bats.
00:16:38.000 So those are bats.
00:16:39.000 So look at the teeth on the bats.
00:16:41.000 Look at that.
00:16:42.000 Look at how they all have their mouths wide open like they're trying to bite you. 0.99
00:16:46.000 Like they die trying to kill you. 0.90
00:16:49.000 And they're gonna cook those? 1.00
00:16:50.000 Yes!
00:16:52.000 That is how this disease got started.
00:16:54.000 Look at that guy smoking cigarettes.
00:16:55.000 And he's smoking.
00:16:56.000 Go back to him again.
00:16:57.000 Let me see a big picture of him.
00:16:58.000 He's triple stacking the bad behavior.
00:17:01.000 Stacks of bats smoking cigarettes like they're eating bats.
00:17:05.000 That's crazy.
00:17:06.000 It's just nuts, man.
00:17:08.000 But this is what happens.
00:17:09.000 See, look at these chickens stacked on top of each other. 0.98
00:17:11.000 When you have a billion people, and look at that guy sleeping on top of that cage.
00:17:15.000 That should be in our game, actually.
00:17:17.000 It should be.
00:17:17.000 Yeah, like if you're hungry, eat a bat.
00:17:19.000 You could glory kill that thing and get health. 0.99
00:17:21.000 That would be good. 0.98
00:17:21.000 Apparently SARS came from bats as well. 0.98
00:17:24.000 So, don't eat bats, kids.
00:17:26.000 I won't.
00:17:26.000 But they have to, because they're starving.
00:17:28.000 I mean, that's one of the things that China's doing what they have to do.
00:17:32.000 There's too many people, not enough food, and a lot of what they're eating is just, we wouldn't imagine eating it.
00:17:37.000 Are you not traveling because of this? 0.99
00:17:40.000 I'm not changing shit. 0.99
00:17:41.000 Yeah, my wife asked me a lot. 0.98
00:17:44.000 She was really concerned about me coming here, and I was like, dude, we gotta sell the game.
00:17:48.000 I just got back from Vegas, and I was a little nervous while I was over there, but I did everything normal.
00:17:52.000 I went to work out.
00:17:55.000 I ate.
00:17:56.000 We went to the fights, which is 20,000 people at the T-Mobile Arena, all stuffed into this one area, and everybody was acting normal.
00:18:04.000 Everybody was high-fiving and hugging, and fighters, I mean, Jesus Christ, you want to talk about people exposed?
00:18:09.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:18:09.000 They're sweating, and they're half-naked.
00:18:12.000 Tyson Fury's trying to lick that dude's blood. 0.98
00:18:14.000 I mean, I don't think he's worried.
00:18:16.000 That was before the big outbreak.
00:18:18.000 Yeah, I'm worried about old people. 1.00
00:18:21.000 I'm worried about my parents, for sure.
00:18:23.000 I'm worried about people who are overweight.
00:18:26.000 You know, I have friends that are not healthy that maybe should lose some weight, and I'm worried about them.
00:18:31.000 I'm worried about people with respiratory problems.
00:18:33.000 You know, a good friend of mine has a daughter who has cystic fibrosis, and he canceled his tour.
00:18:39.000 Shout out to Everlast.
00:18:40.000 He canceled his tour because of that.
00:18:43.000 I mean, but he's got, you know, a real concern.
00:18:45.000 I mean, his daughter has a pretty serious lung condition.
00:18:48.000 That is really scary.
00:18:49.000 It's horrible.
00:18:50.000 Yeah.
00:18:50.000 And so, look, you know, he's got no choice.
00:18:52.000 He has to stay home and play it safe.
00:18:54.000 And I think a lot of people are going to do that.
00:18:57.000 You know, it's gonna be interesting to see how the government handles it. 0.95
00:19:00.000 Because one of the things about love or hate Trump, he's willing to do some shit that a lot of people would think would be unpopular, like close down traffic, close down flights coming in from other countries that are infected, that have high rates of infection. 0.94
00:19:13.000 You know, I mean, I wonder what they're gonna do. 0.99
00:19:15.000 And I think something really radical has to be done to try to start to slow down this fucking illness. 0.97
00:19:23.000 But I don't know what they can do, honestly. 0.98
00:19:25.000 Are we waiting for it to...
00:19:27.000 I gotta watch your show with this guy.
00:19:29.000 Are we waiting for it to go away?
00:19:30.000 Like, I read a quote that, like, when the weather changes, it'll stop or something. 0.98
00:19:35.000 That's horseshit. 0.76
00:19:36.000 Yeah, Michael Osterholm set us straight on that. 1.00
00:19:39.000 That's nonsense.
00:19:40.000 He's like, it's not gonna have any effect on it.
00:19:41.000 What happens is it just runs through the population.
00:19:44.000 And people develop immune systems that can handle it.
00:19:47.000 You develop an immunity once you catch it.
00:19:49.000 And for many people, it's just going to be like a bad cold.
00:19:52.000 For many people, it's going to be like you're coughing, and you just try to get better.
00:19:57.000 Stay home, drink a lot of fluids, be healthy, do your best, and eat healthy, and then get out.
00:20:04.000 You're going to have an immunity to it.
00:20:06.000 And that's what's going to happen on the other end.
00:20:08.000 I saw one guy.
00:20:09.000 He had it.
00:20:11.000 And it was fairly mild.
00:20:12.000 And then they quarantined and he got over it.
00:20:14.000 He was getting over it and getting better.
00:20:15.000 And then they quarantined him with a bunch of people that also had it.
00:20:18.000 And then he got it even worse, which is interesting because I was like, I wonder how he got it again.
00:20:22.000 And I guess probably his immunity wasn't fully developed yet.
00:20:25.000 And then it just overwhelmed his immune system because he's basically quarantined with a bunch of other people that were really, really sick.
00:20:32.000 But he got through it and he was talking about it and all these poor people that are stuck on boats.
00:20:37.000 Oh my god.
00:20:38.000 It's crazy.
00:20:39.000 This is gonna kill the cruise ship industry.
00:20:41.000 Yeah.
00:20:41.000 I guarantee you that.
00:20:42.000 We just went on vacation and I have to say traveling and like we went to this vacation spot, there's nobody there.
00:20:49.000 It's actually, it's kind of nice.
00:20:50.000 Oh yeah?
00:20:51.000 If you go to Hawaii right now, woo!
00:20:52.000 You got the whole beach to yourself.
00:20:54.000 We had everything to ourselves.
00:20:55.000 It was amazing.
00:20:56.000 Yeah.
00:20:56.000 I wonder, you know, I wonder how this is going to play out.
00:20:59.000 I really do.
00:21:00.000 We go like, you know, you're even at our hotel eating at the buffets and stuff. 1.00
00:21:04.000 But like, to your point, I'm just like, fuck it. 1.00
00:21:06.000 What are we going to do? 1.00
00:21:07.000 They're closing down buffets.
00:21:08.000 It's one of the things they're doing in Vegas.
00:21:10.000 They're closing down buffets.
00:21:11.000 Those buffets are huge.
00:21:12.000 I haven't been to Vegas too many times, but the one time I was there, I had a pretty crazy buffet.
00:21:16.000 Yeah. 0.99
00:21:17.000 I mean, all you can eat, just fucking pig out. 1.00
00:21:19.000 Some of those buffets. 0.99
00:21:20.000 But that's also how they do it on a lot of cruise ships.
00:21:22.000 They have buffets.
00:21:23.000 I only went on one cruise ship, and by the end, I wanted to throw up.
00:21:27.000 Like, oh my god.
00:21:28.000 Because the first day, you're like, the food's amazing.
00:21:30.000 It's so buttery, gross.
00:21:33.000 It's like being stuck on an apartment building filled with drunks, but you're all on the roof, and if you jump off the side, you're definitely dead.
00:21:40.000 Yes.
00:21:40.000 That's what it's like.
00:21:41.000 They're feeding you the fattiest, grossest, but tasty food.
00:21:45.000 Yeah.
00:21:46.000 If you're looking to get fat, that's your move. 1.00
00:21:48.000 Some people just, fuck it, let's go all in. 1.00
00:21:50.000 I just recently lost 20 pounds. 1.00
00:21:52.000 Did you?
00:21:53.000 Yeah.
00:21:53.000 What'd you do?
00:21:54.000 Well, I was 226, and that was fun, especially, I mentioned earlier, like doing jiu-jitsu.
00:22:02.000 Fun just because you can pin people down easier?
00:22:04.000 Extra weight?
00:22:05.000 More weight to throw around, I guess, yeah.
00:22:07.000 Did you get tired easier, though?
00:22:08.000 I did.
00:22:08.000 There's definitely been benefits to losing weight that I actually really like, but my blood pressure and my cholesterol was really high.
00:22:16.000 What did you do to lose the weight? 1.00
00:22:19.000 Well, really I gained that weight just from eating like an idiot. 0.99
00:22:22.000 I had really bad eating habits and I had no idea. 1.00
00:22:26.000 I didn't know you weren't supposed to eat a shit ton of pasta before you go to bed.
00:22:29.000 You didn't know? 0.93
00:22:30.000 How old are you?
00:22:31.000 I'm 43. How do you not know that?
00:22:33.000 I make video games. 0.99
00:22:35.000 I don't know what the fuck's going on. 0.99
00:22:36.000 So, like, I know how to do glory kills. 0.99
00:22:39.000 Listen, man, I woke up this morning with acid reflux.
00:22:42.000 Not really, but, like, well, it felt gross because I ate two tins of sardines last night before I went to bed.
00:22:48.000 Yeah, so I'm not smart either. 0.99
00:22:50.000 I went to a nutritionist and she just kind of coached me on, like, basic stuff and it was remarkable how much weight I lost just by not being, you know, stupid. 0.99
00:22:59.000 You gotta just go to bed hungry. 1.00
00:23:01.000 Yes.
00:23:01.000 You're way better off going to bed hungry than eating a big meal before you go to bed.
00:23:05.000 But I come home from the comedy store, and it's late, and no one's home. 1.00
00:23:08.000 I've just become an idiot. 0.99
00:23:09.000 I just start eating. 1.00
00:23:11.000 That's exactly...
00:23:11.000 And then I go right to sleep.
00:23:13.000 I would crunch on the game and, like, be at the office late, come home, and my wife would make something amazing, but I miss dinner, and it's like, I want to fucking eat. 0.88
00:23:22.000 It looks awesome. 0.89
00:23:23.000 It's right there.
00:23:23.000 Yeah.
00:23:23.000 But that made me super fat, and, uh...
00:23:27.000 Like, it wasn't very...
00:23:27.000 But I was working out a lot, so it was actually...
00:23:30.000 And doing jujitsu, so it was fun being of a larger size, but I'm not supposed to be that big.
00:23:35.000 Like, it wasn't good.
00:23:36.000 My numbers are all much better now.
00:23:38.000 That's great.
00:23:39.000 And you just...
00:23:40.000 The nutritionist, what did she change? 1.00
00:23:42.000 I basically...
00:23:43.000 I kept a food diary, and she read it and just laughed.
00:23:46.000 She's like...
00:23:47.000 She's like, you eat like you're 13. I'm like...
00:23:51.000 Well, I work on things for 13-year-olds.
00:23:54.000 That's it, pretty much.
00:23:55.000 When I was a kid, it was like, finish your food, clean up your plate, wipe up every last bit. 0.99
00:24:03.000 Watching my dad, he's Argentinian, piles of fucking steak. 1.00
00:24:07.000 I thought that's how people ate. 1.00
00:24:08.000 That's how you're supposed to eat.
00:24:10.000 Yeah, but not at 11 o'clock at night, I guess.
00:24:13.000 Yeah.
00:24:13.000 I just don't think you're supposed to eat and then go to sleep.
00:24:16.000 It's just not a smart move.
00:24:17.000 I didn't do a vegan thing.
00:24:18.000 I asked her that.
00:24:19.000 I was like, should I not eat?
00:24:21.000 She's like, no.
00:24:22.000 It's kind of the basic stuff.
00:24:24.000 I eat the little bit of all these food groups, and I just eat in moderation.
00:24:28.000 Also, when I moved to Texas, the Asian food scene there is amazing.
00:24:33.000 Oh, really? 0.99
00:24:34.000 It's fucking amazing. 0.99
00:24:35.000 In Dallas? 0.99
00:24:36.000 Like, what kind of Asian food?
00:24:37.000 Vietnamese food is outrageous. 0.99
00:24:39.000 The Taiwanese beef noodle soup is fucking, which is like Chinese ramen. 1.00
00:24:45.000 That's interesting that it's in Dallas. 0.99
00:24:47.000 Yeah, I didn't know that either.
00:24:48.000 Dallas is culturally super diverse. 0.99
00:24:50.000 Dallas is a fucking great city. 0.99
00:24:52.000 It's awesome. 1.00
00:24:53.000 It is a great city.
00:24:54.000 I was just there two weeks ago.
00:24:55.000 The food is so good.
00:24:56.000 I love it there.
00:24:56.000 I love it there.
00:24:57.000 If it's bad for you, they have perfected it.
00:25:00.000 That's for sure. 0.97
00:25:00.000 In my first week there, I went to the Texas fair, and I had fried pumpkin pie with a scoop of ice cream and hot chocolate, and it was like the best fucking thing I've ever had in my life, but it's so bad for you. 0.97
00:25:11.000 So it was just fried pumpkin pie. 0.98
00:25:13.000 It was good.
00:25:14.000 They don't play games in Texas.
00:25:15.000 No, the whole fair is just fried. 0.99
00:25:17.000 Well, fairs are ridiculous. 0.99
00:25:19.000 Just going to a fair is ridiculous. 0.99
00:25:22.000 You're going to get fat just walking through the gates. 0.95
00:25:25.000 I did, you know, definitely.
00:25:27.000 And then, honestly, the work was so intense.
00:25:31.000 By my own doing, I was so into making Doom, and still am.
00:25:36.000 But I had to balance it out.
00:25:37.000 I think I was reaching a milestone of learning how to eat better and sleep right.
00:25:41.000 I was just acting like I was still in college.
00:25:44.000 And how many hours a day are you guys working?
00:25:47.000 Because when I was friends with the Id guys, this was like Quake 3 before it came out.
00:25:52.000 Like way back then I was friends with those guys.
00:25:54.000 And when I was doing gigs in Dallas, I'd go to Id Studios and they'd show me all the stuff.
00:25:59.000 They told me, yeah, it was pretty awesome.
00:26:00.000 I'm embarrassed that I'm coming here and I'm not good at Quake. 0.99
00:26:03.000 So I was like, shit, he's going to totally give me garbage. 0.98
00:26:07.000 No, it's okay. 0.99
00:26:08.000 But you play with a controller, which you tell people.
00:26:09.000 You play with an Xbox controller, which is quite embarrassing.
00:26:12.000 Well, I'm pretty good with it, though.
00:26:15.000 But how do you not use a mouse and keyboard?
00:26:16.000 I do sometimes.
00:26:17.000 But that's probably why you're not good at Quake.
00:26:19.000 Well, Quake, Jamie and I were bonding over this.
00:26:23.000 When Quake came out, I was in art school, and everybody was using Apple products.
00:26:27.000 Right.
00:26:29.000 Like, literally no one I knew had a PC. Like, one dude in a dorm had PC, and you'd go there and he'd turn on Doom, and you're like, holy shit, this is crazy. 0.97
00:26:37.000 But like, I mean, I was like an Apple guy, hardcore, so I just missed it, you know, like that boat.
00:26:42.000 But I play now, and I'm okay.
00:26:44.000 I like playing PUBG. I mean, certain games you have to play, you know, mouse and keyboard, and like PUBG and stuff like that.
00:26:51.000 Jamie, are computers updated?
00:26:53.000 Is everything updated?
00:26:54.000 We're ready to go.
00:26:55.000 We're ready to go.
00:26:56.000 We'll play afterwards.
00:26:57.000 No, I'm not very good at all.
00:26:58.000 Come on, man.
00:26:59.000 You work in the game industry.
00:27:01.000 You have to play a little.
00:27:02.000 You can't say, I'm not going to play because I'm not good.
00:27:05.000 Then you're saying to all these kids out there that are not good, don't even start.
00:27:08.000 Oh, no.
00:27:08.000 I will totally play.
00:27:10.000 We didn't make Quake Champions.
00:27:12.000 I was made by another team.
00:27:13.000 Well, they did an awesome job.
00:27:14.000 They did do an awesome job.
00:27:16.000 Everything that comes out of it is always going to have a certain level of quality.
00:27:19.000 So it's a different team at id that made Quake Champions?
00:27:21.000 Yes, it was outsourced, managed by Tim Willits and then outsourced to, I believe, Saber.
00:27:26.000 So is Willits with them now?
00:27:28.000 Where is Willits?
00:27:29.000 Willits, I believe, is with them, but I'm going to probably get that wrong.
00:27:31.000 Shout out to Tim.
00:27:32.000 How are you, buddy?
00:27:33.000 Yes.
00:27:33.000 I haven't seen that guy in forever.
00:27:35.000 And he left a couple months ago, I think.
00:27:39.000 So he's retired?
00:27:40.000 Drinking Mai Tais on the beach?
00:27:42.000 No, he's with them now.
00:27:43.000 Oh, okay.
00:27:43.000 Yeah, like doing something awesome.
00:27:46.000 I don't know.
00:27:47.000 Can't tell us?
00:27:47.000 I don't even know, to be honest.
00:27:49.000 I just head down making doom.
00:27:52.000 I get it.
00:27:53.000 So how many days a week are you guys working?
00:27:55.000 When you're in crunch time, are you working six, seven days a week on this thing?
00:27:59.000 It's not really crunch.
00:28:00.000 It's funny.
00:28:01.000 I prepared for this interview.
00:28:03.000 I watched all your video game interviews and I know that crunch comes up a lot.
00:28:09.000 This is going to sound hokey.
00:28:11.000 It's like a lifestyle.
00:28:13.000 I live and breathe this.
00:28:16.000 No one makes me stay at the office.
00:28:18.000 And even when I come home, I see my kids, I do my thing, and then I just do research.
00:28:24.000 It sounds ridiculous, not unlike my diet, but my research is that of a 13-year-old. 0.80
00:28:30.000 I play fucking video games and read comic books and just engross myself in pop culture because essentially what we do is make pop culture content that's pop culture content. 0.98
00:28:40.000 That didn't make sense. 0.99
00:28:41.000 No, it makes sense.
00:28:42.000 I know what you're saying.
00:28:43.000 So you just have to, like, you know, ingest a ton of it, which means that it's 24-7.
00:28:49.000 I mean, I get up really early.
00:28:51.000 I try to do the exercise thing.
00:28:52.000 I couldn't really fit in going to do any kind of training or anything in the afternoons because it was just family and stuff, so I try to do that in the mornings, and then I come home and put the kids to school, and then I have, like, about two hours where the house is empty, and I'll just play games, you know.
00:29:07.000 So you're training real early then.
00:29:09.000 It's horrible, but I do the 6 a.m. 1.00
00:29:11.000 one, which is fucking holy shit, dude. 1.00
00:29:13.000 Yeah, so you're up at 5, shoved something in your mouth? 1.00
00:29:16.000 No, not anything.
00:29:17.000 I made that mistake.
00:29:19.000 I drank a protein shake once before training. 1.00
00:29:21.000 That was a fucking disaster. 1.00
00:29:22.000 Holy shit. 1.00
00:29:22.000 So I don't need anything. 1.00
00:29:24.000 I drink water.
00:29:24.000 I didn't even know what the hell I was doing.
00:29:25.000 Again, I knew nothing of nutrition.
00:29:28.000 So I was like, it's 5.30 and I gotta be healthy.
00:29:30.000 I'm gonna drink this.
00:29:31.000 And like...
00:29:31.000 Yeah, you can't train.
00:29:33.000 Knee on belly. 0.99
00:29:34.000 I'm like, dude, we're going to have a serious fucking problem in like two seconds. 0.99
00:29:37.000 Yeah, yeah. 0.98
00:29:38.000 It's the same thing with yoga, hot yoga.
00:29:40.000 I've tried to do it after breakfast.
00:29:41.000 You literally can't do it.
00:29:43.000 I actually, I'm tired too.
00:29:46.000 Like, so I'm pretty much just water, you know, and it's only an hour, so I could kind of get through it.
00:29:53.000 I don't know if this BCAAs are helping or not, but I sometimes put that in my water just because other people...
00:29:59.000 BCAAs, branched-chain amino acids.
00:30:01.000 Is that good?
00:30:01.000 Yes.
00:30:02.000 Yes, for sure.
00:30:03.000 Good before you train and after you train.
00:30:06.000 Yeah.
00:30:06.000 Depending upon who you ask, there's different protocols.
00:30:09.000 Just for a little extra juice.
00:30:10.000 I don't know.
00:30:11.000 To help.
00:30:12.000 Because I get a lot of muscle strains.
00:30:16.000 Strains?
00:30:17.000 Yeah, like in my calves and stuff.
00:30:18.000 Like cramps?
00:30:19.000 Is that what you're saying?
00:30:20.000 I guess.
00:30:21.000 Are you taking any electrolytes?
00:30:23.000 I'm...
00:30:23.000 They're going away because I'm hydrating.
00:30:26.000 That was another thing the nutritionist said was that I was probably dehydrated way more than I realized.
00:30:30.000 So I'm drinking water like...
00:30:32.000 And it's actually working.
00:30:33.000 Like, I actually feel like I'm getting less of those.
00:30:36.000 And I'm also hungry less.
00:30:37.000 Like, one of her things was that... 1.00
00:30:39.000 Probably some of what my cravings are for food is that I'm actually thirsty.
00:30:44.000 So now I like chug a big glass of water.
00:30:47.000 And those 11 o'clock cravings kind of subside a little bit.
00:30:52.000 But yes, I try to do it in the mornings.
00:30:54.000 It's just super, super rough.
00:30:56.000 Yeah, over the last couple of weeks, last week in particular, I've been drinking a shitload of water.
00:31:01.000 Just a shitload.
00:31:02.000 Like last night at the Comedy Store, I must have drank seven bottles of water, which is great until I got home. 0.88
00:31:08.000 I got up to pee three times in the middle of the night last night. 0.99
00:31:10.000 I'm like, fuck! 0.99
00:31:12.000 I'd wake up, it's like 3 in the morning, I'm like, God damn it, can I hold it in? 1.00
00:31:15.000 No, shit! 1.00
00:31:16.000 I just kept doing it, man. 1.00
00:31:17.000 Three times I got up to pee. 0.99
00:31:19.000 So you would agree that, I mean obviously, right, just drinking shit tons? 0.97
00:31:23.000 Drink a shit ton of water, but I believe in electrolytes.
00:31:25.000 I think electrolytes are very important, and I think you should find a good company that... 0.86
00:31:32.000 Do you have one that you would recommend?
00:31:34.000 I use Liquid IV. It's a sponsor of the podcast.
00:31:37.000 Just for full disclosure.
00:31:40.000 But I actually enjoy it.
00:31:42.000 And even if it wasn't a sponsor, I would absolutely use it.
00:31:44.000 It tastes good.
00:31:45.000 You pour it in there.
00:31:46.000 It's got like salt, a little bit of sugar, and a lot of electrolytes. 0.98
00:31:50.000 And it's just fucking really good for you. 0.80
00:31:51.000 That's awesome. 0.96
00:31:52.000 It's supposed to rehydrate you twice as fast as water itself.
00:31:56.000 Oh, wow.
00:31:56.000 It's twice as well as water itself.
00:31:59.000 That's awesome.
00:31:59.000 Yeah, so I pour one of those into a bottle.
00:32:02.000 I like to do that before I work out.
00:32:05.000 It's also something that gives you a little bit of calories, not much.
00:32:09.000 Do you do anything during?
00:32:11.000 Just water.
00:32:13.000 The electrolyte stuff for the BCA is before or after, but not during?
00:32:18.000 I don't do it.
00:32:18.000 Maybe I'm wrong about that, but I don't.
00:32:21.000 The most I ever do is if I'm training really hard.
00:32:25.000 If I'm doing something really crazy, then I'll drink something with electrolytes while I'm working out, like a Gatorade or a Powerade or something like that, just to try to replenish my glucose levels.
00:32:36.000 Is that good to drink Gatorade while you're doing exercise?
00:32:39.000 Sure.
00:32:39.000 Okay.
00:32:39.000 Because I feel like it is.
00:32:40.000 When I'm pretty exhausted, I have to be honest, they have little bottles of Gatorade.
00:32:43.000 I do get energy.
00:32:45.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:32:45.000 I mean, there's a reason why athletes drink it.
00:32:48.000 They're not assholes. 0.98
00:32:49.000 That's true. 0.98
00:32:50.000 I don't know.
00:32:51.000 They're always drinking the logos on the cup, but I'm like, is that some kind of special powder?
00:32:55.000 The issue with things like Gatorade or Powerade or any of those sports drinks, air quotes, is if you're not doing sports, you shouldn't be drinking them.
00:33:03.000 Yeah. 0.99
00:33:03.000 It's like if you're just laying around drinking Gatorade, there's a fuckload of sugar in that shit. 0.99
00:33:07.000 But if you're running hills or if you're rucking with like a 50-pound backpack on and you're goddamn exhausted, well, if you drink one of those things, it'll give you some energy and it'll replenish some electrolytes and give your body some glucose. 0.99
00:33:19.000 There's some benefits to that stuff.
00:33:20.000 It's just when to use it and why you use it is what's important.
00:33:24.000 But there's definitely benefits to taking those sports drinks. 0.92
00:33:28.000 Your facility out there is fucking awesome. 0.98
00:33:30.000 It's pretty dope. 0.98
00:33:31.000 I love it.
00:33:32.000 The bats thing?
00:33:33.000 Oh, the clubs?
00:33:34.000 Club bells?
00:33:34.000 Yeah.
00:33:35.000 That's pretty crazy.
00:33:36.000 I've never done any kettlebells.
00:33:37.000 I need to, though.
00:33:38.000 I could show you some of the stuff.
00:33:40.000 It's pretty easy.
00:33:41.000 If you have a lightweight kettlebell, you could learn it.
00:33:43.000 You really should start with a lightweight one so you don't hurt yourself.
00:33:46.000 Who's the guy who works for you?
00:33:48.000 He's got the beard.
00:33:49.000 I met him first.
00:33:50.000 Taylor?
00:33:51.000 Taylor, I think.
00:33:52.000 He has a black t-shirt on.
00:33:53.000 Jeff?
00:33:53.000 Yeah, Jeff.
00:33:54.000 And I shook his hand and I was like, my goodness, I think you've been tossing around.
00:33:59.000 It's just corn-fed.
00:34:01.000 Seriously, it was like...
00:34:02.000 He's a big old fella.
00:34:02.000 You've been doing something, dude.
00:34:04.000 Yeah, they're big fellas. 1.00
00:34:06.000 The great thing about kettlebells or clubbells, those clubs, is that you're using your whole body.
00:34:13.000 That's the thing about those things.
00:34:14.000 It actually enhances your athletic ability.
00:34:17.000 It enhances your ability to do sports, particularly jiu-jitsu.
00:34:20.000 Things like Turkish get-ups. 0.66
00:34:21.000 You ever do Turkish get-ups?
00:34:22.000 I was joking with my friend yesterday, so no, I've seen them.
00:34:26.000 I think if you put the word Turkish in front of anything, it usually means it's pretty gnarly. 1.00
00:34:31.000 Turkish sauna, Turkish bath. 0.97
00:34:33.000 Turkish prison. 0.98
00:34:34.000 Right.
00:34:35.000 Midnight Express, wasn't that a Turkish prison? 1.00
00:34:37.000 Yes, that is the magnifier for everything.
00:34:39.000 Turkish, that's funny.
00:34:40.000 Turkish wrestling.
00:34:42.000 Yeah, true.
00:34:42.000 But I've never done one, but they look pretty serious.
00:34:47.000 They're legit.
00:34:48.000 Turkish get-up is one of my favorite exercises because it's not romantic. 0.77
00:34:51.000 It doesn't give you big pecs.
00:34:52.000 But man, for jujitsu, it's a real game-changer.
00:34:56.000 And that's with the one leg.
00:34:57.000 Like you have one leg out, one leg.
00:34:59.000 Well, you start off on your back.
00:35:00.000 You start off laying on your back.
00:35:01.000 You press the kettlebell up, and then you sit up.
00:35:05.000 And then once you sit up, you get one leg under you.
00:35:07.000 And then you go up, and then you go all the way up, stand straight up, and then drop all the way back down.
00:35:12.000 And you should watch a video.
00:35:14.000 Ideally, you should find a coach and have someone correct all your form so that you have it down, and then you can do it on your own.
00:35:20.000 But the beautiful thing about that is, like...
00:35:22.000 You could have a kettlebell and you sit in your office and just for five minutes, just do Turkish get-ups for five minutes and do it a couple times a day and it'll change your body. 0.98
00:35:31.000 It'll change your core strength and your shoulder strength and your shoulder stability because you got this thing overhead at the end of it and then you're dropping it back down and you're, you know, resting your body back down and starting all over again.
00:35:43.000 It's a very difficult exercise.
00:35:46.000 I think working with someone is what I need to do because at 43 I'm finding that I injure myself because I'm not exercising correctly.
00:35:55.000 Clearly I'm not doing anything correctly.
00:35:58.000 I'll try to do some extra stuff outside of training to work on things and it's always something.
00:36:05.000 And then when I get something, it fucks everything up for months.
00:36:08.000 I did something on my bicep. 0.98
00:36:10.000 And I couldn't do half the shit I needed to do, you know, in the morning, in training. 1.00
00:36:14.000 Like, it was a pain in the ass. 0.99
00:36:16.000 So actually, I'm not really doing anything anymore. 1.00
00:36:18.000 I do just some basic, simple shit. 0.99
00:36:21.000 Basic simple shit is fine. 0.99
00:36:23.000 Just bodyweight squats, chin-ups, push-ups, stuff like that. 0.98
00:36:26.000 That's it.
00:36:27.000 All that stuff's real good for you.
00:36:28.000 The thing is, like, you're doing something right because you've got a purple belt, alright?
00:36:32.000 Yes.
00:36:33.000 So congratulations on that.
00:36:34.000 Thank you.
00:36:35.000 But also, you know, you're doing jiu-jitsu. 0.98
00:36:36.000 That's a fucking hard thing to do, man. 0.98
00:36:38.000 It's like... 0.99
00:36:39.000 I gotta do something.
00:36:40.000 Because when I wasn't doing it, I got the kids and the work. 0.99
00:36:44.000 Because, you know, it is a lifestyle, but it's also a lifestyle that involves sitting on your ass staring at a TV screen. 0.99
00:36:49.000 Yeah. 0.99
00:36:50.000 What kind of chairs do you guys sit in to keep you from getting back pains?
00:36:54.000 I don't really sit that much.
00:36:55.000 A standing desk? 0.93
00:36:56.000 No, I'm just walking the whole fucking time, like, just walking to this thing, walking to that thing. 0.96
00:37:01.000 And then we just have pretty basic desks, but a lot of people do standing desks, for sure. 0.93
00:37:04.000 And I like those a lot, too.
00:37:07.000 I don't have one.
00:37:08.000 Because, again, I don't really sit anywhere specific.
00:37:10.000 I have an office, but I'm never in it.
00:37:13.000 You're always moving around, talking to different people about this and that.
00:37:16.000 Which is good, because when I sit for too long, my lower back...
00:37:19.000 I got like a bulge in the lower back area.
00:37:23.000 I don't know.
00:37:24.000 And if I sit too much, it kind of bugs me.
00:37:27.000 Everyone who does jiu-jitsu has something going on with their back.
00:37:30.000 Yeah, I'm a little worried about that, because I found a thing that... 1.00
00:37:34.000 You get the kids and before I was like, you know, roughhousing with them and you're fucking breathing heavy and it's just like shit, dude. 0.99
00:37:40.000 And so I'm like, what can I do? 1.00
00:37:42.000 I'm like, I don't fucking like basketball. 0.99
00:37:43.000 I think running sucks. 0.99
00:37:44.000 Like, I don't want to just work out.
00:37:46.000 Like, you know, so I did this and it became a fun, engaging way to get healthy.
00:37:53.000 It's a game.
00:37:54.000 You know, you're playing a game. 0.98
00:37:55.000 It's like it cleans up everything like I can't eat shitty food cuz I'm gonna feel like shit on that so like yeah It had this ripple effect in my life that was fucking amazing. 0.65
00:38:06.000 Yeah, and and and a really healthy pursuit, but the back thing is that guaranteed that like Well, there's things you can do to mitigate it, and I'll show you some of the things we have here.
00:38:17.000 A machine called the Reverse Hyper.
00:38:19.000 Unfortunately, this just came up on a podcast yesterday as well.
00:38:22.000 Reverse Hyper machine, which is a great machine for strengthening your lower back.
00:38:26.000 And then there's one of my sponsors is Teeter.
00:38:28.000 They make those inversion tables, and they have this thing called the DEX, and it's like you bend over.
00:38:34.000 It's a D-E-X-X? Is that what it is?
00:38:35.000 It's 1X. And you bend over at the waist and it just decompresses your spine and relaxes everything.
00:38:42.000 I'll show it to you afterwards.
00:38:44.000 Because I want to keep doing it for health reasons.
00:38:48.000 I found something that adds something to my life in a healthy way.
00:38:54.000 Yeah, I love it.
00:38:54.000 It's awesome, but it does beat you up.
00:38:56.000 There's no ifs, ands, or buts about it.
00:38:58.000 I've seen you wearing your gi in some pictures.
00:39:01.000 Are you wearing your gi again and training more with your gi?
00:39:03.000 Did you always train with your gi?
00:39:05.000 Well, I trained with the gi and no gi. 0.97
00:39:07.000 I have a black belt in both.
00:39:09.000 I know, but I could be completely wrong.
00:39:12.000 It seemed like you were doing a lot of no gi for a while.
00:39:14.000 A lot of no gi, yeah. 1.00
00:39:15.000 But lately it seems like you're wearing the gi again, but I could be completely wrong.
00:39:18.000 No, I think both are good.
00:39:21.000 I think there's nothing wrong with the gi.
00:39:23.000 What the gi teaches you is defensive postures.
00:39:26.000 It teaches you defensive techniques better because you can't pull out of everything.
00:39:30.000 So you have to do everything with proper technique.
00:39:33.000 Because when everything gets slippery and snowy, you just pull out of stuff.
00:39:36.000 Sure.
00:39:36.000 But you can't do that if someone has a hold of your sleeves and they get their fists fully wrapped in there.
00:39:42.000 You're not getting out, and then you're just going to get deeper in.
00:39:44.000 You've got to use technique.
00:39:45.000 You've got to use the proper defense.
00:39:47.000 Do you have a preference or just it's all good?
00:39:50.000 I think both are good.
00:39:51.000 I think both are good.
00:39:52.000 Look, if you live in a place where people are wearing winter coats, learning how to fight with a gi is great. 1.00
00:39:57.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:39:57.000 Because, you know, you grab a coat.
00:39:58.000 I mean, a coat is like a weapon that a person's wearing on them.
00:40:02.000 Like, you use their own coat against them.
00:40:04.000 I saw a great podcast clip with you and Guy Ritchie, and you were staring at his tie, and you were like salivating.
00:40:13.000 Yeah, it's like the thing with ties.
00:40:15.000 I always tell people that if you have a tie, you should have like a Velcro thing in the back.
00:40:18.000 Just take a nice tie, put it on, tighten it up, and then snip the back, and then sew in some Velcro so it seals up like this, so that if someone yanks on your neck, it just pulls that tie off.
00:40:29.000 Yes.
00:40:30.000 Just put on paranoid.
00:40:32.000 Totally.
00:40:32.000 But I mean, your collar itself, right?
00:40:34.000 Yeah.
00:40:34.000 Like a good shirt collar, you could choke someone with that.
00:40:38.000 You know, you're doing an Ezekiel choke with that. 0.88
00:40:39.000 I like the community.
00:40:41.000 With your sleeves.
00:40:41.000 You could use your own sleeves.
00:40:43.000 I mean, you could collar choke in someone with one of those chokes with a good, stiff dress shirt. 1.00
00:40:48.000 You can get in there pretty deep.
00:40:51.000 A collar choking somebody with a dress shirt on, that would be pretty sick.
00:40:54.000 You totally could.
00:40:54.000 Yeah.
00:40:55.000 But with a jacket, like a leather coat, that person's a dead man.
00:40:58.000 Like, if you had a street fight with a judo player, and you're wearing a leather jacket, good luck.
00:41:03.000 Yeah. 0.96
00:41:04.000 You're gonna get thrown in your head. 1.00
00:41:05.000 Our head instructor does a lot of judo stuff, and his fucking grip is, oh my goodness. 0.99
00:41:10.000 Yeah, they have crazy core strength, too. 0.98
00:41:12.000 Those guys have crazy upper body and core strength, because they're so used to just, everything is throwing you in a row. 0.99
00:41:19.000 But when they're demoing and they grab your collar and you're just like, what the fuck, dude? 0.99
00:41:23.000 I know. 0.98
00:41:23.000 Like, I'll never get this off. 0.98
00:41:25.000 Hand strength.
00:41:26.000 Yeah.
00:41:26.000 A lot of them, what they do is they take gis or towels and they throw it over a chin-up bar and they do chin-ups by just holding onto the towel or holding onto the gi.
00:41:34.000 There's a wiry, like, every muscle is, like, taut with those guys, you know?
00:41:40.000 Yeah.
00:41:41.000 Like, it's crazy.
00:41:42.000 Even if they look skinny. 0.99
00:41:43.000 Like, they grab ahold of you, and you're like, holy shit, dude. 0.98
00:41:46.000 Well, you look at their hands, and you see their knuckles are all inflamed. 0.97
00:41:50.000 Every knuckle, like, sticks out that far.
00:41:53.000 You see it a lot with jujitsu guys, as well.
00:41:54.000 That's the truth. 1.00
00:41:55.000 Like, the ears, totally telltale sign, don't fuck with that guy. 1.00
00:41:58.000 But if the knuckles are fucked up, you should just do whatever that person says. 1.00
00:42:02.000 Yeah. 0.98
00:42:03.000 Have you seen Megaton Diaz's hands? 0.99
00:42:05.000 Dude, holy shit. 0.98
00:42:07.000 See if you can find an image of Megaton Diaz. 0.99
00:42:10.000 Is that arthritis?
00:42:12.000 Is that what that is?
00:42:13.000 Yeah.
00:42:13.000 So he's in pain.
00:42:19.000 Well, I don't know. 0.99
00:42:21.000 I mean, you'd have to ask him, but God damn it, that guy will rip your neck right off. 0.99
00:42:26.000 Oh my God. 0.99
00:42:26.000 One of them Steven Seagal movies. 0.99
00:42:28.000 Ha! 0.89
00:42:28.000 They could do it for real. 0.89
00:42:29.000 Like Roadhouse.
00:42:30.000 I was just going to say that.
00:42:31.000 Dude, that's like one of my favorite movies. 1.00
00:42:35.000 Like, that scene where he does that, that guy, that bad guy is fucking crazy. 1.00
00:42:39.000 Like, he just, I used to fuck guys like you. 1.00
00:42:41.000 Fuck guys like you in prison. 1.00
00:42:42.000 I remember being a kid being like, holy, Jesus, God. 1.00
00:42:45.000 That movie's so good in all the worst ways.
00:42:47.000 See, look at Megaton Diaz's hands.
00:42:49.000 Look at his knuckles.
00:42:50.000 That's just one image of him.
00:42:52.000 There's a bunch of images of him with his knuckles.
00:42:54.000 His hands are just gnarly.
00:42:56.000 I mean, there's a lot of jujitsu guys like that.
00:42:59.000 You know, what is so...
00:43:01.000 It's been said a million times.
00:43:02.000 They are also...
00:43:03.000 The community around it is...
00:43:05.000 That's another part that I really fell in love with because it's like dad jiu-jitsu where I go.
00:43:10.000 Like, we all want to get in shape.
00:43:11.000 And there's younger guys who are really athletic and old. 1.00
00:43:13.000 We have one woman who's 72 because her son is there and her son's a fucking beast. 1.00
00:43:18.000 And he fucking did this to me. 1.00
00:43:19.000 But the... 0.99
00:43:21.000 It's just awesome. 0.89
00:43:22.000 We're all trying to get healthy and we're learning shit and we're helping each other. 0.98
00:43:26.000 It's fucking great, dude. 0.98
00:43:28.000 I love it. 0.98
00:43:29.000 Yeah, it's an awesome way to exercise.
00:43:31.000 I'm wondering if one day they're going to be able to figure out some sort of a virtual reality.
00:43:37.000 Learning game.
00:43:38.000 It's one of the things that I talked with Carmack about.
00:43:40.000 I was like, I see, because Carmack has done some martial arts himself, and I was like, I see, he's actually very good at judo and jiu-jitsu, and he's really talented.
00:43:48.000 Apparently, he choked somebody out at the office once.
00:43:50.000 I think the person asked for it, but there's some story of, like, they wanted to see if John could do it, and he was like, okay.
00:43:56.000 And just like, like a robot, okay, I'll choke you out now.
00:43:59.000 Yeah. 0.91
00:44:00.000 Yeah.
00:44:00.000 I spoke, I worked, I overlapped with him by like a month and he said one thing to me and it was pretty cool.
00:44:07.000 He told me not to put greats in the game because they don't look good.
00:44:10.000 And I was like, yes sir, that will never happen.
00:44:12.000 Greats.
00:44:13.000 Something to do.
00:44:15.000 Like greats you would run on?
00:44:16.000 Something with greats, when you look at them at an angle, all the tech guys right now are like Jesus Hugo.
00:44:22.000 It's very specific.
00:44:24.000 But yeah, he just told me not to do that, and I was like, I will not.
00:44:27.000 That's all he told you?
00:44:28.000 Yes.
00:44:28.000 He's super nice.
00:44:29.000 I didn't know what to say to him.
00:44:31.000 I had no reason.
00:44:32.000 I didn't want to bother him.
00:44:32.000 Look, that's me and him.
00:44:34.000 That is awesome.
00:44:35.000 Yeah, he is, the dude's legit.
00:44:38.000 The founders of id, John Romero, that guy, like, I mean, I really feel like we're standing on the shoulders of geniuses when we make this game.
00:44:47.000 Like, a lot of what makes Doom Eternal good is what they did in their game.
00:44:52.000 Like, the rocket launcher is such a well-balanced weapon in the original Doom game, and we took a lot of inspiration from that.
00:44:58.000 And the fucking characters are so well-designed, the pinky and the cacademan and the sounds they make.
00:45:02.000 The game still holds up to Yeah, it does. 0.99
00:45:05.000 Like, straight fucking legit geniuses. 0.89
00:45:08.000 Even with the clunky old-school graphics, it's still very immersive. 0.99
00:45:12.000 It actually adds to the charm, because when you look at it now, it just looks like a fucked-up Saturday morning cartoon. 0.79
00:45:17.000 Seriously, it's like something they would make on Adult Swim, you know?
00:45:20.000 Yeah, well, Quake 1 became a big hit even after Quake 2 and Quake 3. A lot of guys went back to Quake 1. Yeah.
00:45:27.000 Because it was like a faster game, and it was like...
00:45:30.000 And a lot of times, guys actually cut all the textures out anyway.
00:45:34.000 Yeah, so they could see everything.
00:45:35.000 Yeah, which is really weird.
00:45:36.000 I just, last year, played through Quake 1 single-player and Quake 2 single-player campaign with mouse and keyboard.
00:45:42.000 Yes, you would be very proud.
00:45:43.000 But I didn't play the multiplayer.
00:45:44.000 But I actually am going to just become awesome at Quake Champions.
00:45:51.000 Really?
00:45:51.000 Let's start today.
00:45:53.000 I'm down.
00:45:54.000 Very often, part of my research when I play is to...
00:45:58.000 I have to achieve...
00:46:00.000 I have to reach mastery in a game to find the fun.
00:46:06.000 Part of the research that you have to do when you're designing a game and when you play other games so that we understand how other games are working successfully or not Is to play them long enough to achieve mastery so you really you feel that addiction you feel that engagement level and you're like okay I know how they did this I know I know what I'm feeling right now.
00:46:25.000 Do you bring in you take like professional gamers and bring them in for consultation and say how do you how do you feel about this?
00:46:32.000 Absolutely we watch and certainly we talk to them but it's it's dangerous because if you so so absolutely but It's kind of like, would you want Michael Jordan designing the next sports game?
00:46:44.000 Like, it's kind of like he can tell you...
00:46:46.000 It's sort of like the guy who builds the race car might not be the best guy to drive it.
00:46:51.000 Hold on.
00:46:52.000 Here's what's wrong with that analogy.
00:46:54.000 You're talking about Michael Jordan in a game.
00:46:56.000 I'm talking about game players.
00:46:58.000 So bringing game players to tell you about a game is a good idea.
00:47:02.000 Bringing Michael Jordan to tell you how to play a video game based on basketball is probably not the best idea.
00:47:07.000 No, definitely not.
00:47:08.000 We do.
00:47:08.000 We talk to them.
00:47:10.000 Absolutely.
00:47:10.000 But the point I was making was just that, like, you could fall into a little bit of a trap.
00:47:15.000 It's absolutely part of the process.
00:47:17.000 It's the smart thing to do.
00:47:18.000 Again, like, if you're building a race car, you go talk to race car drivers and say, like, how does it feel?
00:47:23.000 What do you think?
00:47:23.000 Like, well, this is loose.
00:47:25.000 That feels odd.
00:47:25.000 Okay, we'll go fix it, you know?
00:47:27.000 So how does a game like Doom Eternal start?
00:47:30.000 It starts with a meeting.
00:47:32.000 You say, hey, we are thinking about doing this.
00:47:35.000 What do you think?
00:47:36.000 And then how does it get the green light?
00:47:37.000 How does a game like that get going?
00:47:39.000 Were you there from the very beginning?
00:47:40.000 Yes, we have a green light.
00:47:41.000 I've been there for seven, eight years now.
00:47:43.000 So what happens?
00:47:44.000 We have a green light process where we put together an overall idea.
00:47:48.000 Marty and myself, you know, work very closely.
00:47:50.000 Marty is the studio director and executive producer.
00:47:53.000 Shout out to Marty.
00:47:54.000 He's awesome.
00:47:55.000 He's the boss. 1.00
00:47:55.000 He is the shit. 1.00
00:47:56.000 So what you guys say, like, someone comes up with a... 1.00
00:48:00.000 So what are we going to do for our next game?
00:48:02.000 We talk. 0.88
00:48:03.000 Like, it's, you know, making games is fucking awesome. 0.95
00:48:06.000 Like, it is. 0.99
00:48:07.000 It's the fucking coolest. 0.99
00:48:08.000 Like... 0.97
00:48:09.000 I can't believe that this is my job.
00:48:11.000 That's awesome.
00:48:12.000 That's what everyone wants in life. 0.99
00:48:14.000 Stick a dynamite and a crowbar wouldn't get rid of me and fucking id Software. 0.98
00:48:19.000 I can't get enough of making Doom games. 0.99
00:48:21.000 But you hit the jackpot.
00:48:23.000 What people want to do for a living is do something where you go to work and you go, I can't believe this is my job. 0.97
00:48:29.000 So that's why when I go to play and to do the work, I'm like, I'm not fucking working. 0.96
00:48:34.000 Seriously. 0.94
00:48:35.000 That's awesome.
00:48:37.000 Which can get a little out of hand, I guess, sometimes.
00:48:41.000 But in terms of balance and doing other things and get up and exercise or do something.
00:48:47.000 But, yeah, me and Marty, we talk quite a bit, and it's commercial art.
00:48:52.000 You know, it's business and art and creativity coming together, and we have a schedule, and we have to work out the budgets and stuff like that.
00:49:00.000 But ultimately, we begin with, like, a conversation about, like, what it is we want to do.
00:49:04.000 We're talking all the time, he and I, about stuff.
00:49:07.000 And then we talk to other, you know, people on the team.
00:49:09.000 But essentially, it begins with the executive producer and the director of the project getting together and talking.
00:49:14.000 Then we work very closely with our publisher and...
00:49:17.000 And you start to formulate a plan, and we had a plan and a good one for Doom Eternal.
00:49:22.000 And it's cool because we just recently had a meeting with our publisher where we were able to bring up some of the things that we talked about three years ago, and they are working now, which is a good sign.
00:49:33.000 Like, you are pivoting a lot during development, for sure.
00:49:37.000 Like, okay, that didn't work.
00:49:37.000 Let's try something else.
00:49:39.000 And what do you base it on?
00:49:40.000 It didn't feel fun to do or it didn't look cool?
00:49:44.000 Yeah.
00:49:44.000 We call it just steering into things.
00:49:46.000 That feels good, steer into that.
00:49:48.000 That feels good, steer into that.
00:49:49.000 You're always steering into the fun.
00:49:50.000 Like, you let the game tell you what it wants, once there's enough of it on the table to judge.
00:49:55.000 So what are the first processes?
00:49:57.000 Like, when you say, okay, you got the green light, it's time to make a game, what's the first things that get done?
00:50:03.000 Is it design?
00:50:04.000 Do you sort of design what the players look like?
00:50:05.000 Is it the coding?
00:50:08.000 It's like everything.
00:50:10.000 I mean, they begin the engine, all the different processes.
00:50:12.000 Is it a unique engine?
00:50:13.000 Are you using an existing engine?
00:50:15.000 And this is very good questions for Marty, the executive producer.
00:50:19.000 But yes, they begin making the engine based on what they want to do next and the goals there.
00:50:25.000 And that has to, like, this is the engine of the race car, and we're discussing the kind of race car we want to make.
00:50:30.000 But we should explain to people what we're talking about.
00:50:32.000 We're talking about a 3D engine.
00:50:34.000 Yes.
00:50:34.000 Oftentimes what happens is, like, say...
00:50:37.000 Another video game can license your 3D engine and use it with different graphics to make other games, and that's a common thing.
00:50:46.000 Yes.
00:50:47.000 The 3D engine is what we're talking about, which is every game has a different feel.
00:50:52.000 It's like some people, like, during the Quake days, some people were really into Unreal, right?
00:50:58.000 Remember that game, Epic Games?
00:51:00.000 And they were like, this game has a different engine.
00:51:02.000 I love the way this engine feels.
00:51:04.000 Yes.
00:51:05.000 You know, because they all have different sort of physics. 0.99
00:51:08.000 Carmack made some good fucking engines. 0.99
00:51:09.000 Oh my god, did he? 0.99
00:51:11.000 He's a smart guy. 0.99
00:51:12.000 Well, he recognized the balance of speed to like real-world physics versus this sort of cartoonish shit. 0.98
00:51:21.000 Like, what's the fun balance? 0.74
00:51:23.000 It seems like Quake 3 was like a really fun balance, whereas Quake 2 was a little slower.
00:51:27.000 Quake 1 was way crazier, way faster, but didn't look as cool.
00:51:32.000 What is your favorite?
00:51:34.000 Champions.
00:51:35.000 That's awesome.
00:51:36.000 Quick Champions is the best.
00:51:36.000 Tim is happy.
00:51:37.000 It's the best.
00:51:38.000 That's awesome.
00:51:38.000 It's the best.
00:51:39.000 As it should be.
00:51:40.000 Yeah, it's everything in Quake, but ramped up. 1.00
00:51:43.000 I don't like all that stupid shit, like when lizards spit on you and it's poison, you run through it. 1.00
00:51:48.000 Like, that's weak. 1.00
00:51:49.000 But the weapons are really well balanced, and the maps are amazing, and the graphics are off the charts.
00:51:56.000 The graphics are so cool. 0.98
00:51:57.000 Like, while you're playing, you're like, what the fuck? 0.98
00:51:59.000 Dude, it's crazy. 0.99
00:52:01.000 And the artists are so amazing.
00:52:02.000 I mean, the work they do is so inspiring.
00:52:04.000 That's the coolest thing.
00:52:05.000 Like, you love what you do.
00:52:07.000 You love the medium that you work in.
00:52:08.000 I feel so fortunate because, and I speak for all of us at the team, we fucking love the type of game we make.
00:52:14.000 I mean, you just saw it, dude.
00:52:15.000 It's so cool. 0.99
00:52:16.000 It's fucking absurd. 0.98
00:52:17.000 It's so cool. 1.00
00:52:18.000 R-rated psycho cartoon.
00:52:20.000 But it's not mean-spirited.
00:52:22.000 That's what I really like about it.
00:52:24.000 It's kind of...
00:52:25.000 It's cool.
00:52:26.000 It's fun.
00:52:27.000 It's fun.
00:52:27.000 That was actually our main focus.
00:52:30.000 Again, you're killing demons. 0.97
00:52:31.000 That's it. 0.99
00:52:32.000 It's fine.
00:52:32.000 It's just like Walking Dead.
00:52:33.000 You're allowed to kill the zombies. 0.98
00:52:35.000 Don't feel bad.
00:52:35.000 The whole purpose is to make something we talk about quite a bit, like the emotional response of the consumer.
00:52:41.000 Like how you feel when you play something and we want you to smile.
00:52:45.000 Like certain games, they want you to be scared, which is good.
00:52:48.000 Survival horror games, I'm on my heels.
00:52:50.000 I'm like, oh my god, you know, what's around the corner?
00:52:52.000 In Doom, we want you on your toes, smiling. 0.98
00:52:54.000 Like just fucking barreling forward. 0.99
00:52:56.000 Like, what am I going to murder next? 0.99
00:52:57.000 Like, where is it?
00:52:58.000 You know?
00:52:58.000 But it's...
00:53:01.000 It's frivolous, and it's fun, and it's junk food, but, as we say, there is quite a bit of nutritional content in there.
00:53:07.000 Like, it's a smart game.
00:53:09.000 Is there any pushback against these kind of games?
00:53:12.000 Like, when you guys produce a game like this, or create a game like this, is there any where people are like, this is too violent, this is awful, this is...
00:53:20.000 Not really, because it's not against humans.
00:53:23.000 Like, we...
00:53:24.000 And it's not...
00:53:26.000 There's no agenda. 1.00
00:53:27.000 I guess, yeah, we don't really deal with that because you're murdering cartoonish-looking fucking demons. 1.00
00:53:34.000 And dude, believe me, we take full advantage of that. 1.00
00:53:38.000 Like I said, you shoot straight up Steven Seagal, these motherfuckers, right in the head. 1.00
00:53:42.000 It's awesome. 0.99
00:53:43.000 I don't think you should say Steven Seagal anymore, and definitely don't use it as a verb.
00:53:48.000 It's way more violent than any Seagal movie.
00:53:50.000 That is true, but I always got a kick out of his hyperextending of the limbs.
00:53:56.000 The breaking of the arms.
00:53:57.000 In that one in particular, that Glory Kill 2, we were like, there's one pose in the animation where you hold out his arm and he's like, because that's what a guy always do.
00:54:05.000 What I'm holding out hope for is some sort of Oculus version of Doom or Quake or something like that where you have like a unidirectional treadmill and you're locked into it.
00:54:18.000 You've seen those things, right?
00:54:20.000 Yeah.
00:54:20.000 Was it omnidirectional?
00:54:21.000 Is that what it's called?
00:54:22.000 Yeah.
00:54:23.000 Omidirectional treadmill.
00:54:24.000 Yeah.
00:54:25.000 There's Doom VFR, which is pretty cool.
00:54:28.000 They made it and it did really well, actually.
00:54:31.000 Really?
00:54:31.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:54:31.000 Where is it?
00:54:32.000 What about that?
00:54:34.000 Doom VFR. Have you heard of it, Jamie?
00:54:36.000 I have it, but I have not played it because it came in my little cycle of getting where I couldn't stand up for a long period of time.
00:54:42.000 Oh, your back issue?
00:54:43.000 Yeah. 0.99
00:54:43.000 Jamie broke his butt. 0.99
00:54:45.000 You don't even care? 0.99
00:54:47.000 We removed those things from the office, the thing that he hurt himself on.
00:54:51.000 Oh, the hoverboards?
00:54:52.000 Oh my goodness.
00:54:53.000 Yeah.
00:54:54.000 One minute people are laughing.
00:54:56.000 Check this out. 0.98
00:54:56.000 Next minute, some dude's ankle is just straight fucking hanging off his leg. 0.98
00:55:00.000 So this is the VR version of Doom? 0.96
00:55:02.000 Yes.
00:55:02.000 It is.
00:55:03.000 Oh, that looks pretty goddamn good.
00:55:05.000 And so, how are you moving around?
00:55:07.000 You're teleporting, just like he does.
00:55:08.000 Yeah, but how are you walking?
00:55:10.000 I think that's it.
00:55:11.000 You just teleport?
00:55:12.000 You stand still?
00:55:13.000 I didn't work on this, so I don't know.
00:55:16.000 Oh, okay.
00:55:17.000 Do you know, Jamie?
00:55:18.000 Like, how are you going through all this?
00:55:20.000 There's a little line that shoots out that's like where you're teleporting to.
00:55:23.000 Yeah.
00:55:24.000 Oh, so you stay...
00:55:25.000 This is work.
00:55:27.000 You can't move?
00:55:28.000 I mean, that's how they had it.
00:55:29.000 This is a couple years old now, so they've figured out some new things.
00:55:32.000 Oh, okay. 0.69
00:55:33.000 Well, the graphics look dope, but if you're just teleporting to each spot and then standing still and punching people, that's ridiculous. 0.86
00:55:40.000 That's how you do it, huh? 0.51
00:55:41.000 And then you go forward.
00:55:43.000 Well, I'm not doing it justice, too, because I didn't work on this, so I couldn't really tell you how the movement actually works.
00:55:47.000 It's pretty obvious that that's what you do.
00:55:49.000 You're teleporting with that green bolt.
00:55:51.000 Have you ever...
00:55:52.000 You know what sandbox is? 0.97
00:55:54.000 Have you ever fucked with that? 0.98
00:55:56.000 No. 0.99
00:55:56.000 Sandbox VR? No. 0.99
00:55:58.000 It's really cool.
00:55:59.000 There's a company in Woodland Hills, or there's a studio in Woodland Hills, and there's another one.
00:56:06.000 There's a couple of them around the L.A. area.
00:56:08.000 But anyway, you put a haptic feedback vest on, you put a helmet, VR, everything, plastic guns, and then you go and fight things.
00:56:18.000 And there's one where you go and shoot.
00:56:20.000 This one's great.
00:56:21.000 This one is called, what is it?
00:56:23.000 Something Mansion?
00:56:24.000 What is it called?
00:56:25.000 So, they have one of these in Texas.
00:56:27.000 They shoot zombies.
00:56:28.000 Yeah, I wanna do this. 1.00
00:56:29.000 Dude, it's the shit. 1.00
00:56:30.000 Yeah, that seems amazing. 1.00
00:56:31.000 It's really fun.
00:56:32.000 Rats come out, you gotta gun the rats down.
00:56:33.000 So, you are in this room, and, like, this is... 0.78
00:56:37.000 See, they keep cutting back for what is actually happening, what the people see.
00:56:41.000 Sure. 0.99
00:56:41.000 When you're there live and you see it, it's fucking killer. 0.99
00:56:44.000 It's really cool. 0.98
00:56:45.000 That is awesome.
00:56:46.000 It's really fun.
00:56:46.000 And they're getting better at these things.
00:56:48.000 They have, like, sort of a...
00:56:50.000 That character's cool.
00:56:52.000 That's the boss that comes and gets you. 0.69
00:56:53.000 Deadwood Mansion, that's that one.
00:56:54.000 I love that one.
00:56:55.000 That's awesome.
00:56:56.000 There's a Star Trek game.
00:56:58.000 There's quite a few of them.
00:57:00.000 I think they have four or five different little experiences that you can do.
00:57:03.000 That's awesome.
00:57:04.000 They're really, really fun.
00:57:05.000 Don't they have a Star Wars one?
00:57:07.000 Perhaps.
00:57:08.000 The Void has that, yeah.
00:57:09.000 Oh, that's right.
00:57:11.000 The Void's different.
00:57:12.000 Yeah, I've done the Star Wars one.
00:57:13.000 That's at Disneyland.
00:57:14.000 In Disneyland, downtown Disneyland, before you get to the park, you could go and do the Void ride, which is actually better than any of the rides in downtown Disneyland itself.
00:57:23.000 Is that the one with the Avatar flying the Necron, or whatever the hell those things are called, in Avatar World, when you're flying on the thing?
00:57:30.000 That is in Disney World, not Disneyland.
00:57:34.000 Disneyland is LA, LA for land. 0.94
00:57:36.000 But Disney World in Orlando has this thing called Flights of Passage, which is fucking amazing.
00:57:43.000 It's the greatest, absolutely the greatest ride. 0.65
00:57:46.000 E-crons, I think. 1.00
00:57:47.000 Yeah, you ride one of those dragons in Avatar.
00:57:50.000 That's awesome.
00:57:51.000 And it's incredible.
00:57:52.000 I would love to do a VR thing where you're like one of the Colonial Marines from Aliens 2, like running through. 0.96
00:57:58.000 That'd be fucking awesome. 0.73
00:57:59.000 They're coming out. 1.00
00:57:59.000 They're coming out of the goddamn walls! 1.00
00:58:01.000 Yeah, you could do something like that. 1.00
00:58:03.000 Hudson.
00:58:03.000 That guy was awesome.
00:58:05.000 That's my hope for the future, is that games are like that, and you're actually going to be able to exercise doing that.
00:58:11.000 Because I think that if you had a game where you're in a warehouse and you're actually running for your life, and demons are chasing you and you're shooting down things, your heart rate would be jacked.
00:58:23.000 You could do that for an hour and get a sick workout in and have an amazing good time.
00:58:27.000 That would be awesome.
00:58:28.000 You can get in great shape running from demons.
00:58:30.000 You would. 1.00
00:58:31.000 I wouldn't have to get up so early in the fucking morning. 0.99
00:58:33.000 Well, think about this game. 0.99
00:58:35.000 If you could play this game, but you could play this game in a warehouse where, you know, you have all of the boxes and all those stairs.
00:58:43.000 They're all real stairs and real boxes.
00:58:45.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:58:46.000 You're running around this pre-designed map, and you're actually engaging with these VR demons with a haptic feedback suit on them. 1.00
00:58:54.000 Fucking glory killing them. 1.00
00:58:55.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:58:57.000 Ripping out their parts.
00:58:58.000 That'd be awesome.
00:58:58.000 You're really into this glory killing, but the really problem with this calling it glory killing is it sounds too much like Glory Hole.
00:59:03.000 It really does.
00:59:05.000 Right, Jamie?
00:59:06.000 Do you agree?
00:59:07.000 They have a new ride that got announced today for, I guess, out here at Disneyland, the new Marvel Avengers Campus is going to be opening up in the summer.
00:59:17.000 They have a Spider-Man ride where it sounds like you put on a 3D headset, I think just goggles, Somehow, they're tracking your hands.
00:59:27.000 During the ride, you shoot things for points.
00:59:31.000 With your spiderweb.
00:59:32.000 Then there's a leaderboard outside the ride for weekly, daily, and monthly stuff.
00:59:37.000 You and your family can get tracked and be like, we're the best at this ride.
00:59:40.000 Oh, you're going to get addicted.
00:59:43.000 That's how they get you.
00:59:45.000 That sounds all awesome.
00:59:46.000 The level of sophistication going on with the games, whether your mouse and keyboard or controller, though, it would be hard to achieve in VR. I think VR offers, like, a very specific, unique, and fucking amazing experience.
00:59:59.000 And I would just, like... 0.93
01:00:02.000 Separate the two.
01:00:03.000 When we're making VR games, we're definitely trying to do something else, which is cool in and of itself.
01:00:12.000 But there's not only just in our game, but in a lot of games, there's just resource management. 0.89
01:00:17.000 There's high-level skill meta shit happening. 0.95
01:00:20.000 I mean, you know. 1.00
01:00:21.000 You play fucking Quake. 0.99
01:00:21.000 Yeah. 0.99
01:00:22.000 You know, that's hard to reproduce in VR in certain ways, at least at this time.
01:00:27.000 But I think that's the thing.
01:00:28.000 It happens a lot in games where people want to take how you feel or how a movie engages you and apply it to a game.
01:00:35.000 And I think it's like, let a game be its own.
01:00:38.000 Let a game be a game.
01:00:39.000 Let a movie be a movie. 1.00
01:00:40.000 Let VR be its own fucking experience. 0.99
01:00:42.000 Like, that looks fucking awesome. 1.00
01:00:44.000 Yeah.
01:00:45.000 Yeah, if we just... 1.00
01:00:46.000 Yeah, so still, though, yeah, I would love to kill a demon.
01:00:51.000 We have the VR game. 0.69
01:00:52.000 I should just play it.
01:00:53.000 But what I'm saying is, like, if someone made a Doom warehouse where you guys take a 14,000 square foot warehouse, just outfit it specifically for Doom, you got a line around the block of psychopaths.
01:01:05.000 Waiting to play that thing for one hour.
01:01:08.000 I mean, seriously.
01:01:09.000 Especially somewhere like Texas where there's a bunch of warehouses. 0.75
01:01:13.000 You can find some warehouse district where you can get three or four of them and set them up for different maps in the game. 0.92
01:01:21.000 That'd be fucking awesome. 1.00
01:01:22.000 Goddamn, man. 0.99
01:01:23.000 I mean, they're real close to being able to do something like that where it would be really accurate, too. 0.99
01:01:27.000 Where you could have a laser sight on your rifle and you could see things through your goggles and That'd be fucking badass.
01:01:35.000 Although...
01:01:35.000 It's the future?
01:01:36.000 It is.
01:01:36.000 It's the future, Hugo!
01:01:38.000 It's a lame...
01:01:40.000 Well, it's not lame.
01:01:40.000 You know, Carmack can do anything he wants, but he's doing AI now.
01:01:43.000 Like, he's not doing VR anymore, I heard.
01:01:46.000 I heard he was just consulting with Oculus, but now he's pursuing AI. Well, let's be honest.
01:01:51.000 He's too smart.
01:01:52.000 He is.
01:01:53.000 He's too smart.
01:01:54.000 He's from another planet.
01:01:55.000 Him and Elon Musk can get together and share notes.
01:01:57.000 Yes, yes.
01:01:58.000 They're both super wizards.
01:01:59.000 Yeah, totally.
01:02:00.000 I mean, I'm sure he feels challenged by AI. He likes to challenge.
01:02:06.000 He's a very interesting guy to talk to, too.
01:02:08.000 I really enjoy talking to him.
01:02:09.000 Yeah, he is awesome.
01:02:10.000 And you really think about what he's accomplished in the world of video games.
01:02:14.000 I mean, he's the Mac Daddy.
01:02:15.000 Amazing.
01:02:16.000 He really is.
01:02:17.000 He's the guy who started it all, really.
01:02:20.000 If you enjoy 3D games, that's the guy. 0.98
01:02:24.000 That's why working at id Software, and he totally is the guy, and along with the rest of them too, like Romero and those guys, like that group, fuck, that's like... 0.94
01:02:34.000 Do you know him?
01:02:34.000 Do you know John Romero?
01:02:36.000 I've met him a couple times, you know? 0.99
01:02:37.000 That Daikatana game, he took a lot of shit for that game. 0.98
01:02:40.000 That was a fun game. 0.99
01:02:42.000 Yeah, yeah.
01:02:42.000 It took way too long, and there was a lot of bugs in it and all that good stuff, but dude, I played it when it came out.
01:02:48.000 I was like, this game is fucking badass.
01:02:51.000 And, yeah, I mean, that guy is, all of them, they're like the Beatles, you know? 0.95
01:02:57.000 It was like, Daikatana was like the physics of Quake 1, but with the graphics of that era.
01:03:05.000 See if you can find a video of Daikatana in-game.
01:03:09.000 It was a fun game, and I was like, this might catch on, but people were down on it before it ever came out.
01:03:15.000 There was so much shit talk about it because it took so long and cost so much money, and they had these giant offices in Dallas with this huge penthouse. 0.95
01:03:23.000 They're spending so much money. 0.99
01:03:24.000 I personally think some of the best work that they...
01:03:31.000 Yeah, look at that.
01:03:34.000 That's a little dark.
01:03:36.000 Yeah.
01:03:37.000 Yeah, this image right here is dark.
01:03:40.000 Yeah.
01:03:41.000 This is not the best video in terms of what you're able to see, in-game stuff.
01:03:46.000 Yeah.
01:03:46.000 There was a lot of hype, and certainly...
01:03:49.000 See if this is another video, because that's so dark, you can't see anything.
01:03:53.000 Is that it?
01:03:53.000 Yeah, it was hard to...
01:03:55.000 Online?
01:03:56.000 Yeah.
01:03:56.000 On the internet?
01:03:57.000 Bringing up a bunch of other stuff.
01:03:59.000 Oh, yeah?
01:03:59.000 I think the best work that they did was when they were all together.
01:04:03.000 Yes.
01:04:03.000 Keeping the band together.
01:04:06.000 Honestly, making games is definitely a team sport, and you've got to have everybody working together really well if you want to pull it off.
01:04:13.000 You also have to have, like, Division I pro athletes.
01:04:17.000 Oh, yeah.
01:04:18.000 Not pro.
01:04:18.000 You know, I mean, Division I's not a good idea.
01:04:21.000 If you're gonna make a game, you need everybody to be the same level of dedication, same level of hard work.
01:04:30.000 Rockstars.
01:04:31.000 Yeah.
01:04:32.000 Okay, this is it.
01:04:33.000 Why does he have a sword?
01:04:34.000 I never saw this.
01:04:36.000 Usually it's like...
01:04:37.000 What is this?
01:04:40.000 I don't think this is the game, dude.
01:04:41.000 It's not it?
01:04:42.000 It says Daikatana.
01:04:43.000 No.
01:04:43.000 No, this is not it.
01:04:45.000 Okay.
01:04:46.000 It might be, I don't know.
01:04:48.000 I mean, maybe it's a mod.
01:04:49.000 I never saw it like that.
01:04:50.000 What I saw was a lot of cool rocket launchers.
01:04:52.000 Like this is one rocket launcher that would shoot and it would come out like DNA strands.
01:04:57.000 Remember the rocket where like two rockets would twist at the same time, they'd go back and forth?
01:05:03.000 Yeah, this is what the game looked like.
01:05:05.000 It's just really dark for whatever reason.
01:05:10.000 Huh, maybe like some levels you get a sword?
01:05:13.000 I never saw it.
01:05:14.000 I never saw this either.
01:05:15.000 This looks weird.
01:05:16.000 I think this is the game though.
01:05:18.000 Yeah, I think so too. 0.87
01:05:19.000 I mean, it's been fucking forever since I played it.
01:05:23.000 I know that Romero likes what we're making, which is a huge compliment.
01:05:27.000 What is he up to now?
01:05:28.000 I don't know.
01:05:29.000 He lives in Ireland, I think.
01:05:31.000 What?
01:05:31.000 Yeah, I think so.
01:05:33.000 And...
01:05:34.000 But when I met him, he was a super nice guy. 0.73
01:05:36.000 I met Adrian Carmack at a bar in Texas, which was fucking awesome.
01:05:39.000 And it was funny because he started telling me, like, well, if you guys are going to make a...
01:05:43.000 You know, we were in production on Doom Eternal.
01:05:45.000 He's like, if you guys are going to make a Doom game, here's what we thought when we made Doom.
01:05:47.000 And everything he listed, we were all like, that's what we think!
01:05:50.000 You know, like, he's like, we just did stuff that made us laugh and made us smile.
01:05:53.000 I'm like, that's what we say!
01:05:54.000 You know, like, it was cool.
01:05:55.000 He was super nice.
01:05:56.000 So, to me, id Software is kind of like Disney.
01:06:00.000 Like, they invented a genre...
01:06:02.000 And we are part of the new generation there, and we have a legacy to live up to.
01:06:06.000 Like, yeah, it's a really special place to work.
01:06:09.000 I've a tremendous amount of, I don't want to say pressure, but we're all motivated.
01:06:14.000 Yeah, well, it's, you know, you're working at the highest spot.
01:06:18.000 That's like, if you go, I mean, if you think about it, it's like, if it's rap, you're at Death Pro Records.
01:06:24.000 You know what I mean?
01:06:24.000 You're like at the highest spot.
01:06:27.000 And the coolest thing is the type of games that they have always made.
01:06:30.000 They are able to get away with things that a lot of mainstream AAA games struggle with just because of how violent it is.
01:06:38.000 Again, it's Evil Dead 3 with a Transformers budget. 0.99
01:06:42.000 Who the fuck gets to make that? 0.99
01:06:45.000 The shit you see, we spend a shitload of time making that stuff. 1.00
01:06:50.000 I can only imagine. 1.00
01:06:51.000 Whereas in a lot of situations I've been in, it's like, yeah, we want to cut this dude in half.
01:06:55.000 It's like, we're going to have a lot of money for that dude, so do it pretty fast.
01:06:57.000 We're like, there are artists, like craftsmen, working on the entrails.
01:07:02.000 This looks pretty good.
01:07:04.000 And literally the notes are like, I need the intestine to kind of flap a little when you get the thing off.
01:07:11.000 How do you know if you've crossed the line?
01:07:13.000 Has there ever been a time when you had a scene and people dial that back?
01:07:17.000 We actually, tonally, you know, you say, how do you start the project?
01:07:21.000 It's kind of like there's a fair amount of brainstorming, and the strength of any creative team is, at least for a game, is how you brainstorm with each other.
01:07:29.000 The synergy in that room has to be good.
01:07:31.000 You've got to be selfless.
01:07:32.000 You've got to show up.
01:07:33.000 You've got to be willing to support other people's ideas as much as your own. 0.96
01:07:36.000 We have a fucking amazing group in that regard.
01:07:38.000 But tonally, we try to establish that, that like, look guys, we're not making Saw, we're not making Hostile, it's not malicious, it's not meant to make you cringe. 0.96
01:07:47.000 And we actually cut together a little video of like what we thought violence-wise was inappropriate and tonally felt off.
01:07:54.000 Yeah.
01:08:10.000 It's cartoonish, you know?
01:08:12.000 Cartoonish violence.
01:08:12.000 It goes so far that you...
01:08:14.000 Because the thing is, you do this so much, so often.
01:08:18.000 I mean, you are murdering demons per minute. 0.99
01:08:19.000 Like, I don't know what it is, but it's fucking crazy. 0.98
01:08:22.000 If it was off-putting and realistic and kind of like, ooh, you'd be so turned off. 0.98
01:08:26.000 It'd be sick.
01:08:27.000 Like, it'd make you sick after a while.
01:08:30.000 That's a weird way of looking at it.
01:08:32.000 I don't think you're right. 0.92
01:08:33.000 What you're doing is super gory and disgusting. 0.87
01:08:36.000 You think somehow or another that would make you less sick? 0.81
01:08:38.000 That it was more realistic and less bloody?
01:08:41.000 Oh, for sure.
01:08:41.000 What?
01:08:42.000 Tonally, we could twist that where every one of those is mean-spirited and really off-putting, for sure.
01:08:49.000 Okay, I don't want you to sell me some PR stuff to sort of defend your game against people that are anti-violence, because that's what it sounds like. 0.93
01:08:57.000 What you're doing is super bloody and disgusting and violent.
01:09:01.000 To say that somehow or another that is less off-putting than less gory is pretty... 1.00
01:09:06.000 That's a ridiculous argument.
01:09:07.000 I don't want you using it here or anywhere else. 0.91
01:09:09.000 Well, it's...
01:09:10.000 Joseph, it is not.
01:09:12.000 This is no PR. This is legit.
01:09:15.000 It sounds like you've been coached.
01:09:16.000 No, no, no, no.
01:09:17.000 Like, this is my message to the team.
01:09:19.000 I mean, sincerely, like...
01:09:20.000 Okay, you're coaching them.
01:09:21.000 Well, because they make the content.
01:09:23.000 So, like, think of this.
01:09:26.000 Alright, good.
01:09:27.000 I like this. 1.00
01:09:27.000 Because this is the fucking truth. 1.00
01:09:29.000 So, you look at Saw. 1.00
01:09:32.000 You look at torture porn, horror movies. 1.00
01:09:34.000 They're cutting Achilles tendons with a fucking X-Acto knife. 1.00
01:09:37.000 And the dude is screaming in pain. 1.00
01:09:39.000 And he's a person.
01:09:40.000 Like... 1.00
01:09:41.000 This is gnarly shit. 1.00
01:09:42.000 He doesn't look like he's having a good time. 1.00
01:09:44.000 Like, versus on Evil Dead 2 when you lop off the head of that one grandma creature that comes up out of the basement and like fucking buckets of blood start coming out of her head. 0.99
01:09:54.000 Right. 0.99
01:09:54.000 Cartoonish. 0.99
01:09:55.000 Cartoonish.
01:09:56.000 So like, it's critical.
01:09:58.000 Zero PR spin. 0.99
01:09:59.000 That is, we have to believe that because look, Your design story is going to be exposed to the consumer in two fucking seconds. 1.00
01:10:07.000 Like, they can see through your bullshit in five seconds. 1.00
01:10:09.000 If they're like, dude, you're trying to sell... 1.00
01:10:11.000 No, like...
01:10:11.000 So we have to have an honest, good design story that we can stand behind that is true.
01:10:16.000 And that is the truth.
01:10:18.000 I mean, we basically looked at, like, cartoons and, like, make it over the top.
01:10:23.000 The animation...
01:10:23.000 So every time...
01:10:24.000 Here's a perfect example. 0.99
01:10:25.000 Every time you murder a cacodemon, which is those flying balls, you pull out their eyeball. 0.97
01:10:30.000 What is it called? 0.97
01:10:30.000 A caca? 0.97
01:10:31.000 A cacodemon.
01:10:32.000 A caca?
01:10:33.000 What's the word?
01:10:33.000 Spell it.
01:10:34.000 C-A-C-C-O. Don't you have kids?
01:10:39.000 You have kids, right?
01:10:40.000 I do.
01:10:40.000 I have three kids.
01:10:41.000 It's caca.
01:10:41.000 You're saying caca demon.
01:10:43.000 It's a poo-poo demon. 1.00
01:10:44.000 Sure.
01:10:47.000 So every time you pull out his eyeball, you literally hear like a, I can't do it, but Yeah, sound.
01:10:53.000 Like a funny, cartoony sound.
01:10:55.000 And that is absolutely intentional to take the edge off what you're doing.
01:11:00.000 Because if it was more gruesome, and there, like, it's The Exorcist versus Evil Dead 2. Those are tonally two completely different movies.
01:11:08.000 You know, House.
01:11:09.000 House was a movie that came out in the 80s that was inspired by Evil Dead. 1.00
01:11:12.000 That's like a fucking comedy. 0.99
01:11:13.000 I mean, it is a comedy. 1.00
01:11:14.000 And it's a horror comedy. 0.97
01:11:16.000 Versus The Exorcist, which is fucking amazing. 0.99
01:11:19.000 Fucking amazing. 0.99
01:11:20.000 But really, very serious, you know? 0.98
01:11:23.000 And that's how we're able to do what we do.
01:11:25.000 Okay, stop selling it.
01:11:27.000 Stop selling the violence thing.
01:11:28.000 I get it.
01:11:29.000 I see what you're saying.
01:11:30.000 What is this, a caca demon?
01:11:31.000 That's a caca demon. 0.93
01:11:32.000 It's caca. 0.74
01:11:33.000 That's poopoo. 0.97
01:11:34.000 It looks like poop. 1.00
01:11:35.000 Like if you had a demon shit, that's what it would look like. 1.00
01:11:38.000 Like, oh no, tearing you up on the way out. 1.00
01:11:41.000 What is that, an original one?
01:11:42.000 That is the original Cacodemon.
01:11:45.000 From the original Doom?
01:11:46.000 Yes.
01:11:46.000 Oh, cool.
01:11:47.000 So it's an updated version of that, but, you know, just more graphically intense.
01:11:51.000 Yes.
01:11:52.000 So when you do something like this and you release this game, obviously there'll be patches and some upgrades and some different things that you do, but how long do you work on this game before you guys move on to the next thing?
01:12:05.000 We're already moving on to...
01:12:07.000 Well, I don't want to say the next thing.
01:12:08.000 That is a PR answer because I'm not allowed to say that.
01:12:11.000 So you have ideas already?
01:12:13.000 Ideas, certainly.
01:12:14.000 And DLC. DLC is guaranteed.
01:12:17.000 What is that?
01:12:18.000 It's basically like a small episode of Doom that we would sell after launch.
01:12:23.000 Why is it called DLC? Downloadable content, I believe, is what that sounds for.
01:12:27.000 Do you think that anyone would know what we were talking about right there?
01:12:29.000 I'm so used to...
01:12:31.000 Jamie would?
01:12:31.000 Jamie would.
01:12:32.000 But Jamie's a super nerd.
01:12:33.000 Yeah.
01:12:33.000 I'm so used to the gaming convention speak.
01:12:38.000 But yes, it's like an episode.
01:12:41.000 We made the movie and now we're going to release an HBO series of it.
01:12:45.000 Oh, okay.
01:12:46.000 So you'll have this game and then you'll have a bunch of other ones that are based off the same engine, same characters, different journeys, different things that'll come up?
01:12:56.000 Well, all centered around the Doom guy.
01:12:58.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:12:58.000 But yeah, basically the adventures of Doom guy.
01:13:01.000 And how long do you do that for before you move on to the next game?
01:13:04.000 It's hard to say.
01:13:05.000 You know, certainly we're always kind of dual tracking things and talking and, you know, always, you know, because you never know when the cool idea is going to come along and you're kind of jotting down notes.
01:13:16.000 I always have kind of my notepad out just thinking about stuff.
01:13:18.000 I mean, you never know when it's going to be something cool, you know, you're playing something or you see something or watch something.
01:13:25.000 And then we keep those conversations going on the side and see how it goes.
01:13:28.000 So is there any, do you guys like keep your eye open for like where VR is headed and things like that and go, well not yet, we're not ready for that yet, but one day down the road we'll have something like that?
01:13:41.000 Kind of a different, again, like, we're like, it's sort of like with cars.
01:13:47.000 I went to school for automotive design.
01:13:49.000 Oh really?
01:13:50.000 Yeah.
01:13:50.000 How'd you wind up in video games?
01:13:52.000 Just because I love video games, you know, the training in automotive design...
01:13:58.000 Have you ever been to Art Center?
01:13:59.000 No. 0.99
01:13:59.000 Dude, you should fucking go. 0.99
01:14:01.000 It's fucking awesome. 0.99
01:14:02.000 Where is it? 0.97
01:14:02.000 It's in Pasadena, and it's like the Harvard of design schools. 0.97
01:14:06.000 And they do cars there, and products, but the... 0.94
01:14:09.000 Yeah, the cars that they have on display, you know, the big clay models about that big, they're fucking amazing.
01:14:14.000 And really, really amazing place.
01:14:17.000 You know, the design process that you learn there, you can apply to kind of anything.
01:14:24.000 I wouldn't say anything, but a lot of things.
01:14:26.000 Certainly a video game, for sure.
01:14:28.000 Uh, cause it's just kind of, it's actually the questions you're asking, which is like, how do you start from nothing to something?
01:14:34.000 You know, like, uh, that involves large groups of people.
01:14:37.000 Uh, and you kind of learn that there.
01:14:39.000 Um, I forgot your original question, but, oh yeah, no, it's like, uh, you know, so I use a lot of car analogies at the office, uh, quite a bit.
01:14:47.000 And, and, um, It's kind of like we make a race car, and if VR is something else, that's like an SUV, that's like just another kind of car.
01:14:55.000 So we kind of perfected how to make race cars, and it's been doing it since the 90s.
01:15:00.000 So Doom Eternal is just another race car.
01:15:03.000 I understand what you're saying.
01:15:04.000 I'm just thinking that as augmented reality and then virtual reality become more and more...
01:15:11.000 Accessible to consumers.
01:15:12.000 I'm wondering, you know, like where video games are headed I'm wondering if you if you think that's where they're headed or if you think there's always gonna be a place for them on an actual video game I think an actual computer rather I think they'll always be a place for them in the actual video game.
01:15:25.000 I think the the that's where my focus is other people like Carmack Looking to see where well not anymore, but where video games we're gonna go next But I am fully focused on where they are now and how to make what they are now better Well listen man, 0.67
01:15:43.000 you guys did a fucking amazing job.
01:15:45.000 It looks really cool. 0.97
01:15:46.000 Thank you really fun And I'm sure people are gonna waste massive chunks of their life and get a tremendous amount of entertainment out of it.
01:15:53.000 I hope so Anything else to tell us?
01:15:56.000 We can go play now.
01:15:57.000 Oh, really?
01:15:58.000 Yeah.
01:15:59.000 Quake Champions?
01:16:00.000 Yeah.
01:16:00.000 Anything else?
01:16:01.000 I don't think so.
01:16:02.000 I don't know.
01:16:03.000 So it's out?
01:16:04.000 Oh, it's March 20th.
01:16:07.000 Yes.
01:16:08.000 Doom Eternal coming out March 20th.
01:16:10.000 So not long, folks.
01:16:11.000 Get your sweaty little hands ready and we'll be available for PC, Xbox, everywhere at the same time? 0.99
01:16:16.000 Yeah, all the platforms, everything, you know.
01:16:20.000 Absolutely.
01:16:20.000 Yeah.
01:16:21.000 All right.
01:16:21.000 Beautiful.
01:16:21.000 Full tilt.
01:16:22.000 All right, man.
01:16:23.000 Well, thanks for being here.
01:16:23.000 I appreciate you.
01:16:24.000 Thank you very much.
01:16:24.000 Thanks for doing what you do.
01:16:26.000 You've wasted a lot of people's time.
01:16:28.000 It's awesome.
01:16:28.000 Thank you.
01:16:29.000 Thank you very much.
01:16:30.000 Bye, everybody.